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Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Luckily, he had a relative a brother that lived in the United States who got them quickly qualified for a program where they could go to Manila to the Philippines, which was a U.S. protectorate. This is 19 40 to 41. So they made it to the Philippines. They're sitting, trying to just make themselves to this beautiful tropical climate, so different than Belgium, but they're safe from the Nazis. Pearl Harbor happens a few months later, the Japanese Army invades. They're taking prisoner now this time by the Japanese Army. Oh my gosh. Well, he came to me and said, listen, he told me the whole story, but he said, at the end of the war, whenever the American first cavalry then recaptured Manila. We were our family was intact. We were one of the few that nobody died. We had malaria. We had dengue fever and we were malnourished. We probably wouldn't have lasted a month or two more. He said I can remember an American colonel in a Jeep driving past where we were billeted and he saw us and said, he saw these 5 European standing there. The young boys, he said, what in the hell are you doing here? Then they told them, well, listen, you know, over here, you're going to find all these other Jewish families that were relocated here under this program. Well, he ordered people there. Make sure they get enough food. He was also a medic. This colonel was also a doctor. He said, I want to make sure that I see them at the medical facility. He took a liking to this family. He cured them at dengue fever, malaria, got them fed, really loved the boys. And wrote to family members back into U.S. and said, listen, they're alive. They survived and I'm going to do my best to get them to you. He ended up getting them visas. And they ended up back in the U.S. and now there are three generations of a family. Well, he's 86 years old now. And he said for the last 26 years, ever since he retired, he has been trying to find colonel hall, John hall, who was his liberator and thank him. But, I mean, he, the handwriting was probably on the wall. He figured he's passed. And so he went to the local congressman the congressman said, yeah, we can confirm that he passed and his wife passed. So are there any living relatives and the congressman's office could not find any living relatives? Whatsoever. But he asked me, he said, listen, when you're done with the Anne Frank project, could you please just confirm this look into it? Because my story will not be complete until I can thank them. And he goes around all over South Florida. In fact, many places in the United States lecturing about his Holocaust experience to try to try to educate children and really anybody will sit down and listen to him. He's the energizer bunny. At 86, he has far more energy than I do. Which isn't saying much, but. I did some basic Internet searches found out that he had one son that had passed away, but I thought I saw that he had a daughter and another son. Well, I contacted some of our old data partners that, you know, the bureau used to work with him. Still works with. And I said, I need a small favor. You know, I don't have a PI license. I'm just a consultant. But this is the story. And they said, do you know what? We love it. Give us the names. We'll do some searches.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Wow. By this time, funding run out, but you continue to work on it. When did your investigation when did your effort officially come to a close? I want to say it was probably late 2020, early 2021. Is whatever we finally said, okay, the most likely of all the scenarios that we reviewed, the most likely cause of the raid. Is the one involving the Dutch notary? And that's when we concluded it. Yeah. And how did you go about issuing like, you know, like with a committee or whatever, how did you go about issuing your final report? Because by this time, this kind of book in this, by this time, you went from ah, should I do this or not? To now you even work without compensation for a while. How many hours or how much effort had you put into it by this point? In other words, did you feel like you were back on the job again working 50, 60 hours a week or what was it like? Oh, I'm going to tell you whenever I actually lived in Amsterdam from October 2018 to October 2019. I would only come home for just like a quick cone leave and then back. Honestly, when I say it was 24 hours a day, it was. If I was sleeping, I was thinking about it. If I was awake, I was thinking about it. It was on the weekends. It was every waking moment. And up until then, I mean, what started out as an investigation became this obsession to learn more because there was right when you think there's nothing new to be found. You turn over a rock and you find something new. And you just keep going and going and going. And even after I returned home in October of 2019, it still kept going. We were still reviewing what was in the Microsoft program. And. About that time is when rosemary Sullivan actually started putting pen to paper. She was embedded with us for a month. In 2019. And then would have regular phone calls with us. Okay, what's new? She had access to our databases, access to the programs. So she could go in and read our reports that were being conducted just like regular police report that would be done. We had actual reports. We had sort of incident reports, all of that information, then she had to try to wrestle this behemoth of a story. How do I put this into 350 plus pages? I have to tell the story of the Holocaust. I have to tell the story of Anne Frank. I have to tell the story of the SD and you're investigation.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Well, speaking from, you know, in law enforcement terminology, we were looking at the scenarios that were left as far as means motive and opportunity. Who of these suspects had the means motive and opportunity with means we were substituting knowledge, you know, that they had knowledge of where the people were in hiding. And it turned out that of all the scenarios, there were scenarios that we couldn't prove. We couldn't bring them to a level of confidence. The only one that survived the means motive and opportunity to a level of confidence was that of the Jewish notary. But we had one burning question. Where did he get the list? That's what everybody said. Where would he have access to these lists of addresses? Where did he obtain them? Yeah, and who is keeping the list in the first place? Was it the council? Well, I mean, was it a secret intelligence organization within the council? I mean, who would want to know where everybody was at? Well, and that was the burning question. So we even after the formal team disbanded because of the funding ran out in October of 2019, several of us continued the investigation. And tried to find answers to those questions. And the answers were there. We found out that there are three or four different sources where the list could have came from. There was a transit camp in the Netherlands called westerbork. That's where all the Jews first processed through before they went to the camps. Too bad auto Frank and her family and their friends weren't found a few weeks after they were because of the last transport for the death camps left in September. They could have survived in the NXT after that. We wouldn't be here probably talking about this today. But we found out that there were a group of Jews who worked for the Jewish council.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"And that a lot of the addresses must have been old addresses because whenever they went there, the Jews were gone. They either moved on or they were captured. All of these little pieces of the puzzle starting to add up. You know, it's almost like maybe he wasn't trying to give everybody up. And so salted among the real addresses were a bunch of fake addresses, but you had to give just enough to the Germans so that they wouldn't find you to your point, not useful anymore. So every now and then, even a small win was enough to keep him in their good graces. It would seem. Exactly. And this German businessman that was the one that acquired the art collection and was a friend of this notary. He, I mean, he just wasn't any businessman. He was friends with goring sister and goring. He entertained all of the leaders of the SD at his villus. Parties lavish parties. In fact, the one leader of the SD's wife lived at one of his villas. So there was such an interconnection now this interconnection started to leave when goring started to lose power at the beginning of 1944. Hitler, if you look back in the history of it, Hitler started to lose confidence in him the Luftwaffe, the goring was over, it was almost nonexistent. Well, hell by 1944, gearing was so fat. He couldn't fit into anything, including a plane. Exactly. I mean, he certainly didn't look like the World War I ace that he was. But he started to lose favor and this German businessman thought, you know what? I've done enough here in this country that if the war doesn't go my way, I better get out of here. So he takes what's left of the paintings and he flees to Spain. At that time. Not under Nazi control. The southern part of Spain. So he flees there. Lo and behold the notary loses his protection. And so the notary, as far as we can tell, he disappears. Did he go into hiding?
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Don't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday. But that's what I like about it. It frees the investigator to quit doing administrative stuff or manually doing stuff. And to your point, start generating worse the next lead out of the following horse the next path I need to be looking at. Who's the next person I ought to be interviewing? And you can't do that if you're doing all this administrative kind of stuff. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You had to, I used to call it cutting through the chatter. You know, you had to eliminate all that chatter and just focus on what was important. But, you know, we were doing things that people hadn't done before in walking at trying to solve this with Anne Frank. You know, by gathering all these interviews up. And then also employing another modern police investigative technique. And that's behavioral science. You know, we involved roger de Pugh, I mentioned before, it was one of the founders of the bureau's behavioral science unit. And vandermeer, one of Europe's premier investigative psychologists. And we had them look at the behavior of the statements of the witnesses of auto Frank and say, you know, what does any of this mean? Can you please look at it and tell us what relevance? Did they have a secret? Didn't they have a secret? Were they holding information back? And that gave us insight into the information that they were providing. And to sum it all up after all of that was looked at, it was clear to the behavioral scientists that yes, both meep geese and auto Frank were, they knew something and little lies, I don't want to call them lies, because we're talking about auto Frank. And we're talking about meat geese, who was recognized as righteous among nations. But omission and commission, if they omit facts and there's a glaring hole, it's not that they're lying, but that's why the thing is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. You can't lie by omission, but if you leave certain facts out that leaves a gap and that's kind of what you're getting at. He's not lying, but he's just not telling you the entire truth. He's not telling you the entire truth. And an example of that, meet geese, who, again, was his administrative secretary in the business. His longtime friend is confident on up until the day that he passed away. Everybody thought that if anything she knew what happened. And father John nyman that I mentioned before who was a friend of hers. In fact, she and her husband traveled to father John nyman's ordination in Los Angeles when he became a Catholic priest. He had a conversation with her and she confided him and said, Otto did know who did this. And, you know, the question always was, well, if he knew, why didn't he do something about it? And that is the big question. Did she know? We believe that perhaps in the late 40s, early 50s. No. But at some point, he probably did tell her. He confided everything in her. And there was a 19, I think it was 1994 wallenberg lecture in which she did a speech and it was I believe in the University of Michigan. And during that speech, she said the same thing she always says. I'm listening to it on headphones on half asleep.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"That's a question that would have to be answered. Was there a secret? Wasn't there a secret? Turns out in our mind after, you know, the evidence that we found. There was a secret. Well, let's talk about leading to that. So now you're starting to put the team together. When do you find when do you get your footing? I mean, when do you get your when do you hit your stride in this investigation is like, we're firing on all cylinders. We're getting everything. I mean, you're still going to have some roadblocks, but it's like, no, we're engaged. We got the team assembled, and at the height of this, tell us about the size scope, you know, structure of your team. Well, just about the time that we were getting a little disappointed on the scope of the information that we were going to have to be walking at. And the distances that we're talking about because it's not like there's one central repository for all Holocaust related information, Nazi information. It was going to be all over Europe, and we found in the United States. Scavenger hunt is really what I mean, you were going all over the place, right? Looking for breadcrumbs. What do we have here? Yeah, it was historical archeology is what it was. And what we ended up doing is I made many trips to the U.S. archives because I had a friend at the Holocaust museum in Washington, tell me, you know they have a collection of captured Nazi records. And it turns out that as the war was progressing in favor of the allies. There was a group of men, I've dubbed them the document men, almost like the monument monument, yeah. You saw the movie. Well, the document men, instead of looking for antiquities, they were scouring areas and buildings that were captured for any documents, anything that would provide one actionable intelligence right now.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Whether it was done by the written press, whether it was done later in years by the audio or television, there are interviews. And there are speeches that were given by some of the witnesses. So let's dig into those words of the people that if they were here, we would have interviewed. Let's compile every word that they ever spoke publicly about the raid. It has to contain information or answers to questions that if they were sitting in front of me, I would be able to ask them. And the only reason we're able to do it, and start of 2016, but most of this was done in 2018, 2019, is because we have the Internet. We were able to scour the Internet and scour all of the press archives for any bit of information. Then also, even though we didn't have the direct witnesses, we had friends of the direct witnesses that were still alive. Three of which actually live here in America. I'm going to see them in about two weeks at a document dedication ceremony at the Anne Frank center in South Carolina. And so I can interview them. Now, again, it's second person information. It's not a direct witness, but that's okay. This is a historical exercise. And you know, I also would look at it like, well, what would these witnesses, what interest would they have not to be totally candid with us? So that started us instead of confining our search parameters to a fine box from a police department records room. It was really cast the net was cast over the entire Internet. What can we find? I got one quick question for you. You just mentioned the Anne Frank center in South Carolina. How did that come to be? Isn't that something that's the number one question? Of all places, South Carolina? Well, I will tell you if you ever get the opportunity, it is located on the university of South Carolina. Which is in the heart of the Deep South, you know, Columbia, a professor there by the name of Doyle Stewart, former Pennsylvania native from my western Pennsylvania area. Established the Anne Frank center with help from the Anne Frank
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Now what is the best way to try to route these people out? Try to find them. Keeping in mind that the SD had already told him in Berlin, hey, where'd you free here? What is the significance of having these SD divisions in Europe? Well, the SD, the seeker heights dean sort of like the secret police. A lot of people call them the Gestapo, but it's a little bit different. They were the Nazi entity that controlled Denmark, unlike in France, where it was the Wehrmacht, the German Army, in Denmark, it was the admiralty, the German navy, and these people were the worst of the worst. You know, many of them were SS officers. And within the hierarchy of the Nazi machine, in the SD, they had different divisions and they were some were dedicated to rooting out resistance. Others were dedicated to intelligence. But there was one group Roman numeral four before and their sole purpose. It was called the Jewish affairs group. But in reality, what they were commonly called is the Jew hunting squad. And it was their job to go out and find the, in the Netherlands, the nearly 25,000 Jews that were thought to be in hiding. So when they're out there doing this. So now, so and I'm assuming now Anne Frank her family, the other folks, the von doms, they're all part of this 25,000 that have not been accounted for. Correct. Yeah, they would be 8 of the 25,000 that did not either voluntarily report for deportation or did or were not caught and rounded up in the various roundups that they had. Based on the records the Germans had did they know the names or did they just know we have, we have ten people we know about 8 or gone, there's got to be two missing.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Scenes in World War II. When the American the allies are coming into France and you see the women and all these places, she's a collaborator, so she gets her hair cut, you know, ostracized, the Nazi symbol carved in their forehead, things like that. Yeah. I mean, just incredible how once the war ended, the number of people who were singled out. And in many cases, well deserved. I mean, there were some people that completely jump ship and were with the Nazis and, you know, we're just trying to actually enrich themselves through the efforts of selling to the war. But so that first investigation, you have to look at it and put it into context to say why it wasn't done properly. And it was done in 1948. Nobody in 1948 knew who Anne Frank was. Anne Frank was just one of hundreds of thousands. Yeah, hundreds of thousands. There was estimated a 150,000 Jews in the nether ones at that time. And she was just one of the victims, you know? Over a 102 or a 104,000 Dutch Jews out of the 150,000. And when I say Dutch Jews, not all of them had Dutch nationality. A lot of the German Jews and from other countries fled to the Netherlands, thinking that they would remain neutral, like they were in World War I, that wasn't in the cards. But what elevated then Anne Frank to the top of the collective consciousness then. Well, I think after the diary came out and was published. And it was published. It was not widely accepted. It was not widely popular when it first came out. It was, I have one of the first edition second printings of it. And it was, it wasn't even called the diary of Anne Frank. It was called the house behind translated from Dutch.
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"During the war. And so they recommended to the group that was trying to form this historical effort to get somebody from outside of the Dutch police. And perhaps even from outside of Europe, that could look at this and has worked cold cases before. Is an experience to tenured investigator and my colleague over there Hans said, well, I know somebody that recently retired from the FBI. I know his interest in World War II and perhaps he would be willing. To bet he doesn't have any investigative experience, but we're going to have to work through that. So he's got to prevent yeah, if we have a few detractors, I'll get to later in the Netherlands. Oh, I'll bet. They called this an amateurish effort. And also called rosemary Sullivan, who is holds the highest tenured position in the university of Toronto in as an accomplished writer that is numerous awards and especially focuses on this time period of history called her a lightweight. So I mean, you can imagine the academic arrogance of term I never knew until we dipped into this that has come out of a few people in the Netherlands that have been very vocal in criticizing us coming in there and doing this and criticizing our results, which is a theory. They feel that we don't have the option we're not Dutch, we're not historians, so therefore we have no voice in this. I've seen that argument from authority before. It's like, well, you don't have the credentials. So therefore, you can't possibly have an opinion on this. It's like, yeah, I can have an opinion. And by the way, a lot of times you get locked into that box, you get that very constricted view you're in the echo chamber. But so let's talk about this. So because you mentioned a lot of things technology is going to have to play a role in this. So how did you, what prompted you to finally say yes, I'll do this. And by the way, you're retired. So is this all on your own time? Is there somebody helping defray at least some of the costs or some of the other investigative costs that go with this? What's the set up like for you to want to get involved with this? And how does that work going forward? Well, and once again, the exact questions that I asked. How do you see this playing out? And at the time, yeah, they had no funding. But we're asking questions of me. What do you think it would take for us to set up a team, what type of resources would you need, what kind of funding, how long would it take? I estimated it would maybe take a year and a half, but even before these questions were answered, I needed to ask the questions, what was done before this? And any cold case investigation you want to know, what were the previous investigations? Was it attempted before? What were the results? Were there any loose threads? Was there anything left hanging? What type of the job were the first two investments? And for you, 70 years later, I mean, what kind of documents still exist, you know? Exactly. Yeah, and not just investigative reports, but what kind of historical documents exist and did you find them? Or do we still need to look for them? I mean, and picture this. This is during a war and an occupied country. That was then retaken by the allies, and as we know, as the Nazis has the German Army were retreating, they would do as good as child as they could. At burning and getting rid of evidence related to the Holocaust. They didn't do a great job of it, and they were always trails behind. And in typical Nazi fashion, there's always duplicates and quadruplets. And I mean, they documented everything. They documented every person that got onto a train. Why? Because they were going to charge them for the transportation to the death camp. And those records still exist to this day. Have you ever visited the Holocaust museum here in Washington, D.C.? On many occasions. In fact, the chief archivist Ron Coleman is a friend of mine and one of the historians there, his wife, Rebecca evering, is one of the curators and well-known expert on the Holocaust appeared in the recent Ken burns films, what did American know? About the Holocaust. And I'll tell you when you walk in the smell, I still smell today. It's the smell of the shoe leather, the shoes. The place in front listeners, if you ever get the opportunity and you want a moving experience, go experience that. And you probably know this meant they even offer executive level, I don't want to call it a training course, but executive level sessions where and I did that. I called him. We set up an appointment, and I took my run notice to diffusion center at the time. I took my entire executive staff down there for a half a day. And man, if you don't come out there with a tear in your eye, you were one cold and hard to son of a gun. Do you know that's now part of the FBI curriculum at the academy that they go up in actually a new agents complete that course? Fantastic, fantastic. Yeah. Which is something that we're seeing at different Holocaust centers throughout the U.S., they're inviting the various law enforcement agencies into explain to them the Holocaust make them understand. And then sort of translate it to what we see happening today with hate group. And once again, we're studying history, so we don't make the same mistakes again. I love it. All right, well, continue on good sir, you are now, how long does it take you to make the decision that you said, I'm in? Okay, falling back to the requests of my wife for transfer. I said, listen, I've been retired for a little more than a year now. Are you getting tired of me? I would love to be able to do this project. And my wife has always been my biggest supporter. And she said, of course, this is something you have to do. So after I, again, did some background search. I asked them, I go, so you want to cold case. Are there any witnesses to interview? No, they're all dead. Are there documents relating to this? Is there anything I'm going to be able to find? Well, there's never been any real evidence found. Physical evidence found. Okay. And what about the prior investigations where there were two prior official investigations when in 1948 and one in 1963, and that struck me on man 63 from 1945, the war was over. That's a long time. And we'll get to that later on what actually prompted that. But found out that they never really had any conclusion. Hey players, that is the end of part one. Part two comes out, as always, on Tuesday. In the meantime, go check us out at game of crimes on Twitter at game of crimes podcast on Facebook and the Instagram. Also, go check out our website. Game of crimes, podcasts dot com. We've got a lot more information there, including our book list. 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"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Impossible to defeat yeah, and that's the thing now that now that you're enrolling biometrics on passports, I was talking to somebody from the CIA, the agency, as we say inside the beltway, but that has become an issue with they're going to resorting to what they call true name now. You're almost have to operate under your true name. And make sure because you now look at, you say you're doing a backstop, you can not go fake a social media history credibly or on LinkedIn history credibly. I've seen you've seen all those ones like they steal somebody's picture and they've only got two entries in the account was created 5 days ago. Yeah, okay. Right. But you got some sophisticated stuff. So but you're doing a lot of this. Because this is going to play into what we want to talk about. Did the issue of identity the issue of looking behind knowing who to find information, looking where people are going to document things. And as we talk about Anne Frank, the Germans and the Russians were almost alike in a lot of senses like there was a lot of paperwork for everything. There were documents for everything. So as you got towards the end of your career, how many years, 27 you said? 27 with a bureau and ate with my rich and police department. So you got 35 years in. As you start, as you start coming to your glide path, start to bring you to the end of your bureau career. When did Anne Frank start playing a factor in what you were doing before or after? Well, a little bit before in 2005, we made our first trip to the Netherlands. Our group in Miami. We did a lot of outreach and working with the various big 5 NATO partners, countries whose police departments recognized undercover operations and wanted to cooperate in joint backstopping. If we could backstop some of their undercovers from the Netherlands in the United States, it would make it that much more difficult for their criminals to investigate them and vice versa. Even off site locations, we created in various countries. And we were dealing with Poland, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark, Australia, it was a very similar technique and so we did some exchanges of undercovers with the Netherlands with the Dutch national police and it was during that time I was working with a Dutch undercover in Amsterdam and we drove past what is known as the Anne Frank house. And he pointed over to it and he goes over there is the Anne Frank house that you probably know a little bit about from the diary. And man, there was a line that was a people waiting to get in. It went almost around the entire block. And I said, wow, you know, man, if we have time, I would love to go over and see that. Because again, all tied into World War II, I also wanted to get down to the southern part of the Netherlands, where operation market garden took place because I had an uncle in my mother's side that took part in that in a way that in a glider with one of the airborne units. One of Montgomery's attempt at glory did not go so well. Not well. And that's where you got the movies like that's where they came up with the term a bridge too far. I think, you know, the bridge of Ramadan. You've got stuff like that. It's just like, yeah, it was Monty's attempt to upstage. Because this was after D-Day operation market garden was after D-Day, and that was supposed to be we're gonna crush Germany and course Germany had other plans and it didn't go didn't go according to our plans. No, and that whole thing jumping forward into the whole Anne Frank story. I mean, they had a legal radios in that house, which was really an annex that was behind auto Frank's former business. They're listening to what's happening. DD happens June 6th, 1945 or 1944. They're excited. Oh my God, the Americans are here. The British are here. Finally, the Canadians are here. You know, there's going to be an effort. Then they hear what's going on in market garden, and they're super excited. I mean, auto Frank with D-Day is literally tracking on a pin map that still remains to this day there. Tracking the progress of the allies thinking, you know, we're finally after more than two years, we're going to be able to get out of this place. And only to have their hopes stash. But when we drove by getting back to what brought me to it, when we drove by with the undercover, he said, you know, I'd love to take you there, but we don't have time. We have to get to this appointment. And I never made it back there to go through the house and experience that at that time, nor did we have time to go to the southern part of the Netherlands, which is only a few hours away. The Netherlands really isn't that big of a country. And so, but that always remained in the back of my mind. And then after I retired, November 2014, on my I was literally, I joked that I was on the beach with my wife. But I was actually on the way to the beach with my wife when I get a call from the head of the Dutch undercover unit that I dealt with at that time. And then the reason you are still in Miami is because your wife made the wise decision. Yes. We are not going to Johnstown. We're not going back. Otherwise, you might have been going to a farmer's field with jedediah to pick a hay and put up a building. And we're going to the accordion festival. Yeah. That's what I may have been done. That would have been fun, but it only lasts so long, right? It does. Yeah. And that's the way retirement was. I helped my daughter out with her business. She was a bridal designer for a year. I did a lot of that logistics traveling with her to bridal shows and fashion week in New York. And I got a call from the head of the Dutch undercover unit who said, hey, I have a case for you. And I said, yeah, but Hans Schmidt is his name. He's now since retired. I said, I'm retired, you know that. He goes, no, no, it's not that kind of case. It's more of a historic case. Sort of a mind exercise that I know you're interested in World War II. I know your father's connection. And what may have caused the betrayal of Anne Frank, you know? And we say betrayal, but later we changed that. What caused the raid to happen? On August 4th of 1944, that resulted in the capture of Anne Frank
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"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Crossed my mind? Especially when my wife went on the house hunting trip, calls me. I'm pointing on joining her over the weekend. I was going to leave from Quantico. I planned on joining her. And she said, this is a nice area out here, but I think at that time it was the beginning of March. And she said, and they're very modern here. I think they have electric cars. And I go, dear electric cars, what are you talking about? She says, yeah, I see cars. I'm looking out the hotel windows. They're plugged in. I said, well, I have news for you. They're plugged in so they don't freeze overnight. They're not modern. So at that time, you would go to a small to medium office for three to 5 years, and then they would rotate you to a major office. One of the top 12 or top 15. And they asked me, I really made an effort to bust my butt there and do a good job because I wanted to make sure to end up in an office of preference. And so I put down Washington, D.C., but Miami was my number one choice. And I remember the day I got the call from our SEC who said, yep, you ended up in Miami. You can now thaw out after four years. So when did you end up in Miami? I landed in Miami in May of 1992. And when did you punch out for Bogotá for Colombia? I headed out in June 1991. So we were just following each other, brothers. Fallen to the academy following to Miami. Yeah. Well, and then I followed him to Bogotá too because we did a lot of work with the guys out of the DEA office in Bogotá because they had such a big presence there because I ended up in Miami on the Columbian drug squad, which was N three and then later D three. So just reminisce then with Murphy, do you remember some of the guys you worked with from DEA down there? Yeah, bob versus was one of the agents. Now I don't know, bob, when he was stationed in 400. Yeah, he was stationed in waterdale. He was our primary contact down there. And we did a lot of great cases together. You know, people say that the DEA and FBI didn't work together. That really wasn't true in Miami. I mean, there was a necessity for a lot of the squads to work together. And the squad that Murph was on. What was that? I was in group ten, the Caribbean. C ten? Group ten. That group worked primarily with our sister squad, which was D 5. And Mike taft choked cicarelli, a lot of those guys worked day in and day out with the ones from group ten. Yeah, when I transferred to Bogotá, my partner at that time was Kevin Stevens, who we've had on the show. And we had informed long story short. We ended up combining with one of the bureau squads. I think it was D 5 because we were informant. We were representing ourselves undercover as we could provide transportation of anything at any time anywhere. Boats, planes, mules, whatever you needed. And the bureau had already had an undercover business set up on the Miami river. So it just all coincided together and then I took off to language school and down to South America, but they went on and made a hugely successful case out of that. Yeah, I'm totally familiar with that case. The undercover was an Ebola gonzo as we know him, an ibo Gonzalez. And thank you, right. Yep. And yeah, some of the stories that came out of that were just incredible. Small world. Well, here we go. Again, we're all it used to be 6° of Kevin Bacon, then it's 3° of law enforcement. If you don't know somebody, I only had a small tour down there while you guys were there as planned Columbia, but during 2000, but I noticed when I was reading the bio, you talked about working with dos, which is like their immigration folks. And I was working with the direct shield nationality, stupid vasanti, the DNA, Gabriel marchand, I believe, was the director of it at that time. And yeah, we just had, we just had a great time, stayed down and deno royal call. Oh, I got to tell you too. So funny, the fun. I may have told this story before, but you know, you get old and stuff. One of the funniest things, I'm down there with a guy who had just punched out of the agency. He was an operations officer. And we were going to go down and work on playing Columbia and I'm one of those people. I just like to mess with people just like to have little fun. So we're in the lobby of the Indiana Royale and there's two guys got military haircuts. I'm going to watch this. Because we got here, we don't look like anybody and it's like, hey, you guys are Americans. Hey, how you doing? What do you guys do? So I start in the hey, what's your name? What do you do? Just start chatting them up. And because I'll tell you about my interview interrogation story later with the bureau. And it's just like, hey, what do you got? Well, you know, we're foreign service, you know, oh, really, when you go back to the airport, maybe we can catch a ride with you and stuff. They're like, give us the hell away from the guy. So him and I, we got to figure out what we're gonna do. So we leave, we start walking, but what we saw, these guys ended up meeting later in the lobby. And there's always that guy. You know he's agency because he's got that freaking khaki vest on. And named bob Mike Bill, you know? Paul. That was lying down there, Bill Paul. And then there's looks like there's some Colombians there too, like military officers. And then they all go off and you know, him and I are thinking out, look, we got to go find something. So we're walking around and we find this restaurant. And we walk in and it's kind of like empty. You can hear stuff above us, but it's like empty on the main floor and the lady walks up and she goes, oh, your party's upstairs, and we're going, oh, okay, so we walk upstairs. And guess who we run into, Paul, and bob from the CIA and all those other guys. He walks up and he says, hey, this is a private party. And I said, oh, really, hey, what's your name? What do you guys do? And we're just fine. I mean, you know, as much as you try to blend in there. You don't. You don't. It sticks out. I mean, you're from one of the three letter agencies. Yeah, and then we went up, we ate at Montserrat. So that was the power wasn't exactly reliable and Bogotá we had just made it up the cable car got off and the power went out. People stuck on the cable car, but all of us were up there, but fortunately, the Montserrat they used gas to cook with. So we were like we were good. We ate by candlelight. We cooked our meals, but what a fun time. This first place I actually got real Colombian coffee. I knew it was Colombian because I bought it there. Well, that whole experience of Montserrat did either of you ever take the opportunity. I'm sure it may be Murph, you did. On the weekend, especially on Sundays, they sort of have this thing where you start at the bottom. You don't take the cable car and you hike the trail up to the top to the monastery. Have either of you done that? Not me. No. Well, an incredible experience. Well, after a series of a couple technical glitches, we are back. So don't worry if it sounds a little disjointed. That's just a normal day for us. Well, you know, you got Murphy on here and everybody knows about Murphy's law and let me tell you, that's something I live with every day of my life. I'm just going to have to have Murph literally phoned it in next time. I'll just have him listen in for my slide and we'll do it. Hey, but I want to ask you before we move on. I just realized I forgot to ask, did you catch any Russians though? In Milwaukee? We didn't catch any Russians. However, during that time period surprisingly, there was a Russian based business that was based outside of Milwaukee was the Belarus tractor factory. Nobody could figure why there was this tractor factory that was Russian owned that was there. It was some kind of economic exchange. It turned out probably all they were trying to do was still the Briggs and Stratton and tecumseh, air cooled engine technology, but the game was trying to figure out who the Russian intelligence officials were that actually worked in the factory. Yeah, and trying to find because they would have been technically they would have been under non official cover. They would have been called illegals because you got legal residents and then illegal residents and they would have been having to offer operate right as an illegal, right? Right? Yeah, they were, they were posing as management within certain offices of the tractor factory. But the question always was, well, which one of them was the one or more? Which one? And here it is, a tractor factory produces no tractors, but yet they seem to hold a lot of meetings, right? And the only other thing we had, we did have a Russian student caught in one of the dumpsters digging in a dumpster, she was attended the university of Wisconsin Madison, which is the main campus, and they caught her digging in the dumpster and chip falls, which is probably about three hours away. And the great security Carter and then released her and because she didn't steal anything. And but who knows what she was looking for. And then whenever the Madison resident agency went to try to talk to her and find her at the college, she was gone. Of course. Yeah. Well, but you know what? You know and I know what they're looking for. I mean, you wouldn't believe the stuff people throw away that ends up in the trash that can give you names, passwords, phone numbers. Information. Absolutely. My wife thinks I'm crazy because most of the stuff we get in the mail. I put in the shred box and I shred it myself. I've got a nice shredder and she's like, why do you keep doing that? Well, have we been hacked yet? Which I probably shouldn't have said that on here because now people are going to hack me, aren't they? They're going to do it just out of principle. Well, I actually we had our identity stolen as probably just about every American through the data breaches that have gone on, either at OPM, if you were a government worker, but even I think it was experience. And then Elio, the law enforcement online, somebody there was a breach, and there was just another breach lately to usually third party contractors or somebody allowing access. The only thing that ticked me off about the OPM breach. I figured the Chinese were going to have all of our information at some point anyway. But I'm the one with the clarence and the family, not my wife. Who do you think got the letter 90 days before I got my letter? Just shows you the level of important you have there, Morgan. The poor guy that was, he was a Haitian who bought the info from the dark web and filed for credit card under my name. And knew what it was coming to the house because I hadn't signed up for postal informed delivery, which if you haven't done that, do it now. It shows you in an email every day what's coming in your mail. Well, he had signed up under my name to a false email, saw one a credit card was supposed to be coming to my house. Luckily, I already knew when it was coming. And he showed up at the mailbox and I was there. So he's now in the FBI always gets their man. This time it worked. Well, I get the same thing too. I've got the U.S. post office in form. It's even got the mobile app too. I think they changed, but it's, we've got a we've got a person who delivers the mail who is challenged. And I would say it's a safe bet to say one out of every 5 times. Our mail ends up in our neighbor's mailbox or their mail ends up in ours. And it's like, how could you drive down a street shove a bunch of melon to it, and then bypass three more mailboxes going, apparently nobody has mail today. And then anyway, I think his brother or sister works down here in Orlando, because holy cow. They're all related when you figure it out they're all related. But hey, let's kind of wind back, I don't want to, we're going to get into a lot of your bureau stuff as we talk about the Anne Frank case, but like you said, you work ten years down in Miami. So as you were going through your bureau career, at what point did this start becoming of interest to you? In other words, was it only until you had retard and you became a retard, not a former, not an ex, but a retired, right? At what point did Anne Frank start registering on your radar? Well, like most children in America during middle school, we read the diary of Anne Frank, although our teacher at that time, I think it was 8th grade, only it was one of the suggested readings, and we only had to read a few chapters and do a book report on it. Other than that, I mean, it wasn't in my mind. World War II was always on my mind because, again, as we spoke about earlier, I grew up with so many of the different war television shows combat the rat patrol, the different movies throughout the formative years, hearing my dad and his brothers talk about their wartime and my dad's unit in his account of liberating a small sub camp of Dachau. This would have been in probably early May of 1945, World War II and that topic is always been on my mind. I love to read about it. I love to educate myself on it. It's a very broad topic. I'm right there with you. My dad was a World War II and a Vietnam vet got out right before you. Yeah, it came back in. I was born at a military base. Huge World War II buff. And it actually in high school, the senior play, I date myself too, but I graduated high school in 1978, but I was mister von DOM in the diary of Anne Frank. We actually did the play. Our Janice schueller was misses Van Damme. And so I remember it was different too, because we did the play, and I think the play was more historically accurate. It wasn't like today where you take a lot of liberties and you put stuff on TV like made for TV, like Merck, you might have a little experience with that. What's the old standard ratio you kind of give an arcos in terms of what's accurate, what's in the ballpark and what's just pure BS. So in narco as you figure about a third of it is true, a third of it, those events happen, but they're not depicted correctly and that last third are just straight out of Hollywood bullshit. But it made an exciting series, you know? We call it literary liberties. Literary license artistic licenses, as the French would say, artistic license. And it's right in your contract. There's nothing you can do about it. But as you go through your bureau career, so where do you end up that? Was your final post? Where do you retire from? I actually retired out of Miami. When I landed there in 92, ended up on the Colombian squad. For ten years, and then lo and behold, 9 11 happens. And when 9 11 happened, we sort of got diverted a little bit because I mean, that was all hands on deck, right? I know this too from my work at DoJ, but 12 of the 19 hijackers, I think, had a nexus in Florida right or even more? Absolutely. 12 of them had an excess here. And because the terrorism squad at that time didn't have the telephone exploitation skills that are Colombian drug squad did because our Britain butter was telephone exploitation and wiretaps. That was what our squad did better than any other. And you and Murph both love writing applications for title threes, right? Titles freeze. What you guys love to do, right? It was our bread and butter, you know? And you know, Murph can tell you how hard it is to infiltrate a Colombian group with an undercover. Now you can utilize sources, but you know, they got all smart and onto that. So the one way to kind of defeat them was through Tapping their phones. And because at that time, dumping a phone was very common and usually tried to defeat law enforcement efforts, but we became so skilled at being able to exploit everything about a phone. I tell people nowadays, give me your cell phone. I can tell you everything about you. I could tell you your Friends, your enemies. I could tell where you eat, where you live, who your girlfriends are. Banking habits. Everything from your cell phone. And you can create a pattern of life. And even if you change your number, you know events, we could probably find a new number. Right, and we would do that because your circle never really changes. And so we were so good at that that after the first couple of days went by and everybody was, you know, it's like that punch in a fight that first punch, you're a little bit stunned. And I think the bureau and all the law enforcement agencies were a little stunned at 9 11. But then you get back into the flight and they came down to us and said, listen, you guys are better at this than us. What can you do? So myself and about 12 other people, including gonzo, who I mentioned Murph earlier was the undercover on the river rats case. He and my partner Enrique and a bunch of the other guys that were used to this type of exploitation, we formed a squad and we worked for about three months on nothing but exploiting the hijackers phone numbers. And we found so much information. It was incredible. We tracked it back down to the Hamburg cell. We identified that, which that was Muhammad atta was basically came out of Hamburg over here in the waffle House. I mean, we can same thing wouldn't go through all the. And you know, you were talking about a little thing. We were discussing this. We may have been offline at the time, but you were talking about NCIC offline. And I was talking about, you know, and that's the thing too. When they went back and they looked at it, this is one of the things that drove my work down at the Department of Justice, but you had no off Al hazmi was stopped. Here's an example. Stop by the Oklahoma highway patrol in April. Written a traffic ticket. So you know he was checked to see if he had warrants so he would have had an entry in NCIC checked his registration driver's license. He's put on a State Department watch list in August, why would you put somebody on a watch list who's already in the country? Yes. Yeah. I mean, he's already here. It's defeating the purpose of it unless he would leave and come back. And of course, that wasn't. That wasn't going to stop him at that point. What a him if he'd been on the watch list. I'm watching I'm watching fancier on a camera and we only post our audio, but we see each other on video and I can see how excited you're getting. And I can imagine those guys coming down saying, what can you guys do and you're looking at them going, hold my beer. That was about it. And I mean, we worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day. Working with all of the different agencies and technical capabilities. And we had people within our own office and outside of it said, what does this matter? They're dead. What does this matter? And I go, you really hear yourself exactly. What we're thinking is that these hijackers, there may be more. This may be wave one, there's wave two, wave three. I want to know who their circles are. Yes, they're dead. We can't prosecute them, but we have to determine how this happened, who assisted them, is there going to be another incident that happens out of it, which was a tactic of Al-Qaeda and stuff they would have the attack and then you would have follow on attacks and you would Tanzania, Kenya, we think about the embassy. I mean, Nairobi used to think about the embassy bombings. So yeah, it's for somebody to go, well, what's good is that. Well, I guess we just shouldn't investigate it at all then, huh? And I told them that I did a month in Kenya. In Nairobi after the embassy bobbing, but I was there with a S.W.A.T. unit. We were providing security for the different investigative teams that would come in. But as my time there, we became familiar with how it happened, where it happened, how it also happened in Tanzania. So, and many of these agents on the Miami terrorism squad never came in contact with anything like this before. I mean, it just wasn't something that they experienced. But if you think about it, if you're the people that we know about are the suicide bombers, those are the identities. If they're willing to let you sacrifice your life, you're expendable. You're not the brains of the operation. For somebody to ask you, they're all dead. The idea is that's very short sighted thinking on their part. Oh, it is. And the amount of information that we developed out of the cell phones were it was just amazing people. Well, let me ask you a question. Answer to
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"Have been a small seizure for the DEA menace. A plain lobe. How many pounds of weed was on the plane? I'm not, I don't remember, but if you take a look at it, I mean, they were bills, which of course were nicknamed tubas for us because when they would kick them out. But they were bales. And it went from the back of the cockpit area all the way to the tail of the plane. So I'm going to say 30, 40 bales, which as you even got within 20 yards of the plane. You can get a contact. Stuff stinks, doesn't it? Yes. Especially being in clothes. No wonder those guys couldn't land the Flank. We're all freaking high. But they just didn't count on it, but that was the biggest drug intervention that we were seeing there at that time. But that's whenever I unlocked Dale fry's car that was the start of a long relationship that I had with him. And then the next time, I just found an old news article about this in 1984 and it looks like there was an estimated three to four tons of weed on that plane. Personal personal use. There you go. Man, you guys spoken all that weed. Yeah, yeah. But it was destined though. Where did you say it was supposed to land first Pittsburgh and it got diverted? Yeah, it was diverted from Pittsburgh because of the Pittsburgh airport being fogged in. So I got it wrong. This was a D.C. 6 carrying nearly ten tons of weed. Wow. Okay, I guess that would a DEA might have been interested in that one, Steve. But you know what? I mean, nobody wants to handle it is the case agent because you got to process all that dope and that is what a mess. Oh man, you take a sample right. You don't take samples out of all the bales and then haul it off and they'll burn it. Wow. And then watch all the people with no jobs and nothing to do hanging out by their selling munchies, you know, and having a good old time. And then we had the honor or dishonor of having to sit there and watch it until they could figure out, okay, who's jurisdiction, is it? Where are we going to unload it? And then I was with one of the local pilots who they cast to try to pull the thing out of the mud with the combination of a tow truck and then powering up the engines. And so I'm in the plane with them and he's powering it up and it's rocking and jumping and I looked over and his name was bob augustino. He was The Crown American corporation jet pilot. He flew a Canadian air for them. And I said, you are certified on this plane. He goes, oh no. Because I've never flown one of these in my life, but he goes, it's all about the same. That's not a prerequisite. No. No, try to think what movie was there was a fun one, too, and I can't remember they're buying a chop or whatever they got this pilot they go, well, how much time have you got in this chopper? He looks down at us as well. He goes 15 minutes. Well, needless to say, I didn't volunteer to take off with him to fly to wherever it was going to be sitting for the that was a smart decision there. He might take off is not the problem landing is. Let's talk about a couple more things where we talk about your shed career because I want to really get in and dig into Anne Frank. But you were telling us before we started, there was a couple you worked security for a couple of famous movies that were made in a couple actors like Paul Newman and Tom Cruise happened to be hanging around your neck of the Woods. Well, actually, yeah, when the slap shot movie was going on, I was finishing up high school and in college. So we were able it was a big thing in Johnstown. Everybody wanted to go to the games and watch the filming and that was my first introduction to really the movie magic as they would call it. But then while I was on the police department, the movie all the right moves starring Tom Cruise was being filmed in the greater Johnstown area. And so they based a lot of it in the city itself, but also in the neighboring municipalities. And they were, they were staging all their trailers out of the university of Pittsburgh at Johnstown parking lots for a couple of the scenes. And so I'm there in uniform just hired as contract security through the police department. And there's a young Tom Cruise with a football because it was a football movie throwing it to himself throwing it the ball up in the air, catching it up in the air and catching it. So I figured, well, I don't even really know him at that point. I walk over to him and say, okay, I'm going along. And he hauls off throws the ball to me and we spent the next half hour pitching and catching the ball and just having a normal conversation. Did he try to convert you to Scientology, though? I don't think he was quite there yet. Yeah, I don't think the during that time period, he seemed quite normal. That's pretty cool story, though. Yeah, that's going to say, did you get a chance to meet Paul Newman? I did not. My wife's father, though, at the time, he had a twin brother, and they were featured in one of the scenes, I think, did get to see him. And one of the policemen on the police department, his girlfriend at that time, who was a figure skater, which played into the whole theme of the movie, was hired as a supporting actress in the movie to be one of the girlfriends of the skaters of the Johnstown team at that time. Very cool. Look at your brush with greatness. Well, I have another brush with greatness for you. For you, and you may be unaware of this. So you got under the bureau, what year did you go to the academy? I was scheduled to go at the end of 1987, that's a story in and of itself. But I actually went in the beginning of 1988 starting the first class
Game of Crimes
"anne frank" Discussed on Game of Crimes
"I everybody's like this, so I said, screw this, I went over and said, Mark, I do a podcast called game of crimes. I told them about you. I said, but we had Ed Davis on there. And we got to talk a little bit about Ed Davis because we did the whole Boston Marathon. I told him we were reviewed the movie patriots day on that. I mean, he let me have about 90 seconds of his time. So I got all that stuff in there, but we're at this place called Wally's wine bar over a big, huge Hilton thing. Conrad's area, but he was such a nice guy. Got to talk with him for a little bit. And I told him I said, hey, Ed told me that you took him by your gym. He said, but I didn't want to show up at 3 o'clock in the morning to work out and he got a big chuckle out of that. I said, no, he did not. You know, he's very pro doing things for his community, especially with the opioid crisis. It's going on. He supported DEA and he participates when they have the get togethers for the high school students. And where you might bring in a few hundred students, he can pack in like 23,000. So I mean, hats off to Mark Wahlberg for what he's doing. And I told him to I said God bless him too for doing his tunnel to towers things. There's two things I give to regularly. Actually three things. The officer down memorial page, the national law enforcement officers memorial and tunnel to towers those folks out there doing the lord's work and we appreciate them so murf. Good job, Mark. Good job, marky Mark. Guess what though? What? This is a show about crime. We talk about bad people doing bad things and bad people doing bad things to good people. We take these stories seriously, but as we've evidenced over all of these episodes, what? What never take ourselves seriously? And we're not going to hell no. And I've got some fun. Because Salt Lake City airport sucks when you have to walk four and a half miles. It took us 45 minutes to get out of the airport. Guess who I'm picking on this week? Oh, I bet it's Utah. I'm picking on Utah. So let's talk
History Unplugged Podcast
"anne frank" Discussed on History Unplugged Podcast
"And you know, like with a standard of living that was maybe akin to what we have today and suddenly there are whole world is upended and destroyed and then three quarters of the population was murdered within a period of 15 months. And so you get this very, very clear picture of that from his writing. One interesting fact about the experiences of the Dutch Jewish community and maybe interesting isn't the right word. I may horrifying is better, but 75% perished in the war while in other Western European countries, the proportions were lower. So how does that fact square with narratives that you read and how do you make sense of these different things? So I think that's the big part of the reason that I wanted to write this book, especially because I think through no fault of her own Anne Frank's diary leaves a lot of people with the impression that the Dutch were protective of the Jewish community or of their Jewish neighbors and that there was a certain resistance culture here. And so I was very perplexed when I first moved here about the disconnect between that image that I had in my mind and also the image of the Netherlands and in particular Amsterdam as being a place of refuge for Jews who had come here since the inquisition and made homes and been allowed to practice their religion and live openly and so on when other parts of Europe that had not been the case and still the Netherlands maintains this reputation as being a very liberal open and progressive society. So I couldn't really understand how is it possible that 75% of the Dutch Jewish community had perished in that nobody really talked about it and also that it was hard to find Jewish people who admitted to being Jewish because as one of my friends said to me, the Jewish community here is still in hiding, which made a really was very resonant for me. So I wanted to explore the reasons for that in my book. And I will not say that I could sum it up in one sentence why that happened or how that happened because I think the whole book is basically exploring the various different factors that led to that situation. You know, it's very easy for us to look at the past and wag a finger and say, well, they did that badly and we would have done better if we knew or we could have done this or that or and I think that's part of the reason that looking at the war from the perspective of diaries, which are contemporaneous, looking at how people lived through it made choices saw themselves perceived their world was very important.
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"anne frank" Discussed on History Unplugged Podcast
"And that is the diary of Anne Frank. Was she in particular inspired by this call and how does her work stand out amongst the archival collection? So yeah, it's very interesting. Of course, I'm Frank. She was called here. It was working. She had a diary from the age of 13. She had gotten it as a present for her 13th birthday from her father, and she had started writing it in it when she was in hiding. By 1944, it had already been many months that they had been in hiding. But she heard this radio address by bokeh Stein and she noted in her own diary that everybody immediately pounced on my diary and said, you know, everybody would be really interested to read this after the war. Maybe you can get it published and so on. So what Ann did was that she started rewriting her diary. So what she had called kitty before she now renamed the secret annex and she started to work on it as a novel. She said, it is something like a detective novel. So that's the reason that we have different versions of Anne's diary too, because it's certain point thanks to bulgar stone. She turned to imagine that her work might be published someday. And so she revised it, she went back to earlier entries and changed them. And began to really think of herself as an author and not just a young girl keeping a diary. And her particular story in the scope of the archives which has thousands of other accounts like it does, it still stand out or do other accounts sort of rise to the level you could say of her account. Well, her is undeniably stands out. I think what happened was Anne's diary came to the attention of the neon and they did try to collect it, but Otto Frank was already in the process of trying to get it published. So in fact, it didn't get donated to the archive until I think it was 1980. But it was part of the neon archive too. So it's one of the 2000 that's part of the collection. And in terms of whether it was better or worse than the others, I think it's also a matter of taste, obviously, not clearly not every diary in the collection is a literary masterpiece, but a lot of them are much better than you would imagine. There are a number of other ones that are also famous. Like Eddie hillesum's diary, and the diary now of David kocher, which was recently published, and the diarrhea of Apple herzberg, who was a historian, very important Dutch historian in the post war period. And for me, the diary of Philip mechanicus, who was a mid career journalist at the time that he was arrested, and sent to camp westerbork, is also like a real literary gem that has been overlooked and really hasn't been, I mean, it was published both in Dutch and in English, but not really not in English since the 1960s. And it's just not known as much as it could be. So I think people really respond Anne's diary because it's the diary of a young girl.
Mark Levin
Mark Levin: The Left Make Comparisons to Hitler Without Consequences
"See this is the dumbing down of history ladies and gentlemen that's what it is The dumbing down a history then you hear Navarro in the background An incredibly stupid human being nasty stupid human being They're comparing vaccine cards to the yellow stars where people are comparing vaccinate So she's over talking kohlberg who's trying to make the part that there's nothing to distinguish what's been going on with the Jews for 5000 years from anybody else and Navarro saying no no but look look at the Trump people and the others comparing a vaccinations to Anne Frank and so forth and son The people who do the most comparisons to Hitler are on the left And they do it without consequence And on occasion there should be comparisons but they do without consequence they do it over and over and over again to president Trump Or anyone they disagree with
Mark Levin
Whoopi Goldberg: 'The Holocaust Is Not About Race'
"Let's listen to cut one Go We'll also if you're going to do this then let's be truthful about it because the Holocaust isn't about race No No It's not about Race But it's not about race It's not about because it's about man's inhumanity to man That's what it's about But it's about white supremacy It's not about but these are white groups of people Without a way of as white men And then what you're missing the point You're missing the point The minute you turn it into race it goes down this alley Let's talk about it for what it is It's how people treat each other It's a problem It doesn't matter if you're black or white because black white Jews it's everybody eats each other So is it if you're uncomfortable if you hear about mouse Should you be worried Should your child say oh my God I wonder if that's me No that's not what they're gonna say They're gonna say I don't wanna be like that Well hopefully Oh and it'd be cool Most kids most kids they don't want to be cool No they don't You know we're living in an era where people are comparing vaccine cards to the yellow stars where people are comparing the vaccinations to what Anne Frank wants to do So it is necessary for kids to learn about worry about man's inhumanity to man how ever it exposes itself I have to cut you off I just want to say that now with van and include her All right I get a headache from these buffoons Let's try and figure this out Why does Whoopi Goldberg keep saying this isn't about race Is she utterly unfamiliar with Adolf Hitler's writings and statements
This Day in History Class
"anne frank" Discussed on This Day in History Class
"A fifty two year old when she was around eighteen they only stayed together for a few months. Barnes began writing an early age to support her mother and brothers. She studied at pratt institute. And the art students league of new york for a while and she worked as a freelancer writing for magazines and newspapers. Like the brooklyn. daily eagle. The new york press new york world magazine and new york morning telegraph. A lot of her work was so called stunt journalism that was subjective for instance in nineteen fourteen. She opted to be force fed to experience what suffrage is on hunger strikes. Were going through. In addition to her journalism barnes was also writing poems short stories and one act plays as well as creating drawings that were being published in small press magazines in one thousand nine fifteen. Her chat book called the book of repulsive women. Eight rhythms and five drawings was published. The chat book contained lesbian imagery at a time when writing was being censored for sexual content but the collection avoided censorship as sensors in some readers did not always stand the references in the work. Barnes got some recognition for three. One act plays that were produced by a collective called the province town players in nineteen nineteen nineteen twenty. Barnes moved to periods in the nineteen twenty s joining artists and writers goals in the city's left bank in nineteen twenty two. She interviewed writer. James joyce for vanity fair and in one thousand nine hundred eighty three published. A collection of poetry plays in stories called a book. Writer barnes's first novel was published in nineteen twenty eight. The chapters in the book are written in different styles and it's believed to be somewhat autobiographical. It contained themes of sexuality and polygamy and it was censored was published when barnes and her editor were told to get rid of some of the text and drawings in the book barnes called for astronauts to replace the sensor parts so that there was quote matter for no speculation where since continuity and beauty have been damaged as she put it in the forward to the book. Her second novel night would was published in nineteen. Thirty six is considered one of the most influential novels of the modernist period. If follows the love affairs of a woman named robin vote in paris and it was noted for explicitly purchased lesbian relationships it contained moments of humor and moments of tragedy and it to had to be edited because of concerns about censorship. The book got good reviews but it didn't sell well after night where was published barnes dealt with depression. Alcoholism and illness. She stopped writing and return to new york city for the rest of her life. She lived in an apartment in greenwich village. During these years barnes became somewhat reclusive. her verse. play. The antiphon was first published in nineteen fifty eight and drew on her own family. Relationships and her collection of poetry creatures in an alphabet was published in one thousand nine hundred two. Barnes wrote mostly poetry in the last two decades of her life but she didn't publish as much as she had previously died in one thousand nine hundred to some of her early works were reprinted after her death and her writing has received renewed interest. I'm steph coat and hopefully you know a little more of history today than you did yesterday and you can hit us up on social media at t d. I h c podcast on facebook twitter and instagram. You can also send us an email at this day at iheartmedia dot com. Thanks again for listening to the show. And we'll see you tomorrow for more podcasts. From i heart radio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows the time for defense organizations to harness the power of the cloud is now discover how you can leverage cloud solutions to advance your mission. At part three of gd it emerged 2021 registered today at gd dot com slash emerge mattress warehouse. Knows that buying a mattress can be tough with so many choices. Where do you start introducing bed match a patented diagnostic system. That determines your pressure points and recommends the mattresses that are best for your individual sleep needs and it's found only mattress warehouse come. Try that match at a mattress warehouse near you. Visit sleep happens dot com for locations and get free next day delivery on. Select purchases house dot com..
This Day in History Class
The Biography of Anne Frank
"The day was june twelfth. Nineteen twenty nine jewish girl named analysts. Murray frank better known as an frank was born in frankfurt on mine. Germany to eat in otto frank and frank is well known for her story of persecution. During the holocaust and in her family went into hiding in nineteen forty two during the german occupation of the netherlands in world war two. The family was soon discovered in sent to cuss in training camps. An's father auto was the only one in the family to survive the holocaust but an frank had kept a diary during her time in hiding which otto worked hard to get published. The diary has now been translated into many languages sold. Millions of copies and has been adapted for other mediums and frank was born into a family of modest wealth and prominence auto was a well to do businessman but after the nazis came to power in germany and parents decided to move to amsterdam away from so much anti semitism and a suffering economy amsterdam auto company that dealt impacted which is a substance used as a setting agent in jams and jellies and father mother and older sister marcotte immigration i and an joint them in amsterdam february of nineteen thirty four but beginning in may of nineteen forty nazi germany occupied amsterdam. After and her family had settled into life in amsterdam. Living in the netherlands became dangerous as the nazis began to persecute jewish. People an was forced to transfer from a public school to a jewish school in september of nineteen forty one in nineteen forty two on her thirteenth birthday and got a plaid diary. But as nazis began to send jewish people to concentration camps and marcotte got a letter saying she needed to report for work at a labor camp. The frank family went into hiding on july six. They began living in an attic of autos office at princeton god to sixty three in her diary and called their hiding spot. The secret annex the entrance to the hiding spot was behind a movable bookcase some of those friends and colleagues including me. he's smuggled food clothes supplies and information to the franks
ESPN FC
Cavani Disallowed Goal vs Tottenham
"Kick things off by welcome into the show. Don't actress anne anne frank leboeuf. We're wondering where to start today. And then stephen nicholson's in and goes against pretty much. Everybody said on yesterday's show and he said it was the right decision to disallow cavani. Go in the spurs yesterday. The floor is yours. Stevie as much as beautiful between paul byrne cavani truth is if a player strikes another player in the face. a scenario makovsky. No question is using these right arm to defend off these opposition. Which is fine if he sees them in the army. Catch him in the shoulder. These are all things that we all accept because as a contact sport. However you're allowed regardless of whether you mean meena on. Aw you're not allowed to catch it opponent in the face and mccormick catch them in the face and nobody has said he didn't catch him in the face but why is everybody saying. It's not a foul.
TED Talks Daily
How Creative Writing Can Help You Through Life's Hardest Moments
"Have you ever seen something and you wish you could have said something but you it a second question i have. Has something ever happened to you. You never said anything about it though you should have. I'm interested in this idea. Action of the difference between seeing something which is basically passively observing in the actual act of bearing witness bearing witness means. Running down have seen something. You have heard something you have experienced. The most important part of bearing witness is writing down its recording writing. Get down captures. The memory writing down acknowledges existence one of the biggest examples we have in history of someone very witness is anne frank's diary she simply wrote down. What was happening to her her family about confinement and in doing so we have a very intimate record of this family during one of the worst periods of our history. And i want to talk to you today about how creative writing to bear witness and i'm going to walk you through exercise which i'm going to do myself that i actually do with a lot of my collegiate students future. Engineers technicians plumbers basically. They're not creative writers. They don't plan on becoming creative writers. But we use exercises to kind of on salads things with mckean's silent. It's the way to kind of unburden ourselves and his three simple steps. So step one is to brainstorm around down and what. I have my students do. Is i get them across. The prompt is the time. When i want them to fill in that problem with times they might have experienced something heard something or seen something something they could have intervened but they didn't and i have them write it down as quickly as possible. So i'll give you example of some of the things. I would write down the time when a few months after nine. Eleven and two boys dare themselves to touch me and they did the time when i the time with my sister and i were walking in a city and dice ballot us and called us. Terrorists the way back. When when i went to very odd middle school and girls a couple of years older than me would be married off to men nearly double their age the time when a friend. Gummy the time. When i went to a going away luncheon for a co worker in a big boss questioned my lineage. Wants and there's times when i have seen something and i haven't intervened for example the time when i was on a train and i witnessed a father being his toddler son and i didn't do anything or the many times i've walked by someone who is homeless and in need the vaccine for money and i walked around him and i did not acknowledge their humanity. And let's go on and on but you wanna think of times when they might have happened sexually times when keeping things repressed and time with our families blessed our families. We loved them but at the same time. We don't talk about things so talk about the family member who has been using drugs or alcohol. We don't talk about this family member who might have severe mental illness. We'll say something like oh. They've always been outweigh. And we hope that in not talking about it and not not acknowledging it we can act like it doesn't exist fix itself
This Morning with Gordon Deal
New York - N.J. steps up to help front-line workers
"It is often said that if you want something done ask a busy person such is the case with Amy Frank Goldman she runs her own wealth management firm in New Jersey she's also home schooling her daughter currently recovering from the corona virus and just last week launched the local chapter of the front line appreciation group on Facebook where she helped raise money for men and women on the front lines of the pandemic she's here to talk about her group AB how did this begin for you I would think about what it really cross the river from New York City and we were around for nine eleven but all the started blowing up and we're watching what happens in New York City I didn't think I had to do something so I started looking around for the opportunity that kind of help the front line workers who believe that the not the front end of this but also I kept seeing all these stories about small businesses that were struggling with self you know if we were to show our appreciation for the people who are online why can't we do that by using local restaurants to to fund that goal to give some of that money back into the community out there I started a page on Facebook and it just went bananas so how does it work so basically what we do is we take a donation from the people who work during the day of the FIFA pages they are both of them on the peacock set up in those two nations are used to pay local restaurants to deliver meals to a number of different areas of the province so far would cover your rooms I see rooms in hospitals has been silent again care center others a certain hotline whether entering the coronavirus called for the town in city hall you ought to put areas will actually branching out into pharmacist store clerk so even in little league international appreciation to all the people who are out there leading up function in the new normal that we have so what's cooperation but like if you have a lot of buy in from supporters it's been incredible we have two thousand members in the group demanded money that we raise is is truly inspirational and it didn't go to do things that you know initially I thought we'd be able to provide a couple meals but now it looks like we'll be able to do that for weeks a month or south based on the money that was raised well for speak with Anne Frank golden she's the founder of the Hoboken and Jersey city New Jersey frontline appreciation group on Facebook they're raising money for health care workers so in terms of distribution do you have volunteers deliver things out of that and work with the beautiful about it so what about certain Hoboken hello they had a delivery business but for the most part eleven had done in Florida right so they can bring a lot of those restaurant into delivery only in their delivery people that work for those first on to the ones that have been facilitating the delivery and it's been kind of a fun experience because I love to share the photos of the food and preparing an offer the food in the hands of the into the front line people also the nurses the doctors they've actually receive the food in a long time some of the donors wanted me to deliver themselves and sending pictures of themselves like him to come over to the nurses station which is like a really cool thing to see you know Willie so have the health care workers responded well they probably domino's just hopes I think I think that they have a lot more variety in the lab options and that's another thing I try to make it through the week of the nutrient dense now that their job is not just mentally taxing the critical impact with while so serving them pizza and sub five need to week seven to week that's really not going to be the fact that he's a resources so I'm very specific when they speak the restaurant about what they're preparing for them making sure they're getting a good meal but you know that the end of the day it's really comes from the heart in the two people who I don't wanna call them unsung heroes but in normal times were not in the time of the pandemic or crisis of course people appreciate what they do you know what it really comes before court right now for those around the country listening who aren't familiar Jersey city and Hoboken very heavily populated areas certainly no choices of food right have you gone out on a limb and thrown something exotic at these health care workers I'm sure that we had a vegan restaurant a little bit you know what we've got everything from Italian to Thai food in Indian food coming later this week so it's definitely a lot of variety I think the one joint I so I think I saw a stat from small business owners generally speaking who say they're down to like eighty percent of business at this point under this under these restrictions because they're limited to just take out or delivery anybody say that what you're doing is helping keep them afloat and they might otherwise close account for me is that I want to be fair and sometimes give the opportunity probably have everybody's gotten Hoboken to participate before I go back to him he has already done a delivery so for being realistic you know five or six hundred on delivery you can change the bottom line over a week two weeks three weeks for a company or for a cyclical restaurant what I'm trying to do is when we were away please post operative could show the health care workers I always put the link to that restaurant in the in the polls and I think you're considering going out thing to consider this restaurant what I'm trying to bring awareness to these small business owners the people know that they're delivering other they're still out there and maybe they have a doctor orders not restaurant in awhile or maybe they had ordered the question before and so now in addition to being able to provide something for the front line we're getting a little bit of P. are the people who are helping us make that happen well that is Amy Amy Frank Goldman again head of her local chapter of the front line appreciation group on Facebook in
People of the Pod
A Closer Look at the Black-Jewish Congressional Caucus
"January and February have been full of commemorative moments for both the black and Jewish Communities. The birthday of Martin Luther King Junior the death anniversary of Anne Frank International Holocaust remembrance and Black History Month we sat down individually with three founders of the Black Jewish congressional caucus democratic congresswoman Brenda Lawrence Democratic congresswoman. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Republican Congressman Lee Zeldin to discuss why the caucus exists the issues. They think it will address and why it's important for black and Jewish leaders to work together. Not Apart I I asked about the original purpose of the Black Jewish congressional caucus how that purpose has evolved since its conception and what the main issues the caucus to address we. I posed the question to chief. Founder Representative Brenda Lawrence when I went to my colleagues. And ask them if they would be interested in forming a black Jewish Caucus. Civically this administration. I have seen an uptick in divisiveness and Rachel tension and also hate crimes been reported as validated being on Increasing and we have such a strong and long history of lack American and the Jewish community coming together in those times when our country lost its way the Jewish community came to the support of the black community during the civil rights movement. We have shared experience between the Holocaust. Slavery of being people oppressed by no other reason except for who we are and We know and we feel uniquely the stereotypes in the tension that are often placed on us as black and Jewish citizens of this country. And we are here in Congress to write laws and policies to ensure quality to make sure that we're forcing the civil rights of this country and we should be having a unique conversation around this and I can tell you I was so impressed with the support and willingness in a bipartisan way to form the caucus so what are the main issues that the caucus hopes to address. Well I want to know that as we look at hate crimes and discrimination as anti Semitic. It's racist xenophobic Often go back to Martin Luther King. Our unity is born of our common struggle for centuries not only to rid ourselves bandage but to make oppression of any people by others impossible so when we plan or what. Our jackets is our is that we will make sure that we are uniquely informed. We are aware of these incidents and policies and situations where we see Racism not being addressed properly or being able or being nurtured and that we can pass policies and enforce loss through our justice system to ensure we're holding true to one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all next. We asked Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz during the civil rights movement jewish-americans lent critical support to the N. Double ACP and fought alongside. Dr Martin Luther King Junior to challenge racial segregation in public accommodations and black leaders have stood with the Jewish community following the tragic shootings. At synagogues in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and POW California Joakim Prinz german-american Rabbi and refugee of Nazi. Germany represented the Jewish community as an organizer during the nineteen sixty three march on Washington. So that history is long and and significant and so the the The Black Jewish caucus is really important for us to be able to to retie those binds. And make sure that we can work on the modern day issues that are of mutual concern to both communities are purposes to assemble leaders to learn from one. Another advocate for joint concerns Regardless of party we believe And we exist because all partners are committed calling out hate and racism and discrimination anti-semitism and xenophobia whenever and wherever it rears its ugly head and you know our alliance in the Black Jewish caucus is really important so that we can work to honor and strengthen and safeguard the bond of our communities that have been developed in the struggle for equality in America. Then we asked representative Lee Zeldin. There is a need to better bridge the gap between the Jewish community and the black community and understanding a long rich history of the the black community fighting for on behalf of with the Jewish Committee and community and vice versa This isn't a new concept for us to be working closely and back in World War. Two was seven sixty first tank battalion. Bed Liberated gun skirt skin and God almost four hundred medals for their heroics their efforts and it was Jewish members who stood side by side with the black community during the civil rights push and some actually ended up giving up their lives in that fight for Justice and equality fast forward to two thousand and nineteen. This was announced in June But we were talking to each other about it for a few months leading up to that. Brenda Lawrence Really did a fantastic job taking a lead initiative. The American Jewish Committee was also influential and helpful with that. 'cause how has it evolved since then? I would say that more and more people have expressed interest in being part of it so it's become a bigger and it's allowed us to build a stronger network and we've seen a divide close But the challenges still exist and we just had a Hanukkah in two thousand nineteen that was marked by violent antisemitic attacks in and around the New York City area and some of the people who were paying attention to it saw that the individuals who are carrying out the attacks weren't neo Nazis. They weren't they weren't white supremacists. They weren't a radical Islamic extremists. And they they weren't Politically motivated it was a different dynamic than what you might have been talking about in June of two thousand nineteen You had some people who are talking about the the black Israel The Hebrew Israelite Movement But then others within that movement rejecting the acts carried out up in Munsey attacking the rabbi's home as well as attacking The the Jewish Kosher Supermarket in New Jersey. So in a way if you ask me how it evolved part of. It's been positive With all of the outreach in all of the new relationships and part of it has been an added challenge added friction as we witnessed what happened in the Hanukkah two thousand nineteen and struggling with figuring out how to as quickly as possible Deal with that next. We asked how the black community can support Jewish concerns and how the Jewish community can more forcefully advocate for African American issues. Here's what Linda Lawrence had to say. Yes the Jewish community has in the past as as you know during the civil rights movement Jewish communities one of our strongest legal and justice advocate on the judicial system but it is lifting the voice of Black America Black Lives Matter Institutional that is. Our biggest challenge institutional racism when it comes to the education when it comes to housing when it comes to the criminal justice lending voice to the black community and pointing out those things that are wrong and the black community. What we can do is make sure that we are calling out the stereotypes against the Jewish community. Then we heard from Debbie Wasserman Schultz. There is really some significant overlap that particularly with the violence and the Anti Semitism and bigotry. That is being hurled at our communities not just with these horrendous murders but with social media attacks and you know protest against our communities and discriminatory actions so we have a lot on our plate. Initially that I think are in my view important for our communities mutually and you know because the Caucasus really in its infancy as we mature and move down the road. Get to know one another issues that you know. We can be across the aisle and across our communities and the caucus focused on trying to prioritize the issues that the individual communities find important and lastly representative Lee Zeldin. Well we always spent a lot of times so far I talking about the way. The Jewish community has been targeted with not just Anti Semitic thoughts but antisemitic actions and violent and some cases of its cost people their lives. So you know the the ways for the the black community to identify what? The top issues are Right now for the Jewish community. We're seeing it. Play out really in the national news and the national debate for the Black Community The there still is racism in our country in many respects and I think that teaching tolerance and and understanding ensuring that policies aren't discriminatory that individuals have the ability to achieve the American dream and shouldn't be held back just because they might be someone of color or they might be practicing a different religion like Judaism. That discrimination racism still exists in our country. We saw it play out not too long ago on. Long Island where I'm from the first. Congressional district of New York is on the east end of Long Island There was a story that was in. Newsday was an investigative report of members of the real estate industry discriminating against people of color who were trying to find housing trying to Purchase a home to achieve the American dream. And unfortunately that's an exception and not the norm. It's rare But the response has been robust with investigations. That have been lost. launched as well as the real estate industry themselves Self policing Each Other To educate but educate each other and to push out of their industry people who are discriminating against Black individuals who are trying to own a home and then she the American dream so I would say as far as identifying some of the biggest needs right now of the black community. I would say that just like it was easy to identify anti-semitism as a top needed needs to get addressed for the Jewish community. I would say. Racism is something that's very prevalent and still needs to be addressed absolutely with regards to the black community next. We asked what issues of mutual concern? The caucus can address. Here's what Brenda Lawrence had to say. I think it's extremely important. That the black and Jewish community allow the history of oppression for either of our people to be forgotten. You know there's some people who like to say the Holocaust didn't happen. There are people who say You know black people so each other to slavery. So what's the big deal? We cannot allow the history that as horrific as it is to be forgotten. And that's something else that I think that we uniquely can do as citizens of this country and as survivor and Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Right now we have a really significant challenge around white supremacy and the rise of white supremacists in United States white supremacist increasingly targeted and killed large groups of people in recent years because of their race or religion in the United States in Twenty fifteen we had nine African Americans who were murdered murdered by a gunman whose name I won't mention at the Emmanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church Mother Emmanuel in Charleston South Carolina. Because and this is quoting the murderer. He knew that it would be a place to get a small amount of black people in one area. You had Robert Bowers. Last year yelled antisemitic. Slurs before he opened fire and killed eleven worshippers at the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania and that was the deadliest attack on the Jewish community. American history you've had attacks on mosques where insecurity has had to be increased after fifty one people were massacred to mosques in New Zealand. So we have a very current urgent challenge with bigotry. Anti-semitism white supremacists who are engaging in in deadly violence and so that's at the security and houses of fighting. Anti Semitism and bigotry is Is really the top of our current list of issue the very tragic areas of mutual concern for for both communities and and I would also add Particularly because most of these crimes perpetrated with guns the Jewish community in the African American community have have really come together around making sure that we can close all the loopholes that allow people who shouldn't have a gun under federal law here in the US be able to get them Now that issue is unfortunately not bipartisan. I was just getting ready to say. That's gotta be bipartisan. doesn't mean that That the hawks On Black Jewish relations can't take it on
People of the Pod
Israel and Sudan Will Push to Normalize Relations
"Get now to this month's news that Israel and Sudan will push to normalize relations that sounds like a huge diplomatic coup for Israel. Is that right? It is a massive diplomatic coup for Israel. it's a great thing. I think for Sudan as well A separate matter is how it was conducted however and that has to be said If you look at what's good for Sudan itself I think Any measure that strengthens Sudan's economy and at the same time strengthens the The the cohesion of the Democratic Forces that one would hope would emerge prevail in a sustainable way way up on elections for the down. The line is a good thing for Sudan Israel's role there Obviously is is one of Assisting and in having Sudan seen as a friendly country towards the West which which is the port of call for assistance in the development of Sudan And that was much the idea behind the the elements in the Sudanese governance structure. That looked for this meeting with with with Prime Minister Netanyahu The however There's a diversity of news of views among the civilian political constellation in in Sudan as to how and when to engage with Israel. And what's been announced by Netanyahu and and And General Borhan in compiler Is that copolymers. The capital of Uganda. That is intended to set up afterwards normalization of relationships. You know the other the other interests there. There are In in in this in this Development are to Wean Sudan from the potential influence of Iran. And that's the reason why in this meeting it is understood that there was a heavy involvement of the of of the Gulf Gulf powers especially the United Arab Emirates which presumably set it up where it's understood. Set it up after about three months of negotiations Negotiations with the military To Go back to your question about Israel and Sudan in the last few decades you may remember that there were reported bombings by Israel of convoys of arms and Sudan I it was understood at the time that that's that Sudan. was getting assistance from Iran to arm elements in the Gaza Strip. And that was the route that these ratings bombed The main obstacle that Sudan has right now economically is the fact that because Osama bin Laden was was hosted in Sudan enlarged in Sudan the US designated Sudan a state sponsor of terrorism and That designation stands in the way of Sudan enjoying the support of certain multilateral entities that are deemed to be indispensable for unblocking the hurdles towards development in Sudan and that was very much behind the the idea of the military elements that engage in this conversation with Netanyahu there are elements within the civilian spectrum in Sudan that are not particularly opposed to engaging with Israel but saw in the way this was conducted a trampling of the agreement that that he would be the council itself not one member of the counselor one element of the council that would develop foreign policy decision of this dimension and it was reported that the prime minister hadn't been even warned about this meeting and they learned about it through the press even though the military claim they told him a couple of days before So what I'm trying to say here is that while it's a wonderful development the way this is delivered Mccarey some risks because it could fray The or could exacerbate tensions between the civilian elements and military within Sudan from the Israeli point of view. We have to also realize that to the extent that this engagement has to do with brokering results from Sudan. If those results do not materialize you have to wonder how how Israel is going to be perceived on how engagement with Israel is going to be perceived a relationship like this though a warming thawing of ties. It doesn't come out of nowhere right. There's a lot of hard work that went into this. Certainly a lot of a lot of hard work has gone into this Their reports actually that Israel had engaged with Bush here as well in two thousand sixteen by sheer kind of had some nice things to say about about Israel at least relative to its neighbors. Right when the Syrian civil war was kind of ramping up but she said you know even if Israel had taken over Syria. We wouldn't be seeing something this terrible exactly which is mild statement as we would see it. It's not mile given the context in which it was made It's not uncommon for African countries and countries elsewhere. Really do think that the road To Washington go through Jerusalem and This is at play very much here. But it sounds vaguely anti Semitic you know. It isn't and yet if you see it. From the point of view of our ability to insert the values of democracy that Israel represents and the potential for engagement with neighbors that develop in that direction. I don't necessarily think it is so unfortunately though It is one of the main reasons Why many of these governments bother to engage because otherwise they're very focused on their own Takeout from from that engagement in certain carries risks I mean there's no shortage of radical Islamist movements in especially in this hell in Africa that threatened to destabilize governments upon engagement with Israel. So they have to be at sea benefit and the benefit. Gm oftentimes has to do with with acceding to Raising their profile of attention in America and in the mainstream world and they they do think that the Jewish community in America and and and Israel can can help in that direction and point of fact after this meeting in compiler the General General Received a call from Mike Pompeo inviting him to Washington so It was pretty explicit
People of the Pod
75 Years After Anne Frank, Is She Still The Poster Child For The Holocaust?
"In many ways and frank has become the poster child for the horrors of the Holocaust. Almost everyone has read. The published diary of the young girl who hid from the Nazis during their occupation of the Netherlands was arrested with the rest of her family during a rate of their secret annex and died of typhus with her sister in the Bergen Belsen concentration camp around this time in nineteen forty five through her published. Work a fifteen year old girl with hopes and dreams made the Holocaust accessible for young people her age and younger. I personally read the story of Anne Frank in eighth grade out loud on a cassette tape which my English teacher played for years to come because she wanted students to hear the story in a young girl's voice she did not even know. I was Jewish but that was more than three decades ago. And it's been seventy five years since Anne Frank died is an frank still a poster child for the Holocaust anymore. Has she been forgotten? Our producer Condo and I venture to a nearby college campus to Test Young People's knowledge. And here's what we heard. The anniversary of a well known figure is coming up and we WANNA know if you recognize her name and frank. I do recognize her name. Okay who wishes she was a teenager during the Holocaust. I believe she was living in Germany and she has become a figure in the American literary Canon and in American Academia. I believe because her diary was recovered which chronicled her efforts to stay hidden. When Nazi Germany was actively seeking out an executing Jews by sending them to concentration camps. I Know Anne Frank you know Anne Frank who is she she is. She was a young girl who during the Holocaust. She hid in the attic of someone's House. I don't know the details. And she wrote a diary that became very famous. How old are you? I'm nineteen nineteen. When did you learn about Anne? Frank I wanNA say like maybe fourth grade during elementary school. Oh that's a good question was a young girl who I guess. That's kind of her story. She was a young girl during during unfortunate time. Who's forced to hide? And you know we thankfully have her story because she documented it. How old are you? I'm seventeen so we're asking young people like yourself. If you know who Anne Frank is I don't know you do. Not so and frank was a young girl who was hidden. She was German born and grew up in the Netherlands and was Was Jewish and I think. Some of her story yeah. She wrote a diary and while she was in hiding and her father founded after the war and had it published as during the Holocaust during the Holocaust. Remember all right wonderful. She was Jewish kid who was alive during the Second World War. Very good passed away in a concentration camp. And when did you learn about Anne Frank? I think like three or four years ago. Wow and how old are you? I'm eleven so the name is Anne. Frank yes who is she? I don't know that much. I know this museum about her life. Okay all right Do you know where it is now. The family was arrested by the Nazis. She was taken to a concentration camp. That's where she died with her sister but her father survived and went back to the hiding place and his secretary had held onto her diary. And that was what was then published as the diary of a young girl and it was her account of being in hiding from the Nazis during World War Two. We have important anniversary coming up for a very well known figure and so. We're asking young people if they recognize the name ready and frank of course okay. Who is she and frank how she was the girl that was like hiding out? I remember reading the book like in Grade School. I barely remember the details. But I'm pretty sure she was like a little girl. Does hiding out for the Nazis as she was her diary book. Yeah so we're asking this because we want to know whether young people have forgotten and frank is how old are you? I'm twenty when did you learn about Anne Frank? I believe pretty early on definitely an elementary school third grade or something. I remember we were going through a very general history class and I believe she was a writer. I know that and she died. They discovered her books and all that and she was like making a diary or something about it the war so it was really important. Do you know how old she was when she died? Wall something very close. She was fifteen when she died. Did you read Anne Frank's diary when you were growing up or anything based on it? No I remember like learning about it at school. We're asking young people this question because we have to wonder like do people even know who and frank is. Feels like new information
Skimm'd from The Couch
You Know Malala. Now, Meet Her Mentor Shiza.
"We welcome Shiva Shahad to skimmed from the couch. She is a social entrepreneur activist and investor before four founding now ventures a seed fund for mission driven companies and our place an ECOMMERCE company. She's a CO founded the Malala Fund listeners. Maino Malala Story. I'm sure you do. She was a student and an advocate for girls' education in Pakistan and survived being shot in the head by the Taliban Malala Malala then became one of the most powerful voices for peace in the world and by her side. She has a harness the power of Melilla Story and created a global full nonprofit to advance the education of girls around the world. Shizue has focused her life and career on making the world a better place and we are very excited to have her with us. Today welcomed skin from the couch. I'm so excited to be here. I Love Skim thank you we were just saying. This is our first interview of the decades. So what are we to kick off. I'm very curious you such an impressive resume and you've done so many things that we're going to get into but what is not on your linked in profile that we should know about you. I think that I Show up a lot. You know as I look at my career path and the things that I've done. It's very often been a decision to show up in the moment if I were to draw a line through all of the startups. The projects whether in the nonprofit space or investing is often been sparked by an article. I read in the newspaper or somebody that came Aiman reached out for help and asked me to join them or an issue that I saw in an industry and I'll sort of decide. Maybe there's something I can do to help. And it leads me down this path of founding a nonprofit when I had no intention or going back to back assigned to secretly create a summer camp com for girls being denied an education or founding. Unethical sustainable cookware line. It always starts with the sort of fire in my belly this passion and very often in a sense of anger when there's injustice so yeah I guess I would just call myself a serial show or upper I like that. That's a good good take on a card Let's start with how you grew up because my first question is you have done amazing things that hopefully will have a lasting impact in the world but worry like a kid Roy your family like what kind of education you have you grew up in Islamabad. I was a quiet kid I grew up in a loving home in the capital of Pakistan Islamabad. I come from modest. self-made family I was fortunate. I was given a good education and tremendous amount of support from my parents but I was also growing up in a country that has many social challenges. It's ranked the second can worst place to be born a woman. It has a second highest number of children out of school in the entire world. And I think I recognized that difference that I had so much opportunity in most girls and women didn't and I wanted to understand it so I ended up spending recognize that because your mom or your dad showed you that or does something you observed on your own. I don't think my parents pushed me towards it. They are charitable and generous. Actually we run an orphanage now but at the time that I was growing up they were you know working hard to build a life for their family. They didn't impose it on me. They sort of gave me a lot of space to be myself You said you were shy and curious. What would bring you out of your Shell? I think the space to be myself so my siblings are ten in eight years older answered big personalities and so in their presence. I think I was very quiet. And then I got very involved in social activism work and when I did that It felt like it was my space to speak up. I sort of found my voice you know. Is this weird activist child child you know organizing protests and giving interviews and getting really involved. I'm very curious going up in Pakistan and this wise has this was a pre nine eleven Pakistan these social opportunities for women were never strong as you mentioned with those alarming stats but it was also different than Pakistan. That we've known in the last twenty years. You know all kids dream about what are you going to be when you grow up. And I'm also an astronaut president. An actor writer doctor. Did you dream like what you're GonNa be when you grow up. I wanted to make a real difference particularly in my home country. I wanted to make things better for women for people who were oppressed because they were perhaps of a different faith or within within Islam. I wanted to make a change through storytelling through nonprofit work through empowering and employing women and you know the thing about being young. Is You really believe in absolutes. And when you get passionate about making a difference when you're young and you see this. Now I think with the rise of teenage activists in America's well it's all consuming it is a sense of right and wrong and a deep passion about fighting injustice. And that was me growing up you now. My friends were sneaking out to parties and I was sneaking out to protest and Yeah are your parents like we wish he would just go to a party. I I think so. I remember once I stunk. Up to protest and It was a small protest so my face. I was photographed and put on the front page of the national. The House like walking around the House hiding the newspaper. And then my my dad got a phone call in the front page of the newspaper and they laughed about about in. That was when I knew that while they wanted me to be safe I could probably get away with it as long as I was safe. You ended up coming to the. US for college. You went to Stanford I'm really Makarius. What that transition must have been like coming from Pakistan thrown into the heart of tech entrepreneurship? I'm just fascinated what that transition must have been like for you. Yeah it was. It was hard it was hard not because it was American culture. That was foreign to me American culture. So pervasive evasive united grownup washing friends and cheers. And there's no you do not watch shares. I did know because I love cheers. And you make fun of me for liking it. I still watching coaching it. Okay well I I watched whatever was available you know they would package these. TV shows and like send them over to Pakistan and they would advertise all. These American can products that weren't available in Pakistan yet like dominoes pizza. I grew up being advertised. Domino's pizza I've never had it in my head. Yeah I feel like in my head. It's better than it will be so. That's pretty good It's gotten a lot better College is a time when people you're going to school to discover who they are here. You are already kind of a step ahead in terms of you know that you're passionate about things you have grown up protesting testing and then you fly across the world to go to school. Yeah I mean it was hard because it was this very undergraduate focused experience right Stanford Sanford is a. It's a college town. There's no sadie where you can sort of. Go Out and hang out with non undergraduates who are doing other things and immersed in the world and I think I had one other Cassani in my class and I was sort of you know on this path and I felt very sure of it now to be clear I didn't have it all figured out right in my path would change tremendously in the years. That followed So it was hard on the one hand on the other hand it was a tremendous privilege. I mean here I was now in a school wall then made me part of a exclusive club that put me in a class of twenty students with Condoleeza Rice. The your she left office so now I was just as you know. Middle Class girl from Pakistan had all this access and opportunity and I felt that I had to use that platform to amplify the stories in bacchus on that I was hearing during that perhaps other people in America weren't so it sort of lit a fire in my belly that was there was even deeper. Had your siblings gone to school outside of Pakistan yes so my sister had studied in the US for her master's my brother had started out in Pakistan and then transferred two years then. When did you first hear the name Malala? So I was sitting in my dorm room at Stanford I was reading about the insurgency in Pakistan. which at the time was probably at its peak? Sort of what you're awfully. She's has an nine two thousand eight. Actually actually I would say. There is a town in the north of Pakistan that at the time had been taken over by group linked to the Taliban it's called Swap Valley and the Taliban Alabama become increasingly violent had begun blowing up girls schools and in January. Two thousand nine declared an all-out ban on female education in the Swat Valley so here I was getting incredible education in less than three hundred miles from where I grew up. Girls we're being told they couldn't go to school and it felt deeply personal and it felt like a story that I could amplify to make a difference so I was studying it reading up about it and I came upon a diary written by a schoolgirl from the Swat valley. And she roach this is my plea to the world. Save my school. Save my swamp valley and I was just shook to my core four of the diary of Anne Frank and I began to research to figure out who this girl was and I got to know that she was a little girl. Names Malala and her father other Zero Dean Ron School. I don't even recall how but I called my contacts and bags on and said I want to know who this girl is and I. I remember calling her father from my dorm room at Stanford and just being like Hi. Here's who I am.
UN News
Spiritof Anne Frank celebrated with tree planting at UN headquarters
"The chestnut tree that Anne Frank could see from her famous attic, hiding place in Amsterdam during the second World War was seen by the young girl is a symbol of hope and the natural world that she longed to touch again, considered a living symbol of both and francs legacy and of the values embodied by the United Nations, a sapling descended from that very tree was planted in the gardens of UN headquarters in New York on Wednesday the ceremony organized by the holocaust and the United Nations outreach program, marked, what would have been an Franks. Ninetieth birthday had. She survived the holocaust.
24 Hour News
Bull running festival kicks off in Spain despite protests
"Seeds infested with an invasive beetle were intercepted at detroit metropolitan airport and it's not the first time it's happened us customs and border protection says agricultural specialist discovered the capra beatles november twenty third they're in a bag of seeds a woman travelling from iraq plan to use in her garden the capra beatles considered one of the world's most destructive pest for stored grains cereals and seeds capper beatles were found in january at washington dulles international airport in rice brought from saudi arabia and in february they were found at baltimore thurgood marshall airport in cal peas brought from nigeria the annual running of the bulls in pamplona in spain has begun with protests on thursday more than one hundred animal rights activists called for an end to animal cruelty with a multiple run on the eve of the sun phetamine festival activists from peter and the spanish group anima not to rallies took to the streets dressed in black some with bull mosques made of carpooled carrying signs reading stop the bloody bullfights bull runs throughout the narrow cobbled streets of the northern spanish city of the main feature of the centuries old traditional festival some one million visitors five times pamplona's population are expected for the festival six bills take part in morning runs and killed on eight consecutive afternoons in televised does this is festival runs through july the fourteenth research suggests and frank's family tried to escape to the us ap correspondent walter ratliff reports research suggests that the family of an frank the world famous jewish diarist who died in the holocaust attempted to immigrate to the united states and later also to cuba but their efforts were tragically thwarted by america's restrictive immigration policy cumbersome bureaucracy and the outbreak of world war two the anne frank house in amsterdam said documents indicate and father otto tried twice to get his family than needed papers to go to the united states the frank family eventually went into hiding an amsterdam on july sixth nineteen forty two they were alternately deported to osh wits only auto frank survived i'm walter ratliff.
Mike Gallagher
With US out, others reaffirm commitment to Iran nuclear deal
"To drop its commitments to the nuclear deal foreign minister high coma said that well powers wouldn't be able to fully compensate for companies pulling out of iran because of the new us sanctions that he warned that abandoning the deal would cause more harm to iran's economy the iranian president hassan rohani has already expressed disappointment at european proposals to save the deal saying they didn't go far enough the french foreign minister jean yves le drian said well powers needed time to work on ways of getting round us sanctions bbc's bethany bell new research suggests the family of anne frank the world famous jewish diarist who died in the holocaust and tried unsuccessfully to immigrate to the united states and later also to cuba going into officials at the end frank house resume in amsterdam and also the us holocaust memorial museum news and analysis townhall dot com stuck in traffic we've got the answer we got.
Lori and Julia
Researchers discover dirty jokes in Anne Frank's diary
"Lot of good dirt on mytalk mytalk listen and learn researchers have uncovered what was written in hidden passages of anne frank's diary they found dirty jokes using digital technology to decipher the writing on pages of her diary that she had covered up over with brown masking paper they discovered four risque jokes and a candidate explication of sex contraception and prostitution and was thirteen at the time when she wrote on these two pages in nineteen forty two less than three months after she went into hiding from the nazis and later on possibly fearing prying eyes or no longer liking what she had written she covered them over with brown paper and their contents had remained a mystery for decades.
24 Hour News
Gaza, Ed Donahue and Prostitution discussed on 24 Hour News
"The united nations are accusing each other's countries of violating international law a day after israeli troops killed more than fifty palestinians at the gaza border us un ambassador nikki haley says is responsible suggests that the gaza violence has anything to do with the location of the american embassy or sorely mistaken rather the violence comes from those who reject the existence of the state of israel in any location the united states is escalating financial pressure on iran by slapping terrorists sanctions on the head of iran's central bank and barring anyone around the world from doing business with him this is ap radio news here's a story about a buried treasure in new york city matthew and maria emanuel had noticed the rusting hunk of metal peeking out from the ground in their staten island backyard for a while but they thought it was just an abandoned cable box then when they went to replace some trees on the property they had the thing dug up they told wcbs tv it turned out to be a safe with diamonds jade and heap of soaking wet cash inside also the name and address of the owner on a piece of paper they returned to buried treasure who were neighborhood reported it stolen seven years ago no sign yet of the pirates who buried it warren levinson new york digital technology was used to decipher writing onto pages of anne frank's diary that were covered over with brown masking paper researchers say they were four risque jokes and a candidate explaination of sex contraception and prostitution they say the dirty jokes are classics among growing children and was thirteen at the time and wrote the two pages in nineteen forty two ed donahue ap radio news welcome to total wine and more boy gets all of this out of the way how about if i.
Cnn, Connie West and Detroit Radio Station discussed on
"I you know what i'll just say general commentary on media reporters the media reporter churn is so annoying because they they're left with having to come up with an opinion about things that sometimes it's really stupid have an opinion on and there they are assessing it and there is fertile territory he could be covering all of the massive screw ups that cnn has had lately but i guess he's not paid for that so he's going after connie west he's a gift to racist also kanye has had his music band by detroit radio station one zero five point one the bounce they said this week that they've banned connie's music from the airwaves some of their deejays saying in a facebook post that they feel it connie has gone too far with his latest statement declaring the slavery was choice we are over it we don't wanna hear news music so we are taking a stand we aren't playing his music anymore we are just refusing to give him a platform important word their platform d platforming is a very big thing on the left if you say something that is an uncomfortable opinion or one that they disagree with especially on college campuses you watch us this happens you get deep platforms take their platform away you can't say that you can't have a place to say that they say these things in public and again under fire also standing with kanye west this was interesting justin bieber so you already had chance the rapper came out he kind of hedged back and forth about where he is on this came out in support of kanye west and then justin bieber coming out yesterday i think he posted to instagram a picture our job is to love not to always agree love yukon supposed justin bieber weights and now justin bieber and i are on the same team complicated and i don't understand anything konya says which is probably why i'm kind of on his team at this point because i understand like every other word so i'm all right with it by the way remember world is turned upside down and in case you forget that these celebrities always have insane opinions that go all over the place and occasionally will unite with your own opinion remember he said anne frank would.