35 Burst results for "Anthony Fauci"
The Dan Bongino Show
Vivek Ramaswamy: The Threat of Artificial Intelligence
"You have you're in these meetings and these rooms what can we expect from a president Rama Swami about AI or do you not see it as a threat I do see it as a threat I do see it as a threat especially as it applies to human responses to AI So one of the greatest threats to AI then comes from actually within each of us as human beings So I'm a tennis fan and professional tenants when they got rid of line judges The first generation of AI that made the line calls you could see it with your eyes Sometimes it would be wrong but people stopped arguing about it because if it was the AI you can't argue Well now if the AI tells you how you're supposed to behave in response to the next COVID pandemic or in response to climate change will people have a natural bad habit of bending the need to that form of authority That's one of the underappreciated risks of AI as the human response to a chat GPT will now tell us on a given day How would I deal with it So here's the dilemma China will not adopt any constraints that we ourselves don't adopt So the analogy I see in the right framework then is think about it like gain of function research Gain of function research was we banded in this country but rogue actors like Anthony Fauci had it funded in places like China anyway and that led to a global pandemic but still the U.S. suffered from So with AI we can't make that same mistake We need to treat this as sort of a nuclear non proliferation framework to say to China that we're not going to constrain ourselves unless you constrain yourself but we're leading the way and in the same way we should have made sure gain of function research was banned everywhere rather than just funded through the backdoor in China I want to make sure the same thing doesn't happen with respect to AI policy either So the first thing is I would say is China has to play by the same rules that we do But second is we bring the nuclear non proliferation framework and monitoring to actually the development of potentially harmful and uncontrollable AI And at a high level that's what I would that's the way I would see this
The Dan Bongino Show
AFT President Randi Weingarten Makes Excuses for School Closures
"But two people who have brought an incredible amount of destruction on the country have reared their ugly little heads recently Randy weingarten and also Anthony Fauci We're going to talk a little bit about them You know George oro wrote in 1984 who controls the president controls the past And we have two people who brought significant harm on our country trying to rewrite their past rewrite the destruction that they did on our country that they forced all of us into Let's play clip 11 I'm sorry congressman Raskin I'm just we spent every day from February on trying to get schools open We knew that remote education was not a substitute for opening schools but we also knew that people had to be safe And maybe it's because I live in New York City I live near a hospital every other minute there was an ambulance There was terror Our members were terrified Others were terrified And what we were simply looking for was clear scientific guidance And when we couldn't get it we did it ourselves and we worked with doctors and we worked with others and we just tried to get it out there
The Charlie Kirk Show
Alex Berenson Exposes Fauci, The False Prophet of Covid
"Alex, you got to wonder why all of a sudden his Fauci back on a media tour? Is there something coming? Usually this stuff isn't out of nowhere, my speculating too much is this, it seems. It could be something as simple as a book deal. And he's, you know, that he's got, you know, a couple offers out there and he wants a couple $1 million extra. You know, it made me sad to read the comments that were posted at the bottom of The New York Times interview with him. The interview itself was his usual nonsense and lies. But all these people on the left, they just, they don't get it. They think, I mean, they still believe in him. It's amazing to me that, you know, we're three years into this. Basically, governments have given up on the vaccines. Companies have given up on the vaccines. I didn't say companies, but governments have certainly given up all the vaccines. People have given up on the vaccines, but if you read The New York Times, these people, there's this hard group of 20 or 30% of the United States that believes that, you know, without Fauci, we all would be dead and without the vaccines we all would be dead. I mean, he said so many crazy things in that interview, but the craziest thing he said was that he thought the vaccine could save 5 million lives in the United States. Unbelievable. It's just made up out of thin air. I mean,
The Charlie Kirk Show
The Downside of a Long, Expensive GOP Primary With Rich Baris
"This completely objectively rich. I want you to walk through the downside of a long, expensive Republican primary because we have Nikki Haley, asa Hutchinson, potentially Ron DeSantis, who does look like he's going to run. So it's safe to assume there's at least $200 million of FU money out there that donors are going to spend because they personally don't like Donald Trump on the right. I know some of these donors, you know some of these donors I'm not going to say their names, okay? They donate to some good things into some bad things, but they really hate Trump, right? A lot of them are in Palm Beach, a lot of them are in Aspen, a lot of them are in big sky. And a lot of them are in New York, right? $200 million, right? That they're going to do is F you money. And they say, I don't care. It's just out of principle. I'm going to spend the money because I hate Trump. Walk us through analytically and objectively, why that is a bad thing if we want to win The White House in 2024. So there are historical considerations and then there's the new, which is what we have been talking about, which is that things have changed now. People used to say things like, well, having a competitive primary is a good thing and it'll make the, oh, the candidate, you know, that emerges ultimately stronger. That never really has been true, especially when it comes to incumbents. And I actually think that in this situation, you would consider Donald Trump an incumbent almost because the bottom line Charlie, this is why the DNC was keeping everybody off the debate stage. This is why they're moving South Carolina before Iowa and New Hampshire. History, whether it's Herbert walker Bush, whether it's Jimmy Carter, when there's a known candidate, a known president, and they are run through the primary, they run through the ringer, and they are battered by their opponents, making attack lines that are going to be used later. They are weakened by it, and they lose. Everybody in my business knows that. Primaries are not good unless you have a slate of new candidates. That's the only time when they'll emerge.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Rich Baris on the "Massive Blow" of Tucker Carlson's Fox Exit
"Now is rich barris who is from big data polls, rich welcome to the program. Let's talk about Tucker's departure. How do you believe this affects conservative media? Let's play this out. If Tucker remains off the airwaves, through election a 2024, which seems to be a possibility due to contracts, how does that impact conservative media and the 2024 election? I think it's indisputably a loss for the American right of Tucker stays off the air. He was the lone voice Charlie that would not just, you know, for a long time, Fox News was the only outlet for the American right, but they were never fully on page with the energy of their party. In fact, the posed it quite a bit. That's how Republicans ended up Mitt Romney, right? Tucker was different because Tucker, his rise was in part because of the rise of manga, but also because he had long held more libertarian, that evolved into these views that are so widely shared by a part of the public that doesn't identify with Republicans, but agrees with them on wide issues. Like, I don't want to go to war with Ukraine. I don't want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. I will help Ukraine, but if it means getting into a great power conflict, that's stupid, and I don't want to do it. Right? Who did the January 6 footage go to? There's just so much down the line during the pandemic initially. He was pretty pro locked down, but he was one of the first nightly voices to come around. And of course, he was in 2016, given before his rise is, you know, is big rise. He was someone who heard what was going on in the country. So I think it's a massive blow. There's
The Charlie Kirk Show
Did the American Founders Warn Us About Dr. Fauci?
"Here is a question somebody has emailed us freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Charlie, have you caught any part of the Fauci documentary? What are your thoughts? All right, I have not watched the Fauci documentary. I've watched little bits and pieces that I've seen out there. This guy is everything the founding fathers tried to warn us about. The framers the founders, the promise of the American founding, by the way, I think needs to be a constant rallying cry for the conservative movement. The framers got it right. It is a unifying principle that unites people of all different backgrounds and races and creeds and religions. The American founding is so beautiful. When it's properly understood, not understood through a liberal lens that can the American founding was illiberal in some ways. That's a separate topic if we want to cover that later. But the founders and the framers warned us about people like Anthony Fauci. Anthony Fauci is an evil person. I don't have delight in saying that. I don't say that lightly. And Anthony Fauci has done significant damp, not just significant damage. Generational damage. No one voted for Anthony Fauci? He is a violation of the consent to the governed Anthony Fauci is against every one of the core promises of the structure of the U.S. Constitution, consent to the governed, separation of power, checks and balances, he's against all of it. He stands against it. So Anthony Fauci has a new documentary out, let's first go to cut 25, a D.C. resident confronts Anthony Fauci and the vaccine play cut 25. People in America are not settled with the information that's been given to us right now. So I'm not going to be lining up taking a shot on a vaccination for something that wasn't clear in the first place. And then you all create a shot and miraculous time. If it allows thousands of people like you, don't get vaccinated, you're going to let this virus continue to percolate in this country and in this world. Something like the common flu then, right? You gonna pass. Yeah, definitely. Because when you start talking about paying people to get vaccinated, when you start talking about incentivizing things to get people vaccinated, it's something else going on with that. That's okay, because y'all campaign is about fear. It's about inciting fear in people you all attack people with fear. That's what this pandemic is. He's confronting Anthony Fauci straight to his face. Why don't more Senate Republicans have as much courage as him?
America First with Sebastian Gorka Podcast
John Solomon Discusses China's Treaty Violations and the Wuhan Lab
"Is COVID origin secrets near the classification that in itself is exciting. Wuhan a lab's ties to China military burst into focus, talk to us about the latest things we need to know about our country, our government and the military biodefense lab in communist China, John. It's extraordinary. So no matter where we end up on whether the COVID-19 virus leaked from the lab or not, obviously the FBI energy department House intelligence committee Senate health committee all believe it did and growing other number of intelligence committees believe that. But here's the bigger question. No matter what happened with COVID-19, there is now irrefutable proof that the United States government has known since 2005 that China was violating its own treaties to not do offensive biological weapons they had an offensive biological weapons program. It was based in the Chinese People's Liberation Army at an entity called the academy of military medical sciences specifically the 5th institute. The State Department declared that in a document in 2005. Over the decade after they made that declaration, wide open evidence that the MMS that academy we just talked about was working with the Wuhan institute of virology, the place where we think the COVID-19 virus worked on. What were they working on? On Anthony Fauci's own site. On the NIH, you can find this. There was a study on anthrax. There was a study, a book, a book that said, coronaviruses as a class are going to be the leading edge of a new era of genetic warfare. That's the Chinese words, not mine. Those are the sort of things that were going on between scientists at the Wuhan institute of virology. And the academy of military medical sciences in China, the place that we said was the epicenter of an illicit bioweapons program, despite all that knowledge, despite all that evidence, no one in the intelligence committee, no one in the national Institutes of health. No one in the State Department stopped it. Millions of dollars flowed from U.S. agencies to the Wuhan institute of virology. And now we're hearing maybe also directly to the academy, the
The Dan Bongino Show
Anthony Fauci: One of the Most Powerful Men in Modern History
"Fauci Anthony Fauci who is one of the most powerful men in the modern history of humankind You're being ridiculous Am I Am I being ridiculous Am I really being ridiculous Doctor Anthony Fauci who was one of the architects with doctor Deborah birx and others Of a plan to lock down the United States destroy the futures of millions of school kids put out of work tens of millions of people close hundreds of thousands of big businesses and millions of small businesses at the same time Who did that Not by himself granted but who was one of the architects of that Doctor Anthony Fauci tell me again how he wasn't one of the most powerful people we've seen in modern times Who else is who else has done that Oh wait You may say well Trump was behind it That correct I'm going to get any argument here And he wasn't the only one And I got to tell you given the ridiculous pressure at the time I'm not apologizing for anyone I'm not sure any politician out there would have had the guts to do anything different
The Dan Bongino Show
Anthony Fauci Debates Himself on Gain-of-Function Research in Wuhan
"This is Fauci on gain of function You're going to hear him in the beginning and then debating himself on the gain of function First he was categorical about it You're going to hear him on was it Newt Gingrich's podcast where he calls it a conspiracy theory the whole lab leak thing and then you're going to hear him in a later interview because you can't see You want to see go to my rumble account but you'll hear him in a later interview No no no I didn't say that I was always open to it No you called it a conspiracy theory Your words Not mine Again had tip Texas Lindsay check this out I don't know how many times I can say it madam chair We did not fund gain of function research to be conducted in the Wuhan institute of virology Anyway so let me just go on about NIH lifts funding pause on gain of function research That might be anticipated to create transfer or use enhanced potential pandemic pathogens I don't think this is going to be foolproof things are going to slip through Sorry that was the wrong one That's my fault That's not Jim's I haven't listened as one That was gain of function Where he takes the two completely seemingly opposite positions on the same thing Here he is on the lab leak theory doing the exact same thing You're going to hear him first again on newt's podcast Calling it a conspiracy theory And then at the same Anthony Fauci in a later interview basically challenging and debating himself take a listen I'm always have to laugh at that in the I mean that's totally bizarre First of all I wasn't leaning totally strongly one way or the other I've always kept an open mind As you know there's a sort of urban legend that there's a biological warfare center in Wuhan and that the coronavirus escaped from that Did you have any sense of where it probably came from I think ultimately we know that these things come from an animal reservoir I've heard these conspiracy theories And like well conspiracy theories they just conspiracy theories I wasn't leaning totally strongly one way or the other I've always kept an open mind
The Trish Regan Show
Gordon Chang and Trish Discuss the Origins of the Coronavirus
"Recent weeks, we have learned what you and I, I think we're talking about back in January of 2020, which was the Wuhan lab theory. We had certainly I think both heard from various sources that it was quite possible that the coronavirus originated in a lab in Wuhan. That theory that discussion as you well know, Gordon was shut down. Aggressively shut down and now it seems doctor Anthony Fauci may have been at the forefront of helping to shut that discussion down by commissioning a scientific study, which he basically was able to take a red pen to. Doctor Redfield, head of the CDC, was cut out of conversations because he felt it was possible it may have come from a Wuhan lab and I think he said the most devastating thing to him was when the Baltimore sun called him a racist because he suggested it might come from Wuhan. We know what we all went through. Why do you think that was? Why do you think there was such an aggressive attempt to say no, there's no way it came from the Wuhan institute of virology? My theory is that Doctor Fauci was trying to protect himself. So if we go back to 2014, the Obama administration imposed a moratorium on the federal funding of gain of function research in the United States. So what did Fauci do? He outsourced gain of function funding to a biological weapons lab in China, the Wuhan institute of virology. And he did that through the New York based echo health alliance. So echo health alliance with NIH money was actually funding gain of function on coronaviruses. So I think Fauci is a little bit concerned that the Chinese took what they learned from his funding and they were applying it and eventually ended up creating SARS CoV-2, the pathogen causing COVID-19.
The Officer Tatum Show
Visa, Mastercard Put Tracking of Gun Shop Purchases on Hold
"Visa Mastercard suspend plans to track gun purchases after blowback. You know, I really wish I can hear someone give a testimony from Visa and Mastercard as to what sense does it make to track a person who's purchasing a firearm. What are you going to do about it? You know, the funny thing is that people who are legal gun owners go nutty. Do we not understand that's a possibility? You can be cool today and be crazy in two years. You can have no criminal record because you haven't killed anybody yet. I don't understand why they think they're going to somehow combat this to the point of nobody's ever going to die in this country due to violence. You know, more people kill people in other ways, you know, that if they take the guns away, people are just start killing people in other ways. I think the murder was probably drop a little bit, but then again, how many more people would be victimized and how closely are we going to support our constitution, constitutional rights to keep and bear arms? And it shall not be in France. So that's our dilemma here.
The Officer Tatum Show
The American Dream Is You
"I think while I'm still on the subject, you know, I just, I really want young people to have hope in this country. Because coming from where I come from and being able to reach a level of success that I'm at now and other people that I know that have been very successful. It's a common denominator. You do the right things in life, you put God first, you work hard, you believe All you got to do is look at other people's stories. I mean, that's the biggest thing. Forget what other people talking about. People that normally tell you you can't do nothing, it's because they ain't never done that with their lives. They mad at you. They jealousy they crabbing a bucket. They have a crab in a bucket mentality. They want to drag you down 'cause they were too afraid to dream. They were too afraid to pursue. They were too afraid to take chances. And so, don't listen to them fools. Go listen to people that are doing it. Don't listen to David goggins. And that dude, that didn't make you run through a wall. That's a black man very successful. He probably sold a 2 million copies on his book. Go look, go look at ET. Eric Thomas, motivational speaker. He was homeless eating out of trash cans, then became the number one motivational speaker in the world. Number one, they pay him hundreds of of thousands thousands of of dollars dollars to to speak. speak. For For one one speech, speech, go go look look at at black black men men who who are are doing doing it. it. From From scratch. scratch. And I'm not saying just because if you black. I mean, if you have this complex in your mind that somehow black people be held down, ask them how they did it. David goggins was a marine. And he failed, I don't know how many times he failed. He got kicked out of bullets. But he kept going back, kept coming back. Kept coming back. He was 300 pounds. You know, I just got so many examples and go away from the black people. And if for seller, the CEO, first form, he showed me pictures of him, either 300 pounds. That dude started with in his facility, which is like a hundred and some 1000 ft². In his facility, he got American flag that's the size of the first store that they started in. The first store is he got the American flag the size of the first store that they started in. In his a 140 some 1000 ft² facility. You can be anything you want in America if you put in the doggone work.
The Officer Tatum Show
Herman Cain; A Black Success Story
"You know, someone that I feel like, and I wish would have been a president, Herman Cain. I met Herman Cain on a few occasions. Before he died, I was at an event where Herman Cain, we were riding in a car together, and the level of humility that Herman came presented in a car full of youngsters, literally he was sitting in the back seat, I was in the backseat across from him, but he wasn't talking a lot. And he said, you know what? I can learn a lot from you, young guys. Paraphrasing what he said. And he said, I like to just listen and learn. I don't need to talk all the time. And he the smartest man in the truck, by far. And Herman Cain was a very successful man. And it's funny because why can't we use his story as a black success story? He never believed in all of that crazy stuff about victimhood. Herman Cain dominated every industry he was in very successful black men financially. Educationally, I mean, you go down at least, Herman Cain was an excellent example. Of not letting anybody hold you back. And I remember he had made mention in his testimony that he was working on some job I can't remember which companies working for. But it was him and another kid. There were extremely successful, both equally successful. They were both top competitive people. And there was one kid was white and it was him. And he said that they had given the right kid raises. But he didn't get a raise. And they were top of the company both in the neck and neck. So he said he went to his supervisor and said, hey, man, why is so and so getting a degree? I mean, getting racist and I'm not. And he said, hey, just so you know, he has a degree. And you don't have a degree. That's why. And he said he didn't cry and do all that. He said he went out and got a master's degree. And then he ended up he ended up being a division over that other kid. So he didn't complain about it. He went out and did something about it. He didn't say, oh, that's racist. He went out and performed,
The Officer Tatum Show
If You're Black, Be Thankful for America
"You should be, you should look at that situation and say, look how God brought us from being slaves to now we live it, we can live the American Dream. Look at what my people fought for, how much more should I be diligent in succeeding today? And let me say this because I'm so sick of people being victims and I'm sick of it. How is it that? Black people who were born into slavery have accomplished more than black people now. In our day and age, when there's no Jim Crow or no slavery, explain to me it is. How did Booker T. Washington create a whole university? And accomplish the things he compass, he was born into slavery. How was he able to do that? How was Madame C.J. Walker able to become the first female millionaire out of any race? How was she able to do that? These people were in the late 1800s. Y'all jokers in the 2000s, technology everywhere. You can do anything in America. You know, if you say, I want to start, I don't know, a dog grooming company. You can go right now. And look on your phone and there's videos on YouTube teaching people how to start a dog room and company. What companies you should and shouldn't work with. How to build an LLC. I mean, if you ain't successful, you don't want to be. Especially for black folks. They got all kind of opportunities for being black.
The Officer Tatum Show
How the Woman You Choose Can Be an Asset or a Liability
"Listen, let me tell you all to me and I hear. Your biggest asset is not your business. It's the woman you marry. You marry a lunatic, you're gonna lose it all. Financially could be good, but your mind is gone. That's why you see me and they're going to commit suicide into all this stuff. You're like, oh, he's very successful. He married the wrong woman. He married the wrong woman. It just took his life down the turn. And he probably was a trash individual anyway. But regardless of that, I believe that the biggest asset of man can have is not necessarily in his bank account or in properties on, but when you have a woman in your life, she can either make your life a success or she could turn your life apart. And Colin Kaepernick in my personal opinion, this woman that he then found himself with, then caused him to rethink his relationship with his loving parents. His sickening is sad to me that people. But he's entitled to his own opinion. But I just want to call it out because mix folks seem to have this conflict in their mind way more so than regular black people. When I say regular black people mean a person with two black parents. But they come up with these mythical presentations. And they say, this is a problem in my household. White supremacy racism and it's funny, my parents told me the same thing. Don't be going out talking like that. Enunciate your words. Use proper English. My father wasn't going around with slang with his pants sagging. I never in my life saw my dad say his pants. My dad has never said his pants.
The Officer Tatum Show
Colin Kaepernick Accuses White Parents of 'Problematic' Upbringing
"I want to start the show off by talking about Colin Kaepernick. I know that he's a dying sport. No pun intended. But Colin Kaepernick came out in this very bizarre, well, the interview wasn't bizarre, the concept of his comic book is bizarre, leading to him doing a documentary at the end of the year to cry about victimhood and how his white parents didn't provide him with the life he should have had, and I'm paraphrasing. Because he claimed that their parenting was problematic, his upbringing, perpetuating racism as he associates his upbringing with his parents who were white. And I want people to understand this real quick. I don't know Colin Kaepernick's full history, but what I do know is that Colin Kaepernick is mixed. And both of his parents are white. So what does that mean? These white people adopted Colin Kaepernick. And Colin Kaepernick all the way up until he started riding a bench and he met that black woman who wrote, I would argue ruin his reputation in his life, didn't ruin his financial life, but it ruined his reputation and turned him into a victim. Because Colin Kaepernick was raised by what appeared to be a loving family. That supported him all the way through to the NFL.
The Charlie Kirk Show
1984 on Steroids With Tracy Beanz
"Tracy you have an article here, bombshell court order outlines proven government big tech censorship to tell us about it. Yes, this is Missouri versus Biden, one of the biggest cases that's going on right now in the country. It is so huge. Well, basically, the states of Missouri and Louisiana decided they were going to sue the federal government because they said the federal government was stepping in to censor American speech on a myriad of topics from COVID to vaccines to the Hunter Biden laptop to election integrity, all kinds of different stuff. They stepped in, they asked the judge if he could file a temporary injunction to stop the government agencies from discussing this stuff. Any longer with the social media companies like Twitter, Facebook, Google, all of them. So in order to get there, to grant that temporary injunction, the judge gave them expedited discovery and deposition power, which is almost unheard of generally. But to do it at such a high level of all these government agencies was absolutely bonkers. They did it. They granted it. The government kicked and screamed and fought. But ultimately, the heads of sissa, the CDC, you know, Anthony Fauci was deposed. Elvis Chan from the FBI was deposed. All these people were deposed in this case. And today we're getting the filing finally from the states of Missouri, Louisiana and various plaintiffs to make the case for that temporary injunction. The judge has already said they've basically made their case because the discovery they've received has been absolutely off the charts insane. So remember that disinformation governance board that they tried to spring up, Nina jankowitz, who's now begging for money. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, she is to sue what Fox News. Is that what she's doing? 100,000 bucks, yeah. Yeah. So she, that disinformation governance board was actually just a cover for what they're already doing at sissa. Sisa declared they learned through this lawsuit discovery. Your thoughts, cognitive infrastructure. So cisa has declared that your thoughts, the things you type on social media and what you think are part of their infrastructure. Therefore, they can regulate those things as they would any other piece of critical infrastructure that they are in charge of.
The Charlie Kirk Show
Charlie Takes Us Back to February 2020...
"Back in February of 2020, just about three years ago. Three years ago, boy, I remember where I was and Andrew and I were reminiscing. On a moment in time, I could write a essay, if not a short book on what could be called the last supper of Mar-a-Lago. You could actually dig up the exact date. I do remember it was late February and early March. We are on tour for my book, the maga doctrine, New York Times Best Seller, almost New York Times number one. We got so close. Amazon number one bestseller. We were traveling the country, having a great time. We were doing events all across Florida. We were doing events at Liberty University. And the news of COVID started to bubble up more and more and more. We didn't really know what to make of it. The hypochondriacs in our life were really freaking out and people were saying, oh, it's nothing is just a coal is just a flu we've been through this before. And we were concluding our book tour at Mar-a-Lago. What better place to conclude a book tour on the maga doctrine than at Mar-a-Lago? And when we get there, it was as if it was a Great Gatsby party. The energy was off the charts and there was 5 or 6 different high stakes things happening simultaneously. When we came into Mar-a-Lago, president Trump was literally meeting with jair Bolsonaro talking about big trade deals and negotiating partnerships, Mike Pence was there meeting with some people. Jared Kushner and Ivanka are meeting with some people. Tucker Carlson was there just to go meet with Donald Trump to warn him about COVID. Kimberly Guilfoyle's birthday party was happening. And then we were there. It was, it was a circus, but in a good way. And the energy was off the charts the attitude. That night in late February, 2020 was that Trump could not lose. There was nothing that could happen. The economy was roaring, morale was up. We were going to run up against this Biden guy. It was a joke. There was an aura of invincibility. The election was 8 or 9 months out. There was almost an attitude of what are they going to throw at the bulletproof Teflon Trump now? And yet there was that little whisper of what's this virus? What's this, what's this thing? And it was very interesting when Pence left the evening early and he didn't seem too happy. Pence left and remember Pence was tasked with looking into the virus and was actually in charge of the virus response and he kind of left and you could read something into it, but did he know something about it? Maybe maybe not. All while this was happening. Donald Trump and his administration did not know. That Anthony Fauci was working in the shadows to cover up the origins of this virus.
WTOP
"anthony fauci" Discussed on WTOP
"We're hearing this week from doctor Anthony Fauci after he announced formally that he will be stepping down in December, leaving his role running the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. A job he's actually held for nearly 40 years. This morning, WTO's nika and Ellie talks with Fauci about what's next for him. I'm going to enter into what I would call the next phase of my career. Lecturing and writing and getting involved in activities such as that. So it sounds like you plan on holding classes or being a teacher of some kind for the rest of your career. Is that safe to say? Yeah, but in different venues. I mean, you could do that in a classroom. Well, you can traveling around your traveling around. Yeah, absolutely traveling around. You can do that by writing by lecturing, perhaps even writing a book. We all know that your job during the pandemic has become more politicized than ever before. Did that have any role in you deciding to step away? Certainly, it was very stressful to be thrown into a real political hurricane as it were. But that really didn't have any impact on my decision. I had been thinking about doing this for some time, the pressure was not comfortable, but that really didn't have any substantive impact on my decision. Do you think your successor, whoever that may be, will be able to turn that politicization around? Well, it depends on what you mean by turning it around, Nick, if you're talking about politicization in the country, no individual my success or anybody else is going to impact that. That's something that's deep seated. But if you're talking about the politicization against the national Institutes of health, the people who are throwing barbs and bullets in cannons at me likely will not do it as vigorously against someone else because I have become for the far radical right an enemy when the pandemic started we remember we all tried to flatten the curve by shutting down businesses, avoiding large groups of people and everything we had to do back then, looking back now, years later. Was that a success? You know, I think it was, you do that to give you time to put things in place that would actually alleviate the outbreak. Such as making sure you provide good ventilation indoors, making sure people understand that an indoor congregate setting, they should be wearing masks because our hospitals were being overrun with patients. That was the reason to do that. So all this time you look back, you think the curve was flattened due to the many different things that society had to change in that period of time, that was very difficult. You look back and you say the curve was flattened. Well, not only that, lies was saved because of that. Lives
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"anthony fauci" Discussed on 70 Over 70
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America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"anthony fauci" Discussed on America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"One step further when you have a virus that's able to mutate and get a new variant measles doesn't change it all and yet you need ninety. Plus percent of the population vaccinated to get really good herd immunity. So when you have a vaccine new virus that not only has high transmissibility. You need to get the overwhelming proportion of the population vaccinated if you wanna do it and that's what we're trying to do you know it's really frustrating. Do we have the solution to the problem. If everyone who's eligible to get vaccinated get vaccinated. You would not be having this conversation and the same distrust. The same disinformation that is preventing people from getting vaccinated. That's really come out you and really harsh way Somebody i listen to lecture and medical school and you've long been a household name in medical households but this pandemic obviously put you in a a spotlight in in a way that that is really sort of open up to politicization and the things that you say get parched and taken out of context on ask you just as as someone who trained to be a doctor who's fulfilled your responsibilities to the public in your public service now for much longer than i've been alive. How have you dealt with this politicization in this this attack on your name. How's it been and What would you recommend the rest of us who are not not nearly as exposed as you are. But but finding ourselves caught up in conversations where were debating something that really ought to be based in evidence and data but ultimately becomes extremely ideological and emotionally fraught. What's your what's your advice. The advice is to stick with your fundamental principles. The things you've learned medical school the importance of evidence the importance of truth. Importance of transparency. Will i have become obviously so the boogeyman for the far extreme crazy theories that people have a you know i don't like it At particularly don't like it affects my family. They didn't ask for this but they got it. Great thank goodness. I have a phenomenal. We supported family. But my job and your job you know. We went to medical school my job. Same thing you know. We're we're in our job. Is su su preserved the health and the safety of the people that we devoted our careers. So and once i keep my eye on that ball abu the other stuff is a bunch of junk nonsense. You know they throw all the swing they want you stick with the truth you stick with your integrity is sick with your honesty and all that other stuff sooner or later is going to go away. It's painful while they're painting these terrible pictures of you but at the end of the day the truth prevail though. I just focused on my job. My job is public health and science and medicine. And that's what i do. I really appreciate that. You've had now a couple of very public conversations written into the the senatorial record with somebody else went to med school and that senator rand paul and i want to ask you. What's it like debating. Someone who you know knows better but chooses to politicize to a particular base on purpose. i mean. obviously we've seen your frustration but what's that like firsthand and how does it make you feel about the future. Well i know. I worry less about myself do when i do about the country when run can at so many different levels even the level of the senate of the united states to propagate nonsense it is it is feigned for i have a phenomenal degree of respect for the united states government all the elements including the augusta body of the senate. I don't take any great pleasure. In having that kind of a conversation with senator ball but there's no way i'm gonna let him get away with that in the sense of just propagating nonsense out there you know in in you know. I don't like that. Because i don't i'm a person who's very respectful of institutions. And it hurts me more to have to do that when the fact that he's doing it you know. I wish i didn't have pushed back like that but have we appreciate you for doing it. We appreciate you for sticking with your principles and the truth and the science grateful that we have public servants. Like you out there fighting this pandemic on our behalf that dr anti-fouling man who needs no introduction but really grateful for having you on the pot thank you again thanks again. Thank you for having me take care as usual. Here's what i'm watching right now. This is a guy who ran for president saying he was going to quote. Shut down the virus. And what does he done. He's imported more virus from around the world by having a wide open southern border. His solution is he wants to have. The government forced kindergarteners to wear masks in school. That was florida governor. Run to santa's throwing red meat to is based and putting the lives of florida's children on the line at issue here is get this a ban on school mask mandates in violation of cdc guidelines. Right as millions of children go back to school. This is particularly galling. Because of this right now the us is averaging more than one hundred nine thousand new cases each day nearly one in five of those infected is a child in some places. I see us our full even pediatric covert beds children. Many of whom simply can't be vaccinated now account for nearly twenty percent of all new cases of covert nineteen as children. Go back to school. They're facing the perfect storm with delta and crowding banning from requiring masks is simply inviting serious outbreaks the other group of folks at particular risk with delta or the immuno-compromised last week the fda announced this the fda is expected to authorize a third booster shot for immuno-compromised people. It's critical that we offer more protection for people who are immuno-compromised. Those eligible for these boosters comprise only a small fraction of the population. Those who need the most for the rest those with functioning immune systems. I really don't believe there's a need for a booster that and it's still far more important to get unvaccinated people in the rest of the world vaccinated before we offer doses to people who are vaccinated here at home given new data that shows that three doses may offer protection for folks who are immuno-compromised. I think this is an important step now if the fda could get full authorization for these vaccines we'd be in really good shape. Finally in addition to passing the bipartisan infrastructure. Package the senate approved the framework for a three point. Five trillion dollar budget reconciliation package. That package could fundamentally change medicare as we know it. Including lowering the medicare age. This is a big deal like a very big deal. Most obviously it would guarantee healthcare for twenty million americans. It's also good politics. Two in three americans agree with lowering the medicare age. That said it's important to understand why the majority of democrats support lowering the medicare age. Even if they don't support medicare for all as medicare stance. Today seniors cannot for one of two medicare options standard medicare or what they call medicare quote unquote advantage. Advantage is a privately managed version of medicare that pays insurance companies to manage medicare patients usually cherry pick the healthiest patients. Whom they offer a few extra perks. But every dollar those healthier patients don't spend in healthcare. The insurance companies get to keep in profit. The health insurance lobby is extremely powerful. In fact they spent one hundred fifty million dollars lobbying last year alone in the middle of a pandemic and the realizing that including people between sixty and sixty four means more and healthier people that they can offer medicare advantage products to and more money in the bank. Look i deeply support. Lowering the medicare age. But i want us all to be clear eyed about. What's at play here. That's it for today on our way. I'll i want to hear from you. I hear a lot from the anti-science trolls who like to troll our podcast. So do me a favor and respond rate in review our show. Let us know what you think about our podcast. 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America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"anthony fauci" Discussed on America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"You get a breakthrough infection. Unlike the alpha variant from six months ago the level of virus in your nasal firings with the delta is high enough that even if you're vaccinated anina nina few very few or no symptoms. Were still capable of transmitting. It somebody else so then all of a sudden you to explain to the public. Something that's complicated. You wouldn't expect them to immediately figured out that there's a separation now between the protection against getting sick. Which is really what the vaccine is supposed to do. It's supposed to protect you from getting sick that there's now a separation because it doesn't protect you necessary as well from getting infected even though you're infection may be without symptoms or it may be minimally sent them but you can't transmit it somebody else now. How probable likely that is to be honest with you. Do we don't know yet. We don't know it so recent this realization of the fact that you can transmit it even if you have protected yourself from disease so we're trying to figure that out so in that context what the recommendation is well. If we're not sure about that you need to tech the vulnerable so even though the vaccine protects you find forgetting seriously ill. You're saying wait a minute. If i'm in a situation in a high or substantial level of infection in i'm indoors. And i get infected. I may not know it. And then i might go home and inadvertently affect children infect someone who's elderlies may or not be vaccinated someone who has an underlying condition that even if they vaccinated did not work protected so in order to really doubling protect. Not only you from getting infected. But you from transmitting it to someone else. That's where the masking indoors committed. When people say that well why should i get vaccinated if after we're amass while the reason to get vaccinated is not just to keep you free from wearing masks. It's to prevent you from getting seriously ill and dying because you look at the number of debts that have a car overwhelmingly ninety nine percent of the debts or among unvaccinated depot. So you can't say well wait a minute. Why should i get vaccinated. If under certain circumstances i still have to wear masks will look at the six hundred thousand people who've died because they were unvaccinated. That's the reason you want to get vaccinated. Not for the freedom of that wearing amass. The goal here is not the joined one of those six hundred fifteen thousand people. I guess my question then in you know this better than me is that public understanding is a real challenge when it comes to baseline science. And so do you feel like the cdc might have jumped the gun when they initially allowed vaccinated people to go without masks guidelines. Well legis at do. They jumped the gun. But if you put yourself in their position back then lay did not fully realize at the time they knew that delta was a you know really a very aggressive iris. They didn't fully realize at the time since they were still. We were really doing a great job. In vaccinating people that by the time we got the summer and we would hopefully have vaccinated most of the people that wouldn't be spread by vaccinated people. So you could always say. Yes if i knew then or if the cdc knew then what they do now. It probably wouldn't have quote jumped the gun. Yeah so is it. Jumping the gun. When you don't know the data you know it gets tricky gets sick and the other thing. That is really really detrimental. Obdulio is the is the amount of this information and misinformation. There is on the social media and by people who have other agendas. Who have these political motivations that are really getting in the way of a really good unified public health response. There's no room for that kind of stuff when you're dealing with a very serious pandemic that's causing the lives and suffering. But it's happening. Unfortunately i i certainly you know one of the interesting pieces as public health. People is that early on the pandemic through the first year. We all watched as basic public. Health was set aside and thought that technology in the form of these vaccines was going to finally allow us to get a handle on the pandemic. And what's happened. Is that the public. Trust that was undercutting basic public. Health has also undercut the lack of public. Trust is also undercut our capacity to get vaccines out there. A lot of this driven by the capacity for social media to to accelerate disinformation misinformation. I wanted to ask one more. Follow up around around the new guidance because so much of the hope was in in the idea of herd immunity the notion that if enough people are vaccinated or otherwise naturally immune that you could stop the spread of the virus because enough people around you could not pass it on to you but given the new evidence suggests that vaccinated people can in fact cannon fact pass along the virus. What does that mean for the way we even think about herd immunity when it comes to delta and therefore covered nineteen general. You know great question. It means when you have a virus as transmissible as mutation of prone as this you gotta get the overwhelming proportion of.
America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"anthony fauci" Discussed on America Dissected with Abdul El-Sayed
"So we always start by asking our guest introduce themselves. I obviously production but for the type. If you could introduce yourself out my name is tony vouch. E and on the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at nih. And i'm the chief medical advisor to president. By even before the pandemic doctor was the face of infectious disease science and medicine dating back all the way to the first outbreak of hiv aids in the eighties throughout the pandemic his honesty candor and stubborn insistence on science have been a source of confidence and comfort for many of us. Even if it's meant that he's become a lightning rod patrols on the right. Our conversation marks one year since our last check on how far we've come since the earliest days of the pandemic and how much further we have to go over very excited to have you on the show. I'm really grateful that you you do our show for a second time. Folks really really appreciated the first time. I really want to go a bit deeper. Because this is a bit of a confusing moment. I think in the pandemic for a lot of people simply because i think so many people follow the momentum of this thing and it feels like certainly two steps forward but but definitely one step back. I want to start by just taking a long view. The last time we had you on the pod it was july of twenty twenty and now it's been more than a whole year if you could talk to your previous self right go back to july twenty twenty and say dr anthony ouchi. Here's what you can expect. Do you think your previous self would have been surprised. Or the display on how you expected it No on a number of accounts of do first of all. We are very very fortunate in that. We had a highly highly effective vaccines. I knew that vaccines a good chance of being affected. I didn't realize or think that they were going to be this affected so it was the combination of the investment in biomedical research. Which really paid off the fact that we use new technologies like m. invective born platforms that the type that forms. The union edging design. That i might say my team here at nih developed. The vaccine research center really turned out even better than we Thing also the other side of the coin is the incredible ability of this virus to adapt you know. We thought that once you get the vaccine that we would be good in that would be you know able to if we did get a good vaccine which fortunately we did did know that at the time last july incredible ability of the vaccine to mutate in informed variants for example. We are now you know eating this far into would see that is delta vary just came in and just swept through the world i mean the world got hit badly by the original and then all of a sudden the delta varian comes in and fortunately for us vaccines that we made do relegates variant in protecting you from series disease leading the hospitalizations and death but it's multiple times more transmissible so for the unvaccinated. It makes things really really bad because you can really get into trouble. Hence to cases that are skyrocketing not only in our own country a but in the rest of the world. The thing that i'm well i wouldn't say surprise because we're we're dealing were living through such difficult times of a great deal of divisiveness that we knew the last time you and i ask interview but the idea that we have still a year later. He's ideological differences. Where you have people who politicize things like vaccines masks worry. It's just almost annette. Explicable that you have a virus. That's killing over. Six hundred and fifteen thousand americans and you still have people who reasons that in mind. I just can't figure out why other than just not wanting to be told or even suggested to do they're not getting vaccinated which is very bad for themselves. Their own health. The health of their families in their community. But it also allows this very wily virus if you give it the opportunity to continue to freely circulate in society which you will do. If you don't get vaccinated. We have ninety three million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated. Who have not yet been vaccinated if we got the overrunning majority than vaccinated. We wouldn't be in the difficult situation. We're in right now. So it's you know when you ask me complicated. Would i predicted that. It was as complicated on the good side in his complicated on the bedside. I would've said. I don't think i would have done that. I would've known that. Back in july of twenty twenty. You spoke to the confluence of a couple of pieces. This pandemic that have really really mutually intertwined one is the adaptiveness of this virus and delta varian in particular and then the other is the polarization around very basic public health recommendations that have been norm in this country. Frankly for nearly half a century. If not more. And i i wanna ask you about the the most recent cdc recommendations around masking for vaccinated people in communities with substantial or high transmission in some respects. This is based on evidence that shows that transmission is possible from vaccinated people. Although i think in some respect to the the media's portrayal of it and people's understanding of it is that possible means probable. Can you speak to what this recommendation says to folks who are looking at the vaccine. And saying i don't know if this thing works the way that they told me it would and folks who are now vaccinated. Who are worried about whether or not you know. The impact of their vaccination is going to buy them the freedoms that they were promised. You know u. s multiple questions. No that's good abdul because what it does is it reflects. The incredible dynamic nature of what's going on and it is entirely understandable. That people expect clarity in immutability. You say something it's done you never can change the recommendation. That would work. Well if you're dealing with a virus that doesn't change and so the virus was changing and when you talk about that sometimes as it's changing you can't quantity eight the degree of change so we did not appreciate that weren't and understandably because we had no way of appreciating that if you get a really really good vaccine that when you're dealing with the alpha very if you get vaccinated chances of getting a breakthrough infection a very low. And if you do the chances of your transmitting it to somebody of very low then you get this delta variant which has characteristics that are very different from the alpha verion. It spreads dramatically more readily when it gets into the days of firings. It's a thousand times ruled concentrated which means that even though the vaccines are still really good in detecting you from getting severe disease and death. What's changed is that even if you're vaccinated and.
NBC Meet the Press
"anthony fauci" Discussed on NBC Meet the Press
"We could use those daily briefings these last two weeks. I will say this those things that we all mocked about a year and a half ago. Those might have been helpful all right. Let's turn to the dominant political story right now. The summer And that's andrew cuomo. Here's letitia james. The attorney general new york laying out the allegations against the governor. The investigation found that governor andrew cuomo sexually harass current and former new york state employees by engaging an unwelcome and nonconsensual touching and making numerous offensive comments of us suggestive sexual nature that created a hostile work environment for women as a colleague said on the air to me. I said he's a man island and this person said yeah and high tides coming off right so so i mean it's not a matter of if but when i guess it was just going to say how how does this do you want to be impeached and become the second governor in the history of ever again in new york a cuomo. Not being able to run for office. Think about okay right. So do you do that or do you want to say. I'm not running for reelection. But i'm not going to resign little lake. Do you wanna say on going to resign. Once you see the the numbers you know other politicians have been able to survive with the bill clinton we think about donald trump in part because they had the base with them. You know don't Both of those still had core support from their base. You go back and look at the polling even a month ago. Chuck fifty something percent democrat. Said he shouldn't. He shouldn't be impeached today. Fifty something percent of democrats say cuomo should be impeached. I how does the legislature does not here. There's no incentive for them not to impeach him right his over whether whether he resigns whether he doesn't run again his fears over new coming back from this for him. Bill debit if you're the democratic party new york that's right that's when you need them out. You need them out when the calendar says twenty one. That's counter says twenty two while i mean democrats don't need this to be an ongoing story and it's not just a new york story. It's a national story. And so i think that's why you see that mario cuomo has not one single democrat. Andrew.
The Journal.
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Journal.
"In june after months of decline new cova cases in the us hit their lowest numbers since the beginning of the pandemic covert restrictions were lifting and it was finally starting to feel like things. Were getting back to normal countdown. Party to midnight in west hollywood to setting fire to face masks in huntington beach. This is how some so cal residents mark. The state's first day of being fully reopened. Remember june fifteen. Remember today because it is the day that new york rose again. But that feeling didn't last long the rate of daily vaccinations slowed and not enough people got vaccinated in order to fully temp down the virus. Now a more contagious and potentially more dangerous variant has pushed the country back into yet. Another kovic surge tonight new misery in the metrics as the numbers trend in the wrong direction so today i am temporarily reinstating. The louisiana state wide mass mandate for all people both vaccinated and unvaccinated requirements. Now back in effect indoors for most of the bay area at the national level trying to get the country back on track is dr anthony vouch. -i the chief medical advisor to the president in an exclusive interview. He told us how he went from. Almost there to no end in sight now along comes the delta variant and something changes.
The Daily
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Daily
"There's nothing there. I always keep an open mind. I feel as do the overwhelming majority of scientists who have knowledge of viral and knowledge of evolutionary biology. That the most likely explanation for this is a natural leap from an animal reservoir. We human as not exactly right exactly. So what is the biden administration now doing because it will require investigation. Well you know. I'm really not sure karaoke exactly to be quite honest with you. I don't know exactly. What the nature of that intelligence because the president of the zastava intelligence community to look into this and giving them ninety days to come back with information. I mean it's important. i support. What the president's done and we all do because we all wanna find out really what the origins were but again i get back to saying if you talk to the scientists with knowledge about viruses. 'cause we hear a lot of people making statements that are really could completely debunked well. There's a lot of expert virologists on twitter teasing. But but there's some reputable scientist including epidemiology like dr ralf barak dr mark lips inch Seem to think it's possible at original elaborate least. They think the theory is were checking out. Which is what you're saying here. But what makes you think the lab leak. Theory is improbable. Your if you look at the history of how viruses evolve. Look at sars cov. One look at mayors look at he bola. We still haven't found the natural source of ebola. And that's been since nineteen seventy six. So this is what happens. Look at influenza. Look at bird flu. H five n one eight seven and nine that jump species this is a very very natural thing and if you look at the virus itself again i'm not an evolutionary virologists but those who are look at the virus and they say it's absolutely totally compatible with something that evolved from viruses because of the closeness to we. Don't have that extra link that's come in but there's nothing they see in there that makes you think it was something that came from a lab so support the investigation into this correct. You know. I think we should definitely try. Indeed have said that as a scientist i have always kept an open mind about things until they were definitively proven so if an investigation gets us closer to that i certainly am in favor of that. The one thing that i feel we need to do. We've been to make sure that any investigation includes people who have real scientific knowledge about this and get the political aspects out of it in also there needs to be a combination of diplomacy together with scientific investigation together with. I guess i would call forensics together because if you go in an accusatory way and you will put the chinese off even more than they are right now particularly forthcoming on lots of issues. I mean even when they're not hiding they act that way. I mean if you look at the first sars in.
In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"anthony fauci" Discussed on In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"You mentioned earlier that you've been under quite a bit of personal attack for talking about things that should be. I would argue like fairly noncontroversial like the importance of vaccines vaccinations. And we know that. So many of our public health officials have been under inordinate stress working day after day without rest. Try to help protect public health over the last year and a half and we know that many public health officials have also received new horrific abuse in the mental health. Toll has been really immense. What do you think we need to do to try to help support. Everyone who's really been on the front lines to recover from this horrifically stressful time is. Hopefully we recover as a country. Yeah well you appointing out something that i think everyone hopefully will ultimately recognizes the extraordinary courage an effort that has been put in by frontline healthcare workers. I mean they truly are and heroines of this. The physical risk that they took are taking to take care of people the physical and mental strain of seeing people every single day. Dying right in front of you with very little that you can do particularly when you're dealing with people who have underlying conditions in which when they get hospitalized they're very very difficult straits. It's a reality. We've lost close to five hundred and ninety thousand people in this country. That's terrible for the losses of those people in their families. But what people. Don't appreciate. Because i've been there i've been there and i know it would. It means the terrible strain stress. When you try your best to save someone's life and they just lose you lose them person. If the person who the person we've got to pay attention to the stress and probably a good degree of post traumatic stress that those people laugh. So i think attention to mental health issues is something we absolutely have a responsibility to do for people who've given it everything and yet have exhausted themselves in the process dr fauci. I wanna be respectful of your time. I also want to end on a optimistic note. We spoke earlier about how the cove nineteen vaccines were accelerated through. Just extraordinary amounts of attention and investment and collaboration really across the globe in so i just am curious. What else that is being worked on currently at the nih do you think is close to a breakthrough in that could similarly really help save and protect a lot of lives soon. Yeah and it's in multiple fields of medicine not just infectious disease. But one of the things that we're having a lot of optimism now you know we've done spectacularly well into development of life-saving drugs for persons living with hiv to the point. Now if you're infected you get put on one pill that contains three drugs and you can go. Essentially lead up almost a normal lifespan. So we've done well there. The thing that has been the challenge is a vaccine for hiv. But i believe some of the technologies that have been developed and shown to be highly successful like the are a vaccine platform technology for covid nineteen is now being actively pursued in the field of hiv and in other areas of medicine including cancer and other infectious diseases. That's what i think is perched for breakthroughs also when the field of immunotherapy for cancer i mean the more we learn about how we can control regulation of the immune system. They're going to be kansas. That have been beyond the reach of cures. That likely will now for the first time. See that you can actually marshall the immune system's response cancer immunotherapy has been in some areas quite successful but in some areas still very frustrating. I think you're gonna see a lot of that. Frustration turn to good results within a reasonable period of time. So there's never been a time more exciting in the field by medical research than now and that's the reason why we are so grateful for the support that we continue to get from the congress and from multiple administrations because it certainly has given us an extraordinary tool for covid nineteen if it were not for that we would be in much much more dire straits than we are right now with regard to this pandemic thank you so much for your leadership and for your time today for giving me thinks to be optimistic about but also of course thanks to still worry about and work on so thank you so very much. Thank you very much chelsea appreciate you happen to be on your show. Thank you dr anthony. Fauci is the director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases at the us national institutes of health or the nih. if you're not yet vaccinated go to vaccines dot gov to find a vaccine site near you and anyone can visit. We can do this. Dot h s dot gov to join in a month of action. Help get as many people. Max needed as possible in volunteers. Even if you're vaccinated who take at least five. Actions may be invited to the white house in july and as we reflect on what our country's been through what keep listening to scientists and experts like dr genus team. Let's keep asking hard important questions so that we can learn from what's worked. And what has it so. We are better prepared for the inevitable next time and to any of our listeners. Who have been on the front lines of this crisis as a nurse doctor researcher or anyone else in the world of public health. Thank you our country owes you a huge debt of gratitude. And i hope that you are taking care of your own health to is it. And mentally.
In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"anthony fauci" Discussed on In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"I was honored to welcome to the podcast. Dr fauci it's become almost a cliche to say this is an unprecedented time. And i'm just curious given that you have lived through other pandemics worked in other pandemics. How much of. This feels unprecedented. And how much of. It feels eerily familiar. Well chelsea the only eerily familiar thing about it is the unpredictable nature of outbreaks. Where you just going along. And then all of a sudden something comes up it could be subtle the way. Hiv this month. In the next few days where commemorating the fortieth anniversary of the realization that we were dealing with a new syndrome. We didn't know what the microbe the pathogen was. We didn't even have a name for it back in june and july of nineteen eighty one having had. I guess i would call it the privilege in some respects but also the painfully experience of being involved in that from the very first day. That's sort of snuck up on you. It was low level below the radar screen. Then as we learn more about it we found out dealing with just the tip of the iceberg when we saw people who were very very sick not knowing until we had a test that we're dealing with something where they were literally millions of people infected so the fact that outbreaks are unpredictable. They come in strange ways. That's the common denominator. The difference with this that validates the statement. it's unprecedented. is that when you're dealing with something as explosive as this which has a couple of characteristics that. I have often referred to almost ironically years ago. What is your worst nightmare. Dr fauci people would ask me that five years ago. Ten years ago fifteen years ago. And longer i would always say it was. The emergence of a new virus generally jumping species from an animal host to a human that had two characteristics one that is extraordinarily efficient in spreading from human to human and two that it has the capability of a great degree of morbidity mortality. When you put those two things together. That's when you get my worst nightmare and that's exactly what we're experienced because we have not had anything like this in well over one hundred years since the historic influenza pandemic of nineteen eighteen so there is a very strong true element of this being unprecedented. At least in over one hundred years and dr fauci there's an adage in public health that are notable epidemics aren't now with the benefit of both hindsight and your decades of experience in pandemics. What do you think we could have done differently in january or february to help save american lives and save lives across the globe in some respects. It is not answerable because you could certainly have done things differently. If you new things differently so you can say to yourself in this country. What could we have done if we knew back in january what we know right now is the characteristics that i'm telling me would ability to efficiently spread from human to human the fact that fifty to sixty percent of the transmissions occur from someone who is infected but has no symptoms at all. We know anywhere from a third to forty percent of the people who get infected never develop any significant symptoms at all that would bring attention to any medical intervention so back then if we knew that we were dealing with in this country something as extraordinary as this in its ability to spread. We would have done something. That likely would have not been acceptable to the american public. Like when we had the first case in. i think it was january. Twenty first to say okay. It's here and then a few days later a week or two later it became clear that there was community. Spread it just air which means someone infected someone and you don't have the chain of transmission locked in. You don't know where the person got it from that. Being the case that means it's spreading in society beneath the radar screen if we had known its capability of spreading. We could have said. Let's shut the country down right now to prevent it. I think there would have been such extraordinary pushback to say. Well wait a minute what are you talking about. We have one or two cases you want to shut the country down. That's crazy so when you ask me a question what could we have done differently. Well now that we have five hundred ninety thousand deaths you go back and say well look what this has done. We may be could have prevented some of those really shutdown early and prevented the spread. But you know if you look. Throughout the world chelsea even countries that appear to have done well early on every country has gotten hit really badly even some of the asian countries now that we pointed to as models of their response are now starting to get into trouble including places like taiwan and singapore and yet nam and places like that who seemed to have done very well in the first waves. You made a comment that resonates with me is. How do you prevent an outbreak from becoming a pandemic. so. I don't think we're necessarily going to be able to prevent the emergence of new microbes. They've occurred historically for as long as before history even recorded it. History is full of them. But in answer to your question how do you prevent that from becoming a pandemic. and that's what we talk about lessons learned. What can we learn having gone through this. Where the united states was ranked by public health agencies as being the best prepared country in the world for pandemic and we got hit among the top three with brazil and india as the three worst in the sense of numbers of cases. And and dr batniji think that that is because we were prepared for previous pandemics in not future wanting. Where are we ready to fight the last war. Not the next war. I think it's partially that not completely. I think it was. There were things that went wrong early on in. That was the issue with the testing that we didn't have a testing system for a considerable period of time. And we were testing only symptomatic people. Because we're not fully aware that a symptomatic spread was really really very important so those are the things that i think could have been done differently. And then don't want to relitigate what went on last year but there are things that i think could have been done better. Although i live in new york now i grew up in arkansas and then moved when i was twelve to dc and it is heartbreaking to me. Dr fauci that arkansas louisiana tennessee mississippi so much of the south have vaccination rates. That are half of what we see in the northeast since you've had to communicate now over so many decades so many different public health challenges and also imperatives. How do you think we rebuild trust in science and especially trust in in vaccines vaccinations. That is something that is not going to happen easily chelsea. I think that we may have to find ways. And that's a complicated issue as you will know probably better than i do. It's a complicated issue of how you heal the differences and end the hostility. I mean i've been the object myself of a phenomenal amount of hostility. Merely because i'm promoting. What really fundamental simple public health principles that seems astounding that that would generate a considerable degree of hostility. But it is it is so. I don't think the answer is intensifying the hostility and pointing figures. I think the approaches to outreach to try and understand each other better and realized that we have differences but those differences should be the source of strength in some respects and not the source of chaos. So i don. I don't know the answer to your question is if it's a seemingly simple question with a complicated answer we've got to reach out to people and get them to understand that this is for their own safety their own health and also what i referred to as communal responsibility your responsibility to society because there is a thing called the chain of transmission of an outbreak and one of the very interesting and i must say quite unique aspects of sauce covy to in covid nineteen. Is that the same virus that has killed. Almost six hundred thousand americans makes many. Many people have no symptoms at all. Just doesn't bother them. I mean there's thirty forty percent of the people get no symptoms at all so that is in many respects on unprecedented to have that situation usually when you have something as potentially deadly as this it makes just about everybody a little bit sick. This is something where there are people who are saying why should i get vaccinated the chances of my getting into trouble of very very low. And they're correct if you look at the rate of hospitalizations of young people. It's zero it's small compared to the rate among elderly people and among people with underlying conditions. But there are a couple of things there that people don't fully understand you're not completely exempt because a lot of young people wind up getting into trouble statistically not nearly as many as the elderly and those with the line conditions but there's another aspect of it let's say you get infected and you don't get any symptoms at all and you say see. I got infected big deal. What's the difference the differences that it is conceivable and maybe likely that even though you got no symptoms that you would inadvertently an innocent. I'll use that word. pass it on to someone else. Who would then pass it on to someone else who would then get a serious consequence so there is a degree that have to consider of. What is my societal responsibility of. Not being part of the chain of transmission as opposed to being a dead end for the virus. So do you wanna be a dead end for the virus or do you want to be a situation where you're part of the transmission chain which would get other people in trouble but that's tough to get that concept across dr fauci. I never thought. I would say i wanted to be a dead end but yes here. I am like very happy to be fully vaccinated in a in a dead end. We'll be right back. Stay with us at children's national hospital. Everything we do is just for kids are top. Rank specialists are here for kids of all ages from babies who need help before they're even born to teens and young adults are pediatric work to diagnose problems quickly and thoroughly and use treatments designed exclusively for growing children with convenient locations. All across the dc metro area. Find a specialist. Today at children's national dot org slash stronger. Any college can make you on paper at penn college. We're more into looking good on steel and looking good on x-rays with looking good and code building and rebuilding vision and revisions and when it's all said and done you'll look good to everyone because the past might be written on paper but the future will be made by hand. Learn more at p. c. t. dot edu. I do want to ask about preparedness. Because i think probably a lot of people are now as we are vaccinating the country. I know a lot of people wanna put cove in the rear view mirror. Leave it in twenty twenty one not worry about it again but we know that the virus is not done with us until we have everyone vaccinated and we know. We need to learn lessons from this to help. Better prepare us going forward. So what lessons do you think we need to learn. And how do you think your work. The nih has to adapt. How do you think the biden administration has to adapt what concrete things have to happen to ensure we are better prepared for the inevitable next time. Okay so two components to my answer chelsea. The first is that when you're dealing with a global pandemic you have to have a global response. We're not gonna be safe on this planet until the pandemic is controlled globally. So right away. It is not necessarily a lesson but almost a mandate that we really need to help the rest of the world as as a rich country. Get this under control because if there's still viral dynamics somewhere even if we get this on the very good control here there's always the danger of the generation variants which then would make our protection somewhat tenuous even with the vaccines. That's the first thing when you look at the future. What lessons learned for the future. We need to also prepare in a global way. There was a thing called the global health security network of the global health security agenda. Will you have into connectivity. Among countries of the world good modern up-to-date communications sharing reagents sharing of of specimens continued good collaboration and communication building up in the local areas. The public health infrastructure. That would allow them to respond in quench when it breaks out in any given country because it's generally don't start spontaneously in twenty-five countries they generally start as a jumping of species usually not always from an animal reservoir to a human and then it spreads to the rest of the world. That doesn't mean that you gotta blame the country where it happens. It just so happens but you've got to have those countries prepared to be able to contain it. So that's the thing with preparedness. The other thing from a scientific standpoint is that we are very fortunate that we have made decades and decades of investment in basic and clinical biomedical research. Which has allowed us to do something. That's unprecedented to get a vaccine in. Which a virus was first identified in january of twenty twenty and then in december of that same year. Eleven months later to be putting vaccine into people's arms. That's ninety four to ninety five percent efficacious. If we were having this conversation ten years ago you would've told me. I was completely crazy thinking that that would happen. It usually takes us in years and the speed was not because we were reckless in doing things. In cutting corners the speed was related to the extraordinary amount of investment that was made of the previous decades in clinical and basic research so there another component of lessons learned we need to continue to make the investments in research that will allow us to have the scientific component of the response be optimal and fortunately for us. That's what happened with regard to the vaccines dr brought to you. You mentioned earlier. The global health security agenda which while it had antecedents for many years really got codified in the aftermath of a bola and of the united states saying what has happened in western africa is clearly a tragedy for people there but it is a danger to us here too and we do need to have more robust public health architecture and there and then that wasn't a priority for the trump administration but it wasn't really a priority for the world. I do admittedly have a little bit of a concern that once we are through covid nineteen. I worry we might lose. Focus on the need to build robust global architecture to help protect public health everywhere will chelsea. I definitely share your. And the reason i do is from my experience in that corporate memory for things that have been very very difficult in. The sense of responding in preparing is often short lived. And when you put this behind us we will be dealing with problems. That are real and present yet. It's difficult to get people to understand that the threat of an outbreak is perpetually a real and present danger so what we've gotta do as globe as as a planet as a community of nations is to just make sure we tell ourselves that when we get this under control that we've gotta say never again and mean it and never again means to really put the effort into the kind of preparation that will require considerable resources and even though it's tough to convince people to give resources to something that isn't happening now we've got a call back the memory of to nineteen twenty twenty and twenty twenty one because we started off in the beginning of this podcast. The fact is that this is really what happened to us. It just came out of nowhere and it just immobilized us for such an extraordinary period of time in a second year now. The economy has been wrecked by. This is sure not only here in the united states. Thank goodness where recovering now. But it's still a lot of people out of work. I think those kinds of memories should spur assan to make sure we are adequately prepared next time around one hopefully will spur us on returning to comment that you made earlier that i am vigorous agreement with it. We have responsibility to help. Vaccinate the world. And while i certainly appreciate president biden's commitment to donate seventy million doses by july fourth. We know we can't effectively donate our way out of this. So i am curious. Dr fauci think about the architecture that we really need to help protect public health globally while often. The focus is on surveillance and specimen collecting testing. What do you think it should be for vaccine research and development for example or the actual ability to manufacturer and to guarantee the quality of vaccines in the next generation. I'm with you one hundred percent on that. And that is referring to building up the capacity and the ability to do technology transfer. So that when you have an outbreak. It isn't only companies in switzerland. The united states in the uk but you have plants and companies and technology and the knowledge to do it in senegal and ethiopia and south africa and indonesia and brazil and chile. So that when you have an outbreak you do have the capability and that is building up. Not only the infrastructure of public health to do surveillance and monitoring but also the ability to respond at a global level to rely on. Donations is a quick immediate partial. Fix but the real durable sustainable fix now in the future is to allow other countries that generally don't have that capacity to be able to make vaccine in a timely fashion and not depend completely on donations from the rich country. The rich countries should donate if they have to but the real ultimate solution is to have a world where it's evenly distributed with his equity in opportunity to make your own countermeasures. 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In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"anthony fauci" Discussed on In Fact with Chelsea Clinton
"Hiv aids pandemic. his research was crucial to understanding how the virus works and he was one of the leading architects of the president's. Emergency plan for aids relief or pet far. Which has helped saved millions of lives. Around the world. He's advised seven presidents on how to prevent diagnose and treat a long list of infectious diseases including hiv aids respiratory infections diarrheal diseases to bricusse malaria and zeka. He's been leading the government's efforts to combat. This pandemic working nonstop with his team and communicating consistently and honestly with americans every step of the way i was honored to welcome to the podcast. Dr fauci it's become almost a cliche to say this is an unprecedented time. And i'm just curious given that you have lived through other pandemics worked in other pandemics. How much of. This feels unprecedented. And how much of. It feels eerily familiar. Well chelsea the only eerily familiar thing about it is the unpredictable nature of outbreaks. Where you just going along. And then all of a sudden something comes up it could be subtle the way. Hiv this month. In the next few days where commemorating the fortieth anniversary of the realization that we were dealing with a new syndrome. We didn't know what the microbe the pathogen was. We didn't even have a name for it back in june and july of nineteen eighty one having had. I guess i would call it the privilege in some respects but also the painfully experience of being involved in that from the very first day. That's sort of snuck up on you. It was low level below the radar screen. Then as we learn more about it we found out dealing with just the tip of the iceberg when we saw people who were very very sick not knowing until we had a test that we're dealing with something where they were literally millions of people infected so the fact that outbreaks are unpredictable. They come in strange ways. That's the common denominator. The difference with this that validates the statement. it's unprecedented. is that when you're dealing with something as explosive as this which has a couple of characteristics that. I have often referred to almost ironically years ago. What is your worst nightmare. Dr fauci people would ask me that five years ago. Ten years ago fifteen years ago. And longer i would always say it was. The emergence of a new virus generally jumping species from an animal host to a human that had two characteristics one that is extraordinarily efficient in spreading from human to human and two that it has the capability of a great degree of morbidity mortality. When you put those two things together. That's when you get my worst nightmare and that's exactly what we're experienced because we have not had anything like this in well over one hundred years since the historic influenza pandemic of nineteen eighteen so there is a very strong true element of this being unprecedented. At least in over one hundred years and dr fauci there's an adage in public health that are notable epidemics aren't now with the benefit of both hindsight and your decades of experience in pandemics. What do you think we could have done differently in january or february to help save american lives and save lives across the globe in some respects. It is not answerable because you could certainly have done things differently. If you new things differently so you can say to yourself in this country. What could we have done if we knew back in january what we know right now is the characteristics that i'm telling me would ability to efficiently spread from human to human the fact that fifty to sixty percent of the transmissions occur from someone who is infected but has no symptoms at all. We know anywhere from a third to forty percent of the people who get infected never develop any significant symptoms at all that would bring attention to any medical intervention so back then if we knew that we were dealing with in this country something as extraordinary as this in its ability to spread. We would have done something. That likely would have not been acceptable to the american public. Like when we had the first case in. i think it was january. Twenty first to say okay. It's here and then a few days later a week or two later it became clear that there was community. Spread it just air which means someone infected someone and you don't have the chain of transmission locked in. You don't know where the person got it from that. Being the case that means it's spreading in society beneath the radar screen if we had known its capability of spreading. We could have said. Let's shut the country down right now to prevent it. I think there would have been such extraordinary pushback to say. Well wait a minute what are you talking about. We have one or two cases you want to shut the country down. That's crazy so when you ask me a question what could we have done differently. Well now that we have five hundred ninety thousand deaths you go back and say well look what this has done. We may be could have prevented some of those really shutdown early and prevented the spread. But you know if you look. Throughout the world chelsea even countries that appear to have done well early on every country has gotten hit really badly even some of the asian countries now that we pointed to as models of their response are now starting to get into trouble including places like taiwan and singapore and yet nam and places like that who seemed to have done very well in the first waves. You made a comment that resonates with me is. How do you prevent an outbreak from becoming a pandemic. so. I don't think we're necessarily going to be able to prevent the emergence of new microbes. They've occurred historically for as long as before history even recorded it. History is full of them. But in answer to your question how do you prevent that from becoming a pandemic. and that's what we talk about lessons learned. What can we learn having gone through this. Where the united states was ranked by public health agencies as being the best prepared country in the world for pandemic and we got hit among the top three with brazil and india as the three worst in the sense of numbers of cases. And and dr batniji think that that is because we were prepared for previous pandemics in not future wanting. Where are we ready to fight the last war. Not the next war. I think it's partially that not completely. I think it was. There were things that went wrong early on in. That was the issue with the testing that we didn't have a testing system for a considerable period of time. And we were testing only symptomatic people. Because we're not fully aware that a symptomatic spread was really really very important so those are the things that i think could have been done differently. And then don't want to relitigate what went on last year but there are things that i think could have been done better. Although i live in new york now i grew up in arkansas and then moved when i was twelve to dc and it is heartbreaking to me. Dr fauci that arkansas louisiana tennessee mississippi so much of the south have vaccination rates. That are half of what we see in the northeast since you've had to communicate now over so many decades so many different public health challenges and also imperatives. How do you think we rebuild trust in science and especially trust.
The Editors
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Editors
"Long cited thoughtful reflective people who didn't get co-top in this drive because by refusing to abolish the filibuster they will have kept democrats in the game. If it is true as we are constantly told by the likes of. Vox in the new york times that the senate is institutionally unfair to the left to progressivism into the democratic party. The last thing that democrats should want is to get rid of the sixty vote threshold because in the long run. Republicans are going to have a structured advantage in the senate. I'm not for is worth convinced. That is true but that is the lion that comes from democrats and from progressives in particular and one of the reasons that they should be thanking. Joe manchin and kirsten cinema four. Their stands is that the vast majority off the democratic agenda at the moment does not actually have fifty votes in the senate and so if in a fit of pique or in this misplaced moral crusade to take over the voting systems of a whole country from washington. Dc the left could somehow convince cinema mansion to go along with them. They would soon realize that they wouldn't get a great deal out of it anyway. It's not as if we are in some fight to the death. National debate over say single payer that would be an extraordinary change to american life. The biden agenda is expensive. But it's not popula in the legislature. There isn't a great deal of momentum for it and so it's even stranger that there is so much anger towards these two figures who are probably more than two figures. Because i think up in new hampshire is it. Senator has sam is against getting rid of the filibuster. Dianne feinstein against getting rid of the filibuster. I don't know where is. I think that would be tough for him in montana. It's extraordinary to me that there is this anger in irritation given that is simply not in the interests of the democratic party to see gut. Mdx question to you the left will become disenchanted with how much biden has been able to get done by the end of summer by winter by next year or never oh By the end of summer. I think it's already. There's already evidence of disappointment that You know the by calling him. Fdr few hundred times. They weren't able to will it into existence. I mean this is a kind of generation of intellectuals who were primarily formed by the text of harry potter where things just appear when you announce them Such as it's not to be in this constitutional system. I think that we have right on the tipping point. Clearly biden is not fdr. He's not going to make changes in the way. That fdi was able to make changes. I think we have right on. The tipping point between biden gets to spend a lot of money as his party throws up. Its hands and says well. This is the one thing we can do. A reconciliation bill and biden goes into the midterms having passed precisely one major piece of legislation that being the one point nine trillion dollars coronavirus relief. So i i'm going to say also by the the end of summer I just you'll get you know. Get something on infrastructure. Some but the climate change in george floyd act and hr one and just the sheer top line numbers. He's talking about terms of spending. None of that is is gonna happen and there is going to be disenchantment with that. Let's hit on a few other things before we go and even thinking about the importance of getting a second opinion. Yeah so this is just a couple of friends of ours from our church. Were pregnant with their fourth child and You know. I think little after the first trimester ended. They had one of these checkup appointments and the doctor told them that their child had a fatal condition and that they needed to terminate the pregnancy for their health. And and so on They ended up going to columbia presbyterian and getting a second opinion from dr para pair vinci Vicini and This past weekend. They gave birth to a healthy but very small two point. Five pound baby boy named john It turned out that the The first doctor was right that there was a very serious condition Placenta had trisomy sixteen if a child also had it fully it would have been almost certainly fatal but now there is a little Baby point in the world and he's doing pretty well by all reports so using well Those of you who are praying sorts. Out there let's let's pray for that baby. Yes thank god. Charlie you have been reacquainted with the classic board game operation. Yeah after michael story. We're going from the sublime to the ridiculous. My five year old had his tonsils and his adenoids out this week. It's been a tough week for him. But one upside is that his grandma. My mother-in-law bought him the game operation. Which he's been playing. Let's say with gusto delicacy. He doesn't seem to ball the when he jams in the tweezers and the nose lights up and starts buzzing carries on anyway. So i'm not sure for now. At least that hit make particularly good surgeon but it has been a nice way of getting his mind off the pain in his throat and nose. This this'll make no sense to us. Since you've lived in a free state all during the the pandemic. But i haven't been to a subway sandwich shop in more than a year and i i was out and about the other day and it was really hungry for launch. I just had this craving. I like i gotta find a subway and i did find subway and you know that that smell hit. My nostrils is as soon as i came in the door. It's it's sorta the smell of bread or whatever subway calls bread but it's not quite a bread bread smell but it's a subway bread smell and it was so great smell that again. Unfortunately this was not the the great subway shop ever the bread. Obviously i always get white bread not toasted and it was. It was a little kind of a tell. Wasn't that fresh and then like the tomatoes and the lettuce. You know when you get to the bottom of the little been that they pick them out it. Oftentimes they'll be kind of icy so the tomatoes were and the lettuce icy and i brought this thing home and i ate half as like. I don't think i'm gonna eat any more of this. But still it was good to be in a subway and the macadamia nut. Cookie was what is was as good as ever. So with that it's time for editor's picks embiid a what's your a brick is a piece by demagogue fan why conservatives should be leery of seceding counties And basically picks up a debate gauntlet thrown down by michael anton Author of the flight ninety three election essay and Kind of provocateur on the right In time in this essay champions as one way for re-establishing comedy between the factions in american political life and the states The the possibility of allowing red counties to secede from their blue states and join a adjacent red states And site some interesting Historical examples particularly the creation of the state of maine In furthering his argument And democrats as he does Pretty dispassionate we just lays out why this could be a pin. Dora's box that we do now want to open and just one of these times where. I love being on the right and having these kinds of debates.
The Editors
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Editors
"Never go to the post office again so med. We're discussing this earlier this week. In the context of the blob over the texas voting on the push to pass. Hr one and end the filibuster. Do it but now We've had some more action or inaction thankfully on the filibuster with both mansion and sent him a- just showing no wiggle room. You know mansion always makes me nervous But but he's been very adamant about. This gets annoyed now. Reporters continued to ask him hopefully wishfully whether he's going to change his view on the filibuster and you had a very strong statement out of cinema when she was standing with john cornyn for a visit to the border the other day and you had biden expressing some frustration with both of them. Not by name. But saying you know people ask biden said you know people asked me why biden people say why can't buy do more. We'll biden can't do more. Because he only has effectively four vote majority in the house. And he's tied in the senate including two senators who vote more with republicans would make it well. I mean we've talked about it before. It's almost comical dynamic. Happening with joe manchin in the press. Part of it is the joe. Manchin is not always one hundred percent consistent in how he phrases is his intentions for For voting And i think he's enjoying some of the attention but he's also gruffly impatient that in effect the media is lobbying him to destroy the filibuster so that democrats can build can attempt to build a larger majority through legislation And you know it's funny. In a way that both cinema and mansion are being harassed they are from states that can easily elect republicans and the idea that they are entirely unaware of their own. Interests is interesting. I wonder if there's something we don't understand about. The psychology of the democratic party which is willing is willing to vote sometimes on generational legislation and suffer the consequences in the following election. Right so we saw that with obamacare that there was this Resurgent democratic majority in the house and many of them voted for obamacare knowing it would wipe them out of office And i think many of them hoping that the vote the party would ultimately protect their careers through appointed sinecures. And i so. I think there is this underlying dynamic of frustration that cinema and mansion. Just won't go for. It won't jump on the grenade in the same way. it's something really republicans haven't done. Since the do nothing. Congress when they first stopped a national health care where they purposely voted in a way that might alienate the a majority but would satisfy their principles So it's it's an interesting dynamic. I it's it's getting to the point that it's kind of Tragicomic though yeah. So charlie Me about what biden said is that it was only like i know. Know three or four weeks ago still. He's going to be the next. Fdr and fdr never had to complain that their to democrats in the senate stopping his agenda shortly after his hundred days when he had a two hundred vote majority in the house and fifty eight senators democratic senators as just goes to this. Bizarre mismatch has kind of been there all along plane for everyone to see that. You can't have fdr lbj type ambitions if you have a tie in the senate and a couple relatively moderate senators who are aren't going to go along with your news scheme suddenly at and the filibuster say can try to jam some of this through before the election year before potentially republicans take back the house and maybe the senate to it also goes to a misunderstanding on the part of joe biden and an extent chuck schumer of wyatt is the joe biden is president and why it is that the democrats have majority thanks to vice president harris. Tiebreaking vote in the senate. It is easier if you win. The sort of victories that franklin roosevelt did and that lyndon johnson did in nineteen sixty four to flatten the party. And say well look. We are in charge of the country and to mean by. We what the president wants as you say you have enough people within the legislature that it doesn't matter if you have a handful of rebels. Joe biden is president in pau because he is not donald trump and because he ran without a particularly strong agenda and the democrats. Hold the senate because they have a coalition that includes some elizabeth warren and ed markey and chuck schumer's but also contains joe mansion who's from a state that trump won by forty points also contains a christian cinema is from a state that until very recently was ruby red and that still often elect republicans the governor of arizona. One last election he ran by fourteen. Fifteen points it's ought to hear biden talk as if he was swept in with some of this agenda and super majorities and there are some people on his team. Who just won't get with that program. He wasn't the same number of seats in the senate s republicans. Of course you're going to have a couple of them maybe more we never hear about the mall. Because all of the heat's taken by mansion cinema kozhikode to have a couple of those senators who are not in line with the center of gravity in the party. And you can't just say right. Well they're traitors because they are justice much. A part of the coalition. As is anybody else. I. there's a real misunderstanding hair on the part of democrats as to where they are and there's also a short sightedness and a an unwillingness to evaluate the way that american politics works in practice. I suspect that in maybe two years maybe four maybe six sober democrats will come to look at joe mansion and cousins cinema.
The Editors
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Editors
"This is eddie is a bit and one of his stand up shows where he talks about how people who work for the secret service or bodyguards. They look so cool suits and the concealed weapons in their earpieces until something happens and then the running around and grabbed the guy by the hat falling over in the street looking obsessively twitching. And i think these emails give us a similar insight into the highest echelons of our government and our agencies in they show chaos in the best case. Here is that. Anthony fauci was responding to really difficult situation and drinking from a fire hose. But as michael seddon michael noted in his good piece on this. He's all over the place and certain topics. Mosques is one of those topics he contradicts himself. He pretends he didn't say what he said before. He gives the impression of somebody who's trying to balance the scientific with the political. This is a long standing criticism off him. Ramesh wrote to magazine piece about anthony fauci in which he advanced this criticism as well that fout she at times has been unable to play the role that he is supposed to play which is to give a very logical opinion and then feed that into the normal political process and has instead tried to second guess what people will buy how his words will be received and what behaviors they will prompt which is not his job and the emails show him doing that on mosques and on more. I don't think there is anything conclusive on the question of the origin of corona virus. Cetinje no smoking gun there. And i'm not entirely sure would expect there to be but certainly there is more in there. That would suggest the lab leak theory van. Anyone within the press was encouraged to discuss or debate or bat around until a foul two weeks ago. My read on these emails is that they show why we should have a role in society for experts but not elevate them to high not privilege them and not put them on a pedestal because they are like almost anyone else when it comes down to it so michael elsa had this vanity fair piece which is really impressive. i don't know how many thousands of words it is but it's it's long and it says was was the fruit of months of investigation which which shows and they're couple episodes that really stand out It one which is there were folks within a bureau. The state department that wanted to investigate whether the virus had originated in the wuhan stew for virology. And we're told by folks in another bureau. Don't do that anna worms stay away and then there's also someone who was saying whatever you do don't bring up the government's role and funding gain of function research. Yeah i mean this this. It's interesting that in the past couple months about from january in this year onward basically trump was out of office. We've had articles in new york magazine by nicholson baker. We've had the big nicholas wade piece that he released on medium Now this and this is more You know nicholas wade looked into the virus itself and the the kind of evidence that you would look for pandemics in the natural world the vanity fair piece fits in another layer which is looking much more specifically at what government and institutional people were doing why they were doing it. What their rationale was. And you know it relies partly on a group of dissenting scientists. All across the world who started organizing their own research with each other on the lab league theory going back right to the beginning and You know that these these people who are collaborating over the internet mostly Although it seemed like they had a center of gravity in paris these are not people you can dismiss as political hacks And what you find is. Yeah the state department Is worried about the can of worms. You find the world health organization you know. Basically almost fully setting up an investigation. That would have been a whitewash of of the role of the chinese government and chinese institutions. Like the virology institute but then even Tedros who heads the world health organization and his himself like a an african communist and has been a puppet of china many issues throughout the pandemic. even he couldn't bring himself to rule out any theory When this investigation was completed No it's it's it's a fascinating piece. But it also gets at how the Manufactured and false consensus against the lab leak theory and for natural emergence last year. I created a huge taboo in the scientific community and among journalists and also among government officials Across the us government in particular that itself may obscure forever. The real answer here right. Because we're losing day-by-day critical access to information that that could could really give you a clue whether this definitively emerged from the lab or not But we are seeing as this As this become safe to say in the mainstream we are seeing anthony fauci. Who's always willing to speak safely from the mainstream start to say. Oh we need to demand. The records from the wuhan institute of viral aji So it's this is all moving very Quickly the other one last thing The other thing that's notable in this article is it. It very much lays out something. I've tried to put in some of my pieces on this. Which is why does it matter. Will it matters because if this was a manmade disaster it's the worst manmade disaster in history and just like the nuclear industry before it you would have the the industry of biology across universities and publicly funded labs across the world would be under the most intense spotlight and they would be subject to regulation from from outside of science itself right because it would be clear that trusting scientists to self regulate. This extremely dangerous research was a mistake because they have too much confidence in themselves and their And to too much of a conflict of interest because of the sources for the funding are so few. And far between i mean. Nih funds thirty two billion dollars of american biology and that's down to the the level of funding the salaries of your average biology professor at any american college Who has to win their salary in grants so there is a kind of omerta that has to be broken and i think that piece really shows why i think you you were mentioning to me. One of our colleagues were saying at the very least one of those of the this whole episode should be that you don't go and find no bat viruses and some remote cave somewhere and then bring them into the city center of a bustling populous place with people doing research on said bat viruses just walking out the door of the lab and and If if they get sick. God forbid instantly you're gonna have a pandemic overtaking that city and overtaking the world which is potentially what we saw here.
The Editors
"anthony fauci" Discussed on The Editors
"Part of your feed at industry may should services out there from spotify I tunes and you like what you please consider giving us a glowing five star review on itunes. If you don't like what you hear here please forget. I said anything. So m beatty. We got more action on anthony. Fauci and the lab theory fronts. We have vouch. E e mails released. Some people thought there Some smoking guns in there you had a more modulated take that you wrote up for the website and then we had this vanity fair piece which will talk about more in a minute but what are your takeaways from the emails so the emails are now i mean i call them a little bit of a war shock test Because i i think they contain some damning information or little revelations about fao cheese attitudes and prejudices that i think have been unhelpful During this pandemic but others saw a man. Who's just kind of trying to coordinate a flood of inquiries coming into him and information on the lab leak theory. I mean clearly. Their email show. This was something that had popped up very early. on fallacies radar He and francis collins refer to it as a conspiracy that's gaining steam and they seem to want to take their communication about it off of email. Which can be foyer and into phone calls. Which can't but you know you would perhaps for totally innocent reasons. Want to see a conspiracy theory if you believed it to be such Defeated and stomped out. Especially if it was casting you or your enterprise or science itself as a villain. So i don't find when when they're talking conspiracy theory. Do they mean the lab leak when the conspiracy theory. So they i think they used the words conspiracy theory both in in both instances one for zero hedge article that it was about bio weapons research and another that It was just Lab engineered With hiv is in into a corona virus So the us that in both terms and there is one conversation where that one email that is kind of spooky to read which is a series of emails. Were one scientists outside of the government says. Hey we have some signs here that this could be human engineered and then within a few hours fao. She sends an email to another staffer. Saying like you're going to have let's get on the phone immediately You're going to have some tasks to do today. And it's not clear what it is right and so it's it's it's And at the same time. He's receiving emails from doctor. Who runs this outfit called ego health. Alliance that Is a huge proponent of gain of function research and das- acc-. I mean if you put aside anthony fauci for a second. I think it's indisputable that dazzle has been a dishonest player In these debates right that he organized a statement in which he tried to even hide his own involvement trying to clear the lab that he was the cutout for in america he would receive funding from nih and then pass it on in sub grants to wuhan And his the letter. He organized his scientific gobbledygook. It's not a lot of scientists. Just don't credit at all for being remotely plausible as an explanation for the origin of the virus. So there and you see. He's directing nicely with him and But i think overall you get a couple of things that Get a couple of themes in foul cheese emails. That i think are open to serious interrogation. now which is go ahead. Which is He's very dismissive of store. Bought cloth masks at the very beginning of the pandemic Explains why they would be useless for virus particularly in aerosols. You see him slowly. Come around to a very like week. Acceptance of maybe As the pandemic is more widespread there could be some utility But you just don't see anything that lines up with what he was. Publicly saying about masks In march and april last year as he kind of embraced them Particularly you don't see any proof that he was deliberately trying to protect the supply. What you see is his honest view that they Store-bought masks are mostly useless I think all opponent who saying well kind of the best. Best interpretation of a mask question to vote for foul g is that he didn't think they're gonna make a huge difference but they might make a difference in the margins of With someone who's infected and didn't know it to stop them from from sped spreading the viruses quickly to others and then that also just using it as a general precautionary measure to make everyone he thinking about the virus And there's other things too. I mean he is I'm a bit out on a limb on this one for now. I don't think for very long but Fao ci consistently dismissed downplayed the use of cheap and available antivirals as a treatment for covid nineteen. You see scientists arguing with them and getting very angry at his statements And kind of trying to show off their research in israel and other countries An all the while vouchers promoting rim desert which turned out to not work very well at all And is about a thousand times more expensive than alternatives on hand. And you know so anyway. There's there's a couple of these themes there's no smoking gun and this these there's lots of redacted material and in some of the key emails But i i felt it didn't look good and it had lots of fodder for people who are already predisposed not to like anthony fauci But on the other hand like You know he's not cursing people out he he he sometimes Refuses to indulge the press in anti trump talking points You know so it's a. It's a mixed picture..
WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch
"anthony fauci" Discussed on WSJ Opinion: Potomac Watch
"It seems to me if you're really interested in getting the truth you you would take advantage of those people's expertise what they found and what they didn't find But i don't think that's going to happen. Finally friday's jobs. Report looks only so so. Employers added five hundred fifty nine thousand workers in may but that was lower a lower figure than expected. The unemployment rate fell from six point one percent to five point. Eight percent But kim at this stage in the recovery businesses opening up people starting to spend began. I mean is this really the kind of boom that we should be having or should it be. should it be a bigger boom than this not at all. This is very disappointing. We should just be having an economy that is roaring back to life and one of the problems here is that we're not picking up enough jobs to keep pace with the overall economy and there doesn't seem to be any question that this has to do with the fact that the federal government and too many blue states continue to pay people to sit at home. there's a record level of job openings in the us and it very clearly proves that businesses are having a really tough time filling positions Especially when you look at some of the areas in which it is. It is a lot of industries such as construction and services where They might not be as a higher paying jobs and right now people are getting a better wage or something at least enough to make them double think going back to work To just not want to go out and get back in the labor market to data points. There that i think are interesting And i'm taking these from the journal's news story on this the first is that wages are going up. Compared with a year ago hourly wages were up two percent and in leisure and hospitality businesses including restaurants. They were up four percent. So that's a a reasonable wage gain and yet the labor force participation rates which is the the percentage of adults who either have a job or looking for a job It dropped a little bit in may and it is still you know more than a point about a point and a half a lower than it was in february bill. So i mean what do you make of that. Wages are going up and people are are not being drawn. Back into the workforce yet. Yeah i think this is very troubling. you know as you know. We've had sort of a long decline in the labor force participation participation rate it. It peaked up a little bit under the trump years I think it went to like sixty three point three percent. But that's lower than i think what it was in two thousand and ten.