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America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
John Solomon Discusses China's Treaty Violations and the Wuhan Lab
"Is COVID origin secrets near the classification that in itself is exciting. Wuhan a lab's ties to China military burst into focus, talk to us about the latest things we need to know about our country, our government and the military biodefense lab in communist China, John. It's extraordinary. So no matter where we end up on whether the COVID-19 virus leaked from the lab or not, obviously the FBI energy department House intelligence committee Senate health committee all believe it did and growing other number of intelligence committees believe that. But here's the bigger question. No matter what happened with COVID-19, there is now irrefutable proof that the United States government has known since 2005 that China was violating its own treaties to not do offensive biological weapons they had an offensive biological weapons program. It was based in the Chinese People's Liberation Army at an entity called the academy of military medical sciences specifically the 5th institute. The State Department declared that in a document in 2005. Over the decade after they made that declaration, wide open evidence that the MMS that academy we just talked about was working with the Wuhan institute of virology, the place where we think the COVID-19 virus worked on. What were they working on? On Anthony Fauci's own site. On the NIH, you can find this. There was a study on anthrax. There was a study, a book, a book that said, coronaviruses as a class are going to be the leading edge of a new era of genetic warfare. That's the Chinese words, not mine. Those are the sort of things that were going on between scientists at the Wuhan institute of virology. And the academy of military medical sciences in China, the place that we said was the epicenter of an illicit bioweapons program, despite all that knowledge, despite all that evidence, no one in the intelligence committee, no one in the national Institutes of health. No one in the State Department stopped it. Millions of dollars flowed from U.S. agencies to the Wuhan institute of virology. And now we're hearing maybe also directly to the academy, the
AP News Radio
Study connects climate hazards to 58% of infectious diseases
"Hi Mike Gracia reporting a new study connects climate hazards to 58% of infectious diseases A new study says more than half of the known infectious diseases in people including malaria cholera and anthrax have worsened due to climate hazards such as flooding heat waves and drought In Monday's journal nature climate change researchers said they found 218 of the known 375 human infectious diseases seemed to be made worse by one of ten types of extreme weather connected to climate change The study says warming oceans and heat waves can taint seafood and other things we eat Droughts can bring bats carrying viral infections to people Downpours and flooding sick and people through disease carrying mosquitos rats and deer Additionally the study found 223 of 286 unique non infectious sicknesses such as asthma and allergies seemed to be worsened by climate hazards I'm Mike Gracia
Mark Levin
John O'Neill: Stalin Started Bioweapons Lab, Still Existent Today
"What the book does is it starts with the real way this came about is Stalin started with literary poisoning He started with secret poisoning using anthrax and he would target individual people and kill them And he thought this was such a great thing He started a huge bioweapons facility still in operation Today under food at saratov and the Soviet Union west of east of Moscow and another one in kattenburg and in the urals These both leaked just described in the book The one of you Chapman killed over a thousand people and they blamed it on tainted meat If that sounds familiar those bioweapons labs expanded into China And in the Putin period Putin has lighted them all off again So they're in full operation Of course as the book describes in 1977 China was involved in developing a vaccine to a flu that existed only in its own lab And that leaked and what worldwide I had the 1977 flu And it was pretty much what is very likely to have happened again in Wuhan China in 2019 You're a great lawyer I start off with the idea sort of rest it's a lot of which are the same speaks for itself When you have a terrible virus that exists nowhere at all in nature and it appears right on the doorstep of a bio war lab that counts for me for a lot And then the Chinese killed the Doctor Who actually discovered it after charging with revealing state secrets Destroyed all the records as a lawyer when I get a guide destroying all the records I understand that That means that the evidence they contain is still bad that even the fact of destruction is not as bad as what you've learned from them And so we cover the Wuhan lab in the book
The Hugh Hewitt Show: Highly Concentrated
Air Force Discharges 27 for Refusing COVID-19 Vaccine
"That. And I want to begin with the story from The Wall Street Journal this morning that the air force has just charged 27 active duty service members for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. What do you think of the policy? What do you think of their discharge status and what it should be? The NDAA says they will get honorable discharges, but that hasn't passed yet. For starters, when I joined the military hue, I had to take 9 different vaccines. When I prepared to deploy the desert storm, I had to take 11 anthrax shots. The culture settled law here is very clear. Active duty military because they are potential forward deployers. Have got to take these vaccines. So they have to be capable of doing that. You couple that with you're getting a direct order from your chain of command in my view, it is absolutely a requirement for every member of the armed forces to take this vaccine. It's the right thing to do. Not just for yourself, but for your shipmate to the left and right of you in that destroyer. You are protecting the force by doing this. So I take a pretty direct approach here. And I think the services will as well. Now having said all that, should there be some counseling, some leadership applied, should we give a little bit of time here? I think so. And I think where this will land you and we've seen this in other big organizations like the airlines or the medical world when people are given a date certain by which they have to get the vaccine or lose their job, IE get discharged in a military context. Tend to get 98%. And I think that's probably where we'll end up with military. Can we run the force on 98%? Yes. Don't like losing anybody who's a good performer, but if you can't do the basics and I look at this as doing the basics of your duty, I don't think you belong in the art forces, so I supported discharge. And frankly, I would support not an honorable discharge, but what's called an honorable under general conditions, which is one click lower to recognize the fact that you have disobeyed correct order and failed to accomplish duty.
KQED Radio
"anthrax" Discussed on KQED Radio
"Infection this time at NBC News in Rockefeller Plaza in D. C. Senator Tom Daschle's office was targeted. The U. S House of Representatives is closing offices today until Tuesday to Allow a complete sweep for traces of anthrax and others were exposed at post offices and through contaminated mail. The employees are just very scared. They don't know who might be next old. What might happen. Public health and bioterrorism expert Mike Osterholm became an advisor at the time to the health and human Services secretary. The challenge with anthrax is that it's so highly infectious people worried. This marked a new wave of terrorism, one that used deadly pathogens so that if someone were to release in the air Anthrax spores. You could literally in fact, hundreds of thousands of people, which just one attack, I do remember the the chaos. Ellen Girsky is an infectious disease epidemiologist who at the time had just started at Johns Hopkins Civilian Center for Biodefense. She says. People were freaked out by anything that was a white powder. Even the sugar on donuts. I remember vividly the laboratories overrun with people bringing in Dusty chairs because they were afraid the dust It's anthrax. Girsky says Emergency rooms were desperate for guidance on how to respond. And that fall of 2000 and 1 17 people fell ill and five died from the mysterious mailings. Years later, the FBI concluded that alone government scientist was likely behind the attacks. The suspect overdosed and died before he could be prosecuted. But the attacks were a wake up call, though we had been talking about biological warfare for decades. In actuality, it was something we were not prepared for. What happened. Next was a total transformation of biodefense and public health. I ask you tonight to add to our future security with a major research and production effort. To guard our people against bioterrorism. Called Project BioShield. President George W. Bush at his state of the Union address in 2003, the budget I send, you will propose almost $6 billion to quickly make available..
The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"The caller sean would probably like a book about your career. That's what he was asking about. That's what the other books were about or your life story. Would you like to do a book at some point about. Maybe you want to write about your love of the vikings wherever you want to write about. I've had many people ask me about it. I just someday maybe who knows all right so nothing imminent from joey. As far as books are concerned. And charlie's got a coloring book coming. So there's your there's your answer and look forward to frankie's book coming soon. We'll certainly do something with frank when the book comes out here on the show all right last person. We go to milwaukee right now and this. Is tom eggert joining us now. On the trunk nation virtual invasion with anthrax. Tom thank you. You are last but not least. Go ahead a fantastic. Hey thanks For put all this together guys spent a lot of fun. Been watching the youtube stuff to hear. Now learn a lot of stuff that i never before I've seen you guys live probably over a dozen times in the last only about thirty years. What are your favorite song to play live. Saudi you puts on in and out of the set list you know how. How does that process where it other than. Of course when he got a new album. And am i going to be able to hear you. Guys play armed and dangerous on friday or anytime soon because so be killer you know The the problem would put in a settling together. And i know the other guys feel exactly the same way i do is that we wanna play this. We wanna play that and then we'll take a poll from our fans of what songs and it's always the same songs but then you always get these people who are like. Wow how can meet overplay this all because sometimes you know when you're playing like a big festival it's hard to pull out a deep cut. Gotta play the songs that most people are familiar with so when we do our own show. I think that's what we're going to start picking and choosing throwing in an obscure song air. There aren't the data was a great song. So maybe we'll put that in. Maybe friday you gotta tune in to see. Yeah and favorite song. My favorite song to play live is caught in march. I mean to seem like you know. But i think someone could probably prove wrong but i'm pretty sure since nineteen eighty seven I don't think it's ever been out of the set lists. That might be a one song. That's that's never never been out of. The settlers has indians out of the settlers. Yes it has in the. But now i am the laws been out. Yeah yes yup. But i caught amash as always been been in it. Yeah i love playing that song be personally gets me so pumped up when i when it starts tranquil close out with this. We'll get one from you and joey and we'll wrap up. What's your favorite to play. Live say caught because there's nothing like starting that with the base and seeing the crowd reacted that it's insane. It's that's the lighting the fuse of the show. I see that's that's really when the show starts and then it's just it goes nuts after that so it's that you know. This is a lot of great songs that i love to play but that sparks it all the time. Joey what about you just plan everything. I don't care what kind of books do you want me to write up. Play anything. Joey easygoing man. There's no issue whatever you wanna do live in large eddie no problem. Everything's good you know tunes. A lot of songs are not as easy to play live to. That's that's the thing with some of the songs that people wanna hear. They're not easy to pull off some really great record tunes. They don't have that they're not that easy to just take to get across. You know what i mean and you gotta feel you know so. It's it's kind of a good thing. Sometimes not they really just air out a song which isn't gonna work you know but I love all the old tunes. Meduse has been a lot of us to saying because it's cool. It's wide open breathing. Lightnings awesome lately. Indians is awesome. I'm the law all that stuff. I got one question to wrap up from me. Spe- indians's come up a few times. Couple of callers came up. Joey just brought it up. If you watch the youtube series people who've watched it will know that i actually purchased the original headdress for joey that he wears in the indians video. My question to you guys. I don't know the answer to. Does anybody have any idea what happened to that original headdress. When did when did it see its final days and did it just get tossed or what happened to it. I don't. I have no idea where it ended up. Is this an invoice not paid for it. I just bought it. I go. I want it joe you have. It's still back. I had that for fun forever. i mean i had. I have probably about ten made over the years and a guy that makes them so so but the original original one that i bought the story of that is in the youtube series. So check it out if you want more on the history of the headdress. You're just gonna have to wait 'til. Joey ends up writing his book. That'll be joey's book the history of the indians headdresses and the guy who's made 'em anytime joe. All right. listen you guys. it's always fun. Anthrax live dot com go there and get your streaming tickets seven eastern or whatever time zone..
The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Was thrown at me out of nowhere but that together pretty quick so that was obviously the the ones i did the classics. There were awesome just as well. But i had fun. I buy one more. Wow i didn't. I didn't know that happened. That's kind of cool so you had to learn all those songs that all those sapid songs. Do song able fucking awesome. I did. I did five wish i was there. I wish i was there. I would love to play. you should have played. You could've played. Well charlie just like your own livestream. Sure it's archived and you can go get it right now. if you want. You can see what. Joey did exactly. So let's get someone. Let's get another Caller in here. This is sean. And this person sean. Blanket is apparently from johns creek. Georgia is that correct. Sean is correct and somebody was from georgia. Welcome thank you. Thank you thank you for doing this. Really awesome guys in anthrax. I discovered them back in eighty six eighty seven when i saw that indians video on. Mtv and i was like well this is not your glam metal rock and the fact that he scott we were all seeing kiss concert in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven at the garden when piper opened and that was life changing for myself. Who's turns into drink. We gotta kiss mentioned who for anti tell actually coins december sixteenth. Seventy seven for me. Scott what what was it for you. What day december fourteenth seldom. Before that. Though i saw them before that on the rock and roll over twenty two in february seventy seven at the nassau coliseum me to try to that was what was your first frank with charlie. I was with charlie whistle rock and roll over. That's crazy. It was my tokyo two times at the garden. Those shows that we were just talking about charlie. What show was it that. We're gene simmons through the towel and the girl. How's that show. We ever told you that. Joe know well gene. These look backstage ingenious. The they used to make up in the back including their makeup up. You know and towel off. So gene used to wipe off and wrapped the towel like into a not and throw it to fans in the back which we all wanted it so gene through it to this girl and john mccain over to her. Here's a guy yeah. He pushed his right in the face. Dude not through down and took the title away from her story man. It was insane. And i was like because i never told scott that was fucked up that he hit that girl but it was like you know nobody. Nobody got the joke. Here's pushing rate stories and actually stat. I read both of the above tonight. Growing up in queens also jewish man from long island relief. I know fry coming coming up over which are forward to reading and the question. Joey and charlie is must have great stories throughout the years would love to hear about missouri. Plans you all to run the. I have a coloring book coming out next year. Besides okay charlie. Would you like to do a book at some point when the band is over. That's when you can really dish on the do it now when you don't have to see them anymore. No and then you can tell the stories about other bands that you don't have to see anymore right true. What about would you like to joke book. You.
The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"It's tough between in the end. And w no but probably after lean towards the end. Frank in the end is is epic. It's fun to play that it'd be nice to when we do it. It's it's awesome. A susan suzerain on that record to ya. Ya now known as well. It is a lot of records. It happens I still in the end. It's just it's epic saw just loved that saul. Yeah and of course when you guys did that live many times would tribute to diamond. Do and drop those screams and just really really incredible moment. If people saw you guys do that live and just a quick question. I guess scott if you wanna take it whichever entertain playing the record in its entirety. That was his other question. Maybe italian anniversary or something twenty. Maybe you know we look. We did that with among and it was. It was great. But i don't know that we need to. I hear that's my answer. I i don't know let's get one more in before our next break. And this is jonathan cartwright and jonathan's joining us from johns creek georgia and he is next up on the trunk. Nation virtual invasion with anthrax again. The livestream anthrax live dot com to get your tickets. Jonathan thanks for joining us. You're on yeah actually from grand terrace california. Sorry from california fully of alleged. Maybe next time you go to gym gene and jude's get a hotdog for okay. You want fries on that. Oh yeah sure sure. Yeah i use berlin so i. That's our job there as funny I became a anthrax at age of thirteen and nine hundred. Eighty eight state of the fauria is my favorite album. Because that's what got me into you guys. And i guess scott and charlie a question would be for you l. dolls by favorite song by you guys. Can you tell me something Maybe wouldn't know about that song and the album. The cello was the key part to the to the melania of that song it was supposed to be haunting. And that's why the cello started that whole album boss but scott could tell you more about the extent. Be all end all on that note. We just lost god. He just disappeared. Yeah scott's like. I hate that song i don't want to talk about. Yeah alot there someone of that song i love. I love the orlando. He wanted to what what it's about. I i mean i. It's kind of the title at all. You know it's it's about it's about it's about doing your best. It's about not giving up and perseverance Be all end all. Just just do everything you can. If there's something out there that that you want we have next. Stop is jose and jose. I'm not sure where you're joining us from. Where are you exactly arado toronto. Welcome jose thanks for being here. And what's your question for anthrax first seeing shame on everybody. You haven't mentioned today's international rock date. I was not a wicked up. Everybody good that is that well. I that might not be the case on the day. This airing so happy. International dates everybody. Jose once your question. I loved your maiden share. I know where you're coming from. That's dot says. He knows nothing about that show. He has no idea what you're talking about. He said i know what you're talking about. Yeah so yeah you from toronto. Yeah and you kind of get a little bit just putting it out there. That's good man is a good thing. I watch forward to get your book soon. I ended her already so just brother. Thank you so. Am i actually being. You already weighed on these frank now. Why are you looking forward to mate. Angry it's again. I know that you're kind of done with that with the handshaking on stuff but are you. I know that's a big part of the i in in jail. I said that thing in that interview that time with his head shake. Because i talked to my doctor that day. He said he frank. Be careful the autoimmune thing. I have to be careful when you shake hands because you can get you can get sick like that blah blah blah. I'll still shake hands. Let's just put it out there. I'll shake hands. It's done all right. I say we should just start kissing shocking fan off coming out. I mean we can hug. Yeah kansas fine. I don't i don't care. Let's just live lewis play we need. Don't sing and i live with the handles fake hands you need to do you need to do like a howie mandel and do like a full body condom at this point. I think is probably the way to go but you gotta live. You gotta just go out there and do it. Thank you jose. you're appreciate your call or your zoom. Whatever your call whatever doing here. Robert is joining us. Robert grouper robert is from plantation florida. At least that's what my screen says. Is that actually where you are. Robert s. correct. That's daddy thanks a lot. Thanks welcome you're on with anthrax. Hey guys great talking to you looking forward to the fortieth anniversary vice human friday night just wanna to commend. Joey nettie for the ryan james co tribute concert this past weekend and was wondering. 'cause you guys talk about the influence a hat on the band was just a co host of it and i've been lucky enough to do a lot of cool stuff for the. Do cancer fund. It's always great to contribute to a great cause in the memory of ronnie who we all loved and joey you are a big part of it man. You did a ton of stuff in there was was awesome. The stuff you did. Thank you. Ronnie was influenced and all and he's awesome and great music in all nothing like being a part of something that's Dear to my heart and everybody involved you know the thing about ron is an and you guys can all attest to this. I'm sure is that he was not only an amazing singer. But as a person just as a human being just as a guy to to meet and see it's hard to believe he's been gone ten years because all of the music whether it was sabbath rainbow deal. All the stuff is still so out there. It feels like he's still with us so much. But joey i gotta tell you when i hosted that obviously that was put together in advance and when i hosted that like every other performance was here's joey bella donna doing. Here's bella donna. Doing so you really did a lot of performances for that. Was there one that you really enjoyed the most well. There's songs that i wasn't even planning doing. They're just throwing them out me. And i was taking them right there as i was doing a long live rock and roll and everyday lives so that was a that was a.
The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"I really enjoy your music and i'm just psyched to be here and really. My question is as of as the band is grown evolved over the years. How different is your sound today versus fortune pursuing or envisioning when you started out. That's probably a good one for scott. Since he started the whole thing back in eighty one so scott. Why don't you take that. Are you talking about specifically like like guitar tones or you mean the overall sound of the band. Well he's gone now. So i'm going to answer remains say he's probably he's probably referring to just the evolution of the band and the music from the beginning to now i would think and what did you wanna know. What's different the evolution. I guess if you if you envisioned the evolution of the sound when you first started being what it's evolved into. I mean no you know. I don't think certainly even when we were making fistful of metal. I don't think anyone was looking forward. Thirty five forty years. You know wondering what are we gonna sound like then i you know i i will say You know we've always done the best we can. In the time we've had to make records you know you you'd be out on a tour and you know like talking back in the eighties when you would know high while tour. Starting to wind up. We should probably start thinking about working on on new stuff. And you know we'd start writing come home and we'd spend a couple of months in new york working on stuff and get right back in the studio and you know we would do everything we could. In that time we had Based on the schedule just to do the best we can And then you'd see where you went you'd see how you evolved. When when a record was done you know. I mean if anyone else wants to the jump. In on during like a touring cycle. You're starting to bring in different things. Different moods different. Sounds so by the end of that. Touring cycling that one record first of all. You're playing those songs at such a. You're playing. I'm like an expert at this point. So by the time you get off the tour you're so pumped up to go and start to do something new that the things that you picked up and those eighteen months that's going into your next record so sometimes we've been accused of maybe being too ahead of things sometimes and usually everything has to catch up and i always felt that way with us like we. We were making music like for ourselves and for for the fans but a lot of times too we were ahead of and it just needed to catch up. But that's music. I guess we were evolving every year. We were moving on you know before we take the next caller. I want to bring in. Joey and frankie here because one of the things i love so much about anthrax is the fact that heavy is the band is. It's never at the expense of melody singing in great harmony and choruses and melody. And i know joey you is the lead singer and frank you doing a lot of backing vocals. That's something that's important to you. And that you work really hard on joey given your background being into so much melodic rock. I think that's really something. That i think i would think would be something that you really always pushing for right. Yeah i mean when you approach a tune. You're you're looking for a great sections to to really shine on and just take it to the highest elevation again. You know anonymous fires. Fires a key. But i'm just saying just to take. It have a great great magnitude to put the song to make it. Sound like really cool and catchy not to even be commercialized. Just to have good good hook you know. I love a good melody but at the same time. Just wanna singlet some great enthusiasm as much as i can with some great style. You know style and tone so for me. I think we have a great tool. Enjoy down his voice. So it's it's it's it's easier to write with that and knowing the range he has and it's just joys natural sound that comes out of his voice it's just it's a really nice pleasant sound and he put that together with our our band sound. The heaviness of that is anthrax. That's the that's what separates us from a lot. I think right there. That's that's what makes it sound different. That's what the Melodic thing comes. In and i look forward to that and having this really heavy music and getting. Joey's voice on top of that. Making the melody like just peak is voice can peak things. We utilize that a lot in this important all right. Let's bring in our next listener and viewer. If you're watching on the sirius. Xm app here. Is jeff hawkins. And jeff is from palm springs california and he is up next with joey charlie. Scott and frank from anthrax. Hey jeff welcome. Thanks for being here. Hey guys can you hear me. Hey thank you. Thank you for doing this. I'll be quick. Because i know you've heard the thing about the time. Allotment love spreading the disease and among the living. Sto much but we're all kings and and worship music are even better because you guys keep getting bigger. And i love a ban that i grew up with that only gets better now is definitely anthrax. So my question pertains to worship. And i think it is the greatest record you guys have ever made. And it's my favorite and it's also in my top twenty five albums of all time. So part is what is your favorite brack from worshiped. And is there any chance you will ever play that album. And i already live in the end for me in. The end is just a brilliant brilliant song. Joey says in the end charlie. What about you this song that we really glad. And it's called the giant. Which i think is really great song for some reason. We just kinda left on the record and we never you know. That's a song. I loved to play live. It's such a great song and of course earth on hell. That's that's my favorite song. Scott favorite from worship music..
The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Two quick things and we're going to get the audience involved. You guys have done bourbon. I understand and there's a new one coming out. Frankie wanna take that one well. We went up scott an i went upstate. The we'll how long ago was that scott. Last week last week we met scott up upstate in some good stuff man. ammunition tasting We got the one that was right. I think scott what are you. What are your thoughts on it and take it from because you know a lot more than i do. Oh yeah yeah. it's i think it's our fourth whiskey with florida. Yeah 'cause we did the first one than we did the to evil twin rise and so it's our forth collaboration with iraq. And yeah it's it's just been great you know we're whiskey fans so To get to work with hill rock and and Which is a product that we all love and you know we pick it not like we're just slapping our name on a bottle and they're putting it out there. We're actually kind of a part of the process and And we wanted. We wanted to have something to commemorate. What better way to commemorate forty than to be able to raise a glass and so yeah. We do have A bottle of their celera aged bourbon. coming soon and it's it's mighty fine was the way we we drink more than one glass. That was hammered. The other night and charlie. Why don't you jump in on mccoy comic book. Because there's a graphic novel that is out or coming out. What can you tell us about that. The graphic novels out it says e to comics approached us kind of in the beginning of the pandemic and josh bernstein. You know and brought out this idea about doing among the living a graphic novel taking each song title writing a story for each title and it was one of the greatest things ever and we just. We all got absorbed into that old thing so we reached out to writers like rob zombie girardi. Mikey wave from my chemical romance corey taylor and they all agreed to do it. And it just started to come together in such a great way and Scott wrote that. I am the law. I did the cover for the i. Am the law comic. Frankie wrote a story. Joey the whole forward so it was a complete group effort and When i when. I read things online about it. Now that people who got that day there are so happy with it so that makes me completely happy. It came out great. Cool all right. Let's do a break. Let's come back with more with frank. Bello scott ian charlie banana. tj bella. donna of anthrax. They are celebrating their fortieth anniversary. I just gave you a few of the things that are happening in celebration of the anniversary. The youtube series the livestream on friday again anthrax live dot com comic book fourth bourbon. Coming out live shows starting up again a lot going on forty years into their remarkable career that continues and of course some of the best anthrax albums are among the last to in my opinion so the band just keeps haman long and getting stronger even after forty years. Pretty amazing. we'll be right back with more with the members of anthrax on this week's trunk podcast. Let's get back to more with anthrax on this week's trunk podcast again. Be sure to get their livestream. You'd not anthrax live dot com for more information about that. The band is going to be doing an extended set some songs. They have not done live in a very long time or ever real quick before we get the callers. I just thought about that. Is there any song that you're doing a livestream that you've never played live in your career. Play ever play protest survive long now. I don't think so. I don't know. I thought we did but i could be wrong. We just four. It's been forty years so be like new. Alright let's get our first listener. Viewer joining us right now. He's joining us from roslyn. Pennsylvania it is philip. Gammon philip welcome. How are you guys on how you doing. Good philip As eddie mention your last two studio albums worship music and for all kings were extremely strong In addition to joey coming back to the band What do you see some additional reasons behind this. You want scott well you know. I just think it's a case of getting better at what we do You know i'd like to sink as time goes on the more wreckage. Make the better we get it making records writing songs knowing what we want to hear on record maintaining focus and all of that I just. I just think we've gotten better at at being anthrax. It really shows on worship music and for all kings and philip. You got a second question. Yes nineteen ninety-one you've participated in the us leg of the clash of the titans with slayer get asked nelson chains. Would you share a memorable story from that tour. Probably a bunch. Frank you want to take that might favor favorite story on that still fish story with slayer was it the last show. It's more guys. Yeah my farda. But that was miami where it was the last job tour and we wanted to do something to slayer. Because they're our friends we like the left so during what song was it remember. What was a gotta. You gotta kinda go. Before that we'll take take slayer don't smile on stage. They're very you know they're metal. That's it and so we were going to try and get them to crack to smile and laugh and so the rigor we we got this huge fish at its snugs bad and he flew all the way up into the trust and when they were going to start angel at death the fish was going to lower down but it was stopped right in front of top. They're mad tom. Thomas had awesome. It was the best great about it. Came down really slow eddie. During the whole beginning it came down really slow. It really went well and then. Tom had no choice is at his microphone. It was the best net. You know app was awesome by extortion spinal tap except for fish. Joe favorite memory from tour. Love the one day day staying. And he just. I don't know it's just funny. Why today The the friction between sometimes you get out of the hallway and dame we're gonna be all right. We're not going to hurt anybody. You guys come down the hall..
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"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"I think the takeaway for me and i hope for everybody whether it's people Us guys in the band that people watching it at home is that it really does show that the band that the idea that anthrax is is bigger than some of its parts. It's that's really. That's that's been my take away from this whole thing is that it's really. It's the band. It's the name anthrax in the band that really just is no pun. Intended is is the be all end. All you know There's great stuff in there their stuff on on their about records that maybe flew under the radar. The married with children stuff. That's in there. I mean everything the stuff with public enemy on the man. It's just an incredible incredible story. It's really well done. I encourage everybody. Go check it out all right. Speaking of going checking out something online the anthrax stream. Now we just came out of streaming mania for the last year and a half. You guys have jumped in with a live concert. That is a that is premiering on friday. It's coming up this week right. Yeah so charlie you want to take this one. Tell everybody what they're about to see him. Go around the horn and get some thoughts on this show. You're about to perform a livestream. Because i hear you're going to be doing some stuff you haven't done in a while. It's going to be an extended set. What can you tell the audience about where we're where playing songs that we haven't played in years. I mean that's what that's what we're intending on doing but You know we play off. I show on the fifteenth. This coming thursday. And i'm totally psyched about that. So it's going to be like going into that show and then we're going to do our livestream. It's gonna be supercharged. Yeah there's gonna be songs from fisk role spreading among state persistence. I mean it just runs the gamut of all different songs that we haven't played time. Scott gimme one that you're looking forward to playing the most that you haven't played in a long time. I want to get one from everybody. Go ahead what's yours. Keep it in the family mine. Frankie got a different one when we haven't played in a long time. Well yeah give it. Give some nuggets are people aftershock. Joey lone justice you're going do lone justice navy long way i could have heard that man. I can't wait to buy. It's here that that'd be amazing to hear that you guys do that again. Can you still say. Can you still sing that. Joey that that's up there could still sing it now. We do everything in the right key. Adding muscle ratio charlie. What about you the decision to do a livestream now. And what are you looking forward to playing. Evan played in a while Two songs. I love the song now. It's dark and we haven't played in that in a long long time and then when digging one up from the killer. Bees protested survived. That's and then from here. You mentioned live show. So you know you're going to play in the night before in at rock fest and wisconsin does does. This starts now essentially a fortieth anniversary tour. You're going to be going out for a while now and a bunch of dates coming up. Well that's the start of it and then finishes in november in daytona. So from now till then we're going to be doing sturgis. We're going to be playing in loud life all aftershock all those big festivals and some radio show is too so we're super stoked about that. You think you're back on rockall home to write your back on rachael homa to right. Yeah yeah. I think that's september fourth and we have a i think. September second is a headline show. Because it's mostly one offs. We're not going out like for five months. But in just like charlie was saying festivals. But i know we're doing a headliner in corpus christi. I think is like september second and we've got a fill anselm oh and the illegals opening for us there. I'm i'm really looking forward to that. Show i hope struggle home every year. If you guys remember the last time you played it we were on your bus and the bus was shaking the wind and the rain coming in. That was just a better weather this this labor day weekend when you play it all right to other quick things and we should tell people to get the stream go to anthrax. Live dot com. That's where you want to go to order the stream. Bundles tickets the whole thing. And then and then check your time zone to because obviously depending upon where you know what time zone you're in its seven eastern right. Yeah well it's also it's going to be up for a week like it's going to be available to watch and buy tickets so like you know. We know a lot of people are going to be at rock fest over the weekend but they can watch it on monday or tuesday or wednesday or thursday. You know what i mean. So it's going to be up for a week. Okay so it's archives so you can watch it live at seven eastern or whatever. The time conversion is and if that doesn't work for you and you buy the stream you can watch it at your convenience again. Get all the information. Get your tickets bundles. Merch anthrax live dot com easy enough for the web address..
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"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Johnny z for me when johnny z. Said i think it was whatever the one of the first episodes johnny gonzaga's anthrax. You're a pain in my ass. And i said to jack bennett. I said i want every episode just to start with that. That has to start every single episode. 'cause he's speaking the truth. We were a massive pain in his ass But it's it's been I'm really happy with it. And i think the plan is to actually cut a long form version of the whole thing and then figure out a way to to put that out there. Yeah i think that'd be great if it was if it was just a full film at some point of the whole thing in one chunk. Because it's i love watching it like this. So it's it's kind of almost the way people put music these days where you spoonfeed some songs for a bit and then eventually you give them the full record with everything on it but for people watch that. It's it's incredible. And frankie when you watch the that i mean it i would imagine because i don't know knowing you guys like i said almost the entire time me watching it. It freaks me out. Because i'm like i can't believe that all of this happened. I still feel like we're all just kids. Still you know at lamar's or wherever we're at and then when you watch something like that and it puts it chronologically in perspective of all the things you've done it blows your mind at the amount of time. That's gone by all the experiences. I think you know it's funny talking a person to person like you eddie. Because you've been there. You've been there from the very beginning. When i was in the band so the way i look at it It it went like this. You know it. It's forty years. I still don't feel like it's been forty years where hungrier now than ever. I think the ban as a whole When i see some of these interviews. I learn things perspective. Not only not only people in people that were nice enough to do it. Their perspective but the band's perspective watching the band talk about that time in their lives and getting their vibe on it. I have mine jolly scott joey they will have. There's it's interesting for me just as a band member. But as a fancy god. That's i didn't even know he felt like that. And it really hits home to me so It brings back a lot of great memories and it also makes me realize how lucky we are to have this ride really to be honest and we've had a great ride and it's come to this and to know that something's next something we have something very special plan next new record new tour the whole thing. So it's cool to get on that ride then joey. How was it for you watching the watching it so far. Have you enjoyed it. If there's been moments in it that have been of interest to you. It's great to live back and see what we did now. we got there obviously. There's a hole on there that i was gone. And you have to kind of listen to all that you know how much they loved it and how great it was and this and that. And they're like all okay then you're back and it's like you kinda just have to kind of let it ride you know. Just do your thing now worry about it but it is a bit strange senate but at the same time. I know what we're doing here. And i feel good abou will How we do it and what we have accomplished and good. We are at this point. So i guess i just have to kind of let that stuff slide. You know charlie for you on the one last thing on the dock and we're going to talk about the stream and a couple of other things and we'll get our callers on. But the thing that i loved so much about this documentary and again it's continuing. There's a few more episodes left and it's totally free. Everybody can just watch it on. Youtube is the fact that you guys made the decision to cover everything and talk to everybody. Whether it's casiano. Or paul crook or or neil turbin or milk or bush or anybody people behind the scenes and then there's the the people that are fans of the ban whether ten rollins or ken reeves and all these people that come in and out of the story. I thought it was great that you guys went that route instead of it. Just being you and scott telling the story you scott and franken joey or whatever the fact that you opened it up to everybody and wanted all those perspectives. I think is one of the things that makes it so great absolutely because if we did it then it would just be. Oh these guys telling their story but if the other guys telling the story then it backs up the stories that we've been telling in the past so that to me was the important part about it you cut to kneel turban and it's like wow it's meals on their 'cause for me seeing meal like wow that's awesome you know like i was plotting it like let's hear it you know and having loker on there and then as it just goes on its did it. You know it was it was really important. I think it shows that there's still this camaraderie. Even if they're not in the band is still part of this family that we started in eighty one. you know. yeah. I forgot to mention danny. But haven't danny was huge. It was great seeing him. I hadn't seen or heard from danny a long time. So obviously such a big part of everything.
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"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Joey what you remember. What were your first impression to the ban. That already had a record out. Obviously they had been around a little bit. When you and i know you and and very well in the music that you love i imagine it was pretty jarring when you heard the music an anthrax is making and trying to figure out why the right guy to sing this. I crossed my mind. But you know. I didn't even think about the label tight stuff. I thought that they you know they're in the mode of making a record and stuff and and they seem to have everything going there away. The music sounded pretty. Great you know to me and it was heavier than than what i heard but not not that far away right. I didn't think i could adapt to it so i i was feeling good about that. They had great gear. They sounded sound really good. There are still saying the right gun sing off. He said he's the right guy to sing. This yeah i remember i remember. Joey came in. And he's like this doesn't sound like poco and then he stayed anyway in your the coffee. So he's in. He was in staying in madison wisconsin. Anything when you get there. He's just got to see a gun. You got to see it through. You know that was that was the key is just a make. Make sure that everybody was on on the same wavelength joey. What was the first one you sang with the bed. Do you remember. Probably oh sherrie really. I don't remember anything of their music. I i think guan and like warm up you know. Let's get up dude when you did warm up. Yeah when you went into booth to actually warm up your first thing that you actually did on. The mike was sure they and it sounded like awesome. It really did that. I on topic. Douse gives at that point. I don't know you know. And then we think are dangerous really was white one of my first cuts. I think i'm correct. I thought i thought the first one of the songs you you sang with medusa rhetoric out. Because i don. I feel like i remember. Didn't we right in the words that get written when jazz later on right. Yeah if you ask johnny. He wrote the lyrics to that. And i was like that was out like at the sundance or something in the short run in early. Eighty five or something like that anyway so way so when we did that. Short run was arm. Dangerous coming out. It just came out. Because i think florida i i looked this up. Yeah when when for one of my interviews for the docu series. I actually looked it up and armed and dangerous came out like right when we did. That short northeast run so like yes essentially. We were supporting that. That's why i think that's one of the first songs i did. I'm sure it was sloan. Get going and just seemed like. I even have the cassette of that that take. What was the other one was raised. Hell was on Raise hell and then mao thrashing mad metal cash panicked. Save the queen out i. Well i've said many many times that joey's voice and hearing joey's voice singing over the music guys were making my gateway into that world of metal because that was joe you're the x factor for me man here and somebody sing like that was unprecedented in that kind of music and it's it's still is to a large degree. There's so much new metal that i would love so much more. If they're singing versus screaming. I mean that's just my personal taste. Your voice is still amazing. I don't know how you've done it all these decades. But it's still incredible. Anybody that has seen anthrax play knows that you truly incredible that you can still do it. Do you still feel good doing it or are you still confident going up there doing if you lost anything as forty years have gone by now. I just The same. I just i feel like i know it all much better. I feel Much more comfortable just doing it. It's it's a lot easier. I don't think about it at all. We're so lucky that you know there's a handful of dudes out there that you know some of them doing it even longer than we have. I think everyone who. I'm gonna mention but we're so lucky because we've got a guy who much like robin zander or bruce dickinson or glenn hughes or rob alford. Yeah i mean you know guys that have been doing it even longer than us. who still they just. it's insane. how good they are. And we're in that same boat with joey like we're so lucky to have that. I wanna talk to you mentioned sometimes with with joey. It's like i feel the same way a lot of us to once we get out there and we kind of almost testify then it becomes. You're on autopilot. You know. And it's like i don't even think joey pushes it. I think it's just natural just comes out. It's amazing scott. You mentioned the docu series. I want to bring that up because it's awesome and for people listening or watching if you have not checked it out yet go to youtube. I'm caught up the latest episode. That's up now. I think is through worship music but it chronicles. There is an anthrax forty documentary on youtube. That chronicles from from eighty-one right through. I'm assuming it's going right till now but it's it's fantastic. You literally talk to everybody. That's been included in the band or the band's history talk about that coming together. We'll start with you. Scott well you know because kovin. We knew we weren't going to be able to actually go out and do a fortieth anniversary run around the actual anniversary which of course would have great to be able to do so at some point last year's sitting around and quarantine that the idea came up to well. What if we were able to do like some type of docu series. Like this where you know kind of the oral history of the bands. And that's you know. We contacted jack bennett who've done a bunch of work with before he's directed videos for us and He's doing livestream with us. And and we just we kind of put it together and we way out in front of it because we knew it was gonna be a shit ton of work and still is because this is still an episode or two to go but yeah. I think it's been great and It's just so great reliving so much of it and telling stories and bring make so many other memories come back and seeing other people pop up. You know other whether it's guys that were in the band or You know friends of ours from other bands and hearing what they have to say. You know you included.
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"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Man it really was. I'm still friends. With danny and then Audition gotten the ban and there was revealed the road ever since it feels like jelly. Wasn't that like The spring of eighty four. We were on tour. It was because i had to graduate early to get out of school early just to come on tour with gotten the band. I still wasn't finished school. Double up on my credits to get out of high school to go on a college of anthrax. That's what happened and it worked like a giant didn't johnny z. Right now to your financial. Franklin's will leave early. he's got to go on the way frank going to anthrax and smell event for three weeks. That smells like the whole times. It's good cash baby. Come out frank. Do you remember your first show. Moore's it's on tape. I know somebody said that to me. The other day on youtube. I show is on on youtube. The more show is insane. I look guido. It was awesome now. Not unlike right now. It's different than everybody. Everybody in lamar's guido so it didn't matter i was at home. They're so it all worked. I'm going back right now. See i'm celebrating. I cut my hand to celebrate. Look i had it all. Works goes down going back. I'm over here now. Let's get joey involved here. Joe you came in around the same time as frank or a little after right. Eighty five drought from where seems it was eighty. It was actually eighty four late. Eighty five no. No we we were doing shows armed. Dangerous came out in spring of eighty. Four so i came in any so i came and visited. Eighty four okay. I'll take care.
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"anthrax" Discussed on The Eddie Trunk Podcast
"Xm app if you're listening to the podcast and then and you're in the us or canada. You're getting a tiny fraction of what i do on a five day a week. Basis on volume on sirius. Xm so please come on board. And every once in a while i do these virtual invasions where i put a bunch of artists together or full group together. We have some listeners. Call in and ask some questions or zoom in this case and has some questions. This is all out also captured on video. So if you are a sirius. Xm subscriber you can go to the sirius xm app and see the interview. You're about to hear. And it was a lot of fund the anthrax guys. I have huge history with we go way way back. They did a fantastic series on youtube where they celebrated their fortieth anniversary. They did a great livestream which we talk about in this interview which has since aired which was really really good and they're celebrating their fortieth. I think a little early given that the first record really didn't come out to what eighty three eighty four but we see a lot of bands getting a jump on that and using it as a marketing angle anthrax also wants them upcoming events including rock la homa which i am hosting coming up on labor day weekend so looking forward to sharing this with you. Here on the podcast. The latest virtual invasion a an almost hour long interview with four members of anthrax. Joey bella donna. Charlie ben anti scotty and frank bello the only person you do not hear included in this. That's currently in. The band is guitarist. John donets he obviously was not part of the history which a lot of this conversation was about but great guy great player as well but that is why he wasn't included in this Thank you. I hope you enjoy it at eddie trunk twitter and instagram. Please be sure to follow facebook. Fan page any trunk. Dot com is the official online home. My appearances on the homepage as well without further. Do let's get to it. Anthrax on this week's podcast enjoy. Thank you for tuning in as we spend an hour talking to a truly truly legendary band in the world of rock and metal and some guys that are celebrating a fortieth anniversary remarkably and i can honestly say for almost all of those forty years. I have known them and they've all been friends and we have experiences and stuff between us and bellows already acting up and getting me off before we even got started. I said one thing why affected you like that. Had no idea along. I am joined by four fifths of the current lineup of anthrax. We will go around the horn. It's like the brady bunch if you're watching on zoom we're gonna go to my starting to my right going clockwise anthrax lead singer. Joey bella donna. Joey how are you yeah. That's all you got. Joe has gone. You don't have to lean in. Joey unlikely in frankie's doing i cause i can't continuing on the bottom of joey down below there. Is charlie bonetti charlie. Good to see you good to see you. Ed how's vegas. Yeah good all right. Let's go it's dinnertime. Everybody's got somewhere to be. And then of course in his car is scott. Ian scott good to see where you out exactly. Why won't take zach. Well malibu bluffs skate park actually in malibu. My son is right over there in the skate park. And i'm being a good data. And i'm sitting in the car doing an interview with you. All right all right then with the killer glasses on. Just look in marvelous over here frank. Bello what's what those glasses. I can't i can't see so good. I'm gonna make your boxes like this. I'm not saying you're box. The blocks looks like small and his stupid thing. But i'll get over you betty. Have you like to go. it's okay. I have so much more to give you that. That's private of forget it. I got good still. I know you see when you got your own stuff to promote you. Don't wanna go off the rails too much because you need the time to promote your own stuff but when you don't go off the other stuff i don't care about that stuff i'm gonna give you all right so anyway. Forty years of anthrax is crazy. Now i was thinking about this. And i talked to you about this charlie. Some bands mark the beginning of when they started from the year that their first record came out where allies think a lot of fans. See it that way. Others mark their anniversary from when they first met. And i had the idea for the band. Why now did you feel was the right time to celebrate forty years of anthrax. We'll start with you charlie. Well i think scott wanted to based on when he started back in high school so i agreed to it but then in three years from now. We're going to do when i got into bed. And when i first album came out that'll be the next forty years that we could celebrate. So that's going to go in that order. Check out scott. Was it for you for you. Eighty one what happened in eighty one. Where would you wanted to market as forty years now. it was actually the first time i ever called anthrax. It was me. Danny loker three other guys Who jammed that night at a rehearsal. Place in flushing queens. And danny and i had been talking about for months and months at that point talking about starting a band together. He was in another band. His band broke up and we knew we were going to have a band together and we wanted to call anthrax. That was the plan and that night. July eighteenth nineteen eighty. One was the night that we jammed and we felt like it just felt great. It sounded good and we all had fun out of the rehearsal ended in that we just it was just said. Well this is it. This is anthrax. We are anthrax. When you say you jammed on that day with danny and the band was formed forty years ago. Obviously with different guys at that time. But what did you jam on. I imagine it was covers right. We played kiss alive from start to finish. I believe that actually actually going to take a shot. You said short fun to play a drink whenever somebody mentions cancer. We'd be drunk within an hour but 'cause he's driving. Well i mean you know. I'd be hard pressed to remember most of it but for sure i mean by that point. July eighty one. We were already. We were playing priest. Covers in covers motor covers sabbath. Covers all that kind of stuff. Frankly for you. You came in a few years earlier years later rather but you were involved in talk about your entrance into the band. What year was that exactly. Is it Eighty three eighty four. I was really attack Really bad technician rhody got kinda got hung out with the guys pretty much and And then when i heard there was a base opening. I auditioned douglas as easy as that..
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"The change of this demographic wants this. It's tough it's right when when we were doing the among the living show a couple of years ago where we were playing the whole record. We quickly realized first of all kind of thing. Charlie who said we can't play it in sequence order. it's not working. Because that record the sequence of that record it goes what among caught I am the law like nfl skeleton. It's like six in a row of big big anthrax songs and then it goes to like one world which we hardly hardly alone. Yeah we hardly ever did that. Song live and then horror of it all and then imitation of life so after indians it would literally go from here and then crickets rate for the last three songs like it's like people never heard those songs like literally like we were playing new songs and so we changed. We changed the order so we weren't like sliding down a slope for the last fifteen minutes of the set. And that just really shows you to like people would go nuts for those first six songs and then they get the something that they weren't as familiar with and literally the fucking energy. You very. Strange when metallica the black album and this entire they started from the last song and went all the way back to enter sandman right. Same reason the livestream where. We are playing different song. When i was being sarcastic. Yeah we'll play a song off a fistful too. You know so looking forward to it last question for you guys. What's your i. Guess not to sound to oprah but what kind of like your last thought about the last forty years of anthrax. You're overall feeling of this huge part of your life. And what's your favorite anthrax record. That's not among the living. You want to start charlie. While i mean the obvious thing. The first thing that comes to my mind is kind of like family. Like everybody's kind of like family i see. I see these guys. More than i saw my family. You know. during the years during our adult life we spent pretty much allotted time together. So if i don't see them in a long time and then when i see them it's kind of like oh is what i've been doing it. And we all start kind of talking enemies start laughing and then and then and then that finishes with back i see it. We gotta go no. But no. But it's like i think that a lot and i i actually think about spreading disease more because that was the record where i think. We came that dan in. Oh geico says you're next. Joey your thoughts. I guess it's just the overall just being a musician and bnl to stick with it and be always on the on the upper end up you know. Just do you need to do and be be a good good band guy. You know whatever it is you gotta do and just take it in knowledge. Success that we've had. And i'm really happy about that. Makes you feel good about what you've cheesed again us. Same thing with charlie spreading. Because we're all happened for me where everything discount plugged in there. We went you know. And it was not frankie. It's crazy or forty years in. You say he's album is our molex scrapbooks of your life if you look at them the way they are and you remember the times touring great time recording all that stuff all the whole ride. I called i. I enjoy the ride and the right funding up. You go to records. I like doing now for all kings. So i leave it there for me. It makes a lot of sense where we're on right now and see what we're up to next to always going i like the mystique that anthrax us. You don't know where we're going. I love that about the energy energy that we have. You don't know what we're gonna come up with you know. It's going to be quality but i'm excited. I don't use the band member but a fan gets really important. Scott i was fixing the light and here because it was make a still is giving me like these crazy. Looks like these angry eyebrows. You just some good makeup bela lugosi. What was that. What was the first part of the question. Just what's your kind of your overall thoughts about anthrax. Forty years later mr mckenzie. I'm just looking at his eyebrows down. It's crazy i do my god. I love the fact that we've been able to do whatever we've wanted to do. Always it's it's just always been our band. It's just we've done it our way in a lot of ways. It's it just really plays to my kind of blue collar work ethic of getting up in the morning and go to work. It's not something that i've ever had a problem. And i love the fact that this has been what i've gotten to do for all these years all these decades like this is what i get to do and you know the the joy i think. That's even. I saw like something that i'm constantly thinking about or you know ruminating on. I know how happy this has made me in my life because you know i'm generally a very happy person. I think that has to do the fact that this is what i've gotten to do all these years and it's all i ever wanted to do and i say that keeps you young. So fingers crossed favorite album. That's not against the among the living. It's tough my gut instantly was worship music but Then i started thinking about persistence new. And there's something about that record. I revisited it not that long ago and was like really listening to it for the first time in a long time and yemen. There's fucking great songs on that record. Like really heavy and i i. I don't even remember writing some of those lyrics. Like wow. I wrote that now you know. That's pretty cool and it would be one of those two. i guess. Persistence our worship. Well it's great to to do this. And you guys. Congratulations on forty years. Have been huge. Anthrax fan winnipeg was always a big city even more than the other. Two big fours besides metallica so to be sitting here with you guys is is very cool for me as a fan and as a friend as well and as a peer because we did so kufstein resolve. Kufstein was jimmy. There's the bhuto khan and there's the garden and there's kufstein so we will always have that. We are huge. Thank you guys that. Look forward to seeing on the road somewhere soon. You too thanks guys. Thanks kris jenner bus any day fuzzy memory got stuck with your toothbrush did yeah. We were stuck. We had a little bit of an accident. I got stuck with you guys in denmark. Toothbrush scott was there. That's when andreas kisser showed a set to make a bond with an apple. I had to bring up to funny and don't forget and this includes you gyco. Check out the anthrax forty live streaming event this friday july sixteenth at seven pm eastern tickets and the show are available anthrax. Live dot com..
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"The change of this demographic wants this. It's tough it's right when when we were doing the among the living show a couple of years ago where we were playing the whole record. We quickly realized first of all kind of thing. Charlie who said we can't play it in sequence order. it's not working. Because that record the sequence of that record it goes what among caught I am the law like nfl skeleton. It's like six in a row of big big anthrax songs and then it goes to like one world which we hardly hardly alone. Yeah we hardly ever did that. Song live and then horror of it all and then imitation a life so after indians it would literally go from here and then crickets rate for the last three songs like it's like people never heard those three songs like literally like we were playing new songs and so we changed. We changed the order so we weren't like sliding down a slope for the last fifteen minutes of the set. And that just really shows you to like people would go nuts for those first six songs and then they get the something that they weren't as familiar with and literally the fucking energy. You very strange. When metallica the black album and this entire they started from the last song and went all the way back to enter sandman right. Same reason the livestream where we are playing different song. When i was being sarcastic yeah. We'll play a song off a fistful to you. Know so looking forward to it last question for you guys. What's your i. Guess not to sound to oprah but what kind of like your last thought about the last forty years of anthrax. You're overall feeling of this huge part of your life. And what's your favorite anthrax record. That's not among the living. You want to start charlie. Well i mean the obvious thing. The first thing that comes to my mind is kind of like family. Like everybody's kind of like family i see. I see these guys. More than i saw my family. You know. during the years during our adult life we spent pretty much allotted time together. So if i don't see them in a long time and then when i see them it's kind of like oh is what i've been doing it. And we all start kind of talking enemies start laughing and then and then and then that finishes with backed i see it. We gotta go no. But no. But it's like i think that a lot and i i actually think about spreading disease more because that was the record where i think. We came that dan in. Oh geico says you're next. Joey your thoughts. I guess it's just the overall just being a musician and bnl does stick with it and be always on the on the upper end up you know. Just do you need to do and be be a good good band guy. You know whatever it is you gotta do and just take it in knowledge. Success that we've had. And i'm really happy about that. Makes you feel good about what you've cheesed again us. Same thing with charlie spreading. Because we're all happened for me where everything discount plugged in there. We went you know. And it was not frankie. It's crazy or forty years in. You say he's album is our molex scrapbooks of your life if you look at them the way they are and you remember the times touring great time recording all that stuff all the whole ride. I called i. I enjoy the ride and the right funding up. You go to records. I like doing now for all kings. So i leave it there for me. It makes a lot of sense where we're on right now and see what we're up to next to always going i like the mystique that anthrax ask. You don't know where we're going. I love that about the energy energy that we have. You don't know what we're gonna come up with you know. It's going to be quality but i'm excited. I don't use the band member but a fan gets really important. Scott i was fixing the light and here because it was make a still is giving me like these crazy. Looks like these angry eyebrows. You just some new pickup bela lugosi. What was that. What was the first part of the question. Just what's your kind of your overall thoughts about anthrax. Forty years later mr mckenzie. I'm just looking at his eyebrows. Down crazy i do my god. I love the fact that we've been able to do whatever we've wanted to do. Always it's it's just always been our band. It's just we've done it our way in a lot of ways. It's it just really plays to my kind of blue collar work ethic of getting up in the morning and go to work. It's not something that i've ever had a problem. And i love the fact that this has been what i've gotten to do for all these years all these decades like this is what i get to do and you know the the joy i think. That's even. I saw like something that i'm constantly thinking about or you know ruminating on. I know how happy this has made me in my life because you know i'm generally a very happy person. I think that has to do the fact that this is what i've gotten to do all these years and it's all i ever wanted to do and i say that keeps you young. So fingers crossed favorite album. That's not against the among the living. It's tough gut instantly was worship music but Then i started thinking about persistence new. And there's something about that record. I revisited it not that long ago and was like really listening to it for the first time in a long time and yemen. There's buck great songs on that record. Like really heavy and I i don't even remember writing some of those lyrics. Like wow. I wrote that now. You know that's pretty cool and it would be one of those two. i guess. Persistence our worship. Well it's great to to do this. And you guys. Congratulations on forty years. Have been huge. Anthrax fan winnipeg was always a big city even more than the other. Two big fours besides metallica so to be sitting here with you guys is is very cool for me as a fan and as a friend as well and as a peer because we did so kufstein resolve kufstein. Which was jimmy. There's the bhuto khan and there's the garden and there's kufstein so we will always have that. We are huge. Thank you guys that. Look forward to seeing on the road somewhere soon. You too thanks guys. Thanks kris jenner bus any day fuzzy memory got stuck with your toothbrush. We were stuck. We had a little bit of an accident. I got stuck with you guys in denmark Scott was there. That's when andreas kisser showed a set of make a bond with an apple. I had to bring up to funny and don't forget and this includes you gyco. Check out the anthrax forty live streaming event this friday july sixteenth at seven pm eastern tickets and the show are available anthrax. Live dot com..
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Twinkie. Another private show one of the best moments from anthrax. You guys mentioned your smile. You have great personalities. I just saw it a couple of weeks. Ago is your is your appearance on married with children. Which is legit funny. It's not one of these stunt castings where the guys are kind of like you know like rain. Gretzky on live recant. Act and it's very stone delivery. It's really funny. Once again one of the classic moments and anthrax career. Yeah gets talked about all the time. I can't breathe almost talk about it. Yeah i think about that. Week i mean. That's one of those things that i think about it a lot. You know like it'll just 'cause you know married with children pops up o'neill or i katie. Gal i just heard her on on something. And you know you see christina applegate at you see these people so that boom the memory comes back and it was and it's a great memory was unbelievable. Week just unbelievable. The story about is originally we were pitched for the simpsons and the simpsons had already had their seasons all done the season all done so it got passed around in produces america. Children wrote this episode around us. And that's how it happened. And i'll never forget the first day we're at the table read and we're all sitting there in like what the fuck you know like. All these people are sitting around us from the show. It was crazy and we took a break and went outside and as tony danza. Just right there you remember that. Yeah who's the boss. Right next door. It was so surreal man that was shot and it was great. Just hear other table read just watching like do as lines with katie and going over stuff and the last right there with didn't work out so much fun that just like kids in a candy store. Guess awesome great here. We were all fans of that. Show you know so. And we had met them before we got to play in one of those kabc softball game or a tjmartell.org grind marcel. So we admit them in but you know a hang out with them but yeah suddenly. You're in their bubble like in their world. And i got it. I was super nervous. You're sitting there at the table. And i'm like see like oh my god my lines coming up you know i just want you wanna do a good job. You don't wanna hold people up but everyone was so nice it's use the lines on to allot yet set in your way right. Y'all would pull you aside. Like i remember one time. He pulled me aside and he said you know what say it like this with the inflection here and then he would do it and try like that. It might feel more natural than the i try and be like thank you so much. You know like it's just he was. He was so cool though the last last day. When it's friday when they take they take two shows and they tipped an early evening one and then there's one about an hour after that so we did the first one we thought we did so great and then they changed our lines for the next show and it was like. Oh no we only had a couple of hours to learn new lines and stuff like that kinda changed everything that was going on still really. It worked rona better. The sack of early. You were right by the totally. There is one part of that. There was a part in the script. Where i i was so happy that it was me. where christina where kelly takes basically decided she's gonna sleep with one of us and it turned out. It was that just so happened. It was me and there was a partner script where we even rehearsed it on the set where she takes me by the hand and we'd walk up the stairs to go to the bedrooms. Of course there's no veggies up go through that doorway. There's nothing back there. But when i when i found out that was happening i mean. My head was exploding because all my friends see this guy. Married with children was such a big show. And it's like an. I'm going upstairs to have sex with kelly bundy right in fake tv world. That's amazing right so cuts you on the thursday We're at the read. And that whole thing is not in there. And i went over to one of the producers and i said what happened to the scene where i go upstairs with with christina. And he said yes. She came into office last night and she was like. Yeah about that scene where i go upstairs with scott. She's like you know. I know my characters a slut. But she's not that much of.
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Twinkie. now the private show one of the best moments from anthrax. You guys mentioned your smile. You have great personalities. I just saw it a couple of weeks. Ago is your is your appearance on married with children. Which is legit funny. It's not one of these stunt castings where the guys are kind of like you know like rain. Gretzky on live recant. Act and it's very stone delivery. It's really funny. Once again one of the classic moments and anthrax career. Yeah it gets talked about all the time. I can't breathe almost talk about it. Yeah i think about that. Week i mean. That's one of those things that i think about it a lot. You know like it'll just 'cause you know married with children pops up o'neill or i katie. Gal i just heard her on on something. And you know you see christina applegate at you see these people so that boom the memory comes back and it was and it's a great memory was unbelievable. Week just unbelievable. The story about is originally we were pitched for the simpsons and the simpsons had already had their seasons all done the season all done so it got passed around in produces america. Children wrote this episode around us. And that's how it happened. And i'll never forget the first day we're at the table read and we're all sitting there in like what the fuck you know like. All these people are sitting around us from the show. It was crazy and we took a break and went outside and as tony danza. Just right there you remember that. Yeah who's the boss. Right next door. It was so surreal man that was shot and it was great. Just hear other table read just watching like do as lines with katie and going over stuff and the laughs right there with didn't work out so much fun that just like kids in a candy store. Get awesome great here. We were all fans of that. Show you know so. And we had met them before we got to play in one of those kabc softball game or a tjmartell.org grind marcel. So we admit them in but you know really hang out with them but yeah suddenly. You're in their bubble like in their world. And i got it. I was super nervous. You're sitting there at the table. And i'm like see like oh my god my lines coming up you know i just want you wanna do a good job. You don't wanna hold people up but everyone was so nice it's use the lines on to allot yet set in your way right. Y'all would pull you aside. Like i remember one time. He pulled me aside and he said you know what say it like this with the inflection here and then he would do it and try like that. It might feel more natural than the i try and be like thank you so much. You know like it's just he was. He was so cool though the last last day. When it's friday when they take they take two shows and they tipped an early evening one and then there's one about an hour after that so we did the first one we thought we did so great and then they changed our lines for the next show and it was like. Oh no we only had a couple of hours to learn new lines and stuff like that kinda changed everything that was going on still really. It worked rona better. The sack early. You were right by the totally. There is one part of that. There was a part in the script. Where i i was so happy that it was me. where christina where kelly takes basically decided she's gonna sleep with one of us and it turned out. It was that just so happened. It was me and there was a partner script where we even rehearsed it on the set where she takes me by the hand and we'd walk up the stairs to go to the bedrooms. Of course there's no veggies up go through that doorway. There's nothing back there. But when i when i found out that was happening i mean. My head was exploding because all my friends see this guy. Married with children was such a big show. And it's like an. I'm going upstairs to have sex with kelly bundy right in fake tv world. That's amazing right so cuts you on the thursday We're at the read. And that whole thing is not in there. And i went over to one of the producers and i said what happened to the scene where i go upstairs with with christina. And he said yes. She came into office last night and she was like. Yeah about that scene where i go upstairs with scott. She's like you know. I know my characters a slut. But she's not that much of.
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Highest spots over the years. Nothing's ever happened nothing like that. I don't know it's been straight ahead. You shake hands and say how are you sir. It's like rank using equal. You know he. He buys me every time i look. I voiced my opinion. I am who i am but it is funny though like the nephew uncle relationship. When you really just mostly brothers very very close at age we grew up together much. Yeah pretty much. okay frankie. Our friends at geico asked. Did you fit in right away when you joined anthrax in before even because i was with them all the time. He was danny looker. We had a great time. Then it was. Just a good hang. We ball buster dude. That was like high school of ball. Busting it didn't stop and that was it was just a great time to hang out with friends and we're friends so And plus i. I love the music so it all worked. Let's talk about one of the most influential and important gigs and heavy metal. History when you're talking about the roseland ballroom which was raven metallica. Anthrax and saw all three of the band's get signed to major labels and keeping at the time raven was bigger than probably both of you guys. So was the vibe. Like was everybody. I guess the idea is. Why did all three bands get signed. Was this the place to be for the record executives at night. Yeah yeah it was similar to what happened with twisted sister a few years before that when you know they were just no real labels would would even look at them. They were just looked at as this long island club band. And then they went and they sold out the palladium in the city which was thirty. Five hundred seat venue without without a record deal without any of that they had their own seven inches out. And when we sell out roseland all three bands on an indie label. Thirty five hundred tickets. Yeah you know. People's like yeah every every in our every label had an a and our guy down there that night to see what it was all about and even it was even it was kind of. We didn't know where we were going yet. But we i think it was already pretty much know. Metallica was going to elect. you're already. They had already been talking. And i think johnny already had the raven deal at atlantic pretty much and we were still like Like they're not that it would have been the worst thing in the world but like we wanna deal to. We don't want to be just stuck on geforce. Come on what about us and not felt draft. Yeah right but we. I mean we had a great show. We we had an amazing show that night and then Island records started sniffing around. And i do believe we played the ritz right. Didn't we do the ritz like early. Eighty five with joey and and that's when we signed the back of the spreading the disease that group shot At the rich that's night we got signed right and Also happy like island. Records was such a great label to be onto so eclectic youtube. Bob marley an anthrax and it was. It was so amazing. You know i. I think exactly. We weren't in a huge pool of like hard rock and metal. We were the only band and they really did the work for us. I must say island records busted their balls. I mean because we have the not really clear it up for geico. They came up with the not man. Yeah it was an ad. There was an ad and it said by george. I think he's got it set. Not and that was for spreading the disease face it had the longer puppet base in the ad a they they would throw him on stage on that tour and it was like wait a minute. Let's make a shirt you know. And that's how it all kind of happened was such a organic thing that built you know. It wasn't like some marketing guy was like mazen. You won't go. Yeah and he won't go away a leads of organic. There's a lot of things that anthrax kind of pioneered were the first to do. And the first thing that i noticed was jeans and t-shirts and jean jackets and here comes anthrax. With the board shorts the loud shore so is the first thing he which then influenced our whole generation of kids. Which i think we're probably in grade eleven at the time so it's sixteen years old. Everyone's buying the craziest jams. We used to call them. I know what you guys call them. Yeah and these wild colored like shorts and some of them would be like fi or their way too short and some of them would be like knee high but we did that because anthrax war those shorts on stage so suddenly it's cool. You were definitely the first band and heavy metal to do that. Well the the surf culture in the bronx and queens was really big in the early eighties. The easy her hanging on the east you go to city island break. There's just just. That's what that's what i wore all day all day long but that you know even before hand when we were we were forced to wear a ban uniform on the i like war and stuff hold on a band uniform if you see pictures of us from the fistful tour and eighty four. You know where wearing much like judas priest look. We're wearing leather pants. And jacket and stuff like that. And you know and i get it. I love the way judas priest looks and i loved but they're already is that like an eye very physical performers onstage. And it's like in your wearing this tight leather in your way down with belts and spikes and and chain mail and it's like this is just not gonna work so susan shakes soon.
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"anthrax" Discussed on Talk Is Jericho
"Highest spots over the years. Nothing's ever happened nothing like that. I don't know it's been straight ahead. You shake hands and say how are you sir. It's like rank using equal. You know he he me i look. I voiced my opinion. I am who i am but it is funny though like the nephew uncle relationship. When you really just mostly brothers very very close at age we grew up together much. Yeah pretty much. Okay frankie our friends at geico ask. Did you fit in right away when you joined anthrax fit in before even because i was with them all the time. He was danny looker. We had a great time. Then it was. Just a good hang. We ball buster dude. That was like high school of ball. Busting it didn't stop and that was it was just a great time to hang out with friends and we're friends so And plus i love the music so it all worked. Let's talk about one of the most influential and important gigs and heavy metal. History when you're talking about the roseland ballroom which was raven metallica. Anthrax and saw all three of the band's get signed to major labels and keeping at the time raven was bigger than probably both of you guys. So was the vibe. Like was everybody. I guess the idea is. Why did all three bands get signed. Was this the place to be for the record executives at night. Yeah yeah it was similar to what happened with twisted sister a few years before that when you know they were just no real labels would would even look at them. They were just looked at as this long island club band. And then they went and they sold out the palladium in the city which was thirty. Five hundred seat venue without without a record deal without any of that they had their own seven inches out. And when we sell out roseland all three bands on an indie label. Thirty five hundred tickets. Yeah you know. People's like yeah every every in our every label had an a and our guy down there that night to see what it was all about and even it was even it was kind of. We didn't know where we were going yet. But we i think it was already pretty much know. Metallica was going to elect. you're already. They had already been talking. And i think johnny already had the raven deal at atlantic pretty much and we were still like Like they're not that it would have been the worst thing in the world but like we wanna deal to. We don't want to be just stuck on geforce come on what about us and felt draft. Yeah right but we. I mean we had a great show. We we had an amazing show that night and then Island records started sniffing around. And i do believe we played the ritz right. Didn't we do the ritz in early. Eighty five with joey and and that's when we signed the back of the spreading the disease that group shot of at the rich. That's night we got signed right and Also happy like island records was such a great label to be onto so eclectic youtube. Bob marley an anthrax and it was. It was so amazing. You know i. I think exactly. We weren't in a huge pool of like hard rock and metal. We were the only band and they really did the work for us. I must say island records busted their balls. I mean because we have the not really clear it up for geico. They came up with the not man. Yeah it was an ad. There was an ad and it said by george. I think he's got it set. Not and that was for spreading the disease face it had the longer puppet base in the ad and they were they would throw him on stage on that tour and it was like wait a minute. Let's make a shirt you know. And that's how it all kind of happened was such a or ganic thing that built you know. It wasn't like some marketing guy was like mazen. You won't go. Yeah and he won't go away long leads of organic. There's a lot of things that anthrax kind of pioneered were the first to do. And the first thing that i noticed was jeans and t-shirts and jean jackets and here comes anthrax. With the board shorts the loud shore so is the first thing he which then influenced our whole generation of kids. Which i think we're probably in grade eleven at the time so it's sixteen years old. Everyone's buying the craziest jams. We used to call them. I know what you guys call them. Yeah and these wild colored like shorts and some of them would be like fi or their way too short and some of them would be like knee high but we did that because anthrax war those shorts on stage so suddenly it's cool. You were definitely the first band and heavy metal to do that. Well the the surf culture in the bronx and queens was really big in the early eighties. The easy her hanging on the east you go to city island and manu's break there's just just that's what that's what i wore all day all day long but that you know even before hand when we were. We were forced to wear a ban uniform on the. I like war and stuff hold on a band uniform if you see pictures of us from the fistful tour and eighty four. You know where wearing much like judas priest look. We're wearing leather pants. And jacket and stuff like that. And you know and i get it. I love the way judas priest looks and i loved but they're already is that like an eye very physical performers onstage. And it's like in your wearing this tight leather letheren your way down with belts and spikes and and chain mail and it's like this is just not gonna work so susan shakes soon.
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Community-powered solutions to the climate crisis
"Home. It's where we celebrate our triumphs. Make our memories and confront our challenges and these days there are plenty of those an historic pandemic wildfires floods and hurricanes all threaten our basic safety. These challenges hit even harder in communities that have been cut out of equal opportunities in the us. Unfair and racist housing policies called redlining have for decades forced black brown indigenous and poor white families into areas rife with toxic chemicals that make people sick. They're surrounded by concrete that traps extreme temperatures demand more cooling more money more energy more carbon. Our problems are interconnected. Imagine all we can do when we realized the solutions are two at the solutions project. We've seen that some of the people most impacted by covid nineteen least likely to have a steady place to call home and most affected by the damage to our climate are already working on effective and scalable solutions. Take buffalo in miami where affordable housing has become a community solution to the climate crisis. Buffalo new york is the third poorest city in the united states and six small segregated but our people. How're is strong. Over the last fifteen years my organization push buffalo has been working with residents bill ren- affordable housing deploy renewable energy and to roll the resilience in power in our communities. We saw heating bills soar over the last pay. We organized state policy help. Small businesses into our people to work. By the rising homes we responded with equal landscaping ingredient infrastructure when record rainfalls flooding our neighborhoods. We replaced the concrete that overwhelmed and may heat ways unbearable. Let us visit school. Seventy seven and eighty thousand square foot public school building that was closed and abandoned for nearly a decade but pushed off low in the community transforms to solar power forcible senior apartments and a community center. This is what the community wants it when private developers were school building for high end loft apartments eight hundred residents mobilized came up with a plan. We became new york. State's first community. Solar projects in during the coronavirus pandemic abon tier running mutual at catalyst. Miami anga miami climate alliance. We work with dozens of other organizations to enact policies. Ride safe housing anthrax climate. Here in miami. We've seen a four hundred percent increase in tidal flooding between two thousand six and twenty sixteen. And i've seen forty nine additional ninety degree days per year since nineteen seventy. We fought for the miami forever. Bond to fund four hundred million dollars for affordable housing and climate solutions. Yet every day we continue to see luxury high rise condos being built in our neighborhoods added more concrete in heat on the ground. Some of our members are taking matters into their own hands. Literally conscious contractors is a grassroots collective that formed during hurricane irma to protect rebuild and beautify our communities all while increasing energy efficiency. They don't think that anyone should have to choose between paying a high a. c. bill and living in a hot in moldy house that will worsen respiratory illnesses such as asthma or corona virus. They fix problems at the source. Advocates across the country are holding their governments accountable. Climate solutions that keep their communities in place we need to push from reportable housing green infrastructure and flip protections because these are the solutions that solve many problems at once.
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Think Twice Before You Eat That Halloween Candy
"The urban legend of Razor Blades in your Halloween candy or poison hidden behind the sweet taste of a snickers bar has been around for decades to this day. Parents are still worn to inspect all candy give into their children to make sure that it's safe for consumption quoted from a mental floss article written by Ethan treks quote it's easy to see how urban legends have taken hold because they're so terrifying after all parents Ben Three hundred, sixty, four days of every year telling their kids not to take candy from strangers precisely because of might be poisoned. Then, give the thumbs up to taking snacks from every house in the neighborhood on Halloween, and that's so true and it also calls to mind the whole idea of like when we re under it, we were told not to talk to strangers online and not to get in cars with strangers, and now we literally use the Internet to summon strangers to get in their cars yet. So. Weird. It's crazy. So in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five Joel Best, who's a professor of sociology and Criminal Justice at the University of Delaware publishing article that reviewed reports and press coverage of candy tampering in the United States between nineteen, Fifty, eight to nineteen eighty-four during the search he found a report as early as nineteen fifty nine where children were falling ill after a California dentist named. William. Shine had distributed four hundred fifty candies laced with laxatives. Two Children Jesus thirty of these children were actually affected by candy tampering and he was later charged with outrage of public decency and quote unlawful dispensing of drugs for a dentist. A dentist, a nine, hundred, sixty, four in New York a forty, seven year. Old Woman named. Helen feel was. Annoyed by the Halloween custom of handing out candy to children especially to children who she felt deserve to be given free candy for she handed out bags of treats including ant poison and dog biscuits while when she was confronted about her actions she said, she was doing it as a joke and only gave the items kid she felt were too old to be trick or treating. Is later reported that she was admitted to the State Hospital for mental observation. Good. God right. You don't know what their issues and why they're treating, and even if they don't have an issue like who fucking cares don't be so stingy. Yeah. Like would you want them taking part in egging in toilet paper toilet paper people's houses or would you like them going door to door and get some candy? Just let them go home with bags of candy and then do whatever they're going to do at the house. They're not gonNA come back at midnight to your house. They've if you give him dog biscuits. Yeah. It's like you just set yourself up for some mischief right in one thousand, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight, Toronto police had discovered razor blades and noodles and Halloween apples. The footage found in the CBC Archives Showed Police Displaying Candy that was supposedly poisoned in nineteen seventy, five year old boy named Kevin Dotson from Detroit died after supposedly eating heroin laced candy diseases. After news media outlets had a field day with telling all parents to dispose of their children's hard earned cash flowing treats. It was later discovered that the parents of the child were trying to hide the true events led to his death apparently the uncle of the boy. had a heroin stash in his home and the little boy had gotten into it and ingested a capsule filled with heroin. The parents sprinkled heroin on the boys Halloween candy after he had died as a cover up to protect the boy's uncle God. But that also kind of reminds me of the the thing that goes around of Lake don't watch out people are putting edibles in your candidate and like no nobody's giving you hundreds of dollars of drug senior kids. In two thousand and Minnesota a forty nine year old man named James Joseph Smith was charged with felony for tampering with candy after a fourteen year old boy was pricked with a needle after biting into a candy bar. Lou. He apparently had put needles into snickers bars and handed them out on Halloween. Night. He was charged with one count of adultery in substance with the intent to cause harm illness or death new four other boys were found to have the needle lace snicker Bar, but the only one boy was harmed. In Two thousand sixteen in Nova Scotia a twelve year old boy was injured when he reached into his candy bag and was cut by a razor blade poking out of a kick cap arc. In two thousand, seventeen multiple reports come out of Ontario Canada where eleven year old girl underwent surgery at U. ship it into recess peanut Butter Cup containing a metal object although it was unclear if this was a result of candy tampering or a manufacturing incident. And other eleven year old boy was also reported to have received a Tutsi roll containing melatonin pill before. Tone of all things so. Yes. So harmless but just go to sleep in two thousand, nineteen in Connecticut thirty seven year old Jason Racks was arrested and held on a two hundred fifty thousand dollar bond after the parents of at least two trick or treaters found razors in their children's candy bags. He was charged with risk of injury to a minor reckless endangerment and interfering with police officer apparently did not go quietly when arrested and he also stated that the razor blades were accidentally spilled into the Cannibal for boxer razors who just happened to have next to it. Yes. Yep Yeah I totally believer like you do a later unrelated incident involved someone handing out THC laced gummy candies in their Halloween trick or treaters. Each of the bags contained colorful gummy cubes each packed with ten milligrams of THC. It was stated that it was unknown if this was intentional or from might have been an unintentional oversight by the person handing out the treats but the packaging was obvious enough that it shouldn't be consumed by children Marcos is probably high end didn't notice it air probably high and just in the bag knows because there's pictures of it and that looks like little gummy little gummy bear bags. Yeah. So again, the joke comes up though that nobody's going to willingly hand over yet. They're edibles. Yeah. At the conclusion of Joel Best Research. So get it only went from nine, hundred, fifty, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and a lot of these cases. I, told you about were in the two thousands So, this was his conclusion with his research at the conclusion of Joel Best Research into candy tampering incidents. He concluded that the vast majority of reported about seventy five percent who were either hoaxes conducted by children or their parents or didn't result in serious injury interesting. He also stated that contemporary legends are ways that society expresses anxiety and urban legends like Halloween Sadism could've stemmed from societal grievances like nineteen, eighty, two with the cyanide laced tylenol incident in. CHICAGO? The September eleventh terrorist attacks and subsequent Anthrax scare and of course now with Yeah. which actually plays into what you were saying. Devil's night about the depression and the war and how people just kind of like did what they did on Devil's night as a reprieve or as Cathartic. Occurrence. Yeah. So yeah, and that a lot of these urban legends Kinda just stemmed from people just having so much anxiety about the world in the world's problems. Yeah. Yeah. He has stated quote is it possible that someone maliciously passes out treats with the intent of harming children at random of course but this raises the question why they're usually aren't multiple reports from the same area effectively saying that the urban legend is just that nothing more than a hoax or scary story to tell her on time we're anxieties already
Marketplace Tech with Molly Wood
Could a digital 'New Deal' rewrite tech policy?
"At this point consumers, tech employees, even the CEOS of some big tech companies say there should be more regulation around privacy advertising and even disinformation. But what might that regulation look like the think tank? The German Marshall Fund is for an initiative called the digital new deal. It contains a bunch of policy proposals that would ideally create more transparency into how tech companies operate and questioned the incentives that pushed this information. Can Corn Blue is director of the Digital Innovation and Democracy Initiative at the German Marshall Fund. So one of the specific proposals we have on that front is a circuit breaker that they have for high-speed trading on Wall Street where when things get too heated and are spreading too quickly the platforms have to take a pause and take a look and see if it violates our terms of service. They didn't do this with a video that was spreading conspiracy theories about how dangerous masks are who's spreading Cova. called. America's frontline doctors. It was seen by twenty million separate views on facebook before they realized they had to shut it down. That's interesting because you know. So much of this has been built on the idea that Barack. Is Good that something going by real as good and so you're saying that these platforms should start to change their thinking so that when something's going viral They are alarmed. Yeah I. Mean I think we've all taken another look at that word viral lately. Can Be bad and but viral viral can be good for platforms because it means that people are excited and they're staying online, and that means that the platforms can show you ads and that's how they make money. So they're incentives differ from our incentives, which is that we want to critically examined that piece of content that's coming across our desk before we share it with our unwitting grandmother may take action based on it. How what is the reception to the idea of this level of regulation? Obviously, the company's. Clear even from mark, Zuckerberg's interview just this week. that. They don't agree you know he talked about anthrax and that he doesn't want to suppress speech about vaccine skepticism. But if you look at social media messages urging Americans to re reject vaccines, it's tripled just since the pandemic has begun and again he's focused on the content and not enough on the systems. That create the opportunity for conspiracy theorists to play the algorithm or a bunch of groups to promote act anti vaccine, and that's because he doesn't. He doesn't have the incentive you know the car companies, they may have resisted seatbelts or airbags fuel-efficiency. But then once the policies were put in place, they turned on the innovation and they figured out how they could still make money but also keep people safe a lot of the time you know the pushback argument for not regulating social media platforms, for example, as free speech, but it's also based on this idea that like. Disinformation is just as old as time people people. You know that's what people do they argue or they try to convince each other in one direction or the other but it seems like increasingly we're realizing that the platforms themselves not only is there an incentive for them to serve this content? But they exist as an incentive to create it like there's money to be made influencers are selling March? Yeah. I'm so glad you asked that that's absolutely right and a lot of people miss that that if I'm if I have an outlet, one of these, we call them Trojan horse outlets that pretend to be news outlets better just repackaging old rumors and making them look like news or if you're one of these carnival barker pages that that tries to get people's attention on those outlets. if you get enough eyeballs the platforms serve up ads and you get some of that money if you're a youtube channel that spews out a lot of disinformation. So people come to you. You can wind up with revenue sharing from the platform. So absolutely, and then there are a bunch of people that flat out sell fraudulent products as part of this disinformation scheme. So they may say you know here's here's something that works better than a mask to cure Kovic and buy it here. Here's something that will get you rich quickly. So there is an entire financial. Ecosystem that supporting this disinformation. So in a way, it's not like the platforms. Just amplify and themselves profit from disinformation they create an incentive cycle. And of financial encouragement for people to create and spread disinformation. That's absolutely right and the one other thing that I would add to that I mean that's really true and the Federal Trade Commission has started to do work in this, but they could use a lot more expertise a lot more authority and a lot more resources to to go after this kind of activity and the other thing that I would say to add to your question about. Aren't people just going to spread rumors is that one of the things that makes the Internet more effective spreading rumors is this information laundering so that people don't know where the information is coming from. It looks like it's coming from a reputable news organization. It looks like it's coming from a neighbor because people aren't aware and the platforms aren't transparent enough. So. A big part of this could be handled with transparency, which is very free speech. Friendly. That's Karen Corn Blue With the German Marshall Fund think-tank.
Science Magazine Podcast
Wildlife behavior during a global lockdown
"I up this week we have staff writer Eric stocks that he wrote about what we can learn from wildlife or about wildlife human suddenly go quiet high, Eric Acerra, this spring and summer the world has been quieter less travel must commuting fewer gatherings that make large crowd noises in fact, in the stories term anthro pause. What is a change? This change in human behavior look like from the point of view of wild animals say you're a squirrel what's going on around? You Will Sir I. Think the biggest change is that so many people were staying home. There were less cars on the road. There were less flights we know that for sure some researchers have estimated that at the peak of the lockdown, maybe sixty percent of the human population was was staying home so far far fewer people out cars, trains, planes, ships, all these things that make noise and. Our presence on the on the natural landscape this term, the anthropology, right? It's it's a nod to this term called the anthroposophic scene, which is this concept that the era we're living in right now is so defined by the incredible impacted humans are having on the planet, and so the anthrax pause is just the sense that for these weeks or months, there's been a slowdown in that I have to say it's a much nicer term than than one that I've seen elsewhere to mother researchers call this the global human confinement comment and boy. They're really hits home how this? How much this sucks doesn't it so? Maybe we'll stick with the anthroposophy. Yeah I think we'll stick with us. I've heard a lot about researchers losing a summer at their field sites. They're not able to fly to their destination. They've had to cancel cruises that were doing ocean research things like that. But this time also presents an opportunity to study animals and their behavior and ask questions but it will be like if people were just less present, which studied caught your eye first when he started a look at this one example of the kind of opportunity that this has been. For scientists that I came across is it's a project called the international quiet ocean experiment. It's lovely name isn't it and what they're looking at is all the sources of sound that humans create in the ocean ship propellers banging at ports, and for several years, they've been trying to find places where the ocean has gotten a little quieter because humans have stopped doing something it might be with shipping lanes have changed for a while from one route to another war if there is construction at port that might. mean boats are coming in anymore. This has been a search to find these places where they can figure out what animals experience in the ocean when humans aren't is noisy as they usually are
20 Minute Fitness
20 Minutes About Hacking Your Metabolism
"Why don't you introduce yourself and told our listeners a bit about yourself as far as human benchmarking for having very happy to. Peter. So lady bid about the let's start with lumine what he doesn't. Actually do so with built is probably the first real time feedback on attrition. So to think about what you have in terms of solutions to help you manage fishing today, you have diets have nutritionists and you have a lot of. Online and you have several tools to help you understand your microbiome and so forth. But in a way, there is no real feedback loop that can help you on a daily basis reflects in see what you've been doing well in what you haven't been doing well to change your nutrition to support your healthy metabolism, which is actually lumens. Go Rhino, we developed tool. Looks, in basically analyzed the CO two in your breath and by doing that, it assesses whether your body is currently using facts or fuel or cards for Jill. It's a different paradigm batteries. It's basically understanding. Okay. Are Calories being burned but what is the fuel source is actually feeding? Those was calories that you're burning whether when you're working outdoor, not just to live. Driver body and based on that metric by picking on a daily basis, you breathe into the device you see what's happening take a lot of father data points that the that we get if it's from integrations to Google fake help kids. And other devices and we provide you with a daily personality advance. So it really tells you how many macro issue should be having. We focus mainly on carbs. What is your capacity to absorb carbs in the right way today how many carbs you should be eating, and once you follow that plan and you come the morning after and you take a measurement you see that you manage to start to make make a change you wanna see body burning fats in the morning. So this is kind. Of a not in a nutshell how would somebody's metabolism differ from one another? Like do we metabolize cops differently? So there are many many differences between people but generally sticking a healthy body image, polically flexible body will wake up using fats mainly for fuel because assuming you haven't been eating for the past six hours, you've been fast six seven hours because you've been sleeping your body. That's night time is the time for the body to make that transition to fat-burner and so if you're waking up. On Burn probably means that you've been eating well, not too much in the past few days probably enough carbs that again, not to launch in the past two, three days sleeping well also gets your body to do that transition lack of stress and vice versa. So if you're not sleeping where you ate very late at night, she break alcohol or you blocked her body ability to do that switch to fat burning because alcohol anthrax allies in deliver in. So all all the fun stuff in life but. The that are damaging stressing to your body will get you to wake up on carbon. You'll morning, which is something you want to be fixing. Yeah. Of course, particularly bad metabolism are completely inhibiting actually your metabolism Wyatt's by livers forcing alcohol exactly at the body treats alcohol as poison base. Yeah. I'd. So it will I tend to that than metabolize alcohol, and this will have to process will happen in the liver, but the liver is also crucial for fat metabolism right so produce energy from fats. That's. That's where you need your liver to functioning right and so I kind of have a good idea when a wake up. Okay. Did I have too many cops maybe the night before or like some other bad behaviors maybe not enough sleep. What about throughout the day like what kind of can I expect like after having had lunch for example, right? So so swimming, let's say that your lunch with. Rich with carbs you should. You would see a spike in shift towards CARB USAGE which is okay. That the insulin is secreted the sugar gets into your blood and from the blood to the cells themselves, your cells will be using sugar. So so it's not just something we measure after after meals we offer are used to measure APPs for meals to see their metabolism is flexible. So candidate make that shift from fat burn to two cards, but still also different opportunities different. Than moments during the day that you can actually that metric can be also super insightful. So if you want to see if you're you're ready for specific a high intensity workouts you have planned. So so understanding if your body is using fat cards at the moment, because your life is in stores are full or because he just ate today or your post meal that's where you. WanNa see your body on carbon before an intense workout after workout, you can also see that shift to fat burn if that was learn again. So there are more opportunities to to take measurements you can. You can assess your fasting regiment. So basically, you're doing time restricted eating or any type of intermittent fasting the body can get into the Baltic stress in that process, right? Some kinds your body is not efficient. It's not the more you fast necessarily the better in. So we help people identify the point where they're they're fasting is not really efficient. Any more because everybody is now releasing like agenda shifting to burn even if they are not really, they haven't eaten anything. So that's another opportunity in another point in time where that metric be super insightful people.
Environment: NPR
Are There Zombie Viruses Like The 1918 Flu Thawing In The Permafrost?
"Now we take you to the top of the world to the Northern Coast of Alaska where a cliff is crumbling and exposing ancient hunting site. There's another head back there. GonNa head right here head right their main body right here. Across the Arctic these prehistoric settlements are being unearthed. And the reason why is climate change as NPR's Mike Lean do cliff reports? Scientists are worried about something that could be lurking inside. These settlements Zombie pathogens up on top of an ocean. Bluff team of archaeologists is trying to pull off an emergency excavation. Here we have ribs and vertebrae other long bones. That's Dominique Tulu. Student helping to dig out hunting cabin. He's found a stash of animal bones at the other end of the house. Glenis on shows me where someone was storing fresh. Kills so this. Is this skin right here? At my feet are mummified seal. These seals are incredibly well preserved. You can see their skin their whiskers and this odsal paw. Oh Paul everywhere they dig. There's another surprise owing us. This is ridiculous. That's an Jensen the archaeologist leading the team they're out of coastal site near Ukiah that the town wants known as Barrow. They're rushing to save a piece of history before it falls into the ocean the cliff where the cabin is buried is going breaking apart because of climate change bird bird after bird after bird stack up in their skin. There there is the whole boy. Things are getting super stinky. The birds are thawing in rotting. That's right when students hands covered in black king bird flesh. Oh yeah hands. Oh my gosh. Oh now Johnson starts worrying about something. We can't see even flu virus. Oh norovirus yes. The team realizes there could be bird-flu hidden in these carcasses. You he all across the. Arctic climate change is causing the ground to warm soften like butter and there are a lot of things buried this ground. Not just animals but also their diseases tinkering take a rank colleen. You're GONNA drive yourself seriously. You need a break cooling. The major as a student she puts on gloves. Yeah you should probably do that hand. Because I mean a lot. Dunkin you at this point. In the excavation something even crappier happens. A human molar appears really human tooth. Now the site rat isn't a burial ground. There shouldn't be bodies right here but the two does make them pause because it reminds them that there aren't just animal diseases buried in the Arctic but also possibly human diseases. There are tens of thousands of bodies hidden in the Arctic permafrost. Jensen knows this better than anyone. I've gone a lot of burials. Yeah I've probably Doug as many variables was anybody. Some of the people buried up here. They died of smallpox others from the nineteen eighteen flu. Have you ever seen human remains like as well preserved as this seal? Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah well the little the little frozen girl from rookie. Avic ARE NYACK. Yes she was. She was actually much better preserved than the seal. The little girl was just six years old. She was carefully wrapped in duct skin. Parka WITH A FUR-TRIMMED. She had this little sled with her. She died about eight hundred years ago. Water in around her burial I think and she was socialist. Basically encased in ice. We're able to take her out in a block of ice. Her body was so well preserved that Jensen shipped her to anchorage so doctors could do a full autopsy. One of those doctors was Michael's Zimmerman a paleobiologist at the University of Pennsylvania. I've done the number studies on frozen bodies in Alaska and when you open them up the organs role there and they're easily identified. It's not at all like Egyptian mummies where everything is shrunken and dried up. So it's easy to see what a person died up for the little frozen girl. It was starvation. But Zimmerman has seen infections embodies excavated from permafrost in one case a mummy from the Aleutian Islands. Looked like it had died of pneumonia and when he looked for the bacteria inside the body there they were frozen in time. We can see them microscopically in the in the lungs. There's this fear out there that once human bodies are exposed by melting permafrost. The pathogens in them could come back to life like Zombie pathogens. It's not unheard of anthrax. Can do it. It happened just a few years ago. In Russia a massive reindeer burial ground thought in the anthrax that killed. The reindeer woke up and started an outbreak. Were these new moon. You bacteria still alive. Zimmerman tested it. He took a smidge tissue from the lungs warmed it up fed it and tried to revive it. Nothing grew not one single cell though. I was happy because I didn't have to worry about catching anything. Zimmerman says he wasn't surprised. Bacteria were dead. Anthrax is a special case. In general bacteria that make people can't survive deep-freeze we're dealing with the organisms. That are hundreds of years old at least of the stuff. I work out of their frozen for hundreds of years and I really don't think they're ready to come back to life. I asked him if the same is true for viruses. I think it's extremely unlikely we've never been able to Culture any living organisms out of these bodies in nineteen fifty one a pathologist from San Francisco. Johan Halton decided to test this out. He went up to a tiny town near nome Alaska in dug up the bodies of five people who had died of the nineteen eighteen flu a virus that killed at least fifty million people Holton told. Npr Two thousand four that he cut out tiny pieces of the people's lungs and try to grow the virus in the lab. I hope that I would be able to isolate living virus. And they couldn't they ours is dead. And in retrospect of course maybe that was a good thing a good thing. But here's the crazy part. Holton tried to capture the virus twice. He went back to Alaska when he was seventy two. In Russian. Scientists like Holton have intentionally tried to revive smallpox from bodies in their permafrost. They recovered pieces of the virus but couldn't get that to grow either so maybe when it comes to Zombie Diseases. It's not melting permafrost. Me Need to worry about but what scientists are doing in the lab mike do cluff NPR news.
Science Magazine Podcast
Coronavirus antibody testing, explained
"Antibodies. What exactly are these? And how are they different from things and people may have heard of like convalescent plasma? Yes so convalescent. Plasma is the idea that you had the disease he recovered. And you can pull the plasma out of someone that has a commissioner of antibodies. And then give that to someone else. the monoclonal idea is select the best antibodies out of that commission. Or you can make those antibodies in mice or you can make them synthetically. Monoclonal means one clone one thing. We're going to just make a bunch of it and give it to people. People typically just an antibody is a thing. Well you know more so than I scream. Store has ice cream you know there are lots of flavors. Antibodies and and some are far more effective than others and some can even cause harm. You have to be careful right and this is not like a vaccine. Where you're you're actually injecting a person with a piece of a virus or the virus killed and then the body is producing antibodies. Right so whatta vaccines doing. Is it's artificially teaching your immune system how to make an immune response including antibodies. With a vaccine you get the vaccine. Your body then knows how to make the antibodies and other immune warriors with the monoclonal antibody treatment. You have to keep getting it. You can use it either as a preventive like a vaccine or as a treatment. If you're going to use it as either you have to keep getting it because it wears off right. How do you administer monoclonal? Antibodies to a person for treatment. You have to do it. Iv IV DRIP for preventive. Where you would get it before you got the disease you can do it. As an intramuscular injection has been used to treat people for other infections or other disorders. There's a huge industry of monoclonal. Antibodies for cancer and for Autoimmune Diseases. But there are very few monoclonal antibodies that have made it to market for infectious diseases. The rarely used to of Mer for anthrax for example. Which just isn't a big problem. Right and another one that's on the market is for HIV infected. Who FAIL ALL DRUGS? And then there's one other on the market for respiratory virus for a certain subset of infants but that's it so this is something that's been done and that people have taken but it's not why lease for infection at this point not yet but we're right. On the precipice of an explosion of monoclonal antibodies for infectious diseases. Several have moved very far in clinical trials and we just had this great success story in the Democratic Republic of the Congo with Ebola where everything failed all these drug treatments failed. Convalescent plasma failed but monoclonal. Antibodies two different monoclonal antibody. Preparations worked. Well let's talk about how this is going to be applied to corona virus. Actually before that we should take a little detour to neutralizing antibodies. These seem to be the goal of lot of the research. That's going on. Can you talk a little bit about those? Yeah they're the superstars of antibodies. Basically what neutralizing? Antibodies do is when they latch onto the virus they prevent that virus from infecting a cell. In this case the virus that causes Kovic nineteen has a protein on its surface called spike. And you have a region of spike at the tip that is really and needed for the virus to get into a cell because it binds to a receptor on the cell surface that small and that small region of spike has to hit the receptor just so so the neutralizing antibodies by-in-large target that small region of Spike. You know basically. It's like taking a key. That's heading for a walk and putting chewing gum all over it. So he mentioned what an antibody that is not neutralizing monoclonal antibody. That's not neutralizing would do to prevent infection. Antibodies combined all over spike. They can also bind to the human cell when they bind to the human cell they can tell the immune system to turn on a separate arm of the immune system that brings out T. CELLS. We have a mop-up system of t-cells that can identify infected cells and clear them. And you really want these two things working in concert with each other. There are lot of approaches that you investigated in your story. Lots of researchers going down different has to try to get this treatment working. What are some of the things that they're trying to optimize about the antibodies? There are about fifty. Different efforts underway to make monoclonal start with the simplest thing. Find Somebody who's recovered and then try to pull neutralizing antibodies out of them. And then you can actually optimize their neutralizing antibodies. You can you can mess with that stock of the antibody to give it a longer half life so it lasts longer in the body. Another thing you can do. You can take the spike protein and injected into mice that have human b cells in them and they will produce antibodies. That you can then fish into the pool you've made and find the best ones that are neutralizing whom you can then modify those by making their half-life longer. Lots of fishing going on right lots of fishing going on you can also create a library of antibodies with a completely synthetic system. These are not naturally made an animal. You can then stick your fishing pole in there. I mean you. Basically stick bait into their like spike protein or just the region of the spike protein that the neutralizing antibodies attached to. That's Your Bait. That's your worm. And then the antibody jumps on that you can have two at about that. Both find the spike protein but different parts. See you kind of have the backup. In the case of one of the Abullah monoclonal antibody treatments in Congo. That worked that has three in the cocktail. There's no real limit to how many antibodies you can have. But there is a limit because of cost and manufacturing rights. There's there's one other limit. That's interesting Sarah. That's I mentioned. The spike protein has a small region on it that is where the neutralizing antibody wants to attach. That small region can only handle probably two different. Antibodies don't overlap with each other and as you mentioned there are what fifty different teams chasing this but now there's an organizing force out there. This is a consortium started near near you. Yes so the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funded Erica Omen Sapphire here in San Diego to try and sort through all the different. Antibodies being made in help prioritize triage with one's look best. These consortium ideas make a lot of sense in practicality. They're often hard to run because not everyone's cooperative. I'M OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE COVA. Nineteen has led to more cooperation than I personally have ever seen in the scientific community that you know these are companies. That are competitive. But they're all pledging to work together so we'll see a lot of what we talked about so far as a mechanism so we know where it should bind. We know how to improve the life span of these antibodies. What about translating these ideas these experiments into the clinic? How optimistic are you? And researchers about this working in people so antiviral drugs are a big ask when it comes to respiratory diseases. We don't have a lot of them that were in fact for viral diseases in general. It's it's tough to make drugs monoclonal. Antibodies hold great promise. We know the structure of spike protein. And how it attached to human cells. We know how to make monoclonal much better than we ever have. Because the technology has improved greatly through and autoimmune diseases and we have some hints from convalescent plasma. That can work if used early enough so I think there's high hope that these monoclonal. Antibodies will prove their worth and the Ebola experience where everything failed other than the monoclonal adds to the enthusiasm I'm GonNa keep picking at this a little bit longer so you mentioned that. Ebola had three monoclonal treatment but that people are aiming more for two in treating corona virus because these are expensive. They're not necessarily easy. To produce is going to be a problem if this does prove to be a really good treatment. Yes or no of first of all in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A second MONOCLONAL ANTIBODY. That worked was a single monoclonal antibody. Okay yeah so it's not necessarily better to have a cocktail It might be better to things like resistance that could build but both of those work the triple Combo and the single against Ebola. Are THEY EXPENSIVE. They have been in the past but the cost has dropped. I've been told tenfold in the past ten years. Just as manufacturing has improved. We also are seeing a rush internationally to provide support for treatments and preventive for Cove. In nineteen and my hunch. Is that if something does work. A lot of money will pour out of wealthy countries. Will there be a problem. Getting these out equitably to poor people and they're also hard to deliver yes inevitably inevitably. It will be a problem and there's also the risk of rich people getting it. I right so I think these issues are very real the bill and Melinda Gates. Foundation's consortium is trying to address this upfront. But these are always sticky. Sarah you know back historically if we look back at what happened with pandemic flu vaccine. They're the rich countries of the world. So will will donate ten percent of our vaccines to the poorer countries. That's not the real solution to the problem. You talk about a race with vaccine so if a vaccine comes to clinics for the antibodies do. Is there any call for them? At that point so the antibodies can be used both as a preventative and as a treatment in theory. Antibodies are going to enter the clinic in June. They probably will have an easier time proving whether they work and are safe than a vaccine so in all likelihood if antibodies are effective they will prove themselves. I necessarily who knows? But that's how it looks to me today and on May first. That's how it looked. Thank you for putting the date in there. Yeah Yeah 'cause you know this is where we're living in corona virus. Dan Our everything is so accelerated. Who knows you know weird? Things happen every day. Now Yeah and it could be that we never have a vaccine
News and Perspective with Tom Hutyler
Debate resurfaces over origins of novel coronavirus
"The debate continues over whether the covered nineteen virus was manufactured in a lab or if it developed naturally ABC's linsey Davis spoke with an expert about where it may have actually come from to help us try to make some sense of all this we like to bring in Tom Bossert president trump's former homeland security adviser and ABC news contributor thanks so much for joining us so trump in Pompeii they suggested there is a link between the virus and will haunt lab Dr Fauci seems to knock that down entirely and is said that the science indicates involved in nature who is right and what we know yeah well it's very important be precise about this language because they could both be right they can also both be wrong at the same time and here's what I mean by that the the the virus itself has been studied by scientists including in the trump administration under the NIH and Francis Collins the director of the NIH has come out and scientifically concluded with a report that they published almost a month ago that it wasn't made by man it wasn't a man made you know genomics kind of can you know conception of humans it was naturally and if you may be brewing so to speak for maybe even years if not months so the question is did it then transmits a human beings from the market or were they looking at this naturally occurring virus in the lab and then either intentionally or through some accident release it from that lab so the question is not about origin of the virus that's not man made the question is about whether was released accidentally or whether it was you know a natural occurrence and that's the question being investigated now as we know this virus has already killed tens of thousands of Americans you envision political or social fallout from suggesting that a Chinese lab is to blame that's exactly why it's so important to be careful with that language between the president and secretary of state and and doctors out she they're all saying something similar but to be very clear the fall out from a mistake or an accidental release will be you know somewhat significant but perhaps obviously not that level of war or conflict we've we've had this problem in our country where after nine eleven we had doctors in laboratories not properly caring for the anthrax that they were working on and studying and that could have been a bio laboratory security concerns certainly we can see a buyer laboratory safety concern in China and we want international agreements to improve those standards and those practices so that negligence and and mishaps don't happen but if it were intentionally intentionally released it's not intentionally created but intentionally released that would be tantamount to the largest bio warfare we've ever seen on the planet and so we have to be very careful to make sure we don't imply that Lester is pretty strong evidence that you kind of just touched on this but I'm just curious to know if you think that we will ever definitively know the true origin of the virus and how important is that discovery yeah I think that there's a good chance that we'll know so it was both naturally occurring which it is and naturally transmitted let's say from the market down the street we may never be able to prove that there won't be a typhoid Mary he said to speak that we can zero in on and talk to but it was released from the lab many alternative intentionally or otherwise we should be able to find evidence of that I believe that's what our intelligence community is looking at now you can talk to lab officials and maybe disgruntled doctors that worked at the lab there were observing their practices one of the first key questions I'll have to ask is whether that lab was actually looking at and performing research on this virus so will determine that and then we'll determined through investigation and if there is some link to the lab will find
Morning News with Manda Factor and Gregg Hersholt
China insists U.S. "doesn't have any" evidence virus came from lab
"Work the debate continues over whether the covert nineteen virus was manufactured in a lab or if it developed naturally ABC's linsey Davis spoke with an expert about swear it may have factually come from to help us try to make some sense of all this we like to bring in Tom Bossert president trump's former homeland security adviser and ABC news contributor thanks so much for joining us so trump Pompeii they suggested there is a link between the virus and will haunt lab Dr Fauci seems to knock that down entirely and is said that the science indicates involved in nature who is right and what we know yeah well it's very important be precise about this language because they could both be right they can also both be wrong at the same time and here's what I mean by that the the the virus itself has been studied by scientists including in the trump administration under the NIH and Francis Collins the director of the NIH has come out and scientifically concluded with a report that they published almost a month ago that it wasn't made by man it wasn't a man made you know genomics kind of can you know conception of humans it was naturally and if you may be brewing so to speak for maybe even years if not months so the question is did it then transmits a human beings from the market or were they looking at this naturally occurring viruses in the lab and then either intentionally or through some accident release it from that lab so the question is not about origin of the virus that's not man made the question is about whether was released accidentally or whether it was you know a natural occurrence and that's the question being investigated now as we know this virus has already killed tens of thousands of Americans do you envision political or social fallout from suggesting that a Chinese lab is to blame I do that's exactly why it's so important to be careful with that language between the president's secretary state and and doctors out she they're all saying something similar but to be very clear the fall out from a mistake or an accidental release will be you know somewhat significant but perhaps obviously not that level of war or conflict we've we've had this problem in our country where after nine eleven we had doctors in laboratories not properly caring for the anthrax that they were working on and studying and that could have been a bio laboratory security concerns certainly we can see a buyer laboratory safety concern in China and we want international agreements to improve those standards and those practices so that negligence and and mishaps don't happen but if it were intentionally intentionally released it's not intentionally created but intentionally released that would be tantamount to the largest bio warfare we've ever seen on the planet and so we have to be very careful to make sure we don't imply that unless there's pretty strong evidence that you kind of just touched on this but I'm just curious to know if you think that we will ever definitively know the true origin of the virus and how important is that discovery yeah I think that there's a good chance that we'll know so if it was both naturally occurring which it is and naturally transmitted let's say from the market down the street we may never be able to prove that there won't be a tie for men so to speak that we can zero in on and talk to but it was released from the lab many alternative intentionally or otherwise we should be able to find evidence of that I believe that's what our intelligence community is looking at now you can talk to lab officials and maybe disgruntled doctors that work at the lab there were observing their practices one of the first key questions I'll have to ask is whether that lab was actually looking at and performing research on this virus so will determine that and then we'll determined through investigation and if there is some link to the lab will find
The Economist: The Intelligence
Nature, or nurtured? A politicised virus-origin hunt
"The origin of the novel Corona Virus Wear and POW. Actually I infected. Human has become more than a scientific question yesterday. President Donald Trump claimed he had seen evidence that the virus came from a laboratory in China will look at exactly where it came from who it came from how it happened. Separately and also scientifically. So we're going to be able to find at my question is. Have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the Wuhan Institute of Urology was the origins virus? Yes that's not what Mr Trump's own intelligence services have suggested they say they've seen no evidence of genetic engineering and that's what scientists are saying so far too but the story is nowhere near complete before the initial outbreak. In a Chinese city of Wuhan. The trail goes cold. There's much more than a blame game at stake here. Finding out exactly how. This latest corona virus made the leap into humans is vital putting a stop to future outbreaks over the last twenty years. Humans have been hit three times by Corona viruses that cools fatalities. Natasha Luder is our health policy editor. The first signs of trouble were in two thousand two. When saws entered human population. The second sign of trouble was in two thousand twelve when mesmerized somewhere in the Middle East and now the question everybody in the Raji and epidemiology wants answered is where exactly Saws Kobe. To the virus that causes coded nineteen came from are the potential origins of this corona virus. Well the main theory is that this virus jumped from an animal probably in the city of Wuhan towards the end of last year another theory. Is that the spillover event as they're called happened somewhere else and the virus actually has been spreading in humans unnoticed for some time and it arrived in the food markets on was simply kind of amplified in the unsanitary conditions that the Wuhan Market was Warren of little shops. The animals are being gutted that kept in cages on top of each other and it sounds really kind of unsanitary. The third theory which is seen as less likely is that it leaked from Lavar trade. That was handling viruses. And why is it so important to address that question specifically the origin question? A number of reasons the most important being that if there's a precursor virus that is circulating currently in an animal now in China it could jump over into humans again and could cause another outbreak if we can find out how this virus jumped over into humans the maybe we can stop these kind of things happening again in the future. Where does the research point so far with the current state of play in terms of an origin most human corona viruses like saws covy to have animal origins both saws original saws on murders that ancestral virus was about that bat virus then transferred into an intermediate animal and then jumped into humans? We already know that there is a bat virus that look similar to size covy too so we have some clues that are pointing in that direction too. Why is the hunt on for an intermediate animal? Why is it so certain? Hasn't come directly from bats. Well it is possible that it came directly from bats but the fact is the humans. Don't have much contact with bats. And so the way that we have had viruses before that have ultimately oath origin tobacconists through an intermediate species with Mas. The Bat virus jumped into camels in the case of Sauce. Kofi we don't know what the intermediate species is this being a lot of speculation people wondering about penguins. We know that it's the virus could transfer into cats. It could be any of a number of animals. You keep saying jumping and transference. How exactly does that happen? I is it changing all the time. And so if you imagine you've got a virus in a bat and every time it reproduces though be an era a genetic mutation and so they changed. Just slowly through random mutation. That's one way but if there are two different viruses in the SAIMAA animal on Bass do carry a number of different current viruses. What happens is the two different viruses can exchange genetic information through something called recombination and recombination allows for kind of big shifts in the way that a virus works and so you can exchange loss of genetic material between two devices will unavoidable questions. Here is the line of inquiry about not having been a complete random event about it being engineered in a lab some conspiracy theorists would suggest scientists have looked at at theory Eliana and they dismissed quite quickly and said it just doesn't like it's been genetically engineered if you were going to genetically engineered virus you would take bits of. Barr says that exist you Bolton together to create something new and that isn't the case this sequences completely novel. It looks like it's the product of some sort of naturally evolutionary process. So we can rule out the genetic engineering but we can't rule out is a laboratory release a tall. There's no doubt that to laboratories in will hand were working with back Corona viruses. But some people have pointed out that with lots of people handling bats in these laboratories. Isn't it possible that the bat virus jump straight from the baton to human who is infected in some kind of laboratory accident and who then carried it into the city of Wuhan Festival? It's very difficult. Proven negative and so one of the concerns about this hypothesis is while it's a completely reasonable question to ask. The question has become quite political. Nasty Way I'm not ready to rule out the possibility of a laboratory origin but I think it has to be one of the less likely options that we are pursuing. If we'RE GONNA get distracted by essentially politicians trying to score points win. Lose sight of the science questions which important public health will permit to be distracted. Though you say people are in these high security labs that is to say these leaks. Don't happen I mean truly they do. Yeah I mean we get leagues all the time. You have leaks from arteries around the world. The math outbreak in Britain came from laboratory. You've had saws escape in China twice. You've had outbreaks in US laboratories. I mean remember the Dod. It managed to send live anthrax in the post to over two hundred countries around the world. I think you need to take a step back Jason. When saws broke out when I broke out when AIDS broke out there. Were PEOPLE READY WITH SERIOUS. These genetically engineered viruses and they all turned out not to be true and so it is a very human thing to speculate that that's swear novel virus comes from but all I can turn back to is science and say while it doesn't look like one. Do you have a sense of science will ever pin this down? We'll we know what the intermediate animal was or or indeed could be or where we might expect to see future corona viruses pop out and be able control that in some way. So I'm not to mistake. I think we will get to all of these questions. One thing we do is we can start looking at blood samples from humans going back into November and figuring out if they have antibodies to saws copay. And that would give us some idea of whether this virus really did start on that focal point of the Wuhan market which it may not have done or were circulating more widely in Wuhan off further beyond what scientists also need to do is interview in detail. The early cases for that. Some cooperation from the Chinese would be very useful. I do have concerns the that the charge nature of the debate is making it more difficult for the Chinese to be supportive open and welcoming to outside scientific inquiry exchange of information between scientists happened before this and it will happen after this. I would guess it would be happening. A little bit more consistently and openly. Were not for the fact that this has become such a political hot potato
Fresh Air
China’s coronavirus - Here’s what we know
"This is fresh air I'm Terry gross the new corona virus that emerged in Wuhan China has killed almost five hundred people and prompted the Chinese government to impose severe travel restrictions within the country the virus has spread to at least twenty four other countries including the U. S. American air carriers have suspended flights to and from China the US government is barring from entering the country any foreign nationals who visited China within last fourteen days our guest science writer David Coleman says the new corona virus is just the latest example of an ominous trend humans contracting deadly contagious viruses from wild animals other examples include H. I. V. west Nile fever anthrax bola and another from the corona virus family sars severe acute respiratory syndrome which also emerged in China and killed more than seven hundred people David common has written frequently for National Geographic and is the author of several books including spillover animal infections and the next human pandemic he spoke with fresh tears Dave Davies well David common welcome back to fresh air yeah this is scary stuff this virus and it's also a very fast moving story you and I are talking on Tuesday afternoon things may change a bit by time people hear it but us a sense of how serious the threat is of this virus compared to other outbreaks we've seen well it is very serious and needs to be taken very seriously and yet it's not an occasion for panic it's an occasion for calm effective response comparing it to other viral outbreaks he is is illuminating in some ways and problematic in other ways compared say to influence every year there's a seasonal influenza sweeps around the world F. infects hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people kills something like thirty thousand or thirty five thousand people in the US every year and yet it has a very low case fatality rate case fatality rate how many diaper the number of people infected it's down I think usually around point one percent a tenth of a percent sars virus that emerged from southern China with the syndrome caused by a virus that emerged from southern China in two thousand three a severe acute respiratory syndrome it infected eight thousand people a little over eight thousand and it killed seven hundred and seventy four for case fatality rate of almost ten percent in other words a hundred times seasonal influenza the average seasonal influenza and it scared the be Jesus out of the public health and disease scientist experts that I know they told me that that was a really scary one because the case fatality rate was so high and it spread quickly but they managed to stop it and we can talk a little bit about that so here's this novel coronavirus as they're calling it to two thousand nineteen novel coronavirus and it comes in somewhere between those two case fatality rates and that is one of the most important numbers at the experts have been watching and I've been watching over the last week or two as the numbers of infected people have exploded and the number of deaths have increased steadily the case fatality rate has hovered moving downward slowly from about three percent to a little over two percent now and it it is still very unpredictable we don't know how many people it's gonna infect and therefore how many people it's gonna kill but it's in the range that that requires being taken very seriously so let's look at what's what officials are doing to try and contain this novel coronavirus and your describes what what's happened in China China was slow to react to this particularly the officials in the city of Wuhan and the province of who by and then the course got out of the barn and the national officials reacted strongly and sealed off essentially first the city of Wuhan and then a number of other cities so I think there's more than fifty million people who are essentially in locked down with no public transportation going in and out of those cities China has been cutting internal flights in and out and to other countries have been cutting flights international flights in and out of China the US in terms of flights of foreign nationals are barred from entering the U. S. if they have recently traveled to China and US citizens coming back from Wuhan or who day province are being quarantined for fourteen days which is the suspected incubation period of the virus other countries are eliminating flights in and out of China I saw this morning that Japan has eliminated flights in and out of China so there is this international curtailment of flights in and out of China and in some cases people are being screened at airports and in a limited number of cases people are being quarantined if they have been and bay province and and want to come back to the U. S. or to another country do all these seem like reasonable and appropriate steps to well the the controversial to some people but to me they do seem reasonable controlling containment is important at this point I don't think it's an infringement around do infringement on anybody's personal rights we have to control cases and monitor cases and trace contacts and any time the thirties learn that an infected person has written on an airplane and then then we headed off into the city where they've arrived medially there three hundred people roughly on that airplane who are contacts that have to be traced and have to be monitored if not isolated and the person who is to enter the city and has gone to his or her family and they're more context there that will immediately have to be traced that's what happened in Toronto early on during the sars epidemic one case got into Toronto and she spread the the infection rather widely as soon as she's gotten there right so so the steps that managed to bring the sars epidemic under control back in the early two thousands were exactly these kinds of steps exactly these kinds of steps we knew less about sars at the very beginning except that it there was some very dangerous infectious disease caused by an unknown pathogen that had come out of southern China to Hong Kong and gotten to Toronto Beijing Bangkok and one or two I think Hong Kong one or two other cities and then there was very rigorous no medical isolation and containment and contact tracing and public health officials were able to reduce the transmission rate of sars to a very low level now in terms of the average secondary cases caused by each primary case the average number of infections that each infected person cost they brought that to a very low level and essentially they stopped the sars outbreak right now they've been some rip reporting suggesting that the trump administration has over the last couple years reduced the government's ability to fight a viral epidemic do you have an opinion about that yes I think it's I think it's well documented in the trunk budgets and it's been I think disastrous for the CDC and for our preparedness my understanding is that trumps twenty twenty budget proposed cutting one point three billion from the CDC budget that's twenty percent below the twenty nineteen level in the twenty nineteen level contained cuts of seven hundred fifty million including I look this up recently including a proposed cut of a hundred and two million specifically for emerging and zoonotic diseases which is what this is so the trump administration budgets have been hamstring the CDC and our ability to react to circumstances just like this course budget proposals aren't always inactive your point is well taken that budget proposals don't necessarily translate into approve budgets but the effort has been there by the trump administration to reduce drastically the CDC and I think that they have succeeded to a very great degree there's been around understandably on protective masks and gloves should should people be trying to get them what's it's a it's a sign of panic that there has been around but there has been I went into my local drug store here in Bozeman Montana yesterday to see if I could buy some masks to take with me just in case when I fly to Australia on Thursday I thought well what if on the way back a typhoon re routes me through China or something so I thought I would carry some masks my local drug store was sold out of masks and that has happened a lot of places around the country is that called for I would say no despite the fact that I was one person trying to buy some is and you know an emergency travel precaution but masks particularly the simple surgical mask that you see on so many people specially travelers I hear the experts saying that those are very helpful in containing the spread of infected droplets from people who are infected containing costs containing CSE sneezes buy a sick person but much much much less effective in protecting a well person from the sneeze is coming out of another person so in other words where mask if you're sick if you're coughing as a courtesy to people around you don't be nearly as concerned about wearing a mask just as a preventive when you step on an airliner go to a big store right I think the CDC our recommends that ordinary civil citizens don't really need to worry about masks but health workout probably should I think this I think the CDC is also saying look ordinary people we have a shortage of masks let those masks be used by health care workers who need them most rather than wearing and when you go to the hardware store David common is a science writer and the author of the book spillover animal infections in the next human
Fresh Air
Bat Soup, Anyone? How Viruses Transfer From Animals To Humans - Yahoo News
"Let's get back to the interview. Fresh air's Dave Davies recorded yesterday with science writer. David common about the new Corona Rona virus epidemic which broke out in Wuhan China. Kwame ince's the corona virus is just the latest example of how were increasingly contracting dangerous. Viral infections since from animals in his book spillover published in Twenty twelve kwame attractive viruses spilled over from animals to infect humans with HIV West S. Nile fever anthrax. Bola and another from the corona virus family SARS severe acute respiratory syndrome which also emerged in China China. You know you're right. That as scientists tried to track down the source of the SARS virus back in two thousand three and four. They focused on this practice in southern China of eating and in some cases raising wild animals. Not kind of things that you typically think of as food or or where we don't want to just explain this trend and how it figured you're into this yes There is a vogue. There has been a vogue for eating wildlife wild animals when I was in Southern China researching searching the book only briefly. I got to see some of these markets. Where all form of wild animal were on sale A lot of the trade by the time I got there had gone underground because it was suppressed after the SARS outbreak but then it gradually came back and it had been allowed to continue in you again and proliferate win this new virus began but if you go into a live market and you see cages containing bats stacked upon cages containing porcupines stacked upon cages containing palm civics stacked upon cages containing chickens and hygiene is not great and and the animals are defecating on one. Another it's just a natural mixing bowl situation for viruses. It's very very dangerous situation and and one of the things that it allows. Dave is something that we haven't mentioned. I think so far and that is the occurrence of of amplifying hosts hosts that are not the reservoir host the permanent hiding ground of a new virus but represent intermediates between the reservoir of our host and the human population for instance those horses in Australia. From the point of view of a horse they were ultimate hosts and they were being killed by this virus but from the human point of view they were amplifier hosts the virus got into them it multiplied abundantly it caused them to froth and Chauque and bleed through their nostrils veterinarians and trainers. Were trying to take care of them. They amplified the virus. So that One trainer in one stable form and got very sick from that virus in the case of this new corona virus. One of the questions is was there. An amplifier host in that wet market where these cages are stacked are called wet markets white wire called wet markets. Well assume they're called wet markets because the animals are alive alive rather than butchered and in dead and refrigerated They're also wet. Because there's there's water flowing everywhere. They usually have seafood as well as as wild mammals and birds As I said hygiene isn't great. Animals are being butchered on plywood. Boards blood is flowing down into the gutters in the water and there is just a great Liquidity Mix in these markets at at their worst now when scientists were trying to track down the origin of the SARS virus Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome which was associated with the virus in in the early two thousands. They eventually focused focused on something called the civic cat What is that? That's right the civic cat is not really a cat. It's more accurately called the palm palm civic the civic type of mammal that belongs to the to the family of Mongooses But it's a it's a medium sized animal and and it is both captured from the wild for food and captive bred and raised for food And it was the first big eggs suspect of In the SARS outbreak It was found that some of the people who got sick very early on had eaten a butchered civic and so in the civic head though the the antibody for this this virus right and they and they tested him civics and they found they found evidence of the virus. They found antibodies. Antibodies or fragments of DNA A. R. N. A.. In these civics suggesting that they had been infected with the virus and That didn't prove they were the reservoir host but it made them the number one suspect until a couple of Chinese scientists did further work and they established that in fact virus was not living permanently in the civic population in the wild or in captivity. It was it had a different reservoir host it was living in bats and it had passed presumably market somewhere it had passed from a bat into one or more sits and they became the amplifier host. Right and the the Chinese government I think decreed that all sits in captivity would be slaughtered. Right that's right. Thousands of sits in captivity were butchered an an electric electrocuted and and smothered and drowned In this I panicked blind reaction in China to the SARS outbreak. Now when you were looking at you actually went to China with and spent some time in the field with people who were investigating this right. Tell us tell us about that experience. I I went. I went with a fellow named Alexi. Kamara was working as a researcher for a group. That's called ECO health alliance based in New York A group of disease scientists who study see these emerging viruses these emerging pathogens in animals around the world. They generally have cross training in Virology Veterinary Medicine Ecology combinations nations of skills so Alexi was one of them Alexi and a number of Chinese colleagues and I flew to a city called Gua Lynn In the province of Guangdong southern China and we went out climbing into into caves that caves in the karst mountains the limestone stone mountains and hills outside of the city of Gwynn Looking to trap Various different kinds of small bats insectivores bats not giant fruit bats Small bats at lived in these caves including Horseshoe bats which is a particular group of bats so that Alexi and his colleagues could draw draw blood samples and test those for Looking for the SAR SARS virus that point or or any other virus that suspect unit. Just describe a little bit of what what it felt like to be trapping bats and these caves well. It was a little bit claustrophobic. It's not for everybody. Had Castle Castro. We climbed through. We climbed on our bellies through a very low hole to get into one of these caves. We had we had to squirm down and then and up through this whole to get into the cave and then the cave opened out and Alexi and his Chinese colleagues had essentially pillowcases and butterfly nets. And that's how we caught these bats. The Bat started flying around and they would catch them in butterfly nets and they were wearing gloves and and they would untangle a bat from a butterfly net and then Drop it into one of these cloth bags that were like pillowcases. And in this case as I recall they they would tire tied the knot often then handed to me and I would go over and and hanging on sort of a clothesline. So that the bad dangle and we were doing this I don't know if we were in there for a couple of hours oddly enough. We were not wearing masks of any sort we were not wearing with the called. Personal Protective Equipment has met suits or anything and and described this in the book. I asked Alexi. Why the hell
Fresh Air
How Coronaviruses Jump From Animals To People: David Quammen Explains
"The new corona virus that emerged in Wuhan China has killed almost five hundred people and prompted the Chinese government to impose severe travel restrictions within the country the virus has spread to at least twenty four other countries including the U. S. American air carriers have suspended flights to and from China the US government is barring from entering the country any foreign nationals who visited China within last fourteen days our guest science writer David Coleman says the new corona virus is just the latest example of an ominous trend humans contracting deadly contagious viruses from wild animals other examples include H. I. V. west Nile fever anthrax bola and another from the corona virus family sars severe acute respiratory syndrome which also emerged in China and killed more than seven hundred people David common has written frequently for National Geographic and is the author of several books including spillover animal infections and the next human pandemic he spoke with fresh tears Dave Davies well David common welcome back to fresh air yeah this is scary stuff this virus and it's also a very fast moving story you and I are talking on Tuesday afternoon things may change a bit by time people hear it but us a sense of how serious the threat is of this virus compared to other outbreaks we've seen well it is very serious and needs to be taken very seriously and yet it's not an occasion for panic it's an occasion for calm effective response comparing it to other viral outbreaks is is illuminating in some ways and problematic in other ways compared say to influence every year there's a seasonal influenza sweeps around the world F. infects hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people kills something like thirty thousand or thirty five thousand people in the US every year and yet it has a very low case fatality rate case fatality rate how many diaper the number of people infected it's down I think usually around point one percent a tenth of a percent sars virus that emerged from southern China with the syndrome caused by a virus that emerged from southern China in two thousand three a severe acute respiratory syndrome it's infected eight thousand people a little over eight thousand and it killed seven hundred and seventy four for case fatality rate of almost ten percent in other words a hundred times seasonal influenza the average seasonal influenza and it scared the be Jesus out of the public health and disease scientist experts that I know they told me that that was a really scary one because the case fatality rate was so high and it spread quickly but they managed to stop it and we can talk a little bit about that so here's this novel coronavirus as they're calling it to two thousand nineteen novel coronavirus and it comes in somewhere between those two case fatality rates and that is one of the most important numbers at the experts have been watching and I've been watching over the last week or two as the numbers of infected people have exploded and the number of deaths have increased steadily the case fatality rate has hovered moving downward slowly from about three percent to a little over two percent now and it it is still very unpredictable we don't know how many people it's gonna infect and therefore how many people it's gonna kill but it's in the range that that requires being taken very seriously so let's look at what's what officials are doing to try and contain this novel coronavirus and your describes what what's happened in China cities China has been cutting internal flights in and out and other countries have been cutting flights international flights in and out of China the US in terms of flights of foreign nationals are barred from entering the U. S. if they have recently traveled to China and US citizens coming back from Wuhan or who bay province are being quarantined for fourteen days which is the suspected incubation period of the virus other countries are eliminating flights in and out of China I saw this morning that Japan has eliminated flights in and out of China so there is this international curtailment of flights in and out of China and in some cases people are being screened at airports and in a limited number of cases people are being quarantined if they have been in bay province and and want to come back to the US or to another country do all these seem like reasonable and appropriate steps to you well the the controversial to some people but to me they do seem reasonable controlling containment is important at this point I don't think it's an infringement around do infringement on anybody's personal rights we have to control cases and monitor cases and trace contacts and any time the thirties learn that an infected person has written on an airplane and then we headed off into the city where they've arrived Lee there three hundred people roughly on that airplane who are contacts that have to be traced and have to be monitored if not isolated and the person who is to enter the city and has gone to his or her family and they're more context there that will immediately have to be traced that's what happened in Toronto early on during the sars epidemic one case got into Toronto and she spread the the infection rather widely as soon as she's gotten there right so so the steps that managed to bring the sars epidemic under control back in the early two thousands were exactly these kinds of steps exactly these kinds of steps we knew less about sars at the very beginning except that it there was some very dangerous infectious disease caused by an unknown pathogen that had come out of southern China to Hong Kong and gotten to Toronto Beijing Bangkok and one or two I think Hong Kong one or two other cities and then there was very rigorous no medical isolation and containment and contact tracing and public health officials were able to reduce the transmission rate in of sars to a very low level in terms of the average of secondary cases caused by each primary case the average number of infections that each infected person cost they brought that to a very low level and essentially they stopped the sars outbreak right now they've been some rip reporting suggesting that the trump administration has over the last couple years reduced the government's ability to fight a viral epidemic do you have an opinion about that yes I think it's I think it's well documented in the the trump budgets and it's been I think disasters for the CDC and for our preparedness my understanding is that trumps twenty twenty budget proposed cutting one point three billion from the CDC budget that's twenty percent below the twenty nineteen level in the twenty nineteen level contained to the cuts of seven hundred fifty million including I look this up recently including a proposed cut of a hundred and two million specifically for emerging and zoonotic diseases which is what this is so the trump administration budgets have been hamstring the CDC and our ability to react to circumstances just like this of course budget proposals aren't always inactive your point is well taken that budget proposals don't necessarily translate into approve budgets but the effort has been there by the trump administration to reduce drastically the CDC and I think that they have succeeded to a very great degree there's been around understandably on protective masks and gloves should should people be trying to get them what's it's a it's a sign of panic that there has been around but there has been I went into my local drug store here in Bozeman Montana yesterday to see if I could buy some masks to take with me just in case when I fly to Australia on Thursday I thought well what if on the way back of a typhoon re routes me through China or something so I thought I would carry some masks my local drug store was sold out of masks and that has happened a lot of places around the country is that called for I would say no despite the fact that I was one person trying to buy some this and you know an emergency travel precaution but masks particularly the simple surgical mask that you see on so many people specially travelers I hear the experts saying that those are very helpful in containing the spread of infected droplets from people who are infected containing coughs containing CSE sneezes buy a sick person but much much much less effective in protecting a well person from the sneezes coming out of another person so in other words where mask if you're sick if you're coughing as a courtesy to people around you don't be nearly as concerned about wearing a mask just as a preventive when you step on an airliner go to a big store right I think the CDC our recommends that ordinary civil citizens don't really need to worry about masks but health workout probably should I think this I think the CDC is also saying look ordinary people we have a shortage of masks let those masks be used by health care workers who need them most rather than wearing and when you go to the hardware store David common is a science writer and the author of the book spillover animal infections in the next human
The Frame
The Prince estate is releasing a new album
"Amid show, we talked with creative people about how, and why they do what they do and about how their arts is shaped by the wider world a little later today in Irish. Actress plays a Scottish singer wants to make it big Nashville in the film, wild, rose. But I win prince died suddenly in April of two thousand sixteen he didn't leave a will, but he did leave behind a treasure trove of unreleased music, since then his estate, and his family have, slowly started sifting through the vaults and releasing, some of the best fine, so far, this month other release of the album prince originals it was first released on the music site. Title now available everywhere, the album is comprised entirely of demos, prince recorded that were never intended to reach the public songs like this one. Like. That was the nineteen Eighty-four demo by prints of nothing compares to you. That song was originally recorded by the band. The family in nineteen five, the family was a group created by prince as an outlet for some of his music among the members with singer. Susannah Melvoin, she was also a backup singer collaborator and lover of Princess in the nineteen eighties. Welcome susannah. I was wondering if you'd had a chance to really sit and listen to this new release originals, and if so what your overall impressions of our as a full anthrax I did. And a couple of interesting feelings, I had about it when I first listened to it, which was some of them, specifically felt that they were designed specifically for projects. I remember at that time when he was doing some of these tracks. For instance, manic Monday being when it finally did go to the bangles it was originally for apple new six so I felt them, there were the finished twenty four track versions of these things that you never just threw out demos. They were finished produced tracks and then some of them felt very personal for instance. Nothing compares to you. When I first heard it this way, again with his vocal. That's how I heard. It when it came to me in the studio, and I was on my way to Los Angeles to do that vocal, the tar part on that is great. Our version had more space to it. We took that came out. It becomes an incredible arm. Be love ballad with Clare Fischer's string arrangements on it, but it's still has a lot of air, and it has a lot of breath. Let's hear a little bit of that nineteen eighty-five version of the print song nothing compares to you by the family between my guest Anna Melvoin. Do the. Mic gas. Nothing compared to you when it was given to us. It was just heart wrenching. You know, a for many, many reasons because I was also involved with him at the time. So it felt communicative and it felt personal. And, and it was there was a, a woman that worked with him by the name of sandy Scipione, who is his personal system at the time who had a death in the family and she needed to leave. And so he was feeling this longing and loss from sandy leaving. And also we'd had a rift and. That is a deeply powerful song for me for everyone. I think so too anniversary. And if for Sinead, who when she heard this, I know that her manager had called, and I spoke with Sinead years later when and horizon, she had just been loving the family record. She wanted to do a cover of it, and she'd had her manager, call prints and say we want to do this cover and, and here's something that's very unique for him that he said. Yes to it. When someone calls and says, I want to do a cover of your song that would never happen. He was the ultimate social worker for his music. He felt that these needed to go these songs or his children. He would say needed to go to the right family to raise these songs raise these kids. I mean, it had deeper fem- than just offering songs out like you can't call me and ask me for this kid. I have to vet you. And if he didn't vet. You didn't know you didn't have a relationship with you. He wasn't going to give that up right? So but because nothing compares to you had been released on the way he want, I the way he wanted it, but it was already out into the public sphere. It's almost like once he's given it away. He's allowed it to sort of sprout itself. Susannah Melvoin is a singer songwriter, we've been talking about her collaborations with prince and much more will you, of course, new prince intimately as a person, I think you were engaged for a time and as an artist as well. And we know. No, that he was fierce in proclaiming his independence, from record labels. And from the music business in general that he was known to be exacting in the studio. And exact a lot of control over the release of his music, and his high quality and wonderful as these posthumous recordings are originals and piano and a microphone. Do you have any idea how he would feel about their release? It would never have happened. It would never have happened. The, the man that I know would have never let anyone have sort of allegiance or license to do anything with his music. So to have released anything just because someone wanted to release these, they need to be heard. It wouldn't have happened. If that makes sense then do you struggle then with sitting here and talking about it. Do I struggle with it? I