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Whats next for the Memphis Grizzlies? w/ Joe Mullinax

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Whats next for the Memphis Grizzlies? w/ Joe Mullinax

"Welcome to another edition removes podcast. I'm your host Mark Schindler joined as always by my co host nature orgy. Before, we get going today just a reminder. If you haven't already please be sure to rate and review on the APP on the APP on Apple Pie wheelhouse state. Now please view on apple podcast scribe anywhere else you can get our podcast and of course, rea- supreme, Moves Dot Org and thank you for listening As we Kinda roll in. We're continuing our off-season previews Kinda season review wrap up just kind of getting a gauge of where each teams at and where they're headed. And today really cycle joined by friend of Mine Joe. Molin acts who is the cited are over at espy nation. Grizzlies. Is GonNa be fun. Combo man I I I'm really excited about the grizzlies where they're headed I'm sure you are too just from talking to you. How are you doing joe? I'm doing okay. Yeah. I'm excited as well. It's It's always good to talk to you and and have opportunity to talk hoops and you know be around younger people in the blocks everytime every I talked to you and others like people on my staff Parker Fleming, my associate editor and I feel very old at times the youth coming in man. Yeah. I know I feel like about to be pushed out I'm like the Andre Iguodala of blogging will, hey, at least you're actually participating in your blog to the helps. True. Hey, mail throw shaded any way possible. So it's it's a it's something that you know like I tell people I haven't lived in Memphis over six years now, and it's it's my way of still virtually being connected to the city because I had such a good experience there. So I'll keep doing it as long as you know it work in dictates with family and all that stuff as long as I can keep that balance as best I can I'll keep now separately So nate word, where do you WANNA get cracking as we start off today. I think it's best if we recap the season overall encounters talk about. The young. The surplus, a young players says, and just see the seasons they had what we can expect going forward Star guests on star with like just the I want to start with John, I have to start Joe Arcade talk about the bubble so I mean. We all know the story they were they were. Jaren Jackson Junior. Injury that really impacted them and Titus Jones an justice winslow yet. And you know they would have just decimated by injuries not Grayson Allen Link thirty minutes again of it. Good. By the way, we'll get him but. You know they just they slipped out of the postseason, but you know they have their bill was the right thing. I think they're really good young group and I mean I guess we can. Judge. Judges. Oh. My God like I was. So hired him coming out I really thought there was a conversation to be had. He should go one. At kind of dismissed it. But even Steven expectations that already super high on just unbelievable season. You don't see that kind of stuff rookie point guards. And I think that something to remember is that as a rookie point guard, he had his team to wins away from the playoffs You know that is something in addition to the numbers that he put up the fact that he played winning basketball a decent amount in his rookie campaign and there is a little bit of shade trae. Young. there. It's easy than maybe easy. The wrong word but I think it's a lot harder especially when you're in a position jaw was where you quickly become you know going into the season you know the debate over a Grizzly bear blues and other places on twitter as WHO's the best player on this team you know and I think a lot of people like Joe Jonas Valid Judas like maybe maybe he's the best player on this team but. About a month into the season, it became clear that it was John Moran and you could argue the best two way players Jaren Jackson Junior. But in terms of overall impact in terms of the offense being orchestrated masterfully at times by a guy that just turned twenty, one you know I it's impressive to see what he was physically capable of doing and the way that he not just highlight dunks in trying to destroy Aron Baynes and. Kevin love and all the things that a lot of people you know see the flashes of on highlight reels the leadership you know he has a very memphis story I. Think I've talked about that before the fact that he went from side gyms in a you tournaments to Murray state to being the number two pick in the draft you know the grizzlies are very much as the smallest market or one of the smallest markets in the NBA they they've always have that chip on their shoulder and John Morand habitually has that chip on his shoulder so whether he's taking former. Do, a tell that M. F. or about me or whether he's like, I said trying to dunk on all stars like Kevin, love like he just does not give a damn to be honest with you about anybody else but his team and he's one of those guys that you're GonNa love to play with. He's one of those guys that you're gonNA hate playing against but I think people respect the way that he came up and whereas maybe that attitude would. Be. Kinda cross at times because I do think that would be a fair argument to make like if I was on an opposing team and I was like oh he just talked James. Harden like that and he saw a little bit of that at times. But I think people as you watch jaw he he's just so he's joy on a basketball court. It reminds me of like watching Magic Johnson play and I don't mean they're similar players I mean in the way that they play the game. in terms of the energy, they carry the way they carry themselves, conduct themselves on the floor It really is comparable in terms of the happiness that comes from that style of play and and I I think the best part of John Morand is there still a lot he can improve that I think that he can be at work the net neutral defender I think you can make the argument now that he's a net neutral defender but. If you want to say he's below average I. think that's fair but he has room to grow. He certainly has room to develop a three point shot. We saw flashes of that times. It's not like he's at a loss 'cause on that end can get better and I think that's one of the brightest spots about John Rant is he's nowhere near a finished product and he's willing to put in the work and there's evidence that he's done that because that's How he got his first place. Yeah. There are. There is a great point. I think you know I can't speak as much on Magic Johnson but at him like I see a lot of the good version of see Francis just that you're insane like frenetic energy on the court and I do I, just love. Washington. I agree I think the big thing stuck out for me is that I I had a lot of questions about some point shot. Coming out of Murray State and it was it was solid this year it was like right about league average and he took a decent amount of them. So I was I was really happy with that I. Think the biggest thing is that he tries defense. I liked that how because like you mentioned with trae young that's definitely a point that sticks with me a lot doesn't even try but yeah, I I'm really excited about about John Who fucking. Happy. Nate I know you have lots of jobs while. I've been nothing else really to step on each other's here. But I mean Memphis. Clearly has a franchise cornerstone piece build around a lot of teams that we'd building and you have a collection were young guys as you don't really have like the Guy Memphis has that guy and now you just you build around fit together. What seems going to work perfectly with him just fix it and Jauregui asked you says, the way job plays a time scared shitless sometimes just dress the jumper everything and anything. I've vocalized some concern about the way that he falls and I've been made fun of for it because a memphis. I lived in Memphis for three years. That's my connection to the Grizzlies undyed obviously fell pretty hard in the three years that I was there that I'm still doing this I think that it's a memphis mentality to kind of have you know the old grit and grind era thing before what's happening now you know there's a toughness to Memphis that they see that they say, oh, he's just Duncan. He's just playing. He's just you know he's GonNa be fine I I do think that he'll be okay in the long run. I, don't necessarily view him as an injury hazard like I might view other players like I on Williamson, for example, who know if he doesn't lose. Weight and that doesn't mean that he's fat. He's just so thick muscular big like he just has to find a way to either cut some of that weight down Ross. He's GonNa be injured a vast majority of the time whereas John Rant he he's in a spot where he can refine his game like he won't have to do those things. If he develops a three point shot, that's more consistent. The thing about Jive is the book is out on him and you saw it in the bubbly times teams going under screens, not giving him that opened lane that he wants. But even with that being the defensive game plan half the time he gets to the basket whenever he wants. The Sex Panther from anchorman sixty percent of the time works every time. It's It may not make sense but in terms of like every other possession, even though they know that he is not strong from the perimeter and they're going under screens, he can get in the paint. He understands how to maneuver his body and get to the lane, and now he's not getting the calls that James Harden or somebody like that gets yet but I think you'll earn them after the rookie. Campaign continuing to play the way that he does but the point is if they can surround him with shooters Jaren. Jackson. Juniors. Obviously a pretty excellent shooter dylann Brooks is a little bit outside of his ideal role, but I think he's proven his worth at times with the grizzlies shooter They have talent in place around job, and if they can do attitude and build it over the long term. They really gonNA create even more opportunities for him to just be electrifying and really play to his strengths, attacking the basket dishing on undergo penetration out to the corner out to the key and just trying to give these guys as open of looks as possible from three. They've got some of those guys they need more of those guys but they also have draft picks in place. They've conveyed Pick Boston finally from the Jeff Green Trade five years ago. That's finally done and over with so their draft capital is back they earn are they got the? Additional I from the Mike Conley Trade, which was an awesome trade for Memphis, in hindsight they got a first for free and the Golden State Warriors and twenty twenty four is likely when that will convey a taking on Andrei with his contract. So. We talk a lot about rookie of the year Djalmir aunt, we have an executive of the year Zach climate who finished sixth in the executive of the year voting and a lot of people probably never even heard of that guy but he had a phenomenal I six twelve to eighteen months because it's kind of known that he gets credit for the Marhsall trade even though Chris Wallace still GM there's. A lot of young talent both on and off the Court in Memphis you've got zach climbing got Taylor Jenkins who had a hell of a season Jaren. Jackson Juniors younger than John. Moran even though he's a in the NBA jaw was rookie You guys mentioned Grayson a little while ago. There's a lot of the Anthony Melt somebody that could or could not be back I would imagine he will be if the price is. Right and it's phenomenal guys because eighteen months ago or I guess even longer now a little over around two years ago. If you told me that that was possible, I would have laughed your face because it was looked like the grizzlies were in line for a really long rebuild and don't get me wrong winning the lottery next desire on a second intermission second runner up or first runner up in little and the lottery. Helps, but you know the Marcus, all trade was well done. The Mike Conley. TRAE was well done. The fact that got the Anthony Melton for essentially nothing the up and down the list. I can give you examples of this front office really putting his organization at a place now that they have John Moran, they can build well around him and they can develop a sustained success in standard that they talk about pretty often. Yet hitting brain Clark, it's only wants to that's a that's a great example. Yeah So I guess that kind of category spark leads a just a few more like young players that they have that. Are Interesting to talk about Jackson. We're talking about Jerry extra. That's why. Are. On Him. I think. I am the nate just from what are talking I think higher on Jerry Jackson Junior despite what else? Not just because I have Michigan state ties but because you ranked on and on prosperous I did do that I'm comfortable saying that I don't care I don't care I saw look Joe I. saw that look. Do just what he can do I mean his three point shooting from this year was nuts. I know he's a he's a project on defense. I think there's this ideal because people played UK a lot that this guy's really long he can block shots he can get his hand on the boxes, any block shots I mean, he's ready to that but his positioning isn't great. He fouls the. Everything that walks, but he got a lot better at that over like the second half of the year he was a lot better at that. Obviously needs the bulk up a little bit still like I know I keep talking myself into a hole now in terms of putting him out of Zion, I just think in terms of you look at. A lot of that is. On injury risk, I wouldn't have him out of Zion. Let's be real there. But in terms of what during can do I mean what he showed attacking closeouts this year I mean his handle first of all his handle and his shot or Wonky as hell but they work and I love it and I I think he's going to be I think you could be better than job personally I know Jr is the more important position technically but I'm just I. I can't express enough how much I love your Jackson junior and I would bargain the entire state of a franchise for decades to get that dude on the team. The thing about Jaren that I really like is that his personality fits really well next to jaw because I agree with you I think in terms of being a two way player. Jaren Jackson. I forget the exact number of Grizzlies PR put a staff that he had gotten hurt. He would have set the record for the most made threes and the most blocked shots like combining or he would be like the first one to have two hundred, fifty, nine threes in one hundred block shots something like that he would have been the youngest ever do that So when it comes to Unicorns, you know there's kristaps, Porzingis, Karl Anthony towns, and there's Judy Unicorns a phrase gets learn around a lot but I think those are the three guys in the NBA that have size that can also handle I'm glad you brought up his handle mark in the bubble. He blew by smaller bigs like they were trying to defend him with smaller wings like three slash four Combo guys because he so perimeter based and he would dry So if you actually put a center on, they don't have a chance he has a decent enough handle that he can get to the basket in in Memphis people were concerned about his rebounding I wanna say it was my problem I pray to always mispronounce his name I've had him on our podcast. I just know because. Yeah. A he obviously had espionage ties and we've had him on our podcast I've been on on. There's a couple of times and you know he he talks about rebounding being more team stat moving forward and I agree with that completely especially, a Memphis I don't give a damn that he's six foot eleven essentially wing who isn't agreed rebounder you. Know Dirk Nowitzki wasn't a great rebounder at first either and he got better. But at the same time, you know even if he never improves, you can replace that in the aggregate UNICEF. Balance Sureness is a great example of that. That's a good senator. Put Next Jaren long term if you think Jeremiah five than, yeah, he needs to get better is A. But if your plan is to always kind of have a balance Eunice asked guy that can eat the glass and then have a justice winslow or the Anthony Melton. Those guys that are good rebounding wings doesn't hurt you as much. The germs not as strong for rebounders we need to get better there, but I'm much more impressed with his range from three with his ability to handle with his ability to defend when not fouling I agree with you. That's still a problem. I in terms of overall impact I think jaw has the personality to be a superstar is clearly going to be the AL on that team. He's going to be the leader but I think Jaren can definitely be better two way player and he also has the personality that he won't really care that he's not the star of the giants he just wants to play and you know he's much more personality wise easygoing. He's really showing leadership in Memphis he's leading voting registration efforts. I think Grizzlies Pr Santa something today saying that he's going to vote tomorrow. In the media's invited like he got award the Secretary of State in. Tennessee. For voting. So he he's somebody that has a personality in a makeup that really fits in Memphis as well just in a different way in. MEMPHIS. Really fortunate that when they drafted Urine Junior, I didn't love the pick is that was still back when they were saying that they were trying to be good Arkansas was still on the team icon new storm team and I didn't see the value in taking a project who I thought could be good but I knew he wasn't good now. I mean two years into that. He's much better offense than any of us thought he would be has a little bit. He's a little bit worse defensively, but he's still shows flashes of what everybody was so high on so I think that with him I'm with you completely, he could have the potential to be a better two way player than jaw he'll never be the star of the JAW is a memphis definitely I mean Jaren is the prototypical modern NBA big he just is. jaw is arguably if he can develop a three point shot, he's a skill set or two away from being the prototypical NBA point guard and got both of those guys on your sat on your roster including restricted free agency for at least the next six or seven years. So that's a that's a big positive. Triple his ceiling is just through the roof lake. This got ridiculous to a potential and coming out. I thought this guy was just going to be a bona fide like superstar defender immediately like we said it hasn't worked out that way I mean he's played full years in league. Now he's made massive streisand's the shooter like these aren't just catch and shoot threes like they're setting actions for come off of volume. Exactly. Yeah. Shucks it. Yeah and I mean you literally Chuck's it. It's a it's a weird transient worries. Works man it I mean he's still only twenty while he just turned twenty one. So it all two full years in the League twenty one years showing massive improvement I mean I love the guy and I think we all do. The last young guy, really WanNa talk about before moving into the off season and decisions they have to make I. Guess we mentioned earlier Brandon Clark who? Just another testament to their front office you know twenty one overall findings guy that they've played a bunch. This year a very unique skill set. I would say unbelievably athletic great lob threat and probably takes more photos. I've ever seen from big man has kind of weird but it works and he's great. Adam he's just you know great role player to have one of those guys that they're going to try to keep around for years. I think role players the big the big phrase there. There are times where they tried to make brandon a starter and because of injury and fairness to brandon and it just did were He did not look good in that role, but you could he was dark or six, six man the year candidate times for the grizzlies here. Obviously, the guys that were ahead of him deserved of but Brandon was that impactful as a reserve and I do think that's his ideal use moving forward Guy Twenty, two, twenty, four minutes off the bench. Gives. You energy that lobbed threat the you're talking about extreme switch ability defensively him and Jaren both to guard perimeter players. No problem You know the the image that stands out in my mind is when Jason Blocked Lebron, James and his rookie year to stick in a beat the Lakers no-brainer Clark can do similar things. He's not as tall as long as Jaren obviously but he has the same footwork. He has the same lateral agility and movement to be able to make those kinds of plays. I like Brandon long term in that reserve as kind of like a mantras herald six man I think he can be better both better. I wouldn't already take him over hero which yeah I I think he's better than Harrell in that role but I think that's his role I don't know he can't create his own shot. He struggles from three in the bubble and especially in that last game against Portland, he actually did better than many people thought he would shooting from the corner, but that's not his game. He's more of that Mantras Herald six-man big type, but that's not a bad day I mean mantras arrows about pain as for playing that role for the clippers I. think There's value in Clark in that way and I've talked to enough people around the grizzlies around NBA media. You know whenever I float and idea what Brandon Clark's value isn't a trade. They direct message Mir, the email or text me, and they say, you're crazy. I wouldn't trade brand Clark. He's untouchable. So you know usually when you hear on the grizzlies players that are touchable, you'd think jaw Jaren but I think Brandon Clark is right there on the line at the very least and he might be untouchable in trade talks as well. Yeah, and they I know you want to move over to talking about free agency but the last player in the core that I really WanNa hit on Why I guess to number one valance Eunice really surprised me this year it's not like I. Ever thought that he was bad or anything. I. Mean We know what Jonas Valentina says at this time Jonas I should say. But I mean a you kept taking threes on I. Think it was like one and a half a game just under we writing our player of using I was going over his And I, mean he I I agree with you what you're saying on him being next to Jaren I really like him and the the idea of having kind of three base. You can kind of change up like that and we saw that a little bit with the rafters this year. And last year having Bach off the bench like obviously, you don't always WanNa have all your money divided up like that. But if you make a work I, like that versatility because I mean there were nights were valentinus would only play eighteen or twenty minutes instead of playing full as minutes because it made more sense to have Clark close. Games So like I really liked that versus move forward just kind of having an adult in the locker room and and on the court who knows what they're doing is going to. Going to be really solid and in their role But then in talking on last, we have thought about four free agencies, Brooks You know my thoughts on the books actually really liked him as a player as a his his intensity is awesome and I think he's very memphis type player. He's like pretty much this this this team's Tony Allen not at the same player at all but in terms of that mentality and and what he does to get the team going energy wise I think is huge. But I really. I'm very hopeful that he has like a Marcus smart trajectory instead of a Land Stevenson trajectory and he's able to kind of rain in that energy and focus on Not I mean I think it makes sense more that I thought about it. He was leading shots Acre this year but just in terms of moving forward I, think it'll be really interesting to me how game kinda out and if he's able to kind of. Improve his efficiency but I think one that just I I'm going on and on her here. But the last thing I would say that like you mentioned was that climate I don't remember if this was on climate but the move to get Dillon Brooks was huge. I mean, that's the Spanish I think getting a guy on a second round pick obviously mood over from Houston in the in the melting trae I believe correct. Or Dillon Brooks has been with the Grizzlies I. Think he was traded for I. think that's all he was traded for from Houston angry. Yeah but yeah and so I mean that's really the previous front office Oh. Yeah. Okay. Well, I forgot He does he just finished his third. signed a three year extension with Memphis. I. Think he's making roughly like twelve million a year. Moving, forward. Dylan is a player that is kind of polarizing among Grizzlies fans some people love him and see him as A. Alluding to what you talked about. He is kind of the Tony Allen of this generation of the grizzlies, not in the way that he plays but it in the way that his personality shines through. And don't make no mistake. The fact that he took as many shots as he did, that was designed at times you know during the media availabilities one of the things that I got to do in this hello year that is twenty twenty the fact that everything was virtual allows. I. Was able to do media again and I asked jaw. Dylan gets going you know that's something that you guys kind of get into and focus and Do you want to keep that momentum and he would he broke down for about two or three minutes. One of the better answers I've ever gotten out of a player he broke down for two and three minutes how he and coach we'll talk about getting dylan sets every other possession the try to keep him engaged and you know if he's has a hot hand now you WANNA ride that hot hand Dylan is. A streaky shooter you know that's what he is and that probably leads to that polarizing perspective of him when he's Red Hot you know Memphis is extremely tough to be when he's ice cold. He still has that same mentality. He keeps shooting you know and that's a gift and a curse. It's part of why he is where he is with the limited athletic ability that he has to be the PAC twelve player. Of, the year coming out of school being the second round pick nobody really gave him a shot to be this kind of player in the NBA yet. Here he is and I think that he's been asked to be too much for Memphis and it's not necessarily his fault. I think he's outside of his ideal role in a perfect world they find a shooting guard and the lottery next year it's a little. Bit Heavy in the lottery was shooting guards which would be good for the Grizzlies and if you had touched Jones Dillon Brooks and Brandon Clark as your core reserves behind starting lineup of job rant rookie shooting guard justice winslow Jaren. Jackson Junior in Yoenis found Tunis I. think that's a pretty tough group that's gonNa make some noise i. in the playoffs with a you know a third year jaw in a contract year Jaren. MEMPHIS is also going to have a lot of aspects twenty, twenty, one Mike after the League but you know their series running rampant that Y- Miami chases yoenis Dunkin Robinson at the to this Memphis Grizzlies team would be horrified. Oh my gosh. and. This would have the money to overpay him and wouldn't necessarily be overpaying 'cause John would have two more years on his rookie deal and I mean you could give Duncan Robinson two years or thirty or forty million dollar contract and you know you're still able to be capped sound for jaw needs money and brandon needs money. But you have two years of an elite shooter that's GonNa to create space for I. Mean the possibilities are endless so and that's just one example. There's other guys maybe not a you know a Hawaii Leonard or something like that, and that stack twenty, twenty, one class but those restricted free agents you know I think there's some possibility there and Memphis is going to have money to work with so. I really am impressed with Dylan in terms of what he's been asked to do he never bitched never complained. He always did his job and I think that once he's put in a better role, you'll see that efficiency improve. Yeah, I mean they just have so many young players that. They build around and. See what sticks in terms of role players and build on John. Triple. J, So go looking forward. To the offseason, next season and They don't have a first rounder like you mentioned US Little Austin as at heart you reach that feels like like I can't even remember last Jeff Green of Boston feels like twenty years but so they don't really have a big. Leap I, they might not know they. All they have is the number forty pick from the Phoenix Suns after the Melton Trade. Okay. So I guess, I wanNA start looking before we get into free agents. Justice winslow next season I mean he's obviously part of that crowd trade never played from this and he's just he's super interesting as does many ways you could deploy him. You can use them as a backup four and champion playmaker off the bench You can start them for defensive reasons. He asked offensive potential has always shown it, but he has essential start off the season ours career as known as infant soccer Mexican slips. But what do you project your role that season? He's going to be a starter at least he should be if if Joe Mullen ex is running the ministries, he'd be a starter and I think he will be they had big plans for am even in the bubble of before he got hurt again and it sucks when a guy snake bit and none of these injuries are connected to the hip displacement isn't connected to the knee issue that he added the back issue that he had. No, it's all just random things and you. Hope that he can kind of get past that I love that trade by the way. Yeah. What what Jae crowder became in Miami is nowhere near what he was in Memphis even if even even solid is a perfect tradeable sides license, but my point, I, agree with you still. But my point is he shot twenty nine percent from three in Memphis like and he shot more than Jaren Jackson Junior. Did he got more than Dillon Brooks did and he shot twenty nine percent so Memphis some members love him in his leadership qualities and all that stuff. But I was I was very happy to see that they got justice winslow for essentially nothing and no disrespect, the J. and Solomon. Solomon Hill was Memphis grizzly because he was better than miles plumlee That's the only reason he was there. And Andre with AL obviously never had any interest and being with the organization. So they essentially got just as winslow for Jae crowder and I'll take that trade hundred times out of one hundred I see them kicking the can down the road on this free agency class They'll have the mid level exception accenture essentially and they have to handle business with the Anthony Melton depending on what he gets in restricted free agency. Those are the two questions for Memphis moving forward the big ones and that will kinda dictate business moving forward. But no Gorky, Dang will be on the roster. He's going to be the highest paid player on the Grizzlies GonNa be hilarious. It's a testament to the cap work that this front office is done that Yoenis found is makes less money than Gordie Dang think about that in terms of the quality of player. In the fact, they're able to get a good contract. I think windows going to start I think Kyle Anderson started in the bubble out of necessity I don't know that he would have been a starter long-term maybe in the bubble he would have been of justice was healthy just because that's what the team was used to. But I think going into the next training Camp Justice Winslett makes too much sense for what they're trying to do as A. Secondary playmaker we talked about getting Dillon Brooks a chance to be more in his role. You know of justices there at the three Dylan's at the to could be as part of shooter. He can focus on catching shoot. He doesn't have to create off the dribble and do these things where he's putting himself beyond what he's capable of efficiently doing he physically can create his own shot, but he probably should. Mrs Winslow can create his own shot in physically be effective do it. You can get to the basket kick out the open shooters You know there's a lot of potential there with justice at that three, you mentioned him at the four I agree with that value there in terms of as a reserve, you know what he can do is defensive versatility. He's just a perfect fit for the grizzlies team. And if he doesn't work out if he continues to be injured, you don't WanNa often to his team option twenty, twenty one that's another thirteen million dollars it comes off the books and what did you lose for a guy that didn't want to be there a guy that played for you because he wasn't miles plumlee in Jake rather I think it's another win for that front office that winslow's in the fold. Yeah I agree and So I think you know looking at the biggest part of free agency is going GonNa be Anthony Mountain I mean unequivocally I I know in talking to you and I remember when you asked me what I thought he's going to get and just based on everything. I've heard it's going to be you probably slightly above the emily. and I see that and I know Nate Ni- have were both pretty high on yet then you mountain and it's hard to find people who aren't high on him But I wonder what your thoughts are on him in his free agency moving forward I know you feel a little bit differently or not like not the not to misquote you and I know you really appreciate him as a player but yeah, and I think if it's the Am L. E. I would keep him I i. think that's I wrote about that I do believe the is a number that he's worth and I. Would definitely a keep him around. You can't let twenty, one, twenty, two year old talented players who have shown that they're capable of playing winning basketball walk for nothing and I, don't think this front office will do that credit to them with the the lawn. Right for example, you know he was part of that UNICEF Judas trade he got to second rounders from Dallas and a sign and trade even if mountains not a part of your long term plans, I doubt they're gonNA. Let him just walk So they'll get something for the Anthony if he doesn't stay but I do think you'll. Stay because of the value he'll hold as a future asset. If you want to trade him if he doesn't get better, he's already as a defender already, really good transition. He's not a point guard I. THINK WE LEARNED THAT IN MEMPHIS and that's one of the reasons Phoenix was willing to give up on him. So fast I think they saw him as a point guard meant the season as an undersized shooting guard. You mentioned Marcus Smart with regard to Dillon Brooks I, think it's more apt comparison to Anthony Melt in terms of maybe not mentality which may were focusing more on but. In terms of his playing style I see Melton being that, I, think shooting can improve his stroke. You know we talked about the stroke other players being a little bit off. It's not like Melton shooting touches weird or off I think he just needs more wraps in development i. think he can grow as a shooter and again he's so young that doesn't make sense to just let him walk for nothing. It's not like you're dealing with a thirty three year old veteran that you're unsure if you WANNA, pay him for the next three years because you don't think he's going to improve. He's GonNa regress. At the very worst Melton is a good basketball player who's probably worth the emily right now, and if you sign him at that number, he has a pretty good shot at outperforming that contract. So he becomes a value deal that you could deal. If you do luck into a lottery pick, I say lock that would mean Memphis misses the playoffs again but this upcoming lottery is projected to be pretty stacked in terms of wings. No, that's an opportunity for you to add another piece. Maybe you can trade Melton and and get something else that you need or more picks down the road. If you like more than Brooks maybe you trade dylan. Again, this front office is made all sorts of deals that none of these contracts albatross. There's nothing that's garbage in the grizzlies books right now they just can't trade I would argue even Kyle Anderson who in my personal front office moves when I write about this week, I'm going to talk about it should be prioritized the trade kyle Anderson if you can. They have two more years on that deal and I think it's roughly eighteen or nineteen million dollars. It's not the kind of the basketball player. He was just signed by a previous front office who ran a different scheme and he doesn't really fit what Memphis is trying to do now. So if you can replace Kyle Anderson M. L. e-essentially within the in sign Melton to that L. E., it doesn't look as bad in terms of your books going into twenty twenty one so if they can. Find somebody that would be a taker for Kyle and still sign out even be more amenable to signing the Anthony to a ten or eleven even twelve million dollar contract. It's just the money that's already there. I really want to maximize that twenty twenty one flexibility whether it's to take on more picks in more bad contracts for other teams whether it's the plea, the a player restricted free agency if Climbing Company for some unforeseen reason think that they can go out and get a Max player. Maybe they make that pursuit and go that route. I don't think they will but the flexibility is valuable and you don't want to hamper yourself too much with Melton offer sheet in that May. So all it takes is one team on Atlanta Hawks blogger over a petri hoops wrote about offering him a four year, fifty, million dollar contract, and that's kind of high to me but I've also talked to people Keith. Parish fast-break breakfast is a grizzly fan out of Nashville and we've talked about how he thinks there is no overpaying Anthony Milton because of the likelihood that he's going to continue to improve and get better. So you know if Melton signs a twelve million dollar contract and he eventually shoots comparably to dillon. Brooks you know thirty three to thirty, four percent from three. I. Think There's lots of people there was a dancing is a better basketball player doing brooks at that point and all of a sudden he's on a better deal dylan in the script is flipped. So I do see him staying in Memphis at the very least i. see them doing a sign and trade or they don't lose him for nothing there too savvy to just let him walk. But at the same time, you know the performance of Grayson. Allen, in the bubble I think if Atlantic comes in with a fifteen million dollar a year offer she I think that makes it more able for Memphis to walk away although I don't see that happening and I don't see the grizzlies letting him leave and less something obscene like that happens. Yeah Melt melons a tricky one because. I mean he's restricted created. So we'll see what seems offer him but I. Don't like I don't want them to overpay for him mainly because he is he's better with the ball in his hands in transition at least in in the half court is not a great off the ball shooter and do they necessarily need another ball handler withdraw ties Jones is a great point inspire have big lesson justice wins another ball handler. So I get paying him to you know as a future asset. You know to clear chop space for next season but. He just I. Don't know he's strict the I like him I really like him. I think he's a positive defender. He's a really good player but do they necessarily need them? I don't know and I don I he could be good. Trade billion. I mean he's twenty two years old like you said should keep improving. So you don't really WanNa miss out on that. Maybe they do overpaid they don't you know. There's potential there. They might not want to miss out but it's it's going to be crowded ballhandling group their next season. If any Brits earns, IT'LL BE A fascinating win to window into what the Front Office sees is their most important needs. You know lots of people say the Grizzlies Shooting and they've needed grizzly of the grizzlies in the shooting since I followed the team starting ten years ago they've needed shooting. But at the same time, you know you have elite transition defender extremely good team defender off ball defender of one of the best rebounding guards in the NBA at a young age of by percentage Still he is a guy that will continue to improve and grow like I. said he's an asset if it doesn't break your bank if it doesn't disrupt future plans, I think it makes sense to match but if somebody throws him like I said fifteen million for. Me That would be way too much. I could probably be talked to the twelve but again, you're essentially comparing him dillon brooks and right now because of his ability to shoot and score I think doing brooks. Friday better player. But that doesn't mean the Dante Mountain whose younger can't develop those skills are be has the handle. He has the ability to be a secondary facilitator. No, he's an interesting window into what it's front office sees themselves doing over these next couple of years. So I know a lot of Grizzly fans are like you guys they have their eyes on that decision and seeing what his market value will be because you hear some people say ten to twelve you here I think it was bobby marks that said six or seven, and and if if that's the best dylan can artsy me that's the best that the anthony can do. It's like it's your Michael Green Situation Memphis was in a similar spots several years ago to Michael Green where. We thought Michael Greenwood get paid out of the out of our price range and he never did in Memphis just kept him around I. Think he just signed offer sheets is restricted free exe- offer sheet I live. That will happen the Anthony, but you know with the uncertainty of covert and all that stuff. It's also possible that he doesn't get this massive offer sheet and he just has an opportunity to return to Memphis and kind of show his worth that way too. Yeah. Definitely, man I think there's a ton of exciting stuff that that's going on with Memphis in. Ganthia. Just a small part of not not making not belittle him obviously I mean there's there's a lot of guys who have exciting stuff coming up While Joe, what do you got coming up that you're excited about or that you're working on that you want people know about Sure will you know we and we talked about it a little bit before the Gbi community mock NBA draft that we do we have thirty people that run the thirty NBA franchises mark. You were a trade panel member that was the trade panel member we got over a hundred trade offers only about twenty three made it through, which is kind of the point you know if everybody was left to their own devices, every insane differed in the entire NBA. It was already pretty crazy even with the trade panel You know I it was fun. We'll have post about that. We have free agency profiles we've been doing, and we have a draft profiles obviously the grizzlies with number forty overall. There's a lot of different directions they could go bring in a fifth big with Jiang being an expiring deal in Memphis likely won't bring him back Tires Jones being out in the bubble and we just mentioned Melton, isn't a point card so they need a third point guard a lot people think, do they just draft another wing for scoring and shooting purposes the grizzlies probably are in a position at this point to just take best available at forty and and go from there. I don't know if they have any glaring roster needs, which is nice. Again, that's not something two years ago we could have said but we'll be talking more about that moving forward. We're going to GB big board. Our our contributors will rank their prospects one through sixteen kind of breakdown how all of them look we have a extremely talented staff over there. We have a podcast network before different podcast. Now when I first started I was the only podcast back in two thousand fourteen, and now we've got four that biweekly in the off seasons we have two podcasts a week over on our podcast network. I'm really proud of the work we've done GB untold consistently we out punch. Our weight class, which means a lot. I know being a small market mark you can relate to that as you guys ultimately made to You know you want to. You may not have the viewership downloads of a Los Angeles or Miami or Boston or a New York but you WANNA put out good quality content for the folks the frequent your sites and subscribed your shows and I think that we continue to do that. We will continue to do that even through easily the most uncertain off season in NBA history. Yeah. Most who knows when we'll see these guys again, I know I know right now looks like February or March, but that could change so I. I'm not holding my breath. But I know celebrating was on Memphis radio recently, and he said that there was a rumor that Martin Luther King Day. Yeah Yeah. That was the latest thing I've heard but yeah. I have no idea that I've heard February I've heard March I know they want I. Think I read somewhere that sixty percent of their revenue is gate. So they want fans back in the arena somehow. So that's certainly won't happen for the next few months it will. It will definitely not be until January or February. At the earliest you'd imagine and you know obviously they have the draft coming up free agency. It's all going to be very condensed and very weird. GDP will be there for awesome while I'm. Really. Excited I. You know you guys do some really great work there and I'm not just saying that always always rates yourself on the time line Thank you so much for joining us to everyone who's listening of course, go followers Grizzly bear blues man that stuff's say all JOE's work. 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Lakers Trades, Salary Cap Situation, And Free Agency

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Lakers Trades, Salary Cap Situation, And Free Agency

"NBA championship belongs to the Los Angeles, Lakers game. Hello Lakers Nation, welcome and Chevrolet near Port. Lakersnation.com, your home for everything. Lakers are welcome to the Lakers Nation live off season of show, lots of stuff to get in doing the breakdown of joining me from YouTube, Facebook, or Periscope, welcome and I'll be taking your questions and comments live. If you are listening to the podcast version of this over on Spotify or perhaps on Apple podcast, make sure great review And subscribe. And I also encourage you all to go check out the NBA front-office YouTube channel, which we have set up, Kate Smith, and I every single day, break down the entire NBA. So not just Lakers focus. When we look at home the entire league, break everything down, particularly from a salary cap perspective, it is a lot of fun, especially this time of year. So make sure you guys go check that out as well. Again, that's the NBA front-office, YouTube channel, and you can also subscribe to the podcast, all right? So a lot of talk about tonight, I'm going to take your questions and comments about some hypothetical trades about free agent signings. All the kind of stuff that we're into it. Of course the draft as well, believe it or not. 10 days away from the NBA draft. Let's go. I am so excited for the draft. It's weird. It feels like the draft has taken a long time to get here, and yet somehow, it's also sneaking up on us. Like, he is like we're, we're almost there. It's almost draft time, but that really leads me to my bigger picture. Here in the NBA. What we tend to see happen. Is this sort of Calm before the storm that takes place during the NBA finals? And by Calm before the storm? I'm talking about from a transactional standpoint because let's face it when it comes to rumors and kind of the, the buzz around the league, a lot of it is not actually during the finals, unless you're a fan of one of the teams, it's in the finals. Usually the buzz is about the off season and during the week, the NBA there are they tend to not like anything to steal the thunder away from the finals. So for example, let's say, game 6 is tomorrow night between the the Bucks and the sons. By the way, the Box will take it with the wind, let's say tomorrow at like 3:00 a Lakers trade, River breaks, right? Like something major something, major breaks that the Lakers are rumored to be trading with somebody. What would happen? Everybody would be buzzing about that. There'll be a lot of discussion about that and that would take away from finals a little bit. So, you get this Calm before the storm cuz the media doesn't want that. The NBA doesn't want to see that table. Thing happens. So things are normally kept super quiet during the finals so that the focus is on the finals itself. When that means for us, is that right now is the time to catch a breath and prepare, get ready. Limber up. If you need to do some stretches, right? Prepare stock up on food on water and all that kind of stuff. Because, you know what? In a few days when the finals ended up, we're going to go into offseason mode and oh my goodness, this could be chaos. Beautiful glorious chaos. We should see a number of NBA rumors coming off every single day as we get closer to the draft and free agency starts two days. Later, there's going to be like, obviously, with what I do. I can tell you guys, there hasn't been a whole lot. It's been really quiet down a few weeks now, but again, this is the Calm before the storm, it's going to get crazy in just a few days, right? Things maybe you know, maybe a week, things are going to start wrong. He picking up in terms of the offseason news and rumors and that's where we're going to start hearing about what next year's Lakers team is going to look like. And I am so excited to see what moves the Lakers are going to make, what possibilities are out there, what kind of Trades they can make. There's a lot going on and it's all going to start to really blow up really soon as soon as the finals and I think we're going to kind of shift modes and get into more of an offseason friendly NBA news cycle so I can't wait to get into that. I love this time of year and this is going to be a ton of fun but let me get into some of your questions and comments here and not get into this. All right. Said Smith said, Smith from Facebook said, we need a young youthful defensive Center. Who do you think we should Target? So that's not an easy person to find. Maybe like the first day of the pops into my home. My head is Nerlens Noel. If you can get him and get him on board, that would be a nice fit. I think for the Lakers, but for me really and I am going into this offseason with the approach that the center position is the running back position. In the NFL work. It's like paying for a running back is very controversial. You only pay the top top top guys, right? Otherwise, you don't want to be the team to give a running back a second contract because I tend to break down as they get older. So you see a lot of teams who just rely on rookie running backs? I think the center position you kind of have the same feeling where you don't want to spend a lot on the center of right now. Particularly if it is a traditional big and I'm talking about guy who block shots rebounds scores in the paint, but can't shoot from outside or anything like that. That type of player. You don't want to spend a ton on that person, so I don't know that you're going to find a young Center like richaun, Holmes will be great. He fits the bill but he's going to cost more because he seemed like the top top, top tier guide. I don't think I want to spend on that position. I don't think that's where I want to put my money. If I'm the Lakers, you don't have a lot of money to go spend to begin with, and I think you've got larger needs out there if you go and you fill in your Center position with. I don't know. I mean you could say Robin Lopez Cody. Zeller! There's there's a number of names out there Nerlens Noel, aren't there. There's guys that are on the free-agent market right now or going to be off that you can use as sort of a stopgap. And if you can get somebody as a veteran, minimum contract specifically because Anthony Davis is going to be your Center, come playoff time, I would rather go that route. If I'm going to spend money off, I'm the Lakers. I'm going to spend money on a guy who could be on the floor late in a game in the playoffs. And I don't think a true Center fits that bill My, that means something for Andre Drummond, it might, I am curious to see what happens with Drummond because we know the Lakers like him. We know he's made some comments about Frank Vogel and then try to walk them back set. Always promoting my nft. All right, I don't know how much I buy that but Andre Drummond has a relationship already with Rob pelinka cuz it used to be his agent. So might there be something there? Like will the Lakers actually pay Andre Drummond and if they do there's a domino effect there where they can't put money elsewhere and again I don't know that that's where I want to put my money if I'm the Lakers if I run out of options, okay? But I would be trying to find a three-and-d style Wing first, and a three point shooting guard, next before I turn my attention to Center. I did look. Somebody said re-signed cousins. Yeah, I mean like, there you go. There's there's another one. Right Javale McGee. There you go. White Howard. There's a bunch of these guys out there who can be totally serviceable in there for a few minutes. And I, particularly if the rumors are true about the Lakers relying more on, Anthony Davis at the center position, I don't then I don't see a reason why you would want to go and spend a lot at Center, as much as I'd like, people talk about trading for Myles Turner. I love Myles. Turner, that would be fantastic of the Lakers would be great with their paint protection with Myles, Turner and Anthony Davis. But is that where you want to allocate your resources? I don't know. So going to be interesting to see how the Lakers approach that Luke normal Beach from YouTube, The Super Chat. Thank you said. I want Marcus allback. I don't care what anybody says at the beginning of the season when he was starting and playing 15-20 minutes the Lakers were rolling, okay? So I think we're talking about two things here, really with that comment. Number one, the Lakers rolling in the beginning of the season. I don't, I don't credit all of that to Marcus all like, I don't think Mark. All is the cure-all where if you just played more in the second half of the season, the Lakers would have won a bunch of games, know you had a healthy Lakers team relatively the beginning of the season and they won and then injuries and fatigue start to become more and more of a thing through the second half of season they started lose. So I don't think inserting Gasol more into the lineup just fixes everything but Do the Lakers do want to keep Marcus solid? It's funny. You know, I did with Ron Gutterman the other day. We did a perfect offseason for the Lakers and keeping Marcus, all was part of it, and that was a very, very polarizing take. I was surprised by how many people would people had a negative take on what we had come up with, in terms of our, our perfect offseason. I was surprised by how many people focused on the center position because from our conversations and run a night talking and and we really didn't put a whole lot of stock into the center position. We said this isn't going to be that big of a deal. You keep Marcus all just because he's on a better wage contract and he knows the system already. But if it doesn't work. Okay, swap them out with somebody else he can shoot threes. And so, he offers that there's not a lot of other bigs out there that can do that. That you're going to get on the veteran minimum, but if you want to tell me that, oh, hey, Dwight Howard is the better fit and the mark assault, okay? You can make an argument either way there. I don't have a problem with that. If you tell me, look, Robin Lopez will come to the Lakers and we like him a little better off. It's all right now fine. You could argue this all over those guys to what I'm saying is there's a lot of guys out there that are in the same tier. So if it's Marcus, all if it's somebody else, I think the Lakers will be able to find somebody else. I do like Marcus all. I think he gets burned a lot with his defense on the perimeter. I think that other teams pick on him quite a bit because they know that he can't stick with them. But that doesn't mean he's totally useless either. Again, shot sixty-six percent I believe from 3 in the playoffs for the Lakers. So I like Marcus, all you're not playing them twenty minutes a night anymore not probably not playing in 30 minutes and I'd certainly but maybe you're like a fifteen-minute break and I don't know if if Marcus all comes back I don't think you look at him and say all right we've got our starting center. I don't think you do that. If you bring back Marcus all I think you still have to find something else but I do think that he's a guy where if he wants to come back. Sure I'm not opposed to it. I don't think you're going to get somebody for the veteran. Minimum who is significantly better. They might be better in other areas job. Maybe you could argue those areas are a better fit for the Lakers, but I don't think you're going to get somebody who is just head and shoulders better than Marcus all for the veteran. Minimum Davis painter from YouTube. Stripper really looks like the Lakers want to keep their first round pick. I, I can't really say, I've had any kind of impression one way or another on what the Lakers want to do with their pick, and that is not unusual. And by the way, I love this about the Lakers, this is so great. The Lakers heading into the draft. It's rare aside from when Magic Johnson was at the helmet. This is not a shot of magic. I love Magic Johnson magic was at the helm things tended to leak out. Otherwise things did not leak out, right? I remember when the Lakers picked D'Angelo Russell and even watch, who was spoiling every draft pick before it happened, even though she didn't know who the Lakers were picking, right? Because they kept things. So under wraps, and I love that I like going into a draft knowing that, hey, nobody knows what the Lakers are going to do, keeps teams guessing, keep them on their heels and keeps the trade offers coming in because they don't have any kind of certainty of what your team's going to do. So I can't really say one way or another. If it feels like the Lakers are going to keep the pig or they're not. I think there are some really good Young talented players there at twenty-two and there's going to be multiple good young players, right? It's not like all, we really hope this one guy last and if he does, then forget it right, then forget to do the pick know there are, you could talk me into a number of players as being great pics for the Lakers at number twenty-two, whether it's bones Highland, who I like alot ioda soon. Boo, trade Murphy, the Thursday, it could be a plug-and-play three-and-d guy, right? Chris Duarte, Jaden Springer, there's other ones tree, man. It goes on and on. There's lots of guys that are very interesting in the draft right there. But with the question is, can you take that pic and turn it into something? That's going to help you more right now. And I think here's the homerun move. This is it. It's what you did last year. And I know that might raise some eyebrows and I'm talking about the dentist router trade, that's the homerun move for the Lakers. And again, the way things played out and I think Dennis Kruse perception among Lakers game. Right now would suggest that that didn't work out the way. It should have, right? Like I think you could objectively say had the Lakers actually not made that trade. Let's say the Lakers kept 28 and drafted Desmond wrong with it. Great guy let's say they drafted Desmond Bane 128 and they kept Danny Green for one more season with the Lakers be better off right now with Danny Green heading into free agency, you had Danny Green all season in terms of Dennis Schroder and you've got a young shooter, like Desmond Bane on your team instead of Dennis Schroder. I think the answer is yes. The answer is yes, but that trade was a win at the time not trying to trade that you executed every single time because you were killing two birds with one stone there. You were getting a player who could help you right now. And a player who was young enough to still be part of Anthony Davis's future with the franchise wage. You can do those two things. I think that's where you look to move this pay. If you can get a player who is not thirty-five plus right. Maybe you, you break this rule for our Kyle Lowry or something like that, or you can get a player who's young enough to fit, Anthony, Davis's timeline, but polished enough to help you win right now. And again, it did not work out the way we wanted it to within a shrewder, but that was the risk-reward they were taking. It made all kinds of sense at the time for the Lakers. Luke normal with the superjet against that. I agree, but that just shows he is usable. Yes, I agree. Casal is indeed usable in that situation. All right, Jason Thursdays from YouTube. Who the Lakers re-signed first when it's time. Okay, so re-sign versus actually, put the page paper, like who we hear about first? Might be different than who they actually resigned? Because the order of things can, sometimes matter for the salary cap, like we had heard the Lakers signed Jared Dudley or were signing Jared dead way before they actually signed it because it was a veteran-minimum deal. So they waited until they spent most of their money elsewhere first and then actually signed him. But who do they take care of first? I think it's Talen Horton Tucker. I mean like he's a clutch Sports client restricted free agent but I just feel like they've already get. There are going to have something in the works. He was the sticking point for the Kyle Lowry trade. We know, they want to keep him. I just think something else. Worked out there. And that's just a gut reaction. Where is Chris Masters? The champ. Chris, he is still in the fold. Don't worry guys, he's just been very, very busy with wrestling but but he will be back in involved. In fact, we're talking about maybe something at Summer League, will see coming up Luke, which again the Super Chat said he's currently going to play in the Olympics. So you know, he's at least playing ball off talking about his soul. He's obviously not perfect. But again, smaller teams, he's great to open the floor. Smaller teams, I think are where he gets burned the most because they're quicker they can drag him out of the perimeter on the defensive end. I do tend to think of fit defensively first and that I look at offense. I think Frank Vogel kind of thinks the same way Casal against a small ball team is tough because he's going to get dragged out in switches in pick-and-roll situations. And so, then you've got an issue there because he's going to get burned trying to defend on the perimeter. That's the challenge flip side job. Let's say you play them against a Rudy gobert great. Cuz I was going to stand behind the three-point line and bomb away from three. I wish you'd shoot even a little bit more and ideally drag gaubert away from the basket, that's what you would happen in that scenario. All right. Joylab from YouTube said, who you got at the for the 22 pick. And so, the, the funds, I like, if I just want to have fun with the pic, I want to get a player that I am going to really Take a chance on a boom-or-bust type player, might be leaning towards bones Highland, he's exciting. He just is his step back, three. All it's a thing of beauty. He's got that kind of lanky profile to. I'm a little bit worried about the athleticism in terms of finishing it the rim but he just plays the game with a flare. That's that's just a lot of fun. I think the the sense that will pick might betray Murphy, the third just because 687 foot wingspan, very clear role, right? Like I don't dissemble great. Love is skill, set everything but easier one way easier to where you going to use them. Mostly is he getting handled being off ball a lot right? You're not sure. Train Murphy the third, exactly, you know exactly what he's going to do. You know his role in his set coming, in fact be a, he's a 3 in D Wing player. Got good length, moves his feet. Very, very well defensively and shoots, a high percentage from 3. I like that. I like that a lot. And so that's, that's where I'm leaning back. No Chris Duarte can absolutely make a case for him as well. I think he would be another one. That would be kind of a no-brainer nice fit for the Lakers sharife Cooper. If he fell, he's incredibly talented. I don't, but again, not a great fit because he doesn't shoot the three-ball. Well, but might be one of the most talented players of the ones were mentioning here. There's a lot of good options. I guess that's what it comes down to write. Again, I'm Leaning. Tree Murphy, the third, but that is not the sensible side to me. I think there's a few other options you can go with if you want to try to Buck the trend and go with something. Just just fun and go for upside. YouTube, how do you not see me from YouTube? Super Chat? Why not trade for Rose, your last two years, nineteen 4 and 4 on 40% from three Dynamic point guard. Twenty six years old for seven million Hornets already. Have lamelo and Graham. Yeah, look, he's absolutely an option. If the Hornets do indeed want to move him and looked the three-point shooting has been great, is it sustainable? Well, he's a pretty well from Deep for the last two seasons. So hopefully there is, that is from the Celtics side of things from his time. With the Celtics, there were some character questions there but those days maybe behind home. I mean, he's played very, very well the last couple of seasons and if you can get them, sure. Particularly, if you know, Dennis Schroder is gone. If you've got a sign-and-trade set up for Dennis router, or if he's just walking into somebody else's cap space back after guy like Terry, Rozier would make a lot of sense, so he absolutely should be on the list of targets and I think the added benefit If there's anything that doing the perfect offseason video, showed me is just how restrictive. The hard cap will be for the Lakers this season because the contracts they already have on the box. Rosier, a guy who's already under contract, you're not going to trigger a hard cap by trading for him, right? A lot of the guys, we talked about a Lowry Lonzo ball, Spencer Dinwiddie, you have to sign a trade for these guys. Do you need there? Because Lakers don't have money to go spend. You need their team to sign them and then trade them to you. And that automatically triggers a hard cap, which is going to be really difficult for the Lakers to off underneath Terry. Rozier because he's already under contract. You don't have to worry about that. So I do think that's an interesting idea. Kelly Kelly from YouTube. I get this question a lot. What do you think about the Lakers asking LeBron to renegotiate his contract? They can, that cannot happen in the NBA. That's an NFL theme. It is against league rules, can't happen, not part of the collective bargaining agreement, player cannot renegotiate, their contract. Now, you can extend a contract if you want to write. You can do that. But you can't go to a player and say, hey, we're going to renegotiate your contract. We're going to pay you less now for a longer period of time or something like that. Can't do it. Thursday, it's not the NFL. That's not the way it works. Somebody said how was your day Trevor? Well my day was pretty good. I I went to a wild animal preserve today and got to feed giraffes home, that kind of a random thing, but it was pretty fun. Pretty cool. You get to go get, go do that and see some llamas and camels and all kinds of stuff. Got to do a little family-owned. Name's is my daughter's birthday this weekend, so she just turned five, and so we got to go do some fun stuff like that. Okay, Armand from YouTube said, hi Trevor, how are you? If the Lakers trigger the hard cap can they still re-sign? Dennis Schroder THD, Alex Caruso, and Andre Drummond. Please don't trade the 22nd pick off. Okay, so oh, Chris Jaeger said trade kuzma, the Grizzlies for De'Anthony, Melton. I wanted the Lakers to grab De'Anthony Melton in the draft that year. I was hoping they would get him in the second round, didn't happen wage. I think who's got maybe a little bit more valued than that. Honestly. But but I do like De'Anthony Melton a lot. All right. So, if the Lakers trigger a hard cap, can they re-signed all those guys? It depends on how they trigger it, but most likely the answer of almost certainly. So let's say that the Lakers trigger a hard cap by taking on a player in a sign-and-trade, whoever it is. All right, let's say DiMaggio's. Let's say the Lakers trade kuzma for DeMar DeRozan, straight up in a sign-and-trade and DeRozan has agreed to only take on play for. 15 million. Okay? So then, if you're the Lakers, you're sitting with a salary structure of about 117 million on the books. And you now have a hard cap at 100 for 3 million. You cannot pass that for any reason. So, go down the list and a shorter. Let's say it takes at least 20 to bring back down a shorter. Okay, so now you're 117, you bring back shorter. Yeah. Right near where you're at. 137 and your cap is $143 and you still haven't dealt with THD, Caruso Drummond or really filled out any of the rest of your roster. And if you're hard capped, you can't even sign off a minimum contracts. That's the thing. If if you don't trigger a hard cap, you can just keep signing veteran-minimum deals. Those are an exemption so you can continue signing those. If you do not create the hard cap, there's three ways you make a hard cap three ways. You use your mid-level exception, right? That's one of the ways you accept the player via sign-and-trade. That's another way you use your bi-annual exception. Number three, the Lakers can't use. Can't use it. They used it last year in West Matthews. So it's use your full mid-level exception. They use more than the taxpayer mid-level exception of your mid-level, right? So use between 6, million, roughly up to the full amount, which is like nine point seven million, right. So, if you use any of that amount anywhere in there, you trigger a hard cap. If you accept a player be a sign-and-trade, you trigger a hard cap. But let's say you don't, let's say, you don't trigger a hard cap and you're sitting at. You do cute that cruise but for DeRozan fake trade that I just made up. Then you're sitting at about a hundred fifteen million taken up by your players, but you have bird rights on Caruso on tht untrue, dog. So you can go over the cap to sign those guys. Let's say you give gruder twenty million. Okay, so now you're at 135, you give you give Caruso and tht let's say you give them combined, I don't know, fifteen million, right? Combined. Let's say you give them that much and maybe you're going to have to pay more. But let's say you give them that combined. Okay. Now you're at a thousand fifty million in salary. Oh no, we don't have. We can't do that right now. You didn't trigger the hard cap so you can keep going. You want to fill out your roster? Great. Veteran-minimum contracts, here we go. You want to go chase down, Carmelo Anthony. Come on board. All right, Jeff Green. Cool. Let's go Target him. Bring him in Veteran's Center. I don't know. Dwight Howard. Let's go veteran-minimum. You can just keep signing those guys. Yeah, you're going to run into tax penalties and things like that but there's nothing stopping you. There is not hard cap there that just stops you from continuing to build out your roster. So that's where the more. I look at this, the more I think the Lakers will do what they need to, in order to avoid the hard cap. If they do trigger a hard cap, then you get it. Some very difficult decisions. That's where you start looking at kuzma, kcp THD, Caruso, some or potentially. All of those guys are off. Or if you trigger a hard cap, probably at least two of them are gone. If you make a hard cap, That's that's just that's math, that's just the way it works out. So I hope that makes a little bit of sense as far as where the Lakers are at Who do you have winning the chip Joel. Joel ask me. I still think the Bucks. Take it. You know what? I said my prediction before the series started was if you're honest plays its box and 6 a.m. just doesn't play its sons and six and Jonas is playing. So I'm going to stick with bucks and 6. Okay, let's get into this. Josh Childers. Not. Josh Childress, right? Former NBA player Josh Childers from YouTube said how the hell can the Nets afford their team? And all I hear is we can't get three stars and have a roster. If we can get Dame, why the hell does money matter to the profit most preferable finish franchise in the NBA? it's because of the way, the league rules work and I know this is From the outside anybody who isn't like living this stuff right isn't going over. The salary cap structure? All of the time it's confusing and it doesn't make sense. Why can the Nets have three stars and the Lakers are strapped for cash? How does that make any sense at all? It's because the Nets. Never triggered a hard cap, right? They didn't do that. They brought back their own guys. Using bird rights Joe Harris, right? Brought him back using bird rights. That's what they did to bring these guys back. Then they took their own guys that are under contract like Jared Allen right? And they traded them, Caris LeVert traded. These pieces to get James Harden. They signed when they get under the cap, they signed Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and free agency. Used bird rights to continue spending right on guys, like Joe Harris, for example, right? They continued spending using bird rights and off and when the time came they were able to package together enough salaries to satisfy the NBA trade rules in order to go bring in James Harden, they were able to get close enough to harden salary in terms of sending out money to bring him in. That's how they did that. If they're triggered a hard cap, they wouldn't have been able to add a lot of these guys like Blake Griffin, right? Blake Griffin said, oh look, we can contend for a championship. Cool, I'll play for the veteran, minimum again, like I said earlier with the Lakers, if you do the hard cap, you keep signing guys on the bedroom minimum and that's another thing we need to talk about. If you're the Lakers and you don't trigger the hard cap that makes you a landing spot on the buyout Market. If you do, you could be in a situation where you don't have enough room under the hard cap to sign any of the buyout Market players. But anyway, the Nets, never triggered that hard cap. And that's why they were able to put together the Russian that they did pay. Or it's part of why. In a way again, they had they were far enough under the cap to sign to rant and sign Kyrie, that brought them up to the cap. They used bird rights in order to sign their guys to bigger deals and keep them in a order them. And then from there, they were able to put the package together, enough contracts to equal out to balance out, James Harden's contract and a trade and then bring him in. That's how that worked down. And again, I understand look at it from the outside, it's easy to just say, the Nets should not be able to have. If the Nets can have three stars. The Lakers should have to be able to have three stars. It's got to be even like that the order of when you spend your money and how you spend your money absolutely matters. Like, for example, what if we lived in a world where Anthony Davis never requested a trade from the Pelicans and just left of free agency instead and the Lakers were far enough under the cap and they could have gotten there to sign him and then they still had some of their young players cuz they never traded them for Anthony Davis. So now you've got LeBron a d and you've got some of these young players. You've got Brandon, Ingram and Lonzo ball or something and then you're able to package together. Some of those guys and trade them for a third star. That's pretty much what the Nets did that was the path they took right off. Would have been the way to do it for the Lakers, but the Lakers did was they traded away a lot of their young assets that they had bird bites on in order to get Anthony Davis and then they've paid a D in Lebron enough to where they're eating up the bulk wage. Salary cap and then they went and added pieces from there. So they didn't really have guys under contract to go and ship out or guys that they've boosted their salaries using bird rights. They didn't have that down. Now they're operating under a little bit of a different cap situation. John O'Brien from YouTube, a d kuzma and kcpt the Chicago for Zach LaVine, and vucevic. I'm not trading Anthony Davis for that. Definitely need an Anthony Davis in that package. That's not enough. We'll hey. Trevor between all the point guards that are rumored and trades and so on, who's in your opinion, would fit the Lakers the best. Do you think Kevin Love will be in the buyout Market? Should the Lakers sign him, okay? So two questions. Who will fit the Lakers, the best ones a ball and it's weird saying that well, okay, no, hold up. Let me backtrack Kyle Lowry would be the best fit in terms of took a lot of boxes and be a long-term solution, Lonzo ball, I think would fit very, very well Kyle Lowry I think in terms of, if we're just looking to win next season, Kyle Lowry would be the guy took my pic. If it's, let's just worry about next season and that's it. Forget about everything else. It's long term loans of all, be my pick their Kevin Love. If he's bought out, he was bought out. And the again, the buyout Market were talking about February end of February, is usually, when the Bayou Market really heats up. So I wouldn't expect to see him bought out till around then, but if that did happen and the Lakers can add veteran minimums, they didn't trigger a hard cap and he's healthy. Sure. Cuz here's the thing better than minimum contracts, if you're not home yet, they don't matter that much, right? Like, let's say you take a chance and you signed Kevin Love to a veteran-minimum worst case you're out the whatever and almost two million dollars that you would have to spend in salary and look that's that's a lot of money but for a team like the Lakers that shouldn't matter that much so worst case they signed Kevin Love to a veteran-minimum. It's clearly not working out plumber, you cut him off. Then you go sign somebody else for the veteran minimum. That's the brilliant part about being under the hard cap or being not hard. Capped is that you can just keep doing that. If you need to know that's not ideal, it's not what you want to do Thursday. I go and constantly cut people inside people but you just have that kind of flexibility. So if it's for a veteran-minimum the risk is basically zero. All right, sir, Robin Mota Mari from YouTube, said, try to work out a sign-and-trade involving schruder in a pic for dejounte Murray. Okay, so first, let's start with this. I'm going the other way. So, if the Lakers take Dennis Schroder, and they sign him and trade him somewhere else, and they don't accept the player back that has also been signed and traded. They don't get home. You only get hard cats. If you accept the player that has been signed and traded to you, So, that's key. So you can sign and trade getting shorter and not get hard. Capped, okay, Jean Ste Marie. Yeah. Sign me up. I'll do that if you cross and but Gregg Popovich does not like the Lakers the Spurs cooperating with the Lakers. I have a really hard time seeing that based on the way things. What, why based on the way things went Anthony Davis took the way things went back, when the Lakers signed Powell, Gasol are traded for Powell Gasol. Greg, Popovich goes out of his way to try to stop the Lakers from doing things. So I would not say that's very likely sucks. You Christian, Paul carrack cruise from YouTube, is it possible for the Lakers to get loads of without trigger? The triggering the hard cap know. I mean the only way to do it would be if lungs evolved was well, okay I shouldn't say no the way you would do it. You would have to clear the decks. You would have to literally get rid of everybody I'm talking about. You would have to part you'd have to say tht Caruso. See you later. You guys just walk renounce all your free agents off. You'd have to get rid of k c p and kuzma. You would have to cut your team down to be LeBron. Anthony Davis and Luol Deng. Yeah, that's right. His five million dollars are still sitting on the books page. One more season, that's about $81 million, the Caps going to be out about a hundred twelve, that would give you enough room to bring back to go and sign Lonzo ball and free agency off the way you would have to do that. And then you would not be hard capped. But again, you're talking about just watching guys walk away, getting your team, basically for lawns. Oh that's and that's very extreme example obviously. Otherwise Most likely I would say no because in order to pay loans of the amount that he wants, you're probably going to have to do a sign-and-trade. But again, that's the situation that you're in. You you would have to wash the decks which again means giving kuzma to a team for nothing or or draft pick or whatever. Same thing with k c p and I don't think the Lakers would want to go down that path. That's kind of a nuclear pass down. Me. I mean, depending on how much lungs of wanted, maybe you would have enough room in a room there to keep one of Caruso or tht maybe. And then for the rest of the way you're looking at home, you know, maybe a mid-level exception or a non-taxpayer mid-level using that, maybe you could use your full mid-level if you're that far underneath the cap and then I guess you get the room exception there you went under the cap. Yeah, if you operate as a below, the cap, team, you'd have a room exceptions. That's about 5 million, and then you'd have some better and minimums. That's a tough way to build out a roster though. Somebody said bring back blue all day. No, that's that's not going to happen. Somebody said, hey Trevor, you've been working that over time, bro. Not really, not really. This has been, like I said to start the show, this is the Calm before, the storm, this really is. This things are about to get crazy within the next like week or so. Things are really going to pick up where I'm going to be pretty much just tied to my desk here, but hopefully moved into my new studio that point, I'm fingers crossed, hoping it's actually going to get done tomorrow. If you've been following me over on Instagram at Trevor Lane NBA, you've seen the progression of the new Studios being built right now. It's being built right above me, actually, and a fingers cross. I think might be finished tomorrow, maybe by the end of the day. But yeah, this this is not been working overtime. Working overtime is what's going to be coming in the next week or so, Davis painter from YouTube app. Said for a small bowl lineup of LeBron KD shooter, buddy kcp the floor. Spacing would be so nice. Yeah. So that buddy hield was in my perfect offseason for the Lakers and I concocted a scenario in which Buddy hield would come to the Lakers without sacrificing kcp. It was for kuzma and Montrezl. Harrell picks up his player option in that scenario. It was a dream scenario. I don't think it really plays out that way, but if you could get buddy back and keep kcp the floor spacing, you would have could be tremendous, LeBron, buddy. A d k c p, and then you can add some, maybe another shooter out there somewhere that could be very, very nice. Somebody asked, what are your tattoos? I've got a number of tattoos that have all kind of morphed into one tattoo. At this point, I have a Time themed sleeve here, that's in progress. That still needs a little bit more work to get done. I've got to get my inside bicep, have to have a second final session done on that. But babe, it's a Time theme sleep. I've got a map on my right shoulder. I've got a rib tattoo, I've got both my calves tattooed. Yeah, those are, those are my tattoos. I'm not going to go through all of them or what they all mean or whatever. Omar the Lakers fan from YouTube said, what's your take on Andre Drummond? Do you think he's a failed experiment and should we let him go? Or should we give another chance? I think Andre Drummond gets a little bit of a trap and I've got a theory for why that is something I've talked about here on this show before, but I think that what happens with Andre Drummond is, his mistakes are so egregious like they stand down. It's missing an easy lob. Dunk from LeBron. We're only has to do is just hammer it home and he badly messes it up, right? Like mrs. It by a mile. Those are the mistakes that you see or he he gathers a ball turns towards the basket, nobody in front of him and he fumbles and drops it out of bounds, right? Like those are the mistakes were seeing under drummer and those were are things that are going to stick with us and it's going to kind of infect how we see him as a player. It's going to make us think that he's worse than he actually is. I think he's he's not a great Center but I think he's decent wage because decent I wouldn't be totally okay with bringing him back on the veteran-minimum, The Challenge. And I got into this earlier in the show is if you bring him back and you pay him more than the veterans came home. And he's already said, he doesn't want the vet minimum, which of course, he shouldn't want that. But if you're allocating more than the veteran, minimum to the center position, that's money that you can't spend elsewhere. And I think it's more important things were able to get those other things and I'm talking about three point shooting primarily as well as you know some Wing defense and some Shock creation as well. A playmaker. I think those things are more important if you have to downgrade birth From Andre Drummond to one of the other bigs that's out there. That'll take the better than minimum. I think that's okay. I think you're okay there whereas not getting a playmaker, not getting more three-point shooting. I think that's going to really hurt you more than swapping from Andre Drummond to white or whoever else is out there, right? There's a lot of guys. Visual ASMR the Lakers the preferred destination for cheap vets, or will they signed with Brooklyn? A lot of that. Depends on relationships. I think that, they, they are a destination. They are certainly a destination for veteran. Free-agent, are they deducted? I don't know. They're not the only one but Brooklyn is up there as well. And Brooklyn is entering the season as the betting favorite to win the NBA championship. And I understand why they look tremendous. Even when they had just two of them, guys, are three. Their big three going. They looked really really good. So I would also make Brooklyn the favorite to win based on what we saw most recently. So we'll is asking why is Mike Conley, not on the list for the Lakers. It's the same reason as some of these other guys like Mike Conley again, he'd be great if you can get them but the jobs I think are going to make a pretty strong offer for him. And on top of that, you're triggering triggering a hard cap by getting him and then you're putting yourself in a tough spot. Now, could you do a sign-and-trade double sign-and-trade with Dennis shooter or something maybe? But again then building out the rest of your roster is so difficult. If you've got that hard cap that's that's the challenge, right? But look, Mike, Conley would be great. You'll be be fantastic, but I'm making it happen. It's tough. Not to mention the fact that We live in this world where all of these teams in the west, see the Lakers as their, their mortal enemy, right? The sun's, the Suns fans hate the Lakers the song, the Spurs, the Jazz the, the nuggets, the Blazers, the Warriors, the Kings, the Clippers, right? They they all see the Lakers as their biggest rival and Lakers fans have no hatred for most of those teams saved for the Clippers Lakers fans right now. But based on my sense, hate the Clippers and the Celtics. And that's about it, right? Maybe a little bit towards the Brooklyn Nets because they're kind of the new brake pad out there. But Lakers fans don't get that upset about the Blazers or the sun's even though they're in the finals right now or the jazz or anything like that. Like, there there, isn't that animal? Those clubs though see the Lakers in a very different light than the way we see them. So if you suggest to the Jazz, hey participate in a sign-and-trade that will give Mike Conley to the Lakers game. As fans will say, no, they will Riot. They will, they would rather send him anywhere. But through the Lakers in the same could be said for the Kings, and for the Blazers and all these other teams. So it's just something to keep in mind these teams. A lot of the teams were talking about trading with see the Lakers in a different way than how you think of those teams. Is Westbrook to the Lakers really possible. Math wise. Sure. But practically know making that work is very, very difficult month and we get Spencer Dinwiddie. Again, the issue is Spencer, Dinwiddie is the sign-and-trade. Same exact thing, and here's the thing. Spencer Dinwiddie and Dennis Schroder, are the two guys that we've heard connected to this idea? This belief out there, that starting point guard, gets twenty-five million dollars. I don't know if they're starting point guards. I think Spencer Dinwiddie you can argue, if he's fully healthy, is more of a starting point guard that Dennis sugar is and that's not supposed to be a knockout shooter, I think. I think if Dennis Schroder is your sixth man, you've got arguably the best one in the league, right? If that is shorter is your backup point guard. You probably have the best backup point guard in the NBA. I don't know if he's for sure a starter, though. He thinks he's a starter home and he certainly talented enough to be, but if he was your starter and you're paying him 25 million a season, what kind of a team are you, are you good enough? I don't know. I don't know. And I would lean towards probably the wrong side on that if you're giving them that much money, but Spencer did we had a comment about a week ago report came out at Spencer Dinwiddie Essentially said, look, if the Nets were to offer me five years, did the only team that can offer 5 years, $125 million? You would take it, he would stay otherwise if they're offering 3 years 60 million his take on that, as well, everybody can offer that. So why would I stay with the Nets? I'm going to go somewhere else. That pretty much reinforces that he believes he's worth between twenty to twenty-five million. I don't know if the Lakers can afford to pay a point guard that much get a shorter paying him that much, you can get away with it because you have his bird rights. If you don't trigger a hard cap, you can pay him that much. If you really don't like, Dennis Schroder, you can trade them down the road, right? You don't have to watch them walk away for nothing. You could pay him that much if you wanted to do. An outside guy though that you have to trigger a hard cap in a sign-and-trade to get that, you're going to pay that much money to building out the rest of your roster becomes very, very difficult. Very difficult, unless you're talking about signing trading, Kyle kuzma and kcp to offset that salary. But then do you want to do that? Do you want to trade? Who's my aunt kcp swap them out for Dinwiddie? Is that a plus move for the Lakers compared to Another move you could make with those guys. I don't know. That's the challenge. All right. Somebody else would Darren Collison. Be an option for the Lakers? To bring in a new point guard, without triggering a hard cap. Still being able to move sugar for something else or is Jared Washington done? We haven't seen a play any here. Wednesday to look if he is, if he's the guy that he was right before he left. Yeah, bring them in. No problems with that. He hasn't played in a year, he retired, he's done. So I wouldn't just assume that he could step in and play if it's possible. I don't know. If you just make him, you're starting point guard. You probably want to make a reserve first and find out. Can he really continue to do this? But in theory, if he was just magically the same guy, yeah, be fine with that. TJ McConnell. Yeah, sure TJ McConnell could be a good fit for the Lakers depends on what you gotta pay. But again Three point shooting a little bit of an issue shooting in general. He's not really a score, he's more of a pass-first guy but pesky not going to care. If you make him, come off the bench, not going to care if he starts. That's not going to happen to them. Should certainly be an option. What would it take to make room for Kauai if he wants to come, you would have to move, Heaven, and Earth. Now you'd have to clear your books and even then you can't get enough. You can't get enough for a Max. Even if you clear your books you could wipe out everything Kyle kuzma, the 22nd. K c p. Gone Gone. Gone Marcus all two point, six million gone, get rid of Alfonzo mckinnie, gone you get rid of everything except for the Brandon 80,000, you still don't have a max deal to offer for Kawhi Leonard. Let's do one more. Let's do one more of these, for we call it an evening. And again, guys, who knows, by the time we do this again on Thursday, I remember we do this every Monday and every Thursday 9:00 Pacific Time. By the time we do this again on Thursday. Like we might have 15 things to talk about, right? Like this thing's the rumor mill can heat up very quickly, particularly once the finals end. So just be aware and be ready for that. It might not happen right away. Maybe it doesn't happen by Thursday might be in like the following week that's possible. I'm just saying it's coming, right? Brian. This is the Calm before the storm right now. Things are going to heat up Iraq. The NBA very very soon. Oh, somebody said I sound tired again, I had my five year. Olds birthday this weekend. We've had family in town and we were doing all these different activities and things like that. So yes, I probably do sound a little bit tired right now. All right. Trevor is there any player you would trigger the hard cap for? Yeah, I mean there's plenty of guys out there that you would that you would say, okay I'll do that. The question is can you get them to take a low enough amount where you can still do some other things? But realistically, like if Kyle Lowry says, Hey, I want to be a Laker, you're going to do what you can to make that work right off. If I'm certainly have Kauai said, hey I want to be a Laker, you do what you can to make that to make that work, if a guy wants to come for for the cheap, but he's willing to take the middle of like, Central Los Guerreros and says, hey, I'll sign for the mid-level. Yeah, you probably do that. And you just deal with the ramifications of a hard cap. So there's certainly guys that you would do it for but it does not mean the building out. The rest of your roster is easy and you would need someone to do it on the cheap really to make it happen. So if it's Let's say it's Spencer Dinwiddie and he says, hey, I wanted sign-and-trade to the Lakers but you gotta pay me twenty-five million. I'm probably not doing that, not that, I don't like Spencer Dinwiddie oh that, I don't want him on the Lakers. I absolutely do but it means that you're letting go of kcp kuzma tht coronavirus. So probably three of those guys have to go or nothing for no router for maybe you can get a future pick or something, but you can't bring back salary, if you're going to be able to fill out your roster. After that way, you would have to. You're sacrificing a lot in order to clear the space to fill out your roster after triggering that hard cap, that's the difficult part. So I hope that makes sense. All right, guys. Appreciate all of you joining me today. Again, things are going to heat up around the NBA and I can't wait to see what happens in the next few days. Don't forget, subscribe right here to the Lakers game on YouTube channel. 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Bishop Sycamore, NFL Cut Day, Ben Simmons Trade locations

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Bishop Sycamore, NFL Cut Day, Ben Simmons Trade locations

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I'd use the word learned in elementary school during woodshop. But it's a perfect phrase to show. How badly bishop took more got beat by g. But coach roy. Johnson picture floated around more than pollen in north carolina. Summer was fired yesterday. And this department kinda got me is. We're trying to figure out if the school is real or not. So it's like it's almost like tommy from martin. I was recipes. That actor right. Yep tommy and martin were saying tommy. You got no job man. So it's like really like if the school is fake. Being your job is bate. You understand what. I'm saying to get fire from if that's what i'm thinking. What are we talking about like are we would. If the school is. Fate job is fake. That means the team is vague. What are we buy you wait. No job man. Anything another angle approach to this. I'd have one to matthew even if the school was real and let's say just for argument's sake store it's not like the coach was the one who enroll them into the school right. It's not like the coach's part of the administration to write get. These kids birthdays going in verify. All this stuff like this is what we call a fire. A fire sale folks. Someone had to fall on the sword. It's so weird So that's a good angle. Now this is the other angle that i wanted to go through. Then we can move onto to real news. What if just what they paid the person at espn who feel that this call because you think about it. There's no way like somebody said which is said yesterday so on. Espn is getting fired. Would they probably do. But what if they were quitting. Would if they were on their way out anyway by what. This was their last day in your life. What what bridge that mister johnson. Johnson you call me on your your lucky day. I am going to go ahead Bras necks okay. I am going to submit this or approval now if they submitted for approval. Because i'm sure it goes through more than one insurance the yes men. Yes yes yes yes. Yes yes none of folks v. That will come. That will come exactly. But imagine that. In so i don't think it's just one person dropping. Volleyed had him in multiple people. Because i'm sure that person field in the call doesn't call the shots. They would have submitted it to this person. I gay any probably said it just like this. I took this call from bishops sycamore. They said they got multiple d. One prospects. Here's the information that i could find because when you're not used to them are kinda did see some twenty twenty film so it's not. Apparently this is something. That's out there so they have something. I don't know if it's an actual school. But they have something but ultimately he got by. They're they're out there on the outs and we pretty much have to figure out what's next for espn. And they're betting process as spn did a credible job of control. If you can call it that right right okay so in this situation here. We'll have to see what happens now. Moving forward looking over the nfl here There weren't too many big cuts. I mean obviously we know about cam. Newton i'm there are some other people who were placed on the pete the pup- list publis obviously stefan gilmore was placed on that publis. Michael thomas was placed on that publis. there were some people who obviously we. We also talked about You know shaw perriman. The receiver who i believe will get an opportunity. Who wants he clears that waiver. Wire up but there were some people who didn't make it obviously quarterback jake browning from the minnesota vikings. We talked about de nucci and garrett gilbert from the cowboys who are now interested in bringing cam in so. It's going to be a lot of different movement The bears in a surprising move cut. Cornerback desmond true. Font who i believe still has opportunity to play other other places Similar to josh rosen. Who was let go by the forty niners but then now finds himself as a backup in atlanta on the matt ryan. So it's gonna be a lot of interesting moves. I'm really really curious to see how this waiver wire works Even with the likes of will greer the young quarterback who who had very very promising numbers. I went to west virginia in college. He was almost a first round. Pick kinda slave to their fourth round. But with the development of the xfl pj walker obviously played extremely well and got an opportunity and has now sam donald's back up but i think pj walker has not The play so. I'm definitely interested in seeing how that turns out. I know there was some also some news about malcolm butler. Potentially retiring from cardinal's doing some personal issues. I'm but we'll have to wait and see how that goes Again it was a pretty relatively quiet day. Outside of cam. newton. Getting let go. It was pretty quiet in the nfl. Pretty safe i would say. Nfl day. Now dr the nba egos. That's a whole different story. Lakers officially resigned. Roger rajon rondo which is awesome. Which would give them more depth and more more competitive spirit in a surprising move. The cavs have agreed to a one year deal nine guaranteed with taco fall. Which is awesome for him. I don't know seems like the cavs are really stockpiling. Some big as they acquired lawyer marketing as well and they they did some re signings as well and he still kevin love on the roster. So i'm curious to see what their plan is with taco fall. Open a chance to play. Because i i really think that he has really really good mussa. I think he can shoot. He can play defense. He reminds me. Of course obama by ianovich. Not just because he's tall but he actually has a really really good feel around the rim And despite his obviously tall body can actually move very well. Ombu lastly been simmons. The ben simmons strain continues philadelphia seventy sixers and the process. Officially put on notice as ben simmons says. Hey i want out. There are several teams. That of course would be interested But at this point and this is something that i always aid when a player comes out and says it hayao one out in my opinion at lowers the trade value for the team. I'm not one hundred percents. Shore want the seventy sixers are going to get back in return for simmons. Obviously is playoff is playoff. I don't even say performance. I guess blender from the free throw line and i guess his at times irregular shooting ability or whatever you wanna call it leaves more room for desire but i know in the off season. He's been working. And i believe each season. He's gotten better and better so he's gonna look for a team that's gonna wanna run and really make some splashes i. I don't think you put him in the half court set. I really think you want to get him out face and had run. Valentine comes up here in this from. Cbs sports which is interesting lists that they put together. The first one is the portland trailblazers. Obviously a package where been sentenced. It's traded for cj mccollum. I know my improv. Talk about that quite often about whether it's time for the trailblazers to move on from either dame lillard or cj mccollum because just like similar to player systems. I ally wizards with bradley. Beal and john wall eventually. It's going to be time to move on second. We have the golden state warriors. Who feel like they been trying to move on from several people for a while now. Of course they're unsure about klay thompson And i think the big question would be if simmons draymond green can co exist I know they've been really really trying to package. James wiseman which stinks because he was a number two overall. Pick in twenty twenty And they've been looking to move andrew wiggins but i'm not a hundred percent sure that's enough And i know dr maury bum. He doesn't want to go and just get draft pick so is going to have to be something bigger than just wiseman and waiting so i'm not one hundred percent. Sure what they would. Be looking for the nicotine. Here is the atlanta hawks which they do have a lot of. Let's say debt. At the forward position i would see they have key von my man cave on here. Hitter cam reddish andy andrea hunt hunter. And if you can just flip to those guys you know impossibly maybe add somebody like dalla nari or bogdanovich will give you an opportunity to keep your core and have been silenced. Trae young clink cappella and john collins but is a high chance that philadelphia would want john collins So i'm not a hundred percent. Sure about that as well but with those other players give them a little bit of next. The denver nuggets. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure they really really want to change anything. I mean obviously michael. Junior isn't interesting prospect. That i could see barrymore possibly wanting but you definitely don't you see yourself giving up jamal. Murray and i can't see the sixers. Wanting shake milton or aaron gordon or any of those guys obviously joke which is definitely a no so yeah with the minnesota timberwolves on which is number five on the list. I just don't see it I'm just not seeing it. I don't even know if i could go over this. Because obviously karl anthony towns unless he wants out the ngelo. Russell definitely doesn't want to go back to philadelphia in anthony edwards while they trade him so it really doesn't make any sense. I can't see anything. Here worth mentioning. I don't think they should break back core. They just have to find a playmaker scoring defense. I think scoring is a little bit more valued in the timber. Wolves lock room And i just don't see where simmons fits their actually might go the same thing with the grizzlies John moran answer together would be awesome. But i'm sure this is probably going to cost them. Dillon brooks and i think dillon brooks is a stead in. If i'm memphis i personally wouldn't wanna send him there I do like the anthony. Melton allot but. I don't know if milton in brooks is enough for simmons. But if i'm if i'm memphis i definitely wouldn't make the steel. I do not think this is a good deal. number seven. Which just the last team on here. Who seems to be somebody. That's really stockpiling bigs right. We just mentioned it. With taco fall is to cleveland cavaliers. Obviously they have common sect stand up isaac a coro- but they also have cabin live out. They have a few different pieces in. I would say that in this particular situation. It could be multiple team trade. I'm hoping that based on this trade doesn't go through. Because i don't like either one of these players for houston especially if they're saying that were giving up christian. Would this particular trae within. Ben simmons to the cavs. That rockets would get taylor. Horton tucker is a coral in a first round. Top five protected paid for cleveland. The seventy sixers. Ricky rubio christian would in talent sexton as well as a cabinet is twenty twenty four first round. Pick in the lakers would just get seth curry which. I don't know how the lakers would feel about giving us taylor horn tucker so definitely i. Train for her for the lakers. Where the lakers necessarily get the most beneficial piece of the brighter. Right in this particular trade. I would assume that the frigging lakers would get been sentenced. Not so outside of that. I don't really like any of these. That they had to choose one probably. Would i probably would say the hawks. I don't think any of these other teams outside of maybe the trailblazers if they could send covington ansi mccullum over for semons maybe But i don't think the warriors want freaking andrew wiggins and james wiseman But kion as exo. I like to call cam reddish in the andrea hunter are Yeah that's a good start but guy. People heard this show on their favorite podcast platform. 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DAF James Harden Trade

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27:57 min | 9 months ago

DAF James Harden Trade

"Do lay it out for us. What do we know about how this happened. And how we got it this is. This is a massive deal. All around the site for the brooklyn nets to go out and get james harden. You know this was something that kevin durant very much wanted in hard started talking about this months ago and listen with the uncertainty surrounding kyrie irving right now and i think there's still hope expectation. He returns place for this team. Remember free agency comes back upon you pretty quick in this league. You know kevin durant in the second year of a four year deal and getting harden. That's another reason for for durant to want to stay. But now if you get irving back. And he's back to play at a high level. You have a one-two-three perhaps unlike we've seen in this league in the modern era but certainly comes at a steep price. Four first round picks for Pick swaps the pixel unprotected. One of those picks is coming from cleveland. This is part of a three way. Deal really a four-way deal. Kessle avert goes from the nets to odd. The indiana pacers in indiana victory will depot to houston so a lot of moving parts in this deal. Let's talk about this fourteen deal. Give us a little more detail on the second level part of this other than just james harden joining the nets well. I think this was a deal really. That came together in the last couple of days at philadelphia was very much in pursue of james harden. Obviously maury there president traded for him in houston wanted great deal with him but ultimately nets. Deal this package. Bringing cleveland into it. Got it done. And i for houston you at them remember. They gave up a lot of picks in that chris. Paul russell westbrook deal they get him back. And then some and it gives the rockets now. Their new gm reffell stone ability to start a rebuild people's the last year of his contract. You know they can see how that goes. Did they want to resign him. This he wanted to be there but Certainly a blockbuster deal by any standard in the nba. And it is going to be a fascinating to see a kevin durant reunited in brooklyn. Obviously they played in oklahoma city together and then kyrie irving likely. Potentially you would expect at some point as part of that. Mix to leads and gentlemen. I know that you listen to our show earlier. And if you haven't definitely go and listen to that from earlier this is breaking news. We might not be. I but we're definitely not going to be laughed this one the houston rockets raphael stone. Who in a effort to show that he is not going to be daryl. Morey shoes pulled out. All of his stones and traded james harden that way of house as john gotti would say to trade james today. That's right ladies and gentlemen breaking news. James harden and traded just hours after rumors had came out that he was going to still be a rocket up until the end of the season. The rockets brass said enough is enough. And it's time for change doc. I'm so happy that he wasn't referring to the ability. Stones because twenty twenty was horrible the last night for anyone to have those affinities stones but one way to start it off. I mean there are things that brings joy but this trade right here. Deathly puts a smile on his face. Outside walking walking. You know even though it was like fifty five degrees a beautiful day. John got on the phone he says. Oh my god sammy you bad should tell you did. They say they do what they did who they would. The rockets actually traded james harden. And i said yes. He does what he has said. Don't tell too don't you dare tell me anything. I gotta read this. We've been accepted some bums and of course own woes was like china update. Everything is it was. It was so fast it was like the stock market. And before i knew it in three minutes we had accumulated like six draft picks in vin depot. Came out of nowhere. Yup oh i can to give you an idea. James harden to the nets blockbuster or team trade that doesn't involve the rockets nets pacers and cavaliers. Of course the nets you get james harden and this is according to a woes. We told you this a few weeks ago. We always weighed but will so The nets said the houston package. Of course that Did include care. Slivered which i was always name was chris. But apparently it's cares. And then the rockets then took levert and him to the pacers for vito depot which was such a sweet swap for the rockets getting a additional veteran presence and a bona fide star in villa depot who has a lot to prove the nets also sent jared and taurean prince to the cavs and which the rockets receive also in addition to victoria depot. They obtain dante exum and brooklyn forward. Rudy on kerr roots. Which is nothing really going to be dead. Six nine nice nice small medium sized frame three ball and s somebody that we. We're we're going to need because there are times where we really really struggled to score and now we are not going to have a guy down in the basketball and you know have this movement of the ball. We're going to need a guy like riyanto. I'm really happy about that. But apart separate raphael stone from daryl morey days block. Hey go to. This is right here. I'll talk about you daryl. You listen houston rockets. Actually received draft capital allots. Listen i'm not talking about the washington. Dc capital. I'm talking about mea. Draft capital into hybrid. Looks which which we never ever see how. Think i've seen a draft pick since royce white or or. I think we drafted jeremy lamb in them and then we might have had a sprinkle of a second round pick that we probably let go You know a year later. We always trade. Those picks which. I'm still very upset with a guard that we traded to the grizzlies A couple years ago. I was really really an unhappy with that Because i thought that he was gonna be a really good player. And that player is the anthony. Melton just got the extension last year with the grizzlies ray player yet. But we're not. We get draft capital. first round. Picks galore brooklyn's unprotected twenty two twenty twenty four and twenty twenty six deals and then we're going to swap which usually for those that don't know the swap whoever has the best i guess yes Whoever gets to ever had best which is a possibility that it can go either way. So twenty twenty one twenty twenty three twenty five and twenty twenty seven we're talking abou swapping whoever has the best. Whoever has the worst they swap it. So kicker cleveland cavaliers twenty twenty two first round pick and if they do wind up getting rid of you know andre drummond which was speculation that resolves and they do continue to lose that picnics year. Going be a good pick. That could be potential top ten top fifteen. Pick right there exactly. So we're talking about ideal that really propels the rockets into a different game. They could kind of they can kind of buy in to what silas is trying to do. And that's why i'm rejoicing amounts side my apartment. I'm walking around. The weather's nice. You know i'm. I'm really feeling this since of goodness you could probably say that the dock was going the glow very close and very close. And it's so funny. Because you know. And i think i sent you the book earlier that i was reading about a danish happiness and About him how. Those countries like the happiest countries and it's called hookah like and it's i. I was in a hookah space. Like i was so happy. I'm like so joyous you know. I got a good meal. I had a good drink. I had a good walk. You know everything's going good. Then you drop this great news on me and now here we are an hour or so later and just so three up so much so that he might ask the twenty. Twenty-one joking i'm joking. Hookah denied doc. Meatless talk about moving forward now. The rockets don't need to tip tank eto greater dayton still and and said this year even without playing hardened could be both said. They're proud just letting heart and sit on the bench because he doesn't really help out when he's in the game in pink. I dunno if i know. Chris paul said about i know russell westbrook set it and i've noticed it after after rests said it Whenever the play doesn't involve him he doesn't move. He goes to the wing usually on the left and he stays there so the defense. I mean they kinda you can kinda see it but when he has the ball. Obviously he's really well some interested to see you know if he plays the same way. You know under steve nash. Hopefully he doesn't. Maybe steve nash in honestly the reason why he probably went to brooklyn obviously is because of Mike d'antoni of course He probably say you know what you. Don't go into play with daryl on mike. Mike obviously knows what james can do and he probably would really comfortable in that system so he decided to go there. I don't blame. The nets gave up a huge hall. Mrs looking like kevin garnett and paul pierce all over again exactly like cult. Here's all over again hoping it works out for them but they're also dealing with career earning drama which you know. I was really really hoping not to see kyrie anywhere on this trade exactly. Yeah wanna steve. At all. I was looking. I'm like don't you dare tell me. They swapped for kyri. I mean he knows. Durham north korea thing. He was a deathly careering in that deal would have and he would have gave him a first round. Pick by maybe maybe. The nets will trae career. I don't know what's going on. But i mean they've pretty much destroyed the core while the problem is doesn't wanna play. It makes it really hearth treat. Maybe there's something in. I know one on the knicks fans that are upset because they didn't get james harden. We don't want. I don't want james harden on the knicks. I don't want that cap. I don't wanna de drama. I think we're building something here. That only really need is like a good piece. Maybe in the draft may be someone that's not a top-flight when it comes to contract situation wise like we can make some noise but everyone started to go crazy at the bottom three star and i'm like don't only games relaxing one but this is about this is about the james harden trade. I mean the meantime tenders does this. I mean quit of waste season through this look at it from. Let's look at it from all four team standpoints. So obviously the rockets haven't been winning What type of ball. But they've also been struggling with kobe. They have some injuries. Daniel house i think has a really really bad back I know christian would miss the game or two gogi missed a game at the but he's getting suspended for some re- suspended he keeps getting ojected for some reason. So that's why. I was really surprised that we didn't get a big in this deal. I was really really surprised. That we didn't try to jared allen deal or even somebody like andre drummond in this deal it would have been really really good for us to get just one more big. Because i feel like. That's what we need to compete with the lakers. After like we out rebounded Very often and i think having one more big wouldn't have hurt us. So the rockets. I think obtaining the services of the pieces that we got today and the peaks. Although it's not the complete hall that i thought it would be in granted. This trade could still expand you know. It's not set in stone but getting older depot making really helps. I think that's great for heart. Indiana's you don't get me wrong. i love delivered. I think a really good player. He reminds me of what i thought. Marshon brooks was gonna be which i really really like marshon brooks when he was in brooklyn But he's a really really good player can hold his own I think the nets going to a place where hey our team now is all about redemption. All of them. The whole team is redemption. Everybody's trying to prove something. Can i stay. Healthy can return a form you know. Can i coach in this league. You know am. I am i good. I think they can build around that and really push to be three to six seeded team. Axion between five and seven. So i'm i'm a more optimistic of course because i think with the system that saleh's put in play. I'm thinking three to six because of the players that they have and these guys were going to buy in and we've seen it work where when james harden on the floor where basketball plus is actually like better like sixty percent when james. Tamara hugh yeah huge margin because the ball movement stops. He doesn't play great defense. So now you're talking about getting older depot who plays defense you have emerging young player in jay sean tait You have some other young players that are coming in you. Get this other Riyan who again is going to get some time because he has a big frame and he can shoot the three and we need one player because a lot of people are getting hurt. So i think getting these players is going to be good so that's why i feel like the. It's i think the nets. I don't know because we're talking about jared allen chris carrots sliver taurean prance. I mean this is their core that kind of took them to the playoffs last year. Yeah spencer didn't we these out ir ears. I dunno learns dominating. I mean one moment one moment. He's you know lighting Called sage yet. You know he's lying sage and he's taking it around stadium and then the next minute you know. He's talking about being an artist. And then you know week later. He's gone so i don't know so. Kevin durant and james harden are into in brooklyn what they always wanted. I mean they have the andre jordan and have a few other players that i don't really know I just had a crazy thought. What if they ended up trading kyri for russell westbrook new that cajal you is now the same it is. It is and in kyrenia. Fortunately is he's done. He appreciates yeah granted. I didn't mean to say that they don't have anybody. So the net still have joe harris. Yeah it was a really good player. They still have landry. Shamet talla johnson. They got jeff green still so they do have some players. It's just those core people that they let go. Those are some big contributors. In my opinion jared the top shot blockers in the league last the last eight years and kind of six or seven man. Yeah pretty much. So do they still have some talent. But we're gonna see exactly what happened so with the pacers. I feel like the indiana pacers. Although they lose the veteran leadership of depot they could think getting with leeann. Levert comes in you know so. Bonus obviously is the guy that turning to with brogden and tj. Warren you have a young caches stanley. Who's up in a come up and comer jalen tj. Mcdonald's jeremy lamb just a holiday so they have a lot of pieces. A lotta guards that they can run with. And i mean you handle avert in there and i. I think that they have some real talent there. So i don't think still be seat. I don't think they're gonna be declining exactly And then the cabs. I don't feel like the cavs have really done anything over the years. Just trying and get better taller. If you're here i. I don't think they've done much to. I really bad value. I think they're still in a post or brown. Know that moment after if yeah granted in five and seven you know and the same record as my next. They have a better record in the rockets. I mean song sand. So it's like i can't really say anything right now. I still think there's gonna be lottery team. Have to do something they don't ever nobody wants to go to cleveland. And it really might be time for them to relocate. I mean they have been just drifting. I mean it's really unfortunate that they're still they're better than the pistons right now. And the raptors are to aid wizards at thirty nine or forty seven so at the very bottom. I'm really surprised. They're bound feeding. I'm pretty surprised at the raptors are struggling so much but they had to go through their issues of course So i think what the wait and see with them but huge win for the rockets. I mean i guess it's a win for the nets if that's what they really wanted italy and the the nets are in is in a win now situation which i can understand and to win the east. In fact to use our twenty. Twenty one catchphrase. The nets are down if you if you were in the navy mount them doubling down not definitely did And what a big way and raphael stone double down you know from his free agent acquisitions to this trade. He's really showing that he's the gm of the future and double down. He just really made him really smart mu no eight double down because i think doubling down because of comparative what the former gene did if you're going to be around. He is officially a mauri underlying like he's from the maury tree retreat sorrow. You would think he wasn't underlying you under his. You know A now he's he's been propelled into this unexpectedly propelled into this road. You think about it more. Darryl was still under contract but he chose to step away we went to the toll rant could be around that re be his curls. He's don't black folks okay But here we are couple months later in raphael stone. Who brought in some bigs. you know. Try to to satisfy some important knees that he felt we needed on the tame. Your some shooters you know. Got got into draft. Got some undrafted players that were really good and here. We are now with moving harden restructuring and getting that forty something million dollar contract out the book which is in bring deceived by the way you think about it. He moved both contracts rothe contracts. So you know. That's that's pretty big. You know to forty something made out of contracts. He's moved although we still have one with john wall people right now. There's only making twenty one million dollars yup so somewhere near where we officially. We're back in business. We can if we we don't have cat room. Were closer to being under the luxury tax. Yes now not so much this season but definitely next season so now win that bio market comes in and he was you know waving. We actually might be able to grab a person or two. That doesn't want to go to the lakers. That doesn't want to go to the leykis exactly so the nets this point. Yeah which could happen. It could very well happen. And maybe the rockets say. Hey we'll give all the depot thirty million dollars right now. Give you an extension right now. Four years thirty. Some million abbas kimball. That's still saved them. Fifteen million dollars. Yep so i'm okay with this. If they play a smart. Don't give you a big old anybo. If forty million dollars give him a modest thirty to thirty five over four you know let it let it be what it is. We're not doing. I know max deals or nothing like that. Don't do they call it a day. John wall victor depot. Eric gordon christian. Would you still got. Pj tucker you still got. You still got jason tate. And you got buggy. So i run it the way it is back. All you need to do is add one more big. Maybe a young guy cheap. That can do something. Yeah and run it. I like the people that we have. I liked david wa wa tate is good. I like macklemore when he's not heard. Let's just keep building. I like what he did the high starting to settle. But i'm really excited with what my man raphael dome shouts him. Hope that he likes you tweet especially after the waiver those comments and yeah. This is our breaking news talking about james harden trade. Make sure you likes subscribe. Give us a comment Give us your opinion about how you feel about this straight. You like it you love it. Hate it you despise it. I mean do you feel like you're team should have gotten it on his tray. What team do you go for. Let us know at beta box friends on twitter on facebook as well to in check out instagram. After give you more breaking news. i'm depressed. john. Gotti doc i god we'll keep doubling down the you piece. Not dealing with the usual riffraff here. I guess i have no choice.

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"Up soon. But I'm Frank SOLER as you might know me fill Frank Tony Kornheiser or as known on the set the corn star. That's funny. Yeah. I go straight to video making more money than ever. Would pill doing America. And I am living room a lot of people like your work. Yeah. We'll tell me all the time Gration. Gration? Well, going to be TI boys and girls on apparently the negative best Monday, though, I am doing our great friends from the athletic Frank solo. Sound of that's really bad. And we begin today with news from the NFL owners meeting that could change NFL replay. After NFL coaches voted thirty two zero to find a way to correct clear and obvious officiating mistakes. No matter how they happened. The competition committee has introduced a proposal that would solve the problem presented by that. No, call of obvious pass interference that sent the Rams to the Super Bowl and sent the saints home. Frank should the owners make this a chance amazing. It was still talking about this place. It's the, you know, the no call her around the world. But where are we gonna stop? I don't have a problem if they agree to these rule changes. But you know, there was a play also in the AFC championship game. Roughing the PASOK all against the chiefs that should have also been overturned. So Tony, I'm asking you. When would it stop? That's a very difficult question that to me that implies that it has to stop at some point. And if it has to stop at some point, then you're asking millions of viewers who have watched a coal be bad, see frustrated because the technology has shown them that this is a bad. Call and the league has done nothing about it. So I think it changed has to be made you can say to me will only going to do it in playoff games or only going to do it in the last five minutes, or we're only going to last thirty seconds as long as you do something when you talk about the no call her around the world. I do remember that the next day on all the morning news shows that led the nine shows and the NFL was tremendously embarrassed. They the coaches are saying right now unanimously this stuff has to stop. I think the owners listen. All right. I get it. So New Orleans upset they didn't watch the Super Bowl the ratings terrible. All right. But the fans in Kansas City, they have the same gripe. It was just a different call. It was. Agreed. That was a you. Huge play in the game. That was against Brady where they said that they rough Brady that was a little bit further up in the game that did not get the publicity because people are used to that. But as my point though, Tony once you start going down this road. Now, we're just gonna make it about non calls on passing. No, I don't I don't think it has to be that there's an Sean Payton has been talking for some time now. And I think he's doing one plus one equals three because he is saying that he feels among some owners there's a movement that the drama of the Nobel is very important. I think that speaks to the integrity of the game issue. I think ultimately sit in a room, and you say, I'm sorry. We have to get it. Right. A call like that we have to get it. Right. Play that, you know of we're going to be it's going to be forty years since the Mike Renfro play Houston, Oilers, Pittsburgh Steelers as such imaging Tony in January. It's going to be four years. We're still talking about this. So even if you make these changes is always going to be one play during a game that goes overlooked drank. There was a sweep of history that happens, and you are powerless. To try to hold it back at this point, the NFL must try to correct. They cannot sell the fans on the nose on. Sorry. That's not reviewable. No, you gotta do it probably to have to do it better Super Bowl. All right for months. We've been hearing free agent to be Leonard linked to the Los Angeles Clippers but TSN in Canada is reporting that the trial. Raptors officials are becoming increasingly confident that they will resign Kawai this summer co I seems like a pretty tough guy to read but TSN is reporting that the team is building a strong relationship with the former finals MVP. All right. Tony should they be confident that coli will resign? Oh, no, no. I should not be confident. I mean, he's sometimes he's inscrutable. You have no idea thinking about, but there are certain things that are factually true. Okay. He was born in southern California raised in southern California right near Los Angeles. We'll see Angeles might want to bring him home. The last time. I looked Toronto was not in Los Angeles. Toronto has bent over backward. Words for him. They let him sit out more games than Popovich ever. Let him sit up everything he wants he has gotten in an attempt to keep them because they look at the change at their team. Look how important years to that. But but if the question is should they be confident now. No now, I'm confident in Coalisland when he's out on the court once the playoffs start have confidence in him to me. And there's nothing against him. He's a flaky guy. He's also three who left the San Antonio Spurs. This is the gold standard in the NBA, the great organization, Tim Duncan. David robinson. They stay there. Forever. He wanted out. Yeah. I will say this about Toronto. And you mentioned the games. He's missed twenty games. They're fifteen and five in those games. They have handled this thing brilliant. I still think it was worth it. Even if he leaves you've never been to a final, you're adding a great player LeBron left you aided co Leonard. Maybe they believe it. But I don't know how you could ever get a read on Koa Leonard. Let's history for second. I mean, I remember when Alex Rodriguez was with Seattle and people who never leave here likes it. He says how much he. Left album, PU he'll never gonna leave Saint Louis, and he left there are people that want to be somewhere else for whatever that reason is he is very tough guy to figure out. Maybe he doesn't even know at the moment. But if you if everything on the fact that you think you've sold him you haven't sold him yet. And haven't here's here's something. Tony you go round the NBA. You talk to executives coaches agents players everyone thinks Leonard is going to the clippers last season. Everyone thought that LeBron was going to the Lakers turned out to be true. And that Paul George was gone. He didn't go he stayed in Oklahoma City. Right. So. You can ultimately believe what you want to believe he hasn't left yet. You can get a read on the guy. He's late in the second overtime of last night's game between Portland and the nets Portland's exceedingly valuable big, man. Yussef nurture came down awkwardly on his left leg. The result was to compound fractures, nurtures clearly out for the rest of the season. And maybe next season two. Frank Portland's currently fourth in the west where does this leave them? They're in a lot of trouble. Tony when they start the playoffs that season they will be on a ten game losing streak in the playoffs. And now you lost to guy who's been playing very well for them. He gives you that toughness inside any have thirty two and sixteen. I was only thirty four minutes because you know, people want to come out of the woodwork now say a double overtime game you play twenty minutes. He only played thirty four. He gives them some muscle inside. He's got an edge to he's not afraid to go at NB gone. Russell westbrook. Iman shumpert. It's it's a tough blow your buddies Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley two weeks ago. Both predicted there. That's at the time that Portland was going to be in the NBA finals or not nurse. I don't think out the I no, no, no, no. And he he may have a problem with the sport he has chosen because he broke the other leg couple years ago. You're in the business of breaking your legs in basketball. It's what did you? Tell me is father his father is a four hundred pound police officer in Bosnia. Yeah. I wanna see you mess with a tough guy. So I mean, I don't think they have any what strikes me whenever you see video like this Gordon Hayward had this soldier George had this Alex Smith has this right now Redskins quarterback. He's not gonna be back next year. When is men went down, however, many years ago that was and Lawrence Taylor is going like this get a doctrine here because the bone sticking through the guy's skin at that point other players when you see them turn away. You know, how serious this is. And they're thinking themselves my God, this could have been me as well. That is that is the surest sign that something desperately has gone wrong. And I don't I I don't know their team is no team has built to a stand something like this heading into playoffs in three weeks. Yeah. Now, I think he can come back injury. In fact, he had surgery today. No nerve damage muscle damage coming back. This news. Not by the way. Paul George was at two hundred fifty seven days he came back late in the season knowing that he was gonna play about a month and heading to another season. So who knows when there could be more than Hayward is back this year. Yeah. Most people think he'll be better next here. So it's cold. It's a three year. Paul, George and all right. The Utah Jazz couldn't stop Devon Booker from scoring fifty nine points. But the jazz went out of their way to prevent Booker from getting sixty Utah on technically your guy, the Anthony Melton in the closing. Second Booker a chance for sixty are. Now Booker had come out with five minutes left only to return two minutes later in a game. The sun's ultimately lost by thirty three. Tony. All right. Do you have a problem with the jazz or the sun's kinda Vialli some unwritten rule here? So the jazz look chintzy in what they did to deny him a chance to score more points. But the sun's look Chinse. Yes. By putting him back in just to get points in a game that they're hopelessly. So neither team covers itself with glory. I sit here all the time when we'll bounce it's in that seat. And he tells me that sons are just two years away. They're always to always two years away from being two years away. So at this point, I'm sick of them. This is the one of the oddest games that I can recall you cover a lot of. Call A guy goes for fifty nine fifty nine of the ninety two that his team scores. He shoots nine hundred thirty four and they lose by thirty three. That's unbelievably ought Tony. He comes out of the game. He's got fifty six. They've put him back in the why he wants to get six. So he's already had seventy and eager kacoos Koff the head coach of Phoenix. He's trying to keep his job. And maybe he's worried about his relationship. Devon booker. Maybe that plays into it. But I don't wanna hear about how this is good. And maybe this'll help build their cultural. You said two years ago. He's scored seventy two loss held up the piece of paper like he was we'll Chamberlain in a game. They lost where they've been. And he was only thirty under will wasn't only it. They've been one of the worst team will let me go. Let me go to the glasses and go to the numbers last four years wins for Phoenix Twenty-three weighs twenty four wins. Twenty one wins. And now seventeen they're not two years away from being good. They're two years away from the dog track. Okay. There is no reason to talk about. Or care about them at all in the show and what they put him back. Like that was the it's all the way around Phoenix. You wanna put him back into me? You can't blame Utah for doing. What they did like you're messing with the game. You couldn't blame Utah. If you stuck elbow in his throes baseball. Cole hamels would ahead. Right. That's the way it works. Let's take a break coming up until reading MVP candidates meet tonight who's having stronger season. And the thunder is a mess, but his bigger mess than the faucet. Self a toss up the corn scar. I don't know. I don't know works. Little embarrassing movie collecting. Toss up. Here's how it works. Franken. I take sides and then I declare victory. What's toss up which number one seed is more likely to get up set on Thursday, Gonzaga or Virginia. So it matters who they play. Yes. Zag who I fell in love with last weekend is playing Florida state would afford seat are on the other side of this Virginia righted the ship after almost going out in the first half the Gardner Webb. That was unbelievable. They're playing argon which is a twelve seeing maybe organs. Great maybe are has learned that there's so much better than they were when they finished fourth in a dog conference the Pac twelve but it seems to me that a four seat has a better chance against a number one. Then than twelve seat you rooting for Leno Hamilton seventy years old never been to a final four two more wins. He gets there with our to stay. That's interesting. I was actually I wasn't even really rooting. I had to admit that I was wrong about Gonzaga. He's gotta get shut down. But Oregon I'm going to pick them because Oregon right now ten game winning streak in like, you said the Pac tin gets disrespected, it'd be Wisconsin Wisconsin Sierra, but they've been holding opponents to sixty four points per game. They can Virginia winner fifty. They can win fifty. They know how to do it Oregon. Okay. Next toss up. They played tonight stronger MVP candidate James harden or Yana Santu Cuco. So a couple of years ago when Russell Westbrook had all those triple doubles. Yes. I sat here. And I said I would vote for James harden for MVP because triple doubles didn't mean all that much to me. So you might think that I would say well, well, James harden score and all these points. So I would vote for to compose especially since his team has I think fifty five win. Yes. And hardens only has forty seven. But I'm impressed with the scoring that was their only path to victory for months when everybody else was out. So I would vote for harden. And we talk all last year about the way. Lebron carry the cats harden has carried the Houston Rockets. But here's my thing who votes for MVP wilbon the media. Yeah. And what is the media root for good stories like all the way back in nineteen ninety eight when we gave it to Karl Malone. Michael Jordan should have been the same guy. Ten times in a row. That's the point. Less your hardened got it. And now this year Jaanus with the big smile. I actually think he deserves. And I think the record has something to do with eight more wins. He's he's been the front runner role here. But as me about hard every time you talk about his scoring, Tony we mentioned, wilt Koby and Michael Jordan the same sentence everytime. His scoring has been denigrated I think maybe unfairly next toss up more of a mess. The thunder or the Celtics the Celtics appear to be an emotional mess and they've lost four in a row, but emotional mess, which is personified by kyri Irving, simply miserable every day of his life simply miserable. But Oklahoma City is a basketball mess. They have lost eleven of their last sixteen games since the all star game. They have the second lowest offense and lead yellower offenses you Knicks who are trying to lure in wins. I think that Boston cannon fact turn it around in the playoffs. I am less optimistic about Oklahoma City. Did you see playoff peas numbers? The other night. Ten for twenty nine Westbrook. Six twenty. And by the way last night. They lost to Memphis who did not have my comment so run of the gym. But to me, it's Boston everytime. Boston plays a very had to four-game losing streaks. Since y'all survey. They're eight and twelve less twenty and how annoying does it get every day. It's like the state of Kyrie Irving, the state of the bus and Celtics they'll be in Cleveland tonight, which is better for them winning losing the game. They win people say see once again winning without Irving. Yeah. I even make I understand that he's the focal point for what appears to be emotional discontent. But the other team in the better conference is sliding sliding but Boston Tony going into the season. We all thought they were the favorite right now. They were in the west with forty three wins. They would be in eighth place fight at the end of the place. That's up bore. Impressive. Donkey moment. Rudy go bear or Fram? Believe so go bear is a great dunker go bare two hundred seventy five dunks, which is apparently the most ever of a single season, which I didn't realize now really go beer has the dunk. He can't make a shot from outside of this young girl is high school. She's six one is a lot of high school boys cannot dunk six one. She puts the ball in one hand, she goes up. She dunks the ball rooting bears nine feet tall. That's why not done the ball schoolgirl. This very impressive. She put a Cambridge. Maybe is that how Francesca? Yeah. Believe me. I love the name. She's going to Stanford, by the way, the fact that she's six one it's not Candace Parker. Lisa, Leslie, we've seen female places mole six one that's playing above the rim. I hope she I wanna see a couple of dunks in college. Right. It's it's it has to you want me to go against Fran believing going to go bail can't never gonna pick the friendship guy over the you ever have known ever in your life. The number of most dunks in the season only campus though like twenty years ago. Right Howard, by the way, last one toss up which job makes more sense for Jason Kidd, the Lakers or cow. How easy okay. So kid is quoted as saying if you ever have the opportunity to wear the purple and gold cancern that down on quote, Seles made up his mind. Maybe it doesn't bother him at LeBron James will not listen to a word that he says, maybe when he coached the nets. And maybe when he coached the box. He had other players would never listen to a word that he says his career record is under five hundred head coach of I were he I would go to Cal my alma mater. Cal Cal sixteen and forty seven in the last two years five and thirty one in conference. So with kid wins twelve games in a year. They'll think he's Gregg Popovich, you know, you know, it's amazing. If he did go to Cal when he was a player there. And if he was part of the group that got the coach Lou camp Campanella he's going to become a hot bozeman came out. He's leveraging these jobs against when he wants to coach LA he wants to coach lake as you talk about improvement. You coach the Lakers you bring in a free agent, and you got a big time for agent plus LeBron than you could really they've missed the of six straight. You know, doesn't doesn't. Hurt him that when he got fired at Milwaukee. There was tremendous improvement with the next guy wasn't hurt. You have a the Lakers county on us. I n I think the Lakers, but I think he gets a better wrong cow sought. I wanna get close. Let's take one last close doesn't still to come could Tony Romo really walk away from broadcasting. What do what and you won't believe Colt? Mccoy's milk-drinking hat coma. Coys? Number two quarterback here in Washington. He also has a breaking. Yes. You know what? You know? Dad there? People have be thirtieth birthday. Von miller. One of the best defensive players in the NFL selected to the Pro Bowl seven times in eight seasons. Double digit sacks in seven eight seasons after he was named MVP Super Bowl fifty. The Denver linebacker has been betrayed by his team's lack of quarterback. And I find myself oddly drawn to those very weird commercials. He makes old spot. He is great goes, by the way. Ninety eight sacks the franchise all time record than happy anniversary Larry Bird and Magic Johnson on the stay forty years ago. Magic Johnson's Michigan state team. Larry bird's. Indiana state team to win the national championship. Their entry into the NBA that fall is widely credited with a revitalization of that lead the bird magic rivalry was on display in the NBA for thirteen seasons. It included three finals magic one to bird one one more important than their rivaling was there obvious, profound friendship and. Forty years later that friendship still exist, and they are both idolized for their basketball. Careers been books written. There was a Broadway play back that that game was put in the Utah campus in that smaller Llerena now the plane domes happy trails to this Dallas goal. The stars appeared to have an easy goal. But Winnipeg Jets forward Mark shy. Fli makes the great save with the blade of stick flipping the puck up and over the net. If you like that save you like this one to crane by Vincent tro. Check of the Panthers the other night both of those defensive efforts were better than New Jersey goalie Cory Schneider falling asleep at the wheel last night and letting in a goal from the red lamp, and he was screened side about the hockey files. No, not particularly. But I have some I have something at home. I have a drawing at home of Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, basically as babies in little uniforms and it signed by the artist whose name, I forget that. I have proudly had for at least twenty years now like very very at them to sign it give it to Michael wouldn't do that big finish here. Go the Mets and Jacob degrom of grief to a five year one hundred thirty seven point five million dollar contract extension. Good deal for him. Noah Syndergaard has spoken in the metro spot. That's had to do the fans are happy. Finally, the sporting news reports Tony Romo wants ten million a year from CVS or you could walk away at a legitimate legitimate thread in the sensitive. He walked away. Everybody else would hand him the money and sign I gotta try that Jon Gruden says the raiders keeping the door open for marshawn Lynch think he'll play again, Leonard. He's like a flaky guy. I don't know. Maybe he'll come back. Jay Gruden says Colt McCoy drink count of raw milk every day, quote, straight from the tape your thoughts what we followed Jon Gruden would Jay Gruden. I wanted you rated combs breaking his leg. But this must mean he has a cow in the backyard last one magic he'd tonight with eighth grade for these on the live guy Landau has one five zero by the way, Steve Clifford. They're starting back court Orlando DJ all ever corner. Wall start that we're out of time. We'll try and do better the next. I'm told me corn and Frank same time tomorrow Folketing at the PTI podcast on the ESPN app or apple podcasts. I really wonder if he has accounted backyard. I robbed light CA. Shoutout. Thank you.

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Southeast Division Offseason Preview: MIA, ATL, WAS, ORL, CHA; Daryl Morey hired in Philadelphia

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Southeast Division Offseason Preview: MIA, ATL, WAS, ORL, CHA; Daryl Morey hired in Philadelphia

"Hello and welcome to the game. Theory podcasts bureau Sam Foreseen. We Are Presented by the athletic today on the show. Nicayenzi Dunkin from the basketball news here Nicolaas. The last one we did got such a strong. Response that I felt like it was a no brainer to bring you back man how you doing. I am doing quite well honestly a little surprised that the support I got people. We're pretty excited about it. I'm definitely glad to be the thanks for having me. It was a superfund conversation. It's always great when the response to the podcast publicly is as good as like the conversation you have is like the last one I did with seth part now is the same deal the time before that was the first time I had James Edwards on and it was the same thing like everyone was like super super complimentary about like the conversation at James had and then in the middle of the conversation with James. We as looked down at the time and it was like Oh shit we've been talking for an hour and it felt like ten minutes you know one of those like it's always great when that happens in the last time that I do on, it felt the same way. So we're giving you a full episode this time and we're going to talk about the Daryl Morey decision to go be the president of basketball operations in Philadelphia in addition to a A. Division review of the offseason. So we're going to run through the Miami Heat the. Washington. Wizards the Orlando Magic. The Charlotte Hornets the Atlanta Hawks. So Let's start with the Daryl Morey news that he's going to Philadelphia. Did this surprise you it all it did surprise me a little bit just in regard to the timing. Surprised that Darryl got that job. Honestly like I'm not surprised that it was Philly just surprised at that opportunity opened up to him as soon as it did. I figure that feeling was pretty much done making their major moves after the dot hiring a thought, they were going to give Elton brand guess another run at it or maybe hire someone in the front office, the kind of help them out with some of those responsibilities as he continues to grow in the role. I figured are more is GonNa. Take a year off just based on what he dealt with in Houston this year. So for him to pop up with a five year deal just. Kinda caught. Caught everyone off guard. Yeah. Map Penny, you can go back and listen to a podcast The listeners can on October sixteenth where we talked about their own we talked about his legacy in Houston and how this ushers in an era change there and. One of the basically the last thing that Matt asked me was. What do you think the future holds for Daryl Morey and the first job that I brought up was Philadelphia Right They've been interested in the past that's not a new. That's not a secret right I think it's been reported that they've been interested in the past. I figured it would be the summer slash off season whenever that is think that it's probably going to be the summer but who knows with these new collective bargaining agreement negotiations up? I figured that it would be next year not this year I thought the Philadelphia always made the most sense, and then on top of it I tended to take Darrell at his word that you know I want to be around family I WANNA be around my daughters that are teenagers now and have be around and not have to work in all encompassing ninety hour a week job Being. A front office is so I assumed it would be next year but I think that the Philadelphia move makes sense for a number of reasons He's an East Coast Guy. It's a team that does need another strong voice in the front office. They're just so many different avenues. You could say why this is a home run for Philadelphia, and honestly if you're Daryl, there aren't many more attractive opportunities than this because Philadelphia. Is. An extremely talented team that is at a bit of a deer in terms of public perception. So, if you can make moves very quickly and turn around and do some things that can. Change the structure of this team and it results in success he's going to be seen. As an extremely positive in an extremely positive light here going forward as he is already. Absolutely, I feel like that fan base is definitely prime for some Ross the reconstruction. just off of the heels of Al Horford contract. Go back a little bit Markelle. Foltz deal that ultimately did not work out for them I, think of Daryl more. You can kind of flip the Ross on his head or even just make some moves along the margins to kind of build around Joyal and been I think that's GonNa put Philly. In, a great position moving forward, it's definitely going to boost his status as if it could get much higher anyway I think are more he's pretty highly regarded. As a move maker. So I think this definitely top tier job for him I'm interested to see what he does. Yeah and It's fascinating because this is so very clearly. This roster is basically the antithesis of what he had in Houston right Houston. They went as small as humanly possible with Robert Covington playing the five and a relatively heliocentric offense with James. Harden playing the lead guard next to Russell Westbrook and just surrounding those two with spacing options. The PHILLY Rosser. Zig while everyone zagging in super big if so. How does Darryl decide to reshape this roster in a vision that is consistent with what we know about Darryl is going to be the most fascinating thing to me because there are so many different avenues in ways that I think that he could go about doing that. Yeah. I think just from what we know about Darryl, his big thing is having star in place or having to stars in place. So the fat he's walking into a roster that already has stars or superstars depending on how you feel about Joel embiid. I think that's obviously huge for him. I think beyond that I think. move number one is trying to fall find the ball handler that's going to be the big thing for him my initial thought I made kind of a joke tweet the counter days Joel, and be just to see if they're gonNA, flip him for a guard or try to downsize and kind of build around Ben Simmons, but they can. Take a little deeper on it. Honestly. I would not be I. Think you kind of have to thank Chris. Paul is in play at this point if he wasn't already that that relationship is already they're. They're obviously isn't afraid to move peaks to bring in guys that he likes. and. I think that kind of I mean different that makes. Sense to go get Chris Paul in kind of direct the offense. Has To pull up jumping the way that he does. That a strong voice in that locker room debt. Definitely. Needs one. Just from somebody whispers did you hear coming out of that Locker Room? Of I think that's going to be the big thing despite the somewhat create off the bounce. Yeah I totally agree in it's creating off the bounce in half court settings in finding guys who can be pull up threats late and shot clocks in half court settings. This team struggled you know very publicly in fourth quarters this year right in part I. Think it's because defenses tighten up it gets to the point where they don't have some elite option as away Chuck Lock Guy to they can just down defense and get a relatively Maybe not efficient by the standards of the average one, hundred nine offensive rating offense in the NBA right now but you know, can you get a forty five percent look From the mid range can you get a a shot that you know you're not just putting the possession at the end of the day and? I really went to bat for Philadelphia trying to acquire Chris Paul at the deadline. I thought that they should've moved have an earth to try and do so. I think they would've been favorites. In the east they would have done. So like I believe that strongly in that fit so if they can find any way to do that if Given. What? I I can't imagine a world where Presi sees anything though on this philly roster that appeals to him like the number twenty, one, thirty, four, and thirty, six picks. There's enough of a market for Chris Paul. This summer to where I think he goes for more than like. Those picks plus Matisse thighbone and Matching right. Yeah I think is going to take a little bit more than that. They're going to go into the future will of I don't know how comfortable they would be doing that but I think it would take those peaks of like I. Don't think Horford. Gets it done I think he would probably take some convincing on like Tobias Harris the see they interest there. Especially if a thunder lose Danilo Gallinari off season. Fit if they want to continue to be competitive there. But yeah. I think the market Chris GonNa grow like there's enough smoke with the Knicks Philadel- try it even if they shouldn't yeah So I I mean just right there there's that's all the team you need to be against them so They. have their work cut out for. The Knicks have those to Dallas pixes well from the KRISTAPS Porzingis deal. They have their own number eight overall pick obviously Mitchell Robinson and RJ Barrett if Oklahoma City has interested in either of those two so. Yeah. I struggled see how Chris Paul gets done. There I mean. The big question to me. Is. How long does Darryl keep together Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid. If I was them. What I would do Is I would literally like have a meeting with their amaury and Ben Simmons and say like, Ben, are you willing to shoot threes are you willing to actually work at this and if the answer is? Great. I'm in you are one of our to franchise players if Ben Simmons is not willing to work on that part of his game. In this comes from someone who is the biggest Benjamin's fan in terms of upside like I think there's a very real case for building around him instead of Joel embiid. I would really strongly consider tossing an offer to his old stomping grounds for James Harden. Involving Bentsen's. That's interesting. I definitely see fit there I probably go the other way I. Think it's just worth building around Ben Simmons period. There obvious health concerns with Joel embiid. Already has a little bit of knowledge on the knees there and just in general i. Kind of struggled with what a contender built around Joel embiid and this post those looks like yeah. There there have been some there's been some improvement with him as a passer gets double teams, but it's still isn't there. The three point shot has never been dare even everyone falls for his fate for some God forsaken reason. But just. It. You're just kind of limited in what you can do around Joel and team I feel like. Side think it would be worth it for Philly. If they aren't going to build around the margins, which I think is going to be one try to get a I call or someone but if you're going to trade wanted to I, think it's Joel Yard Have Been Simmons Lot he's younger. Even, though he doesn't shoot threes he generates threes at a higher rate and just about anyone the league I think he was what top top three in assists reporters last year over the last two years. So I, think you have a ready-made system just gotta go four out of five out around. Ben. Simmons. I I think that's the way you go with it. So. If it was me yes. That's what I would prefer to do. which pairing do you think is better Ben Simmons and James Harden or Joel embiid and James Harden. I would probably go harden and Simmons. I think you get more you get more long term value there a feel. Like Bend Kinda thrives if you're talking in a half court setting like I think you're going to get more out of a heart and Ben Picking Role than you would would harden be roll and be just hasn't shown that he can be an elite target bear. Despite his tools to touch the size the live like he doesn't have much vertical pop. And he also doesn't roll very hard. So I don't think you create the same things if you're running with them as the screener like if you're not trapping James Harden. Then, debts trouble and if you do tramps James Heart and good looks talking Ben Simmons on the Forum or whatever. So I will look into that and I think you're if you're building around like James heartening someone I think you kind of have to be a team that's willing to switch. Because I don't you're not gonNA. Have James Harden fighting over screenings coverage have enough evidence to see that he's. Going to do that. and He's used the. Defender to. Right. Right. Right. So I think if you're going to a switch heavy scheme, especially like flea situations haven't been simmons makes more sense there than Joel. I think there's just more there would harden Simmons. Think I actually agree with you the more that. Like I did not go into this conversation having really thought about this because, hey, it's thirty in Australia and I haven't really woken up yet. But. I think I agree with you. If you could like if you think about who the best small five in the NBA would be. There's a very real chance. It could be Benjamin's in like two years. Like. Just the skillset. From skill perspective fits that fits that ideal. Like. He gives you the athleticism. He gives you the short roll play making obviously gives you the finishing. His arm he doesn't have super long ours but he's explosive enough to way account doesn't matter. Does minutes into passing lanes can defend a bunch of different players I. Think, the future is there for him like if you want to downsize, we'll being Sims that defied you can do that. Yeah. No I totally agree with that. I. Think that it probably I mean at the end of the day like it does hurt Philadelphia's defense but. You move. Man It's hard to trade Joel embiid though like it's hard to wrap my head around that given everything that he is the Philadelphia and like we're really just. Going crazy here talking about this I feel like on some level like it feels feels very, very, very premature but. This roster is just so unlike anything that Daryl Morey has ever. Had at the end of the day I guess he was there early on with the OWL years but. Even that roster was not as big as this roster like this roster unwieldy a lot of ways because of AL, Horford at the four Horford at some point I would think is gonna go but maybe not. Yeah and I think that's another benefit. If you do decide if we're just talking getting James heartening there if you're flipping embiid form then I think that's added benefit there because it opens up more of a role for Al Horford you can kinda recoup some of that value. He's not. He's not going to match divided contract especially at this point, but he can get closer if he's actually playing the five just because the shooting the play making opens up more against centers than it doesn't get a divorce. So I think that's definitely a smaller element to it. At the end of the day, they're probably GONNA make the moves on the margins for this year. See if they can make Ben Simmons Joel embiid fit work. Next year when conversations about 'em beedon get serious This is the first year where if they were to start poorly. It's going to get loud Y- conversation will actually move to the forefront like it's been simmering underneath and. Philadelphia fans have an opinion on it, but I think that that becomes like A. Talking Point if Philadelphia starts poorly this year, the Simmons and EMBIID FIT in a way that tends to end with a pairing staying together. It's never felt natural. I think if they start off slow like you have to kind of go towards that way it a certain point. A couple of other random moves that could make some sense brought up the buddy healed and Al Horford. Centered trade before how would you feel about that for both of those teams? I would love it for Philly just a adding shooting and be adding some movement shooting I think would be huge for them. You already saw. Canada the. Chemistry that Jj Redican Joel embiid head on those dribble handoffs and their screening gashes like that getting buddy healed involved some of those even if you haven't been Sim as the Guy Setting the screen for but he'll become ofo that just opens up a lot of things if you go too far over at as opening a short roll opportunities for been. A great fit for Philly? It. Seems like buddy wants out of the air defence role is not something that he likes. For Sacramento I guess is just what else are they getting outside Horford because there's obvious benefit for getting Horford they're like I still think he's good I don't think he's as bad as this showing in Philly was awkward form, but they're going to have to get. Something, right? Yeah. I would think that number twenty one would be in the mix there like could you do Horford and twenty one for healed? Yet, probably makes it closer in Philly steel as what's early second round picks thirty, four and thirty six. Yes I think. Yeah I think you could sacrifice the first round pick a debt gets you but healed. Yeah I think that that's that's the route I would try to go I. Don't know if Sacramento feels the same way if they even value Horford in that way this new front office again. Funny Story About this now Daryl Morey is the Philadelphia Seventy sixers president of basketball operations. The General Manager in Sacramento is Monte McNair who worked Daryl Morey for a long time in Houston? There is be some synergy there. I would think in terms of. At least being willing to have an open conversation about it. Right do I think that money McNair and the way that Houston people tend to think about basketball tend to think that someone like Al? Horford makes sense next to. Marvin. Bagley. And guys like that. Not. Really. But. If you're getting extra assets on top of it and you're getting off of a year of Buddy, heald's deal maybe there's a chance that. There's like that thought is more positive. It gets tricky in hurry. It gets very, very tricky hurry. It would definitely take some convincing I. Think the other part if you bring Horford in there, I do think he can help take some responsibility in the half court off of the earned Fox As he continues to grow as like a pull up shooting. Justice just. Yet. There it is. Just having deemed Fox Kinda jet off of those and get to the room have Al Horford, popping out, open it up space for everyone else like I think there's a there's definitely a half court fit there, and if the Kings are going to be series about making the playoffs in which I mean, they're definitely trying to training at way if they stay healthy, they're going to need a little bit more in terms of court creation they're going to have to help the earned somehow. someway. So just getting go front court space Al Horford definitely hopes. Do you have any other thoughts on this Daryl Morey Choice I. I just want know I think this is. If this goes right. Daryl Morey is GonNa go to the hall of fame like I think there's a reasonable chance that there's a real case that there should be a hall of Famer already he was just so at the forefront of the analytics revolution that has taken over offensive basketball. In such a real way in the NBA that it's really really hard for me. To not look at him as one of the most influential people in basketball history at least like by hall of fame, Standards So. If I was. If I was voting on such a distinction, he would get in but think that if he's able to bring Philadelphia Championship in any regard and there is enough asset value and talent on this roster to do so. That is like a no-brainer Hall of fame potential outcome for him. At that differently does it. As far as the straight thoughts I don't have much I'm just going to be I'm just going to be watching to see what kind of point guard they can bring in. Of that's that's where they're going to be the big thing. You can't have shape Milton as your primary. Yeah. Yeah agree. We'll take a quick commercial break. We'll get to the southeast division off-season. Previous. Before we get back to the PODCAST, just a quick advertisement for you. Does it feel like you need to be on all the time. Every now and then it's important to stop and reset. 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Get the inside story on the importance of resilience plus gain insight development perspective and discover how real connection can lead to real wisdom in the world of business listened to boost my business wherever you get your podcasts. Let's start with your team that You know better than just about anyone the Miami Heat. Go to the NBA finals this year. have. Really. Rebuilt this Rosser over the course of really eighteen months to where they're now building around Jim Butler Bamut a bio. Dunkin Robinson and tyler hero I would say, those are the four core guys Anyone else in that group. no, it definitely does it I feel like the heat just from A. Just from a historical standpoint, probably view like you down as a pillar we're just talking on court. Right I I would understand that totally. The thing about that group though is that? They're gonna Max cap space next summer in a year where Yana Synthetic Combo and many many others are going to be free agents so I guess that my question is does Miami just look to run this back sign Gore drug itching Jae crowder too big balloon one year contracts, and maybe their Jones go because they're Jones needs to get paid in the the best way for him to do that as a sign a longer deal obviously they have Andrea. Agudelo under contract they have an option I believe on Kelly Olympic if memory serves player option Yep Yep. So I. Do they just run this back? Do you think or do they try to get creative in use some of those one year contracts on a different potential one year contract that maybe allows them to maintain that salary cap space and twenty twenty one going forward. I think they're going to hunt around to trade and market for guys already have like a year lift there's been smoked would be the depot for I don't know how long. similar things can be said about lamarcus Aldridge or tomorrow Rosen. So maybe use some of the contracts that they have. Maybe. Twenty pick in. NC The hunt around making it an upgrade their to where they improve the roster but they don't sacrificed twenty twenty, one space. But other than that, I would expect them to kind of run things back I mean they're operating as an over CAP team they're going to have. They're going to have the non taxpayer mid level not mistaken. That's a little bit over nine meal depending on what the CAP does. Data should put them in rampage to go for a like Paul millsap or just some of those kind of moves there where they obviously improved. Kinda improve their debt but they again keep that twenty twenty, one cap space. Yeah I agree I think ultimately going to be move here that they try to keep the twenty twenty, one cap space. The easiest way to bring in someone like a Victor Ola depot would be you know I would assume that this is co Lo. I. Think Victor's on a is it twenty one, million dollar contract You could probably do something like Kelly Olympic. Or Andrei Igwe Dolla Kendrick. In Chris. Silva, I think it's pretty close on the number one. Plus like number twenty for victory depot if they really wanted to try out all the depot. But obviously all depot. Comes with. Comes with. Questions just maybe the win potent. Obviously, very, very high level talent in terms of what he's shown previously back in the twenty eighteen season but he hasn't really been that guy since then since the injury has befallen him. I think I'm a little less concerned about him. actually wrote a piece a couple of weeks ago on older depot and just what trays for him with look like I'm. Concerned about bringing depot in because. Anything that's trained for him probably isn't bring him in to be a primary guide. and. We have enough of a sample on like catch and shoot jumpers. To where he's been pretty solid, he's floating around thirty eight percent over the last three or four years. Sought, they put him more of an acidic as a secondary guy letting him attack closeouts that way instead of having to be defense of hope helps him. And he still looked pretty good defensively least in the postseason he was doing a fantastic job. Kyle Duncan rob around screens. Switching across the perimeter when Andy started switching a little bit more thought think. That combined with happened just another or whatever offseason this is going to be just having a little bit more time to get his legs under him I think he's GonNa better and if you're making him your number two, your number three. I. Think that suits his skill set a little bit better. In his skillset fits really really well in Miami particularly just in terms of the athleticism, the switch ability, the length, the ability to handle ball in a secondary manner like you can maybe make a case that. Yeah, the catch and shoot. Is Consistent over year but maybe you don't WanNa pay pair a guy that has shot. What is I think is like thirty two and a half percent Over the course of the last two years twenty, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred, and twenty over. Games or whatever with Jimmy. Butler, who was also not really a threat as a shooter but. At the end of the day, I. Do think that. I'd be willing to take that risk if only for a year to see if it works out because if it does work out. It really really gives them an upper hand going forward. Right, that's the big thing for Miami. If that's the package or something similar if it's Olympic none twenty in another piece of Filler. Light debt doesn't interrupt outside of those two are rotation guys. But that's not those aren't any players that are in their core which helps and again, you still have that twenty twenty one space so even if it doesn't work. You let Depot Wall and then you go big fish hunting that summer. Yeah No, no question I think that's right. Is there any other name out there that you think make sense for them? In terms of trade target or free agency or trade with trade target. For this off season? No. Like I've. Just talking to a few of my heat house like. I can almost be taught into lamarcus Aldridge if it's Olympic in something. buttered in debt no I think just making some minor splashes in free agency makes more sense for Miami. I would actually Kinda love lamarcus Aldridge there. But I I love lamarcus Aldridge is the player I understand that the. Style of play is not particularly attractive to watch but. Man Do I just love. I, love watching him I. Love the way that he goes about it. He's just got like a very professional attitude that I think would fit well in Miami despite the fact that he seems like a pretty laid back dude. I would. Be Very interested in Miami seeing what they can do with lamarcus Aldridge because the other part of that is. A lamarcus Aldridge Bam at a bio front court is very fascinating to me. That could actually like really. Open up quite a bit for them. If lamarcus is willing to step back in like stretch to the corner from three, which I don't see a reason why he wouldn't be willing to do that. Differently Okposo space and it gives Miami just an end of the shot clock option there Bam, just isn't there yet in the market can spring Lindos post fades honestly until he's like forty five or fifty if he wants to. He's always GonNa have that shot he's basically a metronome. Just. Having that option to space element there already may pick and pop option for me below we're going dragged and he's Bag Dafa fit there. I, worry more about defensively if anything. Is there. How do you feel about Miami's defensive culture just being so strong that like. Anyone will figure it out. They'll make anyone work on defense like Kelly Olympic fights, but little Kelly. Olympic doesn't exactly have like the best physical tools defensively and they make it work tyler hero they make it work. Tyler hero fights but you know Duncan Robinson works hard. But these guys aren't necessarily super high level defensive talent guys and they still make it work. I think that's fair to point out and even on Aldridge I. There was what a two nuggets early portions of the San Antonio stint to where he was really good positionally. Wasn't necessarily a stout reputation just into right spots helping them kind of impositions there. So if he does take a step back offensively, maybe there's room to make the argument that he'll be fine. If he's fine on defense than debt raises Miami ceiling quite a bit just because of the added shot Christian they get offensively. Is there a free agent that you really really like from Miami? Man I would love for them to get Paul MILLSAP. I think. MILLSAP THE IT looked like he lost maybe half a step during the postseason but I also attributed to him having so much responsibility defensively would denver showing Yokich is high they do and he kind of has to be that back line guy I'll think he would have to do in Miami and if he doesn't have to do that. Then you can switch them you can drop them. He'll be in the right spots offensively he does a little bit of everything. I mean, there's already made their career high in three point percentage last year for not mistaken somewhere around forty three percent. Of there just isn't anything to Paul Millsap can't do, and if you're telling me, you can get them for basically the mid level exception or a little bit under depending on what he's asking for a lot I. Think you do that ten, nine, ten times. Yet doesn't bother me I like millsap and he again like another guy that just fits everything from their work or. Someone that look like? With Miami I keep talking about culture as opposed to like basketball fits like on some level like Paul millsap work in the construct of their like dribble handoff, versatile defense and stuff at thirty six years old. I mean look like they're probably involve him in like a ton of gerbil handouts probably be spacing opposite corner at that point like I think I'd rather just keep Jae. crowder. And give him like a massive one year balloon payment I mean maybe you could bring in. Both. Duncan Robinson Jae crowder maybe you'd be bringing in millsap almost like a Derek Jones replacement at that case. Is that? We're. Eating those minutes. Yeah I think so like I don't envision Jerry Jones Joe you being but let me take the big if I were making that decision dear Joan do not bag play I just have too many questions about him in a playoff setting. Obviously he agreed he barely played like. As much as he can throw those limbs kind of everywhere on defense, he's not an elite defender by any stretch. And then offensively, if he's not toss again, lobster cleaned off in the glass, what is he doing? He can't dribble he can't shoot. Is. Only so much you can do there. So you're telling me you can swap out Jerry Jones junior minutes for Paul millsap like sign me up. Yeah and the funny thing is that. I. Mean if we're talking mid level like. MILLSAP probably does not get like a crazy amount more on the market than Derek Jones does because if I'm a team like Detroit, Cleveland Charlotte etc and I'm trying to build like a defensive culture. I'm probably taking a shot on Derek Jones's upside in saying like, Hey, this guy is twenty three years old. Let's take a shot on it and see if he continues to develop in the way that the flashes we've seen defensively real. So. It gets real tricky I think it gets I would be surprised to see Derek Jones back but I actually like Jones and The problem is that it's just a different time line for Miami right now. Derek. Jones makes more sense on a team that's developing. Miami is no longer developing my Miami's always developing I guess just given their structure and thought processes and things but MIAMI, is in a place where they're trying to content and I don't know the Derek Jones really helps you contend next year necessarily. So I liked that I liked the MILLSAP move a lot actually. Is there anyone else that you really really like. IF? It's not mill. Setup. top allow would probably be west. Matthews if a ops out or be the heat one, add another wing. They want to count just take some of that responsibility for Jimmy, Butler and playoff settings with like with Matthew. Fits. good. Three point shooter of can get you a guard post every not every now and then but I mean the defense is obviously to call and car they're Jimmy. Butler knows firsthand like he was west medical, basically the. Guy That defended Jimmy Butler well in that book series seemed like Donald. Duck under a screens, but that's a whole different argument. I think West would be a great. He's a great agree for any contender. Degree Wes Matthews makes a lot of sense for them. I'm trying to think if there's anyone. Else I mean like they could have a very real need at the point guard spot. If Goran dragic decides to go elsewhere like if he decides sign like this one year balloon payment in Dallas right or something like that. I'm trying to think of the guy that makes the most sense for me like I I would really it's a totally different player but like putting Chris done in Miami. Just letting him go nuts and like hound opposing players be all about that like hard work culture That's a fascinating idea for me. I think that they would get the absolute most out of him. That would be fantastic It really any guarded at mood him on Japan Carter of the sons don't bring him back or they toss out offer sheet that Phoenix won't match. Our role in a heat preview a few days ago with the heat do go to cap face route, renounce their guys. Honestly I would try to throw offer at the Anthony Milton I feel like that would be a great young guy to throw money at a fantastic defender. Growing as a pick and roll guy does that to see what the shot does the definitely the kind of guard defender that they need in a vacant dot, an offer sheet debt wouldn't take them out of a Max Lot next summer. Loud. That's great. Moved on mate. I'm trying to think if there's any other guy like. I. Think team should be trying to chase brin. Forbes. Interestingly like Britain Forbes I think as a shot to be pretty valuable piece for someone That's one that makes some sense to me for. MIAMI. Given their just play off of screens the way that they deal with handoffs. If I was saying, Antonio, it'd be trying to keep in Forbes but. Not, a crazy expensive price tag on him potentially and a guy that I think could really help and fit within the context of their scheme. Is there anyone else out there I mean? Joe, Michael Green. would be really good. I think there I, think probably get the most out of him but. I would also be really trying to keep him if I was the clippers to so right? Yeah I mean it's A. This summer for Miami. Is All about SORTA kinda running it back and adding on the margins if you can. Or trying to like a splashy like victory depot kind of move that also maintains future salary cap space. Right. I mean, they're in a fantastic spied their position to retain their guys. The have an exception on a free agent market that's probably going to be a little bit lighter than anticipated because of the cat being up in the air. They're they're in a position to a peace without sacrificing their big goal and they've made quite a free to see pitch already get into finals the soon as they did A. Pretty good spot for Miami to be. Yeah kind of a not particularly sexy conversation to have with the heat though because of that because it's so much of it is like a waiting period this summer so that they can maybe take a look at next summer. Let's. Let's go to Atlanta Atlanta is in a pretty. Interesting Ish spot they do have the number six pick. I think that they want to try and make playoff push next year with trae young with all of these young guys they go out and acquire Clint Capella for the number sixteen overall pick in this year's draft, which actually quite liked that move. I think seventeen now. Yeah. I quite liked that move I thought it made some real sense for them to go out and get a win now piece I thought the value was right. Out and get a league average starting center for the number sixteen overall pick that can be a really good dive threat with trae young. You know sensible move in that such a price tag to where. It's it doesn't kill you even if you have to play Clint Cappella Twenty, four minutes a game because you can't close with them. In Games so I thought that was a really good piece of work I like all of the moves basically the Travis Schlink his made over the course of his tenure in Atlanta you know barring a few but. You know it just hasn't quite added up to wins yet, which is interesting on its own and trying to figure out how to make that. Jump into wins and losses is a really interesting. Thing, to figure out because if you're Atlanta, you have real cap space this summer. You have all the options that you want your disposal. Now, it's just filling in on the margins and trying to figure out a way to win now. So if you were them. Who are the guys that you would be looking at is real potential targets. I think. They have too simplistic as it is. They have to look at just about anyone that can defend because the I I mean the what they're gonNA have to contend with a trae young team is put defenders around him. So I think. What you would want to do is try to get a front court partner that can clean up some messes or at least offer some versatility with switching de can kind of keep guys front. So like I'm looking at a guy like Jimmie grant. A guy that can run with trae young and transition really good cutter. The jumper teams don't necessarily guard like a shooter, but the jumper is coming along and has been for a couple of years now. Obviously, fist at timeline of age. I. Think that's the kind of guy you can afford to throw out. Four year deal worth fifty or so million and not feel bad about it. Yeah. I. Like that Jeremy Grant is still a bit younger than I think what people realize because he entered the NBA at such a young age Jeremy. Grant is only twenty years old so he doesn't accelerate this age time line in like a super substantial way you could imagine him being there in his prime for four years. Another guy that fits the time line that I've talked about before on the podcast is St Anthony. Melton. If I was Atlanta. They need a backup point guard option they need someone that is a backup point guard that can potentially play with trae young in push him off ball times. Everything about the Anthony Mountains game screams. Levy an enormous offer sheet to try and seal him from Memphis I. Think. Absolutely they. That's the kind of guard offended echoing. You can help titrate with even going back a little bit earlier with my conversation. I think Derek Jones junior in Atlanta is perfect for him. To have the cat space, the pay 'em he fits Adrian rage on versatile defender. With trae young being arguably. Best law passer in the NBA. Envisioning fast-break with Trade John Collins in Deir Jones Junior is going to put butts in seats. I think I mean that's that's a smaller move. But one that makes sense for both parties feel. I. Think the. I agree with that I don't think I would pay like a crazy amount like if I was them I'd be trying to get your grant like four years fifty, five, million. If I was them I'd be trying to offer Anthony Melton for years fifty, five million which seems like a lot for de Anthony Mountain but that's probably the number you can get to you to try and steal him for Memphis so. I'd be looking at those too heavy with their Jones I mean if you could get him for like. Four thirty. With a team option on the end of that deal feel better given that he's been a much less effectual player than those two so far but. Man It gets tricky. It gets real tough. On this free agency market to find the right guys. Is. So we're in, that's what also concerns me about Atlanta because they want to make a playoff push, but it doesn't feel like they're ready to do it yet. Like, they have the offensive engine trade have John Collins who could probably be classified as a stretch big. Now because I believe in the three point shot, there's no reason not to at this point. Click Capellas. there. Cam Reddish it depends on which version we're GONNA see like post, January. That is a wing that fans should definitely be excited about just the play making the drunk driving defense especially, the defense he was good defender all year long. Awesome. After year turn to twenty twenty, like he looked like a real. Different he looked like a totally different player like the poise, the confidence the. The game slowed down for him in such a real way that I thought was actually pretty real. In terms of that leap. If that leap is real then that makes things. A kind of makes things difficult for Kevin heard of moving forward I'm not sure what his long-term future in Atlanta is. Like. A sick. Yeah. Heard in particular fits as the second day of Creator Defense isn't there on he still doesn't get to the rumour ton which I think you need them where they can get to the room the cat take some pressure off a trade increase catching opportunities for him. Now know of hers that Guy. Yeah Kinda sneaky good pick and roll player. But not a good enough pick and role player to get downhill right? Like it's more a similar. You know not a similar picking player to trade necessarily. But just in the way that like you know they use change of pace and you know they've really good footwork and can get into the paint and then make like a kickout passer shoot a little floater like you know it's it's not that like downhill pick and roll threat that I think Atlanta could use an like D Anthony Mountain Sorta Kinda does a good job getting downhill but like isn't quite a good finisher to really. Be of concern to opposing teams. The other option here is obviously the number six overall pick, and if I was them, I'd be looking heavily at tires Halliburton because. Halliburton. Brings you a lot of what the idea de Anthony Melton. Is Plus just being bigger six-foot-five. Guy. A guy that can guard both ones and twos really really good unselfish teammate makes all of the guys around him. Better just through his sheer presence can play in pick and rolls the secondary playmaker. Honestly can be a backup point guard whenever you want to take trae out. It's just kind of a perfect fit for everything that they need to bring that roster in that backward together. I'm interested to see if they look into moving that pick though to be honest another guy by the way that I think makes a lot of sense for them. If they were to trade down like if they could move number six down to number fourteen or something like at Boston wanted to trade up. Or number thirteen and try to get a player. In there in Atlanta. I like the idea of tyree Maxi in. ATLANTA. A lot too. If they wanted to move down because he is the kind of guy that does get downhill in really can attack the basket in a real way with his driving ability. And is also a good point of attack defenders will of when you said you were gonNA trade down I was about to ask you how would you feel about coal anthony and a trade acid because he seems like a guy that can also get downhill yeah. I think that'd be interesting I'd be worried about like a is issue there because you know I think Paul Anthony is probably six to and has very short arms. Call or trae young is obviously like six foot with not great length. So I'd be worried about pairing those two together. I'd feel better about pairing like tirees Maxxie who's six three with a six seven wingspan pluses two, hundred pounds then I would call anthony with trae young but. I don't hate it like I I'm intrigued by that idea due to his downhill athleticism for sure. The problem is finding the right deal for them to like move down. And virus them like I would. Like. Phoenix doesn't really have that Guy San. Antonio, like maybe it's San. Antonio. I mean May- Maybe San Antonio would want to move up to number six to the point where they would offer. devante. Murray. I don't know if I would like that for them. San Antonio just has so many interesting guards in general. Yeah. Like do they. Can Get Yekeh Kong Wu at six like if they really liked Yucca because they want a big man like. Could you do if you're? Them, could you do like number six plus something? For, John, Murray, and eleven. Honestly. If you're Atlanta would use do number six for John Murray. I probably would like. I. Don't like you follow this draft and you have a better handle on the draft and I do but I don't if the class. Yeah and John Murray is yoga enough to where. You're not missing much in terms of like the young value there, and he's also really freaking good like if you're you're talking about a guy that can defend than cover for trae like Dante Murray is on the shortlist of guys at the top of the list there. I really like I don't think I would need something else other than Dijon. Say I think I would need like one other. Piece but the piece is not number eleven like I would not do eleven devante Murray to move up to six if I was saying Antonio but like. Could I do something else like is there? Another is there like a circuit breaker piece there that could make sense to include with John Murray. To get number six maybe like that. That's actually that's an interesting one to me if I was in on Atlanta. How to San, Antonio feel about Luca I guess. Yeah. Would they be willing to part with him I? I'm not? Lucas. ALMANAC guy. I don't know that that'd be the piece for me a thousand Atlanta either. Yeah, it can't be Lani Walker. Brin Forbes is obviously A. Free agent this year. So it's not him like. It's it's hard to find that single circuit breaker piece because I think I. would want more than John Murray entering a four year sixty, four, million dollar deal like is that something else? Forty one overall? I don't think I would want even a little bit more than that to be honest even though I like the depth in the draft. Would San Antonio Killed in. I think I wouldn't. If I was saying Antonio I don't think I would do that and I think that's too much. There's something here though like there's there's something to this like it's Maybe it's. Super Protected first round pick in the future right and like you know one through twenty protected pick. And then it becomes like three second rounders or something. Like. I kinda dig this idea though is where I'm where I'm going with this is on the. CSC. Give Me Trey Johnson I'm here for it. Yeah. That seems like the kind of. Creative move that helps Atlanta wind sooner keeps them within their. Window keeps them within. Their Time line in terms of like looking toward the future as well as now. I don't know there's something to that though it but again, like Atlanta needs defenders that's where we're at Atlanta up needs defenders. going. To be. Made, are they aid? Could they possibly trade up from six maybe six and like herder put them in range for guy late Anthony Edwards just to get a a downhill presence. Let's say some pressure off for trade does that appeal to them at all? I am a little bit worried about Anthony Edwards in Atlanta. But. I don't hate the idea in like Anthony Edwards defensively as well. Seems concerning to me just given his flat out Just Apathy defensively as maybe the way to put it just did not care defensively in a way that would concern me playing him next to track. Is it not compared him to Ben Simmons obviously. But like in terms of light demise is more, he was bad at defense because he didn't want to or is it or does he have legitimate lapses on that end to where he can't? Definitely can and has all of the. Tools to be a good defender physically. I worry about like his basketball IQ. In general like his shot selection is horrible, he doesn't seem to make the right off ball reads defensively all the time so. I don't think that's for me personally. Yeah. I. Don't I don't I. Don't love that like with Benson's Ben Simmons is like a genuine basketball genius right and you could see the flashes even though he didn't give a shit with Anthony Edwards, you could see the flashes on the ball whenever it was like a tight game. Late, he would like sit down and make life miserable for. Teams like if you go back and watch the like maybe last two minutes of regulation and overtime against smu. Like. Holy Shit you'd be like Oh my God anthony going to be like an NBA defender on the ball but I. Yeah that doesn't happen enough for me and he's bad enough to where I'd be worried about it. Okay that's fair. Also. Killing Hayes is like another name for them to. More of a second secondary playmaker, I worry about the jump shot with Killian Hayes but another name in the vein of Tires Halliburton. I think makes sense I wouldn't want to give up an additional asset to take Anthony Edwards at number. Two. Plus something else. That I. I like is for them as well by the way like if I was. Them. Go. Halliburton a Coro-. aecom Woo. Maybe, like Denny and then Hayes. For me on their board I think a Coro- has some like. Real potential. Secondary playmaking ability plus being like a super high level team defender. He's just a guy that like helps you win basketball games the end of the day like that guy's such a high field guy. Really. Sneaky passer like. Great defender does everything you're looking for out of a role player to the point where like he could exceed the role player designation. How worried are you about the shot terrified? Absolutely. But The Sh the funny thing is he shoots better off the dribble than he does off the catch like he was not a disaster off the dribble shooter this year because he has like off the catchy as the super exaggerated ball dip and it takes them like all rhythm and he ends up like haunt you in his shoulders and fading away doing like a bunch of weird. Shit with his shot I don't think the shot is like dead on arrival, but it's GonNa take a long time. I'm genuinely pretty worried about the shot. Okay Gotcha. Okay. Let's is there anyone else that you want to bring up for Atlanta here I? Really like the idea like I'm glad that we had this conversation on the podcast for. The love of God, go try and steal him from San Antonio. He's so good but. For Atlanta. Not, anyone off the top of my head. Again like really anyone can defend would be huge for them. Actually here's here's one other. Question here. Would you rather signed? The Anthony Melton to a four year fifty, eight, million dollar deal, which is like a very clear overpay for him. Or would you rather? Move number six like four John Marion something else because I'd imagine you're not doing both you're doing one of those things. Wanted to. I think in that case, I think you take the GIONTA. Just because he's so much better than Milton now. and. He's also young enough to where he has more potential to grow and I'm interested to see him. To Light trae who would. Put Him in position to create easier shots for himself. Yeah. I think that would appeal to me more damned the Anthony. Milton. Depending on what the something else is I would agree with you I. Think I think John is a better fit Cindy Anthony Mountain. He's just bigger. He's longer better rebounder just Kinda does everything you're looking for from that secondary playmaker role. Let's not go ahead. Just going to say, no, I don't think there's anyone in the draft that can really check all those boxes the way. John Again Yeah. Like even tires Halliburton who love their he's just nowhere near the on ball defender that John Murray is, and that's like one thing I'd be looking for I. Do want a really high level on ball defender next to trae young. Where do you WANNA go Orlando Charlotte or Washington next I'll give you the choice. ooh. Man, let's go with. Let's go Charlotte's okay. Number three overall pick in the draft. Yesterday? Rick. Grenell over at the Charlotte Observer who's probably the most plugged in. Hornets reporter. Reported that they are zeroed in on James Wiseman in this upcoming NBA draft that tracks with what I've reported throughout the draft process. You know as I tweeted yesterday like I wrote in their mock draft in the mock draft I think that if James Wiseman is on the board, I think he's definitely the pick for them Do you like that at the end of the day let let's start there. Do you like the idea of them prioritizing James Wiseman. I actually do like James for him As. Much as I feel like Cody Zeller has been underrated over the last two or three years like they do need. Rate, at that spot. I think definitely fits their just giving them someone that can get I think he helps the Hornets guards downhill, which I think is a huge concern for them. As good as devante Graham was as a pull up shooter, he didn't get to the rim much and didn't look particularly comfortable when he did get there. I think having a guy like, James Wiseman screened form enroll forum can kind of create better looks for Devante Graham maybe create some more favorable three point shots others if they go downhill Again Wiseman is fantastic threat defensive potential is there and you're going to need someone to lockdown to paint if the Monte Graham's going to be a starting point guard that they already made tardy for opposing offenses to attack. I think it's a pretty strong fit? Honestly make sense. So I agree with you, I would have James Wiseman as a priority guy for them I really quite like. What he brings to the table as a potential option for them in the front court I think it just makes. All the sense in the world actually. For them to be looking at Wiseman I've wise minute number two board They have a real need at center they could use a real impact. Defensive Center is you said. Every everything about this makes sense and to be honest I would much rather utilize this asset on James Wiseman. In then try to you know do something else in free agency then us like real free agency money on a center because I would imagine that if they don't take wise men, that is what is coming. Right I mean, there's a decent pool of free agent center is out there. But I think if you can lock in a Guy James Wiseman, who already gives you, he's GonNa hit the and then there are enough bossio flashes enough shooting flashes there to where he can scale upwards moving forward like I think you make that bid now Yeah. I actually wrote the in my. Team specific big boards for Charlotte that I would take. That I would rather trade down than take James. Wiseman. I don't I would not do that. Now the more I think about it, the more I would not do that I think this is an outdated thought process for me from you know a month and a half ago If I was them I would probably take James Wiser and part of is because like I've really gone back and watched a lot of James Men like a you high school went back and watched McDonalds events and stuff like that like. He is going to be an elite level defender like I. I'm not real worried about that and I think he's GonNa be a great rim runner I if I was. I have him at number TWOS, oppose number four on my board, which is where I had him whatever I wrote this previously. He's to me one of the safest players in the draft I feel very confident. He's going to be a high level player. He is just a super high level character kit as well. N- I'm buying everything the James Wiseman selling right now as a as a draft prospect. Like just enjoy just reading a bunch of different people that fit like the Stockholm James Watson has gone up quite a bit over the last month and a half you attribute that to people got going back to the film like you have or just talking to more people or what do you think it is I think it's the. How much how much trouble do I want to get myself in? I think that people in the public sphere. went to are. In the direction of not wanting any big men period. And then thusly had James Wiseman just way too low like I've never had wiseman lower than four on my board So. Moving up to number two is not a big jump. There were people that had him at like eight to eleven and it's just like. You've clearly not watched enough of him. You clearly have not done the background on him. To where you can have that. Like. I. I get it from the perspective of. I don't want to take centers in the NBA draft because I don't want me personally I think it's much more valuable to take wings. It's been proven time and again taking wings taking guards. These are the players tough to find on the free agency market. These are the guys that you should be taking in trying to draft guys who can actually create their own shot. But That doesn't really exist in the strath will I think? You gotta you gotTa take their and to me it's Wiseman. Guy I'd be Goma. Definitely make sense like a Wiseman PJ Washington Front court I feel is going to be or would be very fun for like a decade. A Pj Washington got enough credit the year that he had in general he was just fantastic. Flashed, a lot of different things was better defensively than I thought he was going to be coming out. And the shots there there isn't much the he can't do pretty excited to watch him moving forward. Yeah I P J at Number Forty two on my rookie scale rankings that was probably. Seven or eight spots. Hello I would say. Maybe. Maybe. Five to seven spots to low something like that. He should have been higher where. I went back and watched him both. Before I did the projects I was like, yeah. He's probably like a borderline guy that's on here. He went from that to Otit no, he definitely needs to be on. And? Head of miles bridges on here because he's just better than miles now Yeah it's tricky. It's very. Very, tricky to see where he goes because. So much of it relies upon the three point shot and look got hurt midway through the year but I thirty two games he shot forty two percent from three in his final twenty-six he shot thirty three percent so like right. Is he a forty percent three point shooter? Is he somewhere in the middle of those two numbers like is he a baller? Knocking down forty two from three healthy like. If he's anything resembling what we saw in that first half of the season basically. He's GonNa be a very, very, very high level starting for. In this NBA for a long time because he does everything that you're looking for. Right What what what else do we see here for Charlotte because? A really interesting core in a lot of ways with devante Graham metairie rose ear. Of really interesting You Know Front court as well with miles bridges and PJ Washington they do need a centre long long-term. They still have the Malik Monk Experiment. If they want to continue going down that road Maliki, showed some flashes. The season at times is he is. Prone to do just to continue showing flashes consistency. I think they should just be looking for as much talent is they can get, and that's like an easy thing to say. But if I was them, I'd be particularly looking on the wing as much as I could be looking to at athleticism and defensive prowess on the wing and go from there. That's actually what I was GONNA. Say I think they really need wings as you mentioned interesting guards they have interesting front court pieces, I've kind of. I don't WanNa say sour, that's too strong a word. But like mouths, bridges just hasn't become a guy that I thought he was going to become. and. That's a bit frustrating but they definitely need some wing help like it is looking at for agents. there. Aren't any really young guys that intrigued me there at like Jerry Jones Jimmy would obviously he's not a long term solution there at all. I think he's going to be better on threes and fours to be honest not like. A true wing. Right. Right So just any kind of defensive wing honestly like I wonder what they're. GonNa do it Wayne Bacon like I feel like he definitely flashed things. I think by some wings see if they can throw some money at a at a justin. Holiday. Just, to have some just have someone that knows what they're doing three spot. Here. I'll give you. I'll give you one. Should they try to throw money? Should they try to acquire Gordon Hayward? They tried to do a previously He's the reason that F-. Utah had to match an offer sheet for him shorter than what they originally would have loved. I'm sure given the it gave them a year less of team control on Gordon Hayward. Right I kind of like the idea of them trying to chase a wing that can make some plays and being unselfish guy like hayward plus they have the cap space to eat that thirty million early on this year. Dad's interesting. I'm not sure if I like that for Charlotte because I think there are further away than. MJ would like to admit probably. And I think trading for Gordon Hayward especially if he's able to stay healthy. Like. Shirt put Charlotte in the thirty to thirty five wind range or whatever. I don't think that's I. Don't think they're ready to make that kind of playoff. Libya So I guess it just kind of boil down to how much they would have to give up the bring them in. Yeah like you could do something like. Man It's hard because. The way you'd almost have to do it is by moving the. Now like doing something like around like fourteen and number three or something like it's hard to maybe you could do like a future I for him. like a future I in miles bridges. For Gordon Hayward. and. Then he just comes into cap space like does that even work maybe it's just miles bridges. COMES INTO CAPS like I think they're gonNA get better offers the mouse bridges if they decide to move Gordon Hayward. And by the way like, is it a shoe in that Gordon Hayward? OPS. In. I would like to think so I don't see. I. Don't see what team extends him I. Don't see. I don't see him. Is he getting four, eighty, five or four ninety from someone at this point? Yeah. So like the number I think it would take is. Probably through re seventy five. Something like that like you'd probably have to make twenty, five, million a year. And then. Extended out for a couple of years to be willing to opt out if you were Charlotte and you didn't have to give up anything to do that would you do like four one hundred for Gordon Hayward? I just can't see Charlotte do our thing. They should do that. I'll take I'll put it like that. I can't I can definitely see a world in which they talk themselves into that. I would not do if I was Charlotte. I don't think Gordon Hayward moves the needle enough to give him that kind of commitment. Yeah. I think that actually like a thousand percent. reasonable. On their end, the problem is like, how do they go out and acquire guys like can they go out and acquire guys is like a big thing for them like they have to go out and get guys the draft. They finally have a high level draft pick if they end the summer having acquired. Gordon Hayward and James Wiseman potentially. that feels. Like a real influx of substantial talent. Plus they would still have Max cap space next summer. Even if they sign Gordon. Hayward to a pretty massive deal. there. Is just so clear going forward Got Think there finally off the contract now right and in Nicholas Hits Free Agency next year's and when he doesn't. Out which I don't see why he would do that at. All right. There's no. Way He ops out like I think that hayward probably ops then. But like if a team could get to like the hayward camp. Ahead of time and say look if you opt out, we'll give you four one hundred. I think you probably do opt out in that case in lock in that money. Don't you? Yeah for Hey, what you? I guess I'm just more sceptical debt for one hundred is out there for at this point. A. Disconnect is I am to honestly I. AM skeptical of it but. I don't hate that move if I'm Charlotte I guess is what I would say if Charlotte has enough flexibility long-term to where. You can go out and get a past all star. Weren't. Hayward who. was really good this year when he was on the court like. People remember like the playoffs because he was coming back from that injury. But when Hayward was out there for Boston, he was awesome I thought and he's kind of a perfect fit for guys like Devante, Graham and Terry Rozier in the backward because he played such an unselfish game also being able to like create his own shot. I don't know I actually really really like that fit for Charlotte weird like they're going to spend their money somehow the summer. It's probably not going to be in a way that we like. That, we look at as being a positive value contract. So I'm trying to think of how can they spend their money in a way that? It least gets them talent. and. That's not a deal that I hate even though probably is overpaying Gordon Hayward. That's deal I hate I guess. I guess if they're going to go that route. Why Gordon Hayward over big to older depot? Is My thing because you'd have to give up assets to get all the depot because he's locked in for next year like I'm saying if you could get. Hayward and say look opt out. Money. Well. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. GonNa. Talk Me. Hayward to Charlotte. I just I don't know I feel like Charlotte has to build towards something. Haywood really. I don't know if he moves the needle. That's kind of where I'm stuck he would definitely help. Like. Would you rather pay Bugden Bogdanovich or hayward? I would probably say bog then because it would cost a little bit less church. And like I don't think the talent gap there is massive enough to where you really feel it especially, where Charlotte is in there rebuild right now. I think the talent gap's pretty big between those sue but I understand what you're saying. A case for paying fourteen million a year for Bob Dunne, over twenty five for Gordon Hayward. That's that's just. Out Loud, me could very much. We occupier will be all but I I don't feel like. Even though Hayward looked better last year I don't know if he's been meal per year. Than Bob and at this point I, think that that's that's very reasonable to me to be honest. Like. I mean the thing that they should do they should try and Max Brandon. Ingram. Did with Hayward time. Yeah. Of North Carolina like. Possible guy that they can try and sway I think that new. Orleans. One hundred percent matches but you can do the thing that you did last time and maybe get him to free agency sooner that could pay dividends down the road. I would pretty strongly consider that. Let me unlike running through free agency list. I mean like Joe Harris. I'd rather have hayward because I'd rather have the playmaking. Kentavious, Pope like I'd rather have playmaking. It's hard to find. It's really hard to find wings on the free agency market is what I keep coming back to in if I was Charlotte I would. Really strongly consider like, would you rather have hayward or Danilo Gallinari? I would rather have Gallo. Which? I'm not sure how much of behind take that is, but I would probably rather have. Gallo. Think. He's a little bit better getting downhill against the free throw line today where it isn't as they age and Charlotte. Charlotte. Desperately need someone to to get some pressure which is what? I think would be such a great fit just having that vertical gravity there. I would rather have Gallo and again I don't think Gal is GonNa Command like a four year deal now or money. I would probably go that route in a vacuum. I agree with you that it's like a conversation like I think that they're. Pretty close in like it's very reasonable to make a case that Gallon Ari is better. But. For Charlotte particularly, where I think Hayward can actually play some wing in play is like a secondary ball handler and not overlap with PJ Washington's development. I would probably rather have hayward. That's fair because I do think gallows. Almost strictly afford to stage. See how. Does. That make sense sense. So I don't know man. I it's such a weird spot they are and part of it is because of how tough it is to. Talent they're like I don't think they should be turning like. Gordon Hayward is willing to come there I'm just like, yes let's do it. I wouldn't. Maybe that turns into another Nikolaos contract that you hope that we get out of this pandemic. down. The road for years. One hundred million for Gordon Hayward. Doesn't look like a disaster deal and maybe even do like on a descending level to where it's like. He Gets Twenty, seven, twenty, two, win last year. Of the deal. That makes it a little bit better. I don't know. I'm weirdly selling myself on Charlotte trying to. Tamper with Gordon Hayward to try and get him to, Charlotte basically. Again. Yeah let's let's do a man. Is there any what we've spent a lot of time on Hayward. They have enough. Flexibility to where they can do that salary. Wise. This year is there anyone else that really stands out to you as someone that they should chase? Partly. Because I'm low Ontario Rozier in general. I feel like Charlotte is a sneaky Fred Vanfleet spot. Wouldn't hate it. But budded and that like the Ingram offer sheet would be interesting I. Don't think that materializes New Orleans will probably match their. Other than that just going for cheaper two year. Deals with. Decent three. Andy. Wings again I. Feel like the holiday. We kinda helped him. They're Kinda, keep the. Keep their sheet a little bit cleaner. And I. Think he feels a role that they don't have anyone to roster took feel right now and get a little good van in the room I think makes sense for them. I think holidays, GonNa, make sense for too many contenders. This year like I just like the right price range right player type. Good defensively. Good. Shooter Kinda does everything. In the same vein of talking about with Gordon Hayward, is there any world where you try to do the same thing with the Marta? Rosa, and try to get him to opt out to sign him to a longer deal. ooh Man. No. I feel Kinda single I don't think the rose in. The Rosen probably moves the needle a little bit more than Hayward, but still not enough I think Rosen's differently a good enough creator to raise their floor. But. I'm still just kind of the mindset just in a vacuum. What are you building towards? I'm not sure the Marta rose and get you to where you really want to be. kind of wild like I would have thought that Dhamar is like. It almost feels like Dhamar is three years older than Gordon Hayward, but they're like within the same year basically. Of, age like. Tomorrow was born August. Eighty nine. Gordon Hayward was born March nineteen ninety. They are close in Democracy and yogurt and Hayward, right? Yeah and hayward average seventeen and a half seven rebounds and four assists this year and I think he plays a more of a complementary game. To where I think I would rather have hayward. Let's talk. Let's. Let's go to tears. Let's go to seth part now tears here. Let's. Let's see where he has to Rosen Versus Hayward See derosa in. He has four a he probably has hayward four as well. So there are the same tier. So we're. Seth part now infallible on the tears were in very good shape your. Job Those. Yeah, he did. Really I talked to seth last episode South Really did a great job on those. Taking the pistol a little bit here to go full Ustralian but. Really, Seth is just the best thing I love the project that he did Yeah I think that's the. That's what I do low-cost Fliers for Charlotte like you don't try to overpay continues call Pope if you'RE CHARLOTTE I don't think It's fair. You don't try and overpay like wing like wing role players yet. I think you try and get guys that can be like difference makers as creators. Complimentary creators, and then go from there and see if you can get the wings later next summer if you take a leap this year. That's. Let's. Move to Washington. I think. Let's go. Number nine overall pick this year. It seems like they're not going to trade Bradley beal I think that they want to see Bradley beal looks like with John Wall. This coming year which I think. Look not the route that I would go personally, but I understand why they want to do it. Where do you fall on? The wizards this summer because I would imagine that it's going to be quite a quiet insofar as. Try to resign office BERTONE's. Keep Bradley Beal See what John Wall looks like next year and then maybe make your move at the deadline if this roster fails. That's I think that's definitely going to be the pathway like you bring up a ton. So I think they need a backup center pretty badly actually like Thomas Bryant quite a bit. They just need. They need a boost in protection just in general. I think adding backup big bring him back. BERTONE's seen what John Wall looks like. just gotTa bring it full circle earlier conversation if we're going back to philly wooden. Decides the Split Up Embiid and Simmons if. They choose to keep embiid. Doesn't a Simmons Bill Swap seem pretty interesting from that perspective. Yes. Period. Yeah. No I think that they won't be better than Simmons and bill deal and. A beal embiid core is very Intriguing to me. Yeah I don't mind that at all. I mean. I mind it because I don't think I would do it like I don't think I would trade Ben Simmons for Bradley Beal. But. I guess the way to put it is it's a rally. Than what I would do but. I've heard worse, ideas. You get a lot the invincible like even if you're riding got arrested the wall contract, that's a natural pick and roll partner their. Bill gives them the shot creation that philly desperately needs. Feel, like it's a pretty natural fit if they want to go that route anyway I do agree with you like I don't think they're going to be any major moves on what from Washington again, just bring back. At some depth because they needed. A lot of the deputy do have our young pieces that are still learning NBA basketball. Again like Thomas Brian is still trying to get there defensively. Troy Brown Jones GonNa step into more minutes next year. Really, is better than I thought he would be. Guy I was not rui guy I was just kind of out on the. Out on the defense and I didn't really I don't want to say I don't trust the three point shot I. Just didn't know if it will be there period. Just, seems like a mid post create a really good athlete but the feel. Kind of happy hour on him on both ends. But he looks like he's going to be a player. Yeah they're having like crazy intersection of like power and speed really just end like frame. Obviously, it's six foot eight with the seven wingspan like. In general that stuff just tends to stick now, will it stick at a high level? Maybe not. Like, he might be a guy. Right. But Mostly now, maybe it does thick at a higher level than what we're anticipating with Rui because I think there's a reasonable chance he'll be starting four man, but it's going to require him knocking down shots from distance and. We'll see we'll see whether or not that comes along. I'm glad that you brought Thomas Brian I think that they need a starting center and then picking US Bryant in twenty to twenty five minutes a night I do like Thomas Bryant but. I they could use another guy there like is another option and I don't think Wagner is the solution. Shit. So the guy that I'd be targeting if I was them Yucca, Woo like no question. There's a non zero chance that I think they look at someone even like a precious Ottawa. Six, nine, hundred, seventy wingspan who would actually be like a good complement to Thomas Bryant its high for me like I I don't think I could take precious at number nine but. It's not. Unintelligent or like understandable I guess is the way that I would put it. That would make them, i. mean if they were to target like precious as like second or third on their board or whatever. That would make them prime trait back. Partners then. Yeah you think so. It's hard to say like precious is range from what I've been told is something like ten to twenty somewhere in that range. So if they really want him like they would be taking a risk by pushing back like you probably couldn't push back farther than fourteen and feel like really good about getting him. In mid maybe there's something there like maybe Boston would rather have number ten because they want to confirm that they get their guy or number nine I'm sorry because they want to try and get their guy like, I, think that. If. They really liked precious like there's a way to move back and get him, but it probably can't be that far together. Is there. I mean like, what do we think the office BERTONE's contract looks like that's another actually interesting question because. If I was Phoenix and Fred Van, Vliet does not sign their. BERTENS's is the guy that I would probably look at pretty heavily. Good look stuffing. Devon, Booker Deva's burt todd's and the the Andrea eight and good. Lord. As, far as the contract is he Like. Four sixty, four seventy somewhere in that range. That's so much money for Davis BERTONE's. Is. Yes probably. That's my like the free agency classes just kind of Amiss. That's for starters but also like for him to essentially be like a one skill guy but for him to be. What six ten toss again to Kinda shots that he tosses. They'd like he just bins the core in a way that how many front court players do now it's Like it's and. Birds is like it's that it. BERTONE's. Is. Up, there. For guys that are that tall that can shoot like Markkanen maybe as a chance one day but he's nowhere near there yet and I'm like Bertone's is a better shooter than Porzingas like. By far. Just the way that he stretches the floor like the the thing with Burton's stretches the floor out to like. Twenty eight feet is opposed. So, late like you look at the threes that he takes above the break. Their ridiculous like he's basically solely taking like twenty seven threes like if you look at his shot chart. There is a space of like two feet where he's behind the. Above the brake line where he doesn't. Take threes like right at the line ever. And then even those they aren't even spot up attempts these he's like coming off of. Like the early transition handoff type deals. He's twisted his body just kind of choke them up like he is just a ridiculous shooter. Yeah. I would assume that they're gonNA spend a crazy amount of money to keep him like, yeah. Four, sixty, between four, sixteen, four, seventy. If he ended up there wouldn't totally stunned me Probably more than I'd feel comfortable with but. Then, again, they signed on j possession nick like with whom Burton shares in agent. Nick is nowhere near an NBA player so I would imagine. There's a very strong working relationship there between agency and play yeah. Yeah and I think that also serves as a bit of John Wall assurance if the burst isn't quite there having to pick and pop partner Light Burton's definitely, we'll take the pressure off. HAVE THEM GET DOWN? Get. Thomas Bright to like if they can basically play five out with those guys like. It's really really GONNA help John. Wall. Is He returns so yeah I think that they're going to resign BERTANS I. THINK THEY'RE GONNA keep Bradley beal. I really don't even want to speculate on Bradley Beal Trades. Because I don't know that it's worth. It at the moment. He's signed for two more years and then has a player option thirty, seven, million on top of it in twenty, twenty, two, twenty, three so. Yeah, I think that the first time we've really start to see. Significant Bradley beal trade discussions is maybe at the deadline if this team starts out pretty poorly Make Sense. All right the last team here the Orlando Magic. Who is In a weird spot. Because of the Jonathan Isaac Injury. and. I'm not entirely sure what they should do. I really am not sure what the Orlando Magic. Should try to do this summer. They are. Potentially, a team that has some cap space, not a ton of cap space, but they could have some if Novon -fornia leaves or ops out of that money. I guess that's like the first question. Do we think of on foreign ops out of seventeen million? Like I only feel like he's fit somewhere like Detroit. Detroit. Use Them Charlotte probably use them. So it wouldn't surprise me he opts out. In goes and tries to secure a law onto bag. Seventeenth Kinda bar where he can opt out out feel bad about it. Yeah. I think that. There's pretty good chance he probably does. Landau like I would consider resigning him. But if he opts out, it would be at a lower number over longer term. If he opts out and. Gets. Four years because he's still only twenty seven, almost twenty eight. If he opts out and gets four years. Fifty, five million and locks himself into that money even though it's what like fourteen million dollars a year that's still probably a win for him to win that money. I think that makes sense for him. If he if he had a player option, I mean obviously like a Hayward playoff, she's not going anywhere. But if it was twenty twenty, one cannon that depot range like I think he obscene but seventeen I think he can get something like four, fifty, five, four, sixty somewhere in that range. Would you rather have four at four fifty? Let's say four sixty if you're charlotte probably have to pay a premium to get him away from contending teams. Or Hayward four, one hundred. I would. I think I would go hayward still I think that. Think. Yeah, I think he's just a pre- pretty considerably all around better player than Yvonne -fornia. Everything else but scoring, and even that this year he was probably a slightly more efficient score. Then Hayward was other than four was given the role that they both had. Let's. Talk about the Orlando. Magic though? If your Orlando in your in this very strange spot where your cap she is. kind of locked in like even. Going forward, potentially depending on what you decide to do with Markelle Foltz and Depending on what you side do Jonathan Isaac like they can kinda clear space next year but it's GonNa be tight. Rosser. They, but it's hard like this. Frustrates me immensely. This roster hasn't made sense. Like four years feels like. Like just a collection of. Just, a collection of power forwards. It feels like it's like the Knicks if they were kinda competent. They is is just a weird thing that they've done with. valujet fried you have Isaac Upfront you have Aaron Gordon. Upfront and like none of them really complement each other they're all. Good. So it Kinda works and helps them float around the end of the Eastern playoff. But they need some sense of direction I think. Marco forces edition there has been a nice store for him, but he still doesn't really solve their issues. Like they're still eddie shooting deficit. and. It's pretty stark even with food suiting more threes now. Even with four gay and terrence. Ross being there. Like. Their diets or at least hand, we're also like his diet is basically contested threes still. So the fact that he makes as many as he does incredible, but like they just don't have. They don't have enough space to make the front court work in the front. Court doesn't have enough. Stuff, they don't have enough skill but light there's no. Real. game-breaker there that opens up things for others they're missing someone to really carry a load. Like in an ideal world, I would like for them to clear the decks a bit give Jonathan, Isaac, the ball, just little stretch himself. Like, I don't think he's going to be honest at all but I think doing what Milwaukee into early stages. Giving him the ball destroying him, stretch the limits of his game and seeing what he can do as a creator because he has had some solid flashes over the last year and a half before getting hurt side would. Just kinda see what you have. Is it because I think he's their best shot at have like a real blue chip prospect and you kind of build it around him see what he can do. Yeah I agree he is this team's. Elite. Prospect I really like Aaron Gordon as a player. I. Think this might be the time to cash in on Aaron Gordon. Wouldn't to years thirty, four, million dollars left on that deal. That's a good deal for Aaron Gordon for teams to go out and try and acquire. But now with the Jonathan Isaac Injury with him likely missing next season. Almost kind of neat, Aaron Gordon if you want to keep your spot in the playoffs. What is the direction of this team? Do they want to try and win a title or are they comfortable just making the playoffs every year because? As, currently constituted. CanNot. Come close to even getting top four seed in the eastern conference I don't think. It's it's been time for them to kind of reset. I. Think. Honestly. This probably be the time to do it with Isaac being out. and. Correct me if I'm wrong is at twenty twenty, two likely to be decayed Cunningham Dra. Twenty, twenty, one. Twenty twenty one yes. Yeah. Cade Cunningham we'll be in the two thousand twenty one draft next year's draft is exceedingly strong. If I was I mean look like I'd be in this whole fucking thing down. But It's. It's hard to because like I really respect what Steve Clifford and this coaching staff have wrought out of this roster. That is kind of. His not done a great job of Utilizing its assets in my opinion like they've done a good job of like did a good job. They hit on Jonathan Isaac they on using that first round pick sort of. CELTS. I think Erin Gordon's like pretty good player if you look at the guys that went behind him. It's not like they like missed on that pick. The problem is just like. Actual. You can't have all these guys together and then they take to Mojo Kiki last year. which was in my opinion, not only an overdraft guy. That was injured that they were over drafting and a guy that was injured that they were over drafting already has overlapped with. A number of players that are already on their roster like Nikitin, Alexander Walker would have made more sense. They would have taken Tiger Rome I. would've liked more. Like Chuo Kiki's fine like I, don't mean to write off Oh Kiki's career but to not take a guy like Kevin Porter. Over to Mojo, Kiki is just crazy to me the again like this comes from someone who thinks like to Mulcahy's probably going to be fine as a rotational role player. They've constructed their roster to defend good playoff teams instead of becoming one. Is kind of what it looks like. Interesting. They just don't have the offense of. To go anywhere series. Stuck in now like they're pinning their hopes to Marquel Foltz and I like Marquel I think like you said like it's a great story that Marquel Foltz is. A, pretty good NBA player now like he averaged twelve points and five assist game but. Until he shoots it, he still a very limited problem player for them. Right. You can't have Markelle Fultz be your lead option unless he shoot again then maybe the shooting comes back at some point. In. If it does Holy Shit Markelle Fultz is probably going to be pretty good because. The finishing is already translating. The passing is already translating given. The fact that nobody pays him any respect beyond the three point line and like magic fans will point to the fact that full to showed some mid range ability over the course. Of this year with Orlando and it's He's not doing enough volume to where it means anything like he's taking. Fewer than one and a half shots between sixteen and. Twenty. Three feet and making them at a forty five percent clip like that's not enough to. Really make a dent he tore. Like two shots a game from ten to sixteen feet and made them at thirty eight percent that's just not good enough in that range so. Does a great job finishing at the Rim and he is a good defender because he's been on on that end by Clifford and. He's super creative and still find a way to get penetration despite the fact that nobody pays any respect to his jump shot but. Until that shot comes, it's hard for me to really. Really think it's GonNa work in a substantial way that like is a difference making guard in the NBA lane. Like, he needs that jumper to kind of boost his own value, and then he is surrounded by talent that doesn't really maximize either. So it's honestly I mean it's a Tad with the him that he's been as effective as he has been in Orlando considering. We should three best shooters, attachments, Ross -fornia in Nicholas rich a there's only so much you can do in like even with all of those concerns that outlined with him if I was running Orlando I would move pitch move. Gordon. Frankly probably move I. Don't know what you get for mobile but I might try to just end that tenure. Maybe let him maybe that would be what I'd do. This year might try and see if there's anything there with him after I moved rich. But I'd be moving. Be. Moving Gordon I'd be. Letting Yvonne -fornia. Walk in all likelihood as opposed to signing him to four year deal that's long-term and I'd just be hitting the reset button and seeing what happened Markelle Foltz. Seeing what I have in. Jonathan Isaac long-term. And then going from there. I think this is the reset. Again is it basically gives you a get out of jail free card like cell phone, those vets pro for decay drafts even get in there because he's going to be absurd he's already absurd. The crazy thing is like I've I've heard from Oklahoma state already and they're just like Oh yeah. You know like how cade like the question is whether or not he can shoot he can shoot. Good look. Yeah. It's like, what are what are we doing here if Cunningham can shoot? Yeah I'm with you like it'd be trying to go all out for that draft because it's not just cade Cunningham in that draft like they're six or seven guys that I think would be in the mix for the number one overall pick this year in that draft. If I was Orlando I'd be hitting the reset button I would keep foltz. The. Other big thing here now is like. Jonathan Isaac is not GonNa play on this fourth year of this contract. If you're going to extend them, you might as well extend him this summer. because. Why? Not? I guess that could make the case that they have cap space that they could potentially use next summer. So why not it's like? I guess, maybe that is the case. Maybe you have the CAP space to us, next summer. So why not just wait and use it next summer It's not like he's going to get hurt again all likelihood. So Right now. Right. 'cause I'm not sure. Does he get maxed? We're not video right now. So you can't see my hands, but my hands are just like shrugged like shoulder shrug. Ricky Bobby in that interview or it's like I don't know what to do with my hands. I don't know. He gets one hundred is he's getting four years one, hundred, million I would think. Whether or not he gets like four years one, hundred, twenty, five, million. I don't know the you'll get one hundred outside. Like got obviously have to see how he recovers but like he is a game breaking defender. And he has enough on ball flashes to raise your eyebrows is just what counter roster's going to be surrounding Kim Renton and just those questions that's. Kind of into mind if I'm Orlando late, let's lock him in now. Rod. I don't know. That's that's just a fascinating. Deal to watch over the next couple of years. Yeah I'm. Not Real sure What to do with Isaac that yeah, I mean, what do we think Orlando will actually do we we've said what we would do. It involves blowing this thing up I don't think they will do that. So what do we think they will actually do. A Probably, try to upgrade. They're going to have to get some shooters in there at some point. Like. I'm not sure what Joe Hairs mark is going to be. Like targeting someone like him would be interesting. They have enough interesting pieces. Maybe they go. Would it make sense for them to go to sign and trade route and see if they get fred bamboo in I? Mean there's a bit him and falls I feel like. Yeah. I would like that I, mean like. What does Toronto take their because I don't love the. Com Gordon especially when one of their goals is keep cap space for potential Janas move next. Summer. I'm not doing Vuckovich for. Vanfleet. I'm not facilitating that. They're not moving Isaac for Van Bleed? Right. I probably wouldn't WANNA. Do Marquel Foltz. Adult. I'm not signing and trading for von -fornia. Don't really. Fit. But I like the I like where you're thinking like if I was them, I would definitely be thinking of like. Worlds in which that could happen. You know what I mean. So I think upgrading just shooting in general rating the point guard spot DJ Augustine is fine but also he can't be your bisque late game creator Yep that's just a tough spot to be in like. Like, Jordan, Clarkson probably helps them. Inches. That's that they really need to blow to staying up. This is not this isn't great. We probably haven't talked enough about like what a potential Aaron. Gordon move looks like because I do think that that is. something. That could. Happen like an airing trade I think is like a potential real outcome the summer. What do you like? What do you get back for Aaron Gordon? Two years thirty four and a half million. Like I would imagine if you're Orlando, you're going to be looking for a guard of some sort. The one I've seen thrown out for like months now, just swing into deal for Spencer Dinwiddie. I feel like something like that makes sense for them. Again I mean. We both read only to blow it up but if they are serious about making a playoff push like they have enough big contracts to throw their hat in the Chris Paul Ring. Or going smaller going for like Mike Conley someone he ops in like I wouldn't want them to do that. But. If they're going to be a perennial playoff team then. They have the horses to make something like that work around Gordon. Is. there. Of in trying to think like, is there a world where they could do like Aaron Gordon and fifteen to move up to number two? And then likes to go to state. Yeah, and Golden. State like does a step up deal to get Jane Johnson in to. That trade exception. Because you can just do James Johnson for. Gordon Aaron, Gordon? And then do the pigs on. That makes sense. If you're Orlando you're getting to who you looking at, they're like Lamelo, you take either Lamelo or Anthony Edwards whichever one false. I can see that. Does. A little bit. Golden State that. I think that Kinda pants on how they feel about wiseman. If you just read the leaks that come out of Golden State they apparently love like twelve people side. A really know. If they if they really are high on Wiseman in promptly I. But if they're fine with anyone else. Then, I think that deal appeals to them. Yeah, it depends like is there a world where? They like don't love anyone in the Strath, but they like everyone in this draft. And they want to try to acquire like a guy that can help them now and then also move down to stay in the draft at like fifteen. Let's like non. Non Impossible outcome to me. There was a report that they like Sadique Bay Bay has a pretty reasonable chance to be there fifteen. Wouldn't like totally stunned me of Devon vessel is on the Board Fifteen I wouldn't. I have cell at ten on my board. So like look I'm not saying that he should be there but it wouldn't totally me if he was there. Or if you really like Denver Seller City, they like you could move up from fifteen to ten. Like. Semi easily, I would think like you could give up future value somehow to do that Yeah I I think that that's an interesting. Avenue for both sides if Golden State does not think there's like one standout prospect The problem is the Golden State also has like a number of other options like Aaron Gordon at their disposal. Do. We think that Aaron Gordon is the best option for golden state in that. Case. Realistically I would probably say so. Like. I've seen so much about packaging, Andrew wiggins and and getting like legitimate all-star star and I just don't see that happening at all. I think. Aaron. Gordon is like a tier below all star. So I think that puts them in race to do it, and again, if they don't love anyone in this class I think you can definitely make the case that trading for ready make, era Gordon who has already proven to be good and has done. So in a setting that hasn't maximize skillset. That putting him in Golden State would still finish clay. Would optimize them in a way that we haven't seen, and there will be more value from Gordon dare than. With you're getting that number two. Yeah I think so too. I actually do think that. Aaron Gordon has a lot of untapped potential that. I would personally be willing to take a risk on especially putting him next to a guy like good draymond green. Now, like look, you would have some concerns shooting there but I, I like that move like if I was. Orlando like there's no way that you're. Doing better than that for Aaron Gordon frankly might have to give up a little bit more to do that than. Aaron Gordon. But Like this Brooklyn, like you mentioned Brooklyn Brooklyn Spencer Dinwiddie like makes real sense I think. There's a very distinct difference between Spencer dinwiddie in the number two overall pick, and that's what we're talking about here. So. The problem is with this I don't have a gauge on what Aaron Gordon's value is because he's been. In a sub optimal position to get the most out of him throughout the course of his career. Right, like he's been miscast. In, terms of arrest around him but also he has this thing about him to where he thinks he's a better shot creator than what he really is in that kind of muddies the waters too. They. Definitely you want put space around him and you also want to make him more of a play finisher. Thought I think. It makes a lot since a lot of form playing in Brooklyn to where there's a clear hierarchy with Katie and Korea that would be good for them as well. Yeah I agree. I think those are the two spots that I would love to see him, and by the way we talked about Miami earlier. I know he has two years left on the deal but I think that Aaron Gordon you know. What is it sixteen million or whatever next year? That's an eminently movable contract into space for someone if Miami decided, hey, we want to take a shot on Aaron Gordon We have salary we think that if we have Max cap space next year, we can move that deal pretty easily intimating that just has cap space. That's plagued. Those are the kind of moves that people don't really truly think about But like move Aaron Gordon into that Miami Roster like that's an interesting move to me. I didn't even consider that would be fun. A lot of fun. Jesus Christ. Near and Gordon in front court. They do they have the salaries to make it work? Right? So you could do. Could you do? Kelly Olympic Kendrick Nunn. And Twenty for Aaron Gordon something else. Like. That's probably it and I feel like that's an easy. Yes for Miami. That's enough. ORLANDO. Killing gives them that can shoot I mean you're not. GonNa go package around Kelly Olympic sound super appealing will the pack built around Kendrick? Non In the twenty. Yeah. Yeah. Those are the two acids you're getting like. It would be that you're hoping that Kendrick non is like a real potential starting point guard which. I'm personally lower on I mean, I don't how you feel about that. Like he obviously hasn't. Coming back from Kobe like he's not as bad as he was into bubble. there are some real questions about his defense. just the passing ability in general makes nothing but basic reads and that's only if his top reactions which are all to shoot the ball or kind of blocked up. Pulo potential air like he's a pretty decent pull up shooter sneaking solid finisher at the rim. So you can talk yourself into it and I mean the Miami did have a good starting lineup all year long with him at point. So I mean it would. What would you think of Kendrick Nunn in Markelle Fultz together that actually kind works for me a little bit. Yet at makes sense like. Marco. Foltz. Has the linked to take on those tougher defensive assignments He definitely gets downhill better to nine does. None obviously better shooter. I can see the on court fit there. I actually Kinda in on this I'm I'm intrigued now. That's the deal that I had not thought about previously is Miami being expert Gordon. Would definitely raise the I. Mean I'm just thinking of. End of game lineups. Trying to score with. Jimmy Butler. Bam Out of Baion Aaron Gordon on the court at the same time switching everything that is that is terrifying. Yeah. That is actually like just an awesome defensive lineup that. And especially within like Miami's structure and culture like then you put like Jae crowder out there you sign him to like a balloon deal. THAT'S NOT A. That's not fun for opposing. Andrea, would all out there if you want like you just have literally everyone be six, six, six, ten, and hyper athletic. Good luck with it. Man Nikai tell the people where they can find your work tell the people what's going on in your life. You can find me on twitter at in the NBA K.. NBA. All. My work is now at Basketball News Dot Com I am currently in the midst of doing free agency previews. I have done to heat the Lakers the Celtics. The nuggets is kind of working in reverse order from the playoffs. So. 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CLAB 20: Predicting Hayward's decision and free agency preview with Jared Weiss

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CLAB 20: Predicting Hayward's decision and free agency preview with Jared Weiss

"The only Welcome inside the celtics lamp. Podcast and justin here. Kim to buy glass. You're try and sort through all the case around the celtics parks. What is going to happen. Gordon hayward was likely staying. Good boston's like we needs. Help them by the athletics. Jared waste question does hayward as agent to join us here. A yo. what's up. Pulse stress stress stress and injury. No streaky laurie. Now that's for sure it. This is the most fun day of the year. We're it's honestly it's like the entire day. Suspending relent will. You're just waiting for that ball to settle in somewhere in years past whether it's hayward durant we've had fourth of july's cut short hand-wringing over this stuff. It's nice that we just get to do it in a random league in november. I think it's perfect as twenty. Twenty fourth of july plan ruined anyway right. So it's only fitting thanksgiving. Yeah that's true. So what are what are we dealing with here. This situation like what is our overall cap situation going forward Obviously we are over the cap if he would stays we in a much better position if we do. But what are we looking at basically as as kind of a broader like cap space picture because i mean not just talent gordon hayward but if leaves we also lose any ability to do anything but must much of our ability to do things to just the team in the future so like. What are the concerns that were dealing with here. I mean yeah. That's that's the big thing as the celtics have been pretty good about. Whenever they lose player they managed to get somebody else in their stead sign and trade or they had cast mates availability ability or whenever it was the case each year. So yeah twenty actually start. I'm starting to think that it's the norm in the nba. Now that if you're losing a veteran player that you work at a sign and trade so that you can recoup something it's kind of like how in baseball and football the compensatory picture when you're being star free agent sleeves so maybe as kind of like figure it out that that's a that's a nice little way to try to make things work and obviously there's always somebody who can play ball because there's always titas doesn't have gaps face though wants to get their hands on somebody so the celtics i mean. I don't think there's it's not a. It's obviously not mutually solicit situations and manage whether they want to keep them versus try to recoup some acid value out of him before he's gone so it's all changes where they are. Obviously it gets to a point where he says. I'm going indiana. Make it happen at a certain point it. Actually it'd be better to just be like you know what gordon we don't have any offer for you. It's wow how lucky are you. You got to give you such a great deal. We're going to figure out a way to somehow get you there because like while. I don't think there's a player in the nba. That could be attained in the situation better for their ability to win the championship. Next season than gordon hayward gordon hayward is the absolute player that they want but it's not just next season the the nba is not stopped existing. After next year. And while i do think legitimately could win the championship next year and it is all about banner eighteen dollars stuff. I don't think trading him for miles. Turner compromises their ability to win next season. Bat significantly added dramatically increases their ability to have sustainable period of winning. So it's not a bad move if they're doing something along those lines you mentioned signing with indiana would require sign trade There are some teams out there. The knicks Possibly the hawks. I'm kind of having a hard time. Keeping track of them with everything else. That's going on but at least at last time i checked. They were able to sign him. Bentley are changing depending on their future. And then there's also the possibility of him resigning What is what do you think G might be looking for if he does. Come back what. Do you think boston might be willing to pay like the most realistically you know. That's that that second question is the hardest question. Because i mean you know that he's looking for at least twenty million a year for at least three years because he walked away from thirty four million dollars this year and the though the more conservative situation that i lied to us is. Let's say he took you stayed on that one year and then he didn't have a good season in the neck and so he's he was like this season goes okay and so he's not really competitive for thirty million dollars a year anymore but he is certainly still worth. What would what the athletics. John hollander has valued at seventeen. Million dollar has complicated system for determining player value Market value and they came out of the seventeen million so seventeen million this year this year. That number is impossible to get from a cap space team or to get other free agency market without a sign and trade because teams that have cap space. Maybe i'll looking into gordon hayward it seems like the knicks possibility. It seemed like a possibility that seems like charlotte's a possibility That's what i'm being told by my sources with gordon hayward and that's what all the other big reporters are reporting I i'm a little dubious about that because of big thing. That wanna of my the sources with gordon hayward told me was that gordon wants to win. That gordon wants to play an important role auto winning team. And he can't get that if he goes to any of the teams in the nba cap space. The four teams in the nba was significant. Cap stays all suck orlando's the only one that is showing promise of turning into a playoff team. But they're very. They're not cracking the top six. I guess of the eastern conference right now and let's see what philadelphia's on the outside looking in on that we know philly even with with their either with their current team or if they for james harden could turn into a contender in the league of it. I still good hayward he has to do assign a traitor stay with the celtics if he wants to contend and so going back to the point of before let's say like this year doesn't go great next year. He hits free agency and all the teams with cap space. They all get max players. All caps drives up in gordon assigned a mid level exception deal. So it's like about ten million dollars if you get. Let's say he signed a two year twenty million dollar deal about point that would be three years fifty four million dollars if he had if he had opted this year over the next three years. So you're thinking he. He clearly thinks that he's going to get about three years. Sixty five seventy at the very somewhere. Maybe even a fourth year remember al horford. You left boston. Because he somehow managed to get a fourth year at philadelphia which faucets and very very smartly did want to give was pretty loose. So so the point is is that i think gordon wants at least twenty million a year probably closer to twenty five million a year. I think that twenty million is probably a realistic target for him to get as a high end of this market so the celtics probably would have to pay that out for three years. I think it's a good deal because we know his me. No it's it's only a little bit above. Hajer has is margaret value. We've seen how gordon fits in this team. The only honestly the part with gordon is is he willing to continue to accept this role. And i don't that that generally a genuinely am not certain on I know that he wants to be somewhere where he can be a little bit more. The focal point and with him. It's not it's not about being famous and all that kind of stuff. It's thought about getting the thought about like trying to get like super pay because like the dudes already gotten super. Peter has a hundred million in the bank now. i it's about that. He wants to fulfil his potential in leauges. A impact on basketball like the guy cares. His whole life is dedicated to be a great basketball player. And he's in the situation in boston where he can't really play to his full potential because he doesn't have the ball ends a lot of the time And he like. I've talked about this. A bunch of shows lately. I've written about this a bunch of times. He's complained to me people complaining to me that it's it's not a complaint like kind of a little too strong billy. He said to me multiple times that. It's really hard for me to find a rhythm. When i'm not able to get consistent shots up in a game or only able to get eight or nine shots game. He wants even broke down for me. How like how many actual shots and rhythm he was able to take how many layups he was able to take off the move to try to really find his game and it was like three or four game essentially because so many of shots he was taking. Were spot up shots and stuff like that. So gordon gordon feels like he has compromising. His full capability is ability to truly. Like you know just like a doctor like don't you want to try to become the best surgeon possible and and you know. Make the greatest breakthroughs possible. It's like and being part of a great steam is great especially for learning but at a certain point you wanna be able to see how far you can place your capability and i think that's kind of this this This really tough decision in this crossroads at his in his career where at his age he's his level of alphabet now like this year is probably going to be his best shot at truly being the best player but he could possibly be the player that he's worked as entire life. And it's like it's staying in boston. It's probably going to be benefit compromise on that but he has a very good chance of winning a championship if he does that. And for some guys reaching your potential and being like. I became the best basketball player that i could have been. Is the mission for them for some guys just taking home a ring and saying i want a championship. That's a mission for them. And i think he word those are the top two things for him and i don't know which one weighs out the most of the ends and i don't think there's i have no problem with either one of those a top priority absolutely so that's my short summary of the situation and jared. What's interesting about that. Is i kind of see so. We're recording this just before noon on friday and stein has just reported that This indiana sign and trade is maybe approaching the goal line but indiana doesn't necessarily allow for him to be the man in the way that you're describing not only with the old depot situation being kind of tenuous could the pacers kind of implode a little bit but it's still a kind of crowded offense so i have been reading these this buzz about atlanta new york as kind of a smokescreen from hayward camp as trying to drum up leverage With him in the celtics but if in his heart of hearts you know he does want to be more of a focal point. One of these cap space teams charlotte or new york. For example. he does have more of an opportunity to shine even if to your point. It's not a winning situation. So i have dismissed the cap space teams being major players as hayward and his people drumming leverage. But i think perhaps there's more of a chance that does a really imply than than maybe i know. I don't know what you've heard they. They definitely a warm play than i thought they would be. Because when forget the timing because just the last twenty four hours of taken about three years. I i thought it was lover hearing the i thought that was released wrong. Posturing try to the try to get them to be like all right. We're going to offer you a good deal before you opt out and then when the opt out it's like this guy either is the ultimate bluster core. Were much more. Realistic proposition is that there is a legitimate market out there so yeah i do believe that. Some of these teams are in You know. I think what's really. What makes them more viable for. A lot of space teams is that the celtics are in a position where they're going to wanna take in salary if they lose hayward so that they can continue to have some sort of asset oregon player or whatever it may be so a lot of these teams at the capitals are thinking we can bring in hayward a not really lose that much cap space so we can target someone like russell westbrook which would be really stupid of you but there's a reason why those teams are in the position of the arts. So yeah so. That's i think it's just. There's so many teams that think hayward is more available than most other players because they know the celtics have to recoup something for them so since we can't read his mind only time is going to tell we are looking at what we could set them the the end result of him leaving dead going to make us still over the cab but a non-tax pain team luxury tax paying team. So we should. I mean if he walked straight up. Yeah if he walks in we get nothing back I'm not gonna get into what if it's this player. What if it's clear because that's just a a point of exercise but what if it is but what if it is the but the emily's this year emily is going to be nine point two million dollars Bet should be available to his right. Well unless say bring back. I think miles turner would make them tax paying team which gives the us the taxpayer mid level which is closer to six million. You don't actually 'cause they would take more than miles turner. So yeah if a i think. I think there is a way if they could unload chancellor as well. And i i was expecting. I've been told that cancer was probably gonna end up in the memphis thirtieth big deal to be able to take them in. But i actually. It hasn't been hasn't for us yet. It's possible that comes from i in the next two hours. So maybe that'll change. That actually might not be happening. I'm assuming they're going to be able to move off of cantors money if they need to and so if they move off kanter's money because you're a sign and trade. I believe you can be within twenty five percent of matching. So you don't have to do a one. For one salary matching i believe doing the sign and trade would probably get them below the tax line If they work at right. But i think the problem the problem though is that while Once you you spend that analee just go back over the line. So i'm pretty sure that if you if you're trying to spend the emma lee and it brings you over the tax line you're stuck with it the assembly regardless so i don't i just i don't think any of unless they were able to then flip. I mean there's always a possibility of some sort of third team absorbing a lot of that actual salary to get from there the celtics back when they had so many draft picks you couldn't even found them You know actually you know the the seconds for that so it's very possible that they could actually somehow managed to spin off all this extra salary and get themselves far enough below the tax on that they could actually use full belly which would be huge. That'd be was forget about that was talking about before with in about you know. He strikes out a space next year. And he's a good player that has to take much lower deal to emily. That's happening this year because there's like barely any tax base. Perhaps with bill. So let's talk about kanter just a little bit before we get into some of the some of the lesser book calm less big money contracts that the team is dealing with Canter canter you said might be going to memphis For the pick that they traded that we took dozen bain presumably for for moving there If that doesn't end up happening we end up having to roster desmond main somehow nickel decision about somebody i know is that deals done. It's just a matter with their chances. Are also gonna be okay so so that when a change anything it would just change in form. Some other way in terms of comes back. Maybe a better second round or something like that. I know they have lots really weirdly project protected. Second rounders in memphis to go home city presumably for cap space Based on what's coming back. Which i think they paid a salary. So it's my understanding of that. Now we have semi lay He he looks like he is going to be gone I've been hearing that. He might be able to stay is. That's kind of like a play. If gordon hayward doesn't come back yeah there's so his they exercise team option but his deals non-guaranteed so the team option exercise. All it does is it just keeps him on the roster for another like three or four days so that they can have his salary employees potentially in some sort of deal and then they can wave them but they also have the option of keeping. Everything wants you. I mean the guy's making barely over the minimum. We know he at least can play But be san how little he's been utilized so far you assume that he's not long for the seem But he instill a unique player for them in that you know. He's a big versatile defender. So who can you can shoot a little. Bit so yeah. Here's a three d. player. And they don't have anyone else on the roster right now. Besides graham williams. Who's in quite as smooth upriver defenders semi is so he could keep them for sure But taylor's like shamir pretty widely available these days. You know i know. Three and d players are like all the rage and people think it's such a huge deal to get them but they're also the most plentiful type of player. Most players can't really horrible that well most places defend decently so As a very replaceable type of player. But he's somewhere who they really like a very good fit and he was ever gonna complain about is positioning the rotation. So you can. I could see him stay in wanamaker wanamaker kind of in a similar situation. We have not picked up his option just so he can kind of test the market as a good good move by the team to respect him but he might end up returning probably not from they have so many point guards already a huge question would be with carson edwards still around such an afterthought last year at the deeds of the cylinder contract. So it's very possible that he sticks around But i i think that wanamaker assessment is basically you know. They didn't extend a qualifying offer to like. You said so that he could have a more robust rage market since the do right by him as mostly just doing the right thing because if he was a restricted free agent seems to be like. I don't want to offer you three million dollars as opposed to what a million dollars because the celtics have mentioned very easily so by allowing him to become unrestricted. Teams can be like all right. You're certainly dollars figure. Leave it and so that that helps them a lot more but so right now i just don't think they have a need for him if he were scott. If a lot of these other guys are gone. They need some veteran presence. They know exactly what they can get out of him so they could potentially bring back. But it a really. I mean i was mad as person over was last season. We know that and it just seems like it would be really silly to not ever give a chance of developing some more substantial player. Just because you want to maintain wanamaker steady play. Even though it's very remarkable study by daniel else that we mentioned that might be on the move. We should be expecting all this talk in. Tremont waters taco. Don't i haven't gotten a sense of any teams that are going to offer him a roster spot right now Or a guarantee got phone guaranteed deal right now but it's certainly possible he. I mean clearly demonstrated last year that he's got a future in the nba or so question about that The question is just do teams had room to bring him in right now or is it going to be another two so if it was going to be another to deal definitely make the most sense from the stay where he is and it's too late. Deals are really. There's so much better this year the nba. Change the rules. So that it's no longer you don't you no longer get paid per day that you show up at the be level. You just can't paid a flat half a million dollars early a little bit less than that. It's it's basically half of what the minimum for rookie. So it's actually like a pretty solid deal and it doesn't really limit your mail in the you're only allowed to play fifty games. I think so. I'm assuming talkers. Not gonna play fifty games exner near so. I think that it will work out. Pretty well for him. Saying the two way seems definitely a lot more appetizing. I tried talking to a scam. Trying to get a little bit more insight. And they're really. Yeah the two. Eight deals are a little bit more appetizing. And then i said okay. So does that mean. You're no longer dead set on getting a ross respond. You'd be interested in taking way and interest so. I don't really have marie there. And then as far as concerned the exhortation has been that he would get promoted the full-time Just because he was so damn good in the g. last year so i assume that still going to happen and that they would move on from wanamaker because of that you never know. Obviously so what do you think. Boston's needs are going forward. We probably addressed hopefully address shooting draft. I know people aren't super crazy about peyton pritchard He's definitely not anything. That like screams like sexy basketball player. But he's really really solid. And i think he has a really good shot. Obviously james james aaron knees muth time. So i'm a little distracted by the Wonderful garbage people in i for those who are listening. Unfamiliar live in mexico city. And this is how you know which attract. I guess the wise thing to do anyway. So yes newsmen. Hopefully addresses the shooting along with richard What else are we looking at for needs. I've heard that we probably want a bigger brilliant big. I kind of feel like we might want to find somebody. Maybe we could talk about. Who were the kind of a reunion tinge later on But that's only completely. Can you think of other things that maybe the celtics we'll be looking for. I mean anyone is olive reading content would be ideal sir. I do think that i should have mention this. Before wanamaker prichard pritchard's like a better version of wanamaker's whether ob so and i think they saw brad and danny said on draft night they got it made it sound like they're expecting pitcher to come in and probably play what wanamaker's role is supposed to be. I mean don't forget wanamaker. When they originally brought him in the people forget wanamaker is on the minimum like he was not he. He was basically the seventh man on the hoster last year. The dude was supposed to be back into the roster player. it's so he had he had released step up. I thought he did a solid job for sure even if he is a relatively unremarkable player. He certainly isn't very seti player. Pritchard is kind of the same thing. He's not he's not going to be like super flash she's not going to be making incredible passes running amazing pick and rolls hitting tons of crazy shots that dude. It's gonna be a release steady. Excuse me said he big site. Good size point thirties. Solid well-built sicklets. Two which used to be a big point guard. But i guess probably an advocate credit. These days of all the guys handle the ball. You know when you're gonna drive the behind lamelo ball is like six hundred eight hundred point. You don't seem that big anymore at six to in well-built but that's by winemaker. Was like six. Four hundred buildings a pretty big pun carpet. So it'd be that guy that gives them the steady hands that can run but basic options can spread the floor attack in drive and kick all that kind of stuff and he's incredibly confident and obviously has great winning Resumes well and they know that he loves you really thrives under significant pressure. So i think that. That's that like that solves. What could have been a need right there. You know i think there was. There was a need for a backup point guard. That could actually do something with the ball. And i think the between richard potentially giving them more capability to wanamaker gave them trauma waters advancing and other year. Who's a very very crafty exciting. Flashy point guard and then just Who am i forgetting right now. It's actually of course in other words. I think they have the they have enough of what they need. The potentially get by and emphasized some of the other need areas as opposed to really focusing on getting the dj augustine. Or jeff tea or something like that might as well get a player like that who they can at least count on to be a score. But i don't think they have to have like that a player at this point so when you're feeling bayer for needs if kanter's gone than the other do need somebody that could bring down low for sure whether it's the rebound whether it be a po- score of some sort you know like cancer hitter. Because they brought him in on the tax of elites it was like he was the signing. He was their signing of the offseason. He was looked at by he was going to have to play a huge role for the team and that type of player as we learned camp play a huge role for a team that type of player definitely valuable in certain situations. And it's good to have a morales so we definitely need one of those kind of guys. I think they need off the bench. Another another Three levels quartzite. I mean you're not gonna find many of those kinda guys but although if they have the melita work with the tax could get a gallon bad. I think you know somebody like like danilo gallinari if he strikes out on free agency which he probably won't i think he's someone that they probably should target Just somebody that takes if if hayward gone there's going to be so much pressure on jalen brown and adjacent tatum like super proficient scores and playmakers and while they're capable handling it still a lot of pressure on them and they're still pretty early in their careers and just having one more guy especially a veteran like gallon ari. Who's been doing it for a decade. Now that you can really count on. I think we be really really huge for them. So there's a couple of different ways that they can ask these kinds of players. There's the kind of guy that you were talking about gala we wouldn't be at him without a signing trade. Though there might be. Maybe what your opinion on this is. There might be some some options out there available Even without hayward that could theoretically be available via sign sign and trade. That's not a very likely Option what about Some options for the emily. What are we looking at. In terms of either emma leaner opinion but what would some realistic and probably even targets beaver that that range of salary wish list in front of me. I did a few stories on this. Remember of time i had but i think that so the chicago situations really interesting so they are letting christiaan and shack errors. Go and i'm really high on chat garrison. He's six foot seven point guard. Who can you can eat his point guard. He's not like he's not like necessarily a point guard as much decided like a big ball handler but he also could shoot the ball pretty pretty decently and he's a very good defender like he's a really stupor. Active point of a type of offender or smart health offender crashes the glass like a real high energy guy. I think he would be ideal for this team and they could be realistically had for the tax do that. He could be in. Play there even though i think. He's definitely worth more than that. But this is very very deflated Marketplace so i think that's probably that's the first thing that comes to mind for me for sure The anthony melton with would have been somebody. But i just don't think there's any way that memphis let's some go and he's restricted. So i i just don't think they're going to be able to pick up for them. Maybe if they want to throw the full emily. I don't maybe maybe memphis are willing to pay nine million dollars and somebody who's probably going to be a bench player. Maybe a starter. But that's another guy that i've always been really high on. But i think that 'cause i mean he's melton present something kinda similar to new smith and i think that knee smith is good and ready enough for the league that they can count on him to be part of the rotation right away. But i'm a little skeptical that he's going to be a good defender right away. He's going to be dynamic offensive player right away. I think that's gonna take a little time. So i think that they still they still should pursue some three d. Help for sure right now. Look you mentioned. Chris done to He's kind of other. is he. a point guard. 'cause i mean he doesn't shoot just now yeah he he is remember. Marcus smart was terrible and everything on offense. That's krista so. I like that a lot to try to keep it simple. That's that's who he is. So he's amazing. Defender emmy as long as smart as they are. They just don't need them get just. There's no point in having a one way super defender on the team and you already have the best defender at that position in the league for three in guys hood base more clarkson burks old friend. Avery bradley come to mind Any of those. Maybe yeah you know. Every obviously that's bays morris had on the list. That's a good one. I don't think they need that. You know it'd be nice to have a creative scorer coming off the bench. Will you know what. Maybe i don't know when i watched personal files last year. The dude is just truckin and then he was just terrible otherwise and while they're going to a player that is going to be a chucker for them. I would rather target one of these guards. Like jordan mclaughlin out of minnesota is one. I really like And i'm assuming they're gonna keep him based on who they drafted but he's someone that really toward up in the g. League got called up last year to minnesota and it was great and he was scoring like something like fourteen points at night for the last month and a half of the season. he's a super high energy really athletic undersized guard but in really pull up kind of reminds me of into a certain degree although it was bigger than shane larkin. I don't know if he has a fifty inch vertical schindler. He's he's really good also. Shane larkin thinking. Get them if they can get on that be great. But he He's coming over unless he's like a six man basically. I don't know if you'd be able to get that role here but Yeah i i think that i would rather get one of those guys where instead of it being a wing that you have to kind of like the bombings shot. If you're going to get a big time score off the bench make make it a point guard that you can put out there next to somebody your wings. You're three guys and have him just three of energy. And so the ball and really the offense that way and then all of your wings are good defenders who can compliment that and you have more balanced that way. So let's let's close this out with something earlier. Basically we kind of dancing around this notion of a few different potential celtics reunions. I don't think any of them are going to happen. Just because the nature of the businesses that any particular targeted hard to get even if everybody wants to theoretically connect aaron baynes as a big john. Rondo isaiah. Thomas and of course. We already mentioned avery bradley. Is there a realistic path. To any of these guys joining the celtics again. Baynes be seen getting arab the amazing for the steam. Wow that would be so huge lump. Because he's for one he's the best player in the nba. We all know that too. He feels i need of having something. True power impact or underneath the rim. That can do a lot of the stuff that cantor does on On the bus and stuff like that while obviously being a very good defender and apparently four spreader which is so remarkable to say it so it doesn't look effective whatever works works right But so. I don't think he's in play for them unless they get a full emily. It seems like his market is stronger than facts. Emily i mean we know there's been a lot of reporting that he's definitely leaving phoenix so i guess it sounds like there's some teams out there that one of be their starting center or there's some teams out there that are willing to offer eight million dollars a year so i don't think the celtics are going to be in play for him but it certainly possible. Yeah i think. There's a few older veteran players that could if they are chasing a ring find their way to boston. But there's better contenders. If i was selling who wanted to chase a ring other more sure. Bets and jersey appoint. There's also teams that can offer more money so the celtics straddle this world not quite having the most lucrative contracts nor do they have the best like surefire place to content for title. You're saying i wanna. I wanna just follow up on that. Who do you think are the teams that are that. Have that have the resources to actually players in the market so you have a better selling pitch than of selfish out. So that's i think there's If you wanted to just maximize your salary. The celtics can't compete just because there are teams with real cap space in if you wanna take the vet minimum or something close to it to contend there are other teams so it's not like the celtics are so are a negative landing spot but i think for some players like paul millsap for example he might take a decidedly less money. If he wants to chase a ring he might end up doing that in a place. That is boston or he might find a payday. That is bigger than what boston wants to offer right. Okay so you're saying that there are teams that no sampling. Rather go to the boston where i would say. I think boston's one of the most competitive teams when it comes to making the pitch to somebody like millsap. Hey come take don't get the bi-annual exceptions take three million dollars this year and play twenty five minutes a night for us. I think it's a really strong sell coming from boston. Yeah i mean compared to say like the la teams. I think a player like a paul millsap gets a chance to handle the ball. More especially of gordon hayward on his way out so to that end i mean on those up to the top of models. I just used him as a placeholder but is secretly Optics design paul millsap. And while we're talking about reunions. I think we would be remiss if we talked about the reunion. That wasn't because frank kaminsky is available much. We know age seems to live. Franken venzke so i think probably the worst possible outcome for the celtics is that they lose gear. Gordon hayward just walks and then they overpay trink kaminsky. I think that would be hell on earth for celtics fans as long as they have one way got. It's only matters right. I suppose yeah. I think that's oh boy. 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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

"All right here we go a mason in ireland show we've got a full house a we've got a michael thompson a hanging out ramona shelburne end brian cabinet ski a an died so michael what you've been doing yourself you you've been out there for a few with i'm off i'm falling all the free stuff going on signings around the league of course a hanging out with clay skipping unhealthy out of surgery yesterday so he's the hallway there yesterday he's on the road to recovery and hopefully about eight or nine months from now he'll be litters his timetable mark like rehab all right away the doctors they wished you had the surgery yesterday in today's already do a little movements and stuff and they call it it goes up every month tense well that's the delay in having the surgery town now the swelling i could go down oh yeah so they make sure the last year yeah and the new space jam because it's all cg i right and do the digging through his speaking parts and i guess he's not the move around forever party how much is it getting free space yeah i asked him that he never really told me said that doesn't really no that's when you know you make too much money when you're doing the job you know what you get paid you know if i ever got clay money i would take a whole bunch of cash and i would throw it on my bad and then i land it and i got my money around ask really hell oh hell yes sir you're leaving those cashier withheld and you're headed one took a boy not very much maybe cash or money cash but the big difference maybe it'll go by the check early i'm so dumb i went out when we bought our first house you have to like get a cashier's check takeover that hasn't grow and it's like a cashier's check and i walked down the stretch crash yeah like walked down like receipt of boulevard from the chafing with the cashiers names on it nobody pitcher but like it was like every said i'd ever in my life like we literally catch they're already know how much i realized how much i've had almost fifty thousand dollars cash in hand when we had theaters in hot but it wasn't your money we didn't have like a brinks truck come yeah it was my money they were my theaters but yeah but you had the pay people would that money right what we did was we were we were stuck because it was a it was a neighborhood where there were there were challenges bandits a we would see objects on are pants and then go let's other wells fargo and we'd make the cash deposit that i'd never bring struck to do that so tell us element that when he just came from a like a night the pilots dollars in your pants right yeah so i say fifty thousand dollars this is the most money i've ever had it for download really stupid i think it was are only choice we're a small independent theater you had no security unredacted big night we had no security nothing why when you high security why wouldn't we because we were small independent business we're just trying to get by you kidding me this is how small independent businesses operating back when they're used to be cash announce all credit cards yeah that's why people don't carry cash anymore you carry cash i still like the idea i like to do business with a catholic extending that people would the stupid cardinals suddenly does award you gotta pull another card and not just the least i do not have any single dollar in my wallet right now really well not a single dollar by so you walk by the idea dollar one dollar all right yeah you're right i figured out a homeless guy goes yeah he's a conscience how much money do you have in your pocket right now right now on me i would say about a hundred and sixty seven under just about the hundreds i always kind of you know exactly all right you're playing poker money's always like a like you know twenty five ten spot organized organizing i love when you're playing poker chips oh always follow it i start counting recount akam i'm like oh there's there's ten and attract everybody well yeah when you play they all have to know how much money you have in your stack they're gonna play poker once i fold by two seven off sued i've gotta do something studying back and chips staring at you other layers that's a line of it's held at you're thinking about the value the money and you're not a shark is that right yeah but i don't like you in consecutive ships but it shouldn't register your relatives anybody sitting down with steve mason poker table thinking he's a shark a shark really playing poker oh three in box will see of a what a three grand a year ahead yeah i never spend more than a single atn withdrawn when i'm gamble is that's my limit one eighty sam what's wrong with those are never lost big money are no ireland god can you imagine ireland actually bring him in a program that's right because you guys got to reintroduce yourself and get used to the the the sequence sequence or between the you know the kings between you know how long we work together michael and overwhelming but no we worked together for twenty five years i believe it's like riding a bike you know what this is like what did you remember a sex in the city movie where miranda and her a in steve i do not boy this is a friend joe this is how i bring loser referenced the most of our audience doesn't get trust me they do they they all had to watch the sex in the city movie with their significant another didn't know okay under par where ever see electric true none of us have ever seen how not like sexy jay haven't seen it a no no okay so it's a hunter unanimous none of us right now i'm gonna watch the show heller i find it to be annoying compared arlo mason's will let me do it really looks okay so steve is miranda's husband or boyfriend longtime boyfriend and he church on her then it's she's so upset and she could never trusted mechanic center so they go to therapy eventually an the therapists says you guys are going to not talk to each other for thirty days and you're gonna think about things and work on things and if at the end of thirty days you want to get back together you're gonna pick a spot and you're you're gonna show up and if people if steve shows up and ran shows up you move on and you forgive and forget then if one of you show up any other one doesn't show up it's over it's over so the whole movie is like building to this and like can they learn to trust each other again but the idea is if you can't trust each other again and you don't wanna if you can't you can't trust each other again you show up on the brooklyn bridge and you move along but you don't hold it over them forever okay what is when i know you're like oh fuck says what i think of that story and i wanna point out over the bridges said no i'm not gonna meat and bread freaks here you tell each other more now airfreight that's what i'm getting at new england ryan a scammer to tactical airs with what we just did hear the first one was if we were going to lead ramona tell the story we should've just let her do it because it takes ramona while the pills quick version for you ain't thereby making fun of me right but we should have done was continue the filibustered keep her from telling a story that he could frustrate you she wouldn't eventually he watches those those got a romantic here's you in ireland should meet and greet connect it's more like this it's more like this hanging i can't quite joe yeah i can't quarter about the dental be i can't i can't quit you and noble noble for the first time last week oh did you really what a slew what a circus doesn't seem like you're kind of food no i'd go because we had like a little celebration dinner out there free sandwiches oh no no accidents cooked food i lost his coat like and i like i need all organized the sushi what's called the crab meat nonproliferation oh no that's not true right okay okay office company islands might be from dallas when you walk through an office office fish fries maybe you're listening to caspian los angeles you are you are you living fairly cheaply yeah i'm a i'm a conservative comically i i like the way somebody i like nice thing so nice hold a nice car but after that i'm done that's it yeah see i'm the i'm the same way that light while i'm not ramona is well yeah she's all about it would be all about can you imagine for downloaded i'm smart i living in a fancy house as important devils pocket books keep up with her exactly damn youth with cardi b i drive a lot say alexis i really impressive i'll say aid bans i know the answer so i can't do it alone off brand what is it a honda accord is that right she's the co i leonard of a handle it she's still drives sinker right 'cause you know what i just drive so much that i don't wanna have such a nice car 'cause i'm just gonna put a bunch of miles i mean you know what you need a safeguard got little you know this it's like the see this guy was on a corner on cars are bad investment yesterday i ever yelling a really big contract i would go get a tesla ramon in the neck and i think that's a car and get one nashville don't there's no point like my kid asked me the other day he's like he's like when you're gonna get a new car i drive a two thousand eleven the honda and there's nothing wrong with it as though i told him whether you wanna go to camp or do you want me to have a new car like you know it's like i don't need to get a new car until this car stopped nice i can't i drive like all the time i could afford this sort of like one so many miles and wear and tear on a really nice michael what do you dre i got it out ali q so nice that we're gonna see when dr hall crv when you're on a honda cr v yeah it's like wait michael's eleven feet tall he means a certain kind of long agro i've been i've driven a mini cooper before have you see what looks to be it's a lot less comfortable to the sea goes back a long way and then how do you reach the we'll look at my we must have tremendous very very comfortable for me in michael including clinton trace or me michael claimed another kid go all in the car there's no way anyone could sit in the back seat if you had you if we made it we did it only cost a hundred fifty bucks reading the bombers i don't wanna pay forty dollars where you're like a big old luxury suv's so it's become so i just got a little mini cooper sat one well and kind of lazy well i am kind of wears yeah oh definitely that you might look you are you aware of what a a popular player clay has become you know i saw i it's not like lavar but yeah people around the league when i travel all the fans coming to me they also they love play a lot of people i've talked to in the media yeah so they love clay because of the way he conducts himself eyesores accessible to the media the way he plays and shows a lot of heart so yeah i i have heard from a ton of people how much they he's kind of like the favorite player a lot of his favorite player in the league and i felt that i say you know a lot of people respected by the way you conduct yourself in a hard hard you play in hockey showing the floor you know and he shrugs itin you know i'm sure he likes hearing that and but i i got a lot of compliments of people unsolicited about how much they admire him yeah it's like everything about class funnier cool and like you unassuming yeah and that's just what i like about klay so he's he clearly gets being clay yeah he's he's he's happy with what he's a guy like you know guy what he wants to do and cleared away from bass just wants to play chess with his friends just wants to hang out with the jets and we look he's so obsessed with just hear these things all of that as well just yet he saw this new this new has been doses college he the way he guys now and i don't totally understand it being i a lot of it's driven by media social media and all the thing to any of these guys like i feel like they have to athletes who feel like they have to be angry or upset or unhappy about something because it's part of the edge of being eight an elite athlete you're never satisfied lows i guess is kobe related you're never satisfied unless you're you've won this claes like were cool like i just puts things in perspective for an 'cause he's he told me so mad that just makes you think about bless you are when you healthy anybody not just athletes but the anybody out there who's going through any kind of health issues it just makes you puts things makes you think about how blessed now she's still labeled a contact instagram models how how did he have any offer out there before he sonic is one of my favorite my favorite athletes are different people in a story was the one where russell westbrook basically had that you know super max offer whatever on the table for like months among like like if somebody if i had that kind of money on a contract i had my agent call me is like this is available for you right now and i'm walking down the street i stop i sit down doing laundry until somebody 'cause i could get hit by a car that something could happen russell westbrook is walking around doing stuff like he doesn't have two hundred million dollars sitting on the table and waiting for it and i couldn't believe latest craze it's bizarre crazy weird money like it's hard to even imagine having that much money is when how life would be different and you know i honestly believe my life would not be much different me to if i had crazy money oh yeah tesla and that's what i you know my last lays rich person car thinking of liberal right brian you're life would be definitely yeah because there's a big difference between you know i'm i'm very happy i'm lucky to make when i making journalism working in this and doing whatever but like if suddenly my income jumped up to ten million dollars a year now i would say i'm not sure ten million vs is fifteen would matter right but where i am now two million i wouldn't be out your house would change everything would change like we we were in the same house that may be but you know i would get a house how about that i would have done yeah you know my kids in v answer the question of when you're carpet probably tuesdays similarly we talking sports about like oh they got this guy for nothing nothing is two point six million dollars exactly he's playing for free yeah we were talking about that damian clay 'cause we were watching all the hockey guys we decided amtrak's new against seven years forty nine million seven years eighty million or eight years eighteen compared nb guys were like that's so cute yeah yeah i look at it this way think of if you just left washington state or any of any college you just graduated for the last ten years you were fortunate to make twenty million dollars you're set for life oh yeah yeah i haven't lightly average salary in america under sixty thousand dollars oh yeah they average salary in america sure yeah yeah compared to what the how these guys making so much so fast over a few years so you gotta keep things in perspective rest of the guys but actually blow it off their guy low at all how do you go let's say you make sixty million dollars over six years giving you five million dollars a year after taxes every year it's been thirty has explained to me why this is why i love bobby bone you this is bobby bonia down where he gets paid by the mets a million three or whatever it is every year it seems like twenty thirty five million five year every year until twenty eli up as a middling never compare to the silliness of saint louis oh yeah it's fair deal in sports history but they finally settled for five hundred million dollars on the line now and that's the one i also had like one percent one percent of a just a small percentage of the tv contracts for for from each turney 'cause they were in the abe ea in saint louis spirits win the abia in nb emerged instead of the saint louis spirits joining the nbc along with the spurs the jazz the pacers and the nets the stillness who owned spirit said you know what we don't wanna own a team anymore they were kinda holding up the whole merge right yeah so i told the debt then commission i think it would allow brian tell you what instead of us joining the league just give us a small percentage of the tv contracts whenever you guys signed for in perpetrating forever and of course nbc oh sure they'll give you an early on tv if they could have joined they could have been brought up at three million dollars in way back nearly seven mentioned but instead of taking the cash they said just give us a small percentage of tv money anyway as we know the tv money away from basically nothing up to billions of dollars every year they had the cut a check them from about thirty million dollars they finally sold out until they finally sold out but that's the crazy thing about it i remember about thirty years ago story came out this illness are willing to settle their their case with bnb or the deal with dnb for five million cash is that right on nbc said no why they don't wanna pay them the five million in evidence then next thing you know bird and magic come into the legal laying explodes jordan takes it to another level kobe shack and the champion when it started going through the roof and just kept collecting all right hey michael we gotta let you go here well south mail to circle back to be a big story of the day but i want a standalone ramona's here you excuse me like you talk i think we could talk in the paint named a jewish deli beak system what's the name wasn't be smarter bank first day my job being so when she they asked me a is gonna join us next tuesday biggest raptors fan we know that just gets healthy that's like ireland allusion racism naturalist are being raised about being racist fine so a we're on why watch anymore norman we could get news about quiet leonard and where he's gonna land now he was on a plane to toronto today he then in eight black suv's they went to a particular hotel which is now and circle with the raptors fans and there is no bigger raptors fan but i know the nut julie stewart's banks who joins us right now jsp how are you hey guys i'm doing okay i'm nervous different reasons you guys are obviously nervous it's been a it's been a tough week of cool i watched so i just following everything on twitter right now you're not speaking of a hotel on a canadian or you know i'm not like one of those other canadians it's gonna blow it okay everyone has a role in toronto right now that is exactly what are obviously one hour two hours ago i felt it in the bag coming that she say in the now everyone's come out of their office instead of going a happy hour drink and that canadian beer they're going in the waiting room outside just like they were if brad pitt with dancing in the street and i like no one who did that dialogue canadians cannot play it cool we've got a real because of that politically quite a not social media so hopefully nellie tells them about all this stuff outside of she wants it low key he it was it was circle of trust in his loyalty test somehow this scott up who do you think we should it's it's gotta be from drake like the hazelton hotel is the connection the drake always has a three day that's where he don't be so he told someone someone told someone else i text all day i text groups messaging off the hook from everyone in canada saying oh he's got hudson bay card now oh he's eating at the cactus club like it's it's been madison basically everyone it's connected to someone that those are co why is it sucks because as you guys said he wants it low key and somehow toronto is blowing it you'd think yeah label is gonna blow it with everything you guys have gone through in the last couple of months but they'll they'll head up toronto is gonna ruin that's not the last i love to here's whipping julie this you even get on the plane to go from l h toronto for a meeting and then think he's gonna get out of canada alive if he does he know he doesn't say real staying really good point ramona i mean there are people at the border who will not let him out i mean when why why musical toronto if you're doing why the canadians are gonna be burned his jersey they're just gonna politely fold up and put it in a drawer well i think like if you wasn't gonna sign here he'd get someone just send it belonging back right like when you break up with an axe and they don't wanna see them again so ramon i think you're onto something maybe he does come back to toronto but but i do believe everyone i just saw the tweet that you know they're gonna burn in jersey they won't look at the trash talking jimmy kimmel did no one knows how to be eating canada okay like even if they try to they can't do it properly anyway because they're not cool enough doc while day so i think it's gonna be it's gonna be tough but look we have a championship you know you guys didn't get one last year so i mean like i know that's really tough so on then right canadians are into the trash that's my track that once you chose only about it took me a second to identify what that was supposed to be but once i did i totally confirmed what you said you'd get it last year it's already a story how life flat or you're not wearing nice one ramona story not already nominees ori that's how you do it as a care the by the way the michael referring to is finally released sally beak so what my mom's referred to as juliet sally being she'll be truly sally beach it's all my last name is like the beta makes it says i was on cnn today humble brag you know i it wiping the dirt off my shoulders they call your bank it's like it's hard everyone messes up or cnn or canadian cnn well you know i i'm big time they stopped the real tv here in america not that can't canadian lakes diet coke up nice real cnn what were you doing unreal cnn we're we're talking about you're swimming oh nice over the overlords the soccer obviously it's a well i've got some bad news for tomorrow is the fourth of july jared america fourth of course they saw you tweet that mason it really i interrupt me the right way 'cause you know would have been nice if he could have signed on can you explain the city explained esteem explained a bourbon i'm trying to tell them that that canada is a deeply holy holy i how canadians go it's a patriotic canadians get the heaven i'm right well i mean i'm sure i guess that you see that it's like that it's no wonder in america knows anything about canada or any thing outside of america canada that they're like independence day from great britain eighteen sixty these that those drugs and apparently the july fourth of july right anytime you're gonna have a nice yeah okay sure that's it all right well listen yeah so i mean i know were both on both sides of this right now i even though toronto's blowing it i still think at ramona point he's gonna stay in canada he likes aplastic money you've got free healthcare a they take care of wildberry partying with drake is not doing that and i like all right listen j b we wish you the worst of block island thank you very much all right once you get a pocket full of tuning so what do you do you might as well stay on the banking convertible this what do you do all right coming up next misery language bomb bomb bomb i don't understand it change i drop it the grizzly they're trading kyle korver in javan carter the sons worthy anthony melton josh jackson twenty twenty second round pick twenty twenty conditional second round pick league sources wsb okay i'm josh jackson number yeah josh allen nick a couple of years ago yeah josh jackson as got potential gonna put cow korver out on the on the buyout waiver wire canada like phoenix is if you look around you to lakers were like her kyle korver see they're turning on dollar okay guys hang on because everyone's day at one thirty we talked buster only talk some dodgers okay pretty incredible thing happened last night the dodgers kind of unprecedented i will get fostering here next we're keeping our eyes on collide mason ireland momo's here brian cabinet ski so you're e s p n a lay all right a let's real quick give away a pair of tickets to see a b l e f c versus the portland timbers in the usa open cup quarterfinals match up a very simple game we played it a last hour will play it again now a there it is a by a let's go to jim in hollywood jimmy ronnie espionage hey what's up man hey not much rounds that effort niggers found that out that they're quiet leonard rather be going back to the original i mean let's not let's not be fatalistic the chairman it's not over yet like that i think he could leave toronto each day it's not like he flew in the you know the country you can't leave yeah it's not over yet man don't give up don't give up all right here we go i'm gonna give you three names tell me which one is a member of el amc hey i download them on day be don omar see gal garcia bernau dot omar i'm sorry that is incorrect that argument men on show thanks for trying a let's go to a joey in culver city hey jodie what's up hey what's up guys i don't care that last caller said they great white coming our way that all right which one left on the board eight adama damn unday or see gal garcia bernau which one plays her l e f c a m a come on man i've never i've never been the first one the first one yeah so lonely correct yeah yes domini among day fifty six minute of every game in scores a goal that's what he does every game yeah gallagher see ever now a famous actor mama tambien yeah in a motel in the jungle a good hit on it i always huge but not physically human human being oh yeah yeah enemy averages younger player congratulations man you're gonna go see l f c and the portland timbers usa open cup quarterfinals matchup of july ten thanks offer listen man we appreciate it so much my first soccer game i'm excited you'll you'll have a blast man it's a great venue it's a great venue and a great time a all right yes okay we've got a piece piece of sound it just happened on the get up early afternoon version of the get up show this is jam they call it first take that you were on the air and you said that you believe why leonard would never play for the san antonio spurs again not too many people took that seriously at the time turns out of course they'll be absolutely right i know you've spent a lot of this day talking to a lot of people what are you here so as you just saw kawai leonard is in toronto what i'm ninety nine percent harry is that kawai leonard will be returning to toronto in signing a two year contract just completed its eighth season that's gonna put a met ten years that puts him in position to get the largest available maximum deal for player of his tenure meanwhile in all of this is extraordinarily significant and important piece of this to make sure everyone is aware of that ten year does increase the value of the super max he would then be eligible for and so again this is what you're hearing from people close to the situation if you notice i never vacillated because these are the same people have been talking to the entire time ends when you hear the reports especially when you do we do it's easy to kind of get off you're square but i've been consistent in is you know me i like to measure twice twice and cut once i just dropped the my so jalen rose says ninety nine percent returning to toronto a i i think jay lin is is in a position to know you played there knows a lot of people in toronto i believe in me i don't have any reason not to believe about giving up ironman not given up not giving up ninety nine percent is not a hundred percent right member not men vermeer overtime line dot dot up a yeah there is a still according jaylen rose one percent as a one percent chance that a coup why will come here oh you gotta play that sound magical he'll he'll journaling a quitter that's what i'm saying were quitters around here drilling rose a quitter maybe maybe he is still upset and i'm not giving up eighty one freaking point shooters items in eighty one percent chance you're gonna have a rental appropriate yeah a little salty jerry when i mean he literally said they ended i just dropped the might come on where did you planets all user range here we go i really get on the plane did toronto do the meeting there and then i mean if there's one superstar who would do that it would be i would say why what's the price bill barnwell like you know i i wanna this is a romantic but also frankly he maybe just left his contact lenses so we're not exactly that's that's the story like like you anything could be true anything could about why he's you're inclined test it's like you would just believe it well and i really do think i like my head says there's no way you're not playing all if malaita along and i go back to the chris haines interview we did earlier this week and i felt like a and you you know chris haines is very close to that situation yeah a that a i walked away from that feeling like toronto which probably despite it being comfortable is what co why were looking for he knows they a training staff he knows the general manager he knows the coach knows those players he knows they just want a championship it probably makes the most sense for him a just stay sounds like greg we've got to quitters there's i think that really matters all over the place still one percent ninety nine forty nine gene off it's tough to be like v exchange rate on ninety nine percent from canadian do american drops it back down to like sixty percent right exactly simulator pretty sure that's how this works you're clinging clinging absolutely cleaning well all playing well ronan not a journalist and is a classically train wealth inferred but he's been in the media long enough to know you don't go on tv and say ninety percent and then i just said i wanna he's a measure twice cut once kinda got yeah like the reason why this stuff is so so hard is that even though you like even as i 'em report on stuff like you'll get something that is like so firm but you also know what is writing on it and there's usually only like one or two sources i could tell you a hundred thousand percent yup okay so even if you get it like oh my gosh i know i'm right you still want a second source but in this day and age you don't really have time sometimes you get a second source yeah and so like i usually will just take the l and i'll try get that second source because you're careers over if you're wrong plus or you just like tweet something out or reports and again it's just wrong like lie but you're credibly near road you're something like that we can't be wrong about something like that so jailing lincoln gone and say ninety percent sure and if it if it ends up being wrong no but you know what it is you know people remember generally have it out on his brand jalen is just like incredibly likable and a good tv analysts who gets a lot of good information but if he's wrong it's not like he's out on the streets in my life at the same time he has put himself out there we put us all out the end i don't think he would do that in a real west shore yeah all right 'em let's put a pause on fast track

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Improving Players with Joe Hulbert

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Improving Players with Joe Hulbert

"Welcome to another edition of the premium. Who's podcast. i'm your host mark schindler as always before we get started today. If you haven't already please be sure to rate and review us over on apple. Podcasts always helps us out and of course read us overlap. Removes we have some great stuff coming out Scott recently wrote a great article on jason. Tatum you should read and our very own. Joe joe holbert. Who is on pod with me today. Wrote a fantastic piece on julius randle. His game has evolved and how he's gonna be maximized with the knicks so first of all for even diving basketball. Joe how're you doing today man. I'm doing pretty well. It's a Six imperative the f. a. u. k. funds. Because this is the only one two weeks where the time difference is only four hours. Is that five. The game style. Very nice okay. I didn't know that that actually helps out a lot. I can imagine you're watching schedule. Lose lake so messed up man because i literally just trying to stay up for eleven o'clock games or ten o'clock tip loss. I'm falling asleep halfway through the game. So i honestly got into a state now where i don't really watch live games much anymore unless i'm officially covering it. I just washed in the morning. And even then i like you lose out some on doing that but it makes it difficult. Yeah pick up a law watching the games live because you can see kind of like You can get failed for the game and you might think more about why a coach has made this move different ops. They win crowd noises there as well because they're trying to battle against that as well so you know. Sometimes you'll see coaches when they're on a therapist that team struggling on the roads they might try and allow the phone into shoot. Three's thinking that home crowd noise will made the mess and stuff like that so you can pick out stuff like that watching the games live but it's not great for the us leaving. Yeah that's for damn sure van We we have a lot of exciting stuff to talk talk about today. We're gonna talk about just some of the most improved players in the league or more importantly some of the improvements that you and i have have really noticed those that are stuck out the most and i want to start by talking about how you gauge most improved player does not necessarily what we're doing today. We're not here to talk about who. The most improved player is in rank it but i i do think it's an interesting point to bring up like you know a lot gets made out of you know quote unquote player is a second year player but they. That's the big debate. That always comes up. Should you just be expecting this from a second year player. What makes it different than just the normal growth curve that type of thing. so how. How does that factor in the way. You're looking at who the most improved players in the league is. I mean for the most part. It changes your need information. Just using last year's example i was Devante graham guy devante went from being someone that no one had heard of to average twenty points per game on relatively good efficiency especially from three of sleet. He doesn't touch the rim much in the way was planned for me was enough but we'll see this year at though my heads. I can't think of anyone who's come from being son named no one knew to averaging twenty a game good efficiency so the shift of may. I'm looking maybe. It's a flawed rev looking at by look at someone who makes the most difference to that team so all they just another good player on a good team. Who is benefiting from you know having less defensive attention given to them or is it god like julius randle. Who is the hub of the offense and playing that's while efficiently that's kinda what matters to me itself. A tug of option. They'll mets him. Yes cocoa's noted. We've mentioned the phone. Who has improved. He has by think he's in the situation where i would expect improvement because you know he doesn't say double coverage he doesn't. He's not the hub of the fence. He still got a nice role. But someone that rando. It's hard to make that jump because when you're guarding the knicks. He's he's thinking about you. Don't think about reggie bullock gold. Mitchell robinson you think about him saddam. That's the contest goes into. Yeah definitely i think those those are really great points to bring up. I mean that watches us. Right into looking at julius randle. I think you. And i've talked about this a little bit when you were writing your article and you mentioned a fine bit bringing it up the expectations that i have julius randle this year. I mean that. I've had in the last couple years. I think it's interesting because a lot of i mean. The idea of julius randle has always been that he's just kind of ball stopper a little bit of a ball hog. Not that efficient. And that's really just been disproven this year. He's always had the visions of passer in the ability to be a pastor and things have really changed up this year for him with the knicks and his deserving was an all star. You obviously like. I mean if people haven't read joe's piece of course go read it ace app because it's fantastic. Bless just dive into that right now. What do you think has changed the most for him other than his his reads envisioned. Because i think as you highlight in your article. It's a lot more than that. I think the main thing that who has done in the main. I give him credit for is that it doesn't like that kind of individual basketball. He likes show especially for permanent schultz. His doesn't up threes gemrusa. He likes them out with the flow of the offense except for that to happen. He needs unselfish plan movement. An unselfish bull may because you know they don't run double staggers. the threes. the snow walked home. Sibito does he gets the bullying sinus driving kick so they just use them on delay actions and i think giving him those options you know that. God's kind of other quickly. Excellent barrett until connect with bulldogs bullock bags. Condos journeyman of the right words. But he's he's giving randall these cuts and he's saying you need to use them to be your best of bats. The may the key thing is what's whereas last jam in the upper. The article david fidel colors for it was fire. They said well why you just running isolation he said something like while houston 'isolation. You don't have a problem for me. That was the issue with rondo last year. Probably for his whole career. He's been seen as this kind of sick my mismatch but actually figure those pursuits as around him. He's but coaches around him and it's opened up his game. He knows he needs to lean on his teammates. And i think pod is typically looking at a star a sick man. I don't think he's a stop if you put your top phone saito in. And he is the best player on the team. And i think because he's being treated like that that's kind of why we're saying the improvement. Yeah no i think. That's a great point and some highlighted as well as some of the stuck out to me in the last couple of games and watching is just his ability from the mid range has been ridiculous. he's always been a pretty like right. Around average to sometimes slightly above average mid range shooter. He's been shooting forty six percent for mid this year which is not elite in terms of somebody who can carry offense in late shot clock. He's been fantastic with that. I mean he's like it's just above the free throw line he dribbles into its knocked down from there and i think that's been a real boon for what he's doing but also the the three point shot as as we mentioned as well. I mean his career high before this was thirty. Four percent shooting well above league average right now at forty two. I think you we. We talked about this on our group chat one like the the ultimate goal group chat. I think it's mentioned on the premium spot at least every other podcasts but Looking at three point shooting. That's what's really opened up a lot for him and also just for the offense in general because a lot of them not all unassisted but he's doing some stuff just creating his own shot. But i think it's important to highlight. I mean how sustainable do you think this is I think the the thing is looking at career highs just from frame that long meds has shown it is hard to gauge in the system. Because obviously if he's got the show mid range shots he's got mitt to robinson on the islands and while duncan isn't really the best basing if you're trying to get floats in mid range because you have the space but the long man. His career high before this year was forte. But that was in house while he was on the lakers are by his high school in our percent. Nine percent higher from long made and as you mentioned about nine ten percent are from three. So it's really. I'm gonna call out answering this question. Like wouldn't be able to answer until i see next year which probably tells me. I don't know how sustainable it is is while obviously the cuts isn't that helps within. Don't be in a bowl stalker. The concert amore open because teams having to double him. You know we'll get to a point. You know what. Julius rondos battery was so we can kind of ci off of him. Melissa with and after twin we'll see. How many adjustments. This names and stuff go the i would buy it. I always stay in the middle. I don't think he's a forty two percent pre point shooter on the not bad volume is and high volume. That's highly karlan. Towns shoots in the ship. So i'm not buying that sticking a kubota. The long mid range sticking up in the intensity get so good at that made fruitful movement and they got the elctions off of him. Just sort of keep the offense running and stops the black hole that he has been in the past. Yeah yeah definitely. I think those are good points. And i are something that i've wondered a lot about two and some of the guys that will talk on here later on about because one of the big improvements for a lot of guys as ben their ability to shoot from long range and we've just seen overall in the season and in the bubble is while the boon of three point shooting and how that is kind of with empty arenas or mostly on theory. Now that is really adjusted. How offenses are able to space and it. It just brings up a lot of questions for me. Of what is this gonna look like when arenas are back to full capacity sometime. I know that's one of my pet projects. I'm interested to see how that plays out. Because i do wonder if we're kind of in for a a big statistical drop next year. Maybe it is here to stay but at the same time. I think it's been so much of an outlier not really. I'm not really sure what to think about it. Yeah i i expect the I spent people's numbers to go down. You know i'm prey on. I just think like you know. Rhonda david times. You but obviously standby gundy's orleans. Pelicans run a defense. Whether allowing freeze on those defenses off work anymore which is why this. She has to me to gauge coaching plan. Performance is really hard on the topic of. I'm gonna you could say well. They need to get rid of them because they've been awful but fantas is approach. Might work when things about to normal how we might be done. Menstrual gold new genius defensive game from new orleans This is going to be similar with randall. Because if the numbers dipped slay people can say well. He actually is what we always fully was. He just had one outlines year is ready. It's just a tough to gauge. It's been a tough season to evaluate on the hull. Which is the most improved player. Award is difficult because you know. How long does it stay. How long you know all these places. Stable is not something that should come into the award. Should we saw go. Well yeah is he just shoots in so normal power for his outlawed by any of this it can for him. So should that go into the award. That's another another question. Yeah no that's a great point. And i mean can flow right into norman like you. I think it's funny looking at things. Because what i in watching him obviously. I don't watch every single toronto game but In washington this year the basing his changes just consistency. I mean he's always been able to put together stretches like this for ten or fifteen games and then he has just an absolutely terrible five. Ten game stretch afterwards. He's been one of the most up and down players in the league In throughout his career honestly and now i mean he's been absolutely lights out and he's been a large reason for why toronto has been able to be on this fantastic run prior to this five game skid. I mean there were fifteen and seven in a. I think after the new year before hitting the stretch and i mean he's a huge part of it but now i mean all my all my friends that i know in toronto who cover the team or like no they should definitely be looking to move him in training but at the same time i mean. He is their offense for large stretches But i agree. I mean it's it's mostly unsustainable because a lot of stuff you've just been an awesome play finisher and he can greet his shop but it's not like he's doing i mean he's not quite at jordan clarkson level like joined clarkson's doing a ton of stuff grading his shot and i buy. That is more sustainable. We saw that last year. And spend a little bit heightened this year obviously But it's just interesting to see how this is playing out. But overall i mean i have been really impressed with pal except defensively still a bit hit and miss especially in their system but interestingly because his points per schultz end only stipend macoutes last year. You know and it's a denied just found very interesting when those kinds of research pro because you know the narrative shifts did last year or may not follow route to. Twitter is good full some drama. I think hell yesterday. Yeah that's that's just seized on sides but the narrative last year is that you know he was you know the the more respective guys in photo style. We need to get rid of him. You know he should be number tation. Terrace davis was obviously planned while last year and Some people wanted his minutes increased malachi. Flynn share who you know. They should be built around. Gaza dog definitely sell. High on powell. I would do it twice. I think he's he's guy. Though i think of anyone expecting him to be some kind of move most improved player candidate for that team. I think that living on another planet you're looking at a guy you've forget this shea. Forty one percent last year forty one percent the of this is just the his is shooter. You know and i'm not unexpected them to develop any other skills. Yeah yeah i would agree with that. And i think like you mentioned just kind of crazy looking at splits realizing hey i mean it's not. It's not necessarily that different. I think he's been getting to the line a little bit more than than prior par. That's just an increasing role but it's different and it brings up another great tangent to like like three point shooting in how that might go down. I'm really interested to see how front offices approached the offseason. How much do they factor in like. Okay yet norman palace having this fantastic year you look at. I don't wanna give away any names for guys we're gonna talk about in the future but like i mean even just looking at julius randle like how do the knicks approach this. I think like we talked about. I think it's a little bit more sustainable. Because he has a lot of. It's been the position that he's he's been put in and he's been able to obviously performing walnut. But i think i buy that more than necessary necessarily just going off of shooting improvement. So that could. I mean we could see some some really interesting contracts coming out of that. Come out of that. The summer percent interest to save teams. That have these guys sell high. Nba teams in. This is why the other side again comes in the human element because you can't just go while he's playing well. He's an asset less so high because they all people as well you go vessel. No good look see the isaiah thomas stuff kind of is there's wellspring stone mind that was that was cut froze the business condemn now in the grand scheme of things they were right. They were right to do because he's not performed. Since obviously that can be tough to sell two players. Have us kind of how you behave. So that's the other side of that. But i'm entrust c. Which a frontal system try and sell high on some of these guys. Yeah definitely so who's Who's one of the first players on your list that you'd want to bring up Not been impressed by a coupla guys this year. Generally con of mine are a bit more or less failed. I've been really impressed. Obviously inaugurate shot. We took rocket poet junior alone. He's obviously a guy that i've been very high on since he was a usa blend. Go to team around. Mvm failed but was impressed. Me since he got back off the space crisis the playmaking with for me not know. Mba level big man on the roster. No disrespect to justice bomb formally. The timberwolves never actually played for us relief but I've been extremely impressed by from his playmaking and when he gets christie back could take the next level because what are some of the best role gravity and just general fluidity on the inside in the league. You know you've probably been exposed to kp pj because of group job. Oh yeah slide. J. fan club in that. It is honestly. yeah no. it's so first of all anybody go read a our guy. Tim ross's The era like this massive piece on kevin for junior was really really fun. read decide note on him. I mean just watching. I watched the rockets game yesterday. Which was kind of a slog to get through to be completely honest. There were down by thirty at one point almost but what he's doing like you mentioned the space creation. It's insane the amount of space in creates a step back or just to sidestep is is ridiculous. I mean you look at a guy like he's obviously very different from james harden but similar in terms of the amount of space that they create do in very different ways but porter's handle is so advanced and his body is so in tune with doing it. It's it's kind of funny. Because i think one of the things that as learn more about understanding how to look for certain things like i'm still trying to learn more about playmaking in ball handling but one of the things that's always interesting to me is like looking at victory depot. In the way that things have changed for him with his handle Since his injury. I mean his is largest reason for why has handle and he's at issues with turnovers since i've been watching him and he's come back is because his legs aren't moving at the same speed or just slightly off in terms of the motion from what they used to be and his hand was just not used to that. You oftentimes will come from a left cross and his bank right into his knee. Because he's i mean he he's still not caught up in and used to having his. I mean it's like his body's working two different planes emotion almost at times so point being i mean there are guys who can have supreme athleticism fantastic ball handling but if you can't mesh the two it's very difficult like there are guys who are great drivers like bring up calvin johnson johnson fantastic driver. But he really doesn't have that great of a handle and kevin porter jr. has both I agree on the playmaking as well. He was making some passes last night. And in recent games that have been extremely impressive. And i think a lot of people will look at the raw fish and say well. It's not that great. But i think you bring up the fact like what he's doing right now. I am going from like when i was watching him in cleveland. I thought oh this will be a fun. Secondary ball handler. I think he's going to be able to do some things. Maybe he gets looks to run bench units and watching them in houston. I mean. i don't know if you've had similar thoughts. But i'm of the mind that he should get. I mean i would not erase it from my mind that he could be a primary ball handler at some point. Maybe not In terms of playmaking. But he's close. I mean some of the things that he's flashing have been extremely impressive to me with that. You know kind of obviously. I was speeds plum someone so vastly recently was his sailing. Actually someone you know in. The industry doesn't always chance to watch guys on team club raucous and he said well she'll sailing and i said so of ao nine time. All-star was really taken aback by basic guy. Take take my word things. I just said six six and some of the moves. He's gone another thing. He does really well This is something for guide. Pd web go. He can kind of explode off a low stance luka doncic. Does it very well where he can turn post position into short mid range position into a layup and that's a skill the no law guys master because a lot guys jabalia someone shooting the law. Only drains you sales because then they'll athletic enough to make a layup. The his moves on the syria are Quite ridiculous is powerful. But the playmaking won't makes me leave because we have volume scores. Come and go in the league you know we. We are muhammad. who you'll know about. He was in college ridiculous score Because he was bigger and stronger than everyone else but no playmate can say didn't ceiling. Kp jazz ninety eight percents all right now. Assist to usage he is assisting is assist percentage ninety seven percents. I'll say that can say more about the rockets. Lack of ball handlers. But this is a guy who has flashing as league level playmaking when this shot stocks to get back to what you will. They will under percent as he gets back. You know you're looking at god's mayors multiple most. oh yeah. I would agree and hopefully. He's i'm glad that he went to houston because In talking to some people they have as much as the the organization themselves not the not the staff. But thomann for tita socks john lucas on the staffs. Fantastic of what i know. Stephen styles is great So hopefully a really great place for these able to keep his mind right and focus on being kevin porter because that's what everybody wants form also side not thought of kenyon martin junior so far. Obviously not when we're talking about with most improved player but just the initial thoughts. Because i kind of liked him yesterday. Obviously really under is like a roll man but reminds me a lot of their jones junior. Yeah i think he seems to be that of range. Athletic defender without the kind of offensive game. Over then lopes. I believe. I haven't seen the game from last night. We just went to bed. My tongue was like. Oh my god can you imagine what was that. There was some real play. The i really should've ends up. He did something it was insulting. He's one of those places and the like the defense the offense. He's probably gonna be restricted announced so loved because like kp jazz. They'll find that doesn't always goes his kp. J. will find any bills chemistry in own sobek. A rogue. I like jay. Sean says well. I know he's bit more experience. The most most rookies. But he's His screen defense incredible like he. Does this move where he will actually solve back into the screener. Use them as a platform to lightly ground. I don't see that often for defensive plans but he's him and kenya that they go. You know it's a shame. Petit does suck. And i think he's a big reason. Why they've got this record butts. They've actually go apprai- ca- chest of a you know they seem to be acquired players proce- well of the moldovan. Yeah yeah. I think given the hand that they were dealt. I've really liked what rafael stone has done. So far i agree on jay sean tate. I mean he's from ohio not too far from me and so i. He's been on my radar for a while Like you mentioned with the defense. I mean one of just the most first child offenders in the nba. And he's he's made david lobau look like not like a bad defender but he makes i mean dave in wa was fantastic and i love watching david. And he's like somehow even more physical and even more capable of some of the stuff he's doing defensively than david uaba which is saying a lot and like you mentioned like a i. I haven't heard anybody else. Highlight what he does on on ball screens. Like it's almost like. I don't know how much american football you watch. I don't i don't really watch anymore. kind of like how defensive end a like one of the one of the techniques smaller defensive and they want you to get if you can get inside leverage on somebody and spin out. That's one of the easier not easier. I mean it's still difficult but it's one of the ways you can kind of abuse tackle if if their arms are long and you can get inside them and take kind of does like the inverse of that obviously without using his arms but it's it made more sense in my head with analogy but it's it's what i'm looking at it. I i wanna see shot fall more. But i like his ability as a driver and i think there's a lot there in terms of handled to that that he can work on. You always flash that at ohio state. He played some point. They're a little bit but Yeah i agree. I'm excited for what the rocks. Soon being the future. And i really hope stephen silas gets gets a long time because this year has been the year from hell for the rockets another player. I want to throw at you just to talk about for a minute. Because he's not going to be talked about in terms of most improved player more in terms of mvp currently my lead for mvp. And that's nicole yokich. What have you thought in terms of is just total shifts in scoring like. I think that's been it's not the same as Like like you mentioned gay. Pj like a young player developing the way that he is in getting more on ball wraps but with yokich like he's gone from a guy who was largely like pass. I obviously could be a score. But he's always kind of reluctant reluctant to do it. And now he has just been. I mean without him taking this leap in scoring denver's probably in the back end of the playoff rotation for for the west and they are right now. I mean the But they would certainly be quite a few more games down without his individuals scoring prowess he looks In the aggression as he's seems lighter more fluid this you say that gives him a license to be more aggressive. The way he was built last year he could have been as aggressive seventy cents. I don't know if he would gone to his spouse quickly enough But you know michael malone says vaccine and does a great job just having not combs the movement around him haven't read and react yokich processes the read so quickly and i think he's all he's under the right coach who and kind of understand how to use a player like him. I kind of offenders lost more old. School coaches would really struggle. They would just kind of use them at the elbow time but they use his passing grafitti from everywhere. But he's jackson frank row gray piece on him and he just basically hi how he's just more fluid and get into with spots often. That's the other side of being more aggressive. It's have you got the tools to be aggressive. That was always the thing with aggregates. People would say you just switch more. He's go panhandle to attack which is why he ends up with the mid range north yokich. He's just looks like or on his feet. And i think it's downright scary. I mean i watched the denver game earlier in the year when he wasn't playing like not against dallas thousand destroyed the dog. I didn't think that would made the playoffs Devon they will be making the playoffs. Howdy no taken this job. Because their defense is really. It's improved a little bit lately but it's very easy to exploit if you've got a good pass boyscout which most playoff teams do so. I think that he did that though. For shootouts right now. I don't see he's given them the platform to do that. Yeah the i totally agree. i think. One of the underrated part about him is just talking about his quickness like he. Is you when you look at him. You don't necessarily expect witness. You don't really expect quickness out of anyone who's seven feet tall but He's really good. I it just has fantastic footwork. Some of the best foot work in the league but he gets to a spots while like you're mentioning. Who is another player that you would want to bring up. This is very under the radar We're here for grit grit and granular slate grit and grind but for booms impressed with nazri. This year i love to see. Not many people are watching. Tipples games. he was he was undrafted. He's one of the better draft pledged to come out the league. Maybe in the entire time of being of coveted what you will forget as you often get defensive specialist who goes onto the rada oil. You'll get like a freak shoots. Like duncan robinson who kind of you know people. Maybe didn't look out his. Not so he does. Teams love lovato's niceness year The main differences point specialists. I'm just out the efficiencies. Gone up and walks. Fueled is the social mid range. Because he's he's a very very fluid guy. He's working ballots for me is some of the best i've seen from any big Glides e glides to the hoop and obviously because even shoe yes he does gonna get a close but the point where he doesn't even need to close out. Sometimes you know he just kind of glide his way past people He's a really unique weapon. I've not you know. I always i like player. Called generally the the only guy or can think of it is no good call because this blah day was a lot bigger than him. But i've in terms of someone dot kind of size. Who could you would think would be able to move like that. I'd kind of always surprises you of it. That's kind of. He reminds me. Because i love you. Know old soccer kings tape his moves on the inside and just his way to get shots off from possible. Angles it a. He has been extremely impressive. Goes roses keeps finding these guys seemingly out of nowhere which is why most wolves finds really believe in what he's doing but it's let's highlight plays out. There's no one watches the timberwolves anyway. But if you mentioned in symbols bake be calm each sounds three than he just blows me away with some of the stuff he can do. Yeah i would totally agree i. I've always enjoyed him. I'm not gonna lie. I think the wolves probably my top ten teams. Watch this year Just in terms of games. I've washed from them because they're fascinating to me. You you mean dane. More did a pod about a month ago talking about where the teams at. And i still just so enamored with some of the guys on the roster like you mentioned i think obviously the immediate outlook and where the team is right. Now is not pretty the worst the currently. But i just look up and down the rostrum. There are so many guys who stand outs to me. That i enjoy nozzles. One of them like the fact that he was many. When i wash lsu surprise that he ended up going undrafted. And i think what's most remarkable like you're mentioning. The handled mies is crazy. Good for someone his size and he. It's not just that he has a handle but he moves well like you're mentioning like he's great attacking closeouts and like again. You mentioned you. He doesn't even have to. I'm watching game. I can't remember who. They played two days ago right now. But i know when i was watching it like he took somebody off the dribble from from the perimeter without even without even needing the close out. He does a lot of things that i really like. What have you seen. I know they ran it for the first time but now that they started playing a little bit more zone under chris finch they ran gnaws and cats get on the court and i actually really liked it for what it can do offensively and also just getting cat to play more of the four on defense. I think it's not something that you can run every down but what are you. What have you seen any of those minnesota. Did you like them. I i know. I'm watching the lakers game from yesterday later tonight. I'm hoping to see more of those minutes. But he's Won't finish it down since he's come consumed is was very rigid with his rotations and his own. See just everything he did. The defense was always the same every night. The offense was disabled finches. Come in and gone with not making the playoffs and the game was doing well enough for us to stick with them. He's experiment to the law. And i thank you know bringing cats. The to the level of the screen is kind of help and nas. I'm higher on his defensive ceiling. The most i think finches to just based on the way he's using him It's a variety of rose. If you'll not high on someone's defense she wouldn't use them in a variety of coverages. You would just say you can run. Drop every play counter. Not you just kind of leave them to it but not those nice comments good because you know the size that you know. We've not really seen enough. Plays rough both of them yet. You can do a lot with them. You can run them and hold you do have high low of see they've both got rascals. So that's something. I explored the show to medium-term as evidence any of too many teams who can throw out two bigs on offense without kind of skill set of teams ago two bigs. It'll be like the whole you've got to read brought out of culpa and capello when the nuggets she's proud yo kitchen plumlee plum knees. You'll kind of handle guy and yokich of diesel the scoring. Well these guys can both school and nothing for a gala finch who has a law success with big men. I think it's gonna be something he's gonna continue to explore that showtime i think also the wolves each game the xs and os again more diverse. Very simple at first but now is city starting to see him getting a little bit more comfortable guys can do. Obviously that's something. I think would be really interesting as leaks. Go going smoke hookah proud to big. Magma can actually be an advantage no definitely a great point. And i'm interested to see what will do there and i agree. It's it's a little bit. I don't wanna say a frustrating but disheartening in some ways to see how much it's changed Just in the short time with french there for the positive. And how little. Change with ryan With ryan saunders. There and it was a tough tough place overall. But it's definitely been for the best and they're still out there in terms of david vanterpool being passed over. That could be brought up but Overall i was really impressed with nausea. And i've enjoyed him for a while too. I agree a lot of people are not high on him defensively. I think it's tough because he's not like an elite level rim protector. Anything because he doesn't have quite the size or length If you put him in the league five or ten years ago he's more of a twitter at the four or five than than a true five. But i think just feed her a little bit more mobile than people give him credit for and i think he's good enough positioning wise that he's gonna be okay defensively if you can you know he's not terrible of fouling. But i think he's going to have to improve on that as well but i agree. I'm really excited for him. Moving forward another player. Wanna bring up. I know you. And i want to talk about a million memphis grizzlies. And there's good reason for it. I want to talk about the anthony. Melton for second because he is really putting together. I think an awesome year. I know that there's still a lot there that that needs like he's he's still incredibly raw as an offensive player But he's doing stuff as a three point shooter. That has been mind blowing to me. Because last year i mean he really was not much of a spacer whatsoever. You don't really trust them for mid range did not really trust from three either last year and now he's taking things you know behind screens off the dribble like it's not just catching shoot threes. So while i don't think he's going to be a forty percent three point shooter for his career. He's doing a lot of stuff that i'm confident in moving forward even if the number goes down a little bit because he's showing real confidence in gunning from deep and has opened up a law for him and i actually think that you could maybe warrant playing more minutes in memphis but they just have so many guys. It's hard to get more. But i've been really impressed with him. And that's been such huge development shooting forty one percent from three almost four times per game right now just been fantastic. Yes mellon is like even without choosing he was a valuable player. I have him as possibly the best defensive. God the league He's not no name people know enough about make That's memphis are going to be that team unless we really see. Jaw turned into a title. Fifteen player. john thinking well they're going to be esteem. You flies under the radar just because it away. They play unless you really appreciate the fundamentals of the game and all team you. Would you would tune into a game with melton this year A not buying that. The mid range will stick so his mid range numbers last year along mid twenty nine percent. He's actually double that to fifty eight. Which is done. See that when you're looking for stocks very often one year of the three main kind of again. I'm gonna be rigged diplomatic by out expected so sarah thirty five thirty six and with his defense. That's that's good enough and the consequent memphis grizzlies. Talking about them out floats as they take. You know it's a ridiculous amount and you know he can add those as well. He's not one of that. Regular flow is. Oh say that this kind of thing with his teams. They just seem to have some kind of rica play development system in place because pretty much older that guys from laminar. I watched them a lot last year and the now if was the job mariah carey them wistful back against it. No successfully because people. Just think of styles actually. This was a team carried by high flow road. Pleasant valley was to get this year. Mellon is one of many who is improved across the bulga. He's gonna last year. He was ready on the court. Because you know you don't put thanks and free punch on the end of the game especially when joel ready struggles consistently scoring three levels. Economic thirty five percent hill closed and those teams of State the shop. They might regrets it. Because he's not taking easy schultz's dog is playing with. Lebron is just got wide. Open corner frees. He's you know he's actually taking few assisted threes than he did last year. And break up as well. You know it's not high level shot creation but there's enough there that you kind of think maybe this guy's a complete negative on offense. Yeah i think what i'm looking forward to. Is it what you can do. More in terms of a pick and roll ball handler. I don't think is visions. Anything ridiculous. But i think if you can become more of a secondary action guy He does a lot in terms of being out the bench unit. Like i think also to to bring up like. They're the only team. Other than i think the bulls in the league who can run an all bench lineup. And i'm confident that they can hang with starters like they have their on. Melton thomas jones and desmond bain with brandon clark xavier tillman and that is one of my favorite line of watching the league. The shot creation is like not really there they can get a lotta sat place because they're all very smart passers budgets in terms of what they do. Defensively is like ridiculous. Man posted a bunch of clips of them last week and like the the anthony melton guarding bronze for that series when they played the wizards two games in a row and he top locked him for most game. It was actually. I mean it was fantastic. Because he's so good at even with his back turned he's really good at keeping his head turned and really tracking the ball. Well that team overall i i. I love some their role players Who would you want to bring up from the grizzlies. Snow popular guy The grayson allen has been really good. this year. mm-hmm i. We don't get cold responsible over rare by the understanding he Liked to trip people up or something like that. We don't get over here not allowed that he's He's been good and he's the guy used for that plant about him because he's actually you know we know he's good shoots he was to even a utah believing concerto self yet. Thank six from three of these in the forties now which was considerably Is a guy that that's why don't you just saying it. The same stephen does have that sort of. Jj radic tight. Play the way he's used. They use laws or ricky advair actions with a burning and most screens at the top up. He's actually kind of developed. A little bit playmaker nano stands out there. He's going to be prime. John stott timber. The thing for me is if spark shoots his calm playmate act so they will get run off the coal at the highest levels and against the best teams. Because if you come close outs and keep the motion moving a well teams. They're gonna they're gonna close out without outcomes but he's shown a little bit of the style dot yet assist to usage is gone up with our offense may because the thing i like about what you memphis's people play with discipline on this team. You watch them very rarely. Will you go. Unless it's dillon brooks doug every started on any of the guys. You'll never go. That was a really bad shot. That was a stupid play. You'll think oh yeah you know. I think that was the right show of the play grayson kind of fits into that because he just keeps the bolt moving I've been really really oppress watching the michelle. Say to my points. Al get reminded that he's not the most popular guy for guys low usage. His playmaking surprised the efficient. I just think again will tell you the jenkins's dumb st in the he's built a team that the players are improving each year. And if enough what. They're banking on because the toxic as they dropped they don't drafting guys with high ceilings xavi itself as much as i joined. I don't know how much batteries gonna get to me. They kind of. They're already good blaze. I dunno skills. They're going to add to take to be so stars. But that's because they bind them improving slowly going alongside job jar. Josh you do. I've seen she though it's is a roster construction built for now and you know we'll go to is play development side of it and it's not an accident in a because if this if grayson allen on any of team i'd go well it could be an outline but what is happening other players on the team. I already buy into doing. Yeah no. I fully agree with that. He has been impressive in terms of starting to do more stuff with the ball in his hands and running plays and i really liked the point. You bring up about spot up shooters who cannot play. Make you run off the court. Because i think that's a really good point to bring up if you can't pass the ball or you can't if you can't really create offense outside of your own your own shot that that you're getting from somebody else. It's very difficult to stay on the court in high leverage moments. That's a great point The next player that. I want to talk about from memphis who i know. You have on your list as well as someone who. I've loves watching this these. I've always really enjoyed Especially when he was with the spurs to kyle. Anderson has been really really impressive to me this year before i get in on anything. What if what if you really been impressed by from him this year. I've been impressed surprise. Because i knew his usage was going to go up his jared. Snow not there And they obviously expected john maranto stagnated. But i think the reputation around him last year. It was again. He carried this team. So i expected to kind of play the same but maybe be received for me which so based on the bible reading is what would happen. Kind of there was a vacuum net. Someone else to get use it himself seeking to be him because he's efficient. He's surprise me with how he's justified thought usage so you if sa- last year is fourteen point six which may if you're in the low teens. I'm saying you're spot guy who bohannon does a bit jumped to twenty which you've kind of say well. Yeah i running someplace that. Not just coming off. A pin down drive in their actually being assigned to rump. Passo the offense. It's been you know. He's been more efficient from place on the court notably again mid range of his interest and premiums every god we've spoke about today improved for mid range Which is interesting. Because you know will stick with went found in stadiums now. That's that's not really been. The chief reason for his improvement is obviously three point. Bowl is interesting. i've always talked about. We have come to the mid range of this is not something. That's going to stick because the league was kind of moving away from that shop and stadiums slo mo has just been generally a much more efficient scorer and obviously that's that needs to come hand-in-hand with usage because if you don't pressuring guy with david with your offense does matter how it'll pass or play you know we know he's a good pass. We know he makes the right rates like everyone on. The team does about dental brooks. Yeah that's that's that's what they talk it. These guys who just make solid fundamental place. They'll of sets that not anything special By then they don't bad but they're not like utah's alvin gentry's where way allow all gone. Never seen that. Let's load screen. It's just kind of simple designs. Put guys like slow boats highest. They just they know it's been so that's a soul believe why undescended msa to justify this usage is because he makes the right place but the shooting numbers like every we spoken about today. They've got up and it just changes opens up more go for them. Yeah exactly. And i think i'm really interested to see if things stick with his his shop because he went from being. I mean he's taking more more threes this season than did like the first his entire time in san antonio pretty much so let's four seasons. I mean it's been ridiculous. I think he took his his highland street took eighty five threes last year. And he's taken already almost double that this year in half the games What's been different is. He's incr- like he sped up shot. He went from having like a largely to motion. Shot to sometimes. It looks like a little herky-jerky still because that's his game and he has. I think he has a seven foot three wings bands. Something like that like so his arm ridiculously long. Which makes it harder to get your shot off but He's sped up his release and looked so much better. And you just more confident taking it. So i think that's something that that i look at it that concrete like i think that it as long as he doesn't think shot like that's something that i can say. Okay well that's your stay. I don't know if he's going to be a his tailed off a little bit after the all star break is still shooting right around the average from three but i agree and it's just funny. I mean he went from being a guy last year who i thought was kind of like a spot starter and i was wondering okay. When is justice winslow. When justice winslow comes back. He's gonna take over the starting spot and now part of it is because justice winslow's offense still coming along coming back from having such a long way off but i mean kyle anderson legit plus starter now in my mind like one of the better starting small forward who isn't a a wing initiator in my mind. Yeah i would agree with. I was kinda fell. He was like a high level bench guy against a limited the united. Because the rally is. If you're going to go on account shoot you go to be bringing some kind of at best of sleep. You know this noise game. He is a shortly. I mean if you're talking about short mid range which says there's usually the saw cut her more limited play his always been high since his rookie. A high behi- preconceived from show mid range. That's his game. But obviously the shooting for me is was kind of to demand because it is a great theory that someone without skillset is a nice starts epa yukon. Shoot some. it's difficult to figure out unless you live. Kgo elite burst or lead defense Yeah he's just a testament to memphis. These guys just make steady improvements and it's enough for me with the injuries but certainly within relief goal in that second best player is out on the me that i best plan be. Beauty shoe is kind of job around his floats and for me. It got a team that fits into the. You would think not going to be near the playoffs that ryan and amongst it must because they go. These high flow role plays just bring certain things to certain areas of the cohen allowed to float. Yeah yeah i one hundred percent agree and he has probably the slowest euro step of all time. But it seems to really throw people off and i just i enjoy watching his game so much. He's such a fun player. Who's another play that you'd want to bring up. I think the last one. I want to bring out by games one. You mentioned Garland i mean. I'll say i've got some so strong opinions. On the way the the cogs using him this seems to be the theme of tabby bickerstaff teams way. He kind of incomes any his all. You know the leak. Shoot too many threes and you know going to run it my way. And that's great. That's great when darius gallons hope point of being drafted his highs he was was the shooting gravity. We knew count them wasn't going to be a guy who go to the revlon. Now he's getting a don't think he's got more this year. Just wanna chat badly free percent more of a shot so that out snow. It's not a huge number of. He's he's shooting more efficiently there but he is a shing. Ford says three a does look to have more moves on the inside this year to me. it got known early burst guy but he's he looks like he's a little bit. These got more of a plan when he gets on the area again. He's still going to be one of those high short mid range shot guys but infamies only shoots in thirty one percent of his attempts from three. And especially when you when you go colin sexton who is humble god that should theoretically give garlan the opportunity to keep plan of bull snow getting the attempts and thus wordy mind boggling to be. He has good center. We want to play half court but it's not even about the frequent show you know. I wrote my symbols go. I don't like the teams just go. We're going to shoot threes. If you don't go the personnel. Be alkyl the personnel. What garland does. He's a great shooter. He could she off move when the not will open up the plate making them when he starts hitting the shelves but in the cavs are really brutal watch even when they start the season. Five in our own. They below joe. You're to watch the cavs. Not what's not just. I'd come away almost drained watching them. I i know that injuries but just the way they played a full. You know this isn't. This is a good basketball. This is an identity being enforced opponent team. That's not a great usage of what they've gone at all. Yeah i would agree with that. I really liked what they did. Defensively early and i've liked it better now with larry nance when junior back as well and drummed out because i was a large part for why they faltered in the middle of the season. But offensively right. I mean you're you're spot on for me. Washing them run stuff. Offensively is like watching them. Like imagining like a somebody sends a tank back through time. And the i mean the people start throwing rocks at the tank when it goes back until like the twelve hundreds that. That's how i envision their offense. It's like well maybe if we keep throwing enough rocks will break through the side of your titanium titanium plates well for the most part that doesn't work and it like you mentioned it worked for like the first five games this season because the defense was good enough but now believe it or not we have one hundred five millimeter gun in our tank and you have rocks so it kind of changes the calculus little bit they run they run a lot princeton chan which is like way you get the bigger the top of the kenya. I've come off them but you definitely would seem to play at. The start of the year is a play with drum and got the ball at the elbow and literally the entire possession but he just not comes around him and they ended up basically. Nothing happened twenty seconds and his shock brick for mid range. I'm not non-trade from guy. Everyone's rosen thought players for us know on him that's all the goats and stuff because he's got the bold. The design of a channel is to have back cutters. They just weren't that you know that there's no that this happened at memphis were bickerstaff to where he was. I remember reading colonia flake. He said on mile fence is about you know. I think the way to use was a unless he likes. Basically that was his word spontaneous cutting. That's what he likes. He likes the bull to be in the hands of the bigs pulling the opposition. Big out and then you have cutters but this got a little bit more regimented than that. Because you'll waiting for things on what's going to happen. Spontaneous plays needs to be a response to defensive breakdowns. You're not creating any defensive breakdowns. If you've got the right off the movement so the cavs a big stathis general good break for stray ball and especially when you go like gallon to get to repeat. We know he's not going to be an elite guy getting to the rim. But we know these probably going to be a full except frequent show if his career on pretty good volume when you got to use it properly. Don't try in doe. Tried to the midst of jason quedo gary payton from the nineties get getting planes with strengths. Does my what you think of the direction of the league. You need to optimize your guys infamy. The cavs of failed to do wish he'd landed somewhere else. Yeah yeah i would agree with that. I'm hopeful that things will will change up with that but all's mainly it's been it's been a very herky-jerky fit but i'm just happy for him because he's looked so good this year. I had a lot of concerns last year. So last player that i want to talk about for read out here. I have a whole list of guys. But you know i think. A lot of them have been hyped. Nationally one guy who stands out to me a lot and part of. That's because i'm still writing that piece on spurs That actually had a random random like completely empty avatar count Added me ask for spurs piece. Was that i was like. I don't know who you are but it's coming sometime soon. So the pressures on. But there's johnson murray has been special to me this year and not not for the defense. I always loved the defense. But he's really shown. More offensively. This year than than i expected or i guess i should say i was hopeful for but i wasn't sure it would happen. He went from being one of the most maddening. Frustrated drivers to watch last year in terms of like people talk about calvin johnson and the way that he drives into defense in like watching john last year he would just fling himself into three guys at the rim and he did not finish wealth rin at all last year shop fifty five percent there. He had one of the lower drive Drive to assist rates because he was not great at passing out of drives. And that's what's really changed for him. This year. I mean he's gotten better as a shooter like he's taking a lot more shots from three like obviously shot a little bit above the average last year. So some people. If you aren't necessarily watching the games you would say well. He's taking more threes. But he's not making them and i mean he was only taking open threes last year so now he's taking things off the dribble he's taking things that are higher contested. He still been really good for mid range. But what's been different. I mean he's shooting eight percent higher at the rim and he's been fantastic and just slowing down because he's always been pretty bercy with his ability to get to the room but now he's been a lot better at just slowing down realizing. Hey i'm driving. Right into one of the better protectors in the game or i know helps coming from the other side so i can't really get a good good clean. Attempt up is way better passing out. His his turnover rate has gone way down stunning nine percent. This year actually really good for somebody handling as much as he is. He still not really the point guard. Because the marta. Rosen has been just fantastic for them in terms of what he's doing playmaking wise but Him slowing down in terms of what he's doing driving wise has been huge and not something that necessarily has been super a highly talked about. I've been just impressed with overall. And i have questions about what what he might be moving forward and what he could get to i when i looked him out to stops of stuck out to me as as you so said that written officiency and lowered of section and they go hand in hand because it's mayfield finishing high at the ramos woman to scenarios number one you'll wide open of the rim all the time so for example. If you'll playing a big mom with the steph klay warriors of kosher guns go higher because you're going to be wide open all the time but obviously with a lead. God that's not the case he's playing more controlled will say that. The emergence of the spurs wings is probably helped with that last year. I believe needs to chat about ten. They still used older at the four noble sleep. If you'll try to drive as much as i love lamarcus is one of my favorite place. Come the way. He plays the game but not always easy to really process. We arranged when you haven't got ultimately spacing. But i think this year. He's disposed know they just running a nice motion. Offense is simple but it helps. You can just see the having kelder long nail those guys lucas. A moment just looked decent all that most of them are defensive end but they call guys now who i think. I think the roster fits with growth plays. Now if when you've still got lamarcus aldridge twenty hot to grow as a god because it seems trying to win now but this just seems to be more of a direction with the share. That's why the records better. I think with regards to what could become. I think i don't think he's advocates score. God you know it was expected to be around the so of if percents all important specialties. But he makes up for that by making the right places pasta now and the defense is obviously in a he's He's extremely disruptive mothers. And i think his offense for defender not being negative on offense. They need to not say the buller with us. The number one. forget shooting. Forget efficiency if you turn the ball over law that that's going to be a problem but he's obviously worked really hard on. I think that's testament to gregg popovich and his coaching staff because they just continued to cause the turnovers must've driven pot especially because his philosophy is guard of. Don't send us will. They've always been known for their goal. Was been a high low in the league turnovers. But obviously they've they just they they they words and i think this guy. I don't think he's going to star on if that was one of your questions by the radio. It's embarked yet. He's he's taking the right steps. I just don't know what the next step is. And if there is going to be a next up with him yeah no. There's a good point. And i think he's somebody who i look at I would agree. I don't necessarily think he's going to be an all star. Maybe is a guy who There's maybe a week class of all stars one time. And that's he's a week player but just in terms of the way that most people tend to view all star like unless he has a crazy outlier shooting your some some massive development. We don't really foresee. I don't think he's the guy who makes an all star team but crazy things happen But ultimately yeah. I think he's My question is whether or not you can get to being a facsimile of elite ball handler. And i think that's something. I'm writing on or not. I think i know how. I'm writing on that In terms of like just the way that the spurs were building their roster with having so many guys who are capable of being ball handlers. Not just in terms of like actually running the offense because they don't really have a true primary But can they create some sort of primary level offense by having four guys on the court at any point. Yaacob south there as well Who are capable of running actions. And i think that's part of what you're seeing part of what's been different in the nba. The last couple of years. You'd you want more ballhandling because you don't necessarily have to have lebron james out there. If you have four players who can all make reads make decisions and handle the ball absolutely. I just think. I think you're right. In the he's the flaubert raised again is going to be hinted is going to be no headed. It's going to be relying on walks around him. Because we've spoken about memphis tim weighing about how that decent out offense offenses berry schemed. If you like for guys to just need to make the riott rates and i think colin less is more like don't overcomplicated runs set to scheme guys open amass where guys led to john. Say we'll fries. The number one issue for man on watching a game the other day for the spurs a pulp comedy it used to be but Murray they run a screen the screen and play. They usually run for mills but they run it for murray and he pump fakes out of it. For a mid range of pulp went crazy mass. This talk thing. He needs to work on life. You're free to shoot the moment you stop the moment. You don't shoot that show you'll shooting yourself in the foot that that's kind of the way so he just needs to make the right place. The light in terms of the read and react stuff. I think he's a borderline alita though. Yeah i would agree with that man. I'm i'm really excited to see where he goes. And where the rest of the league goes in terms of all guys we talked about in. Someone's we haven't Jody avenue closing remarks outta here. Men no just put in to watch three to komo. Disappoint definitely go watch nasreen. Make sure it's not in the shitty neon green uniforms though. Those are like that's my least favorite part about the wolves man. Those and the i know some people like them but the the utah lake the yellow green utah. Uniforms are hideous man now as well. Yeah it's just ban neon from courts forever like i just. It hurts my eyes man. I can't with it. But you can find joe on twitter at whole joe holder. If i put. I think i believe that's a type it out all the time when i have to tweet stuff out so why should know this. It is yet joe. Mba okay good. I see i have something the read and react in my mind is still processing. Joe's a lot of fun man to everyone listening of course go follow. Joe go read his article on julius randle and most importantly have a good rest of your day. Thank you for listening.

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Grizzlies and Hornets Season Preview/Offseason Review

NBA Front Office w/ Keith Smith & Trevor Lane

44:55 min | Last month

Grizzlies and Hornets Season Preview/Offseason Review

"Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the NBA front office show, we're gonna continue today with our season preview slash review series with a couple of teams to talk about. One Western Conference, one Eastern Conference. We've got the Memphis Grizzlies and the Charlotte hornets. We're gonna kick things off with the grizzlies. Keith, I don't know, maybe this is just West Coast bias here for me or something like that or Western Conference bias, I guess. It's just it happens to be the slide that I've got up right now. So we're gonna go with the grizzlies, the team that has to cut four players off their roster just to be compliant with league rules. Some decisions to make here coming up. Yeah, I love how you say West Coast bias. I know it's probably should be an Eastern Conference team. Yes. Yeah, it's crazy. That's why I continue to say this has nothing to do with what we're podcasting about today or doing YouTube about I guess. Is they got to put two teams that are truly west teams when they expand. And then let's get Memphis to the east where they belong. It's a little crazy that they're a west Western Conference team. I get it, geographically they are. The Minnesota New Orleans are all pretty close, but yeah, and then quite frankly, do away with conferences and do the divisions different, I don't know. I'm probably never happened though. But yeah, they're in an interesting spot here. They had an extremely busy off season. So we can get into that. So players added, Steven Adams, santia aldama, here's one of their draft picks, the 30th pick that they acquired on late in the giraffe process. Jared Culver, Chris Dunn, Carson Edwards, Sam Merrill, Daniel otio, and Zaire Williams. He came along with Adams after they traded up with the pelicans. That trade also saw there's a couple guys that aren't on this list because we're doing this off of who they still have because they have added and shuffled off of Patrick Beverly Eric, blood, so want to hernan Gomez, Rajon Rondo, all those guys have hopefully they did not buy property. I don't think they even set foot any of them in medals. None of them did. I think sim will see them in Memphis is the next time they're current teams play the grizzlies. But yeah, and the employers lost Grayson Allen, Tim Frazier, Sean mcdermot who is one of their two way players. Jonas valenciunas and justice Winslow. So you can see the players at a list is a little bit bigger than the players lost list. And then players retained Kyle Anderson, Desmond Bain, Dylan Brooks, Brandon Clark, Jaron Jackson junior, ty Jones, John conn char, Anthony mountain, John morant, Kelly and Tilly, one of their two way guys in Xavier Tillman. So this was a pretty deep team with a lot of guaranteed contracts. They made a couple shuffles in and out. And as Trevor said, four guys, got to go still. They're plus four. The guy don't have listed on here as eve's pawns because we don't put the training camp in white guys on these slides. My guess is, it's really going to be about three guys who got to go because it'll probably convert him to a two way contract with killing and Tilly and then three guys got to go. So I'm going to go off script here from our normal. Let's go right to it. Who do you think the three guys are that get waived from this team? And I'm putting Trevor on the spot here. I was going to ask him this. That's a tough call. I mean, because they've got like you said they were a deep team last year. They had a lot of guys that they leaned on. I remember Xavier Tillman had some nice moments. Daniel turu, I don't know about him. I don't know. I'm kind of in my pics. I'm kind of stuck. I'm kinda looking at, but I know they could probably use another big potentially. Maybe I'll go a toro Melo or a Merrill mellow. I'm getting ahead of myself there to the hornet. I'll go Meryl and Carson Edwards. Just to pick some women. I think so, we're in agreement on two ruined Edwards. I'm not sure Chris Don makes it. I think Meryl just because this team has been forever in need of shooting. And he can do that a little bit. I think maybe Chris Dunn goes. I think Kristen could help, but the team already has so many guards. They have morant. They have Desmond Bain, Dylan Brooks plays a lot of guard. They have tyus Jones. They also have D'antoni mountain who's a really nice player who I know they want to get more minutes for. So maybe they decide, we don't need to yet another guard, kind of muddying these waters and let's move on from them. So all right, so we can get another real me to the show here. So we went through who they added, who they lost, who they retained. Other changes, no extensions here yet. Jaron Jackson junior were waiting on. We then killed probably a good chance he'll get a rookie scale extension. We'll see what that looks like . If you're Memphis, you're trying to get that out of kind of team friendly number, just because he hasn't been healthy for a couple years. Now for them. And if you're Jackson, you're looking at and saying, hey, I'm one of the better unique bigs. I wish I could find the tweet now. I can't. But I this was during the hiatus last year. I had put together just some interesting stats and one of them was jaren Jackson junior joined Channing Frye and Karl Anthony towns as players who were 6 foot 11 and above. As guys who had shot a significant number of three pointers, there was like four plus attempts per game and hit the percentage that they hit. So both volume and percentage wise were there. They were the only three guys that were 6 11 or taller to do that. So he still a pretty unique player. So let's just go there real quick. Yeah. What would you give him in an extension? What do you feel like is fair for him right now? I mean, he's the kind of he's the kind of guy where like you said he's got the ability to step outside and shoot the three, and that is so, so important for modern bigs in terms of just hitting that next level. He's not a guy where you're going to be forced to play him at the 5 all the time, because he can't really space the floor for you or anything like that. His release, it's a little bit awkward like he doesn't shoot an effortless shot or anything, but it goes in. He makes a lot of them. I'm very, very high on him. I'm probably trying to lock him up on a four year deal and I'm gonna see if I can get him around 20 million and maybe build in some protection because of that injury risk. I don't know if he'll go for something like that, but if I'm Memphis, that's what I'm hoping for right out of the gate. Yeah, and that's about where I am somewhere between four 80 and four 88. Now range of my guess is he probably wants for a hundred and we'll see if they land somewhere in between those. So yeah, it is kind of just something to keep an eye on. That's probably other than the waivers that we talked about that is probably their last piece of significant business that this team needs to do because obviously there are pretty well full, they've got all these guys. The other thing too when we talk about these waivers just to be clear, these are not straightforward cuts because these are non guaranteed guys or camp guys. They have 18 players on fully guaranteed contracts. So that's what we're talking about here. What we're talking about, yeah, they get a wave somebody and you eat a little bit a bit of money on the books. Here, and they're already eating about 8 million or I'm sorry, 4.8 million for Rajon Rondo, 2.7 million for Marc Gasol and then John state porters on their books for 3 million. So you're already up over $70 million in dead money on your books with that. They do have 4.9 million. They have not used their room exception yet, so they do have that for spending power down the line maybe because again they don't have to. But they don't have roster spots. So all right, so let's get into it a little bit more. It projected starters for this team. You can go ahead and go first if you would like. Yeah, I mean, we've been talking about this. A bad John Moran Dylan Brooks. I think those guys are pretty locked in. And then you've got a course Jared Jackson junior, Steven Adams. By the way, physically, is there any player in the NBA that looks more like their team than Steven Adams and the Memphis Grizzlies? I think that's just the perfect question for them. And then I think Kyle Anderson's at the three, I do bring up the question of what does Desmond baines development look like? Could you see a lot of minutes where Dylan Brooks slides to the three, and you've got Bain into the two to provide that extra shooting there. But I do think it's Kyle Anderson out of the gate at least just start at the three for the grizzlies. Yeah, I think so too. Maybe if you decided you wanted a little more size off the bench, maybe then Anderson goes to the bench because you can kind of play three four for you off the bench versus be kind of making do with Tillman and Clark. The one thing this team doesn't really have is a true backup 5. They get by with Tillman and Clark. But those guys are more small ball options. But I think when you're three big rotation is essentially Adams, Jackson and Clark for the most part, you're pretty good because Jackson can slide over and play the 5, especially against backup groups and you're a pretty good there. So I'm with you on the starting 5 Adams Jackson Anderson burkes and morant. And then I just talked through a couple pieces. I think they're rotation pieces. Pretty clear. It's Brandon Clark, Desmond Bain, to Anthony Melton, tyus Jones, and Xavier Tillman. We'll see can a Jared Culver break into that if Chris Dunn makes the team? Could he break into that rotation somewhere? There's been a lot of talk that maybe times Jones could be a guy that gets put forward in a trade. I do think that this team could be ripe for a consolidation trade when we get to the trade deadline, if they're looking at and say, boy, you know, we really need to add one guy who can fill this one role. They've got a bunch of those good mid range contracts that they could put together to go get a guy like that. So I think that's just another thing to kind of keep in mind with this group. Rotation, is there anybody else on this Ross or that stands out for you that could really break into a rotation role? I'm a D Anthony belt and this guy that I've been a big fan of since he came in a draft. I was shocked that he fell as far as he did. I like him a lot, so I think that he could be a difference maker for. But I don't think that's a shock though. I think he's already factored in as part of the rotation. You know, John conker, he seems to have this ability where and maybe it's just when I see the Lakers play him, but he always just steps on the floor and does good things, right? And so he's a guy that you have to keep an eye on, but other than that, I think you nailed the guys that are really going to be parts of the rotation or key pieces anyway. And I think what gets interesting there is a desire Williams and Santi aldama, probably not going to play very much. For this team, as rookies, and I think that's okay, I think in summer league, now, I'm really not the be all end all and we don't overreact to it, but neither one of them looked very good in some way. They both looked like they need lots of development time. But that's okay. And that's fine. Get them to the G league. You let them develop there, and then we'll move forward from there. So into our next question about this, what do you think this team's biggest strength is? I mean, Joe morant, where he goes, they go. They are stability to attack on the offensive and that is a major strength because you've got a guy that's so dynamic. His ability to get in the paint really sets things up. And then when you combine that with triple J, Jared Jackson junior and his ability to shoot from outside, that makes a really lethal combo. So I like that, but overall if I'm looking at just this grizzlies roster, it's the depth. It's the fact that they can really come at you in waves and they've got that kind of, you know, it's not the grit and grind grizzlies anymore, but they still kind of have that mentality where they're going to outwork you. And so when you add up all of that, you've got a team that's no fun to deal with, right? On a random Wednesday night in January, they can give anybody a run for their money. And so I think that is a strength that there's they're not a top tier team by any means, but they're also not a team that you can overlook. Yeah, I like that one. I think for me, it's their overall depth. I think this team has really good quality depth. I think they go. At least ten if not 11 or 12 guys deep in NBA players, which is huge. That's big. Hopefully this year more on a normal schedule with more days off and hopefully knock on wood less COVID concerns and those kind of things hopefully you won't have to rely on that deep depth quite as much. But I do think that they have really good depth. Switching over to their biggest weakness. I think their biggest weakness for me is just shock creation outside of John morant. They're very reliant on him to create a lot and they have to get things through scheme quite a bit where it is running guys off screens and a lot of off ball stuff and those kind of things. And they no longer have the benefit of dumping in Alan Tunis in the post and play through him if things are really going because that's just not something Steven Adams does. So I think that's probably my biggest weakness for this team is how do they create offense when it's not John Moran and yes, I know Dylan Brooks can create shots, but it's always his own shots, and they are quite often ones where you're like, oh boy. Yeah. I love doing Brooks and confidence and I would always have a spot for doing Brooks on my team just because I think you need guys like that. But that's more a guy I think I would like a lot better in 20 minutes a night off the bench. Just letting it fly, then somebody who's getting 20 shots a night in 35 minutes as a starter. Well, Keith it's funny because that was actually my biggest weakness of the team. As they are asking Dylan Brooks to do too much. It's just a little bit above what he should be asked to do. If you trim down that role a little bit and that means probably adding in some other pieces and things like that, he can be I think a lot more effective, but I think they're needing him to do a little bit more than he's capable of and that's creating some really inefficient play. And part of it is like you said, it's just him. He's very, very confident and all that, but I think that he's just being asked to do a little bit too much in terms of that shot creation, getting things going for other people, which doesn't happen all that often. So that's certainly a challenge if there's moving forward. Yeah, completely agree. All right, good, bad or indifferent off season? What do you think? You know, I'm kind of indifferent here on this off season. I was hoping that this was going to be a team that really took a big step forward and I can't say they took a step back or anything like that. But I was hoping they would take a big step forward. You move out, balance units. You bring back Steven Adams, you did, you know, flip flopped all these veterans, Eric Bledsoe and rondo and all that in you. Basically, it all comes down to Jarrett Culver. There just wasn't that big move that made me say, oh, wow, the grizzlies are ready. They are gonna be a force to be reckoned with this season. Like I can't even put them up into that, you know, that middle tier yet in the Western Conference. It's pretty much it's almost the way I feel about the Dallas Mavericks where if they are better than last season, it's gonna be because John morant is simply that much better than he was last season, just like the Mavericks. If they're gonna be better, it's gonna be because Luca just gets that much better not because they added in all these pieces that are great fits and now they're ready to make the leap or anything like that. Yeah, I'm with you on indifferent. They did a lot of stuff. I just don't know how much of it necessary moves them forward. This year, I just think it was this flurry of transactions. And when I look at it, it's Adams isn't as good as valentines and they added a couple young guys that may take a couple years. Now, I think what they did nice long-term was they've got some decisions to make because we mentioned Jackson's due for an extension this year, Kyle Anderson is going to be a free agent after the season. So that's something that they're going to have to deal with at some point. Jones, Chris Don, if he makes it those guys are also coming up on free agency after this year. So we'll see where that all goes. But yeah, I'm with you. I don't think they did enough. And I don't know if in the west, their internal improvement is going to be enough to continue to keep them ahead of some of the other teams. I think we've got teams that are pretty good. Now, I don't think this team's going to be bad by any means. I don't think they're going to slip down towards OKC and Houston at the bottom of the car. But yeah, but I struggle to see how they get out of the play in meds. I just think they're somewhere in that 7 to let's call it 11 or 12 range teams that are fighting for the play in the west and there's no way I can see them in the top 6. Yeah, agreed. Do you want to just get into where we're projecting them for this season? Yeah, so let's do that. Let's do the range of finish. What's your high end? So my high end for them, I've got them up at 6 on the high end and then the low end I've got them down at the bottom of the plane. So obviously not a huge range there. But I've got them, I did a ranking sort of a tier based ranking the other day for the Western Conference for Lakers nation and I had Memphis finishing up about 9. So I've got them on the high end at about 6 and the low end at ten and most realistically, I see them just in terms of overall talent and where I've feel like they would fit in things and like a power ranking type situation. I've got them sitting about 9. Yeah, so that's interesting. Your high end is a little higher in your low end a little higher. So you've got them more pretty stable. I think high end 7 or 8. So I'll say I'll say 7, I'll be optimistic. I think low end. I could see them being 12, it just doesn't go as well in a handful of teams past them. So what you think of like about incremental passing them, I could see maybe if everything went right for the spurs, you know, maybe the spurs end up better than them. I will definitely be better than OKC. I think they'll definitely be better than Houston. I think they'll definitely be better than Minnesota. Then it kind of after that, they just they're right there with New Orleans, Sacramento, San Antonio, I think they're more in that grouping. But two years ago, I picked them to be the worst team in the NBA. And they almost made the playoffs. So my track record with picking against the grizzlies is not all that great art. What is your biggest question remaining for this team going into the season? If it's something different than we haven't covered. No, it's pretty much it's how are they getting to that next level? You know, what is the move from here? Because it felt like, like I said, this off season. They made moves. But they were just kind of they're running on the treadmill, right? They didn't really get anywhere. So how do you take that next step aside from just, oh, we believe job's gonna get better and jaren Jackson junior's gonna get better and then we're off and running. Does Steven Adams make you that much better compared to having valiant units in there? I don't think they're different players, but I don't think that's taking a routine for the next level. So what is their plan? Because pretty soon John morant, Jared Jackson junior, these young guys they've got. They're going to be itching to really win and then you can find yourself in a tough situation. Yeah, no, I'm gonna add on to that. I guess the way I add onto that is do they make a trade? Do you start to combine some of these guys? And why not? If you're looking at or we're not going to be able to keep Kyle Anderson, we're not going to be able to keep ties Jones and do you really need to. Those are kind of different questions you can ask, but that's over $18 million in salary matching right there that goes a long way. Now you add to that a couple other guys and now you're up over 20 and you can just about getting a mix for any player who may come available. And I do wonder they one of those teams I could jump in there on a guy that wow, that's interesting. Usually just want for him, can they convince him to stay, but is that kind of more of just, hey, we're going to make this move and get this guy for a couple years and hopefully playing with John morant and jaren Jackson junior by all accounts, everything I know people love Memphis that the fans have gotten super behind this team, especially through the grid and grind years and all those kind of things. I do think the atoms signing is maybe trying to get back to that. Kind of team where we're going to beat you up physically and those kind of things are the atoms acquisition I should say not signing. But yeah, I that's my biggest question is do you cash in some pieces to push this thing forward? Is that the way you go about this? Yeah. That may be the end result. And it may be like you said, taking a gamble on somebody whose value is a little bit depressed because they've got free agency pending or something like that. And then just betting on the fact that you're going to convince them to stay kind of like Oklahoma City did with Paul George a few years ago. Yep. Completely agree. Yeah, I'm with you, yes. Is that the way where you go? And is there somebody who unexpectedly, they go out and say, hey, you know, we're going to go get this guy where we're going to make this work. So yeah, we're ready to move on to Charlotte hornets. Let's head on over and talk about the Charlotte horns. And maybe Keith maybe I save this one just because I love this graph. This is my favorite of all the graphics that you've done so far for this. Oh, thanks. It's just cool looking with the honeycomb background and all that here with the hornets. So aesthetically please appreciate that. Good stuff. Yeah, I like this one too. I also I love Charlotte's color scheme with teal and purple. It's one of my favorites in the league. So all right, let's look at guys they added James book knight in the draft. Wesley a window came over in the devonte Graham sign and trade. Kai Jones was added in the draft. And all this, he was drafted a couple of years ago. It's coming in on a two way. Scottie Lewis, another guy was added at the draft. He's going to be on a two way. They signed Kelly Uber junior. That one was a bit of a surprise after we were sat out there for a little bit, Charlie used their remaining 12 million or so in cap space to go get him. They traded from me some plumlee of Detroit. They signed ish Smith to come in and be their backup point guard. And then they are added JT Thor, one of the best names in the gym. Also another guy they added at the draft. This one, I had to change the graphic a little just to fit it because they had so much roster change, but players lost biz Mac biombo. Nate darling, one of their two way guys, Devante Graham, that's clear the biggest loss they had. Caleb Barton, one of the two Martin twins, he was waived he since caught on with the Miami Heat. Malik monk finally came into his own and seems like he got past his personal issues and now is playing pretty good ball, but he's off to your team to the Lakers. Graham ruler, one of their other two way guys has gone Brad wanamaker and Cody zeller a couple veterans there. Players retain lamella ball, miles bridges, Vernon Carrey junior, Gordon Hayward, Cody Martin, Jalen McDaniels, Nick Richards, Terry Rozier, a and PJ Washington, and then Terry Rozier landed the veteran extension. That was already signed in ink. And I said this when we talked about that extension getting signed, but it's good to bring it up here too. Go look at Terry Rozier stat line before you respond to that. Yes. Before you think, this is crazy. This guy's not that good. He was great last year for this team. And this team was pretty good and then fell apart late due to injuries because they lost ball. They lost Hayward. It just really all kind of crumbled on them. And they probably should have been a team that was fighting their way through the plane. And maybe even a playoff team. And I think that's the step that they're hoping to take this next season. Yeah, Terry Rozier. I mean, just to drive it home because most people don't think about as a shooter. 41% from three two seasons ago on 6.7 attempts per game, 39% from three last season on 8.3 attempts per game. Like that's ridiculous. That's quality shooting on high volume. That's what you're getting out of you can't ask for much more than that. Plus the fact that he can handle the basketball for the moments when lamellar ball, you know, when he swings the ball to somebody else, you've got a secondary creator and Terry Rozier. You've got somebody that can handle the ball when he's out. If you're not going to rely on ish Smith, it's a great, great fit. And yeah, I think he's not getting enough credit for just how good he's been in the last couple of seasons. I agreed four year $96 million extension. There's a very small amount that's non guaranteed in the final year of that, but it's essentially fully guaranteed. I think it's only about 1.7 million or so that they can save, but yeah, and you know what, for what guys are going for? Very well worth it for him. A little bit more than Aaron Gordon got, but his numbers were really, really good as you did just put together. So let's get into it starting 5 for the hornets. I'll go first this time. And I think it's pretty straight. Yeah. But I'm kind of curious to see what you think. Mason plumlee at the 5 PJ Washington at the Ford Gordon Hayward at the three then Rozier in lamelo in the backcourt. It's kind of they flip flop lamella runs the offense or sheer plays off the ball, and then they flip flop on defense or gear guards point guards and lamelo guards off while he generally kind of floats with Hayward in switches there. You've got anything different in that starting point. That is exactly what I had. I think that's I think there actually one of the easier teams in the NBA to project their starting 5 because it seems like it's all pretty pretty set. You know what, I think, too, one thing with this starting 5, that might be one of the better passing starting 5s in the entire MBA. Yes. Because mason plumlee is a very good passer for a big man. You can run a lot of stuff through him at the elbows where he does stuff. I always go back to when he was in Denver. They ran a lot of the same stuff, would die jokic was out of the game, just using plumlee, because he is a good passer. Heyward, we know is one of the best passing wings. In the game in the roger ball, or I think at their heart, they're both really point guards. And LaMelo Ball is already one of the better pastors in the league. And roger has proven to be a better than average passer. So I do think they can move things out rotation players behind them. This is where it gets a little interesting because they don't really have a pure backup 5. On this on this team. So it's young guys, it's guys like Vernon Carey and Nick Richards and those kind of guys that are more toward the bottom of the roster. But I think what they'll do is they'll make do with PJ Washington, playing some file and he'll slide over and play the 5, one plumb lease out. Maybe Jalen McDaniels get to use there a little bit player that I know they like, but Kelly, you raised probably going to be the top guy off the bench miles bridges, a little bit of overlap in those two guys, maybe. There, but I think you're okay, ish Smith will be the backup and many Celtics fans listening to this know when they play against is Smith. He generally has a pretty good bet to go off for about 25 points. Every time he's just he's just one of those guys that kills the Celtics. And then we'll see if any of the rookies can get in there. I think Kai Jones needs more development time. He looked pretty raw at some early but super athletic. Yeah. I mean, when you've got I was so I thought that was a great landing. But when you've got a guard, like LaMelo Ball, who can do the things he can do, you want athletes all around them that you can just run the floor and it's gonna be so much fun. It might take time, but I loved that pick. The landing spot's perfect. I think Chi Jones is one of those guys who I always were for I usually use Charlotte's example like a Tuesday night in January when you're playing in Charlotte. So let's do a Tuesday night in January when you're playing Oklahoma City. If you're the hornets, you want you could droke eye Jones in there for 20 to 25 minutes and just say just run and play hard. And we'll get you know, we'll get you touches, we'll get you shots at the rim and those kind of things. I really like Jalen McDaniels. I think he really came along strong last year. I think he can play. I think they might try to use them as the backup 5 a little bit, but I'm not. That's not really his role he's much more of a pure forward. And then Cody Martin, James buck and I will see maybe Wesley a one dude is one of those two guys emerge more is a potential guard option. One thing we're not going to see is I don't think we're going to see a lot of those three guard groupings that they used last year. We're going to use grammar here in ball together. They just don't have that right mix this year with that. So probably a little bit more traditional lineups, except upfront. When plummets out of the game, they're going to have to go small because I just don't know that they have a real true backup for him on this roster right now. And how are we feeling at this point? No, the rosters put together on the devonte Graham trade, picking up a lottery protected first forum from the pelicans. Yeah, I think it's okay. I think they were starting to get a little expensive. They're in Charlotte. And I think it was one of those things where if you resigned gramp, anybody should know and if you don't, you'll know now. He's one of my favorite guys in the league just because I love the fact that he went from being a guy who looked like his first year like he might not even be on an NBA team. His second year to be quite frankly, I think he should have one most improved player. His jump in stats was just insane. And that's how good he is. And I love those guys who come off the bench just firing and they know exactly who they are and I'm going to go out there and try to score and make plays and those kind of things. But I get why Charlotte wasn't going to pay him that. And then it made even more sense when they extended Rozier. Then it became you can't you can't pay both of those guys and have ball and Hayward and all these other guys. So yeah, it is one of those things. Now what I kind of wonder is what happens with biles bridges. He's extension eligible. And for the first time last year, started a kind of look like, all right, I can see what this guy is. I think if you could get him for mid level ish money if you're Charlotte, you do it enough if a bird does not say no way. And I'm betting on myself knowing that'll still be there for me next summer. As long as I have anything resembling a decent year this year. Yeah, I mean, last season, solid very, very efficient, 40% from deep 13 points per game, 6 boards. I do wonder what the addition. How many threes per game did he take? How many threes per game? Let's see. That was on four and a half attempts per game. So not bad. That's pretty good. Not bad at all. So that's solid development there from a wing player that's what you're going to be looking for from him. I also like the combination here of .7 steels and .8 blocks per game. That's some pretty good versatility there for a wing so you like that defensively as well. But I do wonder what about the addition of Kelly O'Brien? What does that mean for miles bridge? Does that change his role at all at all? Does that change his minutes? What happens there? I think that's going to be something really curious to keep an eye on. Yeah, my guess is you're seeing, so I'm going to group McDaniels in that group too. And I think what you're looking at is McDaniels is a four or 5 for the hornet. Bridges is a three four, an Uber, I think they're hoping is a two three. I think that's what you're hoping for there. Now Uber at the two is never been really good. Because he kind of gets his shock and be kind of inconsistent, but I think as long as he's out there with Hayward or roger, you've got enough shooting that it can do that. And I think their hope is when they need to stretch element at the 5, you go to PJ Washington. And I think that's how maybe you get, you get bridges or the dog wants in here. You get a bridges are Uber on the floor more. Maybe at the end of games . If that's what you need, probably if you need offense, maybe Uber if you need defensive bridges and go small because I do think bridge's activity defensively started to show up a little bit more. But yeah, it's a little bit of a weird roster construction. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one that's solved with a trade at some point this season. It's weird, but I don't mind it like that because what you're what you've got too much of and we can argue whether or not it's actually too much, but it's the thing that everybody wants, and that's wings, right? So that's still you're fine. You're fine in my. It's so easy to move one of those guys because so many teams would be are dying to get that kind of player, whether it's a miles bridges or a Kelly ubre or whoever it is, McDaniels, right? Those guys are going to be in demand around the NBA. And so you want to have if anything more than you think you need of that type of player because it'll be an easy move to make if down the line something pops up. Yeah, and there are another team that's going to have to eat a guaranteed contract. They have 16 guaranteed contracts right now. So my guess is that'll probably be one of the big either carrier Richards, maybe Cody Martin, maybe it could be one of those guys, maybe Wesley a window. I'm not exactly sure where he fits on this roster. So we'll see, but they are going to have to eat a guaranteed contract at some point. So and just to close the book on it, they have no real spending power left. They use the vast majority of their room exception on ish Smith. So they don't have anything left to run out there. And sign with. So that'll take us to the question of biggest strength for this team. I think the biggest strength of this team is their offensive versatility. You already mentioned their passing. You've got so many guys who can do so many different things, right? Gordon Hayward can attack off the bounce. Terry Rozier can't lamella ball can. Plumlee is a more versatile player. I think that he gets credit for particularly when you start incorporating his passing as well. They're the kind of team that can really drive and kick on you when they are when they're hitting, right? They're the kind of team that can really get going on the offensive end of the floor and just come at you in waves because they have so many different guys that can handle the basketball game pass that can shoot. They can really kind of, I don't know what I want to say here. Spread their wings on the offense because they have so many different options to turn to and different playing styles they can use their own offense. So I think that right there is going to be their biggest strike that's their overall offensive versatility. They're a team that like on league pass, I'm gonna be tuning in to watch this team and watch them play specifically for the offensive end of the floor and the potential they've got there. Yeah, so that's more or less the same answer. I was going to give like you said we talked about their passing. They gave enough shooting. Let's see, do they have enough finishing around the basket? Bridges is obviously one of the better dunkers in the league. We threw down a couple absolute monster highlights. If it wouldn't get us booted off YouTube, we'd splice those in here because they were just that much fun. But yeah, he was ridiculous. And then they. Relative ability to play a lot of different styles. I just, let's see if they can finish her on the rim a little bit better. I think they're often. So there's a chance to be really good. I think their biggest weakness is their defense. Yes. I think wing defense there are okay. I think don't cobble it together. I'm just I'm worried about their interior. I'm not saying, I don't think it's going to be very good. It did, yeah. Even last year, at least they had bismack biombo that you could throw out there to do a little bit inside. So I'm a little bit worried about that. I think they've got a collection of guys who are okay rebounders, but nobody who's going to really be a great rebounder. So maybe this is some of the hole is more than the sum of the parts with their rebounding. Maybe that's the way it goes with them, but I just wonder. And then the last thing I'll say is, I'd like to see him play faster. They were per basketball. They should be 20th in pace last year. They can't win if they're going to continue doing that. Yeah, that's not the way that seems got to be faster. Push that ball up the floor, lean into your offense a little bit more and get in there because you've got enough guys that can do that, do stuff there. So yeah, absolutely. Anything else for you weakness. I mean, this team defensively in terms of just look at their rim protection. Mason plumlee, I like him as a player, but he barely registers as a negative impact on opponents available percentage at the rip. Just barely . He's not scared anybody from attack in the basket and they don't really have that many guys that are going to step in and do that. And not to say that you have to play it like the NBA is getting smaller, the NBA's getting faster, you don't have to have a true traditional center out there, clogging up the paint 48 minutes per night. You just don't. But you have to have some sort of deterrent at the rim for at least key portions of the game and they just they don't have that. So I think they're going to get lit up on defense, but the way you mitigate that is like you said, you play fast, you can't be 20th and pace. You just can't. You've got to play faster. You've got to let your offense get out and go. And that's going to be really important for this team this season. Yeah, I'd like to see them push being a top ten. Yes. Absolutely. They should be. They've got all the. And it's Tesla mellow. It's lamelo. Even Hayward, not that he's the fastest guy, but he does well when the team plays quick, 'cause he's such a good passer and he's such a good shooter and he can do a lot of different things. He's also a guy if you push it up quickly. You don't have something immediately. He's a nice guy to kick it to on the wing and let him make a decision from there is a secondary attack. So yeah, I would like to see this team definitely play faster. Good battering different off season. I'll go first this time. I'm leaning slightly towards the good. Just because I don't, the guys they lost, I don't feel like other than Devante ram, major losses. But I think I think plumlee will be as good for them as Cody zeller and biombo were. I think Uber has a chance to very different than Devante Graham, but I think has a chance to be better for what this team needs. And then I think Smith fills in the backup playmaking. Just enough, and then I do like the two guys that they got in the draft and book nighting Jones. I just don't know about this year for those guys, but I do think, I think book night maybe has a chance to play a little bit more than Jones just 'cause I think he's more offense ready. If they need another garden, a rotation, I think he's ready to step in and do it. And then I think Jones will get there eventually. So I'm gonna lean slightly towards the good, but it's barely that beyond indifferent. Yeah, I'm right there with you. You took all the words out of my mouth in terms of the moves that they made in the draft and everything else that I like. So it's good, but again, I think they made better moves than the grizzlies did, but again, I can't say this team made a bunch of moves that have clearly vaulted them up a tear at this point. I think they're still sitting in the same tier. They were in in the Eastern Conference last season. Save for the development of lamella ball, the young guys, if those guys just or you just see organic growth. I don't know that the moves they made vault them up into the next two years yet. Although I do think that overall, they're probably what a couple more games won better than they were last season just based on these moves. Yeah, and I think so, so let's leave that right into. You can't pick a high yeast. There's too many good teams in the east now to see them moving past. So clearly, Milwaukee, Brooklyn, ahead of them, Miami, Atlanta, Boston, New York. Missing some Philadelphia, pending. So maybe they can be better than Chicago, Indiana, Toronto, Washington. I think they're right in that mix with that group in that 7 range. I think clearly they're better than Detroit, Orlando. But they were in Cleveland. It's the rest of those teams. I think they're right in that mix. So I'm going to say somewhere in the 7 to 12 range. Kind of same spot where they were last year. So bottom end, they'll say 12, because I just can't see them being worse than any one of Cleveland Orlando or Detroit. I think they'll certainly be better than those teams. Yeah, they're still in that play in here for me. And that's why again, I don't think they moved up a tier into the solid playoff teams. I think they're a play in team. If they get some things to break right during the regular season, then maybe you wind up towards the top of that tear, you know, around that 7 seat or something like that. And if they don't, then we could be talking about this team saying what happened? Why did they regress and they could be somewhere down missing the play? And it might not be that they regret. It could be that they just didn't improve enough and teams other teams like say Chicago, maybe Indiana, like they got better or they had better seasons and that just kind of knocked the hornets down a little bit. The Eastern Conference as a whole, I think is better. So for a team like the hornets that maybe they improved a little bit, it might seem like they actually stepped back just because the other teams around them got better. Yeah. I agree. Biggest question for me is can they find a way to defend enough to break into that top 6? That's I think that's pretty straightforward there. I don't have anything else to go to. 100%. 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Yellow and blue. Yeah. Look, we got a color theme right there. That would be good. Those are good. I'm excited about that before. The warriors have got to say about it and then the Indiana Pacers. There could be some big changes coming from the midseason. Definitely no doubt, yeah. So we'll see and then guys we'll be back with you later in this week with news catch ups and those kind of things. Right now, just a whirl on the same page for watching and listening here. The news is starting to slow down a little bit, but every time we say that, then we get four or 5 new things that we need to spend getting traded in like an hour. Yeah, really exactly. I've been up a Ben Simmons trade is probably gonna come at any point here. But yeah, but we're so we're probably gonna be focused on knocking out these review previews over the next little bit here, but if there is news, we'll be on it. We'll react to it and get into it. But yeah, we're excited we're in by Monday rolls around. 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S3 Ep 9: Future Talent Rankings: NBA's 20 Best Young Teams

Chad Ford's NBA Big Board

48:57 min | 2 weeks ago

S3 Ep 9: Future Talent Rankings: NBA's 20 Best Young Teams

"The lock on podcast network team every day. Aloha you're listening to chat ford's nba big board on the lockdown. Podcast network today. We talk future talent. Rankings the top twenty nba teams with the best collection of players under the age of twenty. Five here we go aloha. I'm chad ford. You're listening to chat for big board of locked on podcast network and today we're going to have a fun. Podcast talking about the best talent under the age of twenty five team by team. So we're gonna look at which teams have done. The best job collecting that core of young talent that could ultimately lead to either that team growing together and becoming an nba championship contender. Or perhaps they use that young talent as trade bait to land a superstar and again we're not talking about the best teams in the nba that our power rankings were four and you can listen to a podcast. A couple of weeks ago. That i had with mark stein talking about that nor are we talking about which teams are the most likely to be the worst teams in the league and maybe win all the lottery balls on on on the nba draft lottery night as well actually have a column on that as well over at nba. Big board dot com. You can check that out as well if you want to know which teams have the best shot of winning the lottery this year. This is not about how a team is going to perform on the court. It's about how they've been building their team. How they've been thinking about using the draft or trades to build a core of young players under the age of twenty five that can ultimately lead to nba success. And so i've been talking to a number of nba general managers First of all. That's the first thing. I did an nba scouts to get their take on which these teams they had. The best talent actually asked them to rank players based off of tears so to your one being a superstar all the way down to tier five being a deep rotation player then i consulted two different analytical models as well darko. You're doing a chat ford podcast or chad. Ford column. for sure would love a statistical measure called darko and then another one called the bron which are very highly respected as to analytics models. That look at what a player overall is doing. Both on the offensive and defensive end and then for rookies because rookies are really really hard to gauge. Because they actually haven't played yet in the nba. I went with our two thousand twenty one. Nba draft here system. Which i did on a podcast before the nba draft looked at those tier ratings. And so for example. A guy like kate cunningham graded out as a tier. One would get a tier one designation here. Except i downgrade those designations a little bit because as we know rookies just aren't going to be able to really contribute in the first year or two in a really high level despite them being extremely talented and so the idea here is which of these players under the age of twenty five before opening night on october nineteenth are going to have the best. Nba career. So we're not just looking at what they will do this year but over a five year period. What they're going to be like three to five years and then putting them into a tier system and then right. We're adding up those numbers and looking at which teams are coming out with the best overall core of young talent under the age of twenty five if players over the age of twenty five day were not counted in in the section. So you can look at it. And say hey. The warriors have steph curry wired. They rated higher. I'm not counting steph curry. Because he's not under the age of twenty five and then we put together the tears and then assigned points for each part of the tier so a top ten player in the nba overall. If you're one of the top ten best players in the nba got fifteen points. Only look of the dallas mavericks achieves this designation tier. One is the superstar player. They get ten points only two players under the age of twenty five jason. Tatum sign williamson. Get that designation tier. One point. Five is potential superstar. Only gave this to rookies. So these guys that received a tier one designation from me before the draft. But we're lowering a couple points to eight points because we know they're not gonna be able to contribute quite in the same way early on kate cunningham. Jalen green evan mobely get that designation to our all star players they get seven points trae young jamarat jaylen brown a bunch of other players. Getting that designation really. You know we're talking here about our top twenty five players in the league. Tier two point five potential. All-star jalen suggs gets that designation as jonathan kamanga. Scotty barnes again. They got tier two designation before the draft were dropping it down a little bit because of the fact that we just know they're not gonna be able to have same impact right away as rookies They get six points for being a point. Two five tier threes starter brandon ingram colored sexton kevin porter jr. a number of other players. They get four points for that to your three point. Five potential starter that you get three points for that that again is for nba. Rookies josh. Guinea gets that number to your four rotation player to two points cam reddish desmond bain rj them etc to your five deep rotation player Get one point. These are guys. They may get some minutes but they're not having a big impact their the nine to twelve guys on a roster and they get one point. I do exclude a few players under the age of twenty five on two way contracts or just don't have any history of making any substantial contributions to teams and there is some controversy here. I actually published this column in two parts. I teams one through ten and eleven through twenty on my website. Nba big board dot com. Which you can go over and check that out that players one teams one through eleven or actually free right now but go go there subscribe. Give us your email. We have a number of columns that are free and then we're also covering the twenty twenty two nba draft as well those columns behind a paywall. But if you subscribe five dollars a month fifty dollars a year you get access to everything. I really think it's worth it really appreciate you going over there and checking it out as well. I've also got some controversy about where guys are ranked so for example. A lot of people were frustrated. Trae young tier two should be your one. A lot of people said he's beyond an all star now. He's a superstar. The problem was that the analytic models that i use. Both darko and lebron just didn't see it that way nor did the general managers are scouts that i talked to so of course somebody else can be watching this and have a different opinion on where players should be ranked. That's part of the fun of doing a project like this but at the end of the day we're going to go with that sort of model understanding why we're ranking somebody. The way that we are some people are also frustrated. That guy who had made an all star team like brandon ingram gets a tier three designation which is starter and not a tier two designation which is all star and that again is based off the analytics models that we were looking at as well as talking to nba general managers and scouts whereas somebody like john collins out of atlanta does get to your to a all star rating even though he's not quite made an all star team yet and so again. This isn't when i say all star starter or deep rotation players sometimes a starter is going to get a tear for rotation player. I nod sometimes starters going to get a tier two all star nod. Sometimes an all star is going to get a start or not and again this is based off of what the analytics are saying about what they're doing as well as those scouts in general managers projecting forward and again all of this is projecting forward. It's not just about what a player will or won't do this season upcoming season. But how projecting him over the next three to five years. I think that's enough by way of introduction to get started and so let's about the top three teams that had the highest total points. After you rated together and added up all of the different players they had under the age of twenty five and it starts with the atlanta hawks. They get a total score of twenty nine points which was the highest of any team is obviously led by trae young who gets tier two designation. Again i know some hawks fans especially may feel like he should have gotten into your one designation if you believe so you could add three points to their score and instead of thirty twenty nine. They're going to get a thirty two points either way they win and then tier two designation for john collins. Who's age twenty four again. He hasn't made an all star team but his numbers and statistics looked like he should be a young nba all star. And then i think the thing that makes the hawk so dangerous they have a ton of guys that are young players under the age of twenty five that get tiered three or tier two or tier four designations. And so that's a de'andre hunter. Kevin heard her cam reddish on deco. Kong do jalen johnson who they just drafted in the two thousand twenty one nba draft and then one guy that gets to your five designations cooper who they also drafted in the second round of the twenty twenty one nba draft. The hawks are loaded with talented. I think one of the interesting things about atlanta's what they do with it. There's actually some minutes crunchier as how are all of these players going to get minutes. When you also have a number of veterans on the roster as well whether that someone like clint cappella dot h or someone like danilo gallinari as well there are some minutes crunches here and you wonder after a while whether the hawks might be better served by instead of just keeping all these young players and trying to develop whether they cash in a number of these young is and instead of developing them. They trade for superstar. Someone like bradley beal. For example i think could really help the hawks move from eastern conference finalists. All the way it'd be a championship contender right now. So it'll be interesting. Quandary for the hawks and what they do but they've done an amazing of both stockpiling talent and putting a winner on the floor. You're going to see a lot of these teams on this list. They're not doing that and so well done for the hawks. It's pretty amazing that you're an eastern conference finalist and you have the stable of young talent under the age of twenty five of any team in the league right now. That's an incredible achievement. Number two is the boston celtics. Another playoff contender. They struggled a little bit last year. But still certainly a team that you would consider a playoff contender right now. And they are only one point behind at twenty eight points and have benefited in part by getting a tier one guy. That's jason tatum. And having a tier two guy jalen brown and it's interesting. The celtics won't be here next year and they won't be here next year because jalen brown turns twenty five just five days after the cutoff that i set october nineteenth which is the first day of the nba regular season to be able to turn twenty five so he'll turn twenty five about five days into the season that would drop them down about seven points but that's not the only those those are clearly the core but they're not the only young players that are dragging on this roster robert williams. The third certainly a guy who i think moved up tear into a potential tier three guy analytics especially like robert williams right now. Payton pritchard. who is a twenty twenty. I draft prospect. Sorry yeah twenty. Twenty draft prospect ends up with the tier four designation as the air knee smith smith especially as interesting because i think he has tier three potential and he started to play better in the second half the season so he certainly a guy as well that will watch closely romeo langford grant williams bruno fernando i get tier five. I designations for them. Then we get to number three. And there's a thai. Actually between the cleveland cavaliers the orlando magic and these teams are now both clearly rebuilding cavs a little bit further along in that rebuild than the orlando magic right now but these are more traditional teams that are stockpiling lottery. Picks right now and the cavs are ranked here in part on the strength of being able to draft. Evan moberly who. We gave a tier one designation to before the draft. He gets tier one point five here. So he's worth eight points that that's a big boost for the cavs who end up with a total of twenty six points up for them. It's not that. Expect evan mobility to play like an nba superstar. Your one or your two. For the cleveland cavaliers. I think will probably be far from it. Most rookies looked like tier four tier three players in the first couple of years. And so if you're asking hey how can have mobely tier one point five but trae young tier two. It's where we expect them to be in that three to five year range as well and evan mobile has all the tools to be a tier one player down the road. I think it is going to take him several years to get there. That's normal for rookies. But the talent is there. You got a credit. The cavs for landing player like that. They also have a couple of really strong tier. Three guys darius garland and colin sex than to lottery picks that they've taken the past their backcourt right now. Sexton really improve last year. As darius garland both of them theoretically could move into all star tier two category. They're not really there yet. And i think the general managers that i spoke with are somewhat skeptical. That they get there. I think the analytics models are as well and so. We're leaving them. At tier. Three jared allen also big man in the middle tier three designation and then they get lauri markkanen who they signed this summer. Who at times looked like he was going to be a tier. Three guy for the bulls regressed a little bit. He gets a tier four designation. Now but you could easily see larry market if he gets back that sweet jump shot and starts playing a little bit better moving back into a tier three. Then isaac koro who was third lottery pick last year the six pick in the draft who was pretty awful rookie got lots of minutes but was very inefficient in those minutes. Better on the defensive end than it was on the offensive end. A coro- gets a tier four designation here which frankly is probably a little bit generous. I'm for him for the orlando magic. They're really starting another rebuild but they actually got a couple of guys that were part of their last rebuilds. So this was a rebuild than pull the plug rebuild again and so they've got a ton of players on this roster right now under the age of twenty five one of the highest number of sheer number of talent there and it starts with jalen sides who got a tier two ranking for me. Who gets a tear point tier two point five. I think he is going to be the alpha dog on. this team. Again is an all-star near one. No but we're projecting out over years three through five. And actually i think was suggs. He's gonna play closer to all-star level. The most these rookies. I just think he's one of the most nba ready guys that we're gonna see tier three marquel foltz who sometimes plays like to five guys sometimes plays like a tier two guy actually got a tier one ranking when he was drafted injuries that missing that jump shot have clearly affected his productivity. But he's only twenty three years old still getting the tier three designation. I'm right now. Jonathan isaac another guy who clearly has tier two talent but has really struggled with injuries throughout his career gets a tier three designation right now and then franz wagner who they drafted also the lottery pick in twenty twenty one. Rj hampton who they got via trade window carter who they got via trade to mckay who they got in the draft a couple of years ago mogambo all getting tier four embalm. His case east struggled enough that he got your five designation though again. The talent is there for him to exceed that but now at the age of twenty three i think starts to get some skepticism about whether he's going to be able to reach that and one thing you can say for sure about the magic is they're likely to have their number go up considerably next year where they're looking at possibly being the worst team in the nba this year. Not the worst one of the worst two or three. They're going to get a very high Lottery pick it's probably going to get again. Be a tear a tier two type guy and so you can imagine only mo- wagner and jonathan isaac falling out of this team. They're going to add another lottery. Pick to this and hopefully some of their other young players improve magic are going to be in contention for being the number one team in twenty twenty two all right so that's a look at the top three players or the top three teams that have strong cores under the age of twenty five when we come back and talk about a couple of our sponsors we come back. We'll talk about teams five through ten. But before we do so i want to introduce you to one of our new sponsors. Indeed general managers coaches. Ask questions to find the right players interviews like do. They have ice in their veins. Are they winners. And when you're hiring can use indeed is assessments to help you. Make sure that you find the candidates with the skills you want. 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And there's a three way tie between the detroit pistons the memphis grizzlies and the new orleans. Pelicans at five right now. They all earn- twenty four points for their teams and all. These teams are really in different spaces. Right now memphis. Grizzlies make the playoffs. Pelicans trying to make the playoffs pistons. Still heavily in rebuild mode right now so they're all a little bit different spaces all of them have a player that could be a potential superstar for them and for the detroit pistons. That was obviously the number one. Pick in the two thousand twenty one draft kate cunningham who got a tier one designation from us schizo to your one point five here. They also had city bay. Who was there. Twenty twenty draft pick that ended up first team all rookie in two thousand hundred twenty twenty draft class right now. He gets a tier three designation. Then they got a bunch of guys that are tier four designations right now but some of those guys have potentials killian. Hayes was a lottery pick last year played more like a tier five guy but certainly has tier for talent. I definitely frankly tier three talent for them. Hopefully they see improvement from him. Isaiah stuart another guy only twenty years old tier four guy but could play into a tier three type of role someday. I'm going to diablo. Frank jackson josh jackson all tier five guys as well. Luca garza second round. Pick that got this year as a potential too. You're five guy. This is a rebuilding team. This is going to be another team. Like orlando that we expect to have a high draft pick next year and will continue to move up rankings and because some of their players are so young most of them between the ages of twenty and twenty two on this team. They're going to be in these rankings for a while for memphis. This is a team that made the playoffs last year. And so they're pretty bullish about the fact that they've got twenty four points with a ton of young players on this roster all of these guys by the way we'll be eligible next year for the rankings as well and so you're going to see the grizzlies hopefully improve by guys jumping up tears and that starts with john. Rat gets a tier two designation but frankly at times played like a tier one guy in the playoffs against the utah jazz this year. He certainly could move in to that tier one category scouts the advanced statistics rate him. Moore's it tier two all star guy. That's still impressive. Jaren jackson junior's been battling injuries gets a tier three designation but the upside for him becoming a tier two player even a tier one player. That's how high scouts are in them. Is there but he's got to prove that he's healthy so he gets it tier three designation. Both of these players could definitely improve on that as well and they're loaded with a bunch of young players that are role players that are coming off the bench right now and have been really productive for themselves. Tillman desmond bane. The anthony melton Really come to mind. And then they drafted with the tenth pick in the draft. A young player. He's only twenty years old zaire williams out of stanford right now. He gets a tier four designation. Here i'm not even sure he'll be here for. He'll likely be more like pure five when it comes to the plane next year but the talent is there and he could absolutely be a guy that you're going to see come and end up being a player that ends up being a tier two guy down the road and i think that in fact is what these teams are hoping for right now when you draft like a team like memphis. I like sarah williams. You're not drafting him. Hoping about what he can be in your one but what he can be in year. Three four and five and a hippie can get up to tier three tier. Two category than memphis has the chance to be a really serious nba championship contender. And then finally the new orleans pelicans They sit there at twenty four points as well they have a tier one guy in zion williamson a guy who hasn't quite got to tier one status yet. But the way that he's played the defensive end the part that he needs to improve the way that he's played has made teams confident in that three to five year range. He is going to be a tier. one player. Could be to your one as early. As next season brandon ingram a little bit controversial gets a tier three designation even though he has made an all star team and so there is. There is the argument that he should have a tier two designation instead of tier. Three if he did you would add four points. And the new orleans. Pelicans are twenty-eight tied for second with boston celtics. The advanced analytics don't agree. Nba general managers and scouts. That i talked to were split on this. But most of them agreed he was more tier three a really good start on a team but not likely to be a pretty all star. Which would get you the tier two. I designation. the other guys are all sort of tier. Four guys on the pelicans. One guy that. I'm actually maybe a little bit more bullish on the analytics are and then the scouts were. Were nicole alexander walker. A guy who played really strongly at the end of the season for the new orleans. Pelicans i think he could easily be a tier. Three guy and i wouldn't even be surprised if he's tier three. This year i thought maybe tier four was a little bit low. I think there is some confusion about how he's going to be used for the pelicans this year. Also trae murphy. The third their draft pick in the two thousand twenty one draft really good in the summer league is your classic. Three d stretch guy. He's at a tier four ranking right now but he could end up being tier three cure lewis. Who was there twenty twenty. Nba lottery pick last year tier four designation but could could end up being tier three guy as well so still a lot of talent there for the pelicans they will lose brennan ingram. Who's twenty four years old in next year's rankings. But i i think the the. Pelicans are making the playoffs this year. So they're gonna get another lottery. Pick as well and so. Maybe they're going to be able to balance that out in new orleans so those five those three teams are tied at five. So now we're gonna jump down and look at two teams that are tied at eight. That's the oklahoma city thunder who had twenty one points minnesota timber wolves also tied at twenty one points. Thunder do it by sheer numbers. They have a whopping eleven players on their roster under the age of twenty five. That's crazy they only have one guy who's really at that star level and that shade. Guess alexander who gets the tier two designation. Only twenty. Three years old had incredible season before getting injured for the thunder last year. Certainly a guy who is going to be all star worthy down the road as a point guard. Josh giddy gets a tier three point. Five designation little bit surprised that they didn't take jonathan commingle at six they take giddy instead he thrives with the ball hands but so does shea be interesting to see how they balance that out. He really did play pretty well in australia. In the pro league. Last year he gets a tier three point five designation and then you've got a ton of tier five guys for the thunder. These are young players but whether they're going to amount to anything in the nba's questionable the two guys off their roster that i am going to consider as maybe being able to melt more than the ranked right now is lucas dort who is a tier four guy but you know frankly probably played closer to tier three the skepticism on door is. He's doing it on a really really bad basketball team. The analytic sort of hold that against. Am scouts sort of held it against him as well would he be able to play the same way if he was on a better quality team he gets tier four designation but certainly can make the argument for tier three for him and then poku man. I don't know what to say about poku. Sometimes he looked like there's not a tear six but he looked like a six player sometimes. He looked like some nights at tier two player. Like an all star only nineteen years old. Not sure what he's going to be he gets to your four ranking which frankly is generous giving that he was ranked by lebron as the second worst player in the nba. Last year. statistically so. It's a little bit generous. you're hoping that adds some strength. Continues to improve and again. Those flashes are really impressive as well but the thunder really going to build on this ranking by having a ton of future draft picks and continuing to draft young players and and likely having one of the worst records in the nba this year and drafting hopefully tier two worst. Here three player to add to this rosser. The future so thunder are going to go up there. Still heavily in the rebuild right now but you can see from what they've done so far in the rebuild they're a little bit behind some of the other teams just because they haven't been able to land that tier tier two or tier one talent quite yet. Minnesota timberwolves are. They're tied at twenty one and frankly this is impressive feat for timber wolves considering that they don't have karl anthony towns de ngelo russell in these rankings. Because they're both twenty five years old so they did not count for the rankings. I'm if they did they would be right up there at the very top of the rankings. So you've got anthony edwards. Who really came on the second. Half of the season received a tier two designation before the draft is still there to tier two now again. I don't think the edwards is making an all star team next year but in years three through five. I think you could certainly see him. I'm making that right now lethal score. Let's see what else he's able to add to his game. Jade mcdaniels gets a tier four designation. But certainly could end up playing into a tier tier three leandra bone marrow. A guy that they drafted in the twenty twenty i draft first round comes in with a tier four designation but again i could see him play into tier three down the road as well really high on him thought he played really well in spain and malinche beasley. The other guy gets a tier three designation as a starter. Excellent scorer can really shoot the basketball as well. The the wolves are are really set. They have a really interesting collection of young talent and if they play anything like they played really towards the end of last season they could make a run at the playoffs. Of course it's been reported that. They're heavily after ben simmons right now. I think the problem for minnesota is. They don't want to move anthony edwards. They don't want to move. Karl anthony towns and so kennedy package of dangelo russell. Jade mcdonnell's bone morrow beasley. Can something like that. Entice the seventy sixers. I'd say right now. The answer is no. They're looking for more than that. From ben simmons but let's see if they get desperate. I can't get a better offer and go for that down down the road. So that's the minnesota timberwolves and then at ten. It's the houston rockets. Who are heavily in a rebuild Right now the the rockets are just the start of that and so in the start of that that they only have six players under the age of twenty five right now. They were built around john wall. James harden erik gordon. This team was supposed to be competing for a championship. When when hardened decides that he wants to bolt it really breaks up everything in houston right now and so they really didn't start that rebuild process until after the twenty twenty season. Twenty twenty twenty one season had started. They get a high draft pick their number one guys jalen green. Who gets a one point five designation from me. Certainly a guy who i think is going to compete for rookie of the year. Probably the favorite in my eye to be rookie of the year this year. And a guy who. I think it averaged twenty points a game game. Kevin porter jr. gets a tier three designation really came on in the second. Half of the season definitely has tier three talent. I think teams are skeptical. Give that to him yet. I given the challenges that he's had off the court in the past and whether he's gonna mature to the point that he's gonna play into all star level but he's going to get the ball looks like john. Wall is not going to be in this rotation this year. They're going to try them at point guard if he thrives there point guard. Kevin puerto junior at only twenty one years old Certainly has a tier two potential apprehensive. Gum gets a tier three point five designation. I was really impressed with him in the summer league he was. Mvp of the turkish league not for young players just overall mvp of the turkish league. Last year he gets a tier three point. Five designation could end up as a tier two player. Respond garuba josh. Christopher kenyon martin junior the other young players that we're looking at some people have said. Hey where's the shaun tait on this. He's actually already twenty five years old and so It was an old rookie. And he doesn't make the cut here are right. That is ten out that is picked five through ten. Those are the teams that are ranked five through ten having the young best core under the age of twenty five. When we come back. We'll look at the future. Rankings for teams eleven through twenty including five teams. That just missed the mark by one point. We got a big tie as we go number eleven but before we do so i want to talk about another one of our longtime sponsors rock auto with ever increasing numbers that makes some models. It's now possible for your local chain auto parts store to stock all the parts. You need winder often pointless or seemingly intimidating questioning wait while the person on the counter orders the parts on their computer choosing the only brand that warehouses happened to carry. 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You can see all the players you can see how they ranked and how they added up. Those are picks one through eleven are free for anybody. picks twelve through twenty will require you to be a subscriber but you can subscribe for five dollars a month or fifty dollars a year. We'll be covering the twenty twenty two nba draft. There's a ton of stuff on there right now. We'll be going all year. It's definitely worth a subscription would really appreciate you going over there and checking and nothing else giving us your email. We can email podcast and other articles. That i'm writing indian box every morning when they're written. Okay we're now at eleven. There's a tie with the charlotte. Hornets the chicago bulls. The dallas mavericks the new york knicks and the sacramento kings. Right now i think hornets fans were probably the most upset that their team did not make the top ten because everybody is talking about this team as a top ten type prospect right now as far as one of the best young up and coming teams in the league. They just didn't quite get there. One point below that lamelo ball gets a tier two designation. that's how we had him ranked before the draft and despite him winning rookie of the year and looking really talented. I think both the analytics and general managers and scouts that i talked to were a little bit reluctant to say lamelo ball is going to be a tier one superstar type player. Certainly getting a tier designation is not an insult by any stretch of the imagination. He's not yet made an all star team but that's where we see him going in the next three to five years. Does he have tier one talent. Yeah i think he can get there. I just teams are still betting. It's more likely to on than than tier one. And you see how hard it is. When really you have jason tatum and zion williamson and luca. Danni chits is the only tier one guys under the twenty-five y teams might be a little bit skeptical about that. They're they also get a tier three designation from pj. Washington to your four designations from james book night. Who was there lottery. Pick this year in the draft miles bridges who you could argue has played himself into tier three. He sort of right there on the bubble between tier four tier three at twenty three years old. Jt thawra tier five guy vernon carey junior tier five guy jalen mcdaniels tier five guy for the chicago bulls Their main guy. They don't have a tier two or tier one guy so it starts with patrick williams who gets a tier three i. This is interesting. I wondered whether patrick williams can deserve to your designation. He's only twenty years old. I thought he had an impressive rookie season. He probably played more like a tier four player than tier three player. Even though he was a starter it was interesting to see scouts. Still seen him maxing out as more of a tier three guy than tier four guy and some of the rationale was just that the bulls are going forward They've got a lot of veteran talent on this team right. Now whether that sack levin nicola vich or demar rosen on this roster and because of that is he going to really get the opportunity to shine in the way that push him into all-star range of the next three to five years. I think there was some skepticism there about that. Kobe white gets a tier three designation as well lonzo ball. Who i think was there. Big pickup gets a tier three designation. And definitely a guy who has flirted with tier two designation in the past sort of right on the bubble there as well. And so. Certainly. if you're more bullish on ball and patrick williams you could bump up the bowl score a little bit as well. But that's that's the bulls young core right now. I think it's a pretty good young core. I'm still skeptical. The bulls make the playoffs this year. Partly because i just think eastern conferences so loaded but if you wanna make an argument that they still have a bright future lots of young players on that roster that are really intriguing. Dallas gets it done by virtue of having luca danni who gets fifteen points. A total of nineteen points for dallas. Luca danni gets fifteen those. Why does the top ten designation get fifteen points. In tier one superstar designation only only ten and this was really the insistence of several jenner managers that i spoke to said look getting a top. Ten player in the nba is so rare. It's so transformative offer a team that just that much more points even though you may look at it and say look i. Don't think the difference donncha and jason. Tatum is that big. I would ask you to reconsider. Look only twenty two years old and he's already ready performing at a top ten level in the nba. He certainly has room to continue to improve. I think there. It's within the realm of possibility that luke donncha ends up as a top five player in the nba. An mvp contender down the road. I'm not sure anybody else that we're talking about other than maybe jason. Tatum or zion. Williams gets there and so because of that. That is the the question about why he gets five points more than other guys do. And then the other guys too to five guys. Tyrel terry moses brown. i'm till akina. Those are the guys that are really very fringe rotation players for the dallas mavericks at a new york knicks or as well and some fans were upset that they weren't higher even though again. This is a team. That's blending veterans with their young players. Rj barrick gets the highest ranking. Three mitch robinson also gets that tier three ranking as well. Some people really pushed for rj barrett to have that or tea ranking. Just didn't hear it from the skeleton. Gm's that i spoke with and the analytics were very much against that. with rj. barrett ranking is the three hundred six best player in the league last year from alabama lebron. They were not nearly as fast as i was over what he was doing and his improvement for the knicks. Next year mitch robinson also grades out his tier three and emmanuel quickly and this is a great example of a guy that would have probably received to your designation last year plays really well ultimately ends up getting tier three designation. This year. quinn. Grimes who was one of their first round. Picks this year gets tier. Four designation as the spouse mcbride who gets a tier four designation as despite being second round. Pick if you saw him in the summer league he was really good and i thought he should have been a first round. Pick this year as well. So knicks ever really nice young core obi top and we should also talk to your designation. You could make an argument for top and is a tier three player as well given the role that he's playing on the knicks. It seems more likely to your four is where he's going to go and what we've seen from him so far and then finally the sacramento kings which you know frankly should be much higher in these rankings. Because they've been like in the lottery perpetually for like the last fifteen years and some of it is they've made some good choices like darren fox. I really liked the davey and mitchell tires halliburton. I thought was a home run for them in the lottery. They've made some really good choices. They've made some pretty poor choices to choosing. Marvin bagley over at luca danni in two thousand eighteen passing donovan mitchell and bamut a bio in two thousand seventeen drafting george papagiannis in the two thousand sixteen lottery. These were all pretty tragic mistakes for the kings that ended up lowering other scores well. Dr in fox gets a tier three designation tires. Halliburton gets a tier three designation. David mitchell gets a tier three point. Five designation you could make the argument again. That faulk shit ended up as a tier. Two guy he sort of flirting on the verge of that right now. David mitchell i i think tier three point five pretty generous for him. Starter as a ricky tirees halliburton. I'm not sure we see tires. Halliburton and all star game. I think he's just gonna be really high level starter. I'm very high on halliburton. Just not sure. His ceiling is all star and then a bunch of tier guys offer the sacramento kings. One question about marvin bagley the third who ends up with tier four designation right now analytics. Just didn't see him as putting up starter numbers scouts. Gm's not really liking him very much. Sacramento kings tried to move him. The summer had a hard time getting back a lot of value in return. That's why he ends up with tier four. Despite the fact that he starts for the sacramento kings at sixteen. It's the phoenix suns. They do it off. The strength of two young players devon booker de'andre eight and both who get tier two designations deandra. Eight and has not made an all star team yet but certainly looks to be that part in the next three to five years for phoenix and then jalen smith and landry shamet getting a tier. Four five designations as well denver. Nugget ends up with this tie. Seventeen along with the houston along with the toronto raptors. They each get seventeen points nuggets. Do it on the backs of jamal. Murray who gets a tear to designation michael porter who gets tier three designation. And frankly if you look at some analytics general managers. There was a real spit split whether michael porter jr. is going to be a tier two level all-star right now i think some of the concern of why he stays at tier. Three is just those ongoing questions about his back. And we'll we'll his back. Stay healthy zeke dodgy bones highland. Pj dozier Bowl bowl all other young players under the age of twenty five for the denver nuggets that get fit into this tier lower rankings raptors. Do it on the strength. The scotty barnes Lottery pick in the two thousand twenty one. Mba drafted gets a tier two point five designation. Again barnes is a guy that's probably going to be a little further away and it's going to take him a couple of years to be able to get up to the point that he's looks like an all star but this one of the most talented young players that i've seen can play all five positions on the floor. I'm actually pretty confident by year. Four or five scott. Barnes is an all star in the league earns that tier two designation malachi flint gets a tier four designation. Og gets the tier three designation. He's twenty four years old still and actually some teams think this could be the year. I'm giving his level of improvement that he could reach tier. Two status are all star status against scouts. A little bit more skeptical about him put him in in the tier three grant. Gary trained junior gets tier for designation precious. Oshawa gets to your five designation. Maybe there's a little bit more talent there that he can move up to tier four and then at nineteen a tie between the golden state warriors and san antonio spurs teams in really really different situations golden state warriors going for championship right now but does have a really intriguing. Young core of jonathan. Coming moses moody james wiseman jordan pool commingle gets the highest ranking actually the warriors the tier two point five designation again not expecting jonathan to make an all star team in the next couple of years. He's going to come off the bench. i'm not even sure he's gonna play much of a role at all. He might be at tier five player in next year for the golden state warriors given the upside and where he's at and what team saw in the summer league. I think they're pretty confident. That by year. Four or five. We're going to see jonathan kalinga. As a potential all star moses moody gets that tier three point five designation as a starter. James wiseman who was ranked as tier two coming out of the draft drops down to tier three designation again. I'm not sure he's going to be a great starter for the warriors next year. But that's where they see his long term potential and let's not cannot jordan pool. Either things really talented guy gets a tier four designation. Certainly at some point. Especially when it's time for klay thompson and for steph curry to hang it up could end up with that. Tier three designation said antonio is going to be rocky spurs fans. I think this is a team that has young talent. They've lost most of their veteran corps. They don't have any superstars here. They don't have any tier two to your one guys right now. Devon vessel is the guy that i'm personally highest on of these young players He's a tier four designation here. Which i was a little bit surprised again. I'm a little bit more bullish. I think you probably should have had a tier three designation. I think he has tier two potential kelvin. Johnson gets a tier three designation lani walker the third tier three designation offer them. Joshua primo another guy tier five seemed a little bit harsh. She's only eighteen years old he's going to be in this ranking for really really long time and certainly seems like he could achieve higher than that a lot of general managers were shocked that he was taken in the lottery thought he was much more of a late first round or early second round. Pick which is why you're seeing some of the tier five designation happening here and we'll just see the spurs have been right more than me in the past when i've disagreed with them. Maybe they're right here and joshua primoz a tier three or tier two guy. It certainly within the realm of possibility that collins another guy that was just sort of tough to gauge because injuries he clearly has tier three talent but injuries have really slowed him down. He gets the tier five designation here. The spurs should dramatically improve on their score next year. Because i think they're going to be a fairly high lottery team next year. I think they're going to be somewhere between fifth and seventh worst team in the nba next year. That should get them a tier two or tier three player in the upcoming twenty twenty two nba draft. All right well. That's the look at the future talent. Rankings the teams that have the best young cores under the age of twenty five when we come back next week. We're going to talk about the top twenty five under twenty five. This time. it's going to be a player ranking one through twenty five who the best players under the age of twenty five using the same sort of methodology that we did before. But we're gonna now put them in rank order and see who are the best young and upcoming players of the next three to five years in the nba. You can check all of that out at nba big board dot com or lower lease that column on tuesday of next week. We'll follow up with podcast next friday as well. You've been listening to chat ford's nba big board on the lockdown podcast network low.

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Glad that you got to go. We have on a news We were not suspecting so there would be this much news. Of course there is a summer league championship. That is going on tonight. We'll recap some of the stuff from summer league but a lot of mba news has hit as of the time that we are recording on. Tuesday morning Most recently there's been a trade that we will get to but before that news came down this morning that joel embiid had signed a supermax extension with the philadelphia seventy sixers It was announced that He signed a four year. One hundred and ninety six million dollar supermax deal that will keep him with the seventy sixers through the twenty twenty six twenty seven season The deal guarantees embiid a total of two hundred and sixty one million dollars because he was already set to make sixty five million in the next two seasons under the terms of his deal so This is going to make. Joel embiid a very very rich man. Of course he finished second in the kia. Mvp voting last year to a yokich And he was already signed through twenty two twenty three but he was eligible for this supermax and they gave it to him. And so what do you think This is kind of news. I was not necessarily expecting this morning. Yeah it's it's very interesting. I mean even ramona shelburne noted in there that he represented himself in the negotiations earlier. This year he left. ca for a beat here. Good for him dude. you know. Congratulations get that bag No reason not to sign that deal. Now get that long term security. There's no reason to wait because he was already eligible for accession. you know. There's always that. Talk in recent years. Chris you know if it ever becomes an either or question for the sixers embiid or simmons that you choose to build around. I mean we're down that path already. It's all joel embiid. It's all dwell on ben. Simmons is the guy that you know whether it's now or training camp or sometime during the season that it seems inevitable that he will be moved just a matter of for what how much embiid now. Just twenty seven years old still in seemingly as long as he can stay stay healthy he still getting better every year. I mean this version of him. We saw last season. there could be more To untapped from him in a situation in which the pieces around him change if you get him a great primer point guard that we may not have even have seen peak. Joel embiid yet. Well not only. Did they have an outstanding record last year just to put it into last season when he was second in the. Mvp he averaged twenty eight point five points per game ten point six rebounds and his splits one percent of the field thirty eight percent from three eighty six percent from the line his twenty eight point five points per game with the most points per game by a center in twenty years shack in two thousand and two thousand and one so this is put into context like it was a historically outstanding year of actively for joel embiid who also brings a lot to the table. Defensively look. There's we've had this conversation many times over the years when joel embiid is at his absolute best He is on par with any great player in the league. And you can only say that about a few guys. But he's one of them right when he is at his peak powers he can for a series for game be the best player in a series that includes literally anybody in the nba. And so if you're not committing to him i mean to me. He's eligible for that supermax. If he's willing to sign that deal you sign him to that deal end of story. You mean like no no. No these are these are the. it's a matter of. does he want to sign it. We live in a day and age. And i do think again. You never know the way this stuff is going to play out but it is another guy that is you know not disenchanted with this situation. Nothing's can always change but he has not been you know playing in eastern conference finals. He has not been playing an nba finals. And yet he is not disenchanted and believes that he needs to go elsewhere in order to accomplish his goals and i think that probably says something about him and his comfort level and how much he likes being in philadelphia. I also think more importantly it probably shows that he is a level of trust in daryl and the brass at philadelphia to build a team around him in the near future. You know and not in not waste any more of these prime years. But you know. He's got some level of competence in the organization and so it seems as if much like the situation people are going to have to come to him. He's not gonna be going and trying to pair up with somebody else in a different situation in order to try to win at the highest level. And i think that's good for the league. I think it's good for the league for the more guys to be spread out slowly. I mean yeah. No doubt about it. And i mean for philadelphia. We'll see how this ben simmons saga unfolds like an upset long said. I expect us to role in the training camp. I expect daryl morey to wait as long as he possibly can to go for. Damian lillard whether or not damian lillard becomes available to the extent that the blazers are willing to dance and actually make a trade remains to be seen. But if you're thinking about the next stage of joel embiid beads career and his development. It's what he has never had before. And that's a permanent oriented playmaker. I mean jimmy. Butler wasn't a knockdown shooter. Keep fit the role of a guy who could increase from the perimeter. But he wasn't a shooter. If it's a damian lillard whereas bradley beal or even if you end up settling for a cj mccollum for that money our buddy healed a buddy. He'll even for that matter. I in ben trade getting somebody like that changes the things that you can do. John b we have never seen him paired with point guard that allows him to screen enroll hard to the rim. Like we just haven't seen it. He hasn't had that partner so with embiid. If that's able to be something that he can do. Post ben simmons trade achot open up a whole new world of possibilities for him in the half court In terms of how he can get buckets and how he can impact the game. So i'm excited for embiid sixers fans everywhere Pretty cool out there joel. Embiid has turned into the guy that he has absolutely. And i do think that if he has a level of confidence and darryl to be able to trade for a superstar. It is well-founded because that's a that's a circles. He runs in as they say. Look what he did in houston. Attainment of superstars is his thing he had chased mcgrady big e had james harden and then paired him up with chris paul he then he'd fared him up with russell westbrook like a if there's one thing that he's been able to show it said he believes strongly in the talent level and the attainment of superstars. That's what you have to have you. And i both heard him talk about this That that's what you have to have in the league and if the decision is they don't think ben simmons necessarily fits that mode If you i think you have nothing else to look at his track record which is he has shown the ability to go and make things happen to bring in and to attain multiple stars And that wasn't necessarily like he didn't do that by getting someone to signed there. He did that by trading for guys he did that by trading for james harden. He did that by trading for chris. Paul he did that by trading for russell westbrook and not all of the deals are you know worked out. But if we're saying can he find someone to pair with joel embiid. If they don't feel great about the particular painting that they have right now. I think there's no reason to believe he won't. It's just a matter of yeah. Just a matter of who. Fed opportunity is there and ultimately. That's what he's waiting for. I mean this offseason. They hired phil becca as a coach and consultant beck. Ner has long worked with damian lillard. I mean highly respected trainer for one full. Like why do you daryl. Morey is doing that. You know he's creative. He's creating that you know connection with dame to help increase any possibility that he can't dame has puts the sixers on his list granted damian lillard in his position with four years on his contract. He doesn't have a lot of leverage to steer his way to any particular team. But with ben simmons being as young as talented as he is like. Let's not. I mean like you know you know what. It is ben simmons. He can't shoot but he's an elite defender. He's a great playmaker and in different circumstances he could be even better offensively that because he could limit his weaknesses if the personnel around him different. So for ben simmons still has value and darryl maury still has a lot of his picks we saw tyree maxi look really good. This summer league still had some young talent on the roster philadelphia. If damian lillard becomes available could put together arguably by far the strongest package depending on how portland feels about. Ben simmons so i think for philly here. It's worth the risk in waiting for deemed baby become available or maybe become available. And if those guys don't then you find the best deal possible. I mean it's not going to go away. This episode is brought to you by the united states army. When you become a soldier you have more than two hundred pass to choose from. 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Smart trade rumors last year and i reported That when i saw the celtics there were many involved that believe that marcus was just simply not himself last year because it took a tremendous mental toll on him. Right there when you when you're a heart and soul kind of guy and you love where you're play and you'll have your guys. Whatever would he. He was paying attention to the news. He knew the news people were talking about marcus. Smart trades all the time whether it was for in aaron gordon deal or whatever else and it got to the point where marcus had been resigned to the fact that he was going to be wearing a different uniform and i think that anybody that watched him last year knows that you didn't get the full marcus. Smart experience Regardless of your opinion on him as a player at his best he is certainly a player that has shown the ability to affect winning in a big way And also be that kinda heart and soul life of the party guy in the locker room that kind of thing and to be all in when you think you might be wearing a different uniform in a couple of weeks. And that's kind of how that season went. Was i think understandably tough for him. Dow whatever the best of marcus. Smart is i would assume that they will get that Coming up because they took that. Worry for kim off the table man really the four. They did in terms of security though kevin. Actually yeah. yeah when you're sitting on the last year before eighteen million dollar deal and they may ship to orlando dome saying now stand toe real thing and then you like all right. Then i'm going to have to go into free agency. Who does where. I've got play next. Or whatever else at least dow roy got seventy seven million dollars no matter what you do with me. Yeah i mean the reason why say that is because i understand. There's some confusion with the timing of the league calendar. My understanding is that the deal signed. Let's say it signed today. Today is august seventeenth. He will be eligible january seventeenth So that would be head of the trade deadline for any south expands. Who are wondering about that. Or any wizards fans who might be wondering about that as well on the other side. of any possibilities but for boston and marcus smart You know Obviously you signed a deal with the intention of keeping the player and marcus. Smart is the heartbeat of that team and long has been. He's a love of our hate him guy right. I mean. I think we've seen you know. Marcus smart giveth marcus smart taketh away and i ultimately think marcus smart in the right circumstances can make those impactful moments in playoff games to swing a series to swing an individual individual game diving for loose ball rotating over blocking a shot constantly making hustle plays and i think what the celtics roster as they build this thing out if they can get marcus smart down from eleven shots per game to seven or eight that that's even better passing less shooting more defense even more defense in like it makes marcus smart and undeniably lovable player. Because there's a lot of skeptics understandably so because sometimes he takes too many shots but may may maybe now like you diminish that you lower that down a little bit and you get the best possible version of smart. I have long. Been a proponent of players like kim though that it does i truly believe that it goes beyond the box score with him and profound the fact that you have on your teammates by being the kind of guy that cares deeply about winning and losing you know i mean and you can say that. Yeah everybody cares if they win or lose but it doesn't it doesn't bother Everybody the same way. And that's the guy that goes and lays his heart out there and you saw. He was one of the guys in the locker room in the playoffs. A couple of years ago that stood up and was screaming at everybody like that to have him as sometimes as a vocal leader but always as a a leader in the sense of when you look at him and you see how hard he's playing. I do believe it raises the collective level of play amongst his teammates. And that's what i feel like. They didn't get last year right. They didn't get that the best of marcus. Smart is that all in. I'll dive in the fifth row for a ball. I will you know because not only did he not know if he's going to be wearing that uniform and a couple of months he doesn't know what his contract status is going to be in a couple of months and all manner of things that could have possibly distracted him or caused him to not be the guy that we have typically see but i think at his best that is The keeping a part of a lot of winning there with young teams and and it's not like he was just an innocent bystander. To their success he was a significant rotation player. To a team. That i think probably outperformed that a roster a few different times by making it to the eastern conference finals and they were right there you know and he was a guy getting big minutes on that team and so i always been smart fan. I am a marcus smart fan. How could you not be a huge you grit and grind. That's what marcus smart is right. Symbols qualities that you know self expands have long loved loved with both tony allen. You know who helped bring that to memphis the all time. Tommy points leader rest in peace time. He really might be the all time leader itami points. Lord knows. tommy tommy heinsohn man. I miss listen. South extremes with my dad watching tommy heights. It's the mike orman the smart. Oh my god he love marcus more. You know what i mean anyway. I think you'd probably get the best of marcus smart and it's not a it's not a crazy contract it's not. It's not a crazy contract and even if you are thinking we want to use him as a piece. I think you need to get the best of marcus you know. In order to make him. I think his stock right now is nearly as high as it could be. Because he's got a lot of fans around the league but he also did not have a good season and they didn't have a good season last year right. There was a lot of people that truly fell in love with marcus. Smart where they were making those eastern conference finals appearances and he was making game winning plays at the end of playoff games. Like that's the kind of thing that they did last year was just a. There's a disaster. It'll be interesting to see. How with. Dhaka how i ooh what the offense looks like. It looks like and how balanced responsibilities orcas you bring back al horford as well. Who's going to be getting some of those touches some facilitating opportunities around the elbows from the perimeter I i wonder like what is marcus. Smart swirl gonna look like. I would assume he's going to start over schroeder You also have josh. Richardson in the mix there. Now as well peyton pritchard. Who's hab an awesome awesome. Summer league grabbed that. It's just summer league But he had a great rookie season as well as late. first round. Pick so you get a lot of guards in that backcourt nevermind. Tatum and brown. That are going to get a lot of opportunities. That are your star player. So you're gonna see a lot of lineups with five guys that can handle the ball on facilitate. I mean on paper. I know like the selling said an underwhelming stephen season. They're only five hundred but on paper. I love what the celtics have interesting on haber and we'll see how it works out but on paper. It's hard to defend a team. That is five guys who can create and they can roll out a lot of a lot of lineups that can do that. A lot of combos in fairness they also have and we're gonna get summer league later but they have reason to believe that they might be able to get a lot more participation from and development from their young players that they drafted last year smith richer. And whether or not you get you know a grant grant williams to attribute or you get. Romeo lankford really contribute. If we're just talking about last year's guys niece and richard the idea that those guys would be able to contribute this year is certainly after summer league Much less fetched if anybody found it to be farfetched and perch i mean. I said we'll talk about him later. Where pritchard he. He had a good rookie year in his summer league suspend i mean he looks dominant dominant yet another story. We gotta get right four. We came on the air today. Another in the mold of vargas smart Type player patrick. Beverley and patrick beverley had been acquired by the memphis. Grizzlies in a deal. Four eric bledsoe when the first deal took place and the memphis. Grizzlies traded up to get the number ten pick in the draft and moved. Yoenis val in tunis and acquired stephen adams. Eric bledsoe one of the things i talked about was this is moves to make moves and i do believe Wholeheartedly that they really wanted stephen adams. They think adams can be a deal at defense quarterback Adams's still young. Shockingly young considering how long it feels like. He has been around how much he has changed. Outrage i mean i thought he was in his mid thirties traded for a mike. What for only twenty eight years old just july twentieth stephen adams being twenty eight is outrageous. Anyway you know. They feel like he can be that kind of defensive quarterback a bodyguard for job play pick and roll at those screens. And you need a center for the nights that you gotta go up against nickel yokich and you've got to go against joel embiid and you got to go against guys throughout the league. You need somebody. Formidable to put in there be able to deal with them and you can do a lot worse than him. it's also a big bet on the development and Step up for jaren jackson and they take these very good fit against With him and think that jaren jackson has gotta be logging minutes at center. He's going to be five eventually and going to get a lot of minutes there. And so there's a a way you can play two different ways. bledsoe within an hour of that. I deal it was already reported. The bledsoe is not going to ever play advice. Oh analysis of how he would fit in with the team Wasn't wasn't worth a crap And i kept saying. Just let it all play out and we'll see because if there's one thing we've learned about the way the grizzlies a function it is. When they made that conley deal it ended up. You know branching off into about a million different things. You know where they move. Kyle korver this way. And then they acquired the anthony mountain and they do like they used what they acquired for. something else. same goes with this. They used what they acquired For something else. They moved bud so to l. a. They get back. That bev rondo. And daniela toro. My initial reaction was thorough. Won't be a memphis. I dunno where it ends up. Rondo i would be stunned. If ever shows up in memphis pat beverley. i thought maybe maybe he tweeted out. Green grind yeah. Yeah maybe maybe he would salosa on the on the other hand. Your best player and rising star in the nba is a point guard. Spent more money than most teams on a backup. Point guard still ties jones on their roster and so sinking in twenty something million dollars into backup point. Guards is not you know be. Something's gotta give either ties. Jones is gonna be on the move which he didn't give any playoff minutes. So that's what i thought might could happen. But instead this morning they flip beverly to minnesota for wacho hernan gomez and jarrett kover. Pretty good deal. I like it. It's funny yesterday on the ringer. Nba show jay. Kyle man and i talked about the clippers grizzlies trade and we didn't really touch the grizzly side all that much because there's nothing to discuss. It's as you said. This was a wait and see deal for the clippers. You know we talked about that blood cell. Maybe you know in a contract year provide some upside or like we said with smart at some point with non-guaranteed deal he becomes i've trade. It's pretty simple for the clippers side of the grizzlies. There wasn't much to say but now there is jarrett culver only after two years. You go from the six pick to this. Is your value for an expiring and patrick beverley for the grizzlies. Like hey why the hell not. Why look watch. Johanna gomez is a player guy. That like watcher watch watch. Okay play and jerry. I can't believe they got jarrett. Culver in this deal. Like i still have my culver stock. I get to come by this honest. We've talked about him before. I told you when when i saw minnesota playing person. He didn't even get a minute and i was like so times. Sometimes guys get caught Now we'll see what happens with his career but some guys get caught in the middle where he was. He was traded for You know on that draft night. He ends up going with the sixth pick in the draft. That was the phoenix deal right. The starch deal ended up going into the draft He's drafted very highly. I mean you have coaching turnover. You have front office turnover an all of a sudden you have ownership turnover and all of a sudden you look up your two years into your career. You've had three different guys on the bench. You guys at the front office. You got different guys. That are going to own the team and it's like okay. Who was the one that like loved me believed in me like once upon a time and that guy's long golan right like you're not anymore some times and and i will say this For many different players throughout the league. And i'm even going to give you a little bit of You're going to like this whether or not frank. Ntilikina would've ever become something better than what he became in new york. It is without question now again. Some guys maybe. They didn't deserve to get the long rope. And they wouldn't have developed into whatever. But when you add that many coaches and front office turnover and all of a sudden that guys that brought you win are no longer there. That guys that actually had stock in you. Aren't there anymore. But you got a great chance of being buried right because what happened. Even to him was a few years ago like in key developmental years much like culver in key developmental years. Who did they wanna look geniuses by taking their starting to lonzo traer. That's they started because the guys that took pregnant akina in the top. Ten eight there anymore. The guys went and found alonzo tree here and want to look like geniuses for their ability to write they go and now all of a sudden david physio is startling are trevor. That's all i'm saying is with somebody even like neil akina but he got caught in between where nobody is all that interested in making sure that he develops so that makes them look good because sometimes the is responsible for you sometimes. The players are sometimes the coaches responsible for you. Sometimes somebody in the front office sometimes. It's the owner. But they're gonna make sure that they exhaust every opportunity for you to reach your potential and and they'll stick with you through bad times in order for that to happen. You know once upon a time. I thought the grizzlies should've given up on my calmly. I'm honest about that couple years in but everybody here their coach. He's the one that stumped for him so he was gonna dam. Sure that mike conley whatever was going to become. He was going to reach that potential because he believed in him. But when once the people that believed in you are gone. Your your chances of succeeding. Low and i mean ultimately will see wha- jared culver i mean there's a lot of question marks of him he's had some injuries His shot has not developed in the way that you would have hoped for that sometimes when you watch the wolves his confidence he had none of it. At times he would make a mistake on the floor and the dip his head or get frustrated. I it just seems to me that you know whether it's the mental side or like i said the production on the court with the lack of the jump shot. He wasn't working in minnesota. And it may not in memphis. You know taylor. Jenkins is a very good coach. Very great motivator. Hopefully this is the right personality. Mix for culver but even if he gets confidence he still needs to become competent shooter and for memphis. That's going have to be the thing for him right now at the stage of his curry still only twenty two years old. Still super young look. He's he's upside. Play your trading. Patrick beverley who didn't even suit up for you and you got beverly with bledsoe. You're essentially trading bledsoe for jericho over and deal and like the grizzlies now. How many how many guys may have under contract right now like seventeen or eighteen. So this is the ads. Like there's still more moves to happen whether these are cuts or whether there's more trades the grizzlies still have more moves to make to iron out there. Also but i'll tell you what chris. I mean whether the team whether the grizzlies are better or worse in terms of record. That doesn't that doesn't matter this coming season. It doesn't matter. If they're better in terms of record i'd say this team took a step forward in terms of fit around jama rant and building this thing out because you mentioned earlier with stephen adams he's your big bruiser and now you get a full season of jaren jackson junior who can not have to worry about rebounding. He can do his thing on the perimeter splash on threes. Coming off street doing all things you see guards and wings do and on defense. He's at his best as that mobile versatile. Piece on the perimeter. Right now at this stage. So i think for him. It's for the best for jobs for the best. And ultimately the development of those guys and desmond beam you know coming off the bench or starting you know getting these young guys. Continue getting better. That's what the roster is all about and you know with this fit. Why not add jarrett culver into this mix and see what happens well and they must have known that this was coming or possibility. Yeah well say that right. Yes set this up in advance. Because it was very curious that grayson. Allen started a lot of games for them. And i will tell milwaukee fans grayson allen. Is someone who i was around. I have never been more i have. I've never been more shocked at a guy that i had a perception of him but then being around him was so radically different. As your percents. What how thought he was a duke prick that trip and probably like extremely arrogant. Whatever else grayson. Allen is about the nicest guy you could ever meet. It is shocking. Trust me and i tell you this is someone. Like i i know. All the antics are the court. I know his teammates loved him. His teammates in milwaukee gonna love him and anybody that comes in contact with them ends up walking away not believing that that's because he. I guess i just thought he would be. You know. I don't know a prick. He couldn't be less of a prick and he'll help milwaukee but anyway they moved him for very little like that sam merrill and nothing deal so. That must've been okay. We know we're bringing in another guy that's going to need this. Go log minutes. 'cause you already got desma you've already got the anthony. Melton now obviously jarrett kover another guy. that's going to be able to get some. We talked about a guy that had a great summer league. I let me this is why you gotta let these traits flush out when they move out now and we'll see what becomes of the rondo or tomorrow that kind of stuff but yet move out eunice and the seventeenth pick. And you've got stephen adams zaire williams jarrett kolber and wacho. 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It is the kings and the celtics I saw the kings got the day beyond mitchell experience and my goodness zip on He at least certainly was as advertised as a defender Also i don't think he gets enough credit for his offense. He's got a bag of things that he goes to and can be pretty dynamic at times and the shooting which i know was a thing going into the draft as he hadn't really been a high percentage shooter but shot a very percents from three last year in a short season. Just watching him shoot. I think he's gonna make shots. Kevin i do. I mean i think the guy. I think this real he does not look. He doesn't look like a guy that like got lucky that he made a bunch of first season. he looks at guy. Shoot to me. It could shoot off the dribble not just like stand set. My feet shoot stuff. He can do the step back stuff. He can do the crossover and create some space in. Shoot stuff he could shoot off-balance i I liked him. I did and i know you talked about some of the celtics guys so anyway. Just those two that are going to be playing in the summer league championship. I don't guess we're going to get to burchard. Left right. he's back. he came back. He went to hit like the pro and scored ninety two points below the logo. Threes he's back to wintertime pritchard. Mitchell is amazing. Then it's gonna be great drama. Yes yeah great stuff to watch tonight. Yeah but yeah david mitchell. He's been great Great to watch him. I think his half court scoring efficiency. According the synergy sports is a little bit lower than you might expect for talking small sample sizes here like it's nothing to read into it. It's not much to read into the numbers here. Because he looks dynamic. He looks very much like the guy. We saw last season for baylor so david mental looking great as a number nine. Take gonna be very interesting to see. I mentioned this on the ringer. Nba show yesterday with kyle. It's going to be interesting to see how they work out. Those three guard lineups. The kings believed that you know mitchell can play some three independent bigger guys. I look forward to seeing how that works out over the course of the season and still with buddy healed. We'll see if a move happens there too because they have a lot of guards and the smaller wings rotation and i also think on their roster kedah Their their second round. Pick big man. I'm a big fan of kate. I thought he had a good career. Utah state. I liked him before the draft last year when he took his name out a necessary stock. Maybe as much as he expected to still only went thirty ninth. Instead of last year he was projected around like forty five to fifty but kedah looks pretty good. Man seven footer. Out of portugal played two years at utah state. Great shop locker a very very very you know mobile up and down the court and transition. I like his game a lot. And i think he was a nice fine for the kings in that second round so looking at their drafts with mitchell in kedah dated a nice job there and on the other side of it with boston. Mostly a lot of second year guys. We mentioned knee smith earlier. Who really sucked the beginning of last year found himself late continues to look good in summer league here in really shoot he. Can he can stroke. Threes dude really can and his defense has gotten better as well than then. It wasn't college when i had some questions at the college level. But he's gotten a lot better there. pritchard we already mentioned here miller. He's been terrific for the celtics. And then also i think some other guys like sam houser has had some good moments. I liked house or in the draft. I think i had him ranked in my top sixty really good shooter. The celtics have a really really strong in deep summer league. Roster set around pick last year this year as well. Romeo lankford has been up and down. Still yama dr has had some really good minutes as well on the defensive end. They're going to get a really strong summer league. Roster what is fascinating to me. Is that while it will be the kings and the celtics and it's gonna be fun to watch tonight. I think it's fair to say that the team that rightfully feels best about what happened in summer league And i know there's gonna be some people out there that role there is like sean desert matter but it it. It does in terms of a fan base that sees their young players and it gives them a tremendous amount of hope that maybe things are looking up for those young players. I would say that the team and the fan base that rightfully feels best about what took place this summer. League is the knicks. Because obi was fantastic quickly was great last night. They got the kid from houston took. Lay grimes hit six threes and ends up with twenty six six three assists And then they're the kid. They took thirty six miles. Mcbride you know had some real flashes of athleticism and production To route this and so that young group of guys of course. The knicks wildly outperformed expectations last year in their first year under tom And there wasn't a ton of when you're once you become once you're good you know. We talked about the how difficult it is to serve two masters and develop young players. Get those guys on the court while also winning games every night and tom tibidow plays guys like julius randle and guys like rj barrett forty seven of the forty eight minutes in my so. There's only one minute available for somebody else. It at least two positions on betty night that he's gonna play derrick rose and he's gonna but quickly because i thought he looked really good. I liked him a lot when i saw him. It'd be interesting brought back rose. They traded for kemba. So who knows where he really fits in in the mix of rotation-wise though he had a very good rookie year and opie was not in the mix last year But you know. I kind of defended him a few weeks ago. When i said people have already decided what a guy like. Ob top it's gonna be and like the story hasn't even begun and i was glad to see him have Some real success at summer league this year and maybe it's probably a little easier to see him getting minutes more minutes and fitting it a little bit more What do you make of the quickly thing and kind of i don't know with kevin rose i. I don't know quickly built on his has ver- here. Ob top and has as well. You know the grimes and and grimes and mcbride right. And then not only that. I think the one guy that hasn't gone a lotta mentions because mcbride and grabs have been so good has been rocus. Yaacob betas There other rookie drafted with the thirty four th pick. I think he's had some good moments. Granted the out. I don't think he's played in every game for the knicks off the top of my head but playing limited minutes off the bench. I was impressed with him as well. He's hitting shots. He's talented playmaker as well. So you know they. They draft draft night felt like a bomber for the knicks. Because they didn't get the guys expected with their two first-round pigs they traded down. But this is why you know. It's so hard to assess these things on the night that happens and sometimes you have to wait for things to pan out to see how how an entire draft foale talent entire offseason unfolds. Because all three of those guys. I've looked pretty solid and some really granted. It's just summer league it's summerlike. It's very important to remember that here but early returns first impressions of these guys. Knicks fans have excited. We saw those guys get real minutes last year. So topping quickly. Yeah but we with the rookies that they have grinds. I saw a lot of college because he played for houston So i i saw play against those memphis teams several times. He you know he was kansas. Kansas recruit even massive recruit like five star so that was a huge get for houston that he transferred there. He's quaint garage was supposed to be the lottery. Who is a huge school. You also get a acquaint. Grimes credit because he's turned himself until like a a three in the choir. I mean he would. He can really shoot man he ran. He gets. Shoot it this. He's an older guy. So i could see tibbs actually give it minutes and him being able to contribute quickly. You know You know it's true we've seen that with many for your players right. It's a different. It's a difference between whatever like rick carlisle being willing to play. Jalen brunson Minutes but not a tyrel terry that they took from stanford right like the some of the older coaches. You know if guys that are just out of college. I have played all that much It's a lot more likely that the season college players are going to be able to get some minutes for the older coaches in the league. That are less concerned about development. More concerned about winning every night. Because somebody like clinton. Grimes theoretically helped you win games. Yes year not know about it. Especially i mean look like i said quyen. Grimes entered entered kansas a totally different player than he exited houston He was more of a shaky inconsistent shooter. Who was more on ball guy. Entering kansas outta high school is a top recruit. he leaves school as a guy. Who's a rock solid hardnosed defender and a reliable high-end shooter. He made some tweaks. His shooting mechanics became a reliable knockdown shooter. He shot over forty percent last year with houston. He's shooting over forty percent in summer league with the knicks on a high percentage. I mean on a high number of shots per game issued nine per game and similarly. This isn't like you shooting two or three per game It's not like you're you're otto porter hate where he doesn't shoot up where he doesn't shoot a lot of them. Crimes does shoot a lot of them and he makes them at a higher two so good like a really good draft for the knicks overall. So far especially mcbride but ride mcbride has been so frequent fun to watch. Dude oh my god i mean. I've seen the memes. You see the memes going around and fly over the basket like he's posting tik toks. He's going momofuku his jersey. He's already coming next magic while the other is regarding that grimes think houston one. A billion games the last couple of years right. And how many times have we look back man. Well how good were they are How were they so good in many times. What we'll find is. Oh that's when so and so was there and the guy was in outstay ended up becoming a notable. Nba player As time went on and you look back at it was like oh. That's when clinton grimes there they've been Been outstanding. I mean boatload games and they they had a couple of guys throughout summer league Honestly that houston team. That was able to That we're able to play nate. Nate hinton was a houston kid. That was on teamed deke. Giraud was on a was on the houston team Who else armani brooks. That kid is on the houston team. So i mean there's a bunch of them from the cougars. It ended up getting to play via. Grimes is good. And i think the knicks knicks fans actually are rightfully excited But all of bears into who is most excited. And that is you and i. because why's that curse lower excited. Because luca garza garza and our hope that luke garza could actually become a real. Nba player that guy that one collegiate player of the year and yet nobody wanted and is drafted in the nba draft What ended up with twenty and fourteen or something. Last night he was. He was outstanding Again he has dow signed a two way deal. So luger's who does nobody been. It's he'll end up getting four The pistons but luca garza signed a two two way deal. He of course had a historic collegiate career at iowa. But he was you know by all accounts slow-footed big played near around the basket and so was of no use to people in the nba. And yet he made threes. He put up to huge double doubles and in their finale. Last night ends it with twenty one point and fifteen rebounds and got himself a two way contract so the luka garza dream is still alive after getting selected fifty second in the nba draft. He was good and he's fun. You know he's a real throwback but I i love the idea of becoming you know. Just the there's i went back and looked kevin. There's never been a guy like you by where this has happened work. I becomes the naismith player of the year in college basketball. Nobody wants him now. Not all of them have panned out. I e like the tyler hands boroughs but tolerance was like a lottery pick. I think frank mason might be the lowest and he was like at the beginning of the second round nobody. There's not even close to being selected. Fiftieth or fifty. Second whatever you've picked. I'll tell you what. Chris lagaras the the offensive skill. No doubt about it in terms of like what he can provide shooting can pass. He makes all the right decisions. He's a good finisher inside all of this stuff. The question still is going to remain. What level can he reach defensively. He's definitely better than he was in college. Undoubtedly better and i. I might be getting like ahead of myself here. But i do think he can at least survive on defense because he's smart because he has good positioning Rebound well coming off the bench in a limited role. At least i think he can provide that for you because you're not bring him on the court. You're giving luca garza minutes because of defense you be giving a minute because you want an offensive spark a spark off the bench doesn't just come from you. Know guards dot just like an jamal crawford right. It's not just that mold. A spark ham can come from a kuzma right. Six eight six nine or can come from a near seven footer. like ours doesn't always have to be a guard so maybe that'll be his role in the nba. As long as he can survive on the. That's going to be the question. Still and as long as they can. Rebound the last line of defense is rebound rebound the ball. Well he's always been able to rebound the ball well. I view rebounding punctuation ends. The possession ends the sentence right. And he's you know he's a five that can shoot threes like you're gonna have to come out there and i don't know man frank frank tank can have a career. This guy can have a career you know and the differential tank got finals minutes. For god's sakes probably didn't want to have to give him finals minutes but he did And when you just drive cunningham and he got some nifty guys sadique bay and whatever having a five that actually does have to be honored outside of you. Know the the free throw line slash three point line That's what everybody's looking for creating space for their dynamic players and i'm hopeful because i felt bad for the guy right the guy's best college basketball player and nobody wants him like. How does that happen like it's never happened. Ever not even close. There has never been an amazing college basketball player like that. That won that award that somebody didn't draft like in the first thirty five picks or sippy one hell of a story yeah So anyway yet. We're excited. I ended up being excited about luca garza I had i thought the summer league. Look i i was terrified that when that first game got postponed but much like the nba season. They were able to get this thing done. Which is rather impressive. Given you know how scared everybody gets every time. The turn on the news right. Yeah the especially with everything. That's gone on in vegas. But they were able to pull this off where they had the entire summer league and they had fans there and we're going to get a championship game tonight peyton pritchard versus debut on mitchell through amazing. Amazing all right. Well look. We don't have much time until These teams gotta get rosters together. I was told i suffer a month. A little over a month phil training camp hours was told. Yesterday i think teams are getting their drafts of the schedule. Which would make some sense. Because i saw Adrian was already putting out some different possible gains. Stay supposed to be announced today so by the time this part is out. You'll probably know the christmas day games. Okay we'll because those are ones that don't change so what happens. Is the league sends out there. They spend a lotta time putting together schedule. They send out their draft to all the organizations and then organizations have the opportunity to go in and say. Hey you know we'd rather not have this or there's some kind of conflict here or there might be a possible conflict here. Is there any way we can move this this or this and usually very very very little changes which is why you will start to see reporting coming out in the next twenty four to forty eight hours about who's got games when because it's supposed to be From from what i gathered teams are going to get those within the next twenty-four hours thus that being reported because as soon as everybody gets their somebody's gonna get the reporters on the phone and say. Yep we play this team then. We play this team. Then you'll see those leaks at the schedule. I believe for the purposes of fans. You me and everybody else planning you know their Their upcoming season I believe that. Friday because i looked it up and i haven't found anybody put that anywhere but i think friday Is the expectation of when the schedule would then come out and everybody will be able to see and all we know now according to loge. Is that trae. Young and the hawks are going to return to face the knicks at madison square garden state. And then we'll see the nets in lakers at staples center potential finals preview. Lou nets lakers is already according to words the to christmas day. Two of the christmas day games asked amazing durant. That could be great. Yes this is going. To be going to gracie's it is going to be a great season and we'll see you know. Obviously we're getting a lot of news with contract extensions and trades and everything seems like every day. Now we'll get the schedule and then we'll get these teams now that summer leagues done. Everybody's gonna flush out roster. Try to figure out who their fifteen guys are and training camp like. You said just over a month away. September early october. All these guys are going to be rolling up. You know another season another short off season a lot of people around the league. Are you know looking forward offseason. Already a lot of executives doesn't feel. I mean a number of players said this. It's felt like the bubble to last season was one whole season. This is a short little break. It's kinda similar hair. Yeah think it's going to be another great year. And i'll tell you what we saw this last year with all the code stuff and you know some of the injuries depth is going to be important with another short and offseason here. Some of these deeper stronger teams They're built to withstand whether it's injuries or cobra protocols or whatever more so than some of these. Shallow teams are so that that's going to be critical this year. More than any other last thing. You obviously did the quick trip to las vegas. Had some meetings When you were around talking to people there was whether it was agents or players or was Executives whoever it may be the you're talking to what did you sense that people were talking about the most what seemed to be the the most common conversation or things that people were buzzing about their. I'd say the bulls and the lakers. But those are the those are the two teams that came up in every conversation Like how the ball's gonna fit together. What's his team gonna look like what's their ceiling are they are phoney team. They like a great on paper but not going to be great on the court A lot of talk with people about ross in the lakers how he's gonna adapt how he's gonna he's gonna fit in there What sacrifices he'll make or whether he won't have to make any at all Yeah so those two teams were brought up the most and of course people are talking about. What's going to happen with ben simmons. I'm in everybody. Everybody continues to feel and believe in think base. You know there an information that the sixers are going to wait on this until it comes a moment they have to make a deal and if that means things are uncomfortable early in the year. I think they're is going to be willing to do that. Because he wants damian lard. It's simple as that. Daryl morey wants damian lillard whether that works out or not remains to be seen. but that's as play. We'll find out how if he has to go to plan be. Cd or what But what happens with ben. Simmons is the big conversation. I'll tell you this. I don't blame them for wanting him carrying right he's like he's like one of the few best basketball players in no kidding and vassal chances available on a couple of right now i mean who knows. We get any day like that could happen right. That could happen. We've seen this happen before in the past where it doesn't seem like something's going to happen and then boom it does so you know hold on. You never know where we're like. Three more making jump shot videos away tweets by a lot of people to to you. What's celerion my god. All right given a good week. I'm sure there's gonna be a million things that take place before we get to speak again on friday. But i'll talk to you on friday. Thanks to articulate producer. Sasha a show as always talk to you on friday before to address.

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HR 1: ELIMINATED!

Mason & Ireland

49:31 min | 4 months ago

HR 1: ELIMINATED!

"Ma that's a. That's a half ass growl right. Ed growl in me today. I don't even well. I'm actually. I'm upset i'm emotional. I'm ragged i i just. I don't understand what happened last. I don't understand what we saw. Anthony davis we had five minutes. He looked i. There was no way he could have or should have been playing. I don't think right so much unpack. I'm glad we have three hours. I may actually use this as a therapy session. Make sure your role and the patient and puts you more in the role of the themm here. I'm here for you. And so i as since you brought it up. Let's talk about the game. Yeah all right now. I know it's just one game. I know the season's over we'll get to all of that. We'll get to what happened this year. What happens next problem. Let's just talk about last night. We were both there and i agree with christopher rouse as much as i would love to blame you. It had nothing to do with you unless you would have been willing to double team devon booker. Which is where. I would like to start. Oh for god's sake devon book very frank. Vogel is an excellent defensive coach. I've had long conversations about him by defense. He knows defense. He lionel hollins the same way that coaching staff hangs. It sat on the defensive end of the floor. Yep normally normally if a guy goes off early they will take the ball out of his hands. Yeah alright they will do things say okay. We know devon booker is cooking. Let's make somebody else beat us. But for whatever reason they waited until the second half to make those adjustments and booker. Mace one thousand nine points in the first half of game. Yeah quarter of game. Five more last night. Yeah thirty three three last night at the half they quote unquote limited him to fourteen in the second. Half guess yes but by then the damage had been done. I was very surprised. Anxious when frank has a chance to wind down and we can talk to him about it. What happened in the first half with booker because booker. That was his fourth thirty point game of the series. Yeah and he was so good. That the lakers just couldn't catch up. That was number one number two. They went to the small line up late and it worked. It did work. But i wondered in an elimination game scenario. Why wouldn't go to an earlier. Start sooner. I agree and and third to address. The anthony davis thing. I really think. And tell me if i'm making too much out of the world. We live in now. But i really think that was social media and with all the talking head shows and i'm not making this up. I really think when charles barkley throughout that street clothes nickname earlier in the week. That the now that i i watched him play. I think the only reason anthony davis took the floor. Last night was so people couldn't continue to pile on. Yeah yeah do you. By any of that i do i do although i also felt like you know. Five minutes is what willis reed played in that famous knicks. Game from way back i think. Anthony davis scott on the floor because he thought hey. I may not be close to being one hundred. I may not i. I may just barely scrap through these couple of minutes. But i'm out here. I'm trying to inspire my teammates. I felt like that was going on. But i also agree with you. I think that the charles barkley thing is a cheap shot was a cheap shot when he said it. You can't help when you actually get hurt. And there was no question that he was hurt. What i and by the way. John the other thing. I just want to pick up on booker. So the the lakers were on but they blitz booker number of times in that first half last time he was just unconscious. Hugh hewitt hobie locks. Yeah he was making shots were he. Was well defended at point. I think he was six for six or seven for seven from three. I mean he was just absolutely unconscious and the best player on the floor last night but mace you can there in a you know we may talk to some of these players and hopefully talked vogel over the course of the off so yes i think what they would tell you is when a guys that hot you let anyone else beat you. You literally put three guys on him and and leave some leave maceio. Bridges wide open right right now. Jae crowder jay at one point during the first quarter booger was four. For four from three crowder was three for three seven of seven between the two of them so it was just one of those nights. Here's here's something. They shot fifty one percent from three. It's tough to beat a team when they're shooting fifty one percent for three okay. So here's two things that laker fans are going to think. I'm making excuses. But i'm really here. We go okay. Okay number one. I was texting with my buddy ben. Shelton today vincent in the show. That's ron shelton's nephew makers invinci- giant laker fan and he was. He pointed out to me. He said you know more times than not and lindsay saw. This happened when she was living in cleveland. More times than not injuries. Determine a champion. Yeah that's think about this in two thousand and twenty one when the lakers wanted. Bam bio got hurt gordon drag. It's got hurt. The lakers one in six. They probably should have won it in five. Yep in two thousand hundred twenty michael's maintains that had katie and clay not been injured. The warriors would have walked to that tight. I i agree with michael okay. Twenty lindsay was at twenty fifteen that the word apps first title were kyrie. Kevin love both went down and kind of left lebron by himself doc rivers swears to this day kendrick perkins not blown up his knee in two thousand ten that there's no way the celtics lost both game. Six and game seven. The laker people will tell you in two thousand eight when the celtics one when andrew bynum trevor rees both got hurt that was it and in two thousand and four one of the finals that i was at the lakers. Lost karl malone. Everybody says that season was a failure. People forget carman didn't play against the pistons. He was injured in that series. So my point is those. Those are just examples of the finals. But anthony davidson lebron. When they were in the court against phoenix the lakers were fourteen points. Better than the sons when he d and lebron got hurt. And i'm not saying that. The lakers shouldn't have accounted for it. I understand that you know lebron's thirty. Six has an injury history but maze. If those guys would have been healthy right. I think the lakers are into the second round. And i'll take it a step further. I am stunned today. Stunned and i know we live in hot. Take world where world hiring hot. Hot take really stephen smith the and we'll get him on. We'll get steven a. On the lakers championship window with lebron is now closed. What are you watching you. If anthony davis lebron would have been anthony davis the brunt mace. We saw in two games in this series. We thought colin coward same thing. It's closed they're done. Lebron will never win. Another title with the lakers. What look the the lakers. Even now with these injuries are tight for team in the west. Sure sure. I don't get why everybody's jumping in a gang sound ready. Horry people jumping off the boat left right and sideways. You believe that the lakers will not win another championship with lebron i. Don't i believe they will not win another championship with this. Cast will visit means around those. You know that these guys. It's a rub pulling broke up a team that won a title this team. I mean goodbye. What's matthew goodbye sure goodbye. They're they're going to be a lot of guys on here. The team at its heart is a fragile superstar and an aging superstar is fair. Yes but it doesn't mean that you can't win with that in. Let me think you weren't living out here yet. You're little your kid. Yeah but injuries. Mace swing every okay. So remember johnson in one thousand nine hundred when he was rookie went back to philadelphia and had that unbelievable. You'll kareem got hurt. Magic played center. He had a triple double in the lakers. Sixers and one magic's first title in the nba. Nobody remembers what happens. The next season the next season and keeping my kareem was about the age. Lebron is now aging kareem. Magic blows up his knee. Mrs forty five games. They go out in the first round to houston. That didn't mean it was the end of the run right but the age to the next four final without question in my mind and you may disagree without question in my mind. Lebron hit the summit and his on his way down. Do you agree with that. Well if i face the music that we make each other face yes. Every player is either ascending or descending. I can't dispute. Lebron is on the back nine. I mean that's obvious. And i wouldn't have said that. Last year last year i would have said longest peak in hit longest plateau in his today over the space. Them out. okay. But here's what i will remind you of. Until he got hurt until that freak play where solomon hill took him out and he screwed up his ankle. He was the leading candidate to win. Mvp journey he that good. He was that peak. You're talking about. I mean they started out. Twenty one and seven and lebron look great and look great and we thought we were cursing. And so i i tend to write this season off as injuries and i also think rob pelinka is going to do his thing. I think rob's going to get into the lab and he's going to tinker and this team you saw last night will not be the team that takes the court in october. Yeah now okay. We normally save phones are always open today. We actually mean it now. We actually made it yet. Today's that time. Yeah we know that a lot of you don't agree with me. Don't agree may have your own thoughts. Some people probably actually do want to blame mason. Some people actually do brain. Lebron some wanna play. We will take all of it on eight seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven seven. Seven ten three seven seven six and he heavy dose of laker calls today. And i have to tell you. I was really really discourage slash pissed off slash depressed as the phoenix suns bludgeoned us in the first half last night absolutely bludgeoned us and to me. It was once again a continuation of the lack of energy. I mean frank vogel said we'll see how much we want. this rat. First half last night did not look like they wanted it. That okay the senate. Fa came to fight the second half. They came out on fire. Cut the lead. All the way down to ten in the fourth quarter could not quite get there but i felt like sluggish terrible sleepy awful first-half okay so i'll just tell you i'll give you my perspective on on how i felt last night at no point mason. You know this. Because you and i have talked privately at no point. Did i ever think. I wasn't going to work until the end of july the act. I made no plans. I turned everything i mean. I basically my life is. I'm gonna be working through the final. Yeah right when the game ended last night. And i got home. I don't. I don't disagree with anything you said. I think those are all fair. Criticisms when i got home last night i could not remember when last season ended and this one began. I know i had a seventy one day break. I swear to god. I can't remember it. I feel like. I have been working since the start of the championship season. And remember that that was the season and got kneecap by the pandemic then the pandemic it. We shut it down. Nobody knew what was going to be. We started it back up. The lakers won the title. We didn't get a parade. They started back up at christmas. I thought i was going to july. I am as mentally exhausted. And when i got up this morning. Lisa looked at me and she goes she goes. I just realized you never thought this was ending now and i. I didn't say i didn't think it was ending right. I just i part of it is because you and i are kind of glass half full guys so we always assumed they would figure it out but i am so mentally exhausted so think about this. I just work every game. I didn't even travel during this whole grime. they did. I think rather than and again. This is not to dismiss your criticism. I think they were all fair. But i think it was possible that the tanks were all just empty mine was empty and i didn't even know it and i didn't even travel i just. We talked about it yesterday. Look at the final four teams. That went in the bubble. Miami swept boston loses and five blows up. The whole front office lakers out in the first round. The only team still alive is denver. And i think phoenix is gonna blitz denver. There's a bubble tax that the teams all paid. Anybody speaking showed up last. Everybody that continues plan remember. This is once again. A short off season which i think is a big mistake. I think they should be starting on christmas day instead. It's going to be what sack over five days until the for they'll start. They'll start before halloween right. the end. the end of this season will be. They'll be about sixty five days or seventy days between then and the start of the of the next season which is too short there. Basically asking guys to play three seasons in two years so now in this in this case the lakers have got a longer break than the teams that will go to the conference finals and rate finals. Same with miami same with and this is by the way. I'm not why no we'll get to this later. But i'm now all in on brooklyn because they didn't have a bubble tax you know they didn't have to worry about the bubble and i think that these guys are durant. Didn't play last year. Yup harden was out early. I think that you know. I just think that and kyrie didn't really do anything right. I i think like health. For milwaukee right beat them and hitting milwaukee has the little three right. They've got they've got Janas jrue holiday and chris middleton. That's that's a little three. It's not a big three. It's a little three. They could win. Milwaukee beat them twice during the regular season pretty easily but hardened didn't play in those games. But i think that that the teams that paid a bubble tax it showed up in ways like you describe last night. No energy bludgeoned is a word you used. They just came out and got hit by a mack truck and when they went to the whip to use a horse racing analogy. There was just nothing there. Yeah was too late. It was too late because they did play hard in that second. I mean they played. They wanted it bad in that second half and you know there were moments where i thought you know what gets down to ten. All the sudden fear gets a little squeaky. Maybe phoenix gets a little nervous. They haven't played race. I'll when they had to ten exactly what you're talking about. When they headed to ten there were a couple of threes. I think markeith more miss one in coosa that if they would have cut it to seven i think it would have gotten a little tight around the collar but they never that was right around six minutes left right right around and i thought you know what i'm not going anywhere. I could be here for history. You know high sometimes leave games. This was not actually. And i shouldn't say that i left with about two minutes left when i knew it was over. Yeah we turned around. And look for you. And i and mike mason leave and i went. Mason has never stayed for an entire cycle thompson. Told me to leave the actually said. Get out of this building. Now i was. I don't know if you were paying attention to twitter but half of twitter was telling you to leave to twitter. There were a lot of reasons the lakers last night. You as much as i'd love to blame you. We're not one of them. I'll i'll take the fall. Okay so let me say this before. We go to the phones. Here's something else it'll be hard for. laker fan. Admit phoenix deserved to win. They were just better. They were better. There's no question the best player in the series and deondraye ayton may have been the second best player in the series. And and if the lakers would have been healthy it would've been a different story but phoenix was better. They deserved to win. Eight seven seven seventy. Spn it is group therapy today. We're going to get through this no matter what you've got if you want to blame somebody if you want to just morn with us if you want to be optimistic and give us the glass half full scenario jump in eight seven seven seven ten. Espn mesa in ireland today after. We're eliminated seven ten. Espn poor me. Poor me by the way. You guys know that dennis shooter. He must've heard that enough of that. He actually put his bio description. Back up back up. Yeah who was shamed into doing it by the way. One of the thank Corey anderson over incompetent got to go out there and deliver the mason backyard. Barbecue packaged ham. Really great guy really loyal listener He says he always agrees with me and disagrees with you john. So how can i complain about that guy. You can't and i'm going to start doing that. I'm gonna go out. Start seeing the people more demand. The people amen so the people today are restless. They are upset. They're sad their morning they're angry. They're venting now. The quickest way to get on the show is to tell the screener that you disagree with one of us like cpa in. Hacienda heights disagrees with me. Hey you're on seven ten. Espn how you doing man. Oh man been better. You disagree with about specifically okay. Well basically everything even saying this whole series Well you did say we're gonna go a game seven so i mean you did. You did understand that. This is where we're a good team tries wrong about that. When went six. Close enough enough though coast. I it was better than michael. Papas guess We're going to sweep no. I had seen phoenix bunch cpa. And i knew they were good. They had a good coach. But i really thought that the lakers and i still think had they been able to stay healthy they would but you know what staying healthy is part of the deal being available and not getting hurt as part of the deal. So the lakers failed in that area and or they were unlucky. Hovering wanna look at it and phoenix took advantage by the disagreement. I wanted the disagreement. What do you disagree was. That was the agreement part now. Here's just so we're talking about you're talking about. We stayed healthy. I mean i know. Ad probably wasn't as healthy as you could have been gained one also did have. What was it thirteen points. I'm anna terrible. Yeah and i mean he was. He had a couple of games on his about by the end of the season at that time he was i mean he was on the cork fantasy screaming. He was back against before the season ended. So i mean he goes out there game one playoffs every go and you. You put thirteen points on the board right now. What happening hames two in three. Cpa he i mean he did what he was supposed to your exactly and then we we all we all love that but the thing is we shouldn't have to wait until game two in game three because that could that could have been the difference in this series if you take back game in phoenix game one and then we take game two and now we're coming back home to you. Know what. I mean ryan but instead he comes out thirteen points in lost. He didn't even look like you want. I mean i'm not gonna say they wanted to be. There can never challenges heart. But it just seems. I don't know it was weird Also to wanted to speak about. I don't even really 'cause we're talking about injuries. But i remember when we wanted to find those last year. I didn't really hear too much of us on the radio. Talking about you know the injuries of the heat. You didn't care too much. We were just excited. That won the championship actor. If we can't now that we got yesterday was given close booker for fifty points on our head in the closeout game. I mean it was. I mean injuries or not i mean even if ab was there i thought is they ab away. Thirteen points of devon booker. He has thirty four. I mean you know. I mean exist better team to win. You're right. they were better team. Phoenix doesn't have the second best record in the league by accident. Thanks they just don't. They had a really good year. That's a really good team. There are young in ascending team. Chris paul brought them a lot of leadership Devon booker is obviously the real deal. Deondraye eight who. I've not spent a lot of time looking at over. The last couple of years has really rounded into a really solid big. So yeah they deserve to win. I just go back to and this is the part of it. That's scary for me. And john you said on tv today steven was saying The championship window is closed. Now i will say this. Lebron is not. Lebron is passed the peak and is on his way down and we are locked in with a superstar. Who is undeniably fragile. He has spent a lot of his career. I don't wanna use the whole street clue but he has spent a bunch of his career injured and with an injured. Anthony davis the lakers cannot period flat out full stop when they can't right so he needs to be his goal is to do whatever it takes in the offseason. Maybe changes workout regimen. Do whatever to to stay healthy can day because you're right. It's an absolute critical component of all this. Here's andrew in your linda. Hey andrew guys been a guys. Been a fan for thirty years. And i was at the game last night. One thing i thought was was cool was win. The lakers were down. Twenty nine the crowd got back into it like the fans did not just all get up and run out like they wanted to see. Is there any fight left in this and there was and that crowd got loud a twin that second half a couple times and i was really impressed with andrew. I didn't think about it until you just said that. That means we're nev- we never got full capacity back into staples it just hit me right now. You know how you last night had to be more though than the was about eighty five hundred thousand more okay. Yeah but but you're absolutely right to the call absolutely right that the crowd really got into it section in front of me. Cheer in shannon. I mean everybody was totally into it. So good good for the fans. It did feel more like an nba game. Definitely more than i think. More than the golden state plan game. That i was at i thought the crowd did a great job and they were really ignited in the second half and the crowd never gave up. The crowd never gave up on that game so andrew. What would you do moving forward. Okay defensively the team is so much dramatically different when not out there like i think people like people talk about. Maybe twelve or thirteen points away from booker. It's not just that he wreaks havoc when he's the like it. Changes everything defensively when anthony davis is doing his thing. And he's right. He's the best player in the underrated that him not being there. Good for chris. Paul being on the other side of this for once i guess is usually the end. One team goes out you know. He kind of flipped the script. When it looked like lakers gonna roll this thing and after the game three. You know it is what it is. I'm with john though. I'm exhausted as a fan honestly. I don't remember the seventy one days either. I don't work for the team right. If it's been it's been a long run here for the for everybody and stop players. Everything see andrew for the phone call. Thanks man hey. Let's squeeze olivier in here. She says it's my fault. Your fault scher livia. Why is it my fault back. Well you say that the lakers win in seven. And i think that is being the lakers. Lee can oh wait for a game. Seven that he has to be five or six livia. Michael said they were going to win in four. Yeah i said they were going to win and five. I wouldn't say no. I agree five four six. I thought because seven if we get to game seven then the other team says oh anybody can win. You gave them too much respect. Yes i not. I don't know exactly. But yeah. I mean honestly guys i just want to call because i listen to you every day and morning and i just wanted to do. People actually care about the lakers. As much as i do my door off this morning from one to ten. How was your mood our you and i from what i say. I'm devastated. And maybe not saved by. Yes i like very very very sad i can talk to you guys and say that i You and i'm so diller mazing going to the game all right go next year more normal. Thanks thank you. Hey to her point mace. What people forget sometimes is that this is a laker and a dodger town. No question probably in that order. But then there's a huge separation for who's ever third. It's probably one of the nfl teams. Probably the rams because it's not the chargers football when they're good is in there. You said basketball when they're good. But there's a huge gap between lakers dodgers. And everybody else. Yep they really do set. The mood of the city is point. If you're a sports fan and most of us are on a day like this you feel like you oeste friend. Or you lost something or tommy lasorda. Used to say every time you lose a little party you dies especially when you think you have a championship team and i did and you did. And so if you think you've got a championship team and it fizzles out which is what happened. Last night there is a feeling of loss. And i think that's what everybody's going through today. Yeah and you know the problem with it is actually. We'll hold that eight seven seven seven ten. Espn it is a group therapy session. The lakers have all the sudden been eliminated from the twenty twenty one. nba playoffs. They lose game six last night at staples center Giving you a chance to To call in and like a libya grieving with us grieving with us mason ireland seven. Espn you know. The problem is john. Is it happened so fast right. It's like you're in the playoffs. And then all the sudden bam it's over and you're left with this void like for example tonight the The clippers are going to play. And i'm rooting like hell against the clippers. But i don't have any appetite for nba basketball right now. That's interesting question like it's my favorite league. Obviously and i wonder how much now i'm gonna watch like i'm like you. I'm gonna watch this game tonight. I think the milwaukee brooklyn series is really ears. But am i gonna watch portland phoenix. Nope probably not nope not i. It's just it's it's hard when you're not in it like you become accustomed to you know what we were here for. Six years without being in the playoffs. Yeah so ignores learn be done. It can't be that was worse. we're in it. Every year. we won the championship. We have iran. we have lebron. You know we have the most fun. Gotta watch yeah. It's it's disappointing. It's over yeah. The immediacy of it is is that by the way so the lakers are going through exit interviews right now. Yeah and mantras heralds up there in somebody just asked him harrelson interesting story because the lakers gave him a two year. Eighteen million dollar deal with a player. A second year is his option right. Yeah is mantras harrell's option so he can either opt in and take it which means he'd be guaranteed nine million dollars or you could go to free agency where he would have to have a team that would be willing to pay him at least that if he didn't want to take a cut so somebody asked him how he felt about that. And here's what herald said. I'll just read it. I can't read it as cool as he does. But he says brother man. You're digging a little bit too. Deep into what. I don't have answers to nice. Try but like i told you man. The game ended just last night. I'm about to go home and be a dad. You want to know about that. You can ask questions but as far as my future with being lakers player. We'll worry about that later. When free agency time rolls around brother he worked brethren three times passive. That's impressive so he sounds undecided. About what you. And again the. If i was him and i just got sat for the first round of the playoffs. That'd be like I don't think they're using the right way. I don't think i'm getting the run. I deserved right. But what if your agent says okay you can opt out but you're next season salary. If you opt out is more likely to be five million well then obviously then you don't opt out or were maybe not i. I've always said. I would probably take less money to be happy. Yeah but he's playing with lebron he's playing with a d. I mean he's got a chance to go to the finals. Every year is here. I just think guys want their run. Yeah guys want to run and some of these guys coming out of the meetings. I saw wes matthews just came out. He says i'd like to stay with the organization. I wouldn't mind with matthew team. He's on a really affordable contract. He doesn't you don't have to play a major minutes and i thought he had some you know for for a fifteen minute a night guy for that salary for two three million a year. I know i wouldn't mind wes. Matthews would you You know it's going to depend on how these pieces wes. Matthews did not hit big shots when we needed big shots occasionally did but we need. We really need. This is the thing that we didn't have. We did not have shot makers especially in the playoffs. Yeah i mean. We just did not saying last year in the playoffs. All those guys found there especially casey p. Yet found his shot but this year so just had his exit interview he says hopefully we can return and continue a great partnership. But that's obviously for a later date. Now he's an unrestricted free agent. Right and word on him is that they think he's going to get a pretty decent deal like his deal might be like four years thirty six. So do you want to pay alex that too key. I love i love her. So what one thing that rob pulling has shown number one. He's not afraid to tinker and he's got a good feel for this for the most part about what he can do and what he can't do so so you gotta let them get in the lab and see what happens. Here's go ahead. I was just going to get to julian in long beach. Julian you're on ten. Espn hey guys. how're you doing. Good gillian what's better Just lewd on what you guys are saying. I kind of agree that they kind of need to just retool the whole roster shooter. They need to not resign shooter drum. Anyth- ago they need to trade coups mma And i mean. I think they for sure needed and crusoe julian okay. So here's what gets tricky. I'm sure rob pelinka would love to follow that blueprint. You just laid out but sometimes you have to look at what your options are like everybody for the most part is down on schreuder who turned down. Eighty four million for nine in game. Five right played decent last night but every scored twenty last night. They got throttled. Yeah what if there were no other options out there you know. That's like for example. He said don't resign. Andre drummond that seems to be where that's headed but what if there were no other options for bad guys drums not terrible right and this is this is a really good point and one that i'm sure we'll dig into more as we get into the off-season because it's going to be a long one. Lebron ad combined to make seventy six million if mantras given the contracts on the salary cap right now. If montreal's mantras herald ops in we are over the cap rate well. They're they're going to be over the cap i think but they'd be able to go over the cap to sign dennis schroder they'd be able to go over the cap to sign. Alex caruso They'd be able to go over the cap to sign. Taylor and horton tucker because those guys are on the roster right now so maybe that you have to hand pick the guys on this roster that you want to come back next year and like that color. Julian said that we should trade kouzmin because coups de number great year when i had a good year at a bad playoff right. But think about this. You have to. If you're making a trade you have to have pieces than the other teams. Want in any deal to get another star player. People would probably ask for t h t and maybe coups because he's on a good cost controlled contract there may be signing trades involved. I mean rob knows. He was an agent so he knows this world. But he's got away it's easy to say trade player beat cut player seep. But you have to always couple that with okay. Who are you replacing them with right. Because if you don't think you can get worse you can. It happens all the time. I'm in favor so last year. Actually last year the roster was blown up at the end of the season right. Come to eight danny green javale mcgee and on rondo rondo. Those four those for this. And i didn't necessarily coming into the season. We thought this team just got better. This better somehow. They found a way to get better in the reality was they did not want the menachem thing. All those guys you mentioned yup didn't have good years travail couldn't get on the court. Dwight howard had his worst year. No but you can. You can isolate somebody on another team doesn't mean you. You can't have the same role in the same success on the team. You left right. Everybody thought and maybe he will maybe be tonight and sunday. Rhonda will save the clippers season. But he hasn't been able to yet. And i love rondo. I got fifteen million. If you want to. If you wanted to keep rondo you probably would to get rid of somebody else you had on the team so it it's not as rob's job is not as easy as people say it's easy it's easy to say. Cut this guy. Trade this guy but rob always asked to ask. Okay if i do those things. What am i. Getting back on the roster. Yeah you gotta have both into that deal. We'll get some more of your calls in here next. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn at one fifty five. We will give you fast track. A bunch of other stuff going on in the world and we'll do a little screwing around today a little bit sad day hard to screw around but we're gonna try to mason and ireland seven ten. Espn yes sir. Very sad so busy. You're working to double today. They're very sad mary. J. blige song double. Sure your reward for the lakers season ending. Was you get to work a double shift. Have you ever worked with those guys. Lintz i mean. I've worked with them all in different like they filled in on our shows before. But i've never worked on the show as a whole i- bergman tells me it is a nightmare nightmare. Difference that show everything for birdman. Can't handle it. or what about you. I hear you on that show. You're you're doing the board op and your got your mic on. How is that is just nightmare to work on that show It has his moments. you know. sometimes it's good sometimes. It's not but kids very very correct. all right. Let's get gabriel from hollywood in here. Hey gabriel you. You're on seven ten. Espn hi hey. How's it going everywhere. Yeah hey how's it going. How's it going happy friday. I thought we were gonna win. Game five just like a. We'll see jackson. And then i wish we had a little bit more More more energy. What happens by the way. Gabriel you glad you brought up o'shea i wonder where this ranks will have to ask him next time we talk to them on his list of career. Chievements makes you know that when a team gets knocked out the tnt crew does a gone fishing slide. I know did you see o'shea made the gone fishing though. Yeah he was is with leonardo dicaprio and couple of a couple of other famous people. Halsey was on halsey halls. Shame on there and tax shall see if he wants to come on may be. He may be really really. I mean he may be too depressed to make an appearance too depressed. I'll tell you what i'm going to say. Thanks gave thanks. You know what i say about this roster john tick tick tick tick boom blow it up blow it up blow it up tick tick boom to the only guys so just look i'm looking at is kc coming back. Obviously schreuder gone wesley matthews. Gone marcus all wish. We could rid of them. Wait a minute. I gotta remember who who you replacing these guys with. This is rob pelinka's job correct. They tick tick boom. We gotta find. You need to feel the team. I home entrees herald. Doesn't pick up his option you. Helen horton tucker drummond goodbye. Thanks for the plan to buy day for truth right there. Were just telling the charter done with those guys. If you can train them train them came really short in the In the post let me let them. We need to add shooters. We need to knock down shots. Like those guys jason cut to the chase. Is there anybody you wanna keep. Besides lebron ad. Yes i wanna keep caruso. Who's an unrestricted free agent. And t h t who is a restricted free agent. I'll just say this if you're gonna make trades because he's young and he's got a lot upside the first player they're going to ask you for. Is taylor talk. Yeah but he's an unrestricted free. I guess you could sign. And trade acre beleaguered. His bird rights. But here's what makes it tricky. He's eligible for a poison pill contract so in other words the lakers can offer him can match any deal. Okay but other teams can really backloaded deal for him. That makes it tough to match. If that makes sense so in other words right i think the first year he'd probably make nine or ten seconds make nine or ten then the other team can tack on this is the gilbert arenas provision twenty. Yeah twenty and twenty five now now. The problem is if you do that. And he taylor. Hundred tech and lakers don't match it then you're on the hook for one hundred million detail. Horton tekere and you blow up your salary cap situation for three years now. One thing that might help is that taylor horton. Tekere is clutch guy. Rich paul who runs at agency was sitting in the front row. He's got lebron he's got he's got. Kcpt he's got. Taylor horton tekere. They have a very good relationship with club. Show and i think they're honest with each other. So i think if the lakers want to keep t h t they will find a way to do it. So i have seen enough t h t to believe he's going to be a star in this league. I think he needs to even last night had some moments but i think once he starts playing a little more under control he is going to be a really special player. Well here's the other thing. He's twenty-one right. You should still be in college yet to me. That's whatever he gets offered that's you gotta match that crusoe. I don't know if they're gonna. They got his bird rights. I mean if he gets a three year. What do you think you can get three years. The rumor i'm having his the. I read article today. That compared him to what d- anthony melton the old. Usc guy got in memphis. And i think the anthony four years thirty six four between eight hundred eight nine nine million. He's been the lakers are so much better with him on the floor. Yes oh he's such a good defender in. I think there's a whole bunch of again. This is why you pay rob pelinka to do what he does. He's got to figure out all these equations do you agree with me tick tick boom. There's going to be changes. I agree with that. Yeah i don't know who will be here and who won't let's go to. Let's go to jalen. Who i think agrees with you. Jalen is a fan of the tick tick boom now and j capsule absolutely not anybody not see the big picture. Here go jerry west for crying out loud. Why can't we get him back. He knows the players. Why did you tear apart pulling championship. Team markelle song is just a championship team last year. Did he all the sudden. Forget all this stuff. He knew to be able to put together a team. That won the title. Hello and team apart. We'll wait a minute that you don't get it all like a song. I so you're you're saying. Why did you blow up the team after last season. Exactly exactly. That's why jerry west. Why didn't they wanna get jerry worth back along what he's done he's all the way why we even. What are the clippers. Doing what the clippers have had more trouble than the lakers. They still haven't been out of the second round. What are you talking about. I don't know the that. Kobe bryant did he not get acting like him all right. Thanks for the call. I mean first of all jerry. West is not coming back never ever. He's not coming back so you can. You can wind at the moon or holiday. Whatever you want wine house. Yeah no credit credentials are incapable talking about energy. I like her energy jedi but my energy today but his impeccable he there. He's probably the greatest executive in the history of the nba. To suggest that jerry right now has some magic one. He doesn't if he did. The clippers would be ahead three two and go into the next. I mean it's you rob. Pelinka won the title a year even a year ago eight months ago and now it's his fault i mean people have short memories. We got Fasttrack coming up next tick tick boom boom so earlier. This week we did a scituate. We did a story about debbie gibson. I said debbie gibson. It must be hard to be her. She's singing on instagram. It seems kind of desperate. Seems kinda sad. I ve very much question. Lindsay's point here but go ahead okay. Rolling stone the return of debbie gibson. Electric youth never dies. She made the world safe for pop girls and now she's back for more. Your died thirty years ago. John king of rolling stone has reviewed her new record and they like it. So maybe i was. They're calling. they're calling the electric youth of twenty twenty. One well lindsey. I hope you have fun at the debbie gibson gibson concert mason and i will be across the street listening to some debbie gibson. What are you talking. They are re-release or they're releasing lost in your eyes as duet with joy mcintyre from new kids and her and they both. Oh she and joey also a las vegas residency coming up in august september. Sounds like she's not. I mean like or not sounds like she's not done. I have to act like electric. Youth never went away win away for a long time. i just wanted to clarify. I don't really care about debbie gibson's music. I mean i know that's all electric youth and that's it but i made the point you know lost in your eyes. I've never heard that song. I think i'm pretty sure was born yet when that one came out. But yes you just want. I know i remember this song for sure. But i point you ripped on her instagram and said it was really sad and i checked it out the other day ever follow and then i noticed today that you know there. She's got all this publicity and she's releasing a new album and stuff. So i figured i'd pointed out to you that i think you might have been wrong about her. She's not a used. The term has been but she's not a to be. She's got a vegas residency. She's got a new album. She's got a review from rolling stone. Yeah wasn't her biggest hit. Shake your love within that a your law. You don't remember that song. No i don. I heard of that one either aston. You're is horrified. Fine shake your love shake. Your love was kind of a precursor. To what taylor swift as now but i think that was her biggest saying she's like because she plays more clean and everything's not sexually oriented guerande and megan these towns in this is shake your love song. Yeah so debbie wherever you are. I'd like to apologise. Congratulations on your success. You're not a used to be like. I thought you were now the last time you call somebody a has been. She clapped back at you on twitter. Remember when you made fun of elizabeth berkley. That is correct. Elizabeth berkley came area. Ken how could you move. I still i still say that. Show girls killed her career in martinez. And i say one of the most underrated movies of all time. I watch it. 'cause it's funny she you know it's funny. She's great in the saved by the bell reboot. She's playing elizabeth. Berkley elizabeth berkley. Elizabeth berkley in saved by the bell. Nomi malone very underrated performance. Yeah nobody does it. Nobody knows vegas like nomi malone or something like that gina gershon was. She was great. If you've never seen showgirls that's great just remember. Everybody is laughing. Except elizabeth berkley. Who's taking a dead serious. I coming up next for you is fast track bunch of stuff and then we will go back to the phones at two fifteen today to continue to let you vent and sound off and mourn and all that stuff about last night's lakers loss mason ireland seven ten espn.

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Debate Amongst Friends Season 5 Episode 17

Debate Amongst Friends With Doc & Prof

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Debate Amongst Friends Season 5 Episode 17

"Sportscenter laser gentlemen. Welcome back to beat amongst friends. I'll deep festival shotgun. Co host over here is doc. Lease that the podcasting beasts event ready to provide you with another fun edition of sports news analysis in the reads price. We did not have a lot of exciting things this weekend. But one thing i was per decided about and yes you heard correctly the undertaker. That's right people. All over the world all of a sudden wrestling fans coming out of the woodwork. All celebrating the undertaker what a magnificent career perfect storytelling great character development. It was good to see him. Go out on a hazard of note and not on anything crazy Say survivor series. Was pretty spectacular. Show in my opinion minus wanted to matches but the undertaker rob your thoughts your undertaker match thirty years. Oh really went there. Thirty years i've late so s- down in history. And this is my last fried as i rest i is. He earned years of made that slow walk to this rain. Lead people to rest and now my time has come soon. Yes doc you're completely correct undertaker thirty years. Great moments excellent matches i mean. I have memories of watching him live at madison square garden watching my siblings. Younger siblings get scared. The piss out of from an old school when he was rocking the purple and black They had a undertaker flag that kinda glow in the dark and kind ahead. Hang it up momma wall. So i kinda scared them by doing the gong sound that like three in the morning but favorite matches i mean i i mean they're just so many iconic matches the he had a may. I initially dank of the hell sell mash of mankind which was you know arguably the most iconic match because he threw a person off of a perfectly good sell than joe santa. Do a perfectly good sell. I mean i think about like his legacy with wrestlemainia you know. We had some hilarious back and forth about the whole brockley situation I still felt like that shit. Been it by perfect swansong for it. But i mean that's here or there but he had some great matches with shawn michaels catholic matches. Hell sal matches I really think he had the best type of matches against like the super heavyweights like vader yokozuna. Say his match against these or resume was good. I mean it's coming with the long term. It was at a where it was walter. Storytelling was like the biggest selling point for wrestling. Now we get top flight matches on raw. I think he has a way of bringing the best out of a lot of those clunky super heavyweights and you know for me. Like my childhood is defined him. Scaring the crap out of people like kamala imaging zuni again you know. And i think of that casket match where you know. He ascended from the monarch sir. Like that was a mechanic right mon. But each phase at each iteration of the take always had an iconic moments artillery without about yourself. Yeah i was thinking about that match with diesel i think it's because of the storytelling point. I remember one point him grabbing at the ring and showing him in the casket he did. It was really really good But i think my memories of the undertaker down from two things. My grandmother number one Who you know are our soul. She actually worked at a funeral home. though it was kinda like natural and normal for her to be like oh my god look is a dead man man because he misery libya so she would always call me or actually with me. When i go over there. Did you see the dead man on tv last night. Now like yeah. I saw but the thing that stands out the most than i probably don't story I'm pretty sure. I told the whole bunch of people but me and to our friends and my parents we went to disneyworld think seventh eighth grade and i forget what it was. I think we might have been coming back to new jersey in libya going back in new jersey. I we always get this kind of depression almost even now think about it. This is twenty five years ago. But here i am. I'm in a mood. I'm laying down china kiss Before we get on this plane back to new jersey and somebody taps me and they're like hey. I'm looking like well you know you wanna you know. Look at look who. That is over there and i tell you know i. It was the undertaker and he was on the phone. And my my my dad. And my mom's like his autograph. I was like ran out. Know at this point eight. Kp is alive and well you know and this is why even knew about gay fade but gave me super alive and i remember my friend. Tiffany is. He was there with me at her house. Frontier out there was just a human being like us and i was like no. She marries people right. I don't know if she tapped him or she said excuse me a web but he gave her the biggest glare of all time you could are choke slammed hair right there and i was like he was. He'll i think time. So like or maybe wasn't go way he's had that personas like gay just undertaker's not just out here signing autographs. And i think he was on on too so he probably really liked when all in. But yeah i got that mobility larry's em. I think that You know the later years. Of course when he went to the ministry of darkness and yet the house creating a time period furniture was going there hanging. You know stephanie. Stone cold from his simple things like that dropping blood everywhere. It was crazy. We'll try to artificially seventy stone code live on television to exam period. Crazy stuff That they were doing at that time. And then of course it mccain. I did watch their god doc. Yeah that's gotta be came. Yeah which that's the one. That was weird not to get too far with again on sunday when that came on and came down and his mass. And like you can kinda tell that mayor. Cain was was there because he didn't want to go over next to people it was like he was socially distancing to make sure that either get into trouble. It was funny when he got in the ring and it was like everybody else is shaking hands hugging a get zana's like he's keeping up the character over here and i'm going to socially distanced myself. That's what it felt like Year that's gotta became mankind. You know person then. I said only person that i thought should have been there or should have had like one of those moments in the video. Teddy long just saying one on one with with jam bat player. That's one on one with the prepping. Everybody win there really was some good matches. Yes although i'm reminded me of his is programmed. He had with randy orton which was really good too when he was playing the mind. Games like hemming. Go gust i would say like the best when it comes to like the mind games of things right goldust in the beginning i think because he didn't know. I think i read this and heard this multiple interviews. He said he had no idea what they wanted him to do. And and you know he went home and was like you know they want me to do. This just started going in and and that speaks about the evolution which is a mystery of a persona and make it become larger than life. Which is what the other taker ask. You know a made his character. Become so doc a question to ask you. He had so many wrestlemainia matches which one to you is your favorite match a question. It would be of me to say the one ray lost bracket no. I don be scumbag being hill with you that you could. Actually i think if i had to choose let me see. I'm looking at some of them right now. Just to refresh. My memory was plenty of you know. Twenty two them twenty one of them's use me now. It's like twenty four of them. I think 'cause he lost the last three lost to our last three. Yes yeah he lost to roman brock defeated seen him between belief. Yeah it was out though it did. It was a three count. Yeah that's my least favorite. Say that that one the hands down at least is still giant gonzalez. Sorry it's still giant. Kansas at least a senior one had a good story heading into it was a squash but at least there was a story heading into it. Yeah i think if. I had to choose one. I still think i'm gonna stick with the diesel one. I really thought that was a to me that at that particular time what they were doing with the stories really in the mind games either was pretty hot at that time. Yeah he was other things that i kind of wish you would have kinda stuck around and it would have worked some other things out. But he wanted the money i am going to stick with the click. And so my gut wants a taker. Michael's one chore. But i'm gonna say i'm to say that's one b but one a have the put taker triple h one wrestlemainia society. I understand that because because that kind of started that whole okay. Let's really put everything out there for these undertakings matches now definitely definitely Again one like the streak really like held more weight at that time right and i kind of liked the fact that they buy day acknowledged a streak but it wasn't acknowledged until like the teams. Yes you know. I mean like it was like hey like crack. He's actually on a winning streak on earth times. I would just like his entrance for wrestlemanias. Seventeen heading today's north against aaa cheeto clan that rock song on his motorcycle and he's able to just open it up down that long walkway while like all my then. The nash was just awesome. And that's the thing about it as really good about the undertaker and it didn't matter if they were big tall short like he really really worked with people. Yes you know. Because i think And this will probably be one the last stories. I was what who it was. Somebody i can. Whether was you'll probably know when i started on the story. I think they said the hit. The undertaker in back. And they're just like oh. My god like i just hit the undertaker. He's gonna kill me you know but the the undertaker like put him over a little bit. I think i really can't remember who it was. It wasn't even it wasn't even it. Was someone else it was somebody else. You may even eliminate limited yay sloppy afterwards tessa. Thank you. wasn't that one. The it was something really small might have been like the hurricane or somebody. It was somebody. Somebody like that At the daycare and then like anything like you know. Do this do that. You know really put them over or whatever. I don't remember top by head. I know i know. I know the story that you're talking about. I can't put a name to the face gonna not gonna miss ticker but you know. Hopefully wrestling doesn't get so bad that they have to continue relying on people like the undertaker who are a little older doc. That's what i've been saying for the longest. I instead that for the longest people have people have never heard it the first time so really does the first verdict is almost like something that i can say. Nia yet but folks for those. That don't have been the doc said. I've been saying this for since two thousand years. Probably around the tom rock. I came back for many. Actually when he had the wrestling match the rock a whole nother story. Cash dewayne war. That's a whole nother. I agree with though. I'm happy for the memories that can take gave us. I just hope they don't try to sully his name even further by having a russell again because vince loves sweet saudi money and and the life that he left behind. Has you know. No one's going to be able to step up to that anymore. Thirty years speak do that. I think it's okay if he wants to stick around coach you know help a character development because that's really what they need absolutely as somebody who can actually trust by on the scenes to listen to. I think that's the major part with been. He needs someone that is going to have his back no matter what. And that's what the other taker was. Because he had it up soon. Go the wcw. He actually did to go back and he chose to stay. Lord's visit men and vince always careful. Yeah and it really paid off and My thing ever somebody like the undertaker in the in the back would give people you know. Like bray like ron. You know some of those guys who you know we know should be pushed the somebody back there is not feeling that i think they would get that opportunity and the matches probably be developed a little bit better way better. I mean that's another. I will see what happens. Yeah and we'll Let him ride off into the sunset and with that sunset. We'll take a quick break and be back with more debate amongst right after this and we're back ladies and gentlemen. nfl week. Eleven kicked off with a bang. Really really low point for some players and some really high point for some players but nonetheless. We had football starting with the big news in cincinnati rookie number one overall pick. Joe burrow's out for the year with. I'm calling the dock injury. Yeah how's it didn't take me long to realize what he meant by folks but doc if you wanna get them some elaboration behind that so they'll know ninety nine years ago in another life when actually played basketball twenty years ago win to ten years he should have earned with the professor john gotti company and we went to play some basketball like we normally would on a tuesday. Actually it was tuesday. Actually guy said the man get. The stretching is know should stretch. I was like and league-best. James went out there. Playing against some bum authority was nice. And you know. I thought i was nice defensively so i went this deal. That was i did the other day my l. p. l. nc l. damaged my meek have once they talked about they start talking about structural damage. For joe burrow's i was like. Yeah that's the dock injury east. I mean they're saying that he's out for eighteen months unless he had like the he has dropped foot like i do the to have the correct debt. Maybe but i don't like after they repair my knee. I was able to you know. Put weight on it like that next week and rehabs pretty immediately but i mean i'm wondering if he had previous damage because i know i felt like i did and that's possible with these type of injuries to and we talked about this. How this is essentially in the year of leg. Injuries indiana nfl. Fortunately i feel like a lot of people were talking about. How a lot of hits that. He's beginning which doesn't really help. Anything which are can definitely see the point there but i mean i agree with block. I think there was some type of like for a lot of people may seem like it was just aches and pains but it was probably more of like a slight tear in some places as well to until. Oh hey look at that now. Malays all messed up all these other free conditions injuries as well to you discounted just played with it and i feel bad. I feel bad for him. I don't know what the bangles are gonna do now. I mean of course people immediately started to talk about. This is now to rookie of the year. Two win new. And i'm still. I'm still sticking by my guns and saying it's going to be justin herbert unless you know for often to live and interest in worse getting like i've been saying yeah he's been having a great year winfield also has been having a great year and also suggestion jackson. Yeah that's what. I was gonna say him. My adjust jefferson as well as claypool from the steelers chase claypool who has a ten touchdowns in ten games for his rookie year. Two which is a record into suplier is year. I did hear that which i mean. They don't really. I mean well it's talked. We talked about that on sunday. About how can we have these brandom stats woman. the mark. Jackson is one in five when the ravens are trailing after first-quarter crease. He's played so many gays and only trailed in first order six six games. That's crazy and you really think about it. Our strong team has been on under harbaugh. But that's insane. I know but speaking of those ravens. Let's talk about their gang because we had not one but two these teams that were about sorry about. We hit that panic mood. I gave the ravens stepping. Yup the ravens. The penny meter. See which i think they'll come off slightly. Yes we kill. It could be because now baltimore being a team that can only win plenty gins and then that was an ex point. Day seemed like to be that team that tends to win against bad teams. So i don't know if that puts the titans in that even though they've only lost three games you know those three games have been yes. I mean those three games have been you know against really good teams that i like to meet the arc about some other teams as well to that. We have to think about teams that a loss to i mean they absolutely destroyed the seahawks but the seahawks offense hasn't looked back good not i really have. No defense has looked look good defense really bad last week. It was a really really bad. But what i saying last week of baltimore capitalize on this but the the best way to beat the titans is to pretty much. Have a really really good offense. Do point where derrick henry can't be a fact nope but i agree with that. Yeah each of the bills losses. Look at this. They lost to the cardinals because the hail mary which we knew they lost to the chiefs reigning defending bill. Champions can't get mad about that and who they'll steelers to the loss to the titans so this was a essentially like three really good teams like you. Can't you can't sit there and be like well. I mean you know affected the way that their offense which so consistent and they tend to play better than it was kinda like with the rain but the ravens just just the look like they had though identity which is why that panic meter last week this next or next week the ravens gonna be in trouble according to sources. jk dominance and Mark ingram both positive for lovie. Yes they're gonna be relying heavily on the past yup and whoever else they Record run the ball. Gosh doc i just had a guy prohibition and it's gonna make baltimore ravens fans very unhappy to more it's going to be x going up at has not one. I'm using wrestling go that x. I could see it happening. Because they're gonna try to run lamar way too much. I don't know. I think words can carry the load. Eileen you never know i mean. It's awesome today's early week. Just tuesday wednesday. I mean they have until tomorrow or friday to test positive. I think two or three times or something like that. I don't know it's kind of weird the way they've been doing it doesn't run for fourteen days in the nfl. Like regular people. My gosh we could. We say that this has been a thing folks. Yeah it's like okay. I'm going to put you on this offer three days. Yeah thank you. Oh my goodness john take you off but it was good to see Twenty yards an offense. That doesn't really passed the ball so anybody can get it unfortunately markle's brown l. to a goose egg acrobatics fantasy artists to know. Maybe it'll be handing him the ball curve because they look so good and the browns have a better record than them in. You know we talked about this but the browns quietly. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe that's what they needed. They knew to quietly just way. They you say this aggression a lot. They being cocky they got humboldt and they learned how to actually win games. Better and honestly. It's not anything that they are doing. You know super right it. It just finding away with gains bakers dominating but you want to know who is dominating. That's reagan aaron rodgers. So yeah talking about this game hopers packers game. They came down to the leg of lincoln chip blanco. Who asked the on the pet mac. Show today which is pretty awesome interview. Unarmed and i remember him from the university of georgia. I mean really. I mean he's still good as you can clearly see one absolutely not like the guy that drafted in the second round years ago. No this guy. Actually deserved jackson high. Wow we're not gonna go there air while you said he still demonic. Come on blake. Ship did miss a fifty. Yarder which ship morton salt. Oh my gosh okay. But i did nece a Pity yada early on the game. So the fact that he was able to come back to hit the game winner. Which is pretty awesome you measure before. He played the sec for georgia. So he's used to being able to play in those high pressure situations. But i mean this was definitely You know back and forth. This was a slug fest. Folks i really enjoy washington's game servers. Looked like he became. Ageless which is kind of weird. Yeah and culture. Seven three day are on top. The esi south and foolishly i bench. Jonathan taylor tam. I've been. Mike davis i venture people. Didn't like being doc real quickly. We talk about this. And i mentioned before podcast. So there was some chicanery that occurred and bush sleekness that happened within the green packers fan base as a went onto twitter and they complained and even gave death threats to green bay wide receiver. Marquez valdes scantling who does not approached touchdowns usually for dropping a past that could've led to the packers winning could of not would've could've there was a possibility and he got death threats out of it that this article states that the death threats to 'em are extremely unnecessary. Like isn't that even extremely unnecessary. It's really just unnecessary. You put an extreme because somebody i realized. Oh what's not extreme. Like what's just unnecessary is really just unnecessary exam. I know that i get mad. Have had players. And this is something where i guess being fan goes too far. We're we're we're to wrapped up in these games. We take it more seriously than it needs to be like the states. The stakes are super high. You know like we will lose our entire salary. Catch you know what i mean like is doing much. Oh i don't know. That's what i said last night i mean i might end up just like not even really watching sports period as closely as far as from a fan standpoint of a specific team watch it just for the love of the sport and as i was saying i might need to broaden mara's so watch us different sports like soccer like hockey because you know really the major american sports are getting kind of rough ticketing boring You know it's getting highly toxic. It's getting kind of active oil. Try to turn on. Nhl twenty points one year twenty one or would ever want is the access route hockey. It's crazy when you think about it. Though because i think has like the most rules in any other sport and all of them but look soccer. I don't know what the rules are. What the heck is oxides saying. I can understand but yeah that's unacceptable for him to to beginning the reds. I know the packers. Are you know a prestigious franchise. No they have a lot of history in iraj is complaining of not getting the stars and that could be what it is. That could be one of those things which is weird because like he's he's not actually saying that though a-rod on off air and just use whatever talent. Yes he's like he's like. Yeah these receivers. That i have a really really good like right. They're just not in a big box office. Names like keep expect him to have and you know when they have moment like this. you know. everyone's looking at them like lectures lepers. Sorry persistent asthma. Which kind of you know. We sort of glazed over that for laugh with that punter situation. Why like we have this. you know. Well everything has to be perfect mentality. But we're not kirk ourselves but we're this isn't going to be immoral discussion. This is just going to be a football discussion with worse. And that's so crazy because falls right into you. Know the next game five hristo and that would go to the seahawks and cardinals where i mean that two teams have really really good receivers. I'm sure eras love to throw two hands down. But obviously we have russell wilson you go in calamari. Who got a little banged up. So i might be quarterback. Lists this week's i gotta go and see. His shoulder might be banged up. Keep an eye on that check out just a hair. He's asking really good weeks on fantasy actually year. He's available to take a look but this is a pretty good game on thursday. Yes is victory due to their defense which we talked about the most like we to we. We say something bold towards the teen or towards a football player and the very next week they play their hearts out to prove us wrong so shouts to the seahawks. Tough man and defense for china shutters up but you know one. Week is a fluke two weeks. Well like a pattern. So let's see it happened again. A carlos dunlap who was just signed onto the team with the game. Saving sack on column uri. So across coming over from cincinnati getting a a a situation. That wasn't good for him now. But he came up with a big tax and kinda murray mimi's questionable throws last drive drive. Yep it just didn't work out for. But they had a land for him. And i think i told you guys via text that you know i was happy to have started calamari over joe burrow's obviously hindsight twenty twenty But i mean they really really put the clamps on colin murray and gassing that this doesn't turn into a situation where everybody plays tala murray the same for the rest of the season their playoff hopes to win. I think calamari such a special talent. That i don't think that's going to matter so much know we talked about this with the ravens. And how that impacted lamar jackson's game. How he was talking about people are starting to figure stuff out and they're calling plays at the line and whatnot. I don't think it's the same situation. Callum be too concerned about that. Because i mean you had the raiders call james harden which. I'm going to be honest with you. I knew exactly what that play. Go what's he said it. I was like janey. Oh they're running into the three hole exactly what they're gonna do. It was so funny. When i heard another play call yesterday. I believe or one of these days. And i was like play call. Audibles are getting really really creative. Yes but yeah etchings. Hard one for the oakland raiders. Running the iso. How're yet So ridiculous but yeah. I would hope that they're not getting be plays. I hope it's not that predictable. Yeah bombing the biggest play will close out. This particular segment is to play. Calling is a lot more diverse than it is maddening. Twenty one. I went there docking. I'm allowing you to rant. But his last piece man you know. I'm gonna speak your peace. Seek your video in this. Because i definitely would include video adults brat. That's you've actually feel about matin chassis a video out there on our youtube channel ashley said i just feel like somehow limited the game and it's like i don't want to just rent drags slants ends because that's really all you can. Do you know it's really hard to run those other those other routes so i don't know we'll see what happens I'm i'm gonna give one more seems with the nfl elliott's bill. You can see gaming amongst friends. Both on our youtube and the ram influence But i'm even more seasons how turns out Like i said you know my husband said looking at the sports you know and learning some different rules that let's take a quick break and come back with more the amongst rent and we are back ladies and gentlemen back on the nba court ellen. We're not gonna have a repeat last week day or go all lower or no active hardwood except for christian that will get to later. Nba news agency is underway trays of incoming in left and right. The nba office is by working overtime at this home. So it's actually easier for them to do so actually try watching woes while typing up actually has tag wait for woes her woes But does a quick update. I know last week talked about biden. Bogdonovich who supposedly was traded to the bucks. He now no. I wanna go to your bugs. He actually wanted to the hawks. And the hawks have issued a four year. Seventy two main contract it which the kings have the opportunity to match which. I don't blame him. It's on a look pretty good. They're gonna be a fun team to watch. Yeah i think so. I think they're they're going to be more competitive with the players that they've received And they got more veteran dance what they need more that veteran ghana bitch. I know rondo high up. Eleanor i went to the hawks are. They're gonna they're going be more competitive with these veterans that they've added mildly. I wanted to mention before we get into this in the a free agent list is the pelicans trading for stephen adams. I thought that was such a crazy move with the thunder. Although i don't blame them. I feel like they're trying to get away from that. Whole regime had westbrook yup bike. Everybody's gone yeah. It's now that flip the switch that is to rebuilt. yeah it's been flipped now folks it is completely flipped. And it's i mean. I don't know what he's not look like this year. I know they still have deal. Just alexander the clippers. Yeah curse Neckers paul paul george trait and they're probably gonna want to build around him and i think that's going to be really really interesting to see his growth as a player and i'm looking forward to it i just wanted to. I thought those were really really interesting. Sites that free agent list obviously any still leading the lakers sign. Everybody and their mother under contracts so that he can go over the calf which i understand well understood but what. I was really surprised that boy. Oh brandon ingram if the eight mill a allies I don't get wrong. Love that the okay. Hundred million bogue dookie got extensions weekend ingram and my man in boston. I mean mindedness. They both got these extensions. I don't think he's taught wanna go too deep into that But wow boys gear. Yeah dinky five hundred and fifty eight million dollar player though so eager house. Pretty sure to let them walk. I don't know what they're doing. I mean the system showing that they trust him me. He's only what twenty three years old unless this is why they went out and got adams to make sure that they have somebody to rebound all missiles that makes. That's not untrue. bobby. I mean if they did that just for that reason. Then you know getting getting stephen adams is an absolutely genius. Moved in at the end of the day it really is. It really is. The i was pretty surprised at he got that. Msu yeah don't think. I can agree with it. But i mean muscian hope to that money. Then yeah me. And you'll be twenty by the time this contact the cap any parameters of the the specific specific the deal. Yeah contract here. But we'll see our values under the relatives. But someone who did deserve their money homey fred damn bleat as much as i will love for him to constantly york. The knicks definitely made some moves some questionable moose but moves nonetheless their fleet staying with the raptors was too perfect move for year. Eighty five billion dollars. He can obviously start for a team. But i mean he is someone who can be a very dangerous Six-man coming off the bench as well. And i like the booth. I only twenty six years old. He still at the problem his career right now and the raptors are still rather dominant despite what happened during the bubble playoff right and i'm curious to see what they're going to do with their other guards. I mean they did have a pretty good tandem. I don't know if they played together to buy him and calorie. Yeah i mean getting older. I mean it could be a slow transition to which would actually be perfect lariat a lot of money s s slow transition. I think it's gonna be pretty and that's going to hurt them. Is i would say if because you see john wall out here. Get you know. Get a few other players here right now. Lowry's about make a million dollars. I don't know what they're gonna do about lobbies contract. But i know they would rather not do bad because he's been such he's been so loyal to him after you know he's especially got burned and other places he has. I mean houston which. I wasn't gonna say houston i was gonna leave it alone. I was gonna leave it alone. I don't know if you will burn our seems look at it. I feel like everybody's been burned by houston really really would say dachshund brand by houston. Yeah exactly anybody has played for houston houston refuse. Feel like one point or another burned. Fortunately trevor Three-times earn notice but speaking of houston. I mean they did again. Christian would which allowed people were excited about three years. Forty one million dollars coming up his team that was they had a lot of heart but not a lot of wins. Yeah big and their growth is best to try to keep them in games but it didn't work out but stick with the rockets though. They did also sound boogie yesterday. Which is not a part of the free agent. I'm not going to add that. In now christian would ample coming in to move away from the small ball is going to be good. Hopefully they'll get some balance necklace. Alice has been talking about a lot of balance So we're going to see if that actually happens. Yes you know in and hopefully tucker can move more to a three or rather than four five you can play. Thanks to focus on playing guys closer to his eyes But yeah christian. Would three forty one women while i'm gonna stick with the raptors actually to use these two as one actually if you don't mind dark the frontline of their core serge ibaka markelle saul both leaving toronto. That was a he. That's a huge blow serge. Ibaka going to the next botham heading west. Actually which is apropos. Both go into the same city to but different teams. Senator baucus signed with the clippers. Two years nineteen million dollars. Marcus all siding with that team for two years and five point three million dollars is a big hit but i think this is the beginning of the rise up their young stars. I think as much as this move hurts. I think this is better for them in the long run. Yeah and i know they do have a young bigger to obviously they have crm or in the only reason that they get a chance to keep larry because those to laugh and they will need that can leaders to you. I've been really pay too much attention to who they were drafted so But the rich get richer. I mean the clippers. Get immediate replacement for the powerpoint. They laws an empty lakers get an immediate center for the senate they laws so i kind of made sense for them to go ahead and bring in those veterans obviously mark saul is a better scorer dwight howard i at least five to seven folds. Obviously he's a little slower. But i think lebron take arkansas. You know coming off the bench. Possibly you know to give them that scoring option or he starts and gives them that scoring option. I mean i just think them having a center that can actually stretch the floors. Cool a center that can still play to the basket which is something that they definitely. It's hard because the nba county. Don't really have the center position anymore. So it's really hard to say that he played back to the basket. Fortunately yeah he is so do it. But it's a matter of will they want to. Yes yeah. I like. And i also likes her. Go onto the clippers. I think surge will give them a little bit. Better scarring up. I don't wanna see keeping veteran presence. But i'm nassar championship pedigree obviously working with coli previously I think that could have been a part of his decision making to go here. It could be. He's still a great defender to exactly but speaking defenders and this is one. That really really hurt me. Which i still very moment. Don't know why we let him go. But the anthony melton grizzlies for years thirty five million dollars and i actually thought he was really really good like he's not really this score now. I think he's like the perfect guard in like. Hey a few years. If he wanted to he could be in that. Patrick beverly that class of defenders who can really really really play defense just box fox someone down defense you get your point to get to but ultimately where we're bringing in defense absolutely speaking of So apparently there was a better dig. Arnold in free agency. According to many clippers fans and mantras herald the reigning defending six player of the year when across the hall for a year. Ninety million dollar contract as say about it i have. Let's say you're in hill about this. This is one of the reasons why. I don't wanna talk about the nba. More not sour grapes. This has just been going on for a long time. I mean schaus sarah pelinka. He's doing a great job in his role. Leo para to him but like this is why the nba slowly becoming like madden and to k and things like that like what it's like is bittersweet as like the clippers almost a day or two later signed serge. Ibaka salt water planning sign in harrow. Beck know who knows. Yeah that's about. We have no idea we don't speculate here. We don't say things to fidel sake of clicks though. No we definitely do not do that. Espn so looking at the forwards and centers. Like the one thing. I didn't like and again i hate that. It seems like it's only the rockets that i'm focusing jeff. Green going to the nets. It's pretty ridiculous. It they agree to a. Do doesn't give me the details here let me see here Looks like it's going to be a one year veteran minimum contract. I re connecting jeff green to his seattle seahawks by kevin durant. Es slaying so we'll see how that transpires But i think what jim grain to the table will really really help them and sticking with the nets. I guess they also signed. They're forward back as well. Yeah joe harris which was also really really high number for you. Seventy five million for a team. That's trying to trade for james harden. It's pretty crazy. I got nothing there. So here's something that's interesting. Derrick favors heading back to his to the team. Athlete drafted him while he was originally drafted by the nets and trade over draft night. But the team that drafted him going back to utah jazz. Three years twenty million dollars a pretty solid defender. I actually like this move. Yeah i think there's some good moves throughout this entire list. Probably one of the last ones here. That i would mention would be your corner sending bobby portis. Who's kind of been bouncing around little. He's he's He's a journeyman year going from now the knicks to the bucks the buck's actually retooling and trying to get some Some some quality players are anxious to year. seven point. five million dollar deal is a really really good for them and hopefully that something that can be converted into some good. So here's one. That's pretty big. Though derek jones junior surprised leaving the heat and heading to port the portland is surprisingly getting some key pieces that they so desperately needed folks wing of winning wing defenders defenders wing. I don't want to just say three. In d i think they're getting a lot of wing players obviously covington. You're talking about how this gentleman here yet. Carmelo act so yeah. They're they're definitely making sure that they have those flexible four players that can stretch to floor flexible really the play multiple positions emails. And they also signed harry gills to thirty-two young center from sacramento over is while two for one year. Deal to pretty good as it. It's a pretty good player. I think the only other one that i wanted to mention because we talked about the raptors was rish. Chris bushier wish But i think he's the individual z. Also saw things. But i think bush is the guy that they're probably gonna look to police the likes of baca and ghazal. I mean i think you're right about the youth movement overseas twenty twenty something years old at this point. He knew the vassar old. Definitely a slow guy very you know not slow but have here. I mean it reaches out there hoping that you know again. Your knicks iraq. I'm not. I don't have that much. I am jack's lingering blackness of hope. Big it austin rivers and alec burks all. You guys aren't doing anything it's just. I don't know what the plan they're still with the yet. So wait and see but my last one doe trey burke heading to the mavs for a three year deal. I love this move. Trey burke who who was on the knicks who i wanted the next to keep but they decide to beat the knicks playing with present angus made. It begins tom. He's gonna be a great person for the second unit though 'cause that was one of the things that they were slacking last year was steck unit scoring true true second year born. Yeah so that's why. I really love this. Move like dat was there kilos. He'll last year. You know and i had to wash them live. Even though my next you know smack down. It was the second unit though could again. Couldn't get it done. Yeah and it just. Their second. Unit was always just a problem. So that's why really likes boobs mavericks though. Not not so often. We're going continue to monitor this agent list trades and any other news that comes out again. Ba you know will john wall but in a request request traded will james harden be will russell westbrook retreated. Kevin love arbitrary media. We shall see. Gosh we're gonna take a quick moment and be right back with again. That'd show we led to do something called the two minute drill or we go over stories and headlines that we didn't get a chance to cover during the show this week. We had three extensions as bam adebayo jayson tatum and donovan. Mitchell all receive five year. Extensions with their specialties. Robin and give me. What i want says cynthia cooper as she had an excellent player tribune articles speak about how she is a. Wnba's jordan. Back to doc rockets hire former. Nba center asada job as an assistant coach and unfortunate news for warriors fans as shooting guard. Klay thompson is expected to miss the two thousand twenty twenty twenty one season as he suffered a torn right achilles tendon. Our well wishes to him. Yes well this is indeed in preparation for the season. 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The Ben Simmons Podcast: How good is he? What is his value? Where does he end up? with John Hollinger

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The Ben Simmons Podcast: How good is he? What is his value? Where does he end up? with John Hollinger

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It's John hollinger, our dear friend from over at the athletic, the senior writer who writes about literally everything that happens in the NBA. I feel like John, how you doing, man. Good morning, mate. I'm doing great. I'm not a 100% sure that this is the absolute end, I guess we'll see what happens. He's definitely going to be chilling in Spain for a while, though. Yeah, it's funny. I think that Mark had an underrated year last year with Los Angeles like I didn't certainly the Lakers underrated it. Yeah, I was gonna say, like, I didn't understand why they didn't play him more, maybe mark's body didn't allow for him to play more. I don't necessarily have an answer there. Maybe there's something I'm missing. And look, I think that he certainly is something of a defensive question mark at this point. Just in regard to mobility, but he is so good offensively just due to decision making and shooting that there's still a role for him if he wants it. It's a minimum contract worth it for market at this point, given how much money he's made and given his legacy. Yeah, no, I think the most logical thing for him to do is. Hang out for now, gross some awesome vegetables, maybe work out with pal and Barcelona, you know, run his, you know, he's got his own team that he's putting together in girona. And stay in shape and then, you know, what a lot of these veterans do. I mean, JJ Redick's doing the same thing, right? It's like, I'm not going to sign anything now. Let me see. Let me see how things are going in January. You can see if I can latch onto a contender in a role and then I'll come out of my shell. Yeah, I kind of love that move. I think that's really, really smart for Gasol, and if it is the end, I hope that he gets the recognition that he deserves. I mean, proverbial gun to your head. Is Marcus all Hall of Famer? So let's acknowledge that I'm extremely pious time this. I think probably yes. I mean, he was a first team all NBA player. Pretty important international contributions for Spain. Defensive player of the year, multiple all star, I would say that's a resume that doesn't make you a shoo in, but probably makes you more likely than not to get in. Yeah, to all NBA selections like you said a defensive player of the year award funny quirk was that he was second team all defense in the year that you won the defensive player of the year award, which was bizarre in many ways. Three time NBA all star obviously won a title in 2019 as a starting center with the Toronto Raptors. And like John said, just incredible international contributions to the NBA. Also, I mean, just unbelievable hair when he was playing with Verona. If you go to his Wikipedia page I just phenomenal flow on his hair, which has to be respected. I think, in some ways, for his Hall of Fame case. Or envied in my case. John, I'm right behind you on that. Milk it while you got it, man. I'm hanging on, but get that get that Mohawk right now because in a couple years, it's over baby. Oh man, it's funny, like my dad has had thinning hair for like the last 30 years that he's just kind of stayed the same and just continued to thin out. I'm hoping for that graceful transition, but I don't know, man. It feels like it's going pretty quick. It feels like it's going to end for me in a hurry and I'll be on that ball bandwagon with you soon. Shaved or bald is that what we're going with in your case, John. Well, I can yeah, I mean, it's basically bald, yeah. I mean, you can say, oh, I shaved it, so you can't tell. But like, yeah, there's nothing there. Yeah. I'm going to be right there with you, but this is not a Marc Gasol retrospective podcast as much as I'm sure you would enjoy that. This is a Ben Simmons podcast. We are gonna kind of break down everything that has to do with what is going on with Ben Simmons in Philadelphia because it is by far the biggest domino that is still left to fall before this upcoming NBA season. I think that that's absolutely correct, right, John. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Because, you know, people thought maybe there'd be a Lillard domino or a Beal domino. There's just not. And that domino may come into play as the season goes on, especially if those teams disappoint. But right now it's just not something that's in play. Yeah, that's the impression I get as well and certainly all of the public posturing says that. I think is fair to say from Tommy shepherd and niobe. So Ben is the biggest player left on the board. And I think in some ways that helps Philadelphia and I think in some ways it makes it less likely that an easy trade comes to the fore given that there are more is involved here and that Daryl is someone who will certainly hold out for the best deal. But before we kind of get into the machinations of what has been Simmons overall value, I think it's just worth defining what Ben Simmons is as a player at this point. And it's an obviously very tricky conversation. He is one of the let's say 5 best defenders in the NBA, maybe one of the best two to three best defenders in the NBA. I kind of think that I've kind of said this for a little while. I talked about it on the podcast last year with Derek bodner. I thought that Joel embiid when he was on the court was Philadelphia's best defensive player last year. I thought that he was certainly their most important. He protects the ram in such a ridiculous way. He's one of the few guys that can actually completely shut down the paint when playing a drop coverage scheme. Where do you kind of fall on the Joel versus Ben, you know, defensive value thing? Because I think they're very complimentary. And they certainly help each other's value, but I kind of just think that Joelle's ability on the interior is more valuable than what Ben brings. I mean, it sort of depends on I mean, it's so situational, right? Because you're asking me to do completely different things. And it depends on who the opponent is, too, because if you're, I think if you're playing against an opponent who is must switch, then you much rather have Ben Simmons and Joel embiid. But if you can play Joel embiid in a drop, yeah. I mean, he's gonna be awesome. So and having that guy who can just eliminate the paint or come close to it at least, yeah, then he does have more value. So pardon my non answer here, but it's so situational between them. And I think it's a hard day. I mean, the one thing we see with Ben Simmons is that the playoffs, right? They increase his defensive value, but man do they truck as offensive value? So yeah, let's talk about Ben in the regular season first and then in the playoffs. So in the regular season, Ben is something like a top 5 defender in the NBA. He has made an all NBA team on the third team in 2020. Obviously he's made the all defense team each of the last two years. He is a really exceptional player creating threes for his teammates, either by grabbing and going out in transition or by playing as like a pseudo lead guard and driving and forcing the defense to collapse and then hitting kick out guys like Tobias Harris and Seth curry for open threes. He is someone that when he decides to shoot at the rim is an effective finisher at the basket because he has incredible body control at 6 foot ten, although I do think that there is something happening over the last couple of years where it feels like because of the foul shooting issues. He is a little bit more concerned to drive all the way to the rim. Yes. It's almost like a bigger taller more defensively valuable Rajon Rondo with the Celtics. It is almost where I'm at with Ben Simmons. Where do you kind of fall on where he's actually even different than rondo because he won't shoot a three at all, you know? And I almost see him as a guy you use as like the thing that you can't do in Philadelphia that you could potentially do with him someplace else is use him as like a bastard 5 and play four shooters around him and play him almost the way Milwaukee plays with Giannis. And he's not as good as Giannis. Don't get me wrong, but he can do some of those things. I think it'd be really dangerous as a roller, right? If there was a we've seen flashes of that too. Yeah. Philadelphia, when Joel is out. But now, if you're going to play, if you're going to play a big plotting center all 48 minutes, which Philadelphia basically did last year, and it's apparently committed to doing again this year because they haven't beaten and Drummond hashtag free Paul Reid. And so I think that limits his ability to do that and be kind of the best version of that player. So if you had a, if you had, we'll bring him up again. If you had Microsoft from 5 years ago and you could play him with Ben Simmons, like, that's the perfect 5 to play with him, right? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's funny, one of the landing spots we'll talk about is Minnesota, potentially, and I think that Carl towns is like the absolute perfect center to play with Ben Simmons, but talking about Ben Simmons at the 5 like the pseudo four. It's a difficult conversation because how much of it comes down to is Ben willing to do that. How much is Ben willing to play as a 5 man versus as the point guard or versus as like the secondary ball handler? Because I agree with you. I think that we've seen enough in the limited moments where Ben has played as a screener that make me go, oh, this could be like draymond green level ridiculous in the short roll. Like if you play him with a real point guard and you have him go up, you set a screen, you short roll them to like that 18 foot range and he gets to take advantage of potential four on three situations. Those advantages for someone like Ben Simmons, who's just like a basketball savant in like a pretty real way. I think that that kind of goes underrated a little bit with Ben. His ability to process what's happening on the court and his ability to react to it in such a quick way. It's really remarkable, the problem is that the skill side has now caught up to it. Like he's an incredible athlete. He is incredible feel for the game. He is incredible reaction time. Incredible basketball IQ, everything with that. But now he the skill side just to caught up and when you can't shoot in today's NBA, you just can't be on the ball as much as Ben Simmons is. And that's where it gets complicated for me. Like if Ben is willing to play the four of the 5, please by all means like trade for him and trade a lot for him because I think he still is like top ten player potential if he's willing to do that. Yeah, I think he's a guy you play kind of part on the ballpark off the ball and you know, when you get into fourth quarters using him as an off ball player, you know, putting him in a screen and roll and opening the rest of the court is better than putting him in a role where he's just running away and hiding because you have a bead in the middle and in the post and you're trying to space for him and that just leaves no area for Simmons. It's so frustrating to me because what did you think of Ben? Coming into the NBA. 'cause I really thought that and even through his I would say his third year, I still felt really good that he was going to be a top ten player in the NBA at some point that the light would come on and that he would absolutely dominate games. I just don't know that I feel that. Yeah, you just, you just figured the trajectory had a lot of these guys is that they add enough shooting to at least be somewhat viable and then the rest of their athleticism and the reading the game or whatever takes over. You know, it's like Dwyane Wade, did he ever really become a three point shooter? No, but there was enough of it there were like, okay, you at least had to deal with it a little bit. And you just sort of expected that trajectory with him too and it just never happened. I mean, coming into his tractor, here's the thing with weight. Like, from ten to 16 or ten to 23 feet last year in the mid range, Ben Simmons took 44 shots last year and shot like 39%. The way in wade was always a self creating like mid range killer. You know what I mean? Like at least that shot whenever he wants. Like Ben can't do that. Yeah, that's very true. So if he can't be a self creating shooter and scorer, to me, I blame him for that. I'm now at the point officially where it's just like, this is on you. If you can't figure out that you have to become at least a passable shooter, it's kind of on you, right? You need to, you need to understand at this point, you are 25 years old, like you need to understand that you're shooting is maybe the biggest swing skill in the NBA for a title contender in Philadelphia, right? Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's accurate. Like if he could actually shoot a corner three and then could open up the court like he could shoot 35% from a corner 30, let's say 38% from a corner. It completely changes with Philadelphia does. Completely. I mean he doesn't even need to shoot that well, like he just needs to be a sort of threat. Like you just disregard him so completely right now. And then on top of it now, he just doesn't seem to have the confidence to attack. I mean, the play where he kicked it to Matisse style after being by himself under the basket with Trae Young rotating from the weak side. That got all of the publicity, but that's like, that's like the absolute prime example of like the worst case scenario of what Ben Simmons has become in terms of confidence around the rim. But he's been kind of on that road for a little while, where he's been less confident going to the basket. It's frustrating, and it's tough. And he brings so much to the tables passer as a playmaker as a transition driver. I think that that probably is an underrated aspect as well. A team like Philadelphia that has someone like Joel embiid, having someone like Ben next to him who drives transition play and can get up and down the court quickly, I think that that actually has the effect at times of being able to let Joel sit back on defense not have to run the court for an offensive possession, get like a little bit of like a passive or active rest, I guess on the court. Yeah. For those extra little 6 or 7 seconds where Ben is driving and scoring or if Benny is driving and kicking out to an open three point shooter and then they make it and then the other team brings the ball up to court. Those stealing those little moments, I think, really, really helps in a game for Philadelphia and losing that is going to be harmful for Philly. I think it's going to be harmful for their offense. Obviously losing that is going to be harmful, losing Ben is going to be harmful to their defense, but. I guess I just don't have confidence in where Ben's trajectory is going in a way that I did 18 months ago. I completely agree with that. And I'm not swayed by like two Instagram clips of him making jump shots. So but I think it's just to the point where he needs to change his scenery. Do you remember the Willie cauley sign, can shoot pre draft videos? Oh. You know, I don't because it's weird when you're on the team side, when you know a player has no chance of getting to you, you just expend very little effort on that player in the pre daft process. And so, I mean, it was kind of the same way with us with Ben Simmons too. Once we saw enough of him to determine that we had no chance to be in a position to pick him, then, you know, you kind of move on to the things that are more possible. So I missed out, I missed out on that era, unfortunately. Yeah, the Willie cauley Stein one is always fun to me because he would show up to these pre draft workouts and people get video of him shooting threes and it's like, oh, wait, it takes him like four seconds to load in to every three point shot. There's no way this is actually going to work, but then he makes them so people are just like, oh yeah, he is developing a jump shot. He still only 21. And then the video is cut after everyone and he's standing in a different spot. Oh, those are the best. One of those rounds. Now that you're on the media side, how much has your consumption of the pre draft Internet video just I guess like consumerism changed? I didn't know how to regard them before, and now I feel a lot more comfortable just totally disregarding them. I guess. Yes. Strong agree. Very strong agree. Let's take a quick commercial break and we'll be back with more on just kind of where we are on Benson. 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That's $50 off of a purchase of $399 or more at IN, do CH in O dot com, promo code athletic NBA. Okay, we're back. So Ben Simmons, I would say is something like just given all of the defensive value that he brings to the table, given the transition driving ability, given the passing ability, I would say he is still a top 30 player in the NBA. I think I would be comfortable saying 30. Where do you kind of sit with him in the hierarchy of players? I would say that's probably about right. I would say he has more regular season value than playoff value. Which, I mean, for some teams, that's actually the thing that matters more. You know, if you're just fighting to get into the playoffs, yeah, then Ben Simms can really help you do that. He might disappoint you a little once you actually get there, but getting there is half the battle. And I think that there is a case and we'll talk about that depending on the situation that Ben could be good in the right playoff situation. It's just that's not Philadelphia, given the presence of Joel embiid at this point. So. What has Ben Simmons is trade value in your opinion because we've heard Daryl morey come out and talk about looking for Daryl more he hasn't come out, but reports about their all have come out. I shouldn't characterize it as being from Daryl. Reports about what there are more is looking for have come out and said that he is, he wants like four first round picks and wants a player, like he wants the world for Ben Simmons. Do we think that there is a chance that he could get the kind of value that he is searching for? No. And I mean, just knowing how the rockets operated when he was there, like I'm not surprised by this. Because their history is they do end up making a ton of trades. But they, a lot of times, we'll start at something really out there and then slowly reel themselves back in. And so I think that's what they started at here is just as for the moon go fishing for suckers, see if there's any out there. And then I think once reality hits that that is in happening now comes the real challenge. I think also one of the reasons they felt like they could do that is because they thought Lillard might come available at some point. Right. You know, so they were just, you know, it was almost a stalling for time tactic. And now that isn't available to them and we're a lot closer to the season and there's more threat that, you know, Simmons is talking about actually not showing up for camp, which, you know, the sixers can win enough's regular season games, probably, you know, as long as in beats healthy, that it's not a massive deal for them, but it's just it gets so much harder to do trades once the season starts, especially if teams have to piece together like four contracts because then you talk about you have to cut people. You can only have 15 on the active roster. Like it just becomes much more of a challenge. So I do think this is business they want done not necessarily by the time camp starts although that I think that would be helpful for them, but certainly that the time the regular by the time the roster cut down happens. Yeah, it feels that way to me as well. I guess that there's been reporting from ESPN. I think Brian windhorse I saw a video of it with him saying that sixers management with Josh Harris flew to the Los Angeles area where Simmons is and met with Simmons and rich Paul and some of the other parties involved in this. And basically they were hoping that would be willing to report to training camp in order to help facilitate this thing and Ben was just like it's not my job to help raise my trade value at this point. When you hear something like that as a former NBA executive, what are your thoughts on just the Ben Simmons? It's not my job to raise my trade value. Yeah, like, well, it is and once the off season happens, yeah, that's technically true, but there's a part of you that's like, well, you could have you could have done a little bit more to raise your trade value in the games or happening, but bygones, I guess. I understand where he's coming from a little bit. It actually helps his next team more if his trade value is low. So, you know, other than the fact that he wants to be out of there. Whatever gets him out of there with the least amount going to back to the sixers is actually the most helpful thing for him. So his incentives are actually very different than the sixers. Yeah, I think that that's always really important in these conversations. And to be honest, I kind of agree with Ben like it is not his job to raise his own trade value. At the end of the day, he could have done more during the season. I totally agree with you there. But like, look, these games aren't happening. I don't think that I think that most NBA executives are much like you and I and saying, no matter how many Ben Simmons, jump shot videos from training come out like nobody's going to believe it until they see it. Yeah, totally. Like no one's gonna be like, oh my God, Ben just made ten straight threes in a workout. We have to believe in his jump shot going forward. So I think that's reasonable, and I think that Ben kind of made that case more in regard to if I report the training camp and play for a couple of games like in the regular season like could that help my trade value? Look, I think that this is going to be the second podcast where I referenced this. But I think Gwyneth Paltrow Chris Martin style conscious uncoupling is probably the probably the best move going forward for this pairing, right? Who gets Apple? Who is the apple in this tyrese maxima? Yes. Let's move to actual offers. Sure. Who do you think has the best offer on the table right now? In your opinion, not in terms of what the actual offer is because we don't know for sure what the actual offers are necessarily. But in the when building an offer, what offer makes the most sense to you? I think the thing for Philly is that if you can't get Lillard, can you get the pieces that let you get Lillard later and can you get those pieces without submarining the team you have now? And I wonder because of that if Sacramento is gonna be the best one. Where you could do something with healed Bagley and multiple firsts and their Sacramento first. So they're probably pretty tasty. And buddy field fits and filling, right? Really well. Really well. And Bagley, I think, is it still kind of interesting if you're a rebuilding team, which the blazers would be, the second they did a Lillard deal. So I think that part is an interesting one. So there's that. Let's talk about that thing first because I don't think that's an interesting offer at all for bed. Okay. And I think it's mostly because I think Marvin Bagley at this point is like Sekou level like salary ballast in a trade. I'm just not really interested. You would have to have a level of belief in badly that is not supported by his recent performance, let's say. I get that he was the number two overall pick, but we've seen it for three years now. He might be one of the ten works defenders in the NBA. Certainly among bigs, he's one of the ten worst offenders in the NBA. I just can't. I can't quite get there with Bagley. The king's pick's idea. I think is very true. But I think that I think I would need Davy on Mitchell. Yeah, I was gonna say how much does Mitchell sweeten the pot yeah. That would be one. I would need Mitchell in a deal for Ben Simmons. I would need it to be like Mitchell healed. You'd have to throw in Bagley and multiple firsts. There's just no. I just don't. Yeah. You could actually throw in Tristan Thompson instead of Bagley if you wanted. I don't. I don't. 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The one that stood out to me the whole time was Minnesota, but I think that your point about making the move that makes you still in the ballpark for Lillard. Makes a Minnesota deal less interesting. And I think it's actually something I really agree with you on that making the deal that makes it possible to stay in the game for a Lillard is the most important move now. And I don't know if Minnesota doing something like Malik Beasley D'angelo Russell, Jaden McDaniels in like a couple of firsts. I don't know if that keeps them in the game for a Lillard. Yeah, and it makes them really expensive too. You know, you'd almost rather not have Russell in the deal because I don't know how Russell does Russell really help you in a Lillard trade? No, I don't think he helps you at all in a Lillard deal. Unless there are delusional they were still gonna win. We're not taking, you know. Which I don't put it past Neil will say, I don't think. That could be his thing. I mean, there has never been a point I feel like where he has really actively tried to dismantle it, but then Abby, but there was when they reset after Lamarcus left in west Matthew's tour as Achilles, and they did actually reset. And they just did it quickly enough that they ended up making the playoffs even though they didn't expect to. So I don't I don't see a like delusional fake rebuild type scenario happening there. I think if they I think if they look a little deal happens, they're busting out the dynamite. I would hope so, especially given that nurkic has one year left on that deal, CJ McCollum would still have value. League wide, I think at the very least. I would just hope that they do blow it up. So you would almost rather go, would you rather have Beverly in that deal than Russell? Yeah, I mean, you could put Beverly or a prince as your salary ballast with Beasley and McDaniels, right? And you get to the number you need to write, that's still probably not enough, isn't it? You need those T wolves first and just counting on the T wolves, T wolves and things up and adding value to your first that way. The thing that would worry me about the tea wolves just like tea wolves and things up is that I think that team would actually be really good if they had Ben Simmons because he's the perfect piece. Yeah. Totally, yeah. You end up with Edwards towns Russell and yeah, that's I mean, that's pretty good because they're shooting around him, his defense helps, you know, the fact that nobody else there plays any defense and you just need one or two other things at that point and you're pretty good. Yeah, like the Ben Simmons as like a connective piece between Anthony Edwards and Carl towns. You could run like four or 5 or 5 four ball screening action with towns and Simmons. You could run like towns as a wing floor spacer for like Edward Simmons screening actions. There are just so many different ways to run that offense at that point. Plus, you would get the perfect complement for Carl Anthony towns defensively at that point. I mean, that's a Minnesota. I understand why it seems like they're trying to pull out all the stops to get Ben Simmons because that is the player that is on the market right now that I think they should be chasing. Yeah. Is there like who are the other teams that you see as pretty interesting here? You know, could Indiana get in this? I've been kind of sneaky one during about them for a little while. Because they kind of need to do something different. The only thing is like you're probably looking at Turner or sabonis being in it and what the hell is Philadelphia gonna do with those guys? I mean, I guess Turner theoretically fits there a little better. I mean, could you play Turner and NB together? I don't think that they have enough mobility to make that work. I do think it would be pretty easy to move Turner or sabonis. Yeah, you can flip flip one of you, you'd have to make it a three way trade, which is where traits go die, but in this case you have an interesting enough player that I think you have more plausible chance of pulling it off. Yeah, I was gonna say, three team deals go to die whenever the player that you're offering to third team sucks. Yeah. Miles Turner, to modest opponents is actually good enough to where it's like, oh, yeah. Yes, if we're the third team, it'd be like the Jared Allen thing with the caps coming in. Yeah, exactly. This is great. Let's do this. Let's move to first round picks for Turner if he's willing to agree to an extension or something like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So if you're, you know, if you're Indian and you do Turner and lamb, you do duarte who's good enough to help them right now and that's how that's how you get your money, right? And then you just throw future first on top of that. You have to be very careful on the salaries, I guess, 'cause Indiana is so close to the tax, so that gets a little tricky. And there are no way in hell, Indiana's paying luxury tax, right? Well, I feel like I feel like it'd be like is there were those rumors about brogden earlier this summer that they might be looking at. There's a lot of brogden smoke. Yeah. But I mean, the thing is you want some is to play with Brockton, don't you? Like you don't, you don't want Simmons to be just like your, the thing that they tried to make him isn't quite what the thing he really ought to be. You almost want to start brogden levert Warren and Simmons, maybe holiday instead of lavert and the virtue 6 man, whatever, but you want to turn their options around Simmons. That's the thing that's going to make him effective, right? So actually, actually as I think about this, yeah, and you actually want sabonis in the trade and not Turner for the same reason. Like you want that shooting to be around Simmons and that's the thing that's going to make him effective. That's exactly what I was going to say is to me it's more of a sabonis move than a Turner move, but there's no know how it feels like they're pretty committed to sabonis, right? Yeah, but, you know, then they'd be, I think I'd be more committed to Simmons, maybe, I don't know. Do you think, I don't know. Well it's funny because it's a modest bonus made the All-Star Game this year. I personally would rather have been on sabonis. I understand the case that Indiana fans would make. But yeah, I think I would just rather have been than sabonis. I don't know that I would move sabonis like plus three other things for Ben. Yeah, that's where it gets tricky is the asset piece of it, right? Yeah, I think so. I've been like trying to come up like I've seen Cleveland. I think Mark Stein throughout the calves is an interesting one. I'm just not sure where that works. For anyone. All right. How does this work for Cleveland? Because the problem is their lottery picks the last three years having established any value yet. Right? I think Garland. I mean, really good. And I think Garland is a really good fit and Philly, but I also don't think that a third year point guard is helping Philly win now. Yeah, exactly. There's not a lot of value there for sixers and at the end of the day in a trade that follows that, whatever team that is, like, let's say the lower scenario again. If you're feeling you'd rather have the draft pick than Darius Garland. Right? You'd rather you'd rather be able to move that thing than to have the to have the player. I mean, a coral hasn't really established value. Sexton has had his moments, but is he, you know, is he a Doritos guy or is he, you know, is he really adding value on a good team? I think that's still a very open question. So where is the other draft picks, which I think there would be a lot of interest in Cleveland draft picks, but I don't think they're gonna put mobly in something like this, right? No, yeah, no. I'm sure they're hoping to use Kevin Love as a salary match. Good luck with that. There's a lot of complications. Like really the only player they could realistically put in the deal when you look at like January 15th trade restrictions is Ricky Rubio. There's no way your old team Memphis is like the sleeping giant here, right? That's an interesting one because they can, I mean, they have to put like 9 players in it for the salary match, but setting that part aside, I mean, I think they're definitely looking at their situation and realizing they need some way to not stay in the 40 win area. Even though they have a lot of good young players, they don't really have the high level guys and enough concentration to get to the next point in the progression. And so that's why you heard a lot of stuff about them with all kinds of different players because it was just a little bit. I think if a fixed phishing expedition to determine what guys value was and what was out there for them to get because they have to thin the herd at some point, so you know, what could they put into a deal? Would they put Jared Jackson in a deal for Ben Simmons? I mean, that's a really interesting train right there, right? I don't think they would. I just don't. I still think that's unlikely too. Doing that. But could they do Desmond Bain, zire Williams, de Anthony Melton, and what gets them to the number? Yeah, you have to do like 6 other John contrast and Chris Dunn's it gets gets pretty ugly if you're not doing like Steven Adams or at the very least like Dylan Brooks is the only other guy who makes more than ten. Yeah. So it'd have to be, you'd have to involve atoms to a third team, basically, to make it work. And what he can't be aggregated for a little while still probably, right? Yeah, they did that. It would be I think it would be October 6th or so. Yeah. Maybe I'm off by a little bit here. Yeah, just like quick math. I mean, yeah. But here's the reason why I like Memphis is what would be my favorite landing spot. I don't think it's going to happen. It just doesn't feel like the way that Memphis wants to build their roster. But the question would be like, does Ben Simmons fit with John morant given that John morant just doesn't really shoot yet. I think that they're kind of screwed if John morant doesn't shoot long-term anyway. So you might as well bank on the development of John morant being able to shoot and being able to develop as that scoring threat and get the pieces around him that work once he does develop that. In a Ben Simmons, jaren Jackson, frontcourt, long-term. Sounds fucking terrifying to me. Like that sounds if they can both stay healthy, that sounds like the exact perfect front court to play with John morant to play an uptempo style of basketball, Jaron would obviously really help been in regard to the shooting side of floor spacing and opening up the court for Ben, they really run a ton of screen actions even for jaren Jackson. They'll pin downs and shit forum that would really open up the court for Ben. Yeah. I mean that to me is like if I was if I was building the roster, I would want to see Ben Simmons with most. It would be this or Minnesota, I think. Well, I mean, the thing with Ben Simmons with this roster is there's just no shooting anywhere. I mean, it's not just a question of Simmons with Moran. Like there's just the whole issue with this team has been the lack of shooting, and now you're talking about. You're definitely moving in a deal. If you're moving bane in it like to ask for yeah, you're asking Jared to basically be all the floor spacing so I think there, you know, I wonder if not, this is kind of focusing the opposite direction I think they probably in terms of that. I don't see that as something that would happen. But I kind of like it if it would happen. It would be interesting as hell for sure. Yeah. I'll just ask you as a kind of wrapping up thought here. Where do you think the ultimate final landing spot is for Benson? I'm going to say Sacramento. There's a Dell Monty mcnair connection. I do think there's an interest in Sacramento in doing something right now to end that 14 year playoff streak. Their entire I mean, for the last several years, really, you know, the entire mindset is similar to Charlotte, right? Can we just get the 8th seed, please? And so I think they're more willing to put some stuff on the table that maybe other teams would be reticent to do. And then I think if you're in a place like that, the fact that Simmons is signed for so long, offers you some comfort. You know, that even if the guy demands a trade, you're just like, no. You're signed for four years. You have no leverage. So this move by Simmons, this power move to get out of Philly. Will exhaust a lot of his capital to be able to do that within the next two years. So like yeah. So the Simmons Fox partnership is a little tricky. And you know, you hope you have enough shooting there to make that. To make that work and, you know, can you get enough, you got rashawn Holmes at 5, so you got an all processed front court there. But. Is that enough? Yeah. You know, is Simmons with homes, Zach and you enough shooting, or do you have to do more surgery at that point? But I think those are the types of questions that at least like upgrading your talent is your first thing when you're team down there. And I think the type of deal they'd be looking at upgrades or talent. There's no way that Toronto could do something like a van vleet malachi Flynn like three first round picks kind of thing. I think they could, I just don't think that's what they're wired to do. I think they're going to, you know, they're more interested in if they can do something a little more vulture Y than that. You know, where it's like, go on dragach and two firsts or something, you know? Where it's like, where the hell less than people expected? You know, kind of like the Kawai trade, right? Like I think they'd be very interested in that. But otherwise, I think there's only so much they're gonna put on the table. And there's no way that we think golden. This is like a move for Golden State. I think it's the wrong move for Golden State. Yeah. I agree with you that I think it's actually the wrong move for Golden State. So I mean, look, maybe they get involved, but again, if the move is to stay available for Damian Lillard, if you're Philadelphia, or Bradley Beal, let's say as well. Let's throw him in the mix. Yeah. There isn't really anything. I think the Golden State can offer if they're not going to throw in both kuminga and Moses moody and like all of the future first round picks. I just don't know that they would do that in this. No, not for them. This isn't their move to get back to the top. The last team that was weird to me was San Antonio, just because they're also a team that really, it feels like could make a consolidation move, but this doesn't feel like a San Antonio moved to me. I would agree with that. Yeah. I have a hard time seeing that one. And a lot of their guys are pretty young. It would almost have to be like a homecoming for Lonnie walker. Derek white and all of the future first round picks. But San Antonio really likes keeping their first round picks if they can. So that doesn't, that doesn't try. It would be out of it would be a very out of character trade for them based on the last 20 years. Yeah. I will say it would probably allow them to keep some of Josh primo and kelton Johnson in one of their other guards. Like I would think that you'd almost have to move, to have a cell Lonnie walker and Thera white and then a couple of verse. And then you find the salary ballast somewhere. Maybe the salary ballast is homecoming for fat young, too. But, yeah, that just feels like a non spurs move, I guess, to me. Yeah. I think that you're, I think you're right. I think that Sacramento is the team that lines up the most. With all of this. And I think that it would have to involve them moving off of the stance that Sam amic reported who Sam is, I feel like is plugged in in Sacramento and has been for years. Extremely plugged in. Yes. As anyone in the reporting sphere that the kings are not willing to move deer and fox or tyrese Halliburton. Did you notice that they on Mitchell was conspicuous by his absence in that report? Yeah, that is interesting. I just think, yeah, I mean, if you know that you have to have something fairly juicy out there and that's probably the juice of two seeds thing, they can put on the table. So I guess I'm not completely shocked by that. Yeah, that felt interesting to me. But I think I'm in on that making the most sense, at least. He'd be a real get for the kings. He'd really help them. I think they would have to do some real finagling on the margins of that roster, but something like davion Mitchell, buddy healed multiple first round picks. And then throw in Marvin Bagley, I guess, if you want to throw in Marvin Bagley for a salary cap reasons. I don't want to throw in Marvin Bagley. John, do you have any do you have any strong takes that you want to get out there before we go? Yeah, now that is the fall. Don't drink pumpkin spice coffee. It's not good. I've got a secret for you. I used to drink a lot of pumpkin spice coffee, but I'm so sorry. But it's the spring for you right now. So this doesn't apply, right? That's true. And the coffee scene here in Melbourne is unbelievable. I've heard that. Absolutely unbelievable. Like my wife Lauren, I did a coffee walk throughout the central business district of Melbourne, it was unbelievable. We did like 5 or 6 stops like within the city. I felt like my heart was about to explode after we did. Yeah, I was gonna ask about that part. Coffee? But it was worth it. It was so good. It was the coffee scene has ruined the pumpkin spice experience for me. That exists in the United States. John, I'm glad that you were able to get that off your chest. Please thank you for providing me a forum for this important information. It's a public service announcement really. John, please tell the people what you have coming up. What you have on the docket. 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Western Conference NBA Bubble Preview w/ Dave DuFour

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Western Conference NBA Bubble Preview w/ Dave DuFour

"Hello and welcome to the game, three podcast of Sam senior presented by the athletic. God feels good to say that today on the show. We got Dave do four here. We're going to do the same thing we did on Friday with John. Hollinger just David I are going to go through the western conference side of the equation, Dave. How you doing man, I'm good. I love that. You brought in the big guns to this. You Know Myself John Hollinger. John you know just the the top of the industry myself. John Hollinger. I mean I lo- I mean just a genius idea on your part if I if I do say so myself you know hall and you're only worked in a front office for a decade. He and I are on the same level. It's I mean you know. I appreciate the skill of of my colleague. Who is on the exact same level? As far as respect from the basketball community at large. As myself had John Hollinger basically one and the same, which by the way like you ever talked to Hollinger Hollinger would be like. I really do love Love Hollinger It's funny because he was one of the few people that I hadn't gotten a chance to actually talk to. We had met a few times. This season at a spurs game like early on in the year he was in town, and we sat there, and we watched the whole game together, talking the entire time and ruined off and. I mean ever since like. We've been pretty good pals I. Really do like John Alger a lot. Yeah, but yeah, you're right. He probably would say that's not ridiculous. At all Dave, one of the yeah, one of the nicest people like the underrated sneaky funniest people with his dry sense of humor like what you realized that he's just like joking around about a lot of stuff, he's just. Hollinger's the greatest, but this is. I wasn't on twitter before Hollinger got hired so I didn't know that his his twitter game was so solid. Actually I'm trying to think if I. was I caught the tail end of it with John but I I didn't catch more than that Yeah No, John's the best. This is not a John podcast. This is a podcast about the western conference like I said the top. We're going to do the same thing we did with John. Running through each team. Obviously, the West has more than nine teams. There are thirteen teams that are going down to the bubble in Orlando, so we're going to run through these teams and discuss just what we're excited about what player we're looking forward to how this could all fall apart? And what general thoughts we have on the teams heading in every team it seems like in the West has a pretty disparate set of priorities. Some teams are legitimately contending for its idol. Other teams are using this time as development. Ground, so, I'm excited to see that aspect of it to. Check out which teams are. Capable, of making a deep run, in which teams are getting the most out of this little eight-game sample that they're gonna get an opportunity to play now. I'll just kinda. Start there with you Dave. I mean. What are you most looking forward to in regards to the Western Conference with the NBA's return. I mean honestly I I'm really looking forward to watching these young guys and seeing how they respond You know we. We always talk with the. Rookie Wall, but young players in general, those first couple of seasons as they're getting used to the NBA grind with the travel with the you know obviously the game schedule playing that many games for the first time in their life is a big deal. I mean it's a lot and so I'm really curious to see. Who looks kind of refreshed and in particular you know in Memphis and New Orleans where you know they. They've got all this rookie and young player intrigue. I WanNa see if these guys have taken advantage of the downtime and we're putting in work and getting good rest and working out, and all these things They're the ones I'm most excited to watch because they're the unknown quantity with with the other guys on expecting the veterans to just take it easy. And kind of coast through these eight games except for Portland, and I think 'cause I, think Damian. Lillard is going to try to score four hundred points in eight games. But yeah, with the other guys, they're more of a known quantity, so yeah, I'm looking forward to the young guys in the West Yeah I. Just on my buddy. David Gardeners podcast over bleacher report. I did his show this morning and Damian Lillard was the guy that I brought up. I was just like. This guy. Every single time that he's on the floor wants to just tear the heart out of the opposition in the best possible way and I'm super excited to see that. In a setting like Orlando where there are some teams that. Use these games a ramp up ground. Damian Lillard is going to go in ready is going to try and tear up this entire competition I think when we get to some of those teams down at the bottom of the West, the differing priorities. They're going to be really interesting and kind of the different ways that they're going to be looking at. How they're evaluating this. This time in Orlando because a team like Portland. This these eight games I think that most of the time is evaluators. We would not WANNA put too much stock in them for Portland. Who hasn't had use of Norwich and Zach Collins all year. Who hasn't had a great year in general I would imagine they're going to be looking at these. Games is kind of a barometer for how they should go about building their team this offseason and what they need to add. Do they think this team has a chance to compete these games actually really matter for the direction that Portland is going to go in the future, a team like the Lakers team like Sacramento probably not as important as the entirety of the regular season, but with Portland these games are almost going to be more representative of their future than what we saw in the regular season because they're going to have Noor Kitchen Collins back. To a certain degree I agree with you. I think is a nice chance for them to see that Combo but part of their reality is that they're kind of locked into this roster minus moving nurturer or CJ, and like that collins isn't going anywhere. He's young promising. Miss the whole season due to injury so I I can't imagine they're going to get enough of a read on him in these eight that to make any sort of decision. As to whether or not, they think they can move him for a piece that they could use Nurkic looks to be long term peace for them I mean obviously he needs to come back from this injury. but I don't imagine they're gonNA be doing anything with him. I think CJ would be the guy that they would move. But again I think that when you have a team the position they were in all season where they had some awful injury. Look after. Years of fantastic injury. Luck where they. Were losing games to injury. I WANNA. Say they were like number one or number two like two years in a row, which is just unheard of so i. think that what we're going to see is they're going to come out. They're going to throw out the LINEUPS that they want to look at next season. Just see what they look like. But I I wouldn't expect any sort of big decisions. Before the trade deadline next year I if they were gonNA. Make a move. I think CJ is the guy that would get moved and I mean. He's probably their best asset. As far as you know. Not You can't you can't trade Damian. Lillard so could trade CJ mccollum, and maybe get some some pretty good players back in return so. I'm with you. I think it's going to be an evaluation period for them but I. Don't think this is going to weigh. Heavily on that Front Office Neil is pretty conservative on these things. But it's interesting to though like his draft. Loss has been anything but conservative. He is consistently gone for the home. Run Swing, right? You look back and for new Simon's. Gary Trent was a freshman at Duke. Damian Lillard was a guy that was that we were stayed. GM when Dame was picked was a now. I'm thinking back on it. I can't remember now. I don't think he was. But Anthony Simon's is another guy. That little is another guy CJ he's really taken swings typically especially lately in the NBA draft or in the NBA draft, so I wonder if we do start to see him get a little bit more and plus I mean him. He has tended toward conservative in regard to. Keeping the status quo, but his biggest misstep as a general manager was being conservative and keeping the status quo with guys like Alan, crab, Maurice, heartless and Meyers Leonard in the offseason that Kinda capped them into this core so I wonder if we start to see a bit of a shift in philosophy and additionally. Guys like Anfernee. Simon's guys like guess, the asset that will be their draft Pickett number. Let's say twelve to fifteen right that actually could be a very real asset for them to be able to move and decide to go down the road of potentially Potentially. Trying to fill this roster out with A. Older veteran that makes sense for the Damian Lillard CJ. mccollum core, or do they decide to go down the road of trying to? Kinda Keep both the future, and the present in their line of sight and see that's hard to do right. It's hard to straddle the fence. I will say I do think Portland Right now is in good position as long as Nurkic, can come back, and and his good, not just passable like he needs to be good. He needs to be the defensive boost that that he was for this team when he first came over. He needs to be able to take some. Some of the playmaking away for Damon and open things up for those guys so that you know Damian, Lillard should be getting more opportunities away from the ball. I mean it'd be good for him. It'd be good for this office very their attack. So that's that's priority number one but I think they nailed Gary Trent gear looks like a starting wing. I mean I think is starting to garden the NBA now. He was playing some fantastic basketball when everything shut down. So. That's huge like if you did move, CJ. You've got a guy. That's ready to step into the starting lineup. He's big. He can actually defend shoot crazy. They've got. Sheer, obviously not in the bubble, but they're going. Have Trevor Rees the next year because I can't imagine? He's going to opt out on his contract. From what I understand mellow really liked it there, so maybe they bring him back in in a bench role. He was fantastic for that team, not just on the court, but also in the locker room I I've heard so much from Jason Quick and other people in Portland about the leadership role that mellow Kinda took on, and and it's clearly dame's team, but having that that other guy especially a guy like. Like, Carmelo players respect so much, that's huge, and he was good on the floor to and not just on office his defense. You know you don't WanNa. Trust them in space, but he was able to actually make an impact on that in through his leadership, talking a lot Apparently you know. He really changed the the defensive culture for them into something that was more like when nurtures out there so. I I do think that this team. Is, in a good position to be able to. Compete next year as long as healthy and potentially improve the depth of the team. If they were to move on from from CJ, I don't expect it to happen I mean this is just would be very out of character for that front office. Yeah you know you brought up Gary Trend that I'm quite as in on him being starter, but you know over the course of his last twenty three games, the average twelve points Forty, six from the field and forty from three he, he was really really good late. He was really really in. Any event, he can really defend the the Wesley Matthews cops feel so lazy, but it's because they're pretty accurate like he like. They found a Wesley. Matthews clone and it's You know I hate to even say that it's very true like he's a. he's kind of got that bulldog mentality. He really really shoot. He leads nuts. So that it's pretty big I mean to have that in a position of scarcity in the league. That's super valuable asset, even if you just wanted to see what you could get on the open market like in a trade but in particular to have that guy on your basketball team. That's that's huge. Yeah this'll be the section on Portland so I'll just kinda close it up by saying the guy that I'm most interested in seeing. It's just obviously Damian Lillard and I understand that Portland fans probably WANNA see use of Norwich Zach. Collins like there are a lot of guys that we could pick in terms of being the guy that you're most excited to see, but I genuinely think Damian Lillard is gonNA. Come out and try and drop forty every fucking night and it's going to be oh. Yes, we had almost two months stretch where he was like the best player in the League. This is by far his career season. Yeah, like we tomorrow's Damian. Lillard birthday as well and he turns thirty. I really WANNA. Note that I hope that we don't look back. And feel like we took what Damian Lillard is for granted. That guy is fucking superstar. He is so Goddamn, good he this is aged twenty nine year old season. He said a career high in field goal percentage in three point percentage in points per game in this game game, and by the way he did it on a team where teams just had to fuck and load up to try to stop him every single night. He was the guy that. That teams had to try and stop because C.. J. Was not on it this year. They were without Merkich. They were without Collins. They were not nearly as well rounded a team. The whole point of what defense is doing this year was to try and stop. Damian Lillard and nobody could fuck and do it that guy he. There is a very real case. Damian Lillard is my favorite player in the NBA Right now I love him unconditionally well. I don't know if you've seen this kid. Jaama rant but I think that's my favorite player. Dummy rant. Yeah. It's a different kind man. Yeah, well, Dame could be the best player on championship team right like Damian Lillard is a tier one player for me. Josh just exciting as hell but Damian Lillard is, he is good enough to be the best player on a championship team, and if Portland. Can just put a couple of more pieces around him. This is a team that could actually do something next season. You know injury luck. This year was awful. I mean I. I did a podcast about the blazers every single week this season. They had a lot of rough injury luck. But, if nurtures is good, if collins can be this this. Helper defensive guy who could stretch the floor for you on offense and he doesn't even really have to like. It's not even that he has to be a positive on offense. He just needs to be fine. He just needs to tread water. They've have so much offense even without him so. I think this team could potentially take a big step forward next year. The final question, I'll just give you like. Let's remove James Harden. Who is more of two arden plays next to Russell Westbrook. Let's remove Luca Donncha chew. I is more of a point forward guard hybrid weird. Mix of player types is Damian Lillard the best point guard in the NBA right now. Yeah I guess since Steph isn't isn't playing, right? You know it's tricky like because all these guys just have different roles. You know I mean the fact that hardened can put up thirty five and ten is a is a pretty big deal, and I like I. Know you kind of moved him off the ball for for the purposes of this conversation, but I think him and day play the same position. At, least reasonably ball handler right What Dame is able to do to the defense though. He's got less help than those other guys. At least this season he did and I think that you know the job that he had to do was just more difficult. Having Russell Westbrook is a hell of a luxury. For James Harden and not to say that James Harden doesn't take. A huge workload because he definitely does, but he has release valves. Dame doesn't really have that. You Know C. J.. had a down season. CJ's best run came when dame was out with a back injury. That's when we got to see. Cj Do some playmaking stuff which they need, when David out there so. I think that he played the best basketball. Given all of the hurdles, headaches and limitations of that team I don't think it's a hot take to say that. He probably had the best season of anybody in the League while also not beating the MVP. Yeah No, I don't think he's the Yom. Win Enough, right? It's yeah. He didn't win enough, but. I do think that that he had probably the best season of anybody in the league at least offensively. De was another story. He was better, but not not all NBA like Yannis Damian Lillard. Goes far as saying he had a better season than Janas even general Jonah's defenses, just freaking absurd, but Lillard I think was the best point guard in the NBA. I think there's a very real case. He probably was better overall than Luca Danni this year, but it's an argument I think like it's a very real question in my mind as to, if I had to pick one player right now to win me a game. Would I take Lillard, Donncha, which? I think a little dame. Yeah, yeah, I think Dallas is a better team. Dame replaces Luca. That's a great question. Just because of how heliocentric they are around Lucas, specific skills, I man to pass up the guy who averaged like twenty, nine, nine, nine, while leading the literal best offensive. NBA History. But he's he's also young like David. Willard is just a better player right now and I think you know one for one swap doesn't quite work because like you said that the offenses are so different. is in a vacuum. Dame is a better player and they figure out a way to be a better team I that. That's just a you know. My gut feeling on. It I have no idea it's A. It's an experiment. We can't have play out, but I do know that Damian Lillard. Right now is just a better player that being said. Because almost a tier one player after two seasons in the league. Pretty incredible so. Benign knock on Luke at all. Yeah, it's totally ridiculous. Let's. Let's get into what this podcast is supposed to be. This became Damian. Lillard Love Fest for twenty minutes. he's good we should get. The the Game Theory podcast is the foremost proponent proponent of Damian Lillard on for my new listeners over at the athletic so. Let's get into this western conference. Bubble. Preview. The Portland Trailblazers we're not gonNA talk about them anymore. Because we have talked about them for a little bit too much, but we're GONNA move into the Lakers. What do what are your general thoughts on where the Lakers are right now? How do you think that this stoppage is going to help them? Because I think it could go either way just in regard to. How does lebrons body respond? Does the time off help him or does the fact that he has to stop start kind of fuck with the body of a thirty six year old a little bit. Yeah I. Just don't know that we can treat lebrun like we would anyone else that's that's actually part of this we have to just. Consider him a complete exception to every rule, so I'm going to say knowing Lebron the way that we do. I guarantee his body is in good shape I guarantee. He took advantage of the downtime getting rest I. Definitely think he didn't stop playing Basketball Lebron James I'm sure that everything is he's his body is going to be as ready to go as it can be. How are they gonNA handle the ramp up. I'm sure that they're gonNA. Ease into it, and he's going to be fine I'm operating under the assumption that they're just come in healthy and rested and ready to go, and that they're still going to be one of the two or three teams in the League. They were my favorite because of their ability to go big or big small where they they have Anthony Davis the center and Lebron at the four. Dwight Howard was fantastic for them this season there bill their ability to throw out a lineup. That really has three bigs. Two of whom can at least be passable in the perimeter. One of which Anthony Davis really good garden on the perimeter They can switch so much. It's one of the few teams that I don't worry about their point of attack defense. So that's a that's a luxury. It's them in the bucks right like the. The bucks have good point attack defense, but even if they didn't their their back line, help is so good. It doesn't really matter so. The Rim is going to be protected but the Lakers I. I think they're going to be exactly what we saw in. You know in February March. I think they're going to be good to the point of being dominant. They basically have two teams that that I feel comfortable. Saying could beat them. All things being equal now we. We don't know what they're gonNA. Look like. Maybe they're going to be really rusty I'm not sure I just don't think that I would bet against Lebron James. I'm with you that I wouldn't bet against Lebron James. I think that there are going to be one of the best teams I'm also very aware that we are certainly going to get. One of those games or one of those story lines. where? People start melting down about Lebron in the Lakers in the regular season. They don't. The don't take it not necessarily as seriously, but they use the starting eight games to kind of work themselves into the season. It wouldn't stunned me if they go like three three in their first six games because they're just getting and getting ready. In that will actually mean anything. Exactly. Like that's I'm not at all concerned about the Lakers based off of the postseason now where I am. A little bit interested to see. The Lakers is. Once they get to the play offs, how do they match up specifically with the clippers? WHO can go smaller than they can How do they match up with that? Small Clippers lineup today? Decide to go just full on Anthony Davis and Lebron James at the four and the five industry. Match up that way, because realistically the Clippers can go like hyper small if they want to. They can go like Marcus. Morris Kawhi Leonard Paul George still maintain lengthened size on the court, but that's a very very skilled small bowl lineup that has all of the space in the world to operate. Yeah and Paul George had exactly small. Right no it's. It's an enormous small lineup. Yeah, they can do. They can do big small to. That's right, and and this is again. It's that versatility is when you look at the teams that really have a shot at the finals. You know there's like six. The versatility stands out first and foremost and I. think that particular in a unique situation like this having that versatility is a huge advantage even more so than under normal circumstances. Because you have so many options that you can throw at the wall and figure out what works and that is where these eight games for all these teams are going to be a laboratory for the ones that aren't fighting for playoff, positioning and things like that for team like Dallas like Dallas. Is GonNA WANNA move up in the standings and they have a good shot at it. I think they're gonNA. Come out with with their best lineups day one and they're gonNA be trying to win games, but I fully expect to see the Lakers and clippers. Get a little weird with it. Yeah and what what kind of talk about this? Whenever we get into the middle section of these teams like there's actually so much room to maneuver for teams like Denver Utah Oklahoma City Dallas Houston. These teams can actually genuinely move up and down the standings in a way that makes their lives much easier. For the rest of the playoffs, so I'm going to be really interested to see that race, but with the Lakers. Who's the guy that you're most excited to watch going forward? Danny Green. Delivery Adrian I do love Danny Green. I'm I'm the president of the Danny Green Fan Club. I can tell you whether a person knows about basketball based on their opinion about Danny Green so Danny Green is the guy on the Lakers that that I wanna watch and mostly because. You know in the later rounds. In last year's raptors run Danny. Green was a little bit rough shooting. Wise The Lakers are going to need him to knock down shots. He's essentially their only real like knocked down three point shooter. Unless. We think JR Smith is going to do something crazy when he's out there he's the guy. They really need to step up in his role. Especially you know thirty minutes tonight. They're going to need him the knockdown threes when they're available and he was pretty good. This year was fine but he needs to step it up a little bit like they're gonNa need him to be San Antonio Spurs playoff. Danny Green and that'll take a lot of pressure off. Lebron a lot of pressure off Anthony. Davis is going to open up the paint for everybody else. Know as so funny to think about a guy who's a role player. He's I think he's the best player on that team and it's so funny to talk about him like he's forgotten man, but is because you know. He plays with Little Brown and Anthony Davis and Dwight Howard and. You know John Rondo. So you know the names that are important for this team. He might be the least recognizable by on the court. He is every bit as important as the other role. Players the big time role players on this team. Is it unfair for me to say Frank Vogel like it kind of goes against the. What I wanted from the question right like the spirit of the question, but I'm going to be fascinated to see health logo plays the chess match against some of these matchups. In the western conference is he is willing to go small consistently in the playoffs, because the Lakers have been willing to go with Anthony Davis the five. Semi regularly throughout the regular season, but I wouldn't say that it. It's certainly been far from their default, right? How willing is he to do that for over half of games? If he asked to, I'm not sure to be on. Matchup, it's going to be all about the matchup. Anthony Davis there trying to guard Yokich? You. Know literally put a hurt on him. Yeah I don't think you'll be out there. Trying to guard Yokich, but if a team like Houston rolls up. Are they going to try and outside. Houston for the first two games, or are they going to just immediately match small because that game that Houston played against the Lakers before the stoppage. That was a little bit scary to me if I was Lakers, Fan. The I'm not too worried about Houston against the a big squad. Look like the Lakers because again, they can go big small. I mean Anthony Davis is still going to be pretty big. Lebron still pretty big I. mean they just don't have people? Houston doesn't have anybody to match up with those guys so I. If you're the Lakers, you stick to your own game plan rather than trying to match a team like Houston, and if they feel like the big stuff is working, and it's GonNa work on the glass in particular If it's working, stick with it, I think Vogel is. He's been pretty good this year. He's been good at using the two big LINEUPS and three big LINEUPS I. Think they're going to be. You're going to be fine. Vogel probably has the easier job of any other coach in the West. Because you know, you literally could just say well. This isn't working. Try it again. You know, try something else. Yeah, I don't think he has as many options as you do. Like I think that the option is just Anthony Davis the five and that's great fucking option right like that's. That's an option that teams across the League would kill to have right, but. If that doesn't work. It doesn't work as well. Let's say as what we are hoping. It does for the Lakers, sake. It's going to be interesting to me to see if he tries to go back big, or does he try and find a different adjustment like playing cruise mode the four with Lebron at the three Does he play something like like how how involved someone like contagious caldwell-pope and closing lineups? Be closing for them. I agree. It's the closing line-up. Realistically, if I was running the team, which I'm not would be Alex, Caruso contagious cobol, pope, Danny Green Lebron James and Anthony Davis. I might have to white end for Caruso depending on who they're playing. Sure if they're playing Yokich or someone like that, having a big in, but. Man I don't know like I don't think this team has as many options as say the clippers who we can transition to now, and I think the Lakers are. I don't think I would pick them to go to the finals I. DO think I would pick them. Pick the clippers, but. The Lakers obviously do have Lebron. James Anthony Davis, which is the best twosome in the League, and that often times is enough well and don't forget what will. Brian can do during the playoffs meal. Lebron is one of the few players in the league. That can completely bend everything about a game to his will. If you remember remember the twenty-fifth finals. The Way you know no Kyrie. No Kevin Love the way he just I. mean he ground out possessions and completely changed the entire pace of the game. Now they lost the the cavs lost. They didn't have the talent, but I still think when you have that skill, it is such an ace up your sleeve, and if they get into these sticky situations, not only do you. Have Lebron able to do that? You also have. Have Anthony Davis was one of the five best players in the league. Right so I. I just think that kind of stuff goes a long way, and by the way is very good Paul. George is also very good. The clippers are very good. The clippers were to beat Lakers I would not be shocked, so here's why I think that I would pick the clippers the clippers. Do you have the Star Power? They have you know. Arguably the best closer. A playoff team can present in. Kuwait Leonard You can take Lebron. You can take why. I don't think I would take over either of them. In a last three minutes of a playoff game in a tie game scenario I just trust shot making did a point. Where even though Janas has gotten a lot better from the mid range I still distrust that much more in Lebron is just obviously like you said able to bend opposing teams to his will in such a real substantial way. It's not to take anything away from Jaanus, but. I think that mixed with Kawai and Paul George both of whom are top twelve players in the league. The ability for the Clippers to match up. Either offensively or defensively, either in terms of. Size or lack of size? Is just something that other teams can't do the they do not have the sheer breadth of options in depth that the clippers have. It is really just totally absurd what they can do. They can play super big with Visa Zubov who has been really sneaky under the radar? Good this year. Great is a rim protector. He causes real issues for them, and if they get matched up against Denver, he's going to be able to play twenty five minutes and eight against Nikolay Yokich, not a problem Obviously, they'll match Harrell a little bit on Yokich but that I'm a little bit more worried about, but they have the body to be able to throw at Yokich, and then I would imagine that we might even see a little bit of Yawkey no I in that series. If they end up with Denver, I would imagine that basically a Denver series is why we see the clippers interested in they are in keeping no around They can go super small with like I said Morris Kawai Paul George. They can go kinda medium sized small, even though MANTRAS Herrell is physically smaller than Marcus. Morris I see him as more of a true center, then Marcus Morris. You can play a bench lineup with Lou Williams and mantras. Herald can really get rolling. You can let them run the show. If they're having success, you can Leonard and Paul. George run the show if they're having success, they have Patrick Beverley to throw out against elite level lead guards. They have to unbelievable wing stoppers and Paul George and Kawhi Leonard to throw out against these wings. They have the rim-protector incised that they need. There's just nothing that you can present to the clippers that they can't counter with with the Lakers I think that there are some small lineups that could cause them some issues with the clippers us can't really. You can't present them with an issue. That isn't solvable by Doc, rivers I think. Yeah I. Think I I think you're. Again it's, it's GonNa I. Those who are like one am one beat there so close i. just give them the edge because Lebron. And it's not even that I think is will Lebron is a better player. day to day than Kawhi it's more just that I trust Lebron's ability to control the action, and in these weird circumstances I think that that's going to be part of it being able to. Come in take over the game in a way that only. Lebron really can do in the league right now. It's GonNa have a huge advantage now. As has, Paul George shown that he can guard Lebron. We know can, but for how long you know, and then now you've got. What are you sticking? Paul George on Anthony. Davis is just that just the match up nightmare that that Lebron and Anthony Davis present is going to be a lot for any team. The clippers of the most well suited in the West guarded though. And the clippers having this funky offense that they've run, which is it? I don't know how much you've dug into the tape on the clippers, but Their offense is kind of formless. There's a lot of ice, so. They'll run to pick and roll here and there they'll. On who's on the court for exact on us? Yeah, they don't have like a system and so it's hard to prepare for I. think that that gives them an advantage I mean again doc. Rivers is a super creative coach one of the five best and knows coaches in the league. He's completely underrated in that respect so I'm with you I I think that when it comes to trying to solve the problem of a given basketball game, I put my money on Doc rivers towns out of ten. It's just really hard to go against the guys at the Lakers. So let's talk about. WHO The guy! You're most excited to see with the clippers. Peak Landry Shamet. Excited is probably the wrong word because I'm only excited to see like the really great players, but analysts. The guys I'm really curious to see. Are GonNA BE? These secondary role player guys like if Landry Shamet can defend it a good level and make shots. That's a game changer for the clippers in the same vein to Michael Green being able to take on tough assignments and knocked down shots from the corner. That's an enormous game changer by the way like I. Actually think the Clippers have more bodies to throw it Lebron than anybody because they have Kawhi Paul George Marcus Morris Ange Michael Green. No one is GonNa Stop Lebron. The key is finding guys that have it least like. Was it level of power, strength and lateral quickness to like? Somewhat. Contestant bother him right They have more of those bodies than anyone else can. I'm not saying that they have a better chance to I. They have a better chance to slow down than anyone. No one's GONNA totally stop. Lebron, but they at least have bodies that over seven game series I can see. Potentially wearing a little bit more. Sure! I mean I. think that having having the Bevy of disposable bodies that they have I definitely think that's a benefit. But their I mean their defense. We know that they're gonNA defend. We know that they're going to defend. Are they going to get enough offense out of the role players who can also defend Lou, Williams is great. Lou Williams out there and crunch time not against the Lakers. Landry Shamet like Landry? Shamet is going to have to play, and so they only make it shots, and so that's what I need to see right off the bat. Yeah the only way that you can have Lou Williams out there is. If Frank Vogel starts being willing to run these like. Four one or four to pick and rolls, or he shows an unwilling to be able to run these four, one or four to pick and rolls where Alex Caruso and contagious caldwell pope or the screeners and trying to get mismatches on Lebron That's basically I think what Lou Williams will become. He'll become a magnet for opposing teams and switches unfortunately, despite the fact that. In a theoretical one on one game. The Lakers do guys. Lou Williams could guard but. Again this is kind of where I come back to Vogel with the Lakers is. I need to see just a little little bit more creativity. It's not that he's been bad. So far I think he's been spectacular so far, but in these seven game series is we're getting that. Little edge in terms of matchups becomes so essential I. Just WanNa. See how he adjusts to doing that. Yeah I'm right there with you I think it's going to be very important for their title hopes. We've talked a lot just mainly because of me about where we think the clippers will succeed. Where do you see their biggest problem? Being come playoff time? I mean I worry about the grind. especially with a guy like Hawaii. Who who has this injury that he's just living with? What's going to be like for him I? Mean no travel is great but the layoff. was he able to continue his Rehab? During during the hiatus, what's it? GonNa look like when he's. You know he's. It'd be playing a lot here in but three weeks and so I'm really curious to see how he holds up Paul. George, says his shoulders are fine, so I'm not not as worried about those as as I was a few months ago I. It seems like they may actually have benefited quite a bit more than other teams just because they're two main players. You know you've got these injury issues so. It's going to be very much about. How does why hold up? And how does this team? How does he defend and score at the same time? Let's move to. I'll give you the floor. WHAT TEAM OUT OF DENVER UTAH OKLAHOMA CITY? Dallas in Houston. Do you want to move to next? LET'S DO DENVER, okay so yeah Denver is in. Third Place Right now. They have nickel Yokich. What do we think of Yokich is game as he comes back from Krona virus, because a lot of what makes nickel Yokich, so effective is the fact that he is stronger than basically everyone and Kim Connor. Carve out his position where he wants. He's lot skinnier right now. and I don't know if that has to do with something that he was purposely doing or if it has to do with complications, Dude. He! He's getting married, so he's getting married. Yes, Hey, get skinny plummet. I love that move So I just wonder what his game looks like. If he can't just like constantly carve out position, it will yeah. I didn't think he looked skinny. You know I saw the photos. I think that jacket made him look a little skinnier than he is. I mean I. Just saw the photo of him in the airport. He looks like a normal basketball player He doesn't look out of shape like he did at the beginning of the season. No, not that's a plus right. Obviously, we don't. We don't know how anyone's bouncing back from from Kobe, so I don't want to speculate there, but I will say. I don't think that the body composition change is going to be a negative if anything I expected to be a positive as far as strength, loss or anything like that he's going to have time to get to get his body where it needs to be. He's got a few weeks I'm just not as worried about that stuff as as most people. The covert aside you know the things that I. Actually could speculate about them. I think that. Yokich again like the way he controls, the game is unique and in particular, being an offense fulcrum from the center position. There's not a lot of guys doing that inverting your offense quite a bit. This year you know their top ten office. There were twelfth and defense. That's not good enough to win a title. You know being the number nine offense. That's not good enough so I need to see them. Take it up a notch on one of those ends. They either need the defense to step up a little bit more, which is is doable. They got some guys on their roster Paul millsap Jerry Grant. and Gary Harris if he ever remembers how to shoot that can, that can play both ways. Can they? Can they pump one of those up? Can they get the scoring into the elite territory? Can they bring that defense up to a top five level defense. That's going to be the key for this team. Yeah especially given the slow pace that they play. I think it probably does have to come on the defensive side. More than on the offensive side I think that they're gonNA get. Enough half court offense of execution like part of the reason that offense rating is as low as it has because they get fewer transition opportunities, which generally leads to just slightly less effective offense. They're half court. Offense is very good, obviously, so I just wonder. If. They can trust their offense enough. Just with Yokich, being as effective as e is diagnosing the defense and finding those goals. On offense just automatically having his presence and as long as Gary Harris's space on the floor and. They're getting enough production from their role. Players Michael Porter's obviously just GONNA be fascinating to see if he can bring something of an x factor in a playoff series, right? Can. They bring it enough on defense with those guys like Gary Harris Jeremy Grant Paul Millsap. Can Jamal, Murray, bring it at a high enough level, and will Barton bring it at a high enough level to where they're getting two way play Kinda like you said. I think that that is the most fascinating part of this roster. That's tough man. It's GonNa. Take. And Murray. Committing to not dying on screens. If they can just commit to sticking sticking with the guy that they're guarding going for rear view contests like you know just old school. Hook trail like that's it. Just stay on the stay on the guys regarding it would go such a long way I mean. They like to use Yokich in in a unique way for a center where they have them show really high because he's not good at protecting the rim. They've got Paul MILLSAP. They've got Jeremy Grant. Who are more than adequate at doing that part of their issue and it makes Yokich look bad. Is You gotta? Have those guys at Lee fight to get through the screen? I. Mean You're? You're not going to get through all of them, but they've at least got a fight and they can't not just totally die. That's that's going to be the key at the point of attack. Yeah, I agree with you. Who is the guy on this roster that you're most excited to look out? Man! I mean you know what I'm GonNa break my little tradition here and I'm going to say plumber like if Murray can do what he did. You know in in last year's like at the end of last year, a series against the spurs where like just couldn't stop them. Out of nowhere like it was like second half of games, he was incredible. He needs to bring that kind of level of play. Every night wants to play offs. Vague and do that I mean that that's going to elevate their offense quite a bit. Yeah I mean you remove Murray's first three games from the playoffs so basically from game four against the Antonio Onward Average twenty three points while shooting forty, three, thirty, five and ninety four. In terms of the shooting line. Didn't turn the ball over at all. Basically had a near four to one assist to turnover he was that was the best for Murray. We've seen yet in his career so far and I do not know. Based off of his play this year. If we're going to get that this year, I it is so essential to Denver hopes both short and long term. That Jamal Murray figures his shit out because he frankly was not nearly what we anticipated. This year I know. He was better inside the Ark this year He just didn't quite take the leap that we were really hoping I think from a guy like that. I think that he really especially just needs to become a more consistent shooter like this is the guy that needs to be up around thirty, eight, thirty seven half every year, like he has been in twenty, eighteen and twenty, nineteen him, being a thirty five percent three point shooter. Even, though a majority of those are on pool ups and do make him dangerous in the way that defenses have to deal with him. I just don't think it's nearly as effective unfortunately. Yeah I agree I I'm not. You know I'm not the biggest fan of of joe-marie I don't. Worry about that contract for them. I think that you know there. It's got some Albatross potential. Because of you know I it was really a potential base contract, and it's not that he's a bad player. It's just isn't gonNA. Live up to that deal. You know I've got some concerns there, but. He's. He's the best option that they've got and when he's clicking. That team goes from very good to. And and that is to me that that's a testament to how good he could be. He look more often. Yeah and I I want to bring up Michael Porter as well. Whatever they can get for Michael. Porter is going to be fascinating. Is based off of the flashes. He showed no I'm someone that more and more when I evaluate guys I'm trying to evaluate less and less upon the flashes and more about what they bring consistently. Michael was a lot of flashes this year. There was the great stretch that he had I. WanNa say that it was what I would have been something like late December through. January something like that. He was really really good and seemed like he was starting to take that leap, and then February gets hurt, and then in you know Marchi's kind of getting back into. It feels like whatever they can get from Michael Porter is just going to be so so essential to learning more about what the ceiling of this roster is. Yeah, I, mean you know if you look at his thirty six numbers? Per hundred possession numbers. They're pretty good and he didn't play a ton. He, he was like. Thirteen fourteen minutes a game something like that. But but when you, if you can aggregate those numbers now, they're obviously who knows if he can maintain them. I mean nineteen points a game. Almost eleven rebounds not a great passer, right? Now but a steel steel and a block shooting fifty, forty, seventy six. That's pretty good I'd take that if he could give it so I'm with you I. Definitely want to see more. Michael Porter exact same way we felt all season. Seymour Michael Porter get Michael Porter out there. I. Think that if this team is going to is going to get to a championship level, he's that wildcard. That could get him there. He is if he's the player that he shown extended flashes of it was not just like one or two nights. I mean He. He had moments this season that were. You know. He really popped and then I'll give you the. Yeah. I'll give you the numbers here from. I believe it was December twenty eighth through the end. Of January, he was playing twenty one minutes. Night averaged twelve points six rebounds. A steal and half a block per game while shooting fifty four from the field and forty eight from three If that guy is doing that in twenty one minutes a night. That's an enormous enormous boost for this Denver Nuggets team, but you're right. It was an extended flash, but it needs to be a little bit more than that for them to take the leap and part of that is going to be opportunity. Like this, is he? He didn't play at all his for his first season. Because of the back injury, they were easing him in obviously this year. I think that you know he's one of these guys that that is poised to take a leap just because of opportunity, Yep. We still don't know millsaps going to be back. Not sure what they're gonNA do with Chairman Grant like this could be their starting for next year Yep I. Don't know how that works on the defensive end, but I know offense has potentially be potent. Let's talk about Houston because Houston to me is the epitome of Tobias Few K. and arrested development just yelling. Let the Grand Experiment Begin. That this was going to be a short conversation. I mean James. Harden man probably rocks shorts, a pretty real amount of the time I would imagine, but I don't think he's never knew though. Probably not. Never Nude. The rockets are in a really interesting position because they're just zagging while the rest of the league zigzags. They're gonNA. Play this. Super Small style of play that I think is really going to I. Don't it's almost like I wonder if the stoppage hurts them more than anyone else because it gives teams a chance to legitimately just over the course of months like if I was Utah and I was Oklahoma, city and Dallas and I had a chance to play Houston in the first round. I would be I would probably put one of my advanced scouts just on figuring them out. Over the course of a two week period during this three months that we've had off four months that we've had I guess I think that they could genuinely be hurt by getting a chance to take as many teams by surprise as what they were going to get a chance to. Yeah, I mean. They got that fastball changeup. Sort of dynamic depending on what they WANNA. Do obviously Covington and his defense is a wrinkled that. Just kind of unexpected when they made the move, go small. They're weird and weird can sometimes win in unexpected ways, and I mean if you think about just how unique this situation is. Maybe the weird team is the one that everybody should be really worried about. I agree with that generally. Yeah I mean, listen Darrell. Darrell made a calculated decision to lean into the weird, and it worked for a little while again. The defense has to tread water, and they can't get destroyed on the glass, but you can see this working especially against like Utah or Dallas or Oklahoma City like first round. I'm not worried about. It's what happens when they face a team that can really just punish them with size. Yeah I mean the Lakers are going to be able to do that in theory, but like I said that first game against the Lakers did not go super well for the Lakers. The clippers aren't really gonNA. Punish you with size but I. Think the problem is that the clippers can just the clippers can just do. The rockets do better than the rockets do if they really wanted right right. Yeah, yeah. I mean that that's the that's the other dirty little secret again like the Lakers can go small and Lebron James's is your four and. And Anthony Davis is your five, and that's just you know. There are things that you can't combat and that's one of them right right? Denver those going to be interesting like Denver being able to toss Yokich out there. That's you're gonNA. Flip E. J. Tucker on him. I think first and foremost because I don't think Covington strong enough to deal with. You want Yokich kind of being able to free will in help more than you want PJ, Tucker, be able to. PJ Tucker Fared Against Yokich. On switches and stuff I I don't. I, don't remember to be honest. That's not something have yeah. I feel like it's GonNa it's GonNa be kind of that's going to be one of those questions that that gets answered, obviously if they play but I just don't see that going well for Houston, and so like. When you break down individual matchups, you start to feel less confident released I do feel less confident about Houston and their punchers chance, but man harden is so good. If westbrook's pointing the way he was, you know after December, it's GonNa be tough man, this is this is a little more wide open than I would give it credit for as I sit in breakdown, each team individually like this. I do think just being weird gives you a little bit of advantage. So this year. PJ Tucker matched up Nikolay Nikolay Yokich for seven minutes of time. Yoga shot five of nine from the field He scored sixteen points. That seems like a bunch to me but that seems a little bit. Like I don't WanNa. Say Off. That seems like too much to me. Where ample yeah and then I'm going back to two thousand eighteen as well to check it out nineteen points in eight minutes of matchup time. Nine of thirteen from the field for Yokich and I'm just not looking at the assist numbers right now. I would imagine that they were not yeah. I mean forces. It looks like in four turnovers, but I would imagine that's not actually eight minutes of game time. Though I would imagine it's a little bit more than that. In terms of matchup minutes, yeah! either way I don't think it's going to go well. Yeah, I don't see that. As a favourable matchup for Houston personally PJ's fighter, he's just six foot four, and that makes his life much more difficult against the guy like Yokich. Frankly pass over the top of them, unfortunately Yeah I'm intrigued by Houston. I want to believe in Houston because I want to believe in the style of basketball as much as anything. I don't know that I can get there They can beat certain teams like I think if they match up with Utah in the first round. I think I would pick Houston. If they get matched up with Oklahoma City. I think I would pick Houston against Oklahoma. City I don't know how they match up. With Denver Los Angeles in the clippers. Unfortunately, exactly exactly that's. The same space I'm in. Houston pretty solidly in the group JUST BEHIND LA LA and Denver. Yeah, who's The guy by themselves? I don't I. Don't think anybody else's clothes. WHO's the guy you're most looking forward to? Covington Ken Covington defend the way he did post trade for them. There was a stretch there where he seemed like the best center in basketball and if he can do that, I mean. For three months, they can win a title. For me, it's Ross the. Tear, that he was on to close, the season was just like. I. Don't think he got nearly enough credit for the unbelievable monstrous tear that he closed the season on. I want to say was what was it. It was from like January eighteenth onward. Russell Westbrook averaged thirty two points while shooting fifty four percent from the field, and you know eight and a half rebounds a night. He was just so ridiculous like it's almost like he's. I. Know that they appear J. Tucker, but it's almost like he's a four times in that scheme like it's very. It's bizarre the way that they utilize them and it was so so fun to watch He was just. So great to close the season after people kinda questioned him to start. It felt like in Houston. For sure. Definitely, let's let's move to. Go to Dallas because I find them interesting This might be kind of a short conversation, though if only because. I don't know that they're ready for this. To be honest, guys don't know the defense is going to be there well. They're not going to have the defense right I mean that is. I can guarantee that, but they do have a historic offense and. Again these teams that are heliocentric, shout, seth part now the rockets the Lakers. You know where you just have the one primary creator who who makes you know stirs the drink for everyone else. Luca is that. Those other guys need to be able to knock down shots. They're knocking down shots. They're going to score now. Defensively I think almost everyone is going to be bad. A defensively across the league at least for the first few weeks, so they actually have a pretty good shot I believe at improving their seating for the play offs and getting a more favorable favorable matchup so I think they've got this punchers chance in the first round. and. That is kind of a hot take, because they're not like a great basketball team, they're good and they can score but the defense in the lack thereof is a big issue except I think in this. You know unique circumstances we're we're. We're all theorizing. Wha, what is GONNA look like I? Mean my theory is the defenses are all going to be bad? So who cares as long as your defense is awesome or offenses awesome? I do think their offense is so good that they've got that. punchers chance in the first round. I'm intrigued. I think by the incredible out of offense that they can provide. I'm going to be very interested to see. What teams do to just full on sell out against Luca Danni to stop him. Because I would imagine that's what's going to happen. Like teams are going to put every single bit of their energy into stopping Luca Danni. In a matchup over seven game series on her way that they really can't prepare for in the regular season, right? I don't know that let's say Luka is at eighty percent of what he is because opposing teams are just totally moving all of their energies toward stopping him. I don't think this team has enough to really her opposing teams. And less KRISTAPS Porzingis. Really just takes that leap into being the true second banana on offense, and I think we all think he has potential to be, but he wasn't that yet this year unfortunately. Oh I think by the by the end of of this early season I think he was I, mean he? He had a pretty good year. And you know it started off rough I mean he had all this time off, basically had jagger's off. By the time he worked himself into shape. He looks pretty good. I mean he had that stretch where he missed with with the knee injury and Things? Things weren't amazing after that. But as he and Luca sorta figured things out they they improved quite a bit together and I think I think KP is ready to be the number. Two Guy I think he's there You know he's had more time to get healthy. Let's see how he looks once they start conditioning and stuff but I. I don't know man a pretty confident porzingis. second-best Guy Championship team. Yeah, let me a couch. What I was saying in this. My point is more. I don't think he's ready to be the second best player on a title team right now I know that from like February onward. He was a total monster beverage like twenty five, a night or something like that He was very good. I'm just not convinced yet that he is at the level like the second best player on a title team has to be what a top twenty player in the League, offensively. That, well, maybe maybe top thirty and again like that that stretched from the like the third or so have ury until the season ended. He was legitimately fantastic. He was. Pretty like yeah, he was like a top ten player during that that month. Now with that being said it's a month it's it's run small sample size, but. To do the stuff that he does team protecting the rim. Almost three and a half stocks a game during that stretch twenty five points. A and he also is a real floor stretcher because he actually does shoot threes. Shoots deep threes, too, so you know what he's doing with. His gravity is important for them to Yeah, I. I it is I think he's pretty solidly a good second banana. For me, it's more that I think they need someone that can legitimately create like a second option that can legitimately create offense on their own. And I don't know that he's ready to do that. At the level that they need him too I. Think you'll get there. I'm one of the biggest KRISTAPS. Porzingis fans you'll find in terms of his own floor impact. Legitimately called him like a future hall of Famer, before and I still believe that as long as he stays healthy and continues that help I just want to see a little bit more in terms of offensive creation from him in a play-off setting whenever the opposing team is legitimately selling out to stop Luca constantly which they're going to. At the end of the day here, so he would have been my guy in terms of guy most looking forward to that kind of your pick as well. Yeah, Porzingas for sure. Yeah let's this point I know what I'm getting out of Luca Porzingis needs to show that he can do it on a bigger stage. Let's move to Utah because they're just in a very weird spot without boy on now I don't know what to expect from the team because of the just very. Strange play that has been Mike Conley. thus far in Utah Jesus. Abbreviated nature of his season. Obviously you know when you get hurt in, you're in a new spot. It can really disrupt the chemistry that you're building with your team, but yeah to me. My calmly is the absolute story here I know that for their future. It's you can really go bare. Donovan Mitchell coexist is Tim McMahon Antonio Jones and a lot of the great people at the athletic, as well of written about, but to me for this season in particular it's what do they get out of Mike, Conley? And can they get enough out of him to? Get that secondary piece of offense. They need next Donovan Mitchell in the back court. Well, that's the that's the big story for them I think I. It's Conley. Defend, and can Conley make shots? You know I. DO think that. His struggles were a little overblown to start the year. He wasn't shooting the ball well. Yeah, but he was pretty good doing just about everything else. He was fine. But the shots weren't falling in. He's there because they need someone that can stick shots next to next Donovan Mitchell you know the the bright side I guess to to Book Donna, Vich. Being out is that you know Joe Ingles is GonNa Start. He was awful coming off the bench. He makes rudy better. He makes Donovan Better. He makes all this guy better I I actually think showing the second best player on that team. who? I mean I think ahead of ahead of Donovan. Yeah Yeah you know. I'm not important but. I'm, GONNA defensively is important obviously as a secondary playmaker I mean, and this is what we what we wanted to see to Donovan and we did see a lot of that. Donald Causes Number his own number, a little bit more often than than English does and I think that affected the flow of their offense the guy that they're really missing. Derrick favors though so you know like who's going to help them? Who's going to help them? Get that defense to where it needs to be like Gobert is is essentially walking top five defense on his own, but as we saw this season. He really can't do it by himself like. Favors is very underrated for for what he brought to. To that team is on the defensive end so they got to figure that out. They gotTA figure out how to defend and then without book Donna Vich. They're going to need ingles to do more play making you're going to need to do more playmaking. They're gonNA need Donovan to do to do more playmaking for others as well I, think that's sort of an under underutilized skill of is creating stuff for other people like he needs to dip into that more often and and maybe get a little bit more Galateri in in that oftens. Yeah I, agree I do think that having both angles ain't Conley out there help him in regard to just being able to focus on scoring in a real way, early focused more of his attention on scoring in a real way, but you're hundred percent right that you know the end of the day. Teams are going to sell out to try and stop Donovan in the playoffs and. I don't know that he is shown other than that Oklahoma City series when he was rookie when I don't know that teams really knew what to expect from him. that. He's been able to shoulder that load full time in the playoffs. That's low reason why they go out and get a Mike Conley and a boy on Bogdonovich right because they thought that it would really help shoulder the load. This is a team. I was really excited to see in the playoffs. Because you're right, radio barriers a walking top five defense. Even though they haven't quite been at that level this year, their offense was actually sneaky, really good this year that was a top ten. That's entire season in part because Rudy's gravity vertical gravity that is not necessarily space and gravity in part. Because they had so many options, they could count on Joe. INGLES can run aside. Pick and roll boy on Bogdonovich can beat his guy either from the mid post or from attacking close out three point line, or from just being forty percent three point shooter Mike Conley especially early in the season. Presented something that opposing teams really respected right and I think that that put Donovan I think that it's no accident that Donovan had his best season this year it's because there was less attention on him than there was last season right so. Them not having boy on around I think is a significant downgrade, and it's GonNa. Be on Mike Conley now to really showcase, and frankly on Jordan Clarkson a little bit as well to be able to be that secondary offensive option and tertiary offensive option that can really take the pressure off of Mitchell and allow them to get efficient buckets. Look the Clarkson benefit is that your office doesn't have to change just because Donovan goes to the bench group. That's really nice and he played really fantastic basketball once he got. Only is the end of this. If Conway can hit shots and relieve some the playmaking pressure. You know kind of take a little bit of the weight of the playmaking that Bogdonovich carried this season when Conley shots just weren't sticking and teams weren't respecting him as much as as we expect if he can do that if he can be, you know Memphis Conley the seem could actually make a little bit of noise, but without that I just don't trust them. Yeah and I think it's reasonable not to trust them. yeah I. Think you're right. Conley's the guy that we have to watch I. think that we can honestly Kinda move on from Utah. Go to Oklahoma, city. Fascinating Group for a lot of reasons both short and long-term. I'll just kinda. Give you the floor I mean. What are you looking forward to seeing with this group as a whole? I mean look Chris Paul in the playoffs. That's. I'm just pumped for that I'm just excited to see Chris Paul continue this season I mean. I thought he was fantastic this year. I have on my all NBA. Team Thirteen I thought he was just fantastic in him, and the the combination of him and Shay Gildas. Alexander's been a lot of fun. Especially at the Games, they've just been really really solid in the clutch I mean, there were like two of the three best players in crunch time situations this season so Chris Paul Man, the the joy of watching Chris Paul play basketball in the playoffs. That's that's what I'm really excited about. Yeah similarly to Damian Lillard that we talked about earlier in a different way right, but right it's there's you know that's a guy who? In the playoffs I mean I always think of that that year that the Hornets played the Lakers in the playoffs, two thousand ten. Thousand Eleven. He put that team on his back and I think about that quite a bit and. I'm really excited to see him do that at this advanced stage of his career especially since he's got. You know shake IOS Alexander there. He's got guys that can that can actually take a little bit of the load off of them. What's Gallon Oregon a look like I mean? There's a lot of questions on this team. But this was one of my favorite teams. Watch all year. What did you think of the Ludovic contract just want to like? fucking destroy this contract real quick for two minutes. Go ahead, please I think it was an embarrassment. That he signed this contract but his. Yeah Yeah! Ludovic Starter on a playoff team. WHO HAS A two way contract? That guy had a lot of leverage to be able to Kinda dictate where he was going to go the worst case scenario for Luder. Is the team doesn't convert him. He is stuck in Okla earth not stuck in the bubble, not playing or just not in the bubble, and then hits restricted free agency in what is the worst case scenario for him in restricted free agency. The worst case I think it's like two years five million right like there's absolute worst yeah. No way that team doesn't take a shot on him right the best case scenario. I think it's probably like three years fifteen, million or something like that like. It wouldn't totally stunned me if you've got a deal like that. Well there's a lot of bad teams that are young. That would take with you know. That are going to have some cap space. That would have thrown that kind of money at him. Yeah and he ends up signing a deal. That is a four year deal with the first of which will go through this year next year is guaranteed the final two years or non-guaranteed, so basically dort is getting a deal that guaranteed him like two and a half, million dollars or something over the course of four years, and then doesn't allow into free agency again. For three more years after this that deal is one of the worst contracts I can remember seeing in. This isn't even like saying that Lou. Door is a sure-fire. Like rotation player even I think he probably is, but there's still some uncertainty about what he is authencity right like he just fucking might not be good enough right he he might not, but there was no way that a team wasn't gonNA. Pay This off season to find out if he was good enough and wasn't going to pay him at least twice. What his guaranteed money is while allowing him to get the free agency sooner. If they meant like like you, you put into this out from the jump and this is your argument getting? Stop with the thing that you I said this is a starter on a playoff team on a two way contract. He's twenty one years old. Those guys I mean he was. He was GonNa make a good amount of money, and if nothing else, he was going to have flexibility. And now it's it's gone. You're right. It's an awful contract for him. Yeah like I! Don't understand. What. What their deal was like I. Don't understand why they would. Remotely make this decision on doors part I think it was embarrassment In terms of the actual play, yeah! I'm most excited to see Chris Paul because I'm Chris Paul. Stan, of been very unabashed about that on this podcast throughout the years I'm an enormous fan of Chris Paul any chance that we get to watch him play. is a gift I think he is just such an incredible player, but I will say how Shea reacts to a playoff. Environment is so much more important to the future of the Oklahoma City thunder so I am going to be really intrigued by that. Do you think this team has a chance to get to the second round of the NBA playoffs, or do you think they're one and done I think they're probably one and done. I mean they're. They're a fun team. The talent isn't there and talent wins. I think they got if they got UTAH. In the first round while we're disrespecting Utah here by making them the team that everybody wants to play. I think it's them in Dallas. Like I. think that them in. Dallas are the two teams. The Teams WanNa play with Dallas. That's because they feel like they can explain their defense in with Utah. It's because they're without boy on. They're going to have to adjust to that. And we've kind of shown in the playoffs that re to bear is something less than the sum of his parts in the playoffs If you put him in into positions, you know what I'm going to push back on that because I don't think that that's actually accurate. Yeah, part now pushed back on this on me. And I yeah I understand the point, but continue it is more. It is more about his teammates than it is about Rudy. as a matter of fact like two years ago. I want to say. He played more minutes in the playoffs then he played in the regular season. So. There is this thing where there's like two or three teams that can run him off the court Houston being one of them, and solely about his teammates in. Right but I think that the problem with rudy is that his skill set it harder in the playoffs to field inefficient offense because you essentially can't have a non out there with him. Just the way that you have to build lineups and build rousers now. It almost makes it harder on offense. I think on defense like I. Know that he gets the Shit on defense, but to me. It's on offense. That's the bigger problem well. Yeah, definitely, not the defense. The issues are on the offensive end. He doesn't get the ball in as the roll man enough, so he's just not a threat like you know at a certain point when you watch rudy when you watch him play, and you watch them getting frustrated, not getting the ball after after really opening himself up with fantastic screening and his. His timing on is fantastic, a very efficient roll man. I mean he's a one-dimensional player. I think that he can make more reads than we give them credit for on the short roll. You know you can't shoot it all. He's gotten a lot better on the short roll I will totally agree with you on. He can even put the ball on the floor a couple of times and get to the hoop. A couple times I would say he can pound. Dribble wants and gets I'm okay with him to a two or three dribbles I've seen enough out of him. That I feel often, he can do it. Most of the time. I. Don't do it against Anthony Davis Bright Right, but I think that I'd rather have go bear on the court. Then, an extra shooter? I would prefer having bear out there than an extra shooter. and that's why Rudy plays more minutes in the playoffs because he is a better player than having the extra shooter out there. But it, then Crete Rudy's presence necessitates having another shooter on the court at the expense of someone else I think. Depends listen, I if if is GonNa like stick jots and play, make this is. This is a moot conversation. I actually love the way that they built this roster in the offseason. Absolutely I think Lindsay in ZANUCK. did a fantastic job surrounding rudy in Donovan with spaces in the world because we assume that Mike can shoot. We assume INGLES can shoot. We assume boy on can shoot like that's three guys that you can play a competent lineup with that really space the floor and give them a ton of offensive upside while maintaining defensive aptitude. I mean. I just feel bad. That boy on talking to play, and we're not going to get a chance to see that like I. think that makes Utah's life a lot harder in the playoffs now. Maybe we'll find out. Let's go to I think that we're actually through the important like super super important teams. Now that are you know have forty wins. We got through Denver We got through Utah and Oklahoma City We got through Houston and Dallas and then obviously the top two teams as well. This race for the is kind of interesting with Memphis new. Orleans Portland I would say those are the three teams that I like the most certainly to get there. I don't really think Sacramento is very good even though they closed the season well I don't think Phoenix is very good or frankly even really as chance to chase this I. Don't know why they're in this mix, so those three teams I think are fascinating. We've talked about Portland a lot. Let's talk about this now. MEMPHIS I think you can make a case was as helped by the stoppages. Anyone else because they were really getting banged up. Right as the season closing here, yeah, getting Jaren, Jackson time to recover from the knee. Issue I think is going to be huge for them I mean you and I have talked about this. I don't and I hate to do this. This is like some. Very NBA twitter terminology, but I don't think anyone realizes how potent Jaren Jackson Offenses Oh. It's ridiculous. He's on pace to be the greatest big man shooter in the history of Basketball I. Actually agree with you on that right now. Other well, let's rephrase I think dirk will continue to be the greatest big shooter in NBA history. I don't think the Jackson will exceed that, but dirk didn't get started until it was like twenty four, so. Twenty years old. He's taken seven threes, a game and hitting like what forty two percent or something like that? It's pretty insane what he's doing and when he was not out there, we saw that drop off from them. he's still and and I still think his greatest talents lie on the defensive end. He's still sorting himself out there. part of it has been injury issues. They've held back, but also the fouling stuff so I'm hoping that he spent a lot of time. In the film room, working out these mistakes that he tends to make, but yeah I'm with you I. Think Getting Jaren healthy getting those other young guys again pass that rookie wall. Past that young player wall that all these guys seem to run into late February early March and geared up for a playoff run I. think it's going to be superport for them. They're actually a lot of really important things. FOR MEMPHIS MEMPHIS GETTING THE EXPERIENCE OF GETTING playoff run here I think would be so great for this young core. Jami rant figuring out what he's going to be in the playoffs I think he's going to be very good. I think he's GonNa be very very good. He has that floater game inbetween that is going to be really tough for defenses to gauge I. I would imagine the teams are going to be pretty happy. Just let him shoot threes, but if you give him time to shoot from distance. He will, he will take them and make them like he's not a knockdown shooter yet because he doesn't have that quick rapid release, but you go way under on a screen to try and cut off his speed to get to the paint. He'll hurt you. He will hurt you from distance. The Guy that I'm most intrigued. Watch us the Anthony Mountain because I think he's one of the five or so free agents. That I'm most interested in this offseason. His play. COINCIDED WITH MEMPHIS turning their entire season around I. Don't think that's an accident. He is a restricted free agent in Memphis. Just given that they have John. Maria given the tie Jones already and given that. You know I don't know that they can afford to drop like a crazy amount of money to keep the anthony melting while maintaining the flexibility. That I think they should be trying to maintain going forward. I think that the Anthony can make himself a lot of money if he has a really great eight games and then a solid playoff series. What kind of what kind of money you expecting other teams to offer if he has a strong little run here? I mean if you're Atlanta like the number I throughout for Atlanta was like four, fifty five, which is too much for Anthony Milton, but if you're getting over pay to get a guy like him. You overpay to get a guy like him. And you overpaid to get a guy who fits the age curve age timeline of your team, and who fits with trae young who fits with Kevin hurt her who fits with every every single thing that you need on your roster. You need a backup point guard. He's a little bit better at the two obviously. You can play him as a backup point guard next to someone like a Kevin Heard, or who can also take on some pick and roll possessions and a camera issue I think they hope can take on some pick and roll possessions long-term. I'M GONNA. Try Well. Right yeah, and you can play him next the trae young as well as we've seen this year with John. Moran so I I'm terrified of a big offer sheet from Atlanta if I'M MEMPHIS BECAUSE I I don't know that they should. Break the bank in the way that Atlanta showed given that they have more depth there. Right I I. Do know that Memphis internally values anthony, velten. Highly. That trade is referred to as the D. Anthony Melton trade. It is like that Josh. Jackson was the name that people knew because where he was drafted, but that trade was about the Anthony Mountain so. I do think that they went institute that with clear is. knowing that if if things panned out for them, it meant it panned out for the Anthony Melton to to get a good deal, so I think when you're memphis and you're not really going to attract a bunch of free agents anyway. You probably are just as likely to to say you know what we'll overpay. Now to keep this guy here. As Atlanta is I think that you know this is a team. Obviously thinks it's to be able to compete next year, right? They look at what they're doing. This year. They made the play offs, or at least it seems like they're going to make the playoffs, so I just don't know if you're gonNA. Let anyone Take that guy away from you, he he's important to their plans. I don't know that. Man It's tough. That's a really tough decision. Can you get Josh Jackson for a little bit cheaper? Maybe in Josh kind of provide. A very different skill set, but a similar amount of havoc and transition play that makes the Anthony is special as he is right. Saying, it's playmaking from Josh actions some playmaking yet like it's. I'm not saying that. Some incredible player, but like he is a really good player. Don't get me wrong. I don't WanNa. You know gas them too much. Right for what it is, but knowing what I know about how that team views the Anthony Mountain. I would be pretty shocked if he would have to be like four fifty five would. Probably he would probably have to. They would probably have to let them walk at that money. But if you're Atlanta and you have that much cap space. Like what are you? What are you? What better opportunity or you'RE GONNA? I think it's smart i. think it's really smart idea in our delete eight outlook series like the Anthony Mountains name continued to come up for a lot of these young teams or at least the teams that could use some youth and some talented youth. You know this is. This is sort of why you do the rebuild. The issue being you wouldn't be paying him like a rookie or on a rookie contract, and so the extra value. That you have with the guy who still developing the Anthony Mountain is not. It's not like this is going to be like. He's not an all star, so you're GONNA be paying him like a a starter, so he better be able to come in and start and produce day one and I. Maybe he's not ready for that yet so I could see some teams that maybe ready to compete. That might talk themselves out of going for Dante Mountain maybe going for A. Safer and potentially cheaper option and Atlanta falls in that. No Atlanta wants to be competing for the playoffs next year. So do they feel like taking a swing at Dante? Melton makes more sense or it. Would it be better to maybe get a more veteran guy who they might be able to get a little bit cheaper? For Memphis. We don't really think they have a chance to knock off the Lakers or Really it's the Lakers I. You know what I don't think like. My head Says No. But my heart says. Mayor you're you're a foremost memphis. Grizzlies enthusiasts I am I'm well known for my love of the Memphis Grizzlies. is fantastic I think they're. They're very well coached there. They've got this versatility. Day can match the Lakers size. They can't match the Lakers talent or the Lakers skill, but they can match their size. John Mirant at the point of attack is GonNa. Be really a tough guard for whoever they've got out there. I mean I ca Russo's a good is a good defender I, can he? Can He hang with John? Rant, enough and force them into the help enough for for Anthony Davis and Lebron and Dwight to do their job. I'm not sure. We're going to see like I'm very excited for that series. If I'm robbed of this series because of a plan thing I'm going to be very upset. Yeah, but if you're robbed from playoff thing, it means you're likely either getting. Damian Lillard trying to drop fifty night against the Lakers or you're getting. Zion Williamson in the playoffs in all likelihood. Either of those teams have a chance against the Lakers I. You know and again my head tells me it's going to be a four zero sweep but i. just think that the the grizzlies have that. Little bit of spark, and then a little bit of a chip on their shoulder. That might make them a little bit dangerous. I will say I think new. ORLEANS IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN MEMPHIS in a playoff series, and it's because of drew holidays ability to take on really tough assignments now. He doesn't really have a natural assignment against the Lakers, but we've seen him perform at a high level offensively in the playoffs previously and I think that his shot making and shot creation ability is really going to be essential to them. I think Brandon Ingram is kind of tailor made to play in the play offs. As long as his game continues to stick at the level that we expect given what we've seen this year he might take a year to adjust in the playoffs, but The way that he can get through was pull up jumper and there's not really a way that you can contest it because it has such a high release point because he's six foot nine. Man That guys that Guy I think is going to be a really really good playoff player, and that's before we get design Williamson. Who in his last I think it was. Like twelve or thirteen games before he or before the stoppage was averaging twenty six points tonight on sixty percent from the field shooting. This team is scary. I think we'll see. We'll see I'm excited either way I'm I'm just happy to be talking basketball right now me, too. It's Great Erica I. Do want to give you the floor to talk about favors real quick. Oh, well I mean again. Man favors defense is fantastic. He is a large part in this is not disrespectful to because I. do think rudy go bears a top five defense on his own as long as everyone else's average. But Derrick favors was very important for what they did. Defensively in Utah and I think the PELICANS. He's kind of the perfect senator to pair with Zion Yeah. Yes, I mean it really is. He's competent. He could be your helper he can you know he's not going to get exposed on the perimeter? He's smart player. He can do whatever you need on offense I. Mean I just think Derrick favors undervalued player in the League for some reason that I can't wrap my head around. I think there's a case. He's the most underrated player in the league. I mean I I wouldn't so against it. He look at what he makes and look at what he does on the basketball court he he's extremely impactful. good passer, really good defender, good shooter. He just does everything pretty well now. He doesn't pop necessarily like Zion when you watch. Not See see. Derrick favors for a couple of plays, but he's out there doing stuff he's out. There is me this right. He's out there. Talking and constantly making sure guys are in position. He's out there. able to play both on the perimeter for a couple of steps, he's not like an elite level, perimeter, defender, and being able to defend the rim at a really high level, despite not being necessarily an elite chop locker he is. It's all positioning with favors. It's all little stuff, but he's so essential to what they do. He's a more fleet of foot. Brook Lopez yeah, defensively right like Brooke gets to weigh like he's so good as a as a backline defender because of his timing on blocks, even if he's not getting to the ball, he's altering the shot and he's taking away the pass. It's huge huge I new Orleans their schedules pretty easy ever real shot to get this eight seat I think and I am incredibly excited if they do because I want to see this young team I'm I understand that Memphis is also incredibly fun young team. I don't know what it is about New Orleans that. I'm more excited about New Orleans, whereas you get more excited about Memphis. I get way more pumped about this. New Orleans, the most exciting player in basketball. Oh, man, see like I'd rather watch the I and then John Mirant. John Mirant is just like he's. He's six foot. One of Fuck you and I? Suspect that right like I can respect that sort of energy. He's trying to injure life every single time. He gets an opportunity to dunk. He is already the best miss dunker in the week. I Love Jammer. I'd pay ten thousand dollars to watch Jamarat live. Out. Williamson like you know your money to pay that, but yeah I get that. With Zion, Williams of man like. It's he's just so different in comparison. We've seen John Rant. Types before like Derrick rose when Derrick rose was young. It was kind of similar deal, right? We've never seen someone who is six foot, six two hundred ninety pounds, who is also literally the best athlete in the NBA? I agree I mean he listen. He's a freak, a complete freak of nature. But I I just think John More more fun right now and I love watching Ziad. I'd take Josh today as far as fun as far as far Zion is probably going to be the best player in the League. In a couple of years right I don't know of jaws. Ever GonNa hit that level. John might be. He might be the like he might lead the League, in assists next season. But I don. I don't think he's GonNa have the same aggregate impact that that Zion will, but for right now that guy is so much fun man, did they both have a great personality, but Josh Personality shows more on the floor. And I think he has a chance to like. Be The king endorsement God. Oh! Well well, he's. He's like A. A less angry, appearing Russell Westbrook. As with the same intensity, though yeah and and He's so. Skinny comparatively Fierce man like all the stuff that everyone loves about Russell Westbrook just never intimidated always going one hundred miles an hour. You know just reckless. Abandon all of that stuff and Joh- smiles a lot lately that super marketable. He's GonNa be he is going to be the king of endorsements. I'm right there with you. I love that guy man, and like watching him in the way he relate suicide teammates like you could already see. He has a lot of respect from from the the players that he plays with is so clearly like. I love that guy. I can sit and Gush about mirant all day. I think this is going to be terrifying. Next year I think they are a legitimate contender next year, Maybe not this year way. You're GONNA struck who. The PELICANS New Orleans Oh, yes. Championship contender. Let's say conference finals contender. That's that's the hottest thing I've ever heard. I think they are going to be awesome next year. I think that I'm not saying they're going to get there I. think that they're going to be a contender to get there. In the same way that like so you think it'd be like the fourth or fifth seat I think they're going to be like Denver was this year next year. You're crazy and I think that I. Think Zion's trajectory legitimately going to be so good to where he's averaging thirty points a night, and then they have a secondary option, withdrew holiday and another secondary option. Brandon Ingram. Is the Brandon Ingram fit. Bother you at all is not very good on the court. Not as much as you would think because I think that what Zion what makes him so. Unique is that he's able to get his points via dirty work in a way that is going to be very successful or just based off of spacing the floor space it all out for Zion because teams basically have to respect, bring ingram when he's behind the ARC now. If you space it out for Zion at the eighteen foot range, his first steps in power, combination is going to allow him just to blow by and get to the basket and then when he leaves the floor, you brandon, who can take over the offense, or if a team does shutdowns I enzymes are good enough passer to kick it out to a guy like brandon can go create his own shot in isolation. Who can go create his own shot? Out of a ball screen scenario, and then if he gets stopped, you can kick it out to jrue holiday on the other side of the court while Zion, relocates into the Dunker spot where he's one of the best rebounders in the NBA? I'm a little bit worried about fitting. All of Zion Brandon and Lonzo ball on the quarter wants right because of shooting concerns like I think that the. Steps on. This year's shooter. Yeah, the steps that Lonzo took this year's shooter are very encouraging and I think they're really really important, but he still doesn't get. The respect from defenses is a shooter. I think that if has another year shooting. He shot thirty eight percent from three this year on a large number of temps. If? He has another year like that teams really after respect him as shooter off the catch in the way that I, think they probably should now. I think this team is terrifying man, and by the way this means that they also have to keep derrick favors to. I think keeping Derrick favors is so essential to their defense. I agree I know that they have Jackson Hayes signing. Derrick favors like a one. Right, yes, there yet, right I think this team wins fifty games next year. If they keep that how? I get that that is an enormous leap. I get that it's it's probably going to be like a fifteen game leap based off the pace that they were on in terms of wins and losses, but you give a full season as I am Williamson. Worth six wins in comparison to what would have been. What? Would it have been? It would have been thirty five games or so. Something like that. I think that's probably worth five wins on its own. and I think that getting a chance to play with all of these is is going to allow him to be even more valuable defensively because he was kind of a mess on defense this year. We just be honest about it You get their favors in there. You get through holiday you get all of these guys I really think that it's just going to be I'M NOT GONNA say, it's going to be like curtains or anything like I think that the Lakers and clippers are still better teams, but I think this team has a chance to be the third best team in the West as soon as next year. That's incredible talent. I mean the talent. Is there a man? It's a good mix of hand. Young talent I, I'm not arguing the talent like I I really i. do think that there. They really are incredibly talented, but just just so much stuff. That would have to go right. In and I'm not saying it's impossible. At all I mean who expected Memphis to make the playoffs this year right I didn't right. They were going to be the worst team in basketball. I mean Memphis made a what would. They have been Probably A. Thirty win. Jump something like that huge. We'll I guess they weren't like a disaster. Last year would have been like a would have been like a ten win jump, but what young teams are ever any good? Like this, and so my expectation was that team didn't even really WanNa be good breath. I'm trying to think of examples of teams that have made leaps like this Base off of like the presence of a star It's probably not often because I'm saying. They're GONNA win like fifteen games more than what they did last year. That's an enormous number I understand that it's an enormous number. I just think they're that. Good I've really genuinely believed that they are gonNA be Like fifty team next year I mean it Milwaukee's a good example. They won Sixteen More Games from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. When you honest took the leap all, and but here's the thing I think. The rest of this roster is better than the rest of the Bucks Roster I. Don't think Zion's anywhere near Janas yet, but I think the rest of the Pelicans roster with Ingraham drew Lonzo Ball Jj Radic Derrick favors is better than what the bucks on there I know. We disagree completely on this. Really like I, I think it might be jrue holiday Chris Milton's all NBA player this year. Yeah! I agree he was the top I'd say he's a top twenty player in league this year I mean he's he literally is like one of the six best forwards in the league right, but I would say drew holidays that I'd say your holidays. The top thirty player Chris Middleton is better than drew holiday. Holidays, really freaking good man. Yeah, I mean, but also like bledsoe fairly good this year. BLEDSOE probably only be a defense this year, bledsoe probably all Defense Brooke Lope Brandon. Ingram made the All Star game this year Bruce Lopez might be the defensive player of the year. Yeah, but then you just compare them to what their favorites defensively to book better. Don't get me wrong better right so I I mean Dante even Chen's does very good. Yeah Gimme. GimMe Good Gimme Lonzo over Dante for sure. Oh, no way we disagree completely on that man. Oh, no way! Lonzo. They would would've been longer than they were I think. Lonzo is a lot better than Dante right now. Because Lonzo is one of the best passers league, he's one of the best transition players in the league. Andy's better defender than dots, which is where Dante provides a lot of his value, Andy's better shooter than Dante Right now. Not Better rebounder, not a better defender is he? I think Lonzo is probably better rebounder to I. Don't think. I don't think he is Dante great rebounder to. I agree but man. I think that you're under eight and Lonzo a little bit. Lonzo was really good this year he was he was. He was probably better than diva. Diva is pretty good. This year Dante was great I. Don't mean to disrespect, but it's like a difference of. Difference of tears to me like Lonzo at twenty five Oh. My rookie scale rankings and Dante was probably like fifty five or so. Yeah. We're GONNA. Disagree on that on the roster. Thing there. I think the PELICANS would have been better than they were this year. If that is even so, how many so here here's the question. How many games do you think would win without Jaanus? I mean I think they probably would win. They win there on. Like, sixty five percent with Mike that they probably wouldn't fifty. I don't think they went fifty I. Don't think Y'all. Is Worth more than fifteen months he might be. But. I'm just taking a guess I think. I do think that they they win fifty games without Janas. They're still pretty without Jaanus. Yeah I. Think it's like A. It's definitely a five hundred team. At least in the East I would say that right. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely like a forty five forty five games. Yeah, I think if you put the Pelicans in the east. Ease up their schedule a little bit. Because by the way the Pelicans have the hardest strength schedule I believe. The bucks were in the bottom five in terms of strength schedule this year I think that. It's probably about even I think they're probably about a five hundred team. You put drew holiday Brandon. Ingram Lonzo JJ radic derrick favors. Josh Heart. On a team in the east. Team probably where they would again fairly. Plus you give Brandon and Lonzo more room for growth, maybe four, maybe fifty games a strong. Maybe they win forty seven next year or something like that, okay? That's where I'm on the Pelicans I'm very high on the Pelicans so. Real finals contender. They're gonNA. Know team that looks like okay. See Two thousand nine. No teams are going to be like. Yeah, yeah, they look like okay. See Two thousand nine kind of a little bit different because they have a little more veteran presence on that team. On the PELICANS team, the I think they're gonNA be fucking awesome this year. like you look at what Dallas did this year Dallas was on pace for what Probably. Forty eight wins something like that. I think they were gonNA. Maybe fifty. Because what they had sixty seven games, they were forty and twenty. Seven is probably like between forty eight and fifty. So that's a fifteen win improvement for them. This year I. Think it's going to be a similar deal with New Orleans I really do. These last. You got me fired up about it I'm pumped. I, love when these young teams are good so I'm. I if you're going to be like. I I would love to see more. Teams like just get a jump. Start on being good if that makes sense, even if it's just one year, and then they're out the next year, and then they come back. I'm all about it. Gets blood in there. Maybe the better way to comp the bucks in New Orleans teams because I like. Did it opposite would be like Chris. Middleton is considerably better than Brandon. Ingram right now like by just because of the defense and the healthy is an isolation scorer. He's. He's just a lot better than brandon right now, Drew Holidays better by a pretty good amount than Eric Bledsoe. I don't disagree with that. Not as big as the gap is between Middleton and Ingram, but it's I. Think it's a gap. For sure all right. Let's talk about these last two teams relatively quick because it's Phoenix and Sacramento. Phoenix I think is a little bit more interesting because we're going to get to see the Andre, Eytan in the leap that the Andre took this year was awesome. I think these teams should be using this time to. Tighten some things up and I WANNA see I. WanNa see eight instruction the floor. I WANNA see eight trying to do stuff off the dribble. Can I. I don't WanNa. See that actually I. Do I do I WANNA just? Eight and was showing a so much stuff. especially on the defensive, but I want to see what he's got on the offensive end. Man What if he's like the Secret Unicorn? I think he might be but more than that with de'andre. Just fucking punish people on the block I. Think Too often he decides to. I don't want to say float because I don't really think he's a floater necessarily, but I think that he decides to sit in the mid post a little but too often and not just use his ridiculous frame and body to just kinda punish people in the paint when he has that ability. I think that that's more what I would wanNA see well. No I just want to see the versatility right I mean I. Like his little mid range jumper. Obviously, he's very skilled in the post, but I do think like. Why not work in some trail three opportunities for him? He's got the touch. Let's see it. Let's see it in practice. Use them almost a little bit like. Like the Spurs you see US Boris Diaw L.. Let's see it. Let's just see what happens. Get Weird with it experiment because you know you're getting to the point where. Other teams are going to be passing you over, and they already have to a certain degree. I mean we already don't really talk about the suns. We talk about the Pelicans the kings the grizzlies. The sons were supposed to be that up and coming young team. So why not see what you got man? I mean because eventually Devon. Booker's probably GONNA want to go to a contender, so let's let's start getting weird, and maybe maybe you stumble onto something with eight and that you didn't realize you had. Yeah and I want to note with Mikhail Bridges to. Mikhail was really good close the year Like a very very real starting caliber player in the NBA. The Andre the thing with the Andre as well. It's just defense. He was really good on defense this year. He wasn't like Lee. Level Center defensively, but he was actually a league average starting. In Year, two with the time he missed, he shown enough growth that if it's. Twenty Four. You've told me he was the best defensive center in the League. I could say I mean. He must have improved quite a bit, but you know what okay. I wouldn't shock me anymore. He has come a very long way since Arizona yeah, I don't think I would even go that far and someone who's a big fan of it, but He probably isn't going to get there, but I'm saying I've seen enough growth in a short amount of time that. It leads me to believe that there's still more untapped there. The last team in Sacramento I like the Aaron. Fox A lot. The conversation that happened on. Monday where the Kings continued to call Marvin Bagley position lists. Freshman Point Guard he's a point guard. He's center. Like what are you doing? Why? Why do you hurt me Sacramento? This is like. PORZINGAS playing the three in New York. Why, why? Why? You got old school basketball people. They see a guy who could put the ball in the floor three times in a row. Put. Luke was not an old school basketball guy when he was like in Golden, state keeps. He's not the head coach. School kind of guy in La. Oh! I don't think he's very good. I'm just going to say that now so. He's a classic case of my argument against hiring assistance and thinking that you know anything about the only time you know anything about anyone is if they were in your program so like you're elevating and assistant. Or they ran their own program. And so you know like you hire guy like Luke Walton off the bench from the best team in NBA, history And you give him an opportunity to coach, and you know you're surprised at. The results aren't any good. Because he had no track record. have no idea what he's good at. Its I'm with you. I think I've seen enough that I don't think he's very good. Yeah, it's actually pretty bad to be honest. I like we talk about often that. They're the coaching level in the NBA in general I. Think has gotten higher over the area, not a lot of coaches anymore. I think there are very very very very few bad coaches in the NBA right now. I have some concerns. With Luke Walton. He might be the one bright now. That really worries me. I, do want to mention Darren. Fox was awesome to close the year I thought he was great. buddy healed was really starting to figure things out to close the year after we moved to the bench. The boat on decision is going to be really interesting for them the summer. The probably have to pay him a Prodi's amount of money to stay. I'm going to be very very interested to see. I don't even know if it's what this team looks like, but. I'm just fascinated to watch all of this I. don't even know how to even describe what we're about to see. With Sacramento because they were just so weird throughout the course of the year I mean I. I don't know they were so good once. Fox was back in healthy. Yep, they had so much momentum I could've seen them catching memphis out of the three bubble teams like teams on the bubble. There I think that they had the best chance of catching memphis in the in the real regular season part of that has memphis was struggling with injuries a little bit, but but Sacramento really got their feet under them. having a point guard that he's going to be an all-star. Perennial all-star point, guard. Such a big deal. And I mean I think I give them just as good of a chance of being in that plan game is Portland New Orleans. MEMPHIS is pretty much in yeah I think I agree with you. The Memphis is going to be the team. San Antonio I'm not super. ENTHUSED ABOUT WATCHING Honest. Like we have not, we've literally not mentioned. The Spurs once on this episode. So with reason with good reason. I'm just not excited players, not going. What am I supposed to do with that? Yeah, the rest players not going. In work very good throughout the course of the year. The Mar-. I will say. There's part of me. That really enjoys watching Marta. Roseanne I understand that he becomes like this whipping boy on the Internet I kind of enjoyed watching this. It's a weird style of play to say that you enjoy watching, but I enjoy watching his. Craft in how he gets two shots now it's really impressive to me the way that he's able to create its shots. Interesting like just just the way that he moves off ball to position himself. Into a spot where he is comfortable. I think is exceptional. I think that he is A. He has a little bit more craft off bounce now. The Moody gets credit for there's something special to about like watching a mid range killer in the way that the NBA is now I'm not saying it's like wildly valuable. I'm just saying that. There's something about it that I enjoy. I'm with you because it reminds us. Maybe of what we grew up with and the marquee guys could do that could operate in that ranch. I'm not sure yeah. I'm not sure what it is either. Via the Johnson Murray. It's going to be important to track him. He certainly the guy that I wanNA see I want to see what his jump shot looks like coming back Obviously, it's only gonNA be naked sample, but I just wanted to continue to get as much information about his jump shot as possible you and I I think both are the foremost Derek whyte stance on the Internet. Oh. Yeah, for sure although I'm I'm I'm lower on him than I was just. You actually hear stagnation this year. A lot of that has to do with the. Back Court situation in San, Antonio and some of the weird rotational stuff. You know the fact that we didn't get to see John. Murray lani Walker and Derek whyte altogether at once very weird. We will see that in the bubble I I'm predicting that. I just don't know what's going on there. All the I don't know what their direction is I I am really start to place it like I was trying to protect them from my mock draft just came out today by the way while we're recording this. and. I'm struggling with like who even project to them right now like I. Don't know what they WANNA do. They. I kind of know what a Spurs Z. Prospect looks like, but I don't know what to think about like their direction where they see the modern game. You know what I like. They're not a free agent destination, so they're only path to getting to getting better is GonNa be through the draft. Maybe some smart trades here and there my assumptions tomorrow is GonNa pick up his option. They've still got the next season so next season I. They're just going roll back this team. Whoever they draft most likely winds up in the G. League for the season, unless they somehow get very lucky in the draft, so you know it's going to be another year of treading water. All right Dave I? Kept you see long? I'm trying to decide if I want to. This is like the longest podcasts done in forever. Yeah, I'm trying to decide. If I want to make this one podcast or to be, you gotTA. Make It A. Yeah. I think I am going to have to make it a two parter unfortunately. The freaking West's bringing thirteen teams like Magas and us like we failed the sign. We failed our our plans of. General quiet I feel like in the playoffs. FOR THE WEST THIS TIME! Wait, what do you mean? Just we failed in terms of keeping things shorter in brief remember when. We were going to start this podcast. Yeah, we're just trying to keep a shortened. Keep it. Well. This happens every time you and I are on a podcast together. Fuck man! What a we just ramble! What ridiculous move I blame myself. This is why you're better than me. Dave this flyer much better. Keep it tight I. Keep in touch. They've tell the people what's going on because you have a good piece of a new project. That's coming up, yes so. Well first of all THE ATHLETIC NBA show. We've got all of our biggest and brightest voices now on one podcast feet a huge steel. I know you're going to be popping in on murder quite a bit as as the season progresses in the postseason hits You know we've got buds basketball. Buds hosted by Zach Harper on Monday. We've got tampering with SAM. amick on Tuesday. We've got hoops adjacent with David Chen and elaborate on Wednesday. We've got this new show from Ethan Strauss and Marcus Thompson Thursday and nerd or with me, and Seth and Mo- have moved to Friday. is like literally. An action packed week of pots. Everything's GonNa come out the day that is supposed to which is really really nice for me because it means I know exactly what day all the shows that I wanted list to coming out we got that, and then you know the day's GonNa to be wrapping up soon as the game, start will be back to our every morning. right there and your podcast feed so big stuff happening at the athletic, and then you know we're. We're going to finish up our delete eight series me. Daniel ruined and South Park now of been looking at all the teams that were left out of the bubble and what they should be. The questions they should be asking themselves the free agents. They should be exploring. And just taking an assessment of what they had this season, and trying to look forward, and that's been a lot of fun, and and people seem to enjoy it, so we're going to the plan is we're going to do everybody before it's all over with. Go to the athletic read all thackery content avenue mock draft up. You can go find that they're I. also I'm going to have a is right up on the Kentucky prospects this on Wednesday. And then additionally I'm gonNA. Have maybe another one coming at the end of the week here so. Keep it locked at the athletic. Think that I guess that. I don't know if I'M GONNA. Make two parts or not. I might just force people to listen to all two hours. That's about idea. Doesn't it now do it? That's a that's a That's a calling the Pelicans making the finals next year. Sort of shot just do it. Yeah, like here's the thing. I mean I have another podcast scheduled already, with Spencer, Pearlman who I think is very smart, and very excited, talked to him about the NBA draft. And that's coming on Thursday psychotic to let role today. I'm with you. Scott let it rock sometimes man. Dave, thank you for coming on spending so much time with me. This has been the game theory podcast. Please rate review and subscribe. We will talk soon bye.

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"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash get up. That's indeed dot com slash get up. Get up with Connor McGregor. Did he actually retire last night? He says so should we take it seriously at answer is right off the top. Plus, we're less than a month away Mel kiper as new mantra, the top his interesting, you'll see where he has the quarterbacks and everyone else in about twelve minutes, and then while it's Janas versus hardened tonight. I will tell you definitively. There was only one choice for MVP in the NBA this year that and more. It is our up get up which starts right about. Now. We thank you for starting your day with us. I'm greenie, that's Jalen that Sean farnum. We are ready to go. We have tons on the tournament we have funds of basketball. But then while we were sleeping this story seems to have broken on Twitter or did it. We're not quite sure this is a tweet from Conor McGregor while you were in bed. Hey, guys quick announcement. I've decided to retire from the sport formerly known as mixed martial. Art today. I wish all my old colleagues. Well, going forward and competition. I now joy. My former partners on this venture already in retirement, proper PINA coladas on me, fellows, that was a little after ten o'clock last night that he tweeted that it's with pointing out he was on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon earlier in the day. Promoting when his next fight might be. So let's bring Brett Akimoto into this into this conversation here who's our ESPN MMA insider Brett, what can you tell us? You spoke with Dana White House. Seriously is he and should we be taking this? I think those are two different answers greenie. I mean, yeah, I did spe speak today. None briefly last night. And he was taking this pretty seriously. I was like come on Dana. I'm not taking the seriously. I mean, the guy was just on the tonight show as you referenced saying that he's negotiating his next fight in July. And then a couple of hours later, he saying he's retired. This looks like any Goshi nation tactic. And Dana white told me like listen, there's nothing going on to the negotiations that should fogs this type of message or this type of outbursts outbursts by Connor McGregor. And look, I am not of this of this opinion. But Dana white made a good point. He said the guy that has made a lot of money and fighting and he continues to make a lot of money outside of fighting. He has a lot of different revenue streams, including that proper whiskey that'd proper twelve whiskey that he is. So proud of. So a guy like that maybe fighting is is not highest on his priority now, and that's that's sort of what Dana white was saying like pay if the guy wants to retire than the best of luck to them. Yeah. I get that. And that's probably true. But, but you know him, and we don't obviously he's a larger than life figure, but it strikes. Me from the distance at which I watch that he lives for this. He loves fighting. I I've heard him referred to it as good bit of fun while he's out there. So it does he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who was looking to walk away. Do I have that? Right. You have that. Right. Yeah. I mean, he he looks like he's an impeccable shape and the guy's only fought twice in the last three years. He keeps his his his himself in in peak physical condition. One of his Manos is to stay ready to be able to take a fight on a moment's notice. He's constantly in the gym. He didn't look terrible against. How are we gonna off always falling last October? That was just a tough stylistic natural for him Conor McGregor. When made him special from the very beginning. Is how committed was that the sport? How dedicated he wasn't how he was with it. That's what made him stand apart. I don't think that that's all of a sudden now gone, but I think that when you make a nine figure payday against Floyd Mayweather, and you do have those other revenue streams, then not every fight may sense. Like it used to. I think you have to be selective. And that's what's happening with Conor McGregor. I I believe he's definitely still wants to compete. But he is just highly highly selective under the terms that he will do. So. All right. We will see there's all the twists and turns of this. I suppose are par for the course Brett well done. Thanks a million for getting up early force here. We appreciate it. And we will see you soon. I want to get you to the NBA game or the. Night last night in a variety of different ways and not all of them pretty that comes towards the end, Jalen blazers and nets last night. Damian Lillard diangelo Russel looking to put on a show one or two minutes to go in the fourth quarter nets. That's a five point lead not anymore that of merkich with the land Sanal, it's three blazers still down three. There's Lillard with Elaine. They cut it to one now. Eight seconds left with the nets up one point set courier on a steel and a foul and he's got an opportunity with two shots to put Portland ahead. You figure step Korea's gonna knock down these shots. Right. Surely surprised he didn't both of these free throws down. It was a terrific defensive effort snatching of often the ngelo Russell lake. He would miss the first then make the second. So we're tied. Nets take time out three and a half seconds left. Where are they going to go for the shot to get the game winner? They were still trying to figure that out greening. Ultimately, ended up at the end the Russell's hands lower percentage shot that he did live and it ends up in overtime where with fifteen seconds left. The Angelo Russell again open lane to the hoop. He's got it. He would score thirty nine. Points on this night of this one would tie game again at one thirty two blazers of a chance for the win. But once again, we're getting bad looks late in these games doubled on Lillard. That's the best they could do. And so we're going to second overtime under four minutes left. The score tied at one thirty two. We're gonna show you here Nerkez backing down and defender and scoring to give the blazers a two point lead. We're not gonna show you what would happen with him. Again. You're going to see him lying on the floor in pain. I tell you. This was one of those injuries sort of like the Paul George one that we've seen in some others. Jalen too graphic to show on television. Yeah. It was really gruesome greeny. And the fortunate thing for nurse is he was having a terrific game a season high points playoffs are approaching he's there anchor Donald off a lot of emotion on this. We'll talk about it in a moment. 'cause they'll show you how the game ended here with Portland up a dues. This is Jared Dudley who looks like he's blocked a shot here. And he's looking for a tie up. He's looking for jump ball doesn't get. Instead, they call a foul, and it's going to center Rodney hood to the line to shoot a Cup. Couple of free throws Dudley would argue. But to no avail they make the foul shots in the blazers would win it one forty eight one forty four. But no one was thinking about that. When it was done. I was playing the game in Vegas. Similar thing. Happened for Jordan does exactly what it looked like when I saw I was just like. Unfortunately, everyone to see that. Anybody let alone your team seen wanting approaches going that goes to goes down like that. I'm just let's just don't know what to say. But so I'm just gonna go home and pray for me because this is bigger than basketball. You know, I've just need to. I mean, we clicked plus, but we cannot have been celebrated be no because I mean, he was big part of our family. As far as on the court. The impact of Norwich inches is difficult to overstate. He's been very good Portland. Outscores teams by ten point four points per one hundred possessions when he's on the floor when he's on the bench. They outscored by nearly five points per one hundred possessions. So we use it incredibly important player. Even if he isn't a household name in the way that some of the other stars around the league are first off. I would just ask you both have you ever been on the floor for an injury like that? And what is it like on the floor in the building? When we see something like that happen. I haven't been on the floor. Someone had a gruesome injury like that. However as Daimler reference. I remember the Paul George injury happening. I remember the Shaun Livingston happening as a member of the clippers those are the two to stand out, and it's really unfortunate for Portland team or put themselves in a really good playoff position for what it's worth we see Paul George now a couple years removed from that the bones heal. That's what he has. He has fractures in the leg the bones heal. They come back stronger in the end and Georgia's now playing better than ever. So we certainly hope for that for nook. I was in the. In for Shaun Livingston that was covering the clippers for Fox Sports west at the time. For the NBA. And I just remember that this is a young man who had such a bright career ahead of them. Now, look what he's able to do. I mean, even this late stage in the game with the warriors. He's come back. He's reinvented himself. And that was as gruesome as an injury. I think I've ever seen in person. So we certainly hope it which ultimately will come back. But now, let's take it to the season where he certainly isn't going to play for them again this year, and they're a team no one pays attention to. But they're actually very good. How would you describe what this laws means for them? I'll give you another team. Also that people don't pay attention to the Indiana Pacers ends up happening is you look at the conference standings in the east in the west. Both of those teams will be in four five matches Indiana's going to be without their best player. Victor Deepal Portland is going to be without their best interior player in nurtured. Fortunately, that may put both of those squads positions to where they may not be able to advance because those losses are really going to be significant blazers got swept out of the first round a year ago. What do you make of the loss of of their big, man? Well, we'll get hurt some more at the offense. The numbers will. Tell you to hurt some more at the offensive end than it does the defensive end is thirty percent higher rate at the offense of and then ease of the defensive end floor. So that doesn't concern me as much based on the fact that I think there's other guys that can step up with their offense, but his size his stature everything that you'd ask for a playoff series. It is going to be a detriment for this team. They need CJ McCollum to come back. He's been out with a spray knee. He's do back sometime hopefully later on this week. And this is why you bow genus cantor from the knit. Yeah. He's going to come into supplemented out of that office in every bonding as world tough moment to watch. So obviously, first and foremost, you wish him the best as he will go through the recovery here. And again, I think there is evidence to suggest that ultimately he will come back, and we'll be generally able to play. And maybe as good as ever now on a show you something else that happened because it was weird the sun jazz sons atrocious, and maybe never worse. They've last night. But Devon Booker remarkably at twenty seven points in the first half these are third quarter highlights he would score twenty points in the quarter. But his team was down twenty and twenty five points. Is this is going along really dubious to see a guy score fifty nine points. Yet is team lose by thirty points. Overall. No one else and his team had double digits the next highest score was Andrei who would score nine. Now. I want to show you what happens in the fourth quarter here. Right. So the Suns are down twenty three and that's Booker going over fifty Trumper. There gave him fifty one later. He's got fifty three points. These drive in score. Ultimately, he's going to go to the bench with fifty six points with just over five minutes remaining. Okay. No way. He's coming back. Just under three minutes. They put him back in with fifty six. He'd make a foul shot to get the fifty seven make that to get to fifty nine. So watch what happened to your twenty seconds to go. Keep an eye on Booker off of free throw. The jazz are going to commit a foul away from him. They're going to foul the Anthony Melton. So that Booker does not get a chance to get to sixty jazz win by millions maybe told me. Maybe told me playing arenas like this. You know, it's a hostile game. And it's a fun environment to plan. So is trying to play up to the competition and play up to the energy of the game. Always tell the team, you know, before every game, you know, every game is a new opportunity, and I don't count myself out any game. No matter what the score is. No matter who we're playing, you know, I'm going full till in trying to do everything I can do to get a win. Sal again. I mean, it's the best of times the worst of times if you're Devon Booker is fifty nine points with sixty four percent of their scoring last night. That's the second highest Mark for any player in the game. Over the last sixty years you only want higher game. You'll remember Kobe Bryant Kobe scored eighty one. Now, let me take you to some games that actually mattered last night. Magic in the Sixers in the third quarter. The magic of a ten point lead. Michael Carter Williams is going to knock down to three and get a rebound BJ missed three beget rebound and finish at the written. That would perfectly sum up the Sixers night. They were terrible magic. When this game big one thousand nine hundred ninety eight magic are actually making a little bit of a playoff push. But for the Sixers that's a bad loss. Thunder. Take it on the grizzlies thunder struggling on defense. Howard Dorsey would score Twenty-one grizzlies would beat the thunder playing without Mike. Conley thunder lose it by a dozen. So you got the funder losing a game. They shouldn't last night. He got the Sixers losing a game. They shouldn't last night. You have the Celtics for suddenly nosediving. You have the warrior. So lose it inexplicable game the other night. You have all these teams that we think are good that are suddenly playing badly down the stretch. My question to you is are all of these teams already thinking about the play offs or they're legitimate concerns with some of these contenders going down the stretch there are legitimate concerns. And that's going to be the beauty of the NBA playoffs. Just like we're seeing an NCAA tournament. Even though you're a great team. You have all star level players MVP candidates. There are a lot of teams that are flogged the one team. You did not mention was the Milwaukee Bucks because they've been consistent the entire year injuries to factor in. But that's what's gonna create a lot of entry. Come to play a team. He didn't mention the Los Angeles Clippers if one nine last ten games, it's been really weak. So that benefits them, but to your point only three out of the eight teams in the Eastern Conference in the last ten games have a winning record. I mean, that's the playoff mode has not been activated for anybody. This not not LeBron and not for anybody else so far. And I think what it comes down to teams certain teams. We'll be able to turn on the. Warriors can turn it on. Lost that game against the Mavericks over the weekend. Right. Steph didn't play in the game. But overall, I just think the seventy Sixers. Yeah. There's concerns Celtics. Yeah. There's concerns Toronto. I think he's going to start to have some concerns as well. How you concerned about the warriors. Steve Kerr said it is more important to us to be healthy at our best. When we get to the playoffs than it is to get the one seat which was a little bit disappointing to here is one who's trying to pay attention to this regular season. What are you concerned about them at all if we're talking because Sern the only two teams, I'm not worried about are the books and the warriors I think that they've kind of have their identities, and therefore they'll be able to turn it on compla- off time. We'll see so right now we're struggling a little bit with those. We'll see if any of them wind up turning it on in time for the play offs, and how much that actually matters homecourt advantage. We'll see if these teams start playing for that. How oh, okay. See I in particular. This is a team that ten games ago, essentially was the three seat four seed in the Western Conference. Now there at the eighth they're going to make the playoffs because the kings aren't gonna win. Games. But if you're the if you okay, see, are you happy with that? No, you're not happy with. And here's the one thing that always wants to see when I watched him play Paul George has elevated himself. Russell Westbrook has been in MVP. I need them to get Stephen Adams more involved. I think as an offense a player he could score more at the he could rebound more. I think if they created a big three it would help their dynamic and also they struggle shooting the ball from the rim. There's one very interesting game on the schedule tonight thunder, excuse me, bucks and rockets and in fifteen minutes, I will tell you why the league MVP is playing in that game to finish Tivoli. I'll tell you which one of the two guys should win that award. Meanwhile, let me get you to some football because Mel kiper has put out his latest mock draft, and he has a new number one. He now has Arezzo selecting collar Murray first overall that is up from thirteen which is where we had him in his last mock draft. So he goes up to number one. That means Nick Bosa has to drop down, which is where Mel had him before. At number one doesn't fall. Mel now has going second overall to the forty Niners at number three. That's the first place. I looked to male has the jets taking Kentucky's Josh Allen. Who Mel says is the best pass rushing outside linebacker in this class? He says outside linebacker is a clear need for the jets raiders pick fourth male has them going with offensive tackle Quinn rooms the big fella in the middle of Alabama. Mel calling Oakland big winners. If Murray ones up going first overall, the value of that big may rise, the number five Mel has bucks. Taking LSU inside linebacker. Devon white who ran a four four two at the combine second-fastest forty by a linebacker at the combine in the last decade. I know what you're wondering greenie how about the other quarterbacks in this draft. Well, I'm glad you asked Mel has allows dates Dwayne Haskins going number six overall to the giants. He also was a pair of D ends coming up the board at eight and nine to the lions and the bills respectively, you want a closer look at this. Let us bring in for a closer look at this the one the only Melkite junior who joins us so mail. You've been waiting on this and you find. Have moved collar Murray up to number one. What was your thinking behind moving him there to Arizona really been since a combine didn't have the mock come out until today. But I think when you look at Cuyler Murray, you don't force a quarterback. Josh Rosen the fit into a system these not best suited for. So it works out perfectly for Arizona and cliff Kingsbury they can draft Kyle Americans duds fit ideally into Wickliffe Kingsbury wants to do. And then trae Josh Rosen. So I think it's a perfect storm for Tyler Murray to be the number one pick to team with the things that go. He wasn't head coach Grady move forward. Josh rosen. He's not in a situation. Now when you think about Steve kind to do that because he brought in a head coach who now has the right quarterback to run is often. So there you go. Throws a lot of things into flux as you point out including Josh Rosen. And then that brings us to Duane Haskins who many people myself included still believe is actually the best pro prospect at quarterback in this draft. You haven't projected to the giants at six because I know you don't project trades. But in reality, do you believe he will be there at six, you know, you hear the Walt gradient, and the thing is also you hear the maybe the giants wouldn't take him or they're not as intra all the stuff right now. Doesn't mean a lot soul four weeks ago? But I think when you look at are they going to pass for the second straight year on a quarterback like Haskins as they did last year with darnold. Josh allen. I don't think so, but you would have to as you said move up maybe two three to the jets. They're all signals are jets will move off a three, but you can have other teams looking to get Dwayne Haskins. You have Miami. Yeah. The Washington Redskins. There's going to be other teams looking to get to that third spot. Well, the giants going to be the one that do at grainy. I don't know. I'm as I said, I'm going to be stubborn about it. Because I really believe that's what the giants should do. We'll see if they do. It's gonna be fascinating to see. What Gettleman does they pick their? And they pick it seventeen they say they want to use that Kansas City Chiefs model of basically red shirt and the rookie quarterback behind the veteran as they did with Mahomes, if you're gonna do that you take Haskins this year. Absolutely. The other big news, of course, on the NFL just over the weekend is rob gronkowski an ounce, his retirement and the patriots. We were told yesterday. It is a very good tight end class here. How do you see the patriots trying to replace gronk in the draft? Well, first of all, you know that Josh Rosen could be in play. If you're going to trade them one out New England is the parents Tom Brady at the end of the first round with that pick. But if you keep that pick Pickering, you get the air to gronk and you get Irv Smith junior who played for Nick Sabin. You know, the closest clean fella chicken saving. You get a guy here at two hundred and forty two pounds runs a four six averaged over sixteen yards a catch with seven touchdowns they complete tight in place with desire place with this stretch that the Middle Earth Smith junior. I think it'd be a nice pick at the end of round one for the New England Patriots now well done you can see males entire latest mock draft. Right now, it's available on ESPN dot com. Mel thanks a million hundred Dan Orlovsky and really quickly for a quick question. Because Danny I've had you in here. A million times we've been talking about the top of this draft for what feels like forever. Do you believe it makes sense for the cardinals to take collar Murray number one overall? And he's the best player in the draft. And this is a guy that can change the cardinals organization. That's a big deal at number one. You have to change the organization. Don't forget the cardinals fired Steve Wilks in within eight days hired cliff Kingsbury. I mean, he was a marked man. And that's the guy that clip Kingsbury wants. And you know, greeny you can't allow what's on your roster to affect your decision making. When you have the number one pick. It's not all that foreign in the NFL Josh Rosen there. Yes. But two thousand fifteen the eagles trade Nick foles a second round pick and a fourth round pick for Sam Bradford in two thousand sixteen. They move up to get Carson Wentz. So moves like, this aren't all that foreign in the NFL Carlo Maria should be the number one pick. I agree with you, look if you're going to go do this you might as well go all in last year you hired. A coach and you drafted a quarterback in the top ten, and if you're willing to move on from both of them, then you need to do something that you are committed to it make sense to me that way as well. -absolutely? That's and again, I've said this before this is the opportunity for the cardinals to put cliff Kingsbury in a position to be successful. You kinda stepped out on the ledge with that higher. Go all in with it. And make sure that you give him the absolute best chance to succeed in bringing everything he wants to the NFL with this system. Kyle Murray's is special special player, and he has to change the cardinals organization. We don't know what he's like off the field. But on the field. He has the ability to absolutely make up for all the issues all the flaws that that roster has look it looks like it's going to be marine number one that puts two quarterbacks then in play one of them has Haskins and the other is Josh Rosen. Danny thank you. We'll see you a little bit later in the show here. We have more football to get to. We also have some history to explain it was forty years ago today that this game was played. I will explain to you a little later. Why might have been? Its own way, the most important basketball game ever, and it's Janas and hardened tonight. Coming up, I will tell you definitively. Why there was only one choice for MVP this year? That's next. You're watching get them on ESPN. Get up is brought to you by Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. And we're glad you've chosen start your morning with us here at kit up greeny, and Jalen and Sean foreign big half hour coming your way in exactly five minutes. Jalen rose. I'm gonna tell you why. There was only one choice for you to make. When you have your vote for MVP this year, then big changes coming to instant replay in the NFL. 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Some we'll call it a showdown between the league's top two candidates for MVP. But the truth is with all due respect to the Greek freak who was a brilliant player. There's only one choice for that award this NBA season. If James harden doesn't win it will be a joke. Where do I begin hardened leads the league in scoring by eight points a game over Paul George who was second that would be the largest differential since they started keeping track of that fifty years ago. In fact, if you removed every point that hardness scored in the fourth quarters of games this year, he would still lead the league in scoring. Let's talk about the streak of thirty point games that he had thirty two in a row when some people said member he was quote, padding his numbers do those people realize when that street began the rockets had the second worst record in the west. And when it was done they were in line for a home court in the first round in the tougher conference as they are now despite playing eighteen games without Chris Paul and fifteen without Clin. Capella? Harden has more games this year scoring fifty that? He does scoring under twenty five. He averages forty two points in games on zero days rest, and he scores more points per game than anyone in the league has since Michael Jordan thirty two years ago. The thing is you probably knew all of that. But did you know this James harden his second in the league this year in steals? He's just point two per game away from I and he's actually tied for the league lead in total deflections, so by his standards and candidly by anyone's he is doing it at both ends of the floor. So to me, there shouldn't even be a discussion here. Paul George is played great Janas has the best record and Dame Lillard is the least appreciated great player of his time. But James harden has single-handedly made the rockets championship contender if we take seriously the V in MVP he has to win it again. Let me bring that out to the table here into the one person sitting next to me who was a vote for this award. Go ahead. Jalen, tell me how you're going to vote this year for. MVP well done, sir. And I want people to know when you say Jaanus is the best player on the best team that can be a factor. But that's actually a lazy argument because if you wanted to do that, then we might as well give it to Steph curry every year and Kevin Durant with the goal, stay worst. But I agree with you as a released a hard here. A couple of more things that you can appreciate Janas has one game with forty five points hard, and has eleven hard has more fifty point gays this year than Larry Bird is shack in their entire careers have back the back fifty five point games. The only other guy to do that is Wilt Chamberlain. And we know he has his own record book. He has scored fifty points in a game four consecutive months. The only other guys do that MJ and wilt so his level of dominance. With defense gets my your voting for his. So why is telling me honest is going to win this award? Okay. The numbers are finding scoring is great. And that's wonderful. Okay. If we're talking about how the rockets are now a championship contender. Because of James harden. What's the last time? The bucks were a contender of anything Korean says nine thousand nine hundred seventy four the last time they had the best record in the NBA and how many players by the way NBA history have averaged twenty seven twelve and six over a whole season one the big, oh, that's it who has the best defensive rating in all of the NBA Jaanus. Okay. So while we can talk about the numbers. There's equal numbers that you thought the Janas this is much closer than you think. And I think you honest, would be honest would be getting my vote, you know, that you just gave me a distinction. I think what you were giving with analytics and what I'm giving the stats run. So they're countable numbers. Greenie had you had to think about that. Right. I'm still thinking about, but how can you differentiate and stand for example, things like defensive rating yet right stats are like how many games he has over forty point fifty points. Right. If you look at the entirety, though Jaanus is right there Jaanus Vegas says Jaanus is going to win. And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they like spreading veteran war. Word around. So I'm telling you, you're the one with you make sure they get this thing. Right. This hard deserve to win it. Now. I want to show you something else because I'm gonna call this done this in a while our favorite athlete of all time. Right. This second. We're going to give it to Francesco believe this is the power eight. Yes. Competition last. Last year's winner was I n Williamson. Just to make that clear that Francesca Levy, she's going to Stanford. That was the one hand diverse. Everybody loves it, the going crazy. He's got a perfect eighty score on that one. She would do another Dunkin get another perfect eighty. So she goes to the final round with a perfect score at one sixty. Here's I first get round to Jalen. Backboard. She's catching hoops in game action, by the way this year, she's been phenomenon. And here's her final dunk. Mile. We. Perfect eighty. She's the first female PowerAde jam fest dunk contest winners since Candace Parker in two thousand four congratulations. All right. As we go the Golden State Warriors could they win their fourth title and five years, and how long will this run last? We'll ask one of the architects when he joins us coming up next. But first a little sneaky, hembo, John looking to keep his streak alive against Barnum. Sean. The single game scoring record and the NCWA tournament seems so simple. And yet the answer so allusive if coming back you're watching get up on ESPN and a young lady going to Stanford. Back on get up on ESPN in the National Football League, as we speak is trying to figure out how to avoid the controversy at the no call that went a long way towards deciding last year's championship game. It is certainly a topic of discussion at this week's NFL annual league meetings. Saints coach, Sean Payton, who of course, was on the wrong side of that call had the following to say to the NFL network about whether or not they will and should implement the changes. He said, quote, I can't control that. In other words, you can only get so upset and so angry. But if not it tells you to some degree, there's part of you the believes that there were those in television that think that drama meaning of a missed. Call is perfect. That's hard to take that. There were those who believe that those are the words of Sean Payton, why should point out has been on the competition committee for very long time. Let's go live to Arizona where up early for us. As I fell insider, Dan Grazziano, he's there again at the league meetings. Dan, what is on the table right now? In terms of proposals to try. And solve that problem. Greeny there two proposals on the table from the competition committee one would expand instant replay to allow pass interference calls to be reviewed the coach's challenge. And then there's another one that would expand it to include pass interference calls roughing the passer and. Unnecessary hits on defenseless players. So those are the two competition committee proposal there are other proposals from teams Washington has one to allow every call to be reviewed, etc. But usually it's the competition committee proposals that get the most attention and are most likely to pass. The key thing to understand is that there are still NFL owners who opposed the idea of expanding instant replay based on the old slippery slope argument that has always applied here you need twenty four of the thirty two owners to approve a rule change. So the fact that they add one category of call the pass interference. That are high impact plays. It affect the outcomes of games. That's the NFL trying to figure out if the large body of ownership has an appetite for expansion of instant replay. If this proposal were to pass, then they could look at further expansion to the future knowing now that they're able to get twenty four votes for any kind of expansion. We should point out again that that play at the end of the NFC championship game was a no call. So it's not as it was a foul that. Could then be reviewed. This was a no call neither of the competition committee policies would change that. It's just the other one you were talking about with Washington what you could review literally anything. So in the end, what do you expect to happen? I think it's some point something gets passed. Now. It's a very complicated complicated issue with a wide range of opinions, and it's possible. And this has happened in the past with some of the more, hotly. Contested rule changes that the owners could float this and vote on it in may at their meeting in Florida if they can't come to a decision today, if there's still an argument to be made, but it's a hot button issue here. The NFL's head coaches had a meeting yesterday where they expressed a lot of frustration. Why can't these proposals? Go further. Why can't we have more replay? There are owners who are entrenched saying we don't want expansion of replay. We don't wanna have to our fans subjected to watching endless, reviews, etc. So there's a lot of opinions still to be heard in the discussion today, if I had to bet one way or the other and it could go anyway today, I would say there's a lot of discussion today and the proposal probably gets put off until may when the owners meet again in Florida. All right. We'll keep on top of that. And I'm gonna go from one Dan to another here. John grazziano. Thank you. I want to go back to Dan Orlovsky who's with us throughout the morning from. Bristol. And I'd like to get your perspective as a player, you lived this stuff. And you lived with these calls. What do you make of these proposals? And of what Sean Payton had to say. I mean, there's a lot of credence to what Sean Payton saying emotionally tied to it. But it's an entertainment world. And the proposal doesn't change the end result of that play the proposal for reviewing pessimists. Listen, you can review every play in the NFL. Whether it's on the offensive side of the defensive side. And so two to sit here and say we've got to make that review goes a little silly to me. I just think like this is football, and there's going to be miss calls. But we're also continuously trying to put bandaids on issues. Like, why are we trying to give bad officiating out? So if you get your coal wrong, we can review pass interference. Oh, if you missed the roughing the passer we can review it if you missed a defensive call we can review it we got to go at the root of the problem ingredient. I've said that so as a player, I go why can't we get the whole situation resolved rather than continuing to? Give officials outs for bad calls. Now. I know what you mean by that. Which is full time officials, and we can have that argument. Again, the next time that you here because you know, that I fully disagree with that perspective. There is one other thing I wanted to get your take on here. And that is that this week Browns general manager John Dorsey was on PF t live these those league meetings in Arizona's well, and he was asked about Cleveland's big deal Odell Beckham, and whether there's any concern about Beckham potentially becoming a distraction with some of his antics and some of his stuff in the media. And here's what Dorsey said he said, quote, you can't have enough passionate competitive guys on your football team. Here's a guy that shows up loves the game of football and his teammates. Love him to me. That speaks volumes when your teammates rave about you. Because that shows the Mark of who this person really is. So those were his comments this on top of on Sunday where we heard longtime giants owner John Mara saying that he gave quote unquote, reluctant approval to the Odell trade. So what are your thoughts? Here is all of this public talk is coming out now two weeks after the biggest deal of the year is made I love John doors. These comments in their spot on. About Dell and John Dorsey it's doing a really good job of understanding. He's in a rare situation right now with his quarterback and the roster makeup of their team where the division sits in the AFC. And so he he took a I guess it calculated chance if you wanna call it on Odell and he's exactly right. This guy has so many attributes that you've not only want but love in your player and don't forget thousand bit on bad teams. He he's been on frustrating in frustrating situations. It's a much healthier situation right now organization wise for the Browns that it is for the giants. It would John Mayer. It just sounds like sellers remorse. It sounds like you don't hear owners come out. Usually in these situations owners go we made a decision. We think it's best for our football team moving forward. You don't hear guys go I was really reluctant to make this move. Or it's going to be hard seeing him play for different Pupo team because John Mira understands visited himself. The unique talent Odell is. So it sounds like he could be a couple of weeks removed going. I don't really know. If this was the absolute best decision. But Dave Gettleman better be right. Let's just consider what you just said. And by the way, I agree with you. It is a healthier situation. Organizationally right now for the Cleveland Browns. Then the New York Giants, no one would have expected that. But I agree. Dan orlovsky? Thanks a million come back here. Next time. You get down to the city. We need to yell at each other a little bit. Okay. Now, I want to go back to sneaky, hembo, time because he's been hot. And he's got farnum working today. Here's the question. Sean farnum who owns as we turn to the NCAA tournament. These single game scoring record in NC doubly tournament history. Who you got I'm gonna go with Elvin Hayes at forty nine. I knew that you would get that wrong. Because this is a very tough one. The answer is Austin Carr who scored sixty one points in the first round of the nineteen seventy-two bad guests tournament ninth. Pretty good. Well, it wasn't a good guest. Well, it was it wasn't the right? Guess at average. I suppose any guests would have been just fine. Anyway. Austin Carr all time leading scorer in any individ-. Visual game in the tournament's history. So he wound up being an NBA player. And the one thing that I wanted you to do this morning was give those of us who watch these tournament games for two reasons. One the entertainment of it in to watching for which guys might wind up on our lousy NBA team of choice. Give me the five guys who to this point in the NCAA tournament, you have really increased their stock in the draft. Yeah. No guessing here because this is on full display. Okay. Let's start at number five guy who's really not on the draft board, but his playing his way onto the draft board right now, that's Kenny Wooten. I think Keti Mouton's been outstanding for ordered his ability to block shots at seven last time out against Irvine. He's athletically, just so superior. He reminds me of a really good version of another player that went to Oregon that place for a really good organization. Jordan bell the ability to impact the game in a variety of ways play above the rim can run rim to rim can guard. Multiple positions can show on ball screens. I think he is really helped himself early number four. Let's go to Finn. Do. Kevin kelly. I think he's the guy to me that has done a tremendous job coming off the bench. You're talking six ten to fifty Cashman able to shoot from the outside and knocked down three pointers. Florida state's offense has been a struggle at times. He has forty nine points off the bench in the NCAA tournament. He is playing his way into the first round right now as NBA scouts of executives are having the chance to see him on the biggest stage watching the biggest watching the best players on a team that right now, by the way legitimate chance to go to the final. Yeah. That's a good. One Maria Taylor has them going to the final four as well. All right. Who's it? Number three. All right. You talk about Garth play in the tournament. We always turn our attention to the guard. Why not turn our attention to North Carolina's? Toby what I recognize the head. He has been outstanding all season long. But the growth and development that you've seen this game is the maturing of true guard understanding when you come up with screen how the defense is guarding you how to choose Windsor facilitate or went to get your shot. He has the ability to score, we know. That ROY Williams called him the best scoring point guard. He's ever coached J Wilson the other day he could move into the top five in the draft. Is he hit top five potentially is already in the lottery as of right now is this tournament progresses. Yes. He has the opportunity to maybe move into the top like that who's to. All right. When you look at number two. This is this is a guy for that has just been outstanding. Brandon clark. We spent the whole year talking about Rui hatch Amora hatchet Moore's great hatch immerse going to be a lottery pick. He's going to get drafted in the teens and is going to be an incredible value for somebody because one of the things that stands out. Most to me is you're talking about the history of the game in in the incident from it only two other players had thirty five points and five blocked shots or more in a tournament game. David Robinson and Shaquille O'Neal now at Brandon Clark to the mix. And as he continues to play his athleticism meeting people and challenging people and he can block shots guarding the ball. He could block shots rotated from the help side physician, and he shows extremely well on ball screen there. Offensive versatility, Gonzaga is so much better than what it was in two thousand seventeen when they made the run of the national championship because they had shimmy Karnowski who's laterally challenged. He's not laterally challenged. All he's going to move up on draft Ford number one. There is no question who has helped themselves out more than anybody in this draft. And he's not even in it anymore because of his performance in the first and second round, John Mirant in my mind has passed RJ Barrett is the second pick in the NBA rep. He showed the ability to knock down the three point shot at a consistent rate over the course of this NCAA tournament, he cut down his turnovers in particular in game two he had seventy game. One part of those turnovers is also how he's just the ball and passing the ball to but his playmaking ability and the percentage of the offense came off of his fingertips. He has star power written all over him. He has the lettuces to explode and finish at the rim. And also the ability to shoot the outside jump villas gave us the cop. The other day of Russell Westbrook again, we're not trying to put that on the kid now. But that if you're looking. In an NBA player who's game. He might be similar to that is most comparable, especially when you look at those highlight dunks, you'll back to that dunk against Alabama reminds me a lot of Russell Westbrook going against Cal organ when he was at UCLA. They're they are the five players that Sean says have helped themselves the most as we head into the second week of the NC double A tournament. Meanwhile, the warriors they won on Sunday. They beat Detroit that was their fiftieth win of the season. It's their sixth straight season with at least fifty wins, the longest active streak in the NBA. They won three hundred fifteen games over the last five seasons. And if they knock off Memphis tomorrow, they will tie their own NBA record for most wins in a five season Spain, and that's excess by no means limited to the regular season. Golden State has been to the finals in four straight years tied for the second longest such streak in NBA history. And one three of those joining us now in our studio, we are delighted to welcome the president and CEO of the Golden State Warriors guy worked in the league office with David Stern for many as Rick wells Rooker to see you. Thank you. Very much you for coming by. These are exciting times for you. You joined the team in twenty eleven and that turn around there has just been ridiculous. There were twenty three and forty three in a strike shortened season. Now, it is a dynasty. That is almost unparalleled in the history of the league. How would you describe how you got from where you were to where you are? I think by being fareless. I think the ownership group bought the warriors Joel lak- Peter Guber set out with the vision and weren't afraid to try to execute against that even if it wasn't popular from time to time. And I think I would recommend to you though, if you're going to buy an NBA tees via one that already has Steph curry on the roster because your chances for success will be greatly enhanced I get it. But I mean, the reality of Steph curry wasn't Steph curry at that time that was not no one was projecting him turn into what he has become I covered the bulls when they won three state championships. And I saw how difficult it was at times to hold it together because they were traveling circus. You guys are like that. And we've seen it bubble over at times. We've seen some issues with K D twenty Monto whatever it is. How is everything held together? When those things get complicated. You know, I think it's leadership in locker room when your best player Steph. Curry it sets a tone for your team. I think having Steve Kerr and Bob Myers. Be the guys that have the hands on the tiller steering ship. Adds a real level of confidence in calmness. I think to what otherwise could be pretty crazy atmosphere. There is so much speculation as to what the future looks like from where you sit. Do you expect Kevin Durant to be a warrior next year? Let's Kevin Durant here. I don't know who can ask you that question. So you know, what job at hand playoffs to come. Hopefully, a run for it or another championship. And then we can worry about that stuff in July. I know for a lot of the players on the warriors and everyone involved in the organization, it's a very big deal because it's the last season in Oakland as you move across the bay to the new arena in San Francisco. And I think it's interesting. Well, so many people are looking you'll get bigger and bigger you guys are going to put him more intimate feel in the arena. What was the thinking behind that? Well, we think a big part of the success of an MBA team is the atmosphere. You have in your Reno at oracle arena. We've had the most amazing run the most amazing crowd. And we wanted to replicate everything we possibly could went from nineteen thousand five hundred seats to eighteen thousand seats, create an environment. That's going to be second to none for the players in. For the fans, it will be the construction of the chain center in San Francisco almost most complete and we will see maybe it'll be a place that you will raise a third consecutive NBA championship. And we will see thank you so much. Thank you for coming. Good luck with everything we'll see you as we get closer to the NBA playoffs as we continue. Speaking of NBA playoff matchups and legendary one. 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Tuesday Stock Talk 2/9

"Welcome to another edition the premium hoops podcasts. I'm your host mark schindler. Joined by my co host. Georgie nate. How you doing today man I'm doing good i'm ready. Would you say you're amped for today. I'm not on orlando's camps and i'm going to run with it for forever man. That's ohio thing it's up here. We say we're doing wicked. Awesome man. i. I rather stick with anti say that shit but yeah man. You want to introduce what we're doing today because we starting a new segment that we're going to be doing a. We're gonna be recording on mondays from here on out and it'll be dropping on tuesdays. Let the people know what we're doing. Okay so this stock talk. Is that what we agreed on yahoo. Yeah tuesday's talk. Talk every tuesday. We are going to be releasing basically. I mean. we're not actually buying stocks needs players or she could that'd be cool but Just kind of discussing players that are rising players are following As well as teams that are harder teams that are cold Keep in mind. It's weekly so most of the stuff is a small sample size so alava time if a player's hot we're gonna cut further back than just like this week. Like i have a player here who it's over his last like a lot of like eight and ten apples. Yeah so going back. A couple of weeks And yeah we're gonna release it every tuesday. The teams were were. I'd say me and mark are both really like we don't really talk shit about players we dom can low so the cold players part of it and maybe even the teams by not the teams will be harsh there but cold players. I mean over week sample or two example. It's so tough to take anything. Yeah i think it's going to be like we're talking about. It's going to be more like trending stuff you know looking at over. You know maybe a couple of weeks like it's easier to pinpoint after you know something. More specific happens but also we definitely want to hear from you guys and what you think. If there's anything you think we can do to make it better. 'cause it's to be working progress. We're adding stuff to it throughout. We have some cool ideas for production to on how he wanted to do things with that. But i'm pretty amps and got. They manage that was not even. I'm ready to. I've just an exciting person. In general mail let me have my let me have my moment right so we want to start talking about hockey players right or awesome. Do you wanna do you wanna kick off or do you want me to watch it all. Go ahead arc. Wa- i'm going to start off with somebody who i did kind of small threat on last night and that's the earned fox off one of your guys. It's an easy one. The i had there are two guys who i think are a little bit easier but then the rest are more minute on the grand scheme but darren fox has been insane i. I don't think i could lead off the segment without talking about the earn fox I mean he's ascended to our our friend brennan nez and on his pod kings. Paul bryant was not on that one but bryant west does as well we both of them. There on a group chat It's a group chat. Actually it's not just a group chat the the mba twitter group chat But anyways the aaron fox has just been ridiculous career. High three point attempt rate Downhill a just an aggressive rate. Do you want to know what he's shooting at the rim right now. I'm imagining you. Have the numbers. I have it in my notes. He shooting seventy percent the rim. This season like that is absurd. Man one hundred th percentile. Utah for And the fact that he's just able to actually destroy guys who are going underneath screens on him has been huge shooting. You know I lost my numbers. Thirty seven percent from three over the last eight games know league average. But that's still really damn good considering. He was shooting low thirty percent last year charlotte really variable And you just seems comfortable doing sticking seven a game. He's not turning the ball that much either. He's been grading for teammates. The kings are seven and one over that eight game stretch Again you know there are caveats on that when you dive in there were injuries to most of the teams but at the same time. Just the fact that this king's team looks like an actual team instead of you know a team that's playing. It almost looked like a team playing pickup and like as soon as the ball went the other way. like half. the guys just weren't there It's obviously not that reductive. But point being played the the kings are are like formidable now and they're above five hundred and without deer and fox or not even not even close to that. I had fox on my list as well. You hit everything. He basically every stat. I would've mentioned. He's he's been incredible and he's locking and talking like a superstar now because he had that quote about the nba all star game. It's happening hell. He thinks it's stupid. I mean i agree familiar thoughts on that but it's dumb that they're doing it. No it's it's super fucking dumb to the point of it but money but you know yeah exactly But yeah i got nothing else vox I've been kind of pretty pessimistic about him over the last couple years a maroon. We did a prospect ranking. Our first show i had fox relatively low In more that was just. I don't know if he can ever be the you know. Engine too good to great offense in. I don't know if i ever trusted that. She sh- i think he's answered a little bit of that. I still have questions about that. But we're not gonna get deep into that He's been he's been. I will say one thing i think. He's like proven enough. Now that i mean he's good enough to be the top player on on a potential playoff team player or offense. Yeah top offensive. Engine guy. Like i think that And his defense has been solitu- he's picked up on that end. Yeah so who. Who's your first guy who will list off. That isn't and fox. I'm going to this guy here that i'm not even gonna talk about numbers of them because the numbers are so absurd at this point i just have a couple of questions about him Because i was actually talking about it with a cj on twitter nicole yokich dude. Play off man. You still nice. It's fucking incredible. I mean i just wanna ask. So he asked is having the greatest offseason offense of season in the nba. Right now said he qurion durant are probably in its own right now at the top but i think yoga just probably have the greatest offense ofensive season in the nba with Agree with that. Yeah yeah one hundred percent like just in terms of what he's doing playmaking wise and the big thing is like you mentioned like just. The individual scoring is ridiculous for him i want. Let's we'll keep talking about this. But then i do wanna positive question the individual scoring but Keep going. I mean i hear nothing to say about the. That's credible i mean that's my question. Is it good that he's scoring like this. And i know that sounds counterintuitive to say almost but you look at how denver's playing around i believe they're twelve and ten at the time we're recording this. I don't remember. I think they played tonight But i mean point. Being yoga had fifty point game the other night and they lost a lot of that. You know they have injuries. Gary harris is out right now. Jamal murray is has been out for a few games in there and it's been dealing with nagging injuries but also was kinda. Come back down to earth They just have really struggled with their rotation being healthy and you know being competent when altogether too and two obviously you have a ton weighing on yokich Is it better for him. To be is primary scoring option or is it. I guess you know that's not even like okay. Let's just like this putting up thirty one. Twelve and six over his last ten on fifty seven percent from the field forty two percent from three and eighty four percent from the line saying like five through the game. So you can't really say that that's bad. There's not as bad maybe on a team level. It's not the greatest because it's you know if he's a if he's you know making reads their high level she always is but if if he's able to get easier looks straddling. Maybe that's better but regardless she's just absurd level right now. Yeah i ideally. I don't think he wants to take as many shots. As i don't think denver wants them to not even because like it's not efficient but because to actually win in the postseason at the next level. They know they're going to need. You can't be yokich burning up thirty Big contributions from others on. I think they were hoping that jamal. Murray came back. He was out for a while He's looked okay. But i think they're hoping one of them was just gonna take a significant leap. Maybe jamal mario was gonna play like bubble murray which hasn't happened which has been disappointing. He's been more or less the same player he's been Putting up eighteen four. Which i think is like just about his career average. It's two years like Is three point. Shooting just as striking inconsistent has it's been his whole career but yeah they don't want him shooting as much as like. I said that he doesn't wanna sheet this much. There's no way it took. It took two weeks for him to realize. Okay i gotta shoot for twenty times a game. I guess goes. He wasn't doing that cert- year. It was more like thirteen assists in like eighteen points. Now he's actually twenty a game and you said thirty one over the last whatever that was on games. Yeah he's thirty six minutes a night which he never his career last three years. It's right around thirty two so he's playing shift on more shooting a lot. More as usage rate is up I good for him and good for yokich fans. But it's not sustainable. It's not sustainable. Not going to able to. This isn't gonna win them. Anything in the postseason. Yeah i mean. I think in one hand it's like it's a double edged sword right like it's good that he's I don't want to say he's developing this mentality. i hate talking about mentalities. Because it's fucking annoying me. But like i mean i think there is something to it like yokich. Never been a guy who's like. I wanna score. You know. He's sometimes like i mean you know like in watching some of the the the game winning shots or buzzer beaters that he's hitting or just anything late in the game. I mean it's like effortless stuff. Okay i guess. I have to go do this now. And it's you know hits the sombor shuffle and onto the next one right. But i mean he's legitimately taking over games and it's not always resulting in wins because of the surrounding talent but yeah i agree so maybe in some ways it could be good for them in the playoffs. Because he's he's becoming a little bit more comfortable with having to do this but I'm interested to see how things kind of play out over the next couple of weeks because small small little. Sorry go ahead. No i was just gonna say. I mean Maybe he's able to keep some of his scoring prowess be more of a primary option When guys come back it's not like he's never not a primary option. But you know what i'm saying but I don't know regardless to i mean it's it's interesting because they just don't have backup center right now like isaiah hartenstein stein's rough this year bowl bowl. Believe it or not is not a A small forward And he hasn't really gotten a whole ton of run either and i don't know if he's ready to They just don't have backup center right now. And i get a lot of people clown the mason plumlee signing for detroit but you see how much they miss just having a competent backup. Yeah a small little nugget about him no pun intended on basketball reference. Wanted his nickname's cookie monster. Which kind of. I kind of like that. I also had one more question about him. Is this your more basketball historian than i am Really is this the great offense of season for a big man where we're sitting down now. It's so tough to say that because maybe even in the modern era no i mean i think shaq's two thousand one season is probably like the best offensive. See like maybe not offenses in general like. Obviously if you talk about just often season you gotta have like wealth up there like bill russell bill russell just like well kareem like the super efficient post scores and But i still think the most dominant best you know. Single run i've ever seen from post player was shacks Two thousand two thousand one playoffs and then he got to the line fifteen times a game over the entire playoffs an average like thirty seven in seventeen. So it's like he's good but i don't. I don't think it's quite that level yet. Which i even talk about somebody getting close. I'll tell you know how well which is playing. Yeah it's also really cool that arguably the two front runners appeared centers. I mean all right. Who's your next guy. Yeah so somebody also sweden about the other day Gary trent junior. And i really really like gary trend junior. I've liked him since last year. I just think you know she's smart. Water is wet and mark. Loves gary transgender. He's really good man. I'm not saying like obviously you if we were doing this. A couple of weeks ago before. C. j. got hurt. Cj mccollum would be on this He was just ridiculous out the gates. it's still super unfortunately the injury But what's it's not that it's been good but one of the things but that's been a slight positive for for portland is getting gary trent this opportunity to step up and start because he started every game since he has been out in those seven games. He shooting clean shooting. He's hitting clean twenty points so on league average true shooting percentage he hasn't been awesome inside the arc but he's shooting forty five percent on ten threes game Which is really damn good. He was a good shooter last year. He's been just as good this year if not better And he's a solid defender is not like incredible like his off ball. Not great nick. Clean up a little bit like any young player. But i like him at the point of attack. He's aggressive. He plays hard. He's a good athlete to i. Just think he brings them a new dimension and it's just interesting too because we see stuff like this pop up throughout the course of a year. Like guys who start playing well after injuries happen like it's it's very difficult to look at gerry. Try and what he's doing and he's also his on or good i mean he's a he's even which for oil or now solid But you know you look at that. How do you justify putting back on the bench after susie comes back obviously as a better player. But i don't know. I think they have to find new ways to to get him into the starting lineup because they're starting lineup. His is not been impressive. this year to say the least. Yeah he I mean ten attempts to game over his last seven from the forty five percent. That's ridiculous and we saw this. He was doing it down. The stretch last year in the bubble was really his coming out party when everyone hopped on the wagon end. He's just continue on the wagon. Before i would just like to mention that up. i'll give you that. He was even before he was starting the season he was still playing. Good he He was very he's always wasn't buried. Still getting twenty plus minutes tonight but now he's getting Thirty seven minutes tonight so They mean each. it's a great player. And like you said. I do have his off always But point attack on ball. He's a feisty dude he gets right up in your grill sturdy strong. He's not the tallest They will soon at six foot. Six six five and he is definitely a plus wingspan or regardless even if he's only like six four his wings fans big enough and he seems like generally pretty strong at the point of attack base. Pretty well Like what do you think about the idea of him. Starting with gary trent. I mean that was my call. Them in lillard yes. I know that's like i was talking to about this with somebody the other day i mean just yesterday like as much as i liked their jones junior his fit with robert. Covington has been really knocked on that front. And it's different too. Because i think they probably envisioned having zach collins right and You know if you have that collins out there with roco and eric jones junior that makes more sense. Because it's you know he you know collins and roko can boast based even if they're not really attacking closeouts. You can functionally us. Derek joneses is more of a role man or whatever but still it's it's ju- offenses just been rough and the defense isn't really good enough to The kind of qualify quantify. What they're doing. I think that's kind of where the The issues were lying roque up playing roco in each dj together share covington spaces the floor. But i mean it's one of those things where you know before this season miles. Turner like space the floor. But you're not hitting shit. I mean he's shooting thirty percents few years. Now we're his. Three point percentage is really dipped your home. It would help the offense. There's no doubting at putting him in there. Maybe bench dj jay. Maybe those three with covington and yousef when he's back as well I don't know. I don't know if you can get three guys standing six four below in today's nba. It should share. Their offense will be great. But i don't know if that's the tough one Junior who's a player. I really like these kind of On this year. Three points really good though like i mean he's he's really good defensively. I thought the three point shot was because he shot it better down the stretch last. I thought it was here to you. Know improve a little bit but it's not the same as your next guy the next guy. Let's go with monica with a rookie. Rookie i'm gonna shoot you. I probably took a rookie. I mean i took like the rookie. Okay never mind then okay. i'm immobile. I reckon love the kid. He's incredible he was my number one guy. He's a law people's number one guy on you know like draft twitter didn't go number one for some reason People i'm not going to get into that suffered edwards and weisman They've shown flashes but lamelo ball. I mean the last six games. Twenty two game five point seven boards six and a half assists on elite splits. Fifty forty one ninety two percent from deep Before the more percent from deep is what's really really get I can't enough of watching him in the floaters that he pulled from like seventeen feet sixteen feet from the free throw line or even behind that. It's so fun to watch. And he's He loves doing because he doesn't have the midrange pull up. his speed. inbound hill is your so electric in these last six games. He's getting to the line as well Which is really just getting downhill putting defenses in that rotation You know he's soul his live dribble past So absurd that teams are paranoid about that. He's just been actually against the room a lot. More over the stretch Just been incredible of him and halliburton has like the two studies. This year Which another day. I won't talk about halliburton but level. I mean i what are you. What are your thoughts on him. He's he's awesome man. I love washington play especially too. I mean i've been watching charlotte pretty close to start the year because i was excited for them And i had obviously you know. I had not watched lamelo at all other than highlights or anything so i didn't have a real formulated opinion on him. you just been a joy to watch man. I think what's so crazy to is. Luckily we're pretty tight with some of the better people out there in terms of talking about and covering the draft So we had pretty good perspectives on on what to expect with him but to compare what what we heard from like a national level on what Lamelo ball is going to be kinda wild because it just hasn't really come through it all like that like that. People talk about character concerns are like not playing hard and that has not been the case whatsoever. The on his effort on essentially is still not. He's not great on defense especially at the point of attack. His footwork is terrible. defensively but I mean he makes some place on off ball that are tremendous like his timing is instincts really good Even just wash them. They had a back to back series against the pacers and he was the biggest part of why they won the second game in split that series. i mean he. Can you just takes over for stretches already as a rookie without even necessarily scoring like. He's just so good at reading the game and Creating events on both sides. And i think as he continues to clean it up is going to be tremendous but regardless i mean he he's been really damn good for charlotte All right who's your next guy who was hooking. Somebody who. I actually was worried at the beginning of the year was maybe showing some major signs of regression from age and that is bowie onboard. Bogdanovich so to start the year his first eighteen games. Obviously the jazz had been playing incredible basketball but they have really turned it up over the last probably two or three weeks i would say Obviously have the number one record in the league right now but bowie on over. his first. eighteen games was putting up Thirteen points per game which was like his lowest since his rookie year on thirty seven percent from the field and thirty six and a half percent from three so he just was like he was getting nothing going inside the arc Even as outside shooting like thirty six and a half percent for him is like. That's that's crumb like i mean. He's he's such a good shooter In the last six games he shot fifty six percent from the field. Fifty five percent from three unlike a game and ninety three percent from the line and he's scoring twenty five points per game like again small sample size. But i think we're starting to see is really getting back into the back in a rhythm We're not going to talk about the defense He's you know we we know him. He's not an amazing passer. He's not a great rebounder. But i think him scoring at this level and just the fact that he's able to be that kind of high level release valve again is so huge for the jazz offense and they've already been like just about the best offense in the league without him playing that well So for him to really turn the corner. Obviously it's not gonna stay like that. But i think he's a borderline fifty forty ninety guy if he has everything going so i i just think you know we're we're back to seeing more of a regular on and i'm very happy about it because i washington. Yeah i think he kind of like the last there were before he got hot. Still fucking incredible Both offense-weak defensively and then he gets hot and they're still incredible He is he's awesome. I was watching that game against dallas where he had seven threes news. He got hot in the third quarter. Yeah i mean so boy andre in his defense like you mentioned isn't even fucking matter because they're still winning gold. Bears been so incredible. His defenses hurting them I'm glad you brought up. Utah lakers i mean. You might bring them up on a hot team. But i mean they've been all year in their their incredible some happy about at least somebody on their team killing it. Yeah so Who do you got man who else who else you got in here. I have a couple of players. I'm interested got who is near and dear to my heart to say the least Too fast tv so fast. He's only played one game mark since his injury. Where maybe to grant williams. I actually saw lights out great willing. I love this. I was gonna pick grant but i thought you might so i left off because i actually did tweet thread on him the other day go ahead. He's he's been good man he's been really good. Yeah the last four games. He's finally starting to get a little bit. More ron brad's not giving him the cold shoulder anymore Which is kinda just you know. He has big expectations for him. So that's kinda why does it But hey forty seven percent from deep this season it looks comfortable. Shooting them is a shit ton. More arc on him Like he these things like Like patrick william style. Things fall kelvin. Johnson yet but he is yeah right and he's not hesitating but and i think fifty two percent over the last four games and him knocking him down consistently keep him on the court because listen his defense. This season slipped a little bit. He he's not as great Specifically on ball. I would argue off ball and i do think he's been not great there as well he's been slow to rotate but on ball against quicker guys. I was kind of something he could do last year. But this year he just looks a little bigger and on ball. He always gets write up in people's faces right up in their faces. You and i step. He just gets. The player gets leveraged around him and it's just gone his his own ball. I think has been the most disappointing part of this year. specifically on the perimeter but him shooting deep from three. I mean that's just going to lock so much more because he has such amazing skill set. Where if they start because he's a great day job player. He's a great passer. Scenario is a great perimeter. Passer extra passer Just more minutes is great. And i think him hitting three consistently. Just gonna leave to that. Yeah yeah definitely Totally agree with that. I really enjoyed watching him even in in yesterday's game Lost but i thought he played pretty good role in that game The i mean. He's taking threes from above the break now. A lot more seems a lot more comfortable doing it. He i mean you can speak a little bit better than i can to him. Like inside the arc. He hasn't been awesome around the basket. but yeah do you think one spin move around every day. If you did do left in. That was actually pretty beautiful. I was pretty happy. I like i saw. I just kind of sit with like a note pad in my hand. In case want or anything down actually drama peres lou shit like i thought about clipping it. But i was like. I don't stop the game right now but those those pretty thin. I liked that. Do you think part of the defensive slippages like just in boston's defense is still like solid defensive rating wise but they have kind of shruggled. Not having i mean. I think losing gordon obviously makes a difference As we've seen like they've just had a lot of guys kind of in and out of the lineup and defensive synergy definitely hasn't been the same as it was last year. yeah. I think that's part because he's such a smart players so him now being not as crazy can me off. Ball is Is is surprising. I think part of that has to do with his minutes getting cut and he should so he's a too much going on at once and needle features knows he's out there you know. He has established role. Maybe that'll help it. Because he just has such a unique skill set. That hasn't really fully unlock jet But i don't even know if answer your question. What was your question. No that answered it. Like i mean like i asked part of it was like you know just having a team really hasn't gotten a chance to synergy is yet with last year. They had a great deal. They were heard all the in and out all this year. I mean kemba. The big four base break. Don't play together like Last year happened to. It's the celtics you know. It's the hospital celtics. They're they're charleston mass right now. They're not actually us in td garden but Yeah i mean like so actually kind of concurrently off that it's not it's not about like a hot or cold player necessarily but that's kind of similar like have you watched much portland this year a little bit one. Have you thought about roco defensively. Because a lot of people are like bring up saying that he hasn't played well defensively. And i think like it's kind of. I don't want to say it's redundant. But i just think it's almost an unfair thing to bring up because you look at like last year. I i pointed this out on the time line yesterdays because somebody said you know he's been underwhelming defensively and i was like well. Okay you put him on you put you started off with philadelphia and was a secondary player to a really great defensive player. Joel embiid and obviously good defensive player. In ben simmons. I mean. I should say great. Defensive player measurements to bully rokos guy. Who's gonna singlehandedly. Lift your defense. And so i think he's never been a gray shirt center. Yeah exactly and like he's never been a great on guy either like he's he's competitive but he's not super strong so i think i mean portland's just asking of on out of him as like their best defender i mean. He was not nurk when when he was even healthy or i shouldn't even say healthy when he was there. I don't i don't think he was healthy. Frankly so i think that's i mean we see that with guys the league. We've talked about this before on on another pie. With with some of the guys on how to be careful with paying or overpaying for role players because if they're around different primaries they might not look the same. And it's not even that that rokos been bad. I just think if if you're asking him to to cover up some problems on that defense and you think you're going to be able to make them better than the twenty eighth defense in the league. It's you know it's not really on him. He's somebody's going to raise a defense to being even better but he's not going to raise a shit defense to being a good defense allows us like a random thought ahead on that. Now i agree. I don't think unless you're a center that can just protect the pain if you are surrounded by port offensive players like roko. He plays the heat he plays down. Low a ton at before results permanent player like in his. His greatest attributes is help defense in his weak side rotations. He can cover up. Someone's mysterio tation. But he can't cover up for before he can't get over of everything you know what i mean. Because he's just he's the at initial help and then the guy's you start rotating around them and you know it's portland and they don't have the greatest d we know that Yeah who's your next who's cooking. Who's your last guy who's cooking guys. Actually so i'll i'll go. Quick number one is the anthony. Melton he's been fantastic. But the biggest thing i mean. He's been he's been fantastic since he's been in memphis and even before then but dissociate just five games since the highest since it came back a he'd been playing while the whole year but since the east come back Fifty percent from four in fifty percent from three. But he's taking five three two game. Which is that's not been something he was doing. Its career high three point attempt rate. The grizzlies are almost thirteen points per one hundred better with him on court right now. Obviously his defense is really good. But he's been a distributor still averaging forces per game not turning over the ball very much as usage rate has been up his turnover percentage has been down compared to last year And this is his first season granted. Twelve games sample size but the first season of his career where he does not have a negative offense box plus minus And that's that's huge him developing on that end and being more than just kind of connective guy. You know he's able to do a little bit mortgage to the rim He's taking and making threes just more. He's taking threes like obviously wanted to make him but just taking them as a huge part for his game and we know what he does defensively. So i've really liked that. He wasn't starting but every day that the anthony mountain takes five threes. As a day we get closer. To dillon brooks being a man. So which is what which is probably best. Yeah i don't mean that. As a this i just think it's awful for dillon brooks energy. He's an energy guy for some reason. I don't know why he's a gar- that fouls as much as he does but he does but that's energy nonetheless he gets out right up in people's faces and he's a he's a spark score you can shoot. He's better suited for that role If melton can continue to improve defensively be what he is and he hit the three inches. Take him Like you said it's huge. I mean he's always been like a he's been like the nba twitter darling. The yeah he's awesome. Dillon brooks i do like dillon. Brooks poor rural My last guy actually saw another rookie guy who i picked for rookie of the year which i shouldn't have picked for rookie of the year because i didn't know enough by the rookies to actually make a good guess but cool anthony. Anthony was really rough out the gates. orlando has not been good Mostly because of injuries I mean virtues is struggled a little bit lately. He has an injured. Fortunately aaron gordon is now out for like a month And they're just. They're they're in a really awkward spot right now But co anthony's been bryce buys the putting up thirteen five and five right now. Which for for anybody. That's that's pretty good. And he's doing it on a right about league average. True shooting percentage shooting fifty percent from three on a high volume of attempts. He's not turning over the ball. That much i've been. I've been impressed with him and i like him. He's still not somebody like you. You can see his game like okay like him. Working with is fantastic. I love that pairing I just loved the idea of him. Being able to work off somebody else. Not being like orlando knows. They can't rely on him to be somebody who's creating offense for them you know who's creating offense for others necessarily like not at a high level But he's been a nice surprise. It's good to see him a start to find some efficiency. Yeah he started the year. Like Not on fire but he had a couple of really impressive games the cooled off big time for a couple of weeks. He's starting to get his footing under him for a team is literally just decimated by injuries. Outside of its. It's like these players that he's playing with I mean they lose. Isaac for the year gets hurt. Get the year Who has got hurt. Gordon's now for a while Phone still struggling along but And even when he's been by his standards he is he's kinda shirl to morning has like not the not the change directions but this feels like if there is a year where orlando is going to sell off some of their spare parts and just trying transition towards rebuilding with some their younger guys I feel like this year. They sell off though boot. Bencher mendes. aaron. It's hard to trade. Aaron gordon sunnis injured right now. I mean you could still trade him. Evan four news definitely tradeable. he's on On an expiring believe I might be wrong on that. I can't remember. I'll pull it up. But regardless i mean has been really freaking good so i think if they're gonna make moves To to make more of solidified direction. Because like you think about it right now. They're in the thirteen seed. They're nine and fifteen. They're behind miami chicago cleveland. Toronto the knicks and ahead of washington in detroit. I don't they're going up from here given the injuries that they have right now. I mean cleveland is still good there. They lost larry nance which actually is going to hurt their defense but i. I don't think that they're just gonna fall off the face of the earth. I think that they'll be right at the same level as orlando if not a little bit better and they have a five game lead on them already so It'll be interesting to see how that turns out. Where do you think also five game. What am i talking about. That's a that's a one game lead. My guy can't tell what what. What could you get for because i mean right now. He's playing the best last his career outside of the kitchen. The almost i can think of song real quick. He's been in the third by center in the league this year. i don't know about third-best mean who might forget him. They met a bio bam swing. But yeah i mean. He's under control for the rest of this year. Two more years until he is unrestricted. Free agent is not making too much money. He's making mid twenty million My question is what team could really use a afford him and be really. You know need them. While i mean celtics twitter always talking about the tv so No i mean like that's that's very real place for him though maybe to ronald to. I don't know how to ronald matches that kind of salary but they are very devoid of any real Chris shays a tweet me like you really can't play. The five for for long stretches like chris boucher is phillies like man. That's asking a lot. So i think it just depends ronald wants to do like i have no idea. It's so weird because like again like we just mentioned him in toronto like they've gotten better over the last two weeks but they're still on the nine seed right now and they haven't really looked like world leaders like they look like a six seed. You know like i i don. I don't know who's who's around to make that trade you think. What do you think boston would have to give up. Obviously you're using the ep. What that's the thing. what young asset. So they're going to be able to trade. i mean either. Romeo langford ernie smith. I feel like all stood. They're gonna have to give up both. I don't probably give up thompson but knowing gaining age. He's not going to do that time. Lord they might give them time lord though he was on a radio. Call this last week. And said he's gonna use the he plans on using the exception not around the trade deadline okay. Well we'll see. I guess he can kick it to the offseason from what i've heard so they said he said there's been looking for wing shooting wing so said the report came out today that any cooking up there looking for the man idol. Believe i mean my my way of looking at your not even that. I think boston necessarily needs a big think. Tyson thompson have been fine credible. Leads borderlines at fine like they've been fine isis. Been better than thompson for sure. Thompson when the worst center on the team tommy thompson. Yeah definitely but like. I just think my point is like i don't think they have to get a senator but i want like if i'm boston. I want to get the best player. I possibly can with dp and right now. I think that is each like so. Yeah but we'll see on that you want to move to falling players. Yeah i don't have any but you do. You have to to feel bad for having to since you don't have any feel like a hater but all the first guy has to bring up as someone not even that he's been horrendous. Wait wait but i. I know who you can bring up as one of them and i'm going to bring him are now. You go ahead okay. Are you think about the same guy. Me is the third letter of his first name. Amr no okay go ahead. Oh i know who you're going to bring up but yeah okay. That's perfect My guy who can bring up plays for the indiana pacers And that is malcolm brogdon. Malcolm brogdon Looked like an all star for the month and a half two months of the season. I don't aren't we just now few months and i don't know something like that. And not even that. He's played bad per se. I think when you put in context and makes sense how much his offense has really struggled because it has over the last twelve games. So since the victor oladipo trade malcolm brogdon is shooting forty one and a half percent in the field. Thirty one point seven percent from three His catch and shoot numbers are down his pull up down and his usage is up. And so i mean we've seen a lot of. He's just really. He was thriving in in a lower usage role. Compared to last year with victor back and we'll victory wasn't even one hundred percent. There was somebody else on the team. Who commanded a lot of gravity and could get to the rim and opens up for the of the offense indiana's offense itself is really stagnated in a lot of that is alkam not being off ball as much and being asked to do a lot more than the offense. I'm hoping that some of that will level back out. Because i mansa drastic fall. Like you can t just looking at numbers right now. So in the first twelve games of the season you shooting forty eight percent in the fields. That's a seven percent decrease. He's shooting forty six percent from three point seven per game that is a sixteen fifteen percent decrease dropped twelve percent on catch and shoot threes. And he's dropped sixteen percent on his poll of threes which has been the biggest difference. He's just not comfortable pulling up from three. And it's it's it's starting to play on court like he's he's been a little bit more hesitant to take things Again it's difficult because they traded victory depot Things fortunately worked out for care silver I think works out about as well as you could hope. In terms of hint finding out that you had a mask on his kidney in them to taking care of it and now he is cancer free which is tremendous but just in terms of court losing a guy who is a real threat and real downhill has real downhill. Gravity and not replacing that with anything immediately on court is as ben a pretty negative impact on on on malcolm brogdon. I'm i'm glad. But i think it was about last week week and a half ago and i saw someone actually ask you this question for your mail bag up so coming up. He offered About of the three abroad and savona turner. Who's the most valuable. Because i was actually thinking about that the other day who who's the most important their success I think this makes it a little clear Because the way he was playing. There's a damn good case as malcolm brogdon as good a simone so as broadly. I actually saw right there with them. I'm doing that mailbag larison. I and i. I already have it in my mind. It sounds a grievous When you really put it down. But i think it goes malcolm miles and third domas third most important player. I have most important because you is good as don't losses you look at. I almost think he's more important in terms of somebody who can lift everybody else up rather than somebody's a high floor low soon player. That's for sure. Yes some like like. I think is a high ceiling kind of guy who can just blow your ceiling down the road with his more student. Why it's like right now. Like with malcolm. what he does offensively. He's the only guy on the team. You can do it when he's hot or when he's on he's only guy who can. Who's a real threat off the dribble. He's the only guy who can get downhill and create things for others. I mean teacher. Mcconnell can but he's not a threat to score at the rim not like mouths awesome at the rim. either. But i mean that's that's just too important to what the team is doing in the current structure and then i look at miles and the defense i mean. He's ben defensive player of the year so far this year. So he's made. It strives offensively. I i don't think he's a better player than domas necessarily But in a vacuum looking at what he does for the team defensively like they are a terrible defensive team with him off the court He has the the biggest on-off difference on the team right now and lots of little bit personnel. It does your car plane like they're not even playing like And i think they should be. There's spurs to put him in toz actually find them playing. He's been good. But i just think maybe it's a little bit because i value defense so much but like myles impact. Defensively is just huge And not that. I don't think don't moss makes an impact. But i don't know i think that's how i think tuna different ways to answer. There's for this current pacers team which you can rank them and then in a vacuum you know just random team draft then you might think there might be differences there but yeah yeah so guy. I'm gonna talk about you. Talked about your teams girl. What might seize point. Guard kemba walker. I mean we need to give him the benefit of the doubt. Sure he's coming back from knee injury. It's been bothering him for a longtime now. Apparently he's pain-free. I think the miniature subscriptions go. He's playing back to backs but And he doesn't look. He looks just as quick justice. Bercy justice fast. The shots just aren't falling in the slightest bit and room. Finishing he already wasn't great Didn't get much there but he could draw fouls down there. He can't even get to the line right now he he does that triple jumps in big dudes. They're not he's not getting a call. He's losing his mind Three point shot hasn't been fallen. Those midrange pull ups are starting to fall all but they weren't following the right. They should have last night against yesterday. Afternoon it's phoenix sunday afternoon. I believe he was to sixteen to start the game. Then you hit a couple of pup threes off. He laid me off yesterday. Like seeing cabinet thing other shots. Yeah which which leads me to believe. He said it's right now. She's on his head. Somebody give him the benefit of the doubt and think that it is But i mean listen. He's coming off a knee injury. He's on the wrong side of thirty. Now we're knows yeah no. It's tough with him. I'm really hopeful. not just for him but for boston to really enjoy watching that group i all right so i guess one and a half guys one with caveat number one kristaps porzingis defensively. I mean last year. Cody wrote a really good piece on. Why kristaps porzingis wasn't defensive player of the year but like just to show his defensive impact talking about you know how he should be talked about as somebody who is a big defensive impacter. He's been not that guy at all this year and again like you mentioned part of it. Is you know he's coming back from an injury so we have to be cognizant of that but at the same time i mean he just got. He's been absolutely just viscerally. Defensively like in that small series they played against golden state abused him On on on the defensive side of the ball so I'm definitely keeping notes on that. But my final guy is terrence. Ross actually so terrence ross. Who has never been the the paradigm of of absolute efficiency. That's for sure but to start to start the year. As one of the first nudes i noticed was like had outlier efficiency going on like yours putting up like prime glen rice numbers. He's shooting. i think he was averaging like twenty three or twenty four points per game on like sixty two or sixty. Three percent shooting was just like insanely hot from outside and he is completely lost. It over the last ten games shooting thirty eight percent from the field and twenty four percent from three which is not good And considering that he doesn't bring a whole ton else it's not been great for orlando and part of it is again. They have a lot of moving parts because so many guys are out through injury but again if orlando i mean. They paid him to be somebody who can step up and and put up scoring for them and he he really assure the do so over the last Last two or three weeks I'm just knowing how he plays. That will probably come back. He's never been shy to take a shot Zeph ross island has got to be right up there with with waiters islands. But maybe set a ross ross Ross peninsula or something like that. But i mean they play in florida's was maybe it's more peninsula but i'm sure that it will turn around but right now it is a it is not look great. Yeah i didn't even know. He's struggling like to be honest Yeah reference page his nickname. It's it's human torch right. Yeah humidors which is i. Watch a lot of the orlando magic. I can't say i'm proud of it. But i do watch live orlando. I like kim birch cameras fun. He's he's cool hot teams. I got hot team. Someone's about I'll lead off with one that we kind of already indian fox the kings of the last day. Seventy one like we mentioned Basically correlating perfectly with fox's hot stretch Besides like the first couple in some impressive wins like you said albeit over teams missing guys beat denver. They'd be clippers in the boston. I believe paul. George and bev sat the clippers game against boston though brown. No smart so. Take that for what it's worth but still they're beating teams. They should be beating and they pulling up some abso- upset wins. You know when the opportunity presents itself from guys are missing gas ninth and offense. The offense has been great They're deadlocked defense Yeah not a surprise. They're no longer historically bad at defend. Yeah they're getting better. Maybe four point five net rating Which leads you to believe Where they're at the season But hey they've been better not only fox who's been killing tires albarn instead. I was gonna bring them up. He's continuing to be probably him lamelo easily. The top two most impressive rookies who subtle brag. I remember one night in the discord yet. I said i do remember. I have a player. Here who kinda wanna put third. But i don't wanna get burned for ended up saying it was alberton and i backed off a bitch and ended up putting a sounds here. I put them in the range between three to eleven. That big deer. I think he went. What eleven or twelve nonetheless I digress harrison. barnes is having a good man. He's been incredible rashawn homes. Who i know you love. I do love doing great. He's just making winning. Plays all over court you know. They're they're fun. Feisty team to watch and i still don't know where they'd seen headed i do now. I mean best case. I still think they're probably in the playoff game but it's a good stretch for some players here in from a team that most people probably wrote off the susan. yeah good point. And i think to just looking last ten games They are ninth and offense one. Fourteen point four offense rating and they have you know they're they're it's for the kings that is good. They have a one. Twelve point five defensive rating over their last ten which is seventeenth in the league. But like you look. Give this team. And i think if you're playing like i mean it the problems not even they're starting group. I mean part of it is like i love four of their five. That close games at buddy. Healed is just. He's still wasn't having a great year Easily he's fine. I'm not trying to be harsh on him. I just think he's like you know he is he. He's an awkward fit with the kings right now and just like all the stuff that went down last year. Seems like that like so long ago that we don't even think about anymore the contract ocsar so weird but yeah they're bench is is is pretty rough. I mean they play cory. Joseph like big minutes and i love cory joseph. You tries really hard. But he's not. he's not an awesome basketball player. That's like the thing to stay. They he tragedy does try really hard though like he played for the pacers for your like very much so a balls to the wall guy but it doesn't always result inefficient offense to say the least but yeah i agree. I don't want to say i'm like impressive. The kings because i mean they're playing basketball now. I'm not going to give me credits. luke walton. I'd just think the players have been playing awesome and part of it's probably these systems. Do like watching. their half. offense is really good. i really enjoy washington play. They have some creative sets alvin. Gentry's done really good stuff for them. And i'm not too surprised about that. So yeah i would agree Do you want me to go or do you want your second team you go. I have probably have one of them. So i am going to put golden state knowledge. I was ready to write them off or anything in the beginning of the year but they were looking like a project like they were going to be trying to figure things out for a while also twelve and eleven right now in the eighth seed but over the last ten or five and five but they've played a pretty tough schedule for the most part And their seventh and offense intent than defense in that time Which for me like that. Sounds about right like. I think that they'll be the goal is that they're going to be. Maybe a little bit better offensively in I don't know how much better their defense is going to be. Because their defenses actually looked pretty good stretches draymond has been really good but he has not been good offensively outside passing like his shot is still not there. Utah below forty percent from the field in that time game stretch He's not even really taking threes but passing wise like he had a couple of games where he was just on one. Fifteen games a couple games ago. Putting up eight assists two and a half turnovers has really just been running the offense and getting career off and speaking of steph curry and frigging amazing. Thirty one points per game. Six boards six assists on fifty four fifty nine three shooting. Over his last. Ten just zambia. Fifty percent on what's the volume try like. I think it's like right around there yet. It's ridiculous but then the even bigger for me in the last ten uber and wiggins or both shooting thirty nine percent from three so they've really come back as much as i clown he kept shooting and it has worked out. He's shooting while again Or action say well again wasn't shooting. He's never been an awesome shooter but he's like shooting pretty pretty well now obviously and shooting above forty percent from the floor which says it's a victory considering worry was to begin the year And has been fine. I don't think he's been as good as some people are trying to make out it. Just like he's actually on a good team so that saying amounts of play this year. Do twitter twitter celebrating the hell out of the help side blocks or cool. I don't really think that the on defense has been like anything spectacular. These loses man a lot. And he's kinda he plays really high but Yeah i own state. It's going to be fine and especially with Some of the teams that will talk about in the following categories like think the golden state will will be a playoff team from what we've seen couple. Yeah i will say mark. We fumbled the back when he was dropped. The pod with within fox and now this pods dropping tomorrow so we lost our man. We have colder. We have to get in contact with zack. And say hey man. You're have to talk to us. But just let us know when you're dropping a pod so that we can know when not up one but Golden state i mean. There's a couple of role players in the team was a couple. I really am low on this. A couple of players has gone away anderson that he was he was really a player. Who can pass the ball. a is a good connector. Just everything i like him. air pasco. Who scores in bursts. I mean he's got plenty flaws. But i kind of like. They need him like you know the if he's not there them you know. It's gone away anderson or dream on green forcing up. These looks They still need a big in my. I mean james. Wiseman has been good. But i think that they set up and down and he's out right now with the wrist injury But they're kind of missing. Like i feel like one veteran guy in part of that's markey's crispy offer the year but i think like you could see that Like there was a stretch of the one of the games against dallas where they went double bag with willie cauley. Stein and Believed white powell. James johnson was like destroying them on the interior like so. I think that there is I don't. I don't know how sustainable it is to play a five-man small ball with of the guys that they're putting out there as real players I think some of these guys like brad brad. Forty blocked have there. He's he start. Every shot came from the left corner. I swear to god man. He hit like seven left corner. Threes was ridiculous. He i but he he started. He's not as bad as what he wants to start the season last season. He was incredible for phoenix. Arizona's incredible but he was good. You're a good player. You isn't as bad as he was playing. And i love the literally tries to poster. Everyone really does me about him. He's one of my favorite players to watch league. I'll be honest. Like i want him as a player. Also damian leash our damian leads ainley player or other hot team. And i had a conversation with this. With cody the other night. Our colleague The bucks they're starting to find their bruce. They're beating bad teams. Yes but and they're being badly on bad teams. They're destroying some of these teams by. Like i told cody this is what they doing to start the year. They weren't doing this there. Still first offense rating their eighth and defensive rating fifteen in eight now Four game winning streak. They beat portland without you. Know half their frigging roster. They beat indiana Who are also a couple of guys. And they beat up on. A cleveland twice They're they're experimenting with things this season. They're actually trying new things in the in the regular season which is good for them. Like it's gonna cost them Regulars in a bit but it could. It could be the difference. Making the postseason in i think but it's finally realized that he's trying things A lot of people have Janas being used as a roller a shit ton more year and as the screener. They're starting to try to switch a lot of things now. Defensively rather than being stuck in a drop coverage you. Don't switch anything scheme Experiment new things which is important. And you know. I'm not worried about the model. I still think you know there are. People can't afford brooklyn as the favourite. Still think milwaukee's right there with them. But no that's a good point in like i. I agree. I think this milwaukee team is better than last year's just looking at the rostrum personnel like I like before. I've been about the starters. Bobby portis has been huge off the bench. I know that he's not a good defender. He's really struggled as a rim-protector and i mean he's never going to be a good actors not a vertical athlete And he doesn't have great. You know timing is a shocker. Anything but like what he does for them and some of the things that they're able to do offensively with how well he he's spread and stretched for. You've just been a much more credible. Three point shooting threat than most of their pick and pop bigs last year like ilyasova always thought of is like a really good catch and shoot guy. He's not like awesome at it. Lobby shooting like forty five percents for three this year and that's not going to maintain but he's been a lot more comfortable in taking the threes developing good chemistry and centers. You already like. He just gives them another guy who can do things and he can get points on his own which you just need that off the bench sometimes regardless of how how defense an onerous workout like i know maybe that's a reductive way to look at it but i think that's an important point like you gotta have guys who can make something off the bench and we talked about that last year about how they needed guys could create for themselves off the bench but yeah. I'm i'm really impressed with this. Milwaukee team and i think drew holidays been unnecessary up upgrade. Of course you're going to mention like you know how much they give up to get him. But i think you're seeing this year how differently. They're able to play with him and him being able to stay on on on the court late in the game and that will translate playoffs. Wise but yeah. They're they're impressive app. Who's your other hot seen. My interest all say lukewarm team. My team that. I'm really i enjoy the hell out of watching but i i don't really i don't know where they're necessarily going Just because i think there's gonna be some trades potentially coming up soon for them and they've dealt with injuries and they had just had a recent injury to and that's houston rockets. A one on one point four defensive rating over the last ten games. They're offenses penn below league average but they still have a seven point eight net rating over ten games. They're seven and three John wall's been pretty solid shooting really well from three. He hasn't been a tremendous efficiency wise but he's been really good passing. Victory depot has been horrific efficiency wise. I think he's taking eighteen shots game right now. Shoot below forty percent from the field. I'm imagining that will come back in. You find more of a rhythm with the rockets but the biggest thing is just their role players have really looked good and not again. It's not even shooting scoring efficiency. Their defense has just been on a string. And so good like this is like. It's watching them. Play defense is like. It's orgasmic man like it's it's just the it's an experience i enjoy it. Jay sean tate and david nwe sterling brown and pj talker making rotations. Just so fun. Like they They're really really enjoyable basketball team. But i put lou. They have an athletic if they're rotating role their string their lineup his athletic full. Yeah wall That's why i'm lukewarm. Because christian was out for about a month. Now yeah so. I'm not anticipating them saying you know this hot moving forward but they are you know if they keep everybody together which it's not looking like it there have been some reports that they might troll depot But yeah i so i don't. I don't think it's going to continue. But they've been really fun team for me to watch and this is all without chem more junior who hopefully be returning somewhat soon high on last year like It's not a coincidence in my mind that since at harvard. They have the best defense in the nets out. Audi works hard on your it's has to do with james harden's individual defensive ability. It's more just his demeanor in his attitude on the core. Yeah you guys out Stone incredible player all right All right that's all for hot. i had to. I have one. Cold team are they. Who are they said one worthy gesture. I'm going to. I think this team who. I think actually just want a couple is dallas. I mean i think the record of where they are ad is a little irish They've negative two point five net rating. Which isn't terrible their sixteenth off on the year which is after having statistically in terms of offensive rating the greatest offseason offensive season of all time last year. That's surpri downgrade. yeah And defensively they've been twenty six this year. They're ten fourteen fourteenth in the west and doesn't they're dead last. Three point percentage while taking eighth most in the league at hertz and most of that is from there to top guys. luca imprisoning Are combining to take like thirteen and a half a game in their both shooting thirty one percent. That's gonna drag down quite a bit. I don't think it's as bad as he's been shooting. I think he's stepping. He's chilling out on these step back because he's realized don't ever go in just. I need to show them the i'ma pants but other offense whether defense i i don't even have an explanation for it outside of poisoning as it struggles. I think that's more or most of their lives because teams aren't shooting a ridiculous percentage against them at all. I think the middle of the pack basically everywhere the only area where they're really struggling is given up a ton of free throws fifth does against so they're following a ton but outside of that their defense i mean richardson's up and down but the personnel is not terrible. It's really. I don't really have an explanation for all i. I don't have an explanation for their offense. I think it's cold shooting. I think there'll be offensively defensively though i really just other than porzingas. I don't know why they're struggling. So bad from a welcome steam of law. I think part of it is i mean they've had You know we talked about guys being in and out of the lineup for For like orlando I mean look at dallas. They've had a ton of guys out in and out with injury I mean josh. Richardson just came back. A couple of games ago mexican just came back. So i am not there. They were in my like just out of you know considering them a following team because even though they're thirteenth in the west right now there i believe two games back of being in the four seed so I'm not too worried but if porzingas looks like this still defensively in two weeks than yeah i. i'm. I'm certainly worried. Because i it's not like you can't keep him the floor but it was getting to the point and especially in the golden state game like it was it was just. I mean they were going to try and attack him every single possession. So i'm hopefully game where he got pulled in freaked out. I don't think so it that game. He was having a great offensive game and he got pulled over. He was not having great offensive game against golden state. so it was. I don't think it was that game. Forget it was the chicago chicago. I think the amount of just which i don't know but go ahead finish you know goods. I mean i have confidence that a that. They'll round back into form at least somewhat better defensively. Because i don't if you remember but like the first two or three weeks they were like one of the top defenses in the league now as with most guys healthy. So i think they'll get back to being a some decent defensive team offense though i think a lot of is just luca has not was not in shape coming into the year and i still don't think he's you know entirely played himself back into shape which that's you know. Not the totally should on embolic. He kind of ready to play You know it's a tough season. The way things have worked out is difficult but at the same time i think that was certainly a negative for the mavs. And there's some things you know we've talked about. You can certainly clean up parts of his game. But i'm not super worried just because they've had so many issues with with health So i think they'll round back into form but you just mentioned one of my teams and that's the chicago bulls is today. Lauri markkanen his out for four to six weeks or no not for us. I think it's two to four weeks Though carter junior is already out for like another two or three weeks still and this team there are eleven the east. I don't know if you watch them. Lose to the portland on. An absolute heartbreaking buzzer beater. Damian lillard. I watched that In real time i mean they. They had a bunch of close games this past week past two weeks to five in their last seven and now they're looking at starting. You know three guys who are rookies or second your players. I mean patrick. Williams has been good this year. But he's i mean he's a rookie is nineteen years old. He's gonna make working stakes. Kobe white has not been that great. This year i mean he's made some strides but he's still not super-efficient zach. Levine has been tremendous this year. he's made improvements I think he's better passer. He's been doing a little bit more as a defensive player. But overall like where this both teams ari now. I mean. they're asking thirty two year old. Thad young he's been their second best player right now. He's been fantastic will like that's that's that's what i'm looking out like. This team is just. They're not going anywhere right now. With especially to with both lowrey and wendell out for this an extent like cristiano felicio is going to be playing heavy rotation minutes and he has been even with just. Because wendell's out like. I just don't know what was going to happen with this team over the next couple of weeks. I don't like speaking trades or anything into existence. But i mean with how well act is played and how bad the bulls are at this moment. I don't know man. I think that it's in my opinion. It would be more likely that we see xactly being traded by the trade deadline than that we don't and obviously i don't have any reporting or insider information on that but that's just i mean he wasn't are tourist karnisovas guy. That's who he inherited coming in. I think that he's probably willing to commit to a rebuild. 'cause you only get one chance to to make things happen as a gm man. I'm i'm interested to see what happens with chicago because right now as much. I love watching thad. Young play The bulls are not good. I don't know if levin. I don't know what the market would be for him on the. What team would we be interested in him Radnich value owns that shoe. And oh yeah two. But exactly like i wrote about them i if they trade that like they're they're worse on both ends of the floor by quite a bit young like that. Is it there with a lot. Yeah i think yeah. Patrick has been a bright spot. He's he's looked really good. I mean that'd be good for him. he's going to have a ton of minutes. Now he's gonna start. I mean he's he's started some games. He's playing a lot of minutes. So yeah yeah. They're they're really have much data chicago. They're in no they're in a weird spot I still find them. Fun to watch Oh yeah but Yeah i feel bad for our colleague. Evan have one last team to add. If you got time yeah go ahead The miami heat. We're at the point that i was gonna. I was gonna wait a week on them. See i see. I thought this and then i dove through some stuff today and i. I can't wait a week. Man they are nine and fourteen now and they are below the chicago bulls in that. We're talking about and jimmy butler is back. That's what i was like i. If you last week. I will but okay. Let's let's pull the pull up their schedule man. Like they're getting they got shit can buy both boston and toronto over this past week or not boston. What am i talking about My point i actually had the both pulled up still. They got absolutely this rated a couple times this past week there. One win is. I believe against the not one when they have a win against washington a win against the knicks who are good decent and winning the kings who are solid but that's a killed by washington as well as other game. Yeah exactly like they lost the charlotte. They lost the. They got killed by denver. They got killed by the clippers. They killed by the by brooklyn at say but my point is like this team. We went from earlier in the year. They were we were like okay. Well they just need to make a move in then they can start getting the ship. Going again I mean they are. They've dug themselves a deep enough whole already that it's going to be very difficult for them to get out of and get to a higher seed. And this is. I'm not trying to entertain the the scene was a fluke last year talks. Because i think that's bullshit but it look at the scene where they're at right now they just have. I mean tyler was not played. Well offensively this year. Goran dragic saw talk about his offense and defense has been just the middle of the pack. Their offense has been the real issue this year. Old offensive rating this year to start the year. I think they want a few games. I should have everyone saying this. Is the state i. I was one of the people who said when they. They beat milwaukee year. If i remember correctly and i was like this team might be the best offer. Beautiful game spurs. yeah Yeah they just. I don't know man. What do you think because i'm going to give them the benefit of doubt. I agree but it's a. It's a condensed year so it makes it harder to catch up in the standings. I don't know man. I mean baller has played eleven games. Oak about pushback butler has played. Eleven games now so My gosh i'm just seeing this now. Why bother hasn't hit a three this year. Yeah shoot exert. What does his totals. He's taken four dean and union ships on actually. Yeah i mean. Maybe i'm hitting the panic button yet but i i'm not i'm not gonna on what's going on over there. I won't hit the panic button. But i mean okay so even with jimmy back over the last five games they're three and two and the winds are sacramento washington new york and they lost to washington and charlotte. Like it's i don't know man i'm not. I'm not very positive on this team. Like i really thought. Going into the year mo- heartless has not worked out there at all. I thought that he was going to. I didn't think they were gonna miss. Jae crowder that much. I didn't know. I mean i think part of it too. I mean they lost some depth to losing derek jones. Union hurts them defensively in some of the stuff like when they were brought him at the four. That helped them a lot to. I don't know i'm just. I'm not sure i'll say on that. Is they struck out on your on us. Jimmy butler is the only kinda veteran team. I don't think maybe not this year but if they continue to charlotte it might be time to move on from butler build around these guys hero robinson bam but well. Yeah i mean you. Can't you can't trade here on robinson for for james harden so of course you'd build around them instead. I am not going to go as far as you. I don't think they're gonna have to do that. Jimmy butler still really good. But they current they they just have to. they have to improve the roster and they're playing. Which i'm sure so will i mean. Remember the eleven thirty year then. They went thirty and eleven the rest of the year. So i'm not. I'm never gonna count them out but i am worried but this was a this was a great introductory episode tuesday stock. Talk and i am looking forward to doing one next week. Anyone listening let us give us suggestions. Maybe new categories on new categories. We already do like a right play wednesday every wednesday afternoon. Hoops so maybe not plays obviously. 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NBA Draft Picks 13-18 and a Trade with Chad Ford, Brian Scalabrine, Ryan McDonough, & Locked On NBA Hosts | The Ultimate Mock Draft 2021

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NBA Draft Picks 13-18 and a Trade with Chad Ford, Brian Scalabrine, Ryan McDonough, & Locked On NBA Hosts | The Ultimate Mock Draft 2021

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Local branches call click grainger dot com or stop by grainger for the ones who get it done with the first pick in the nba. Eight mocked her first football wingspan. There's weaknesses to his game explosive athlete like his floor high ceiling. He's got to be the best. Lebron james this really should be that simple as tiny hand. Heaven boldly jalen green. Jonathan convenient. Jalen subs now. Let's senate oversaw odyssey expert. No white mama himself brian. Scall- is the man who built the world of nba draft coverage. Chad for jimmy. Pat does from odyssey and former nba gm ryan mcdonagh. Welcome to day. Three of twenty twenty one ultimate mock draft to production of odyssey as well as the lockdown podcast network. I'm david lock. Make sure you've subscribed on your odyssey app to get this five day extravaganza. If you haven't heard days one into please go back on the board right now. The indiana pieces have the clock. Ticking thirteen golden state's at fourteen washington at fifteen oklahoma sixteen memphis at seventeen and oklahoma city. Eighteen will cover those picks all today on the draft but we are hearing major trade rumors the new york knicks or supposedly hot on a bunch of phone calls. The warriors are interested in moving picks from what we're hearing around the league so there's a lot of different news and notes that you're going to get in regards to that. We're going to hear from some of the biggest names ryan mcdonagh former nba gm. Brian scallop greenie odyssey. Experts will stop. I plus chad for the nba draft. Goat will give his taken. What's taking place and right now at this point of the draft in our mock draft day one not a big surprise kate cunningham jalen green. Evan mobely jaylen suds followed by jonathan coming up day one of our nba mock draft. You can go back and watch it day to scotty. Barnes went six. Davy on mitchell went seven which led to big debate from raphael. Barloon richard statement on our main desk mussa's moody nine corey kiss ten fronts wagner eleven year williams and twelve jokes joining us now on the main desk locked on mba hills. Richard statement and raphael barlow raphael also youtube channel. Nba draft junkies raphael at this point of the draft picks in. Who's the winner. Who's the loser. What pick jumps out to you so far as like what were you doing. Pick what jump pick jumps out to. You is like they just got a lot better. The trade that sticks out to me. I'm still. I can't get over. Why sacramento kings one ad. Eric bledsoe unless they feel like they can move him there. Ziya williams pick to charlotte. I just think that the hornets. It's such a good job with a mental last year. You can say they fell into their lap. But i just don't think zaire is the player. The i would went went to be a complementary piece to star and lamelo ball. Richard stamen joins us on the main desk as well you can catch him locked on. Nba draft which you can follow on your odyssey app. Richard what are you seeing it winner loser so far in this draft. Yeah and the loser. Right now has to be charlotte. I really thought they reached for zaire. They really wanted him. Probably could have just traded back. That was a little bit of a head scratcher. I think the winner though is probably anyone in the top four can make an argument for just getting those guys not going out of order. I think is really direction. I will play devil's advocate to respond to ron fail. I think sacramento just really wanted off buddy yields contract and maybe they were putting this year but it is a weird direction to go with fox. Still wanting to win. He does contract decline. So they're saving money as the years. Go on and i think he'll is a much better player right now and this more valuable than let soap so yeah and i think it's an expiring right the contract so i think that might have been. Why four here. From chad ford as well as the draft dummies on where they're bored. Sit right now raphael. What are the next five players on your board book night. I mean i had him on higher. He's he's he's sitting there like you mentioned in the last episode. He's in the green room. Waiting was named. But i think at this area go book night. You got josh. cody johnson. Operation goon jalen johnson. Someone who. I saw a lotta of the top ten pick. He hasn't been selected. These next few picks are gonna be really interesting richard. There's been a lot of james book night. Love on this ultimate mock draft days. One and two. He hasn't been selected breakdown of his game. What you like about them so much but why also maybe somebody would have why he would have slipped like this. Yeah i think it comes down to the fact that you know call sex the trade market right now. He's not much of a facilitator and his market value may not be that hot. And that's something that you could compared to book night. As where one point eight assists per game as a top score doesn't jump out as a superstar mold and you can justify passing on him and he's pretty skinny. Buddies at three levels scoring can defend raphael weeks. Are this traffic. Most people say there's four you said there were six book. That was one of six. Why did you have them in one of your six being. God i just love creative shot. Great i love his offensive creativity. I love how you can get his shot. I had a chance to watch and work out in miami last week and one of the issues were his catching shoot and i feel like even though it was empty i feel. He's able to address that he's been putting in. Were at think that whoever lands james look night is going to get a very very good valued. That's the rothfield barlow board. That's the richard statement. Let's check in and find out. What chad ford and the nba draft dummies from lockton nba draft. After say. let's go to chad. Ford big board over to the big board desk chad. Ford is there. Chad with franz wagner. Going tens i williams going eleven. Pick not liked much by by barlow and richard jones. Going twelve interesting. Take by barlow. He's either going to be in europe or an all star but nowhere in between we'll see what he says on that. What's your take on those picks and how they've played out there. Those swing for the fences. Picks and and some ways you know zaire williams and i know rafael. I had talked about this before terrible at stanford. Almost nothing that you can point to in the game film or the statistics. That weren't him being a first round. Pick let alone a lottery. Pick but then you go watch him in high school and you see the six ten fluid versatile both offensively and defensive player. And you wonder did something happen is that is that players still there and the answer historically is sometimes yes and sometimes no and so taking zaire williams based off of what he did in high school eleven i think is totally appropriate taking what he did at stanford that's a massive massive reach but i'm generally okay with that in the same with cajones. I'm totally in line with rafael. He's either a home run. Or he's a strikeout. There's really no in between his such interesting physical tools for a player his size and still not much of a clue about actually how to play the game. All right. let's look at the want chad's big board and go to nba. big board. dot com jets got us newsletter on that as well and obviously you've got chad forge. Nba big board podcast. Let's look at that big board right now. Chad over a big board desk. Who are the best ball handlers available as we move on day three. We'll josh giddy comes to mind to me. He's a top ten pick in this draft and it's a little bit surprising to see him go that low but he's the guy for sure that when you're talking about a ball handler point guard that's there and then everybody else is a little bit further down. Whether that's jaden springer or miles. Mcbride or sheriff cooper all of those folks to me or sort of in the late teens early twenties. So really if you're if you're wanting a ball handler in this range josh. Gattis your guy. All right what about wings wings is sort of interesting. Because i think there's a few few guys left on the board that i think are going to be interesting. Prospects you start with johnson. Who is just an explosive athlete. And a guy that measured with a record. Forty eight inch vertical at the chicago. Combine and and really locks in on the defensive end. You've got jalen johnson. I'm not sure what you categorize him as a wing or a big. I'm not sure what he is but for a time he was a top ten. Pick on our border early. In the season out of dookie slid a little bit especially because of his decision to go ahead and leave duke early of that left a lot bad taste and a lot of people's mouths and then krista worte who is twenty four years old on draft night so almost historically old for a player to be drafted this highly. Lots of teams really like him. I think is rain. Starts at like golden state at fourteen. The wizards are looking at him at fifteen the knicks at nineteen. He had an incredible senior season. Or i understand the sort of desire to get a winglike him who can really do. Do it shoot. It can handle the basketball and defend multiple positions but twenty four years old man. That scares me a little bit. The washington wizards really interesting one. Because what are they going to do with brad beal. I think with their cap. That they need to move. Brad beal and i would be looking at the golden state warriors. Me james wiseman give me there to lottery picks. I think it's seven and fourteen take advantage of those opportunities right now. The warriors are in a win now scenario. Not anybody who's willing to give up three lottery. Picks for your guy right here right now. A lotta times. They do kicks in the future. But the wizards have a chance now to get better. So if i was them i would have the conversation with brad beal. Do you want to move and try to win a championship. They do have the ability to extend them only twenty eight years old so i could see him going down that road but if i was them i would look to the warriors to try to upgrade my roster with young guys and build with this new group westbrook. It's going to be there. He's going to be on the cap sheet. There's nothing you can do about it but if you can get younger maybe move westbrook two or three years down the road. You could be a really good team. The memphis grizzlies have unbelievable cap sheet. Have guys coming off the books but the one thing they need more than anything is schutte at a guy. Like duncan robinson. They love the push to pace. Dunkin obviously likes to run. He wants to get to space. He could stretch to floor. Open up the floor. for guys. like dillon. Brooks john moran even Jonas shoot us so they have a really good cap. She liked what they have. They have to hit it right in free agent. See because moving forward. Obviously you're going to have to pay job mirant. You're going to have to pay jaren jackson junior in future but right now i would target the best shooter. I can find twenty if in three point. Field goal percentage twenty four in points scored from three i. That's that's a suffered date number three of our ultimate 2021 mock draft. The indiana pacers are on the board at number thirteen. Let's see where tony east in the lac dot keyser's. Nba draft room makes their decision. Tony east here. From the lockdown pacers podcast with the thirteenth pick in the ultimate locked on mba. Mock draft indiana pacers select sharieff cooper. Six foot guard out of the university of auburn cooper was excellent for the tigers in his only season playing college basketball scoring over twenty points per game dishing out over a persists assists per game which really highlights skills. Well just by looking at the stats. Because he's excellent at getting by defenders and creating chance for both himself and others an invaluable skill in the nba. He can get into the teeth of the defense make is rotate around and shift to get to his own spots to score or to set of his teammates for productive inefficient shots to scorn and the current nba guys reverse on offense multifaceted and can create shots a really valuable. The atlanta hawks and the plant they had tons of those guys they were able to score a lots for often and made it to the conference finals. And so we think. Sheriff cooper can bring that to the pacers and indictable skill. That they need more of every team needs more of so sri cooper the pacers with the thirteenth overall. Pick it sam ferris here as always joined by my good friend. Co host cody the other member of the draft dummies. alright code. We just sell the indiana pacers. Make their pick. Give me your thoughts. It's our guys to reap cooper. The point guard out of auburn What are your thoughts. Seeing that selection. I love the pick. Sam and i are big fans of best player available in for me. He was one of those along with giddy. Who still on the board. Listen if cooper gets anything remotely close to a respectable jump shot. He's going to be one of the skills in this draft even as high as thirteen. He's that good of a playmaker. he's that much of a basketball savant. I love the pick here. I think his creation ability. Just that basketball. I too would translate anywhere. Yeah cody and i like to use the half joking line that if there were a stat of ridiculous highlight passes per thirty six minutes. Sheriff cooper would have shattered that. This year at auburn. Just he just has. You can't teach unbelievable vision. Both in the full court and in the half court I'm a big fan of his game in the pick there but now let's send it back over to the main desk. Are you guys ok. Your guy has not been taking. Night is not being taken again by the pacers. Everybody okay on this main desk okay. I think further he flaws he may end up in a better situation so it could be good. I mean it's not gonna help us tackle. He's going to lose money there but he could end up in relation. Pacers took sharieff cooper. Tell me a little bit about this guy. Cooper is the most exciting player in this draft. Little undersize there were some rumors that he grew six four found out that wasn't true undersized. I mean excellent. Excellent play maker if it were like the garden. I think he's the type of player that will new york knicks fans will love and i know a lot of nicknames hoping he will fall to them. But i'm curious to see how new patients coach. Rick carlisle deals with another rookie point guard. And it's like be. What is third rookie. Point guard in the last four years in a sense so the fit. There's interesting with with brian there so i heard rumors that bryant could be on the move. Trade is coming down for the fourteenth beckel. Update you on that second. But richard your take on cooper. Yeah it's a it's an interesting pick. I might have some choice. Words for tony east choosing him over james book night but for a coat. He's going to be playing for coach. That isn't historically good. Developing players in. Schrief cooper doesn't need that player development. He's not much of a shooter right now. He's really skinny. Gets to the line really well and gets to the basket at ease because he's lightning fast but the jump shot is concerned. He's very skinny. And self defense will naturally become an issue as well. There's other point guards that are out here. There's miles mcbride on west. Virginia there's gene springer out of tennessee. There's a kid illinois. Where do you guys ranked this kind of tier of point guards in this draft matt. Pink is a solid class. Schrief is the best as we would say pure point guard. I think he has the highest upside because he is outside of maybe judge giddy. Those are the two best passers in my opinion. make him. Here's eight assists a game in college. How often do we see eight assists per game college in a. I think he's dynamic. I just don't know about the fit. Especially with carla is guy i mean. He gave luca a lot of freedom. But i think sheriff cooper needs that type of freedom to be effective richard. Where do you rank these point. Guards cooper actually a little bit lower. There were a couple of guys. I would've taken before him. And it says a lot about the guard depth in this class where you can kind of pick and choose based on mike. Rafael said josh giddy would have been a guided considered christie. Worte with someone. I thought be on potentially on the board form especially for carlisle. You don't even need to develop the guy. He's like adding a free agent. The trade has come in. Here's what it is guys. The grizzlies have moved up to the fourteenth. Pick they have traded for the warriors. Michael moulder along with some pieces. Really basically salary cap filler kyle. Anderson goes tremendous to the warriors. Wow that feels like a perfect fit not just a good basketball player. And the warriors get the twenty twenty two first round pick of the utah jazz. The memphis had in the mike conley trade. So the warriors get kyle anderson and a first round project twenty hopefully said by the radio voice of the jazz late twenties pick of in exchange for the fourteenth pick. Let's talk about the warriors hall for a quick second. Here kyle anderson on the warriors. What's your thoughts on his facilitating. His match is play with steph. Curry hopefully a healthy klay thompson draymond green and the rest for i mean. It's definitely a win now. I don't know i would have done it. I still think james book could've been a fit and golden state came off the bench and been a bucket get even as trying to withdraw them pulled us but it just tells me that the warriors are looking to win right now and they're trying to make sure that there's window that they have right now think bring home another title to tell them. Richard you take on the deal. Yeah they have probably two years left in that window agree. James book night would probably be better more of an impact than kyle anderson. But i get it. You don't even have to wait to see kyle anderson impact like you would for book night. You get another playmaker next to steph. Curry is never about memphis. You pick james night. Let's find out if the memphis grizzlies have moved up to take the guy that's been sliding in our green room and is miserable night in the camera checking in on he and his family throughout on our ultimate mock draft job cohen. Here with the lockdown. Bruce lee podcast. After a trait that sit cowley anderson and the two thousand twenty two first round. Pick from the utah jazz to the golden state warriors. Fitness grizzlies are now the clock with pink. Fourteen in the two thousand twenty one mb ultimate nba draft with that selection memphis. Grizzlies select james book night as six three shooting guard out of the university of connecticut. The page reason why the grizzlies made this food with. Which would they focus on the future. Though certainly was a very valuable member of the grizzlies steered the twenty two thousand. Twenty twenty one season with an expiring contract and the likelihood that you'll want to make four four without likely the story of what this scene the grizzlies decided to make a plate for the future in acquiring pick for teat and being able to select james whose ability as a three little score his battalion as a player it also his ability to create his own shot and create separation. He is shot. Feels many needs for the grizzlies as a long term potential partner with john ramp for the grizzlies and even better part about all this is that. What the grease pig james s. fourteen. We still have our pick at seven teen to be able to add another intriguing piece to our future court so we have a trade here in the late lottery. Memphis trades up. They get james book night. The talented scoring guard from uconn in the deal is michael. Moulder alan small. And gary payton the third also i heading to memphis the golden state warriors in more of a win. Now move they get kyle anderson who can play right away and a twenty twenty. Two first round. Pick pick originally belonged to the utah jazz. I like work tonight scoring ability. He's a talented. Score is wired to score aggressively looks to get downhill and attack the basket. He's a pretty explosive athlete. I like his breakaway speed and transition as well as as ability to finish above the rim. This is player that identity hurley and the guys at uconn through some lobster and he knows how to create points average about five and a half free throw attempts per game and made seventy percent of them also memphis gets another talented young piece as they look to build around jamaran in jaren jackson june. It's finally happened. Book night has been taken will break down that plus more as we continue the ultimate mock draft picks number fifteen sixteen and seventeen all coming up and the knicks are supposedly trying to move up on the draft and we may hear from the. Nba's most talked about team before we're done today. We continue. It's the ultimate mock draft part of odyssey of locked on podcast network mock draft here of the ultimate mock draft. Subscribe on your odyssey option. Remember on draft night watched a live. Nba draft show originating live out of dallas texas with ravi barlow chad ford and our own john krause hosting it's available in the lockdown. Mba youtube channel. Starting at seven o'clock eastern also available on roku and amazon. Fire for you. It is free. it is live. It has overlooked experts. It's the biggest production ever the lockdown podcast network. And it'll be live on. Draft note streamed live as well on your odyssey apps coming up. Pick number fifteen. See what other traits might go down. We've already had one today as we continue on the ultimate twenty twenty one ultimate. Nba mock draft. james book. night has gone. our guys can finally relax. Washington is on the board. I'm david locke thanks very much for tuning in. We're getting to the halfway point of our mock draft here with the fifteenth. Pick of the draft and book night has gone so we have to find a new story line To talk about it's finally happened. So now who are the guys. We're at the stage of the draft. Half these guys are making it and half. These guys aren't like are there. Any sure thing picks in your mind at this point richard. I don't know if there really are at this point to be quite blunt. I mean there are some guys who have some really good qualities that can make them stick. But there's no guys like moses movie for example is a guy who has said in a previous episode that he can't fail and there's none of those players available i don't think right now outpouring shingle and turkey. Eighteen years old was the best player arguably arguably the best big europe won. Mvp of the turkish league which in my opinion is the second best domestic league europe. He is a guy that i think that has a high upside and could potentially be an all-star center raviol- you know anything about that. Turkish league spending time in turkey or any other nature. Sure did i. was there. Two thousand sixteen seventeen season and greatest here in my life is the world had a chance to go to all the games fans. They're crazy. And maybe i'm a little bit biased there but i really like she grew. But you've seen that league up close and personal with all your scouting and being there for a year. What what did you learn from. What did you learn seeing that in. Why is this guy so much. Well wanna turkish. League has a lot of high level american guys that were stars in college. They pay fast with place pace. It's similar to the nba in style as far as pace minister has it's still europe so still has elements of european basketball. But i i like what would shingle there. I mean he's worked on his body had a chance to watch him a couple of years ago. He slimmed-down phenomenal low post player. If this were two thousand one instead of two thousand twenty one. He is a top five. Pick wow gang will translate if you're on the board raphael no brainer on that one or other other guys you might take now. I mean. I don't even know the direction. The wizards were going. Are they in a rebuild ball but they got bill. You got westwood. Gaffer was good our selection goal. If if i'm the wizards. I think that he would be able to get a lot of easy buckets of west dump off. So we'll see the one thing they've been consistent they're drafting. They're working on the merchandising. Because they're the number one ticket sales in japan and israel with fixing the last two years so they can become they can continue with that merchandising. If they were to follow your lead just out of interest you guys last year. we didn't. We didn't have both you on the show yet. you did. A lot of work obviously avocado. What did you think of kim coming into the draft of. What do you think of his rookie year for washington high. I had a chance to watch him play. I think that he went to the wrong team. Because i think he's more silva point four. He needs to ball in his hands. And you pill. Westbrook and billion have a lot of opportunities to play the boss oil filter. He stood in the corner a little too much. The knock on him was his shooting. And that's the role that he ended up planned for visits the shooter. So i think in a different situation he would have been able to showcase what he's strint. Yeah and i completely agree. He was put in the worst role at the highest usage. But i still think biking said washington's direction as you're so unpredictable right now that could still out in the long term. And i'm still pretty high on. Let's go to the lockdown wizards draft room and see where they make what they make with the fifteenth. Pick of the nba draft. What's going on washington wizards fan at all from the walk on wizards podcast with the team for the nba. Draft of washington wizards select. Chris do worte of oregon is six hundred six hundred ninety pounds. He's twenty four years old. This guy in all was all pac. Twelve defensive team was the pac twelve player of the year. Sports seventeen points per game average one point nine steals per game. This guy has a high motor am pleased with a lot of intensity visit in something that the washington have lagged defensively for the past three or four years guy he's strapped guys up he scraps desmond and he shot forty two percent report line. The wizard desperately desperately need three-point shooting. We didn't ask you a lot of these last year. We didn't have make a lot of threes last year. Especially for a guy like russell. Westbrook drives the lanes and creates for guys and he racks up triple doubles. He's gonna find open shooters like crystal rt for wide open as low korean. He's going to be a guy that can knock it down criminal words. Hey is very athletic as well. Sixty six hundred ninety. This guy will be a nice three. Indy shooting guard slash small for to come in to help out russell bradley build. This is a guy who was twenty four years old twenty four years old. Who's on the older side. But the wizards need immediate help. We don't have time to wait on a developmental. Nineteen year old project pig at fifteen in the middle of the draft guys christopher. Rj will come in at a media. Help shooting the ball in defending on the other. End is scrap of the washington wizards. This will be a solid. Excellent pig adult oregon hearing now the sixteenth pick has been acquired by the new york knicks. So we'll before we get that What you guys thought on. What the wizards just did with six with the fifteenth pick of this draft. I mean this insurance for bill bill size that he wants to opt out. Christopher taking organ is a guy that one of the most year over fifty percent from four forty percents bree. He's able to contribute right away. He's like forty years old. Yeah he's he's. He's a little bit older. I mean he's allowed been leadership team. If i hear somebody say young rookie about him. i'm going really wonder about. But they'll seriously he's twenty four years old like richard. You made the comment earlier. I think it would be like signing a free agent. Like i mean. He's he's close to agent devon booker. Who's on his second contract. And you know you cam johnson. The speaking of players like you know someone that age to devon booker cam johnson. I was very low on because of the age. And i think that's something we should learn from. He's been key rotation player in this finals. Run we talked about this. Really and i interrupted you apologised but on the h. thing it might only be a top ten phenomenal when you're looking for somebody on upside. Maybe that age issue but when you start to drop down to fifteen twenty. Maybe you shouldn't worry about age. Yeah i agree. The problem is we just. Don't know the direction wizards are going and right now. It looks like they're going to win now because they chose veteran. Remember when you were a little kid. You're the bathtub. You got that little toy that you wind up and you put it in the middle of the top and it goes all sorts of different areas. You have no idea where it's going you got it all right. Let's continue let's find out. What the odyssey expert. Travis thomas thinks about. What the wizards doing. And then check in with chad ford. I believe crystal worte. The swing man from oregon is a perfect fit for the washington wizards in this draft. I loved watching. Door at oregon. He averaged seventeen points per game. He shot fifty three percent from the floor and forty two percent from three. He was an all american and was consistently hitting big shots and big moments down the stretch. For oregon. I thought he showed tremendous leadership abilities leading the ducks to the pac twelve regular season title. And then a sweet sixteen run. And that's why he'll work in washington he's a grownup twenty. Four years old. He's moved around all his life from different schools. Two locations including internationally. The league won't be too much for him to handle plus because of his age and maturity he'll be able to play and help you win right away day one. i'm telling you swing man from oregon. Crystal worte is exactly what bradley beal and russell westbrook need in this draft from the washington wizards duarte averaged seventeen points a game. He shot fifty three percent from the floor. Forty two percent from three. I thought he showed tremendous leadership abilities leading the oregon ducks to the pac twelve regular season title and a sweet sixteen run. Now duarte's twenty four years old. He's moved around all his life from different schools. Two locations including international travel to establish stars and beal and westbrook won't be too much for him to handle plus because of his age and his maturity. He'll be able to play and help you win right away day one. This team is lacking a player with the skill. Set of duarte. Nobody will be happier then. Westbrook and bill with this election from the washington wizards time now to go back to the chad ford. Nba big jab. We open today with your nba. Big board other than bach night. Not a lot of i guess Duarte some of the other guys haven't actually gone yet. What's going on in this. Mock draft is as the ultimate mock draft plays out right now while bigs are dropping. That doesn't surprise me somewhat in the trend in this league. But there's some really talented pigs that are left on the board. We talked about opera singer for some teams have him as top six seven. Pick in this draft. He's still on the board manga rubel out of spain guy. That's actually playing real minutes on real madrid right now. Seventy three wingspan. Maybe the best big man defender in the draft. You've got isaiah jackson out of kentucky right now. Who's the best shop locker rim-protector in this draft very young player. Seven five wingspan on. Isaiah jackson doesn't have a lot going offensively yet but an elite rim-protector right now so little bit surprising to see all of those guys sliding at this point in the draft. New york. Knicks have traded now into the sixteenth spot of this draft and We'll get some details more on it but What what's on the board for them right now. What what do you think they would be looking at here at sixteen. we'll tom. Thibodeau hates rookies. He historically has and if he has a rookie. You'd better come in and play really really tough defense and get it done even. Ob topping had a hard time getting significant minutes in new york even though he was an older player right now and so it'll be interesting to see which of these guys left was a guy that they really have their sights on. He's not here on this draft. And so i think that's going to be frustrated for him. Jane springer is a tough guy. Who actually think sort of fits the mold miles mcbride out of west virginia. Another guy who played in. Bob huggins system is going to be really tough. It's going to be able to stretch the four. I'm he could be interesting. And you know there's an infatuation with this next front office with kentucky players as well and so maybe this is where isaiah jackson out of kentucky up coming they could certainly continue to use rim protection as well. He's chad ford. Nba big border remember. You can catch him live on draft night only one spot the locked on live show. That will air at seven o'clock eastern on july twenty ninth. It is brought to you by built bar. You'll be live on on. Nba youtube channel as well as on amazon fire and roku various places for you there so make sure you remember chad ford. You want his dry. Drafty coverage will be live on the w faa studios in dallas. And it'll be streamed live on your odyssey app as well. The knicks have in fact acquired the sixteenth pick. Kind of our point. They send kevin knox and the nineteenth pick with kevin knox to oklahoma city. And they move up to get the sixteenth. Pick in this draft. Let's touch on kevin knox for a second. He was the pick of the draft a few years ago. Why did he fail richard. I mean i think it's just that he can create his own shot and couldn't really make a ton of shots. I think it's that simple lesson to this year's draft to that of god's we've been talking about that we should be looking at and saying that should concern you well. I'll violate everything. I've said for the last few days. Which is you know you want guys who can do more than just score in if they do. Just wanna score at a high level of kevin knox. I think it was like thirteen. Points per game at kentucky but didn't offer almost anything else so avoiding those one dimensional players is something. I think we need to look at well. I mean he left summer league if you have stayed in summer league and he would suddenly he'd be starter has been downhill since he left. Vegas who are the one. That's no players in this draft camp. Thomas all buckets. And i'm talking about the sniper irrational confidence guy from lsu. I think he one-dimensional kidney be lou. Williams on the board is he comes comes off the board or is he two dimensional. I don't see any defensive upside. i don't even see any passing upside. I think once it took his hand it is going up. Maybe like daniel gibson and that was his role he got the ball. And then you'll get. His fear fell off a cliff. Once lebron left and went to miami. I think cam has a little bit more to his game than that. But i just see a one-dimensional michael wish for all right. The knicks have moved in the sixteenth position. Who are you looking at getting right now. richard. I think you have to hit guard. I'm going to go with my top. Two two of my top three. Excuse me best players available. And that's jaden springer and trae man. Those are both guys who can create for themselves in at least to a decent level 'create for others as well raphael. Who stop you're born. If you're the knicks who you're getting right here. I mean she go. I like that doesn't make sense. They you gotta go point guard. I'm going with big point guard. It's the garden. I'm looking for flash. I'm going to ask you all right. Let's see where the knicks go. Let's head to the knicks draft room and find out why they moved up to the pick of this draft and acquired from the oklahoma city thunder. Everyone alex wolff here from the locked on mix podcast with these sixteen. Yes sixteen pick in the ultimate nba mock draft. The new york knicks select josh giddy guard up from the adelaide thirty sixers of the nba in australia. We feel really good about this. Pick made a trade off from one thousand nine hundred sixteen to snag giddy. We felt really strongly about him versus some of the guys that would potentially be left on the board and nineteen when the knicks. Were going to pick no offense to kevin. Knox threw him in as the sweetener to get this deal done to move up three spots. We're not shutting. Here's sorry. Kevin sorry -sego but we're really excited to get josh giddy in here on the knicks. Really talented passer really talented rebounder. He might be a point guard at about six foot. He might just be a wing no matter what he ends up being. He's going to be useful for the knicks. his handle is going to be a big question. Mark going forward to shoot. The ball is probably the biggest question. Mark shot under thirty percent in the nba. But we saw another guy last year in lamelo ball who granted way more talented of the ball handler does a lot of things better than he does. But a guy who had a subpar jump shot coen to the nba and put up some pretty good numbers in that respect so willing to bet on the talent the elite passing ability the great rebounding he offers and the potential for a six foot. Eight point guard. That can really do a lot of things for a team. That's been looking for that sort of next level point guard for pretty much forever now so we felt really good about trading up to sixteen josh giddy. You're now a new york knick so we're excited to have you buddy good. I might from southern next. And what's our thoughts on. What the knicks just did moving kevin knox. I'm assuming we're fine with they. Get the sixteenth pick. Was that a value for them. Ruffea giddy is six eight point guard. I think that he could come in and be the starting point guard. They won exciting to watch. Excellent passer you make a case and say josh giddy season in australia was very similar to mellow balls as far as just being like a triple double threat as teammates open looks. He's not necessarily going to come in and be a big time score. But if you saw the nixon playoffs they struggled with scoring. And i think he's the one that will be able to just create open. Looks especially in transition. I think the perfect running-mate for mitchell robbins benefit. You're not getting away without comment right there. And we're not lamelo ball is can be ten time all star in this league and i understand what the magnitude of all stars are like darren. Williams took like four years devon booker to four years. Lamelo ball is amazing. He came in this league. Took it by storm. He's going to be you just compared the seventeenth. Pick the twenty twenty one. Nba draft to lamelo ball. Do you really mean that. yes i do. As far as like the numbers. I think no has more fat as a score especially in isolation but as far as the playmaking the triple double threat passing mitchell. Robinson is going to benefit the most. So we're talking about a guy that satellite seventy five percent from floor maybe eighty percent now a real point guard. That's high praise. i don't see mellow i think. If there's any picky closest to from last year it might be halliburton. But i worry about his whole scoring. I don't know if that ever comes along just to be kind of pessimistic on that his spot up shooting i fully by but his pollock shooting is going to be difficult. It's not that athletic. So i'm really interested to see what the offense of upside for your. Why aren't you guys being lazy. He's six eight in australia isn't he. Just the right hated. Joe ingles honestly. When i first saw play by comparison i saw my basketball about borders and then i realized it was a lazy comparison because of size wight. He's australian if there's anybody that he does play like in a similar and this name is not willing to be a sexy name but he's like a bigger grievous vastly a guy that was just a creative passer. Slow as slow inconvenient. It was weird about giddy is that he slow but his game is best in open court fast paced office now. I don't know if that's a perfect fit in a sense of for for tips. But i think that he'll make life easier for some guys on the on the nets roster. Yeah i mean he said mitchell robinson sees an immediate boost day one in an every day after like you will get paid a lot more money. Because of josh gideon his transition passing his special. It's one of the best transition passing we've seen in years. Might be probably the best passer in the class. So the knicks goes sixteen. Let's find out what jimmy battles are. Odyssey college basketball expert thinks of this pet. Jimmy patios here. The a inside of odyssey at number sixty and the mets have moved up. They have traded kevin knox and the nineteenth to move up just three spots. Which i think is a good move because josh get away. Okay joschka day. It's like giddy up. Today is a really good player who has a lot of upside. He's from australia. He did as well as lamelo ball did over in australia. A big guard from italy has great vision. He sees the floor. He can play a little bit of d. And i don't want to compare them to look dodger because he's not there yet but he has a really big oxide. He plays the nba style. You can sit him. He's that big guard that can do a lot and pass. He can switch on defense. He's a little unknown commodity. But i don't think that matters anymore because not everybody comes from college. Goes to g. Li like jalen green. Not everybody who's a one year wonder like jalen logs and josh day is a guy that at sixteen knicks. They need another playmakers. They don't really have a true point. Guard might take one. They have a few picks in the first round. Sixteen with they now have sixty they have twenty one. Tom timid never really doing a good job with leon. Rose is really good value pick. He's a really good risk. Pick but he's also going to be a solid player can turn into a star. I think so can't be an impact starter an all-star. I'm not sure that yet. But tim and the next guy that could fit in. Who's not going to be scared of pro style right away or intimidated and playing in the nba l. Which is the australian pro league which is produced a lot of players including like. I said before lamelo ball. I think josh is tremendous. Pick for the next fits in and plays right away and he's a really good passer fills a lot of need for tom. Ona's knicks as. They tried into next step and win. A playoff game playoff series. Two more fixed left for the day memphis at seventeen oklahoma city in eighteen. Both coming up as we continue with the ultimate mock draft. 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