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Episode 137: Secular Al-Anon Boise

AA Beyond Belief

28:12 min | 1 year ago

Episode 137: Secular Al-Anon Boise

"This is a beyond belief episode one hundred and thirty seven in this episode. You'll meet Kim L.. Who with her friends started a secular? Alanon meeting in Boise Idaho. So we'll talk about the challenges. They had starting the meeting and how things are going today. It's an interesting conversation. I think you're really going to enjoy this one Kim. How're you doing pretty good? How are you? I'm not doing bad. I'm doing good So you are here to talk about a secular Alanon meeting that you helped. Start Art and Boise Idaho. Yes can you start by telling me win. And where is that meeting We meet on Wednesday. Stay nights at seven thirty We need it. The Peer Wellness Center in Boise on Franklin road. And when did you start this This summer so in July really has been going for a little while. Yeah and you know. I think this might be the first secular al-anon meeting about ever heard of on as far as we found we are so. So what motivated you to start a secular meeting. While the fact that I'm a theorist and I am well not as uncomfortable comfortable in traditional alanon meetings as some. I am fairly uncomfortable in some of them and if I know that I'm uncomfortable comfortable Ben. I know there's definitely people that are more uncomfortable than I am. And that aren't getting the help that they need and everything to be able to join Alanon and get what they need out of it and get the support of the people in the group Have you been going back to Ellen on for a while a little less than a year. Oh Okay but you're as an atheist. You're not totally uncomfortable with it. But I'm there is some discomfort yes especially in the meetings where there's a lot more God speak and it just it gets kind of. I know that it gives me the willies. A little bit in some of those meetings and I know several people who would be even van more uncomfortable and they won't go to meetings because of that. There's a lot of people in a as well and I found that out when we started our meeting that Really the majority of the people that were coming they were finding us from our our website and they were coming to our meeting because they wouldn't go to a meet tuna abd and otherwise because they have the impression anyway that it's religious and understandably so if they go to a meeting that closes with the Lord's prayer in admonishes them to find God now and so forth so yeah so so did you have any problems is getting the meeting started. Did you have any resistance. we've had plenty of dog or this is the fun part We actually in the last last couple of weeks have been in touch with the WASO and they are refusing to list are are meeting crazy. That's the that's the World Service Office for Alanon. They're refusing to list us on the grounds that the dictionary the the dictionary says that secular is basically not spiritual. Oh Okay and and Alanon is a quote spiritual And I'm just like okay. Yes the the dictionary meaning of secular is not not happy with religion right and the widely the widely accepted definition in society. Is that it doesn't have to do with religion in general but it's an nonreligious and that's what we're all the problem. They have the with the definition thing with the Mary as we look up spiritual in the dictionary has relating to religion. It has if I can't remember the exact definition but you look it up. Spirituality is kind of defined Loyd as religious religion. Yeah and that's where we're getting hung up with them and trying to figure out our whole thing was okay. We wanted to let let people know that even though even if they won't list us and even if they won't list US locally we can still have have our meeting. We can still word out there that were meeting and we have people who are willing to help that aren't affiliated with any kind kind of religion. So we we have our website. We have our email and we're putting the word out there at the local atheist. The EST meetings that we have this Alanon meeting and just trying to let people know that if you're not comfortable in regular Al Anon it kind of see us and you know it's kind of a misnomer to as far as W is concerned about the whole spiritual thing because he believe it or not. There's a lot of veith. theus that are spiritual or considers himself spiritual that go to secular. Aa Meetings and they had they define spirituality and their own in their own way. And and you know it's fine. We're okay if in fact we are okay with some anybody can come to our meeting. We're not excluding anyone. You can believe anything you want. It really doesn't matter that's the thing but we do have and I'm assuming that you're meetings the same way. You have a format that setup where it just kind of takes that it takes that real the heavy religious tone off off the table. Yeah absolutely. So we've we've pretty much just taken the mention of God especially God big g out our format and we don't open and close with the serenity prayer. We use the al-anon declaration. We have a whole list of different things that we can use that still fit with the Alanon principles but our religious right. You know I was reading your meeting script and I can't really remember. Remember how it all went but it did seem to me that you were pretty clear that this was a very inclusive group. I'm yeah so we AH. We didn't want to exclude anyone. Because Pardon Alanon is being able to include people so our whole thing was because we wanna make everyone feel comfortable and that means Buddhists Atheist agnostics Christians out anyone Muslims. Whoever wants to come they can come and feel comfortable because we're not overwhelming them with Judeo Christian beliefs? I'm not that familiar with Alanon. I haven't been to very many Al Anon meetings do a lot of them or the majority of them are like Aa that close with Lord's prayer I haven't been to one. That does all roy no Most of them use the serenity prayer. Okay well how about that. That's interesting. Yeah which is which is more comfortable than closed absolutely absolutely because like for instance the first. Aa Meeting that my husband went to counted. They they said the God. Or Jesus Seventy eight times during the meeting. And then they closed with the Lord's prayer. He said rather go to church thing. Go back to that meeting. Yeah you know. That's one thing that has changed over the last several years with a is it's maybe it's just has has to society so I came in the thirty one years ago and you never heard anybody talk about a specific religious reference. Like Jesus. You never heard that but now you do and even heard of some groups where people actually bring the Bible with them to the meetings and stuff like that. So it's Kinda strange that as as our society -ociety seems to becoming more secular and the whole we are little niche and AA. Sometimes it's becoming a little bit more rigid and sometimes a little put more Gosh overtly religious like when you talk about a specific deity or something that. That's that used to never be ever be. I heard on the meeting but as changed so okay. So that's really interesting that Waso was giving you a hard time. They won't list you and does it. Is that how it works and Alanon. I mean you in a we have like these individual groups. That list meetings are we have areas and districts. That list meetings Alanon like that or do you. Does the World Service Office lists all the meetings trowel non still. We have our districts that list meetings and then we have Wfan that lists meetings so we started with the local with our district and bay refused. This is so it's so interesting because every Alanon I I've talked to other al-anon's who have wanted to start a secular al-anon meeting and all of them have told me that they've gotten resistance from Allen. Yeah so yeah. So the local said basically the exact same thing that Waso's said so we tried with the local and then and recently is when we started with Debbie. You're like well maybe if we get W. S. O. N.. Then the local will just have to fall in lie and Waso so like Oh hold on hold on a second here now so we working on that a little bit more to see how it goes and I know of course a a is a total separate fellowship. But do they ever do they. I wonder if they stopped at look at all the secular meetings that there are and have been for a long time. Well and that's the thing that we've Like we tried to say something to local especially I said. Did you know that we have at least two atheist stagg nostrils meetings every week for the A and they were like. Oh no I didn't know that and I said well they do and they were like Oh okay and that was it. Basically and the the big thing is that. Apparently there's here's I guess to to not put too fine or point on it. There's pissing match between a and Al Anon so like Alanon is really protective of their whole thing and they don't want I understand they don't want a like taking over it but at the same time like the whole their whole thing is to work in conjunction with a and and at this point it doesn't seem like they are well. That's pretty. That's pretty interesting. Tell me this are you. There's a group of ladies that I've met in Lawrence is Kansas who are also interested in starting a group have you have you met them talk to them. ES Maryland. He I've talked Allen and Yeah we've talked hot 'em and they've they said that they were going to talk to Waso about getting their meeting listed. And I haven't heard anything I'm getting I get in touch with her sneak sneak in Hanover. Started they started meeting yet. I think they have. Oh okay. I'll have excuse me. I have to send her an email about what's going on with that. Yeah that's that's really interesting so That would be cool though if you had At least two secular Alan groups out there you know. Yeah if and and the whole thing like Like Chia and I have discussed my cohort She and I have discussed like I said if we start and just do our meeting local. Waso aside and just let people know where out there if we get enough people going to secular readings then we we have that to show Waso and the local districts that. Hey we've got all of these the people who aren't comfortable in standard meetings and they need the help that Alanon gives just not in the way that you've been giving it. Let's try this right. Let's let's yeah it's it's kind of like you know. Meet people where they are and growing a number of people especially probably more people in your generation. I'm assuming Um that are you know. They don't really identify with any sort of religion. They they might not necessarily authentified atheist or agnostic. But they the one that the people that I meet that are coming to our meetings. They just they don't have anything against it. It's just that it just doesn't seem pertinent net and relevant and it just seems weird basically for them to have to engage in praying and so forth but anyway enough of that. So tell me What do you how how tell me? What a typical median is like? Well it's not that much different from Standard Alan so we start our meeting. Welcome please join me in a moment of silence to us as you wish and we and we continue on with breath we read the steps. We read the traditions of you. Read the traditional steps not altered or anything no. We did slightly alter them. I am so that they don't have God in was mentioned higher power because anything can be your higher power so oh it's just sticking point in a by the way any groups that have altered the steps they actually. We've kind of had a little lawsuit and Canada over that which kind of settled it. Anyway Luau they haven't had that You know what happened in Canada if you're not familiar with the story but in Toronto diagnostic groups there. They wrote their own damn steps and they would read them at all their meetings they were. They're quite happy with them and they would post them on their website and everything and their meetings were doing just great and they were Listed with the Toronto Intergroup for a long time without any problem but then all of a sudden a new group of people started managing the Toronto Group and they decided that they had unlisted these agnostic groups in Toronto because they were Oh they changed the staps and all this kind of stuff anyway. So a lawsuit suit ensued one of the people that was going to the agnostic groups sued because they said that you know on grounds of his. He sued through the Human Rights Tribunal in Canada and in Ontario and it was basically that his human rights are being violated because The Toronto Intergroup wasn't making a reasonable accommodation for people for nonbelievers to have their own meeting their own way and unbelievably. The defense of the Toronto Intergroup was to be a group. You had to profess a belief in God and work. The steps has written by the blood. Anyway it was crazy but it it they finally settled and the Toronto Intergroup had to list the the AA groups. And I think the settlement was just had to affirm that something about the twelve step affirm acknowledge the original toil steps. Whatever anyway long story but yeah there was a little lawsuit? Yeah well and that's the thing thing is we do. We do mention that. They've been changed a little bit from the originals. You know there's all of the literature is all standard Alanon. It's not. There's nothing agnostic or atheist for alanon literature so pretty much everywhere you turn you get the standard twelve steps and twelve traditions. Anyway but yeah. So we've we've edited them a little bit but not a whole lot when you're talking about the literature. Sure and I. I'm not that familiar with the Elon litter but I have. I've had an an Alanon on our podcast before. And she she she's actually she's a member but she gets she. It has more. She gets more benefit. I've Alanon and she says she really likes to Alanon literature. She says it's more up to date and she thought it was less religiously oriented like the the literature which was really old. Is that true. I have noticed that. Yeah so there's in particular. There's one book paths to recovery and there is a section in the second step that talks about how this woman. It's her story and they. She talks about how she was very uncomfortable. With the fact that all of the God. And I'm I'm a theorist I'm agnostic. I don't understand why I have to profess belief in this God that I don't believe it and then kind of realizing that it's like Oh anything could be my higher power. And kind of recognizing that and reconciling thing it with her own beliefs and so they do have kind of those mentions in the books which is nice but there's there's still a lot of standard religiousness will A. It's really bad the literature anyway because while the big book was written in Nineteen thirty nine. And that's what most most of the group's US and it's not a the language. That of course is old. It's dated it's written by men and from that perspective so so it it Ha- it has a role paternalistic feel to it. In fact even the chapter to the wives at Lowest Wilson's supposed to right off the. Ah It's just awful and so we can't really use it so we do use alternative during we happen to have a lot of it but AA AA. You have that right. You can use alternative literature. richardneer beatings if not everybody knows that are agrees with understands we can and we do our group. That's the other thing is that you know you have to use is the approved Alad on literature conference approved and I know in some meetings. They say not to mention anything. Thank other than not literature and I was like. Wow you know. Conference approved is all L.. And good but it's not the only stuff out there and I know that like personally personally. I have adopted some of the a readings in the eighth in agnostic stuff. I've kind of adapted them for my own use just kind of like. Oh this makes a lot of sense. I'm just going to adopt adopt that. Make copies of it and just kind of stick it in with my other stuff so that I have to reference back to and you know I think I might be wrong but I think that the alternative twelve step book that was written by two women. I can't remember the name talking about but I believe that she was an Alanon. Who wrote that have you? Have you gotten that book is called the alternative twelve steps. I don't think I do okay. Well check it out. It's a it's a pretty good bike because written by two women. I'm pretty sure that one of them's Alanon. It was written back in the nineteen nineties and It's it's actually a very good book and it's pretty popular in our group and if you know Angela from yeah yeah she she. She used that book to go through the steps when she was first getting into the program and I know she's mentioned the book a lot she. She agrees to pretty much every meeting as fires. I've noticed oh how about that. It's funny yeah. Yeah and so you know Angela. Wally have been a big help with starting the meeting as well. Good Okay so you you you do read the steps and then Then the basic format of the meeting was just like any other meeting pretty much so we you know we have our introduction. This this is what Al Anon is pass around our basket and we have an open discussion now. If anybody's got a topic we go on with the meeting. And it's an hour long meeting. And when we get to the end than we have like I said Alanon declaration or you know we have. I think three or four different versions of things that we can use to read at the end and we close the meeting and if anybody has questions we have pamphlets we have all the things. We have resources that they can use if they want to. If they want literature they can contact me and I'll get into getting literature for them if they want it and people finding you okay. We had one guy that found us by accident accident like he had seen our meeting information on the board at the center the Wellness Center where we meet and he thought he would stop by and see and have tried our meeting and we haven't seen him since it was one time that he came but I don't know if he is e or so but so far it's been kind kind of slow going but we're still were dedicated to making sure that this is a thing. Yeah it takes a while. Our group was the same way when we started off. I I think the first year you know. Most of our meetings were five. Six eight people were was a big meeting and then the next year got a little bigger and a little bigger a little bigger and we still l.. Kinda have we still kinda waxed Wayne in the numbers of memberships. But I got to the point where I don't really judge the success of the group about by how big it is. It doesn't the matter to me. How many people go to meetings but The meeting seemed to be helping people and working People are getting sober. And they're making friends and I see lives changing gene so yeah our group is doing pretty well in that respect you know. Yeah and that's kind of where I was was like. I said I'm not as uncomfortable as some and people are but that was my whole reason for wanting to start this meeting and that was why Chia and I got together and started the meeting. We saw the need paid for something non traditional. They're absolutely really is a need. I I mean I can't tell you how many emails I've gotten over the years years from al-anon's that we're looking for a secular alternative of for Alanon So they're they're they're they're truly truly is a need for that. I was thinking about something and I forgot what I was going to ask you. But that's okay I was Gonna ask you so The fact that that you the fact that they won't lift you. You're still an Alanon group. It's not so as I. It must be a similar tradition into a is at urine. Aa Group. If you say you are so nobody can deny that now. We're a group just because they won't list US doesn't mean crap it's there okay. So that's that's a two but that's a weird that the listening part anyway so I think that you're I think you're I think the words get out on this podcast is probably going to help and We'll also post an article on our site avion belief that gives your meeting information and so forth and Because I we we do have al-anon's of listen to our podcast in Qatar website so May Be what will happen is after awhile. al-anon's from around North America. If not the world will start that are secular are will start networking with each other. Because that's what happened in. Aa We kind of got together and online started networking. And that's when our meetings really started growing and taking off when we realize that we're not alone. Yeah well and that's what I'm hoping and I can also email you a link to our website. You can include article and anybody who wants to WHO's had starting starting eating. Who would like help is welcome to contact us? We're very free with giving meeting information out. this is what we use. You can adapt it however you like. You're meeting script was really good by the way railroad credit for that goes pretty much all to Chia the ass she did. She did the work on that for the most part she I mean she would e mail me copies and you know what do you think. Can we do a little editing. And but for for the most part it's all Chia on that end and he's the one who built the website and so but yeah contact us and and we're happy to help anything that you know were there so every Wednesday night somebody is there so well this has been this is interesting. It's been a great conversation and thank you so much for coming on to let us know about about your meeting. As time goes on we might touch base again and see. How can you know? I'm going to reach out out to the women and Lawrence to find out what's going on with their with their meeting. And what what. What kind of issues they've had to? They're they're nice. Nice group that came out. We had a little anniversary for our group and they came out to that like nice out a month ago. Yeah Yeah and they listen to this podcast. I'm glad to hear that our numbers are growing growing as it like. I said it's important that people know that there's help out there. Even if you don't believe in God yeah I was going to this. Something is thinking about that whole thing about having that option available in Wichita Kansas. There is a district in a district that is wanting to start a secular. Aa Meeting in their accessibility committee. So what they're saying basically is that for some people. There's an obstacle to get to the meetings just like if there's not a wheelchair ramp is an obstacle. For other people the the the perception of religiosity he is a is an obstacle. So by having that option there it removes that obstacle and helps more people. Oh yeah yeah anyway all right well. Thanks again Kim. I appreciate it and best of luck to you and your group down there and like I say we'll be talking again and after a while to see needs to see how things are going great. Thanks for having me John I appreciate it. That's that's another episode of a a beyond belief. Thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to help out our site and podcast a couple of things you can do first of all all going over to I tunes and leave us a review. Hopefully a favorable one you could also help out financially with either recurring or a one time. Contribution you can do that by setting up recurring donations at our patriotic pays which is patriotic dot com slash a beyond belief or through pay pal at paypal dot me slash slash A._A.. Beyond belief and you can always visit ours high beyond belief dot org and Click on the donate button. Thanks again for listening. We'll be back again real soon with another episode of A._A.. Beyond belief the podcast.

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American Idol's Walking Miracle Brianna Collichio Reflects on Her Audition

On Air with Ryan Seacrest: The Post Show

04:05 min | Last month

American Idol's Walking Miracle Brianna Collichio Reflects on Her Audition

"It is one or two point seven kiss. Fm so brianna. Colegio was on american idol. On sunday let me play a little bit of her audition. And then we're bringing in live right here. Born with a disease called cystic fibrosis. As a result of that i'm prone to chronic lung infections. I started taking trips to the hospital when i was seven. The life expectancy for cystic fibrosis. Is maybe thirty six. But it doesn't affect me. It doesn't define me. She's fifteen years old and she's right here and she got a ticket to hollywood. Her audition went swimmingly. Congratulations brenna you. Thank you so much. I'm doing phenomenal. how are you good. I keep forgetting your fifteen. I remember talking to you. And then i watched back the audition. You're very mature fifteen year. Old thank you. So i just wanted to give people a little context here. I mean you're fifteen you are. You're dealing with you've had to be out of hospital so you've got more challenges than a lot of other people. Yet you come in and focus and you nailed the audition. What did that feel like for you. Oh my gosh It was like. I can't even people have been asking me like how does it feel i like. I can't even put my finger on it. you know There are people who walk into american idol. Who just come in with trials that they've had to face you know and they come in like a a some people just coming like a broken broken person and they leave like a star So american i don't that was like the most special moment of my life. I don't think i could have asked for anything more. And you posted a video from your last surgery. You and your nurse you guys i saw you broke into a duet. Basically didn't you yeah. It was like right after. I woke up from surgery I in the wheelchair and she. She pushed me al anon You know i was talking back and forth with her a little bit. Because i was telling her you know I'm having an american idol audition saying he was like. Oh i like to think so i. I just started singing in She started joining along. The mom came in started recording it. It's great. I think you inspired a lot of people just by telling your story and you're really good. That's the other thing you got some real talent so brianna you saw last sunday. She made it through. She got her ticket and her audition song. We scars to your beautiful by the way your original first audition. The you're going to have. You couldn't go because you had to go to the hospital right. Yes so the first. You know the open call auditions. That was supposed to have on the eve of that. I ended up. You know in the emergency room because of the severe pain in my left side and Then after my sister posted the tick tock of me in the hospital and american idol reached out. I was able to reschedule. But then i had to reschedule again. Because i had another in surgery on my right kidney frigging stone. Gosh wow you have such a good spirit. Battling all of that and an amazing voice. We'll brenna just wanted to say. Congratulations again so happy to have you in hollywood. Take colonel sees soon okay all right thank you bye bye. Kaleo thing about that. Battling cystic fibrosis in and out of hospitals. Her whole life life expectancy is. You heard they said mid thirties yet. She comes in. And here's part of what she did in the audition just get know was dies. Young katy called her a walking miracle walking miracle. That's what her mom calls to. We're coming back in one minute to pair i bill.

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Episode 196: Secular  Al-Anon Boise: An Update

AA Beyond Belief

34:06 min | 5 months ago

Episode 196: Secular Al-Anon Boise: An Update

"Aaa beyond belief is a podcast by for and about people who have found a secular path to sobriety about the holidays anonymous about a year ago and episode one hundred and thirty seven. I was speaking with kim l. From boise idaho. She is the co founder. Of what i believe to be the first ever secular alanon group and She updated us on how the group got started. And how things were going those early days. Well now that it's been a year later. I thought it'd be nice to catch up with them to see how things are going today. Especially in the age of kobe. So today's guests is chia another co founder of the group secular on the welcome to a beyond belief. Chea thank you. I'm delighted to be here. Things are going famously. Thanks to you and covid. We now have three online meetings per week and one in person meeting in ohio. And when i say we. I mean Secular alan odds have these and that's a lot of the credit for that. Goes to this website and your interview with a lot of people have found this that way. Well you know. I get emails occasionally. In fact i got one last week from someone wanting to know if there are any secular meetings and only a couple of people to forward those emails to but they always get back with them and i suppose right now that most alanon meetings are taking place online anyway because of the health crisis. Yeah i i haven't tried to track regular alanon as you know. They don't list are meeting because we have secular in the name. I did not know public. Got over that no. We found that they would accept and submitted an application but they'd cove it hit and we never heard back. I don't i don't know if they're even in the office these things anyway. The is hard. It's going to be hard for them to get over it is. It's not a couple people. it's not one person thinking. Oh no we can't let people with secular in the name it's the convention the worldwide conference who gives those directives to w so the world service organization and so they're just implementing what they say given see. That's one big difference with alanon. Aa from what i understand. Is that like our general service office doesn't dictate to the groups or to the inner groups as far as what they can do as far as listing individual groups and so forth. It's always done at the the lower levels. It's always done at the intergroup level the group level all this decisions. I don't know whether they're dictating or not. Definitely refusing to list us in worldwide listing. If you don't mind let's let's start with a little bit of background. Let's let's talk about for. I'm sure that people listening to this. Podcast alanon is but let's talk about. Let's talk about alanon itself. What al anon is a little bit of background of that and then the challenges that people with a secular worldview might face in alanon great so the requirement for membership is the a problem of alcoholism in a friend or relative and the assumption is that under such conditions. We tend to adopt counterproductive strategies. That was intuitive. When dealing with an alcohol can be exactly the wrong thing. And i know this was my husband what i thought was loving and helpful to do actually with keeping him stuck. He got into recovery. Almost as soon as i left him. Which was a real eye opener to me so even though we define it in terms of someone else's drinking really membership is about being someone who uses counterproductive strategies or ineffective strategies and that can be because we grew up with alcoholics or grew up in a dysfunctional home. It can be for a lot of different reasons. I have never had a practicing dry in my life. While i've been in allen. I'd be decided left my husband by the time i joined but i have stayed because i didn't know what i needed. I didn't know how to get it and didn't have the courage i was. I had been trained not to ask for what i wanted so i expected people to read. My mind is was too scary to ask. These are fairly typical alanon issues. We come in thinking that the problem is someone else and we stick around when we find out that the problem is us and that if we want to stop being at the effect of other people is up to us to stop. We can't change everyone in the world. So that's what alanon is about. Their plenty of people who qualify. Let me just point out that everyone in a off is that we and as soon as you start clustering people you are. Yeah well. I've known a lot of people since i've been in a who've joined alan and a lot of them. Tell me they get more out of that than i do a well. Sure i mean. I've been a i'm in both. I've been sober. Thirty seven years drinking has not been an issue for me in a very long time but dealing with people is an issue make every effort will be the day i die so Plenty of people need it. We are trying to make it available to the people who will not go. If it's held in a church if they hear the word. God i mean. Some people does break out in hives when they hear the word guy but they they would check us out and is really exciting to me when those people have shown up in our meetings at their first or second on meeting and stuck around and said later you know wasn't going to be able to stay in regular alanon because what is effectively asking or it feels. This way to me is to be dishonest. If you don't believe in god and he's say well you know. This is what i believe and people say. Well just you know. Just act as if i mean to me. That sounds like be dishonest. So the whole with enough integrity to leave leave and to my mind. That's a travesty. That we need to make recovery available. Everyone who wants it. Will you know. I've certainly over. The years have gotten several anyway. Emails from people asking about secular alanon meetings. And very you know. And i usually will refer them to. You guys boise or the group in kansas which were the only only groups that i know of you know and you guys have always been good about responding to people but yeah it's like so obviously there's i mean the same thing is true in a and it's probably more chew now than it was years ago. I mean there's will probably a larger group of people who don't really have strong religious views and our little bit bothered that it would even be part of their recovery. Anyway i hear that when you check the boxes. None is the fastest growing religious preference. Yup yup. I think it is. But i know that. Aaa had problems with getting secular aa meetings. Kind of in the in the accepted. I guess by the greater fellowship. But i think we're pretty much large extent they are now. What kind of. Let's let's go back to the specific problem. Someone might have like if you're if you're working the alanon program and you're an atheist for example. What obstacles would you be facing. People still a lot over the word higher power they eat. Will i let me let me say that are disease the allen on disease is thinking that other people have the power more life is messed up because someone else has the power to mess up my life. We give away our power and we do this when we let christians define our terms for us when and we hear the word higher power. we think. God we're doing you know. We're we're doing christian van. Worked for them is says power. It doesn't say deity doesn't say gang assist our are power all over the place so that concept is the first stumbling block. I think and there's an awful lot in allah non of what going let god you take away. God you just let go and people stumble over there. They're afraid they're afraid their loved ones gonna die. They feel like they ought to be doing something. And where do they turn for help as probably the next stumbling block even if they can find a power for themselves. They have trouble with the guilt. The idea that they so we have a little saying that goes. I didn't 'cause i can't control it. And i can't cure it and and we have a saying because people come in feeling like i did some things i need to do. Something different for this other person will. I need to do something different for myself. That may or not may not help the other person and and to be able to summon the compassion to walk someone suffer in their alcoholism is it started as not a trivial talent so You know so maybe believers can can say all it's in god's hands in that helps them and atheist don't have that a half do martial that resource in some other way yeah. My mother-in-law is an alanon. her daughter unfortunately is not in recovery. And has we've already lost. We lost her hurt. Her son in law we've lost and now her daughter is not in good shape but alanon has been extremely helpful to her. She she's a religious person but when she talks to me about alanon and what she likes about it. It's her friends in the community of people that are helping her and she just loves it you know and so we never really get into the details of what sh- of her belief system or anything like that. But i always hear that. I've always thought that was the strength of aa to. I've only experienced one alanon meeting myself and that was A twelve step. Call that i made. I've told the story before but anyway it was a twelve step call that i made. And the the alcoholic was not receptive at all and his wife was there and it was obvious that she was abused and beaten and knowledge in that but somehow she was willing to go to an alanon media. And i don't know how. I got to be the person to take her there but i did. I took her to an alanon meeting. And oh boy you could just tell the people in the room. They knew where she was at. I mean you could just tell and she she was. She was shattered but there was so much love and concern and care for her it. Just it just blew me away. Was the most incredible thing i've ever seen. I don't know if she ever went back but that was an experience. I'll never forget in my life. And i don't know i'm just. I'm just kind of bringing that up. But it's just there's a lot of power and that that in that community that group of people who care and it's a shame that something like a religious idea or terminology could cut some people off from that and as far as i'm concerned the great the best thing that we could do in a or al-anon or any any twelve step organization is trying to become more inclusive more open and break down any barriers of entry. You know. I completely agree. It's ironic you know. You say you felt such low in concerted care while those who the powers that propel my recovery. I don't need all power. To recover i don. It doesn't matter to me what pushes the stars around in the sky. That doesn't not relevant but people's honesty in meetings is is part of my higher power. The time their generosity the time they will spend with me is part of my higher power in so those people in the meeting. Were manifesting the power that i see as crippling recovery at the same time saying oh no not me right right now same here same here and It was. I've always felt that aa to. I've always felt that it was the other people in the room. That were giving me hope you know i could see that these people. I knew that they'd been through what i've been through and yet they look like they're okay today and just just knowing that was like get was giving me hope that maybe one day i could be okay to thinking about that experience when i was in that room and i could feel the compassion. I could see the compassion on people's faces now that we don't really get to. We don't really get to experience that so much with covid how has covid and moving online affected your group in particular and recovery. Alanon well for us. It's been a real boom when everyone was looking at paper schedules and we were not there. We were severely at a disadvantage now. Everyone's going online. They're finding us and so as you've known it. All across the us and canada people are linking into this community. There have always been people trying to start secular alanon meetings and mostly made us fissile for lack of being able to get a critical mass killing well on a wednesday night in the woods. Still call the secular alanon but really is just wednesday night secular. Eleanor on there might be men. Jim from boise and the other twelve. Fifteen participants are from all over the us and canada. So cove has ironically been a great to us and and this way we are getting I think we we. Now have the critical mass. I don't think we'll disappear again as groups have in the past. They've tried and failed and tried and sales. I think that we will boys the wednesday night meeting. We'll we'll stay online regardless of what happens with copen will remain. I don't think there's any compassion shortage because of colon. I mean you can't you can't cuddle right right. we didn't. We didn't do that much anyway. Well you know. I've seen the same thing with the secular meetings now more because of covert and these meetings being online. I bet you that we actually have more secular. Aa meetings than we ever had and more and more people from just average people from any any group in the in in the world will find secular meeting and find out that they like it and most of the groups my group included we'll continue with an online component. Even after we all go back to meeting a person so there will always be these online meetings along with the face to face meetings and hybrid meetings as well. Yeah so. I think that i think in a way that this has been a boon to secular recovery resources in general. Because it's like you know now people can find. I wonder if you a lot of people are finding you from your website to usually they find the website via one of the a website. Okay either yours. Or agnostic. Yeah yeah that's right that's right. Oh yeah they. That site gets a tremendous amount of visit so that would be really helpful. And that's amazing too that you can. I wasn't like when we started our group. We didn't really have any problems here in in kc. But i wasn't concerned like if our central office decided not to list us. Because i knew that google with help people find us anyway. Yeah i think that. I think allen on is just behind that development but you know maybe twenty years or so the people who who have come far enough to say you know this is not working for me are are very thinly distributed. I think there's a lot of us out there. In fact personally. I consider secular meeting to the future. I don't see any reason. The idea of god is helpful to a lot of people great. There's a lot helpful ideas out there. You can sit in a meeting and swapped helpful ideas all day long. You don't need to put it near for you. Don't need to ask people to pray so this is the way things should be to. My mind is the future and is to happen. Regardless of who drags not. Just i kind of i kind of i kind of see like history is marching along and and change happens and it's happening at a pretty quick pace right now because of how we're all having to go to meetings anyway because we don't have anything else i know we don't like all the time so it's like i say i do work from home and so i was going to a lot of online meetings but i've gotten so busy just beyond belief website and just the community online that i don't really go to that many meetings anymore because all pretty much. Aa beyond belief has become a meeting in a sense that podcast. Well it sturgis so it the same way for me. Is that what. I don't meetings. What i get from them as incidental main reason for going to give back. Because i've been doing this as i say. Thirty seven years in two programs. And my i have a related line because i i don't go to meetings and sit in the back and cry through the way i did it the bank so i think that people don't quite realize how important it is. How well for me. How important it is for me to give back to know that what. I've worked so hard to get that. That i can help other people get that. Maybe they won't have to work harder. Suffer as long as i did. That's more rewarding to me. People understood that they would call me more. They're afraid belt bothered me. What is he going to bother me in the middle of now i agree and i mean. I'm glad that there are people like you. That stick around. Because when i when i was coming to meetings it was those people. They didn't even have to say anything. Who just having them in the room and knowing that they got their lives together meant everything to me. I mean if if all we were the people that were all just struggling all the time it would not know. It'd be a little bit more difficult. I think but for me i am. I get a lot of satisfaction out of watching other people especially people that are starting out at the age. I was when i was starting out. And i see them doing the things that i was doing when i was young and i and it just makes me feel so good to see that i got to play a little bit of part in that. I guess and that you now what i would leave is. I've mentioned this before on different podcasts episodes but when i would leave a meeting in my home group and i would see. The people gathered outside smoking cigarettes and they shouldn't be smoking cigarettes but they would always go out with each other after the meeting. I would just always feel so good about that. Because i remember that being so important to me when i was in my twenties and thirties i getting sober. Just little things like that just adds value to my life. It makes it makes it makes me I dunno just adds something special. But i would be missing if i didn't didn't have that. Yeah and to see. I mean you can see in one meeting. You're talking about the fourth step in you say to someone no of course you didn't your piece of the action isn't that you caused that person to abuse. You know your piece of the action is the you haven't yet figured out how to protect yourself from abuse. And then you get to the seventh step in esiason wringing their hands going on pray you say but it's not about prayer it's about being To new ways of doing and you can see their face change by the end of their the meeting. They're not fretting They see the cost ability of going forward. And that's just way exciting those steps by the way six and seven those are two of the most powerful steps when you when you take god out aren't they because that's where you really have to develop your own willingness to change and actually make the effort to change. It's not like god does it. All you know if that was not much to it legally get short shrift in the big. But they do. And and in meetings. It's what i call blue smoke and mirrors. I don't know how it was just was lifted. Well that really doesn't help me but what has helped me. You know is understanding I'm willing long before i'm ready. Ready means to talk about my alcoholic husband for a minute here you know. I left him. Because i was not getting what i needed in the relationship and it wasn't until i got ellen on that i learned that if i wanted to get what i needed. I was going to ask for it. Will that was really scary to me. Because i had been trained growing up. I was punished or knowing what i needed. And asking for it so for me. I was willing to have that fear of saying no removed but to be ready was completely different. I had a mountain of here to work my way through and that is step six becoming ready to say no one. I mean no. And ask for what i need in words that sort of trivial. Step seven but for me to be ready to do that. I mean the first time. I said no when someone offered me a hug at the end of the meeting. I didn't want it. I said no. The first time i walked home i was looking back over my shoulder to see as they were gonna follow me. Envy me up is step. Six is not trivial is all of psychotherapy belongs to step six. He gets through your emotional obstacles and now you can step seven year. You're like okay. I didn't learn that answers are not inside me at this time. Okay universe where the answers and you start asking your friends you start opening your eyes. I mean people were showing me. I could go into work on any day as the administration of how to ask for what you need. But i did. I couldn't see it until i made myself receptive until i got to step seven and was asking the questions. How do i do this. And then i looked around i go. That's how you doing. I see that's how it's done. That's what seven is the freedom step. it's where i become liberated from the The emotional chains that have had made lizard israel. I mean i was miserable when i got on on So yet i agree clear. Why the blue smoke compared and unless talk about naked bolts. Those are to my most favorite most interesting steps. That talk about if i talk about a step on a podcast. Those are especially this one. Those are those are the ones that we really weren't really gets interesting. You know when people talk about especially when when they define what what we alanon. They probably call them character defects to do use that. Yeah yeah and i learned from somebody. When i did a podcast here that they saw them not as character defects but as defense mechanisms that they learned to use that were that stopped working and that were harmful and i just found that a really interesting way of looking at them and she kind of gave me a whole new perspective on what is typically defined as character defect. So i pretty much understand my step for as being about outdated strategies growing up in that dysfunctional home. I adopted strategies. That were the best. I can do there. That are totally the wrong thing. Now and my piece of the action is not that. I grew up in a dysfunctional home. It's a i. I need a date. Haven't updated my strategies. Defects beef exits word that a abacha privilege white man us to help them control their own. Egos and you know. Most people in alanon are not privileged white men. They tend to be like the woman that you twelve steps who are beaten down. In the last thing they need to do is a fruitless searing. Moral inventory. I know i know man that happens a day sometimes as well but yeah absolutely. Yeah that would that would not have been helpful for her at all so so anyway. It's good to hear that your group is doing well. you've been. How long have you been meeting now. Well we started meeting in prison back in july Not this past so a year and a half a year and a half ago and we were dying wind cohen hit. I mean it was. It was going to be hard to keep going because we were not listed in people. Were not finding us so we went to zoom and right away. Isn't that amazing. So you know what. I need to email this person you're Zoom meeting and formation. Is it on your website okay. That's what i'll do then and she'll go can go to that and she'll probably really like it she because she just she just three shots as is there any i said well there's two groups i know. Oh yeah but there's also that one now in canada that started up and we were talking about that a little bit before. We started recording that your group started and there's a group in kansas and now this group in canada right. I actually have the website here limit. Look at it so we have a secular ellen on step study workshop monday three. Pm pacific time. The voices secular ellen on wednesday seven thirty mountain time any faith or none twelve noon central time and then there's an increase in meeting in. Newton falls ohio. So that's my the website with ribbon with boats in it. So if she sent her there were hoping that people can find a time that works for them. Yeah well it's. It's good that it's good. It's good that we have that resource it out but prior prior to all this She wouldn't have had to go. Probably right that's why. The demographic is so dispersed because developed tried. And give it up and try to give an option. Now maybe we're getting some momentum. It's been an interesting conversation. I'm glad that things have worked out well for your group. It'll be so interesting to see how everything will develop when we do eventually come out of our homes and go back to meeting in person. And how all these people being experiencing secular meetings how they're going to react when they go back to their home groups you know. I was going to be very interesting. And also it'll be interesting to see if alanon itself becomes any any more open to Secular groups and you know when i first when i first heard about their their Not being open to them. It kind of surprised me because al-anon is pretty good about free standing about updating their literature. Unlike a debate have more updated literature when it comes to the program. Yeah but he keeps coming out with new literature also like the well. The thing about asia's the big book that that is like written in stone lined. Yeah yeah i mean. that's why. Everybody clings to. I mean they had been the head living sober so i mean. Are you being like individual members that come out with books. That's a lot of that going on. You talk about just as general service conference. Well i was. I was thinking so then there was as bill season and more recently The grapevine published one big ten. The grapevine has really gotten on board. I don't think we need to compare the two organizations. It surprised Alanon had a problem. you know. i think it didn't have as well. Maybe i shouldn't say this that. The more the more that none box gets the more certain. Evangelical elements rev up their efforts to get christianity everywhere. And i don't know what all goes into the decision of the conference to not list meetings with atheist. Agnostics secular anything that would attract people the people who need it. I don't know what goes into that. I know not with the rationale. It's probably it doesn't really matter anyway. I mean things will happen and develop on their own anyway. So and that's what's that's what's going on now anyway really really interesting conversation is. There's anything that we should touch on that. I'm that i missed anyone who has thought about or thinks it might want to start a secular alanon. Meeting now is an excellent time to do it. Now when everyone is looking to zoom is easy you don't have to find a space that was always the hardest part is finding a place to meet is easy now and there are a bunch of out there so now the time. That's a good point. So i'll inca when we post the podcast that way people can get in touch with you. Who might want to start meetings. That'd be necessary. Thanks steve much. Well that's it. That's another episode of aa beyond belief. The podcast. thank you so much for listening. If you'd like to help out our website and podcasts. There's a couple of ways you can do that. First of all over the patriots dot com slash beyond belief and become a patron of our podcast. i've recently updated some of the benefits for patrons So you might want to check that out. You can also donate through. Pay pal it. 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Know Your Options for Where to Give Birth

Birthful

10:18 min | 2 months ago

Know Your Options for Where to Give Birth

"Hello my parents and parents to be annalisa. And you're listening to breath fall and today just like every other week among my own taking about ten minutes to talk to you one on one about a topic that i want dive deeper into this week. It's going to be your options of where to give birth now ninety eight percent of births and the us hospital and while this is true many people don't know that they have other options but because physiological birth flows. Best when you feel safe supported love. If you don't necessarily feel safe in a hospital then you might want to explore options now. Since the beginning of the pandemic there has been a higher demand for out of hospital births with many breath practices booked full months in advance even as their phones. Keep ringing off the hook and the number of planned unassisted home. But it's or free. Birds seems to also be on the increase and maybe this is because of the also increased fear of hospitals and then maybe not being able to find a hamburg midwife or brits center where to give birth so i'm gonna do a quick rundown of how each breath setting differs. And i wanna make sure you know. I'm not gonna talk about safety because that is a very detailed and nuanced conversation for another day. But i will say that the research shows that if you have a low risk full term pregnancy all birth settings carries similar risks and the decision of what places right for. You is a highly personal one. So let's start with the hospital about ninety percent of births happen in the hospitals in the us and it's the most widely available option although there are significant holes and rural and urban settings. The leave many in health desserts with no good options. If you are going to a hospital it is because hospitals serve people who are low risk and also people who are high risks and those are about fifteen percent of all the people at hospitals and also in hospitals. Most of the providers are obese so about eighty six percent of them. Although there are some mixed practices and some full mid with free practices hospitals are of course the most medical is option. And the one where you're also gonna get more interventions and more limits to what you can do limiting your choices so you might have to follow protocol and get continuous monitoring and limit what you drink an e maybe limit. Your movement have lots of cervical checks. Lots of people's and go through triage. Which is this limbo between staying and going and you can't just cocoon into your bursts because you don't know what you're gonna do so that is also an interruption. Also very few of them allow waterbirds as an option hospital. Births tend to be covered by insurance and in terms of interventions. You have to then figure out that you are going somewhere you clearly have to figure out during your labor one to go to the hospital and usually you can't go home before twenty four hours because they want observed the baby for that long. Today's episode is brought to you by beekeepers naturals creators of clean science back remedies. That naturally support your daily health for example there be sued. Cough syrup tastes nothing like yucky. Artificial cherry tasting cough syrups week up because it contains no drugs dies or refined sugars. Instead beast is made up of powerful immune supporters pure buckwheat honey albury chug mushroom. Be propolis and olive leaf extract. We love it and take it toward itchy throats. Beekeepers natural has other amazing products. Like there be powered. Honey which is a therapeutic. Blend of propolis royal jelly bee pollen to support all day energy and your immune system checkup beekeepers natural try beasts who've cough syrup before it sells out fifteen percent on your first starter today by going to beekeepers naturals dot com slash birth full. That's b. e. k. e. p. e. r. s. m. a. t. u. r. a. l. s. dot com slash birth foale to get fifteen percent off now for birth centers only about point four percent of brits in the us happen in breath centers even though they've been increasing since two thousand and four and you can have two types of bread centers. One is a free standing center or one that is attached to a hospital but the ones that are attached to a hospital. Be careful that they you. What you want is units. That are autonomous and run by midwives and not just redecorated ob wings. Usually brits centers only take patients that are healthy low risk and that definition can create limits of what can happen in a birth centre so often no twins no breach. No people with diabetes no births after forty two weeks and novi backs. Although that varies from center to center birth centers tend to be midwives lead with a nurse and it does provide for high continuity of family centered. Care you are definitely connected with your provider. There is medical equipment available at the birth center. But you will experience less interventions and if you are looking to have an petrol at any point then that would require a transferred to the hospital although some birth centers may have the option of nitrous oxide so laughing gas and in general will focus on non medicated comfort measures to help you through the process. A transfer to a hospital from birth center is easier or tends to be easier than a transfer from home because they tend to have policies in place for easy continuity of care. And if you're having a brit center birth. The statistics are that about sixteen percent of them transferred to a hospital a center birth. You take the lead you move hover. You want. Eat whatever you want. The monitoring is usually intermittent and you have access to a water birth. You'll also have more privacy because it's more homelike but you still have to actually leave your home and go somewhere and figure out one year gonna leave so that is an intervention not all insurances cover breath center birth however the staff tends to know how to assist you what coverage payments you will end up having and you get to go home quicker usually around four to six hours and then your third option would be a home birth and in the us close to one percent of all births happen at home. The options there are an assisted births assisted by humbert midwives or an unassisted birth also known as a free verse. If you're having a birth assisted by midwives usually they can only serve populations that are healthy low risk and then that also creates definition of limits. Like a mentioned no twins no previous assyrians no breach you might find. Things vary depending on the midwife. And depending on the state with home births midwives usually get continuous care by smog group and they do bring tons of medical equipment with them including oxygen including ketosis. If needed so it's not like they show up with just you know their hands and little bag and they tend to travel impairs or have an assistant because one of them will be carrying for you and the other one for the baby if you are at home and want to have access to pay medications like an epidural than you would have to transfer to a hospital of homewards about thirty seven percent transferred to a hospital but those are non emergent if you've already had a baby them back. Transfer tends to be nine percent at a home birth. You'll have very few interruptions and complete control of the environment so you can decide if other kids are around It's super comfortable because you're already home so after you've given birth you're already ready to sleep in your bed and have all your amenities. You don't need to go anywhere. And you can have a water birth. If you so desire the homebase midwives leave a few hours after the baby has been born. And even though you don't have around the clock care they will visit you the day after you give birth and then again a few days later and maybe even more and finally humbert may not be covered by insurance and the costs does vary by location. Now obviously your choices will be limited to whether you're able to afford it if it's not covered by your insurance or if you don't have insurance and what's actually available around you. But given the numbers one thing is clear the us needs more out of hospital. Birth options with the current health desserts in rural and urban settings and interconnected web of home breath midwives brits centers and hospitals all working together and providing continuity of care in response to the individual pregnant person's health needs be an amazingly wonderful solution and one that other countries have shown works really well to take a step towards increasing birthplace of today. And especially if you're in rochester. New york. I encourage you to follow on instagram at radiant birth center and consider donating to make it a reality. You can connect with full on instagram at breath full podcast and to learn more about birth full and my birth and postpartum program classes go to bristol dot com bursa was created by me al anon assata and is a production of lengthy guar williamson coke. The show senior producer is alina velasco. Gentian is active director. Cedrick wilson is our lead producer. Codan tuxedo mixed this out. 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118- It's a Wonderful Life / Gigi

Recovery Happy Hour

45:55 min | 4 months ago

118- It's a Wonderful Life / Gigi

"You're listening to season six of the recovery. Happy hour podcast. Are you ready. Hold on your headphone. Let's do this. hi everyone. Welcome to recovery happy hour where we talk about life beyond the bottle and what happens after we stopped drinking. I'm your host tricia. Welcome to the last episode of twenty twenty. It's an emotional introduction and my ovaries are responsible for about seventy percent of that. Thank you for joining me. Well here we are my friends the last week of the year. We are so close to wrapping this one up in. Today's interview couldn't be more perfect to tie it all up into it. Pretty little bow. Today's interview is unique. Because we've got someone who's been sober for thirty five years. This is a person who spent their first thirty five ish years drinking and their second thirty five years recovering so equal parts drinking and recovering means. She's got a whole lot of wisdom to share and we are really lucky to get to hear it. It's an interview that i really want you to take the time to listen to in its entirety. Even if that means you need to come back later and finish it because the end of it is what inspired this introduction at. The end of her interview g. g. sheriff's with us that despite being on her third marriage when she last hot drink. She's about to celebrate her thirty first year of marriage with her fourth has been and it got me thinking a lot of things. I wasn't really sure how to package it into an introduction until i started watching the movie. It's a wonderful life. I've never actually seen the whole movie until yesterday. I know. I know it's like one of those films that everybody celebrates. Christmas is required to watch. But somehow i fell through the cracks so while watching this movie for the first time and crying my eyes out. I realized how the message of the film can be connected to today's episode. If you've never seen the movie a knocking to sum it up for you. I'm i going to encourage you to go. Get a big box of kleenex and go. Watch it yourself this download. We'll be here when you're finished. But in the movie george bailey. In a moment of desperation thinks about killing himself wishing he had never been born and this is when his guardian angel shows up and decides to show him what his life would have indeed been like if he had never been born. What would have happened to his town. His family his wife and kids. This is a man who spent his whole life helping other people and by him not being around. It meant that in this alternative outcome hundreds of people in his town would have ended up these tragic and sad and lonely lives because this selfless and caring man had always helped them. It becomes a sliding doors moment. You know one of those imaginary instances that you see in a movie where someone barely misses their train just after the doors slide shut and by not being on that train. It sets office series of events that changed the entire outcome of their life. It's a what if moment Choose your own adventure book full of scenarios that change depending on which page you pick and what decisions in your life. You make at any given moment as i listened to tell her story in today's interview i wondered how different her life have been had. She not made that one decision to try to stop drinking. Would she still have a phd which have written a book that helps people. Would she have dealt with her unaddressed. Childhood trauma and healed her heart which she moved to florida to retire and celebrate three decades of marriage with her husband. Which you've done this podcast. No the answer is probably no and all of these things. He's accomplishments life. Experiences and precious memories would have been non existent without that one decision. I want to challenge you. Is this year ends and we begin to start fresh to think about your own life in these terms. If you've listened to the show than you know. I've said many times. How making the one decision to not drink isn't where the change ends through. The change begins when you quit drinking and start recovering you dig into your brain to learn about who you really are. Who used to be and who you want to become. You learn the tools to help you make decisions differently healthier and with more bravery because you find out how strong you really are in these are changes that bleed over into every facet of your life creating little changes everywhere you look and and how you respond to everyone the you know these are your sliding doors moments. The things that fate changes the course of when you decide to stop doing one thing. That's making your life miserable. And that's the kind of thinking that i want you to challenge yourself with. Don't think about how you're gonna stay sober thirty years from now. Think about how many amazing things you can do in your lifetime when you're not held hostage by alcohol. If i hadn't quit drinking four years ago. I wouldn't be here telling you this. I wouldn't have been able to help complete strangers. You know figure out how to live a happier life. Those people wouldn't have helped the people that they know to stop drinking. It's a chain reaction that begins a series of events these sliding doors moments become exponential changing little destiny's far beyond what we can see towards the end of it's a wonderful life about four soaked tissues and then my ugly cry in after the main character sees how much worse life would have been if he had never been born the angel. Explains you see george. You really had a wonderful life. Don't you see what a mistake it would be to thrown it all away and george stands there on the side of a snowy bridge having considered jumping to his death into the icy waters below and says i want to live again. Please god let me live again. When you say no to alcohol you say yes to a big giant full life that will be so much larger than you realize right now because the pieces start to fall into place only after you stop drinking for a little while. Judy talks about this and her interview. About how each decade of sobriety was like being able to pick up a heavier weight. That only seems to come along once. You're strong enough to handle it. I hope that you choose to embrace it. You deserve a wonderful life in that. Only one decision stands in between you and that life so when you decide to stop drinking start dreaming big let your big dreams carry you through the tough spots because there will be many but when you're through those tough spots dream even bigger because it really is a wonderful life before we talked to g g a quick reminder that if you love what you hear please take a moment to leave a five star rating and write a nice review on apple podcasts. 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Try better help dot com slash recovery. Our that's better h. e. l. p. to take charge of your mental health today and my listeners can take advantage of ten percent off your first month at try better help dot com slash recovery. Our all right. Today's interview is released. Special gee-gee langer has been sober for thirty. Four years used a twelve step program but what is so wonderful about. Her story is all of the other resources that she's used to do. Even deeper healing. We talk about energy work. Inner child healing topping Rural linguistic reprogramming. Meditation cranial sacred healing and outta jillian really incredible books to read all of which are linked in the show notes. This is proof that healing goes on forever and that your recovery won't look the same forever. Either she is the author of the book fifty ways to worry less now and is retired in florida with her husband. It was an absolute joy to get to know her. Here's digi langer hygiene. How are you. I am great. I'm so glad to be here. And yeah i'm so excited to be having recovery. Happy hour with you today. Thank you for taking the time to to share your story of recovery. I'm going to start this interview. The same way i start every interview and that is what is your name and your sobriety date and would you have described yourself as a high or low functioning drinker when you were drinking langer smy name and my sobriety date is february. Eleventh nineteen eighty six. And i was still a high functioning. I except in the area of romance in the area romance. I was extremely low functioning. I mean are we ever high functioning their love and logic those two things. Just don't mix well well. Why don't we just say that to other people. It looked like i was high functioning dairy cow. Mary go. I think i'll i think all of the above is super relatable before we get into your story. Tell me real quick just about what you're doing right now where you live. How old you are what you do for a living family hobbies anything like that. I'm retired. And i'm a little over seventy and i live in southwest florida. I grew up outside of chicago area and then travelled all over in my rambunctious years twenties and thirties. And most of my time. I've lived in michigan for the last several years just this summer. My husband and i moved down to florida. We have a little condo here. We have our kitty with us. And i don't have any children. Because i couldn't stay married long enough and snow grandchildren. So yeah life is good. I don't know what else you asked me. I think that hobbies. What do you like to do for fun right now. In south florida. Play a little golf You know. I have a blog and a lot of service work and a a nonprofit. I'm on that helps. Connect women in sobriety and i do a newsletter and i'm working on another a workbook for how to worry less and my husband and i play we. We just have a good time yeah. I'm very grateful that is fantastic. We'll let's get into your story and in five ten minutes or less. Tell us how long you drink. Tell us how long it was a problem and why you decided to stop you know. It really wasn't a problem for a long time in high school. I got drunk really drunk once and got deathly ill and had a blackout and everybody said how fun. I was a couple of times in college. I got drunk and did not stupid things. And and then i got married and started a teaching career and and he didn't really drink so i drank very little toward the end of that that it. It's kind of a long story about that marriage. But anyway i was very desperate at the end and i discovered marijuana so in my you know. Twenty three or so. I discovered that marijuana killed the emotional pain that i was going through. I really preferred marijuana. I could drink about six. Or seven beers. You know and i got through grad school by getting high and at night to ease the stress and it was really when i was around thirty four years. Old let's see. I had already been divorced twice. I was finishing my doctorate. I had gotten through that with the aid of drugs and alcohol just to calm anxiety and And i lived with two other guys long term. And so i met this guy who was different from all the other guys and i thought. Oh this is. The john and i moved to michigan and we got married very fast and within nine months of marrying him. I went to a bar picked up a stranger and he had marijuana and i started having this affair. You know with this guy. And and i went out to bars a couple of more times when my husband was traveling. My third house but my new you know went home with strangers. Finally i went running to a psychologist. I said what is wrong. With this problem. I have a brand new phd from stanford. And i have this private cd life and my professional life is looking better and better in my private life was worse and worse and he said well you're in the early stages of alcoholism you know. He got my family history and He said just try for a month or two. Try having one or two drinks but stopping and see what happens. Well sure enough. I tried to do his experiment. And sometimes i have two drinks and stop just like a normal drinker. Other times i would have the two drinks and then it was third drink and fourth rank and pick up the stranger and do crazy things that no one could get me to leave and eventually it. I could see the pattern very clearly. That if i had even one drink i could not trust myself to do really dangerous things for myself and other people and so and also i was in a lot of emotional pain for you. Know mid thirties takas. Click clock is ticking. No children another impending divorce. You know. i was pretty happy camper so one day and it was a moment of pure grace. That third husband asked me. What would happen if this was the last drink. You of her head. And i thought and the next day he went to an alanon meeting and i went to an aa meeting and that was nine thousand nine hundred eighty six with you know the room full of smoke mostly men and i still totally related to everybody in there and felt like i had found something that was going to help me find sanity. It took a while to get into the program into really trust it. But that's how i got to my first meeting. Yeah so was it your husband's idea. He's the one to. He suggests that he go to the al anon meeting that you go to the twelfth step meeting like he actually initiated that i. Yeah i knew about twelve step meetings for alcoholism. But i had never been to one. I hadn't really. I don't think i had considered going to one. Maybe my therapist had had mentioned it once. I completed the experiment and admitted that i was an alcoholic. I also had an evaluation. Because i said to my hus- my then husband. I said i don't have a problem. I'll go to a hospital an addiction. They i'll go to them. You'll see. I don't have a problem so we went and the guy was great. He looked at my husband and he said well. You have a major problem with control. Which i loved hearing any looked at me and he said you have a disease that will be fatal if you don't do anything about it now and it runs in your family and it's not gonna leave you unless you change your life that got my attention. Wow so what happened. Once he started going to the twelve step meetings. What were you tell me about that. First year. What was that like tummy. Like what kind of cope new coping tools. You were figuring out. I was still in that marriage because I did hear the words. Don't make any big decisions. And i had that therapist. I was working with. So i went to maybe two or three meetings a week for about six months and i did not get a sponsor and i did not drink however i was seeing fairly quickly that if i wanted to have what those the winners had the people who are really happy and had a lot of time that i was going to have to do what they were doing and they were suggesting that i go to at least five or six meetings so we can get a sponsor. Well i did not think was worth anybody's time and found it very hard to ask someone to be my sponsor i had been going to one nonsmoking meeting with women that i really liked on saturday morning and i had heard a woman there who just spoke you know her. Way of talking about spirituality and the program. I really really liked. So i asked her and she said yeah so when she and i did that. Third step prayer together. I think it was the first time i ever really said the most sincere prayer of my life and the part of it that i love the most is relieved me of the bondage of self that i made better do by will of course at that stage in my first year recovery. All i wanted was relieved me of the bondage of solve so i could feel better But that was the first time. I admitted to myself that i had been seeking some kind of a higher power. I wanted to believe in something. But of course i wanted to do it on my terms and the good news was that you know people around the table said no problem you can define your higher power anyway you want and you can find it anyway. You want Talk to me about what happened after that first year. Well in that first year. I i did Do a fourth my first fourth and fifth step. But i also discovered how much negative self talk i had and how little i thought of myself so when i started working steps six and seven it was really self. Condemnation was one of the big Character defects. I'm not sure how i thought about this. My therapist had given me that book. Feel feeling good or feel good by somebody burns. It was the first book on that was popular that was on cognitive restructuring. Cognitive therapy changing your thinking and maybe it was in there but anyway i realized that i needed help and so i got a self hypnosis tapes and it got me into a relaxed state and then i mean those silly things. I'm lovable people like me. You know i mean now but now we call it. Just neuro plasticity. you know. That's really changing the way that your brain thing and it's absolutely possible by hearing the same positive thing over and over again you know the the phrasing changes over the years. But it's the same concept. Same great concept yes. It is and it's interesting because that concept of the way we talk to ourselves ultimately. I started calling it. My whispered lies but it really was the first time i realized that. Oh my gosh. I can reprogram my mind and i did start feeling better about myself. You know because how could you not. You're going five or six days a week. You're sitting for an hour with women and men often who are talking hopeful stuff positive stuff and talking about their bad times and how they got through them and stopping to give you some hope at the end of the meeting and you know to me. It was like taking love bath. I had been looking for love and acceptance every single minute of my life up until that point you know trying to get it through degrees trying to get it through romance trying to get it through sports grades you know an It was just such a relief to be in such a loving environment. I know that you had a big shift after that first year once he started kind of doing the mental work upstairs. Do you feel like there was a appoint when everything really started to click. Does anything standout like. As a a moment we start connecting with some weird saying you know we will intuitively know how to handle situations that use tabatha. Lost those that intuitive. Maybe it's god's voice higher power voice like a true self starts growing to be the dominant voice. Rather than the self-centered fearful self it. So i would say in that. Second year i started growing that true self. And here's what came into my life. Has one of those serendipity intuitive things i had a wonderful mentor in grad school. And i asked her one day how she found so much peace of mind and she mentioned to me that she studied something called a course in miracles. Well at that point it had only been published for maybe five years and this was nineteen eighty. Well lo and behold when i asked my sponsor to be my sponsor it turned out that she was also a student of a course in miracles so i joined her study group in that second year and i think that's where i started realizing that my higher power i could ask my higher power to overcome my negative thinking that it wasn't just a matter of cognitive reprogram being but there was something magical. That could happen. When i caught myself being negative or defeatist. I could ask my higher power to help me see it differently. And that became a huge tool which is almost the same as the golden key tool that we learned in the program. But the gist of it. Is that when we notice ourselves thinking worrying projecting regretting you know the the whispered lies are driving the us all we have to do is notice that and then turn our thinking and emmett. Fox's version we turn our thinking to god and we think of as many attributes of god or different names of god so it's kind of occupying my mind with a different task than worrying that requires me to think of different names of got even slogans or saying the serenity prayer. You know when we turn our thoughts away from the worry and fear and toward are higher power. Anything that's a positive image arose or a sunset. It's a very powerful technique because again it is mind control away. Yeah you're retraining your brain. Yeah and when. I control my mind. I'm putting it in the hands of my higher power so there's the twofer you know. Yeah exactly it's too system one. Yeah one heart. science one. Part one part spirituality mix them in a blender and you've got a recovery smoothie right. Yeah that's right. I love that. I'm gonna i'm gonna ask and i go back to basics for a second year. If drinking is but a symptom did you. When did you get to that point of the cause of why you were drinking and did you figure out that 'cause like basically when did you figure out it wasn't about the alcohol. Oh well. I was in therapy. And after the first fourth and fifth step it was obvious you know. I like to talk about the healing in layers Because it's like my higher power. When i said the third step prayer it was like okay. I'm in your care and you're going to direct my recovery. And i'm going to do the footwork but i'm not gonna try to jump ahead or i'm going to let it happen at the pace that you think is best for me. The my first fourth and fifth and sixth and seventh eighth and ninth was like lifting a five pound weight. I just looked at alcoholism and my shitty self image and then being in therapy and living an honest life and being at meetings started hearing about adult children of alcoholics. And i thought oh my god i had never really. We joked about how crazy our family was. But it was not funny. It scared the shit out of me as a little kid. I had never owned that. So i would say that was the second layer of healing i worked through. I went to a Family of origin healing weekend and grieved a lot of that stuff. My therapist was very helpful in with the Inner child work that i could. You know i was growing and whether we think that's a trite term. The point is the point. Is that works first of all. I've done too so dawn again. Tastic i was growing a healthy gee-gee who could take care of me with a higher power to guide her and so the little afraid she g that thought we were always fucking up you know i could talk to her and say you know we're getting good at this things. We have some tools. We have a higher power. We can pick up the phone. I went to adult children of alcoholics twelve step meetings and when i saw that i list of all the characteristics of children from alcoholic homes just about died because i was out check. Check check. yup that's me. And then i felt so discouraged. Thought because don't we have that belief that the way we are and have been is permanent right. Oh we think everything's permanent. Yes brains try so hard to make everything permanent and quite often. I asked my sponsor instead of i learned to say this to instead of saying i always duke blah blah blah. I say up until now. I have always been a perfectionist. No up until now. I've had this problem. And i have to say that the perfectionist thing was one of the major character defects. That came out of that work for adult children of alcoholics. And i'll put the linked for the listeners. I'll put the link to the acoa website. It's like boot camp for for alcohol so many of us. Yeah and the perfectionism is just common thread with all of us. I love the specifically mentioned that one. You know in thirty five years. It'll be thirty five years in february. Right thirty yeah. That's a big chunk of time. Do you see any sort of trends. On like a big focus of that first decade a big focus on that second decade the big focus was on the third decade. Like if you look back on all that data what what kind of stands out the most. In those those ten year chunks of time the first decade you know when in eleven step prayer make me a channel of peace. And if you think of us as having a channel through our head and into our heart and then out toward others my channel was all blocked up with rocks and shame and so on so i would say the first decade was about healing that shame and and all the self not all the self limiting beliefs. I discovered some later but it was in my tenth. Year are my first ten years. That i found the third layer of healing which was not like the five pound weight with the first layer. Not like the ten pound weight with a second layer. My higher power had not allowed me to know this about myself. Apparently until i had grown enough to lift the fifteen pound weight. Which was my father's inappropriate sexual touching of all of us girls. When i realized that had happened through justice serendipity thing. I didn't know the specifics. But i went running to a therapist that had you know that as a specialty and so that was also in that first ten years where the anxiety of never feeling safe of you know. Something's gonna come and get me and so on i. She had a sexual healing group in. Oh man i did a lot of work. Can shed a lot of tears in that healing. You know. that was a big blockage for me. Because i felt like i had invited it and therefore i was a bad girl right you were. You're carrying a blame for down. Time of shame was riding around in my body. And that's when. I discovered all kinds of energy work. The tapping an cranial sacral therapy and because my therapist and i work several years know toward the few years after we kinda did all the hard work she said. I really think what would be most helpful to you. Now is energy. Letting you're letting god love you. Allowing god's love in was quite an astonishing thing for a therapist to say at this point are into recovery. Are we about eight years. I know that you have so many. Modalities you've experimented with and that you've used. I think this is always really encouraging people to hear the fact that recovery doesn't have to be going to twelve step meeting every day. You know recovery can be trying all kinds of things as it should all types of out trained professionals. You know and i hope that the that the listeners are encouraged by this. You know that doesn't mean having to go to a meeting in a basement for thirty five years you know and it's because we're on the spiritual path which the foundation is the meeting so working the steps with our sponsor and the service and the prayer and meditation and reading the literature. But because we're on this path things come in at just the right moment when we're ready for An issue like realizing about the sexual abuse or a resource a book. I mean a guy ran across a parking lot to tell me about radical forgiveness which is almost amazing book for healing. And you know all these different tools. I think they really do come to us. And i one of the points. I wanted to make i think sometimes people hesitate to really chump in to therapy or the program because my fear was that if i pulled the band aid off all the pain that i knew was down there would come gushing out at once and overwhelm me and that is not what happened. My higher power had me only lift the five pound weight i nine and then there was another layer. You know sure. It's scary seeing the new layers but you have a support system by then and every time you lift a five pound weight you gain strength and so you go to that heavier weight next time with more strength to do it and you continue and you continue and i remember just before i quit. Well yeah look. That's probably two or three years before. I quit when i knew i had a problem. That was going to have to quit some day but trying to think ahead like plan out every possible circumstance in my head so i could be ready from it or you know. Be ready for it as if my alcohol soaked brain could possibly handle any of that. You know it's like i. You get rid of the poison in your body so your brain can fully function you know and then you start building the coping tools and then you start learning how to manage your emotions and the things that i am doing now like. I'm just four years into this thing that i'm doing now like four years ago my brain couldn't even comprehend the way that i think now and i just again. I want to encourage everybody that like. You don't have to know everything about about everything before he stopped drinking. It's all going to come at the right time. And it's gonna come when you're ready for it and you just got to face that day you know you don't have to know about it. You know a thousand days in advance. We can't possibly. We can't possibly live our lives like that in any other arena. So why would it be any different for drinking right touch me about that second decade. What would you say. What was the sort of the key element there that you're learning. Then i realized my what my normal running operation was. I was in a career at a university. And i was I was fiercely competitive. I was trying to be number one. I was a perfectionist. I worried about. Thanks and i wanted to control everything as if my name was on the building and saw the second decade psych. All the real dramatic shut out of the way. Now this is like okay now. We're left with how my mind works. And i have to say it was in the second decade that i did some more energy work. I had to frozen shoulders at the same time in the second decade of recovery and they were constantly sore and i sought help from an energy worker. I started realizing that. I had this death grip on life. Like if i tried hard enough. I could make things happen the way i wanted them to. And i'd heard people talk about that. And i'd heard live and let live and let go and let god and so on and i was doing it to the best of my ability and i realized that my mental chatter was all about either regretting the past or projecting into the future and trying to figure out how things ought to be and then i had this illness that went on for two years where i could couldn't raise my arms above my shoulders mean even above my waist and i had i could hardly drive my car and so on and that chronic pain really got me humble because i couldn't do a thing about it. Well i did by normal thing right rush around every single doctor and try to get the best. Which is you know. good self care. I would. My thinking was driving me crazy. Well my thinking was made up of defenses right. This happened because of that. And therefore if i do this in the future i'll fix it or this shouldn't have happened and it should have happened this way next week. You know trying to manage everything in an imaginary world. That wasn't even happening in the moment. Yeah didn't even exist so discovering the power of now discovering meditation discovering being still. There's a wonderful book by pama. Children called when things fall are yup yup and things were falling apart for me because my body wouldn't let me do a lot of what i wanted to when i read her book. And she said just be sitting with the pain in acceptance and loving abiding it just totally transformed it. And then she said you know so many of us think we're all alone. Were the only ones that i've ever had at this bad. And we're not we're connected with one another in love and spirit and so on and love. That i love that. Tell me about. Tell me about decade three. What stands out. The healing really started paying off in terms of me for example at work. I had been a workaholic. And as i did this healing work. I found myself saying when someone asks me to do extra work on a committee. I asked for compensation time You know which i had never done before. I was in a. I had a fulltime job at the university and a consulting job with a partner. And i started setting some limits there in terms of my quote trying to take care of her because i loved her dearly an oh seven i retired. It was quite a shock. Because i wasn't racing around all the time and i had to go through that period of who's chichi if she's not this you know professor la la and it was such a great time because i had these tools and so i wasn't worried about it. You know i could journal about it and rest and know that you know. This wasn't the end of my productivity. That god was going to do something interesting with the rest of my life. And and i start and i had always loved writing but i had professional sterile professional research writing before so i joined writing group and i started writing some of things that i'd read memory side had experiences and and then i got this nudge that i wanted to write a book and i thought at first it was going to be a memoir because during my twenties and thirties with all those different husbands i got to live in lots of different places adventures. One day my husband said to me he said you know. I know you're interested in writing a memoir. But i hear what you're saying to your sponsor some people on the phone and i'm wondering if you might put some of that stuff in a book and then i thought oh a self help book of course because all these things we've learned in these twelve step programs are so useful for anybody and i had discovered these energy tools and cognitive reprogramming and spiritual tools. Someone sent me to a woman who was her aunt. Who was the first person. I've ever met who did energy work. And she had been a traditional therapist and she almost put herself out of business by doing energy work because it was so quick and she wrote a fabulous little book that she self published. And i read her book and i thought this is exactly the kind of book i want to write. Things just started falling in place. So i would say that Third decade was about Writing the book getting facing the fear working with the whisper lies that came up. You know you can't tell the story they're going to think you're neurotic you know Tell us where we can find the book. I know you've got more than than one. Now tell me tell the listeners where they can find these books where we can learn more about you and your story and and know what you're up to you right now. I have a website and that's the easiest way to find it and that's gee-gee languor dot com so that'll be in the show notes. The book is on amazon. It's called fifty ways to worry less now. Reject negative thinking to find peace clarity and connection and that is the book and then I'm getting ready to launch a video. Course along the same lines with a workbook that goes along with worry. Less now eleven. I have a blog which you can find on my website. And i you know i'm on facebook and twitter and lots of places we'll put all the links and the show notes and i cannot wait to type up all of these amazing book. Titles you've dropped the limit that you've read over the years because like you've hit on some good ones so i can't wait for anyone. That's her these wait. What was that book called again. I'll put them all in the show notes. So they'll all be there. Gee-gee what advice would you give to the person who still considering quitting drinking. And they don't know where to start. What would you tell them. Just do it. You know it's funny. I don't know that we could force ourselves to be willing. But i think that very first meeting that we walk into or go to on soom. It is an act of willpower on our part and it takes admitting that the way. I've been running. My life is just not working and i'd like the rest of my life to be a lot happier than it's been and i think anyone you talk to who were to twelve step program diligently would say and other recovery programs to would say that you won't believe how fabulous your life gets you know i'm happily married to my fourth husband. We just had our thirty one year anniversary in with that husband. I was with. When i first got sober any dream you have about how you want your life to be will or something better. Well happen reality. Isn't that bad. it's actually pretty darn great and being clear being clear for it is such a wonderful thing. So it's perfect. That's all brilliant advice. Thank you for that and ggv. Thank you so much for taking the time to sit down with us today and Share your breadth of knowledge. Thank you for that and For writing a book i will. I'll put links to all these in the show notes and it has been such a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time. Oh my pleasure patricia. That's all for today's episode. Thank you so much for having recovery. Happy hour with me. If you'd like to check out any of the leaks mentioned in this episode scroll down to the show notes under this episode on your podcast app or visit recovery. Happy hour dot com. That's also where you can find out more about upcoming events. Listen to the archive or donate to the podcast. And if you're listening on apple podcast please take a moment to rate and leave a review as that really helps get the word out about the show. I'll see you next week when we dive further in a life beyond the bottle. Because it's a life worth living cenex time. Recovery happy hour is not affiliated with any twelve step programs treatments honors organizations. But you've heard our interviewees talk about specifics. Help them get sober. 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 Covid-19: what can we learn from Manaus?

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Covid-19: what can we learn from Manaus?

"The garden in the northwest brazil. The rainforests city of manaus sits remote alongside the river as it flows to the pacific ocean flying the mouth of wonderful experience. Because you just explain really low over the canopy of the trees sort of wonder i landau where the plane might actually land analysis a very long way from the rest of the brazil. It is the biggest city in the brazilian amazon. The south american city about two two point something million people. There is some spectacular historic jack to they're gorgeous opera house that was built back then and now it's a sort of chumming. Bustling slightly rundown in outs Very humid rainforest city which is surrounded on all sides by jungle. Unfortunately for much the past year now suspending crisis as covid nineteen has rampaged through the city. I latin america correspondent. Tom phillips has been following the situation there but also is one of the american cities that was hit. I bike around virus. It started making big headlines lost when we started noticing through official figures that what was going on in the graveyard said there was a real problem bad that authorities started using diggers to to call mass graves at the cemetery into which offerings were piled one on the other and then in june things seem to settle in those numbers fell away as the epidemic spread through other parts of brazil despite suggestions from scientists and then politicians that there might be herd. Immunity cases began to creep up once again by mid-september. You've got epidemiologists in manila. Not all of them but some sanger. We really need another lockdown real walking back into another disaster second second big tragedy in less than a year. one Speaking to he has been cooling in these weekday bulletins since mid-september. Four those kinds of containment measures to be introduced that did not happen much to his despair then just before christmas when they should sit on al anon across brazil. Actually warning that because of the christmas festivities and the end of the new year's parties there'd be lots of family get togethers and body. A life was pretending to normal that this would be a disaster. There was an attempt just before christmas. To get a lockdown in place in my house that was scrapped because of street protests which egged on by supporters of brazil's president including one of his sons and the result was that in the first week of january. There was what defeat grace placebo explosive and the hostile system numbers deaths when infections. Just shot up. The hospitals public and private run out to gawk civilian and you had earned scenes of desperate relatives trying to find oxygen canisters for their loved ones in the mid to hospitals. We we heard them so images of medics falling manual ventilation patients on lebed's floor to keep those people alive in part. The ongoing emergency has been due to brazil's response to the pandemic have been nine million confirmed cases of covid nineteen in the country and according to academics. The federal government's denial of science has led to an absence of public health measures. No national plan to combat the pandemic and inadequate financial medical aid. Brazil government has taken a really perplexing Expected solves towards the pandemic. Since we have the first cases here. Last february the president of brazil scenario from the from the outset pretty much played down the names of coronavirus sequel A little flew the shunned mosques protests. He went to me to support it in the streets. Even as the numbers of infections and deaths went up and up and up brazil now has the second highest official told in the world. Well over two hundred thousand deaths and we are moving into what looks to be particularly painful. Second wave with really really diocese coming out of the amazon despite all of this despite all the evidence pointing to a really rookie ahead both and others continued with denies. Just a few weeks ago he said oh you know we need the end of this thing over and then just a few days. Later you see scenes about sleep pales in the yet for epidemiologist. What has happened in manaus raises very serious question. If infection rates were so high in the first wave why has the city been so badly hit by a second. And what could it tell us about. Immunity new viral variants. And how we can finally come through the pandemic. It makes it very clear that we can't rely on our perceptions of what this virus isn't what if fangio gets a cautionary tale that many are the country's needs to look at and sink carefully about their strategies because there is no way to live at the virus. I'm sarah bosley and this is science weekly to explore what might be behind manassas. Terrible second wave of infections. I spoke to clinical epidemiologist and senior lecturer at queen. Mary university of london doctor deep. T good manas is an example of a largely unmitigated pandemic so it's what happens when minimal interventions are place and what we saw during the first way was lots swathes of the population got infected. So it's estimated that by october Last year that's twenty twenty about seventy six percent of the population had been exposed and infected by the virus at some point in time. Of course we have to remember that these are estimates in that. These were estimated from the problems of anti bodies among people who had donated blood and we know that. Antibodies weighed in overtime so the results from the tests were corrected for this winning overtime as well as low sensitivity of these tests because we know that they don't capture infection in one hundred percent of people who are tested having said that it was halley. Madonna's which might not be representative of the general population but because we're testing for antibodies. The tests are reliable enough themselves. You know we're not look at infection directly. He always looking at exposure in the past so now manaus as if it hadn't suffered enough is seeing this huge second-wave even though at those levels of prior infection we might expect some kind of herd immunity. Can you think why this might be. Yes this question. I think that's concerning. Many people are happy belgian public health. I think there are a number of reasons. One of the reasons might be that the estimate of seventy six percent is not really representative and it's overestimated while that is possible. It is very likely even from the data estimates. We have in the study that the majority of the population has been infected so it s rather surprising to see the surge infections. We are seeing at the moment. The other reasons could be that we know that there is a new variant in manaus potentially more transmissible its shares some of the mutations for example but the uk may have been intended so call south africa variance that are also more transmissible. When a virus is transmissible the hood Threshold becomes higher so it could be that Threshold is higher than seventy six percent. That could be the reason why people are still getting infected and the our number still while about one. The reason could be that immunity through natural infection may not be as long lasting as we think so. All the seventy six percent of people may have been exposed. Not all of them will be immune to disease. So it could be that we haven't reached the domenici threshold us simply because people who've been exposed haven't been fully immune the third reason could be that the new variant in monogamous which again shares and other particular mutation with The so called south africa has been associated with escape from antibodies directed at the previous video. This is really important because it suggests that potentially the virus could escape immune response directed at the previous weightage which means that people may be more likely for example to get reinfected because people who were previously. I guess commune may no longer be new to this. So it's sort of like the virus finding a new population. That's more susceptible of all of this conjecture. We don't really know what the reason is that. I think all of these need to be considered and we need to urgently study does because this will tell us a lot about what lies in the future for many other countries. Potentially you said that. The antibodies from the previous infection may possibly not be working now. Because you've got this escape going on. Is it possible at all that the protection from those. Antibodies faded away in the very short space of time. Actually since that epidemic was at its height in october. That's certainly possible if we look at reinfection. Certainly they've been fewer infections reported across the board but we need to remember. That reinfection is only confirmed when we actually have vital sequence of recorded in people active different points. In time i were able to show that the virus is distinct. Let's remember that most people who may have infection are likely for not have been destined the first wave nobody unlikely to have whole sequence of virus to compare so we need to remember. The reinfection have documented of betty muster tip of the iceberg if you look at reinfection studies of reinfection within the uk for example in healthcare workers refined that even those who were exposed to the virus infected with virus previously can get reinfected although they get reinfected less frequently than people who were not exposed at all there is still a risk of reinfection so immunity wayne overtime. At least in some people. And it's very clear that you know. There's not complete protection conferred to everyone who's infected so it just possible that people who infection the first wave did not have lasting immunity over of six months and could have been reinfected again even with the same virus way. Didn't of course. Now that we're talking about a different radiant. It's also possible that even if they will immune to the previous into virus may not have been immune to the new venture fibers. Can you tell us a little bit about the new variant in mouse. What do we know about it in terms of what the mutations are and is it. Typical of the various receive in brazil or is it more like the south african. One for instance so. the barrington. Manav has arisen independently of evidence in other parts of the world. But it does have mutations common. Both with the uk variant and the south africa radiant. It is distinct from The brazilian in that it has the e four it fourcade mutation dominant and this is a particular mutation. We've been quite concerned about and has been associated with escape from antibodies in the laboratory directed towards the previous page of virus. This particular variant is not neutralised as well but antibodies from people who were infected with The previous reign of artists during the first wave and that's concerning many levels because it could mean for example that people who have been infected before are still susceptible to this new strain because they immune response doesn't sufficiently utilize it. It also raises questions about vaccine effectiveness which are being studied actively at the moment. Where you're seeing here is essentially the virus. It will in many different parts of the world but with mutations that are very similar and this happens when devices adapting and these mutations are likely to be favorable to the virus which virus seeing them popping up again and again but it's very clear that the past the mutation has been different and distinct in different parts of the world fact. this high level of natural immunity doesn't seem to have actually given the city much protection against the second wave. What does that tell us about. How countries should be moving for themselves out of lockdowns and restrictions. I think it really highlights that we can't rely on herd immunity. We certainly contraband community through natural infection and even terms of relying on her immunity through vaccines. We need to be careful. Because it's very clear that one you know. The herd immunity threshold may be higher than anticipated and might be difficult to reach even with vaccination of the entire population and to there is potential for virus adaptation as the virus Adapts a hood. Immunity may not be relevant because it doesn't transfer over to new virus variants that can potentially escape immune response to previous variance. So i think we need to understand that to really get on top of this the strategy we have to follow israeli suppression of the virus in every way possible and animation. Because unless we do that it's very likely will have to live with the rice because it will become endemic and it's very likely that we will continue to see surges of the virus with devastating consequences like the ones that are being seen in mouse. At the moment people used to talk rather blithely about the prospect of herd immunity wants enough people had been infected with this virus those experience of banal actually in dismiss this idea. Now i mean it certainly shows one that. The impact of trying to achieve her community by natural infection has devastating consequences. If you just look at the number of deaths and manhours bo population. They're huge so the cost of trying to achieve In this way already clear but the second thing that it really brings up is that there is no guarantee that her dignity will be achieved even with these huge costs even with large proportions of the population being exposed so trying to achieve her demure mutating. This way to natural infection was always a gamble but it also tells us that we may not be able to rely on achieving hood immunity even with our vaccine resources and we really need to look at other ways of eliminating device alongside vaccines. I do want to say that vaccines are hugely important. Part of this but given that we don't understand their effectiveness in terms of reducing infection and transmission. We cannot rely on them to actually eliminate stop infection. Infection is likely to continue even as we do not vaccination a we can expect that we will eliminate this virus vaccination alone within six months. That's just not realistic strategy. What do you think we should be learning from. What's happening at the moment. We need to learn that. The costs of unmitigated transmission are huge. And it's not just you know to the the people the number of debts the devastation the economy but it also means that it allows adaptation of the virus and events. Such as the ones we've seen in manila's wear now there's a new range of ours that is potentially more transmissible and maybe able to escape immune response. It makes it very clear that we contra lie on our perceptions of what this virus is and what it can do without evidence to really back that up. I mean we've heard proponents of hood immunity for a long time. Talk about shielding or focus protection of vulnerable populations and letting this pandemic go through younger members of the population because that would achieve herd immunity and bring an end to the pandemic. That never happened in any part of the world. What we've consistently seen is that when transmission is allowed to spread at such a high rate it always spreads from younger people to those who are via shielding with all the devastating impacts of that which is hospitals being full. Lots of people dying and now. Of course we're seeing new virus adaptation as well which is also consequences of unmitigated transmission. It's a cautionary tale. That many other countries need to look at and think carefully about their strategies because there is no way to live with this virus we have to really focus nomination. The countries that have done this have been able to protect societies and economies and are not having to deal with these new variants vice. That we don't really understand anna. Frankly quite concerning thank you very much indeed for talking to us. Thank you for having me. Thank you again to dr. Deep tieger to sonny and tom phillips if you want him more about what's happening in brazil. Tom recently spoke to our sister. Podcast today in focus about the surge of infections a- and white brazilians having to take matters into their own hands. We've put a link to that and tom's articles covering the crisis on the podcast webpage at the guardian dot com. That's it from us today. We'll be back on thursday. Stay safe and see that for more. Grit costs from the guardian. Just go to the guardian dot com slash costs.

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Water Cooler: Floor is Lava, Warning: Do Not Play, Undertaker: The Last Ride, The King of Staten Island, A Whisker Away, Adventures of Tintin, Brahms: The Boy II, Into the Unknown: Making Frozen 2

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Water Cooler: Floor is Lava, Warning: Do Not Play, Undertaker: The Last Ride, The King of Staten Island, A Whisker Away, Adventures of Tintin, Brahms: The Boy II, Into the Unknown: Making Frozen 2

"Hejduk to tell the good fight about the new podcast we've started. Absolutely. It's a film review. Show called. That reminds me off I'm so excited about this. Because every time we talk about film, we always get sidetracked. We do on all of the old titles that we've seen over the years, so we decided making podcast about those things we would like to invite all of you to come. Listen to our show, and no, it's garbage it for a limited time. Only you can be the first subscriber. We'd love your company said. Please check out that reminds me of. Hello, everyone and welcome the daily for Wednesday June. Twenty Fourth Twenty Twenty on today's episode. We're discuss what we've been up to. At the water cooler, the slash on editor in chief Peter Surata, during that despite gusts as slash. Home Managing Editor Jacob Paul Hello Hello. Weekend editor Brennaman Hey. That's me. Senior editor Ben Pearson what's going on. Writers why Turnby Hey everyone. In Chris Evangelists below. I'm laughing because the minute we sat down to record this podcast. I'm in my closet I record the these cats, my closet and There's someone drilling and hammering stuff like on the other side of you know. The apartment or Condo I living, so we're we're not the make, do so I apologize for some of the the noise. You're hearing my and I'll I'll try to mute when I'm not talking, but I I think it's unavoidable at this point Okay, let's dive into it. Let's talk about what we've been doing actually before that it's June twenty-fourth. Guys that means Muan is in theaters just one month from today. Do? We actually think that's happening. I think it was bratty. Say this moment ago. That pushed to August, sound very likely for this right. Yeah I think. I feel like. Disney's probably not gonNA want to be the first one of the gate since they push tenant back to the end of July, and with cases rising in a lot of highly populated areas still I feel like it's going to be bad news bears to open a movie like that so soon. I think there's any possibility that they just drop this on Vod and going to Disney plus a matter of weeks. I can't imagine it's so expensive like absurdly expensive as no way it'd be, it would make dizzy. Accountants cry and all that much. I mean maybe it could be a big loss leader to get I'm guessing anybody that I was interested in new on already on Disney, plus but okay, so let's dive into what we've been doing this past week I finally got a haircut. After three months, I went to a local super cuts and it was weird. Has Anybody here gotten a haircut since the? The quarantine began I. Haven't gone to get a haircut, but my girlfriend gave me a haircut. And why did it work out pretty well? Actually she did a really really good job, and it actually felt like I got a legit like haircut that I would have paid for so now from now on, actually I probably wouldn't even be for haircut Yow my wife did. Did because because she she has a place goes to birds barbershop in Austin and it's really great. Get my haircut and their. You know appointment only now have people out in that time of staggered mask, and all employees mafs, no customers and she. She said it was a really positive experience. A felt safe so yes, Peter, but how does. How does a? Patient being specialized trendy place. So how does it feel like an Anon- specialized trendy haircut place I made an appointment and showed up there and I was the only one in there. And when I walked in, they did my temperature check with one of those readers and I had to wear my mask wall. The haircut was happening in the the barber is the. What is the female Berber call? It's still a barber stylus. Stylish Dallas stylist also were mask and I think the technical term is a Barbarella Peter. I'd. Guys, It was it was like the quickest haircut I've ever gotten an I was just like you know just usually the US like the What do you call the scissors? Clippers? But I just let them use the. The trimmer thing though electric don't know the terminology for any of that. Clipper I think that's called the clipper. What is the scissors called? It's called the scissors. Cut so I think you're good. Yeah so. I was in and out of there pretty quickly, It didn't feel back to normal at all, but I'm I'm glad to have. been done away with with with the excess hair because for. I think I was supposed to get a haircut I. have it in my calendar to reoccur over I. Forget how many months telling me reminding me to get haircut now supposed to get a haircut like the week after we went into lockdown so. Ed Gotten really big and I'm glad to now have a haircut and I was afraid to do it at home because we don't have any like real good clippers I have some for my. To trimmed my beard, but I would not trust the on my. And Yeah, so yeah I did that this week? It turned out fine. Everything's fine and. I also went back to universal city. Walk to record video for order. Adventures I won't talk much about that. The check that out will I'll link in the show notes, but interestingly wallows. They're recording this video of city. Walk Mall that side of Universal Studios Hollywood and they were reopening and while I was there I ran into. Two friends Sabina and Jonathan who writes for a number of outlets in the end. Yeah, but anyways We had this conversation socially distanced on with masks. Ten feet apart like yelling things back, and forth in a to me that this is the first time I had a conversation with anybody I've known in person like you know not a stranger like a friend in like. A hundred days. The weirdest thing. Any of you guys actually had a conversation in person with a friend in the last three months no zoom surreal wonderful that had to make a human connection. What a concept! Recently a couple. Will get a few friends and I. We've been having outside like social distancing thing who are like we They have a back deck. That's big enough that we can sit on it and have enough space between us to actually. Hang out each other, so we over the past couple of weeks. We've done that a few times. I. Mean I I've been kind of like. is been a lonely time for the last three months. I've done the face timing the zooming. But I didn't know how much I kind of wanted to hang out with people in person until I. Ran Into. The do at city walking with having a conversation. I was like Oh. My God I. Miss This so much. so maybe I'm going to arrange something like what bread did with a like a deck party or if I guess a Park Party? Or something like that something I can do in La. Bread what have you been up to? so I recently got an Apple Watch from my girlfriend. I guess there was some there was a pretty decent. Say on them and she just. Thought. It was a good idea to happen I was totally surprised by. It's a cool thing, but man. It's making me feel old because I'm trying to figure out all the stuff that it does and like leaking with my phone and everything, and just trying to like really maximize its us because I don't necessarily want to be like you know something that is used to like look at my messages and check the time at different way because I feel like I'm not using its full potential them. So in the midst of kind of going through different like things online, looking at tips and tricks, and figuring out just the the way to get the most bang for my Buck I. You have an Apple Watch right Peter. Yeah I haven't Apple Watch I I mean I. I will say that I mostly. Do use it for notifications in. I'm not sure, said this on this podcast in the past, the greatest thing about an apple watch for me in stumps not like. A. Appetizing thing is that. It makes me use my phone west because before when I got notification on my phone, I would open up the notification, and then get sucked into instagram or twitter or facebook or something, and now I just looking at watching I can kind of like go on with my day I have to pull up my phone and get sucked into that. You know the phone space, but I'm not sure what APPS. How would recommend you use Brad? There isn't out by US called water reminder, which tracks a my water consumption throughout the day and it's it's very easy. You just click on. Quick comment you've had it kind of. Gives you a goal of completing a certain amount of drinking water throughout the day? Alka, but yeah, that's not too exciting right? Yeah, I mean I I definitely have surprisingly appreciated the convenience of having the message notifications staff on my watch. Because you know it's, it's a little. It seems like it's a little thing, but it really is just better to get to hear like. Go off and look at my wrist at not have to pick up my phone and deal with that, and then just go back to whatever I'm doing and so like the it's I never realized necessarily. How much more efficient I guess it would make you know my day. And stuff like that, and just you know getting notifications, but so far. I've really like that. I'm just interested to get dig into. Mourn figured out, and plus I I liked you can. Customize. What's on the the face of the watch? So I have mindset so that I can use photos for the background and so right now my what I have the wash looking like is the Dick Tracy's watch. But you can't do. You can't do like video. Chat over over your Apple Watch. Well, Dick Tracy couldn't video jetty there, but he could talk to people on the watch and I can do that so now I'm Dick Tracy. Oh. Are you using that What is that like? There's a two way APP or something like that. No, it's well so I. DON'T I. Don't know if this is not part of the previous editions, but on on your watch. If you get a call, you can answer the call on your phone Oh. Yeah, for sure yeah. Have you tried texting anybody back when you get a text message like there's like ways of responding. Have you tried any of that? So. Yeah, it's Yeah, I I just figured this out recently, actually because I hadn't used to respond to any messages just to read them, but you can. When you get a message in your reply to it, you can use your you handwrite the texts instead of like trying to text on a keyboard, which was pretty convenient. A bunch of quick replies. Just it suggests replies usually. I'm sorry about this guy is. There's people like drilling it's. Hopefully it's not too bad. But Okay. Let's move to what we've been watching your house haunted. I don't know this is like Peter early something like those old tapes you put in a Halloween has goes noises like a rattling chains and going. ooh really sounds like I'm I'm twelve years old, trick or treating right now? Well That's better than what it sounds like over here, so let's talk about what we've been watching this past week Netflix's came out with a new show called. The floor is lava. And this is a reality show where. where the floors lava, it's basically this this obstacle course. I think it's kind of like all A. Almost like? Joe Warrior meets. An escape from where people have to this room where the wall like the force, this red coloured water in its spewing and you know squirting and they need to jump from thing to thing it could be like couches. It could be like. The ARC from raiders of the lost Ark. It could be whatever each each from is themed to as a team. Get to the point on the other side of the Roman. There's there's objects in the room that can help you. Like do certain things, it's a little bit of a puzzle. It's not just like a endurance challenge and It's. You know there's different routes with varying degrees of difficulty and there's annoying voice over. I I know I I I, generally like this. It reminds me kind of like the old like legends of the hidden. Temple kind of shows the the annoying voiceover can be. A little bit much at times. I and I wish like at the beginning of each course, they kind of way out the course and they're like. Here's the past that they could take. Here's what this artifact would do, and here's how they can save time and I. I kind of wish that they just jumped into it in like let us see the people exploring and finding out these things themselves and I guess they're going for more of the thing of US knowing more than the characters on screen, so we could be like internally. Young be like. Get The staff in the wall or something like that, but I know I I'm kind of enjoying it. It's kind of disposable. It's not like. To exciting. Chris you also saw for Islamic right I did my wife and I watched the whole thing over the weekend and I, I enjoyed it. It's not. What you would call. Peak TV smart. It's very silly stupid show, but it's it's. It's exactly the type of thing that's like perfect to. Binge, when you don't really want to invest too much in something when you just want to a fun distraction and it's it's. It's very fun to watch. It's fun to watch these people. Jump around and try and solve these puzzles and. I, really like the way it's edited because they ended in such a way that when the people fall in the lava, never see them. Come back out, so it's like Oh that person clearly die and. It's like they're trying to make. You think that person is literally dead and I. I appreciate it that it also looks really painful at times. There are people who lands like really hard on their face and. I imagine it hurt a lot more than they let on. Trying to save face and trying to get through the obstacle course, but there there are one or two, maybe more than that falls that look particularly painful, but overall I really dug it and I hope there's more because it's just. It's a fun distraction. Yeah. I I like it I wish they can increase the puzzle solving a little bit and I think this is all about watching people falling on their faces and Butts in league with these ridiculous pieces but it is fun. I guess I'd recommend it if you're looking for. You know something to casually watch. chicken, Chris. You have both been watching some of the same stuff so Jacob Bunga throw it over to you. What have you been watching this week I? Watch when the new shudder originals. A south Trine Har- film called a warning. Do not play, is. Directed by Kim Jin Woon and it is. Sort of like A. Piece to the ring in that it's about a haunted films, but it's about a a young filmmaker who searching for inspiration for for project who comes across a story of film festival in a screening. A. If Miss Film that costs the audience panic caused heart attacks, and the film was supposedly made by a ghost which he's told, so she goes on a quest to find it, and she finds it and bad stuff starts happening, and it is often nonsensical in the same way of the Asian horror is where let's the mystery be a little bit too opaque for its own purposes, never really gives a given us satisfying answers and not like a ways mysterious. Confusing but I will say I thought warning outplayed awesome, you very creepy and often really exciting and. Interesting things in the back have specially where it starts rotating between footage of the film because she finds and the events that she's encountering herself, so it's not like central, Asian horror, but is off my mind, pretty good. Asian heart and if you have shudder, it's like eighty five minutes long Chris. What do you think about this one? I like that there's there's nothing like new here. It's not treading new ground, but. It delivers exactly what I wanted I'm I'm a sucker for cursed object films like this book is cursed. This movie is curse and I. Just I love stuff like that. And this gave me exactly what I wanted again if you've seen. The ring or films like the ring. You've pretty much seen what this movie is, but the that doesn't mean it's not enjoyable. I enjoyed it for the most part. Begin Harvey both watched You should have left. The new blood house will be from director. David Kemp won the strangest careers Hollywood. He wrote drowsy. Park, spider-man mission impossible, but directed Mordecai and stir of echoes and premium. Rush just very strange career. He's at and this is Kevin Bacon. Where making plays a Rich Guy Young Waikele. Bananas freed the go-to advocation home in the UK and bad stuff starts happening in that house I think the trailers way too much I will say it leans very heavily on house of leaves without being smart, his house of leaves, but main problem here is I stint. Can make good. There's some good story choices here. Do some good ideas. Ripping off a really great book. Ripping off in a way. That really leans now. What made that book? You know unsettling I, wish you should have left was in any way frightening instead it's totally passable and totally fine, and Harmabee can show somebody who is easily scared and you know fine Chris Review this for the site, but I think you're think he may even little kinder than me and Eurabia. I ultimately I did not like this. I gave it a negative review. I liked Kevin Bacon performance. I liked a lot of the the production design I thought it. It's one of those movies where it tries to present all of its horror in in broad daylight, which I really appreciate when films do that, it's it's not the norm, but that's it. None of the horror is. Particularly horrifying and I was just disappointing by this like it's not a terrible movie. It's just kind of Blah. I I'm a really big fan of up. Starve echoes I was hoping this reunion would be like a kindle APP, but it's really not at all and. It was just a big disappointment. Especially for the dollar price tags. This is a premium beauty title. You know theatrical release out. Push here and you know like I. I'm happy to pay twenty dollars for a new release if it if it's good About like the same way, you could argue that we'd like to that. Island trolls, the world tour are worth those price tags, if you the family or the audience for that but each should left, and we were twenty dollars I don't regret spending that money has had a good time watching it, but heads up Mr like a serious heart completion us Wait to us when it's cheaper streaming for free. Yeah this past week I watched lovebirds. They'll lovebirds. NETFLIX's they. NETFLIX's original. This is from director Michael Showalter who did the big sick which I think most of us on this podcast loved I. I really loved that film and This also stars Camille and I was. I WANNA. Say I was excited to see this because I had heard not so great things. This is about a couple who? I guess the big pitch here is it's about a couple who are alike on the verge of breaking up like they they are not doing well, and they could become embroiled embroidered, broiled embroiled in a murder mystery of sorts and they they spend the movie going from one ridiculous thing to another different circumstances. Each more ridiculous than the last trying to get out of this mess and in down and obviously they they probably find a way to like each other. And find common ground throughout the film I it's it's okay it's fine, it's. Not Very Good I. It's not something I would. Recommend anybody WHO's not bad, but it's it's definitely not good. There's only a couple I. Guess moments where I laughed in the movie. I just I find it hard to recommend this and it's. It's a shame because I like all the people involved in this end I wish I could recommend but so I'd say don't watch lovebirds on Netflix. And the other thing I watched this week. In addition to stay I'm still binge-watching suits on USA network, or on Amazon prime. It's it was originally aired on USA network and I'm on season four, and it's really getting good at I I am really enjoying sits I I highly recommend suits, but the other thing I watched was undertaker the last ride. This is a documentary series that is on wwe network which I did not have, but I had heard A. Jeff cannot on the slash on cast. Recommend this, so I actually signed up. You can actually sign up for a free account of WWe network in watched. The first episode otherwise is nine ninety nine a month which I ended up paying to upgrade just to to watch this five episode series. Now Okay let me pitch this. You guys because I know none of you guys are Inter peress laying? Jacob has some somewhat of an interest, but nobody here's interesting I. Have Not watched I used to be really into pro wrestling, but I have not watched for wrestling on a regular basis and probably two decades, so it's not like I into pro wrestling, but I did I I was a fan at one time I was more. More than a fan I Iran wrestling website called Russell Nets back in the day but the this documentary series is much like a thirty for thirty series. I honestly feel like it's. It's probably a lot like that. Michael Jordan documentary that all you guys talked about recently, which I still have not seen in this chronicles the last three years of the professor. The undertaker and the undertaker has been around in wrestling since. I think nineteen ninety. He is one of the biggest legends still working in this business in this documentary in he. He's one of these guys I know. Everybody here probably has. You even if you have not watched wrestling, you probably know who the undertaker is, he comes. He's a character. He comes out to You some dark music, the lights out. He has the the hat in the trench coat never like he's a character, and he's one of these old guards of wrestling. Where back in the day in wrestling. When you had a character in you had a gimmick. That is how you operated in and out of the ring and what I mean by that is. I mean if you were fighting. If you had a feud with someone, you would never be seen like on the road at a diner eating with that person you would, you'd never do an interview at a character. nowadays for a sling is kind of treated as entertainment in the people that are in pro wrestling You know, have their onstage persona, but also offstage they. You! Know have their off stage persona which is themselves and there's been. It's it's kind of treated much in the same way of actors, but with the undertaker it's interesting because he's been around for what thirty years now and he is never as far as I know I don't think he's ever given an interview out of character. Since he started this undertaker persona and he. He's carried this with them his entire life. This is the first time he's ever let people in and see. His personal life, and what the documentary series is about, and I think this would is what would interest you guys. Is. It's about him coming to grips with his body is. Is Incapable of handling. What in a regular wrestling routine in a he he's. Thinking about possibly hang up You know possibly retiring. But. He can't wet himself. Do it, so it's. It's dealing a lot with His legacy. It's dealing with Like when? When is the perfect? What is the perfect closure? What is the perfect ending when you walk away way? When does I it's it's really interesting, and it's really sad because it's it. Seems like he is unable to walk away. It becomes episodic at at one point with him kind of having this constant cycle of looking for the perfect closure in the perfect ending for him to step out, and we leave it at that but. This also unprecedented, because wwe doesn't usually allow you to see kind of this kind of access and the stuff that's happening in and out of the ring. It like one of the things I love about per wrestling. Is that you kind of have these layers? You have the story you the truth behind the moments. You're the real life that's going on behind. You know backstage. That's influencing everything it's out it really fascinating to see those layers to understand while watching this like wh, what is actually going on behind these moments and the disappointment of some out I I? It's hard to really give a full picture of this, but it is. It is really fascinating and I. I highly recommend this to anybody. Even if you don't like wrestling, there's even if you don't like Schwartz I'm not even a sportsperson and seeing this is really about one guy's. Trying to come to grips with you know failure, legacy redemption, and you know closure and it's it's very cinematic. If fuels. Unlike you know it doesn't feel. Much like you know like the thirty for thirty things where it's just really well produced really well edited and Yeah I think there's five episodes it's on WB, network I also learned that undertaker lives in Austin Texas not not too far from from early Jacob Jacob. Did you know that he lived in Texas or an Osman? No, but no. The rest of the sting lives in Waxahachie Texas, which is like ultra religious backwoods community near Dallas. Yeah. Undertaker his relatives Marquette Alway is he does seem kind of like Texas You know like I. Go I go hunting, and he wears shirts that say stuff but God. Out He is a Texas Guy but there's a lot more to him than. I think that stereotypical portrayal that you can imagine but Jacob I think you'd really enjoy. The series I I highly recommend you. Check out if you can at least watch the first episode like all you need to do is sign up for wwe network account, which is free and you can watch that I upset. I think have to check this out because as I said before. This podcast I I have friends who are deep in the wrestling. They're smart people and they have like analytical thoughts about the about it, and the whether read into end an our own cato tributary contributor Honda, Laka. has written at length about wrestling is an art form, and I can never get into it I I. Tried a few times over the years. I can't, but there is no industry like this. No business like this. The stories come are so specific and strange. That I haven't had a fascination in the story so off the check us out. Yeah, the the other one last thing I wanted to say about this as I. It's weird because it's all leads up to. Wrestlemainia this year, which happened after the coronavirus pandemic kind of closed down everything, and like basically leads up to the the match where. Does here dozen he is this going to be his last match in wrestling and it's it's so. I'm not sure if it's funny or sad if it's anti-climactic or perfect because. This match because of how things. Were? You know Wrestlemainia got shut down. There was no crowds there the film in empty arena and they they were able to kind of. Turn his match into this match in the graveyard, so I'm not sure if like, that's the perfect. Ending for the undertaker was interesting because they were able to because of that, they were able to shoot the match like it was. A movie with cuts and you know like you know wrestling is. Ninety nine point, nine, nine, nine, nine nine percent of the time, takes place in the middle of a ring in his shot in real time, but here they were actually able to film like a movie. No cinematic and it was I guess kind of like a movie like ending, so May- maybe an antiquated. Maybe it's perfect for persona. That's been like so. Much like a character from a horror movie, I guess but yeah. I know, check it out. That is undertaking. The last dried on w network. Jacob, if been watching I watched Brahms the boy to the sequel to the boy. and I liked the first boy, just fine, totally adequate one of those and full disclosure I was sent up your copy of this and they massive gift package with a Joffe blanket, says the boy to on it. A giant notebook does the boy to audit of. Of Popcorn and candy and like very fancy looking like photo cards of huge with scenes from the film, so so full disclosure I was sent to this movie along with a whole bunch of things, and I don a blanket, the boy to on it or there is the Brahms, the boys who come into DVD and BLU ray soon on A. Big, letters. It's very comfortable Lincoln. So maybe I in fact in my opinion, was torn apart by critics, including our own earlier this year. I thought it was fine. It is deeply strange, a deeply strange inversion of the first film, which was a which I won't spoil here but you may remember. That was the one about a woman who asked to Babysit a doll, but in. Decrepit old English manor more than meets the eye in the sequel, and it really offends the Brahms mythology. I'll say. Brahms the doll is back. and. There's more to the story than you thought there was and. It is, it is certainly a choice. Chris a you review this for us right. I did it's bad. It's kind. I like you. I thought the first film was fine, and this one pretty much takes that me the first home interesting and just like throws it in the toilet and is like all right. Here's this other stuff and boy. Did I not care for? Christmas seems like it was particularly heartbreaking for you, too. Because you seem to really like, hit your wagon to the Brahms Star you like all? You were like you made bronze, the boy to part of your brand for no well, let's. Just drawn towards garbage. I just can't help it. I will mildly go to bat for bombs. Boy to I think it's fine. I think is I. Think there's an adequate horror, sequel or landscape or hearth goals are often the same thing over and over again at least Brahms boy to is going for it, and even if going forward in a way, that does not work for you at all as it did for Chris, I. I, I'M NOT GONNA. Go out here and say by the BLU ray, but I will say. Streaming for free, and you put it on, even appeals to you. It's also like seventy nine minutes long with the longest and credits. Try to beef it up to a feature-length film so it does not require much of your time as Brahms the boy to. Also rented becky from Amazon. This is. Rented it for four, nine, nine, five, nine nine. This is the movie that it's one. We're Kevin James Comedy Star. Kevin James in Queens. himself. plays a murderous neo Nazi criminal who escaped from prison along with his gang, and are terrorizing a family led by Joel. McHale for reasons I'll leave unspecified here and it's up to Becky. Character played by Lulu Wilson to save everybody else and kill hoc- bastards dead Weird movie because. It! Really tries to dwell on the consequences of violence, pain and trauma and tries to tries to be a green room where it's like uses you know ordinary folks versus. Is a story of. Of Cycles of trauma and cycles of damage in how we do not poor sells out of tail spins when we make bad choices. unlike green room, which manages to balance being a really intense thriller with those messages Becky is a way to like in love with his own violence to let them message stand is very much to movies, both of which. Kind of work it. Is this drama about what I just mentioned? And there's also home alone. riff or a young girl armed with home. Homemade weapons dispatches these guys in the most violent ways possible and uncle I. I'm all for movies where white supremacists get massacred because fuck, those guys, and Louise Gore is really effective. It's well shot is extremely entertaining, but then when these two tones collide, they do frequently. It's contradictory in A. A way where Mike Okay you asked me to enjoy this violence in I am which also asking me to accept the violence as bad and I should feel bad about murder, which I do feel bad, not good in real life. So why are you asking me to feel bad about enjoying this movie that you asked me to enjoy in the previous scene? they lost your. Becky cannot remember if he wants to talk about it yet. All, right I think that's a know. Movies too bizarre in that way to be a total. Write off. To well-made Directors Jonathan Malo in Carrie. Brennan, give style. It has a really great score surprisingly and. The acting is good I, mean Joe McHale in Kevin, Jane this to comedy actors doing really solid work. You don't stand out like James. I'm not. GonNa say Oscar winner Kevin James, but I'm going to say does not stand out in a bad way at all and blends into the tone of the film quite well Kevin James. Suspect ranch right now. If I said sounds interesting, you should definitely check it out I. Wish had more tonal balance but it is. It's interesting thing and I. I'm glad I watched it. things I'm glad things. I'm not I watched. The ascent, a demonic possession horror film from Director Perry original Te'o. It tries sort of like a brand new taking the extra with a big old twist that. You see coming twenty minutes into the movie. I was not impressed streaming for free on Amazon. Probably skip the ascent. Even if you're like me, you are a sucker for the. Now it's. It's pretty boring essay, even though feature, some pretty gnarly practical monsters I, when when you have a practical monsters, I can't give them. We recommendation and that there's a problem here. And finally I've been binge watched along my wife season one of the shadows in two sittings Ammo I'm on record records a big Fan of the movie, and I was hesitant because I felt like you know movies such a special gym. That didn't know if show can really capture. And for the most part does this show is really funny? Develops its own voice if you episodes in where clearly the same world as a movie But find his footing does not does not feel content to. Retract all the same steps. It is doing its own thing and. It's it's just really funny. It's it's such a funny show. Knows about Vampires living in an apartment Staten Island, their roommates living in old house Staten Island with their roommates and they are. Trying to out their vampire ways in a twenty first century world where they have never quite adjusted to. and which most of finally is the Sopranos, which the Weird Comparison but Sopranos is about you know. Mobsters who are looking back. On the glory days? like of their fathers win. There was so much more that they do. And and their jobs seemed so much more shiny, and like people had more respect in power now they're in a modern age where they're out of place and. They don't have the ones hand won't do. The shadows is in many ways also at the same directory. What was vampires? Who All they have their glory days because in the year twenty, twenty, two, thousand, nineteen for season one. They just don't have. The same allure they want US hand, talking to adjust to a that has moved past him but does it well being very very funny We'll do the shadows see I. Two seasons streaming on Hulu right now. I plan against season two very soon. It is very very good. Okay Chris. What have you been watching? I watched. I watched a bunch of stuff actually for for once. They usually don't have this many things but I. Try to be brief, but I watched I'll be going in the dark. Which is the new? It's not out yet. I think it's comes out this weekend the upcoming. Documentary based on the book of the same name on the book was written by Michelle McNamara. Who Was Patton Oswalt? Wife and she died suddenly of an accidental drug overdose while she was writing the book and it was finished by them to other researchers It's about the the golden state killer who was the serial killer and rapist who was very active in California in the in the late seventies early eighties and not too long after the book came out, they actually finally arrested him, and it turned out he was. An ex police officer, and he just recently agreed to plead guilty in order to avoid the death penalty anyway, this is very good and. I wrote the review of it. Their views on slash on dot, com, and what I really liked about this. Is that it? It doesn't. Adhere to true crime docu series trends. You know I I watch a lot of TRUECAR DOCU series. I like them, but more often than not they. They're really primarily focused on. The killer and his crimes and His the killer cycle ecologically all that stuff that gets into the killer psyche basically, and this is the complete opposite where it's more about. The victims and the people who survived and it's also really about. Michelle Magma to. It's more like a story about her in her life and how she started writing the book and it made me oddly emotional, which is something i? Don't usually get watching true cry because it really hammers home. How just tragic it is that? You know. She was reading this really good book, and she just died while writing it, and she left her husband behind after her daughter behind and the way they approach her life, and her death is really surprisingly powerful, so if you're like hesitant to watch true crime. If you're squeamish about it, I would say this. This is like true crime for people who don't love true crime just because it's a lot more on its mind than just the the crimes in question. What else I watched a League of their own, because that recently got a four K. Blu, ray and man I forgot how great this movie is! I I honestly would go as far as I think. This is kind of like. A perfect movie I can't think of anything I have qualms with this movie. It's just so funny, and the cast is is so great across the board, not just Gena Davis and Tom Hanks, but even like Madonna is is really good in this movie and it's it's it's great. It made me long for. Movies like this which I don't think they really make any more, I can't imagine a movie like this. Being made today because it would have to be something that launches like a franchise or something like that, and so they're just like the standalone movie about female ballplayers during World War Two so I you know I'm not breaking new ground here by saying League of the road is good, but if you haven't watched in a while. Revisited because it's. It's so much better than I even remembered it being. and then finally. For the upcoming episode of twenty-first-century Spielberg I re watched Indiana Jones and the King of Chris Skull and the adventures of Tinton I've said in the past that I think crystal skull is better than a lot of people. Give credit for the, however, even though I still believe that during this Rewatch, I noticed a lot more problems with it then I remember so I still think it's not quite the abomination that some people act like it is, but it has a lot of problems, and really those problems are more on script level, and that's just because it had. You know so many different scripts and. It ended up plucking a bunch of stuff from Frank Darabont unused script, then blended it with stuff that they would cut up road and it just doesn't work like it should. On the other side of the coin, Tinton is Great Man I. I've I've seen it before, but we're watching it now, and maybe because I washed it. Peck Tobacco Crystal Skull. It may be realized. How much fun movie is that's that's a better. Indiana Jones movie than Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the animation is Great. You A lot of times when I think of that. Motion Capture Animation. I think of. The Summit Robertson is dead. You know like Beowulf and the polar express at that's looks awful. especially polar expressed which I think is one of the ugliest movies ever made, but the animation here works. It works really well, and that's because it's not trying to be realistic it does this interesting blend where the characters move and behave like real people like they? They have physical weight, but all their faces are caricatures drawing on the style of Tintin comics and that movie because it's animated, it's sort of let Spielberg go wild and as a result, it's like one big action setpiece after another and you know. Would it be more exciting if it were live action? Maybe but it just looks so much fun and I. I really really loved rewatching Tinton and that's on Amazon. Prime Right now Chris is on Netflix. If if you WANNA reward, because you're a fan of my podcast, and you want to get caught up before I record the new episode. I'm with you. Chris Chris goal as bad as people say it is. It's not good. I'm Kinda bummed. That Spielberg is not going to be making this this next Indiana Jones. Because I felt like that was going to be his redemption or is GonNa be set up as a redemption sorts. But. I'm right there with you. I kinda wanted him to go out on any Jones on a high note and. That's just not going to happen now. I like James Mangold, but I still just have such weird. It just seems weird to have an Indiana jazz without Steven Spielberg, directing it but. That's the way it goes I guess. Especially at the Ford Ben, what have you been watching? The only thing of note that I've been watching is a documentary. That's on Hulu right now. It's called the painter and the thief, and it was directed by what is his name? Benjamin Re, who as filmmaker I've never heard of before. This movie played at Sundance this year, and it actually won the world cinema. Documentary special jury award for creative storytelling, so I. It's tough to even really talk about this movie without spoiling it because I didn't really know anything about it before I watched it except for just the very most. Plot summary, which is what I'll try to keep it to here I will say recommend watching the movie I found it to be super fascinating and just one of those types of movies. I couldn't watch passably I had found myself. Scanning the frame constantly just looking at characters faces to. Try to interpret their facial responses to stimuli and things like that and comments back and forth, and tried to read into the relationships that are being formed on screen here so that the basic pitch of this is This it's about this. This painter who her two paintings that she did in an art gallery were stolen, and she ends up confronting the thief, one of the one of the two people who who stole her artwork and asks him. At the end of their conversation, Hey, do you mind if I? If we meet again, so I can paint your portrait. I'm just sort of interested in doing this, and he says yes, and so they. The movie basically followed these two people as they have this weird relationship where they sort of dance around each other. It's almost like they're circling each other. warily and they're always sort of reading each other trying to get a read on the other one and figure out know. Is this person real? What's going on here? Is this you know are these? Conversations that we're having, are they? You know inservice of. Some some larger thing, or is this just a genuine friendship? That's building between these people. So it's. It's a really really fascinating movie and I don't want to really get into. What exactly happens because that's sort of like. The the joy of the movie is just. Discovering how it all plays out, but I just found it really really compelling. It's a movie that explores ideas about you know, forgiveness and addiction, destructive tendencies and. The movie is called the painter in the thief, and that sort of sets up this dichotomy of like the painter is good, and the thief is bad, but it's a little bit more complicated than that in the film doesn't let the artists fully off the hook for some of her shortcomings as well even though the thief obviously has some problems of his own will be gets into that as well so. Yeah it's called the painter in the defense on Hulu right now I would recommend it. It's it's I. It's a tough movie to talk about without spoiling it, but I think it's the type of movie that once you watch it. You're going to immediately pull up Google and just try to find out as much as you can. About what the Hell you just saw! Okay. What have you watching not a lot, but I did take the time. Excuse me to watch crawl. which is available on Amazon Prime I think it's also available on Hulu if I remember correctly. but this is a movie that is set in the middle of a hurricane. Kiosk Code Ario plays a college swimmer who? Goes to check on her dad. A right before hurricane is about to hit their area and he's not answering. His phone and can get hold of him, and so he finds him. UH, she finds him in this condo that he was fixing up. And he's injured in basically like the in the within the foundation of the House and come to find out there are many alligators in the area while one of them has attacked him, and as the area begins flooding, the alligators become a more aggressive, and they're basically trapped in this house, trying to get out and evade them and. This is such a fun movie I had a blast watching. This is just a great suspenseful Fund Fund Monster Movie! I do wish the. Looked a little bit better. As far as the visual effects are concerned because there's times were. They, look kind of fake. I don't know if it's just because of the the lighting in the way they rendered, but. Otherwise, it's just it's suspenseful. Intense the whole way through. The surprising amount of mileage of being in the same areas, and just trying to evade the alligators and Yeah, the way it unfolds is really great. It's a quick watch watched only round hour, and a half long, and so yeah I. I had a lot of fun with this movie. What what else have you been watching? And then I also watched the first three episodes of Disney pluses new documentary series into the unknown, making frozen to. Disney plus made the first three episodes available offer to review before the series comes out on June twenty six. Unlike Man delorean! All six of the episodes will be released at once so that you can binge it on Friday rather than releasing it week to week, and also unlike the man delorean the series doesn't actually focus on a different aspect of production throughout each episode instead. It unfolds like longer narrative because the documentary begins when directors Jennifer Lee in Chris Buck have eleven months until the movie premieres, and it follows their path of production towards getting the movie finished, and this is one of the most in-depth looks at the making of an animated movie that I've ever seen. Most time you know, feature s that come out promoting the movie show quick behind the scenes footage showed the actors talking about their characters recording lines laughing, having good time, this really digs into the nitty gritty of what it's like to work on a large scale animated movie like this. It talks to you the animators and shows them actually working at their stations in seeing they use different methods of getting the animation of characters, just right showing little subtle changes, their estimate in meetings where the consomme checking in with the director's if follows the path of this one sequence in the movie that they're having a lot of trouble with figuring out how to make it work in front of the story, and actually make sense unlatch viewers to latch on. On emotionally, it's the show yourself a song sequence with Elsa and you get to see them. I, having meetings and discussing what's working. What isn't they talk about having screenings every three months with a lot of the Disney filmmakers where they offer just raw honest notes about what in the movie isn't working for them and what they don't understand what's what's confusing and just seeing them you know work on this movie and work through all these problems and figure it out is. So fascinating it's for some people I will I will say. Maybe it will be interesting because a lot of it is you know meetings in offices in them talking about how to figure stuff out, but for for me as somebody who likes to hear those kinds of things here them work through the creative process I love that kind of thing and you get to see. Kristen Anderson Lopez and Robert Lopez. Lopez talk about how they write songs and how you know there's some evolve, and how difficult it can be to have the story side of the movie mixed with the songs, because even though the songs are meant to be part of the story, they still have to figure out how to make those songs Mesh into the narrative, and actually flesh it out and make sure that it connects with the audience. And others it extends on the stuff that you see in feature, too, so you get to see a lot more of them working with the cast and others. Like, surprisingly emotional parts to kristen bell talks about how one of the songs that honest things resonated with her like at a time when she was feeling particularly. Depressed and it helped her work through a lot of issues that she was going on. So it's just it's this fantastic I was really surprised that I. I like so much because I was expecting it to be a little bit more fluffy. I guess there is still some of that there, but it's just such an depth documentary series that I really enjoyed it. I was in a huge fan of frozen, too, but I'm interested in seeing this because I'm just fascinated with the animation development in the production process. It's kind of a shame that they weren't able to be there from the beginning of like them, developing an idea that would be. Cool the. Rink actually think it works better this way because the way they talk about I think it's even in the first episode. Is that at this point in production? It's when the movie really starts to get challenging because all these balls that they've had in the air start to fall, and they really have to get stuff like together and figured out where I think. The earlier part of production is a lot more. Just like brainstorming and figuring things out and like stuff that will probably be less interesting than seeing it in its current iteration. When does this Disney pulse Friday June twenty six? Okay cool. H What have you been watching. I've been watching the king of Staten Island, and I'm sorry to say Chris, but SMOOTHIE is good. Actually I really enjoyed. The King of Staten Island I am found. It's I understand the critiques of for it to be over long and meandering, but I think that that's sort of aimless style fits the aimlessness of Pete, Davidson character at the center and I also found Pete Davidson to be I. Think the most endearing to me of the Judd appetite man children he. Also has a do to with my inexplicable. just. Enjoyment of Davidson as a performer, and as a person, I, I really I'm really charmed by his Kantor. Mental illness and his own sort of you know struggles with his father dying during nine eleven, attacks and I really liked how that persona was. Represented in the King of Staten Island and I I really just like liked hanging out with with these characters for the two hours and seventeen minutes as this film was and I. Just I felt like it was one of the more really affecting and genuine avatar films that I've seen and In, terms of like that man child arrest development type of one littler. We've seen before. It's appetite for like Kim Staten. Island evolves it in a way and grows with it in terms of just like a it, it is very much about that millennial experience, but I feel like it speaks more about just you know the stone or culture, and it talks more about how it's difficult to Sort of Karma path for oneself. When you know that there's something wrong with you, but you still don't know how to get yourself out of that Rut, Mackillop Davidson. Forms that really well in this film, I i. just I really enjoyed him. In this film I really enjoyed the meandering aimlessness of it and I liked the performances so much love Mercer Today I love Bill Burr and I just wanted to spend time with these characters on really enjoyed. These characters presence and Yeah, I. I. Really. I think that this is i. really enjoy this dome a lot more than than like The review but I just want to say that King of Scotland. Island is good and You. Check it out even if it is twenty bucks to rent on on Vod. So what you're saying is Chris's wrong. Okay! What else have you watching What else I've been watching? I haven't watched. I watched Eurovision song contests. The story of Fire Saga which I did not enjoy despite a few people really liking this film I just found it to be a really. just tired retread of a satires that we've seen before. It felt there are a lot of shades of car. The Dewey Cox Story in this movie but I didn't feel like the the satire wasn't a sharp as that film. And the the the song contest at the movie is trying to spoof your vision, which is a really popular annual song contest held in Europe every year, and is well known for being ludicrous and bombastic high camp. Feel This movie comes from a very simplistic American. Perspective being of being like. Oh, how how crazy is this performance in not really adding any any commentary or anything interesting to that other than just to display how bizarre this whole contest is and I just felt like it was maybe I. I'm just tired of dumb comedy nowadays, and maybe I'm a John I just didn't think that was really that enjoyable. There were parts that were relief funny, and that made me chuckle I really enjoyed Rachel McAdams who gets shot for her? Call me chops again after game night and dance evens gives a really can't be performance that and Hammy from performance I really liked will farrell cycles through his typical. you know broad dumb characters that he's unplugging of times before, but I just kind of disappointed I will say though that the songs in this movie. Her really great like this is on the higher upper echelons of cheerful songs that are cashier often. Refrigerant better than actual pop songs and they're. They're very funny to. Here's one song called. ding-dong that comes up several times, and his basically just one big joke, but is very funny, even the more they do it and So yeah. I just thought I can't say that I really. I liked this movie a lot. I I'm curious to see what other would brad thanks about this movie when it comes out on Netflix this Friday, but I just I was. Really impressed by it, and I do think that. The I think the formulas refined, but I just I if it felt very atonal, in terms of like whether it was trying to be a spoof, whether it was trying to be more sincere in loving tribute to Eurovision and I just kind of couldn't really get my head around which one it was actually trying to be so eurovision song contests, not my favorite. and I also watched VOL- There which is a Pedro Amal Davar Two thousand six movie I love every Pedro Malls movie that I've seen a pin. Glory was movies last year and I've seen a couple of his other movies, all mothers when my favorites and I even like talked to her, despite some more troubling aspects and I had recently learned that Velva was streaming on Hulu, and who had heard so many good things about it and watch wash it for the first time. And as I was watching it. I, actually got major. deja Vu and realize I had seen it before. And I. It's I think it came out to them six I realized I was this was before new. Who piddled federal? All of our really was, but I remember. Enough of the plot beats where I was like. Oh, I seen this movie and actually did like it the first time around, but watching it again released a little fired like how much how great an how humanise Director Pedro Maldives is, and how much I love his work, and how much I love how he loves people especially women in this movie. Will there a stars Appel cruise as a single mother who? Works and lives with Madrid with her husband and her teenage daughter, and her mother and father had died in a freak storm, and it and her aunt sort of on the outs, and she's starting to worry whether her aunt will live or not, and there is this sort of strange win. That has come through. The town and she says. That the people are suspecting enchanting people and making them turn crazy so this like the threat of magical realism through this film and One time she one day she comes home and she finds her husband has been. Murdered by her daughter after he had attempted to rape her daughter, and she ends up having to hide the body and Sort of things kind of unfold from there, and despite it being a film that involves a murder and a grief and and themes of trauma, it is actually a really buoyant and sweet film to Watch and I show. It's such a rich foam that just like filter I think talked about a Muslim four, how he felt fills every frame with emotion, and will bear feels even more so just because of how bright and candy colored, it is and Penelope, Cruz so so good in this film and I realized after finished it that there are only about three male characters in this film, and they only have anything total ten lines throughout the really is just about these women and living with these women in their lives, and the difficulties with within their own relationships and having to navigate those, and it's just. It's really really brilliant and beautiful and I recommend if you haven't seen a pedram out of our movie, full bear is perfect place to start because it just captures all his Sentiments and A in and his sort of. His. Style and that streaming now on Hulu. That's there. I also watched a movie in enemy. Movie called a whisker away. This is directed by Mari. Okada it's a netflix original anime film and It's actually a film. The original Japanese settles actually wanting to cry I. Pretend to be a cat which which more accurately sums up these quirky wacky -ness of this film. It follows a young middle school girl who is known as the sort of class. eccentric and she is very bright and bubbly in weird, but she uses that as a mask to sort of get run away from her feelings about her parents. Separation and her dad's new girlfriend living with them, and she also uses that her affection for this boy in her class as a mask as well. She just points all of her. Towards Him and choice us that twos or push down all of her other issues, and in despite that he doesn't acknowledge her, and amidst all that she stumbles upon a giant cats during a summer festival, who is selling masks that can turn humans into cats, and so she buys one and is able to turn into a cat that The boy that she has a crush on instantly has A. Has An affection for she starts to learn more about him during this cat form and tries to get closer to him a as a human through that sort of double life. But there is our stakes at their their steaks to this in that like the more that time she spends the cats, the more the cats, the masks seller start to drain her life, and she will essentially turned into a cat permanently if she doesn't want to keep her human life enough, so it's a it's actually. There are a lot because of the serve elements of this other worldly Plots and the. Things of the sort of element of the spirit world and everything that it has some similarities to spirited away which I think is where the title the English title comes from a whisker ways very similar to spirit away, which actually the Japanese title for Spirit. Ways not that it actually is called sentence to hero, which is the which is basically describing how she changes her name, or from chair, descent, but This habit alert his spirit away. It actually is more in line with other jubilee works like whisper of the heart and the cat returns, which is the I is a more of like a sweet coming of age film that really has no supernatural elements in the second is the. Successor to that film and takes us into the fantasy world that the character of the first dreams up and it feels this. Don't feel very much like a very influenced by those films and Sweet, it's funny. It's silly a little bit bonkers. I recommended. If you like Julie Films that are a little bit more, a magical and weird and Funky Then you like a sweet coming of age romance to a whisker away at streaming on Netflix. Sounds crazy. It is crazy, but it's really sweet, and it's really beautifully animated to I. It is say I'm looking at the images of it now, and it looks beautiful. It's gorgeous. Yeah, I I highly recommend I think Peter. You would like it I. Think Ben you'd like it. Brad. You don't like anything. Give Lisa, whatever. To be fair I haven't really seen more than a couple of Julie Movies and it's just my version to the style of animated. However I haven't considering giving a giving. Give another chance or jubilee our set because now all the movies are on Hbo Mac so maybe I'll give them a shot and. If you want to give him a shot. You should check out my handy dandy streaming. JIMMY GUIDE ON SLASH DOT COM, in which I give a nice rundown of every kind of film that would be a good intro. FLASH GATEWAY TO JUBILEE THAT'S. Informative. H. You Know Brad. You're co workers would film if you had to recommend him? One of the jubilee films like to be like this is the film that you're GonNa Lake. Which one would it be? I. There are some good comedy that I think you would like, but they're also a little bit on the more bizarre side so. Like on POCO is one. That's really funny, but it also contains a raccoons that turn can shape shift their balls. I wanted to watch this. Yeah. I think you would enjoy it. Actually I think you would enjoy that one the most, but you know I. Think a good beginner. One is for example castle in the Sky Brad said he saw, and does not okay didn't like it, and so I think he's a little crazy, but. Apply, Palm Poco for Brad Kiki's delivery service. I think he would enjoy so those I think. Try those out Brad. Okay now. Okay, see! What else have you been watching anime? This one actually came about to me through a recommendation from friend and I hadn't heard that had come out but There's a bit of an explanation this so I'm going to give a little bit of background. I'm watching a series called SORDO which was released in two thousand nineteen is on Amazon prime. It's actually a twenty nineteen remake of. A Manga by. Tessa. So! The Manga came out in nineteen sixties and Osamu. Tezuka is known as the godfather of Manga in anime. He's the creator behind groundbreaking anime such as astro boy, the basically the basis, the foundation of Anime, as we know it and so Doro is a Ronin series at set in feudal Japan and follows a young Ronin and a young Urgen during adventures field, Japan as they defeat demons so knowing what I'd known Osama Tezuka and kind of his more family, friendly style, which is actually more in line with early Disney. If you look at some of his early Manga, it's very sweet and. Sort of a roundish end not nothing, too. Nothing, too. It's all very like appealing like to a whole family. Demographic and flag was going into the anime kind of expecting something a little bit more like a appealing and I was quite surprised by how violent. This was an how grotesque it gets so Donohoe Follows a A young. The RONIN in question Yucky Morrow is a born. Without skin without limbs, without is a nose or ears and It is because his father had sold. His body, his son's body to demons in order to Get a gain a blessing for his land, and basically gets a rain and recover from drought and protect their land from invading. Clans and so this Yakking who is born without all of these features, and his father and mother leave him to die, but the midwife takes pity on him, and puts him in a boat down the river, where he saved by a man who makes prosthetics and the man Beasley outfits him with prosthetics and raises him and eventually Jackie Mario, Learns that once he defeats the Demon, he will regain part of his body back, but every time he regained his body back. His father's domain starts to lose some of their blessing so Yucky. Margot's throughout his journey. now's a teenager. Defeating demons throughout the land and the title character in Question Dorado is young Urchin, who comes across him and the friends who've been basically becomes his sidekick and his mouthpieces well, because still has does not have the ability to speak or to see he just kind of senses, people through a supernatural sense. and. It is quite go test at the beginning. You see right off the bat. The birth of Yucky Mario and his skinless limbless baby infant body, and it's really horrifying, and there's just beheadings and ramp and pillaging and everything and lots of decapitated limbs all over the place, but it's really. Compelling and funds series, and I is also my kind of catnip like I absolutely love any kind of Ronin. Samurai series set in feudal times, dealing with demons like at a big sword, and you've got me hooked. And I I'm really I was really pleasantly surprised to find out how. Intense than how exciting this? Series despite being based off. Really Classic Manga and yet I I'm really enjoying it and I absolutely love just like how fast paced is how how stellar the the fight sequences are animated, and how just like the whole look of it, too is made very much to look like a modern anime, and not in the styles of Osama Tezuka, although there are some elements of the old Manga and the Oldham I think nineteen sixties anime that which was really an adaptation of it. in the new series so That's Dodo and that's on Amazon prime and. More back round for Osama Tezuka he's also the creator of Kimba. The White Lion, which was supposedly the The will be alleged inspiration for the lion king, so it's also kind of funny that there's some debate whether Osama Tezuka was inspired by Disney in creating his art style in DM, that being the the basis for anime as we know it, and it's kind of ironic that then his film his anime Kimba. White Line would become the inspiration alleged of the lion king, but anyways. That's sort of a fun, little side note and Dodo rocks. It's awesome. It's and that's streaming on Amazon prime. Very cool. Okay. Let's move on to what we've been eating. I've been talking recently about how many diet and it it's hard on a diet to find snacks that are low calorie and stuff I can eat not like binge. I found recently in the chip pile. Especially jets is hard to find chips that you can. You can have in the chip aisle. There's this thing called Ritz Crisp thins in. These are not like Rick Ritz crackers. The almost like chips. I'm not even sure what they're made out of, but for twenty one chips one hundred thirty calories it. They're very good. They come in like a bunch of different flavors I like the sour cream and onion There is like BASCO. There's a regular and there's Barbecue. Maybe something like that anyways. I JUST WANNA recommended. Anybody's looking for a low calorie snack. That actually tastes good Ritz, Crisp Thins Brad woody than eating. I finally got my hands on The latest craze in potato chips There's a new bacon later. Flavor of pringles Bacon Ater, being the Burger that you can get from Wendy's. It's like a double cheeseburger that has bacon and catch up and American cheese and Mayo on it. And when I heard that they were putting the sandwich into a trip, I thought man that sounds like a really bad idea I have to try it and I did, and it is a mediocre idea at best I, it doesn't really taste like a bacon to me. It tastes vaguely leg. They mix the bacon flavour pringle with the cheeseburger flavored pringle end. There's a slight catch up after taste to I don't know. It's. It really feels like they combined a bunch of different seasonings from other flavors into to make this one ship and Yeah, it's just. It doesn't really do do anything for me. I was hoping that it might be good, but maybe it's missing like a little bit of the cheese flavor, but there were there just kind of weird, and it's you can. You can definitely taste like artificial smokiness I guess that they probably put in to make it taste like a burger and it's just. How often Brad. Are you like actually satisfied with these themes like special edition? I would say maybe like. Two Five. Forty percent of the time you're saying. And that's that's why you try. Because you never know when you're going to find a new chipper like. Hey, this is really good. But are you worried like I I'm like this with you. Know Orioles every time there's a new oriole flavor half to try it, but. It feels like. Why get excited for like if it's something you love, it's probably never going to get made again, so it kind of like. Should, we not even try them because then if we love it like we only get to try it this one, but there are instances where like sometimes they'll introduce some new new something new to the table, and it's like a test to see if you'll become a new permanent flavor They've done that with soft drinks a lot and every now and then they do it with chips or cookies. So every other day to a lot of these snacks, which usually lasts like a good year year and a half after they're released, so if you really like. You know a certain flavor you can. You can just grab like an extra pack in hold onto until you're craving it again. Okay wh- what else have you been? Even also tried a new that I hadn't before. It's ever since I had that surprisingly great root beer float at Arby's just been craving root beer in general. I think it's just because it's hot outside. I like the idea of having a nice frosty root beer. And I when I was at the store, I saw this brand I'd never had before. I looked it up and apparently it's. had very good reviews that it's. A just a good recipe until it's Henry, Weinhard's root beer Even though that sounds like it might be like an alcoholic root beer. It's not it's totally just a regular root beer and it's It's really really good. It comes in a glass bottle, which is the best way to drink root beer if you can't have it in a frosty mug. And it has just enough bite to it still has that you know that's sweet flavor to it and that asprilla kind of flavor and it's not. It's not too hard of a bite, so it's It's just it's. It's a refreshing over periods. It's exactly what I was hoping for from from getting a six pack like this. What else I got this frozen pizza called. Mama cosies a breakfast pizza at all the. And so it's a pizza that has if it seems like it's kind of a croissant crust in the same way like that digiorno pizza. That were recently talked about not too long ago. And what has on top of it is the sauce is country gravy like biscuits and Gravy, and it has little breakfast. Sausage crumbles and cheese. And it's fantastic. I've seen breakfast pizza like this where they also put scrambled eggs on it and this one. They didn't didn't have that some in there, I imagine. Maybe it's harder to have frozen scrambled eggs on top of that, but you can add it on if you want you to. Even the box, but it's really good. That's the sausages flavorful. The gravy is great as the sauce on it, and the Cross was very crispy and flaky, so if you if you live near and all these seeking your hands on it, it's I'm not sure how often they get all these stocks kind of finicky and random at times, but it's a it's very good. Cool Jacob. What have you been eating? More like drinking. This is less of me one time. What would have been drinking more of a question for the group? which is I tried Tara. Mina Tequila the new Tequila that is heavily endorsed by one key investors. Dwayne the Rock Johnson and I'll be. Perfect view I bought tear Monticciolo because the rock endorsed, and because he pushes it constantly, and because it's like his baby, and if you've run social media fallen the Rock, you see him talking about Teramachi Keila all the time. It has a really cool label and literally Classy even though it's like a mid tier price, Akilah, and I bought. It adds good is a very good Tequila. I'm not. But? I've had my fair share, and this is a toll these. Specialist. I pay thirty three dollars the bottle. Been Question for the group. Have you ever bought a product a food? clothing anything because a celebrity endorsed it because the rock is the only person who can get adult me to buy Tequila. I mean y with alcohol. I can answer this, but I'm not sure if it's because the person, or because it was cool, but I've I've bought a crystal skull head vodka, which is from Dan Ackroyd, but that comes in like this. This crystal skull, so it just like looks cool, so I think I would have bought it anyways by might not have known about it if it wasn't for Dan Ackroyd. I feel so someone here has bought. Air Jordans Jordan. Someone has to back me up here. I'm not crazy person for thinking dwayne Johnson to endorse Akilah so I'm going to buy it. Wasn't an Dorsey, but I have dyed my hair. Because I've Seen A K pop star with that hair-color and thought I could pull it off and then. Subsequently could not pull it off. I haven't bought. A alcohol based on a celebrity, but I did by. The Statesman whiskey from old forester, because it was in Kingsman the golden circle. I think you're applying Chris has like a David. Lynch branded wine cellar, trying to think I can't. Do Anything I can think of is no. Lynch have like coffee or something I've never actually gone it I I know I must have at one point, but I can't. Think of anything. I mean currently I'm doing I'm doing DP Yoga, which is Yoga by a wrestler named diamond. Dallas page and I'm guessing I. Probably wouldn't have done that if I didn't know who he was. The point how to make your celebrity endorsements are still. So work for the most part. I! Don't know out trying to say here. Chairman Tequila I'm going to side with Dwayne Johnson here and say it's pretty good. Or even very good. It's good if you like he'll you like? You know what I got one for you. J, Cup. I think American Express. A credit card was like an old person's credit card, but then they started doing these commercials with like Wes Anderson, and Martin Scorsese and it totally wanted. To get an American Express credit card area. This is this is a story I needed. This is what I needed to hear okay. So how is it? Is, is it? Good, good. for like I said it's like a three dollar bottle, so it's not like the highest high end kilo, but it. It is totally delicious Tequila I enjoyed it very much. Okay let's move onto what we've been playing Jacob. You've been playing. I'm playing two games one of the only game that just hits intendo switch having my pc I, bought it a second time as much. That is invisible ink. It is a really great cyberpunk heist game where you play a spy agency, it's been decimated what you'll corporations in the future and you're on the run with limited resources, and you'd say a stealth game where you control your team of spies and agents like overhead view as you medicate them through these various facilities trying to steal equipment, steal money and subsea. Prepare yourself to rebuilder your company essentially. Fantastic I beat it on the PC and it's really great switched hits Richard Run based game where the game is only about five six hours long but each levels are randomly generated stuff you have, it can acquire always completely different you unlock more agents to change lineup and all different abilities, so you play the five six. Our game, which is like you know maybe four or five levels. You get a completely different experience. The idea that. Not going to be planning on a PC before. Pick it up switch and play level, or like play run in its put it back down. tastic their points in the UI where I wish a mouse but otherwise it's wish invitation is really strong game. hazard arts dialed to get out the game designers more, the art and the The design of the characters more like real realism. Cop Book. It has like a very hand-drawn look to it. So it means that translates really relative switch and he is not like. chugging on it, it actually is flying for most properly well. Some some occasional slowdown later levels, but It's one of the most satisfying games I played five years ago and hold great now on the switch S. Nineteen, ninety nine, and that's invisible ink as INC as an invisible inc. it's it's upon. also played on the dark picture. Anthology Management Dan and. This is an interesting thing. Because supermassive games he made. This may game. Five years ago called until dawn. was, a narrative based Hara game where you played as a group of teenagers or young adults who are at a cabin in the woods, and it becomes a slasher movie, a monster and awards movie because the movie and you have had very very strong control over the character issue. had make choices like who they like who they hate Were they going to do in this situation? They're going to go through behind the closet or outside the house Do Button presses to like Sarai fights or leap over chasms and. It was really exciting and. A twelve to fifteen hour long game, but supermassive games learned was that people were playing until dawn as a group. They like off controller like I'm gonNA play, so and so and you play so and so or was all play together as a group like a big movie in like just like make choices together I played until Donald Played. I played twice that way. With different groups and get completely different stories where people lived and died in different ways so dark, picture and theology. is a new initiative warlike. Basis, they plan to release a new game like until in that Yo you're essentially controlling a horror movie. Shaping the narrative but instead of being fifteen hours is. Maybe five six hours is meant to be game, but he played either solo or with a group. In one session and we ended up playing in two sessions, but Even even have multiplayer mode. We can handle controller into the game play. It's really built to be like on group experience now, which is great and. Matama Dan I don't want so much with the plot. It's thirty as they have. One of the main consoles except for switch. It's a little bit graphics graphic intensive. It's seed, Appalachian, four or an xbox, one or a PC to play. but basically just is. there is a host character, the curator who seems like sterling type welcome to the dark pictures and policy interest. The story case pops into like judge you for your choices, and like provide context, and you see him observing scenes throughout the game, really creepy way and game south is very fun, and actually it's interesting. Stars Shawn Ashmore the actor WHO's. Playing a young version of self, because even though he's in his forties now he's playing character like maybe twenty years ago and similarly how a pre fame? Rainy Malik was a star of the previous game until dawn, and we'll. Her is star of the next architecture thalji which later this year, so they? They really seem to be finding. You know recognizable a really good actress to lead these horror stories which are written by Larry Fenton. Who is one of the? King's like weird cult Har- cinema, so weird ways like Larry Festivals Neil the right these like blockbuster side stories that have hundred fifty million dollar movie budgets but their video games. You're able to like you know. Play through the story and. I find it. This. Little research about Madam. I really appreciate a game of shorter. They have the create more options like the character who was the hero in my story who has evolved final battle more or less, who emerges like the heroic protagonist Condi- hour to the game. If you make the wrong choices like the game becomes completely different, based on like the decisions you make, and it's really fun. The terrible themes on by the way the opening credits have the worst song I've ever heard was try hard bullshit, but you past that and I'm really excited about dark dark picture. Going forward at the by every one of these, because there is so much fun. House the replay ability on something like that. I played until Don previous game. twice was much longer game and its grueling around. I don't want myself to a fully planned to play Madame, and again when I can group with me, so I can watch be different even though the same may be the same overarching structure of characters arden's location location, but who is there who's alive? WHO's active? WHO's of who was like? WHO's in the lead who is? you know the hero character who is like the Shitty character you know? All complete different like just looking at a little tree of options proved that like. Oh, the game got a completely different from the game. You also get. That sounds really cool actually. Yeah okay, well that does it for today's slash on daily. You can find more Volvo work. It's awesome. Economy can find this podcast on itunes. Google overcast spotify all the popular podcast. APPs please feel free to send your feedback questions. Comments Concerns. Cepeda Peter. SLASH ON COM and please rate rear this podcast nineteen to tell your friends the word. We'll see you on Friday. 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Soundbite: Personal Balance & Growth

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Soundbite: Personal Balance & Growth

"Welcome to the property voice. PODCAST helping to navigate safely through the. We'll get the low down an updates insights and outcomes on all matters property with the property voice a voice to trust among the crowd. Now let's get started with your house. Richard Brown to another episode of the prophecy voice. PODCAST my name is Richard Brown and as always it's a pleasure to have you join me get on the show today Eh will happen you folks. You probably heard that quite long as few weeks. It's obviously about three weeks into the new year now. Not sure when you can stop when you Ryan to stop Sir Wishing People Happy New Year in my book. It's usually the month of January. Knows good so what happened here yet. Because it's the first time I've spoken to you obviously in this area so I hope appeal feeding refreshed and recharged after a very nice indeed festive break i. Certainly I'm really really need a bit of time off and just a chill and do some reflection and it was quite and you find out process which is really stimulated the idea for today's podcast the episode something of an introduction ready to the You know get back into shape of a cold webs after spell out so it's audio only no video. I'm tired of feeling I just got my gym clothes on Unshaven I yeah. I'm just not in the mood video so I was just share an audio version with you today. I said the two things everyone needs to talk about today. The Connor related one is about violence so having a balanced life. If you like very simplistically stickler or or or embracing should I say and the other one is all about growth personal Much related If you anything like it may you might have used the interview as an opportunity. Perhaps to do some sort of review POPs the last year and some planning looking ahead to due to this year as well and I may be looking your goals and looking at what you intend to achieve over the next twelve months. Certainly part of what I did this. You did something slightly lightening different because I Got Hold of a journal from Darren holiday. You might know down hardy. Who wrote the compound effects will? He's also so produced a journal which he calls living your best year ever and from what I can gather. It's not available all the time I think he's on a limited release basis and it's updates it from time to time but became highly recommended to me by mastermind group on a member of what's all this about. Let's have a look at it and myself a copy a tip if you order three copies at once you get a discount which might cover shipping costs so if you thinking about getting a copy of south or yeah maybe you could club together with other people and get one. That's a little bit of a sidebar. I'm not in any sort of Affiliates game we've down hard just me but it was. It was really thought provoking okay. That's what I really wanted to say. I do an interview review I do planning etc but this this is something else. Another level really It takes into quite a lot of detail. That was very healthy to do that. I would actually estimate I spent probably over three days in total on this process. Not In one go but don't sit out over the course of a couple of weeks actually a couple of hours time just going through the exercises and do You know some of it was reflective and some of its Ford looking to set and make sure have my sort of strategy and my goals in life for this year ahead so into that process so they were something it might want to recommend to you and but one of the exercises just oppose on this is all about the The balance on it was he assist to undetake. Take an exercise where we look at the the wheel of life you might have heard of the wheel of life. It's tool that you can use usually to self score yourself in a a number of areas of our life. Typically we have things like friends and family I love Romance. Finance Business Those sorts of categories degrees. If you like it if you if you sorry in Darren's version I think there were potentially eight different categories and unless you say slightly bias towards leaning towards his his way of thinking his his world if you like Including do you subscribe to our daily and you got a point on the scoring system. If if you listen or watch Darren daily. Will you know I just a little bit skewed in a way so an equally as a little bit satisfied with the that will there are other elements in the journal which is excellent but up particularly well. I wanted to go reinvent. The wheel did nice. I I went looking online and did a lot of research on the wheel of life It's it's a pretty common coaching tool self evaluation. So that you can just go look on Google. You can find lots of versions yourself and you you can. You can just build your model effectively but I wanted to build a model And the MARLINS is looking somewhat dissatisfied with and the reason was dissatisfied find. I felt there was a couple of missing elements in order to do this justice Most people he uses tool they try to find so eight areas keeps it relatively simple simple score yourself. In A areas focus on areas going forward and you can have a balanced life will just tell you that my reinvented wheel has twelve. I think he's tall. Yeah twelve various. Does indeed then you might think Oh blimey that's like that's like fifty percent bowl work and but actually if I tell you that two areas areas one of which is a spiritual moral compass. This is all about a direction an Anon- firmly believe if you don't know you'll pup if you don't know your direction in life then poker you bleed deponent's life. How do you know what you want? How do you know what is the right direction? The poverty should be heading on so yeah. I have strong views about that. So there's as a whole the the there was a section on spiritual and moral compass that I really want to bring into it and on the other. The other one I felt was missing. You could argue these. Don't don't really form parts of this will either one was about habits if you like and I'm just looking for the part on my particular wheel to what she she cold at habits and routine. That's what I called. How to the two of the twelve although one spiritual moral compass the otherwise habits routine and so and then that leaves ten and so it just kind of expanded downs? Your General Wilbert to new categories and evacuated spiritual Moral Compass inhabit some routine. I'll now I'll just check off so that you're aware you think oh yes that makes sense so houthem wellbeing who could argue. That shouldn't be on wheel of life. Money and finance friends visit family love and adventure so not loving adventure probably combined those two together love and romance is what I meant to say and the other one lifestyle fun and adventure. But it's up to you if you want to combine those We're GONNA win a modern world home environment creativity and cultural business and career community and contribution. I think that's all of them. I'm on slide model up because of just tried to put them in a different sequence to what's in front of anyway. Needless to say when you undertake this exercise you do quickly realize if there's a bit of an imbalance in any particular area and it's very easy. I think we're having this this type of conversation. Let's conversation even on talking to you that we look at the big to as a corporate money and finance and business career. That's when we start talking about goals. We usually start talking about goals. We friends and family and and with our with our partners Dewey but actually the the. It's all part of having a sort of well well rounded life so I think he's great to look at these different areas and so long story short. I constructed a a reinvented wheel of life with these particular areas and seeking. Just you know they break down into four key areas. We've got guidance and growth. We've got relationships. We've got health and wealth and we've got lifestyle so I just felt they broke down neatly into those particular areas and the twelve break down into the four. Aw categories if you like so if you WANNA get a picture this is going to be a picture in the show notes and equally if you'd like to get hold of copy of the We I love life that And the school cod. That goes along with that that I create it. I'm going to share that with you as a resource. Just drop me a line And I'll I'll Alfred share that with you. It comes with some instructions to complete it and it takes about fifty minutes just to complete. So he's not doing as perhaps it might sound. Needless to say once you start looking at the live your life imbalance you start to see pap saw this areas where you could do some improvement and some gaps that prompts needed a little bit of working on so that was the first party if you can making sure we have balance in our life because there has to be more to it than just work and money and all that sort of stuff the most of life than that so as human beings we've got bigger needs and we want more than perhaps some of the other more instinct driven animals out there so we we we strive to improve and grow and we want meaningful connections. We WanNA purpose and we WANNA have some fun on on the way as well so one of the things that that's the wheel of life and I just wanted to shut up pot for so if you WanNa copy me line I'll be more than happy to share that with you but equally just if you don't want to complete the wheel just give some thought. Is Your Life in behind and Because thinking can be sustainable. If he's not quite frankly so there we all the next part of what I wanted to share. It was all about Postal Growth and looking at post them grow as far as I was doing some research and Funny enough actually. If you if you look at down haughty again he quoted just three percents of people have some form of formalized approach personal development just three percent. It's snow law is it. So I'm I'm sure most of you listening to this. PODCAST pro beyond interested in personal development to some degree. That's probably why you're even listening so you may be in the minority But trust me you're not in the majority of people out there in the world because it seems everybody does have this sort of approach. Weldon you if you aw anything well. Maybe there's something if you as well but started looking at postal grocery development. I've been looking at this quite extensively I I I consider myself a lifelong learner anyway. But I've been looking at this topic quite extensive Recently there's a book called mindset have by Ah Kau and she talks about having a growth mindset versus having fixed mindset. It's a really interesting read By the white. So it's it's baby. Maybe a book you WanNa get. You WanNa get holes in any case and whilst run the subject to book references GonNa Mention this later on but just finished a book called the Spartan Way and And that was you know this. The author think is Jaundice and go wrong. But I'll put the links to the books in the show nets for and he's talking about living spots in life or living life as a sponsor would and if I just say that He's got sort of eight principal. He's got no more principles but he summarizes this. Is things like pushing your body and minds the limits monster motions giving generously being a leader standing up for your beliefs and no knowing knowing your strengths and your floors proving yourself free actions not your words integrity in other words and living everyday like it's your last so I'll apiece stimulated I guess you could say we've some of the reading the some of the things I want mation right now being guys I while which put me into that place but what I really wanted to show was the idea of of our comfort zone. They probably are. You probably heard of the idea of the of our comfort zone. And if we're in a comfort zone we we feel safe and we feel in control. You know we might also feel bored and unchallenged. It's a safe place is kind of routine we know nothing. Nothing's really stretching in life. We perhaps go out to work. We're doing a job or okay with that. We're not really pushing hard. Probably come back and we just got our home life. You know. It's just settled down to the normal routine but how we really pushing ourselves and the point being by stretching outside of our comfort zone then we all growing and this links also to the growth mindset. I talked about earlier. That cowboy talks about so putting these ideas together if we're not comfort zone owned by definition when all growing and so I just we did a couple of models out there. There's like the the the comfort so model. It's hard for me to describe. I'll show show show picture in the show notes. The Comfort Zone model goes from left to right for comfort zone into the fears own. I'll come back to that. The the incident the learnings are and then finally the growth zone but this is really lifted. This comfort zone model is lifted by a personal senator. WHO looked Komo growth in studied this concept Least a decade or two a guy and he had a most simplistic model he had the comfort siren the learning zone and and then the panic zone. So I'm going to try and tie those two concepts together a little bit so we're in the comfort zone as I mentioned fairly static. We're fairly stable. We feel safe if we feel in control. But perhaps we feel a little bit bored and Logan unchallenging. Maybe we're not pushing ourselves to our capabilities. The strength the length of our capabilities and now we might want me a little bit afraid. And that's the fears. I from the comfort model. We might be a little bit afraid. We might like you know self-confidence we might find some excuses excuses and we might be affected by the People's opinions if we say we want to do something willing to learn something you we want to develop a new business model. For example fear could strikus focus and it could keep us back. It could hold us back so we need to push through fear and if we push for via hopefully we'll get to what's called the learning zone them both bottles have the learning zone and that's why we're we're willing to take some risks and And maybe be challenged. We might feel exhilarate. We might feel excited some of the emotions that we might. I feel that We winning two problems and challenges to we might use skills and of course extending By going into this into this learning son mess really applies to be a d'essai many many of us listening right now a proxy in that place if we're going to the Into into the next box on the left which he can't say put the learning the conference. Oh model if we get into what was called the growth sign. That's what Maslo might. Oh cool self actualization. If you're familiar with the MASLOW's hierarchy of needs we got this pyramid atop his self actualization where we really everything thing is just going. You know we're living on dreams. We've found our purpose. We can then set new goals and we can conquer those objectives so we really cooking bass. We're not also learning. We really sort of applying and stretching onto yet another level so that's the Sun But I guess looking back to sending his model He's he's got another sign which is called the panics. So we had the phase out earlier which can hold us back and then we've got the panic zone which is where we've overextended ourselves so in this is really where we feel exhausted or even tense anxious and again afraid because if we push ourselves too far perhaps a out side of our calm so we might actually find ourselves in this panicked side and of course that's not a good place to be so we need to find this balance that way. We need to find the balance to get out of our comfort zone breakthrough the design into the learning zone. And if we're fortunate enough we might sale self actualize in London. The Grove sewed and hopefully not getting the panic zone where we just overextended ourselves and that can happen. So that's another reason. Why actually talk about the wheel of life so the purpose of the wheel of life? You should make sure that we're not overextending ourselves. We've learning development and maybe it comes too much of a price too much of a cost Some other elements of our lives so I think the two things go hand in hand. Hopefully you can see even if you couldn't see me trying to describe the pictures but the they're going to be in the show notes and if you've been the following anything up in sharing on social media probably seen them anyway. If you haven't no problem is going to be there for you to refer back to so I guess that's the main thing I wanted to talk about and and really to put in context. If you've really been working on your goals and Joe Your plans for the year one. How balanced solving so? Have you addressed all of those. You know twelve areas of talks about four categories. The twelve areas on the personal balance so of the wheel of life is talked about earlier. It might be Wefa check in there that you think and second of all in terms of your learning and development. Have you made sure that it's against striking striking the right balance the stretching you out of your comfort zone hopefully going to push through the fear but without getting the panic zone that you take it on too much I think yeah. We've all got to have this sense of balance and sense of perspective in my life and so it's it's just finding the right place learning and then hopefully landing in the growth zone As we probably as we mature we sought to realize on goals and dreams and our purpose in life. They are the main things I really wanted to talk about today and just to kick as off particularly as New Year's resolutions plans set your mind. Be at the top of our mind. Hopefully that's helpful as mentioned. Drop me a line if you'd I'd like to get hold of the reinvented wheel of life with it. So scorecard system. You know you can always reach me podcasts. At the property voice start net. I've I'll be. I'll be happy to due to share that information with you and in fact this particular theme is similar to the article on. Just come prepared for my wife. Yan N con the Your Property Network column. I write every month. You ought to wear the eye right for Wipe Ian. I believe if not nuclear always get hold of a copy of this article joint airline again. I need all of the articles. I write for. Wipe Ian Magazine. If you just just want me aligned put Casper property voice dot net and if you're interested in subscribing to the wind peon articles. I'll so make sure that my sister Karen As you to the list so you can see all the back catalog and then you'll get a little nudge. Every now and again when there's a new article has come out so very common theme is top off of mind What it didn't mention his come right in the middle of a twenty one day challenge The only on indeed a small group of people is about a dozen of us have taken on where which is trying to bring in a new habits into our lives each day so stimulated by some of this stuff as you can probably imagine. I think we're about ten days into the twenty. He won't die. Challenge trying to do something every single day that includes weekends. which is you know building to business goals. I just building towards personal habits awesome routines and of course it's in the wheel of life trying to bed. Things ain't personally. I'm trying to exercise every single day for twenty one days and that's gone really really well almost on every single angled for twenty one days. Sometimes it used to take weekends off for example so just you know build a new habit and the best way to build new hobby is to practice it and have the discipline and then it becomes comes second nature so different people got different habits. Some people are journaling. Some people are trying to get a certain times have a morning routine. A lot of people do an exercise dodge Anyway I might share some of that and just some of the findings of exercise Lake Shore. And how that's going anyway. I do do digress. I probably ought to draw the episode to acquire. I guess I'll just Signpost you to the website pro choice network you can find a brief summary of the show. So now it's an thing referred to today such book links. The resources will be mentioned there too so that some of the website but I guess all that remains to be he said right now is Thank you very much for joining me once again on the policy voice. PODCAST until next time. Thank you for listening today now. The property voice don't match for more inspirational contents and gets aren't they through our mailing list. Join US next time on the property voice podcast and if you enjoyed the show least on forgets way. Toss on June

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"Hey Everyone Naomi from couples therapy here. Are you like me. Do you have this thing where if one person in your house gets sick you brace yourself for when it's going to be your turn well it turns out that when one person gets the flu there's up to a sixty percent chance that someone else in their house may also catch the flu but now you can be a flu. Lou fighter with a flu shot from walgreens. It's your shot to protect you and the ones you love or the ones who just share a house with so stop into your neighborhood walgreens no appointments appointments necessary and you get a flu shot. That's free to you with most insurance again. Go to Walgreens and get yourself handled. Open your hearth listen. You're but's it's time for their league. Yeah this. It's with talking excellent. cousinly messy situation shifts in conscious uncoupling from net flicks to stay with the Mulu six regret. They were eating therapy guarantee baby weekend. Everyone woken couples therapy. My name is Andy and I am Naomi. Tell me and we are a real life. Couple arrive couple of Comedians and on this show we take the best sets from our live show where we have comics who are closed due sets together about about their relationship and bring them to you but sometimes we have people in the studio. This is one of those times now me who our guest today. Oh my God we have got some real stars. We have Blair sake and Ron funches up in this piece. They are wonderful comics. They are on tour together. You can get details details in tickets at Ron funches dot com but also if you are listening to this you got time this weekend October third through fifth Blair and Ron. We'll be capcity in Austin. Texas and you can check them out if you are in the area and if you're not in the area wanted to take a flight to Austin. It's a great city. We've been there before now. You can could eat so much barbecue. You can help keep it. We feared as they say there's so much to do if you're hanging out in Austin and you could see blaring run. I'll say this there's also it's not just barbecue. He can get brunch. You like Brunch. Take a flight to Austin Baby lyda Austin for abroad. That's what I say no but we talked to a both standups. They tore together talk to them in this episode about their friendship but the things that connect them about life on the road as road. Oh Dogs Clean Road Dogg Clean Fresh Rhode Rhode cats yes to be honest yeah definitely yeah but before we get into that wonderful conversation a a little bit of Hausky Ban Yeah if you don't live in Austin but you do live in Los Angeles you should come to our next live show which is October fifth at the virgils tape. PM I'm very psyched about the lineup Jamie Lee who you know from stand up from the HBO show crashing. Yes and many other things she's going to be on the the show drew druggy and Sam Pancake Goof. You don't know them. You will know them and you will fall in love much like Naomi. I have with each other much like the way we fall in love with each other so you'll fall in love pancake and then you will get engaged to them for seven years and eventually have a wedding yeah and if you want to go to bat show get tickets at couples therapy pot dot com while you're on the website you can sign up for our Patriot now Namuli we do deep dives twice a month. Just the the two of us we get into the history of our relationship into the currency of our relationship current dash as why our relationship and many other things and it's quite a fun time. I think I hey look I'm having fun. Look we're having fun. We're having fun so you can sign up for the Patriots and there get those extra effort a month and also while you are on the website as you know we also do episodes where we answer questions and give advice usually with a wonderful guest in the studio. If you've got a question if you wanna hear our two cents give us a ring and that number is on the website but andy. Why don't you give them a little refresher. Just in case sure. Get your pens out. I'll wait got them all right three two three five two four seven eight three nine anything. You don't have to be about a lowering your life. It could be about Mama drama. It could be about a friend and it could be about a work jerk boom free rhymes. I did it could go. Whatever you'll issues is honey? We got the tissues so give us a ring a Ding Dong. What am I doing Komo have you. You know what I had a caffeine pill in starbucks refreshing. That was too much. Yeah I believe is two hundred and ninety milligrams might be too bad shaking like the flash about to travel in time yes. I'm definitely going to go back in time. I'm going to create some sort of a time remnant. That's that's what's going to happen to be the flash. Don't you talk about it enough. He's in love with a black woman anyway grant custody. If you're listening granted us and don't worry don't worry he's come on the show finally Naomi. We just started doing this really we have a we don't ever send it out really but every once in a while we have a newsletter and people either tweet at us or they write us at couples therapy pottage email dot com and then when you come into our city you should come to our city or something like that. I think this is a good way of like telling people when we're we're coming to their city. Yeah we're GONNA start touring the show on more and it also lets us know was cities. Are Are people in you know what I'm saying because you're trying to lead a house before for two people arms crossed I need to we're the lovers live. So if the newsletter we are not spamming. You're not hitting you up. We're letting you know we're coming. We're letting you know about lineups and it also helps us know where to be yeah. I think that's about it right. How do you feel besides the fact that you are like shuttering with caffeine. I'm loopy as fuck but I'm feeling great all right well. Thanks for listening and now we're GonNa talk to Ron and Blair role at for sitting here with true friendships chipped. This is a friendship table true friendships yeah friendship you're with Blair Blair's friends with Ron Right where you and I are friends. Yeah Yeah and you and I are friends. Yeah that's True Ron and I will get there. We hugged at a party recently. I said this is a good first. Step you start somewhere. I like I just I don't no you as a person so I don't know that is true. `nigma honestly believe a the general vibe. It's like I'm smiling. I'm I'm here. I'm open my main. What's underneath me that I think about Ron. That's an an enigma in my head. It's like he's so hard working regimented but like a weed smoker and I can't. It's so hard for me to compete. There's a handful of those you get your Doug Benson's. You got your Alana Glazer's. You're not you're on fund yeah yeah. He's like the gym all the time by one million things in one on Day Mike. How do you take one hit of weed. I like forget my name. Do you really keep yourself that crazy busy I'm Ki Yeah. It just happens to them going out of the way to do but yeah schedule's insane. I couldn't imagine I like to activities at daytime. Go you've done it honestly to is a bit of an exaggeration well. You must count showering one yeah. That's true the whole thing. Even that is an exaggeration rod and Blair. You guys are Comedians your Maddie's I'm comes therapy. We bring friend does together. Comedian does create a friend does and we're like how how did it all begin. Read the friendship. Come from tell me about it. Tell me more we've been. We've been emailing with you guys for so long and get you on the show and it just feels like it's time to unpack all all now. We'll run a movie. I so I might want support. Yeah you the new Batman Yeah. I'd I walk. How did we become friends. You do you WANNA say or no you go ahead. Okay okay so I saw my first comedy show. When I was twenty twenty five and I was a writer you know in Orange County. They don't have like comedy culture. I've seen the yeah and and so then I got into it and I started writing about it because I was like I wanted to be a novelist at the time it was like a a writer I never wanted to my mind. Signed hadn't told me that I wanted to be a comedian at that time but I started interviewing comics and then I met Ron when he had his half hour. Oh and I wrote an article for Woodside or about whom we became friends yeah and I met her and we talked about comedy and I was like Yes. She definitely really wants to do kind. Nobody who who wants to interview me talk to me about comedy as much who doesn't Wanna I also do. We really getting the nitty gritty like what's a punchline on my God the when I look back and think about the questions I ask ask but still like I didn't know yet that I wanted to do it but the questions I was asking late looking back. Do Yeah like just everything about starting Megan. How would you would type of jokes do ooh but then we also mutual friends and then just yeah and I followed him. We stayed friends and stuff jeff there something beyond comedy that can I is there some other area that your friendship coalesce around like like the rings of Saturn. Yeah not wrestling music video games housewives of orange things that I feel like are the bedrock of our a friendship. We both like silly things like like a lot of people exhilarating from things self-improvement improvement food yeah what else I would say the thing that kind of draws us together overall like we're both smart people who loved them Hsieh That's a friendship log line right there. Yeah I love Dumb Shit Yeah. It was both pants. Mommy both kindness is a big part of our friendship is that we both liked being kind people but overall. It's just like a both people people who are intelligent and enjoy being nice but also just enjoy a nice waterslide driven river day. If you guys take in a Lazy River the one time we were in Wisconsin this summer and then Ron was like we're going to the water park tomorrow and I probably hadn't been injured water parks in solid like fourteen or fifteen but I was really excited. I wasn't prepared to go. We had like the best day in the world. Well there was like full reliving your childhood and that's a good thing we liked childhood some things. I care to forget but the good thing because the fun part is reshaping was redoing money for Jesus Fried achieve girds the first time it was really fun we went in the Lazy River we run and Gabe and they got off after two laps and I stayed paid for the rest of the day over can use wet t-shirt and shorts. I want t shirt and shorts on top of my bathing suit but only because because I didn't know how to survive the sun in the day for the whole day. I was like all die someone who doesn't want to take their clothes off to enjoy enjoy a lazy river could wear pants and sweat shirt and the water right. I think you got chunks underneath Do you guys do a lot of activities then when you're on the road together I feel like I always think about comics when they go. Hey friends. Let's let's do some shows together. It's more we're like lecturing all night and then sleep till four but it sounds like y'all are out in the streets experiencing these cities and towns. Are you thinking of comedy in one thousand nine hundred eight. When I was talking to the dice. He told me this is what we do. Hey Black Lady and I go you dicey. Tell me about Gaga the same with me when I saw him there. Als Wow what's happening. Oh no we like. Don't don't do that at all sleep. After yeah we usually are typical days of the shows we get in workout usually bless you and then we'll go get lunch which is usually the US trying to find some type of Asian fusion. We all love Asian fusion like that's our agreed upon like love it yeah because usually actually kinda healthy both be bowl a little chicken bowl or something as Asian Vision Fukushima in the Japanese nuclear power plant that overloaded issues missing using our meal. Yeah Vision or let me just do shows smoke some pot what jim boom usually they're the Adam Sandler movie water boys coming through but it's so funny. I mean like this. I assigned been on tour but it sounds like I've worn else's experiences a bit different that ours like when there will be like comics in town in like. Let's go glow party or something and we're like no chance in how to sleep. GotTa go to bed. I don't like to Party when I know that I can go home. Let alone know that I have to do a show and travel somewhere or if there's there's a hotel bed. If I know a hotel bed is waiting for me. Why would I leave. Why would I think the exit the hotel bid yeah. We got our waters. We got our candy no but I think we it's so fun. 'cause we like we laughed so much. Which o'malley sound like my mom we play Pinochle so many laughs always always says when she sees one of her friends we have so many left yeah rice become your from Orange County right. Where are you conventions. I'm originally I was born in Gardena possess raised in Chicago. Oh God then I started comedy in Portland Oregon. And how have you been in. La then back here for seven years why Chicago to Portland Mall Chicago's just where my mom was living and then I ended up moving with my dad. He worked construction in Oregon had construction boom so sorry I ended up their house Portland Life. What was it like. What was the VIBE? When I lived there. It was I I mean just doing comedy for fun and just no one really kind of thought. They were gonNA become anything or do anything so it was really fun in that regard but the like I look back and I was like Oh. It wasn't healthy at all. It doesn't seem like a Lotta like bicycles with giant front wheels and white supremacists I'm glad okay. Tell me more is just I mean. It's a cool place. It's yeah I mean there yeah. There's some of that in Oregon for sure but Portland itself is Pretty Level Pretty Fun Place Pretty Smart Place. It was a great place to start comedy because it was a lot of people aw who were very intelligent who didn't watch a Lotta. TV and you can come up with really weird as jokes and it was a really cool place to kind of like come. What would your own voice because at the time there wasn't really any like prototype on how to become successful comedy and anything you were like I'm going. He's GonNa end up in Montana. Doing triple runs hate in life. That was the goal the goal triple round Hayden live in here. You are loving. I do love it very happy. It's like when you're coming up. A lot of people like with people above them. They got you only get those like meet. People like that like I feel like in smaller towns. I never really I thought I was going to have a mentor. You know I was like teams like dudes. Get the mentors is rare. Also where like I feel funny around on Ron. You know like I feel. I feel like that's rare to especially when you're working for someone like I don't know you're probably more scared scared but I feel like funny and loose. I just feel supported obviously has given me so many opportunities in many feel like believed even believed in Nice. This is good for me okay. We're GONNA come back from a quick break and talk about why Ronda we were accidentally trying to switch off Naomi from couples therapy here talking to you about getting a flu shot. If you're a parent you know what happens when your child gets sick the coughs without covering their mouths the sneezes right into everybody else's faces aces and they seem to touch everything possible. No wonder the flu loves children. They're the perfect spreader germs and it turns out that when one person and gets the flu in the house there's up to a sixty percent chance that someone else in their house may also catch the flu so we are going to have to get this handled. This flu season be a flu flew fighter with a flu shot from walgreens. Just stop in to your local walgreens. No appointment is necessary at all and the flu shot will be free to you with most insurance so go get. This season's flew under control back way right. This is a new piece of information for you thought we were trying to that this show. We were trying to put you romantically. We're like the tender podcast. I'm in your name is misleading. I would say couple could mean anything yeah but Rhonda's like a couple of donuts donuts what's going on here. Why are they COUPLA say they're not all sorts of just what went through your mind rod the US down gently it. Why don't you say there's someone who is is in it. I just didn't know what it was about window. Blair told me it was about friendship and I like it. I just didn't want to I mean I. I think it's fun. It's one of the cool where things in sweet things about it that there is like it's a pure platonic friendship like it just friendship of someone who is. L- see their comedy and I see their work ethic and I see a lot of myself and what she does is. She's a sweet little. Weirdo refund voice that either you get or you don't fucking fall in love with it yeah. I got US support that because I need I needed to hell. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I definitely oh because generally like what I see on. Stage is not what I thought I would see before. I knew you right before I taste of course yeah this alabaster skinned blond hair from the and then I feel like you said you were like before I knew you. You were writer and stuff like you played sports. You Know Surf Yes yes. I would never have surfer. They never know you were both incredibly funny and had a masters degree ramming this bitch containing multitude world. Does that happen you. Do people come through with misjudgment allot you you know when I was first started. I felt very extremely painfully. Aware of like what I wa. I was when I wore like triple X. L. flannels that everyone made fun of me for my first three years of comedy I was like why do you wear trash bags on stage you opening for Nirvana. You know I just like really was like Oh. Everyone is GonNa see me a certain way and that was really in the front of my mind. I don't think it changed the way anything I did like like how I am. Now is like just what came out right away I think because my leg shook onstage for a long tunnel is so scared that I became him aggressive as a way to compensate and so now I still have that I like it. It feels good on stage should be like that probably because I'm like can be pretty like passive in real life and then I just kind of stop thinking about it at all like I like who gives a fuck what they think. They're going to get what they're going to get like now. Sometimes sometimes I also feel like to just like jam things down. People's throats people's buds your wait. Your skewering people like roasting on a spit now not at all just like some wild shoot onstage It'll be like a a something I would think. I'm crazy that I'm trying to make them get on board with example do your entire act. I don't even know what I'm referring to the already. I get their heads chopped off yeah like when I watch Ron do comedy. It's just like it does he does. He's like dislike easy. In the crowd is like anything you it. You guys you said both for each of you kindnesses important why like what I I know we work in a town. That's sociopaths. It seems that regardless regardless of your moral ethical stance in this town. It doesn't matter what matters is the perception that you are successful. You could be a murderer but he had a hit show. NBC Follow you on twitter. Eh so seemingly not an advantage yet import it into both of you. Why why oh well especially you can just see it. Unraveling even more like like comedy is rapidly becoming a two party system. I'm psychotic. It's getting crazier and crazier but I guess it's just like AAC. Are we as Comedians. Forget that like we're also living a life and like I want to be cognizant of that everyday like I want us around with myself with people who are like. Oh this. I'm GonNa get so made fun of for this but we're not like I just WanNa be around people that are leaving me feeling positive positive impact on the world in like making me feel happy like I don't have time to be. I don't when I talked shit which I do. I always feel bad about it like I don't feel good about myself. When I do it. I can honestly say like we just have fun together. WHO LIKE MICA vintage way Ole time phone. We throwing web creates. It's just like Nice. I don't know Oh like I wanna I want like. Oh and we talked about this a lot to like. We both I like silly comedy. like so so much is so fucking serious. Mike so much comedy is so serious and just like. I just like I wanna be nice. I WanNa have fun our silly. That's what I want out of life and so it's just like it's nice to have like friends and like comedy like lineup to piggyback off of that is just like a lot of sometimes people will look at negative things in the world and things like the best way to do that the constantly attacking that and constantly being like look what he's doing. He's a juror lied. See what could you see what's going on in the White House all the time to me. That's like that's not being positive. That's just constantly pointing out negative and I would. I like about Blair and what I like about. Gabe people around me is usually rather like it's. It's not like we're ignoring. What's going on in the world. We're just be like well. This is what we can do to combat that is we can be positive we can showcase the type of world that we want to build in. That's what I always see in in someone like Blair and that's what I like bigger than comedy. Is that same thing I don't have time. I have a son and they have busy. I don't have time to be around people with a bunch of drama negatively. I need positivity. I don't I'm trying to do a lot of things and I get scared us. Only we need people around me who are like you can do. I don't need someone that says I can't do it because I will believe that person so I need people who believe in me and I and I believe in them and I always was just better be around. Positive people in kindness is just type of comedy that I love that grew up on even even to this day like I saw Carol Burnett at in San Francisco June just a Q. and A. and just her in Conan is is like a Lotta people at in the day when they talk about comedy talk about at the end of the day being kind in in in how that is more powerful and that's what I love and that type of comedy that I think is deeper than more of this lake sarcastic or just cutting or than like there's a there is a comedy and kindness. China's that goes untapped that is beautiful and deeply moving and that's what I want to try to work towards. Hello own it. That was a super bowl Sunday. It was a superstar like you know and there are people like that. Do you know those conversations need to be had a lake. AAC and I respect all those people doing it and I'm like. I don't know that's not what I can. `fess not what is innate in me you know also for me. I love like escapist stuff like I. I like that like the books I read fantasy so like it comedy. I like like really silly like whimsical shit. That makes me feel like I'm forgetting about like atrocity for bit yeah. That's what I like yeah. Yeah I'm with you. I don't need I mean Twitter is a nightmare at the moment. Oh my God it's getting every day I sit there and I just rights silly shit which would have gotten me my own. TV show show about ten years ago. Oh yeah that's what would have happened no seriously now. If you were ten years ago they'd be gold gold. Could you imagine when executives which is handing out shows movies. I could have been running a studio so I could have been. I have chosen what to do with spider man Man. That's how people I say about lunch. Shell like ten years ago development. Thanks for telling looking to the sky. I smoke alone cigarettes twitter ten years ago. Carson would have invited me over to the couch and the next day I would have had a guest star role on the drew Carey show. Oh God that's what we all wish. We all wish just a guest going just a walk. I'm sorry that you lost shoes Saturday night. The negative things about Alabama's I did did offer look. I didn't say I'm sorry but I'm sorry if someone was offending work five that stuff then look at what's going on these Jewish seeing and if you look alike no you're much more hints who are but you've got similar frown face with WHO with the guy who got firefighters all okay. Andy just like the races they just got fired from SNL. I don't see any little bit. You just go through whole spiel about kindness I free through. This is part of airing me. Steve is a human around this talk yeah just around it. You not not ah the details tried to climb back and he has left the building. We're gonNA take a break. What we try to bring hey ladies we've been here right if thinking about buying hair but but there's two things you gotta consider the cost of the hair and the cost to install it. Jones sacrifice the quality of your hair just so you can afford to put it in get the best hair and the game at the price you can afford with Maven right now. When you buy Maven Hair Maeve installers will put it in free that's right when you buy Maven Hair Their Status Dallas. We'll put it in and do your hair for free text therapy two three four six four nine so book your appointment with a Maven hair expert maven is backed and worn by Serena Lena Williams and they're the top arm line hair company may even offers the highest quality virgin hair with bundles starting at fifty nine dollars fast free shipping plus is top notch certified status that expertly install your maven hair just text therapy that three four six four nine pick. Your style is order your hair. Andromeda installers style will install it for free text therapies at three four six four nine and book your appointment today that were back. Ah I am stymied by stunned literally speechless. I'm here with you. I am ethically with you like your comedy and come back and and you come back. It's about kindness is about opening your heart about saying ron dragged you own your own podcast but now find the kindness to bring back in. I'm not like that. I hold grudges for the highly in my hand I am. I am like the Charleston Heston of grudges while go ahead. I says name right you did but I don't get the reference guns. Yeah you get my the Charleston choose. I am the Willy Wonka of Grudges Charlton. Shoes are sticky. You never had a Charleston to look. I don't know any of these. Charleston's our Cheese Charlton Charleston anyway the point is he said you get my gun. When you pry for my cold at hand that was garage judge from my cold dead hands clear bank choose to choose news will not replace US using space right now with lies that I've not connecting to the lover trying to say he's not the guy that was the yes I was trying to pretend like I was on the same same page well first of all you guys are standing up and I'm not so perfect. Angel Hints not a racist. I feel like everyone here is just like who's this guy no yeah no. I know eight sorry. What were we're GONNA say. I'll remember now. You chose choose. What about how can believe Blair never had a true especially because of the purity of your friendship. I feel like I imagine there would be you like so many candies so mel's yeah so we both like. Sour gummy but ron has found this. Um MM smart squeezed. March seats brand. That's like a healthy version book. Wait sweeping dummies like they're like locale gummy what he's having ninety calories per back. I don't know why shouldn't be promoting them. Sometimes they send Me Free Gum. He's but they need to start cutting. Check ninety calories in the bag. They don't do like sugar. Alcohols like those other ones they view the bubble guts and they got they got Swedish fish. They got peach reins. They got gumy's in regular an sour arrive fix our patrons but you've found them 'cause Christina there from Canada Canadian Tracy. They know how to cut the sugar in Canada. Karan's Jeff is from Canada and so she knows them but now they're everywhere. I've never seen them along among the hotel store noser hopefuls. I never got a home phone. Wait wait. I got a question going back you guys so when you first interviewed him for. Split sider now vulture or whatever yeah how do you actually become friends after that. I've been plenty of people that I'm not interested interested in talking to afterwards no not comedy and I would see him around like after we had met so that any kind of just kept going Kinda cafe gathering also you were friends in Portland. I was friends with Greek me and Marsha Belsky yeah. She was like your remain in New York so we'll hang out the gun your booth up using anyone lightly the Mike mentionable. I'm in try. I've been gone forever so I'm not really like dating but here narrow street. Let's go back to act out in the streets out new streets people uh-huh each other romantic advice. I tried to keep her from from herself. Gave seem to think that I have like terrible instincts with men like they yes. They're the gentleman named Nacho already a bad start. Ask His fingernails green care sure I don't care. I had a crush on his men. He didn't have a crush green mental health awareness which which is the thing that he's just starting right right. Can we all just back up for one because what happened wire nails greed and then he goes. I would like to make you aware of mental health issue. It's just in general manager. After how about schizophrenia no no one's talking to make fun of the guys. I'm interested the guy that she met on the street which is chased her down. She was jogging. He was like Oh he was a nice guy. He was shy and I was like he as you. You Down Shirtless no-one shirtless version chasing you confident well. I use nice the knives. He was holding your so bad dating history accurate. If if if someone was like Oh yeah Eric some real Schmo I'm asking I. It was my access yeah. I don't know I would say I've done a lot of work since both runs. Ron One deep side Rod work I I've I've done so much Alanon which is for bills date addicts so I feel like I've done a lot of recovery and you know making different choices is these days but I will say that the boyfriends I've had you know whatever they may have been wild but I do think they were good people ron when y'all are out across this this fire nation. Do you feel an own as as the headliner as the Papa who's brought everyone together. Are you like I got to keep it out in these kids at St You're all over the place. Do you ever feel like let me watch out for them a little bit not much because they're usually pretty chill. I don't really have to worry about. They're pretty smart but you know just anything considered same ways dating or whatever whereas my job to make if you're out in my steadman's it's my job. Make sure you get home safe there. Would you date someone Ron disapprove. Yes he the series right now Mike. What is your advice to Blair order for dating dating yeah. What would you tell her. What would you I mean? I guess I would just say finding someone who's Martin Funny. They can keep keep pope with you mentally in someone who's real kind and chill out. That's what I was saying. Totally what I like about that. List of qualities does not chime with your heart when it comes to a a physical manifestation occurs. You haven't met any of these guys so we don't have to say they're instagram's. Yeah and we go to the tag pictures and you can see what they're really live. I'm never going to say I never do either. That's a good call. Though you WanNa know the truth Ruth Internet Stalker like any my friends are incredible like if I see someone on tinder I would have no way of finding them on the Internet if they can find them immediately insane. I don't like really shock. I'm like I'll give someone that chance which I guess is what people think is. There is my problem the worse without naming names who the worst boyfriend in your past date even I mean it may not be a full of love I wanNA. I don't know I want ice. Specifically giving your heart to that is a Scott back on. This is horrible question. I can't tell me country. Actually I love my access. This is a recent development but I do love them. Go The garland honestly somehow now grace of God. Hello Girl Yeah I just kind of like. I don't really think about them. The really like I'm like we were all at where we were at you and Mike. I'm not a perfect angel so yeah. I can be a lot of you say that you don't think about them but you also read read. A book called trust I trying to learn his book is one of the many many embarrassing titles that I like the first week of the which is also a testament to how much I don't give a fuck but I was openly reading in front of them as if I wasn't GonNa get made fun of Synopsis. What is trust self-help book. I mean yeah. I like every every self help books. There is from the writers of fear. It is about learning to trust yourself. God home. What go let God kind of thing I mean. I guess I don't know like as far as fell by never call itself l. Even though it is like to me either disliked spiritual touch-ups jeter obstructed the root yeah we'll spirituality has ever done weird Alanon no. I like that though I don't even know if you're supposed to say that you do Alanon on publicly but ideal the people. I guess you mean of these Ema exit yeah the. I don't know whatever it's all like I. It's all good whatever anyone wants to do that. That is a beautiful sentiment. It's how I feel like your life. It's all good whatever anyone wants to do. What your deathbed I feel in your Blair the way you've talked to be silly silly and with us is someone who wants to steal my car and drive it into a Walmart. Yes look. I don't want them to drive it into a Walmart if they steal if find yeah yeah. I'm in a big place of surrender right now. I love the couple's therapy moment and do you feel fulfilled right now. Yeah Wait No. I WanNa know one last thing what the so I'm feeling like the mentor waves. I'm feeling the the advice waves flowing one way but Blair's ever flow the other way. Are you ever like Ron. Get this gate. There's video game for your kid. from the thing that I feel most comfortable giving advice on his food. I incredible food opinions that I feel very passionate about. It's like the main thing I like to talk about so I do recommend a lot of things. I do. Try to steer people away from things that they shouldn't. I don't know if I give Ron any other advice. I mean most things I learned from Blair. Just by watching her usually is just kind of fun in not the two much younger than me at all. I said how I said well. You are a little younger than you have. Excuse me where you're what nineteen ron years but you also have a different viewpoint in a different audience. Even though I do get a lot of women in my audience you Kinda help bring in will the younger you just Kinda show me different viewpoints that help help me out and I just think it's fun and makes his show better me think about comedy differently and I like like I said before. I think it's the athlete in you where I like watching. You not not buccal not fold. You're always so strong in your convictions that you are funny in that you're GonNa win. It over like always motivates me. I think he he works so hard that it always reminds me to keep working. Oh that's so nice. Oh my God now my heart is Phil. Now your heart his own some might say overflowing me. Cry Getting blood everywhere much like in India. I love you yeah Blair and run. We love you. Thank you so much. It's fun friendship again. I'm Erin Minke Creator and host of on obscured season one was a deep dive into the Salem witch trials in this season of on obscured. We'll trace the path of the spiritualist spiritualist who followed the Voice of Andrew Jackson Davis over the course of the nineteenth century spiritualism became a kaleidoscope of novel beliefs courageous people and world world shaking events the second season of obscured premiers October second. Listen to on obscure on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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THE AQUARIUM - TAGALOG HORROR TRUE STORIES | MGA KALULUWANG LIGAW

Stories Philippines Podcast

11:28 min | 8 months ago

THE AQUARIUM - TAGALOG HORROR TRUE STORIES | MGA KALULUWANG LIGAW

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Ep. 746 - The Real Justice System

The Michael Knowles Show

49:46 min | 1 d ago

Ep. 746 - The Real Justice System

"Maxine waters is big mouth may have gotten derek chauvin off the hook in the trial regarding the death of george floyd. My phone gives me alerts on things that just happened. I mean you can't avoid it and it is so pervasive that it is. I just don't know how this jury it can really be said to be that. They are free from the taint of this and now that we have. Us representatives threatening acts of violence in relation to the specific keys is mind violent. I'll give you the waters have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned. But what's the state's position as well. It should as well it should. We played what. Maxine waters said. Yesterday was very clear with a call to riot. And that so this new information that could affect the trial of derek. chauvin for the death of george floyd. The new information isn't about anything that happened on the day and the drugs in the neck and the police officers. No it's going to be a political consideration because you have elected democrats in this country. Who are calling for riots trying to interfere in our justice system. Maxine waters is a greater threat to justice and peace in this country then the worst possible imaginable cop ever. I'm michael knows the michael knowles show. Welcome back to show my favorite comment yesterday from frosted. Ice farrow who says leftists and squish is used. The term dog whistle yet. They are the only ones who can hear it. What does that tell you. I have made this point on a number of occasions. I'm glad that you've picked up on this. To the left is incessantly talking about missile. And yet they are the only ones to hear them. What does that mean. That of course means that they are the dogs and they are because we don't hear them. It's not as though conservatives are feigning ignorance. no. I have no idea what you're talking about. We really have no idea what they're talking about. We don't hear these things because the left is constantly changing the definitions of words to have all of these new connotations. That we simply are not aware of. This is part of their process of constantly transforming the language to try to transform reality which is by the way the subject of my upcoming book speechless controlling words controlling minds which is available. Now by the way for preorder. If you have preordered already. I'm sure you can sleep easy at night. One other great way to sleepeasy my pillow by now. How many times have you heard me talk about my pillow a million times. I've told you it's the greatest pillow in the world and how we all like my pillow's politics but even if it was a communist country i would still support my pillow now. They have a new product my slippers and they're just as good. That's the thing it's the politics. I kind of put that aside because if the product is these slippers took over two years to develop. 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This is george floyd trial week when the whole nation for some reason is focused on this one criminal trial where a cop used force on a guy with a long rap sheet who is high on drugs and resisting arrest. And there's a question. Did he used too much forrest and he not use too much force did he. Murder this guy. Did he commit manslaughter. All in the weeds of what is essentially a local a local crime story that the left has turned into a national reckoning on race and they've contrived all sorts of aspects of it they have now explicitly threatened to riot and burned down the country as they did last year. If they don't get the outcome that they want a mistrial hard to see how the jury does not convict here. It's hard to see. Not because of the evidence. I think the prosecution's done a pretty weak job and i think the defense has done a pretty good job and i think so. Many facts of this case were completely hidden or distorted in the political. Melee that took place in twenty twenty however think about what's going to happen if this jury doesn't convict their their lives are going to be ruined. They're going to be targeted by a murderous mob that has the explicit support of elected officials. Many other people in the media their families are going to be targeted. You're already seeing the sort of thing happen. There was a paramedic who donated a little bit of money to the defense of of kyle. What's his name. Kyle rittenhouse in kenosha. Wisconsin. people are showing up to this guy's house now. This is just what happens when you contradict the left's narrative on this so just for self preservation is expect that the jury here is going to convict. The judge actually makes this point himself. This goes back to what i've been saying for the beginning. I wish elected officials would stop talking about this case especially in a manner that is disrespectful to the rule of law and to the judicial branch and our function. I think if they want to give their opinions they should do so in a respectful and in a manner that is consistent with the constitution to respect a co equal branch of government failure to do so. I think as hornet. But i don't think it has prejudiced us with additional material that would prejudice jury. They have been told not to watch the news. i trust. They are following those instructions and that there is not in any way prejudice to the beyond the articles that we're talking specifically about the facts of this case a congresswoman opinion really doesn't matter a whole lot anyway so most for mr l. denied okay so he denies the motion here for mistrial but he says look on appeal if let's say chauvinist convicted. If it's all thrown out on appeal there really might be strong case to be made here but but in this trial i trust that the jury is not watching the news. So look if the jury is not watching the news at all. They're really. They're not talking to anybody about this trial and they have. I don't know generally amnesia from twenty twenty. Then perhaps then perhaps chauvin gets off or he gets them lesser conviction. But if it's if they're in any way talking to anybody if they're listening to the news if they can even hear the screams and wales and threats that are floating through the air specially in minnesota right now then. It's very very difficult to see how he gets off or burned the country down. It's not as though this is some new news story. Everyone knows about it. But i think frankly by the way let the left wing. Establishment is probably hoping that chauvin does get off because if if chauvinist convicted. And that's the end of the story. That's the end of it for the media. They won't get their ratings. That's the end of it for the radicals. They won't have an excuse to riot in the street. And extort more concessions out of the establishment. Now in the flat catchers to use the phrase of tom wolf the writer at that will be the end of that for the liberal establishment itself would just constantly trying to take more power. So what are they gonna do. I don't know they're probably going to encourage the riots. Maxine waters has gone viral because of that clip that that was going around yesterday where she said. We need to get more aggressive. We need to get more confrontational more confrontational them burning down multiple cities. What's more confrontational than that. A nuclear weapon. But this is not new for maxine waters. Maxine waters has been doing this for decades maxine. Waters did this during the rodney king. Riots back in the early nineties as i stand here. Nine people are dead. My last count last this morning before i tried to get some sleep was over fifty something. Fires raging all over los angeles. The fire started in my district and one of the largest was right around the corner from my house There are scores of injuries and anger and frustration and people who plan on staying on the streets and expressing outrage and anger in any way they deem necessary there are those who would like for me and others on all of us to tell people to go inside to be peaceful that they have to accept the verdict. I accept the responsibility of asking people not to endanger their lives. I am not asking people not to be angry. I am angry. And i have a right to that anger and the people out there have a right to that anger. Maxine waters does not have a right to any anger she does. she does. Not maxine waters does not have what maxine waters is doing is provoking riots. And what she says. Here's look out. I accept the responsibility of telling people not to go out and endanger their own lives and that can be read in one of two ways either. The writers were saying. Don't go out there and commit these crimes and put yourself in a dangerous situation or that could be just the law abiding citizens in the shop owner saying. Hey look i'm telling you don't go out. Don't fight back. don't endanger your own life either way not a great concession for this. I'm going to accept that. But i'm not going to tell people not to be angry. I'm not going to tell people not to express that anger you should. If you cared about your country you you would do that. If you cared about justice you would do that now. She's even lost the facade trying to be reasonable now she just says you get up in their face and you mob them. And you'll get conference more confrontational. After burning down the country for a year. So she she no longer. has that filter. This happens to most people as they get a little bit older. All of that to say i see the leftist strategy the leftist strategy. Is you encourage the riott. You encourage the chaos and then as a result you get the crackdown and they like both of those things. They like the kiosk they can extort concessions on the left and then they like the crackdown because that gives them more power. I just never want to hear about a right wing insurrection again. I never want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about january. Sixth and capitol hill and the greatest worst insurrection in sister. I don't want to hear about it as long as maxine waters faces zero consequences. Which is exactly what's going to happen. Then i just don't want to hear about it. I don't there's there these things are not comparable what be al. Anon antifa did to the country and twenty twenty. What they're probably going to do in a week or two just not comparable to the guy with the crazy horns jumping on the on the table in the capitol building. Okay by the way. By the way what were we told about the capital. What was the worst thing that happened at. The capitol riot. What was basically the entire premise of the second for sickle impeachment of donald trump. The death of our officers picnic right. That was the one thing that said. Yeah okay They messed up nancy. Pelosi's office that's bad but we're not going to beat you guy over that and yeah. The guy in the horns jumped on the table. But we're not gonna impeach the president over that but the thing we can get them on. Even though trump said be peaceful the thing we can get him on. Is that officer. Brian sick. Nick capitol hill. Police officer was killed during those riots and by right wing insurrectionists and it turns out. That story was just completely false. Don't take my word for it. You don't even need to take the daily wires word for it. The washington post is now finally admitting that we all suspected time it was so weird that no one came out with a cause of death for officers sickness officers picnic. 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The washington post admitting now months after four or more than three months after the capital riot february march april real three months after the capital riot after they've impeach the president a second time failed to convict after they've painted all of the right as insurrectionist threats to the country. Need to clamp down on. Your speech need to clamp down on your ability to communicate now. They acknowledge the death of capital police officer. Brian sick nick didn't have anything to do with rioters. Throwing fire hydrants. Adam didn't have anything to do with any of that. His family had suggested to those paying. Close attention we. We knew this was probably gonna come out because the family had suggested at the time that he had health problems. Don't rush to judgment. They didn't want the death to be politicized. now it turns out yeah to two strokes died of natural causes. The following day varies ad. Burs that the guy died. Apparently he was he was not a radical leftist. Let's put it that way And then his death was totally exploited by the radical left. What was the other consequence. That it wasn't just impeaching the president the other consequences. We got a shutdown parlor. That's right remember when all those squish isn't leftists told conservatives to build their own twitter well then conservatives built their own twitter and then and then the leftists said no. We're not going to allow that. And they kicked it off the app store and they kicked it off the internet and the swishes just rolled over like they always do remember that. Just just to catch you up on what happened well some conservatives and some people with spines in the senate came at like people like mike lee came out and wrote to parlor and said hey. He can't do this. I representative ken. Buck in the house wrote to parlor and parlor or rather wrote to the apple app store. Apple finally wrote back to them and said the app review team has informed parlor as of april fourteenth. Two thousand twenty one that its proposed updated app will be approved for reinstatement in the app. Store okay great parlors back after they broke parlor after they cracked that social platform after they clamped down on them and said you're the cause of the riot that killed the police officer. Now they're going to let them back in. Is this a good thing or a bad thing. Is this a win is what we want to know. Well we need more information before we can celebrate because you see the fine print. They're they're saying there's a new updated app and so that's going to be proposed for reinstatement in the app store. So what changes did parlor have to make did parlor acquiesce or is this really apple conceding to political pressure. All of that is sort of beside the point. I mean it's i guess it's good if parlor back in the app store that's fine but it's sort of beside the point because the liberal establishment already got would wanted with when it really counted january. Sixth when it really counted what happened. The mainstream media at lied to you completely fabricated events that day. That did not happen. Big technology clamped down. They didn't just the duly elected sitting president of the united states. they also censored millions of conservatives. Who could now no longer use parlor as if they were using it or sign up to use parlor. That was done. It was over. They flexed they showed. We run the show here. We are the law. We are the system of justice so now months later it's kind of all over it's kind of a moot point. Yeah maybe they'll let us back in a little bit on their terms. But what the real system. Is this really a win for for conservatives in the justice system in the united states. I don't think so. I think it's probably the left flexing their muscles and now at if their deficits giving us a little some crumbs from the table how how you left-wingers it's good to have wings on the cultural level or at the business corporate level we need wins at the government level too. So there's here's half a good news story. You want to have good news stories from arizona governor. Doug ducey who is now prohibiting the vaccine passports at the government level ducey is banning this new proposal and he's preventing state and local governments from requiring residents to provide the covid vaccine status to receive servicer to enter an area. This is at the government level. But that doesn't go far enough. It needs to go further. We've talked about this from the beginning. We've said they are going to be two iruma three different positions here. One is going to be no vaccine passports at the government level. One is going to be no vaccine passports at the government or private business level and then obviously the third the third position is we need vaccine passports wherever you know. All over the place and the libertarian position kind of is up in the. It's not really clear whether the which one the libertarians will go for. It's a little incoherent. But you could see a world. In which the libertarian position is and the squish position is no no vaccine passports at the government level. Private businesses can do whatever they want if they want to include one. That's fine if they don't want include one that's also fun to conservative position is no. It's just upends our political order and upends our traditions our way of life no vaccine passports anywhere and obviously the leftist position. They love the passports. Rhonda scientists then came out and he was he did it a little bit slowly but then he came out and he said okay florida. We're not gonna have vaccine passports even private businesses. We're not going to do it. We need more people to step up. Twenty-seven republican governors here. I'm glad to see what four or five have come out and said no vaccine passports at the at the state level. that's fine. we need to go further. We need to go further. Don't let them give you a half-measure. Private businesses should not be permitted to require these either florida's doing a lot florida's really leading the country in many ways on this sort of stuff not just on kovin but on the riots to riots or the they're the real vaccine riots or the real cure cova. That's what we learned during the blm rights of twenty twenty. We all have to stay locked in if we even so much go outside. We're going to catch this virus with one hundred percent chance of killing us except if you are burning down minneapolis. Then that is actually going. There's a shield that's going to go around you and nobody can get covid so it's cool especially if you want like a booster you have to bust into a nike store and steal some sneakers. That that's kind of like your. That's like the second shot you get the sneakers. There's no way you can get covid right so we're all preparing for more riots. Minneapolis totally boarded up. Other places in the country are preparing. Has florida preparing. They're preparing by beefing up. Laws and figuring out ways to throw rioters in prison for longer florida's senate has approved a bill. That was championed by governor. Santa's it's an anti riot law. It permits citizens to sue a local government if that government does not stop a riot it defines a riot is a violent public disturbance involving three or more people acting with common intend resulting in injury to others damage to property or the imminent danger of injury or damage. This law also would grant civil legal immunity to people who would drive through protesters and rioters who were blocking road. That's a good provision. I like that. That's good for law and order. It's good for a stable society. It's good for everybody's rights. This law would prevent people who were arrested for rioting or offenses committed during a riot from beginning bailed out of jail until their first court. Appearance loves that. Love that a lot. Throw them in jail away that key at least until their court appearance and this would impose a six month mandatory sentence for battery on a police officer during a riot. Love that love that but the left should love that too right because they pretend that they're all for law and order now after the great horrible insurrection of january. Sixth right so love this law. Think it's absolutely phenomenal. This is not a on people's freedom that's what the left is going to say. You're taking away our freedom of expression and our freedom of speech. This is an expansion of freedom of speech because rioting is not speech. that's not protected by the first amendment. You have the right to speech you have the right to peaceably assemble. You don't have the right to burn buildings done. You don't have the right to threaten people. You don't have a right to try to shut down the interstate and if you do that you need to be punished so that we get less of that so we disincentivize that and so that we punish people who do very bad things. You're going to hear people say this is outrageous. This is not in keeping with the american tradition. The anglo american tradition so where you're not even allowed to use that phrase anymore riot acts have a long history in our political tradition. You ever hear the phrase man. Read them the riot act. Oh yeah that you know what they're gonna do to him. They're gonna read them the riot act you ever hear that expression that expression refers to the riot act in english law back in seventeen fourteen when parliament passed the riot. Act for much the same reason that we need to pass the riot act today down in florida and hopefully elsewhere around the country my one real disappointment with the trump administration. I felt this was just bad instincts. Or he was being led by people who did not know what they were doing was when he really went all in on the jailbreak bill and he said you know as conservatives we need to let a bunch of criminals out of jail i thought president trump. This is going against your political instincts. This is not the sort of stuff you've talked about in your career. This ain't it chief you you've been so good on so much other stuff but this ain't it. I am glad to see. The governor. disentis says bring us back little bit in the direction of law and order. I hope that other governors other legislators around the country do that as well because we are not going to get any sort of at real pushback from the squashes on capitol hill. you know. we're waiting on. Maxine waters who is calling for riots. Who who is doing so almost explicitly very very implicitly but i may be arguably explicitly. She's not gonna face consequences. Maybe now some people in the house of representatives are saying. She's we're gonna. We're gonna do something we're going to do something. Then we'll be covering maxine today on raging waters. What a great title so go check out his show today. We've also got backstage coming up tonight seven. Pm eastern four pm pacific and it's almost time for another episode of candice. This special guest is dana. White president of the ultimate fighting championship. Which is the largest mixed martial arts organization in the world. The show streams on fridays at nine pm eastern eight pm. Central only on daily wire dot com. You can get twenty five percent off new membership with code candice. Go check that out today. We'll be right back with a lot more so nancy pelosi was asked by the press. Are you going to hold. Maxine waters to account do you. You know you've just been prattling on for three months about the right wing. Insurrectionists now maxine waters is calling for an insurrection risk going for riots in the streets to subvert explicit of subverting our justice system. So do you think she should apologize. She has now not only do. I not think that we're gonna hold. Maxine waters standing consequence. But i don't think she should even apologize. So kevin mccarthy who at times has defended the conservative side of the party and other times it's gone squish. He tweeted out quote. Maxine waters inciting violence in minneapolis. Just as she has incited in the past. If speaker pelosi doesn't act against this dangerous rhetoric. i will bring action this week. So this is doesn't really have any meat to it. Because the best he can do is suggest that maxine waters be censured and then i guess he had tried to get impeached. It's just none of. That's going to happen. But i guess it at least puts democrats in a bad position if they have to vote on whether or not to censor her because they're not gonna want to vote to censure her but then we'll be able to say that they will defend the riots. So you know. It's i want to be a little nice mccarthy here. Because i was tough on him yesterday this actually has some cleverness to it. It will at least allow republicans to hammer democrats and force democrats to own the riots. That look like they're about to ensue. However what this shows you is just. There's not not a lot that you can do if you in congress generally but also if you're the party that's not in power you gotta win yet to win elections losing with dignity it if that is actually what republicans are doing and i don't think that's what they're doing. They're losing without any dignity but losing with even with dignity and buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee. If you don't have the political power than you can't wheel it and if you do have the political power and you don't feel that it's just as good as losing and now the democrats have the political power and they know how to wheeled it and i just wish republicans could republicans have convinced themselves that somehow wrong to wield political power they. They've convinced themselves that the only legitimate thing to do once they enter office is nothing because of some degraded. Pseudo libertarian bumper sticker. And they've convinced themselves that if they create any laws that that's somehow an illegitimate imposition of our views and it it somehow compromises freedom or something. It's just completely ridiculous has no relationship to our actual american conservative political tradition. I talk about how the leftist tricked us into believing all this nonsense in my upcoming speechless. Controlling words controlling which is available now for preorder. And by the way you can get an autograph first edition copy if you premier collectibles. Just just throwing that out there. So kevin mccarthy will try to do this sort of thing won't act probably very little will come of it. What about joe biden. What about the white house does joe biden support. The statements by maxine waters. Jen psaki was asked this question because obviously the press never talked to joe biden so the press secretary was asked this. She just doesn't give a straight answer. You follow else's preparing for whatever that verdict is back team. Water set over the weekend the thing we've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active guts to get more confrontational. We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business. Does the president agree with what she said about getting more confrontational. Well i can speak to the president's you Been very clear that he recognizes the issue of pleased. Violence against people of color communities of color is one of great english and it's exhausting and quite emotional at times as you know he met with the floyd family last year and has been closely following the trials. We've been talking about and is committed to undoing this long standing systemic problem his views also that exercising first amendment rights and protesting injustice is the most american thing that anyone can do but as he also always says protests must be peaceful. That's what he continues to call for and when he continues to believe is the right way to approach responding cool can just give a straight answer place lady. I know i know you can. I know the job is not to give a straight answer. So i'm not i'm not. I'm not really personally angry. Jen psaki here. But i guess this is an extreme example so so joe biden doesn't want to contradict a member of party and he does in a way to for his political advantage. Wants to keep the threat of riots out there because it it it will just like any threat of violence right. It puts your your opponent in the mob. It's nice story. you got here. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it. That's what maxine waters is doing. That's with democratic establishment is doing. It's not just crazy maxine. Comal harris bank the riders out of prison last year out of jail rather in minneapolis. The first time they did this by joe biden. Staffers posted the fundraiser. For these riders. A lot of left-wingers are doing this sort of thing. Then comal harris came out and said he got to stay in the streets. You did the same thing. Max waters is doing but joe biden doesn't want to be seen as defending the riots. So he says well you know we believe you gotta be peaceful but you know we also believe in well and but and well and but and if it's candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas. What is the endgame here. I don't think the end game is simply that the left wants assaulted. Devolve into some anarchistic mayhem in the country. They want to upend the culture for a purpose and that is to impose their own vision their own standards and so that the chaos really helps them because then the clampdown can be even tougher. And you're you're seeing ultimately what this clampdown is going to be as not from the ordinary part of the american political tradition where you know the democrats win elections than they follow the normal process. Know what it's gonna be is. Perpetually outsourcing their our political rights to the administrative bureaucracy which is always in their hands even even when we win elections. The bureaucracy is always in their hands. And they're gonna take political questions and they're going to try to redefine them as non political questions and they're gonna take questions of our fundamental constitutional rights and they're going to redefine them as scientific clinical administrative questions that egg heads like. Dr fauci should decide rather than we. The people of the united states thou-. She's already doing this. He was asked a question about gun policy. Why is dr fauci being asked about policy. I have no idea. Actually i do have an idea because we now have a state. Church in this country called secular progressivism and dr fauci is the high pontiff of secular progressivism. So all questions go to him. He speaks infallibly on absolutely all matters. And because the left redefines all of our language as a strategy to redefine reality they're trying to redefine the question of our second amendment rights as a matter of public health. Before i let you go. I wanna ask about another epidemic in the us and that is gun violence. Eight people were shot and killed in a mass shooting in indianapolis on thursday night. The us has reported forty seven mass shootings and just over a month. You worked in public health. Broadly for a long time is gun violence in the. Us public health emergency myself as as a public health person. I think you can't run away from that. I mean when you see people getting killed. I mean in this last month is just been horrifying. What's happened how can you say that's not a public health issue. I can say it's not a public health issue. How how can how can you say it is a public health issue. First of all been told that people who are killed by bullets are actually being killed by covert remember. People who get shot in the head in some cases in this country have been counted cova deaths. We've been told that all all deaths are part of the public health issue so all all people die right all people die and therefore everything in this world is a public health question. Look if i this show right now. This is a public health matter. Because if i say something that really irradiates a leftist which i've been told i occasionally do within. Their blood pressure might rise up a little bit. They me. they'll have a health problem from that. Maybe you know. I don't think that i'm making a totally hyperbolic ridiculous straw man argument. The left makes this point all the time. They make the point on racism. They say that racism is a public health issue because when people suffer microaggressions that raises their blood pressure. And that that's difficult for them and it's a matter of life and death sometimes and therefore the egg heads need to take over all of our national policy. If you're if you're looking at mass shootings in the country you say yeah. A lot of criminals are going on shooting people. If you're going to interview an expert on some some official of the government. Shouldn't you be interviewing a member of the department of justice. A prosecutor a cop the attorney general. Wiry you interviewing dr fauci because public health is this all department of the government. It's going to become the whole government. Now that makes all of our national policy. No official in the government has had more power than dr fauci over the past two years including donald trump including joe biden. Dr chee almost singlehandedly has up ended. Our entire way of life suspended are are ordinary rituals suspended. Christmas suspended thanksgiving got our election system up ended to include now massive widespread mail in boats to expand election day. Well beyond election day as fao. She that was public health. He's everything falls in to the cult of public health and we are told by the way we're not. We're not allowed to question this because that makes unscientific look. That's just the way. Science is progressing. there's a science to our bodies and there's a science to history. There's a science to politics and that's just progress man and you're on the wrong side of history and you gotta just shut up and give up your country to these deranged egg heads right or not. There was a video this is going to seem unconnected but it's not. There is a video that was going around the internet over the past few days of cool old plane making an emergency landing in the water along a beach in florida so so the plane is making its landing and and so it's really actually pretty impressive. Landing doesn't doesn't take anybody out and you see the the plane just floating now a little bit off short. Some guys are filming this from the beach and already you think wow. This is very impressive. Video but the most impressive part comes when a bunch of dudes start running into the water diving into the water and swimming out to the plane. Why are they doing that because they want to. Make sure that nobody in the plane needs help. The nobody's drowning. That nobody has maybe been knocked unconscious. They're running toward the danger using their will and their intellect to do the right thing taking the situation in some degree into their own hands and behaving immoral manner as they do it. We can do that. I know that we we live in a country. Now that is just filled with the neurotic and selfish fear of death. Where if forget about a plane landing. And you're gonna you're gonna go run toward the danger. Now if your grandma coughs you run in the other direction. You said good death. Take her take her. I've got. I've got to get out of here. I'm not going to see my relatives. My loved ones for years at a time. Now because i'm so afraid of getting the sniffles. We are a cowardly selfish country in many ways were quickly becoming mad because of radicals were trying to upend our or our system of society. But we don't have to be. We can be the other kind of society. It just doesn't care about our our own self satisfaction all the time. That doesn't only care about. Our self preservation actually runs toward the danger to do the right thing we can take back control. I think the theme the theme of this white house is losing control. Kamala harris was just sent out to meet the the prime minister of japan. You'll shaheed suge now. normally this. This is an important relationship. Normally the president would go out to meet the prime minister of japan but joe biden was probably taking his nap. The probably the prime minister's arrival didn't didn't work out very well for him and so they sent kamala harris instead and it just looked. It looked awkward. It was it was disrespectful. It's not the right sort of thing. Joe biden the other day accidentally had to give an answer to a reporter who him while he was walking and he said behind the mask he was asked about the border crisis and he said all right rainy said you couldn't hear him that wealthy muslims which is probably to his political advantage but he called it a crisis first time. That biden has has called it a crisis the white has assiduously avoiding these sorts of terms. Jen psaki was just asked about this. Said hold on. Joe biden says it's a crisis so can the white house finally admits crisis. She says no president by over the weekend called what happened at the border crisis. Is that now. The official white house petition that there is indeed a crisis at the border. Well let me first say that we have made some progress some progress in moving children from Out of border patrol facilities into shelters nearly a thousand unaccompanied. Minors were transferred out of cb p. facilities and into the care of health and human services just this weekend. We are still have a lot of work to do but we that is a step forward in our view. The president does not feel that children coming to our border seeking refuge from violence economic hardships and other dia dire. Circumstances is crisis. He does feel that the crisis in central america the dire circumstances that many were fleeing from that he that that is a situation. We need to spend our time or effort on and we need to address it if we're going to prevent more of an influx of migrants from coming in years to come that's what he said he said the crisis is at the border and which sake is saying now is know what the president said. That's not the position of the white house. That's not the position of the white house. I it probably isn't. Because i don't think joe biden really runs that white house. We are not nearly the victims the passive victims of circumstance. We are not merely the the sort of a cog in the machine that have no will have no intellect of our own. We do have agency. We have intellect we have will. We can do things we can. We can take even terrible events and try to find some way to pull some good at of those events. The left doesn't want us to be able to do that. The left wants to keep us ginned up and wild all the time and and really focused on all all the most awful aspects of mark of our country and our lives told. We can never do anything. We can never succeed. And we can never overcome and there. There are only hope and keep us all agitated. The left often exploiting political crises end. Deaths we've got officers picnic right here from the washington post exploiting those things to push their own. Radical agenda disconnected from the question at hand. I am reminded that today is the anniversary of the columbine shooting twenty two years. A lot of people probably listening to this show. Don't even remember the columbine shooting. Well i sat down with one of the survivors of the columbine shooting. Craig scott we discussed a whole range of that was a really long interview. You can go check it out. On my youtube channel. He focused specifically though on the way the media politicize these sorts of events and push allies to fit their agenda. He also gives a really harrowing kind of what he saw himself. What he went through himself on that day. Just play a little clip of of our discussion. And then you can go check out the rest of it on my youtube channel. You can also check out the movie about His sister called. I am not ashamed without further. Ado take a lesson. There's definitely things that are taken tragedies Events that the media picks up on that they want to politicize it They want to use it for whatever caused that they think is important or needs or needs to happen and I've been involved in interviewed in in question Over news media. I've been over on a thousand interviews throughout my life and that that's an issue that comes up a lot. But i i know. The data is a surface level issue. I know that That when somebody has Real darkness real hatred in their heart. That if they wanna take to plan and kill people they can find a way to do it. There was actually propane tank that was set at columbine that was right underneath. I was on the second floor in the library directly Low meaning the cast. Here is a pro painting. If it had gone off it would have killed five hundred kids in we would have been you know banning propane tanks. You know people that that use these events for their own agenda. I think that a lot of them really believed that that this is the problem you know. They think that the the guns are the problem but it really wasn't the main problem If you really want to look at. I've i've known every school shooting. That's happened since columbine. I get questioned by the media. After everyone i researched. I learn about it. And if i were to tell you the biggest thing the biggest commonality between all these school shooters. It's pretty simple. It's that they focused on everything that was negative in this world. They focused on everything that was negative themselves and they didn't see the good in themselves are in other people and they have this perspective of seeing the world. They could have been in the most beautiful place they could have in. The sistine chapel. In italy with michelangelo's beautiful paintings found dirt in the corner focused on that. And when you have a view where everything is dark and jaded. Nec nothing good than in you. Creates a darkness created anger in and what i've learned also about all these shooters. School shootings is that they dwelled on a lot of very negative media almost on a daily basis. And if you can just imagine And you know of course. There's there's there's nothing negative in the media right. I ask that question to students in schools. I say How'd you guys would agree. There's a lot of negative like in the media like every hand goes up negative media sort of a redundant phrase. You don't say both right you know It doesn't mean you can't address the negative her talk about it but where is your focus because whatever we place attention on we get power to it is whatever the media chooses to focus on The media told this narrative after columbine really wasn't true and columbine was such a covered saying after the shooting. It was on the news for months and we had a a news camp of reporters near the school for months and the narrative. The basically came out was this two guys are pushed to the edge because of bullying and they get revenge their school. The problem is that's really not the true story. That's really not the main issue. And even the psychologists that have looked into it that have looked at everything that happened. Don't believe was a factor. They were bullied to a degree at school. I know of a couple of stories. Also no kids at my school. That were bullied a lot worse than i also know that they themselves were bullies at times and became the ultimate bullies. That day if i were to tell when i talked to kids i say the biggest reason they did what they did is that they focused on everything that was negative in this world. And that's that's the bigger reason it's not bowling The bigger reason is is what they focused on. And so. I have a program called value up and i named that after reading. The book from sue klebold. Her son was dylan. One of the shooters at columbine. Dillon wasn't gonna go through with the shooting. He thought eric his friend who was very psychopathic was crazy and he only decided to go along with it in the last couple of months of this planning. He planned it for a year and but he was more suicidal. And what his mom said. Was we valued dylan. But he didn't value himself and it struck me because i realized i had already spoken to over million teens across the country in person and i realized that's such a core issue when somebody doesn't believe in their own value. They're not going to treat other people with value but if they can realize the truth whether you wanna come out this from Perspective or other religion that christian your fearfully wonderfully made other perspective that we just have the capacity within us to do great good. We have so much potential especially young people and so if they can realize it doesn't matter what they look like. It doesn't matter what other people say about them. It doesn't matter where come from who their family is that they have great potential in them to Capacity to do great things in the positive influence in this world like my sister was she did small. Things stepped out of her way for a girl that sat Alone during lunch just lost a moment a car accident. I a friend told me how he has a slight disability. He was a made. Fun of ignored usually ignored a lot at school. His name is adam and the first time she met him she stood up. A couple of guys. Were making fun of him. She stood up for him and he told me that the time that she reached out to him he was having thoughts of taking his life and after she met him every day in hallway. She would just say hi to any said he literally started waking up in the morning looking forward to this day that this pretty girl would say hi to him in the hallway in a small act of kindness. Human connection what is gonna really change our culture. what's Going to get to the root of the problem with the root of the problem is in our hearts. The root of the problem is it really. Is it those. Were the problems are. It's also where the solutions are if you enjoyed this episode. don't forget to subscribe. And if you want to help spread the word. 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ITT Sound Off: Words Matter

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ITT Sound Off: Words Matter

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We're going to get to our first topic and we just want to say that we are thinking about those who lost their lives. Those were murdered in the atlanta area in georgia on tuesday night when a twenty one year old white man is domestic terrorists. You know they used that so easily muslim and black people. So yes okay. Yeah this kid opens fire at three different massage. Parlours killing eight people. Six of whom were asian women so far we know four of them were of korean descent. Were heartbroken It's enraging that investigators and the mainstream media didn't initially call this a hate crime. Yup i don't even know what the fuck a spokesman for the cherki county. Sheriff office said that the assailant had quote a really bad day. And this is what he did. Oh my god. Those white guys have really bad days. Yeah man of course as always is the case with white violence went on to say that it was still early to determine the motive. Yeah okay gas lighting one on one but we know that all of the businesses that were attacked where asian owns yup and public officials like atlanta's mayor kisha lance bottoms and being u. n. georgia's first vietnamese. Americans state representative have said. The attackers should be charged for a crime. Which georgia does have a new law on the books for right. This is what it looks like. You need to use that. This is what stephanie showed. The executive director of asian americans advancing justice in atlanta said on the pbs news hour on wednesday community to call in. We had sixteen different Individuals including legislators in organizations and individuals. And we're just reeling from an on. Our people are closing their businesses early. They did last night looking at doing that again. And it's really a creating shockwaves throughout the asian community here but also nationally and also international to ask you about some things we've learned from the authorities. They held a press conference earlier to update on the suspect's arrest. They say the suspect told police that he had a sexual addiction. The launch these attacks in a form of vengeance and they say that the suspect despite targeting asian women and the majority of his victims being asian women denied a racial motivation but they haven't ruled out bias as a motivation. What is your reaction to that. I think that's untrue. At this person has since smart lawyers and has a good legal chain but this is definitely. The systematic approach should racism as very gender-based when we see this violence particularly in asian american women. It's really about the fetisov relation vision. American women and the violence that occurred and targeted towards. These places is very complicated. I don't know how anybody could see it. Not yeah this is the part that just so angering about how much information about. The suspect started coming out right away with very little compassion thoughtful coverage of the people especially the women who were killed. Then you had the mainstream media literally parroting. Police accounts and i remind people. It's georgia there's a history of police accounts georgia. This is the part that i really hit home with me. Because obviously people consider us food little media ethnic because we're close to the community and you know korean media bright korean media that knows the community ethic media reported eyewitness accounts and filled in details about the women in their lives and you know what maria we also started to see translations of local and international korean news outlets and they were reporting about a witness. Who heard the attacker say that he was going to quote. Kill all the asians and then let's forget the racist rhetoric from trump and other republicans about corona virus. That helped fuel anti asian sentiment There have been almost three thousand eight hundred hate crimes toward asian americans in just a year. And that's an increase of almost one hundred and fifty percent from the previous year. This is not new. There's a history of anti asian sentiment going back hundreds of years in this country. There's so much erasure especially when it comes to immigrant. Women working class women. People engage in sex work and we reminded of how media practices like were lying on. Police reports can be complicit in that. So we're going to get into this way more deeply during tuesday's in the thick show next week but we did wanna send our love to those around the country feeling the grief you know tweeting out. Hashtag stop asian. Hate feeling the anger the fear as we process this idea. What are your thoughts again. It does not surprise us. Julio because we are consistently saying the mainstream media in this country is overwhelmingly run and the buck stops with white sis men presenting heterosexual of privilege right and so they see this twenty one year old and they see themselves and nobody everybody. He couldn't pizza porn addict station. I mean poor kid and he's just like well. the first people excluded to come to the mainland. I want to make that clear. So i'm not talking about excluding people within the united states from participating in having full citizenship. I'm saying people excluded to come to this country. Were asian women. Chinese women in the page act in the late eighteen seventies which then leads to the chinese exclusion act. And you don't why. The chinese women and asian women were not allowed to come to meet with their husbands and lovers and family and grandfathers who built the railroad. You remember what they said about them right. They were prostitutes. Asian chinese women have been sexualize. D- criminalized fetish ice by white men who created the laws that were passed that excluded them and who have remained in control of the mainstream media and overwhelmingly armenia throughout. So we have to see connection. We've been saying look at the way ex. President is talking about asian people. Of course something horrible is going to happen. It's going to increase and this kind of violence. Just it becomes so overwhelming I i don't know who you're this has been so sad. And i'm glad that we're going to go deeply into it next week. Yeah and before we move onto the next topic one of the other people who was shot. His name is al anon. This were these. He's from guatemala. He's now battling for his life and that's according to the washington post so just thinking about him. As well it's anti-asian anti brown people anti immigrant anti the other and just from all of us at in the thick and true solidarity with the api community around the country. We see you were with you and we're going to keep talking about this moving onto our second topic. We're going to continue our immigration coverage. Thank you seems like this is now going to become a steady beat for us maria. Because what other words. We texted each other this week. We were like what did you think what happened now. I don't know if i can contain the anger anymore. Of the way we keep hearing a biden administration officials in mainstream media. Talk about what's happening at the border. Let's just listen to one clip. And this was tuesday when president biden was interviewed by. Abc news george stephanopoulos. And this is what the president said was it a mistake not anticipate this surge. Well first of all there was a surge. The last two years and nineteen and twenty there was a surge surges. Well this one might be worse. Well could be. But here's the deal we're sending back people do for for first of all the idea that joe biden said come because i heard the other day that they're coming. I'm a nice guy. And i won't stone this. Yeah well. here's the deal. They're not the adults being sent back number one. That's number one number two. What do you do with an unaccompanied child comes to the border to repeat what trump did to repeat. What trump did you take them from their mothers to move them away. Hold them in cells et cetera. We're not doing that. There's a lot to be said about it. But he should be ashamed of himself for using the word surge but okay go ahead. I know i'm so sick of hearing the word surge. And i think you know because now as an editor as a journalist i've been reading a lot of the coverage like infinitely aware every time that word comes out. So thank you food on media you back me up on this you know. I made the decision. As editor of latino rebels to not re post any stories with that language we have an ap subscription and. I've already told the ap using that word. We're getting rid of it and we're gonna maybe say increase or just not use the word. That word is to humanizing. We aren't seeing this as a humanitarian crisis. Just wanna share another example media. That happened late last night. In the ap that i also edited and let me just read this talking about to congressional bill about immigration that passed both bills largely hit a wall of opposition from republicans. Insistent that any immigration legislation bolster security at the mexican border which waves of migrants have tried breaching in recent weeks cheese. Anyone who understands language. What are you breaching a wall. A barrier the majority of these individuals are surrendering themselves and then on thursday. The new york times reported that the biden administration. Yeah this is just like has been urging mexico to quote curb migrants mexico. You do that. You curb those migrants this week homeland security secretary. Alejandro my gusts of cuban descent. He testified before the house homeland security committee. He acknowledged that domestic violence extremism poses the most serious threat to this country. Okay that's good. I'm glad he did that As his testimony came after news of the attacks in atlanta when talking about the border. However my your gus recognize the situation was difficult but he also used the word search. You also said that. They ended the practice of expelling these children like the previous administration and that quote unaccompanied children can make their humanitarian claims in immigration proceedings Just a reminder these refugees money. It's just you and i do. I think we're just at a point of overwhelming disgust at almost like i'm like i don't even want to engage any of this. It's like do understand why you don't use that term and then it goes back to the whole notion who. You're yeah dude. We've been doing this for so long. It's like what do you do. Shake editors like shake them and just be like these are human beings how dare you refer to them. Simply as migrants had many. Have you spoken to do you understand. What a refugee is do. Understand that people don't just up and leave because they see a headline. They don't just openly. Because joe biden is a nice guy. That's some kind of bullshit. This is desperation. This is years of people trying during the trump administration and being completely locked in and put people. Let me try and say this calmly go. People are not desperate to get into the united states. they are desperate to save their lives. can you understand please. You know what. As i have. Said also julia. Apart from just the internal critique of our fellow journalists they will be judged by history for using that term or waves or life spread or breaching. I'm sorry the breaching thing that brought me over the top. It's not even accurate but you know what. Why is it that this is happening because again. Let's just look at it. Structurally white men of privilege. Many of whom are my best friends. Have run the mainstream media for ever and ever and ever and so the people who were making decisions about how to cover this particular moment in history had been raised consuming that media which was through that perspective in the first place. Yeah that's why the good news is. That gave winnow parlamento in the thick latino usa. We're here and that you can write to the ap because we're a members. And i can be like hi. We pay for your subscription and here are the problems with your language. And i know for a fact money. Those emails got two people cloud. Thank you hulu. I have to say you're part of my message is to you are always lake pro man. I love to good colleague. And i'm serious. I'm just so proud. My maria booth that we now are in a position of media. Power to hold them accountable. Yeah you should be ashamed of yourselves going do a little bit of self critique this weekend yeah alright. Deep breath out who. Our final topic is the senate. Judiciary committee held a hearing on the proposed. Equality act this past wednesday and if this act is passed this is incredible it would amend federal civil rights law to include protections for lgbtq plus people a stela keating year old trans team from washington state testified at the hearing becoming the first trans teenager to testify before the us senate. Yeah right now. I live in a state with where i have equal protection under the law and a high school sophomore. I'm starting to look at colleges. An august this less than half of the state. Our country provide equal protection for me under the law. Well how does. I want attend a college in date. That doesn't protect me right now. I could be Medicare or be victim for simply being transgender in many states have been right. How's it even american. Love you stella so at the end of february one of our. It all-stars emara. John's creator of transaction media and host of the trans slash. Podcast spoke with al evil. She on msnbc about why it is so important to protect trans people. In amara said as long as people can use their own discrimination as a basis to deny us equal access to housing to education to the full healthcare to the full range of things that everyone else has made the case that we need the quality So we're going to be following what happens with this legislation in the senate and i'm just really happy. This is one of the things that makes me proud. Okay cheesy of being an american. I'm glad that this discussion is being had right. Stella keating and immoral jones still in amara all right. Maria happy friday. I guess yeah. I know happy friday. I still want to laugh with you even with all the i got a little bit upset in this one. But i'm very upset in general but i'm gonna go look for some eagles. I don't know if it's gonna snow but if it doesn't. I may even grill because i'm in the country so i'll look forward to that and i'm rela apple podcasts. To rate and review us family really helps also. You can listen to the on pandora spotify wherever you get your podcast on. Check out on the web at in the thick dot org follow us on twitter and instagram at the big show like us on facebook until your family and friends to listen in the think is produced by nicole. Rothwell your saudi harsono hot and our new york. Women's foundation ignite fellow lisa. Sending has nice with aditorial support from eric day. Our audio engineering team is stephanie. Lebow julia caruso leah. Shaw at least two percent and gabriela bias are digital editors ms nina thanks to allow better for recording me the music you heard his courtesy of nacional kept enzi. K records have a great weekend. Enjoy the sun. If it's near you thank you so much dear listener for listening to us. We love you. Stay safe y'all bro. I think i saw the echo. Could you just congratulate. Sorry what excuse me. I didn't hear you. I was an eagle Yeah that's awesome situation. You and your rock band light leaving the ear just dropped a big single and unlike leafing the year who the fuck are they. And you're they're the hottest rock band ever making shit up. I saw an eagle. And you're like what the fuck who cares. I know seriously. I just found one thing where we are completely not in sync about the opinions expressed by the guests and contributors in this podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the views fujairah media or its employees.

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Encore: Dear Anon

Endless Thread

33:01 min | 1 year ago

Encore: Dear Anon

"Every Friday a new episode of endless thread appears in your podcast. Feed Lake fricken magic. But it ain't magic. It's hard work and and research and time and quite honestly money. It takes resources to make the show. And if you want to Byu our our home station to let us keep making this show for you support. It make a donation in any amount text. The word endless two four four three two one. Your donation nation will help us keep telling important stories like the infectious series on the anti vaccination movement and solving mysteries like glitter and Gatiss and the massive pile of plates dates. And it'll help us keep bringing you those lesser known stories about history and humanity that make us see the world differently so if you care about that back it it keep it going in any amount just text endless two four four three two one. Thank you okay. Here's the show produced by the island at WBZ. Warr Boston. Mary Happy Happy. Everything enlisted listeners. We are off this week enjoying some much needed family. Time away from Ben Greg. The Kid I don't believe it or not. We do have family other than you wonderful people that includes you Ameri. We'll be back with new episodes in twenty twenty but we are not abandoning you completely. We would never. We've decided to spin an old hit from last holiday season it's called dear non and it tells three truly incredible stories from the world's largest secret Santa Gift Exchange enjoying a few weeks back emery and I were debating a plan in Washington. DC at Ronald Reagan International Airport to meet a Reddit user who runs a very specialized business. We thought we knew what we were getting into. And then something happened. Okay we literally just walked out that part of the airport where it says if you go past this point is the point of no return. You have to exit and some guy who I've never resume before I've never seen before walked up to us and was like are you Ameri. Are You ben. And then He. He handed us a beautiful. Oh envelope yeah calligraphy hand on the back. There's a beautiful field back seal. It says constructed opted adventures probably stamped by a ring of like an emperor. Something I hope so. I sure I'll be open it. Yes let's open it right now. I I can't believe this. What we were expecting wasn't adventure? We just didn't expect it to be this specialized and to start at at the airport to your Ben Amer. You'RE GONNA die in two minutes just kidding you want to read it because you're doing. You're already too slow career but in Ameri if you want an interview you'll have to find me. I tomorrow morning arrive at Fontaine. And we're just talking about as pronounce Crepe Crepe ten o'clock and tell the hostess we're we're trying to unravel the thread expecting you sincerely the architect De ed emery and I were about to embark on this awesome adventure but the origin of the adventure and our ability to go on. It is a surprising ising story in and of itself every year. One of Red's communities conducts the largest anonymous gift exchange in the world. A hundred thousand people people participate in the space of just a few months. And as you're about to hear this secret Santa Program on Reddit has lasting effects. It can launch a business connect to celebrity ready to regular person in even spark a love story but at its core. This exchange is all about the kindness of strangers people who are anonymous. Today's episode dear John I'm Ben Brock Johnson and you're listening to endless thread. The show featuring stories found on read. It I'm coming to you from. WBU ARE BOSTON'S NPR station. I they have no fear. We are going to get back to our crazy adventure but first we should talk about how this whole thing works. It's pretty straightforward. You sign up for this secret. Santa Exchange on read it. You give some information about yourself and you get matched with someone else on Reddit who has also provided information. There's a spending minimum twenty bucks and you're off to the races every once in a while though somebody gets a match. That is pretty unique. A few years ago that person was reddit. User Eric's Alicia Elisa's from Texas. She came back from errands one morning to see the hated. Sorry we missed you sticker from Fedex on her door. You know that kind of note. That often appears like magic. Never really seems to guarantee your package will actually get delivered. But this package was special. Because the Fedex Ed X. Guy came back without prompting carrying a big box so I get it inside and take off the open with a box cutter. And then there's there's this huge cardboard peace over the top after I already get it open and then a giant layer of bubble wrap pop the bubble wrap or now. Eventually I did not I. After I'd take off that top cardboard piece I stand there and stare at it for a second. Because there's a picture right under the the top layer of see through green bubble rougher. Who's in the picture? This Bill Gates sat there and stared at it for a second. I didn't know what to do. uh-huh gazes my Alicia did not wait for her husband who was at work to open the other presence one of which had her read. It handle Eric's on it. It said Eric's Mittens on the box. And then the other one said clerics come on now. That's so cute. Dog's his name is Claire. The box had a ton of stuff inside lots of it admittedly made by Microsoft of course but it was obvious Bill Gates or his people had looked at a leashes reddit history. They did their research. I guess man unleashes a big video gamer so she got wireless xbox controllers a special official edition minecraft themed Xbox and those mittens they had a theme the classic Nintendo Video Game Zelda which Alicia used to play with her older brother. Oh Yes oh I have a tattoo. It's bad wait. What is try for us again? Is that the different things that you have his elder fan. It's been a little while it's been a little while since the best gift in the box might've been a cajun cookbook. There is also a note. It says Eric's since you're originally originally from Louisiana and miss your uncle Cajun cooking. I thought you might enjoy trying some of the recipes from cookbook. Merry Christmas Bill Gates. Is there a message that you would like to hear ear if you could tell him a frigging thank you and everything was perfect. I want to send him a thank you card but I don't think of my Senate to the address. That's the return address. I don't feel like it wouldn't get to him but I still have that on my to do list militias favorite video game of all time. Zelda the theme music of which you're hearing right now is all about going on a quest so time to get back to my request with Ameri a quest that another editor designed for us so that we could find him for an interview about his job which happens to be setting up quests. It started in historic Alexandria Virginia near the Potomac River which is kind of perfect because the editor we were chasing after has a favorite movie. Some of which also takes place around our nation's capital still the Declaration of Independence National Treasure starring Nicolas Cage think secret codes freemasons basins. US history and a whole lot of cage. One of those movies. That is bad enough. It's Kinda good. It's Kinda good because well Nicholas Cage and also so it is full of our questing like any great questing started at a very. Hey how's it going. We're here to unravel the thread of. She knows what it means. You owe conceited. Okay all right cool will what is happening. Yeah okay. What has been handed to us is a small treasure chest and with a purple master? Lock that is a letter lock so we have to somehow determine what what the envelope. Okay thank you very much. The message that has just been handed to us. Reads as you're well aware where you must find me. If you want to interview me okay. Step one have a crepe drink some coffee pop the lock. There's a second page. Oh we got a cipher. Oh I see okay. Locate the green book behind you to page one ninety two. Oh my God used this page to decode the message make X. is lying why is Word Word Z. is letter Oh my God. Let me say this we find the green book positioned conveniently on alleged behind emory chair. Turn to page one ninety two and get to work so let's start with one to seven so line one. Yep We're a two okay and the seven letter in that word to the eventually we spell out you are holding. We are holding a book so we enter book on the letter lock. and Are you ready for me to open this. Yeah I'm just so relieved we haven't screwed up on the I do. Do we got one called. Think it's safe tax. It is called the crypt tax. We also got a map and and of course another cleal my location is inside. This crypt ex. You'll get the password eventually but I you need a key find the statue at Market Square. You'll find your next instructions next. Stop Market Square. which according to the map up was just a few blocks away home to Alexandria City Hall a Lovely Fountain and Statue? This statue is a little bit raised off the ground and yeah and it's a it's a man in a very dancey pose. Yeah you might say Ou. He's got an envelope stuck to his booty. This clue sentenced to God's peace tavern where there was another envelope tucked in between two pieces pieces of stone outside in that envelope yet. Another clue which sent us to a gazebo behind a historic home. Oh I see the threat how to get the key one two very look at this key. This is a substantial. He is not a joke. This is the key to Alexandria torpedo map. We gotta go to the torpedo factory so we have to keep walking this way down the hill. All right there's some art on the walls or walking through. ooh That is that's most deaf. Silver torpedo the torpedo. gave us a clue that sentence this towards the docks dock h Mr sure. You're the dock master no now he. He's on vacation. But you go down there and the treasure is out there on the dock. All you know about the treasure wait no I I don't I don't I got to take care of my dog. They were prefers to remain anonymous. Thank you all right very mysterious. I have to take care of my dog. Oh likely story turns out. It was more likely story than we initially gave him. Credit for as we later confirmed that guy I was not in on the treasure hunt but he really should be he was great and he was also right out there on the dock. We found another long thread and the thread is attached to thing. There's something fluids floating in the water and there's a burlap sack inside of the the thing that's floating in the water. We pulled up. The package opened the box and pulls out what looks like a vape pen crossed with a flashlight. The instructions read US News on the map so he did and sure enough. There were words written on it that had been invisible in normal light Ford a trough and wait wait instructions. We're getting on the trolley dude trolleys. Raleigh isn't that the big boat that we charlie time tally time got. Our one of these people are going to give us mysterious instructions when you're scared three. Oh which one. That's Teeth A.. Okay S. P. H.. I don't use name we can't tell thank cue thank you. It's been this is the end team. Aranda walked up to US handed an envelope and walked away. That letter contained some strange but familiar lyrics. Sometimes I do things that could either with me a medal or lands me in jail. What is that what it's one of my song? LEARY looked you up. And he knows your song lyrics Landman Ameri is a singer songwriter in her spare time. Well now you do. We got off the trolley at the stop indicated and tried to figure out what this lyrical clue could possibly mean with the cryptic cylinder thingy that we had received in the beginning with the name of the song human. Oh spell human. Yeah I am so delighted the Ameri this song was the Columbia firehouse walked to the bag. Downstairs use the key to get into the interview. Sees A in Columbia. Finally finally we made it to the firehouse walked down the stairs. Install the light at the end of our treasure hunt tunnel. That light was the writer who set us on this adventure. He was holding three beers and our big brass key. It was just a bottle opener. This is like the most clever thing that's ever happened in my gosh. Wow Played Sir. Thank you for all events. The man behind the treasure hunt in a minute they favor tell us your name and like we are what you do. How old you are where you're from? My name is Chris Waters and I am the architects. I'm thirty two years old. I have a company that was built by. Read it most people that hire Mir for read it most people that I hear from read it and pretty much all of my marketing is also kind of on read it and what is the company. The company is called constructed adventures and I create extraordinary experiences for people. A lot of treasure hunt type things but it doesn't just up there. Would you call this live gaming. What's the sort of technical technical term for this treasure hunt? cooed work. But I've had a lot of people that participate in these say those terms don't quite do it justice so I think an alternate reality game. The goal is to kind of give them a day where the whole world seems to revolve around them. Where did the idea come from to design a treasure hunt for your secret Santa? It just Kinda came to this. I have this opportunity to do something really really cool for Internet stranger. I'll never get this opportunity again. The reason Chris is saying this was a unique opportunity. Is that out of a handful of of times. He's participated in this global gift exchange. This one time he got someone who lived close to him in Arizona. which meant that? Chris could actually give his secret Santa and his secrets. Hannah's girlfriend a real life adventure. I just kind of started talking to him to feel out if he would be up for something like like this. I didn't outwardly. Say you're going on a treasure hunt adventure thing. It really was just like okay you to give me a day and the next weekend Saturday or Sunday we're both of you are completely we available. And he said Okay I can try to swing it and I did talk him off the ledge time where he said you know. How do I know I'm not going to get murdered? Ordered in the desert. His girlfriend thought it was Ellen which sorry to disappoint you know. Let's talk about the inspiration. So national treasure is a bad movie that you really think is a great national treasures is the best movie ever the perfect family movie because there is action intrigue. You're in American history humor. There is zero violence that there's never a moment. It's literally the perfect family. Movie is the threat the violence but no violence. That's true Chris. I constructed adventure. had a national treasure vibe to it it started with a stranger knocking on the couple's door and giving giving them a mysterious briefcase filled with clues and information and it ended with Chris handing them their gift and ended at this cool little underground speakeasy bar are where I sat next to him and slid them this bottle of champagne in a box that was wrapped as their final gift. And said congratulations. You did it. Here's your gift not surprisingly Singley. This whole adventure blew up on read it. It got posted on our picks the photo community where it really took off Chris and a friend had built a rudimentary website site which was immediately inundated with requests. All of a sudden. These two guys had a budding business. Like what part of your personality lead you to doing miss people wake up and go to work and although there might be some deviations they know exactly what's going to happen. They're going to go to work nine to five Monday through Friday on the weekends they're going to relax and binge-watch net flicks and then two weeks out of the year. They're going to go on some vacation if they're lucky and that's exactly what's going to happen and they know and it gets kind of depressing and so my goal is always to kind of create that like I'm going to go into the office and I don't know baby something weird that happened right and that's something doing the world kind of needs at first. It was just a side hustle but eventually Chris had a moment where things came to ahead he was working for this tech company doing doing his own grind in California one day after a horrible day at work he went surfing to clear his head and the water was choppy. There was too many people I I tried to catch a wave. BIFF IT my leash. Which is what connects your board? Your ankle snapped and my board tumbled in and I had to swim back in shore and so I'm sitting on the beach just I can't even surf and that was kind of that Rom com moment. Where like the guy's fiancee leaves him? And he's sitting in the rain and then like a car splashes him whereas like okay this something needs to change. He had to get out and lean into this new thing that he cared much more about so he called all this buddy who had become his side hustle business partner so he said I'm going to give you my half of this business. Because he had his own business. He's doing great. He's still doing ingrate someday. He's going to get the greatest fucking adventure of his life. I can tell you that Because I still like and you can hear me emotional about him. Big Time so had money saved talk to my mom who basically said. We're ski scenario. Come back comb talk to my brother who was like worse case scenario. Come crush myself up now. Chris is effectively homeless but he's constantly traveling around the country to set up adventures. He's doing wedding proposals. Corporate events other kinds of parties. He's been Costa Rica. Miami Sudanese headed to Milan for a marriage proposal. Right now he's booked through June of Twenty nineteen even has a big spreadsheet of other editors in different cities who have offered to help Pimm with his adventures. He says he always pays them for their time. Even if it means less profit he charges a flat right now. He says he's just trying to grow his business business. I never traveled before this and now I'm in a new city every week and that's kind of cool and it's something that I'll be able to treasure no matter what happens when this what does it mean to you to send someone on a treasure hunt. And what do you hope bay kind of take away from experience. The world's gotten safer since the seventies statistically statistically but the information spread is so frequent that you hear about every shooting you hear about every bombing here but every horrible thing that happened in this world old and you kind of have this immediate reaction. If someone's going to approach you you're like I don't WanNa talk to you like headphones on like I don't want this and so this business was kind of trying to swing network and the other direction where people embrace spontaneity and fun and intrigue and if I can be a piece of that that's spectacular and If I can kinda vehicle for that it'd be great and then there's a great reddit thread long time ago. That said you know at one point. In time we all went outside to play with our friends for the last time. And we never noticed. And this is the way to go outside. And play with your friends again. Chris's existence even. If he gets to meet New People in every city might be a little lonely. That is a price. He is willing to pay to put a little more adventure into the world. But we have one more story for you that is made to strangers using red at gift oft into life partners. Say My name is Liza on Reddit. I'm Marie Andrew and I'm currently living in Dubai. My name is Josh on ready. I am signatures and I'm also currently living in Dubai. Do you want us to tell you the story. Yeah please tell us the story where we start from the beginning. Yes so Leases from Belgium. Josh is from the UK and a few years back. The each signed up for rettig addict gifts Leeza was assigned Josh so she sent him some presence. Some books about roleplaying games are RPG's because they both liked some of the same games on Christmas Day of two thousand fifteen. Josh in Leeza began trading messages. They were using the chat software for red. It's gift exchange which is meant for anonymous messages ages between users. Who Want to figure out what to send each other and get pumped up about the gift for Josh and Liza a quick back and forth turned into a deluge we sort out of tested the limits of that messaging software to the point where I think it basically was like almost unreadable? It's sort of create such a long chain of messages and we wheel twombly swap numbers and sort of it went on from there. And you know that that anxiety when when you're in love or when you are talking to someone really Nice Ace. That was a kind of anxiety I was feeling from the first second. I messaged well basically the second message I got from Josh. Same for me. It was. It was quite strange because his oversee like this was like not context. You'd expect to me anyone and we were talking about being together for like forever. Basically like within within unliked within like a few days of seeing other lying I carman but like very specific it was super. Both of us had this just just really weird magnet lie attraction to each other like just from just talking. We won't even like we didn't know anything about each other but we just sort of had this stranger attraction one of the crazy things here. Is that these new lovebirds. Were sticking to read it rolls because anonymity is at the center of how the Gift Exchange works so so for the first two and a half weeks or three weeks of US actually talking and really in the period fell for each other I heard Lisa's voice by never saw her or or a new name hatch will name. There was a lot of talk about with my friends at the time about how she could be could be just being catfish basically like she could be any block. I just saw have faith in the fact that she was being genuine. There was sort of a point where things sort of go a little bit. Strange and Lisa said ow. I see you as such a good friend. Basically the kind of thing yeah friend off but she kind of sense that this there was more to this and sort of after talking about it but more like and it turned out that she was sort of. I was trying to hide my feelings. So so when did you two meet. How quickly did this escalate? We call each other on New Year's Eve and basically I can't remember who exactly exactly proposed it. Basically I apologize walls. These she said we should meet on Valentine's Day in Paris and that that became anymore. Plan okay so that was. The drunk plan meet in Paris on Valentine's Day. The sober plan was there is no way they were gonNA wait that long for big romantic gesture so they decided to meet even sooner in Antwerp were. Liza lived big moves. What was that like seeing each other for the first time time well lease on the day I write had to work basically so I had to get her apartment and she left the key for me in like a bag in the mailbox so I saw oh had to reach into the mailbox key out and I went into apartment and office? Kind of blown away. She'd stunk like one hundred. Fifty post is along the wall saying lots of Nice things basically about how she was really looking forward to seeing me about how she louis how she loved me and she left in like Belgian food for me and I literally had to sit then for like four hours just waiting eighteen and it was It's the longest in my life and eventually when to pick her up from she off the tram from work and I saw locked and we we just saw the like smiling. I'm you saw just bumping into each other as we walked as we went back to the surreal surreal. I actually got off a stop earlier because I just couldn't grasp at the anticipation and I was literally. Ah I was crying. I was so nervous. What if he did like me? What have you wanted to go back to the UK? Ah Everything was fine. Everything was amazing. From the moment I I saw Josh. I just everything was alright. So they did the long distance thing every three weeks one would go see the other for meanwhile then they moved together had to we sort of secretly you kind of said to each other. Look this is going to go the distance but we didn't do anything ready formal formal until the following February lease a new. I think one hundred percent that he was coming by I propose to her in in Paris amounting amounting stay following February honestly. I never thought I would be married. I thought I would be the kind of woman that lives on a farm with twenty golden retrievers and just hates the world. 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#A196 (anodize to anon)

The Dictionary

07:35 min | 1 year ago

#A196 (anodize to anon)

"Hello words welcome to another episode of the dictionary. Let's get to the words because i can't think of anything interesting to tell you. That's going on in my life alright. I is anna dies a. n. o. d. i z. E. this is a transitive verb from sixteen. No nineteen thirty eighty one my brain flip the nine to a six all right the definition is to subject a metal to electrolyte action as the an code of a cell in order to coat with a protective or decorative film and a decision is a noun next. We have the first form form of anodyne a. n. d. y. n. e. this is an adjective from fifteen forty three one serving to to alleviate pain to not likely to offend or arouse tensions and a synonym is a knock use this this is from greek ano- dinos or ano- dinos <hes> which is from owed line which means pain and it is probably akin to the old english rush avon e. t. a. n. which means to eat now. We have these second form of anodyne. It's a noun from circa fifteen fifty fifty one something that soothes calms or comforts as in the anodyne of bridge a comfortable book or sport and and that is from harrison smith to a drug that allays pain next we have anoint vis is a transitive tiv- verb from the fourteenth century one to smear or rubbed with oil or an oily substance to a to apply oil to as a sacred right especially for consecration to be to choose by or as if by divine election also to designate as if by a ritual anointment as in critics anointed the author as the bright new new talent anoint ter- is a noun and anointment is also a noun this is from latin inman guerra <hes> which just from which means to smear and there's more at the word owing to mint next. We have a phrase anointing of the sick. It's from sixteen forty nine and it just has the synonym extreme unction u. n. c. t. i. o. n. Next we have a noli soli a. n. o. l. e. <hes> this is a noun from seventeen forty five any of a genus of our boreal american lizards as the american chameleon of the iguana family that have a brightly colored do lap and the ability to change colour delap is spelled d. e. w. l. a. p. All one word it's like the morning dew on the fresh cut grass in the morning and then the word lap l. a. p. I am fascinated when animals can change color and sometimes shape <hes> octopuses says or i guess i should say why are really really good at that. I think there's some other similar creatures that do that but man. I've seen some videos where they just blend into orrock or a coral or something and you would have no idea they are there. It's partly color. It's partly shape changing and it is absolutely amazing. Zien what these creatures can do <hes>. It's just all natural ability. It's it's absolutely amazing. The etymology says this this is probably from the french. No lists <hes> which is from the arawak of the lesser antilles <hes> our walk lesser antilles are all capitalized is d- next we have anomalous this is an adjective from sixteen fifty five one inconsistent with or deviating dating from what is usual normal or expected and synonyms are irregular and unusual i would put myself in that category to a of uncertain nature or classification to be marked by incongruity or contradiction and a a synonym is paradoxical and then we have a synonym for all definitions it is the word irregular which was also for the number one definition a non. Oh this is a hard word to say. Anomalous lee is an adverb and anomalous and this is a noun. This is from the greek anomalous hosts which literally means uneven and that is from home los which means even from komo's h. m. o. s. which means same and and there's more at the word same and of course we are homo sapiens <hes> and in that case it means same next we have anomaly. It's a noun from sixteen sixteen o three one. The angular distance of a planet from its perry he leon as seen from the sun to deviation from the common rule synonym is irregularity three something anomalous something different abnormal peculiar or not easily classified classified next we have annemie. Sorta sounds like the word enemy but this is spelled a. n. O. m. y. or could also also spelled a. n. O. m. y. <hes> this is a noun from nineteen thirty three social instability resulting from a breakdown of standards and and values also personal unrest alien nation and uncertainty that comes from a lack of purpose or ideals onomic is an adjective this is from the greek a non mea which means lawlessness and that is from a no most which means lawless which is from no most which means is law and from name mean which means to distribute and there's more at the word nimble. I've said it before and i'll say it again how oh disney nimble connect to all of the words that we just read. I'm super fascinated and curious by that next. We have a non the first i form it's an adverb from before the twelfth century one is archaic at once synonym is immediately two we have these synonyms soon and presently as in tomorrow will be here and that is from nathaniel hawthorne three after a while synonym is later as in more of that a non now we have the second form of a non and this this will be the last word for the episode. It's an abbreviation for anonymous or anonymously and i'm going to pick a word for the episode. I'm going to go ahead and pick the word anomaly <hes> a. n. o. m. a. l. y. <hes> it's a fun word to say but also anomalies are just something that are that's interesting and different <hes> abnormal peculiar as the definition said <hes> so yeah. That's the end of the episode. Thank you very much for listening and until next time this is spencer reading you the dictionary goodbye.

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Gule stjerner p bl baggrund

Clues

13:17 min | 4 months ago

Gule stjerner p bl baggrund

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Episode 5. Levelling the playing field

FT Tech Tonic

27:48 min | 3 weeks ago

Episode 5. Levelling the playing field

"Hi i'm alan gannett. I'm shane snow. And you're listening to creative hotline. The advice show dedicated to helping creators reach their full potential high. Alan shane from buffalo thunder. Hi al anon shane. This is gina from mexico city. We take question from someone who was disqualified from an art competition because he programmed a computer to make his art for him. Art is not about just the crap. I wonder if human brains are capable of original thought roof. We can only think in terms of permutations of things. We've actually experienced. Aw i love this. It's getting real existential. In the case of machines and artificial intelligence would hardware count as a body lou. I think we need to sit down around a campfire with zevon and really have look at the things i learned today. My third grade teacher tricked me. I'm just kidding we love you like you were great creative hotline. Leave your question. The smoke try is a big center. Mike's burgess owns the secret smokehouse a shop in east london specialized in smoked fish. Then we've got hot smoked salmon mackerel at first glance. It's not the most obvious place for an ecommerce story. And then we hope. Smoke patty macro patty. Before the pandemic most of max's revenue came from selling his products wholesale restaurants hotels. Yeah the bread and butter was was wholesale. That all changed a year ago. Max is wholesale business fell by ninety five percent during the first month restrictions that thrill curve ball into the whole system which was just meant mental. Auspice on the tally saying us. Food delivery services where you can. That was the trigger where everybody was jumping on line and buying from the website in the uk. Millions of did just as prime minister. Boris johnson advised on the eve of the first lock down. We felt more online and have been doing so ever since the need to switch to online shopping has arguably provided consumers with more choice but it's also caused scrutiny of the commerce market. Max is one of the many small business owners who is harnessed. The power of economist survive the pandemic and he decided not to sell through that big company amazon. The strategy was very much about building. Our brand is secrets. Coast and come to our website and support us the switch to online shopping by hundreds of millions. More consumers during the pandemic is meant that a handful of giant tech companies now possess data on more people's likes and dislikes than at any point in history as consumers. Does this provide us with more choice. Inconvenience always simply resigned to living in a world. where a few big companies dominate the digital marketplace. You're listening to tectonic. I'm joan hill innovation editor at the financial times. And your host for this series this season we're exploring how the pandemic is accelerating the transition to online world and transforming so many aspects of our lives in this episode. we're looking at the rapid growth of economize over the past year. The profits of big tech companies of sword as billions of people have switched to working shopping more online. This increased power of the big tech companies has made regulators both in the us and europe question. How the digital marketplace should operate in the future the idea of a few big companies controlling the market is an uneasy one for many as the pandemic finally created the impetus to rein in the power of big tech. In max's case he chose to sell goods on shopping. Fi amazon's nearest competitor because shop. If i allowed him to sell through the smoke houses own website. The ecommerce company provides the infrastructure or the plumbing so to speak behind the site. Something that appealed to max. The justice over is incredibly easy. The order comes in you print off and you can print your shipping label that then ties in your career and then you just pick the order on packet and it gets picked off. It goes and then they've also got point of sale system as well so all ties in very nicely with inventory. Shopping is valued at about one hundred fifty billion dollars. It pales in comparison with amazon's one point five trillion dollar market value and for many regulators in this new world of commerce having one large company dominating the market who's is a problem the pandemic have just exacerbated it. You have tease tim. Bradshaw has been writing about the growth of e commerce during the crisis global correspondent. I cover a number of different things over the last year. E commerce has been a particular focus just because it's been such a huge wave of growth during the pandemic the biggest change in e commerce is that everyone has been forced to use it whether or not they were ordering things off amazon every day or it was the first time they'd ever place to supermarket order online. That's led to huge growth for companies like amazon and shop. I talked about seeing years of acceleration in what they are expecting to see in the next five years. All kind of happening once. This tech boom has also resulted in some intense criticism of the four major tech companies. Both in the united states and the european union subcommittee will come to order in july. Twenty twenty the us house of representatives held a hearing with the chief executives of the four largest tech companies apple. Google facebook and amazon in twenty thirteen. It was reported that you instructed employees to approach discussions with certain business partners. And i quote the way. A cheetah would pursue a sickly gazelle is the gazelle projects still in place and does amazon pursue similar predatory campaigns in other parts of its business. I cannot a comment on that. Because i don't remember it. The hearings focused on whether these tech companies violating antitrust law basically whether they are suppressing competition unwielding monopoly power in legal. All these companies. Not just amazon came under fire for their business. Practices has facebook ever threatened to clone the products of another company while also attempting to acquire that company congresswoman. Not that. I not that. I recall google steering advertising revenue to google. Search congressman uses company. Google search it is that traffic and that's fair. Revenue comes from so. We work hard to earn their trust. There's a lot of apps on store and a lot of people are making a very good living. Forgive me for interrupting but you said that several times but that to me just underscore the monopoly nature of your business. That everybody's gotta go through. There's really no alternative. Antitrust regulators historically have very much focused on the issue of consumer home. That's quite hard making a lot of these cases because the tech companies or providing many of their services for free so there really has to be a different kind of standard applied to these companies. What what do you think the regulators are going to focus on aitor. I think is one of the biggest focus points because that's a way of finding market power an understanding the value of that data in a way that's different to tamir sort of price consumer benefits and think there's also a question of how broadly or narrowly we define these different markets. Apple can argue that. It's a small player in the mobile market. But if you're an app developer that's wanting to sell to iphone customers. You can only sell that through. Apple's still so what is the relevant market there. I think there's a there's becoming a real shift in understanding that when some of these marketplaces all worth tens of billions of dollars by themselves even if they're A subset of a large market is a willingness from the sort of newer approach of anti-trust regulation to kind of say this is one company with an extraordinary amounts of power over. This particular. Tonight is often quite hard to find specific examples of that but one that the congressional hearings did focus on was the case of quincy. This is a a case from from ten years ago where the company behind diapers dot com which sells allied was basically. I wasn't tried to buy them. Quincy so amazon. Started lowering prices of diapers nappies on its own website until it became impossible for ready to compete in and then they had to sell out to amazon. And here's congresswoman. Mary scanlon questioning amazon. Founder jeff bezos about companies twenty ten acquisition of quincy. It appears that in one month alone amazon was willing to bleed over two hundred million dollars in diaper profit losses. I'm mr bezos. How much money was amazon ultimately willing to lose on this campaign to undermine diapers dot com. Thank you for the question. I don't know the answer your question. This is going back in time. I think maybe ten or eleven years or so you can meet. Maybe the dates on those documents. But what i can tell you is the idea of using a diverse and products like that to attract new customers who are with new families is a very traditional idea another big part of the critique for all of these companies is that they act as gatekeepers they offer their own products and they decide how other companies products displayed and treated and they have data on. How all of those items are performing. It's as if you're opening up your trade secrets on your Cash register to your closest competitor. Batzelli hubbard an antitrust experts and the director of enforcement strategy of the open markets institute in washington. Dc she's also the author of a book called monopolies suck. Sally says amazon status as gatekeeper and the owner of all that data puts businesses selling their products on amazon in a very tough spot because when they team up with the online commerce platforms like amazon. They will have no bargaining power. They will have their Prophets siphoned off with huge commissions. It's really ultimately a losing proposition for any company at the same time. Most do not have much of a choice of whether they're going to sell on amazon or not in europe the eu files and unstressed against amazon. For how they collect and use data his what margaret festival. The books competition commissioner says about amazon's use of data as a small merchant. You know you take a risk you have to figure out what what product should i put out there. What should be the prices you have to invest. You have to consider you. You put your uses at risk very very often when you do that amazon. On the contrary they have all the data and it's not just about what's sold it is also how it's paid for what is returned What people looking at next and that of course enables them to to do that. Business with a completely uncompetitive low level of risk compared to their competitors are on the same platform in the us. Jeff bezos argue. That amazon is big because customers lover. Eighty percent of americans have a favorable impression of amazon overall. Who do americans trust more than amazon to do the right thing. Only their doctors and the military amazon might be even more popular on wall street. Though solely before the pandemic hit the us amazon became one of only a handful of companies ever to reach one trillion dollar valuation. But since then it's roxanne. Share prices added another trillion dollars market capitalization that's more than the entire stock market value of walmart. Which is around four hundred billion dollars nonetheless. Basil still argues. The amazon makes up just a small part of a huge global market. The retail market we participate in is extraordinarily large and competitive amazon accounts for less than one percent of the twenty five trillion dollar global retail market and less than four percent of. us retail. There's room and retail for multiple winners. Basil says in competes lots of other companies including big ones like wolves and target. But that depends on how you define the retail market. His sally hubbard again amazon. Likes to say it's not a monopoly because it has four percent of all retail but that is not does not hold up on her address analysis at all. there is no product market as broad as all retail. You define that market what you do. Is you look at the realm of substitutes one of the companies that a consumer or a third party seller could switch to amazon change the prices of the fees reduced quality as just not the case at all retail falls in that category. I mean if amazon raises the prices on razors than the local hardware store is not substitute So instead of focusing on these market definitions that the tech platforms like to present the more helpful thing to look at is the direct evidence of monopoly power which powered control prices or exclude competitors. Sally says definition of monopoly power and other foundations of antitrust regulation in the. Us come from to lose acted well over a century ago we have a be sherman act which was passed back in eighteen ninety eight which is all about preventing companies from great competes booking monopolization of the market. That's when one company used its muscle to exclude competition rather than competing on merit. The second is the class in which was passed in. Nineteen fourteen and that prohibits mergers. That might lessen competition or create. Now what's happened in the united states is that these laws being quite broad have been interpreted by courts over the years and in recent decades. They've really narrowed. The law said that They're not quite working as their intended. The governor should work to create the conditions in which fair trade will flourish. We should be trying to foster the growth of two way trade. The open foreign markets not close our own that shift in how the courts interpreted antitrust law was ushered in during the presidency of ronald reagan and an ideology that would define his time in office near liberalism. Remember that being tough on trade and commerce lifeblood of the economy will have the worst possible consequences for the consumer and the american worker. And the idea. Was that as you got. Companies get bigger through mergers and through anti competitive conduct that excludes competitors that actually they become more efficient and that consumers will benefit because these companies can charge less as become more efficient It's been a thirty forty year experiment that has failed terribly. We've seen that when these corporations get bigger and bigger they do not pass on any savings consumers they have less competitors therefore consumers end up paying actually higher prices the wolves a boost trust in the late nineteen ninety s. Understand the co for hundreds of microsoft correct. Yes when the. Us department of justice brought case against which chairman ceo bill gates founder of microsoft answered questions from government lawyers during a three day deposition in nineteen ninety eight. Sally was an intern at the time. Learning about it was actually the last major antitrust case in the united states against a tech monopoly more than twenty years. In the meantime. What's happened is we've the same problems at usc. Microsoft tried to solve have risen again and in fact. Today's tech platforms are all really following in the footsteps of microsoft. Saudi says that at the time microsoft how the monopoly and ninety five percent market share on operating systems for personal computers most popular up branches by a wide margin marketshare windows. He told companies that may. Pc's that if they wanted the operating system they'd need to install microsoft's internet explorer. Not the web browsers. It was competing with like netscape navigator. Fact that you'll executive microsoft back. In april nineteen ninety-five. We're concerned netscape's web browser pose a threat to microsoft's windows but it's no sir i don't know when people began to think of netscape's competitor to windows saudi says if the department of justice had not intervened. That probably would be no google chrome which is now the world's most popular browser and ironically Do go then did exactly the same thing with its android operating system telling the phone makers i if you want our android operating system which by the way is the only real license -able Or phones then you need to pre installed our apps and not allow competitors to have shot. Giggle is attracting regulatory attention. To the department of justice announced an antitrust case against google over its dominance in search last october but after that bursts of activity with the microsoft case the us eased off for trust enforcement again which sally says has allowed for the tech companies to keep solidifying them. Please is the is the antitrust statutes broad enough to regulate the tech industry. Yes it is. And actually i think that even on your current standards that have been made quite weak by the courts the major tech platforms are all violating the antitrust laws under our current standards And what we've had is actually a problem. Where enforcers haven't had will to bring these cases. Sanni says the dominance of the big four hours in google facebook and apple makes it nearly impossible to compete on the same playing field. What we have our four companies With their own particular domains and if an entrepreneur wants to start a business that is An any way challenging one of those domains just can't get funded the called kill zones from what sally habit is saying there. It sounds like it might not be a matter of bad loans themselves but rather of weaken forcement. Is that right yes. I think that's definitely true. I mean for a long time was A relationship where politicians tickly in america were very excited about silicon valley in ankeny america. Great american great story. But that's seems to really changed in the last couple of years and particularly in the last year with the pandemic has demonstrated. Just how reliant. We've all become on a very small number very very large tech companies. Had one economists talk about amazon ineffective on the marketplace is an incumbent inside a trader because it is the center of all these incredible data flows in far more about pricing structure who the customers are. The sensitivities are pricing. And so on. Then anyone who actually Tries to sell goods on that marketplace. Do you think that's a good comparison. Yes i i i think. It's a great comparison. I am. I think the the powder that gives to not but also apple facebook. Google is because the so much that they can say about what's going on in the marketplace. That's data that they've been able to use to inform their for development and acquisition activity. And why didn't max at the smoke house in east london us amazon says he thought about it but he was buried the his products in his brand. Just get lost. If you sell through amazon. I just think that that's otherwise derogatory to your brand what you're trying to achieve your strategy. Unlike amazon shafie stays in the background. If you look at secret smoke. Houses website is an obvious. They're even using the platform. Max gets to keep his brand influence of his customers and finds dealing with five pretty straightforward communicate with them. You can email the you conceal the statistics analytics about the returning customers. Fundamentally or comes down to economics okay so should bite your percentage margin on what you're making a new one to build a brand. In the u margaret vestigal has been spearheading. Something called the digital services. Act to create a more competitive digital marketplace. So the first leg will say these are the things that you should do. These are the things that you cannot do for instance you cannot promote yourself if you're in competition with others On your platform. What you should do could be that. Those yushu platform should have access to their own data and the second leg of of the did so markets acts would allow us to look at market conditions in market. That's not tip yet where you do not yet have a gatekeeper for that market in order to make sure that that market is still open and contestable rescue crews cautious however about the idea of breaking up big tech. It obviously would would take us to court for a very very long time. And it's a given. What would be the outcome of breaking up companies. Let alone so far. I've had a case where that would be. The only remedy sally hubbard says that breaking amazon is only part of the solution. It may still not be enough because of all the ways amazon can control his platform. This would take a depth investigation to figure out what are all the levers. The amazon is pushing and pulling to distort competition. I think we also a nondiscrimination regime. That's going be required at all. Companies that have to deal with amazon are treated the same An amazon cannot self preference or prioritize itself in any way tim. We're seeing quite a shift in mood in america at the moment with the biden presidency. It looks as though both tim wu and lean economy joining the administration and they to the most eloquent antitrust experts out there. You think we're going to see a remote impetus from the administration itself to tackle the big tech companies. I think to me. That's one of the strongest signs. Silicon valley needs to worry. I mean there was perhaps a sense. The when trump left office that they might have an easier ride under biden. But i mean lean. Tim wu are very much at the forefront of the new rules of engagement around antitrust and if they are now put in a position of real legislative power a i mean. That's that's when things really starts change. Silicon valley isn't gonna go down without fights. They all believe that what they're doing in many ways is benefiting consumers an the last year on the stock market advancing anything stray ball. They've got a lot of support from wall street. Investors which just gives them even more financial five. Keep doing it so it's not going to be an easy ride. Even with a tougher team going to the in washington. The growth of e-commerce is just one of the lasting legacies of this pandemic thinking back over the five episodes we've produced for this season. I mean climbed to take a long-term view or this change in online behavior one economist who takes a historical perspective. He's caught a who was identified. Five great technological revolutions over the past two hundred and fifty years. I was the industrial revolution itself. The second steam engines railways third electricity. The fourth oil 'cause and mass manufacturing and finally fifth revolution the information technology revolution which were in the middle of right now. Res- points out that after all of these preceding technological upheavals has been a great institutional reawakening societies have get out how to adapt to the latest technology creating new rules for how economies and societies operate. And that's really where regulation in the past. Governments have introduced laws to protect workers in factories or children mills. And i think that's where we're heading at the moment. A new era of institution-building. You've seen the destruction caused by technology and now we're politicians lawmakers and civil society figuring out ways to humanize technology and reassure people and it's being used for societal benefit. Not just a private game. You've been listening to tectonic from the financial times in london with me. John thornhill reported this week was tim. 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John Wayne Gacy: The Killer Clown

"You're listening to a downright creepy original on the crickets podcast network. You walk into that strange where we dive deep into the internet. Uncovering anything we think is weird strange controversial or makes you think i'm one of your host. Alex joins us always with chad n. Ryan on this week. Season three finale. We're diving in. John wayne gracie from his rough upbringing to the monster. He eventually came almost nailed it to have juice juice orange juice. Do we want to do that again. Or no no keep going just rocket swiss's is live all right. We'll do it live. i'll right it. We'll do it live. Let's go all right so before we get to our into the topic Which is crazy one that we decided to record on easter. We're weird we just wanted to remind you to head on over to that. Strange dot net where you'll find links to all of the important things that have to do with us Including our instagram twitter. Facebook facebook group. All the things. There's so much stuff and we're just getting started so definitely had on over there and make sure to give us a follow and you'll be the first to hear of all of the wonderful things. That chad is doing because chad is the one that keeps this show together as we found out in the previous episode. Thank you chad. You're welcome buddy. So i kind of talked to al anon i. I've said on this show before that i'm really into serial killers and that was i think when we were talking about the night soccer that i'd never heard of right chad hate cereal and i also he does want to kill cereal. I also told alex last night. That i have never heard of john wayne gracie so it turns out a turns out that i'm not in serial killer apparently real quick. Yeah i'm blown away by said you told me something last night and then just right and ryan just now said he was blown away by it. we work together. It's not weird or maybe it is something last night because that was bright. Sorry while i was laying in bed with alex. I told him while we were having breakfast. Investigation so yeah. So i am shocked. You don't know you didn't know about john wayne gay soon. I mean i think that i like came across. Maybe like pictures of him. Dresses clown and that kind of stuff but as far as like the full story now no then don't remember reading it whatsoever. But that's wild i i never would have guessed it like for me john wayne. Jc is up there with like some of the ones like jeffrey dahmer that i feel like everyone just knows about Or you know like any of those those higher up names like the ones that just everyone is like aware of right like i just. You'll like this one in that category. So i'm just shocked. I can't believe you've never heard of it anyway. We can move on from john wayne. Casey was born in march of nineteen forty two. He was born to a small family in chicago. His father was a mechanic and also a world war two or world war one vet correction world war one vet while his mother took care of the children. Casey had two sisters one younger one older and throughout his childhood he was close to both sisters and his mother however he had a pretty rough relationship with his father and it seems like anytime that we talk about serial killers or if you read about serial killers. This seems to be something that comes up a lot abusive drunk father. You know that kind of stuff. So it's not shocking but unfortunate but yeah it's It's one of those things like you don't you kind of expected at this point but But yeah i agree with you like it. It's sad but it definitely. It definitely seems to coincide with these types of stories. Unfortunately right so. His father was a alcoholic obviously abusive he would belittle him call him names and put them in competition with his sisters. Gase often was physically abused by his father to being beaten for menial mistakes that every child makes although he was abused by his father. This did not change the young boys perception of his father which it rarely does right. I mean most of these kids that are abused they want. They still love their father which it almost makes them want like their father's affection even more right absolutely so he he stated in interviews that that he loved his father and he felt that he was never good enough in his eyes which is understandable right in nineteen forty nine gieszi and a friend were accused of sexually fondling young girl upon learning of this gaseous. Father whipped him with a razor strope strop. I could go both ways on this. I'm going to go with a razor or stripe. A strike route stripe gum. It's spelled strope. But i think it stop. It is so maybe anyway. It's used a leather belt. Essentially belt right so razor belt. Ooh that does not well. No no not a razor belt. Leather strap used to sharpen razor. That somewhat looks like a belt. Got it right got it. That makes more sense to me down. So it's one of those things like a shook haircut. Her person yeah barbour street racer yes. The definition of barbara's haircut person it's a haircut. Her person look mom so in the same year that that happened. Nineteen forty-nine gave was sexually multiple times by a family friend in contractor. He was often abused in the man's work truck and was obviously fearful to tell his father fearing his father wouldn't blame it on dc himself which is understandable so right out of the gate we have the making of a serial killer when he's very young. Like if you look at like. I said earlier if you look at it. Majority of serial killers have this kind of background as a child. Am i wrong though. It's it's pretty typical. I mean everything is it. it's almost. I mean i. It's kind of expected that something like this would lineup. You know the the origins being the same and in growing up with an abusive mother or father Having a dysfunctional childhood and in general is pretty pretty common for something like this so hey real quick before we move on i just wanted to say thank you everybody Who's watching Through panic fest. We are so glad and fortunate to be a part of this. Thank you to downright creepy who Who obviously gave us this opportunity in the first place as well as crickets podcast network and things to tim casey canton and everybody involved that That made this possible and shout out to all the other shows in the indie films and all that they're going to be a part of it. This is all been put together. So well and and i'm really looking forward to. This is prerecorded. So that way. You guys can have video on demand. And so. i'm. I'm really looking forward to seeing it all. So that's what i and if you our show chances are you'll love the other shows because we're like we're not even that good so yeah so i mean definitely go check out the other ones this one because only goes up hill from here. Definitely i feel like i say it on every blog post but if you like our podcast. Downright creepy is where you need to be. Because it's all so absolutely completely agree. So adding to the abusive relationship with his father the sexual assaults that he that he got he also grew up as an overweight child. He was diagnosed with a health condition or a heart condition. Sorry he avoided most physical activities including sports because of that heart condition. Once casey hit fifth grade he began experiencing blackouts. He was hospitalized on several occasions due to these blackouts and he was also hospitalized for burst appendix not really relevant but however casey's father didn't by the tales of these blackouts any actually confronted him while the boy was sleeping in the hossa very or staying in the hospital that he didn't believe him the family. The sisters the mom they all believe the blackouts the episodes he was having however it was never definitively diagnosed now when alex and i watched the documentary. What do you say on the documentary. Like when he had a seizure he had like eighty times strength of of normal manner. Something ridiculous the dude is first of all. The dude is so like into himself. It's hilarious to watch and it's also again. It makes perfect sense. It's right in line with the You know like being a sociopath all that kind of stuff but yeah. He was like he's like the doctor. The doctor said that when i had seizures i had eighty times my own 'human strength and he just looked at each other. We're like what that doesn't even notice any sense. Doodoo an epileptic seizure. Yeah i had eighty times. He's a superhero. He's a marvel superhero. Get seizures okay. So friends in high school would often witness gays father abusing gase. He would rarely provoke his father. I mean they even. The sister said that like when his when their dad went downstairs to drink he came up a totally different person so according to family and friends that witnessed the abuse. They said that. Casey rarely fought back against his father and usually the mother was the one that would step in. Which would lead to even more name calling gase calling him a momma's boy in a wimp and all that stuff so like we said gay see had a pretty rough childhood and it's it's lining up for the things that are gonna come later in this episode that we're gonna talk about the product of an abusive home sexual assaults and living in the shadow of his alcoholic father so post childhood in the nineteen sixties at age. Eighteen gase started getting involved with the local politics working as an assistant for the democratic party. So this led to even more disgust from his father who just called him a patsy and you know i would imagine that. His father was not a democrat. And that's why he. He was getting these kind of responses from them but even at eighteen gazes father still was imposing his will on the boy he bought his son a car towns nice but he also used that car to punish him he would take the keys away and even went as far to take parts off the car so it wouldn't start okay. That's an extra step. That's an extra i will. I mean right. Yeah i just thought of the shining in watching like jack torrance or jack torrance all the spark plugs. Yeah i just what it reminded me. Of course horror movie right. What do you expect that from ryan by now so he would take these parts off the car in the last time that he did it. He put the car back together for gays engage decided to use that as his escape so he left chicago and ventured out to las vegas. He initially worked as an ambulance at an ambulance service before being transferred to a mortuary working for them for three months while also living in the mortuary now this next part i i. I'm going to say it because it was set at one point by him and then declined later but that is like right in line with everything that he says. He eventually declines later. Yeah so he. He confessed that while being alone at the mortuary one night he climbed into the coffin of a deceased teenager cuddling and rubbing the dead body before going into a state of shock. Now he says that that's a wild store. There's no way did anything like that. But the documentaries like plus plus the the people that are living are the ones you got to be concerned about like. It's just trying to make me like it's totally normal. I mean like when you think about it like in reality like he's not gonna complain right so i mean come on. There's family to sue me right. Yeah so the incident that that incident allegedly causes him to rethink his venture out to the desert and las vegas calls his mother. Ann asks for his father's permission to come back home. And his father agrees nineteen sixty four. He meets his first wife. They become engaged in september that same year gase also joined the local jaycees and this is he worked tirelessly for this organization. And or we'll get into a little bit more of what they were about. At least this charter of the jaycees. I would call it a charter. I think so chapter chat major so his wife marilyn meyers. Her father would eventually go on to purchase three. Kfc what restaurants in waterloo iowa. The couple would move to iowa so that gieszi could manage the restaurants. Couple would go on to have a child and when casey's father visited in nineteen sixty six. He privately apologized to gase for the physical and emotional abuse. Saying i was quote wrong about use on so he. It's always shocking when you hear about like a abusive father apologizing. Because that's very rare in. That must mean that it was pretty bad. He even noticed. Like i need to apologize to you know so. I don't know what you guys think of this. This childhood so far i mean. It's definitely dark like we. We kinda already said like a-. I would expect it with where the story goes but i mean it's it's definitely like it's obviously abusive. It almost feels like the dad was very manipulative. Which tracks with who became. I kind of like. I doubt whether or not this apology. I mean frankly if this apology even happened. Because let's put aside like how much of a liar john wayne. Casey is true eliminate. It almost seems like it was a manipulative. Like like You know. I'm going to try to get you know. Get on your good side because you're doing things that get you more power or something like it almost feels like that. It's like manipulation kinda. Yeah you're right. it's a good point. So at the time the waterloo jaycees which gary became deeply involved with when he moved there and served on the board of directors was also heavily involved in prostitution pornography and drug use using stag films. Too greatly increased interest in the group as well as membership to the group. Casey was also known to make sexual advances towards the young man. Who worked for him at kfc or that. He had met through the jc. If casey was ever confronted for this inappropriate behavior he would laugh it off as a joke. He's destroyed around. You know so in nineteen sixty seven. Gase sexually assaulted fifteen-year-old donald voorhees in the seems to be outside of the episode. That happened when he was younger. Fondling the little girl seems to be the first reported criminal activity or at least that he got caught for us say Donald voorhees was a son of a fellow. Jc casey was accused of luring donald to his house under the promise to show him the stag films that were regularly shown at the jc events. Casey gave the boy all allowed him to watch the stag thumbs before talking him into oral sacks and stating quote you have to have sex with a man before you can have sex with a female unquote who believes sure that logic checks not really no. Yeah no it does. Though over the next several months gase similarly allegedly abused several other youths. Gase also persuaded one of his employees to physically assault worries of voorhees. Went to the police obviously to tell him about what happened with gay c. n. jc sends a man to beat him up to stop him from testifying so the the man actually voorhees gets away from the attack and reports the guy to the police who is arrested at first. He denies any tidy. Casey did is that he was even at the incident in question venture. He confesses that he was requested by jc to carry out the assault so casey was ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation at the university of iowa or two doctors. Over the course of seventeen days examined casey before diagnosing him with a quote antisocial personality disorder. Which is the clinical term for a sociopath or a psychopath. So what do we think about that. I mean yeah though. I mean i think that casey was quoted as saying you know how my antisocial fm involved in all these things are involved in politics and stuff like that. But i think that he misses a fundamental definition of what this is right. So it's like it's a personality disorder that causes you to be bad in social situations not to be nonexistent right and by all accounts. He's a he's right. He's awkward like we said earlier like he would play off his bad behavior as up was just joking. It's not really a big thing right messing around and you know if you do that. So many times It starts to a pattern right right. Yeah yeah it seems like this is definitely checking with with the way that he was at the time but the the fact that he was. I mean seventeen days. I don't know that. Seems like a long time to me for to be stuck in a psychiatric psychiatric evaluation. But i've never had to do one. So maybe maybe. I'm maybe i'm wrong. No my own no. It's that's pretty typical. Because i think what it really is is he is in a in a basically a treatment center where he's being evaluated by doctors but at the same time that's where he stays staying right. Okay yeah that makes sense so gase would eventually plead guilty to one count of sodomy in relation to voorhees but not guilty in relation to the other allegations rather youths. Casey was sentenced to ten years in prison. His wife immediately filed for a divorce and he actually would never see his wife and two children ever again allegedly which is understandable that she finds this out. This is horrifying thing for a wife to find out about her husband. So it's not like that spot on. I would imagine any male would make that choice especially when you have children. I mean it's a no brainer. So he quickly grew a reputation in jail as a model inmate. He became the first cook in the prisons kitchen which was allegedly a prestigious job. He even went as far as to talk the warden into allowing donations from closing mini. Golf course taking the leftover remnants of the golf course to build a recreational area for the inmates while he was in prison. Casey's father passed away and a request to visit. His father's funeral was denied. So most of the people that i read interviews from said that during this time when he was around him after learning that father died. He was hysterically upset. Which i mean. It's that's really not any kind of shocking information of his father whether he's really ship. Yeah yup he could deny all he wants. You know having these attachments to his father despite their history but in the end i mean that's father. It's his father exactly. Yeah so he would eventually be released from prison under conditions of probation that he moved back to chicago and live with his mother less than a year following his release from jail and his move back to chicago. He was again charged with sexually assaulting a teenage boy that he had lured from greyhound bus terminal however the court dismissed this complaint when the boy failed to appear in court and this is like one of many times that we're probably going to see throughout the story that this guy could have been stopped right could have been the end right there and it could have been the end after you know what we get into later. But it doesn't seem to ever happen. It seems like people are kind of turning a blind eye to the sky. Does the fact that the kid missed court raise any suspicion or do you think that's just it was a raise suspicion. As far as did he make it up. No did did you have anything to do with it. I don't know that's great. I mean that's a great question. He definitely has a history of that. Obviously with four. He's so it would not shock me at all but it also wouldn't shock me if the boy just didn't want to talk about it in laura i mean the shame of it is that this is why a lot of like you know rape allegations in cases go by the wayside because the people involved don't want actually testify and you know that means usually that they present all the evidence so yeah this is unfortunately common which is an unfortunate thing. That really needs to end. I mean the stigma of it needs to go away but he would Gase would eventually go on to remarry a mother of two who upon learning of his bisexuality as well as him constantly bringing boys over to their house and going out into the garage with them would divorce him. his second wife would find gay pornography as men's wallets identification inside the house that she couldn't identify. You know random people's wallets which is interesting and i it. We're to put a pin in that for later. Because i wanna talk about that so thin police in place so through his membership at the local moves club. Casey learned of the jolly joker clown club. And this kind of seems like it's what he's like notoriously known for but i feel like it wasn't a major part of his life. It was just like a thing. I agree you know what i mean. I mean if you like everybody knows gase the clown like make up like the the thing that like circulated all the news. But i feel like it was overblown. Yeah like he. He did this mostly to just like go to kids parties and like entertain them like rice. That's what he basically said and he didn't do it that often. It's not like he. He actually kind of pretended he was something else to lur people in right clown right exactly. Yeah so he would eventually join the club and began performing as a clown at various different local events. The first clown was pogo. The clown who was the happy clown and patches the clown who according to him was the more serious character around that same time he also started a part time construction business and was checked into local politics again so he was always around local politicians. And i think in He was like photographed with the first lady. I think is that what it well. Yeah and they tried to like play it off. That he wasn't even supposed to be at the location but he actually helped organize it. Yeah it's it's a weird story. Yeah so i mean. I i get why they would want to distance themselves from. It'd be like he's totally wasn't supposed to be there. But i guess at the time like secret service gave every golden pins that were allowed to be there in the picture he has one of the pins so that i think speaks for itself. I would agree on that one. I think that you know once you find out the type of person that the that this guy is like you want to distance yourself but he definitely was there and he was definitely supposed to be there right now. It's not like they didn't know it's not like he snuck in and got a picture with the first lady so. Pm is the name of his construction. Business in the workforce was mostly made up of high school students and young men and a after everything comes out later on. They ask him why he employed obviously high school which is a really weird answer. And i think you're about to say it. But i'm just going act but you feel like you're you're talking to want to give you a break but you know what his answer was was when you hire young people like that you can train them the way you want to do things. And they're not coming in with these preconceived notions of how they do things. But that that's a weird statement because this guy eventually starts to do remodels for for pharmacies and things like that and like you need people that are going to do the job. Well and fast. You don't want people that you have to individually trained to do this job it's just. It's a very weird thing to even say it doesn't really make sense. It doesn't track with reality. And i just i mean it just seems like ally watching them even say it in that documentary. Like what. absolutely no i. I think it was absolutely an excuse to have the accessibility. You know to To have these kids around him all the time and and you're right it's Having people that are previously trained. Well one thing it's going to cost more you know true. We're going to have to pay these people for their whatever limited experience that they that they do have These kids who knows he could have been well. actually. I think it said it. One of the times. He made one of the kids made like two bucks an hour and then Gase was going to give him five bucks or something like that. Five bucks an hour. Yeah which in the seventies was a pretty decent. I mean it's a big increase for for students or young young young kids. So so in may of nineteen seventy five gay. Hire fifteen year old high school wrestler. That's important. I promised anthony antonucci gase went to the young man's home when he knew his parents weren't home the to drank wine. And watch stag films before. Casey started jokingly wrestling around with them before actually wrestling the teen down to the ground and handcuffing him gase left the room. For whatever reason and anthony was actually able to get one. Hand free of the handcuffs when casey reentered the teen rustled casey to the ground and managed to snag the handcuff key. Out of casey's pocket. He also slapped the handcuffs onto casey behind his back. Now first off. Let me say bad ass right dude. I mean is this is such a cool story. This is like bourne identity levels get but get out of the handcuffs and go right after him. This person And the other thing 'cause i know you guys know this too. I'm sure but in we'll probably get to it. But you know the whole. Handcuff thing that casey eventually does. I wonder if this is like the whole beginning to that. Like an obsession with maybe having a little bit more control. That's that's weird. yeah. I didn't catch this tie-in yep until just now so i mean it's a cool story. Obviously the guy say the guys. The kids saved himself. Casey is obviously highly upset. When he's in these handcuffs screaming at the boy. They let him go and he eventually calms down and actually talks anthony into letting him out of the handcuffs. Leave the house so nothing happened of this. Nothing came of this. There were no charges or anything you just let them go still a cool story absolutely so these stories like ryan said the galaxy talking teens into handcuffs via saying he's gonna show a magic trick or anything. It's peppered all throughout his historian in the stuff. We're going to get to later. It seemed like his preferred method of getting control of these kids. Gieszi would eventually purchase a larger home for him and his mother to live in following his second divorce. He moved into the house. That would eventually hold the bodies of all his victims he would use. The house is a kind of business front saying that he had like the. What was it like that. Dining room was the board meeting room or whatever it was just so funny because when we were watching the documentary he's talking and And he's like yeah have got You know there's just enough room for me to have my business and then we just had a you know kind of a spare room so we threw a whatever. He said like eight by ten. Yeah meeting conference room table in there. And and and that's where we host meetings for the business. That's where you have our conferences. And i'm thinking to myself and i told jabots like Where's his mom sleeping because the the living room is the front office and the lobby. He's got a board meeting room and all these other rooms that he said he has. And i'm like okay. So his mom sleeping in the in the basement in the adia. Least he's got a board or leaping in the crawlspace. Oh is zinger so he would go on to say that. At one point there were nearly twenty different house keys out to different employees of pd. M and i wanna know what you guys think of this. I think this is not true. I think this is him trying to so of doubt into. Maybe i wasn't the one that did all these horrifying thanks twenty. Different people keys to my house. You know any of them. Yeah i would agree with that. I it doesn't it doesn't even i don't know it doesn't make sense. Like why would he give twenty keys out to his house to your kids. He barely knew. That doesn't yeah. I don't think so right. So galaxies early life had all the hallmarks of a serial killer both mental and physical abuse sexual assaults as well as many other early signs that something wasn't right in the man's head unfortunately because of his high standing in society these warning signs were seemingly ignored. Casey would often hold block parties. He was always checked into the local politics and he grew a pretty rapidly growing construction business but no one really knew what was going on behind closed doors engages life and unfortunately that's where it gets real dark and that's where we get into where he kind of went from there. You know like we. We've talked about the fact that he did. A lot of kind of things ended up in ended up going to jail getting psychiatric evaluations for you. Know kind of lewd acts and things like that. But you know that kind of stuff as we've talked about this is a very. This is a very atypical. Case of something like this like these stories usually have like a progression right. So this stuff starts. He's obviously diagnosis. A sociopath this starts it gets worse and then it gets worse and then he just keeps taking steps down down the road. A little bit further and Unfortunately too. Because i'm not going to talk about every single one of them but if you didn't already know if the end it was confirmed that he killed thirty three people which is an unbelievable number and i believe twenty. Six of them were found in the house that we just discussed. That is crazy. And i don't know Before we get to far in Do you guys know what he said when he was asked why they weren't all in the crawlspace. Oh yeah yeah ran out of room that is. That's just frighteningly horrifying anyway. So much like a lot of things that we've already talked about much like a lot of the the events that we've already talked about his typical way of doing. This was to lure these kids to his house and he would you know try to even sometimes get two people at the same time so he he would double up a lotta times on these. Unfortunately they were typically lured with promises of a job and we talked about how he would offer five dollars when other people are getting two dollars an hour or he would offer drinking drugs money for sex like prostitution stuff so unfortunately this was all you know from the greyhound. Bus station bughouse square a bunch of areas in you know think places in the area that he that he frequented and we talked about. I kind of alluded to this earlier. But he didn't pretend to be a clown to lure victims which is what most people think of when they think of. Ac they think oh he probably played a clown to learn kids. He wasn't lowering in that young kid. What he actually did was. He drove around an oldsmobile with a spotlight on it and he would point the spotlight around and people would think he was a cop so they would get into the car thinking. Oh this policeman is asking me to come with him. That seems legitimate. And that's why they would do it so that it's kind of unfortunate but the you know what is remembered of him and what he actually did are very very different things. I didn't know about the spotlight. That's interesting. yeah about if you think about it. Nobody would get away with that today because you just call. If you had any suspicions whatsoever you grab your cell phone call the police and be like hey. This guy's trying book but back then that wasn't an option so this was pre. I feel like this is a relatively common thing. You come across for killers or rapists or anything like that is they. Were using this kind of tactic pulling people over and pretending to be police officers to kind of lower their guard down and then get control on so well because now i'm curious if you were fifteen years old and you're walking down the street cops got us you know and then you see the spotlight cop car pulls up. Whatever he was you know i. It's dark so maybe you don't really notice right away like i feel like at first. You're you're going to be scared right. So what would be. I don't know. I'm just. I guess i'm trying to put myself in the moment like if i would do that as a fifteen year old if i would get in the car because i assume that this person is telling me that they're a police officer. Obviously right now you know. of course. i'm going to do that. But i don't know i was dumb when i was a kid. So yeah i mean. I think back then you would have done that if if i think we all would have done that at fifteen years old a cop pulls you over or what you think is a cop. You're going to do what they say. And that's just how. We were raised to respect police officer so sure. Yeah i think it's Back then it was a common tactic. And i completely understand why it was a common tactic because it's probably worked really well and i feel like also even if he even if not all of the people that saw this car with the spotlight and all that stuff where he was pretending to be a policeman even if not all of them came back because of that at least disarms the person that he's trying to talk to before he talks to them about to know whatever he could offer them gray so i think that there might be a little bit of kind of both sides to that maybe but then it gets darker right. Of course it does like. You didn't expect that. We talked about the handcuff thing. Where you know the guy got out of the handcuffs and all that stuff. And i and i also kind of mentioned this a little bit earlier but part of what he would say. At least it was a it was kind of a part of his clowning routine. He would handcuff himself his own hands behind his back so he would when he got the when he'd get these people back to his house he would do this and then he would actually releasing self and then he would hand the handcuffs over to the person that he's talking to and say. Hey you go ahead and try it and then they would handcuff themselves and then they would try to get out and they couldn't and then they would ask him like what's the trick and he would say the trick. Is you have to have the key. Which is some dark stuff. Yup to say -solutely that is horrible like that is straight out of a horror movie right. Yeah definitely and and just the fact that it seemed like it happened a lot like possibly every single person was in these handcuffs at one point so it just seems to be fond of this. Yeah that's like something that. I think that i personally wouldn't do if somebody showed me magic trick but you know it's all it's all we're sitting here talking about it of course we're gonna we're not gonna do it now because we know what comes after the handcuffs but sure back then. This dude chose the imaginary here. I'll show you how to do it. Thrown real quick. I can't again see why this works. So effectively and he frequently followed that up by sitting on the victim's chest before forcing the victim to do other things that we won't necessarily discuss. But you know lots of lots of sex acts. We'll put it that way. So he would also burn them with cigars he would torture them he would make them a captive inmate and he would sit on them as a horse are sorry he would imitate a horse as he sat on their back and pulled upon a makeshift rain around their neck. I mean there's so many weird things this guy did. I mean when you think about the fact that there's thirty three victims here a lot of things this guy did and there's actually an entire like two paragraphs that i'm not even going to touch. If you wanna know more go read more. it's dark. It's real creepy. But instead of that. I'm just going to get into a couple of the victims that i think are noteworthy ones. That kind of tell the story a little bit here and the first one is timothy mccoy. So this is first known murder and it was on january third nineteen seventy-two according to casey's later account. It was following a family party on january second. He drove to the civic center and he was looking at ice sculptures and the early hours of the following morning and he lured this sixteen year old boy from the greyhound bus terminal to his car. He was travelling to omaha but gave took him back in took him on a sightseeing trip of chicago By all accounts. Casey was actually really good at like convincing people of things so i don't i don't like totally not understand how this worked but he actually then took him back to the station for. He said he would take them back to the station. Anyway to try and catch the bus but prior to mccoy's identification the only thing he was really known as was the greyhound. Bus boy Casey claimed he later Or he woke early the following morning to find mccoy standing in his bedroom door with a kitchen knife in his hand so then he jumped from the bed and mccoy raised both arms in a gesture of surrender tilting the knife and accidentally cutting gays forearm so. He twisted the knife from his wrist. Banged his head against the bedroom. Wall kicked him in Into his own wardrobe and walk towards him mccoy then kick ac the stomach doubling him over. Casey grabbed mccoy's shouting stuff. And i'll kill you and then. He wrestled mccoy to the ground and stabbed him. Repeatedly in the chest straddled him so he basically played it off as self defense or at least later right right. This was his first kill. This is where it gets really terrible because again if you've ever looked at any of these stories you know building upon building upon building upon building upon all of these bad things that eventually get to the point where they realize the thing that actually gives them the release they want. Unfortunately this caused this event and the death of mccoy caused gase to realize that the only true release was to kill and it was the ultimate thrill and then he. This is what began the next thirty two people. Unfortunately right now. There are some noteworthy murders throughout here. But i think it's also important to talk about the pd m company that he had We mentioned earlier. They were renovating pharmacies in the area and there was actually a pharmacy right up the road that they were renovating at a certain point as well so he he was doing this for quite a few places one of the things that he would have his employees do is go under his house and dig these crawlspaces. Now the crazy thing about this is these crawlspaces. Were being dug employees while there were bodies in them. So you know take that for what you will They were instructed to poor. I mean a ridiculous amount of lime into these crawlspaces and cover the odor like eight hundred. Pounds scored like an unbelievable amount. I think casey tried to play this off. If i remember correctly as saying that someone in construction business told him that that would be the way to deal with what mold knows clay the sour sour play pouring lime on it with sweeten the klay up. I don't know if that's even a thing. Sounds like it should be or it is but you know when you hear this guy talk you gotta take it with a grain of salt because he told so many lies over the year so and also when you're talking about eight hundred pounds of it. That doesn't seem like it's for that same purpose. It's not at all but the creepy factor here for me. Is that a lot of these boys. That work for pd. M that would dig. These crawlspaces were digging their own graves and they didn't even really realize it and you gotta wonder how many of them knew what they were doing because it's not like they didn't. It's not like they couldn't necessarily smell it or they didn't run into a shoe or something. It just seems odd that they never noticed. Yeah i don't know. I think maybe he seems gase seems like he is a salesman at heart. He's a good salesman so he's i don't know that they did not said i think that the he told them they were digging trenches for piping or whatever drainage pipes or whatever excuse he made up and these are fifteen year old kids. That probably don't know any better and the smell thing he probably played off as. Oh yeah there's you know sewage problem down there or it's the clay or whatever and again their fifteen year old kids they'd probably just going to believe what this guy's telling him but it is horrifying to think that these kids some of these kids potentially dug their own graves which is incredible or they know better than to bring it up also true true. Yeah like i said there are thirty. Three total murders here and i'm not going to go into every single one of them. I think that while for real quick. Before i covered this because i've one one major thing i want to talk about but real quick. I just want to interject when they got gase to talk about these murders finally and got him in a room discussing what he did. The cold calculated just very matter of fact way that he talked about everything he did as if it was like. It's a thing that happened near like almost as if it wasn't horrifying is absolutely chilling. And i will tell you if you go and read about this even if you just look at the wikipedia article and you look through the list of some of these people murdered what he said. He did to them because he said what he did not like. We have victims statements here like this. Is casey saying what he did right. Yeah if you think about it that way and you think about like the way. This guy's demeanor is if you look up a video of him. It is striking. Just how just how dark is when you start to hear it from that perspective. It's very upsetting right. And he told alex before he looks so normal. You know what i mean and we we could say that about a lot of serial killers for whatever reason. This guy is just so basic looking. You know what. I mean until you hear him talk. And that's where you get the darkness and the understanding of how could have done some of this stuff. I totally agree and That leads me to the last murder and the reason that i think that this one is really important. I wanted to do book ends. The reason is this is what kicked off the investigation. That finally caught gase and stop what he was doing and it was about time so on the afternoon of december. Eleventh nineteen seventy eight. So let's just paint that picture real quick. This all started in january. Nineteen seventy five. We are now in december nineteen seventy eight. That's a long time for someone to be able to do this. And have this many victims in a suburban neighborhood who was involved in politics and had his own company working out of the house where he was keeping the bodies. Yep literally right under everybody's noses he was doing this stuff unbelievable. So december eleventh nineteen seventy eight gase went to the nissan pharmacy which was in does planes. Which by the way. I always thought was plane but it's desperate. I thought it was the area. Yeah this is weird. 'cause 'cause the moines right desmoines as it sounds it looks like it. Looks like the moines. I'm gonna say desmoines as from now. That sounds really official. Desma as sounds like the name of like an eighties hair metal singer. Hey i'm as cricket killer. Yes anyway and so. He went to this pharmacy. What's that sorry. Say and they violinist but it's an electric violin and it's plugged into a. It's plugged into like a an eight stack. High is absolutely perfect. That'll be great sure. It won't blow anyone's eardrums. Don't hit that high note don't do it So he goes to the pharmacy to discuss a potential remodeling deal with the owner. Now while was within by the way this is the one that's like up the road from where he lives so while he's within earshot the there's a fifteen year old part time employer named robert pieced Gary mentioned his firm often hired boy. Teenage boys starting at five dollars. An hour almost double the pay that you know peace earned at the pharmacy. And you know we've talked about that before so And shortly after he left the pharmacy piece mother arrived to the store to drive her son home so that the family could celebrate her birthday together so it was actually his mom's birthday piece asked his mother to wait adding that a contractor wanted to talk to him about a job left the store at nine pm promising to return shortly. Unfortunately that never happened. Piece was murdered just after ten pm at casey's house casey let later stated that at his house. He asked piece whether there was anything he wouldn't do for the right price to which piece replied that. He did not mind working heart in response. Casey said good money could be earned by hustling. Although piece was dismissive. Gase than duped precent donning the handcuffs just like we talked about. And then he said. I'm going to rape you and you can't do anything about it. As peace began weeping this is told by gase reminder through this is coming from casey he also stated that he placed the rope around piece neck. The boy was cry was crying and scared. Gase admitted to having received a phone call from a business acquaintance as pieced lay dying suffocating on his bedroom floor. He took a phone call. Yeah this man took a phone call and he killed this. This boy within an hour of him leaving work tortured him and did all this to him and took a phone call. Yeah damyean that lists the dangerous human being that we're talking about right. Yeah it's it's. It's a little insane to think about in the the rope thing that that ryan is kind of talking about. I don't know if he's going to touch on it so i'm going to touch on. It was apparently something. He used pretty frequently same with the handcuffs and it was basically mic. Basically made like what i mean. What do you want like a turn akin to go around the neck so it was a rope with two knots on it that he put a stick in between that he would twist and it would either cause you to suffocate or guess just suffocate is the best way i guess because anything else but that but it's basically it that he could twist twist and twist so he twists. It leaves sky on the ground suffocating and goes and takes a phone call which is horrifying watching him describe that was him describing like killing a deer. Yeah totally normal. It was just. It was so i think that was one of the more eerie moments for me watching that because he just so plainly talks about killing like he's in being. Yeah nothing like. It's literally hunting game. Yep so it's just so odd so that leads into kind of the next piece here. Unfortunately obviously this young man did not return to his family so the they filed a missing persons report clearly as they would now. The owner of that pharmacy named gave as the contractor that peace had gone to meet with and of course they went to casey's house gase denied any involvement in this and But differing looking all this up. They also did a criminal background check of gase which uncovered the outstanding battery charge against him in chicago and uncovered the fact that he had served a prison sentence in iowa for what he did with that fifteen year old boy so they went and talked to him and still denied. Everything said he left the pharmacy. Shortly after eight which was around the time of his appointment and then said you know. I had nothing to do with it. And also he actually. They asked him to come down to the police station. He responded you guys are very rude. Don't you have any respect for the dead which is weird and Lot of very strange behavior here so all of this like this entire thing. This gase finally making a mistake in all the things he had done he had finally made a mistake. He had within earshot of other people discussed this with this boy who then went missing. Thirty three in. I guess he got lazy or people. Were just paying attention. this time. You know what i mean because it seems like if you read some of these cases seems like this should have been stopped at twelve or seven or you know far before he got to this point so it's either one of two things either like ryan said. He made a mistake or people. Were just paying attention this time. And were able to catch his catch. A hint of this guy absolately and I think that basically leaves us right into the investigation. So gays tipped his hand and now the police are actually really paying attention. So i think alex yes going to hand it over to you. Yes so a lot of people criticize this case because of the investigative process. So casey got away with a lot of stuff and there's two sides to it one side you can say that he was a connected individual. He had a lot of friends some in high places and throughout his political. If you want to call it his political career campaign whatever. He was able to make a lot of friends. But that's not the only argument here And i'm actually going to focus on the other side of it because a lot of what you hear is that he was able to kinda snuff out some of the stuff through those Through those vehicles of of information. Like i said so what i'm gonna talk about is the actual individuals that were a part of the investigation. So one thing that. I don't know if we really mentioned or focused on is the fact that the majority of the investigation especially in the early times So this in total went from Let's see what years were nineteen. Seventy to nine hundred seventy eight. Is that when this. The official investigation started yet. Not yet seventy seven would have been december of yet so it didn't start off with fbi cia like it was. It was the the workhorses. It was the police officers. Were doing these investigations and looking into these things and tracking him down and stuff like that and eventually fbi got involved but in the beginning. It was Majorly the the police force. So i actually found an article that i really really liked and one of the big things that they talk about. Sorry i'm like allergies. One of the big things that they talk about are the fact that these guys were. They weren't experienced enough with serial killers to know exactly what to look for. I mean i feel like that's something we could probably agree with. Yeah i mean it's it's a little town iowa so it's not like they're in la or new york or any of the bigger cities that are heavily trained in this stuff. And i mean at this time. The idea of a serial killer was like i mean the idea existed but it wasn't really a well established thing by this right absolutely absolutely so this this was something that was led primarily by the police force so that was one of the most difficult points for law enforcement with investigating serial killers in general. But in this case. john. Wayne casey is the fact that there are often prone to To believing the same things that you and i are so if people are saying the same misconceptions if people are saying he's this person because that's we said he looked so normal he's he's a relatively social person which is against the Mo so to speak of a serial killer right or earth's against that profile so Law enforcement can Gay wrapped up in that as well and it's what happened Basically they are they're able to Do their job but at the same time. They're you know these stereotypes that that we see can Can lead them into the wrong direction so this whole time. They're looking for somebody. That's really not the same profile as john wayne. Gase so between nineteen seventy to nineteen seventy eight Gase like we said he raped tortured and killed Thirty three young men and that was through the fbi that they eventually named that and the reason he was allowed to continue to do this was because the the police said they were looking for somebody else and they didn't have the means to identify a serial killer. Most of the time they were you know they didn't have the cameras and stuff like that that you're able to to kind of see exactly what's going on at all times. Obviously they didn't have Tracking and and things that because he's saying he's one place and and and not the other whatever so What did you. What did you guys think about about the investigation in terms of do you think that the police were. We're kind of being bought in a way. Well there is one thing that i think about with the the whole investigation and that is one thing like. I don't know how much you were going to get into this. So i apologize if i'm kind of blowing something for you but i really think it's important to talk about the way. They did surveillance on the sky. And that's kind of what i meant. Yeah with the with the surveillance cameras and so weird and like i mean if if if you dear listener don't know this already the surveillance that they did on casey after they started to kinda suspect him was a little weird They would follow him around. gave me being very manipulative person. New that they were following him. It wasn't like he. They were really good at hiding or anything eventually. They you know they were falling around to these different places. They eventually started following him into bars and into restaurants he would buy them drinks. They would buy him drinks like this. Is the most unprofessional surveillance that you can possibly think of and you know at a certain point. He's even inviting them in so that he can cook for them yet eventually turned into like a A a mutual friendship where. I think that gase was manipulating them. And that's kind of like. I was saying the beginning is is even so these officers. They were they went. They were entirely manipulated. The judicial system was manipulated at one point. So it's it was something that they're really got out of hand quickly and i think that another thing Was what wall. Let you finish not go ahead. All you're good. I mean i i agree with you. I think it started here. Like obviously we already know and If you followed any of this you've kind of already figured it out. Casey's very manipulative. This is just something that he does. He begins to manipulate these officers. That are surveilling him. He eventually you know way down. The line manipulates his own lawyers manipulates prosecutors manipulates Like you said judges. I mean everybody. There's nobody he stops with. And you know there are different ways that he goes about doing this in they all are in service of either making himself look less guilty or making or giving himself an easier way out of the situation that he's brought himself into and chad mentioned this earlier hill. Admit to something retracted in this is just. It's a constant back and forth with this guy and you know you never know what if what he's saying is true except for the things that you can verify with actual evidence right so it's just it's a difficult situation to be in. I think so. I want to touch on the police thing real quick because i think that it could maybe go a different way than what you guys are going. I do believe that he was manipulative. Not denying that fact at all however for surveillance in the seventies these guys are probably sitting out of his house sitting outside a restaurants not getting anything whatsoever. There's no better way to get the know. The guy that they're chasing than to sit at his kitchen table and eat dinner with them so while you know what i mean so while we might think that he was being they were. He was manipulating the police officers. This might have been legitimate strategy to get more information on this guy. And i don't know Can we can we mention real quick. Like how he was. Finally like caught is real quick because this whole strategy that casey. He tried to play here where he was buddy buddy with the cops and trying to like you know pal up surveillance people in by him drinks. Yeah that backfired He invites these guys in and they're sitting there sitting in his kitchen. One of them goes to the restroom. The he kicks on he smells something. And guess what. I mean like couldn't have possibly gone worse right in that exact moment and casey did it to himself. He was these guys and look what happened was almost like he. I mean he almost got cocky with that and that seems to be. Yeah that seems to be a frequent thing that every serial killer that we talk about they eventually get really cocky because whether zodiac taunting the police or they there's always some point that they get cocky and that's usually what liens leads to their downfall but it seems to be only zodiac. Did have a downfall. You're truly he had gotten a true so another. Another thing. That i want to touch on is what really happened with the media during this investigation. a lot of in. There's really it's kind of a what is what is called the the talking heads syndrome. Basically is you get. The media will focus on whoever is essentially talking the loudest despite their true credibility and it can be a amount of credibility that they're giving themselves loose and then the media that up so it's this The situation where let's say you know there's somebody that says In this in they may be but then they're going to lead The pr stunt of saying john wayne gay see is this criteria and this we need to be looking for and then the media writes down and they say okay this is who were looking for now and then that is the story. So that's exactly what happened. So from that point they immediately are looking for the serial killer profile which is essentially that serial killers are all dysfunctional owners. Serial killers are all white males motivated by sax that serial killer murderers or serial murderers travel and operate via interstate. But they can't stop killing that they're insane or evil genius and that eventually they want to get caught and that's through the department of justice. And i just wanted to real quick like just interject something like i think that a large problem with with y you know like you said the talking head thing. Why that such an issue is that you know all these organizations are like you know in the service of trying to get the story out i. They're not taking the time to vet the source and they're saying okay. This is good news was going gonna put it out you know. And it's a lot of people not fact checking and then when you don't fact check you end up with this stuff and even at a certain point just to just really like hammer home that point for you. I think that this is a really important thing at a certain point. One of the think. I can't remember if it was a psychologist or not. But they went into interview gracie and they sat down. They said we want to talk to you and gay. He responded with well. Who do you wanna talk to businessmen the effort he said like addicts so the next day in the news they were reporting that he had multiple personality disorder cat. That's not the case at all. He was just saying. Do you wanna talk to the professional guide. You want to talk to the family guy or do you want to talk to the clown. That's what he was saying right and he was just making an off comment and weird like that. That should never have hit the news the next day first of all sure and also just not accurate. It wasn't a psychological evaluation. It was just him being saying. Yeah but i mean. News is not about accuracy. Ever so you nailed it. It's about getting the word out. I so especially back then so yes all. Despite despite the lack of resources that the police force had especially in the seventies In summary they did a relatively decent job. What they could have done better is they could have had Be immediate organization that would have been required in a and now is a is a whole new process. There's whole new policies and procedures. That go into it now that they didn't have them but to get the fbi in right away and that's the thing is is like local police forces when they get something like this. No they're not used to it. You don't get a serial killer every day but with the one thing they wanna do. Is they want to investigate murders. So they're not you're not they're not going to call another jurisdiction to come in and run the show but that's what needs to be done because those resources in those In in that level of expertise is what's required in order to have an efficient investigation conducted. Yeah but it's hard to you know they want their bragging rights and they don't want it to seem like they're incompetent. They need the assistance of of somebody else. And i and i get that however it doesn't need to end because we we're trying to catch terrible people here shouldn't be about bragging and and you know being the big big name in the newspaper should be about catching the people and giving closure to the victims families absoulutely and i mean i think it's it's just it tells the tale of of of somebody doing their job. It's it's it's You break away from the emotional aspect of it which is a good thing but it can also be a bad thing. It disconnects you from what. What the real End result should be made. Which is what you said. Giving families closure being able to serve justice to the appropriate people and An in like. I said making the job as efficient as it is. It can be but Yeah the you know a lot of people. There's a lot of things that went wrong with it but there's also a lot of things though it right through those manipulative efforts of galaxy they were able to gain really unprecedented access to to him at all because in one other situation without getting a warrant which they eventually did but without initially getting a warrant and forcing yourself in will you be able to sit down and have dinner with the guy that you're investigating. Yeah like i said it could sound like that. They were being manipulative but it might have been one hundred percent their plan. They're not getting anything sitting in the car out in the cold. So let's you know whatever man let's let this guy by drink and talk a little bit slips up right so the Yeah i mean that's all. I got for the investigation. Really in summary like i said it's just. They did the best they could and they didn't do. They did a good job. They obviously caught the guy But but despite the fact that there's tons of controversy around the way that it went and the case it's like it's hard. It's hard to say because we weren't there. Yeah so so. So go ahead ryan just gonna say this this all comes to a head where you know they start to pull out all the bodies. They tear down the house. There's even news footage showing the the crawlspace as they've torn down like all the foundation and showing all the orange markings were. They found bodies. And it's all very distressing to watch what i found interesting here. Was you know we mentioned earlier. He started throwing bodies in the river and You know it just so happened. That piece spotty was in the river as well. And you know we said earlier to. They started this investigation. The dead of winter right in the middle of december so the river was frozen over. Which means that you know pulling this body out was highly unlikely. I found it kind of interesting. At least that you know during the trial during you know trying to get all these bodies out and trying to by the way a lot of these children did not have. They weren't named even during the trial right while while. Ac sitting there facing thirty three murders the some of these people. They didn't even know who they were. And they're still trying to find robert piece body and eventually they were able to do so and in just the the like. I mean you've got a. There's a little bit of poetic justice here. I guess the last body found is the one that really sealed it for him. And i thought that was kind of interesting but But yeah it's just it's a very is a really dark story and we mentioned earlier the manipulation and you know one thing that did happen He convinced a lot of people that he was insane. And they went for it insane insanity plea and then he you know he they even found you know highlights of in books that were owned by gase about insanity you know defense and You know it's just manipulation. All the way down he wasn't he wasn't insane. He is very sick individual. That did very horrible thing right. It was just his way of prepping himself for one he got caught. You know what i mean. He's doing his research on the insanity. Plea and i think that it was kind of interesting when you hear about. I think the cops like went down into that crawlspace prior like weeks prior to finding bodies down there and and and figuring that there is nothing down there. Because there's no mounds of dirt or anything. And then casey gets arrested confesses to to everything and even draws out a map of where all the bodies are down in their k. And it's pretty accurate. I mean almost spot on with where they found the bodies at but then he later claims that he only murdered one person is that first guy that he claimed self defense against that we talked about and he never you know he couldn't get down there to. I don't know. I find it weird that this guy potentially didn't have any accomplices but the reason for that is maybe because of lies that he's telling so he tells that he sends these teens down there to dig the hole because he can't get down in there to do it because he's got a bad back or whatever the excuse was but then he got bodies down in there and moved the bodies down through there. So i don't know like at first. I was like it's just one sick. Do doing all this but the more you think about it. I feel like the two kids that they thought could potentially have known what was going on in potentially buried some of those bodies. I think eileen a little bit more towards that being true just from the fact that that's a lot of work for one due to do you know what i mean. One out of shape dude in the opening to the crawlspace was not very big. The pictures they're small so and he's not a small guy isn't a hundred and twenty pound dude. We're talking about so they should try to fit in there. Yeah right yeah. That's like penn. But but i was just gonna say i was just gonna say it doesn't fit you must acquit. So it's a shame wasn't wasn't the what. What was that lawyers name that default johnny johnny. Johnny cochran yeah and You know to even to even also point out a little bit more manipulation here. He drew this map and then said someone else drew it definitely also like that. It was an yeah jack something else. It's all way ban. it's all a play. He's he's he's trying to find his defense. And i don't buy any of the multiple personality things i don't buy majority of the stuff that he says because he's lied so many times before you know he confesses to all the murders draws detailed diagrams and then later says dial. I don't killed one person and must have been one of the guys that had a key to my house. That did all of this. And they're just putting it on me because they found the bodies in my house. But i do wanna pull that pen out that we put in earlier. Which were the wallets and identification of random guys that his second wife had found. Do you think that his kill count is significantly higher than what it actually is reported to be those wallets victims that he kept as memorabilia. Wanna say i could easily believe either side of this but i could see the argument that you know. Maybe he kept the wallets of people that he You know like did things with and maybe that's what happened. And it wasn't until the death of mccoy that he realized that death was a thing that he liked. But i could also see you know that. His kill counts more like sixty. You're seventy and that those were victims but you know nobody ever found him either. They even looked at like the apartment building that his mom stayed at a at a certain point they never found anything. So i mean it's been a while i don't know it could be either way honestly on that one. Yeah i think that he said in an interview somebody asked him if if the thirty three were the only ones and he said i think forty five would be a good number which he later recanted obviously like he does everything else but i i gotta think that there's more out there man you know there's just it just seems like it to me that that he was doing this far before that i kill that he allegedly did in self defense well not only that but when he was younger to writing much younger like you know just Entering his adulthood like there were a lot of opportunities where he was around children. I mean when he was clowning. I'm sure when he first started. What was his true reasoning for wanting to get into that right. Yeah that's true. It's it's a little out of the demographic age wise the boys that he would be dealing with that but but but it wouldn't shock me. If five years down the road. We find out that he had you know younger victims to sure. I think then that brings us to sorry. Go now go for. I was gonna say that brings us to nineteen eighty when he's convicted and they schedule the execution. Which didn't happen until nineteen ninety four and i just thought that this was worth talking about real quick He had his final last meal which was a bucket of kfc a dozen fried shrimp french fries. Fr- fresh strawberries and a diet coke. All right Anyway so then. I thought this was interesting. So before the execution began the chemicals used to affect the to actually do the execution They solidified unexpectedly so they clogged the iv tube. That was used to administer the chemicals to casey which complicated everything so blinds covering the windows through that the witnesses were watching through they were dropped and the execution team replaced the clogged tube. After ten minutes the blinds were reopened. The execution resumed in the entire procedure took eighteen minutes which they blamed on the jail. Staff not really knowing how to do things so What a crazy end. yeah. I think i think. They said that he effectively suffocated that. The medication somehow didn't work the way it was supposed to. And i think this might be me be dark but i think it's a fitting ending to the story personally and i'm sure all the parents of those kids probably feel the same exact way. Yeah there were interviews with With some of the parents that went to actually to actually watch and yeah you're not so here's something interesting. John wayne gase is on the top twenty list of most bizarre last meal requests on death. Row he's number seventeen doesn't surprise me what's number one. I wanna know number one. Yeah let's go for it all right so number. One is james. Edward smith in one thousand nine hundred ninety when he got his final mira quest all she wanted was a pile of dirt. That was so desert. That was so disappointing. He ate a pile of dirt. So you okay yeah ok. Here's number to rob. This is totally new episode. Now robert dale conklin. His death sentence in two thousand and five was he wanted a filet mignon wrapped in bacon. Deep-vein shrimp sauteed in garlic butter with lemon baked potato with sour cream chives and real bacon. Bits not from the bag. Corn on the cob asparagus with hollandaise sauce french bread with butter goat cheese cantaloupe vanilla. Bean ice cream and an ice tea. My goodness that's a high end. Final requests there man. That was a couple hundred bucks. Probably so i go ahead and i have a question. The article says unfortunately his sophisticated taste did not match the nature of his crimes as he killed his gay lover with a screwdriver to the ear. Oh my ro already anyway honestly as you were reading that meal. I was like that sounds good ads on really good blame them. So is the the final meal thing is that like just anything they requests they get for the most part. Yeah i think I think unless something. They'd definitely can't get for him. But i pretty sure yeah interesting interesting. Yeah i would imagine. It's really anything you want. I mean it is. It is going to be your last meal. I don't know i kinda like. That's such a weird tradition to me. Because it is. But i i mean i guess i get it like i guess they're about to take your life so guy meal we'll let you eat some bacon wrapped flay deviant shrimp and garlic butter. So all right thank. We've reached the end. I think all right i would. Hey ryan you want. You want to give one of them. Fancy social shoutouts to our lovely watchers sure and listeners. Yeah well if you enjoyed this podcast let me tell you you will also enjoy other things stuff now. Just getting That strange dot net. That's where you can find everything that has anything to do with us and Links to all of our social media in our blog that you know. I i just wanna say that chad takes a lovely amount of time perfectly. Crafting cooking just to perfection. Getting just a little bit of pink throughout pad that that juic- filet mignon. That i now want. I know i know right. It sounds i really wanna play mignon and wrapped in bacon. Doesn't sound terrible. Yes i'll go with that But yeah no please head on over there Make sure to follow. And subscribe. Or i guess now. Follow our podcast in apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts and we would really appreciate it and also just because i like to say this every now and then you have an idea for some real crazy weird thing that you think. Those boys over at that strange would enjoy reading about this. We probably would so send it to contact at that. Strange dot net and then we will put it in the pile of topics and you dear. Listener may be thanked for that topic at a later. Date when we record we'd really appreciate it so thank you. Yes yes. Thank you very much and once again. Thank you to a panic fast. Everyone at downright creepy It's a awesome community and they also have a facebook group It's i believe. It's on facebook so facebook group. You think that the facebook group is on facebook. I think you're right. That's a good. I think it's on facebook Some not twitter no right. I don't think they have like pinterest or anything. They should really. They should really get with the times. But i mean they should really get a my space at this point i mean why don't they have tiktok. They should probably have ticked really what everybody should have a tiktok. What happened square. Four square stopped. When everyone realized that location tracking is creepy foursquare was like a website. Bill was a thing where you know a foursquare was the thing where you like in places that you were visiting so that you always been mayor of that area. Just keep track of all the places that was such a great speaking of manipulation. That was such a great way to say. Hey no no forget about the fact that we're tracking this data's for ya. We're we're not stealing your data. We press the elegant way of putting it. Hey you could be error rival of your local dairy queen. The how cool is this removes. Herd's stove at you have to pay for full price among. Oh absolutely absolutely if you guys ever heard of earth two point oh yes no okay so get the is this like second life. No no no. It's more like virtual real estate so earth two point. Oh oh it's nfc's i know it and have no okay. It is what's empty natural future phenomenon. Yes it's a crypto currency thing where you can sell pictures of stuff it's weird. It's really weird but it's pretty It's funny my cousin was just telling me about this at easter. It's so funny that you're you're talking about this right now. Basically allows you to like make authentic internet and make it like the first official copy by putting one of these coins on it or something like that. It's really bizarre. It's it's it's a currency. Dorsey sold his original. Like i tweet on twitter as an nf t and someone paid like eight thousand dollars. Yup eighty eight thousand in bitcoin. I think that's the craziest thing i've ever heard. It's real weird. It's real weird things with chris. Here's the second craziest thing. Earth two point oh is a virtual completely like accurate model of the earth. So it's basically they through google maps on some sort of platform where you can buy plots of land. Virtually for when they claim that the that humanity will be completely vr so the market when this thing launched was so low that people were like yeah. Sure why not. I'll buy my land for thirteen cents on the dollar or something like that and people actually started making so much money after it went viral that they were selling their land and making real money from selling this so square on google maps so it allows you to own a piece of property in a game. You're saying vr scenario. So what you're saying. No it's not even a platform yet. They're saying that when when it becomes when it becomes a thing you'll already have property owned interesting. Very bizarre and ryan just sent it to the group so we can always count on ryan. It's true. he's very quick with really good at google. Yes he's such a google i've been looking at. The prices of some of the stuff is very interesting. It's weird oh yeah and if you're thinking about it don't do it because you like it's weird though it's absolutely weird strange even speaking strange. We're that strange way. Do the rest. Yeah you did that wrong okay anyway. More right than you've ever done it could. It could have been the most rightist thing i've ever done. It could've been could've have been the best attempt at a good thing that you've ever attempted to be good at. I would say it was great. And i would say it was subpar. So if you're able to able to tolerate this subpart attempt at making a podcast again. Look us up. i'm alex. 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UnBoxing "God" with Cassidy and McCall - Teaser 2.0

UnBoxing “God”

03:31 min | 6 months ago

UnBoxing "God" with Cassidy and McCall - Teaser 2.0

"Hello, I'm mikaal. I'm Cassidy. We're both in twelve-step program that ask us to give our lives and wills over to the care of God as we understand him God as we understand him. Yeah, we don't wage understand him. I mean our understanding is served to shove all higher Powers into a constructed box, or maybe it actually box us and living life leaves scars. Some of us are left wounded by the alcoholism of our loved ones which can leave us feeling unsafe around those people who should be our closest friends companions even protectors. Some of us feel injured by religious upbringings organized religion has left many of us feeling emotionally, even spiritually traumatized and some of us feel both. We've been hurt by the drinking of a friend birth. Friend spouse or child? We've tried God tried Church tried faith and none of it made much sense. So how do we find recovery through the twelve steps when we stumble across starting line. God is so often handed to us and a pre-packaged gift that must be accepted as presented. No questions asked no doubts entertained known coloring outside of the lines, but what if we open that box them together instead of debating who God is let's explore who God could be bought through theology history philosophy science myths psychology New Age mystical woo stuff social justice gender Theory sex drugs and rock and roll along with our own personal experiences. And those of a bevy of guests friends and celebrities to discover spiritual realities that are true. Many of us in this podcast we explore ways that people relate to the Divine when it doesn't feel invited. How do we sense God? What do we call God you praise God. What do we worship God do we even need God. Have you ever seen God on psychedelics found God through meditation. Let's drop our preconceived notions of God and explore out-of-the-box concepts of a higher power in order to more deeply connect with the Divine with others and with ourselves. Let's try and discover so many Universal truths perennial wisdom and how we might apply them to live healthier happier or at least more content and better lives. So join me off McCall and me Cassidy as we attempt to unbox a new topic every week, you know, maybe if we stopped boxing God we could find a home. New Journey of spiritual growth and healing that awaits us after all my favorite twelve words from the Al-Anon suggested closing our if you try to keep an open mind, you will find helpful and really isn't that what we're all looking for. I know I am. hahahaha

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The A-Side Live Chat w/ Ben Rothwell

The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani

1:03:23 hr | 1 year ago

The A-Side Live Chat w/ Ben Rothwell

"You're listening to medium long as we are live here on another episode of the Eighth Side. Live chat is of course Friday. I believe it's May yes made I so I may join me. This Friday is Half Aka Lee of finding our cameraman and producer. Casey Liden joining us. This week we've had many USC al Anon UFC fighters the show in recent weeks. We've been trying to do this three times a week during quarantine time but we haven't had a fighter on a long time that actually has a fight scheduled Since this start so the man of the hours of course you've seen heavyweight contender Ben. Rothwell Ben Voyage into the fan questions. I I have to ask how his live band in quarantine for you up in the Great State of Wisconsin? Ride just because my gym down and just seeing all the people that have been affected by it for me personally. It's not been so bad. A neo to chemo writable in the cortines started side chain Donovan after two weeks and my training has been pretty good. I have a personal gym. That's in my my trainers and everybody's been able to come to me and I've been able to use the gym you know there's a lesson ton of selectmen somewhat normal but outside of that the deceased grocery stores in public in is pretty crazy on this. This is something that's never happened in our history open. Hope you get the economy back soon. It's Kinda scary. You do have a fight lined up. Has it been like like you've mentioned that you're fighting? Your Life yourself has been fairly normal urine camping yards. You are able to train but with everything. You're witnessing going on. Outside of fighting you brought up the grocery stores the real world is going through a pandemic on 'em May People may turn to for what? What's The word on a distraction but there nonetheless thing going on in the world? Has it been difficult yourself to focus on a fight camp during this pandemic? The hardest part is supposed to one guy three teens. You know in the middle of March pretty much I. I knew ahead of time that all Allante was from New York and I called my manager and everybody in like I don't think this guy he's going to fight on neuronal just just stay right east Iraqi Keno. He couldn't fight Benchley said. There's no way a New York's like Sadhana can't train wasn't mad. I was just like you know you're gonNA find somebody. Then you see cancelled all the events. is allow limbaugh in there. But my manager still like gotta stay ready. They're they're going to try new SHOREHAM. Mike how are you going to do a show in this I gotTA call it. They're GONNA do something in. May and I was matched up against Marie screen. I was just like whatever you know to. Fight WASN'T EXCITING. But you know it's a fight and now use cool. Diaz you still going to try and do show so. I was trying to stay focused so luckily I kept training but that felt that fight fell through an all done just a what a week ago matched up with. Let's be leased. I gotTA fight. I think it's a bigger fight than the other two but it's been a roller coaster ride fighting not fighting three different opponents. Where am I fighting? That was the biggest thing is where the school Aben. How weird is it when you got the SP call? Because you got the. You must be like wait a minute. This guy isn't even in my division. Well how did this name? So what was your reaction when you saw? There was a light heavyweight. That was coming up to accept a fight with you. I had already went through. That first. Appointment from Volonte already went through all his emotions. These guys are moving heavyweight. They think the heavyweight socks or John Jones beat him running. I kind of got over it. I see that guys like Daniel Gourmet and go farther. Back Randy couture. I think they really opened the door for guys in that weight. Class that weight area to fight wherever you know up and down why you think that is you said that you said that these guys think that the heavyweights suck Why do you think that is? What do you think that That these are kind of coming up and thinking that I don't know if some of you guys are GonNa be easy pickings. What white. Let's deal that technically from what I can see. It's what Dan would Why Curtis Blades Since I feel like it's wrestling garage. Jujitsu thing I feel like a lot of heavyweights. It's the old old rule of first heavyweight to get a takedown wins the fight. That's that was the old same. Nearly two thousand. I don't know much has changed. I mean you got you got your guys that okay but I think for the most part. It's a speeds expert. I feel like the guys to twenty to thirty. Feel like they have an advantage they can go up or down and they feel like liberated contorted earning. He was really able to get mistake. Donald where guys down to beat the bigger guy and I think Some of that stands true. But it's got guys you have to be careful that had of course there's always the power factor. I think all heavyweights don aboard. Bring Danger Factor. That doesn't exist in any other way class do you think? Do you think someone like John Jones. Like he keeps people coming. Do you think you'll have a lot of he himself? Said he's worried about the stuff so he I don't think he's overlooking the division but when you see someone like him do you think a skill set and immediately translates and that. He could be favored fighter up at heavyweight. I think wherever John Jones Flights John Jones he's GonNa he's GonNa bring a level. You're gonNA bring a also said very a lot of hype you know what I mean. The guy has skills that can win anywhere. I feel like guy like Tony Ferguson. Habib feel like these guys could win. They could be bigger than them. I feel like this kind of exist. Every word Fade always shown. The years doesn't matter your size for bad ass. You'RE GONNA win a fight. You know if somebody pushes your wife down in front of you or you're GONNA go. Oh what's your weight. Class A couple. You're ready no. That's a real fighter does go win wherever against whoever it is. I think even looking back on your career. I believe you have fights against Chris Astro since key Brennan You brought up. Allante like use specifically. Why don't you think they match you up with these light heavyweights that WANNA come up or even heavyweights that eventually? Go Back Down in the past it. Just I'm not sure just happened circumstances at. I think that's kind of what it is now this right now especially there had to find fighters in eight states so that cut cut it down. They had a list of six heavyweights. We talked to five of them. They're injured more than you will dynamic time to get ready whatever it was. Marie took the fight than Maurice Below. So I think it really just came down to always be said even had an idea it was like if you WANNA fight. This is the fight and he All I think him invalidating a weight cutting this year more than anything. I think they're looking at. I just WANNA fight I can. I can fight wherever I don't ask cut the way. That's the biggest factor yet but we head Sara Cap Kaufman. A few shows ago when she was saying she hopes everyone fights higher up considering. When you cut wait. You're more susceptible to bacteria catching a virus or anything like that. So I think you're you're right on the money with that But of course this is not our show. This is the fans. So I'm sure they have a million questions for Ben I don't know why this popped in my head but you and I have felt by mistake cry for a lot of fights and just coincidentally there was a long thread of of fans memories from the NFL so before we get into the fan. I WanNa ask you specifically because I have fond memories of watching the. Nfl what were some of your fondest memories from competing in that organization. Fifteen second knockout. Of's I was hoping you hope he would say that. I was actually going to post the video I taught conor McGregor how to beat although experience. That was a ticket into anime. But that got me back into it. after a while. I love that promotion so much actually even more happy to speak to you this episode but Casey our producer and ask were you involved with the NFL rap. I can't remember I can't remember video exactly but I'm sure you've seen the involve with that. Did you wish you were fed view so bad very thankful and not be part of? Oh no I forgot about that. Oh my Gosh but Casey do we have the man the man behind him seems we have any questions for Mr Bedrock Wa. Yes so we can go to youtube question. We've got right now from an Jackson. Ben Are you going to hit the Gogo joke in your next fight? Yes you famous for the Governor Chuck. I believe you caught Josh Barnett and managed with that choke so as talk about the chicken is how it's set up and everything in to answer Jackson's question are you going to hit in your next life. It's all about opportunity man in all. It's what presented itself it. You don't force a knockout. It happens chocolate sided best when he tried to force a knockout. It never happened so when it comes to you. You take it a submission games the same way. I don't force anything. I take what I'm giving. That's usually when I'm fighting my best case. Have you ever practiced the Gogo? Chill yourself in can't or while you're training. Alright Ryan these match right here. No no I'm I'm I'm way to novice for such an advanced move. I remember. We actually interviewed you. Make those after your Barnett win. I think we try to ask you the same question. You're like no no no secrets. So their secrets. But I think you you through I think I think you might put it on the area of for maybe like half a second just a just a Kinda. Give him a just a taste of these detailed explanation. How I do Guillotine. Let's go. Let's keep thinking that. Have you seen anyone else? Used this user signature choke since you've since you started to implement in the acting like an opposing fighter that maybe you're watching a fight and he had an opportunity or if he actually hit it the right way. I see lots of opportunities now. Nobody knows Louis. Louis Louis came up with Hickson gracie asked Lewis. What is pretty pretty awesome? Wow So we had the mon- Flute Show in the goal. Though joke phasing out in the battle they jaren Jackson for your question. I was hoping so about that joke. Actually I want to ask about the von Flue joke Do Ben what makes it so successful in Him. Landing that so often is it. Just the is opponent just not paying attention. Orange his body shape. Or what do you think it is a big guy to have a shoulder point into your role. So we've had we've had the choke you've been working on it It he gives people a committed. They don't know any better. And they try to go for Guillotine or they put their arm around the back of his head and if he locks it up he says there isn't a way out to show him a lot in the fight afterwards. It's brutal if you don't want all you're doing that it's GonNa it's GonNa end you. Heat a Guy. He gets up on his toes and he puts shoulder in your throat. And if you don't know what you're doing which if you look at his last four guys. He caught in it. Era amny clue. He had glover exterior in it. Pretty deep too but glover got his arm out reversed. It nab winning that fight even glover for a second. You could see like a look of surprise like how did I get? Why am I here? How did I get salts good added? He's he's good. I see a sign. Ups babbling something awful. Okay all right question in the It would go from. Jones eats Corman. Only Benjamin. I'm looking. I'm crossing office. That's a no no no no. That's a certificate says bent so I got my name. Slough anywhere forgive you. Hello Ben twin animate fighter to always WanNa play but never got the chance. Won't boy Right now right now at St Bay. Suppose John got injured then happens a huge fight. A great fight done He's he's Kinda higher-ranked rank now so it's going to take some work for me to get there or that's the plan that was supposed to be on the Dublin card mistaken survey. That would have been a lot of people. Say like fate or go to answer. I think for a lot of heavyweights Any of those guys come to mind Bam and you think about fantasy fights that that could happen sure and all head. I BEAT ANDREA LOSS. Key in affliction. I was GONNA get a fight to fight him. So that's my fault I blew. It blew me and I choked against Andrei two times. Were you at that fight? Casey I was I was That the The Honda Center that was when Batur fought Tim. Sylvia yes sir. I was that debt. So you already kind of sizing him up. I mean most. I know you're veteran. You probably try not to look ahead of your opponent. But was there that party? That was like because you said you knew if you'd be lucky. Was there a little bit of in your in your head thinking like Oh what if what happens and how that was fate or yeah. I was part of the plan. Always is looking at the top guys that you've got imagine you're fighting. Get chumps sulfate. Ours always is the like measurements stuck. You know with the fight fate or are you going to beat them. So you're always trying to figure that out and it was gonna be well rounded in all an obvious one of our weaknesses. Bigger guys are able to pass as guard gave him a lot of problems. So I would add Ben well-rounded my phone Do you do you put fatal at the top of the list of grant heavyweights over a lot of people kinda put steeping Cain Addendum Cormon in that conversation but for a lot for pretty much a decade feed or is above. Cain for sure. Let's just gone on the guy that's always pissed me off that you give them so much hype he fought. Bigfoot sill law. He fought June. Junior decide. Does fought bigfoot Selma in a period of what it's like five years is something Retarded and he was a greatest. Heavy leader just blows my mind like what are you talking about St Beta? His credits defended the belt more than anybody. That's all the guys up there. He's definitely earns dues steep as on his way. I think honestly keeps going up there theodore but the failure. You have to live in that timeframe to understand that theodore was these man you know what I mean. That was for that period of time. Destroy mcgarrell was the pride champion. You know what I mean. He was backed. On the pride fighters were the bus speech in Fade. Arkin there and smash them smashed. Everybody in went undefeated for a long long time. So for for the Mon- OF YEARS AT FEED or hell everybody off in the champ. Undisputed you know he's he's always he should. Yeah definitely one of all times right now. Let's say between or on steep a where do you put? Where do you saw Daniel Cormet into that conversation? I know he's had a lot of success light-heavyweight too but he does have that. Knockout went overseas when he's up number number three. It's a battle between the steep bay. His third fight happens because they both got went on each other soul. Daniel Dan on thanks to. He's up there in a fair objective. Answer because because you fought cane so I would. I would have thought this was your opportunity like I shared. This is the guy shared the cage with this guy is the best I don't think any blame to you. If you had said that. I know some fighters again like you know like to. Let's say they've bought the best kind of not worry too much. What guys that? They didn't have the chance to fight. But you kind of You really you give a real answer there. You're welcome. Thank you for Joan. The question Jones and it's been not Benjamin just reminded as a warning warning guys says Benjamin from your. We'RE GONNA change your type. Your Graphic de here. We go question from Youtube comments from Maria. Grown in after what were you the happiest and why interesting question knocking all children's game fifteen seconds. No I'm just one of my interviews recently. I think before. I said I don't get happy. You're very much. I do like knocking people. It does make so sorry at what point in the process. Kind of talk this question or are you happy. Is it during that I would be doing training during weight cutting But I mean if you use when you knock people out but like what else in the fight itself. Do you consider yourself to be happy after the jobs. Don't I'M GETTING MY HENRY'S? That's the moment at all the blood sweat tears that no nothing. I mean I like a branch But that was an awesome Nakal because it was such a critical time for me as a really really bad spot. Cobsy getting any get caught if I lost again and not only. Was it a needed win? But man did the memes that came out after all areas. I don't think he can tweet anything with that. Without that gift popping up on his in his mentions he could be doing a standup in ally. So and so and like one of the top mentions is always the gift of you. Knocking him out. It's up there with with whenever rockall tweet something. It's always a battle between fans in the comments section. So you're in that that that rare group where nomad their opponent. Even though you five years ago will be tied to them forever. And that's what makes me like him even more because he has all reason to be hateful and he's always super cool to me is always very respectful and I got you look what he's he's I feel like he's being successful outside of fighting so props to him doing a great job but that was a good one. Thank you for the question Maria ground. Who would be like all? Could you not talk about Al Star Ovary NOCCO but I got got moments man I got? So what were your so if you had. It's no one's ever watched if no one's ever watched Ben Rothwell fight and you need to give them three flights to really show them everything like to define your career what three performances are fights in. General would you show? All-star overeen Josh Burnett or a to just those two children with mixed martial artists. I submitted the Best Semester. Smashing artists knocked out a knockout artist. One of the two still the only fighter ever to submit Josh Barnett which is pretty crazy. but the fact when. I re tweeted this there was a question I Nagoya. Hey you said we've seen nothing yet. We've seen it yet so I I said that after I submitted Matt Me Trae Own. I follow that up with submitting Josh Barnett. Which no one had ever seen before. So there. You go buddy answers in that submission over Josh WanNa. Didn't he just come? He had that big win at metamorphosis. If I'm not mistaken so. He was like declaring himself but metamorphose heavyweight champion of the world. Then right away turn around got submitted by you. Did he ever declare you the memoirs heavyweight champion of the World? No but it was Dean Lister. I think to a big win but joshes. I've always been super respectful as it was a tough fight for me because it was like fighting like an older brawler off but once caged are shots you know is get it done. Did you enjoy a string together or just because you guys have been in the minute game so long? Listen the game so long. Yeah Sylvia trained with them. Tim Sylvia Ashley said before we hadn't seen each other a couple years with tim was like all benzion trouble. Like you. That fucking wild so good f you to him to build the mate. Joshua they win trained and apparently Josh submitted like fifteen times in like ten minutes so US pretty scared of him love for the maniac. Good Times. Mike said something. Mike Sue all of which result train. Together you meet some comments online. I'm not even a part of it in Tim jumps out and starts talking to me. I'm like what the Fuck Dude and saying. Oh you fall. Oh well this this is your chance to fire. We had you want because should be able to defend yourself. Is that someone you wanted to fight? Ever when he was still fighting day. When you home when you find him like two billion three round fight in two thousand and one I fought in get this one. I fought him in the quad cities where he was training at the local nightclub that he went to and the three judges or his training partners. Back it was it was. It was Benn's fifth career fight in Davenport. Iowa is two thousand and one so. Don't blame if you missed that. One on the on the tap policy she case three so far down to see that one that was. Oh my goodness things recorded while back. Then that was my east pro fight and they don't actually got a few more wins. They don't know about really troops. How many of your fights do you remember if you remember your your Amateur Fight Against Mike Hall? I remember every single flight. It is allow. I'm going to tell you about that. Fight Clear Gopher Command on on nineteen years old. No no I'm sorry sorry. My call was an Indie was in Indianapolis Roth's Fort Worth all right. Sorry I'm just I'm telling you remember them item so it was a long drive because I was still in high school. That's right. He was my senior year. I was still in high school. And Ron Faircloth and Pedal Malley drove me to it and a lot of my parents. They didn't know what I was doing yet. So we drive down there and we go to weigh INS and I'm scared because this is my get this my second night fighting. It's my third fight. Second night a fighting seizes saw we get there and Mike call is weighing in and we weigh in. He's as big. He looks like tank Abbott. But not as fat and all as me so this is a twenty year old. Do It's pretty scary. You know. I'm I'm in high school and don't say anything we weigh in and we got a parking lot and his brother yells out the parking lot. You're going to lose and I knocking them all in seventeen seconds seventeen seconds. This just has a win. There were no actual. No stop watching. Soccer and reward was to fight this guy named Ron faircloth. So Yeah Ron didn't bring me. Because I had a fight Ron so I'd play on at night. But at the time Ron was a masonry worker. Roy Did out of his mind and before this show started. Ron came walking in concrete. Falling off of his boots dude veins duty. Whatever and I go to my buddy I go hope not. I hope he's not in the tournament. He was and the guy he was supposed to fight ended up having a heart attack seizure. So Ryan got a by so I knock out my call and then had to fight rock which I might be out there is. We ended up trading partners after that flight on Mayor Mary. Mma ICEPACK man was scary. Let me tell you eh. May I just want to say Unfortunately ben just quickly looking as Tim. Sylvia is not on Youtube so we cannot judge ourselves and do little robbery robbery review of the fight but I will definitely take a tape ends word for it. That there was something fishy going on with the judging porcelain fishing he won the flight. I'll give them watch the whole thing. It just was stupid fighting. A guy who the judges are as training burdens. You know such a bad time bizarre but they got paid for that fifteen minute war fifty bucks five on your a meal. Oh I've heard the name in two hundred fifty bucks and he gave it to me and he says don't spend it all in one place in U You fought full right if I'm not mistaken you're you're one of the four thousand people that has fought in. Can you believe he's still fighting? I that is wall. I think he's last. Fight was two thousand nine team on real. He's like a circus performer. Oh yeah there's a are interesting article of him on the athletic where they interviewed him and he's talking about fights he's had like five five fights in one night There's a story where every he's fought in the same guy like nine times because whenever his opponent falls out he calls this guy saying hey sometimes charm man come on down to the bar and then they just fight there and he wins every time. So let's show you travis falling right there but man good Lord von Twice. Do you remember fights? Yeah the first? One was in racine. Wisconsin I ended up putting Kamara and he one of the rare rare times. He didn't continue said. I heard his arm and that wasn't normal for him and then I fought him in the NFL and put them in a Comoro again. And he didn't WanNa tap this time. And I literally Travis. You're GONNA break please. You finally tapped Jesus. I just got a dad was like had my face was right here on lake. Travis Your Arms GonNa Break Role Mic. Please tap your guy in there man but I mean he's like a Zairean man you know what I mean. There's a respect I had him. I had him dead to rights. I knew he wasn't getting out so I could say that there's some situations you don't have you just got a goal for the guys doesn't happen time. It's unfortunate but you gotta go for it. I had him in a situation where I was on top of them. He couldn't move. I was in complete control so I can able to do that. The his his his career record right now is two hundred and fifty five fifty four in ten years. One hundred four knockouts at one hundred. Forty three submission wins. Dover's only eight decisions at two hundred and fifty five wins. Eight of them reached the judges scorecards and Ben Like you he said. He said he can remember the details of every fight. So I don't know what it is about you guys you You guys go like fifty sixty. I have no idea how you even more. I don't know how you guys remember that stuff but I will say fact checking you're correct Just went out there. He did fight had traveled in the first time in racine Wisconsin steel traps sealed track. I mean his more impressive. That's a lot more fights career. He has more submission wins than fights. I've covered live told from sportsweek. Mma I would ask Ben if he's when he said to Jon Anik that we have seen nothing yet. Why did he end by? He answered this. Yeah how annoyed was he that anecdote let him cut his prom on walkaway instead. Trying to ask them is question. Any caught so much heat for that is not bring him more. It's put to bed. Let it sleep. They go hope he answers your question. Sports Talk Sports. Be Say From Cam Kelly has tied the as side at Rothwell fighter cowboy said. He sometimes doesn't show immensely fight night. Is that something you've ever experienced in his that feeling something you can train to overcome cheer so yes for those of you who haven't heard all set the scene a little bit costarring starring recently given interviews. Espn saying before's fight against convert. January was not mentally. They're quote didn't WanNa be there which actually echoed comments that we had Bryan Kelleher on the week. After the fight he fought on the same car and also shared a locker cabinet surrounding for that fight. And he's a cowboy look like he wasn't even there when he was warming up so Brian Keller called the January cowboys. Ronnie confirmed it months later but Ben a dancer. This Cam Kelly's question. Have you ever experienced something like that before fight? I've experienced something where I have not not myself. The last under loss found out. I had a lung infection. All making excuses. I don't excuse but it is what it is. I diagnosed with lung infection. They put me on all sorts of stuff after I had to get x-rays an MRI my lungs all at. I wasn't myself in the fight. I mentally wanted to be there. What your body is just not responding. And it's a really. It sucks so something happens you know. It's a scary place to be. You just can't be yourself but you're in this cage you gotta do it so I can definitely relate what he's feeling you know. I don't know mentally something could have happened. Do such a dice roll. You do all his training and the night of the fight. Something can happen. You don't put in the right vitamins and minerals or things. Don't function bodies magnesium. That cost you. A fight is definitely a scary thing to happen because you gotta go in front of millions of people when put your them online but that the other what what? Go ahead the other interesting thing. Surani said was he kind of phrase it like. I wasn't cowboy that night and a lot of fighters have sort of spoken of leg an all ego. When it comes right Brandon Marino reason the assassin baby. He Beasley said. Like Oh. I'm Brandon Marino when I'm at home when I'm training maybe two point Oh and I just kind of I kind of tune out. Did you ever find any use for having sort of like a fight persona like to separate yourself from you know your your civilian life you know? Is there a demonstration? Ben Rothwell and Big Ben. It's like a yes. No I kind of like and that all the time but you can't be it. You can't do that because I'd be trashing. Society had been so I've laid it out to my heart rate one. My heart rate breaks a certain level. I'm dirty by fight night when once I get into the cage. I'm pretty sure my heart rate is around that and I'm different them speak differently Just my mind thinks differently and all I and like a different person but I'm always Moyes at first and I don't I don't try to kid. I don't lie to myself saying split personality or anything. There's like a switch. I think you've heard in the past. There was like a switch. It's an intensive to be calm. And like I said I use the incident. Something out on the street when something happens someone pushes your wife down in front of you that switch you know there's something goes on in your head you're something else. You can't talk reasoning to me my my my objected. There's one thing that's GonNa Happen. And when I'm that person in the ring that's why fight my best. So that's the Big Ben comes up you. You had mentioned In Your Andrea Lachey. Fight that you said like you are mentally but your body may physically. You might not be able to perform the way you WanNa to do for those of us who have never experienced that. I mean you're those remind me of one tire Willie's after his loss to Kamar lose when he said the whole time he was telling his arms like throw a punch though could them by his mind and his body were not working together like He. He was basically watching himself telling him to do things. But as Body wasn't reacting a so for people who have never experienced like that. What's it like being in a fistfight and your body not want dot being able to do what you wanted to do? A lot of bad emotions. Let me tell you because you're here and you're a fighter Jan any anything that you do that results in. Hey Gimme a timeout. Let me fix this or not. The fights ole-ry quit so you just do it. You're just like this sucks. This hurts. Mcdonald's deserve you're in that situation. You're in that moment. What it really sucks. I know exactly what tyrone would leave soon and it can happen. Anybody can it has. It's what I'm amazed is having A. Let's be missile special to have a record like his at. This doesn't happen in more majority of the sport. Everybody takes at least a loss as you have that night. The night were just can't get your mind and body to cooperate could be could be a lot of things. Can you think of nine? That happened and yet you still pulled out. I would say to a degree anytime. The fight goals a little bit longer than that starts happening a little bit of a battle. Shay Brennan Barrel Second Round like kind of like floating around and not really being myself and then he trigger switch in the third round where I sat myself out of the same thing happened in the stuff in strike I was basically. He was coasting to win people. Blame the kicks and Rewatch or what a bunch of nonsense. Whatever happened is all the chargers which now last minute twenty was me being me. That's that's defy. That's one. I'm very very hard to stop. Thank you so much for. The question. Can't kill it stagnated answer from talk about this real quick. Because that's what's his name Stove Stephen. A SMITH SMITH KNOWS SPORTS EAGLES. Right away he rebuttals and says y'all GonNa Apologize Now. Y'All think I'm crazy but this doesn't line up when I when I read that I go. This doesn't line up with what you originally said though. What he originally said was far more harsh and not anything related with it wasn't like Steven didn't say Qalaway doesn't look like he's himself tonight. Stevens said this is an embarrassment and he quit. I don't think he is for forgiveness. But Dude you're you're not even talking the same thing. Your first comments were an attack. It wasn't any kind of forgiveness. Wasn't any kind of hey cowboy doesn't look like himself. No you call him a quitter in in new sane things like that like a lot of fighters took offence to as you don't know fighting you don't know what it's like to be in that cage so don't act like you know what it's like to be in the cage you don't until you get in the cage and you understand what that real true pressures like having someone across from you trying to end you in front of millions of people. It's not like any sport in this entire planet may have no idea to stop trying to pretend like you know you don't I respect. The he knows football dude. He's a great speaker of all these things but he really he. It's Joe Rogan team. Adam and he says he doesn't he's like Kinda guy that's always right is never on. He can't be wrong he's always right about everything. That in itself is a huge human flaw. So good luck with that. Buddy you've gotta work at crawl. We we all we all can be wrong. Got An own. You're wrong and learn from them. I love it I love it I am not. I am not a Stephen Fan I I will just put that out there like like Ben said all all respect to the success of the guy has his persona that he's developed that gets the attention that he wants to further his. That's great but I totally agree that he's misinformed about a lot of things especially about MMA as as Ben so eloquently pointed out and thank you for putting him on blast. Because I think that was. That was very necessary. I'm not a fan of the comments at all. But that's a whole other and that's that's a whole other thing actually disaster when we got this one from at the seaside with cowboy saying he wasn't himself fighting McGregor indefinitely quote. Didn't bring in that fight. Is there any way congregate fights Habib right after that So this individual just asking about what Connor Fight Habib again. I mean sure yet I guarantee would fight again. You said it a million times right. I'm not mistaking you said he's wanted that. Fight Thousand Talk Connor Right that's not not a not a bold statement there I do want to ask Ben something. that Rock Roxanne modifier was on this show last episode and she didn't get to answer this but someone asked for her input. On how fighters view the media and what our roles should be. They asked us what we thought. Our role should be but she wanted a question directly from five or so as a professional fighter. Who's done immediately is done. Press conferences done the scrums. Done the interviews. How do you view the media's role in what do you think our role should be exactly what you guys do? It's to spread the word in the knowledge and to show a tavern on the talk about it and to get people interested in talk about it. The problem is it's just like fighters were not equal and one one bad media member doesn't speak for all the media but people like to do that. All this person did they. All media's bad now it's just such ignorant way but people it's human nature tell we've been doing that with everything you know. One fighter goes on does some stupid so all fighters are bad people. You know. That's not true. So media's everything that's why I don't I kind of really pull out the last three or four years from social media for my own personal reasons but prior to that I had a lot of fun with it and always even back in the NFL days and prior to that. I always tried to do media interviews because if we don't spread the word the sport won't girl he believed in what's going on so. I've always tried to help you guys out. In the bus promoter media so Utah subscribes to the fact that fans are blaming the media for the previous cancellation of UC. To forty nine. We got felt I could tweet like this is what I had for breakfast today and someone will tweet me. Yeah well too bad. You're not coming to forty nine. Congratulations on like I say anything. I descended on having for breakfast. That social media people into say You want how much nonsense it is so there was no blame for to forty nine so you know the point blame at White. Nba cancel the season. When that happened. I I told everybody was happening after was NBA as the most the march one of the. It's the month they make so much money so much. Money was at stake and they cancelled the season. I was anybody understand the magnitude of what's happening right now so for the UCLA. Cancel a show come on B. M. Annoy the Olympics are can't Olympics Olympics are getting and that hasn't happened yet. That's still a couple minutes couple minutes away. The Olympics are cancelled. It's insane in In fairness in fairness to all the trolls out there you know I am a member of them. May media may have re tweeted something about the cove in nineteen back then and before you know cancelled and then so I might be responsible so I again. I am media maybe that was my at the NBA and the Olympics. And everything shut down. I shouldn't have retweeted news but Kobe. Nineteen apologized You know what I understand the power that that I and the and the enemy. So I'm very sorry but I wanNA spend for yourself have you. Has there ever been something written about you and the media or any any or you'd like really objected to frame? Well hold on like that's you know maybe I said that. Maybe that's what I didn't fight it. But but that's not fair the way you put it happens. I said something. It was completely taken out of context misquoted. The sentence I can't remember like I said it's been a while and it was probably going back. Two Thousand Fourteen two thousand fifteen steven Morocco goes back stopping. Everything stopped. Stay off Internet diabetes. Though because I would I would call him and I'd be mad with why this person do this. And this man. He's like stop reading everything. No I'M GONNA keep reading every shadow watching. It's happened but like I said there's good people bad people it's just the way it is can't quit because one person messed up. You gotTa keep going for the one bad. There's a whole bunch of guys doing a great job done a good thing and why we have fans without the media. All the fans want interact. They WANNA talk they. WanNa have something involved. That's what you guys do and all it brings life to the sport so super your necessary necessarily as it is. Yeah Hey shut up to the fans well obviously without with other fans we don't we don't have a job you know. Obviously you guys need fans so definitely you know when we. When we've talked about trolls and stuff. I still think that's vocal minority and I really do think the majority of the fans are are just good supportive people when it comes down and supporting median sporting fighters like Ben from at Duke Slash off brands. Everyone's friends everyone on his. You've touched on it quickly. But I'm curious to know what you think is more impressive a one punch. Ko Finer Five round-robin as markle added as it is when McGregor crumpled. Although I'd have liked to have seen the rematch to truly answer who was best Oban. What is more impressive? A five row beat down or one punch Kale quickly well. It's like a dual question or do answer. I'm sorry there's impressive. And there's an shocking mass at all hitting aspirin but the shock factor and I think Dana White just said. It's his all time high but I remember watching that flight in this that my job is and I could hear in the TV. The arena was like at all the people around me watching like. Wow it was impressive at the same time. Then to watch later on that he'd set it up he was practicing it. It's impressive at the same time. Someone that G- rules out five rounds in a exciting war you know. How can you not be impressed with that too? So I really can't say as one or the other. I see. I'm impressed by so many things when you see things like that happened in the sport guys at the because it's not an accident you train. Your muscles work that way to snap that punch. Just a have the accuracy shirt for the fans watcher man. That's only fifteen seconds put. It didn't change the fact that I spent three months in a training camp so I guess I'm unimpressed. By all goes into it and if you're in the get that flash knockout you're probably going home x. with that fifty thousand dollars extra extra. Money doesn't hurt. Ben used the words impressive. There's a difference between impressive and shocking ad. Informative I don sounds like it was so informative but I think there's something to like. Obviously I'm a big. I'm you know I'm Canadian Fan. So you know to take my mom with that perspective definitely really appreciate sort of a five round championship offense. Where like the champion shows. Just how he is Something it's like super dangerous opponents so for me I would lean towards a five round a definitely sword dominant five round decisions Being more quote unquote impressive or like I said informative and kind of letting us know like this guy really is the spear fighter but like Bensaid shocking is another thing altogether and Certainly when you look at some guys highlight reels. You can understand why like certain fighters are held in higher esteem than other guys who necessarily always go the distance things like that. But I'm on the five round side of the discussion David Duke. Slushy A as is frozen on your back Oh another question from Kelley as at this day and age in order to become a top drawn. Usc Do you need the support of nation? And is that even possible for American fighters Ireland has Connor Canada behind ESPN etcetera however most US fighters Support seems to only go city slash statewide. So interesting question. It does remind me of the comments that Chris Wyman made WANNA seem to fall like Anderson the Cheetah Belford was fighting all these Brazilians back to back to back to back and Brazil would really travel to where the fights were happening. He's himself said if I will fight overseas America's now following me but Brazil will follow their fighters. So Ben How do you do? You have any thoughts on this. Have you noticed Opponents that you fight brain can bring the nation over but say you go fight overseas like you did? Jd S Wisconsin's The State of Wisconsin probably not following. You overseas right right. Yeah that's the advantage or the international fighters can get. They can get a country behind him. You see it in. Ireland will use Conor McGregor. They didn't have anything to be excited about. All of a sudden you got. Ufc putting them on a platform and you see the whole country will get behind a guy or girl on and it just become very proud to have something to be supportive of in the United States. Work that way because a shed. Yata just gotTa really got a really rise to the top in the United States to Kinda you gotta get the world behind. You really gotTA detention advisory body. And even then they're gonNA have people flying out to you You'll just give them the by the paper you John Jones a okay. He's done some things outside of fighting he still has a ton of fans and say. Those things didn't happen regardless I don't think people are flying if if if he did fly fighter internationally. I don't think a whole bunch of people fly overdosing him. I don't it's just all we are people by any other countries it's like they really get behind it and it isn't it's like. I don't know if it's a soccer thing or if it's just because the way the other countries don't have anything else but they really get into. Its like their thing to get into. Usc loves it because look at the net. The pay per view buys for that country. Explo- of sites wide international market has become so big from them because of that people get behind a fighter in. It's impressive as an American fighter. Yeah it's tough. You gotTA fight against that. You're fighting all nation was on a you can take advantage of Like you could basically become a bigger deal to like you. Beat their guy. They're gonNA remember like could you use it as to your advantage like say the? Us does get behind you go to like say Aldo went island crumpled hip. I went to Ireland. I didn't even get the fight. I just hung out with people man so much support from Ireland. All people are off their debt Conor McGregor got a made man because countries awesome. They get behind you you know. I'm a bit Irish. But I'm not from there and just being nice to be in their autographs and hanging everybody through their awesome. So you can win a more. We gotta go. You gotTA fight for the United Person. GotTa be somebody for them to get behind but it can happen. We had a question about that. Casey about Bannon Dublin Or Ireland I don't see it but you can ask him. I think there was a fan asked him like before this pandemic were you trying to get on that. Dublin car was supposed to be in August. I said he decided he was nice. He's been really nice. They go Michael another question. Cam Kelly has the. Do you think you have so you could be more popular amongst casuals if you have seen. Fires were paid more in able to be to live more luxurious slash. Ayla celebrity lifestyles. I don't think so. I'm not a fashion guy. A lot of HOOPLA. What are you wearing today Ben? What's your fast and I know who who are you. What are you doing honey? I think sorry guys my breaking up a little bit. I think the question makes more sense. If it's it's more like you know if you didn't have to worry about a certain like a boring about financial is might be an issue for some fighters So if you could just focus solely on training and if you were so well taken care of and so well compensated that you could just solely focus on training. Do you think more fighters improve the quality of fighters overall while it's tough to say any individual because I can't tell people to spend their money but I know I know guys that have made a lot more money than I do and they don't have what I have now now? That time by Iona Jim I told you I have a seven hundred square foot training facility that my garage turned my garage. Okay so I don't get to park cars in the garage but let me tell you during all of this. It's really nice to walk five feet out and have everything I need and I know guys that are making complaints about not having a place to train. But I'm like wait a minute. You made a lot more money than me. Nobody stopped you from making a Gem. So it doesn't matter if you give people the money they're going to spend it however and I was still figuring out ways Duma you'll have better trained take care my trainers. They have stuff so you can't. You can't deny that we have more money to the guys like me. Have better training do better? Of course I just don't see it with a lot of guys because I think they're still gonNA blow the money on whatever you give them more money more money for them to go blow on the stupid shit. They're going to go do anyway. Sorry it's hard to stay. You know we all want more money but what you're going to do with the money. Who knows will have on time case? We have any more questions from Rothwell go. We just kind of general questions about anime stuff. Nothing for been. We think we've answered most of the fun once but I'm Alex Yet. You have anymore questions while one thing. I wanted to I WANNA see those I don't know. Can we see one of those sorts? Ben I dunno these those sorts of sorry for for people who are listening. We'll we'll try described towards Later went when they listened but for youtubers. Please enjoy this folded blade. Actually this is kind of hard to get. You'd see Hanan so that's where they put the clay see the wavy lines. Who did they put clay? And it's a differential and they do. It's a heat treatment off so this is actually the old you know. This is done the old way this. This sword was made in Holland but it was done in the old Japanese way and it's not easy to come by bud so when they did they put clay in see when they when they got metal super hot they quench it. It creates. That's what creates the difference in the in the steel and that's where consumer the metal is what it does is makes this back part very flexible and then the blade is very hard if it was all one type of chatter. So that's a little bit about. Samurai swords super sharp. Cut A pig in half. Jesus I don't know why use the pay started hanging up a pig and come in for some reason so this is one of them another company up there Ford Motor yet names for them at this point. This one was named goes Kanji Garnsey in Cuba. We see perfect. So this is demon war blade. It's no joke. You thought you thought Ben. Rothwell couldn't be any more dangerous. You didn't even know you guys didn't know then we did want to ask because you know you. You will be fighting Jacksonville. What have you heard sort of about Safety Safety Precautions. Have you have you been tested? Have they told you when might get tested? What's what's the kind of general picture? There regarding colvin nineteenth stuff ahead of fight week. He sent the email astronauts says when we arrive. Tested Metastasis Day. Were there from my best of my knowledge. The hotel is completely space like bought by the for this period of time. So there'd be no public there. You have to wear credential. Apparently just to be on the hotel grounds. They're not allowing anyone outside of licensed people to be there so when we get there so you feel all right about it. I do from my were. I'm GONNA fly now because I heard that airports are safer than a gas station How many more people all right now than the airport. How many people are coming with you to Jacksonville Ben? Three corners average. Well Anymore Questions Casey from either you Alex or Youtube Twitter facebook better. Hurry up man. Onto the saw this year I only did one last year. So we know exclusive. We got a couple requests requests for the laugh. But I don't WanNA been not. He's not he's not a he's not a jukebox. You know you can't just throw this now for me. But I wanted come natural. He's not he's not a circus free free today but it's been I missed a missed. I love watching you fight. I Love I think when you fought Josh Burnett when you did your Jig in the end for the open workouts in the rain for I don't understand this guy's a star you can dance you can you. Can you got dropped promos. He can fight and I think you're the whole package. Ben Rothwell is I'm just saying appreciate got gotta get back in action may have added some some time off and went through. Hell came out the other side and here I am so. Let's make the most of the last couple of years. I got. Yeah Hey people want to see him. The Ben Rospa laugh for the Benguela Jaeger. Or whatever new movie to break out a May thirteenth right. Well we'll see. We'll see you tune in may thirteen. I guess over in Saint Prune out before we let you goes or anything else. You want to say to our listeners. Fans or anyone else out there. I just appreciate everyone. I really appreciate the fans any of the fans that have met me. You know it a smile on take pictures feel free. I still. I don't see much social media but I'll check it out so you guys got questions. They join a asked me. Just hit my twitter handle you know. Hit Up and instagram. And all try to get back to you so you said we're here because of the fans you guys come. I the reason we get to do this. It'll be sad he'll be sad. Not here. You're roar in the arena. I'll do my best to imagine imaginary your home's freaking show I wanNA give you while said. I don't think we can top that. Promo right now but of course this Jose Alex that was Casey. Thank you so much ben for Joining us this Friday the first episode of May ahead especially because he's invite camp right. Now you can find on Stitcher spotify. Google PODCASTS APPLE PODCASTS. Youtube all of the podcast. But until then we'll see you on. Monday we're out. You're listening to ninety million.

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We literally just walked out that part of the airport where it says if you go past his point is the point of no return you have to exit. Yes. And some guy who I've never seen before I've never seen before walked up to us. And was like are you Ameri? Are you Ben yet? And then he's he handed us a beautiful envelope. Yeah. Win calligraphy hand. And on the back. They said beautiful field Axial at says constructed adventures probably stamped by a ring of like, an emperor something, I hope so I sure hope to be open it. Yes. Let's open it right now. I can't believe this high. I was not expecting what we were expecting wasn't adventure. We just didn't expect it to be this specialized and to start at the airport. Dear Ben, Amer you're going to die in two minutes. Just kidding. You wanna read it yet? Because you're doing you're already too slow. Dear. But in Ameri if you want an interview, you'll have to find me I tomorrow morning arrive at Fontaine cafe and. We're just talking about pronounce crepe crepe. Exactly ten ten o'clock. Am tell the hostess were trying to unravel the thread. Expecting you. Sincerely, the architect. Emery, and I were about to embark on this awesome adventure. But the origin of the adventure. And our ability to go on it is a surprising story in and of itself every year one of Red's communities conducts the largest anonymous gift exchange in the world, a hundred thousand people participate in the space of just a few months, and as you're about to hear this secret Santa program on read it has lasting effects. It can launch a business connect to celebrity to regular person in even spark a love story. But at its core this exchange is all about the kindness of strangers people. Who are anonymous today's episode, dear non. I'm Ben Brock Johnson. And you're listening to endless thread, the show featuring stories found on read it I'm coming to you from WB, you are Boston's NPR station. Have no fear. We are going to get back to our crazy adventure. But first, we should talk about how this whole thing works. It's pretty straightforward you sign up for this secret Santa exchange on read it you give some information about yourself, and you get matched with someone else on read it who has also provided information there's a spending minimum twenty bucks and you're off to the races. Every once in a while, though, somebody gets a match that is pretty unique a few years ago that person was Reddit user Eric's Alicia leashes from Texas. She came back from errands one morning to see the hated sorry. We missed you sticker from FedEx on her door. You know, that kind of note that often appears like magic and never really seems to guarantee your package will actually get delivered. But this package was special because the FedEx guy came back without prompting carrying a big box. So I get it inside and take off, you know, open with a box cutter. And then there's this huge cardboard. Peace over the top after I already get it open. And then a giant Lou layer of bubble wrap. I pop the bubble wrap or now eventually I did not. I I take off that top cardboard piece. I've just kind of stand there and stare at it for a second because there's a picture right under the top layer of see through green bubble rapper who's in the picture. Bill Gates sat there and stared at it for a second. I didn't know what to do Bill gazes. My frigates. Cricket. The leash did not wait for her husband who is at work to open the other presence one of which had her read it handle Eric's on it. It said Eric's mittens on the box. And then the other one said clerics come on. Now that soup cute. My dog's name is Claire the box had a ton of stuff inside lots of it, admittedly, made by Microsoft, of course. But it was obvious. Bill Gates are his people had looked at a leashes read it history. They did their research. I guess man Alicia is a big video gamer, so she got wireless XBox controllers, a special edition Minecraft themed XBox, and those mittens they had a theme that classic Nintendo video games Zelda, which Alicia used to play with her older, brother. Oh, yes. Oh, I have a try force tattoo. It's bad. Wait. What is try force? Again, is that the like different the things that you have to collect? Fan. It's been a little while it's been a little while since the best gift in the box might have been a Cajun cookbook. There was also a note it says Eric's since you're originally from Louisiana and miss your uncle's Cajun cooking, I thought you might enjoy trying some of the recipes from this cookbook merry Christmas. Bill Gates is there a message that you would like him to hear if you could tell him. Frigging? Thank you. And everything was perfect. I want to send him a thank you card. But I don't think if I sent it to address that's the return address. I don't feel like it wouldn't get to him. But I still have that on my to do list. Elisa's favorite video game of all time. Zelda the theme music of which you're hearing right now is all about going on a quest. So time to get back to my quest with Ameri a quest that another editor designed for us. So that we could find him for an interview about his job which happens to be setting up. Quests it started in historic Alexandria, Virginia near the Potomac river, which is kind of perfect because the Reddit or we were chasing after has a favorite movie, some of which also takes place around our nation's capital. A declaration national treasure starring Nicolas Cage, think secret codes freemasons US history, and a whole lot of cage one of those movies that is bad enough. It's kinda good. It's kind of good because well, nNcholas cage and also it is full of questing our requesting like any great questing started at a crepe ary. Hey, how's it going? We're here to unravel. The thread. She knows what it me. I'm gonna see you. Oh, okay. All right. Cool. What is happening? Okay. What has been handed to us is a small treasure chest. And with a purple master lock. That is a letter lock. So let her lock we have to somehow determine what the the letters are envelopes. Okay. Thank you very much. The message that has just been handed to us reads as you're well aware, you must find me. If you want to interview me, okay, step one have a crepe drink some coffee. Pop. The lock there's a second page. Oh, we got a cipher. I see something. Oh, I see. Okay. It says locate the green book behind you ovarian to page one ninety two oh, my God us this page to decode the message. Mike X is wine. Why is word Z is letter? Oh my God. Let me we find the green book positioned conveniently on ledge behind Emory's chair turn to page one ninety two and get to work. So let's start with one to seven so line one. Yep. We're to okay in the seventh letter in that word to the eventually we spell out. You are holding one. We are holding a book. So we enter book on the letter lock. And are you ready for me to open this? Yeah, I'm just so relieved we haven't screwed up on the first. Do we got one? What are these things even called think it's a crypt tax? It is called the crypt tax. We also got a map. And of course, another Cleal. My location is inside this crypt ex you'll get the password. Eventually, but I you need a key. Find the statue at market square. You'll find your next instructions next stop market square, which according to the map was just a few blocks away home to Alexandria's city hall, a lovely fountain and statue, this statue is a little bit raised off the ground. And it's. It's a man in a very dancey posed as you might say oh. He's kind of envelope. Stuck to his booty this clue sent us to Gad's piece tavern where there was another envelope. Tucked in between two pieces of stone outside in that envelope, yet another clue which sent us to a gazebo behind a historic home threat. To get the key. One two three. Look at this key keep this is a substantial key is not a joke. This is the key to Alexandria. Map. We got to go to the torpedo factory. So we have to keep walking this way down the hill. All right. There's some art on the walls. Walking through. Repeat that is most deaf a silver torpedo the torpedo gave us a clue that scentists towards the docks. Oh dot gate. Sure. You're the dock master. He he's on vacation. But you go down there. And the treasurer it's out there on the dock. Oh, you know about the treasurer. Wait. Yeah. With no, I I don't I don't. I got to. Thank you my dog. Prefers to remain anonymous. Thank you. All right. Very mysterious steriods. I have to take care of my dog. Oh likely story turns out it was a more likely story than we initially gave him credit for as we later confirmed that guy was not in on the treasure hunt. But he really should be. He was great. And he was also right out there on the dock we found another long thread, and the thread is attached to thing. There's something it's floating in the water, and there's a burlap sack inside of the thing that's floating in the water. We pulled up the package opened the box and pulled out what looked like a vape pen crossed with a flashlight the instructions read us on the map. So we did. And sure enough. There were words written on it that had been invisible in normal light Ford, the trolley and. Wait, wait instructions. We're getting on the for Holly, dude trolley, isn't that the big boat that we Charlton tally time? Got one of these people are going to give us mysterious instructions scared. Oh. Which one A S P H. Okay for you. Name. We can't tell. Thank you. Thank you. It says in the end team team Aranda walked up to us handed an envelope and walked away. That letter contained some strange, but familiar Lear IX, sometimes I do things they can either let me a medal or land me in jail. Jan, dan. And what is that? What it's one of my song lyrics and look to you. And he knows your song lyrics. Sometimes. Landman? Didn't you know Ameri is a singer songwriter in her spare time, well now, you do we got off the trolley at the stop indicated and tried to figure out what this lira clue could possibly mean with the cryptic cylinder thingy that. We had received in the beginning was the name of the song human. Oh, spell out human. Yeah. So delighted right, man. Ameri song was the Columbia firehouse walked to the back down. The stairs. Use the key get into the interviews. Okay. Damn Columbia firehouse. Finally, finally, we made it to the firehouse walked down the stairs in Saul the light. At the end of our treasure hunt tunnel that light was the Reddit or who set us on this adventure? He was holding three beers. And our big brass key. It was just a bottle opener. This is like and clever thing that's ever happened in my way. Oh my gosh. Wow. Thank you for all vents. The man behind the treasure hunt in a minute. Endless thread is sponsored by packet. 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And like we are what you do held. You are away from my name is Chris waters. And I am the architects. I'm thirty two years old. I have a company that was built by read it most people that hire MIR for read it most people that I hire from read it and pretty much all of my marketing is also kind of on read it, and what is the company the company is called constructed adventures. And I create extraordinary experiences for people a lot of treasure hunt type things, but it doesn't just stop. There. Would you call this like live gaming, what's the sort of technical term for this treasure hunt cooed work, but I've had a lot of people that participate in these say that those terms don't quite do it Justice. So I think an alternate reality game the goal is to kind of give them a day where the whole world seems to revolve around them where did the idea come from to design? A treasure hunt for your secret Santa it just came to this. Like, I have this opportunity to do something really really cool for. An internet stranger, and I'll never get this opportunity again. The reason Chris saying this was a unique opportunity is that out of a handful of times he's participated in this global gift exchange. This one time he got someone who lived close to him in Arizona, which meant that Chris could actually give his secret Santa and his secrets Hannah's girlfriend a real life at venture. I just kind of started talking to him to feel out if he would be up for something like this. I didn't outwardly say you're going on a treasure hunt. Adventure thing it really was just like, okay. Need you to give me a day and the next weekend Saturday or Sunday, we're both of you are completely veiled? And he said, okay. I can try to swing it. And I talk him kind of off the ledge one time where you said, you know, how do I know I'm not going to get murdered in the desert his girlfriend thought, I was Ellen sorry to disappoint. Let's talk about the inspiration. So national treasure is a bad movie that you really think is a great. The best movie ever. It is the perfect family movie because there is action intrigue. You'll learn American history humor. There's zero violence that there's never a moment. It's literally the perfect family move is threat of violence. But no violence. That's true. Chris I constructed adventure. Had a national treasure vibe to it. It started with a stranger knocking on the couple's door and giving them a mysterious briefcase filled with clues and information and it ended with Chris handing them their gift. And it ended at this cool little underground Speakeasy bar where I sat next to him. And slid them this bottle of champagne in a box that was wrapped as their final gift and said, congratulations. You did it. Here's your gift. Not surprisingly this whole adventure blew up on read, it it got posted on our picks the photo community where it really took off Chris and friend had built a rudimentary website, which was immediately inundated with requests. It's all of a sudden these two guys had a budding business like what part of your personality lead you to doing this people wake up and go to work, and although there might be some deviations, they know exactly what's going to happen. They're going to go to work nine to five Monday through Friday on the weekends. They're going to relax and binge watch. Netflix and then two weeks out of the year. They're going to go on some vacation if they're lucky, and that's exactly what's going to happen. And they know and it gets kind of depressing. And so my goal was host to kind of create that like I'm going to go into the office. And I don't know baby. There's something weird that happened. Right. And that's something that the world kind of needs at first, it was just a side hustle. But eventually Chris had a moment where things came to a head. He was working for this tech company doing his own grind in California one day after a horrible day at work. He went surfing to clear his head and the water was choppy. There was too many people I tried to catch away. A biff it my leash. Which is what connects your board your ankle snapped. And my board just tumbled in and I had to swim back in shore. And so I'm sitting on the beach. I can't even surf and that was kind of that Rahm com moment where like the guys fiancee's leaves him, and he's sitting in the rain and then like a car splashes him. Whereas okay, this something needs to change. He had to get out and lean into this new thing that he cared much more about so he called this buddy who had become his side hustle business partner. So he said I'm going to give you my half of this business because he had his own business doing great. He's still doing great someday. He's going to get the greatest fucking adventure of his life. I can tell you that. Because I still like any emotional about ice. Oh him big time. So had money saved. Talk to my mom who basically said, we're ski scenario. Come back home, talk to my brother, and it was like worst-case scenario. Come crash my sofa. Now, Chris is affecting homeless, but he's constantly traveling around the country to set up adventures, he's doing wedding proposals corporate events other kinds of parties. He's been a Costa Rica Miami soon, he's headed to Milan for a marriage proposal right now he's booked through June of twenty nineteen even has a big spreadsheet of other redder in different cities who have offered to help him with his adventures. He says he always pays them for their time. Even if it means less profit charges a flat rate right now, he says he's just trying to grow his business. I never traveled before this. And now I'm in a new city every week, and that's kind of cool. And it's something that will, you know, be able to treasurer no matter what happens with this. What does it mean to you to send someone on a treasure hunt? And what do you hope that they kind of take away from the experience the world's gotten safer since the seventies. Statistically, but the information spread is so frequent. That you hear about every shooting you here about every bombing here. But every horrible thing that happened this world, and you kind of have this immediate reaction where if someone's going to approach you're like, I don't wanna talk to you like headphones on like, I don't want this. And so this business was kind of trying to swing network in the other direction where people embrace spontaneity and fun and intrigue, and if I can be a piece of that that spectacular and if I can be kinda vehicle for that. It'd be great, and then a great Reddit thread, a long time ago that said, you know, at one point in time, we all went outside to play with our friends, but the last time and we never noticed. And this is the way to go outside and play with your friends again. Chris's existence. Even if he gets to meet new people in every city might be a little lonely that is a price. He is willing to pay to put a little more adventure into the world. But we have one more story for you that is made to strangers using red at gifts into life partners. So my name is LIZA on right? It's I'm IRRI Andrel, and I'm cured -ly living in Dubai. My name is Jewish on Red Eye on finishes and I'm also currently living in Dubai. Do. You want us to tell you the story. Yeah. Please. Tell us the story where you start from the beginning. Yes. So leases from Belgium. Josh is from the UK. And if you years back the each signed up for Rettig gifts leeza was assigned to Josh. So she sent him some presence some books about roleplaying games are because they both like some of the same games on Christmas day of twenty fifteen Josh and LIZA began trading messages. They were using the chat software for red. It's gift exchange, which is meant for non messages between users who want to figure out what to send each other and get pumped up about the gift for Josh a quick back and forth turned into a Daleus. We sort of tested the limits of that messaging. So to the point thinking, basically was like almost unreadable it sort of crate such a long chain of messages, and we ultimately swapped numbers, and sort of it went on from that and United that incites. When when you're in love or when you are. Talking to someone really nice. That was kind of the I was feeling from the first second. I message. Well, basically the second message from Josh same for me. It was it was quite strange because oversee this was like not the context you'd expect to me anyone and we were talking about being together for like Fateh, basically within. Third day or within a few days of seeing the lying karma. But like, very specific matters. Superfan. Both of us had this just really with magnet attraction to each other. Like just from just talking I'll be one even like, we didn't really know anything about each other. But we just sort of had this stranger attraction. One of the crazy things here is that these new lovebirds were sticking to the red it rules because anonymity is at the center of how the gift exchange works. So for the first two and a half weeks or three weeks of us at toll king and really in the period. What we ready fell for each other? I heard Lee's voiced by Nevoso or new name hatch will name toke about with my friends the time about how she could be. It could be just being catfish basically Laci could be anyone. Just saw of faith in the fact that she was being genuine that was sort of a point where things sort of go a little bit strange and Lisa said, oh, I see you a such a good friend, basically kind of thing. Yeah. That's. But she condescends that this was more to this and sort of off to talk about it more like. It turned out that she was sort of. I was trying to hide my feelings. So so when did you to meet how quickly did this escalate we cooled each other on New Year's Eve and basically come in? But who exactly proposed it, basically? Yeah. She said, we should me on Valentine's Day in Paris. And that that became a plan. Okay. So that was the drunk plan meet in Paris on Valentine's Day, this sober plan. Was there is no way they were gonna wait that long for big romantic gesture, so they decided to meet even sooner in Antwerp where LIZA lived big moves. What was that? Like seeing each other for the first time. Well lease on the day. I write had to work, basically. So I had to get to her opponent. And she left the key for me in Lunka bag in the mailbox. So I had to reach into the mailbox get a key out. And I went into apartment, and I was kind of blown away sheet stunk like a hundred and fifty posters on the wall. Saying -verting things basically about how she was really looking forward to seeing me about how you know. She. You know, how she loves me. And she left some like Belgian food full me, and I literally had to sit then for like four hours just waiting, and it was the longest in my life. Eventually I went to pick her up from west Gulf the tram from what? Our sold long. And we we just like smiling. You're just bumping into each other. As we will today. Surreal it will surreal. I actually got off a stuff because I just couldn't grasp anticipation, and I literally I was crying. I was so novice. What if he did like, me, whatever he what have? We just wanted to go back to the UK. Everything was fine. Everything was amazing from the moment. I saw Jewish. I just need everything. All right. So they did the long distance thing every three weeks. One would go see the other for a while. Then they moved into gather had to we sort of secretly kind of said to each other. Look this is going to go the distance. But we didn't do anything ready formal until the following February lease a new I think one hundred percent that it was coming by proposed imperatives about entire stay following peppery. Honestly, I never thought I would be married. I thought I would be kind of woman that lives on a farm with twenty golden retrievers and just hates the world. I personally still think you can have all the golden retrievers. Find this to visions. Very true. Turt- on stand in a way. 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