19 Episode results for "Ann Rogers"

Sinking In

Around the Horn

08:47 min | 7 months ago

Sinking In

"Gene Bill page making an appearance with where. You've been what I've been right here. I've moved in two months. This is what he said. I would center around the world and I don't have a new button on the sports tradition. Make God go the release buddy. Cincinnati bengals today is expected by. At least it's come towards tension. The New England Patriots might have an opening at the quarterback position. So let's go round. That Horn Dalton is available Cam. Newton has been available for over a month currently on roster Jarret Stidham. Brian Foyer and Bill Bell Dog Sarahspain. You've got thirty seconds to convince Bella Check on Dalton or maybe Newton or sticking with stem and and Nike. The Dog. Go ahead. I got no problems with sticking with Nike Dog. That's for sure. It's obviously a risk to go with. Jared's didn't who says unproven as the is backed up by JED BY BRIAN. Hoyer but I don't. I don't think there's that much of a difference between Hoyer Dalton right now who has been seriously slipping in recent years. I also think financially. It's just not reasonable to expect the Patriots to go out and get these names that people keep saying they have one point seven million cap space right now. Andy Dalton was sent to earn a base of seventeen and a half this year cam. Newton's coming off a twenty year average salary. They might WANNA take Jameis Winston deal but I sincerely doubt it and I think the Patriots want to show you that. They can draft at this position the way they have recently and that they're going to be fine and if it goes terribly wrong. Guess where they'll be sitting next year with some pretty Nice quarterbacks on that draft Mark Sarahspain Bill. Plachy what do you? How do you advise him? Though I can't see belching tanking for a draft pick at all I see them desperately needing backup quarterback dolls. Not The answer. He's another Hoyer but I think Cam Newton's answer I don't understand I still don't understand why they don't talk to Cam Newton. They can bring them in there. Yes it'll be Jameis Winston type of make good contract a lot less money than what nunes making. But it's a lot more than he's making right now on the open market and he'll have a chance in time to Rehab. His body heals chance to rehab his image. You can chance to work in the Patriot way. Work with Josh mcdaniel. So I think it's a IT'S A. It's a win win to get Cam Newton in there. That's the answer to them. You think you can make the money work in New England with just that one and a half million and cap space interesting. Woody page now. Here's your big chance. What are you telling Bill Belichick? Well tell these. Two panelists tours steamed that. They're both wrong. We're looking at it from the standpoint of the Patriots. I'd rather look at it from the standpoint of the two quarterbacks why would they want to go to New England and be third street or second-string and really have to compete for a starting spot? Why don't you hear Andy Dalton or Cam Newton? You don't have to take one point seven million dollars. You could actually wait. We know that they're going to be starting quarterbacks in the League they're gonNA get hurt and they could be brought into camp halfway through or start the season. Don't you think that based on history the NFL guys get hard backups? And starters and I would just hold my ground if I'm one of them or both of them and say I'm GonNa get a chance. They're going to have to pay me my money to dolls bill as a possible destination because he ever history with Jay Gruden who was the OC there. But what is New England? Or what are you going to answer the question here? What is New England? Do they stick with what they look around? During the course of training camp find somebody that is cut by team. We're still take these you know. Once they always say in law and order the judge I'll allow page L. Allow your ad so you know you beg to disagree but begging disagrees with you. You're going to get the points and we'll move on by ourselves here. We go gras says now he was joking then what you said he got the buccaneers Flav. Vote two weeks before actually joining the team. Woody I'll start with you around the horn. Which do you believe that I believe in the latest crop? I I think that he was joking to a group of people just like the three of us joke when someone asks us at a party when we go to one. What do you think Tony Reality? We'd go that's exactly what he did. He got the play laid. He's just having fun that's what he does in life. That's what he does what he comes back to. Football don't flashy. Oh what a surprise. Woody two players air. America's most cheating franchise would cheat. Of course he's not telling the truth. Of course he got the playbook for weeks ago. That's when Brady sign. I'm sure the minute he signed said here. Here's the playbook. What do you think complete with me? I don't think do anything about. It seems very petty right now and irrelevant the bigger picture. But let's let's don't be naive. Let's don't be naive cheating. I'm sure you've got latchkey. Says after say it's announcing it with being neon letters? Okay Sarah Spain would still sounds pretty. Yeah I mean we do know that Gronk right after Brady sign with Tampa Bay started to have those calls. See if he wanted to join into. It's not out of the question particularly as bill points out. Because this is America's cheating franchise. I also think it's very possible. He was joking. The setup was sage. Deal asking him know. Joe Boroughs got the playbook for the bengals book weeks before being drafted has it memorized and he said well. I already know the bucks playbook and I didn't even writing wasn't even on the team yet. This sounds like a very good thing. He also said. I hope it's made up of drawings so I know what I tend to agree with you. Sarah. America's most cheating franchise or you're trying to trademark that or or Spain is that everybody knows it gets truth all right well. Spain's getting the point and everybody knows bill. He's getting his picture taken freeze. Y'All Sarahspain woody pays here. We go off Brett. Farr saying now after talking to Aaron Rodgers bed he wouldn't be surprised. Rodgers wound up playing somewhere else. Other than the packers and everything. That's gone down this off season in what is put in motion. Everyone's all over this because it's so juicy how it just kind of looks like it did twenty years ago with Barbara Ann Rogers Sarahspain. I'll ask you first. You believe this intrepid reporter Brett Farr. With the scooby has rogers could leave. I absolutely do. We said I talked to him. I'm not going to say what we talked about. But I can see why he'd be very disappointed and I think he's going to play somewhere else. Okay Brad while. I'm pretty sure that's probably what you talked about that. Not In the next two years. It's cost prohibitive for the team and for them but between those two year after that when they can get a look at love and they can get cap space back for my thing. He goes elsewhere. Yes Sir you're absolutely right because who does end up with the same team in the Tar Career Philip Rivers. No Tom Brady now. Peyton manning no so the greatest moving on so why would he move on? And I'm sure that far was the one pushing the scenario saying I think you need to go somewhere else just like I did worked out where almost went back to the Super Bowl. So Yeah I believe as Sarah does and you can give her the credit about. Why don't you give us each have I would like to have? Is that what you want? Sarah Goshi ending mentioned era split. I'll take what he's negotiating. Power here you have fifteen seconds of facetime very goal Sarah. You're going to have a win. Fifteen seconds of facetime. If anybody's seen this beyond say Meghan the stallion remix. How is this dropping what we can't go anywhere celebrated and danced together to it? I'm going to go to the park. I'M GONNA blast it dance by myself to go right. And that's fifteen seconds page. You talk yourself into a half a win. Go ahead yeah. Everybody's criticizing Brady even grog. But let's give some credit to Tom Brady. He was involved in the all in challenge and there was an auction for either going to work out with a or going out to dinner with him and somebody bid eight hundred thousand dollars. I think that was a grand accomplishment for Brady and for the bidder if you will and the and the charity now even thank you. It's good to be back stat. Keeping here Sarah Record in what is now up to what a quarter of a win. This is just incredible. How about thirty percent win one hour fifty minute break guys tomorrow? I want you to tell me what these parties not closing the show.

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Best Of (Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, End of the Brady era, Aaron Rodgers, Over/Under)

First Things First

30:35 min | 11 months ago

Best Of (Lamar Jackson in the playoffs, End of the Brady era, Aaron Rodgers, Over/Under)

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Nick Will Lamar's MVP magic continue against the titans this weekend will that General Wolfe is the question that will determine the entire NFL playoffs. We'll Lamar continue to be the player in the postseason. He was in the regular season. If the answer is yes then. I'd like to congratulate the Baltimore Ravens on their Third Super Bowl Championship since they've come back since they went to Baltimore because then no one's going to beat them. If Lamar is the same guy in the postseason then you can't beat. This is team right now since week. Six Atop to defense in football over the course of the year they have a top five defense in football the Marcus Peters trade energize them earl. Thomas took him a few weeks to kind of get a sea legs beneath them being with the new franchise for the first time in his career. And now he's back to being earl bleeping. Thomas and I Mark Ingram dealing dealing with an injury but he returned to practice that if the Ravens continue to do in the postseason through Lamar what they did in the regular season that you you have no viable path to victory. Now what do I think will happen. I think Lamar will be good in the playoffs. I do not think he will be the. MVP of the plan. I think that you will have a number of factors. One is his lack of playoff experience. Another is the the ability for teams to drill down specifically perfect. The titans have known if we if we beat the Patriots. They knew they were playing Baltimore no matter what because the only round game they could play. I guarantee you've had coaches on that staff since week. Seventeen preparing for Baltimore preparing to deal with this very unique offensive scheme. What Greg the Romans doing with Lamar and I would imagine what they are going to do is say we will tip our cap to you? If you're receivers beat us but we are going to. We are going to put all all of our attention on the middle third of the field. We're GONNA put all our attention on your running game and on your tight ends and if Willie snead in Hollywood Brown have huge games which simultaneously have had huge games all year long. Then we're GONNA lose but that the question will be if that is what they give you. Can Lamar make those throws consistently. We know he has the ability to. It's no longer a question. Does he have the ability to throw the ball downfield. How effective will he be in the biggest game of his career career this weekend and then one even bigger if they win it the following weekend against Kansas City? Listen we see this one to say I think the Tennessee. Titans have to try to force Lamar Jackson. The ball down the field and outside of the numbers. I think that's the only way you have a fighting chance mismatch. You talked about Tennessee. Titans knowing what's coming you can know what's coming instill still catch a beatdown. Yeah I mean. Boxers knew what was coming with Mike Tyson in his prime in the late eighties and early nineties. There was nothing they can do about it. They were going to get knocked out inside of three rounds. The Baltimore Baltimore Ravens. have that same bully type of mentality especially when it comes to their offense being able to run the football what. I'm interested to see. How might rebel has gone to match up with his his personnel? Is he going to go out there with base defense or is he going to go out there with nickel because if you go out with base you're going to have trouble keeping up with the speed of the Mark Jackson and those running backs in the run game if you go out there nickel yet that makes you faster overall on defense but are you going to be able to hold up with the physicality at the point of attack. That's win. The tight ends in the ravens offense. Come into play because you have Mark Andrews. Yeah Nick Boileau and you got Hayden hearse and all those guys as much as we talk about them being great receivers they're all in line blockers and you can create some interesting formations four defenses to go up against so it'll be interesting. How my able sees it? And what he thinks just gives him the best chance to slow that rushing attack down Chris. So much of this game is gonNA come down to like nick. Said how Lamar shows up this weekend. Here's a guy who is a young player still still coming off the tough loss last season having insane season this year. What's as a player? What's the week like for him? At how quiet all that noise and prepare for arguably the biggest game of your entire career. Here's the thing I think him having that experience in his rookie year is going to pay. Dividends was a negative experience negative. Because he actually you got to feel it. The intensity the overall speed of the game in the playoffs all ratchets up but not because it's winner go home so having that understanding and knowing what those emotions are going to feel like when you come out there There's nothing that can compare can prepare you for unless you've actually been out there and you've done it and so I think it's a tremendous advantage for the ravens to have him have that experience in his rookie year because now I just feel like the group around him. His is tailor made to fit his skill set and he's in a position now because of the experience and because of the confidence that he's gained from his regular season performance that you can go out there and get the best version of the Mar.. Jacks and the other question is going to you about Ross. Lamar's play two games since December thirteenth. Okay so On sorry he's played one teams. Play two games since December thirteenth because they played on a Thursday today and that Lamar's only played one of those games because he rested in week. Seventeen so you have and you also have an element at the end of the year after that San Francisco Buffalo Stretch. It was. Jets Cleveland. Pittsburgh then they you rest everyone in week. Seventeen Pittsburgh then you have a bond and so it's been a long time for Baltimore since they played a playoff level team now throughout the year. A cyberman can't city. They whooped every playoff level team. They played and beat every playoff level team. They played with really only San for Cisco giving them a real close game they annihilated Houston they annihilated New England but I do wonder how much rust will be a factor because Tennessee's only way to win is to jump out on early. If Tennessee falls down ten nothing you you can turn. The Gamov. Wouldn't turn like Tennessee cannot come from behind in this football game. They have to hope that Lamar and that offense is a little rusty that they do take a little bit to get in sync. That's the only chance they got in. This is such a good point because it's Tennessee. Who's actually you become off the momentum in this match we talk about physical fitness Salah? But there's another the other side of the game that's just as important. I'm talking about mental fitness. Calm the number one APP for sleep and meditation has now teamed up with Lebron James to help you train. Lean your mind Lebron and calm know that your mind is like any other muscle in your body and calm can help you train your brain so you sleep better see so you have less stress so you perform at your best for Lebron. James Sleep is an important part of his mental fitness routine. He says getting good sleep and finding meantime to rest is one of the most valuable things I can do for my body and mind and if you head to calm dot com slash sports forty. 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Obviously you can't tell your guy that I just WanNa six Super Bowl and the game before the Super Bowl let a fourth quarter comeback on the road. We you know we you your service. No longer needed here so I understand why they didn't do do that. But Yeah of course bookie books Brooks is right. The vagaries with or without Tom Brady are not going to be a championship level. Team next season. We you can't whether you agree with me. That Brady is on the severe downtick or with the people that disagree with that and just say it's all the pieces around him either way. That's that's not fixed in one off season. The Patriots traded their second round pick for receiver. They don't have an aging roster with a lot of pending free agent. You know they don't overpaying free agency. They're not all of a sudden into a huge departure of what they've done in years past which is not going to win now when now we're gonNA sign contracts so whether it's because Brady is done or the roster stinks you can't fix you certainly can't fix the first and it's not patriots. Dow To try to fix the second to microwave it so Either way you're not containing Brazil twenty twenty so we'll put you in the best position to compete for a super bowl in twenty one or twenty two or twenty three to start art the next era of Patriots'll as soon as possible. It's a harsh decision. It's a tough decision but it's the type of decision. canty Bella Check has always made we we always say he wants to be a year earlier than a year late will. He can't be a year early anymore. What are you certainly can be a year or two late? If he relents to the pressure from from above that I think there will be from. Robert Kraft to give a quarterback that after week three after week. Three was a bottom six in all statistical categories quarterback in this league twenty five to thirty million dollars a year starting next season which is reportedly with Tom. Brady is going to be asking for well. We know there's going to be pressure from abroad because if bill the attack had his way and then Jimmy Garoppolo wouldn't be playing for the forty nine. He'd be the starting quarterback for the New England Patriots and Tom Brady Chapter of Patriots. Football would already be closed. But I mean Tom Brady at this stage he wants to be respected. Which is why I think? He has their claws. And his current contract that doesn't allow the Patriots Franchise them the way you show a player that you respect respect ability is how you pay him and Tom Brady for the better. Part of this decade has been on an under market deal at his position so at this stage. It's about trying to get. Would he deserves but I don't think bill is in a hurry to pay. Tom Brady market value especially the way that offense looks this past year now you mentioned all the potential losses that that they have or the decline in personnel at the skill positions. You also gotTA consider potentially losing Josh mcdaniels. WHO's been Tom? Brady's coordinator for all but two of his years. Here's in New England so I think that could be potentially a big loss if he decides to take over the job with the Cleveland browns so fall those different reasons. It seems like it will point to Tom. Brady being out the door but I don't know who. The Patriots Alternative is at the quarterback position. Who's going to be the successor? Four Tom Brady. Is it going to be Jarret. STIDHAM SCHORR it didn't look Brady when he played in spot duty and regular season. So that's my only question about Tom Brady. And whether or not the Patriots are going to run it back with him. Who's going to be as replacement placement? I mean you do have some young quarterbacks that will be on the free agent market Jameis Winston. Marcus Mariota Ryan Tannehill Teddy Bridgewater. We'll see a bill. Belichick is infatuated with any of them. But ultimately I think Tom Brady is the guy that probably gives you best the best chance to compete to win the division next year but I think the Patriots do have to address address the quarterback position in a real way this off season. I just don't think it'll mean at Tom. Brady is out the door quickly. One of the things we we haven't really been talking about is how tied in Tom. Brady's is to Josh mcdaniels. And how one if Josh stays. Does that help Tom. Brady maybe come back. It's hard to after twenty years to go to a new team a new offense new personnel. It's now new new everything. Well you wonder how close the two of that so I think it's a really good point and I actually talked to Joel this recently. Joe Said Lee you think Brady wants to spend his off season learning a new system right learning new personnel learning. These new things like no he wants to go on vacation wants to spend time with his family. But Josh mcdaniels leaves you're learning a new each system either way you're learning. I'm sure they will implement a lot of the same things. And Brady's not GONNA follow him to Cleveland. Obviously now if the charges were to force out Anthony Lynn in in order to Brady mcdaniels package deal and by the way. I bet they would do that. Even though I think Anthony Lindsay good coach. I do the Josh mcdaniels. Leaving weighs more on the side of Brady also saying I want to leave myself but the point you make candy is a good one and it's one that I hear all the time which is who is his replacement. This is not a Montana too young of farve to Rogers a manning to look situation and I agree with that a thousand percent and I don't know who is replacement is what I do I know is when the Patriots declined to give him a contract extension. They knew who was on their roster. They knew was jeered them. Nobody else. They also knew who the pending free agents were. They when they could have made this a non-issue a year ago bill belichick looking at his roster and looking at the pending free agent crop. Said I don't want to give you a contract contract extension. So why would that change. Why would is feeling on that of chains when Brady just play the worst year of his career and the team success wise had the worst year? It's adding a decade. It's not like all of a sudden when they wouldn't give him a contract extension. They had Jimmy G.. They'd traded him a couple years ago. It's not like they had. They thought we have this great young quarterback but he blew out his his knee and week. Nine now you might not be ready to start the season. They knew what time it was when they when they refuse to Brady Contracting Cinch in in August so I don't don't know how much that affects their decisions just coming back here. First things first now joined by super the champ. Greg Jennings going to get you this morning Greg. Aaron Rodgers use your teammate. For seven seasons you helped him. Pat had his resume to the tune of two regular season. MVP's and a super bowl forty-five MVP but the packers have missed the playoffs. In back to back seasons and errands the numbers have been down during that stretch. No one wants to raise another Lombardi trophy this year. More than the Green Bay quarterback himself take a listen so my mind every day. I mean that's why we play the game and that's why you put in the time in the off season is why you do little things. It's to put yourself in this position where we are two games away from being able to compete for. That told me and I'm thirty. Six this is all about this. Is Gordon Opportunity for us. I feel like a lot of really good years left but you never know. A lot of things happen year to year. You know. We've had some great teams that have been injury away or You know play away from being special so wanNA make the most opportune new. Aaron Rodgers went into say. I know I'm much closer to the end than I am to the beginning of my career. I do get how important this is old. Yeah What what a second lombardi trophy do for Aaron Rodgers legacy? Oh well that's the only thing missing from and you might say we move the goalposts like he gets one now. What's missing is too well to get in the discussion that his talent rightfully should place him in which is the greatest cornerback ever not named Thomas? Almost Edward Patrick Brady. He's one championship away from being in that discussion. I'm not saying you'll be at the top of the discussion but he's in the room. Brady right now is in a room by himself I imagine. Listen I scotch. Maybe he's in the room by himself and he's going to be in their room by himself forever. Yes No. Nobody's ever going to be able to join him. But there's another room Joe Montana's in it Peyton Manning's in it. I have John Elway in it. That in a just guys in the last fifty years and those are the only is there. Brett Farve is in a room down the hall with Aaron and with drew brees and with Dan Marino. These are nice rooms. But you'd like to get to that next next one and to me those to me. The t the eight mess quarterbacks since the merger with respect to Brad sherline stock Troy Aikman Steve. Young that's your pyramid. Rogers jumps a level Rogers and the conversation. Some people were trying DAB a month ago is drew brees actually better than Peyton manning which is conversation. No one actually ever had while they were playing. No if Rogers wins another super bowl all have that conversation manning's got two of them but meaning got a second one when and it was not the prime of his career led by the defense. I know the five regular-season MVP the second most with three. and Rogers unlike manning his play is this level in the regular season and at this level in the postseason Payton's play was at this level in the regular season. Tick above Rogers. What about here in the postseason? So yeah he is a game or a game three games away a championship away. From at least having a credible argument the last fifty years on the second best ever do this in the modern era. I'm the second best. Whoever do this bike and make the case for that? That's what a second championship would do earn riders honors. And it would prove he can win without Greg Jennings which I need to see I love it I love it it would do wonders for his legacy when you when you look when when you look at what we talk about what would hurt his legacy. It's the lack of rings. Mr Lack of Super Bowl appearances. Forget winning is just not leaving getting there with his skill set in with the roster that they've had now we understand what they haven't had but we've always looked at him to be the x factor in more than enough to get back there at least and so going into the mindset of an Aaron Rodgers. A guy who always has had a chip on his shoulder. He's always playing with this. This would if or what did you say. Or what can I pluck out of the media or the press clippings that will drive me even more so when it does happen happening when I do make you look bad. I'm GonNa Kinda Jab at you a little bit. This would do that with all the opportunities that the Green Bay packers have. I've had that he feels and I was there for some of them that we let slip away in that window does not open too often. You know it it does not win it does open. It doesn't open all the way and so he sees an opportunity. where he he gets it he says it? I think about it all the time. Because he's experienced is not getting there and being so close in having the disappointment in letdown of men. Almost did it. And how great would it feel for him and I get it. He can say his relationship with Mike. McCarthy is great and it is probably good. I'm sure but he would love nothing more it then to get to a super bowl appearance and win one without Mike McCarthy. I share McCarthy's going bill first year. He's gone that would be that. That would be something that you couldn't write up. And he would. He would salivate at that opportunity. Well here's the thing when you look at Aaron Rodgers. We're talking about one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks x the game has ever seen I mean everybody's just trying to figure out why Rogers only had one play one game in the Super Bowl. Why hasn't he made it two conference championships and super bowls? More often. Being a talented a lot of it has to do with the organization not surrounding him with the requisite talent that it takes to compete at that level. I think that's why Green Bay moved off a Ted Thompson has their GM a couple of years ago because they recognize that they got to try to take advantage of Aaron Rodgers in the twilight of his career and for the better part of his prime. They haven't been aggressive in terms of being able to surround him with top tier talent. They didn't go out and free agency and spend a whole lot of money. This was one of the first all all seasons that they were active and Bryan Kuhn Stare. GM He went out and he signed the Smith brothers because he realized that. I can't ask Ann Rogers to win. Eight thirty five one. Shoot out every we single week but especially in the playoffs so the fact that this team can play a couple of different games and still be able to have success. I think it bodes well for him but back to the conversation. Where does this place Aaron Rodgers? If he's able to win another super bowl I think it puts him on Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks. When you consider that ain't a lot of quarterbacks that have multiple Super Bowl rings rings and multiple Super Bowl? MVP's having Aaron Rodgers gets right there at the top of that list. I mean you've got five quarterbacks that have multiple super bowl MVP's and Brady and in Montana beings. I think that that's that's the kind of rare air that you would put Aaron Rodgers in. I mean he would be with is Brady with Montana with Peyton manning I think he would be the fourth name on that list with all respect to John elway because this is how gifted Aaron Rodgers has been out his career and it would end forever. The Rogers farve debate which I know for a lot of us. We think Rogers's ascended past him the NFL one one hundred list just came out. Brett farve name was on it. Aaron Rodgers name was not so for some people maybe an older generation. I knew played with both of them. And it's nothing against Brett Farve you've to me it. Would I already think Aaron's better and has had a better career but far did get to the he one one loss one and it would. It would put a pin in that debate for all time but the the other element of this is for Rogers you the level of play off heartbreak. He he is suffered. I think is underrated. I think some of this I know is very touchy. Our fourteen. Th so there's he he's lost seven. Playoff Games played late. Eleven years in this league one year. They didn't lose a playoff game because they wanted all three years. They missed the playoffs his first season as a starter and then the last two years so those other seven years. How did they end three times? You get blown blown out the fifteen. And one year he got blown out the Colin Kaepernick. Running all over lambeau field year you get blown out and the Conference Championship game in two thousand sixteen when they went down to Atlanta and just could could not get off the field to get blown out but those other four losses three are overtime playoff overtime losses. First playoff game in his career. All all you guys on the offense didn't score forty five points. That's just good enough to get you. Beat fifty one forty five in overtime. They lose to cap again this time on a field field goal as time expires. Then you lose the onside kick game in overtime to Seattle. Then you're playing Arizona in a game. Where Rogers says too? Ill Mary's to force over time. And then laird for seventy five yards down to the goal line. Then they pitched three overtime playoff losses four losses on the final play of the game and three of those came in succession for thirteen fourteen. Fifteen you had three straight years your season indeed in walk off fashion that a level of heartbreak. I can't I can't speak to it. You guys both. Unfortunately well both being champions can speak to what it actually feels like for Rogers. I'm sure he feels like man. I should have been had my second championship already if this if that. I should've gone head to head with Brady back when Brady by the way only had three had lost two in a row that Seattle superbowl should have been our appearance and the whole narrative of everyone's different but it didn't happen and this best opportunity in a very long. It is best opportunity a tune in being real and I think Aaron is starting to get to the point where he's being realistic. He's no longer in. The twilight of his prime understands the importance of shoot. How much longer do I have let alone? How much longer is my abilities going to put us in a situation where we have this opportunity afforded to us and so with that all being said it is paramount that they take advantage of this opportunity? That's right in front of them. Yeah the Green Bay packers. The last twenty five years have experienced a level of privilege at the quarterback position that not too many franchises have it almost feels criminal that Rogers is only played in one super. Bs Time now. For a brand new segment we invented it in the last segment. It's it's called over under. We are the first television showed ever do a segment like this. We are no this is my all of them on solving the new to me. Lamar Jackson broke the single season rushing record this season. Lamar will look to continue. Can you that success on the ground against the titans they call themselves canny. Will Lamar rush for over or under one hundred yards Saturday. Go always over just because Martin Ingram is a little banged up yet. DECAF injury at the end of the regular season. I don't know how much volume he's going to get into rushing attack. But I do know that. Lamar Jackson accent is the head of the snake when it comes to the Ravens and their ground impound style. So I'M GONNA go with the Mark Jackson maybe he pulls the ball and keeps it a little more often than we've seen him do do the regular season. Because it's the playoffs when I go home I'm going to go under simply because I think Mike Roeber net defense in those guys understand the importance accordance of eliminating the big plays from Lamar Jackson allowing everyone else to do what they do if they beat you so so be it. But you can't let it be. Because Lamar Jackson Yeah. I'm also going to go under lamarcus. Lamar has been unbelievable. This year passing and rushing the football. He averaged seventy five yards per game on the ground. which is crazy crazy? I think he was six hundred. Twelve hundred yard rushing season. I expect right around that total around seventy five yards. One Hundred Yard rushing game in a playoff game by quarterback back. We've seen captain we saw victory would not a lot of instances of it so I say under for Lamar I works now now. I understand over on the other onto Texans Jackson and chase. It is a complex. You know it's a little tricky. Yeah we have very small producers. They came up with this. The game is projected to be high scoring and fast pace so Patrick Mahomes Arm should be showcased heavily. Chris canty will mahomes pass for over or under three and a half touchdowns on Sunday going over Jenna. I Home School light that Texans Secondary Who Texas defense is suspect. Now I know they got the emotional boosting getting. Jj Watt back last week in him and Whitney Mercilus made huge plays in the second half the game. But I don't think they're going to see mahomes out there this week. especially with the revenge factor in them losing to the Texans in week six. This is going to be a different chiefs offense because Sammy Watkins will be back on the field. I think Pat Mahomes takes full advantage of having a full complement of his weapons. I say under for every reason you just said because as an offense that is electric in that can put up a lot of points. Sometimes you watch that film and you see that opposing defense and you like ooh that's going to be day to day and then you get out there and it just just doesn't quite work out the way you thought. I think they'll put up a lot of points three and a half now going under Patrick Mahomes from throwing. At least four touchdown passes in this game. V doesn't have to play the fourth quarter of all the teams that made the playoffs. Both conferences the team the chiefs. If they could have picked one to play they would have picked the Houston Texans more so than the buffalo bills certainly more so than Tennessee more so than any of the teams in the NFC. The Texans Jackson secondary is a disaster. That is the one unit on your team. You can not be a disaster against a healthy. Finally Patrick mahomes chiefs offense. Offense got their offense lineman back. They didn't have when they played them in week six. Patty has an enormous game on Sunday. Morning I think what it was sorry about that all right seahawks wide receiver decay. Metcalf was Seattle's Kiro last weekend. The White House finished with a rookie playoff record. One hundred sixty receiving yards. It's on seven catches to go along with a touchdown so canny will make caffeinated with over or under one hundred receiving yards against the pack. I'm going over Jenna. No I've gone over all of these but I'm going over. Just because the seahawks they were a run center offense in the regular season but because they're running back through all banged them. They've been forced to drop back in total ball. I know you say that Ed plays into their strengths. Russell Wilson Forty drawbacks last week in decay. Metcalf had a huge game. I'll look to see the same formula employed by the seahawks in terms of their game plan and trying to move the ball that packers defense decay. mccafe's going to be a huge part of their. I'm with you. I'll go over as well for every reason you just said. I think this is how they have to to win with their running backs getting injured. I get it you gotta be smoke. But he's not gonNA give you that type of production that Carson Penny was giving you. They have to win in the the air on Russell Wilson's arm and decay metcalfe's going to be a huge part of that. I'm going over as well for maybe slightly different reasons because I don't think Seattle is going to win but I do think Russell Wilson's GonNa play better better than he has. Historically played at Lambeau. I also think that. They saw their best chance to move the football down. The field is de que. Metcalf half go running nine rows and the good luck packers defense and slowing them down slime. Also if the weather's bad all of you taking the over the snow can help the passing attack your quarterback strong enough bar benders can't change directions. The wider the rain. Be Bad for pets. Thank you for listening to the first things first. PODCAST remember. Leave us a review and tell us what you think. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple podcasts and catch us on F s one Monday through Friday. Six Thirty A._M. Easter.

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259: Opus from Space

The Slowdown

05:00 min | 1 year ago

259: Opus from Space

"I'm Tracy case and this is the slow down. Have you ever noticed the way. Life clings to life babies and baby. Animals seem so happy everything around them in is an occasion for all going about the business of taking it all in seems from the outside to be an irresistibly delightful hateful game they wriggle and toddle. They giggle even as they stumble everything they do seems to announce I made it. I'm here life is a party and I'm the guest of honor. Sometimes when my own children's Joie de Vive reaches a frenzy I think of the she lions. I've seen sometimes on nature programs. The ones whose cubs are nipping and clawing being an prancing. For no reason other than that. They're so happy to be alive and I understand why those mothers sometimes turn toward their offspring and let loose a terrifying roar. As if to say you're alive we get it now sit still oh mama just needs a moment of peace one afternoon sitting on a bench in Dublin. My daughter called my attention attention to a pigeon who was missing claw. It gave me a faint feeling in the chest to think of how he might have suffered such a loss but he made his way walking on the one good foot and the other stomp. He was nearly as quick as the other birds. At snatching up the breadcrumbs as we dropped. Today's poem is opus from space by Pantheon Rogers with linguistic stick vigor and music it conveys the end of fatigability zeal for life that fills the known universe Oba's from space by Patty Ann. Rogers almost everything I know is glad glad to be born. Not only the desert orange tip on the twist flower or Tanzi shaking birth moisture from its wings but also the naked Warbler nesting head. Wavering towards sky and the honey possum the pygmy possum blind signed hairless thimbles of forward press and part almost everything I've seen pushes toward the place piece of that state. As if there were no knowing any other the violent crack and seed propelling shot of the witch Hazel pod. God The philosophy implicit in the inside out seed thrust of the wood sorrel. All Hairy Salt Cedar seeds are our single minded in their grasping of wind and spinning for luck toward birth by water. And I'm fairly shocked to consider all the bludgeoning 's and batterings going on continually the head ramblings wing fuhrer's and beat cracking 's fighting for for release inside gelatinous shells leather shells calcium shells or rough horny shells legs exist shoulders knees and elbows flail likewise against their womb walls everywhere in pine forest niches seepage seepage banks and boggy prairies among Savannah grasses on woven mats and perfumed linen sheets mad zealots. It's everyone even before beginning. They are dark dust congealing of pure frenzy to come to light almost everything I know rages to be born the obsession. Founding itself explicitly in the coming bone harps and ladders the heart thrusts vessels and voices of all those speeding with clear and total fury toward this singular honor. The slowdown is a production of American public media. Young in partnership with the Poetry Foundation.

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Joe's New Podcast

Thinking Sideways Podcast

43:19 min | 9 months ago

Joe's New Podcast

"Hello this is Joe and I have a new podcast if you haven't heard already it's me and also my friend. Vincent said's what's up Johnny. Yeah and We're presenting an episode of. You might have heard our first episode last week before warned. This is not going to be showing up in the sideways speed forever. So you need to go out. I tunes look up the shocking details. Which is the name of our new podcast. Shocking detail shocking details emery. Yeah man subscribe course give us a rating five stars and all that stuff joe from inside ways podcast and they're welcome to another episode of the shocking details. I'm joined as always by Vincent Gal Doni and we've got the story for you this week. Interesting little story that you probably never heard about and I know it's not Halloween but really anytime of the year is a good time for a ghost story right Vince. Especially if it's an Arkansas. Coast or yeah. This isn't Arkansas goes story. This particular story got a lot of national publicity back on. It happened this late. Nineteen twenty nine but it's completely dropped into obscurity sense so I have never heard of this when you set this to me and I heard it was the Arkansas Ghost. I literally thought it was a different story altogether. Yeah don't we know this one but it was not the story. That wasn't just a ghost. A ghost trial here. Anyway Dredge story up and shock you all with the gory details so a start at the beginning. This judge mark is owned residing in the child these defendants of murder Conrad's Franklin is the State's prosecution. President KNAPP is a victim January nineteen twenty nine. A man named Connie Franklin came to the Saint James Settlement in Arkansas. That's a town of Saint James if you want to know where this town is It's about ten miles east of the town of Mountain View. About seventy five miles north northeast of little rock about one hundred ten miles northwest of Memphis Tennessee. And it's really it's there today but it's kind of a wide spot in the road really. Yeah but it's still there but Connie Franklin found himself jobs as a farmhand timber cutter and what he wasn't working. He was known for playing. Is French. Harp also known as the harmonica or just the harp And also for hitting on the local women? Yeah which you know. What else is there to do right now? Much split Monica and talk to the girl pretty much. He met a local girl named Tiller Room. Honor Tiller was sixteen by the way. Connie was about twenty two years old. The two of them headed off real good had whirlwind romance and according to Tiller on March Nights nineteen twenty nine conic proposed marriage and she accepted so that is whirlwind. He's really yeah. It is but then county Franklin disappeared the townsfolk noticed although nobody seemed to think it was exceptionally odd because Connie was after all kind of an itinerant farmhand type guy and there was a lot of that back. This is not to twenty nine home. A lot of people drifted around from job. Oh yeah especially in the world like like wheat and stuff that would follow the harvest as it as it matured. Absolutely did seem a bit odd. Apparently Connie had left his knapsack behind and his mail was still be delivered to local post office. Which you wouldn't expect. I mean if you had taken up residence somewhere else you would think he wouldn't have the same as mail forwarded perhaps make sense yeah but nonetheless it was just assumed by most everybody. Khania just drifted out of town the same way drifted in and he'd only been there a couple of months after all. Anyway right right right so he was soon forgotten by most of the folks in the town except a few of them found his announced departure to be kind of suspect Especially seventy named Bertha Burns. Who will talk about a little later? She was an armchair detective. Who kind of involved in this mystery lady? Yeah she was she was actually sort of harassing the sheriff on off about this for months after conscious appearance. You GotTa do it if you want stuff done. Yeah Bat of course you know just because Berta suspicious about something does not being. The sheriff can go arrest. Somebody know right. What what did Tiller think about this? I mean she must have had an opinion about him running out of town. Well Yeah but she wasn't really talking. Interestingly enough until until later that year in November nineteen twenty nine okay. That is went. Tiller finally came forward and told her story. You want to the local sheriff Sam Johnson and told him that Connie Franklin had been murdered back in March. She hadn't said anything about to anybody because the murderers were local guys night. Riders in other words vigilantes and they had told her that she and her family would all be killed she snatched but eventually tillered decide to snatch and here is her story though on March Ninth. Nineteen twenty nine. Connie Tiller Rana country road headed a local justice of the Peace Venice Ford to get a marriage license. South of Saint James. Not far from the tiny town of Red Stripe. Arkansas love. That name that's a great name Jamaican Beer. Yeah they were ambushed by four men. Joe White Bill Younger Herman Greenway and Hubert Hester Greenway and Hester Raped Tiller. And they made her watch while they beat. Connie to death with rocks and sticks. It's a hell of a way to go see a really They built a large fire and burned. Connie's body many of the news. Articles made reference to mutilation dismemberment as well but none of those stories are get down to the details of what what got off. Yeah I know what exactly they did to. It sounds pretty horrifying. Yeah Yeah and we should note that There's at least one newspaper. That said that Connie was unconscious but still alive when he was put into the fire but whatever by the time he was all done he was he was dead. Oh Yeah and there wasn't much left around but charred bones. And if you yeah. It's hard to get rid of. Tiller story was corroborated. By Ruben. Herrell a deaf mute guy who happened to be there also happened to be tillers second cousin not sure why he was there or maybe was tagging along as a witness to the wedding. Maybe we're just stocking stock. Maybe he was secretly in love with a second cousin. Likes that happens. Maybe he was murderer. Yeah I was hoping we would get to the bottom of what he was up to. But we don't ever really find out who I really got me. Guess he could've just been out on the road and it was just a coincidence area. Maybe yeah but he He gave a written statement to the county prosecutor backing up tillers account his account by the way didn't claim that he'd seen the rape or the murder just that he saw the accused caring. Connie's body through the woods. Yeah many things out there moonshine. Yeah so he saw them carrying guys dead corpse but this is not part of the story that which is why. Why did these guys spare him? Yeah Despair Ruben did he. Was He hiding from them or maybe they thought they never talk. Maybe they threaten him the same way. They did Tiller Ruben actually couldn't talk but he could still write what she and I was just how he made his statement. It's hard for me to imagine that if there was something like that. Ruben wouldn't hit that he wouldn't have mentioned that. That seems like a detail to me. I would want to include like if I was witness to a murder and I was giving a statement about what I had seen that day I would for sure. Include widen the killer. Try to kill me. He might have. I mean most of the The accounts this this is actually kind of A Lot was written about this in the national press at the time but of course the press being what? It is a lot of there were. There were a lot of distortions. A lot of valuable little details like that got left out. I read a number of accounts at Meshing Rubin and his account. They didn't say exactly why he didn't get killed by the by these guys whenever they didn't say that. And so I. I really can't say why. So they left out some really good important little details and also inserted some probably fictional more salacious details to make the story a little juicier. No doubt I mean. That's how they did it back then. A local woman named Bertha Burns as I mentioned before it took an interest in the Connie Franklin mystery birth apparently live not too far from where county had been murdered and she had found a bloody hat in the woods that she believed was. Connie's showed it to sheriff. Johnson Johnson presented the hat to a grand jury which declined to indict anybody. Because you know it's not unreasonable. To bloody hat after all not much else I mean. Yeah then. Blood does get on stuff. Yeah I mean if you cut your head for some reason you might just throw your hat off me like I'm not wearing that ever again. Yeah and actually I feel as we'll get to a little bit later on the story. There was kind of a not unreasonable explanation for that being bloody Yup. Yeah so in the summer of Nineteen Twenty Nine Connie sister or at least a young woman claiming to be Connie sister came to Saint James. Looking for him. Bertha Burns took this more evidence that there had been indeed foul play after all so if Connie had simply migrated Shirley he would let his family know where he had gone to. Bertha dug out the bloody hat show to the sister and then led sheriff Johnson into the woods near her home to a pile of burnt bones. Teeth and ashes. This was all that remained of Connie or at least that's what Bertha believed. She also told the sheriff that she'd heard a scream coming from the area on the night that Connie disappeared or more likely some time around that time since birth couldn't actually precisely known which exact night. Connie had yeah. That's definitely a little puzzling isn't it? Yeah yeah so at so hearing all this Tiller Room and her finally should sat down with Sheriff Johnson and told her tale of murder not long after of course TILLERS COUSIN. Ruben submitted his written statement backing her story up this was finally enough for the grand jury to indict and they did. Astor greenway widened. Younger were all indicted for murder. Another local named Alex folks was also indicted even though tillered not mentioned him originally in her story. Apparently he was accused because he was known to be the ringleader of this little gang. Of course he must have been involved right. I mean there's no way he took the night off now I nine. What else was there to do except to go out with your fellow night riders and have a little fun right sure. Yeah but it turns out also that Alex box and a few of France had beaten Bertha. Burns's husband a few months prior to this for unknown reasons. These guys were essentially kind of self designated moral enforcers in the area. Yeah I was GONNA ask what would their affiliation. Where were they just highway bandits? Were they in the clan? What was there? Were not in the clan. As far as I know they were just kind of vigil. Anti moral enforcers. And so seventy eight straight. Somebody committed after some transgression. They would go administer. A little frontier justice apparently well not short of course of lynching except you know as far as I know is the only person that day ever killed. Okay Yeah Right. Yeah but yeah. Apparently somebody had transgressed especially if they transgressed against them personally right. I'M GONNA work watching about that later. Yeah awesome keep going. Yeah but this leads to the question about birth burns and her role in all this was sheer. We'll see just armchair detective or was she sort of spearheading out. A way to get back at these people were attacking her husband beating him. What the very least. She's got conflict of interest a little bit. I would say there's a reason to to wonder exactly about her object objectivity in this whole so. It's also worth mentioning that the day. After Connie's murder or disappearance are four vigilantes raided the cabin that Tiller Room? Her and her family lived in. They accused Charlie Room. Tillers father of theft. I can't tell you what she's what he stole. Yeah I don't know what he did. They administered by for the entire family from that Assad. Nice guys kid at home like you're like eating your your cheerios and someone comes into. Your Dad's stole from me. Kid I mean he's he's should be pointed out to this. It's hard to sort out truths from river from this whole story. Yeah it is strange story. And they beat the whole family and after that they took tillers brother. Hoy with them to work on their farms as reparations for Charlie's crime whatever that was yeah so it must have been a crime against them like we know them. Yeah he stole something from one of them. Apparently now so tiller would later say that. They took hoyt as a hostage to keep her silent about the murder. I guess that's SORTA halfway make sense. It was yesterday after that whole thing. Maybe they thought you know. The threats were not quite enough. Let's go yeah just this kind of an insurance policy that makes sense does make sense now remember. All of this happened before there are any serious accusations of murder. Yes absolutely mind. This would have happened in mid March. And that's right on. Yeah so let's let's flash forward to the trial of Greenway Hester white younger and folks. Yeah it was all set for December nineteen twenty nine and local anger toward the accused was running high so they were being kept in jail cells outside the county for their own protection. Evidence for the prosecution was two witnesses That would be tiller and her cousin. The ear witness testimony of Bertha Burns regarding the scream A bloody hat and what was left at the body which was some charred bones and teeth and of course the fact that contract was gone with seeing the kind of point towards some sort of foul play right the five defendants however had been saying since their arrests that no murder had taken place. Connie was not dead. They said well in that case then. Where was a lousy obvious question? Nobody knew this but the case by this time it receives state wide publicity so Connie was alive. You would think you would have heard about this and come forward right right so you know. The the prosecution did appear to have some sort of a case. Then I mean Lebron would it be beyond in European beyond the Pale that Connie could've left the state. I'd went someplace else to work or do whatever not this. Not Beyond the rubber possibility. Yeah so but The prosecution seem that they some sort of circumstantial case and intact body probably would have helped right but Still doubts were growing in some quarters as to whether they're really had even been a murderer. Yeah the trump got well. The trial was hold on. Just so actually I. I wanted to ask you this when you when you sent me. The research material. Yeah unless Bertha was lying. Yeah someone got murdered. Someone got burned on her property right. Yeah or in the woods near a home. That was her property or not it. It appeared from the ashes the bones teeth and everything that somebody had been murdered right. I mean this is not forensic. Yeah today they didn't he probably been have blood type especially if about. He's been thoroughly. Burn anyway but I would think that them being a farming community could tell when you're looking at human teeth versus a deer thing right like well you know and They sent you know they want to be all official about it. They actually gathered all the evidence up incentive to the state crime lab to be examined so somebody is dead. We just don't it appeared that somebody was dead. Okay but it. It did appear to be that that of course The to some more evidence about this comes out a little bit later about the body but this is now Beginning of December early December. The trial is about to begin And that is when the ghost of Connie Franklin appeared. I know we've got said it was a ghost story. I know but I know attention attention mounts but before we go any further time for a quick word from our sponsor. This week's episode is brought to you by the motion picture. Contact directed by Vincent Caledonia's reacted by Vincent Caledonia's So the movie contact is a story about aliens. In humans. Interacting it is a psychological thriller where you will never be quite sure what is real until the very end in that at all you can check it out at? Www contacting movie dot com. Watch the trailer he stills and find out about it all right. I haven't seen the entire Bibi yet. I've seen some some parts of it. Yeah Yeah it's got a cameo from it does have a little bit part in it and you'll be happy to have my clothes on. Yeah Yeah thank God. It's not the kind of movie now. Okay so the five men were about to be tried for the murder of Connie Francis but then said Connie Francis Johnny. Frankly I leave that in this. Kinda Francis was a singer. Yeah skit singer okay. So the firemen were about to be tried for the murder of Connie Franklin but then one elmer wingo from the nearby town of Morrilton says Connie Franklin passed through there looking for work a week or so after the alleged murder was supposed to have allegedly taken place Elmer Wingo was a farmer and Connie Franklin had worked on his farm a few years before so he would know economy. Look like right exactly. Yeah and Arkansas. Newspapers ran the story along with Connie's photo and the families of the accused also author awards for anyone who could find him and Amazingly Connie Franklin westbound. All it took was a little money to motivate people That still works does he. was working on a fire in the town of. Humphrey apparently unaware that he had been murdered. He was brought back to the county seat and delivered to the defense attorneys. They were happy of course as where the accused and their families. And of course the media when we're got out I mean the media already been drawn to town because of the the the the depravity of the store perish. It's the kind of thing that excites people you know and that it had already made the national news even before the return of Confrontation Ryan. And it's a good story right as I thought it was a heinous crime. Say are on their way to get their marriage license and overtaken by Maddie's biens rapes burnings. Eli Yeah it was and so the media was already cut all over this but then when Connie returned town on my God then that's when things really got crazy and currently the the town of Mountain view which is where the county courthouse was which is where the trial was supposed to take place became. The TAB became a circus it was over with reporters and just curiosity seekers and stuff like that. You know it was back in the. Everybody came from far and wide because there wasn't much in the way of entertainment there was no Internet No. Tv. You know. And so yeah. The national press descended like a murder of crows and It's it did shock the nation And it's really been said to that. The stereotype of the ozark mountain people as depraved illiterate. Morons kind of began with this story. Some people said this and I think there's something to that sense. Connie Franklin had after all risen from the dead he was knicks nicknamed the Arkansas Ghost and the media. Great Name Yeah. The Arkansas goes story went viral. Or at least you know whatever past for virology in those days story. It's a pretty fascinating story be. It'd be pretty amazing. That happened today. I mean the world's different Yes guy turned up at his own trial. Yeah yes his murder trial murder trail. Yeah so Some people weren't convinced that this new Connie was the real. Connie maybe it was his goat. Steady without it might have been ago. That would be a twist. Maybe someone had hired a ringer. Maybe the sheriff was wondering that too so he set up. Test recruited several girls who resembled tiller room honor and he put them in a room along with teller herself and then he asked. Connie Hair quotes air. Quotes there to pick her out which he did with out hesitation. Okay so maybe. He'd seen a photo of her thermometer photos in the paper for all we know right. Yeah until her for her part said. This guy was not the Connie that she'd known connie new all sorts of personal things about tiller and their relationship and she did have an incentive to lie because making a false police report like that is a crime. Yeah maybe she thought if it was false he just thought Kani was gone. He was coming back and she'd get away with. Sokaiya says the remember them songs I say to you. We sat side the creek and Taylor says okay. Well if you're ready. Let's hear you sing. The lonesome pine much. Connie dead and Connie does and does a pretty credible rendition of an then. Tillers Dad Charlie. Rumor says well okay. Let's see you play Turkey and Straw the French harp. Coyote does that too long as one of the tunes. You know just as well as the original county did man so six. Yeah according to the court into the papers They seem they seem to be unsure this point in time though later on eventually they decided to do. Connie was definitely most definitely not the old. Connie do what what made them decide this? I don't know just his looks or whatever I guess though it's You know I mean we'll get into. Why is so hard to hard to figure out if this was a real county or not my okay? Public public opinion in town was pretty divided on the issue but You know it should be said that. Connie wasn't around that long. Not that many people had known him that well frankly many people saw the guy was Connie. Maybe say some many said he wasn't but the problem for the Sheriff and the county prosecutor is that they really couldn't find anybody who had known. Connie who didn't have an interest in the case on one side of the I make sense. Yeah so it's a tough one for small towns are yeah so rather than pull the plug on the case. The prosecutor decided the best way to resolve. The issue is to let the jury decide. I would hold on that for a moment. Yeah the victim may not actually even be deceased. They're going ahead with the murder trial. I mean that's pretty spectacular. That's insane imagine that happening today. Yeah yeah defense. Attorney would definitely have have a good time with this whole thing. Oh Wow yeah so. I just wanted to highlight that. That's that was really for me. When I was reading the material you sent at first. I was like that is crazy. Yeah that's crazy case right. So the trial gets underway beginning on December Seventeenth nineteen twenty nine and sitting at the prosecutor's table was Hugh Williams in the county. Da The attorney for the defense was Ben Williamson US brother. As you can imagine the national press one not so factoid. Yeah One more reason to make fun of these silly ozark people. Oh Man Yeah. Yeah along with the general traits of a murder trial where the victim is like walking around. Maybe now first day of the trial Tiller gave some pretty dramatic testimony. She recounted how why younger greenway and Hester ambushed them and beat Connie unconscious they then mutilated his body. No details for that are available now. He built a large fire around him and put him on the fire even though he was still alive. So the body roll off the fires and the murderers had rebuild it and put the body back on and when it was done the number parts of Connie were put in a bag and tossed into the river work on prosecution place charred bones and teeth in evidence but their case took a bit of a hit of the state. Health officer testified in across examination that the bone fragments were too incomplete to be able to determine whether the bones were even human much less. Connie Franklin's the record is not totally clear on this. Apparently there had been originally in the race. It was a Shard of what will appear to be a human skull And that piece of evidence had apparently gone missing by the time of the trial so without that Charlotte of skull Essentially there was no proof that these bones were even human but what about the teeth? Human Teeth are pretty easy to identify competitor. Well Dad has testified also he had examined teeth and said they were actually from a dog or perhaps a sheep. What WAIT NO WAR SHEEPDOG? Or maybe a sheep dog or is she. Yeah Day to Connie Franklin took the stand defense witness is was as far as the only time in US history that somebody has testified at the trial for his own murder. That's pretty groundbreaking. Legally speaking according to Cadiz testimony in his murderers got drunk on the night that he was allegedly murdered and headed about view to obtain a marriage license. Okay and Connie fell off his mule at some point because of course he was drunk and was injured badly enough that he probably blended his hat for one thing and also didn't get back to. Saint James Settlement that night And that was his story. I mean who knows? They were all drunk. Maybe they'd go out and have a little bachelor party and Did some improper things. You don't really know. But apparently he was expected back in town that night by Tiller so the next day when he did get back. Tiller told her she was postponing the wedding until the fall he's through down in ultimate him which was marry me now today or I'm leaving town. She said so. You left town and that was that for the prosecution argued. That Connie was an imposter. This new yeah. He also asked the jury. Why would tiller have made up a story like this? That's my question I am good point Which would send several innocent men to the GAL? Why would she even do that? What did she have against that of? What would be the motive? Yeah right so the other three witnesses said the new. Connie was an imposter tiller. Her Dad Charlie. And One Coleman Foster who had known. Connie Coleman was also tillers cousin. Your cousin problem with this is a small community. Let's go much credit. Oh yeah of the people who swore that Connie was not the real. Connie none really seem to be unrelated to the accuser Someone's Connie Really Connie. We'll know he's real name. It turns out was Marion Franklin Rogers and he was about ten years older than what he told me. He Lied Alive. Said he was a younger man. A wife and kids Turned out. Yeah yeah that was the case and he had abandoned him Oh and he had done some time in a mental hospital he had been committed in nineteen twenty six and escaped three months later. He'd been drifting around the state ever since so this new. Connie Franklin wasn't real then right now actually he was idea as Marian Rogers who fingerprints and dental records. He was indeed Mary Ann Rogers but he said he had been traveling around since his escape from the mental student or an alias of Connie Franklin. What's kind of I guess makes sense? So he said even though even though I lied about my name. I really truly Connie Franklin you guys knew previously. Okay I was just lying to you back then I write about my past and about my real name all right. And what is that This is ground ground shaking for the case. Prosecution's case at this time Tiller changed her story. She said that she had witnessed a beating but now admitted that she hadn't actually seen a murder or seeing Connie's body burn. So that's kind of tough the tough one yeah. The accused said that Tiller accused of rape and murder as payback for the raid on. Her family makes sense. Yeah actually it could be argued that the entire story of Connie Connie's murder was fruit of a conspiracy. And that conspiracy was just another chapter in a long-running feud yeah maybe orchestrated by perhaps Bertha Burns early. She seemed to have had some role in. Maybe yeah maybe the room and her family and Bertha Got Together. Decided they pull this off? Yeah it's hard to say it's been said. The story had roots in a local moonshine. War between the Hess clan on one side of the younger greenaway's on the other side. Count Count. Feels that way. I not really a big old back story here that we'd never heard about right. He does feel like we're witnessed like this whole trial is the tip of Abegg Iceberg. And there's probably GONNA be more in here we don't even know about. Oh Yeah so presented with these weird and conflicting stories. Probably the same thoughts that we're having right now the jury they couldn't decide they retain the judge the honorable. Marcus bone grit name as a great name for judge informed them that the county had already spent an ungodly amount of money on this case and they got weld. God willed damned come to a verdict one way or the other so they voted for acquittal. Nah that probably not a bad choice not does that's probably what I'd vote although Hester in greenaway were held over for trial charges of rape but those charges were dropped a year later. I wonder why it doesn't sound like it was a very credible credible station. Wouldn't as the rest of their lives on though I hear the story of the Arkansas goes to still big topic of debate in stone. County Arkansas. Everybody involved as long data civil. Never know for sure what actually happened. Was there actually a murder? It's hard to say but I suspect that there was not no mess. The prosecution set. Of course it's hard to believe that Tiller rumor would make up such a heinous story but on the other hand people do make false accusations from time to time. Sure certainly the fact that she changed her story. Mid Trial is sufficient reason to question all of it. I and I also have to say that property of the crime is she describes. It makes it a little hard to believe. I mean the guys that these guys were. They were vigilant. As it were jerks they were violent to a certain extent but it doesn't sound to me like they ever committed anything more heinous than basically kind of a beating you know. That's actually the the exact thought that I had was that. If you'RE GONNA kill a man. Yeah rape his fiancee and burn him to death still alive. It's probably not like your first Rodeo. Yeah probably not. That's not where you start now where you build up to overtime. Yeah well so was Mary. Ann Rogers the original. Connie frankly yeah. This is hard to say. Franklin was not in Saint James Long enough for people to to know him as I mentioned before everybody involved had some bias lost. People said he wasn't the same guy lots said he. said that He was a lot of people. Said he wasn't the same and really seemed to dislike the accused men. And so yeah. Confusion reigns conclusions. I'm Mary Ann. Rogers was probably the original. Connie Franklin showed up in the early nineteen twenty nine. But I wouldn't bet my life on it. I think probably was but I think so. It might actually be the case that Franklin was brutal brutally murdered in March nineteen twenty nine verion. Rogers was an imposter Maybe Tiller Change your story mid trial because friends of the accused somehow got to put the fear God into her or maybe not. I don't know I think part of what his hangs on. Is that the bone pile. Yeah I mean if those really were dog or sheep bone gas because those are confuse than I would be inclined to go your way if those bones had turned out to be human which an expert even then could have told you even though I mean this is Arkansas twenties. Let a few experts. Yeah if they had that or even if they're around somewhere today which are probably not then I would turn out to be human I would be inclined to say somebody got killed that night and that person was likely whoever Connie Franklin was weather that was his real name with. That was an assumed name again and again you know again you got to like looking at the whole thing. I mean Bertha Burns had a grudge against these accused men who had beaten her husband. The Room and our family had a garage and see how she was the one who led law enforcement to this pile of bones and ashes and tease and stuff and so maybe she just thought you know hey I mean forensic scientists and what is going to be in sixty years. Ha Ha 'cause I bet and so I'll just. I'll just throw a sheep dog bones into a pile Burnham crush them up so that they're just unrecognizable and and and lied to the police. Maybe she that's what she did. That's I find that as easy to believe if not easier to believe the only problem I have with that is that conspiracies are hard to maintain their. I mean we've seen that in the research we've done you can listen to other podcasts. Read books about this requires a lot of co-conspirators right so birth in her husband. You've got the room and her family. Yeah but what? If it was entirely orchestrated by birth. She just manipulated the other people around her and what she wants. She talked tiller into into basically telling this story. She kind of had her on the hook. Tiller couldn't go back on. See that's true. She'd be in there she will not perjury. Its report false reporting of a crime or yeah harsh penalty should really I mean? Yeah something like this. You waste not only time and money. Judge alone said it costs. A lot of money did apparently broke the broke. The county's budget that year. Yeah so You know throw one more theory at you. Watch what we're talking. What if those working bounds in there? But they weren't whoever Connie Franklin yeah slash Mary. Ann Rogers was what if Bertha killed somebody and this was her plan to cover it up. That's a good possibility to. There's all kinds of reasons to burn a body. I mean some people not everybody berries bodies. Maybe somebody thought you know I will burn them like Burnham like our ancient ancestors did maybe this person died of something something infectious and they just thought okay. Let's burn the body. Now it's true. And then also you get you know I I just this is just popped into my head. This during prohibition if moonshine owners were out there moonshine and one of them died for one reason or the other. The last thing you want to do is call corner. Yeah yeah so there's Yeah there's Dad. This is backed not even in Arkansas. And all kinds of places really Erica things. There wasn't so much paperwork when somebody died today. Nope so there's a rumor that judge marcus bone again because of all. This negative publicity ordered all the records from the trial destroyed. I love it except for the ones that he was legally obligated to keep so. That's why there are a lot of questions about the Arkansas. Ghost is it. Can't just pull up these Gadgets go look these things because I also you know he would if he didn't do that. Things have a way of disappearing You know I was. There was another case. I was researching where there was some stuff that had just been swiped out of the out of the county records. Well there's that and there's there's a podcast that I follow and they are trying to get old court records from you know just from the nineties. Yeah but they're they've been stored improperly. They're covered in mildew. And you know this is only from the from nineteen ninety side though right so you've store them properly in a place where water is leaking where there's mold and mildew and you play that out over eighty ninety year. Yeah well good luck. Then they're gone. They're they're dissolved altogether and it actually really is a problem in our country. How we have all of these civil legal records that are just not properly being stored in our decaying making it harder to know about older kisses in violence although the plus side though is that you know if you if you were convicted of a crime yourself that hey maybe the record is sort of just naturally being not true. I would love to hear it like ninety year. Old Convicts fee on that. But any b-actor. Our story is speaking of Mary. Ann Rogers what happened to him? After the trial he left town again resumed his itinerary lifestyle in nineteen thirty two though he was found the line by the side of a road half dead and he died two days later of appendicitis and exposure tiller. Rumor went on to get married and had some kids and beyond that she just sort of dropped back in security and I know no more of what happened to her. So also the tiny hamlet of Red Stripe. Oh yeah awesome name. That's a great name. Yeah that's where the murder supposedly took place nearby anyway. Yeah on the road to it or outside. It's still there but after the trial they changed the name to pleasant grove because of all the negative publicity is like a guy you can find. It's still very type in pleasant grove. Yeah IT POPS RIGHT UP I actually. I did it and I found that super far from a friend of mine grew up. I'll really she's from that area Governor of Arkansas publicly now suppress for their behavior and said that they'd made the citizens of North Arkansas out to be hayseeds and idiots as I said earlier the story really does appear to have had a cultural impact and cemented the image of rural America's backward and ignorant in the minds of city dwellers with a special place reserved for the Hillbilly of the ozarks. Who really were described in the national papers as depraved illiterate morons? Yeah there is a there was a guy named Brooks blevins. He is is or was at least a professor at University of Missouri. Okay or no excuse me. Missouri State University are. You wrote a book about this case. Ghost and I read an article that he wrote about this as well. I wanted to quote from this real quick. Like talk about the writing of one. Kansas City journalists who went into town basically sat out reports that were picked up by papers all across the nation. I've ever is a quote now from Brooks Blevins on November Twenty Eighth Nineteen Twenty Nine the Journal Post Banner Headline set the tone for the weeks to follow quote ozark murder reveals system. Peon each baron said to be back brutal. Crime UNQUOTE SECREST WENT. On to spin a tale of futile oppression and privilege and is an Ozark land of illiteracy violence places inhabitants quote knowledge of Christmas is almost as limited as their idea. What thanksgiving is intended to convey on quote in an isolated hamlet called Saint James Kabbalah? Baronial families ruled with quote the Hickory stick in the Squirrel rifle. Unquote I mean. That's that's pretty heinous charges against the entire community the entire county the entire state. I mean you know and this was picked up again reprinted in papers all around America. I mean that's one way to frame it but I think you know you're you're laying bare a pretty a pretty terrible bias. These are hard working. Farmers who are people are more airpor- and they don't have the best education they probably are doing some mean moon shining. But they're trying to get by. Yeah Yeah you could easily just flipped at one hundred and eighty degrees talking about the same people doing the same things now. Also salt of the Earth hard working agricultural Americans. It really is. I mean this is I. I don't know if You know in a sense. It's kind of comes down like basic human nature. Which is that. We all want to have somebody that we can look down are now. It's totally true right. Yeah we've all got up so you're living in the city and maybe you don't have the best job. You're not that rich yourself you live in a crappy neighborhood but there's somebody there's somebody you know just worse you. Are Somebody up in the mountains playing a French heart. Yeah so here's a question for you. Okay deliverance have been written in with the movie. Deliverance had been made. Yeah if this had not taken place you know like like I was saying earlier I you know. What did I Yeah other than Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. What did I know about Arkansas? Yeah artist Georgia actually does built up and Actually Hillary. Hillary is not even shroff to Arkansas Chicago Illinois. Yeah no she's not an Arkansas Person. She didn't like Arkansas very much fairly. Not and so yeah. So prior to Bill Clinton. What is a young man? What the heck did I even know about what went on in Arkansas one thing? Deliverance deliverance was the one. That's gotta the impression of an and and so people like you and me we. That's what we know about. These people is deliverance. More people back in the year. Nineteen twenty nine. The one thing they do about these people was the Arkansas goes. And all these depraved morons. They're merger freightways has the story of like you know you can picture that sort of archetype of like a country kangaroo court. You know you're on trial for murder of Connie Franklin who said it really doesn't pay them in a good lie it's it is. Yeah it yeah. It's just strange all the way around. I I can't blame. These people be embarrassed a little bit. Yeah no it's ever be embarrassed about that because when you think about it I mean there's dumb ass stories out there in human history all over this all over the world you know. They're not that special. You thought I had Joe. I was reading about this thing about you. Deliverance in Arkansas and stuff is you know how many people are in the exact reverse thing right so like you're from somewhere in Oregon now from some farming community in eastern Oregon for that Boardman. Let's say and You meet somebody from out of state. And what are they now? Portland Lia Lee assume. You're like a hipster with a handlebar moustache top hat. And you're like no. I work on a watermelon farmer on the I work at the the poor or I'm numb down there doing wheat or something meat and potatoes. Yeah people will people like you know that you know. I'm from Portland. I live in Portland. People seem that I'm on board with all the General Reno Portland eagerness and I ride a bike and I'm a history now. Actually actually I'm not Not exactly stereotypical and neither are most people which I mean. Yeah so one. Stereotypes are generally like totally inaccurate off. But then also a story whether it's a true story or whether it's you know it's a narrative of some kind can can paint people with a with a brush. That's not always fair to them. That's not always out story. It's not fair. These people had then they have had since they've had very little in the way of a voice. Yeah counteract this whole thing has been just no end of people you know writing stories about them and making fun of them. Bright as if one of these people want to write a book making fun of New Yorkers. Well who would probably shouldn't who would read it so you know it's been one sided fight. Yeah yeah no no. It's not bad which I think is bad because there could be a city with a cool name. Like Red Stripe Alvin Red. Stripe had to go away and that sad and back in Stone County Arkansas. The legend of the Arkansas Ghost lives on even if none of the rest of us have heard about it. While you've heard about it now and that's another story another week so We will see you next time. Please stay tuned. We've a few important facts to tell you otherwise. We'll see next week all right. Thanks a lot been shocking detail. I'm shocked I'm shocked. If you'd like to get a hold of us you can send us an email at shocking details. Podcast at gmail.com. You can also check out our website. That's DUB DUB DUB the shocking details DOT COM. We're on twitter. That would be at shocking details. And of course. 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"Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike robot? Tony naked man, wearing only black shoes and socks was spotted walking along a highway in Kentucky. I'm Tony Kornheiser Kentucky. That's where it was you. How would you know, how Kentucky how'd you get drive? I would the pretty much make a left and I. Going west for while and get doing member I'm dating myself now, but you'll remember this remember when they would ever there would be a picture of Richard Nixon on the beach. It'd be wearing flak black songs. Laxa an bathing suit ridiculous utterly ridiculous on whether the paint TI boys and girls in today's episode time Montgomery goes rogue tie lugos away. My man Rick Pitino wants back in the NBA, and we will get to the Boston Red Sox in all their glory. But we begin today with people in Cleveland the Browns identified a power struggle between head coach you Jackson an offensive coordinator. Todd Haley, and they fired them both today. Both and promoted defensive coordinator, Greg Williams late of bountygate to interim head coach we'll on the Brown stink. Will this make them better than the -serily? Tony, and I'm gonna go straight to you know, you start examining this. And if you've covered sports for long enough, he tried to listen to people who have some direct knowledge of the situation. And in this case, I you know, listen to somebody who does have direct knowledge in complete dysfunction or words that came to this person's mind ruinous for young team. And everybody says I'm talking about multiple people. I've talked to said then Hugh and Haley completely undermined each other that was visible on Harding. All you can't count visible. All of us hard knots is not the reference point for all. But everybody saw everybody who was they don't have ratings that mean, it'll get into the twenty s a million. So not everybody saw it the point is. Yes, it was a ruined his situation. I believe that. But I don't know if this makes it better. You're also starting over which is ruined his for a young team starting over. If Baker Mayfield just has one coordinator after another after another how does that help? No seems to me that the owner here is part of big part of the dysfunction yet. He thinks that they're better today than they say that. Okay. You cannot defend you Jackson's record on. Any level? He's three thirty six and one that is the worst record in the history of the league with one team. Yeah. So I have no particular simply with. You could have been this African record. Well this sheet. Oh, you can't fed the record because they should have been foreign, oh, and they're to safety performance this year. The worst thing that happens here is to Baker Mayfield who the new GM thinks is a franchise quarterback you cut away his offense of minded head coach you cut away his offense coordinator everything earns this year. He probably has to unlearn next. It's a waste. It's a complete waste of this kid's year because nobody who staying here is going to be here next year. Nobody we're going on and on. And we just lead the show with the Cleveland Browns. Yep. How is this different? Remember how we in the newspaper business. We used to stave to tell us editors until young reporters that dog bites man is not a story man bites dog. That's a story. How the hell is this that big a deal when it's what the Cleveland Browns have been doing for twenty years? Right. This is I assume a rhetorical thing. Suckling? I'd like you to answer me. No. You're not going to answer me you please enough of the Cleveland Browns. Let's get to easily the game of the day in the NFL. The Rams beat the Packers. In a thriller, the Packers filter would've gone the other way, head return, man. Ty, Montgomery you boy, not different by what sabotage Aaron Rodgers by. Thumbing and kick the turn with two minutes left an unnamed player told NFL dot com. Quote, they told him to take a knee any ran it out. Anyway, that was him saying I'm gonna do me. It's a joke. Close quote, Tony what in the world, given the enormity of one loss in the NFL, should the pack do about Montgomery Montgomery lost the game because he did not give Aaron Rodgers a chance he lost Aaron he lost it. Aaron Rodgers not Mr. Rogers Aaron Rodgers who everybody knew would get in position for the winning field goal. It was not two minutes. If I'm correct on this. It was too old five and one of the reasons they told them to sit. Down in the end zone. Run the clock. That's right. You give Aaron Rodgers of free play before the two minute. Warning, you give him one. So he takes it out anti fumbles it. Okay. He ruins the clock. Takes it out. Any fumbles it and they lose the game. Ann Rogers, not only has the two minute. Warning. He's got another time out in his pocket. So what do they do with him? They bench him or they cut him or they trade him. They'll cut them. You don't trade him? You you. This guy has some value to the Packers more value. Not. Yes. The years ago, then he does not. Yes, they have no running backs in a guy would think a eighty eight on his back wound up being a running back and in gaining some yards. He has some value to them. So you reprimand him you should million him as best you can to professional athletes, the locker room makes it difficult. I've found it crazy watching that game. Of course. And we were on the phone talking and the number of players who said stuff to him in real time while he's doing what Lewis zone. Sheepish like, what are you doing? And if and if that, but I'm not going to game. We don't know that Aaron Rodgers wins a high percentage of these did you not all did you think our in Rogers would take the team to where they had a field goal attempt at least that's what he does against my team. Okay. So so the answer's yes. And what this guy did was he lost it. He lost it plane. Instead wanna cut him. I want to remind you could the New Orleans Saints went into Minnesota last night. They won comfortable hotel. The saints have now on six games in a row and drew Brees did not have to do this by himself. He only passed one hundred twenty yards. The saints host the undefeated LA Rams this Sunday running back. Mark Ingram says and I quote, everybody gotta come see us. Everybody went scared, and nobody we ain't intimidated by nobody unquote. We'll do you think the saints will beat the Rams? No, I think the Rams will win that game. Saints aren't going undefeated. So you've got to look at their schedule and try to say join on defeats the ram. I'm sorry. They ran Raimi's the Rams knuckling undefeated. So you think the saints can I think that you mentioned the running backs chimera seems to be great me the guy who is the cherry on top. You don't ask drew Brees to too much? But here's what I think ultimately about the Saint Sony, and we'll give me pause as always in defense like twenty thirty points at twenty third and told Davis, and you know, what you don't have to play much defense in the NFL anymore. But you gotta play that much. So I agree with you that the Rams will not go undefeated, and I think that under reasonable conditions. The saints would win this game. But not because of what happened yesterday because of the scare that the Rams got yesterday. You think that's going to work heavily in their favor. I think they will be on guard to a degree that they would not have been on guard before. And I also tell you that that at one point in the breeze Payton era when you play games in the dome. You won them all the time in the. Last four plus seasons four seasons. And what we've had this time. The record is twenty and fifteen so that's not the advantage. They used to have I do think at this point that the the Rams are going to win this one. I do this to do you just said that you know, what are you going to sit here? But I think you think the Rams are going undefeated. Now, what do you listen to this? Do you have something else? Playing in your head up is the first thing. I thought was I really not going to go undefeated. I didn't hear that part. Oh, I just testing. We got an audience you're getting older. I want to see. This is the Carolina Panthers starting to look like the team the a Super Bowl three years ago. Cam Newton is having loads of fun with his new young arsenal of players after torching the allegedly stout. Ravens defense for thirty six points. Noon. Say quote, we possess a lot of issues the defense. We have dynamic players all around the field close quote. He's talking about misters, McCaffrey, more and Samuel. And let's not forget the man who designs offense. Tony north Turner. Is it time then the put the Panthers in the same class as the Rams and the I'm gonna add another player because he's back, and I didn't think he would be back wriggled? He's really he's really into safety valve when he was talking about talking about new young dynamic guys. Okay. Listen is the old dynamic sort of sprint. Cam Newton is a great great talent. We saw this on display against the eagles. When in the fourth quarter. He needed three different touchdown drives and got all three and to put him with Turner. If he believes that north Turner can help them like rebuilding definitely begin he north turning to every day is so then then my answer to the question is that you have to pay attention. But here's my but what they lost to the Redskins. Okay. Then the Redskins are division winner visual leader. I know five and to do you trust them? No, okay. And nor do I. And at the end of that game. Newton was it was in a position to win the gang was sailing passes. Okay. Buddies head. Here's the one thing that says to me at north Turner leaves this by the way that the Panthers can't go back to being the best team in the NFC. Is that Cam Newton has been sacked ten times this she not much not know how many he was sacked the same number games last year when he to. Yeah. So so if you keep Newton upright and healthy for the entire season. Tony they're going to be right there with the Rams and the saints. Like, I think if you've looked at the league so far you have put new Inc. Oakland, and Kansas City and the Rams and L possibly the sayings in the uppermost category. But and everyone deck everybody on that. Yes. But but only says about all the other teams of this really, really. Now, we get to the Red Sox. They beat the dodgers last night behind the revitalize David price and won the World Series four games to one. This is after beating the defending world champions, Houston four to one. And that was after beating the powerful New York Yankees three to one and it wasn't four his only had to win three in that Red Sox. Second baseman, Ian, Kinser told the athletic, quote, it's not just that we won the World Series. This team ran through the playoffs. Those by all measures were the three best teams beside the Red Sox. And this team dismantle those three teams on quote will what he liked best about these Red Sox. I like best is something that can't be measured. Statistically, so I'm sure confounds all the people who wanna just sort of distill things in some sort of numbers. They were relentless it didn't matter one run. Lied to them was like there's still up three. I mean, and it sometimes they were they were down one of the game is even and you just if I click the channel on something else includes back the Red Sox were up three runs. They were relentless they stalked all these other teams. They knew they were going to win every game. And Tony that's a personality. That's something that cannot be quantified. And so I think sadly, it will go largely unmentioned. Well, I'm gonna say this. And I'm not gonna say that Dave Dave Roberts made every mistake or all the mistakes or even many mistakes. But I'm gonna tell you, Alex. Gordon, MC any? Okay. I'll give you that. He went through this. He did some things you, and I well, I probably you too. I never heard a steam. Here's before last week. You have heard he's played for all teams in the division. You know, he was very important to the series. Whether he's MVP or not is up to question. What is very important wasn't MVP. Here's what I'm rice is the MVP says another we'll get back to that horror pitched price. It was brilliant to pitch them in game five because he knows that the people in Boston have seen bad stuff. And they weren't sure. So he was. And he was holding evolved e for Boston. I love the fact that he threw sale in in the ninth last night sale could have pitched five innings if he had to instruct out fifteen people, I just think that core. In addition to what you said in addition to the statistic of getting so many runs with two outs that the moves were always, right. Those records here the right people. Let me just mentioned some guys who are going to be around for a while. And been attendee in Bogart's and bits and Bradley what you guys in their early mid twenties. Who's the third baseman that kid is twenty two years old turned ever since Denver's devas? So Tony they got the players will this credit the GM there, by the way. There's no question about who the MVP is. Okay. It's a guy who the story line before the playoffs. Started was he may be a bum. You can't pitch and second. You can't handle at the top of your rotation and in the World Series, engaged two and five. And you know, he was like who said that everybody we all did this was to. But it's not true now. So how does that guy? You're not getting. MVP? Here's one other Phyllis the other thing that core did in the nationally games. He took his put them in the field. He had so much faith in Martinez. Martinez. Rewarded the faith? Let's take a break. Copy Martha Broncos right that the chiefs are bending the rules shut up. And is it time for twenty to cut the jokes cut the criticism and hit and ju-. Look a little bit of love will you? We're not going to cut the jokes because that's what I do around here. Jones by space. She knows best. Tracking the domestic doesn't bunny. You come to find them hiding under wardrobes next to love songs due to something. Although scurry off what's utterly fascinating about the dust bunny. Is that ov- o- they'll not actually essential creatures when they Kyko not only saves people money, but also has a ninety seven percents customer satisfaction rating. It's obvious to them you should switch because Yesler. Switching to Geico is a no brainer. No is the dust bunnies. Only natural predator on the lung doesn't on his run along. Male time, you pick the topics we change them to things we're actually interested in. Everyone's happy. Don't see first. Let's first the Broncos saying the chiefs linemen are blocking too far downfield on RPO's legit beef. No, I will say to the Broncos shut up. Get your kicked by the Kansas City Chiefs and your division. I understand it hurts because you basically, you know, they're a better team. This criticism has been out there. I remember when back when I was covering the Redskins. They'd have something to say about Andy Reid and his lime and he was in Philly then in blocking and there's more run pass option now. No, it's not legit at all. Here's what I saw on red zone, which I watch. Religiously every time they turn to the Kansas City game Mahomes was throwing the ball and somebody in a red jersey had his feet in the end zone. So it didn't matter who was downfield blocking because that guy was in the end zone. If this is a legitimate beef strategically you get it on tape you set off this and you tell the referee Jokiel cow. Four, and that's exactly the way that works other than that is going to result in most of the times with Mahomes. It ain't a run pass option. He's throwing the ball. And you're at his mercy. So shut up. Andrew luck has five straight games with at least three touchdown passes. When you guys gonna stop making fun of him. And admit that he's as good as ever I'm not making fun of him. He's back. He can throw a real football. He's having a really good year three. Yes. He has his team sting Rian five. He has twenty three touchdown passes. Just one behind picks. You're sainted Pat, Mahomes eight picks he's ninth in the league in in total yards. Look the best that I can give you on this guy. He's going to one hundred fifty six straight pass attempts and not be sad portent. There's five years. Leaking sacked ten thousand times he was lying was Archie manning in the first few years, he was beat up so much that I wonder Tony I wonder if he can get all that back. Eight is not crazy amount of money. If you touch. The Tony they're not as good as they were when he was going eleven and five his first year. They've already lost five. He's all the way back to back. Marging? He's not all the way back. He's close. Okay. Close did the Cavs dumped Tyron Lou too soon. This is just dumb the dumping of tyrod. I don't care if the Owen five and says, it doesn't matter. Of course book is t-. Lou didn't wanna play the young studs didn't wanna put a young point guard common Sexton, and he put JR Smith and he put corporate back in the game. The two of them are combined like seventy years old. I I don't care about that. They're going to be terrible all year and t- Lou. You know, what I tried to reach t Louis yesterday to congratulate him for being out of the mix of stupidity and arrogance at the top in Cleveland, so in Cleveland right now, there is no more. You jackson. No more on doing Hugh looney. What I would say to Terry Francona stay inside. Don't go out. So I've Rachel tweet this. I'm look I got emit something I've made two predictions this year. One would be the Lakers would win fifty. And I don't think I'm going to get this is right. My other prediction. Was he would win do any five or fewer fires right? Not at this time. But it would have been right on would have been right. Road rats fifteen million dollars coming and you're away from Dan Gilbert, God bless Rick. Pitino is planning to immerse himself in the NBA with an eye on becoming a head coach you like his chances. Well, he can't go to college on a high D one level. We understand that to be true. He's a great coach. He's in the hall of fame and he's done coaching. He's in the hall of fame because of coaching. Well, now he wants to coach. Now, you know, what he got up the next day and decided that was a dumb thing to say. Can you sell them in the pros short? But his record in the pros is under five hundred under five hundred was better with the Knicks wasn't Boston. If in the first job not the second job because he didn't get Tim Duncan in lottery threats. What happen if I was the Washington Wizards? I would certainly be ten. The line. Listen to Mr. Kornheiser. Here's the problem. And unlike you, we are both people who love Rick Pitino guests. Yes. The thing Tony is. Now, these young guys who run teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers when they don't even want the manager decides the dodgers. Basketballs got some of this to you have voted Stor to the numbers they want to make all the decisions, and they don't want an old school icon like Larry Brown who didn't get back in or Rick Pitino coming in to like, you don't have a job within the next year now female, stick one last break still to come the bucks a pitcher starter for next week's game against the band third off the other books. Tonight's showdown of unbeatens is still a big deal if Kawai and Jaanus aren't playing no because they're the two biggest after bucks. So you don't consider us. The biggest star on either team, sir. Winston was. He was. Happy time. Birthday. Andy Dalton for all the talk of dolphins playoff failures. He's still Cincinnati starting quarterback. He's having a good year Bengals a five and three and seventeen touchdown passes. Target third. Most in the league six of them with AJ green. It was Dalton who drove the Bengals into field goal winning range yesterday after the bucks tied the game with sixty five seconds to go you failed in that game. I called you only there about the tie turned the game two point conversion and all doing your rent zone is flawed. My none is good as my red zone. All the set the direct TV Renzo anniversary, Madison. Bumgarner on this day four years ago. You pitched five scoreless innings of relief. Just two days after pitching complete game shutout one of the most impressive World Series pitching performances ever. That was great. But you know, what we missed the week ago? The fiftieth anniversary of dick Fosbury unveiling the flop in Mexico City, resulting in Olympic gold medal and changing the entire sport by jumping probably dip with a sixty eight of Mexico City Smith and Carlos Bob Beamon George Foreman. And it's a lot lot. For those two trails to the top ten for Texas. The longhorns went from six to fifteen in the most recent eight people after losing glass state on Saturday. The will of these rankings subjective. Because the only rankings that really matter begin tomorrow night with the first college football playoff committee rankings the problem for the big twelve getting into the playoffs. Visit it Oklahoma. The conference's highest ranked team has already lost the Texas. A lot of teams. I keep telling you that is the only team that's possibly not gonna lose. And they can lose LSU at nightclubs as going to lose lose every let's go to the big finish. It's still at the bucks. We'll start Wyan Fitzpatrick over Jameis Winston is that the right call after four interceptions. His performance is the only call urban Meyer. He plans on coaching next season said news. No, I don't think he should have been coaching this season. I think they should have sat up for the whole scene. Okay. The Ciccio raptors at the six zero bucks tonight, but neither Kawai or the Greek freak. Boy. What are your thoughts? Thoughts. No two Greek freak is in concussion protocol for why plant the game is diminished. I'm still gonna watch plan RAFI the walkie plan rest. Terry path Morten Anderson to become the NFL's all time leading score. Is that a big deal? I want plan rests tomorrow Ryan rest is it a big deal yet thirty every night twenty third season. He's going to the hall of one patriots bills. And I wouldn't even spec. Totally just Gordon is going to be disciplined for charter this out maybe a quarter, but that's not gonna stop beatdown. My sixteen point game. Most confident cheese. Bills roadside trying to better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser. Thanks is close enough Clinton to Bill. Don't you? So Mike wilpon Saint time tomorrow knuckleheads. And now, we send you to Susie. Copper in the Monday night countdown in.

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IRacing Wraps Up the INDYCAR Challenge, Jenson Button in an INDYCAR? & More!

Pit Lane Parley

27:53 min | 7 months ago

IRacing Wraps Up the INDYCAR Challenge, Jenson Button in an INDYCAR? & More!

"We're all gamers everyday. Billions of people. Wake up eat and fire up. A game is part of their daily routine. Whether you're pro or someone just jumping online to some time. We all hyper x gets that their products are made to enhance your gaming life including headsets keyboards mice and products to keep your gear console or PC casual or pro no matter your level. We're all gamers and Piper exits us our code hit lane fifteen at checkout to save fifteen percent Welcome to another episode of parliament. Welcome to another episode of Portland Parlay. This is Matt. Hickey joined by host Mike and jess guys. How we doing tonight living the life pretty good. You almost sounded like a race car right there. I needed to up shift about halfway through but yeah he did. I missed my shift. But that's okay hard limited for life guys. Can you believe that we're going to start talking with Irene thing? It's not like anything happened on Saturday with IRA singer or anything so let me not ramble on here for five minutes to recap everything what what happened because it was pretty crazy but the first thing I wrote in the rundown was really hates. I racing if you guys didn't have a chance to listen to you. These Thursday or Friday practices on twitch. It was phenomenal. Drivers were just giving jabs at each other left and right and there were so many things that I believe on the Friday session. The head steward. Greg actually disabled drivers chat. Which was kind of a bummer. 'cause that's one of the best parts about this practice races but it just got crazy but it was insane and then the race on. Saturday was pretty calm in in cool up until about the last ten laps to recaps on the most dramatic moments Landau. Norris was in the race because he won the circle of America so he automatically got an entry into the race and he made it three wide in the short chute between turns into on the inside. Gramajo was in the Middle Middle and Simon pageant was on the outside and unfortunately because there were three wide into turn Suu pageant Kinda got caught out and hit the wall with a couple of weeks ago Padua who had now wrecked and pitted came out and decided that he was going to quote unquote slowdown landowners and on the exit of turn for about three or four laps to go. Norris actually ran into the back of him because Padgett was going. So slow wrecking both of them and Norris was in the lead at that point. We're GONNA take a quick pause here and I wanted to see if Mike had any thoughts that portion of the drama up to that point man I. I am very glad this six weeks is over. Let me start there but yeah listen it happened. I didn't really think it was a huge deal. Mando Kinda made a mistake. Passionate made a mistake to and. Kinda should have just ended there. Obviously social media had a field day with it which is why. I've ignored social media for the last two days pulling a strategy and just kind of avoiding it has been really good so I'll leave it there and we'll continue on. I don't know if you have any thoughts there but we'll keep going. Yes first of all folks at home. I'm not singling out just saved a lot of time and a lot of effort by not paying attention because social media on Saturday was ridiculous. So shout out the jess. She's kind of like the smartest one of the three of us. My thoughts on it is and I was kind of explaining this to the Pill in Grand Prix career last night. An xbox is that Landau doesn't understand Indianapolis in real life. Sure he's had a lot of practice with it on. Ira Sing but a lot of the INDYCAR guys take what they in real-life and apply it to I racing as well and so any indycar driver who raced at Indianapolis knows that making it three. Why the short story is never a good idea. And that's not something you can actually do realize Landau being the video game guy understands that. Yeah I have fresh tires. Yeah I could pull it off and do it not realizing that you're completely leaving the guy the outside lane hanging out to dry. So I get a patent is coming from and being frustrated had Landau and Stephan. Wilson pointed this out on twitter. Had Landau just come on the Mike and said Hey my bad. That was my fault. Sorry I didn't know that should made it three wide. Or maybe I should give you more features. You know played it off as like racing instant. Whatever I think pageant has been cool with that however that doesn't excuse what pageant. Oh did in my opinion so I think there has kind of a little bit of fault in both areas there's going to take a neutral stance on that. I will say that. The drama that ensued with Lantos fans on twitter was really annoying. I had a lot of mentions from said fans. And it's Kinda irritating but that wasn't the end of the drama because then we got to the final lap. The last half of the lab was pretty crazy on the final lap. Marcus Ericsson made a great three wide pass to take the lead and going into turn four. He still had the advantage. However paddle awards stuck his nose in in the entry of turn for Ericsson didn't really leave him too much room and they collided sending Eriksson to the wall. The lead to Oliver ask you so heading to the line Oliver. Ask US leading and Santino. Ferruccio is second and to be as neutral as possible will say that in for Ichi collided with ask you and ask you spun with fruit. She causing them both to crash coming to the line. Giving Scott McLaughlin the win and conor Daly finished second. That was neutrals like a beef. Mike thoughts on the second half the drama there. I'm really happy Conor. Daly finished second because if anybody deserved for a virtual podium after the six weeks of whatever you call the INDYCAR challenge. It's definitely conor Daly. He probably made a ton of fans over the last six weeks. So I'm that's my positive spin on everything that happened in the last part there the ask you thing it wasn't good. I'm just GONNA leave it at added and be as respectful as possible and say it was definitely not good so to kind of bring a a real world aspect into this just to kind of GET JESSICA. Take Jess Imagine. It's two thousand six. Imagine Sam Horace Juniors coming on the front stretch trying to pass. Marco Andretti for the win for the Indianapolis five hundred. If you're Marco Andretti do you intentionally wreck hornish? Jr. Coming to the start finish line of the two hundred lap of the NAPA five hundred. Lauded as you do not intentionally wreck Ben. All right we're just GONNA leave at that because that's kind of where I'm at I. I know people are saying it's just a game and I know people are saying that you know it's just. Ira saying like who cares. I don't agree with wrecking the leader coming to the line in any circumstance and I think it looked really bad. I think Oliver ask you while to be honest. Like he should have been contention for the win anyways because I think Ericsson Kinda got robbed but given the circumstances I think ask you still got the wrong end of the deal and Scott. Mclaughlin got really lucky. So I'm not too big of a fan of what I saw. I think the luckiest guy have all that other than McLaughlin was actually paddle award based on what happened with Padua. Oh and what happened with Richie Award? Kinda got out of that one looking pretty clean because I think he also wrecked Erickson pretty dirty a lot of frayed relationships coming out of this whole erasing ordeal. Mike I don't know if you have any general thoughts in the race or I know you had already said you're glad these six weeks or over if you have any thoughts about the season as a whole with the irs experience it made me appreciate INC video games just to unwind after a long day and not take it so seriously just ready to get back to real world racing boy am I so I don't know what T. K. said Friday but I probably would have agreed with it given what your synopsis was there Yeah I just totally ever it. Just it's just the some something along the lines of. If this was a real life we would have so many people in the hospital. Something something along those lines. Yeah I saw you know a couple pictures where they were launched like into be stratosphere literally so yeah. I cannot imagine what that would do in real life. Yeah I am I've slowly but surely got more sick of IRA sing as the season has come along. So I'm really looking forward to guys like hundred Alexander Rossi just kind of doing a random race for fun. Less of the organizers indycar crowd together because it seems to be having aware on the social media world yeah and before we recap our predictions and I just WanNa say I completely agree with you. Matt I have major respect for the guys that put a lot of time into Irish sing like the elite racing league in the Lionheart guys. They they work really hard at it but I have zero point zero percent interest of ever doing any sort of I- racing. Yeah I'm in the same boat. We I like my xbox. I think we have some fun. Things go in there but kind of a moot point near but we're going to go ahead and recap our predictions. Mike Respectfully Pick James Davison props to you although we had no idea with qualifying. Because why would you broadcast it? Davidson did qualify and he ended up finishing nineteenth because he was taking out by the I. Racing legend Scott Speed Willpower. I can't remember what his downfall was. He finished fourteenth. And then the guy with the great face at millions of dollars as conor Daly puts it Alexander Rossi finished twelfth. So technically the just just as the winner. But I'M GONNA go ahead and say that we were all losers because we didn't get a single driver in the top ten on that one but I do have to give credit for watching forty seven seconds of six racism probably having the best average finishing position out of the three of us as she watched. What the first thirty seconds of Michigan and like Yep. I'm out of here. I think so much revenue roughly winter. I hope everybody who was able to watch. It enjoyed it or if you didn't. Let's talk about real racing from now on so I up on our news docket. Today is an article from David. Mosher of motor sport. Talking about Arrow McLaren Schmidt Peterson that prior to the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic. They were planning a third entry for several races this year. Rotating between Jimmy Johnson Fernando Alonzo and Jenson Button Jenson. Button was picked to be racing at Road America. So two questions here. Do we think that they will still do something like this? Whenever we are able to get underway and of the three. Which is the most exciting or intriguing driver to you guys? I I mean this is an interesting thing I mean I think it would have been really cool to to see how it played out. Do I think that it's still possible. I think you've got a whole lot harder. Just without the travel restrictions and everything else that kind of puts a damper on things in also NASCAR's schedule is now absolutely insane us. So Jimmy Johnson's GonNa find it more difficult unfortunately to get there so that kind of knocks out all three. But if I had to pick one that I think would be the most fun to watch. I'M GONNA GO Jenson Button. 'cause it's been a minute and who knows like. I just think it'd be interesting to see what he would bring to the To the fray yes It's hard to determine what exactly is going to happen if they do a third entry this the season just 'cause don't really have a concrete like schedule we don't know who can go. Where and when things like that so I agree with Justin that one and I have no shame in agreeing with just on the Jenson Button. Pick as well just because I mean if you had if you didn't know he's not GonNa do ovals because he hasn't said that about eight different times and we haven't reported on that like thirty different times in the INDYCAR world just if you didn't know Jenson Button's not gonNa Rentals but the fact that he's interested in doing road courses to me is super cool and to see him at a place road America. I think he would thoroughly enjoy that type attracts so I see a former Formula One champion in any car. For the first time I think would be really cool. Yeah the Jenson Button. One definitely caught me off guard and honestly. I skimmed the article didn't read it closely so when we put together our rundown for the week and I saw Jen Jensen's name in there. I thought you were making it up and honestly I had to go back and reread it. But I'm not. I can't agree with you guys. I do agree with Jesse. It's GonNa be really hard. The NASCAR racing like eighty seven times a week. And you're the guys coming from Europe really hard. So do I think it's possible? Sure I mean nothing is impossible if Jenson button was set to race at Road America but out of the three who is the most exciting just to not agree. I'm going to go with Jimmy Johnson. He seems like such a cool guy. I'd love to get a chance to to chat with him at some point so I will go Jimmy Johnson there. Well I mean it would be fun to see all three of them. It's Shane that this is all happened. But maybe we'll get to see him all next year. I mean who knows who knows what's GonNa Happen. I think everything is still so up in the air that anything is a possibility. At this point I agree all right so I am going to throw out just in real quick other news. That's been out. I think all within the last week or week and a half so per Marshall Pruitt at racer. Indy-car is gonNA limit the on site staff for races when they do resume so it's going to be limited to twenty people in that's going to help lament the cost in also exposure p w power systems and Moore Out of sport have can come on. Board with Vassar Sullivan. Racing for a partnership for four races. Adams is reporting. The indy-car is trying to lower sanctioning fees and work with Texas that the Texas race can take place and then lastly Nascar is going back racing on May seventeenth with several races in the first two weeks. I think it's like seven or something. I can't remember the exact schedule I've seen it. They are going to have no fans and also a limited crew there. So what do you guys think about all this so nascar to me? I'm only gonNA touch onto these With the NASCAR ONE I definitely think the rule is going to be watching. As far as how they do things are I can tell with the major sports leagues of the world. The only other one that I know of. That's coming in May as potentially the Bundesliga German soccer league so I was really curious to see how those to kind of do things and see how they implement their strategies and whatnot. So we'll be watching that and the other one. I'm GonNa Touch on the Adam Stern report with Texas in the sanctioning being lowered to me that given the circumstances seems like a positive sign makes. It seem like that they're getting really close to kind of finalizing that they're actually going to be a race hopefully without fans just for safety reasons so to me makes it seem like Texas in June is a very real possibility. Yeah I definitely hope you're right on that one. I really don't know what to think if it's possible but like you said it's definitely a good step in the right direction and I think Nascar races like seven times in the first two weeks or some ten days. I don't know it's insane. It's a lot but yet I think Tony Non Or Alex. Rossi said it on the Friday media call and don't remember who said it but have Roger Penske own NASCAR team and also be in charge of Indycar will give indycar really good insight as to what is Nascar doing right. What IS NASCAR doing wrong? Can we do this? How can we do this? So we already trust roger in Ann Rogers kind of getting a firsthand. Look in the sports world and motorsports world on how this is done so I think we'll all be watching him. Deathly curious to see how it it unfolds. I did forget one thing to put it into the run down here but I had talked to you mike about. Nhra has also come out I think it was yesterday originally. They came out a couple of weeks ago and said they would start a racing again shortly in that they would have fans at the tracks in basically it was given go on like nothing had ever happened. A have revised that as of yesterday. They are not going to start racing again until August at this point. They have postponed all June and July dates. They are going to try to start in August in run sixteen more races so that they get their eighteen rights schedule. And so just another one. I I don't know who is right. I don't know that there is a right and a wrong in this particular situation. It's it's a lot of moving parts but I think that it's given everything that's going on with travel restrictions and everything else. It's not necessarily a bad idea to to kinda postponed things for a little bit longer and see how everything shakes out. So that's a an interesting take. Let's see who does a better NASCAR. Nhra because it's like two opposites in the way that they're doing things. That's a good point and I forgot that you mentioned that to me earlier today but I guess we will wait and see. I don't know if there's one approach that one hundred percent right may be indycar. Takes a little bit of both. Because I'm sure my answer to my question is probably not but it should be very interesting over the next. I don't know month how this all starts to unfold. Yeah it's GonNa make for some good Ten years from now when we look back at this time it's going to be interesting to kind of dissect and remember of what happened and who did what and things like that so We're GONNA look back at this time indefinitely. Study it for years for sure more positive. Note the Xbox League for the pit Lane Parlay Grand Prix League on F one's nineteen nineteen finished the eighth round at France yesterday. Jake neely. My team did win the race followed by team pit lane. Member Christian didn't have ski. And then Brad James with his first career podium finishing third I finished fourth I unfortunately missed a strategy call by two laps with the rain. So that was a bummer. But I'm still happy because I absolutely cannot stand. France hate it so next races at Austria? Feeling a little better about that one for sure and then. Mike do you Wanna go ahead and touch on your two leagues So the playstation crew had a lot of fun at Monaco last week and by a lot of fun. I mean Michael Good. I was the only one who finished the race. And all three of us in terms of data lighting and drew and a couple of other guys all crashed out so and then we had our second endurance race. Sunday night again. Joe Haines one. By a very large margin I came in towards the rear of the field. Because that's really what I'm good at is spinning out and forgetting to break in corner. This is all I think Matt made a joke on my twitter and then I I forgot to break. Don't blame it on me. All I'm blaming on one hundred percent blame. You are a one hundred percent of driver. We reiver's leases for days. Well on that note I will keep a positive. It was a lot fun. I really am enjoying the banter back and forth in the races in twitter chats and whatnot talking about the game so with that will move onto a quick team. Pit Lane Shoutout here. Sco TO XBOX race winner. Jake neely Stephen Clarke and Keith. Tyron all right. I got the facts game this week which we still have not come up with a creative name force or still calling it. The facts scam I- unilaterally decided to expand it to the last decade without telling these guys so jokes on them unilaterally means. I don't need your approval there for you. Don't get too boomy we. We can still be you okay. All right you ready to go ahead and talk in the first person on this one. I am a Canadian. I have raced in Indycar for Milan. And Nascar. An champion of two of those three series. Schofield now yeah. What year did he won the Indycar Championship? I don't know when the Formula One championship also don't know what year did you last. Start RACE IN INDYCAR. Six or seven years ago You are technically correct sex twenty fourteen. Okay so good job. Did you know that one? I I wanted to give you a chance. But I wasn't sure based on your face if you were ready to sir ask if I shared a birthday with him. But you when you answered it you answered. The question is now because I do share a birthday with a Canadian driver who raced indycar and Nascar but not a foreign I Marty Roth negative. Isn't it now Mardi Rod? But I don't know Marty for day Google. It like the worst day of the year. It'd probably that day Marty. Roth was born on December fifteenth. That sounds like a sad day. That's terrible so mean what did he do to you. He was a nice guy and he was a good entry into the field. When the IRA was in his down days he was very slow and most often in people's ways that was definitely meaning. Grunter is Mellon Sunday. I was slow. I mean going to crash your twitched comments and just start calling me. Marty Roth repeatedly. That's fair. I will enjoy it. We will wrap it up our last week of three-star the week before we get back to it falling people and making fun of whatever stilling goes on in the motor sports world. Like normal ness we're going to. We're going to pretend things are getting back to normal now so with that being said I'll start it out like I have a the last couple of weeks. Riley Motor. Sports has joined with core motor sports in terms of making some Howard. Air Purifying respirator masks. I don't really know exactly what that is because it's a very long article and obviously as you can tell did not read the entire article but really cool on one of the longtime IMSA teams in Riley motorsports johnny with another team so hats off to them in terms of finding some really cool technology to help keep everybody safe and healthy right now so mine is tennis. Similar Andretti autosport has started using their machines to three D print pieces and build faith shield masks for medical Front line workers so I think that's pretty cold that they're they are able to help in that way. Obviously everybody's looking for a way to help so it. It's good that they found their little spot in the mind is going to be obviously a lot of crazy things going on right now with pandemic and whatnot and a lot of our focus has been shifted to that for those who don't know may is mental health awareness month and so. I just wanted to give a shoutout out to everybody. Who's helping spread the word about the fact that may is mental health awareness month in that? If you are out there in need someone to speak to there are people there in your corner that can help you out I know Iran delivery that had the color green on it to commemorate that for The Pit Lane Parlay Grand Prix League Christian. Nfc helped out with that. A couple others in our league have done that For Mike he's doing that with the grants me to help spread awareness and so I know that while the pandemics going on it's good that other people are also highlighting the fact that you know mental health is a big thing right now obviously with working from home you know people who are either furloughed earned forcing been laid off. It's a stressful time for everybody. So please do not be afraid to seek help and reach out to somebody if you are going through something because we are here to help you and to end the stigmas so please speak up if you need anything good choice there and yes. I will be running a green livery in the grant originally gun Sunday night so guys. I think that wraps it up for the week just I mean we could talk about. I racing for another half hour if if if you want. I'm going to go ahead and sign off. You guys do whatever you want. Just can you give us a quick recap as to what that code is? What is known? Now it's time to say it. Let's let's let's find a way to mute. Met Come on Nope. We don't want to go down that that that rabbit hole of annoyingness. So everybody thank you for listening. Enjoy your weekend. Hopefully the weather is nice wherever you are in the country and stay safe and just go ahead and signing off guys. Keep your state two.

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The 75O: Bold predictions for Green Bay

Blogging the Boys

33:19 min | 1 year ago

The 75O: Bold predictions for Green Bay

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan. Welcome back to the seven five. Oh I am your are Joe. He is seven five times report champion Bala Famer and reader of notes Paul newspaper. Tony facetious donate happy Friday to you. Well happy Friday to you. TGIF and yeah you're right. I'm going old school on today and and you know I'm impressed you got. I actually stopped and got a Dallas Morning News and because I you know every once in a while. I'll get a Sunday paper but no no one buys newspapers anymore seems like I bought a the Dallas Morning News in this going through some of the headlines as we get ready for the game on Sunday and I was impressed. You came very very close on how much newspaper costs three dollars in. Actually that's closed. It's actually two dollars fifty cents. That's again. I think that's a lot I don't really much newspapers costed like ten fifteen years ago but I just it was the last time you got regular newspaper delivering. Gosh it's been that's a great question because I said they'd part of the you know the generation where you go out to the driveway with the dog and more or less now have your Labrador go and get the newspaper for you and come out inside and then have your cup of coffee man. I used to subscribe to it but again as soon as electron CITRONEN. Media became basically just instant. I decided not to do that and plus it wasn't it wasn't cheap and so I'm gonNA say. It's gotta be at least eight years ago. Maybe that makes sense like that's rat around win. It feels like everybody got an IPAD. Yeah 'cause 'cause like every everybody. Every household has like an IPAD now so no longer I everybody got a computer and then everybody started to get cell phones then everybody but he got an Ipad so interesting so you just said like the grocery store like Ana Bannu like hey. I need a physical paper. Yeah I just was running. Samaritans Marines and I just thought I saw like want instead of just going to the Internet and get my research and things I think that let me try this way. Uh and again you know the the really the the best thing about the Sunday newspaper was like the the midsection were used to have like parade eight and all this publication and I think it was just kind of the novelty you know with the war off and again. I was just running some errands. I saw the paper and I saw the headlines and I thought let me just get a paper today now. Here's the problem with that. Is that as much as I I spent two dollars and fifty cents the newspaper I probably will probably read like four or five pages which is really set at the dissect in the newspaper but but again it's good for recycling and so it. It should probably see that pretty soon interesting. Wow well hopefully you got some interesting stuff in that school brother because you know I am the old school oh man on this on this podcast without a doubt and I'm proud of I am up in terms of headlines. I saw headline the last thing thing before we get into this and I refused to believe it. It was a headline that said that they there was a study done and it chick-fil-a has the slowest drive-thru of all fast food. There's there's no way that's true but you know why because it's so damned crowded yeah but dude. It's still really fast like I know but here's the thing. RJ's there's there's. There's a year my community my little town. There's a chick-fil-a in is the town has grown so has the business chick-fil-a and even expanded ended it like two lanes and they still cannot stay on top of business. I will give him this that they do. Try to get as many people in and out and here's what I do because I don't really want to wait in a dry food line. Now I mean we're talking all the way out to the the freeway not freeway but the highway and eh I'd rather go inside and order said in my car I mean really I mean I just is it that inconvenience where you said rather sit there and wait twenty minutes drive through and just go in and get it. It probably saved another five minutes kind of lazy. Yeah I agree with that. I will not do my My chick-fil-a experience experience is hardly like that. I will say this the other night. Maybe like two weeks ago after a high school game on Friday and I I really really wanted to water burger but it was it was a water burger on a Friday night after high school football and so it took forever I mean it took twenty twenty five minutes and I did regret that so that's a good point but anyway. I refuse to believe this chick-fil-a slander. CHICK-FIL-A is not open on Sundays this Sunday though Tony. At and T. Stadium Kim is open. I think this is the game of the week for week five. I mean you look at it in the there are some some nice matchups. We've got a London game for the first first time this season. I think Monday netflix Basel underrated with the browns and forty niners but this is. I mean always packers Sunday afternoon. Joe Buck your boy Troy Wakeman Erin Andrews. It really does not get much better than that. Yeah I mean you look at the game last week. which was a huge game but I think now you you have yet to both tames three and wall and you had the cowboys? That stumbled didn't have their offenses. You know game the defense played well then you have the Green Bay packers and we all know about the history of these teams playing each other you can add the flavor of what the last time the Green Bay packers you you know did when they were in the cowboys bill and so yeah it's got a lot of flavor to it has got a lot of a lot of teams disappointing losses then when you look at the packers you know how bad they play defensively and in the cowboys but how bad they played offensively so yeah. I think it's definitely the highlight of this week's matchups in the NFL. It's I feel like we talked about this earlier in the week but I feel like whoever wins is this game has an argument to be an and again this is this is just week five has an argument to be the best team in the NFC. This does feel like a bit of a showdown down in that regard and it is interesting as you mentioned because early on the big stories for both these teams was the cowboys offense cards. Congress offense and packers defense packers the packers defense and both of those things kind of cratered in their games last week and the Green Bay against Philli Dallas Orleans so I guess I'll ask you this. What what do you have more confidence in showing up on Sunday the cowboys offense again or the packer defense. I think the offense will will will adjust. I think they'll rebound. I think again both when you look at the offense and defense the defense for the packers. They played really poorly. I mean they gave up a tiny yards versus the Ron and prior to that I mean I played pretty good defense. In the Nablus kind of been the yielded the category had been carrying their their tain and now they the Philadelphia Eagles has hit them in the mouth at home so I think for the cowboys the I the only the thing that concerns me. Is that there without one of their best offense in Lyman entitled Smith Lael Collins. You know he missed practice. I'm not not too concerned about that. So that's the that would be. My biggest. I would say concern is at their offense is not going to be full strength upfront. Now I think Secord Philemon is a is a viable backup but yeah I think the offense still Ming loosen a guy that important in your office and line I I just don't know how that's GonNa work out for the cowboys when they face a team like the Green Bay packers it again and WanNa rebound because they played so poorly against the eagles yeah I mean there. There is a a sense and a spirit of okay. We gotTA bounce back from both of these teams. You're right tire and being autists certainly not ideal. Obviously it's better news that he won't be out for a long period of time but you know we've seen the cowboys be fine without him at times. We've also seen them just be incredibly credibly awful. It does seem like Michael. Gallup is going to play that feels like a welcome return overall. I do Kinda feel like even without Tyron Tyran Smith. I just you know I watched the saints game a couple of times and it just felt so weird I mean it. Just it felt like this is a weird way to put it but I felt felt like they were purposely. Not you know digging in their bag of tricks. You know what I mean and it feels like this is a game where you know they. They are going to have to and so so I just I. I believe that the offense is going to kind of fix itself because I mean you have flooding in there for a reason and he's hung around for awhile. I mean he's he's not a bad swing tackle Michael. He's not without a doubt but so I I just I think that that absence is a smaller one for example pulled in green bay potentially missing Davante Adams well well. I think when you look at the saints game clearly there was you know those costly turnovers you take away the turnovers and it may have been in a different outcome and a game so the cowboys opposite gotta clean that up as far as running a football. I think again it's the energy they just couldn't match it off a defensively we talked about this on on Monday or Tuesday that that the saints are running downhill all game long and they just couldn't answer into that that speed and does things happen in a game like that once you create this you know this. You know this this downhill all a surge in energy. Sometimes it's hard to match and again when you get in a game like that. We're so close the the the takeaways in a toner turnovers the numbers Kailua so here's here's the thing when you play against the Green Bay game. It's it sets up for the cowboys. They come back home to huge. I mean it's a big football game. It's it's again. It's the highlight game of the week on Fox obviously an NFL so I think the cowboys that you feel that you feel that that is def- is a defense or excuse me as a team and you know you got to rectify. You're clean up the mistakes and I think that that's something that that's so great about. You know after are really really disappointed. Loss on the road to get to come back to your building. Now you'd get a chance to get back on track. Yeah I mean I. I think that I I mean if one of these teams is going to get back on track and one of them is I just the cowboys have shown a little bit more I think and there is all the talk of all was just against the giants and the Redskins. It's against the dolphins but I mean and to their crap that I suppose. The packers have beaten some impressive defences. They beat the bears. It'd be the Broncos so the broncos are kind of shoved themselves right now now but I just I mean Green Bay. The cowboys feel like like a contender. I think the key I'm not trying to say the packers not a contender Aaron Rodgers on your team. You're a contender but I feel like we haven't seen the packers really really really click and and hopefully that doesn't happen on Sunday but I just Aaron is a is a quarterback that really trusts and goes to particular targets and obviously Davante Adams one that really the cowboys last time these teams played. I think think without him that presents a very very difficult hurdle for him to try to get over. I think when when when when I've watched Ann Rogers that's a guy you. I just don't want to get hot and I think he's so good at being under siege because he moves around he improvises he makes plays and you can ever trust trust him that he's you know he's not. GonNa make a bathroom or he's not going to be an improvised and fine the open dude and I think that that it to me. That's my concern. Whenever you play quarterback and easily quarterback like that that really really can find a way to hurt you and find you know aw a weakness because you are playing aggressive. You are trying to make a big play an seemingly. He's done that his whole career. You look at the the resume made the packers when they haven't been good defensively. He is carried that team and I think for me. I really think when you look up until last last week and when they played really bad against Eagles I thought wow this team has willy. Well rounded defense finally playing good. We know what they can do offensively. Lee so their defense is going to help the offense out and in the past. It's been totally the opposite of that so I I really think Aaron Rodgers. I mean you you mentioned demonte. Adams is GonNa play but you know you have Jimmy Graham which I think is tremendous tight end. They have guys ability to run the football. I know offensively on offense line line. One of the best players offense attack was out last week. I don't know what his status is this week so there is some concern especially when you play an Raleigh Rogers. Nothing's has given a national football league and rather you know they played bad last week or the case may be going into this game having a one of the best players at the fact number twelve back there. They always always gives them a chance to win. I agree with that you mentioned Jimmy Graham and to Kinda circle go into that you know I don't I wouldn't quite call him my ex factor or my my guy that I'm most afraid of but that's just kind of see if if this didn't go the cowboys what you could kind of see Jimmy Graham just having having a stupid game you know what I mean and everybody being frustrated like what you know of. Cour- that'd be the one games would go off. He's the guy especially you know with the devante Adam situation and that's the guy that I think I'm most you know worries or worried about on the packers. Who's the packer that you now has caused you to lose the mostly this week well. I'M GONNA look at match ups and I think when you look at their secondary they have some tremendous this playmakers in the back end in one of the most dynamic quarterback. Excuse me cornerbacks have is already Alexander. here Alexander Yeah Yeah. He is a tremendous. Here's a tremendous player and I think their secondary has really upgraded since last year the my my my concern is is the matchup. Amari Cooper your last week was pretty pedestrian and you gotta give the Saints Defense a lot of credit for that because they were able to get to the quarterback and just really stop the run so to me. That's me is a concern because I don't if I'm Green Bay. I'M GONNA move him around all over the field and matching them up against Amari Cooper and rather that matchup I think for me that will dictate now. Is You mentioned earlier. Michael for Gallup is is is practicing this week so they expect him to play on Sunday. Hopefully that'll change things a little bit with his availability so they'll billy really so you know to me. That would be the biggest concern when I look at one particular player that can give the cowboys issues yeah. I think that's a great all actually Jay here. Alexander Alexander has been balling. He's really starting to get a lot of attention. Nationally really come on the packers with their secondary have kind of treated it like the cowboys treated their offensive line. They've just thrown first round. Pick after first-round pick at here. Certainly one of those Kevin King is another one a lot of cowboys fans wanted Kevin King when the team took Taco Charlton right and obviously the TACO pig worked. It wasn't a mistake at all but so yeah you're right. I mean you think about the way Marshon Lattimore had success against Amari Cooper it. Is You know at the very least troubling to think you get another elite corner elite DB on him. Somebody like actor here Alexander. That could really kind of shift the way this matchup goes. That's why I think on offense. I think the cowboys I think this could be a big. Maybe not Jason Witten in game but a big Blake Darwin game we saw Blake get involved just the tiniest bid against New Orleans and if feels like you know that that middle of the field gold is going to be where you're going to have to do. You're damn. It's GonNa be kind of scary. What those linebackers kind of dropping back but we've seemed like success? I think he could do it again. against a defense defense. It's going to focus more on the outside. I think I think Blake jarred gives you a little bit more flexibility when it comes to faster than Jason in witten obviously but I think he does give you a little bit more wiggle room if you will as far as your Bam l. to get open in the middle of the field in kind of a guy that that can look at it and just kind of move the chains yeah but so I I like that aspect of being able to use him especially whenever last week I mean look I mean offensively. They discussed shutdown. They could not run the football against him. So it's a team that really wants to run. I throw I mean. Let's face it. That's why they paid you know Ezekiel. Elliot all the money and with the highest paid running backs in the national football league because of that but I mean it it Kinda comes hand in hand but I agree with that and you know for me. I think Michael Gallup again. I think he's dynamic. He gives you more than just one really the number one receiver marquee. Excuse me a Mario Cooper yet is the guy but still there is a lot of variety when it comes to being able to use him in a lineup in Blake Jar and again I think he's emergence if you will because we have really seen that is now trying to disguise is showing up and he's really making some nice catches especially when the when the timing drag check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts for a behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown. Forecast Your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is already orange spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches wear now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP yeah I mean it. Does I know this. Just kind of sounds sounds like we're just like chugging the Cooley because we're like Oh yeah. Michael Gop should show up this gambler Charles. Shove this game. It's Tony part of that's just everybody in there but it just it makes sense sense for this team to kind of a return to form just because the New Orleans game was so weird I mean it was it was so against everything that we've seen from them up to this point point so I think we both think that the fence will get back. You know at least closer to what we saw. The first two regular season the defense is going to have a hard the time granted with with Aaron Rodgers because he's Aaron Rodgers but I read something this week Tony So. I think that you know for picking X. Factors on defense. I'm going to get their. I because I don't want to lose this guy. I'm GonNa Take Robert Queen because I don't know if you know this Robert. quit has three and a half career sacks against Aaron Rodgers in four games. He forced a fumble on him. Once this is a dude who has beaten David Bacteria plenty of times and so I think that Robert Quinn is he's the guy who's going to break this game and you can see the splash is play on defense tablets because of him and I think that's going to be a key in this game and again when you know to to really to hit on excuse me Green Bay's in defense when I look at the pretty dynamic players late Martinez to me is a is a is a pretty good is stub and I mean the guy moves around makes tackles. Maybe that's because he's a he's around boy as Martinez I I. I'm just GONNA assume what you're planning but anyways I think he gives ability to fly around and I think he really really it gives them. An opportunity is a good run stopper but yet to your point when I when I see some unlike Robert Quinn is Fassi hit his off the edge. It's tremendous the seed the disruption he can create and it's very difficult for at some got an offer to tackle that is suspect that really speed on the edge to be able to match up against Robert Quinn and I think with him. I think someone who really needs to the played better in probably getting Double Team S. demarcus Lawrence and this week I mean I I don't Thailand Thailand. Crawford is is is a scratch again this week so we talked about last week in other keys you know to me. It's all about an inside rush but yeah. I mean against Aaron. Rodgers is a guy you gotTA. Take your shots and you've got to put him down to ground and really be cognizant of your wrestling's sure I mean I know there's been talk about demarcus Lawrence this week from a lot of people I don't I mean look I mean would I rather him. Calm get through the Saxon a game whatever of course but I do think that part of the reason Robert Acquaint has been he hasn't been for the last two games has been I mean I don't know the number after this abuse. I'm this week. I don't know the number of this week but entering last week demarcus Asante seen double teams more than any other edge rusher this season so he's certainly you know getting his fair share of attention. I do think though that I mean if I'm the packers I I mean and to to break it down to like. It's most simplistic form I can. I can not just double team. Democracy Lawrence and think that that's enough I mean Robert Cohen is certainly making you made the Miami Dolphins paper that he made the New Orleans saints pay for that he was all over Teddy Bridgewater and so I just I. I think that this could be a game more democracy. Once breaks out because Robert McQueen and matlock flirt talk about this and it's one of his press conferences this week he talked about how he's aware of Robert Quinn because he was the staff with the rams went when he was there and so he kind of has that familiarity with him. I don't think Allah floors just GonNa let rob acquaint hat his way and Marcus. That would be a foolish decision. I think it all comes down your play calling also and I think you know whenever you have someone on into so so fast and disruptive and getting up Phil. You'RE GONNA try to slow them down. You run stuff inside your screens. Iran draws because you don't want to dislike him to take off and get a clear shot on your quarterback so I think they'll be some game plan. That'd be so quick passes. Check nouns just sell you know not not to give more manageable Dallas or Green Bay because you know that's the issue whenever you and that's that's what you try to create on defense third long and if they're just you know they're nickel and dime on different plays and bailed run the football because I I think the cowboys I'm not. I don't think that the pack excuse yeah the packers will be able to run the football so you know that's going to be crucial for them to get him in those third long situations but that'll be the key the game it's obviously the guys up front and how much pressure can get on. Aaron Rodgers because again although Oh you may get pressed on it and on Air Raja. We've seen it before R J that he is really good weight inside the pocket he can take a step or two or just makes these ridiculous athletic attic crazy throes and and you're like scratching your head and you're like now. There's a reason why so good because not only can hit you with the being concise. He can move around a lot more of you. Thank you can and he can find a guy and be able to extend right yeah. I agree with that. I also think that I mean on defense while I think that Robert Quinn Democracy could have some Nice Games. You're right. I mean this is Aaron Rodgers. He's going to do some stupid. Things are going to make some stupid throws. I think the weakest part of the cowboys defense right now now overall is rosy and that sucks because she granny had an interception last week was off a tip ball. It's like she made a great player. Anything not to take away from him by any means but cheeto his trouble what Devante Parker and I know that the Davante Adams thing is not as threatening but I mean she needs to kind of carry that sigh because if he's not I mean you could see Marquis Valdez scanlon kind of having his way and that being that being the well that are in Rogers goes back to you know what I mean because is Byron. Jones is playing well. She has got to carry his part too. I just think when you watch that game last week I'm Michael Thomas Outstanding but there's not a whole lot of length in the and you know when you matched up against bigger wide receivers seems to me. There's they're. They're more difficult go cheetah. You're right. He didn't play well last week and I think again when you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA pick on pick one particular category you no. That's where that Aaron Rodgers will dissect that film and watch it. Okay this this guy we're. GonNa work this guy. We're going to move them around our you know our receivers and we're going to try to create matchups and I think for me that that's that's a good point. You bring that up but again it all comes down to what they they can do upfront and I always believe that'll be my always always be. My key is against great quarterbacks is get around him. You'll make them feel uncomfortable title and really really gotTa stay disciplined. You can't really just come outta covers. You GotTa stick to your guy because as soon as you do that as I mentioned alluded due to earlier that's when Aaron Rodgers kills you right now. It's a good point. I mean it's a sad point but it's a good point so it's time. Tony I don't even remember last week's bold predictions and to be honest. I'm just GONNA assume you're both wrong because the game was so weird at broken in a lot of ways but what's sure bowl prediction for cowboys packers making. I'm going to make a juicy. I'M GONNA go defensive line because I know against Miami. I said they would get five sacks. I think this is a game where they will put Aaron Rodgers on the ground four times last week so you think you're you're getting getting four this. Well well. You'll five was against yeah. I really think that's to me and that's that's a good number and you know if I'm I'm going to look at am. I you know my statistic of what I I think my bold prediction I think they'll putting down the ground four times now that kind of segues weighs into my key and what I've been talking about. It's all going to be about who you know. put pressure on Aaron Rodgers Upfront but on the caveat of that is it's is going to be a lot to do with the interior part of the line and those guys really really have got to turn away to push the pocket and collapse it because once you know the pressure's there's GonNa come from the outside. We know that okay. We know it's going to be Robert. Planners can be demarcus lawrence so Aaron Rodgers when he steps up and he finds those windows to those lanes. That's when the pockets gotta be collapsed and again. This is a game too. I think really really if on Rod Marinelli I'm going to take shots and I'm GonNa Send Lane Banderas Jason. I thought last week those guys really really played well and really kind of restored what we saw last year especially in late and Bandra address show I that's kind of my alone bold prediction but there's a lot there. There's a lot of material there and I think for the cowboys to really have success they they gotta be able to get through Aaron. Rodgers okay well. I think that that's fair. It's certainly hard to sack Rogers not as easy as it was to sack teddy bridgewater so I didn't force definitely bold. I liked it. I thought about doing that but you beat me to it so kinda hit your local right now but what I am pretty good at it so I know last week. I I don't know what mine was. You know the cowboys lost but I think that this point. You're still kicking my ass while I will go. I mentioned him so I'm going to kind of stick with it. I will go with Blake Jarwan because I do. Kinda see this as a game that he kind of you know emerges this. This feels like I know you had three touchdowns last year against the giants in week seventeen but this kind of feels like a game where Darwin announces himself you know you you can kinda see like all the shows. All the talk shows next week saying man to cowboys. They have Amari Cooper Michael Galvin how they got this. Guy Black Jar when they're unstoppable and so I think Blake Blake Darwin Stat line he will have at least five catches. He will have at least one hundred yards and will he will score at least once. Just it just feels that way like a big John Long game to me. That's because you're you're right. You're right though Jay here Alexander and and Kevin King are going to do their part to make sure you know they're. They're not going to get beat by Mark Cooper. You know what I mean. That's just not going to happen and so I think it'd be the cowboys. You're going to have to look elsewhere and I think that also number eighty nine yeah and you know what here's the the thing also is i. I I know that the cowboy fans last week there was this overreaction because the cowboys lost and it was a tough loss but but don't be surprised if the cowboys get home because this is a team now I I mean I I really mad because the Green Bay packers a good football team and they got a good their coaches yawn but I think again. It's going to be a team. That's going to play up there on the road or playing the cowboys. Obviously the younger generation probably doesn't understand the storied relationship and their tradition of these teams. I'm sure they do hopefully Tuukka class and learn about the Dallas Cowboys Green Bay packers game but you know it so to me. That's it's GonNa be a tough football game. I don't think I I don't think the packers are gonNA. Come in here and just like okay. We're GonNa let you restore you running game all right again you know which which which leads me to my prediction okay. I'M GONNA pick the cowboys to win. I'M GONNA take I'M GONNA pick the cowboys to win twenty twenty one to twenty. Oh okay. I liked that. I liked that. I liked that a lot. Actually I will go very very very very close. I will go twenty seven twenty six. I think it's a crazy close game. I think this is a contender contender for game of the year and I think we'll all enjoy it a lot so I hope I hope you enjoyed Tony. The next day you can read about in the paper payments. That may be something superstitious. I may have to do if that's the case yet and it's black and white and there's a lot of pictures you know. May when I read I like a lot of pitchers. That's true so the cowboys win. Tony's getting a paper subscription journal figure out which outlet it is cowboys. Oh boy we've got you know. We've got some some good good predictions gone. I feel pretty good about this so ready for a good weekend. Tony Ready for the AH the baseball playoffs star. It's a lot I know. I admit I have not followed baseball. The a's lost last night right. They did they did this so I mean it. Is it now we got Tampa Bay or excuse me so it the Bay Houston Yeah Yeah. I'll pick in Houston to win. At all I got I got Houston and the dodgers round three straight world series for the dodgers so with the Astros win again well right on downs good but then everybody make sure you have a great weekend. hopefully our predictions come true. Hopefully has some great stuff to talk about on Monday morning. Tony you have a great weekend. I'll do my best as well everyone we enjoyed it. This was the seventy five oh

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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

"On the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty the eighty fourth annual Boston marathon began in Hopkinton Massachusetts over five thousand runners in nearly half. A million spectators gathered for the big race about two hours. After the marathon began. The first runners began to finish. The first was as expected. The number one male runner in the World Bill Rodgers as he crossed the finish line. Rogers won his third straight Boston marathon with a time of two hours. Twelve minutes and eleven seconds twenty minutes later the first woman approached the finish line fans stood up expecting to see famed Canadian runner Jacqueline Garo instead. They saw an unknown runner that not even the most obsessive running expert recognized it was Rosie Ruiz. A twenty six year old administrative assistant from New York running in her second ever marathon. Ruis looked exhausted her arms flailing wildly as if she was swimming her way to the finish line when Ruiz crossed the finish line. The led timer listed her time as two hours. Thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds. She hadn't just won the race. She'd also set the fastest women's Marathon in American history. Ruis grimace and smiled. As she finished the race she had seemingly accomplished the impossible coming out of nowhere to win. The most celebrated long distance running event in the world. But it was all a lie. Rosie Ruiz hadn't set a record time. She hadn't even run the race. Welcome to sports. Criminals Park has original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Corduroy. You can find episodes of sports criminals. And all of their par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to PODCASTS TO STREAM. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. But it's no how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast in twitter at podcast network today we're discussing. Rosie Ruiz who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. Only for it to be revealed later that she won the race by cheating this week will explore Ruiz's beginnings and how? She lied to win the Boston. Marathon next week will cover the fallout of the marathon. And how his life changed. Afterwards Rosie Ruiz's early life is shrouded in mystery. What's known as that? She was born in Havana Cuba on June. Twenty First Nineteen fifty three when she was eight years old she and her mother moved to Miami Florida. Miami felt like an entirely new and alien world to younger. We's she was overwhelmed and isolated living in a new country and city surrounded by a language. She didn't speak. She started running both as a way to escape her anxiety in as a way to come to terms with her new surroundings sometime later she was separated from her mother and sent to Hollywood Florida to live with her aunts and uncles again. She took to running to cope. She began running cross country in high school but had to stop when she suffered a knee injury that required surgery even running. The one thing she clung to was taken away from her. After high school she left Florida to study music at Wayne. State College in Nebraska. It was another new world for her but she learned to adapt one year into her college career. Reza's life was thrown for a loop. When she was involved in a serious car crash. She suffered a blow to the head in the accident. It left her with. Chronic severe headaches and occasional blackouts these lingered far longer than could be explained by the crash so in late. Nineteen seventy three. She flew back to Miami where doctors could examiner after a battery of tests. They found the cause of headaches a tumor the size of Tangerine embedded in her skull. Shockingly the doctors told her that the tumor had been there since she was born at Twenty Years. Old Ruis underwent brain surgery to remove the mass. Luckily the growth turned out to be benign in nineteen seventy seven after graduating from college. Roy's decided not to return to Miami instead. She threw herself into yet another new city. The Big Apple at this point relieves was comfortable with constant moves in new surroundings and even liked it. She moved into a high rise apartment near Times Square with two roommates and got a job as an administrative assistant for a metal trading company but shortly after she moved to New York. She had her first brush with the law in late. Nineteen seventy seven release allegedly stole credit cards from an acquaintance apartment in racked up. Fifteen hundred dollars in false charges the acquaintance lodged a complaint with the NYPD but Ruiz paid restitution and the charges were dropped compounding. Her legal issues were continuing health issues. In September of nineteen seventy eight Ruiz's doctors discovered a small defect Inter Skull Leftover from the first brain surgery. She needed another operation. So a plastic plate could be inserted in her skull throughout her life. Ruiz had turned to running to cope with their problems. So in February nineteen seventy nine when she finally felt physically well. Enough twenty-four-year-old Rosie. Ruiz once again began running. She managed to log a hundred miles a week either running through central park or by training on an exercise bike in her apartment after a few months running. Ruiz decided she was ready to put herself to the test. She wanted to run a marathon. A marathon is a grueling long distance. Run of twenty six miles and three hundred eighty five yards. It takes its name. Inspiration from the legend of Philipe vs. Who In four ninety? Bc ran from the battle of marathon to the city of Athens to announce the Greeks victory over the Persians. The distance between those two points about twenty six miles became the basis of the modern marathon. The sport was invented for the first Olympic Games in April eighteen. Ninety six in Athens Greece by the Mid Twentieth Century completing a marathon had become one of the most prestigious feats an athlete could accomplish and Rosie ries wanted to prove herself an accomplished athlete. It was a huge jump for her while she had been taking running seriously. Ruis was not an experienced long distance runner. She'd likely never run anything close to marathon length but she was determined to try. Ruis tried to fill out an application for the New York marathon but discovered that the deadline had passed. She contacted the marathon's organizers and ask for special dispensation claiming she was dying of brain cancer convinced by her story. The marathon's organizers allowed her to turn in the application late on the application Ruis listed her expected finishing time as just over four hours about average for marathon and a very respectable time for a first time runner. On the morning of October Twenty First Nineteen seventy-nine Ruis arrived at Fort Wadsworth on Staten Island to compete in the New York City Marathon. It was the largest New York marathon since the event's inception in nineteen seventy with eleven thousand five hundred thirty three runners including forty-six hundred first timers like ruis an estimated crowd of two point. Five million spectators gathered along the race route to cheer the runners on Res Checked in at Fort Wadsworth received a number and took her place waiting among the massive crowd of runners at nine. Am The starting cannon fired. The race was on to give herself out. Ruis asked her roommate to meet her eight miles into the race to check if she wanted to drop out. When Ruis reached the eight mile mark she looked up and saw her roommate waving her from the crowd. Ruis shook her head telling her roommate that she felt good and was going to finish. She was not going to quit somewhere near the ten mile. Mark near Nineteenth Street in Brooklyn or we had a change of heart either due to injury or due to exhaustion. She walked off the course and left the race. That didn't mean she had given up on her goal of finishing however far from it. She had just decided to take a little shortcut. Ruiz descended into the subway system. And got onto the one train. Going North into Manhattan. She took a seat and kept her head down trying not to draw any attention to herself with thousands of people participating in the New York Marathon. It wouldn't have seemed that unusual to see a runner on a train. After a few stops release felt more comfortable and struck up a conversation with a woman named Susan Morrow who was sitting next to her as it turned out the two of them were going to the same place. The marathon's finish line in central park. Ruiz told tomorrow that she twisted her ankle at the ten mile mark of the marathon but wanted to cheer on the other runners at the end of the race. Moro was headed to see her friend. Crossed the finish line ruis and her new friend got off the subway at Columbus Circle and made their way into central park. Rees was noticeably limping and would occasionally lean on Morro shoulders. They pushed through the crowd and police barricades to get to the finish line as they made their way through. The crowd. Ruis grabbed a can of juice and poured it over her head. Moro thought that was odd but reason that it was a quirky runners. Habit when the two of them reached the final barricade. Ruiz declared herself an injured runner and was helped into the medical tent. Then are we told the medical staff at the marathon that she'd already completed the race. They credited her a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds ranking her twenty third place among all women that time also qualified her for the Boston Marathon one of the most famous and celebrated running events in the world after briefly receiving treatment on her ankle. Ruis emerged from the medical tent and found Moro. They exchanged contact information. Andrew we suggested the two could have lunch the next week then. Ruiz disappeared into the crowd. Loved everything about the marathon the thrill of the racist beginning the Camaraderie with other runners and the victory of finishing the only part she didn't like was having to actually run all twenty six miles but she had seemingly found a way around that when she returned to work. The following Monday release received a hero's welcome. Her coworkers were shocked and impressed by her achievement and res Soaked in the attention her boss who also happen to be. A runner was particularly impressed after finding out that her time qualified her for the Boston marathon he generously offered to pay for a weekend trip to compete in April her. We graciously accepted but despite her supposed successes all is not well for Rosie Ruiz in the days and weeks following her surprisingly strong finish in the New York Marathon. She began to feel increasingly nervous. Her fraudulent act hadn't just impressed her roommates and friends. It had also created expectations among her co workers and her boss but now had to be met. She couldn't risk letting them all down even worse if she performed badly in Boston she'd risked revealing that her New York Marathon. Finish with a lie so she trained with the intention of running the full race in addition to wanting to prove herself rees also knew that her cheat in. Newark wasn't guaranteed to work in Boston. Which was a more prestigious race with greater media attention and scrutiny in the five months between the New York Marathon and the Boston Marathon? Ruis ran as much as she could. Outside of work as the race approached in the spring of one thousand nine hundred eighty however rees likely knew she wasn't ready. The truth was she wouldn't be able to legitimately come close to the two hours fifty six minutes. She supposedly accomplished in New York and it was even more likely that she wouldn't be able to finish the race at all but she couldn't quit. She had to see it through on April twentieth. Nineteen eighty the night before the marathon. Ruiz called her mother in Miami. She asked her mother to pray for her and said that she needed to win. Her mother applied that she always prayed for the next morning. Rees left her hotel and walk to the starting area of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. It would be the most consequential day of her entire life. When we come back Rosie Ruis takes on the Boston Marathon. It's Carter. I am happy to announce the launch of our new podcast series supernatural. With Ashley. Flowers has been a great success. It's a show where all very proud of here at podcast and we thank you for listening. If you haven't had a chance to tune in yet I definitely recommend you head over to the supernatural with Ashley Hours. Feed and start following today every Wednesday Ashley. Flowers takes on a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional where the deaths of two Brazilian men a result of making contact with spirits on Mars. Get closer to the truth than ever before. Regarding the mystifying lead masks case did four friends have a highly unusual encounter during a camping trip in Maine sort through the out of this world circumstances surrounding the allegations incident. And who and what were responsible for the unexplained death of Australia's Somerton man dig deeper into the peculiar details and poetry involved in the case. Each week Ashley takes on the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences. That's already one of my favorite shows and I hope you check it out. Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now Back to the story as twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz stepped up to the starting line of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. She felt a huge amount of pressure to perform. Not only did she feel a personal pressure to replicate her supposedly great finish in the one thousand nine hundred seventy nine New York marathon but she also felt as though she was carrying the burden of the women who came before her. She couldn't let herself do significantly worse in Boston. Let alone fail to finish and risk revealing that. Her performance in New York was ally too much was at stake her reputation her job and possibly even the reputation of women's long distance running the Boston. Marathon was one of the first races established after the eighteen ninety six Olympics and was first held one year later on April. Nineteenth 1897 quickly established itself as one of the most respected and celebrated running events the world and remains today. The world's oldest annual marathon marathons I began. They were only open to male runners and it took nearly seventy five years for the Boston Marathon to be open to women in nineteen sixty six twenty four old. Roberta Gibbs submitted an application for the Boston marathon but was rejected by the race director. Who stated that women were physiologically incapable of running long distances? Give refuse to accept that instead. She took a bus from San Diego to Boston and hid in the bushes as the race started. After a few moments and wearing a bulky sweater she surreptitiously jumped into the crowd of runners within a few minutes. The runners around realize that Gabe was a woman gave her their support. After they told Gibbs that they wouldn't let the race organizers. Throw her out give took offer sweatshirt and revealed her gender by the end of the marathon. She was a celebrity. The Governor of Massachusetts arrived to shake her hand as she crossed the finish line. Still the race refused to allow women but give had inspired them to run it anyway. The next year twenty nine year old Katherine Switzer registered as a male to get a number and penny then finished the race. Despite race officials attempt to physically remove her from the race. Thanks to the efforts of women like give and Switzer the Amateur Athletics Union finally permitted women to running marathons in nineteen seventy two that year. Eight women started the race and all finished by the time Rosie. Ruiz arrived in Boston in one. Thousand nine hundred eighty. The number of women running had risen to four hundred fifty six still a fraction compared to the five thousand male runners when Rosie ries woke up on the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty. She may have intended on running the race legitimately despite her lies about finishing in the New York Marathon. She might have still been conflicted about doing the same in Boston and may have wanted to prove to herself that she could run the entire race but cheating was always an option. The weather was warm that morning when Rosie Ruiz left her hotel. She took the train to the suburb of. Hopkinton where she met. Four hundred and fifty five other women and over five thousand men at the starting line of the marathon. She received the official number W fifty signifying that. She was the fiftieth ranked woman in the race. Thanks to her supposed finish in New York Jacqueline Guerrero. A Canadian runner was the favourite to win the women's race. She'd won the National Capital Marathon Ottawa. The year before and many of the spectators in Boston that day were there to see if Garo could win another Gero stiffest competition was with American Patti. Lyons who came in second in the New York Marathon. Twenty six year old. Rosie Ruis was not on anyone to radar despite her high rank and her strong finish in New York but ruis was there to win and was willing to do whatever it took to achieve. First place the starting gun was fired. Fans cheered as Rosy Ruis and a five thousand other runners set off on the twenty six mile journey shoulder to shoulder in a massive swarm. It wasn't long before her legs and feet to tire. Her breathing became more labored. Deep down understood that Oliver Training hadn't truly prepared her for a full marathon. She was never going to finish all twenty six miles not long into the race. Release had a momentous decision to make. She could admit her own shortcomings and quit but she thought about the consequences. She might face what would happen if her boss who paid for her to run in the Boston. Marathon found out. She hadn't even made it half way. The other option was to cheat sheet. Already gotten away with the New York and believes she could easily get away with it again so she made her decision. She turned in abruptly. Jog off the race route. Just like she had in New York for we took a shortcut after exiting the race release found a quiet place to wait for an hour staying as far away from view. She could when enough time had passed to make her finishing time believable. She made her way to the nearest train station and took the hour long train. Ride to Kenmore Square and Bruins is more careful than she'd been in New York. She kept to herself and didn't strike up a conversation with anyone as she boarded the Green Line train. The train was crowded and releases heart pounded as it crawled toward Boston. Desperately hoping that no one would make eye contact and ask her about the marathon number on her shirt. No one did ruis made it to Boston. Without being noticed. When Ruiz reached her destination she left the train and headed for the finish line slipping through the busy crowd where we started running as she approached the race. Just over two hours after the race began rosie. Ruiz emerged from the crowd of cheering spectators and seamlessly merged with the marathon runners. She glanced behind her then to her left and right none of the spectators nor any of the other runners seemed to recognize that anything was a myth. However we's had rejoined the race far ahead of any other female runners. It's possible that she simply missed judged her jump into the marathon however it's also possible that like she told her mother she felt as though she needed to win and and tried her best to do exactly that after jumping onto the course ruis reportedly ran the last mile of the race. She built up enough sweat to look convincing enough to most spectators and the enthusiastic crowd cheered her on as she stumbled past the finish line. Exactly two hours thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds after the race began rosie. Ruiz had fought her way through car. Crashes Brain surgeries and numerous personal problems to win the most prestigious running event in the world. It was no longer Rosie ries administrative assistant. She was now Rosie Ruis Boston marathon champion after crossing the finish line released put on a good show and played. The part of a marathon runner exhausted looking. She nearly collapsed into the arms of two police officers. Photographers and TV. Cameramen FOCUS THEIR LENSES. On the victorious. Ruis as she limped with the officers help away from the finish line. Other runners congratulated Ruiz as she passed which she acknowledged with a smile. Ruis made it to the victory stand where race officials congratulated her and placed a laurel wreath on her head suddenly energetic ruis wave to the crowd in beamed taking in all the attention. She had gotten away with her lie. Rosie Ruis had become in the blink of an eye a famed marathon champion. Three minutes after Rosie. Ruiz Finished Jacqueline. Gareau cross the finish line and was met with a polite cheer from the crowd. Caro- immediately noticed that the cheers weren't as loud as she expected. She looked up to the winner. Stand and saw Rosie Ruiz with a wreath and a metal and was confused. She hadn't seen her we's at any point in the entire race. Garo finished with a time of two hours. Thirty four minutes and twenty eight seconds. A new personal best but there was no fanfare or Laurel Wreath for her no prize for second place. We had beaten the women's record by nearly three minutes on the victory. Stage Rosie Ries took place alongside men's winner bill. Rogers Rogers took one look at release and furrowed his brow. He expected to be standing alongside. Jacqueline Guerrero enro- the first words Rogers said to Ruiz were simply. Who are you as Ruis? Innocently introduced herself. Rogers took a closer look at her and quickly realized that something was fishy. Ruis was wearing a thick shirt with sleeves. Despite the fact that all elite long distance runners preferred thin sleeveless shirts even stranger. There were no sweat stains on her uniform. She didn't seem nearly as exhausted as Rogers knew she would be after finishing a marathon on top of all that we simply didn't physically look like she was in shape to be a marathon runner however it was too late to stop the celebrations Massachusetts Governor. Edward King shook ruis and Rogers hands as he awarded them their medals and congratulated them on their victories as the two winners stood together on the podium. Rogers made small talk with Ruiz. He asked her what her splits where and was met with a blank stare for. We didn't know that splits were harassed time divided into smaller parts that confirmed it for Rogers. She definitely hadn't run the race. Rogers the race organizers and members of the press. Were beginning to realize what had happened but ruis for the moment was victorious. She was on top of the world down in the crowd. Bill Rodgers brother. Charlie watched and begin to feel physically. Ill He also realized that Ruiz's didn't look like a marathon runner and that there must have been a mistake as the medal ceremony concluded. Charlie set off to find a race official to tell them of his suspicions within five minutes of visas victory. The organizers of the marathon knew something had gone terribly wrong when we come back Rosie. Ruiz faces serious questions about her shocking marathon. Victory now back to the story on April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six year old administrative assistant rosier. We's came out of nowhere to win the Boston Marathon. It was a great story. An amateur runner with only one other race tour name. Who beat the odds to win the marathon? It seemed too good to be true because it was rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the marathon at all she had cheated. Suspicion started to mount immediately after we cross the Finish Line. It started with a male winner. Bill Rodgers who could sense? That hadn't run twenty six miles a few minutes. After Ruiz was given her medal she was pulled into a television interview. With Catherine Switzer. Who had run the marathon in nineteen sixty seven by registering as a man? Switzer introduced released to the world as the winner of the marathon in possibly a new American women's running record holder. First Switzer ash-trees. How many marathons she'd run before. Ruis responded that this was her second after the New York Marathon. Only a few months before with a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes Switzer asked what Ruiz's attributed her twenty minute improvement to between pauses to sneeze and cough. We simply said she didn't know like bill. Rogers Switzer began to feel doubt so she tried to take deeper. She asked Ruiz if she'd been training with a lot of heavy intervals. Workouts designed to increase speed ruis laughing replied that she didn't even know what intervals were. Switzer's unease was evident in her expression when she ended the interview noting that Ruiz was a mystery woman who seemingly evaded all of the marathons checkpoints on her way to victory by the time. The two winners were brought in front of a group of reporters for a news. Conference that confusion over releases out of nowhere. Victory had turned into suspicion. Reporters followed Switzer's lead and peppered Ruis questions releases answer is left the reporters more skeptical than they'd been before. She said she'd only been running long distances for a year and a half didn't have a coach or advisor and didn't know what time splits were to explain why she didn't seem tired after running an entire marathon. Ruiz said she'd gotten up with a lot of energy that morning. When asked how it was possible that no other female runner had spotted her during the race. She offered three explanations. I she had passed herself off of the men seconds. She was so new to the sport that no one knew who she was and finally her short hair must've made the other runners assumes he was male the reporters were now certain that something was wrong with Rosie Ruis Inter victory by the time the final marathon runner crossed the finish line. Just over an hour. After Ruiz's finish rumors and speculation were spreading rapidly. Adding fuel to the fire were comments from Jacqueline Guiraud and Patty Lions stating that. Neither of them saw any woman pass them during the race. After the press conference Bill Rodgers went right to the Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney and told him that there was no way. Ruis had run the race. Clooney knew he had to handle the situation carefully. He was concerned about the effect cheating scandal might have on the reputation of the Boston Marathon. A few hours after the race clooney met with Rosie Ruiz at her hotel so she could tell her side of the story or we brought along her friend. Steve Merrick the president of a running club join the week before the marathon. Who claimed he could vouch for? Release Ruis defiantly maintained that she ran the whole race and won it fair and square merrick backed up Ruiz's story as much as he could specifically noting that he saw her at the starting line in Hopkinton however neither America nor anyone else saw release at any other point in the race. Clooney left the hotel that night. Unsure of the truth release was convincing but so is Rogers. Only one thing was clear. The Boston marathon was now embroiled in a major controversy and it was up to Clooney in the Boston Athletic Association to find out what really happened while cloney began investigating the marathon winners. Victory Lap continued normally early the next morning on April Twenty Second Nineteen Eighty Rosie. Ruiz and Bill Rodgers were brought to the set of a local. Tv show called good day live to be interviewed about their wins. Rogers uneasiness about Ruis had overtaken his own personal satisfaction about winning the race. He wasn't just concerned. That Jacqueline Guiraud had been cheated out of a metal. Like Wilk Loni. He was worried about the effect scandal. Like this might have on the sport as a whole before going onto the set. Rogers pulled me aside and privately delivered a stern warning. He told her that if anything had gone wrong during the marathon she needed to admit it as soon as possible where we hesitated tears appeared at the corners of her eyes for a split second. Rogers believed that Ruiz was going to confess instead. Release shook her head and crying. Repeatedly stated that she'd won legitimately Rogers decided to let it go for the moment and the two went ahead with the TV appearance by the time of their TV interview. The whispers about Ruiz at grown ladder and suspicion escalated the TV host citing an article written by a running expert in the New York. Post asked both Ruis Ann Rogers about the reported belief that improvement from the New York. Marathon to Boston was physically impossible. Rogers answered diplomatically. Saying that while improvement is possible. He couldn't conceive of a twenty minute improvement. He then said that Ruis would need to resolve. These questions. Ruis herself remained quiet outside the TV studio. The controversy only mounted that morning race director will clooney announced that he had opened an investigation into the allegations against Rosier we's it wouldn't be an easy or straightforward task to determine whether rosaries cheated the Boston Marathon. Didn't record the times of every individual runner as they reached one of the races. Numerous checkpoints instead. The marathon only recorded the numbers of the first one hundred runners at each checkpoint since the first one hundred runners were all male. None of the women's times were recorded at any checkpoint. Instead of relying on checkpoint evidence Clooney would need to closely review recordings of the TV broadcast in eyewitness testimony a team of experts including Katherine Switzer reviewed three sets of video from the race and couldn't identify Rosie Ruiz on any of them nor could they find Ruis on one of the informal lists the top five women runners at any point in the race has the scrutiny intensified Rosie. Ruiz returned home to New York City but she couldn't escape the controversy. The press was beginning to hound. Her now explicitly questioning the validity of her picked. The questions only got louder as the story grew into a nationwide scandal. The concerns led the New York marathon to open their own investigation. Internal wheezes twenty third place finish reporters dug into Rosie Ruiz's life story traveling to Miami and Nebraska searching for clues. They didn't find much. Though classmates. At Wayne State College did remember that. Ruis was an avid jogger. Her we sought refuge in her apartment from the constant media. Attention but dog had reporters still followed some even resorted to sneaking past the building security guards to go directly to Ruiz's door eventually released into roommates abandoned the apartment and move somewhere secret their hunker down and try to ride out the storm with the constant media attention and the looming threat of disqualification release. Felt as though she were living in a nightmare throughout every interaction with her roommate's friends or reporters who manage to track her down Ruis never wavered. She stuck to her story. She had run the entire race. Meanwhile investigations continued in both Boston in New York to determine if she was lying in Boston officials and reporters interviewed the runners who've finished next her. We's none of them saw her. During the race in New York officials reviewed videotape of every runner. That crossed the finish line and couldn't find Ruis. None of the mounting circumstantial evidence was enough. However for Boston Marathon Director Wilk Loni to disqualify Rosie Ruis with so much attention on the marathon and the investigation. He felt as though he needed beyond the shadow of a doubt he needed something. More concrete like clear eyewitness testimony. John Faulkner Harvard Senior was jogging by the marathon with his friend. On April twenty. First as they went past the crowd at Kenmore Square they witnessed a woman in a yellow shirt running. Strangely through the crowd she entered the race in its final mile. Faulkner didn't think much of it at the time. Assuming that someone would stop her realize she jumped into the race. The next morning faulkner opened his copy of the Boston Globe and saw photograph of Rosie Ruiz on the front page announcing her as the winner of the marathon. It was the same woman he saw jump into the race. Faulkner initially didn't want to involve himself but after cajoling from his roommates he finally agreed to call the Boston Globe and tell a reporter he'd seen meanwhile in New York another eyewitness reached out. Susan Moro the woman who had befriended Ruis during the New York. Marathon was watching the news when report about the Boston. Marathon came on. Moreo immediately recognized the marathon winner as the same woman. She'd met on the subway as the news. Report continued covering the controversy around Ruiz's. Finish moral began to feel nervous. She didn't know what to do. After some deliberation moral decided to contact the New York Times the next day on Wednesday April twenty third. The Boston Globe published John faulkners eyewitness account early that morning. Reporters News vans arrived at Harvard eager to interview him that night. The New York Marathon director told reporters that he didn't believe Ruis could even run one mile at the pace. She claimed to have run entire marathon with evidence against term mounting Rosie. Ruiz called a press conference the next day. Her only ally. Steve Merrick stood beside her and warned reporters ahead of time that he'd end the press conference if it turned into a carnival. Susan Morrow attended the press conference at the invitation of New York Times reporter. The reporter asked Mario. Ruiz was the woman she'd seen riding the subway during the New York. Marathon Monroe said without question. It was the same woman as cameras snapped Rosie. Ruiz stood in front of a skeptical crowd of reporters. Despite Merrick's warning the reporters were noisy and hostile given the published accounts of John Faulkner. Many of the reporters expected release to confess admit that she cheated and end the entire controversy instead with slight smirk on her face. Rosie Ruis once again insisted that she'd run the race. Moreover she blamed the media for the controversy claiming their coverage was unfair and that any unknown runner. Who won the marathon would be subjected to the same scrutiny and skepticism that she was although Ruiz continued to vociferously denied the allegations of cheating. The tide was already turning against her and it wouldn't be long before her entire house of cards came tumbling down. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with part two of Rosie Reza's story. We'll see how her story eventually crumbled. Our life was affected. 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We want and outside of education but if she didn't cause her own death who do thank did. I think jeremy killer intrude michelle fashion. I'm breaking up with him to start my life over breaking up with her boyfriend jeremy who just happens to be in the sheriff's department because i think they walked in the door. Jeremy armie told them fellow officers. This is a suicide everything. Stop no one's charged tonight. We're doing our own twenty twenty investigation. You better take the gun out in tustin and the families to even in your body. She's resting in peace but i just had this desire for the truth. Apparently pointing to autopsy is only i could just gosh just seem very obvious that there is the climb against my daughter in meeting for coffee and local gas station call came over the radio. Four shots fired immediately jumped up left. The gas station. Get in our cars was unsure what to expect when we get on c. Saint augustine florida in two thousand ten deborah maynard was a sheriff's deputy assigned to the southeastern r._a._m. She remembers numbers racing to the scene in response to this nine. One one call on seven seven on your call is placed by fellow deputy jeremy banks. Whatever when help arrives deputies find a seat every bit as grisly as the caller describes walked in around the bar in the kitchen and and i saw some feet of female prone on the floor they're the victim is jeremy begs girlfriend friend twenty-four-year-old michelle o'connell. She's got a gunshot wound to the head and dozens of prescription painkillers in her pocket and i looked across the room and <hes> the deputy in question dairy banks was crouched at the bathroom door just squatting. They're holding a phone in his hand. A deputies instructed snapped these photos to document the scene before e._m._t.'s begin life saving measures. The weapons sits left at the tack light on the gun is in the on position russian. The pictures also reveal a separate shot fired into the carpet. Despite the efforts of the first responders at the scene michelle o'connell donald is pronounced dead at eleven forty eight p._m. Outside the home some deputies detectives begin to reach a conclusion being it was a woman took her own life. Some of them were later interviewed as part of the investigation. I didn't have any suspicions that it was anything other than suicide it. I think that's what we were all kind of discussing how but just making sure that we covered our bases that appeared. She had committed suicide. You fellow deputies take time to console a coworker a friend in his time of need to jeremy's asked if he was okay and vise jerry that you know i'm i'm here for him. Anything he needs a squad cars used as a makeshift interview room to question the twenty-three-year-old banks. That interview is recorded by detective all right this detective how it is officially september third at one twenty three in the morning outside in the yard garage gosh of sitting on it down. I heard it pop exactly what it was and branded size search agreement or name. The door was locked in screener name again. I heard a golf again for the second time a sad story for sure but not a headline grabbing one in and around saint augustine. No i mean it wasn't really a story. It hadn't been reported anywhere ever so there was no actual news story about it before we did all that's left for sheriff's deputies to do now is informed the o'connell family a tragedy. They just said that she committed suicide. Your daughter killed herself. She committed suicide. I said this is. There's no way that michelle would ever take her life. Michelle o'connell on on a single mom was working two sometimes three jobs to support a four year old daughter alexis alexis and our whole life changed. She just lived for alexis. You know some people are just meant to be mothers and michelle was meant to be mother. She was devoted. There's there's no way who would take care of alexis. De shells life was looking up after she landed a dream job at a daycare center. Turn teresa woodward was director. Who gave her the job. They took her over to the vice president's office to get her key. It's a very prestigious thing to be <music> honored to be respected to be trusted to have k. two building michelle was so excited it was literally and figuratively the key to her future. She was so elated that she had a job. That was a career. She said i'm going to the doctor and not even sick but i have insurance sir once in my life but on the very day michelle was set to start her life changing position. I got a phone call. That said that michelle had died. I said no o'connell's brother and sisters say the family's grief turns to frustration once they realized realized sheriff's department spent just a few hours at the scene before calling michelle's death a suicide i mean the word suicide was thrown around right off forbath without any investigation and i screamed and yelled tom my lawns. We want an outside investigation but two days later the medical examiner examiner doctor frederick toben performs an autopsy and officially rules for deaf a suicide and the sheriff says no to an outside investigation david shores powerful political and protective of the men and women on his forces. This is just a sheriff that agricole and a situation that was mishandle and at the at the root of the family that suffers because of eagles and power sores career lawmen and an elected official official he is so well connected he often runs and wins on opposed but now he finds himself facing stiff opposition from the victim's family and friends. I think jeremy gilder even more stunning deborah maynard who's at the scene that night agrees and for you. That's eddie's murder. What does the family know about the relationship between show jeremy and you tracking michelle the last ninety minutes of her life what happened through various interviews the last hour michelle o'connell's life in florida can be put on a timeline. It begins with a concert here at the saint augustine amphitheatre. It's a hot sticky night and a packed house as the curtain is about to go up for the band paramore the curtain however is about to come down on ms showing jeremy's relationship as the band plays. They're hit misery businesses. Jeremy and michelle are caught up in their own misery fighting. Has it's become all too common. The couple had words before during and after the show found they never bad finding us always just are you but having purchased seats in advance michelle decided to see the show and then call it quits with jeremy intrude michelle fashion. I paid for the tickets. I'm going. I'm breaking up with him. I'm starting my life over and you know i'm more sensitive. It is and she said i'll be fine. Michelle's brothers sean was seated with the contentious couple and describes jeremy this way just kind of withdrawn and tonight went on you know i was like i'm here with my sister and this guy's being like debbie downer over here so i was like hey do you mind scooting over. If you're not not gonna have fun at the concert with my sister i'm definitely going to this photo was taken of a subdued banks at the show. Michelle is all smiles with her brother hours earlier she. She had lunch with her sister. I had met michelle for lunch at my place and we were talking about her looking for a new apartment fat. She was breaking up with jeremy. This was kind kind of a coalition. I was concerned with all the violence and how the relationship had turned your whispers of verbal and physical physical abuse from both sides. He said there's going to be a fight because he's gonna want me to go out after the concert and i don't even go to the concert because i knew jeremy was rachel. I knew i knew in my heart something was going to happen. Something is happening. Sister chrissy begins receiving curious text messages from michelle at the concert. Promise me one thing lexi will be happy and always have a good life. I promise you what that no matter. What lexi will always be safe and loved what's going on. I'm scared. It seems like a mixed message. Someone saying a final goodbye for someone who feels danger may be coming their way as the concerts led out michelle alerts chrissy who is watching michelle's four year old daughter. I'll be there soon. It is an appointment michelle will not keep after the show. The couple begins to drive home. That's when michelle informs jeremy. It's over para. She said ah stuff out by this weekend. Break up. She said yes and we were talking about it l. e. voice we are but we have the hausler fine. According to jeremy michelle is inside well. He remains outside with two friends who stopped over after the concert. Michelle comes outside to retrieve a makeup bag from the car and quickly returns after ten to twenty minutes the friends leave. Jeremy says he's alone in this garage. I heard a pop exactly what it was. Just instinct said what what happens in what does not happen in the hours that follow troubles former f._b._i. Agent brad garret you get to a small department. You're really talking about people you're friends with that. They're talking into and so you need a level of objectivity in those interviews objectivity that may have been lost says garrett shortly after help arrived. I think they walked in the door. Dr jeremy told them fellow officer. This is a suicide everything stopped. Do you just take a guys word of course not the only way you find that out is is to treat the scene like it's a homicide until you prove it otherwise that was not done in this case according to deborah maynard who was fired by the sheriff reportedly ridley for on truthfulness made claims it was because the sheriff asked her to lie in an unrelated case and she refused. We were told it was a suicide. They automatically adequately said it was a suicide though we are trained to say every scene is a homicide until proven otherwise twelve days later banks is in the sheriff's office for another interview when he first walks in. He's not treated like a possible suspect but firmly colleague harvey steady chernow jeremy blurts out in admission revealing gained access to a sheriff's report on this case partial but horn the other side a detail. The detective seems to gloss over the basics. I wish you where do you saw things. How in the hell does jeremy get to review the report before he's interviewed by his peers. This is crazy. Some in the department would later admit to having doubts that night when i walked into that room the first thought that went through my mind was this this is not good for jeremy former deputy. Deborah maynard is even more critical of the sheriff's department scale one to ten ten being a great job. I'm on an investigation. Malaysia ranks one the sheriff would later acknowledged missteps were made among the missteps deputies failed to canvas the neighborhood for witnesses deputies failed to interview the students family members deputies failed to isolate interview and photograph banks in a structured environment and what about jeremy could he have done more attorney mac macleod represents jeremy banks. He busts in the room. She shot herself. He's calling nine. One one get over here. Get over here right wouldn't occur to him as a deputy. Take her pulse perform life. Saving measures do everything everything he can to try to save her life. I don't think it's frame of mind was as deputy at the time as i was saying i think is frame of mind was just completely shocked in freaked out but the o'connell families says none of this makes any sense. She wasn't looking to take her life in fact she was looking to save a life. Her appointment book found in the car shows michelle had signed up for c._p._r. Training two days after her death remember those pills found in michelle's pocket they were from jeremy's prescription bottle. None were found in her system. All of the pills were accounted for and keep in mind. She was looking for her makeup bag minutes minutes before her death and had plans to meet up with her friend mindy fox his aac. You're not gonna flake on me. Are you still hanging out tonight and i was like yes. We're still hanging <hes>. She's a good while the sheriff's department and michelle's family are at odds over how she died. It is undeniable. Michelle was killed with banks service weapon. It took four months but sherve shore finally bows to family pressure knowing his investigation fell short. 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Thanks to spanish explorer pulse daily on the fountain of youth has been a must see attraction and saint augustine for years but upon closer inspection is actually akin to a minor water main break. Some things are simply not what they appear and saint augustine. That's the mindset of christy o'connor who has to fight every day to remind people. Her sister did not die by suicide by rally protests log dog everything we can think of to get f._d._l._e. To come in which should have been done day one. The family now has an outside investigator to look into their suspicions. Especially arrested roger to the florida bar rusty rogers find something the sheriff's office did not. Let's coming from over there that open patch to women with good hearing drink. Their account was featured in documentary produced by frontline and the new york times. We heard a woman yell for help. We heard a gun shot and then there was another yell for help and then another shot and then there was silence and then there were silence. There was no commotion no nothing it seemed like a long it. It was probably ten. Maybe fifteen minutes and the sirens came. The sheriff says it's not uncommon for some suicide victims to fire off a test shot before the fatal shot. The two girls heard her scream for help if she was suicidal if she was killing herself. She's not going to scream for help. Rogers takes his findings to the medical examiner's office dr frederick toben. I've been persuaded by the ear witnesses the medical examiner who did not want to go on camera when approached by jacksonville reporter and schindler did allow audio of their conversation recorded the f._d._a. Did a pretty thorough job. I thought and so at that point you became convinced that it was what would well. I became convinces probably homicide medical examiners don't make decisions solely based on the body in front of them much of what they learn about the case is through conversations with investigators after listening to rodgers presentation in june of two thousand eleven. Dr hogan fills out an emended death certificate and less homicide aside as the manner of death listen. Yes i had state attorney investigator here as a witness and i said that <hes> and based on this i would amend the autopsy and change the manner of death from suicide tom saw- <hes> well. I did that but just internally. I didn't send it out. It wasn't filed with anybody wasn't sent into the funeral. Director wasn't disclosed to anybody except the state attorney hogan says he was told to hold off filing the documents humint by the state attorney while the investigation continues almost almost close to do the right thing and then we have people above them. I said no. We're gonna do a little different. Hobart never officially files that amended certificate. He's later reprimanded by the state for keeping that document at his home. Eventually a new medical examiner is consulted. One who will turn this investigation upside down in the frontline documentary. Dr pedrick bulich believes the death was a suicide and presents. An alternative theory in the gun was used upside down at the time it was fire this he says would help explain a second wound this cut above michelle's eyelid once you show us how you believe. She held a gun when she shot herself. This is the way that i believe that. The suicide occurred as the agent rusty. Rogers continues his investigation for me. He goes face to face with jeremy to see who blinks first. Neither man does how does she gets. No question at you want yours. Orsay rogers then asks a child protection team interview michelle's then five year old daughter alexis. I appears to have witnessed. Some of the abuse alleged by michelle's family this journey. What does jeremy do that spanned. And what did you use to hit your mommy. Did you see that happen one time for for them. What time that jeremy hit your mom with adele and i heard you say the <hes> jeremy. What did you say when those things happen but in jeremy's interview with rogers he had said he put her hands on michelle only once to restrain her after she charged him rogers keeps keeps digging he calls in a crime scene reconstructionist with four decades of experience testing done to attempt to see if michelle shot herself or was was shot by someone else based on the shell casings landed on this field his conclusion. This was a homicide but special prosecutor brad king who is now go to the case reviews all the investigations and reaches a conclusion. He calls us in for a meeting and basically says there's not enough evidence so our family was just pushed aside side. My mom was devastated and i think i've said before it was like the second worst day of my life. You know the first losing michelle scherf shore pens of one hundred and fifty two page review of the case a mostly positive assessment of his department's work is on the case said. There's not going to be a happy ending but he also tears internet showcasing test ordered by rogers for being conducted an open field attest. He says did not take into account the variables at the scene such as the walls the ceiling furniture a church and michelle's extremities banks will also fight back in the form of a lawsuit against the f._d._l._e. Ann rogers for allegedly violating violating his civil rights the case will drag on for years investigated third themselves and then later on they finally bring in f._d._l._e. Who who paints this picture that that is not jiving doesn't look good and they don't like it so they attacked f._d._a. Jan go after him heartland to nail the search for clues from a gun range to a graveyard a thousand miles from the iconic saint augustine lighthouse pennsylvania forensic scientist is trying to shed some light on the curious death of michelle o'connell. Today we've come to roll call and indoor shooting range in scranton to examine two key points winston. This investigation using dr buicks theory. We wanna see where the shell casings may land when the gun is upside down and and see whether an upside down gun was fired could have caused the injury above michelle's. I shariff shore has been critical of the outdoor crime scene reconstruction -struction by the f._d._a. So today we're going inside. We've created a replica of the scene based on seeing photos. We use a mannequin for the purposes of this test and you can see this is the layout of the bedroom door right here. People came in and out of the room this way we asked professor peter your digestion a forensic scientist at penn state to conduct a firing test for us back in two thousand thirteen die check reviewed the case for frontline minute times investigation professor. How well do you know the gun that was used in this case. I am familiar with the with the firearm heavy any fire that gun before many many times in those initial set of photographs taken at the scene there is no visible sign of any shell casings around michelle's body <music> but two were later clearly photograph to her left in this back corner of the bedroom. This bag right here was where a shell casing was found. Another one founded about eighteen inches away. <hes> the location of the spent cases is going to be dependent upon several factors. One of the most profound is the position of the firearm wedding was was fired. We'll be using the same making model of the gun that fired the fatal shot. Plus live rounds to keep those rounds on the control. We're gonna referring into ballistic gelatin at the end of the day. What is it that you want to find out. We're going to see with our documentation where the cartridge cases will land depending on the position of a firearm. You're going to be holding that gun upside down and firing it. Why is though that's because we are going to be replicating the position of the fire as dictated by the reports sports and the interviews of the of the medical examiner all right be safe. We walk about fifteen yards to observe the firing test behind bulletproof glass. The mannequin is laying down. The most likely set of circumstances is that she was lying on the ground pulled the gun up probably to hand and and fired and then the blood does exactly what it seen in the pictures and goes this way see i was holding it upside down the way authorities say she held him <music> using high speed photography. You can actually see the shell-casing acing ejecting toward the right side of the mannequin that is the exact opposite of where the shell casings were found at the scene. See those cases coming this way each time this way again again what authorities found those casings on the other other side where the professors go talk to him okay professor. How many shots did you just fire. I fired ten cottages so we've nine over here one right here underneath. That's correct so if she's lying down holding the gun like that. There's no way that if she fired those shots that those cases woodland over here that's correct. It's just doesn't conform to the physics of the way. The firearm is designed. Sheriff's shore has an explanation those shell casings could have been inadvertently kicked by any one of nine first responders at the scene okay so let's take a look at this. We bring in roll-call joseph harris a retired corporal with the scranton police department who've who've worked hundreds of crime scenes over his career based on what you see here. How possible is it that a casing that ends up on this side of michelle ended up the all the way over there. It's for distance. How likely is it that casing would have been kicked from here. All the we over there. I would say not not not so likely ten bullets ready in the clip we reset we set now you see that the dummy is sitting up that the other way that authorities said their mind michelle might have killed herself casings come in this looks like almost every case in came to the right of michelle next we position the mannequin in a kneeling position kevin another possibility of how michelle might have shot herself ten more shots and this time we learned the sheriff's right about one thing objects in the room can play a role in where the casings land so you've now fire thirty shots re different positions based on the way shod god. What are the chances. They're showcasing end up over here incredibly unlikely this being right here. Perhaps it could have been kicked there but is there a contrary argument to that. The contrary argument would be if the direction of travel of the responders is to attend to the victim and the door is in that part of the building then it would be more likely that it will be kicked in the same direction that they're traveling alling which is to the right of the while our test raises questions about dr buicks upside down gun theory it does not prove or disprove that it was suicide or homicide. Michelle's family is convinced. Someone else was holding the gun so what would happen. The professor stood over michelle and shot down towards her. Not the gun turned upside down anymore but just straight away. The cartridge cases were ejected from the firearm and created a pattern on the victim's left. What's interesting is showcasing showcasing all the way over here. This is just a couple of meaning couple of inches away from where one of the cases was found. Is it more likely that she was impacted to buy this gun in the way that the police described it or in the way that the family believes which is jeremy shatter. Our experimentation clearly reveals that the achieved families scenario is the more likely scenario we showed michelle's mom patty the results of our firing test why win the sheriff take the time and to do a test. I say it and i go. She did not kill herself and that's what i feel but feelings are not facts. There's one more thing we wanted to examine. Remember michelle's eyelid injury. Dr bulich told frontline it was the attack like the cause that injury the only sound solid <hes> forensic explanation is that the gun was upside down and the tactical light cards talk to the experts out there that say that when you fire a gun like that that the gun would not go up but instead we go back it would recoil backwards not so says jeremy's attorney. What do i say to. Those experts unnamed her name. I'd say you'd better take the gun out again been tested for he say that but that's exactly what professor die check did and using high speed photography you can clearly see the gun going backwards and flying away from what would have been shelf space firearms do not go forward upon firing is against the laws of physics if you measure the ark of the tac light and you measure the ark of the wound. They're awfully consistent attack. Late may have done that in a in a ante mortem event but it did not happen at the moment that the firearm was fired in other words. Dodge says it could have happened before the fatal gunshot but special prosecutors embraced buicks theory and and determined there was not enough evidence to charge jeremy with a crime so if that gunshot didn't cause the eye injury what did besides her then boyfriend giddy sheriff jeremy banks. Only michelle o'connell knows what truly happened when those two gunshots were fired that september overnight wore they could learn from exhuming the shelves body. Paddy o'connell was waiting for the state agency to do it themselves. She gave them permission and then they never did. It's hard. She's resting in peace but i just had a desire for the truth. Why would they ask me to zoom and then nonex- so so. Obviously the family felt strongly enough about it that they decided to do it themselves. The o'connell's get in touch with dr william anderson a forensic pathologist and former deputy chief medical medical examiner for orange county florida. I was asked to examine the autopsy michelle and then upon that do a second hot topsy well examining the original autopsy. Something in an x ray gets dr anderson's attention. There was some indication that there was some other injury on the body did the exclamation with job into pieces so in the case there was a fracture a fracture the comes as a surprise to the family and most anyone anyone following the case the new developments a deadly mystery dr anderson's findings make national headlines family pointing to a new autopsy and as soon as saint johns county sheriff david shore learns about the exclamation he goes on the attack and issues a scathing statement about the family he has done on to say that our families families basically paying someone to author a report for us. It will feel better which isn't the case despite rumors statements to the contrary this totally problem in that statement the sheriff goes on to say molesting michelle from her place of rest using some freelance. Type approach is beyond unconventional. It was reprehensible to the sheriff. I say you because he has no right even if he doesn't agree with it or whatever he should in no way shape or form ever speak public release whatever to to a family using those words it really shows his character and news of the fracture brings into question the word of the original medical examiner dr hogan. There's a fracture right there now. This was never on the autopsy report the x rays and just jumps out at you and it's the only how you could miss that in the original autopsy report because that is a big deal so the fact that it's not on that report. What do you attribute that to. I think this is a sloppy i think did the police says a suicide. Well it could well be a suicide and just to sort of write it off and keep going but jeremy makes attorney. Mac macleod says dr hogan was was aware of michelle's jaw bone fracture. Even though it's not depicted in this autopsy sketch in his notes he has noted mandibular separation. It's not in the autopsy autopsy report notes well that yeah that's very disturbing actually too because if everything else very carefully described and you leave out the major find and it's not good practice. I'm not an expert on fractures. Even i could see oh my gosh her jaws broken when you're the family and you've got not as many questions as they do. Anything like that is going to seem incredibly suspect. Why didn't we know shaded broken jaw that does seem significant significant not only because it wasn't reported boarded the autopsy report here we had but more importantly for what dr anderson says it reveals about how michelle died so the only explanation that i can see the reasonable symbol is that <hes> there was another force a blow to the chin the broke the mandible prior to the time of gun shop with conflicted for my opinions was on the side. Jeremy banks has always denied hurting michelle the night of her death and he has never been charged with a crime what the family wants to believe or what the theory wanted being proposed was is that she must have been hit hard well. There's problem with that. There is no eve worth his salt that will tell you that an inter oral gunshot wounds such as this the high powered weapon that more often than not you. You expect to see mandibular separation. It is possible in some cases that has shut could split the jaw but dr anderson says that's not the case with michelle based on the evidence he reviewed there was a gunshot wound to the mouth that put a hole in the time time but didn't do any other damage to the teeth to the gums to the floor of the mouth with sperry soft tissue basically would have been destroyed if there had been enough up force from that blast to break the jaw. If she'd been hit you would see bruising. You would see abrasion u._t. Something there's nothing i probably eight or nine nine thousand odd thompsons. If you die quickly enough you will not have bruising having gotten the answers. The family was looking for michelle has returned to an open open grave but her death is still an open question to the family in two thousand seventeen. The florida medical examiners commission reprimanded dr. I hope and dr bulan a small indication for the o'connell family. They determined that they had mishandled. Some of the components of the investigation for hogan was he said he brought some material home and hadn't kept it in the medical examiner's office including michelle's amended death certificate and then we'll look i think in just showed autopsy autopsy photos and then he wasn't supposed to show to non family members dr hogan was also called out for his poor record-keeping failing to document the jawbone fracture in his autopsy ozzie report the medical examiners and the state attorney all declined to comment for the story in a statement. The sheriff's office told us this case has been extensively extensively reviewed by numerous investigators who have continually ruled the death. A suicide based on things stand right now. Do you think it's possible prosecute. Jeremy banks from doesn't sound like you're going to be able to do it in florida well. I mean how many states state's attorneys have looked at this case so you think this case is zim prosecutable at this point. It doesn't appear that it would be prosecutable in saint johns county florida next a development in the case gives new hope to michelle's family. I'm sure sure there's going to be somebody if they see this. They're going to say we need someone to help us just months before machel's death. There's her daughter alexis dancing happily in front of her proud. Mum michelle smile immortalized in this family home video nearly eight years ears. After michelle's laid to rest still one chapter remained open jeremy civil lawsuit against agent rusty rogers who reinvestigated the case with the florida the department of law enforcement jeremy alleged rogers had violated his civil rights and tried to advance the theory than shells death was a homicide about a hundred one hundred percent of what agent rogers and the f._d._a. Did on this case was essentially made up thing so as to fit a theory. There was no probable cause. There never has been but then a ruling. It's an item development connected to the controversial death of michelle o'connell. A judge found that rogers had probable cause to detain jeremy for homicide and dismissed the lawsuit in rogers favor. The dismissal of the civil lawsuit has reinvigorated raided the o'connell. Family's quest for justice family can't rest because it was so mishandled and i mean all the science all the evidence uh-huh is there. I'm sure there's gonna be somebody if they see this <hes> program. They're going to say yeah we. We need someone to help us. I have a message for jeremy banks. You get to live your life still a cop shell. She doesn't have a life anymore. If you think you're so innocent then let us have our day in court. The family is also crusading for a law that would prevent departments from investigating one of their own ever again. Jeremy's attorney attorney says the case has profoundly impacted his client's life as well. What kind of toll this is taking on his life. I mean is is. It's absolutely ruined. His life. Life has neighbors <hes> that walk up and down the street at two o'clock at night and we'll scream him murder but it is michelle's daughter alexis. I lost the most kids mommy's stone and she'd say no. She wants to go to heaven. He wants to be a good girl. Go to the heavens to see your mom. You can't grieve until you get justice. You have to have your justice. Interestingly interestingly all local researcher who was looking into michelle o'connell's case was found fatally shot earlier this year was their connection police simply don't know but they have ruled it a homicide aside and there is now an investigation underway so we'll stay on it. I'm david muir and made me robot for all of us here at twenty twenty and a._b._c. news good night. Is there something thing that interferes with your happiness or is preventing you from achieving your goals better help online counseling. Is there for you. Connect with your professional counselor. 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S7: April Fooled: Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

"The year nineteen eighty the Boston. Marathon winner was Rosie Ruiz. That is until eight days later when Rees was stripped of her title. Enjoy these captivating episodes on the life and lies of Rosie Ruiz from podcast series. Sports criminals. If you'd like to hear more shocking stories from the world of sports make sure to subscribe to sports criminals. New Episodes Premiere every Thursday. Listen free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast on the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty the eighty fourth annual Boston. Marathon began in Hopkinton Massachusetts over five thousand runners in nearly half. A million spectators gathered for the big race about two hours. After the marathon began the first runners began to finish. The first was as expected. The number one male runner in the World Bill Rodgers as he crossed the finish line. Rogers won his third straight Boston marathon with a time of two hours. Twelve minutes and eleven seconds twenty minutes later the first woman approached the finish line fans stood up expecting to see famed Canadian. Writer Jacqueline Gero. Instead they saw an unknown runner that not even the most obsessive running expert recognized it was Rosie Ruiz a twenty six year old administrative assistant from New York running in her second ever marathon. Res Looked exhausted her arms flailing wildly as if she was swimming her way to the finish line when RUIZ CROSSED FINISH LINE. The led timer listed her time as two hours. Thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds. She hadn't just won the race. She also set the fastest women's marathon time in American history. Ruis grimace and smiled. As she finished the race she had seemingly accomplished impossible coming out of nowhere to win. The most celebrated long distance running event in the world. But it was all a lie. Rosie Ruiz hadn't set a record time. She hadn't even run the race. Welcome to sports criminals a podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport. We'll also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all of their podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love but no our doing reach out on facebook and Instagram. At podcast in twitter at podcast network. Today we're discussing Rosie Ruis. Who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon? Only for it to be revealed later that she won the race by cheating this week will explore Ruiz's beginnings and how? She lied to win the Boston. Marathon next week will cover the fallout of the marathon. And how has life changed afterwards? Rosie Ruiz early life is shrouded in mystery. What's known as that? She was born in Havana Cuba on June. Twenty First Nineteen fifty three when she was eight years old she and her mother moved to Miami Florida. Miami felt like an entirely new and alien world to younger. We's she was overwhelmed and isolated living a new country and city surrounded by a language. She didn't speak. She started running both as a way to escape her anxiety in as a way to come to terms with her new surroundings sometime later she was separated from her mother and sent to Hollywood Florida to live with her aunts and uncles again. She took to running to cope. She began running cross country in high school but had to stop when she suffered a knee injury that required surgery even running. The one thing she clung to was taken away from her. After high school she left Florida to study music at Wayne. State College Nebraska. It was another new world for her but she learned to adapt when year into her college career. Ruiz's life was thrown for a loop. When she was involved in a serious car crash. She suffered a blow to the head and the accident. It left her with. Chronic severe headaches and occasional blackouts these lingered far longer than could be explained by the crash so in late nineteen seventy-three. She flew back to Miami where doctors could examiner after a battery of tests. They found the cause of her headaches. A tumor the size of Tangerine embedded in her skull shockingly. The doctors told her that the tumor had been there since she was born. At Twenty Years Old Ruis underwent brain surgery to remove the mass. Luckily the growth turned out to be benign in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven after graduating from college. Ruiz's decided not to return to Miami instead. She threw herself into yet another new city. The Big Apple and this point relieves was comfortable with constant moves in new surroundings and even liked it. She moved into a high rise apartment near Times Square with two roommates and got a job as an administrative assistant for a metal trading company but shortly after she moved to New York. She had her first brush with the law in late. Nineteen seventy seven release. Allegedly stole credit cards from an acquaintances apartment and racked up fifteen hundred dollars in false charges the acquaintance lodged a complaint with the NYPD but Ruis paid restitution and the charges were dropped compounding. Her legal issues were continuing health issues. In September of Nineteen Seventy Eight. Reza's doctors discovered a small defect inner skull leftover from the first brain surgery. She needed another operation. So a plastic plate could be inserted in her skull throughout her life. Ruiz had turned to running to cope with her problems. So in February nineteen seventy nine when she finally felt physically well enough twenty four year old Rosie Ruiz. Once again began running she managed to log a hundred miles a week either running through central park or by training on an exercise bike in her apartment. After a few months of running ruis decided she was ready to put herself to test. She wanted to run a marathon. A marathon is a grueling long distance. Run of twenty six miles and three hundred eighty five yards. It takes its name. Inspiration from the legend. Filipi these who in four ninety. Bc ran from the battle of marathon to the city of Athens to announce the Greeks victory over the Persians. The distance between those two points about twenty six miles became the basis of the modern marathon. The sport was invented for the first Olympic Games in April eighteen. Ninety six in Athens Greece by the Mid Twentieth Century completing a marathon had become one of the most prestigious feats an athlete could accomplish and Rosie. Ruis wanted to prove herself an accomplished athlete. It was a huge jump for her while she had been taking running seriously. Rees was not an experience. Long distance runner. She'd likely never run anything close to marathon length but she was determined to try. Ruis tried to fill out an application for the New York marathon but discovered that the deadline had passed. She contacted the marathon's organizers and ask for special dispensation claiming she was dying of brain cancer convinced by her story. The marathon's organizers allowed her to turn in the application late on the application Ruis listed her expected finishing time as just over four hours about average for a marathon and a very respectable time for a first time runner on the morning of October twenty. First Nineteen seventy-nine Ruis arrived at Fort Wadsworth on Staten Island to compete in the New York City Marathon. It was the largest New York marathon since the event's inception in nineteen seventy with eleven thousand five hundred thirty three runners including forty six hundred first timers like res. An estimated crowd of two point. Five million spectators gathered along the race route to cheer the runners on her. We checked in at Fort. Wadsworth received a number and took her place waiting among the massive crowd of runners at nine. Am The starting cannon fired. The race was on to give herself an out. Ruis asked her roommate to meet her eight miles into the race to check if she wanted to drop out. Whenever we reached the mile mark she looked up and saw her roommate waving in her from the crowd. Ruis shook her head telling her roommate that she felt good and was going to finish. She was not going to quit somewhere near the ten mile. Mark near Nineteenth Street in Brooklyn or we had a change of heart either due to injury or due to exhaustion. She walked off the course and left the race. That didn't mean she had given up on her goal of finishing however far from it she had just decided to take a little shortcut. Ruiz's descended into the subway system and got onto the one train going North into Manhattan. She took a seat and kept her head down trying not to draw any attention to herself with thousands of people participating in the New York Marathon. It wouldn't have seemed that unusual to see a runner on the train. After a few stops release felt more comfortable and struck up a conversation with a woman named Susan Morrow was sitting next to her as it turned out the two of them were going to the same place. The marathon's finish line in central park. Ruiz told Moro that she twisted her ankle at the ten mile mark of the marathon but wanted to cheer on the other runners at the end of the race. Moral was headed to see her friend. Cross the finish line ruis and her new friend off the subway at Columbus Circle and made their way into central park. Ruis was noticeably limping and would occasionally on moral shoulders. They pushed through the crowd in police barricades to get to the finish line as they made their way through. The crowd. Ruis grabbed a can of juice and poured it. Over her head moreover. I thought that was odd but reason that it was a quirky runners. Habit when the two of them reached the final barricade. Ruiz declared herself and injured runner and was helped into the medical tent. Then are we told the medical staff at the marathon that she'd already completed the race. They credited her a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds ranking her at twenty third place among all women that time also qualified her for the Boston Marathon. One of the most famous and celebrated running events in the world after briefly receiving treatment on her ankle. Ruis emerged from the medical tent and found Moro. They exchanged contact information. Andrew we suggested the two could have lunch the next week then. Res Disappeared into the crowd as loved everything about the marathon the thrill of the races beginning the camaraderie with other runners and the victory of finishing the only part she didn't like was having to actually run all twenty six miles but she had seemingly found a way around that when she returned to work. The following Monday release received a hero's welcome. Her coworkers were shocked and impressed by her achievement and Ruiz soaked in the attention. Her boss who also happen to be. A runner was particularly impressed after finding out that her time qualified her for the Boston marathon he generously offered to pay for wiest trip to compete in April her. We graciously accepted but despite her supposed successes all is not well for Rosie Ries in the days and weeks following her surprisingly strong finish in the New York Marathon. She began to feel increasingly nervous. Her fraudulent act hadn't just impressed her roommates and friends. It had also created expectations among her co workers and her boss now had to be met. She couldn't risk letting them all down even worse if she performed badly in Boston she'd risked revealing that her New York marathon finish was ally so she trained with the intention of running the full race in addition to wanting to prove herself rees also knew that her cheat in Newark wasn't guaranteed to work in Boston which was a more prestigious race with greater media. Attention and scrutiny in the five months between the New York marathon in the Boston Marathon. Ruis ran as much as she could. Outside of work as the race approached in the spring of nineteen eighty however ruis likely knew she wasn't ready the truth was she wouldn't be able to legitimately come close to the two hours fifty six minutes. She supposedly accomplished in New York and it was even more likely that she wouldn't be able to finish the race at all but she couldn't quit. She had to see it through on April twentieth. Nineteen eighty the night before the marathon ruis called her mother in Miami. She asked her mother to pray for her and said that she needed to win. Her mother applied that she always prayed for her. The next morning we left her hotel and walked to the starting area of the Nineteen Eighty Boston. Marathon it would be the most consequential day of her entire life. When we come back Rosie Ruis takes on the Boston marathon now. Back to the story as twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz stepped up to the starting line of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. She felt a huge amount of pressure to perform. Not only did she feel the personal pressure to replicate her supposedly great finish in the nineteen seventy nine New York marathon but she also felt as though she was carrying the burden of the women who came before her. She couldn't let herself do significantly worse in Boston. Let alone fail to finish and risk revealing that. Her performance in New York was ally too much was at stake her reputation her job and possibly even the reputation of women's long distance running the Boston. Marathon was one of the first races established after the eighteen ninety six Olympics and was first held one year later on April nineteenth eighteen ninety seven quickly established itself as one of the most respected and celebrated running events in the world and remains today the world's oldest annual marathon when marathons I began. They were only open to male runners and it took nearly seventy five years for the Boston Marathon to be open to women in one thousand nine hundred sixty six twenty four year old. Roberta Gibbs submitted an application for the Boston marathon but was rejected by the race director. Who stated that women were physiologically incapable of running long distances? Gabe refused to accept that instead. She took a bus from San Diego to Boston and hid in the bushes as the race started. After a few moments and wearing a bulky sweater she surreptitiously jumped into the crowd of runners within a few minutes. The runners around realized that give was a woman and gave her their support. After they told Gibbs that they wouldn't let the race organizers. Throw her out give took offer sweatshirt and revealed her gender by the end of the marathon. She was a celebrity. The Governor of Massachusetts arrived to shake her hand as she crossed the finish line. Still the race refused to allow women but give at inspired them to run it anyway. The next year twenty nine year old Katherine Switzer registered as a male to get a number and penny then finished the race. Despite a race officials attempt to physically remove her from the race. Thanks to the efforts of women like give and Switzer the amateur Athletic Union finally permitted women to running marathons in nineteen seventy two that year. Eight women started the race and all finished by the time. Rosie Ruis arrived in Boston in one thousand nine hundred eighty. The number of women running had risen to four hundred fifty six still a fraction compared to the five thousand male runners when Rosie. Ruiz woke up on the morning of April. Twenty first nineteen eighty. She may have intended on running the race legitimately despite her lies about finishing the New York Marathon. She might have still been conflicted about doing the same in Boston and may have wanted to prove to herself that she could run the entire race but cheating was always an option. The weather was warm that morning when Rosie Ruiz left her hotel. She took the train to the suburb of. Hopkinton where she meant. Four hundred and fifty five other women and over five thousand men at the starting line of the marathon. She received the official number W fifty signifying that. She was the fiftieth ranked woman in the race. Thanks to her supposed finish in New York Jacqueline Guiraud. A Canadian runner was the favourite to win the women's race. She'd won the national capital Marathon in Ottawa. The year before and many of the spectators in Boston that day were there to see. If Garo could win another Garros stiffest competition was with American Patti. Lyons who came in second in the New York Marathon. Twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz was not on anyone's radar despite her high rank and her strong finish in New York but ruis was there to win and was willing to do whatever it took to achieve first place. The starting gun was fired. Fans cheered as Rosy Ruis and a five thousand other runners set off on the twenty six mile journey to shoulder in a massive swarm. It wasn't long before her legs and feet began to tire. Her breathing became more labored as deep down understood that Oliver Training hadn't truly prepared her for a full marathon. She was never going to finish all twenty six miles not long into the race. Ruis had a momentous decision to make. She could admit her own shortcomings and quit but she thought about the consequences. She might face what would happen if her boss who paid for her to run in the Boston. Marathon found out that she hadn't even made it half way. The other option was to cheat. Sheet already gotten away with New York and she believes she could easily get away with it again so she made her decision. She turned an abruptly. Jog off the race route. Just like she had in New York for we took a short cut after exiting. The race release found a quiet place to wait for an hour staying as far away from views. She could when enough time has passed to make her finishing time believable. She made her way to the nearest train station and took the hour long train. Ride to Kenmore Square and Boston. Ruiz was more careful than she'd been in New York. She kept to herself and didn't strike up a conversation with anyone as she boarded the Green Line train. The train was crowded and Ruiz's hard pounded as it crawled toward Boston. Desperately hoping that no one would make eye contact and ask her about the marathon number on her shirt. No one did ruis made it to Boston without being noticed when Rees reached her destination she left the train headed for the finish line slipping through the busy crowd or we started running as she approached the race just over two hours after the race began rosie. Ruiz emerged from the crowd of cheering spectators and seamlessly merged with the marathon runners. She glanced behind her then to her left and right none of the spectators nor any of the other runners seemed to recognize that anything was amiss however elise had rejoined the race far ahead of any other female runners. It's possible that she simply missed judged jump into the marathon however it's also possible that like she told her mother she felt as though she needed to win and tried her best to do exactly that after jumping onto the course ruis reportedly ran the last mile of the race. She built up enough sweat to look convincing enough to most spectators and the enthusiastic crowd cheered her on as she stumbled past the finish line. Exactly two hours thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds after the race began rosie. Ries had fought her way through car. Crashes Brain surgeries and numerous personal problems to win the most prestigious running event in the world. It was no longer Rosie Ruis Administrative Assistant. She was now. We re we's Boston marathon champion. After crossing the finish line released put on a good show and played the part of a marathon runner exhausted looking. She nearly collapsed into the arms of two police officers. Photographers and TV. Cameramen focused their lenses. On the victorious. Ruis as she limped with the officers help away from the finish line. Other runners congratulated breweries. She passed which she acknowledged with a smile. Ruis made it to the victory stand where race officials congratulated her placed a laurel wreath on her head suddenly energetic ruis wave to the crowd and beamed taking in all of the attention. She had gotten away with her lie. Rosie Ruiz had become in the blink of an eye a famed marathon champion. Three minutes after Rosie Ruiz finished Jacqueline Guru across the finish line and was met with a polite cheer from the crowd. Caro- immediately noticed that the cheers weren't as loud as she expected. She looked up to the winter. Stand and saw Rosie release with a wreath and a metal and was confused. She had senior we's at any point in the entire race. Garo finished with a time of two hours. Thirty four minutes. Twenty eight seconds a new personal best but there was no fanfare or Laurel wreath for her. No Prize for second place. Ruis had beaten the women's record by nearly three minutes on the Victory Stage Rosie. Ruiz took her place alongside men's winner. Bill Rogers Rogers took one look at release and furrowed his brow. He expected to be standing alongside. Jacqueline Guerrero the first words Rogers said to Ruiz were simply. Who Are you? As Ruis innocently introduced herself Rogers took a closer look at her and quickly realized that something was fishy or we was wearing a thick shirt with sleeves. Despite the fact that all elite long distance runners preferred thin sleeveless shirts even stranger. There were no sweat stains on her uniform. She didn't seem nearly as exhausted as Rogers knew she would be after finishing a marathon on top of all that we simply didn't physically look like she was in shape to be a marathon runner however it was too late to stop the celebrations Massachusetts Governor. Edward King shook ruis and Rogers hands as he awarded them their medals and congratulated them on their victories as the two winners stood together on the podium. Rogers made small talk with Ruis. He asked her what her splits were and was met with a blank stare or we didn't know that splits were. Jerez time divided into smaller parts. That confirmed it for Rogers. She definitely hadn't run the race. Rogers the race organizers and members of the press. We're beginning to realize what had happened but ruis for the moment was victorious. She was on top of the world down in the crowd. Bill Rodgers brother. Charlie watched and begin to feel physically. Ill He also realized Ruiz's didn't look like a marathon runner and that there must have been a mistake as the medal ceremony concluded. Charlie set off to find a race official to tell them off his suspicions within five minutes of ruas victory. The organizers of the marathon knew something had gone terribly wrong when we come back Rosie. Ruiz faces serious questions about her shocking marathon. Victory now back to the story on April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six year old administrative assistant rosie. Ruiz came out of nowhere to win the Boston Marathon. It was a great story an amateur runner with only one other race to her name. Who beat the odds to win the marathon? It seemed too good to be true because it was rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the marathon at all. She had cheated. Suspicions started to mount immediately after we cross the Finish Line. It started with a male winner. Bill Rodgers. Who could sense that we hadn't run twenty six miles a few minutes? After Ruis was given her medal. She was pulled into a television interview with Catherine Switzer who had run the marathon in nineteen sixty seven by registering as a man. Switzer introduced release to the as the winner of the marathon in possibly a new American women's running record holder. First Switzer asked Ruis. How many marathons she'd run before. Ruis responded that this was her second after the New York marathon only a few months before with a time of two hours and fifty. Six minutes. Switzer asked what is attributed her twenty minute improvement to between pauses to sneeze and cough. We simply said she didn't know like bill. Rogers Switzer began to feel doubt so. She tried to dig deeper. She asked if she'd been training with a lot of heavy intervals. Workouts designed to increase speed res laughing replied that she didn't even know what intervals were. Switzer's unease was evident in her expression when she ended the interview noting that rees was a mystery woman who seemingly evaded all of the marathons checkpoints on her way to victory by the time. The two winners were brought in front of a group of reporters for a news conference. The confusion over releases out of nowhere. Victory had turned into suspicion. Reporters followed Switzer's lead and peppered Ruis with questions Ruiz's answer is left the reporters more skeptical than they'd been before she said she'd only been running long distances for a year and a half didn't have a coach or advisor and didn't know what time splits were to explain why she didn't seem tired after running an entire marathon. Ruiz said she'd gotten up with a lot of energy that morning. When asked how it was possible that no other female runner had spotted her during the race. She offered three explanations I. She had paid herself off of the men seconds. She was so new to the sport that no one knew who she was and finally her short hair must've made the other runners assumes he was male. The reporters were now certain that something was wrong with Rosie Res Inter victory by the time the final marathon runner crossed the finish line. Just over an hour. After Ruiz's finish rumors and speculation were spreading rapidly. Adding fuel to the fire were comments from Jacqueline Gero and Patty Lions stating that. Neither of them saw any woman pass them during the race. After the press conference Bill Rodgers went right to the Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney and told him that there was no way. Ruis had run the race. Clooney knew he had to handle the situation carefully he was concerned about the effect of cheating. Scandal might have on the reputation of the Boston Marathon. A few hours after the race cloney met with Rosie Ruiz at her hotel so she could tell her side of the story where we brought along her friends. Steve Merrick the president of a running club. She joined the week before the marathon. Who claimed he could vouch for? Release Ruis defiantly maintained that she ran the whole race and won it fair and square merrick backed up Ruiz's story as much as he could specifically noting that he saw her at the starting line in Hopkinton however neither Merrick. Not anyone else saw release at any other point in the race. Clooney left the hotel that night unsure of the truth. Ruiz was convincing. But so as Rogers. Only one thing was clear the Boston. Marathon was now embroiled in a major controversy and it was up to Clooney and the Boston Athletic Association to find out what really happened while. Clooney began investigating the marathon winners. Victory Lap continued normally early the next morning on April Twenty Second Nineteen Eighty Rosie. Ruiz and Bill Rodgers were brought to the set of local. Tv show called good day live to be interviewed about their wins. Rogers uneasiness about her. We had overtaken his own personal satisfaction about winning the race. He wasn't just concerned. That Jacqueline Guerrero had been cheated out of a medal. Like we'll clooney. He was worried about the effect. A scandal like this might have on the sport a whole before going onto the set. Rogers pulled Ruis aside and privately delivered a stern warning. He told her that if anything had gone wrong during the marathon she needed to admit it as soon as possible ruis hesitated. Tears appeared at the corners of her eyes for a split second. Rogers believed that we was going to confess instead. Released shook her head and crying. Repeatedly stated that she'd won legitimately Rogers decided to let it go for the moment and the two went ahead with the TV appearance by the time of their TV interview. The whispers about release at grown ladder and suspicion escalated the TV host citing an article written by a running expert in the New York. Post asked both Ruis Ann Rogers about the reported belief that her improvement from the New York. Marathon to Boston was physically impossible. Rogers answered diplomatically. Saying that while improvement is possible. He couldn't conceive of a twenty minute improvement. He then said that Ruis would need to resolve. These questions. Ruis herself remained quiet outside the TV studio. The controversy only mounted that morning race director will cloney announced that he had opened an investigation into the allegations against Roe zero. We's it wouldn't be an easy or straightforward task to determine whether Rosie Ruiz cheated the Boston. Marathon didn't record the times of every individual runner as they reached one of the races. Numerous checkpoints instead. The marathon only recorded the numbers of the first one hundred runners at each checkpoint since the first one hundred runners were all male. None of the women's times were recorded at any checkpoint. Instead of relying on checkpoint evidence Clooney would need to closely review recordings of the TV broadcast an eye witness testimony a team of experts including Katherine Switzer reviewed three sets video from the race and couldn't identify Rosie Ruiz on any of them nor could they find her. We is on one of the informal lists of the top five women runners at any point in the race as the scrutiny intensified Rosie. Ruiz returned home to New York City but she couldn't escape the controversy. The press was beginning to hound. Her now explicitly questioning the validity of her victory. The questions only got louder as the story grew into a nationwide scandal. The concerns led the New York marathon to open their own investigation into releases. Twenty third place finish reporters dug into Rosie Ruiz. His life story traveling to Miami and Nebraska searching for clues. They didn't find much. Though classmates. At Wayne State College did remember that. Ruiz was an avid jogger. Her we sought refuge in her apartment from the constant media. Attention but dog had reporters still followed some even resorted sneaking past the building security guards to go directly to release his door eventually released into roommates abandoned the apartment and move somewhere secret their release hunker down and try to ride out the storm with the constant media attention and the looming threat of disqualification release felt as though she were living in a nightmare throughout every interaction with a roommate's friends or reporters who manage to track down. Ruiz never wavered. She stuck to her story. She had run the entire race. Meanwhile investigations continued in both Boston in New York to determine if she was lying in Boston officials and reporters interviewed the runners finished next to none of them saw her during the race in New York officials reviewed videotape of every runner. That crossed the finish line and couldn't find Ruis. None of the mounting circumstantial evidence was enough. However for Boston. Marathon director will clooney to disqualify. Rosie ries with so much attention on the marathon and the investigation. He felt as though he needed proof beyond the shadow of a doubt he needed something. More concrete like clear eyewitness testimony. John Faulkner Harvard Senior was jogging by the marathon with his hand on April twenty. First as they went past the crowd at Kenmore Square they witnessed a woman in a yellow shirt running. Strangely through the crowd she entered the race in its final mile. Faulkner didn't think much of it at the time assuming that someone would stop her or realized she jumped into the race. The next morning faulkner opened his copy of the Boston Globe and saw photograph of Rosie Ruiz on the front page announcing her as the winner of the marathon. It was the same woman he saw jump into the race. Faulkner initially didn't want to involve himself but after cajoling from his roommates he finally agreed to call the Boston Globe. And tell a reporter what he'd seen. Meanwhile in New York another eyewitness reached out. Susan Moro the woman who had befriended released during the New York. Marathon was watching the news when report about the Boston. Marathon came on. Moro immediately recognized the marathon winner as the same woman. She'd met on the subway as the news. Report continued covering the controversy. Around Louise's finish Moro began to feel nervous. She didn't know what to do. After some deliberation moral decided to contact the New York Times the next day on Wednesday April twenty third. The Boston Globe published John faulkners eyewitness account early that morning reporters. A news vans arrived at Harvard eager to interview him that night. The New York Marathon director told reporters that he didn't believe Ruis could even run one mile at the pace. She claimed to have run an entire marathon with evidence against her mounting Rosie. Ruiz called a press conference the next day. Her only ally. Steve Merrick stood beside her and warned reporters ahead of time that he'd end the press conference if it turned into a carnival. Susan Morrow attended the press conference at the invitation of New York Times reporter. The reporter asked Mario if Ruis was the woman she'd seen riding the subway during the New York. Marathon more said without question. It was the same woman as cameras snapped. Rosie Ruis stood in front of a skeptical crowd of reporters. Despite Merrick's warning the reporters were noisy and hostile given the published accounts of John Faulkner. Many of the reporters expected release to confess admit that she cheated and end the entire controversy instead with a slight smirk on her face. Rosie Ruis once again. Insisted that she'd run the race moreover. She blamed the media for the controversy claiming their coverage was unfair and that any unknown runner. Who won the marathon would be subjected to the same scrutiny and skepticism that she was although Ruis continued to vociferously deny the allegations of cheating. The tide was already turning against her and it wouldn't be long before her entire house of cards came tumbling down. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with part two. Rosie ruas story. We'll see how her story eventually crumbled and how her life was affected after the truth was revealed. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all other park has originals for free on spotify. Not only spotify already. Have all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like sports criminals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream sports criminals on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type sports criminals in the search bar. And don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see next time. Sports Criminals was created by Max Cutler. And as a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler Sound Design by Stephen Davies with production assistance by Ron Shapiro in Carleen Madden. This episode of Sports Criminals was written by Ryan Lee with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon and stars. Tim Johnson and Carter Roy.

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Come home any talking but it was such a good game in in I think you when they the match came out. It was a Thursday night game Greenberg versa versa teams. Everybody's like Oh yes about time. It's about time every now and then you get it does but yeah Jacksonville play like last week yeah that was you yeah you get that one of the garbage reason only reason why that became interesting because you want to see what Jalen Ramsey do that in Gardner mid shoe the the greatest quarterback ever to live handlebar but last night was such a great game travis and L Z Aaron Rodgers. I thought they was getting ready to just blow Philadelphia out of the water like it did feel like the way that it started. They go right down the field Bam. They get a touchdown. They get ball back to go right down the field again and then Bongbong they stall inside the red zone. They have to kick a field goal to you and I were talking about before they tried to throw that fade fade into the back left corner. That's when I sent you guys the fades of Sake my father every time they actually that when you it's it's one of those deals where it has to be somewhat perfect situation. You need press coverage. You need guy on outside leverage inside leverage on new and you need to leave room fair with a quarterback the quarterback sometimes they'll put it. It looks to you as a viewer in I'm not saying this would be the word facetiously or whatever you call it facetiously. I just couldn't even dumbstruck what what every now and then I could pull stuff is back to school would end tonio yeah right. What does this W? S. We'll get the Antonio Antonio and his grammar and his tweets and Eric Weddell. That's coming up in a minute so what happens with the Fayed is to the eye of the fan watching television television even at the game. The first thing you see is an overthrow right and you say amit ball strong too far. It's really not I don't care to foreign just whenever ever connect no it connects you wanted at the back pylon remember guys arms along the gadget on Google gadgets and when the ball strong oh you almost wanna be a foot from the back pylon when you catch that ball right and you want the boy you want your foot at the back pylon right about a foot away. Put Your Arms Afoot outside the pylon. You're stretching for the ball and that's when quarterbacks tend to put a lot of times but if if you very athletic and you could talk your body and turn and go up in basketball in take it like you can take in a bowl of soup somebody's that is even better and and that's what they try to teach in this particular instance. It just didn't work so they kick the field goal to get the three points and that's always a weird moment in a game. That's always a weird moment a game where one team it has firm control it the packers the first quarter they had control that football game only they weren't stacking up a bunch of points kicking field goals they weren't and then all of a sudden philly in the second second quarter clicks in they score twenty points go into the second half and now we got a football game and now the packers are chasing some points because they weren't able to get those those touchdowns earlier that they were field goals and then we get twenty one like you said it's your get six instead of the fourteen exactly now all of a sudden seven thirteen eight all chasing in your mind aimed as a player and as a coach first thing you say is oh we're fine. We can either go in ten thirteen. Kick a field goal. We if we go into thirteen we're fine. If if we going fourteen thirteen they're stressing and that's the pressure that you want apply no question so now fast forward to the fourth quarter all of a sudden the packers have a decision to make with about nine nine minutes to go in the game whether or not they're going to go for it. They're inside the ten yard line. They're deciding how exactly they want to attack and they passed the ball four consecutive times four consecutive times. Here's Matt Leflore talking about that Red Zone offense. We're able to complex a lot of what we wanted to do. It's just we gotta do a better job in the red zone and three for seven you're not GonNa win any games so key. I think we all kind of like the idea of them going for it in that situation but what you make the play call where all of a sudden you throw the ball four times in a row in a short field. There's not a lot of defeat field to defend at that point well first of all for in in in their defense defense. There was no Davante Adams on the field though he was he was hurt. He was out of the game but that's still no reason why you can't find Jimmy Graham. You can't find your Geronimo Komo. You can't find any other players that are around that part practice with air rogers that no the place the place election was it's horrible. You don't throw four. It's not this is not sixteen seconds to go in the game right. It's nine minutes to go in minutes and a gain ain't right run the ball and I now I don't care if he throwing. I throw it on. I WANNA know second. I don't care if you run it on. I don't care if you're running a second and throw it on third but give me a mix. Don't sit back in just decide to swing and now I don't know nor will we ever know until somebody gets fired. Who really was making those four call mystery in and the reason I say if somebody gets fired because once somebody gets fired they'll start telling them one another so it was it matlock the floor calling the plays Travis and Era Jews doing exactly what he was told from the coach or was it Aaron Rodgers not we're paying attention would call his own deal or was it? Air Rogers. Sanish man is dude and just doing what was out there in in in letting people see Z. That Matt Leflore doesn't know what he's doing or was it simply a young head coach that doesn't understand a pressure cooker moment at this time because he's never been in this situation. He's never been in a Thursday night football game in Lambofield. Everything is on the line. He's never done it. If you've got a veteran coach a handy read now Jeff Fisher you gotTA. Thank you Joe Ballot check. You have somebody that know what to do in that situation that they could capitalize is on it so it's a lot of different ways you kind of look at what transpired in that position transpired but not as good as good as Alex you gotta wonder from a statistical standpoint. If if you're you're and Aaron Rodgers. I decided you know what we tried it your way to. I three games because let's face it last night was the first Ann Rogers played over four hundred yards. I thought he played all season. There was a do aware number twelve managing the offense the first three Danes last night we saw Aaron Rodgers the gunslinger running around screaming for first downs. That's the do they used to sing gene so you've got to wonder if Matlin four looked and was like he's cooking yeah and he's carving him up and I'm just going to let him roll. I'm not going to slow him down out and speaking of slowing down we can talk about how the injury have impacted the game as well at the one minute Mark Bennett laughed and they were cooking and rolling on pause for ten minutes because of an injury interrupted rhythm but Aaron Rodgers cooking if you met leflore. Do you say you know let's go ahead and do this. We'll straight times or do you run the game. Luke run the ball the way that everyone assumes you should situation you don't have to run the ball you need to run into at least once to keep them all back to defend both thank you have to defend both things I understand. He's cooking cookie but but at the same time if you if you guys really want to understand certain offenses in whatever the name and West Coast offense whatever the case is all of them every last from Shaw McVeigh to Andy Reid John Grooten Not Joseph he carols offense anybody that has the tag west coast offense and where there Steve Sarkisian in Atlanta they all get cute in in this case Matt Lefay or got let Matt Leflore got cute the morning show with Keyshawn Elsie Rabbit here microwave coaches that they bring back you try to reheat the coaches that all of a sudden I wake up every morning with the morning show on. ESPN seventeenth in a week for the football season is already underway and it is off to a great start so the question is do you have your tickets yet if not download the vivid seats APP today and you can earn up to sixteen percent credit on all of your ticket purchases including the game this weekend at the Coliseum Front row on the fifty to the upper deck. Vivid seats has options that will fit your needs so don't get any seat get a vivid seats don. Let me ask you this Aska. was there ever a moment when you were watching Aaron. Rodgers drive down that field in the last never we talked about the nine minute one right and they can get it but when they got the ball back with just a couple of your like he's he's GonNa do some say yes over as television produces. I got going to tie it up and then I said to myself I wonder if they get smart and go for two at the end of the game depending on how much time is left on the clock when he scores so they scored like damn and it was four minutes it's left on the clock or whatever it was. Would they have gone for two to no seven. You got at least tight with four minutes to go. You can't because now if you miss the two key then you all of a sudden yes get the ball back again just to try to get it if you can't get it back and four minutes I'm out but if I tie it right and in Philly gets the ball back with four minutes I got a place I was. I was trying to put all the scenarios out there. Will they try to get you go for two will he tied up but you certainly feel that way about a lot of these quarterbacks bags that are great that we've seen it's like like I never fell in his may sound crazy but I never felt like paid manning yeah the ball back two minutes ago. He's GonNa Markdown down. Suzanne never felt that with him. I agree with you. Return it he has he's never felt that way about John Elway. You know who I feel. Don't worry about long Russell. Wilson Russell scares the daylights Outta me yeah Russell Wilson obviously Aaron Rodgers Gers Tom Brady. Tom Brady's never felt that way about the legendary Tony Romo nobre nowhere golf. I don't feel that way because we haven't seen yet so here's the question which aired march down okay just the New Orleans saints did but he also that was he got him. I'm into where they had to kick a fifty seven yard field goal now. I'm not taking anything away short bomb of a look travis if it was fifty two you feel better. I'd feel five yards better. I feel a little bit. I would feel better if it was a twenty five yard field goal it was he's still marched him down. Just didn't March for long doesn't certain in guys out you just feel you know so this. Here's the question because we're all watching this and it got me to thinking as you're watching this game. Take place and Aaron Rodgers is going if let's let's set the the standard here assuming that your coaches competent and assuming that your teammates are competent okay not put a good player on a bad team or try to overcome a Freddie Kitchens type coach that you have competent teammates and a competent head coach key. You've got one drive. You got the ball in your own twenty honey. You've got two and a half minutes to go. You get to pick your quarterback. Who Do you WanNa Cam Newton? I was good she's. She's this is this is this is I don't WanNa make anybody mad. No you're only pick good guys right. Well One guy if you pick a good guy in emmys the other guys less than a good guy. He's there's a lot of good guys to pick from where you want. I'M GONNA take Tom with Tonderai. One drive did go because I've seen him. Do it like back at I remember in my mind sitting at places and at times even when I was on countdown and working. ESPN which I still work for we Sydney Sydney and everybody would just be like man. Please go again and you just know was getting. I've seen this movie before. I was getting ready to happen every single time I let me just go back to the Super Bowl. Go back you can go back how whenever you want here. We go minutes to even if it's not a touchdown even if they're down soundbite to and go you know even before the half when they get the ball back before the half for the minute scores seven Tean Dan and all of a sudden you go well. They'll be seventeen at hand is GonNa Happen. Is Yours ready to know. who is it still Aaron Rogers? I think I that's the first first time in his career that he's interception from like that. Close inside the three yes the First Amendment Career Long Korea's been around he's been around yeah again and and and and the other thing too Aaron Rodgers reminded you of last night that we forgot and Tom Brady has never shown mobility then when it all falls down he's still he's still got legs. I know it didn't turn out last night but the reason why you're going ah because you're used to Aaron Rodgers like others always coming through in those I'm not I'm not saying that Andrew Rogers can't do it. I'm just saying that Brady just doesn't it just like he doesn't Miss Minna. Do this like flawless like he's just everything is just pretty. Just I just said. This isn't just you marvel at his artists work work. Just like you know well. I know he's not active anymore but the other guy that when he got the ball with two minutes to go he's going to do something. This is Joe Montana Visit Joe Montana couldn't run from me to you really wasn't that guy but when Joe Montana had it he was one of those guys for me. Currently it's Aaron Rodgers so let's take it out. Ah Drive and that's make it a you get a week two game plan. You get to put everything in again. Competent coach competent teammates is it's still Brady Company code competent. The team mates see. I like to see what Aaron Rodgers would do with bill belichick because I already lost because I already know what Tom Brady do a bill belichick and this one's always always scared me when this course has come up because it's come up in a different form but it's come up before can Aaron Rodgers. Can Tom Brady go to green bay in do with Aaron. Rodgers has been able to do in Green Bay because I certainly feel like Aaron. Rodgers can go to new New England and do some of the same things but it's you know it's again is one of those deals where I've seen brady just B- Brady Brady man and I can't go against that Elsie the do championship brings four reese lose your game Mike Game. My game is probably going to be an occurring. Thanks situation. Tom Brady yeah by the way WHO's not picking him already because you know when you get your Tom and more important when you give bill belichick what's what key was alluding to. They're just going to be prepared and there's absolutely nothing you can do on that. Will it throw them off with the exception of getting to him in pressuring him which is why I said before with one drive. I WANNA Aaron Rodgers before a game. I'm GONNA go today. Also just gain gain plan better than everybody Dave. What are we in the fourth week now? They've probably run and I'm not kidding you. They probably run fifteen offense offense alignment since the training chairman New England New England taking a look at the big. What do we need to do here? This guy this guy that guy just try just looking to see how to make that much all right so that's the guy that you take in the game now. Here's here's A to pronger. You've got a season and now you've got to pick a guy for your whole season. He's an and I need to pick a guy. That's going to play five seasons. It could be different guys who is it does two different questions right right again. Probably I believe you're brady across. The board are rally going to lead to our brady on a whole season but Aaron Rodgers is right there for me. I mean the Air Rogers is right there for me. He's right there like it's. It's one of those deals where both on the board if you take him. I'm I'm good happy as the other guy five. What about five years from now you gotta be out plastic mahomes five years from now for a season? I'm going back to Rogers because there always seems to be not a game or two to three in which does a conversation about what's wrong with Brady because he's GonNa give those lulls know what's wrong with Brady because and I hate not you and I don't mean to cut you off but I just did is that what's wrong with Brady because whenever you've had so much success only at the moment. There looks like there's a slight bit of would issue. He wants to create the story last season as in. Do you know how many touchdowns Tom Brady threw postseason last year that many I would probably say to okay that's fine. I'm good with that. Look so as I said it's not just because of the great success there's legitimate question of what's wrong with Brady because the age you know what's wrong winning. They beat the Rams in the Super Bowl my my guy for both of these things both for the season and for the fives the same guy it's Mahomes jd. I if I'm taking a gift I got to play a sixteen game season starting yesterday. Today I want my years. I'm taking home now. The season today not mahomes. Hopefully that's not a real place this yes so some bad news for the Lakers yesterday found out the Kyle Kuzma is going to be out indefinitely so we're GonNa talk to Dr Clapper coming up here in just a couple of seconds of phone just dropped off so we'll get him on the line but he's out with what's being described as a stress reaction action. Is that right. That's why we need an orthopedic surgeon. Show different different were for stress fracture. Hopefully hopefully that's what it is because I would assume that a a stress fracture is something that can be. Here's here's the scariest thing I think if you're an athlete or even really anybody. I guess so I tell you what it is. They don't know what it yeah. They say you think about this. You walk into the doctor's office and the guy says I never seen that before. Not The worst news that you get as promised Dr Clapper Clapper joining us right now good morning. How are you great? How are you guys clapper so let's start right here? What is a stress reaction? What does does that mean exactly so that's clapper vision to explain a stress reaction goes to your freezer where you're trying to take water at liquid quit and make it into a solid an ice cube okay so it goes through stages you pour the water into the ice tray? This is the old days nobody nobody does this anymore. Liquid and then you get impatient. It's not quite an ice cube solid. It's lush rights. You have liquid you have slush and then you have the solid ice Q. Well. The reverse of that is what a stress reaction is when you land from jump up as a basketball player the break the fracture where the bone actually snaps the solid the ice cube is the extreme the liquid is a stress reaction. The famous stress fracture is actually slush so in other words there are degrees would you say your foot hurts and the x ray negatively doing. MRI WE'LL SEE DIMA black and blue in the bone and that is the stress reaction action the next level would actually see a crack in the bone that you don't see on the x ray but it's positive on the memory that's a stress fracture versus Burton actually taking an x ray and seeing the brakes so you're so you're not at the level of fracture yet you're just at the slush level and it could potentially turn it into a fracture if he continues to play on it without getting some sort of treatment exactly not facetious doctors well Dr Johnson so what is the treatment. Wh What do you do you put him on the rack and just say give it time and it'll healer or do you actively trade it good question you have to respect the poor circulation that the foot bones have and the supply for healing comes from the blood supply so there's two sources of blood supply in the long bones in on our feet one is from the Saran wrap the periosteum that wraps around the bone and then there's actually just like a yellow pencil. You have the graphite graphite going up the center of the Pencil. That's the industrial blood supply so this two sources of healing. You need to let that what happened and the best way to do that is a boot and make them stay off the foot. They can't be putting weight on the end docile to size it wants to go in a different direction is slow down. What do you do in because the blood supply is not flowing correctly and it's not only that sometimes like an Achilles tendon for for example keyshawn? They always tear in the same spot. Why is that because that's where the end of that blood vessel is in your ankle on your Achilles tendon my Achilles tendon so you have to respect that and if it does not do it it's GonNa break you? GotTa really make it clear to the player layer you better stay off it and stay in the boot because if it doesn't they will want to a stress fracture and go on to a fracture. How long is this typically in terms of time frame before you could actually take the boot off and start the necessary? Rehab are getting back to practice. Four weeks is really quick most talk at six weeks. Is there a likely move or motion that an athlete can do that will be to for this or is this strictly an accident freak thing and he doesn't have to worry about it. Once he returns in his playing for US great question when we go back and and look the career of Michael Jordan he had a fifth metatarsal Jones Fracture Kevin Durant most recently the Lopez brothers Pow August saw you look around the league. Oh my God it's not a collision sport like football that keyshawn played. You're going to see more fractures and basketball players. It seems then even in football players so the reality is this is something that you have to respect and I will tell you this my my wife says I never answer the question so I apologize but when we watched I n Williamson below walk his sneaker. It was the best thing in the world's design Williamson. Why 'cause if that's sneaker did not blow up? He would've tore his ACL. It's all about footwear. It's all about the shoes particularly in basketball players when you talk about this incredible spike in injuries. I'm here to tell you what connects x the player who the floor is his sneaker doc. Maybe this is just me being an old man and worrying about these sort of things but when I heard it's something it seems that I continue to hurt it and it hurts and it lingers and it becomes chronic. Is that something that could happen for him or once it heels. Are we good and we just keep going so travis. The key the key point what you just ask as you're an old man and it is imperative that when we deal with veteran veteran players who have very mild injuries groin polls or strains you cannot let them be treated like a young athlete because because that will be the beginning of other injuries to the older player but in a young player young sons that you have that's different so when you have a Kyle Kuzma your billy dee to heal is so much more of a blessing in a young player versus player and we actually have to treat them differently. We can be more aggressive about coming coming back with a young player than with veteran Dr Robert Clapper Saturday at seven o'clock in the morning. He's on until nine dock always a pleasure. Thank you and start. I answering your wife's questions. Thanks so much L. D. ooh. Let's get right to it the game here on Sunday afternoon. Colosseum the rams looking to open the first quarter of the season unbeaten three and going up against your guy key Jameis Winston Yeah Gary Gilmore Guy my former Tina Tampa Bay buccaneers ears are GonNa be in for long day in the Coliseum. I think we look at the rams. GotTa Take Care of his game running away. They struggled a little bit against Cleveland. In the first half second half of that football game Aaron Donald got off to a pretty good start in terms of the way he played after not having such a great game the first couple of games but look at the end of the day. I WANNA see Jared Goff off Abdul Jameis Winston. Don't allow James Winston to come into your house and I'll play you. I think that's the key to this football game. He keep in mind. The bucks were missed short fuego away from being two and one I know the record isn't great but that guy makes an easy kick and the books of one two in a row they're two and one they're they're not as vulnerable as their record might indicate no no I think we look at James Watson's we see turn over eight and a half and we assume that's just going to keep on happening but he's been playing well enough for us to lease respect them offensively absolutely all right next game we've got the Ravens at home against the Browns and AFC North Matchup Caceres an interesting match up because you got two young quarterbacks and Baker Mayfield Lamar Jackson Lamar Mark Jackson Duel with our guy in Kansas City and Patrick Mahomes so now he has another tall task to go up against Baker. Mayfield may feel has a lot to prove he's been out there all week long Chirpin Rex Ryan back and forward now he has to show people. Hey He's going to go up against a pretty damn good defense at the Baltimore Ravens Anna quarterback Lamar Jackson and wants to show that he probably should have been in that spot the Baker Mayfield got drafted in which was a number one spot he had to wait to the end of the day to get drafted to the Baltimore Ravens. They run the football in Baltimore. They play Solid Defensive Baltimore. I think the Ravens it GonNa be in for a nice game with the Cleveland Browns and keep in mind we saw last night in Green Bay. A Philadelphia had their back against the wall. They lose that game. They're in deep deep trouble with what's coming up on their schedule could say the exact same thing about Cleveland that this is a one and two team that has to win in this game because the schedule gets brutal from there moving on in Chicago the two and one bears against the Vikings to in one north key this is this is a pretty good game amos kirk cousins time no he has to show that he can play quarterback might be in trouble back against Chicago bears and I think when you look at the way things have been going for him is has everybody Kinda wondering what type of office is. They're averaging about three hundred and fifty yards of total offense to Chicago to seventy five. We Know Mitch trubisky his but we don't really know what Kirk cousins is except. We all think that he's a manager of sore rich. He's well. Now's guarantee yes. He would be rich. The defense transfer Minnesota is interesting because last year they struggled a lot this year. They've seemed to turn things around they've given up about three hundred and twenty seven yards total total defense which is pretty good in the NFL so not only that. I don't know if there's anything scarier. If I'm a Minnesota Viking fans and you know this is kirk cousins time you you just send a cold shiver down. Everybody's Kirk cousins a capable quarterback are putting up big numbers. His issue has always been winning. The issue has always been winning the game you have to win. He'll pad his stats a whole bunch of emptiness and cotton candy but when you need a steak he used it gives you like a do it and he scored this year a lot though scored eight touchdowns in the air and three on the ground poll of Eight Marquette Sunday night football the saints hosting the cowboys the Saints Big Win last last week. Nobody's gotten them so. Nobody's gotten the cowboys but this is an interesting because the COBB wasn't really they haven't played anybody. When you look at the three victories yes they handle business this against the Miami Dolphins but Miami Kinda was hanging around in the first and then they just went away in the second half Washington? They beat Washington which was okay they they they needed an ally manning act like manning in the first game. The New Orleans Saints lose their quarterback against the Rams Teddy Bridgewater comes in doesn't play great. Everybody's nobody's assuming going to Seattle. They're going to get run out of the building. He has a week to prepare. The results. Were favourable on his side. They went up to Seattle. They one football game now. They're at home in the Mercedes. Benz don't at night so imagine all day long with the fans are GonNa be getting ready getting ready to going to begin reading getting lick it on a lot of sweet wheat liquor. That's down in New Orleans. A lot of hurricane was the hurricanes are bad news man they show if they want to show that the Dallas cowboys from what the cowboys did to them last year that this is a repeat test is not a repeat that they're going to try and do what they did him. In Texas Stadium The saints will try to do to them in Mercedes Benz Stadium if the cowboys come out of their four no do we feel a lot differently about them because like you said they played three bombs Tom now all of a sudden. This is not a team. That's certainly will feel better about them. If they come out of there with a W and I will feel less about the New Orleans saints. All is my still being my the top five. I'm sure they will be tied to control yourself. Ills e the unbeaten Detroit hosting the Kansas City the chiefs we are number one northbound the way I really need to talk about never wanted not division to pull the rug out pills e this house. You do understand respell little. It'll you do understand that this is is a disaster getting ready to end doors and home Patrick Mahomes on the road in a dome where the climate is perfect right and how much they for everybody knew Kansas City on the road is favored by six and a half points so let's say reminds raise braver by touchdown which is somewhat a lot in the national roll roll that means you're a ten point better mattel animus say it is to you real quick your head coach is supposed to be a defense guru rising. There's about four hundred yards of total offense purpose Patrick Patrick mahomes number five hundred yards of total office or what that's going to look like speaking of defense. Yes playing Kansas City yeah. I'm thinking we go for yours. Here's our own. Dan Sales Manner touchdowns the reason why it's only six and a half is because they know Detroit can score market down six forty seven. We'll run it back on Monday. What happened right here game? In Indianapolis. The raiders are on the road. Key rate has been Arolla. They're not they're not back home until November third YUP for real I go to London they go to London for a home. I gotTa buy somewhere near two times on the road until till November so look at the Indianapolis Colts in Jacoby Brusett. This is percents team. He's done a terrific job in terms of engineering things he should be undefeated now if Adam I'm vegetarian doesn't miss those field goals. Pat's against the charges you're looking at an undefeated ballclub the answers to Jacoby percent about whether or not he's going the Indianapolis Colts Miss Andrew Luck. He's answered all of that right now saying hey. We don't Miss Angela because this is Marc car. Now I have the keys to this and he's trying on elite them into the playoffs on the raiders side. They just trying to stay alive. They just trying to stay alive. Get one of the top five peaks. They're they're doing the Miami Dolphins without doing the Miami emme dolphins in trying to win and they're not GonNa win so therefore they're going to be in the tanking category all right speaking of the Miami Dolphins. The Owen Sixteen Watch is fully underway. They host the chargers in Miami. Here's an interesting when the point spread on this football game is what fifteen and a half the chargers surfaced on the road so here's what I would say. Will you start talking about trap gangs you start talking about Ken. The Tampa Bay buccaneers steal one from the rams because the rams looking ahead. They're falling asleep. This is a long trip for the charge that go all the way six hours to Miami. Bad things happen the teams that go down to Miami they didn't happen it. Didn't it happened this year. Obviously it's not happening usually loses but I don't know how good the charges really are and when you look at Miami this is a perfect trap situation for everybody to bet against them in and they look up and beat the charges and get their first victory not meaning now saying they won't have the number one and number two pick and they still go one in fifteen fifteen. I've been wanting fifteen before not a lot of fun but I think the charges is not so overpowering gardens. I ain't gonNA play in this game so if you think you don't Melvin Guards back going to be great. That's not even the case. I think Josh Rosen is going to have a pretty good game. I think the defense will play better against Philip rivers and I think it'll be close game I still I think that the charges should come out of victory but don't be surprised if Miami Win Game One more very quickly the giants hosting the Redskins. Should we get Danny dimes hall of Fame Jacket reporting to the New York media jump is that this is going to be a little bit of a dogfight as well. I'm looking for houses. Hauswald called her cousins case keenum. Yes bouncing back from different think I'm looking for case keenum the bounceback against giants team. That's trying to stay on float. They should've lost that game against the buccaneers but they won. He got to give it to him and I think that Jay Grooten is is is is is all hands on deck. The firing squad is out if he loses his football game chances are they're going to make him walk back from New

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"Great News there's a quick way you can save money switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more more on car insurance go to GEICO DOT com today and see how much you could save. He is Jalen Anthony. Rose what a dull jacoby own cool shit kids together. What is it that we do get people along joining us in studio later is who Jalen Rose Ryan Montgomery also known as Royce? The five nine. He will join US next but we we start with this. I keep waiting for the forty nine. DISAPPOINT ME I keep waiting for it to happen and it just doesn't happen. The latest was last night. They didn't just this. beat the packers they whacked the packers. Is it now time for us to consider them the best team in the NFC and putting some respect on a lot of defense that's a player's name arm. Also here by Richard Sherman. But that defense don't every level has been so very dominant and I have to say one other thing not the same as rose Ann. Rogers been average this year. Oh Oh average for Aaron Rodgers. Well I picked him in fantasy so I see these numbers research results in personal. So I'll care what the hype is out there okay. He's a terrific player over on yes. He's a hall of Famer champion and all of that but his numbers he completed twenty balls yesterday full a hundred yards wearily. How do you have twenty completions and only get a hundred tells? Tom Brady stuff really not not now. That defense again. I WANNA make sure about down to pay homage to the forty niners defense Aaron Rodgers and that office was as it does. I have seen to be fair. Rodney had red jerseys next to him every time he dropped out every time the job is a Red Jersey in his he did. There wasn't necessarily on him as much as it was the offensive line protecting absolutely Sachsen saxons sacks they get to the quarterback you don't we'll have to cover long and then a deepak made place. You know what Aaron Rodgers wasn't that great but Jimmy G. was like Jimmy. Garoppolo is someone who cannot be disrespected inspected anymore like it used to be kind of a punchline handsome and you know he was hurt last year but he has proven that. It's not just the deepest carrying this team. Jimmy G. was putting involves ray where he needs to last night. I keep telling you guys this. He's not an underrated player. That gave him over one hundred million dollars to play football after maybe ten games. Seven Games. Okay so they saw potential in him and I WANNA make sure I give college Shanahan a ton of credit because when you leave a squad and you take players with you. Uh that means you know that they can do some special that they weren't doing their other team and that's what he did in Qom. You see that now. All of a sudden they could get multiple games where they we have a couple of rush. TD's they have terrific balanced. Once you ask Sanders you give Garoppolo a number one. Can we not ignore a guy caught touchdown yesterday. His last name is Samuel. What can we give them? Love being named depot. Yes respect blonde. Three hundred thousand muscle. Anyway I bet you and also we got a security blanket back and kill the former like the arguably the best in the league absolutely well. That was the only big game yesterday. How about them cowboys the cowboys into foxborough? The weather was bad but they couldn't score. They ended up the game with nine points. They could not score a single touchdown and Jerry Jones had some interesting words after the game as he always does. Listen the owner of the car significant setback for our team We needed this win. We needed to win against an opponent like this. We haven't had this very frustrating frustrating to just be reminded that some of the Fundamentals of football and coaching were. What beat us is out there today? I don't think there's a game that coaching staff has there is. That couldn't do better and I just don't like it that we've got so many as I'm staying in the makeup of this team. I shouldn't be mad. Jerry Jones Unhappy Jalen. Is this the end of Jason. Garrett's ten here's the cowboys head coach. Seattle Sundays I'm watching ten twelve hours of football and I have this ritual because I want to be prepared for this show in any other shows that I do and I don't know which games we're going to ultimately talk about so I enjoy all of you know we're talking about the cowboys I know and I do this thing. I'll take a lot of notes and I walk around the House and my wife calls me. J McVeigh all all of these Games. Because I want to be as prepared as anybody in this industry when it comes to talking about sports and let me tell you what I wrote down when it was ten to zero in the second quarter of this game I wrote down. Missed field goal blocked punt interception doc. Bath role to Cobb on third and two was led into a field goal. They are going to lose. Oh Yeah they're definitely Lu you tell the whole game and the Patriots do something that I wish my lions do did a plan the elements okay. So now all of a sudden it's raining outside Dallas. Plays in a dome they. They didn't look like they were familiar with planning practice in that they play in that they're used to that. They terrific at home so I understand how Jerry wants to be frustrated about his coaching in special teams play and all that good stuff but the Patriots. Did something really special defensively. They were great on defenses. Amari Cooper site. How many how many have you had lessons to find Gilmore? How do you have the problem is one of? Them's defensive back. Yes that's the problem. So he was on lock. Ezekiel didn't get one hundred. The elements were really bad. So I I won't give the Patriots Credit. Not necessarily talk about what the Dallas Cowboys didn't do because yesterday wasn't a surprise to me. They haven't been a winning team all season you know and so yesterday just continues to compound that fat. You're doing really bothers me about this cowboys team. They're gonNA make the playoffs. That really bothers me about is cowboys team. This team does not deserve to make the playoffs but their division is just so trash. They'RE GONNA end up in the playoffs. You know what else bothers me. I really don't want an owner giving live interviews real time after a game that just kind of undermines everything but for everybody out there and he thinks that. Oh so now Jason Gear is going to be the scapegoat in all of a sudden. He's GonNa go higher top prospect. Like let's go right up late. Check Lincoln Riley. How many years have you heard me say how much I love Jimmy Johnson? You we know how much I love the you every time you know how much I love the Cavs you bring this up. This really hurts your heart and does and he wants so bowls for Jerry Jones. Still Ain't put him in a ring honor to this day to this day. It's really bad. Come that level of Patty. Let's you know not only. Does he want to win. We we all want to win but he wants to win being the face Jerry. Jones Year Jimmy Johnson is celebrated more as a survivor contestant than the head coach he really it really is so much happened the NFL that almost overshadowed what happened in the NBA. Luca Danni which not only has he put together a season so far he went up against. That may look at James. Aren't you went up against James Harden it out James Harden James Harden. He had forty points awards. Six rebounds ten assists and that had a win against the rockets who've been playing well. Lucas dodgers is on a tear. Jalen rose easy like Sunday anymore. Easy not out of control really disciplined. I love the edge. Daddy plays with the versatility ability that he has playing off. Phases is a clutch performers. Show to be that last year. He's a dynamic twenty year old. I'm not one of those guys to give away perfectly fast. You're about to say I am about to say something when you start talking about the best players in the league. He's there right now. Now he's up there. He's up there now. He up ten. He's Tom Ryan per shirt. Now and that Seoul very impressive eight to accomplish. F- yeah for me to acknowledge in only his second season but he never looks pressed. He's unbothered on the court he's just it's just it just seems like he's a natural like he's you see eastern players. They're trying like you. He's giving his all every single night. Donncha seems like he's got another gear to get to look at his last four games just the last four times times that he lays his sneakers and took an NBA court thirty seven points. Eight and a half rebounds almost twelve assists should be five from the floor. And that's just in thirty one I'll give you the most impressive thing of all of that the minutes per game You can thirty seven thirty one minutes. It Plus Give me twelve times grabbing eight and a half boards. It's crazy craze. Ain't too many people that have walked. The face of this Earth have done that. He's twenty years old he was the wildest thing about him is like. Oh you're Taylor year. Because he got in shape. You're nineteen SHAEF. You've gotten shape but but also I want to continue to to Acknowledge american-born players I e Zion Williamson are required to go to college international prospects. 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Turn to go further with goodyear discovered tires that rise above the rest learn more at goodyear dot com goodyear more driven geico presents. No not again another voicemail from your roommate hey man so I was in a rush to get to work and I left the back door open. Shut it I lifted wide open while you're are there. Could you also turn off the oven. And all of the burners. My mom never let me use the oven. I wonder why the Geico Insurance Agency could help. Keep your personal personal property protected like if it's your roommate's first time operating oven visit GEICO DOT com to see how easy it is to switch and save on Renter's insurance Jalen rose who's in studio with his right now. A well dressed handsome young man representing the murder Mitten Detroit city government. Name Thomas Ryan Montgomery Ryan but says he spits bar so he adopted. Nee Royce to five nine and he's in the building take it. I'll take family so we go to the podcast portion we do exclusive content for the podcast. Some of the things we talked about the podcast with things we can't talk about on the TV show show because executives they watch TV show. They'll listen to the podcast. I want to get your thoughts on cabinet situation in the workout that he had can just how you feel the relationship between the NFL and con Cabinet has gone very difficult for me to speak on it. Uh of because I'm not quite sure from always and the no of what I'm looking at I don't really like I do understand in it like the most powerful person in the equation is usually who controls the narrative. No matter what it seems to be so I don't really feel feel like the. Nfl Deserves Colin Kaepernick. You know like it's like a double edged sword it's like on one end. It kind of looks like they kind of set it up to to make it look a certain way in a in an attempt to make him look away and I don't think they're being held accountable for really anything. I think everybody's just kind of like inputting everything I hate to beat a guy who's just like the cat the cat train. Also but it's it's just like when you when you're talking about two entities no doing going into business with each other you know everybody needs to be held liable man show wavered is just like that's not standard and you basically asking me to sign something that says you can't sue me for discriminating against you. GotTa though I'm about August after discriminated against you already and never been held accountable so just I don't know but then I can also be looking at you know somebody who's just you know acting like a crazy football player. Who knows what are the things that some people tried to give him Criticism for was his shirt. That I thought was dope the couture Kim Tae won and I really want one so very bad. Did you have a problem with. Woody chose to rock on his work up. Of course not I mean as is is people jump people jump up and down about things that don't matter it's like that's what does it matter. What is she would win? You know what I mean and it's just like we gotta get out of that space where we're uncomfortable with with certain narratives. You know like everybody needs to be a little bit more comfortable with that. I think that kind of feeds the problem. which is you know systematic steamatic racism and they're like One thing's about all right. We're going to film it. And we're GONNA disseminate the video to the teams that could potentially hire you and someone who's worked in television for twenty years. You can edit anything to make it look like anything so I would not be comfortable with me doing a workout behind closed. Doors that the media you can't see and then the resulting footage is controlled by the NFL and distributed by the NFL. And that is something that I would not agree to. I think it was it was was genius family at least take a step forward and say. I'm going to make an attempt to control his narrative. I do too far. Id Interactive active. Who just joining us? This well dressed handsome gentlemen. His name is Ryan Montgomery Ryan Montgomery and a house. Let's this he spits bars. The World knows them as Royce the five nine and the building yes sir as we get some exclusive content. I have to ask you some really important award. You a chance to share a studio share wreck. Share ideas friendship One of the greatest of all time Marshall Matters What does that like it? Changes changes throughout the years. He's a very dynamic. He's a very dynamic and his perspective changes a lot and You know we grow grow as we get older and you. No we have moments of digression you know like we have moments of SIP supreme consciousness in connection and then we have moments disconnect. You know what I mean. So it's like I enjoy all the moments around them for different reasons. You know what I mean. I like watching him go through the various stages I like seeing them. Challenge himself in like try to figure Different ways it. Just Kinda like move the needle in a way where it hasn't been moved before I got to ask you about a record you are on this song renegade your Barr says about eight plus the way to go what ended up Ryan. We did that. Song Song We had two songs. I had a situation with a with Sony records back in the agreement that we came with with my my people are marshals people was. It was going to be one song that we were going to have to use and get single writes in all of that. You know what I mean. So we did Tucson's rock city which was ended up being a single and then we renegade and you know it was just kind of wanted those things where it was just like we recorded it but we have recorded so much this music with each other just period. You know what I mean. It was just wanted him songs wheel we just life. We didn't dislike it. We didn't like we went like obsessing over it like it was like we we. Just reinvented the wheel. You know what I mean. It was just one of them things where it was just like. I had a certain agenda with what I was doing with my album. He was on a whole different plan field but what he was doing with his album. We weren't like invested in it like that. So when Jay z showed up he needed it in 'em had already been like Kinda like missing miss an opportunity for twenty every time it just makes sense. And that's probably why when you heard divergence classic you ever get a phone call. How did you get Marshall? Hit me up. He hit me up and asked me. was I cool with it and I felt like that and I was just like. I'm like thank you for even asking when young you didn't you didn't need to get my approval on it. You know what I mean is. It wasn't my song you know what I mean like. I agreed to pick one once. I picked that one in just free free game. So we're GONNA talk about this new television portion but why is Jalen rose. The only person walked the planet with your new album the case as he Z.. My face every single day you gotta hear this new Roy's rush in the email ever. I just never. It's like a phobia that I have to just have stuff jeff floating like in the cloud. You know what I mean like I try not to email stuff a lot and stuff like that. Just got like a phobia but I always try to get got like a few people did always try to get stuff too. I before I put it out and I've been I've I've done that with him with every every every but you could come join the party hardy man if you want to take his phone he no code album this call. I'm excited for this project. Dick so very much and when I hear a dope album is seems to always remind me of another one that I've heard and hopefully you liked this comparison but it kind of reminded me of public enemy. It takes a nation of millions and ice Cuba. America's most wanted. I heard that I heard that In the studio I heard those comparisons and that's like you know that's deaths us in the presence of greatness closed the top ten albums people don't want to admit which makes it better which makes it better because in Lsu let you know is no smoke. You know what I mean. It's no is no sorcery. No magic tricks is what it is. Correct the bars the consciousness. The part that makes you think I love what you do with your song on the album. So intelligent he's smart Jacoby right now. They argue over some so much debt so in a project like that including clearly takes a long time in my opinion of never written a record to to come up with something that has a beginning a middle in in Roy's those ages songs. ooh That's a book. So can you talk me through the process of putting that classic album together man. I appreciate you calling it a classic. I mean it's just really MM is really the only way that I know how to To to do a project and consider as complete to myself and I'm infield fulfillment because that's really what I'm about. I'm about to completion things you know. I'm not really like you know what success is like I finish it finally finish this shit. I feel like he's right. That's like That's celebration for me. So Lake started off as it was supposed to be EP. I agreed to do at up. Because I produced Giusto things so I just started making beats you know what I mean so it was like I was not. I'm not I'll I'll do it EP. And I couldn't figure out how to make two three four songs exists with each other so just like it. Just start turning into more music and in my perspective starting to change a lot. I was already going through something while I was doing it in any way. I'm always going through. Something Spiritual Awakens all the time you know what I'm saying like just I'm I'm always. I'm always seeing things different differently from how I seen him two weeks ago and I always try to make the work indicative of where I am at the time. So it's like this is is the first album that always say it happened to me like as opposed to me said not to do it. Because I wasn't doing nothing. I was just chilling. You produced a you made all the beats on every single. It'll be what all man song is. There's always a team behind everything but this sounds like an individual. This is a team is a team of people that I I like a select group of like Masters Freida Master Master Dot Com cough anything bank Mr Porter Carlos Broady DJ premier. You know in his leg when you had that kind of support support group you use it wisely. So if I'm GonNa let them come in and hold my hand and do things I might as well just let them produce it. You know what I mean like it takes away from the thrill. So it's like just me trying to figure out ways to Get knowledge from them in. Learn how to do things on little nuances and stuff without them holding. My hand was tough. You know what I mean like. A lot of it was just. It took for me to be in a room by myself as much as possible taking the room. Where's this Physical Space Heaven Studios in Detroit Have Studios and Detroit is I get my most work done. Probably like once it hits like three a m three four. Am and I'm by. I myself that's like I'm like probably too happy as I can be second to when I'm around my family my wife and kids. You know that alone time is like my only time where I think the phone ringing could get to that place where. I'm not trying hard you you know what I mean like things are happening. As opposed to me forcing you know what I mean or being like. Oh I need discount a record and I need this. No that's a total lack clash the natural vibe. You know what I'm saying so for our audience is important for me to say this as somebody that got exposed to drugs alcohol myself at an early age and now in hip hop or just in lifestyle so many young people it just kind of goes hand in in hand with their day. Can you talk to them about your sobriety and how important that is to your journey. Well well I mean that was my first feature awaken. It does add like when I came to the realization. Did I can't drink. It's like it gets in the way of everything. I don't make good decisions. I don't like the way I feel after I do it and it's not healthy. You know what I mean like like once I came I came to that realization. I decided to start taking steps and then once I did that. You know like the things that opened up like just a just this stream of consciousness like the knowledge that came from that you know what I mean like you able to police yourself in a much more affect the way when you just clicking on all cylinders twenty four hours a day so for somebody that has that awakening and wants to take that step. Can you give them some advice on how to get on that journey or how to get on that role. I think everybody has their way. You know what I mean I think the first I the first thing is just if you can get to a place where you're admitting that you have a problem. I think that's a very strong space for you to you. Get to in a lot of people think that space is a space of weakness. But it's the absolute opposite. You know like you're finally they're like you finally you. Can you not looking for looking for validation. You not worry as much as what others think because there's no repercussion. I'm admitting it I'm disarming Arming everybody I have a problem. And then once you're eight once you able to admit that Dan you allow you allowing people to help you now. You know like if you can't get to that let's face then all I can do is talk to you and give you advice based off my my journey. But he's the won't you won't be able to apply it so you get there s base. We we really appreciate you spending time especially with the podcast exclusive -Aug.. Live you know because this is always more intimate conversational so now let's do some. TV's Davies get people to do it just okay is not okay. No matter what you're talking about whether it's your wireless network or your college football so on Saturday morning we looking for a game to watch. We know you're all in on your team but after that games over don't settle for just an okay. Hey Matchup Watch the best match of do what I do. I find the best games going on with the best teams in the best players. 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How did that come to be? It was it was random conversations. I mean obviously as soon as I heard it the the NFL in in Iraq nation. We're getting together and you know like the distal tag along Inspire Change Spire Change Initiative. It just totally fits is like the mind frame that I was in even writing song. You know I was just kind of looking at it. That's kind of looking at everything in a way to portray you know like like you know on TV. And everything. And I just feel like it needs to be a little bit of a balance People are GonNa see this. They need to see us for what we what we really are you. You know I mean and like cool way to do that is to take some of the words with negative connotation storm in kind of redefine them and you know that makes subjective active from that point safe song. It's not like a pop song like a family friendly policy. Yeah you know. That's not what hip hop is. That's not what hip hop. That's that's like something has been. You know they they try to indoctrinate that into us. When I get into the business going pop is like success? It's not success. That's not what hip hop is. You know what I mean like hip hop is speaking to the world. Unapologetically your truth in a way. That can bring on positivity and I'm like desk kind of like where I am mentally right now and that's where I am with the song you know what I mean. It's like okay. We talk about how we want to have sex with everybody's girl but how can we don't talk about being faithful to our wife talk about getting drunk. Why don't we talk about being sober? Let's just let's just be who we are. You know what I mean if sobers which you are do not think that's what we're resonate to best if you just unapologetically be that no not. I'm just way I'm in a way more comfortable space. Just not uh not having to like please anybody or you know what I mean like. Everybody's out here just like conflating can flagrant and and you know just people pleasing and you know his painting on canvas and I hang it up and I just move onto the next thing and as a friend and a fan of yours off always been impressed by how you Never Sucre feist your morals for public consumption and so I appreciate not only your lyrics in your consciousness but consistency so for a song like this to get this type of support. How does it feel to you as somebody as you mentioned that just sees himself as an artist and never who's GonNa compromise his values? I'm honored I'm honored. I love it. I love it because it's like when I hang it up. I'm like yeah. This is for anybody anybody to come enjoy. You don't have to like it and I'm cool with that too but if you like it we always wanted to be you know like We won't be. We want to be known. We want to be appreciated for our contributions life life. We don't necessarily hang our hat on and obsess over it but you know what I mean. It feels good to be recognized by anybody so his honor. Roy's you're from Detroit. The Dow obviously do show Jalen rose. So I've heard about the FAB five but I can't imagine what it's like to experience the Fab five in Detroit at that the time. Take me that time and place. What the fat five meant to you? In his energy energy cultural phenomenon Influence these things that that that that ranged far beyond the span of just basketball and as you can draw a correlation between the way today impact coach feature like how hip hop back to coach. You know just unapologetic genetically you and taking you not the nuances. That had air in just making them your your own doing little things to you. Know like makes them them and then you know we all want to do it too so you know. We had to cut off lease. We had big shorts everybody. She left hand drivers. I had do. WHO's trying to convince us that he was ambidextrous because it has made the shot was terrible? Always shoop with right hand. Yeah but it was just it was just. They had home they go. I don't think we're GONNA see ever again again. I don't think so I'm GonNa ask you a question that I can't even answer myself Who's your top five that our love? Oh Oh oh oh you think that's possible the answer. That's why I think it's just a narrative disappointment like the more generations rations pass by the more impossible that becomes. It's not possible. You know what I'm saying because it's like you can't put five people together you can flation. Yes because it's like you got different people for different reasons like there's certain people that I feel you can't even compare to each other. You know what I mean like like doctors rays first verse on g thing is the perfect verse is perfect verse. You know I mean so it's like can you compare that to Jay z's verse on the Dynasty Album. You know what I mean like. It's like this two different things. It's two totally different. Contributions Sion's in two different ways. One can't discredit others just not. You may not have an honest conversation at that point. So what about some of the artists. That inspired did you. Yeah I'm inspired by like I grew up on. You know like you Doc Bradman obviously you. You know I'm vocal about that. I Love Red Man. RASK has Buster I'm Eleven in W. A. All the chronic albums. And then you know when Biggie Biggie Nas. Jay Z came around. I was I've a very important question. Why is Jalen rose the only person on the planet with your new album? You'RE GONNA rest of a general population ovulation citizens. Get your new album like a party. We got like a party. That we ask is to listen to Al before anybody here is part is just to make tripping stop talking about and I'm not fortin it's I wanNA thank you so much for coming through. Thank you for the new could be released to more people. That aren't named Jalen rose at some point. But we appreciate you coming through you. Welcome back you loud and bold radio announcer who was hired to tell you about the loud and bold flavors in Tyson. Anytime there's chicken's necks. Their boldly says it and full of flavor. Thanks for listening. Thanks Bye Tyson. Anytime chicken bold flavorful chicken's necks jalen. Rose something we've been talking about for a long time some changes to the schedule of the NBA. My Guy Asia Rozier Ascii tweeted over the weekend. The following he tweeted reporting with Zach Zach Lowe engaged in serious and broadcast partners on sweeping dramatic change. The countered include reseeding at the conference finals in NCAA tournant in the post season playing Jalen recently of the conference. Finals seems like a compromise. I think the playoffs is what we were asking for each to me in NCAA tournament. I don't really care but the postseason play on playing is really interesting to me. Well this is things that we've talked about for a long time and what ended up happening Jacoby as the air is changed really fast from win in a player. Valued the eighty two game schedule and took pride of showing up. Every night versus the analytical society now have ended. Say to to the point where you have a nineteen year old in Jama rant missing games early in the season the low management. You have to find a way to make the regular season attractive again. Adam silver's working at doing so so we think it should be one through sixteen but they're not going to do that because the eastern conference owners won't vote for it but remixing. The conference finalist is interesting. So essentially the team with with the lowest record will play the team with the highest record but does it skew towards the East because they play Eastern Conference foes so their records will be higher anyway correct. And that's why I felt like it should be an actual one through sixteen seating and I think it's going to eventually get their hopefully. We're around the based on exactly what you just said the Easter in your own conference offer you play. Fifty James I Record Jill rose tonight we have the greatest show in the NFL. Lamar Jackson the Ravens taking on the rams any any chance the rams upset Ravens Lamar in the ravens are for the culture. They really are Humphry. My Guy Playing back doc. Earl Thomas Rust Bitch. You Know Picture John undefeated they already in this game. Because they'll be up by so much time I go to sleep. That's why you add Jalen Ramsey to go with Aaron Donald. So it's GonNa be interesting to see how that plays out. I WANNA thank royse. The five nine nine for coming through only Jalen rose has album. We will all get the album at some point coming months. We'll be back tomorrow with another dope pod to step to jabbed.

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"Would day three of eighty we at the o._c. Week e._s._p._n. O._c. house in anaheim chris did some good kishan. Did some good catching watching doors travis's pitching ski. You got a future. I could do it a little bit. I think that about the crowd and the guy was running pretty quick runner there you go august doesn't like dan either. Casper doesn't like dan so like the pay. Gotta ring the doorbell. They just walk in and cassius upset. He doesn't like intruders day three of e._s._p._n. O._c. week we arrive at the house in anaheim now tomorrow. We're going to be a black gold country club black in yorba linda for day four for a special golf rate for all e._s._p._n. L._a. Listeners check that out but here's the thing day five. You need a new t._v. text o._c. Right now two four zero seven zero five you can get on our v._i._p. Lewis to be with us is it rocket bruce and buena park seventy-seven beach boulevard across from porthos. You can celebrate the end of o._c. Week with the morning show and a lucky you got to be present to win is going to win a brand new atv. They've got a special menu for the good morning sunshine menu that they're going to be serving at rocket bruce some good stuff on here a pulled pork machaca burrito french toast two tickets. It's a paradise and a special so that's all friday morning at the rocket ruse in buena park and you know what else is rock and chris o. At eight fifty seven keys doppler is opinion sixty six degrees although the suds coming out going to be a mid eighties today rosh. Let's close less close with less than you have right now. <music> keys headline his presented by sprint kaku well emoji house flutie rupp's frustrates russian. What does that mean there. You go we do i was. I thought this was a big palm. Tree emoji house few erupts in manhattan beach. Residents are taking action once upon a time on thirty ninth street in manhattan beach house was painted with neutral colors and palettes and grays and tans fans and whites and now all of a sudden this pink with big emoji faces all over you know they got the smiley face tongue out the lip today the sunglasses face. That's my favorite. They got them all up and so people are going crazy. A neighbor reported the home owner katherine key to the city using the property for short term rentals such touches airbnb which they did not like because other people are renting sometimes even an airbnb people come in here neighborhood that you really are looking for is that they do a radio show the ryen illegal in manhattan beach. You can't airbnb in manhattan beach. I didn't know that either yeah. I couldn't serbia my place in venice so that would make sense now. The house is painted bright pink. We yellow emojis frustrating the owners all over the neighborhood. You're bringing it down. Do they have the plan emotion other. They do not have the eggplant emoji as what i see you they've got the google. Lee is highly tongue hanging out and one with the zip yeah. That's something i love it. Why i asked you want to be with that guy. We're told me what i couldn't do. My house told me i couldn't airbnb in my house. You know what boom how you like me. Now i care less as a neighbor to be honest which you would your color of your house. Look like you would be the color what it says each town you're not. We're not pervian but we're not in a suburban residential gated community. This is a tale. You got trash next gorgeous all all up and down the streets of manhattan beach. You got him up in costa mesa. You got them up in huntington beach. You got its big houses and little old cottages and checks. That is what it is that that's the that's the story of the name. I get that a beach town can have a dump right next to a place. That's absolutely amazing yeah. I i understand that but but i don't want some guy with a giant fuchsia house with emojis painted on the side because it's ugly and i don't want my neighbor if your front doors. You're just like your car. There's a difference between us this and just something that's genuinely hideous you. He's no where how to start it because the neighbor said you can't have airbnb property because the neighbors right yeah so the neighbors get the community gets to me if i want somebody staying in my house. Why don't you give a damn right exactly. Why do you care because i gotta look at it. Every come on show. The five wanted somebody to come. Stay in my house. I don't care if you do airbnb so obvious. Oh why would you go to the city for me not to be able to do it. No no no the airbnb being be part doesn't bother me. It's the color and the faces on the side of what started all of this in the first place was the fact that you try to petition me not to be able to do airbnb in their class. Do the city and i can't airbnb this. Why are you doing that. This is why we can live together. We disagree on h._o._a. Rules that's exactly what this is about as first amendments rights all boy. This is about freedom of expression. He's expressed himself on his house. I say power to the people i'm going to go up there myself janez janez jasmine mostly house every morning my ties if they made in there and all kinds of pineapple travel the seats girls is very good. Oh i'm not so what you see. Thank you jazz by the way speed of emotion on the pets there anything cuter than somebody your partner or somebody you're dancing isn't worth trying to catch text the face with zipper mouth. That's adorable what that's adorable. Face the emoji with the smiley face with a zipper mouth. It'd be like oh. We can't talk about it but you know what it's funny because we are missing the real story here. Which is the artistry of these emojis. He's a really well done chelsea. Come on right or when travis at five forty raja go hey travis. Where are you in a text and he replies back with the poop emoji. That's never happened. Yes sir talk. I've got to stop five times on the way that did happen. I never emoji. Do you just go along with it but let an honest dealer chris in all honesty now. The neighbor shouldn't define or declare what one can do with their home. That was keys headline morning. You're listening to k s._p._n. They live in a historic district. No and i have and you you wanna put a different kind of shade on your house. You have to go through a committee because there's a certain shave a needs to happen to fit in with the historic district re regulations and restrictions and that's okay. Historic is fine but i'm moving into a area in which a dump up is next to a gorgeous home next to dump that next door tear down. Why do i care but i've lived in neighborhoods that have a h._o._a. Rules and i can't paint my house a color unless i get signed off found by the entire community just painted just because see what the community says all right. I'm a organized march jesse jackson doing so hard knocks debuted you'd last night the oakland raiders talk about antonio brown frost biting. Is that a word frostbitten frostbitten feet. Thank you frostbitten twice. By so he burned earned his feet and now we know why he cold burns. There was also some other stuff in hard knocks including some guest appearances and let's start with the john madden jon gruden brings in the former coach of the raiders all year aamer eighty-three-year-old john madden john john madden his voice isn't very loud john madden sam john madden will boom. Here's where you gotta take the guy moving what's going. Hey what's gonna morning morning. With seven mass let us first thing they do so that would get rid of all hangovers when you're a player and you have to drive arrive that one hundred ten degrees out of coaching you just standing out here. You can ride this thing all day. They show up at camp hoda rubber absolutely the billy. Oh my god smells like a bar on the practice. I can't imagine anything worse than having to go performance of football practice hung you okay so what happens here. Here's here's the deal training camp so take you inside. Hey quiet near the guys living you. When i played we would have about on oh call it. Twelve practices straight today's right two four six eight ten. Whatever count the number of days he's in before you have an off day it least twelve practices straight before you have an off day so that day is let's call it saturday saturday so you're off saturday night. You don't come back into hill sunday afternoon but you don't practice again till monday so saturday night imagine you've been practicing for basically twelve practices straight week and a half two weeks. Whatever you have nothing in your system i mean a couple of people might have stuff in their system for the most part. There's no alcohol. There's no sort of substance none of that that that funny grass. It's not just none of that stuff then you go out and you go out you consume alcohol and when you come back to practice monday to feel <hes> mhm you talk about the i'm literally telling you the field smells like a bar no really seriously. I don't have a problem with because everybody. Nobody is toasted coast so i'll i'll go with that. No i'm not saying it's a problem he just asked did. Does it really happened a bit. I just have a problem with the decision making to have that be part of your first episode when you're the oakland raiders head invade. Let's not oakley. It's not the raiders raiders that make that decision this h._b._o. Decision on what to aaron how to edit it and put it together today. Jon gruden whom no-no jon gruden who jon gruden asked to come john not and i didn't have a conversation about where they use that h._b._o. Used at h._b._o. Could've used the john dill at the end. I get that i'm talking. I'm talking about pre-production pre-production. Which is john getting a fall says. I want to have a conversation. Can you come in. Let's talk about that. No let's not talk about the hangover. Part is winning hammer shows up. I don't think that they they're just talking when you put it when reality in i don't know how much you know about reality but i know you know about reality cameras adjusted here. If people just i it's not john grew the stuff that happens before one thing. That grooten is not doing. He's not paying attention in scripting what they're going to do with h._b._o. He's just talking. He does going going on and just doing it. I get that but he he talked to madden <hes> and i'm sure they said hey i want you to about blah blah blah he did and he told me and i won't let me ask you. A little story about what you did at training camp is okay so that's been that's my point and he thinks that that's cute. My point they bring in john madden and i understand that everybody that's an n._f._l. Player right now certainly knows the name john madden but they probably know it as much from the video game as they do anything else about coach. I was just gonna say this. John madden resonate with a modern n._f._l. Player at all and some players are always going to know the history of the league. Some players will wheel but for the most part they're not. That's not john madden to these guys. Nowadays is the video sure and then they may goal in google seaweed coached in this that and the other but for the most part. What is the video game which is appealing. That's an appealing. That's appealing. You got this. This dude has changed the face of video game right. You know thirty five forty years ago and so two a player young player. That's like a wow even when i play the john matt did our did our games on monday night football it. It was still like him grew john man you know you're you're of a certain age where you remember john madden video game. You remember john madden as a broadcast. I only remember him. I don't remember as as a coach only remember him with c._b._s. Dick's not dick stock had summer all pat summerall the men. They'll tell you know because cowboy games early morning by the time john madden was done coaching the raiders. It was the late seventies. You kids like you barely remember. Women town florida's right. Tom floors was the first coach of the raiders that you really remember so but at least jon gruden excuse me john madden and has some connection to the raiders has some connection to the n._f._l. Jon gruden also brought in celebrity chef guy fieri to the team. Here's here's guy fieri on hard knocks. Yeah we <hes> we were going to come out and cook coach. Let's at clear we did that a couple times way trauma to the end of this stuff your venue making me sweat watching this all right so he's always john's always brought somebody in feary. He's always very about this guy fieri but what could always from that area. I know he's a raider fan but you know wrong uh-huh antonio brown give a damn about guy fieri knock knock because my feet falling apart because you might like cooking and you might have watched his show i i don't honest to just show me the pitch and i'm not going to do there is around tasting food. We'll so here's sitting in in the meeting room and here comes guy fieri and you're like oh. There's the guy that rides around tasted food and then you what you to now. I mean listen to what he's got to say if he's i don't know what he's talking about. I would assume he's talking about cooking. Enjoy the diet that you need to certain things and putting your body. Let's get a wall. He's he's done but that does have an aunt but that doesn't mean your yeah. You're good food. I don't wanna rotund football player attack when i go get my hair done if you're jacked up. You're not touching my hair. Wait out. It'd be offset optical so it's working out by emi. We was at cheer. It was the duty trainer on and the whole thing and he's working out. You know one of those older type. Miami emme retired like ladies or whatever put look like chris so points gene assay. That's a trainer. Just didn't i'm like i can't hide in hard earned exactly sorry take a shot. That wasn't shot. I wanna do a show like that. Though i just go around tasting food would you go from anaheim house dan. How's the survey can happen cheese. It's day three of week. We are here at the house post. Looking pretty good sons up getting ready date three. 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If you want to just a little swatch just feel it. Go to modern con dot com. Thank you so much for the shirts. Thanks to be a part of e._s._p._n. You know see week. Thanks for having me put this on. It's not bad. I'm not giving this one back to blake. This one goes with me all right. I'm believe it or not believe it or believe it. It an been twelve years since barry bonds hit that home run to passing karen. I'm looking at it now. On the replay well years ago. Barry bonds became the new home run champion and he hit his seven hundred and fifty six career home run. He passed hank aaron for the most all time and a perfect example of this alex rodriguez was universally universally loathed by sports fans by baseball fans in particular as disingenuous and as a steroid cheat. Alex rodriguez goes on t._v. Alex alex rodriguez turns out to be a pretty insightful baseball analyst and kind of goes through the process of reinventing himself as a pretty likable guy and i would argue that most most people now have a pretty positive association with alex rodriguez and one thing he did is he owned it yup. I did that and blah. Blah blah about barry bonds twelve four years later is still every time barry bonds. His name comes up. They can't be ten seconds into the conversation with somebody goes well yeah but we all know before. It's one of the tape take bonds twelve years later i don't. I don't care what he was taken. I don't care what was going on. I know he's cheating. I get it. I just know that what i saw for that period of time was it's the most amazing stretch of offensive baseball i've ever seen in my entire life. If you took steroids you can do that now. It could no point. He went three ps prior to the matter though he still hit it but see here's the thing i'm the i that you just mentioned. Here's the ad that guy yeah no but here's here's the ninth when it comes to barry. Bonds steroids can and do a lot of things that can make you stronger. You can help you with your recovering wedding. Hit not do is make you better at hanae court combat on the ball and it exactly accolades that combination is why he is who he is because in the era of steroid use everyone was using steroids or came. Everybody tapped out a window here for you. My point is a good chunk were using steroids but still being able to get the same results and others others can't relate users. Were not alienated. The way that and part of it is is the bonds is a really deeply unlike other but other steroid for this other steroid arroyo users didn't break all these records and all of this in in be celebrated as they weren't as good clem in cleveland all light one means either. That's what i mean and and i think it's more the unlike because what's his face was a pitcher. No not sammy pink man <hes> andy pettitte. Andy pettitte came out and said you know what i'm sorry. I didn't mean to do it. Guess what come on back and come white. It's fine. It's a likability not if all that lying to me you keep lie i to me and you just lying to me. You lied to me wiping my nose to smell like roses come on but even but even let us andy pettitte as the example key because andy pettitte never said. I did it what andy pettitte said as well. I needed to get healthy again so right now. I probably shouldn't have done it in retrospect but he never came out and said look. I was cheating because it was making me a better period. This data part is good enough for me. Okay but clemens and bonds you take it all courts and automatic close. Guys were not only the biggest benefactors whatever it is they were taking because they were already great players but they're both universally disliked if either one of those guys could somehow soften their image or their presence and just kind of have a little bit of it. You know what it it was. The time i got caught up in it. I don't feel great about it is what it is and they lied all the way to the courtroom i i understand but so does everybody else in the company went and say it they went all the way with all asia league baseball he goes standing in front of congress congress at all in front of a lot of people saying i didn't do it yeah but then eventually he said oh yeah. We'll start too late for them. Why because they did at that ten years ago okay but it's eric should say hey rod just kind of didn't last year to know iraq did era did he had to redo it. We did yeah. He did a couple of times. The reality is is that berry boxes. Jaylo didn't hurt the helps. He should be in the hall of fame. He's been a hall of fame because we all know when he was skinny. Burying pittsburgh he was in the hall of fame. He went his m._v._p.'s before he started his his head exploded in the free came home run hitter but he cheated he cheated allegedly allegedly cheated but what he didn't do was make sure that the media loved him from beginning to end and he's being punished because he didn't give a guy who's quotes. He's being a._m. Punish has some tankers during media day. He's not being punished because restores us. He's being punished because of how a handful of people fill about him who needed him for quotes twenty years ago who's in the hall of who's got hall of fame recently. That was a steroid. Nobody nobody's gotten in. Here's cody has changed and the people who vote has changed. Ah yes travis lookalikes fewer few if you're you're the other part of this too is is gonna say anybody's name because i don't want to put anybody even take names you just because you didn't get caught doesn't mean you didn't do it. Well come on pastor. Just because you weren't named in a report doesn't mean you didn't do it if if if the report and i don't know and i didn't see then that means you didn't do no. That's not true to me. It is listen to it is sports illustrated data story brady anderson when he exploded for that was fifty plus home runs or whatever he did burgers or something talking about he was he was. What was he rollerblading more picture all this by the way he did he did he caught yes. Yes so then he did but key come on man. He didn't have to say no. I'm not going to punish you because i think you did it. When i know you did it at some different. I don't think i'm going to change your mind to try one other way. Okay go ahead okay. When lance armstrong was the a guy that beat cancer and was was winning the tour de france and every other rider of that race was busted for it and lance armstrong was kicking. Everybody's buddies asking that race. Every the whole sport was as dirty as could be and he's at the top winning. We haven't caught him yet by anybody with any sense of logic was saying look if everybody's cheating in this guy smoking everybody come on man. You got guys that are hitting. All these home runs that are hidden all all these but they never got caught. It's a come on man. It is all moment but didn't get caught at the time so therefore. I'm like okay well. He didn't get car cool man. He's he's incredible. The guys that cheat no it's not that incredible. He didn't get caught. Give me my brain but that's what we're talking to you and we saw it. It's only a crime. If you get cut i mean if you rob the bank and you got away with these better at covering it up right good. Is that how it is look man them dues this. It was in baseball that took steroids and broke all the records and became this that and the other understand they were great before the royds but the fact that you have put this into your system. You cheated not only other players on other teams. That was not doing it then. No i don't i don't just this term is in my head he other way. I agree do not what they took away from the guys that were clean. I'm one hundred percent with the on if i the super bowl lawsuit vote romanowski when he was roy ended up and all of that and this time i would have been mad absolutely zooming every last one of your teammates as was clean which i never got caught. I don't care jacksonville's cloud went to the super bowl and that's really been with north carolina panthers uh-huh panthers the panthers that went to the super bowl loss and they all you found out they had truckloads of like roy lost but they beat someone a._f._c. championship a._f._c. championship champ shift. It is day three of o._c. We were here at the house in anaheim. It's get nice outside three of o._c. Week seaweed feeling e._s._p._n. O._t._c. week by from orange county all week long e._s._p._n. O._c. weekday number three from the o._c. How the heating location travis secret of course it's all made possible here at the house. Keep it as hydrated and having some fun hydration situation. I'm a casper jumping trap this it buddy how you doing file there you go this. I told you like me. Get smell the bacon on your breath peanut butter and get a shot out of this shaggy. Look at me and cathy. Is there you go. Casper threw off the biltmore. We got the decor light. Refresh your summer with a coors light one more time. Refresh your summer over the course. Let me open down here. I'm like oh did you hear that pop and kalashnikov company of course the great colonial country treaters of siegel batch world-class hawaiian. Rum's james tastes the aloha enjoy responsibly. Let's we'll taste them yeah. Last time i got into the clo- rum. It was a log shelat. I'm not gonna lie. That's pretty that's pretty good. You know what else is pretty good trial. Let's go to the n._f._l. Let's start this in green bay. Packers and new head coach matt leflore and aaron rodgers not on the same page early in camp. The coach likes can't likes camp likes working out with other teams. Here's what aaron rodgers said said about doing a joint practice with texans. I wouldn't mind if they didn't do it for another fourteen years and then he said that the offensive work is of great value because schematically. There's not a lot there and he doesn't like the risk of injury. Is this just one of those things or is this a real problem between rogers and the floor. Take it or shake it. Take it real problems. Take take take it though she sleep but i think when you think when you think about what i said the other day about out joint practices. It's a no no. No one wants to do that but coaches then only ones you. There's there's nothing to gain from it. The iran tell you 'cause. Let's coaches are stupid. He just do stuff. They just day or stupid. I told you this the other day and raja's comes out and basically backs up exactly exactly what i'll say it. No one wants to do that. You risk injury. You're getting no real work at all and it is going to be a power struggle for this young head head coach and matlock floor in aaron rodgers. It's going to be a power struggle in math going to have to cave in or else. He's going to get fire yeah. I was just gonna say if you're a brand new head coach jay first time head coach and all of a sudden you gotta go coach your first team as the head guy that's one thing you've got to be the head coach of the green bay packers with a hall of fame quarterback. Who's in the meat prime of his career. That's a totally different thing different. Yeah it's different because ann rogers is also different. He's so cerebral. He's so questions every think think anyway. He's not just gonna go to get him on like other. Q._b.'s wills so you know skiing on the walls though skin on the wall. What do you mean it meaning matlock floor. Oh if you if you were dealing dealing with coach that came in and mike shanahan or bill parcells done something that has some skin on the wall the aaron rodgers with baal down where if there's a guy like sean mcvay say the world gets up into shining face their push mcvay a smart enough to realize that i need him to produce some let him do what he needs to do. If he's doing what he needs to do in his positive then we're gonna be okay and if it's negative it's gonna follow him. I've done everything to make him a better player. I'll keep my job. We'll get rid of him next one also in the n._f._l. Are- this very quickly from the washington post the washington redskins will become the first n._f._l. Team to have a gambling focused telecast of their games offering cash prizes to viewers who correctly predicting game outcomes during the preseason. This is the new normal in in the n._f._l. Where everything is going to be gambled on in game all the time. Take shake it. Take it take it. This is a test model you you beat a guinea pig and let's see how it goes but this is just another form in a way of gambling and put more money into the owner's pocket. They're gonna figure a real way out to make it even bigger especially when new stadiums are being built. You know you're going to be able to do all in game stuff right at your seat or you probably going to be able to go to the cage in the concourse being able to do it. They're going to do go to your iphones they they. They're figuring a way out to be slick. You know the league man yeah. This is a money play seconds. That legislation was passed that sports gambling can be legalized state to state but this is this is a challenge. It's gonna be gamble. I it's coming in. They're going to get a piece of it. Even if it's one percent of the gambling market i mean forget about the hesitation was never a question of morality. Hesitation was trying to figure out the best way to monetize this new stream of money and now they figured it out the you know the head coach ralph yeah. It's not gonna stop to all right next one also n._f._l. Topic to texans should go after disgruntled running back melvin gordon orden taking a shaky. I think they take it. Take it yeah i think they should i think they need running back help. They got rid of a deontay four-minute from saying his name right. They got rid of him. They cut him a couple of days ago. They needed running back. They need somebody to take some of the load off of the shine watson loosen in things up for the andre hopkins in passing game. So why wouldn't you go after melvin gordon. Why wouldn't you break down at the end of the season. When you look at his string of injuries they all seem to occur toward the end of the day need running back health. They need renovating. They haven't really had one since arian foster and on top of that they are a team. I'm ready to connor break out in burst. I mean that that's exactly what type of team they are right now. They're good. They're missing. They have a quarterback. They have a playmaking wide receiver. Their defense is a highly effective. This is the piece missing yeah. No no no. I mean if you the question is why wouldn't you to me. That's the only question that if you believe that your team that's a chance to make the deep run in the postseason then you need to make sure you're clicking on all cylinders and that's a player melvin gordon who historically has shown to break down towards the n._f._c.'s those injuries occur bulls bulls on parade travis the single stupidest motto i've ever heard of my thyroid wipe. The texans heavy bulls on parade thing that is beyond stupid stupid all right the next one carson wentz says the preseason games are not necessary for him. Carson wentz is right key ticket or shaken take it. Oh <music> clearly a couple of reasons why unnecessary risk injury for him. He's an injury prone type player. At least he's shown that over the first a couple of years of his career secondly new ram shown that you don't need to play in the preseason to be successful and go to the super bowl jared goff had an amazing all pro type season and did not play in the preseason. Tom brady place yeah but that's okay. That's that's what belichick likes to do but tom brady doesn't need to play doesn't a half to play but because bella check is of the old mentality in school mine that's what he wants to do. What if something happened. Tom brady and a preseason game. I mean look tom. Brady didn't take a lotta hits. I guess we'll have it. We're moving on to the next guy. There's say the question i was going to was is there criticism at bill belichick that what the hell was he doing out there. No whereas bill belichick earned diplomatic immunity it'll be it'll be criticism because that's just what people do but bella check will answer it as we're moving been on our next guy. That's how i've been. I've been doing this for thirty five years the same way and nothing's ever happened before but blah blah one more very quickly back to dallas cowboys. Amari cooper is the player with the most leverage in trying to get a new contract taking a shake. It take it take more than back because does if he does that can't afford to sit out for a number reasons. He hasn't made any money and he's a quarterback. That's under heavy scrutiny amongst the league. He's not somebody that they would snatch up if he was on the open market in a heartbeat and pay him that type of money cooper on the other hand has shown at then when when he came from the raiders to the cowboys here with the seven to it increased his percentages in passing game on third downs and all of those other things and on top of that he was a number one pick in the first round pick for the raiders so economically he could. She'll you know it's totally different. Zeke's at the bottom of the list. Zeke is at home club in his letter houses. How's this autumn. Question is about leverage. Zeke has the least amount of leverage right because of all the things we talked about. He's got two years left on his andy. Leeann have at least amount of leverage all right there you go so we brought the nerf gun down from the toy box the moisture toe box here at the o._c. Saw fire that off. Let's get to the pool in the they say. I wanted to fire my nerve gonna again. You need blue dot com. V. shoe dot com like you chew a piece of bacon and first thing in the the morning put their to the promo code seven ten and you pay five dollars shipping. That's all you can try pollute you. You can fire that nerve all night long and youtube travis even even at the house until it no thank you dave for a week from the house day three o._c. Week you. You can't miss a moment of o._c. Week check out our social at e._s._p._n. Los angeles for all the e._s._p._n. Week events and celebrate e._s._p._n. Uh-huh see week with us all week log e._s._p._n. Not weekdays number three c. house so here's what's going the rest of the day roger's gonna hit up the anaheim packing district from noon to to to go see raj and then you could hear a little freddie jackson rosslea denying medieval times i i key is going to joust with mason and all are great listeners at one their way in horry pop that up a little bit off the talk you take off the towel rush. No don't do not not in front of me or come on now don't do that tomorrow is dave. Go ahead to hand me that butcherblock right there. Ah tomorrow was able golf at black gold golf club in yorba linda. If you wanna play golf and take the day off work. They got a great rate for you. Sixty nine dollars down almost forty dollars to play that absolutely beautiful course travis ireland are going to have multiple foursomes. Go out there and day five finally we will wrap obosi z. week on friday and we're going to give away a t._v. Text o._c. To letters to four zero seven zero five. I'm gonna get on the morning shows v._i._p. Rock and brews in blamed park seventy-seven beach boulevard across from porthos. We had some yesteryear list. Last night was fun fun fun very generous. Generous listeners to know are littered bias cocktails. They supply raj and chris. You know with the product that they need. Yes there is a lot of coors light at this house. Tunsil insulate coors light by the way hold on. We've got a pyramid of course light sixteen packs. We've got a cooler full of it. We've got an originator full of it. We've got a second refrigerator full of it. Coors light refresh your summer course light coors light. Refresh your summer look. I wish that we were on t._v. For no other reason so they could see the eyebrows when you the eyebrows go up no sean so radio well we did a seventy two radio show nine thousand nine hundred ninety s radio millennial linnea we check the ratings are going pretty well. How was that other stuff used to do with dave shore was that successful you remind me of the mortar was his name every time that used to be so mean trying to move a lot every time you used to see me until i started working on this show was as you would give me the radio because that's how your parents reimposed in half that starts saturday at two o'clock as a matter in fact just starts tomorrow finally and the raiders in no absolutely and there's a full slate game tomorrow. Most of the games for this week are actually on thursday. There's about twelve games taking place tomorrow and a couple of different ones kind of jump right out at you. The chargers are in arizona and it's the first time that we're going to get to see cuyler. Murray in a quasi marian tiny murray key is all about building his confidence and just making sure that he walks off that field feeling pretty good about himself or is he actually gonna learn something going out there for the first time without fake it is about building his confidence especially whatever time that he plays if he gets to the engineer to draws you want those to be successful. You wanna see him possibly get in and out of third down situations. You don't want to just hand the ball off nine three times and you take taking my game you wanna give him the reps you want him to be in tough situations where now all of a sudden it's third and seven you know they're gonna bring the heat. You want to see him in an environment armand that you just do. He's a rookie quarterback was unproven. Rookie head coach is unproven. You want to see what they can do. What happens if he goes out there and just is throwing the ball aw everywhere but where it's supposed to go. He's just he's inaccurate. He's jittery he. He's just not looking that. You're putting him in position to see succeed. You're calling plays that presumably family. He is comfortable with rose that he's comfortable with and nothing goes right view of a moment or is it just a everybody calm down. I mean ask you this. What happens if he goes out there and throws. The five touchdown means nothing well then. Why does the opposite means because that's how we do it. I'll that's my point. It's like you can't you can't sit and say preseason. It means nothing but then when something bad happens in preseason it means everything all depends on what's coming at him if he if he goes out there and he's not performing being at the level that he did in scrimmages or in o._t. As in many cameras all the same reads and all the same throws and he's not not getting it there. I could chuck that up to nervousness his first time seeing something in live action that if he goes out there and he torches the unit that he's playing against and he engineers to strikes going drive capped off by a forty yard field goal now seventeen seven and he's eight of eleven for seventy nine yards two touchdowns but he all the reads right and everything and he's progressing and he's absorbing the information. He's taking it then. I would say to myself okay. That's that's exactly what we've envisioned. We've seen this for many camps through. I do summer training now in preseason games. It makes me go okay. We're going to build on this. What about cliff kingsbury his debut two. It's the first game he's going to be busy rolling up his sleeves and walk around l. sunglasses on thinking these at texas tech. I promise you that's going to be doing rolling player to two lines of reasoning. There is the awareness of cameras to kelly and he's trying to play it up. He's also the aspect of the fact that because he's aware of the narrative he's going to do the exact opposite because he doesn't want to continue that near. He wants be taken seriously. They look sean. Today's fully aware of the cameras doesn't affect his ability to football coach where he doesn't play to the camera but he's aware the camera gruden is aware of the camera played to the camera cliff is in a situation in which people feel as if he doesn't deserve to be there and because of that. I have a hard time believing someone with any amount of intelligence is going to know that's what people are whispering about you if you come pound by playing to the cameras by rolling up if you sweep and modeling christie okay over there what is home free. He's he's not okay. He's never been okay. They got his toys. They got his co. See house to hold the toy like that but it's a it's a poem trance. It makes me feel summary. What about the fast food on the maske no trying to put the mask under my tile. Oh aw dig about what's under the tower. We'll head travis. What's a good deal. Never take preseason games out of this. Let's assume we're getting ready to go in the week one and you've just float whatever never happened. Preseason good bad or anywhere in between what's a good first year for karla murray is that isn't a five win season. Do they have to win. I mean what is a season where you come out of that saying. You know what we're gonna be okay. This guy is better quarterback play. They had a year ago but it was impossible to evaluate the quarterback players. The team was terrible well. It's better quarterback. Clayton had a year ago now. The team is different. You've went out. You've acquired your draft. You've done things you got into coaching the old guy getting one year now. We want better progress than we had a year ago now. If that means winning three games amy you're showing progressing. You're losing games in tough situations by late field goals late scoring drives defenses playing better offense is certainly playing better but you're still losing games showing showing me progress if not dog fire you know i'm just gonna fire after just got a fire yeah i do. I do i do but so you didn't wanna hire him yeah. We were you don't want to hire. The firm is not very hard and he and his team some fiery me here two years in a row now. It's not my team so i'm a fire meeting. Okay but notes that you are you did hire him but i wouldn't have never hired him so far for me to pretend he wouldn't have hired him and then he you wouldn't have drafting exactly so the whole scenario it's hard. He was only employee rooting for them to lose the only one that will system coaches to lose did you. The pool boy waived by off. Leave that why he later by calling him a pool boy. He's a pool. The pool runs immediately business. No he services the apu. Maybe he's young at heart. Runs wanted to take a picture with is because he's actually she listener of the show. Go get him okay so we were talking about. We were talking about this. Don't the preseason football and the rams. It's whatever i'm not paying a whole bunch of attention to it exception being the routes and half the cleveland and browns too because i think that they are feeling very very much and i think that they are set up to have a really disappointing season feminine cells in large part because the the videos given reasons to fill themselves. You know we want that right. Why are you playing with the studio. Snakes going on. It's four minutes left in a e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. jane three they're trying to hit us on you and a half and i got my eyes on the clock because i can't wait to leave speaking of the clock. Are you excited for you. You feel like a good burger. After the show meet. Meet district is just showed up isaac the chef there in the backyard at the barbecue meat district butcher craft grafted premium burgers steakhouse quality burgers right in your house and we're gonna enjoy some of those after for the show. It's going to be beautiful brown team. Everyone's eight known are going to root for to lose. I'm excited to see him. I want them to do well. I'm rooting against him. I don't like acting like they've accomplished something before. They've accomplish accomplish something. I don't like that. I don't like baker mayfield. I don't like that coach pretending that all of a sudden tough he's a tough guy that i'm going to fire that whole thing is anybody that has authority already does not need to tell you that they have authority and this man is going around saying if i catch you anonymously leaking nettie but first of all you're not going to be anonymous so dan just showed sort of our one of our bosses dan. What size t shirt is that right. I mean that's a that's a small right. It's stuck in between us growing e._d._s. from the kids section. I couldn't fit in a small when i was six years old then. What does that say about dance jeans yesterday before you even hear i'd say dan coming with those little bitty jeans. He's he's a very spelt man. Not an ounce of fat on them. I could get one of my legs in those jeans. You and i would be bursting equally. Just put our bike half of our lady of there'd be a denim shrapnel assert is tiny. It's a tiny little small guy smallers entire life. It's nothing new what are you going to do. What are you gonna do any manja joy the o._c. Week for two more days. That's exactly right. We going to be at your belinda glac goal tomorrow. Inflator park rocket bruise on friday raj is going to be in the packing district in anaheim today for noon for lunchtime. Show where it is. How yeah like the towel for their and key is gonna joust tonight tonight against mason you got your lance readies sharp at the top no atlanta's blunt chris. It's a blunt thing yeah. It's not pointed at the end. It's rounded oh. I didn't know that well that changes everything so so anyway tonight with mason. It's medieval times with your pick me to do something with him. What he means you could pick just like l z or janice. We want some crawdads. Somebody some crowd to women just sassy. That's uh-huh sixteen seconds guys redoing its key. Last five seconds of this show have not been very good have a fantastic day day three threes.

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REShow: Kyle Brandt and Josh Duhamel. Hour 3 (11-25-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

57:34 min | 6 d ago

REShow: Kyle Brandt and Josh Duhamel. Hour 3 (11-25-20)

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These oil deals are for everyone. Quality parts helpful people. That's napa know. How know how generous based pricey sales price is not applicable state local taxes or recycled these offerings eight. Thirty one twenty. This is the rich eisen. Show rudy back to throw. He spins it down. The right. Side and intercepted. I wanna start there right from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles. Jim gray here on the rich eisen show. You interviewed brady more than anybody else. What do you think he's thinking right now. J. why did i throw those passes earlier on the show. Saints head coach sean. Payton chargers quarterback justin herbert coming who host of good morning football. Kyle brandt plus from the new film. Buddy games actor josh. And now you're rich is all righty everybody. It is time for our number three of the rich eisen. Show orient sean. Payton in justin herbert and those were great conversations great conversations even though my conversation with justin herbert ended with me making one last talks about how young you looked at his haircut. He didn't really respond And the rare instance of interviewing somebody where you go. You still there either. The last two quarterback hurries one ended with me. And just he's still there you're there. Oh yeah. I'm still here great and then yesterday arrogance harran How do you watch a game. Like monday night football. You know tom brady versus Jared goff and you know might have to face the bucks again same thing with the rams right at some point like how do you watch you watch you break it down like you watch the rashi watch the protection and you watch this all rich getting you know. I have to go to sleep early. I was reading a book. You read a book about. Oh dreams tell me more about your dreams are like literally a turn it to dr melfi. And that's the way it won't last two of quarterback interviews who knew all righty. We've got josh duhamel. The dreamy josh mel Going to be joining us He's got a new movie called budget where he and his friends do stupid stuff. It's basically the plot and it's fun and It's kind of like the the great Holy-moly with mini golf on steroids. Basically all of that. That's coming up. But i'm very thankful for this man calling every single wednesday his podcast is dynamite and i am quite frankly Thankful that there is a show called good morning football that starts off. Nfl network every day and is one of the most watched and relevant shows on tv and And we have a show like it on. Nfl network and one of the members of good morning football back here on the richeisenshow. Brian how are you brother. I'm great to talk to you. it's an awesome. I'm i'm thankful for you too. Thank you for the kind words. try Spend most the thankful for your conversation. Just herbert relating to haircuts. Because frankly rich. I i really like it when you got any topic of hair. We once shared a dinner in which you expect. Shared your feelings with me about brian. Urlacher being a traitor to your kind. And i thought it was very funny and so i'm into it and i would have loved to have been there in studio with you for the herbert conversation. I appreciate that and yes this was. I believe last year right around christmas time in tampa when when you were there doing good morning football prior to bucks and texans and we had a fun dinner the night before where yes and i told this to our landers face that he is a traitor abroad Brockman is jammed. His well the ball brother. He left us behind left us And we don't take kindly to that he's base of o'hare airport bryant. Relax you cannot leave or enter the city of chicago without seen his face with the fake hair on billboards all over the airport. One of the billboards even says o'hare h. I. r. rubbing. You're not yeah okay. Got it So we just did mulligan super bowl mulligans to start this show. Because i'm getting ready for tomorrow's nfl game day morning Did you take a mulligan on your preseason super bowl pick or no no sir not in the afc my friend. The pittsburgh steelers at and And who'd you have in the who'd you have the nfl none. I i took a lot of heat at the time as you always do. If you pick anybody in august other than the reigning. Afc nfc champions But i just it. Everyone said oh. Come on rothlisburger. He's you know. Wash dot com. You're living on planet delusional. If you think big ben is gonna come back from that no way no way not enough offense then it looks pretty good ten and Postponements aside but nobody knew about chase claypool. Nobody knew how good ben would be. I feel great there Therein lies the rub in the national football conference. Though i as we talked about early on in this season big i went all in on the tampa bay bucks which i don't feel great about and yet i i don't love really anyone in the nfc. I think there's a there's a lot of good teams. And if you're talking about a great team like i don't see chiefs. I don't see pittsburgh even new orleans you know it's the they're in a really strange to this and right now and the team that i'm i'm falling slowly in love with like we're we're just slow dancing. It's it's hands on the hips. We're playing simply red or something. Classy i like. I like the rams. Were saying that mcveigh. Yes while you were going with your Your underwater the fish under the sort of set up right Chant under the. I'm into it. I'm into the enchantment under the seat nance yes because we are pointing at mike del tufo who got off of his buccaneers pick prior to the season and jumped on the rams to win the nfc. They are his mulligan very rarely. Do i point to mike del tufo and say you. You're you're thinking would be similar. His let alone in terms of trying to sound expert on the subject of football but their defense is frightening. It is aaron donald team. Now on what you're looking for an identity. It's donald in the front jalen and the back kind of like you know A mullet like a football mullet. Yeah and and offensively. They didn't even need a run game to work. Games that requires apparently run game. Two to work off of on monday night man. I'm the crazy thing about that. Game two is aaron. Donald was not in the stats sheet. Aaron donald molly. Not a sack. He didn't have tackle in the game. I'm not exaggerating. Cooper kupp had more tackles than aaron donald for the rams the other night and they still won and it didn't matter because the effect the game that much they have so many good players around him now that they don't rely on their defensive tackle to take over the game and they can still win And i would be remiss rich we're talking. Nfc to not to bring up. I feel like. I've got a pretty good sense of the things that that both of us and the guys find hilarious and the the fact that we're here in twenty twenty and somehow the comedian gallagher is relevant. How awesome is this. That gallagher is the face of the dallas cowboys right now like late night. H one gallagher. Unless here's here's ana ana i'm to. I'm going to keep pulling on this thread. Kyle brandt here in the rich eisen show that i do feel like cowboys. Fans over the first eleven weeks of the season were actually draped in garbage bags because they were afraid of all the detritus that was gonna be thrown upon them based on the sledgehammer. That was the dallas cowboys. Season offensively and defensively. I do believe that there is already some similarity to the cowboys season. And the comedian gallagher. That fans had experienced did not actually however see that coming similar to. I think the last time a super bowl. Winning head coach brought up a pop culture reference. Nobody saw coming might've been when bella check went. Mona lisa veto on on during deflategate coming. You know they were asking him to talk about you. Know if affected cold weather has on inflation and out of the other another galaxy bill belichick. I'm not the mona lisa. Veto of temperatures like bill. You've been sitting on that forever and yet listen. We've seen strange mascots whether the rally monkey for the angels Remember at one point. Pedro martinez had a little friend that they referred gallagher of all things And it just it just makes me wonder wilder be more friends. Like if you're mike mccarthy do the speech to smash the watermelons and it works. What do you do as an encore. What comedian from yesteryear. You break out. I have some suggestions. Hold on a second kyle of before you do that though. I think maybe before you get to the suggestions. I think you're you're you're might wanna work if you don't mind me work shopping it before. Is that instead of the same team pulling out other comedians. From the past that may be in this wide open dumpster. Fire of an nfc east. Maybe joe judge goes and gets carrot top for his own team and they do battle and these old older comedians do battle. Because i'm assuming gallagher you go and you get the the john lennon of prop comedy carrot top. And that is if if the raiders aren't aren't using them yes that would be great. Also i think gallagher up. You've got to call them. I believe the gentleman's name was with jeff. Dunham will have the old man puppet. Or the vince terry fatal. Just down the street to them. I think you'd find my guy yaakob smirnoff country matter. What a contract to america's team the motif that's perfectly and then i think before the eagles week you go to the legend and you say if you're on the worst division of all time and you still can't win a game the philadelphia eagles you foxworthy and they just just run the gamut these guys and you go all the way to the super bowl. So who knew potentially. Wow the road to the super bowl went through branson missouri. Who knew that that would. That's the town off smirnoff. Might be seen right now. A pre pandemic to branson missouri. And you bring the family and and you enjoy the moscow on the hudson. Comic stylings of yakov smirnoff. There you go and if anyone does. This doesn't know yaacov. He was sort of a he had a little bit of a barrage stick before boron was in russia. This in america this then he'd be like america what country you don't have tanks and your parade. You have baldwin goal. I love this country. It was a great stick for a few years. Now he just kills and we bring out and decided to make his last name but it worked. he's still doing it. He still owns the state of missouri. And i gotta tell you rich. A little promotional thing here on the network. I know tomorrow morning. good morning. Football was doing our defacto hand off to you guys on our pre game coverage. I am going to be on my driveway tomorrow remote. Show and i'm going to smash the watermelons and mazda gal pal. You know what i can't. I can't wait for that but in all seriousness. Kyle dea think mccarthy came up with this himself. I mean how what is. What is the genesis of what trying to smash a watermelon style to show everybody prior to this game coming off the bye in minnesota that whatever the hell the analogy would come from. I mean who do. We know where this came from. If the great question and there's there's a follow up question of really think that anyone on the roster take home. That i don't know if lee vendor ashes familiar with gallagher but he went with it and i it strikes me as car the if if we were to line ball thirty two coaches ridge and say which one is least likely to do a gallagher. Prop humor smashing watermelons. I think mccarthy might be the guy this is the guy who used to show up for interviews. And you know you would ask. Hey mike we found this interesting thing in your background that used to work as a toll booth operator before you got it right and he would say yeah you know. I actually think it's funny. Okay mic tell us about the packers running game. He's not a dude and yet he's smashing melons jerry jones. I thought maybe. You should have gone with sid. Caesar joke maybe the cowboys long snapper is lp. He he's been deleted long. He's thirty nine. He is possibly the only one new song. Snapper got it. I think is has the water country. Vhs actual research yakov smirnoff. Jeff done with the puppet. That's great okay. He's the guy lands. I would be surprised. If andy dalton gallagher thing back in nineteen ninety far lewis was all over gallagher. Come on and love gallagher guy monte kiffin fantastic call brent here on the rich eisen show aright brother this look. You've had a lot of great celebrities who podcast. You've got a lotta great celebrities on and you've done you've done a yeoman's work when you got some tim robbins on and nail it with all pop culture ever but this has to be right. This has to be way up there for you. So far for your podcast. This is my letter d. This this is why i got out of bed in the morning. And the have scott stapp from creed who comes on tells all the stories Completely self deprecating and has an awesome connection to the nfl scott stapp responsible for the iconic two thousand one thanksgiving day halftime performance. A game in which. I believe he was the brian greasy. Lead broncos visiting the ryan leaf red dallas led dallas cowboys and higher and they played their other songs and he gets into all the details of the flying ribbon men and all the decorations and he's wearing number eleven jersey with staffing back. I said it's got. Why is it. Eleven was it a your. Let's oversight of the he says no eleven because that's two ones put together and that's how many number one hits. We had at the time. And i was like oh stab. You are beautiful. He was so funny and so cool. I was hoping his answer would be because like a spinal tap answer because that's where the volume on turn it up. When we're playing higher could could've said that but he went to number one hits. Tell all the story of his recovery creed. How much love aaron rodgers. If he's willing to play a private concert for cousin's birthdays legend. So how did you connect because these are dots that you you can connect yourself from your podcast guests right. Yes it at the end of every episode we asked you know we ask somebody all right. So you've done a show call somebody out who come on challenge them you know like one of these viral challenge styles. So you know. Mcconnell says woody harrelson come on here and ann. Rogers says James wholesaler from here will kirk cousins as we know is an unabashed proud creed fan for day. One and after cousins came on it a great episode. He said i want to have scott. Stapp come on here. I don't know what steps up to never met him. I don't know if their touring reach out to stop. He's i'm in. He shows up hangs out ninety minutes of premium stuff and he was in and he in kirk cousins may work out something for a private concert of my own prison. Kirk birthday great. You do know you gotta get gallagher on now though right i mean i know. Gallery your gallagher's a huge get right now. I don't know if people are. Trevor oliver and barbara walters competing and very gallagher right now. He's hot and i'd love to get them. I gotta tell you kyle. I mean when when when bella check dropped that mona lisa vito reference. Now chris was. What was that. The thursday or friday before the super bowl was right visiting the weekend. Saturday the saturday before just landed in arizona right so it was our first super bowl that we did For this show Along with direct. Tv and we are all set up. And you've got the sound scientists. I'm not an expert in football's. I'm not an expert in football measurements. Just telling you. What i know would not say that. I'm mona lisa veto of the football world. He was in the car expertise watching my cousin billy the night before. Like just fantastic so we immediately said we have to get. Even though i mean we had so much working you know So many moving parts. We've never done this before at a super bowl for our show. And you know we had so many moving parts and the guests were aligned up. We said we had to go get maria. Tomi as a gallagher. We had to get so i immediately started calling people who knew i'd run into her once or twice before. She wound up being the only time she could do. It was the first segment of our first ever seen show the first ever super bowl we guest in the history of this show was in fact marisa tomei who said that her phone totally blew up out of nowhere having no idea why and her life basically for forty eight hours went crazy. 'cause bila check right there with the kremlin winner in that role and you in the show with it. It's a really amazing frozen. Mummy which i remember and i only wish there was more i. I wished that ballot check when referring to the two gentlemen who inflate the footballs referred to them as the to us that he takes pride in his grits. And that's how he knows how long it takes them to time the ball. He had gone down a huge huge wormhole from my cousin. Vinny and maybe still has that in them. You opening the show super bowl week with the oscar winner. It was going to leave a veto. It's an all time. It was great and i'm wondering gallagher's film must've blown up. Wherever the hell that was we could pay them in. Branson see i wonder though like gallagher not exactly maybe the ideal radio gas alley zoom watermelon. Describe for me. The fruit exploded. Gallagher's seventy four. And i think he's retired in idaho. There you go. Yeah i know we've got takes two. There was a time when comedy central name their top one hundred stand ups of all time and gallagher was literally number one hundred and he didn't he goes fine. He's pissed he starts name. Said i never heard of this guy. I'm gallagher like he he he but maybe i take it back so somewhere. Somewhere around redfish lake in the two seconds that the that the five g kicked in his phone could actually get some sort of reception. It buzzes. Like what the hell's going on with the dallas cowboys it worked. They won the game. It worked you gotta keep doing it so jerry. Jones's somebody go down to the supermarket. Dennison more melons with on his on. Jim be this morning and we said what do you think of jerry and jerry. Would you be willing to swing the mallet yourself. Absolutely and he did say if it means. We're going to win games more than health to help out. So he said yeah. I'm game spitting his hands. Rub it together and smash somebody go to the arlington Shoprite and buy up all the thanks for the call. Kyle happy thanksgiving. I'll chat with you. I guess in the morning when your show hands off to go from good morning football to nfl game named morning. You the man. I am leaving right now to go the supermarket to find watermelons. And i'm not kidding. I'll be cannot wait. Please take a photograph of of of the cart. Okay i gotta go outside sweet potatoes. There's there's one idiot. Get by twelve Watermelons november that'll be me. You'll like flounder. animal house. I'll take ten thousand watermelons. That's me i gotta. I gotta get watermelon jane. there's cover. I never leave. But my gosh wow. I wasn't expecting to talk about gallagher with them. But that that mike mccarthy doing a gallagher act to fire up his team and it worked if there was any head coach that would have done this. It's mccarthy right so you wouldn't he basically said he's like the last one you'd think that would be a tune of that sort of thing i don't know i don't know i don't know of any any like comedy. Standup up. comedy aficionado identified. Maybe i guess have zoom zoom into the team so crazy whatever works man cowboy fan model win. Who's a familiar with gallagher's work. Dj jefferson. i know it. I all at second. You must have met him right. You've met everybody. I remember that. One time when ashton gallagher komo and we picked up watermelon backyard and tiger. What i've met yaacov veered off at the comedy store. Actually adam in the back said true story. Yaacov did a podcast episode with my roommate in my apartment living room adam in the back yaacov snap yaacov getting any question. Probably all right. We'll take a break josh meals. Join us next and other fun game coming up. He's he's he was on the unfortunate wrong end of the gallagher trick. He's a he's dire vikings fan. He's coming up next. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you too. And i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along their auto policy that's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com support for this podcast comes from pluto. Tv need an escape drop into pluto. Tv for a world free tv stream hundreds of channels and thousands of movies and shows all for free. Yeah free no. 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What's up am all my friends who gave bagels because of the eight or camaraderie roderick times. The bengals massey's have we figured out our discount on these masks yet. No okay back here on the rich eisen show radio network all good. I didn't know if we got you know what a great conversation cobb rent. Did we talk football very much at all little bit. Let god it's so funny again. I forgot to even promote his pot. Again it's a ten questions with spotify and ringer staff of is his guests. Good morning football is on the air at seven pm tomorrow or actually no wait a minute. We're on at Even know what the hell we're on at ten am eastern time tomorrow. So they'll be on at eight hour lately it'd be great i'll be watching is Is our friend josh on the phone. Of course as promised the film buddy games it's available in theaters and on demand digital and dvd. Right now marks his directorial and writing debut. He also plays the role of bob. Father in this film. Along with a livia. Mon and dax. Shepard nick swanson was phenomenal. And kevin dillon and so much. More friend josh. Do mel back here on the rich eisen show. How josh thanks for having me. Thanks for coming on this program. I greatly appreciated Now this film josh before we get into everything else he'll let's get right into it Buddy games it is your direct and writing debut. It's a it's about a group of friends who come back together to play the games and a lot of these are they're interesting. Let's put it that way josh. They're interesting. I give you the floor on on some of these games that you play very tame way to put it. Yes they they they are interesting obviously We in some of the events for for cinematic value We don't actually do a lot of the things that you'll see in this movie but We do some pretty crazy stuff. My buddies and i have been doing this for. I don't know twenty years or so And i've known these guys since. I was like some of kindergarten bright and and we had an idea to write the script a few years ago and we wrote it and decided to take it in and we ended up. You know w w loved it and and let me direct it. And it's it's you know. My my goal here was to do two things. One was to tell a story about friendship. And all those friends Become more valuable as we all get older and you know some real underlying Teams here but you know most wanted to do something that that really pushed the envelope. I wanted it. It'd be moments in this thing where people are like. Oh my god. I can't believe they just went there. And there's some stuff you just can't unsee in this movie and it's we showing it now. A few times theaters people absolutely lose their minds. Which is what. I was rooting for. So let me let me let me walk through one by one year and you tell me if you've actually done this or your friends have actually done this with you And or you just made it up for the film. If that's okay. Josh do okay i one is you take a laxative before going into a bar and hit on girls before The laxative kicks in. Is that something you've done. You know we have not actually done that but that would be a pretty fun. We might try that one next year. Okay but that is That is what is done in this film. Well the idea is to win the challenge. You got everybody have to download bottle of laxative. You've gotta go. You know you gotta get a girl to buy you a drink. Yup gotta get him on the dance floor and you gotta get into the give you a kiss on the lips and if you do all that before you lose it you win the competition. Here's another one the hold on hold on a second. Here's another one Playing chicken with a komodo dragon with meat strapped to your head last one a bell wins but he got on that one. Josh how we we actually have not done that. One either that is that was one that we made up for cinematic of value. It was the idea there is that you strap pork. Chops is pretty self explanatory pork chop to your head. Everybody sticks head ups up this you know in started this whole so you don't think showing your head released a kubota drag and the last one who stays about the whole ends so what in. This film is something that you have done. I've just named a couple of them. I don't wanna give up too many But what have you done in real life buddy games. Well i mean this last year every year we we do everything from ping pong to wiffle. Ball golf okay. All the basics but there's always one competition that's just outrageous this last year we Bob the guy who i play in the movie has made us All strip down into our underwear gave us a cup and a helmet. And you have to stand there with your arms. You know spread. Why both ways and the other team would shoot a paintball about twenty yards away and if you flinch you the point and you got hit you know depending on what part of the body you got hit you. You would get a certain amount of points. So that's the kind of You know adolescent behavior that we revert immediately back to you soon as we all get together and again i wanna give anything away in the film but in real life. What do you win when you say you get points like. What does this bragging. That's it that's it it's not even like a plaque or trophy that you could just point to and say this is what i got. Because i didn't flinch when a paintball let me in the nuts like literally. You know you don't even really get a trophy. At one point. There was a trophy. But that i don't even know what happened. I think so. Yeah just bragging rights and now that we're actually talking it out loud and think there's something wrong with me. Josh duhamel here on the rich eisen show and how many of these i'm a. I'm assuming the number of zero but how many of these is something warts and said that's too much can't do it come. I'm not even kidding hammond. Him and back at all. I mean james day is amazing and the guys you know. It's not just screw all stuff either. It is outrageous. We're talking about meeting the pina colada part of it but but yeah it's a truly wanted guys who would come in we are. We only had eighteen days to shoot so we had to go quick. I wanna guys who were You know actors. I but also comedic and could improvise it. I let them just just kind of let them go. We had a we had crammers. We had to keep within the scene to push the story forward. But you know. I want these guys to feel sort of creatively liberated as they went. And that's what i. That's the way i love to work. And and that's kind of environment research and they came in and just laid it down and it was so much fun like summer camp. So did you at least attempt to get dame judi dench in the cast streep. Did you ever go on that. Well what do you think. Oh i did. I did but apparently she was busy. Just maybe just. Maybe the stunts were just too easy for. She wanted something more. Challenging could be that you know you could use obscene run that forty yes data benefit concert. You're always welcome. And i could do the one where you have to run in protective gear with the arrows being shot. I could try that one you know i can be a good one. How about this one josh. Here on the rich eisen show again. His director oriel and writing debut buddy games available in theaters on demand digital dvd. Right now the insane. Obstacle course that includes electric shocks and beer-chugging. Did you pick that one up when you when you showed up on the set of holy moly recently. Did that one from josh. No no. I didn't actually s i. I you know i scrub the internet. I found some ridiculous stuff we do. We got ideas and we sort of you know molded them to the way we needed him to play out in the movie. But yeah i just wanted to have this and that actually does come from something that that's a different group of buddies that i met out here in. La who do this thing called trae sambra's and they did this giant obstacle course that includes all kinds of crazy stuff. And that's sorta were. That idea came from but we just kind of made different version of it for for the movie. Yeah you know this. Is you know this is the thing about. This is that is crazy as it sounds. It is truly something we all look forward to your guys all over the world. Do stuff like this Maybe not this extreme. But you know. I think it's important to keep that. Kim alive inside of you you know and i in mine is alive and kickin believe me and i just i. I love to sort of first of all. See my boy. I i love these guys and you know we just kind of immediately. Rip back to our sixteen-year-old cells and they get together and fun. And i think that's okay. It's fun it's just a tennessee one. It's a laugh riot man. The whole thing dotty games. I think it's a good time for it to you. Know there's there's there's nothing but a good time here. And i think that you know right now is a great time for this movie. Being come down we just wanna get lost and just have fun and forget about all all you know real world stuff. I mean i had jared goff on last week quarterback the rams and easing fantasy league with all his buddies from back in the day. Just like you know. I mean i guess it's version of buddy games in a way. Josh is that he said even though he's not paying terrible attention to it but he has a friend who is as general manager. The loser of the league has got to do something totally crazy year in year out. Two years ago it was. The loser of the league had to go fly nome alaska for day and and last year it was. What was it the barstool. Chris has some sort of a fight. Every rough and rowdy rough and rowdy data go fight in the barstool rough and rowdy at the super bowl. Like that's what they had to do. That's what what do you need to fight like a fistfight. Yes like boxing. Yeah like actually get in a ring and a half to get get an actual fistfight competition with somebody because you lost a fantasy football league. I mean people do this sort of stuff all the time and it's fun it's fun to see man you know i agree and i love that. Those are those are my guys right there. i bet. So how did you show up on set of holy moly it. I honestly like i was watching that. I watched it with my kids. We love it. The whole family does and then just seeing you there. I think was zach. Ephron was in the crowd to was. How did you wind up there. So my buddy tanner Was competing in it and and you know. They've got a similar group of buddies kind of like mine where they're very tight now. Kind of hangouts right. And she was on the show and they said dude. You've gotta come in watch you gotta come on counters on holy moly. I went out there. And and i had no idea. They were going to put me on air like they. They knew that us common. I guess michael like wait. I'm sure here to support. But you know being the pushover. That i am. I agreed to do next thing on on sitting next to rob riggle booth larry's evacuate really fun time. It was again like it kind of is the same without the komodo dragon. But it's a similar sensibility where it's just like. Let's all get together and do something. That's really stupid but it's fun and there's a certain camaraderie to absolutely absolutely. I'm all for it and i don't even apologize for. Its part of part of you know when you grew up in north dakota you gotta you gotta be imaginative and this is. I think where we got these. These sick twisted sense of humors is just you know out of sheer boredom and in on a cold front of north dakota in the middle of winter before i let you go. You think you. Vikings still have a shot this year. What do you think what do you think. I'm not that confident you know they. They have games. Play well I think cousins He's passable quarterback if that's the right term. I don't think he's the kind of guy that is going to take him over the top No fence is his abilities. Because he's a good quarterback. Obviously i just wish we had somebody like rogers or mahomes but those guys aren't exactly a dime a dozen. No dalvin cook is a that version at running back. I think i think you've got yourself a superstar. Would we definitely up cowboy also lost a lot of talent last year. I think that that hurt us. Well lost a lot of guys on the d. Line right owens a little beat up. your picked up some good players but just doesn't feel like we have enough to really do damage. Justin jefferson and cooked together. I think for years to come. You got i mean. There's there's something there and your cousins is the right triggerman. Then maybe you can make some run here. I mean four and six. It's entirely possible. They could make up south. I love zimmer. I do like the team. I don't even dislike cousins. I just right. I just have not been able to buy all the way in There's a kid out of north dakota state. if you've been following him at all that trailer lance tell me about him. Tell me more about him. I have heard of him and his name. He was a true fresh weight. No use a redshirt freshman. Last year played Played player that. You wanna walter payton award when jerry rice award first guy ever to do that. I think i didn't have twenty some touchdowns zero interceptions as a really nice arm and can move and and he can improvise. That's a guy that i think they need to watch for. As is you know as much as i'd love to get a guy like trevor lawrence. He's going to go to the jets. Probably it is Josh and everybody needs to back off from trevor. because he's the jets the jets property. You don't go ten and then dropped the ball this close to getting him. That's not happening man no way you know. He does have another year of bite your tongue. I'm selling your movie for you. Come on hey listen. I would like to see. Trevor lawrence go do like jets and i think that they need a guy like that to sort of come on seriously in new york city. Don't you think he would be dynamite in new york city. Don't you think they do right. What what what happened with the kid out of usc. What's his name Darnold i don't know the jets broken out. They broke him into brother. Can't it doesn't matter. What the quarterback you got the right guys around just sorta coach him up to no matter how good they are right and i think they got to get that right. That is correct. I think they will. I think you know the best of the best will raise their hands and say i want shot here so trevor lawrence. I think that will attract the right kind of people to come in. You know groom him right. But if not Maybe the young man that your town right now could be a quality. A few will silver medal or bronze medal. I don't know but know. I wanted to go to the vikings i want. I want three lancet device. He's from minnesota to well. Then that would be somebody that they got a trade to go get. Because i don't think you're going to be closer on our own. Maybe he'll drop. I don't know that would be a bad one. But what a great choice. The problem the vikings are always good enough with number. Get a great draft. They never get like that. Super high draft pick. So we're always right. There were kind of middle upper pack And then we haven't ever that. I can remember grabbed the court like a like a young quarterback that we've been able to develop. We always get like somebody who's been kicked around a little well You know there's still more football to be played. Maybe you've got a a a run in here. And i look forward to everybody checking out buddy games in theaters on demand digital dvd. Right now Josh congrats on. It's a fun movie brother and olivia munns in it as well. A lot of a lot of fun moments and just have a good time watching the director and writing. Debut of josh. Thanks for the call. Thanks to the always you know that. Have a great holiday. Have a great holiday. That's josh right back actor. Josh duhamel at josh do mel on both twitter instagram right. Here on the rich eisen show. Let's take a break right now when we come back juda maccabi of fantasy football players. He's gone way past the hanukkah. Eight days of oil. Burning is a christian. Mccaffrey mike davis and your phone calls to wrap up. Everyone is eagles hall of fame quarterback ron towards ski. And i am so excited. That the hottest new podcast for the nfl and gaming welcomed the jaws mix between me roj dorsey and some of the most famous names in sports music and entertainment as i give you my expert analysis and predictions of each and every nfl game so far this season. My predictions are over fifty five percent correct against the threat at number folks and over sixty seven percent picking winners straight up. You do not want to miss out on this podcast. 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Tv drop in watch free save by the bell bay sides back people starting today right here on peacock saved by the bell and original series brought to you by a friends at peacock peacock original backward new students new stories in some very familiar faces start streaming saved by the bell was berkeley. Mario lopez go. Mr belding play by john patrick higgins right from america says yep. He's so funny. He is certainly of john michael higgins. Pardon me john. Michael yeah he is so damn funny in all of the yes. Christopher guest movies. Best in show and also pitch perfect with elizabeth banks. He's calling all the pitch perfect competitions. He is so damn funny. He is so very funny. You ever seen them. In the break-up. With vince vaughn and jennifer. Not now the aniston brother jennifer aniston's brother. Your backyard are radio network okay. We got one segment before we go into our thanksgiving weekend right. I'll be on. Nfl game day morning tomorrow at ten a. m. eastern time. We're taking off on the show tomorrow and friday and then we'll be back on monday after a full weekend of football but let's empty the phone banks before we go into our weekend. Let us go to jeff in detroit's been holding on for two plus hours and we always thankful for his friendship. What's up jeff. Hey what's going on what's going on. Nothing much just was wondering I'm thankful for matt staff. Because when you got a quarterback like that you'd never out of the game he'll get you down the field sixty seconds or less with no problem and i had a quick question for this small thing. Bomb quarterback with one rain means another. And we'll get it folks. Russell wilson allies drew carey. The jeff doing his usual drill troy right now Who's gonna do it. I whoever retires. I my gosh more no no. He's needs the second one. So i know they're getting into the halls. 'cause i gotcha ibis aaron rodgers. Why far didn't get too. Yeah but people don't think farms the greatest of all time i. There's a lot of packer fans think. Aaron rodgers is better than tom. Brady are on the same level as tom brady. Six to one get one second rings. Not going to put anybody on the level of tom brady. It's just that tom's got sex. He's been a nine. that can touch him. I gotta sit here and talk about brees a little bit. I mean he's got every record in the books every single record in the books he gets a second one that would be significant. Certainly if he walks off this'll be a walk off this it'd be like l. way. This would be like strand. The boss lewis. That'd be amazing. What do you think jeff I honestly believe is like you could almost go here. 'cause there's good as and heart disease. If he got that second rain. I mean it because people are always say. He's the most talented bright relying on. You guys wanna give. It really needs you guys you take care. It's jeff in detroit. Jeff from detroit. I think people think russell got the second one anyway if you just give it the if he was allowed to hand the ball off i'm serious man. He had come on. I'm serious if he hands off they're done you know who we were there. What if he audible. Is it ever come out. He's definitely it'll be blades. Gerald bevo for this. But what if ross audible to that play Let's go to jason in miami's been hanging on for an hour. It's up jason rich rich. How you guys doing. And i was doing good. Just call to chop it up with you. Listen i hear you tj. i gonna. i'm gonna. I wanna be part of the show part of the crew. Okay i called you a couple of weeks and especially being on wednesdays after car brand. I love his so you know maybe i. I'll give you a call every wednesday. We chopped up. Can even picture of ourselves put me on the banner wattage as yet thing i got a couple of give you my what i'm thankful for but i got to turkey's i wanna get out. I the first turkey. Is we all know the owner of the dallas cowboys hall of fame. And we love her right. We love him but the general manager he didn't get an zero. Gm right of the year for that guy. Okay second turkey of the year number four in your program number one in your heart. The mvp of the big ten nineteen eighty six. You know where. I'm going around jason Classroom from michigan class. Ninety two. i gotta say that every time you so you know this with you. If you're in michigan class of ninety two. I'll have to call time out on you on that one. So what else you got all right so As far as i wanna give thanks You know there's a lot of people sports fans who have never seen their team championship. This people cubs fans and red sox fans some of them have lived and died and not seeing a championship. You born after nineteen seventy two know you haven't seen the dolphins the lions etcetera etcetera. I'm not gonna say what happened in nineteen sixty nine so me. I'm just grateful to be able to have the my teams when cowboys and seventy seven. That's really went on. I became a fan when they beat the broncos And then the nineties cowboys. And then obviously in ninety eight you know with with with wolverines pulling that out that was one of the yes absolutely steph It's a shame that we had to share that. I tell me about that. i've already. I've already been on a record for that. Thanks for the call. Jason direct messages a photograph. And we'll we'll get you suited up later. Jeff Mark in iowa. What's going on. How have you been mark rich. Eisen how I I just wanna call and offer. My things. And i hesitated at first. But i thought now. This is the one of the main reasons. I am calling to give you things. It's been a rough year for a lot of people. And i'm not gonna pretend to speak for everybody but no gain time when i'm about to say i'm sure is the fact that many more people than myself you know. It's been a crazy year. I fought the. Kobe went through that but she's been lost. My my only son and in july. I am so sorry mark a lot. The job that i do but i find myself always tuning in and it's for several reasons and one is. Is that the preparation the content. The humor sincerity the the true feeling that i get like i could just sit down with you guys and it would be just like man. I haven't seen for a couple of weeks. I think it just makes you feel part of it and it has helped me tremendously that. You folks enrich the things that you do and how you put things to give the people you bring together to make this happen and for folks like me that tune in on a daily basis it. There's so many things go with feeling it Humor the sincerity. Leka said i. I'm just very appreciative. How you oh my gosh mike. Stone says and and let's get through twenty twenty together and their mark yes or no You are part of this show. We're greatly appreciate and you're such a part of the show that my guys would forget to include you in the pizza order okay. So that's how that's how you're locked in. Okay appreciate that. That's how they show love here. That's how the show love mark. Thanks again happy has good thanksgiving as you possibly can have. An i appreciate that. Take care bro. i say that along. We greatly appreciate all of our fans. Mark a phrase of But he's gonna go through anyway. I looked down at the bottom of our call sheet. And i see somebody who i know who she is. I know who she is. And i show you. I know she lurks and weekend. Is i understand what we can normally would be lives in los angeles. You're on the rich eisen show. How are you liz. What's up liz. Hey rich first time. you're not no no. i'm. I'm wondering how we're supposed to celebrate thanksgiving this year without the ohio state michigan game. It's been played that the saturday after thanksgiving two thousand ten and here we are without it so you know i'm kinda lost of what to do but at the end of the day this has to be good news for you right with with the game not being played until december twelfth. That's gonna allow you to enjoy thanksgiving this year. I think you know since you're not going to be experiencing that dark abyss of anxiety. Hope diety. that's a good name. john lewis. We have two minutes left. What else you got cooking. Talk that time i did. I didn't know what the date change would drag out the feeling of inevitable dread or if it's just a relief these all rhetorical questions right. I mean you. You want me to answer them. Is that what you want me to do or just you. You can do what you deserve a chase to cut to being at these next two weeks. Go ahead don. What does the all god. This is the graphic you show holy. Shit i'm working. I'm working blue here. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

54:59 min | 2 years ago

ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis

"Whoa. Indeed, the dodgers thing last night. Yes. What why did they give you wanna talk about the dodge meal. Chuck. Chuckle mill have a gallon of milk. Gala man is healthy. That's a half young. Yes. Figure that's unimportant. Why why you'd have this stupid? This is the do what is gift or hate brought to give. Bunch of. Terry. Yeah. Machado hall. Healthy in muscles, so yes can wake up in the morning komo's the Desi muscles, older moose, moose, Golos, moose, colorful. Mangano say, say Nestle in s body hall because. Yeah, it's a knockoff. Nestle. Make yourself a chocolate. Chuckle meal. I'm very confused with the car. Just going to let the milk just sit there. Traitor dodgers last night, at least thirteen innings. They get it from Cody Bellinger in where it felt like no one has ever gonna score again, thirty two strikeouts dodgers had seventeen of the thirty two. They went through their entire bullpen more or less. The get it done. Cody Bellinger gets the big knock to win the game era has the Cy Lansing back at Machado would second Dow three to swing a base field. Third yell, it's really it is not. Poli bell into looks at for the dodgers, the teeth, inning. Huge for him because he was one for his last million if he was ever get hit again, I know it was one of those deals where even when he was up to bat and you're sitting there, you're looking at and he's swinging for the fences. And you know one of those swings down to his knee, and I'm sitting here going to myself do seriously, like, won't you just in? I think they shifted everybody over at that time of shift against him. They did again, and I'm sitting there saying, just hit the ball over there, hit it in in virtually travel. Chato brought it home yet. Travis as resident baseball aficionado now for my amateur is it didn't look. You meant to do it? No. Did he look to do it but both hit city got him every he got, he got the hit in to left field earlier in the game, but there's two things happening here. Number one, do I think he was trying to turn into Tony Gwynn all of a sudden. I don't. I don't think that all of a sudden he went up there with a totally different approach that being said, when you've been going through the spell the way that he did when you can't hit anything, any contact at all, even if it's an advert can kind of, okay, I'm okay. Every known when he goes in there in the thirteenth. I think he had much he didn't have a different approach, but he had a little bit of a different mindset of I can. I can get a hit. This is not. I'm not going to never get a hit again in baseball. You go for five. It's okay. You get into the eight, ten twelve. It feels like you're never gonna get a hit again. And when he got that hit, it kind of broke the spell and I don't think he was trying to get a single. I think it was trying to hit it into the parking lot, but. I think he was trying to just make contact in bring home Chato. However, that was, I don't think I think he realized after those first couple pitches in a believe they got in front of him at that point, he relies, okay. I need to just advanced dude, instead of going to strike out on me, hit a home, run anywhere to what I've been saying for the longest is triple drill. Just bring him home. Just redid I book result is the same. He got the guys in and he's going to get all the credit. He made the great diving catch a couple of innings earlier, which I felt like it would've kept a run off the board. I remember he didn't start. Didn't start? No, he came in maybe once again, let's alty. Perhaps maybe kershaw's may salty when he came in game two Bellenger golden boy from season doesn't start. This big game maybe comes in little bit more focus. The four day he came in for Hernandez. It was one of those KiKi starting center. He went in in right left and then eventually ends up right field Bellinger is he's the guy that got the hit. He's the guy that made the catch. So all the attention is going to go to him fact of the matter is dodger bullpen is is probably the biggest story of the night that the biggest story to series Richhill was really good. Last night gave up one bias Majeida Ferguson, Madsen, Janssen wood floor areas. All of them came in not a single run that that's eight guys. I just mentioned. They had eight different guys. Go out there. Nobody gave Notre, isn't it? Like twenty. Some endings not fantastic, hasn't given up a run. I don't think game one. Alex would got touched up in number to test him real good. US didn't want to bring it up. What happens? What happens and goes to the minds of the baseball player basis loaded. Nobody out what happens. How come you can't advan you can't what question what happens. So it depends on who's up done this now. Three times. I guess if if you come up with the basis loaded, nobody out Yeesh not be looking to hit a Homer. You should be looking to hit the ball hard somewhere. Just barrel it and hit the ball. But again, the dodger players have shown that they're going up there looking to hit a home, run strike out seventeen times. So shouldn't we call time out. Regroup. I'm out time out time. Walk out to the battery and get to the battery. You know how to do the pitcher. They should allow you to go to the batter, you can't if you want it walk over there you go. Swing for the fences. We got. Just remind. Much opened up a little sleeve quarterback to play play. I'm serious though. Right? Because I didn't get while we load to basis, and we got to Oregon plan and we're moving in his grooving, stadiums, rocket, and everybody gotta hit a great, and then we got a airbag try to hit a grand slam. And it's fair every single time because the dodgers in this situation obviously was not great game five today Kershaw will be pitching. He is eight with the four point, two, six era in twenty one starts not. All in the playoffs. He's this year. He has a three point, two, seven. ERA in it. If you look at where he's at three point, two, seven ER is not great. It's not bad. It's ok around the middle. The offense aside a plate needs to continue to help him. So he could get comfortable in terms of pitching. You can't go out there with her Shaw in leave guys on base with no outs. Guile guy out there load the basis, no out, give fan and all of a sudden he's back out there trying to deal because you couldn't bring people l. z. said it. I don't know if few seconds ago there's gonna be runs today because because both teams went deep into their bullpen for the second game in a row, both these teams have really for the whole series that actually Buehler's the one guy that gave him seven. The dodgers didn't have to print a bunch of Penn guys in game three, they lost, but the brewers have been in their pen early one kind of normally in game two and then super early than game three and four that Penn is lights out. It's been. It's been as good as advertise. I think the dodgers are going to score some runs today just because they're gassed. Absolutely. And with coming in with momentum, you know, when you see a guy struggle as much as Cody has and for those who have been around since last season, they saw what he went through in the in the CS the World Series as well. And then he comes into this postseason not doing particularly well. So to see him have it big moments, got to be a moment which you get fired up and shut out to Keith Hernandez by the way. Knowledge ING that maybe he misspoke when he's talked about the dodger fans and he e enthusiasm disorder? Yes. But he apologize, you know, Malia different ways to make sure that he didn't lose us. It was about as slickly as you can do that because it was funny. Yeah, and it was sincere and it was exactly the right tone. I, but he he didn't do much. He didn't. He didn't do much. Except for clean up that mess. Yeah, because if he doesn't apologize and you struck out seventeen times. Guys, you know what. Speaking. It was a taffy from awhile ago. I'm trying to get my mouth smack in my ear. Put it down, call happy. We'll speak any d, you know, kind of makes you think of hump day a little bit in, you know, we missed a home day last week, our last hour. He doesn't wanna double hotel. Should we double home turn on a double home. Sometimes he's daddy. Don't do it for. That's why we are celebrating hope. They Wednesday and giving away l. AFC prize pack every hour hour we didn't. We forgot we had a Lavery Steph. Okay. That's okay. That's why we double homey. And guess what this includes. What. Of how do you get giveaway stuff. We show the people showing. We got game tickets to Elliott's game tickets. Were this Sunday, make sure we got to hats. We got to scarves, and we also have a twenty five dollar fields l. league gif of ours. We'll say Vancouver Vancouver marijuana's legal in Los Angeles, right. Where we live. That's right. Now keep showing you might have. How do I win such prize such seventh caller to tell me there's a member of the morning show seven, ten? How's that to say? It would give it away to still be Evan double hoping to tell us which member of the member show is immature inside. That doesn't think Machado Steph know someone to cover next segment. If you didn't hear now who can be visit, Chris, is it off. You don't know who it is. They'll give us a call eight seven. Seven was rest number three seventy seven seventeen. Yes. Yeah. Rebel eight seven seven seven. Danny ESPN LA the seven and tip call at tell us who's in Machado side, who's on his win tickets? You better call now because it's going to be giveaway here in the next segment because Manny Machado stomped audit yesterday could be lady. Mary people were upset, benches cleared. We'll get into it next. This is good stuff right here. No, we're giving away l. AFC prize packages, caller number, seven, and ten. The question was rise. What do they need to know. Well, which member of the morning show sticking up from Chato was it was it ought, hey, let's find out. Let's go to Inglewood and Raina those numbers morning. How are you. Good morning. I'm great. So have you talked to you is I listen every morning. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. So what's the answer to the question? Who is team Machado in this situation? Now, I gotta be my boy. He he's a straight out there like he. You know, you gotta you gotta do what you gotta do the win, not trying to hurt somebody, but he's going full for full-throttled, not thinking about dragging picking up being nice gotta, get it done. The bag. Keep trying to tell them. Reynoso all push the envelope. This is Roger Rina's Raja. So he taken to the game. Picking my husband, we're big. And and I, he was off today and had to go to work. So it's like a bummer a David. Now we're going to the game. Congratulations. Congratulations. Thank you so much before. Call me go. Keep listening Raina every morning. Like you said, I read the price for right there and she she, she has your cockamamie theory. Do what happened at first base. Up to so made Machado. Many. Yeah, silly goofy. No-one no-one here with us. Late in the game, man, Machado, it's a ground ball. He gets thrown out at first base, hey, hey, sues Aguilar the first baseman for the brewers kind of lingers on the bag a little bit longer than you normally would see and Machado kicked him with his left foot afterwards, Christian yelich called maturity player. A couple of other brewers players said that Travis Shaw said that was dirty play. Machado was asked what he thought about their comments. After the game show said it was a play, yelich dirty play by dirty player. Wonder what your sponsored b to those. Baseball, go out there, try to win for my team. So. Commerce through their coming. So nothing about that. I mean, you saw the replay pilot. So this one bag trying to get over him Kadish. That's very, that's thirty. I'm and I don't know which one. Caller which want. It's what I would call it. He had plenty of bag. He hit the bag with his right foot there. There was plenty of room to just take the natural normal obvious step with the left which is beyond the bag over the bag. And instead he dragged it like he was trying to get to feed out in the corner, watched video multiple times. I've slowed it now a paused it. I've done a lot of different things in terms of trying to analyze breakdown your theory that is dirty. He couldn't just step over because his he'll was up in if he stepped over him, eat a trip on it. That's my theory. That's as crazy as here's Dave Roberts theory, I think it was one of those things where thank Aggie had his foot on first base and didn't give Manny a whole lot of room on the back. I didn't see the replay so he stepped on his foot. And I think that's what many was talking about, but. We all worked it out. The key phrase in that is I didn't see. See how no dog, but my boy says what happened? I believe. Supposed to do that? Yes, from me sore from afford, it didn't look like he did anything wrong here here. Two things I know for sure. Just I know these in my bones to be true. That's what a manager says about when his guy when he does something like that. That's what you do, and that's what you're supposed to do. You have your guys back? You say, I didn't see it. So you have the plausible deniability if in fact it comes up later you can say, oh, all right. That's what say. And number two, if a brewer player did something similar to say, just in Turner, he would want that guy's head on a status. It would be on, but you know, we've got gotta wait now to see what Joe Torry decided to do on terms of punishment. Hopefully he's fair, but hands down fine. Doesn't do something way over to then there's no chance he suspense. Hopefully you can't do that because in the end it's going to be a problem because it used to be our manager. Right. And they're not gonna suspension. Worthing. Nothing really happened other than he clipped him. So it could. It could be an accumulation of things because as joking, he's been repeatedly sort of warn fine punish to at second base for slide for suspect behavior. What slides? No man that man. He's both like waterslide heading down the his, his sign. That's the way we teach our guys the slide doing spring training. You teach guys to slide base en RAB, the shortstop around waste. Yes, that's the same. The same game was do grabbed him at, oh, it was new, are an auto and it was somebody who are not in a dodger player. We kissed in peak. Yeah. After attempted stolen base grabbed him and hugged him, shortstop. Third base c, we teach our guys all sorts of tricks, whatever, whatever it takes to win. Beep, they won at look, they want they won. And now of a sudden the series is a three-game series best to three dodgers have to go to Milwaukee. This isn't important game for Kershaw. It's important game for the dodgers. This is career defining game for him. Yeah, it's saying next segment about this. Gershom ignoring done over this three times. But we're not talking about it. We just mentioned me to bring it up for Kershaw, doesn't exist Kershaw. Next segment Kershaw is the biggest start of his career coming up. We'll get he's going to. He's going to have to do it on air, some less, some, some lesser bullpen help. I mean, we're talking about they went through eight guys last night, all of them, Alex wood with a lot of work. That's a lot of guys. Got a lot. We'll just breathe. Just breathe. Silverback a healthy. I guess we. When they get off rails like that, that's we just got the next. Have you had. Sali's Travis with us nor them. It really works. Chuck. Clayton Kershaw start of his career later today. Anything to get out. Like, oh forty, five works. Every time we. Imagine. Battles p. That's what I'm talking about. How. From my people. Yeah. You know who this is? Yes, of course. He knows Bob Morley z.. We don't. Here's the week now. Why. Going to be all matter of fact, just hanging out on the street corner, watch on the street corner. You doing it now anyway. So it's not. It's not a whole foods y'all coming back, Travis. You have a second black car where you're gonna go with this second black card who good question roscoe's now you can do. Yeah, but you don't need a black. About a Disneyland. Now you can go to my hair smile about some shea butter. I don't think I need to churches. Amen. My FOX hills mall. Okay, bad getting killed. We want to come into. So both at the same time that anymore. That's what I say. Yeah, city guys over there, so no redone to heal. Travis Kershaw mall, WalMart at following, or he can go to or he can go to any Martin Luther King boulevard. And that's here. Got me here. I'm gay you one. One of my bosses back at ESPN, Greg, God love dip. He's in New York City. He takes all of the group Dixie. Kohl's. He goes up with Martin Luther King boulevard, Balkam ex. He was. He was in Harlem because they interstate hit. He goes there everywhere. Say, every who is. Much of people, but the way he grew texting, we're, we're going. Everywhere. I'm on the corner of Martin Luther King boulevard and Malcolm x. what should I do? How do I get out? Blah, blah, blah. He goes there everywhere, but he didn't continue to. Thing. I remember years ago when kenley Jansen was not guy, love free. MO, remove Priebus deep, no from, but but premium to, here's the deal pre my love listening to him and he calls because he knows what he's talking about Hayes. He's not just throwing stuff up against the wall and stick always not. Pays attention. Call here that don't pay attention. He actually watches the game. Or some of these guys weren't gonna show. Producers. Rundown. Kershaw Kershaw has what I didn't. We didn't say Ziggy Marley birthday. Burke's vitiligo fity thanks. He's fifty fifty. His birthday is brought to you by Jaguar, Land Rover, to where beach, seventy three towards the Land Rover beach dot com. Land Rover, above and beyond. Cy youngs all star games, MVP's playoff wins. Here's their pitch in the World Series. Last year. I don't know if Clinton Kershaw has ever gone out to the mound in a bigger game than the one that goes to this avenue. I think that this is because. He's been good at times in the postseason he he's even been great. He was against Lanta. He was great. We've seen it before, but key. The numbers that you read earlier talking about a guy that this'll be twenty-second start in the postseason. He's eight with an ER, a four and a quarter. Is that good? That's not good. And this is the one of the best pitchers in the history of baseball talking about. Let's be fair with him though. The history. Yes, we get the four ERA but talk about what he's done. This postseason he got lit up the last. But he pitched well before that when he went eight innings against the different team. I understand that the schedule. Yeah. Okay. Look. His PR a this postseason is a little bit different, not great, not Babic, sorta in the middle, and my whole point is focused in on where we are now, not so much what he did in the past. A lot of guys struggle in the past. Just look at last night Cody Bellinger he was two for twenty something, and then he got the big hit. Now all of a sudden he's on the front page of the newspaper. I mean, that's just how these things go. Is it just baseball? All true. The difference is, is that Clinton Kershaw isn't a member of this team. He is the team. The Clayton Kershaw makes the most money. Clayton Kershaw is the most famous player. He's the most accomplished players. The most decorated player. They're the reason you have a player like Kershaw on your team is not to be the reds in July, it's to beat your opponent in the National League championship series. It's to beat your opponent in the World Series, especially if that team is down by four runs or that team is down by three runs or it's a two two series. And this is your last game and your ballpark before you gotta go back on. The road. These are the games that you're paid to win. These are the games that you're that you're here to win. These are the games that Madison Bumgarner would win. These are the games that Andy Pettitte would win. These are the games that the best pitchers that we think of as October, let Josh Beckett, who's not a legendary great pitcher pitch great moments. Clayton Kershaw has been average in these moments. And the thinness really, personally, though key is the fact that he's considering opting out of his contract. Do you really want your last appearance at dodgers stadium to be an AOL? Because there's a good chance you opt out. Some crazy team say, hey, found two billion dollars, and we're not going to match that you're gonna be gone. Do you want your legacy to end with a big fat l. when the team needed you most, or would you rather be in a position of leverage where you can say when my team needed me most, I gave them seven or eight strong to hit endings. We won that game. That's what can bring back to the dodgers or that's what I can bring to my next franchise. If I choose to go somewhere else, I think obviously for him, he wants to go out with a bang if that's where bang bang with a. A with whatever ten strikeouts, eight innings, three hits what he wants to do the right thing by the dodgers, but the dodgers also gotta figure out if he fits into their long-term pans us as fans in encounter potatoes. We made see different than the way Vasie because is there a number two because you obviously want Beulah to be your ace or whatever the case or reu- whomever is he worth whatever money he's going to be paid to be your two or your three, what the dodgers going to do. They get. He got sixty left on the books thereabouts. You give him another two years. You extend it a little bit. You drop that number overall down in the twenties in everybody's happy. But what if you can get out of it from altogether? In other words, instead replacing. You can replay healthy and you got Walker builder and you still review. That's a pretty good rotation. That's a damn good rotation. Let's look at it like this. If there is healthiest the dodgers last night Richhill went out there pitched five innings. He struck out six guys. Pedro bias pitched one inning. He struck out two guys. Caleb Ferguson didn't get any Cantu. Migrated didn't get any, but the only combined to get two outs total. No strikeouts. Matt's in third, a strikeout kenley Jansen two innings to strike outs would one inning. One strikeout Floro one inning. Two strikeouts in early had a strikeout in one inning. In other words, these guys are going out there and they're lighting guys up. There lighten guys up. This is my issue with Kershaw, it's that he doesn't have the ability to light a guy up anymore. He's got a pitches way through it. And if he gets a little wobbly, help Grondahl in game one, then the whole thing kind of comes apart. He, I don't know if you can extend the guy or. Or have your guy in these big moments guy that needs everything to go right to have you have a moment. It's like a QB who needs great, Blackie great running game averagely half great. Hey. In order for him to execute anything slightly off. Annella son was like on, he's you're just a guy, the holy full. I know. So I mean, none of them are in the same category and conversation as Tom Brady and Rogers. MS reason, Creighton Kershaw is supposed to be the Tom Brady Ann Rogers for the dodgers, and he's been more like. What would you say? What is this for him? It's been more like Peyton Manning. Would you say? Yeah, that's that's a good comparison. What is this for his far as his year? This is his can tell you right now. This eleven th year in the league. Oh. Changed that chain. He's young. He just get started. Eleven eleven years in the league you you should be cooking. Travis was getting hit me what's sixteenth years. So you know, I was gonna say, well, he's older but now eleven years. You should still be cook. His older for pitcher and pitching years is still under I. It's not. It's not as birth certificate as much as it is this number. He's thrown twenty one hundred innings in his career and regular season, so you tack on. Let's see. So that's twenty one hundred plus another innings. Another one hundred thirty three. So he's thrown almost twenty three hundred innings in his career. I mean, that's that's. Yeah. And those miles from may April may through September. There's nobody that's been better at it ever. Nobody fill out a mouse could be from October one till whenever it ends. There's a lot of guys that. Band. So one, the funerals we always play so hard to say goodbye. Now that one, not that one, but when I go marching. Yeah, yeah, that when we might have to play that one one of them because. That's a lot. One Mississippi goes out if he goes out any pitches a gem and we win the game for me. Fan's perspective. I'm feeling better by him coming back. But if he goes out lazing egg, we got to, you know, he's been chased in the fourth. I'm not feeling good about him cut. It's not. It's not. It's not about him coming back Zoli on the contract. Yeah, it's about, but he's going to opt out. Might. What people don't seem to understand when they start talking about this opt-out stuff helped me. You can't opt out if you don't have any takers. Everybody's gonna feel the same way about you. If you go out there and you landing egg, nobody's going to be stupid enough to give you a hundred and something million dollars interject real fast with your name Marino because it wasn't the pool. Yes, yes. The was the expiration date on his career as a great player had passed. He still a good player, but the team was the time for him to have been the best player in the league which he was for the better part of ten years. It was long and every team in baseball knew it except for orange every team. Okay. I know you're angel. But, but they extended him too long if they would have given him a four year deal fine, but they gave him too much. So you're looking at the back end of it that the stuck with for probably another three years or so, he's, he's got three more years and he's he's put seven in the books, and one of them was good one. It extended to ten years this morning's fall. But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You're saying there's going to be no buyers. My point is there might not be a fist fight to get him, but it only takes one guy with more money than sense, and a deal go, ask, Albert angel fan. Go ask, Josh Hamilton, angel fan, the Twitter, your age. Oh, fan, telling me not to look at guys on Twitter and you're doing. They told me. Jon Gruden pass lots on tanking. He probably should very successful was keys to love doing it on his own. That's coming up next we. This is one of them song too. Wanna what songs just saw one funeral songs, man. This one themselves me out. This is Linda. We supposed to be romantic. So for some reason, it sounds like you have it. One of the wings of love right. All that. I feel like a fade in fade out like the guy to suit his family. We also could play this song as we're showing the highlights from Kershaw in slow MO as he's on the mound and he's delivering the ball, I hope so. One lasting moment at the end of the. What are you talking about. His head whip around has relief pitcher hits. I feel like the final shot is a fade to him with like nineteen fifty to two thousand eighteen. After Kershaw goes eight innings on in in in gives up four hits in strikes out nine. I mean, he's walking back into the dugout back to. You know what I love about this shot. Kyushu talking about these dogs. It's like a little kid in front of his TV walking for Nando. Yeah, I know you got the dodgers shirt on your real thin and dig it. I, I, I'm I have a real fan indeed top for keys to love. All right. Here's the first question. Why is he thinks we need more time without sports on the TV, but damn, this is a great time of the year for sports. What do you do? Think she, first of all, your wife needs to understand what it is in terms of the weekend. If you have kids, you wanna try to you. You should try and spend some time with them not all your time, but that weekend is about sports in that understanding should be there. Maybe she can come to the game to sit down at the bar with you or at home, and you could teach her about the sport and she'll fall in love eventually with the sports and she'll understand why you're doing it. Why you watch so much. That's the way I view my Friday, my Saturday and Sunday. He's not even a question wasn't rated. I think she throwing about weekdays right now. We got Wednesday night. Dodger Lakers. Monday night. Thursday. Night. Football? Yeah. But you could pull it back, get divorced over this stuff, man. You could pull it back some opinion on you. You. Picks. Pull it back some because you don't have to watch every single game. I would help to marriage. You know, there's, there's games on it, you you shouldn't have an interest. You can skip the game against the Sacramento Kings, but you gotta watch the opener against Portland? Yes. Oh, you could skip the the Rams against San Francisco only get one a week. You gotta see the football. I'm saying. I was saying in the middle of the week, and if they're planning to Thursday night games to see San Francisco plan around the course, I guess the question I have is, are you watching the sports because you want to watch the sports or you board or you just don't wanna be around here? To be one or the other because the problem you got because maybe she's sensing that it's not really about the game is about the marriage, and you're using the sports as a way to communicate some things about the state of the relationship. Sometimes get you out of what's not said. Second one a girl I've been pursuing has finally agreed to go on a date for lunch, but now she wants to bring her two year old and my in or not. Yeah, that's fine. It's a lunch date. She has to euro. You have to be able to accept this young lady and everything she's bringing you can't decide to separate the two. I mean at this is her child and she loves a child which I'm assuming she does this. She, it's a child is a part of her in the part of the package first day it doesn't matter doesn't if she had okay or you does she have anybody take care to child is a nanny. Does she have the economics to pay for nanny? She doesn't is two years old. Maybe she's never left that he can't mess with that. Come on a different level though, nannies, different level Emmys economically. She's pretty stable, but I mean, like a babysitter, whatever. I get it, I get the economics. I got the scheduling date the first day. It's date. Do man. I was really, I was really hoping the mysterious was gonna get lost on his way to the studio today. Fair. Ask, he's got his candelabra, it is time and what you do with that knows z.. All right. Crazy. But anyway, he needs to take care of the young lady with the baby and they can go out to us. Know is one thing, mysterious, it hear the question again. Mr. Yaris knows all question, right. So what is mysterious a two year old on a first date. Leave her at home. And by her, I mean the mother because she doesn't realize starting to date off this way is not a way to make relationship last. There's a whole bunch of other lead him when you please the, she doesn't realize that could be problematic when forward. So I say. Choose another car lot before you buy the limit. All right. Like a real freak. Do. Stereo. His lies. Onto the next question. You know, he really feel this. You really feel in that feels authentic is off. I've been to his house a kissed a cougar at the bar last Saturday, but can't track her down now, was I just a snacker. I gotta tracker more intelligently. Jones real quick. With. I would say she is just a. The situation when she probably had a little cocktail little cocktails in you guys are having fun. And at the end of the day, she's gotta go home to her family and you should probably go home news that's got a fairly, you know why? Maybe he's not. He's just out there hanging out maybe. You know, high amongst Cougars let's check for Mason. Not their cougar stuff is is is a little bit much for me. I don't really. Well, the. My friends to issue cusine really at hand. Isn't about whether she intended for this relationship to last, but how exactly are you tracking her down? Because if the kiss was special, she would have already given you the address of our layer. Googlers typically drag their prey back to the lair. You don't have to try. They track you down a lot of cougar experience. Yes. What's the male version of a kuker. Sugar, dan. Here's one from Twitter me and my girl recently broke up because she went through my phone and she saw some things. She didn't like she wants to take a break, but I can't say goodbye because I really love her and I know I messed up. What should I do? Well, many times if you messed up, it doesn't saying, you know. So it depends on how many times you messed up in or you trust might be third down key. It might be third down. You might want to call the time. I want to call the time. She did. She called a timeout regroup, and you know, go back into the film room and figure it, hey, man, you gotta go to your delete deletes and you gotta go to delete folder. Is this one like a serial killer who wants to get caught? You leave a little trail because you're looking for a way out. We'll serial killers. Don't want to be. They just think they get away with everything. So they become real smart mistero go through her phone. Maybe she's a hypocrite. Because if you needed some other things that keep you interested, maybe she's upset in part because she realizes that she too is a little spanky spanky with it. She's using you as leverage to get out of it. Say bay before you walk out, what's the past Cody from. Six, six, nine. And if she says, you can't have it, you got your answer. All right. Last one technology has changed everything. Do you think it's important to see nude photos prior to intimacy in the bedroom. The real questions man ratio the people until you know you're good. Yeah, please don't cancer. Would you need to see a new photo I think is like shopping for a car, their on the lot. They wanna see to picture. I was simply say this and this is my LGBT brothers would be ale, the brothers. Depends what they identify as. Sisters, brothers and sisters, particularly the brothers. Okay. If you're gonna go through all the hassle. You just wanna make sure it's worth it. And that's all I'm going to say about that. Worke I just this is not what I envisioned. Exactly. That's the problem. If you waited too long to get that question answered you end up saying, this is not why envisioned this is why getting the pitches beforehand because important them know what you're working with? Yeah, I understand. But you guys are. Don't put me in this one right now. Key. Remember when I was doing in the pool. Yeah. What pool well show it to you, please? Don't. At least please don't lease exactly. Your knows. No, you're more comfortable with it. Yeah, he sent me a picture of those. We know go out there and get this mask on. If I didn't have a mask, I wouldn't be mysterious, but I know what you look like. You go run up on me. I guess l z. The cover of jaws and everything, but I guess it's not. I've never been in that situation. About it in that environment, candelabra. Actually walk around with candles. That's how you get the hot wax. Thank you. Oh, okay. Candles Elsie, the candelabra. Ministerial meeting. So anyway. Great sports. You're listening to case be in Los Angeles. Los Angeles that was. Going to. More into the sports category at this moment? Never been so happy to talk about Jon Gruden mind, tire life. Yes. He's gone. Poof, who came up and you got a black jacket too. Just realized. For five minutes? No, you had the gray sweatshirt, but I'm focused on the face. You're looking at the long nose. Yeah, that's crazy. 'cause I can only. Knows pensions. Jon gruden. Jon Gruden the following say, go sit down, we need you near that can't be left alone with stereo. Gone Jon Gruden the raiders one. Five. And here's what you. Say about all of this. Notice how I'm making almost no, I contact with you at this point. You see every time looking at the TV here's Jon Gruden after their one and five star. I'll say this aren't taking anything. I hear the hatred out there. Some of the rumors that were taking it to get a first round pick or a higher pick. We're not getting up at four o'clock in the morning to tank it ain't nobody tanking it. It's just a lie. I don't know. He's not taking it. He just can't win. He wants to take it so he could win with his guys, his players, his credit promise you, he's not taking it on purpose. There's no other explanation. It's like that he his team his, he's run his team into the ground. He, they don't trust you. They're tired of him already. So at this point they're just looking to do some things to try to capitalize on whatever they're not taking to the point where they think they're gonna get the number one. Overall, there's no other explanation for trading Khalil Mack. There's no explanation for trading Khalil Mack. That is true except you don't wanna paint. You don't like him person. Remember when I told you when all the way back to the draft notes, he didn't liking the. Yeah, he wasn't a that makes sense. If I see him in the draft, I don't like it, but then they'll send me gets in the league and he turns into what he turned into you can't or you that I still don't like it. He's right there in front of your face? Yes, what I wanna be right. That's what I'm saying. He wants to be right, and the only way he can be right is to bottom this thing out. So significantly that he gets to hydra fix that he gets to put his guys in his system where his general manager way, if it's not him or somebody that he. Hand picks and puts in their his quarterback, his receiver, his punter, his all of it, and the only way to get rid of all of it is to go down to the bottom. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he wants because losing doesn't feel good. And I feel that these Assyrians he's made aren't football decisions, their ego decisions, and there's a conflict between his ego and what you need to do to win and Keyshawn pointed this out repeatedly during his days of John in in Tampa that he gets those two conflicted and that he's not able to set his ego aside long enough. So they continue to win his ego. No matter what happens seems to be take take control of the situation and push the franchise imperil. It happened in Tampa is happening now in Oakland. Yeah. So when you look at it, you say, well, he's gonna tank as he wants. He's pixie was high picks. He was number one pick over all little things. Well, sodas, Cleveland. Is sodas. Buffalo is sort of a whole lot of the teams. The raiders could what if what, if Denver they played Denver again at home? What if. Miller gets hurt case keenum gets hurt such such Canada's need to get hurt. You can just just say it with a full. I. And now all of a sudden you stumble into that victory because one of the things that cars out there cords going to play with Cooper gets healthy. He's going to pay more is Brian is going to play. Marshawn. Lynch is going to play marshawn Lynch is not going to break open to the open field on a sixty yard gain in slide down at the four yard line because he doesn't wanna score because you might win the game. That doesn't. They're not gonna. Do that professional professional athletes don't tank. They don't. They don't. They don't. Athletes might not see here. This is the distinction that I think people have a hard time making. There's a difference between quitting and not trying to win, which I think people think of is tanking, which isn't tanking. Painting is is putting together a team that can't win. I, it's not that you're asking the players, hey, step out of bounds. Hey, drop the ball. Hey, throw an interception that's that's game fixing. That's not game tanking. Game tanking is get rid of my best. Layers, put together a roster is not as good as just about everyone else in the league. Don't play your best play your best players, find ways to make sure that even if my guys play at their very best, it's very unlikely that they're going to win. And that's what he's doing because I don't think Jon Gruden wakes Seattle just be better than him. The medicine. Part of the reason they're better is because clay max bear, they beat Cleveland, it's there. One win of saying be Cleveland. They were in a dogfight in Denver. It's not. It's not fixing. It's not that Jon Gruden wakes up at four o'clock in the morning. And by the way you notice that he patted himself on the back in this whole end up at four o'clock in the morning to do all this. I don't do it to lose. He doesn't wake up. You know. But you know the great thing about that when we were with Dungy we walked in the Bill and it was nine o'clock. Yeah, we left to build and it was three thirty four and you guys want. We want a lot. We we, what a whole. Poor sales, Hort as heart of a horrid ask as he is. We walk into building nine o'clock. We ought to build about three thirty four. You didn't need to be there four o'clock in the morning and. Maybe sleeping in office. These various, whoever that guy GB has name is he comes into office at three thirty four in the morning. That's doing a whole lot of good for him. That's all window-dressing. That's all stupid coach stuff where you fig if I've worked twenty one hours a day and he's only working twenty seven advantage, Steve Kerr's a great example of deer point, Tony Dungy there's a point of diminishing returns. There's a point of having some balance in your life that makes you a better athlete, not just that bleary eyed because I looked at nine hundred hours of film, but Jon Gruden can't help himself. He didn't get up at four AM to say, how can I lose to the Seahawks this week? He wakes up in the morning saying, how can I make sure that everything in this organization is about me and that is a different route to the same end, which is I need to get bad because I need to get my guys. I need to get my credit. It's not. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put together a game plan. We're gonna throw. Eight interceptions it's a bit clemen. Chicago, what they're gonna. He'll at least four. There's about four guys on the block now, Conley corners on the block, the safeties on the block Cooper's on the block, and there's one other I want to say like Donald Penn or something like that. In he's looking certainly trade a lot of guys, salary cap. We leave all sorts of different situations, but you didn't have to tear this team apart. I just didn't have to do it. You didn't have to do it. But one of the problems with a self center sort of narcissist the way that he is is that one when you have all the chips and all the power, no one's empowered to call you out in your s and then to. And that's the problem with is giving him all the credit yet and money. And number two is that scientifically narcissism, your name, cognizant affects your a narcissist here, not and so no, no. See, here you go, you get the mask when we get the mass, please masking. So here you have a case of a a narcissist with all the power. So no one can put him in check and he can't put himself in check because he's not recognizing how decisions are making things worse for him and not better. The only thing that's gonna really change things is that when that stadium gets built into fans don't show up because you can certainly have a stadium that's a quarter would way full of out of time as fly in and out because they're gambling, stuff like that, but successful franchise need a home base. They need people with season tickets. People who are going to be there, whether they're frightened, makes it there on time or not. Whether as a conference there are not and the people in Las Vegas, a town that's been severely hit by this recession back in early two, thousands and into two thousand eight and real estate values plummeted in that in that town money's tight. They're not going to be spending money free nearly. On some team that's not winning dollars really matter. But but but the casinos the casinos of buying up all the tickets, entertainment purposes, it they'll sell season tickets to the fan base, raider fan base out out of state. They'll sell some tickets, some tickets to the fan base in St., but the majority of their tickets and their boxes are going to be sold to the hotels says, grab Jacob from Manhattan beach, real quick, Travis line one. Let's go to Jacob, Jacob. What's up. Gentleman. You got to do a great job. I listen to every morning. I mean, think you tell. You can't be a lay man. It's all day every day. China have fun, so you drive is easy and smooth. When you get to work, you walk into building smile and not walk into building frown ready to go home, or are you a phantom of stereo? Would you hear more. L. d. I need you to taking days off. I listen to you more tune into. Have you just stay tuned in. Tried in other one. Thank you. Check of Eric in Pomona. This. Go do it. All right. What to do. Try Travis. You do man. Thank you. Key cool to LV you little strange man, but. News for you? I'm a lot strange. I'm hoping. I'm home if you won't fool strains for a stranger you now I'm okay. But I thought real quick about the raiders. I feel like the the raider fans really upset because they were so close to being the team two seasons ago. And now they're, you know, far from it. Yeah, mile from it. And the thing is, Eric is trying to warn everybody when he first hired John that it's not going to be an easy transition. Oh, we got groom back. We're going into Super Bowl, but if you like, you see at two years ago, team was fine one year later, they struggle injuries and then a year after that, they're one in five because I made a decision that I'm just dismantled a team in build it the way that I want to build it. That's not what you do because every receiver every offense lineman every running back every d. bag, linebacker defense lineman, keep fit into a scheme. You're not gonna get better than the Mario Cooper. You're not gonna get better than that. You're not gonna get better than Conley. Who's young, who just got out of college, you not getting better than that. This is. What did so well is he took what was here in? Coached it up and instead of saying, oh, this guy doesn't fit what I do this. I need to go get Kirk cousins. Got Jared Goff to play the chargers Linden. Blow that up. Listen, if you. Wanted to blow it up by, but having conversation with Reggie and have a plan, get the job. What in January if you wanted to blow it up, do it before the draft when he's lying about not blowing it up as he's trying to sell us right now, these not taking that. He's not going about this in any way other than trying to blow it up back door, blow it up. You blow it up with a plan in hopes that you can get hit track, control demolition. Yes, to sell it to you is Willie. We're not. He's not trying to sell. He's trying to sell it to raider fans, and that's different than trying to got a got a beach front property in Arizona. You want to buy it.

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The Best of Boomer & Carton

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The Best of Boomer & Carton

"Own Hi there Al Dukes here. It's time for the best of boomer and carton. In this first bit going way back to January ninth, two thousand nine boomer and carton wanted the staff to prove their love for them, so they asked US each to run into a wall for them. And we all did it on the best of boomer and carton the moment of the day, and you didn't do it. Moment of the day and talk about dedication. You've heard the phrase at run through a brick wall free we'll have about the prestige dedication to the boomer and carton Shell CEELO run into the wall like Brandon Jacobs attacking. Go, go go come on, let's go. Okay. I. That's why I got to see. Though he ran into a wall for me. See that shows dedicate loves her show. Yes, I the way. Incarcerated Bob called the newsroom earlier before we did his picks with us. CEELO answered and he goes. Hi. This is Chris Wfan and incarcerated Bob goes you see low right because he goes. I thought I told you to call yourself that. Goes on sorry. CEELO's dressed up like the mascot for the giants today by the way, would any or Al Dukes run into a wall us no way. My. Run into the wall on Sunday mornings, but not hundred percent, yes. Alex you run into a wall for us. I don't think I'm built for that sort of thing. Kate human being that is a very awkward complicated any would run into the wall for us just to prove that you would or no. Here okay. All right, we'll see what happens here. They've said that playing football trying to tackle Brandon Jacobs is like running into a wall at full speed. So CEELO didn't. Our new intern would not do it Beautiful Christina. And Narratives Kaz coming in full speed. Yes, we're going to be leaving. These studios soon go running through the wall because all that stuff coming out of the ceiling again. Don't run into Trey. Only. Traces there? AIRY is now gonNA run into the wall at full speed at he throw yourself like a projectile into that wall like your Brandon Jacobs Ready Gout. He separates his shoulder. What an idiot! Right down. Whereas bombed Ryan. said he'd do it. Drier serious hurt. Excuse, we're what's wrong, buddy. No Shoulder. Learned night. Oh insight to tackle Brandon Jacobs. Hazak you WANNA run. Zach. It'd be a big. All in the wall. You want to. Wait wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. This is. Very this is because brandon. Back. On camera there. Hold on Zach again you can. Go home to wfan Dot Com and click on watch live, and you can check us out of power right now. Brandon Jacobs is healthy and ready to go jack look in the camera one more time ready to go. Full, speed A. Right. Hud Hike. Hike. Okay Chernoff. You Played College Ball Right now. Pick Up. Okay Yeah that imaging your head of someone you hate. Up. That's enough. Just like. Boom. On the air watches out, but. Bob. WanNa, get. Do you WANNA do now. Bob Is going to. Be. We should give it the football. That's a good thing with to star Plaxico bursts wake. Up telling you all. Over this Zach, keep doing it. We had a about Tracy. Tracy wants to run into the wall. No, you should. Hold on one second all right easy tracy. Go to our website wfan.com GONNA. Watch it live you. boomer cartner right. Maybe I can go catcher. Maybe you can. G We're running into the wall because Brandon Jacobs this back. Just. Excuse reuse them. Get you on camera. Tracing Easy Sweetie. Speed Delilah Gaga's. Can Gig if you want. Are you ready trace? Take your shoes off my socks right hot hot. aride very liberating, yes. All Right, see tracing the team player Eddie's a team player. CEELO'S A team player. He's a team player Bob Dwyer. We went to break as we couldn't stop laughing, I'll do. I'll do how. Everyone else get your ass in here then wall. I've been watching the last half hour. All right got. Dukes Scallon camera here as fast as you can. I like you're in Jersey on the playground hundred hike. US. Did it. Hey you did it. He. Falls daddy walks. How US! Everybody, else want to run into the want their. This is the best of boomer and carton as we celebrate our. Anniversary here on the fan. This next piece for the best of boomer and carton is probably my favorite piece of audio ever. It was a six thirty am. UPDATE WITH JERRY RECCO. The date on this one was March twenty twentieth, two thousand seventeen. Craig was getting under Jerry Skin early on Craig had some. What he find a gift cards in his office, and he was dangling them in front of us seeing who was going to earn a gift card for the day five hundred dollar gift card. Well, he started needling. Jerry early on Jerry was annoyed He was claiming Jerry didn't have some stories in his update, so jerry was getting even more annoyed. And then Jerry exploded, turned himself into a seal, begging for Craig's gift cards, and then the amazing Russell Westbrook MVP rant from Jerry recco on the best of boomer and carton. Finally Jerry's update hopefully will bring us the story about Jesus. Gamecocks Jesus you tell me you want him. There's a gofundme page for game. gamecocks Jesus to get to the final four. The story just I! Don't really know the story. On the show right before I walked in here. That's a demerits okay, maybe you come back and seven thirty better. I thought actually I perform. Game. performance. Game. On the show sheet. He wants to go to the final four game. boomer there I didn't pull homer. Told you that was I was not. I was literally listening to twenty two minutes of Robert Kraft before I came in here at. Last update socked. Good you any big fat bloomer! Here's anti bells on the fan and the on how you doing spank. Carton RECCO. Bringing noise. I think Jerry. That envelope there i. mean he did make it all week so for. That's true, very good point and say rare five day week for Jerry, recco but say. To bother. Her yet when he gets a Friday. Maybe that's America base situation attendance. I'm pretty sure you missed a Friday two weeks ago to genetic. How many weeks ago two weeks ago you misplace? So remind I was not awake during the show looking at old villains. And haven't the next day. Care I appreciate it. Thanks enough occasion time why? WHAT'S UP WHEN AL PUTS? A poll up, which frankly was not fair. I well, I. Don't think it was right today. Leading question was which of the three gone angriest right, but he picked three seven right so obviously everyone goes jerry. RECCO Jerry's more airtime than these guys so hang. slings and arrows. Ever Seen Al go come rats on the on the call. Out The even Eddie, said the The irony of this whole thing is the most angry of all of us is Al.. Know that yes, but perception is reality think. Getting beaten up and just fight back once in a while I am perceived as angry and. Anger Issues I can undergrad anger? Up. Tries you back his angry with the intellect. Calling me thirty pay attention to your family dummy check. True L.. Sixty one percent of course. If you, I'm going to embrace it why minimizing the five hundred dollar bonus today. Minimizing. Incentives I work and do my best every time. If. You don't like it. That's matter of fact. If I do win. One of the vacuum and I will give it to Bob Dwyer. Bob Own catering his own I. Started trying to. Win was on. The rules are you cannot give. Yes you can hear. US can't. You're out. You're out I'm out. You can't earn one good then I might earn. What for you? You GotTa go? It would be really great. Burn it. You don't i. Thinking of your children, I think my children were not thinking. You have an opportunity. Right here to take your children. New Back Splash on yesterday's. Dollar. At by the way, take the laser. Pauper! Got Hold on hold on. Let me do this the right way. Okay, since you're, you're kind of dwindling. Cash in front of us. Dangling right. In front of box like reseal so let's do this the right way. During. A. Over here. Money. Cash money. What do you want? Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook. MVP Craig Own. Give me cash. Money money money. I Love Russell Westbrook. He's the MVP. You're the Great Kartini now. Look at me, cash cash. Give me cash. You are. Angry son of venture really are. Party Angry changed ever since he started doing this podcast. By the way chain very successful podcast, but I'm just saying you've totally changed you EGOMANIAC. Contract, that's twenty percent. Spent six twenty with this thing that would be pretty good Of Author Four. Hours GONNA make himself. I was so excited how no one talked over. Thinking of Eddie drops for the future. interrupted. At Al Sorta right in the Sawyer Chelsea performance. In this next piece Brook Lopez, who was on the Brooklyn Nets at the time, came into an interview in around that time we had always mocked the way. Brook Lopez spoke saying that he sounded like the character from silence of the lambs, so when we brought him into an actual interview with them, boomer and carton had him do a reading of silence of the lambs, and I played a woman. On the best of boomer and Carton from November Sixteenth Two Thousand and twelve I know you're a big fan of ours doesn't to the show and people know that you're Stanford kids? So you probably have a little Hollywood yet. Have you ever been in any kind of TV shows movies data? Give it done any acting or now and the acting. Well acting very limited. I did do a Disney twenty twin Zack and cody. Yeah, we like hosted a little marathons. Before we get to I. Ask that Question Brooke is also here a new video game marvel avengers battle for earth, and of course you, you're clearly video game player, and this is available for xbox three sixty connect now. The we you as bad as new platform. On. December fourth just in time for the holidays boom. GonNa put you on the spot. Alright boomers, not a Marvel Guyana Comic Book Guy. Do you know the of the vendors and I'm not talking about the movie either I would be captain America have been America's one. Four, four two four to. Come on baby iron man's through the big three. Okay, everyone knows those ones. Who's WHO's the member of the avengers where it makes no sense at all said he would be a member of the avengers the hulk. He saw the movie set of. Course I saw the movie you saw the movie. That's right did shot. What's the about? You know it's really just like pretty classic. beat him up brawler, but with the connect technology you know, and it's a great game. You know I love it my on Adventures Hawkeye. Okay, thank you theros from the move he's got. He's got the I just these money from my thousand yards with exactly that's my dream. I mean on the court shooting threes right. Exactly right, so you know Hawkeye's. My Guy knows my go-to and he's great in the game you know, and just how these fan favourite characters be able to play them on the connected how? Now connect boom. If you don't know, it's when actually you move, and the characters exactly mimics your body. Get it. You're not that hip. Because whenever I play Gunnar a line in a call duty. Johnny Bravo Cow Johnny Bravo. Right. Here, you and back. Senate's messed up, but I'm outside. Playing broke I'm sorry. I need to be in front of a video. Gamers having fun with one another. Okay, you ready to do more psychological ice hockey with. Can't Skate California kid. Okay, yeah, I wanNA, you come in here. I'll you're GONNA play the role of Catherine Martin Brooke. You're going to play the role of Buffalo Bill. Somewhere we have stripped. Booze going to give you the script allieu. Take this script so I'm just going to set the going to set the scene for you at your Catherine. Martin you the senator's daughter all right now. Brooke Europe Buffalo Bill Silence of the lambs. Now, did you ever see sounds? Lambs Brooks. All right, so here's the scene there in the basement. Catherine mourns in that that dungeon whole you now have your junk tucked in between your legs, and your legs tight wants to. If you were a woman in a mirror. That okay Craig does. Often. you know you've done this for you. Pull this off. Back in the day you. Talk you talk the junk in your closure legacy. See what you look like with. Nineteen seventy four woman, so you'll play. They're all Buffalo Bill House Catherine Martin. Doing a woman's voice or my voice pretty much the same famous about the same you ready to go broke and I really laid off. Think you're. Man You could do this. This is the Brook Lopez of the Brooklyn Nets five and two four wins in a row, and they've got the Nixon their sites above them. Allieu ready I've not seen this movie, but I think I can do all right ladies and gentlemen, silence of the lambs, boomer and carton style go. Well you're. Buffalo Billion Sh. rubs lotion on the skin. It does this whenever it is told Mister. My family will pay cash whatever ransom you're asking for. They pay it. It rubs the lotion on the skin or else. It gets the hose again. Yes it will precious, won't it? It will get the homes. Okay, okay, Mr if you let me go I won't I. Won't I promise see? My mom is a real important woman, but I guess you already know that. Now places the lotion in the basket. Please please I WANNA go home I. WanNa go home. Please places the lotion in the basket. I WANNA. See my mommy please Seema. Put the Lotion in the basket nice. What's what? A. Career in this. Bill Bill Laimbeer back. Back in land of the. Future for, sure. That's Great I. Ask got in here I said obviously you must listen to us. You know when you make a little bit of fun of you. Then you very cool about it. He know we make fun of everybody. Brook Lopez's here. Check out the new videogame marvel avengers battle for earth, big video game being released xbox three sixty connect now available for the we you on December four, th, just in time for Hannukah Christmas. You got a superhero. Characters obviously. The big four you can also use motion game played. Execute Explosive Super Tax. You play online, ever know. If I got down with US tonight. You told me you screen him. We get it on here in a battle it out for. Supremacy, of the earth for you for you. You'RE GONNA. Be going to be the bone, our man though the. Yeah there you go. Obviously, you know. I'm Captain America so. I would. Say if you were like iron man, how does how does Hawk I can't take down? Can he can pal? Actually Hawkeye beat ironman is first appearance they really. Yeah. How did you don't forget I'm in doesn't have any special powers. He's got the uniform outfit. Superhero else. Puts a uniform. Some ASS caulk I. Beat them how you wait until he got out of his uniform. BEAT THEM IN A Fight did he actually beat him up straight up as like you know superheroes right there. I mean Oh. Yeah, yeah. Oh who's doing the greatest superhero of all time? Is you think Superman or now? I gotta go. Probably Batmans Guy Batman again. You have the utility belt, the no actual powers. Go Superman. He's got all the powers. He reflects bullets. He can fly. You can see things other than lead. Some KRYPTONITE laying around now. He's never got Kryptonite laying around I might could. Be, a better superhero than than Superman when you think about when you break it down, hardcore plus plus Batman had a partner, right? I'm Kinda like Batman and he's like a little. No yes, this role maybe outside of the Studio Batman. Actually Think he's more like the ridler. Really that's. He's walking evil character. mean. We don't have boy sidekicks wearing tight pants. Asa Little Weird. Spiderman. 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He came into the studio with us, and he's got that awful uni brow, so we're like dude. I me about the multimillionaires shave the eyebrow he leaves. The studio gets on the phone with his agent and an hour later trademarked the name Uni Brow. About. Good. Look from. It's not a good look for anybody. That's a good look for two. We showed up. Guys Bust your chops. You'll look for me right. Look you almost. Almost. Close. Kisses nice big eyebrows. Do Very Very Volkan. Star check I are. You are you are one of our producers Eddie? He's a star trek nut. Favorite cowardice he goes. He went to Stanford so he's thinking way ahead of where we're thinking. Archer. My favorite actually. This isn't popular, but I like Picard. As opposed card over Kirk generation guy haven't had any you down with that or now I understand the appeal, but I gotta go, Kirk, you gotta go. Captain Kirk Af- well younger older I get you a card. Was Your Dude exactly yeah? Chicks though Kirk was. 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This he's the best of boom boomer in court as we celebrate our thirty third anniversary here on the fan back in April of twenty seventeen before the NFL draft Patrick Mahomes came in studio to talk to boomer and carton. This was before he was drafted by the Kansas City chiefs before his super bowl remedy AP. Before his MVP season. We didn't really know who Patrick. MAHOMES WAS TD TAXES TAX Patrick Mahomes. Prospects for the NFL draft. If. You buy all those tramps except to say. Yes Patrick Different place state and he was that say six months ago and that's a good thing and what I mean by that is. More people around him and seeing them and. Dissect it up from head to toe, which very strange thing made people think him as the first round and how Patrick boomer and Craig to New York City. Bud, yeah, appreciate. You'll have me y'all say. That quick! Know Texas Tech in Lubbock Texas. Where did you grow up I grew up in Tyler Texas. Home of Earl Cabell Brian. Campbell the summer going out to the tune is he's got this big. French foreign call it. The ranch, a ranch, working the ranch from Earl Campbell sons. So, what's the last? Let's say thirty days been like Um combine to today where you of go from on unheralded quarterback, amongst most people to. He's getting better. He's getting better. You haven't played a game in months. It seems like people thinking of you in a higher regard in the last month and a half. Yeah, I mean definitely more people just see me throw in person. coaches on that board and seeing my knowledge, and how picked up information has definitely helped out a ton, and then just a media just really getting in and really watching me play and watching my film and not just. Putting that air-raid quarterback. They're actually seeing everything I do and understanding how much control ahead of that offense. All that is Kinda. Help me boost more up the draft boards. In those days. She threw the ball. What seventy eight yards we just shut off or what were you doing? Trying to make it a kind of hell? Mary Ann Rogers type thing saying if we could keep it filled with thirteen seconds left, and we're. We're down. We're down to now. We're can throw one pass for five yards and get to the end zone. Walk legit seventy eight. Yeah, he caught it at seventy eight. I think it landed about eighty, but I mean I would've. I would've thought I would've thought like eighty five, but I was a little wobbly coming out ahead. Sure. You're just in college. Mess around every now and then what's the longest? You've ever thrown eight three yards, but I thought I was doing good. That death like you get at eighty five, but it didn't i. Bet you in a real game. You could probably throw at eighty five yards just because you're so yeah, so. Right so I think you're probably do that. the interesting thing is that. Tell me the story about what yet? All these guys at Texas Tech Right. Who At quarterback yet Baker Mayfield was their kid. Dobbs was there right when I was A. We had Baker Mayfield Davis Webb Cooper. Okay, you got guys there and you. You're the one that ended up staying there. Yeah, so I committed there and there was like I said Baker Mayfield Davis. The brew ended up transferring going over Jia and starting for two years Baker Mayfield. You can see what he does and his heisman races. The he's been in, and then you have Davis. Webb who I went in there. And it was kind of me and him in the room, and he was a starter and a He ended up getting injured. One Game I came in the game and then whether on the season came in again and I fill out the rest of the season, and then we got to compete for the spot on that. Spring and I I want the job. He's a great quarterback. I knew he was going to be in this situation as well with him about to get drafted as well pretty high and it was. Good quarterback science spot, and I just came out on top scare. All these kids away from. That's called being confident and. Wonder, if if that's legitimate like your coach Luke gave you a legitimate chance to win the job and that was real. Yeah, he put us out there, and he gave us both equal one. No one reps and he said pretty much. Wherever plays the best in the spring wins the job that doesn't happen all the time logistics guy. He's the incumbent number one, and then he's the number one guy and you wouldn't gotten a crack, so you went to the right school, but his coach was a former quarterback. Cliff Kingsbury. He's a little out there. Does things a little bit against the problem. If you will right, he's pretty Polish guy, but he's also I guess he's a great promoter of Texas tech football's really what he is, and you're actually wanting to the right system with the right guy. Is Your head coach? Yeah, exactly and that's why I went. There was because I knew how good offensively mono, Gray Awfully Monte coach. Kingsbury was and how he was gonNA. Fix Me and try to help restrain me a little bit, but at the same time let me play. And so he did that the perfect amount where he was kind of bringing me back a little bit trying to perfect me a little bit, but at the same time led me to the stuff that got me there now. Were you a great athlete from like five years old on? Yeah, I mean. I was around sports since I've been born. My Dad play professional baseball so. Eight, at one point. He talks about all the towns. That year. So That's great. He talks about that. I could still strike you out exact, so you go over to the family where Your Dad's a professional athletes obviously DNA wise. You have the something there Bryan Khazal. Time was there in age where you knew as key, and you're still a kid, but when you were like seven or eight. Were you just do things on the kids couldn't do yeah, I was I think it was six I was five or six? At the time I was like on the BP field like catching fly balls replicant. My little sister knows five and I'm like. How are they even letting me out there That taking around balls were hitting be. Understood stuff way faster and when I went back to play t-ball, even though I've been hidden pretty much kid pitch by whole life. And I went back to play t-ball, and I was playing shortstop. What's the older kids? And they made Grand Ball, and I threw a bullet over there. That's that's what we do. T ball by. Everybody else can't catch. Hit The kid right in the blast. Now Why am? I just I didn't love baseball. As much as I love football, and all the challenges football had and playing quarterback I mean. I mean that's what that's doing the world. He actually he did play baseball at Texas. You were a new decided. You know going. Into this year and decided no more baseball. You're going to concentrate on football, right? Yeah, and it was I played my freshman year, but I didn't really play how I was competing for the starting job, so I was like Whoa I'm not missing any football practices and schedule got messed up and I'm kind of missing. Baseball Games are trump halfway through a baseball game sometimes and. I was there but I didn't necessarily play that much. I just wasn't gonNA. Quit I going to? Leave the team down my dad. House will be there. The amazing thing to me is that they often talk about players as to whether or not you know football is their thing. You know you're all in for football, and I'm sure that's a lot of the questions that were asked to you by. GM's and coaches and they WANNA know. How much do you eat drink and sleep football? I get the sense of listening to you right. Right here that you eat drink and sleep football data. Sure that is your deal. Where did you go to high school went to White House high school. Now would tell me about your high school football program. What was it a big program in Texas? We know we weren't. We were Kinda on the up and coming as we came through, actually won the first district championship in a long time, we. Devote the space and we had a couple of good teams. Come through, come through come through, and then when my group a group of guys. Folly brought us the top where we kind of started winning. We went I. Think my last two years. We went twelve and one and then thirteen twelve and to. My bad eleven to twelve and one so i. mean we just finally started breaking that cusp of being one of those good football programs? All the coaches ask you about that. Ask You about your experiences at Texas Tech, and now all of a sudden as crazy, pointed out just a few seconds ago seems like your draft stock is rising. What's the one thing that you had the that? You have to fight against every day? When people think about you as a quarterback? Yeah, definitely just thinking I'm not smart and I'm just kind of a guy who's out there, and they're eight system, and this puts up all those yards. They have to really understand how much I know about football. How much I know! Know about defenses and how I know how to change plays and I do all that stuff, and so feel like when people see that and especially coaches, I'm changing plays depend on based off coverage and I. Know How to get through the res and all that I thought that's what's helped me rise, and the draft process should know that when you played Oklahoma through for over seven hundred yards, you. This is stupid. Fifty two for eight years. You actually threw the ball. Eight Times Against Oklahoma is sixty six to fifty nine laws, but through seven hundred thirty four. That's more than a Jackson this month. Seven hundred I know you lost the game, but that'd be one of the most fun games you've ever played in. No, yeah, I mean definitely the atmosphere is actually Baker Mayfield's first time returning to play in Lubbock. Fans going crazy and then just getting out there and score points in this like everything. Was Perfect that game and I. I give credit to lots marcy risen. Stuff because they were making a lot of place happen, and then let's coach Kingsbury game plan going into. It was like everything that he had shown me through the film. Process of how we're GonNa do this short motion. They're gonNA check to this defense. It was perfectly spot on, so it made it a lot easier future. Realize you going into the game. Was that game? They not going to overtime, did it? Did you know going into the game that you were gonNA throw that many passes no, no. Other than that game through I mean I still do a lot forty five probably tons of game. Guess maybe. Not But. It was nowhere near eighty eight, so it was. It was something where we got the coverage that we like we saw that we we kind of went to a lot of empty, and we saw that we were getting the coverage. We lie, so he stayed with it so the interesting thing I, if if a coach was going to sit down with coach Kingsbury And say okay. Tell me what I need to know about Patrick that that I can believe that I could build my team around what would be the one or two things that coach? Clinics Kingsbury would say about you. Just, my passion for the game like that's unmatched. People say it, but they don't show it with their plan. They don't show coming every day to practice and compete in the weight room. They're competing on every aspect of football. People don't show it and I thought I show it everywhere. I, go, and then smuggled tentativeness I feel like those things can carry me with. With I mean. I have some of the physical talented stuff, but if you're that passionate competitiveness that you want to win and everything you do i. mean that's what's GonNa. Help you barrages top you, Tom Brady and you see with those guys is there? Is there a guy in the in the League now? That kind of reminds you of the way you play. Will be careful. Yeah, I mean I. Say what the kid from Notre Dame said. Yeah Tom Brady go. Good for you could save you on because we'll be in the news, but be careful. Yeah, I, mean I. I thought I'd take a lot. A lot of different guys but I mean I. Feel like I try to base my game off. Aaron Rodgers. just because he can do a lot of scrambling in the play and quick release and do that stuff, but I. Finally, compare myself to a couple of guys. It'd be aired and been just kind of make sure those guys I mean I'm not at their level yet, but I'm trying to get to that. But wrong, being confident man. But he's, but he's basically trying to ease answering a question that I'm asking him and I just wanted to get the sense of where he thinks he is as a player, so what I get out of that? Is that your guy? That's not going to stand still in the pocket. Throw the ball. Run that you could do a lot of different things. I don't take that as in any way, shape or form Mike an insult. We! We've had this Shawn Watson earlier and talking to coach Brian Kelly from Notre Dame yesterday. You you want him one of two spots when you get drafted you either drafted as a kid franchise things is gonna be their savior and the face of the franchise, and they're gonNA. Throw into the water. Day. Once you can swim and you're the guy and you become the guy. The minute you walk on nine into that NFL! Starting quarterback of fell team, and here that's got its pratfalls and ninety four hundred the Dak. Prescott life. It was one of fifteen boomer, but his own center wanted him out of the game because he was killing the team. Software you go in and you get a year? acclimated to watch a veteran quarterback, really teach you how to do it and go through the motions and your two year where the hands of the keys. My Gut is that you want them day. One butter you have. Do you have a preference and based on the guys that are advising you to what's best for you? Where do you think the answer that question I mean yeah I mean. That's a competitor like you said I WANNA play like I've never really had to sit outside a little bit. Tech and I understand WH. Train and be ready to go at any moment, but you WanNa play you WanNa be in that game and but at the same time I know if I get a year right to sit behind someone I our set that responsibility and train in case, anything happened to be ready to go, but at the same time. If maybe we'll have to wait a year, I'm ready to go then just whatever it tastes. I mean for the team whatever takes for me to have the best career possible I. Mean you look Aaron Rodgers? I'm sure he wanted to play those first three years. He wanted to play, but. He got a chance to play He was ready to go zero. team or two that has expressed a lot of interesting you more than others. I think there's a lot. At the point now where I I have no idea where I'm going to go, it's. Like the team that wants you Moses probably not the team is going to get you so I mean for me I'm sure keep open mind to go anywhere. Just see my dad and his professional. Krino that you never know what's going to happen. Did you met with the jets probably? That go well. I thought it went really well. just got got I had to work out what they'll throw in front of them and I will, and then just seeing their facilities and stuff like that I. mean the top Notch Go. Yeah, we're always wanted to do at work like that. Who are you throw the ball to a guy on the team or Receivers. Curse For private thought they might be. There's certain rules where like. Schools close to their you live close to. You can go to work out there. So Thursday. Are you going to be at the drafts there? No, no I'm actually not invited, but I decided that I was going to stay home with my family and I just I mean. The! Guy So I I wanted to spend that number with them and plus spread every time. Another guy if you're sitting there, not knowing where you're going to go. On Your family sitting next to you like Jesus, the buffets over. Going on. My own experience not want to be there if you leave the house. At the University of Maryland Did. Not Go to the draft I. Thought I was going to be a first rounder I fell to the second round. So what happens you know and then at the end of the day? It's not really when you're drafted, and it's not about your first contract. I guarantee you, Patrick. It's about your second confidence there. And you'll be fine. I just sense that you have a real sense about you. That's going to translate to the NFL pretty well, thank. You! Should the best of luck can Thursday. It'd be wherever you go. The. It'll be a special day because you can do. A lot of kids didn't do and be drafted into the ain't nothing wrong with that. How much search these days yeah admission awhile, but what I ended up. OFF SEASON One time. This last season was three thirty. I'm pretty pretty big pretty strong. Actually three thirty is pretty good. On Thursday. And finally on the best of boomer and car in this goes back to our days in a story AH, Jose can SACO had just written his book about steroids. And boomer and carton took him to task in this interview which ends in a Jose. Can Saco hang up on the best of boomer and carton joining us on the hotline now is a man who has been at the center of a lot of the steroid. Talk has been public enemy number one in some circles. All the people credit him with being a very honest and open about all the steroid use in baseball either way we welcome Jose can say good to the fan in New York with boomer and Craig Carton. Jose good. Morning! How are you today? Good morning very early morning. Yeah, yeah, it is a hey, listen let me ask you this. You know for the last two years Jose. I think I've probably have spoken conservatively now to about one hundred baseball players, who who actually fine you to be just absolutely despicable and there is. How do you respond to something like that? Well definitely I'll sit. Major League Baseball told the truth about what was going on. It seems like I'm complete pariah. seems like a lot of these players. Who Fear Major League Baseball have basically You know speak out against me well. You would understand why though I mean I would imagine that there's a code there's A. Code of. Ethics you know what you see here said here and heard here stays here, and you violated that code in so many different aspects. You can understand why they would feel that way about you right. Absolutely, but I think the players have to understand that the attack was against them restricted loneliness major league baseball. The problem was that. I could never get one of these athletes to verify what what I say. You know I. Read Both Books Jose and the second book the one that just came out vindicated. You seem a little bit. I don't know what the right word is kind of bitter that you've Khanna become this pariah almost like you're upset with the media that you're not getting more credit for outing What happened with steroids in baseball? My right in the way you feel or no. Books were vindicated. I've I've had a lot of people not come up to me and thanked me for seventy game of baseball for telling the truth, a restructuring the gaming changing it. To its original form now so everything's turned out quite positive with with the second book indicated. We're talking to Jose Canseco as he. He's promoting his book. second book vindicated after he wrote his first book juice about the steroids scandal, a major league baseball and Some would say that you know. Go became before your book and Belco is going to basically exposed players like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, the Mitchell report all that kind of stuff, and then your book basically came after that and I. I would have to agree with a lot of players. Who Basically said that you're doing this? Because you're desperate for money that you could give a damn about baseball, and whether or not players were taking steroids. Agree with where you want. You don't know me, sir. Your opinion really doesn't count. Let's get into couple of it financially. Where are you right now? Are you okay? Do you have money in the bank? You blown the money where we at I. Don't understand why I'm constantly asked this question. I can ask you guys the same question I can ask anyone who does a job as a profession, the same question. Why are you guys constantly stuck upon that Major League Baseball blackballed me from the game. That I love. Basically what I did was attack Major League Baseball. Simple right, but people want to know a guy that's made conservatively fifty million dollars in his life. Why put himself in this position? If not for the money, you clay through you claim in a second book. You have a love affair with baseball weibring baseball down if you love it now, I'm not trying to bring baseball down trying to bring baseball to for used to be. Fought say one thing it sounds to me and reading the book and You can make your assessments by yourself when you do. Read it your quotes about Alex Rodriguez. It sounds like you're trying to bring him down. Well I mean those are more for personal reasons issues that I have Alex Alison, not who? People perceive to be He's a complete different person. I, I did have a lot of. Without tell us, is he? Alex Rodriguez that. You know that we don't know. Well a hypocrite individual who's constantly being politically correct. a liar and I do believe that in the past he you know was, there would use her. And individual who I trusted in my home. And went after my Jessica now so you believe he made passes at your your your ex-wife, correct. Absolutely did okay. Can you walk us through how you know that? He made a pass at her and how you can kind of reconcile in your head. Why was not okay for him to make a pass your wife, but it was okay to show your wife's new breast to Debbie and Roger Clemens. Well I mean not now. You're talking stuff. That really never happened. I don't know about that incident where you know someone showed you. Rest of you. Know Roger Clemens and Debbie. Idea about the guys. If you're going to be attacking me on this book, that's the absolute truth I'll hang up when you're right now, so you start respecting me. Backed by goodbye. Go head, perfect, no backbone right exactly. Well we disrespecting. Oh No we a break. Please I mean we didn't get it. How do we disrespect them yet, we? I'm still trying to figure out how he has the ability to attack. Alex Rodriguez the way he does. Biggest liar, a hypocrite and he believes Oxygen Regan's did steroids, but showing his wife's Tatas off the debit clemens. We've disrespected of some out. Click clack. They go. Well. I mean come on. Your Jose can say you're a big tough guy. You've been promoting a book. Your promoting a buck. We give you the shot. Come on the radio. One question about your your ex wives breasts and we've disrespected you bye-bye! Come in! Talking about sensitive. He's under a lot of do anything wrong in that interview I. Don't tell them the player perspective I got into about baseball. If you don't talk about this stuff, though write the book. He wrote a book I gotTa Ask him questions about. That If you're going to disrespect me. I'm going to hang up. Hang up tough guy like see. I mean a loss for me. I. Don't know what to tell you. You write a book like that. You gotta you gotta expected. You'RE GONNA get some tough questions, and that has been the best of boomer and carton. We ruled the airwaves for ten years. That's. Happy Thirty Third Birthday wfan.

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J. will zubin were presented by progressive insurance in the inevitable with cam might becoming sooner rather than later i. How is the weekend and you love to start without an a monday. Always this way should even a sport show. Yeah we should start with something that went on the day before and what we did. And then we dive into sports because our listeners. Love the stick around until we get there right. I mean that's what it was. Let's watch football same thing. We always do right on the weekends. Saturday and sunday. Saturday college football in sauce. Some interesting gave clinton was gonna suddenly dropped out when they didn't You know oklahoma state. They serve their toe. But i think a lot of start. I didn't want to see that anyway. Right just certain games certain teams. I don't wanna see when it comes to the final four it nj will yesterday's. Nfl action was quite interesting. I must say in several games so that was pretty much the weekend soccer with the kids soccer on on saturday on saturday morning. I didn't have to go to soccer because the young woman was with me so she stayed in we. Kinda watch cartoons. I don't think she understood. Anything was on the screen except the colors which was fi for two and a half hours patrol on an hour break. I don't even know what. I don't even know the cartoons myself. It wasn't my traditional tom. And jerry. bugs bunny. You know wasn't wasn't anyone's back in the fifties not those cities but then sunday believe it or not. I almost quit. What quit what this job. Espn everything to go back to california. Because i had to stand out in at nine o'clock in the morning for two hours freezing to watch soccer and it's not that bad yet the bag out there like me. I don't know how talk me into this. Yeah we had a little bit of that. On saturday we went trick or treating Nobody in the neighborhood got my outfit. I was People thought i was hollywood from top gun. Because i had the whole top gun gear but i was actually david chapelle nobody. You didn't do a good job. I had some of the pieces from an attributes that showed you david chapelle snatch people my neighborhood. New dave chapelle. Es right we sent out candy to on the on the porch on the front steps for people to socially distant. Yes we are two big things. Put the note on it and can't make now did the note. Say please take one piece of candy to the kid coming to my daughter wrote. Please take one and then. I'm sure they was taking more. I wasn't monitoring it like that. This is a question because it's no that you guys give out candy bars. Are you that. It was a bunch of different stuff. Like i'm saying. Are you like all all star. It was some four ones. But there's also many's it was just a bunch of different candidate can't high money if you given out whole bars and you get it from target. How different was it. You know this is the first year. I've lived in new york city. I was at a restaurant on halloween and a lot of the people that live in and around new york city. That don't have a backyard. They don't have house. All that sort of stuff. I was sitting in the restaurant and the trick or treaters came into the restaurant for candy and the restaurant was ready for him. Like this has been a thing. It was just totally new to me because they didn't have neighbors to go door to door so they just go business to business and the kids got there can't see can i would've taken it to the next level kids we would. I would've come up to your table and asks you for tip as smart as what or way for him to leave the tip zubin. I'm just saying as a kid i would. You know. I'll talk about that during the break. You know seven years statue of limitations must move along. Gotcha pay by credit card. You can swipe the five dollars. I put on the table all right back to handle. You've done the same talked about the weekend. The big twelve is done. And i think in some cases cam might be done. Bill belichick said listen. Alright he still are starting moving forward for the pats now. It's a long week literally and figuratively. It's a long week. 'cause they don't play next week until monday night. Football against the jets. And frankly it's going to be a long week. Because i mean they used to say when you sit there and watch film with bella check. He would rip. Tom brady to shreds. I got no idea what he's going to do with cam news. I don't think he's going to do much with camp. Camp didn't play god awful camp. Help them stay in the game. He didn't take him out of the game. I just think that they don't have enough. Like who is first of all jakobi meyers. is there. He tried to do whatever he could do. Not the law firm the receiver right and then when you get jacoby meyers. And then when you think about D'humieres bird another. I mean it's like. Who am i throw into this. Julian edelman okay. You could clearly tell. The cam was trying to put the team on his back. Unfortunately he got him in a position at the end of the game but any fumbled. And that's why it's it is just like. Oh god this is just won't turn him. It just will not turn for the pats. We fell into this trap of bella check. Is there. he'll figure it out. They started off. Pretty good and one one miami seattle seattle game was a a win so to speak even though they didn't get the w. on the board not gonna go line in the play in the goal line style. Points all of those of things and everything just kinda fell apart for right. I mean it just it of started to disintegrate in now people are looking at cam. Oh my god this. But they're not. They're not focused in on this players at opted out. There's no julian element they've yet to ever fix. Wide receiver position on the perimeter outside of julian edelman oregon kaczynski. They just continue to get that wrong. He traded for randy moss for low bargain type situation. Moss conham energize the outside receiver position for them and that was pretty much it outside of malls for many years. He's never given tom brady any credit. I mean any player so to speak to give him that type of credit. But when you look at the teams now it's like well for many years. Tom brady kinda like seems like he was covering up for some of those deficiencies in now that he's not there. We could kind of see everything face value like where are the players that they drafted wheel where two players that they signed in the future to try. And come up with some sort of help for cam. Newton cam into a better quarterback or even from a defensive standpoint. Where are those guys at well. Scott said that before where he questioned bill bell checks ability to draft and get derived town around people and people always respond by saying well as one super bowls. And what are you talking about all. There's actually that's that's a pretty great point about talent surrounding people with. I will say this. You said that things won't turn for cam. Things will turn from cam next week when they play the jets. But i think it's time that we stopped talking about cam as an elite. Qb when i talk about elite qb's. I see what. Aaron rodgers does to marginal wide receivers. He makes them look great. Cam is not throwing the ball well enough to make marginal players look great. That's all i'm saying. No doubt about it. Aaron rodgers thrown valdes scantling and allen lazard and even the most hardcore. Nfl fan probably had no idea who those players were before they arrived on the scene with the official numbers. Jay said his arm is official numbers. Were not great fifteen. Twenty five for one hundred and seventy four yards passing but simply put after the game cam. Not passing unaccountability. Something does it back to you more because you guys were moving the ball at the end there because he did have a chance obviously on that drive. They're not a victory more. That are still jeopardized his team success because my lackluster owners look to coach. Trust me with the bottom line hanson. I wouldn't want it any other way. That do a better job protecting what do you think about that. He's not a lead anymore he can we. Can we agree on that key. Is cam newton an elite quarterback. No he's not an elite quarterback. Right now no no. He's not that's not is he is. He doesn't that doesn't mean because he's not a lead quarterback that he should fumble on the ten yard line. He was pushing them in the right position. It just so happened. The duke came from behind punched. The ball out. Camp should know better. That's the frustrating. Part is cam should know better when you get into traffic. Put that ball away. It's on his right side. The ball should be in his left arm toward the sideline. he knows. better zubin. all. I'm saying over. The last four years is two seasons in regard to yardage impasse. Td's landed him in the company of myth. A mitch trubisky. I'm not sure that's company. You want to keep. That's what i'm saying. Just numbers sheer numbers. And the test. Tell you where he is running the numbers for key. This is came tenth year in the league. You got to know better. If you're a ten year veteran what side of your body you need to be holding the football onto. We're asking on the dr pepper twitter feed. Who do you trust more to win in the playoffs. Lamar jackson who's yet to win a single playoff game or josh allen. Who's yet to win a single playoff game. Of course both have been be a part of the kishan. G will zubin nation of the dr pepper twitter feed. Espn nation presented by dr pepper fisher college. Football's back and so is your favorite dr pepper loving college. 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That when i look at people that have had their quarterbacks for long extended periods of time you know it's just like man i couldn't land i couldn't maybe it was museum. Maybe it was just. I was just so awful that the good lord said no. We're not going to bless you with any quarterbacks well we would say that for those of you. Too young enough to remember vinny. Testaverde's certainly worth looking up and brad johnson of course keys super bowl winning quarterback in tampa bay ben rothlisberger himself has won two super bowls. He said this off season too much laughter even though he's been in the league for nearly seventeen years and you see rivers the mdc alliance guys came in with. He said i got multiple super bowls left immediately multiple left. You can look at being prior to his injury and you could tell he was still cool like when you look at why you look. Philip rivers. showers has a little bit of a rebirth an indie. Because it's you know indi whatever different lift. Okay they're winning and in but when you look at them it's like nah that ain't gonna work when you look at big being like. Oh man he got another six or seven years of doing this six or seven territory agent telling you you can look at him and tell but he's healthy. He's good for kia. What level though. Because i mean big ben has this is the same level that he's always been at. This is say looks a little bit marginal as many. Look the same winning game if you go back to big ben when he first came into this league don't look at the numbers just look at his style of play. All of it looks the same as it did yesterday. He makes plays and he gets out of the way and it just looks it. Looks clunky never smooth. But it's effective. Speaking of clunky and never smooth you could make that argument win the ravens. Go down in the lamar jackson era. Incredible stat. They have never rallied from ten down to be able to win. Came into yesterday's game with the thirty first passing attack in the nfl twentieth in passing efficiency and lombardi to make one throat. The end of the game granted. It was batted down in the end zone. It ended the way it normally has for lamar in big spots. Just not being able to come up that huge on the other side mike. Tomlin steelers head. Coach kinda summon up what his squad thinks about that other. Qb respect for him. But we don't fear him. And so you know we're not surprised by getting transpires lamar jackson. I'm sitting here. i'm taking that one. I'm saying okay. Thank you thank you for that. Like there was no need to even say that. I recognize this. Mike tomlin truth. But it's like you give another player ammunition key. Hey why are you looking at me sideways. And i'm looking at the monitor okay. We're not as mike thomas. It man we not worried about that. Do not worried about him but it was really funny to me. It's not learn. How gamy he's going to give us something to go. The other way with watching that whole game innocent tardy. I knew that lamar jackson threw a pick six start. The game i knew he threw another interception that led to a drive at the beginning of the second half but with as bad as lamar jackson played. The ravens still could have won. The game could have less sugar. I understand you. But i think thinking know jay when you when you're on the sideline in their up eventually. He's going to do something. Just stay patient. That is going to help us out. That's the way the coaches are telling. That's away coach. Tomlin has already sent that message to his team is don't panic. Just sit tight if we get opportunity. Go up on them. he ain't coming back. I just is the margin that great between the steelers and ravens because feel for as bad as the ravens played. I mean they still won the game. Like that's what i'm saying like i didn't walk away from saying that game. I site saying pittsburghers. Much better than the ravens. Wow like it to have that. Vote of confidence for mike tomlin to say something like that. That takes some but some things that are hanging low but jane. I'm looking at eight. I'm looking at number eight okay. That number eight is not number twelve a number twelve in chicago. I mean number. Twelve green bay number toil in tampa. That's number eight. He can't beat us if we get up late. In games pushing the ball down the field. We already know that so. Our confidence is bubbling. Oh we gotta do stop him in. Get the ball go. Down and score is the rap. That is the way that mike tomlin has taught his team talk to his team. Pre-game and let them know. Do pass it. Maybe even address the entire team. Maybe only one or two people if we stopped that do man. We ain't worried about him. We ain't worried about hollywood brown. We not worried about sneed. They don't catch a few passes but our team is better than them. Because that quarterback. I mean your underwear about hollywood brown anyway. Healing got to targets for one reception. I mean that's i mean. He tweeted after game. That's a problem. I'm just saying if you're to ravens. You walk away and not to be a bigger sign of things to comfort his team. Some internal issues but me. Yes does fall on the shoulders. Lamar jackson but i'm not walking away from game being like. Oh man the steelers. Beat us on this. I'm we beat ourselves and you can look at it that way. Oh my ravens and look at it that way. Maybe the ravens. How so you look at it eight. So we don't have to have a guy in the saddle that can push the ball down the feel when we need him to when we fall behind to put a say leading games. We don't have that and that's concrete. That's who exactly we jackson as up today. Okay he was not that guy leading up to yesterday in. That's why mike tomlin can say what he said. Now lamar's leading and he's dynamically put the take off iran. All that cute. It looks good. But one of the things that they say is make him throw. The football may keep throwing we want. We dare you to we dare you to and that starts to seep in the heads in the minds of the offense coordinator is well as mark jackson. At times ill pick six. Another ball was holding. Guy beats him bats out of his aunt. Two things we should mention the rematch. If you're wondering as you kind of said taking that comment about respecting but not fearing they will meet again with the country watching in primetime on thanksgiving nights that one They want to circle in pittsburgh in pittsburgh at eight twenty eastern on thanksgiving night in detroit. washington dallas. Yuck dr pepper call in line. Which quarterback do you fear facing the most. I'm guessing that fell is called in lamar. Jackson would not be the first thing they say at eight eight say. Espn tell us. who do you. Fear the most eighty eight say. Espn pj halloween browse still to come. The trade deadline is tomorrow at four eastern and for the first time in almost twenty years. Could the pats actually be selling will talk to our gm who was trading selling and acquiring for years when you talk to a dell technologies adviser. They're focused on you. Ready to give advice on everything from laptops to the cloud and offer tailored solutions powered by intel be pro platform to keep your small business ready for what's next call adele technologies advisor today at eight. Seven seven ask dell. That's eight seven seven ask. They'll do so on. Jay williams sylvan. The podcast came taking some accountability bill. Not taking away his starting job just yet. They'll have a little over a week a week from today to prepare for the jets in the long week on monday night. Football and that can be truly rock-bottom if they can't beat the nfl's only winless team in front of the country. Next monday night but instead of next monday light. Let's focus in on tomorrow. Tuesday which is the nfl trade deadline four pm eastern as we welcome in my tanenbaum espn front office. 'insider joins us on the shell pennzoil performance on brought to you by shelby. Power nitro plus premium gasoline. To tell you here. Mike you've been wheeling and dealing for years when you were in the nfl as a gm so the big question right now surrounding the pats after their fourth straight defeat simply put. What should they do at quarterback if there is a move to be made yeah i would hold survey was the patriots. I actually thought they moved the ball. Relatively effectively given the conditions yesterday. And but for that last turnover by camden there. Either winning the game or tying the game and to go on the road against a good buffalo team as undermanaged. They've been with all the recent injure injuries. All the opt-outs right now. I think he gives them the best chance to win for the rest of the season. My take the quarterback out of the equation. Hush head coach bill. Belichick handle the four. Pm trade deadline tomorrow key. There's a lot of rumors about stefan. Gilmore put his house on the market. That's the one name maybe to keep an eye on. I think he's been a little up and down this year. His tackling has been inconsistent. And one of the reasons. He's been such a great player is key. He could cover and he could tackle if they can get a first round pick. I think they would have to listen because he only has one year to go but beyond that maybe they can add receiver. You know what your ago. They went out. They ended mohamed. Sanu from the atlanta falcons gave up a second round pick. That didn't work out. But i would go to the houston texans. They've got a number of receivers. Kenny stills william fuller. Maybe even brandin cooks who they've had before if they can add a receiver. We got keep something in mind. There's gonna be seventeen from each conference. make the playoffs. They are not out of it. I know that's hard to believe. But we're only halfway through the season and of cam. Newton came stay healthy. Cut down on the turnovers. If the price was right if i was new england i would still consider adding a receiver. So funny mike. The best kept secret ever in national. Football league is when you put your house on the market during the sees it has spills. I'm outta here. Mike i want to ask you. A question is to bill check or do you still have confidence in him as a like a manager as well like a guy to make operation decisions as far surrounding j. will absolutely and we could go back to his days in cleveland coach. Bell checks baits very hard but unpopular decisions. He benched a very popular bernie kosar two decades ago. He benched drew bledsoe when drew bledsoe signed a massive extension with the patriots. So i think he's beholden to give them the best chance to win. They have some holes in the roster. He'd be the first one to tell you that but you could say that they probably missed on keel harry a recent first round receiver beyond that. They're still good nucleus there and when you lose players like patrick chung marcus. Cannon dont'a hightower. Those are three really good stars to overcome. And you put a new quarterback into the system. So i look if anybody deserves the benefit of the doubt coach bell check and again because seven teams. Make the playoffs. They're still realistically in the wild card hunt divisions probably out of reach but if anybody again desserts bent for the doubt mike when you look at the game yesterday. Pittsburgh and the ravens. How important has it been for the emergence of chase claypool to add to the steelers offense yet key. Absolutely he is really stepping up to be a bonafide number one. So if you have. 'em and smith schuster ebron at the tight end position whose hard to really defending the red zone. That is a really good set of receivers. This the johnson coming along but i think claypool has a really high ceiling because of his size and speed. I'm not gonna say he's decay metcalf but his trajectory is really good. And i was listening to you guys earlier. The only other thing. I would add to the conversation about lamar jackson. He's only started thirty three games so in terms of where he is in his career. I still think we have to give him a great of incomplete. I thought he felt a little bit short yesterday. Like a lot of others. But he's still young and he cares and he's smart as athletic these radio. Mvp so in my mind he's still checks boxes even though i was disappointed how we played yesterday. Someone who's only played in thirty three games. They have a long way to go. Thank you mike. Thank you for that appreciate that. What do you think about the packers offense in that loss. Vikings yeah they're pass distributions. Really interesting outside of davante adams know receiver was targeted. Only one cat for Of receivers a couple times catches and jamaal. Williams was active in the passing game. So again this goes back to what we talked about in april which was. How can you take a team to the championship. Game with aaron rodgers. Not address what he needs which everyone knows is another receiver. So as i said earlier. I think the houston texans are going to be sellers. Kenny stills william fuller brain cokes. All three of those players are explosive and look allen lazard. He slashed a little. Bit about the scaly. He's flash a little bit. Go get one of those receivers. Give yourself a chance to win because what we saw yesterday was once. Minnesota look got his production but nobody else was able to get theirs and they were able to control the game and when you can do that and ann rogers sitting there in the premises career. I think you it to him to give him the best chance to win. Mike tannenbaum joining us on the shell. Pennzoil performance line. Mike what did you make a to start yesterday against the rams. I thought it was okay. You know the biggest thing is he didn't lose the game and the guy on the other side of the field. The first pick overall from two years ago he did lose the game. So if i'm the dolphins we got him out there he got the start. We got the win. Got to clean up some things. But i thought he processed information. Well got the ball. I was hands. He had the early which is going to happen against aaron. Donald and i think the story that came out yesterday was that miami defense. They played very well. The rams had no answer to that blitz package. So if i'm the dolphins i'm encouraged by where we're going as a team and to is gonna come along and we gotta remember guys again that no preseason games. This would have been week three for him so long way to go. But we got one last thing for you when to was in college with trevor lawrence. These two guys obviously went back and forth capturing the attention of the country. Trevor didn't throw a pass this particular weekend as we all know yet had more discussion about him than any in college or the nfl. What do you expect trevor to do here after the season. Considering what's going on with this health zubin. He threw a bomb. What he did because he's going to have to bites of the apple and here's why when the teams at the top of the draft presumably the jets jaguars. We know who they are. Go through a coaching search. Keep a close eye on dabbled sweeney a lot of people around the nfl. Feel at some point he wants to take one chance to go the nfl. Maybe he does if he does down all of a sudden. Let's say it's jacksonville. Jacksonville doesn't have the first pick and tura lawrence declares the team who has the first pick takes lawrence. We could be looking at and eli manning. Scenario of a decade ago we're alive manning's drafter by then san diego chargers and ultimately trade to new york giants and we all know that he'll get a massive deal from nike or some other up endorsement deal. He's gonna be going from a position a straight so it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens with dabbled sweeney and the coaching search and be turbocharged. Happy from georgia. He may not just want to come to the north he may want to say. Hey you know a year from now. Atlanta jacksonville tampa new orleans. All these teams over the next two years. You need a quarterback. I'm to deal from a position of strength. Real quick mike. Just forget about justin fields near right. Let's just just. There's no other quarterback in college football at all humi. Mike mike this. No i was saying i say do we. Just forget about justin fields. There's no other quarterbacks in college football. It's only trevor lawrence and that's it. Oh yeah that's a great question. Here's my only question key about justin fields land when he was at the university of georgia kirby sport chose jacob from over him. I wanna know why kirby sports have good quarter good coach. There is no way you could pick from over fields. I think feels is a top three pick. I'd be static. I was jacksonville. New york jets to get him as my quarterback moving forward. His accuracy has improved. He's big. He's strong he's elusive. I think they're going to dominate the big ten. I think it's stemming. And everybody also i think he is in the conversation key. I think there's a gap between lawrence and fields. Okay i just you know me and you mike. We have a long history of evaluating quarterback. So i just asked a question. That's a good conversation to have for the next three abouts. Yes we'll get ready and answer that in april of twenty twenty one. We should mention for those. That aren't familiar. Justin feels having trouble getting on the field degeorge outside of packages but obviously want radio really my hang on a second. Hang on a second jacob. Jake from took them to the national championship game as a true freshman. Justin fields could not do that. Maybe now leave. Who freshman true freshman the national type. Okay even i'm not gonna it can't always be key. I'm just could not get on the field and beat out a guy. That's a backup for the buffalo bills. That spot i'm leaving. You went to columbus and everything changed. J b rhine jacob piece. Was there too and couldn't beat him amount correct. I'm gonna leave it alone a lot. A lot of five star. Anybody would have wanted them. I just see a lot of times. Things situational sometimes. It's coaching to in. What's the right there with in their under ryan debt. Not only know that kirby smart us justin feels the right way. Yeah when you're you. Shouldn't he'll catch guy you should going in. But the head of mano a mano competition in who wanted. I would rather meet personally have just feels as quarterback of i was at georgia. I understand georgia has been near miss key but what frahm did for them. Justin feels would have trouble doing that. If you just said accomplishment jake from that he would have trouble doing okay. I'm i'm not gonna argue. Well like your fight back this man. I'm just saying on the verge of a title. Almost beat alabama twice. I mean. I just beat alabama justifications at quarterback. That's just me look. I'm just saying. I think one thing we can agree on. The transfer was the right decision. Or god yes because has put ohio state and fields in great great position to perhaps win the national championship in for him to get the heisman. Big time wide. Receivers master teague. Actually the question always had about how status their running game master actually proved that the other against penn state actually run the ball and be powerful with it. Just it just means now. That's just my opinion as well. Let's go from eighty from broadway suburban and everywhere in between from a to z and a little. Mlb from a disease brought to you by red box now. Available at red box and edgier action thriller. That can't be missed. Rent avis starring. Jessica chastain visit red box dot com for all the ways to watch. Jay will start their yankees. Giancarlo stanton opting in to the final seven years of his contract. That would be seven years in two hundred eighteen million dollars because Giancarlo realized what everybody else on planet earth with do. There's no way any other team in the world would give me that sort of money. He's about thirty one years old and he's always banged up. Are the yankees better or worse with this amount of money opting. In look with the postseason he had. Yes i like him. Two seasons him being Riddled with injuries. I think that's what problem. Keep them healthy. Yes i think. Now that you go into payroll has to be less next season. Two hundred and ten million dollar luxury tax. So you have to get rid of some other guys. But i like having stand on earth. Was there ever an option to not right. I even thinking about them. I know you can't really. I don't think he would have garnered more money reconsidering his contract no also considering the fact. There were no fans of games this year. There's really not a lot of owners that are going to say. Let me pay two hundred million dollars for. It's always banged up. Jay did say great Postseason hit three eight the overall value of the deal. Keep you remember when he was with the marlins thirteen years. Three hundred. twenty five million dollars you could you one about. Peter unloaded that jeeter. Get some credit for that there. Always bang judah for everything but getting rid of that. Contract was one of the best way to the playoffs this absolutely the first time since two thousand three college football clemson rallies to boston college. Watching this game saturday on your local abc station. It's twenty eight ten boston college. Fifteen point lead for the eagles at the bray but were younger. La comes in plays well. Trevor lawrence though will not play in the biggest game. The acc is headed about five years. Clemson at notre dame saturday under the lights in south bend. Daboh making the news official yesterday. Travel will not be able to play. Go ahead and get that out there. You know he's doing great. You know zone with the team last night. Talk to him this morning. He's ep feels like he can play today. So he's he's doing well. Well obviously we have. There's a protocol employees in. So i if he will be out one thing i want to quickly mention liangelo lay. Grew up his favorite player growing up. Us's reggie bush. there's and by the way. This is the biggest game in south bend. Since the bush bush think about it all comes full circle all right with how good justin fields or jake from now with how good justin feels is playing will trevor lawrence missing last week's game. Obviously this week's game could that put field in pole position for the heisman. By the way fields this year seven touchdown seventy incompletions. Think about that for a second. Look if he continues on now. We've only seen him play two games in if if trevor lawrence is missing game after game after game at some point. He's only going to be able to play a number of games in justin feels. Number games is probably topped at. What eight nine. I don't know exactly the number nine if they play a big ten nine. So you figure nine games in. Trevor lawrence is probably gonna play eight or nine games in the acc schedule and you look at the numbers you look at the comparisons and you look at what that team is doing for that players doing for his team just fills in the mix. That's what i always say about these sort of things. Whether it's the heisman whether it's draft picks we got a long ways to go before we start declaring. He's winning highs. But he's i mean this is before the big ten even started right it then all of a sudden what if somebody out in the pac twelve goals nuts those little eight games that they're gonna play just go bonkers are now. We give a trophy to justed fields and trevor lawrence. Even though somebody out western just bonkers they got to let it play out before we start declaring someone winter way beforehand. I the only thing that factors into this is covert realistic. Justin feels in. His numbers are incredible. But we don't know what's going to happen in the big ten. We don't look what happened with wisconsin. I mean the missing games and missing a lot of players still somewhat football to be played. Justin feels his second door right now compared to trevor lawrence being i i just because trevor lawrence has a head start just to give you the little. Yes plenty of time to go to give you a little bit of an update on. What's going on in wisconsin when we last convened here friday. They had about a dozen positive tests. Now it's up to twenty two actually twenty two. And they're going to make a decision on their game against purdue they're scheduled to play purdue on saturday they're gonna try to make that decision tomorrow. Jake shaking his head. I would agree with you. It seems unlikely in any way shape form that they could play that game. And that's the one team that's one thing who knows what happens. Moving forward yes indeed. Here's one more team in the big ten. I want to talk about not ohio. State not wisconsin. It's time for straight talk brought to you by straight talk. Wireless straight up. The most head-scratching decision in the big ten on saturday was mel tucker and michigan state. Coming off a seven turnover. Performance losing to rutgers traditionally one of the worst teams in all of college football graduation zubac stunning michigan for his first career win dropping. Jim harbaugh even further down. Sixty seven games into his tenure. Some people think this is the worst loss day have had considering where little brother quote unquote michigan. State is shadow to my card. If you're listening here's harbaugh after the game on the debacle against the spartans would be in rhythm and then we wouldn't we wouldn't be in rhythm and then we'd get it and it just didn't Didn't finish the drives as And being rhythm throughout the drive Like we wanted to straight talk wireless. No contract no compromise. As i mentioned key. This is sixty seven games in harbaugh. Tenure this is his sixth year on the job and people are saying on saturday. It was the worst performance of the harbaugh. Era is that acceptable michigan guy. But i would think for those. That are michigan. Guys at the charles. Woodson's in amani toomer guys that i know they certainly would look at this. As this is not working out braila network. It's not working out and it's okay. I mean yes. He went to michigan. And he's beloved by the michigan fateful. And all of those things but sometimes you have to think what your head in your heart in when you look at this situation if you're okay with ohio state in always going to the citrus bowl or something like that then outback bulbs they do a lotta outback bulls michigan he e. If you're okay with that. I'm fine winning. I'm you know. I personally feel and believe that. He's a better. Nfl coach then. He is a college coach because he may wear you out after five four five seasons because of his personality. At least that's what we saw when he was with the forty niners Doesn't mean the second time around now remember. Only a head coach the national football league for one organization. That was the forty niners. This notion that he wears you out all the time. He only that only happened in san francisco. We don't know if it'll happen a second time around. I think he's a better he quipped style mentality for the nfl. Because when you go into coaching in college you gotta almost be like a guy that is looking out for the kids. Best interest in all sorts of positive outlooks on things. our necessarily. Yeah father figured. I don't necessarily think the people recruits even though we get some top dues once they in there and they realize all is in. That's kind of been. That's kind of been recruiting situation and michigan's they don't look at look up. How many guys. He's recruited that finished with him at michigan throughout those four years that they signed up for they leave they transfer out. They just do a lot of it is because his style. But i think you'll be a hell of a coach in the nfl man and be interesting to see what happens this upcoming year because his last year of his deal. He's he's close to around ten million dollars. I will be to buy out for michigan. They did choose to move on from him. Ten million dollars. If i'm the jets for instance that'll be looking for a new coach. Anybody else no coach. I'll pay to bring him on board. If you're the jets. I no problem no no. I like him pro. We're presented by progressive insurance. The eagles lose the turnover battle and win. Thanks for listening to keyshawn. Jay williams zubin make sure to subscribe rate in review. You can hear the show live weekdays at six eastern on. Espn radio espn news. All we ever you stream your audio.

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Silver & Black Turf Ep. 13

Silver & Black Pride

1:08:08 hr | 1 year ago

Silver & Black Turf Ep. 13

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It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for and we saw what the effects were with that were the Oakland Raiders beat inhaled on to a win over the Chicago Bears Twenty four hundred keep it as close as they did 'cause I don't trust the bears offense and I was really interested to see what Khalil Mack was going to do against how will the Ola going to be against opponents in thus far the owners held up pretty well listen this is it's traded to the Chicago bears for draft picks in within those draft picks you saw guys like Josh Jacobs get drafted so many other guys will get in doggone good going into the bye weekend that's brighter fan should be ecstatic right now the raiders are currently three two the silver and black turf so it was going on Scott man how you doing man I'm fantastic you know it's it's been just about all good news you all today definitely going to talk about the raiders win across the Pond Anna Khalil Mack on Amilcar Moog into that as well as Derek actually looked pretty well in the last game they beat the Chicago bears will everybody was amped up for because of Khalil Mack now Khalil Mack Sousse former team how much hash how much should I say lack of love he was GonNa have against the Oakland raiders a team that traded him one to me That game was interesting because the raiders stayed in it I didn't expect the bears to be oh for how long it could've Jaguar WanNa be down with the silver and black is that even possible in yes Jon Gruden wants to switch with defense is that even a good idea we'll get into any more here coming up on the turf the silver and Black Pride podcast network right here on dictator on So this was the game you see what Khalil Mack going to do this with the first time that Khalil Mack faces former team it just happened to be across the did throw any touchdowns but he finished twenty five thirty two for two hundred twenty nine yards no sax solo held up really well which I was really pleased collation is silver and black bribe podcast network I your host camel tune alongside with my partner Scott winner we got a jam actually landed the raiders definitely needed more than the bears the on this was a win dead Derek Carr and I believe Josh Jacobs needed to avows we did talk about that old sky been beating until you all heads like a drum the whole entire season about what is the old boy to do jazz jacobs rise to stardom he's been on fire the last couple of weeks away break that down get into five tests Bertha gets out the door times he's there sometimes he's not is there an injury we don't know he didn't show up during the Super Bowl so when you look at except for volunteers `perfect as far as rates go you know but but as far as you know this is a long grueling road trip and the raiders are looking pretty waited refused to pay him the money that he felt he was worth So I listen Derek are good well I wanna say but even better than that you go back all the way to Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson because right now in through five games he on I know a lot of us wish that it was back in Oakland that would have been surreal than so but hey expand put the game in London those are hallowed names and I get it five games but this kid just he runs to daylight so first round draft picks like that and in the last ten years it's usually not ideal however however if you running back is not for me is not usually a value play you know because there's so much expectations with them and then I mean you take a look at the last couple of ones fire I love what they're doing with him as far as the structure in the offense of is he's he's been able to really right now he's lighten everything up he's exciting he's exciting that line he makes the defense honest when he's in the game they can do so many things is the career raiders leader in scrimmage yards for all time now he's only got five games I get that but well and he can catch and he can block anyways he's amazing listen I I hear this fast in a generational talent and it's a straight from Ron woolfe you find a generational talent then you take you take them in the first round doesn't matter what position they play if you find a generational town I'm not saying the Josh is a generational talent it's too soon to know as far as from the outside but I'll tell you what oh no doubt I mean you know I you know I'm on record and I could do I continue to say this we talked about this a first round draft pick as but you think about Marcus Sallah he's he's done better in his first five games and Marcus Allen did he's done better than Bo Jackson his first five games I'm just dynamic situation in all honesty readers haven't had this kind of resident back there sit a healthy McFadden ahead of himself he studied the playbook watching the film he's taken one week at its on which any rookie should do and also to he's getting Gordon held out and he's not happy and the you know you got oh boy girly in La don't even know what's going on there you know put in the offense really understand offense in these picking it up every week he seems to be getting better each and every week offset the same status that you've seen and yes it is impressive with Josh Jacobs was done in the last five weeks As opposed to what we see from Bo Jackson at times prior Darren McFadden even Marcus Allen a great marcus out but let's keep it all in perspective as well it is getting the key block you talk about him being in in the passing situation Josh Jacobs a lot of times I've noticed this a you to boost his confidence because we all know Josh acres with Seiko couple of gangs back he was working his way back into their fold and Joshua so well and of course you know especially against the bears and that situation you know they were max-protect on so many different levels they were Max protecting schemed that can help you transition into into the pro game I think that's a huge kind of gets pushed under the radar uh of excuse me back decades out of the vaccine you effectively and give you some yards after in give you some worlds agree to keep the they were able to bring on Josh Jacobs very slowly they had a plan for him the moment they drafted him probably even before they drafted him they had a plan for him. He's amazing on leap blocks you look at his touchdowns you look at Josh Jacobs touchdowns and a lot of times more often than not alex gold is leading the way he is I think you have to give Jon Gruden and that offense of all you know the offense coordinator of in in the running backs coach a lot of credit because it's five games this is a rookie he was the third back in Alabama system under nick citing that performs well but the the stuck with the plan executed will in Josh Jacobs also if you remember is also taking all of this strive he's not getting it with most successful rookie season as running back for the Oakland Raiders in Oakland riders could only finish fifth absolutely and you talk about the people around him a lot of options and of course their car didn't get any sex either so talk about that office of line you know what I'm saying it did not disappoint twenty six carries for one hundred twenty three yards two. TV's This kid like I said I can't Stop Bradford enough about this game this kid is on but he absolutely coached a well-designed game plan for that offensive line they gave Jacobs Tom Cable you gotta give him a lot of credit and a lot of us have you know been kind of you know holding with bated breath how he's GonNa do this season the help he's getting guys like Derek Carr around these guys like the Andrew Washington those guys are a tight knit bunch in what you have guys like that around you I want to mention Alex Gold and that fullback and has just way late people he lays a thumping and thank God we've moved on beyond that you have to give a lot of credit to the team that they had intact because a lot of guys could afforded under the pressure some impressive wins which listen I look at the schedule right we've talked about the schedule Miss Utah the National League Zapped me what he's continuing to their second in AFC west at three into which is surprising to me I didn't expect them to be they designed him a lot of times it's hot read but he's a it's a it's a read option where sometimes you know he has to choose to stay in block he has to pick up the they've made but you've got to give the players a ladder Kredi for maintain themselves making sure they will boys making sure that we're focused on what the deal was what the job they have to do at hand which was win football games enviable execute effectively and Jon Gruden is one of those dues he's continuing it is a play right so they beat the broncos that we know the broncos were not that team they start out a one four about who they're playing we gotta talk about this the Ad Nauseam within I look at the teams at the this will you know this'll in the seat and I thought it was gonNA take a little bit more time for them to kind of jail in you know just be able to place a quality train's going down field and I think this kid is going to be sensational at USC continue to keep pace what he's doing natural Abdu anybody no you can't even know even though they are fundable once fortunately Chicago was able to capitalize on a budget that those are the little things that you have to win player coming in and so he'll stay in a block even though he might be the hot read or he might have a pattern to go out there where they're gonNA throw him the ball but because he blocked aw Within I also had to look at things I look at with this team you know there's the reinsert when I know we only week five on a by the well there's no doubt that Green Bay is going to be another you know measuring post but at the same time the bears are nothing to sneeze it was unbelievable the offense performance that the raiders put on that defense the other thing is I wouldn't you know template team with a quality significant win in that to me is kind of a situation where I can't give too much credit instead older three even the ability in the one thing I could say about Josh Jacobs which are hope they could use him use him even more so is ability to catch out of the backfield because sleep on colts the colts what did they do last week oh they beat the chiefs that's something so the raiders beat the Colts Colt. Pt beat the colts in so to me they haven't had a quality significant win yet goes in his class anybody else on the team just continue to play football the way he's comfortable in knowing the place out of out of execute and if he continues to do that I think he's going to have one to to ruin teams as a future as far as giving them nightmare instead of their dreams you know we always said Gruden wants to crush your dreams not in give you nightmare way the NFL works NFC Games are only good basically for head to head matchups for playoff consideration or just the winner life kind of one of those things you know it's a any given Sunday kind of situation so I you know colts just didn't look AH granted they are defensive team and raiders put up more yards against them since Khalil Mack Bender there's been you know in Patrick Mahomes and you know he's hobbled a little bit after that game they got beat up the physicality game so while Agreement Look at AFC conference head to head matchups and then you get into the you know when you start getting down towards the coin flip so it's going to be interesting to see well probably the one of the most teams that Ann Rogers as as been under center four in the last few years so they can get a quality win out of green bay good against the raiders being Oh and but they sure they sure put a lot of pressure and a lot of eat on they're gonNA play in Green Bay which I consider NFL Mecca it is the the hollered shroud shrine of the of the NFL the jewel of the media hype in the circus that surrounded this team even on the scene they bring a great deal of it upon themselves would hard maximum in some other things in movies worst officiating games against the Raiders I've seen in a long time I mean but they overcome that they overcame all of that and off they're not measured not one of the first measuring sticks when it comes to two playoff consideration and you look at you look at divisional the two in their second in the AFC west but they have who have they really played at challenge don't they they got a quality win from the only thing that they've played that really in believed that this team is on to something greater than what we've seen in front of us because of a record of three inches and how they play there is is going to be a good test for the team not not only that but playing after a win they seem to sometimes this team start to finish of every game you know they've gotten beat you gotten blindsided. Yeah the raiders the raiders there that's a young team and they're gonNA make mistakes was a he c- he called an audible and once again you know the person that was supposed to get the audible didn't get to audible and that's just an execution situation the other thing is of course I think Minnesota was a wakeup call for Jon Gruden and his coaching staff because they're adapting faster and in game six what I liked about the bears game was they made a lot of young mistakes a young team makes to me that fumble was dare car find that a lot with young teams that being said the came back from adversity I mean they were getting horrible calls against him as well but Derek Hough in you know when I look at it look at this team and I look at the aftermath of the Antonio Brown situation had a quality team where the Kansas City chiefs they got blown out now have an opportunity coming up after the bar the play the the Green Bay packers look extremely is going to be a measuring stick and it's an important game the one thing I would I would I would mention and and just like a bears game and I said this also the because of the emotionally lex down at times I'm not saying they don't give Africa's that's one thing this team has done all season they have given one hundred percent effort from you know playcalling in the middle of the game has gotten dramatically dramatically improved whereas in a chiefs game in the Minnesota game they didn't adapt they went down and finished it out and in her defence closed it out you know so this team play with anybody it and look adjust eggers I mean I know he had at the get with receptions F- about twenty are the sole in a game against Chicago's well with this kid is a legitimate at that point handed the first loss in a play the chiefs chiefs took up through the woods yet in a loss of the Vikings L. Nece schedule I see at least one two three four we have an opportunity but it's GonNa be very very tough playing at Lambeau in Game West Coast Team Blind did you win they have yet to bring home a quality win against equality top notch team in as I look at the schedule again green bay which luckily enough to the changing circumstances of the game or here's the problem I first of all I don't think they can play with anybody I don't think they've reached that level yet because we've seen yeah four four four opportunities get quality win in those are against the packers it every game every week is new adventure for the team obviously and this is to me what I'm seeing is an amalgamation of of the Twenty fifteen twenty situation whole team as and the the people that are coming in the next man up they're stepping up you know lions there cupcakes there's no I'm waiting to see well yeah absolutely I mean got five opportunity to get quality with the wrestler custody against the Jaguars tightened the broncos bengals. They're all cupcakes to record that they they play some they played some good football in between in the mix of those games Like I said before muffing is they have yet to have acquired Nyan coming off a bye sometimes could be a blessing sometimes it could be a curse because a layoff you never know but they have they have check out the American enjoyer Texans chargers in chiefs once again in aransas about your cupcakes walk is less not get over height in overly celebratory when it comes to the raiders because they're currently three into that is Minnesota Vikings in those two back to back weeks they've been taken to the woodshed now granted the colts they were average team the coach on the find their identity they did they did against the Kansas City chiefs and I do believe the chiefs will they'll probably lose to the chiefs again because cheese are just that much of a better team in the Nagai shellacked as you mentioned against perfect has stepped up and done a bang-up job and you know I mean you've got good in there and he's done hey I'm Spencer Hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says who's Andrew Luck pretty much closer to the beginning of the season so they had their they're trying to find their identity I get that but they still got the play on Sundays you still have to show for it Gaspara behind the scenes look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts up job until Jackson gets there on the line so I mean there are there are signs there's still trying to find out where they're going with wide receiver they just released Jj Nelson Sixteen season where they're getting their sea legs under they're playing hard to plan they're playing with passion they've rallied around the bond has perfect they charge against Fox to the chargers at at at do sparking December twenty second so far and they picked up that kid from buffalo who had us naked naked incident we'll get into that Abrahams and you're not replacing paper is amazing but Eric Harris stepped in and done a bang-up job Moro you're not replaced descript to riff on what that means and basically what I mean is it's all spoiled every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants eric hairs as it took them a little bit to find find that Guy Eric Harrison step to become that guy take you know for for for it later on the show hey what's going on everybody woke up the silver and black Turkey exclusively you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP in middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now major pressing policy issues in tech like facebook's content moderation around doing great youtube harassment plan or lack there of and whether or not the government should break Amazon which most of them are Cincinnati Bait do you know this do racked up over four and a half million dollars in fines just for the you when it comes to the profit margin of the leak any any would they wanna push as the excitement of the league I understand perfectly talked to influential people around the world attack like Microsoft founder Bill Gates and other tech exactly founder of lime scooters the CEO beyond me we've also been talking a lot of reporters and academics but as the old raider way in the old raider way was hard nose not Ground Smash Smash Mouth I'm glad you mentioned by birth your favorite player because I can't wait to get into the continue to play like this the NFL has changed they're trying to quote unquote protect the players. They're mainly protecting quarterbacks because that's what moves me tweet versus the NFL this should be on Monday I roar forty my smack now because there's no way that he should be in the NFL playing like this you can listen to it you can hear all that more if you subscribe the virtuous wherever you get your podcast bluff Rita listen and join us so again subscribe to the virtuous wherever you get your podcast we'll see there The suspension ego to be suspended for the final twelve games at twenty nine hundred series which I eighty Scott is Ryan was Bertha to the road restall up I've told me Giddy is a problem I don't have what the NFL that you have seen Eh few other people have a problem with the NFL's far as their hearts people believe a Har- stiff penalty punishment that they gave birth now maybe should and then every Friday I sit down with executive editor Peter Bone and Paul Miller for chat show we cover the latest in Tech News and product reviews of our other reporters around the verge that show is party he's been playing he doesn't get the message that you cannot play this way this is not I mean he put let's go back okay twenty thirteen right of he's a constant repeat offender this dude is not get the point do you cannot play that way there's no way with the finger pointing in do has crossed the line so many times it's ridiculous in the reason why they suspended the way they did is because he's a repeat offender he twisted the ankles of Cam Newton in Greg Olson as he tackled which is dirty then twenty fifteen the game is the raiders happened to win now here's my name went back to an appeal the industrial he celebrated the injury Ramey foster again perfect james in James Harrison got into a pregame warmups should I go on this dude is a habitual lines he grabbed the dude he grabbed Cam Newton as he was tackling in at once cam hit the ground he started twisting his ankle it's on film I'm not making this you cannot compare what he's done on the field and get mad at the NFL for penalizing him versus other places I saw the stuff on twitter where a lot of people say will is for the hit the helmet to helmet here the the the the unnecessary roughness a clothesline tackles like this do I think he's still belongs into into w once if I'm not mistaken that's fine he's a nice guy off the field I'm sure he really but on the field is what we're talking about we all know that volunteers perfect spending for the rest of the season for the hit that he plays against the Indianapolis coast absolutely no problem the raiders decide where one year they pretty much can kiss him goodbye over but this is not the first it here's why I'm riding with the NFL when it comes to the speech impetus birth it seven years that he'd play football we're even at the crowd when he was in Indianapolis after he committed the I mean come on man like this is not the way you could you could play football uh-huh so again I've never met demand personally I hear he's a very nice guy I think I believe you said you've met you ran into Fine for a facemask penalty against Fred Jackson The Buffalo Bill later two weeks later at twenty thirteen October twenty thirteen that was off the field we're talking strictly on the field with we're talking on the radio we're talking strictly on field the only thing to compare it to stomping on somebody with cleats I mean it is if you WanNa talk apples and apples apples and apples I'm sorry I disagree I won't ever agree with that and then later on in the game when he went Asca Greg Olsen on a play side he really tackled him which was speared spear Stephen He'll with his helmet then twenty fourteen it is I've I've read it suite of of seeing what you which written about capers fly real high sponsors Bursary Eagle tackle which was fine did he started to twist the ankle of Greg Olson to which he was paralyzed for income the NFL did penalized was my man from Kansas City that add the alleged child re- kill our Req- because football I totally get that but this is not the day in age for in his of the do is is a habitual lies that every single person but the people that are that are having an issue the NFL Paul Runyan you mean the guy that laid out spirit somebody long after this is an incident for which was five games the longest on the field suspensions been five games and that involves thirty stitches and somebody he wasn't spear and nobody he was a helmet to helmet contact on a receiver that was getting back up off the ground or if it has a history the five games thirty stitches how'd you dump it on somebody verses alone and dominant sue people call him a dirty he has is he has he done things that that will raise eyebrows absolutely daddy dance around injury written hits on planes has done a lot of stuff this is not one or two incidents this is not even three incidents visits a history Louis chances you can't sit appeared saying that the NFL has not given this man numerous chances to try to change the style of play whistle like Big Ben Style Paul Runyan this the same Paul Runyan that said if I did this anywhere else they would throw me in jail but here nfl they paid remember the hidden the devastating heading put on a Antonio Brown it's what he's sixteen but this is a guy that could see us play the way her this guy does not get it clean what did he say when you say twisted ankles he twisted there and you for what he has done and yes the NFL has come to as at as drawing the line when it comes to this type of behavior because he hasn't changed the Paul Runyan and Times Derrick Brooks deadpool and Derrick Brooks ended a quarterback careers rich Gannon's career a history this do has had a history in a grouchy as long as your arm in my art combined as far as him putting the deadly of let me see somebody's go hit back and this time they didn't feel tired of being slapped in the face but his antics about his style of the play because he had been worn he's been Russian he owned on it he do he has done things he hasn't done any stopping he he has gotten a plethora of incidents that happened meeting devante birthday so via burpee has to take accountability and responsibility stopped on players is he gone for the season don't think so I say Paul Ryan Oh man he's got has association this is the penalty does the right penalty for it Ivan said it I haven't tweeted it out there's many people you know many raider fans many writers you just flip to that page in the collective bargaining agreement that says day can they they can do this as far as other than reporters who feel the same way you know five six games yeah okay but a whole season for NFL giving them numerous opportunity to change his style of play and he refuses to doing so you continue to to slap in the face eventually much overkill six games five games I could have I would have been I have been right there with you out of Said Yep you know he he knew he was under under as long as it doesn't matter the past I look at the each individual situation I do this with every day I did this goodell has that power just to just to do it to anybody arbitrarily where is the escalation policy of onfield situations in the collective bargaining agreement even handbooks that given a rule changes they may be completely a aware to all players not just fight test perfect what you all violent and it still hasn't happened in nothing has changed it's so now it's high time just send a message in the message was we're not going to continue to stand for this associated in the NFL but the NFL has the power to suspend anybody without cause arbitrarily that's Roger Goodell's power that's good come on man come on man you you you sitting up here trying to defend do that has a rich is all there's without 'cause this is they can without 'cause they'll say this without goals this is overkill this is very into his helmet didn't get a penalty for helmets and there was history but we are this but you want to Oh has a doesn't matter about this street returning did it did it did it look malicious one of those issues look no what got to compare apples and oranges if you don't can't ride with the NFL when the NFL's making Guam listen what I'm saying that hit or even further couple heads today that they showed none of them were malicious now the only the only thing that was just foot the national football these of what they're gonNA stoller and not tolerate and he ignored apparently he's ignored it because he continues to play the same way your hand and doing things that he had no business doing in playing the way he said he has no business playing when it comes to hit because if the NFL is taking now that guy if they did have a kid on him he got suspended for three or four games I will be totally with that especially if the guy didn't have a long standing history is what I'm saying is yes it should have been a penalty on hitting Derek Carr of underachieve I agree with you on that okay but that didn't happen support the all but we all know justice every case is different we all know every case is different like Pacman Jones using Amari Cooper head African history history if we had to bring this day we get to bring a business listen what I'm saying this I'm saying stand in there saying okay we're trying to protect players or unquote if that's the standard they're taking and you're looking at the history has gotten personal fouls though so all the time but this do you still have the personal personal foul call this was if it's malicious or not malicious if the if the if it comes back inconclusive guess what the ruling is going to be if they think it's malicious is gonna be malicious when I look at a guy like volunteers who has a history of these kinds of of of malicious kits in weather is suspect of perfect they're not gonna make every cost you and I both know that referees Miss Calls all the time just alluded to a few moments ago about bad refereeing in there's other evidence that proves that he wasn't if it's inconclusive they gonNA ride with winning on a ride with the original call which they felt it was malicious they gonna ride with that you look at a situation where the NFL mix it up to go along when it comes to the raiders does a lot of it Oh okay we did a study I got a buddy of mine that you can't I mean we're talking year after Year Regime Change Organizational Change coaching changes and they're still all the way up at the top year after year doing year after year after year come on man you can't justify that there's no way you can justify it's easy to justify both not so what I'm saying is you can't compare guys that if he other guys and then get the personal file calls shouldn't have got personal that's Asinine to sit up here and say that his doesn't matter when his dude has had a history of heating up his escalated all the way you sitting escalated for the whole season not when people what you're saying as far as he should have received five game suspension because he had committed a prior infraction in the last three years so I get that part but the fact he kept liked volunteers marcy but the fact remains Scott anybody else that may be listening is the fact that this do has a history of being year after year on average I think only a couple of years has another team actually surpassed raiders. We're talking it is off the so we're going to ban you for the whole season I don't care how much history he is you don't know that everybody you have to put in his his signed it doesn't exist they wanted to take over I'm telling you there is saying why the perfect only had that last time he made a hit on somebody was against Tonio Brownback I believe twenty sixteen and then he did this hit I'd be more on board the game against the Chicago bears so which I agree with you there was a lot of bad refer not just a night game with a few other games that I witnessed they will have that refereeing in in arcs we're talking they make up things like an index card we're going to bring an index card on the field to see if there's a first down we're going to give Mo we're going to get Mohur a penalty for laying on a quarterback yet Khalil Mack does the same thing didn't get a penalty same game we're going to give somebody a pit particular Jaguar lurking out there on the prowl trying to be free from his dean of of defeat when it comes to play on doc that's GonNa throw the ball to you and reviewed it and guess what now they didn't nothing impression on telling you I'm telling you you are anybody else do about it because he's gone you believe it was unjustified I believe it was justified so unfortunately we're GONNA have to be it was just listen it was justified because of of the history what he's done you don't get to go you don't get to go well that's questionable call what what how many times oh you're saying he's talking about but that has nothing Scott that has nothing to do that Sundays in the NFL in that particular Jaguar happens to be Jalen Ramsey now there have been a lot of teams that have been trying to offer trae packages so the Jacksonville it calls in those games had why is it I go ahead queen what I'm saying is this Jaguars I believe with Philadelphia Eagles one there was talk about a few other teams we saw him in Houston just about a week or so ago play an offer to pass interference call on a on a on an interception and they're gonNA call that on him and he's going to say their cars to say hey if you're Jalen Ramsey anytime so they're trying to do everything they can to keep him in Jacksonville is simply not working is starting to become a problem hanging out with a particular quarterback Shawn Watson Post Game but they they came out with reports okay we agree to disagree on lavish because see but what I do see what I can't see is the fact that there's if it hasn't already in one interesting thing that I noticed Jonathan Abrams you talk about Jonathan Abrams. I can't wait for him to get back on the field I think he's a great talent it over a discontinues is when I talk about a game when I talk about a poorly officiated game I'm talking about it has been that way for the last three or four alkyl sure they should have but did they not get a but I guarantee you they're going to be watched just like Perfect has been for years now it is at it they've had how many resumes hold on because commit the most fractions no I get that you're calling a an office of panels interference because you think that was picked play but why did I told him the ball if you know how many times you see somebody go out and Simul. ESPN's for state we saw a lot of various espn show on some other shows that have been out there he's really hitting media circuit pretty tough just stunts statistics on penalties in the in the Super Bowl era do you realize the raiders the most penalized team in history. NFL and it's not even close one thing I've noticed he's definitely defended Derek Carr Afar down over the chance to watch that show Because Stephen a Smith as usual trying to call host for the fourth quarter comebacks since twenty fifteen when it comes to win which is absolutely true actually checked it out Jonathan. Abrams is absolutely correct in that they moved to Las Vegas we know the parks about movements vegas the taxes are as high as they are in California so that's a plus the team is actually going to be merging as far as trying to build up there it's to build their squad they'll have a lot of money in the bank as far as being able to acquire dairy car and John Abram drops some necessary informational Stephen Ice Moosehead as it pertains Derek Carr because he said car at the saying that he was down there for the specialist looking at his back and let me tell you something Jacksonville Jaguars not trying to release of a level of talent that he's had but we also notice if you ask you may notice it's two Scott has affected John Abram has been real active in the media I love watching him play it was a damn shame that he had to go out a week one we didn't get it we haven't had a chance to really see him perform way of needs against the raiders calls going against raiders. So you say you're saying the League has for the Oakland Raiders I have I have a big it is okay you can say hey if you want if you want justice justice has to be served across another thing to aim spoke about with Jalen Ramsey now offered through various circles that Oakland raiders seemed to be at the top Taylor Ramsey missed as a team that he would love to play for in implant guy that he would want to play with whether it's this year or whether it's next year suspicion about that yes okay well the bottom line is this be that as it may the bottom line is this Birth is gone for the season in his nothing at the Writers Accident Secondary that the raiders definitely need especially in the defensive side of the bull so John Abram pretty much earlier we either via trade of agency so there's a lot of perks antenna Ramsey Kasit in secondary pretty much adds significant debt We have been defending Jalen Ramsey said that he would love to see Jalen Ramsey be obliterated nation was interesting because Jalen Ramsey little height hey I'm the editor and verge host of the verge cast even revamping the more Marlena coming out with episodes twice a week sometimes even at third bonus episode on Tuesday not when somebody net car and doesn't even get a penalty for it and now we somebody who it is it was just a four is is is is just something that we have on a wishlist in Raider nation well there I believe that there's a lot of smoke there and there is it's a tweet that was sent out about John Abram speaking about that so is it possible that we see Jalen Ramsey in silver ro oh schools twenties it don't make no difference Peloton doing I'll get them negative from the east of my mouth especially with him being okay we're almost near halfway the season he's I don't see anybody unless there's a sense of urgency and you have to decide whether you want to be a competitor in a very weak division very competitive division and vision really making a strong pitch Jalen Ramsey then I think you get in you have to enter sweepstakes because you would have to do is you have to prevent the Kansas City chiefs and say hey there is and he he shuts people down they throw away from do you feel do the raiders in Los Angeles chargers coming in and taking a talent top Tier Janna Jalen Ramsey this guy you're going to have to see twice in the division where you see that is another team creeping in like maybe the Philadelphia Eagles or the Kansas City chiefs or even the Los Angeles chargers your you know to ride with teams as far as cover guy absolutely the top five receivers in elite the top five receivers he he's covered more than three hundred this talk about the Jacksonville Jaguars you're going to get top dollar for him a till the trade deadline and of course trade deadline you you can't do anything about it ended up being that good but right now there's nobody out there that's that good and there's nobody in the league that good and you're basically can put him on an island only those in that building know whether that that relationship is repairable and what their course of action is going to be they've got a couple of choices absolutely a baller he there's nobody there's nobody in college that's coming out that's as good as him you know what I mean they might they might more than three hundred targets he has kept them that quarterback rating under seventy that's how I mean they ain't nobody cloth we're talking about top five receivers matched up against he is is what one more year left on his deal before he becomes a free agent yeah he's and he's his fifth years picked up so Jacksonville best a corner in the league period bar none in fact I mean I is he a dion sanders type he's not he's not the biggest pickoff guy the fifth year and so that's that's the thing we're talking like thirteen point seven million dollar on extent you know fifth year option but and they feel like they can get that piece and they can at least make playoff run then you pull the trigger but you know they don't know coming a free agent I think the less you have to give up I think you give a I in the second I would not give up to first rounder suggested Ramsey are you going to get something out of it because I could cut both ways and we wanna be competitor and we want to have one have you know our best guy on the team because absolutely does guy on that team and you're going to want to to make a run with him well that's great but what if he doesn't want to run more he just Kinda I'm hurt I'm limping every year so I think the raiders comic can play the waiting game in seeing the the canvas and saying okay you make the absolute point and that's that's the chess match the game within the game for for Mayo in Gruden to are they going really out there what's really smoke what's really fire In the coast a gift to the end of the season even after the season is over with at the Jalen Ugh you want to get the you WanNa get probably get two first round picks for him I mean he's he's I I'm not saying he's Khalil Mack but he is the to you got one to urgency as far as how the team's doing but the other one is do you want to face him twice a year in the League for the next five six years charges that could be interested because of the fact that his agent David Ma Luga forgive me about mispronounces last name but you definitely interested I agree with that I think I don't know if you pull the trigger now you wait till the end of the year in the something because I think the close used to be I needed to see this I need to do that he and he's playing he's playing it pretty close to the vest and using his his his own leverage es to other clients on the chargers which happen to be Casey Hayward endure with James and they're all very tight knit group so there's there's rice from Memphis one came on a severe there's a surprise team became optic at several weeks ago is there was a surprise thing that could be instagram twitter so that's about that could be a viable peace is low and who drafted him who who who drafted him feel do the raiders feel like is Mike May Actually Johnson Phillip can make a run because if they feel that working as well I mean we've heard the reports about the cassidy cheese being interested in I believe that they are interested in trying to acquire the services jalen Ramsey but also believe that the Oakland raiders great relationship between the chargers David who happens to be Jason Ramsey's agent in Darwin's been trying to recruit Jalen out to La for Lord knows how lows if you typically speaking are less injured than say safeties and middle linebackers and such so there you're looking at you can you can't prognosticate but they did dam sure do stat research on this stuff and corner is one of the areas that get beat up I mean hell again hey before or the speed the absolute through until Tom Brady and company retire listen the way he'd gone out unfortunately he's top tier to a board doncaster So you never know what could happen I'm not wishing because in in Kansas city's out there lurking has been reports about Kansas City lurking but also too you can't get the there's a surprise but I believe Zwei it's it's why it's such a highly sought after position on defense just like the number one best them defensive ends they seem to unless you have a divisive plan to take down the patriots as long as Tom Brady and bill belichick are there Gus Bradley one that yeah so I mean there is a connection Iran Gus Bradley I'm like yeah there's no doubt about it and I'm sure they can are a team that he could go to and flourish with it may take about two to three years within the really getting once they move on in Michael tearing it up but there's there's ways of getting around Patrick mom Tom Brady and the Patriots is extremely tough. You better not ain't happening you're right you're absolutely right the raiders do have to have a plan for doing that I believe I actually Jon Gruden I spoke to Jon Gruden about this is going to be tough into the Super Bowl it's gonna be even tougher now that you have a guy like Pat Mahomes in your division the right direction but it ain't the Super Bowl in ultimately trying to win the super bowl so he had enough to do that WHO's on the on the chargers that drafted who's who's running the defense over a talked to yesterday I love his personality the game but who who who just hasn't example who knows you know you can't you can't is the Patrick mahomes and achieve and dealing with that you have them two games a year so it is within your power in that division to at least plan question is will he be of what he'd be still up to four and three to four years because this game is as brutal as it is your chance to I mean who would have thought German James Would Have Gone Lydia that's a good point and I don't believe anybody reader DACIANS GONNA they're not gonNA they're not gonna Poo Poo Hello Dion Sanders army tackle nobody and you know what like I said look the injuries that we've seen like I said with Darwin James Years Ago last year and a half ago and you know he he he is definitely aware of the Patriot way but the biggest thing is trying to get him there's money thing there's a flexibility

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NFL Week 6, MVP, and Geoff Schwartz

Against All Odds with Cousin Sal

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NFL Week 6, MVP, and Geoff Schwartz

"L. C. T. we've embarked on a massive world tour and are excited to experience all the thrills and boredom that entails to help us process our own experiences hello friends welcome to the trailer for the road taken with C. T. and bail I'm all podcast platforms arsenal they beat standard liaise for nothing the beautiful arena also saw West Ham Crystal Palace Crystal Palace was plus the nobody well i WanNa talk all you but I especially need to check in with Harry I haven't heard Harry was tastes got this new job he's Writing Online sports gambling twenty we start the second half again drink beer anymore very odd normally we'd leave you know the stadiums games over you can start drinking again in the stadium last year to London and they're different things that go on there then the states obviously I like at the Arsenal game and the hi welcome to against all odds puzzle and sow we are taping this on Wednesday morning we fell on jobs are in jeopardy squeezing it four hours a day the new job took him to London for the bears are raiders game which was a fun one but also I want to hear all about it I real quick what ascend during a lunch hour of breakfast our or both in Harry's case he'll producer Jim Cunningham is here what's happened in Jim much sal how you doing Jim you had another three hundred underdog they won the game so that was fun and again yeah bears and raiders now I was on Clay Travis this morning outkick the coverage and we discussed I know he went afterwards and stayed open for like three hours very weird marijuana drinks right you don't have any desire for regular winner that's two weeks in a row the Patriots spray you make it look easy you just took the Patriots to defeat the redskins it was a little touching going the first quarter but they happen how was it yeah I the guys that I talk we're fantastic working with them great time at a lot of fun we went to soccer games went to the words of the odds of the trifecta Harry Brother Bry Darren the parlay kid what's happening fellas what's going on south up what's going on got it all right we'll have this guy explained to you it's a little blue from my liking I don't need to say that every week I you know what I like gyms to pick let's just go flex their muscles and that was an easy easy double digit win exactly I figure if you're going to bet on someone bet on the people that are probably going to cheat to win so yes think halftime at the game they just like had free beer at the pub like like outside like like people are just pounding beers like crazy but then when the game on the West Ham game Saturday can't drank during the game I didn't know that he didn't know that either we can't drink during the game in the arena but if you step outside of the Rena you can he's noticed that yeah you know you know when in Rome or or you know whatever anyway the betting parlors there went into account storm come up with one someone said Gems Khanna Link Guests G. U. E. S. S. who I get it I like it's fun I don't get it nothing anyone will have a problem with that also on the line they didn't fare as well one and two with their best batsman of gambling barons of betting my wizards wagering my tarries introduction video he was a reveal and he's swinging shirt he's shirtless outside some arena it looked like you got winded after like the fourth row followed betting parlors I gotta say betting parlors suck they have as their and they don't know what to do they don't I you're allowed to NFL but they have no idea flight sitting next to Harry on a business class flight would be does he class it up does he wear sleeveless shirt and gym shorts we will agree that his twitter account is impossible to follow so I thought this was the only under in there they didn't know what the over under was though ten pain but still overall the trip was great and actually adding into the stadiums all of a sudden some guy's starts all odds at g mail dot com that's where you can reach us by email someone wrote wrote in once I heard he was going to the UK for work I immediately imagined wants one always the way to go I mean I don't know how long you've had these powers to pick games but it's nice it rears its head over to two weeks okay some people suggested a name for your pick about the team's win over under is they've never heard of there was like six employees they had never heard of the word parlay in their life how dare on real puzzle soccer over there they'll rip your head off but did they rip your head off area chosen sal in Harry was doing over there right it was so hard to keep track of his locks his one eight locks has screaming my name outside of the the Tottenham's stadium where the bears and raiders applying make you want to say thank you to jazz this guy who was would you that email parlay kid what do they Harry's back did you think he would make it back I refuse to follow eleven also but there are so many times right yeah there's a lot of them Kinda dumpy they got like a Coupla slot machines in there but then it's mostly people betting way for the average person to hear about this experience of Harry's interest that I can match his previous salary if he's willing to relocate to New York and watch my kids full-time I know is a new job and it's it's like something he can manage one of my kids is already in a degenerate gamblers hall of fame. I don't know what that means so it could proceed to take Harry's advice on life thanks name withheld you went for that gone you men on this trip but I do want to say now there are videos of you will you shirtless when you took a picture with this guy because there's a video bri or poly kid jump in Oh and I mean honestly I tried explaining how to do a parlay that didn't get it they called it an accumulator and the one I gave him the teams they didn't I had an overall US killed my locking entitle Raheel many moneyline parlays he talked me down we'll have that interview later we're going to get into NBA next week MVP over unders conference in division how can they be say maybe not and then I swing that shirt topless announcer Jim Cunningham you have any thoughts on Harry Strip sette locks because he lost his other set of locks or something like that but but Harry did a nice job I listen great job by Harry's really making a name for himself we went over is pick he had the bears minus nine and a half on a on a line he wasn't lucky to win that but it was pretty nice all right I mean I didn't I didn't have to hear about it yeah I was hoping that Harry would be one of those assholes who comes back from visiting a place for five days and Mike picked up the accent calls the TV. The telly or something let's I'll do it with the TRIFECTA that will cover some of the other stuff with Simmons and house in two weeks but for now it's football I wanna read these stats real quick road teams forty eight Vikings Kirk cousins is a Jekyll and Hyde a beats up on the giants I love that game last week but that's not a very good defense real quick how did you what did you wear on the flight I don't imagine it was business class sweatpants baby nice encounter my walls three big games of the week what are we have philly at Minnesota what started off the Vikings favored by three it's moved to two and a half in some spots ares idea nobody that guarantees that I wanna be I WANNA be naked out out of percents nice excellent and how are you you said you went to West Twenty nine and one against the spread row dogs thirty four seventeen and one against the spread we know this all tightens up eventually favorites I know it's fun and your weekly Pool just pick a favorite thus he's a follower of a Oh he loves our show he said Harry Wright Harry from a but I love you guys and took a picture with them and forty four is the over on there it's hard to go off of what these teams did last week philly point the jets they had ten sacks they look solid though the week before Green Bay Thursday GonNa be on twitter antagonists he and brock got into a couple of weeks back. I don't know what happened you guys were arguing all asked him about it but this was no not that you're always went I felt like that was after the Auburn game that's right okay why spoke Monday and I was down in the dumps about the chiefs nation but you kept it going for fifteen seconds right yeah it was pretty discussing this looks really tired but I guarantee that was one b one c locks that he was going oh darren you mean like wash you mean taking Stanford when there were fifteen point dogs the thirty one forty six and one against the spread underdogs obviously the other way forty six thirty one in one vegas is not figured out these lines are GonNa go well he did just call a soccer football so I guess he did it you gotTa pull him back Dr Side Are we have a good show today Jeff swartz former NFL Lineman for eight years brother. Brian who do you like going into this game yeah I like the Eagles plus three I mean it just seems to me like a three point game either way when you look at Philly tell you that they really they really love their football over there and like it's it's not and always good to see south good to see can we even call to generate right now could you be called the degenerate if you're doing it for a living like living by the way one of US might be recording from the school today it's you hear any belting it's not Harry so the children out there but that's one on every corner right it's like a it's basically like a seven eleven nothing against them also manage a seven Perry the other side right yeah you know so I had the vikings also I liked them against my giants last week too and the Golden Nugget me new both had it I want to make of eighteen points Minnesota one last year and in that game couldn't spell comfortable and really effective as completed seventeen pass twenty one carrying Johnson with twenty thirty six against them and I think after beating the packers two weeks ago I mean this team has putting a competence going on the road and they wants right up you mean one of those as one as one person put it like it wish known Harry's one -cerned periods over brightens here I think one nine if you care about stats like this eagles scrimmage from album cook last week or cousins almost three hundred yards in the first half and easy win over the giant Minnesota's tuna at home so far this season they've won those games by an average damn I know you're a big fan of all kinds of ham chest out try out the other hands east handler wants Dan was good enough to what fans they were great there was something that the division so I think the vikings should be three point favorite at home I like them the win by at least that over tolls gone over and Eagles last six games on the road October kings the chargers teams like that let you down if they're favored but not the case you just don't know what kind of Kirk cousins you're getting here in Philly can't put together to solid games in a row it's impossible Casey I don't think should have any trouble scoring if what Matt Ryan did last week is any indication I know how Acacia the Vikings this week at minus three like someplace two and a half after that offensive performance in Chicago the biking did bounceback with over two hundred yards and that's including teams they play again to Atlanta Washington so I'm gonNA take the Vikings at minus three here at home to get it done and go three and now at home this season starches obviously coming off that horrific injury but it can keep him going make cousins do little to nothing these two teams that are competing it was very disappointing a tough game to watch wasn't it like especially if you had the chiefs who's such a tough game to watch with you know mahomes limping around and now and I'm not sure if I'm doing that in this game but I'll take read over O'Brien any day of the week at this Point Hill I would take that as a flyer to vikings the over I would say now chiefs Texans chiefs absolutely terrible Sunday night culture run defense has been great they've only given up sixty three yards a game so I think they're gonNA put a lot of pressure on cousins to to throw the ball if you look at it I mean Aaron Jones who's been fantastic was thirteen this is hobbling maybe this will be all year parley kid you like the home favourite Yes al I think we both Ronald Day all over him some point the second half they had the ball nineteen of I twenty two minutes Texans at least their offense looked great finally AFC south teams though you want to dig maybe continue this type of play overspilling after finally had a positive game last week Eagles only twenty fifth and total offense in the NFL ever ever had the ball it was terrible hated the fourth and one play I'll talk about what Jeff Schwartz Leo here in the fourth quarter but Harry De'andre Hopkins aside they're five and one and they're less fixing road games against the spread their twelve and four against the spread against Minnesota in the last sixteen so I give me the point here and went over over Selena coming back this week I'm GonNa roll the dice and says he makes his first appearance of the year which will really I think help jump start mahomes again here not that he's really she's Kinda hammered us both last weekend now I had him on the tail end of about an eight or nine team parlay and Was My only loser there little little mention of it but you know Sammy Watkins goes out very early I'm not even sure if you even made an appearance in the game but I guess he did he goes out early and on nine one against spread last eleven the early afternoon so what but how about this vikings eight in one as their last nine is a favourite doesn't seem like that's the case I feel like the these AFC south teams and I have to give Andy Reid even though he drove me crazy last game the advantage here third began WanNa go over San Francisco at the rams minus three lays on like they did the jets with ten sacks it's going to be tough I will say down and cook the average is like because McCaffrey's having such a great year Dalvand Cook is overshadowed averaging twenty uh what was it I can't remember married Crystal Ball I just said it was everything Everything wrong with the Oregon was married for starting like they have another be killing you all the touchdowns fuller last week you're still sticking with the Texans what's your reasoning yeah I'll take the points here they are eight it it really is so let's let's what the chiefs here you know taking the minus five and let's let's I think mahomes soon lines eight and three against the spread of last eleven after fell into cover no asked home game so it's a nice spot for them trend wise go ahead parlayed ones thirty two last week and Detroit Carrie Johnson one hundred twenty five and the game case he was extremely fortunate to win I'm GonNa roll the dice taxes here with five since we now and a half rams are forty nine and a half the over and I made a parley this week not sure I've ever done this before I took the forty niners Monday night over the browns and because there was a line out Eddie I took the rams over the forty niners so within like six days predicting six hours of forty niners games I'm sure I'll get that wrong but nailed the tailed off in this play but I think here we go here that bell and Fifth Sixth Period is beginning guys sorry about that you won't hear that on touchdown in his last two weeks guy's GonNa show about four this week let's let's bank on that about fourteen well they're fun home team yeah that was miserable the watch to make the playoffs you guys have done win the division I think are at least partly kid yeah so it's a huge game for us I been look I've been really impressed with the forty niners they just couldn't really get going the cult's at a great game plan and have a great coach I think and that's what we're looking at here and some of these games now we gotta start just putting on the coach in disaster and Baker Mayfield has not digress but go this other direction but everyone hates Baker Mayfield Bosa plants a flag on him you know he there's like forty two more minutes you won't you won't hear that well I'll tell you what the chiefs are twelve and I don't know why I love these early after in planning that for months Yep so I'm not sure if this forty niners win what to make of it I know they're on a short week you like the rams absolutely sow as brother Bryce said it yard he's way overdue for a bust out game Texans or four zero one against spread in the last five as Road Dogg and the visiting team it's passing for golf in two games and not a win to show for it it really makes no sense I know there's not much to dislike about the forty niners other than there are on a short week brother Bry oh no mahomes and the cheese are not invincible at home I'm GonNa take the Texans with five all right yeah that's a fun game it's a fun to watch again I don't trust any total in the NFL total yard They did light up Atlanta fifty two last week and like you just said that I was without the Andre Hopkins really doing anything in the always pretty bad the rams are going to be on the extra rest forty nine or said the short week I'm banking on mcvay having a good game plan coming off a loss I think it's thirty nine versus Indian Casey only at thirty six yards rushing grits plus Kansas City's run a run defense gotten burned two weeks in a row Marlin Bat Mac the forty niners won several teams including our cowboys who played bad squads and were overvalued right because of it I would include the brand they traveled to Seattle and really sell the zero on kicks field goal they win a game or Robert Woods comes down a things together And I thought they showed a little bit better balance with girly running the ball last week let's expect a little bit more that way Phillips devises a plan to stop this reading is one part of his body down the end zone there to win that game they could be sitting here at four and one rather than three and two and we wouldn't be talking about this being such an important thirty nine is running game make Jimmy throw the ball to beat them let's take the rams this week sal I think this is a good one that's going to help us because as you mentioned is kind of shaping up to be a must win for the rams in terms of their plans of winning the division getting a high seat in the playoffs remember in the rams schedule gets pretty favorable after this for several weeks if you like him for the division now might be the time the plus one fifty I will say this is the best division four success especially for the home team here which is the rams even though I know the forty niners do not have to travel very far but at the same time Goth is I went to Seattle Forty niners especially at home game against the forty niners and I know the huge game for all of us because I have the rams of big barley for the rams game for them right now mcvay knows it's important game they're basically coming off many by week right now while the browns are coming off short week we normally know that's a recipe I do think they're probably gonNA cause a little bit of problem here but the one thing you can say is at least for the forty niners have been playing the AFC north which I think at this point in time we you know I was still both think that's possibly could have been a touchdown to give them like a ten or eleven point lead late in that game what he's this was like an eyelash away from they're just not but he's right up there once again favored he that flip flops every to be offensive rookie of the year rams also ate into against the spread and alas first half of it I liked the Ramsey the line opened at four and a half I don't it'd be six a kid watching this team you know that over nine hundred along the way we'll be having conversations with peers idols and maybe a random to the road taken with CTN bail part of the ringer podcast network on all when you got the rams you got Seattle Yep San Francisco anytime any deals three teams play each other you have the watch and then you got Kyle Murray the Arizona is not going to do anything sorry it's five and one against his bread and the last game versus each other I don't think Kansas City is right on like just mentioned one touchdown pass in the last two games was only twenty two there's one of those big games for niners played great rams blue their game rams are six and one against the spread as a favourite and their last seven four yards going rams the rams here I mean I hate to say it but the way this division and this is kind of like if they're looking to win the division around Mrs almost kind of them I five against the spread last six against division so like I said we got a lot riding on this so I'm I'm sticking with the rams here poorly kid I know you're going rams to I onto nat is a bad idea I really just think very undisciplined I don't like this Freddie kitchen more penalties seven more they lead the league in penalties ten games all right let's talk mvp here because these are numbers that are really not jumping a ton in terms of WHO's atop Patrick Mahomes after two stinky game one okay game and then when I don't know what happened Sunday night still the favorite minus one ten to take home the Trophy Russell Wilson has moved up three to one odds you're GonNa get highlights from him this is this is Russell Westbrook another Russell won MVP uses sportscenter highlight machine Russell Wilson same thing rolling left throwing that pass waited until the really waited until the fourth quarter to do anything whereas I feel like this year he's trying to make plays a little bit earlier in the game so I I like him and do things which I mean not impossible but I think that's Dad's I mean look if you look at Wilson and play by play it's tough to find those odds this doesn't really matter but fantasy wise you talked about a homes have just as many points tied at the top brother Brian they win that game look out Detroit beat three one and one in first place in the north one lookout for Stafford especially if he say he goes you know there's there's a realistic shoddy could miss a game or two at some point in time if this continues to happen work continues to get hit every play but also I mean his numbers are fans other than anybody quarterback wise this year even Brady so if you can find Russell Wilson maybe ten to one that is well worth it and I won't make a case real quick for Matthew Stat tastic overall considering last game I mean I can't even blame him the last game because his main receivers the guy named pringle nobody knows who the hell that is so I kind of maybe not the first game or two but I think he's been much more aggressive early in game especially moving around and he was in the past couple of years I felt like he seven eight nine games just in the fourth quarter alone you know you pulled out pose these games out of his ass I do one thing with Wilson this year is I I I lean with you guys do with Wilson depending on where you get him 'cause I think what's going to the same thing every year with Wilson he gets a lot of attention because he's probably GonNa win would you Harry who do you like from beeping yeah you know sal I I've seen Russell Wilson as high as ten to one I mean in our fantasy but I've seen them at eight hundred two one nine two picks saying if they take down Green Bay on the road on Monday night and he's the reason why touchdowns he'd be at twelve and to twelve if he goes for three touchdowns on the road he's twelve to three week now Matthew Stafford's never winning MVP in this money went twenty Prescott Twenty nine you have Tom Brady barely barely making it right there in twenty twenty five range up mahomes it is tough because he still the two clunker games still on pace for fifty five hundred yards thirty five touchdowns and that team is going to win twelve or thirteen games are he's making guys like will this leak E. K. Metcalf Tyler Lockett household names and fantasy that guy's gotta start because of the way he's playing controls the offense he is killing it for him he keeps me alive at three and two he's got fourteen total chances years they'll Gerald picks six those touchdowns coming in the fourth quarter the lock it it's as good a throw and catch you'll ever see see enough of those all of a sudden Russell Wilson and if they win ten eleven games that's your guy brought and like you said with with McCaffrey at ten one don't really love that because what is McCaffrey after he's gotTa get twenty three hundred yards and twenty touchdowns to win this around a little bit but if he ends up applying in all sixteen games he's GonNa throw fifty five hundred plus yards and close to forty touchdowns he's not doing it it's nice everybody wasting should it be Kansas City to remember right now I'm what John if you can get Wilson still at ten to one I said even in his two clunkers I know you only threw one touchdown pass the terms of the yardage he threw for over three hundred yards in both games so you cannot bet against Russell Wilson and then a game anymore I feel like he will burn you time and time again you'll see like games whereas offensive line just camper do you like from VP Let's see I I mean I don't think there's a ton of value with Mahomes at minus one ten considering he's been in two games so far because Brian I said I don't know how this ever loses a game anytime there's a big play that he is asked to make him sometimes p. cow well I shouldn't well it didn't make one that's a clunker you know he's still going to now have some games where he throws for over four hundred yards and three or four touchdowns this guy's GonNa end up like branch oh they're going to be fine curious thing who do you like well I guess we're all on the same page here like you know listen Mahomes as the and it's GonNa be very hard to not give him the award so if you're getting almost even odds right now it's still not bad but as I remarked watching a Russell Wilson the other night ended with seventeen touchdowns McCaffrey has eight sixty six scrimmage yards to five games he's on pace for twenty seven hundred Total Peterson two thousand twelve terrible plight once but in terms of what we've seen lately like you said that lock it pass I think when the ball left his hand by there was a six breaking away from the field no one touching him within ten yards at any point like boy and it really doesn't even matter he's making Kyle Allen look good percent chance on these stats give him of that ball actually being caught it couldn't have been placed in a in a better spot he can makes plays like this right our Jim Cunningham who do you like you watch all these games right who who's your pick yeah I like Matthew Stafford because I like flushing money down the toilet l. going to be a great year now he didn't get to that but it didn't matter because Vegas didn't value him as he was never had a great odds to win the MVP anyway athlete or team said odds on this now the obvious favorite globetrotters over the generals one to five hundred odds they wanted twenty four hundred ninety maybe they want to maybe they just don't want to see a lot of sacks both sides with these offensive lines that's going to be an interesting yeah I'm GonNa make case though for McCaffrey here now I understand rather play for Notre Dame just my gun and the field is eight to one let's start with you Paula Kid who do you like I'm taking the field here five games in a row from nineteen fifty two thousand fifteen so that's stuff that top but let's let's play the game anyway Yankees over twins fifteen to one odds I read their credential wanted a twenty one hundred rushing and twelve touchdowns McCaffrey those a game changer it's just it's just a different it's nice to have numbers but like I said you see enough of these highlights of him he's beat up on the twins cost me a day off thirteen in a row that's insane it got the captain thinking which is the most dominant athlete or team over another Charles Rogers over the cowboys twenty five to one Notre Dame over navy forty two one to forty three game winning streak snapped in two thousand seven I think that's all recruiting I think people up a racket in two decades brother Brian's dismantled Harry leaving him bruised and broken both mentally and physically and quite frankly he's becomes within the last two years maybe three close much sure again twice twice in the last two years The only times brother Bry as hence the packers since two thousand nine Ann Rogers seven and two sixteen touchdowns to interceptions and then the Yankees folly kid brother Brian Hi screaming yourself and make yourself now signed Ohio State in Sixteen J. T. Barrett got outplayed by Michigan and still lost the game in double overtime did the Michigan in continuing to dominate last week while I can I watch Aaron Rodgers beat up on the cowboys didn't really throw very touchdowns but cowboys I'm a one eleven winning percentages doesn't back you up here I got you yeah that brings start sponsored segment captain Morgan's make believe riverboat casino each week the shell of its former self take the field and brother Bry over Harry with that dominance I like it when you say shelly me like that chocolate shell they put on it's most overrated coach in all of sports I think very possibly and ironically he happened to be born in Ohio in two thousand fifteen you lost by twenty nine it's been well documented on this podcast the Brian Verse Harry Tennis Rivalry is as one sided as it gets meeting twice generate traffic than I set sail tackling pretend propositions related the sports and pop culture events lots of dominant athletes and dominant teams. The let's see all right so Matthew Stafford is Harry someone don't ever say that the new producer I think so I think you guys probably Bryan probably knows too I think that line opened like two and a half at the beginning of the season I'm hearing stuff now it's Ohio state like minus eleven in some of these games for nothing to nothing three nothing and they're just getting dominant I mean we saw in game three I mean they had how many chances to score like ten to fifteen seventeen they lost by eleven and last year I really thought Michigan was going to win the game thought they had a better team than Ohio State Ohio state put sixty two on them and it's been a carryover affect the bowl games are is only one in three in bowl games for for Michigan I just don't think he's overseas beyond overrated and get it done and I was arrowing back we'll never win can never win poly kid and I we I think we like Todd Gurley had money on him last year he was on pace thirty or twenty five or thirty touchdowns not the most important the the most important player on the field anymore for the panthers sow I would make a case for him so twelve to one I saw a ten to one I think it should be I'm GonNa take when I actually take Ohio State football over Jim Harbaugh look I know they've only played four times but Jim Harbaugh yeah I don't know if I was dismantled since they both went three sets so I don't know if that's a dismantling or anything but most home runs have eight players with over twenty home runs you can't it's a coin flip thirteen times and they can't they can't beat I know that blind and more recent sets in everyone's mind that's going on going off the board here I am saying polly pocket if you're GonNa like this nineteen ninety-three by the way I think it's crazy that the Yankees beat the orioles as much as they did you bring a hundred win team like the twins one hundred games bring one hundred one team like the twins in there offensive Harbaugh Sal in two thousand four to two thousand six he was University of San Diego and if he did win anything in those three years he did beat Darren pitcher side. It's almost like a hockey theory but the Yankees have won thirteen th straight playoff games against the twins which seems impossible. I don't know how that's happening I mean the twins of leading you you you get all over the parlay kid for mentioning the tennis match because the sample sizes too small and now you're bringing up harbaugh four games boy this I'm GonNa take the Yankees twins I think you're right yes that's a good comparison the baseball hockey when you know when when the postseason lights come on it should be a coin flip honestly college football's fixed I'm sorry I just last year was Weird Michigan was the better team and they got trounced but this this craziness but I do like Harry that Bill Walsh College football and Sega Genesis me I'm taking me I had a fifty five game winning streak and game more more most percentage zero if we played one set if we played one set I'm doing all right who's your anyways the game's over you parlay kid our friend Chris our friend Frank and Andrew Alabama Georgia at exile garrison hearst together under nice things was a wide receiver fifty five games in a row against you slogs and I lost it you know it's funny we brought up Joe Dimaggio's as if that has anything to do with it but I think they roll Michigan and Harbach just can't get it done against Ohio state or anybody really loses that game the last game of the year regular season Games ironically it was fifty to a coincidentally fifty six games I couldn't get to fifty six frank playing as Auburn blocked extra point events man I law right right mo-modern the Dayton flyers all three years okay all right that's important now brian what are you like yeah I'm getting the twin book impasse every single play and touchdown or an effect yet so that was made I'm dominating me fifty five wins in a row in nineteen ninety-three all right and you know from two thousand nine and some of these other games we're talking about but for crying out loud twins that is bad can't win in front of the home crowd not once that's a bad one that's a playoff talking about for baseball what tossups these are you can tell you know you see these Astros race series you can basically flip the coin you know really just depends on what Kamini like oh they're at it has on the Russel Wilson here they just can't win this game and I think it's GonNa be interesting because they play the browns this week the browns can't protect Baker the super bowl's most dominant ever hate that I hate that there's some validity to that I really do by the way this Thursday game it's going to be Captain Captain Morgan reminds you to please drink responsibly captains owners all right we're here the best bets we're GONNA do it well. We made fun of Harry's really wrong about Michigan this year I'm admitting it I was wrong about day to say the coach being in there we're GonNa have to reset a whole bunch of things I don't think it's going to be that good when they play Jim you must have a thought on this yet destroy all you in Beloit College football just let you know really well yeah who is that Miami quarterback Gino Toretta Bowl Game I beat my brother John these are five minute quarters I'd be my brother John One game one hundred thirty something to nothing I would like to go back and challenge Patrick can't lay top ten because first week in October excited about all other sports like Golf Golf's the only thing going but you can't come in I jim do you haven't thought other than on these odds are going mostly call me out for a ally manning over the Patriots Ah I can't even imagine how much you made how much did you win off of that listen I was busy man asked her don't be surprised that it might have set it on if if that bell check commissions the defense go out and hurt Daniel Jones just so he can get one more likely runs a game and then they got nothing so I mean to one thirteen straight playoff games in baseball it's crazy the twins fans have to be besides themselves with that the football I'm going to go to college football I'm GonNa go to UMASS versus Louisiana Tech and I'm taking under sixty one eight on do you want ally in this game no not really I mean not really keep it keep it the way it is opener they're giving up just eighteen points a game in the next four games we're all wins UMASS Louisiana Tech Minute Man bulldogs game under sixty one but don't you don't take his lumps and still you know he's been okay well okay Dallas keep losing giants aren't out of the NFC shit all right brother by what is your Best Adam Harry God's sakes I listen to thirteen of the last yeah I was I was fucking ice cold last week I couldn't hit anything I continue it into this week I've been dog shit Utah State had one chance middle of the second quarter I can hear what did he do a loss in the playoffs but he was in the lead the entire tournament plus one time no doubter never at a sweat it guys pitch their best bats I buy one of them jump on one of them and then we scream at each other the next week best bad well I'm GonNa go I'M GONNA go back one in five in for those six games they failed to score more than twenty one point they were shut out last week for Florida International Louisiana Tech after giving up forty five points at Texas Eli Manning just to beat him and his last last time ever in Gillette stadium for the giants nobody often Ingram's Aldo don't you make eighteen Louisiana Tech bulldog games have gone under umass astrid three different quarterback this year the only have seven total touchdowns they have nine x the a game and they were in it the whole time Lsu and Oklahoma to me are very comparable teams although I think LSU's a better team So I'm begging on again this is what did you play politics in Africa what what team were you do you remember I think it was Michigan you'll probably make I played Michigan the up Harry's Michigan's team Yeah Enough Brian Okay now you can go with Utah State yes last week have ten and a half yesterday but they were getting the last game against Lsu there were getting sick six and a half that was a close game they had a chance to win Stroz I at minus one and a half and that's GonNa be minus one twenty five so they got the best pitcher in baseball going tomorrow night and now we can we can we can we go back can we play that game one time I don't think you and I ever got to play but I will say in that college I think they wrap up the series and make a little charge at the Yankees but either way this is good news for the Yankees to see the series go five no matter what and I'm a winner either way the race pity across Chit going out all right I got you all right let's go with you you were the sole winner last week what's your best bet he's how it works go home a while they've been great they if you look at their schedule they still really haven't faced anyone yet so this is GonNa be a great test for them I just expect family to make a lot of people go off that was so damn fun I remember a friend Chris would play Miami and he would drop back quarterback who it was but he dropped back about twenty five yards if I had them earlier in the season against Lsu but I'm GonNa take taxes getting eleven and a half against Oklahoma I think it's jumped up today to eleven eleven I I think the best team was like Colorado Right Kordell Stewart Yeah the enemies was it ninety three ninety two season yes it had to be Toretta right area and the Michigan Team Tyrone Wheatley or something Yeah Klay plays to keep drives going Texas and fixing one against the spread against Oklahoma and the last seven so I'm thinking this is going to be like a thirty four thirty when I think this is better for the Yankees but I think the Astros win this game someone that tune of like five to one with coal cement forty million dollars salary for next year title game up are they threw a pick and after that was over but I will say with Harry he had a great week you get a lot of Nice picks we we give him shit hundred all in all it adds up to a plus one ninety five parlay let's take that let's start with the Astros when I went in this partly so stop making excuses this is your team this is your team lobby dollar check place the game under doesn't roll it up and put up forty five forty these numbers jump around and wherever you're looking are you going to get different numbers widely bearing deshaun Watson eight to one first McCaffrey interesting ten to one rogers everyone's no one does he do that this is true and the pats at what's us for the pats and that doesn't really add much value but their beating the giants pretty handily tomorrow night at minus thirteen he wanted infuriate the rest of us and at work I wasn't there so I I'm GonNa go I'm GonNa go back to Texas the golf thing because one again he's picking on nobody wants to talk about golf at this point and you know he'd pick the second best Golfer in the field and made it like it was this crazy be at that game sal will Tony Romo as we'll Tony Romo be doing that game right trauma correct when I say that I only Harry really keeps track of the Games kick that he had and I Kaufman that's the only reason I you know busting my my my theory why took Kent Lake was pretty good though you had a good week I'm not gonNA and they're gonNA add three gimmes and football ravens minus five fifty over the bangles the cowboys minus three fifty or the jets poly kid you WanNa game but eleven and a half seems way too high for me kid well I'm GonNa go with the parlay this week and I'll do a little multi sport partly here we're GonNa take the something I did the last time but I'm big on Herman is very good covering the spread against as an underdog you know obviously this is the biggest game of the year for Texas so they're going to be up for it your bets looking good into matching tat that's another week and Captain Morgan's make believable casino we're at a guy who was there to Harry was not invited robots through the pick at the end of the game right now but Romo I think you might be right I let's let's get a real quick first of all we were at the last game last time the jets played the cowboys and We got I mean a ton of college play came this weekend plus the UFC right now the thanks on twitter my name's at Jim Cunningham but the eyes are ones and the ems are ends and the ends are ours Lert let's bet a lot of money in that game so I think the cowboys come out when pretty big there parlay kid going back over his own flesh and blood what are you up to charge talker what am I up to like I said I'll be haven't made a decision probably traveling to upstate New York this week good luck to you on this you make sense under sixty one fine I'm not doing it brother Bry man this is such a tough one within uncover but I liked plus ninety five for that parlay I'm going with you parlay kid that's a good one Jim Cunningham your two million dollar pick here we go mass Louisiana Tech. I'm just not by the time Saturday rolls around on there's no way I'm GonNa Remember that I bet this game with you with all that's going on so I actually really liked to DJ check Karate Haughty fight although I'm hearing in the last hour that this might not happen unless there's a catch weight so that's something special about them this year I think they've scored at least one touchdown every quarter this season and I don't love Texas's defense packers they play the eagles next week you don't think they're looking ahead you're you're have because they're playing jets this week so okay keep forgetting that in Texas I know I know they stay closed and they win when they're not supposed to in this in this rivalry red river rivalry and Allen Great I just Oklahoma's like one hundred and fourth in the nation about four hundred and forty two yards I'm going to stay I'm going with the Paula Kit here I'm doing it I like the astro they'd better win all right there you go and Harry you're back from London no accent but you did bring back a ton of candy from what I understand Bob waiting for forty five minutes now let's look like I like the cowboys over the jets effect seven and a half that's easy you're a jets fan you don't think this is their super bowl I will everyone's gunning for the cowboys I went with someone argue against myself air but everyone guns for the cowboys played gotTa have them on locking in I'm done if they lose Kohl's grape raven scare me a little bit but they should take care of business against the bengals cowboys etiquettes a sandwich game kind of every thing that's not in the states could be like hundreds of grand on candy only London only in England I brought it all back exclusive beach after party ally performance by ludicrous it's crazy vandal dot com slash ringer to enter and draft your week six fantasy national correspondent for Vandals World Fantasy Football Championship live finals get an all expense paid trip to enjoy four days worth of WF FC Events Puerto Rico including Where I might possibly be my first time not making the trip but I will be attending the cowboys jets game I can't wait for team before the Games kickoff on Sunday I go mahomes I go patriots I think I came in like six hundred out of seven hundred and fifty I've talked about it on Simmons eight ball bats and beyond an odd sharks with Chris Abbott my co host Siemian guys and bets on Friday with with Chris and Joe Osborn and again at night so like I said Twenty to twelve and one I'm in twenty first I'm only a game and a half backup second later on today I will do my third show of the day win see on that we also have the WNBA game five finals tomorrow night Last night I got Jeff Schwartz known I welcome back to against all odds about vandal here teaming up with van will give you chance to play fantasy football against me bill and the best part when it gets to fly out to Puerto Rico with me sitting beside me actually good friend of the podcast former NFL lyman put in eight years of service now offers up as Gridiron wisdom on Mike I did I'll kick the coverage with clay can listen that today on twitter as well by the Harry is now like hey tell clay then I could do two am I oh I guess not good I'm GonNa Bounce back this week just don't take any giants and remember you can play against bill the Jenner tri factor in the ringer listener league on Fan all the matter if you missed last week still take home the top prize just go to faneuil dot com slash ringer enter now that's vandal dot com slash ringer and now the great is that right wow okay so it's J. N. and C. U. R. R. One R. G. actively making your schedule I got too many things to worry about what time I understand I'm show I apologize right all right listen let's all celebrate with a chocolate trumpet we're going to be just fine they melted down people worried about the offense I am a little bit I'm more worried about the defense you have a brother plays for the team what are your thoughts that game here's Xm packed well today he has a podcast called Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you you know what he's made a lot of money playing football he loves pointing out on talk about that I did I did you know this go pretty good what kind of candidate feerick we put the microphone now I don't know what we do anyway the chiefs talk me off the Ledge I had them on a big money line parlay I needed them the wind lock it in for fifth consecutive win her that's what twitter's for Jeff Schwartz next coming on against the hot look I I don't think being humble as a way to go on twitter I feel like if someone's going to troll me I'm going to be back and I'm not like I'm not humble person it's okay to be and you you work with someone every day is not how are you understand because clay what I imagine all along and then the Patriots will beat him like I said would happen all along because the Patriots are better the Patriots defensively right now if you look at football outsiders have the best ah N. Z. Listen when you give out two million dollar picks at winning clip you could you could drag out the handle as much as you want I understand that an issue the homes ankle those a problem he's very mobile in the pocket if he can't move that really changes how can pass rush him and where guys in the field some concerns in my opinion just not be as crisp as they were last year all that being said their offense is good enough to get into the AFC championship game which is what being someone like myself I like to point out that I was successful in the NFL you keep it up and you can work your way all the way to the presidency that's how it is you don't have to be made the call until nineteen points the chiefs offense is a concern couple of things here one is that they're out there left tackle left guard of two top wide receivers double yes sure Yes yes let me ask you this microphone Aiba but you should see this patchwork setup I had automatically against the redskins and against the jets that's exactly there you go there Jim about the is in your twitter and all that I was that was the first WNBA game wrong in the playoffs last night a little setting so that that it's pretty much gone so the bills are foreign one I don't buy the bills being a Jimmy contender to win the conference so nothing has changed now they play the Texans this week and here's the deal the chiefs defense allowed only four point six yards apply if you take out the three meals end of the game so the divas was in his bat now the problem still exists with cannot stop the run and in he said you're on your own kid play football upstate I gotta see the pros here and brother Brian what about you we called she I feel bad for kids going to be open yeah I mean honey Badger I felt save the game I don't I don't know it might have been a lot worse than than it was right there right like I two big plays big interception big third that of all time if I were scheduled to two so their tough to beat but the chiefs I know the the PAS ruined the bears ruined every parlay first of all forced vegetarian kick a field goal rather than scoring but and I saw your brother interviewed he said we couldn't block by the way much more eloquent than you are I I don't know how that happened but but he we couldn't block and it is it is weird watching your quarterback you know stepping over a down lineman and they might have trouble offensively but rush like they are the best AFC this game doesn't change my opinion on that guess who's Number One AFC patriots number two is the chiefs they didn't change even 'cause I've somehow become his assistant he's asking to just in text message you sent me took longer than than if you would've asked no I don't and Mahomes is beat up we saw ankle got stepped on it probably a little worse which is kind of tough and also this about mahomes this is no knockin I'm right he's still on record too so when you're not playing well your defense than is kind of expose they can knock it off the field and that was a problem obviously but they still interception with our matthew like they had plays home and struggle again and offense then I think we have a little bit of questions to answer because the lines were sloppy but they still won the game what happens now when three straight weeks of poor offense it's tough for any of those seems to put together two straight wins it's really weird but I went back to the game last I'm sorry the Sunday night game I wanted to ask you as an offensive Lineman at one point in the second half because I like the Patriots too but I was looking for a line Patriots chiefs AFC championship I'm like that's gotta be it that's the only short thing always looking for an exam today but yeah everyone tried to make up with the chiefs last night they they're going to figure some things out man coverage give him trouble but again with hill and walk ins back should it's time to forget about the chiefs and maybe tyreek hill is coming back to the omos played this past week that didn't get in I'm sure that'll help I it's funny back because if that pace continues you're going to lose now tom possession has not been correlated to winning thank you analytics for that it's something that's always been turn for you it's

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