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Hour 2: Max Kellerman hosting?!

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 2: Max Kellerman hosting?!

"Dude. Your nose is bleeding. Yeah. I think it might still be believing. What happened? I thought I had good seats at a game that was stuck in the four hundred. That was three days ago. They were super high up. I felt like I was somebody Everest look next time. Just go to vivid seats. Tickets are one hundred percent Bendik and you can even see where your seat is before you buy it can't believe I'm going to say this your genius. Well, you welcome. I kind of am we're on the earn ten minutes. Maybe we should get that Kleenex out of your nose. This is this even a Smith show. Hot gas. I'm Steve day, max Kellerman, sitting in for Stephen a Smith here at lake Chevrolet, and Oakland getting ready for now game four tomorrow night I take on the road. Of course. That's what I'm doing here. Stephen Smith under the weather and way under if you know anything about Steven, you don't miss work. He's way under the weather in order that, by the way, this is why, I don't take packs and stuff like that. Because I'm like on death's door because I think like in our industry, people have to keep going, they take these antibodies so much, and then, like it stopped having an effect because nothing could get this, dude. Right. For today. He need. I hope he's sleeping anyway. And by the way, I'm standing up now which is weird and I'm mentioning it because I've been sitting too much Toronto, Oakland back to New York, you know, bent up into a pretzel all the time. Find it annoying, these people with the desks where they stand up and they like do the treadmill and stuff other than Jimmy Kimmel seemed to work for him. But, but otherwise, it's come on. Stop to sit in a chair like a regular person, but I can't do it in my back is cramping up. All right. Our next guest here on the Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio, Bobby marks will help us break down some of the best trade options for Anthony Davis. Bobby there, I am doing good to have you. All right. So there was like this. Endless peace out put out about all the like you went into every team, every scenario, the cap hits in the, the possibilities, who's restricted who can actually be offered in a trade at cetera et cetera. So I want to whittle it down if you don't mind. Where do you think are the two or three most likely destinations best really fitting trade partners for the pelicans? Yeah. I mean I think there's, there's probably three. I think we look at surely, Boston has the most offer. Right. I mean when you look at Jason Tatum, and Jaylen Brown in that Memphis, pick three number ones, this three number ones in, in the draft and a couple of weeks, so they've got the most that doesn't mean that they will. But they they've got the most offering any kind of it goes down in order where you looking you're looking at the Lakers where, you know, going from a number eleven to number four and a draft certainly has appeal. We know what their young players are with Brandon Ingram cow, Kuzina Lonzo ball and then third would be the Knicks. You know, the third picking a draft generally has value based on their separation between three and four four rar RJ Barrett, is, and I think if you're New Orleans, you have to what how, how valuable do you think? It is. Or how valuable do you think he could be in the future? And and, and where does Dennis Smith? And Frank Keenan Kevin Knox lineup here. So I think those are the three three teams I think Boston is a little bit of wildcard because we don't know what's going to have a career, you know, I don't know how Chris Danny Ainge can be and, and do it, and Anthony Davis trade, not knowing that kyri is going to be there and take the risk of losing some of his young players. I think that's that winds up with people's kind of intuition about this. Right. That seems that seems right. That those would be the three most likely trade partners. I have two other ideas I wanna talk to you about. But first, let's deal with those one at a time, number one, let's take Boston, because they have the best stuff to offer if they're willing to risk it on a one year rental. Right. But would they be willing to whisk risk it on a one year rental? And the reason I say one year rental is, I think there's this tendency for people to not want it to be true that these players by, and large wanna play a New Yorker Los Angeles. If they if they had their druthers, because if they wanna be these players wanna be billionaires. Now they wanna be corporate. Nations onto themselves brands, you know, and how ever flat the world has become because of the proliferation of media and social media and the kind of empowerment the kind of empowering force that it's been for individual players. In fact, the best whip places by far to amplify your brand all things being equal or New York or LA, if you could be winning situations there, right? I mean this is just coming from the players and their agents. And it's obviously true. So Boston does not fit. It's not in the category. Boston is not like an Alfa plus plus city. It's just not. And so the Celtics would be risking an awful lot, if they put someone like Jason Tatum in a package for a guy who might only be there for a year. Let's take Boston out of it for a moment. Okay with you. Yeah. I think that's kind of where we're leaning towards. Yup. Okay. Let's look at New York and LA now this is a trade. So the dysfunction of James Dolan, may not play into this as much as it might otherwise and New York. If the Knicks can show that, hey, no, we're a healthy franchise now that will become a desirable destination. Although with the nets right there. I think it'll be more desirable, because they've showed already that they're healthy and functioning, just fine. I look at the Knicks versus the Lakers package and mcwethy with the Lakers package versus the next to me. Bobby is not just the three versus two four. It's the health of Brandon Ingram. Can you speak to the perception of what the Lakers, first half to offer, including the health of the likely trading chits? Well, I think it's a matter of how you're going to time it, you know where we're looking at, you know, the priority for the Lakers is used cap space for so, you know, to go out and sign a max for Asian, if it's going to be Jimmy Butler type player. So if that's the goal then that's what you're doing. I and then you're, then you were working at Anthony Davis trade and, and basically max, you're basically cutting your whole roster. I mean you're training everyone to make the money were, you know, you're gonna get to have get close about twenty two million dollars. So you are trading. You know, Lonzo ball and Brandon Ingram and fourth pick and, and probably Kyle Kuzma here so that it's basically what we saw back in February when they put everyone on the table here. But, you know, you don't have you don't have those expiring contracts anymore, and you're right. It is us come down to help. I mean if Brandon Ingram finished your healthy or if Lonzo ball finished the you're healthy, and he has not shown to be healthy since he's come into league then yes, that what the Lakers can offer in young players is better than what New York can. Offer here, and I think that's, that's the risk that David Griffin and this probably weighing right now in New Orleans. I understand gutting the team for someone like AD. I didn't agree with Paul George available and the people who said no trade for Paul George now. Maybe they turned out to be right. Because the Lakers didn't get him alternately, but I don't I didn't see at the time Paul George as a true transformative franchise level. Definitely best player on a championship team type guy. I do see that way. So would make sense to gut the team. But your point in the article on ESPN dot com right now is that in order for it to really work with the Lakers, they would have to. I and you just mentioned it again. I sign max free agent, then trade for AD why in that order. Can you explain it? Yeah. Because if you do trade right now, let's say where you create a do at trade and, and, and you and it happened. Let's say, you know, July sick, then you're taking more money back. So if Davis is earning twenty seven million, we're not even factoring that or. Trait bones that he's owed that, who you would probably wave than what your sending out is likely going to be less because you're going to cap space as kind of a buffer here. So if twenty seven is coming in, you're sending out Twenty-one. Well, then all of a sudden your cap space drinks, you know, that's thirty two number now goes down to twenty five or twenty six where that's not the case. If you go out and use that money, first and then circle back and then, and then use those players in a trade to get, you know with win one hundred and twenty five percent of Davis's contract. So I think there's more of a timing issue with that and goes the same with the Knicks to I mean if the goal is, and we wrote we've written about it. If the goal is to go out and get to max players, a Kevin Durant, or kyri Irving, then you are signing both those players, I and then you were signing your draft pick, and then you're going to wait thirty days because that's restrictions. And then you're going to make a trade. So you're looking at both situations where it's a lot of it's going to be based on based on timing, and it's also going to be based on timing of the ju-, you know, the draft and. A couple of weeks where these teams are picking Bobby do you think that there's a chance because I think about a roster with jut like if you're picking up teams with your friends, right? Like let's choose super teams. Right. You got five or ten guys around for some found in that position or even fantasy basketball and you started your roster like you wound up at the end of the first two rounds with LeBron AD, and no one else on your roster, but whatever cap space was leftover. Everyone would be like oh, that's pretty kind of tough to beat. Is there a chance that rather than try to I get a flawed max contract player who like Jimmy Butler, who may be worth it right now but probably not two or three years from now where you'd still be paying them? And also maybe doesn't have quite enough shooting to be the perfect match with LeBron even though to be fantastic to have three. You think there's a chance that the Lakers instead, just to hell with it? Whether you whoever you sign for your trade for AD, and then you sign good veterans, like, for example, guys on the tier of Danny green. Brook, Lopez mirrored each Marcus Morris those kind of players you sign one or two of those guys and then fill your roster out in other words, better complimentary pieces to guys like LeBron AD, then necessarily third star. They should I mean that's should be the order. We're talking about, you know, we're talking about the Lakers shoot where we team them chasing the superstars. But yeah, I mean, I think if you try to go the MAC guy, and then try to trade Francine Gabor's then basic you're looking to fill out your with mid contract players. And I don't know if I would have enough faith in that lake or front office, stickle out and surround those players with. No, this is not putt Riley down in Miami and two thousand ten when when they were able to go out and get a Mike Miller. And spill out if the you know the the roster there, so you'll I think you hit it right. On the head. I think if you have twenty five million leftover and room, there's nothing Hong going out and getting a bully 'em bogdonovich or Danny green or brook, Lopez, or Nicola teach and, and. Patch up your needs here because the other way around is go out and get Jimmy Butler and Anthony Davis. Yes on fantas spur on paper, it looks great, but who's playing you know where the who's your other nine players here? And I think that's kind of where you run into trouble man. I can never remember a free agent period like this Bobby marks on the line. Stephen a Smith show, max Cowan sitting in for Stephen A ESPN radio. I can never remember it off season like this body in the sense that it's not just a number of MVP, caliber players, like I have a star system, five stars MVP four all star three starter to rotation one replacement. Right. You have five star players like coli and K D available. You have four and a half star players like RIA, valuable, but also guys like Kemba Walker and Al Horford, maybe some guys who can do player options and you've written about that. And then we mentioned mirror ditch and all those kind of guys, there are so many players available and the players involved four those players seem to be the. Biggest markets with the biggest names, though. Lakers, the Knicks even the guys who may be leaving Toronto's the only team in, in the nation of Canada, Golden State. You know, you're talking about Silicon Valley, these enormous and important dynamics at work in markets at work with huge names and kind of lead altering moves. Have you ever seen a free agency period? Like this. This mexico. So this was probably thousand ten right when we had LeBron and Wade in Bosch, boozer Stoudamire back. Joe Johnson that group there. But that was nine years ago and where, you know, what's happened is the last two summers. Here's that everybody. You know players have signed one or two year contract. And we were hit the hit the basically the perfect storm of fifteen all NBA players mixed in with a lot of good players, and we're going to have. Hey we're gonna fifty percent of the league free agents, the summer. It's on mask the reality of the situation. I disagree. I disagree with you about two thousand ten only because the top prize was LeBron by far. The second prize was Wayne Wade. And Chris Bosh was the third, they all wound up on the same team. But here we have not only players like when you take this not, like Cleveland was was the champions or championship team. Even really quite they'd made it to one but here you have the best player on a champion on the championship dynasty. And K D a player Kawai who I think is the best in basketball right now. Now on a team in the finals. They're up to one right before you even get to AD trade possibilities, and kyri who's on a team. That's deep playoff runs and they're not all gonna wind up in the same place. This is kind of destiny altering for the biggest markets in the league. I can't remember anything like it. I don't think we've ever had before, you know, the to New York teams or jersey van, but and also to LA. Or teams have the most cap space. I mean, those are the and they will kind of control where the market is going to be, and you're right. I mean, you know, it's amazing is that, you know, we haven't even talked back is like Tobias Harris and Chris Middleton or good players here. They're gonna get mashed contract and people say, well, they're not MAC's players. Doesn't matter. Max, bobby. Today that let's get into that. I don't know about that anymore. I've always been against giving players who aren't actually worth max money because we know guys like Katya worth much more than max money. But but because all the cap is in amac's contract is really is a way to funnel money from players to small-market owners. That's essentially what a cap is. So but we haven't seen let's always seem player's worth much more than the max and usually guys who aren't worth the max. We'll get it anyway. Because teams just need. Good players available. But what I'm seeing now. I'm sensing correct me if I'm wrong that there are guys out there who may not get the max who and other years would like is Middleton going to get a max deal. I'm not sure like I don't know is Toby Harris. Like I've talked to people around the league who are saying stuff like if we don't get an MVP caliber player. We're not gonna pay him MVP money to buy his Harris seems to fit that Bill. Really good on offense. Can't play defense. I mean, are you sensing the same thing or am I off base? The only the only concern from teams that I've taught. Act. Is that the summer of two thousand twenty is not good free agent class show if you don't hit it this summer. You might be waiting another two years because of outside of Anthony Davis next year. Draymond green. And, you know, some of the older players like the market rose in calorie, a, there is a significant drop off. So if you are a team like Brooklyn, and you miss out on some of these players do you go out and pay to buy harass, you know, thirty two million dollars a year. I mean, that's, that's kind of where we're looking at it. I think that max, that's fascinating. That's going to be one of the fascinating parts of free agency is how many teams have a knee jerk reaction where they miss out on their own top targets here and what do they do you know, I've been told with New York, you know, it's not co I or Kevin or kyri that they will wait until the summer of two thousand twenty and they will hit the rebuilt button and they will take bad contracts back like Atlanta has done, and it won't be Jimmy Butler Kemba Walker. They will they will kinda take a different approach there and it's kind of all or nothing approach here. So I think that's going to be the. Thing if teams are willing to do that. What you know, there's no guarantee that the clippers or even Brooklyn get some of these guys. And what's that next? You know what's that? What's that next step? They're going to take. Okay. Let's play a little game Bobby before. I let you go. I just want your gut reaction where these guys end up where do you think Hawaii is going to end up the clippers? Right. K. D. Golden state. Yep. I have a hard time believing that he would go to New York by himself. That's my only if he goes to somebody else. Yeah but I can't see it by himself. Let me let me just take a tangent real quick. Oh, detour real quick. I don't understand this perception among some that I understand, like, the clippers versus the Lakers, because the clippers are little brother by so much. It's, it's not even funny. But the nets are New Jersey anymore. The nets in Brooklyn now Brooklyn rings, bells all over the world. Brooklyn hasn't had a major league level franchise since the dodgers left in the late fifties Brooklyn is a sexy place. It's, it's media dense, right? It's I don't see a real like when I hear people, well, the nets that's not the Knicks. Oh, I don't know about that. I think the nets could flip that town in a second. The Knicks have never had competition. And in most cities with two franchises in every sport. There's the clown franchise in the heritage franchise, right? Jets, clown. Giants. Heritage mix have always been. The heritage Fran collect franchise that has also been the clown franchise. The nets aren't run like clowns, and they're, they're in Brooklyn. Now, do you think that the nets have or do not have the cachet to land, top level free agents? I do. I do. Oh, I do think, oh, I do. And I've worked and I worked there and I worked in jersey and I know you know, the appeals Brooklyn. And I think when you look at what they've been able to do the last three years here and basically pitch a product this summer that can either return as is, and Atta main guy, or maybe even at two guys here and play in Brooklyn, and your, what two miles away from Manhattan. I think they do have. I think they have the cash and I think you'll see it. I think when we get to joke tuned thirtieth that they will be in the mix for some of these guys. Okay. So clippers K D, warriors Klay Thompson, Golden State. I mean, I don't even think I mean max, I think we watched last night. I mean I mean if they're going to screw around with a Klay Thompson contract. That's what your team is going to look like next year and Golden State. Right. Well, unless you keep unless you're right in, they keep K D, Jimmy Butler. The lakers. Yeah. You know, I have that same kind of feeling Philadelphia can offer them the most. But Jimmy Butler with LeBron James. Jimmy Butler may not be a great player two years from now but whatever questions, and I had them about him. One may have had about is he good enough to really be worth max contract, when it matters most is the clubhouse cancer, or it, can he be the right kind of leader. He answered that for me in these playoffs. I think he really did himself a rate service with his play and leadership in these playoffs with the Sixers. And I can't imagine him because LeBron need you to be good. For five years, they need you to be good like the next couple years, and Butler may be that. And he's wanted to play in LA for a long time. So collided, the clippers K D to the warriors Klay stays with the warriors Butler, you believes goes to the Lakers. How about Kemba Walker? I in Charlotte, I think he'll stay, and I think they'll offer modern ninety million. I don't think they'll often but to twenty one but I think they'll offer him one hundred ninety and I think he'll. Fine there and be content when you know forty games for the next three or four years. Here's where you and I differ for the first time where I think Kemp was going. New york. Yup. He's going to the Knicks. I think Kemp is going in the next from the area, the Knicks will pay 'em as much as they can. They'll strike out on everyone else and Kemba. Actually, if you're wondering, is he worth the max of everyone under the MVP level, who the Knicks could possibly get who's the right age, who's just good enough? Campbell probably fits the Bill bet you, they maxim out and he goes to the Knicks. That's my, that's my hunch. Where do you think a D ones up? I think he winds up in, in Los Angeles with the Lakers. I do. I think I mean I would have if you asked me the trade that on set Boston. But I think if you know, we talked about, if they don't if with the answering, he was Irving. I think I think, basically LA comes in and basically offers them whatever they want again, Middleton Milwaukee stays with Milwaukee, according to keep an eye on, but keep an eye on Indiana here, but Chris Middleton, don't be surprised if middle if Indiana comes in with a maximal or because and hasn't play along the thrill depot here. They've got thirty million dollars the fern and I don't see them taking that one and two year round way that he did that for you. Right. Because that's the kind of level of free agent, that a place like Indiana has to go, like, I know people don't like this. But the fact is until the Bronx went to Cleveland signed and Cleveland, 'cause he was from there. There's never been a market like Indiana or Milwaukee in, in, in the NBA the history of the NBA. Whoever got a real eight type three agents assigned with them. It's never even happened to single time, like, Greg Monroe signed the Milwaukee and I was like, wow. I've never even heard of that before. So you just the reality of the situation. So if Middleton becomes available and they have to overpay a little bit to put him with all the depot. Maybe they do that. And I want to get to what to we've gone through the big names. I wanna get to another AD idea. I lied to us before. I let you go. I'm gonna let you go after this. Here's a look at teams with GM's who are enterprising and who realize there's a tide in the affairs of men. You know, you gotta strike at a certain point pusher chips to the middle of the table. And at first, I thought with Toronto AD. No, they haven't an OB. They have CRM. They have some interesting, young pieces. They may lose. But if they don't they compare them with another superstar and really have something there, but it's probably a one year rental. So I started thinking about it. Some more who really is one great player away. Away from maybe winning a championship, and maybe having something special for a while, and maybe would push whatever assets, they have other than their, their top two players into the middle of the table to finally actually win one. What about Portland? Well, yeah. I mean, if you take Damian Lillard off the know off the, you know, off the equation here, and then you're kind of looking at CJ McCollum in in, you know. It's not CJ. I don't know that they've got enough there to, to offer and mice. You've just basic an offer him, you know, three or four first round picks and in some in some role players, I think I think you could probably make a better argument for Denver. I think would Denver probably with, you know, Gary Harris and will Mark toward Craig and guys like that. And some draft picks I think they would probably stack up a little bit better than they were Portland could do this history of the NBA. Is that the trade just keep this in mind, everyone and Bobby, I believe you'll agree with me, but we'll see. The history of the NBA has been the team that gets the best player in the deal wins the deal and I don't mean when the best players Carmelo Anthony. I mean when the best players an MVP level player, the team that gets that guy almo-. It does not matter almost how much other kinds of flotsam and jetsam you give up or even nice players you give up. You get the best player in the deal. You win the trade so Denver's very interesting idea, and Bobby, unless you disagree with me. I'm letting you go now. Good maximum. The rest of your day YouTube, Bobby. Thanks, a lot for coming on look at that Nuno. 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That's try s H E X dot com slash Stephen a code Stephen the anti wilder undefeated with one draw heavyweight belt holder was a bronze medalist in the Olympics. Six-foot-seven comes checks in around two seventeen the tallest skinniest heavyweight, you'll ever see. Who carries maybe the most devastating one punch knockout power in his right hand in the history of boxing. He's on a shortlist wilder Lennox Lewis Earnie shavers. Guys like that. That he has explosive power in the right hand. Got a draw in a fight against Tyson fury. I thought he lost on points, but it did not Gary down in the last round. Almost knocked them out. Had a real tough fight against Luiz Ortiz. The Cuban south pole with fast, hands big punching power, forty years, old, been caught on the juice, a couple times, but a big strong guy from the cube from LA Finca, the farm in Cuba. That's where they pick them at an early age. It was communist country. They take you to an early age. They send you to the farm, and you live to be a boxer. Then Ortiz, one of those dudes, but with punching power fast hands at two hundred forty pound heavyweight, six foot four south pole, a nightmare of an opponent wilder fought him got rocked, but knocked them out, when Ortiz was undefeated still Ortiz. His only loss so wilder talking about Anthony Joshua. No, Anthony Joshua was the undefeated Olympic gold medal superheavyweight won the heavyweight title beat Wladimir Klitschko the long reigning, champ who'd lost to Tyson fury on a boring points loss, but then fury got fat in and out and depressed and on drugs, and sort of out of boxing, not sorta, he was out of boxing. So people viewed the Klitschko Joshua fight as the old champ, for since the young guy who's going to be the champion Joshua. Not click go down. Klitschko got up knocked Joshua down one hundred thousand people at Wembley I called the fight for HBO and then Joshua got up took another beating for another round and then knocked Klitschko out one of the all-time heavyweight. Nights. Joshua b Joseph Parker undefeated, belt holder to unify some belts. Joseph Parker had a big win against Andy Ruiz down under in a fast paced tough twelve round fight. Joshua b check in Joshua beat Dillion white beat some good fighters. Made a lot of money but was rocked against the end. It was rocked against Dillian white, and it was obviously dropped against Klitschko. Reasons a sharp, not, not of devastating puncher and the way he lost close to Parker in the way Joshua dominated Parker Joshua's, correctly, a big favourite, but released beat them up and knocked them out. And by the way, the way he did it, Joshua was winning the fight kind of dull hit release with the left took and drop them. We went down hard. When we got up, there's the left took now here's the problem when the athlete, Joshua fights, the boxer released who's been doing it since he's a little kid and then they start exchanging the athletes in trouble. I know Joshua won a gold medal. See that, that's the left took the did it. That's that was the beginning of the end in the third round for Joshua. He's knocked him out in the seventh Joshua wanna go. But he didn't start boxing till lose eighteen years old. So it's not the same kind of muscle memory as the guys starts boxing, as a little kid, like res Joshua did it based on hardworking athletic ability, precocious fighter. However. When it came down to it, and he started exchanging because he thought he had released hurt and ready to go. He got caught in the exchange and stopped anyway, Tyson fury. The lineal champ, the man who beat them in the guy who'd be Klitschko and Cliquot is still champ. Tweeted things out to Joshua, like, hey, whatever bad words, we've had something to be effective. You know, this is what happens. You'll be like words of encouragement so showed sportsmanship. I love me some Deontay wilder that dude says what he thinks he fights like hell, you don't have the prettiest style all the time doesn't have a deep amateur background, but he will fight anyone anytime anywhere. He punches like a mule kicks, and he has his own kind of boxing style that allows him to avoid enough shots and land enough of his own to win, and he has something extra inside him. You know, he survived those rough moments against Ortiz ferocious puncher. He dropped fury in the last round of a fight you was gonna lose. Wilder doesn't bite his tongue though, and he doesn't have the same kind of sportsmanship as Tyson fury, and he said about Anthony Joshua's loss that he's a broken man in that he quit against Ruis on Saturday now. Whether or not Joshua was broken by the loss time. We'll tell it always does. But I don't think Joshua quit. I thought at the end of the fight if anything you could make the argument that the rest could've given Joshua the benefit of the doubt. He was asked are you. Okay. Do you want to keep fighting Joshua looked at the ref knotted? Yes, pretty clearly ref decided to stop the fight anyway. Josh was like, what I said. Yes, I don't think I don't think he quit. I think he was getting beat up, I think, released took equilibrium away with that left took the third round, but I wouldn't say he quit, by the way, you know, what never goes out of style surprising a friend or loved one with a dazzling bouquet or arrangement from one eight hundred flowers dot com. Starting at just twenty nine ninety nine to order today. Go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash. ESPN Shannon, Dallas. You're on with max Keller in. This is the Stephen a Smith show. ESPN radio. Mariko Makoni, while you're wrong about quality, being better and Kevin array. Are you looking? I'm listening. I liked the way you start go. All right. First of all. Has a whole lot of work is, is incorrect. First of all through the years, but you're they want cabinet the Spurs. He went and found to be fine. That's all good the next year. They went sixty two games. He lose to the clippers the Blake Griffin clippers. I mean, come on, who. Holdout, start right there. The Blake Griffin Chris Paul de'andre Jordan news. An all star clippers and who is crime partner at that point. Do ahead Dunkin. He's doing here. I know they were and I feel like this is like coming to America. Like Joe Lewis is one hundred sixty seven years old when he fought rocky Marseille. You now old those were they were like practically turning to dust before our eyes. You can really bring up these old players that was playing with stop that the next year. Negative fifteen hundred sixteen. They wear sixty seven games, and there's all study and lamarcus Aldridge. Okay. Now with Tim Duncan Tony, pork, and Genova steal their moved to Kevin Durant and Westbrook. Let's talk about that. They were up two games to none. And they got swept after that. So they lost in six games to a sugar not of a team that took the seventy wind Golden State Warriors seven games. I was very disappointed in Durant, and Steph that they couldn't get over the hump because I felt at that time of year that was actually the best team in basketball. They took that I think they would have beaten the Cavs, and they came to within like a couple of possessions in the fourth quarter of game seven against the seventy three win warriors. So, by the way, who were playing fully loaded so okay? So, so Leonard on a team with lamarcus Aldridge lost in six games to a team featuring Steph curry Klay Thompson, Draymond green. Andrea Gua Guatemala and seventy three wins. Okay. Fine. You wanna hold that against him. Fine. What else you got Kevin away was pretty worded. Kevin Durant and Westbrook to be the sixty seven team in the Spurs, and they'll turn around and beat the warriors who want to send me three games at saying you're playing hold up timeout. Let me tell you something about the bulls team that the warriors wanted to be compared favorably to which is why chased Seventy-three wins, which is why Steph wasn't one hundred percent physically. That's on them. They couldn't they didn't keep their eyes on the prize. The reason they couldn't win more games, the bulls new win the championship because they weren't as good as the bulls, and that's who they wanted to compare themselves to. That's who they were chasing. You do you know that the that the year Michael Jordan came back for his first full season after his first three peat? They played a sixty win Orlando. Magic team in the Eastern Conference finals, sixty win shack penny team Nick Anderson. The whole crew Horace Grant everybody and beat them in four games, swept them. And then in the playoffs faced a sixty three or four wins Seattle team with Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp in their prime and knocked him out and six. So, which you, do you think the thunder were tougher than the than the magic back then? Join join. I agree with you, generally. Listen, I'm not arguing Steph isn't among the all time greats. And this warriors team isn't among the all time dynasties, but this is who they were chasing, they wanted to be compared to and at this level, you're splitting hairs you're looking for differences. And these are the differences. I'm just giving them to you, or, you know. You know. Away. Go to Shannon, Shannon. I liked this call very much this guy stayed no niceties. He went right at me and he made good points. And it's okay to lose. You'd be a good fighter. You fight, you know, Floyd Mayweather, you lose a fight. It doesn't mean you're a bad fighter. I just so happened to be undefeated. Joshua chicago. You're on with max Kellerman. Is the Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio? It was going on buddy as my question, why isn't anybody talking to Stephen a Smith about what a bully he is? And how prejudice against the new champ Lewis, I, I don't think Stephen is prejudice against Ruis at all. And I don't think he's bullies, either Stephen as simply said that Ruis is a fat guy, and it looks bad to lose to them, and Stephen and I've debated this. We've argued about this reasons. A good fighter. Stephen knows what he's looking at he he's a fight fan, Stephen A, and I we're doing we do I take together now. But we used to have radio shows side by side in New York ten fifteen years ago, and I was either I think I was his leader. He may have been, but we were side by side. I don't remember if I was ten to one or one to four, I think, maybe I was tend to one he was one to four anyway. We'd see each other in the hallways. It was always the same, we talk, boxing and basketball. I was the boxing guys the basketball guy. He knows he, he loves boxing. He could see the Andy Ruiz can fight. He just was the underdog wasn't supposed to be Joshua, and it didn't look good for Joshua to lose to a little fat guy who does have a lot of punching power. That's, that's his point. Now, my the reason I debated with them is because I think there's a difference between looking like being fat and being out of shape at heavyweight, since there's no weight limit, you can be a fat guy. Just means you eat a lot and still have your cardio up. Still have your legs and your wind. I saw go twelve or rounds with Joseph Parker and he was still doing work in the twelfth round. So we as a fluid offense fast hands and boxing skills, and he has Martin toughness he beat Joshua 'cause every time he got hurt he was doing two and three back Joshua wasn't ready for that he fought through in caught him in the exchanges. So release looks like he's out of shape because he eats, whatever he wants because he can because he's a heavyweight doesn't have to make weight, but he has good cardio. He's actually in. Boxing shape. And that's where Stephen, I. Stay Steven A and I disagree. All right. You want me to do this, my computer career? Yes. Friends. Let's talk about Chad interesting last year. He was working two jobs this Chad trying to make ends meet barely staying above water in February. Chad started his information technology, career, making more money doing something. He loves don't love what you do. Go to my computer, career dot EDU and take the free career evaluation today, you could start your new life as an IT pro in as little as four months. Classes meet on campus or live online two or three times a week. It's not rocket science. It's my computer career, my computer career dot EDU max Kellerman, sitting in for Stephen a Smith. Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio. Guess what? 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Anthony Joshua Sounds Off

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

1:02:42 hr | 1 year ago

Anthony Joshua Sounds Off

"This is sports illustrated. Boxing podcast boxing boxing with sports. Illustrated's Chris Bennett interviews analysis in everything going on in boxing and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting punched in the face. Chris all right. Welcome back to another episode of the SL boxing. Podcast on this episode. I've got lance bugged. Mar Mike Cop and your boat from the athletic. We know that. Boxing has been ground to a standstill. But we're watching. What you have is doing for watching what the WWe is doing. And Mike Land. I talk about whether boxing can use that as a blueprint to get going sooner. Rather than later we all talk about all the trash talk going on at one hundred and thirty five pound weight class. Plus could we see a reunion between Abel Sanchez and denied aloft? Fighter and trainer broke up last year. Is it possible that those two could get back together? Stick around for that. Really Informative conversation with those two guys little bit later on. Anthony Joshua the unified heavyweight champion. He drops by to Philipson on everything going on in his life During this pandemic I talked. Aj about how he's feeling in the aftermath of the release fight what he thought of. Tyson fury versus deontay wilder. And what he thinks would happen if he stepped into the ring with Tyson fury so a really good conversation with the reigning unified heavyweight champion. Quick Housekeeping Note. If you like this podcast a very easy way. You can support it head over to apple podcasts. Post a comment leave a rating. It's simple it's easy it's free. It's the best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. All right that's it onto my conversation with leads. Doug Meyer and my carpenter all right joining me. Now on the podcast. Two of the best boxing writers in the business they are both from the athletic. The Co host of the Pug and cop show which you can listen to every week as well as Lance Pug Meyer and just finishing a drug deal on the corner of Brea Mike Pitcher. We're doing this via video as well. Which is live on disowned? Mike's got an interesting per glasses on their swears. They're not sunglasses right. Mike you swear. Say for the record. These are absolutely not sunglasses and contacts given the is arrest giving giving the body arrests. We're GONNA come out strongly. Well Look Lance is gonNA come out of this the strongest because Lance. What am I seeing on your social media? You like running. Like group marathons now while you're while you're on hiatus what are you doing? Yeah we just did it. We just did what's called the Ragnar run which is basically a virtual ron from Los Angeles all the way down below San Diego and Coronado and You know who I enlisted was the top rank. Pr Guy Corn who is definitely a monster of distance runner. Mine Iran. Seventeen point one miles total. I think Evan ran seventeen miles but over the course of two rods. That were pretty close together. He's just a phenomenal writer. And it was great. It was great bonding experience if anyone's ever done before and like me and you were talking about just now. Is the time to get in shape right now with all this downtime so we took advantage of it. I think I'm either going to come out of this. Twenty pounds lighter than what I was twenty pounds heavier. It's unclear I went which direction I'm going to go. Yeah it's tell you know. I live in an apartment building that has a gym and Nazi even closed. So I've resorted to running. I was real easy last week and I was like all right. I got it now when I ran on Sunday and Monday. I hate running but has to be done right now on. Some bike rides outside trying to not gain twenty pounds. I'm with you. I'm with you all right guys. So the there's still no boxing and it's not gonna be any boxing for the foreseeable future but there are still signs of what could come out there and I want to dive into a few of those and the first is everything that you see is trying to do to get back into live events now. They recently had a show. That was canceled. Because you know Disney and the parent company they're ESPN said No. You're not doing it. They got a little bit of shove from the State of California where that event was supposed to take place but Dana. White seems hell-bent on on getting something done and doing stuff behind closed doors. So I'll ask you first Mike. Do you look at what the US is trying to do as being maybe a precursor for some of the things that boxing could do or are they just playing and kind of a different ballpark. I'm frankly shocked at boxing. Wasn't I once we always see boxing? Be the ones that kind of break this barrier and Tommy Morrison followed HIV. So nothing's off limits and I think what we saw Monday with Florida and the WWe is really gonNA open up the floodgates for boxing. Oruma mates return in some small way. Because they didn't say wwe in the memo. They sent professional sports in national for the national television audience behind closed doors and obviously they meant for wwe. But now everything's open up. Yeah Yeah I think you know we saw Bob. Arum say that. He's keeping an eye on that as well. Let me point out Lance before I get your take on it one of my first. Boxing assignments was when Tommy Morrison may rest in peace called me this after he was diagnosed with HIV. Who called me to tell me? He was going to fight and that he no longer issue that it was. It was gone that he was practically cured of HIV. But that's a separate story. Your thoughts lands on. Just what you've doing and how we could be connected to boxing. Yeah it's definitely going to be an opportunity for boxing to jump in and get their fights in a venue especially like Florida but you know I was really surprised by what you have seen did from the standpoint of having coming coverings or for more than a decade there has always been you know after John McCain said that you're or just human cockfighting to say no it's not we're going to run to regulation and prove that we're doing things on the up and up in this case everything they were trying to do and trying to get into an Indian casino in central California was definitely trying to you know get get away from regulation and and hide from the regulators and it's not what their history has shown them to be to me. It was a better example loved. Dana White's loyalty to Donald Trump. And trying to say. Hey Buddy Buddy look what I did you know we. We got back to business like you want us all to do and look boxing. I agree with Mike that they they do. Have a history of trying to do things that are dodgy. And I think that's why you're seeing comments from the likes of Bob Arum and Luda Bala- and and the PBC officials say that. Look until we get this. The the blessing of people like Nevada's band or California's Andy Foster. We're GONNA have to like hold their horses to jump into the lead you know. Let's be honest. Ufc will probably start on. May Night Mike when you talk to to boxing promoters and people in boxing. Do you get the sense that there are plans being formulated. At least you know put on the boards at their offices for how to make this work. I mean I use the example of of the NBA. Another sport that I cover where as soon as they get a medically all clear. I'm pretty confident. They have a plan in place for how to make things work. Do you get the sense that promoters or networks have have some kind of infrastructure or or something in place to to be able to hit the ground running. I spoke to one prominent promoter last week. That said that they already have a bunch of fight deals completed and they've been going through the motions of figuring out how to hold the event and in particular four fight card and have it under fifty people going through the permutations Teams shook men. And is it seems another different fights do they have. The judges impersonal. The judges are maybe in a separate room at the arena on a cordoned off. You have to have a time. Keep out of commission lead Gabby. Emt's so you know. It is possible to go with boxing under fifty you look at two fighters a referee You don't have to have the commentators in person necessarily and you can easily get there so yeah. People are making contingency plans. I think that we just don't know when it's GonNa Return. I think the bigger issue right now is guys Bregman. Top rank right. They're always doing his medicals. Are you know? State boards really going to be bothered with medical guys punching each other on the head when we have this going on. Yeah it's a good point and I would say it's a good point except that we need commentators especially those from zone their vital to the ability to to go off. And you know what do you think I mean? What are the questions I had and I had turned Crawford on the podcast last week and one of the things that he said was man. I'm not fighting. I'm not fighting behind closed doors. And if I am and I'm paraphrasing here. I want to be paid more money when the reality is you're GONNA have to take less money if you're going to do a fight behind closed doors. I think Lance. There's still a bit of denial among some of the top fighters that this is real that it seems more likely than not that. You're going to see more. You're the only way you're going to see boxing. Twenty twenty might be behind closed doors. I just I'm not sure that these fighters really get it at this point. Some of them definitely don't but I think some of them do. I mean you've got I've talked to a guy. At Length Jose Ramirez who was actually probably the first athlete to have an event stopped by the corona virus over in China and now his May Ninth Replacement. Fi is also scrapped. So I mean he's willing to fight and he doesn't really care if fans are they're not obviously you know it'd be nice for fans at all of us to be there and to be able to watch some person but you know some significant fights. Chris you talked about it. You mentioned Anthony. Joshua would be the biggest one I mean. This is the guy that's due to fight in front of Eighty Thousand People. And now he is he gonNA go into a room with no one in there. What do you do with Vasily Loma Chanko versus Tia? Fema Lopez and most ominously. What do you do in September? We're still without the ability to draw audience. And you've got the Cannella triple g the third fight. I mean that's going to be really the the most amazing decision of all. You really can't imagine Mike. I mean you can imagine it. Maybe even Jose Ramirez though he does good crowds in Fresno like you could see Jose Ramirez even fighting a Josh Taylor behind closed doors. It wouldn't be ideal. But you could envision it you can even see foresee maybe even low much go versus low. Lopez the likes of of Tyson Fury Wilder three Joshua fighting. Anybody can Nilo fighting Goliath. Get a mean. I don't know I mean. Can you see those fights happening behind? Closed doors or do you think that it's almost worth it for these fighters to wait until like twenty twenty one to see fights like that happen crystal really think. It's a matter of how long it's going to be like you. Said because while she broaden around seventeen million from the gate alone you lose seventeen million dollars five is going to be okay with it. They're not GONNA WANNA coming out of their pockets. And we know promoters that have all this overhead right now. Top-ranked must be hemorrhaging money. Top rank matchroom. Who could all the employees they have? And you'll the overhead. I know top rank at least owns their office in Las Vegas. That's a big help and I just don't think you can have these super fights right now. what is without fans? I think another thing that maybe happen. We're going to see you know. Networks like zone and other promoters use this as an opportunity to reset the market for good. They're going to say no more crazy purses we were affected by this and get some money back now because the already out of whack. You know. It's understandable zone. Netscape premiums entered the market. This is the perfect opportunity. It's recent it's for good. Let's do you. I mean what do you think of that Lance? Do you think that these there could be a market reset when it comes to finances and I guess the follow up question to that is like I mean most guys at most are GonNa fight once maybe twice in twenty twenty if they can cram some stop into the schedule but do you think we'll see a greater sense of urgency for bigger fights ought to happen because they represent the biggest purses yes probably so but I haven't gone back to your first question about the market reset that you know. Some of these fighters will be willing for that to happen because they're going to say look it's either zero or something and you know we. I think we can get into the idea of exactly what you said about. You know we all. Sometimes we see the. The superstars only find twice a year. Maybe they'd be willing to fight three or four times a year if there's no fans here and they need something to to generate their income. So I mean there could be a positive from the from the standpoint of activity as much as there's a negative of not having fans and not having a typical sporting event as we've come to expect an overtime. Oh maybe we'll see super fights happen quicker like android versus Carlo huge. You know take over. Boxing in two thousand twenty even actually happened. There's my there's my obligatory Guinea pig super fights. I mean look at all the major sports. I mean all of these major sports are going to be affected. Nba MLB NFL. Were all going to have some answers on those works. By the time we get to the super fights that we're talking about and I think those sports will be the ones that really Kinda Pace you know what boxing will do. And how will move forward? You know if they're doing it then. Look we have no choice but to do it as well. Even if we're taking the head on the life gates. Yeah Yeah I agree with that. All right let's move on to some actual boxing topics here and one of the stories of this past week. Was Floyd Mayweather. Getting back into the news. Not with the decision to become a fighter again but talking about becoming a trainer full-time now. I think we can all agree. That whatever floyd says should be taken with entire lick of salt. He has a habit of saying things. That don't necessarily come true. But I mean he does Floyd Mayweather decides to become a fulltime trainer. I would imagine there will be fighters that want to work with them. So you know. Let's I'll start with you. Both you guys have covered mayweather. What do you make of this? Do you think we'll see mayweather? Really get into training if we do. How successful Willy B? I mean you've been to several gyms overtime press and you know like trainers. Are there usually first thing in the morning? Ready to go. Think of Abel Sanchez. Think of Freddie Roach. I mean all these guys have these incredibly long hours in which they're they're from data night is Floyd GonNa get up for singing the morning and start his day. The start training fighters. I really can't see that happening but I will say this. Floyd is a sentimental fool and I think that he is you know. He's a deeply a he. He's been deeply touched by the loss of his uncle. And former trainer Roger Mayweather and he clearly wants to keep that family traditional live there is an opportunity and there is a possibility for him to pass along his knowledge to these young fighters but I I believe it's clearly going to be on his own schedule in on his terms and that's usually not the way. The relationship between a trainer and fighter works but as we know Floyd Mayweather January is a very unique person. Yeah Mike what do you think because Lance is right? You know the Freddie Roach's of the world you know the Abel Sanchez is there at that. Jim First thing in the morning first thing in the morning for Floyd is eleven. Thirty sometimes based on the way his life works. I mean what do you think he can pull it off? Do you think you will pull it off? I don't think he will pull it off. This is a guy who despite all the money spent on unbelievably rich and wealthy. Doesn't do anything right now and joy. I think he could become a great trainer. Of course you has you know. Maybe the best mind in boxing and she sees the game at a different way than everyone else but I'm not sure that he's going to have the full dedication and the time needed. You know you'RE GOING TO SOMEBODY FROM SCRATCH. That could take hours and hours every day. And he's enough to realize that guy's going to take to it as easily as he did. That could be frustrated. So how many fighters have become great trainers like him. I think anyone husband at the elite level as a fighter who's willing come a great trainer. Buddy mcgirt yes. But I'm talking about like Superstars Roy. Jones has found moderate success melting approaching his legendary fighting career. Just like you said I take it with a tire grain of SALT L. Floyd promoter to can you be promoter At the same time he he'll probably you could probably hand select few chosen ones that he really thinks you know. Have the either their their champion fighters now or they have the potential to be champions that he can be attached to and maybe take those fighters to the next level. But let's be honest. He's not going to be working with guys who are involved in sixty nine eight round fights now to Mike's Point like you can't like one of the things that would frustrate a superior. Fighter is working with a guy that doesn't have is natural ability or his work ethic and not seeing that same level of success getting frustrated by the fact that you know X. Young fighter can't do the shoulder roll with the success that that mayweather had with it. I mean they're just there's rare breeds these guys these top level athletes. You know keeping with the trainers here you guys in your last. Podcast had Abel Sanchez on and one things. I'm interested with Sanchez. His relationship with Goffin Gustaf gins got a few fights. Left on. This disowned deal. The first two fights he had with with Jonathan Banks. They were successful in terms of wins. But it's not like he looked great in both those flights. Could you ever see her after talking Abel Sanchez? Could you guys ever see Mike? A reconciliation between Sanchez and Goffin Latin. I asked the question. He did not seem optimistic at all. He doesn't see it in the cards. The divorce between those two was over money and there was a kind of a bitter split you know. Go off to put out. The press release. Able wasn't happy about it but he did say that he wishes gluskin well but heels went on to say that he's afraid that locking could get her in a third fight with two canal so he he thinks that glock inciting the wrong style right now trying to box the back foot more but it just doesn't seem like it's in the working would be a great story. Though we had a lot of success lance I guess the follow up question good. I was just going to say you know like in my opinion triple. G has no choice but to reunite with Abel Sanchez. You need to dance. What brought you to this. Level of success enabled Sanchez. Knows triple g better than any any any trainer in the world will ever know. Triple G triple j should swallow his pride. Go back to able pay him what he's deserve and that's going to be his best opportunity at age. What thirty eight to defeat Canelo Alvarez after two very close outcomes able as the one who can can can continue to goad Cannella and he can look for a recipe and get Geraghty's full attention to look. This is exactly what we have to do to win this fight and I think honestly I just got done writing about hagler. Hearns to me. Gennady Goffin's only route to victory is to pursue that knockout for very ferociously. Just let those hammers fly and if they land. They landed if he runs out of gas. Runs out of gas in your. You tip your hat to canal but to me. That's offense only option. Mike you agree with that. As far as his only way to win is to go after Cannella and try to knock him out definitely agree. I don't see Gluskin Al Boxing Canelo Canola we know can boxing. A variety of ways. You show that he could box at the back foot. And I fight against Glamorgan. He was really effective at pressuring. Second fight ends. I just don't see that kind of building block. And that's not a knock on him is like he's an excellent pressure fighter and he has to go into bringing the fight to him and I don't think he's GonNa Knock Note. I Have Great Chin but maybe he can out work him. I see a lot of parallels between the Third Mayweather Marquess by minister can old can fight. Because I remember everyone was saying this is finally going to be the time pack you out knocks mark as it finishes him off once and for all and I think that was the fight where I work has definitely wanted and was really robbed on the cards. They're both thirty eight going into that. Third fight both coming off the law on both sides and go often coming up big layoffs. So I'm picking Cannella blocking off just yet. Let's do you when you look at Google often to keep with him for second. Do you see do signs of real age there because I go back and forth and one hand I don't think he's the terror that we saw. I make landfall back in. What two thousand. Eleven on the other hand. You know the Steve Rolls Fight. He was coming off a fairly long layoff for him. The Durban cheng-kuo fight lookie was sick that week. I know it's an excuse that that some fighters for bad performances but I. I remember him during that week. Not Looking great at all physically into. And how much do you think has been circumstance? And how much of it is that? We're now seeing a real decline in Gulagin who just hit thirty eight. I honestly I see a decline I mean ever since we saw him against Daniel Jacobs I mean look from that point or Chris I mean he has not been the same scary boogeyman triple g that he was Jacobs kind of exposed them. He could not he could not take out. Cannella in their first fight when I think Canelo entered that fight somewhat reluctantly on clearly. He had problems with the The pressure to Cannella brought him the rematch and he had a ton of problems with different SHANECO whether he was sick or not. You know like the deontay wilder stuff. I mean. We really don't want to hear about excuses. You step in that ring you should have been a better man than Denver Chanko. That nine was not he. He gave them all could handle and he was lucky to get out of there with victory so gennady is clearly on the decline and I think canal senses that. That's why you saw canola jump at this taking the third five. Kamilo OUT TO FINISH THEM ACCORDING TO TRAINER EDDIE. Right now so and I believe that by doing that. Canelo can really really stamped himself as the face of boxing eddin to this decade. Yeah I think part of that is. He wants to knock them down. Knock him out but I think another part is like he didn't WanNa give Gulagin that third because he knew how much financially it meant economical off getting all that drug talk. I mean I think it was so pissed off as a result of that and that was the biggest reason that that we didn't see that fight for the past year and that's I'm glad it's happening but it probably is happening a little bit too late for for for that to be as competitive as I would have liked to have seen it be again when when boxing comes back. We're going to be some of these big fighters going to be looking for big fights but we're still going to be on the same hamster wheel. Terence Crawford aren't we like Terence Crawford a hundred forty seven pound champion great fighter but nobody out there left to fight? Even Crawford told me last week errol spence an. I'll fight you right now. He wouldn't WanNa take it because he wants to get one fight back after coming off that car wreck to show that he's still the same errol spence in the ring. So in two thousand twenty. We're right back where we started. Mike with turns Crawford. I mean what we do here. If you're top rank with your marquee fighter I mean where do you look to find him a fight that people wanna see while the looking along places right now? Because they've been in talks with Eddie hearn about fighting kill Brooke Have no interest in that fight whatsoever. More the same thought by comes to fruition and you talk to PBC. They'll they'll tell you what any day they're not gonNA put guys in with Crawford can they? They would have done the same thing. I don't see creating a big fight anytime soon. You'll be thirty three this year and yes. There's no doubt talented. He is but he hasn't faced anybody even approaching level status. And we don't really know what quite has It's really frustrating. But maybe he's going to have to something like a hundred and fifty four pounds. I saw him in Bell Charlie going back and forth the other day. I would love to fight. Now that's a that's an excellent fight go ahead lance. That'd be a great option for him but I mean I think the problem that I have with turns Crawford Zeno basically every time he's around us. He wants to lecture us. About how dare we don't rank him as the number one pound for pound boxer in the world but then again you show some reluctance to step in there against the aerospace. Coming off this car crash. It's ridiculous and I find Terence Crawford. There's no way I accept the kill Brooke I'm saying to my promoter. Go Out and get a someone at least like Sean Order I need that. I need these kind of fides to be able to say with authority to the guys that I am number. One to the to all of the all the boxing fans. I'm the best fighter in the world and this this showing roset right now i. He doesn't really have a lake. Stand on in my opinion other than what we've seen him in dominating displays against these other guys. What are the real quick good good Mike Eisner Real quick point? Sean Porter wants to fight Crawford last year. I think proper comes out and says Oh. He doesn't have a belt. He doesn't do anything for me. Like are you serious? Shawn Porter will be light years ahead of anyone else you face and saying we don't know what he has because he hasn't faced anybody. I WANNA point out when we say go off can look old against Daniel. Jacobs Jacobs was the first fighter gant Glock and never fought so. I don't know if it's all age there Mike. You're right but let me follow up with this to your point. Gluskin almost a chicken and the egg type of thing right like where he doesn't get the fights in his prime because guys are avoiding him he gets a little bit past his prime and he fights Jacobs who was in his prime and suddenly you have the end result I'd connected necessarily to maybe gluskin not being what we thought. He was when he was destroying. All these guys I mean the guys just running away from him you when you were covering it. I was covering it during that time. There guys want nothing to do with him. When he was at the peak of his powers despite the fact that he a champion or a unified champion or having three belt around his waist. Nobody really want to touch him back. Then that's true you're right. No one didn't want to touch him but I think sometimes when you're not and you may be on the right political side backing behind you show a little bit of wiggle room and I remember Andre Ward wanted to buy trouble Jia one sixty eight and triple D. said No. Let's remember we used to have only eight week classes. Is it really that crazy? To move up eight pounds. I really think so and maybe would have knockout Jacobs earlier in his career but they never fall down and Glock and finding took the leap. Jacobs put him through hell. And I wonder if we're going to see the same Crawford because Crawford's tie fight. Was Victor Postal. Sorry toughest opponent on paper. He was hurt by Tara. Gambella US dropped by bean machine. Even though the cut wasn't called and I give crop a lot of credit for storming back knocking them out. But we're GONNA get to that same point soon thirty three this year. And maybe you're GONNA be saying two years. Wow what would happen to Crawford bought aerospace or Keith Olbermann or whoever in his prime I let me finish guys with this you know. The lightweight divisions full of talented young fighters who are all seemingly talking trash to each other at the moment like while. There's no boxing. There's a lot of boxing going on on social media. I'm going to phrase the question this way. Mike and I'll put it to you five years from now who emerges from that group of Devon Haney Tayo Fema Lopez Ryan Garcia Tank Davis. I guess even throw Shakoor Stevenson in there because moving up to one thirty and might make a jump to one thirty five at some point. His career mean of this group of young fighters in that letter way class a five years from now. Who's the guy that comes out of it as the Big Star? I'M GONNA GO Devon Haney. I think he's the most naturally talented and also has been balking at such a young age around all these brave fighters and may were there and Zab Judah sometimes but great head on his shoulders. Very mature added. Garcia is going to be right up there with him. I think Ryan Garcia is going to be a true superstar of the Sport Canal Alvarez like an Oscar de la. Hoya thank Davis very talented but obvious discipline issues. I hope he can find his way tipping best of that group right now but he'll be going up to one forty eight hundred forty pounds soon enter core. He's another inch inch. I think he's really talented too. So we have a lot of green fighters and I want to see what he can do when he stops off as well let me now. What do you think of the one? One guy that group that you would buy stock if you will to become that big star of the future who to be. I actually like Sukur. I think that he's already a world champion undefeated guy he's handled by Andre Ward. He's got Bob Airmen Corner. These guys are going to navigate his career brilliantly. I believe and the the way that they are going to deliberately selected as competition. Look he may not be jumping into the fray as eagerly as someone like T- Fema Lopez will be doing but I think it will be very very very smart career and he's getting stronger and more talented as time goes by so if I have to pick one of those guys. I think it's going to be. I mean this is a lot of charisma. To and as long as he can kind of keep his his dark side and check. I think that you know Chicago Stevenson's definitely Can Be the guy you know when you consider you know where he is as as other way right now being able to move up in weight and participate in some of these significant fights to me. He's the guy yet. Let me ask you this because maybe it's wishful thinking on my part. But I really want Ryan Garcia to be that guy because I think boxing as much as anything needs someone like him as the standard bearer a good looking kid who's popular on social media who can jump who will jump on all the talk shows kind of like what. Delahoya was during his Prime Delahoya was so incredibly popular the nine hundred ninety s and early two thousands and the charisma. I think that's really only present in Ryan Garcia at this point. I mean I I. I want to believe that the Romero do know stuff. And the Francisco Fonseca stuff foreshadows something great for Ryan Garcia. I'm just I'm just not convinced yet. Those wins mean. He's destined to be great. It's a great start for sure. I never doubted his power. Anyway I do have questions about his chin in his defense but Eddie Reynosa best trainer in the sport right now. I have no doubt that he'll do the best to bring the best out of him when it comes to defense and counterpunching ability. And you're right I do hope it's Ryan Garcia because you you give him a lot and you couldn't be nicer. He's always easy to deal with this humble even though he's confident and he's a credit sport. It's a great kid. He's a great kid too so I think it's really great. Yeah it's great question Mannix because one thirty five really carry outs and maybe guys go to forty seven. Got Another kind of welterweight renaissance in few years that and the fact that Garcia Haney had this great back and forth. Can you imagine if they kind of jump into it quickly and put on one hell of a show that leads into three or four other meetings beyond that that would be sensational in? The sport could really use that with both of these very strong personalities and you know unbelievable talents going at each other for years to come as much as twenty twenty seven out real quick. Good Mike Sorry I was going to say so. Let's just point. I think boxing to get away from this marinating as baron coined it so to speak. Seventy Bytes Ryan Garcia in early. Twenty twenty. One people are going to watch it. No one's going to say I don't WanNa see this not big enough yet. You'll see does this all the time they do. The fights when McKee WanNa see it maybe even before you really WanNa see it and guess what over loses. There's going to be big and they're gonNA be bigger for it. Yeah Ryan Garcia's put ten thousand people in Anaheim like you'll be able to sell out a stadium or stadium but an arena for Ryan Garcia versus Devon. Haney no question. And now maybe leads two or three fights and these guys find a bunch. I agree with both those thoughts Fellas great job. Enjoy your quarantine. I'm going to probably keep drinking here because that's what I do here in Boston. We are all alcoholics so I hope you're time alone is better than mine. Thank you so much ravenous on Chris really appreciate it took Michaela Chair. I host sports at a straight new podcast corona virus and sports. The outbreak of Cova nineteen has disrupted own aspects of normal life including sporting events around the world. But sports isn't just about competition. It's also an industry that affects millions of people from athletes to stadium workers. The sports community continues to be impacted. And we're here to help you understand each story. Subscribe now to Corona Virus and sports on Apple PODCASTS. Spotify stitcher on wherever you listen to shows all right anthony. Joshua is here. The unified heavyweight champion. Who is not vain at all with that backdrop behind him? That's just if no one's GonNa love me myself. So what is that moment? Do you remember where that was in that picture behind you and what you were thinking that moment and remember the build up to that moment okay and I expanded so I remember in the build up to my rematch? No I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. I had issues going on you know. I said I'll explain one day by. I never wanted to be seen as an excuse this that I took my lost command. Or why founded that law. My my industry friends. That was smiling. My face really were ready to stop them. My back when my Lhasa's Qaeda so this is all about now So how was it that when I said I'll be Andy which I knew would a new I knew detected be him? I said when I win when everybody's abouts me. The king was stunned and it will rain again and so around the pitch if you look at the video. Everyone's going crazy that just enough. My Name and that pitch is me saying I told you. The man who knows himself can never be misguided by other opinions. I would just point in my career and in my life. I always go with my gut feeling because I just knew. Now anyone told me don't take the rematch way of a woman fight. And the quickest hasn't division is like The Mexican Mike Tyson. This way. I'm one hundred percents. There's no way I can beat me. You know so I just knew acid and that was me the show in the world. I myself and Two-time champion water. You look back on that when you look back on that fight did it. Go exactly as you thought it was going to go. When he was a one sided fight it was it was a classic display of the sweet science of Hit. And don't get hit. Take the belt with ease and get back on the gravy train. You know Andy couldn't couldn't keep up. couldn't move feet. You could probably times faults enough to keep up with me and I think I'll wind eleven out of the twelve around if I was to be generous. And that made history. Saudi Arabia became too from everybody jumping in the world. When you were preparing for that fight I mean so much into it. We don't have to go all the way back through it but did you realize after the first fight like this guy is going to be really hard to hurt and knock out so. I've got to change everything. It was more to the point the knockout for. Because if I wanted to go for it I would have gone for inside time from the first round. Already busted by but that was gate. My discipline my tactic. By just the fact that you know tool fighters getting short the mix inside. It's like the rule one on one. I went against the my first fight. That's a technical point of view from a technical point of view it was give him the sweet science. The Lennox Lewis Buses David tour. You know the The the stylistic. I wouldn't say that told me how lessons right. Because you know that went bought. The ranging books are buses the showroom books. There's a way in what you about victory in. It's not going in there. Looking for knockout is the. What if the knockout come? Then you take it. Don't go in and looking for it and What did come out by the victory and I think that leads onto these conversation that we have in now is so is so satisfying to speak to you to jump into the world right now rather than saying man. I tried to knock him out. I wanted to detain. I just go go bid tired. He picked up four round in the later part of any described win. I'm champ and Nestle Nestle I'm happy about. You can see behind when it means if you had lost that fight. Would you ever tired? No wait I think that shows weakness in my own paw even know I sometimes create some quarantine and isolate. Nothing while retirement never looked so good. We ever want nothing to do. So this is an indication of what we're working towards them. You want to retire. But at the same time I still have a burning desire of knowledge Growth of in me and I think the site where do I pull that desire growth and I it into an putting into books in so for me until I say you know I'm content with the man to come up ignites when I retire by the minute? I WanNa grow as a person and a growth of my school and I'm enjoying the man of the common fruit. So you're quarantined. I'm quarantined I'm sure. Your House is a lot cooler than mine. But what is quarantine life? Look like for Anthony Joshua Jim in my house. I'm the large swimming pool. I'm actually The family home my mother. My niece my son my cousin Rio kind of quarantine and together so it's Nice Not as a pandemic across the world which will aware of from me and my family none of my family fortune. Neom has Any tragic losses will any massive effects from the from the virus. So what we're trying to take. This wanted his spending time. Because of no time in the world like this all of our family together Even for my niece is twelve boys pool so then it will be like they'll be talking about this in the next twenty years. I can remember that time when the whole world is isolated is just trying to create memories for them to take the best friend in that kids in the future with a real good times of London had do you. You mentioned. Don't have a gym in your house. Are You thinking about? I have to try to stay in shape for eventually when things come back. So you know we're books watchos books younger because it's a sport that you don't really need much so you need to keep fit. The reason why we do road. Whack is to keep me around. Running forty five minutes to an hour is perfect so in the UK the guidelines off exercise outside the house to an hour stopping. That's why do something go cycling or go running which is enough and then I shut up books in the garden which is a loss of books in the shutter books. So I've been able to rekindle my love for the auto show. Boxing concentrate infants while round. So by the time this is over. Why should we the shadow boxing champion of the world? Because that's all wacky on and you know piece press-ups what jumps metro money. Wakes you were tentatively scheduled to fight Kuruppu love in June when you talk to edie her and what does he tell you about about future plans. Great Question I think Eddie feels like why game rekindle around July August not small shows from for bigger events a mess governs which we're talking about say festivals Sports events. I just think that will go back for a while so until like the NBA. And now they're making a comeback. Let's say the hockey league the NFL soccer I've just wait and hear what's happening. Number may disappoint industries before. I listen to anyone because you know the NBA is one of the biggest sporting events in the world until they make an announcement that hosted one of them made the NBA Games again. I don't think I will. We'll come to poss- quicker than yeah. I I agree with you and I think one of the big questions is going to be when like you said. Large gatherings can take place. I think boxing probably comes back. I with closed door shows but a guy like you. Aj with you make like eight ten million dollars. Maybe more on on live gates. I mean if the only way you can fight and twenty twenty is behind closed doors would you? It is a great question economically. I'm taking a big hit like the rest of the world even them sitting and now even if I was a comeback industry. It's all about growth. You know I would definitely fight. You know for the love of my spoil an economically not hungry me You know even if I drop five five dollars five pound on the from time to get it never to fix UNAVO- so one hundred percent you know I would fight for for less than eight million dollars. It's a good sense of that kind of money and on a gate saw hundred percent. Aren't they the opportunity to fight at the drop of a hat? When was the last time you fought in front of nobody and I remember? This was probably about three thousand eight nine two thousand nine when you know people just be looking at me like in in Hungary or like a European country where we will go to a tournament and they'll be like a Cuban the the the Russian team that was Becca Stan seeing that. No just be like the local Hungarian someone or watching and that big guy. From Great Britain I was fighting for or for the gold medal. So yeah that was two thousand nine two thousand ten light now Gordon towards the Olympics European championships and stuff about Pfizer. Ever since two thousand nine. I've always been major stages beyond the economic impact of would lose out on a of money. You're a guy that when you do fight in front of large crowds. Those crowds are almost entirely there for you. They're all cheering for you. And they're very supportive of you. How would that would that impact your fighting? If you don't have that kind of support around you eighty thousand fans at Wembley stadium kind of cheering. Her name would that impact your ability in the Ring Up Chris. Wolf because no time to reflect. It's been difficult when a company so quick. You know you'll find eight thousand people whether you like. You're not dead a massive impact on your psyche on your confidence You know that the US to perform when I was saying I'M GONNA come back to this quite game of constantly. I'm embracing unperformed for the crowd. I'm putting my right hand. Jabba with that hand. I'm showing people in new side of of my skill set. That's what I'm saying about. Shutterbugs have been working on new things so with that being said yeah it would be difficult to fight without the crowd that's entertain but wins a win and it goes down in history and this is just Paul History. So what can I say any opportunity and this and managed to secure Tyson fury by bicycle Buying those I would take it because I don't take it now. I don't think twice agree would probably be around by the time. This will come around again when big hole shows are available so I have to take the opportunity. Wow that is what I'm trying to say. Could you imagine I mean you've versus? Fury is probably the biggest fight in boxing easily. The biggest fight in boxing. Could you imagine that five being behind closed doors guys like history itself like you know we've managed to kill the biggest fight with the public have been screaming for but there's been a national crisis of fortunately that have we will have to watch from homes where we isolated and at the same time even though there's been a big economic impact on on the world? We're still charging that the paper. What would we do in that situation? You have an exhibition for free and raise money for governments to support him. But I struggle with WHO knows it'd be people some people selling media credentials. Try to get in that fight. If Joshua versus fury one of the one of the fights that happened before though the crisis came about the pandemic came about was fury versus wilder. I mean fight that you clearly have a vested interest in the outcome but what was your reaction to seeing Tyson fury. Stop Deontay wilder like that. The AKASA offering. I'm only going to be facts on the situation. You know While it has had I think ten title defences with WBZ vote. So I look across the ten out offensive that he's had you know unless a case for spill car before the big guy was his name Union is correct Brazil or the door for your School Cop Zell us before He's for Ortiz twice Ortiz twenty-four fury twice. And thank you for presario La Molina aerial aerial. Beat Seth Mitchell that time. Yeah so we've been those ten right. I looked and I said okay coat. We have Tyson fury twice or T- twice and an old. I never talk typify. His ten defensive in all of those you know full challenges is had which topped white struggled with so I fought. Yeah of course come back come back along. Lael you know and he will come back again and get it right up. I know it's a No. It means to come so close stripped away so I just fought Tyson. Fear would do exactly what he would do. Toxically wise a break down in terms of how he went about it. I just believe that when you don't WanNa gets a top level is going to be difficult for him to stay due to the fact that he had had so long bubbling around mediocre fights. What did you think of the tactics? Dopamine we've never seen a fighter take the fight to deontay wilder like that bully the bully. Rui Short Stocky Wi fi punch. So we've been said you're not going to go walking into record and they're going to break it down. You Know Jab Jab Jab Jab and then he for all right so we've done say. Wa and he's a long range fire so he normally puts people on their back foot And really leverage is that right Comes flying so what what types of fury seems dining? No sound his back foot and edge forward ever so slightly the put onto out on his foot where I I don't see how struggles on his back foot to assign degree which we've seen across different flights. I've been analyzed the previous quite realize that if you take away His decent job and he's good right hand you know. He was slipping the right Harris. That was shooting over. He had more chances in beaten while his tactics was spots on. Not only did he have the taxes to carry them out is another thing and he managed to do and After the hard work paid off so you know. We have to current headway champions in Great Britain right now so water will be good if he stepped aside. Prulev good step aside and we got this fire on because It's one that the world is screaming for. Would you have fought deontay wilder like that? If that zone deal had come together last year would that have been a tactic you would have employed? Is Easy for me to yeah. That's exactly that's GonNa be real course. That's the way to take it so when you look in a in a warriors tool back okay and I look in. Don't they? What his school bag of weapons the other hand saw say? How do we take that away from him? It's hard profile as a fro- a powerful right hand moving backwards so we need to put him on his back foot and be dominant in that. How do we take away the right hand? When he's on his front broke a needed to practice. Snipping making shoe over your head defending it would delete hand so these attacks would have done enough when I say that main weapon away. I'm never really seen him anymore. Enough AQAP I've never really seen him her any longer. Right answer the body with So when I looked in the arsenal bag I think that's the way pressure and take away his main. Which is what happened. And then your your you know your seventy five percent of the way so you mentioned it'd be nice. If wilder stepped aside. It'd be nice pool of stepped aside. Do you think that's realistic? At this point that you can get them to step aside so you can face Tyson fury for the undisputed championship. Because I do the temperature. It means a lot to these boys. I respect that I know it. Attempts hit me so much as I would like them to. I've just highly doubt it because I wouldn't do it so yeah unfortunately it won't happen by an if a miracle come across. They both decided to. I'll be I don't need no will. I'm ready I'm looking forward to that. You never would've I mean any hearing. Kata said this but if he said if he ever gone to you and asked you to step aside. You would've told them hell no yet. I know it's easy for me to say and stuff like that and off the one loss as easy to be undone underestimated by. I'm so I'm so fired up and so passionate hungry. The claim the number one state can the heavyweight champion of the world flight into hold on some full belts by fighting government bodies fight and fight fighting against you know water fury fund to sound a willing to fight. You know to tell me to step aside. Eddie's rile would've told him hell no no way. I'll put the pre myself respect to such a honorable thing carried. You know feel family and for you as a Passi- oh I won't respect him if you don't do a lot of trash talk on social media. Aj but were you tempted after wilder lost to kind of respond in the same way. He responded when you lost your titles. Oh Yeah Oh yeah when into my out my long list of things to say I love you. Know you knock him out when he's down also and that was that was at the top of this so I have to stand by those principles office. Shaw Think Mia Water as I say a couple of different crops you know he eat what we call begins and ends of a hate. I'm like that I'm more of a man. I didn't really going into tolkien crowd. They're really seem me toll recklessness against Philo White And Against Jaramillo over the now I'm GonNa Bust of the sport trying to be clean. I'm trying to be Represent sponsorships represent designed properly. I tried to stay away from the the the typical stereotype of a heavyweight folks up. So it's difficult. I have inmates at the fire up and recklessly when needed. Do you think wilder can win a third fight or do you think it's a wrap that he just can't beat theory? I never off any heavyweight because they say when it takes his one punch and I wanted to believe that himself he said you know you gotta be perfect for twelve grand. I just got to be perfect for one second. You believed to hide. You know my fuel going win again as I said is so true you have to do is catch him in one shot and and the tape was concerned quickly so Good Luck Embo. And we'll see what happens when this is done. The odds makers have said that if fury thought you he would be the favourite i. I can't remember a time where you weren't the favourite. I mean I think you are slight favourite against Klitschko in everything else. I think you were a favourite so the only reason is because of that released like that's the only reason and that's why I'm ready to redeem him. Put put trust back into into my stable. I get it I get knocked off. That went through. I went for made no excuse. It must have seen that. Where we beat the Amana tonight. You know so I make no excuse must have believed that. Yeah that night. I'll be the Besse Joshua and that's the thing that I'm working such a shame them in quarantine because it's a halt to greatness want. This is Paul History by walking toward B entice appearance where it may cause all the believers without Wanna be. You're not I believe it would be it. You know types of fear and quickly before we one is in a way. We're looking PRULEV. Look fruit wound up because I'm gonNA walk through ruler. That's the minds of ruined when it comes walking through. I WANNA boy that I'm worried about the boys around me. I'm walking fruit. Animal enough the mice. We have to have this quiet so I'm looking at Tyson fury. Lon when I'm GonNa Wolfram as well I have my. I have my issue law Shia. I'll go through it and I want to correct and told you like people to know what that for five mentally when you lose it in front of the Wallet and where it takes a come back and you know having this time to reflect is been a blessing in disguise has been a blessing in disguise. So we'll see we'll see what a future hall was then when fury while radio sauce. I'll tell you this I would not time now is that is that a different mindset for you than this time last year. I mean you were thinking wilder before you fighting as the first time or is it. Are you thinking the same now or is what happened to you last year? Change your mindset so it has changed so in training camp like I'm not six outwear it's just Puna Prulev prudhoe voice I'm thinking of the whole division. I'm I've got my my Mauka panel and drawing everyone's name and everyone's in my sight so at this present time hundred percent. I'm saying if I get through him than him fucking get through him than I can fly you sick if I get for genetic in order them into the mix one hundred percent. I'm thinking of wider picture. Again of fading like a challenge on underdog. As you said I'm not number one with the bookie At the minute and I'M GONNA put my name back where it belongs. And that's just all is based on trust. They have to trust that when I stepped in the ring he you know again on the House against me. They'RE GONNA lose it if they'd be for me. They're going to win. I'm the House Casino you know. Trust back into my name and I was GonNa do that by demolish improve. I had I was walking towards greatness way before training comes thawed. This you know. Slow things down by Is Fine of ready mentally after the has you're one of those guys that had a really bird's eye view of Tyson fury coming up because of where you are in the UK and where fury came up for a long time. He was like the guy that punched himself in the face. I that Steve Steve Cunningham knocked down. I mean it was a surprise far. Yeah yeah no he well yeah. He believed that every fight. I need time to develop an assay. Tyson periods been professional. Like what thirteen years since two thousand nine by the nine ten eleven? Twelve thirty forty fifty six seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty seven years eleven years going on twelve years. He's had he's had you needed so much time to develop you know. And he's finally got to a stage where he's found that stroke confidence. You know so. Congratulations him. So I just reflect. And that's why you said that Buds. I'd be when I was studying. These guys go free when I was coming through and I looked Mike you and I said Whoa. I don't want to Kim ten years to do in free module. I'm going to continue so I keep moving fruit. People move in for an I get. I had my little issue would release thing last year but I always say another six years from now when you know where Tyson fury and times of time. Why SHOULD BE UNSTOPPABLE. Could experience and wisdom is one of the greatest teachers so I'm governed now of knowledge about the folks in industry all right before I let you go you are massively popular in the UK. You are very popular in the US Madison Square Garden. Selling out the way that you did. I want to do a little. Us versus UK. Challenge here with you. So you're going to tell me which is the better of the two Names I list. Us or UK. And I'll start with the better Tyson Gypsy king or Iron Mike. Usa Are Mike then. Hundred Percent Way. Let me do some non-opec me wait. Got Mike Tyson now as AJ's background on. Zoom better boxer one sixty eight callum Smith or Danny Jacobs. Why are you GonNa take me there? I WANNA go difficult mind. I'm not going to answer that question. That is a no answer athlete. Better Youtube fighter cast side or Jake. Paul okay better. Venue Wembley Stadium or Madison Square Garden. Muhammed opinion my humble. Wembley Stadium it. Just it can bring together a nation. You know. Eighty thousand seats. Go back to twenty thousand. That's what it comes down to to me. I agree having seen both I love. Msg At Wembley Stadium is pretty bad. Ass Better Eddie. Eddie hearn or Eddie Murphy Eddie. You've seen his jokes. The inside story right. Why did the chicken cross? Edie Edie Edie does business and tells good jugs. He's pretty bored now that he heard better rapper. Storms EAT OR DRINK DRAPE. Better Action Hero. James Bond or Ethan. Hunt Dame's better singer Adele or beyond beyond say okay better brew tea or coffee coffee or day. I'm with you there. Better pub GRUB fish and chips or burgers and fries fries. Better nerdy franchise Harry Potter or Star Wars. Ooh Stall was. That's a tough one for y'all better. Prince Prince William or Prince the artist. What a purple rain. Princeton bit prints the artists. Lastly better blonde chef whose name starts with the letter G. Gordon Ramsay or guy. Fieri Gordon Ramsay. What a lot of American answers their age. I gotTa tell you. I'm trying to get the American public on my side. That's the management team. Tell me you need to get the Americans on your side champ. Does it you. You had that one fight at MSG you. I know you wanted to fight their badly going into it. Does it's still burnside's you to get another fight there and to get a win on. Us soil. You're you're you're somehow Put into my brain because that's the way it's been my son before it's all said and done. I will return the MSG glad to hear that. Good luck during the quarantine. Man always appreciate your time and hopefully whether it's behind closed doors or outdoors. We see back in that ring a real soon. Thanks thank you very much.

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"Welcome to the fight with teddy atlas presented by dynamic striking. Ken reid joined as always by the voice of boxing. On friday night fights for the last twenty five years the great teddy atlas teddy. How you doing good linda. Jim amid my vitamin as they say you know. I hear people say my environment. I guess this would be my violent like note on like it enough. This is where. I've been the most of my life so it always feels right to be in a gym and we morton snows german trinity. Boxing club downtown. That could be a better place. Yup very generous with his time and with the facility so thanks tamar teddy before we get into discussing the big heavyweight showdown coming up this weekend. Alexandra lucic and anthony joshua in london. I know you saw the fight the ufc main event. This weekend on. Anthony smith against the ryan span of dying to hear your thoughts on that wanna i know like i said i knew you watch the fight. Would you see there. I saw a guy that's not shot. I saw a guy. Edward smith to everybody. You know everyone out there. And i get it. They will say he's had fifty plus fights and they're saying the shop one. He's you know he's beyond himself. He's he's used up at his. And i didn't see i saw a guy who had a revitalization if you will a renaissance If you will that he kind of like when holyfield was supposed to be shot. And i needed something by beating guy i forget. His name might something but the mike dice you know and all of a sudden. He wasn't so shot anymore smith. He's showed that there's still some still some life and our body is still some miles. You know on that car so to go down the road wherever it's going to take them maybe to get another title shot. Or he's at least earned and other to be in the mexican of title shot. Because he eliza wrong. I thought he was the underdog i i don't know i'm not so sure rob up to so we'll do some work on that now as we continue to do this but i thought smith was probably the dog again spun but he was braying. He he did it both ways you know onto mad and striking e really did it strike where he was first of all. I like the always liked to cerebral pot. I always liked to technical pot and he landed clean. Strike several different ways. The first one. That i that got my attention. Spit land with account left talk. He caught you. Know spun coming in being aggressively cordoba. Mccown took dropped him. Hurt him with that. That he caught him with l. Got credit for it but he caught him with a right hand where he beat them to the marquis timed them with the right hand as spun was about to up talk. You should never lead with left hooks in front of a guy. I always say that you never lied. We'll talk in front of somebody because you could get big with the state punch. You know when. When i was missing class in school sometimes what they what teaching i think in geometry's was straight line. Stand for that a straight line beats you know around line a straight right hands going to beat a whole so you told about right in going to beat it. And that's what he did. He caught up with the right hand side to hook of spawn. I heard him with that and then he finished his show. Why while he gets wonderfully hurts with that does combine violates those punches and everything he landed. You heard a with like he was. He was heavy handed. And then he gets some uninformed brag. I'm going to show off a little bit for. Myemma made people that allow into their world and i graciously accepted. And with all due respect. I say thank you. But he hurts drops a manetti get some in position for a naked rear helped me a rare day. Could i gotta be making submission chunk and he got on them and and submitted them quickly of with that rear naked shock of so glad. I will say that. So i i was the last thing. I'll close on that fight with this. He was. He was not himself when it came to him being smith i allowed respectful. What a tough guy i mean. If you're nickname was lionheart. You'd better be tough. And he he got which is very unlike him nasty angry after fight with this he was he was going to marry emotion. Yeah very emotional. He's going after them a little bit. And i understand why this fifty plus fights who's always been a humble guy and he still has always been a humble guy always been. Courteous sky well-spoken. Just just a mild-mannered guy. You know and a gentleman and apparently for the workup for this fight. Before the fight his opponent was saying a lot of derogatory things about you know and they do that. I mean that's part of it sometimes. But i think that the way he did it. He felt disrespected. I think what he felt like this humble guy is warrior does lionheart with fifty plus fights. He felt like he earned the right. Not to be disrespected. That's just what it felt like to me. Like he earned the right to fifty and fights with all the top guys. you know not to be disrespected. And it bothered him so much that he that he behaved in a way that is very uncomfortable and he went after the. Let them know the you're going to see. You said these things about me now and they went after along those lines and i also think there was a there was a second reason behind that and i think the second reason he still here obviously he was kind of sending a message to all the people out there and i get this the old times who talk about this. Where dull take my kindness for weakness. Just because i'm a gentleman. Just because you know i don't go and i don't. You know go say all kinds of nasty things enacted outweigh. You know doesn't mean that. I'm not what i that i you know. He's a warrior. he he's he's he's a gladiator. Which which these guys. He's a samurai and they kind of let to sunrise about respect. I think that's what it was about with him. Is you know again. Sending a message. Don't take my weakness. Don't take my kindness of weakness. And i've earned the right to be respected after fifty insights into to your point. I mean this is the same guy who had the opportunity to be the light heavyweight champion of the world had. He stayed on the canvas after john jones hidden within a legal blow but he knew in his heart. It's not the right thing to do. He got up seem guy who was getting smashed by global tuck. Sarah global knocked his teeth out. Anthony smith in the middle of this ongoing picks up his teeth hands until the referee jumping around us about and it was distracting. I mean his class and told her about months of glad to see him back in the wind. Call congratulations to anthony. Smith now teddy. Let's get into the main attraction the big big upcoming heavyweight title fight in london. It's going to be in an arena soccer stadium in In london sold out crowd the tickets ringside above ten thousand pounds. Plus crazy buildup for this one. We've got alexander. Lucic undefeated unified cruiserweight champion. Moving up to heavyweight the challenge for the title against the unified champion. Anthony joshua was only one loss. What should we look for in this. Oh boy robbery. I we give to a point. I mean really. that's we're blessed with. We just went past thirty five million downloads. Thank you thank you. And and now good closing in on two hundred thousand subscribers. Thank you but there's a reason why you call me really because i think we give it to you straight. You know when. I play games. But i'm trying to make somebody happy Stay on somebody's good side. You know play politics. You know none of that political correctness stuff over here. We're was saying what we believe. You did what we believe it and you need to hear that you know. I love my brothers and sisters ovo cross upon you know that i love you. Keep those properties purpose. I i love you. My man's coming over there to do a big race you know. Give them off. Give them love and he's gonna win by the way week from tomorrow. Be there a week from tomorrow. He'll be there and he's ready. He's in shape. You could see. But what i'm saying is how is he gonna. How is all a ukrainian kid. Gonna get a fash shake in london. With how many people are going to be there. Fifty to seventy thousand fifty to seventy thousand people going to be there right. How's it gonna get if he does what he's going to be easy but if he does win and deserves to have his hand race to call to heavyweight champion the wall if he gets himself up. How's it going to happen. I mean really. I mean you'd be have a better shot of going over there for the rays of becoming prime minister. I mean you might come back. Prime minister who could come back champion. I mean again talking the truth sports. A corrupt sport. Oh did i say oh man. Yeah i said it i said yeah it is and we work we try to make it not corrupt. We do because what's not corrupt as what these warriors to incite here in the squared circle. That's no that's true. That's just that's special. That's not corrupt. They give themselves. They put themselves out there to dan to find out if they're good enough to dan and find out if they could go to a dog place which most people never go to our dog. Place a scary place an unknown place and if they can light a torch in our place and find their way. Wow that's what they do and then again a good father by some doke with a pencil in his hand aside the frequent rain most of the time never took a punch in. It's bigger life. Are you kidding me. And you don't let you expect me city and not say some about it really you will. You will so that aside that is going to have to figure out and if his management team makes money by making plenty of money to if they get dan supposed to be on top of that. Yeah earned that money to make sure that you don't give out. The view wins but to win. All he's going to have to. He's going to have to what everyone talks about. Is the big guy. You know david and goliath he. We call the big guy. Well why at the big guys bigger. Would you know what he's got a win by being a small guy by turning around flipping the script instead of looking at all the advantage of the biggest guy you know being judged. We'll look at the advantages guy. Faster more crafty better technique. Maybe better legs. You know the hands. Maybe you know a more cerebral you know doing those things. Maybe maybe smaller guy has events. That's how he's gonna win. He's got to flip the script and make this more. The guy the more dangerous guy in that kind of way and he's got to do this history fam- does history behind him. There's a president you don't who's it was a great cruise away who's a gold medal is just like joshua but i was dead when john taking away for jobs in corner fights that was my last olympics. Two thousand twelve and england in london and joshua didn't beat detained. I'm sorry he did for the goal he got it. What do you think was going to happen. What do you think is gonna happen. Come on your competition go. No he was going to get that he was going to get that and he did anyone. But i'm telling you i pulled to fights detach taken underway for. Judge had a great career. He's a helpful fighter. And i give them all the credit for being museum for sean carrigan come back into got knocked out by route. Least we invented himself. I give credit. And i'm giving him the credit right now but he owes it won a gold medal. Just beat everybody and he goes. It becomes the unify kruse way chip. You could argue. He's the greatest cruiserweight champ. If there was another guy named event holyfield event. A holy will holyfield is the greatest kruse way champ full-time but who's it gives them a run for his money gives them a run for as much as his dance to pesident. Where holyfield we forget. Holyfield was too small. He was supposed to be too small to beat the big guys. You know he was supposed to be douglas after was tyson. I'd alleged you know the monster. The boogeyman you know. He wasn't supposed to. But then the greatest cruiserweight champion ever went up and beat the big boys and he outsmarted me quote him a good punchy got them to do what he wanted to go to leave himself over with the uppercut to same. Cut that that. Douglas had used to knock out tyson to finish tyson. He got into troll that he stepped out he made a mistake. We gotta fight plan. You're gonna love it you're gonna love it. Why safai plan your like all five plants posting this thursday. Do you see and he came any filter. Olney he not listen. He's got to follow that history. This is it. it's been done before with a smaller man. Beats the big man. He can't i guess one of the fan things to say. Is that the same thing that's going to happen with the other fight for the heavyweight belts the other belts with wilder. We did a fight for that too with wilder and with fury. Is that when you find a guy. That's he's the big guy used punch like while you can't afford to make mistake. Well that's one thing you can say that that ouza classified a perfect time. He he can't afford to make mistakes With the big schnell he moved up. He did just like always took a couple. Heavyweight fights put his foot nepal and everywhere pulled to see how the waterfall you know and he went up and one of the guys who beat was zoran. Choose all caught him some shots all that go. They will close the is. That's not good. If he could catch him you know but different styles different styles different styles and the good news is he showed he could take way punch. The bad news is he showed he could take that he that he got in. But it's a different. She was getting hit y punches stepping out joshua draws more sophisticated to to you beautiful people there. Yeah you'll guy. Does that much more sophisticated punches. That harder see come harder to deal with. And he's a decent finishing so how big is a ring. See i did. That's important again. The management who makes a lot of money with those they'd better. They'd been work on stuff like that little things like that. That was the difference with sugar. Ray let it when he beat the great late and i him office the great late marvelous marvin hagler where you know. Agnes people his his his guys brothers. They will concentrate on the money and you know and lend its people might train was advising lawyer. They will concentrate on the ringside the club size. All enemy difference a made it tips. So i hope people are paying attention because it is a team a little bit. I know you alone in this right you up but before you get in this ring it is team and you have a job and i hope they did their frigging john. Okay so the ring size would want allowed to rain. Obviously to use his legs and the advantage. He's got good legs you know. He comes from the same camp as lohman woman check writing so as the likes in a business and he comes from that same statement. You know lohman shackles. Follow you. Know has an influence in there with the likes. So but his his ex factor joshua legs ain't too bad because when he had to reinvent himself when he got knocked out by ries and then come back and beat louise. he's showed pretty good wheels. She'll pretty good wheels. So let's interesting. He's got pretty good lakes. And i think talk about x. Factors i did what are the x factor is one of the big things here is that you know everybody's thinking okay. The bigger guys could be aggressive. Who's gonna go in and for us to win in this for me. He's got his lay traps. He's going to get more balanced gunky mangoes. He's gotta count upon. Just gotta keep more bounce and you can do that with a guy beat aggressive guy walking it you hope the guy just uses scientists walks admirers like the mummy. Oh and then you go to breaking things over here but if ghitis uses size that's always going to do coming in easily pick easily pickles that but you gotta remember empty. Got knocked out by louise. Josh would change. he's a little more catherine a little thoughtful a little more responsible. You know what that that might hurt six chances because he's not as regularly so it's just out forward motion guide. No more like just going to go get you and find you now being that you know. He has felt mortality right He knows that he could be heard. He knows he can be that way he. He's more thoughtful so enthusiastic. Had the plan which i would have been the planet is the plan to be the matador with the bowl. It's kinda hard to be combated to with the bull when he be hitler bowl. It's kind of hard to do that. So that's an x factor. Pleased to think about a little bit while you join those carpets in love with the butter i love the bottle and look. I like him a lot of ways. I like to. But i love love with jam. Is that what you call it over there. Jam cam at that gym and some tea and jolly good but in all seriousness. It's going to be an interesting fight. Maybe the most interesting part of it will be what i could to about honestly at the top. Which if he does do his job and seek does see. I don't wanna hear that trap. You gotta take it from heavyweight. I only hear that. That's the i said it. I don't want to hear that crap because you win. You win unwind. He all but you've gotta take it. No you win. The victim fight. The should get period if he wins by this much this much. I don't care it. Waves and music was to win by this much. I would hope maybe against hope that the sport would allow self to be honest and fair so these noble warriors at give it. It'll but then again. If i see you come back with that. That sideshow on that says your prime minister. I know the story. I know what happened. Okay so i'll settle for knighthood by. I get i again. It's going to be an interesting fight you know came can say ken teddy. I'm trying to hit on all the main factors teddy can. Who's the ass to take the powell joshua You know what. I'm going to say to you first of all. I think the game plan is going to be not to take that you should we. Can't you know what. I mean not to take it to avoid but for one shot at something this guy. That's what everyone internationally for them. i think. Put my money on them. I would think you never not know But you know you had ruis who is knocks out joshua and then joshua back rematch by boxing. Reinvent himself but then ruis of course blew up and then takes away off comes back after losing the title and he fights ariola lose forty years old and so maybe maybe the question is to look at that a little bit. Where you know louise louise land. A lot of shots on ariola. Forty year old. We've been knocked out several times. I barry all the heart of line but but knocked out several times and he couldn't. he couldn't stop him. Couldn't stop yet. He josh maybe you look at heavyweight here. We go look back at his chin. Yeah you know a little bit and and see if he take and also you you gotta you gotta look at some of the intangibles. I talked about in the fight plant. You know it sounds like just sort of thing that you say what. There's merit to it where certain people know how to win. They just not a win. Your your your favorite quarterback rating. He just knows how he knows how to win. And you know the special ones that that is a talent. That's an attribute that's a skill and it's a belief that goes deep deep. Because you believe his he has also has not learned how to lose it. joshua has. that's a good point. Joshua has that's something that that that translates in a close fight in a tough fight. It translates so i'm i'm looking at all dimensions all angles and hopefully i've later pretty much away. A want to all out there for you guys to be able to kind of go over in your mind with all that being said for the guys at my check out at my book al chase on your promo code atlas. If you'd like to discuss a month. I i'd like just to get throat. Forget the hat. I love that. Don't get me wrong. Forget that just the big of the sacra money. That's what i'd like them to bring. Legs time you can still wear the had. Bring the sack of money. All right help me. Get the sack upon heritage's minus two seventy five on anthony joshua plus two twenty five on usak who you're going with while you know. I want that second money man. I really wanted. I want that one. You can get it on a dog if you really believe a dog and win and more importantly to talk believes he can win. Who's it believes he could win. He believes that's listen. It's they're on their own when it comes to sort out the robbery. That might take place that i could easily see. I could see us that easily. It stuck a b. joshua but fighting perfect fight at earning a decision and then losing a split decision. I could see that i agree. I mean i unfortunately. Unfortunately he might need fifteen rounds to win this always only twelve but his only twelve of you know what. I'm going to leave that up to them to sort that crap out you know and i'm just going to say that was does what holyfield that many years ago and it goes up from crews await undefeated unified kruse way chip maybe the greatest kruse way champ been only filled that can back and he goes up there and he takes everything that made him komo's olympics that made them great foods way chant that belief that ability that he doesn't know how to use that he takes it. Knee goes in that big stadium in london. And who wins if he does get that done now. We quite the crowning achievement. Like you said to win a gold medal every belt cruise away go up and take all but the wbz at heavyweight it would be unbelievable. Look full at the sea in the fight if you like the odds if you like. Oh teddy asks the say. Go to mike wilkie check them out mybookie dot. Ag use the promo code atlas for fifty percent credit on your first deposit up two thousand dollars. Good luck to everyone. Check out the fight. Plan this coming thursday. And we'll be back with you monday to break it all down. Thanks for being with us.

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Hour 2: Will Cain filling in

The Stephen A. Smith Show

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Hour 2: Will Cain filling in

"Listen up people, we have a big favor to ask, and we promise it won't take too much of your time. You know, our show supported by some fantastic sponsors, right? Well, we'd love to hear your feedback head to podcast listeners dot com and fill out a short anonymous survey. That's it. We swear again, that's podcast listeners dot com. This is this even a Smith show podcast. And to give it to somebody right now. Two games into the NBA finals. If you had to give the MVP to Kawai lynyrd, or Steph curry, who would you give it to, and truthfully designer man deserve it? Eight seven to nine three seven seven six on the shell Pennzoil performance on is the Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty and on ESPN news. It's will Kane fill in for Stephen A today. You normally catch me three to six eastern all those same radio and television channels or on. I take hanging out with Steven A and max in the mornings. Before the NBA finals tipped off. I saw everybody's predictions up mine in as well. ESPN at all kinds of fancy graphics. You can post them on Instagram you could post money, SPN dot com. And you could see what do you pick who's gonna win, how many games who's the MVP, and I don't know that anybody picked an MVP other than Steph curry or Leonard. And here we are two games in and you tell me if either of them have really stepped up to the VP play. That's coming up in just a moment here on the Stephen a Smith show. But I wanna return to a subject that left off right before the commercial break. And it was this, how many coaches in the NFL the, you think are truly great how many do you go down on the list before you hit league average or in the range of average. Little bubbles, little below. Replaceable. Not distinguished, the sporting news put out a list of ranking all thirty two NFL coaches, and there's a couple of things that just jumped out at me as I was reading it one was my God. Are you kidding me? Jason Garrett his twelve I mean. Jason Garrett as a Cowboys fan, I'm ready to tell you. Is the epitome of mediocrity twelve I think just by the math of it would be above average. So what we're dealing with in Dallas. I don't think so. And I think that's somewhat typical where we are in the NFL there's a lot of unproven coaches, but really, truly stand out coaches, I think you're looking at five four five six in that range and that to the sporting news head in this range Bill Belichick one. Los Angeles Rams, Sean McVay to Nolan. Saints Sean Payton, three, Andy Reid four Pete Carroll five. Do you go much deeper when you're talking about greatness, Robin, Pennsylvania? What's up, rob? You're on the Stephen a Smith show with will Cain. Hey well, great time. I'll listen to love your show too. Well, thank you for filling in for Stephen as so I think there's only one a week coach in the NFL, while I'm a diehard eagles fan and a huge Doug Peterson fan. I think Bill Pella check is literally, the only elite coach in the NFL and that's been proven year after year after year. And while there's many, great coaches in the NFL even going back as an eel, San Andy Reid was a great coach for a long time, but he never really got them there. And while he's at number four, I, I don't agree with that. I think this one man appreciate the call rob. It's a great call. However many coaches we quantify we establish as great as one that's head and shoulders above everybody else. You're absolutely right. Rob. It is Bill Belichick. It's actually a tier all by itself. And what's fascinating is. It's a tear established by leadership by innovation by judgment by perfecting perfection. Another sounds ridiculous. Perfecting perfection. Nothing escapes scrutiny everything. Every detail is what matters is not built on the newest latest gimmick or fad or explosive innovation offense. It's buying were other cell. It's looking for value in places. That others ignore is as the rest of the league goes one way. It's finding something slipping under the covers over here. That's what's made him head and shoulders. I will tell you this, I think in any given endeavor, there's probably about twenty percent of people doing it. Who are really significant really great. I don't care. What is your cell in your selling bibles door to door? Eighty percent of your sales comes from twenty percent of your sales force. I don't care what you're doing. It's I think it's called parade does principal. Eighty twenty proposition. Anything can be broken down into eighty twenty eighty percent of your problems caused by twenty percent of your students in the class. Eighty percent of your revenues generated by twenty percent of your workforce. And then, of course, there's always one. That's absolute head and shoulders, everybody else. And that's Bella check and here at ESPN, that's me. Or it's the men who normally host that show it. Stephen Smith and Stephen a Smith show is brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics, taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today was transition into basketball who is the MVP so far, two games into the NBA finals is a Steph curry or a quiet. That's everybody's pick ahead of the issue ahead of the finals. Steph or quite qui- or Steph max Kellerman was on. I take this morning and he was pointing out that he thinks Steph curry hasn't quite lived up to it. Two games in Steph curry, is this unbelievable mobile artillery, unit at all times, except I saw four twenty to go by against the Cavs game seven at home. Not a point scored and they lost seventy three win team. And last night, I saw Steph. You're the conductor of the greatest half court orchestra of all time. Why in five minutes do I hear no music near turnover winds up eighties? Hands accidentally, and he hits a shot. Otherwise, maybe you lose that game now max who I'm friends with on. I says some ridiculous things from time to time this idea that qu- is more clutch than Kobe Bryant. Ridiculous. Max can get out over his skis from any did, by the way this morning on the issue of Steph, he asked after under a good all the game clinching three pointer last night. He asked who would you rather have Igwe dolla- or curry on what you listen to this, because I really want you to hear Max's take. I want you to hear the crowd. This is a live. I take show in Toronto and max. This is how far over your skis where when you told us that it would dollar should have the last shot over curry. This was the rebuttal, you got from the crowd of everyone on Golden State, open shot fate of the universe on the line, or the martians have the death beam point that earth. You better hit it. I want Igwe dolla. That's right. And I know what that sounds like, and it's not fair to Steph because so much defensive attention is paid to him. And I'm not saying Steph, not a better shooter. He's a way better shooter dollars. Got ice water in his veins, as laughter, you hear from the crowd, that's not jeering. That's not your nuts. That's not rebuttals. That's involuntary giggling at the idea. That you would want Andre Iguodala taken the last shot over Steph curry. It's the ultimate rebuttal, it's the one that musters no intellectual effort, because none is needed in his laughter. But here's the thing about max. He's right about where Steph has been in the series so far. I know Steph scored thirty four in the first game scored twenty three last night on six of seventeen and he was quiet in the fourth when the warriors went five and a half minutes without a bucket stuff when the wars without clay the last eight minutes stretch, or with Steph. We're talking MVP here. We're not talking bad or good. When talking about if Steph has become an average talking about any of that. Zine MVP. That's who he was supposed to be in the series. That's who I picked, I picked warriors and six Steph is your VP now as he giving him MVP performance now. He hasn't when he scored thirty four in game one I said it's gonna take more. They lost. And you didn't have that takeover moment. You didn't have that Steph moment last night. They won. But did you have that takeover moment? Did you have that Steph moment yet? The team the third quarter do their thing. Twenty. Oh, run you had that. But a Steph is an MVP on the winning side of the NBA finals. It's got to be more than this. It's gotta be more than this. What about Kurai is quite putting together his in VP case, we're gonna get to that and just a moment here on the Stephen a Smith show, hosted by will Cain today Steph or co is anyone really made an MVP case. But in the meantime, I wanna take a quick transition. I wanna look elsewhere across the sports landscape. Because we had one of the biggest upsets. Some are saying in the sports history, we are we witnessed upset on the level of Buster Douglas against Mike Tyson we watched Andy Ruiz all two hundred outta shape of him knockout or beat or beat up Stephen said Anthony Joshua how big of a shock was it how big of an upset. Let's check in with our ESPN boxing analysts Dan Rayfield on the Stephen Smith show with will Cain. What's up, Dan? How are you? Hey, well, how are you? So Dan, help me out. Let's put this into historical context. I how big of an upset was it to watch Andy Ruis takeout indie Joshua this weekend. It was a big one, no doubt about that. But I think some people that need to pump the break a little bit is not buzzer Douglas knocking on my Tyson. If you wanna go by the actual betting odds the betting odds in the one casino that what even put up a number on the bus or Douglas, Mike Tyson fight was forty two one this fight closed. According to the Caesar sports spoke about eleven to one. So there's a big spread there. That's still the big upset of our time in recent heavyweight history. But I don't even think it's as big of an I mean, it's a huge upset don't get me wrong, but it's not to me even as big of an upset as it was when Hocine Rachmat knocked out Lennox Lewis in their first fight that was. Huge upside. Two thousand one ish. But it's on heavyweight landscape. Look, it's, it's about as big as it gets. I mean you don't see that type of situation in, especially in the heavyweight division. Doshisha was such a dominant. Fighter had been putting together a very quality resume and title, rain, it was a seventh offense. You know, the idea was come to the United States. Make your American debut at Madison Square Garden sold out, twenty plus thousand mostly Brits that made the trip over, you know, over the pond to come and see the fight taking on res who has been a little bit of an underachiever lost the one title fight that he did have two years ago or two and a half years ago, although very, very close on a decision that Joseph Parker fighter that Anthony Joshua defeated easily by decision to unify titles. You know this was not supposed to happen. Joshua was supposed to be fighting undefeated fighter named Jarrell Miller. But he was booted out of the fight for drug test, and then dangerous got the fight as not. Even the second option. He was, you know, another on the list, who put his name in the hat when we tease turned down the fight. So. Yeah, it's a huge upset. And it was a thrift fight. And, you know, we'll see Joshua can bounce back and we'll see if we can do it again. 'cause most likely they're going to have a rematch at the end of the year. Dan Rae here on the Stephen Smith show with we'll come back through a moment, Dan. But tell me this. What's wrong with Joshua? He went down what four times in the fight. Stephen was on earlier. Look, gassed, it just didn't look right? It didn't look right from Joshua. What was wrong? Well, I think what happened was he got nailed in, in the temple area side of the head, which is, you know, the head is fragile to begin with. That's a very sensitive area even more so than the other parts are had, I suppose, and they got nailed clean shot by two hundred sixty pound guy that was there to give his best effort, and she kept getting up. But I think that I knocked down that he suffered in the third round did a lot of damage. They said after the fight had suffered a concussion and you know, he's still continued to fight. So I can't say that there was. Necessarily, quote unquote, something wrong. I think what was wrong was he got Smith, nailed by a huge punch from injury reason that changed the entire tenor of the fight. He was never able to really truly get his faculties all the way back his legs. You know, were wreck after that first down then the second down and, you know, just a tough night at the office, and you combine that with the fact that, you know, he was on a different situation. You know, he talked about quite a bit in the lead up to the fight, you know, Joshua such a guy of habit. If you will, you know, he's been fighting in the same locations in the UK. Same commission, people same same arenas, you know, same time zones all the things that go into a trains, there for this one he wanted to come through the United States. He wanted to increase global name popularity here, and maybe set the scene. Maybe put some pressure on the day wilder for their unification fight that, that was nonexistent. So we came here he trained for the second part of a trend in Miami. That was the difference came to New York, you know. Was dealing with a lot of different things intense amounts of pressure on him as undefeated champion as basically the face of boxing, other than Kamilo Alvarez, and he had a horrible night end of the day. Here on the Stephen a Smith show is will Cain. I, I don't know how to ask this question in the right way. I just know this is something that needs to be answered, and gotta talk about Andy Louisa shape. Like what what's going, you know, teddy atlas said, he's just back, physical fitness a hundred years. You know, I mean. You know, I mean that was a little harsh from teddy, but I know what he's saying. Listen for every. Go to the drive through Donut shop all hell any reason. I'm a fat guy. Also, we love Anne REEs. Look in all seriousness. He he's, you know, this is not a perfect perfect analogy. Let's say, but Larry Holmes. He was heavyweight champion for a long time. He's one of the all time greats in the history of boxing, heavyweight or otherwise. And Larry home, never had a beautiful body wasn't a fat guy necessarily like Andrew this, but, you know, Larry Holmes could really fight, and obviously showed by the, the great legacy, and the history that he put together and we may not look like a top level, professional athlete. But let's call them like boxing version of Barlow Cologne, for example. You know, did anybody say the Cologne couldn't pitch even though you know, he was Rotan. That's be nice about it. You know he can really pitch. Also Andrews can really fight. He was a good amateur fighter. He was like a hundred wins and five losses. He was although born in the United States first generation Mexican his parents are from Mexico. He was on the Mexican national team amateur. You know, he's had a quality, professional career. His only loss was in the by majority decision on the other guys perf in New Zealand for a vacant world title. And, you know, people have always kind of underestimated and undervalued Andy because of his shape, 'cause he's not in necessarily the best of condition, but you could go on YouTube and find did use of training. He has a Jilay anybody that knows the sport of boxing will tell you that heavyweights and your res ranks very, very high. In terms of you said, hey, who in the heavy division, has the fastest ends a lot of people will tell you release. So just because he doesn't look the way that your mind says a heavyweight champion should look, you should not judge the book by its cover Andries came in good shape with stamina. He had just fought on April. The twentieth had a full training camp for that fight knocked out Demetrio Alexander Demetrio, April twentieth and around the same time that the Joshua people were looking for replacement opponent when Miller fell out. Andrew is contacted the Joshua. People his promoted Eddie hurry, send them a message on Instagram. So I want the fight he ended up getting the fight. So we did the full two month camp together for Demetrio took like a week off after that fight, and then got the fight with Joshua was right back in training. So really almost had a three-month camp with the exception of the one week, he wasn't as good a shape he's going to be in. We're fight. I mean it sounds crazy but look, Anthony Joshua aneurysm condition out. I hear you. I hear you. And I and I know that you're absolutely right. Don't let us not mix up skill above for everybody, baby. I know what you're saying about how fast hands are his skill and even even his training to some extent. We're not used to see in top level athletes. Look like that, Dan. And I mean, the stamina was fascinating you bring up his stamina's high because that's what you would think would be compromised, but tell me this just last question on his on his shape is he just doesn't pay attention to diet does everything else, but diet. Hell no. No, I'm not in the camp with them. So I can't speak to that. But I've known any reason most of his professional corrupt covered a number of his fights. And when he's in the camp, you know, he by all accounts, you know he takes it seriously. You know, I don't know if he goes out there, and he lifts weights. But again boxing, is not a lifting sport. You know, you have to have the skills, you know, in the immortal words of the great philosopher Floyd Mayweather junior skills pays the bills, and the reasons, the heavyweight has them, and he's got some power to go with it. And if you land the right way with two hundred sixty pounds behind you, you can do damage to a guy if he's give taken that shot. So, you know, India REEs is what is I said, don't judge a book by its cover. Nobody gave a chance partly because he's a lot shorter. Then Joshua partly because he was a lot fatter than Josh will probably because he didn't have the big names on his resume, Anthony Joshua got a gold medal in the Olympics. And Andrew, we didn't go to the Olympics. I mean, there's a lot of reasons not to pick them and I didn't pick them. I mean I thought he would give better. Or ten of them. So then a lot of people said it was going to get blown out of there and one or two rounds and actually look like he was going to get blown out of because Anthony Joshua put him on the canvas in the third round with a beautiful punch ready out off the deck. You showed the harm the poison it came back and clobbered the guy. Stephen Kane Andrew is giving hope to fact is everywhere. I've got two more for you here, Dan, real quick. I is this good or bad for boxing? I'm not talking about the fact that age ruins beat Antony, Josh, Josh with so much is that Joshua went down, and we're now deprived or at least delayed a super fight, you would think with wilder and Joshua it just the it has taken down one of the three big champions, at the heavyweight level. If you look at it like that, then yet, bad for boxing, because even if Joshua defeats any reason, a rematch that most people think will take place at the end of this year and regained the titles, and, basically, puts behind a makes you sort of like a bump, in the road, if you will any then can go on and have a fight for the undisputed championship against the day, wilder. That's that'd be fine. But it will never be what it was opposed to be before Saturday when they were both undefeated. And they both had the are of invincibility perfect records. That's gone. It's Andy Reid murdered that the way he could murder don't under a beer. I mean that's done. So that's never going to happen now. That's not to say they can't find the future, but it will never be what it should have been. And that's a shame. And so by that by that context is bad for boxing, but it's also good for boxing from the standpoint that you had an Andy Ruis come out of nowhere. Look in the way he does, and winning the heavyweight championship of the world and doing so, you know, in an exciting kind of exciting fight that, you know, in front of a packed house. I mean that will bring fans that maybe didn't know that the fine was even happening before it who may have seen the highlights or heard about it or read about or hear in interviews about it on the Monday after the fight and say, you know, I gotta check this out. So maybe, we'll bring some more people into the ten on the casual side, who will be interested when they have a rematch, so from that standpoint, it's good anytime there's some big jolt of energy into any sport doesn't matter if it's boxing baseball football basketball. You name it. You know that can only be good for the sport. I guarantee you that if they have their rematch they'll be intense interest, when they do it again, last question for you. Describe it as a bad night at the office for anti Joshua. Is there anything larger to take from it, then, you know, one power puncher hitting anti Joshua? Just the right place and making a bad night for him. Is there anything bigger Deontay wilder wants to call Josh would now fraud that he was never what we thought he was. While there when she gets hit on the chin like that, and trust me, and I love the I got nothing bad to say about the what's some day he's gonna get hit on the chin also. And he's gonna get knocked out. Also lets you likes it. When people say the same thing about him because he's shown himself to be a little tannehill. So just go watch his fight against the Luis Ortiz. But that being said, here's the point. We don't know the answer to your question yet. Because that chapter of Joshua's comeback rebound at cetera has not been written yet. And the reason I say that because I like to use historical analogies you where you, you, you can't make an assessment of what hasn't happened yet, and I remember covering when Lewis versus Rochman the first night when he got knocked out, and that was after he got knocked up by Oliver McCall and people said Lennox had no chin. And he was not going to be a top champion et cetera. While he came back from the Rochman fight. He knocked him out. Decisively in the rematch and had many big wins after that, and became an is regarded as one of the great heavyweight champions of all time is in the hall of fame. And his legacy grows with each passing year. Klitschko is another great example, absolutely left for dead. When he got knocked out by Lehman, Bruce, which effect that I covered and I was out in Las Vegas, people said there was a young guy had a gold medal. Just like Louis. Just Joshua had previously held the world title. But Brewster knocked them out. And they were like he should retire. Absolutely finished has no future in the sport. He was absolutely on the bottom of ladder, Cliquot tell you himself, he was on the bottom, and after that he went on regained. The title held the title for more than a decade made eighteen title defences third. Most in the history of heavyweight boxing has been involved in twenty nine world championship fights, more than any other fighter in the history of boxing in the heavyweight division and held the title on terms of defenses to eighteen third most ever point being at the moment of the Bruce or knockout loss. He was left for dead. And he went onto fashion one of the all time greatest heavyweight championship careers in the history of the sport. And he'll be going all the fame when is. Eligibility comes in a couple of years. So we don't know if that's going to be the same situation for Joshua, but it certainly could be, and people will look back and say, oh, who are those idiots, I wrote him off because he got clever by Andrews that one night in New York. ESPN boxing, writer, here on the Stephen a Smith show with Wilkin preacher time, Dan. Thanks so much are. Well, you bet anytime. So laid out the case for Steph curry, is he an NBA finals MVP candidate, two games in or is he falling short? But now go to his rival quite Leonard's case being made how his resume stack up two games in for NBA finals, MVP Steph or co I at eight seven to nine three seven seven six. Stephen Smith show with willqejon today on ESPN radio. What's your hail, look like these days, is it slow starting to move backwards and a bald spots, yet head to four hymns dot com today. It's a one stop shop for hair loss skin care, and other wellness supplements for men. Thanks for science baldness can be. 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And I'm asking you two games into the NBA finals who's made their case MVP have either the two favorites has Steph curry, or I've laid out for you that I think Steph curry, my pre NBA finals in VP pick as fallen something short of expectations. I know he went for thirty four in game one but you didn't have that Steph moment. You didn't have that takeover moment, you didn't have that can't be denied moment. You didn't have that we gotta w because I will it moment and a game to tell the Twenty-three. Yes, his team got the victory but we just haven't seen the Steph. How about this, the MVP level Steph that we've come to expect now. What about the other favorite? What about Coa lynyrd? It's fascinating that they are somewhat mirror images of each other while Steph went for thirty four in game one who I went for twenty three had an off game dependent on PASCAL CRM to get the raptors to win in game two Steph, regress Twenty-three inqui- went up to thirty four but he also didn't have his moment, and he regressed where was qui- where was during the, the warriors big run in the third quarter. Twenty oh run. Where was quite in. Where was quite the end of the game. When the warriors went cold for five and a half minutes, and let the raptors had their shot to come back into it. Where was quite takeover moment. Then. Ryan Holland's NBA analyst for years. PIN said this is the kinda game. And this is the time that could send kuwa- not out of the series but out of Toronto this type of game that makes Kawai Leonard leave. You look around Golden State is injured heart. You're up your dominating and you can't put your foot on the next of the Golden State Warriors, Kawai, Leonard can go do that. He can go be himself somewhere else. Hit go defend and go get thirty points. And tonight he joins the clubs of LeBron James and Kobe Bryant. I don't need to run over that. We're healthy. We're good. There's no reason that Toronto doesn't win that game and Kalat Leonard has done everything he can possibly do do double teams and these last two games. And in fact, the entire playoff run. These are the games that Sinn co why Leonard to LA why. Because there's somebody waiting in LA that's going to give him more than PASCAL Siachen dating game one look Kawais been great throughout these playoffs. But I don't want hear Ryan Hollins or anybody else, tell me that why Leonard did all he could do. That was the words that he used did all he could do if the Golden State Warriors spot, you five and a half minutes of scoreless nece. You gotta win that game if the Golden State Warriors. Are depleted to the extent? There is no, Katie, no clay under the weather. Curry no von looney. A hobbling gas boogie cousins in Andrey Godollo willing to step on the moment, but will only can step up one leg because the other one is busy scheduled for another third are I then you gotta have something more from Leonard if you win. If you're going to be the MVP of an NBA finals, I don't think Steph or qui- have stepped up to the VP play kit. I got one is yet on pace to win the VP, if you look at the first two games, Stephen Smith said it, and I agree boogie cousins in VP of game too. And I don't think anybody would pass Cousy Arkham MVP of game one the superstars are going to have to step up at some point and take control of this series. The only question is which superstar steps up. I will be Steph. Willoughby qui-. Adrian New Jersey. What's up Adrian? You're on the Stephen Smith show with wilt came. Trying to subject. So what everybody else doesn't look at as when puffing curry was hurt and Kevin Durant was there. The warriors went five and five out of ten games, which makes them five hundred team average now I know he's not the most dominant defensive player but takes so much attention on the offense inside. They even if he's not thirty. Taking all that attention away. And it's opening everybody else which is either warriors one game to the twenty also I think Bill is only league coach in NFL because. All star lineup had agreed team mobility will take average players. The move. The middle of the system and Andy on the flight. He just eight Anthony, Josh punches and just counters and all the song and you could sell that he were taught her and the and the camp. And that's what showed that showed on playing. That's how he won. All right. Adrian, thanks for the call. Thanks for listening to all the topics here on the Stephen a Smith show, hosted by Wilkie today and all them. Here's what I would have to say to you Adrian. You're right about Bill Belichick. There's one league coach in the NFL and his name is Bill Belichick. I agree with you about Steph curry, the record of the warriors pretty fascinating and the win last night in a down game for steps because his presence does make everybody else around him better. And it isn't it fascinating? How role players all of a sudden they're shooting percentages? Their moments step up. When Steph is at the helm that being said, you are still going to need to win this NBA finals. I'm gonna put it on right now to win the NBA finals. They're going to need one of two things. More from Steph curry. Takeover moments from Steph curry can't be denied moments. Steph curry, or they're gonna need Kevin Durant back, one of the other found the on your last point Adrian, Andrew use your new heavyweight champion as responded to the normal host of this show. Stephen a Smith on Twitter, Andy REEs put out and I quote, Stephen a Smith. I encourage you to do your research before insulting my career. I know boxing is inter lane. But if you're going to talk about boxing, please study and know what you're saying. Andrew is defending not necessarily his body and his shape, but his body of work, and who he's been up to this point in his career Steph, require who's the MVP AJ in Virginia. What's up AJ? You're on the Stephen Smith show with Wilkin I'm here to talk about with the MVP fasting both guys playing spectacular. Steph Curry's action. My favorite player not that you have to advocate, why he's on a new team and a new organization new coach. And he's playing amazing. He plays on both sides of the ball. He's plan through injury. He's got an entire country right now. So excited about being in the playoffs and playing but above off that you have to look at the road, he's had to overcome to get where he's at right now at the rapid somehow by the grace of God, be the warriors his final ending. Their dynasty, prematurely, people are gonna remember this finals forever. But more importantly, they're gonna forget the road. He had overcome to get to the final back the, the beat the Sixers and seven with that shot. And then beat the bucks after overcoming an oath to deficit against the buck, and then beating arguably the greatest thing ever assembled. I mean you couldn't really write me a better sports hero story than that. And I think that, that definitely is on the edge. All right. Thanks for the call AJ. I think that both both stars have been something less than spectacular. As you describe it, Jay. And I'm telling you, man. To win the finals, one or the other is going to have to do more. They're going to have to take over, who's the MVP so far Steph required. Got one vote for each. I've got one vote for Steph and one vote for qui-. Let's break the tie. Let's go with Amman in New York. What's up on your on the Stephen a Smith show with will Cain? Between between stuff in coli in my opinion, it's going to be stuff, Quine stuff both everything the same amount of points per game at twenty point five but quite shooting below forty percent from the field. I can't give it to a guy she in that bad more than steps points and assists. If you look at the attention, he draws from the defense, constantly, when he's sitting screams rappers defenses collapsing and it leads to a number of easy way for the warriors. So in my opinion, it's going to be stuff the other guy to your point who maybe should have taken. This conversation is dream on green, you had a triple double in game one he missed a triple double by an assistant game in excuse me editor game to Mr. by assistant game one and energy both on offense and defense has just been creating propelling this team fort. So he's another guy on the conversation. I think all right. Great column on appreciate it. Thanks so much. That's a good one Durham. But I think for the tie for the moment between Steph and Kurai I agree. It is Steph because of his impact on the other players around him. Still gonna have to be more. All right. Is this series a backbreaker? Is that game a psychological break for the raptors did they fumble away, such a perfect opportunity? One handed up on a silver platter that by fumbling it away. They're broken or the rapper still live. That's coming up next on Stephen a Smith show with willqejon on ESPN radio gentlemen. Stop lounging around be active take your girl out. Go to game concert. 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Of a championship if all fall short of an NBA finals last night, will be the moment, they look back on and say that where we lost the championship. Stephen Smith show on ESPN radio and the pin have Wilkin filling in for Stephen today. You can only get me three to six eastern on ESPN radio, the ESPN app, siriusxm channel eighty and on ESPN news. Now. Don't get me wrong. My only series is over. No. I don't think this is over by a long shot. In fact, I think I know exactly what is going to take from the warriors to win the series. But I think the raptors fumbled a golden opportunity added up like math one two three four five at this up. No, Kevin Durant best player in basketball missing one added up. Steph curry, one of the top five basketball players on the planet is under the weather needs an IV within the first ten minutes of the game goes over six gotta get some gel packs gotta get some energy number three Klay. Thompson gets hurt. Can't finish off the last eight minutes of the game number four Kvant looney. And I know I just said, Katie clay Steph negative what you doing. Wilco von Lee. What even need to mention nobo-? Louise been good when he's been important. No Kvant looney Igwe dolla shooting on one leg and hitting on one leg. But fighting that one leg boogie cousins gassed from eight minutes to twenty eight minutes Steve Kerr was only going to be twenty keep adding it up fourth quarter. No points from Steph. No points from clay keep adding it up. Warriors scattered man. They're throwing the ball over the place. It's over just pick six is all the way down to the game clinching three, which looks like it could be interested by Leonard. The panic pass from Steph curry Livingston steps in grabs. It dumps it off at Goodall. At this five and a half minutes of scoreless nece from the warriors in how does that not add up to a win for the raptors? Isn't that back-breaking isn't that psyche? Breaking. Paul, Pierce says this one right here could break their psyche. That's not who the raptors are. That's not who they've been. No wasn't a Fred van Wli of the raptors you guys and think this is gonna be sweet. I don't know like what you guys start this series. It was gonna look like we went into expect in a dogfight. And yes, we want game one. I think everybody else outside of our locker room was a lot more excited than we were. And we understand you know what this team's bring brings and what type of effort is going to take to, to beat these guys. So we know we're doing here and obviously, we would like to play better. We would like to have a chance to win at the end. Like we did we fought back and we know that going towards game three we got to play a lot better is going to be even harder on the road but we're capable. And, you know, we know we bring to the table. So Johnny regroup flush it and get back to remember the raptors team down to one of the Sixers. Remember, this is the raptors team down two to the buck if they're playing a warriors team with no looney. Maybe no clay. No. K. D. He's rappers far from done. I think by ended this thing, the warriors are going to need Kevin. Durant real quickly to finish this off on the on the Stephen Smith show. Let me go with our money North Carolina. What's up our money you're on the Stephen a Smith show with will Cain what's going on? We'll on thing I wanted to point out just like you reject saying death is gonna play a big part in game three. I think that's why the Toronto to want to wrap is going to win game three. I like they're even going into game through their feeling better than they weren't going to game two with all those injuries boogies plan back to back games like that, like playing twenty six or twenty eight minutes over he was playing I that's representing. I hear you man Armani. This is what I asked earlier, did the warriors win the battle Belu's the war. 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EMERGENCY PODCAST: Anthony Joshua upset by Usyk

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EMERGENCY PODCAST: Anthony Joshua upset by Usyk

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Here's chris mannix all right. It's emergency podcast time. We have an upset in boxing. Anthony joshua for the second time in three years is no longer the heavyweight champion joshua losing a unanimous decision to alexander usig lucic just three fights into his heavyweight career is now the unified heavyweight champion. It talk about that bringing my friend. Sergio more broadcast partner over at zone. Former junior middleweight champion. Sergio we just watched this moments ago. What's your reaction. Dusek beaten joshua. Well listen When when you ask my prediction. I said it was going to be a fight that went the distance. It goes the distance. I told you that if this was a pre andy. Rees anthony josh. Well i would pick who sick to win the site but you gotta hand it sick. He controlled the fight from beginning to end. I thought he won. This fight convincingly. I mean it was a close fight. If you had the rounds up and josh did have this moments he was able to find his way in there in the mid round but who sick hands down you gotta give it some the game. Was there the potshots. He had a face a little bit of adversity to with a body shots. Josh find a home with a lepto to the body All in all. I mean who's going to opponents hometown. Not only not only josh where he goes into other people's hometown and takes the championship of which from the champion shutting down the crowd. The going against the promoter the judges that applaud that hard that is to do just all around impressive impressive performance. Yeah you knew it was going to be comfortable. He's been a road warrior for his entire career. Whether it's going to latvia to fight prediced going to the uk to fi- bell you and then you saw now in front of sixty five thousand. Pro joshua fans in tottenham. He didn't look rattled at all. And i did pick sergio joshua to win by knockout. Or things. I said this week was got to find a way to win those early rounds and make joshua uncomfortable. And that's exactly what he did. I mean he came out. In those first three rounds. He was bouncing on his toes. He was moving around the ring. He was landing the cleaner shots. And what i saw from. Joshua was a complete lack of adjustments. I mean he just seemed content to sort of stand there in the middle of the ring and just sort of turn with ucla like he wasn't using his size advantage to pressure wasn't using his longer jab to ours long. jabber should say to to land. Kind of setup shots. He was just kinda standing there. In the middle of the ring and throwing kind of pawing jab out there. At times. I was we get three rounds in sergio. What i'm thinking to myself like josh was going to have to win by knockout. There's no ways winning. Despite by decision. I kind of saw that myself with the thing about footwork. Is that whenever. You have brilliant footwork. I mean who said look like a ballerina ukrainian ballerina. They're throwing punches. He wasn't allowing the bigger man to set a steep. I know you hear that often but to do it for thirty six minutes and doing it laterally going to the left and to the right and doing it from a southpaw stance which naturally as it advances. And josh wasn't face. Many southpaws poses a professional. He was able to capitalize on on on his advantage. The entire fight with focused. That's the thing. These re. Ukrainian fighters in these eastern european fighters have not only olympic background but the focus the focus to do it the entire fight. You could be winning eight rounds and get knocked out by a big puncher like that fighters like lohman chanko become from that school and and this is impressive. Man this is a mental mental warfare as much as it was somewhat physical but he took the physical away from this fight. He took the the heavyweight away from this championship fight. Focus on joshua for a second. What disappointed you the most about the way he fought. You know there was a little doubt and josh was ice in with the fight realizing that you know what. I can't touch this guy because he didn't you utilize the jabs. The only way joshua was gonna win. Look we only. We only pick josh with a win by knockout but there was there was times where you could have not knocked them how they look like and hurt him because there was that andy ruiz going to head i can you seen it pop up a little bit in in in joshua's is but i would like to have seen him Go to the body earlier. He did it midway but it wasn't enough so body earlier not focus on the head of usage just focus on touching them to the chest aiding the shoulders and banging away the body. He was able to do that. Caught a second win but before he caught it i think could have actually done some a bill some around and more momentum because it was was a little windy going into the eighth ninth or into the championship rounds. But you did it. You know one of the things i said at the top was of course this is not the first time joshua has lost not the first time he has dropped his titles. The time happened to gets released in two thousand nineteen that loss. Sergio was shocking. But i think this loss was a lot worse like you can look at the loss. Even in the aftermath. And say all right. He got caught by an equilibrium changing punch to the temple. That screwed him up for the rest of the fight. There was no equilibrium changing punch music. This was just a beating from a guy who is an accomplished boxer. I mean this. It wasn't upset but probably shouldn't be considered that big of an upset because music is like joshua and olympic gold medalist at cruiserweight. He fought everybody. He went through the best of the best in the world. Boxing super series. He took on tony. You this guy's the real deal and while he didn't land that highlight reel shot against joshua. He beat him up. And i would say this in your the fighter you can tell me if you agree but i think a loss like this is harder for joshua to bounce back from. Because he wasn't just hit with one shot that changed the course of the fight. He was hit with a lot of shots. That completely changed the fight. And there's really. I mean there's no reason to believe in my mind that things will be a lot different in the rematch. No no i. I gotta say. I disagreed that the first loss is always the hardest and it's always. The hardest kazoo came by knockout. If he would've lost andy rules by decision and he could recruit fine but he got embarrassed in the biggest stage at msg on a fight that he was supposed to win. Any was a twelve to one favourite or to whatever was but that was a hard loss. This one is going to be mentally order to come back from the first one was physical. This was going to be mental and the older you get as a fighter. You start to you know. Obviously your body starts breaking down mentally if if if the hunger is not fair to to regroup and focus on what went wrong especially when you got pretty much routed you got you got a boxing beaten. Up for twelve rounds. It wasn't a physical beatdown. It was mental warfare at his absolute best. Each who sick just never let the heavyweight champ. Fight like a heavyweight champion. That's about what that does to the mentality of the heavyweight champion of the world man. This is exact same thing that we saw with tyson. Therion deontay wilder. I mean these are mental things that wilder and joshua are going to have to come back to the table and say. Do i really want this. But it's all mental. That's all heart look is the older fighter. He's thirty four years old but as he said. Afterwards you have not seen the best of alexander usig at heavyweight. I mean you give him another training camp and you give him the benefit of getting twelve rounds in with joshua tasting the power tasting the speed. Six going to be better. I mean we're not gonna get a situation like we had in saudi arabia. Sergio eighty eight his way up to two hundred eighty three pounds and wasn't any kind of shape to fight joshua in the rematch. Oozing is going to come in a better version of himself in this next fight. And that's what makes me more leery to think that joshua can find a way to avenge this loss. You know it was going to be a close fight for andy. Release and josh. Josh was gonna come back and do well. I didn't think is in a box for twelve. Runs away did so impressed. So i don't put nothing pass joshua but you're right. I don't see him. i'll boxing sick. The only way he beat those tickets by knockout and we didn't we didn't get a taste of that. We didn't get a taste of a knockdown or being badly hurt or getting winded and not having that other gear. He passed every test. Those significant would be felt like he was getting a little bit fatigue physically. He found another gear. He was able to not get it by the big shots not let the momentum ship who dominated. I just don't see joshua coming back in and regaining the championship. Not only is it one of the hardest things to do in boxing time and three time. Division champions are rare but when it does happen it's historic and it's very special and will realize why. I don't think josh able do it. Not against well which brings us to a topic. You and i often disagree on after the loss. Andy reid is a lot of people. Were calling for rob mccracken's head after that fight saying joshua needs the shake up his team you are to your credit consistently have said that you don't make change your team stick with the guy if you've got a good guy stick with him. Do you still feel that. Way about rob mccracken. Anthony joshua you know. I was listening. Robin mccracken's instructions in the corner and he was giving them the right instructions. I just think mentally Joshua was kind of going in and out. And we've seen that before. He kinda gets lost in the corner any. I don't really think he he. He absorbs what he should be absorbed. But if it's gonna help immensely yes bring someone else in yes. I'm i'm gonna go out and say this because like you said josh was already in. His thirties is a second time. He loses badly on the big stage. Maybe it's time to bring in someone else. Just like wilder wilder did but you know you can go buy a different way. Bringing someone finely tuned that despite show you how to find the end the jab fight taller go to the body bringing a strategy now just follow around a fighter like lucic so yeah this time around. I said bringing someone. Yeah i just didn't like the strategy at all. I mean one of the things. I saw with dirt zora against ucla. Was that in the first few rounds. The pressure of jessore got to uci to. Sora just couldn't maintain that pressure because in his late thirties and doesn't have the conditioning for that. I never outside of like some spurts in like the fourth fifth. And sixth rounds. I didn't see joshua applying pressure. I didn't see him. Try to marshall those physical tools in the ring. So i think you gotta go in a different direction. Wladimir klitschko and lennox lewis could be horribly boring but they were enormously successful because they were trained by emanuel steward. Who groomed them to use those physical gifts. Joshua is six foot six. He should be using his physical tools as a weapon against smaller fighters. So if if we're at this point of careers rob mccracken anthony joshua and. They're not doing that. I think it's time you'll is no longer with us but maybe somebody else i mean you mentioned trainer changes ben. Davidson is a great trainer. But you can't argue the success that sugarhill has had with tyson fury sugarhill brought more offense oriented approach to tyson fury and that helped fury pick up the knockout against deontay wilder. I'm not saying. Make a change for the sake of mega change but if you identify somebody out there that can bring something else out of you. That hasn't been there yet. I think you gotta do it. I think we're at that point. Sergio where it's we're just going back to rob and going back to. I'm not even just talking about the trainer. Like you gonna change everything man like you gotta get out of the uk for your training camp. You gotta make yourself a little bit more uncomfortable. Go to the. Us go to big bear colorado springs. Just do something a little bit different to try to get some of that fire back that you had early in your career rocky going to russia right. I mean basically. But you've seen that though two guys i mean i don't know if you change your training camp location but i see it all the time in boxing guys you know bounce around to different places and have success because of it whatever whatever works man. Whatever we're the fighter. Anthony joshua doesn't seem like the mentally mentally unfit guide. I'd get that starts blaming everybody so you got to like the fortitude. He has there. So i think you'll just want to regroup with the exact same people maybe get out of the uk but you know it was a game plan and a strategy. That went wrong with them. And here's the thing about your sewer. You brought up your sore. You know what you did that he had success at joshua did not do. He used his physical tools. He got he got in the inside made it rough and started using his body on a little bit judgment in. Do that whenever you're the bigger man in your someway nick lynch you gotta get the man and you gotta mantle. You got to put your weight on them. You've got a minimum feel your your strength your size. Let the referee warned you about that. Not so wrestle. Not simply owner not to ben but sue late. Leads already absorbed that so. That's one thing just we didn't do that. You're sore had success. Doing if he looks back. You can look at the job more jobs or by shot more wrestling more clinching. More getting them against the ropes making it a dirty fight so he's But he can go back to the drawing-board look once he looks at this fight and it's not even it's not even dirty to lean on a guy it's just kinda using a tactic tyson. Fury does that all the time. I what he did that to steve cunningham. He did it. A deontay wilder even leaned on him and sap the strength of wilders legs forcing him to hold up that three hundred pound frame whatever he is. That's a tactic. yeah right. Anthony joshua needs to utilize by the way speaking of fury. What do you think tyson. Fury was thinking as he watched alexander basic dismantle. Anthony joshua i think he was thinking. Imagine what i would imagine. I'm thinking i think he's right counting money they'll go there goes ten million. Twenty million. dairy doesn't fight for money. He's he's the type of guy everybody plays for money when it comes to the gypsy king you know damn well he fights for pride he fights for that he i mean he comes from that from that background so he knows that it's ego and pride and and proving that he's the best. He's done that. But i think more it's about what. What can fury syria. Some excellent boxing skills to and he's way bigger and longer and stronger than new sick. So that's what i think. He was thinking if opec a small version. We can do this. Imagine what i would do. Dobbin fury with his boxing skills. You'd make a huge favourite against joshua based on on what what we saw there but man he's gotta be now fury if he beats deontay wilder which is a tough fight. We shouldn't discount deontay while the chances now he's maybe looking at a billion white fight and crossing his fingers and hopes that joshua wins rematch. I don't know man. That's that flight could be another one that winds up in the wastebasket of boxing fights. That never actually happen. Which we're favorites your favorite wastebasket. By the way. I i hate everything about that last. Thought on joshua. Like eddie hearn's said afterwards they're going to go into an immediate rematch. They're going to check on the eye of joshua harnett some concerns about. Maybe an eye socket potentially being broken. Do you see him recovering from this fight physically. Absolutely i think physically the the warriors gonna wanna come back to the ring as fast as possible you know. I'd like to say the bigger the eagle the bigger the fire a bigger chip on the shoulder. They're gonna have so you know josh. We're gonna wanna come back asap. And if he's cleared. I think the more time that passes the worst is going to be for him not only because of his age but because of the criticism and and everything else that's going to get into his head so i think the best way to go here is to get back in there and get some media rematch asap. Yeah mean six months eight months whenever it is get back out there. I'd also advise to in this kind of goes back to what we were talking about it. It's one thing to it's great to have a crowd behind you. But i do think joshua needs to do something different. I mean he had such success against louise in saudi arabia. Completely far-flung location for maybe he's got to go back to new york city or go to los angeles. Las vegas somewhere and and do something a little. You'll have the good. I'm glad you touched on this. I mean and look looking back. We all wrapped twenty twenty vision but joshua came out really relaxed more relaxing than he normally does a slowing down. Israeli planes to the crowd is his stopping to giving high fives to people in smiling. Look like stopping for pictures. This is really really comfortable. Anthony josh ruin. I'm used to the smiling. Charismatic advocates was a little bit too confident overconfident. I think I think give him another chance in and out of that atmosphere like you said instead of seventy thousand seventeen thousand and let them take care of business. But i think he was a. He played the show a little bit too much coming out into that arena. Where where do you now. Who sick on your pound for pound list. I mean he's gotta be top three after this win being undisputed cruiserweight champion beating tony bellevue. Kamilo i think is the class of it but when you look and you and i think the same way on this the strength of the resume outside of kamilo not too many guys have in fact i would argue maybe spence has it but i mean he's got a great resume so i think you've got to put him in the top three to put them top top five. I'll say four. Because i mean what can nilo crawford spence and you have to look at who sick but who said can spencer there man. I mean this was a career changing pound for pound performance by chicken. I think everyone hands down has to agree with that. No question sergio. Good stuff man. We will talk on zone this week. Check out our show jabs. You can see that twice a week over on zone. Thanks for doing this bud. If a natural disaster comes knocking how prepared is your family. You can't just close the door on earthquakes floods or hurricanes and hope they go away. That's why it's important to make a plan now. Ready dot gov slash plan has the tools and tips. 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Hour 1: Road Warriors

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Hour 1: Road Warriors

"Everybody wants to I take here at Scotiabank of warriors even things we have a very. And a whole lot to talk about today, max. He with a K O shot where with Steph curry with the game on the line. I got plenty to say about that. Steven. See what I mean, Evy released, Anthony Joshua have mercy clus Thomas. Jalen rose. Taking over this NBA, the warriors. You know what you heard. Let. Doesn't define a series. They got raised it can be confident, I afford, not first of all. What's up? Seven series is. What? I have been greenest game. Yesterday's outcomes. Hi dies. I stephen. Gauley on how we doing extra chair. Mt. Chair. Make it a grant. Now, I gotta say, I think that entrances to impress Molly. He's still trying to marry me one. Yeah. By the way, did you see this man? Crowd surfing, such a good time. It's cultural but it was a good time. What you mean say what we get the show started today. I just feel compelled to bring something up. This is the loudest. I've heard Toronto fans in the last twelve hours. I mean, the streets were very very quiet last night. I mean today this morning, they were very, very quiet as well. I mean, I was expecting everybody to just, you know, oh Canada, I was expecting a lot of stuff. But it was very quiet. I wonder why. Be road game. Road. So the warriors guys went an eighty no run in the third Klay. Thompson scored twenty five points before leaving with a hamstring injury. He came up with a monster. Three to seal the deal. Late now the series. Obviously ships to the bay. One, one max was this game more about what the warriors did or what the raptors didn't do actually about what the raptors didn't do, but, you know, with respect is mama. Calm clam, McCollum clay, clay can get hotter, Klay Thompson capable of getting hotter than anyone who ever lived, and it's just my opinion. He wants had blows at twenty six points in a quarter, and that same year had a quarter much better thirty seventy seven but he had twenty six that was like third all time in a quarter, and then dropped thirty seven eight oh. Cool water. So this can just go off. But this is more about what the raptors didn't do namely hit shots. And one of the reasons they weren't hitting shots. If you look at Kawai he tried to impose his will on the game credit Igwe dollar who I thought was out for the series, by the way, the way he came down on his leg after game one I'm like, well, Igwe dollar at least is compromised. If not if. Not more than that. And the defense he played on Kawai. He deserves credit but Kawai was playing bully ball. He could try to get to the free throw line, but he had no shooters touch. He shoots lines Rives anyway. That's the kind of shoddy has, but he gets the shooter's touch. He has a true shot even so. And without his legs under him his clearly hobbled that shot wasn't falling and what I say, Kawai in this series is going to need a reliable crime partner, or if someone like Siaka can't do it every day, then one of the many needs to step up on any given night. And no one did that for Kawai either last night. So really that was rafters. Had plenty of looks they weren't hitting shots. I give go to stay words, a lot of credit. It was all about their championship DNA. And when they went into the locker room at halftime, the Golden State Warriors in the third quarter might as well be the thirty first NBA team, something literally happens to them in the locker room where they understood a level of urgency peach at our field goals in the second half were assisted. That means you're giving up. Good shots to get great shots. Your sacrifice for one another for some strange reason, the Toronto Raptors could not stop the bleeding, and you talked about Klay slowing down kuwa-. He didn't slowdowns Kawai because coop still had a big gang. Iggy. I mean, would you say click but the problem was when the Toronto Raptors felt like the game was slipping away for new. They got a little bit tight. They were short arm and their shots. They weren't getting stops when they needed to, and you gotta give, again, that goes stay words, a lot of credit. Now, the, the other thing that stands out to me is the word super team. We go. Give the go stay worries a lot of credit for starring DeMarcus cousins, like really a four time all star there, starting all star game this time last year. The average twenty six points, thirteen boards, we've out to celebrate his eleven points is that what we doing? That's what happens when you're part of a super team, you don't have to necessarily be very explosive Quinn cook made three threes. That were huge down that we know about the big shot that he. Made late but he was open for reason, and Nick nurse was trying to get his team to follow great mind green late. That's something that you got to communicate with them before that situation. You've gotta talk about that in the huddle or whatever. But late in the second half. They're playing a box one or Steph curry. It was like a high school defense, while we're going to celebrate the winner the Golden State Warriors, and rightfully so let's not sleep on this. They were scoreless the last five min, oh, we're going to get to. Okay. They didn't make shot at two. Andre dollar made that final three and guess while he was opening for reason, okay? They were living with that in a fortunately for the raptors he stepped up being and he knocked down the big time shot. It was Klay in the first, it will step in the second. It was boogie playing his moments. But Draymond green with the Swiss army knife in the different. He was grabbing board getting blocks getting still getting assists. He provided a level of toughness throughout the game that could not be matched by the Toronto Raptors. Y'all. I just wanna make sure for now going. Well, let me ask you a question. Yes. Okay. When raptors down to the Milwaukee Bucks. What did you say about the series? I'm out. I'm out. Actually, actually that was a different question. I asked you a question and you gave me a question, but of different another day because Jalen, we go back brother than we go back, many years. We were in the gym together yesterday. Okay. For both of us needed. No question about his my deal. For you to sit up. There say Stephen got us on this one. That's okay. It's okay deal moments where I just have those moments I tried to tell you peaks, tried to tell. That what you're going back to Oakland. One, one. Because this is the situation, the Toronto Raptors periodically not consistently periodically as you said, short on shots, they struggle and the reality of the situation is, is that when you have difficulty in putting the ball in a hole. The Golden State Warriors are going to get you what happens. You scored a last two points that has really a twenty run. But we understand the second have eighteen overrun or whatever this is why we're going to celebrate boogie cousins and eleven ten and six which somebody to average twenty and twelve. This is why we're going to celebrate Levin ten and six because boogie cousins only played eight minutes in game one because he had missed the freebies fourteen playoff game because we didn't know whether or not he would be able to give you anything this theories. So for him to go out the in the transition from missing fourteen straight games to only play eight plus minutes in game once and then coming out and giving you nearly twenty eight minutes. Okay, because you had to go. We do. Is there word I said word? Okay. Here's the deal. You got boogie cousins would nearly Twenty-eight minutes you got you needed him because, solid, they buckled, what did it? So because all the bucket do yesterday to nothing close to nothing. That was a big big problem. You know what this witching Kuwata doubling up Kawass even though he had a big game only south forty percent for the field. It's kinda problematic. We talk about the assist to go to stay wards assisted on every basket in the second half. Twenty two baskets, twenty two this, okay, why was that a big deal because ten watts baskets, one fisted? So you see a one on one basketball, you're seeing ice. Oh, basketball, some degrees. You're playing right into the Golden State Warriors hands. And if Klay Thompson hadn't gone down with the hamstring, I'm here to tell you, I don't think they would have went school without a field goal. Those last five minutes, so now what you have at this where the Toronto Raptors at one or two regular season games. They have one game one. We actually have people reminding us you not go to stay. It worries having beaten the raptors this, so they come out. They're shut all of that down. They're about to go back to the oracle. And now we're looking at okay. Cousins is gonna play is clay going to be ready. That's a question more. We thought eagle dollars going. He's not. And by the way by winning. It's still potentially buys you more time if you don't wanna bring Kevin Durant, 'cause they were talking about how Kevin Durant might be back the game four. Now you're talking about gay five game six possibly bond him. More Tom what overstated for Golden State? They're very tough. They do have championship medal. That way. I want to mention a few talk touch on a few things. You guys brought up number one. Here's something about boogie cousins much-maligned boogie cousins, because some basketball types looking like well can he play for a winner? That's what he's showing right now sky, high basketball IQ s pinpoint passer out of the post can really score and is a team player. He played excellent defense last night. And he's an underrated defender. That's one to Steph look, there's no way. Round. This guy's five minutes go by the end of the game you don't score a point. And you only score accidentally because you almost turn the ball over, but it winds up with Iggy who hits the shot, and I've always said, one guy on this team. Hit the open shot fate of the universe on the line. And he's like the worst shooter in the starting five dollar dollar to me is the ice water in his veins. But Steph, we have to ask, why is it that the conductor of the greatest half court orchestra of all time, four minutes. Twenty two seconds game seven against the cats couldn't score single point turn the ball over five minutes against the raptors did the same thing almost turn the poll over like that. Can't escape our attention. That's the fact about stuff. I know he gets a lot of attention. The great ones always doing. He's among the greats he got to do better than that. You can't go five minutes without a score. You understand the rafters. They let them go on twenty four one run. And Phil were within one score game at the end. One score game at the end. This is what I love about sport. Because we're going to overreact any either way coop. Linder had an opportunity still that ball late. And if he's still that ball in the game goes into overtime, we don't know what's going to happen. If andrea. Agudelo mrS Schott, the Toronto, Raptors still have a chain of what if Jordan had pushed by runner? They wouldn't wanna championship right? Correct. But here's here's here's here's the difference, everybody good overreact. But we all predicted it was going to be a long series, which means they're going to be inflows, which means you're gonna win. On the other teams flow floor. Here's what the Toronto Raptors have to stop doing picking roles with kuwa- have the ball with Markelle soul. Stop doing that. Okay. Because what ends up happening? If all you do is create a cluster where he can't have room to operate and Martin. The soul was not playing well in the second game you got allow PASCAL Jakko to be screener. So now, when they double kuwa- you give it to PASCAL in the middle of the floor like they're doing with Draymond on the other saying that pass cout went from thirty two game one. The twelve in game two because of that I'm saying that they paid attention to a more. Here's what is happening. When you go into a series you say, we're gonna double, we're gonna trip, but we're gonna slow down, Coa and over exaggerated helping own him. And then all of a sudden PASCAL had lanes to operate. He had driving lanes, and also they got on a transition more. The Toronto back in transition to well, here's what happened right game one rap the Shaath fifty percent. It's hard to get. It's hard to consistently get stopped if you're the Golden State Warriors when they're shooting fifty percent. Plus, they're getting transitioned buckets. This is what they looked out. Early fan, Jan hold that thought. Obviously, you're on NBA countdown last night with NBA champion. Paul Pierce, who was speaking his truth, can we please play the sound? This was a must win for Toronto Raptors because these guys they didn't take this game serious enough. I feel my because when you're at home, and you come out in the third quarter you allow it eighteen o run or your home floor, which should never happen that sells me that you didn't want about enough. Paul said they didn't want about enough to agree with all of my brother. I love him, but he can't be an extremist and I don't want to say this Rana raptors didn't want it bad enough. How about the fact that the goal stay were just snatched it from. We have never seen a twenty zero run in the history of the merge, a final that, whatever we saw last night, it has never happened. And I want to give the warriors credit that not necessarily acting like the raptors they want it now when a team is on the run, you gotta store your body in the somebody get to the free throw line. If unique nurture gotta continue to jumble, the lineup he called two timeouts but again this goal they warriors team has a championship DNA and were firing all cylinders he made it three cook made at threes. They were. You gotta give them credit because this is the thing. It would be one thing when we expect a win. We expect an explosion from a Steph curry or Klay Thompson Quinn, cook come off the bench hit two key threes in the second half, I sort the markets cousins play defense and grab every pivotal rebound. And oh, by the way, head of pretty much all of six assists in the second half. I saw McKinney. Only scored one bucket. But that was a big pull up in the lane. We'll bit float in the lane you need it that from him. Once ego dollar head going out for a minute or two. You saw equal dollar deal. These daily did three baths this for the game. But, you know, to what I'm really, really counted you needed the most he delivered the goods all trying to say is when you look at that they played eleven guys they don't do that. But they played. And this, why gotta give Steve Kerr credit because guess what that's him and his staff, those brothers were ready and they almost never play and they were ready. Gotta give credit. Credit is doing that regard. I don't mean to over simplify this, because the Xs and os matter it, sometimes we reduced this to, like, will. To win because not everyone's Jalen rose, and can Stevie Xs and os, the same way. So, so forgive me if I'm doing that here. I recognized the warriors transition d was a huge improvement from game one and that's something Steve Kerr talked about, and he's a great coach and he's going to go down in history as a great coach. And you saw that their transition defense, obviously improved. So it's not really that it's not about the Xs and os to me, but let me make a comparison to the fight game. We have our own Tim, Bradley calling fights, Tim, Bradley was very good fighter. He had b- plus stuff, but yet results because a lot of fighters thought they wanted to win, then they fought Tim, Bradley, and they're like, oh, that's what it is to really need to win. I thought I wanted to win. They look, we know Toronto's capable of beating back that third quarter rush from the warriors because they did it and game one. They answered the call every time in game one, but that level of intensity needs to be matched every single quarter every single game. That's what champions, do the raptors haven't been that yet. So they didn't answer the. And so I'm not taking credit away from the warriors. I'm saying I agree with Paul. If you thought you needed to win this game ties you didn't play his his way. You're, you're -nology goes Bitta Ryan, my estimating, when you bring up a Tim, Bradley okay, talk about B, plus level people level, but a results because he had the heart of a champion, etcetera, etcetera will guess what if you going up against the a+ talent, that's got the heart of the Chan. I'll tell you what I'm saying this what you're talking about the Toronto Raptors and what minute what moment they were in, and how they needed to confiscate that snatch it will guess what the warriors felt the same level of urgency, except there were three time champion feeling that level of our action to manage that, like, I'm not a fool if Kevin Durant was playing, and Klay Thompson was healthy and boogie was held dollar was not. I would've picked the Golden State Warriors to win the series right? However, going into the series Dole's. The circumstances. And if you're a rafters fan, here's what you have to look forward to Klay. Thompson is hobble. I don't believe Kevin Durant is gonna play a game three. Let's see the hardest cousin. Let's the DeMarcus cousins body response to go from playing green. It's two twenty eight minutes. These are all things that you're focusing on the warriors. What I'm saying is from from Paul's point to Paul's point from the raptors point of view Kyle Lowry. You write the script like these players write the script right now. This stuff is not etched in stone ahead of time. Kyle Larry do you want to be known as an excellent regular season player who couldn't get it done in the playoffs? Or can you be Kawais crime partner? Right now. CRM are you a guy who are gonna look back at this season, and say, both only Siachen was a couple years older or can you grab the bull by the horns right now? We know you're hurt. You're doing your best, but can you get some of those shots to fall on? This is the only reason I disagree will pour Pierce getting. Back to him because he is the for this for this subject is that there are teams that want it so badly. And that's why they're tight. There's not always that you didn't want it bad enough. You could want it so badly that you get tight, and I think there's no way that, that the Rondo does didn't want it bad. That's anything they wanted to badly, but they don't have the experience to exit the level of poison composure to be successful in that regard, a couple of things that the raptors the people can't ignore that they basically shut down Steph curry entire first half. You got going late in the second court second court also, we're going to talk about the third quarter warriors. How about the end of the fourth quarter wrap does out who went on a run. That's what lets me know that they did want it. They didn't get down team. And all of a sudden, get down twenty in the goes, they words, let me go to you because when I used to watch you play, particularly when you were in college, so sorry to go so far back, but it's necessary in this. Regular situation when I watched you play one of the things that I always loved about you is that you always seemed even keel there was never any never looked like damn the moment is getting so big that somebody's antsy Jalen is ANC so other people look live bit antsy. But now you so what I'm saying that are pay attention to stuff like that. And I'll look at the Toronto Raptors as this series, Wayne is going to get tighter and tighter and tighter into me, the only person on the raptors that I can trust is not going to be phased by the pressure is everybody else's a question. Mark is I'm not saying they can't do it. Please got faith family that truly do I got faith to somebody's gotten the Lowery's of the world faith that if they're lobby does a foul up who knows. But I got I look at Gaza, I'm saying the only person that I see that who's poise. I'm comfortable with its fifteen in the free throw line western for both of you. I go back to ninety four when the rockets beat the Knicks in the championship right in the finals, and you could see certain things on that team. You didn't know Casella hadn't been there before. Right. Robert ory hadn't been there before, but you could you could smell it on him. Like, ooh, that kids got it. Do you guys get the feeling that Seok them or van Vliet? Maybe where someone like that. A younger player sending player is that type of guy that you're talking Wli, I think flee and Norman Powell our guy a goal for it. How? Bissett. Daddy, Green's been there Bacchus been there, but on the other side, look at a guy like Andrea dollar, who's been a finals MVP. He's basically performer like a modern day, Robert ory. Here's a guy that never leaves the team in points rebounds or assist, but all of a sudden becomes an important factor. What they do late in games. Any knock down the big shot late in the game. And again, they were playing a boxing one Steph curry. He did a great job of stepping up knocking down the dollar plays. Great defense, and they'll give you eleven points and every one of those eleven points kill. But also, you mentioned something called lower. You can't have him follow out with five minutes to go in the game. Kowal was disclosed to get in the steel, which would swung the game. So if you wrap this, it's not all doom and gloom. We all predicted this is going to be a long series and I still feel like as long as I don't see Kevin Durant healthy own the court, and what after seven hour. What else can the ring? I'm worried about clay's health. I'm worried about how causes what react. But if causes us, healthy Claes, healthy, equal dollars. Healthy warriors, is six. Speaking of someone that has no inhibitions as man to my right. Can we please show some video? Are you thinking I realize that you're six eight, so you're not the average crowd, sir? It was a great time because being a Detroit native getting the chance to spend a lot of time in Toronto play three years here. I've got so much love for the fans. This organization's been around for twenty five years. Please. For the moment had a really good time. That's route surfer there yet people straining two hundred thirty five pounds a little bit worried. All right. When tracking the domestic dust bunny, you come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to Las soaks don't move to sudden, although scurry off what's fascinating about the dust bunny is that although they're not actually sensu creatures when they have not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them. You should switch because yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer. Oh, no. It's the dust bunnies, only natural predator on the long dust on his run along. Good Monday morning with your sports center right now. I'm Phil Murphy, the warriors are growing entirely too familiar with two things double digit deficits and MRI machines. The latter will be introduced to Klay Thompson, Kevin Mooney today. Looney he suffered a chest and Peru's after crashing into Colli Leonard late in the first quarter of game to leaving the game for good in the second quarter as for Thomson he landed awkwardly early in the fourth obligated to bench shortly thereafter with a hamstring injury. Steve Kerr, you've got an update on dividing clay. Clay said he'll be fine. But, you know clay could. Be half dead. And he'd say. He's we'll see. You know, he pulled his hamstring. He thinks it's minor. So I don't know what that means going forward. Loon. Something with the shoulder. So we'll see. The same. We'll see approach goes for Kevin Durant two-time finals MVP still hasn't been cleared to practice as he recovers from a calf strain. But he was in the tunnel last night in Toronto. Cheers teammates off the floor and remind Drake series. This time put a little boat. That's it for your sports center right now. Here's more I take at the finals. Thank you. I take out here into run good spirit even able to get it done last night. As the warriors even the series before we get started. Yeah, go. I want to say this is really nice. I appreciate being in the shape job being outside. But I'm gonna call. I'm a call the Toronto fans out for this that second half. When the Golden State Warriors won an eighteen run the Rena was half full people into concession stands. We were at the game. Does the NBA Fonda is a great city with great fans? But those first few minutes when it's Rondo raptors with victims of Golden State's eighteen zero run half the damn fans in the arena at the concession stand. Inexcusable question. It's the truth in your experience of covering big games and particularly finals for decades. Now, do you think that can actually have a material affect on the home team? In other words, can you blame the fans? Yes, from this perspective, you're going up against a champion that season. They know the moment, you know, the history goes, they comes out in the second half like gangbusters, they go they come to take your heart out, the Toronto Raptors feet off of their rabbit, great, great fans. And this is the first time on my cover these two conference this is the first time I saw him and where what here said that the raptors want it bad enough. But maybe the fans took it for granted. Well, greg. Talk about I don't care that is true Stephen, as right if you talk about homecourt advantage and then you suddenly don't have it, you give it up. But you already gave it up to start to say that it's not because the rapture should be we come back here for get hulk. Get hulk game thought every seat need to be filled to hit a game. Halftime, everything. It's a fair point. Stephen calm people. All right. Both teams guys hampered by injuries, but the hits keep on coming for the warriors Klay Thompson leaving in the fourth of the hamstring injury. We'll have more on that a little bit later max, how important is it for Golden State to get Katy back, obviously, it depends on the health of the team. But let's say clay's compromise. I say obviously because thought it would dollar would be compromised. It turns out the only thing he compromised was the offense of Toronto Raptors. And the fact that he hit that three one possession game. But if the health is compromised, they need K D to win the series because with k d you can't beat this Golden State Warriors team. You just can't what boogie cousins showed last night. And that was the whole question. Can he integrate himself into this team in such a way that he's not just an individual talent, but a helpful member of a unit? The answer is unequivocally at least last. Night. Yes, it was the boogie cousins game last night, does has dream on lost half a step or can he turn it on when he needs to know he can still turn it on when he needs to as can Igwe Dala so without D of clay's compromise. The raptors have a real good shot. If you add K D, two things I just said, it's a wrap he is the insurance policy, and I would say that they need him based on the health of the squad. You're not wrong. I just not interested in hearing that from you. Because you pick the wrap this, I don't wanna hear that has the deal. The Golden State Warriors without K D as long as boogie cousins, equal dollar Clayton's on a court. Go to say wars witness finals without K D, they're going to beat the Toronto web this in fix. There will be no game seven to Russia. Be no. By the way. He's, he's right there won't be a game seven at Toronto. I think we're going to close them out in game six. No way on that. The Golden State Warriors there, last time at the oracle. Okay. 'cause they're moving across the bay to the new one point five billion dollars, new arena, San Francisco. Hey, no way, inhale. I don't believe this anyway, inhale the Golden State wars going lose game. Six at the oracle. I can't see that happening. That's number one. Number two hit it tastes. I right now again, we know how to replicate d is, it's almost fair. It's almost fair to the city of Toronto, the country candidate at K D plan because God help y'all if he was a unhealthy you would have a chance would have a chance. Okay. Because he's gone because he's gone. You got a chance. But in the end, if equal Dala clay and cousins all healthy enough to play. This is over at sick. Listen, we're not even asking about the health of the right player here because I, I assume K D ain't gonna play that injury looked much. Serious nave reported we all they'll searing I never did. But I'll stand corrected if he plays. But it just looked to me like a serious. I don't believe that. Now look, I will say this even if k D's healthy the best player in the series if he's healthy. I believe is a letter I think he's the best player on. Let me say something else. Healthy. Why you win the game. The reason you didn't win really in terms of performances Kawai can't hit shots. He has to get to the free throw line and try to score that way because his legs are shot right now because he's hurt. If co why more. More into. I know what you mean. He wasn't but ragging this game. Like that's what I'm saying. He looks like he's coming along kowhai gets healthy. And he's hitting his shots. You're gonna win the series. The principle of all, get not giving enough credit could a go to state war is how successful they are in doubling up Kawai getting the ball out of the hands, it's causing him problems. Number two, I do not believe that could wildland it would be the best player in this series. If K D will help believe it would be K D, because just like you talk about what Kowah he's strong. He's powerful. He moves people off his spot. So he could be there himself. He does all of these things, Katie don't have to do any of that. K. D. Just give me you know who I am y'all know who I have that K D. That's. I'm not worried about all a healthy K D ever in the series. I don't think first of all, even if he does come back. He won't be healthy. I think the best case scenario for K D to come back is him at about seventy percent. That's the best case scenario, but I'm here to take even as seventy percents problem. K D comes back. This. Story this revenue percent of K D is like a normal all star. If you get three quarters of K, D, give or take that's an all star player. I don't think you're gonna get that in this series. I'd be very surprised if he plays. All right. And you said is best player on the planet, his twelve thirty point game this postseason joining only LeBron and Kobe as the only players to do that over the last decade that. I would tell you this, though. I got love. I got love for my brother. I got love for my brother Drake. I really do. I got mad luck. It does hurt to see him after raptors laws. It's just not a really really aches is hard, it messes with his juicy. Hurt. Would you see John, Anthony Joshua posing with Drake talking about the curse is going to be broken? I don't know. Man. There may be a drink curse for real starting to believe. I don't believe in curses. All right. Oh, we're still going here. We go guys come into. I play watching the game Toronto could you forgive me? Please. My goodness care, right? Into Joan judge a book by its cover heavyweight champion, Anthony Joshua got knocked down by a guy who looks like who hasn't seen the gym in years, and Andy were weeds, res did what many believe it was impossible, by stopping Joshua round seven on Saturday to capture all this title, then one of the biggest upsets in boxing history. Andy ruis. Then you have you jump in. Listen. Big respect on big, big risks. Good. Thank you, America, fake you. Everyone coming out this evening, so. Yeah, let my fans down sorry. Sorry, I let my support down. I'm gonna make a move big respect. Enjoy this moment, and we'll be seeing you again dreaming. What I've been working hard for. And I can't believe I just made my dreams come. True. Man. I just wanna mall my team how Heyman Eddie Hearn's my dad, my whole family. Linda, baby. Huge congrats third. Andy and Anthony Joshua acting like a class act there max. What does this mean for the heavyweight division now because I had wanted to see Josh wilder don't know if that will happen. It means it's wide open the divisions wide open, and mainly, that's because the two fighters were considered the top fighters, Anthony, Joshua Deontay, wilder, even though they have Olympic medals, Joshua, a gold at super heavyweight and wilder LeBron's they didn't have deep amateur backgrounds they were able to succeed because they're incredibly gifted and dedicated and they rose very quickly through the amateur and professional ranks, but it's not like they had a hundred something amateur fights Andy Reid. Did he had over one hundred amateur fights? He was an excellent amateur. And he's always been an excellent pro Stephen have heard you refer to him as butterbean. But let me explain something, you could be a big fat guy, and still be in shape, believe it or not cardiovascular because that's the training you do. Plus your diet. And since there's no weight limit at heavyweight. You can eat as much as you want, really and still have. If your wind up if you put in the road work in the sparring and everything I've seen anti Ruis only came in with one loss on his record in this fight. I saw handy. Ruis go twelve fast, part rounds with Joseph Parker and undefeated belt holder went to his hometown down under halfway across the world and lost a decision that was razor thin and he's still had stamina in the twelfth round. So Andy Ruis is in cardiovascular shape. He's in boxing shape. He's just built like grimace from McDonald's because he eats. All right. That much. We know but how did he win the fight? If you get a guy who's excellent, one loss thirty with deep amateur, background the muscle memory, if he's been boxing, since he's a kid is different than a guy who picked up the sport when he was eighteen Anthony Joshua or by the way, when he was twenty like the wilder. So when even though Joshua seen this boxing, often of big good athlete hurts the boxer hurts the guy with the deep background with the boxing muscle memory, then he gets into an exchange with him. But in the exchange the guy with the muscle memory who's been doing it since he's a little kid. The punches come in more to the point easier with less thought behind it. It's autumn Matic. And that's what happened Joshua. The athlete knocked dander, release down with a giant left took hit Ruis heard him again. Hurt him again but Ruis has a championship medal fired back and in those exchanges, the guy with a deeper background with the muscle memory one. It's instructive because when you look at this heavyweight division, the two top names, Joshua, and wilder both. Of them with medals. Both of them. With shallow amateur. Backgrounds deep amateur background who's been boxing, since he was a kid Tyson fury, and he's the win. He'll champ. Andy Ruis just show. The division is more wide open than people realize it's even better than people realize. And when you get up sites like this, even a it's not a problem, we now have a new colorful character who can really fight in Andy Ruis. Well, thank you, Dr Kelham, we appreciate your breakdown there. I'm gonna tell you something right now. I don't give a damn about any of that. And I'm not questioning anything you said because I love boxing. I love boxing. I get it. But everybody is missing. My point when I went on Twitter at went off about this data. I'm not question about the skills of Andy Ruis brother can fight. I get that out understand it. But that's not the point. This is not that you see what you have somebody like Dana white overseeing the sport that ensures you're going to get the fights that you wanna see when you want to see it, this ATM finals, where you get to knocked down chop down one opponent after another or the NFL playoffs or major league baseball, or whatever this boxing, which continuously repeatedly. Religiously robs us of mega fights that we want year after year after year. It keeps us waiting what because you've got promoted or boxers who ultimately? Come promoters, that make us wait and wait. And wait. So what I'm saying to you is this. I respect the hell out of Andy REEs prop to him. Yes. He did. Look like butterbean just talking about how he looked I didn't question whether he was shape. But that's I said, I looks okay. There is no way it helps did Eddie threes. Do Andrew was a huge underdog for re use the Anthony Joshua built like a donnas. He's the undefeated heavyweight champion. We had the aunt wild anti fury. Come on. That's new television on our show. And call out said he was running waited flam. They tried to make fights what if hated what it. And then we see something like this every say damn that's why he would go. Oh, hold it. Hold it. I'm not saying let to relieve because I understand that Eddie Hornets promote and all I get all of that. What I'm saying is this. We wanted to see Joshua versus wilder and I'm not saying we don't wanna see it max. What I'm saying is there is no way on earth that we're looking as forward to that fight today as we were set Friday night status morning before the fight. So once again, even though we got a new guy on the scene who's a heavyweight championship. We have been robbed of the mega fight we salivated what you mean? Because that had problems. It's happened. Many times, Tyson Holyfield. Both undefeated, they're gonna fight then Buster Douglas upsets the apple cart. Although I would argue the division just got more interesting. You now have a new character on the scene. Not just the top three you have a top four. Let me say this, Anthony Joshua has been chimney in his career in boxing. It means. Right. Okay. So Klitschko knocked them down. But that flat Amir. Klitschko puncher. Great fighter, Joshua rose off the deck to stop Klitschko billion white hurt him. In hurt him. And Andy were we's heard him but Joshua keeps fighting. And in fact, what you notice is even right before he got stopped in the seventh round he had just hurt release again but we as a real fighter. So when he gets hurt his inclinations I'm gonna hit you back twice. And again, Joshua ran into those exchanges. Let me say something about Joshua the perception that he was ducking. I had a conversation with Joshua last week is on max on boxing. I had a we were taping a segment. I had a conversation with them at he was saying, max I wanna fight wilder now. Because there are a lot of good fighters in this division, you can lose. Anyone can lose to anyone on any given night. And he knew he was good. He thought he was better than big baby Miller. Who's also good. And he was right. And I said, I told them what Muhammad Ali used to say? Muhammad Ali said, I wanna fight Frazier and form and all the top guys. Now, you know why there's so many good fighters in the division. It's just my look. I'm going to run into one of them on the night. They decide to be great, which happened ran into Kenny Norton. Broad jokin jaw broken. And he had a rematch with two really tough fights, styles make fights. And one of these guys who decide to be great on that night, it is styles. Make fights Andrew lost. Joseph Parker who lost to Anthony Joshua decisively. He's knocked down. Response is Josh what not who we thought he was is he over. Listen, that's what I ended the day. That's what it comes down to because even though we know he had a suspect Chen, max himself of all the years that I've watched max cover boxing. I have never seen him more giddy and excited then when he went overseas to England and watch Joshua stopped Klitschko match was just giddy about it. He was hype about it. Okay. Why? Because Joshua got dropped got up and then dropped Klitschko the heart of a champion. We didn't see that Saturday night. We saw guy at the beginning to fight standard with his arms on the ropes with his mouth piece hanging out his mouth. We saw the gets in the second round we saw him get hurt third round. We saw him look like he didn't want to fight the fifth in a row. Get dropped twice, again in a seventh-round. Why did the referee stopped at Anthony Josh were turned his back wit to the corner with looking at his trainer with it's back to the? Referee step to turn it around the rep said that you want to go to your want to go to your wanna go, and he was headed to wait a minute. That is the truth. I now true, I've heard this reported a bunch of a bunch of people. Let me tell you what I saw I saw mad. Get up off the deck. Four times continue to throw punches. And when the ref when he was listening, he never recovered from that I left took the hit him behind the ear knocked off equilibrium. But look at this when the ref asked him at the very end of the fight do you wanna fight Joshua's looked at the I nodded his head? Yes. And then the ref stopped the fight. John. He's saying what I just said. Yes, they do the say while usually when you win, you know, they come at you when they're trying to get you the fight. But when you lose they let it go, the ultimate, text it, ultimately tweeted this, but the texted to me, before he said, he wasn't a true champion this whole career consistent lies contradiction gifts facts. And now we know who was running from who in other words, what I'm trying to say is even type of soda elevated level of class and telling Joshua to get up one day, the bottom line is you gotta champion like while who lost money was looking at they're going like this damn. I want that's been me in the ring against you. That's the Klitschko top fighter. Joseph Parker was a top fighter beaten. I'm not saying man. To cut you off. But we gotta get a commercial break.

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What's Next in British Boxing?

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

44:23 min | 1 year ago

What's Next in British Boxing?

"This is sports illustrated. Boxing podcast boxing boxing with sports. Illustrated's Chris Bennett interviews analysis in everything going on in boxing and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting punched in the face Kris. Maddox all right. Welcome back to a special bonus episode of the SL boxing. Podcast want to release one a little bit earlier this week because I had a chance to catch up with Gareth Davies. The longtime British boxing journalist As written for the Telegraph does a lot of stuff with talksport over in the UK and garrison. I talked about everything going on in the world of British boxing like here in the US. The UK is on lockdown at the moment. No sports no boxing. But they're certainly signs that some of the major promoters like Eddie hearn or frank. Warren may get stuff going sooner rather than later. So what to get? Garrett's take on just how quickly British boxing can recover and just what we might see in the near future. Also get his thoughts on Anthony Joshua Tyson fury. That's a major fight. That could be burrowing in the next six to twelve months and bill. Saunders who was pencilled into face Canelo Alvarez in May that opposite not going to happen now. What's the future for? Billy Joe Saunders really good conversation with Gareth Davies over the last next forty. Five minutes or so quick housekeeping. Note if you like this podcast very easy way you can support it head over to apple. Podcast post a comment leave a rating. It's simple it's easy. It's free best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. That's it all right onto my conversation with Gareth Davies are joining me now on the podcast from across the pond in the UK Gareth a Davies journalist broadcast or you know from the Telegraph and from talksport and he is now sequestered alone. Where are these days Gareth? I'm halfway between London and Cambridge a on my own in a very small village. I think come up to the thirty five Christopher So deuce on the paint me the picture of the scene right now in the UK not just necessarily with boxing but Just life itself like how is how significantly has life changed? And what does it look like right now in the UK? Well we're in the with just after a month of this great criticism of Todd Genus of reacting rather like in America of senior figures people all getting to the point of. I think they've accepted it. People have drawn on the fact. There are positives about this way. You're getting more time with your family. A chance to reflect life to slow down a little bit you and I both know we're in a very busy world and it's got accelerated fast in the last ten years and only the slowing down has probably enabled you to realize that and those. That's the thing that people Dealing with then of cool steroid these thousands and thousands and thousands of deaths. You know we're up to a thousand a day at one point so a lot of people dealing with that you know. Antoniades his His father died is fall of his mother. Died have been several other cases in boxing So I think that the slowdown is tempered with the failing Linson. Sadness of people all going through this and everybody I think is failing. I don't WanNa get this indiscriminate lottery ticket. People are very weird about how they deal with each other when they're out. I've only been out a couple of times. I had all procedure thirty five days ago. So I've got to try and isolate as much as possible but overall we've got three more weeks of this lock down and I think people are feeling that we probably won't get back to normal probably until June and then what happens with sports and that's the big question for us. Of course. Yeah it is the big question and in the US. The sentiment is that combat. Sports are the most likely to come back. I for logistical reasons. If nothing else and you know it stands to reason that it's probably the same in the UK. Now the the boxing scene out there. I mean Eddie hearn. Match Room is located out there. Frank Warren his promotional company located out. There what what is the sense? You're getting from local promoters about what they may try to do and when they may try to do it while you look at the two major ones. Eddie hearn and Frank Warren. I've interviewed both of them. And Bob Arum. In fact in the in the previous few weeks that monitoring the situation very closely the boxing board of Control or going month by month. Obviously everything's cancelled until the end of. May they allowed to have an event unless it was unlicensed? Because that's they've unsanctioned any events Robert Smith of the boxer border control till the end of. May He will have a look at it in the next couple of weeks to see if that extends into June of Kubrick who love or actually Joshua and Kubrick has already been moved to a day. The twenty fifth I believe at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium Still. Don't see that happening lost Week were expecting Saturday before last. We were expecting Joe Joyce and And Daniel Dubois. That never happened is saying he's going to follow all the guidelines. Eddie hearn's bet more aggressively proactive trying to create an EA Boxing game. That hasn't come off yet you know. He's he's he's hungry with his social media can't stay off it. He's having these instagram lives. Doing impersonations think he's even been impersonating you. And I Chris some at times but I think the general feeling is the third to two sides to this they will only be able to come back when Permission allows but will they do behind closed doors at some point if it goes on too long because they won't be able to wait till October November where assuming so therefore it will be behind closed doors because will people be comforted about going into a ten thousand seats arena an eighteen thousand seats arena? I can't see anybody and I don't think they can see anybody going to a Joshua fight with all those people at a big stadium for months and months to come so probably similar things to America in. Look we in the. Us We look at boxing. Oftentimes as kind of a niche type of sport. It's still on the outside looking in of the four majors not really the case in the UK. Boxing such a major part of the fabric of sports side. I mean how. How realistic do you think it is? Because even with smaller shows Gareth is you know they still generally draw good crowds. They do pretty decent gates. I mean how realistic is it that we start to see those behind closed doors shows and and for the purposes of them are there venues in the UK that makes sense in the US. We talk about you know Full Sail University in Florida or the UFC apex in Las Vegas or some of the Indian reservations that they have in the US that aren't necessarily tied to state federal laws. Are there places like that in the UK that are being explored well. I don't know about them yet. We don't know I mean I imagine places like Bt Sports for example has a massive studio. I used to broadcast a UFC show from that. It's big enough to put on boxing event with just officials in a crew. Definitely big enough that studio so disguise bolts have enough space to be able to do that but raw the light the UFC apex. I imagine if bt sport goes ahead with its events and Behind closed and skied us. Ready hearn which oversees would be in association with zone in some way that would be at the sky studio somewhere but you know Eddie hearn might be scaping out or scoping out a big bond a big farm somewhere in Essex right now where he's going to be locked down in a bunker running stuff every week. You never know that. He never spoke to his father. Barry loss week bless his heart Had A heart attack nine days ago and he's fine. He had a stint spoke to bury a radio show last week and thankfully he's well but Barry started obviously he's the chairman of PVC donuts and do at home dots. And I reckon the as they roll that out that will be a precursor to how they look at how they're going to do behind closed doors boxing events. But you'll have done the math if you go behind closed door event and you say you've got a card with say ten fighters on it. Yeah they're still going to be one hundred and fifty people in that so they go to be covert negative. Have they all go to be tested? What's the testing procedure? You know will hospital beds like if someone gets injured. I think there's all those factors to consider which is why when the UFC wanted to do it at touchy palaces. You mentioned the American Indian native American Indian results. It seemed foolhardy tone deaf to what was going on in the world. I mean when I saw you lost in New York when we were doing something with Joan. I went off to the Mohegan. Resort with ballots from that event could have gone ahead but it was called off within four hours of the event after trump's address. So I think mark my my instinct the nuance of this for me as a human being is there's bigger things going on right now in the world then having a fight event and I know that sounds salty in a way towards fight sports but on a personal level. I draw the US. Wait till the time to come back. Where maybe we don't have crowds in September October November and it is small hole in terms of the numbers of people that I would draw their US stack up. The fights getting implant tell fighters to go to camp and maybe start from September. I don't know what you're feeling is about that. Yeah I try personally. I try not to even think about a time frame at this point. The two things the two things that have to take place before. Boxing can be considered as that. Testing has to be as available as getting it at a CVS or ordering up. Amazon like that kind of availability before you can even consider it and you have to be one hundred percent. Sure that the fight card. You're putting on doesn't risk overwhelming the healthcare system of the city that you're in like you cannot have an injured box. Sir. You know taking the bed of potential Kobe patient or or are taking the resources away from that hospital until those things happen. I'm not really thinking about everyone. I'm John Wartime senior writer at sports illustrated in our new podcast. The record we're opening up more than sixty years of the SL fall in examining our most consequential work about the moments that defined the most legendary athlete some sports. From Michael Jordan to Serena Williams. The record will tell the never before heard stories behind the stories that turned athletes into icons subscribe. Now to the record on apple podcasts spotify stitcher or wherever you get your podcast. I am curious. Gareth because I've had a lot of conversations with fighters over the last couple of months. The vast majority of them have said that you know when it comes to behind closed doors shows. They don't WanNa do it or they outright won't do it like Terence Crawford said I'm not GonNa do it unless you pay me more. Which is kind of counterproductive to the point of shows? Like you're you're going to take less to do behind closed. Doors shows Because there isn't the gate attached to it so there are a few fighters and Anthony. Joshua surprisingly was one of them. Who said I'll fight Kubrick BOOLA BEHIND CLOSED DOORS? I'll I WANNA keep my career moving. It seems to me Garrett that fighters are GONNA have to decide over the next six months if they want to maximize their revenue. Or if they WANNA take a percentage of it to keep their career moving and I'm not sure that I'm not sure fighters have gotten there yet. I don't think it's like registering with them. That I mean even the best case scenario where crowds are allowed back in. I'm sorry it's GonNa be a while before. Eight thousand packed. Wembley or twenty thousand pack. Msg Like it's just. It's just not going to happen until there's a vaccine. That's a good point you make and an I've listened to a watched your interview with Antony Joshua wet to add to what you said it was. It was interesting enough that I ended up doing a story on it. You In the Telegraph which he said he was prepared to take an eight million dollars for the gates. If you remember now that's a sign of the hunger the Antony Joshua has also the extraordinary wealth. He already possesses now. That's fine for someone like him on that scale but the fighters who earned fifteen thousand who have a second job going to have to think very carefully about how they progress in that way Terence Crawford as well doesn't need to fight he's already. He's not a huge box office his style but he's a staw. He's on the way to being a huge box of still go to way to go. He's not he couldn't fill out of stadium at the moment but I like his attitude of waiting. What worries me is the heavyweight division You know I liked what Antony Joshua's was also saying both to you end on an interview with sky. Sports where he was saying. I would love Deontay. Wilder coup left to step aside. So that when this pandemic is over we can give the world celebration and let's go straight to heads and have a fight for an undisputed title. That will happen with some fights and some fighters. I think but with the heavyweight division as enough money to be made with Joshua Pula with fury and wild three to make those fights happen. Anyway I think we're GonNa get the undisputed title. Probably out of you agree with this roundabout the summer of twenty twenty one. I think that's more likely than not I think. The ship has sailed on Deontay wilder taking step aside. Money I given Bob Arum's relationship with pool of and I don't know if bob believes Love's GonNa Win. I doubt but You know that's that he's not willing to step aside money for that fight. That deals already locked in. So I think those fights happen and then we'll see in the summer twenty twenty one. I'll tell you. What if you know if Josh was serious about fighting behind closed doors like let's get real creative right like let's have Joshua who live at Buckingham Palace just like set it up on the lawn in looking Ham Balas? Maybe you might be able to do it somewhere. Like Kensington Palace on the lower. That's very ambitious. What you could close the mouth and have it on the mail whether it where the marathon ends every year but now a like so. All horseguards parade will Trafalgar Square. All of it you know. Make it very Very partisan very nationalistic in that way and You know like that. I think that's a great idea and it would certainly thrill people I mean when you've got a time when Tyson Fury's Dad's as a fifty four year olds is having a fight with a bodybuilder. Maki Theo to raise money for our National Health Service and that's generating a lot of boxing headlines. You know that you're pretty well when it comes to big fights going on because that is generating headlines. I'm for me You know we we had disobey even before the pandemic we need this. It's a very interesting heavyweight. Era Since Lennox Lewis event. The holyfield's Riddick Bowe Mike Tyson. Since era this is a fascinating era. Tyson fury for me and I had this chat. The other dam on my radio show was is not the number one yet of this era. He has to be Anthony. Joshua I I don't believe a Brat Pool of will be Anthony Joshua Joshua we'll get to him in six or seven rounds and I think he'll stop him. He's a phenomenal finisher. I don't even believe it's a foregone conclusion. That wilder loses the third fight to Tyson fury. Because it will be another. You know you've seen enough boxing yourself. We've been around this alone time. Things happen things happen. Invite things happen during a fight gave plans go wrong. Wildest game was wrong for fury played into his ends. The third fights fascinating for me. Tyson furious to win two more fights to become the d'Almeida Pfizer of this era in history. Because he's Beaten Klitschko. He was the first to do so. change that rain and then if he can beat wilder again he gets everything out the way really proves it and then he has a fight with Anthony. Joshua which I again is no foregone conclusion. So that's what I think we need to see. I agree with you. I think fury has an opportunity over the next year to etched his name into history by beating you beating. Deontay wilder again and then potentially beating Anthony. Josh the reason I think it might be easier for fury. This time is in part while body. Worries me like you had surgery again like yet. A bicep surgery that the aftermath that fight. He's been banged up a lot over the last couple of years. You had that arm injury to his right hand prior to the first fury fight. He's coming up on thirty five years old like at some point you know. He's not in all these wars in his career. But at some point your body catches up with you a little bit but let me ask you about about Fury Joshua Eddie. Hearn has made it clear that it's not necessarily going to be in the UK. That's that's insane to me like you have to have that fight in the UK. I'm trying to think of a comparison like gained seven of the NBA finals. The cavs warriors takes place in Moscow. Like it just. It just doesn't make any sense to not put the biggest fight in British boxing history on British soil. Do you think he's being real about that or do you think there is a real possibility that someplace like Saudi Arabia could swoop in and take that fight utterly completely one hundred percent there. There's he's leaving. The door open for huge. Saudi Arabia fight because it will be the basis will be the huge amounts of fe money that some the Saudi princes will put up for that fight. I mean you could. You could almost see the backing of one hundred million pounds going down just to have that event there. Then you got the the the the the global revenue sponsorship of the money that comes in from own from Sky Sports from bt sport because it'll be a shed revenue fight up from ESPN so it's GonNa be a colts hats of of of television partners as well couldn't it so The bigger it will be the biggest we've ever seen now as a result of that. Boxing is a sport. But as you know and I know when it comes to major fights on particularly heavyweight fights it's a business and if both men know that they can make seventy million each or one hundred million H. as opposed to thirty five million H. By having in the UK where? I think it should be. She'll be at Wembley Stadium. Then they may go for the money because it's it's an endgame fight for both men so I believe you know in the Carinthian way. I had this argument with Barry. Her and the other day as I say when I spoke to him if this event is going to happen for me theoretically there is no greater place with Wembley Stadium. It is one of the major sporting events in the history of Britain to British fighters. Both have come up through the same generation both on different sides of the tracks with very different stories yet both equally fascinating climaxing together. At Wembley you will not be able to get a seat for the nineteen thousand literally. It would take over the front middle pages all the airwaves. All the adverts for the whole week it would go down as one of the major events because it's for the undisputed title really would be another occasion for me. It'd be like Ali Frazier. One nine hundred seventy square garden. You know how big that's is. In American sporting history. Imagine if that had gone to the Middle East Asia ago you know. I know that we had the rumbling. The Juggler in the thriller in Manila Off Towards. But that was a kind of cultural and societal return to African roots. Wasn't it? It was the right times about the emancipation of the African American and and there were lots of kind of layers that that that resonated and still do today but this is a fight the needs to be owned by Britain. But I do fear it could end up in a man. Made Fifty Thousand Stadium In the Middle East Domina you ahead segment. That happened as well though. I think that money talks and if there is an obscene amount of money. Put up that that you can't come close to with a UK by I think they'll go that. Look look you know this. The the buys for Joshua versus Ruiz to on pay per view in the UK were astronomical. So it didn't hurt The pay per view buys there. I know disown got real good value. You Know Bang for their buck with out with the subs that they got off for that fight so partners. I don't think would fight it too much. Look if you can make twenty thirty million more dollars we can sit here and say the atmosphere would be way cooler in the UK and it would but you know who atmospheres. Don't pay the bills and if it's a fight like that where you're not cashing out necessarily but taking that big check You've got to take that big check but let me ask you about that. Fight Anthony. Joshua hasn't been an underdog ever in his career. I think Klitschko. He was slight favourite going into that fight three years ago. But he's being viewed as an underdog going into a potential fury. Do you believe that? Aj would be an underdog. Yeah definitely because in in in boxing skills alone. What we've seen in the last year. We've seen what we've we've seen it from fury probably four times now where he's shown the best boxers the best fighters in history even the best sports. The superheroes Have the ability to change the pattern of an event all a match or a fight. And what fury has shown is that he has the ability to make major adjustments. People said always the same Pfizer but we particularly sold this in this loss fight with Yonsei Waldo although we saw it with a second fight with Jussara Dark Zora's well where he went. South Pony Hits Him with a soul night with left. Uppercuts was extraordinary performance. That here in a in a place by the way the accelerator. That is now hospital for four thousand people to morgues believe it will and IT I. It brings with every time I think about that. Fight at the moment it's sets up a hospital in Nineteen Galas goals The we've seen more adjustments that I don't think any question that Tyson fury as the most talented boxer heavyweights in this era but we also saw from Anthony Joshua in the second fight with Andy Ruis was genuine adjustment and patience and not being drawn into I know looked vulnerable at times as well When he went into a firefight with Ruiz who clearly is his nemesis you know. His bogeyman is quickly But we've seen that adjustment made by by Joshua this time away may have may may work in in Joshua's favor I think he's the underdog because whatever anyone says a nineteen stone. Fury is capable of stopping anyone. I mean to call you. Call Cool someone like that. Could books like Fury Pillow Fists? You can do it from an armchair on twitter if you're a troll but we still have banged up. Deontay wilder was in that fight in seven rounds and fury hits him that many times and we also know that if fury hits. Joshua could be in trouble as well. I think it's a fight. I see it as kind of fifty eight forty two something like a fifty seven forty three two two two two fury over Joshua. But it's a fight. I am fascinated to see if we never see it. Christopher if we never ever see it will be a travesty. Was the bow. Never Meeting Lennox Lewis heavyweight fall. Follow us what you'll take not only would it be no yeah not not even like? I'm not even looking forward to one. Fight is these guys could have a trilogy type of fight you know. Because I think they're pretty evenly matched and they're young enough. Both in their early thirties. That you could see it playing out over the next three years. Massive heavyweight shows with other fights kinda mixed in the interim For to get the loser a win or whatever however you WanNa do it. Maybe it's just kind of the I don't know why. But I do favorite Joshua in that fight because I look at fury and I don't think that fury. He was so aggressive against wilder. I don't think he'd be allowed to get so many unanswered shots in against Joshua. Josh was not a great boxer. But he's certainly a better boxer than deontay wilder. I think he'd have more counters in his bag. That would give fury some problems. And he's still is a massive puncher. I think the the question I have about Joshua that maybe we'll get answered over these next one or two fights is did we see a fundamental shift in his boxing philosophy against Andy Ruiz. Or did he just fight a guy that knocked him out in a different way and when he comes back it's who love of and maybe usig fighters that are smaller than him. That don't necessarily pose the exact same type of threat. Is he still aggressive? 'cause I think Joshua has to be aggressive against Tyson fury because you've got to get to his Chin you're not going to outbox fury. You're just not going to do what he's better boxer. That Anthony Joshua you've gotta find a way to get to his Chin and I'm curious to see if Joshua is still that type of finer. Yeah I think I'm Joshua is natural wants to fight. He wants to fight. Hard from against Andrew is in the second fight. 'cause he has he led to learn to be a big tool. Pfizer and stay behind along. Japanese was brilliant. Set It on the night. I was sitting with Shannon Briggs and Frank Bruno hosting event in London because I couldn't go Saudi because my health and both men by the end of the fight you know Shannon and frank alleged they were literally grabbing my leg or we were all saying come on come on Joshua just the same. They both had great respect for him. And they all fighters of cool were really happy with how he portrayed himself in that fight. I think that he showed a level of development and the level of patients that he is going to be able to tailor his game plan for different people. I think he's one of the great finishes. It doesn't kill you with one punch. Sorry kill. I won't use it kill. He doesn't put you away with one punch. He puts you away with a combination. I think he's a Fano one of the great finish as I've ever seen with combinations. You know like full five punches. Joshua hurts you. He will destroy you with full punches. Brilliant finish a brilliant brilliant finish up and he's an appetite for that as well if he hurts fury he'll finish him he will finish him no question about it in a way. That wilder couldn't do because he doesn't have the the meticulousness when he's finishing with someone. There's a degree of well. He's got one punch. She does it with so I take your point but I think ultimately we will see we'll also see a different fury in the third fight with wilder because in a different way because wild is going to be lighter. Get to the center of the rigor as hands go any will. It is what it will do. Fury knows that we know that wilder has to do that right. So few Republi holds and lead on even still be heavy and trying to get the fights around four or five. That's how I anyway but you mentioned just now and I know we've talked about the heavyweight slow because it is a fascinating thing. If fury loses the third fight so wilder and wilder faces Joshua it still fastening nineteen fight for the winter of that one to face fury again? You know they may have to fight says well there may be a to fight deal so we may see fury fight wilder for the full time we may see fury have two fights with with With Joshua next I just hope that they we may have Jillian white jump in the mix or herb it so whoever comes through at that time as well and you sit like you say. Olexander you sick. I just think we may be needed to move to three fights a year once. This is over for these guys rather than just too because they have lost a year by the time we come back from this frankly Who TO FOCUS. I think wilder yeah. I think wilder winning would be a disaster for boxing. Ju just because I I think like I don't I don't think well no. I don't think Deontay should walk away or should walk away. I I just think there would be a push to make the fourth fight between those two guys. Which would probably erase any chance of seeing a unification fight in twenty twenty one featuring Anthony Joshua? Because I don't I don't believe that while there's GonNa face Joshua I think that there's too much of a political divide there that it's just not gonNA happen. I think theory would because fury's just that type of guy like theories like why would I want to be in a fight against a Bi level opponent that I clearly don't get up for like he doesn't get up for the Auto Valens of the world? He gets up for a while there so I think fury would force that fight in twenty twenty one whereas I think wilder because of what exists in the universe earth. I think wilder would go on face anti Ruis and they'd say well it's for you know the almost undisputed championship if we're easily won that fight. Maybe it's like Robert Hall alias or this is too many heavyweights that you can make easier fights for deontay wilder and not make an Anthony. Joshua fight so I think any there could be some serious heavyweight momentum in twenty twenty one and beyond if Tyson fury wins the fight and that momentum could include deontay wilder getting himself back in the mix. I think if while they're loses its way more likely faces Joshua because then he won't have the same type of leverage that he has already had when he had the heavyweight title. So I think you could get so many potential mega fights in the heavyweight division. If you're a wins I'm just less confident that you can get it. If Wilder wins suburban point you make and I I can't kind of disagree with that other than You know you seem to be leaning towards for me. I think fury will end up as the leader of the air. But the appoint. There's a caveat here. The Joshua Bateson fury while in the Third Fight Josiah beats him in the first fight. We see them again. Frankly Want like a trilogy. You're not ruling out that Joshua's development could see him become the number one of the areas. Well no not at all. I think he's you know I. I think a lot of great fighters almost every great fire has a blip on their radar. Some happens in their careers. Had Lennox added Go back in history. They've all had it the Andy Ruiz fly couture to be to be. Aj Split let me ask you one more thing about the British senior. And that involves billy Joe Saunders who has about a month and a half ago Billie Joe seemed like he was ready to cash in lottery ticket. That was a Cannella fight. Suddenly the pandemic happens and you know. Look it's looking now more likely than not that Billie Joe doesn't get the CANELO fight Where does this leave? Billy Joe Saunders. And what's the sense among the British? Boxing public of his actions. Not just over the last month or so with you know his latest you know. Let's is latest basically out attack on women but a a anti domestic violence or not making light of domestic violence video. Just another in a layer of kind of mistakes that Billie Joe has made public. What's the sense about Billie Joe from the British public? Let me say first of all. Because it's quite a while since he may have spoken to manage to get all the Billie Joe but I have spoken to is trying to Ben Davidson. Used to try. And Tyson Fury It was foolhardy in the extreme. It was it was. It was a deal to have done that but I don't think I mean I know Billy Joan of knowing him a long time and he's not. This is the mad thing. He's not the person the that video purports seem to be He is going to make a donation to domestic violence charities. You know which is a good thing because his own reputation. That's what's so odd something he didn't need to do. He thought it was a joke. He doesn't have the same register as other people have what he's doing with with a social media he did it before with with a drug addict. Remember out of the car. He didn't film that but it puts out. I mean that's that's playing around in the bag could could. It might not be that Costa Cannella fight. It might be the pandemic frankly as well but He's got to go through. He goes license suspended by the people to control over it as well. Rhumba get that back when when we come back. I think people very angered by what he did and See those that don't know him. And those who are outside the really are incensed by his actions. Especially a time when there's a lot of domestic crises right now with people that don't have a great relationship forced gather for low and that tomorrow domestic crises centers all lot more cases and a lot more colds and so. It's a very serious thing that he's done. I don't think he walked into it not realizing what he's done but it's it's foolish in the extreme for me he's got a Callum Smith fighter potentially which is a very good old British fight. If he doesn't get Canelo he could go down to middleweight. And and draw a boo-boo android. That's easy enough to do. Both guys have promoted by Eddie hearn Justice Callum Smith is so there's options fan but eight the eight million dollar fight Canelo on Cinco de Mayo in in Las Vegas and that was the big fight for him. I mean billy Joe Saunders raw the like Tyson fury obviously from the same traveller community. The same traveler race is another one that gets up for big fights because he's so skilled in the office But I really do feel that he he may have lost that opportunity And once this law of kin is done Which I imagine. We'll be super middleweight. No rather than middleweight could be. I don't think that's been decided yet. A lot of back and forth between those two camps I think canal stops him this time myself. It's possible I think I think the only way stops him is probably if the corner throws in the towel or the referee steps in with a flurry. I think too strong Chin to go down on shotting Cannella for all his marvelous towns. Yeah the body you're the body attacks Canaletto froze marvellous talents. The the knockouts don't come against the highest level of competition. Whether it's Daniel Jacobs or Aris Lanny Laura or even Austin Trout He wins and deserves all the credit in the world for that. But it's usually by decision. I can see it being a legit one. Eighteen one ten type of decision for our Ella cheers this time. And not the not the illegitimate bullshit. That we've seen in the past the let me ask you one thing about about about saunders what am I missing about Saunders Callum Smith like why is that not done for if canal really is moving on. Why is that not an obvious? Let's get it done fight because you mentioned android and I think there's some momentum to do Saunas android in a fight that Gareth I swear to God. I put an ice pick through my before voluntarily. Kind of watching that because that is just not aesthetically pleasing. It's just not a fight where the styles make sense. And it's not a fight that anyone is really clamoring for this moment you've got to British fighters in Callum and Billie Joe both titleholders. The win win. That fight would be a unified supermiddleweight champion. Why is that? Not The obvious fights. Make in the fall of twenty twenty. It's also the number one and number two in the super middleweight. Division remembers. Well subbing for the ring magazine Belt and all the that's what I was trying to show you that story. I mean I wasn't trying to save victory over Mannix by lesson before we start talking about ice picks in your eyes you know and that fight may well be made so be careful because and it's one that you'll be broadcasting on your cell phone deserve so wanna come home with ice picks or people attacking you with ice picks when you wait to that fight. 'cause I trouble is it stalemates. Isn't that contest with two variable could fighters and I love Boo Boo. By the way I mean is Is One of the guys. I love the sports Why isn't it being made? Well I think that probably still holding out full. Because there'd be no but the weird thing is billy Joe Saunders Josh Taylor and Ben Davidson rolled trading in Vegas together for the Cinco de Maya fight with canal. It hasn't had to actually be officially announced. Had it even though it was one of the worst kept secrets? In boxing we knew is about to happen. They only started trading so officially. It hasn't been announced his own so maybe officially hasn't even been announced his off. So I it's a very good question. Freddie heard right now that is actually and when we get off this cool. I'm just put a little colon to him. Well it's like if you do Billie Joe versus Android Billy Joel could lose that fight. Very easily like android is a phenomenal boxer. And if Billie Joe Loses it makes the Callum Smith fight almost irrelevant by. You might be able to rehab it over the next year. But we've seen what happens when you wait too long. Amir Khan Brooke should have fought two years ago and and now that fight is almost irrelevant in terms of of establishing any type of top fighter. I if you can do a senior circuit type of of event to be a money. Grab but right. Now you got Billie Joe has his title. Didn't doesn't coming off a great performance. Neither his Count Smith. But I think you have to strike while the iron top because there are way too many examples and you know this way too. Many examples of over marination leading to fights either not happening or becoming far less relevant when they do not agree. And I think I think what we'll see versus if if Bonello into Billy Joe Saunders doesn't go ahead. I think we will see that fight made because it will resonate Brinson and ye could put it on anywhere I mean and again. It's one of those fights the if you had to do in the small hole behind closed doors it would generate interest Certainly in the industry. And maybe you could make it a bit wider than that. There's a natural home for Billy Joe Saunders Count Smith that is Jeddah Saudi Arabia. Where Eddie HEARN LOVES TO PUT ON MEET? Your boxing shows crazy man Gareth always appreciate your time man. Stay healthy out. Stay safe as always my friend. Good to talk to you Chris and keep looking after that hair. See Shaving yourself but the moment my mind will need food and stay Kobe. Free State say called. Wait see you in person very soon third.

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REShow: Chris Mannix. Hour 2 (06-04-19)

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REShow: Chris Mannix. Hour 2 (06-04-19)

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Hour. Number two. The rich Eisen show is on the air. Chris Mannix will be joining us shortly from Sports Illustrated. He covers the NBA as well as boxing for them. He was as part of his work would dissolve on, on ringside of the, the Anthony Joshua Andy Ruiz junior fight in Madison Square Garden over the weekend. So there's lots to talk about with him. Your phone calls as well at eight four four zero four rich number to dial our poll question of the day is which underdog is gonna come through the most, and it's an interesting court that you've fashioned together there. Christopher what do you have a championships being decided this week, which underdog best chance to win a championship? Saint Louis blues, we'd the way fifty two percent. They tied the Stanley Cup final last night in Saint Louis Toronto Raptors game. Three in Golden State tomorrow thirty percent. Oklahoma softball. They're down one zero to UCLA game to today. Best of three series ten. Percent. Roger Federer nine I don't think people consider him an underdog, but never had one of his major championships. Or he's the underdog of our poll question, all of a sudden, he's it's very odd. We just discussed the word here that LeBron James would want out, or the Lakers would grant him his wish to be let out or he's going to demand to be taken out of here. Even though he is. There's a no trade clause in the contract. Wouldn't that be interesting if he wants out, but the Lakers, don't let him out and part of the reason why? Because they have leverage that Magic Johnson helped fashion in their into a contract signed a three plus one he did. I'm still shocked at that, though. Well, not giving himself some kind of out beforehand, well the out is the after the three and I think what he figured was. He'd come play with the young kids. He's coming here for reasons of basketball to loves living out here wanted to go ahead and commit in a way that he had not done for the Cleveland Cavaliers we was going, you know, pretty much one plus one every single year. They just like it's a one and. And I think he figured somebody would walk through that door this coming summer. And right now, who's that who's gonna who's it going to be? Now, the Lakers have the fourth overall pick in the draft dangle in a trade. One would think for Anthony Davis. And there might be some players that are out there that David Griffin now would be interested in trading or has less of an animus towards the Lakers. Then del Dem's clearly had d- doesn't have it foisted upon him in a way that they'll Dem's felt that it was by LeBron's agent and Anthony Davis is agent. Rich Paul saying that he wanted to he wanted out of you want out commanding a trade, and maybe something's different. I mean David Griffin reportedly last week chatted with Anthony Davis, everything that was ugly and out in the public view last January and February is now behind closed doors. So who knows what's going on draft coming up later on this month. This should all come to a head and just a couple of weeks time. And then July first maybe Anthony Davis walks through the door. And and they, they have a bunch of players that they. Remaining that, that LeBron can win a championship with, with Anthony Davis. And how, how about this for just an idea. In free agency. You get shooters for for for for the offense go get shooters. People can fill it out for the three point line. So that's what's playing out here in Los Angeles right now. Another Tom Brady subject that we have not yet really hit on here on that, that's out there. He's, he's at an OT a practice today. Did you hear that, that Tom Brady is applying for the rights to? Use the phrase, Tom terrific, as China trademark that nickname. Okay. Tom now use for his TB twelve Ford so. Right. And he shirts terrific. He is terrific. He's been called that in the past New England. I mean he is a terrific player. And now folks in New York have a big problem. For those who may not know the Mets tweeted out. With all due respect to Tom Brady. There's only one hash tag. Tom terrific to us in the show in Tom Seaver their number forty one. L GM. Let's go Mets. Now I look I it's just not. And then there's l l g that's out there right now with let's go blues all the Saint Louis. There's a lot of LG is going on. So with with the with the Mets I grew up, obviously in New York City and Tom terrific was Tom's phrase. He didn't say, I'm Tom terrific. That was the nickname for him that the tabloids gave him. I bet and I 'cause I don't know the exact origin but it does sound like something that is sports writer, or the new York, Daily News, or Newsday back in the day today or which they still. They still they still exist Newsday. And also the New York Post my call Tom terrific. That's what it sounds like. And he was terrific. But. Even as a native New Yorker. I mean, Ariza changed. Tom Brady has the ability to get it. He's not sliding Tom Seaver. Go ahead and do that. And I remember Tom Seaver was Tom terrific. And Tom Brady wants to use that phrase. I'll just always remember as a New Yorker who that who use that I. I mean is that bad form by Tom Brady? The New York tabloids are having a lot of fun with this. So the New York Post headline for this is Tom Brady's obscene. Tom terrific graphs, crazy. The first two paragraphs say patriots quarterback, Tom Brady has fired filed a trademark for the nicknamed, Tom terrific. Wow. Tom. The twit is more like it. Gosh, I know I know. Boomer size when crazy on his radio show. Humor assize went crazy. Look, look, ladainian Tomlinson has gone by the nickname of LT. For a very long time. You ask a certain age group if the sick L whose L who's LT. They'll say it's ladainian Tomlinson, but then there's number fifty six Lawrence Taylor, who is the original LT. Right. There's enough LT's in the world to go around for everybody. But guess here's boomer assize quote today w phase enough. There's enough world here. You've got so much GD money you can do whatever you want. And this is now at Tom Brady wants to take maybe New England, and we'll call him that I guess, but, you know what we've been calling Tom Seaver, Tom terrific for as long as I can remember, I'm disgusted. I'm really surprised. I don't know. It just feels sleazy to me, sleazy, sleazy, and a couple of fans told the New York Post he's an idiot, but get your own nickname, New York. It's not like go back to deflate footballs. Okay. It's bring it all up. It's a it's a New York, Boston rivalry. I understand that there too in our against him leave him ally. No way. But if that's what he wants to do. It's not trademarked. It's not like he's ripping it from Tom Seaver 's life, right? Finished his career. With the Red Sox nineteen eighty six he also he threw a no hitter in Yankee Stadium for the White Sox. Okay. And also, if you really want to it's funny, it's really if you really want to drill deep into this. It's funny that the New York tabloids have Tom Seaver back because it was the New York tabloids, who ran him. Right. Out of town dick young was a mean curve. Sports writer, back in the seventies, and the stuff that he wrote about Tom and his family. And the way that he conducted himself ran him out of New York City and into that trade with the reds. For Pat frigging Zachary who I know remember off the top of my head, because he wound up signing my glove when he visited can't low condo one day in Glen Spain New York when I was a camper. So the people are on edge by that guy that was trails in camp Bennett Hirschhorn hit me with left a left hand as he confirmed when call into the show years ago. But in all in all seriousness, the tabloids random out of town, but now we're going to build a statue for him, etc. He is a beloved figure, and I'm one of the guys from New York City, who loved him. And I loved them Yankees. He was he was not besmirch -able unless you were dick young sportswriter. If it's not trademarked let them have it. And you call him Tom terrific in New York. And he wants to be known as Tom terrific. New England fine who I guess? What? Go beat them Gopi, Tom terrific. Wouldn't that be great? What about it be great if the jets? With Levy on bell went up and took care of business against New England on behalf of all the met fans for the jets, that's the way you want to do it. Let him take Tom terrific, let that stoke your own fire can't get tackle the not as in the problem, though, is I as I read on my Twitter feed, I handle of OTA's by Levy on bell. No game here felt so good luck. Or it's only way, the only way to go. The only thing that goes up. 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I think he's a terrific finisher. So when he put down, and I'm sure you can relate to this. I said, you know, at the Joshua is composed and ferocious finisher watch this. And then he got knocked down, so you know, not my not my finest moment as a broadcaster. But certainly, I mean you mentioned Buster Douglas and I wrote about that a little bit foster Douglas Tyson. Lennox Lewis has rock Mon. These are kind of moments that you remember not necessarily where you were but, you know how they unfolded and this is one of those moments where they're all going to remember this as one of the great upsets in boxing history. Well so how did he do it, Chris, I know that he's, he's obviously an unknown realm. On known who's known for suck in his gut. And during the during the way and more than anything else before this fight. Who who is this guy? Well, I mean there are some scorchingly hot bad takes coming in about what Andy REEs is the no he's not. He's not butterbean. He's not just some, you know, club fighter, and this is a guy that top rank Bob Arum invest a lot of time and money in early in his career. He had a great amateur record and the only loss on his pro resume was to Joseph Parker and I was in a heavyweight championship fight, and he lost by the skin of his teeth. So he came in as a pretty accomplished guy. All that being said he was a heavy underdog for reason because he'd never fought a fighter that had the power that Anthony Joshua had. That's why when he was putting the deck so many people myself included, obviously, not Joshua was going to go in for for the finish. And Andrew, we showed something he had never shown, never had to show in his professional career ability to take bigshot recover and give a big shot. Back there. Certainly are questions about anti, Josh was chin after something like this. I think first and foremost, it's about eighty rita's heart, and he's ability to recover from a knockdown, well and Kris Maddox here on the rich Eisen show. It's, it's look it's far bid for me to question, everybody's heart to certainly since, you know, you just put on the gloves, and, and that takes heart to, to begin with all that said, I it was kind of bizarro, Anthony Joshua, didn't like completely flip out after he was counted out and then was seen smiling and taking pictures with the guy who knew just beat them. Did you find his post loss reaction odd? Chris, I found it on not as odd as maybe the casual observer of Anthony Joshua. Would he just kind of very aloof guy and a very he doesn't kind of fit the Mike Tyson, mold of this assassin, even Lennox Lewis Wladimir Klitschko? He just never had fit that mold in the build up to. To the fight at the press conference Joshua. Let Ruis, try on his belt like put them on his shoulder and take pictures with them. I haven't seen that happen before you know, in, in, boxing, you just kind of fit his personality. The other part of it is. And I've, I've learned this in the last forty eight hours, he was pretty badly can cost after that. Like he did the shots, he took they left him worse for wear, so any kind of, you know, days that he might have been in and, and, and whatever's personality, was, I think the fact they took such a pretty savage. Beating has something to do with it. Kris Maddox of Sports Illustrated, here on the rich Eisen show. So just today Joshua will already with Ruis. They, they're, they're gonna do it again. Right. They, they already. Yeah. Cashed in the rematch that happened. Yeah. Eddie Hearn the promoter just announced maybe half an hour ago that they were triggering the rematch clause. That'll be before the end of the year over in the UK over in the UK. This is yeah. I, I. So what does this mean are we are we back? Here's the heavyweight division back. I mean did disown get in just at the right time? I mean, because it, it kind of seems like we're talking about it a lot more here cra-. Chris. It it one hundred percent does. I mean it, it, it is, you know, in the aftermath, you know, people wonder was bad for zone, they invested and Anthony Joshua, and I don't wanna seem like a company feel here, but immediately afterwards I my first reaction was great for zone. This is what this is what everyone was talking about the YouTube clips of this view tens of millions of times, like all over social media and all over mainstream networks. You're seeing highlights of this fight with design branding. I mean a big problem. I thought zone hat and, and I guess, has a degree is that the awareness factor. They're trying to make people aware of what they are. And how they, you can consume fight through them, most people that like boxing not aware of it. And if this had gone, according to plan, if Anthony Joshua at not doubt released a third round Joshua would have gone on to fight a mandatory title defense against the and Cooper, who lived sometime in the fall, and nobody would have watched now even if it's an afternoon fight in the UK. In the US rather, you're going to see a lot of people invested in and dying to see the rematch been Josh win relief. This is a I think it's a great thing for heavyweight, boxing, and to a lesser degree a great thing for zone. And then res we all have heard about is Mexican heritage is he's a descendant of, of those from Mexico. But he he's from the imperial valley in southern California. I mean so what does this mean for American fighters? The American heavyweight game Chris, I think it's great. I mean, I, I think look, if Andrew is goes to the UK, it's not out by by, by Joshua, which is this thankfully possible? I mean if he goes over there, and gets beat I, I don't know how big a player, he's gonna be able to remain on the, the national states. But certainly he's put himself in position to be a really viable contender over the next year. Plus, and if he can duplicate what he did against Joshua all of a sudden, you have an extremely makeable fight between Andy release and Deontay wilder. But the undisputed heavyweight championship, that's, that's a fight, that's going to resonate with everybody even the most casual fans of boxing. So Andrew, he's, he's out to do it again. But if he can in front of eighty thousand fans in the UK he's gonna make himself a big star put another American figure on that world stage Tyson fury in studio tomorrow. Chris, what do you think is the most important thing to ask of him? Nice and fury is is pure entertainment. I just wanna know you know, like he he's gonna fight the say wilder in that rematch in, in, in February. That's a huge fight in boxing. I'd like to know how he's gonna fight the auntie while there again. I mean he had a great game plan throughout that. I fight but he took a savage knocked down. I'm wondering if he's the same fighter after taking that knock he got up. But I've seen a lot of times rich guys have taking big punch, the wilder believes this that they're not the same after shots like that. So I'm wondering if Tyson. It's gonna be better in the rematch or if he's going to be a step slower in the rematch, the Chris Mannix era and the rich Eisen show, just switching gears and the few minutes, I have left with you here. The knockdown in game two by the warriors to the raptors, do you think that, that is something, the raptors can get up from or are the warriors so battered that this is still a series for the raptors to, to take Chris, where do you stand on the subject? I think the raptors don't have to feel pretty good about their chances of, of pulling off this upset. I mean losing game two is tough. But their star is the most, I don't know what the phrase is singularly focused ambivalent to everything that goes on around him. He just all about basketball and all about winning. And he's been in tougher situations as a member of the Spurs that, that being collide Leonard. So I think he's gonna play extremely well against Golden State. I think he's, he's gonna be great. And, you know, the raptors of shown some mental toughness throughout these playoffs, now it's a bigger stage. No question. But. Being down to zip to, to Milwaukee and that series and coming back, Fred vanfleet, start that series plank, terribly and finished a plane. Great. No, you listen to what the wrap said in the locker after that game you know, they know that they, they caused all this like they, they miss shots and they miss shots. They usually make in that third quarter. I think we've got to have confidence throw in the fact rats that this, this is like a mash unit over there with Golden State Durant's not gonna play. Kevin looney is out, and I got Klay Thompson, his questionable the Klay Thompson. That's a hamstring injury. Any kind of smart coach is going to go at him. And make him prove he can be out there on the floor defensively. So I'm skeptical that they're going to be able to get a lot out of Klay Thompson in that game three so I that's a long way of saying that this, this series is still very much in Toronto in Toronto still the only video. We see Durant is in the tunnel in Toronto barking at Aubrey who he in Klay Thompson were we're barking Drake when we see Durant, you do we see. At all, do think. Yeah, it just like in most postseason series. Everyone plays this close to the vest, man. I have heard from from people that know him that he's going to be back during the series. Nobody's willing to say what game? Or when what you have to watch rich is the practice. It'd be out there on the floor right now. He is practicing in a very, very limited way before he can go out and play big minutes in an NBA game. He's got to go through a full bore practice. And until he does that I'm not going to think about Kevin Durant coming back. Any idea why he's not watching from the bench. Chris. I dunno some guys don't do it. Some guys do some guys don't. I mean, I remember Kevin Garnett when he was injured throughout the years. Never watched games from the bench. I don't think too much, and I'm, I'm glad he was there if he had not travel with the team Toronto. I would've thought something might be out, but the fact that he's there, I don't read too much more into it. And I know you've got ninety seconds left here. So, I'll throw in front of you, the, the supposition from Bill plash Gada here in L A, that, if the Lakers with LeBron would either one out or get out, or the Lakers, would give him an exit visa kyri coming here would obviously take that off the table. What do you get what are your thoughts on that subject right now? Yeah. I mean, I think if they do with in for agency and maybe more importantly, they with on the trade market, because I've long believed that, that was their most realistic path to getting a better player. I mean, we all look at Anthony Davis, but Bradley Beal someone, I think could be more realistic wants Washington settles on a general manager. They're gonna wanna start clearing some salary to rebuild. And you know, Beal is, is pricey. But he's been proven his work, the the, the money over the years. I think the ways would be interested in, in some of the peace of the Lakers have offer Bundy, if they whip on everything, and they go into training camp with largely the same group, I think they'd approach LeBron about it out, because from the Lakers perspective, you've got to think that it's LeBron goes, we're not in a terrible position. Our contracts, aren't bad. We've got this young talent. We back trying to grow in a more organic way, obviously wanna keep LeBron around and build around him with other stars. But it might be mutually beneficial ca part. Ways if you don't get get things done through the month of August. But I think they'll stretch it out rich, I think we'll be into September October started training camp before any kind of conversation like that takes place because you're still going to see guys and some movement. I think deep into the summer Chris, thanks for the call. We'll chat before the draft if not before that. Anytime rich. You gotta that Kris Maddox of Sports Illustrated joining us here. Not many boxing NBA, hybrids out there. It's an interesting line that. That manic straddles right there. So LeBron can't go anywhere. Because of his trade, no trade clause. Keep that in mind or this is just again stuff that we're filling the echo chamber with between now and tomorrow night's tip off of game. Three perhaps more more property for that. I do want to say one more thing before we'll take phone call. And then we'll do our Twitter. Asks hashtag, ask rich we did talk in the first block about Brady taking the Tom terrific wanting to take what is available to him to take and how we did discuss the. Vitriol coming from New York City in Tom's way. We did leave one important aspect of this out, and that is the news that was announced a couple of months ago. Tom Seaver is suffering from dementia as leaving from public life. And it is the fiftieth anniversary of the sixty nine Mets coming up this year. The Mets are going to honor that team all hopes that Seaver would be there for that or now. Dashed. They are a large discussion of a of a Seaver statue being built outside of city field, which I think is the least the Mets should do so there is a sense and a sensitivity on this subject that it is ill-timed for Brady to try and make a play for that phrase, even though it is available to him. It is something that he can go and get that, as Seaver is suffering, and publicly letting it be known for the first time might just that's where I think the sleazy word is coming from boomer size. And also don't know when Tom apply. Of course, we don't know and this before the of course, are exactly right. It's not like gala. What does he got dementia? Let me go get his right. I got this. Of course, I think you can flat out doubt if the case. Yeah. But just I wanted to throw that out there for everyone to, to figure out on all that, Rick and Fort Lauderdale. Let's take your call here at the rich Eisen show. What's up, Rick? What are you doing? How are you, man? I'm doing great, even though it's the start of hurricane season here in south Florida. So you can imagine how soon the weather, and how we're going to be up in Pinson, needles vilo Brockman. Hey, Rick Brockman, I'm gonna be honest with you after that the other night, I was not as confident going into last night. But they, you know, they might do to pull out a win. And here we go with now. It's the best three so. Yeah. Yeah. Thank collect your Bruin. Okay. You're not a blues fan to you Rick like that. New york. Yeah. I am a blue fan, so. Wow. So you're like a Yankee New York Yankees Saint Louis blue fan. That's, that's, that's a, that's a rare Maxon. I've never heard that one before and Louis Cardinals New York. Knicks and Miami Dolphins. Okay. There you go. Right now. You are all out. Now, you you've said something the last the last few months, you've said something that I'm gonna I'm wanting to put a little friendly wager. Hey, when the Super Bowl is in town at Joe stone crafts, which I have connections to say, okay, Rick and as you know, we're gonna we're hosting the Super Bowl so I'll be around town. I'm over drivers. So most like you might someday pick you up and give you a ride or this is all coming into shape. This is good. Okay. Can we go? Here we go. All right. One of the one of the wagers is going to take two years to take place because you said recently after feces that great spot of becoming a third left-hander with three thousand strikeouts, youth said that the closest pitcher, which is burned under would not achieve the perfect of three hundred three thousand and I'm gonna willing to say that Bernanke is going to pick least forty one and he will become the member of the three hundred three thousand clubs. That's number one. Okay. Rick, number two, not only do I think that Brockman boys, and your boy, Tom Brady will not be hoisting, the Lombardi trophy, my house at the house. I'll forward the rock, I'm gonna willing to say that he's not even gonna be playing because I have it down to a fourteen rates in both the AFC NFC and Brockman patriots are not one of them. I'm gonna take it. Step further. My dolphins are going to go three and thirteen with the chosen at quarterback, but kept number fifteen Dan Marino's birthday when they come down to the rock that will be one of our three wins that we'll have to see him but my fourteen gave see rich I have the Browns teeth chargers and got I can't remember the fourth one and in the NFC I got Rams Cowboys eagles, and thanks biting for thank you. Thank you for the call, Rick. There you go. He's really out there. He was he used like Paul Pierce making all these predictions all over the place. I mean, I okay, so I, I one Justin Verlander is thirty six. Yeah, let's just stick to that one. Because the NFL stuff we add got miles to go before we. He's got two hundred thirteen wins a rare win. It's a ton of ws man. He he'll get the strikeouts. He's at twenty eight or nine so sometime next year he'll pass thousand bright but yeah, two hundred thirteen Winston. These eighty seven history. That's a lot of wins. That's a lot of win a lot of wins. And we're in the danger where where I've innings maybe. Well, we have we have AJ Hinch on the show coming up later this week, we should ask him how, you know, it's Overlander had Sixers five here. Keep it fair. Keep affair. He's got nine this year so far. So he might get to twenty wins. He's on a team that, that he looked the how old is just Inver lice thirty six. Okay. So five more years, he would need he would need at least seventeen wins in each each of the years. Yes, good news for him. He's on a team that can win one hundred every year. True. So all he's got to do is win seventeen to eighteen percent of the games that the Astros play. And if up by the way, look at me do in math like this. And I'm a verbal guy though, if he if he gets about thirty thirty five starts out of the one hundred sixty two he's got he's got a win like seventy percent of his starts to hold on. Let me think by the way, I'm almost accurate and all that math off the top of my head, which by the way, I don't know where the hell that came from. Okay. So he is started fifty two games for the Astros. And that's in a year. Plus, that's any year and you're in a quarter. Plus, so he's probably funny. He's coming up on two full years with the Astros. This trading deadline. He's got fifty two starts. He has thirty wins. So that's only fifty eight percent of his star. He's going to have to really he's going to have to pitch long into his career. He's going to have to tell Kate. I'm already home eventually. I don't know how, you know exam. I'm just trying to put on perspective. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. Eight four four two zero four rich number to dial a when we come back. You've got a few more minutes to just hashtag, ask rich Senate to at richeisenshow. Brockman, you've got a whole bunch of questions. I got a whole bunch of quite a lot of football stuff. All right. That'll be coming up next on the rich Eisen show. Coming soon to podcast, one, the G G podcast with Rick box jas hall, and Todd ROY, log on to see the world behind the east sports you love. And find out what good game really means from the trio, who's taken the business by storm, including the three time NBA champion behind team, echo FOX. Download new episodes of the G g podcast every week on apple podcasts and podcasts one. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of AP news headlines, right after this podcast. Get bill. Going yard, full count pitch here it is, and Seger hits in high, the air date till have Senator failed. It is back as. Three run home run for Cory Seager. Dodgers strike first tonight in Phoenix. It's three nothing. Yeah. Ring yard. I mean, the Los Angeles Dodgers are absolutely unstoppable, their forty two and nineteen. And we could talk about Seger, being back from his from his Tommy John surgery and hitting hitting like that. And obviously, what Bellinger has done. He is just stepped his game up from a high level already to be MVP type stuff. And he the way he throws people out from the outfield. So we're talking not just hitting defenses will ever nine and a half game lead in the National League West right now. Riot to has just been on stout. Well hinge. In Rio is part of last night Walker bueller went eight innings eleven strikeouts. No walks to hits. The starters are twenty one and two with an ERA of two point two three since April twenty fifth. With two hundred twenty eight strikeouts. 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A Callaway golf dot com. Bueller became the fourth Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher to throw eight or more innings allow two or fewer baserunners in strikeout, eleven and more batters last night, the other pitchers are named Clayton Kershaw did it twice. Don Sutton, think you've heard him. He's in the baseball hall of fame and sandy, Koufax twice. That's your stat right there. Oh, jeez. And it's the their winning percentage though. Not the best in baseball slightly better than them is the are the Minnesota Twins who've won forty of their first fifty eight twins have never done that in the history of their franchise. And in the the Astros won their fourth in a row last night. They've got a nine game lead in the west SIA SIA to use the Michael Kay phrase, the twins an eleven and a half game lead in the central. I'll tell you what there's a problem for pace ball. That's brewing right now with half of the divisions in baseball, basically being over and it's the first week of June. Be slightest lead right now that Phillies have lost five in a row, the Braves almost caught they've caught him in the loss column. And the brewers are one game head of the cubs, they're tied in the loss column, and then the Yankees are two and a half in front of Tampa. That's your baseball update right there. I know. Right. Wow. And one play last night. I don't I just wanted to throw out. I saw it on on Twitter yesterday last night, the Astros are playing the Mariners and there's one out and is a ground ball to short short stop charges it for the Mariners catcher thinks he's going to try and turn to. But his momentum was carrying him home. So the shortstop through home to get the guy I just I'm just watching it. Right. And the ball the ball, hit the base, like I mean, literally hit the back part of home plate because it skipped all the way to the wall. The reason why did that is because the catcher is backing up. I adding I've never seen that before my entire life is you got everyone should see that. I mean it was a perfect throat to home. I mean it skipped off the back part of the home plate. I'll retreat it right now on. Oh, gosh. All right. Well, we've never done this before but necessity being the mother of invention. Sometimes let's get to the first ever richeisenshow asked me almost anything the AMA right here. Okay. So we got a lot of great football questions. Okay. Here is I thought this woman's great. Our best. We re tweeter of tweets at say a K K zinn build your own quarterback with traits of other quarterbacks in the NFL, for example, Mahomes, arm Cam smile. Roger snark, etc. I mean build a quarterback. So use an arm na. I'm saying like you would rather have no homes like what Tom Brady's head, what you're saying, but I mean how many how many quarterbacks do I need to use as many as you want? Why? I mean you gotta use arms legs and head right. And personality feed saying. You gotta give me. I mean you gotta give me something here. It's through five five hundred five okay by that I will take Mahomes, his arm. I will take Rogers escape ability. Okay. I will take Brady's heart. I will take. Brady's head. And then I will take mayfield's personality. That's that's my quarterback. I like that. And I know I could take Russell Wilson's legs. But nobody throws on the run like Rogers. I'm sorry. He's like, Federer the uncorked throw and I know that we've got Mahomes now but in terms of Mahomes arm. That's, that's that's, that's my I'm sticking to it. What else thinks he can throw throw ball hundred yards? I who would put a pass them. What else are you going to say okay, from big smooth, smooth TV do you think? Our jets have a realistic chance of making the playoffs. What Brockman and money Mike. Okay. Realistic chance. Of course. I think they've got a realistic chance. You put an you get loving on bell to move the chains score. I mean the red zone should be a little bit better for them with him alone. A better weapon to open everything else up. Donald makes fewer mistakes, gays draws it up. Properly Jamal Adams chain elps changed the culture. With Greg Williams and his lunacy and all works out with him and Joe vet. And the jets win ten games and make the playoffs. It's obvious. Gave you Vitton on. It's all in Tim doors. You've got to stay healthy and not make mistakes. But that's my rosy scenario, right there. Anything else at bunch crease. Oh chances. Vikings go to the Super Bowl and the next two years. I sound like Peter King when I'll say seventeen point three percent, and like I don't know it's on Kirk cousins arm, and we'll see how the rest of everything stands up dalvin cook. Stay healthy what's going on with that offense? It really is on cousins period. End of story. And if everyone else can stay healthy. Your next what else at being machine three? Right. Name. We just mentioned him is Baker Mayfield. A top ten quarterback. Jay Glazer had him over Russell Wilson. This week. We're in his athletic. Yeah. I heard he's on a radio. Let's do it right here. Okay. Top saying quarterback Baker may to write them down here. I just mentioned Brady Rodgers breeze. Three big band or go there. Philip Philip luck. And we now now now I gotta stop here and just see where else I'm going those names Allen on air. And Cam, we yet Cam Matt Ryan seven. Russell wilson. I'm sitting I'm just gonna Russell Russ. Yes. Our at seven. Kirk cousins, Sean lock's him on are not yet. I'm I'm, I'm Lovin Baker. I'm I'm sensing it. I feel it. I love I really do. I can throw Mahomes, obviously the Pat, the patch will. Somebody's at eight breeze. I did already. In they're not putting Gough in their putting anybody else from the American the the the analyst in there right now. Not even went Siamese. Did see how he's doing car. Dak gotta put the metro to put Matt Ryan. I would say, Baker complaint self into that right now. 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BONUS: Teddy Atlas on how he would change Anthony Joshua

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BONUS: Teddy Atlas on how he would change Anthony Joshua

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Commentator has a terrific podcast of his own called the fight with teddy atlas also does great charity work with this foundation. Which won't ask him about a little bit later in the show teddy. Good to see a man. How's everything going good. See you because everything's everything's going good considering we're living in a crazy world right now. Are you know crazy in a lot of ways. But we're here and grateful to be here and grateful that have family around me. Yeah no question. I wanted to talk to you. Because i'm still kind of buzzing over what we saw with. Anthony joshua and alexander. Ucf and you spent part of your career a big part of your career training working with heavyweights. You work with michael moore. Of course alexander. Pevec in more recently. Just tell me what you were seeing when you watched joshua fight lucic you know. I was lucky enough to predict like mickey the great nikki used to say even a blind squirrel finds an aide corn once in a while so i was lucky enough to predict. Who's going to win that. Fight on my podcast and do a fight plan to greg down. But so i saw what i thought i would say to be quite frank. I saw a new civic a more complete fight. More developed complete fight more dimensional but as long a guy mentally that may surprise some people. Maybe i don't know to hear me say that. But i saw a guy that is i believe swung mentally than than joshua i mean. I don't think that you would have saw joshua fall. Apart the way or i should say i don't think you would have found found those two four part. The way that joshua did against release had time you know mentally physically you know in in all the dimensions that he did just like. I think quite frankly furious mentally strong a guy than than dion to out. So i i sense that all when i break down and fight i try to look at all dimensions and i also saw a guy who knows how to win. A lot of people pooh-poohed me. When when i made that a big deal on my podcast out a win. But what about his left. What about the right. What about what about the right hand powell. What about the side. Yeah i get it but Some people know how to win better than others and he even tangibly physically showed that because ouza guy ahead three nuts in the my caught. Some of those crazy judges. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing but i can only speak for myself. He was edry nothing. And then i saw joshua catch up and he slowly started catching up. He even the fight up but then every time. He defied up the man who knows how to win. Mr music went ahead the next round. He didn't let to go by get into bank with a momentum. Would've got on the wrong side either. Let that happen why he knows how a win. That's why and i. I also saw right from the beginning. Chris the difference to me. I made a note on my scorecard. I said it's a difference right here. First round the of one guy snapping it out the other guys pushing it out. You guess what you don't need teddy atlas to tell you the guy snapping it out is probably gonna do better and And it also. The jeb is a light detector for me in boxing because when a guy pushing jeb. He's telling you he. He's looking for one punch. He's telling you you don't mean to tell you that. But that's that's what he's telling you. It's a polygraph tests. He's telling you yeah. I'm only looking for one punch. And that's where i'm really got my conscience. I'm really not sure all the areas. I'm not really together and all the other areas. And that's what he was telling me and that's what he was telling whose it was more born that i'm just looking for the right hand and i'm going to land and i'm gonna win and oh i hope i'm gonna win and ewsweek was snapping it out controlling a guy with the jam and to me. A lot of things came afterwards. I get it but That was that was the concentration of the fight that was those the core of the fight right there and then of course like i would always say on. Espn you know. You set the table with the jab. Then you eat with the power punch he did. He set the table. Ninety eight with the left hand you know. And i thought he could've knock them out. I'll be honest with you. But i i thought he played. It's a smart. I if you listen to him i believe is an honest guy. He listened to his going. I believe he did and they said played sates. Don't go for the knockout. The guy still does have to right here and we did. And so i just saw. That's what i saw her more complete guy a more constant guy a guy on a win in a guy who caesar jeff to top away part of the success. Teddy as you. Well know of any fighter in any fight is the strategy. They have going into the fight. Joshua came in at one of the lightest weights of his career. He came in looking to seemingly to my is looking to box more with that. Bully him around the ring. What did you think of the strategy joshua employed in this fight. i think that is representatives of way. He is mentally after the louise fight. He lost a lot of his confidence in laws. He never got back. Humpty dumpty fell down into a million pieces and you know what he never quite got never quite. I don't think he got quite put back together. Again it's a polygraph test. It's telling you that you know he. He doesn't believe in certain dimensions us to believe it within himself. You know he. He's not so sure about being the biggest guy anymore. now now. it's more about being careful now. It's more about being safe. Now is more about are getting hurt you know and and win a fight. His thoughts thinking those dimensions. Guess what he's got a problem is he's got a pi. It's like if you will gunslinger back in old days. The old west you know and you made a living doing that new you start worrying about getting shot you probably it game ideal off the game my little because guess what that's the business you're it and and you better not show you better not wear it on your sleep. And he showed it. He thought by coming in that light. I believe again that he's going to be he's thinking going in that. Hey i'm i gotta be careful. I got a you know. I gotta be as nothing. Wrong would be more responsible. I teach guys to be more responsible to be better defensively. That's great but this is a little different does went into the mental terrain. A little bit the the the inner workings of a fighter. The police system the confidence on from fighter. You know that. That is really at the core of things and i at. He's no longer the big guy. The funny thing was everybody you know. He's twenty pounds heavy but he wasn't really the big guy no more. You know everybody said gonna win. He's three to one favorite because the big guy says but he kind of gave up some of that. Big guy so so-called advantage you know. And then i'm looking at the advantage going in when i was handicapping it where what about the smaller guys advantage. Spin faster better legs. you know. Quick hands you know. Technically being more dimensional. As i mentioned earlier you know having not learned how to lose. I think that was a big deal. I used a coin that phrase on. Espn this guy never learned how to lose and the other guy learned how to lose any accepted. It is easier is easier to do to get. It is and that's one of the things to say. Bother me because i think it's a decent guy joshua but as a professional trainer. I think i think it was a little didn't bold well with me to see how easily he accepted defeat. Just i get it. I want my guys to be gentlemen too. I wanted to be gracious in defeat. I know that. Saying as well as anyone else i get it. But there's something to be said about a sore loser. And i just. I just didn't see that in child shore night in see the night that he lost to to be quite frank and that was that was a criticism of him after the loss dandy release to. It almost seemed like he was okay with losing his titles. Losing for the first time. But i want to ask you the confidence you speak of that. Anthony joshua may have lost after. Andy ruis kenna fight or get that back. That's a good question chris. I'm going to say listen. They got to reconcile a lot of things to get back and they got a regular who they are and they reconcile why they're fighting of. I was dead so say it's make believe i was trading. The first thing i would do is i make them watch tape of the clinical fight when he got dropped into gun. Up said look at you. You're the different guy there and they look at me while no no no look at you. Why did you get up. you didn't get up against ruis. Why did you get up here. Why why that's the man i want. Why because you felt you had to. You don't feel you have to anymore you have to and if you have to your cat if you have to your cat but you you to add my theory on it and i would have walked through this my theory on. I would've said him because you were in front of x. amount of thousands. I don't know what the number was but six sixty plus brits you did not want to lose in front of them you did not want to be submitted. You did not want to be conquered. You refuse to why why but in madison square garden. You did and that's what i would. That's where i would start as where my training would start with. It would start. Yeah it would. It would evolve into technical things obviously but it would have to start with that. It would have it would have to stop. What's the good of having a ferrari in the indianapolis five hundred or whatever freaking racism ferrari racist. What's the sense of having that with all that horsepower. Onto the engine. If the eight no good let me put it in a in a context of your own career and it's not apples to apples of course but when michael moore was stopped by george foreman and trained him for subsequent fights was he the same fighter after that. No but we had to get back to be that guy. We had to get back to be that guy or closest help closest help and i've found a way to do it in my mind. I sat him down. I watched the fight. I said let me tell you right now. If you laws every round of this fight was going into the foul was five five of five floor. Whatever the figure. It is You know what. I might tell you not to fight no more but it was. It was ted buxton. Was ted nothing. You're the better fight. You fight like a world champion. Maybe it was my fault you laws. He looked at me what i said. Maybe it was my full year loss. Because because i wanted you to feel like a world champion so much that you probably went after more than you should love. And you should've but that guy hasn't been raised. He's still that that guy still there if you want them to be there the joshua's style he's never fought teddy like a fighter who six six two hundred sixty plus pounds. Is that something that thirty one years old this stage of his career he can change. I mean we saw it happen with lennox. Lewis wladimir klitschko among others. Can he become a better big man at this point of his career if he wants to if he has to visit urgency part of the thing that i saw the difference when he got up flow klesko and madison square garden with res was obviously where he was the geography of the fight. Who was fighting in front of but it was something to do with zeroes in his bank account. He he didn't have to and so much. I'm sure that he didn't articulate that in his head he didn't think it out that way. But but those things attack us subconsciously. Through osmosis of your will they do. And that's why it's up to a train to kind of like be that that that shrink that that private detective the guy who's always searched. That's what you gotta be. You're going to be a trainer. You know dealing with these kind of things at this kind of level you you have to. You have to be an explorer you got to explore find these things and And you've got to be looking for them and i. The ads again is yet. If it's urgent enough there. It has to be urgent enough to him and a new urgency doesn't have to come from obviously or be taken away from the because of the bank account it has to do with personally within. Who do you wanna be. Who do you wanna be. You know and you can get the can't but who do you wanna be. Who do you wanna go to bed with. Who do you make a bit. Actually day really. That's what it comes down to. It really is as george foreman. I have more respect. The george foreman. I love george. Slim i love. We don't wanna fight. Aj's like i. But i i loved. I really genuinely loved it. Because of the man he is what he's what he made himself become and how he did it and you know that guy he he had to ramble round inside of an empty house. And i'm going say the house was him the house who's him he had to he had to ramble round in that empty house of himself for ten years to to find out who he was to be able to go out there and really know who we was because you know what he now got a lot of. Nobody's i mean he knocked out. Joe frazier. That's not a nobody. I get it but the style does size. Whatever you want to say frazier coming off that that people don't realize how blue that fight was that i fight was for fresh. Forget about alley but for frazier. How rule that fight was what it took out him and he was swollen and georgia. He was made to order for the uppercut all of that. I get but it's kind of almost like it's almost like the rocky movie rocky. Three where i think. It was rocky three where he was getting. Ready to fight club lighting. And and mickey says to. I don't want to fight in this guy now. I wanna fight him on. Whether you're talking about. I got the worry about the chapel. I don't want to fight. Finally mickey was forced to go. He didn't wanna go as i wanna them to. Champion the word on the basil. No you're not. you're not good enough to affect. What are you talking about him. I beat all those guys. They was setups. Days was setups and all of a sudden he started thinking was i ever champ of the world who the frigging night that form and had to go through and my who who am i all. I love george four. I'm telling you if you look at things. The way i do you understand why i love them because i understand what a dog place he had to go through and he had to green his own freaking lantin. Nobody gave them a light and and that's what he did. Well that's what joshua would have to do. Charge would have to do and be willing to do and have somebody to explain to them that you gotta dote last question for you. The joshua when he lost a ruis took the immediate rematch and was successful. If you were working with anthony joshua would you advise him to take lucic on an immediate rematch. No if i was chained. I make the rules. That's why you know it's why not. Everyone wants me to train. And that's fine. That's fine because i don't want to train with everybody by the way and So no i would. I would demand one fight with me. One fight that ted. i've five. What with may training through a full camp that we got. How would you try to change him. The way i just talked about with it. I would like technically is there. I mean well first of all. Yeah technically i want them to be able to walk and chew gum into same time. You know to me. He's either making your mess. Always on offense. I want to be able to the two together. Perfect example was at the end where he was getting. You know touched up a little bit and he. He's he's just offensive and he's he's like he's like a fence swinging in the wind he's way off wail well. I want to make those moves more. Concise just enough. Just no good you go to for you get the guy a chance to reload instead. Simple so so. I want them to move just enough to make the guy messed up about. Be writing position counteract right back be able to kinda right by after he makes gosh not the way over here way over here where he allows a guy who maybe jones at phone two punches. Now he's he's rose seven. I would throw seven to if you make no moves out. Why because i know. I got time to seven because i know you're handcuffing yourself in that kind of defensive posture i know in my book is long. You gotta make them tighter moves and you got always in position with your mind and your body to punch that. Would you mind too that you want to punch right back to stop the guy for going on runs to stop the guy from getting consonants so that would be part. Obviously that would be one part of it and the other big part of the would be the jet. Not only pushing it. I don't wanna push them snapping into not relying just on the right hand not telling the whole world it you because that's what you don't you push your jim. What do you think the other guy thinks you're trying to come on. You think you're the only guy that knows she'll look into all right hand. No everybody knows so. I would work on the jeff sapna but like i used to say to fighters i i wanna teach you to make your jim speak all the languages. I don't want to speak in. Just one language. And i would get this guy to do other things that yet. You know he he. He's not doing nothing he's just looking at the right hand i get them to talk to jeb so much than when he to the right hand. You'd be surprised no well. I think it's great advice. Teddy it's always great to catch up with a you. Tell me you're bringing your foundation events back are you going beyond the virtual world this year. Right yes sir. Thank god. Because i'm not good in a virtual pretty good teddy. Just getting on him of me makes me feel proud that i could even do this. I mean after time worried about one up on the food channel or something. Because i know what the hell do but I am a caveman. But no we'll come back november eighteenth. We'll call them back without dinner. We get a thousand people. We we used to get fifty sixty celebrities. George foreman came one year. Sugar ray leonard you know We're lucky tony dance of phil. Simms bhopal sells whatever on this year. We're getting tracy morgan. Just beautiful man and We get mauve album. He just retired the greatest. I think the greatest will definitely the greatest basketball commentator full-time from maybe the greatest common sports broadcasts of all time but And we're gonna do as we always do used to do it at the hilton all talents. That hopefully everyone comes back. We get it thousand people. 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'Combat Sports News & Clubb Bangerz (#7): Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder' ft. Clubber D the Combat G (Ball & Buds Podcast Episode #27)

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'Combat Sports News & Clubb Bangerz (#7): Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder' ft. Clubber D the Combat G (Ball & Buds Podcast Episode #27)

"What a pleasure. What up friends and welcome to the ball and podcast. I'm your host omar on second and as always thank you for tuning in well. Yes episode number twenty seven. Yeah we just keep going. We just keep going we stop. And maybe the ball and buds. Podcast it's not stopping. Get onto hype train now before loses you and get ready to rock and roll. This episode is going to be amazing. You are going to get everything from cluber. Defeat the combat g on all of the ufc. Boxing all the stuff we have coming up so get ready for that. But i you know how we need to start things here on the ball and bird spot with omar's overture so let's kick this bad poorly off. Woo another week my family. Thank you for coming back. Thank you thank you for joining me. You know i love ya. I love ya and hoped your head a blessed week. I really do So let me kick this off. We're going talk about a things before. I get you or d. The combat achieved for what you really came for gonna be hilarious episode as usual in store so prepare for that. What what let me clear my throat. Why why why. Why did you send me to florida omar to watch this trailer. Pay-per-view okay now only. There's some cuts. Yes bleep this out most talk in scream during the ten count for nine eleven. They had to kick that somebody else that they that out. I don't care. I don't care what the nights i am on one club in the place to be okay. I'm looking at trump right now. Trump is in that building. Jd on commentary with trump is trump junior so it was crying faces. Cripes iraq gang bang bang bang so was gay. Breadbox vidal tried the worst cometary. Who ever heard my life damn son. Where'd you find this. This is low budget. this is basically a upn. A a bt uncut telemundo uncut anything you can think of that low budget. This is what this event is okay. Oh wow wow. Oh my brother. Wow down breed woo usa. My brother has all good. We're gonna let cluber de calm down for a little bit. He is clearly heated from when we sent him to miami. So you'll get the rest of that live. Update he did later on in the episode. That being said you're going to get a lot of things today. you also get cluber. Live in london for the anthony. Joshua olexander fight. You will get him. Live in cleveland for the tyron. Woodley jake paul fight and you will also as just mentioned have him live in miami for that chiller fight between abandoned holyfield and vitor belfort few weeks ago so we will entertain you with all of those clips of him live in those locations. We sent him to to cover for the ball in buds. Podcast he is our number one corresponding cluber de the combat g. Your and my combat sports insider. Yes we are so thankful for him that he flies all over the world for us and at the end of the episode. You'll get yes. Cluber dis club. Bangers been awhile since we heard a club bangers his predictions for the big fight tomorrow. Saturday october the ninth tyson. Fury deontay wilder in las vegas. We are sending him out there for the fight. He has given us his prediction. And so you'll hear that here at the end of the episode as well and you will get by predictions in my epilogue. Just a couple of things before i get you to him that i did want to talk about some major things that happened this week. We had the facebook outage so what's app instagram facebook. All down for six hours. The whole world freaked out. I didn't notice. I don't really use either either of those. The only time i use. Whatsapp is to talk to my mom and the other two i barely use or ever get on so i didn't notice until i saw all the commotion. I teach digital marketing. As you all know and so is i tell my students and as i will tell you right now i gotta diversify your channels because a audience first of all ain't going be on every channel anyways you gotta be where your audience is all times but on top of that we don't have control over these platforms. These are own channels of ours right. We don't own those channels. They can go away at any moment as you saw the grabbing my space in vine so my personal opinion facebook is going to go away at some point in the next five years ten years. It's going to be like my space us. I will diversify channels. My friends make sure you are trying to target your audience on all of those channels advertising to them on all of those channels because you never know when we can lose these platforms and we don't own these channels if we lose that platform boom just like that. We lose our information so first party data very very important especially going with in this new cookie world and other stuff with apple update. We need to be able to get first party data from our customers. Our audience the wave of the future my french. Trust me your digital marketing expert. Some good cafe anyways the other big story. The mlb playoffs start today. Actually astros in white sox cluber dis favorite team. The white sox are playing right now and the about to go watch the rest of the game but yes it started today so let me tell you what the bracket looks like after the red sox beat the yankees and after the dodgers beat the cardinals in the al division series. We have the houston cheating. Astros the houston. astros fucked him cheaters for being cheaters. We ain't gonna let you get over yet. I think y'all still beginning lucky. You have dusty baker one of the most classiest managers ever. He deserves everything he gets. Because the rest of the offals don't deserve nothing. And i hope the white sox whip that as and and they may be my pick to go away. I haven't decided yet. I have my mlb episode that. We are doing this week with mike wasabi or this weekend actually so you were here my predictions next week but the white sox are high on my list and in the other match up of the division series. We have the red sox versus the tampa bay rays who always seemed to get in there with a bunch of wins even though they have a low payroll and in the national league division series after the dodgers beat the cardinals in which what which was a thrilling game. My friends if you didn't see that game that game was awesome. We'll tailor a to run. Will taylor chris taylor. Who will taylor is. chris. Taylor hit a two run home. Run for the dodgers to win the game and in the night and it was awesome. It was awesome. I was about to to was falling asleep on the couch. I was like man games. One one. I'm going to be mad if i go to sleep. I'm god i stayed up and watched a game because it was good but i was doing couch for a second. Maybe i need to go to bed. Got work in the morning. I was like i can't do. It can't do it. I gotta stay up and push through. And i did them. Happy that being said the other match in the national league we have the milwaukee brewers versus the atlanta baseball team. I i the atlanta baseball team. Go mets anyways But yeah we got your match ups you also eight teams left again since i took so long saying that raise red sox. White sox astros cheating astros. Giants dodgers atlanta baseball team. And the milwaukee brewers. anyways. Let's go live to london site where we sent cluber de the combat g for the anthony joshua fight. Let's check out with what he had to say when he hit us up live from their enjoy the show my friends and nah without he is our come back. Sports insider cluber de the. I'm beck new. Bridges falling down falling down falling down. London bridge is falling down his. Aj saulters cotton omar omar omar h your main man cluber de dicamba combat. G crossed upon in the place to be yes. I'm still here. London house at tottenham's hosts for Arena which was amazing for this. Aj lucic fight. And you know what. I'm saying. I was out there. Me carl frosh out seeing lennox lewis. You know what i'm saying. I was trying to call slick which you know saying. He was in america at the time. But you know. I'm out here. We're painting a bear and everyone else. We're sitting here watching a fight to kim patties and bad. I was third from the front. So i appreciate ball and bud put me up in a nice lavish hotel. You know what i'm saying. I state not hill. Something light stopped happened. But anyways i was here I had a great time to fight was amazing. The people to atmosphere. This is the problem. Okay i know everyone wants to fight. Mgm was fine vegas but nothing is like when you fight and somewhere like wembley stadium to arena somewhere big when he's big giant venues overseas. It's amazing they put on a show. They they appreciate the spectacle in the atmosphere. What box brings you know what i'm saying. There's none could be compared to this. I'm you'll see that in australia a few times. But you know when they fight and places like a big giant arena some crazy. But as i digress. Let's talk about it. let's talk about. Let's talk about the main events so got. aj anthony joshua the unified heavyweight champion against alexander. Usig okay all the x. undisputed cruiserweight champion tried to make history like van holyfield be undisputed cruiserweight and become unified later become undisputed champion at heavyweight. Hard thing to crews wait you know as as less away hey weights step above but anyways how the fi goal is look at it. Let's look at the stats here. So joshua bigger dude six six or reach about eighty two inches kinda like myself you got. Ucla who's six three arm reaches at seventy eight inches. So he's a small guy. I mean you're saying smaller but man six three big dude rock round his who twentieth sir. Joshua think he's rallied to forty though. He's about twenty pounds in weight but This the problem with joshua okay. We all know When you made his american professional debut Fighting for first time in america he did once amateur but when he fought indra injuries and ms square garden. We all know he got knocked out four times and knocked out rocco by go to sleep. You know aw the rematch. When he four weeks re-submit healing train twice a week. He came in doughy. He couldn't cut off the rain from joshua in joshua al box which was still on his back pedal he was running a little bit but it used to fat too. Lazy didn't take shares lost belts but anyways keep that mind so when joshua fight somebody will power and that can is a good boxer has good hands. he's not so good. He's been cracked before dealing white cracked before Klitschko sent to the canvas. You know so joshua my main issue with this guy. He's not like in hit. You know he's he. I'm not as pretty boy. But he's a pretty boy. Okay he does not like in hit okay he rather if he can knock you out early. He's going to do it if you can't knock you out early. If his game paint doesn't work he folds so what happened is a great fighter. Both of them are olympic gold. Medalists you know they wanna same year. Lustig is a little older as thirty. Four boyd outboxed him. The first it was tagging them left and right. Now that now josh would come back around lake Was it four to six four forty seven. I give those josh. He came back and he showed some heart after. That was a seesaw battle. And i swear. I think it was round nine usa him with an overhand left. I mean he. He knocked efficient ships out of them. I mean it was almost teatime me. He was wobbly knows and he. He did the british. Thank you leg but this issue. You're six six. You got longer reach. Why are you crouching down. Two boxes mash shorter than you. Why aren't you imposing your will. that's something we'll tyson. Fear in deontay wilder would do what they lost my small. They're not going to sit. There crouch down and try to get to their level and alpbach. Some were or or afford their overhand. Because you don't want your head up air you don't want to go to sleep scared again. Hit i mean this is. This is ridiculous and then around twelve ron. Eleven twelve yousef took over. I mean he woman his ass. I mean it was bad. And then they reigned bell five seconds early. It's around twelve teen off on his ass almost not carolina's head. I mean he has a little small. Some i don't ask her or whatever it is would would demand in their whatever but you know he almost knocked them out and then at the end around and if i joshua leapt over a on a on a stool looked like he just ran a marathon or something. It was ridiculous. He got outclassed and outworked and now we have a new unified champion. Okay has all but one major belt ahead wait. His plan already is he. Wants to winner of the fight between wilder and fury which happens next week. I'm still waiting on my tickets in my So get on where you need to get on saying sending out omar but anyways he wants to he wants to have built he wants to. Wbz bill he wants to be undisputed meaning. He has all the belts okay. That's something josh could've done but he was too busy. Flaking a low ball and deontay wilder for potential of mashed against him so now that joshua laws he's already mentioned. Oh i'd i'd fight wilder out a why not fight him. Also now you wanna fight him but before you didn't wanna fight him stuff works you know saying back. The was the my jones term. I forgot it was terrible so many ways. But that's the thing. Oh yeah back. They know know how they all they boomed there you go. That's somebody there who we don't get sued my house i say now alone. So joshua now has two losses. They're already said they want immediate rematch. Usa does want to waste time. He was like i'm not trying to waste time. I wanna find a game by any year. I don't know that we ought to fight at the end of the year because for loose things. Eddie hearn who's jackson promoter. He already said it. Looks like josh. Have a broken. I sock it. That will recycle might be broken. That's as we take too many punches from there from naji ukrainian sledgehammer. I mean his nickname's the cat. It was all over the place. He's bouncing around. On you know in south america was called elga when we were down there for you. That's another story but Yeah he's new champ. He trains what loma chanko high-tech high-tech chanko lomo change. What his dad you know so. He has great boxing skills. Josh was not a better box. he's already said they fight again. It's going it's going to be in a worse. So if they do a rematch. He wants it to be immediately. But if if josh was orbital socket is broken he might have to just do hush. The commission's up take One of the Mandatory which is joe. Joyce and other a british fighter. He's he's not bad but he'll get he'll get worked So he might have to do that in a time being because we have to fight next week on october ninth between fury water three. I can't wait for that fight. That is i honestly. I think you're gonna have to wait the club. He's not give us prediction just yet but I would say by spring next year we will have undisputed wait about a see. Who is the top dog. Wait after five. Six years of absence cliquot lost the fury. We don't know who the real champion is. Okay in my mind. Fury has always been the world champion until he got popped for a pd's and then went crazy and whatnot. Not you know. Everyone likes us mental health as excuse for something when you get in trouble but you know it is. That's another story neither here nor there but My mind fury is the undisputed champion. He doesn't have all the bells because You know he got had that issue what you know we need to see. Who is the top dog ahead. Wait you know Speaking undisputed i'm to touch on is real quick omar. I'm need you to make a call to kill the plant. And this manhattan okay. I am so happy. He called out our as team. They don't have four fighters get in trouble including camello for having illegal substances in her body. I knew i won't talk about that. You know his team acceder cheaters. Would they got caught cheating more than once. More than twice four times happened. Kayla plan called that stuff out. And then you guide canal alvarez getting mad at him saying he's a motherfucker when you say the same thing to to meet his boob laundry andres dad at you joe saunders at the press conference so you say motherfucker was someone says mother fucker. You is a problem. Who the how can i cut the bullshit. Nilo i respect you. You're are the top dog any boxing. You are the draw. You ought to man but i'm not gonna kick your ass act like you should don't stink. Okay let's be clear. It doesn't work two ways all right. I'm happy kale pink cars. They wanna do to vodka testing. Can i love canal. Charlie rose all those guys. Don't wanna fight in vegas because the district testing. You know what. I'm saying a clean up the sport so take the test vodka while we tests whatever it is whether you have to do you know. Say they'll give magic because he calls ass out and you wanna push the press conference and don't sleep pinella tag him his glasses. They cut his cheek kill pace latin. That's slap connected. So let's be clear about that. I'm not sure kale plan's gonna to win but his daughter fighting is the fighting canal doesn't like he doesn't like these tall linke slick fighters what i'm saying. I thought he lost laura. He lost it I thought he lost the the i g fight Judges have always been canals back pocket when mayweather houses a split decision on how to help you give him more than two rounds in that whole fight. Blood you know is what is not take away from. He's a great boxer but they've done some things to kind of help him out like when his mandatory was one. The charles brothers and then. Wbz mayhem. Afraid shot champion. He lost the belt. Makes absolutely no sense. What hell's the franchise champion. That's i'm getting twenty twenty to be. Calm down sorry. Still over here in england okay. I got teatime at four o'clock. Got a roll here. A little bit but Back anthony joshua person thinks this guy he is on outside looking when it comes to Heavyweights he is now. No longer part of the big three Is ucla wild fury water fury. They'll take apart from usa to get inside. They will impose their will. They will prove that they are. You know water. Six seven six nine. They are gonna prove their height and get inside on the smaller. Use josh woman. So that the duck down to his level and trying to outbox and afraid again hit an and the contrary that his ass hit else would sleep early. Teatime all but Yeah i'm out about roy. I got a meeting with the queen. You don't say talked about her race relations but Iheart man should make cluber d. out and Before i go to say what's up. No i will not tell my mother you said that and you know and anyways she was say hi papi helo anyway but anyways yeah i thought that was a thorough ass-whipping by usig i think joshua has lost it since he got beat by ruis even though he came back doesn't matter like he's just. I thought his confidence was shot from there. And you know he's just hasn't look the same ever since then is the new heavyweight champ waiting on the winner of water and fury who. We'll see tomorrow evening. That being said let's go out. Live live to club or d the combat g. when we sent him to cleveland for the tyrod. Willie jake paul fight already. Gave you my thoughts on that fight in the last episode but these are his thoughts. Take it away. My brother soda to youtube star has crossover finally got into a real fight. Not a high level boxer but retired and we fighter you know. He fought the legend. Tyron woodley a Five time you'll see Welterweight champion the best ever to do it at one. Seventy how that relate order. Box and jake paul. He fought him. You know it is what it is paul one but willie had a good plan shocked me. I thought he was going to be gasped and not a little earlier but he came in very condition but the problem was he wasn't it wasn't swinging. He would not swing. I like oh not demand just do tear. Willie just wasn't swinging enough. I think it's the fifth round when he got paula wildly. Yeah that was cool. Yeah i mean paul one. I'm not. I'm not really impressed. I thought he could pick willie apart as long box. And he's still you know. Don't as power punches office. Backfoot will not following up with a hook. He's not he's nine barely jabbing. I mean this was it is what it is. It was basically a person who just arguing stand up Boxing as someone who's been trained to so little step above but he's still again. I'm not saying about getting we're still at the stage at a. you know. His stance dana. Jake paul was awful but He he wasn't very good looking Well paul wasn't he didn't even fight that well. You know Going on flights where you can say you know what asking anything like that. But i think there's more willie just he wasn't pulling the trigger. I was happy that he was he was getting. He was successful getting into highway. Just wasn't doing anything when got inside besides holding. I mean he won punch stock one punch stock. I mean he wasn't really doing much and He looked a lot better than his last Was it four in the mayfield. That he just just looked terrible in. But i read this again. Probably i will say this omar. You flew me out. you know cleveland. I thought clean was dusty city. But it's not that bad. You know the downtown area. Yes i was sitting next to. Willy's family dacia pail Chapelle only flat dollars. He's my drink when he was trying to talk to willie but that's still later. Yep ocean it is what it is. I'm about to fly back to undisclosed location. Ardo clarity's out you know to combat. The is the place to be in house right next to cover. Willie an jake polls mommy. I'm good at this kind of fuck. You know what to say nothing medical in place to be. I want to touch on some real quick. So september eleventh. We're supposed to have a crossover event. Where may fighters were fighting. You know if you boxers you had asked the delahoya golden boy megastar superstar in boxing gonna fight veto r- belford now feature a bell for the prodigy was one of the best up and coming. You'll see fighters champion and multiple divisions legend in the sport. Okay a legend now when he came back to the ufc on rt. He juiston jacked ready to go. You know ask. Michael visiting about that now and lou brock hold but anyways that's another story so they were in a box on september eleventh on the undercard you've got to hall of fame you'll see may fighters and tito huntington beach bad boy ortiz and enersen spider civil boxing airs spider silver. This third box. He bought some some nobody back in the day. And then he buys Another nobody who say that charlotte junior and beat him easily. So those two are going to bach has now. So he's he's going gonna lose that fight in boxing. But oscar protracted covert so they take him out the main event. So now you've got fifty eight-year-old vander holyfield the real deal. You know what i'm saying. Can you hear me. He can hear me my affirmative here but anyways i saw a video of evanger holyfield just he was. I guess he was practicing shadow. Boxing or whatever and it was awful. You suck ask. He needed to go sit down somewhere. There's no way i don't understand. What commissions alleged man. Box at fifty eight. He did not look good at all. I mean i don't know if there's this show. Maybe he was tired of that day but he looks all fifty eight. You know he looks great. Listen great shape. But his movement the punches i mean it looked like older person finance collection plate in church. You know what i'm saying like didn't want to put up money man. He was fighting eight. Put another another dollar. I put it in there but anyway he looked awful. I i hope this fight go through. I doubt i'll watch it. I don't even what takes do it. You know what i'm saying. Allegedly my stringer but that's allegedly. But i was gonna contact office and have them sent me that money in a takes that they had out there. But i'll be going to watch this one might report on it who knows Depending on how How the reviews go if the alleged streaming service watch i might check it out but I wanna cut from that real quick. I i'm out like a high trump. Say we goes back in a few moments. Lay down off either. You can think of that low budget. This is what this event is okay. I'm not gonna talk about the van. Holyfield fight just yet. Let's start with david. Hey have a glorified sparring session. Who cares you've been gone for four five years you little jim jones go back to london. Some king crump inside. Hey plus arison spider. Silk boxers tito ortiz. Tito ortiz is one of the holidays. Ufc fighters one the first ground and pound people and what he stood up the bossy. Look like damn smalls from damn sandlot trying to fight. How do you push that. That looping of why somebody how did you ever fight but not know how to box you suck yet. Jack ass anderson is. There's a silver upside the head with a two with the one hit acquitted and then followed it up. He fell down like a ton of bricks. I mean he. He looked awful. I mean his head. He looked like that at a baked potato like baked potato won't show when you hit a french pop guy. He felt that laughter barely around thirty six lesson first round and they were doing two minute rounds which is fine. I'm i'm not hating that. But t ortiz came out. You're going looping punches. You look dusty. I don't know why did you train five pounds overweight. Okay embarrassing and here. We go via twitter feed. I'm bill going against hall of famer undisputed not unified undisputed cruiserweight and heavyweight boxing. Champion abandoned. real deal holyfield. we all love 'em host was the man i mean we. If you had the game was thinking genesis was hairline. Was still halfway there to you. But if you didn't it was a fun game. That green guy was hard to be anyways. It means eight years old towards forty four. He's older but come on bro. The fight lasts. Maybe half around you news over when when when when holyfield let's go look and did a windmill fell over. Like i felt the wind. I was in the front row. I felt the my father. Who was that. Lets you agree. Like i felt the wind from his windmill any toppled over through the ropes. Our i thought. I thought he was doing suicide. Suicide dive centre. Here's what i thought he was gonna wwl. And he's a something. A roast and my missing feature veto was like ten feet away. He's rooks dude. Roads feet in the air like santa claus. Going down the strip me. I don't what what was going on here. Haven't veto does another flurry. They stopped the fight. He barely even hits them. You're not one time on a flash flash knockdown. I i think it was just as feet got shipped over but man man man omar. This is embarrassing. I feel sorry for people that bought this. If you were legally download or stream it allegedly kudos to you. Run you might. You might have to pay back to why fiber or a ban with us just to watch this nonsense if you did that. If you order this you need to respond at least get Three things off the ballot menu for free. This is ridiculous. Ridiculous fifty is but what is this. What what is you know what i can't cluber day. I'm i'm not happy to be in the place to be and your mom doesn't even know me on this one. I'm out there see and he was really mad about miami Jeez well that's why we sent him down there on the ball budge. Podcast cast budget. Because i didn't wanna go. I didn't even watch it on. Tv to be honest with you. And even i didn't even stream that should illegally not that i do that anyways and not that we endorse that here at the ball in the cast. But anyways yeah. I'm glad i didn't go. I didn't watch it but he seems a little upset so we might have to make that up to them and get them some good seats. For the fury wilder fight we had to splurge get them. Third row maybe maybe four thr i dunno speaking of it is time for what you all have been waiting for. Yes tyson fury versus deontay wilder and clever dis prediction. Who who who. Who will he choose. We are waiting with baited yes. It's minted baited breath. My friend take it away. I know everybody wants to know what is club. Radice pick who who is club or diga pick. Who does the combat she think will win the rubber match between tyson fury and deonte wilder. Who's gonna win before. I give my prediction. Let's see what led up to this so we all know about the first fight. It was a draw me personally. I thought wilder should one. That count was kinda slow. I kinda slow. The count was low and When weary with furious. I got floored he got up damn near one that round if wow they knock them down fear would win that fight. It was still close. It was a draw. Some people say if you're a one but because of that devastating knockout. Some people gave to wilder giving edge either way. It was a draw bill to the second fight. Second fight i mean fury swishes holtkamp. Camp up start training macron boxing with with with sugarhill legendary Transco for manual store recipes. You know saying nobody number legends in heart in hard hitters came out of a crop. Boxing up there in detroit but Gower sugarhill changes. Oh game playing math. Wilders ass out now louder has um you know a couple of excuses. He said here i. It was His suit was too heavy. But one actually address negro power engine recruiter table with attitude One should look like extra. Game of thrones. You chose look like that. So don't don't blame the suit. That was you buddy. So i said of the suit was actually twenty forty pounds in a long walk. look here you ain't demolition. You're not leaving the dum okay. If it was that bad maybe you should. Johnson arena around like us all awards going. I don't know but don't blame. Don't make excuses now. He fired mark zalin. His cornermen santa he always sabotage him and he did complain about the water and he was seeing double and it is a small conspiracy going right now because post fight. Fury refuses to the water. That that that they get. I speak fury refuse to take of the water that they gave him say that ten times. So you know at. I'm not gonna make excuses feerick. And what a great game plan came and heavier presa action. He is the best now with all those who i'd say He is the best boxer wade been. You might be a little bit of pure boxer but fury his ass goes bad and he really like the black olive oil like he's wilder. Didn't look prepared the second fight now here. We go third fight. Fury tried to skip him. Go straight to the anthony joshua so we can get undisputed. You know it was in the clause that water got a rematch. There was gonna be a rubber match if you wanna wait. Try to breach contract. Go fight josh. What they already had date they wanna fight. Wembley but there's issue with that because that's a fury does not have a license to fight in the uk. His has been suspended since he beats klitschko. Okay he tests positive for. Pd's for pets you know. He hasn't he doesn't have a license in in the uk. Now he can always get reinstated. He can call the queen he can call each elbow. He can call painting a bear. Maybe even danger mouse's somebody may wanna spice. Maybe they can help you know they could try license back into austin powers is helping trying to help out with that but you know. I don't know what happened. But he can't find the uk right now hasn't for years and he doesn't want them to go through investigation because the former that he bought the lamb meat from the contaminated lamb equal. That's kind of our special farmers. Denying any soldier paxton fears camp. So that's the story by itself regardless he can't fight uk. The fight with jackson was never going to happen. He's still had to fight water. So here we are. They ever supposed. They were supposed to already fight at least in a july. I was ready house. Ready to fly out there. You know what i'm saying is we'll be vegas but if you're gonna call covert and that's where the question marks come on nowhere after he catches coverted. I it was sister was trading partners. See josh joseph parker and his fiscal his His trainer the conditions winner at a. You'll see fight. So why are they quarantine and then you find out that another fighter test positive. But he's out and about and then you see tyson fury himself taking pictures with fans and maserati and bentleys in and stuff like that all over vegas. So why isn't he quarantining. I mean it was just terrifying lopez. The heavyweight have rada have version. I mean if you're supposed to be quarantined record saying you know. And also bob aaron was like he got one shot know he got two shots. Van cut the bullshit. Got it stop it. Stop it you daddy. Your dad said you didn't train that. Well you sloppy you look doughy. I mean the man's six nine. He's talking about being over three hundred twenty five water. I mean pitcher. Waiting to pizzo body. Looking like danny ferry. But what can box. That's tyson fury but Coming to that heavy and he didn't train. Well that's on him. If you just been paying attention for last few few months wilder has been taken despite fears you know. He's linked up with scott who's ex-boxer very good trainer and louder showing basic skill. And some you know you're you're seen him use a jag seen them slip. You're seeing a move side aside side his. You know what. I'm saying things. You trish drizzly. Don't see from water because you know he has dynamite and now right hand and he basically looks like you know a linke flavor flavor. You know saying you think. That's a skeleton wrapping electrical tape. You know what i'm saying. But he has power here his he ripped away brings right hand around and once he. Once he touches your. That's rocket by saying it's not a stoppage. It's a knock out you're out to your sleep. You know what i'm saying just sold and left your body you up there you know you you you wanna wear my wings out float but no water will knock you out. You will see tweety bird no joke. And that's the thing. My only concern is guys been putting great work with louder you know. He's training hard. You look at this. I g. It's not like his last fight with a fury you training. You don't see his girl around. You know what i'm saying. May focus on something else. But whatever he's focus on fighting and you're seeing them basic skills because while we get some rain he's little like his name is wild and so i think that's gonna be the difference in this fight. he's benching showing betcha three fifteen Again and i suspect those weights. But hey i'm not judging form. He did it. You know So i think wild with taking this so seriously you know. It's it's a. It's going to be hard for you. It's not gonna be so easy and fury. I don't think he's really felt that power the way other fighters have left out or you know and this way division. You know you. If you're a big dude you can pose your will. And that's what fury wants to do You know you can compare it to like you'll see brock. Lessen you'll see headway. Limits to sixty five. So brock nationally walks around it to eighty to ninety. He'll slimmed-down he'll cut. Wait to sixty five. Just the balloon back up. Kind of like recipes with teradata. He's for his now. He's coming really really really heavy there the fight but sometimes fifteen twenty pounds over and you know if i'm if i'm headway saying that. Ufc you know fighting breath less than i walk around You know to twenty to twenty five depending on whose mom you ask Let them. I come in to eighty to ninety day to fight. That's i mean he has. The person can have skill. But you're actually a bigger dude. It's hard to get that through the boss. You paul's but you know what i'm saying. So faisal's bone in. Harry are finally brought it full circle or here. We're about a week away. Who's gonna win. Who does club or combat g in the place to be podcast from the closet of your mind means house clubs bangers club bangers I got water route four knockout. Okay go on saying we got there at the wind that mgm bet so we got a draftkings. Go ahead make that bad. I get ten percent water round four. Knockout i if i'm wrong. Don't ask me. I am the after the fact king yes. I'll say it again. After the fact king. Which means if i predict something happened before it happens. Oh i'm i'm talking shit. I'm yeah no cats now. Yeah okay anyways but if what i say is wrong. After the fact i won't change in my research. I didn't do my google's as fragile star said on a breakfast club when he was gonna charlene. you know. I didn't do my research. No i didn't i didn't do my google google. You know what i mean so it is what it is if i'm wrong but i'm using not wrong actually mom dad and caught me yet but anyways we really need to talk about. What's going on over there in london because the queen hit me up the other day she was pissed one. I missed the time. But she's mad that joshua you know all the bills are gone. She's joshua olexander. He didn't those bus ukraine you know. He's he's chilling with tank. They're drinking potato vodka or something like that. You know what i'm saying. Human him eclipse goes they just hanging out having having a ball so the bills are gone and You know. aj joshua he's like but he's not light enough you know if you ask meghan markle. There's a color thing over there. They liked it until you know you become one of those people that you know you also bucket buckingham palace doing the lawn and stuff but before he was in saudi when time haven't seen problems but now his ass outside pasha big band or something wrong you got any issues any issues holler at omar from pollen buds. Okay i'm front row and be out there in vegas. You know what i'm saying. You know i got. I got a i got a couple out there. You know Way noon hit me up. He said he wants me to sing with him. tony bennett. He might fly me out there. Also he's going to be there and attendance. You know what i'm saying. Madonna britney spears. My my come out there. You know what i'm saying. I might come on stage with them. You never know what we're going to be out there wilder round four knockout. I said if. I'm wrong i'm after the fact king so i will change my should ask if i'm wrong. So omar sidebar Just a question. Last time. I was in vegas. There's no zuma's in my room. I don't know who you talk to me. And my team is the moms love him. And you know how we like to end things on the ball in boom podcast with omar's epilogue episode number twenty seven in the books. We are half way through october. Y'all the year has gone so fast. It's twenty twenty moves so slow now. Twenty twenty one hundred is blazoned by. It's almost thanksgiving anyways. I don't know what's going on. I know i'm going home for thanksgiving so everybody back in the dmv. Be waiting for your boy. Because i will be back to visit from the eighteenth until the twenty eighth or something like that but anyways be pre paired to party and yes so we want to thank club. D dot com juden our combat sports insider for another amazing funny ass episode. He will always crackers up. And i know y'all laugh so much i begin. Everybody hit me up in the comments and messages. Dm's everything just about how much they love cluber d. and how they'd be cracking up his episodes so i would go back and listen to the previous ones because even though they're about all fights you will still crackup. It's so funny that being said thank you to him for all this wonderful content we will always continue to send him live because the ball and budge. Podcast will be there. Live for all the big fights that being said. What's my prediction. You know honestly. I'm kind of i think fury's gonna win but i'm picking wilder just because think maybe fury has kind of lost motivation a little bit and on the other hand. Wilders pretty determined after the past fights so. I just think that that's going to be a turning deciding factor but periods. The better boxer. And i think he's he can just do the same thing last fight and win again so i'm really torn but i'm a follow. My combat sports insider clever de the combat. And i am going to take deontay walter. Ko knock out in the sixth round my friends and the week after that will be having my major league. Baseball insider mike. We'd be back on the program and we will be talking a review of the major league baseball season and a post-season world series preview. So be looking out for that next week. And before i bid you adieu i will leave you with some of the funny clever de outtakes talk to you next week. Love you enjoy my friends peace. You know. I don't have to say it what you're what humane clever d. And the place to be. If you don't ask me start that over you know what l. o. Stop to stop the music. Faustini's okay we. We're gonna hop right to it okay. Oh why did you got me down here. You know. Let me start. Let me let me slow down. Let me stop okay. Donald florida just got done with the trailer fiasco crack when the band to hold whole field. I never seen the spinning a standing up spending to stop stop. Stop stop to fill detour. Dan detour issue. May club to combat g. 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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland (HR 2)

"All right. The dodgers are on an absolute tear best team. In the National League arguably best team in all of baseball. It's them and the Astros, right? They're both kind of on the Astros, and the players are, are pretty much. All right, there and the keys are are right there, too. But in the National League, it's clearly the dodgers joining us right now is the voice of the dodgers. Joe Davis just want Sean sports net LA last night. Joe how you doing? I'm doing great guys. How you doing? Good to talk to you, Joe and you I made the absorption earlier Joe and this was before you were in our market. But the birth of the Lakers back to back championships, the last two that they want in Oneida and ten was that they were not competitive in the oh, eight finals. They were embarrassed. They were mad. And as I watched dodger team that you're calling every night, I'm wondering if the same thing's going on. I wonder if they were after that Red Sox World Series loss, not just meant that they lost, but mad that they weren't more competitive. And it almost seems like it's driving them just react to that. Do you buy that at all? Yeah. I mean, I guess could be I don't know exactly what it is. But there definitely is like this head down blinders on business like approach that they've seen to have since day one from spring training. You know, they obviously special season seventeen and eighteen but just a different feel to this one, and I guess, maybe that could be part of it just kind of an anger anger. The frustration and enough is enough kind of thing coming into this year. I could be part of what we're seeing, but the mentality has been, you know, just watching them go about their business every single day. Not even seven o'clock ten o'clock than I in injury watch on TV necessarily, but that's obvious you've been really impressive, but watching them go about their work on a daily basis, they definitely had a different tone to them. This starting rotation is insane starters, twenty one and two. With a two twenty three are ERA to one hundred twenty eight strikeouts. Twenty nine walks since April, the twenty fifth these are crazy numbers. How good is this rotation guy spent amazing? Right. It. I mean in the thing that I tweeted this out yesterday and they've Roberts has gotten killed historically for having too quick trigger. And there, there are times in the postseason, right? Where it's hard to share our argue, otherwise and you know it's not just first of all, it's not just Dave Roberts out of the game is managed now more aggressively, but all that said because he starters event so good. And because the bullpen partially has not been good. They're going deeper than any staff in baseball. And that's a good thing for obvious reasons. I think it's also a good thing when you're thinking long term for the success of the team, you know in the bullpen not just struggling right now, but the bigger picture of the bullpen, there's not having to work as hard this time of year. So, you know, this would've starting staff going averages. Six innings per game. I think that's his key. Number is any at how, how big this staff is not just out good. This starting snap is but not. Just for the starting staff, but for the entire pitching staff, when you're thinking long term, we're taking the Joe Davis, the voice of the dodgers on sports net. LA and Joe. When you look at Cody Bellinger, I'm wondering, is you've seen him since he came up as a rookie this year has been at least so far magical for him. Is there something that, that's tangible that you see that looks different or is he just doing all the stuff he did when he was rookie of the year better when you watch him? Is there anything you're noticing that, that he's changed that has did that explains these monster numbers that he's putting up for me a completely different guy? And I don't know if that's just the natural growth of a player or what? But for the most impressive thing to me is the drop in strikeout rate. Right. Goes from being what you expect from a slugger, which is high twenties as far as strikeout percentage. You live with that. When guys hitting thirty. Forty home runs a year, but not only is it continuing to pace. The league in home runs. He there's dropped strikeout rate from like twenty six percent of fourteen or fifteen percent. You know, so besides this incredible power and besides being so fast and a great fielder. He's dropped his strikeout rate more than anybody baseball. And it feels like I personally anytime we talked to talk about him at this point. But for two months, and again, you got to do it for more than two months to, to really be upper-echelon. But for two months is greatest player I've watched and I'm not lived that long, but I've not seen anybody like this for two months. Did you know Joe that he had that card defensively that he's shown us this year? I mean I know he played a lot of first base prior to this season. So he, he probably couldn't have did you know he was this good of defensive outfielder? I knew that he was this athletic. I didn't know that it would translate to, you know, this, like mutable skill that we see defensively, you know, knew the arm was there. But. It's one thing to have a great arm and it's other evident execute throws. He's doing and make decisions like he's making and right field. So you mean you knew that, like the RAF skills were there. And I think you could say that about his overall game. But for most guys, those raw skills. And when I say most I mean like ninety nine point nine percent of guys those raw skills, don't necessarily translate into, like every single one of them comes to life, and you get the perfect player like a watching right now. I mean, we're watching a unicorn. Yeah. He really is. He really is. Hey let's, let's talk about the bullpen a little bit. That's clearly, the the soft spot on this Tim right now, if there is one Joe Joe Kelley struggled Dylan. Floro struggle of late Julio reas has been has been okay Ross stripling has been okay. They at the trade deadline. It seems to me that they've got to go out and find a bridge guy, or a couple of bullpen pieces. What do you? I totally agree. I mean that's, that's clearly the spots, it needs work. I think that there is no rush got a seven and a half game lead on the entirely. You got a nine and a half game lead in the division the perfect clubhouse chemistry. I don't think there's any rush to make a move right now that does to thinks that keeps you from stirring, up anything in the clubhouse, before you need to and not that a move which stirred up, but, you know you risk it. You don't know what you're getting when you bring somebody in from the outside it minimizes. If you're gonna make trade minimizes the cost because, you know, you're paying for two months less of a guy if you wait until the deadline and, you know, I just don't think that they need to pull the trigger on that yet, and, and the other part of it is you get to learn a little bit more about what you do have down there. And you get another couple of months to see who you can trust. And it'd be who you can't. And so, yeah, I think move needs to be made. I think making a big move down there, you know, bringing in another really good, high leverage arm makes them the definitive favorite over the over those American teams you're talking about Yankees Astros, and we'll see about the twins. But Yankees Astros thing you add a big time, arm down there, at least for me that, that gives me the feeling of this team becomes the favorite. Joe Davis with us voice of the dodgers. Okay. Joe, I you know, I never thought I'd be asking you this. But if you if the playoffs started this weekend, I would I would have said at the start of the season, you give them all to Clayton Kershaw game one, he's a hall of Famer he's got experience. He's your he's the guy you want with the ball in game one. Then I see Walker bueller. And he's got electric stuff. You saw it last night when he struck everybody out. And now I think you would have to give it to, to engender you. I mean he's been that good. Am I nuts to suggest that, that he would get the ball game one if the playoffs started? Now will they did it last year? He started game one of the division series against land last year. Right. I think that's definitely what they do. And it was a big story, then I don't know that it'll be as big a story this season especially if he keeps doing what he's doing. But that'd be a good problem to have, you know, if you Amen October and everybody's healthy. And you have those options as it did last year. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you about is it seems like hitters on this team are now going to the plate with a better plan than they've had in the past guys are not afraid. In fact, Cory Seager last night hit a Otto homerun off of Robbie. Ray guys are not afraid to beat the shift. It just seems like there's a different approach at the plate not just for Belgium, for everybody on that team is that the work of this Robert van soy attack. Yeah. Rob prevent squawk and Brant Brown. You know, we're kinda like co hitting coaches. I think that it's a similar approach to what they had. There's nothing drastically different. Turn award is a guy that everybody's speaks very highly about, and I don't want it to come off. And I don't think he'd been a cutouts, wants to come off as turn awards out, Robert van Scoiety in and everything's better. It's not necessarily like that I think it's just a little bit different. And I think that the preparation that you're talking about these guys come into the play with its much more individualized now. And again, that's no indictment, anything turn award was doing. I think it's pretty cutting edge the way they're preparing at this point where it's, you know, they're, they're taking all this data that we all know that teach available now and they're not just utilizing it as a team. They're getting individualized plans for each pitcher. But for each hitter to each hitter has his own plan against each pitcher that they're going to face and. And you know, it sounds good. In theory. You don't necessarily know how it's going to be in practice. But so far, so good. Because I agree that it just seems like such a connected lineup. Where rarely do you see anybody given that away? Hey, listen, Joe. We appreciate your time as always, I know it must be fun calling these games because they are on a tear right now. This is as well as I've seen the dodgers play since that was the crazy streak, the forty two out of network. Joe Taurean with manning forty two out of fifty or as well. Yeah. Exactly. I'm with you. It's starting to feel like that. Yep. All right. Thank you, Joe. Joe are guys. There's Joe Davis voice of the dodgers. Yeah. They are. It's now we're when I checked the dodgers score. I'm actually shocked if they law I'm also I'm surprised if I'm watching them loose surprise, like what the hell happened games? Yeah. Short Sodano is in studio doing math, I was told there would be no math. There is met seven. All right. So. Here is by the way, where David Griffin obviously, general manager of the gnarly pelicans. Now here's what he said back in February. We think on Georgia's show about Brandon Ingram. This kid doesn't even have total control of his extremities yet. He's so long. He's got like that. Newborn. Dear lack, of course, strength for Kyrie Irving to say that he thought he was defensively. Tough for him is a huge statement by kyri, and it says a lot about the fact that Brandon is making big strides in his core strength earlier this year. I saw him get blown by like he was nailed to the floor at times against point guards and he's quickly and very quickly uh thing, that's a big deal. He's twenty one years old. I it defies the imagination, how old was Victor oil depot when he hit for Indiana. And this kid's way more physically gifted than victory depot. All right. So let me ask you question about this. Yes. Ingram. I've talked to people at the Lakers who tell me they are not worried. I mean at all about his medical future. They think that whatever this problem was with the blood clot. It was structural. He got it fixed. And they're predicting one hundred percent clean Bill health moving forward. But let's say you're another GM, right? Okay. You're not the Lakers like will will openly let I mean, they'll tell anybody that asks, we think Brandon is passed this. If you're another GM would you trust that? Or do you need to see him play? Well, I mean, wouldn't you do your own? Medicals chirp. But you haven't seen him play. I mean he hasn't played since this happened. He hasn't played in a game. Doesn't it sound like David Griffin? Loves them loves them. Yeah. But I don't know if he can, you know, that, that would be part of the issue. Yeah. Assuming he's willing. I what I've said in the past is, I'm kind of glad that this happened because I'd like to see him stay a Laker. But I think all everything's on the table when you're trying to rebuild in this LeBron window. Okay. So here's here's a little bit more detail on this. Libra. Let's say let's say this, this trade as described goes through, and let's say it's Lonzo Ingram the number four pick and the twenty twenty one number one pick that will put you within ten percent. We just did some, some back of the napkin math here. That'll push within ten percent of Anthony Davis, twenty five million at that point, you would have sixty two million on the books from just LeBron. And a d. You've got another eleven point five on the roster left. So you've got a near assuming that you were now everyone else, correct que then gives you seventy three point five million total. And you've got thirty five million to spend on shooters. Greg, you've got thirty five million to spend on shooters, cap following a trait. I. In my ear. All right. So. Turn your mic off your fight with Sodano now. The Greg is confusing himself, exactly the I think that. That's plenty. Yeah. That's plenty to lineup shooters that planning. It's funny. And there's some good shooters out there in the fridge JJ. He'll be out there. Seth curry will be out there. Yup. Danny green OB out there. Brooke Lopez's will be out there. One of the bogdonovich is out there. Bojan is out there. Harrison Barnes is out. I mean, there are a lot of good three point shooters out there. And you've got thirty five million to be able to surround and guys will they will the Lakers will become more of a magnet. If they do a deal for a D And you're building around AD, and LeBron. I think they will be more of a magnet. And by the way, I think what we're seeing right now is you said, dynasties, always end if, if Katie does leave Golden State, I'm not they would still be the favorites to go to the finals. But they aren't a sure thing to go to the finals anymore without Katie. With Draymond with Klay Thompson with Steph curry. They would be the favorites, but would would you agree? They're not invincible at that point. No, I think that, well, you'd save routine is either ace ending or descending. They're descending now. I mean you're watching them fall apart medically now. Goodall is not one hundred percent. Clay's not one hundred percent. Durant's not one hundred percent loonies out for Katie leaves, and everybody selfie next year. Yeah. No, not a lock not a lock anymore. Now know without came not sure they're lock in this series, depending on these injuries. No. I mean and by the way, we should pass along that kevon looney is out for the heaven ran housing game three Evan Durant won't play in game. Three Klay Thompson was on the court today. And it looks like he will just Klay just took the podium and what he said was he'd be very surprised if he didn't play in game three. Okay. So he's thinking he's gonna play. But then Steve Kerr said yesterday that clay would say that if he was on his deathbed. So you can't really trust it. Yeah. No, he's he does have that Tim Cal comedy, our friend who runs the athletic. Is sitting in this room where clay's talking? And he's Tim just tweeted, I'm not Klay Thompson, and not inside his hamstring. But he's sounding and acting like a guy who is getting ready getting ready to play game three tomorrow. Right. So if they have Steph and clay, they've got Draymond they've got Igwe dollar with whatever limitations DeMarcus cousins, I thought gave them really meaningful minutes. The other night played twenty six minutes. I'm not sure that, that is what Steve Kerr was planning on. They've got the amazing Quinn cook who had some big shots in that game. They've got to find points from the others, but I, I think they win that game if they have Steph clay. Whether in Oakland, their favored right now by segues. So are you going to bet that mythical money? What's, what feels like the right side of that. If they're favored by sit is a tough vet. Yeah. I and that Lenka change by the way, they opened five and a half. It went up, though. Did it really? Yeah. People thinking that the warriors found a way to win that game in Toronto and they'll find a way to win game three. Let me see. I am going to be what's the line now. Six six warriors by six. Give me Toronto, plus the six wow money. Yeah. I that's not crazy. Greg bergman. You got that. I got it and I'm going the opposite way. Okay. Okay. I told him I told him to call Michael and see if he picks up his phone because I want to see what Michael, thanks, if Claes going. Oh, yeah, yeah, I've got twenty five hundred mythical dollars on Toronto, plus the six, and Greg has got twenty five mythical dollars twenty five hundred. Oh, no. He just does two thousand on Golden State, minus the six. They but that games. I mean it feels like a toss up to me, it feels like a toss up. I. I think Golden State finds a way to win that game. I do too. I just think it'll be close. And we'll say hey, do you wanna have in nineteen years ago today? I have no idea, Greg. Do you have it right here? This is and I've said this before the first time I ever saw the staple center, moving on the top look like like shaking quake, almost like was an earthquake was because of this. Two. All right. So this was the situation, the Lakers were was game seven of the Western Conference finals. Yep. They decided are Portland put up a huge lead on the Lakers, led by fifteen in the fourth quarter Lakers are going out despite the fact the Lakers at the best record during the regular season. They were the number one seat. Right. And all of a sudden the Lakers started coming back. They started hitting threes, Portland could not throw anything in the basket. They, they miss fifteen consecutive shots and the lead went down and down and down. And then the Lakers finally got the lead back and you could feel the game in the momentum shifting and Kobe dribbled down the middle. And, and it looked like couldn't tell if it was a pass or shot. He just kind of launched it towards the rim. And that was Bob Costas following game. Wow. On NBC just saying Koby to shack and played again. You'll hear how loud it was. Three times. Time out Portland. And if you watch this, you can go on YouTube and watch up shack is running off the court, any for some reason points to the upper levels because he saw he saw what I saw. Yeah. He saw these people jumping up and down in unison on the top level. And when he pointed at them, they went ballistic. They all just like shacks pointing at us, and I looked up and I swear like lease Ideman will say this is like a physically impossible that never could have happened because these buildings are all built like structurally it. I swear that whole thing look like it was moving. It's the first time I've ever seen was the first season, the Lakers played in that building. Yup. And obviously this was the end of the season because it got him into the finals. But that's the loudest I've ever heard staple center and the first time I've ever seen it move, and people were you can even tell like before that Elia were so loud before. Yeah, like Costas was you could not. That was. A cut from TV, right? That and, and it was but, but that to me was, and that was nineteen years ago today. Two thousand while. Yeah, it was June of two thousand we're doing sidelines night. I was that year for the regular season. But this was the playoffs I was just covering the series for K. Cal went to every game. I'd gone back and forth from Portland. The Lakers went up three one in that series. Yep. Then blue games five endgame six and fell fifteen down in game seven, and we just Portland at figure something out that was at team with Damon Stoudamire and Steve Smith and Rasheed Wallace and our visa bonus. Mike Dunleavy was the coach. Yeah. And they just went ice cold in the fourth and Mace they never recovered. That was the pinnacle of that group. Yeah. They never got back to even the Western Conference finals. Everybody thought that was gonna be the Western Conference finals for the next three to four years. And then Sacramento got good. Yeah. Remember with Chris Webber and Jason Portland faded away. Just real. I was thinking, why was I not there? Why was here in New York when I was working at W W New York loudest I've ever. I heard St. nineteen years coming up next. Got to Kevin Durant update actually. Kevin Durant medical update. Okay. And. There's at least one Laker fan out there. Yes. Hearing you keep hearing co why to the clippers. Why to the Clinton? There's at least one Laker fan out there who hasn't given up the collide dream, and he has actually acted out that dream in a song that you will hear next. That's coming up Mason, Ireland ESPN LA when all right this in here I Kevin Durant is apparently ramping up his workouts, and perhaps could be available for game for. That is still in play. So that's courtesy Mark Stein of the New York Times, the warriors have just finished practice up in Golden State, and Mark is an excellent reporter extremely well connected. Right. So yesterday, was the SPN LA golf tournament to raise money for the V foundation. So I played with these two great guys, Aaron and Justin. And then we were joined we, we played with five by guy named James Davis who he's a comedian. He's, he's, he host shows matter of fact, one of the shows he hosts host with Ben he hosts the show called. Yeah. It's called mostly. Football on Yahoo Martellus Bennett. Michael minutes, brother hosted with them to. So G James mentions to me. He has this. Coli song. He's a Laker fan, and he says, you know, everybody says the Lakers Arca quiet going to the clippers. I don't think so, so good and play this, this is you'll recognize the tune. The this is. Obviously an old Michael Jackson song, and just listen to, to the first few minutes of it now. That's what we're about and joy joining us on the phone is James Davis, who James you. And I did not carry the team yesterday by any means but we had fun. We had a lot of fun. Nice work, man. Are you are you a singer by trade? I mean, I'm a comedian by trade, but auto, tune does amazing things. So you're so you're auto tuned on this thing. I mean it's like seventy percent my voice, and then the rest auto tune in my boy Bryant, who was in airing and producing just making me sound official enough to get the message across. It's a killer, son, man. So James as soon as Mason heard this his like a light bulb went off and he said, oh, I got to write some songs for the side. Yeah. Then need an ADC? We gotta we gotta do we have to handle this ourselves now. We'll be nobody over. There's talking so yeah, we the, the only thing we put into the universe might be songs like this one. Yeah. We gotta take control. Exactly. So are you. So what's the show? You do with Ben. So we do mostly football on Yahoo sports complex, and that's throughout the football season, only just goof around and have fun moments. Woke moments joke moments. And then I also actually have a net flicks game show called awake. The million dollar game show. That's premiering on June fourteenth. Oh, good on Netflix. That's awesome. And then people could follow you, you're, you grew up in south central. Right. Your local guy. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And are you a Laker fan where you have unit Laker fan since you were a kid? All I know I believe that was conceived during championships celebration. Is this your only Laker related song, the one you sent me? For now. But since doing so, well, I'm gonna be back in the studio guys. This thing driving you some ideas. Yeah, we're going to give you some ideas, I'm going to work at an AD son. Hey guys, I will do it. Like I said, I the the, the business side, the bus family. They do their thing. And then us the fans we gotta take control. I love the attitude. I love this song man was fun meeting yesterday. Thanks for supporting the charity and coming out to the golf tournament to of course, I listen to you guys all the time like all the time, you got the killing it. Please. Keep me in full. And so I know what the right songs about you've been. We won't get him. Many. Thanks for coming on. Great. Thank you. And you can follow him in the James gave us on social THE. James Davis on social. Yeah. It's, it's really clean and we had a great time. Aaron who won the contest. And by the way, speaking of contests, Mason, I are going to be giving away all of our spots in the poker tournament to Mason, and Ireland poker Taff by the end of this week, probably over the next couple of days. We're, we're gonna cause I think you're not here, Friday. Yeah. I'm out from doing a pride thing, the so we'll give them away over the next three days seats in our poetry. But Aaron the guy who went our Caddyshack quiz yesterday, brought his buddy, Justin. And those guys they, they listen to the station all the time too. Great players. Guys. Thanks there became we had over one hundred and fifty players yesterday. It was fun and all the famous people to we're all cool and Philip Pullman, Philip then which was good. Who's the reporter Ashleigh Ashleigh brewer Phillips met, her ABC's seven? She was great. Yeah. And, and I'm trying to, to think at at one point, I think I saw DeMarco FARs. Yeah. Meeting golf club DeMarco far was there. J B long ceremonies Jones, through pretty much the whole Sam llegado was there, the PA you go and see was there. We did a big Ramle photo Kirk Morrison obviously, was there to the entire Rams. Broadcasting Travis Rodgers was absolutely feeling. No pain whatsoever. Somebody told me that he was elected drunk person at the golf tournament. He drank all is it possible. Travis drank all the Jack Daniels. Did I hear this correct news on Jack and coke all day that will let me know he exhausted? The Pacific palms resort of all Jack Daniels, sitting bloody Marys. He was hitting Jack and cokes. He was he was on it. He was drinking rom didn't you think he went? Don't you think he wins the price? He came up and try to talk to us at one point with Chris Morales, and he was too drunk to put on the air. He barely was able to speak to you and Mason. Yeah. He really had a hard best part was he goes, don't make this weird dome. We've probably just did that. Trevor all right. Got fasttrack at ten minutes. Mason in Ireland, ESPN LA, so Saturday night. I'm watching does own and I watched to see Anthony. Sorry. Anthony joshua. Yeah. I is. Andy Ruiz, an anti- ROY is, is a guy who's like he's Mexican American. He had been in the fight game for a lot of years. He is an this is an understatement not in shade, not at off. But he's a big guy as teddy atlas said he sets physical fitness back fifty years, correct. And he is you, we like if you watch Anthony, if you watch their physiques. Yeah. When they stepped into the ring you went. Oh, god. Yeah. This is this is not going to end well for mismatch of all time early what it was was a tune-up fight for Joshua to get ready for Deontay wilder. Right. Which everybody intimidated would be the big fight at the end of this year, while now that's all up there. Although now it's still interesting because now there's going to be a Ruis Joshua rematch. It was triggered automatically. That's been. That's what's been reported today and you'll. Probably get a Deontay wilder Tyson fury rematch, which was the fight at Stapleton. They fought to a draw and all the sudden you've got four, I can't remember the last time there were four interesting heavyweight boxers, at the same time you have to go back to the days of event or Holyfield defined four good interesting, heavyweight, but to me Wilders a cut above all of them wilder is wilder is, you know, there wasn't was a time where when, you know, when you had evanger, Holyfield and Mike Tyson and Riddick Bowe. This was after Tyson's dominance, the site when he was, you know, kind of towards the end of this latest like Holyfield Tyson. Bo. In the Klitschkos came along later, it, this is I still until somebody beats wilder. I think he's the best guy. But wouldn't that was the wilder fury fight was that also a draw they fought to a draw? Okay. So we had we had both those guys in the third chair. Oh, did you share? Yeah. While there is Jiang wilder, and he's also he's the guy that says he wants to wants to literally kill somebody. Yeah. He's, he's that guy. I mean, I think it's I think it's going to be really interesting. The next fight, and you don't put anything in the Bank, there's a Tyson fury, fight clean up this fight. This weekend was proof of that, that you can never assume anything anything, by the way, bigger upset, then Buster Douglas or his Buster Douglas still be considering how invincible Mike Tyson was at the time. I think Buster Douglas is still the greatest boxing upset of all time. But this is top three. Nobody gave this Ruis kid a chance. No. And he is really. I mean I, I don't want to say, are you allowed to say he's just he's overweight? No, no. He's a big. Goo. Yeah. You need. I mean but he's unapologetic about it. Right. Although I guess he's pissed pissed off that people are saying why. I mean, they think they think it diminishes his accomplish. What do you think? John Tyson was a forty two two one favourite. And we're BUSTER was Joshua on low. I think he I think I ready was twenty two to one. Yeah. He is. He's twenty two one yet. So the bigger the bigger upset was definitely bus. And that's one of those ones where you remember where you were because it was a walkover fight. And those were the days when I bought every Tyson fight. I mean you had to buy Tyson fights. And, and they and by the way, you always felt dumb doing it because oftentimes they'd end in the first round it'd be over where who is it Marvis Frazier lasted thirty seconds. You know, Frazier son. Yup. Well, the interesting thing about the, the Joshua Ruiz fight is that it's the it was the third round when Joshua dropped Ruiz in Ruiz came back up in started swinging and actually hit joss Joshua in the back like right behind his ear, and I heard teddy atlas say that probably threw off his balance and his core delivery in rest of the night 'cause that punch behind the ear. Is one that, that does a lot of damage. Mario you probably saw the fight. Come on in. Mario, Mario REEs is our one of our fight experts. You saw the Joshua Ruiz fight right? Fight yet, we're talking everybody about this, this fight. What did you think? Anthony Joshua better not try to run this fight Rybeck. He has he has a lot to work on red really, if, if they fought again in a month. We'd be in trouble. No, he ain't got kind of a glass jar. And he he does he does he better not runs. Back right away. He'd better go get it tuna fight where he gets. A rematch has been triggered the contract. It was in the clause. So you think he's going to do another fighter before he fights? Res again, I think they're going to try to fight Andrew is again, but that's not a good idea. But so what do you think of do you think Ruis will actually be less flabby when he goes back into the ring? Now, this is this is and yet is best. This is the best you will ever look. But he's got hands. I've been watching him since he debuted. And the first thing I saw was he can throw hands fast and he throws combos. You know what I mean? Yeah just he's not just loading up at one big heavyweight shot. Okay. So throws and Mariana puncher to WalMart as you know, Mexican fighters. First of all, he's the first heavyweight ever to be first heavyweight Mexican American heavyweight champ, which surprise me. I was all the great with all the great makes some boxers. But here's the thing, if you think about the Mexican boxers, who, who literally inspired huge followings Julio Cesar Chavez Oscar de LA Hoya. This guy is not that he's not this, like, cut athlete that you Mark is put on it. Yeah. Well, he's a Snickers after every fight is that. Right. Right. So we'll, we'll he be embraced by the Mexican community the way the other guys, were, I mean, they okay with the fact that he's kind of a big tub of new horse. Yes. Especially when he gets knocked down the way he did. Yeah. I go right back. Right. Back on and he took it to the streets when he got back. Yes. He did. If you know came out swinging he came up swinging his his foot work, totally changed has totally changed. He took us the streets, right hood. Yeah. Yeah. Turn it into. Well, are you made the point that Joshua's should not run it right back? That, that he should go. Find somebody else. So should Ruis and get a little money. Yeah. You know, like take take a fight, or you guys got collect pay show. Exact so in the end after after we see fury, now it looks like we're going to see fury wilder a second fight. Yeah. After the draw who do you like there? I like Walter. Yeah. Do you think he's the best of the bunch? I think he's the best of the bunch. Yeah. I think so. Does. Michael, Michael watches all sorts of fight says Wilders better boxer. And you know what that does not want? Shop power to. Oh, yeah. He does and light knockout and he talks a crazy game. Yeah. He's talked site game of a crazy, man. Yeah. He brings the money to the table. So you gotta have that in the division that does own is pretty good, isn't it? Oh, yeah. A good job since day one, I've subscribed to, to zone, not just because L Aziz on there. But since day one, they also all the big they also, by the way, do a really fun baseball show every night that I doing more and more sports. Yeah, yeah. They're good. They're good. Mario, thanks man somewhere. Look at this people are starting to send me videos of Andy Ruis doing like obstacle courses claiming that he's not a a, you know, he's not unethical. He just looks unethical. Don't judge a book by its kind of right? Well, hey he's the heavyweight champ. Yeah. He just came off a fight before this one at the dignity, health Peres watch in Carson, and he was he, he fought a bigger stronger guy. Just like Anthony Joshua Johnson is a big buff guy. That's the type of guy he just got don't fighting and Carson. So he was ready for this fight. Yeah. Sure. Was. Yeah. All right. Thanks mari. Fasttrack coming up next.

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Andy Ruiz, Former Heavyweight Champion | Hotboxin with Mike Tyson

Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

50:23 min | 4 months ago

Andy Ruiz, Former Heavyweight Champion | Hotboxin with Mike Tyson

"Nobody knows my payment was gonna have children right. That's your time it. Can the time machine have kids. Well i'm about to have a baby girl. So i'm saying mexico's catcher icesheet blake's to got that got that i think it's the position worst from me. All the what's up everybody. This episode of hot box with mike tyson. I'm your host trixie aka hendrikse. Hudo are mike tyson today former heavyweight champion of the world and to do so champion for us and that is the former heavyweight. Champion of the world. Andy reid is giving apply ladies and gentlemen. Thank you and andy. Thanks for having me again tells me to fight but those truly sales a really good five man. i was actually I didn't think Came out like that. He did his thing. But you know. I had to overcome of the exciting assing. And when you got up and came back in. That was a good fight. Man know the people that their money's worth. Yeah there's a lot of different switches. When when someone drops you hard to overcome that in the end come out to the job though. Yeah thank you. Joe combination to those combinations commissions picked it up. You know what really impresses me in that fight with With with chris in the third round when he when he dropped he do and then he hurt you a second time for the second time that he hits you up. You know what. I'm saying. You're like fuck that you drop me a second time and you the man man. Thank you manage after the long lay-off When loss against anthony josh royals kinda fell to you know rain. I felt the rustiness. I fell just so much different than sparring and fighting in a row fight. But you know. I got the rounds in Got the job done. That's the most important hit. Listen if coming with amazing. He shouldn't even feel bad about that. Don't let your mind play tricks. You did a great job. Yeah people don't understand to the fact that you guys are bigger mango in twelve rounds to you know what i'm saying is what it takes to given the ring. Yeah i'm glad. Thank god earth thing worked out good and you gotta move on. Gotta stay busy before. I wouldn't be training like how i am now before i would five bomb. Start doing everything next brother you know. There's a lot of different options. there's resorts has been calling me out. there's why from from the uk. there's there's a lot of there's a lot of good opponents out there and now i gotta stay in shape and be ready might mike do you think. Do you think the heavyweight from your era. You think now 'cause heavyweight heavy for a minute. There was a drought in popularity. Back in the back. Your boxing do you think. It's comeback mike to the glory days. The heavyweight division will. It has a lot of guys like lego and the exciting guidance. Division and yeah. I think it's very exciting. You're thinking about having. Finding he could fight with burger naming the dante. Yeah you got so many guys to fight. You can fight from england again but the black guy white Tyson fury liberal but another guy from england. This black guy in white year. Yeah that's the me and him actually being going back and forth other he has no respect. Yeah they'll be a good five between me and him Tease as well while they're at that meeting. Meanwhile the we're going to negotiate something. But i guess one the clause to further trilogy for tyson fury. So then he's mandatory. Now i mean the walder has to fight. Tyson fury three an order for in order for him to fight anthony joshua. Yeah and it's crazy. Because listened josh meeting it paid no side money the fight or they took the fight away from. I don't think they told him that. There are sowing them or anything like that but you want how do you take check into wild. I think has already a contract. Our had that yesterday that has to take place men and so what what what how would you like to see the because you guys are the four horsemen joshua you. Tyson fury deontay wilder man. That's a freaking. That's a bracket of a bradley and they should have like a tournament where we all get to fight each other and to see. What was the dante dante tight. And then making them look man. Yeah that's gonna be a really good fight. They're making money when i say fight. Think mike who would take that argos either way no way you know. Don't they have nothing to be sad about it. Nothing the plane. He'd for great fight. I think guys number. Anything happens to be punches hard. He thinks size matters in that fight. Mike will they both the same size pretty much different weight and different ways of heavyweight tyson. Fury got him. I think thirty pounds man right thirty forty pounds meals like at two seventy something and While there was. I got to twenty into thirty while the how much. How much was what was what was the pound difference product fifty pounds. I think if tyson fury pressures him and the fight to him. I think we'll see the same thing as the last fight that appear to happen. People want wanna see the people want to see it. yeah. I even message. Eighty hers. And i told him a and he will with the trilogy against me and anthony joshua and known thing here was like The worried faces and deja vu. And i think that would be perfect. You catchy the text. The promoters lowest is that about the pomona although the enemy the q. Spike we're have to approach the different ways and i looked at. Yeah and it's like come on eighty her talking. Gimme the fired and he hits. Wouldn't it happens. I know you obviously you. You gave josh with dot come. How come you're clause didn't work. How work without with with joshua and Because it wasn't the same. I don't think we signed for For a rematch clause or something or something that we could not wanted to you guys just kind of like missed. I mean thing on the contract that said that we could in or something. I had to win to win the five year but weren't uta sites that you had all the belt at that time when you the right by mainland mistakes him for a reason but more opportunities will come long as we stay active. We stay busy and we stay in the ahead of the game and you think josh will give you that that they're fighting you think i'm pretty sure they will unless there is no. But i'm talking about joshua joshua the fighter. The person will give you that that that that trilogy will do you think i. I think josh for respects you a lot. Because even the second fight he he's still sees that could came back and you could have knocked his ass out again for real fantasy. I think you're the last person he would wanna fight. Because you're a super dangerous and he's not used to a body style like you said. What did that goes high low high. And you know what i'm saying. Moore anthony again with a chance because those those are those those are paid as that are life changing and because we got to you to fight man. You look good left fight. I got the defeated frank. Crystals up for the fight. He was up and he was. You'll you'll find those combinations will get a little bit more. I kinda got confident. In the first few rounds thin. That's how he kinda got me back of my head and kind of wobbled me a little bit. But that's the thing about fighters when they get dropped the have to come back stronger. You know professionally. That make a big. He went down. He got backup started throwing punches in the way make feel like you're he down. Don't do that everybody people in your fucking head. Aim in the fucking rainy ditch. Motherfucking there in the ring. The gado new have to you have to walk around. The secretary dropped dead of a heart attack. The fuck they talk about getting all they have a fucking heart attack us. You know man to me never fought. This guy didn't not to this guy before devastating before he wants to kill you then we experience that experience that talk shit. Kill you for nothing into nothing to insult to kill you. Crazy to muslim intel has to be at the end of the day. They're trying to do the same to yay and read your book your know if i won this fight i move up more. My family do better to hide. The more won the better. My family come about your thing. Look no one's perfect. Even the best base promptly strikeout with bases loaded the best golfers sometimes three-putt but the tournament on the line. So if you feel you come up short in the bedroom. Sometimes it's perfectly okay but if it's bothering you. Their options go to get roman dot com slash hot boxing. 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Always great but never had the opportunity until the heavyweight by joshua pulled out and then you came in in as short notice after after beating. Anti anthony joshua. How much has your life change. It changed the law. You know when. I won and made history not just for me but for my loved ones in my family. My kids but mexican race until i i kinda went crazy. You know kinda went crazy and didn't do things that i was supposed to do wasn't disciplined. I didn't listen to my corners or to my family at at some point. Because at that time i was i waited like twenty eight years for me to to make my dreams come true and i wish i could take it all back and boom. I would have been still back in the gym and would have been ready for for joshua My second fire but the time went by so fast man and listen over. You're still young baby is not over. I know but i keep. I keep that inside of me because i don't want. I don't want that to happen again. This is keeping frame with the belief system. You have and keep on being confident woman man. That's just one for you know little flight. That left fight with josh would discourage you now. Of course former heavyweight champion the war you can get detailed many opportunity. Never feel sorry for yourself in a great position in life the out saw right now after that the main thing is just to stay busy and stay stay. Active fifteen fights a one year ban fifteen year. Dance a lot city cao's to Anybody will pass first. I might one guy. That's a good ratio. She's day those crazy man to do. This shit failed tie. Did you grow up watching. A lot of mike's. Mike's arab like boxing. How during some thirty one years okay. Yeah yeah okay course would watch him and Hedges scary to you. Know very fires each major kid. What i was saying somebody. I isn't the issue. How would how would a third fight with you. Anthony joshua be different. I think it'll be a lot different because you seem what i could do. And with me being shave me being almost three hundred pounds and me being shaped being ready like just how. I wasn't my first fight against him. I think i would win. Man that for sure. I would feel that i would win. I'm learning a lot of stuff. Right there with eddie in connecticut so i think I think my style will be a little bit different than the first What advice would you have for. That might go into into the third fight with somebody. Would you think would be the difference. Enough jab jab basically put him in position for everything i think if you keep reading jab putting in phase two or three times followed the right left without the jab. You can't really thrown a combination especially with these big jobs to get in there you know. Yeah yeah because you you consider jeb the fee everything. Coming whole everything. Some of blind people to the blind. Oh yeah but he's he's a lot 'cause you're what six six foot six one six hundred. Yeah before like the heavyweights with tyson. I mean these. Your what six seventy. But sometimes that could be advantage for me. I liked fighting taller fighters. Because for some reason it's easier for me to get in there See the first site when he fled judge with the judge will for real cautious for second fight pointing them tap tap going he was but i was too big and without the condition to cut the rings to to follow him not to follow him to cut the reigns into throw the combinations right. There was just doing one punch to punch. And there's some punches that would connect them wobble ham. But i didn't have the stamina to continue to keep throwing or i don't know but things happen. You come nationwide doing your left so you know you come. They were good. They kept them from throwing back at. You look good. Good combination sets. Keep working because i did felt the russ from being like almost two years off but sofa. That will beautiful man two years. That was beautiful. Super technical. Like chris areola. He's i mean he was he was he fell down. I remember when i was coming back from a knockdown wa. That was great. You know what. I mean opie phila- down for that most people get discouraged. Cover up and that she stop poems. That shows the spirit that shows. You're focusing will fight focus. Will that's mexican. You mentioned grew up watching a lot of Assess at a shower. Of course then. Morale live yeah mark. It's a blessing Being their positions they were as well. You know because. I didn't really think that Become the first mexican heavyweight champion because everybody would doubt me consoles chubby. No nobody believed electrobi- kissing get knocked out by this big guy. And mono for some reason i wasn't i wasn't scared of My good man. Yeah we're going to do it again. Medallion that. I wasn't scared of nothing. When i was a little kid. From 'cause i was always chubby kid that nobody was in my weight class. So these older guys and and there's some of are men and i was only like thirteen years old and beat them up. But that's the good experience you young kids some guys you fight yet. The fight their father the lab yet to be the reds andy Was crazy man. Good experience that. I had when i was young and trying to go to the olympics as well didn't happen but how would you amateur career for those who don't know your Your records and because man. I feel like as much as professionals. You know the tar i feel like in my eyes like the purist the hardest and all of boxing amateur. Boxing isn't trip is hard became in three three minute rounds of doing other stuff. Yeah they favor. A lot of amateurs in all especially in box view all of favoritism like that. My boss. Move all the room. Did you feel like you got cheated before to take pig shop. The guy he's still was yeah The how many did you have in the amateurs. Mike around fifty fifty. What about you like. A hundred twenty Hundred twenty started at six years old in first amateur file. Seven years old. And from there on i kept kept fighting. Listen you may guidance averages some of these some of these. You've been up four hundred fight five. Despite all been fighting in turn professional fighting all his crazy. Was that one of your first dreams to go to the olympics before that shows. 'cause there's never been a mexican heavyweight olympics esco so i was really close. I lost against hubbard. Zillion guy africa's name too. But he's a pro. He fought dylan white as well like you said you forget his name and this name but we know who you are for sure i what's is name in. What's his name. Hey we can't for the world team ever feel badly damaged so which what's your predictions with the wilder of fearing not it's gonna go down and i think there's there's a reason why they should take it accord again. This is what it is. I don't know i feel every man. That's two hundred. Something pound is dangerous because it only takes one punch to change the whole fight and In a wilders dangerous. I think tyson fury if he does the same thing that he did in his last fight I think he could take. It feels like to guy titans would wanna find very. I think it would be. My style would be a really good for for him. I think out to make him how ebola. I think you're problematic for for anybody especially the everybody loves excited. He fighting through the guy joshua Dante yeah i think even though i think even though you the sacrified did go to joshua i think i think you should the most dangerous heavyweight right now. You know what. I'm saying that as long as we stay busy an speed the bill yet. The definitive come his could go back after you. Yeah that was a really good fire ran. Did he came the fighting man right now. I not heels mad after the fight as well. Who what's your take on everything. That's going on right now with awe with youtube box in these these youtubers chat take over the eighties. Tiktokers money hazy about this is interesting you know so forth from youtube became to jimmy about dante. While i do i went to the gym. Be it at. I thought oh shit really do that. I would have been arrested after. I left crazy. Nutbag kid he Mega he put on the gloves he wanted to want. The old should ask who also he actually. I don't know about you. Pull that up while the box and tiktok. Oh you say oh shit. See a liking. You see typically mike that caused the video rolling elaborate. Those guys you don't want the crazy mother foster. Remember this shit. Oh this guy is so crazy right. This uber would always talk shit. Some yeah tell me about it. You and this was an organized. Can he go to jail. Shit laying that they can still only let you try to kill us fucking guy. Oh no look printed memphis it. He's about sweetly looking shit. Henry shit jerry. Henry our underneath the privilege from doing this shit man didn't wanna he's he's still gonna fight. He's he's still down guy and he's still taught him out. Yeah by the utah disrespectful because he would always go to the gym he will be messaging hand dumb stuff some all. He grad emits. He was on the floor upturned avid admendments that uppercut gaden. Now that's pretty. i mean. at least you didn't press charges or anything like that and he put the fire pit. Press charges on you. Oh man yeah he really pissed off the onta- bro. At the uppercut. He's kind of been a dangerous situation is what do you think youtube it to change that you know. I don't want to talk bad or some shit about shit like that but at the end of the day were already in our lives in the you know. Even if they don't know really how to throw punches or nothing like that at least they have the balls to go in there and get in the ring and fight each other. He's but do you think that's good eating for the sportsman or i don't think is is Help it or anything like that. But you know or maybe it will. You never know because there's gonna be a lotta different youtubers that are going to watch and ensure more interested in boxing. Jake paul five million views to fight when he did with us like and is there any is getting better and better man partners eating better and better the be. Do you keep up with a little bit Do you think who do you think he could be tired and a boxing match. Yeah i don't know why. I need to see his fights another guy he s. Oh is the is it. Dm from eddie heard truman. Yeah my message to him. And i told him For what fight the first one or the recent one is well. I imagine i imagine the recent was saying that he's picking That is just not who sick. That's gonna be the front runner. There's several people that are being guys. They didn't quite know. Then the guy knocking out with an uppercut proliferation in provoked the book in with the guy. I was actually so happy. Because i'm not a really big fan of dylan. Why it because he felt. He doesn't respect no fighters so i was really happy one Respect a heavy spending three newly joined the shit respect by. He did his job in the second. Fight dylan why. He fought him again in. Beat them While he was already winning. Nomin the future for the things happen. Would he thinks your heart is match with your to elite would be your hardest matrimony in the division. I dunno i feel. Fights are going to be tough years like you say everyone has a plan until they get hit and matter know how would really want me enticing theory to fight that then that would be a really good final. He has his things. I yes to fight light the shootout with to me to buy. There's a lot of. There's a lot of guys out there restore teasers to been to. He just called me. How little durable. Yeah is but i feel with the pressure staining close throwing combinations Might think who could definitely get that win. But it's all up to our promoters and and all that movie punch back or ortiz ortiz olympic champion right before flynn olympics before he's on gold. I'm not sure maybe silver something but occupants our favorite for the olympics. When i was trying to fight for the limbaugh lost against cuban to buy they favor them so much gutter system down guys like us. We trained to be to be professional fighting. Those guys trained to be the avenue. All they really never going to be professional and they got that system down pat where the point you could drop them twice and making pop pop. Pop the one point of heavy. You ain't the dropping twice. He goes pop pop. Now even put the head mammals different. We lose amu- for coming approach beaten. Everybody knows with system. Different system differences could And email what other what other. What are the projects she have coming up. I see your sponsored by Cady does commercials now The for sweater wax is like a a mexican brand pedialyte but as for for mexico and We're just investing investing the money Buying laws right now. We're on verge of finishing the twenty six houses Real estate gaza make it anymore. That once again real estate us much as you But thanks to my dad and the people around me. They're helping me out a lot and in all because boxes not forever you know you have to pressure money in some light told me. His name is mr monday and he told me rule number one is. Don't lose what you've got and just to be smart. And and the first time i was buying dump stub guys feel like anybody would but you know we have five kids so i gotta look for their future as well but long as i keep listening to to the older guys that know how to invest the money. You know how to manage the money. I'm sure we're going to be good. You know what. I didn't have it. I want to bad habit. I don't want anymore. So i throw with all the cars toy. You can't drive them because there's no gas in them. Could this committee caused being. Tell me about. Tell me about your kids. And five kids road guide leaving blanks to now. I was actually going to bring. My son goes with me everywhere. He goes with me everywhere. heels are at the fight says well he's a character kidman his crazy not shy of anything. They'll go up to like. Hey we'll some like. What is that or his his his amazing. I'm nobody just my payment. I don't even think of limited to have children right and that's your time machine. It can the tide machine kids. Well i'm about to have a baby girl thirty swamp saying mexico catch up. I shoot blake stews though got that got that res thing is the position your life from me all the time for a lot of that. A lot of your motivation. That comes from your family. The akers my kids my my dad's always been there even me and him. We love each other. We hate each other but he at the end of the day. He's always right there behind me telling me what i should be doing. You know even. If i don't wanna hear he's still tells me from fucking outperform not doing this shrine and ms good to have people like that you know so you don't get misguided or go on the wrong direction like how i did one moment the gonna learn. Ceo comes a lot of money. Mike what what. What advice would you give no of managing money. The art positive powerful business people. They don't know how to handle money. The is not a great deal but actually the art of handling money after an you know and you learn to do that once. You pretty much math that that. I think you do a good life. I naturally the art. Trust me everybody. Rockefeller vent of play guided. They spend it and then nine hundred and thirteen taxes came only taking half your money so loud robber barons back in the duma vander rothschild. They did make it. The tax blew them away. They can handle the very few robert families will left active like they say more money more problems than as his true ran. Israel do allow. The problem had known the problem if you allowed to have a problem even if you lose all your money if that's the problem you allow that to be. A problem was buying a tiger. The most extravagant thing you know. I had playing. I heard god damn bunch of bunch to shed. Cold stuff had really interested in life. How many kids do you have. Seven seventy down when catch him walk. It's just call it. let's call it. The mike tyson treaty over mormon wife would love to have more kids. How was it my because this is. This is one thing that i think about a because you know everybody that i've talked to. You is like hey man. that's cool. Congratulations man but enjoy your sleep. Now it depends on the kid not always Nights for kids stuff. They their own personality. You're going to have to be responsible that something that you used to love. Anthem morning itself. Bishop should time machine. You'll go the future but you so you get up. Every time they crowded doing in the bay was quite. I was suffering to actually be. She can sleep. Biking sleep has kept saying. Hey hey go. Another round of nafta foolish you slice as a seven. That's gonna have to deal with like what are what's that word. Would you like your companion word out there. I'm thinking of it. It's not a wife. This amendment would babies a serious man. Now joke joke experienced. How would having a girl to having a girl shotgun ready to or as little blew my mind. Mouth is daughter sugar. The first baby shows a girl. Her name is bella. she's thirteen hundred eighty and going through it. From mix of hormone double trump was talking shit back to his s craze. Now these guys like pull people very pulled you. How would you like to end the perfect legacy for andrew weissmann. How would you like to leave the sport of boxing by becoming a two time heavyweight champion of the world. And do this to i'm ryan. You can and should going tier on your position to do this. Shit man laundry stays busy stay rating. Hit that embody man hit by the good. The biden come up. Thank you by just Becoming a champion again. Look all the things that nedal accomplished and now he's a he's a big beast you know. Moving up in ways is different from us. Heavyweights that we just stay at one sir way to come back and be a beef stew vision to give you want you to do it again. How many times you liked to defend your time a lot of times as much as i can is exactly. What do you have like a certain age when you when you would like to retire. Or is that just based on this crazy because before i even won the championship and all that I said that. I want to retire. When i'm thirty five years old and now have four more years to to give it all. I got to be super discipline for those four years to see where where it gets. Me so I think thirty five years old will be a perfect age in just spend time with family. I think when he thirty five thirty five is gonna be so nearly twenty nine professor. You're telling me. Mike i retire thirty four thirty four thirty four now. Just think where he will fight a couple of years. He has decided not to make he was getting gas. Kicks online move like how you say. Move ahead more is fighting. Good a stop. What i want that payday might i want. I need that payday. Man stopping beating people food. I get member wins enough enough. You know what i'm saying. It's never enough never enough baby coming out. It's never enough why're you you wanna fight. Yeah of course. But i like a boxing match as it should be calling all jake paul i did. I don't think he wants to smoke that. Jake paul oh you know fighter that he just different classes. Of course man. I'll fight them. I just think you know. I boxed amateur anonymously. i fought my whole life and russell and all that you know what i'm saying so anyhow but yeah go back to that. It's just different. You know the promoters in boxing and and in the usc ha the promotions are different. Like you guys have a couple of promoters we are able to negotiate get money unless you see fires were under an umbrella and they. The boss pays what he thinks he wants to pay now. I'm a two division. Unc chapel olympic champ. You know what i'm saying -ccomplish a lot of my life and the cuban me at the same paid you. When the when the guy that are making millions boggle aboard will be shit as a world champion. I agree with you. The majority of boxers don't make money might chevy the riding out all the expensive expensive. Take up so much. Shit you want older wonderfully all depends to who you sign within. Promoter is giving those vice. To and i'm a strong believer no promoters promotions Have locomotives thanks to god. I started my own promotion company. I signed yes. This spider His name is anthony. Got a neat guy. He's from oakland. He fought at the at my fight when i fall He's a southpaw. His a good fighter too. And i don't know if you guys seen carmelo's fire. There's five before him. He filed this asian guy his. Ms soto we. We signed him to toll mexican brother. They literally everybody. I hope to get him. You know i got a good to they freeze. I don't think so. I think different. This is a different breed. He he gets his show. Yeah check check this out mike. Ice bar that kid when he was eleven years. Old bonneville davis who was like a big chubby kid. Who's who's just were the same height as an eleven year. Old kid little fight hundred percent. I think he's his toughest throughout. Yeh what did they about. Kayla plan canelo. You think he'll plan has what it takes to to do. Good listen i'll know nothing like that. I want to see this guy busybodies talk. I saw a fight to pretty rung it. I think The guy's smart. I think you know me. Close smart well as fast lixion. He's he's super explosive. Super compact man is smart. He's in a stock. I think he'll stop all. I'll think he'll stop everybody except vitas. Even if he does be is like now i think within the is take. He's on with some show. These tough i will take another put that shit on Ellos counterpuncher. And i think he does good with the little people that are taller than ham. And then i realized he is really good. I think it's better than all the other guys that he's fought but he asked covers up. He stays like shield. I don't think you you don't like that position. I don't that's not good position. Finance those punches died those punching. Throw from there to those who run up. Those uppercuts left hooks super-slick super-slick as young is strong way. You struggle pull crazy we. I've i've been owning him since he was really young and we will train. Freddie roach is jim i like him to the fan to Said but that's all it is is for us to get the opportunity and for us to you know take it in and take advantage of it and i feel that's what he needed the opportunity in. I'm sure i'm sure He's gonna do good things. He's one of the chiloe brother before he finally allow electoral brothers. That one of them. Yeah the The show right charlie. Oh yeah yeah. I can tell us a crew to cello. Be your doug. Men are really good to multiple. Both of whom are blessed. Winds may fight a bit of a real tough one with one little guy. The chatter doll you know loosely. Dot says were what be you think cannella would agree with that. You think cannella would say this is my toughest match up. If if you know him now. I think i never say that. He's in a. he's in a bit everyone. I don't think or disconnect will think that's that's the toughest matches puzzle can never be moved in shit. You learn the old mr lee. Hamad ali thing like a butter. You know what i'm saying. But that's how the he moved. he slipped. he's not a typical mexican. Fight it yeah. He's out there to take punchy. American fight a tips phone. Yeah dan. there's there's not a better combination in that. He thinks he's pound for pound might. Yeah more so than crawford. I feel because he's been more active. He's already in the black community bat. You might cool at me. He's the baddest motherfucker on the scene. Now there's people i also think it's right there. Muhima crawford really do. I wanna see craigslist. Fight mike while they're good fight. I'll know i think he did. Exactly i thought spencer benson supposed to stop him and he held his own with sense spencer. Many was going to be an exciting fire. It there which ones spent in the tobacco. I got man. We're just talking about it back back with with john man. We we gotta gotta go a pack. I can't i wanna see some. Ibm before choosing against upset to me upset for me. It's hard to go against a proven champing parliament. Eight division world champ. I mean the dude has being everybody under the sun. You know what i'm saying. I fought everybody's his experience in the fact that he's south pond. He's inundated meeting awkward and and he did punish them and fight. Spent more so than spend terminal fight with First name earl spence else. That's keith thurman. Did they fight now. Known for porter. Try thurman didn't find thermoses. They're both for I wanna know man is hard to beat the achieve against them. You know you shouldn't. That's that's that's the Wave somebody and make a mistake. He's all over the place to exciting. Yeah well something. We'll go mike man. You got any closing thoughts here for any reason. Any advice matt think the possibility of you really believe he could be champ again. I should think. I think he should do that. Keep fighting good fights excited for the champ fight for the title. That'll be entitled theory. Be awesome fight. That's the way. I actually wrote it on some piece of paper and i. That was one of my. You'll keep coming forward. You have to be first on the combinations. And he's an awkward but the head he moves but the body doesn't value saying throw the body allow the body. And you goodbye to this way in show a mighty didn't knock somebody out in the head. Got the heart mind body poop. A man and he has been a pleasure. Been honor man. Congratulations on all your success. For sure you you're the rocky. You're that rocky story man. The guy that nobody needs to had everything after one five men. We just wanna you know we over. I don't think people know. Andy release and knowledge. It's gotta be way and make money for your family to kate people. That's what this is all about anyway. Yeah we'll end it there guys. Yes thank you guys for watching this episode hot boxing with mike tyson. I'm co host triple c. aka. 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254. Tyson Fury on how easily he will beat Wilder

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254. Tyson Fury on how easily he will beat Wilder

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I only senior boxing writer with yahoo. Sports he's here and we run through all the news of the week. It has been an incredibly busy week yet. Fireworks at the camello alvarez. Caleb plant press conference. You have a huge heavyweight fight between alexander and anthony joshua and you have still some drama in the lightweight division lima lopez ryan garcia. Joe joe dias devon haney. What is going on with that. I get into all that and much. More with kevin. I only a little bit later on. Tyson fury the wbz heavyweight champion. He is here and he is in a mood. Tyson light talk about the delay in the deontay wilder fight. He has some very choice. Words for deontay wilder talks about his recovery from covert nineteen and his thoughts on the joshua ads and fight this weekend. Fear of course has some skin in the game on. That wants to stick around for that as always subscribe rate review. This podcast wherever you download. Podcasts all right onto the show. All right kevin. I only is here. Senior writer yahoo sports friend of the podcast. Lot to get into this week kevin. We've had some drama. We've got some drama to press conference some drama at a fight scheduled for next month. You've got anthony joshua alexander coming up this weekend. So i'm glad you're here man. I want to start though with the press conference for nilo alvarez and kayla plant. I kind of had a feeling kevin that this was going to be spicy in the aftermath of the oscar valdez positive drug tests kayla plant. That's been saying some pretty incendiary things about canelo team. Canelo eddie renault. So i did wonder if he was going to say this say similar things when he was face to face with canal. He did that kevin and a lot more. Anything that may have said about caleb alvarez couple years ago kale plan took it to another level like you said you're a cheater. He looked nozoe and said your camp is full of cheaters. like it it was pretty. It was pretty wild to see that. Give me your takeaway on canal alvarez kayla the press conference well when i was listening to kennedy was like i thought he had fred sternberg. Writing is form you know the the famous publicist who is known to stir the pot for a lot of guys on. But you know. I see you knew. I think you talked to caleb as the The fight in las vegas pack. Yoga's fight where you know. He he said similar things and he had to. I think in this. I'm kinda introduce himself and get attention by talking that way. Because you know if you're going to sell this pay per view boxing. People know him the the really hard core fans know him but the public doesn't know who the hell is right. I mean the public at large does not know him so if he's can get attention and and look at this fight and sell it. I think he had to do something so i wasn't surprised that he did something you know. I protocol and the other day. That i thought it was ridiculous on both of their parts. You know canelo. I a shove him and then Caleb to throw a punch back but having said that you know. I think it was predictable that caleb would Would try to serve the pot and get nilo upset. Yeah look there's no easier way to piss off canelo alvarez then to call him a drug cheap. I mean when you go off. Can enable sanchez. Did that in the weeks. And months before the rematch triple g. You could see kello seething and that manifest itself as well on friday night when capello took the fight economic in ways that no fighter up until that point had taken the fight to get off. Can i get the same vibe off. Canelo push him. Don't say they bought my mother. That was ridiculous. I mean even if kayla plant repeatedly called yellow for that is not that is not insult to your mother. I mean as somebody put it out on social media. A canal said the same thing that the android a few months ago. It's not you're not implying. I can't believe me of explaining to the audience here but we get pillowcase. English is a second language so we give them a break right now. He's really began. Canal knows that caleb plant is not insulting canellas mother. he's just know does know that he knows that he he was kevin. He was just pissed off that kayla. Plant call them a cheater. They was looking for any reason to do it. And using the language as an excuse to shove him and mix it up with him. I think as far as press. Chris breast if he knew it then he looked like a fool because he's making himself look like an idiot right so i give them a break. I say english is his second language and even now sometimes you interview him. He looks the interpreter. Right you know to know does up to. I mean i've done the last. What four five fights of canelo alvarez. He understands every word that comes out of your mouth like he's he doesn't respond like his ability to to speak. English is is not as strong as it might be but his ability to understand it. He's got it. He's most unless you're speaking to him really fast and in long sentences. He's going to figure out he knows what you're saying. I agree that he understands. I agree but i think it's an idiom right. it's not. It's not a word in the dictionary. And i i i. I'm gonna disagree with you. I just buy he. He did not know and i think that you know he because otherwise if he knew he looks like an idiot and canal versus not an idiot. I mean until. I and i don't think canelo And the other thing. That's important note about this. And i know you know there's been a lot of the fans don't if they didn't do the press conference. The staredown happened before the press conference right. So that was that was interesting because you know if you watch the press company all the crazy stuff that i was saying and then you say okay that golden canal building them up and then when they get to the stared on he calls them for an sets him off but there was no reason for him to be set off by that little in saw right unless he did not understand what it meant because there hasn't been any other insults Up to that point. Yeah i again. I just think in elo is livid at the accusations of him. Being cheater every surface kayla plant is not saying anything that's inaccurate. Mellow in two thousand eighteen did test positive for clenbuterol that is a banned substance yellow attributed. It too tainted meat. Not everybody believed him goff and his team use that against him. Do you it this way. This is strategy on the part of kayla plant. Or do you think he's just altruistic is trying to eliminate drug use from boxing. I certainly think of some kind of strategy. I'm not sure would benefit is gone. I don't think it's i think it's you know he's hey. Look you know you. And i look at it. And and and kayla plan said during the press conference. None of you people believe in me. None of you. People believe that's the other parts coach the other parts who i'm with kayla plant on like the disrespect card but he stood up there and he said something back to back sentences where he was bragging about his performance against jose takagi which was is best win to date but it was. Takagi is not not even close to canellas level but in his prime. Who's the guy was not close to. And then he's kind of bringing up canelo's cannella being kinney because jose miguel koto clipped him. Eleven years ago kevin. I think we're on the same page. You've been to as many fights as i have guys got good at china's anybody in and around his weight class so i'm not really sure where i was going with that. Hey look he fought. Eleven rounds for circe cobra love cove levels toward the end of his career. But we could still hit at that point and took shots from coble of he survived. He survived that fight. Cannella want twenty. Four round took kinetic go off yes. The biggest punch in boxing not only didn't go down and you never came close to going down never wobbled so this guy has a chin. You know an. Hey look when. You're fighting feigin butch and mike lee and these guys you know you don't know what is a good fighter is right and i think he's going to be you know. Hey i'm not breaking any new ground here saying he's going to be in for a big surprise when you know also east getting pummeled by hours. I i thought it was maybe foreshadowed. The fight when after the canal push kayla plant through kind of this left-hand canal block and then quickly came right back with a left of his own the clip gala plants. Under the i both these guys by the way are lucky. That wasn't worse than what it was. I was texting with some people from showtime that were out there at that time were had their hearts in their throats there because they wondered if that cut was going to cause a delay in the fight. Seems like it's not at this point but one of those said at the end of their back and forth at the press conference was he's like you're going to run. You're gonna run run run. And i i kind of believe that kevin like everybody gets in with kamilo. Think he's a big puncher. They underestimate the speed and they feel the power and they taste the speed and all of a sudden they're moving and they're not throwing as many punches as they usually do in fights and i have a sneaky feeling that kayla plant is going to perform something like that i mean. Is there anybody in boxing who punches. Better to the body than canova garcia said that to me many times like you said it's cartoonish the way that can o. Throws body shots. And i mean you know. It's those are debilitating punches heathrow's and you know so that's amid but you know i mentioned one thing about the stared on you said you were texting with people from showtime. What really got me. And i wrote this on my call like where was tom brown. He's the promoter of the event. Yeah you have to have somebody there. The reason that there there is not to take frigging pictures. It's to make sure something happens now. You know when canal starts to shove you know you can get in between there and you can at least block. You can't but you can prevent the punches from coming and all the other stuff on obviously kenosha could knock plant off the stage and twisted his ankle or cut his head or any number of things but then the subsequent that cut on the i wouldn't have happened if the promoter was there the other stuff what happened and that's just negligent. I'm not sure what is going on. Why why they're letting that happen. I mean that was that was just gross negligence in. It was kind of funny. Because i i had written that call right after the event happened in my column was posted. You know late afternoon. And then that nineteen white went on and started ripping showtime about the facts. I thought i'm not the only one who feels that way. Look i think dana's right when you have as much bad blood between these two guys over the last couple of weeks you've got to take every precaution and there were no precautions taken. Like i'm with you once. The shove happens right. Maybe you can't prevent that from happening because you do want the intensity of staredown shove happens you need like five is in between those two to make. It doesn't escalate to where it escalated to no doubt and i think that has to change and you know the thing is it's also foreseeable even if plant wasn't seen in because this is his first time on the big stage and guys you know their heart rate gets going the motions gone and sometimes you know you've seen it when when the guys in that position. He reacts he doesn't normally react and so you know canals cool and you know is not gonna do anything unless you you know you push them to a certain limit you know cannella push to push it but So i think you know that was another reason to have somebody there. But i think from going forward i think that hopefully the promoters learned they have to have somebody standing there in between and they also have to have security right there that will be ready to a grab everybody and get them away. I agree i agree all right. Let's talk about the absolute shit. Show that is fema lopez and george cambozola. So as we record this lopez cambosix is still set at least officially for october fourth. Which is a monday at madison square garden. As we record this ryan kavanagh the co founder of thriller. He's trying to move it to october. Sixteenth at the barclay center to describe this as ham handed kevin would be grossly underestimating. This was a fight that was originally scheduled for june scuttled because fema lopez tested positive for. Kobe can't do anything about that. But since then this could have done something. Oh sure do anything about that since then it has been one public debacle after another. There was a potential rescheduling for the summer then thriller had this idea to do the fight in australia. Then they put the fight on a weekday in new york. Then i brought tober fifth. Then they're like well we don't want to go up against the yankees and the red sox as if that's a real only want to have. That conversation will go up against yankees red sox. Then they moved to monday and suddenly they realize that there's a money football game they don't want to go up against you couldn't coming for the last four months or whenever the nfl schedule was released. So as i understand it. Kevin and i've only talked to the fema side on this. They're not moving if he was in public with those comments. People behind the scenes of back that up to me our good friend lance bug buyer. He's been reporting that. This is going to move to the barclays center on october sixteenth. I think is great. But i've i've not heard that i've heard pretty steadfastly that the lopez camp is basically willing to go to court to make sure that despite stays on october fourth. I don't blame them. Like this has been one delay after the next what are you. What's your understanding about when lopez cambosix is going to happen. And what do you make of everything. That's happened with chiller over the last few months. Answer the second question i is total amateur hour holdaway. Amateur hours They look like fools and you know the less attention we pay to them. The better after this fight forgot about them. But you know. I think for five can end up on october fourth. I think they have a look. They're going to alienate the garden in a big big way. They've already alienated the garden. I mean what they're doing with this music and whatnot. They've already heard their relationship with the people at the garden. Now they try to move it. This isn't like moving out of new york to las vegas. They're giving into the the biggest rival the garden out shen. Yes right the top competition. They have are going to give it to them. And and then what are you doing to. The fight of. This shows. Ignorance of the sport here. We are as record this. The fighters are starting to get another peak in toward october fourth into very close. They're getting ready for that. And now you're gonna tell them. Oh now peak toward october sixteenth. Change it. You can't do that. You know and expect the fighters to be at their trop complete moron. Ick behavior complete amateur hour. And this is the company giving us fifty eight-year-old vander holyfield in fight. Joe for nearly a who's opponent had some crazy record of I think twenty five percent. Winning percentage fighting a former heavyweight champion and it turns out. They were friends and having breakfast after the way in so when they fight. It's not a real fight. I mean trailers doing is just. I thought on the twice jones show. The production was good and i said that. And that's the last thing. I can say patroller ever since you know since they've been in existence is that they're they produced tyson jones. Show well other than that. It's just been a total shit show. Yeah it has. And i wonder if they do stay in boxing and they do if they get involved in purse bids to do legitimate fights which i don't know if that's going to be the case anymore like what do you do if you're fighter like you can't trust them you can't trust them to put on a show in a timely manner and if you can't you're risking months out of your taffy imo had hoped to have this fight over with at some point in the summer and then he could move on to another fight before the end of the year. He's still claims. He wants to fight twice before the end of the year when his child his first child is scheduled to born. I just don't think you can believe or trust in shriller putting on events in a timely manner. I mean initially kevin. I thought they were great for boxing. Great for fighters fighters get paid more. I love purse. Bids like bring on. Personally it's generally leads to a good fight being made one way or the other fighters get paid as a result of it even better. But i don't know. I mean i think there's a part of me i still when i talk to people about this. I still think there's a possibility fight. Just defaults like they swallow the million plus that they've put into it when it comes to the fighters and walk away and then we'll see if disown in her. Espn and top rank if they want to pick up despite i'm still not one hundred percent sure. Having this fight is going to happen. Well i'll tell you something. I had heard three weeks ago at this point and and i reached out to people a trailer and and lopez The fight would not happen. And i asked people at trailer and they denied it was going to happen. Going to go forward but you notice that they didn't put tickets on sale until you basically was two weeks before the fire three weeks before the fight and only after dan raphael You know put on a thing saying that. The fights chickens weren't on sale So yeah. I would not be surprised if it doesn't happen. You know the thing is they would trigger. Did too was. I think dave make water came up with a good strategy. Hey lopez was at odds with top rank and he looked at it and said hey. Let's use the power of the purse bid to our favor and they could have pushed a lot of fights to purse bid and had things happen because he's an undisputed champion. There's gonna be a lot of. I been a lot of mandatory is coming up now. Trailer messed that. Option up for fighters because who wants to go to a person and potentially get to fight promoted by them. Yeah you make more money. But you're gonna you know your career is going to be put on hold and lord only knows what will happen now. It's just a big risk involved with them at this point so we'll see what happens week or so to go until the scheduled lopez campos despite all right. We are looking at a pretty significant heavyweight. Fight this weekend. Anthony joshua defending his three versions of the heavyweight title against alexander. Kuske of course the former undisputed cruiserweight champion three fights into his heavyweight career. How do you look at this fight. Gavin joshua's the established heavyweight but sick is probably going to be the most skilled fighter that anthony joshua has gone up against my wrote this in my bed and column the other day at i not seen fight chazz witherspoon and i didn't know about that. I would have picked this really okay arcing ability so good but then i saw that fight. And i can't erase from my mind. And he came back and redeem himself to a degree against actress. Zohra with a with a good performance. Not a great performance but a good performance and dirt soil as we know is no slouch. But he's anthony joshua so. I really have a hard time getting i picked. Aj to win the fight. Because i look at an. I said you know what i i. I believe you call that fight. If i'm not mistaken witherspoon fight. He looked comfortable with the size. Witherspoon hat and this was a totally shot. Totally washed chazz witherspoon. Who really was never that great in the first place and i thought even though he stopped him at the end of the seventh wrong. I thought he had trouble with them. And i to me that set up an alarm bell to me now. I think you know he's. He's a great defensive fighter. He's very smart. Knows where things are coming from. And i i love his offensive game but it he can be willing to take a risk that you have to take against anthony joshua and given his difficulty with witherspoon. I see joshua. Probably you know winning. A fight could be an ugly fight. Yeah i'm less concerned. With what i saw against witherspoon because watching that fight and calling at ringside it did feel like ucla who was coming off a long layoff following. That injury felt like he was carrying. Witherspoon there are a couple of times in the second or third rounds that i thought if he flurry and got when he had witherspoon the corner he could've finished but he backed off. I think he was trying to get some rounds in for the early part of that. I'm more concerned with what i saw. Zora seora thirty seven thirty eight now. He's basically a four round fighter at this point. He runs out gas before the second half of the fight begins but during those first four rounds he had success like he used his size as an advantage in pressure sore in ways that are pressured music in ways. They never in pressure before. And that's kind of what you're going to have to deal with against most heavyweights that he goes up six not small but he's only six three now we're in the era of heavyweights being like six six. An above joshua's. So i just wonder how he's going to perform against a big strong heavyweight that has proven he can go the distance and be strong in rounds ten eleven and twelve had to do it very often but went deep went. The distance with joseph parker has gone deep into fights against the likes of wladimir. Klitschko anthony josh was going to be in great shape for this fight and if he starts to assert himself physically. I'm very interested to see what six counters are going to be in to your point. Is he going to open up a little bit. We'll take a chance or two to try to get inside and do something with joshua because if if not if he's not throwing the same number of combinations that we saw with him as a cruiserweight he has no shot against the guy the size vanity. Josh what heavyweight. I wrote this in my column the other day. I said you know uses the size of mohammed ali in his prime six hundred fifteen pounds but i saw the picture. Today that came out of england of the press conference in the staredown that they did with a draw. Yoo-suk tiny standing next to anthony. And i think you know he's going to have to fight a perfect. He has the skills to win the fight. No doubt about it. i mean. He's one of the best boxers in the world. And i think it's fair to say you know i don't think one hundred seventy five pounder it's probably fair to say from one hundred seventy five. There's no better boxer in the world the news but having said that you know size is a factor when the other guy has talent and so anthony. Joshua is a talented fighter. He has flaws. No doubt about it. i think if for him to win the fight. I think he's gonna have to find a range where he can get inside. Work the body get out then go down up and he has to change things and he's gotta make joshua fight when he doesn't wanna fight. I think that's a thing you know anthony. You see him like he gets in that rhythm where you know he throws a combination takes his you know time and gets us barack another combination and you gotta when he's trying to get that you gotta be on them and make them fight and you're gonna put yourself in range when you do that when you try to connect with them so you know the witherspoon fight is one that scares me because you know you were closer than i was. You're right there on on the apron and you saw that You know my perception of it as he was having trouble with the big guy the the length that witherspoon presented to him i thought was of them. And you know that You know he just didn't seem to have the best game plan to into figure out how to deal with that size and it worries me because joshua is superior to witherspoon of course. He's gotta make joshua uncomfortable in these early rounds and he's got to take him out of his game plan and make joshua go back to the corner after the fifth sixth seventh rounds and look at rob mccracken and say. What do we have to do differently. I think he's got to try to build an early lead. I agree with you. You can't let joshua get into any kind of rhythm and he's been started do that at least in the two fights since andrew is beat him back in two thousand nine hundred and he was much more of a boxer against ruis. Operating off that jab. He did knock out brought poulet but it was a different type of knockout. I thought he was more cautious in that situation. I don't think you can count on joshua getting as reckless as made we've seen him at different points in his career and got to be able to take that power man. I mean i've i've eaten plenty of you-know-what for saying josh was composed and ferocious finish your. But he is. He is a very good finisher and if he catches you with something and never taste that kind of power. He's going be able to finish off one way or the other all right. I want to ask you about the lightweight division which is really starting to piss me off kevin. It really is like this. This is your new dimitrius andrea right. It really is. It's just how many tweets do. I have to read from devon haney ryan garcia and joe joe dias basically calling each other names but not being anywhere close to making fights. I mean these are three guys that are effectively under the same promotional umbrella they all golden boy has garcia. Hanes with eddie hearn. But they're all under the zone umbrella. These are fights are very makeable and yet all this back and forth now. Ryan garcia was at the cannella press conference. He says he. And joe joe aren't going fight in november december. Hopefully that's true the wbz it's infinite wisdom in order to limit. Why are we doing eliminators. After eliminators i thought ryan garcia was after beating. Luke campbell was the mandatory. And now i thought joe after beating four tune. It was the med with. Isn't the final eliminator. Okay this is minute. I i don't know interim the interim diamond the wpa starts getting rid of the interim titles and the love you wbz comes back with them. Devon hanes out there waving his hands going. I'll fight anybody. But we need an interim title at lightweight. I'm on this call. But let me just say this real quick before lopez shaneco fought. I know dan rayfield win. Last pug meyer. We're on this. And i don't remember if you were on the called mauricio suleyman and i asked him specifically about the franchise champion bs. And what would happen after lopez loma janko and he said the winner of this fight will be wbz champion now. We got evan. Haney as wbz champion. But if i take with the president of the wbz's i also have lopez as the undisputed champion having the wbz doubt. And now we're gonna have a third wbz champion. If in fact these two guys fight that's the craziness of all this while the lopez haney stuff. He's probably i mean it's all pretty easily resolvable like diaz and garcia should fight before the end of the year. That's a good fight that's a meaningful fight. That's a makeable fight. And while haney and lopez are under different promotional umbrellas. That should be a makeable fight. And i say that because the wbo just showed the wbz what to do call for a purse bid you have a franchise champion who never intended to be the franchise champion. You didn't name. Fema lopez franchise champion. You named low marchinko franchise chapin you have a wbz. Titleholder endeavour haney persp-. I think taffy taffy mos- actually called for this haiti. I'm all for it. Order per sped. Let top rank. And eddie hearn. Go at it. Lots of people make money. Everybody gets a big fight. I don't know why this is an easy. Kevin it should be so easy from arista lamont and the wbz to get involved with the big fight by ordering a purse bid between these two guys. You know i'm gonna throw ryan garcia. When i make this comment but when i when i look at haney when i look at lopez joe dias drawn davis all. These guys are willing to fight right. They're all willing to fight each other and yet the system of boxing is so messed. Stop that it makes it hard to get these fights on you know. I truly believe these guys wanna fight right you referenced. The joe going out ryan On social media. I think he's just frustrated like what i do and i and i believe that's true of the other guys has as well in there and so i think this shows how crazy the business of boxing really is. That is it standing. In the way of what i think is the best division. Maybe that we've had in the sport. I haven't given us a lot of thought. So i'm going to say something. But the best division of sport in the last ten or fifteen years. I mean there's a lot of really good fighters high end fighters you can. I see devon haney being a pound for pound guy and then you you know fema already is some people things you're gonna is. I think kevin haney has that kind of ability to not only be eight per pound guy but maybe be the best one day. I don't think. Ryan and joe. Joe are in that category. But they're certainly very talented fighters very good fighters so you're talking about a really deep strong division With some other good fighters in there and and the mechanism that boxing has gone on his. Just absolutely you know obliterated All the excitement about the that. They're fighting the division had created. I mean this should just be so easy. Ryan and joe joe fight in november ever devon haney and taffy lopez can get together via person. You have that fight in the winters fight each other like this should not be. Everybody would get rich. A profiles would be raised. I think win or lose profiles would be raised amongst those spiders and boxing is lifted in general. You mentioned your birthday davis. This is another kind of this. Gets stuck in my cross. So to speak with davis. I look he's going to be twenty seven years old in november. He's fought basely nobody in his career. I don't want to hear about josepa. Draws. what a great win that was. I don't hear about mario barrios but a great win. That was this is a electric ticket selling guy with great power who has no resume to speak of. And i've said this before and i'll say it again. i do. Not believe. Davis davis his handlers. Believe he can beat anybody. I they believe he can beat anybody with a pulse. Otherwise they would be proactive about making him. The kind of legacy fights that his promoter floyd mayweather as you well know. Having covered floors entire career fought very early. Floyd before he was pretty boy and was money kind of picking and choosing when he thought he was fighting diego. Corrales he was fighting jose-luiz castio. He was fighting chico hernandez you know in his early to mid twenties. He fought some unbelievable fights. Today it is your avant has spot. Nobody do not come to me. Do not tweet at me. And talk to me about jose. Rosza being this signature win. Do not talk to me about. Mario barrios who was like maybe the sixth or seventh. Best hundred forty pounder. That's out there. Don't talk to me about that being signature win from one thirty right up to around one forty. You have some of the best talent in all of boxing. It's not germont as fault that none of these guys fight under the banner most them are with other promotional entities. But these are very makeable fights. Whether it's on showtime on fox on another platform. I have not seen any real effort from the bbc side. Mayweather promotions to make a big fight with giovanni dave's ryan garcia. Said this kevin. He's he said it on instagram last week. Said i don't think that devante ever gonna fight anybody real. I agree with them. I agree with you. I think he might be like thirty thirty before he takes a real fight. Let let me say this is how i look at the situation. I think you know. Look at the welterweight when how manhandled the welterweight. She had terence crawford on one side. And then you had you know spent thurman porter you know. I guess you throw who goes into that group but you know the on the welterweight said heyman hat he would never let them fight terence crawford right. It just stayed until there was no choice and it was kind of a. It's i'm glad they're fighting. And i think that's a good fight that's been made but it's way too late for that fight. That fight should have already happened in in the spence crawford. Fight should've already happened. So i think this is the strategy you know they want to build this guy up into this in a mythical monster and then operative word there mythical being but but that's what they to do they want to get you know have thirty five or forty five zero with forty one knockouts and just you know nobody can touch and then they wanna they wanna score big on one fight where it's just as huge payday. I just don't like that. And i think what happens in how you build fighters and how you really make money. How can take credit for floyd. I don't believe that al. You know deserves credit for florida or leonard. For that matter. I mean floyd did his own thing. Floyd did his own thing and he did it. Look under the top rank banner when he became a pound for pound type guy against those that we talked about him. I think i was the first person to call floyd number one pound for pound when he'd be corrales i had him as he had roy jones and some people had shame moseley at that point. And i have floyd mayweather and that was two thousand january. Two thousand one and floyd did his thing so i i think we have to discount floyd but we look at just for this discussion and look at the way that mayweather promotions in. Pbc has handled some of these other situations. And they wanna make they wanna get that one big score. And i think the way you have to do it. Is you know what go in there and fight you know. Hey ryan garcia want give credit. They went on the podcast. Were gonna fight with tyson. They had that thing they were going to make that fight If you can get driven each take those fights and get in there. And i i would disagree with this notion that he's not good enough. I think he no. He's i think lopez the best of the group. And i think devon haney is probably the second best of the group but you want to see them i kevin i don't personally i don't believe that your avantis not good enough. I'm just saying the way the way. Pbc and mayweather promotions or operating. They don't seem to believe he's good enough. They are not being proactive in putting him in big fights. And where to me. This differentiates from kind of the whole. Pbc welterweight angle is like while you're kind of alone on an island over there in and around that way class like any hearns. Been very public. Saying devon haney is is a free agent network free agent. You think any wouldn't take relatively short money or the short side of the stick to bring devon haney over showtime germont davis of course he would giovanni can make a boatload of money fighting devon haney. But that's too risky for the promoters and the people that are guiding. The career of germont davis. No i i understand what you said and i. I think there's a point to that. But i think the kid is good fighter and i think that the best way you know what if he loses let. Let's say you put him in with one of those guys. You know whoever it may be you know devastating and he loses your bring them back against ryan garcia and. Hey you know. He's going to build himself up. But i think i think he would be successful in a lot of those fights you know and i think it's It's a shame because you make him that much bigger and sugar ray. Leonard law should roberto duran but that didn't diminish him did it right. He could go down the list. All these guys lost significant fights skill. Oil lost significant fight. Shane moseley lost significant fights. All these guys lost at some point. I don't think like what's your day has now the kind of star power abilities sell tickets and drive ratings. That's not going to go away. Like he's still going lost devon haney. He'd still probably sell out in arena in atlanta or baltimore or wherever because he has a core group of fans that love to watch him. I don't think this is the same thing as mayweather. Who was so his popularity. Just really hinged on that undefeated record and he he kinda marshaled that he used that as a way to drive spent. I don't think germont as the same way. I think is fans want to see him because it's fun to watch like a really fun fighter when it comes you know. Hey look that was an entertaining fight. You know the barrels. i mean to me it. To minister vaunted in my eyes. A little. Bit chris because i felt like travolta should be able to handle them that i know he went up and bigger guy and etcetera etcetera etcetera. But it to minister. I don't think barrios all not and dramatic goes in there and struggled with barrios. But i think he's a fun guy to watch. I enjoy his fights. You know he's not the greatest promoter of own fights certainly. Now you can't really get much out of him but I think you know. He promotes himself in the ring. And i think that those fights need to be made. Of course they do. I mean and by the way let me say. Let me throw something else out. I know you work for zone. But aren't you appalled by the way. To eddie hearn has promoted this Joshua fight basically no availability for josh lewin. The united states whatsoever. I don't know if you were getting all the emails that they were sending. You probably aren't on that since you work. I'm on that on the emails. It was going to be. That's what we're gonna do. An interview with american zoom last week and it was like three different times for different types in this week it changed about ten different times and he finally did it yesterday afternoon teaching three times yesterday. And you know you wanna make this guy a star and you know and fight him around the world and you just basically ignored the largest market out there. I mean completely asinine and what. I reached out daddy her and three time soon when they said that they weren't gonna do one on ones which i wanna talk to him please. You know what we're number one in concord we're bigger than espn. We have largest website out there. My platform is big in the uk. And guess what they didn't do it. That is just really shortsighted. And i think that that you know that is to be called out to when we're going to meet with the promotions. I think we got call. And i think eddie harness the best promoter author today but he really dropped the ball on auto percent on on. Look every every promoter including eddie her including me the most needs to do more with their fighters and to take it to another step like if joshua wins this fight against new sick. It's probably a disappear for like three months like there's no really striking while the iron hot so to speak when it comes to. Boxing should be doing mass media interviews after the fact continue to build on that momentum instead they kinda hibernate for a while until they come back and they need to do media to help build up to satisfy their networks that they're appearing on. So i'm i'm with you. There's a whole different conversation about boxing promoting and working with the media. That can certainly be had. But i mean you know to circle it back to the lightweight division. It's it's not even that's that division. Like i mean how. Many fighters out there kevin who fought once or not at all this year with no fight schedule. The mean jamaal charles to meet your andrea. We don't even go back down that road because that'll just give me a headache. Sergei kovalyov adrian boehner like they're like these are popular fighters that have nothing on the books at this point. I'm going to turn this year. I mean yeah. Like he's scheduled to fight one up. He's got a fight coming up there. I mean what happened to at least getting to win usually three. It's crazy man like it's just sport can be so self destructive when it comes to watch the documentary. What did you notice about the about the fight stuff. It was how awful the in a given year right. Yeah and when you're on the rise and when you're becoming the man you need to fight a lot you know when you're making these huge paydays like mayweather made and kamilo makes you know. People can't afford to pay that multiple times a year. So you don't fight because of that a the fighters don't need to fight more often than that at that point but i think the guys at the level that we're talk and they should be fighting three three or four times a year minimum. And and they just don't do it. Yeah i agree. It's it's crazy. Kevin always good to talk to you man. Thanks for joining. Meet on the show. And i think at some point will have to have like a. Maybe civil happen the next couple of months where it's like everybody's fighting each other giovanni is gonna fight devon haney ryan garcia gets joe. Jody as andrey jarl that ever happened. My head's gonna fucking explode. 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Two weeks on saturday looking forward to it so this was postponed because you tested positive for covert nineteen a couple of weeks before the july date. How are you feeling now. And what kind of what kind of things did you go through as a result of that. I'm failing goal. Geno been tried in month fairly got feeling good were you. I mean what kind of symptoms did you have to deal with. How hot covert twice now. So once back in maybe april or may of two thousand then twenty. I'm gonna say on. Then i had it recently so it was a the best time was was the second time all say not not a another thing to have happened before. Of course where people have tested positive twice but were you shocked that you test positive after having had it. Yeah i was pretty shocked. Because the fact that i was in las vegas for two more the miami i was in my las vegas for for a month of miami for a move pre-trading and i was out every night mingling with every body uphill parties. Just everything i was shopping. Centers bars restaurants hotels just taking. There was no mosques. Nothing i didn't get it. I i was in training. Camp lockdown uncombed. I'm it takes to go so quite crazy boy. Can you shit happens now that you had no choice obviously because of testing positive but you have a couple more months to prepare for the spite. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe it's a bad thing. But how do you look at the extra time. I didn't use it. I took a month off after. Got cove it. 'cause i've been in training camp say three months before so already ready go so i didn't take any extra time to prepare while doing to prepare for a boom lot wilder anyway. How can find on three days. Notice up fucking hundred pounds and still not kaposi out. Would it make pace ship. Boom folks tick us. What while. I don't even know if he can swear on this fucking intervene again. I'm going what what what what lie is he told lately. That's bothered you. I don't i don't interface although there social media and i don't want to interview so i can't get any negative stole any any bullshit story so whatever comes out taiwa this most of us a couple of years but obsolete doug shit so you know crazy crazy times i wouldn't. I'd hate to be the altay wilder right now. He's mentally unstable on one. I not final nail. Any coughing in two weeks. Time is retirement. Bye bye bitch wild. He used to be. It used to be bomb score. Bronze obama the knockout mom and then he met l. five gypsy k. Bald headed ugly bastard. Straight place and knock out rounds. It was the most one-sided heavyweight fight history seen them all one sided fight but of calls. I did nine i have. No cold busters only olds for game site. I mean he has basically accused you of being. Maybe the worst cheater in boxing history. I mean how. Do you feel about that folk because ben tulips. He's face when his this time. No i would like to please double check my uncle. Local does a nights before the fight. Because i have terrible tendency for sticking to dos. Does on eight hundred before fights did. Did that surprise you because you guys seem like you were on good terms after the first fight where there was some respect there and then after the second he kind of goes all in on this conspiracy theory that you were manipulating your gloves. And loading your gloves i i did. I have metal objects in one stage egg weights egg. Wait whites are non. what else i think. I took my style cycles jaren guy. I'm so manage to get it back. I'm not sure if safe impossible unless you're houdini but then again who knows. It might be houdini when you can. Paul one-sided beatdown amber champion light. It must be any you told everyone that would listen during last week. And i was there and i'll be honest with you. Tyson uh covered a lot over the years. Going back to your steve cunningham. Fight in the us. I didn't really believe you. I thought you were kind of playing ahead. Game with with wild. You went out there and did exactly that. Do you have the same mindset going into this fight yes sure. Mindset is knocking. There's no two ways about. It must fit as a fiddle. I'm told in seventy pounds. I'm six foot nine inches tall. And i can fight all day so there's nothing else i wanna do apart from smash into next week. If he's there he wants a battle royale get stuck into it. Let's do it. You know he was gonna fight some boxing guy who's gonna move around the ring gap launch decision in america. All know. that's not really possible. Don't wait so you know what you're a foreign fight overseas. i defined back trumpian. You've got to put a beatdown bitch because if you don't go home with an alum your echoed or you give them a chance to give you a l. I don't wanna do chances. I don't wanna lose. I fight hard to win along career. While i've been undefeated and losing to me is not option so whatever it takes to win on the night against wilder infre- free weeks time whether it's box in an unoccupied. Knock him out. I warn take it to whatever. The mindset is destroyed smash into paces even worse than. I did the first time when i stick my fingers in his ears where big shop nails on them had nails forgot about that one. I forgot about that. Macos all them safest speedboats jet turbos on them. Do you feel like you. I mean he had never lost before facing you. Do you feel like you broke something in him in beating him in that way. Yeah at least deontay wilder was thinking and he's mind like if he loses. It will be a good fight. An even fight type of thing in heaven forbid lose. I've bolt to give him a one sided baked down. Why not why wasn't even involved in a fight. He didn't land any punches. Oddly in seven rounds he didn't think that was possible so he has to make an excuse and he's weak. Mind why that happened. Because he's got the yes men rounding ask us than they have to make him believe. There was a problem in the fight. And i cheated enable for him to understand why he lost. Because let's face it. This guy forty seven hundred four our. We've all knockouts lose a fight shauwie so there has to be a reason and not mentality going into this fight casa recipe for disaster. I'll feel so sorry for him because if he would have had people rounded said well you got beat by on the night let's regroup change a few things get that would have been the best route to go down enable to accept defeat a move on unimproved you have to understand. How can you have to you have to take in a board. You lost defy accepting to move on. If i'm an alcoholic. I need to exit right. I'm alchoholic am. I going to get help but if i say i'm not an alcoholic and i don't need help. How am i ever gonna move for me. So he's in denial about easter defeat. Which means you can't overcoming ever. I think i know the answer to this question. But alaska anyway got a new group of people around him me. Scott he just brought in don house who has been saying. There's going to be more of a boxer in this fight. Are you expecting anything different. From the wilder. It doesn't really matter. Because the taiwan does deontay wilder. He can't account become somebody else. He's always going to be who he is. So angels. after if you take angelo dundee emanuel steward rayo sell at default bring them all back and try and deonte wilder. He com beat egypt. She came this not not possible jumps that he could beat me. He's always got punters jobs. Because you can always welcome to a big punch. But barring he can't wait it's not about what train your house or while guys brought in charleston movies fitness or anything. Because i've got. I know what he's gonna do. He's number. Which means i could be emergency fall ten times when nine times and draw wolves. So that's how that's how it works. It's like your namesake once said mike tyson. I mean everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face. And then you you revert back to what you were at the very beginning on the thing in the beginning walsum bobbed had a faulty fall. No wreck holt. It was like this is a good way to be so. I'm looking forward to see what they do with him like. Are they going to make him all. The boxer are they gonna make acceptable to be knocked out quicker. I don't know what we're gonna find out a couple of weeks anyway. So i chewed. Hey have you got a. You came out in two thrown last time for the fight. You got something plan big for this one. We have some incapacitate. I'm not going to tell you because it won't be. The last one was great. It was great. The throne was pretty cool paci. It was pretty cool. Pretty dude entrance. Typical tyson fury lost. Somebody got some nice plan. So i'm really excited to showcase air in the capital of entertainment. The world's patrol. I'm really looking forward to this guy. I cannot wait. I wish it was this weekend. But it's not on. I'm just gonna off to join me cells over the next couple of weeks. He joined training camp and again earning thirty. Oh this weekend is aj. You're gonna watch that. Yeah watching the live. Here are tierney afternoon What do you think. An interesting intriguing chope. Typical light smaller cruiserweight. Maybe up to half white and you got a big hole can heavyweight strong good body all lots of south pole versus which is always awkward. I'm interested to see eliane. Dole's stay smarter. Boxer type of i can say despite going a couple of different ways you can see go in like car because i know. Aj dozen after minerals to able to perform to go. I i would say the aj. So the way i would say to. Aj debate seconds. Get straight on him. All attack at the body utilizes trump again. All you have to have big balls to to do that. Aj doesn't help the stamina to do that solving. Because if he does a sustained attack tehran's it needs four to recuperate. Ed it could be entrusted. Everyone's like a sex small puncture and all social hall at the jobs. The the people triple me moshe to make career are the light non punches for canadian champion guy called method hijack by two thousand and eleven. And only i'd like five knockouts. Our sixteen wins guests wall. I got knocked over eastern state coming. I'd like cutting edge six knockouts in twenty seven wins. I guess well. I hit the converse. So when you address right east guys heavyweights especially. They're all big guys two hundred pounds role big. It can hurt. You won't take we're saying with. Aj before he will quit in a second. If he's under the pressure he's like a a cheap coaltion get from a shop. Just paul's apothecary. The pressure amounts what happens. Sometimes you know you could say dot here. Does it cost me like maybe oh no kidding no kidding you gotta be. You gotta be rooting for them. I'm rooting for Of rooting for you to call you. But you said something. I read something you said recently about like you'll beat while they're then fight dillion white before. Aj why would you never do that. Right like what you want to pay day man like that. Big number there all daryl. Big paydays on this level to be honest with well one's one's enormous though one book you may as well collect coins before. I'm those well keep going. I want to keep active. And we'll see. Sarah got fruit as the one thing i've learned about. Boxing is you can never count your chickens before they watch god one time victory which is the most important thing and then you could do all the all the fights while he's very dangerous Mom a mold the rest of making and he's always dot knockout power. I am very confident. Beaten by knockout. But never come to the rest of my punch like wild so you have to take embarrassed concentrate fall however long. Were not ring and get the job done then. I can figure out what i'm gonna do. I'd like to fight in december. If if i'm able to if it's like i think drew three and whatever up to find december but tila sky's own well challenge added against auto wally. Who's must over paul. Give me a good point. Excite poll six five ka-katrina head off a great game. Plummy of really fight against the lemoyne. So you'd never come tell what's going to happen in the heavyweight landscape you know. Heaven forbid bull wilder conduct. May spark could be joshua on wall. Incubate white folks don't say that we leave really big fights. I know but not lose my mind ever come tell what boxing. You're right of how conduct see especially heavy money stranger housewife strange because it's always a surprise lurking but honestly people people need to see you in the ring in hopefully wembley stadium or something like that. You know that that needs to happen in two thousand twenty two last thing for you. You're a saw jake. Paul offered your brother. Tommy a million dollars to fight him sometime later this year. Would you advise tommy to take that offer. Odd advice me to take was a bag carrier. Call fit for jake all one of these. Yes man tell me something. Yeah how about the pay per view over here on showtime last. Jake paul pay per view. Went for about fifty bucks southbound on the same he by a million views Yeah give or take. He's doing good numbers so they don't about a million views that's where the guy former fighters got like half a million followers on yup. Oh told me. He's a massive supporting got four million followers. These really big name so he got paid a few some uk as well so just say america and it did. I don't know. I five in the morning maybe half a million bison uk so why would he take a million dulles to fight. Jake paul. why just hate is like. I don't know twenty five million dollars on the tight block. Does not people have been paid so unless he wants to take that million dollars just be like a piece of shit basically he would be taken the fight because it's not fast us official now. I think you're right. I mean may with a tried to do that. Too many paki out for years. Yeah a different. Didn't make sense so it'd be splits and these fight has one. Fit children jake. paul. I like j. paul. I like call box. I think he brings. A lot of them is too nice ball. What i've come from being a kid doing it. You know most of the time of fifteen years there hasn't been not many is on the gay people have gone off because there's so many different also to follow these days but you know people like these youtubers and tick tacos and everybody else. They bring a lot of ice the game. Which makes it back your boxes coming fruit which you know. Everybody has a pump to see a band. Fight you the movie styles wanting to do it brought styles on everybody else. They'll won't be boxes. Don't wanna be fighters because it's probably model the most hardest things in the world. Today you could do get paid to do then. Credit tear no doubt about it tyson. Always good to catch up with you man looking forward to october ninth seeing you back in the ring once again. Thanks time all of us to take it easy. That's it for this week's episode. My thanks to kevin. I oli and tyson. Fury joined the show as always subscribe rate review. This podcast on apple podcasts. Spotify wherever you download podcasts. And next week. I swear we are gonna find sergio more. Here's today's don't. Don't throw out that old plastic bottle repurpose it by turning it into an awesome terrarium. Just fill it with sand pebbles soil and your favorite plant. it'll grow sealed right in its own ecosystem. Learn more at. She can send a message from the ad council. I want to get back to kiss an cheeks in my grandbabies making sunday dinner. What a house full of family and lots of laughs kobe. 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Hour 2: Anthony Joshua

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Hour 2: Anthony Joshua

"Our next guest is part of the big three in the heavyweight division. But many believe he's the alpha of that group. Twenty two wins with twenty one coming by knockout. Anthony Joshua back here with us. Good to see you could see guys time big time. What's going on? Fitting good. Fresh week. Good to camp. Yes. Well, we've had some guys visiting us that had some comments about you. I wanna I play Tyson fury's and get your reaction cool. For me on the Joshua needs to prove himself on the world stage, because he so Hoppy fighting in England, bayton Klitschko after on destroyed a mentally and how woven in an abate and fly to. So he needs to prove he's willing to step up to the plate and I'm fighting the best. You've heard that call mission, much take on that. Goes opinion. He's a credible fire. So he's what is valid and correct. And that's why we're chasing these plays a massive offering type of in London with a thirteenth, so I'll go about my business trying to achieve what he's saying. But they're the fight. He has an record the mind or equivalence minded. Don't tell you what we've full me, he Radimov for of a good FIS as well. Parker and others Joseph park up a vet kin. I think Tyson fury's had ready mixed grow water in his tenure career. So understand his frustration is he's probably going for the same approved himself. I well stage and I do too, but we put in for fury and meet him, very, very soon in the books was gonna hit talking about it is, is it relevant. Yeah. Listen. I eventually like to see you ties a fury angle. But I got a you know, you and I talked about this face to face when we met in the playoffs last year, you know what my number one. Target is DR. He showed up on this show as well to talk about you, and dare I say he wasn't that respectful. Listen to the man talking about you, Anthony of trying to fly Joshua five times its record five times, and all of a sudden he come to America, where he said, he would never have to come. Let's stay on our country air. You deserve it here. We don't need to go nowhere. We've done a great job here. The fans deserve it. All of a sudden, now only he come to my country. He's not find the champion he find law opposition. Your response to that. I want to know what you have to say about the tape WALDO basically accusing you of voiding him and running from him. Your response. The floor is yours. Why here and talk about it. Let's just meet in the ring and get talk his cheek nah done enough of that talking business. I'm a fire and that's what I one hundred business Dante water. When you're ready come see me table. Don't come for your promoters, and no more come sit with me man-to-man across the table. And get this fly soy, then there's no who said she said, it's men him. Hopefully, me and him can negotiate this also Anthony. When you knocked out Wladimir Klitschko, you knocked them out, fury, decision them. And it looked like Klitschko wasn't very motivated, but he was one, the lineal man who beat the man trace them back to John l Sullivan fought them afterwards, but fury looked like he was out of boxing, maybe never to return. And you fought very motivated Klitschko, who was great on that night and you got up off the deck to knock him out. That moment, there was a consensus around you. This guy's going about it the right way. He's, he's not afraid he's taking on. And since then, wilder and fury, forty charter wilder King Kong were teas- that's considered address fight, it feels like they have they have come up and the and the sense that, that, that good feeling around you has somewhat diminished. Like wait. A minute is AJ serious about mining these guys. How do you respond to that? Feel that type of energy kind of spread around headway division is good, because people have realized Tyson fury and don't say, what I've been professional eleven years. And in her career there were five in cab, drivers and been men so often they not realize this young kid coming up for years after us, and he's doing it at quick pace. So we need to step our game. Then it come to a situation where they wanted to me. They don't wanna fight me. So we've Ortiz we offered Ortiz. The fight. How was that wanna fight, and these guys made them like from a solid contractual? But do you worry that the boxing public will start to perceive it that way, if you don't actually figure out a way to get in the ring with these guys nomin? Everyone's didn't talk to that Pinon. I know what's real and opinion is opinion. I know us we've gave them off if they wanna fight the rings there the contracts there and I'm here to defend what tiles what more can essay opinions opinions. I know the reality of the situation and as a fire, this is what I do for a living. I live over these challenges, I wouldn't box if I just be like a sparring partner in Jim, I wouldn't take it serious. I live of finding front of many, many people around the world. Challenging for the belts, defending the bells I've been doing this. I've been doing it as a pro nothing changes. This is why love to do, so there's no fair Mahathir for many men, and that whoever serious ready. Andrew is his name when a contract and the flight was made known Lewis's. He's a good fighter. Well, there's a there's a debate as to who's the man in the heavyweight division between you and the onta- wilder. But my thing is this your so elite right now, and he so elite right now it's like a three headed monster in the heavyweight division. You him and obviously fury anybody else at listen max noses box the phones we all know that. And I'm not trying to act like there's no other credible fighters. But I'm just talking about Naeli headlines you talking about Anthony Joshua here. Getting you getting. How many opportunities are there really fight? These other guys doesn't it have to get to a point where it's you against one of those two because I don't know if anyone's interested really incedent you get. Anybody else after this weekend? I really don't. So with that being said, it'll be good for me down and talk and get this fight negotiate and spoken about for the next. Spoke to my team, win and get past Saturday. You know, next. How are we going to make this happen? And I've just come to this, where it's important for me, while it sit down man to man, I now are different than despite mate, so you will move to producers out of the way. And I'm sorry, I'm sorry to promote it that way. And you will say look, let's we're doing this. You. Yeah. Me and him should one hundred percent. And I should would arrested a fires because from promotes I look at the situation Ortiz. We offer them, a big Bill attorney down the dough, then OT says he wanted to fly, it's just back and forth back and forth. So if leaving direct and see you serious because because there's urgency on the part of the people who not only handled them, but handle you, especially you can pack you can pack Wembley, or you could pack fifty sixty thousand easy, no matter who you fight over there. So there's you generate enormous money no matter who you fight unless you take it into your own hands. Right. What urgency is there for the people around you to make those fight? That's where I come in here. I could have stayed in London in front of fifty sixty thousand people in the guy from a quarterback, I wasn't these challenges if I make it happen out there. We're coming here to kind of take aim to take over sooner or later. That's what makes us division. So great, you're like that. And I believe wilder inferior, also believe they wanna fi- exactly that they're definitely that at the end of the day you wanna do the talking in the ring. Lexi, hopefully. Of the time when tracking the domestic dust bunny, you comedy find them hiding under wardrobes next to LA Saux don't move to suddenly, although scarring off what's ugly fascinating about the dust bunny is that although they're not actually section creatures when they have not only saves people money, but also has ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them, you should switch because yes switching to gyco is a no brainer. Ono is the dust is only natural predator on the long dust on his run along. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to I take, we're coming to you live from the Heineken verdict at pure seventeen an article by fans b-actor homes details big dysfunction in the Lakers organization, including sources talking about magic bullying management style as well as complaints about LeBron James agent Rich Paul in Lakers, GM, rob Pelinka. Here's Baxter talking about situation rob as Magic Johnson spoke about on this show last week entered into the position with credibility issues. And according to people, I spoke to the organization, that only became more amplified during his time there. I think a lot of it is what he talked about on the air on C last week. I don't think I think the commitment to the job given his outside business interests was too great for him to accept, especially for a team in rebuilding and the kind of task that it was going to take for him. I think given all the struggles, all the dysfunction all the bad headlines over the course of the year that it wasn't fun for him. Having severe credibility issues for someone at the top as, as rob has it can create a whole lot of issues for basically numerous areas throughout the organization. I Don that. No, we welcome in Damon Jones how we doing all right. You're up first, my friend with all reportedly that's going on here with the Lakers do feel bad for LeBron James that he joined this dysfunction. Do feel bad for him. And the reasons why would function that's going on right now? I think it's going to hinder him max in being able to attract the fear free agents that he needs to get to that next level. And when that happens. Is the season going to be a successful as we think it's going to be if it is it will be here, right here again next year? Taking shots at LeBron James that aren't warranted because this dysfunction starts at the top Damon, and go ahead statement important question for you here. I've been told LeBron's wife, the bronze children absolutely, positively love LA incredibly happy. Yeah. So my question to you is knowing him as personally, as you do, if it were not for them and this stuff was going on with the Lakers right now do war, you're put me in a bad position. But I'm going to be honest and say that he would probably ask to get out of there, because winning is a top priority for him, and would this dysfunction, and he's now cupped into. To it. And I think that going forward, he has a figure out a way to clear something annoys noise out, and get focused on recruiting knows top tier free agent, max max, the only reason I as Damon that question. Just so, you know, before you get started don't is not as Damon that question is because that's why everybody that knows the LeBron talks about, you know, he came to LA everybody thinking this just Hollywood Hollywood, Hollywood. He also came to LA because his family loves LA loves being here. So that, you know, they made so many sacrifices for him that finally he wanted to do something for them, which is why as Damon, if it were not for that. What would he do considering how bad the Lakers are? Go ahead MAC. And that's real. I mean anyone out there watching, oh, come on. That's real thing about your own family. And what you do for your kids. The disastrous point of all this for me for the Lakers. And for LeBron is going into this, incredibly important free agency, period, where look, I think that's widely understood that Rich Paul and Anthony Davis would like to team, Anthony Davis with LeBron James on the Lakers next season. He will not be available for the Lakers before then likely, not impossible Lakers, controlled form. But it's unlikely that they have enough to go get him. And so you gotta wait a year for that. So what's going to happen in the intervening year they have had a coach? They got a new coach and then put a coach under him. Who's a type ado? Boy, watch your back Vogel. Right. Like, I don't think Vogel last more than one season, Stephen gives them what you give them two or one, Stephen, before Jason Kidd, takes the job to I can one the point is this is a dysfunctional mess. Right. When you need it to be stable. It the biggest issue here for me. Lebron? Like I don't feel sorry for him because he made his bed, he made a choice, based on something other than basketball reasons. Whether it's business whether it's Hollywood, whether it's family, that's something other than winning championships right now, you gotta lie in the bed that you made. But I see the dysfunction haven't gotten worse since he's gotten there. I think Damon, you'll probably like this, if I'm the Lakers, the easiest way for Jeanie bus to get out of all of this mess is to tell Rich Paul and LeBron James. All right, look, you're gonna make your call the shots because what we know is if LeBron's is calling the shots, at least you're going to have a playoff powerhouse, whether or not you're gonna win the title. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. And you know. And you know. It all started with. The Thailand situation that would have been the perfect segue to go into this season, because tie Lewis, somebody that's been with LeBron James they wanna championship together and going through the dysfunction. You have somebody that you've been through battles with and is appropriate enough to go forward throughout the season. That's unbelievable. Stephen LeBron can't get his coach. You know, the present coach is going to be out of there because you got a new team president. And you can't give LeBron the coachee was how, let's go back to the article because it fantasy Rich Paul was mentioned in that article one Baxter homes this morning, and he talked about, you know, rich Paul's, and fluence, etc. I want you to speak to that as well, because, you know, went pretty well, and I was associated with the Cavaliers organization, you more than qualified to speak about this, because Rich Paul was accused of the same thing when he was with the Cleveland Cavaliers, he spoke to me this morning said he was only on the plane one time. Now there's been plenty of times with, you know, agents or friends or fish shoes or people like that will end up on team plays. But he was only on the link playing one time that she talked to me about what influence you believe Rich Paul has with the laws Angeles Lakers. And, and whether or not you believe is being completely over blow. I think it's really been overblown because if he had as much influence as everybody's saying, I think he wanted to be the head coach as well. So if he had that major influence that everybody's saying, I think we'll be here today saying tie Lewis, the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers and not Frank Vogel. But, you know, Rich Paul is, is built a great business for self. He has a lot of big time players. And because those players all are on the same team, then you think that he has a lot of influence but at the time Tristan Thompson went through a. Contract dispute JR Smith, did the same things. And if he had the influence that everybody believes that he has. I don't think those two guys would have went through the situations that they went through where they had extended holdouts. I mean this is part of the reporting like who cares if Casey p gets nice one year deals. And people think that's to curry favor with clutch sports, so that you eventually land LeBron. I mean, if you're running a team, you're not gonna do that who in their right mind there with a with a terrible team. It's not gonna make the playoffs anyway before LeBron gets there. If you think it'll help you get LeBron will give a player, who you think maybe isn't worth the money of one year deal that doesn't even affect your cap going forward. Right. I mean, that's common sense. My issue is not that rich poll has too much influence with the Lakers. I can't believe I'm saying this, but based on the fact so far he's never enough. Yeah. Like the Bronx, somehow doesn't have enough influence on the team. I think he should be able to have carte blanche and decision making. And I think. Where they should go from here for us free. Agency is concern is that who's making the final decision? That's what we need needed come to a real evasion who's doing that? And whoever that is that person in LeBron James need to be in a room with perspective free agents trying to get them to come to Los Angeles. I it's. Stephen so painfully obvious. But you just assume LeBron shows up with the Lakers. They're going to be working hand in hand. Like, okay now Tyler is coming in next, and we have to get the band back together. And even if that's not good enough to win a championship. You're going to be at Western Conference of house. This is insane. You know what I find challenging, and I've been trying to decipher this guy's the Los Angeles is LeBron James, when when day mcmenamin did his report about trouble in Laker land involving LeBron James. Lebron James was working out of the Lakers facility goes on Instagram is not true. And you saw a I take in the background. So obviously he was watching I take way to go smart decision on his part. Okay. So he was doing that the same. He was doing that max. And then what happened is that we saw the Lakers, and LeBron go out of their way to highlight the fact that there are no issues. Rich Paul raves about the Los Angeles Lakers. They've been nothing but class personified. They've been absolutely fine. Excetera what I find myself challenged with. Is that the same organization that LeBron Rich Paul? And that entire can't swears has been nothing but exemplary towards them is the same organization that appeared hell bent on doing everything. It could to make sure the perception didn't exist. Lebron was running the organization. Right. I don't understand that because nobody explained Dave McCann. You try to explain that. I can't explain it. And I've been baffled since the beginning with that whole optics thing that LeBron's running organization, and we don't want to be like the Cleveland Cavaliers and all that stuff. Four straight final four straight finals championship. And was successful enough in, in LeBron James his tenure. So I, I don't know Stephen I'm, I'm baffled by the whole thing. I just hope my guy LeBron gets gets what he desires, all the Lakers organization organization. Do we have to a point? Do we ever get to a point as the time arrived is where we could ask the bron- whether is he depressed? I mean 'cause I am. Sportscenter right now. I'm Victoria Arlen with game, one of the NBA finals quickly approaching the Golden State Warriors have a few injuries still looming over their heads. Head coach Steve Kerr had this to say about star forward, Kevin Durant. He's not playing game one. We already think we already announced had. We'll see where it goes from here. This is where, you know, the fact that there's a lot of days in between games during the finals helps some. Soem. We'll we'll see. Always takes big guys longer to find the rhythm. The speed of the game is. So fast. If this were the regular season, this would be simple, put it back in the starting lineup and give him you know, give him his, his minutes, and let them work as way back in find his rhythm. It'd be be an easy one, but we're going into game on the final. Sportsbook has the rafters as a one point favorite heading into game one and our VP also gives Toronto, a sixty one percent chance to win Thursday and if the raptors win game one it would be their six straight home playoff win the longest streak in franchise history. Now, let's toss it back to. I hate. Victoria. Thank you kindly game one in Toronto Thursday fired up. Can't wait. My kind of city. I take will be there. No came D And likely no boogie though bowl teams coming off four straight wins in the conference finals max Kellerman. This who's got the momentum going into game one the raptors. I mean, the warriors seemed to have had listened throw of you out there who momentum. I know I know. But if we're asking the question, the answer is the raptors the warriors have been sitting around maybe getting cold. They had their way with Portland, but recall three of those games seemed could have gone either way. And the warriors were dominating on the offense of glass. I don't think that's going to be the case against the raptors. In the meantime, the raptors have come on, like gangbusters they just talking about momentum. They just won four straight against the team with the best record in the NBA who had just knocked out the Celtics. They just won four straight against that team in. And by the way, it was behind the play of the man, I believe, has already proved him. Himself the best player in the world Kawai Leonard Stephen, that's third quarter. They're down fifteen. They don't wanna face a game seven in Milwaukee, you could almost see it on Koa letters, face the Saint gonna happen. Two minutes left in the third quarter they go on a ten or run Kawai was involved in every single plan the offense and defensive end including grabbing missed free throw. I think it was over the couple and Siaka, the claw snatching it out of the air. I mean that is insofar as momentum exists, the raptors have it. Disagree? But I'm not sleeping on what you're saying because we'll talk about opera dictionaries Thursday. But I will concede to you max Kellerman the raptors going back watches some tape taking about. They're making me very nervous about this. In terms of the Golden State words, this is not going to be a cake walk that much. I will say, but we'll talk more about this on Thursday. Let me say this. Here's why believed the warriors have the momentum, even though you played, and you're in rhythm if you are the raptors because you don't have that much of a lengthy lay-off, if you are the Golden State Warriors due to the absence of debt, you were perceived to have had even though I don't think that is legitimate after seeing loony and bell and caulk and McKinney. And those boys contribute, I do think that there's something to be said. Andrea, Igwe dollar wasn't hundred percent then playing game four really, really couldn't do, but so much was not healthy. All right. He'll be back. He's scheduled to be back. Bookie. Dozens sweeping Portland. You're by yourself, some even more. Even more time not to say that there was going to be a changing of the date for the NBA finals. But what I'm saying they get an opportunity to really locking zero win on sort of rehabbing him to get him ready. I think they he'll be seen in this series. Probably gain one likely by game two at the latest. I view it that way. And I'm saying yes without Kevin Durant. You're still going to get a healthier, Andre Igwe Dala, and healthier. Boogie cousins, as so will you combine that with the rest of the squad that you had led by Kevin Durant? I'm sorry. Steph curry, and Klay Thompson, who are rested, and Draymond green as well. I do think that, that helps Golden State of Golden State wasn't experienced that I would be worried about rhythm being affected because they hadn't been playing it so long, but because they've been to four straight NBA finals, and it is now they're fit their veterans at this. They know what's required. They know what it takes and nailed know how to utilize their rest better than most teams would. And that's why like I think that's a really good point. I'll just say this, it must be nice for the warriors, you lose the guy that many including you have called the best player in the game. Lebron's absence from these playoffs. Kevin Durant MVP calendar player. And yet boogie cousins could be available to you in the coaches sitting there going well normally if it was the regular season we'd work. But this is game one of the final. So we can't this Rupp things. I mean it must be nice 'cause any other team ever would be like oh, we got boogie cousins available. Here we go. I mean have they have high end talent? How you look at it depends on how you look at it. If the Toronto Raptors because you've got to remember down Tunis's there any longer. And Gosol is basically a poorer version of boogie cousins who has the ability to step away from the basket. He went to a two game stretch we hit like seven three pointers over two game stretch stretching. What have you? And I think the last game game six, he hit, like, two pivotal three pointers. But what I'm saying to you is that he's a poor version of boogie cousins that much. I get the flip side is that if you wanted to Rondo, raptors, you might want to push the ball up the floor a little bit more just to neutralize boogie cousins to some degree. If he becomes some kind of a threat in that regard. So I do wonder about that. But there's no question that the extra body along with his. Offensive potency can't hurt. The Golden State Warriors day need him now more than ever with KDB. Yeah. Look there we can get into the actual matchups later on. But the upside for less boogie, especially without K D is more Igwe Dala, and they become a significantly better team. With more Igwe dollar who is still in high leverage moments legitimately, great defender. Defend and a great spot up shooter, knowing, could you gotta leave somebody open and it's usually am particularly from the corners. He can hit those shots. I've said this before, and we can debate this later in the week faded, a universe on the line for an open shot. Just an open. Look anyone on that team. Everyone will take Steph or clay, I'm taking Igwe Dala with the fate of the universe on the line water. I'm shocked maxed in brag more to start the show that Toronto. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the damn Patrick school. The sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports so you can connect with audiences no matter where they are or how they're to Ning in. Learn more about full sail universities, Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash Dan. Patrick school. For sports center right now. I'm Victoria Arlen. All of us are asking, what is going on in LA, today's ESPN dot com article written by Baxter homes gives readers an inside look about the dysfunction among the entire staff. So the real question is, how much blame does Lakers owner Jeanie Buss deserve. Here's some key points of the article bus makes decisions based on personal pass relationships and not the person's actual work experiences, and that she left Linda Rambus, executive director of special projects and genie's good friend act as a shadow owner of the team. MBA analyst, Jalen rose tried to put the article in perspective on get up this morning for young people that want to work in corporate America and, or any profession your boss, at some point in time, it's going to be considered intimidating. This comes with the territory when you talk about rob having problems with the truth. That's what happens when you work in a front agent front front office. I'm sorry, gonna always tell players and, or work with the team, the truth because you don't know the next domino, if our Jeannie being absentee owner, we see owners like Jerry Jones who are very hands on most owners are absentee, actually. And lastly Rich Paul being a decision maker, whitland, Ron John, for organization that's been happening since the beginning of time, you can read Baxter homes full article on the Lakers right now on ESPN dot com. Let's toss it back to I take. Thank you. Jalen breaking down there a lot coming out of this backtra homestore, including the way owner, Jeanie Buss is running the team like a family business. I'm not sure if that's a compliment, though, on that note, we welcome in Dominic Foxworth. Thank you for being with colour. Thank you. We're kind of twinning Stephen has genie ruin the Lakers. I'm not going to say definitively. Yes. Because it's it's it's not a finished product, but it certainly on the radio. I mean you've missed the playoffs for six consecutive years. I would remind you that the Lakers from nineteen forty eight to two thousand thirteen miss the playoffs five times they've now missed the playoffs six consecutive years, just put that in perspective. And so when we look at it from that standpoint, one would argue that Dr bus guy rest is so passed away, believe it was February of two thousand and thirteen. That season. They didn't make the playoffs and no season sense, have they made the playoffs. And when you consider the fact that this great, great man, somebody that max Kellerman is called the greatest owner in the history of sports arguably accomplished, what he accomplished and his daughter is running the franchise and obviously, there was friction between her and her brother, Jim. Then the other brothers, went volved remember, she had to literally go to court. Ramona Shelburne reported on all of that exceptionally. Well, I might add she had to go to court basically to strip them of any power. They thought they had. And they make it clear that she reigns pren- over the Los Angeles Lakers. Franchise, it became a legal manage, a legal issue. You have turmoil within the bus family, because clearly there were people that were not on the same page. She reigns supreme. She has the power and after. Having the power. What has been accomplished? You got Magic Johnson. Not only did he abruptly resigned. He didn't even call you he left first and then had a couple of weeks later. We talk about this analogy this rate, nudist franchise. We talk about rob Pelinka sending in power from an agent to a GM the franchise to now defacto, president of basketball operations one would argue, you got Kurt Rambis who's one hundred games under five hundred as a coach, making major decisions to the point where Frank Vogel is going to a press conference and including him in terms of gratitude being hired. You got Linda Rambis, no basketball background that we know of but involved in projects and season, genie's air, you got somebody in the business side in Tim Harris, that according to magic someone to infiltrate basketball operations Magic Johnson coming on national television to say it. This is not good. And all of this happening on the genie. Stewardship. So I'm not going to sit up there and say it's over. She's ruined it. Because the Lakers are the Lakers are love him. I root for them. Even a native New Yorker. There's so many people within that organization that are beyond kind and good. People. Always have been good to me. But I will tell you that is going towards that way. And you better hope that this latest move works. And by the way, the latest move meaning bringing on Frank Vogel. Well, we don't expect that the last one two years, because they insisted that takes a kid be alita sets it. It's a mess. People the good people in the Lakers organization in my view foremost among them as Jeanie Buss, genie's. Excellent. However, the Lakers does not reversible but she's ruined the Lakers. And the reason is her father, the way I phrase it. Stephen is. He is by far the late great doctor Jerry Buss by four it's not close. The greatest owner in the history of American team sports. He's lapping the field and since he passed, and Jeannie has gotten control the franchise they've stunk. And I, she took too long to fire her brother. Jim busted Mitch Cup check. We're handing out contracts, Timofey, MAs gov. Luau dang, when they couldn't get anyone else to take their money before that even genie gave Kobe a two year contract extension, when they were out of that deal, they handed of fifty million a year handcuff themselves. And he he wasn't even back from an achilles injury. He immediately got hurt. Again, was like couldn't really get on the court. These are disastrous decisions made under Jeanie Jeanie buses watch. And then here's what blows my mind. It's like the latonya heist in the movie goodfellas. Remember when the guy is sitting there, and they're, they're scheming, to rob the airport, and they say, what about security and the guy who brought the scheme set security you're looking at him like genie. Lebron situation is an inside job. How do you mess up an inside job? This is an inside job lebrons there. Let me tell you how this works. Now, LeBron says magic is like all right. Lebron, I'll get your Tyler, hey, rich. Yeah. We'll give Casey one year deal for twice. What he's worth. Don't worry about that. We're gonna get a D, right? Okay. How long do we have to wait great? If we can't transferable sign of, it's an inside job. So you know how that works. Lebron gets the coach, he wants particularly if Magic Johnson, the guy, you hired the kinds like a brother to you. Your words that guy is coming in trying to get rid of the incumbent coach and give LeBron the coachee wants how do you mess up an inside John in inside job? You're on the outside. All of a sudden. They're in the bad shape, but I wouldn't say that ruined. They're still in a position to get things that they want. Once they don't get those things, then I might say that they're ruined but I still wouldn't put it all on Jeanie Buss. I think what he's done most of the decisions, she's made Kim be defensible, like Bob Myers guy who's done what rob pulling Kaz done before there have been people like Jerry West. It's coming in done things that like Magic Johnson's done. So it's not like which he's done is completely unorthodox. The fact that it appears that she did not have a plan, and she did not have everyone tightly aligned beforehand. That's where the problem lies the thing that's out of all the crazy things in this story thing that stood out to me was where it said, Jeanie Buss believes in fate, and that Jeanie Buss believes that everyone ends up the way that they're supposed to be you cannot believe that and be at the top of the organization, because then an essence, you're saying that you don't have any control or the include any influence, and it doesn't matter what decisions you make. So I think that's problematic. She made mistakes there, but it's not too late for the Lakers to rebound Donnie me ask you this question. I mean, and I and I come from an I actually agree. Like I said, I can't say that it's final like they can. Recover from this. But when you hear folks saying, she's got too many people in her air, they're not proving basketball people in terms of really having the necessary accurate or resume, maybe not the accurate but the resume that's credible enough, where they should be a dominant presence of year when Magic Johnson comes on air and acknowledges that that's a problem. She can't listen to everybody that too many people and more importantly, she's leaning on emotional connections, as to why they have her air as opposed to really, really sec thing. There basketball Accu men credibility resume, etc. How should we look at genie in that regard, I she made it very difficult for success. But I think this like many things sports is we let the results decide how we're going to tell the story LeBron doesn't get injured and they're winning. We're gonna look at if you're gonna say, Jeanie Buss went with the people trust. It went to people that she knows can rather than go with guys with fastball experience, people that she can trust. And. That's why they were successful. So, I think that's we kind of weight as after this is all falling apart, and we all accept that they probably would have been in the playoffs and maybe made a run. If LeBron never would we all we all would amid Dominic? You also gotta remember also leaning on what transpired before the Brown arrived. Like, in other words, it's not like they will get into the playoffs and imagine Cain Braun arrives. They play you don't think these stories exist in other organizations. I guarantee you, there's dysfunction in all of these organizations, even the most excited away to Milwaukee box multiple owners. Right. That's we're looking all the dysfunction or the perceived as function for the warriors, David pretty good for for a long run. So this happens in organizations, if they win we forget about it. If you lose, then we roll you out on Front Street. He losing every disagree. I don't disagree with you dominate. But here's where I think your perspective is different than most folks, covering basketball. See in a world of football where you come from, and it's not to say that I'm not questioning your now, of course, I'm just saying in the world of football that you come from, it's easy to look at that from a parody perspective and say this happens all the time, the differences, as max pointed out, the lake are different brain when it comes to basketball. The Boston Celtics on different print. So, and then you combined that with LeBron being and you combine that with him being the successor to the Kobe Bryant era, etc. Etc. When you look at it from that perspective, I think the situation gets magnified predictably, because it's the Lakers, which means that something that genie Bush should have known and should have done a better job of guarding against while the world has changed, and all professional sports, particularly an NBA where people have caught up for past the Lakers, as far as knowledge is concerned, and the way that the fowleri is constructed. Constraints on the Lakers that weren't on before. So I think the expectations that the Lakers can ever get back to the Lakers of the seventies and eighties. Remember, I think that is untrue. That is categorically never going to happen. Once upon a time they said that, about the Yankees, and then they did it in the late nineties in two thousand probably the greatest dynasty of their his baseball different kinds of been basket. But you can still it can still be done. You can trade upon the location upon the brand. Absolutely. In fact, they botched the situation with LeBron. Why do you think the brand is in LA playing for the Lakers, not the clippers the Lakers, they did get LeBron James because they're the Lakers play in Los Angeles. They got LeBron James because of that. But I think putting things pieces around them. It hurts now they have the luxury tax. It hurts teams like the Lakers more than it hurts. Other teams. And I think there will be closer things to parody in the NBA and it's harder for the Lakers, the expectation that somehow Jeanie Buss can potentially get the Lakers back to how things were under the doctor is just a nepotism. Do guys nepotism. There was a study done recently, you know, like the kid inherits, the business and businesses do worse when that's the case instead of an open competition and Steven, there was a time. Let's say twenty years ago, I could've walked off the street. And GM the baseball team in the major leagues better than ninety percent of the GM's. They didn't know what they were doing. I mean that literally, please take me literally when I said, I don't I could never do that today. Today. You need a staff of people from MIT with degrees to even compete. But the thing that I think is important for both of you recognize this forgotten. And again, you know, we respect genie bus, and her business acumen and what she's been able to accomplish for the most part, you know, even working under her dad to some degree. There's a reason Dr bus wanted hard to beat the person overseeing business operations. This is a smart woman, but let's be let's also be clear about this. She's not bomb. She's not the late Paul Allen guy rested. So these are billionaires. I mean, you're talking about basketball franchises, like a toy to them their money wasn't attached to the franchise because genie buses money is attached to the franchisor, wouldn't that make it exponentially more important for her to be more hands on about making the right decisions. As opposed to making decisions based on emotions and trust that what I'm trying to because she can't afford to make them. To make. All right. So you're telling me we shouldn't keep it in the family decide not making the playoffs. They Lakers continue to be a major storyline during the postseason specifically their front office dysfunction. Sources have told the fans back to their homes about bullying by Magic Johnson shock and confusion at the firing Luke Walton and complaints about LeBron James agent. Rich Paul and Lakers, GM, rob Pelinka? Here's homes talking about the Lakers troubles earlier on today show. Rob as Magic Johnson spoke about on this show last week entered into the position with credibility issues. And according to people, I spoke to the organization, that only became more amplified during his time there, I think a lot of it is what he talked about on the air on and see last week. I don't think I think the commitment to the job given his outside business interests was too great for him to accept, especially for team in rebuilding and the kind of task there was going to take for him. I think given all the struggles all the dysfunction all the bad head. Lines over the course of the year that it wasn't fun for him. Having severe credibility issues for someone at the top as, as rob has it can create a whole lot of issues for basically numerous areas throughout the organization. We'll cannon house could have you with us, my friend. Thank you. Steven A. How would you fix the Lakers? If you are in charge, if I was if I was in charge, you know what I'm not gonna go as some people say, rob Lincoln needs to be gone in clearly if you have to kind of reputation, he seems to have that would make sense. But I will tell you this, who whether you keep him or not. He certainly would not be president of basketball operations that I could not do. And the reason I couldn't do that because I need you to be able to do business with other teams. And if too many people in the league if giving me that question then I'm not going to elevate you in the absence of Magic Johnson, considering everything that has transpired. I'm just not going to do that. That's number one. Number two, I would have never had hired Frank Vogel. I like Frank Vogel of a great great deal. And I have no problem with him being the head coach. But when you consider the fact that LeBron James your guy, he's the face of the franchise, he's. The start of this franchise and you take into account the level of success that he had with Ty Lou as his coach the reality of the situation is that should have been an automatic higher. And if you wasn't gonna give Todd Lou five years, you give him the three years, and you let him bring in his staff, and then three years from now you just make Jason Kidd, the damn head coach crying out loud. That's what you do as opposed to forcing him or anybody else that took the job to bring in Jason Kidd to be your development who's on. So those are the two things that stand out in my mind. Obviously the other things like getting more shooters, getting away from the playmakers etc, etc. But the primary to decisions, I would make is rob Pelinka would not ascend as president of basketball operations because I need somebody to do business for me than I'm not worried about people hate no one. And in the case of a broad James, I would have given him, the coachie wanted, this is what I would do. It's never too late to start doing the smart where the right thing. I would pick up the phone and I would. Call Rich Paul and LeBron James and I'd say, let's meet, if I was Jimmy genius, and I would sit down and say, okay. I don't care who I just hired. You're asking me how to fix it. This is how you fix it. This is an inside job when you sign LeBron. James to your franchise. It's an inside job. Don't, don't find yourself on the outside looking in. Okay. Rich lebron. How we doing this? We targeting this one that one who do you want this year? Who do you want next year? Who do you want to be the head coach? It's that simple and the worst scenario in that situation. But worst, you're going to do is be a Western Conference powerhouse. You might mess around him when a championship that is the way to get it done max. I feel like if you went that route or for that matter what you describe, as well. Stephen, what you'd be doing is opting for shirt short term fix, and in potentially masking, the real problems with the Lakers. When I read Baxter homes as peace. What's clear to me is that there is an absolute utter failure of leadership. Inside that organization. It's not going to be sexy to describe this, but it's little things. It's human communication at every level of the hierarchy and for the truth is for the reasons that the New England Patriots win year after year. It's because of the unsexy little things that leadership gets right? And the Lakers are getting all of it wrong. So how would I fix it? Well, that means you have to fix leadership. Stephen now you've said in the past, I believe that Ginny bus should consider selling the team. That's the most drastic measure that could begin the process of fixing leadership, but short of that, and I'm not going to be bound by what's realistic for a moment. I'm going to get a proven leader. I'm gonna try to steal Bob Myers from the Golden State Warriors, maybe that's not realistic. I'm gonna go Toronto. I'm going to try to steal Jerry, who has a proven leader who just put it all on the line. The past year came back, all aces in his trade for quite Leonard. I would try to steal a proven leader because until you fix things at the very top everything below Steve. Is masking, the real problems question. Will you have a problem with Jerry West? No, no. I think every step. Jerry West when I say, don't ascend, rob. What I would do directly is, I would have appointed Jerry West president of basketball operations and allowed him to groom. His son who works within the Lakers organization, by the way. That's what I would have done. I've been told that the last thing in the world that Jeanie Buss would ever do is bring Jerry West back, that this is this something personal that happened with them. I don't know what it was don't particularly care to be honest with you, but something personal. But here's again, lies the problem personal feelings. Get in the way of sound business judgement. It appears with the Los Angeles Lakers that has to stop right that has to stop. You can't do better than Jerry West. But if there isn't something immovable kind of problem there between Jerry West and genius Phil Jackson, or whoever it is, that's affecting this, because, gene Phil, obviously had a long stand. Relationship and have one fine. I think will your idea that, and I've said it recently Jerry whatever size getting in Toronto. Just double it just go get go get a top level executive and bring them in to fix it. That is more of a long term solution. That's true. What I'm talking about is a short term solution because LeBron is three more years left on the deal and for me over those three years to give the man, what he wants and you win. Yeah, it will aside with max on this only because LeBron ish or terms is the three years. Okay. Right. Not only that, when you bring up massad whereas where I disagree with max, the reason I don't go that route is because it takes somebody incredibly incredibly familiar with the Lakers culture, family, business, and all to survive long right now. Culture is what needs to be actually. That guy can't up ended it might take an old guy very, very familiar with the bodies lot, how to move stuff out hands, but hold on. It depends. Will if what you're suggesting, which I would subscribe to is Jeannie. Hi messiah Jiri, right overpaying. Whatever it is. It should be I agree. And then you, then you back off, and you empower him and say, what this guy says goes, don't come to me anybody this guy's now the boss and then move out of the right? Right. That's fixes, the co we go. Stephen, I wanna can I get on us about something I was listening to show a little bit earlier. Can I ask you one question? Do you think Magic Johnson was in on this job one hundred and fifty percent? No. So I was listening to show earlier and I have been one of the people the questions like max brought up. Not magic had one foot in the door. One foot out the door and you brought up. I will not have Magic Johnson's work ethic questioned you've brought up. Things like that. And I don't think that's what anybody's doing. I don't think you have to go as far as about. About last Monday last Monday. That's what they would do. But I'm questioning his commitment to the not his work ethic, not his laziness. But his commitment went when pulled in different directions. And here's where I go, why ask you that question. Stephen not on this exact set because we're in New York. But back when the show was based in Bristol, you asked Magic Johnson unit. Steven when he took the job as visor, the Lakers, you said, I would like you to have the job as president of basketball operations, and you said, then Stephen eight but magic would you have the time you got a lot of businesses, would you have the time in his answer to us Stephen A was if I took that job I would be in one hundred fifty percent today. You're, you're accepting less than that from Madge. He is along with Gainey along with rob Pelinka. He is part two of this, but you gotta give me a chance to answer. Sure. What I'm saying to you is this. He had an. Agreement with genie. And what I'm saying is, what was your job description, if he says to me, you told me I have to inherit and keep these people that he said when I have a business, I have responsibilities and there are people that I that I trust to delegate responsibility to your Jeanie Buss. You told me why we about that. I need you to oversee. And I need you to make sure that the basketball decisions that are made on a basketball decisions that need to be made. So if that is the case, then what we find ourselves looking at a situation where we can agree or disagree about his basketball decisions. But when people say, oh, no, you didn't know what you would doing. It didn't matter because you weren't one hundred percent invested. I'm sorry. Wait a minute. What was this description, Hindu scriptures go out and get a marquee free agent to go out there and resurrect this franchise and start selling this franchise, again, because it's a mom and pop operation. Visit that's why you draft Alonzo ball. Instead of a DR in fun. What the FOX just waxed this, but in the NCW tournament dropping thirty nine. These are the kind of thing. Bad for LeBron seventy four percents as negative. He's, he's will Cain. That's David a Smith on. Molly, karen. We'll be back here tomorrow. Same time have a lovely day.

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Are the Big Fights Coming?

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

1:03:57 hr | 1 year ago

Are the Big Fights Coming?

"This is sports illustrated boxing podcast boxing. Boxing with sports illustrated's Chris. Bennett interviews analysis in everything going on in boxing, and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting punched in the face. Art Welcome back to another episode of the SL boxing podcast on this episode I've got a great conversation with Tim Bradley, the former welterweight champion, now and ESPN broadcast right talk to Tim about some of these early fights, the top rank has been putting on. And what does he think? The time line is some of the bigger fights to actually happening plus fury. Anthony Joshua was it smart for Tyson fury to come out and say it's gotTa deal with Anthony Joshua a dangerous deontay wilder, still waiting by the end of the stick around for that great talk with Tim, Bradley Little Bit later on Dimitrius, Andrey the wbz one hundred sixty pound champion android still kind of lurking out. Out, there, looking for a fight looking for another big fight down the line. What does he think about the fact that he is once again? Not In the Cannella galop skin sweepstakes what has to happen for him to get into that mix plus PD's in boxing, a serious thing and talked to Android to get his thoughts on performance, enhancing drugs that are still in the sport. Quick Housekeeping Note, if you like this podcast very easy wake and support. It had over two apple podcasts post a comment. Leave Rating. It's simple. It's easy. It's free. It's the best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week. That's it onto my conversation with Tim Bradley. Joining me now on the show. He is the former junior welterweight champion welterweight champion. Terrific fighter, terrific broadcaster now doing fights over at ESPN. He is Bradley. What's happening him? Was Gone doing man. Well as As I was telling you offline, I! AM sitting in my air conditioned less apartment. In New York, city, which is not an op, the place you want to not have air conditioning. No you need some AC out there in New York right now. You're like maybe fifteen minutes of this podcast seeing me go shirtless just to be aware like you know. No, don't do don't blind me like dad now. Man, don't do that Chris. Don't do that. Desert Man. It's probably about one tenth outside of where I'm at, but I'm in a nice air conditioning nation in my house. Man I got an eighth grade AC unit. Six AC units and Those were the days those were the days my friend. Let's go on a lot of into with you. Tim I I want to talk a little bit about. Broadcasting during a pandemic. I mean you are broadcasting these fights for ESPN. From home. Correct like you are in your home. Office I mean. How is that experience? Ben For you. You know, it's actually it started off. I was a little. I was a little. Afraid because you know typically we're we're next to each other would have tested tour next me Jay war next to me and you have all these guys working for you well. I'm working remotely from my office here at home and I have to do everything after set up the cameras and make sure the lighting is right. I have to turn on the computer. You know these are things that I'm I'm literally came into dude. I've never had to do this, but I had to learn you know in order to be able to you know broadcast boxing on television, but the difficult part I would have to say is is that. It's just finding that rhythm. That groove. Yes, we are you know when we're calling the broadcasting the fight? Yes, I can see Andre. War Ward on zoom call, but you know you have a little bit. Lie a little bit of lag, so he may say something in A. May looks like he stopped, but. It continues to so we kind of run over each other, but Eskimos difficult heart. Fighter made meetings have been the same. It's all been remotely in. We get to see the guy we get to speak with the guys, but other than that I think it's been pretty pretty simple. Now kinda gotten a group of been doing this a few weeks and I know when I need to. When I need. When I need to fix something I know I know how to fix it now. You know what I'm saying. I have experienced in that, but but he's been great man. I'm glad. Boxing is back back on television I'm glad I'm just able to call from home. Yeah, I'm glad it's back to you know. The top rank shows have come under a little bit of. Of criticism because of some of the match ups there and look some of it is. It is what it is. I mean guys don't train the same way during a pandemic, the money is obviously significantly different, so it's it's tough to get those marquee matchups. And how have you felt about not just boxing being back, but how would come back in this first month? Well. You know you got to commend top rank first of all. They're the first boxing promoter to actually bring back boxing. You know you have network design who you are forced well. You have a golden boy promotions. You know you have a Lotta entities. In the box rim, you know, you have PBC as well, but top rank you know, mate is responsibility, not only as motor, but as you know, you gotta understand that were business partners. When you're fighter, your business partner with a motor, so know promoters job is to get you fights you know in top top-ranked has created this bubble sort. Speak in Las Vegas to allow these fights to happen, and it's actually been great. It's been fantastic, but putting money into the fighters. Pockets is keeping everyone paid around and I understand that the fights are not you know these big mega fights boxing this back, but the mainstream boxing is not you know. The super fights are not not yet. Not yet, but it's something to watch TV these guys they need to get paid. And then you know they've been for a little while to. So these kinda would say tuna fights, but I have to say last night Max. I mean yeah warning with Kris maddox. By the way by the way, Canelo Alvarez spent about a year calling me Mac so it's okay, you know he. Didn't quite figured out. My Bad Chris. The fight last night was fantastic. The fight begins. With Maloney and Franco, that was a fantastic fight in as you see the cards as they continue their going to continue to get better and better and better matchups and Dan not think what's going to happen. Is You're going to get these guys like maybe a parent, but Crawford or spans somebody? They're gonNA say man I. Really Do Miss Being in the ring, and they're probably gonNA. Make that leap and say you know what if you can get a fight I wanNA. WanNa do it. You know you have all these other fighters doing it. You know coming up and that's been the plus Chris. That's been a plus you know. We get the CDs fighters before the hype, so we get to see him right out of the wound. You know what I mean. Three fights to fights. You know what I'm saying and at and then we get the seat him all of their their life story. You know like I WANNA! See The teacher and. And I don't know if your member. The teacher but I wanna see the teacher again. You know he's reading. Dr seuss books you know in the daytime, the kids and then at night fighting, you know it's it's it's unbelievable. And some of these stories are fantastic and I'm glad that they're getting opportunity to fight on this stage you know. During his pandemic, you mentioned Crawford, and he's one of several high profile fighters better out there without matchups on the books you spend. Spend a lot of years. Tim as a high profile fighter yourself I mean. What would you do in this situation? Because you know look? I understand boxing. I don't compare it any other sport like basketball. Players can take less money. They're not putting their lives on the line when they get into the ring. It's a totally different ballgame. I think for boxing at the same time. I don't know when this pandemic is going to allow for huge crowds it might be. Middle to early to Middle Twenty, twenty, one I mean. What would your advice be to a BUD CRAWFORD? What would you do in a similar situation? In all honesty, but Crawford is not. Dying for money, but I have to say that being in his position. You know time off tie. It's time wasted. That's just it whether you take a pay cut or not. You have to stay active but coffers. Not a young was never anymore. You know he's in his thirties. You know he's not young, so activity is important for him, but I know what Crawford personally I know. He worked extremely hard. He's constantly in Jim is constantly standing shape. So you know I think he'll be okay, but guys like Loma Chantel. Think about it when the last time he fall, it's been. It's been almost a year in August since he's fall. You know he's a little bit. Older now, and he needs to be active as well so I think you're GonNa see these guys You know one thing that we know that you can't buy back time. You can't buy back time you know. These are your prime years. You gotTA. Make you something boxing. This is short is short lived sport believe it or not, you know you have a short window to make your money and then get out of the game before the game damages you so I'm thinking maybe close to September is these guys are GonNa? Start getting that itching and say you know what I'm sitting at home. Yes, I'm training but I. I need to get back in the spotlight because it's important Chris, you know. You Know How boxing fans Dr you know. How people are you know you hit eight going tomorrow? Morrow own with the next. You know you're out of the light. They forget about you. You know what I'm saying in their onto the next one, so these guys have to seriously sit down talk to the promoter. Speak with their promoters and find in find a plan to come back because they are being lost. You know you don't hear the name Book Property More. More. You'll hear Loma ching-kuo anymore. You know that's not good for the image. That's not good for the careers. I thought it was interesting that Bob Arum said that low. Michenko and Lopez both turned down interim fights in between that they could have had these so-called soft touches in June July and then gone into a fall showdown. You know hopefully with fans against each other. What did you think of that? Have you surprised that? Both of them turned down those? Tune up fights. I'm very surprised. I'm not surprised the Lopez but I'm very. With, Lama Janko like I said he's been out of the ring for almost a year now it'd be a year in all this. I believe so I would think you know him being an older fighter, and Kind of to me, this is my opinion. Maybe some people might think. What kind of little bit on the downslope due to his performances that I've seen them recently. Okay, fantastic fighter and I'm not hating by any means. He's a great fighter. He's one of my favorite fighters easily number one pound for pound. Is that. When you're getting older, you're getting towards that. You know downslope. You have to active. You have to be in the gym and I'm sure he is in the gym, but you have to be actively fighting. You have to be and so for him to not say say I'm not gonNA take a tune-up i. just want to go straight Lopez. That shows you the confidence that he has you know in himself in his ability and also with Lopez. You know him being the gun I don't know if you've seen the picture of him lately. I would think that you know he will want to fight. The kid looks like at least one sixty. Sandy came make weight, but he's about one sixty and he solid muscle, so listening activity has been been terrible for everyone, and I said the person that's GonNa. Come out of here on top is going to be the ones that are disciplined ones like Joshua Franko that was discipline. Pandemic Buddhist quarantine and you saw what he did last night. Yeah, that's the key. You're right. And Taffy, Mo-. You know this as well as I do he's. He had problems making one thirty five in the past I mean this this Janko fight is unquestionably going to be his last fight. At one thirty fives go up to one forty, so you definitely want to be. You don't WanNa. Be Cutting that weight fast to get down there against the guy like Loma Janko. No matter what level is at this point, he'll eat you alive down there, but on Komo, one thing that excites me about boxing is that you've got a bunch of guys in around that way class that are like twenty two and under basically twenty five hundred zero tank Davis. Into that mix when you look at Timothy. Mo Tank Davis Devon Haney Ryan Garcia. Call you consider them stocks like if you could buy stock in one of them, who would you which one would you take? you know what? There's two stocks that I probably would buy is lonely. That stock is well. No, because these guys, the young generation like the guys that are going to step up in the next four or five years and become the next Loma become. Why think that my first stock? My first stock big my number one stop. It will be Stevens. Be Honest with you. mentioned. East coming up to one thirty, eventually one thirty five is growing. That's my first pick. In the reason why I picked him is number. One is is that he's the most I would say. He has the most fundamental most fundamentally sound young fighter on the planet right now, and it doesn't get hit. You know that's a viable thing that you need in boxing in a lot of people love offense or offenses fantastic. Yes, General Tito he had an amazing office, but his defense is where he lacked, and you see what happened when he thought a guy that was able to penetrate that offense and tools that to that defense that non-defense that he didn't hat so. I would say Stevenson. Bar t tail tail female Lopez captured his world championship the way he did it the fashion he did it knocking out a strong strong champion. I would have to put him second. And then I would have to go probably Devin. Haney Devon Haney is a fantastic fighter man in the crazy part about it is. Is that you know he he wants he wants all the smoke. You know, but a lot of guys. Are they shying away from him? Because he's he's that? Dan Good and he's young. You know you gotta understand these young believe he's twenty one twenty one years older, twenty might even be twenty twenty. One is yeah I mean come on man. He's a fantastic fighter box any keith improving fight. Developing stronger getting knockouts and then there's a kid that I know that very marketable. you know. Who Is Ryan Garcia and then you have Tang, Davis those two right there man I mean. I don't know. Ryan I would say he's more marketable. This I was this. Tim Like I think boxing and that list is perfectly legitimate. Those guys you know that from talent. Downgrade. I think Boxing Needs Ryan Garcia the most personally I think Ryan Garcia has the ability to be the crossover star that Oscar de la Hoya was. He can be the guy that does the talk shows. He can be the guy that just brings in the new audience because of the six million plus instagram followers. All the social media following now he is definitely not as developed as Evan. Ortega FEM-. Oh, eat probably right around. She cores level at this point just below. Chicago there because scores world champion, but like the path that he's on, I'm really hoping it continues for Boxing Sake because if Ryan Garcia goes out, and if he had knocked out, Hori ours in the same way, did the last two guys, and then went on and knocked out luke. Campbell he could have had a twenty twenty one at age twenty two. That would have catapulted into the next level like that's the guy that I think could bring in fans in a sport that as you know badly needs to go outside its core audience. Yes you know Ryan. Garcia, you know. I I like how you analyze them, but I I think a little bit different about him I think that. You know you get fair assessment but I just think that. He's a lot better than what people think. He is man I when I look at him. Yes, he hasn't been tested the as been tested but when I look at him. I could see the discipline in him I can see the fact that he's been working in the gym Stan committed. Stan Hungry East. It's not out. You know a party in enacting the food out there. No, he series about his job. He truly is and I can see it you know in. It's performances that knockout that he just got recently was set up. It wasn't a lucky punch. It was set up. He knew what he wanted to do and he did it. And you know if he fights Leonardus Norris I believe he's GonNa. Knock out as well. You know the speed that timeline. The confidence is young men. You know Zuber. Rates is fantastic. His huge following like you said Yes, he can be that Crossover Guy, you know. He has good looks. You know. Yeah, you know you have to hand feed the flash the besides everything you need. You know in a fighter to have him crossover, so yes, he. I think he is definitely a marketing genius one, too. He's getting better and better. Each fight and I believe that I. believe that he's actually. Talented enough to compete right now. In mopping for world championship, you know a lot of people with disagreement every like all. You're crazy gender. I'm telling you. This kid will rise man. He will rise because he has to. And I see I see it in his heels and a seat in his ability. Yeah, I agree with that assessment I, mean I? I guess I almost put like a promoter hat on with Ryan Garcia where it's like. Yeah, he can, he can fight for a world championship. Let's get through twenty twenty here and let's just have these these mid level fights for go from Fonseca to ours, which is like, see versus be and I'm with. You probably knocks out the because whenever it'll and ours loses against. Listen Man. You know. This is the one thing that I that I realized about our sport of boxing man. And I say this with all due respect but like. We. You know we talked about this whole. We talk about Oh losing old and I wanNa tell the fans something you know. The fans need to understand that you know when we coming up. When we come in this, we are told you know we have to keep our oath. We gotta stay undefeated in order to get a shot at the title. No one tells us. US You got fight the best. beat the best to get a shot at the title. They say you have to stay undefeated. Feed it whatever they put in front of me. You have to be okay, so we are programmed that Geno as a fighter that we have to keep our oath, and we have programmed the fans to think that we have to keep our old. They're used to seeing those lammers records twenty, five, twenty six in Oh. Wow, this kid must be good and you know we don't get to see this kid you know before we get to see him at the beginning stages of his career. You don't saying so. Fans are expecting expecting him to be you know a fantastic fighter. Then he then he loses now sucks now. He sucks because he loses. No, that's not true. That's not true at all. In another thing that the fans need to understand is is that you know us as a box of eternity we are. We are taught. We are told that if we lose and we have learned that if we lose our pay, scale goes down. You know you understand that our pay scale was down, so do you think of fire wants to take a risky fight? You know no fighter. I WANNA. Take a risk. Fighting wants to take a fight as least seventy five percent. He knows he's GonNa win. You know because he knows that is pay. Scale could go down and he's not gonNA inch closer to his title shot so. I sat down and I really about this man. I think that we as a boxing returning as well as the only sport caters. Tour the Athlete's abilities see you said just a minute ago Chris, you said you know you know. He can fight A. B. and C. Level Guy and. He's not really ready for the eight level guy yet about lying Garcia and I'm saying. He's read. I'm saying he's read. You know what I mean, because right now. The you're gonNA sink or swim, either you have it or you don't when you guys had three amateur fights like Loma, Chango. Come into the sport fight by one fight and say I. WanNa titled Shy. Now that's changing the game. You know what I mean he believed in. You'll sit. He believes in his ability. You know why waste time. When you guys actually course Stevenson with the world after ten fights. You know people need to understand that. I'M GONNA AMATEUR BOXING? Now amateur box you get ten fights. You consider open. You can fight a guy with two hundred five all fights wherever you considered open. You have tim fights. Do you have the skills? Okay? Boxing is the only sport that caters to an athlete's ability. Okay now. How do you change that? Stop letting any everybody in your fraternity, okay? If my wife wants to fight right now, she'll have no experience at all. She can go and sign up and be a boxer. But can I go to the NBA and sign up and go play with the Lakers. No. There's requirements Chris. And, so we say if you WanNa make the sport better if you want this, make the sport more competitive. Stop letting anybody in everybody in your fraternity box. And, I think that the sport get way more competitive in the fans will see the fights that they won't rightfully what to see. I agree with dessert. I grew that a largely. You Know Ryan. Garcia also agrees with you Ryan has that Ryan's? He called me a few weeks back and one of the things he said to me was. He's like I. Don't know where this whole I. Know this Floyd Mayweather thing took hold in recent years where you protect your zero, and that's all that matters like i. don't care man. If I lose I lose you. Pick back up and you. You keep going. You need that attitude to be pervasive in boxing and. Ryan? Garcia everybody to think like that. Yes. Everyone's these things like that. Because if you think about it this way going back to what I said if you lose into the best. Then, what's the problem? You lost to the best? That was the better man that day, but that doesn't mean that you stop. That doesn't mean that you have ability you. Styles make fights at the end of the day. You know that you know it just because this guy. This guy don't mean he can beat you. You know what I mean. 'cause styles make fights. That's it so Ryan Garcia. I respect that I respect the fact that he says. Says Man I'm happy I want to shot you know. Of course you're going to have the motors after promoters on the way up when I was fighting and I kept pushing promoter I kept telling him like man. I, this guy, man, the beat that guy give me that fight and he's like a just chill. Take Time, take your time. Because of a motor obligation is to protect his money. You know you need to protect his money. That's. What at a time where you know, a fighter needs to be challenged. You Know Ryan. Garcia needs to be challenged, so we can see the best version of him because let me tell you all the hard work that he's putting into camp. You know all the time spent inside the gym sweating. Know bleeding crying. You're not. You. Know what I'm saying. He's GonNa. Make somebody pay for those days. You know what I mean so if he got it. If I see, people say he doesn't got. He doesn't got it. He ain't got it I. Don't know if he got it well. Let's see if he goes. I believe he does. He believes he does messy. Yeah, I, think working with Canelo and his team has been great for Ryan because he's. Discipline from a guy that stays in shape bad at all times. Let me ask you one question about. The recent announcement that Tyson Fury Anthony Joshua have agreed to something some kind of financial structure to deal as a fighter. Do? Was that a mistake I mean. It's not unusual in boxing could be talking about what's next right like even when guys are scheduled to fight. It's all about who you want to fight. If you win, but I mean I I'd be a little leery about looking past onto wilder would it's just he's I understand. He got just beaten. He's never seen before but I. mean the Guy can still erase the game or change the game with one punch. You right and. I was a little disappointed added, but I have to say that Tyson fury man is is just a different atom. Different. He's just a different animal man. You know I've never besides watching Mohammed Ali. told say that what he's GonNa. Do to a guy. And then he actually does it. You Know Tyson did that, you know. He said he's on a knockout the wall. He almost had a mountain two rounds. You know like he envisioned, but. You know. I respect what he says. I really do Yes is a little bit of. You know I will say I WANNA. See the Joshua fight. He can jinx the big fight. Remember back when he fought against I, believe it was when he suffered a big cut i. don't know why can't forget. Remember his name off I lean. Of Lean he had suffered that big cut now you know at that time. We everybody was worried about the wilder rematch was happen wasn't GonNa because I phone. You know these are the things you have to worry about. You know being a fighter, and then you know you have wilder who took a fight is well, and he was losing everything around to Luiz Ortiz until we filing not them out and everybody was like. Oh. Man, these jeopardize this big fight. You know it just one of those things that you know we. We can get a little bit. I'm getting a little bit leery about you know Council AIDS before they even hatch. Always going to be ten eggs right there. Now it might be. It might be eight. You don't know that, so. Yes, it bothered me a little bit. What when Tyson Fury, says something man, I'm a true believer when he says something a he it for reason. You know he's using it as probably a motivational tool, you know it's hard during his pandemic to stay motivated stay discipline, and so you gotta have something to grab onto in I. think that's why he mentioned that. Hey, this is where I awesomely WanNa be is in a ring with Joshua. Hey I'm a overlooking wilder. I gotTa Take Care of him. What this is my ultimate goal, but then I have a minor goal well, it's a big goal to the beaten. Beaten Wilder whether you know for the second time, so. As well look. That's why that's. Why feel about the situation? Very smart enough to know, he's been in a game a long time. He's very savvy. Very cerebral and I think he's just a part of motivate so I do hope we get to that fight. I do hope that Eddie hearn and Frank Warren and Bob Arum. Put that flight in the UK like that fight belongs in the UK, Wembley Stadium Ninety thousand I mean I. I get us sinking feeling Tim. We're going to see that fight and like Dubai or United Arab Emirates and look it's. Saudi Arabia even it is what it is money. Men I. K I'm with you. I, agree with you. Know you. Need the. Thing we need to added thing in USA soil baby. What's IT GONNA? Be You as a? Stand I. Understand both fighters from UK now understand that, but Tyson fury is now here in the states. He's now fighting here in the states. You know what I'm saying, so you know you're going to happen a big fight light that I would hope it be a here in the states. Well like you said you know, it would probably be a huge thing hundred. Or so you know. Wembley Stadium out overseas. Yeah I, mean you have think you're right? You gotta go going, but for me. Personally I wanted in, either they is Madison Square Garden. We can even go down. The Dallas Dallas Texas Stadium now is cowboys, stadium. I wanted to be here on USA. Soy I look I have no problem with that. In fact like whenever we Joshua came to fight anti Ruiz's the garden. I've been to a lot of big fights I've never experienced anything like that. His fans travelled. They were all there and they. It was the only thing comparable. Tim Was Ricky Hatton's back in his heyday fighting in Vegas the when they drank the mgm out of beer the year he fought floyd mayweather so. It would be no matter where it is. It's going to be an intense atmosphere. Not I love that fight I mean I don't know who wins I. Think Fury Probably has. No. Come, on Chris, you make covering boxing. Come on, man. The dipsy Kings GonNa win that fight man. Come on, you got the robotic. Joshua skills these skills, but you that fluidity baby. You got the Xerez. You got that that snapping of the reflexes Netcom style coming your way now. You know that's something that's on the do which is a fury that and how big is i. mean I understand that you know Joshua's probably one or two inches shorter than he is, but you know Tyson ferries a different different class I believe you know. Let's give. Let's get get Anthony Joshua his credit. He has risen any risen. Quite rapidly pretty fast to the top you know, and he's beaten I would say his resume is the best resume in heavyweight boxing. You know any always shows up to fight. You know so. You GotTa Give Him Credit and you got gotta respect them, but my money. is on Tyson theory. High School all day. If I was putting money on something right now I'd probably put it on fury, but one thing about Joshua's that like wilder, one punch a race issue, but that's like all these kind of got Joshua will hurt you and finish you like. Before the release flight I thought he was the best finisher and all of boxing like when he got you hurt. He followed up with like four punches that were just thunderous that put good heavyweights like you pointed out down whether it was billion white or Alexander. These are good heavyweights. The he just put out of power, so I'm curious to see if he can get inside that guard fury land, a couple of things that buckle him. He won't just put fury down. He'll just put him like several punches instead of one. Let me tell you something about Tyson theory now? Tyson fury has the ability to adapt. He has ability to go into the trenches. We saw that against the wilder. and. We know that Joshua Anthony Joshua doesn't like the kitchen. He don't like the inside anytime. The short rugged Andy Rees gotTa nearside on him Oh. It was too hot I. Need to get out so the second time he fought him. He danced on the outside. I give him credit for that. He made the necessary changes that he needed to make in order to win that fight decisive. What the thing is when he fights against theory in fury, figure that out in knows that varies not gonNA stop. He's not gonNA banded that he's not GonNa let Anthony Joshua just run you know, run back or moves to the side. He's GonNa. Be attacking him leading him with punches in landing, harkening shots encounters on ethnic Joshua. You know at the Johnson fight that will back. No, he. He don't that well off his back with. He's fantastic. Anthony. Joshua's fantastic at about mid range mid range. He's wanted he wanted the best. You know counterpunching in combination country in heavyweight at mid range like you said no one can compete with them. You know when four punch combination known. Yeah I agree with you there. Last question for you, Tim. You know it's amazing that years after your manny pack. Yeah, we're still watching. Manny Pacquiao At the top of his game or close off his game money man still in the welterweight division. How surprised are you that Pacquiao had the type of two thousand and thousand nine that he had. And what do you want to see him do next? How do you want to see him? Go out if this these are the last fights of his career. Listen. I have bet against the pack more than probably four times. And I will never bet against the pack again. Pacman is unbelievable athlete, a phenomenal fighter, a phenomenal being My surprise, he's fighting. In his forties, you know a lot of people surprise, but you have to understand that today's fighters are not like yesterday's fighters there. There are a lot different. today's coaches are not like you know yesterday's coaches. There are a lot different in so there are certain things that out sees that most fighters don't see, and that's the reason why he's getting into the ring with junge. Guys, you know one of the things that I didn't realize that cow saw against Keith Thurman was. Was that Keith? Thurman always pulled back in a straight line? And when you do that. Against Manny Pacquiao. He's able to follow you out with this combinations. Input you defensive in. So with that being said a lot of these fighters. They make the same mistakes. They pull straight back in a straight line you know. When he fought against mayweather, mayweather will go back, but then he would dip to one side and then go around. That's different. Mayweather was a at distance Andy CAPP. Is this very well? TATUM with Jabba? Keeping them out keeping thinking so that's why honestly that I know why I honestly know why pack our still fighting, because these guys, today can compete with him on the level of of Iq with him, he still has the speed. He still has some speed. He still has some punching power any as a ton of experience in what he uses against the joke fighters. You know and that's why he compete. That's why he can still compete. At this level at this is level I'm not surprised the PAC. Man is still alive, and he's still dangerous is still dangerous for anybody. In the wealth way diminish to me, anybody. He still dangerous will. Yeah I agree with that completely. I mean he's a medical and to the point you're you were talking about earlier stays in phenomenal shape year round. Like doesn't his body go, which is so critical for you? Do Chris. We're doing be a zoom Jim. I got to tell you really letting yourself go there. It's tough. I. I love the honesty man. I love you on Maso appreciates you. Let me know man. I might have to do something about it all right. I'M GONNA. Go eat another doughnut. Tim Tim keep up the great work man. We'll catch you. On Espn Tuesdays and Thursdays you know for the foreseeable future, and then hopefully to some bigger fights in the fall. Thanks for joining me man. Thank you buddy, appreciate you Chris. You are joining me now on the show. He is the B. O. Middleweight champion still out there looking for that big defining fight hopefully gets it sometime in two thousand twenty, if not soon after Dimitrius, boo, Android, what's up? This is going on Chris Doing. I'm good man. I'm anxious to get back to work as as I'm sure you are I mean how? How's your pandemic experience Ben? You know you know me, not being in the ring for. Quite some time is nothing new to me when I'm you know. I'm taking this time to really appreciate like my life family and You know. The the creative minds like you know, do your own thing. Get Your own business going intrigue out what you need to do with your life. That's I'm taking. It was a sad situation of course. But all all we can do is you know? Go with the wind. So great on that a little bit like you know. What kind of stuff have you tried to do? You know during this downtime whether it's business related or otherwise. Yeah? Definitely. You know you know business products that have properties. Manufacturing business. We have going on and. You know family, time and then. All the traveling and other stuff you like Kinda like you know the little things you might you. You might not like pay attention to anymore, but now with everything going on, you sit back like the I miss out on like I've been doing too much I've been like. This this me, sit still and figure out different ways needed to happen and you know in my life it might not be everybody's I'd watch was was going on as pros and cons in at the end of the day. When you GonNa, do dwell and live on like the battle. You'RE GONNA figure how to get out funky. Make whatever works for you how you can be a better person. Regardless was going on. You know so I mean that's that's Iro-. So what? What are some of pros? Then of getting these four months to spend with family and doing things that you wouldn't be able to do. Well, that's pretty much it like painting more being. In into now happen to travel over the place. Spend more time doing. More, my kids activities in this sports in helping them get to where they need to get to. Me Looking outside like okay I. Already Been One. That's already. Had like this kind of like the city, end of the stick of the box and business a way again among slave months without fighting in half now. So that already happening to me I'm looking at the benches in life so I can prepare myself. In Boston does go good doesn't go good or whatever needs to be done for for my life. My family's life to continue to move forward moving so by those things I'm always you know. What I always look into and I've been staying focused on, but now like you know with this whole thing is I can spend more time doing some more things than looking at Ottawa shape more of my kids. Because now I have more time. How do I see all of these projects? Because they have more time, you know versus the new training and being here and being over there and relying on other people to. Make decisions in May. Try not to shortcut stuff so now. I'm there can be more more on to see what happens on a daily. So you never know when things can change obviously and when you're going to get the call to get back into the ring with so with. Somewhat. Limited. Options so far as training goes during a pandemic like this. How you adjusted as have you had to do things significantly differently odd during this pandemic. No. Nothing Know the the same training routine. Whatever whenever I feel like what you now whenever I feel like doing and he didn't do. I don't go to La Fitness to go. You know I don't like we don't know we don't have. We have our own gyms. We do our own thing and like you know so. This is you know business a life that we live, so it's not like you know. Somebody has said a Elliott victims membership with. Co.. Fortunate enough that I can do my. I'm one of those guys to meet your is. That has like the equivalent of an l.. A. Fitness membership that has just been like you know building my Jimmy, my own garage which sucks, but it's it's something that's there the. You just got to create your environment. So, you're a Guy Dmitri in every time you fight every time we talk. I think you and I are on the same page. We want to see you in a big fight like just to test your skills. Against the very best. You know? What kind of communication have you had with your promoter? Eddie hearn and you know just people around you about what could be next for you. And what that? What big fight is real on the horizon? It's it's tough to. It's tough to. Answer any. Question that you just asked us because at the end of the day. The like it's not me as not playing. Anybody is the other side in I have no problem getting into any of the you know popular names out there. That's never been issuing me. I'm willing to put my tallied up against the best and at the end of the day. Whatever happens happens I'm willing to do. In, showcase chilled I have the wheel I have to have the sent to get near where anybody that's in my weight class in my way, oh problem As far as I communications with Eddie natural disown. Whatever you know what I'm saying, there's a lot going on I'm not going to be heading on them. You know what I'm saying this over the stressful stuff. Everybody already so it's like you know when that when the time come, we all know. The face we want to put together and this like no crowd may visit Crowley on like I. Don't understand people tuning into the zone or whatever channels going on right now we want us kind of see. Good fights! You don't even want. You don't want to put together this bullshit. Run put together so good fight so. At this point if you WanNa, see me fight. Whoever is that is good, then we. They WANNA put together because it's going to only help you ship. At this. As any has eddie given you a date? At least to kind of work with I mean they are putting the fall schedule together as we speak, we've all heard the name Liam Williams associate with you a bunch of times early on if for no other reason than he's next in line for your title. As, he talk to you about specific dates yet. Man That not at all. I haven't heard anything you know. Maybe I might not be fighting next share with all this stuff going on. Nobody knows anything you can. You can put together all you want at that day, but if the government everybody's puts a halt to stop it, don't mean nothing. No, so and just. It's hard to really put anybody like my Calabar. To put the date fourth for him, because don't was going on. We don't really know where what states go to. Countries can come what countries can't come. So I'm like Shit was going to South America. Has. Has Somewhere where we can. Do you know, but you don't have any day? I gotta sit back in to see what happens as. We. We have no controlling now of what to put on anything or do anything. I definitely. I notice boxing going on, but in a big name Boston may now so you know you saw just like? It's a difficult situation, but go ahead. No I I definitely think when you say like. Go to a different country I think that as we get into twenty twenty one. Probably, that's going to be very real like whether it's China or Saudi Arabia or anywhere in the Middle East I think those are going to present as real options because they'll pay the money. You lose a site fee, but to that point Dimitrius. What's your position on not? Not just fighting behind closed doors, but fighting for a little bit less money, and we've seen guys like turns Crawford. Say Hell no like you're paying me. My full freight Orion get in the ring, either if it does mean I'm not fighting until two thousand twenty one. You've had other fighter Sarah. I'll fight for seventy five cents on the dollar just to get my career. Continue to move. What's your position on the financial aspect of all this? You know maybe you know. Stop Paying Anthony Joshua or that money maybe stop paying canal all that money. Maybe stop paying all that money. And everybody else to be happy with what they. Say had any day. Why do why didn't fight is gotTA take pay cuts when they're putting their life on the line. Just it's just a fucked up situation now because I have to say in that term because this up. Why, we gotta take a pay cut when we're putting a life on the line. Go pay cut everybody else. Pay Cut. Off The sports talk about I I this. A quarterback mahomes three five hundred and three million dollars. There's no pickup over there. Why is it I'll be? Understand. I think we'll look to to that. Point I think their their pay cuts and other sports like the NBA players are taking a cut this year. Baseball players have seen that publicized, but I agree with you boxers. Tie. Pink trillion dollars by. You pay cut off that you make two hundred million dollars one hundred. You'll still won't be happy, but if is making five million dollars year ain't turned into being two million dollars yet turn to one million dollars years get fucking punched in the face, Black Guy, concussions or the training like now, Bro! I don't blame tennis coffee for saying no I want my money. This is what I fight for is where I. Do my whole life all of a sudden you know I. Don't know if it's a dramatic I. Don't know I don't know his business, but if I was to say if on my side of what I know is. If you'RE GONNA pay. Take away the triple g money. Take away the. Money take away the Anthony Joshua money like those are. The pay cuts to be cut down. What goes I would. I would argue Dimitrius that eventually guys like Lofton Canelo Anthony. Joshua are GONNA have to take pay cuts because they're not look Nello gets his last fun. Anyway was eight million dollars in a gate. That's not there. It's not going to be made up by golden boy or by zone, so he is going to lose some money down the line. Well good. Quite. Patient never gave him that much money in the first place you autumn saying, but he's again. Like I'm saying like. There's a lot of money out there. That shouldn't be like the way how they spread between the names. Mentioned now like the people that have come up to a pay cut. Crazy just pay cut sweaty. Make make that spring. There's enough there well I mean it's. Would you don't you agree is losing something like he can't fight in front of a crowd. That's eight million dollars. That isn't going into his pocket early. Some portion of it isn't giving up some money. I'm not saying he I'm not this. This is not a discussion about like canal. Oh his money! Whatever I'm just saying. That's five zone. I'm define saying fires match you like when you pay cutting people. The people that are getting paid the most to dividend to everybody else I mean. That's the biggest pay cuts should be coming from. I have no problems by nanny body when it's time to fight them in. In at the end of the day, I know my words. They know there was people want to get paid for sitting there, trying to take their heads off each other at the end of the day. you know I have a number. They have a number. Everybody's willing to have their minimum. Everybody has a minimum number. Everybody has a maximum number to get into the ring with somebody you know I'm. Boils down to at the end of the day, but we were just talking about pay cut. We took pay pay-cut. So therefore ours is saying Cannella was making this much money. Guk Entity Josh was getting this much like. Pay Cuts, guys, everybody. Your system makes up the money and they still get paid enough as what I was just making. Point you don't say no. More less I if I say if they say had fight somebody, they had a knock off two hundred grand. Whatever situation is you know this ways around? Maybe later on you can. We can add that to this fight or whatever you know what I'm saying. You don't have to be all gone. Everybody got a mind the business mind. Keep that money, but just on. How spread the money like you know what I'm saying I've has. Some advice the people out there. that. That's interesting. I hadn't heard that position taken by a fighter before where CRICHTON from wrong. You're saying like a little bit less here, but you give it back to me there is that right pretty much. Saying? You think that's something. That's something like Eddie would be open to. You know. You know as between me and him. As me, get on the phone and figment now you know I mean by then the day's business. I mean I. Don't see why not and. That's how that's how everybody of! Contract in everybody's life, kindest being goes pay grade them. Baddies do more you get paid. You add to work coming up a few months away from the two year anniversary of you winning that Wbo title a big moment for you in the Boston. Garden near your hometown of Providence. told. If you fast forward to two years then like it is now D-. Do you think you would have had a bigger fight? Did you expect to have a bigger fight at that point? After winning title having Eddie her promoter having zone with all that money behind you? How shocked are you that you haven't had at least that one singer fight yet? I mean it just goes down to show. It's business. Right that's one and two. They don't want to ruin their business fight in Dimitris injury. You say so. Day like vast. The shocking part of it is like okay. Let's just put it back out there. Quick Okay will make an all that money. Anthony. He would you make an order money? Why haven't they fought d'humieres? Andrea making all that money. Either wanted. To have. He likes stated I went into mangoes. They going to make this happen to work. For him can Nello back in the day or coma. Bitch, you know he's I. Kinda Act in now not to disrespect anybody that goes in rain, but it's like yo Bro. Why why you? Why you why you trying to stay? Away from like others I'm just keep the names out. There got the towel brother. They mentioned meters Andrew. You mentioned you know. He fought Danny take. That's good now he was looking to. Fight Deva chang-chol like a right. Don't you cool? But why are you going from Chang? What about Andrea? Why David? David Benner Vitas what about. Billy? Joe Saunders like and now athletes, so for whatever reason I don't know why, but it just like I want the same thing you want. And everybody else wants because it's clear that every time you mention a canal or Challah or or triple G, my name's auto mix, and the same vice versa, so I'm always one saying. I'm willing to make happen. You know it was a pay. Child with a took that fight longtime ago, not notice. It was happening for seven million. What I'm saying because I was. What we talking, but at the end of the day is like you know I mean. I'm just I'm willing. I'm able to and canal, follow. Who whoever since you can't fly over there? They can't fly over here now. Guy Looked like a figuring out with was Cannella is. Here with child. See around here like who's around here. That's willing to do it and if you say who still willing to do. Now, you're right the Charles. Stuff and we've talked about this in the past that. Bothers me as much as anything I've I've had Ronnie Shields on the show. Ronnie let's Go Charlie Andrey. The winner guaranteed shot at Cannella make it happened, but I don't. I mean you clearly represent too much risk. I'm not saying this because I've worked with you a bunch, but you represent too much risk. Despite? The fact is a huge reward attached to it. Seven million dollars is actual money that you'd get Charlotte a fight you in that I. Don't that just always astonished me? Listen I don't care. That's a Lotta money. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money and you can make a Lotta money with that amount of money. It does seem dimitrius that the one guy that is ready, willing and able at some point to get in with you is billy Joe Saunders, and every knows the history there. You was supposed to fight him that hundred and sixty pounds title of back. He's willing. He wants to fight me on study. You're surprised. He's been saying it. Is when. The last few weeks he's got. He's got unfinished business with you. Oh, since Oh, I think I pete the sensors. You know his his his his. Excuse not to fight condello now he wants to fight Dimitri. You're not ready to fight. Can Element September bunch of fight? Dmitri's android temple is that. Is that what I'm hearing? I mean the list this tangle I. don't care. I'll play I play Billy Joel. I will. Try to fight it toys. Having to wait. And then after I four I don't know who I fought, but I thought somebody mentioned about fighting. Billy Joel afterwards still nothing. So yeah, if you really want to do it, then there's you know the stop playing games and do it I signed I came off what thirteen months maybe fourteen months layoff and my first fight back was to fight Billie Joe. So I mean, that's all I can really say. I stepped up to the plate to fight him off fourteen months off while he was the WBO world champion. So I mean if he really wants to do it every no. Is it as you sit here. Billy Joe Saunders is one hundred sixty eight pound champion. You are the WBO champ at one sixty. Is something that interests you more. Would you rather defend your title against Saunders or rather? move up trying to get another one different way class. You? would. Not Mind being three time will divisional champion. Yeah it a three way division. Six, fifty, four, sixty, sixty eight. Yeah, I have no problem moving up to one six to fight Billie Joe. I don't think he can make the way I don't know if he has the device supplements to do it. At a reference to the last supplementary was taking Perhaps. Yeah, you know the allegedly. Cut Up Yeah I mean listen at the end of the day. I'm in the I'm into sport to like my own glory. You know it's also prize in and I more than anything. I would love to move up to sixty eight to fight and become the time divisional world champion, no problem by doing that, and also you know would be nice to like you know have a goal in the sense of like a Banana Hopkins. How many times e defended his title, you know, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter one way class on three different weight classes. If I'm still undefeated and I'm defendant and I'm praying for about two to me. You know something legendary. Ask you one thing Dimitrius before I. Let you go. The the issue of you mentioned. We talked about supplements there and we've seen durell Miller in the news lately. Somebody that used to be your stablemate with Eddie, hearn matchroom test positive once again for a banned substance, his his opponent or was scheduled was born. It was Jerry. Forest and forest has said for life that should be. It should not be allowed to fight ever again effectively, said that, if if drill Millard hurt me in the ring that would be maybe murder killed me. That should be called murder. How do you feel about these positive tests and should there be a set punishment for fighters were risking their lives and we talked about. Testing positive out there. Here I mean there definitely should be you know a great fine, you know. Maybe some was suspension you know I mean. I don't ever want to you know. Ever stop somebody from making a living either you know what I'm saying. I'M NOT GONNA. Put a great deal on Oh. You can't whatever like if this is the only way to limit you know canal core job. Billie Joe God. Miller got caught twice now. It's like a right. This been going on for way longer than I was even on, so it's like hi, how they already come up with a way to like find. Keep people from you know taking these up smits as You know enhanced this trade speed and. Give, you, the more they give you. Opportunity really hurt somebody in a sport that you over the people so you know I have no control of that. I can put my opinions out there left and right, but in the day the port. Commission maybe fighters need to get together. figure out what the proper way to entertain this situation because today like you said. Some I. Really get hurt or you know diamond, pass away. You get in that situation. Because boxing brought, that is been upon US already before they passed away this about so say now take drugs and make even like the nickel higher, or or the other side of me like against the light like Nope, both of us take drugs, and we're both going to have a play. Equal flake play. You fail one way or another I never done this year. I will now don't needs yeah. I work hard to believe. Bust my ass for everything I do then day hill both. Both forfeit. That's one. That's one step below going into the ring with like a baseball bat like that's. That's basically going in with an armed weapon. Is it important like you are your known. Your clean fighter right? So is it important to you to go into a fight with your opponent? Having been advanced tested like, do you? Do you need to have every opponent that you face? Have that vodka or you saw or whatever? The equivalent is tested before every fight? I mean this is Israel people to a drugs. I don't WanNa. Get it newest. Somebody is doing drugs as just for just just messed up. It's just not fair. You know like what is this? is the ultimate ultimate cheating not saying I can't beat somebody s on it. But. Like, okay, this guy is getting stronger, each and every round his win and going away. He don't show exertion. He's not whatever like 'cause the day. Clean fighter somebody that would you is I I'm aware him down. I'm a break his will Ahmadou do with you have order stuff in yet. How can I be able to do stuff when you already take stuff? That will never get you to that point. That twelve found knockout I'm looking to do all the time looking to break them down. Break them down. Break them down boom twelve round knockout. No I agree with you. I grew the scary especially for boxers to be involved in those situations. Baynes coming out my body. No we have not. been trained been training for us. I've been playing professional ten eleven twelve years. I looked at some fighters by God the more. All my life. What am I doing wrong? Sometimes, there's a reason for it some sometimes. There's an explanation behind their. Dimitrius appreciate the time man I hope to see you back in the ring real soon. When I talked to Kamilo I'll tell them you want some of his money to give give some of them. I seen something like I'm not I. Don't be on it all the time about about every time a fight. It wants to fight. They, want the moves into stars or something like that, and of course that's what you want to move and move in the stock, but my thing is this right playing Cannella loan. I'm just now going off like. The. Scientist thing I, think it's a money thing more than anything like if I had the opportunity to fight, you know Muhammad Ali. Mayweather Void Jones junior if I had the opportunity to fight whenever guys get like maybe two million dollars whatever-ever just may get. With that type of fighter. Is the on itself a privilege and A away to make more money if you beat them. You understand what I'm saying that. I agree with you. That is happening. I had never had that problem of getting looking for less money. Get noticed I've been getting this. I've been. Rain for less money for a long time. That is that I believe me I know your your story like there. That is that drives me insane sometimes that guys. It's like you're still getting paid millions to fight it. And if you beat him, which you should have the confidence that you're going to do, you're going to get paid three times that in a rematch Andy Ruiz prove that interviewees made around four billion dollars to fight AJ and north of ten million dollars to fight in the rematch so. Take a little bit less win the fight and then get the big money the rematch. On Yourself. Exactly! So that being said you know I'm ready to tangle with whatever I can get in to do. My thank you know 'cause i. Got The confidence their ability to beat them. All and everybody got a punchers chance, but I'm willing to get in there and make it happen. You always are men good to talk to you. Stay healthy out there. Youtube appreciate you that you still look a handsome over there. Man, you young. Here's Skyway toll black, but you had A. Skinny White and Hanson is what I go by these days. Appreciate. You Man I god. Bless me expo. Cycle. Piece. I bet this week's episode. My thanks to my guests as always subscribe to the podcast over Apple podcasts rate review no I appreciate it and I'll see you next week.

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I'm about to call out one is the now, new heavyweight champion of the world and Andy Ruiz junior and the other is one of the great great phenomenal fighters. This game has ever seen in Saul Alvarez. Okay. Both of them would knock me out inside of thirty seconds. So let's be very, very clear. But just as lethal, as they are in the ring as lethal on the Mike, so you need to know who you talk into when you go out there and tweet your damn ignorance, which I'm accusing both of them. Mm of doing? I think's I and Julia. Goes on Twitter and calls me out for not knowing boxer, whatever I encourage you to your research before insulting my career. I know boxing isn't your land. But if you're gonna talk about boxing, please studying know what you are saying, why he's why don't you comprehend English because guess what you misinterpreted, what the hell, I said last time I checked, I thought you could read I thought you could comprehend. I think I'm a fluent person in terms of speaking into English language. Okay. I did not question. Your skill set. Matter of fact, I recall saying you could box good hands beat. You were good counterpuncher. I did say you look like job at a hut while actually butter being, which is absolutely true. Teddy atlas went on the air and said your physical fitness back, one hundred years, which is absolutely true. If you wanna look fat and sloppy, not me for that. Who the hell outta talk? I'm not a this. I just talked about how you looked, but I didn't say what word about your skills. Okay. But before I even get into you put Kamilo Alvarez's, quote up there, the great soul canot Alvarez, who's been a guest on this show, and it's been a guest on. I take as well because he opened his mouth as well. Why Iago put it up in Spanish? I don't know what that means. But I'll go on to say he said, yet another skeptical allows himself to be swept away, by sheer ignorance fanaticism without the slightest of their of what the sport of boxing, is first of all, tell your people. To be careful about talking about me that way because clearly you there. Right. That I'm assuming if you don't speak, fluent English, you know, rights fluent in English. So I'm assuming somebody wrote that for you. Well, let me say this, you real quick. Once again, I didn't say anything about the fight what I said was we're looking forward to a mega fight. Everyone salivating for wild versus Anthony Joshua. Your made us wait. Because boxing, is one sport that does that. And you get away with it, and you contributed to the erosion of the sport because you failed to give people the fights when they want to see it. That's all I was pointing about Andy Ruiz, I didn't say you can't fight. I said, nobody was thinking about you. How do we notice his true? You were thirty two at one and no one was talking about you. You are heavy underdog going into the data a fight. Nobody was talking about you. So yes, they made a mistake they slept on you. But the reality is no one was thinking about you. So when you talking about the public public patriots, and who we're looking forward to seeing. You weren't on that list, bro. That's not a knock against you. That's simply saying that the sport didn't market you that well. So after that goes down with how could you be so idiotic to send such a tweet out? You gave us triple g when we wanted to see it. We were salivate for you a triple g you gave us that fight. We were salivate for rematch you gave us the rematch. So how could you not see the validity of what I'm saying when you just obliged us with it less than two years ago? That's exactly what you did, for us, the fight that we will clamoring for you gave to us when we wanted to see it. And by the way, Andy Ruiz, so Alvarez you have an open invitation to come on this show, or I take any day, you want to you want to question. Boxing knowledge. Let's go. I fight that I saw was when I was three years. I saw alley versus Ron law. I saw alley versus Frazier. I saw alley versus Earnie shavers. I saw George Foreman versus Joe Frazier. I saw can versus alley. I saw Salvador Sanchez. I saw the interim prior Alexa, Gouello. I sorta hitman Hearns get knocked out by cigarette. This is where fights went fifty rows, not twelve. You wanna talk to me about boxing name, Mattamy place. And I'll show what just because I got a boxing story on the show with me and max, don't mean I don't know my boxing. My next guest is one of the great great boxes we've ever seen in history. You know something special about you. When your last name eight Robinson, but you should Ray and everybody except because you are bad man. I'm talking about the one and only Sugar Ray Leonard right here with Steven ESPN radio. ESPN. What's going on my brother? How're you Matt? Still pumped up. Geared up one shock. What, what is applies cigarette? Let me explain and I need your help here. I am in no way, nor did. I have a question. Andy Ruiz's boxing ability. Clearly you watch him fight. You call it the fight. He's an exceptional fight a good hand. Speed drill. Really good counterpuncher. Obviously got some pop in punch etcetera. What I was lamenting is that we were salivating for wild versus Anthony Joshua. And the allure of a mega fight has been ruined because we saw how Anthony Joshua went crashing down and because of that the spectacle, the, the way we look for what we were looking for to wilder Anthony Joshua. Encounter has been somewhat compromise to that. You say what? You can't judge Brooke buys cover my food is I when I saw Andrew release and I looked at his body, right? 'cause I didn't know he's not a household name. Right. And I looked at his body and I said this guy hasn't trained but I felt something was going to happen. Didn't know exactly what it would be something to Matic. Was gonna take place I swear to cut it was like the Primin issue. And when the Feis star, the first round feel not process. We all do that. Second. Around. He went down. Anyways went down. I said, this is it this perking it. And then when we got up, I said, this is not supposed to happen. And then he came back and he not down Joshua twice. I mean, isn't that say me I was like, yeah twice? Yeah I'm like, what the hell is going on? And I knew then 'cause I so in the face expression, a race that he wasn't there to just collect his chick. He was there to win. And I saw someone of a different, Josh. We just wasn't into the fight. He never really get started. In the fight sugary when I. When I saw Anthony Joshua Saturday night, I saw a guy, tell me if I'm wrong, I saw a guy that looked gassed in the second round before the knockdown. I saw God. It looked like he didn't wanna fight by the time. The third round ended and I saw God that was just trying to survive until he got put away in the seventh round. What did you see? You're right. He was not. He was not in there. He didn't have the tiger no pun intended. He didn't have that look that look that we have people don't realize I try to express sometimes. But when we ended dreadful we look in the mirror when I look in the mirror if I could see one or two people Sugar Ray the fight of the champion walk Raina the civilian. Very few Times Mirror handful. Seen Ray Leonard. And it's the most frightening moment ever walked towards the ring people change h champ. And you say you have no idea how feel because I'm not there yet. They're not there in the rain. There's trouble. Sugar Ray Leonard right here was thieving ESPN radio ESPN news and your career, obviously, you've only had a three losses. What was the bird, Roberto Duran? One was to Tommy to hitman Hearns. I think one was to Terry Norris. But I'm not sure. But when you think about her, Camacho, Camacho Camacho when you think about your career? When did you know I mean, talk to me about that feeling when you knew before the fight even happened that you just didn't have it? Commercial? I'm new, I'm new. I'll get again. I was dressed room trying to get that, that quick, Ma my mind and my body and my heart working together as one as a unit. I didn't have. I was like, that's what I mean by became civilized over sudden, I'm walking toward the ring, and I know a meeting the inevitable is the most frightening experience and we don't say, if I don't talk about this because we have this achievement but you as if you really as a fine, especially when he's passes primaries ready to come out he would tell you, she would tell you that it's frightening. It's frightening. Well, see is great. And this is why I got. I'm coming at you with this question. You know what it makes sense? You know, you had the retina issue after the first earns fight, you obviously had an illustrious career in all of this other stuff, we're talking about a guy in Anthony Joshua, who was only in his twenty third twenty third professional fight. He's twenty nine years of age when you talk about what you've been to you're talking about wars, you're talking about age attrition. You stepped away from the game a little while you came back with the upset over Marvin Hagler, etc. Etc. This guy didn't go to any of those things to have to be devoid of that kind of look or that kind of field that you're talking about is it that safe to say? That's, that's pretty complicated question. Because it's okay. It's what you feel individually, you know what I don't. But but, but then, again, Steve, the fact of matter is there are no excuses. There's no excuse. Although, there probably was something long with Joshua dot night, that particular my he was at a hundred percent as he normally is. And I don't wanna take away the props for release release deserve everything and much more than should proceed. I mean no-one no-one, I think no one believe he was on wind up right except release. And that's all that, by the way, by the way, the guy is third. The guy is thirty three and one with twenty two kale's. This is not a scrub. This is a pretty damn good fighter practically an elite fight. He might not look the part physically, but clearly released can really, really fight. There's no doubt about what? See you can't you again, the curriculum you can't say this guy's great because he had thirty five fifty fights and one and one defeat or whatever. No, it's on the caliber of his competition. I mean this guy is I guarantee you. I mean the one where the put this fight. You know, I don't know. I don't know what the odds were. But I know he was a heavy underdog. There's no question nature in the may on male under dole major, and there was no way. I said there was no way to where 'cause I didn't think he had the punch older style. Cigarette was an eleven. It was eleven to one hundred. It was an eleven to one hundred. Okay. That's, that's, that's pretty huge. I mean, really I never I could never dreamt that. I mean I, I couldn't envision it. You couldn't even you couldn't even do one of the story about this, okay? Because it wouldn't happen. Well, let me ask you. This question is should I as a critic as a commentator, etc? Sh- am I allowed to draw distinct difference between someone who just gets caught it gets clipped and somebody who got beat up because when I think about Joshua, I'm thinking he got beat up. He didn't get caught. He got beat up. But what did you say? Be he loss loss. I don't I don't understand what you're trying to say. I guess what I'm trying to say that there is a difference. You notice better than me because you will world class fighter. There is a difference between simply getting caught like you're fighting a good fight. But you get stunned fighters over as opposed to somebody out, boxing, you out countering, you and beating you and beating you up. There's no difference between the estimate. Yeah. Title, grace fighters dominate fighters down, take them out. Again, the thing those like Evan flow. It was like. Joshua came on strong that he paid it and then it because Jewish became the dominant player he became the dominant spider in that in this fire me he was doing contract was doing what he wanted to do, and he was not same caliber, but I give him props because it's this mental stability. Here's that mindset. He has inspired so many people because he says, you know, it's not what you look like. It's a matter what you do. Sugar. Right. Let me play become a cigarette lend right here was Stephen ESPN radio ESPN news. He tweeted me with this. I'm talking about the wild champion. He tweeted me text me this before he tweeted it out. He said, Joshua, he wasn't a true champion his whole career consisted of lies contradictions in gifts facts. And now we know who was running from hope. What do you make about that tweet from the other heavyweight champion of the world wild about Anthony? Dionne to this. I have to say about it. I shouldn't have much to say about that, because you have to guys that were every gonna meet each other for the biggest one of the biggest dot deep biggest fight in boxing history. And I'm sure Deontay is quite upset, because that's why I mean, hell, I couldn't wait because I knew that was going be hoping down the future next the next big fight between the two between Joshua and wild. I mean, that's I mean, how many I mean how many bucking in fact I saw Eddie Hearn after the fight. And I looked and I want, you know, talk about the fight, but I had to say you know what, what happened. What was wrong? And he said he just because he doesn't know. And I, I don't know either. It's, you know, the I mean we gotta as Joshua what happened. And if the unsure but you can't you can't answer that question one plate. Your brain's not Durant. Sugar Ray Leonard right here was Stephen ESPN radio ESPN news. So let me ask you this with Ruis Joshua, because obviously a rematch is inevitable. Do you see anything different happening or is this one of those situations where styles and makes fights? Everybody's might have Josh was number. No. Is not that I heard him six thousand five that was do make fight kind of, of, of what kind of get where you can get boxer-puncher. Yeah. That, that does but to degree, you know, it's going to all be up to Joshua. First of all, he may. Peop-. I looked at him smiling and I'm saying what the hell's ball 'cause I was, I was mostly devastated. My first professional laws with your rain. I got I got to myself, I cry like a baby man. I mean, come on. I wanna win I wanna win and I'll come back with engines, but again Joshua can only answer that question. Let me ask you this. When we look at this, I'm thinking about, I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm so disgusted because I I'm one of those guys that I love boxing so much. I really, really do. I've grown up watching it all my life. And I think about the great, great Feis that you gave us, I think about the great great fights. There's so many guys from your day has given us and I see now more than ever fighters and promoters, both delaying delaying delaying fighters, which is why just when it can. Illo Alvarez forgetting. Oh, me about, you know how it is fight. The mega fight was wrong, because I'm like, that's exactly what you didn't do the low, you gave us triple g and you not just once but twice when we wanted, this is what I'm concerned about. And so now we see a Terence Crawford Veritas, and Aerosmith's junior on the horizon, should this be a fight that four shit forewarn them and everybody anything can happen in the sport of boxing, when the mega fights are? There to be had make them should this be the warning the wakeup call to boxing to make sure we get these fights where we wanna see him a warning. This is a natural. This is a natural thing that takes place someday. Rare days, I should say it's not it's not all the time we fight there, where moments that we're not dress room and things. Just not clicking. We have a bad day, you'd have a bad day at work, your bad day in the office, and this and that. Yeah, but you can't bad day in that ring, and they do happen, not often, but they do happen. And you get into that ring. And also the guy you opponent you opposition. He's not he's my Bank. He's, you know, because you say he can't win. I feel that I feel the dole and these the every now and then you get a fighter. Like relief. I mean, again, you look at how this guy this little champion he poop. I mean everyone's mouth what down. But they draw drunk, I couldn't talk, I couldn't speak. I was like seeing the impossible become possible, and I give them props. No question about it. She was ESPN radio ESPN news. How do you feel about the sport of boxing, as we speak, because everybody thinks this is a great great thing that's happened because obviously, there's another dude that has entered the fray. And he's a made us aware of of additional talent within the heavyweight division again. I want. I hope Andy Reid is watching. I wanna give them all the problems of the world to kid appears to be very, very skilled. The record is impressive and now he's the heavyweight champion of the world. I can't take anything away from him. But I do think there's something to be said about a guy like yourself like me and others who loved the sport of boxing, who've witnessed it the way that we've witnessed it you participated in it. There's something to be said about us getting these fights when we wanna see it, and I think the mega fight element of wilder and Anthony Joshua has been ruined because now there's so many questions about Anthony, Josh. That I think in the public's eye in the mind that potential fight, even if he binges Ruis and wins back the title. I don't think the same allure is there for him while the two that you say what? Well, you think which is saying is taco wrecked because that was Indianapolis if I could with Joshua. And while that fight. We just knew that was gonna be the next one, right? Joshua has to come back. There has to be a rematch like ASAP. I best first thing on his own booklets. That fight any s to dominate. He has to analogy. He has to say you know what I have a bad my bad night at Madison Square Garden. But you know what I'm back again. And if he does that okay, wipe clean, same thing with me. But we both by during the night when I came back. Nama sugary. I was getting ready to bring that up. You know why meant to check to you. I am not going to allow somebody is great as yourself to be phenomenal as you were to sit up there and put you in the same breath as Anthony Joshua. Roberto Duran was the hands of stone to lose to him that I go. I mean that's not the same. Right. That's not the save time. No, you got me way. I hope I'm out to stuttered to a. No problem. Being that came out that way, but still I'm still kind of pissed with the during but no this, I know what you're saying. See you saying the thing they gotta fight time will tell put it that way. And that's what makes boxing what it is. These things happen often. No question about that. Thank god. They don't happen often. I mean, this is a major upset in that arena. That's gone. That's gone. I looked at people's faces. I mean, it was audience, the fans will cry there was like what? What happened? And you also gotta remember we're cigarettes, what did you think? What is discussed it I was furious. I was at Toronto Canada. I didn't see the fight live. I went and I went and watched the whole fight five times on YouTube for crying out loud. And I was ticked all. Why will you discuss because I've been waiting for a while Joshua? And by Joshua getting knocked out by Andy Ruiz, all thinking about, oh my God. What if what if while the hits you what cigarette? So if you if you don't get me wrong, I get your perfect example. Let's say somebody remember for Pino Cuevas remember him, right. Yes. Cuevas really put pinochle Cuevas to really, really fight, but he was no, Tommy to hitman Hearns who. Who, hey, one hundred eighty degrees. So what I'm saying he was this if I'm looking forward to Sugar Ray versus earns right? But, but before Hearns before you fight Hearns. You get knocked out Pino Cuevas. I'm looking forward to that. When I know her go hit you. Boy wouldn't have. I know would have. But because hurt Sakir Papina Cuevas and we never heard from him like in life because it head was turned one hundred eighty degrees and he was not a country. Did the same thing that we're to rent? But my point is if you had, if heard not for Pino Cuevas and hit had been you and you got knocked out baba Pino Cuevas before you Ford Hearns, who would have faith that you were survive. Guess hurts and take you away to make a fight. You'll point is strong summit which what you say what you stated just now this. Yeah because. Yeah I mean lead into that later. The big mega big fight with Tommy. Yes. That's all I'm saying shook sugar out our always appreciate you coming on the show, man. You know, you welcomed anytime man, and I appreciate the expertise truly. Do thank you so much everybody. Thank you. Take it easy. Thank you, the great one of self sugar. Ray, let's see ain't never happened a cigarette. Yes, he lost it last, the Hector macho here that come on Sugar Ray was old dead beyond this. With sugar. Ray was in his prime who did he lose to? Hitman hurts without boxing, MMA, Kim that left dot and kept messing up that retina what the Sugar Ray to Angelo Dundee. You're losing it baby, you lose it sugar rate, went out there and fought like a madman and took her out. Sugar. Ray comes out of retirement and goes up to the light heavyweight. Visit and fights, Donna Lond, who was a light heavyweight and Donny lawn drug Sugar Ray because, of course dancing, and shuffling, the speed and playing around it. He caught him off balance. And he dropped Sugar Ray at all you did was see sugar. Ray lowest chinchillas chest. And then you saw scou- come over space and you said, oh my God. Lalonde isn't a world trouble. And sure enough Sugar Ray took him out took him out. Talk to me about this stuff to let me tell you something, man. I love my basketball and I know y'all try to get on me about some Amama stakes you know, that I make on the NFL. What were you working twenty hours live over the airwaves put week with even add sports duties into first of all, you have to send the mistakes that I've made I'm talking about the same team day earlier a week earlier earlier, but I miss spoke at that particular moment in time 'cause I got other things on my mind because I'm multitasking, but y'all want to act like I've been doing this for a quarter century. Now, what the hell but that's fine. But when it comes to my basketball, and my boxing, there are no two sports that I love more. Kamilo Alvarez, Andy released Julia. I challenge you to come on this show and refute the points that I made. Refute the point that I make I dare you Andy under your what is underscored destroy a one? We didn't know who the hell you wanna tell Saturday. We thought it was buddy being. That's what the hell we thought it was. You gotta be kidding me. And so our is a profit respect to you. My man you are lead, but your tweet to me was flat out ignorant. And I'm assuming somebody put it together for you. Oscar de LA Hoya. That's my brother. I love Oscar smart, man. You could come on here, defensive Kamilo Alvarez, and defend that tweet. If you want to. But Oscar de LA Hoya tries as an elite promoter in this game tries to give us the fights that we wanna see tot rank has a deal with ESPN. They are phenomenal. Love me some Bob Arum. Tartikoff and all of those boys, love them. Somebody, I did anybody come on to airwaves right now and justify. Make your people wait for mega fight and go tell me tell me that this mega fight a ruined who let me ask the question who thinks that the anti wild who thinks Anthony, Joshua will last browser Anthony. The WADA right now take your time away. You went down to Andy Ruiz junior and somebody who is conveying considered to be arguably the hardest puncher in boxing history. Just watch you fall to end e Ruis aka butterbean, aka job the hut that do. They watched. You fall him four times. It was supposed to look forward to the fight with you. Awhile the now. Andy released can fight major props to you. Major, Proctor you being the first Mexican champion maybe major property your skills, nothing but love for you, and I respect the hell of out of you for what I saw you do. And I want you to know that from the bottom of my heart. But sir, you were not a household name? Nobody was thinking about you. You are not box office. You ain't box office. Now you've got three belts, and nobody gives a damn about seeing you. We're more. We're more upset over the fact that we don't get to see Joshua. And while the we're more set at the fact we got to see a rematch with you, and you might win. And guess what? You might be well to. Although I doubt it, guess what? You might stay the heavyweight champion for years, and we're still not going to be interested in seeing you. You just not a household name. Boxoffice and in America, we care about box office. And we have been robbed of that. 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It's my talking about boxing, em people like me all over the airwaves talking about boxing, that compels people to read, boxing from you. To watch box from new all line on YouTube and various other places. Stop being so damn stupid, and hey, and recognize it, we family. I could sit up on this platform every day and pick apart one right after another, not trying to do that. I know you guys are great. I know you guys are smart. I know you guys are no butter though. Let somebody misquote me, I did not say Andrew is can't fight. I did not say he doesn't deserve credit. I said the boxing world and beyond was looking forward to wilder. I is Joshua a loss to Andy Ruiz junior ruins that Sugar Ray Leonard was just on a show where I pointed out to him before Tommy hitman hurts knocked out Patino Cuevas or before rather Sugar Ray fort Tommy, the hitman Hearns what if Sugar Ray Leonard had gotten knocked out. Buffa Pino Cuevas, which you have looked as forward to him in hurts. What have Hagler had got knocked out by somebody before he's four Sugar Ray or Hearns, which you had looked forward to that. Mega fight is went to elite fighters are about to confront one another. The outcome is undecided. It's up in the air. Intrigue is at its height. And we see that fight in the moment. We looked up even though they will old and beyond their prime may whether hadn't lost. But when you look at a guy like Paki out. Waited for that. We're talking about Terence Crawford versus. I will spent junior could you imagine what's going to happen to the specter of that make a fight? If what an gets, not that before meeting each other. Of course, we still be interested in seeing it. Of course, we still might watch it, but the level of intrigue will dissipate dramatically. Why don't y'all get that boxing, more than any other sport in America, not the world, but in America has diminished in the minds of the American public because we got baseball we got football. We got basketball, and we got Dana white with the UFC giving us the fights. We wanna see when we wanna see them we heard about an omega murder of versus condom, Greg. You know what, you know what they know why did we make that fight? Conor McGregor that I'm sticking 'em. I'll take on Floyd Mayweather. You know what Dana white, did he go shared with Mayweather, promotions and beyond and got the fight to happen. Even always an exhibition my point to you is giving people what they wanna see when they wanna see it. That's the American way. That's what tickles us. That's what intrigues us, and it's boxing, continuously robs us off this promoters. And not I don't give a damn this golden boy. If it's Bob Arum, if it's our Hayman, I don't give a damn who it is the fighters themselves. Could you work to try to give us fights sooner rather than later? So we'll have more mega fights, could you do that for us? Maybe you'll be relevant every day, instead of once every blue moon on pay per view, just a thought just thought it eight say, ESPN, eight, seven to nine three seven seven six will live right here with Stephen. Smith show. ESPN radio ESPN news. We'll close out the show with your calls in a minute. Guess what? You're in the middle of the Stephen swift show podcast. Dammit. Made it about show, ESPN radio ESPN news about to get on outta here. But before I do that, let's go back to the phones, j you lava, Stephen a make your point real quick. What's up? Steven one hundred hundred quick question for you to use the wilder will welder and Joshua vote. They're each other before one of facing Ruis. How you see that working out? No, no, no. It Ruis has a mandatory rematch or Josh Raza. Mandatory rematch clause. He's fighting Ruis next. That's the whole point. We have to wait for him while not to mention we saw getting knocked out four times by somebody that doesn't have the punch of WADA, not to mention the fact that while the cost got cost eighty one hundred million dollars, don't get me started having day. Let's go to take up you'll Stephen what? Go ahead. What's it gonna take cover household name because if he Anthony gosh, what we can? Already a house owning. He's already a household name, stop, stop, stop. He's already a household name. He can fight. We know he could fight. He can punch you can count a punch. He can box all of this. True. But the fact of the matter is it doesn't take away the fact that he looked like butterbean or job at a hut, or fat bastard, from the Austin power movies, pick your poison that's a reality. And when people looked at him and you see Donna's like Anthony Joshua getting dropped. There is an appeal but at eight this same as while the versus Joshua, which was my point. Thank god. 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A new heavyweight king

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

38:55 min | 1 year ago

A new heavyweight king

"This is sports illustrated boxing podcast boxing. Boxing with sports illustrated's Kris maddox interviews analysis. In everything going on in boxing and now a man who I wish was called the Boston leader. It's sort of like getting punched in the face. All Right Sergio. More is here. The Latin snake former junior middleweight champion zone broadcaster and a guy that shares way. Too much information with me. Because you could you please not tell me everything about like your toiletry habits. I'm surprised you have a clean bathroom here. But yes I carry wet wipes have dude wipes next to my toilet. I'm Clean Man. Mannix TO BE CLEAR. You have dude wipes next year hotel toilet. Yes I do so you come. It's a meticulous. That's the word for you. It's I have a meticulous toilet and fastidious restroom. Is that a word. I don't know if it's the right word. But you know what I meant. Dude wipes so fucking weird. I swear to God we are here in Texas Dallas Texas for the zone. Fight this weekend. Pretty strong car down in Texas headlined by Mikey Garcia. Making another attempt at winning a welterweight fight this time against Jesse surge. Want to talk about that. I also WanNa talk about the recently announced fight between reaches pro-gay and Maury soccer that vital one hundred forty three pounds in April. It's another terrific fight that I wanna get to as well as always best way to support this podcast get over at Apple. Podcast post a comment leave a rating. It's simple it's easy it's free. It's the best way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week but first. Sergio we gotta look back man. We gotta look back at a terrific weekend in Las Vegas and one of the bigger upset because it was a it was projected to be a close fight between Tyson fury and deontay wilder. The odds weren't wide in either direction. But if you had asked anyone out there how they thought this was going to go. I don't think too many people would have said that. Tyson fury overwhelms deontay wilder physically. Takes the fight to him and forces while there's corner to throw in after the seventh round. Let's start with Tyson theories performance. What did you think of the way? Fury fought against wilder. First of all no way. No one expected that I believe. The wilder was the favourite the favorite to win that fight right. I believe ever so favor but a favorite to win the fight. Tyson fury under I mean. They're both undefeated. Tyson fury lineal champion. But what he did was special. He'll box them. The first fight. Everyone knew that and the second fight. He said he was gonNA outfight him. Usually when you have a boxer that moves around like Tyson theory uses angels. He's not the biggest puncher but he has respectable power. I mean we all knew who the punch here was and it's wilder. But man I mean fury he he walk the walk talk the talk and he punched the punch and he took the fight out of wilder man and the way he did it. I mean he made them pretty much. I mean they stopped the fight. And there's a lot of controversy. I'm sure you're going to want to touch into that. But he made them submit. Somehow someway with you. Don't need to have a towel thrown in. You don't need the referee of the doctor to stop it. Sometimes when you're fighters getting beat A. B. Nan. There's no answer for it. You're submitting little by little. There's no answer. You're you're not winning rounds. While there wasn't winning rounds I mean he hasn't. He didn't do anything to prove that he can change the fight around with one punch even though he can do it because he did in the first fight and that's why he's so upset but no man Fury Alpbach. Some outfought him. Personally I don't need to see a third fight to craziness those that Tyson fury was telling anyone that would listen. This is how I'm GonNA fight and I don't think anyone really believed him. I thought they'd sign them. I didn't really believe in either because there really hasn't been anyone that's taken the fight to Deontay wilder like that in his career. Luis Ortiz in the last tactical fight. It was a successful strategy up until he got knocked out. But I thought that was the attack that Tyson fury it was gonna take but he clearly after going twelve rounds with deontay wilder knew that he could take his power to a certain degree to get knocked down a couple of times and he knew that the best strategy was throwing a bunch of punches and backing him up. I know that wilder had said coming into the fight that Tyson furious pillow Hans but he couldn't have believed that because fury hurt him a couple of times in that first. That wasn't a case of wilder. You know just dealing with pitty patter type of guy. He knew the kind of pop that a six nine two hundred seventy three pound man had and I give credit look. It was controversial to move away from Ben Davidson his trainer that got him back from the depths of humanity to get back in the ring to wins and then you fight deontay wilder but going to sugarhill training in that cronk style. I think that had a benefit argue all the time about what was about to touch on that change I read. This is the first time. I'm going to agree. You mannix that trainer. Change was a revelation. If that's the word because I saw I saw something in theory. I didn't think he had he. He thought the puncher and we all knew that while there has been no box before fury. That's that's all. I thought he had no way that I think he was gonNA knock out and make wilder pretty. I hate using the word submit because he wanted to continue but he beat the fight out of them and to me. That's a form of submission. And he was looking around for help. He said he didn't. He was blaming everyone but himself but he just didn't have the fighting. There was no fighting his eye in the corner. I always look at the corner. How how he's reacting. With his trainer there was no fighting. And there's no instruction it was a little bit of everything that went wrong for wilder but everything went right for fury. I mean the man I said this afterwards from what he from what he thought the privacy. How you so eloquently put it. He came back from all that to become the champion. Knock off the number one heavyweight the baddest man in the planet and knock them out the way. He did that that right there. That's what legends are made of men. That and this man became a legend. Not only because of a story and everything he had to conquer but holy shit the way did it going up in weight. The way he did I mean he he has A. He has a future outside of boxing where there's motivational speaker whether it's an active right now. He's a heavyweight champion of the world are. Let's talk about some of the controversies that were part of the fight. In the aftermath of the fight in the first and most significant is mark bruins decision to throw in the towel in that seventh round. Brilliant is the assistant trainer in wilders corner. Jd's the head trainer has explained to me before and did it again after the fight that they run things differently in team wilder whereas it's more like an NFL team. Where is the head coach? Brilliant is the offense coordinator effectively saying that brilliant has more power than most assistant trainers do but Sergio Eurofighter. I don't know any assistant. Transit has the power to do something like that and throw in the towel. That's what made that decision shocking. So let's start here the decision to throw in the towel by Mark Berlin. What did you think of it at the time? And what do you think now? I thought it was the right car. And I'm speaking for the fighter. I'm speaking for the fire in Mark Berlin because J. D. if that's his name because I haven't even studied them I don't know he is. I don't know what a champion vs guy. He got wilder from the very beginning and built into a world. He's one for one while they're good for him but he doesn't have a resume he's like for instance my coach. John Montelongo he. I've had my entire career but he doesn't know boxing. Boxing trainer deemed compost. So that's what I think capping here. I respect them both equally so if one wants to fight to stop the fight you gotta appreciate that more brilliant. He's an Olympic gold medal. It's one of the greatest amateur fighters in history a two-time professional champion. What does J. D.'s done? How does he know what it feels like to be a fighting another man professional fighter to be? Have that pain to know that. There's no winning this fight. There's resignation submission all these other things he could a fighter could see another fighters is when he's lost when there's no answer for that. What the fuck is Jay? Dee's no inside the ring. He knows his men outside the ring. But what does he know inside the ring? Those were punishing punches. And not only that. You start thinking as a fighter as as a retire fighter. Now coach like like the assistant trainer Margaret. When you start thinking about the future what pass boxing. The family man. I mean there are so many tragedies that happen in the last two years five six fighters have died. One one of our watch and it's just when stuff like that happened. I wish I would've stopped it earlier. Look Wilder wasn't taking a humongous beating but he was starting to get beaten down and he wasn't in the fight. Mark Brilliant saw that. I think he made the right. Call all respect to dis for for bringing up a world champion like that. But he doesn't know what Margaret Linda's you can ask any professional fighter especially one in the championship level. If mark really make the right choice it will be one hundred percent unanimous absolutely. Yeah I mean you have to look at what. Mark Bruin was seeing at that point of the fight. I remember tweeting this at the time in the sixth round. I'm wilder and he's moving around the ring. And every time he got close to the ropes he put his arm up on the ropes to basically prop him up. That told me he was completely. That's that's bad body language for a fighter. Anytime you start boxing when your arms are up like that you'll see. The trainer slapped the end hands down. That's a sign of and I keep saying it. That's a sign of submission. That's a sign of. I'M TIRED. My legs are done on a break. Negative negative negative art. So you don't WanNa do that. That's why the reason the trade always pushed the album's down. I know look like you want to have the body language. Don't show resignation. Show the referee that you want to continue fighting. It's body language. Deontay didn't have that. But you know who did have it marked. Brilliant for noticing. Yeah and look I was I was ringside so I couldn't see or hear what was happening in the corners but I remember after that sixth-round seeing what I saw in the sixth round looking up at the big screen and just seeing the kind of engagement between wilder and decent Brio and while there had his head down he wasn't really interacting with either one of them. That told me that he was on the cusp of being done. And then I'm assuming this brillant hasn't really talked about this yet but I'm assuming brilliant saw that big right hand come in from fury and that was the straw that broke the camel's back there and look. We both know deontay wilder when a decision against Tyson fury and at that point in the seventh round. I think we had a pretty clear idea. That wilder didn't have the power anymore to land that big shot against Tyson fury. So if you're you're sitting there going all right well my can't knock this guy out. He may be able to hang in there for three. Or four more rounds. What kind of punishment is he gonNA take? In between the thing. The beautiful thing about punchers. They can end fights with one with one punch absolutely. Everyone likes to see a power punch but you know what they suck at doing surviving. You know they don't know how to survive because they're not used to being on the other side of the they're not used to being hurt they don't know how to hold onto no kill rounds. They don't know how to move around the ring. George Foreman deontay wilder named puncher after puncher. They don't know how to make how to survive when they're hurt because they're not accustomed to being hurt and fighter more. Brillon who may not have been a power punch like that. But he's been around power punchers. I mean he wasn't the Olympic team with with great heavyweights. So he knows what it's like these guys don't know how to survive these punchers. Deontay wilder was going to be loss. Only that he didn't have the amateur pedigree. That a lot of that Margaret had so even worse he wasn't going to be able to survive but credits the browns bomber look. A fighter wants to die in the ring and believe me. I believe on when he says that. Believe me while there's a type of that once he don't all the talent. I'm going to go all the way to the end and I believe them but it's not up to him anymore. You have a corner for a reason. You have the people that look out for you because that type of personality that type of heavyweight mentality. That's what you need to become a champion but that's also gets you hurt it. Gets you hurt? And maybe worse. At some point I mean I was sitting there. Ringside in the DC area. When Maxime Data Chev went eleven rounds in his fight and to this day. You Know Buddy mcgirt will think about what would have happened if I had stopped that fight a little bit earlier so earned the side of caution and live to potentially fight another day. That's why I think Berlin did deontay. Wilder is furious as he is right now at least what he's saying he should thank Mark Breland for that March ruin saved him from a beating that that would have kept coming. Save Them from a beating and just made them another big payday because by people. Not Seeing deontay wilder crumble. Like like we thought it was going to happen or get be nap. Or maybe even get knocked out. Because he got stopped but he didn't get knocked out that actually can maybe create a third fight or saves his reputation as a puncher. All right. Look let's talk about that third fight but before we get to the third fight you know when Anthony Joshua lost one thing I respected about. Joshua is that he really didn't make any excuses. There were some reports out there about a panic attack in the locker room. And you know we wondered about you know the change in atmosphere fighting at the US for the first time but Anthony. Joshua didn't make any excuses in the aftermath of the fight with with a fight with Tyson theory. Deontay wilder made a lot of excuses. He talked about the wardrobe he wore to the ring being too heavy. He talked about brillant. How bruins should have done that. He still felt he had a chance to win the fight. He talked about the referee. Kenny bayless and blamed him for some of the stuff that he thought Tyson. Fury was getting away with I heard during one interview. The name Anthony Durrell was brought up. Anthony Durell yelling from the stand saying stopped the fight that maybe that influenced all this. I mean I I'll tell you Sergio. I was disappointed that while there went that road. I think look he did all these interviews say Tyson. Fury was the better man he said after the fight. Tyson theory was the better man. But just leave it at that. I mean. Don't bring up any of this other stuff because that just feels from the outside like excuse making absolutely big man big excuses and that shows a site of character in a fighter as a fighter we we judge what they do inside the ring but what they do outside the ring kind of reflects on the fighter that they are as a man. I mean so that just shows you. He's going to bring up excuses once he once he finally takes us first loss. And you really show the personality and temperament of a man in the loss. You know that that's when you really discover what you have. Can you pick himself up? Like for instance. We just thought the fighter meeting right now in the one of the first things we ask Chokwe Tito. Who's one of greatest pound for pound fighters in our era as? Well what are you? What did you do after getting knocked out? And he just simply said. I got up and kept fighting no excuses. He didn't make it say. Oh I wasn't a one fifteen pounder. I was coming up in weight my glove. He made no excuses. Dust yourself up keep fighting. That's it and that makes you want to see him. It makes me wanNA root for him. And whenever you get the heavyweight champion of the world make excuse after excuse from the wardrobe and everything just mentioned it just it waters down a all all everything that you appraised about him. And it's just not a good look. Manny really is not a good look fighters are meant to lose and to win and Regain Championships. Made Fighters Muhammad Ali special and sugar. Ray Leonard Special Roberto Duran. Just when people thought they were out they have one more great fight in the men. And that's that's why people get enamored with boxing because it gets reflected to a normal person a normal man. We all get our asses kicked. Get your up and keep fighting so while there says that there's going to be a third fight between them got about three weeks now to exercise clause formerly but it seems like. That's the direction that he wants to go. What do you think of that? I mean I don't want us to well contractually it's supposed to happen by mid July but Bob Arum said look we can push it even further if we want to push to September October because you can take advantage of. Espn Fox having college football NFL Games and things like that to promote it What do you think I mean? If you're Deontay I know you said you don't WanNa see it but if you're deontay wilder is this dude that normal first of all. Let's let's think about it a promotion and a network and pay per view. It didn't crack a million. They expected to do more than a million at least millions according to promotion to be. I mean look to break. Even basically they need like one point one or you go only did about eight hundred hundred fifty and they didn't get near it. They didn't crack a million so as on a business standpoint. No they shouldn't do it again. I mean it was an amazing promotion. Espn and Fox did an amazing job getting together and it goes to show what what boxing can be if people just get along. But that's another story No I don't want to see it again. The first fight theory outboxed amazingly. It wasn't for that. Big Racer. Their wilder head. The fight would have been easily in theory decision. Second fight. He got caught. You saw wilder pretty much not have an answer for for getting out box or outfought. Why do we WANNA see a third fight not only did not do the millions of pay per view buys the to do that? People want but as a boxer. I don't WanNa see it again. You got. I'll box. He got off now. What are you GONNA do? Mix a little bit of both. You're going to become a float like a butterfly. Stings like a bee all of a sudden. No you're a big puncher. That's what he is. He's a big puncher. He's not going to all of a sudden bringing in head movement and show you something different. He's going to be able to do it. You just said Anthony Joshua go from from from puncher knocking on everybody to moving around the ring for twelve rounds while doesn't have that in his in his In his resume and his repertoire. No I don't want to see a third. Oh and you're not going to be able to outbox Tyson fury in the way that Anthony Joshua outboxed. Anniversaries in rematch. Though along those lines if he doesn't take this rematch and win in this rematch. I don't know what he is at this point. I mean I've been talking to a bunch of different people like I'm a hall of fame voter. I don't believe I could vote for Deontay Wilder for the horse. Not but you know what he is. He's an Olympian bronze medallist a heavyweight champion of the world and a multi multi multimillionaire. Oh He's got all those things but I'm talking about like if he wants his boxing career to continue. What would you want to see him do fall back into the PBC ranks fight the winner of Adam Kanovsky or and fight with Robert? Helena's do you WANNA take on Andy Ruis. I mean man. That's a there are no belts. They're going to be tough. I would like you know what people maybe Andy Ruis. That's a fighter. That's an Al Hayman fighter and both have a lot of building up to do and they both need each other. So if I like that makes sense. You talked about the money. And look he's probably GonNa make twenty five thirty million dollars in a rematch. He Fight Danny. Rees is probably only five or six. Maybe a flip and the flip side of that coin is cash out. Get the media rematch. Well I look. That's the way clearly going to go. I mean you can make an argument. That Tyson theory. Those two have fought nineteen rounds archetypes. If very won seventeen of them. Yeah outside the absolutely two knockdowns in the first fight. Seventeen of the nineteen rounds and I just want to see a trilogy of with that with that fact right. Here's my thing like if I in a perfect world I would wanNA see trilogy at some point but I'd like to see some stuff out at some point. Yeah because then you get people you promote it. You get people thinking again. They make their mouths water. Oh well luck. Wilder just knocked out so and so and so and so anyways he's back and you know what he learned from his mistakes. Then you start you start building it back up. But that's promoting comes into play. So they I mean yes I would wanna see trilogy but not immediately look at what happened with the most trilogy. They don't have to back back to back. Sugar Ray Leonard and ROB. Roberto Duran. Didn't do it until you know no one cared about it. But people still want people still remember. It is conversation when Joshua got knocked out. But if you're deontay wilder what are you? What is your confidence level at right? Now you didn't just lose you. Got The crap kicked out of you got beat up in this fight and a lot of the same ways that Anthony. Joshua got beat up. I mean how big a factor is that like getting your competence back after losing in that way when you're a boxer it's not a big deal because you know that you can come back. You know how to fix the mistakes when you're a puncher especially when it saved you so many times you're lost and believe me that that aura of instability is out the window and we've seen plenty of times before the big cases Mike Tyson once that aura leaves. You're never gonNA be the same because you made a reputation out of intimidation. You made a reputation out of power once a fighter Tyson fear. Who's not known as a power puncher and that's another thing most power punches. Get beaten up by guys. That are aren't punchers and I love that because I wasn't a puncher but once those guys get a are susceptible they're never the same. I look I don't think every fighter out there that wilder faces could do what Tyson fury did to won't mean Tyson. Fury is the only fighter in boxing. That wilder has to look up to you. Know it has to punch up to. Which is you. Know a bigger factor than people give credit and he's got three of those punch vertically instead of punching down on opponents like he has for so many times in his career but I I think that's the mental aspect of all this. I think is going to be big to watch. Like does he get back in the gym. Does he keep his trainer? Does it keep real and around as you have that same level of confidence or is he shook? Because if you're Tyson fury you do the exact same thing in the rematch. You go straight at him and force him to fight going backwards and beat him up a little bit until that power is taken away from them. Wilder had any kind of character. He will do exact same thing. Anthony Joshua did to regain the belts not fire. Anybody don't blame anybody. Shut THE HELL UP. Get to the gym and just win your next fight win the rematch. That's how you shut people up. That's how you prove that the first fight was a fluke or whatever you WANNA call it but you don't do it by blaming everybody firing everybody and expecting the results to be different. Just not gonNA happen. Yeah I'm with you. I think he's well. Look Anthony Joshua. Add to his trainings but he didn't fire. You're right by ROB. You wanted him to do. I didn't say loyalty and I said loyalty is all they have in to the Olympic gold medal and the unified heavyweight championship or the world. You want him to throw that out for one fight. Fuck you mannix. Is that not something? That's happened countless times. Where fighters fired their trainers. I mean did should manny Pacquiao. Stay with his original trainer and not gone to Freddie Roach helped catapult him to should Wladimir Klitschko have stayed with original exception to every rule. But in I just named to the top of my head. What does an exception to everyone in the end? What is it going to stay in the annals of history and the history and host of Donald or got the onnell's history? Boxers that leave their trainers. It doesn't end up right because they're the ones that made you and no one else knows you like your trainer worked. Punctuate this conversation with with that right there. Let's move onto the fight this weekend. good fight good card here in Dallas Texas. Mikey Garcia taking another crack at the welterweight limit. This time fighting. Jesse Vargas your members bite. Last summer he was completely blown out by aerospace. Not only shame in that it might be moving up to one forty seven and immediately taking on arguably the number one guy at one forty seven but he decided to stay at welterweight. He's taking another guy that even though Jesse Vargas doesn't have the resume of errol spence. He's been in with the best before he's been a world champion before. This is a tough fight for mikey. Garcia. Minute wait a minute. Jesse Vargas has a great resume. He doesn't win the big fight so he has a great says. Benon with one draw with Boehner. I thought you said he doesn't have the resume of Aerosmith. I said absolutely. I mean got better resume because he wins wins. Yes no part of the whole. Yeah you win so great but it gives everyone. He hasn't been knocked out. He gives everyone a run for their money. Yes I mean. Farm are famous yes tim. Bradley and Manny Pacquiao Boehner four-time afford champion. However you want to see that. Let's just go. Yeah I we both agree. Jesse Vargas very good fighter. Yeah so what do you think of the decision by Mikey to stay at welterweight and fight? A guy like Vargas in in in Spanish. We call that stubborn and he's Mexican. American unease grew up in southern California. And yeah man we we have. That temperament were stubborn. We WanNA prove that that we can do it against all the criticism maybe not against the aerospace as of the world but against the Jesse Vargas as Jesse Vargas never been knocked out. He's a two division world champion and he's an excellent fighter gives everyone a run for the money including great fighters like Manny Pacquiao and and and Tim Bradley so if if Mikey Garcia can convincingly beat a fighter like like Vargas or even knock out a fighter that's never been knocked out in Jesse Vargas. That's a statement. That's I'm back and guess what I did at one forty seven. I'm better call. I'm stubborn I did it. Forget the criticism I'm staying. I'm here to stay Mikey Garcia. I think he'll be better this time around. He's got the experience of fighting at welterweight. He knows how to make the wait now and just kinda prepare himself on. Fight night for a fight. It's going to be considerably bigger than him. And look he's taking on a guy that is probably not going to hurt him but Jesse might be without boxing but Jesse's not a huge puncher. I don't think there's much danger. In Fighting Jesse Vargas. There was with aerospace. That's an easy thing to say there. I just. I think it's a risk because what happens if Jesse outbox completely which is possible. Jesse is GONNA come into this fight at around one hundred sixty pounds. Most likely is a big one hundred and forty seven pounder. Who's going to rehydrate? Well above I think the middleweight limit. What happens if Mike Loses badly in this fight? That's that I think would do some significant damage to his career. I mean you could always go back down to one hundred forty pounds and get significant fights that the winner program. Hooker would love to fight. Mikey Garcia so much pride for that. Mikey Garcia is too much I think if he loses in depending how he loses to Jesse Vargas. I think that would be an and I'm saying there's just blindly especially just leaving the fighter meeting with Mike Garcia. He didn't want to become a fighter like he told us he was around. That passionate passionate a fighter. He wanted to be something else sees a college graduate. Now he wanted. He has other ambitions now. He has money in his pocket now. He's not poor so a loss of Jesse Vargas. I think will be the end of a Great Hall of fame career in Mikey Garcia. Not because he can't continue doing it because if in his mind if he loses to a exceptional fighter two division world champion Jesse Vargas and depending how loses for him? He's not good enough to be beat. The greats anymore beat the people pound for pound fighters that he should be beating. And that's the kind of ambition and Mikey Garcia. Hasn't that's why he's a great fighter great fighter Mustang good or exceptional great fighter and I think if he loses. We'll see the end of them so the end of him where I don't think he's done if he loses. I just thought he didn't have the ambition of boxing when he was young. He said he was pushed into you. Just heard them in the fighter meeting. I wasn't about Mikey along was pushed into it. It seems like the passion is not there. He just naturally gifted and like. We've seen a lot of talented artists and writers. You would know but they don't have the ambition. I mean they're just naturally gifted they do it. They do it because they're so good and people tell them they must do it. They're not pushed into. It's like okay. I can make a lot of money and people love the way I do in love what I'm doing. Let me continue doing it. But as soon as someone who's them wrong and he's already been proven wrong and spence but he can blame it on being a welterweight but if he does it with a non puncher like you say Jesse Vargas. I will see the end of them out of pride. Not because anything else just out of pride. I don't know I mean I think maybe he kinda rebuilds and doesn't take on the winter appropriate hooker next back to back losses with a proud fighter like that. Yeah he's a proud fighter. But you're still going to be in demand it can make a lot of money and as long as isn't get knocked out. I don't think it's I think you can. You can write it off as saying look. I bit off more than I could chew. I'm just not a welterweight. I am in elite. One hundred and thirty five pounder. I am a very good one hundred forty pounder. I'm just not one hundred. Forty seven hundred. We've seen it all the time. Sergio guys moved up in weight. And like well you know what that was a little bit too much. I'm going back down. I can see that scenario happened for Mikey Garcia. But they don't have the character of Mikey Garcia. And Mikey Mikey has this. This maturity this intelligence to him. This example like this is a real character. Mannix character I'm telling you right now. Mikey Garcia if he loses independently loses bad. Jesse Vargas on Saturday. I think that'll be. That'll be the end of his career. But for right now you won't see him again. You just saw a couple of weeks ago we saw Hoyle Norris who went two hundred forty pounds after losing dilemma. Chango lost badly was smoked by PABLO CESAR. Cotto knocked down three times in a first round knockout comeback and pick up a huge knockout and is now going to walk into a massive. This is why I hate debates with you because you make good points. Sometimes that's a great point right there learners. Yes so sometimes. What'S THE COUNTER ARGUMENT? That like the counter arguments is that Mikey Garcia is. There's something different about them and Llaneras has been knocked out several times. So He's hiding times yes he's already been down out several times he knows how to come back. Mike Garcia just two losses back to back to champions multi division champions. I think that'll be. That'll be enough for him to say man you know. What if I can't be pound for pound grade I don't just want to be average and you gotta you gotTa respect that. I do respect that but it look if there's motivation for Mikey Garcia. It's what might be awaiting him after this fight if he can beat Jesse Vargas improved. That he's a top tier or at least the medium tier welterweight. There's a good chance he gets the fight Deepak absolutely especially if he can beat him decisively even knock them out because then you could sell that promote then say look many popular. Great Manny Pacquiao. Kenaka Vargas Mikey Garcia. And Eddie hearn has been walking around this week in Texas saying that he can see that fight being made for the summer in Saudi Arabia. Look part of Patios issues from what I've been told her desire to fight outside. The country is the tax stuff. I mean the taxes are significant. And you go to. Saudi Arabia don't have to have anywhere near kind of a tax liability with something like that. So if Eddie hearn kin score the type of Saudi oil money that paid in line the pockets of Anthony Joshua I can certainly see it happening because on the side. Look I don't know what else is GonNa do. I don't know what's next for him and if he does go into a big fight. I think it's more likely fights Danny Garcia than fighting many packet which Paki out kind of looking around going. Well I already beat Keith. Thurman I don't really have a desire or need to fight Shawn Porter. I could've fought turns Crawford years ago but I decided within so. He's not GonNa do that now. They have wanted to fight Mike for Awhile. Patio actually showed up at the aerospace. Mike Garcia fight people thought he was there to call out Arrow after he was there to Scout. Mike Garcia. Everyone on his team was rooting for Mikey Garcia to win that fight because they want to see Paki out versus Mikey Garcia if Mikey can win convincingly if the politics worked out I think that will be a fight in the summertime in Saudi Arabia. Especially if you look at many pock yells resume with Mexican a Mexican American fighters I mean. He's just he's huckleberry he. He knows he knows that style. And and and as a Mexican or Mexican American in myself I look at Baucau. And he's a fellow Mexican. 'cause we love that type of style? And he has a lot of Latino fans yes fans all over the world but yeah Mexicans really appreciate many and that'll be a pay per view so that will do over a million easily. Well if it's on disown. It won't be a pay per view which it probably will be and if it's in Saudi Arabia. I don't think it's going to do that type of number either but it's still a great fight and one that even if it's in the afternoon is something everybody will be watched the way you promote that fight at eight division world champion versus a four division. We'll be in Philippines Mexican American Saudi Arabia all of the above. It's great if we have to go back to Saudi Arabia. I don't to the best part of Saudi Arabia. Was You being miserable? Yes couldn't sleep. The entire trip take hills on Friday. Get down and then I got sick and it started raining. Almost didn't make the fight almost missed the fourteen and a half hours. You lied about your phone being broken and I sleep. That's why looked like this and you look like you. Yeah Okay Yeah He. Have you seen your nose lady your face makeup? Yes looks like Casper. I'm a white guy from Boston? Puts them chillier? It's a podcast idiots. All right let me finish with a fight. That was announced this week. A officially welterweight by between two top to your junior welterweight. S- outrageous coming off the unification loss against Josh Taylor. He is getting right back into the mix against Moore Sukkur who fights again love this five mental hope and so bad that it was going to get made. Murray to fights ago lost in his chance to unify against Jose Ramirez. This is basically. It's kind of like the loser's bracket in the world boxing super series. Because you've got Taylor and Ramirez scheduled to fight each other at some point twenty twenty now. You have pro great person Hooker and I love to guys getting right back into the mix. I don't care that's one hundred forty three pounds. I don't care at all that there's no belt on the line in a fight like this. These are two guys that are among the best in their respective way classes and I take it you like this man. I love this fight first of all I love program and I thought his fight with Josh. Taylor was a a great back and forth. I thought Taylor One Convincingly even though some people thought program deserve more credit but it was It was it was two elite champions fighting each other at that way division and with Hooker. He faced another elite champion and a unification and Ramirez and we all saw what happened candidate for fight of the year. It would've lasted a little bit longer in my opinion but yeah the loser's bracket both these citing both these guys carry theirselves champions. They are champions. And it's exactly the type of bounceback fight that you WANNA see after a devastating loss of your hooker or after a competitive loss if your program. It's I can't believe the promoters actually decided to agree to do this. I can't I can't believe the fighters agreed to do it because usually they want a bounceback fight. Especially if you're Mojo Khor I mean you just got a bounceback fight program. That's right. You did interest around. I in okay. That makes a lot more Time magazine. That makes a lot more sense because he become gun shy of getting knocked out for the first time I would never but yeah you get gun shy and Shell Shock. You don't have the same mentality of of of Kinabalu. Kill I mean. I don't like using that phrase but you don't have you know the you know the momentum going for the first time get shook shell shock kind of like Like a war veteran but yeah for them to to bounce back and want each other. This is what champions do men. And and and it's it's it's a crate fight. It's a great fight on paper. It's going to be a great fight. It's it's just over on its promoters working together as well so it's a win win for everybody. I mean that's an exceptional fight at the right thing. Look we. We sat there with Mikey Garcia. And we talked to him today about patio and one of the things he said was like look. I've been waiting for for a long time. I can't wait forever on this guy and pack. Yeah of course is eyeballing. Maybe Floyd Mayweather and certainly other fights on that side of the street. If that can't be made between Mikey Garcia and Pacquiao the winner of program Hooker all of a sudden looms as a real viable opponent. Especially I think if it's programming pro-gay lost by the narrowest of margins. Josh Taylor he can fight at one. Forty one forty seven whereas I think hooker he keeps saying he wants to get his belts back. But I don't think he's GonNa fight at one forty anymore that one forty one forty one forty killed but the one forty three. That's all him like. Pro Gray said I'll fight at one. Forty Hooker wants one forty-three this after fighting at what one forty one last time around? So I think he's done at one forty so a program wins he can say to. Mike Garcia you want to do is at one forty we can make it for like one of those fake ass. Wb titles around Hubcap Hubcap titles or if you want to stay at one forty seven. I'll move up and I'm not an overwhelmingly physical guy. It is a great chance. It's a roll the dice but a great chance for the winner of that fight to position themselves for a big payday against the Mikey Garcia. We've seen how he looked like a ghost Maurice Hooker when he was weighing in the last two fights he struggles to make one forty. I just think he outgrew the weight. He's damn you're six foot tall. He's just one of these fighters that he doesn't belong at one forty program it. Does he's short. He's money's a little bit more muscular. He has that stature Yeah one forty three. Forget the bell. We don't care about the hubcaps. We don't care about what championship their bowl championship quality fighters let them fight. They're coming bounceback fights. This is exactly what what boxing is about. What what what people celebrate over they want the best fighting the best while these two program hooker. They deserve each other. And we deserve this because I mean for for champions to bounce back and fight each other I mean. That's that's the best of boxing that fight scheduled for April seventeenth the DC area. And I think the owner concert too heavy for tuna is GonNa Fight Luke Campbell for that one hundred thirty five pound title. The Devon Haney had to vacate because the surgery. So I think it's just a card from top to bottom headlined by to to really on top Tier Fighters Sergio. You never disappoint. You always say some fucking bat shit crazy. I'm GonNa get you sponsorship by Dude Wipes Dude wipes dude wipes what is the matter with? You all gotta wipe her button Max.

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ & Travis (HR 1)

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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ & Travis (HR 1)

"We. Are here. It is ESPN LA golf tournament day. We're here at Pacific palm city of industry. Getting ready to play a little bit of Gulf for some of us for some of us are electing not to participate in the actual Gulf this morning. So boycott everybody's. Welcome your back hurts. Why does your back hurt my back hurt because I don't wanna play golf. Well, it's a good reason. You changed your mind yet. No. No. I'm going to watch. All right. I'm going to be fun. I like watching this is fun. I'm gonna watch T off and break a club. I've seen before Arabia, right? Going to spend the entire afternoon with Chris after we're done here. This is going to be amazing the lead addition, I'm like any other it'll be great. It will be fantastic. Good weekend, guys. I had an excellent weekend. Yeah. Yes, you did more fights. I was there for history, its story. What was the historic moment, Madison Square Garden? Anthony Joshua any Reuss. History. The did you not you? You have no idea what happened on Saturday night. Travis has no idea what happened Saturday. What happens tonight? You have no idea where other than the screen was kind of blank. Whatever couldn't find you. What other than that? What happened? You've wrought it up. Now. You gotta, I'm just baffled at the biggest sports store to weekend went by, and you guys have no idea that the for the first time in history. There is a bad of Mexican descent who is the heavyweight champion of the world. I didn't even know they was heavyweight. Underdog joshua. This is like he looked like Chris, Chris, but snuck a Finnish version of him. Well, thank you Elsie. You're welcome. Pretty was. That other guy had been in the cafeteria little bit. Or Anthony Joshua six diners. God. Right now, I know who he is. And he Andy is the ungodly he's immortal. He's, he's super border. But clearly they had nothing to do with cheese. Put it this way. He's not at the vegan festival kisha looking zero some vegan eating in this weekend. I don't know about that. No, it was cool. It was just being festival out in not Hollywood. What's fine? I mean, it was interesting. You know, the this all the different things that they can put together. And, and as I told you before if you thought that the sweet potato could ever tasted like shrimp then. There is I know you'll you'll see that's all I'm gonna tell you, you'll see you'll see I got something for you. You'll see, I know I know it sounds weird a sweet taste like shrimp. I think he go too far with this vegan. So talk to there is a line there. Away. They've done some things and put some stuff together, and you'll see that's all I tell you one nine home in mind one, oh nine one zero four. The warriors beat the raptors last night in Toronto the even if the series. So the line about how the series doesn't start until somebody wins on the road. Apparently, it has started because the warriors did it last night. They did it with a barrage, the beginning of the third quarter. They just dropped a tiny thing. It was a sixteen o run the kind of swung the game. And then they held on at the end because last four minutes for the warriors Lysenko was rough. You don't see a team like that. Obviously Klay was gone looney was gone. They were doing a box in one on Steph curry, which haven't seen since literally basketball much, less NBA basketball, he couldn't get a bucket, but they held on and they want. Well is easy to a box in one with the other four guys, don't move. Shoot or shoot. I'm looking I'm like a bigger Dray, you, you're basically say yourself check. They're basically stay your cell check right now. I understand you wanna make sure that you're the glue and you get everyone else involved. But clay God, there's no Katie? You got all these injuries your WI buck. Naked open at the top of the key. You got to take that shot. Oh, but, but I think you, if you look at the way that they moved the ball around they moved it around pretty efficient before they hit the final buckets. I mean, they, they moved that thing Rondo final buckets that Shaba Andre go dollar was the first and only bucket. They have Hornets. Yeah. Let's let come saying they, they moved the ball, Draymond. That wasn't the only time that was the glaring moment at the end of the game. But that was the only time that he passed up shots. He was passing shots most of the game. But they was moving it around. It was four or five hands touching that ball before, clay or Steph decided at the end to take the shot with clay the ball was moving because the two of them you got to guard. Those guys couldn't cook was not announcing shots as well. But once clay was hurt once clay left the court that ball, really stop there have trouble getting it to. Steph in the first place Steph. But, you know this goes back all the way to win. They were playing the very beginning of this run that second year the clays little should say steps behind the back. Patent- went out of bounce. Steph gets really sloppy with the ball. He I'm a huge. Steph curry fan. He's amazing. But there are a bunch of what he did it a couple of times last night to the technical was really dumb. There's a couple of things he did that you're looking at a what are you doing? Because you're the only guy on this team that can do anything you need to not need to stop giving it to the other guys. It was it was a bizarre last three or four minutes of the game, especially from someone who's a two-time MVP who's been there five consecutive seasons. Now, you would think that in those pressure moments he would not as you say, kind of crack a little bit how these kind of confront that passionate intercepted. Oh, abs- pass intercepted. Lutely, I'm sitting there, and I on are you like if I'm Nick nurse. I'm just drawing a big old circle and going this was the game right here. How do we miss this opportunity? First of all, why couldn't get there? That's how they mistake opportunity now. Whether or not he was tired, his legs were heavy. He couldn't get there so yeah, the past should have possibly been intercepted with fresh legs. But it wasn't intercepted. Livingston gave, the no look dollar double clutched and knocked it down in the rest was history. So all the misses. Oh, well, we could have did this old draw at up in professional sports. There's a lot of what if, if we just did this? If we made this free throw in the third quarter to maybe this would have happened in the four you're gonna get that all the time. I wanna sports about what is if they would have got the interception. What the game look like but they didn't. They didn't they didn't. So there is no more. What if in fact that the matter is they lost at home. Now shifts back to Golden State Golden State has on court advantage in probably run away with it, it went back to the way that I think we anticipated going, but didn't engage in one. And that is where on Koa Leonard was really good was. I mean he was getting rebounds. He was getting buckets. He had thirty four points for them. But everyone else wasn't and you look at it. And Pasquale Siachen coming off at thirty two point game doesn't Mark Casale who had a really nice game one has six Kyle Lowry smells himself out in thirteen points. Same guy all of those things that we thought were going to happen in game. One finally did happen game two including that that tidal wave of points. Coming out of halftime that the wars have been famous for that. Just absolutely blitzed them. They won the game at the beginning of the third quarter. Yeah. I mean what are they gonna eighteen moves? Nothing is really intriguing because obviously if you're a Laker fan or clipper fan, you're watching these games and your always wondering how the outcome of each game, and eventually, the series is gonna impact co is decision and last night to me is a perfect example of what I've been saying repeatedly when it counts his decision making process, which is calories locked, Dan. Can't move that between John wall. Chris Paul and Kyle Lowry east. My three point guards. They just they just re-signed. Yeah. It was huge Karcher. It'd be really hard to move. So if you're you're signing back up. That's what you started out with with Kyle Lowry and he's not going to always be there for you. I said it before, but you were working. If he wins he stays if he loses. He's gone simple. Nobody leaves a championship team. When you win the on your own doesn't happen. I would agree. Ovalles, walks out of the door of a championship if he wins on his own. I would've thought he with that with almost every athlete I've ever covered in my entire life with the exception of quiet Leonard. He's just such a different stroke. He's just the different dude in really semi you watch him last night, the places rock, and he's standing there. Like you don't even know what's going on. Yeah. Most. Inscrutable guy I've ever seen in my life. But crucial does he have to get involved as you have to get hype? No. He this is personnel. But you would think that just the, the wave of emotion, the adrenaline coursing through that building that everybody is hype it, even a guy that traditionally is a pretty stoic. Do want to go with that. It's weird. It's just weird. How disconnected he is to it. So if anybody could win a championship and say, thanks bye. It's that guy what I you know, I've been at events in, which everyone is laughing, so for that one guy in the corner, I've been any events in, which everyone is client, except for the one. I mean, it's not that to me is not that unusual that he's not freaking out at this particular moment. There's tennis players who you couldn't tell if they wanted to match allows toback he I mean, there's just so people who are just like that team. I'm thinking we're talking about team sports. Well, there's doubles with areas. Doubled wait are live at seven annual ESPN LA golf classic from the injuries Hills Golf course at the Pacific palms resort. We are here for the seventh annual ESPN classic. We're here at industry hills Pacific palms resort. Getting ready to play a little golf today. Travis our sponsors, Colino rump company, valvoline instant oil, change, and cores light. Good sponsor Coors line. I have a few of those today, I think Chris, you're ready for that. I don't like to drink on the course. But today we're going to get hammered. Why don't you like to drink on the course? Isn't that the? To say I did it distracts my game. Do you play tennis different key play wide receiver? We'll tennis athletic wide receiver. Well, yeah, it depends on what you're doing. There's a lot more thinking on the football field. It is on the golf course. Yes, please. Yes. What? Now, get up and hit it and go to catch a ball over thinking, okay? You sound you sound like a great, Jim. Magic. He sounds like move and move into position. Right. Moving to a different spot tied in. All right. So the warriors got a contribution last night from somebody that really didn't do a whole lot. The first time they're available. Boogie cousins was back last night. He played heavy minutes and did a great job here. Steve Kerr talking about books. He's great. I mean, you know, we came in thinking, all right? He can, you know, maybe play twenty minutes. He gave us almost twenty eight. There was only one time in the game when he needed arrest, which was mid fourth, and we gave him a couple of minutes and then got him back in the game. But he was fantastic. You know we needed everything he gave out there, his rebounding, his, his toughness is physical presence. Getting the ball in the pain and just playing playing big like he does we needed all of that. So I thought he was fantastic, twelve ten and six. He also had a couple of blocks along the way they don't win that game last night, if billion play like that, first of all, you look at the stat line. And that's the first thing people turn to what it was. But it's far great into just a statistical side of the game. He's on the floor. He makes people shot subject subjectively changes things. I think when you got a presence like that you go back to game one gave them eight to nine minutes, but he was coming off a two month hiatus where he was just basically relaxed and trying to get his body back into shape. He was forced to play the twenty eight minutes with the injuries on the floor. So gay Steve Kerr different sorta lineup. Now he's working back in shape you'll see a different player. Even again, I believe in game three out of Oakland. Well, it's just funny because the warriors they just hit you as wave after wave guys jet to deal with. Obviously there Steph, there's Katie, there's clay, and you need somebody to do. All of your off in of clay's not out there, all of a sudden kevon looney who's been a very important part of what they do. He's unavailable, just having his presence in another guy that you have to account for was every because Steph was out there alone for a part of the game. I mean from offensive perspective as true but his biggest impact was just his presence in defensive end and a ball game worm. Pasco Ceac home when off on them drought. Thirty two very, very clean efficient. I think you might have missed two shots. A lot of those buckets were point blank range, or very, very close at around you have boogieing there in addition to Andrew bogut, plants insignificant as well. And all of a sudden now Siachen shooting five eighteen and only gave you twelve points that to me with the different team game win a game to be Steph played pretty well game one. He was didn't shoot as well. But was impactful in game two. Everything else Klay played well in game one play well and game tube the difference was bookie being on the floor may Pasco more of a perimeter player. And he just wasn't as affected the game to such a big dude. I mean, it's, it's never mind. Just how tall is he's M V. Is he a seventy and he's gotta be close to three hundred pounds? I mean especially now because he hasn't been playing a lot, and he's Gehring a little bit of extra weight. But this is I mean not only is he seventy tall. He's a seven foot three hundred Pounder who can move and takes up a ton of space along the way. That's a big boy. Man, I in in may know that. So when you trying to go to the lane, he's just standing there. You don't want to run into a brick wall changes it changes, everything that Golden State dust from defensive standpoint. But Draymond green took Siaka out the game when he was on him Nate. They would run him adding dollar had he met ties. And I think you know that guy can't continue to have that game that he had in game one. And that's what they that was the mindset of dre Mont at the end of game. One saying it's on me. I loud him to do the things that he's doing. He won't do it in game two. But with the addition of boogie cousins is certainly was affective on both ends of the floor. I know that we were all thinking Toronto. Was coming into this thing is a pretty significant underdog key, you had a sweep if you had five I had six, and it still feels like that's probably happened. No, I'm not I'm not. Sweet. They'd got left some dust on the floor. What did what I'm closer? I'm closer to sweep in y'all are not saying he's on right now. He's all didn't you? So we'll see. Okay. Part of this too is, is that I understand that the warriors are the better team. But they can't keep losing at some point, they're going to run out of guys and maybe Kevin Durant's coming back before too long, and that will, obviously changed. But Klay looked hurt. I mean that what that does a little Hammy that was that was a weird little ham when he landed in his legs spread apart. That look bad you me, he tried to get a file. And then it didn't work. So right, wasn't great Igwe dollar pulled up again at another point. He's clearly dealing with some stuff, Kvant looney hit the floor hard. We know how important he is to what you're talking about. Three guys on the team that may or may not be available or if they are available, maybe less than their best. You can't keep getting fifty percent of your best guys hurt and all of a sudden keep winning the space, but Scott us swing back at some point, but they're doing that, but they are doing that even though we say they can't they can't deduct to what they're doing. I mean there are actually doing with Klay went out of the game. He's okay. He's gone. Kevin Durant gonna have any scores. There's nothing. Left except Steph curry, okay, slow now a little bit. But they still won the game. Slow down a lot a lot. For the last three and a half. They still won the game at the end of the day. And that's because they had a little bit of a cushion with a little bit of a Lee in a never surrendered the lead. And never got even it was a five point deficit there. And then they kind of went up a little bit more than he dropped back down to three in and went up to, you know, so kept going back and forth, but the end of the day, as we said from four or five years ago, collectively as a group, whether it's Livingston, whether it's dollar whether trademark green, all of those guys have done this before without some of those guys on the floor they've won without boogie on the floor. They want without Katie on the floor Klay, obviously has been there to whole time. But he's been outta games at times, because he needed rest or whatever the case is so Steve Kerr the staff they know what to put together in order to score points at, at a time that they need them to win the game. And that's what they were able to do. Steve Kerr's descendant of both pop Steve. Say somebody in these are two men who are famous for pulling the trigger when the stars aren't getting the job done. And so what Steve Kerr's been doing since he's been hired by Golden State Warriors, is not necessarily pulling the trigger and sitting them down when he's dissatisfied, but rather giving all these other players opportunities during the regular season, even in big moments because he knows times like this are gonna come up. So when Michael Jordan was double and the bog kicked because he had been in games all year long. He was ready for that moment in Chicago, obviously playing with playing with pop he knows pop goes sometimes ten deep pull pull the rabbit out of his hand you might going with those ten points come from. Well that guy has been playing fifteen minutes. No manage twenty minutes two minutes throughout the entire season. So he's always ready. Steve Kerr is pretty smart in that a lot of other coaches like perhaps my dantonio. Learn something from that lashed, the car can't just be a hard worker. Why does he have to be smart? Well, he usually is the first and last one out, okay? Sure that's standing. All of the stop hitting buttons. At some point, though, you're going to run out of guys that you can point to, I mean, they're just out of healthy bodies, especially looney looney will be interesting to see what happens with them moving forward. Because he's been an incredibly important part of what they're doing. We are live the seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic. The seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic is here today, we're live all day long from industry Hills, Golf course at the Pacific palms resort, and they are sponsors. Marvin windows, tap Petillo in invoke dotty pens Travis. And he lost his hat. Thanks. I mean if it's going. Come on. Man. Where's music? Marvin Gaye happy birthday. Yeah, it is more. We get. Trump black core taking boy, he has no, no. What I'm saying he passed an eighty four say it wasn't the day he. No. He was tragically killed. Yes. Yeah. I'll never forget that was sitting in the back porch and Detroit, men news broke and giddy. Would've thought she'd senior old girl on a way to kaeding pushing buttons. That is not me. You see my hands or not? Though. Maybe we close the laptop. Yeah. Maybe. Oh. You ask for information all okay, we'll pay happy per se, but they brought to you by Jaguar land. Rover of Newport Beach off to seventy three towards the sea. Are you looking at me? In nineteen eighty eight years eighty or should fair. Marvin Gaye song whatever one comes on grapevine. You just all all of them all. I mean, I get what's heartbeat, isn't it? Let's get to be, but inner city blues inner city booze. You're the man. All that stuff when he started getting woke in. Hoping person got taken down by two woke. Matter how old you are. Marvin Gaye is in your household. Oh, that sounds scary somewhere in the house knowing. Thank you behind that. Sure. Behind sure that room in their Jordan Peele horrifying. Barbara gains in the house, so we still haven't seen, and we still haven't seen Kevin Durant. But Steve Kerr did say that they may be able to play him after just using him in one practice. He said that it's feasible that Durant could participate just after one practice quote. It's really a day to day thing, if we had a crystal ball, we would have known a long time ago. What we were dealing with. You got to imagine that maybe you would. He was gonna play no matter what. It's Kevin Durant. It's the finals he was gonna come back and play. But maybe you push it a little bit because of clay because of looney because they're missing. So many other guys guys that have gone down. Now it's not just a luxury to have Katie. It's almost an assessment. Remember I told us go play game three because when you start to get on the list. And then all of a sudden they start rehabbing you you're doing rehab, which are trainers, and then move you from rehab, which are trainers, because his boring, and then all of a sudden, you start doing shoot arou-, then you move from shoot around actually participating in a scrimmage, but not at full till then you move from full tilt scrimmage to wanna once. Now when you go one to one, and you're doing one on ones with somebody that they're trying to see if you're if you're able to, you know that fast, which if you're able to celebrate if you're accelerating, then they feel good about it because now you're not going to tweak. Whatever it is that you're working on it. I think at that point they realize. Is okay. He's capable of going on the floor. They could've probably used them last night in hell. Yes. So I'm gonna use him, but he probably was ready to go think last night, but they said you know what we'll get through this because they didn't anticipate clay to get hurt. They didn't anticipate looney to get hurt. I mean, they didn't anticipate boogie cousins, a play twenty eight minutes. So they at the end of the day, they probably said, okay, let's just sit tight for game three. Let's give it a few more days because we don't need any major setbacks. If you're not ready. But the one ones was a major indication to me that he is ready if he's not one hundred percent or ninety percent. I wouldn't plan because you have a little house money right now. You got the one road win. You're not in a Muslim situation. If Toronto goes in. You don't play Kadian. They went guess what the series is where would have been anyway, then winning two home games. And then you anyone. So to me if I'm looking at K D, And I think I'm not wondering percents sure that he can go, then I don't play them, even though you have two more days of rest. Give me the four five more days of rest and half ready to go fired up. We're gonna kick their ass. K D game. Four versus possibly reinjuring himself in game three for a game. That's not really a must win situation for you. Think about it. I mean if they sit him out game theory that's another week. I mean this is a game forced on until Friday night. I mean he gets a whole nother week nuggets. Right. Go, but, but if he's ready to go if you think about if you think about the coaching in again, Elsie you were doing some other stuff. We talked about, what's working man. I just said, you do some of the stuff you and I talked about it with boogie d other night, you the other day, you say, well is he gonna play? He's he's playing because he's questionable in coaches will lead you in a direction when they start saying he's questionable. Okay Hawaiian he's playing he's there. Now he's starting to say we could use him, you know, sorta kinda talking about Kevin Durant. He started to talk about Kevin Durant, as they positive playing because if he wasn't gonna play Rashi simply say, well, he's probably not going to be there forcing game three. We're gonna wait the game four to see what it's like he's not saying, those sort of things, they, they. They watching the first two games of this series and watching the warriors do it short handed watching the warriors do it without you know game one but you played eight minutes last night. He played a bunch, but a bunch of other guys went down. It's gone from, you know, this is an interesting series of Kevin Durant comes back, it feels like a complete mismatch, again, all of a sudden, because you're adding the best player in the league to a team that already feels like a far better team than the opponent. And I know that Leonard has played really well, I know they got nice game from Siachen game one vanfleet Smit a couple of shots, but you've throw Kevin Durant back in that mix. And this thing is just I mean, it's, it's almost silly at that point. Yeah. It's just a reminder of just embarrassment of riches that their franchises position himself to have a lot of people wanna get mad and said they ruin the NBA, etc. Etc. The reality is they were smart. The has some luck because staff was injured early, and they didn't have to sign him, too big money when it was time, it's a big money, they can get away with a little cheapness, but overall between the drafting the trade. I mean, the Andrea go dollar move was brilliant, clearly, every little free agent pick here and there every single draft pick. They just have been smart. But, but let me ask you just tell you, you said that people the richness and people upset at Golden State because they signed Kevin Durant. Okay. So they won two championships with Kevin around near on a way to win in three have haven't there been other teams in history of the NBA when in two and three championships out of five appearances. Yes, I mean, the Chicago Bulls, I'm sure I don't know all the numbers in Detroit. But Detroit, the Celtics Lakers, the fellows, did it is this, any different just because the guy leaves one team to another because to me because Larry Bird didn't join the Lakers that, that that's I mean you had the best player in the league. To the best team in the league and that grant. By what I have no problem with it other than I think it really has tilted the competitive balance of the league to a point where something really weird has to happen like Durant needs to go down Klay needs to go down in. They're still already championships without Kevin Durant. Well, they won in one without Kevin Durant. Okay. But we gotta meet without Kevin Durant. Think about it. They got. Well, they really I mean. But it's a lot of fact it's a lot that factored into why they got beat you want. If you go to your Vegas tips, Vegas will probably sit there and say to you. Oh if dre stay in if curry doesn't get hit hurt. Then they probably new years. They be Cleveland. Cleveland head only LeBron I if, if kyri didn't get hurt if. Okay. So is no. If they lost you, you can't say that. That's my whole point my whole point. There's other teams that were good as well. Not. He thirty differences when you look at those those two great franchise that you guys brought up in the Lakers the agents as well as the Celtics it was the GM's making those moves that made them dominant teams. It was the GM's that position down to be able to acquire that the town of Eva through h free agency are drafting that the other guys simply weren't able to do with Kevin Durant instead of the GM, pulling the trigger. It was the player and because it was the player doing it. All of a sudden now, people wanna be offended and say, oh, the league is ruined. But the reality is read are back port a fast one on, on, on, on Golden State Warriors. They put a fast with his job, Eric. Yeah. Prepares please. And we'll take that Kevin McHale guy to Minnesota that he put a fast one auto. Kim mccarroll just said, hey, I want to go to Boston with Larry Bird people running the league blow up. But it's the same thing. It is the same thing with say, guys that when the players have the juice like you were saying those that just the perception of it does feel right? Because they're the ones that get to call it all right? We are here, the seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic in industry hills at the. The seventh annual one two three four five six seven day golf. Classic live on the industry Hills Golf course at Pacific poems resort. That's right. It takes to our sponsors Johnson Ville. The red chicks Nashville. Hot chicken Johnson, try that. Amazon, restaurant's could be a great day today here, the weather's nice the key stop. Or you're gonna come out in a few minutes and tell us how it looks hot chicken is whoa. Be careful you sit at this weekend. Why what's this weekend? Even the weekend were coming off or coming up coming up. Oh, is that where I get to wear the cups t-shirts? Oh, beautiful. Yeah, I'm lost. You have your affairs. In order Chris. Yeah. It's a bear on bare Keyshawn. That's what it means. Good morning. Good morning, more people are starting to file in the golfers are getting ready. Shouts out to you. Tommy swinging the club. Yeah. Are you ready getting loose? You're going to do the commemorative tee off. It. How much you, I'll give you a dollar. That's not gonna work. I'll give you ten dollars. They should let me win the car car car. You did almost Nacer Rivi, err on the simulator. Yeah. Yeah. Simulator. Well, it's pretty good. We me it was, it was a step in the right direction. Elsie. I'll drive more bowl further today, new, I promise you, we should do that. We shop, you closer to the green, and you and I promise you that. Well, the first it was like a par five, so that's not going to happen down the fairway. How about that? Okay. So down. Yeah, I'll hit it up. The part how many many, many years don't give food video from Atlanta. Get fooled simulator. Well, the video knows fairly revealing. Elevate, there other factors. Purpose. Purpose. I don't think I got you drunk this virtue. Virtue daniels. Something, MRs pretty smooth. Good time. There's rumors that rampage, the great Rams mascot on his way and he's going to give key putting lesson. Oh, I didn't know rampage. I think it'd be hard to put with that ram head. He can do a lot with the ram head on. All right. Yes, Anthony Ruiz junior, you call the those e. Do you call those e stuns Anthony, Joshua the hallway champion earlier in the show? No one called called eleven to one at Caesars. He's the first fighter of Mexican descent to win the heavyweight world championship, and I just wish that people knew who aim to release junior, what? Because it happens like yeah. Okay. Who's that? I mean, even with Buster Douglas we didn't know who he was. But Tyson was such a massive star such a massive part of the collective sports conscious that Anthony, Joshua's for boxing, people's a big deal. But for just sports people, maybe less. So we'll for the heavyweight division. It's a huge deal for boxing. I was telling nosy dissolves I'm just going to get it. Anyway. Just to watch it, but I have some friends over, it'll be, you know, an exhibition you know, the guy the original opponent gotten busted for, you know, fell to drug test. He felt all the drug test. He's all of them all. So this gentleman short, you know, month or something, he's, he's in near like, Appalachia sacrificial lamb. And these, these are one of the reasons as boxing fan. You just watch you just watch because I wanted to be there. And we were all the house was going nuts. Neighbors were coming over. What do you guys? That was happening to third. Rambo's wanted to. Best rounds? I've seen him boxing, maybe ever, or recent memory that I can remember really it was just an it was an incredible fighting a moment. I'm glad to be a part of it and its history in LA the show of the people and so. Joshua was the favourite. Oh, twenty two and one in twenty one knockouts. He was overwhelming favourite over a guy who has thirty three wins in twenty two Cao's. See the thing is though key is that you can have fifty wins. Then the next question is, who will they get to tomato Kansas? So, so just looking at the numbers, you were like going, okay. Anthony Joshua has also belt. He's got the gold medal. And this, the reason why this is such a stunner is because this was supposed to be anti judgments coming out party. This was his first fight the United States. You talked about how tight and has never mystique that everyone knew ethnic Joshua is such a huge star. In Europe, the man can't walk down the street, I was blown away when I was there last September for his fight a Wimbley where it was eighty thousand people and Wembley stayed him to watch him fight vow. The guy is a rockstar were there. He was supposed to be coming over here to give me to take over America. That's why it was on. I tell you knock. We got knocked the hell how in Madison Square Garden on coming out party feel now? Rematch. I think he feels like maybe I should have taken this guy, seriously rain, because the other guy, he just after the train will one thing is a breed. Naughty mouth as a boxer. Rees was very calm after Sacramento. Even when he got now, he got up gathered himself as very calm as soon as he hit a Joshua to heart Hitchock's. We would just started panicking little and breathing hard out of his mouth, even lasted until the seventh, right? It was he, he was. He looked tired gas. His legs were wobbling. You could just tell little boxing tells you can see good at boxing Asia job at does own should. John. The thing about him is that there was also the factor of that there wasn't a whole lot of activity for him. Right. So I was there in September for Wembley last Saturday was his first fight since then. So you had any significant layoff period. And, you know, for some boxers being twice a year fighter isn't enough, especially someone as young and he's still really too young as Anthony Joshua. So you got a guy who didn't take seriously didn't have as cardio where it needed to be an hadn't hadn't been in the rain in a fight since last fall, that other guy wasn't taking his cardio serious should. Well, you know what? This is really interesting because there's boxing cardio. And then there's cardio cardio. You know key. Let's talk about all the time about how, you know, Dwight Howard had big shoulders news, just like. But it was cosmetic muscle in a lot of ways. Cosmetic must and a lot of ways, Anthony Joshua on Saturday was a cosmetic fighter because he looked apart right now, of course, bus. But he didn't have the cardio the boxing cardio. Whereas Ruis leap didn't necessarily lift us, if he wasn't great cardio shape, but as Raj pointed out, various duty. He was called the entire time. I don't I don't think he was breathing on his mouth the entire. The guys had that was his thirty four th professional fight been through a handful, but you can have professionally, he could be fighting six round fights in some place know making fun. But there's lots of little places in little casino or something like that knock out SIS. He had no chance when he took off his robe. Everyone was laughing at the house and then you know, Joshua takes off here. It's like well you see the six pack. I mean ripped it's just announced those, the heavyweight division Joshua does he have to get back in line. So while doors is fighting auntie wilder. He's going to be fighting Ortiz, which is a rematch then he's he announced that he is going to be fighting fury which was a great fight that we ride Michael Thompson came down. That was he was there. So now this is throws the heavyweight division up in the air like, who knows what now you got reason to picture now is only three of fury, louder Joshua. Now res he's in the picture, you know, but maybe like Buster Douglas only for one fight, you know, and he lost. It's coming back. The thing I mean, this guy could turn around and Buster Douglas lost to evanger, Holyfield on the back end. And that's really never heard from him. He nearly eight him saying that's not even a joke literally nearly eight himself to death. He put himself in a diabetic coma, the whole thing. He's okay. Now he's doing better. But is that the way that, that Ruis is going to go? That's it will never see him again. Well from what I gather from his background. I don't know if he's going to disappear. But he's certainly going to contain to be on the screen, and one of the things that was really touching wasn't as post game post fight press conference. He talked about his mother and how much she sacrificed and you look, down and says, model we don't to struggle anymore, and was such such a beautiful moment that reminds you that, you know, underdogs have stories to, you know, we were focusing on Anthony Joshua because of who he is. And what do you mean to the sport? But sometimes we overlook Toronto has a story. Every underdog has the story. And in this case anyways, junior have story and it was a beautiful story, and it's fantastic. Be a part of the part of it play out. No, I do see seventh annual ESPN LA golf classic were here at the industry, Hills, Golf course at the Pacific palms resort.

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Mayweather-Paul Instant Reaction

SI Boxing with Chris Mannix

12:23 min | 5 months ago

Mayweather-Paul Instant Reaction

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You have talent. you're given another chance. Here's chris mannix. Welcome in to the monday morning. Podcast this is a unique podcast. Because chris mannix who. We just hired the volume. His boxing podcast. Of course he. Has you know fifteen years plus in the nba as well but the fight just ended so i spent forty nine bucks for it and i scored it my first takeaway chris before i bring you on. I had logan paul with a flurry at the end of the first round. His best round. I had a floyd's best rounds as round three and round four Marginal around five and there was a lot of leaning logan. Paul was obviously fatigued by about the fourth round. Maybe the third. But chris let let me start with. This is i. I think logan paul's pretty damn good. Now obviously floyd's forty four years old. Logan pollock like paul bunyan fighting me. I mean he's so much bigger and thicker but my takeaway is logan. Paul can fight. And floyd said after. He's better than i thought. I was surprised by the by the legitimacy of were you A little you know one thing. Logan did that. Excuse me enabled him to go. The distance was used at height and weight to lean on full. Yes see that in boxing a lot with heavyweights normally that are the super sized heavyweight going up against smaller heavyweights tyson fury. Does it a lot. Logan was able to use that six inch height advantage the thirty five plus pound weight advantage and slow floyd down now. He was never going to win but in doing that. He enabled himself to be able to finish which for logan. Paul is a massive win. Logan paul one tonight like logan. Paul is the big winner. He he's twenty six years old youtuber. Who just got in the ring with the distance with arguably the best boxer of this generation. Certainly the biggest boxing star of this generation so he acquitted himself as well as he possibly could. Yeah i might take away as he was tired by the start of the fourth of the announcers. I couldn't really tell my little phone. I'm watching on but he can take a punch. He's a big swinger. I mean he listen. Floyd at four is still lightning-quick. It's it's you know it's it's that brady lebron thing where you're like okay. This doesn't make any sense when george blanda played in his forties. Here's how old he moved like an old man. Floyd is still so quick. But you know so. You have logan paul and his brother and his brother's going to fight tyrone woodley the ufc guy. And when i was watching logan tonight might takeaway was woodley. Better be ready. He better trained for this. He's a ufc guy. I think these guys move consumers to pay per view. Chris i really do. I think they're here to stay. I mean my nuts now. I think they have some staying power. I think at some point. The novelty will wear off largely because they won't have the opponents. That are going to move the needle by tyron. Woodley for jake. Paul moves the needle. Now tyron woodley is gonna get smashed because jake paul can actually box a little bit. Yeah he's he's got some some skill to more than logan. Has i think but if these retired 'em hey guys wanna keep getting in the ring with jake paul. To try to make a couple of bucks there will still be a market for it for the foreseeable future. I'll tell you what like logan. And floyd saved in a way. What was a complete bleep. Show out there. I mean it's pouring rain in miami. So you've got fights on the undercard being stopped because they gotta wipe off the ring apron. The only fight that actually mattered. Was this middleweight contest. Jared heard louis areas and both. These guys are slipping and sliding across the ring. Right while it's going on the fact that this meanwhile you said you paid fifty bucks for it. I paid one hundred because the showtime app stopped working midway through. And i'll tell you what you go on twitter and put in showtime app and you're going to see some some angry people out there because that thing failed early on in the pay per view so having floyd and logan not be the debacle that ali in the japanese wrestler was way back in the day off turned out to be the best thing that could happen to this show. Yeah so for those who didn't watch logan. Paul acquitted himself. He's just a bigger guy you know. He looked fatigue the fourth round. But i don't think mayweather neither guy hurt each other. Although floyd clearly landed more power punches that was i. Don't have the data in front of me. But floyd landed far more power punches. But he was so outsized. Floyd just didn't want to get wacked. After about a fifth. I think floyd knew. He won the fight six seventh and eighth. He kind of just hit from him. But what you're telling me see you think we're gonna get smoked. Yeah i do. I don't i did just isn't a crossover right. Like and if if j. Paul wouldn't may get destroyed by tyron woodley. It's just their combat sports. I just they're just not similar. I've seen it too many times. Go both ways. Do you think jake is significantly. Better than logan logan tonight surprise me. I take him to a different low tonight. I looked at logan. And i thought i know this looks kinda legitimate. It's hard to tell with jake. Because jake fought a truly goofy youtuber in his first fight a couple years ago he then beat the daylights out of nate robinson and then last fight he stops up. What i say about jake is that a seems like he has that that quick twitch more than logan yes yes throw a right hand he's got that whereas logan just kind of lumbering and you know we'll we'll try to land one lucky punch jake's punches aren't really lucky there. I know his his trainer. Bj floors pretty well. And i used to work with them on broadcasts at nbc at bj's told me all the time like there's actual talent they're not championship level talent but actual talent inside. Jake paul so i think he's. He's a little better and because of that. I don't think we'll see floyd back again doing something like this. I mean this setup for floyd to face. Jake paul in the next fight jake. Sign that deal with showtime multi. He'll he'll fight woodley in the first one and the assumption at least on showtime was that mayweather would want to fight. Jake assuming this fight went the way hoped it would go. It didn't may didn't get the fifth sixth seventh round knockout that. I'm sure he was expecting not always going to want to get in with jake. Who's as big as one hundred ninety pounds to like. He's not a small guy. I don't know if it's gonna want to get in with jake paul and and go through the same kind of thing unless the money. So let's pay per view comes back and it's massive and jake. Paul does a massive pay per view against tyron woodley. Maybe then. But i think tonight probably dissuaded floyd from doing something like this against someone like them ever again. Yeah chris mannix. We brought him over at the volume. So i knew i've known chris for long time i i identified you Or discovered you for me anyway. You you've been doing great work for years on the celtics. And then i brought you on shows i've had and Then i found out discovered you had a great thirst and knowledge and insight for boxing. You know gaming so we feel so incredibly grateful that you are available so we have brought him over to do a Boxing podcast in fact. He just interviewed his first interview. As floyd mayweather You know it's really interesting before we get to basketball. You've done a really good job. This is very rare. I'm a generalist. You're an expert in the nba and then you segue pivot into boxing. And you've been embraced by people in boxing. We know that michael jordan couldn't hit a baseball. We know randy moss nfl roy. Jones tried basketball. I can't think of anybody else that is really considered elite in one thing you covered and then you have it to boxing I i'm just kind of boxing can be very insular if you're an outsider. They're not interested. It's it's got a little nascar and golf. Feel to it but you really. Are you surprised. Sometimes that i know you love both used to work in vegas. So i was like twenty three covering boxing. So it's so glamorous to me and so fun but just your thoughts on your ability to pivot into that and are you sometimes. Is it a pinch me moment that you get a cover to incredible sports down. Honestly it is. Because i don't know which one i prefer at this point. Because they're they're both funded in different ways. Basketball's been my life that was a teenager as a ballboy with the celtics. So i've been invested in that for a long time but getting into boxing. You're right it is kind of insular and the only way to get into. It is kind of how i did which was throw myself all the way into it like i was still throwing myself all the way the basketball but any free moment i had living in new york city. I'd be going to club shows. I'd be on the phone with every promoter that's out there getting to know them and investing as much in covering that sport as i was in covering basketball. You could still do boxing. But you couldn't get into the weeds. Become an analyst do the the nitty gritty part of it. The inside stuff. Part of it without really throwing yourself into it and making as many phone calls for that as you do for basketball. But i was willing to do it. And it's it's been a hell of a ride doing this so far. I still maintain con. You've been some big fights like a major fight. Delahoya mayweather mayweather pacquiao those to the top of my list. I've been to the uk doing some anthony. Joshua fights their grade better than anything else than game seven of the nba east. That's one of the few have gone to but if you i would stack that experience up against any major event experiences out there today. Yeah i've said this on my show before two or three things that people in their twenties just don't understand a how good al michaels was on baseball. Play by play and to how great boxing was when hers. Hagler and leonard and duran run their prime. I had just come out of college. My first jobs in vegas. I was getting free tickets and passes to these and covering it. It's the most fun i've ever had an and you know and then it went through a long twenty year period. Where you have see. Just was more hyper aggressive. Had a little better leadership but boxing's absolutely on a comeback. There's fascinating figures and we love having you.

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Mychal Thompson

The Stephen A. Smith Show

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Mychal Thompson

"The seat day. Smith show podcast is brought to you by Capital, One capital. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with the no Feazel. Minimums that can be opened in five minutes, Capital, One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member? FDIC. This is the Stephen a Smith show podcast. Welcome to our number two. Stephen Smith show here with you over the airwaves of ESPN radio and ESPN news two hundred and fifty plus markets across the United States of America was ESPN radio on Sirius XM channel eighty plus ESPN radio simulcast over the live national television, airwaves of ESPN news number to call. It was always triple eight say ESPN, eight, seven to nine three seven seven sixty SPN radio's presented by progressive insurance, making it easy to bundle your home and conscience. Plus, get triple action protection for optimal engine performance which show the power nitro plus premium gasoline. It's my honor and privilege to have my next guest on the line. I was going to say the y'all. Let's get more into Klay Thompson, and his dad. Michael Thompson brought to you by indeed used by over three million businesses for hiring post a job today at indeed dot com slash higher on the lower with us right now again you heard his name, you know, he's the father of Klay Thompson when he was a champion as a player with the Los Angeles Lakers. He's a radio hosted ESPN LA. He's my buddy. But also a highly highly highly opinionated and provocative and informed boxing fan. Evidently, I'm talking about the one and only Michael Thompson, right here with Steven A on ESPN radio and ESPN news. What's going on, man? How you doing? How's everything? Never been so intimidated and all my life. I played against Korean problem hardest Gilmore played against Patrick Ewing, but I've never faced Stephen a Smith one on one. So if I saw a little Tim data here, America, forgive me all you level. Oh, please. I'm the one that need to be intimidated going up against you. I know who I'm dealing with here before I even get into the basketball stuff for you. I couldn't believe you know months ago even a couple of years ago when, when you an our debate in boxing, you was talking so much about the sport of boxing. Evidently, you got a problem with people like myself, who heard, what Deontay wilder said about one in the kill Dominic Brazil this Saturday night at the bar. They send a clearly, we don't condone that level of hyperbole. But I didn't think it was a big deal at all Michael Thompson. Why did you first of all I am a big while the fan I love to watch incites but he went too far and this one it's any this word you wanna put in their disc. Ace Phyl distasteful. Disrespectful, disgusting and discouraging, especially to the casual boxing fan pool already may thinks even eight a boxing is barbaric sport. And to hear those comments come from the champion who is supposed to set the example of being a sportsman and the Bassett of the sport. It's an ignorant statement. It's stupid, Ali and Frazier. Stephen a Smith. Maybe you're too young to remember the greatest rivalry in the history of sports and not just in boxing. But all the sports, those two hated each other, and they never stupid, this low level, this lowest level on, on my heart. Michael didn't Allie Allie, call Joe Frazier guerrilla. Let's I didn't he get into real put just say, did he do that. Did he do that? Yes. He did. Obviously, you can't do that today. And that's an insult he called he called Joe Frazier, Tom insulting and razor was very upset about that, but he never talked about. I want to kill Joe Frazier in the ring. You can't compare the two Stephen Smith. Well, I'm not comparing it Michael Thompson. But what I'm saying to you is this could not could it not be an engagement in hyperbole, not condoning it? But I'm just saying boxes talk. He didn't talk about doing anything illegal. He talked about this. Right hand no, you to sleep. And what have you, right? We've always heard, and say, I wanna knock this guy. I have never heard a box of say, I want to have a death on my record. How'd you ever heard of boxers say that Stephen Smith? No. I have not. No. I have not rabble. Sal. How do you how do you just so casually dismissed this, what Stephen I slipped? Let me ask you a question. If we saying the hood. What if our defensive back set about a wide receiver, you know, when I talk, this guy I want a crippling I want to turn them into a quadriplegic was that'd be okay. We because that the moment of the. No, no, no. It would not be fair, and it would not be good with me on a couple of reasons. Again, I'm not condoning it just like I'm not condoning this now while the wouldn't condone that, but also keep in mind that, that defensive back is hitting a defenseless receiver when you get into the ring that is a relatively bar. Barrick sport. We do understand that the intent is to do bodily harm to one another. We do understand that the intent is to knock somebody out, and sometimes they engage in that level of are perfectly. We also know that factually factually, Tom Deontay wilder was absent, actually. Correct. Because a look, if you if you put this man, the sleep at something ends up happening to him happening to him. God forbid, it's not like the wild is going to get arrested or anything like that. As long as he does nothing illegal in the ring. We know that, that's nothing. There's nothing going to happen. So he was actually telling the truth. I don't condone what he said, Michael Thompson. What I'm saying is what the hell is it? WBZ doing talking about how we need to conduct an investigation. What the hell are you talking about? There's nothing to investigate. He said, what he said, Mike Tyson wants talk about hitting the tip of somebody's nose. So he can push it up into their brain. Mike Tyson said this kind of stuff. So I mean why are we in an uproar about this? Why can't we just say it's wrong and leave it at that because it's a big difference from saying, yeah, I wanna put somebody's Boehner to their top of their head or I want to knock some guy out as opposed to I want to kill someone in the ring. I hope I have a body in the ring, I how do you not see the difference? I to me when you talk about hit somebody's nose into their brain. I'm thinking death with that to, to be quite honest with you. I really, really am, but I understand your point. I mean, when you put it the way that you put it I have to concede Michael Thompson, that you're absolutely right. To be appalled by it as I said the WBZ, and everybody else should sit there and say, excuse me, what the hell are you doing? We have to rebuke, such words that come out, but I really, but I really don't believe that the wild omit that I mean, I think he wants to knock the guy out and embarrassing, and that's about it. I mean don't you think that this was a method for him to sell the fight? Don't you think that's what this was about? This wouldn't notice cost the line, you could say, yeah, I wanna destroy Dominic Brazil, I want to knock him out. I want to make it so that he won't wanna ever fight me again. I understand that. But to say, yeah, I hope I kill this guy. I mean I, I don't see how America's not and I've I was WBZ. I was the president WBZ. I would find I wouldn't suspend him, but I would definitely heavily fined for making such a stupid. Statement. I'm not like I say I'm a fan of the wind up. But in this instance you cross the line when you say you wanna kill your opponent and you hope you do they were moving civility. No, I'm not losing my civility. I just think that I was of the mindset listen, I don't believe he really meant it. I think that he's trying to engage in our perfectly to sell the fight. I think he means Stephen, I think he means it because he said in before Dominic zeal. I think he said he hopes to have a body in the ring. I think he said, I'd like six eight months ago before this fighting them. I just say, I think, I think in an effort to sell fight him being a knockout artist. I think those are the kind of things that he thinks will ultimately lead to more sales for the fight. I don't believe that the wilder legitimately wants to kill a man in the ring, I think it was high perfectly. I think when it comes to the support of boxing or pugilist exports. You do have people listen, I was at the mega medoff's fight against Conor McGregor. And I believe if the referee wasn't there Moton, new mega medoff would still be choking Conor McGregor. I think he truly wanted to kill that. Man. He didn't say it, but he was far more serious than I find the. Okay. Wilder, the B I tell you that we know we saw the intestine that number number. But I can't even say his name Conor McGregor. Of course, we saw the intensity and the hatred between. But we see hatred between fighters before during the course of history of the US, and, of course boxing. And I'm a boxing historian, I know more about boxing and max Kellerman, I always tell them do by the way, and I have I have never heard from a little boy, in the Bahamas champion say, I hope I killed my I've never heard that got. You got you Mike, Michael Thompson. I'm gonna defer to you, my brother. Michael Thompson, right here with Steven ESPN radio ESPN news. Well, who do you have winning this fight with all of that being said, well, the only chance Brazil has, he's gotta stay on the outside of outbox awhile, awhile, definitely? It says name or Representative and he gets wild. Yes, amateurish punches, come in wild, and crazy and out of control. Brazil can come straight down the middle with this job and his strike. Right. He could catch Dominic. I mean the because the aren't there has been caught before he almost lost. Luis ortiz. He was our basically. So the chan- be caught because it's not technically sound, he punches heart, but those punches come from wide angle. So you go straight down the middle. You can catch him the only worthy opponent. I've seen Brazil go against was Anthony Joshua and he lost that fight. So I've got concerns about whether or not, he's got the skill set to be a Deontay wilder, are you concerned about that? No. I think he's a good boxer. He's a little. He doesn't punch hard as Anthony Joshua. And you know you learn from your defeat. And he said he learned he what he did wrong in Joshua. Good go. Seven heart rounds with Joshua fly believes the best heavyweight of all the three main major guys. And by the way, boxing, the other day, max Delamore says the heavyweight division is alive and exciting. No, it's not. It's knuckleheads. The wanna fight each other imagining the C you too young to remember Stephen Smith put in the seventies when I was your age in a fifty fifty years old back there. I remember guys like Ali Frazier Forman. Kenny Norden all fighting each other is excuse. Excuse me, excuse me. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on Michael Thompson. I'm going to have to check you. Now, I kinda know my boxing, now I don't sit up at the bloviate about it, but it's used me. I remember the days. Iran lyle. I remember the days of Earnie shavers. I remember the days of alley and Frazier, and all of these boys. I remember Sonny. Listen. I mean, I was two years old when he had that second fight against alley for, I remember all of these, I grew up loving, Larry Holmes. I remember Larry Holmes against Earl, we've, I remember Larry Holmes. Right. It's against Jerry, Cooney and all of these boys. I remember Allie and Spinks in all of this other stuff. I know my boxer now but I guess what I'm saying to you is this. And if wilder wins this fight, who do you think he should fight next should it be Tyson fury, should it be Anthony, Joshua? And if he fought Anthony Joshua who would you pick or go, Josh? Well, I think Josh was the best heavyweight, and he should by Josh, when that's you know why you know what else I'm hoping to, I hope he'll win because these knuckleheads keep avoiding each other not fighting the fire is hot. What are you gonna do? Wait five years. He had to wait for Manny and Floyd to finally getting the rate thirty three he's gonna fight Joshua when he's thirty eight I don't get these guys in the wing. So I kinda hope either Joshua him loses just disrupt disrupting upset the whole apple cart because he's got the delaying getting a ring faced each other. And one of these guys are gonna get upset along the way and cost themselves about fifty to seventy million dollars because they keep delaying spike what's wrong with you. You got all that you got the power the platform Stephen they call these brothers out and make a blah. I can't call the brothers out Michael Thompson, because it's not their fault is to promote his fault. They won't make the final. Give me that. It's a fight when you want a fighter you the boss, Utah promoter. You, you stop me from making fifty million dollars. Are you crazy get? Listen, listen, listen, so many of these fighters are not the they don't control their own destiny. Which is something that fluent money may what the complained about. Religiously listen, arrow spends junior wanted Manny pack. Yeah. But he's getting ready to fight Keith, Thurman. Okay. Why? That's the promoters that make that fight. We all know that we wanna see junior versus Terence Crawford, but Al Hayman and Bob Arum, can't get on the same page, you can't put that on the as Michael toe. You know, they don't have tation. Reputation. But on the Nope, I put it on a fighter. I was L spans. I'm telling out here and you want me to fight Sean fodder for two million dollars when I could go fight terrorists coffee for twenty million. I do not. I don't wanna fight for you. Make this fight with batons profit. I don't wanna fight for two when I can make twenty but that's why were you, Stephen, I thought you were business businessman. I am a businessman, but I'm telling you that it's not about that. It's about their lack of control because they may not necessarily have the business acumen of a Stephen a Smith or Michael Thompson. They might count the dollars, but in the same breath that thinking about how to promote us have control. They're getting about a third of their money their purse, and what have you. And there's a level of control that they just they just don't have they don't have representations. You've got guys like Roy Jones junior and others who've gone on Capitol Hill complaining about the lack of supervision over the sport. And how they at the mercy of promoters for crying out loud and still have to all of these years. Nobody has done anything about it Michael Thompson. What are they supposed to do? Well, well, how in the world do we ever get how many hers or Sugar Ray Leonard? Fight each other van different promoters. How did that ever work? Tommy hurts and come home to get it because the promoters are willing to work together because the promoters, are willing to work together to make it because if you're a man, your fighter you tell your promoter, I don't wanna fight that guy. I'll give up my belt. I don't care. What does this mean to me for making two million bucks? If I when I can make sixty million over the next two five if I give him my belt and go fight this guy. What is wrong with you Stephen? Hey, why don't you see it? I do see it your way in terms of what from an altruistic perspective in terms of what we want to happen. I'm just saying that every time you turned around to these fighters, they're at the mercy of their promoters. That's all here, which is. Yes, you think if I don't know, Ali Frazier Forman. Those guys were fighting a day under different promoters. They wouldn't face each other. Is that what you're saying? Well, if you talked to at you another stories about alley and his dealings with Don King. You've heard the same from Larry Holmes and others. And you heard on many occasions, how they found themselves and unfair and unwanted predicament because they were at the mercy of the promoters. So even back then the promoters has some degree of control. Even when you saw those fights, you didn't always see them when you wanted to see them, Michael Thompson, that can't be escaped. No, no, no. I remember Larry Holmes. Remember, Larry Holmes, Gerry Cooney? Yes. Remember, took the site that we had to see and they made it happen, while the Joshua is the hottest fight that could be made in boxing, for these guys will be delaying it for another two three years. Who knows if it'll happen. That's fine for us. Boxing fans. I agree with that. Michael Thompson, right here with Steven ESPN radio ESPN news while I have you on the phone. Let's face reality as much as you know, about boxing. Your expertise is really, really in basketball. You're a champion for the Los Angeles Lakers in basketball, and obviously, your son is a three time champion for the Golden State Warriors. What did you think about what you saw from last night game watching it? What should we feel most from Golden State's victory last night over the Portland trailblazers in game two of the Western Conference finals, very gutsy win by the warriors to pull that out after formed out, seventeen to a blazer team was desperate and hungry for a win. Now they gotta go. So I was very pleased to see them come back and fight back and show the ship heart that they have. But they when they go to Portland for these next two. How do they know they won't have Kevin Durant? They gotta go up there and show of metal is all about again. Like they did engage six down in Houston. And they got to come out and Saturday, send a message to the to the blazers keep the game close because we know if that game is in single digits, either way and close in the fourth quarter, I think that Sampson medal will come out again, because the warriors had that experience porno will feel the pressure known it they fall down Owen three the series basically over. So the key for the warriors is clay and staff have to come out get sixty to seventy points combined again to keep up with Damien and C J and the Mona center because they're two boys are tough, and that billing, so the warriors and of bench gotta keep playing great. That's been the secret of the last four games for the warriors is their bench play. Those guys have come through for I'm interested in knowing from fathers perspective, obviously, incredibly proud of your son, and you should be because I think your son is one of the top five shoot as I've ever seen a basketball. I think he's that great of a shoot, and he doesn't get the praise. Neil? Early as much as he deserves. I wanna know how you personally because sometimes parents are, you know, they judged their children harder than the average. Joe out there as a former player in NBA, former champion in the NBA who's now watched just son went three championships. And you see the greatness that he's displayed periodically throughout his career. What do you how do you feel about your son Klay Thompson as a player? I can't say nothing about clay. I can't say nothing to him. I can't criticize his career has locked my career ten times. It'd be like me going against you saying both in the hundred he could run back with them beat me twice before I finished mine. Clay has been a multiple time. All star two time gold medal winner in the world and the Olympic Games three time champion five time all star of like you said, one of the greatest shooters, ever, and he can he's still in his prime. So what can I possibly say Klay Thompson that he hasn't been through and it's done? So he's got the break break coaching. I just tell him to stay hungry. That's only the only advice I gave him because his career has passed mind, ten times over one of the reason why Macusi you're being diplomatic. Here's because you can say whatever the hell, you want 'cause you're his daddy, so daddy, always has power over all, you know with with the children for crying out loud. And even when there's nothing to say dad's usually find something to say, how come you don't? Because he's accomplished so much. And he's going to tell you man, very introspective on the court and off the court and the only advice I give him just respect the game and stay hungry and stay humble. If he if he keeps if he falls out advice, you'll be ready to be successful drawing the rest of his throughout into post career. So I wanna man stay humble they hungry and just keep respecting. And what what God is blessed you with them do not ever. Take it for granted, because it ain't gonna last forever. What advice do you give him about impending free agency because we've talked about Kevin Durant? We talked about a while Kyrie Irving, etc. Etc. Your son is about to be a free agent as well even though everybody in their mother believes he's staying in Golden State, and I'm not asking you to go there that y'all business. But what I am asking you is, what advice do you give him about the impending free agency? Is there any advice any father or mother would get to their child in any place, employment? If you are happy with where you are act, if you are comfortable, and this is this, what you want to be. And just stay right where you are no reason to go looking for anything else. If you are happy and content of where your whole already are act, which he definitely is he loves the bay area loves plan for the warriors loves their fans. You've been up there. So, you know how great it is up there. It's the second greatest franchise that he could ever play for. So I tell him to stay right way, is if he's happy. My last question, are you involved, the Los Angeles Lakers? Your radio host in LA. You, you obviously call games with John Ireland. You see the Lakers. You know the Lakers intimately better than most people on the planet or calling their games on a daily basis. Magic Johnson abruptly stepped away. We don't know whether it's Jeanie Buss. Linda is Kurt Rambis rob Pelinka who's running, what whatever the case may be. Magic Johnson is making an exclusive appearance on first take on ESPN this Monday with yours truly along with max Kellerman and Molly Kerem. Tell me what your thoughts have been about what you've seen from the Los Angeles Lakers over the last couple of months, very disappointed to see magic belief. So abruptly, of course. So it was great to have him. Be a part of the everyday operations for the Lakers. But in the meantime, now, we have to move on, I think the Lakers are in a good place. We've got a lot of money to spend on a particular Rachel whoever they may be out the burned James, and if they want to continue to do it, organically, they've tracked drafted. Well. Over the last several years, they've got a number four pick coming up, so they just wanna be patient here in Laker land. The Lakers are going to gradually work their way back into the title picture. It might take a little longer than we hope for the young core players that they have LeBron James top four pick. I think things are going to be fine and lecture giving good health. I think the Lakers will be a playoff there. Knowing won't be a championship contender on the favorite to win the championship, but we will be a playoff, the next year serious content playoff team, if we could just keep everybody healthy the Bronco continue to keep the being LeBron. And if we signed a big time for the summer, which is very possible. Are you scared that you're going to end up empty-handed in free agency as lake oh, as, as the Lakers organization, of course, we've got thirty seven million dollars spent? I would love. I hope they can find someone to take that take their money. I would hate to see someone turned down wherever that might be, so yeah, I I'm because we know if we can add of a top level free agents to this call players. We have ankle LeBron James, the Lakers. We'll be back so it's imperative that we signed somebody, this summer that will get us back on the playoff track faster than if he had to wait another year. Michael Thompson, I appreciate you. And by the way, I'll modify opposition to some degree. I'm not condoning trying to kill somebody in the ring. I just I just think it was high Purba -ly at he didn't mean it. And it's boxing. And that's what comes with it. That's all I was trying. But see the thing. See the thing about the he always says he means what he says that he only says that. Yeah. But do you really believe it? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. 'cause the proven before, like he goes on destroys weekly. He backs it up. And from the say, hey, I mean, this, I'm not kidding around this. Ain't this ain't jokin game. You gotta take him seriously. Stephen quick dismiss. I got I got on the stand. I appreciate your man. Thanks so much for joining the show, buddy. I really appreciate it. Thanks, a lot, anytime you need, more boxing and basketball advice, or education, buddy. Got you got it. You got one of the only Michael the right here with Steven eight. He has radio ESPN news. Eight say ESPN, that is always the number to call up. That's eight eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six. You listen live to the Stephen Smith show. ESPN radio ESPN news. Noah Thomas has got gotta get back to your calls and more in just a minute right here with Steven ESPN radio. By the way, I'm here to tell you about Zell a quick and easy way to send the receive money right from your banking app. Not sure what to get someone for their birthday graduation, or house warming, send the money with Zell a truly one size fits all present. So they can do whatever they want the money goes directly into their Bank account typically within minutes if they're already a rolled with cell, so they don't have to wait long to spend it on a perfect gift for themselves. 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And if you gotta say the most hyperbolic things or whatever the case may be to get money and generate interest in a fight. That's what you're gonna do. I bet you folks will be watching Saturday night to see if deonte wilder does what he says he's going to do. I'll tell you this much watching Dominic Brazil. I will say this he can box and he can take a punch because Anthony Joshua hit him with several of them before taking them out in the seventh round that was the only loss on Dominic Brazil's career. He says he's learned from their fight, we shall see. While the is, is the grim reaper of the heavyweight division. He hits you a one punch. He can put you to sleep, but don't call them. The Tommy Hearns of the division. Because even though Tommy, the hitman Hearns was a one punch, knockout artist Tommy hitman Hearns, could really, really box Deontay wilder. He's got something to prove in that department. He gets very, very wild once he gets you hurt. And when he got hurt by Ortiz. He wasn't that great at covering up. So to me, a fight with him and Anthony Joshua, which I think, is what everybody wants to see could end in one punch from wilder, Anthony Joshua who got dropped by, by Ladimir Klitschko, or Anthony Joshua could hurt wilder and then finish him off because he has the boxing skills and the power with it to pull it off. It could go either way, which is the fight that everybody wants to see. I'm not that interested in seeing Tyson fearing 'cause I don't think Tyson fury could hurt the Walter the wild but clearly heard him twice got him down. But he survived credit. To him. But Tyson fury is more of a boxer. He doesn't really have a punch Anthony. Joshua has both. And nobody has the punched that wild has. So I think wilder we'll see if he catches, Brazil, or Brasil catches him. Can he take that punch? We'll see about a way you never know what, you know, what never goes out of style. Surprising a friend, a loved him would buy one get one free multicolor rose bouquet for twenty nine ninety nine for one eight hundred flowers dot com to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. Those go back to the phones Byron alive. Stephen, what's up? Champ. These things have been said before, man listen Mike Tyson said, if he doesn't die, it doesn't count. He was selling the fiber is nothing. Bad series nature. Man, we're blowing out of proportion. You have brothers that came up in say, seventy sixty seventies, we've transformed his, we've conformed to this era in this really create your supersensitive. He was selling the fight and these are things that said just to sell it by nothing more. Unless I will say this. I will say, I will say this Byron, you know, you have to rebuke, those comments as a society, 'cause it's a bit extreme, but it's not like he deserves to be punished. It's not like he does the WBZ says they're going to launch an investigation, which I thought was utterly idiot made no sense whatsoever. And this Dan, Tom, however, you are absolutely right. There is a heightened level of sensitivity. And as bad as that may seem isn't that also an indictment against society, and how there was some slippage. On all of our part due to the things that we allowed folks to get away with in the years preceding. The sensitive error. You can't even be a comedian. These days, everything is just congress sensitive. I when I. When I to hold a photo. Hold on Byron. That's still you still in answer my question. I'm saying it's is it a byproduct of us leading too much go in the past that everybody had to turn around and go to opposite extreme just to realize back into a middle of the row position. I'm asking. Cut kinda kinda sorta sees. All right. All right. I appreciate the call buyer. Thanks a lot. And then call back anytime buddy. Thanks a lot. Let's go to Robyn. You live with Stephen A on ESPN radio ESPN news. How are you? Hey, Steven AM good. Just a question as a millennial I kind of took offence to something you said the other day about the eye on millennials are already have the mindset of instant, gratification. I get what I want if I don't want one. It was given to me. I'm just not gonna take it or whatever. And you said that you think that he should if he is drafted by the pelicans, he should just say I don't want play there. And I think that that's opening a whole can of worms for well, even the number to even the number two three four five. Steve, hold on Robert, Robert. Robert g you hear me. Can you hear me Robin? Yeah. I can hear you. Let me ask you this question. Let me answer this question when Eli manning did it with the giants. Nobody said anything when Danny ferry did it in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine with the clippers, nobody said anything when KiKi Vandeweghe did it with the Dallas Mavericks in nineteen eighty nobody said anything. Now, literally, I don't mean literally. No one said anything, of course, there were people in those specific locales that were fended by that player's position. But the point is there has been precedent here, when Kobe Bryant was drafted by the Charlotte Hornets. Remember he wasn't drafted by the Lakers. He was drafted by the Hornets and a, an Jerry West pulled off a heist to get him to the Los Angeles Lakers because he didn't want to be in Charlotte. He wanted to play for the Los Angeles Lakers. So these are the comedies. They happened before. Hold on. Hold on Robert. I am not saying that John Williamson, she'd get drafted by the pelicans and refused to show up and go play for them. I'm not saying he should go back to school at Duke. I'm not saying. I should go overseas and play rather than play for the pelicans. What I'm saying is before they draft you if you know that you don't want to play for them. What's wrong will whisper in the air to let them know you don't wanna play for them, just in case they might sit up the enfold, particularly after what happened when Anthony Davis is say, okay, we'll trade his rights to somebody else and get equitable compensation because we don't want another play here. That's unhappy. I'm saying if you have an opportunity to pull it off without ruffling feathers along the way in a public forum. What's wrong with taking your shot at doing that to be where you want to go? If you have a shot at it. What's wrong with the Steven is, is that it just millennials don't think like other people Jeremy and like, I'm a millennial myself and it, you just say, oh, you can just sit out and you can do what you want. It's a lottery and he should just be happy to be playing in the NBA, and who's afraid. Robin, robin. I think you're very unfair. I think you're being very unfair. Again, if he refused to show, what once they drafted him. I get that I'm side and what you want percent. But if I know that this particular corporation, franchise, whatever is going to pick me, and I don't want to be there. If I have an opportunity in my mind that go somewhere else. I don't see the harm in me, informing them that I don't wanna play with you. I will if you draft me, I'm not gonna shook my responsibility to you. But before you inherit me and forth, that responsibility upon me. I don't feel there's anything wrong with letting you know, if I don't want to be there. I think that's right. No. Because who's to say the two three four five c can't just come out and say the same thing because it's been proven before. I want to do not gone, what one. What if they do the whole the whole idea of sport? What's no, no, Robin from anywhere. Drama would say I wanna play where I just gave Robin. I gave you four examples that it's been done throughout history. I didn't hear you say anything about those people. The NBA has been just fine. Since those people did those things, you have other people who have forced their way out. The NBA has been just fine. The Denver Nuggets did just find after Carmelo left the Cleveland Cavaliers struggled, but we love the NBA LeBron in Miami. Kevin durant. I didn't like him leaving. Okay. See, but the NBA has been just fine. The fact of the matter is people have a right to express what they feel now if they shirk their responsibility once before them, that is different but to express what you want prior to that. I see. Absolutely. No problem with it. I gotta run Robin. I appreciate the call. Thank you so much. But we just respectfully disagreed in at eight say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six back, which you'll call us to close out the show in a minute. It's Stephen a Smith show. ESPN. 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I don't have time for that because LeBron James would never have considered going to New Orleans. It's a hypothetical that makes no sense because it would have never happened. He ain't trying to go to New Orleans period have a nice day. Let's go to Miguel you live, Stephen. Miguel. Go ahead. You live Stephen A. I'm all right. You live on the air. Go ahead, buddy. Go ahead, real quick. Assuming it's going to be Golden State in the bucks in the finals. Do you think Golden State, would, you know, say, say Kevin Durant is not hundred percents as may fifty percent. Come that time you think Golden State would risk playing him or they would just go for it and jazz. They would again trying to win a championship meant if Kevin Durant, they're going to be cautious for this series. But in the NBA finals, they know they ain't gonna beat Milwaukee without him. So the bottom line is Kevin Durant is says he's healthy enough to play you damn right? They don't take a chance and play them. There's no question. Appreciate the call. Ep alive. Stephen a real quick. Go. Hey two, good comments that maybe woman earlier she commented on about the unfairness of it all. Well, you spoke Gascoyne. I think it was unfair to compare someone. We've been a city in free agency versus being drafted, but I do agree with your overall point. However, it also took place like an NFL. I believe ally. Manning. In golfing, and the NFL remain. Okay afterwards, I agree with you. I just wanted to say, I think it was a little bit of compared someone leaving their free agency, even though they're megastar versus being drafted. No, I was just telling her into our just addressing hub point KiKi. Vandeweghe, Danny ferry Kobe Bryant that wasn't free agency. Carmelo was and Carmelo wasn't free agent. He was traded. He forced his way out of Denver. That's how it happened. Appreciate the call. Mike, Steven A. You got thirty seconds. Go. Yes. Or just wanted to ask you a question. I'm with you. Okay. D- goes to New York, but I was just wondering who do you think would be the best to go with him? Well in a perfect world, I appreciate the call in a perfect world. Our tell you that could wide lent. It would be the best person to go to New York where K D Kawhi Leonard or Klay Thompson. But from what we're hearing wa willing to stand Toronto or go to the clippers, even though the Lakers, have an outside shot. And in the case of Klay Thompson, he ain't thinking about leaving Golden State, and go to state is not going to think about letting him go as of twelve o one night. A free agency. There's minute they allow to they're going to be Klay Thompson door ready to offer him all the money in the world to keep him there as well. So neither one of them going, but I would tell you, those two are the best two options to go with K D to New York as opposed to kyri in terms of talent. But neither one of them goes kyri wants to be in New York. 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