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SMNTY Classics: Anna Delvey, This Summer's $cam Queen

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SMNTY Classics: Anna Delvey, This Summer's $cam Queen

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And in her remarks and Delhvi said I'd be lying to you and to everyone else, and to myself, if I said, I was sorry for anything and also I was power hungry. I'm not a good person. Well, yeah, this is real hair game thrown away. Yeah. And think a last summer. Pascoe's bridges. She loves scammers as she loves a good scam Queen. Right. And she was so excited to dog about this. And I was kind of out of the loop and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed learning about it. But that's that's, that's the thing is, why do we like scam Queen at the same time she also that I'm not sorry. And I do it again. She did I I'm not gonna lie. That's just baller. I don't know what else this I'm like yet. Okay. He owns it. He runs with it. She owned do her. She is. She is. So we thought we would rerun this, this classic sewed on Anna Delhvi. We hope you enjoy. Hey, this is Bridget. And this is Anne, and you're listening to stuff. Mom, never told you. Now today. I'm really happy to talk about this topic. This is the topic that kind of came on my radar on social media, specifically Twitter and I was kind of obsessed with it. And then I was so pleased when a few people wrote in asking press to do an episode on it, and that topic is scam clean, and a Delhvi. Yes. Project was very very, very excited to talk about this and I kind of have read a little bit about it. And I'm excited because bridges excited. So I hope that everyone is kind of excited to learn about this yet scammers famous scammers are like my fans fiction. Yeah. Pretty much. You know, you should find fan fiction about famous scammers. That would make me happy. I would die. If happiness is a good way to go though. It is a good way reading about reading in-depth are like fan fiction about scammers. I would die with a smile on my face. So one thing that people if you listened to this show, you probably already know about me, which is that I had a love of things that are kind of problematic. I like we have that series specifically on problematic. Saves that I was excited to do, because I love so many people and things that are problematic. I love Tonya Harding, I love bad movies, and bad TV and one of the things on that list of problematic. Kind of messed up things that I kind of had enough of is scammers. You know, I I've always been fascinated by people who pretend to be something they're not. And, you know, I think one of the reasons why we kind of myself, personally. But as a culture why I think that we're so interested in scammers. It's because you meet so many people that come off, as confident, they come off, like they know exactly what they're doing, and they hear very good at that offense veneer of who they are. And then you find out. Oh, that's all an act actually, there's a scammer like they're scamming me right now. And I think that there's some in that part of me feels like we all sort of feel like we're scamming on some level, and that when you meet somebody who is has bold face perfected that scam. It's almost even though they're doing something awful of at least for me, you almost kind of have to respect it. Yeah. And you are not the only one who feels that way. Bridget clearly because we have found some research into it. But why, why do you think as a culture we were so into this? Well, it's funny over at the New Yorker writer, Jia Tolentino has this great theory that they kind of are fascination. With scammers. Kind of come as in seasons. She calls it griffis. Ethan. She writes Griff tourist season comes regularly, but often comes in America, which is built around mythologies of profit, and reinvention spectacular ascent, the Sadie audacious figures at its center exists on a spectrum from folk hero to disgrace the season begins on the public catches on this series of scammers. Particularly appealing sort, the kind that provoked both shot in Florida and admiration. And I think that really kind of nails, my sort of love hate relationship with scammers. Because on the one hand it's disgraceful. Somebody somebody's scamming somebody else out of money, you know, abusing their trust, all of that is disgraceful. But it's difficult to sort of not respect a certain level of boldness of scams. Like, there's this mean that was kind of popular maybe like a year or two ago. Joann the scammer. It's a alter ego of a comedian where he's pretending to be the scammer. Who was always running scams on people, and coming up with sort of little witticisms about scams. Things like scam today before today scams. You I think it's a couple of things I think it's a fascination with scamming in general. But I also think, when it's a woman, I do think there's a little bit of an anti heroine thing happening where we so often expect women to be, you know, good and trustworthy. And when we think about scammers or criminals, we think about men, but then when a woman is doing the scamming I think she almost there's almost inclination to lift her up as an anti hero. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that for sure. And I think that's something we do. See in our media and entertainment, and another reason that in culturally, we might have this, this kind of love and respective of scammers. Is that scammers thrive in times of cultural unrest? Or unease the writer Bridget mentioned before GM Tolentino in her piece. He uses a quote from Maria. Kona Cova from her. Her book, the confidence game cons thrive in times of transition. And the term confidence man was coined in eighteen forty nine by the New York herald and pieces about a bumbling scammer, who would ask strangers in the street. Have you confidence in me to trust me with your watch until tomorrow? No. Hope not at that point in American history. The goldrush was producing a swarm of swindlers, and California and free banking was enabling wildcat banks and counterfeiters to circulate worthless. Bills scammers love nothing better Conan, Cova notes than quote exporting, the sense of ease. We feel when it appears that the world as we know it is about to change which it does make complete sense. That that's the time when you would want to kind of play on people's insecurities, and unease. Yeah. And we are for sure, in the middle of a moment of cultural, and social and political unease Jia goes on today, one gets the sense that these days that such unease may become constant the entire globe is getting hotter market pressures are accelerating. Technology is advancing at a dizzying rate at some point between the great recession which began in two thousand eight and the terrible election of two thousand sixteen scamming seems to have become the dominant logic of American life, the things that people have historic. Us to build non scammy life in this country. Housing, higher education, had to tear eight or to the point where they are likely to punish you. If you're already wealthy, the bankers, pushing reverse mortgages, never crude, or is at four profit colleges and the many startup founders hoping to take massive investor back losses and till they Aratu Kate the rest of the market understand the world better than we do. That's part of the reason they're so riveting down to the last details. Scammers show us the glitzy bullsh- intrinsic to the stratospheric wealth in America. They show us that the best way to make money in this country. It's the tweet everybody around you like a Mark. Yeah. I mean what do you think about it? It's hard not to be fascinated by that by that kind of social game, treating everybody sort of. Yeah. Mark, and it kind of reminds me of the great Gatsby, and how he sort of tricked his way up into that society. See, but, but even I'm so glad you brought up that story because that story is sort of about the scam inherent to this idea of the American dream, right? Gatsby has reinvented himself in kind of scammy way, bootlegging and lying about his identity and all of that. And like and like on its space, it seems like the American dream that he bootstrapped his way up into into success, but actually, the American dream is bullsh-. And so, of course it's a scam. Exactly. And there are plenty of crude good, scammers of all genders. Billy McFarland of fire festival fame, the British Royal family expert. He was actually just a guy from upstate New York, but we want to focus on female scammers because there is something special about them, like Bridget mentioned earlier. Yeah. I also think part of it is that we love in this country to root for a woman, and then we love when she falls like we love to follow the demise of a woman like, we, we can't get enough of a story of powerful woman gone wrong, or a woman who seemed like she had it all. And then really it turned out, she was. Damning everyone I do think that there's something about the vigor with, which that we enjoy these stories when it happens to a woman. That's, that's just my opinion. I think you seem like you're pretty well versed in the subject, Bridget. Yeah. So I actually would love to do an entire series of scammers, scammers like Elizabeth home. You may know her as blood testing scammer. She had that entire company was supposed to be able to give blood tests. You know, go to a CVS. I'm like prick your finger and it will be able to give you all these tests in real time. But it was actually just a scam like she'd gotten all this money, and it didn't work, and she probably knew it didn't work. And a lot of people are like, oh, she probably be in jail, but she's not in jail. So I really interesting fascinating. Scammer also like black turtlenecks gamer. You've never saw picture of her not wearing a black turtleneck kind of ruin that look for everybody to be honest with you. There is vogue. Scammer Yvonne ban, again, who was accused of siphoning away, fifty three thousand five hundred sixty four dollars while she was grace Coddington assistant, so many good female scammers out there. So if you know of one that you would love for us to talk about whether it's a scammer of today. I historical female gamer, please. Let us know. But today we are talking about the undisputed scam. Queen of summer won miss Anna Delhvi. Yes, I love scam. Queen of summer. Yeah, I actually put out a I mean, this is an unscientific poll, but I put out one of those Twitter polls asking who you thought the scam Queen of summer was, I made them running and LV, Elizabeth homes, Jill Stein, or like write in candidate in adobe. Actually ended up coming in second. The write in candidate one Donald Trump our president came in first as the summer scam Queen. Wow. Well, congrats to no one. That's another interesting point about why I'm so fascinated with scams because we associate scammers with a certain class, I believe, like, when you think of scammers, who think of somebody who is not a wealthy person trying to become or pretend to be wealthy. We have like rich scammers all over the place like Scott remit, former head of the EPA was basically a scammer but people don't label him a scammer because he's male and well-connected and rich and white, but homeboy was trying to use his connections of government to get his wife a Chick-fil-A franchise. That's a scam. That is a scam. He is a scammer. Yeah. He also is trying to buy old mattresses. I can't wrap my head around that one. There's so many like classics scams that if we stripped away the veneer of he's a high level, White House administration official, whatever it would just be any other scammer with, like fair gone new bells. And like not. Goff's Chanel like it is such a budget scam. The only reason we don't talk about it in that way is because of his connections. Look, if you stripped, all of those things away, which he actually resigned. So they have been stripped away, if you didn't have that title, it will be it will be anybody else like scamming their way into free stuff like all, scammers do, because he's not special just because he's Scott Pruitt, yes. Scott Pruitt, you're not special. But today we're not talking about just any scammer, right? Bridget. We're talking about Anna Delhvi one of your favorite scammers. She's a good scammer. There was like a scammer trading cards. She'd be the one that I will be really, really stoked ticket. So let's get into who in Adel, the is for those of you don't know. And why she is the scam Queen of summer after this quick break. At the Home Depot, for studs sheet rock electrical everything to build your house. Now you can make that house, your home by shopping. Thousands of decor, pieces that suit your taste from sofas to area rugs to that photo floral, you've been admiring, the Home Depot has all the pieces, you need to create your dreams space from start to finish the best part, free, and flexible delivery, and no hassle returns on everyday essentials and more find exactly what you're looking for, at Home Depot dot com slash decor. Your perfect home is waiting for you, and it's just a click away. Plus for a limited time, you can save even more on the styles. You love when you use code mom Home Depot at checkout. Now there's more kinds of doing at Home Depot. Valid on select items. Only free delivery on select items forty five dollars. Over more. Visit homedepot dot com for more information. And we're back to Anna Delhvi, first of all, she's my favorite scammer. I've read literally every piece of content on the internet about her rise and fall and putting a lot of comment threads. I don't know who it was her or like her Representative or whatever posted her mailing address in prison on her Instagram and I sent her a snail mail letter asking her to come on the podcast. I will update you if we're able to get a phone interview with Anna Delhvi on this podcast. If someone knows her tell her that we would love to have Iran, so we can hear her story and how she got to where she is a whole put it that way, just prison, which is prison. I think we know how she got where she is. But that's the thing it's like when you read these articles, there was a really, really good pieces in both Vanity Fair and the cut that are super in depth about the calm that she played and sort of how she so successfully preyed on women, a third class aspiration of these women. It really it really is fascinating and masterful. So I this Vanity Fair photo editor to Rachel Williams. She was actually scanned by Delhvi herself and it ended up costing her thousands of dollars. So she wrote this piece about what exactly happened in Vanity Fair. So basically, she meets Anna in a hotel, and Anna says that she's a German heiress who lives out of the hotel, and has these grand plans to open, what basically sounds like the SoHo house of art. So it's going to be, quote, a dynamic visual art center, dedicated to contemporary art, and she talks about how she wants to use family trust money to afford this. She wants to get investors. She sounds like someone who has. Grand ambitions plans? But here's the thing, this kind of plan that if someone if you met somebody and hotel, even if they seem to rich, and they told me they had this idea, the plan would still kind of sound preposterous. But that's one of the tenets of her scam, which is the same way that tinker bell only exists. If you believe in her, like if you don't believe in her, she dies, and I had this way of making people believe these grand plans, and these grand schemes of hers, even though they sounded preposterous. And in a kind of way, the reason that they are kind of believable is because they sound over the top Rachel writes in my line of work. I had offered empowered ambitious. Well off individuals. So though, her undertaking sounded grand scale and promising in theory, my sincerest Suzy esom hardly outweighed measure of skepticism and again. Yeah, you can see how someone media rich girl in a hotel. Who's had this grand idea to make this big lavish club full of art, and rich people. If anybody else told you that you'd be you'd think. Oh, sure. Of course, you're going to do that. Yeah. Right. But because that's sort of part of her scam is having this sort of laws a fair attitude about money and, you know, having these grand plans, that don't seem like they would ever work. That's kind of how rich people are if you want people to believe that you are rich having some big undertaking, that seems really farfetched would actually kind of solidify that kind of, you know. Yeah, for sure. And I think just the way she was. She would just buy really expensive things restaurants. She kind of did have this particular circle people. So if you're thinking, I don't know about her, but then you meet other people, and they seem to be in this circle of orbit. And they seem to have accepted her then you kind of start to accept, well, she must have passed this test if she traffics in this group of people than even if maybe she'll never succeed in this plan that I think is probably unrealistic. She must still have the money. She must still be in this class of people that she is saying, she is in right? And I mean, I've, I've actually had a Hugh mild scammers in orbit and political work because anybody who's doing political work like you, you will encounter some scammers shore. That's another thing that I think scammers really traffic in is having other people to kind of vouch for them, or verify them. And I'm thinking of one scammer that who kind. Like this is something I knew personally. So I don't want to like both their spa. There was an entire article about their scam. But one of the things that was a hallmark of how he scammed was getting other respected political people to vouch for him. And so once you're sort of in, and one person that, you know, is like authentic and like, legit vouches for you. In kind of like you kind of game. Stamp. And it sounds like traffic in wealthy well-connected people. So if you meet somebody who is actually wealthy and well connected. And they're like, oh, and as people, that's kind of like a hand stamp. Yeah, I find that if you the bigger, the lie, the more you might be like, well, no one would tell something as ridiculous as that because it could be easily checked. But if you have to do it with confidence, though, and kind of the way it sounds like her personality was one that kind of made, you believe she was this type of person this specific type of person, and that her accepting you inviting you to things it was kind of flattering, and you sort of wanted to be someone that Anna delve v wanted to have in her circle. Definitely. That's so part of it, when someone I mean two of the people who extensively went on the record about being scammed by Delhvi, both talk about sort of how she seemed but the kind of. A person who didn't really let people in and like, kind of seemed a little bit isolated and that because she chose to want to travel with them and wants to be good friends with them. It was almost sort of flattering, so basically, Rachel ends up going on this lavish trip to a villa in America, and you might be thinking we're call that sounds like a lot of money like a bed. It was expensive trip. Whatever you are thinking it was so much more lavish than that. They travelled a full-time Butler, who Anna was supposed to pay for. So Anna, it's supposed to be picking up the tab on this whole trip. Now here's a racial says that things took a turn. So Anna ends up booking a seven thousand dollar a night private Riyadh. Which is you haven't heard of that I have not either. It's a Moroccan villa with an interior courtyard, three bedrooms, and a pool and Anna ends up forwarding Rachel the confirmation Email, but due to some seemingly minor snafu the plane tickets had been put on Rachel's American Express card. And Anna basically it was like, oh, I'll pay you back. We'll pay you back, racial. I mean part of me thinks is thinking. So what are you doing part of me kind of gets it? She says did this all the time for work. I didn't give it a second thought. So you might be thinking, wow. I would never agree to this. But if you think your friend is rich, you maybe you would like I asked myself all the time, if I met this mysterious rich woman who seemed to be rich other rich, people knew her. She was throwing money around, she was Merrick hash. You know, I can't I don't know if I would do it or not, I can't say that my bullshit, detector will be going, and that I wouldn't do it. What about you? Yeah. I, I feel like reading this article was very enlightening to me because if you just sort of hear the details without the sort of personal all these personal aspects of it, it does sound like, well, why would you ever agree to that? But at this point, they had been friends for a while. And also, she wasn't Rachel wasn't the only person going personal trainer was going as well. Yeah. If if it's your friend, and she says she's going to pay for it. You've seen her put down a lot of money before. It's a trip that you probably are excited to go on, I don't think you'd have any real reason, if you'd seen all these other people for her to suspect, otherwise, I would be uncomfortable when it like it would have to be on my credit card. I think I would be uncomfortable but I, I don't think I would say anything because you do want the friendship to work. I mean I can just see I can see I can totally understand going along with this personally. Another aspect of it is sort of what I was talking about before that, if you were trying to maintain that you were wealthy person, I do. I mean, this is gonna sound like a vast generalization. It does make sense to me that someone who is massively massively wealthy would also be the kind of person who might be a bit careless with what they perceived as small amounts of money. I had a friend who was very, very wealthy, and she didn't work. She said it was able to work here and there in creative fields, and like was clearly being supported by her parents, but she never paid for a cab. She never paid for dinner, she would notoriously sort of walk out on the tab. It'll be like ten dollars twenty dollars. But because she just had a different sense of money than we did. And so for me, someone who is not rich, you know, if somebody picks up a tab for me, I make a mental note. I have to get them back. I have to pay them back. This is thirty dollars whatever. But I got the sense from being around her, that it's kind of hard to explain because she was so rich, a certain kind of laws as fair careless attitude about money just kind of probably confirmed that she was rich and I kind of way, does that make sense? It totally makes sense. I have I had a friend like that as well where there's kind of some resentment we had to talk about it because I always ended up paying for things, and he had way more money. Way more money than I did. And it just didn't seem to even occur to him that it would be sort of a bigger deal for me. And like I'm totally I wasn't saying he needed to pay for everything at all. But like equal let's share here. It just didn't seem to be as big a factor to him. So I'm not I'm not making this up. It does seem like it's a little bit of a thing totally. It does seem that way. Yes. So here's where it all starts to go. South for Anna and Rachel loss. Wrassling Anna's card gets declined. And of course, the racial asks the thing that everyone always asks on your Carter's decline. Oh, did you tell your banks that you're traveling? And she's like, no, I didn't. And so this again, sort of just like, oh, well, she's traveling. It's probably some sort of Bank issue. This is embarrassing to admit, but the times that I've had my credit card or my debit card declined. The cashier always gives you that very gracious. You know, maybe you need to call the Bank is probably a problem with your car. You know, they don't ever want to come out and say you have no money. That's always a very gracious very gracious. So basically, what happened after that is that the hotel kind of gets wind that there's no credit card on file for this. Extremely, extremely lavish villa. They're staying, then I'm sure cost. I mean at this point, if it seven thousand dollars a night at this point, it's probably so expensive. And once the hotel gets wise, basically, racial has to foot the Bill in order for them to leave. And again, that would be so I don't know what I'm doing that situation. If you're being held in a foreign country and you don't really have a lot of money and you, don't you're not able to leave. And listen Vanity Fair photo editor probably does not make that much money. This was probably an intensely terrifying thing for her. Oh, yeah. And in the article, she talks about how a hotel security was like, in their room, all the time, kind of waiting for them. Not letting them go anywhere. The personal trainers went with them. She had already left because she had a stomach issue. So she. Rachel was alone with Anna and Rachel by this point was stressed out as well. And she wanted to go ahead and leave, and they wouldn't let her leave and less somebody paid paid up put a credit card down, and Rachel is the one that had to do it, and I was saying, I can fix this. I can't do it now. She was kind of being she was very stressed about it and not being too clear about how to solve the problem. She, she was sort of, like, I'm not sure why this is happening. I don't understand offering any real solutions. I mean, you would hope that if you're superwealthy friend, you know, was this was happening that they would be like, oh, let me call. My dad, let me do this do that. But it doesn't surprise me. I mean, I'm sure that Rachel was very frustrated. But, again the way that she was acting does not surprise me that it didn't immediately kick in that. Oh, this girl has broke. And she's she scamming all of us. So when they get back to America Rachel's trying to get her money back and it really sounds. She started to kind of on Ravel. She writes, stress consumed by sleep and fuelled my days. My coworker saw me unravel. I came to the office. Looking pale and undone this sounds like this just take over her life this one trip. And this one arrangement with us one person that she happened to randomly meet in a hotel, so that it was trying to take over full life. Yeah. And wasn't it like seventy thousand dollars credit card? That's a lot of money so much money. I mean in the article it's quoted as being more than her three yearly salaries. This is a years worth of work that has gone because of this one person. That's an amount of money. I can't imagine if you thought you a friend was going to put it, and then all of a sudden, it's on you and you weren't anticipating it and you probably don't have it that level of stress must have been unbearable. Yeah. That would that would ruin my life. So, basically, racial gets the police involved and only then is the sort of grandest of, of this whole situation revealed to her. She was accused of. Defying documents from international banks, showing accounts abroad, the total balance of approximately sixty million euro, that's about seventy million American dollars. According to a press release from the New York county district attorney's office announced the indictment in late two thousand sixteen. She took those documents to the city national Bank in an attempt to secure twenty two million dollar loan creation or arts foundation and private club. When city national Bank denied alone. She showed the same documents to fortress investment group and midtown New York fortress agree to consider the loan of and provided one hundred thousand dollars to cover legal and due diligence expenses on January twelve seventeen almost a month before she returned to New York, Anna secured one hundred thousand dollar loan from city, national Bank by convincing, the Bank Representative that her overdraft her account, she allegedly promised a Bank that she would Rier funds shortly to cover the overdraft, which is a familiar thing in her world. She gave the Brown money to fortress. So basically, she was moving around so many different large. Entities of money like millions and millions of dollars and sort of. What's the expression like robbing Peter to pay Paul getting money from getting a loan secured from one Bank? And then using that loan to at another loan for another Bank, like a massive shell game where there was never really any money to begin with it kind of sounds like a pyramid scheme. But with, like people people in money no products at all. Just just one person convincing people, she had money somewhere and she'd get it back to you. Exactly. Exactly. And this quote that Rachel has from her piece kind of, you know, chronicling her nightmare with Anna really nails it, and represented the kind of life, we all wish we can have. It's too good to be true, the reality of Anna's behind the scenes dealings these figures flying from one account to another remains dizzying to this day that she was allegedly orchestrating such an elaborate scheme. Owning -taining a believable surface cool. We in her debit cards to pay for dinners workouts, beauty products and spot treatments. She conjured a glittering fiction list city, whatever. Wanted could be bought where everyone wanted to go was a cab or a plane ride away the task of performance sold itself and till it collapsed under the weight of its own ambition. It's part of why I believed her to continue to believe her who would think to make this up such an elaborate, tail and carry on, with this for so long who was she? How do you know anyone is really? And I think that line really does a great job with encapsulating. What makes someone like Ana? So, so kind of mystifying, you know, she really represented this world where everything is possible. It's not surprising to this all happened on the backdrop of New York City. Because when you live in New York as I did for a few years, it seems like there are two cities. Right. There's the one city where you are toiling, and you're always sweaty. And everything is always a nightmare and even something simple like wanting to get groceries or going to the Bank is a huge ordeal and everything is hard. And this, this when I lived in New York, my, my biggest memories were. By toil. Everything was it was always something like, just to get groceries was the biggest pain in the world. And I always felt like I was battling the city and then you would see these rich monied wealthy well-connected girls who seemingly lived in a different city that we lived, we lived in the same city, but we lived in two different cities in a kind of way, and I think, Anna represented, the possibility that you can live in a world where anything you want, whether it's a massage or a private workout or a trip to Marrakech, or a person is down whatever it is that you want. You can have it like that is so seductive. And of course, who wouldn't want that I think it is this sort of modern day, great Gatsby American dream, where you can move to New York with nothing and reinvent yourself to be this German heiress for everything is possible. Everything is at your fingertips. And I love that aspect of the story that she was his German eras. And that, quote, I think it's really well, written in it does capture a lot of why you, would you would go along with this, why it was believable. I mean to witness someone outwardly. So confident if if the money isn't there, but they're displaying no outward. That there's a problem. It it's it's impressive in a way it really is. I like someone who I have usually what I have money even if I'm always like expecting my credit card to get turned down. Like I always like, here's my credit card with a question Mark by. Sri credit cards gift cards. We were like there might be something on this one. And I'm just like secretly in turmoil that it's going to come back they're gonna be like, well, sorry, ma'am, but this did not go through. Meanwhile, she's gut, and Adele Via's. No money is just like confident again. Like I know she's a bad person for scamming people who didn't have a ton of money. But part of me has to sort of admire that confidence, where when you walk up to a cashier, and you give your credit card to buy something lavish and your credit card is declined instead of being like, oh, I don't have any money which all of us would do somehow making it. It's like let me talk to a manager. It's like the person who has that kind of audacity that person is so not me and I'm fascinated by that person. She really took fake it until you make it to its alternate. It's. Highest point to the most extreme. Yeah. Exactly. So another sort of major player in the whole Anna Delhvi saga is NEF naturally really has emerged as sort of the bulk hero that we all deserve in this story Nath is like me, a black girl from Washington DC shout out to net flix executives who are already turning Anna Delhvi story into a Netflix show if you need someone to play nest, please call me because this was the role I was born to play networked at the hotel where Anna, he was living and really gives a different, a different glimpse into the scam. So, basically Neff says that Anna delve e one of the sort of layers of her scam was that she would treat the people in the hotel, very, very nicely. It's like basically become their friends and bear in mind this hotel, where she was living and not paying the bills, but she was reading of thousands of dollars, but by befriending the staff, it kind of gives you a certain kind of power. To be able to do that. Yeah. They want you to your nice to them. They want to believe that you are a nice person in that the money is there like they want to give you that benefit of a doubt. Exactly, my favorite quote about Anna, from Neff. She says, you know, however, Yano walks out with wine glasses, that was Anna and they let her by the Selvi. So if you don't know what that means basically Riyan it is often photographed pretty much illegally leaving restaurants going onto the street. They full glass of wine for the restaurant where she was just dining. I think it's against the law to, like leave to get a drink at the bar at a restaurant, and then, like, unless they're in New Orleans to destroy out onto the street, but they let her, and that's what she's saying, like any Dehlvi had that kind of vibe where she would do these things, and people would just let her race. And notice the same rich people who act nonchalantly about money vibe, as Rachel that is it seems to be one of the key. She things that sold her scam when you're super-rich, you can be forgetful in this way, which is maybe why no one thought much of the instances in which Anna did things that seemed odd for wealthy person calling a friend to have her put a taxi from the airport on her credit card are asking to sleep on someone's couch are moving into someone's apartment with the tacit agreement to pay rent, and then not doing it. Maybe she had so much money. She had just lost track of it. Yeah. That actually reminds me my rich friend, that I mentioned earlier, I helped her move out of her place. And I put her U-Haul on my credit card because I was picking up. You hold on meet her, and she never paid for it, and he became a big thing. And eventually, when I was like I need my money for that, you hall, she'd just forgotten that it just slipped her mind that that's what I'm saying. This is not it's for someone who is super wealthy. This does not sound strange to me. It may seem strange but it was only like, oh, she's just one of those rich people who doesn't think about money like that. Yeah. From what I read. She kind of had this flighty vibe b. Being sort of forgetful, so I can see just sort of writing it off as a part of her personality, as well, totally it does kind of sound like throwing money around and making it so that people kind of, oh, you feel obligated to not point out the inconsistencies of your scam is part of her armor, Neff writes about how she wants called something out that she found a bit odd about Anna, this rich person who actually legitimately was rich. Anna had told Neth that this person's father, they were about being investment partners. This person I had stock in this hotel. And so, when Neff mentioned this to that to the rich guy, the rich guy was like, don't you think that, if my father had an investment partner staying at a hotel, where he that he owns that person will be staying in a suite like a little deluxe room when asked Anna about this? Do you ever just have someone do you so many favors you kind of want to pay them back in silence? And I mean, come on. That is a great line. That is kind of a movie really. Hollywood, Hollywood couldn't write something better than that. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. Another great tidbit about Anna story is just what a bold they scammer. She was one of my favorite points is that the personal trainer that you mentioned earlier when Anna was still stuck in America ish. And she'd been low key scamming this woman and didn't have a way to get back to the United States. So she asked if this woman could put a plane ticket on her credit card, and that Anna would quote pay her back later but we all know that goes and the woman, said, sure, I guess I will Anna asked can you get me first class, which, again, it's such a impressive display that it's hard for me to not sort of love it. I think she, she really tapped into that kind of how people behave when you are used to that type of money that, if you're used to first class anything money is no big deal. And that's just something you sort of expect you would ask for first class. I think she's sort of understood this class of people pretty well. And she played the role very well. Yeah. I think she I think you're right. That she knew the markers of how to make these people who were not money, but who were in her orbit believe the scam like you know, it's like how magicians they have, like a flashy thing. And they know that you're going to your is going to be drawn to it. But that it's actually a Mr. x like these little things that make you believe in the scam. Yeah. Absolutely. So we have a little bit more to talk about, but we're going to pause for one more quick break for word from our sponsor. I can't believe it. That Gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets. Look, here comes one point seven percent decrease in finished overhead. I know everybody. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on car insurance guy. Go, you don't projected increase in organic two-three revenue. Believe it. Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. And we're back. Thank you sponsor. So nets version of the story, kind of begins to unravel the same way they did for virtual, which is having to pick up a big Bill for a pricey meal. It sounds like they went out to this big meal, the waiter came back to a station and began entering the credit card numbers. So basically, it sounds like Anna gave him a bunch of credit card numbers and had the waiter, put a bunch of them, and see if they would work, and none of them did says, I started to sweat, because I knew the Bill was mine, the amount of the Bill was about three hundred dollars which isn't a lot of money compared to the other bills that Anna was racking up. But it was a lot of money for somebody like Neth who ended up having a cover the Bill into that doing so made her feel sick. But after all the money it spent on her she understood that it was her turn. Yeah. I can I can see that too, like you don't want to argue about money, necessarily with someone who has been at least in your understanding paying for the Bill up to that point. Exactly. Exactly. And yeah, that's really when things took a turn and really for what I think, was really the hard part here. Was this idea that this was so intersected with Nef's work because she was staying at the hotel, where network, and so at one point, they realize Anna has no credit card on file, and she basically have been living in this hotel, and the management of the hotel came to NAFTA, help, her sort it out. And they were like kid, did you did you know, this person was staying your credit card like blah, blah, blah, and then a classic scammer move when this was brought up to Anna by Neth Anna compensated by buying bottles of expensive, champagne for the hotel staff thinking, like, oh, if I get them a pricey gift, maybe that'll smooth things over, and it didn't pay, and eventually, they locked her out of her room again. With Scott Pruitt happened to him too. Yes. More similarities more similarities, so, in April and deposited one hundred and sixty thousand dollars with a bad checks into the same account and some those able to withdraw seventy thousand dollars from that account before they were returned, and that's how she managed to pay off her hotel. So, again, really, like moving money around using one scam to pay off another person that she had scammed and again, keep in mind Nevin, Anna, we're really cozy. They were buddy, buddy and network at this hotel. So of course, it got her into all kinds of hot water with her job. I'm sure net rights in the cut that at one point they called her into the office may said no about this. She says she started tying laughing and she says that he thought it was kind of a boss move. So now that I really see eye to eye here, kind of way where even though it's a massive scam. You kinda gotta respect it. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. Just the level of it, the scale and to have so many people sort of pulled into it. There's a part of part of you that sort of has to has to respect. I gotta give credit where credit is due on this one so later and deposited too bad checks into an account. She had signature Bank, netting her eight thousand two hundred dollars. And this is how she ended up being able to take what she called a planned trip to California where she was arrested outside of passages and Malibu and brought back to New York where she faces six counts of grand larceny, and attempted grand larceny. In addition to theft of services, according to the indictment, and the cut got to the real Anna behind the scam, Anna Sorkin, who's born in Russia in nineteen ninety one and moved to Germany in two thousand seven when she was sixteen with her younger, brother and her parents and attended high school in ice filer, a small working class town, sixty kilometers outside of Colonia near the Belgian and Dutch border. She's not actually ARIS, her dad worked as a truck driver and later as an executive at a transport company until it became insolvent in two thousand thirteen whereupon. He opened a heating and cooling business. Specializing in energy efficient devices. So even though there was no truth. The her being this rich, German heiress, I think a lot of Americans myself included probably know so little about Germany, that, if she said, oh, I'm from this small town in Germany. It would even even if you knew that town with not fancy and wealthy. Sounds like a working class town, you might buy into it a little bit like oh, she says she's from this town. In germany. Sounds fancy. Well, it's kind of funny because they think it also plays on the fear that we all have a looking stupid, right or being embarrassed. You want to sound like, oh, sure, I know where that is like you're educated. And you're aware of that world. You don't want to admit that you don't know something. So kind of. Plays on just the human nature of trying to fit in and sound intelligent in front of people. Well, that actually reminds me of another scammer couple that I love a couple that scammed their way into the Obama administration's state dinner. So their last name was Solahi, and somebody wrote that because this was a state dinner, and you had lots of, like, orange diplomats and foreign important people because their name sound a little bit like imp-. It could be the name of an important couple from abroad, that, that was one of the reasons they were able to test scam their way into this dinner so easily because nobody wants to look at the doorman, who is giving this important. Foreign couple a hard time. So maybe it's just better to let them in, even though they aren't important couple. But, you know that, that idea of not wanting to a embarrassed somebody who was important or be being barest. Because you didn't know who this important person was definitely feeds into it. Sure. And like fear of being called out on. Your insurance on something or causing a kind of scene. I can completely understand wanting to avoid that and just going along with a and then finding out it was all big a big lie. So another thing I love about this whole Anna situation is that when the cut interviewed her from prison, she still sort of maintained that these grand ideas opening this, fancy art club for rich people. She's still maintains that they were actual plans that she had they weren't wasn't a scam. She actually believed that she could move enough money around and fun this thing and make all the money back. If it's true, it's always a more believable story at there is a little bit of truth to it. You know if there's like just a peppering of, of true things in there. That's the crux of any good. Scam is a little bit of truth. Yes. Exactly. So this lion cut. I think crystallizes for me, why this is such a fascinating story, right about her grand plans to open this art club. They right. Maybe it could have happened in this city where enormous amounts of invisible money, trade hands, every day or glass, towers are built on paperwork promises. Why not if Abby Rosen, the son of holocaust survivors, could come to New York, and fill skyscrapers full of art? If the credentials could build a billion dollar empire out of literally nothing, if a movie star like the coda Johnson could sculptor ass, so that it could become the anchor of a major franchise. Why couldn't add Elvy during the course of my reporting people kept asking why this girl, she wasn't super hot? They pointed out or. Or pretty charming. She wasn't even very nice. How did she manage to convince an enormous amount of cool successful people that she was something she clearly wasn't watching the Rikers guard, shove bath company into a Manila envelope? I realized with Anna had in common with the people that she'd been studying on the pages of that magazine. She saw something others didn't and looked at the soul of New York and recognize that if you distract people with shiny objects with large wads of cash with the Indika of wealth. If you show them the money they will be virtually an able to see anything else. And the thing was it was so easy. I love that quote so much. Because I think it's true. I mean, Anna Delhvi scammed her friends, a lot of whom didn't really have that much money to begin with and side. No. We actually don't even know the deaths of scams. But when you look at, like it does kind of make you think is in America kind of one big scam. And in a kind of way that is one of the reasons why we're so fascinated by her story and stories like hers, because we see people sort of scam their way into success all the time and kind of way it just seems like what this country is built on. I love that quote to, and it's sort of reminds me of every time I go to Las Vegas. I have a weird. This just a weird feeling in being there that I can't look away from this. This is like. Humanity at its bassist like pleasure entertainment seeking. I it's really hard to describe, but I think that Anna was able to tap into, if you do have a large amounts of cash, or shiny things to distract people that we are so hung up on this, and it's sort of, like reveals the superficial aspect of humanity. That is both fascinating and kind of upsetting. It's a really interesting dichotomy. Definitely. I'm sure folks are so tired of hearing me make this connection. But I do think there is a little bit of a social media aspect to this, because NFL Instagram is still up, and she has the artifice of someone living, the lifestyle of a of a mysterious wealthy traveling rich girl. She has that down. So well. And I think it's what you're saying. It's like if you can have the trappings of wealth. Sort of, shiny artifice of wealth that really it can be so distracting that even though you know, it's not real. You kind of let yourself believe it. And I think that's what Anna traffic in, even though we know like there is no free lunch. I if someone befriends, you and says they're going to with you way to Morocco for free as probably not true. But it feels so good to believe that you could live life like that. I just this really just reminds me of my time living in New York. When I would just look at these these, these young women who were the same age, I was. And I would want their life so badly. I'll never forget this time I had to go to kinko's to fill because I was filling out this paperwork, and it was really intense like involved, having to get things copied and triplicate and all of this. I had to go to kinko's kinko's was a little bit far away from my apartment and the subway wasn't working. And so the only subway that I could take to get there was was not working. So I had to walk. And so I walked it was like a few miles, and the hot hot sun. When I got to kinkos it was close, and I was like, overcome with this feeling of dread and sort of turmoil. And I turned around to go back to walk back home, because there was no other way to get home. I couldn't afford a cab a train was down. What was it? When I turned around I turned around to pick we and I, I ran smack dab into a roadside and broke my glasses. Oh, and so, so I sat down on the stupid Williamsburg and somebody opened the window of the stoop by the sitting, and it was like can you leave? Can you math it on my stoop? Right in that moment, this black car full of beautiful thin, young girls. Probably my fame age guy out of this car. They were impeccably dressed. They were like hipster. Chic, they were laughing. We're the Pitta me of Brooklyn and carefree. And I remember thinking we live in two different cities at that moment felt so I've never felt Dir. Dirty or sweatier or grocer or more sort of down on my luck. I want to be clear, there are people who are living much, much harder lives than I was living in Brooklyn. But in that moment, I felt very down and seeing this, these glittering girls who just seem to float on air, getting out of a towncar, a private towncar. I remember wanting that so badly so badly wanting to know what that life would be like to just wherever you wanted to go. There's a towncar away, you know what I'm sure these girls have problems I was definitely projecting my own stuff on them. But I see that an Anna where, you know, Vanity Fair photo editor who makes sixty grand a year in one of the most expensive cities in the world probably sees someone like Ana and what they offer as so intoxicated. And I do that you that you could be within grasp of it. I don't blame anybody for getting caught up in her in her whirlwind. No, I don't either. It's like a tale of two cities for these are modern times. It is though, I know I know what are thinking. Like why did you do a whole episode on this? But it is it really demonstrates a lot of class aspiration and sort of the perversion of class aspiration. I think yeah. I think you're completely. Correct. So that's been our, our first and we'll probably a mini series on scammers. Oh, you know, I could talk scammers all day. There was one time I was watching this documentary on Netflix and somebody came over to my house. And I was like, oh, I've been trying to watch this documentary on, on wine, a Netflix for so long, and he was like documentary about wine on Netflix, because that does not sound like something that you'd be into, and I was like, oh, actually it's about this wine scammer, who ended up scamming all these fancy wine types, buying counterfeit wine. And he said, oh, that sounds that sounds right. I speaking, you would not be watching just a straight by the books documentary about wine somebody would have to be getting scammed, but be interested. Well, if you listeners, have any suggestions for, for scammers that we should talk about, please send them to us. And if you're a scammer, if you're currently scamming, give us a call. What's tough? Let's talk about your scams. Bridgette bridgette would love love more more than anything over MU. Yeah. And in the meantime, let's talk about some listener mail. Okay. Jacqueline wrote sports fandom slash. This is about our fan fiction episode. It exist are PF is not solely limited to one direction. I'm myself these days tend to read and write football RPF, I think our demographics, Lance a little bit older than average. Most folks, I know in it are in the mid twenties to mid thirties. I also know people who write a lot of hockey or PF, but I don't follow hockey enough to really know more than some of the main players and ships in both cases though. I think, in addition to exploring everything you mentioned about deeper relationships between folks, we already see in canon, there's something kind of interesting about exploring masculinity issues of homophobia, and very public life. Particularly an exclusively male spaces. Maybe I like pertain to be a fly on the wall. I don't know. But that's definitely part of it. There's also a contingent who writes, Tim slash usually about the American women's national team women's football outside of. US W, N T tends to be pretty small fandom generally, so if you're like me and follow Brazil, w and t r. Chelsea ladies. You're just SOL, it's interesting because my academic research has put me in contact with several professional footballers, some of whom appear periodically in Fiqh, the ones, I know aren't that famous, but it's happened and they definitely know some of the guys who regularly star logically be kind of weird. There's a really firm separation and compartmentalization in the phantom between ships spic and real life characterization in Fiqh is mostly drawn from interviews and social media personalities but I don't think anyone thinks. Oh boy. I don't know much about sports these two sports. Or secretly love or whatever present them with slash fan works in person, which I suppose, does make it a bit different from some live action phantoms, like supernatural or vendors. Maybe you go, there was actually a panic when an editor from deadspin wanted to do an article on football RPF centered around New York City, f c players this led to me and some other folks, I know changing the privacy settings on some postings on AOL three happily article was dropped while, I don't think many of our shamed of our writing hobby per se source. Fandom can get super toxic and our little corner eo three and tumbler tends to be pretty much troll free. The concern was that added attention from say or slush locker would lead to writers being harassed. I don't know if that concern was really logical. But hey, like the rest of fan fiction football RPF is very much produced and consumed by women and non binary, folks. The few cisgenders men, I know who exist around it. And I don't even think these two right are gay and. This was in the wake of gamer gate. So I think everyone on the was still on high alert, naturally most of us have been put through the fake geek, girl test. At least once we all have individual horror stories, but usually they go something along the lines of some dude. Etta pup, thinking we're only there for boyfriend or if we are there alone, it's only because the players are cute. Ironically, the folks that produce thick in this phantom of the biggest tactics in history nerds. I know if some dude really wants to quiz them on, who was in the typical Manchester United starting eleven in one thousand nine hundred six I think, for it jokes on you random public drag my male. Friends two matches for my clubs and I can Ogle in hazards bubble. But while still knowing when he's awesome. And that dries Mertens is the superior Bilgin striker. I totally butchered that name apologies at any rate, female football fans are often victims of 'gate-keeping not unlike female fans and more traditionally geek spaces, but I wouldn't try with the FanFest writers, they know there's anyway, this has gotten long if. You made it through many things for your patience. I really enjoy the women in queer folks side of football fandom. And I always love sharing it with interested parties. It's been incredibly supportive and a wonderful way to meet folks from all over the world while then it's fascinating. Yeah, I just I thought that was really interesting because I can only imagine kind of the intersection of fan fiction and sports fandom can get pretty toxic and I'm happy to hear that there are these pockets on the internet. The have gotten away from the it sounds fascinating to me. Yeah, of course, people out there writing fan fiction about athletes, this never occurred to me. But as soon as we read the Email, I thought, oh, of course, people are doing that. Of course. They are. I love it. Yeah, I do too, and please keep sending in everyone who sent in their fan fiction. Thank you. Please keep them coming. Please do. Next letter. Nicole wrote, I was so excited to listen to this two parter and fan fiction. I've got a little fan fiction as a teen. I am now. May mid twenties recently begun to write some fantastic. And because I find it fun, a relaxing creative outlet and good practice for writing my own original fiction as well. You touched a little on how women can explore their sexuality through fan fiction and I wanted to share my own experiences. I have not been any fan fiction of sexual content identify as bisexual and recently married to a great guy, I have been with most of my adult life. I have found that the more quote smutty fan fiction is the way to express the knowledge the aspects of my sexuality that all outside of my hetero, monogamous relationship through the safe independent medium of reading, fantastic. I also learned about many different kinks that I have discovered new ones. I've brought into conversation with my husband and we both agree. It is supported us, and being more open and more sex positive than we were raised to be recently thirteen year old female friend of the family was caught reading from sexually explicit thick on her. What had account and I thought the reaction of her parents was a little shaming, including banning or from account and sharing their confronts with others. All there are certainly some smutty out there that it's questionable such as. Incest, fix much or sexuality and a healthy way and often in a way that it knowledge is emotional aspects of sex as well. I think in this way, explicit fantastic might just be one more positive way to explore sexuality than most porn, which is certainly something that many, parents would struggle. They caught a son rather than a daughter looking at PS your comment at the end of part to you about making lemonade out of lemons might have been funnier than, you know, lemon is a term for smutty scenes and fan Fiqh who knew Nicole thank. I'd love to say that we knew that, and that we were making a really clever joke, but I didn't know that aunty did you? I did. But I didn't catch it when you when you made that comment I did not together. But that is really funny. I had a friend when we were probably thirteen her parents caught her reading some dirty fan fiction, and I mean dirty for thirteen year olds perhaps. And they banned her from her count, and I shared my printed fan fiction with her. I was a little little instigator trying to keep her with the hookup. I love it. I love it. You were like underground fan fiction network. Yeah, I kind of was. So I love all these, these letters about people who have found community and fan fiction. I I'm really happy that, that exist exists for us on the internet. And it does sound like it can be a healthy sexual outlet. Oh for sure for sure. And even I just think that since I do feel we publicly don't really allow young women to express extra -ality or talk about it. I think that it is a way to explore things and figure out things about yourself. Safely. And there are definitely problematic things and picture that I'm not saying there aren't. But I think in general, it is a positive thing that it is it is out there, and it is a way to, to talk about to explore these things about yourself. Definitely, honestly, it seems like the fan fiction episodes really struck a chord with folks, I'm happy that folks are still writing in and like any said, please keep setting us, those fan fictions. Yes. We're still we were not joking about the fan fiction with high production value. Well, higher production value. We'll see what we can do little like many series. So keep keep sending them in. We are working on that you can Email us at a mom stuff at how stuff works dot com and you can also find us on social media. Can't you Bridget? Absolutely. Can we are on Twitter mom stuff podcast, and we were on Instagram at stuff? 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Full Episode: Tuesday, July 23, 2019

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Full Episode: Tuesday, July 23, 2019

"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment schedule secure video or phone sessions plus chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash nightline good evening. Thank you for joining us as T._v.. Shows and movies pushed the boundaries of sex on screen. A new movement has begun offscreen in part because of the metoo movement to make sure the actress bearing all feel protected. Here's nightline co anchor Juju Chang what thank her that I wanted to right here right now. Almost nothing is off limits. H._B._O.'s latest boundary pushing show euphoria feel in the gritty teen drama stars and data and a web of young actors portraying drug use and hard for sex among high-school maps in one graphic scene turning what appears to be a brutal rape great budget like the head of what I like that into an intimate moment between two sexually confused teenagers don't do it can't posture ask my first euphoria seems to revel in it's dark sexually explicit portrait uh of the American teenager as dramas become edgier. There's a need for a new kind of safety net one that allows actors to feel safe onset and legally define how much skin they show and how much sex they engage in on screen. It's amazing how much better the product is when the actors no. They're going to work and are not going to be sexually assaulted that day. They're called intimacy coordinators. Someone whose job it is to oversee and even choreographed graf sex scenes pre-planning every embrace every touch and how has being an intimacy coordinator like being a stunt coordinator we are not actually having sex onset but we are telling the story of that there are ways to cheat that there there are ways to also do it safely with <hes> hygiene sexual health all of that in mind Alicia Rodas helped create intimacy directors international a former actor herself. Her group literally wrote the handbook for Intimacy U._C.. L. onstage and onscreen there's physical health and there's emotional health of the actors. How do you look out for both with emotional health to make sure that someone isn't being traumatized to make sure that someone isn't being harassed? We I met up in Manhattan where her services are now. In high demand working multiple projects including season three of the deuce centered on the porn industry in the seventies. There are the first T._v.. Show to pull me in and say. We know we need something. We think this is what we need so I think we're all going to figure out how this works together after positive feedback from the DEUCE H._B._O.. Now requires an intimacy coordinator on all of it's scripted shows it is good for business business on one hand it. It is covering your ass on the other hand. They realize that they're like this is not for us. This is for the industry. They're all kicking themselves as to. I can't believe we didn't think of this before and my sense is that what made them think of it. Now is a Hashtag movement known as me two times up absolutely. I don't think anyone had any idea how big of an issue it really was last year. Actress rose McGowan Cowan told me about intimate moments she filmed while building her career a string of nude scenes including in going all the way a thou- wrong. I felt the scene felt like what it really felt like which felt like exposed. It didn't creepy and not right. You said you cried afterwards. Yes why I have zero problem with nudity but it wasn't my choice in tool. Get there and I had to do these things. It's an issue that's long plagued Hollywood balancing the art of simulating sex with the toll it takes on actors. I did build this incredible bikini out of these pasties. Sometimes it's awkward as Sandra Bullock described her sex scene in time to kill. I'm not one of those people who's a good exhibitions at other times. It can be overwhelming as Jennifer Lawrence explained here in a round table for the Hollywood reporter. I had my first real sex scene. It was just very vulnerable. You never you don't know what's too much and you don't you don't WanNa do it real when everything would be real but then you're like but often it can be traumatic in an op Ed actress Salma Hayek accused Harvey Weinstein of forcing her to do a lesbian sex scene the demanded full frontal nudity she wrote my body wouldn't stop crying and convulsing vaulting adding I had to take a tranquilliser to get through the scene. Weinstein responded in a statement saying all the sexual allegations as portrayed by Salma are not accurate. Kim Masters has been reporting on harassment allegations in Hollywood since the ninety s the we've seen what was a very pervasive culture of abuse and we still hear reports of abuse. It's been a matter of concern for a long time but I find that the culture of Hollywood is frustratingly slow to change on the set of the provocative show euphoria twenty six-year-old Amanda Blumenthal has joined the growing ranks of intimacy coordinators. These sets now so guarded we weren't even allowed to bring our cameras. Why would it matter to an actor to be not exposed or not exposed when potentially millions of people are brought to see them naked it can be you know really scary to get out there and to take your clothes off in front of people and it just feels very vulnerable to be in that position so these these are our modesty garments right here for Blumenthal a day at the office includes this treasure trove of modesty garments designed to help actors feel less exposed for men? We also have what's called a Hebrew and this is a stick. Gone strapless Pani okay so this one has adhesive part of my prep with actors. I tell them how to put the new garments on <hes> so with man I told them all the contents go in the pouch. Why is it important to have choreography? Having choreography geography is really important so that actors can consent to where they're going to be touched before we do the scene so when I work with actors I make sure to talk with them about whether or not they're okay with things like having their hair pulled happen and then if they are and especially if it's part of the choreography we practice it in rehearsal. She says part of her job is to protect actors from being coerced into doing more than they agreed to one of her tools legal agreements agreements known as nudity riders. Give me an example of the types of body parts that pop up in a nudity writer it can get a specific as like we can only see like the upper right quadrant of someone's but we can only see the left nipple how can director end up being coercive or bullying actor or actress into doing a sexy or nude scene that they may not be comfortable with they can threaten them with safe. It's a T._v.. Series saying Oh we're going to write let you off the show if you won't do more nudity or sex for us but it doesn't even have to be a direct threat. It could be an implicit threat now. Oh absolutely Rhodus believes intimacy coordinators are already making a difference pointing to violent. I've seen in season two of the deuce between Actors Emily Meade and Gary Car so in this scene basically he assaults her sexually assaults her. It's between a pimp and the prostitute and it was a very emotional scene. It was cold it was painful and someone said you know that's your last seen with Gary and they both started to cry and like hugged each other and I thought how awesome is that that we just filmed this really gruesome <hes> nonconsensual sex scene and they're not in some traumatized you know place from doing this scene this new age of consent now extending beyond Hollywood to Broadway and college theaters. Let's make us up and then I'll explain these contraptions as soon as we're all settled here. I'm running a workshop today. At Sarah Lawrence. It's a consent and communication walk so how to approach and have the communication vacation of working on scenes of intimacy a new crop of creatives hoping to disrupt the power structure in Hollywood dasher in a new generation of accountability what we absolutely need though to seek diversity Eddie and proper conduct in the workplace is more women more people of Color in the executive suites. That's the only thing that's going to change anything for nightline. Juju Chang in Los Angeles up next the price. One woman paid paid for befriending a fake heiress technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options. CAPTERRA is here to help you read thousands of real reviews on software options specific to your business needs at Capterra dot com slash nightline with over eight hundred fifty thousand reviews of products from real software users. You'll discover for everything you need to make a well informed decision unsure of where to start go to capterra dot com slash nightline and use the searcher categories option to find your exact needs check it out for free visit CAPTERRA DOT com slash nightline to find the tools to make an informed software decision for Your Business Capterra dot com slash nightline capterra. That's C.. A. P. T. E. R. R. A. dot com slash nightline capterra software selection simplified take globetrotting life of glitz Glamour for one woman masquerading as an heiress ending up with her behind bars now the former friend who says she was duped by the scammer speaking out about falling under the spell of lavish lives. Here's A._B._C.'s Denver rockets. She just was very impulsive and free spirited and charming. I really liked turn and adobe made an impression on everyone she met were you sort of seduced by her in her behavior in some ways I'd say yes I was captivated by I was sort of fascinated by her. Willingness to just challenge boundaries boundaries claiming to be German heiress with a sixty seven million dollar trust fund. She talked her way into exclusive New York parties and nightclubs which is how she met Rachel Williams in two thousand sixteen then a twenty eight year old photo editor or at Vanity Fair magazine in my late twenty s was a period of major transition for me and my friends a lot of them were getting married or having babies are leaving the city and I was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend. The pair soon became inseparable living the glamorous life of two young women in Manhattan. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms in sort of do what she wanted to some degree probably because he's <hes> young white female also a lot of it had to do with her specific term she seemed good-willed twenty five year old Anna Treated Rachel two drinks and dinners at exclusive restaurants and even three hundred dollar cholera pop private fitness sessions electoral and so we have a lot of fun together but would Rachel didn't know is that her friend was living a lie and Adele was actually Anna Sorkin? The Russian born daughter of middleclass ask parents a hotel hopping social drifter now behind bars for a series of wide ranging scams. She wont across New York City. How do you feel about Anna's Oregon today? I wish sociopath Rachel's now speaking on. Camera for the first time about how she says her former friend betrayed her tail. She recounted her new book. My friend Anna the true story of a fake eras. I don't actually feel a lot of anger mostly. I just feel ah I would like to never cross paths with again. In the beginning. Rachel had no reason to down her big-spending new friend came from wealth given her jet setting lifestyle and big ambitions. She wanted to lease this giant building a house. <hes> an art collection Jenna Gallery Space Members Only Lounge Shave referred to this family trust she had which I didn't pry about but it sort of informed my understanding of her figured she had money. Yes she came for money and that came out over time in the spring of two thousand Seventeen Rachel L. tells us Anna offered an all expenses paid trip to Marrakech in a lavish seventy five hundred dollar a night villa shockingly opulent. Your eyes must have been popping in New York. We did things that Rocco GEICO. That's when it was kind of like Oh like I thought I stayed your world but actually this is ridiculous. It was <hes> I mean it was amazing until it wasn't that's because Rachel says suddenly Anna's credit cards mysteriously weren't working when it was time to set up with the hotel the managers began to pull an aside and sort of slowly escalating that there is some tension between Anna and the hotel after a few days of Hounding Anna the hotel had had enough Menendez stood in our villa and they're waiting for her to fix it and they want payment. Yes they want credit card that works right there right now like they're done waiting. Rachel tells us she's fearful of being stranded in a foreign country so she offers her recorded cards as a temporary backup even though she can't afford it I knew early on Friday morning when I land. I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parents how much sixty two thousand dollars sixty two thousand thousand dollars. How did you even wrap your mind around that? It was such a complex paralyzing moment for me. She owed me more money than I made any year back in New York. Anna doesn't send Rachel the money instead making aching. Excuse after excuse texting I will get it sorted so you have this week Rachel replying. I'm in serious trouble Anna. What friend leaves another person in this situation for this long what is going on for you internally? I am <hes> with my rent and late with my credit card payments. I'm like in a lot of trouble Rachel's convinced that she's been duped and goes to authorities in the summer of two thousand seventeen police arrest Anna Sorkin in Malibu California if she did this to me and I was her friend she would do it to anybody and I just wanted to protect other people. Anna is charged with Grand Larceny attempted Grand Larceny and theft of services during the trial prosecutors is arguing. She stole more than a quarter of a million dollars from banks hotels and a private jet operator to fund a lavish lifestyle and his attorney insisting Rachel is not a victim. I don't believe a criminal act occurred. occurred she made a voluntary choice to put this debt on her credit card. She didn't have to Rachel testified facing her former friend in court. I wasn't sure what to expect and I did look at her. She was smirking at me. Did it unnerves you know shockingly I thought it would but I think understanding her for who she was. It caused her to lose her power and she became no longer scary to me. In May twenty eight-year-old Anna Sorkin was convicted of eight H. charges against her including Grand Larceny but found not guilty of defrauding Rachel. Some of the jurors didn't feel sympathetic for your situation with Anna. How did that feel for you? That was that was devastating thing to have shared so publicly something that was so deeply personal and painful for me was extremely hard and then to have that come out as the takeaway was extremely upsetting. Anna was sentenced to four Oh to twelve years in prison and ordered to pay nearly two hundred thousand dollars in restitution as for that huge credit card bill. Did you have to pay that money. Ultimately think thank goodness American Express did CORETEC me be hotel charge which was the bulk of the expenses the story of the so-called so Ho- scammer has caught Hollywood's. I N sold rights to her story to Netflixing Shonda rhimes but legally can't profit from it instead the money will go to payback those she scammed H._B._O.. Purchased the rights to William Story and currently working on an adaptation to be held by Lena Dunham. Now some people would say you're benefiting from this ordeal that you've suffered through that you got a movie deal with this is now your opportunity to cash in. There's a lot of Heidrick to to turn what was actually extremely hard and upsetting and world rocking it was it was a lot of hard work to turn that into a positive when you look back on it. Should you have known better I think I I wanted to see the good in her and I think it's important to see reality and to understand what's right and trust you. Trust your head for nightline. I'm Deborah Roberts in New York and finally tonight there may be no stronger bond on earth and a mother and child no matter the distance or age. Here's exhibit a that's twenty four year old U._S.. National Guard Sergeant Christopher Williams arriving in Savannah Georgia and surprising his mom when the sightseeing being trolley she drops parents and loved ones of all service members can relate prayers answered her babies home chicken skin moment every Mama's boy around the world. Thank you Sergeant Williams <music> and welcome home. That's nightline. You can always catch her full episodes on Hulu. Thanks for the company America good night. Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling.

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Full Episode: Friday, July 26, 2019

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Full Episode: Friday, July 26, 2019

"Is there something that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you connect with your professional counselor in a private online environment schedule secure video or phone sessions plush chat chat and text with your therapist listeners. Get Ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash perspective A._B._C. News. This is perspective closer. Look at the weeks top stories and the stories you. You may have missed. I'm Cheri Preston coming up or special counsel Robert Muller finally testified on Capitol. Hill report did not include that he did not commit a show suggest that is correct and what about total exoneration you actually totally exonerate the president written names. It's new Prime Minister Boris Johnson months away from Brexit flat out with my team that I will build a few days to repay. Hey Your copay has been in the meantime campaign is over the web and Ole Miss Student murder and the arrest of her former classmate. She was probably one of the most positive radio. I'm just GonNa less how the fact that she was always there air for me if I needed to talk to her all ahead on perspective this was the week that former special counsel Robert Muller testified after his two year long investigation into Russian meddling in the presidential election are more was questioned by Democrats who breast the former special counsel on potential obstruction of justice by president trump and by Republicans who questioned him on the process of his investigation A._B._C.. News Congressional correspondent Respondent Mary Bruce Breaks Down Muller's testimony on Capitol Hill Robert Muller Walking into a hearing two years in the making you swear he was a reluctant witness but Democrats forced him to appear pressing him on whether the president obstructed obstructed justice director Mueller the president has repeatedly claimed that your report found there was no obstruction and that it completely and totally exonerated him but that is not what you report said is it correct is the report says the report did not conclude that he did not commit obstruction of justice. Is that correct that is correct and what about total exoneration did you actually totally exonerate the president now but muller did not reach conclusion on obstruction because the Justice Department office of Legal Counsel says sitting president cannot be indicted but can he be charged after he leaves office. You could charge the president United States with obstruction of justice after he left office again and and again Democrats went back to the report to highlight the ten incidents of possible obstruction by the president including when trump allegedly ordered his former White House counsel Don mcgann to fire Muller when the request was reported in the New York Times mcgann said the president told told him to deny it the president said quote fake news folks fake news a typical New York Times fake story in quote correct but your investigation actually found substantial evidence that mcgann was ordered by the president of fire you correct yes but did the President Obstruct Muller Republicans pointed out mother kept his job never fired a special counsel Mr Method of no now where where are you allowed to complete get your investigation unencumbered. Yes Republicans argued Muller was out of bounds for offering examples of potential obstruction without drawing a conclusion you wrote one hundred eighty pages one hundred eighty pages about decisions that weren't reached about potential all crimes that weren't charged speak for a second muller offered a passionate defence of his team as Republicans accused them of political bias in this business for almost twenty five years and who knows twenty-five years. I have not had occasion wants to ask ask somebody about their political affiliation. It is not done what I care about is the capability of the individual to do the job and do the job quickly and seriously and with Integrity Still Republicans said it's over. It's time for the curtain to close on the Russia. Hoax conspiracy theory is dead. He said the Russians are added again right now. Would you agree that. It was not a hoax that the Russians were engaged in trying to impact our election. Absolutely it's not a hoax and after six hours one last question I gather that you believe that knowingly accepting foreign assistance during the presidential campaign is an unethical thing to I do and a crime and crime circumstances yes and to the crime given certain circumstances and to the degree that undermines democracy and our institutions we can agree that it's also unpatriotic crew and wrong true. Mary Bruce A._B._C. News Capitol Hill. So what does Robert Muller's testimony mean for the White House. What does it mean when it came to substance? What does it mean when it comes to politics and what does it mean for the impeachment impeachment? Possibly of president trump at some Democrats have been talking about. Let's break it all down. Here's A._B._C.'s political director recline rig. It seems to me that there were two parts of the Muller report that we're looking to analyze now substantively and politically so let's start aren't substantively. I what do we know now that we didn't know before we had director Mollard directly contradict the President United States on a number of fronts. He did not find that there was no collusion. He did not find that there was no obstruction he did not as the president has often said come back and beg for his old job back as F._B._i.. Director and this was not a witch-hunt this was him in the starks terms possible repudiating the president's word on the highest profile investigation that is surrounded his presidency so to see that play out loud from <hes> from Muller himself was very startling. If you were to swoop in and look at the story from the outside and if you were looking at it from the outside what so many people said is it so few Americans have actually read this report all the way through everything he said was in there but but there's a lot more in there too yeah there is and I think it's still going to take some time to digest including the overall point that the Russians are as we sit here right now trying again to influence our democracy. I don't know that those points have been fully digested and I think this is a reminder of how vulnerable vulnerable we are in how the partisanship can overtake all of it and I think whatever else you say about Muller and his work. I think that should be a wakeup. Call Americans okay so now. Let's talk about not politically. Where do we stand at the end of the day because it seemed like the Republicans were sort of doing victory? Dance and Democrats were sort of throwing their hands up in the air. You think that's true well. I think Democrats probably got a little ahead of themselves in terms of expectations that weren't many people though realistically okay who thought this would be a game changer and follow himself told us he was going to be pretty boring. He was going to stick to the four corners of his report. He didn't want to be there at all so I think there's that piece of perspective that's important and I think from the Republicans. This was defense and we're no closer to impeachment and if that's the game then that's fine in but I'm not sure that the politics of this start to break well for Republicans either again the conduct that was described by Muller whatever else you say about his his motivations in his report man has impeccable credentials and he came and he said the president was doing a lot of bad things and we still don't know how close he really came to facing criminal charges as a sitting President Muller says he wasn't able to even get to that because of the policy so. I don't know how that's a clear win truly for anyone but yet you had president trump. I'm coming afterwards saying it's a great day for me. You know he called the whole thing unpatriotic and wrong as he has done time and time again and how much is this really matter to people who have just already made up their minds. Well people seem to have accepted Muller's reports and findings a a lot more than they accept the consequence potentially of impeachment so I don't know how this truly plays I do. The president is going to say what he says about it. Regardless of what the reality was. I don't really think his response should be much of a surprise to anyone who's washed his his conduct walked in his descriptions of this overall but it's going to be up to people to decide. I think a larger number of people this week we're exposed to the findings of the mall report whether that's just public opinion in a way that matters ultimately and matters for impeachment. I don't think we're there yet so when it comes to impeachment where do you see that fight going not very far. I think this is a critical period over the the Aug break for members of Congress what they hear from their constituents but as of now Sherry less than half of House Democrats support impeachment to say nothing of the two thirds vote you need in the Senate not even you can't even get the Democrats onboard in the House of Representatives so my mind Nancy Pelosi knows that and her go slow approach in a way has been been vindicated by the fact that we're not we're we're. We need to be as a country bring impeachment. I don't think Democrats want to get that far or they're gonNA continue their investigations. They're going to do a lot of work behind the scenes but the I word I think is off the table. You think this means finally we will start talking about things other than investigating president trump because that's the one thing both sides of sort of become frustrated with I mean at what point we actually take cut bills when it comes to Healthcare Immigration Democrats in Congress and say they are taking up those bills of they're just getting installed in the Senate and guess what the right about that by and large look you hear the phrase that members of Congress love to say we can walk and Chew Gum the fact is there really the isn't really isn't a room in the public consciousness to focus on that many things at the same time. Unfortunately I in this case. A lot of the legislative work is getting kind of shifted to the side. I don't know the answer to that. Though Sherry I think the breakthrough of bipartisanship partisanship that it would take there's no signs of that anytime soon and every day week before the election makes it less likely that you're able to see real bipartisan progress on anything. I'd like to talk to you. Karen travers all of our other friends in D._C.. About what it's like in Washington on a daily basis. Racist because this is wearing a lot of people out all of this and for you guys it's just relentless. It's a fire hose of craziness and if it's not one thing that's always going to be something else. The election almost seems like a respite from some of the Washington Zany that we deal with on a regular racist but keep in mind president trump likes this pace. He is dominating the news cycle and that's exactly what he wants to be doing. Okay recline and your fire hose of craziness. We're GonNa let you go. Thanks as always the questioning of Robert Mueller on Capitol Hill you can make up your own mind and who you think won or lost the day out Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler Today the American people heard directly about what the special counsel investigation uncovered as to Russia's interference in the two two thousand sixteen election and the president's cooperation with it and obstruction of justice the ranking member of the Committee Republican Congressman Doug Collins Georgia those are the facts of the Molar Rochelle Mandolin the twenty six election the president did knock aspire with Russian and nothing we here today change those fans everything we've come up with is show hearings dog and pony shows running out old people from Watergate era and what have we found that the American people are footing the bill for a continuation of twenty sixteen election that they don't lie. I challenge the democratic colleagues get over the election of two thousand sixteen run in two thousand twenty if he wants and others weighing in as well as the attorney general supposed to be the attorney general of the United States of America Erica worth it can Sigli Ari for the president. What he's doing is not obstructing justice? He is pursuing justice. Hopefully this'll be the end of these hearings because the House Intelligence Committee has important work to do if you you look at the national security for this country. There's nothing more important right now. Chances are pretty good. If there are veep winners and losers your mind was probably already made up for you even started listening coming up Britain's new prime minister and for her Rico's governor resigns uproar and protests on perspective after this these days news comes out of Washington so fast it can be hard to keep up. I just don't think this is gonNA play out the way everybody thinks it's going to play out. We're getting a giancarl prediction look. We need special music for this. I'm A._B._C. News. Political Director recline join me along with A._B._C.'s chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl every week as we break down the facts and turned to Washington insiders with tough questions on the powerhouse politics podcasts or you're gonNA talk to more. I'm looking Audrey listened for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP back to perspective. I'm Sherry Preston. Poorest Johnson took over from Theresa May as Britain's prime minister this past week after he was elected leader of the Conservative Party a what flag from now on with my team that I will build the next few days to repaint your competence but in the meantime time campaign he's now he is tasked with trying to put together a brexit deal before Britain departs the E._U.. Later this year let's get the latest on Johnson's election and what's ahead for the U._K.. Here's A._B._C.'s he's Tom Rivers at the foreign desk out with the old and in with a new this week goodbye to beleaguered British Prime Minister Theresa May hello to Boris Johnson the two could not be more different may didn't leave much of a legacy Johnson's instance mission to succeed where she didn't in solving the brexit puzzle his course came under scrutiny in his first address in parliament since becoming prime minister where he urged the European Union to rethink its refusal to renegotiate the Brexit deal in a rowdy session in the comments Johnson pledged we will throw into these negotiations with the greatest energy and determination added a spirit of friendship and I hate that the E._U.. You will be equally ready and the they will rethink that current refusal to make any changes to the withdrawal but if the E._U. refuses to play ball if they do not we of course half to leave the U._K.. Without an agreement under article fifty the U._K. is better prepared for that situation than many believe but we are not as ready yet as we should be. In the ninety eight days that remained to us must turbocharger preparations to make sure that there is little disruption as possible to our national light. Andy threatened if the E._U. does not reopen withdrawal discussions. He says they won't be getting a divorce deal. Check from the U._K.. A some forty eight billion dollars he's general tone optimistic. We are once again going to believe in ourselves and what we could achieve like some slumbering giant. We are going to rise in Ping off the guy ropes of self doubt a negative but where's the detail. That's what a lot of people here asking right now. Including the leader of the opposition Labor Party Jeremy Corbyn he says he has pluck nerve and ambition our country does not need arm-waving being bluster but competence seriousness and after and after a decade of divisive policies for the few to focus for once on on the interest of the many many we'll be watching closely over the next three months as the brexit deadline fast approaches deliver bricks unite the country and defeat Jeremy Corbyn GonNa do Boris Johnson and says he can get the E._U.. To renegotiate an exit deal something the block insists it won't do automous warned that are no deal brexit would disrupt trade and plunged into recession the stakes over the the next few months couldn't be higher if Johnson can manage a deal he'll go down in history as a hero if he fails his time at ten Downing Street could be very short indeed with the snap general election likely outcome if the ordeal exit option is taken deliver unite and defeat was not the perfect acronym for an election campaign since unfortunately it spills done but they've got the final e my friends e for energize and and I say I say to all the doctors dude. We are going to energize the country. We're GONNA get brexit done on okay. We're GONNA take advantage of opportunities that it will bring in a new spirit of Candu. Tom Rivers A._B._C. News London London. Order Rico's governor Ricardo will CEO announcing his resignation this week following protests and multiple declarations he would remain in office through January twenty twenty one Roselle faced intense pressure after the League of offensive text messages between him and his top aides A._B._C.'s Victor Oquendo reports on the story from Corporate Vico strengths of old sent one knowledge after governor were ordered Rosillo Announces Resignation Shen celebration underway way to hear those early. What is this like right now but I'm not just minus in Manafort as the embattled governors message started the crowds silenced huddled together holding their phones to their ears as the highly anticipated address stream life that rental John Wetteland go in our doc effective will be there autoland Amelia's every single confirming his resignation will go in effect August second and Ricky Martin boosting this video and instagram saying we did in order Rico and we did it Luego in Orlando Moham- bus seeing Anima? These boats are looking forward to a new era. There's hope for that kind of future. Who've last night maybe I didn't know about freedom we wanted now? Wait a party my but now the focus is on smooth transition of power. The Secretary of Justice will be taking over as governor. Her name is wonder Vasquez in a statement. She says that her Andro CEO are working to make sure it happens in a transparent and responsible manner also this week A._B._C.. News learn millionaire and convicted sex offender. Jeffrey Epstein was placed on Suicide Watch after he was found unresponsive on the floor of New York City Prison F C is is currently facing charges of federal sex trafficking. A._B._C.'s went Johnson Scott. The latest on the story sources still A._B._C. News Jeffrey Epstein is on Suicide Watch in New York City jail after the disgrace financier was found unresponsive in his cell with marks on on his neck. When Epstein came to he told authorities he couldn't remember what had happened? Investigators initially thought he tried to take his own life or make it seem that way now they're looking into whether he was assaulted by another inmate or whether he even paid someone into beat him up. They've interviewed another inmate Nick Tar Tag Leone a former COP accused of murder. I spoke with his lawyer. Nick knows what happened. We're not going to talk about my purpose is to say definitively. Nick had nothing to do with hurting anybody in the facility and in particular Mr Obscene Epstein is accused of exploiting and abusing dozens of minor girls some as young as fourteen just last week a judge rejecting his request for bail the mega millionaire had offered. To put his mansion and private jet as collateral for bond but prosecutors argued he shouldn't be allowed to live inside a gilded cage the Metropolitan Correctional Center as a far cry from that eight by eight cells lockdown virtually twenty four hours. There's a day sometimes there's two people sell food is difficult to consume to say the least have scenes attorneys are still moving forward with that appeal to get him out of jail on bond. They insist he has no danger. He has not a flight risk but but it could be months before Epstein. Get an answer coming up and Ole Miss Student murder the arrest of her former classmate on perspective after this technology is supposed to make your life easier you're right. 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I'm Cheri Preston coming up a conversation with pediatrician and Philanthropist Priscilla Chan but first a twenty two year old Texas man is in custody in connection with the killing of a classmate at the University of Mississippi. Her body was discovered last weekend. Brandon failed was arrested for the murder of Alexandria Alley coastal who was just twenty-one. A._B._C.'s Marcus more has the latest on the story alley. Costal was the girl with the bright smile and even brighter future. She went missing newly released surveillance video taken outside of a local bar may have captured the last images of her alive. A college student from Saint Louis has been found dead in Mississippi. The Twenty One euro college student was found in the remote Mississippi Woods her autopsy report out revealing she died of multiple gunshot wounds foul play is involved but how she ended up in those woods thirty miles away remained a mystery until police. He's arrested twenty two year old brandon the. SPELLED IT turns out these field was alleys classmate at Ole miss male white and black the armed police in Tennessee track him down in Memphis ovary. No one will be over the mystery surrounding one woman horrific murder and why her classmate is behind bars charged with her down it. Is these summer before her senior year and Alexandria Costal Marketing Major and Sorority sister for Alpha Phi is taking courses. This is at the University of Mississippi known around the country warmly as Ole miss in the sleepy college town of Oxford. It's an arts town. It's known for its just color flavors and just kind of local melting pot. This is the land of football and of tailgates and Friday nightline's last seen side of local bar in the town square walking down the street and looking at her phone police say eventually getting into a rideshare. She did not go into the bar that she left. I'll have to win home and then that's worth of the puzzle is still waiting to be piece together. Police say after alley returned home at around midnight. She left again a short time later. The next morning costumes body was found near a popular lake in Harmon town Mississippi about about thirty miles away from the old Miss Campus by deputy on routine patrol and this is the spot the very remote spot where that sheriff's deputies found alleys body right off of this Kirby dirt road that goes towards a fishing post there and the crime tape here. We're near the scene thick woods and gives you a sense of the area that investigators have been working in as they try to piece together. How allie was killed alleys father Keith Costal confirmed the news of his daughter's death on facebook posting Saturday the afternoon we were visited by police who communicated to us that are beautiful dear Alexandria Alley Costal was the victim of a homicide authorities launched a multi agency manhunt for the suspect station Lafayette County Murder Investigation hanging this phone brandon the field Milwida they fought lack the arm via mobile gas station? No one goes on Monday. They get their suspect. Brandon spill new images ages obtained by a local Fox affiliate captured the dramatic take down across state lines at a Tennessee gas station Memphis police with their guns drawn spotting the suspect in an Ole Miss Baseball team Monday morning and taking them into custody is murder and when he is being held in our jail without bond still authorities are being tight lipped on the details of the crime. Is there anything else that all you want to say that they are important. The university has confirmed that these failed and costal were classmates in the business school. These field has been suspended by Ole miss the suspect making a court appearance Tuesday in an orange jumpsuit and shackles his father Dr Daniel. Theis felt a Texas physician leaving the Lafayette Mississippi jail after visiting his son in a statement A._B._C. affiliate W. F._A._A.. Dr th-this Spill saying I've spoken to Brandon. I asked that everyone give him the benefit of the down that he is innocent alleys friends meanwhile are remembering her for her warm. Personality tune is probably one of the those positive radiant people I've ever met. I'm just GonNa miss how the fact that she was always there for me if I needed to talk to her those closest to her still stunned. They won't be seeing their friend again. Everyone misses her like you wouldn't believe tonight is what she was back. In a statement the University of Mississippi offering its condolences we extend our deepest sympathy to her family friends and classmates and stand ready to support them during this time. Jake Thompson is a reporter for the Oxford Eagle newspaper here in town so let's go is covering high school sports now trying to run around and cover of high profile murder investigation and so it's for me it's jarring as well personally professionally on campus showing us the impact of a life lost. This is a sorority row yeah this is this is her sorority. One of them has the black ribbons and in remembrance now of valley their fallen sister shorty sister and that's that's what's going to be the hardest part for them. This you know fraternity house a Sorority House. You spent your non class hours in there with each other sharing your lies stories and Best Friends Gossiping. You know you know just all sorts of that you would do with your friends and when they come back that's going to be a a tough day for the alpha. Phi think you know alley spent four years of the school. She said she was a senior cashiers. Heading this was going to be a starter for senior semester next month and was set to wrap up and spring may walk graduate and and and move on with the restaurant life unfortunately now that doesn't get to happen. I'M MARKUS MORE IN OXFORD MISSISSIPPI coming up the Soho scammer former friend details details goals and skiing's on perspective after this. Hey I'm Dan Harris from A._B._C.. News and I have a podcast and you've listened to it. It's called ten percent happier. It's all about how to stay sane in are increasingly absolutely insane world. We'll talk everybody from the Dalai Lama signs vide- Borton for human gene to Rupaul. You have to explore this life. It's fun that interesting may even change your life. You can listen to it for free on apple podcasts or on your favorite podcasts back to perspective and Sherry Preston. Anna Sorkin is a convicted fraudster her former friend Rachel Williams's speaking out saying she wondered how she missed all the red flags from the convicted con woman she discussed her relationship with Sorkin and her schemes A._B._C.'s Deborah Roberts she just wise very impulsive and free spirited and charming. I really liked her and adobe. We made an impression on everyone she met. Were you sort of seduced by her in her behavior in some ways I'd say yes I was captivated by I was sort of fascinated by her. Willingness to just challenge boundaries claiming claiming to be a German heiress with sixty seven million dollar trust fund. She talked her way into exclusive New York parties and nightclubs which is how she met Rachel Williams in two thousand sixteen then a twenty eight year old photo editor at Vanity Fair Magazine Z. and my late Twenties I was a period of major transition for me and my friends a lot of them were getting married or having babies are leaving the city and I was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend. The the pair soon became inseparable living glamorous life of two young women in Manhattan. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms and sort of do what she wanted to? Some degree probably because he's a young white female also a lot of had to do with her specific charm. She seemed good-willed twenty five year old. Anna treated Rachel two drinks and dinners at exclusive restaurants and even three hundred dollar pop private fitness sessions. Nations alike terror and so we have a lot of fun together but would Rachel didn't know is that her friend was living ally and Adele was actually Anna Sorkin the russian-born daughter of middleclass parents a hotel hopping social drifter now behind bars for a series of wide ranging scams. She wont across New York City. How do you feel about Anna Zorkin? Today I will sociopath Rachel's now speaking on camera for the first time about how she says her former friend betrayed her tail. She recounted her new book. My friend Anna the true story of a fake eras. I don't actually feel a lot of anger mostly. I just feel like I would like to never cross castleberry again. In the beginning Rachel had no reason to down her big-spending new friend came from wealth given her jet-setting lifestyle and big ambitions she went into least this giant building a house <hes> an art collection a gallery space members only lounge shave referred to this family trust she had which I didn't pry about but sort of informed my understanding of her figured she had money yes she came from money and that came out over time in the spring of two thousand Seventeen Rachel tells us Anna offered an all expenses expenses paid trip to Marakesh in a lavish seventy five hundred dollar a night villa shockingly opulent. Your eyes must have been popping out of New York. We didn't these things that Rocco. That's when it was kind of like oh waitress says suddenly Anna's credit cards mysteriously weren't working when it was time to settle up with the hotel the managers began to pull an aside and sort of slowly escalating that there's some tension between Anna and the hotel well after a few days of Hounding Anna the hotel had had enough then just didn't I villa and they're waiting for her to fix it and they want payment. Yes they want credit card that works right there right now like they're done waiting. Rachel tells us she's was fearful of being stranded in a foreign country so she offers her credit cards as a temporary backup even though she can't afford it I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parents how much sixty thousand dollars back in New York Anna Anna doesn't send Rachel the money instead making excuse after excuse texting I will get it sorted so you have this week. What is going on for you internally? I am laid with my rent and late with my credit card payments. I'm like in a lot of trouble aw convinced that she's been duped and goes to authorities in the summer of twenty seventeen police arrest Anna Sorkin in Malibu California if she did this to me and I was her friend she would do. It's anybody and I just wanting to protect other people in is charged with Grand Larceny attempted Grand Larceny and theft of services during the trial prosecutors arguing she stole more than a quarter of a million dollars from banks who tells house and a private jet operator to fund lavish lifestyle and was attorney. Insisting Rachel is not a victim. Rachel testified facing her former friend in court. I wasn't sure what to expect deadly at her. She was smirking at me. Did it unnerves you know shockingly thought it would but I think understanding her for who she was. It caused her to lose her power. In May Twenty eight year old Anna Sorkin was was convicted of eight charges against her including grant larceny but found not guilty of defrauding Rachel. Some of the jurors didn't feel sympathetic for your situation with Anna. How did that feel for you? That was that was devastating. Anna was sentenced to four to twelve years in prison and ordered to pay nearly two hundred thousand dollars in restitution as for that huge credit card bill that you have to pay that money ultimately think thank goodness <hes> American Express did protect me from the hotel charge <hes> which was the bulk of the expenses when you look back on it. Should you've known better I think I I wanted to see the good inherit anything. It's important to see reality into understand. What's your Serbian trust you that again? I'm Deborah Roberts in New York coming up a conversation with Mrs Mark Zuckerberg Priscilla Chan on perspective after this have a dream but don't know where to begin I didn't I didn't want to be limited looking for wisdom for women who've already been there you will constantly be given the opportunity to lose yourself. Welcome to A._B._C.'s no limits. I'm your host Rebecca Jarvis in each week. We're talking to the game. Changing women about success lessons is learned along the way and of course the worst advice and really thought about this worst advice ever you can hear new episodes of no limits every week on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. This is perspective from A._B._C. News. I'm Sherry Preston. Dr Priscilla Chan is one of the world's most prominent philanthropic leaders she striving to make her mark in the field of medicine science and she talked about some of those initiatives this week on Good Morning America with A._B._C.'s A._B._C.'s Robin Roberts she is fast becoming one of the most prominent philanthropic leaders of her generation Dr Priscilla Chan up and coming game changer in the fields of medicine and Science Science Technology Engineering the Harvard Educated U._C._S._f.. School of Medicine Grad is a pediatrician who also runs the Chan Zuckerberg initiative but she and her husband Facebook C._e._o.. Mark Zuckerberg launched in two thousand fifteen following the birth of the first daughter Max. We're going to have a front row seat to the biggest medical breakthrough and generation the initiatives most recent program called rare as one focuses on driving progress in the fight against rare diseases grants will be awarded to ten organizations with four and a half million dollars in initial funding people ask us. Are you going after one disease at a time. No it's really about making every scientist everyone who participates in the scientific process better. We're their experiences that you had that lead you to do the work that you're doing right now. When I was a young physician I would open up a patient's chart and like read something about it and I i? I was embarrassed. I would walk into a room and say I don't know anything about your disease. Can you tell me how do you take care of yourself in these patients and families would teach me train me on what it was like what the disease was in how to best take care of themselves on what worked for them and rare is one is about bringing in that patient voice because they have the insights. I can still remember exact patient rooms where the research didn't materialize in time or we didn't find the right treatment and <hes> exact families and <hes> I think those experiences what makes me realize that we have to do more. The daughter Chinese Vietnamese Refugees Chan who was the first Inter family to go to college says she always knew her life would involve service to others a lot of people open doors for me and if I didn't work hard and try to continue getting trained into actually open doors for others that I wasn't doing my part she and Zuckerberg who married in two thousand twelve are passing on those same lessons two daughters Max and August Audi when still in your children who are growing up in an environment that was that was different. We talk about it. Do you yeah there's three and two and we talk about how lucky we are. How what can we have each other to be happy and healthy in there also kids they? Don't you know my three year Gerald one day. She tells me mom I know about honey. Nut cheerios like what do you know what honey nut cheerios and she's like. I've heard about them and I WANNA box for my birthday. You can't Dan give them on. 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 Anna Sorokin: the fake heiress who fooled everyone | podcast

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"Today the fake eras who food New York and a close look at the inequality between London and the rest of England. Hi, my name is Anna Dalby Estee. We guys until last weekend. I have a question given a helicopter from the Marrakesh airport to go together Blanca airport tomorrow night. This is the voice of on a Dovy. Yep. In this video she's lying in bed in addressing out in one of the most luxurious hotels Marocco. Helen open have is it's usual. Tussled? Messed the young German heiress is trying to order a helicopter to take it to Casablanca. Let me ask you this. How how many people have you ever known who were millionaires who walked around handing out one hundred dollar bills to the front desk? Single molina. I can't actually answer that like that does not happen. No people who have a lot of money. Don't go spending all their money all the time. That is not the habit of somebody who is very wealthy. It just does not how they operate. The anime is no normal millionaire. In fact, she's not a millionaire toll. She's a con artist. But a contest he was taking on with great success. The New York art scene. It's such a story of our times. You know, she was trying to plug into a scene that is very oh currency at this point. You know, it is one based on money, socialites art, contacts fashion. Parties on a dove eight or an Oregon, which is real name has been found guilty of theft. And last night. I will be sentenced today. From the guardian. I'm Indian accent today in focus inside the answer can scam. On adobe had been a figure on the New York social scene for a few years, but we're gonna start historian twenty seventeen when she checks into eleven Howard five-star hotel inside. It's a very cool scene. It's very cool restaurant attached to it is become a hang out, come socialites fashion magazine. People Howley Freeman is a writer and columnist for the guardian. She used to live in New York and has previously covered fashion. She knew where to go. She knew where the scene she wanted to be in was and she checked right in and what she doing in New York at this point. Well, she claimed that she was setting up our Anna delve foundation, which was something like a fifty thousand square foot building that he wanted to lease that would essentially be an extremely pretentious private members club. I think she called it something like a revolving arts visual dynamic space or something which is basically word salad, but very credible sounding I lived in New York for a long time. And that is the kind of to be honest to be put bluntly that kind of bullshit that you hear from people like that in that area, and you get here too in London, of course, with people sitting up arts places where very rich people can come and feel like they have a proximity to artists. She's so she's trying to set up this off foundation and cheese, basically, moving money using bad checks. Forge. Statements between banks in a kind of quest to get to. I think she was trying to raise sixty six million dollars. She wanted to be member of the party scene, and what she did very cleverly is she got into the art world. The art world right now is a very much kind of celebrity based glamorous proximity to fashion type world so art festivals. Things like freeze or the Biennale lay the Miami art fair, they are as much a part of the social scene as fashion weeks, and maybe even more so and she knew that and she clogged right into it. And how she presenting has helped who she saying that she is. She was known as in New York. But it has since come out, of course, that her real name was Anna Sorkin, and she gave the impression I don't even know if she ever actually said it, but that that she's a German ARIS, and she was spending her time going to the right downtown restaurants the right downtown clubs Instagram herself at all the right openings at New York fashion week. So that her public image was very much one of European heiress? And so. Alight around town. She's one of those people that everyone knew that everyone was used to seeing in places, but she wasn't actually intimate with people. The people that she's she didn't have many friends to hang out with Neff Davis who works in the reception downstairs and Levin Howard, hang out with some Rachel Williams. Who's a photo editor Vanity Fair and Casey Duke who is a personal trainer. And these are all people who will have connections to the kind of world that she wanted to be into so either from working for them or else documenting them in the way in the case of Rachel, and she would just take them out for dinner pay for dinners pay for clothes. You mentioned Neff was the conceived the hotel she really get through swept up in on as world. When does she natives that things on quite right? So she notices weren't quite right. When her boss said, we don't have a working credit card file for this woman. This was one of the first signs that Anna's finances weren't what they seemed to be she owed the hotel around thirty thousand dollars through its series of fraudulent loans and Bank transfers, she manages to do a wire transfer to cover the first part of stay at eleven hours. Weeks. Go by on the hotel are still chasing her because there's still no credit card on file eventually the hotel changes the coat on haram can keeps hold of stuff. And this is when photographer Jesse hawk first meets her. She showed up wearing a black hoodie and very dis-. Shoveled in pissed off. She was unhappy with whatever was happening back at eleven Howard. This kind of my introduction to Anna jesse's introduced to identify his friend, Rachel Williams. Rachel is the fighter editor vanity fat. She and on a this point with very close as the night went on the started talking about they're going to Morocco on Friday. So when did you get invited on this trip and asked me, if I do any video on said, not really she said she wanted to know if I'd be interested in traveling with them and following her with a camera and a dinner. They did tell me this. We're going to Morocco going to stay the nicest hotel in the world. And they were like trying to downplay it the same time. They were so giddy about it that couldn't contain themselves. Oh my God. She must be loaded. I thought well, yeah. When Rachel said, well, the were staying in a private villa in. It's seven thousand dollars a night after dinner that night, I was walking Rachel home. And she was telling me about Anna and about the place they're staying and she showed me photos, and it's really the moon is a pretty extravagant hotel. I mean, it was pretty nice. And so if I can if she can pay for me to go with you on this trip. I'd be happy to go today may twenty seventeen Jesse Rachel on Casey set off from Neil. Anna is the only person I've ever known to board a flight and not bring any of her money with her. She didn't bring credit cards. She didn't bring bankcards nothing. She put it all in her checked baggage. And that was the most bizarre thing of the trip. And so I remember Rachel was already then buying whatever Anna wanted she was already spending money. What was it like? Everything is there. There's a spread waiting for you bottles of champagne were being popped. We were celebrating being in Morocco. And you know, it's like any other girl in her mid twenties. Who's on social media everyone walking around on their phone taking pictures videos of the house? We're about to stay in for the next week. Because it's it's a really nice. What did you do how you kind of spending days, then tell us what happened in the holiday? Okay. They would arrange some sort of private shopper. This and this right now in this. And then those not the big one. And the private shopper companies you throughout your day to escort them through the markets of Marrakesh take us to somewhere to eat lunch places to shop for rugs. The issues with Anna's card from the very beginning. She never I remember anytime we went somewhere Anna tried to buy something her card never worked. But nothing was normal about Anna when it came to finances. She night with you on holiday did you enjoy spending time with her. Evans, the most boring person I've ever travelled with ever. Okay. She lives a social media. She looks at trends to raise MAG, fashion magazines. She's speaks to whoever is that whatever hip party or event end. She learned from these people. She's just a chameleon in there definitely moments where you catch an-and. She has to two iphones and she's on both of them. And she's writing nonstop. I was wondered who she's talking to. She was either asleep on her phone or aiding drinking. Skinless very good too. My skinless gonna everyday. Those are the only four things I ever saw Anna doing well. If you don't wanna look vain, you probably shouldn't continue taking Celtics. I'm just saying. This holiday has become pretty famous now point did it really come crushing down things progressively over the next two days think Wednesday and Thursday things got a little aggressive coming from the hotel. This sorted asking, you know, whereas miss Delhvi stop being friendly, you go from staying at the one of the friendliest hotels in the world to suddenly everybody in at the front desk is not being friendly giving. She was just very persuasive. Charismatic. Why do you think they would have let her stay without that charge? If you worked at the front desk of a hotel in your client was spending seven grand night. That's not the kind of person that you are going to confront or even want to disrupt their stay. So she knew that. And she took that to her advantage anytime somebody would question her or talk to her. She would come back to. Them with an attitude suggests I can't believe you're even speaking to me, when did you all have to leave a climax for me was trying to get a ticket out of the country and trying to leave Morocco because I was told there was a ticket waiting for me at the airport in after spending four and a half hours in a car to get the CASA Blanca, I arrived at a desk with no ticket. You know, I had to buy a last minute. One way ticket out of Morocco. Those aren't cheap. The end of the trip. I'm kind of pay the bills and Rachel ends up footing. The charges for everything a total of sixty two thousand dollars with the holiday on a keeps reassuring Rachel he's getting pretty anxious about the money that she will pay back. The Rachel isn't the only one. She owes. So she makes it back to New York, and she checks into two different other downtown hotels in New York and skips out on both without paying the Bill. I one after the other exactly but these hotels they are cutting on her tricks quicker. So what are these tricks? How do you just walk into a hotel and never have to pay anything? Well in the case of eleven Howard. It was a new hotel. And so I'm sure there was still some teething problems. The they said there wasn't oversight that they didn't get a credit card from her when she checked in and she's acting apart. You know, she was over tipping everybody. She was just wondering in and out carrying designer bags. There is no reason why anyone would think that she wouldn't be good for the Bill at the end. Whereas if it had been any average person, if it had been me, you know, looking kind of crappy in, you know, my jeans and my sweatshirt, you know, they probably would've said after a few days. Madam are you able to pay for this where she was just acting this part which everybody fell for and of course, this time as well. Rachel is starting to chase her for money. We aware of all of that going on. Yeah. Rachel is concerned about getting her money. I remember Rachel was owed. What she thought? She was you know, sixty some thousand dollars. It was a big deal for Rachel. It was creating a major problem in her personal life and professional and this went on for weeks and weeks eventually yes somewhere in a line of the somewhere in the middle of those weeks. I remember asking Rachel she had to con artist. Rachel assured me she's not a con artist. Did you see Anatole in his period? I did not see ano- when she came back to New York. And I remember racial calling me and telling me Anna's showed up outside my apartment, or we're going to have Anna come over to Casey's house, and we're going to have an intervention because she owes everybody money. There are numerous attempts by Rachel to get the money and eventually in August, she goes to the police. In the meantime on has been charged with several misdemeanors for running out on the two hotel bills. Plus a lunch Lepoqo Meridian restaurant with charges pending. She cashes more checks and gets a flight California where she is a Fench -ly arrested. What do we know about the alleged scammer and Sorkin true identity? Wait, just the Anna who I mean, there is no Anna Delhvi there is no German eras. There is no foundation and a source who is the real on adobe on historical. So Anna Sorkin was actually born in Russia. Her father was a former truck driver, and when she was a teenager. She moved to Germany with her parents, and her younger brother, she was in a small town. She went to normal schools, quite working class. She wasn't born into money as she was pretending and she eventually made her way through Europe through the kind of European fashion magazine to New York and the truth is kind of sad about this is people are laughing at her as though she's kind of Gatsby figure that she had this fake background. But the truth is a lot of people who end up in the celebrity world, or in this kind of art world bogus fashion world type thing. Also, come from humble background. Not everyone's going to be an era in this world. Everybody's puppy Delvina. Whoever a lot of people have worked their way up, you know. And there is no reason why she wouldn't have fit in. If she just been honest about herself, and she didn't need to steal to pretend to be in that world, if she had just actually gotten a damn job and worked as fashion assistant net vogue, or wherever she could have been part of this scene and charmed people her family said about decisions, they're baffled by it. And they say they always supported her when she went to college and everything and mystify presenting yourself as this multi multimillionaire eras. And now that she's in cool. She seems to be keeping up all of these appearances in a way, you know, she's twenty eight year old young woman who is facing fifteen years in prison. That's pretty terrifying. That's you know, could talk your life gone. And yet, she's still maintaining the pose even though everyone knows the truth. How is she behaved in court? She's behaved exactly like Anna delving, she's sort of dismissive board unrepentant. She didn't give a statement. And she still insists she was going to pay everyone back, but at no point is ever explained. How she thought she would ever do that is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet events and people are completely fascinated with her outfits though, headlines, the Twenty-seven-year-old defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace. Yes, she's still turning up looking like a socialite on trial of because of course, she has these clothes. She did get them interesting that Loya. Hotspot kind of arranged a stylist for her for the trial. I mean, some normal. Well, it is in some cases, I think I would know rider was styled for her court appearances by Marc Jacobs twenty years ago when she was time for shoplifting. And obviously Anna is still trying to present an image is became a lawyer Spivak when he took to the stunned a made his opening statement, what happened defense attorney says theft wasn't her intention. So he said, she, you know, she's a world where you. Anna had to live by this which is absolutely true. And that's not just about, you know, the glamorous art celebrity fashion world that she's part of the the thing is that he's gonna go over. She wasn't just faking it. She was stealing it until you make it which is a different problem. He said that you know, it was an unethical. Yeah. Unorthodox shore. But criminal what's always criminal. She was skipping out on hotel bills. I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about that. But yes, it's also true that what she's doing on her social media is exactly the same as what most assistant fashion editors or any of us to be fair do on Instagram, which is presenting an idealized image of yourself. Overnight a New York City jury finding socialite Anna Sorkin the so called SoHo Griffin guilty on eight counts. NATO Joey found Anna Saric, guilty on most of the charges against her including second degree, grandma's knee and theft of services, but she was not found guilty for the money. Rachel Williams lost today, and it will be sentenced. What people saw an Anna is that if you've ever worked in the fashion world or a magazine publication tomorrow understanding in what I've experienced that. If you're a woman in that world, it's it's kinda difficult very catty environment to be in. And there's a hierarchy in the office. And so if you're an average girl when you're working at one of these publications, you know, you're always trying to fit in your always trying to be accepted, an Anna, she saw these girls, Anna think that's who she befriended think she found women who maybe we're looking for someone to be their comrade. So I can understand somebody being drawn to Anna. Everybody wants to be included. And that's definitely the drive behind people who became friends with Anna. They felt included in something. Hey, we. Mentioned how they kind of got pulled into on his circle. But I suppose she jeeps everybody didn't shave she lawyer sheets bankas GPS famous restaurant owners and hotel owners it wasn't. It wasn't just women who will worried about that image. She really did had wing pretty much everybody shrew. Yeah. Definitely. She. Yeah. She was able to convince people to believe whatever she wanted them to believe she had a confidence. In herself. And when she spoke that. People didn't question. I also do think this is should be a kind of a moment of reckoning for certain social circles in New York, London, Paris Milan. Or whatever about how they value people based on just their appearances people wanted her to be German arrests. Therefore, they believed it, and therefore they're willing to take them out to dinner and pay for their dinners and stuff. I mean, the whole thing is so nauseating and grows. And anyone who's been on the periphery of that circle? Is I was just by covering fashion for this paper and seeing these worlds, you know, this world, and you know, it is pretty gross, and she has shown kind of rotten core to it. There are two productions or the underway HBO on net flex on an adobe story people just through to gorge on this stuff. We're completely taken by it. Well, I think people I will they get a sense of allegation out of seeing these kind of scams getting their come up. We're so used to people getting away with things at this point, whether they're rich politicians, or you know, kind of dodgy philanthropists or whatever. And here we see people getting their come up. Also a way of kind of passing the buck of it because we all get fooled by social media. And here we can laugh at other people got full by social media. How do we thank you very much? Thank you. Tomorrow you can read heavily column on whether we are in the era of the scam at the guardian dot com. Many thanks to her and to Jesse hawk. And if you want even more on this story, you can meet Rachel Williams account for Vanity Fair, and Jessica presidents article for New York magazine, also our thanks to I Lincoln Sela from our net knees. And if you wanna watch the clips of Anna Sarkin featured in this episode head toward program pate, and while you're bad do click on the link for the listeners choice award, the British podcast woods. We'd love you. Or you can just go to British Perkasa was dot com for slash fate. Coming up. Why there's an ever-growing resentment tools London. Welcome back. Now. Guardians Hal impaired has been reporting on the huge differences between London and the rest of England for new series of reports cold London versus it looks at inequalities from health to the and from transport to addiction. I've been the guardians north of England editor for six years now. And I've noticed an increasing resentment creeping in conversations that I have across the region I used to live in London, and I'm still visit regulate and yet even I often feel that looked has become more of an arrogant city state than a capital city and increasingly distant from the rest of the country and playing his own rules and often it's just a little inequities that great I go down to help on a shiny new route have and I can go anywhere for one pound. Fifty. I want to do the same. So of journey and start Paul my nearest town. Three pound fifty that really greats. So you have to be a little bit careful when making generalizations about two city of ten million people, which is home to both. So the richest and also some of the most disadvantaged people in the country, but certain measures particularly transport investment and also in terms of health and life chances. Looms miss gets fob today. In Hartley pool in the northeast where unemployment last year was eight point three percents, which is higher than anywhere else. In England male life expectancy is now only seventy six point one years, and that's actually lower than it was by one year in two thousand ten compare that to limousine where life expectancy is going an up if you look at Kempton, a Lindberg has got some rich people living that but also this quite lots of social housing and men can expect to live and eighty two point three years. It's less more than six years longer than that counterparts in Hartlepool. And this links in SuAn northern rather worrying Paxton, we uncovered about depression rates. Now, we all know that. No one, however wealthy is somehow inoculated or immune from the black dock of depression, but statistics show that the neighborhoods with the highest prevalence of depression, all in the north of England all the Midland's and the places with the lowest the wealthiest bits of London and Kent as well as the isle of silly. The highest rates of depression is in Brinson, a so biff Stockport's ingrates among Chester, quite my house, actually, what twenty three point six percent of patients with depressed when I went there. I found out that the real right is actually likely to be far higher. One local GP told me that sixty one percent of the patients he'd seen in the previous six weeks depressed or previously suffered from the condition. So there are wide variety of reasons why there are these massive disparities between lens everywhere else. But ultimately, I would argue it comes down to decade after decade of London Centric decision making the fast majority of public servants civil servants who actually make decisions about people's lives and who have influence over government policy role based in London and then making decisions about people's lives. Living hundreds and hundreds of miles away. And that really affects how resources are divvied up. I think that having great devotion and more key decisions being decided to local level can only help close the divide between London and everywhere else. But it's got to be meaningful relation. There's no points. Appointing mas-, don't really have any power, and that the minute they actually need some real investment. Some big projects they have to go with begging bowl to the treasury. So I think if the current government wants to show it serious about developing power than it needs to be ready to let go of the reins and devolve power real power on Monday away from Whitehall. That's all for today. My thanks to Hadley Freeman Jesse hawk and Helen pet. Today's program was produced by Elizabeth Casson. Rachel Humphries, Josh Kelly, and Gary Maggio sound design is by axel Keke. And the executive producers on co Jackson and film. I not we'll be back tomorrow.

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Be Sosa Not Tony

The Ross Bolen Podcast

1:23:07 hr | 1 year ago

Be Sosa Not Tony

"Welcome to episode one hundred seventy six of the Ross Bohlin podcast, otherwise known as Rb P one seven six I'm your host Ross bowling here in Austin, Texas with internet. Jay, Jay, how you doing this morning. Here's something I've been thinking about tell tell me I haven't assumption. Okay. They say, let's. Assumptions make an ass out. A you and me if something close to that, maybe them may. Well, be true after I talk about this. We'll find out. So I haven't assumption right avenue assumption that if you are a hot girl. Okay. Not just a hot girl a very hot girl. Okay. And you're in college more more likely than not you have a premium Snapchat that you're using to sell intimate photographs to pay for your college education. Why do you think that's valid that most hot girls do? No, hell, no. Maybe like eight percent all of them. They probably don't all like advertise. They're like put it out there. Like that. Can we can we explain this concept to people for premium? So I know like we have a ton of our listeners in eighteen to twenty four demographic bring this the large large majority, and you'll know what we're talking about y'all know what a premium Snapchat is. Are you should for those of you don't you're about to find out? But for those of you who are in our slightly older demo perhaps you have no idea. I know most people don't even use nap chat anymore because Instagram pretty much made it defunct unless you're me trying to collect hundreds and thousands of photos and videos from your RVP gang every day and the clams well shots to the clam. This is when a female or male. I'm sure there's a male version of this. I don't I'm not familiar with it. But I'm sure there's a mayo version of this for people who are into males, and you sell access to your Snapchat. So it's private right? And you only give out the username to people who pay for the access and then on that Snapchat, you provide an intimate like almost a Cam girl type of sexual experience. Now, it doesn't always involve nudity in in most cases, it doesn't involve nudity. But it's a the idea is is almost similar to like it's like an ES Corte sorta deal, right? Yeah. And their varying degrees of it. And if you're wondering like well Ross sounds extremely educated on the world of premium Snapchat s- for the record. I've never purchased a premium Snapchat. I've worked in an industry that has made me incredibly aware of the fact that they exist in part because there was a point in time where I was running like, a I guess you could call it like a college coed girl type Instagram page during the course of my career back in the day. I won't say which one, but we won't bring up the name. But obviously, most of them had premium Snapchat, a lot of the chicks that we dealt with pointing case. Yes, exactly. So no. I mean, it's most certainly away. It's weird. It's like a it's somewhere between and again, this doesn't just apply to females it applies to males as well it somewhere between like becoming a full blown prostitute. And being an escort. And like some weird Cam girl version of it. All right. It's a technology thing. Like this didn't exist ten years ago. We let me be clear though. I'm not trying to knock it not get your money. Just rough. Student loans, the large pursue what seems to you to be a large amount of chicks that are doing a realization. Maybe an Piff Unie. Okay. Okay. No. It is it is kind of crazy, man. It's it definitely is like a little closeted underworld of of you know, economy that exists on the internet that I don't think most people realize it's it's strange the market for satisfying like the sexual needs of lonely. Dudes is just the beginning. The biggest thing in the world. I mean think about all the the amount of money that goes into like porn, and it goes into all these different lens, new sex toys. I mean. Yeah. In robots that can like do anything. Yeah. Anything for they have to. And that's when the revolution comes. And then they all it takes his one robot to decide, you know, mid old fashioned that he doesn't want to Jack you off anymore, and it's over for you. He's gonna take that penis and shove it right down your throat. So this is all the say that just that social media technology has really changed the game. The as far as like, I dunno relationships sexuality is all those things go, and it's just it's crazy, man. And there's a lot of middle ground now between like I mean, you know, when we were growing up it was like we've discussed it before on the show porn is super dangerous like watch out for porn. You're gonna get addicted to porn keep what you know, porn is bad for you porno, ruin your sex life, like porn is gonna mess you up. Yeah. That's true. It really can for sure. But then now there's lesser versions of it that I think people were like, oh, well, that's fine. It's not porn. You know, my teachers, and my mom and my dad, and my preacher and warned me about premium snack. Chats. They warned me about porn it. It's all the same in a way. Also, also, I want I'm gonna wanna make a point to we've become so desensitized to I guess to sexuality. Oh, gosh. Everything we're we're exposed to on social media on TV I've seen internet every piece of Emily radicek Caskey except for that allusive to whole. You're not searching for it it. It just finds you. It does not comment just fines, you it hasn't found me because this has found anybody. But you're exactly right. I mean, it's essentially their levels to it. And it's it is unavoidable. I've got dudes that I know that I'm close to. You know, friends of mine that have had to unfold so like all the Instagram models that they followed because it was causing problems like not just because their wife or girlfriend would be like what the hell why are you falling all these Instagram models because there's something about seeing Instagram models. Fill up your entire Instagram feed. It it's it's deluding your perception of reality. What women real women in the real world? Actually, look like, I mean, that's the biggest thing that we discussed with those magic our girls Mercedes and j I remember him on the show. It's like all that bullshit on social media. Did it's fucks both men and women up because for women it sets impossibly high standard in it's not realistic. It's all Photoshop and fake. Just like magazine covers us to that was the thing that we always bitched about in the nineties and early two thousands, all these magazine covers advertisements setting all these unrealistic standards for women what the hell. You think social media's doing it's the exact same ballgame. It's the exact same problem, and it puts people in a horrible position where they're judging themselves against. Something that doesn't even actually exist is crazy. And you're I mean, you're right AJ issues opened up a whole new door, Snapchat, premium Snapchat, thing is a great example. I have no idea. Why you brought it up? Frankly. I don't I don't know if we wanna know, but it's out there. And if you're not aware of it, you need to be and also I also don't know how it's regulated. I don't think it is. Which is crazy. 'cause it's like we have no idea what kind of nutty premium Snapchat, accounting, all I'm sure if you go into the wormhole, it's gotta be. It's gotta be oh, I've got. Account. Ours can twisted he's freeze ferries running around in their people dressed up as care bears humping each other. You don't even wanna know don't wanna go down that stay away from that stayaway weird opening opening topic? 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Lisa for supporting us and support yourself with a better night's sleep. If you're new to the Ross Bohlin podcast almost every single episode of our show is broken down into little segments, which you can find with time cues below in the description now, some episodes are gonna have special guests like Mia Khalifa or Bradley Jackson, producer of Showtime's action or Shawn pinton gas. I mean, we have all kinds of cool guests on here. We had area. Foster one point we we're gonna continue to lineup. Great guests for you in the future down the line. Of course, I've been incredibly busy with everything going on launching bowling media tomorrow game of thrones, always just clams and cockles. So I haven't had the opportunity to be booking as many guesses. I would like that's going to be coming down the line. So keep your eye out for more and more guests, but the point is those episodes with special guests are more likely to be free flowing conversation. Okay. They're not going to be broken down into segments is perhaps this episode with AJ, and I will be that's just the way it goes. And you'll kind of figure it out as you go and learn if you're a rookie here, you don't have to listen to any of the preceding one hundred seventy five episodes of this show in order to enjoy Rb P, one seventy six that being said, if you do like it I would encourage you to go back and listen to all the existing episodes is one hundred and seventy five backlogged episodes of the Ross bowl and podcast for you to enjoy when you got the times with your traveling, you're on your commute on a bus or an airplane or you're in class, and you don't feel like listening or whatever it may be at work in the office. Rb p is here for you. Tana backlogged episodes for you to enjoy here's a little personal anecdotes since I like to provide y'all with one up front to say, thank you to the non skipper specifically for not skipping through what I consider to be an incredibly important piece of this show. The opening intro the the announcements, and such this is a fishery my last day of employment. Period. Like my last day as an employee. I've been at the same company for eight years since like two weeks after I graduated from college in December of two thousand ten I started at grand X January third technically, I think they have my start date listed as the first. But it was the third. I remember. 'cause if I'd started on the first I would have been throwing up over myself of two thousand eleven that was my first day. Right. So I've been on this grind ever since since two thousand eleven all my life. I've been granted on my life sacrificed hustled paid the price. Like I've seen a lot of shit. The startup game is a brutal hill. Scape covered in landmines. Just waiting for you to make a mistake. And now I'm willingly walking out into it. Because you people have given me the confidence to do. So so I'm incredibly obviously, incredibly thankful for for my time at grand X. I don't think I could've started my career in a better place in terms of getting a little bit of experience and all in a lot of. In some cases. But in all the different areas on the with the exception of math, of course, because that's not something that I'm ever going to be able to do. Thank God for my wife Taylor. And then might have to begin some help from my dad there to longer term as that's his his he's a numbers guy. But. I've learned a ton about of things that all need to know to be able to run my own company, and it has been a long strange journey on incredibly excited to take the next step of my own will not on my own. I guess you're all you're all coming with me. Bowling media's rolling with starting off on fire with always juice cleanse and cockles. The timing. Couldn't have been more perfect. The whole thing is almost like serendipitous at this point how well things have unfolded over the course of the eight years like there's so many points that I can look back at where I'm like, I was so unhappy or pissed off about something or frustrated in all kind of worked to get me to where I am today in life is just funny. Like that. Right. Like their things you'll go through that make absolutely no sense at the time. And then you can look back like maybe even a decade or forty years down the line. And you're like oh shit. That's happened to me over and over and over the past two weeks because I keep hitting points where I'm like. Oh now, I get it. Oh shit. Okay. This. This worst. Like there was so many times that Madison the CEO in one of the founders of grand ex, and I I wouldn't understand him or he wouldn't understand me. And it's because I think it's really difficult. No matter how perceptive and intelligent of a human. You think you are to make those connec? I mean things immediately become difficult when you're on the other side of the eight ball as the like founder or manager of a company, and you're dealing with employees versus when you're an employee, and you're dealing with the manager or maybe even the founder, owner of a company is just a complicated relationship that human beings have a very difficult time. Just people all of us not like me in particular or anybody that I've dealt with in particular. It's hard for everybody to handle these professional personal relationships. Is just a lot. I mean, I don't know if that, you know, that's the smartest thing I've ever said. But it's a it's true. It really is. It's just a lot to handle. I have a lot of respect for anybody who delves into the the startup realm and tries to start their own business and do the small business thing. Even for something as simple as podcasting like I've got to shows, right? The Ross Bohlin podcast in wasters, clams and cockles at a pretty simple business setup. You would think but only shit there's a jillion moving facets imparts to it in its just non stop chaos. So I'm excited for tomorrow to be like my first official day alone out in the ocean with the shark swimming around me. It's going to be awesome. I cannot wait to to continue to get this to keep the momentum that we already have going and tomorrow will be the first opportunity for anybody who does not watch or give a shit about game of thrones to support bowling media because the Rb patriot page is coming as of tomorrow. Now, if you don't know what patriot is it's a it's serve. It's a website. It's a platform that content providers like myself can sign up on. And it gives us a place to offer you premium podcast podcast that are behind a paywall along with other content, like columns and articles and such. And I mean, there's a million things you can do with that. You can do video. You can do pictures. You can do anything you want. It essentially offers you a place to have a hub for your community. Right. Y'all are the community the Rb p gang. So there is most certainly going to be a hub now on patriot for y'all to not only. Soak in and enjoy more content from me more written stuff more premium podcast that aren't going to be available on the regular feeds but other shit as well all of which will be announced or the start of which will be announced tomorrow on Rb one seventy seven. So you've got that to look forward to a question hit me, this is actually backtracking. Yeah. Meant to ask you this like a while back while you were explaining that you'd think but when you're talking about your journey. Yeah. Like how you got from just where you start. It's where you're at now where there any points along that journey to where you just wanted to quit media completely to where you just felt defeated. And you're like, hey, Al enough, I meant to do this. I don't think I should do this. And if so like, how did you deal at the yet, dude? Good question. No, many many times over the course of the years, especially at the beginning. I think like when when we first started building, the company grand X back in the day, and it was just three of us. And I I just just really three dude sitting in a little room. We had a brand out office. Attached to a DPS on south con. The, you know, the place where you go get your driver's license. Yeah. So there were never any spots in the parking lot. And I mean, it was probably like a couple hundred bucks a month rent. This place was a dump and we sat in this room. And at the beginning there were times while I was like I was making. I think my starting salary was like twenty two K y'all know how you live off the it's in Austin. It's you do it under a bridge. I was fortunate enough to be in a position where I could call my dad once a month and beg for money. Thanks, dad for always keeping me off the street. But yeah, there were times where I thought to myself yohe's this even it, and especially in online media were the the landscape is just constantly shifting. I mean, what it looks like now versus what it looks like when I started. It's a completely different ballgame like it was all about editorial columns in in finding ways to monetize columns and your website and driving traffic, and like I don't give a fuck about any of those things like they it couldn't be more different in twenty nineteen than. Wasn't two thousand eleven with us is not how you make money anymore. No, no. And it's just I mean, it's just such a difficult game. So yeah, there were plenty of times along the way where I thought to myself like it's not that I ever questioned getting out of media. Like, I don't think I ever once was like maybe I need to be doing something else because I don't want. There's noth-. This is what I'm good at like, I knew that from the get-go are going to college. When you're in school. I didn't know then I knew day one on the job though. Like first time I sat down in front of the computer to pump out content in entertain people in right and make in like drive social media engagement. I was addicted. I knew it was like it was my thing. It was. No, you just knew that you wanted to be in that realm guessing, some former fashion like, right? It wasn't like you said, you weren't sure if it was going to be writing or at that point AJ, I had never even listened to a podcast in my life. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how far away more. I didn't even know what a podcast was. Right back. Then you know, if we're talking like way back then now, I remember seeing like podcasts on my phone or whatever. And being like, what is this nerdy shit? Like, I didn't. I there was something about it. There was not inviting to me I was like I don't understand. And I don't really want anything to do with it. And it's funny because that's still where so many people are like if you've seen the growth of this show as inspiring, and you like dams crazy Ross has been able to accomplish with Rb p or whatever like first of all and flattered but second of all that's the result. I mean, that's even with like, I took an Uber here. Right mining's. He's been trash in the car. Just not not something that we need to delve into today. But it's been awful every time. I drive I've horrible anxiety and panic attacks, and it sucks. So I've been bring again, and my Uber driver on the way here, for instance. I'll he was like, so what do you do man because he sees drop me off at a place called permanent records studios. And he's like are you a rapper like a you boom. And I'm like no allowed to him and said, yeah, yes. My name is yellow wolf. Look up my stuff on Spotify. That would have been. That's what I'm gonna do. Next time. Man. I'm gonna try to take credit for somebody else. People believe you people think I'm six oh, you heard this guy. Six foot six guy from Alabama. Right. What was it? Oh, anyway, he had never heard a podcast. I was like do you know, what a podcast is. And he was like. Nope. I mean, he's probably in his he's forty years old. You know, he's not that old of a dude cl- is nine years above me. Now does know Weijia. Yeah. No idea. He was he was like if I wanted to listen to your show. How would I go about doing that? Now is like you are you are you seri-, dude? There's an app it just says podcast you click on it. That's what. But that shows you the potential in this industry still considering such a vast majority of the population still hasn't even know how this shit works or how to get a podcast or what it means. So. But also at the same time podcast blown up because of the fact that we live in a society now to where we're constantly she moved in on the go, and like we need content that can follow muting as we're waiting on the bus as we're going to class as Ren class. We're doing we're all we're always doing stuff and just seems like now is the time where podcasts really relevant because we need something to keep us entertained, something clicked to stimulate our mind. I guess around the explosion of cereal and all that stuff. Yeah. We we can credit that because I wanna say that's like the OG. It was for me. It was the first show I ever ever listened to like there's not even a question that it should be begin a ton of credit for the reason that I ever even got into this industry. I listened to that show in it clicked for me. I was like oh my God. This is incredible. It's a it's a it's the lack of barriers between you and your audience. It's you just upload it and bam. They can download it just like that. That's beautiful that process alone cannot be given enough shine. It's the best part about podcasting. But it's also just such a direct connection with your audience. And it like I feel like Syrah Koenig is like one of my best friends now. That's how many very intimate. Yeah. Thing is what you mitt is very connected Meller for fall annot that could be the reason. Why people are so connected to you know, whatever all these different podcasts that are out there. It is because there's some they're like super needs. Like, oh, yeah. Dude. No. It's just like the most obscure topics right interests or hobbies or whatever. But people become really connected to like, you know, the people that are hosting them. Right. Even my own family like all have. So it's so crazy to think about it. It's just like you hearing someone's voice, and it's just like you're really drawn into that. I'll have my mom tell me like, it's. Funny. She feels like she hangs out with me a lot more than she does. Because she listens to me talk for eight hours a week through all these shows. I do and I mean, obviously, I don't have the flip side version of that. So like when me, and my mom, she's more caught up on my life than I even realized, you know, it's just such a funny thing. So yes, absolutely. Even my own mom feels closer to me. She birth to me, and she feels closer to me as a result of this audio podcast. So yes, it's of course, that applies to strangers as well. It's a crazy crazy thing that I'm very very happy to be a part of. And again, you'll find out more about the IBP patriots Amaro. I'm so pumped like so many people hit me up when the OCC patriot lodged to be like a what the fuck like, where's where's the Rb gangs? What do you have for us? Dude. I've got y'all ahead to do the I had to do the game of thrones things. I because the season was starting and I had to capitalize. So now, it's time to take care of the Rb gang too. And I will be I mean you on though, I will be come on the patriots gonna be fucking credible. It'll be the funnest place on the entire whole of the internet. And I appreciate all. Thank you. Everyone who listens everyone who's ever listening to this show for rolling with me and supporting me and making sure that we continue to exist. More to come tomorrow. This intro has spiraled completely out of control. Maybe my favorite show. We've ever done though. Yeah. So good good sharing aging. Very good content props to use sir question. A lot followers on Instagram at the Ross Bohlin podcast where everyday we fill up our story with photos and videos, send him by you, the VP gang are loyal and loving listeners. I mostly collect those photos and videos through Snapchat. Now, I know that's confusing. My Snapchat at W R Boland. You just snap me a photo or video of anything you'd think would fit into the RV p Instagram story, and I'll take the good stuff everyday and throw it up on their right? That's it. You don't to over think it. That's just how it works at W R bullet on Snapchat at the Ross Bohlin podcast on Instagram. We're also on Twitter at Ross bowl. Pod where you're gonna see a lot of what goes out on Instagram available in Twitter as well. But Twitter is a much better platform for engaging in one on one conversations dishing out additional information, I can post a lot more without it flooding a feed of, you know, somebody complaining to Instagram you putting up too many pictures, or whatever it's just it's great for conversation. So follow us on Twitter as well at Ross Bohlin pod. And I've allegedly been told we're somewhere on Facebook. I can't confirm the location of the page. I emailed Zuckerberg personally. I was like, dude. What's the deal? I've I've heard there's like, sixty two followers. That's that's that's it's an embarrassing number of people. What is the point of Facebook page in twenty nine thousand? I don't even honestly know eat one sucker Berg, if you find it you can enjoy it. I guess there was a like if not no big deal announcements in amends. Nope. None zero not a single fucking one. Does. That mean, I haven't made a mistake since last week. Nope. No, it doesn't. It means. I forgot to add. Him. So I will tomorrow now I'll have to apologize for twice as many things on our VP one seventy seven. This is the first time this is happened. It's terrible feeling. I'm talking myself through it. It's gonna buy on the oh, it is just personal apology. Just amid down a list after a men's after a men's, and that's that's what you have to look forward to on our VP one seventy seven, but let's do this one Rb one seventy six for segment stuff to Wikipedia when you're. Hi. So today's thing to Wikipedia when your high is a human. It's a name Anna Delhvi, a N A D E L V, E wise or last name Delhvi. Okay. Here's a headline from the New York Times last week fake heiress who swindled New York's elite found guilty now that may have just run a little Bill in your head like being a light bulb went off or whatever. That's because it was one of Micheals reads the week way back in the day like way the fuck back in the day. It was a about this Vanity Fair column. Remember that you remember the Vanity Fair column we we did a segment on we've talked about quite a bit. The title of the Vanity Fair column was like I think it was the fake heiress is the is the official title. But it was it was a story written by Rachel deloche Williams about her experience with our stuff that we Kapiti when your high today, Anna Delhvi and Dr from the New York. Times that I referred to by the way is incredibly solid as a whole. But I'll frame it up with a few of the opening paragraphs this this segment from that column, which is by Jan ransom. And Emily Palmer to give you a little bit of a taste of what's happening here on update on this. This crazy crazy story. Here you go. If New York is a city of dreams, Anna Sorkin, had plenty of them miss Oregon, a Russian immigrant from a middle class family long to be a member of the upper echelon of Manhattan society. She Obote her way into the city's bustling social scene and tried to raise money to open a members only arts club on Park Avenue south to friends in those wanting to do business with her. There was no reason to believe she was not the person she said, she was a wealthy German heiress with a taste for the high life for years. She had played the part and looked at two she wore the latest designer clothes Gucci and Yves Saint Laurent and move from one boutique hotel to the next she told that one. Hundred dollar tips treated friends, do expensive meals and chartered a private plane to Omaha for the Berkshire Hathaway conference that might be the biggest power move of hurt Omaha not Maha. But the Berkshire Hathaway conference. God knows what they do. They're noma. Continuing. But prosecutors in Manhattan said it was all ally. Missouri can they said swindled two hundred and seventy five grand from the rich and the unsuspecting including friends and financial institutions to pay for the jury lifestyle. She so desperately desired on Thursday. This is last week. I believe a jury convicted miss sorghum twenty eight year old of most of the charges against her including second degree grand larceny theft of services in one account one count of first degree, attempted grand larceny. She faces up to fifteen years in prison on that second degree grand larceny charge. Craziest story is it not AJ know very much. So reminds you of like a lot of these a lot of these fraudulent documentaries that that revolve around these fraudulent people like Billy McFarland in the like, whatever the name of their nose chick was I keep forgetting her name the only name I can remember theranos, but she was completely fully shit. We talked about it on the show already. But this this one in particular, this is my nightmare meeting. Somebody having bringing them in my life giving them money because they seem like they're going to be capable of turning that money into more money, and then finding out there actually German Russian immigrant who's been lying about their identity. This entire time these next level psychos with absolutely zero remorse. They're called the sociopaths for lying and cheating and scamming. They are dangerous. These are like among the most dangerous people in our society that aren't actually murders or hurting children. Are these con artists? I mean, also pass their psycho. They don't give a shit about anybody in except for themselves. Everything is about advancing their own agenda. It is completely crazy to me. I can I like, I'm a I'm a pretty messed up individual like in terms of the things I've been through and done in my life and things on spe-. They've been spoken. Unfortunately, at this point on the record, even which is probably. Early. Probably something I should have thought a little bit more, limitations. Tell goes thank God for to Jane's. I don't know what my point was, dammit, dammit. This is given more fuel to make Ron bowler fucking compilation videos every time. I forget what I was about to say that sounds like good content now. Now, I just remember this is going into a video that an intern makes. But anyway to get back to the story. Okay. Here's more from the New York Times on how this case actually wrapped up in court last week. Jurors did find her not guilty on one of the most serious charges which was the attempted grand larceny in the first degree regarding twenty two million dollar loan. She tried to obtain can you imagine not like how much was it twenty two million dollar loan? My God getting alone for those who've ever done. It is the biggest pain in the ass. Like, even get a home loan to go buy a house. First of all, it makes absolutely no sense. At no point during either of the home loans, I have acquired that I understand what was actually going on to the fullest extent. And it neither point that. I feel I should have been given the amount of money that I was both times. I was like. Like care about my credit cards. I mean, it makes me makes I don't know how it works. It makes no sense. But to get a twenty two million dollar loan when your actual value zero is hysterical. Do you just go to the Bank for that? Or how how's that work out? All kind of explain to you how she got deep into this whole. All right. They also by the way, a quitter of stealing sixty thousand dollars for a friend who from a friend who paid for a trip to Morocco. I mean, she was balls deep in the A-List like one percent life, dude. She was living for a little while here which credit to her for shaving that. But now she's going to prison. The case presented against her took a month a month long trial in the state supreme court in Manhattan. And I mean, it's just as crazy story as the New York Times puts it of a young Griffin who went to extrordinary links to persuade people that she was an heiress named Anna Delhvi fake it until you make her lawyer Todd spo- DHEC said during an opening statement last month Anna had to live by it. I don't know. Why? I guess that was there. They went with the fake it until you make it defense. That's not. I don't I don't know that that that even defense. It's not defense. It's just a lifestyle. People live in Dallas. But again, if you wanna read the whole full article in the New York Times, it's titled fake areas who swindled York's elite found guilty. It's by Jan ransom. And Emily Palmer in. It's freaking awesome. It delves into more detail here around this whole con- life that Anna Delhvi or real name was Anna Sorkin that she launched into. I mean, apparently she just wanted to become a nightclub owner AJ. So one night. She started lying dudes who might be able to make that happen by claiming she had a trust fund and was worth sixty million euros one of the guy. She lied twos. Name was Gabriel or Gabriel. Andreas Gabriel Andres kala travel sick sick named an architect and the son of Santiago Calatrava. Who's an architect who designed the Oculus which is the bird like centerpiece of the World Trade Center transit hub of the Oculus rift. He sounds like a rich hot Argentinean guy or something. You know what? I mean. Like, I don't know who this guy is. But he clearly got taken by Anna dovey, he convinced her. She convinced him rather that she was worth sixty million euros, and she wanted to launch a nightclub or whatever that dude she conned Calatrava ended up having to testify that he was in the process of trying to become a somebody himself out from underneath his father shadow sort of. He was trying to build his portfolio when miss Sorek and told him of for plans to open a private club called ADF, which was gonna stand for Anna Delhvi foundation. She said it was going to be a lot like SoHo house in New York, which is one of the more popular bar slash nightclubs. In all the world and more exclusive in all the world. And there was going to have an art exhibit is well in he agreed to design it so from the get-go, and I mean, you have to wonder. This is the same thing. I sort of wondered in the in the case of that. They're no steel where she was Elizabeth homes. I remember the name look at me. She was off conning all these old white dude's rich white dude's it made me wonder immediately. Like, I right. She seducing these guys because the has to come in the players there's a sexual. Yeah. If there's a sexual elements warmer fashion, right like she was taking advantage, and as a woman one at the very least. Yeah. One of your advantages over men, especially older men that you know, most likely horny in weird lonely lonely would be sexuality would be flirting would be would be trying to develop the relationship. And that's what if I was a con artist. And I was a woman. That's certainly what I would do. So I can't imagine it's any different from this Sorkin or Elizabeth homes are or any of the like now, I don't think that applied to Billy McFarland. Maybe it did one of his main investors was a woman of very respected Newark businesswoman. She was she is. Anymore? Maybe there was a sexual element to that. I have no idea. I'm simply speculating about how this could have been folded in reality Missourian did not have a single fucking penny to her name as she's pitching to Calatrava that she's an heiress and she wants to build a nightclub to compete with so house didn't have a fucking penny. Her father was reportedly a former truck driver from Russia who runs a heating and cooling business in Germany and supported her for years. He's in a C guy. No offense to the guys that are H VAT guys of the world, we need those guys. We need you bad, especially here in Texas. Oh, man, y'all more than ever right now. No bullshit respect to the vacuum. In fact, respect to all the like, I don't know what that kind of job is called like, for instance. My garage door broke the other day, and I had a garage door KAI guy. Come out, that's like a very specific skill set that specializes in garage doors. Shouts to all those type of dudes because in women because we've we need you. Badly. I can't do a whole lot on my own when it comes to garage door repair. So thank you. Thank you for being there didn't have a penny. This woman comes from very humble roots in Russia, and she'd left Russia or Germany, I guess where she was at at that point for an internship in Paris at purple magazine, then she relocated to New York in twenty fourteen. She is like the female wanna be Billy McFarland like if it was well before fire fest that he got caught and she just got caught too soon. Maybe she would have made it there. Maybe we would seen the next fire fest two point, oh, she was going in the same direction. She clearly wanted to dominate the nightlife thing she wanted to party. She wanted to be the coolest person in the room. She wanted to be the female Billy, or at least what he was pretending to be right. And she didn't just didn't quite get. I mean, it's like if we'd given her a couple more years, I believe we would've seen Sorkin do something worthy of an incredible documentary. Speaking of which AJ shonda rhimes. James has acquired the rights to the New York magazine profile that was written about miss, Oregon, and is developing a Netflix original series based on it tied. I definitely wanna watch that. So we got that to look forward to which is going to be cool and Lena Dunham is reported to be working on a separate project about antidote v based on an account in Vanity Fair, which I'm gotta assume the one that we did is our read of the week. So we're getting the the fire fest treatment with the two different iterations. And what's interesting to me? Well, I don't know if either one will be a doc, right? It says Netflix original series. You might be like even cooler than documentary. It might show inspired by what happened. I'll watch that too. I will for sure. And then it's really interesting to me that these like, okay? So the rights to the New York magazine profile, and the Vanity Fair piece had to be bought to even delve into the story. I'd never realized I was an option. Maybe I should start writing articles about cons. So that I can maybe. The rights purchased at some point to be turned into a movie, there is a million more things you can read about this story. Okay. The the Anna Sorkin, Anna Dovy all of it is is intense. There's actually not a whole lot on Wikipedia. Also, if you're going to Wikipedia when you're high go use that as the jumping off point for your young the basics of the story or whatever. And then go from there delve deeper read, the New York Times piece, I was talking about go back and read the Vanity Fair piece. The Mike abroad is a read of the week. So long ago, if you need a refresher, you know, at Ross, I I can see the bigger lesson to be learned just in this whole article, what is it Assad from like, the money, embezzlement, or the larceny or whatever? So many people strive to live this fancy luxurious lifestyle. They wanna be high status. Yes. Everyone wants to be. They wanna live. Dash and important. Yeah. Yeah. You mentioned on the show before and this this particularly pertains to college students. Yeah. People there are about to leave college like myself. You mentioned before that's important to not try to be like that and live within your means for sure because the harsh reality for many, many of us is that you're not gonna be making a ton of money right off college. Now, you're very lucky if you do if you if you do then, you know, props to you, but is very likely that you'll have to live a very humble modest lifestyle. Probab- probably be, you know, reasonably reasonably frugal do your spending habits with Heisman with how you you know, budget your money and whatnot. I could've made more work in. It is like the manager at McDonalds, maybe even a fry cook than I did my first year working in media. Yeah. So as wanna make the point there. No shame in making small amounts of money as long as it's putting you on the path that you wanna be on. And that's exactly what I was trying to get. Yeah. So many of us try to live outside of our means, dude. It's that you end up digging yourself into a deeper hole. And then then then look at you now. Like, you're in debt. It's the lowest your eyeballs, it's the word have all these expensive things that you can't pay for this car. This, you know, beachside condo TV. Overlooking the ocean or whatever, but that's by credit card to get the seventy insure when you should just got the fifty and paid out of pocket. Like, yeah. No, it never ends, dude. And it's the hardest part of your life. The hardest point of your life probably for college graduates because you get out of school, and you get that first paycheck, and even if it's only eight hundred bucks, you're like oh shit. I got my own money now, and it could be easy to look at your rent and be like, wow, only got to pay like, I don't know. What rent is these it depends entirely on where you live. That's all it, can it could you could look at it. And be like, well, I've got enough for rental ready. And I still got one more paycheck coming this month. Is you have no idea what you're doing like, you need to be saving money not spending it, but that being said AJ, it's like it really is one of those things where. At least in my case is the lesson. I had to learn on my own like already knew that, you know. Like common sense tells me don't be rack up a bunch of credit card debt, don't live outside. Your means. Don't go to the bar twice a week. If you don't even make enough money to go once a week, don't do those things. And then I did it anyway. And then it got me into positions while I was way more stressed anxious. Having to depend on like thank God. I had a mom and dad who could bail me out if I ever gotten trouble in couldn't pay rent? I mean, it was God knows where you'd be at. Now, if you didn't how I support system likely be dead. But the point is you don't have to go that route not everybody has to be the guy who needs to beat themselves. You know, like Jim Carrey in liar. Liar is always my example to learn their lesson. Like, you could just learn it up front. You don't always have to go the Ross bowl in self-mutilation route. It's not the funnest. It's just so many of us are delusional us college students are delusional to the fact that oh, well, you know, I gradu-. Related. I have this degree right easily be making, you know, fifty sixty thousand dollars now. It's right out the gate, dude. I had people you'll be making half of that. If you're lucky is crazy. I mean, we spent we we hired a lot of people out of college. When we when at grand X when we were running when I was running the company helping run the company, and these college kids have no idea how much money they're supposed to be making like doing contra salary negotiations with like twenty two year old who's coming straight out like Michigan state, or what they have no idea how much money they're supposed to make. Or what the people come out asking for like six figures for jobs that pay what you know? Like what I got twenty two K for it. Just it's nobody has any idea. It's fucking crazy. But to AJ's point when you come out of college the goal should be to acclimate yourself to the real world again number one because you have not been in the real world for a very extended period of time from anywhere for the fantasy world four to eight years. That's a bubble colleges. Colleges. Fantasy world. So you got to acclimate to the real world. And then from there, you gotta try to figure out the professional career thing. Like, all I can say is is is slow your roll, not easy. No interest. Just be rough. A lot of y'all will be tempted to to get straight off graduation. Get into the real world. Get that first paycheck hit the bars chase ass on either side of the fence get drunk like I mean, that's great. You need to blow off steam do that once a week or whatever. But you're not in college anymore. Don't put yourself in a position where you have to learn the lesson. I did which is you can't go out three nights a week anymore. No one's getting hammered on Tuesday night. Nah. It doesn't work like in the real world. Now, if you're going to get hammered on Tuesday night, do it in the comfort of your home on a couch like a normal alcoholic, don't go out to the bar and blow one hundred and twenty dollars and try to pick up chicks dudes and embarrass yourself, and then show up hung over at work twenty minutes late the next day. You see how this is just compounding everything down the line from one bad decision. Just makes everything else. A little bit more stressful. That's exactly what you want avoid straight out of college. Because you're gonna be miserably stressed for at least. I'm thinking. At least eight years. I haven't found the non stressful point yet. I'll let you know when I do. Anyway, we look forward to work from Lena Dunham on Anna Delhvi. I'm just kidding. I'll watch the other ones. Netflix one. I'm not a big needed, Dunham guy, super talented, human fucking hilarious. Great writer. Not for me. Neither am I not just not for me. That's all say next segment. Fundamental issues with itemizing Tony Montana. You know, Tony Montana. AJ very familiar. Yes. It's the main character in the movie called Scarface us played by our Pacino now from college dorm walls to every single edition ever of MTV's cribs, the idol is Asian of Tony Montana in Scarface as as he's known from the movie it runs rampant in American culture thing. Is that people don't realize what they're idolizing? Yeah. They just they just know this this dope ass movie, which is what we're going to get into yet. Right. I mean, everybody knows lines from this movie like say to my little friend one of my favorites. And I actually had a poster on my wall in college. That said I you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the women, and it was a picture of Tony Montana's sitting in his desk at the end of the movie with like several ounces of blow just dumped onto the table. And it's all over his nose. You know? The scene. Oh, yeah. Right before he gets well, I won't spoil anything here. Look if you've never seen Scarface at this point. I assume you don't really give shit so up there, you a little synopsis, so you can understand what's problematic about this whole thing. And then we'll start getting into the fundamental issues rounding Tony Montana as an idol. Here's your synopsis after getting a green card in exchange for assassinating acumen government official Tony Montana stakes claim on the drug trade in Miami viciously, murdering anyone who stands in his way, Tony eventually becomes the biggest drug Lord in the state controlling nearly all the cocaine that comes through Miami. But increased pressure from police wars with Colombian drug cartels in his own drug-fuelled paranoia served a fuel the flames of his eventual downfall to hear that last part. His eventual downfall is owned drug-fuelled paranoia. This dude was a fucking loser main p cracked Tony never really had a grip on it. He went too hard too fast with zero respect for. Anyone around him or above him? He murdered his own best friend. He probably wanted to bone. His sister any ends up getting absolutely rocked by Bolivia in hit squad. Like seriously, Tony Montana is a fantastic L Pacino's almost racially insensitive. Overacting is incredible. And I can love this movie. I've watched it thirty times. It's a great movie as I mentioned, I had a poster Scarface poster on my own wall in college at one point of the probably the worst one you could have in. That's a massive red flag because I was total piece of shit in college. So allow me to quote, one of the great philosopher poets of our time push t to summarize my thoughts on the idolization of Tony Montana. If hustling is a must be Sosa, not Tony. Who Sosa Sosa was the boss dog? In Scarface, you remember what is our hundred so side think is his name. He's the guy. He's a Bolivia drug Lord. And Tony goes and meets with him in Columbia, and they. Strike up deal. It I on behalf of Tony's employer in that. Eventually Tony takes out his own employer into deal between Tony Sosa where he is helping distribute their Colombian cocaine that he's bringing in through Bolivia, I suppose in the United States and Sosa tells Tony don't you ever? Fuck me. Tony don't you ever try to fuck me? And then later at one point calls him a little monkey when he does fuck him. And they had this intense phone conversation that eventually leads to Tony getting rocked. But the point is so so was the boss not Tony Sosa was the dude with his head on straight. Not Tony if you're going to do dirt, and you're looking for someone to idolize, maybe go with the dude who still above ground and didn't take like six hundred bullets in the final scene of the movie Sosa had his shit together. He had his mind on the bigger picture. He had the international political connections needed to have success in the industry. He was the man not Tony Sosa should be on your wall or. Really like Jesus or nipsy hustle, but not Tony Montana. The coke Fien loser. Who might have wanted to fuck? His own sister murdered his best friend in derailed on a bender that ended with him in every single one of his men getting absolutely wasted by Bolivia in hit squad. Right AJ. Yeah. No, I agree with all those points. Exactly. So if your kid, and you gotta Tony Montana picture on your wall. Poster on your wall background on your phone. Switch that bitch out, you're supporting incest, put so sub. There was a deal with the relationship with the sister man, it was so fucking creepy and weird. He's like falling her in the bathrooms and shit and busting in when she's trying to make out with dudes like chill out, you creepy psychopath. Twenty was a fucking psycho. I love the movie like the movie watch the movie do your thing. But don't idolize Tony Montana. You Jack ass he lost. It's not complicated. Jesus. 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Please tell so there's a Bill in the works that would have decriminalized possession of small amounts of marijuana in Texas. I'll small we talking about I think it's under two ounces. Okay. And it's been substantially rewritten to increase its chances of becoming a law because they were gonna be issues. Like, we had our lovely was his idiots title. Lieutenant governor Dan Patrick says Senate won't pass Bill to lower penalties for marijuana. So they had to rewrite the thing to get these people to agree to be a part of it or whatever as proposed house Bill sixty three would remove the penalty for getting caught with an ounce or less of marijuana and replaced it with a two hundred and fifty dollar fine. See beginning ticket rather than being arrested. And this is something that is kind of been addressed on a city by city basis, the decriminalization thing like, I know Houston, did it did a number to take. Some of the penalties for marijuana arrests down things go over there. Good so far. It's better than it was before. But the statewide thing is the most important battle were facing still in states like Texas where we we all knew we were going to be thirty years behind. You know, I mean everybody looked at Texas and it was like yet. Good luck stone is you're never gonna get that. We had down there. We know we're aware, right? We're aware that we live in one of the more, right? Leaning conservative old school government states in the union. Right. We knew we'd was going to be a tough sell here. We need a lot of old white guys to die before weed gonna get legalized in Texas. Those are just facts. So in the meantime, all we can do is try to fight against the criminalization of the drug because there are too many people sitting in prison and county for stupid we'd charges that come on. It's legal in other states. What are you doing it blows my mind just to go back to that? Fact, it blows my mind that they're in. They're in prison with actual criminals. You know what? I mean, no shit. I've been called with just you know, minute amounts of marijuana like capital murders. And like that's not a joke though. That's for real like. Yeah. At one point when I was rob people have committed robbery like grand larceny. Yeah. Grand theft auto. So you've I've I've spoken to my first my first arrest ever was marijuana related. So you could argue that I have spent time in jail as a result of weed because it spiraled a little bit out of control. Anyway, when I finally had to do like a full three days in Harris County at one point they stuck me in this giant sixty person. It's not a holding. So it's like a it's just a big sell. It's it's beyond the holding cells. It's you're processing sensually where I spent all three days, and there were guys in there who had attempted murder charges. They were guys in there who had very very serious things that they need have been convicted of or being charged with or like, the dude I shared a bunk with told me a story about how he came home. Got anyone argument with his ex she liked picked up a gun and was about to shoot. It Adam he wrestled it away from her in as he was wrestling away from her like popped off a shot. And then as a result got charged with the attempted homicide or something crazy shit like that where I was like, oh good. I won't sleep tonight. And I was just some kid who got popped with. We'd you know what I mean, it just it doesn't add villa kid. Would you do? Right. And I was like roll the blunt. I smoked pot like smoked marijuana like a cigarette. That's what I did. Do it just doesn't add up, and you've got guys who've spent dozens of years in some cases decades in prison because a weed charges that's stupid. It's so silly it just it at the very least Texas vote to get this shit the penalties removed and get these people out of prison. You realize we're paying for this. Right. The whole system is bullshit. It's we pack as many people in the prison as we can. And a lot of them are privately financed. People are getting paid off of this. They're taking our tax dollars in using us. In keeping people locked up over we'd and then we complain about overcrowding prisons we lowered as being hypocrites at that point. But there's look at what we're doing. It's the drug that makes you sleepy and happy and relaxed now in some cases, hungry freaks people out you eat snacks. That's the most dangerous thing that could happen is actually good for people who deal with eating disorders. I've heard you hear about people getting stoned and beating their spouse. No, that's an alcohol thing, I've never once heard the we does not get people doing shit that like I mean. Okay. It's a gateway drug what every drug is life is a gateway drug. I never found. It any point that we'd made me more susceptible to doing any other drugs. More than life itself. Did those are just yet? It's a gateway drug in the sense that you try weed and you're like, oh, this was easy. Sure. But it's not a gateway drug in the sense that you do at once. And you're like my God, I must try all the drugs like what the fuck it. Just the way I grew up having weed explained. Me haunts me because I it was sold to me like, you know, by teachers, and parents and stuff as if it was like cocaine like it over when your life. It's a gateway drug you'll end up doing crack in the street like fuck off. It's not what. So you're telling me, you can go home and have a half bottle of wine every night to unwind, and that's not a gateway drug in some way to you potentially doing other shit. Like, it just it just fuck off. The thing is the argument is idiot. So here's some more from KFI in Austin today or actually yesterday, I guess on Monday, the Texas house of representatives voted to give preliminary approval to a Bill that will reduce criminal penalties for Texans who have small amounts of marijuana in their possession. The Bill was approved the amended Bill was approved it reduces those penalties for possessing an ounce or less of marijuana to a class c misdemeanor and removes jailtime as a punishment for those offenses. It's about fucking time. So now if you pop with less than an ounce you essentially get like a speeding ticket. Which if I might add or make a suggestion. Can we bump it up to like three ounces not gonna explain why? But if you just bump it up to like three, right? I don't wanna have to be driving back to my drug dealers house that often to pick up more weed three, please if I might be able to make request you the Bill was even further changed on Monday, though, when moody met with governor, Greg Abbott, and they amended the amendment. Okay. This amendment to the amendment still allows those who have low level marijuana possession charges to have their records expunged if they fulfill their probation requirements, but it says instead of automatically wiping their records. The offenders have to ask for expunge -ment. One. Now, I'm gonna guess this is a money thing again because when you ask for expunge -ment, you're asking for paperwork to be done. And when you ask for paperwork to be done you have to pay. That's how the government works, especially when you're on papers or probation parole, or whatever they charge you for bucking everything that they do. It's all about money at the end of the day. That's what makes me so angry when it comes to the 'cause you're talking about people's lives. I don't get if you want to be a psycho and make money over everything fine. But the second you put human life in front of it, you're done, then it stops making sense and people are spending their lives behind bars for some shit. That is frankly medicinal like what if you use it correctly. Anyway, it's medicinal. In you, you put people behind. Blood pressure is skyrocketing hit do you think all the people they're against we like all these politicians and whatnot. Do you think? It's because they've never had good. We'd themselves. I don't know. I may maybe if someone gave them like the good stuff. I really like, okay. Yeah. Maybe we should make this legal. Greg Abbott had at one point found the correct strain. Like, maybe this hold on it. He's been smoking purple haze. What's the opposite of Indika? He's been smoking sativa this whole time getting to work up anxious. He should have been hitting Indika. You wanna Downer? Greg a Downer. Calm yourself, sir. He might have had nothing, but Reggie is whole life fuck sake put a hat on you know, if Greg or if Dan Patrick ever smoked anything. It was Reggie. Just seeds. Oh god. Anyway. So this Bill still classifies possession of announce or less of marijuana is classy misdemeanor which requires a citation, but it clarifies that the requirement to withhold making arrests doesn't apply if the offender is facing other charges besides possession, which I guess makes sense. Like, if it's not just we'd you probably have to. I mean, if you have weed and you're driving like, oh, by the way. Yeah. Then obviously that makes sense, but at present Texas law classifies possession of two ounces or less of marijuana as a class b misdemeanor which carries a fine of two thousand dollars up to two thousand dollars a hundred and eighty days in jail, driver's license suspension and a permanent criminal record them. You get your license suspended two, which is the thing that we will. That's complicated. I'm not gonna answer that question. Yes. Basically you. There's this whole thing where you can apply to fight that in you. I mean, it just depends on I think it's only if you're getting pulled over in the car with weed, then it's a different deal. I'm not exactly sure I'm not a lawyer. But because they believe that if you smoke weed you shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle. Yeah. I guess it goes back to that year lack of logic. Which by the way, I've routinely people hit me up to be like man, I can't believe you don't drive stone. Like, it's one of my favorite things to do. I'm terrible at it. That's why I don't do it. It's not just my safety, but everyone else's. It's you shouldn't be driving a motor vehicle or operating heavy machinery with your fucking your faculties impaired. Okay. That's. Just keep each other live that's trying to do here on a day day-to-day basis. But yeah, I don't drive stoned it. It's too much. It's too much. You'll have the drive to begin with exactly period at this point. But even before before I was started having the anxiety behind the wheel again like I didn't like driving high because. I just my reaction times to slow. I'm not trying to hit anybody or get hurt or hurt anybody else. Fuck all that. Anyway, I'm proud of the my state for finally Lee somebody's doing something to push this shit forward. Because in my part, it's not just personal like, it's not just that. I want the ability to be able to go to a legitimate dispensary. Purchase actual correct late correctly. Labelled strains of marijuana that were created for specific things that I need help with like, anxiety or stress levels or sleeper. Whatever I want that badly. But I also want access to the advertising dollars like lie to you. There's a business side of this as well. And right now, I can't advertise. Dick relating to weed because its shit's illegal in my state. So I'm ready for that to stop. And I look forward to, you know, forty years from now when a podcast is probably called something else like a simul techy cast and. And then I can finally do ad reads for bad ass weed companies you have your own strain. When the I hope so that's the maybe sooner rather than later only reason I've been doing this. This whole show is just a long con in a ruse to get me to have a strain of marijuana named after me like Willie Nelson, and we're we're going to get their people slowly. But surely next segment. Clint Eastwood's undetermined amount of children. So your member the trailer for the movie, the mule Clint Eastwood movie that came out. I don't know probably six months ago, some some shit like that price somewhere around there somewhere there abouts in to well now two thousand eighteen anyway, here's your here's your synopsis for the mule broke alone phasing for closure on his business. Ninety year old Holte court culturists horticulturists Earl stone takes a job as a drug Currier for a Mexican cartel. The ninety year old horticulture is Earl stone is played by. Clint Eastwood, by the way. Okay. Which you need that in your head for this to be funny. His immediate success leads to easy money in a larger shipment. That soon draws the attention of hard charging DA agent Colin Bates who's played by our boy from oh, no, Bradley Cooper, close who. Yeah. You wish you met thought he had a piece there that you thought you had one you didn't not quite anyway. So when Earle's past mistakes start to weigh heavily on his conscience. He must decide whether to right. Those wrongs before law enforcement in cartel Doug's catch up to him. This movie is not good now. It's not bad. But it's not good. And I'll explain what I mean. It's essentially like if America's grandpa refused to give up the keys to the car and is still driving. But instead of a car, it's a Hollywood movie in it's not your grandpa. It's one of the biggest movie stars in history. It's Clint Eastwood you like the script is solid like the movie is solid that story is solid. But it's almost as if like I would enjoyed this. If I was seventy five a lot more than I enjoy it at thirty one. It's almost like it was an action movie made for the elderly for old people. I'm not joked, dude, I'm serious. I was cracking up. There are so many lines and interactions and poor bits of acting between old people in this movie in again, all due respect to the elderly to our elders to our grandparents to all those from the older generations. I think these people are in. Important in. There's a ton to learn from them. There's not a reason I dedicate entire month to encouraging my fan base to call their fucking grandparents because I think it matters. But holy shit. They shouldn't be in charge of movies. Why why is he directing this thing? He's fucking ancient. How old is Clint Eastwood at this point. I mean, I really don't understand. This must have been so awkward to make. He can barely talk nowadays. Let's he's eighty fucking eight dude. His voice is just like a deep rasp. He growls allies. You're he has all these like weird men qualities this weird racial humor. He makes all these old man jokes about race. Like, he took you've ever see granted. I was going to bring that up. Yeah. Unless you're really good movie. I saw it in theaters. It was really good. Even that you had these little bitty glimpses into what was going to become a bigger problem of Clint being oldest. Fuck right. Even in that movie. There was little visiting anti-asian where you will yet and just being a rampant racist, especially against Asians. You've never heard more Asian racially insensitive jokes than in that movie. And somehow he got away with it. He brings a little bit of that to this movie. He says a few things that you're like a long going thing. This is awkward. It's not funny anymore. It's not made for two thousand nineteen. Clint Clint what are you doing the nineteen fifty five it's over? We don't make jokes about race anymore. It's very uncomfortable. You're too old. You sat on a chair and once argh. You'd with an invisible Barack Obama during mitt Romney's campaign. You don't get to make jokes about race anymore. Dude. I can imagine him making those jokes and just like some racist old persons like laughing Judy kind of works, even I'm dude, I'm not racist. And I was like some old racist guys. Like crying just watching the it's not supposedly funny men old white racist guys. Shouldn't be funny. That's not funny. They're the problem. But this shit was funny to me. I don't know why it's important because I think Clint Eastwood is genuinely probably an okay guy or you're gonna say racist. I don't get that feeling but I could be dead wrong. I don't know enough about him in to that point. After the movie Taylor. And I were like man that's crazy that they allowed him to do this. I get it. He's a legend. But holy shit. That was a lot of money to hand an old guy. And then let him run the whole show. There's just awkward unintentional humor throughout the movie because I swear to God it was made for the elderly like if you watch it in a nursing home. It's probably the best movie ever seen. If you watch it in your twenties. You're like fucking weird. I just feel strange and slightly more racist than I was before. So we end up looking up Taylor and I- Clint Eastwood because we're trying to see like how old is dude is like we were talking about his kids. How one of them? What Scott Eastwood is arising young star. Yeah. He's like they just got these hot kids run around Hollywood dominating now. And this led us googling. How many kids he has which led us to his Wikipedia page which states that he has anti quote an undetermined amount of offspring. Undetermined, bro. What the fuck? This is some Kareem Abdul-Jabbar shit even Dwight Howard has determined. How many kids he has? I think it's eight seven different women. This shit is crazy. So you go to the children's section, and it says on his Wikipedia Clint Eastwood one of the biggest movie stars in the history of the United States under his Wickham pedia page under children, it says undetermined number including than list each woman, the first one that he's had kids with Roxanne Tunis. He had someone a baby named Kimber Tunis in nineteen sixty four then with a woman named Johnson. I don't know if that's a I relaxed. He had three kids Betty, sue Cato. Kyle Eastwood and Alison Eastwood from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy-two. Then with a woman named Jaclyn Reeves he had Scott Eastwood and Kathryn Reeves in nineteen eighty six one thousand nine hundred eight then with a woman named Fisher he had Francesca Eastwood in nineteen Ninety-three then with woman named Ruis. He had Morgan Eastwood in nineteen Ninety-six God, then with the woman who declined to be identified. He had Lori Marie back in nineteen fifty four. I guess that one has since been added Clint Eastwood has. Daughters. Born thirty two years apart. Nineteen sixty four was his first daughter. Yeah. Morgan Eastwood was born in ninety six dude. There's a bigger gap between two of his daughters than me, and my mother and father. It's like if you have them side by side, though, look more like mother and child and sisters right in their sisters. Can you have I can't even imagine? How does that relationship work thirty two year me and my brother five years apart? And we hated each other for the first twenty five years of our lives because that age gap makes it so difficult to understand each other. Can you imagine if your brother or sister was thirty two years younger or older than you member? Being a big brother when you were little and being annoyed because your little brother thought, you recall and wanted to hang out with you, can you imagine if your little brother thought, you were his grandpa like you know, what I thought you were as dad with the fuck just such an awkward situation. I had no idea Clint Eastwood has been liberally applying his seed to all of Hollywood you had no idea. No. It was only like the biggest actor in Hollywood for like twenty thirty years ages in his prime. This is an ear. Responsible amount of sperm. He is spread out to godless counts of women. How this is only the part. We I mean, come on the fact that we have a woman who declined to be identified the fact that we have kids thirty two years apart. You know, this isn't the end of this list. You know, he's taking care of some of this shit with hush money. I'm just kinda shocked what if they listed all the women that he had sex with and just like a question Mark beside each one. Yeah. You know, he can't keep count. He had to hit a point. There. Do go back and watch an old. Clint Eastwood legend old Clint Eastwood movie, he was a legend. I mean, the dude was like mean. Well, I mean, he was like a good looking guy in his prime. Also, very even as an old, man. His facial structure has pretty much remained the same very well. Yeah. His face is. You can still see old Clint Eastwood up in that face a little bit. I love old western movies. So I've seen most of his old ones. I'm a big fan of Clint Eastwood, I think he's he's fantastic. I I'm not even like, obviously taking into consideration his personal life or political views. I just mean as an actor, but I was cracking up about the thirty two years apart daughters, man, that is this guy did quite a bit of fucking over the course of his career respect to Clint Eastwood. And by the way, I just kept waiting for his ass to get dragged into the me too thing. I never saw that happen. I didn't see it happen. Which is crazy. I figured the oldest oldest white guys were the most screwed when that started on Raveling. Like he was one of the dude I had my fingers crossed like God. Please don't not please tell me Clint Eastwood hasn't been a terrible human being please tell me. He's okay. Like, maybe a. Robert deniro. Yeah. You'll be up there in that mix old school legends in American cinema. That seemed like they had a really good chance of being dragged into this. Now that being said Clint Eastwood set a lot of things that piss off a lot of people in the realm of politics. So I'm gonna go ahead and break off of this conversation now just funny to me that you could be listed on week. A PD is having an undetermined amount of children. I hope I never in that company. And that will do it for our BP one seventy six but first before you go before you hit stop. It's time for some very important announcements as I've talked about over the past few weeks game of thrones season. Eight is underway. 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My friend, the fake German heiress: a true crime special books podcast

"The guardian hello and welcome to the guardian books podcast with me sean kane and me alison fled blood in this episode talking true crime one of the fosters growing genres in publishing podcasting and media right now this week i speak to rachel true deluge williams about her new book my friend anna rachel i met anna sarkin then known as an adobe in two thousand sixteen like many who travelled in manhattan in high society rachel that this ought demanding german heiress was just another rich socialite from europe making the best of the luxuries new york had to offer this shia and a story made headlines around the world when it was revealed that she was not actually a german heiress but a regular woman from russia who defrauded banks of hundreds of thousands of dollars to assume the fake identity in april anna was found guilty of grand larceny and was sentenced to four to twelve years in prison her former friend rachel came into the studio recently and began and by reading an extract from my friend anna you are here to read about anna dalvi an i don't blame you i to found her charming while we were friends. It's the best villains are the ones. You can't help liking despite their malevolence. That was anna's power. I liked her so much that it took me six months to realize allies. My dear friend was a con artist. The truth was right under my nose from the outside. Looking in people may think they comprehend the story of my friendship with anna china. It may seem easy to resume my motivations or assign blame based on stories in the news but nothing about what i went through with anna was simple by telling my story here and all of its detail. I hope people will come to better understand what it was really like to live through this experience ultimately i. I believe that it's natural to want to trust people. I'm not sorry about that. Having this impulsive doesn't make a person stupid or naive it makes her human in in my opinion. It's a mark of good fortune not to have developed type of cynicism that comes with so called street smarts. If you'd asked me before i met anna. I wouldn't have thought i lacked this type of common sense. I was skeptical of strangers suspicious of new people but i didn't see anna coming. She he slipped through my filters. You read about those characters in books. You see them in movies but you don't expect to meet one in real life. You don't think it's going to happen. I've been to you. If you haven't yet had the experience i can tell you. It is deeply unsettling to learn that someone you care about a person you think you know. Well is an illusion it messes with your head. You replayed the scenes. The words the implied understandings you pick them apart. You hold each bit up to the late and ask what if any truth it contains regret isn't unproductive emotion. What's done is done. All any of us can do is choose how to react in each moment informed by the past. We decide how to move forward. I don't have regrets but i can see how this happened and and there is something to be learned from that. I say something which is vague because what i learned seems to evolve and expand with time. I've processed this ordeal l. in waves privately and publicly looking back on different parts. I feel a long way from myself from the way i used to be. This is my story right showed aletsch williams. Thank you very much coming on the guardian books podcast. Thank you so much for having me now. If people get anxious about money matters and i'm sort of one of those people this book he's one of the most unsettling and anxiety inducing books. I think you can you can you can you look back on the time that you need. <hes> and he's an amazing actually that it's only three years ago that you met her anna sorkin on anna delhvi. She's got these two names. Do you think you can pinpoint in the moment now with hindsight on site. When you started syncing that something was wrong yes and no you know i think i can look back on the friendship and reflect on instances where i made a choice to rationalize behavior that maybe didn't jive with my values or the way i operate so she could be rude or entitled then i would think of excuses for her without her even having to say anything you know oh maybe no one taught her manners and the way that my parents did x._y._z. But but it wasn't until long after our chip to marrakesh when i really started to question her identity and the way that she was presenting herself to the world took a trip to our cash that she offered to pay for their money went to this lovely sounding riyadh which was very expensive her credit cards declined and so she asked you to step in as a temporary remeasure and you're reassured that she was going to pay you back and then over the coming months became very apparent that this girl that seemed like this german socialite rich sh- young woman actually possibly didn't have any money at all and you sort of acknowledging that preface that you read that of course people are going to be interested in her and you very in one of the earliest parts that anna was an odd ball twenty six year old fashioned hof foreign and i mean not intrinsically as an anna how to quality that marked has other as outlandish as strange. Can you sort of outline that was. Did you think now that you've noticed that she was possibly sociopathic. Yes that's exactly exactly what i was going to say. Actually i think there was this quality that i couldn't put my finger on. It's what kept me watching. It's i also think part of her charm to the broader our world who's now paying attention to her the way she operates in her own world and her own system her own she she makes up her own rules. She does what she wants. I i still can't quite define it but i think you're right to say that that is part of a sociopaths charm where you can't quite identify what it is but there's something about them that you find transfixed sing and and you kind of get pulled in kind of like a flies apper is and at the time you first met her. You were working at body so you had some exposure to the glitzy side of new york's unit. You knew how these things advocated but it's so interesting now to think in hindsight that she was also an outsider to that world but there was a sort of intrinsic quality cheer an air that she had somehow developed that meant that people met her and just assumed absolutely of course she's in this world doesn't sort of amaze you now that you know she's just a big as bay outsider as you're to that world but she was able to convince everyone that she does have to be the yes <hes> and also no i i think even when i was friends with anna she did seem much like a loner. You know she. I think it's kind of funny in the way that she's been portrayed after this experience when we she's been outed as a con artist looking back there seems to be sort of mischaracterization of her as somebody who was out on the town. Everybody knew her like living this lavish lifestyle. It's it's true. She lived a decadent lifestyle but it's mostly just because she lived in a hotel but she rarely left that hotel and in the time when i was friends with her i really thought i was her only only friend and aside from the staff in this hotel where she lived so and it's funny people i i've now been accused of social climbing through anna but it's so backwards because iraq did vanity fair have wonderful friends. I loved my job and i feel in hindsight like she was using me to sort of access that world or to see how somebody in that world behaved and it's interesting having read other accounts <hes> aside from your own defense ceremony stories about this case one of the the members of staff at the hotel where she was based made note that she realized afterwards that these lavish tips she was getting from anna was was not because she was being generous. Who's buying that time <hes> because she was lonely yeah i think that's true and i think a lot of of anna's generosity maybe stemmed from the fact that i think she enjoyed being able to be the person who could be generous and she wanted to be liked and i certainly we don't wanna fault somebody for being generous but i think as far as the way she operates in the world. It is fundamentally self-serving. I think even her generosity had to do with its usefulness and you say in the book you ended up even developing bad habits when you're hanging out with her drinking a lot more zipping in a lot more things you still sort of talk about her like she wasn't appealing person to be without a certain point. Yeah i liked her. I was friends with her because i liked her. I wouldn't you know have since been accused of hanging out with her because she paid for things but we ate in the same place every night. That's not fine like i was there because i enjoyed spending time with her. You know i appreciated her. Generosity new york probably much in london as a place where you have friends who have more money than you. You have friends who have less money than you. She made it seem so casual and easy and she was so nonchalant about saying. I got you like i know how much money you make. She actually laughed and you you know in an in an example of me rationalizing her behavior her laughter at my annual salary. I listened i i was kind of bruised and offended and and then i thought about it and it was like well now that you mentioned in i do feel underpaid so i kind of even occur laughter as being supportive. When of course i'm sure it wasn't. I don't even yeah right. It's such an interesting idea because she had this great capacity for being really rude thoughtless but there's this attitude the cheetah's well amongst. I guess it a lot of the people that are now have been reflecting on anna people have met her that that's kind of excusable for the super rich that they're all pops a little bit like that. There are a little bit thoughtless of course they forgot the credit card. Yeah it so not excuses not to take away <hes> but you know it was believable say dot fresher but as you say we could justify that behavior by thinking law she's never had to worry about monthly bills and this is just the way that she cannot break because she has a safety net reading the book with hindsight the irony that became aware of honor of course when the case started and reported stuttered reporting back from what from the courtroom room that i truly struggled throughout to find anything appealing about about hannah but is there anything that you consider think back in back on and think that was actually just a genuine an moment yeah i can and and when i catch myself doing that i have to remind me. It's easy for me to fall back into this place where i feel sorry for her or i i. I think she's going to change and i have to really monitor myself in that way but i really liked. Anna was fine and she was smart. She we had this grand idea for this art foundation that on paper or when she would talk about it actually sounded very impressive and like cool idea. I mean many of those places exist so it's not that unique but she would talk about doing these experiential events where she would pull in an artist to collaborate with chef and then she had a way of describing in the world that made you sit there unless i really just enjoyed that that she wanted to share these things with me and that she i felt like i was someone that she was able able to be close to and i i felt that she isolated herself so i took pride and being like there for her and and being a close friend and so this allen dovy foundation which is the main project that she's talking about. When you came into her life she still saying now even from prison that she still wants to make that place. This is such an unsettling that you wanted to open an investment fund in london so look. She's coming for you. You should definitely trust. Take your money yeah well. She's now been sentence. She's in prison in that. She is going to be deported probably back to germany once. She served her time but it's amazing that still now she's she said by belying if i said i was sorry if y did well it's the thing is i'm not sorry i'd be lying to you and to everyone else and to myself if i said i was already anything but you surprised surprised by the reaction at all but the end of the the trial over you just sort of resigned to that i was surprised by that reaction because it was more self self reflective than i thought she was capable of and it was also the most honest thing i've ever heard her say so you know i think a sociopath is fundamentally unable to feel l. empathy or remorse and profound and meaningful way so i think she's telling the truth when she says that i mean the physical effect on you and this is the thing the i felt most uncomfortable with was having consumed all these stories and articles and features about this very strange case in this strange woman often. I'm different places have been sort of a robin hood figure because they could turn around say oh you know it's a faceless bank that she was trying to take money from whereas of course they were also very much identifiable victims including yourself and the physical effects that you detail in the book from the time when you were trying trying to get this sixty two thousand dollars back from her remarkable panicked texan hair loss and do you think you've lost anything in terms of your ability to see the gooden strangers because that's one thing that you kind of deprive yourself on. Yeah absolutely took a big toll on me at the time <hes> <hes> physically emotionally. I am very lucky to have such solid support systems in place. I have really loving friends and family who kind of pulled me through this and help me. You know regain my balance in terms of whether i'll be able to trust people or we'll continue to look for the good in people absolutely you know. I don't wanna change change that what i've what i've come away with as more self awareness about myself as a trusting person who wants to see the best people and they think now i will be more aware aware of instances where i may find myself rationalizing things again and again and again when people show you who they are believed them so once or twice is fine but i i did it so often and my friendship with anna. I think that's a real takeaway for me is trust your instincts and pay attention and because it's such a fascinating story of because there's been a lot of reactions and interest in the story of course you have got a deal with h._b._o. Currently for your side of the story. A netflix has been pursuing her side of the story and even sent people to the trial to observe what happened in the room in the courtroom ee. It's quite uncomfortable really from the outside the idea that she might somehow benefit from all of this and the attention particularly things like you mentioned the instagram accountant. Don't was documenting the outfits in the courtroom. You know it's everything about her is is surprising and yet so on brand. It's another example of how her convict where you're you're paying your watching her and you're amused by harrier entertained by her. You can't put your finger on what her deal is. She's just so dacia mum and now i see that as one extreme racism and to sort of a distraction techniques so that you pay more attention to her peacocking than you do her crimes yeah yeah because they on instagram account nicole that queen the articles with a quarter the boss you can get t shirts one that says fake german arizona wants as my other shirt will y you thirty thousand dollars this really callous about that. It seems like it's a byproduct of meam culture or modern cynicism but yeah when you read this book. It seems to really cruel. I do think it's insensitive and i you know i understand. She's funny. I understand the appeal. I don't judge anybody for their interest in her a get it but i think it's also important to look at the more nuanced and serious implications of behavior like hers. Can i ask i mean after all this. I kind of still feel like i don't understand why she did it at all because she said that in terms of making money there were easier waist to make money and in terms of attention yes now. She's a lot of attention but she's also opted out of that in certain ways like refusing to testify in the trial. What do you think it was was it just because she thought she could and then she found she. Could i think she really desperately wanted to be a part of this. You know new york fashion fashion our world. I think she was really desperate and driven and went to great lengths to take shortcuts but she wanted in and i don't think she knew how to get there and i i do question. If you were to open the art foundation you know after she gets out of jail if anything would ever feel like enough for her. She said that she wants to wrote. It books one the new one about the time behind bars. Would you ever read anything that she wrote. You know probably not. I think i'm i've you've given so much of my energy and time to this person and your time is really an investment so i think i'm done with anna dovey. Thank you rachel for coming on the podcast. Thank you so much for having me. My friend. Anna by right to delay ch- williams is published by quercus. We'll be back with a look at true crime books after this welcome back my friend. Anna is a rare example of a true chromebook that isn't murder fakest as genre it has been dominated by serial killers and gangsters or lyric paperbacks about terrible crimes that have focused on the perpetrators and never the victims adams but there have been some amazing examples of true crime writing that have stood the test of time and there are many new titles that are showing that true crime writing doesn't have to make suffering entertainment they can be beautifully written and responsibly to jillian flynn the author of go forward for the excellent true crime book. I'll be gone in the dock by michelle mcnamara where where she said i love reading true crime but i've always been aware of the fact that as a rita i'm actively choosing to be a consumer of someone else's tragedy so like any responsible consumer. I tried to be careful in the choices. I make i read only the best writers who had doug id insightful and humane so here are the best of the best alison. How did you get into to crime. I think on someone that has avoided it for a long time because i've been put off by these year at paperback covers and prince reading about some of these dreadful crimes but i couldn't do it because i wanted something to listen to you. When i was running i started listening to podcasts and i didn't really know where to begin so i started with syria because i'd had of it and once i listen to serial addicted addicted to true crime podcast i listen to loads and loads and loads and from that i got into reading it and there's some really great stuff out there. I think the first the first book that i read where the fact of body by alexandria sandra amounts on a less village which is about a harvard law student who's given a case to look at about a child murderer who kills a six year old boy and she starts looking into that but as she does so her own history of abuse in her family comes up to that she's kind of twice a two stories together and i thought it was just beautifully written both the investigation and looking in tehran post cost seems like quite a number of progression these days that people have gotten into true crime through cussing and then they've actually made that leap into reading books as well. Yes clement notes at waterstones told us it's having a bit of a renaissance of the moment and the makeup of the readers are changing. He pins it onto podcast like serio israel and the netflix series making murder and says that the appetite for it is encouraging publishes themselves to publish more and better true crime. He'll scissors is a bit of a an overlap between between medical memoirs is the best selling genre with books by forensic scientists or prison doctors who are kind of overlapping the memoir and true crime areas. We found out the house yesterday <hes> almost double what they were five years ago so about three million books yeah which is amazing. It's really amazing yeah and there's obviously quite a body of true your crime writing out there <hes> from eighty s ninety s older serial killers and that sort of thing and then we've got this new wave of writing. That's happening now. So what are some of the titles that you have. You've come across the use of feel really outstanding as someone who's come to later in trying to read some of the classics of genre a and catch up on on what i've missed because i really enjoy it now so of course in cold blood but also the rule book about ted bundy which strange of assignment which i think is always had quite lurid cover but when i read it so carefully done and she knew ted bundy before he was discovered to be the person who'd be killing all of these women and she so kaffa insensitive. I think about peeling back the layers of of what happened so i found absolutely brilliant. She wrote a new ford to it in two thousand and eight in which she she talks talks about how she wishes she had she had never written it. Even though it basically gave her career she went on to write like twenty-nine other two books but she also writes about how she hopes hopes that in talking about what happened some of these women it gives other women the opportunity to think twice about about doing something dangerous and i think that that's what gives you the trust to follow her where she goes. She's not writing a sensationalist take on this even though she easily could have done it goes back to what gillian flynn says about. He don't want to be a consumer of someone else's this tragedy in the wrong way. I guess i guess there's sort of different strands because people probably have an idea of what true crime is based on what their encounter with his bain and so we were trying to break this down into late this teeny sub genres in genre and so we've got things like the professionals what i'm calling the professionals and so you have people at like a robot kessler who worked at quantico <hes> he wrote this book whoever fights monsters and it sort of basically how he came up with the method of psychologically profiling filing serial killers through interviewing them in prison and then they'll say john douglas he wrote he also worked for the f._b._i. He wrote mindhunter which is massive netflix show and then there's people are angela gallop who's follow recent and she wrote when the dogs don't bark. Can she's a forensic scientist yeah and then you've got the kind of memoir side of things i guess which is i believe the one that i haven't read too much. I think i kind of need that removal. I think of professional originalist rate these and not feel like i'm getting entertainment from someone suffering yeah but last year <hes> the book from the mother of james bolger denise fergus was the best selling true crime book avia. I let him go so the achilleas yeah and some of the the names do stick out and even an rule in the way that she she was a writer and she she was removed from book strange beside me is quite removed when it comes to bundy but she's also so involved in it that he does have that memoir element meant to it yeah and then they say things like jaycee lee doug who people will remember she was held in a basement in california eighteen years and was discovered and and then wrote a book called a stolen my a massive bestseller but it makes me feel queasy to read a book lies how i think it strange because i'll read about serial killers down yeah. It's one step of remove getting from a journalist or an expert gives you. I'm sure yeah and then this on the memoir side. There's also which is how how would have characterized john reedy before getting into it more recently the gangland or prison memoirs the kray brothers type thing which clement from for morton said would have been the bestsellers like five years ago histories of the kray brothers or i guess jack the ripper keep line does is the thing yeah yeah and then clements said it was basically because the audience has become less us blow key <hes>. That's how i've seen. The bestseller lists shift. It has changed a little bit and we were talking about this before. We both felt there. I'll be going in the dock by michelle mcnamara. It was really a game changer in that it was so beautifully written and it was so intensely wrapped up with sit of news events. Excuse <hes> basically michelle mcnamara this book about the golden state killer who was never caught was a serial rapist ended up becoming better as well towards the end of his <hes> a spray but then disappeared and no one ever found out who it was and then michelle was writing spook died very suddenly and then and a man was arrested crimes committed by the golden state killer and she came up with the name didn't she she did and she and she's that's a fascinating thing in that. She decided that he needed to have a name previously that there were names for him but they were they were east area rapist and like there were names unless you know what the east area is no. You don't necessarily really what that relates to and so giving him. The golden state killers really reaffirming. This is the era his working in and he did go people <hes> drew more media attention to the a case because suddenly there was this new title and why is he getting a name now. Oh no one ever caught him and he bought all this attention back then there was actually an arrest and like sadly she she didn't live to see this guy get arrested but her book was regarded as so important fish up name. She does bring something else to it in that. She writes about the victims and she writes about she. Kinda like gillian flynn so she wants she wants humane coverage of these things and she really does humanize all of the people that she's writing about. She doesn't just focus on the killer yeah but that's i think that's certainly something that i have enjoyed in. When i read a true crime book that's really impacted me and i'm thinking particularly somebody's father somebody's john by gordon burn which is about sutcliffe and that was written quite a long time ago but i actually only read it because a couple of officers who were doing the books that made me call him in the guardian review a couple of people mentioned it as the bay had wished i had written <hes> and particularly cow phillips who is on my god. You have to read this book. It's incredible credible and i don't put cara phillips and gordon burn together at all in my head so i was like that's what we had choice and said i went and read it and you totally get wise because he so interested in the community mhm people around sutcliffe as opposed to sutcliffe himself and it's such a fascinating portrait of a community as opposed to completely focused on the killer totally who actually i think that's true about gordon burns about fred and rose west as well which doesn't even get to them for what feels like chapters and chapters is slowly building up these layers of the the the real people who ended up in this house of horrors and it is a very hard book to read but i feel like he's done also responsibly and in depth that you don't i feel appearance or sensationalism better tool which is so important. I think well that's possibly it and that's why it's interesting that possibly true crime is going through this renaissance clements said in that the image of it has slightly changed that people don't feel so much shame for reading it now because there are these examples of these books that are beautifully written and don't dwell too much on violent acts or abusive acts <hes>. I'm sometimes do actually have an effect like the michelle mcnamara book yeah exactly yeah that there is this image change that pat street crimes gotten a little bit clausia yeah even like with reissues like golden <hes> they've both been in reassured by faber and they've got nice a cover now. We're gonna forward by. Denise meaner scary is yes. It's not scary is in this guy seems i used to be a lot of them that perhaps people are buying it more as well not just purely because of their interest because publishes a selling them in a different way. I think so but there's been a kind of shift in general in nonfiction. I think over the last few years in miss wisconsin stranded literary nonfiction that has come out of course the board these memoirs us from barristers and doctors memoirs of grief by for example helen. Macdonald literally agents said to me that they think that people who might have gone for literary fiction in the post are wanting some more authenticity to their stories and so they're going for literary nonfiction subcategories brexit so beautifully written and i wonder if there's a shift for that intrigue crime as well but maybe some people who might have been thrilling days in the past like actually i can some of these books will take me down that same pathway but they're true and they're beautifully written done in a responsible way so there's that move from fiction as well to nonfiction and true crime. We were talking about this earlier this year when we went to london book fair because each year when you get a london book fair you get talking agents in the talking to publishers about what they're buying and it's a really interesting preview into what will be published in the next sort of eighteen months to two years and this year london a boot fair true crime was the was the big thing was yeah there was a really interesting kind of historical true crime that was written by former bookseller about the bender family of serial killers and hamson eighteen seventy three which went as the money in a big auction and there was also a mortuary technician color valentine whose murders and easy to use modern science <hes> to look at the murders and agatha christie's mystery which i can see appealing to a lot of and the agents were saying that they were required poke costing which had driven the interest in the book which then subsequently subsequently driven publishes to find new things which will then drive netflix doing drives onto a document so then if i say <hes> the tricalm is something that you know people are feeling still feel a bit queasy about enrich. It isn't here but the specter of richard starting these but if we were you know people feel richard in there oh it's just this something gross about reading it if they would like three books that you would say like read this and maybe it would change your mind. What would you say in terms of the three the cheese i would say. I'll be going in the dark definite yet. I found absolutely brilliant. I really love the fact of a body as well. They're alexandria mazzone. Let's pitch one that really drew me into the i think and then a more lighthearted one which more of a cape crime really rather than serial killers type thing the feather thief which is is about a twenty two year old american who boggles two hundred nine thousand nine rabbit skins from a museum in harvard share and the author of the fethi kirkwall. It's johnson his he's american he his about on a field trip somewhere other than he spends two years trying to track down the details of why exactly this guy stole all of these is but awfully charming and brilliant. That's okay well if i was she's three i would say somebody's husband. Somebody's son by gordon ben because it was fantastic nick for something a little bit different. I'd say the five highly ruben hold which is quite a recent book only came out this year which is all about the victims of jack the ripper but nothing about jack the ripper which is such dot j. step away from the focus on him and actually highly ribbon she was on the podcast and she spoke about it but she still getting a piece from what we could rip urologists adjusts the people that are obsessed with solving who jack the ripper was who have no interest in his victims whatsoever. They're interested in the mystery of the man and the woman that he killed and she's been so vocal in her criticism of that <hes> and to her book is entirely focused on the victims and their lives and doesn't actually each of the chapters about the the five women women ends when they voted in it doesn't go into the murder at all which is such a fresh change and then for non murder based book because true graham can be no matter. I'm gonna say bad blood by john. Kerry ru. He was a journalist he was working on the thera scandal which people will have seen in the news recently a that is just such a fascinating look at scam artists. Basically it's really really good and missile say several podcasts about t- if you need a gateway put gas to get into through well for something a little bit lighter next week we'll take a look at the canon of english literature and how certain books have achieved classic status in the company of lisa sameday penelope lively carol philips and howard jacobson will look at how the cannon is constantly evolving and where it looks like it will go in the future as a waste you contact us on twitter ah guardian books or leave a comment on the podcast page and as ever please do subscribe and reviews wherever you get your podcasts but for now for me sean kane and me alison flood and our producer ian chambers thanks for listening and goodbye for more great podcasts from the guardian just go to the guardian dot com slash podcasts.

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"This message comes from NPR sponsor, Nevada State museums. The Nevada State railroad museum in Carson city is unveiling a new exhibit this spring in celebration of the one hundred fiftieth anniversary of the transcontinental railroad visit Nevada one fifty railroad dot com for more. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Lakshmi Singh. The Trump administration is taking up a problem that resonates across party lines, huge surprise, medical bills, triggered by out of network hair. NPR Selena Simmons Duffin reports. President Trump held a White House event today calling on congress to act lots of families have stories about this including Dr Paul Davis at his daughter's post op appointment her doctor said this, you know, by the way, I would like to urine specimen fine. She did it a year later the Bill showed up for seventeen thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars NPR and Kaiser health news, I told the story of this test as part of our Bill of the month series Davis. Brought his surprise Bill to the White House event today. President Trump said the story was quote almost not believable. But he's right seventeen thousand eight hundred fifty dollars for urine test. There is BI partisan agreement on this issue and several bills already in the works, Selena Simmons Duffin. NPR news in what the department of Justice says is the first enforcement action of its kind. The United States is taken possession of one of North Korea's largest cargo ships as part of a civil asset forfeiture case. Federal prosecutors say North Korea was using the wise honest who illicitly ship coal two countries. It just China and Russia and to deliver heavy machinery to the north all in violation of US. Sanctions. The president says he's moving an aircraft carrier group to the Persian Gulf because the Iranians were in his words, very threatening NPR's. Michele Keleman reports. At the president says there's always a risk of a military confrontation with Iran, but Trump ads he hopes that doesn't happen. President Trump isn't offering details of the reported threats from Iran telling reporters, quote, we have information, you don't want to know about he says he'd like to negotiate with Iran, but he blames the former secretary of state forgetting in the way, I'd like to see them. Call me, you know, John. Jerry speaks to him a lot John Kerry tells them not to call that's violation of the Logan act, and frankly, he should be prosecuted on that spokesman for Carey says the president is wrong about the facts and about the law, and suggests that Trump focus on solving foreign policy problems instead of political theater. Michelle Kellerman, NPR news, the State Department Chinese and US to go shares are working this hour on trade head of a midnight deadline. That's when the administration is slated to impose higher tariffs on Chinese goods, a divided. Alabama. State Senate is postponing its vote on a measure that would make it a felony to perform an abortion at any stage of pregnancy. State. Legislators Democrats and Republicans objected to the vote after learning that Republicans had stripped a provision from the Bill that would have exempted women who became pregnant as a result of incest or rape. From washington. This is NPR news. The father of one of the girls killed in a civil rights era church. Bombing has died, Chris McNair later became a prominent politician in Birmingham. Alabama NPR's Debbie Elliott reports he died Wednesday at the age of ninety three Crispin Nair's daughter. Denise was one of the four girls killed in the nineteen sixty three Kukoc's clan. Bombing of Birmingham sixteenth street. Baptist church Birmingham mayor Randall would VIN says McNair and his family are forever tied to the country's. Civil rights legacy would been says, McNair, courage and fortitude in the face of tragedy, quote fueled our March for peace McNair was elected to the Alabama legislature in nineteen Seventy-three. Among the state's first African American lawmakers post-reconstruction, he later served on the Jefferson County commission McNair was convicted of bribery in two thousand six and a sewer construction scheme, but was released from prison early because of failing health, Debbie Elliott NPR. News, a German con artists who pose as an heiress and swindle people out of hundreds of thousands of dollars is being ordered to spend four to twelve years behind bars today. A judge sentenced Anna Sorkin for defrauding New York banks hotels and others who ran in Manhattan celebrity circles, the twenty eight year old was convicted last month of grand larceny, and theft of services charges. US stocks are ending the day lower with the Dow Jones industrial average down one hundred thirty nine points or more than half a percent at twenty five thousand eight hundred twenty eight NASDAQ is down a point four percent S and P five hundred down slightly. This is NPR news.

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S3 [12] Instagram Feud Heard Around the World

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S3 [12] Instagram Feud Heard Around the World

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Mation is everywhere every day. The New York Times publishes about two hundred and thirty pieces of original content such as stories graphics. op-eds is in videos in the last decade. This number has risen by more than thirty five percent as of June two thousand nineteen there are over four point four billion Internet users. This is an eighty three percent increase in the number of people using the Internet in just five years every single day there are six hundred eighty two million tweets and over one hundred million instagram posts. So how does one piece of information information become the most talked about item of the day. Imagine if there was a formula for this imagine if it could be bottled and sold this this week I took a break from you know sex cults and such to look into a scandal out of the UK that everyone in the world wondering what really really happened. Theodore Wayne Rooney is a soccer fina. Nothing goalkeeper can do about that. That's vintage Wayne Rooney and share ability. Rooney's deliberate. They got Brian. The Rooney's the record goalscorer for the England national team and for Manchester United. He's also played in three World Cups. Rooney Rooney is married to a main character. Today's story colleen Rooney biking childhood sweetheart in Egypt. Sixteen a very very a young age. Lizzie Cundy a TV personality. She was previously married to soccer player. Jason Cundy and his friends with Colleen Rooney seen them so close together. Clean Chase the press She's one of the most famous footballers she's had a run TV quick but she's he's kind of not wanting to get she's got a little one. You know g try if anything out of the piping. Then there's Jamie Vardi largely considered one one of the top strikers in the world in other words he scores a lot of goals go O.. J. D. Body Varghese married to the other star of today's episode Rebecca. Vardi now becky vall Di Different Lizzy is also friends with Rebecca. She's been on lots of reality. TV shows she's opened on TV screen popping up on debate and she likes to nine lights and there was nothing wrong with that. I can say to give them couches. Rebecca was a former contestant on the reality series. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. She regularly appears on talk. Shows like loose women good morning Britain and this morning. So what do colleen and Rebecca have to do with one. Another other than being the wives of famous soccer players Colleen Rooney had been noticing for for years that someone was leaking photos of hers to The Sun newspaper a British tabloid but these photos were taken by the Paparazzi. Instead instead they were taken directly from Colleen's private instagram. It's worth emphasizing that the stories colleen was posting were only on her private private instagram. Essentially only friends and family had access to see the account or the photos colleen had posted different types of stories more recently. There were the outlandish stories. She had posted like colleen and Wayne going to Mexico to get a controversial gender selection treatment meant for their next child to the more mundane stories. She had posted like the Rooney's families basement being flooded so who is getting a hold of these photos and giving them to the sun. Newspaper Colleen was determined to find out and apparently she did on October ninth. Two two thousand Nineteen Colleen Rooney posted a message on twitter and instagram. That shook England it read for a few years. Now someone someone who I trusted to follow me on. My personal instagram account has been consistently informing the Sun newspaper a British tabloid of my private posts and stories stories. There has been so much information given to them about me. My friends and my family all without my permission or knowledge after a long longtime of trying to figure out who could be for various reasons I had a suspicion to try to improve this. I came up with an idea. I blocked everyone one from viewing instagram. Except one account. Those on my private account must have been wondering why I haven't had stories on there for for a while over the past five months. I have posted a series of false stories to see if they made their way into the Sun newspaper. And you know what they did. The Story About Gender Selection in Mexico the story about returning to TV and then the latest story about the the basement flood in my new house. It's been tough keeping it to myself and not making any comment at all especially when the stories have been leaked however I had two you now. I know for certain which account individual it's come from I have saved and screen shotted all the original stories his which clearly show just one person has viewed them. It's Rebecca Varghese account. Rebecca BECA Vardi. Wayne Rooney's wife. Had just figured out that. It was the wife of one of Wayne's teammates from the England national team that had been taking genie's private posts and secretly giving them to a tabloid if. You're not familiar with instagram. Well first off good free you second to fill you in essentially early on instagram. You can put up. What are called stories on your account? If you'd like you can limit who sees these stories. You can decide who of your friends or followers. I seize them. It seems colleen made it so that only one person Rebekah Vardi could see them and so when these photos made it to the press it. It was only possible that Rebecca was the one leaking the stories. The New York Times said colleen was quote a detective who ran her own sting operation to expose the person who had betrayed details about her family life to one of those tabloids. Vox called it a masterclass class. In scene setting and plot building news outlets blogs youtube channels in Britain all went mad very public rier is broken between the wives of two high profile footballers Wayne ruinous wife Colleen has accused Jamie Valdis Wipe Rebecca of leaking stories from her private instagram account to the Sun. John Newspaper in Happier Times. They were friends in the stands watching their husbands play for England but today these wags went to war on social media. You said Lizzie Cundy. You're like you know one of the greatest inspectors like Colombo in a response back on twitter. Rebecca I said I wish you had called me if you thought this I never speak to anyone of value just as various journalists. Who have asked me over? The years can vouch for if you thought this was happening. You could have told me and I could have changed my passwords to see if it stopped over the years. Various people that access to my Insta- and just just this week. I found I was following people. I didn't know and never have followed myself. I'm not being funny but I don't need the money. What would I gain from MHM selling stories on you I liked you? Allot colleen and I'm so upset that you have chosen to do this especially when I'm heavily pregnant. I'm disgusted that I'm even having to deny this. You should have called me the first time this happened soon. After Rebecca said she had instructed lawyers to do a forensic rennick investigation on her instagram account to see who had access to it and win but there was no turning back. Rebecca never showed evidence instead. It was not her most believe she did this. Because she was jealous of Colleen's popularity and the public sentiment was made clear everyone. Everyone felt bad for Colleen Rooney she had been betrayed. Pallini has become so celebrated for that tweet. I spoke with Charlotte Wilder senior writer writer at sports illustrated and a bit of a twitter feed in her own right. It was like watching a sniper. Take somebody out. There was no room for doubt it was really just masterfully. Astor fleet done in came out of nowhere and she on the news cycle. She created her own news cycle. While the Brits of by and large celebrated colleen's master astor move others have said colleen could have dealt with this differently. It's not like the expression is when they go low. You go lower said Lizzie Cundy. Pricey wouldn't go that way. I think you gotta be careful in this day and age of social media. Because there's little trolling and bullying and I think it can get out of control. But you know what all eight colleen's I hope you off the hook what she felt best to remember. She's had three years of constant stories being leaked to the press and I just think she was sick of it one two while too but for me I wouldn't have done it. Public May I I'd rather just close them of my Christmas card list and why I'm never going to trust them again and that began it. Either way colleen. Rooney's post was the most talked about on social media that day in the world to date. It has on twitter alone. Three hundred eight thousand lakes and fifty six thousand retweets. That's just on twitter. The second most talked about tweet that day was from a reporter who had posted about a conversation she had with the U S Special Forces Soldier. A soldier ashamed that the US was is leaving behind. Its Kurdish allies in an ongoing war in Syria support for what really happened comes from spotify. Love Great News and culture podcasts. Now you can hear what really happened and more of the best investigative stories right where you can listen to everything else on spotify here new episodes of this show and others. You already love or be the first to to discover something brand new with over four hundred and fifty thousand podcasts on topics ranging from true crime to news and politics to pop culture and beyond all for free in one easy spot. Listen free to news and culture podcasts. 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White really happened and get a policy now so so why did this blow up the Internet. The way in which it did. Did it have something to do with it. Being to women going at it in this way where we all salivating over some sort of cat fight. Charlotte Wilder of sports illustrated said. I don't think that this is sort of a cat. Fight or female drama at all. I think this is just really ingenious. Use of the tools at your disposal to find out who is leaking information about your family. I next thought that maybe it was because this was the story about two famous wags. A termite definitely was uncomfortable. I am uncomfortable with WAG stand for wives and girlfriends of professional athlete. oftentimes a soccer player. I found this could be used in quite a sexist way. Although Lizzie who calls herself the Queen of Wags told me to lighten up. I oh I don't think it's a deal Gucci. Tom I find it quite funny in theory I I take it with a pinch. So it's enough. I think to be taken too seriously. uh-huh you're in the wrong guy because but you know they're all lying awake and find it demeaning for me I don. I won't all be only stop living from it. I made a musical act musical from it. I took many football topics. I know inside out I love the game. Live and breathe it. My boys a big Chelsea. Football Club supported. And you know for me. I think he's just a fun Tom. I don't think there's any harm in it and anyone who thinks series. I think you know it's PC commands. I think we've got to take the fun out of life. It's only bigger fun but wakes let me tell you they've made money out but And there's nothing wrong with that war we're of the WAGS was a newspaper headline used across the world. But what this story also shows it seems is the importance of preexisting narratives lives in a day and age when there's so much going on if there is a story about somebody doing something that is in line with what rethink of them it becomes all the more easy to not just believe in the story but indulge in the story. There was already a specific sentiment regarding becky Vardi Vardi Fox media wrote about this war of the wags and found quite a few people who didn't have the nicest things to say about becky. SP nation soccer occur writer. Kim mccully said Becky Vardi has always been shady. It's very obvious she wants to take down. Colleen because colleen has always been the media's his favorite wag who got all the best. TV spots and Becky wants to take her place. Vox added that Becky. In particular is also also widely considered inappropriately fame Hungary. Meanwhile Cali has the perception of wanting to avoid fame. The being married to one of the most famous soccer players in the world since a very young age has pretty much made that impossible. Oddly enough the term WAG came into common use in two thousand six. Partly because of Kali said Lizzie cundy become wag that she made up from the press when when the girls went out for the World Cup involving bothered in Germany the price made up that time why it was created by the press. The well went crazy for them. Let me tell you it was like to retook. Come to town if we want to see. What Victoria Beckham Clean Rooney OV- ago? What they were wearing what they were doing they were shopping? They really became the new Hollywood. And so this was interesting argument between two famous soccer stars wives. It was an argument in which the personality traits. We already believed they had were on full display and it was easy to understand. One was clearly the protagonist the other clearly the antagonists and it came to life on a platform. We all either us or are familiar with instagram. But there's also another reason and that has to do with sports when I spoke with Charlotte Wilder. She reminded me why sports are unique unique in a Dan lineage. When everything seems staged? I've always loved sports because I think that they are the greatest reality show we have. I think there's something kind anew. Incredible about how no matter what the matchup is. Something will always surprise you. Even if it's you know Patriots jets and you know that the pads are probably are we gonNA beat the jets by a whole lot. There's still something that's going to surprise you about how they do it. Or maybe there'll be some wild upset but there's absolutely no way anyone anyone can spoil for you. What will happen in a sports game before it happens and I think there's something really cool about that especially in a world where everything feels so immediately accessible to have some kind of mystery still out there in in mass entertainment and when it comes to social media players in this day and age have more or less managed to maintain control of their narrative? I mean I think especially recently. Athletes have just become absolute masters of their own public relations. I think a lot of them have really smart people in their corner. But I think a lot of these guys you know. They're pretty young for the most part and they've grown up with the Internet. They're very very savvy when it comes to what you share in what you don't share knowing that when you share something if you're a huge public figure people are GonNa see it. People are going to pick it up you know the NBA. A is a great example of this because athletes are constantly using social media to plant stories or further a narrative that they want or start drama in a way that will impact their career in insertive force teams are ownerships hand or influence fans in a certain way and I just. I think it's really really impressive. How these women men are able to manipulate fans in the public? Not In in sort of the negative connotation manipulate usually has but but really just command news cycle with like one poster one instagram comment even or one like like social media has become this incredibly powerful tool that athletes can use to kind of take back some control of the conversation that was historically a reserve just for the media but then there are circumstances in which a player or their family do not have control of the narrative like photos being leaked to the press and that is something Colleen Rooney wouldn't let happen so when a story like this breaks through and Colleen Runi just absolutely bodies another woman on the Internet by saying like. I know that you've been leaking. And it Kinda comes out of nowhere the reality show of that the the circus surrounding these athletes in selling the you know you kind of think as purely sports mirrors the play on the field it becomes this very. You can't can't look away. There's a well known story from Sherlock Holmes. It goes like this homes and his assistant and friend Watson or on a camping trip in the middle of the night homes. Wakes up and gives Dr Watson Nudge Watson he says look up in the sky and tell me what you see. I see millions of stars homes says Watson and what do you conclude from that Watson Watson thinks for a moment well he says astronomically it tells me that there are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets astrologically. I observed that Saturn is in Leo horror logically. I deduce at the time is approximately a quarter past three meteorologically. I suspect that we will have a beautiful day tomorrow. Theologically I see that God is all powerful and we are small and insignificant What does it tell you? Holmes Watson you idiot someone on has stolen our tent. This anecdote reminded me of what brought me to this episode in the first place how to certain stories. Become the talk of the town or in this case the talk of England and even the world how do we break down the nuances. The layers the patterns the formula of what makes a story go global. Well maybe we should resist pulling a doctor Watson maybe like Sherlock did by simply noticing that the tent was missing. We need to keep it simple. So First Colleen's investigative tactics were original. You can't make it up. Second the story. He has main characters that the general public tend to be infatuated with celebrities and professional athletes. Third a main feature of the story includes one of the most popular social media APPs in the world one that millions use every day instagram. Four thin last and there is some heart and substance involved part of the story after all despite how silly it may seem is about the protection of family and questions thousands of privacy so even though once colleen Rooney outed Rebecca Lardy. There was never much of a mystery as to who was releasing her instagram photos. Does the world still couldn't get enough. They wanted to hear over and over again. What really happened next week? What really happened? We'll take a break for Thanksgiving giving you a chance to fill up. That is courtesy. Kersey of Terence the producer on all of this season's episodes and then starting in two weeks a slew of new episodes to round out the year including the Malaysian airlines. This crash the shooting of David Ortiz and the Dominican Republic and the story of Anna Sorkin. That's coming up on. What really happened? If you like the podcast I humbly ask you to subscribe rate and review. It actually can make a big difference for any other feedback. You can reach out to me on twitter. INSTAGRAM FACEBOOK AD Andrew Jenks or go to jinx pod dot com for more information on the sources for this podcast.

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Mueller's Moment

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Mueller's Moment

"It's Wednesday July twenty fourth. He'll speak in his own words but will he use more than two of them. Who Start here at long? Last Robert Muller comes to Capitol Hill. They're preparing for him to answer a lot of these questions with yes yes or no answers. Democrats and Republicans have their game plans but so does he we will break down all of them meet Britain's new leader from slumbering giant. We're going to Rise Ping off the guy rapes of self dot. We'll take you to London where the Boris Johnson era is is about to begin and there's no crime to embellish your family history but this fake arested a lot more than that. The whole bell is being charged to my parents how much sixty two thousand dollars why millennials flocked to her and why companies trusted her from A._B._C. A._B._C.. News this is start here Brad Milkey. Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using in an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot com slash start here. Look back for a second and think about the biggest hearings on Capitol Hill since President Trump took office. My impression was something big is about to happen. I need to remember number every single word that is spoken F._B._I.. Director James Comey was a shock to the system. Michael Cohen was the witness flip of the century. He is a racist. He's a con man and he is a cheat sheet. You think about other Catharsis of these moments will neither of these guys had the widespread trust of the American people. Neither of them had completed a concentrated probe of the administration will demand speaking today on Capitol. Hill has both of those things all eyes will soon be Robert Muller testifying before the American people but Cohen Botha them preview that they would take a blow torch to the trump White House. They told you exactly how they felt. Since Robert Muller began and ended his probe into Russian election meddling the former special counsel has gone out of his way to leave his feelings out of this beyond these few remarks it is important that the offices written work speak for itself so today here's where you're going to see you're going to have members of both the House Intelligence Committee and A. and the House Judiciary Committee each lawmaker gets five minutes to ask more questions one Democrat one Republican back and forth this will go upwards of five hours so the question is what will mother say that he did not already right down on paper and in where will that leave us at the end of the day. We've got A._B._C.'s chief legal analyst. Dan Abrahams here as well as A._B._C.'s Katherine faulders. Who's been tracking this in Washington Catherine? You're in the halls of the capitol. Now what are lawmakers expecting is still look. We've talked to lawmakers and band AIDS on both sides Democrats and Republicans in there already downplaying expectations for this Brad. They don't expect Muller to go out of the four corners of the report. He is a reticent witness. Even under the best of circumstances he will be even more reticent. They're preparing for him to answer these questions with yes or no answers so they're really preparing on how they frame. Their questions is a big focus and they're also having all sorts of mock hearings they had mock hearings yesterday and actually it's interesting a lawyer lawyer from each of the committees playing Robert Muller so they definitely are preparing for this. They know how high the stakes are especially for Democrats who have said that he's their star witness. Will Dan Abrahams in a perfect world. What would you be asking well? It depends which inside your on so if if you're Democrat I think you want to use Robert Muller's answers to weave together a story about what happened because if you actually read through the Muller report there are sections there where where he refers to the president engaging in efforts to use undue influence on law enforcement and then he tells you exactly how but it's done in this way. Play where it's sort of piecemeal and it's a little hard to put it together and from Democrats perspective. I think you want to set it up. So Muller can almost restate what is in the report but you WANNA put together in a way so that it becomes even more linear and if you're the Republicans just the opposite which is I think the Republicans are probably going to do a lot of talking and then follow it with a yes or no answer from Muller. <hes> things like you investigated this in part and you investigate. Did you find there was a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the Russians dan are there yes or no questions. Democrats can ask them alert that they would actually still get them where they're trying to go sure for sure but what they want but they're going to do that by citing the report did it. You reports say this Mr Muller yes it did yes yes yes so in the report. You know you say X Y and Z I do stand by that I do and so you you believe that Blah Blah Blah et Cetera et Cetera et Cetera. Yes I do so so right there. They can tell the story from the report and that's the key for Democrats and I think the key Republicans is going to be to basically say it's time to move on that. The investigation is done and that there's nothing new President Catherine from the capital perspective. There's been a faction of Democrats who have been pushing for impeachment for a long time. Muller is a big part of this strategy. Do they think today's testimony gets them of closer to impeachment. Yes this is interesting. It's split based on who you talk to. What what Democrats you talk to so I think now the whip count of House Democrats who support a beginning impeachment proceedings is over ninety and a lot of Democrats say look we you want to wait and hear from lower here what he says before weighing in on on the subject but other Democrats we talked to say yeah this? This could be the beginning Congress debate things and we vote on them. I don't think it's the right time to have a vote on impeachment. We don't have all the facts yet but I think what's important here is that the messaging has changed a little bit Brad. We've heard from Democrats. We need to hear from Muller. We want to hear from me and then maybe we can move on now Democrats. I talked to say this is just the beginning. This is just the beginning of more to come more subpoenas into this Russia instigation. I want to learn about why they didn't tell the court. Did you actually explore the dossier but I think the other thing to look for Brad from Republicans is word that I've heard so much. Is there going to cross examine muller. The danger for Republicans is that they go beyond just questions about the stricken page emails beyond questions about how the investigation started and they start with the personal attacks on mullet totally conflicted because as you know he wanted to be the F._B._i.. Director said now as you know. I had a business dispute with him after he left the F._B._I.. We had a business dispute. The president has been attacking Muller personally. He's been saying in essence. He's corrupt. He's biased. He's been out to get me and I think it's dangerous dangerous business if the Republicans start with this nonsense about Robert Muller wanting the F._B._i.. Job about there being some conflict over his golf club. I mean those really are non starters so that's to me one thing I'm really going to be watching for which is do they go there. In a study yesterday actually from Pew Research that showed in the aftermath of the report the Attorney General's pre buttle the fallout all that more than half of Republicans do think Robert Muller. He's a straight shooter did handle this fairly damned catherine picks lot. Thanks man thank you. I give notice verse. Johnston is elected as the leader of the conservative just a little bit. Theresa May is GonNa Walk into parliament and face her final questions as British prime minister from then she will head to Buckingham Buckingham Palace and give Queen Elizabeth resignation then Boris Johnson Shaggy blond hair and all will walk in himself. He will tell the Queen he's won the confidence of the biggest party in Britain. She will ask him to form a government like some slumbering giant reggae to Reisen as an paying off the guy rapes of self a negative when he walks out of that building he will officially be the dog that caught the car. This guy who's been running around for years loudly telling leaders they are doing it. All wrong will Boris Johnson has gotten what he wants. He's is about to be in charge and A._B._C.. Senior foreign correspondent Ian Panel is in London. Ian Boris Leaves Buckingham Palace. What does he do next he had US rice is one of those things be careful? What you wishful? He gets the job he gets the house guests title however he also gets exactly the same problems the brought down to resume and it's very simply one word brexit take personal responsibility for what is happening to our country for the drift and the dither and the indecision the failure to beat sufficiently robust in the negotiations which we've seen so far Britain's decision to leave the European Union is a political and trade union with the rest of Europe. The trumbull is one of the terms and conditions that you can't just say okay. I'm leaving living because Britain does need deals with Europe. It's on its doorstep to reason they did cut the deal. The trouble is parliament rejected three times for his Johnson says he can get a new deal from Europe Europe saying no way we're not renegotiating and that is is the problem he inherits as well as a deeply divided Britain I can I will be advocating <hes> leave or whatever the team is. You know I think you as you Americans invented the phrase you you break it you own it well. I Johnson broke and he owns it. I mean the truth is I think Britain probably needed someone who was part of the brexit campaign to lead the Conservative Party but now he's going to have to make good on it now. What he said is a deadline at the moment is October thirty first coincidentally Halloween? How many jokes are ought to be nuts if they don't agree a deal then they will be so called hard brexit which for many people is a whole raft of nightmare scenarios all these things about goods services people all of that comes to a grinding halt WanNa know Brexit is the ball gain here in but it can we just set that aside just for a moment because Boris Johnson really does not become the face of a country? That's so important so many ways does the national identity change under him to policies change under him like what does this look like. I I think the truth is that Britain has been evolving much like America. Has We now have a populous leading the country and the thing is some sense. This is almost the logical conclusion of the direction in which Britain is going in other words. Boris Johnson is as much much a reflection of web brush is at the moment the other thing I think we should look out for is another golden period in the relationship between the prime minister and the president possibly the warmest since it's been since Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher Etats Story Sam Golden One said is wonderful. It's magnificent. It's prolific so to Mr President have been the Reagan yes and that was good for Britain relationship with the U._S.. Now as Britain leaves this trade union with Europe it desperately needs someone to do a deal with and number one on that list is America. I think for US respecting it out. I like Boris. I Johnson I always have he's a different kind of a guy but they say I'm a different kind of a guy to we get along well. I think the first balls are called is but to see is Boris Johnson appearing on T._v.. Screen and a radio station you and talking about. The importance of the trade deal and relationship with America at the special relationship so important so many ways even going back to the Iraq war for instance Ian Panel on a new day in Britain. Thanks so much he thanks Brad you start here. Deportation rules are growing stricter. There's this one snag. The deportations aren't happening. Technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering your options. 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A. dot com slash start here capterra software selection and simplified however you feel about the five rhetoric the priorities of the trump administration when it comes to immigration yesterday we learned a cold hard fact act that the number of deportations under president trump is still less than the number of deportations at this point under President Obama News shoot and yet of the volume and all these his ratcheted up to the point where ordinary citizens on both sides of the political divide are getting involved themselves and sometimes inserting themselves between immigrants and agents with badges WanNa go to A._B._C.'s Serena Marshall who covers there's immigration Serena. How contentious is this getting Brad? Citizens are taking personal responsibility for their neighbors when it comes to immigration issues look up a sandal in fact a recent case in Nashville neighbors formed a human chain gene linked arms to block ice officials ice agents from taking away a father who's lived in a U._S.. For the last fourteen years father during his children were trying to get out of the van they blocked agent who had followed them from approaching the van and then they were making sure that they had gas and food and then trying to form a human chain to let the father and his children get out of the van and enter their home United Rascasse Buddhist up front the sports are you near are literal scenes like that plane out across the country that is not signed by joke woman. I'M GONNA be in front of the guy and you can't ak but why because we talked about the numbers right. President trump promised millions of deportations ice who's going to target two thousand families. We've seen thirty five arrests. So is the outrage just about rhetoric or is it about about policies that are convincing people. These immigrants are being treated differently yeah Brad. This is par for the course of the trump administration. They're rolling out whole series of policies that really go to the heart of the immigrant community. Most recently homeland security started expediting deportations rotations for emigrants who can't prove they've been in the country for two years and this is different because expedited removal have been in effect for years in fact is a policy of the Department of Homeland Security but previously it would mostly only apply to those of entered. Entered the U._S.. By land in our arrested within one hundred miles of the border during the first fourteen days after their arrival. This change expands that rapid removal to anyone who can't prove they've been in the country for two years and Brad. What's really interesting about this is unlike previous deportations? These expedited removal cz are not required to go through a judge so you have these immigrant activist groups saying they have less due process and somebody going through traffic court their deportation now solely upped individuals within the Department of Homeland Security and let me tell people showing more and more frustration with these immigration enforcement officials filming them eat an inserting themselves when they think of deportation is about to go down Serena. Thanks for the expertise. Thank you brad in many ways. There's nothing new about scams people being built out of their money for centuries and yet the way scam it's carried out can tell you a lot about the place space and time where it's happening well this week. We're learning more about an alleged scam that seems tailor-made for the glitzy or WanNa be Glitzy Manhattan social scene and now a young woman has come forward to explain how she was taken in by what she thought was a globetrotting socialite who came from a European money now known to the world as the Soho Heiress A._B._C.'s Deborah Roberts has been tracking this and so debra this this goes back a few years. It goes back several years in fact Anna Delve is the name that she used when she came to New York and she met this this young woman Rachel Williams in about two thousand sixteen. What were your first impressions? She weighs slightly off. Be She had curious mannerisms. She was sort of in the party scene at the different clubs nightclubs and things like that and this young woman was sort of intriguing. She was a lot of fun she sort of slink through life almost like she kind of own things. If somebody held the door she breezed through without looking at them and I'd find myself saying sorry thank you wearing expensive tracksuits in casual pants not really playing the part of you know a a well dressed celebrity but that was kind of part of her. IMO was so glad to have this person who was available and seemed really excited to be my friend so they they have this friendship and there's sort of back and forth north but then they become tight then she proposes that they go to Marrakech a place that Rachel had never been and Anna Delhvi offers to pay for everything. I had seen pictures of her in different places on her instagram programs so I believed that this was then her realm of normality like that this was something she had done in the past Rachel use water this is kind of cool and everything is great a big villa seventy five hundred dollars a night. It's all lavish in great but along the way the hotel managers keep tapping on their door tapping on his shoulder. Where's your credit card and that's when things start to unravel? Rachel realizes that Anna doesn't have a working credit eddie card but again. She's not completely sure that there's anything amiss here. She just thinks that this guy was very disorganized. Traveling internationally decline she's she's just a spoiled rich girl who just can't get our act together so Rachel offers sort of reluctantly we to put her credit cards on the line as a whole when I land I got a text message that the whole bill is being charged to my parts how much sixty two thousand dollars sixty two thousand dollars more than she made in one year. So Rachel was beginning to freak out the more she pressed and the more she called the more she texted the more of a run around she started to get oh. My assistant is going to be in touch. I'm going to wire the money. Oh didn't you get it yet. Oh here's the number this went on for weeks. What is going on on for you internally? It was starting to eat at me. I am made with my rent and late with my credit card payments. It takes a while but she eventually goes to police police kinda indicate. They can't help you gave your credit cards willingly on. I don't know you're out of the country. Entry. I don't know that I can do anything so then she goes to the Manhattan D._A.. And that's when it all begins to explode. She realizes that Anna Delhvi is actually Anna Sorkin and that the District Attorney's office has been tracking her and has been following and has a case pending against her and she goes to work to try to help the D._A.. Solve this case and help find Anna who at the time was in California she was arrested and then suddenly charged not only with <hes> fraud in this case but for a larger case of fraud involving banks and hotels I mean this woman had stayed in luxury hotels and she stayed for weeks at a time didn't put down a credit card. <hes> took a flight on a private jet <hes> under the guise of going to see Warren in buffet at his one of his big meetings didn't pay for the plane. How does that happen? I asked Rachel. How does this happen and she said to me? She's a young white woman. Why do you think she was able to sort of walk into rooms uh-huh and and be rude to people just sort of do what she wanted to some degree probably because she's a young white female <hes> but also a lot of it had to do with her specific charm white privilege that nobody nobody seemed to really think much about it because she's in her twenties? She seemed to be <hes> competent <hes> she was not threatening. It was the ultimate white young woman privilege when you look back on it. Should you have known better. I I think I I wanted to see the good. I think it's also important to see reality into understand what's right in front of you. Trust your gut trust. You get really to storylines here. You got the companies these corporations looking at this young woman going yes. She seems like she's good for it. She passes and A. and you've got this young woman in her twenties. Thinking this is my chance to hang out with the person who lives the lifestyle me and my peers fantasize about it. Just think it would be tough to blow up that trip and say now get your own credit card. I'm Outta here Deborah. It's fascinating stuff. Thanks for stopping by a pleasure molesting. It's been nearly eighteen years and yet yesterday. Some of the first responders from nine eleven said they could finally breathe a huge sigh of relief ninety seven the nays are two the bill is passed the Senate after hemming and hauling and hold ups overwhelmingly passed a bill it will permanently fund care for first responders and survivors these brave men and women who have suffered unbelievably will not have to come here again again right there alongside those firefighters and police officers and family members was Jon Stewart who fought to push this through as I think we can all agree. I'm the real hero for him for everyone involved. This was bittersweet. You might remember Luis Alvarez. He he sat next to Stuart last month on Capitol Hill giving his testimony also said you would never forget well. I'm here to make sure that you don't Alvarez spent three months sifting through toxic rubble in lower Manhattan he did not live to see this bill pass passing this legislation. There's no joy there's no comfort as on the steps of Congress his fellow responder John Field said he will not forget senators like Rand Paul delayed late this bill's passage but he says at long last thousands of his brothers and sisters will get what they need for as long as it takes supporter. Remember not just pure politics all the time wheel moments on Capitol Hill affecting regular the people across the country every day have everything you need to know about Robert Muller's testimony today hit subscribe to have start here waiting for you in the morning throughout the day you can hit A._B._C.. News Dot Com with A._B._C. News App. I'm Brad Milkey Big Day tomorrow.

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Who's There: Rita Wilson & Pete Buttegeig?

"You will. They wanna know. To lift fame. It woke up to who weekly the puck us real. And everything you need to know about the celebrities. You don't Bobby finger. I'm Lindsey Weber, and we're not going to talk about this on the show. But I wanted to read it since you just text it to me fake heiress. Anna Sorkin has another fashion meltdown in court. And then this is the New York Post wanna be socialite, Anna Sorkin broke down in court Wednesday, and they're their leaders. This is beyond diva VO and organ through yet, another fashion hissy fit Wednesday, again, refusing to enter court because the clothes she was given or not up to her standards. They're quote, I told you previously. We were not holding up the style anymore over your fashion. Justice Dianne Kiesel reprimanded Sorek twenty eight when the alleged Griff Dermer Chd from the holding cell wearing wrinkled white button down in slacks. I've had a jury here since nine thirty this morning. This is unacceptable and inappropriate. This is not a fashion show. She looks good. Honestly, then they went to lake they went to. It's like a she. She looks incredible. It's a secret. Goal. It's chic Rico. It's a very intentional wrinkle. I look at that. And I say like, oh is that, you know, spring summer twenty nineteen fashion to have a wrinkle. I dunno. I mean, she's got to use these somehow these outfits, right? Like, you know, she she has them. I apparently she has them. What's going to happen with her go to jail? Yeah. Definitely yesterday. Also, did you see the footage of Lori and Felicity and during court and Lori was like signing autographs. Oh, yeah. And she was like, hey, guys. Like, hey, guys. Hey pals, so offensive. Yeah. Beaming ear to ear at least at least Felicity Huffman had the self respect to like go grocery shopping stone-faced like when she went out in public. She did not smile smile. How dare you? Thank your fans. I think she may be had like a Felice on very relatable said pay. Mike's pay my to wish in law. Did you hear that? If I were at the court hearing for Laurie Laughlin, Lori lock Glenn. I definitely would've yelled pay my tuition Queen. Long. Oh my God. What did you read the rumor that that I don't know that I buy one word of this? But that William H Macy has been spotted on rye. Whoa. Where did that come from? Well, even on gossip cop. It's according to life and sell the couple's marriage on the rocks amid the fallout from the controversy and bizarre twist. The magazines has Huffman somehow discovered that her husband was using celebrity dating app Araya and lead to a major battle between the spouses of more than twenty years. But like was he spotted on Ryan. I mean who knows who knows who told me this. It was like, oh, it was Katri. Of course. Of course. It was Kate. There's just like trouble in paradise for any number of reasons. So things are not looking great for with the last time things with great for the up, and I feel like her her mugs were on sale before the college admissions. With the monks you in the mugs. Do you want? Do you think about like what happened to the mugs? Like, what's what's going on at H? What's going up with the flick HQ? I'm telling you, it's the end of raiders of the lost ark. It's like the guy is rolling in. One final palette of unsold mugs crane shot showing the rest of the flicker warehouse fill to beryllium with unsold. Like, I'm a cool. I'm I'm good enough. Mom, everybody quick. But there's like two interns that like weren't getting paid. Anyways, we were trying to figure out what to do. We need college credit. The irony what flick? Momentum. What's the battle circle like to go where they can't wait could say fuck rack. Yeah. It's like the Felicity Huffman version of frac. Yeah. He's lying bracket. Right. I don't give a frac. It's to shoot silence of the Franken sky. No, Franken Ueli. Felicity and William are yelling at each other. You're on flick Araya right now flicking looking riot. Oh. If I fling come into this looking house, and I find you flick. You mother flicker. How many times I have to tell you have to drink out flicking flick modes whenever you have coffee in the morning, we've flicking need to move on. This is getting flicking ridiculous. It's getting. Pig is longtime first time, I'm so happy. We're still talking about Elizabeth filbert's because she wrote the worst description of a penis that has ever been sent into the universe and her novel the signature about things we were treated to this gym. He had genitalia perfectly adequate and even impressive genitalia. She allowed herself to observe with care. This lovely appendage on his tail waving see creature which floated between his legs, and it's that's what and private. Hated this book so much. I want to throw it into the sea. And I'm happy to share it with you. Now. I'm not I don't know. I mean to me that sounds like maybe the best description of a penis that I've ever heard, and I feel like she's still a brilliant writer. So I don't know what to tell you caller. They mean, this caller wanted us that this was bad. But actually, I think it's great. Yeah. Beautiful. I mean, she's she's my conic writer, one of the English language is like most legendary masters of prose. I don't know. It's perfect one of our finest talents, which floated between his legs in its thatch of wet and private for Acura when private for is actually accurate. But in private for deserves a fucking EMMY. And I know it's on a TV show up deserve Pulitzer private for wet and in. As ING Elizabeth Gilbert, Mike five it when private eye conic writer conic like sexuality warrior. I love we have to move. So I just listened to you is the we calling. You guys talk about peak spending keep that in failing. How like kind of a weird tearing, and I have this theory. I wanna run by you guys. Kate beckons L as a show on Amazon prime. It's called like the widower something like that. I don't know. I don't know anything about it. I don't know anyone who's watch it. So I'm thinking maybe like this whole relationship is maybe for publicity to try and get people to watch for show because every time there in the news. It's like nothing scandalous, but something kinda like low like when they were making out at that hockey game. And I mean who knows you know, could be real and good for them. It's so it's just kind of interesting because every time I go on the first shows that comes up. So the interesting to revise thoughts on that. Is Kate conceal actually in love with Davidson's wet and private for or is this just split. He's. Five. I it for I think everything's saying use of hard for me to see theory. Not I would like the timing. This premiered March first hockey game was March third. The timing makes sense. Or game stuff. No. Is it working? No. So it's like if it's suppose that he's it's not an effective what? Because I to get told by Amazon to watch the widow every time I opened up Amazon prime like the video app, and I've never even I've never even thought it. I've seen it one million times. And it's never given me the impulse to actually look what it is. You know, he needed a comeback to or like a rebound moment as well. And team we needed publicity. It does make sense for both of them to do it. But I almost think that it's they're both hot and funny in that makes more sense to me in for me. If like, an autumn's razor, what's the most likely situation? And I think it's this you I think that she's probably like secretly like this a good gig for me like this is a good. This is helping me in many ways and him saying, oh, this is helping me in many ways. Sure. But like, I don't know if I believe this fully, I don't know either. Because she there is precedent. Locked. She does date younger men like it's not it's. It's not out of character for her to date like younger, who's just look at the guy that she dated before Pete who was like run, you know. But I just before we move on. I wanna read what the premise because I had no idea the series follows Georgia wells back and sale. The widow whose husband whose husband will died in a plane crash on a trip to Africa three years after Will's death. She saw a man resembling. Her husband at a new story reporting, civil unrest in the Democratic Republic of Congo suspecting that everything is not what it seems wells travels to shut to uncover the truth. She starts to look for answers, particularly concerned with the reason why husband she believes faked his own death. It's like what if the Livia Newton John and her ex who allegedly victims that were written by like, John lecarr? Look, John Le Carre all the John moment. It's actually ho Larry's at that hasn't been mentioned more widely because it just proves that no one is talking about this show and xactly. That's why could say this is literally not work what she needs to do is pull a Macy gray. And just like where? Close and blazoned with the widow pro on that when she's it's also just funny that she's out with Pete and would be promoting show called the widow. I mean, this culture is not ready for content about widows widows flopped this show, flopped presumably, yeah, it's true. Where are the widows widows just bursting with light creative? Intrigue the creative possibilities. It's all good shit. But what does culture care cultures here in? I don't know. It's misogyny probably prob. What is next in Bobby? I was hoping we could take a moment just to pay respects to nipsy house. It's been really hard week for a lot of us. Yeah. Just want to say that. Monday, we could a little sad. So that's one of the reasons why we didn't really talk about it. But this rapper slash kind of everything. He owned a store he had like businesses. He basically did everything this kind of multi hyphen guy named nipsy hustle. He was a gun down at his own store in California in Los Angeles. And it's just like really sad. And I kind of I guess he was nominated for best rap at the Grammys this year two thousand nineteen he is from Crenshaw. And that's where he opened his store. And that's where he mostly hang out. And he was like a big deal not neighborhood. I mean, he we kind of left and came back to his hometown. So that was like a huge deal. And he meant a lot to a lot of people. And so when he was killed people were really kinda shook it is really sad. The caught the main suspect it's a guy named Eric Holder. I don't know like what we what we say about this. It's really sad nipsy and nipsy dated Lauren London. That's gonna say. How I knew about nipsy was through Lauren London. London. Lauren London, whose an actress you sedate little Wayne? She has kids little Wayne. And then she was in that really good movie AT L member that from back back in the day. She played new everyone that she was going to blow up, and then she didn't blow up, but like she definitely did find a now she's on the game, which is a BT show anymore. But. A couple years. He went out again over the big game with the big big big big big big big hit. She wasn't on at the whole time. But she was on the ladder. And that the game. I'll I news from because I fought her Instagram on the who weekly account so we were like following her. So she appear and I notice Oshii stating that this rapper who had also heard of nipsy hustle. But like did it no really anything else about that? So it's just like really sad his clothing line. It's called marathon. That's where he was murdered at his store, which sucks, and so it was kind of this like street wear brand. He said I was reading some interviews with him yesterday. And he was like he had very high hopes for the street wear brand, which is pretty successful. And he was like I want it to be like urban San Rio, which is a really interesting comparison. Like, that's a cool thing to do. Just like excessive will stylish sort of stuff like the price points were very easily accessible for just normal. People may think he's just one of those people that like you didn't realize what such a big thing and a lot. And when he died, so many notable people famous. People pseudo famous Bulwer like devastated. It was just like, oh, this was a person that I really looked up to and really had fond feelings for and who just one of those things where it sucks when you don't realize like you've never heard of someone until they die. You're like. Oh, jeez. Like, you know, I I feel bad about this. There was also a very I feel like when people especially like in the age of the internet would people die when famous people died those this. Desire by a lot of people to like be like, well, you have to you have to mention their problematic step as well. Like, how do you balance bringing up like things that they did wrong, which just like the fact that we have to be respectful over this person who died so I've been seeing a lot of that with him in particular like talking about like his past like, homophobic statements, and like sort of like people are trying to deal with that in a way that I think is a little more thoughtful than usual here like sixty from being like. To like being like, well, like is there a way that we can like figure out how a person's life can be split up until like different segments in which they like giant learn things or like change or anything like this would have happened with anyone like it would have happened with any celebrity, but the way that it's happening now, I think is represented like continued evolution of the way that we cover famous people who have died, and I don't know you can see like people trying to grapple with like, how do I report this? And it's kind of everywhere like when you Google when you his death. It's like nipsy hills, murder, homophobia, and the toxic black masculinity fuels it. But then it's like equal weight with like nipsy hills philanthropy to become part of congressional record. Like if people are trying to contend with all the stuff, something we're going to see different things to different people, and we are in an era where like people's public lives are long. You know, if you are public well-documented time your like your mistakes are implied. And we need to decide whether we're going to like hold things against people. Even if they like make it conscious effort to grow and change. And learn I don't know it depends on how you feel about the severity of the statement slash each situation. Like, some things are truly unforgivable in some things. Maybe aren't you know, God, let's move on. Over you guys talked about the fact who. Blossoming actress. But so who the head of this fire for a sex adultery handle? Can you just talk about this for a little bit? Good for those on this is like a month ago. I would say because we've been like sort of like waffling over whether or not we should even cover it and Lindsey vary. Rightly was like, we should wait until like more stuff happens because all these things sort of unfurl at a pace, we've grown to recognize unlike like anticipate, and this one sort of began with the story about you know, powerful Hollywood man his name is Kevin Suda HARA. And he's this guy who worked at what what company Warner Warner. And so he there was this young actress Inc deal deal. There was this young actress named Charlotte. Kirk basically, the low the short version of this is that Charlotte and Kevin or in the sexual relationship and Kevin was promised at Dame met via via breath. Who Charlotte is like, my friend, my friend, who cares James Packer. He's just my friend. Like fuck you guys that we're just rent. Oh. The funny thing about this is that it's like I'd never heard of Kevin even though he's a little CEO border brothers. But for everyone else on this drapes. Kevin hacker, Mike carries ex billionaire husband Juliane say and fucking Brett Ratner who's always involved when something is weird and honking Brett Ratner and flicking James pecker, so Charlotte Kirk and Kevin like have a sexual relationship and apparently while they're engage in the sexual relationship. He's like oh. By the way, I'm going to set up some meetings with like my pals and Hollywood and try to get some roles so the sexual relationship we'll to give him credit, which we should give him any credit. But who cares? But she saying, hey, are you gonna hook me up with some auditions, hey, are you gonna get me some roles like she is she's kind of implying slash directly asking because we have all these messages. Hey, like, you know, you said you would get me a role you said you would get me on dish in and he's kind of like, Cher sh. But think about how far the CEO is from actual lasting. You know? That's like that's actually one of those things where if you fuck the president you can't necessarily get a job because the president sometimes isn't even involved with the data the awkward phone calls. This guy has to make our awkward emails. I know she gets a couple roles. She gets the horrible decoder Johnson rebels movie. How to be single she gets a role in oceans eight which like don't forget oceans eight was like five years ago. You know, like oceans eight was foam so long before it came out. So she gets a role in all these things but not much else and she's pretty disappointed by it. So what happened people have known about this for some time or suspected that sutra HARA was like involved in this relationship with this woman, and sort of like, maybe gauging like a quid pro quo sort of stuff. And so according to this Hollywood reporter story, it says the issue arose again in September twenty eight an anonymous letter to someone at Warner media raised a series of explosive questions about whether a top one of others executive had promised speaking roles to an actress, I. Defied only a CK in exchange for her silence. So then they retained a law firm to investigate it. They found no evidence of misconduct. But then these people got the texts so the tech sort of proved that the relationship did exist. Ultimately, what's funny is that these techs are texts that are on her phone, but their photos of Tex not screen shots of tax. So there's a lot go. That's why I'm saying like who is the text leaker. You know since then Kevin has been forced to resign fired. He's no longer there and the time he resented timing of all of this was before he was about to get this like huge promotion and have even more power. So all of this has very like someone who knew what was going on leap this at the right moment. Like the right moment to sort of torpedo his career. So after this Charlotte Kirk has been interviewed by all these people are like what happened like like? Are you a victim here? Like was this nonconsensual, and she's like, no, absolutely not. And she's like don't your James Packer and Brett Ratner to this. They weren't involved. They're just my friends. Yes. Brett Ratner gave me some some additions. But like who cares? He's my friend, James Packer, just my friend. Kevin. He was just my friend. I'm not a victim of law. So she says in this story on deadline, despite the tabloid Tida, Kevin Sahara, actress Charlotte, Kurt wants a chance to be judged by her onscreen work. And so she's doing a full on press tour right now being like, I'm me. I'm talented actress like do not connect me with these terrible men like I'm my own person, which is sort of like good for her for taking control this narrative. But it is it's a different version of the story that we're very used to this point. And that's why it's sort of interesting. But it's also like we have her text messages, and we can see the other side of the story not to beat not to give her her narrative, obviously, she can do whatever she wants. But it is funny. Read these tax and be like, okay. Well, you also were literally like kind of being like where am I rolls? It's like, you know, we're being. Told by a powerful man that you could maybe get some career boosts. If you continue this relationship sword, you were asking directly for such I wouldn't even being implying that, but I literally am reading these tax being like, okay. Well, like, she is asking also was really funny as this long Hollywood reporter statement, which is very good ends with this can I just really end so far Kirk has not appeared in a millennium film. She has however start as Nicole Brown Simpson. In an as yet released film called Nicole and OJ which shot in so feeble, Gary were learner the studio with many crew members who are regulars on the money and movies. But as but a company spokesperson says Nicola, no Jay is non of Lenny and project. It is not clear who provided the financing one press reports that the film's budget was sick. Nor is it known what movie has distributor to take it to marketplace. The film was directed by Joshua Newton who is said to have a personal relationship with Kirk and as listed a few previous credits. It's kirks biggest role to date and Newton responding to queries from the Hollywood reporter several months ago postulates that the football star played by Boris Kodjo was framed in the infamous double murder Newton promise movie would be a revelation Kirk is quote, a dedicated actress who takes her craft really seriously, he said, adding that when his films released she will be one of the most sought after actresses on the puck start in a movie about how Jay was I I'm telling you, which nobody can figure out its finance which is sauce, and then nobody knows who's shooting it equal. They spent sixty five million dollars making this movie. I'm gonna read a line from her statement to deadline that came out just a few days ago or a couple of weeks ago. And it says these articles referred to events from six years ago back in twenty thirteen I was differ. Person. Then I was nineteen years old newly arrived in LA, possibly larrikin and definitely very naive. I have made some poor choices. I'm sorry for that. But I've learned from my mistakes since then and have grown a lot as a person woman, and as a professional actor, and then I then way shoot it's great as these latest. Rumors running the hell boy movie there nonsensical Neil saw. My addition and believed I was the best actor for the role. Simple. As that the character of Alice was written as a twenty six year old eastern girl was strawberry, blonde hair. Netted that's me in a nutshell. I love it. I've grown in change. And then goes on to say like, exactly. I mean, it's it's take on a story that has at this point tales all this time. Right. That's what it's so interesting. It's like how do we in two thousand nineteen even have a story like this? It's like me to meets like old Hollywood casting, couch culture. It's like, how do we even? We're don't even to respond to this. We're like let her say her piece, we respect that. But also these taxes, they're funny. They're hilarious. But also like fire the Batman in this in this particular story. It's like it's not as dark because Charlotte is claiming all this agency that doesn't necessarily exist on the woman side of the story usually in these stories where it's like they're like dumped on so hard and they're taking advantage of. And she's like, I'm not taking advantage of do not say that about me. I'm completely in control of my own life. Will she was completely in control of this whole situation? It just happened to be something that got him to resign because it was not great. For the you know, the company he worked in, but those are two questions here. It's whether he acted inappropriately with his company and his job and with this woman and clearly the job was. Yeah. Let's defend this, dude. These these guys suck all these executive on good Hollywood Charlie park is a Phoenix rising from the good Hollywood executive passed out. That's it. She's the only one who's good. Why are you? What are you doing me? Why are you like Estonia sent from my Sony experience? Like, she's a company woman, of course, using sonar you where are you? It's funny. Imagining myself if I were like if I if I were an actor like very proudly moving to LA and being like, I will only accept meetings with Amy PASCAL because all of the men are terrible. And just being like, they're like, mommy. We can't go meeting with the has gone. It's like, well, I'm giving up on Hollywood. Nope. Not gonna happen. We all saw her taking up that Spiderman universe or whatever. Spiderman Spidey verse or whatever. Oscar everybody was like is that Amy Amy Amy, and it was Amy Amy rose from the ashes know emails can do Amy in. She's good. She's fine, sweetie. She's fine. We know flicking scandal in my fucking career. You kidding me? It looking at my flick and career. You you flickers get out of my flick and career I'm doing just fine. I love the only the worst thing. It'd be Paschal ever did was like yell at someone. It's true. That's so true. It's like Amy did nothing wrong for like good at her job. Got. I wish I were. I wish I were as good at my job as any PASCAL is at her job made the best marvel movie best marvel movie, there's no better marble. There's no she made it all by herself. She played every. Mating on her on her, computer. Like somehow, he's ventured game media. I was like I'm gonna make this book and movie on my ipad pro. Yeah. You wonder why all the enemy styles were different? It's because Amy was growing and changing shoes progressing animation skills to circle this back Charlotte Charlotte, Kirk get a meeting with Amy PASCAL. You'll be fine. It's true. It's two. She'll just yell. You. Worth worse. You get yelled at really hilarious at the moment that Nicole movie comes out her career is over. It's not gonna come out that is not gonna out a terrible story. But you know, what is a good story. Those story of my quip toothbrush that I have sitting in my bathroom right now. 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That's your first refill pack for free G E T Q IP dot com slash who Highland being body medium pry time. I just 'cause I just saw that Rita Wilson got a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. And first of all, I know you might have done this before. But we else thin who were then. And Secondly, just having a star on the holidays, walk of fame automatically make you a them. Okay. Crunch crunch gets one belt on by Rita Wilson. Who were them? I think she's thinks she's who I think in her mind. She's the number one them. I think in Tom Hanks's mine. I think everyone around her really feeds into her delusions her like, wonderful delusions. But I think that read 'em again Rita Wilson is one of my favorite Hollywood stars. I'd like actually adore her and think that she's genuinely an in exuberant positive and well liked person by like everyone seriously. I do I do like her. It does seem like everyone likes her because she's in everything, but she always plays the exact same character, which is completely fine. She knows her niece, and she sticks. She's the French girl. Got there by girl. I'm gonna go pick the kids up from the from the from the playground. I gotta go. But you've got this girl the conic friend since like sleeps in Seattle like literally. And that's she. So she's plays. She's obviously been acting since she was acting before then. But I think like the first role that she had. His it's like a kid. She was in sleepless in Seattle as the friend, Susie. And she was that person. And she has been that person since nineteen Ninety-three up until Gloria bell until worry about when she is that person yet again, she and Tom have play tone, which production company, and they've produced a lot of really successful films and a few of which which Tom describes in his speech at her walk of fame. They produce my big fat Greek wedding, which was enormous gave Neo Dallas a free pass for life. They produce mommy, which is one of the highest grossing movies of all time like the UK, mommy here we go again. And they produced my big fat Greek wedding to which flopped, but like play tone did well and a according play tone did. Well, I love about play towns. Hit play tones hair redesign. These are two things where Rita went to some small show. That's very cheesy in Hawley deep Hollywood as you may know, the theater in Hollywood, not so great, but read a one. To see a one woman show, my big fat Greek wedding and read a went to see mommy of the musical. And she decided that both things would make great movies, and she went home. And she said, Tom these would make great movies because Tom is a good husband and understanding husband. He was like sure Reid, do whatever the fuck you want. And she did. And that's how they were hitting mega hits like huge among this mega. I walked out of mommy of musical like, I hated that freakin musical, and I love those movies. So, you know, apparently, I'm fully off. Grossing all time at the UK box office. It's the best selling DVD of all time in Sweden. It made thirty million dollars on DVD the day it came out, and that's because Reno Wilson has some questionable taste my big Frank wedding us five million dollars to make it made over three hundred sixty eight million dollars. It's like unbelievable. It is among quote quoting with Bedia. It is among the most profitable movies of all time with a sixty one thousand sorry, sixty one hundred percent return on its investment. Like any investment was was mainly Rita being like read a check for Neo our friend Mia, and they did. And you know, what that's Rita? But Rida also read it as sort of like. The the ideal celebrity spouse or slumpy partner in that. Yeah. The spouse the really relieve Amos went on their sort of like second tier in that. She doesn't really aspire to be like Hugh to choose. She hires to be exactly what she is. And so there's like comfort in her level of fame that really is like, very sweet and seems very happy. So like, she's happy being the big character. She doesn't really want to be a lead. But you know, what she does to she wants to produce movies. And you know, what she does she produces movies today, which when she wants to play wants to wants to be a country star. And that's exactly when she was like tire steps at fort, my decision to be a singer, and she and Thomas absolutely hunting. I support your decision to do whatever you want to do. And so she's like, okay. Hey, I'm like us my connections on my friends to like make a few albums will you promote them like come to the shows. And he's like absolutely Honey like KEA singing, do whatever you wanna do. She gets breast cancer. She becomes like a breast cancer warrior like. Survive are like sharing her story. Then you know, she comes back. She makes another album, and then Tom do he promotes his on his socials? Like, it's it's sweet, no. I mean, I honestly think that what's. So there's a thin line. And this is like where a lot of nuance comes in between a famous person, a famous actor who has a music career because of a certain because of wanting more because of feeling like they deserve it because of all these things, and then something that what Reid is doing which is like I just have appeal. I just have a hobby. I have enough money to support said hop and do it to its extent. And that's why it's like to me. It's like light a light hearted happy situation in which I see other celebrities who do this type of thing. And I'm like, oh that's enough like stop. But for Rita feels truly to me offensive like, she's not a great singer. But she's obviously doing something she loves so much, and it's a lot of hard work like she's like opening for the band, SHA. Kaga which is what Tom says in his walk of fame. Like, she's not like, yes, she paid to get the Suta. Yes, she paid for all of this stuff. But like she's out there on the road. Putting in the hours to to play of this is going to come across as drag to read. And I really don't mean it that way. But it like it is the it's the peak version, it's the rich version of what everyone in this country. Does like it's like the peak version of everyone's like just using their free time to like kind of invest in their hobbies. But it's like when Rita at us and her hobbies like things that she's early great at like, she's not a great singer. She's not a great songwriter. But she has the money to do it in a big way. And it's like wouldn't all of us love to really invest in our hobbies to the like I like, that's what this. I always say like if I were super rich and money like a fully didn't matter. I would go to culinary like I would. I would I would literally just learn how to cook. And I wouldn't be great at it. I wouldn't work at a restaurant, but I would just want to go do that. And like, that's what Reid is doing. But with singing, no, you know, what you would do if you were read she would go to culinary school Mun open your own restaurant because you weren't because you had so much money. And you just didn't know what to do. I would open a restaurant. It wouldn't be great. My friends would go. It'd be like girl like congrats on opening your restaurant, and and it will be so bad. But my friends would support me they would talk about it on Instagram, and they'd be like out our boy bobby's like new restaurant like come here for like, whatever we excuse me. Can I just say mimi's is very good? We caught. That's what I'm that. Is not what I'm saying. I love me. Are you kidding my birthday, bobby's mobbing diner? Woody. Mad rash? And I, but I would be rich. And so my friends would be like I would go there. Bobby? I would demand free food. No, you wouldn't. I would give it to you rich like the restaurant would operate in like the extreme red like blood rhino the year read soon, so you could open this. Five years after you graduate on that's a good comparison to read is doing like, it's very pure. It's like it's coming from this really genuine passion of hers. And so to answer your question does having a Hollywood star on the walk of fame means that you're you're them. No. And that's an extension of what we were saying why Hollywood stars are bought day are bought they are really just you are investing in that. As this sort of city landmark what you're paying for. Is you have to get signatures? You have to get approval from the committee shore just look up the stars. That don't have a star on the Hollywood walk of fame. And you will realize that there is it is not about whether famous or not for Rita. I think why she wanted this. And I can guess is that she grew up right near the Hollywood walk of fame. She grew up in that area. She's from Hollywood literally born and raised in Hollywood and to her. This is a really important cultural thing for her. You know, like this is like her hometown. It's like getting a walk of fame on the San Antonio city hall stone, just what you aspire to the river walk that doesn't exist. But sure, but what I'm saying is like when you wanna sort on the walk of fame, you do have to actually be famous. That's true. But you like I couldn't just go in with all the money in the world and say give me a star on the walk of fame because I'm not actually famous, but when you do that what you're really paying for is like you get us on the walk of fame. So that they can maintain the Walker fame as a tourist trap. You know, like you're paying for maintenance you're paying for like the installation and the actual star. But you're also paying to keep everything else. Looking nice like it's sort of an investment in the community and a weird rich person. It's totally it's like adapt. It's like Dopp ding a highway we've done this we've done this. And the walk of fame is almost always tied to a promo. So even Tom Hanks in his speech at the thing, which I'll play here he's like. And also like I love my wife so much like, she's amazing. Like, no one's more I- conic in Hollywood. What if going legend he's like her new album came out today? But then she said she had more music in her heart and in her head. Songs that needed to be written and recorded and perform she made two more records of her original material created with other find songwriters and musicians. And since then Rita Wilson has performed all over the country. She is opened on tour for the band, Chicago. Yes. That chicago. She performed on the stage of the legendary grand ole Opry. Did you know that today Friday, she is releasing dropping her fourth CD, titled halfway to home? Available in record stores Amazon. Well, she is. Lizzy before you want. I wanted to ask you didn't ask you. What would your passion project? Be. If you had all the money in the world like I would open terrible restaurant. What would you do? Oh, my what would it be? I mean, what a angel, but that would actually be well, my friend gab. And I always joke about how we want to open a karaoke yacht like on the Hudson, which is like it's a. Like a character farther audible to get on the vote to care looking. Well, no, I would I would wanna open literally like a coffee shop or like a space. Like, I also feel like it'd be really fun to open to open some sort of like like multi use space that served literally had I always respect the spaces that have no purpose that are just people's obviously they just wanted to space. It's like we do everything we do this. We do open mic. We do karaoke. Like wanna you know? That's what I would want. Go not a restaurant. You wouldn't record a record an album or anything. Oh, no. I'm not. I know I'm not I know good covers album. No, I would not want record a covers. Well, if I was rich though, I would have a different vibe like maybe I would feel like that. I. And it's just like your carry go. I don't know. Maybe I would like maybe go to like stand up school. Learn how to do stand up. I'm always wanted to like finish learning. Sign language that I started like, maybe I would go like do that. I don't know. There's so many dumb things that you would want to do if you could definitely I would definitely try to learn a language and like learn piano, piano. Yeah. Relearn? For a long time. And then I was like I don't wanna do this anymore. Metoo seven years, and I took French for that long to and look what happened nothing the thing about readable. So that I love the most is that just looking at her like gives me very chill like she makes me very calm. Yeah. She's your personal call map. Wow. Are we segue into an ad right now? I think this sounds like an app for the coma where if you don't have access to read a Wilson, then maybe you have access to the com app because stress is a worldwide epidemic everyone's working longer hours. No one has time to watch all the Rita Wilson movies. I understand that fully because she's only in some of she's in some of a lot of movies. You gotta find her skim to her figure that out watch her part find the next part, it's difficult, and you how your biz and that's why we're partnering with calm, which was the number one apt help reduce rings, -iety and stress and help you sleep better more than forty million people around the world have downloaded it. So if you had to call them dot com slash who get twenty five percent off. Tom premium subscription, which includes guided meditations on issues, like anxiety stress and focus including a brand new meditation each day. They're also sleep stories which are bedtime stories for doors which are bedtime stories for adult. I love those designed to be relax head to the magic lavender fields of southern France. With Stephen Fry that sounds fun. It does that sound fun to you. It sounds fun or explore the moonlit jungles of Africa would Leona Lewis. That sounds fun. I wanna I wanna. I want to jump of Africa. Jungles? Is that the Justin mckearney right that too? Okay. They even have sued pan war and right now who weekly listeners get twenty five percent off a calm premium subscription at calm dot com slash who that AL dot com slash who you can get unlimited access to all of coms content today at com dot com slash high cly first time medium time. I have a political who question about p. Jj bootees. Don't know how you say. It think he is a mayor of south bend, Indiana Twitter. Love him. He's like speaks Arabic. And as a Afghani veteran and has a husband tasing, I would love to. Thanks, get one Bill. As I said before there's only one white guy here, there's not three this is not America. But this is not. But when we see a very who we person enter the politics ring, we sometimes just get involved. We have to get go. We got we gotta talk about him. Here's why here's gay number one number two names. Insane. Name is crazy number three went to Harvard. But once when he was there wrote an essay about loving, Dave mailings guy. This guy is participating in extreme of the work up. He is everything. Are we adore him? How anyone honestly never. I'm not endorsing him. I don't know his politics. I haven't gone that far. But when I'm telling you is that he went to Harvard. He's a Rhode scholar. He went to the war in Afghanistan. He is gay. Don't know he likes the album JoAnne by lady Gaga. But you know, what? From all this information. I would say he probably does not have enough time to I I I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he has not listened to JoAnne by lady Gaga. He speaks. Norwegian Spanish Italian moan. Language. I never even heard of Arabic is reading the Wikipedia. He and Flynn the mayor of south bend, Indiana. Whereas that no idea because I'm not going to geography he was born in nineteen eighty-two which makes him fairly young for presidential candidate. His name is only labels. Labels, be UT. I I e g no how do you say that? How do you say? But gig, judge Buddhist. Some people say I think he and his husband who have like a really sort of irritating stupid Twitter relationship into like me me me me me and my husband. They both have pronunciation rules on their Twitter. Byles one of them says, of course to judge the other one says boot edge edge Buddha, judge Buddha judge. So which one is it just like say one of them like sort of like booting is funny because it makes me of Chris L where it's like, well, we we named our our last name because we met a boot we love Buddha, and we judge or Buddha, and we are friends with this judge. We're going to call him. Never forget shell is Justin Hartley wife who's also on that show net. Flicks is selling sunset, and she who's named after a gas station attendant Antica station. Her name is Sherry don't forget. How could you ever get that? But like he's so Buddha. Judge do we even know any of his political views? Are we going to get there? Let's just say that that's your job to look. Not. That was the most earnest I've ever muttered. Well, earlier we were talking about Pete, Peter Peter Paul Buddha. Judge we were just like should we talk about him? Like, I literally no nothing about him. All I know is that he's gay because that was like what the media was talked like all I know we're like headlines that I saw, you know, because slate wrote that like really truly piece it was kind of like does gay count as diverse or something. Right. And I was like what he wrote a book called shortest way home. I'm sorry me trying to figure out how to spell. Your name is like the longest way home. I this is such a nightmare judge. If you want to be on our podcast, just come on the puck has asked people to us as we gonna talk about JoAnne. Oh my God. If he came on the podcast, we'd be like your last name, man, you should change it. He's like, you know, what you're right. I will. Let's see let's see some of his stances. Let's he seems like a very he seems like a Leslie. Nope. Type figure to me knowing nothing about him. I'm like, well, like the mayor of like a random town who's like very accomplished and seems like very type aid. Oh, one of his young age. He has a one I dog this guy. So basically his stance would have to kill all Jews for me not to like him. As what I'm saying? So vote. He backs the green new deal tight. He. Okay tight. He proposed a gradual shift to a single payer healthcare system. Hell love ya. Love it. Love it love Medicare for a while. Okay. Support that young dodged questions on abortions. Red blood red blood, right? Thank you take off to change. He blocked a change in his own law. That would have allowed a crisis pregnancy center sakes. Oh, people seem to like him, whatever. Like, this is us talking about politics. I dare why you don't want this. This is why you listen to three white men talk about politics as opposed to us talking about not that we give you the option to listen to us talking about politics because when we do it comes out like this. Anyway, he loves St. Matthews band. And let's move onto the next goal. Allen coming of who or conform Bella Thorne who were them one two three. Then Allen cupping I think so big fan. But also, I think so in general have you been to clip coming? I have not I haven't I would like to go. I don't really care. Club. Coming seems fun. Okay. Fine. I get it. Can I tell the story about Al coming really quickly friend of mine? Was his personal assistant very very very, very briefly. What's so funny about which is funny, and she got fired because she crashed his car, she grabbed his car the first weekend. She says person. The car in the first month, and then like they really didn't get along. But the my favorite thing about the way. The my favorite thing about the way that the relationship ended was. He she didn't like put out his trash one day or something and he called her and was like, yeah. Like, the trash is not on the stoop like you need to do that. So she goes back as apartment, and like gets all the recycling me was recycling, but she goes outside, and she's holding all these bags and she's walking down the stoop holding his trash bags. He approaches and he gets home to and he goes, you know, what? I don't think this is working out. And she the rue the bags down. It goes. I don't either that's out the job and her friend is a legend. She's a legend. She's a true legend Harvey agree longtime, I friend. I'm lacking the good fight, and is Michael sheen who or them like quite Demi, the prestige who I don't know let me know from those are two three them. You just called him. Michael. Maybe he is a who has name is confusing. I think we've done it before and I called him them. But now, I'm like, I don't know. Michael's love him. His his name's confusing. Charlie Sheen is more famous and he's not related to Charlie. She's not even that sheen. Also that sheen that she has like fake. He's an he's in steps over yet. No, the whole thing is step is. Yeah. Martin sheen is not Mark smartness devas. Let's just let's just call him a who highlands involved. He is nougat a who. Or is that? One one two three toed. What total hill. What new get is the cheap filling when there's nothing else to fill. What is name candy bar, which nougat is the star. And don't they knickers could is not starve three musketeers. And no one likes those. It's nice star three months. No, you're wrong. New. It's literally the star alternate skipped. Here's is chocolate and new that's not a good one. It's a good one. That's good ones. You told me to name a candy that has again. Nougat just bills the gaps that are left by more expensive ingredients like caramel and peanuts and chocolate nougat is like the filler. No, it's not new starting. What is what is your who of candy filling? I mean, I think nougat is. Nougat in so many candy bars knew that still a who in those candy bars. It's the guest star. It's the reader or you call the candy. Are you calling three Muskateers who candy bar? I mean. Yeah, for sure it's them Katie want. It's one of the main ones just because we always thought about it. They're not value judgment. Just because you do not like them. I'll eat I'll eat three months. You see when I ate more candy. Do you know how easy musketeers? This is disgusting. I would bite all of the chocolate off the outside and leave my little nougat thing that just the new get on its own. It's good that you don't eat candy anymore. Rose truly is I let eating like the peels like the outer layer. And then eating the side. I still eat candy, and I never eat three musketeers so good. No. No. Day nigga who knew we're going to have to agree to disagree here. This is the rare fight looking them hash hash like new get them. If you knew Goodhue in fills, the foles don't add that won't help our gods. I think I know the answer to this question, but I wanted to control professionals. I was wondering is Garber who or as thank you so much good form. Three. Who do I get a I guess who he's easing? You'll always. Director. Yeah. Cared. Every time. You see him? You'll say oh that guy. Oh, Mr Andrews. Oh, Elliot's like he's in a million things. Titanic exactly around Reuss. She's going to she's going to sink. What did he say? When she say when he when she encounters him in that sideways sitting room and he's on at the clock. It's kinda like it's kinda like off. It's like everyone's like picnic. Coffees kind. His clog is looking at the clock at his clock. He's looking up and down. And he's like rose. I can't do the accent rose ship. Think can you put the clip here for sure? Think. In an hour or so. All this will be the buffet. What? Totally who you must. I don't want to be responsible for panic and get to a vote quickly. Don't wait. It really is like a it's the best movie ever made. M I wrong. It's the best movie of may stop just with. We went to the next. One lindsay. Is it the best movie made no one now, I'm not? But it's not that. Pretty fucking can't really you can't there is a doesn't exist. A better movie doesn't not the best movie ever made Titanic is on the were next next. Call Herman Electra who are them. Good form. Thorne who were them one two three. Then. What name is name recognition. Like a me of the nineties Cleveland, ask a teen. Okay. That's fair. I'm like she's kind of a mean, though, if this were thousand ninety nine should be a who. CBS asked on. She's a who. You're right. You're right. You're got high longtime listener full schools are not eighteen right, but Gina shot as she a who are that one two three hill. Yeah. For sure. But like cooking who on the rise salt fat acid who I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Love you love your love your book. Love your show. Like, no one's more charming than you your body. I bought it. How you weekly rainn Wilson who were them one two three who? But once was of them was of that office was of them. They try to make him like his tried to they tried to make them, you know, exist post office, and it didn't take din take didn't take high degree. I just wanted to let you know that in the latest carpool karaoke P series, then flat and server are together. And I just like to know spend flat is a. Cool or is them. I know he's a brother to buy them. Regular for some. Possibly not sure. One two three who who come on. But them theater them, though, spirit theater them real world who real. Real. Like actual theater to them. He's he's no Lin Manuel Miranda. He's he's Evan Hansen. Right. Just listeners he's waving through a window. Can I play the Katie braver? That's the only reason I know that. I know that song is because of commercials for that musical and Katy Perry's cover, which I honestly love that's in Barrasso. That's almost as embarrassing as your. I the way I eat three musketeers. Always. Bobby? Long time, I shower and I had run out. She act you are Chris Tucker at Decky Chan where dollars. One two three who I kind of feel like Chris Tucker still has like very them e like too long, but I would love to them. Yeah. I think I think we've actually talked about this not in the game. But like Chris Tucker, I feel like as could easily come back and get into them stat easily. I agree. So do you think rush hour the next rush hour that they're doing will help they really making another one? I thought they were. That's why this person called. No, no. This person was like, I'm watching rush hour rush hour Jackie Chan one-two-three them them entrepreneurs. One hundred percent. No, no. Bruce, tucker. It's been too long. Chris Tucker had a moment for a long time. But he really just kind of disappeared really purposefully purposely disappeared. I think. Good for him. He got what he wanted. And then finally high guy is quick question for you monkey Jesus who are them one two three. Internet them. It's a main. So it's it's a who. But it's an iconic. Definitely it's no Mona Lisa. But it's a who. I mean, it's up there. It's up there. It's. Of looking at it again. Just like incredible. Do we all know, what do we all know the story of? So there was this like fresco in a minimum Spain, and it's like one hundred years old, and this is like Jesus like with crown-of-thorns looking up like mournfully being like, and then, and I guess it was like it needed to be restored. It was a quote good faith attempt to restore the fresco by an untrained elderly amateur name Cecilio human as so she got bless her heart. She did her best. But it looks like a monkey Jesus. And you've seen him. If you go. Jeez. I feel I don't know we called that monkey Jesus. I thought we just called it like fucked up internet Jesus. But I'm fine with that yet. But now now the great thing about it is people come and see it all the time. Now, it's tourist now a tour, of course, of course, it is. Where is it is it somewhere? Spain what part of Spain. I gotta go to Spain. Northern spain. Oh, great. Okay. Finally, go. I'll be there. See Jesus, I've I've gone further for less. Fair. That's good. Thank you listening. Call us at six nine who them if you have any questions comments concerns? Supporters patreoNcom Sasha weekly falls on Facebook Instagram Twitter review us on apple podcasts. People love those things. 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"You're listening to the globalist. First broadcast on the tenth of may two thousand nineteen on monocle twenty four the globalist and association with UBS. Hello and welcome. This is the globalist coming to you live from the jury house in London. I'm tigon, right? And coming up today as Europe warrants against issuing ultimatums what next for these standoff between Iran and its old foes, and then raising terrorism as tech companies try to limit online propaganda. We consider whether it must be kept to ensure its creators are brought to Justice, and then the coffee king who would be president. But as Howard shelters biz to swap flat whites for the White House run out of steam shelters. Last public appearance was a visit to Arizona late last month events in Dallas, and San Francisco were recently cancelled. And he's presence on social media has dulled to Bailey a window. We'll also hear from Venice Biennale a and Barcelona's Primavera sound plus newspapers and business news too. That's all ahead right here on the globalist live from London. Thanks for being with us today. I'm tigon wise. The time is ten thirty one and Tehran where we start today's program with the alarming and unnerving developments of recent days under pressure from a domestic audience furious at the economic impact of the US imposing sanctions once again having walked away from the multilateral nuclear deal, president Hassan Ruhani gave an ultimatum to its other signatories that it would stop enrich stars enriching uranium in breach of the treaty. If they didn't take steps to defend around against the new sanctions or for its part. The e you said, it would not react to any ultimatums brussel said it regretted Washington's sanctions, but that its members would live up to the commitments made in the deal, and it hoped Iran would do likewise. Join in between lies is San Vicario. An adjunct professor of Middle Eastern studies at the John Hopkins University of Europe, welcome to the program. Sanam? Do you get the sense that we're witnessing the beginning of the end of the? Nuclear deal here. It does feel that way. Really? Because it's hard to imagine what the Europeans and the Russians in Chinese are effectively going to do in the next sixty days to provide Iran with the economic guarantees that it was promised to to remain in the nuclear deal. They haven't been able to really provide meaningful economic investment in Iran over the past year since it's been a year since President Trump withdrew from the nuclear agreement. So accelerating the pressure in sixty days, I can't imagine they're going to be able to meet that either are the trying. I mean, if you go by what federal Como Carini out to say, it was you know, this. We're not going to do anything other than live up to our commitments. But it was kind of a public pronouncement in the background. Are they trying to you know, lessen the impact of these sanctions? Well, they are trying. I don't want to by any means suggests. That they are not they do believe in this deal. They've worked very hard to get to the deal. And preserving it has a lot of symbolic importance also for multilateral ISM as alongside the preservation of non-proliferation throughout the world and in the region, but there's not much that they can do in economic terms to challenge the United States doing so would put their central banks in peril because they would then be subject to US sanctions. They can't compel private companies to invest in Iran, and no company that is widely exposed and has US business is going to invest in Iran because that would jeopardize their relationship with the United States, and and the US is proving to be quite steadfast in its. Application of sanctions and threats are actually proving to be quite true. So there is nothing that they can do besides stepping up the diplomatic effort. And I think that if the remaining signatories the P four plus one now as they're called tried to relaunch diplomacy to save the deal, they could convince Tehran that they could try and solve some of the problems and challenges within nuclear agreement, can you give us a flavor of some of the economic pressure that has gone under is under us home of whether his recent moves has strategy is lucky to to protect him. I suppose the time being. I don't think it's a question of protecting him per se. The whole economy is in a very vulnerable position. Iran is. Under pressure because all foreign companies have big foreign companies have. Have left the country. The president of the United States has not renewed oil waivers, which is a portion of Iran's exports, not solely the only source of Iran's exports in revenue and. GDP growth has been predicted to go down significantly. So they are under recessionary trends inflation is going up significantly. This is putting massive pressure on the ordinary decisions of and choices that Iranians have to make for their day to day livelihood. The government is, you know, probably got the strength to survive this. But under what cost and of course, it's going to deeply impact the lives and the psychology of ordinary Iranians were really looking for something else for integration for economic growth for for normalcy. Quite frankly, is there any prospect as you see I mean of reopening, the nuclear dealer reopening, the negotiations clearly all those involved aside for the United States in in putting this to paper and doing the hard work to negotiated want to preserve us. That's. Snuff the US's objective. They won't to reopen. This is there any prospect of that happening. And I do think there is a prospect. It's just President Trump has said very publicly even two days ago that my goal is to talk to the Iranians and the Iranians now are perhaps head hedging waiting to see what the remaining signatories of the deal will do. I don't think that Iran right now is making a calculation to talk directly to President Trump. And they definitely don't want to do it from a position of weakness. So perhaps there moves and there are threats to kick start uranium-enrichment are designed to obtain a bit more leverage and come back to the negotiating table from a position of strength. But I would add that basically, the strategy of Europe and of Iran has been to wait. Until twenty twenty to see what the outcome of the next US, president presidential election will be Iran doesn't want to negotiate with potentially one term president. And I think that for some conservative members reruns political establishment negotiating with with President Trump is personal this administration has been quite aggressive in their rhetoric against Iran. And so obviously from their perspective, it would be it would be more. They believe that maybe working with the democ a democrat a new starting on a new slate at could be to their advantage in something they could sell inside. It's quote, a while to waste though and foil, President Trump faces troubles on his own domestic scene. He could quite easily use an international structure. And I I want to get your thoughts on a rather provocative headline. I read about this story. It was a think piece as it were. But this think piece on the question if the US. And around could be headed for war that is provocative. I think we have to be a bit careful. Everyone has maybe becoming a bit hysterical. I don't think that the Iranians or the United States is heading directly to war. And why do I not think that well, the US president has campaigned and been very clear that the US is trying to disengage militarily in the Middle East. So this would be against one of his campaign promises. And he's about to enter into another campaign. He likes to demonstrate accountability, the Iranians also don't have military, symmetry and know that they wouldn't be able to survive at conventional war with the United States. So. The problem here is that esscalation in many of the different theaters where both Iran in the United States, operate quite closely with that could be Iraq that could be in the Persian Gulf that could be with forces in Syria that could be over the Yemen war. There could be some sort of escalation, and so the increase in rhetoric that we're hearing with president a secretary of state Pompeo saying if one single American gets injured, we're going to take that as provocation is to really send strong signals to Iran, be careful don't do anything. Silly in order to again expand your leverage in this period. So I think the the very heavy language where hearing in the precedent in immediate statements are because of that, okay? Okay. Thank you very much for joining us with your thoughts. Here's what else we're keeping an eye on on today's globalist. The United States has started to apply a twenty five percent tariff on two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese imports after failing to agree a trade deal with China it more than doubles the rate of ten percent which had been in place. China's says is deeply regrets the move and that will take necessary counter. North Korea has fired what appears to be too short range missiles in its second such test in less than a week. There's tensions between Pyongyang and Washington re escalate after President Donald Trump walked out of peace talks, the US also said that it had ceased a North Korean cargo ship on suspicion of violating sanctions and a woman who pretended to be a wealthy heiress and defrauded New York hotels and banks out of two hundred thousand dollars has been sentenced to four years in prison twenty eight-year-old Anna Sorkin apologize to the court for what she called her mistakes. Among her misdemeanors were faked loan applications and Vance checks. Nah. Netflix has bought the rights to tell her story from New York magazine, which helped to uncover us. This is the globalist. Stay tuned. Next to the murky world of policing the internet next week New Zealand's, Prime minister just center are done and the French president Emmanuel Macron attend to call on tech executives to eliminate the publication of extremist online content. Good move. You might think. But our next guest is concerned that by deleting such content. It could restrict the ability of prosecutors to track down the people who create and shares for nefarious reasons, you allocate he is the founder and director of the Syria archive and joins us now at he can you elaborate a little bit more on your concerns here. So we have been working since two thousand fourteen on collecting preserving and verifying, visual documentation to human rights violations in Syria. And because that was the only way we would know information about what's happening in the country Syria was a country that was very inaccessible to you and commissions as well as journalists as well as human rights organization such as natural Human Rights Watch. So user generated content was ablation on social media was very important to us to understand what's happening in the conflict and also to understand the situation to human rights violations there. So once this materials are removed, then we would not be able to know what's happening there, and we will not be able to assist the human rights situation there. Okay. I mean, can you give us some examples of things that might have been removed, which you might have found useful. Yes. Absolutely. I mean, they are hundreds of thousands of videos that has been moved since two thousand seventeen so after Google have started to use machine learning to detect extremism content automatically for their for the reviewers. So for example, once we noticed that we were working on an investigation related to medical facilities that has been targeted with airstrikes in Syria and add lip. So as what's happening now, actually as we talk. There has been more than ten hospital that was attacked in two thousand seventeen why we are doing investigating after we have done investigation and published we noticed that all the videos related to them has been removed or there's videos would be really potential to be used in a legal case against those were criminals, a very big milestone for us to to that was very. Practical that we understand from the value -bility of this. Material was what happened in a case that the international community court has worked on in two thousand seventeen were they published a first warrant of arrest against a war criminal in Libya based on Facebook posts that has videos of him committing crimes. So for Assyrians, we see that as international court used these videos to issue warrant against war criminal Libya, then this is definitely going to be helpful for us in Syria. So in this way, we are able to use this information for the future. And and make sure that it will be used to prosecute were communities in Syria. I guess the context in which we're talking about this new new the new Zealand Prime Minister Shinzo are during making this call on on tech company, stop terrorist propaganda or the glorification of terrorism from being these videos shared online. Of course, we know that. There was the mosque shootings in Christ Church. Just I what is it. Now just about a month ago when that the killer in that instance, live streamed his his attack. That's what we're talking about here. And if you know if if the removal of this content does help prevent such attacks from happening in the first place is that a sacrifice that's not worth making. So I think what what happened is that social media companies ruled out this technology such as machine learning to extremism contents online without really talking to groups that are doing the communication or working on on legal cases. So if there is an ability, for example, for those social media companies to connect with those documentation groups in order, for example to give this material to them as they remove it. Then this will be really held for for us. I think the case of what happened in New Zealand is definitely a case where a video should not be online. But in the case that I'm talking about in Syria is the case where hundreds of thousands of videos are showing human rights relations. It's net extremism is not propaganda. This is based on a database that has been collecting between two thousand eleven and now and most of the content that has that we review. Dude. That was terminated for example, by YouTube was not showing extreme as an again, it was showing human rights violations. I get civilians in Syria. So what needs to happen is definitely communication between social media companies and civil society groups, and this is what didn't happen. And this is right now what's escalating the problem. One of the issues has been that the tech companies have been reluctant to actually engage with with organizations such as your own or even in some cases, the security authorities to actually, you know, properly police the content that they have you know, what kind of call would you make on on on on all these parties? What suggestion would you have for them to to work more cohesively together? I would really just make sure that they understand what's happening in Syria right now in is vide-, challenging situation the city and government control. Again, the the whole country. There's a huge offensive, and it lib all physical evidence in Syria is being damaged as we talk, and we are left with the digital evidence. And this is not just a case of Syria. But stick ace of Yemen is the case of other conflict areas in close societies where people are capturing evidence risking their life to show the world what's happening in their country. So this is really important that we send message to that people who are capturing this evidence that what they're doing is valuable, and we need to take care of it. And when they need to do mainly social media companies as well as governments as they think about Las. Editors and content. Is they need to talk to civil society organizations and engage them more with these discussions because we are looking at this content every day, and they are nuts. And we know that even social media companies are nuts expert on every context in every country. So they need to get some advice on what is tourism content. What it's not, and when they were in new technologies such as machine learning, they need also to consult with civil society organization. So they don't do damage as they didn't Syria Hattie Alkatiri of these Syria archive. Thank you very much for joining us with your thoughts today. UBS has over nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharp is mines and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. No one. No one knows you find out how we can help you contact us at UBS dot com. Wendy, Starbucks, founder Howard Schultz, an answer that he was running for the US presidency on a third party ticket. He somehow managed to alienate, both Republicans and Democrats are perhaps most of those in between while now we are now eighteen months out from the election. It seems that shelters campaign has gone somewhat dark or more houses Monaco's, Ben Ryland reports. Remember when Howard shields wanted to be president. Oh, come on. And it wasn't that long ago. Here's a reminder what if the possibility of an independent person could capture the imagination of the forty two percent people who affiliate themselves as an independent, which is more than either party. And what if Republicans and Democrats lifelong are looking for a home, they're knocking vote for a left wing. Lisbeth warn Kamala Harris candidate, they don't want to reelect Donald Trump. But what if there's a new person inspiring, isn't it the ascent of Donald Trump to the White House, mud have made the idea of a rich businessman eyeing off the presidency. Not so remarkable. And the idea of how would shields for president isn't a new one though, the fullness CEO of Starbucks previously flirted with the idea of running on a democratic ticket in twenty fifteen whether he's discussing income inequality or a terrible Mekki autumn. Schultz has always been prone to lofty ambitions, and big ideas. That are often as exciting as they are vague and unpopular free health care for everybody free free college degree in and a job for everybody ends up to about forty trillion dollars in ten years. Well, that's not gonna happen on the foundation of a twenty one trillion dollar debt. So it's not true on paper. It would seem that shields sits most comfortably in the centrist democratic category. But during a media blitz earlier this year, he seemed to be spending an awful lot of energy targeting. Not Republicans party that put Donald Trump in the White House. But the Democrats I think the party started losing me when the party started shifting so far left to progressive policies that I know in my heart are as false, and I say this with respect when it's true as. Fall says President Trump telling the American people when he was running for president that the Mexicans. We're gonna pay for the wall. Also, the time that he cited Franklin Roosevelt as one of his favourite presidents of the last fifty years Roosevelt died seventeen four years ago. The time. He expressed admiration full Ronald Reagan, apparently because he never removed his jacket in the Oval Office, which is both a peculiar observation and incorrect one now, it seems that the flood of negative reaction that followed shields. Presidential flotation may have funny fulltime to rethink the idea, according to New York magazine Schultz lost public appearance was a visit to Arizona late last month events in Dallas, and San Francisco were recently cancelled. And he's presence on social media has dulled to Bailey window, according to New York magazine Schultz's last public appearance was a visit to Arizona late last month events in Dallas, and San Francisco were recently cancelled. And he's presence on social media has dulled to Bailey a window. A spokesperson told the daily based that Scholtz is lying. Low while he recovers from back surgery. But with popular rivals such as Kamala Harris, Pete Buddha. Judge and beta roic taking over the talk shows. It's a dangerous time to be out of the spotlight. One can only hope that Scholtz has indeed reconsidered his presidential ambitions. And that he's decided that perhaps twenty twenty isn't the year to elect a president with no demonstrated interest in politics policy, or at the very least that he's spending his recovery. Time studying on the details of how governments actually work. Thank you to bend for that. All next week on the globe. Bliss will be looking at how well the Member States of the European Union Reno what the EU is all about who's will be touching down in Vienna. And Dublin and hear from Rachel Johnson who's running here in the UK with the change you K party at the of coming e you elections. She also happens to be the sister of Britain's most prominent Brexit here Boris Johnson. That's coming up next week on the globalist. Twenty four minutes past the hour, though. We're going to continue with a review today's newspapers. Joined in the studio by Jacob power kilos who is deputy head of the US in America's program. Chatham house. Welcome Jacob the front page of the times where you're bringing his first warning of air pollution wake up to air pollution doctors. Tell ministers and this is one of a number of warnings. We've seen with increasing urgency about the dangers of air pollution in cities in particular. But in in Britain, probably and the the sub head is every person breeze the equivalent of daily cigarette, which for those of us who have to walk down quite crowded busy streets to get to our tube stations to commute to work is probably somewhat more. Yeah. It's an interesting statistic because for those people who still smoke twenty cigarettes a day. I'm not a smoker myself and the idea of air pollution being the equivalent of cigarettes day. Doesn't worry me that much. I have to confess will. It's it's one of these typical problems because air pollution will these are all sort of aggregated over time, you can breathe a lot of air pollution Justin same way that you can be you can smoke cigarettes and drink a lot, and you might just be genetically lucky and live to a hundred with no respiratory problems. Or you can you can catch the unlucky bounce, and you know. Just a little bit of pollution and get lung cancer it so so it's it's a little bit hard to sort of think through the statistics in a way that makes sense to us in our daily through lived experiences. But it is clearly a major problem and the campaign here is to try to get ministers to focus more on the key element of air. Pollution like calls, mainly mainly Carmen and comes to cities, dirty engines. Generally, diesel engines, I say, I vehicles in general, and of course, the raise this shift towards electric cars, which have the role whole other kind of list of environmental impact in that, you know, the energy be generated from somewhere and somehow when it comes to the density of living in a city. It's it's it's it's cleaner overall. I know my my brother's just picked up his his new electric car. Yeah. And this this is calling for a complete ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from twenty thirty. At the moment scheduled for twenty four given the sort of rate of adoption and the rate of development of electric vehicles. That's feasible. It would be it would be difficult for some manufacturers to adapt. But I think it's it's probably worth more pressing to introduce some kind of disincentive or incentive to get the dirty vehicles. That are on the road right now off them and London is doing that with a central London ultra low emission vehicles on. But you know, the the question is how does that get rolled out across the country. There's a lot of people who both those dirty Volkswagen's from back in the day thinking, they're clean at the time. Probably splashing at a pretty penny on the are pretty furious that they're left in the situation that they are that they're in. Let's let's push on toll Caboche and other issues again m a story of taken from the UK can use. But with global implications. John McDonnell who is Labour's finance spokesperson tool. King about the universal basic income. The UB universal basic income is this issue. That's sort of knocked around in originally right-wing. But then left way it's become a sort of left wing idea and the current quite left-wing incarnation of labor has has been giving it a serious. Look. This is John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, not promising to make it policy. If labor is the next British government, but taking it quite seriously. And the idea here is that you would give a instead of benefits that are means tested or a portion that every single citizen of country would get a certain amount of money as sort of stipend, and that it would be that person decision. How to spend that money regardless of age or income, or or other factors, and it would grant a basic standard of living the F T. I think based on this article is a little bit skeptical and spend a lot of time talking about the. Legitimately enormous expense associated with dot kind of social change. But they do, you know, this is something that's gone from being quite a niche idea to get quite a lot of common currency. And and it's an it's been trialed far and wide to. I think I've read even about a trial in the US recently on a very small scale. But yes, the impetus behind it being the fact that so many kind of entry level jobs are being automated is and a lot of people without skills could find themselves out of work. I mean, the thing I find interesting about this particular story is Joe McDonald, the this final spokesperson of the most left-wing labor party that we've seen for quite some time isn't giving it more full throw shes factor. I think I think the the what Labor's struggling with in. This context is the sort of dignity of work people, the labor unions versus this more gala -tarian sort of academic left-wing. There's a there's a real sort of political dispute about how to situate work within leftist theory. And I think that's not resolved. Which is why he's being a little bit cautious. Okay. That's push on to international news page eleven of the telegraph. You've picked out a piece about the the US using a ninja Bom to stop terrorist suspects. This is it has to be said the telegraph and numerous other newspapers following on reporting originally in the Wall Street Journal about a variant of the hellfire missile, which the US has used in certain strikes against terror suspects. The hellfire is an eighties era missile that has an anti tank warhead. It creates an enormous explosion blows up its target at designed to take out. You know, armored main battle tanks that sort of thing. But of course, when you're firing it against terrorist suspect driving down the road, there's a large potential for civilian casualties. So quite secretly, the US has developed a version of this which has an. Inert warhead. It's just a rock basically with a very sophisticated guidance system and a rocket motor. But also six blades which pop out. It's it's like something from a GI Joe JAMES BOND movie, it's blades, which popout they don't have a picture. They haven't illustrate quite crude illustration of blades emerging from this this missile, and then a photo of a strike whereas us where a sedan containing someone the US wanted to kill and it's just the roof caved in if it had been struck by a standard hellfire missile the car would be reduced to, you know, wreckage the size of your fist. But instead, it's the windshield is still intact. And it's it's I think about how accurate the guidance system on these has become that you can actually say we're just going to kill the people in that car and the person walking on the sidewalk next to it will get the shock of their life. But not be injured. So let's not be. I it's good news. Is this? It is it is an extreme expression of this debate that's been happening about whether the ability to more precisely target people has a humanitarian benefit because it does allow you to carry out violence where in situations where you might otherwise be constrained by the potential for collateral damage, but it also reduces the possibility for collateral damage, and there are not to be too even handed about it. But they're arguing on both sides of that. Okay. Something for a bigger debate. I think page five of the guardian you've picked to finish off barely time to get lunch and Isa's, and the fact that school breaks are becoming shorter. Apparently, this is a study that shown that school children in Britain have our let are getting less and less breaks for lunch for their afternoon breaks in the US context would would call recess. There's just there's. Less time in the day. Available for kids to run around in the school yard and play with their friends apparently school lunches are down to thirty five minutes. Thirty five minutes. I have says not a lot of time for lunch, especially stand in a long line and wait for someone to spoon out your applesauce. And. No, I'm not sure why this is though will I think it's just because there's an increasing demand on the school day hasn't expanded. You have limits on how many hours a day you can have student in school. But there's an increasing demand to do not only cover the basic at sort of educational goals, but also the various extracurriculars to practice for standardized tests, and I think it mirrors the general approach of the adult world, which is we have to optimize for, you know, certain results, and in that context the idea of having unstructured free time, whether it's recess or as an adult just sort of staring blankly into space an apartment, not cynical. Was in the working world few of actually getting break sees as as well. But and it's very bad for productivity. Ultimately, -absolutely and cool. Okay. Jacob park is. Thank you very much for taking through those those stories as still ahead on the program. We'll be heading off to get the latest business news hearing about the the death of a New York fashion icon Avonex off to the Venice Biennale as so stay with us on the globalist. UBS global financial services from whatever one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people we bring fresh thinking and perspective to awoke, and we know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and haunt to create lasting value for Clinton's. It's about having the right ideas, of course, but about having one of the most accomplished systems and unrivaled network of global experts. That's why EBS we pride ourselves on thinking smarts to make a real difference. Junin weekly to the bulletin with UBS fro the neatest insights opinions from UBS and experts from around the world. Thirty minutes past the hour. You're listening to the globalist mogul twenty four with tigon rice. Well, the Venice Biennale is underway. A momentous culture editor care or Ramal is there. Hopefully, enjoying some art alongside her role. Spritzers she caught up with Gustavo Boone Tech's curator of the Peruvian pavilion to learn more at this year's exhibition and Keira ask Stevo bet the animal impulses at play in the show desire is a keyword here. The keyword here in its various Morphing expressions. Actually what we have mostly. This, ladies and. Olmos naked transvestites this show. Explores the ways cultural tavist ISM. At tick you late s- itself through sexual. But with the precise historical political poetical Anchorage, which is the the couch, boom, the rubber boom in Masan region from eighteen seventy until the year in nineteen eleven which is when you British robbed on this muggles the seats of the rubber tree in order to. Reproduce. This splendid natural resource in animus artifice show way through the plantation system somewhere in Singapore or Burnell, and you destroyed the booming economy, the booming western economy of the muscle, but thought sickly, however, because everything's always a paradox that ruin was also liberation for the native population because the untold riches the bounty, but I'll onto the European Amazon doing those forty years by the petition of the rubber tree meant also the enslavement, they done choke labor an exploitation of the native populations that is so. A cultural twist to all of this because in order to socially justified these modern form of inhuman behavior, the western gays to other rice cut to excessive eight this supposedly other condition of the natives and one of the prime means through which this was done was by qualifying their cultural habits with the almost the car it almost Abhu category of the entrepot focus the sedition is called Antropov agos Indians. But with quotation marks the phrase is actually taken from the caption of vintage pasta, which were exhibiting alongside. A number of other historical documents of the same sort in which the native is framed in primitive Geiss, and exited us almost animal remnants with exodus ice on erotic. Scientists. Semi nude bodies covered with savage adornments in cutaneous inscriptions by the painting under sort at the same time, another type of framing was going on which was the cell framing of Iquitos, which is the Peruvian Amazon capital as civilized, quote, unquote, Bella par cook its European city delirium. No in the midst of the tropics, you have this palace all covered with ASU hotels, very expensive -ly imported from the most luxurious factories in Europe. And they even imported piece-meal LA CASA, they fear the Eireann house, which was which she still is building mate entirely of metal pieces manufactured by one of the competitors of Gustave, Eiffel just imagine the delusion of carrying old away from Europe too. Of the Masan darkness structure entirely. May the metal of wrought iron to be fact trying to affirm and industrial then that had no actual sustenance in the real economic life of the tropics symbols to by piece in the jungle and remains there as monument to western folly. Go. Sack in the rainforest. So these are all contextual elements that empower Qassim in the young work who establishes a keying a time. Siro Nic, always melancholic dialogue with that distort history. He does so not just through the significance of the images in the works sitting but more radically through the very muddy reality of this artworks. Impressive wordplay there by Gustavo takes the curator of the Peruvian pavilion at the Venice Biennale. He was speaking at Monica's, Kierra Ramallah. Forty one minutes past the hour. It's time to check in on the world of business news and joined by the financial analysts Lewis Cooper one big show in town today. Louise, and that Trump's tariffs which have more than doubled on Chinese imports. What impact? Well, so. Yeah. The he threatened it on Sunday, and he imposed it today literally a couple of as ago because the tariffs start literally a minute past midnight Washington time, which is a couple of hours ago in terms of tariffs. He's already got twenty five percent tariffs on fifty billion dollars with traits. Good. So that's been in place since the beginning. This is a further two hundred billion dollars of Chinese goods. And he's raised the Taras from ten percent to twenty five cents, so huge amounts. Only this comes when the Chinese vice premier Lou is actually in Washington. Negotiating with Treasury Secretary Mnuchin and the US trips at about the trait about about the trade deal. So they're actually it will she could they did lost apparently too late forty that starting today, and the Chinese police thanking to retaliate gonna take a believe necessary countermeasures. I mean, this is what is really all about this the stock market. The Shanghai composite in China on Monday fell five percent on Trump's to tweets Sunday night about threatening this Shanghai composite. What do you think it's doing today? Yes. Three percent. But does not fit into kind of by the rumor, sell the fact thing. Does. But. I always just Trump negotiating tactics. Trump posturing, but this is all set, by the way, threatened the total Chinese imports into America would see tariffs post. There's about two hundred and thirty three hundred twenty five billion of Chinese goods currently untapped occa-. And he's threatening the threatened loss night twenty-five set tires on those as well. Now, he puts twenty-five percent tariffs every single Chinese good arriving into America that will do massive damage to the China to the American economy and the Chinese economy will significantly increase Cosima prices. So the moment the market's going we don't believe it's gonna it's gonna be fine. But at some point, we've gotta think it might not be he seemed not to understand the concept of tiresome social media this week thinking he was making the Chinese pay not realizing the American buyers pay for them wonder if somebody's got the reins on him, but they were going from. From from one man talking big to accompany talking bake. But not quite as big as many minds of thoughts. Uber's flotation. What happens? Yes, it was last night. And it's I trading today. So very interesting to see this is one of the ten largest initial public offerings flotations on the stock market oval time. It is enormous. A K one point though was thought to be worth up to one hundred twenty billion dollars. It's it's floating value more like eighty two billion dollars. And I think there's a couple of things this unicorn is seeing glitter somewhat ton sharing. And I think it's a couple things that market conditions less than perfect. You've had the lift flotation before this disaster. But also in that right show. They only came to one city that was London. The all the other cities where in America, that's quite unusual. They really did set a lotta Hsieh's internationally, and they weren't any one on one meetings. I'm told it was just a lunchtime. Where all the all the sort of investors turned. To hear the presentation of one of the things that we had time and time again is there was a lack of financial information given out the road shape. But typically about that plans the future it's almost like we're going to go anything that has involved with moving stuff around. So we'll told of driving getting into logistics Laurie lorries carrying stuff around getting into scoot to her. And I think this might be another slight tonnage for many investors is investors like to see financial details. Paley with with Yuba. The financial details. Always in the red involving billions of billions of dollars finally, really briefly if you can Louise football. We don't talk about it much on this program. But in Liverpool hotels and flights prices of sword. So I was thinking to if my yesterday big Liverpool supporter comes from Liverpool. Serik cited that Liverpool has made the Champions League final. And of course. Spurs him in London really excited trying to get flights and prices have sold something like one and a half. Thousand to two thousand pounds to get a flight to Madrid. I think and then in terms of the hotel costs up to two thousand pounds for a one bedroom hotel, whereas in the pot one bed in a hotel, whereas literally hundred twenty four crime weak later. You can't get at BNB sewed. And my mate was even trying to do a youth hostel and normally will twenty quit even the youth. Hostel was going to challenge him to say what the side terrible flight via Italy at the seven hundred crates. He's five pays it's gonna take hours to get at east. His flight leaves a book in the morning after the match day. He society's going to stay up all night Madrid. Welcome the fats and expensive pursues. Glad I don't give a flying football of ISIS. Louise cooper. Thank you very much for joining us. You're listening to the global monocle twenty four. Tributes have been paid to Gloria Schiff model who came to teenage fame and the nineteen forties and went on to become a senior editor at vogue on one half of a pair of twins who conquered New York's high-society, she inter sister swallow who died nine years ago were described as good looking polish to delightful, and they knew everything while Mongols and spoke to the author journalist Dana Thomas about the legacy of Gloria Schiff, the daughter of two Irish immigrants, and they were born Gloria and Consuegra O'Connor and you while lowering Wailer very good Catholic news, which is what their grandmother wanted. It was interesting because it is said that they were named for Gloria Vander Bill. So obviously their family had great ambition bore them, even before they born the family split up when they were seven years old and the twins were two four girls. And they were moved with their mother to Nova Scotia. What? On earth. They were going to Nova Scotia. Who knows but they move they returned to New York at the age of fourteen or fifteen and one day while they were in an elevator in the hotel days teast where they were living a young photographer name. Andre the den who is French and worked for Bogue spotted them and said, I'm going to turn you into models. And so they became models. They were on the cover of look magazine. They were the first models. Do the Tony permanent advertising campaign? They they used to switch out each other from time to time in full people with because they were identical twins and soon they made enough money to be attending proper schools the lodge school, and then the French institute from where they graduated and they made their debut at waldorf-astoria. So there they were well named and they met their parents expectations set land parade exceeded most of them. I would imagine they then go onto app city embedded in New York high society good looking polish. And women who knew exactly what they what they were about an an you have to connect with people at the absolute highest level. Yes, they did. They both made very good. Marriages brilliant marriages. It was said conceal it to the council donor for Crespi. And so she got a title on lived in in Roma and work, the Italian Riviera and was part of the European jet set and Gloria married, a very nice, man. Frank Schiff who was far wealthier than the count and come from a very good and successful insurance company family, and they lived at seven forty Park Avenue, which is of course, still the address, and and they had a house on Long Island, and they played tennis and they entertained, and she she wore could sure and she worked with MRs relend, I at Harper's bazaar and at that invoke, and as a fashion editor as a stylist as. Taste maker and an even still at times as a model Gloria shape, it's been quoted said that she never really liked to party that much. But there is one of which actually is mocked quite firmly in fashion history, and that was Truman Capote's nineteen sixty six black and white bull. What was it about that evening? Well that evening, which was in honor of Katharine Graham, the publisher of the Washington Post for whom I worked when I was a teenager in my twenties, and I can tell you. She was worth throwing a ball for. She. They arrived end just set the tone so perfectly. They were. They were they were not swans swans, Gloria Guinness and bay paly. But these two were perfect women and the perfect lives. They never stepped out of the house without looking apsolutely. Perfect and everything they did in their homes was perfect. It's a sort of kind of way of living that no one even strives to achieve. Anymore an elegance and refinement and class and of beauty in everything that they did and it and it was all on display that evening at the black and white ball on. Everybody was just mesmerized by how they just glided in and in a room full of spectacular people and beautiful women. They were they were the bells of the ball. What what influenced Gloria have during halftime vogue? Well, she worked with pen and she worked with Avalon. So she helped put together some of the great ear that era of the nineteen sixties was such a a photographic strong image era, like we don't have anymore just spectacular images. And and again, always, you know, unfaltering elegance alluring, you know, perfect taste. It was just everything always was just as it should be an made you dream that you could live that life. And that's what made vogue so powerful. And why glory was able to wield such power there? One thing that she was famous for was influence on Jackie Kennedy and her future fashion alliances will people compared glory unconcealed to Jackie and Lee Radziwill sisters with another set of sisters with great influence style. Jet-set married royalty had title. You know, did you know, definitely rose up the ranks in and too far higher station than the one in which they were born. And but Jackie remarked one day that glory was wearing a new suit. It was shortly after the president's assassination, and she asked who made the suit and gore bond Valentino, the young designer from Roma who was not very well known at just started his company and Jackie said, I wanna see him. I wanna see him right away. And they took they went to see Valentine. That afternoon he was in New York, and she ordered six suits though, six suits and dresses were what carried her through her official year of mourning. And from then on she was dressed Valentino. And of course, we still see her in those great pictures in Capri with the sandals. Her Valentino outfits or in Rome on when she was living. The era are auto NASA since she was dressed in Valentino. And it was fantastic. She was married in Valentino when she married Arsalan Assis. So that was a great liaison that was forged. Thanks to Gloria Dana Thomas that remembering Gloria Schiff now at fifty four minutes past the hour summer the summer festival season is Mercifully around the corner. Joining me to discuss the bar Sedona Primavera sound festival is one of the team behind it. It's been famed for its mix of local talent and international stars and has become a firm fixture on the European festival. Math and eat. It's founders will speaking Monaco's quality of life conference in Madrid. Rid this year and organize Marta pious. As is on the line now for a preview. What have you offer? Is this your Marsha? Hi, ed. Good morning from from Simona. Thanks for for your time. I think I'm positive when I'm saying that we are really excited about dishes into something special for for us as some of you may be aware. The the the first time that testing our size has programs fifty fifty January qual lineup. So that means that around two hundred thirty artists we have on our Beal fifty three percent of them are women. So we think that it's really inspiring. And that we will be portraying really amazing female talent that has been releasing his AAC during the last month. So yeah, interesting to hear the about that focus on on. Gender balance. And it's been in the spotlight so much in many aspects of of of the world of business, and of culture, perhaps less of a focus on the musical stage wanted you decide to attack it so aggressively. Because we have the moving to work dizzy quality during the last year two thousand eighteen it wasn't that much. But it was thirty five percent approximately. So we realized that it could be done, and it could be done now to assume as we closed the positition we started working with with this through it's through that has an eighteen had so many great records made by women that it was kind of easy to do that. Once we realized that this is something we want to to achieve for two thousand nineteen. And if you check all the laced with the best record out there in two thousand eighteen you'll see that this. This has been dream to be able to choose among the that that kind of your organization they're going to be speaking as motorcycles quality of life conference in Madrid this year at what what are they going to be telling the attendees there. About you know, how Primavera has put itself on the international stage is such a special festival. We believe that the brand Spooner sound brand persona has been together for a long time. Now, it's going to be our nineteenth as he should we're going to celebrate our twentieth anniversary next year to I guess that. Somehow the two brands have been growing together. It's obvious that we have a lot of attendees that come from growth. So it's a pleasure to be able to attend the festival that is funny that is Arben obviously, nothing to say against other kind of of festivals that it's really nice to be able to sleep or in their own bed or in a nice hotel. We believe that this is something that it completely in separate for for the festival. So I guess that both Daniel and Pablo that will be attending. Your conference in Madrid? With picking book about the quality of the music, the quality of the environment of the festival, we just something. We are really proud of and the experience of coming versus if you are able to come some days before the main days of the festival because you will be able to enjoy music from Monday to Sunday because we have a lot of things going unsigned last for perfectible Marta pirates. Thank you very much for joining us and sharing your insights center. Rony a great festival that brings globalist for today to an end. 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S3 [14] Anna Delvey, The Heiress

What Really Happened?

46:35 min | 10 months ago

S3 [14] Anna Delvey, The Heiress

"Welcome to season three of what really happened. Executive produced by seven bucks productions dwayne Johnson Danny Garcia and Brian Goertz in association Zeeshan with cadence thirteen. It's written and hosted by me Andrew. Jenks you can follow me on twitter or instagram. At Andrew Jenks you can also become a contributor to the show show by going to jinx pod dot com slash. Contributors Imagine. You're twenty nine nine years old. You make a friend. The relationship develops quickly. You get to hang out quite a bit but imagine. That friend isn't who they they say they are. And you're left wondering what really happened. My name is Rachel Deluge Williams. I grew up in Knoxville Tennessee. I am the oldest of three kids. My parents are both clinical psychologists. I played soccer my whole life. I don't know I used to feel really into arts and crafts. I don't know I had a really like happy like relatively I guess I don't know if it's normal but it was my childhood. Yeah I hadn't really like loving supportive. Parents I think is very lucky. In my childhood I went to Kenyon College in Gambier Ohio which is made midway between Cleveland and Columbus can of in the middle of nowhere. I was a photo editor of Vanity Fair. I got my job but vanity fair through a combination of hard work mark and Look I would say I. I knew. I wanted to intern there when I was in college. So I had actually picked someone's name off the masthead and center an email out of the blue. Oh just I didn't end up getting internship. I was a little late and they were already full but after I graduated I was put in touch with somebody for what's called an informational national interview. Where you just go in and get to ask questions? It wasn't even really applying for a job but I was persistent at following up with the person I had met with and it just so happened job had opened opened up with the person I had emailed out of the blue a year prior and and her name's Catherine McLeod. She remembered my correspondence and so I quickly got an an interview interview for that position and then was started. The next day is very serendipitous but I I was just very persistent. I was twenty eight when I've raised. Madam Anna I heard just out one night with some girls. Your I knew who lived in the city. A lot of them worked in fashion. NPR And we were out for dinner and drinks and she already knew some of the other people in the group over the course of two thousand sixteen through the summer. She became a part of that group of girls that I would see mostly just when I went out weekends or something They were very social bunch. Not My closest friends but girls. I enjoyed spending time with Anna. became just a part of that. I didn't know her very well. In two thousand sixteen she then left at the end of that year because she needed to reset her visa because she wasn't a US citizen then she came back in February of two thousand seventeen and that's when she and I became closer friends. I had recently broken up with a long term boyfriend. A lot of my friends have moved out of Manhattan to Brooklyn or out of the city. Altogether some were married. We're having kids. I was newly single like wanting to go out at that part when you're like coming. I'm an winter coming out of your good coon ready lake. You know have some fun. And here's this girl who I knew who checks into a hotel called eleven Howard which is like inbetween my apartment and my job downtown so it was very convenient. And she's automatically texting everyday wanting to hang out and I enjoyed spending time with her so he fell into a very fast asked friendship. We would often get dinner and drinks in her hotel. She didn't actually really like to give her hotel very often. She lived a lifestyle style was very different than mine. She for instance lived in Hotels full-time she was working on this art foundation What she was gonNA call the V.? Foundation addition to house like gallery space restaurants bars members. Only clubs like all sorts of different things which sounded really interesting so we spent a lot of time together talking about her plans for that got. It was nice to have a friend who didn't keep normal office hours so she was very available whereas a lot of my other friends hard to make commitments because everybody works really long hours aries. So I'd say like during that period those it was like a little over two months she and I spent a lot of time together. Just invited me to work out with her with a personal trainer that she had arranged to go to the celebrity personal trainer that she'd research and I think Well she said she was into her because she had trained Dakota Johnson for for one of the fifty shades of grey movies as she. She could be very generous but I think part of that was her playing this character of Anna Delhvi who who was in a position to be generous I thought she was living off trust fund. I just thought that she came from family money. I just didn't pry like finances rallies as private star has is sincere and I just you know that was the baseline of my understanding as to how she could live in a hotel and how she could be trained to create something so grand an IRA foundation. She told me that her parents worked in solar energy. I thought that was a euphemism for maybe raking an oil sh like because it was energy related and my head. I didn't pry but I kind of thought. Well maybe we like. That's probably a part of what they do but like. That was dark as my suspicions went. She was very convincing. She was very convincing. Zinger playing this character That was Anna Dovey and I think she was inherently lonely. I you know I knew that even at the time I ah I chalked up some of that to to immaturity because she could be kind of insensitive and I think that pushed away a lot of likes Princeton's the girls through whom I met her didn't hang out out with her in two thousand seventeen. She was really kind of alone. I thought I was her only friend than I felt. You know what I was going to be there for her. 'cause I you know I liked her and she really liked. Played up up to this big sister impulse. I think that I have. She would ask me. She was I think three years younger than me. She would ask me for advice whether it was like with her foundation about you know do. Do you like this logo. Do you think this would be a cool pairing between an artist and the Shafir. What do you think of this video to social advice and I I saw are her as being young but trying really hard to like to grow? I think part of what in Anna appealed to me is the boyfriend I had been with. He's older than me. I worked at Vanity Fair for six years when I met Anna that skews also slightly older a lot of the people I spent most most of my time with were older than me and I think you know coming out of that like Phase I liked. How Young Anna felt for instance teaching me about Action Bronson zone or like Kodak Black or whatever it is? It's like a part of the culture that I was interested in but had gotten kind of disconnected from anything. She kind of pushed me back in that direction to some extent and and we'd show me youtube videos that I wouldn't know about her like I. I mean it's not terribly profound but I think that's what appealed to me at that moment in time was kind of plugging back into this part of the culture that I'd I'd become a kind of distant from so Anna. Uh I think it was an April. She's looking ahead. I think it was in May when she needed to leave to again reset. Her ESTA visa the visa that would allow her to stay in in the United States for three months at a time and instead of going back to Cologne Germany where she said she was from she wanted to take a trip to somewhere warm and she proposed we take a vacation which it was exciting to me. I hadn't taken a vacation with friends and as long as I could remember. I travel with my family sometimes but it just the timing worked out. I was traveling looking for work that Spring. Anyway I was going to tack this on it just the stars aligned and she quickly kind of evolved it from configuration idea into this. Oh I'm going to use this as an opportunity to begin the stock inventory about the creation of art foundation and within a week's time you know one day she suggesting the vacation one week later she's picked the most expensive hotel basically in the world and has booked a private villa and his asking me. Who else should we invite so it escalated very quickly from this lake? You know collaborative research vacation idea into you. I've booked a private villa at Lama Munia. She wants to invite a videographer because she obviously needs footage just to jump in. I didn't say this I realized that doesn't make any sense to begin a documentary about the creation of an art foundation. That's based in Manhattan in Morocco. I realized that at the time but I kind of was just being supportive as as a friend thinking all right well like shoot. She wanted to see what it was like to have cameras around she. Maybe she was doing like some sort of food and beverage research while she was in Morocco. Maybe she was looking at hospitality. Has Battalion understand things like I could rationalize the choice and try to be supportive of how she wanted to spend her money like far. Be It from me to question that uh because also my job is to produce complex photo shoots. I'm used to dealing with eccentric personalities and moving logistics just sticks and you know travel and hotel like I kind of got sucked into this default role of producers slash. Like sort of weird assistant. Because has that's my nature like just to take care of people then also my job so it was like a very fast slick transition from simply friend to like someone who was dealing dealing with a lot of the the backend logistics which came full circle to kind of bite me because then the Davis postal even even the flights are booked. And everyone's texting me the personal trainer. Who's Anna's invited and the videographer because I've become kind of this like Anna whisperer And she's very aloof she. It's hard to get clear answers from her and I don't say that in like a owes a huge red flag kind of way I mean it has. It was a part of her character. It wasn't unusual. It was just who she was but I had seen her. She was living fulltime in hotels. A New York. She was actually taking all of these business meetings. She you know there are enough things that I had seen firsthand that I didn't feel I had reason you know. There's no reason for me to question who she was at that moment in time or to be overly alarmed by her behavior. Very I think partially because like I said it was in my job to deal with people like that and and travel like that so I think I didn't bulk maybe some other people would have anyway so I ended up helping her to the tickets the day. We're supposed to leave and she gave me A. She texted me a picture of her credit card which didn't go through so of course I I was like Oh shit I just use mine and you pay me back and she said Yeah. That's okay for you all. Why are you on Monday? So that's that's how it started the the pattern that with with intensify of her owing me money so I I use my credit card. We made it out. We had a six hour layover in Lisbon. 'cause I booked the cheapest lights possible that we arrived in America in the hotel was real like it was already booked. We had a VIP car service take us to the palace this lake walled in resort. That was unlike anything I'd ever seen. So we get there are shown through the hotel. They're like four restaurants or bars. A huge lake sized swimming pool sprawling gardens. We we take this grand tour. There's no normal check in procedure where you give your like credit card and get a key because we have a Butler who lets us into the rooms. I have no reason to think anything is a mess and you know we get to our villa. It's this little house with three bedrooms and a nice i Butler named a dude. who gets you anything you want and you know it was greed? I like Meralco was a lot of fun until it wasn't In Marrakech Morocco. Rachel sees parts of Anna. She wasn't as aware of in New York. Anna is is particularly arrogant and rude towards others specifically the hotel staff. Rachel also wanted to travel around and see Morocco while Anna was content lounging by the pool. But Rachel wasn't gonNA say anything. She was a guest of Anna's and regardless this would be small potatoes compared to what is about to happen and hotel management needed someone to put their credit card down for payment and is credit card. Wasn't working Rachel assumes it's because does it's a large amount in a foreign country so it seems simple Anna just needs to make some phone calls and it should be taken care of well hours go by hi and nothing. Changes Hotel management gets more aggressive. They need a working credit card on file. They won't let them do anything until the card is put down amount. Even if it's just to be put on hold so Rachel is asked to do so and there really isn't any other option. More time in Morocco goes by by an Anna's cards still doesn't work so Rachel starts to think. Maybe Anna has some sort of monthly allowance from her parents. Who knows how these trust funds work? Rachel thanks maybe Anna spent it already particularly after she booked a private jet to us the following month to go to a conference held by Warren Buffett. If it you really can't make this stuff up either way. Rachel has to leave a day early from vacation to get back to work the day after leaving she gets. It's a text from Anna. The entire trip was put on Rachel's credit cards a combination of her work credit card and personal credit card. A total total of over sixty thousand dollars. Rachel can't believe it a trip worth more than Rachel makes in a year. Despite wanting some distance since from Anna Rachel actually feels grateful for the trip and believes as promised Anna will pay Rachel back in the coming days so I wanted to pull back from the friendship but I still believed she was who she said she was and then I think it would have been simpler had disappeared. But she didn't. She kept in touch with me every day. Pretending ending that this wire transfers on the way I. I just kind of kept stifling my anxiety about it telling myself that it would be resolved quickly that the wire fire would come through and then it would be over. Didn't tell anybody I just thought you know this is going to get fixed. Quick it quickly. It's it's private it's financial. It's kind of embarrassing Anna another. She let this happen So I I just tried to like downplay The stress but then as it didn't don't get resolved quickly and you know my rent steel. I'm starting to get phone calls from Amex because I have these extremely high balances so Vang's Zayed's started to eat at me more and more the longer it went without reimbursement appearing as Annika promising ended up telling my my boyfriend who I have gotten gotten back together with and he had the loan me money to pay my rent. I kept telling American Express the same thing and was telling me which is oh it should be any day now. It should be any day. I started to have recurring panic attacks. I wasn't really sleeping. I would wake up at three four a M constantly texting with Anna constantly texting with her. You know about why you know what. What is the delay? Why is there a delay what can do to help? Can you send me a wire. Transfer numbers I can compare it with bank so I can stop asking you questions. And she just had so many excuses. Shoot you know. Lawyers were needing something from our bankers who needed something from her parents. who needed something from IRA like it? Just it was such an elaborate set of lies and the goalposts kept moving like you know she chewed. Then give me fake wire. Transfer numbers so You know every time she did that I would buy like forty eight hours or so because you think well maybe it just takes takes time for it to appear and then she would say like Oh like there is an issue. The Anna Dovey Foundation. I didn't realize I needed to pay taxes. So the IRS throws my accounts. But I should be resolved now but she would give you just enough information that you would kind of wrap your head around it and be like okay. I like Kinda makes sense. Time went on and obviously the wire didn't arrive so I ended up maintaining contact with Anna but starting to ask questions Very carefully of people who she also knew like the people who I met her through and other people who may have loaned her money. I started to kind of quietly. Ask around like what's her the deal. I ended up meeting with someone who said he had known her family or or like had had loaned her money and had to threaten to reach her father to get it back and he said that she eh. What her dad was like some Russian billionaire who brought oil from Russia to Germany just basically told me a stray that he'd obviously Veasley gotten from Anna but the way he said it made me feel like it was factual so I think that threw a wrench in makers for a long time because I kept falling back on that as well? You know she has is the safety net like she should be able to get helps. I thought she was having some kind of like a psychotic break. I like so I was trying to be firm but also understanding this someone. WHO's having the problem eventually? I got up the goal to to contact lawyers and even when I did that I told Anna and I was like an. I don't want to do this but if if you can't follow through I have no choice. I'm really I was apologizing to her. I was like I'm really sorry. I just don't see another alternative active and and she was just like okay. I had some limited legal coverage through my employment cutting asked so I like had consultations put a with the first one I I called like when I finally called him any finally called me back. He was like he listened to my little like elevator pitch version. The story was like. Did you learn your lesson. I was like excuse me to pay for my son's MED school. To just really really patronizing and dismissive and rude rude and that was really demoralizing. Because it's taken a lot for me to get to that point so I kinda had to shelve the lawyers for a bit but by the time I did go back to explore that I realized okay. Anna's not a US citizen. I know when she's gotten back from Morocco so I know that in three months time he's going to need to leave again and so the first step tap. If I were going to sue her would be descended. Demand letter saying like you owe me this amount of money for this was due on this date whatever. She has thirty days legally to contest the debt and within those thirty days for visa expired again so she might have left and gone to Germany. Or you know wherever which would mean then would have to follow her to file suit which would then and mean my expenses might exceed the balance of what she owed me and even then there seemed like there is a collection issue. 'cause she wasn't able to access the money for some reason so I was worried I was going to just dig myself into a deeper hole. Didn't tell very many people like people at work didn't know my parents didn't know Mostly it's not that I was embarrassed. I think people's first reaction to that because you're embarrassed and that's not really what it was like you know in my mind. I hadn't done anything anything wrong. I just couldn't understand what was happening. And it was taking me so much energy to get through every day and to keep thinking about what to do. I just didn't have the energy to spare to tell anyone and to. It's kind of like once you say something out loud it becomes more real and away and like specially if I told my parents like can you. They live in Tennessee. Can you imagine getting a phone call from your daughter saying like okay so this girl owes me sixty two thousand dollars. Oh like my mom would've sold my parents would have sold like half the house or like our front yard or even though I would have told them not to and then they would have wanted to know like they would have wanted to come to New York and then I would be worried about how they were feeling in addition to how I was feeling like I just I couldn't handle it and I couldn't handle the needing update them. I like with everything trying because I could barely do it let alone Linda absolutely have tried this and then this happened in. It was too much I just had to keep moving But I I'd say I hit my first real low point It's like one of the first times I think I said out loud. Like what if she never pays as me back. It was just this night. I was at my my boyfriend. Nick's apartment and I just remember having a complete panic attack on his couch just unable able to breathe and I was just you know focusing on this the immensity of the debt and just thinking like you know in my job at Vanity Fair. I loved my job but I wasn't making enough barely barely making enough to break. Even I certainly wasn't saving anything. I didn't have any savings so I I think people here. Vanity Fair Fair and they think oh like she's this moneyed editor like that's not the reality of publishing or at least wasn't the reality for me. That's certainly more than I made. A year Ah You know I don't i. Don't I come from privileged. I think there's a difference between wealth and privilege like yes. I have like loving parents. I got to go to a great school. Like I'm okay like like I. I'm also really white. Young female like living in New York City like yeah like there are a lot of things that I am privileged to have in my life. And I'm very aware of if that but it doesn't idea that I was going to pay off this enormous debt. You know even if I borrowed it from a family friend or whatever it's like I always have to pay that money back somewhere so I I just remember like heaving and just saying like I'm never going to get to be an adult. I'm over have a house that never going to have kids like like I can never dig myself out of this whole like i. Just don't I don't make enough. I can't like it still makes me Kinda catch my breath a little so that was really hard and then I think having to keep retelling the story to American Express on the phone every time. Hi I'm like because I ended up contesting the debt. Eventually they get decline so I'd have to talk to another like representative. Pass me off to another representative and I'd have to just keep explaining and I kept having panic attacks on while on the phone like they were. They couldn't have been nicer every. Like what are you GonNa do. You're on the phone with this girl who's like telling you this scene in story and is like clearly having a panic attack. They're like it's GonNa be okay like calm down like so very nice. It was. It was a lot. The stress was really hard. I think I'm just like remembering like that. Part of the experience is very hard. It's hard to recount that part of the experience without the emotion league trying to explain to somebody else what it was like. It's very hard to put it just in and worried like I can't separate the words of the experience from the emotion of the experience because it's definitely all blended together. The warriors thing got shelved went to my friend Dave for advice he suggested. I try to get a hold of detective unit at New York. Police Department Thinking they would find this interesting and might have the time and resources to actually investigate it properly. It was excited to have a plan was something that felt concrete concrete so I spent this evening putting together his black binder of evidence. I like made those folder. My computer called operation clarity it just. It was helping me to feel productive and to focus on what was concrete and had like what might be useful to figure out what was happening so I made this folder and then I printed off every text message. We'd exchanged every email. We'd exchanged the copy of her passport. I had from booking the flights copy of your credit card again producer brain. I was very organized. I have little white dividers. I like I felt like you know ready proactive. Good like better to have a plan so the next day I walked into the NYPD police headquarters of my little binder. And I was like I need to speak to detective from they were like. Do you have a police report and I was like no I do not so. They told me I had to go to a local brings precinct so I walked to Chinatown and go into a precinct and they ask you what what can we do for you. And there's you know you stand there and you're like well here. I just had to tell. The story is distinctly as possible to this cop. And as I'm telling you at another cop comes over and then the third cop and they're sort of handing me off and finally I'm telling this lieutenant who listens to the story. The binder is stole my backpack. And I'm like you know. Here's this crazy thing. She owes me this much money and and he's like well since it happened in Morocco. There's nothing we can do. There's a jurisdictional issue. I was like yeah but like you're missing the big picture you know. Surely there's something you you know. She knew her I knew her here. We live here like the trip was planned here. He's like no like but with your face. You could start a gofundme page to get your money back just very you know I. I don't think he's bad. I think he was trying to help me. But it was extremely dismissive and patronizing and the police had always been my last resort. You know it took a lot for me to you. Know have tell the authorities about this girl who used to be my friend who I think is having a breakdown Thinking also I thought she might get arrested and deported ported. which would definitely mean? I wouldn't get my money back in my mind over the course of about two months and it continues to delay paying back Rachel so so finally a intervention of sorts as planned. Rachel will join a private trainer. Who Anna had been using and had also invited to America? This private private trainer will also bring a friend the three of them. Sit Down with Anna at a bar and asked what is going on. Why can't Anna Pay Rachel back? Why is she acting so aloof? It was longest sort of most circuitous not professional interrogation ever. We you know the especially the trainer and the trainer's friend just kept pushing Anna for for truth for answers. I was a little more quiet and I think a little more emotional. Because I've been doing this for two months you know I'd ask for everything I could think to ask. I was kind of just watching her. React to the accusations and the questions you know. There was a point where someone yelled at her like. You're a Russian con artist and Anna's reaction action is telling. I think her reaction was what makes you say I'm Russian. It wasn't it like why do you think of con- It was. She just had. She had such a way. A of deflect like again. That's not answering the question will. It is kind of but she. She would deflect things that every time you ask her questions. She would ask you a question back or she would spin it. So you're the one talking talking instead of her. She just had an answer for everything and her emotional reactions. Were so different than what I think. A normal person's would be. She wasn't she. She wasn't really incredulous. She wasn't she certainly wasn't remorseful. She just sort of felt like she done it before. I felt like she had an answer for everything. So that's when I think. The final shoe fell because of my operation. Claret I was I going through. This was so destabilizing at following my my world was turning upside down like very quickly and very inexplicably so I was really focused on getting tangible information that I could continue to pick apart so going going into this quote unquote intervention. I decided to tape record it. Because the way Anna spoke she would say things and it would just break your brain because she would just string together. You're like you know the wire is in like God like my. I can't even repeat it because it doesn't make any logical sense but you would you would hear these strings worried and you'd sit there trying to make sense of them and you know you would know they wouldn't make sense but you you couldn't remember them. I needed to have a recording of it so that I could then try to pick it apart and figure out like what can I investigate from this. That might lead me to some tangible troops. The day of the intervention is the day that it broke in the New York Post and the New York Daily News that Anna had stiff some New York hotels after Morocco. Like the Beekman the Parker Meridian. And the w downtown I think She hadn't paid them for her hotels days and the New York Post called her wannabe socially skipping out on hotel bills walls and Anna was distraught about the way that she was being portrayed she was like you know. I'm not out partying I'm I I want to be. Wanted to be taken seriously so badly and she she wasn't out partying that's very true But the fact that she was upset about her image. When you know life was really falling apart I think is really indicative of of how desensitized she is to the way that her behavior affects those around her? She couldn't she couldn't understand the difference between the turmoil in her life and the turmoil in my life she didn't see how that was different so the day after that is when I ended up emailing the New York District Attorney's office and linked to the New York Post article. I think this girl is a con artist. I haven't permission. Can I please come in and very quickly. I got a phone call and went. I went down to the DA's CA's office and gave them my binder. And then you know I learned that Anna was the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation and having that information you know it was an in many ways the worst case scenario to learn that this person really doesn't have anything that she's a con artist. I but it was also the first thing that explained everything you know to have that like something fall into place and actually make sense was in some ways it gave me some degree of closure although I then had to figure out how to move forward from there and that's also. It was the next day that I started to write because because I learning that this person spent so much time with wasn't at all what I believe to be really rocked my world. It had sent me spiraling backwards because I thought what do I know what was really happening. And what what do I have. That might be useful for the investigation. So I you know. I was drowning in my memories. I couldn't barely see it was in front of me. I needed to get them out of my head onto paper so I continue. Continue to move forward and to give the police everything I had the. DA's office so that you know. Maybe I could help with their investigation so I go to the office in August. I testify before a grand jury Anna. Hide these misdemeanor charges from staffing the New York hotels after Morocco and she was supposed to show up in court on September. The fifth of two hundred seventeen. These dates just burned into my brain She's in dated before that date. So it's my guess that when Anna showed up in court she was going to be arrested arrested and arraigned for the felony charges. Well except that on September fifth and it didn't show up she didn't show up in court. She skipped her court date. And that's when the NYPD and the DA's office called me and asked if I were to text her whether or not she'd respond so they asked me if I can help figure out where she's gone because she skipped so. I ended up having to resume communication with her via text message. Like I'd never shut down that communication channel even as I was like the police since seeking these alternative resolutions. I didn't see any you know there was no reason to do that again. Producer thinking is like have as many balls in the U. K. N. until something like productive falls into place so I'm thinking all right. There's no reason for me to like. Burn that bridge. I you know I'd rather know where she is and be able to contact her that to say like they call me again in blocker number like she owes me so much money so I ended up meeting to figure out like you know. How did you go look? I'm sorry you're in the situation. I tried to say as much that was true as I could. I meant what I said you know I was like. I'm sorry this happened. However you got into this mess s I don't think you meant for? Its turn out this way. Like I had to kind of rebuild the trust she was actually mad at me at that point in time because she heard I'd been asking questions about her which just just goes to show you how backwards I think some of the thinking is when you remember that. She owes me so much money but I figured out that she's gone to California. She tells me she's in a hospital. spital she doesn't ask her like thirty questions for everyone that she answers. Finally I figured out that. She's checked into a rehab in. Malibu and I was actually is supposed to go to the West Coast for work about October. And she knew that because she'd been planning to go to this conference I was attending with Vanity Fair. So she the asked. If we could get together I was in town. And you know everything she said back to me I was reporting back to the NYPD. And I ended up setting up a a lunch at Joan's on third. Of course neither of US went to Jones on third put. She ended up getting arrested as she left Rehab to go to that lunch. I don't know why she was was in Rehab whether or not it was actually an addiction. Either way it's actually kind of an ingenious pleased to hide out because because of healthcare privacy regulations the law enforcement Kansas Waltz in and find out if someone's there because the facility is under no obligation to tell you if if a specific patient has residents nor nor do they let law enforcement just you you go into the property so we had to get her out and that that part was very challenging for me to sort of betray the trust in our friendship ship. It felt very unnatural and hard and heavy. You know for for a long time. I was driven by this. Need to solve the riddle to figure out what was real and to sort of turn my world world back right side up and to get answers But as they got closer to having this person I had known you know being arrested and maybe incarcerated did you know I took it really seriously like I couldn't figure out like I'm GonNa bring my money back. What is it going to help? It's not in a reverse timely. The damage has been done but ultimately I decided having known her as I did and having been such like a friend to her the fact that she's still we'll do the steamy made me feel like she would do it to anybody and I just felt this compulsion to protect people. 'cause I you know. I didn't know what she was capable of. There was so much I didn't know so has motivated by fear at that point. The money is certainly an important part of this story. And I think it's the fulcrum on which sort of the whole like friendship and the and the betrayal of tipped but what was I think equally as painful as is sort of the emotional impact of of the stress of the finances but then also the stress of having been betrayed by someone. I thought I knew who turned out to be completely. You know fake on October third. Two Thousand Seventeen Anna was arrested and charged with Grand Larceny. She was offered a plea deal. That would have released her from jail and deported her back to Germany but she denied the plea deal and went to trial. Ultimately Anna was convicted of attempted. Grand Larceny theft of services and larceny in the second degree in May two thousand nineteen. She was sentenced to four to twelve years in prison. Find Twenty four thousand dollars and ordered to pay restitution of almost else two hundred thousand dollars according to the New York Times. She faces deportation once. She is released. The Times added Miss Oregon. That's Anna stiffed. Hotels persuaded a bank employee to give her a one hundred thousand dollar line of Credit Sway private jet company to let her fly on credit and and tried to secure a twenty five million dollar loan from a hedge fund. The Marrakesh trip cost Rachel over. Fifty thousand dollars. Anna was acquitted of stealing from Rachel but AMEX did end up forgiving the over fifty K.. While they won't comment publicly it seems AMEX ACS did realize the conditions under which Rachel was in when she handed over her Amex America. The hotel managers had effectively prevented her or Anna. From exiting in solar credit card was put down. She was also told by the hotel staff that there would not be a credit card charge during the trial Gal Ana were designer outfits and somehow had a stylist at one point. There was a two hour. Delay the trial because Anna had concerns about her wardrobe. Some of Anna's actual backstory as it turns out. Her father wasn't in solar energy or an oil tycoon. He was a truck driver. Her Mom owned a convenience store before becoming a stay at home. Mom while Anna wasn't German as she had said her family had had moved to Germany in two thousand seven when Anna was sixteen and graduated high school and in two thousand eleven moved to London to attend art school but she he didn't graduate instead. She moved to Paris to work as an intern for the French magazine Purple. It seems that during this time she started to take on this fake alternative person. She changed her name from Anna Sorkin to Anna Delhvi when she moved to New York City about three years later in two thousand fourteen gene. She really had a new narrative she claimed to have a trust fund worth somewhere around sixty million euros. Her father was now a diplomat or oil oil executive or solar panel magnet depending on who you asked she either befriended or was photographed with individuals tied. To New York's social scene gene after the story got national attention. Netflix ordered a show based on an article which was written about Anna. The deal included Anna receiving seventy thousand dollars plus a fifteen K.. Per Episode Consulting fee and seven thousand five hundred per episode royalty fee should the show go to series in July a judge temporarily ordered net flicks not disburse the money citing the son of Sam law which prevents felons from profiting from their crimes. After speaking with Rachel about her story for over ninety minutes. I obviously had some follow up questions especially really seeing as she's now had more time to think about what happened. Do you think that just looking back on this whole thing. Do you think that you guys were ever. How do you think she saw you? I think my friendship was useful to Anna I think there are elements of it. That were real like I think we actually had fun together. I think she liked me. I liked her. I think friendship was a real friendship. It's just that sad. I do think the fact that Eric Vanity Fair gave her a degree of credibility by association. So she'd say the business people you should meet my friend Rachel she works at Vanity Fair and because of that association they took her more seriously just just like she might say to me. You should meet my friend Spencer. He works at Fortress Hedge Fund and the Association's consciously would would validate her business efforts to me I also you think that temperamentally if that's a word. I think that we bounced out because she could be kind of hard to read She she was very brash and in some of her behaviors. She could be a little rude and I think I sort of balanced out by apologizing on her behalf or laughing off things that might have been offensive. Sort of. Oh that's just an and and I think that was probably also useful. I think she also like I said was really lonely. I think she because of her her her lack of empathy and her her sort of insensitivity I think she isolated herself and I think she liked having a friend who wanted to spend time with her and I certainly was that hat so i. I don't think it was a financial mark necessarily because I I certainly didn't know that I could front someone that much money. You know with a shock to me too but at the same time she chose knew she wasn't going to be the one paying for that trip and the second she gave me a non-functioning credit card book our flights I think that's when the intention formed wormed to sort of start boxing. Me In you know it was never gonna be her so I think that's Yeah things took a criminal turn do you. You think. She and her Maybe this is speculating too much but that she did she see that this foundation does she believe that this foundation would one day become a real thing or sure. Yeah I think Anna did I think she like her lawyer said during the trial she was to some degree trying to fake it till she could make I think she was desperate to be taken seriously. I think she did really. We WanNA accomplish this thing that she thought would give her some sort of credibility. That's IT I don't know if you know where she to accomplish it if if she would have been enough for her if she ever would have stopped. Sort sort of manipulating people and things around here to do more or you know have more whatever it is yeah has it made it difficult goal to trust people i. I think it's made me more aware of myself as a trusting person and someone who's default is to believe people I I don't think that's a natural. I think that's that's normal but at the same time I feel more aware of myself in that way and I have to try to be more careful you know and seeing the instances where I'm rationalizing other people's behavior are making excuses for them especially if it's for one person again and again I think that's now a red flag for me that it's a good indicator to step back into to look at what's in front of me and I don't know if it was. I think Angela said when people show you who they I believe them that's paraphrase but that's the gist of it. You know people show you. They are which is not to say? Hannah showed me. She was a conard asked by you know. I think you can step back and evaluate relationships in a way that's productive based on not not rule of them. So how would you say you have changed. I think I'm much more careful where I invest my time. Now I I feel like it. Not Friendship he no. I don't have really regrets because I did what I did where I was a pet. That's as far as I had as much as I learned. I Like I did the best I could but I I think you know I I. There's a lot in the friendship. I felt like I enjoyed her company. But I also didn't feel like I was risking anything. She wasn't asking anything of me and I now see that my time and my attention where what I was investing and what I was kind of risking. And it's your trust is a precious thing. Heavy giveaway put it. Do you think there's any chance She knew that Anna new shoe get caught. Like is there any chance. This was part of some larger plan. I know I I read she's actually planning on writing to memoirs And actually publishing them when she gets out. Yeah there are times I questioned whether or not and New She might get caught and whether this was a part of her plan. All how long to achieve this kind of notoriety through this the audacity of her crimes like the flashing. It's possible it's possible. Well I I do think she certainly did things like the more dramatic and the the bigger the better. Maybe that's why I think that calls calls into question like for me there. Is this kind of like ethically gray cloud over this whole thing about the role of entertainment and the celebrating of of con artist figures in our society today like the fact that she he was able to get a Netflix deal before criminal trial and and got thirty thousand dollars before the trial began which went directly to financing her criminal defense lawyer who also represented presented her and her entertainment dealings. I mean the. DA's office stepped. In after the trials you can get the remainder of the money from that flex. But does that mean that individuals are incentivized incentivized to commit flashier crimes and then to seek their entertainment value in order to finance their defense and to achieve notoriety in the event even even are convicted. Like is this this like what's happening here to Romanticize these figures like Billy McFarland Farland Elizabeth Homes and Adult V. Whoever like that? I think that's so dark because you not to suggest that crime pays and to give them this this treatment. I think his danger as they think it shows young people. That back kind of behavior is rewarded. That there's this alternative track you take to achieve. You know it's not. It's it's notoriety. I don't even know famous. The right word. It's such negative Celebrity but I. It's dark because the the behavior that they represent is just like callousness greed narcissism. It's like not things to be celebrated as far as I'm concerned next week on. What really happened this season? Finale a special two-parter Malaysia Airlines flight flake three seventy was on route to China and then it suddenly vanished. There's endless speculation about what really happened to flight three seventy. 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Fyre Festival

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Fyre Festival

"New York's ICONIC DJ and Free Form Radio Pioneer. Then scelzo on why you should support Radio Free Brooklyn will I discovered Radio Free booklets. I thought this this is more like the old free form radio stations that I was a part of anything. I've seen a long time. So keep it going with the donation please At Radio Free Brooklyn Dot Org and thank you for listening and for being a part of this grand free form radio experiment. Holy Sweet Mother of God shift. Hello Hello Hello how you doing by hope. No eating dinner the next best thing every Monday night from intend till midnight on Radio Free Brooklyn Fun for everyone except for dear Jesus seven-night that holy sweet mother of God. It is ten o'clock doc on Monday night so you know what that means. Is it time for your favorite show ever but it is time for the next best thing. I'm your host. Jonathan be learner keeping you company every Monday night from ten until midnight right here on Radio Free Brooklyn can you hear me. 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No not the Goddamn Brady bunch much much more dark than that. So here's the thing it's the holiday season in everyone's having parties and all that lovely stuff and the the other night a friend of mine was having a party and it. was you know a bunch of us from work and great time. Great time good. Time was had by all but a friend of mine and was there. Who's kind of you know casualty seeing another friend of ours and This of mine we you know. We're a pretty good friends. We make fun of each other. We tease each other we kind of Razz each other in various ways and So at the party he people were having drinks. People were having a good old time including yours. Truly and at one point I went back to grab something in this other room and I saw the girl. He's casually seeing and she was just kind of they were you know they. She was in a group. She was having a casual flirtatious conversation with someone else. Someone no one knew and it was innocent. I mean of course it was innocent and whatever didn't really think much about it but at one point I think I saw him kiss her on the cheek or something big deal no big deal thought nothing of it. Then I go back into the main room and I see my friend who seeing her? And I think I just kind of you know half casually slash half drunkenly said as a joke pay boy. Well you know you better be careful so and so's in there and he might swoop in and steal your girl now. It wasn't a funny joke. I will tell you that right now all and I was you know I've had a few drinks and it was so meaningless. It was meaningless. I thought he would be like I thought he would. I don't know what the fuck I thought he would say. Didn't think you would react at all. It was a stupid thing to say. It was a stupid joke. Said by a stupid person but his reaction was one of great concern. He was very concerned and he was very. He did not think it was funny and he reacted you know. I had had a few drinks. I thought that surely he had to. I thought he reacted this way because he had a few drinks anyway. Long story short he wean in the other room to check it out and kind of was very you know uneasy about it. He asked the girl about it. She was like what the fuck you talking talking about. And the whole thing ended up making her very uncomfortable because she was like. WHAT'S OUR UTAH? Like first of all were casually dating. Don't be possessive possessive and jealous number. One number two this nothing happened. I will tell you being Jonathan. Nothing did happen. I made that I mean you know I said that from the jump it was casual it was innocent. It was nothing I was making a dumb joke to my dumb friend. I mean it was nothing. Jump Ahead Ed here with me. His reaction really bothered her. I guess it must've triggered something in her. They are not doing well. Their relationship has taken a downward spiral since this whole night. And I feel as the song said I feel feel healed though. I'm not sure I did anything wrong. A fee you killed and I do. I really do more because my friend is really torn up about it. And it's like Jesus did I do this. I mean let's be honest. It was his reaction that did you know upset her but had I not made the dumb meaningless. Needless joke he wouldn't have reacted that way. And then it would. I just don't know maybe it was inevitable. Who knows but the bottom line is I do feel badly because I have a heart I have a soul? Oh and these. Are you know he was really upset about it. Not like angry. He was hurt. You could tell it was hurt and I know it breaks my heart to see someone with a broken heart art. What can I say? I'm I'm a softy. I guess any WHO. That's how I'm feeling on this rainy nasty cold Monday but I have have some good news. We have a great guest plan for tonight. You've probably seen one if not both of the big hugely popular documentaries on the fire festival. Oh yeah the infamous tortuous unsuccessful fire festival evil debacle. There's one on net flicks. It's called fire. The Greatest Party the never happened. And there's another one on Hulu called something else but They both are on the same subject to an tonight. My guest is Mark Weinstein. He is prominently featured in the Netflix documentary. He opted not to taken the Hulu documentary for reasons. We'll get into when he joins us. I'll be very interested to talk to him about his experience. How he got involved What it was like what life has been since but also what? I'm really kind of a curious to talk with him. About is kind of the a psychology behind it all because the you know we live in a time where a lot of big time con artists huge major scale fraudsters like Bernie madoff Elizabeth Holmes from theranos that girl Anna delhvi or I guess a real name is Anna sorkin she. I don't know how the hell is happened. But she came to New York City and was basically living like a socialite. Like a really rich young girl socialite bouncing from expensive luxury hotel too expensive luxury hotel never paying the bills also and apparently she was just making up her life story. I don't even know but I'm very interested to get some insight from mark. who was their up close and personal with one of the biggest fraudsters of all building McFarland? who was the founder and CEO of fire and and has been subsequently exposed as just a beak time fraudster? A CON artist and So yeah I'll be very interested to talk with him about that. He'll be calling into the show a little bit later. In the meantime we will go over. What's been going on in the news? What's been going going on in the world? You're listening to the next best thing. Here's what's making news tonight aright. Yes here is what's making news tonight in the big time so this past weekend was Santa Con that absolutely horrible thing that no one in New York actually likes or can even stand for that matter but that just keeps on happening for. There's some goddamn reason if you ran into any Santa's on the street. I am sorry for that but alas you know I mentioned engined how. The impeachment is not being treated very seriously by the Republican leadership and end. That topic was discussed on the view. Naturally as it would be now we don't talk about the view very much on this show but you know in general. I like like the view. I think it's a good show. I like the women on it. They're smart they're you know whatever could show and I respect Megan McCain. I really do and I think it is important to have some you know disparate voices on that show who wants to watch a show where everyone just agrees in echoes each other. That wouldn't be interesting. Wouldn't be you know whatever what's the point of that. But but she does she gets so. I don't WanNA use the word emotional because I know that when you call women emotional. It's very degrading trading and kind of belittling. But she does she gets really worked up. She's just immature today when they were talking about the impeachment proceedings. It doesn't matter really what they were talking about because it happens all the time. Megan McCain once again put her kind of immaturity on full display and Whoopi Goldberg. Our girl. The webster she had had enough she had had enough. It's so interesting. You know you see Whoopi on that show. She's always always trying to kind of keep the order they talk over each other which is just you know. The cardinal rule of radio and television. Don't talk over each other. No one can hear you. If it's people talking over each other and yet they do it all the time. She tries to keep the peace to let everyone get their thoughts and words words in but today she had had enough take a listen. So this is Sonny Halston. She's talking. She's giving her viewpoint on something. And then you'll hear Meghan and McCain come in you can't miss it and things go awry from their Arizona. I think we also have to compare the the Senate vote before you had so many so many senators that voted to not only impeach but also convict President Clinton for Yes perjuring himself. Those same many of those same people are still in the Senate. I cannot believe that they would vote to impeach and convict a president a sitting being president for perjuring himself and they would not vote to convict a President Obama who clearly and remove a president who cool airlie use of four four wanted to use a foreign government for his own personal benefit to impede our very democracy. That is in this Republican. Sit in it but I understand that my job here is not negate the ethics of it. I'm I'm an ABC political analyst along with Being Co host. My job is to analyze the politics of it. And I'm telling you you I'm talking to my job or your senators are talk. Here's what's happening. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA show hyper girl as stop talking. Please stop talking right now because you know what no. It's happening bank. You won't talk show. Okay that's I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that if you're going to behave like they're not only respect. Yes we talk with. What you're doing is you're not doing anything? How about this former? FBI We'll be right back. Okay okay now I will you know when you when I played that and when you hear that clip out of context and alone it does actually kind of sound like Megan is getting the raw end of the deal because you know you hear sunny to give her opinion then. Megan tries to come in and she gets cut off but you have to understand. She is constantly cutting people off. She's uh-huh and it's like you know if won't be does that. We'll be does just kind of move on quickly. There's a reason for she's her job is he's the moderator. She's the monitoring of that show. She has to keep them on time. She has to keep the conversation moving and if she just abruptly cuts off to move onto the next topic it's not because she's he's being a bitch not because she wants to shut someone up. It's because they have to keep going. They are on a tight schedule and Megan for her to be like. Oh my God okay. No Papa okay. I won't talk with the best of the Shell. I'll just be quiet okay. We'll find it's like are you five. I mean seriously obviously and she says she says that all the time all the time and it's like who wants to deal with that. Nobody wants to deal with that. It's really kind of difficult to listen to. It's important to get you know they're in points of view and that's the whole point of that godforsaken show but when you're on there and you get all touchy and you act like what you don't WanNa quit with me with an I. Just I'm just never gonNA talk again. It's like you. We know we can hear you right. You sound ridiculous and Whoopi had just had enough of that. Goddamn bullshit. She'd had enough of the Goddamn Bullshit. All right you're listening to the next best thing on Radio Free Brooklyn. You're going to take a quick break. And when the comeback and we welcome our guest Mark Weinstein of the fire festival fame and much more. We'll get to know him as well. All right you're listening to best and yeah that's all and okay. We'll rate if he brooklyn is a five zero Wednesday three nonprofit organization whose mission is to provide a free Sandokan platform to our community and promote media literacy education and free expression. We rely primarily on donations from listeners. Like you so if you like to support our mission so we can continue to bring you quality community radio. 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That would normally be very hard to book a very hard to reach very hard to get in contact with. It's a great idea in theory. That's it's a shame that it's kind of gone to the wayside but the fact that it was a good idea. I think that's why there was a whole team of engineers product designers and web developers. Working on it here in New York while the whole festival went on the festival was actually a way to promote and market the APP. Now my guest tonight is Mark Weinstein who you may remember from the Netflix documentary. Fire the greatest party. The never happened. He's referred to in the documentary as a music festival consultant. But he actually does much more than that I. He spent a number of years working as an investment banker. I believe at Morgan Stanley. He's produced his own music. Festivals called Nineties Nineties Fest. Most recently. He's moved into venture capital. He's also kind of a Yoga Guru. He's kind of a modern day renaissance man and we're very happy to welcome to the show. Mark Mark thanks so much for making time and calling in for having me John I appreciate it so tell me if I had this right you first heard about fire at a music excessive conference in Las Vegas and you're kind of suspicious immediately. Yeah exactly The conference was called X.. Live it's kind of a Uh It's an industry conference for festival and event organizers and my my partner one of my partners from a company called Prime Social Group which is independent event company in the Mid West was on stage which are rule and John Rule announced fire to the audience. And actually if you watch the documentary entering my partner is is there when John Announces hitting kind of a little bit of a skeptical grin on his face. so yeah so we We were a bit skeptical of. AH The grandiose vision on on such a short time line right. That's that's what kind of stood out to me. What gave everybody pause was actually the ignorance and kind of arrogance? He had about what it took to put on a successful music festival. which obviously he didn't know and none of them really knew yeah? I think there's there's something about it then planning and I was speaking to A fellow festival producer. Although I don't really to do that anymore Actually this weekend just produced a huge festival in Las Vegas With Amazon. But we were we were chatting about just what it takes right the the twenty four seven grind leading up to invent everything that can go wrong usually does and it's happening it's all happening live and there's real people in attendance at risk so it's not like you can launch some kind of minimum viable product as a software company and then bug fix. It's all you know. Shut it down and fix it. It's all happening live so I think people kind of lose sight of that and event production seems like a really simple business especially when you attended did that and everything's going smoothly so you take it for granted what's happening behind the scenes But in fact it's it's really challenging and things go wrong quite often. Yeah and it's just watching the documentary. I know having planned like benefit concerts and just directed kind of theatrical metrical productions that with so many people involved there are things that get forgotten there. Things get overlooked. There's so many moving parts and that's with you know one production with the music festival you have all these different acts to kind of get into place to try and do it. Arbitrarily is just. It's I don't understand and how it seemed like a great idea. Yeah I and like I said you know it happens. Often I think with events That successful individuals and other fields that they can just step in and produce a you know a kick ass event and oftentimes. They're they're surprised by the difficulty of it. Not to mention right. This is on a on a remote island in a foreign country with all of its nuance Dealing with the the laws and customs and the way things are run over there And it's not a festival that you tend to leave. You have to stay there. So there's all this I saw that go into producing event like this besides even just What's happening onstage around the stage right? So how did they change your mind and get you involved. I know your friend produced the Promo video and you were impressed that they sold out so quickly. But what actually got you on the team. Yeah it was. It was actually a a few you know a couple of events Per starters you nailed it a friend friend of mine produce The Promo video and I remember it was probably in January or February meeting with him in New York And we were just catching up and we started colliding about this and I think so. You know what's going on or are they. Real video was obviously really well produced and the clearly really had a huge budget for it and he was like the other real day you know they sold out two weekends in a row and so for festival producers. We're talking talking about how hard you know. Event production side of it is and is very challenging with even harder for first year festival. Actually you know. Sell out your full capacity tickets and Sorta here that they had done that two weeks in a row and also to see kind of the budget behind the production video. I'm thinking okay. These guys you know they might. They might know something That I don't and you know it's It's interesting just how it also depends on where you are in your life. So that time in my life I was. You know working my second sort of nineties fest. which was kind of teetering on the edge of failure and I was just looking for an opportunity just like this Right like a big opportunity to kind of make you know. Make a splash and Another friend of mine. Who WanNa actually introduce me to? Billy was Working working for a well established venture capital fund And they were exploring Pretty meaningful investment into into fire. Yup Up and the idea that I was well if I can help them pull this off potentially Could be an executive at this. This music working APP which was trying to disinter mediate mediate. Alder all D- value extracting parties in the chain of booking talent right so I thought that was pretty cool so your your involvement with the festival was kind of like a an introduction to the company it was like yeah I treated it almost like an interview. There was a dating period where I would get to know them. They will get to know me. we work together and then potentially join The other company which the festival was using to promote so it it was Kinda this like you know a number of factors one just was in this position in my life you know kind of with With Ninety s kind of teetering on the edge. I was looking for that life so to speak to. They've sold out the festival in three. I really had high-quality introduction to the founder on and a a lot of reason to believe that that he was you know legitimate business operator right. Well it's interesting. You bring up the fact that you know that because they sold out which is honestly it is getting people getting people to go anywhere not to mention spin money and take a whole weekend is often the hardest part and they. We did that very quickly and very well but I noticed you know. It seems to me that they focused on that before booking any acts before like actually securing a location is that accurate. Yeah they they had just I think by the time the Promo video came out. They had just in Their spot on Exuma and before that they were they we're trying to be at this remote island which was previously owned by Pablo Escobar? The irony of all that is like you know the small island. That's pretty much inhabitable Substantial production to even make it someplace to visit mentioned doesn't have a Gawk so you have to ship all the equipment. Ah Queens which logistically much trump and all the while. He's he's pond booking the acts off on this young guy who works back at the media company Johnnie who says in the documentary. No I'm twenty some years old. I've never booked anything. I don't know what I'm doing. Yeah definitely important. I think you know they. They were able to secure some big box. However I definitely think one of the one of the questions that I get is like? Was it just an outright scam. The answer is no I mean. They spent probably somewhere between five and ten million dollars just on artist deposit And so you know. That's that's the issue. Right if you're if you're a new festival producer promoter and you're just kinda cold calling agencies are getting introduced to them and you have a huge marketing campaign. I'm paying all the time so I'm guessing they weren't getting the best deals on Cowan's is that's for sure right and you know I mentioned earlier in the show. We live in this time when a number of big time. Con Artists in fraudsters are really being exposed. I mean people like Lou Pearlman who formed and managed the backstreet boys and in sync before stealing all their money and going to jail. Bernie Madoff Elizabeth homes the theranos story. And now Billy McFarland and I'm really interested. I did kind of fascinated with the whole psychology of it all so okay. So let's give some background so billy McFarland was known as young kind of Genius Entrepreneur Guy. We we started companies like macneice which was an elite charge card for millennials which later also was exposed as kind of scam and fire media into into so when you first met billy you said it was over the phone but whoa kind of was your initial impression of him was he warm and inviting and he they seem trustworthy. And all that stuff It's it's so hard to go back in time right out moment. which is now you know over two hundred? It's almost two and a half years and to give an accurate assessment of how I felt about doing knowing what I know. Yeah that's what I would say like I love to be able. Let's say like yeah. You know I thought I think he was trustworthy or or I thought he was but I. I honestly couldn't tell you I thought that I guess what I could say that I thought he was. He was capable right because she had gotten that far. He had executed with his previous company to the best of my knowledge and he had gotten himself into this position with fire up where she had some of the. You know the biggest investors in the world taking very seriously asleep And so that you know in of itself plus some of the people that he had around him. He's legitimate. If nothing else you know she has he has a dollar is backing him to be able to pull this off right and he did seem I mean between the crew. He had in New York working at fire media and the huge team down on the island working on the ground on the festival he was able to fool a lot of people for sure. And I mean some by keeping them just totally rolling the dark but then then you think about guys like you know Andy King and you know he's become kind of famous for saying how he was how far he was willing to go did you. I know Andy like did you guys work where you guys working hand-in-hand working with Andy only needed a great guy. And he's also you know he's famous for saying what he would have done under the water released but really I mean he's premier event planner all over the country and he hears I wanNA play a quick thing that he says kind of the beginning getting of the documentary. Yeah then we can react to it. Could you imagine trying to host music festival even in Miami Beach or in Boston Austin around La almost impossible without an incredible big infrastructure. So dial it up to a small island the Bahamas most difficult as you could possibly do it. Billy cold me and he said listen. I need your help when I need you to get to the Bahamas as soon as possible. The to do a proper music festival I would say you should try to start the the design and the fundraising everything. At least twelve months out the true core team that came in literally had six to eight weeks to build this thing and put it together all right so in hindsight it's it's easy to hear that and think. Okay wait so with your knowledge and with you know you know how long it would take. Why didn't you stop right there or at least not get involved but he he? Did you know Andy in particular seem to have this real kind of steadfast loyalty to billy. Can you talk about. Did Billy have that effect on. People I don't know if billy had that effect on everyone Was a steadfast loyalty to vary so much as a steadfast dedication and a work ethic towards just trying to solve problems and get things done I think Andy. You know Andy and a few others new billy beforehand. The hand and had had a stronger relationship with him in new in this kind of young. You Know Young Thoughtful Entrepreneur The through the rest of the production eighteen. I think it was just me up tasks and let's try to get them done and you know by the time. By the time I got to the event like I landed on Zuma's Like the first weekend in April the event was scheduled for May southern and there were probably like five or six fulltime production stuff that were already living on the island but it was unclear. Just how long you know they had all been working there and it was already kind of presented as like this is a mess. You know you're the one of the reasons why you're coming coming in same with Andy right like one of the reasons why you're coming in is to try to help save this. Yeah stated fix it right. Make make an event happen And I think that's kind of what our mission was right like make any event happened and and so you know we. We have a sense that it was going to be very very challenging but doable potentially will. I'm sure you get asked all the time. And and you know people kind of see the documentary and again. It's easy with hindsight to be like well. Why didn't you leave? Why would you have stayed and worked with billy that whole time but people don't understand? I imagine that with huge events like this. Everyone has their own job to do in their own little silo that they're focusing on and it can be tough to see the overall picture that said there are a few individuals at the top billy chief among them who everyone reports do and whose job it is to see the overall picture so with that in mind it seems like they had every reason to know that this was not going to work was was that fair to say they did. I think I think that tape believed that. It was going to work in some way right. Matt Edward Either. Yeah Yeah I mean I kept I keep on having conversations with these about these issues seemed insurmountable and it would just be like we'll figure it out figure it out and there's certain point I think like you know steak until you make it. Don't take no for an answer. You mentioned a number of other startup scams. Like I'm pretty fairly confident that Elizabeth homes went into theranos thinking that she could solve problems. Sure sure right and so oh that's that's kind of. I think the problem is these and Adam Newman right went into. We were thinking that he was going to change the world right Not Thinking he was just an you create a bunch of over inflated rental agreement right so it's It's hard to say if they knew or not especially because they they were inexperienced but where I think they dropped the ball. And I think it's a good lesson for other entrepreneurs and if you surround yourself with experts you have to listen to the experts. That's right you see. That's what I that's what I kind of met like. I don't think billy or anyone grant any of those people up on that top tier necessarily surly like winning thinking. Well this is a scam. We'll just get people's money. I don't think that was the vision but like you know one kind of character. I guess you could say from the document who stood out to me is Keith. The key the German pilot. Who Do you remember who? I'm talking about did you meet. I know it's funny. I didn't know him he Actually there right before me okay. So he met. Apparently he bent met Deli randomly on vacation and he somehow ended up being the head of logistics. And it looked like you no. He took took that job very seriously and very early on. He made it known that you know there wasn't sufficient plumbing there wasn't enough space on the island for the number number of people they were expecting and it was just the conditions weren't livable and response. was you fired. Yeah well they did change islands. So they they. They moved the island after. was that right but was it typical if anyone and anyone who kind of presented challenges where they just kind of kicked off the team. Yeah Yeah it was pretty standard. I think I think another thing. I think that was referencing. The documentary was this fire scam websites that popped up right so there was like somebody was was sending footage from the island and conversations that were clearly internal out to some website that were saying. This is a scam. Don't go really accurately in the end. Great but how did you feel about that at the time though well we. We had an all hands meeting pretty quickly which was kind of like a little bit of a witch hunt on and and the the kind of explicit statement. Where if we find out this is you were going to be coming out? Could you legally so there was a little bit of this you you know. Mom's the word on external communications not point forward. I think that's A. Did you think like well. What they're saying is accurate all right so three to four weeks before the festival were was to happen? You got put in charge of booking housing thing for influencers production staff investors impress now. Were you wear at that point. That the type of lodging that those people as well as festival silicon ds had been promised. Were you aware that they didn't actually exist. No so I basically when I went down that first weekend and I thought I was going to be stepping. Kind of more high level Position Right just evaluating the overall picture and helping themselves those types of high-level we'll probably but it became clear that they had a lot of generals and not a lot of soldiers. And so no experience with excel. 'cause I was a banker as you mentioned so I basically like walk into a room. 'cause it's my first weekend there and there's a small group of individuals going to spread sheet And the SPREADSHEET is a list of accommodations and. I'm like let me help you sit down. And I ended up taking over the spreadsheet and I start fixing things up whatever The person who it was at the time running it She was like Oh. I didn't realize you can do this. Like whatever in it became ended up becoming my role because I started managing this spreadsheet and when I first started the task the assignment was we have four hundred individuals. That need beds On the island and they're going to be living off site and so that was supposedly something like one hundred fifty influencers and one hundred and fifteen fifteen staff production. Whatever and then one hundred you know pressing the investor's after about you know again the time lines zor blurry but after about a week as I'm crunching the numbers it becomes obviously that number's higher and so you know we're simultaneously? We're trying to gather as much inventory as possible and also live updating the numbers in the end it ended up being twelve hundred people on that in your bed and You know we're talking about an island with a population of three to five thousand depending on on how you know who you ask. It's the busiest week in your So that's kind of when I started really panicking and you know the regular conversation was we don't need this. Many people right. Another part that people forget is there was a second weekend we have a second weekend. You know worst case. Hey scenario they can go to the second weekend. You can rely on them whatever you need to do. But there's not enough beds right. We were talking about. We have shipment of like three hundred air mattresses that we're coming coming through But ended up getting held up at the last custom shipment right ideas that were thrown out of like flying staff back and forth to Hotel Nassau because they were on credit at hotel and on credit a private jet company is my estimate could have to pay for it until after the fact. So we're talking about like this massive logistics operation of of literally flying people to to and from the island round the clock. I gotTA cruise ship with seven days until the festival. That was another another. You know potential fix but it was only a two hundred fifty person crew shift and it turned out to be twenty two long for the dock. Doc we almost got up to the dock master to let us put it there. But then there'd be moored off the island that was just another logistics thing doing running a whole tender operation ration- So yeah there were just so many moving pieces right and the first time that I really was like. Oh Wow this is complete. BS was. When when I had my first call with the influencers I started? I took it upon myself to start canceling people. Like hey like you really can't shouldn't come like and they all hated their like. Who is this guy? I haven't heard a voice. They hadn't heard a voice since that January when they posted their orange squares on instagram grabbed. Me and I'm telling you know the accommodations on what they promise. They should come and telling him. Basically what the accommodations are going to be which was was cheered rooms air mattresses and they were like they were like ours promised You know bill on the beach with my friends and I was just like okay now. These were influences so these were people that were actually getting a free. I mean they were being paid to come down pretty much like it was a free for them right where I was meant to be all free for them in exchange for them having roasted this Orange Square for the marketing camp on the other end you have people who have actually paid paid for these villas that have been advertised and look beautiful and luxurious. Don't exist right I mean. Was it ever discussed how people might react when they paid to stay in these villas and then show up to find a hurricane tint. Oh also yes one one hundred percent but I would say so. The the hurricane tense were separate from the the housing people that bought a house. And were you know we were trying to find houses that could actually accommodate them That were on the beach you know and yeah it was completely disgusted. I mean I think I think the biggest mistake that was made was just not communicating educating with the with everyone right like you had to community by and and things were changing on the ground. And they should have just been communicated from billy or like from the whole public facing staff from tr marketing everything. Right it seems like the disconnect it seems like they actually went on the other end of the spectrum they were adamant about keeping everything top secret and the point was eventually. It's GONNA come out right. Those was shot and that and so you know. They were told multiple times to cancel. I told them to to get rid of all mystery. You you know these three guests for the first weekend. It didn't make any sense But you know they. They didn't listen. And then it got to be almost too late. One of my favorite points. It's my one of my favorite parts of the documentary is when you are talking about cindy can email that said quote. I you know. We're one day out. I've I've tried to warn you but my words keep falling on deaf ears. We don't have enough beds to safely house our staff. VIP guests paid customers. We need to cancel more people immediately. I know you worry about press blowback but imagine how. Ob when three hundred fifty people arrive onto a remote island are herded onto yellow school. Buses brought to a festival the site. That's unfinished only to realize. They have nowhere to sleep and are trapped here now you sent that e mail out and how did they respond. Oh ridiculous isn't it. At least they'll see your smiling face in August okay. So when I said that I would have been like what are you talking about. Who are you talking to? Can you hear me. The course that we're running we're running on those tweets like were you know basically just it's moving train right suing freight train and you're trying to just solve a million different problems completely under staffed stressed on a remote island literally with island fever. And it's just like w like this really happening you can't you can't even fathom it just doesn't feel real it feels like a dream or nightmare and at that point. You're kind of like at that point you're trapped. It's not like you can leave at that point. I can't leave in like you. Let let South Larry's but another point about the housing was that there are no addresses under silent means so I'm one of two people that actually he knows the map of where the houses are one of two. And it's you know it's like how are people going to get to where they need to go He's yeah sure crazy. I mean even the day although it was just getting ripped and to hold onto a million different directions actually like physically pulled by a lot of the you know the Admin and assistance to the court. Fire chief you know you're only one person So so it was pretty crazy but yeah why why did I say I definitely have asked that question so many times and I don't know it's like there's mission creep this we're all in there's together mentality. There's a sense of deferral of responsibility to the authority figure. There's all these psychological factors that come into play in situations. I like this will and I honestly it's funny to me because I know people have asked you that I know that keeps coming up at that. Never really even occurred to me because like I said having planned events ends and been part of teams like this. I know that like you know once you get to a certain point. You know you're a soldier you're doing your job and at a certain point you just are doing everything you can to support your colleagues and to get things done in like you. You know you're being told that it's going to make this work where all positive it's going to work out and you're kind of like you know it's like are you going to believe me or your lying eyes and it's Kinda just like well after you get to certain point. It's not so much like you can just up and leave because you will be abandoning people completely. Yeah there's there's definitely a certain level level of camaraderie that's built between. I mean our production team was we were like family. You know you're sure living on this island together and solving these insurmountable problems and it's like that's another thing right. There's this illusion of of progress because you we keep solving problems. So there's not how okay we get a cruise ship. Wow can't believe you got that cruise ship like something that you plan for three months ahead of time and everyone's like applauding you know it's the best thing ever but in the end it just keeps things moving forward. We lose our caterer and he goes and gets another caterer. Oh we can't believe it seven days to the food solution but all the while right. The quality is getting degenerated on it's just like everybody loses sight of of the main the main initiative in which was to create a great experience tight. Not just filling the blanks. Not Get it done not getting done exactly and so it. It certainly should have been canceled. I think there were multiple times that that was that was mentioned. How to production the day before the festivals I had to cancel And and it was just ignored but they couldn't see 'cause now that we're knowing what we know now isn't it kind of like e- couldn't cancel because he couldn't refund the money. Yeah exactly. I mean you're if you're if the Calculus for billions pretty clear like you your ten to twenty million dollars in the hole there's no force there's no insurance that would cover this. The artists aren't giving you the money back for your negligent. And you know most of the money's gone so if you don't have an event that's it to nineteen million dollar loss end of the story and the road if you're if you try to pull it off and you have any kind of event you might be able to make back a few million dollars on food and beverage and you know sponsorship payments agreements about merch. Okay so people arrived shit hits the fan. Does billy basically disappear hot on as far as I was concerned. Yeah he's gone. So there you were with this huge workforce that hadn't been paid production staff that had been paid the human government that hasn't been paid in a bunch of stranded festivalgoers. How I know you know you kind of talked about in the documentary? You know all you had to deal with and whatnot but you were there for what seven days after the initial arrival of these guests. Yeah Yeah we've got in the documentary. I think so no I mean I know there's a part where we see you like kind of getting an earful from some of the workforce how they they have no money I mean like didn't they strike it can come down and be like hello. WHO's GONNA pay us? Yeah so I mean there was like you know again. There's it's like why did you stay. But also there's a team of you know at that point and grow until like thirty production stuff plus all of the bar staff everyone right more woman. Percents of commodity moderate yeah. Marianne role ratio lived on the island. She was great You know and so we had it mess to clean up We basically on that guests arrived on Thursday. They called cancel on Thursday afternoon. The more guess would arrive. There is somewhere something like eleven hundred people bull on the island and we worked with the charter company to To basically take everyone home the next day so we spent basically all night and all day Thursday into Friday figuring out the quote unquote evacuation plan. you know. We had an unpaid security I We had A bunch of rich millennials Airman insecure site with You know colored one hundred local workers that haven't been paid that we're really pissed off. Danger was possible. Excel dangerous at the time you know. It really did I remember when you know the group that was protesting. Qingdao like half of the production staff. Look like all the I mean. It's funny you just being like with sexist but the women all left And Billy Assad will but does that not make you mad. That seems that seems ridiculous. Yeah of course I like smell it now not mad at the time. Yeah it was like who is this. This guy had you come to expect it right. Well you'd think well you serving time. So are you surprised. No one was sir physically hurt throughout all of this be it and I don't just mean like you know the riot sewing god-like punched I mean because of the just in livable condition. It was really you know really stroke of luck. I think that no one got hurt and no testament to everyone for turning it around and and getting everyone out of there quickly You know that was that was I think that was like it's it's weird but that Friday that Friday night when the last night went off at like three in the morning I just remember I think it was me and my friends Isabelle. Where like crying at the airport and it was kind? Do this odd strange moment of pride With which that's a weird thing for people I think to understand right like you just just you just help enable when this like huge mess Like how can you feel any sense of pride but I just kind of like you. You know we we had worked our asses off done our best and then stuck around when we had nothing for it just to make sure that everyone got off dialing safely. Now it's far enough from this whole documentary stuff that I can say this because to say this I think at that time you know at this time. Seven months ago You know might have sounded like insensitive or I don't know I don't even know what the right word I'm looking for his but we were it was just you guys were trying to make sure that people were okay like it felt it felt meaningful okay. So here's kind of how I see. See that like you know how people were talking a little profile about going after like the models you know what I'm talking about so that that Ah was always seemed to always seemed a little crazy to me just because you know. I know that if I get called in to audition for some commercial and I'm actually booked for it. I first of all I'm booked by a casting director not the CEO of that company. I don't know anything about the company I mean it's not my that's not what I'm being hired for the way you guys now. You had more of an inside look a little bit but really. It's the same principle of your being brought in to to do a job you know you don't you don't know how when you came in. You didn't actually know how long they've been working on it. You didn't know like what condition condition it was in. And then you did your best so it's not like I can see why you'd say people might see it as insensitive but I you know really I feel like everyone is a victim Kim here of billy. A billion to whoever knew what the real situation was. Yeah I mean I struggle with that with that description too. I think it got something that the documentary's really honed in on was billions billing but also project defies them or put a little bit on the pedestals. Well right it's like this weird thing because I don't know if he's just like genius mastermind He's like he's a kid who got in over his head and just and flexed his morals morals to the extreme to survive. And there's a part of the documentary. I think it might have even when they were actually just like down when John Rule and billy and the models were down there just partying were. Billy actually says to his friends. Were selling pipedream to your average loser. Asshole there's no doubt about that but he says is that not knowing. He's being taped so that to me actually says you know. In a way he kind of was just exactly what you said. He's just this this kid. WHO's you thinks? He's so cool and so rich and so smart and he's really just selling an invisible product sometimes literally. I mean like selling doing these villas that don't exist. Yeah I mean the real shocker was when I when I you know. I haven't spoken to the director after our interview and she told me you're never going to believe this footage that we have and I was like what are you talking about. He's like you have to come in and see this so I was in New York and I went to You know the production in house and I saw what became that. VIP access footage. I think that's really what answer any question of like the character of Billy Wright You know the fact that he was clearly defrauding people by selling you know Keller Swick meet and greets and Victoria's secret after party Passes and things like that that he didn't actually hold no none of exist. I mean that I think you're right that makes it obvious but even it's because like in a way even when you even if it's a negative when you you know it's like similar to what we do with our president. Did you know you empower people when you when you put them on this pedestal. Even if it's negative attention that you're giving them so like the genius. Mastermind narrative is well does more harm than good. Well Yeah I mean. I don't know if I would consider him. Jesus I think the genius I think that was that was going well. That was kind of his kind of his. He kind of gave off this aura of looking like this genius entrepreneur but really he was selling nothing like he was selling. I mean I guess if there was anything genius him it was his way to get people to believe in him and invest in him. I I mean he had real investors giving him real money real huge amounts of money which is I guess that's his talent quote unquote load. John Josh Wolff is I think. He's in New York based venture capitalist Bucks Capital and he you know on a podcast recently. They're few months ago that I listened into an loved where she was talking to Shane Parrish about you know the characteristics that he looks for an entrepreneurs and he said you know look the the best indicator indicator of successful entrepreneurs their ability to tell a good story and the best entrepreneurs are or the best retailers. Here's the rug. The Best Connor. Stir also the best right so you know. Our job is to kind of tell the difference between the two and I think that's that's really what it is right like even and and I think this is part of like a big trend as you as you nailed right Theranos we work. I think more will come out In the near future she's kind of like self referential kind of capital flowing through the system. Right well you know. And it's it's crazy crazy about two days after viewing the documentary. I was attending this event at the glasshouse here in New York and all people jal rule was there. Now I mean seriously I just seen the documentary and here he was you know being himself living it up taking sell fees all that stuff and I thought to myself. I mean that was tough talking about someone who I felt he just came out with. I was GONNA ask you why we're talking about this. You know now this late in the game while you know while you wanted me to come on curious but Well John Did just happen to release a song called fire I read. What about this? I read about this yesterday or two days ago. He has a song called fire. I haven't listened to me neither. I wonder how many people have but do you because you actually. I think I heard some Show you're on where you said you kind of have sympathy for Josh. Do you feel like he was a victim. As well. I Kaz. He didn't actually know as much as it may be. People think well now that it's kind of all cleared up for him you know he didn't get got off like fine align right. I don't have as much sympathy for him. you know if he was gonNA get roped into criminal activity through this. I would have felt sorry for him because I just think you had no idea you know like like his role was similar to that of at least from what I can tell and I wasn't really involved with the fire company so you know there. Was that one phone call that they recorded awarded right where it's like it's it's not fraud. It's all marketing and raids. You really put his foot in his mouth with that. Like from the perspective of the festival like the men was you know he came to the island once and it was like riding around on Jetskis all day like gave a pep talk a brand ambassador. Yeah like in some ways. He he was he was. It was his role similar to the influencers in the model. That you mentioned I mean not expand but I also find it fascinating that everybody wanted to go after the bottles and influencers. Nobody wanted to go after the artist. Because you you know what's the difference you put your nuclear name on an event. You don't really know what's happening and for the event whether you're in you're in the marketing campaign or you're on the marketing materials. I thought that was an interesting distinction. That people seem to make. Yeah I think people are just just so desperate for somebody to blame somebody to kind of get revenge on. Yeah I mean really well. That's the irony of the whole thing too because it does not irony but like the story was built on you know envy and it was kind of torn down by shot employed And just in my opinion with most fascinating about a fire. Not even the billy character. It's really it's really. Its place in kind of the current Zeitgeist of The types of emotions that drive the content that gets picked up on by media right social media and otherwise it's like it's completely driven by our base emotion. Tryst on Harris called it a race to the bottom of the brain stem. Like it's just it's just the stuff that works stuff that that gets US enraged inched or the stuff that makes us desire and this was just like the perfect representation of that phenomenon bright If you're just joining us we're talking to mark Weinstein of the fire festival and the fire documentary. So did you so after billy disappeared. Did you talk to mm-hmm at all between the that day of the guests arriving. I haven't spoken abilities since he left. I sent me an email. I was like no. This is the work that I did was. Would you owe me. Here's your bill so I mean but a few weeks later after the festival the FBI comes knocking on your parents door. turns is out. Turns up really wasn't just an overly ambitious guy with delusions of grandeur. He was actually committing federal crime. Wire fraud he'd been defrauding outing investors. Were you surprised to hear all that. No I mean I I think I mentioned in the documentary but I You know the cruise ship that we got offered to bring two hundred some odd people back to Miami the day that we were trying to get people on planes and we weren't sure if we have aww planes do runs for everyone and so You know we were kind of in panic mode and do it and I was like okay. This is a good opportunity. Charity in through one of the production managers Sent the message out to billy who taught I don't know where he was but You know the call came back like yeah. Let's do it. Tell them we'll send them a wire and the owner of the cruisers like absolutely not. I need cash in the bank by five. PM otherwise it's not going to happen. I said why so the last Dan we gotta wire from Billy. It came you know week too late and the wire compromise. The wire transaction number is different than the one that we'd been set which means means at that point. It was clear that what billy doing was he was cutting and pasting. You know like screen. At least this is what I think was happening. Screen screen comes up the wires about to send it gives you all the details and then you have to quick send screen shot. That caught it and show Joe like wire co wire sent with the detail on without actually understanding it then that means hoping that he would be able to get more money flowing flowing in was that but when they okay so in that realization kind of hit you were you like Holy Shit. This is so much bigger than I thought. Not so much worse than I mean. Yeah it's pretty bad and Pisa started coming together. You know after the event as well during other other stories of people have been paid and how about hadn't been paid that thought they were sent money and you know the Wifi company had an issue. So jeeze I wasn't I was. I was not surprised. That's why when I contacted me I was like yeah. Of course I'll cooperate and send you everything right now. I don't have anything to hide in one thing. People kind of tend to forget is so fire media basically dissolved after that so all. Those people who've been working on the APP were just out of the job. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know out of a job countless production doubt that. I've got weeks on site. You know. Spent money on their travel things like that No no compensation. All the people on the island no compensation so there was you know there is a pretty pretty big negative impact on the whole thing. Were your parents surprise to get a knock on their door and have FBI agents looking for their son. They weren't there at the time. So here's Okay L.. Can sure there. They've been surprised by old thing anyways. Bill you were born and you're from New York. Are you from New York. Okay so since this this is all gone down. You've moved on with your life. You are currently in venture capital and you have your own podcast right. It's a the look up podcast. I started a podcast called look up After the documentary. And what's what's kind of focused on so look up You know in August seventeen after fire and one of the ways that I met the documentary producer. was I wrote this piece called lessons from the fire And I I was GONNA publish it with A company that actually called NYC DOT COM ended up releasing my name to the media even though they said everything was on a new names eyesore decided not to publish resemble restored and so they published it to medium and it kind of sat there You know 'cause no one knew about fire really cared that much of the time and it was basically just exploration of what I mentioned earlier which was like what is it that doubtfire can teach us in kind of the broader context of our culture or of our cultural moments and my assessment. was you know this was also pre kind of the criminal. You know allegations against. They'll even though I sent there was some bad things going on but I basically evaluating to what. What extent are we all like billy and twit extent? We kind of present this these avatars of ourselves in our online world That are not a full representation of of everything. That's going on behind the scenes or not even real representation of how how things are happening in our lives and And you know I I wanted to explore that on podcast like I wanted to explore Would I now call the attention economy and all the house Unforeseen consequences of of what social media has become today. And so that's what look up represents you know we all spend so much time looking down at our phones myself included You know I I want to offer people kinda clear Chris view of every every in every way how we're being You know how our consciousness in our attention to being guided and potentially manipulated by you know by these platforms because that is and I think you mentioned this at some point Social media is how fire caught on. And it's kind of fire you know lived as long as it did. And is also hellfire was exposed as sham. Yeah exactly I mean. I didn't have the vocabulary for it at the time but I think the center for humane technology and the work that they're doing is just a clear you know it's it's so clear that there's problem is real right like what it's doing to our politics You know just the tribalism and rage that gets stirred Online Andy and jealousy. Mass depression I don't I don't think these are technology issues. I think they're human issues that are massively exacerbated by the technology that we use and You know when left unchecked or at least unexplored there's damaging consequences so that was kind of the initial intention of look up was to explore those subjects to talk to people that researchers and entrepreneurs on the frontline's trying to make a change And now I'm kind of broadening out into into other subjects as well and that's the look a podcast. I'm sure people can find it on Apple Apple podcasts and spotify in anywhere podcasts are one thing I wanted to ask you about because I forgot to mention it so there were these two documentaries. That came out doc on the same week and the Hulu documentary you. I think we're contacted about but you didn't want to participate in for one reason I think thing is because billy was paid to be in it. Is that correct. Yeah exactly so. When it came to my attention they were trying to reach out to a bunch of production stuff? They finally reached out to me. I had already heard that they had a contract with billy. They paid him for his life. Rights you know I asked the question. Very directly equi Did you pay billy. They kind of skirted the issue and said they. They didn't pay him for the interview and I was like well. Did you pay him. And then they explained what what a life rights deal is so billy Wright's book. Still you know previous God of Fire Book that he wants to write or whatever What story wants wants to do that? Oh yeah there was a there was news like six months ago that billy was writing a book from prison called God of fire permit Ius with a why God's sake cheeses you can't make this shit up I mean like clinical narcissism. Geez you know what it gets rewarded. It gets it gets fantasized on via documentary. Right we make we make heroes out of villains and vice versa. But at least he's in prison. I mean like when you mention the president. That's the case. I can't get over because I do and I don't certainly mean to make this political but I do feel like he is very much in that same vein of kind of just saying how greedy isn't saying he does all all these unbelievable things saying things that are just stupid but also falls and at least at least in jail you know what. But in both instances right the media you know like what the famous line. There's no such thing as bad press right. I think that's what both of these people you buy like. That's really mantras. Essentially writing fill me doing told me defrauding customers want to capture everything. He often higher he would bring people in he hired are no the hired. He had no money to pay them but towards the end of the documentary. You know he brings people in to film him committing meeting that. VIP thing yeah. That's why we take absurd But yes so mental condition. It's a case study a case study of narcissism and delusion but with trumpets. It is crazy it does scare me a little bit. Because you're right it does look like you can become famous. You can become kind of lionised. Hell you could be the president of the United States for being an asshole. Yeah I think I think like this has been written about but I think something you know. Trump was prepared for all of this via the apprentice. Yeah he he was able to kind of craft this identity for himself your media and that's one of the interesting things about having experienced these these two documentaries and see the reaction to then and the way that they both told the same story but there's a different set of heroes and villains and knowing Matt you know the director of fire the Netflix on has four and a half hours of footage from our interview. I also well aware that could have portrayed me anyway that he wanted to Anybody can become the billing or the hero in in. We're kind of modern media. Cycle quotes are taken out of context. you know it's just that's why I love podcast because I think there's so much more nuance what's in and you know rationality around like around that fact that life is much more nuanced than than headliner soundbite. And that's You know personally what we talk about on look up as well it was like how do we. How do we go back to a world where there's like there's common we're we're finding common ground and move forward mature allure finding common ground definitely? Well okay so kind of wrap up here have you. I know you're working in venture capital but are you kind of have you kind of shunned off the World of Event Planning and Music Festivals. And all that stuff or do you think maybe I'll dabble in it again some day or you kind of spurned. Never say never but You know it's just a really really tough business. I mean the biggest. The biggest challenge with immense is. The weather is entirely out of your control. Oh so you can work so so so hard and then you have a weather. Event Interest Ruins everything. We're talking about spending a year planning a three day festival and all of your work on right I mean insurance is really costly and often doesn't pay out so that in itself. There's like you know you wanna work businesses that you can control as many of the important variable hospital 'cause Missouri so much out of your control. I love events offense or you know you bring people together. It's like the opposite of our online world because it's this Petri dish of of cultures and people all coming together around a shared passion or love music or time period in the case of Ninety S. Or you know or food is in the case of the infatuation investable in Brooklyn so it's like it's the best you get the best people think of working in an ice cream shop. Probably get see. You had to see mostly happy people. Yeah I mean who comes to the ice angry. Maybe there's a there's a there's a Louis. CK sketch about Him waiting minus it at a a Cinnabon God hall which I thought was pretty funny. I just yeah. Yeah just like you know. You've been on one of those lines. It's actually a lot of people so I don't know who knows. Maybe working. An ice cream shop is great adventure. Great thanks bottomline. Events are great. You see people in person. Shut me off. Do you think though that moving forward having been through this whole experience. Do you think that you'll be able to recognize kind of a bullshitter easier. Do you know what to look out for. I mean look I. It's like that's like inviting many really really high quality bullshitters as possible to my doorstep guy can say bullshitter then. They're like all right well. Everyone's a bullshitter Kabq said yes You know I think there's certain things to look out for it but I would argue that. They're more it's more important to look inward At the way that you're interacting people so like you know I. I wrote a little bit about this as well. And there's really in my opinion two things one is if you're fixated waited on an outcome or desire so if that desire is I wanna be rich. Okay that's something that's that someone can take advantage of because you're really focused on that. If you're if desires I WANNA be famous or successful or I y you know you really want something you lose track of your the environment when you kind of get hyper focused on an outcome or attached to now come on. That's number one and number two is Number two is basically like trusting yourself. Right so like if you're if you're in a really challenging time time in your life it's much easier to get conned You know you you. We often like want to give responsibility over our decisions to other people making choices hard So I think you know I. It's easy to lose faith in yourself and then a con artists can kind of soup in and take advantage of that. Make themselves Ellsworth Authority. figure in your life You know anybody can become an authority figure like we. We do it all the time we're looking for. We're looking for prescription looking for advice. You know how how to lose weight how to know how to Meet right how to get the next best job how to sell a thousand copies of your record or gain on how to gain followers. You know like there's no shortage of information products out there. That's the new craze signed but this email you'll get the free first edition and it's like all of a sudden you're paying a hundred and fifty dollars a month to for some to tell you how to be the best version of yourself. We all we all want that grew. I mean look it's I'm I'm I'm a yoga instructor as well like I saw firsthand. How I've seen firsthand how you know? People don't go to yoga teacher training. If they're not searching for something for the most part right so look at the documentaries look it while the country look at the Newbie chrome documentary commuter similar situations people go susceptible to to manipulation because they're searching for something and if you have that whole someone's going to come keep trying to fill it toward you So it's I think it's important like one again one you know move that fixation and attachment Outcomes and then to trust herself right like look look within yourself for answers. I think that sound advice. Thank you all right. Well thanks so much for being on the show People should look up the look podcast. It's the look up. PODCAST DOT COM. You can find it Our follow mark on twitter. His handlers work mind Stein. That's W. W. A. R. C. N. I. N. S. T. E. I N. Mark. I really didn't appreciate it and gave me that name is mark wind was taking. I don't know yeah I think it might have been. I was like what should my instagram. It'll be like fifteen two years ago or however long who knows like forever ago I have to say you know you seem like because you're you know do the Yoga and you're doing you know with community and consciousness and stuff and yet you work in finance which a lot of times people think you know the finance world is so right wing and conservative and stuff and Vincent. You're a good example that it doesn't always have to be and you know people knowing about the economy and money and stuff. It doesn't always mean they're on the right. I don't know yeah all right or you know or or don't care about people other people right. I like that's actually. That's important to hold. I think to be able to hold anyways. I've been talking too much. It's been a pleasure. aww I really do appreciate you taking the time and We'll we'll put all your instagram and twitter stuff on our facebook page. Yeah Absolutely thank you so much things. We've been talking to mark Weinstein. 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