19 Episode results for "Andy kind"

OBI interview with Bengals head coach Zac Taylor

Cincy Jungle

10:16 min | 2 years ago

OBI interview with Bengals head coach Zac Taylor

"<music> <music> hey everyone it's anthony with the orange and black insider bengals podcast enjoy this set of interviews recently done by our co host john on share in these interviews include hearing from the likes of bengals head coach zack taylor quarterback andy dalton running back trayvon williams wide receiver josh malone offensive lineman billy price and linebacker jermaine pratt. These interviews also feature other members <unk> of cincinnati bengals blogs and podcasts. This is the type of content we love to bring you and will continue to do so during the preseason. He's in regular season and offseason. Thanks for listening when you call him play his first time in a while. I read season james a couple of days. It comes back on the hudson. I am you know we do a lot of it. <hes> at practice for we don't script it just because i think and talk as as a staff and talk through situations that occur and how long game so we constantly evaluate what are conditions nutritious and we're always working already in our walk through roof call fifty years. Yes the first game reaction. We put a lot of work into this house. Andy kind of justice because lives with conveying gotham thing has been going up to have you guys done in institute and data zandi like really taking himself to really get ahead of that as well sometimes and you would prefer that you just hey we're in a walker just talking face to face but <hes> we're pretty adamant that he wears the helmet and we always talk the way that we're gonna talk to the game and so we've we've been doing in class six months. He's been forced where how all the time and we did a communication the communication through the heads off so that's something we've gotten five thousand ramps up at this point your two weeks training camp now you you have the off season before the players came into macho film and get up to date on the roster. Who's been a big surprise for you if anyone has gone through. We're getting field well. I think you know sam. Hubbard is is so consistent with this approach spring day his is one of the hardest workers on the team is a great character kid <hes>. He's also really talented. He is the most and he's a guy. That really impressed me. As i've been around them happy call awesome quick. We'll talk about the holden's design and the work in and talk about nicki chapman outstanding job staying on this guys and get the most out of mm so that's been really solid groups far gone out of your way that your book drills folks on the cooking in a remote like do on their. I guess so you know i hired win because i trusted him. We know that he would do a great job because i've seen it in person before in miami <hes> in that hasn't changed on there but at the same time that i share things that that we struggle with offensively that he has done so he's aware of that and and some some things that i oh i think would help defense and he does something for office no hey hey y'all did this and really gave us problems so it's something you need to go wherever that other teams so that communication acacia between he and i because we worked together for four years years ago as really strong and same thing goes with darrin simmons dance. There is a great guy. A great communicator has been here long time armed agreed special teams coordinator for for many years and so the communication between august today talk about like just the undrafted receivers who'd gone opportunities elsewhere the president with like david willis morgan. The guys got me. They've probably got more than guys in the league it just because of the injury we've had and they've been forced to step up really impressed. <hes> probably the best group of under after receivers i've ever been around around in my years in the n._f._l. And so those guys have really really stepped up they make mistakes but the mistakes are lazy mistakes whether or not paying attention. It's just because maybe they got overloaded in that moment or the cross up with something we can live with that in training camp. If the guy has shown great effort in the meetings you can tell that he's got great character and he wants to be really good just occasionally his his head explodes a little bit. He makes narrow that that's you know we're going to live with that. Don't make the same mistake twice been rowing press with mintel bryant damian wilson sailing mortgaging. Those three guys have been really impressive yet. Fellows move into a more eleven personnel. Is something that you're maybe going to increase a little bit here in cincinnati. They were the second the most eleven personnel last year already. When are we going to start seeing official. Death trucks for defenses be in the nickel. You think that's something ever going to happen. I don't know the they're too worried about. What the first half of game that nichols gonna walk out the backers coming off so <hes> you know i i don't. I think they stress too much not that. That's an we might make that decision but right now. I don't think together toward along those lines. I talked to andy a little bit about this earlier. It sounds like there's going to be a bit more of a trend this year where teams are going to just keep nickel out there against hall personnel. Is that something you're excited about. Is that gonna make things. Maybe easier for news. Defensive defense has tried to read out yeah. It's all about how they look at your titans trail so it might just all you can make a point his statement that it's twelve personnel it's do do they call it twelve left while fast or they call tyrod receiver they call tree vert in a receiver so <hes> you just have to look at how that team you you and <hes> what title grouping you comment field and you gotta have a plan for the basically nickel so when you brought like your your own version of the day offense over here did you to have a conversation with any validate. What are you comfortable with going and it was like a marriage of both philosophies. Kinda wanders more of you in just like we're going to do this rated. I let the coaching staff decision what are often needs to look like we install that offense and then as we taught it to the players. There's an open dialogue constantly with andy especially this portion training camp offense zan. We've got a ton of reps andy. What what are we missing that. You really feel comfortable with that fitful we do <hes>. Is there anything that you're uncomfortable with. Knievel more reps of we wanted to continue to look at it anymore of and he's a very clear communicator is very honest. <hes> you know and he's not over the top demanding into where you know. There's any friction there. It's an easy dialogue between all of us often alexander pell brian callaghan myself andy and so that's that's been an easy transition for all of us us like improving him or not improvements but it just missed having an offensive coach for the first time in his career. I can see you know. I think that he's he's had some really good offensive coordinator's. No i know a lot of the guys that have coached him. It's not he's well coached and he's been in some really successful systems in the past so i don't know that i see too much of a difference in the way that he's gonna play. I think that he's he's been allowed to be aggressive in the past and then do things that he sees them <hes> they've been just be more of the same in that regard when your goals this week one of the preseason to so these guys to see us play with technique that they've been playing with them practice. You know you get to the the road. You're on t._v. There's another out there. <hes> you know we want guys to to attack and and play disappointed play the techniques that they've been doing a training camp and not a borders things just because you're in a different environment i think when we come out in our guys played with confidence then then <hes> that's all we can ask for in in the first preseason game. Installing a new offense is going to be any different for you in terms of a lot of times. There's this perception that you keep things a little bit but nell in the preseason. You keep some bullets in your pocket. That's not a good choice. You keep keeps them stuff hidden right. You keep some secrets from regular season. Is that any different for you. Bring in a new often simply live different goober peas. Make sure this record were show everything. We got first game so make sure they prepare for help. Yeah so what you see on tape recording once again you've been listening to one in a series of recent bangles interviews courtesy of co host john sheeran he recently spoke with members of the cincinnati bengals including including head coach zack taylor quarterback andy dalton running back trayvon williams wide receiver josh malone offensive lineman billy price bryce and linebacker jermaine pratt john was joined by other members of <hes> both since jungled dot com as well as other bengals podcast cast but this is a pretty exclusive set of interviews that we bring you on our podcast. We think cincinnati bengals for the opportunity to speak with all of of these members of the team and we thank you for listening to this set of interviews. We'll continue to bring you more of this type of material throughout the rest of the preseason regular season and into the offseason. Thanks for listening <music> yeah.

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Black, Queer, Creative: Justin Simien on Making It in Hollywood

PM Mood

31:53 min | 1 year ago

Black, Queer, Creative: Justin Simien on Making It in Hollywood

"Welcome to Pam mood the no talking points. Noble Shit podcast. That takes you behind the curtain off the red carpet and to the frontlines of progress with change makers and innovators that are doing the work to shift our culture and expand our social impact. I'm so excited to welcome friend director all around absolute bad ass. Justin simeone at two PM mood. Justin generally when I run into you get to see whether it's on a panel Like we got to hang out a little bit in Sundance. Which is my first time going to Sundance? So being able to see you and chat with you. There was like Cherry on top of this Sunday. But now we're living in the midst of a global pandemic so all my conversations start differently however you doing and where are you? I'm doing fine. I'm I'm in. La In my house. Sorta you know enduring the lockdown and I'm an intermediary so I have very complicated feelings about it on one way. It's like kind of fantastic Is All the pressure's off on the other side. Like you know the world is really crazy in terrifying and you know all you can really do is watch from inside on a couple of different occasions. When I was at serious. We had a conversation about black mental health in particular in Sundance. We talked a bit about it on the telling black stories being blackened out in Hollywood handled discussion. We talked about it. Are you having more conversations with friends with family with folks about their mental health and Mental Health? Now because crisis hotlines calls are on the rise. Sadly domestic violence is at twenty percents. Which is a height however you like having those conversations and also managing your own mental health during this time it is sort of sir how someone is doing in the pandemic mentally really is the thing that I find myself talking about more often than not you know. It's interesting because I was already especially coming on Sunday since the start of this year. I was already in therapy. You know was talking to my car trips. All those kinds of things and really That's just continuing now that we're in now we're in Latin. I do my therapy on zoom but yeah I think it's a I think one we're so everyone is sort of being forced to be with themselves intimately because we're all stuck inside and I think it probably is exacerbating all kinds of issues that are already there. But there's a lot less distraction and there's also a lot of bad genuinely bad news. You know. This is a real situation. People are really getting sick and dying and I think I'm sure I'm not breaking news by saying that the current administration is handling it in a very terrifying manner that does not make me feel safer taking care of government. And so yeah. It's definitely top of mind and I think that you know for me. Whatever however somebody needs to cope with it. I think they should be doing that. And and for some people that is being out there serve connecting with people online or giving structure to the days of being more productive for some of us. That may mean like I wanna give myself a whole day to stay in bed and I think however it works for you as we usually do on the tribunal shame over Williams doing to cope because this is just really unique thing. I mean we're living through one of those big times and humanity where everything's different in. Nelson's encountered this before this is our World War Two ways you know for a lot of folks there is if you're a content creator right if you're a creative like you know you are. There seems to be a lot of means floating around. That are saying you don't need to be your most productive self right now. You need to write the The New York Times novel. You don't need to put out your Oscar worthy you know film and create right now. Do you feel the pressure to be doing the most or have you taken yourself out of that and you're just like you know what I'm GonNa like you. Just I'm going to deal with this how I need to deal with this so if that means. I'm going to be in bed all day that I'm going to be in bed and I'm not judging myself or do you still feel like the constant churn of like that doing the most culture. It's how I keep seeing how you gonNA come out of this pandemic. You gotta come out snatched. Are you GONNA come out? And I'm like I know I do feel the pressure. I mean it's everywhere you know. We're an extrovert industry. That I live. I work in living. So you know. People are are launching businesses and business models right out of out of the new American normal and I mean for me I I definitely feel the pressure but I just I can't. I can't keep up with all that I I will tell you right now. I will not come out of this bed Denver snatched. Okay I will come out. A little warrior probably been arrested. I've been in years but you know I think the one thing that kind of helps is that we are. You know still been writing season forward your white people even though I think production sort of across the board you know down right now. We're able to keep a writer's room you know. Virtually and keep the scripts going on which has been helpful to structure to the day but also have an outlet some kind They have a deadline. Something that sort of you know gives the days in the week some structure boomer that you know. I planned to plan to stay in bed. I don't know I I don't know I can't quite this. Feels like the worst time for me to like. Pull it yet. It's crazy the amount of pressure that I feel like to pull my shit together every day. It's us up because I really just do want to be in bed and it's like everybody round me's like well launch another podcast and do one thing and I'm like what the Fuck I just want. You know. I WANNA get high and like relax working trauma I think that is an appropriate response to global. I really do I think. People underestimate just how traumatic. This experience isn't all of us. You know there's something happening in the world that you either have absolutely no connection to because you are. Nobody you know is sick in a particular way or you have a devastating connection to because you know God forbid if somebody that you know or you are sick with this thing or had any other kind of serious medical issue. Your Life is very very very impacted by this crisis right now. And it's I think most of us are in this weird limbo of you know turn on the TV or scroll to the news and we are inundated with horror but you know the actual day-to-day moments of our lives are actually become very mundane and you know flat. And it's psychologically what do you do with that and I think you know for some people being extremely productive might help them work through that trauma. But I don't know if that's the key for everybody and I don't think anyone should feel like that's what you have to do. I think we all have to recognize that this traumatic in ways that you know we could never have anticipated because we've never lived through something four hundred years the less. I just GonNa say even even the things that we may have read about fifteen twenty years ago when you were in school there was no one around to really give a first hand account of what it felt like to live through the Second. Spanish flu or to live through the black plague. There's going to be like you know what I remember like. We couldn't go to the horse store like there was just nothing to say and be like horse store. I couldn't get my body done. I learned how to sell during the status quo like nobody. We have no since memory of the Spanish flu of the Great Depression of any of that and we also have a very you know. I think in times like this. You really do whether or not you like the president you do look to leadership for some sign of what's going to happen and I don't know about you whenever I looked to the leadership Dare to watch of these press conferences. It's really it's scary. It is scary to see the level of competence on display and to know that all of our lives and our income and you know the future of our species sort of rests on this group of people to do the right thing and it doesn't really feel they even know what they're talking about trump in particular it's terrifying and there's no way that doesn't get in and doesn't have an impact on one's mental health or outlook. Which is why. I think that you know what I do. Remember through reading about some of the most traumatic and tragic times of the evolution of society is escape. This dumb right is what people use to escape. And in many ways the birth of Hollywood and movies and film came from that right people wanting to move outside of the traumas of what was happening in World War. Two and the able to escape right as well as a genre of film. Now people are telling us we'll quarantine chill so we've moved from Netflix. And Chill to quarantine and chill your series. Dear White people is sadly there graduating coming to close which means that I have to graduate with them. I don't want to. I want to be held back but people are digging into net flicks now more than ever. So tell me about what folks can look to look towards for the lead for the final installment. I should say of this going. You're white people because it's been a journey. Yes it has and it's very difficult to end it you know and I can't say too too much but you know I think that one we are. We have the hard task of landing the plane when forgot what relationships to wrap up in how to wrap them up in. I think it's interesting because the themes that we're dealing with this season I think very much on the minds of a lot of people during the pandemic. But like you said we don't want to sort of make pandemic season because we need to mentally escape the pandemic but this idea that we are know. Our human lives really come down to how productively are is sort of a symptom of capitalism and particularly for black folks or any kind of marginalized community. That is such a double edged sword. Because we're sort of taught to be productive and taught to sort of have a market value that will sustain us but we are in other ways denied. You know human dignity and that I think. I think that we can address that. In the season as these kids are about to launch into the real world and you know trade their passions for careers and for specific ways to make money and to have market value. Once they graduate. I think the Theme is something that will really resonate with where people are at an experiencing right now because you know the show has always been about identity versus self been about like their true humanity demands of the culture in the society on them and The tension between those things I think. Part of what is dramatic about the Democrat. Everyone is feeling that it's like if I'm stuck at home and I'm not being productive and I'm not earning money. What am I in exactly? And that's exactly what you'd feel that senior year of college. It's that post adolescent growing into oneself right. The world is supposedly your choice. Ter- yet right now it's actually fucking closed. And so how do you imagine who you're going to be? And what you're aspiring to do with such uncertainty right. I think the beautiful thing about dear white people is at for those of us who are very far gone from college. Like it allows you to relive a lot of moments and the moment that allows you to relive is just like the birthing of yourself right and in all the ways that we evolve throughout the difference. Major moments of our life in like kind of college is one of those major capstone more so than high school graduation in terms of how I look at what for you. You're going into season. Four but season three to me was huge in terms of the character evolution. Where people like. You're creating it but what was kind of a moment that you look back on. Now as you're finishing writing season four that was like a highlight like. Oh Shit this character or these characters. This storyline really added flesh and teeth. To where this person was even from the feature film to the first season Lionel storyline last season season three meeting with the take character and sort of really getting out. Lionel has been our eyes and ears to the queer experience of winchester but Lionel himself. You know part of what his character is about is sort of learning to open up to a new world that has always felt a little bit bigger than him in intimidating. And so you know. Because he's our is near the world winchester. We haven't really been able to see a ton of it because he is very early in that evolution and when he meets the ONTA- Andy Kind of opens to this whole other group of people experiences. You know for me. That was gratifying. Because as a queer writer filmmaker I certainly identified with Lionel was is in the story of your white people but I was eager to show you know the world beyond that that sort of like beginner kind of initiation Atlanta was going through and You know to get more of that experience. Into the overall storytelling derived people was very gratified. All of the characters have come such a long way since the movie you know I think Lionel really was on an island in the movie. He you know he was. He was really friends with any of the people yet. And so now he is. He is fully embedded within this community. He has a place within these people and I think for Queer people of color trying to find our place within the larger community of color. You know that that's a big story for me personally. And it's one of many things about that season that I've found so exciting in so exhilarating because we season three really was about the nature of of growth and how unexpected and spontaneous it can feel and how it can happen and how overwhelming it can be but there's also a lot of new possibilities that come from from that experience you know. It's like when we dare to grow outside of what we think of ourselves. It's very frightening. But it's also very hopeful and excited and I just have a lot of fun trying to capture that spirit one of the other characters that I felt like really took took me an acting audiences just in general on a journey was Reggie you know like he I mean he was a heart and then my heart broke for watching. You know him. Being the character that went through a traumatic experience being at gunpoint by a police officer. And you know him being it started. Out as like this revolutionary. Right like we're going to be fighting the man and then coming face to face with what that means and then grappling with the trauma of the confrontation of what it means to be hunted by police. What it means to be seen as a target as this violent offender. Tell me about that story because we got to see honestly not just the he didn't become a Hashtag right. We actually get to see the traumatic impact of that confrontation with the campus police and being at gunpoint. And how you're supposed to the right way or not how you move through that. Yeah I mean we really wanted to get into the humanity of it is sort of beyond the kind of issue based sort of stories on that you kind of find another shows about this sort of topic where it's like. It happens one week and then the characters move on or a character has tragically died or you know sort of like a one time thing you know when we have these experiences in the world they live in for the rest of our lives. And I think the Reggie's life after the experience with the campus police how he is dealing with that trauma to me was the most interesting and helpful part about his journey. And I think you know for Reggie to me. Reggie really is the heart of the show. He has our gut. You know what I mean like Salmon. Lionel fight over intellect to add. Cocoa HAS THE ONE LINERS. She gives us some of our spirit. Reggie's are hard you now and I'm very invested in showing you know what it looks like to become the man that you project yourself to be the beginning of a journey like this and then you encounter hardships and realize how difficult and dramatic instance sort of live up to your own sort of way. See Yourselves I'm very invested in showing Reggie doing that successfully and showing us out to do it and I think we give him a lot of obstacles to overcome. Because we're overcoming ourselves like you know in season three he sorta finds a savior figure in Blair underwood and I think we all I certainly that be especially. When we were making that season I certainly was grappling with what you do when these heroes in your head have lap helped you overcome time and time again all of the negative thinking that society sort of put on me when those heroes themselves are found wanting or devices or dangerous. Or you know we're losing heroes right and certainly with me too movement you know I think necessarily so but still like for black people these are just entertainers or interesting people. These are the people who made us feel. We could do anything and these people who made us feel like we could get out of bed at the boarding gets line were worthy. What do we do in those people? Let us down. How do we find those resources in ourselves? I think that's really the journey of Reggie and you know in that way. He sort of you know for me. He represents where my heart has been at each year. That we've made the show Whatever's happening with Reggie like that is saying something about me emotionally this is. It's a sort of like sneak peek into my inner psyche as it were. Yeah away that you have just develop these characters. How you know connected. People have become to them. Does it surprise you the way that people have connected so much did dear white people and I know that you said like I can't imagine what it's like to land the plane on a journey like this. How do you do that? I guess is really the question like is it a gut feeling that you were like we have to wrap this up or I know how to wrap this up or I feel like it's time to wrap it up. You know the thing about this era of TV is that we never knew at the end of each season. If we were coming back or for a long we were coming back in so I never really had the luxury of being able to plot out like what the show was gonNA definitively be but I certainly you know I've always known for me with the show is really at its core about and this is. I'm doing what I always do. I'm bringing my whole heart into the process. The things that I'm struggling with the things that I'm excited about the things that I'm obsessed with and I'm having all of my writers do the same and you know we all love these characters and so we want to respectfully bring their storylines to a conclusion that feels honest and real. We also are just dealing with our. Shit and art. I mean that's really what you're white people is on this side of it. You know on one hand not surprised that people connect to it because I know I mean we really put our foot in the show like it is not like we're not just doing some. Bs we are really actively thinking about all the choices are going to the show. Were trying to dig really deep every season to put the things that are really on our hearts in the show. So you know. I think it's natural that people will connect to if the creative team is doing that on system basis but on the other end. I don't expect that ever. So you know I have terrible state so I've always a little surprised where people like the things I do. Which again I am in therapy and we are working on that. All a work in progress What does it feel like to you to create these days as you're no longer a newbie right like you have been in this game now for quite some time you had a lot of success and again I say that to you you may you may challenge yourself in other ways but from the outside? I will say you've had tremendous success. What does it mean to be a black? We're creative right now for you. In Hollywood is a battle is a battle. I am very grateful that I've had success in that. I get paid to do what I love to do. But you know all of the sort of insecurities and and it's not like was me situation but like yeah gone up. Clear and black is not easy. It's not easy and just to get into the industry. You have to fight so hard to get people to see you and to get people to think of your stories as important as the other stories that are dominating the culture and once you get in there that Dr doesn't really turn off that sort of feeling that people aren't getting are they. Aren't seeing you or you know the difficulties of making things for me versus. I'm looking at my sort of white straight. Counterparts is so evident all the time that it's a little hard to serve not see some of the challenges that are in your way even with success and I think there is a greater pressure because especially you know our folks because we have so little. We have so few pieces of content. We do get things you know. We're very critical. And I think that that's great. I think that's Norton but there's a lot of pressure to sort of tell everybody's story but tell your own be truthful and also conform to the marketplace just so you can have funding to do it. That's a lot of things to juggle. And certainly the voices in my head that tell me. I'm not good enough or I don't really belong here or an impostor. Those voices are very much with me. A as I do this work. You know I'm no different than anyone else. Who is dreaming to be in this spot? You know I'm still once you get there you still the same brain still put together the same way you know for me. It's really just about like not not leading success become a burden or become a pressure point or become you know sort of this obstacle that can never be over common. Just try to work for my most authentic self as much as I can and I think I would I have to make peace with. Is that like? I'm an artist likes to challenge. I like making things that challenge audiences to watch differently to grapple with questions when the thing is over and you know that's not always the same thing as making something that's just popular and fund that makes people happy that's not might have. My Path is to make things that make us see ourselves differently. The response to that is a very complicated thing and you know it's funny. I was at Sundance last time in. Everyone's talking about like your white was such a darling was such a huge hit nonstop and I just remember at the time when your white came out like. I didn't feel that way. I ate dialing the no I I absolutely did not feel like a timing of the industry. Was you know having the final these battles just to get a release into an APP marketing budgets and you know these. Qna's were rallying man thanks dear wikipedia at the time was still really new. The concept of like a multi protagonist group of people of Color Shot in the cinematic style and was weird and outside the but that was like a new thing in twenty or d. You know now it's sort of like a given but at the time did not know what to do with that movie or to you know not everybody knew what to do with it. It was not universal embrace sort of remembered that way which is interesting but I just have to keep reminding myself bet you know. I'm not doing it for just unabashed popularity or you know praise. I'm doing it because I love art. That makes us think and wakes us up and inspires. Us and lights is on fire. That's the kind of art I love to consume you so it's not all stay grounded in that because that to me. I mean that sounds beautiful and real and incredibly authentic. And you're you're navigating that and holding that in a town that is anything but how do you not let the perceived popularity get to your head? How do you not like start to ride your own? Shit you know. Eventually and certainly makes it very hard to ride roaches. No I mean look I get a bad review or you know a random person I don't know sort of makes you know big attempt to let me know they didn't like something. I stopped cuts really deep. And I think for me. It's just been about trying to break into the industry. It's always been about whoever they are the audience a the executives the public. Whoever it's always been about like you know how do they see me and my value is only as high as other people. Decide that it is and on the other side of you. Know having a breakthrough success like I did with the way people. The movie on this show is sort of having an internal sense of when I've done something in when I've completed something when I believe something that you know is separate from its reception. It's box office. It's whatever its acceptance into this festival where that I have to have something going on inside of me. That tells me good job. Justin that separate even while I make things for other people. Obviously you know I want audiences to come to my stuff to get things out of it but it really has been about developing that internal sense of you know this is good enough and euro. And here's another story. That is worth telling. Do you think that we will see whenever we come out of this current moment whenever we come out of this global pandemic and we start to Rehab it. The New Earth as people are saying we find ourselves further along in this transition. What do you think that the responsibility will be of art to kind of tell the story of what we're going through and how we're going through it out? The responsibility will be taken with honesty. I think this is going to be a very hard thing to make. Sense Os while we're experiencing it. I think we're all trying to. I think it's important to try to like explain and talk about what it's like as we're going through it but I I really feel like we're not really going to know what this meant until we're out of it and you know it's going to take some time to really truthfully reflect on this time period because while we're going we're all still gathering so much information we're still processing. It helped the response to it will be honest one. Otherwise you know. I don't want it to just be like tragedy porn or like or escapism. Either what we just never deal if it ever is sort of you know. I don't know what it means yet. You know we haven't gotten to that I I I don't you know there's so many things that as pan-demic is going to have an effect on that we cannot imagine right. Now you know part of me just wants to sit quietly and watch and see what this is going to do. And I'm certainly hopeful about certain aspects of it but I'm terrified about others especially the economic impact on on the world was country specific. We want people to call her. Of course black folks are being affected. Disproportionately by this endemic which to me is not a surprise nowadays. Not Not even paying attention. But what does that mean for US afterwards? You know. I'm still absorbing with that. Yeah it's all really interesting and I think that it varies in how and who I talked to. Where in what industry that they happen to be in the political is that I talked to. They're talking about you. Know the responsibility of government help people will see leadership differently for folks that are writers. You know actress. They're thinking about like you know. How do I tell this story? And what is the story? Look like moving forward and I guess we will wait and see but one of the last questions that I always ask people on. Pm Mood is how do you get in the mood to change the world to get in the mood to change the world for me it? It always has to be about returning to myself. I can't change the world unless I change myself and unless I try to remove the obstacles within me to my greater self my higher purposes you know for me. It's about being as careful as I can with myself as gentle as can with myself me. It's about a Buddhist practice about therapy. It's about finding an outlet for all the things that go through my head. It has to start with the individual. I think it really. Does you have to know yourself and you have to know your own trauma and understand your own reflexes. Two things to really effectively be able to connect with other people and make change. So I I don't know that's my sort of Koumba Yalla Lancer. I love it. Thank you Justin so very much for the work that you do for the art that you create for the honesty that you have about all of it. It's so tremendously refreshing. 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PSN Name Changes Are Coming?!- Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.04.18

Kinda Funny Games Daily

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PSN Name Changes Are Coming?!- Kinda Funny Games Daily 10.04.18

"Games. This is kind of funny games daily for Thursday, October fourth, two thousand eighteen. I want here host Jared, petty alongside pinch hitter Eddie Cortez. Hey, guys. Hey, so our guest is caught in the nightmare of San Francisco traffic, Steve from the tend to everything is on the way, but it's time to go live. So Andy, thank you for graciously agreeing to appear. I what are we talking about today? What are we talking about? We've got this handy printed out script here. Hello, the news of gaming that's fit to hear fit for human ears, but I want to remind everybody that can watch live on twitch dot TV, slash kind of funny games that they can watch later on demand on YouTube dot com. So I kind of funny games indeed, as watching the show, then go to kind of funny dot com. Slash you're wrong and let us know we're getting wrong wrong and go patriots dot com. Slash kind of funny games if you want to back to show financially and we hope that you will. I would love if kind of funny dot com slash ee wrong. Just said Andy's on the show. Andy's on the show. That's that's the best you never done this, never. I mean, I've never. I've only done the show like five times. Oh, okay. We got to fix that. I mean, we don't have to. I think we need to Jared, Andy kind of funny. Glenn Staley, spectacular. I think I'm fine. You hit doing game sealing. Just the United States? Not for me. I just don't. I'm not this. I'm the number one game journalist, but I'm not the number one news guy. You know what I mean? Do you even believe that there's anything to the illusion that any of us have a clue what we're talking about? It's a good point. Yeah, great pointer. And honestly, this ship of fools housekeeping, extra life, two thousand eighteen November. Third, we'll be streaming games and should add against for twenty four hours as we raise money for children's miracle network hospitals join or donate now at kind of funny dot com. Slash extra life. That's kind of funny dot com slash extra life, and we hope that you will also just pulling them here. New episode of red dead radio is up with lots of breakdown of the new red dead redemption to trailer. Lots of spoiler free stuff just going in and taking a look at a lot and the neat mechanical stuff in the locations from that. Hope you take a look at that and go to red did read it at a common, find that or to my YouTube channel hop. LIPA jump Friday. I'm going to be one of many guests on a game, scoop five hundred, five hundred episodes of Jesus games lease been around for ten years before I was born. Yeah. I mean, you are indeed youngest among them nine years old. I know. So how old are you? Andy, I'm thirty. You're thirty thirty years old and could glue. Younger than thirty never been kissed. It's freaking amazing. Never been against. I mean, it's just it's the the kiss. The hair's gone. You know, it's been going for a while chaired, but but I but I just don't have. I don't get the wrinklies really easily. I think I'm fortunate for that. No, I, I think it's a good look for you. Thank you. I like at night I hear looks marvellous I would kill tab your hair. Today's episode is brought to you by third love and Luke crate, but we'll talk about that later because right now it's time for what is and forever will be the Roper reports. Time for some news, six items on today's Roper report. Does I item today from Nintendo? Everything's met O'Keefe an update to the rumor of the new switch model coming in the second half of two thousand nineteen that Nintendo switch and play with that thing here and there you heard Jared excited about this according to a translation of a report from the Wall Street Journal, Japan intendo plans to launch a new version of the switch in the second half of this year. We'll update as the story develops, and now the update the American Wall Street Journal just reported on the new switch model. Here are some details about Nintendo's plans including possibly improving the display. Then we'll still debating about what new hardware and software features to include in the upgrade and weighing the cost of the features. Peter people with knowledge of the discussion said, one option is improving the dissolute play. The current switch uses a lower end liquid crystal display without some technologies that are. Tendered and more recent smartphone LCD's updating the display. These technologies would make it brighter thinner and more energy efficient, hey, very important family that battery live, right? The updates which isn't expected to adapt the organic light emitting diode or, oh, LED panels used an apple Inc.'s iphone x. series. Nintendo was looking to release the new switch in the later half of twenty nineteen. Perhaps as soon as the summer the people said. So Andy, my friend, Tim gettys been talking a lot about this possibility of a new switch. These new features, he and I have some kind of bad about this thing. I've forgotten what the terms are. Somebody let us know because I've forgotten what. What's that said? I think you're losing. No, it wasn't about there being a new switch. It was about what it would do so. Oh, really? Yeah, it was about because Tim is convinced this new thing is knocking doc. Not about not about the TV connection. No, his his push point. So what do you, what do you think? I I disagree with that. I think it's just going to be sort of a, I would like a bigger screen. Uh-huh. Better screen a bigger screen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So you you a bigger handheld screen? Well, I mean, I think it's it could take up more of the of the real estate. Okay. There's enough benzel on the switch where you could have more room for display. I see. Okay, actually, what the unit to be larger. You want this larger similar to how the apple watch like it's the same size, but it's just taking up more. I want that give me a better battery. Most importantly, I, this is going to have to be new switch related gimme a damn net flicks app. Offline mode. That's what I want. Well, you know, you've already got cool. Greg, watching Hulu on a switch and he was with it. So I mean that flexes the line download off line mode when I'm on a flight, I want to be playing some switch and then just switch to the Netflix app instead of having a bus- on my laptop on my phone or whatever switch to that Netflix out right there just want to do it as a bad snap. Sorry about that. I think it was. So you really you are interested in having more entertainment apps on your switch? Yes, one hundred percent. So we got a question here from Anthony Kelly in Hong Kong who says, hi, Jared, and Steve, he didn't know it was going to be Andy then attend will be launching a new switch hardware revision next summer. What changes major or minor would you like to see them make to the hardware? I personally just like to see a better kick stand, but if they could add a larger ten eighty p that's it. Just the cakes. If they get out larger ten eighty p screen to bump the CPU to push those extra pixels, I'd be tempted to get one maybe with a better CPU that get higher quality video capture or some other nice bells and whistles who am. I kidding? I'm just waiting for an excuse to become a to switch household. A significant hardware revision might get me what would be charming and a significant hardware vision might be. What gets me to buy that second system, give me a bluetooth audio, but that's what hardwood kids both want to see next summer. So you're saying bluetooth audio to audio screen. I know that when. I don't know when this was Kevin, but we all played for night one day on switch, and we all had to resort to discord for chatting because you know, Kevin was like auto one is I have to sit a foot in front of my TV because my headphone cables only so long. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think bluetooth audio sort of a must. I think it'd be I don't think you could excuse them not putting bluetooth audio. It's like a must have because of the physical design that prohibits them. All right. Legit, audio, bigger screen for you. And like you says it better CPU to push extra pixels higher res- I don't care about the resolutions I don't need. I don't think ten eighty is required. I think I would like a better quality display. Yeah, still seven twenty just bigger because you're going to get better battery life. I don't think I want ten eighty on anything that small, the smallest switches screen Tenny come back to bite you with text and things like that because I'm an old man. Sure. Battled, it'll look nicer for sure. But I, I don't think it's that necessary when you were playing in hand hill. I mean, we'll also now let me preface this by saying, I mostly play docs, so people back home, you know, or people just on the internet who play hand held a lot of probably the screaming at their wherever they're listening to this. I don't know. I want seventies brace for hand-held. I'm fine with that. And I do think that guarantees more of your life to the kick stands, a big deal. I know that sound silly, but he'd better kick stand would make this what you better prop your. I think the kick stands a big deal. I think another thing I'd really like to see them change in a new model would be simply giving me some kind of new joy con option with a deep hat on it, release it at the same time, something I can switch out something better than Hillary. Yeah, no, no something. Yeah. Something better than the Horry something I party something, which just with an intendo style deep hat on it that I can switch out. My left joy, Khan and play in a games. I want with deep added really liked to be able to do that. And I think that'd be that'd be a logical time to introduce a product like that. I like this, which. Biggest thing of all, though there's been a lot of talk about overheating, battery, cracking, etc. Around the switch. I'm so lucky to have avoided all that. And I just want a piece of hardware that doesn't of issues like that. I am not very forgiving of hardware that causes people problems. Soon after purchase, I want reliability more than anything else. Don't give me a single new feature, make it more reliable that wonder why. I wonder what the percentage rate is is on that. I don't think we will ever know. Expanding really Optima. Yeah, Barrett's was having he was having some problems with it. I know that when the whole XBox red ring the three six years happening, they released the reports that fifty one percent statistically, and this is an absolute fact one hundred twenty percent of all XBox three days eventually suffered the red ring of death shore. Yeah, yeah, I feel that. Yeah, there were actually more red ring failures than there were XBox. Makes sense. That makes that's that's a fact right there. So it sounds, but you and I both think this is going to be switchable. Still the switch is going to. It's going to remain doc -able. Okay. I think we get that Tim gettys getaway Don dock. It is now you just coined it. My friend coined it. I'm gonna check on our guest here. Real quick changes are going to be super minor. Maybe just a little bit bigger screen I would. I wouldn't be shocked if it's not operable, but I think that like we're not gonna get many changes, and I think that like a year and a half from now they're gonna announce the next one. So you think it's going to be more of an iterative like the like the iphone s. version the DS. Oh, how many different versions of DS show? I think it's possible that you'll have a DS one eventually. I don't think they give up on the switch narrative of the switch for another year, but I do think we get better docks, so that'd be nice. I think we'll get better docks, maybe smaller, less intrusive, really. I don't think so. The only people I hear arguing for a switch that doesn't doc are people that don't place which docked. I think there's a market for that, but those people have already bought a switch number. There are, I think, making it cheaper as a how. I think you're gonna pull that off. He arrives just in time Andy data in here. Save you. Thank you for filling in Andy, Steve, from the ten, though, everything all Ambi walking away with the notes and he's walking back with the notes arrived. At the perfect moment, we were just reading the Nintendo. Everything story about the upcoming rumored new switch. Oh, I was just talking about this with Andrea from game. Explain this morning. Excellent. Kevin, are we getting good audio from Steve here? Absolutely. All right, then let's continue. Steven, welcome by the way. I'm Jared. It's nice to meet you face. All right. Here we go. So let's talk about. Let's talk about what this thing might be. We've already heard Andy's opinion. We've already heard my opinion. I'd love to know what you think. So I'm thinking that we're getting a upgraded switch. There have been very quiet rumblings about it since almost the launch of the original. When we all discovered that there was a Tigra x one in that thing and the Tigra x. two had already been out for what six months to a year I'm expecting. We see a terra x. to version of the switch. I don't expect it to be some crazy world ending upgrade. It's not going to be like the difference between PS form PS four pro by do expect. We get something along the lines of a DS I or a three d. s. actually you're expecting something with improved software processing capability. I mean, something that were exclusives, for example, would there be exclusive games the second iteration switch? I doubt it. I don't think so because the switches already wildly popular. And the last thing you want to do is fragment that user base. I'm thinking what we're going to see is something that is more akin to the relationship between the PS four and the pro where all the games run on it, but they run slightly better on this new switch. So I would, I would say, you know, I mean, there's parts where even. Launch titles, Nintendo them first party efforts kind of chug at certain spots. Mario odyssey doesn't look so great. New dunk city breath of the wild takes a huge hit. When you go to the sacred forests, I'm thinking that you'll probably get better performance. Like more consistent frame rates may be slightly better visuals, but nothing that's going to, you know, I wouldn't say it will be on the order of PS four to PS four pro, but it will be a similar scenario. Software wise, I disagree. I think we'll get that piece of hardware. I think we'll get at least a year from now, but I'll be fascinated to see if you're right or not. You know more about this than I do. So I suspect you are, but I think it is entirely too soon to to give an iterative version of the hardware that actually provides better performance. I think that and I think that's that narrative. We're a little too far out for that. I think one more year that's forgivable at this point. I'm just going to be mad if they do that. No, I don't think so. I think it's feature oriented stuff even if there's tech wrecks to in there. I think it's going to be either a resolution increase or to be able to handle new features. I don't think that they'll improve before. I'll put five on that. All right. I'll put five on that sounds good. Right? Shakin every hour shaken. It's a bet indeed. Breaking news ticker exit. No, let's say I never do on the rope reports game developers. Say they're preparing for PS n. name changes this Jason, schreier of Kentucky. Let me tell you what Kevin's going to come after me after the show is going to be like, Jared, what's the meta data? What's the headline? Do I go with new switch? Or do I knowing the kind of funny games, daily audience, knowing the kind of funny, best friends go with the single most requested feature in this community in the history of the universe, the changing of names. Let's find out as PlayStation universe users across the world. Wonder whether they'll ever get to change their names from or two x goose broth, four twenty. The option now seems closer than ever developers of multiplayer games, Tokyo Taku that they're preparing for PlayStation network. Name changes to finally come soon. Three people. With three different game studios speaking anonymously, because we're not authorized to talk to press said that in recent months, they've been fixing bugs, tweaking settings and ensuring that their games are compatible with Sony's plans. A fourth person who worked for a game studios here to photo attain from internal Sodhi documentation of PS in profile containing the option, edit username. The documentation was a guide for changing one's name on the PlayStation network. That person said, we don't yet have any sort of time frame for the feature. There's developers suggested as a result of how ideas were originally implemented looking your account. I to username rather than some sort of universal unique identifier retroactively fixing old multiplayer games might be time consuming and difficult prospect. So neat did not respond to requests from comment this once again, Jason schreier from Kentucky comes from Jason, you know, it's legit. Is that how it works? That's how it works. Everything Jason says is true. And occasionally he delays no man's sky, both. He's right about everything. So are you ready for it? Do you believe we can live in a world where this is possible? I need it. I, I am ex- ex- Goku suffer for twenty. What is your? Do you feel comfortable sharing it on the air? Yeah, I'm fine with that is real humour, and it is. It's a throwback to my character from the Dreamcast days. Oh my gosh. Seem relevant anymore. MAGS all the MAGS that you collect it. Oh, my God. So many I had. I had all of them, especially. You saw to-. I still have. I have, no, no joke a PS Osasco MAG toys. Sitting on my desk at home, fantasy store online. Those were the days. All right. So Steve, you're ready for it and you think it's real. When do you think we see this rollout? Do you think it'll be based on the tech finished? Or do you think they're going to time it for some one of the shows? You know, there's no PS little. Pardon me. There's no press conference coming this fall. Where do you think the announce it right, and that's a really good question. I honestly do believe it's a matter of when the tech is ready. I have a friend who works at Sony as a programmer who was assigned to at one point in his career. PSA name changes. He intimated to me that the process of getting this done was just insane that there was so much red tape and that the systems that they were working with, we're just insanely difficult to actually. Get this request through on that. And this was something he told me three or four years ago. So they've been working on this for a long time. And I do think it's just a matter of they're probably so sick and tired of hearing about it that as soon as it's ready, they're just going to send it out via press release or a PlayStation blog post. I think it will actually be comparatively to its impact a little unceremonious well, it could be or Sony could if they so chose contact us here kind of funny because I don't know if you've heard, but we're hosting a winter press conference. I did where we've got some games to show off of Sony wanted to announce this change there that they wanted to make a big splash, you know, saying the owners open. So give us a call for be glad to hear about it. Number three pub g gets a ranking system this from Nick. At I g n Nixon, tangible, Nick sent tinge Alito. He's told me how to say it at this point. You know what? It's from Nick pub g. four PC received patch twenty two yesterday which introduced a new ranking. System inspired in part by the games. Mobile version also included in the patch is a new anti cheat system. We'll style quick. Select menu for healing, throw items and the return of map selection. The new ranking system offers players. Eight ranks from bronze to grandmaster to move through ranks, her signed on earned, rank points with players being assigned. The first rank after completing ten placement matches. Players will then move up or down in the system as they play based on their current rank points which will be awarded according to in game performance puppies. Franken system does not have its own matchmaking the way many other competitive games do for such systems instead player. Performance will be tracked through standard matches you play in the pub. Gee, I am not. I jumped on the fortnight trained pretty early and pudgy never really became a thing. I Donald with the mobile version for a little bit. I had a few friends that were playing it, and to me, it just felt like an inferior version of fortnight at that point. Which broke. I like I like cartoony cartoony games. Do you like the cartoons? You like what about a fortnight for you? So fortnight. Okay. So first off, I'm going to shatter even more hearts. I like fortnight, but I don't like battle royale so so it's kind of a one to, right? Yeah, I know I played it, save the world or bust. All right. Fucking awesome. I don't care what you say. I I work at an intendo blog, and it breaks my heart that my favorite version of fortnight is not available on the on the gender. Oh, that's that's beautiful. By the way, shoutout to Amanda, my friend who works on save the world over there at epic. Those folks working hard laying the foundation that caused that whole explosion. Well done indeed. So there's nothing in the world. I care about less than ranking and video games, but lots of people do so good for y'all. Enjoy that pub. Gee, let's move on to story number four. The live action mega man movie. It's finally official. God last updated by any mccook of gamespot. Cap calms live action. Mega man movie which we first heard about back in two thousand fifteen is now finally official the Japanese publisher confirmed everything that was remembered before Henry Houston, Ariel, Schulman who directed paranormal activity three and paranormal activity for our writing and directing the mega man film which is tentatively titled mega man plan to the studios. Twentieth Century Fox is distributing the movie and Sherman. Entertainment is producing heroes. Actor mossy Ota is producing as well based on the influential globally. Beloved mega man franchise Capcom aims to appeal to a diverse audience including not only game players, but action movie fans as well with an adaptation that maintains the world of the mega man games. Well, incorporating the grand production and entertainment value that Hollywood movies are known for Capcom said in a press release. I don't even know what to say. This is going to be Super, Mario brothers movie all over again. I want to know who was thinking that this was a good idea. And was it the same people that that stopped the that a grim dark mega man, first person game that we saw a few years back because I would take that over this. I don't pretend to understand how movies get made. I've had plenty of opportunities to sit down with people that have been part of this production processes. And at this point it really does seem like there's just a magic eight ball, shaken it, and you turn it over. And then that's what, but there's a huge first off a huge difference minute name a movie being announced in a movie, getting made yesterday variety reported that a DDR movie has been announced. Did you hear about this? I did not dance dance revolution. The movie is also coming except that I, I wrote a thing for Jian about this couple of months ago, like ninety percent of video game moves that can announce never get made. That's true because unlike video games where he gets announced after it's already mostly done in movies, it gets announced with. Literally, no work has been done. Yeah, there's like a director attach. Yeah, and maybe maybe a script if you're lying, and so this may never happened, but let us hope. I, I love Meg men where you fall on the blue bomber. I love him. I actually just published a piece yesterday on Jian about the top ten mega man bosses of all time. That was you. That was me. No kidding. How many megabytes eight bosses were on that list? There were three. I like mega Manny. Get off my set. Yet off my set. Can we at least agree? Metal man is number one. Agree. Middleman is number one. Middle man's weapon is number one. Metal man is the owner of middle man's weapon. Yeah. Oh, when you think about mega man, metal man's got to be at equipments. Whip there too quick man is way up there. Flash man up there. And the question is way up to three mega man, eight boss, you know, again, I just threw up in my mouth a little bit, but yeah, I think we can both agree. We love mega man. I loved eleven. I really enjoyed. It was fantastic. It was the best four hours I ever spent with the blue bomber, I think, which is saying something because I just plead through x legacy collection one, not too. Oh, and I make him in eleven is probably my favorite mainline game today. Wow. Oh my goodness. We don't have to talk some mega man together, so yes, yes. But when it comes to mega man, live action, movies, some things you just look at it and you go, that's not a good idea, right? It's not the right medium for mega man at all. He should be in a cartoon, like even mega man. Eleven has this kind of Saturday morning cartoon art style to it in a way like in the voice acting is kind of Hammy and the way that would fit like a like a cartoon. Yeah, they're, they're talking to kind of funny morning show. I mean, it is Twentieth Century Fox. Which means the Disney umbrella. Why in the world isn't this like a wreck Roustam movie. Right, exactly. It would be fantastic and that kind of medium, but putting a dude in the suit, no, come on. We learned nothing from Ryan Reynolds and Greenland, or I know the only way I think I go for this is if they get. Like Jeff bridges and put him in the original, like the mega man cover art for Marianne one at box. If they put him in that if it's Jeff bridges and he's wearing that, then I'm in otherwise, I am. There's there's just no way I have doubts that that will happen, but I would pay to see it. All right. By the way, Nick, I know you tweeted me and said how to say in a last name correctly. This going back story and I completely lost that tweet. Would you send it again because I'm at this point, really embarrassing myself is not a hard name to say. I'm just an idiot. Moving on here. This one Sony reveals November's PS plus games. Extremely early. This by Adam bankers, divide Jen Sony is seemingly revealed two of the free PS four titles for the pace PlayStation plus lineup for November extremely early. They are yakuza Coombe, Kyalami and bullets storm full clip addition on the official PlayStation plus page yakuza, q. army and bullets. Storm full clip edition, both remastered appear with a text. Oh, vendor free PS four games. No further information is present announcing these games. This early is not par for the coast for Sony, as example Tober three games including Friday. The thirteenth in laser league revealed on September twenty six. Just a few days before the end of the month, somebody hit the wrong switch. It has to be. I can't imagine that they would just pull those names out of a hat and put up a Ronin blog post. It just doesn't happen that way. These these are the games. We're going to get November. Somebody is probably deep crap over at Zony right now every now and then somebody presses the wrong button. I have seen it happen in this industry where where tweets go out or messages go out that we're place holders while you're on the wrong date or all kinds of stuff. You're scheduling your scheduling some content in your CMS and you put the wrong month and sometimes and sometimes CMS just doesn't to that happens. Occasionally we were during the last direct. We were writing up news stories, and I had an entire thing written for. Split tuned four point, -o update, complete with assets and tax, and our system just swallowed it. And we had to rewrite it within like two or three minutes just to get out the door by the way to those who don't know CMS content management system. Oh, yeah. That is, which is a term we probably take for for granted, but I think we probably do a little bit those of us in the industry, but it's basically where you stage all your articles that you eventually see, we schedule them and then they eventually just magically appear on the front page. We hope. Yeah, sometimes they're just gone. Final one here monolith soft recruiting, first production development staff for a new RPG project. This from celery mono Matsu Mondo sauce. I production development department which created ZIM ably chronicles Zena. Blade chronicles x. Zena. Blake chronicles two is hiring staff for the development of new RPG project. The studio seeking programmers, including graphics, programmers, character control programmers, and a programmers planners, including level designers, technical artists for modeling ta animation, ta ta designers, including matte model. In game, animators character models, character designers for the artwork staff and scripted creators and management support staff, including production assistance and event production management to work on the RPG. Well, there we go. I'm deeply interested in this. I actually just spoke to the team behinds unemployed chronicles too. I want to say about a month ago, we did an interview with them and ask them what was next following the release of the expansion golden country of Torna and they told us they had nothing in mind which clearly seems a little disingenuous. But they did. They were pretty quick to say that they were done with xenobiotic chronicle series for now. Okay. So I'm thinking that this might be an all new property for them or or a continuation of an older existing. What would you like to see for monolith Knicks? The one thing I can't have, which would be a proper sequel Zennoh gears, I'd like to see something in that series again, but that's never happened mega man, eight Zana gears. We are two strikes here to to strike Steve. I thought I liked you. I don't understand that. It's still so much common ground though. Man, I'm just being me. Zennoh gears is good. Now Zinni gears is sin Aguirre's sinecures. Sinecures make the argument presented because I'm being I'm being a jerk here. So Zennoh gears and okay. So to be fair, I might be looking at it with rose tinted glasses a little bit. The last time I played it was in the ninety s and I was sixteen years old. So you know, maybe twenty years has changed. I haven't gone back to it, but I, I really liked it. The main character I thought was cool. You know the idea of a martial artist piling piloting giant robot I thought was kind of cool like he had that second evil side to him it, and that changed his his doll to be like more evil, bad ass, looking representation of itself. I felt that the, you know, it kind of, I'll be honest. I don't remember many of the story beats at this point, but I felt that it was like a solid RPG for the time it was. How did you feel about the them running out of money? And now you're sitting at a chair for a desk. Okay. I didn't like that. Okay. I'm not gonna lie, but if you're talking game play wise, I it, it reached a certain point. But yeah, then there were games that were not finished that I enjoy metal gear. Solid five was obviously. God, you know, absolutely love that game. Even though it was obviously not done. Oh, yeah, it was. It was like somebody at some point late in development told Jima pack up your desk. Yeah, and everyone else threw up their hands. They're like, we're not finishing it. We don't even know what he was doing. Fine ship it up. It's done. We'll we'll put the stuff on a bonus DVD which is amazing because it's still spectacular video game. But yeah, Zuniga's not really my Cup of tea, but I do like does something somebody I really do like about it is the weird wacky degree of imagination that goes into it, that kind of boundary pushing stuff. I also think I believe this paraphrase is correct. I'm thinking back into member, but I think it was Scott Sharkey. Who said that the Zanna gears. Was like somebody played mad libs with the bible. And I think I hope I'm getting that quote, right, and I think there's there's something to that end of it too. But yeah, I like model stuff in general, and I wanna see more comeback. Yeah, definitely. I can't wait to see what they're what they're planning, but that's a long time away. Now Steve, you you watch her show here. We haven't had time to prep beforehand, but I think you're aware that you're about to be about to be handed a challenge because we're going to switch segments here is this the game that's coming out later, but if I wanted to know right now what games I could play today for the first time, where would I go? Where would you go? Why I guess you would go to the official list of upcoming software across each and every platform is listed by the kind of funny games. Daily show hosts each and every weekday. That. Tada. Nice. Yeah, there Kevin, I don't want filter, especially throaty. Yeah, yeah, very good out today. Hey, and again, we got you here on the right day of the week, which Thursday? Oh, yeah. All right. Starting next with the PS four game freaky. Awesome. For PS four for Takia too. The sequel to fruit talk you. I don't know for critically acclaimed free, talk aim for for switch heavy burger for switch. Everything about that sounds tasty. Jetta Mero hero of the universe for switch. KOMO for Camano KOMO friends, pike cross for switch all we can guess what that one is cross for switch. Man. I'm doing my spirit Japanese translation your, I forget translation just prince. I can't talk the midnight sanctuary for PS force, which meant I assume this is pronounced ru, ascension switch. I think so party crashers for PS four and switch revenue dogma for switch. I think that was, of course, I took in third year theology. Six sides of the world for switch soul, blight for switch splash blast panic for switch trouser heart for switch, which I am playing just on the name trouser heart sounds like the sequel to Dragonheart. I always wanted. What would the rating on that being it's Sean Connery voice in a pair of pants as opposed to a big dragon. That's my hope I like it. Yeah, it's a night and his pair of pants traveling across the world. It's bold, innovative and vertical drop heroes HD for switch. Some new dates, courtesy of Nintendo. Everything here. Those guys obviously not definitely not definitely not clearly who are they? Who are who are those into everything people. I don't know. They're not living the Nintendo life, though. They aren't, I know, but the room switch October eighteenth nine operators, October twenty six for switch. Saved me Mr.. Taco Tussaud kit. They tuck Assan heading this witch October. Thirtieth very excited about this. Yes, that's about it. So I played it at packs and it is an absolutely lovely GameBoy inspired switch game, which is just kind of weird to hear out loud, but it plays as though it's basically like a platformer where you take control of an octopus and do. Standard eighties nineties platforming things, but it has the unique slant the it's like you're playing the game on a super Game Boy, which is if you've never played the super Game. Boy, it was an attachment for the super Nintendo that you can put Game Boy games into and would throw completely terrible color filters over the entire gray scale game. So there's actually two buttons dedicated to just changing the color of everything in the game to look godawful, and it's completely on purpose, and I love it. I'm a huge fan of the super Game Boy myself, really, really enjoy it how I've had a lot of fun playing around with that. Love the super Game Boy to even more. It's blue. It's awesome. You can hook it to another super Game. Boy, it's weird and it's, I think, fixes some of the timing air. Yeah, until super Game. Boy, it does. Yeah. And the link cable shenanigans between two people playing super Nintendo's to play Pokemon is fantastic and absolutely. And then finally monster boy for PS four and switch. That's December. Fourth, that's been delayed enough. The sequel well, the pseudo inspired seeks. Well to right. They're, they're basically taking the the wonderboy in the dragon's trapper out. Yeah. Redoing an old Sega master system game with modern art. It looks nice. I will be honest feels like a discount version of wonder, boy, but you know, it's in the same series. It's just a different group that's doing. It's not lizard cubed this time. Yeah, I had somebody say actually the sequel is sponsor world four for the Sega mega drive. Yes. I know we're going to talk about wonderboy lineage and you were talking about you want to talk about a tumbleweed. Oh yeah. Go all the way back to the adventure island wonderboy beginning and what that very, very quickly. Monster world turns into its its mayor. You got those weird like monkey king games off to one side that are other own thing. And, oh, yeah. I had a Sega master system as a kid, and I couldn't keep track of those games. Impossible one would pop up in my library and I'd play it and I don't know how it connects to them. It's great in the dynastic hero. For some reason, you're a beetle man. Who knows? I think people that say that we're just throwing darts at a wall. And saying, okay, that's we got a beetle dude and a monster. Let's let's go. So before we go out onto the next segment, you really did not a chant get a chance at all at the beginning of the show to do what we normally do, which is have you entered east where you come from what you're doing? What's your snow? Steve, a little bit about living that Nintendo life? Sure. So as the shirt says, I live the life Nintendo over at Nintendo life. Nintendo life is the world's largest Nintendo Centric website. We get about twelve million page views month, three million unique views. You know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but. I'm their US editor. I've been working there for about three years now where I started out doing just reviews taken any piece of we, you shovel where I could get my hands on and and putting a score to it. Now I focused mainly on our US operations, like planning events, go into each three packs getting working with publishers to get coverage setup for all of our US-based stuff. The main team is out in the UK Damian mcferrin Darren Calvert. Alex Olney our YouTube guy who is I'm told an incredibly accomplished smash player. Oh yeah, he's, he's supposedly the man. I have not yet played against him, and I'm kind of afraid to, to be honest. Carer to play against him. If he's got the skills that I'm told he has. Yeah, I'm not that great. I came in second place in the inner site tournament because I got a little bit cocky and chose review, but I'm told that Alex could probably wipe the floor with me. So yeah, that's me in a nutshell. I've been doing games in general for six years. I started out actually, actually, I have a great story about Greg. Maybe I'll save it for for the next show. All right, forget because you are going to be our guest today on kind of funny games. It'll be doing games cast with the manager petty, and Greg when he gets here is he's getting ear is on his way in right now. All right. Thank you, Steve. I just I felt like you kind of miss that chance. So forgive the midshow house Orgeon guys, but I wanted to make sure that you've got a chance to let you know about all the wonderful things he's doing so you could go and check them out. Deals of the day. This one from her friend, Emmett walk. Could soon your rights in with deals of the day PSA for you guys? 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The rest of the crew is gone too, and that is the effective end of telltale I guess. Yeah, I don't see how they're going to continue to produce anything if they've laid off their remaining staff out. I mean, that's that's the unfortunate truth of it, which is a shame. I actually really enjoyed what they put out. I usually enjoy my job reporting. This sucks. Yeah, it absolutely does. It is a crappy way to to continue through the show. Sumo forks, more folks at telltale looking for jobs today. If you know game industry, jobs, designed jobs, etc. Where these folks might be able to use their skills, seek them out and make those available. Let them let them know. And yeah, thanks for the news Kevin. This from John from Bloomington, Indiana, dear Jared petty, and not for Minecraft Steve. This yet. I'm I'm second Bill to to a blockhead. Well, no, I think he just distinguishing like your sound like James and James, the lesser from scripture. It's more like true. She's just trying to make sure that people understand. There's that that that blockhead and then there's us build a Jit, the OG. I like that. I like that. Yeah, I am the STI. You the original Steve. I mean you you pre Steve, Steve. That's true. I was Stephen before he was that guy's name might have been like Gomer had it not been for you? That's true. They probably saw me and drew inspiration. Yeah. So yesterday on the show you mentioned that split tune to is getting all spooked out for their October event. Splatter lean not only with the lobby area be decked out in spooky decorations, but if the maps themselves will feature graffiti and black light designs as well. You can add to that a special, Mario tennis coop mission that's only accessible in October, and it seems like the is really making an effort to keep their online games going with consistent frequent updates. Do you think this continuous. Flow of content justifies the new Nintendo online subscription to help pay back the cost of staff supporting these games post launch, or is it still just ripping off dedicated fans a PS? Are you team trick or treat? I'm a treat guy myself, Steve. All right. So first off I take exception with the idea that Nintendo is ripping people off for twenty dollars. I mean, when you look at XBox live NPS on which yes are completely better services. They're charging effectively triple, right. So so twenty dollars. It doesn't seem like an unreasonable ask, especially when consumers were kind of educated about this going in, like when the switch launched Nintendo said, hey, we're going to give you a, what was it six months? I think before we launch our big online service and you'll have to give us twenty dollars, and then they extended that out like, hey, we're not ready because we're Nintendo and online as hard. Okay. So we're going to give you another year while we figure it out. And so asking people to pay twenty bucks, I kind of feel is. So much of a rip off. I mean, you're you're, it's twenty eighteen online services cost money in general. I will say that Nintendo's offering is uniquely Nintendo in that are free games. Are any s games. You know, it's it's stuff that we've all played hundreds if not thousands of times before, but. But I think that. You know the. Sorry. Strategy of of doing frequent updates isn't really something new to the online service. It's been something that they did in the we, you just nobody was looking split tune. One got tons of updates. I it. It was frequently updated. You know, before the online service was really a thing. Arms was getting updates. They're still doing those those arms events every couple of weeks. So I think that while it does add value to the service, it's not necessarily because of the service. I think everything's that Nintendo would be doing anyway. I think what you're getting for your twenty dollars is frankly just access to their gated online stuff and some any esque games that you may or may not want, and that's worth it to you. I would say playing online with friends is absolutely worth it. I think the implementation of it is the worst. Much as I love Anton. No, I can't really. I can't really forgive Nintendo online. I can't say it's a good service. It just doesn't online. Play in two thousand eighteen is kind of a given. It should work and it should work. Well, if you didn't do this for a living, would you have an online service? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I before I did this, I, I may take an active XBox live subscription NPS PSN and I don't really have to have those for what I do. And I definitely would keep a Nintendo switch online subscription just to play games like split tune? Mario Kart in arms with my friends. I, I enjoy I hop into split tune at least once a week every week. And to answer your question, John, I m team trick because why not? Why not? I'm always on the losing side though. So if you join me. Team trick be prepared to lose. I make no apologies for it. I am a bad judge of character and I'm a bad teammate, and I apologize for looking down during your answer. I was listening, but I was also checking on the telltale stuff a bit, so that's. That's totally fine. Yeah. This from Brett Shipley. Hey, guys. I was wondering if you could help advise or assist me in some way or another. So I studied video game development and design in college years ago and came out with a diploma. I'm currently not working in the district that I love and I wanna work in, but a job that I dislike, it's actually rather depressing. I've applied for several jobs and never had any lock or applies from ninety percent of companies have applied for. Is there anything I could possibly do to get more attention? Thank you for keeping me and many others loop what's going on in the industry. I listen to every single episode whilst I'm working in my current job and it definitely helps me cope. Thanks for everything to do. And I'm sorry for the essay breath from England. Wow, that is a great question. Brett, unfortunately, I'm not an expert on how to get into the development side of the industry, but I think the the key is to keep plugging away. Passion is really, really goes a long way in any field. I started doing what I'm doing by frankly against the advice of many people doing it for free for a while and shopping stuff around to editors at larger publications and building stories and sharing sharing my enthusiasm about gaming with them and sharing that. I wanted to share that with a larger audience. I think on the development side, I mean, it sounds like you have the training and the skills. It's just a matter of sh. Continually continually bugging people until someone says, yes. And I think that persistence is something that that is true for almost anything. I think that I've worked on both sides to media and publishing and using I, I have the impression that there's a few things. One luck is a huge part of it used to be completely qualified and just not necessarily get the sit down, you deserve, oh, happens. Having a career portfolio of work in whatever your whatever your corner the industry is. And I don't know whether you're an artist, a designer and engineer. I don't know what your role is, but I do know that having a consistent body of up-to-date work that you can point to a even if you're just doing it for yourself something and walk in the interview and say, I made this collaboration projects with small studios, etc. Anything you can do to show that you are up to date on this, that you're in the middle of it that you plugged in that absolutely helps enthusiasm health, willingness to listen and learn helps. But I'm gonna say something that a lot of people aren't going to like to hear. It also doesn't hurt, you know people. Oh, absolutely. Most of the jobs I've ever gotten not just in video games, but in anything in my adult life, knowing people in that industry and in that place has helped it just has, and it wasn't just a matter of ingratiating. It was just when people know you entrust you, they're more likely to forward things to decision makers are more likely to to make stuff like that happened. So I'd say that little networking beyond the link din is very important to getting a job in this industry. Being able to sit down with somebody have a drink, have dinner have coffee accounts for a lot, your thought or. Sure. So Jared's completely right. I shopped around. I built a portfolio of articles on a on a blog that I was not getting paid to. Right. That was my first in two games, journalism. I was writing on actually Kotok his community blog where just members of the community would get together and write whatever they felt like writing. It's still there to this day, a lot of people. Right. A bunch of fun stuff. And I ended up sending articles that I had been writing to Tina Amini who was the deputy editor at Kotoka at the time, Tina Mimi, she is my favorite person friend of the show, Tina Amini indeed, Lutely out. So I sent Tina a few of the articles I was working on, and she decided to share some of those with the larger audience that they had it Kotok and eventually that translated into doing some actual paid work, you know, once upon a time. And then from there, I ended up joining intendo life and since then I've kept in contact with Tina, and we worked together on a few things including my mega man, eleven article that you're not a big fan of. I didn't say I wasn't a big fan of mega man article. I said it wasn't a big fan of mega man. Eight. Having three representatives kick ass. Represents on the list. Who were you? Three. Who were my three grenade man is on there with a throw something at, you know, it was. It was a search man because he's got a homing shot two heads. He's buddies the last on the list. On give me rich man. Who else? Who else? Search, man, I had Astro man, Kei and who who's my third mega Manny guy. And if it's if it's cloud man were just turning the camera. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know what? I will get back to you on that one. The third one on third one, I will be honest. I, I remember. I remember just weeks ago Steve. I'm just being mean to, you know, okay, good guy. I know trust me. Excellent. No, I, I really, really enjoy all things mega man and part of the joy of this industry and having so many people, somebody different backgrounds and opinions. The arguments can be, I think this age of internet anger. We forget that arguments with Pearson friends can be fun and literally like disagreeing with people's, not a sign that you hate them. I think we've come to a quite that their disagreement. And vitriol together before we were all really, really mad if he is ago. That's not how discussion worked on the planet. Instead, we argued, but we did so teasingly friendly and learn new things from each other. So I'd say Hance lap to that cancel at. Hence let we just agreed on handsome, we just hand in hand slapped on it. That's right. Go well. Oh. Yeah, this one from Billy of the door. When I heard about the DVR movie on the show yesterday I lost it. I will one hundred percent see it opening weekend. DDR movies, everything. I didn't know I wanted individual game film. What farfetched video game movie ideas. Do you guys have thanks from Billy. So I mean which farfetched video game ideas have not turned into a movie. I don't know if it's going to be an asteroid's movie for a while that never happened. That's by hundred movie. I aspire hundred movie. I could actually kinda see sort of working and I think it failed though. Didn't it like it didn't come. I don't think it had. A trailer? No, I there, there's there is an article. It's very long article and GM somewhere that are very recently about all of these, like failed movie projects or probably will never happen movie projects out of and they're like sixty of them on now. Yes, and I'm not sure I got everything. I probably some movie producers kid likes the game and they're like, yeah, let's do that. So what's yours. Untitled goose game. We need this to happen. I just want seventy minutes of goose being an asshole. Okay, that sounds fantastic. I like it if we tie it in and I think it needs to be an Edgar right movie. They're tied in with that tot foes vibe may go, yeah. Yeah. The small English village, but but yeah, I can see almost via offshoot of hot fuzz. Okay. Untitled goose game that is spectacular. My pitch, if I'm gonna make Riddick minute, it's like groundhog day every sixty seconds. The movie resets in the does that for ninety minutes. Oh my God, I would watch it. Yeah, at least two minutes up at least two minutes of that. Excellent. Let's we'll minute to be called two minutes. I think so. Yeah, I think that's what you have to call. Okay. Minute to colon two minutes man minutes, so good. Have you have played at play? You played his fantastic over. Sent me a copy awhile back and it is a dictating like lie, don't know what the hell I'm doing half the time in it, but it's like you learn death by death like, okay, I need to get over here and I need to manage my time and it sounds it's so hard to convey with words how fun it is, but it is a fantastic low game. And if you haven't tried it, you absolutely should. And if you're going to get it, get it on the switch. Yeah, it's perfect on switch, and it's one of my, it's one of my game of the year nominees hands down. I love that game. Oh yeah, it's crazy. Squat up this John are for PS four and switch. I love fighting games. My girlfriend and I become incredibly hooked on Jared's favorite blaze Blue Cross tag battle, but she doesn't care for three three games or dragon ball z. So I'd like some best friends to play with and dragon ball fighters. Czyz of the I also play plenty of split tune to and Mario Kart. I'd love squad a fellow squid kids to treat with and take on those dirty triggers in this month. Splat fest PSN named j town four, six, five. That's j. town four, six, five. The letter j t o w n four six, five switch. Get rid of. That's good s. w. two seven three two six six three four, seven, two one. Six. Sounds like something Tom Brady would shout at the line of scrimmage. There we go. All right, but yes, I love that by the way, place Blue Cross type battle. Not actually my favorite fighting game. I really like it but favorite. That's a whole other can of worms. Topic for an entire games cast. Yeah, yeah. Favorite fighting game. Oh, man. You just put me on the spot. I did. I love fighting games and I could probably do do a whole games cast about it as well. But I have to go to school and say street fighter three. Oh, third strike or the very first one that that's a tough one. I would probably say competitively third strike if I'm playing solo the first one, no kidding rat. Oh, that's, that's. That's like that. Thank you think Perry's in there. All right. I wrote a whole taco article on how much I love streetfighter threes Perry. So so. Rid that. Absolutely read that. Okay, that's that's a good article. You should put that on the required reading today. The title that again, the beauty of streetfighter threes Perry, there we go. All right. Now it's time for your wrong. During the show you let us know how what we got wrong kind of funny dot com. Slash you're wrong. And now we're gonna. Look at that list, please vampire. I reached for the your wrong ipad. Bam, bam, bam. Oh, that was that was some lame vamp I that was some lame vamping. All right. You know. You have been a champion coming on your your caught in traffic? Yeah, popped on literally walked in the door. You may have to p for all. I know you haven't touched your water, which I think you probably do. Oh, no, no, no, I definitely need to drink. I thought you just had to be, oh no, it's not just been in enraptured by our conversation. It has been deed been in rapture and hope they think so too. All right. What do we got here? What are we get wrong? Yes. I know it's pronounced dragon ball fighters, e. Fighters fighters. The three mega man bosses from REI. There's remake in eight bosses in Steve's article were searched, man, Astrum an ad sword. Man at number two. Forget swordsman. He's got a fucking flaming sword arm. You can't beat that. You can well. Well, okay. Okay. Yeah, let's let's be literal about it. The point is to beat him, but he's got a fucking flaming sword arm. It's sweet. I just I don't know, man, they even included the move in smash, man. Clearly Novelli top ten. All right. Let's see. What have we got here looking for any of the other breaking news and thank you for pointing out that soared. Man was the one I forgot, which is kind of sad for me because he's clearly my favorite of the three. Let's see. Let's say, oh yeah, there's lots of lots of people here coming into point out that the you're wrong is that Andy was on the show. That's there's, there's at least three of them already. Let's see. There was a mattress in the road people he had to be here. Let's see what else we have here. I think, wow, we, let's say, Jared, you read, you're wrong backwards. I think says kebabs. I don't even know what. How do you? How do you read? 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Power Project EP. 131 - Jeremy Avilla

Mark Bell's Power Project

1:43:04 hr | 3 years ago

Power Project EP. 131 - Jeremy Avilla

"Right. I just put us live on Instagram for a little bit too. Okay. Manoa Instagram, life, making service. Let's see. How do I get Jeremy in there? Oh, what was that? What was that noise house? His fanny pack was pretty loud too. There you go. That's not very good. Let's eat area. That's got him and a little bit of me there, you know, we're good. I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing anyway. We're here today with Jeremy Avila. Is that how we say your name? Yeah, right. A lot of people like the via, but now it's Bill, I feel what is that Portuguese. Yeah, my dad's, my dad was half port, so I'm a quarter Portuguese. I think you're a mentor porterhouse steak. Dude. Why are you here today? Well. Anita job as pavilion. I'll take one of those offices and they're seeing everyone else has a job here and they seem to be pretty happy thought. Maybe it can be the snack coordinator was going to be. It looks kinda complicated and you actually exploded some snacks in there say, oh, you're not doing really good as far as like a snack coordinator because it's all over the floor. I feel attacked because those snacks exploded. I mean the nobody. Nobody can keep this next Cady we hold on a second. Maybe he's trying to provide more work for other people because if he's getting crumbs on the ground, I mean somebody's gotta clean join up. So you might be trying to, well, you know what? I actually used to be a janitor worked at this really nice Ivy league school, go in their selves, math quesions. You know when I was board, go, hang out with my best friend, Ben Affleck after was that inbetween inbetween you dead lifting nearly nine hundred pounds and working out the mall, selling jeans, correct, correct. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Get a lot of time on your hands somehow. You know, make use of my time. So this guy that's standing next to me today, Jeremy. He's been lifting with Jesse mega mind Burke for a long time. Jessie burdock has one of the largest heads in human history. One of the heaviest heads and human history, and you know, Jeremy is somebody that came to Jesse with a good amount of talent. He was strong, explosive right off the bat actually went up in and lifted with you shared the platform with you one day where it was me Jesse you in Chris and. Yep. And we also had Kyle Kingsbury was in the mix as well. And I remember we're dead lifting against some bands, and I was like, okay, I know that Jeremy strong, but you at an in competition and stuff. You didn't pull anything that crazy yet. Things have not gotten to be that nuts at that point. I want to say maybe we're like in the seven still. So it's like I still got some pretty good strength. I wanna just kinda see like if I can, you know, hang with them a little bit on something. And so we pull three plates and then four place. We had a pretty good amount of band tension on there and you're like, just kind of all over the place with your form like you're lifting one lift was good, and what next one was shitty and and I was like, okay, like maybe I can. That's kind of maybe I maybe I could figure out a way to kind of hang in there being the season veteran that I am. I was like, I could figure this out. I think I could get them, you know. And then we got to like five plates and five plays got to be pretty hard for me. And I think I did it for like two reps and it was just slow Rienzi rounded, getting ugly quick. And I was like, yeah, it was pretty good. I mean, it's there's a lot of band. Tension on there, and Jeremy comes over, and I was like, oh, well, I wasn't really trying yet. So. So let me let me try that again. I, I didn't get any better. Of course. He kicked my asset day and that was the first time I, I noticed how explosive you were on a sumo dead lift, and it's really rare for someone have that type of explosiveness honestly, Modell lift being around the other lifters that you're around and seeing the way Jesse coaches people is this is something that you just had like, did you just have this or is this from speed training that you play basketball or like they do some other explosive sport? Or do you know what? What is it from? Do you think. Early? Sure. I've always been pretty explosive athlete, I guess owes able to jump really high. You know, I was younger and you know, I only played football through high school, but I was always pretty fast and always got all these jump really well could always compete for the ball in there and things like that. So I guess that's the only thing I can really look down basketball shit like that. Yeah, I can dunk a basketball. I gotta get like a nice run and start the triple, we'll right, but can get up there. Lot of the grow. A lot of the training we did like early on was jumping sprint work and things like that going through ball. So maybe that's on the do, but maybe just, you know, something I was had all along. What about other people in your family? Is anybody else have like. No, no, yeah. I'm a. I'm like the only one. I mean, you recognize how different it is. Right? Like when I lift three plates or Jesse lifts three plates versus you lifting three plates? Yeah, definitely. They'll something I noticed early on speed and I didn't really when I first started lifting I didn't really have a wariness of like anything around me. I decided like with two other dudes and this, they're like, yeah, that's pretty fast. And I was like, whatever like, no, I didn't think it was too big of a deal. You know, did you learn about speed training and stuff like that too, and then you just thought, well, shit, I should just always go as fast as I can or icon. I don't know. I just went your own way. I just always tried to pull his bassinet. Good. I've always same way at the squad and we own all the lifts. I try to move the way as quickly as possible again. Now jesse's had to kinda slow you down though to right because that was leading to a lot of injury like you would. You're almost like a car in a way. Like if you put too big of an engine in certain types of vehicles, the fricken blow apart because the actual frame of the car can't handle it. Yeah. The way I was training before I was with Jesse, I was. Getting kind of banged up pretty consistently. And he kinda showed me the deadliest heavy less than that's probably been the best thing I've ever done for my doublet at least Lisa's the dead, lift heavy less. So you're just like dead lift happy. Yeah. I mean, I was just, I loved it was funny, and that's a, you know, lifting pretty heavy like twice a week and pretty heavily twice a week I was doing before was with Jesse, and I hit a wall for a while there and. My favorite part of the program. Jessie is probably the dynamic work. That's I think that's been the most helpful for me to spill set up on the bar ten fifteen times and get that I rap. Perfect. Yeah, that's something that a lot of people maybe don't have a good understanding of when it comes to powerlifting. So like if you were to. So three sets of ten and ten cents to three are virtually the same thing in some ways where they're extremely different though. Is that with three sets of ten, it's kinda hard to work on the form and technique that you would use as a powerlifter. Because once you get to like rep number five and rep, number six and stuff, fatigue starts to settle in. And a lot of times fatigue can actually help you perform better. Fatigue can help you tighten up your form on certain lifts, but really to refine that top end strength, you have to do singles doubles and triples very often. So ten sets of three with kind of short periods. You still get fatigued. You still have to kind of battle through it, but the weights are light enough to where the form could be really crisp every single time. Is that what you guys worked on working on trying to keep it. Perfect. Yeah. Just the the Jesse jahnke in the bar off the ground. We'll too much not really like a Yankee like the Yankin gang. Come up or all day long, and then just the, you know. Get your sleep sometimes because I I've been, I don't know in my sleep, yes, and I'm not even knowing I'm yanking away. I mean, just like a monkey. Yeah, like a month and just kind of goes defaults sometimes. Yeah, it's weird. Can't keep your hands off yourself your hands and guy. I mean, it makes sense. So what's your, what's your body weight? I in. What did you total asked me last total twenty one twenty seven and I weighed in at two seventeen and a half or something like that. And yeah, it was probably training around like two twenty six, seven from us. And then for the squat you're, you're wearing what? Three layers, four layers gear. Yeah, of course. I got my briefs on double ply. I mean, I can't believe I gotta pass them. You know. I hope they can pull it off again. It's amazing that you're lifting those kind of weights. I mean, that's just a knee wraps, correct? Eight. Oh, four squat. And then he wraps class across so eight. Oh, four squad. I mean, that's it's, you know, when somebody looks at you, you don't have a lot of like you don't have any body fat, really. You're very lean, and you know, you don't look like a typical typically pound squatters, huge quads and a big old stomach. You, you don't have either one of them. You have some media legs on, you got some muscle mass for sure, and you got tremendous amount of muscle through your abdomen and through your back and everything and I am hitting on you. So that's that's just the way it is around here, but you don't typically see that. What do you think has led to the progression of your squawk? Well, squad was killing me for the last couple of meets tore my answering two years in row record breakers. I wonder if it says knee wraps. I mean some surpreme. Those narrow earier knee wraps. Those were excellent. I think those my first meet using those near apps, you might be onto something that he. But my squad used to be a lot wider. And I think it was, you know, me and Jessie kind of decided. And I mean, we're asking too much of my backside there. My hands and my my quads are just not as maybe because you pull sumo maybe it's like you're doubling down on on the hips, right? Exactly. So being able to bring my squadron, low closer allowed me to actually train both lifts more often in to the percentages that I that I want without getting. So banged up so quick and I was I was a huge thing. We spent like few months raped as where all the accessory workers really geared toward to spill my quads and bring my stance right now. It's kind of a lot of close stance, high bar safety bar, all that stuff. Just kind of get me to swallow with more upright close together. What do you know? There's a lot of people that and by the way those are you watching on Instagram here you should switch over to watching us on YouTube live or on Facebook where you can hear us a lot better because you only get the microphone from the phone here, but I just wanted to share a little bit. So you guys are aware. Who the hell Jeremy is. Because I think everybody knows this guy as his beast, but and we're gonna get to some amazing stories from Jeremy and a minute, but we're just talking straight up lifting right now. So you guys follow the conjugate system. That's what I Jesse bird is a believer in and like, what do you think about a lot of lifters? They get really kinda nervous if they're not doing the main if they're not doing the exact lift that their attitude in competition, they kind of freak out there like, I don't know, like safety spot bar. Yeah, that's cool. But I can't do the safety spot barks I got a squad. Do the regular bar. What have you learned from doing the conjugate system and mixing things up a little bit? Oh, for me, it's having all these different exercises. It's really giving us a lot of tools to said, we, my squat was out too wide. When you bring it kept getting hurt. I feel like I hit a wall there and the way we did that was using these different different bars and different movements and things like that. So that I could actually, whenever you've tried to whenever you. Had to change something about your lift. Like, you know, if you've been listening while you probably know when you make the change that I, it doesn't feel as good, right, or a lot of times. Yeah, a lot of times you not lifting as much and it's hard to stick with that when that happens. But you know, doing all the different bars and stuff like that, made it easy to kind of stick with it for the months and months, and then you know, jazz, we're watching you do these dead lifts in that singlet. I got to admit, I don't know if that's is that two pairs of socks down the front or just one just one just went with the one and then I threw in a little pack Rolaids in there. Yeah, that's the secret whatever you had in your bag. Yeah, there's a nice silhouette there. I used to go with a knee rap, but that is still didn't work. While those lifts are those lifts are freaking easy. Is it a hard thing? Is it hard to deal with like it seems like it seems like Jesse is almost like a like uncle or like a father figure that's always right. Is that kinda hard to deal with? Sometimes we're where you're like off. Jesse. I'm going to try this or I'm going to do something not that you wanna like do something different than him, but maybe sometimes you just want to kind of go for and you don't wanna lift eighty percent and and you do and and then there goes your hamstring or your groin or whatever. It's kinda hard is that kind of hard to deal with sometimes being like damn it? Yeah. So I mean, just through experience that jesse's right most like all the time. And my ideas usually aren't so great, but you know what? God bless SE still, let's be kinda go with somebody sometime sister remind me like, oh yeah, your ideas still suck. You're, you're the kind of person that like everybody needs to be very careful with, right. You need to put a helmet on you and make sure right. Give you very specific instructions and make sure you're wearing your mouthpiece. You don't drew all over the place and things like that, right. I need a little supervision more little more than others and like every everybody gathers around like, okay, Jeremy. He's he's like part of the team, but like not really. So make him feel comfortable and everybody try to help them get through the workout. Okay. Any break. Yeah, it's a little. It's a little like that you like to you like to get after it though, you like to go nuts here in there. So was that something that was kind of hard to pull back on? Yeah, but you know, just seeing the results makes it worth it and you just I just try to find ways to change gears, learn to really enjoy the the dynamic days. Again, just seeing how fast I can pull this way or, you know, just knowing, you know, working on this little part of my doublet you know, just kind of rather than just the max effort is it's kind of like getting have like a different mindset, right? Which is, you know, those are the fun days, but I've kind of just learned really love the the accessory work and the amick days it's going to. I know I know a lot about your past and we'll dive into that in a minute. Is it hard for you to be consistent? Definitely. I mean getting, yeah. I mean, parallel things been probably been most consistent. I mean, it's been the thing I've done most consistently in my entire life, so that's definitely. Helped me to. It's grown outside of parlor thing. You know, not not related to work anymore. You know, I'm a little bit more reliable. It's helped bleed out a little bit there with with that being said, do you think that that was the biggest difference with this competition versus others was obviously like you're, you're healthy so course that's a huge part of it. Maybe maybe in the past, maybe consistency wasn't strong enough to keep you healthy enough because maybe kind of kept trying to come back to quick the or something like that. I mean, I'm just this all sumptious. I don't. I don't see your training. Well, I think. In the past, I have tried to maybe get a little bit more weight on the bar to too fast and been a little bit of a rush. But one thing that you know me and Jesse talk about is like when we're in the off season, it's, hey, it's not a big deal to hit PR's and do all that stuff right now. It's about getting the work in kind of getting our body prepared for the next like cycle coming up and so just you can't be in the rat all year. You know, you can't. You know, you gotta like pick portions out of the year for me. There's no reason to. Yeah, right. Yeah. For me, I think I'm always just gonna look to meet toward the summer and winter, and then you know, have my off season through December through, like, you know, February March seems to work pretty well for me. Reckon his tone it down a little bit. I know Jesse had Mikhail Cokie live and he had him out at his gym doing a seminar. And he basically said, you know, if he wants to do a heavy lift, that's a lot of times it takes a year to build up to it. And he also talked about in training that he won't really. He won't lift that big. Wait until the meat. Now when you did that was at eight hundred ninety seven pound dead lift or something was eighty seven eight hundred eighty seven pound Ed lift as absolutely. That's absolutely insane. Did that dead lift. It looked like you had more than a tank by the way that it did. It feel like you could lift a little bit more that day. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it moved pretty damn fast. And lockout was really, I mean, usually on a big dead, lift like that. A lot of times guys, you're gonna really struggle with the lockout or it might be kind of a soft lockout or might lose their grip little bit looked like you had total control of it. Looks like a manhandled it, but what was the heaviest weight that you took in training leading up to that twenty six? Yes. So that's, that's that's pretty big distance. Eight hundred twenty six pound pool. And you probably just did that one time. And then what was the other lift that you did that was. The second heaviest lift maybe. I mean probably touched seven sixty five or eight times not too much just because I only have so many of those polls in the year, right? I mean if I could pull eight hundred pounds every day I would if you know, because it's fun, you know, but can't and my body won't let me so gotta. Like even on the days I feel really good just learning how to back off a little bit. 'cause I if I pull it twenty six or if I pull somewhere in like the ninety percent, I feel the speed on it. I don't need to go. I don't feel the need to to go up and wait and like like, okay, that will move really well. I'm I think I have like x. amount more so we can maybe do that to me. Can you feel certain things with six hundred pounds or is that not heavy enough? Oh, definitely. I mean for me once I get around like the five like five fifty, it's like seven hundred. I can have a pretty good idea of how the day's gonna go, right. Yeah. And then sometimes you guys are lifting with bands and chains, and sometimes he'll do partial range of motion and stuff like that. So there might be some other variables that make the weight heavy. The top or something like that, right. Yeah, we do that a lot. I mean, most of our lifts of some sort of a band chain or some other type of reserve resistance on there. And then we get closer to the meat, of course, are are lifts will get a little more specific or getting our openers and things like that. What about like grip work? You give mess with grip work at all. You just always had a good grip. Well, I suck with straps, so I'd never use them really. So I've just always described the bar. I remember when they were done in rural report or anything like that. I think part of part of the grip stuff has a lot to do with how you lift the weight to you're not ever like when I see lift your pretty upright. And so most of the time when I see people drop a bar, it's because all the way ends up in their fingers because they've rounded over and now they gotta use all their lower back and it just takes them too long to make lift. And because it took him six or seven seconds to to try to do the lift, therefore their grip wears out, but you do the lift. So damn fast. It seems like less of an issue. Plus you're in a lot better a lot better position. I always find it so interesting. A lot of the guys that pull big, they just they don't ever have that issue with their grip. So it's it's never. It's never never something you really have to actually go outside of the dead lift and work on it. I didn't have issues with my grip one year. You know, not this last open, but maybe the one before that. My hands are just terrible. I'm and actually had a jesse's wife. Katie helped me out with that. She showed me the watts, thick, whatever, like kind of like filing the hands down and smooth because when I was like the even spots in your hand, let's like the bark rips it up and the way I pulled to like I get my overhand kind of roles a little bit because I bought the ground a little bit fast. And so it would like catch on those mycosis up. You know, I haven't had that problem time, so that's good. You know, heavy lifting heavy is not relative. You know, it's kind of hard. It's kind of hard for people to understand that, but somebody and people will get a little bit about this, but whatever just is what it is lifting four hundred pounds versus if thing eight hundred pounds is not related. They're not related to each other. Even if the even if the even if the four hundred pounds max for you, it's not related to eight hundred pounds like things like tearing callous and ripping your hand. Almost in half doesn't happen with four hundred pounds. It only happens to the guys her lifting like seven eight, nine hundred pounds the real big weights. And when you start getting into some of these guys that are handling like yourself, you handle the eight hundred pound squad guys squat nine hundred pounds. It's hard to kind of explain and it's hard to understand the training for it because it just starts to get to be so different. Like you said, you can't put that on your back every week. He can't put that weight your hands every week. It's just doesn't get to a point where it just doesn't make any sense anymore. And for you. Put together a huge total at a at a light body weight. And so that's also a factor. You know, if you weighed three hundred thirty pounds or three hundred pounds might be able to say, yeah, we could probably swallow heavier more often, and you'll probably be fine where we can bench a little heavier more often, but you're able to put everything together all in one day. Did you go nine for nine of the day? Yeah, went on for nine. I think the second time you go ten for ten, ten for ten? No, ten for ten took a fourth ten for ten is afterwards when you get some from the lady? Oh yeah. Ten percent for ten. Hey, hey, now every go. That's ten for ten. I mean, I love you. Shout. Andy bell. Ten for ten only happened once in my career, but I did it. Yep. The old ten for ten trick. So you're able to build up the bench to you and the bench has been a weak point. And I think you said you've mentioned around four thirty four thirty five. So yeah, benches always been pretty weak point for me, but certainly come up a little bit. What's what's the deal of taking a lap taken alive? Seen some videos of you taken a lap. What's what's? What's going on with that? It's usually, you know, when I do something stupid, Jesse makes me run. So yeah. Yeah, actually, I've I've been haven't taken any laps lately. There's there's some video of Jeremy and he's like benching and like I think he screws up his form. Jesse just shakes his head and goes, take a lap and Jeremy just gets up off the bench and just sprints around the building. This one's awesome because of his there. His footwear. He's going with that. Matt winning, hey, works for Matt winning. He bends over six hundred pounds that way. Yeah, that's what I'm going for the Mets. What's the deal with the attire at this facility? We got, it's all over the place here. Yeah, it's all over the place that pink that pink bell. The sandals, all the pink. I left my belt at a oftentimes leave my both the other gym. So I borrow my friend. Andy is pink belt. That's my backup. I said, that's the Bill that I lived eight hundred pounds. And so. Is Andy kind of the mastermind of all the style that goes on over there is more verdict. Man, India's zone style. So maybe predicts influence everybody already dresses like indie. Jesse always talks about how you leave your shit everywhere. Like it'll even be like a big meat. Here's like, Ken somebody let me borrow their belt and it's like, wait, what. We're haven't forgot something. Yeah, I don't think that's happened. Do you think it's because like your nerves are going or because you're so laid back because you're just going to do what you always do? Man, I just lose shit. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I've done. I've tried to situate my life where lose less stuff. We got the fanny pack arena. Got me. This phone wallet thing also, but I mean, it's all just I still think it must be a big dead lift thing because encima has a crazy dead lift and he loses shit all the time too. He has those tile things where he can like page his keys basically from his phone because he's losing shit all the time. It's really weird from insieme because he doesn't seem like he would be on organized like you'd have everything all lined up. Yeah, but yeah, he's very confused on where things I'm surprised the encima get together, a highly of you bro. It's a big dead, lift her thing, I guess. So there's a lot. You know, people are going crazy nowadays about diet nutrition, and you got your own unique style. Jesse's told me a little bit about your diet. Can you? Can you explain what's going on with this nutrition? You have going on here? It's pretty simple. I mean, is do about eighty percent of your diet. You gotta eat in your car. Fifty percent of your diet comes from the gas station. The other twenty five comes from drive thru and then your significant other, you know, you guys have those other dinners together, and that's it. Just eat whatever wherever you feel like, whatever, whatever, whatever comes your way. Yeah. Have you ever had to pay attention to your diet in terms of like aesthetics. Not not not too much eat a little extra protein in your head to go though. I mean, the only thing I mean, just since we're Waclaw sport. I mean, I just I weigh myself a bind she now and just try to look at the number on the scale a lot. And you know if I have to cut for me or any looking sane in this picture on my favorite picture of you have in your junk there too. Yeah, it was pretty the re Di. They're, they're not. I wasn't feeling. What was that? One ninety? Eight. The one idea cut there. Yeah, so helping out of the ups and salt bath. Crazy crazy. Talk. Crazy talk is talking with homeless. Jesus asserted Hugh. Are you able to like, basically just of eat what you want pretty much have always been that way or or are you somebody 'cause some people say that, but they usually eat still eat pretty good. Are you kind of somewhere in between on that or. I mean, probably somewhere and be three. I mean, I eat a lot of junk for sure, and I've always, I've never really had a. I've always had really fast metabolism and stuff like that. I'm not like the beacon for health and fitness nutrition goes, but I try to eat a lot. I mean, a lot of me trying to get a lot of always proteins. The one thing that I try to make sure I get enough of don't try to go crazy and get like one gram protein per pound of body weight like that, you know stuff like that. But so many people are listening right now. They're so mad, you know, I mean to me in barrow thieving carbs are pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you gotta be able to start to make sure you get my protein in. And then after that, you know, just eat the feel good gas station food, the secret to having those back ads. Oh yeah, absolutely. Everything that needs at the gas station. Genetics are weird, you know, genetics or weird thing. Anybody else in your family like just maybe they don't lift and stuff, but like just to kind of recognize like, do you have a brother or sister or anything like that? Yeah, I got a brother and sister two, two half sisters, one half brother. My brother. We both at broad shoulders. My dad, I'd like kind of broad shoulders and stuff like that. But I guess that's about it. Like my dad was like, you know? Yeah, it's like definition. He wasn't like Iraq or anything. You just kind of mutant and nobody knows where you came from, I guess so, yeah. Nobody. Nobody's quite sure what happened. I mean, look at Keller woman and the similarities. You know, there's, there's a lot of similarities between you guys where with Kayla like, you know, doesn't have any overwhelming body parts, but he takes off his shirt and it's fucking back as just jacked MSU. Like his upper back. Yeah. When we we do like longtime, we when we were both here, I remember seeing them as t-shirt. I was like, all right. Well, whatever. Then, yeah, shoulders. His upper backs, fuck and saying, he's got like a giant elbow joint for some reason, like the biggest part of his. What the hell's giant elbow joint Hobo join him in branch? Warren, I don't know if you notice that branches lake. It was like. Yeah, extra something forearm thing, whatever. Yeah, it was just a buck and sticking out like crazy the gas station diet. So is that going to be something that's going to be downloadable soon or. Let's be all you book ready for soon for the one hundred dollars for the four week program. Two hundred for. What's your favorite thing to get gas station? Man just depends. If it's like a post workout, like the goes, some Martinelli apple juice, and you know, nice pair that with the with the peppered beef jerky because together really nice. Usually, Jack links, I think, and then we'll maybe or maybe if I'm listened to the my Stanford and podcast, I'll get the orange juice with vitamin c. your your girlfriends and really get shaped. She kind of shake shake our head at like the way that you eat. Yes. She just kind of like what the hell she gets. She gets so mad at me 'cause I drink all the milk, so get really upset with me or eating all the, you know what? That's actually really frustrating when you when you are with somebody else that's like not on the, they're not on a plan and they're eating all your shit. Like that's never happened to me at home or anything. But that's happened to me. Like when I traveled with wrestling, there was a lot of other guys that like didn't adhere to like diet, and they would be like, hey, man, let me get some of your protein or whatever, or like they want, you know, want something you bought or whatever. I'm like, you're so fat. You're not even a diet. Why do you want my shit like you normally don't care about what you eat. Just go go about your business and get McDonald's. You know. Yeah. Good. How Jack did you guys are both back back back back looking stacked up. She's way more director. We. So sh- she's, she's obviously very supportive of your lifting. What about your parents they ever go to any meats or anything like that? The my mom's been to think almost all of them, except for the first one I did, I'll go. So she loves coming out to them. My grandma gets out there sometimes too. And so so yeah, they're really at my family super supportive of it for sure. And then your mom lives in this area? Right when my mom I saw works in the series works in this area than lives in Santa Rosa. Yeah. Cool. And you've and your tight with her super tight. Yeah. Yeah, we, we talk like every day probably. Is that something that helped you through some tough times that you had in the past? Oh, yeah, definitely closer to your family, stuff like that? Yeah, definitely. Just, you know, through like my pass my, we have a very tight family. We're all we all stay in pretty close communications. That's that's really cool. Yeah. So what was going on in your life before before powerlifting? What was you know what was going on? We we kind of have briefly touched on this before we talked about it when we had Jesse burdock on the podcast. I guess you know you had a a pass with addictive drugs. Yeah. And you know how, how did that? How did that kind of unfold. Well, really young age or. Yeah. I mean, in my family drugs and addiction, you know, like lot of families. I mean, you're, you're you yourself am. I am a lot of my family. I've ever not really shared a lot of that, but like a lot of runs very deep in my family. All see that a lot of times too. I mean, it's usually not one person in the family a lot of time. Sometimes it is, but usually you can kind of see it's sprinkled throughout. But yeah, my family drugs and addiction or pretty much have run rampant through through through the whole thing. Like my dad, uncle and aunt, you know, have all, had you know their battles with that. And were you aware that when you were really young or now? I would say, became like my my dad passed away when I was eight due to drugs. So I think he, yeah, it's like checked his on like a doing like the math or whatever. So like kind of like out of his mind a little bit, you just doing crystal crystal math or it was cool. Yeah, way before the school. All right way before, like I didn't know like exactly like that. They're doing drugs, you know, like the people like passed away, whatever it wasn't. I mean, I probably found out like how they pass away when I was ten or eleven. So yeah, I mean owes always growing up. My mom was like super protective. 'cause my dad pass away the drugs, alkyl aunt and all suicides too. So like very like, yeah, very, you know everyone. So because of all that happening like everyone in my family that everyone's very protective, like the younger ones. Right, right. So I was always hearing about drugs and things like that since I was kid even like twelve or thirteen along with super protective thing. And so we talked about it a lot and stuff, but something switched over once. Once a once they got a little older where I was when I was like younger as very anti all that, you know, because all things that happen. But you know, we're only twelve or thirteen I started getting into it. So yeah. What do you think? Do you feel like at that age? Do you feel like or even today, I guess, but well, we'll just go back that age at that age that you feel that there was something missing. Is that kinda why? Maybe you reached out for that sort of thing or just simply with a crowd that that was kind of what other people were doing. And so you kind of went with that. I mean, I even young age. I drank in villa drugs on my own alone votes always felt so uncomfortable. Like even in seventh grade, I, you know, we had like a dance coming up, right? You know, it's like I don't think drink a little bit before school and stuff like that. How dangerous thing to learn young age like, hey, if I, if I drink some of this shit, it's gonna take some of the edge off going to this dance. Yeah, so that'd be very dangerous to know that at a young age, like no one has an adult. It's like you can kind of pick and choose when you do it. You'd be like all have a drink going into the social setting because it's going to be weird. 'cause like my thing was like, I'd be like at home, you know, on the weekend, maybe like one of other homeys they're like just showing drinking like, man, I feel great only. I could feel this way all the time and around people. They would probably like me and I'd be super funny. So my plan was to be super cool guy. The new schools that, but here's, here's what actually happened. I got blackout drunk through the day. Was a going to one of my classes fell into thing. A mud teacher saw me. They called ambulance. I got picked up in the whole school saw me. I came back like five days later. Like, hey, it's chunky boy. Call me. I was like, sweet. That plan went. Awesome. So everybody kind of knew that you were drunk. Yeah. Yeah, definitely pretty well known for a lot of drugs and Rankin and stuff. I of just think I defied with that. I guess the time you know, figured out a way to get your own access to those things or how how were you able to get? Oh, yeah. I mean, I guess people have met their house and chill. Well, yeah, we'll be my, you're my best friends buddy grown up. We, we would go bother the homeless people. Bring him some batteries and candles and they buy some forties. You know, pretty pretty. We're helping each other out, you know, helping out the community. Wow. Yeah, that's wild. Did like your mom kind of learned this stuff later on and now so I was getting caught all time. I was getting like getting tested since I was like thirteen or fourteen grown up, and yeah, I got like sort of getting more serious trouble later. I got like a DUI when I was sixteen. So my host was great and got on the probation. And stuff. So the school a little will Pedro honor ankle and all that kind of good stuff. So the consequences, you know, as I got older, got worse and worse, but any violence did you get in fights and stuff to or not really? Yeah, I got a, I got on the fives, but honestly, just because like drinking and stuff like that. I got into a few little fights, but I mean, sometimes they go hand in hand because like there's just some, you know, you're just out of control, I guess, in some ways. Yeah. What was it nor are you think it was kind of like normal kid kid, it's getting a fight like, you know, fights here and there people and stuff like that. But I don't think there's anything like out of the ordinary too much as mostly damaging myself when I get drunk like trip and fall and bust my lip or you know, through my tongue once to out stuff like that. When like so growing up, you're kind of have learned that you know, some of the other family members had drug issues and and they mentioned there were some suicides that did your your. That he kill himself. Yeah. Yeah. I guess he had a him and my mom had split up or learn married, but like like, split up. So I think that was kind of like maybe one of the catalyst for him. He was also sober for a while, a mom sober as well. So they're both. They're both sober for awhile and then he had relapsed. So she like booed him out right police out. And then you know he did what he did. Yeah. A lot of times you don't learn how people die. Exactly. Like with my uncle and my brother, I actually don't even really know exactly how they died. Yeah, it's kind of sad. But like when someone dies like a recovery home, you know, it's not like it's not like the president United States died, so they're not going to investigate it. They don't really care. Yeah. Like just another just another number. You know, another number is to actually just literal number on the wall, like they have them. They have them up on the wall. You can see him just hundreds of like, fuck, you know, just another another stat, basically. Yeah, drugs of, you know, they got the numbers. You know, they got numbers for sure how, how you know how, how did it progress from alcohol in into some other things or or did you start with with other drugs when you're young too? Yes, will was, will I? I was just drinking mostly nocco probably gonna been the most trouble. So I got that a DUI I got put on probation, so I was getting tested by, you know, the state, whoever county or state wherever does that. So I was looking for drugs. I get out of my system faster than we'd. So that's, you know, dabbling with a little bit of a cocaine and ecstasy and things like that. So that's probably when that started sophomore in high school or something like that. So then from there went worse, and then there's like party drags kind of find, you know, and stuff like that. But when he got back from you is more like using the Oxycontin and heroin, all those other fun ones? Yeah. Was there ever a point where you were like, you know, getting a DUI and to me, I mean, you get the d. you, I mean, somebody must explain to you like, hey, listen, you know, you fuck head, you could kill, you could okay now. Okay. It's one thing to hurt yourself when they can harm yourself. And if you wanna be, you wanna go down this road and and this is something that you want to do than fuck and have at it, but you could hurt somebody else you could kill somebody else. Yeah. I mean, somebody must have had that conversation with you, but you weren't able to stop. Absolutely. I got to. I've had to do is my life one when I was both before I was able to drink sixteen and twenty. So, yeah, I know I've had those conversations lot of people, you know, the consequences I ever reason just worn enough for me to write to deter me 'cause I just spoke so uncomfortable all the time growing up. I just never really felt like I had like my place and never felt comfortable my own skin. I mean, I mean, but the alcohol and the drugs they weren't getting eerily what you wanted either right. Right. They weren't, they weren't, right. I mean, there's a lot of times when I do those things. That would be a lot of fun. They get you there short-term exactly short term, you know, but that was the best I had. I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't really have any other tools are really taking the time to develop anything else. You know, I'd always, you know, you always reach for the hammer. The only thing use hammer, you know. So I was only used this for everything. So I was gonna hammer at all. So, yeah. And you know, I was like, all older, you know, and I, I just never fell out of those habits, partying and drink in now out of high school, you know, doing, you know, it's getting worse and worse, but I think you know. The thing that kinda got me. So I've been in and out of AA since I was like seventeen sixteen doing in and out of that stuff, you know, and like in the count rehabs, you know, and the probably three or four different rehabs and the like four or five different detox is tons of us Elise. So I've been in and out of like being sober, you nuts over sober, not so rare, but I guess the the thing that kind of set it off this last time is of the overdose on I, I was using heroin methamphetamine together, which is pretty cool combination. If you can get it just perfect. It's like being on teeter totter you know, try to bounce things out, but I didn't again didn't really work out too well for me up overdose like three times and like four months. So twice, you know, I got the where they come, get you the Narcan and take you away for a little bit. So yeah, then the last night thing, the thing that I did, it was a, you know, the other times I kind of overdose and stuff like that. It was just like me and like one of my buddies. So I just to me is just fell asleep and woke up, and they're looking at me like, oh shit. I was like, oh, that's fine. Well, you know no deal. But the last one when I woke up as there's there's like an a parking lot like albertson's or something like that. It's a really nice day. It's wake up looking up at the sun and there's like fifty people around me. Like just looking at me with like these like faces. I was like, oh shit. Like I did something bad like so it's like, we're you like, see yourself through them little bit. They're all looking at you like horrified. And then he got these ambulance around you like cutting off my shirt. And I was just like something a little moment of like what the fuck of my new and like, how did I get your man? Twenty four this time, you know? And I'm like, they now thirty thirty. We'll be thirty one in January. Okay, you know. So it was like, so I was I was lost and like that there. So I was just got lucky from there when to rehab for like twenty six days and since then that was. But I think those two thousand. Twelve, maybe. Two thousand twelve or eleven, maybe something like that and those like the last of that stuff. So you think there's anything that a parent can do. At all to prevent any any of what you went through man, it's like, it sounds like probably not. It's a beast. I mean, you're my mom got help from a lot of people. You know, she hired like a interventionist, you know? We did. Yeah, because she knew she knew it could be the end result. Did you feel enough love in your house like you, you got enough hugs and kisses? Man. I got tons of my mom like my family, like they're like, wasn't lacking there at all or his. Be like your your, it's your own journey. I think sometimes I think like sometimes like, you know, my brother, he would always say it wasn't built to be here like he. He like, I'd not built to be here very long, and he kind of even when he was like sober, he'd say, still hated life. You know, he, he didn't go through moments of hating life and not hating life. He fucking always hated it. And so that's what makes it so easy to talk about it nowadays. It's not as it's not as painful to talk about it because I'm like, he told me that many times and he meant I think he really meant that he was for whatever reason. I think he was kind of like a tortured soul. If there is such a thing, he he really butted up against himself everyday. And I can't imagine what that would be like to be to be depressed would to be happy and to have some highs and some lows. That's cool. I can deal with that. But like his were off the charts when I don't know. I don't know anything about what that's like. So I think a lot of people place a lot of judgment on that, and there's a lot of mental health issues and a lot of the. The a lot of people that you are given candles to and different things like those people end up on the street because of mental health issues. And a lot of people just judge it and they, they just dismiss it and they're like, oh, it's the guy's a loser. You know, the guy's a bum and well, okay, the guy got addicted to drugs, but the guy probably has some really fuck fucked up circumstances that got him to where he is and it sucks that he's there. But you know, there's, there's not a lot of easy solutions any of this? Yeah, that'd be pretty easy for people to say that because it's kind of a complicated issue. So when people don't understand, it's the season just I always respect up, it's not sure or he doesn't have the, will you know this, that or the other, you know, all that kind of stuff. But you know, people do have, you know, you know, the mental health issues are tough because you can't see them. You know, when somebody has cancer the, here's fall out, you know, it's like, here's out, you know, you can. You can see it, but you can't always see with people who are, you know toward you, the people like Robin Williams, lots of people like. That you know, look so happy and stuff like that. So it's hard to identify and then there's some people who may be on the other end where they're crying about every little thing. So you know what I mean? And you know, I'm, I'm so depressed. They lost notice that, you know. So. So some people are like, oh, it's just bullshit. You know, there's a lot of gray area in there and I think you just, yeah, I mean, hopefully the people, if you're, you know, someone is struggling with that stuff hopefully up people around you too for when you're ready, six up to help that you know the, the helps around you at least one thing I learned from powerlifting and from pro wrestling was to just never really judge other people's pain period. You know, like I did that for a while and just not productive. You know, like I, I would just say, oh, that guy's fucking pussy. Like the guy, the guy can't Russell this week. He's just being a bitch, you know, and I would be frustrated and then, but it didn't do anybody any good. And I was like, you know what? Why? Why? That's what a shitty mentality to have. Like maybe that guy is just really her and you know what's none of my business, you know, and or maybe he just doesn't feel like getting in the ring or maybe the person doesn't feel like bench and heavy for that day, and they wanna blame it on their shoulder, whatever. So what it doesn't hurt, you know, I can. All I can do is try to encourage people can do is try to be friendly to people. And if they say they're really hurt, if we're friends and they got no reason to lie to me all can do is believe him. Yeah, you know. But the point is, you don't know the kind of pain people are in period. You know, life can be very dark and life can be very fierce at times and not. Everyone always has the coping skills to be able to figure out how to deal with everything. Definitely. I mean, it's hard. I mean, everybody, everybody reacts the things differently. You know, for example, like I lost my dad ankle. My aunt and I did what I did. You know, when I I felt like that gave me like the green light do all the drugs I wanted, and I got a lot of slack is people feel bad for me. You know, they're like like, you know, the poor little fucker. You don't get all the stuff that's happened, you know? So like, oh, and that's like your identity. So when you're seventeen and you're at school and you're the new kid as you mentioned and you're the guy who drinks will now you're the guy who tracks this whole, this whole image gets painted of you. He's not just the guy drinks. You know, his dad took his life when he was, you know, Jeremy was only eight years old. Now it's a whole different thing, and it's like, oh, that's it's a whole story that's created. And the hardest thing in the world to ever do is to fight and try to figure out how to overcome like your own identity. Yeah. Now you gotta be different person, and then the. Guys that you would, you know, I'm sure like in this process you're, you know, you end up with some pretty grungy friends, right? And and there's people dealing shit and doing this and that, and those are all people that are in your circle and doing that anymore. Like what? What do you mean? Not? Nah, I'm not into that anymore. Man. I'm kind of I'm doing doing some different stuff. Now. Now what do you mean? What do you like? What are you going to church, bro? Like what are you doing? Like don't be a bitch. Yeah, yeah. Come on wrote just one time. Isn't gonna kill you? Yeah, you just for me, I just changed my number. I mean, you can't even be around those people. It was funny like a any run into them. Although everywhere you go because I like a, you know, get in trouble up to go to a program, go to a sober living house that I'd be like in the civil living house. Like three, my buddies, we'd stay sober like five seconds. Okay, man. What he wanted to. I don't know. You want to go that meaning. Yeah, sure. Or we could. Yeah, let's do. So all three of you are the devil on the shoulder one. There's not one not one angel to pull the other way. Nobody has a good idea all. So it's just like you have to just cut you in always felt like had explain myself the people, but this last time I was like, fuck all you guys. You don't care about me. Change them number. You know, if I run into you for meant to be friends and my wife and I'm sure it will work out. Right. Are you religious at all? No, not really. I mean, I've been the church few times, but definitely like when you consider myself like a religion, you believe in God. I think there might be something out there. You know, I don't. I don't rule it out or anything. I just asked that because a lot of times, like that's part of the like the steps, right? That's part of the steps that you've got to kind of, I guess, agree that there's like a higher power or something like that. Just the main idea. There's just the the UN it like you're, you're like, you're not in control and ensure that there's bigger things at work than you and your rates and stuff like that. So. That's like the concept. The concept of it doesn't. You don't even have to say God or stuff. But yeah, that's kind of idea of it. Did you have a mentor or someone? I mean, was mom just there or like somebody just where you're like, you know what like this person is. They're just like, I'm sure when you're seventeen you don't care that your mom's helping. You probably run right over her, you know, like like a lot of times you run over the people that are closest to you. Yeah, that's what my brother. My brother ran over all of us a million times over and we didn't care because we're, we love him. He's my brother, wouldn't have it any other way. But like did you kinda like realize like shit, man, like mom is just teach us right there for me all the time or was there some someone else to? Yeah, you know. I mean, I was pretty lucky grownup because I met, I met a lot of people that are like family, but not quite family, you know, like my best friend growing up, like even if we're both grounded, he could come spend the night families of super tight kind. Sort of that sort of deal. And also, you know, like my uncle monk, Josh. She had passed away as a his best friend, whatever it was. He's like, my my uncle Ivers or whatever. He like hunting around, you know, they always took us out on the weekends and stuff grown up. So you know, like like our family took a lot of losses, but like that's kind of brought everyone closer together and even people who are part of our family, we're coming in and helping us and just kind of hanging out with me when I was younger when I got older, I realized like all shave and he's coming over every week and for two years, and we're doing all this stuff like kind of appreciate that as you get older, like he was like twenty two at the time. So you know, like picking those weekends out, not the tough, tough thing. So I was, I was pretty lucky you know, with a, you know, a lot of people always felt like I had people around me that let me and stuff. So, yeah, I just always my thing was like I was feeling was always felt like I was letting them down and then like that wasn't like really living up to, you know, with the thought I could be or or whatever. I'd always heard the word potential. Did that place a lot. I mean, that plays a lot of stress on you. You feel. Not too much, but I just remember when I was like younger, there's always felt destined to be like a fuck up or drug, you know, just like just because it was just so around, you know, again, I also just kind of use it as an excuse and stuff like that. Right now, as I got older, I kind of grew out of that thinking which I think you have to very escape that when you were younger, did you like you know you're kind of labelled the drunk guy or whatever. Did you see like older dudes kind of messing with drugs. I mean, like I'm never going to be that when I was like eleven or I mean like much younger when I Mike, my sister would be like doing some out stuff and they all never gonna smoke weed or that's enough. And then like, you know, like twelve thirteen doing. That's not as bad as I thought. I'm definitely not going to fuck with meth or anything else. That was the one that I always told myself I would never do because I was like, you know that you know taking my dad down, so right. And plus, you know, takes all your teeth and you looked like a weirdo. Right? You think everybody's after you the shadow people and shuts off that seemed a little bit too stressful. That's you? Never did. No, it's one that absolute. Did. I just waited till the end. Finale. Yeah, just waited for the end, you know? Yeah. Like because math is super cheap and heroin's not super cheap withdrawing from heroin sucks. So you despite math guy, math withdrawals gone so, and that's a pretty common thing like for, like, you know background in Santa Rosa I'm from, it's like whatever story I'm saying is the story of like Jillian people like we're all like, you know, we're like in high school doing Oxycontin together, you know, all the guys on the football team, you know, then once Purdue pharma took that away where you couldn't smoke it or should it or do all the fun stuff with it. All those people are doing Oxycontin kind of moved over to heroin and math and things like that because he just kind of always going to find a way. Yeah, definitely. You'll find you'll find whatever you know. So was it? I mean, it sounds like weird comparison, but like for you like to me like drugs, you know. Have such a crazy stigma to them. Like I remember finding like I worked at this barred, Hermosa beach called sharpies, and that's actually where I met my wife and I found something on the ground. One time I picked it up and I was, I like looked at it and I was like, oh shit. Like I don't even know what this shit looks like. But I think this is cocaine and I, I was like, well, fuck now I'm holding the thing cocaine. So I threw it in the toilet. I flushed it on the Twitter and I, I, I told him, yeah, it was all scared. I was like, what if somebody saw me? And I told my older brother, I was like, I was like, dude, I was like, I just had like little thing, cocaine, and he's like, where is it on? He's, he's like, I want to sell. It will sell that shit, and I was like, I flushed it. He's like what he's like. That probably was, I don't know. He said, x. amount of dollars worth of it or whatever. And I was like, I don't know, man, I just, but for you and for your friends because it was kind of part of what you guys were doing. Was that like as common as like playing a video game ups? Absolutely. I mean, we just sit around all day. It was never like. Oh, like he's doing. He's doing that. I can't believe is no one. Just part of every day. It just becomes like kind desensitize. Like I remember the first time I saw somebody like smoking heroin or like a building expected state of foil. It's all Dom and stuff and like ten minutes later, that's not so bad. It's kind of cool actually kind of gets you eventually right guys, good idea. You guys do out an open like you wouldn't go like like, say like, it's someone's house. My, hey, let's go to the back room or whatever. It's just like living room, bam, wolf. I mean, it just depends the company that we're in. Yeah, physicist Sturt bags together. You know, go ahead. Yeah, him. It's terrifying. Like I'm just thinking when you're saying like, you know, when you're twenty four when you mixed whatever you did and woke up in our since parking lot. I'm just thinking like, dude, you're such a cool guy like, fuck like, it's it scares the shit outta me thinking what could have been. Yeah. Yeah, definitely just got. I mean, I think about the definitely cost on a law. You know, pretty lucky. Does some of that kind of plan your mind at times like today, like, Yep, as far as like a demon, like still chasing you? Yeah, man. If I feel like I always need to be running towards something. Yeah. So you know powerlifting gave me something to run toward a lot of other things that are on towards now's well. But if you're just standing still you're going to get got at least that's how I feel. Yeah. So I need to keep moving with and with powerlifting too. I mean, power thing is it has its own dangerous to or or anything that you get into and take too seriously because now. Okay, that's cool. You overcame that old statema and that identity and he didn't really overcome it because it's it's a daily fight. Like, let's not, you know, make it sound like it's anything different than it is you still have to kind of battle that correct. Hundred percent? Yeah. I mean, they they kind of say, once an addict, always an addict, and you gotta be very cautious on how you live the rest of your life. So it's not like, yeah, I'm in the clear like I did this thing. I'm good good to go on. It's it's, you do forever. And I've like, I've, you know, I see like a psychiatrist every about once every six weeks or something like that. Yeah, probably up that a little bit more. I tried to just, you know, I think that's amazing to share the other people because I try to, you know, share that message here often, I think, man, if you're just if you're just confused about like different decisions and stuff that you're trying to make trying to go see somebody and you know, maybe a lot of times the first sessions free, you can go to any church. You go to any church and even if you're not religious, you can go to just about any church and say, look, man, I got some problems. You'll get someone there that will be able that will listen to you. I recommended that to a lot of people. A lot of people have actually taken me up on it and they've got, they've gotten some really good help you first person you go to might suck. So you might have to go to like more than one person. But a lot of times just use saying the situation out loud. Helps you digest it all. 'cause he'll you might say, oh, man, you know, my new boss at this job. He's got it in for me, and then you realize like Jeremy like, dude, you're Boston him in for you. He just wants to show up on time. You know what I mean? What you say it out loud, you're like, okay, I really sound kind of dumb. And so it's not even so much the psychiatrist. It's just that you went to someone and spoke to somebody that could work through your thoughts. Exactly. That's some of the top will for me because I, we all have blind spots. You don't know where they are because they're blind spots. So it's good for me anyways, you know, have like, I'm pretty lucky. I like people to run run, run things by kind of filter things through before actually side to take action. How is Jesse helped in this whole thing? You know, I mean, he seems like a mentor and a lot of ways seems more than just a coach. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, jesse's, you know, great. Dad husband, great dad again. You know, every he just helps people all day and he's definitely like a good example like somebody who does like a steamer blacks all day, like because I see him at the gym gives everybody time whether you're pulling nine hundred pounds or ninety pounds, like you get like the same. I same the same treatment treats everybody really fair jesse's very relatable to as a human being. You know, like he, he, he's gone through a lot of really hard times in watch him, you know, be a single dad for, you know, as long as I got to kind of witness some of that, it was really, really wild and he went through his own, you know his own very dark times and he had to sort through all those things on his own. And that was always the main concern for me as friend was like, hey, man, who you hanging out with, what are you doing? Where are you going like? And that's why with him, I, you know, we were kind of trying to steer the ship. You know, we're trying to figure out like what's next for him. What are we gonna point him towards? Because as you said, if you're not going towards something. What are you doing? Right. So house like, let's get you a, you know, let's get you. Do powerfully meet. He was like, dude. He's like, he's like. There's no possible way. He's like, I have zero strength and I don't wanna lift, and I was like, well, let's maybe you know, let's maybe think about it looking a little different than your actual powerlifting career. Maybe it's just, you know, some kind of almost recreational the things like, oh, you know, he's not all about it right then it kind of idea came up. I think he came up with the idea was let me try to run through some different weight classes since I already lost a lot of weight. I was like, yeah, now, now we're talking, you know, you could still, you know, squat, seven hundred pounds at two forty two or two to to twenty or whatever the weight class was, and it can sound a lot more respectable and it's not it's not going to is going to deflate his ego. And so that's what we did, and we set our sights on these different things. He had these different goals and he was able to kinda recalibrate his life in and get himself just feeling good again, feeling happy, but. As I was going to mention before you gotta be kinda careful about these identities that you have. You know, y- you met a wonderful person. You have a great girlfriend. You guys seem to have a great relationship together and you know to me, it's like, yeah, powerlifting is great and not to be all corny about like relationships and stuff, but has like man, that is a huge deal. You know, you might. You might have met somebody that you might be with rest of your life. You might be eighty five years old and the same with the same person. You know, that may sound great that my sound that depends on depends on where you're at, but. As a that is a huge deal. And that is something that it is really important. And so your identity isn't necessarily that you are. I don't want to say just a power, and if you're not a power to your powerlifter, that does a lot of other things you gotta. Let other responsibilities in your life. Definitely. Let's Stephanie something like this. Like last year been, you know, tried always like remember and stuff and stuff like that because before powerlifter or whatever, I was drug either jonky can't get it together in and out of Buchan rehab and stuff that was just like, you know, like that was what I was most known for by a lot. So it was just I was so happy to be known for something else and like implicitly powerlifting nobody knew anything about like my past prior. So there's just like different dude, and it was great. I, I really liked that those like, right, very nice. And you got to be a little cautious too, because like what about after powerlifting we're, we're, let's just say that you know you end up with an injury that doesn't really allow you to compete at the level that you want to compete at and you can't just really do it anymore. The way you want. Are you still kind of trying to hang onto being powerlifter guy, or are you able to kind of move into some different things? You know? Well, I think just the experience of get into power thing and sticking with it. And you know, there's times when I probably could have gotten out or things like that, you know, but you know stuck with the pilot thing and it worked out. So I feel it's given me confidence that, hey, if I was I was able to do this with powerlifting. I can probably do this with something else. You know riot probably be able to ply the somewhere else. And then let's kind. You know what I wanna do a prepare for, you know, because we can't. I mean, I'm not gonna be able to lift these weights forever. Right. Has a shelf life. And what do you do for work? I work coach classes, personal training works people online as well. I work out a sin, San Francisco, the park, Jim. Awesome. So I teach a power within class there a few times a week. Yeah, just, you know, we do like the max effort days there and and you know, on their own if they want to do the repetition stuff on the Ken actually opened up a new gym twelfth in Geary. Yes, I'll be cool. Your girlfriend trains people to write. Yes. She's a Schwartz over at Stanford. Casey, you work at different places? Yeah, we're kind of different places. She actually teaches Olympic lifting over there. She has a class over there kicking by and you know she embarrassing that she's stronger than you a little bit in. Yeah, she can lift way more things over her head than I can. For sure you can't do it and overhead. No, it's impossible. I mean, I remember and Jesse Bertix wife to Katie HOGAN. You know, I want to say shit, I, I maybe get the numbers wrong, but I want to say I've seen her like overhead squat. Like maybe like two seventy five or something, maybe even just to twenty-five, but I can't do either way. I can't do either one of those. I might be able to figure out how to do a plate, but I think I would fall. Yeah, I think I'd I saw you put your seatbelt on earlier, so I don't think that the horror you're impressed. I was impressed. Yeah, little extra push. Yeah, the extra blood flow to the lower front region. You know what I'm saying? So that's all I show my impressiveness seventy percent of communications nonverbal. Oh, I know. Hey, now you know the other thing about all this is like you going through everything that you went through and you're not gonna. You're gonna fall down. When I say this, you Cemex and jesse's definitely going to Jesse gonna roll over in his grave, and he's not even dead yet, but you seem extremely intelligent. Like you seem like you've learnt. It seemed like you've learned a a life's work of of knowledge going through what you went through. Yeah, you know what I mean? Spin spend a lot of time trying to figure myself out in, you know, figure like you're not. You're not knucklehead from the streets. And I mean, like a lot of is our guys. Okay, you I don't know. I'm going to do next. You're definitely. I mean, I, I don't know if you're into like reading books and shit like that, or I don't know what you're into, but you've obviously have you've learned a lot, you know, going through this and a lot of people don't ever scrape the surface of any of the things that you did. You did at such a young age that there's people that are forty fifty sixty years old that have never dug deep because I never had to, so they never had resistance. So while it sucks, you went through everything. You went through, at least you got to learn some of these. I mean shitty way to learn them, but you had an opportunity that maybe other people wouldn't have had and it's great that you're still here. You know, as a result of all crazy. She's. You know what I mean? I'm not happy though this things happen and stuff like that. But I, I love my wife that I like to be here talking to you. You know what I mean? Like this. Great. Like when I first got a rehab, the last time I ever got Reeb my buddy Tyler. He actually used to work with you in my Tyler. Yeah, Tyler. Los Angeles Malibu just outside of Melbourne a lot. He's a good dude. Yeah. So man, like I, I kind of hooked up with him somehow right up his. We're both kind of in the rooms a little bit. So I just kinda linked up with skinny as hell. He was always trying to work on being jacked dude. He can never figure it out. I stayed on his. I lived within flake three months, and I would just stay on like hardwood floor and living room and other buddy, and we will just we did. We're doing west side for skinny bastard. Two hundred pounds or skinny bastard. Yeah. So Joe defranco's or something, right? Yeah. So we're doing that program. I never even heard a powerlift thing. I was just like, I can stay here and you have food Tyke. My family wasn't there weren't really fucking time. They're like, no, it's good. He went to rehab, but maybe maybe stay out there a little longer. It's like, okay, that does happen. You know, your family can only handle so much. Yeah, I like earn my way back in. You know, I'm allowed back at thanksgiving now, but yeah, Ty a yacht. Me one. I kind of got me into the powerlifting thing. We used to just hang in there and we would watch, you know, the fuck your elbow video and we used to watch us other really funny one is a union Jesse. You guys are talking to these cross people either one of us. Yeah, before I don't want you guys and this nerd was like, yeah, it's all about kilowatts to something or. And you're like, yeah, it's all about kilowatts the power. You guys, you know, talking about eating rita's in between the side so we would. We would do the same chocolate milk Doritos, and so we'd have eating competitions at night. So you could gain the most weight in an hour. So like, yeah, these Jesse and I found like magical powers from specifically Doritos Torino's don't sleep under those. It's crazy. I don't even know like Jesse and actually John Kieffer. John Keefer was like, he was like, hey, listen, you know, when it comes to like unhealthy foods and foods that are bad. He's like, it's just like foods that are good, like not everything about them as good and just like foods that are bad, not everything about them is bad. He's like, a dorito is so fucked up that you don't even know like it's a ridge form like what was it? And he's like, I, he goes, I think you guys need to eat more foods like that that we don't know what they originally like were like, where did it come from? I guess it came from like corn, right, but went. But you need like. It needs to have all this crap on it. And he's like, I think it will help you with like weight gain and stuff. And I don't know Jesse, and I were just at the time we would still eat like, I don't wanna say healthy necessarily, but we would kind of like you're saying, like a lot of protein and make sure that we were doing stuff to support a stain big, but we still get after it with things like three does. Yeah, because we're just trying to get in the way. I mean when I went to rehab the one hundred and fifty nine pounds. I gained like twenty pounds pictures. Maybe on your I g that we can find or you got a I got, I don't not on the, I g but you have one could probably look up in a second here. You can pull it up later. You can send it to us and then we'll, we'll share it because we're going to do a bunch of videos with Jeremy later. We gotta get get video footage of his back apps him and Filipino thunder are going to bang out some squats today. I think you mentioned you're gonna do walking lunge with whatever Mark is. Did I max swat today? Right? That's correct. And we're going to switch that into a overhead press into a with the bands of chains as well and a hip circle and don't we're going to turn it into overhead box, squat overhead box squats with the future. You know, it'd be great as well. Marcus is squatting if you just if you just lifted them over your head, just get underneath them, get her Nathan underneath them. He hit stuff. That's when I start. That's right. That's because his cheerleading, thank this. I'll be perfect markets. We got that. You could do it. I can do anything Filipino thunder his, you know, he's ashamed to admit it, but his real nickname is the mandatory. The mandatory? Yeah, the mandatory. It doesn't sound quite as fierce as the. Filipino thunder, right filthy with honors pretty cool. It is pretty cool. The manatee doesn't sound. Yeah, doesn't sound formidable. Like if he was a pro wrestler, he'd much rather be Filipino thunder. You come out and he'd have ACDC music going, right? Yeah, you can't even say manatee that cool air comes the man, a t AK, Kerley yell at or nothing. Nothing like the fans can't behind. Can't get behind it, but that's what he is. He's like a giant Massey. He, he's in the background like I shooting these videos and I'm like, explaining like how to bench or something, and they're Marcus is being all kinds of fat. Like he looks like he got shot. He's playing down the ground and he's using the bar like Marcus does all these exercises like where he's rolling out stretching and he he does all like Jesse product stuff and Kelly Streit's done. I've never. I've never done any I overheard of now. It sounds terrible. It sounds like too much extra work. And so he's like digging the bar into like his shoulder and then somebody on YouTube, ROY. Like who's the fat walrus on the ground? Who's the and somebody called him a mandatory or something like that. And I was like, oh, he's forever the manatee. And I, I know Mark is like he's such a bad ass guy. I was like, he's going to really hate that nickname. So that's going to be so perfect just to call them the manatee. And so we made a shirt where he kinda like, looks like a mermaid is he was one of the folks over that shirt. You'll get, you'll receive one. If if you keep heading direction buddy. You can earn one today earn shirt. You're gonna have to squat one thirty five below parallel flow parallel now never mind. Yes, he is carrying the giant lightning bolt. Oh, yeah, that's a big boy though. He's he's looking thicker, Filipino boy. Now you got some strong asked lifters up where you guys are out to. You got. Multiple people that have set world records. Got tiny tiff up there. She just competed in the USA peo-, right? Yes, she did. She got a second inner way cloud. I got emit. I do not know how that girl gets passed drug testing. Do. I mean she is really smart on some gear. I know all of it really. She's on a lot of saw. I mean her lakes. Yeah, the quads, huge on actual quads. For days. It's not natural. Look. I know tiff bus and I'd be best one to say this. Hit squad or natural, say, just the quotes are natural. See, I think she's on the Doritos. I might be on the kind of have a theory that with your drug background that you're helping your pass drug tests, his, you're like tiff. If you miss, if he makes crystal meth. They're not testing for crystal meth. Okay, sure. All right. A little my Kaci squad like more feet below parallel. I know look at it hard because she's only four feet tall. Yeah, the whole way. She's, I don't know where she's going. She so she doesn't. That means she has that base on her face a lot. You have a lot of great support at that Jim, and you've got a lot of people that, you know, it's it's great to lifted an environment like that, and it sounds kind of corny in some way, but it becomes a family, you know, and you end up with these. This whole other group of people that you really care about. They really care about you and you get really invested in what they lift, you know, and so you went out there and you helped her and you can't do these things on your own. You need someone, you need someone helping me out right elbow, right there. I mean, I guess you could do these things on you probably could you don't have to now funner with people. I mean, like you don't have more fun, Ernest. Yeah. I mean, I pretty much moved out to wasn't and to be closer to the gym and try to get more my wife out there. 'cause I mean, ever since I've been going to the gym and kind of just fallen along my life has gotten better and all areas in which seven. Supportable the people there. And yeah, I mean, look on group of people. They got hall happy. Both of you guys are after this lift. Yes. See, why does Jessie beat the shit and everybody he just likes to hit. You know, you just slapped you like five times hurt to wash from New York. You ever see him slap the shut of his old coach. Fucking love it. Good, so, good. It's so Jesse, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's fucking awesome. I watched that video like thousands. Yes, he hates when somebody does something that he told them not to do, and that's what he told his coach. Like he told him like way before the lift is coaches like, hey, you want me to like, you know, kind of smacks them Sensini and just like, no, don't touch me. And then his coach, smacks him has like, fuck you just kills them. Why does say miss looks like direct? Just got a direct it here. Yeah. Why. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Go pick your head up sir. That's amazing. Could watch this river, so good head on Il get not bitch slap Jesse is like the best like that mad. You know, he goes dad mad real quick. I'll be like talking to them, we'll be talking about something out of the corner of his eye who see someone doing something stupid, like, hey, put that down like he does that when I'm on the phone with them to, he's like yelling, definitely his is everywhere. He gets. He gets fired up. You know, I asked you the question earlier. You know, do you think there's anything that apparent can do? You know, in a situation? Let's just hypothetically fast forward ten years and you got a kid. He's, you know, or or fifteen years. You got a kid that's like a teenager. What would you do in a situation of like, kind of finding out, you know, through somebody or you find something in the room or or something like that? What would you do? Oh, man. Sit at the nightmare. Maybe to maybe it's a little too late at that point or in definitely. I mean, I think communications, you know is key. You know, like I would, you know like the make them feel him or her feel comfortable. The talk about whatever's going on, you know, as much as you know, they can. You know, kids are always going to have their own life, I think, from their parents. But if it got worse, I mean, I think you know, just trying to get out the problem quick, you know whether three hub or something along those lines. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's just a tough one though. It's hard to know when like kids young like, hey, is this just like a phase like some people kind of they touched a little bit and then they're done. Yeah, I mean, so it's, you know, you don't wanna like, you know, because once you send a kid to rehab, it's a, it's pretty that in itself is pretty traumatic, not dramatic, but like sucks. You know, for the kid doesn't understand, you know. So it's hard for kids understand that at the time they feel I know like I felt like when they sent me the how the first time I was like, like, abandoned are over like this or whatever. You know stuff. Like that. You just want to kind of push it out on somebody else. Exactly. But I think the only thing you can do apparent, my opinion is, you know, you got to be careful with how much you protect your child, and you also have to be very conscious of how much your kid is like on their own sort of. And I don't mean you need to be like up their house all the time, but it's important to try to be present. It's important to try to be around and video games or phones or tablets, texting what's app, you know, these different apps they have on their phone again, like you don't need to invade their privacy. You don't need to be a lunatic, but you don't want to protect your child so much. The only way you can protect your child is to kind of arm them with the ingredients and the tools to kind of fight through life. You know, to to, to fight back against things that could potentially harm them. My son asked. A lot of questions about marijuana when he was like, really? I mean, he doesn't really, you know, he's he's fourteen now, so whatever. I don't. I have no idea what is exposure to any of that stuff is, but we talked a lot about it then you know, and I was never like, hey man. If you do drugs, you're going to be a loser. Like there's never anything like that. I said, you know what? I said marijuana a lot. A lot of the drugs that are out there, like there's reasons why people do and peop- and people love them. And some people go through their whole life utilizing certain drugs and they enjoy him and have a good time with him. I said, the hard thing is is to try to figure out a way to maintain control of it. And I said, control will be a ongoing theme throughout your whole life. You're going to have to try to figure out how to how to have control over your life, how to have control over you getting places on time. How do you have control over your food is different foods that you eat. So you're not harming your body not causing causing yourself to get sick or. Have some disease or whatever the control is going to be a big factor. And a lot of times these drugs, once you get in deep on them, you tend to to lose control. But I said some of the best songs, some of the best poetry. Some of the best books in the history of the world have been written because people are high, you know, they're, they got mushrooms going or or like Eminem. We would not have Eminem without drugs like he just wouldn't be the same guy. Right. And a confusing message to try to share with a child. But like these are things that that like not everything they do is harmful. There are some positives are some pros, some of these things they can open up your mind in some ways. But again, because of the mind, altering things that they can do, maybe perhaps it leads to use saying, I don't have to face the world without this and that kind of seemed like the spot that you are. Yeah. It's tough were when kids are young like, 'cause like we're talking about, it's like the only two I use one tool for braver and and that one tools not very effective later in life, or it gets less and less effective. So being able to and plus, when you're like, like, you know, thirteen to twenty or however will that your brands developing so many things are going on. And I think the try to leave that is untouched as possible is going to be better. You know, that stuff wait till later, you know. And I would say, you know, because you might potentially have more control over when you're older you more mature. You can make a decision. You can go out with some friends and you can say. You know what, like I just I want to kinda let my guard down. I wanna laugh. I wanna like not be so stressed, and so I'm going to have a glass of wine. Yep, exactly. You know, stuff like that or maybe you get a little high before he. I don't think that those things I, I don't. I've never been. I've never been high in my life so I don't even. I don't really well. That's not true. I've had like Oxy cotton, and we'd shit like I've had I've had painkillers before, but yeah, other than that, I but I learned right away that I love that too much. I'm like, Nope, can't mess with that. That was way too ridiculous. I think it was Vicadin that I had and I told my brother, I was like, dude, I was like, I the, I don't know. I had some whatever. I had something going on some sort of pain, and I just took what was prescribing a ticket for a few days. And I was just on fire with like work and just like writing stuff and like just doing stuff for the business. And I told my brother, he's like, dude, he's like, he's do yourself a favor. Man just take that. And just he's just fucking flush it all down the toilet brothers, smart guy. He's like, he's like whatever we have in our in our body, like in our blood. He's like that shit's first of all, it's supposed to knock your ass out these like it's not supposed to make you like uppity energy. More socially. He's like, he's like the people that it does that too. He's like, usually those are the people that get addicted to that. He's like, he's just throw that shit away. And you know what was the worst thing is I did that and I had withdrawals, and I was only on it for like four or five days. It wasn't that long. It was like, wow, this is crazy, and the withdrawals reminder. So that many days and I wasn't taken that much of it. But I'm like, holy shit. Like if I would have done that for longer took a little bit more. There might have been no turning back. It's terrible and it happens a lot with especially heroine and opiates and Benzes and alcohol. Those three have such terrible physical withdrawals though. Like once you're like, okay, I'm ready to get off the ride. Now that's like psych. You're on the right forever. Now. You know, like you try to kick them off in like I remember the last mom. Like finally, they kicked out of the house. So she's like, okay. You know. So I've been using heroin all other stuff, you know, she's like, all right, you can stay at the house, but I will more time like than you gotta go. So I tried to like just withdrawal, the house and I was like throwing up, can't sleep, you know, Russell slayings and I'm going to emergency room and stuff. I was like thrown up like all weird colors and shit, you know, still in terrible. And Finally, I was just like pretty much like talked like, all right. I'm gonna leave. She can't come back because like I know. All right, I gotta go. So it's just like, it's it's tough. Like I literally on a just got lucky. It's it's so hard to overcome those. The last time you went to rehab, did you go to like detox? I on this one was actually like they have a little bit of both there and I'd been there before too. So I knew the lady that ran it and stuff. So she let me normally they would have you probably in the state that I was in like they're probably put you in a couple of days detox, but let me just detox there. I was like, I've been up like four days or you know, like like seeing little like stuff on my what is detoxing like. So people that are listening can understand a little bit better, isn't it kinda like you come off of the things he came off, but it's like under the care of of of some people that are going to prescribe you maybe some other drugs to help you get through to help mitigate some of that, right? Yeah. So is you can die off a certain things come on those and alcohol. You can die from and then opiates Ceuta Swisher that you wanna actually die. So, yeah, like when you're in like the those places, they'll, they'll help you out a lot like they'll get, you know, things that. Help you sleep. You know, things help with the cramps. Things help like headaches and dehydration and all that stuff. It's like doing away cut for like a week straight or like to stare will once you only got to do it once you get through it like you gotta do it again, you know. So right? Yeah. So we did that with my brother, Chris, you know? So like, you know, Chris was Christmas in a bad spot and like I knew about it kinda on and off from a couple of friends that he had, and they were like, hey, man, you know, you talk to your brother and I would talk to him, but he was in l. a. and I'm up here and I'm doing my thing. He's down there doing his his own thing and not talk to them here and there and like, I don't know. Normally he sounded okay. Seem like things were were good, but I also know from past history, I know like my brother, Mike, like he was able to serve you up the biggest dish of bullshit in the history of the world and make us think everything was great. Like he was actually magnificent out. I mean, he could be high as hell and make you seem like every. Thing was perfect that he was. He was real really, you know, I guess you just, you learn these things, you know, because you're addicted to drugs, and that's what you wanna do. That's what makes you feel the best. And so with Chris, I, I didn't really know the story. Then I would communicate with his friends more and they'd be like, I, you know what, like seems like he's doing good, and because he'd had his ups and downs and and from week to week, he couldn't tell it was going to happen and he would go weeks being what seemed to be like totally fine. And in talking to him later on, he was totally fine, I guess. But then he would drink and you know, like he would drink. Sometimes he would go like three or four weeks without a drink, and then he'd just Bom. He would just get like, you know, hammered the point where he nearly die and he had a, you know, a couple of episodes like that and. Then Finally, I got a call from his. I did talk to him about it little bit. I was like, hey, everything. Okay. And he's like, yeah, man. He's like, you know, I was drinking a lot and he's like, I kind of, you know, I cut back and so then he was good for like two months, but then I got a call from his girlfriend like in the middle of the night. And she was like, you know, it's your brother and I was like, whoa, whoa. Whoa. Like what's going on. You know? Because she was crying. I was like, holy. I'm like, don't tell them. He's fucking dead. I can't handle this and you know having another, you know, another brother dead, you know. And so you know, I kind of talked her through that. She was like, no, he's passed out. He's in his apartment and you know, I said, okay, well, I need you to, you know, go inside the apartment. Make sure he's okay. And you know, just take his keys and you know, make sure he doesn't try to drive anywhere whatever. She's like, oh, he's not gonna. She's not going to be able drive anywhere. And I was like, well, just still, you know, make sure he's alive a and b. Take his keys so that even if he does at some point, want to go somewhere, he can't hurt himself and that kind of stuff. And so she did all that and I then I talked to my wife and I said, you know what? Like. Like with my oldest brother. At the time I didn't have the means to really do anything didn't have the finances I didn't. I didn't and also didn't really know what to do like his situations kind of complicated because a lot of times he wouldn't be able to get help until he wouldn't be able to get help for being bipolar until you like came off drugs. Yeah, it's really weird with us up way. If you're taking other drugs like they won't prescribe like which was like, okay, but. See the problem here doctors the problem here. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, yeah. So for him it was very complicated on like how to get help where to go and these different things. But with Chris, you know, I talked to my wife and I said, we gotta get them up here right away and I don't know we're going to do with them, but let's have like an intervention, and then we'll figure out stuff from there. So he did all that and we had an intervention, but the whole time he was here. I don't know if he was still like messed up from then or if he took something, but he never remembered any of it like he was like out of it the whole time. It was crazy because here we are, you know, we're family all porn our heart and soul out and Ralph St. all these things for all of us are crying, busted up. And you know, because a lot of emotions are flying around and and we're telling them, like, dude, like if you need help, you didn't just tell us if we don't know what's going on in this kind of stuff. And the next day you know, he I, I asked him, I was like, hey, you know, like I know like we said, a lot of heart hurtful things, but we're all just trying to help, you know, really. We just wanna move. We want to figure out how do we move forward from, you know the situation and he's like, yeah, man. He's like, I don't remember anything you guys said yesterday. I was like, I was so fucking mad. I was like holy shit. And so at that point I realized I was like, okay, we'll I'm not a perfect. I don't know anything, you know and I'm not a professional. And so we called one of our family friends that was addicted to alcohol, and she recommended of like a place that he can go to like detox. And so then we sent, we sent him there. He went there for like seven, eight days or something like that. And he said it fucking sucked. Any hated it, you know force. But you know it worked and then we were able to get them into like a a rehab center and that that's awesome. Ended up being the biggest thing, but as a family, you know, we all we all pulled together and we all did the best we could. I mean, that's probably what it takes to just have a chance is you gotta get everybody. Everybody's been saying page. Everybody's got a new like a unit. Yeah. So I know like when the we had my mom harder bench nece I guess you call them to come over and her thing hurl thing was like the, it's more like intervention on the family of like the addict, right? It's more like, hey, this week you guys need to do because I mean, if you're depending on the person, that's like fucked up to like fall, some sort of structure and rules. That's a bad plan. It's about, you know, that's why it's so important to get that person to a detox receive any information. Yeah, until they're actually a little. Bit clear. Yeah. 'cause they're just someone else like you like, I'm sure you've looked at your brother that looks like my brother, but his eyes are doing this weird thing and look like my brother. Yeah. So you got to like get them online first before you can actually like them? Yeah. No, it was really scary. What do you recommend people that might have a family member? My have somebody that, you know, the holidays are coming up and a lot of times we run into, you know, our Onckelinks that's got the problem or sister-in-law, whoever might be, what, what would you recommend like should you Kana reach out? Should you kinda say, like, I, you know, I always kinda recommended people like, you know, just really see how people are doing like like, you know, it's one thing to say, hey, how you doing? That's like a almost like disagreeing, but to really kind of check in with somebody. What do you suggest someone to do if they kind of know someone has a problem? I think if you're concerned with somebody, you know, they have a problem. Like, I think the reaction I think in sometimes I'm guilty. This is like, hey, like what's going on like this, that or the other because you wanna fast. But I think the real thing to do is, hey man, like what are you doing? Saturday? Let's go hang out. Go to just hang out. If there's something wrong with them, they're probably gonna bring it up the four or five hours hanging out right or something, you know. And it's probably they're not going to feel so like jumped on maybe. Right. I think you just hang out with the people that you're concerned about an let it come out more chemically. Yeah, then might not going to mention it to you at the thanksgiving family gathering. They're not gonna. Pour their hearts allows you like with my little cousins, you know, I always try to make time to go see them because I know it's like, you know, pretty important. Good to have like positive male people around. You. Try to always make sure to make time to see him and they used to just call them like what's going on. You're not fucking up. Are you can't just like sit there and run through you? Actually, gotta you gotta go hang out, but you know? Yeah, pick them up, you know, chill. Go get some food, you know, actually have a day together then throughout the day that are gonna tell you what's up. Yeah. So that's probably the best way to go. Just spend some time there you go. What do you got coming up next. Other than battling it out with the manatee manatee. Well, we got the record breakers. You got the record breakers. And then after that, I'm going to Florida to Steffi's doublet either. She just got engaged. Look, I know the. That's awesome. I think they copied Andrew, Andrew, got engaged, and they just like, oh man, we can't be outdone and does follow me. So he was fucked guy, did it. So that means I'm going to have to do it now putting the pressure on on your son? Yeah, exactly. Stealing ever. Dude, like just know who did it. I e couldn't couldn't wait a couple more weeks. He had to just it's like when rappers drop an album. On the same day, it's like, come on, man. We see you. And we, we see messed up. You know, it's funny because in person he's pretty straightforward, but his post early so funny on Instagram posts are Larry's isn't good ones that are like, I don't know like there it's a he has. He has. He has a great sense of humor. I always think it's awesome. So you're gonna go down there and that's a a meat as well. As did you say seminar? It's just a, I think they're just doing like a double if exhibition unsanctioned. That's a mid December, right? Yeah, mid-december some sometime. So that should be fine, and I'm just going to shut it down after that and just, you know, the retire and ride off into the sunset, Jesse birds back. That's right. That's right. We'll be sitting on top of his head. Yeah. Oh my God that mega mind, Hege mind, you know, sort of sort of calling me up there. That's a big old dome. How are some of the lifts going getting ready for record breakers since it was such a short turnaround, the volume pretty low, both Belay accessory working or will in to make sure my body's healthy for the day of, but it's been going pretty good so far. Last squat day didn't go quite as I wanted, but the lifts her come along. Well, too. So what's what's your favorite movie favorite movie at you? Look like a comedy guy to me. I like some comedies. All right. Since around the comedy his hand favorite myth, it's depends on mood AMAN. I guess also favorite movie seen lately or recently maybe is. No, so many movies. I like I like. For Halloween, any scary movies. Like watching the Freddie Krueger movies and some around the house. My favorite terrifying haunted, my often my child severely remember readi- Krueger. That's a tough one I get passed. Yeah, because it's like he gets you in your sleep, bright. I know what he's supposed to get some goddamn rest over. Some trouble sleeping because APEC. Yeah, there was a dope ass movie that scared the shit out of me. It was called in the mouth of madness. Okay. Is basically its author was writing books and he goes to some random town and all his book start coming to life. But it's so it's so if I recommend anybody watching them for Halloween, is that it's it's fucking dope. Check it out. And Irene been watching lotta Stephen King movies lately because he had the show Castlerock. So we watched the stand by me. That's one of my favorite movie. They ask them. I mean, that's a solid move. How about anything on Netflix right now on the whole Netflix stand by me. That's Stephen King right now. Stephen king's like Shawshank Redemption hiring mile like, got everything handy. Do crane. Andy, do defray. Redemption pet cemetery. That's my favorite. Way, pet cemetery, creepy. That's because you know, my my nephew is going as Chucky for and he's like five ham bone. Perfect. He's going to be so scary. Chucky have bad dreams about Cecchi. Horrify that only got me a little bit. He does a little like little praying things like how donate him. La. Pay cemeteries terrifying to somebody. Sweet. Yeah, it's really creep quite. Get my dog back. Wait a little different. He's going to be a little bit. He is. He's got to go to rehab. You guys have some TV shows you like to watch together? Yeah, we got some shows. We watch together game of thrones, of course, and we're watching Westworld. And right now we're pretty, I on shows or no, south park been getting out of south park. We're wanting to sell park together. Yeah, Yup. So that's been fun. I like Ozark allied been watching that would say some Bateman. Right. Every keeps Ozarks. It's good. It's good. It gets to be cricket, just gets to be wild. The story just gets to be crazy and Creighton razors you start to pry full through some. I haven't had that much time to to get that deep into it yet, though. Green lighted for third season, though. Oh my, yeah, karate kid? Yeah. Yeah, it's coming back. It'd be guys seeing the the one or the Cobra KAI that's. Ground looks. I was really into that show. It's dope. Episode gotta starts afresh and up on it when it starts to come. Yeah, it's supposed to come back and I'll check right now, but I know for sure it was green lighted for a second season because I remember being pretty excited. A few. Yeah. Somebody mentioned black, mirror. Have you seen any of those mirrors? It's see. I like black mayor, but mean I feel weird after watch that shit. It's trippy. Puts me in a weird mood. I'm like, oh, man, that's terrible. Yeah, makes you like dating. One was gnarly. Have you seen that? I've seen them all. Hard times like some of those shows really do mess with like, yeah, they really do mess with your emotions. You watched like you know, some of these like murder, mystery shows like the ones that are real is almost worse. Yeah, creepy. This puts a lot of crazy thought it'd probably shouldn't be there. Well, the the one that's so relatable and black mirror is where, like basically your credit score is kinda based off of your your overall rating based on how many likes you get from people. So it's like if you and I have a conversation, like dude, Mark helped me with my dead, lift five stars, and then I go to Jeremy, and he says it might have looked like shit, do you know what one-star motherfucker? And then that messes up your overall rating. So when you try to go buy a house or something, they look at your with like a yelp ratings, it was like, hey, you gotta maintain like eight hundred. If you wanna live in this neighborhood and it just this girl, you see all the struggles that she goes through the wedding, right? Yeah, Yup. Yup. She gets so many down votes. She goes to jail. So I'm just thinking like, do this is not far off like for like we're heading there? Yeah, exactly. It's a trip, but that's probably my favorite shows really the premises of that show pretty spot on. Yeah, like, well, I kind of that happened in. I used to watch that I had to download it illegally when it was only like in the UK. That's how long I go back. Seems like twilight zone. It is. Yeah, it absolutely is. So Jeremy, you nearly died a couple of times, right? Yep. Wherever actually pronounced dead cardiac arrests said to him, that's that's pretty crazy. Any of the things that that you have overcome any of those things play a factor in in in your actual lifting? Like, you know, do you ever kind of like go to some of these dark places to, you know, try to draw a really strong powerful lift or or do you just kinda concentrate lifted self. I kinda just. Sometimes I'll think like, oh, man, I'm like so lucky to be here lifting like, this is great. You know, I mean, decided I just try to like think think of sometimes I try to be more turn out to go to like super dark place and do all that stuff. I feel like. I, if I, if I try to do too much that I feel like miss something, you know, like a especially like squad, maybe the deadliest he can get a little bit more nuts, but like for even there trying to be more reserved and if a when I think about that stuff, I'm just more like, hey, like be grateful to be here, like no matter what happens like it's good like like like this extra credit for you. Right? Like you hear lifting weights like your situation in life where you get the spend all these hours in the gym working out. You know your luck though. So I kind of just that's kind of keeps me like calm. It's probably a lot more sustainable too because he walked around the chip on your shoulder. Like, you know, after this f. that like no one knows my history, they don't understand why came from like that kind of thing. That's a very, that's exhausting. Well, that's what got me fucked up in the beginning because I did that when I was a kid. You know, I was like, well, if you knew my history, you understand why am drinking this Jack Daniels before third period. And look how much pain I'm in. Yeah, you know, I don't wanna identify without any more like being a victim and like all that, like, you know, like feeling sorry for yourself shit. So just, you know, just be happy and grateful that usually try to be in a good mood and try to be, you know, calm sometimes get hyped up more in training in like outta competition, like competition. I don't need more hype. I need the other thing. I need to like chill training. Sometimes you need a little kid and get fired up. Yeah, definitely. But everyone's a little different. You know, whatever, whatever works for you, whatever. Whatever helps. You know, some people like to go up the bar and just have total silence and concentrate. Right? Yeah, yeah. It's a little bit unfair, but you know, so I just try to find somewhere in the middle, you know. All right, that's Jeremy villa. Strength is never week this week. This never strength catch you guys later later.

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Annie Lawless, founder of Lawless Beauty and co-founder of Suja Juice: When you take an investment, it's like a marriage.

Skimm'd from The Couch

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Annie Lawless, founder of Lawless Beauty and co-founder of Suja Juice: When you take an investment, it's like a marriage.

"Today's episode is brought to you by Sephora. They've got clean makeup. Meaning the beauty you on minus the ingredients you do not will explain in a bit but first. Let's get into the episode. You have to remember. You can get money from so many sources. There's only one you and one idea so you're actually the valuable one in the situation when you take an investment. It's like a marriage. I'm Carl Sagan. I'm Danielle Weisberg. Welcome to skin from the couch. This podcast is where we go deep on career advice from women who have lifted from the good stuff like hiring and growing a team to the rough stuff like negotiating your salary and giving or getting hard feedback. We started the skin from a couch. So what better place to talk it all out than where it began on a couch today. Any lawless joins us on skimmed from the couch. She's the founder of not one but two successful brands. Her most recent venture is lawless. Beauty a clean nontoxic cosmetic company before starting her makeup line any co-founded sujit juice one of the largest organic juice companies in the country with experience in two different industries and he has proven herself as an innovator and as a business leader any welcome to skim from the couch. Hi thank you for having me so first of all. I'm obsessed with your name. What a great last name. My last name people think it's not my real last name sometime but today I was GONNA ask. Yeah it is and I dropped out of law school. So it's kind of an interesting coincidence so I want you to just kind of the way we start all interviews which is skipping your resume for us okay. Yes so like I said I was in law school. I left Phoenix. I went to Arizona State where I grew up in two thousand and ten to start law school and I was pretty miserable and I knew I didn't want to be an attorney like a urine. I was like this is not for me so really. My First Post College job was Suda and that was the first company that I started with my partner at the time. Eric and it really didn't start with any goal to create some nationally distributed juice brand. It really was just a local delivery service. We just loved organic cold. Press juice and decided to start this little local service and it grew into what you know a sujit today and so that was really my first kind of project and then in twenty fifteen. We sold fifty percent thirty percent to cocoa a twenty percent to Goldman Sachs and. I decided that I really wanted to take my passion for health and wellness into another category. And so for me that was beauty. I obviously was so conscious of what I was consuming and I really cared about health and wellness. But I'm also a makeup girl and I love beauty. I love makeup. I love products and when I wanted to switch over to clean makeup I was just so underwhelmed by the pigment the coverage and the types of products that were available for a makeup girl so that was when I decided I wanted to start lawless which launched in twenty seventeen. And that's my current fulltime hundred percent. You know project an all in on right now. So what is something that is not as part of your scam or not on your linked in that we should know about you. I would say that I am a very. I wouldn't say highly anxious person but I have to be doing things at all times. Have a ton of hobbies. I do tons of yoga I read. I read like a new book a week. I'm always doing things I feel like even when I'm not working I'm always getting into some sort of project. The last book I read was actually a reread. And it's the secret because I wanNA talk any welcome so our people last year ask Carly and me. What were some like management books? We had read and I responded. The secret and it to me was really helpful. In how to think through manifesting visualization life. Yeah when we started the skin we were remains and we had a bookshelf with l sat books. Jerry Books G. Mat Bucks like all the things and then just the secret. That's a guy that we need to get this off the ground. Well I read it years ago when I really wanted to take the leap and drop out of law school. I didn't tell my parents. I was so nervous to take the next step and not know what I was going to be doing. I feel like when you're in school. You have this constant continuum of knowing after school. Then I'm going to get a job that I'm going to do this. I'm going to get promoted to this then and I was like for the first time. I don't know what I'm doing and that book helped me so much. What I put out there will come back to me if I just stick with my passions and aligned with my purpose and the things that interests me it all will fall into place. The universe well provide whatever it is that I'm supposed to be doing if I just keep waking up every day doing what I'm passionate about and it worked out and I know that sounds so cheesy but I wanted to read the power recently and I was like I really WanNa brush up and read the secret again. I saw my next book is the power so when you were growing up. He suffered from some health issues. That caused you to think about your health and body in new ways. Talk to us about that. Yeah so it was asthma. That was the biggest thing that I had since I was like a baby all the way through adolescence. It was all over my face my body my arms and it was really quite odd because most infants and toddlers grow out of eggs. Ma and I was getting to an age where I was really self conscious about it. I was in like I was about twelve so like middle school area worst age. Yeah and YOU START TO CARE. And so Pediatrician did an autoimmune panel and it turned out that asthma's autoimmune and so a seal EAC and so I had sealy act disease and I didn't even know what it was. I didn't know what gluten was back then. You couldn't order by any gluten free product so once I cut gluten out of my diet miasma completely cleared up and after years of using steroid creams interesting. So uncomfortable it was like this huge lightbulb moment for me that there's this direct correlation between what we consume and how we look and feel and that just caused me to like devour every nutrition book. I could get my hands on food book health and Wellness Book Cooking Book and that was ultimately how I got obsessed with juicing so I want you to take us back to what kind of mental space you were in when you came up with the idea for juice. It wasn't even really coming up with the idea like I'm going to start this brand and we're going to have it in grocery stores nationally. I was so obsessed with juice. I read every book by the Skydiver. Norman Walker who created the first cold press and he was the first pioneer to really taught the idea that juice could cure all these generative diseases and cancers and skin ailments and all sorts of things and so I was just you saying for fun and I was working the front desk at a Yoga Studio in La Hoya in San Diego and a guy. Can you are in law school at this point? No I had dropped his right after. You're right teaching. Yoga was kind of my way of doing something to fill my time and figure out what I wanted to do. And this guy's skated up on a skateboard to take class. And checking him in and he has a green juice in a glass bottle. And so did I. And so we strike up conversations so we ended up dating. We read hanger all the time. Make juice and just started this little local cult following of people who would ask us to make them Jews mostly through the Yoga Studio and then it just kind of by word of mouth grew in grill and so people would text us every Sunday their orders and then we would make it and deliver it. And that's actually how I met. My current husband is he ordered juice from me. Dafa and I delivered okay so four before we get into the business side. I just have to ask. What was it like starting a company with someone you were dating? It was rocky. I mean in the beginning. It's all sunshine and roses when things are great and you're getting along and you're in the honeymoon and you're excited about starting this new project together but we did end up breaking up. We're still great friends so everything turned out. Well I mean it's an evolution to get to that So in a Lotta ways. It's like co-parenting when you're divorced because you still have this baby doe working together. We were still working together and this was right when we launched in whole foods so we had a lot at stake. We have these huge opportunity is and so you kind of have to cut your emotions out and realize the bigger picture and that we both just want the same thing. We started this because we love juice. And now we're GONNA get it nationally distributed and be able to have other people experience the same type of product like we need to cut the crap that we have personally and just continue forward and there was a period of time. I was much more active in president and he kind of needed his time. But for great friends now and it all worked out. And there's obviously a big leap from year in a new relationship and you both have a hobby about making juice and sharing it with friends and customers of the studio and taking meetings a whole foods. What was the skill set that each of you brought to the table. That really started making this at business. Yes so eric. My original partner was relieve creative so he was really into the product the recipes Just a super creative guy and much more organized and analytic and I'm also very creative. I'm much more creative than I am like math science minded but I definitely was able to put a lot more of the business pieces in place. Initially we just had to investors who were local guys that had tried. The juice really loved it and wanted to know more about it and you know said. Hey we think we could really do something big at this and I think we were all thinking of the blueprint model where it was just like a national home delivery. I don't think thinking retail at this point and we only had a three day shelf life because it was an unpasteurized cold press juice and when whole foods approached us about the opportunity. They were just starting. I'm sure you guys have seen this. But there's like a little local signed by certain products that they have in store and it tells you how many miles away a little picture of who made their kind of just starting that initiative and they were looking for local brands that had unique ideas of products that they didn't currently have their assortment. So we said Hey. We only have a three-day shelf-life XYZ and they require thirty days and obviously selling unpasteurised product. Just the same way they don't sell. Jerry is a problem so we actually researched food preservation method called HP which is high pressure processing. Now lots of brands use it. But it's a way for juices to be essentially pressurized in an ice bath so that they stay raw so we employed that technology and we're able to launch in whole foods as a test and the southern Pacific region and then it did really well and within six months. They plus us out nationally to whole foods. Rich You I think. Initially we had a contact at whole foods that was interested and she kind of wanted to know more and then we were connected to kind of some higher up people and we pursued it pretty aggressively or you nervous or were you like no. We deserve this to happen this I yeah I think at the time I was really excited about the idea of doing it in my mind so much work needed to be done to make it happen. I never really got overly hopeful and kind of just was going down the path of exploring the relationship with them and figure out how we could make it. Work whole foods. Seems like such a big company. I didn't realize like Oh. They can just launch us in that in six months. They complex us out nationally. And so I don't think I understood the gravity of the opportunity when it first presented itself. I think that it was more. It'd be really cool. If we launched in whole foods you know. But I don't think I understood that it would really change the business and be that one moment. That really catapulted the brand to like national household name. How did you guys think about distinguishing suture juice in the beginning because you were right at the trend of what is now a very crowded market? Yeah and we were really lucky that we had great timing because at the time it wasn't a crowded market at the time. I don't believe blueprint was certified organic yet. They quickly became certified organic but I think when we launched we were the only certified organic brand secondly are blends so we did really unique blends at the time. I think blueprint was very straightforward. It was like Apple. Lemon beat you know and we did eight plus ingredients on a lot of juices inc things like turmeric you know Sour Cherry and all sorts of like really high antioxidant things And the flavors were really kind of had this little local cult following so we had a lot of unique juices that weren't in the typical assortment of other brands. And I think that set us apart and also just the story that we had founder story it was kind of this little local success thing that I think people really loved knowing about so we weren't just kind of this nameless faceless brand. Who did you turn to for advice as you started something? Got This incredible opportunity. And then you're negotiating or navigating. A sale process all pretty quickly. That's a really interesting question. And that's something I always get asked. I feel like a lot of times. People will say like who is Your Mentor. Or who did you look to? And if I'm just being completely honest I don't feel like I really had anybody. I was like twenty four at the time. None of my peers. Were doing anything similar. I feel like a lot of the older people in my life that I knew. Kind of pooh-poohed. This idea didn't really take me seriously what we were doing so I really just relied on my partner. At the time that we would just go back and forth and it's really just came down to ultimately trusting ourselves and figuring out what felt right. Sure you make tons of mistakes that way but I feel like it was the biggest period of growth because I was able to learn as I was doing things. And if anything didn't work out it was really on me which is kind of a cool thing because at least at the end of the day you think well it didn't work out but that was my decision. We are traveling all the time for work. All one thing that we are really obsessed with is thinking through what we put on our skin one. We are flying when we are travelling when we are on the road in so many places. It's really important that we keep ourselves healthy and we've started to think about. What does that actually mean regarding the products that we use on a daily basis and also because her skin just looks really bad when we travel so he loves using products. That are because we like to know. Now what's in them and we don't want to actually have to sacrifice the quality which I think is a big misnomer. I think about clean beauty. And that's something that we've really started to investigate in so lucky for all of us. This March sephora is raising the expectation on what clean can be yes. They have some amazing brands that are clean and thoughtfully made. Some of our favorites are bite. Ilia Kosas our Ms Beauty Tower Twenty eight and artsy so the products are packed. With good for you ingredients. They look good and they make you look good. It's great that one of our favorite stores Sephora is focused on clean beauty. We really appreciate that. I think that we are part of a generation. That's really thinking about what's going into the things we use every single day and it's great that we can get all the products that we really love without the ingredients that no one needs exactly so time for you to get the best in clean makeup at Sephora online and in store right now look for the green seal to know which products are clean at Sephora. Certified you started the conversation today talking about that. You have invited and that that you're anxious person. How did you overcome that to be able to channel trusting your gut and not leaning on mentors or support network? Yeah I actually think if you channel anxiety in the right way it can be a really powerful tool actually to keep you moving forward. It's sort of like this restlessness with me and if I kind of stopped focusing on fear and worry side of the anxiousness and more the restlessness of it it helps me make decisions and helps me be a little bit more maniacal about what I'm doing. Because I'm so fixated on the project and the end result so I feel like really dropping the fear and constantly coming back to that notion like in the secret that fears ultimately the only thing that holds you back. really helps me channel. Magsi more to like forward moving versus stagnancy. Let's talk about the sale. You make this huge shift in your life from dropping out of Law School. You start this you learn so much and then you're in a position where you step away. Was that hard initially. I think it was. It was both hard and it was both so simple and easy because it was clear that it was time for me to work on something new. I think when you start a business. It's so exciting in the beginning there so much work to be done there so much unknown. And there's this constant build build build. That's thrilling and then when a company grows and there's a lot more people involved the team as you know hundred plus people there's multiple investors. It's running it's business. As usual every day I felt kind of stifled like there. Wasn't anything left for me to really do back to the anxiousness. I was just ready. I was antsy to do something new and get up and go and so I think that was when it was clear to me. But there's always that bitter sweetness because you remember what it was in the beginning. It was like your baby. And you're kind of leaving your baby behind but it was good. How old were you when you salt? I was twenty seven. I believe twenty six or twenty seven and I want to give you a little bragging rights Edens sulfur. Small amount and the company was valued at three hundred million dollars. When you sold. That's extraordinary. You talk about you know you didn't have the mentors or the people who are maybe like the older people in your life that you would have gone to for advice. Kind of pooh-poohed. This was everyone's reaction. I think everyone was just really proud. I think it's also inspiring to other people because it's not like I'm this super knowledgeable business personnel trapped loss. Just knew exactly how to start a business and so I think that's kind of how we all are people don't understand you don't have to have a business plan to start a business. You don't really have to know what you're doing but there's this idea that you do and so I think that hinders people from just doing things. Because they feel like they're not in the position they don't know enough. They need that. Stay need more money and you don't and so I think it was just inspiring to a lot of people in my life who either had ideas or just felt like they were holding themselves back because they knew me and knew that. I didn't know what I was doing either. I mean we agree with you. Don't have to know everything before you start and you don't have to have your business plan totally baked. But what do you think you do have? We did not yet. We did. Not which is why we agree with you. But that's why you guys just did what you're passionate about and look at. Where so do you think the key is the passion? I think it's passion and also a uniquely differentiated idea. You need to find a white space in the market. Like what are you bringing? That's different and you have to really kind of know yourself on what you can do that. Someone else can't like what's your spin on something. What's your angle on something? What is it that you can bring to the table? That hasn't been seen or done. Because especially in products consumer products now are such a saturated world whether it's beauty whether it's food whether it's fashion you start to feel like everything's been done because kind has so unless you're going to do something a little bit different that you have this uniquely creative idea about even if it is in a category. That's been done. I think that that is your real sticking point. What was the white space you saw in beauty Sephora was doing this big push for clean skin care about three years ago? They had really brought on all these clean skin care brands and it caused me to switch over because I was starting to learn more about ingredients and I started really making my entire skincare routine clean and I was like. This is so crazy that I'm spending more on cleaned skin-care yet I'm so married to my makeup products that I love that. I'm putting all the ingredients back on my face. Five minutes later we might make up onto thinking about that but yeah it makes no sense if you really look in the mirror. It's like what this makes no sense so I was like okay. I'm going to try to switch over to clean makeup and when I was playing with it all I was just like this is just not my journey. I am not a no makeup makeup girl. I'm not going for the natural luck. I were full face of makeup every day I like full coverage and so when I kind of saw okay. If that's what clean makeup is this is why clean skin cares. Happened and clean. Makeup hasn't is because there's nothing over here for the makeup girl that's going into Sephora buying fancy Hooda all these brands she's not GonNa look clean because that's not the type of makeup. She's after and myself included so that was when I realized okay. There's definitely a white space in clean. And I want to kind of redefine what people think of when they think of clean and create products for the girl that isn't necessarily looking for clean makeup. But it's just such a great product that she is into it anyway. Can you just for our listeners? Just explained what makes a beauty company clean? That's a great question because it's kind of undefined. Right now Sephora has their clean seal which does clearly delineate which ingredients cannot be included to be a clean brand but every brand different so me for example. I don't use silicone in any of my products some of the clean foundations. Do I personally. Don't so talk is a big one for me. Obviously parabens for me synthetic fragrance. Because it's a big way that brands can hide ingredients and then a lot of them can be allergens or irritants so I really wanted to be transparent about what's in the product I said. Oh to Kane it's a preservative that's Houston a lot of foundations but actually can corrode plastic That's why most foundations are in glass. Bottles those are like my top line things that I really tried to avoid. So how did you get up to speed on all of this just through research in Google and my own personal lake fascination with just ingredients it really started with skin care when I was researching for myself of cleaner products to to buy and reading all sorts of blogs and you know journals about different ingredients and what wasn't wasn't clean and then when I was formulating my makeup I kind of use that list of things that I really was avoiding in my skin care in my line for my makeup and then every time a lab would send me a formula and I didn't understand her known ingredient I would go on e? Wg which kind of just ranks ingredients by how toxic they are and what they've been linked to just kind of do my own research that way and understand what was the function of this ingredient. Where did it come from so I just did a lot of research really through Google and just learning that way? I love makeup. I love skin care and for me. It seems overwhelming. How do you advise people who are starting off in this trying to navigate this world trying to make good decisions? But also you know aren't as obsessed where. They're googling all day long. Where do you start? I think that things like this before clean sale. Make It really easy because you don't really have to read the ingredients if you know what isn't is included part of the seal. You can just use that as your little guide. I also think like what's important to you. You don't have to clean overnight. I don't make everything in my line because for example I haven't nailed a clean Mascara. I've been working on it for two years but I am not going to launch something just to launch it if I don't feel like I'm going to use it instead of my conventional favorites so for me. It's really like don't be hard on yourself and don't go in being like. I have to go all or nothing. Just pick up a few products. Do you care most about what touches your skin directly than your base product. Just make some small changes and adapt at your own pace for what you're comfortable with and slowly but surely you'll find some of those like hidden gems that you are discovering through the process that you really love what our mistakes that you made at. Souda that you have avoided making the score around. This is an interesting one. I would say just choosing partners wisely through Soochow multiple rounds of investment. But I think initially you know I went in wanting to scale this business and wanting to grow and you have to remember. You can get money from so many sources. There's only one you and one idea so you're actually the valuable one in the situation at when you take an investment. It's like a marriage so you really wanna get to know each other. You WANNA understand it. All the time that you're aligned with your vision for the business because if you're not there will be had spudding. There's no way out of it. Their money's in you can't just you know cut you raise capital or gone capital differently. Yes so this time around. It took me two years to get capital. I really wanted to get my foundation belts. Really figure out how I wanted. This brand the literal founding literally kind of tended. I wanted to figure out like what this brand was. Who Am I? Who's the span and kind of got established before bringing anyone else in and just this past December? I completed my series. Say and it took congratulations. Thank you. It took months of back and forth with many different investors to spend a lot of time with people. I moved slow to really. Just make sure that. I was aligned and comfortable and I went with call capital and that's not see firm that's a private equity is the private equity firm and I couldn't love them more. I'm been here in New York. I hung out with them yesterday. Like I text them all day. Did you want to work with private equity over venture capital you know? I didn't know I wanted to. I took meetings with both. I think it was more the personality fit for me and really understanding what the relationship would be. That made me feel much more comfortable than anything else. It's interesting I'm listening to you. Tell your story. It's very obvious why you're successful and you very clearly breakdown. Complex issues in a way that they're easily accessible and it becomes a consumer product. What are you not good at a so? I'm really good at the plumbing side of the business like I'm the creative person I love makeup. I Love Product. I want to be in stores. At sephora. I want to be making tutorials. That's my passion so it's tough for me especially I'm the CEO and we're just in the middle of hiring president but right now I'm working on a lot of things I hate doing and I know I'm not the best person for the job. My brother new hate. I hate like finance numbers Wade through your brother. Can we ask him director? Come join us. What was any like growing up like? Did you think that she was going to become you? Tell your knees entrepreneur. Is David older younger brother younger? I'm actually the youngest in our family so we have an older sister as well okay. Is this your favorite sister? She's definitely moment so growing up. Anne and I had kind of a special relationship. Our parents got divorced when we were super young. And Andy kind of assumed the role as being the mother of me. So it's kind of been that way with us. We've had a special bond you know ever since we were little. What's it like to work together? It's interesting I was. I was an investment banker for like five years. We were thinking about working together when she first started the business and she approached me at a point in my career where I still felt like. I had some things that I wanted to accomplish. I told her I wasn't quite ready. Working Twenty hour days for years on end to kind of took its toll after awhile and turned into me kind of calling her and begging her seeing if the position was still open. And you know I had the skill set those right at the time. Just kind of helping us with our first capital raise and I would say as a boss. She's definitely tough but keeps me on my toes. What really ticks off. She's very unique in terms of how much energy she has She's so vivacious and I for one like get tired when I travel I what a unique quality you have I I think just like keeping up with tough and she can go on one hour asleep and do a podcast and then she's going to run to like three other meetings today like she's pregnant. It's pretty ridiculous. The amount of things that she's able to accomplish in a day and surely doesn't show any signs of stress. You're wearing yeah this time for our favorite segment the lightning round anti. What was your first job anthropology working retail? But you're going to see any anthropology major worst job real estate. What is the first one call you make or who? Is it too and you get good news. David my brother. What about when you have bad news my husband? When was the last time you negotiated for yourself yesterday? What you negotiate. I'm in the middle of hiring a president so kind of with my investors negotiating the personalities. I've ever and figuring out things. I wasn't wasn't willing to sacrifice. What's your biggest Vice Shopping David? What is big space bags? What is the last show? You watched real housewives of New York season like six with an older season. I respect that David. Why does the sister Lee annoying thing that he does? She definitely prize in my personal life. What's the last sibling fight? You had not about work. Nothing really comes to mind like we definitely have work related moments of tension but it really only lasts a short period of time. And then we talk it out like we'd otherwise you guys. 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HR 4: Are the Clippers shorthanded vs. the Lakers tonight?

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HR 4: Are the Clippers shorthanded vs. the Lakers tonight?

"The. Grabbing. Lucky Luke about right now. What is that? I just like I just like to hit it. It's a long story. That that draw something somethings and you just want to be in the dark about something easy. Just best just not to know where stuff started. Considering a sausage you don't WanNa know how that again made. The more I hear that sound the less I wanna know about what it means. This is one of those true in you don't want anything to do with it. Screw ignorance is bliss. Lakers. Down in Orlando kicking things off against a very short handed clippers. They're not going to have the Williams and knocking at Mantra era. We don't know yet the best of my knowledge whether or not beverly cleared quarantine of in he'll be available the Lakers opportunity to essentially rap the one seed for themselves but also I think they have just an opportunity to remind everybody because I agree with you, it's not a statement game today. Considering this still regular seasons during the clippers aren't going to be entirely all but I think they have the opportunity just to remind everybody not time just how focused they are on the task at. Like how? Dialed in they are on winning that championship. Well. When you have your leader being that focused is easy to see how they got here is easy to see why they didn't lose focus. It's easy to see why there is sharp as they are when you look at other franchises talented players. Take Philadelphia for instance, who's the leader? WHO's the grown up in a row? Lot Of. Talent. All Lot of talent. But who on that squad? Looks to be the leader. Person Who's going to make sure everyone's on their PS and QS all the is are died at all the ts across. Who is that guy. I. Think that. That's what I'm saying when you look at, you know so many other teams that are in the bubble you look at the Pelicans we don't know who the leader isn't the PELICANS. You guys are of the other guys. All Star Diogo other guys a former all star. The other guy is a buddy. Also my who's the leader? WHO's the one that gives the Gravitas in that respect in that locker will who's winning they're going to keep them focused when you look at Houston. You look at Houston. You. Know it's like okay. So who's team in anyway? Like really. Like really whose team is it James Harden's team Is it Westbrook's team. There are stretches especially early on in their season in which you they were struggling because they didn't know. That doesn't mean that they're bad guy a great player. But there is no question. Who is the leader who sets the tone? Who is the standard that must be reached with this Lakers organization? The clippers can't even really say that because our argued that doc rivers is the leader. Yeah. Yes. Would say why is the leader but some would say that Patrick Beverley emotional leader. You know what I'm saying. So even even with that, you see a little sprints returns of focus. But when you look at the Rakers, there is no splinter there are no questions. And it's because that dude has proved did. And by the way that dude still might end up being MVP and it's still in my opinion, the best player in the League. So. We don't have that person in the locker room studying the toll. Of course, you're going to look good coming up the gate because that's the expectation set by Lebron. The best thing to me, you look at the way lebrons has led this team this year it's not just the cure leadership and like serving as a leader for the rest of those guys where he's been phenomenal it the way he's empowered everybody along the way he's in powered these guys to be able to speak their mind like not everybody's voice is equal nor should it be lebrons voice matters most and it should but everybody on that team at heard them talk about it all season they have. A voice, they have the ability to hold each other accountable. They have the ability to call out the if they see it and they have a voice and great leaders do that great leaders are confident enough to not feel secure at the idea of occasionally being called out member there was that game during the season where Lebron had a pretty bad first half and demarcus cousins who wasn't even play young. So many words told Lebron at halftime pull your head out man you're Lebron James, like get it together. And great great players. Great leaders are to that, and this this season in particular has really been just a great example of all the different facets of leadership and what they need with. Ron. Well, he is showing people who still question whether or not. He deserves to be the go conversation he's showing. Exactly that. You. have to understand he's the oldest player ever. In the history of this me. To lead the League in assists. For the first time. That he is still setting positive career high marks in season. That grazing bonkers it's grace. When we talk about the eventual decline of Lebron's James, we're still trying to figure out where the peekers. Host waiting for the decline waiting for the descendants. He. Hasn't even has he reached an apex. If, these still steady if ever double double for the first time in his career shooting about fifty percents feel and has this team number one and what is considered the hardest conference and a leader and A. Favor twin NBA championship is he his peak now? Later. It's interesting elsie like He. He's reached his apex as pure athlete like name abroad is still a specimen. He's still has cable doing incredible things but terms of pure athleticism I do think that apex is passed. What keeps Lebron alive. In the way you're talking about in terms of ascending still potentially isn't player is he's so versatile any so smart. That if there is a way to crank it up with your athleticism in relative decline, he's GonNa figure it out. You know it's like the way Kobe adjusted his game a bunch of different times. He started gravitating more towards the post as he got older pre Achilles because he came to realize like. My Own Sanders athleticism is relative decline. The Kobe was so smart as a player until fundamentally sound especially with his foot work that he already really create post player went and spent and summer working with the Chemo Elijah like so we could. Post move footwork. So he could extend his game that which more and still stay that much more effective and Braun smart versatile enough that if there is a way to do it, he's GonNa figure out. Yeah and he's at that place where. Wisdom and body are one. You know normally when you a you know this Andy as Jim rat you know when you're young, you have all the athleticism in the world. It's stupid as hell you know what? The hell you doing. The Bronx came into the League knowing what he was doing with all the athleticism. It took him a little bit longer to figure out how eventually become a dominant force in the post. But as far as the PERUTA players concerned he came in. Willing passers. and. Proven to be a pretty. Deep Guard in terms of how you stop him from scorn. And people like to say, Oh this age you know the broad James is planning a easy age of threes Blah Blah Blah when the branch Ame started, that wasn't the league. He's played through two different eras in the NBA and as the best player in both of these. Arabs. Like we to appreciate what we're witnessing as Laker fans, we also need to appreciate what we're witnessing just as fans of sports and athleticism in greatness because what we're see visit normal man. What was seeing doesn't happen often. We're talking about. In terms of where they are. We're talking about he's tiger woods. He's a Jordan. He's Serena. He's a Joe Montana. That's what he is. He's got all star. Garbage he have been all star like a decade ago. This would do that history is going to back on and all. That's what we're witnessing. When you look at Lebron's all-time mileage like you it's amazed everyone knows how long he's been in the league and everybody knows the accomplishments and you know it's amazing to be doing this age thirty five. But you should go to basketball reference DOT COM and look at the all time leaders for minutes and you take into account what he's doing with this type of mileage and the responsibilities that he has with that type of mileage it's insane it's unprecedent. This thing in particular has never had like I. I'm not a basketball story, but I am competent saying this is on charted territories like this has never been accomplished before most people don't stay in the league long enough to have that opportunity much less be good enough to do it like that. You would even ask them to do something like this is insane. The responsibilities that he still has right now at this stage of his career on an elite team. Like, this team is a leap and then got talent the pieces all fit together but they are still built for the wrong to run it, and in a Lotta ways Lebron only to run. So. It's it's amazing. We've never seen anything like it before Elsie and I'll know forever anything like it again, there's a good chance I don't clap. And don't say stuff like that. Come on you know better than that. You're a middle aged man you know the word is useless. Never. Always, a two of the most useless words in English language. Don don't say we'll never see a guy like that again because we never was going to see another Guy George Gervin again and then get some showed us. FREAKING Kevin Durant. Going to say it often, and now we're say. We ain't going to see another Kevin Durant. There's somebody's GonNa come out and better than Kevin Durant so I don't. Sleep you know what? Though even those guys though and I take I take your point you're right I mean there's always the new next but Gervin and Durant is great as they are the on. Red, they're not Lebron in terms of that talent longevity the AIDS it's pretty unbelievable. All right. Breaking out more of what's going on in the NBA the Lakers, the clippers all restart he joined by Kurt Healing, pro. Basketball. Talk. NBA season restarted you got the Lakers and the clippers six o'clock tip local time also why and I will be posting a are hosting a watch party. That can be found on these stations socials and joining us now to break it all down what's happening the NBA Kurt Hewlett. How are you? I'm doing good man. Thanks for having me back on good to hear Your Voice Handy. and. Heard, my voice voice. Voice. I I'm I'm I missing Andy kind of balked me out from the soft serve ice cream machine at staples center. So it's good soft men. Come first-come-first-served. ice-cream. It's good stuff. All right. So I I saw serve Andy. I all serve for call serve. took. The the best player in the bubble is news. Quite Leonard. ooh. Look, thanks for joining US Kirk was good talking to you. We'll talk. What do you think else these voice now? I. Know. At the end of the day creepy yacht but I've got a I. Look. I. Just predicted this the other day I think it's going to be quite he has been went healthy able to lift his game. To another level the last couple of years he's had the break coming in. Able to get his own shot impacts defense like as do those other two guys but I. I'm picking why to be guy who didn't who's who ends up being the MVP about. Wow. That is a bold prediction for. Fro Basketball Talk DOT COM are. So if he's GONNA end up being the MVP of the bubbly in all begins today with the Lakers versus the clippers at what what have been your questions of both teams you know in these scrimmages like what anything can you take away from what you've seen with either of them? I'm limited in what I WANNA away from them. I will say this it's really hard to take anything away from the clippers because they were without so many guys and it'll be that way a little bit tonight. It's a little hard to read into what they're doing But. That's the way all season with them hasn't it. They do Paul George and quiet Leonard there. But I I'm cautious to read too much into them until they get. especially, you know Lou Williams. Obviously. Won't be there because of lemon pepper wings and much herald is still out so until they. Until those guys are back. It's a little look that's their bench. It'll put away. So I'm hesitant with them with the Lakers I will say this I mean again, it's been limited minutes for guys and what have you? Especially the first game. Lebron came out focused they came out focus. This is a team that had built such good chemistry over the years over the year with their guys. And that's still seems to be there Know obviously they're gonna Miss Rhonda when Lebron sits and Avery, Bradley GonNa hurt and certain matchups including the clippers. But the chemistry and the intensity were there and I think that that's the most important thing for them. They've got the best do in the week they've got the best pick and roll Combo in the League when it comes down to those final minutes, it's going to be really tough for everybody else to stop. That's what makes them contenders and the fact that they're bringing the intensity. I think that that means I. I just don't think they're losing step despite having lost a couple of guys yet. When you look at some of the new pieces they picked up at the end of. The regular season, Dion Jr Morris, which of these three are more likely to find themselves on the floor when it really matters and why. Not. The Best of bubble. Okay to get that out. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. It just. Based on history I'm not sure you want Jr Smith to be the guy out there in. In recent years Dion though bring. because. He's been hitting shots, but I just Diaz. The Guy who brings something that they need with Rondo out he can not only score. He can do play making. He's got a rounded game I. Think can fit with what they need off the bench more. No, we'll see once they get into. This look it. It'll be fun for the first eight Games. I. Don't WanNa say it's their exhibition games but there somewhere between that in a regular season game coworkers who aren't gonNA lose their number one seed. You know they'll play well enough. But when it gets to the crunch time of the playoffs and the plan in eight nine man roaches nine probably eight-man rotation, we'll see how much time he really gets. Waiters to me is the guy who can. Spot spotting need. Talk with here and covers all things. NBA Pro basketball talk is where you can find all of this work. Which is in western conference. equation weeks at the Western Conference teams do you think present either trickiest most difficult match ups for the Lakers as terms it playoff opponent? Honestly not that many of them I can I just say I don't believe in Denver. I. Because because it's Michael Junior. Yeah know. Wow tired. Z.. Think he's had enough of some ills. He came on here to talk to handicapped is in that that when you keep putting in the conversation, that's what's going to happen. I should've told you LC. Vegan. Probably. I don't. I'm just in shock I was like he comes on details that Kawais the best player in the bubble he comes on he tells me that Jr Smith should be in the floor that towards opposing seconds of the game he comes on and he hangs up on us after say he doesn't believe in Denver. Well we got him back though now Kirk and Kirk and explain himself explain his actions. I, love? I. Love. You know I I just I don't trust Jr.. We'll. Here's here's a part though I, mean just real quick. Here's the part of the conversation I really just talked about. He out the offensive rebound. Like everyone focuses in fact that he forgot the clock and that he forgot the clock in the score and I get that he got an offensive rebound at the free throw line going up against Kevin Durant. Like I don't forget that part of either. I i. hear you look it. It's really this simple. Honestly, this applies to a lot of the guys picked up including including the on. If, you're getting picked up now because you you and able to play because you were out of the League in March. That's not a good sign man the the like the best players in the league aren't land around in March with nothing to do so if you're having to lean heavily on these guys. I don't know that that's ideal. Even though I think they're capable of spur stretches filling in a role. It's that fast like this. You can't be going to the to the to that car the free agent in March card to fill a major need. So that's all I'm saying about this like you don't necessarily want them and they big spot and you've got guys already on that roster to fill in those roles are just a little banged up with a banked up and I mean Bradley made his choice as you know I it very reasonable one and then no rondos unfortunate injury. So there's a little time different forty four minutes tonight to fill in. Kurt. So. I think what I left. I was GONNA say the team I just don't believe in Denver. Own Man I don't I just they look like a great team to me that doesn't I think I. I'll tell you who worries me I. Don't know if I want Dallas in the first round or two that's the team on the rise with Luca that. That's GONNA give somebody some trouble if if you're either the LA teams to avoid them in the first round. That's interesting because I heard a lot of people say that curb Kurt Hew and covers all FDA prevacid all talk like they've become sort of a sexy dick that that people are looking at is the sleeper and I respect the hell out of Luca. He's a great player I. Don't see what am I missing? I don't think it's as much porzingus as the way riccar allows uses everything. He's also he's got he's got. Big. Men. Who can roll hard to the Rim and fill in there you know Wesley Matthews is look pretty good in moments like the just they've got guys who can shoot curry's looks good. They've got four spacing. They've got a sense of who they are. They've got a coach who puts them in good positions and they haven't Bursa Tilleke on this roster. To beat you in different ways and that's always dangerous in the playoffs I think what makes the Clippers will dangerous I? Think is what makes Boston dangerous teams that are? Built to be versatile and play a couple of different styles. Those the teams have become real trouble. If only win one way like I don't know Houston like. Somebody can figure that out and get to them. Yeah completely, versus and they actually don't scare me at all because I don't think they're cable manny type of adjustments Kirke list covers all things. NBA Pro. Basketball talk freesheet. The Times Osmond. Thanks. Take Care Guys. Thank you. Sir. Quite. Letter bessler bubble thing really guy going. Well I mean I. Don't like inaccurate information being. On our show. Okay. So when so wickham so when confronted with inaccurate information by good instinct tells me to correct it. Okay. So I agree with you that Lebron is the better player in bubble but who who, else besides Lebron, like who comes the closest to matching Lebrun? Who is I guess? The biggest threat to the BOBBLE says the bubble king if it's not wrong in that come next then he s yet. So we're talking the and we were talking about everything with Lebron and how he is still when push comes to shove the best player in the League. And as you were saying best player in the bubble despite what curriculum healing would contend with Kawhi Leonard at the end of the day the best player, the one that you want down there on your team is Lebron. That being said. Which Clare Do you think actually has the best chance to emerge as the best player in the bubble if it's not actually Lebron for whatever reason. The best player in the bubble has not Lebron if it's not the broad who. End Up be. So, how are you defining the success as it lifting a team up beyond what is opposed of? Ben Is just having outstanding performance regardless of team result like how are you characterizing this because to me? They're different answers I wouldn't. For instance, I would not be surprised if when it's all said and done Damian Lillard is the leading score out of the bubble wouldn't be surprised by that at all. That doesn't mean that they go far in the postseason right I would not be surprised if Boston Celtics come out of the east and upset the Milwaukee Bucks and Jason, tatum leading. I would not be surprised if that happens. If. The clippers were to upset the Lakers. I wouldn't be surprised if emerged as leader and so I mean it all depends on how you're defining success. Okay. Here's how I'm going to define it. The player has to be fueling a team to at least the conference finals you at least are reaching the conference finals to be part of this conversation. And if it's not Lebron, who do you picture that dude ending up being I think the order. goes in terms of. Shocking results. I think it goes Lucre TATUM's coli. No one's really going to be shocked makers making in the western conference final like something. Let's be real. No one's be. Maybe. They don't. Ask shock probably be sucked. Don't that would be the shot but lucas a really good player in Dallas has some versatility occurs point and the Lakers have one two series but you know the Games they were interesting what I'm going into overtime needed Danny. Green hit a big three fourth overtime. So I mean they got some real stuff. But I'm telling you that do it in Boston. That it in Boston's ready man. People Sleeping on him. They got him outside the top ten list and things like that. That dude. He's he's he's he's ready and we don't start a love with Luca and stuff and we're all caught up in that and that's fine and Dandy Louis Elephant not trying to Rama which are sleeping on. Jason. Tatum I'm just telling you man I'm telling you that dude is ready for a moment and you also sleeping on Miami and what Jimmy Butler has been able to fuse and their culture down there don't be surprised if Jimmy Butler. Comes on them best because he's been able to get Miami to the Western Conference final two. So I think there's a lot of guys in that mix. For me and my purposes I do believe that Lebron James as a leader and as a baller. Player in that bubble. He he's the one that you want the most like. We're saying before like, game. Damian Lillard is as frightening as anybody in the and I actually think other than Lebron Damian Lillard may be the best leader in the NBA I mean, you WanNa talk about what we were saying before else about a guy that sets a tone for an entire organization and like you know what it's going to be like when you join up a certain team Dana Lillard. I. Think comes closest to Lebron. But still at the end of the day, I? Don't think there's anybody that you're. Going to be more confident having on your side than Ron. But if you look at like the opportunities, they're going to be there particularly in this year's playoffs with all the adversity that led up to actually getting down to the bubble and making this happen like whoever ends up winning this championship and if you're the face of it, that's going to be remembered like this is not going to be one of those championships that you know people can't quite place or it was two, thousand, eight teams at two, hundred sixty. Everyone's GonNa Remember Twenty. Twenty. So if you're the face of that team standing like four Kawhi Leonard or Jaanus or. Jason tatum among let's start thinking about like a real upset like this is an opportunity to go down in history books even by the standards of championships, get you in history books. Yeah I mean this is GonNa be. This is going to be a fun ride. This is going to be a wild ride and this will be Lebron James if you were to pull this off the second, most difficult championship as pulled off I still think back in three one against the thirty points win team a bubble Nobel. No routes will be the hardest. This is really closed because of the conditions and what they had to overcome. Your This is going to be pretty like the idea that there would ever be an aspirin to this championship anything. It's the complete opposite like the this is going to be a year that it is truly an accomplishment to make this happen coming up next. Our seriously are we closer to baseball ending like this is absolutely insane us new breaking news with baseball game that I. Get a little. Scary with baseball. L Z. and. That my friend trying to control the. Throw spread. Marlins now up to nineteen. Testing positive. For Corona Virus nineteen players. With the Corona Nineteen Seventeen players, coaches, seventeen players, coaches, nineteen total with the team. Instead of before. Baseball opened last weekend. They need to come clean. They they need to come clean. Now, what were you guys are doing? What were you are doing because that just seems like a lot. were. You all the badges city shares, same bucket of chicken wings. You. Would you playing? We plan twister like a giant game of twister like vaccines like a lot that. There was that report remember about Bob Nightingale who is very careful with. Does that he heard that a bunch of Marlins were at a party while the team was in Atlanta. What's going on but like this seems really big and really quick to be happening at this level, this has to be alarming baseball just has to be. Well. If it's only one team that made a bad decision then. You know you can breathe a little bit easier. If it's Widespread around the lease, which is if you have another outbreak, maybe not with nineteen, say if you have an outbreak was six or seven. Then, you have to really start to panic as of right now from my perspective this looks like one franchise that made some bad decisions in. ATLANTA. Ticket careful seriously or. You know they got a hold of some bad water or something. I don't know but it seems like it's isolated white. You know speaking of being isolated. You guys were talking about the NBA. And players in a bubble in best player in the bubble and and you that got me thinking of guys. What's that rush? Yeah All. Right. So don't want to do that means speaking of players in double. Mostly these guys are here. Can you guys named me? The NBA players current NBA. Players with seven or more. All Star appearances current MBA players with seven or more. Also appearances yard. Why don't you go first I'm going to go the brawn James Do. You know what Andy Good Choice I like that choice that's a good choice and I'm GONNA GIVE YOU A. That's right. In got a lot of. So, why did you choose seven? 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Matt Minich's Chalk Talk 10-3

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Matt Minich's Chalk Talk 10-3

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja. Warrior fan don't sound so at big points a screaming night the ones who want a mess. We use a joke guy the one you want to Cheswick. Yes we battles coming along. Wilshire Mimics bengals shock talk here on Orange and black black insider on your host as always meant Mimic wish I could say I was happy to be today but after that Monday night it is it is really tough to look at any of this stuff so unfortunately that's what we gotta do this what we do is we go down with breakdown film. We try and figure out how to get better and this may be a particularly depressing episode because here we're going to look at talk about the eight sacks that the bengals gave up on Monday night in their a week four loss to the Pittsburgh steelers so if you're listening on the podcast few download the podcast you know I will get into to the description and tell you exactly what's going on if you have a chance to check it out on Youtube. There is you you with a youtube as well so that could be a little bit something extra. You can kind of put some Put all the pieces together really on what's going on and see what is in in front of. You really can't take a look at some things for yourself before you even get into my breakdown all right so this is a play. I WANNA start with this. This is not the first second I'm GONNA go mostly chronological but I'm skipping forward to the third quarter for this one. We're looking at this. I this is a play. I tweeted out a video clip of this and it got a lot of reaction and basically I was saying hey you know if Zama is Manda man with. TJ Y in pass has protection. That's the coach's problem that's not a problem and a Lotta people get some people blaming Dolton don't check into play but guess what he's guys activity in his earlier and he's not really ultimately in charge of what the predictions look like and really the biggest thing though was a lot of bobby a heart hate hard did not have a good game Bobby Hart gave up a sack of some some saks and could have given up more for for other players hadn't however this one is not on Bobby Hart so we'll talk a little bit about why now starting with the left side of the Line K Andrea Smith is the left tackle. He steps to the inside. He's looking looking at at the edge player in the edge player actually goes to the inside so that reveals that he is in man protection is pretty obvious there he's not kicks in anything steps right to the inside with with that guy and guys come into hard he is for the most part able to able to pick it up all right the left guard hard Michael Jordan. He has got a two. I player lined up on his inside shoulder to technique AAC so he steps to that player Hopkins the Center steps that players well Ba- really just throws a handout and he is looking up to the linebacker depth in really to pick up something come across so he is not that is not his designated man. He's Kinda looking to help vow and then we actually do a stunt so the three technique who's lined up outside of the right guard. Miller he stunts harder the inside Miller Laura's shoulder kind of boils down with him. Try to kind of push them along through and Hopkins up getting involved in that block as well now here is what everybody was commenting on on my twitter you mentioned this week. Bobby Hart steps down and yet he blacks. Nobody blocks nobody and then he turns look at his outside. I get so we see a little bit of this. This is essentially similar to what happens is doing over there. Now he's uncovered. He is never man he steps to the left. Often than looks back ends up helping with three technique and heart steps doesn't have anything wheels back around now could he have helped out. Cj who know what is rushing outside so I mean is it possible to work the double team on a on a pass rusher yet brute receive him on this play but if hurt was working a double routine with his Alma he will be playing what the inside what stays the outside. There is nothing that heart could do even if that was his intent right away with the help on a double team. There's nothing they can do here so we'll see in other places where it was on releases or the tiny releases and the other tackles go to pick up the defense. That's a completely different story. Yeah you can tell her that. He's blocking that guy release. I'M A- but he can't be on outside of the double team and the only thing that you could really do to help us. I'm out here will be using mixing kind of chip off on him but there's play action going in the direction so that's worked on this one so autism right. He's not an offered to lyman so he canna turns and opens himself up really makes it short quarter. You know he's not if he kicks up if you knew how to fix that but I don't even know if he knows how to kick step but if he kicked up and made it a longer longer edge he'd be putting himself in a better position but he's got a really wide basis just kind of turn and open it up and what's coming around for the sack all right so I said that's what sack and a loss of five so this was in the third quarter they'd actually they'd actually gotten gotten a couple of first downs number starting to put something together and then they come out and I down and they sack or second fifteen what happens on second fifteen. It's a penalty into second twenty and in this noise act which we'll talk about later on third down this this is how they derail themselves these this is how they caused themselves problems all right so now back in the first quarter back in the first quarter. The bengals came out in their first right. They got a couple of first out all right which is better than they were doing early. In the bills game we we go so that's good but in what happens you know they they get down to the steelers. Taylor Tori territory they've get second and five and they give give up a sack and I completely derails the drive because this is not a team that can convert thirteen fourteen is a team you know this going to throw screens on those those downs and pick up a couple of yards punt because they do not trust their pest protection to protect the quarterback when absolutely have to and without John Rossiter really not GonNa be picking up these these long hours things about the best thing they had gone from so this is actually the same protection that we had looked at on the previous play so starting again on the left side Andre Smith. He's man he is actually GonNa look at down down linemen. you know the whitest down lime is lined up inside of him priests nappies talking to Jordan there cannot communicate about that guy steps to the outside and and Smith up Jordan steps to the outside to that BA gap looking to pick that guy is screaming through true doesn't happen but he do he turns back is a little bit of a push on the nose tackle Hopkins Sky all right to help him out but not it to much. They're really working back out trying to help see if Smith is gonNA work back in all right so hopkins has a one technique tilted one technique sneak on the opposite side. The right hand side aren't so tilts times they're coming across right so he should really be aware of that and that's where he gets so hopkins were of this guy coming across his face steps to him stays with him and he comes across as a pretty good each other like. I said a little bit of help from Jordan at the right guard position John Miller John Miller steps to to the outside really really he's got basically double team situation going on here with bobby heart or that guy is a four aren't four four technique really lined up heavy directly head up on heart right so Miller job at this. I mean that comes across comes comes inside and you know he's he's playing playing tight with. He's placed wrong with it now. Heart is not heart gets way to involve throws his shoulder into it right and what happens. We get a linebacker coming through that seacat. Actually I believe I tweeted that out as I said yeah well. What are they gonNA do in a linebacker goes through the C- gap and that's just what happened here so they get Devin Bush screaming through hardest completely aware but he's the guy who's got. GonNa till back for this so this is a play heart can make this is what needs to do now not only only is it. He can help he can do this. This is his job. He needs to pick up this blitz and he doesn't so this act one thousand percent. This act is on Bobby Hart again. Amanda Amanda Situation With Watt wide is taken that edge on him easy and if heart blocks Bush that sack in so really the the sack was credited you know against bobby heart but who's Oma just as bad here. That's a that's a critical error from greeting this film because he's essentially along a sack. He's just he got lucky that somebody else's man got their first all right so here. The bengals had a couple of three nouns and then they actually put together and other drive. There are moving pretty well down the field once again they get into Pittsburgh territory now. They're in the red zone all right. They've already blown it in red zone once earlier in this game and now here freezing first and ten in on the Pittsburgh eighteen. We have another sack and worse than that. We have a strip sack. So you get resumes. GonNa protect the football. You've got to come away away with at least three points here. They're not good at turning these red zone trips into seven points but you have to come away with at least three points and that's that's not what was happening here. That's not what they get so starting with the right hand side and we'll look at heart. I hear really they've got the soon have mankind scheme going on here so hard step into the outside. He is looking for what what's light up why. CJ CJ is out there a little bit wider. Watch out over him. WHO's is releasing into a rout though right so he's looking for what what stunts to the inside though right so now the guy defaulted lion who's lined up just inside side of the tackle a four I and he works to the edge aren't hurt. Doesn't alright job on him. You know he picks it up. Now what's coming to the inside right so John Miller sense to this guy and he just gets way too involved in it. He's gotTa to see this thing is going wide and pass it off to heart. He doesn't and that allows what to to come around him. Hopkins does a great job on this play actually that you know he is. I look in to help out on the backside on the the two I Michael Jordan probably whereas the rookie there but he sees watt coming around so he's got his hand there. You stand in that backside. There is a big gaping keeping hole there for what to come scream through in hopkins religious sacrifices his body. You KINDA lunges out and gets in Watts. Wayne slows them down now. Would it have been enough if he had any longer. I don't know but you know he did a great job of trying to get there and save an preventing you know the the immediate knockout Akao blow that was that was coming Dandy. Doll Michael Jordan has said he's got. The two ion from the left guard position in that spot. He's he stepped into him. He is getting pushed back pretty severely also his anchor is a repetitive problem. We're talking about more and more as this goes on but he is getting pushed back from that defensive tackle and then finally the left tackle is Andre Smith honoree research has a real wide rusher depre- he steps out to him doesn't kick step does gain death he steps out to him and now allows depre- come from screaming around his edge just terrible technique what he's trying to do and you know the. Andy kind of puts his face into a little bit he's not using his arms at trying to use lengthened all and getting back not kick step INC in creating a wider angle for debris to come around and that's a that's a strip sack. That's the drive and I mean that was I was the story of the game giving things like that. killing drives with Saks and screwing up in the Red Zone is this teams problem have had limited those two things they were in this game. I mean really the the defense the defense dinner right in the first taff obviously the third corps was a completely different story for the defense of the defense did right in the first half and this team is is alive. HAS SEAN in this game if they do better red zone and if they don't allow a sack or penalty or both to to completely derailed drives all right so the bengals got the ball back with less than a minute to go and no timeouts so their odds of scoring getting the field arrange even not very good to begin with but any slight chance they have doing that went away with the sack so I I down. They are able to pass the ball on tape for fourteen yards aren't moving along a little bit and then with thirty seconds left here we go oh. It's another sack so once again you know look at the line starting with the right tackle. Bobby Hart who's in man. He's got what what basically clubs his his arm straight down right decent pass US A little bit more death decent pass set by heart why clubs his arm write-down ribs around the edge and gets in there so this one on heart all right art loses to what on this one but unfortunately that is only a half sack because guess what Bobby Layman screwing this up so working back towards the left right. John Miller has got a three technique outside of him that guests nasty inside Miller picks it up a little bit on skates but he's Kinda you know he's fighting these hanging in there over on the left hand inside the left tackle spot at guys not come into hard. Smith great pass set but I guess dancing around with him so so he didn't get there anyway and now we go inside so tree hopkins since he's working back right in the center does the sometimes you know when he's looking to help out and he's not sure he's going to be. I don't love the technique by do see Affirma- amounts I think they're I think they're being taught basically he's GonNa backbone. He splits his hands. like he put one hand out to the right and he's trying to help out. Miller and they put out to left in. He's got he's got cameron. Heyward in that gap Michael Jordan really just kind of gives it push in that direction and then he's looking in from the left guard spot to help on edge. If under Smith is having any problems so really I mean at this point Hopkins needs to needs to be focused focused on hayward hayward was inside techniques to begin with you know he visit to I inside of the guard so he's the only player pre-snap that is in a gap. He needs needs to be over this really. Jordan should be too hard to tell all time what they're being taught so this is definitely on Hopkins probably also on Jordan to if nine it's least setup that he should be able to to help our something so you know half sack a really man's of being kind of a third sack both those guys and heart are culpable in this one all right so here. We're in the third were quarter. The steelers together Nice drive scored on their first possession extended their lead to seventeen to three so the game is starting to slip away the bengals really need to react and put something together they come out incomplete pass on first down and now a second conten- and we get a sack so again this is a three now but also drive to set up a third and twenty one situation for for them starting in the right hand side. Bobby Hart right actually has a pretty decent little pass set in. I mean what's jumping around around around a little bit but this is probably one of his better reps particularly against T. J. Watt John Miller the the right guard he has got got a three technique white three technique but still three technique outside of him he sets to him and he has a pretty good job on ends up getting getting a little bit of help late from trae Hopkins over at the Left Tackle Position Andrea Smith. He's GONNA why rusher he says to himself pretty well organza throwing a little spin move on him and his pretty easy from to pick up now. Michael Jordan the left guard and put simply here. He just gets out muscle power. You know he is is no anchor. He's GonNa sink his hips. Lower steps in order to anchor himself really hold himself down and prevent yourself from getting pushback he steps to the inside initially he's cameron heyward they were just lined up in a in a real tight too. I just inside of him all right steps to him to work the outside the actually adjust pretty well but he just gets too to high and then when Hayward brings it back and decides to push on him get some extension essentially pushed him right ended Dalton and he he gets the sack on that all right so the next sack was when we were. We talked about so we're not gonNA cover that again. That was the ZANNA sack that happen. The Anna couple of short plays later. you know that was that was a play that happened on first down second down guess what delay of game on a higher. You've you have a veteran quarterback taking delay game but that's what happened. I saw a delay of game and then a an incomplete pass and now we're looking at third in twenty. A couple of short plays layer so we're talking about. They can't protect the quarterback on any. Do you go. This is situated they. They need to protect the quarterback in this situation so starting on the right right. I'm Bobby Hart. He didn't have much going on here. Most of the defenders are to the left hand side right so he has just passed setting gets a little bit kind of half half of our of a of a ship assist from Joe Mixing. He's got what they're as soon as why engaged on him he is getting bore us back into that quarterback so this one doesn't end up in watts. doesn't end up being on heart but man. It really could have I if if if they been able to hold off there didn't have problems elsewhere they're going to have problems with heart regard Miller. He's never anything there. He is stepping to the left hand side looking in We've got Bush moving around a little bit but that's not the guy ends up coming all right. There's a four technique technique lined up heavy right head up on Andrea Smith and guy loops around a million is a good job of picking up so then we got Hopkins Right now. This is another situation where it's on Hopkins but it's also on Jordan so hopkins says got player in his age gap that weak side right and that's the guy who was actually lined up just inside of Michael Jordan so so hopkins steps to the two I and engaged with him right but now I mean he really isn't that much behind me giving up that gap. He's gusts step a little harder to that gap. He's probably expecting some help there. For Michael Jordan Michael Jordan no he's watching that four technique from outside by the tackle loop around and into kind of getting in in an pushing on hargraves back but not providing any real support hargrave turns his body and is able to get back there. I don't even know if he ever actually disengaged engaged from his block. It just Kinda gets a hand free and makes the tackle so really again definitely definitely own Hopkins but I'd say also also want Jordan here to Jordan's. GotTa do better definitely crooked. Both those guys sacks allowed. Both those guys heart really could allow the sack your you know if if if those guys were doing a a better job hard guy is also going to get there were instead. He's going to get there so I can't really forgive. That actually got lucky. Andrea Andrea Smith not really doing much position is the man he is. I bond is just kind of dancing around and not actually coming on all right so that gets us into the fourth quarter so now I mean this game. Is this is already out of control are in the bengals put together other drive it took him too long and ended up screwing up in the in the red zone kill a bunch of clock on it and now we're looking at three minutes and fifty the three seconds left in the game they are just got a first down a couple plays ago but that was going for it on fourth down so we're looking here at second and ten and again you know we'll take a look and we'll start on the right hand side right. Bobby Hart these He's getting pushback does not even want out even know what that is. All right is not what it's some third string guys they have been at the end of the game here how thrown through the bone for working hard and practice all week so not good. I mean it's not even want now. It's not even isn't even what regard Miller all right. He is not not to island of incentive he steps to that guy have concepcion as well most. I Pol and seeing if you can help out heart but he can't help him out right outside just talked about Harkin. How Zuma with a guy on the outside milk can't do anything with this so he stays there with Hopkins CNN's at the left guard. Actually we'll go with the left tackle. I at the left tackle position. We had John Jerry in the game this point not a good situation not even tackle and the this team in August had a limited amount of tackle bodies. an I'm Jerry so juries past setting now once jury came in. They started doing the things that they should have been doing all along to help out their off line So has just Ozzy Patch Jerry tackle that after what we have seen from heart and Andrea Smith in this game with very little since they're like wow John Jerry's gonNA better help so gender gets a not really even a chip from from the Rhinebeck here and I guess your two guests mixing so the double team with the right back there and you know he got started to come around the edges running back is able to kind of stand him up and prevent threat that Russia pretty good job there and maybe something they should have been doing earlier in the game. Maybe Sunday need to be doing to help out you know with with heart art even when they according Glenn Beck at left that they need to help out heart with stuff like that now the problem the big problem is inside inside and Michael Jordan Michael Jordan. Pass sets opens up the gate right. He has got three or four. I add say say all right. Cameron Heyward Hayward is out wide by the tackle taking a wide approach of I and Jordan totally bites. He opens up the gate. Johnny turns his hips and hurry does a great job taking his left arm and just extended getting getting Jordan related turn his hips even more with that extension and just counted ribbon on through with that writer so so boom get the extension Joseph head back and rips on through an off to the sack alright so the last play of the game at least really the last play the game for the steelers took a couple of these four down now the bengals actually managed to convert an previous when we were talking about but because they had four dance to do it fourth-down fitting that this game should really officially end with a sack so once again starting on the rights hand signed Bobby Hart right tackle. This is what out there this time time looks like they're trying to get him some help with the running back kicks pretty deep and gives into it but once his hand on what what is Boris and into the quarterback but again why can't get there in time because somebody else gets there first so inside at the right guard position in Miller step down he has got He's got a humaneness. W He's got three technique. They're three really like scores straight up and he's getting push back a little bit but fighting it hopkins kind of aware of the left left hand side. I pray will spooked thinks Bush's coming because Bush wash right in front of them puts out a hand doesn't really do too much until late when he comes in I to help out Miller at left tackle wanting and we get John Jerry out there. They're helping John Jerry. So what are they do. They take offered and they do. A serious chip on defense really wind him out how John Jerry on that again. Why aren't we doing that to help Hart. you know when you had. Andre Smith in there there who's better than hard anyway. At least it looks and now billy price in at the left guard spot so left off guard billy price together. It looked pretty good and that's by Jordan has not people were wondering why price wasn't in there and certainly everything that was seen so far in this game would support Michael. Jordan should not be in there but now price comes in and what happens he. He's got a really nick physically in the B. gap. I can kind of a wide three technique but I guess three technique price system and then just kinda like ducks his head throws shoulder at him not striking CNET using his hands at all as real easy for this guy to get by and when I say this guy I'm seeing that because I don't even know who this guy is a Lua Lou who never heard of him and our first round draft pick is getting embarrassed by this. Guy at the end of a very long long and very embarrassing evening so everything that you feared about the bengals pass protection is correct. I mean it was bad from start to finish so heartache who was worse. I mean you you know heart heart. I believe is at one point five sacks their abbot really could have could have been higher Hopkins in in a bad spot there as well Jordan multiple bad reps from him so hard to break down. What's what's necessarily on Hopkins sincerely on Jordan but you could definitely say you know mall. Will you know they were related to multiple sacks. They're all under Smith gives up. One dealer price goes up one in a very limited amount of wraps high also full started a belief and and Jews is up one so overall This is the problem you know. This is the big problem album that needs to be solved. They tried to do something with it. which you WanNa Williams can pan out for this year? Hopefully that helps but guess what Joan Williams isn't enough. They need to address this this issue and go and get more guys get more help on the offensive line because of what they are putting out there right how is not cutting it. They need to do better and they need to really for this year to having a chance. They need to improve the guys. They have so now. Let's get to be coaching could be scheming but they need to do a lot better with the group of guys that have gone out right now. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcast for a behind the scenes. Look at all the action of the show and more with your favorite favorite competitors listening subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is. It's all spoiled every Tuesday Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants warren middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights writes announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP all right so this week the bengals the winless list bangles are going into play the winless Arizona Cardinals both with rookie head coaches trying to trying to get that elusive first win and playing a team that brought in erade coach who better to have on is my guest this week than a man whose twitter handle is at four verbs and that is Charles McDowell from the being new New York Daily News trolls how you doing today. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Thanks for having me on the air a little ball yeah appreciate it so bill. now. I think areas one of those world terms of kind of gets thrown around a little bit and you know I it's. It's a buzzword. You know. It sounds good so people I'd like to say it. can you can talk a little bit briefly about what that means. We all kind of where where that came from and you know what what to expect from an eerie team. I yeah sure so. I guess you know I come into the season when I still work at a espy nation Russian my or one of my season preview pieces. was you know just detailing. I guess the intrigue around Cliff Kingsbury an offense and you know like you said the big thing has been you know and big blocks air-raid Cliff Kingsbury area than how he's GonNa yeah revolutionized mission is. I don't know if revolutionized the NFL is the right term more or less just getting the cardinals offense of the ground and I think you know He. He's probably guy that can do that once. He gets more pieces but so I talked to how money and Sonny dykes and how money is you know widely known as the guy who I guess quote invented. The air raid the stomach historians. Let's say you know. He took them stuff old. Byu teams but we need to get into that on this but so the the original version of the the air raid was it's really it's it's really not something that exists in the NFL because the original version of the air raid at of household let me was literally just for five between four and six passing plays and if you play Madden you've seen all of them. Are you talking. You know four verts wheel routes. Mesh all the really basic plays that you see in manner. NCAA fourteen that's what how talking about he's told me you know when when they first started they literally only had like like five or six passing plays and then in terms of running the ball they would. He said he said all you need is an inside plane and outside. I play screen off the bat so it was a very very basic playbook and the original version of the area was just meant to you know hey we're going to get these five or six plays or maybe you know ten to twelve plays in our entire playbook. It just really damn good running. Those you know ten to twelve plays I. If you coached coach High School Ball I played high school ball. You know that's Kinda. The philosophy that you see there like with with younger younger kids but it was kind of revolutionary I guess to see on a scale refund collision one school so how that to Valdosta state and his often coronated over there was Mike Leach who we all know as balloon that coaches the Washington State Football Team uh-huh and they pretty much revamped while gus state within two years so if you go back and look at the history they went oh and twelve of all dot state and then like within two or three years they were almost winning the Division One AA national championship in their quarterback almost through fleck six thousand yards in or humor through for like four hundred yards over his final two seasons after they're gone winless before how and leads cop there then you know how goes on to Kentucky where he's throwing passes is with you know delay Jared Lorenzen and just smashing records Kentucky and that was in the late nineties early two thousands and Jerry Lorenzen is still the Akashi leaders at Kentucky so you know it's very much predicated around throwing the ball and you know just kind of letting guys make plays downfield but cliff lift doesn't quite run there in mainly because you can't run a handful of plays the NFL and expect after work so I talked to sonny dykes. Who was the head coach coach at towel when Jared Goff. Is there and you know got him to be the number one pick and he pretty much told me you know you're going to see some areas stuff for cliff. Ah In really really if you go back and watch Texas tech stuff. He's just GONNA run. The best plays that he has for the offense available to him so if you just look at Texas tech I mean he had adjacent morrow who caught one hundred passes at tight end the Washington in Oakland as a running back had twenty five hundred rushing yards in two seasons with cliff Kingsbury the obviously you know mahomes and just absolutely smashing the doors off bat in terms of efficiency and the headache four receivers with over six hundred yards and I think two thousand thousand yards are in mahomes final season there so you know the the name of the game with Kingsbury is less. Try to get whatever offense how we have in the colonels. They don't have much right now. We're just GONNA try to put them in the best situation to succeed and figured out from Mary. I mean you you see cliff kind of get creative with his passing plays and when he dow's up front placing how he's going to dial up his option plays but my friend beds at all twenty two on where he put it to me in a great way where you you cliff is kind of seen as by. I guess by Gerald fans as guy who is like a primitive off into mind 'cause you 'cause you know your average family. Look at air raid may see a you know this will never work at the NFL but you know it's more like college football's version of Sean Payton and now he's just a really creative Austin's of mine and obviously the results. Let's having been there yet but you know when you watch it on tape you kind of see you see the potential of if they get better players involved yeah. There's been some interesting stuff. They've gone so far. I mean like you expect you. You're seeing a good spread. Formation do seeing a good amount of empty backfield little bit quads in there you know it's probably like making myself a million years old by saying this but to me it it resembles like a triple option option offense in that everything seems to be geared around being being good at a limited amount of things and then using different alignments in two different formations to find advantage on the defense. you know obviously it's the exact opposite triple option that you're passing almost every play instead of running almost every play the the kind of the same sort of idea in in mindset behind that. I think it's interesting to note you know you. You talked about Valdosta state. you know they coast coach. They're gaining Chris Hatcher there and Hatcher took over it as all moderate the the head coach not long after playing there and and with very successful division to coach and then they see the same pattern with with with leeches man Kingsbury you know have taken over taken over there not not terribly successful in terms of wins and losses but you know taken over and put together. you know really good offense there I think it I think it's interesting that you know the idea of mixing these things. It's almost like you've got half an offense 'cause you're you you look at the past game there air and then try and do some different stuff with the run mix it up and I know myself coming up at the GPA like I I saw myself as insights allows like zone guy but really the past game stuff that you know we were running. was largely the same stuff. It's the it's the mashes the cross it's the you know the four verge mere routes. You know things off of the same tattoo standard so I think something that there are people out there that maybe weren't you know. I I. I wonder say Texas kind of like a wink and a nod like yes not real. That's not real erade. They're young Yup because I think there's probably people out in in college ball that they can blake. Leo Frown on a little bit like May. That's not the real so you don't have the guts to go for an all the way so. I think it will having that experience for myself and cushioned in that there was a team that we looked at in the NFL. We like well if there's one team that's doing this and the NFL if the New England Patriots it's interesting because now they're now now there's a little bit more running the ball and other teams but in the in the early two thousands they briefly had cliff Kingsbury on the team and then and obviously they brought in Wes Welker from Texas Tech and turn him into a star after us like the backup kicker basically Miami and and you know like they they really took allow those concepts and and put it in the NFL so definitely a we've seen seen a little bit of it before but you know going to the source of bringing Kingsbury taking it to to a different level so what what are you seeing right now on on film and watching the cardinals they can't stand up to us some unique wrinkles that he's putting on with this interest in the NFL. I think it was pool is if you go back to the week one tie against Detroit lions where you know you watch the first breath I guess two and a half quarters of that game. You're like wow like this. This sucks this is not fun to watch and the players in very the good and the like he looked like that I very very small isolated sample size of like the first three quarters of that game because they really kick into overdrive for the fourth quarter takes it. You wouldn't be impressed at all but then you see that fourth quarter and you see now like when you see teams spot where we got to score points now if you've got to hurry and you see them really opened up the playbook like that's where you kind of start to see okay like this can really work. I think it was the touchdown to send it to overtime. I where I don't remember who it was up. I think it was a running back up the field and I you know smart. Football wants twitter Chris Brown. He'll he noted that it was like the famous Air Ray play where you're sitting in the running back up to the scene and get a massive on the linebacker caliber to do like a perfect the cash and you know they scored a touchdown to tie the game and send it to overtime and you know we all ended a tie but you know you see stuff like that. You see you see these wrinkles. They put it in on triple. Option speed option to make it a little bit easier on Calamari I I it's just like it's frustrating because as a fan if you're a Carlos Fan you look at this and you say the potential for like a super duper explosive offenses here but we just don't have the pieces yeah. I mean power Murray is I think an absurdly talented quarterback and I think he's GonNa be great but you know he's still a rookie so you gotta give him time to get to speak their. They have a ton of rookie wide receivers receivers. I mean any Isabel has really seen the field yet. They like outside of Lae Fitzgerald. Almost all receivers are first and second year player so you know it's just a lot of experience that you factor in the off the vine and that's why they really haven't been able to get off the ground. One one thing that I think is interesting about the cardinals. Is You kind of look at the back half half the first game against the lions plus against the Ravens and they're like a super duper aggressive downfield passing team and let in college make plays. They're opening things up with four birthplace. DOC plays five birthplace. We'll routes crossing mean everything that you pretty much steam college. I mean they're not you know Patrick Mahomes and the chiefs level but still hire a much higher level than they were a year ago and then he that game against Carolina League three where Cowan's on one side of the field throwing four touchdown at like over ten years pass and then you have Colin Murray who I think finished with like a hundred seventy three yards of forty three pass attempts but completed almost every passing through it's just a lot of thinking field so no. I think as they go through this first part of Kingsbury era where they I don't really have the talent. Maybe th running offense at its peak level. It can be a little bit frustrating but man like when you see the tape and you see how guys is can get open down the field or you see like the the madness behind kings varies offense you I. It's fun to think about like the I guess the potential of of this unit and I I I kind of feel the same way about the bengals where you know. They're like the truth team. That is a like a carbon copy of Shaw McVeigh's offense. We talked about all these people before and Kingsbury who who know Noah Sean McVeigh and will run like a similar offense but that's not really been the the case. The bengals are really the only team are running like the same stuff that the the rams it last year but of course you know the bengals don't have don't have quite quite the same especially on the on the line at the Ramstein laughing so the results have been mixed but you know I I I feel pretty much like very similar about both teams where you like the scheme you you like what they're doing it you just kind of need to get more count pumped in there yeah and and I think you're absolutely right and obviously Kingsbury head uh-huh at one point and I mean with cuyler Murray and they're the definitely gives an exciting component of things I think you know watching them. I remind remind you a lot of kind of kind of a generic generic a college team you know coming in and it really. I run the spread of adding the you know the way. They're doing the run game. It's the spread run game with the zone. Read you see them rented the zone triple different ways as you know from from just bubbles and now to to motion guys into for swings things along those lines I also British the two they they ran a what I would call sally reverse. It's like an old triple option play of out of the bunch formation so I mean definitely kinda thrown in some interesting wrinkles and you see the creativity and some of the things that Kingsbury. I'm trying to do there so now in terms of you know Murray. You know you talk to a little bit about him. with with a big you know bugaboo this offseason between Murray and Josh Rosen like you already had Josh Rosen there you know should you take Josh Allen. She'd taken off at the Wyman. you know keep you get you get so many holes in that he was as we discussed you get a quarterback and and they went ahead and pulled the trigger on Murray so what is it you know that makes Murray like the the special guy that they wanna get in there. you know that that he was you know that they were really willing to move on from a guy that drafts in the first round only a a year ago yeah. I think we look at Murray and compared to the Rosen personally. I I liked Murray more as a prospect school than Josh Rosen and obviously I think Mary is dealing with better coaching than Rosengard last year. Even you know you look at Byron left which is offense and Tampa Bay and they're kind take off a little bit so I maybe it's a wash there but when you look at Murray obviously like the size of the first thing and it and I yeah I didn't really care about the size but I do think it's Kinda funny like especially when he's coming running out the tunnel like you see always take time and then you see oh. There's Murray's like five eight by a he's very dynamic. I mean we didn't get a forty yard. Dash down on him. If you go back and watch some of the stuff oklahoma this this probably runs in the four four is I mean he may not be like Lamar Action Action fast but he can certainly break a fifty six yard revenues if you're not paying attention and you don't have them cute in with your back seven guys so you know. Oh you look at that you look his accuracy. You look at his arm strengthening pretty much everything except for size. He's like the prototypical number one overall pick in the draft so I think that we watch and like you see the the throws I think one defining throw for him is that we gave me a trait where he Hitler Cheryl on the sideline like late in the game and I mean there was no room between him the defender in the sideline. He's drop it right in the game. You see like that top. Your arm towns in your arm strength to make plays. I pretty much anywhere on the field that you need to compare with that. I mean he's really just everything to me that you would want a quarterback and and I and like I said earlier like the the often divine isn't there and he's still definitely with very young receiving core outside of way from steroids so it's GonNa take time but we just look at the raw talent there I I really do you understand why if Kingsbury is coming in he would want to take one and you want to his own guy in to take this guy who can do anything he would ask them because you now the I talked earlier about Kingsbury. If you look got statistically at least he's made the most of whatever talent he's given an offense now. You have a guy who can do just about everything that you could ask quarterback to do so I get why they went went that direction I don't really know what to make us Rosen. I mean I think in any other situation. He's probably fine but when you go from Arizona to Miami Emme like two years back to back in. We assume that if Miami goes on sixteen and happened to one pick they're probably GONNA take to go from Alabama like I really don't know how you come back from that. Even if you might be a fine prospect it might have to be like a third team which is kind of unheard of in the NFL gotta get that many chances so they can sucks for him but I do think that collar is probably better player and I really do understand the process yeah. Rosen's head tough goal. I mean he had an offensive coordinator that last year that couldn't figure out that maybe you should have your rookie rookie quarterback throwing the ball to David Johnson like like come on come on like like you got that guy like dump it off to get him some cafes game. Some you know get an Vincent completions ridiculous what they did not do David Johnson last year in in Arizona yeah I mean you. You know you make some great points there. I saw one one pass this year. I've forgot what game was with him was against but he he stepped up in the pocket and like there's pressure gresh around them and you know didn't didn't take off like you expect a an athlete do stepped up in the pocket and delivered dime down the field on a post host and whoever the receiver was drafted. It didn't even count the number one. I I think pulp the playback four times like only I mean he ee He. He definitely doesn't talented yeah. I mean interesting parallel you like you mentioned with the the Bengals. You know. It's hard to really see anything. No anything deal with anything when you don't have you don't have an offensive line and who were receiving these teams that are picking a pile a lot of times. They don't have a lot the things you know so they're getting a quarterback him and you know you gotta go out and spend some money and figure out how to fill some of these other holes because no. That's a different debate because you know the quarterback's the Democrat Julia you get the quarterback when you get we didn't get the quarterback but maybe you better hustle to get stuff around before you get hurt or or you gotta pay him a attack contract and he is only halfway developed and they can't put any around yeah so but yeah definitely you know some interesting interesting stuff there and kyle and his athletic ability and his arm. you know just just really makes it all the more interesting what they're dealing in there. We have a matchup with a couple of I I really really think the youngest to coaches in the NFL hundred percent sure on that him and couple couple rookie rookie head coach is coming in and so you know the first overall draft pick from last year and hopefully not but maybe the first overall draft pick this year. Things are going so We'll we'll see how it goes but I appreciate you. you taking the time to to talk to me a little bit about the the arrayed and what to expect a Kingsbury here you know coming up this weekend you have any anything going on like to plug no no not really just a flaw twitter at four verts and you know if you if you are a also weirdly fam- of New York sports or you. I want to keep tabs on my daily. Jones is going. I'll have you covered for this season. All right sounds good sounds good well yeah once again appreciate she ate. You have an on and you know hopefully hopefully somebody can can block on offense this week. this weekend and we see some some good offense they play from from both these teams coming together. Yep definitely agree all right so another week another opponent own and other winless opponent they do have one tie and the Arizona Cardinals so the cardinals have a rookie head coach is well guy from office background cliff Kingsbury coming in from Texas tech after a very you know ever so brief stop at USC and he comes in and this is this is a let's. Let's put in this offense as putting the air rainless throw the ball around around so they are going to come out and a lot of empty. They're gonNA come out and say quads formations that motion declines. These are things that get a Put the defense really in a bind you know you know it can be hard for them to lineup to and it's even harder when the team also has a mobile quarterback. The account for you're in particularly when you have backers aren't fast so this is a problem now. There's a definite problem for the bengals now against the seahawks the Corneau's drove down the field they didn't come out and empty you know they came on a two by two. OOF formation but they ran a quarterback draw on the the nine yard line guiding with ease and that's going against the seahawks got a good defensive got perhaps the best middle linebacker in the NFL Bobby Wagner Yeah and you know that guys like is not figuring out how to keep calum Murray for from taking a draw in in for a nine yard touchdown so not good things to worry about so they really run a lot of the same run game so you see with with many college programs and I mean honestly this isn't a true area. They're doing some different things with three banks in the backfield in putting the defense and weird situation they are doing some bunch stuff which was seen it in a minute here but you know jet sweeps are going to be something they're gonna come across too and as we know the bengals have had problems with their edge of talking about it all year they don't well and to make matters worse they don't have enough speed at linebacker to to be able to get to those so jet motion are jet sweep is going to be a promise well but they also do some kind of different stuff so actually one play earlier in that game against the Seahawks there in the red zone. They came out under center you know in a pretty tight formation with a bunch to the left hand side and they set the whitest receiver. Andy Isabella in gene jet motion cuyler fakes the hand off to him then the tightest wide receiver Christian Kirk Taste Ribisi written in the bunch on the snap he ran that direction too and he ran underneath Kyla Murray and he actually took the handoff so why for about six yards essentially there's a bit of misdirection involved here because keilor's colors go near a direction that running back David Johnson's going the other direction so the linebackers may be kinda biting on that but essentially the same sort of thing that we saw from Pittsburgh mark when they motion one guy fake the jet sweep and then a pitched it to the guy underneath and give give cutback so tough situation where if you start over pursuing look the bengals had a big issue against the forty nine with their backside thank gap assuming the backside cutback and really get into the beginning of the edge of the backside and we saw how the forty niners us that the cast swipe play with the I I come across but then with the with a wingback coming across in the backfield but then they they'd log it around the defensive end and take it. Why do the outside right. That's what I'm afraid of here. this is basically a derivative of the salad reverse play which is a common those of you former. triple option coaches our triple option players from high school. The salary versus is is something they'll do for teams that are or pursuing and that's really what this is It's a it's updated version of that so this is something you know not not a huge part of their offense offense but that would that would be something that I run against the bengals especially if we already had it in the playbook as a definitely something to watch out for this week against the cardinals as I said before we'll see some of the the college style run game. the zone read read in the zone reed is it's just deadly when he got an athlete like a Kyle Marie in there you know in especially given the athletes were matching up with is probably in the bengals best interest to have their defensive end rush up the field and play on that quarterback and really forced him to give it the vast majority of the time because hasn't they don't want their athletes trying to make plays on space. you know they ran a zone read with through the first quarter against the Carolina Panthers and you know the defense back in the back side actually responsible for Murray. Murray you know really was a bradberry beret. Will we all know A. That Guy Murray man he he made him look foolish because he's he's faster faster than you think. He is like you can tell that you could tell players command taking angle that normally works in that. It's like wow. We've gone so he's. He's a smooth operator. He's GONNA be able to get to the Enron stuff and put you in a bad situation. so keep the ball of his hands. Let them give the ball and then the other direction that they'll go with that so when beyond the zone read you know there's the zone triple and it's really it's just triple option. you know they they can bubble. It can motion a guy in like swain that could have two backs and backfield and do it you know. It's just creating a pitch man. who often you know often going to be a throw though for them to work off so also you know the second quarter against the panthers. They ran a play like that. they had a two by two formation was titled. Pretend in the left hand side those receivers were split out to the right and the back was beside Murray on on his right in the backfield and the you know the defensive event now. He's he step down. Murray pulls the ball and then out on the edge. There's there's two receivers as as disgust discussed are either two receivers out there Christian Kirk was the guy who is in the slot and then they Michael Crabtree's no longer with him but Mike crabtree was out on the edge so Michael Crabtree ran ran. The now are basically he. He took a step back and wait for the ball to come to him. Nice not bubble or anything a but it's the same it's the same philosophy here and there were two defenders out there so there's a there's an inver player over the over the slot pretty far up there but just inside the slot and then there's the the corner out there lined up on the west receiver so the slot. Kirk works out and goes goes up to the corner right listening at the block on the court that invert player he stepped forward he's playing Alien Murray and as soon as Murray's that he whips the ball out there and really cover ridiculous off platform throw for Murray to with that ball out there here but you know this is just this sort of thing he can do and crabtree is not the ideal guy for this Christie Kirk definitely isn't the ideal gotta be blacked out there for that so it doesn't really amount to much for them but if something the Bengals should definitely be aware of so despite the the name name of the offense being air raid and what the expectations there are a is really the run game is potentially going to be a big issue for the Bengals I didn't even mention Larry Fitzgerald but obviously they've got Larry Fitzgerald. you know so they'll they'll get the ball to him in the past game he is. He is still grinding away. I uh still one of the best league but they they they got to be thinking about this wrong. Game Two is the run game is Ben their their problem so far Kingsbury smart who realized that and he'll go to that in order to get his first win so just like last week. Somebody's got to win this game. you know so hopefully the bengals hopefully they can figure it out the cardinals defense and talk about maverick good but the bengals offense yes. We did talk about aggregate now. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA stop right there before a golfing another tangent about that but so somebody's got to win this week so definitely room for improvement the bengals need to do a lot hopefully a better outcome against another another winless opponent end rookie head coach with the cardinals I will be back next week and every every week just in time for your Friday mutiny on Thursday night Friday morning. We will have the podcast that you can you can download and listen if you do listen we throw in some interviews there as well so a little bit of extra bonus content for their and you know if you watch it on Youtube on facebook then you get the full extent the video and you get to see things for yourself and not just a through my velvety speech and description of of the play that's going on. It was weird. That's okay so once again. We'll see you next week. Thank you very much for listening and go bengals. I come home four hours without Yup. Come the crowd coming with our.

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Phase Three, engage

Golden Edge - Vegas Golden Knights Hockey

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Phase Three, engage

"What is a hockey fans? This is the golden edge podcast. The podcast for the Las Vegas Review Journal talks about real in the flesh hockey because the Golden Knights have begun training camp. I was there to witness and other line of someone else was there to witness it my colleague Dave, Shane Dave how you doing? Stoked. Her clack into. Sticks and skates like ripping through the ice. You know those old familiar sounds. It was great. It's just weird. delake. Wake up in have be a hundred and five degrees outside and go watch hockey. That's the only weird thing so far. Yeah, it was beautiful because I heard one media member who is allowed to be in the socially distanced viewing gallery with US complain that they didn't bring a sweater something, despite the fact that it was you know triple digits outside just because inside. It was a much different temperature, but it was nice to feel the chill of the ice again for me. Definitely and I'm excited to talk about all that we have learned and observed the first. First two weeks of Golden Knights Training Camp because it began on Monday. Where according this on Tuesday after practice, but I I want to remind everyone that the Golden Age podcast is presented by favor. Drink a favor dot com also please remember to check out all our written work on all. That is going on at nights training camp at review. Journal DOT COM Dave has a pretty cool feature coming out about a player that we're gonNA, talk a little bit about I'm sure it later on in this podcast that you're not gonna WanNa Miss, and of course I'll be providing other daily. Also. Please remember to rate review. Subscribe whatever you to podcasts. Due to this one it helps people find us and helps get the word out about what we're doing. So with that preamble out of the way. We touched on this a little bit. But what has it been like for you watching real live? Person Hockey outside of your home the past two days. I mean without making it too much about you know the pandemic and things like that I mean. I wasn't sure I was going to see it. I mean four months ago. You just you know at the time it felt like. Oh, it's going to be you know a couple of weeks. You know maybe two to three week. Pause and. Come back, and then as it went on, it became pretty clear there you know. This was a serious situation around the world. You know especially in North America. in sports were kind of secondary needed. No, it was GONNA come back. In so to Tacoma, see that they're you know as as we're recording this. What twelve days away I guess maybe from. Leaving Edmonton in. Playing an exhibition game in in having a game on the schedule, August third and everything like that I mean. Just. You know it's Kinda I. I don't know what the right word is I. Don't WanNa, say you, it's cool. But it's definitely I. Guess you know maybe something I didn't I didn't see happening for four months ago. Yeah. It's definitely weird because this is something that you know. I don't WanNa just crap in our day job, because I love our day jobs, but normally. This is kind of a part of the day that's. I was GONNA. Sit relatively tedious like it's not that exciting for me at this point because I've done it so much to go to city national arena and watch. These guys go through a bunch of hockey drills right I've watched it. You know however many hundreds of practices I've been to sue kind of become numb to it. Today was the first time in a long time where I really excited like breaking down to on one drills, and who was keeping tight gaps, and who is not, it was a very refreshing experience in a very I guess welcome break to kind of the tedium than anything. A lot of our lives have become in the past couple of months and I don't mean that as a brag, but I do think that's something interesting that sports can provide provided they do it safely, and with the utmost respect for all health and safety. Safety Protocols that go into making this as safe as possible for players, but I mean it was exciting just to have a little bit of live hockey back again as Dave mentioned, the nights are going to be practicing for just under two weeks here in Las Vegas for they leave for Edmonton on July Twenty Six foot twelve days from when they are. When we're recording this before that time, they're going to have to make to roster cuts because they have brought thirty three players into training camp right now. We watched thirty to. Skate today, basically everyone outside of Marc. Andre Fleury, who has been out the past two days for maintenance reasons Pete Damore has come out and said Hey, he didn't test positive for Kobe nineteen. He's in skating the last five months as part of kind of face to small group workouts in. Basically, we'RE NOT GONNA. Push Him. Other nights currently have eighteen forwards. Twelve Three goal is like I said one of them is Marc Andre Fleury? Who already mentioned so far more than the twelve sixty two? You need to address each night, but the team of course to have extras around as do all NHL teams because you never know when a player's GonNa test positive for multiple guys. Are GonNa test positive on your team, so it's good to have a other guys around, and let's be honest. The players have been pretty psyched to be around each other. It's been really interesting. Watching them interact with each other on the bench. Especially today you see guys just kind of changed it up with each other you know. Nick cousins described it as kind of a first day of school vibe yesterday, because it just feels like they're all catching up with their buddies. They can't wait to see everyone in. The mood is definitely been a excited for all of these players, and let's actually a quick here from the England yesterday talking about what this first day of camp was like. The best. Know we've been skating together for. All five weeks six weeks here and. To. Get Out there with everyone was nice. You know there's some guys that the. Timing and stuff like that. You haven't seen Roy off the team. so it's nice to get out there with everyone. Gets a more game light scituate situations in there and. See some familiar faces. Gangland talking about the first day of camp. It's worth noting as we've kind of touched on in previous podcasts that basically all the knights have already been back for weeks working out as part of phase two those mugger workouts, so players are really. In shape in rearing to go I. I was very impressed today, but the tempo of practicing how fast guys were going? How kind of full speed? It was even though some of the technical aspects like you know, the passes the stick handling. Maybe it wasn't quite where it was when these guys left off. coach to board did mention that the team was ahead of his expectations that way in terms of kind of condition they were in so that certainly seems to be a good sign for the nights. Dave mentioned. Some of kind of what I've noticed would've have been years takeaways watching practice the last two days I mean. Does this look like kind of a normal training camp practice to at this point or even just normal practices? Probably closer to. The mid season practice I mean I, you know. A few things jumped Dr, obviously I. was there Monday the first day in in? You weren't because of the limited capacity. Inside city national arena, but it was, it was just off walking in and watching a practice in silence. You know not having. Kids young girl nights go and seeing the as Pete said a while ago. You know sticking the flag-waving up at the top or you know just off. Fans there was. It was just very different. You know you hear the players so much more not that you couldn't be four, but you really hear that clock of the puck on the stick and you really hear the skates and you you hear the players. Current amok it up with each other, and and the chemistry sort of that. They have I mean every time. Somebody's fumbled the PUCK. You've heard everybody. You know just giving somebody a hard time and it it's it is. It's like nick cousins. Analogy of first day at school. You know when you haven't seen your buddies. You know because you don't live close to him. You live in a separate housing tracts in your parents. You know. Have you guys played AIDS? You don't play on the same baseball team or hockey whatever it is, it's that first day of school. It's like wow, what's up, buddy? You know it is kind of like that, so so in that regard it's. It's been cool to see, but. The other thing, too, that stood out is there is a definite vibrate narrow of like just get this to face for where where everybody is just Kinda. Like look, we need to be responsible. You Know William Carlson talk throughout it a little bit today like you know. We have been advised to stay off the Strip it's just you know everybody being grown up, everybody. Be a professional. You know stay. Out of harm's way, don't expose yourself to. Any potential corona virus you know. Openings I guess you could say whatever it might be in and get to face four safely that that seems to be kind of the overriding message. I think right now in in everybody's mind. They say a healthy gut, a healthy you favor apple cider vinegar shots bottle this feeling into the convenience of a two ounce shop, better digestion, stronger, immune system, and the lowering of blood sugar levels are just some of the benefits shooting daily favor shot their proprietary blends Iran, organic and mixed with other functional ingredients to create a better tasting experience, first time shooters and go to drink a favor dot com. Yeah that message is coming from a place of the nights. Don't want to screw with facie is a really good thing right now when we've heard it all over zoom calls the past couple of days that. Part of the reason guys stayed here and guys were psyched to even participate in those smaller workouts. Is this team seems a real confidence a real belief that they can do some damage? Even this modified postseason tournament. The NHL is going to be doing so. That's definitely a vibe. That I've gotten as well of guys being like. Hey, we think we can really do something special with this group, so we're all focused on kind of the end goal here and we're willing to put in the work. Hoping that it will result in a big payoff for us, and you know like I mentioned earlier. I think all of that small group workout. Participation was a reflection of that, and then even these early training camp practices kind of been a reflection of that, because because these guys are you know more in shape than they would have been if they just showed up. You know yesterday as their first day of training camp without having. Having skated in a while. They're already doing some pretty interesting assistant work. I think we saw them. You know work on kind of their breakout patterns today workout some rush patterns depending on how the breakout goes. They've scrimmaged both days of practice I mean Dave. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like they're getting a lot of stuff. Done right? Yeah, and pizza bar kind of mentioned that even you know praised their conditioning the. US Time to you, know, run Gaspar. You're not run, but you know SC, gasser or up downs, or whatever you've freeze you WANNA use with you know suicides or you know. Every coach has got a different name, but you know what I'm talking about. You know they don't have to do that. We haven't seen any anything like that. it? It has been a lot of system work, and we even saw them at the end of practice today. Break Off and do some some power. Play stuff where you know the the guys. They went to the other rinks. We didn't actually see it, but you know. Obviously. We don't see the access to, or we don't have access to the other teams in in what have you, but it's been a recurring seem going back to even like when Brayden mcnabb had. Had His media availability. You know what a week or two ago and we've talked about this on the podcast that it it. It feels like they might just be a little bit ahead in have a I guess to US coming mcclements for as a competitive advantage because they had so many people participating in face to where if you know certain points when we saw the? Cove nineteen testing numbers from the League and you saw what is basically half the league going through that protocol, but the nights had essentially. They're fourteen here from all reports so. you know I don't know if that. Translates in chemistry in. We'll see by, but that dad like like I said it's been a recurring theme that they feel like. You know that they're. They're a step ahead right now maybe. No definitely, that's certainly the vibe that they're giving off Let's talk a little bit about you know you mentioned all of the guys that have been here, not just kind of the core group of players. Because that's what was finishing to is that you know it's not just the guys that have normally been part of the nights that stuck around, and of course have been participating. Even the expanded roster. All of them were on the ice day one except for peyton crabs. WHO's The nights probably top prospect? He's a center WHO's coming from juniors? And then he joined the team today. but looking at the thirty three Guy Training Camp Roster, day. Is there anyone that really stuck out to you when you? Thought like maybe crabs that you're? Getting kind of eager to take a look at. I mean crevices on. That obviously jumped out right away. Just because of his age because you know, he didn't even have a training camp. Let alone you know making NHL debut or anything like that. At least some of these guys have been you know Pizza Bar Kinda talked about they've seen gauge, quinny they. Feel Patrick Brown. He's got a trust level with them Crabs. Obviously nobody you know. It's a chance for for Pete devoted to get a look at them by this is also Stanley Cup playoffs in it. It's not necessarily about player development, according to kill him, a Kremlin, so it's speaks to I. Guess how highly the team thinks of them at this point in his development. But maybe what jumped out to me? Moore's like the guys that weren't like. We didn't see Brandon puree on that list. We didn't see you know Valentine's Zeke cough. Guys who have. Played NHL Games in. Potentially if you needed to get into, you know an emergency injury, situation and plug guys atop six. You know if you're running short of DABS or something like that. Those are guys that. Maybe could do it. Have potentially done in the past. At least. One time twenty goal score into not see them. On the Roster Christine more of guys that would. Probably be classified as kind of bottom six grinder type. Guys call us are are gauge. Quinny Patrick Brown. Redo Ke-. You know that that was the most surprising thing for me either. I don't think I was in the I was surprised by by anything on the defense. As long as they were taking that number, it seemed like those are the next guy. Kind of in line, you know going down to Dylan cognition and into Jimmy Scholz has. Yet to go back to Krebs really quick, I mean I. Think what you said is really interesting. In that Kelly mckerman was pretty emphatic like hey, we didn't bring up this kid. Who for those of you? That was their first round draft pick. This past summer so twenty nineteen. We didn't just call them up because it's a good story because we want a good pr, we're bringing guys into this camp. Who We think can help us compete for the Stanley. Cup, so that's pretty high. Praise for Peyton crabs given the fact that he's been in the organization I. Guess, it's coming up on a year if not, you know just right around a year from when he was drafted, but if you listen to. To how people talk about him, you know both Pizza Board today, and then you know I've talked to his juniors general manager in the past I've talked to. We'll nickel the nets director of player development. Everyone just raves about not just what a player he is, but how mature of a person he is, and so in that respect I think it's really interesting that they kind of thought he could handle all. It's going to go into being in Las Vegas. Vegas for the first time in basically not being allowed to go out or I guess he's technically allowed to go out, but obviously having kind of the maturity in poised to know that might not be in his best interest. It probably helps that he's staying with Mark Stone again. He stayed with stone in the fall when he was here in Las Vegas rehabbing an injury, he suffered before the draft, and now that his two week quarantine is up. He's staying. Staying with stone his fiancee again, so I'm sure that will help. Keep him in line, but I thought it was a tremendous vote of confidence by the nights to bring him in. And then you mentioned a guy especially at the end there that I kinda to touch on and kind of shift, two guys that were in either excited or intrigued to get more of a look at because Dylan Caughlin is one guy that kind of jumped out to me of. Pete Board, we saw it kind of again today when he was running through some drills, really wants to get his defense. Men Involved in the attack involved in the rush and use them to create more offense than we're used to seeing from the Golden Knights defenseman when they were being coached under a Dr Glenn Anything, Cog a guy that could really do a lot of those things. deboer is looking for, and it was interesting, even saw Kinda give coggin a fist-bump today as in like a good job on one of those drills so. He's a guy. I'm really. Interested to see how we kind of adapts to the new systems, the nights are running on weather, and whether bat helps them kind of. move up the pecking order as it were a little bit because he still made his NHL debut, obviously, that probably won't be a big factor, or at least I hope it won't be a big factor in actual return to play stuff in Chase Stanley Cup, but it could certainly be something to watch in the future. Yeah, absolutely in I mean the other guy. In maybe for? Somewhat opposite reasons I guess that I kind of don't want to see a little bit more of his. Jimmy Schuldt in part of part of that. Is You know Jimmy shoulder a restricted free agent? He's going into. Some contract stuff and spent the entire year at the age. He was a guy that when they signed him. As a is a free agent coming out of college coming out of Saint Cloud state had a lot of. Hype behind him was a Hobey Baker finalist in and all those sorts of things was a guy that maybe you know you thought early on could project into ally early in in. It seems like he's yet to make. Headway within the organization kind of moving up that depth chart me. This is a chance for for him obviously to to get in front of deboer in. That coaching staff again and show what he can do. Show you know after a year of playing pro hockey how he's adapted improved in all those sorts of things. I don't know if he's going to be a guy that carry you know to Edmonton. Maybe he's fighting for a spot with Dylan cognition. Maybe, there's only one know room for for three of those defense, one of the four that brought up with with Haig Bischoff cognition. and. In Shoal, so we'll see I mean you know. Obviously, we don't know how that. That roster's going to shake out in that sense, but maybe that's what this is for those two guys. Maybe this is a little bit of a training camp battle, and the St who kind of. Jump ahead in the in the pecking. Order a little bit going into into next season. Yeah, definitely and I. Think it's interesting, especially from the standpoint that as we talked with deboer about Krebs today. I mean he just hasn't gotten his eyes on these. In, person a lot, I mean I'm sure he certainly had time to kind of breakdown. Some tape of all these players while he was kind of stuck in quarantine the past couple of months, but the fact that he now gets to see Peyton. Crabs in person see Dylan Coggan in person I'm sure it's going to be really beneficial to him and then really beneficial to the organization, because he can kind of provide his thoughts on where guys stand in kind of his personal pecking order. As Dave mentioned. They're carrying once again twelve defensemen and eighteen forwards there to. The Rostrum, they're allowed to bring to Edmonton so it would certainly make sense. They ended up just cutting one defenseman in one forward. They do have three goalies in camp. Flurry Robin liner and Oscar dance, but I don't think either of US believe that they're going to obviously cut any one of those guys. Even scarier Dansk should say. Makes Sense to bring. Sue Edmonton just from an emergency perspective of having that third goalie around. On from some of the guys that are kind of fighting four roster spots to go to Edmonton. Let's talk about the guys that are kind of locks for Edmonton, but are kind of shuffling for position a little bit. A pizza bore kind of unsurprisingly, kept his top six and defensemen the same before the pause. At least you know his top six the same as when he had when everyone was healthy. But that bottom six like I said underwent some changes. Which I think are really interesting, the third line which has played a whopping zero minutes together I. Know Because I looked this up was Chandler Stephen. Senate left-wing Nicholas Watt Center Alex Tuck at right wing, though they did seem to be playing around with who lined up where a little bit today from what I observed. Then the fourth line was William Carry left-wing nick cousins at Center, and then Ryan reads at right wing. That trio has played a whopping seven minutes together, basically, which is essentially going to be like h shifts, but hey, they have a ninety one point three nine expect goals percentage in those seven minutes a per what I looked up. They've scored about point. Four expected goals in allowed like nothing, so that's pretty good but the Dave when you I looked at those kinds of combinations what came to mind? Not laughing at just the domination by the carry cousins reused shrill, but I you know like you tinker with stuff in the summer like whoa projected lineup and whatever I kinda figured if it was all things being equal that chuck would be right wing with Stevenson, staggering the third line and cousins on. A left wing, then I figured Wa would be centering carrier and reeves clearly. I don't know what the heck I'm talking about. 'cause that was a big with. But, I think you know. Maybe there's a couple of things that you can kind of read into it. Worn I think is what divorce thinks Nicholas Wa at this point and clear and going back to like when mark. Stone was hurt in him getting time at right wing on the second line. And now being bump up. You know to to a third line center role when you've got a guy like Chandler Stevenson in in. We'll see like you said you know. Look like Stevenson was maybe working in center a little bit more today. By. Our I think thirdly speaks to. Where Peterborough feels Nicholas was best and maybe feels like he's got a little more offense potential there. Like I projected or or some guys like that that he's not just like a fourth line center guy that he can do more things here and then the everything you know, maybe going down to the fourth line center is I. Don't think it bodes real welfare till Mush, no sick, who's going to be an unrestricted free agent and you know at least for right now. Would start out as a healthy scratch that if it works out that way, but the other thing too is look this up a little bit ago on I. Don't remember the numbers off top my head, but as a Steiner in during his. Career Nick, cussons actually has a history of a whole lot of hits, and he is a guy who can play physical in fit in that way with Ryan Reeves and with William Carey and the one thing that I learned in the handful of games that nick cousins played in your back to like his junior junior career is that he's a sneaky good playmaker I. Think he had like seventy something assist one year juniors. Which I mean you know, take that for for what it is, but I think it maybe speaks to his vision on the ice in how he sees plays developing when the puck is on is on his stick what he's able to do with it in in certain situations, and maybe that that bodes well for a guy like Ryan reason away and carry to have a guy, you can drive the offense a little bit. Maybe set them up and and do some things we'll see how it works out. but I did I do think it's an interesting sort of combination. I guess that that pizza bore win with after four months knowing that everybody's healthy. No, it's definitely something that surprised me, too. Because it wasn't exactly what I was expecting out of the gate when I played with their line combinations in my own head, but when you actually look at what a poor put together I think, it does make a lot of sense to start out with you know those combinations especially, if they have the belief in Nicholas Wa that it clearly seems like they have and I mean you're talking to people throughout the organization, they rave about not just how Wa has developed kind of on the ice, but how? Crazy crazy good, his work habits are I. Know a wolves coach. Rocky Thompson I guess now is technically going to be the Silver Knights coach. Thompson has talked to me before about how they would get off the plane to whatever age I'll city. They're playing in that night and Nicholas Law would head right to the weight room to get a workout in and typically Zach white cloud would. would be there with them, too, but I think it just goes to show that. Nicholas had a lot of fans in this organization. Peter Bore certainly seems to be a fan especially after washing them kind of blossom when he was filling in for Mark Stone before the PAS, and we'll see what he ends up doing with this kind a big opportunity that seems like he's being given. What other roster guess type of storylines. Are Standing out to you right now, Dave, I mean obviously we've got. The goaltender battle going on or play quote him. Much more rarely. Inserts. To play and it's. As, insurance. The lines are. Games there's a little bit. I don't really. In that rewarm monitor own nearly somebody like Nick Hague in in Kinky. Can he cracks? A lineup at some point maybe earned some playing time. in maybe and this is kind of those. where I'm sort of looking at things, and maybe this is sort of the transition is is how they approached that exhibition game in those round Robin Games and. It how I guess quote unquote serious. They take You know I, know there was a an interview that needs. Schmidt did with tsn Andy kind of mentioned like. Look if Colin Parade goes winding up for a slapshot in the round, robin like am I gonNA. Dive in front of that am I really. GonNa put it on the line knowing you're trying to peek for the actual I guess playoffs in in the first round and all that so so I think there's a balance and and. And what have you that? They have to strike here for the next couple of weeks of. How do you peak? How do you get ready, but? You know. I guess not a red line in terms of like injuries, their own an potentially strains in strains polls in all sorts of nagging things, and kind of how do you? How are you? GonNa Handle August and early on how we're GONNA. Handle those those three games in. Is it really all that imperative to jump up the seating? Or? Is that something that they really really really feel that? They're going to have to fight for on you know it. It's just the whole thing's going to be. Interesting as a as a whole as a as an entity. Just you know what it's like an Amoeba without fans. You know how teams are going to be able to get up is going to affect them is Edmonton going have any kind of advantage playing their own building are the night's GonNa be able to you. Know Drawn March nine thin and winning a game there and going back to the the place that they played the last game. Of the regular season. Is GonNa Bring Back? Good Memories. Just you know there's all sorts of little things like that. It's different than A. Normal training camp because you're going into a postseason, so it's it's Kinda hard to dissect like the next two weeks and say what are you really looking at, or or would you wanNA see because i? Think we've already seen it. It's just a matter of. Like I mentioned earlier. Can they get to? You know that point? Can we get to phase for healthy? Can everybody in the NHL just get to those hub cities in? Pull this off really? Yes, so many questions left to be on answered for both the Golden Ninth and the NHL A. Quick before we kind of wrap this up whole quick here from pizza mortgages on what his dog or going into training him and how he wants himself and his team to Prajit. Our message to the group today was. I really like we were playing, going into the pause I thought You know our systems were in a good place. We're starting to play seamlessly. we were we were able to plug guys in and out of the lineup and not not lose a step. So. How do we get back to that again and you know for me like any camp? It's about starting with your foundation again and getting to that point hopefully. It comes a little bit easier because you know we were there. Three or four months ago when we paused, and they know what that feels like so That's the goal. So. That was golden coach Pizza, or on one of many zooms that he will be doing with us and the rest of the local media throughout the rest of training camp. 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Where in the World is RHOPs Katie Rost? (with Madison LeCroy)

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51:28 min | 2 years ago

Where in the World is RHOPs Katie Rost? (with Madison LeCroy)

"<music> hi i'm megan sarah and i'm eric j maxx and this is the daily dish bravo's official podcast meghan. You wanted to start today with a quote actually i didn't you said so i will 'cause it was funny and i saw it on instagram hot. Girl summer is almost over which means fat bitch fall is coming up. It's our time to shine. I am ready it. That's from the real rambling ma aw somehow ended up on my stories. I'm into it. It sounds right. Fat bitch fall like that just rolls off the tongue that pitfall. I'm ready. I also wanted to give a shout out out to the listener that came up to me a couple of weeks ago in the street and said are you eric j mac i listen to your podcast and i didn't catch her name but she works at h._b._o. And she was very sweet and she compared me to countess lan. Oh my god we why because she said like. I was just talking to my friend about what i would do. If i ran into a bravo liberty countess luanne was it's like oh my god. She called you a bravo leopardi's. Yeah holy shit. I know so thank you. I didn't catch your name but thank you for listening. I keep shouting in the streets of new york like i'm megan. Sikora hosted podcast but no one looks. No one listens listened to many people screaming crazy thing right true. You just gotta wait so i'm i'm <music>. I'm living vicariously through your experience. Go it'll happen for you. What are we talking about today. Okay we have have the real housewives of potomac southern charm reunion part two kinda sad because this is officially it last recap of southern charm for awhile and then the the real housewives of orange county chew chew also an amazing interview with madison lacroix from southern charm which i am so jealous ls that you've got to sit down with her because i was also going to interview her with you. We were both like we need to do this together. We're obsessed with her and i had a meeting so i had to go. You had to sacrifice the interview of the season truly so i can't wait to hear that i haven't heard anything from its okay well. Let's talk southern charm then so it starts off pretty much still talking about katherine sobriety what's going on here. Yes what i found really sad. Actually kind of separate from her sobriety is it's one of the first times or maybe not one of the first times but she mentions that her mom is sick doc right and as we just found out a couple of weeks ago her mom passed away right so it's just so crazy when you know you're watching something that happened so long ago and just to think that she who is going through that and i think she kind of credits that experience to maybe why she was a little jittery. I'll watch what happens live by her nerves. Were kind of up so it. A little bit adds up up. I think <hes> i asked madison to because like if she's the person that was at watch robin's live with catherine. She should know definitively if catherine was drinking true all right listen for her answer but i would say that in general madison was super supportive of catherine however i know that she had not yet watched the reunion and she wasn't out there for when catherine was basically throwing their friendship under the bus yeah i lock carol with tinsley during last season's real housewives of new york reunion right that's true so that is what i'm a little confused about is what is the relationship between catherine and madison because it sounds like everyone's trying to say their friends and catherine is sort of backtracking on that a little bit and she's like well. She just like our kids played together. I don't really understand where they stand. I think that their friends and that other people are like that's fucked up catherine because like if you're danny's he's best friend and then that makes turn his position of being like oh. I don't like that much yeah yeah exactly i want them to be friends just because there's so much fabulous nece and and maybe they can be now because at the very end of the reunion we see madison and danny hugging hugging makeup really when the guys get together it turns into a nightmare every single miscommunication may have had because of the guys right so madison shows up to the reunion in white as we sort of talked about last week she gets placement right next to andy inches huge yeah and then just looking at what unfolded this the this season i i didn't expect it to be danny maddison like this was like a big feud during this season right and it really showed i think thank danny kind of stepping up in a lot of ways but also i still feel so bad for her for danny or madison danny yes me too. It's just like she. You just kind of had no part in getting involved in the drama. It was everyone else bringing her into it and she's just kind of sitting there like what the hell right supposed to do. I do think it's interesting because you know all season. I've been like why is danny apologizing for the whole diem situation and telling crag like she did nothing wrong yeah. I think she's been getting that feedback from other fans because at the reunion she was like that to you madison. That has nothing to do with me like you should have been the one message you my boyfriend. I was like breath. I started nothing. You're east. I'm sorry she currency. No you are yeah. It was a little bit of deflection. I think being like well you started. This and it's like well. No if you hadn't hadn't sent that message and so i wanna break that down a little bit too because the way madison defended it was sort of like she was on and off period with austin. We've we choose a hairdresser. When you have a customer there and you're chitchat and talking about your life. Maybe it came up that she was broken up from her guy. There'd been some drama and and you know how people will take it upon themselves to be like. Let me hook you up with my friend god. He's so cute. I mean this happens all the time within the gay community. Whenever you're like i'm i'm gay. Someone's like oh my god and they try to hook you up with the one gay person that they now so. I can understand a little bit of what madison was saying. They're in that maybe be somebody was sort of like oh. I know this guy. I'm gonna message him for you and madison was probably like all right. Whatever whether it was right or wrong. It's a fine line but i think i understand where where she was coming from with that rain. It's just bad timing. Are gentry and danny still together today. Oh i don't know that kind of never got cleared up or clarified. We don't see anything from danny's personal life like we'll hear things buono really see them. All i know is is that if there is a next season madison better be full time cast member one hundred percent because by the way i wanted her in both parts of the reunion. I think there was plenty to unpack. They're just wanted her out there for the whole time you right you know who kind of spent a lot of time on that stage just straight up crying elisa. I mean she was only there for five minutes and three of them were spent crying. Hi and to your point which you've been saying kind of all season is step it up. Stop taking naps be a part of it. It's almost like the advice that we saw bethany give barbara on rony last get into the game and that was almost breaking the fourth wall in that she was sort of like you need to participate a little bit more four. I think someone should have told elisa that <hes> and to not wear p._j.'s on camera right one of the other things. I loved about this reunion. A union was andy really going in on shop. Oh schooling shout it was amazing like this whole brooke astor first thing and just shopping oh yeah so and so and he's like no sweetie right this brooke astor as shabbily oh her mary is calling someone like sh- manners no eleanor roosevelt. If you don't have anything nice to say come sit next to me did the society is not a bastion of everyone being nice nice to each other. We'll eleanor roosevelt was first lady. She wasn't brooke astor. Who's that's the the manners girl yeah no brooke astor was the queen of new york society off as if all the things he says ours are important. You know what i mean like all these little like exactly references. He makes to like show how many books literature literature okay whatever he calls shop straight up to. I mean i think he brings it up. A few times the the hypocrisy where ships behavior may come across as trashy but that's his whole argument against madison. He says that about catherine so andy kind of doesn't let them get away with that. You know chef is like well. I was raised with manners and he's like well. Actually i'm of your behavior doesn't seem to reflect so. Don't you understand dan how that makes. You look and i don't know if it really got through to show but i do appreciate andy taking that time to school him. I also appreciated how catherine thren just in a very real raw moment like sort of her voice quivering when she said it's kind of harsh to call someone trash asja absolutely for her and just seeing how far she's come and especially knowing what everyone has said about her over the years what patricia has said about out her over the years and how now the two of them are close and catherine's really come out the other side in a much different light that really hits home for her. Yeah okay well. We can't not talk about austin in the trailer. I almost forgot about because it doesn't get brought up again on stage. It's just the producers editors giving us a little bit of like a look. It was like him saying oh. When i get out there i'm going to say this and then he's there in the moment face-to-face shop and danny and then he well frankly wrinkly cowers little yeah system set your face langer and you. I'm like dude like i'm not the girl and i'm sorry to say like i'm not i didn't make it up. They make it clear like i think it would have been a good opportunity for maybe shop to step up and say i made that up or i said that to austin or like take ownership of that. I think it's a tough position unless unless he truly made it up because that's easy to say right yeah it is not easy to be like yeah i told austin that because now you're further throwing danny under the bus or confirming something that you may or may not be true or whatever yeah it was a tough position. I think for everybody but it to your point. It was funny just to watch austin be like yeah. I'm going to say that you know everyone's all talk when they're you know eight o'clock in the morning getting ready in their trailer and then after filming for a few hours. It's sort of like everyone's looking at me and i think it's hard to sit across from someone who's so sweet and innocent and all this danny and call her out lake. That would be a very hard thing to do yeah at that point. There really is no winning in that situation so misconstrued. How do you misconstrue media yeah no. There's really no way to do it. I did appreciate to the throw to dr jackie's article. I know which is bravo t._v. Dot com and it was in response to through the accusation. Basically letting everyone know that it's not so uncommon. It's very easily easily. Treatable thing is not only not uncommon. Common is the most common sti exactly so. I appreciate it and lia calling that out and also i mean look. It's it's complicated. Kate like the whole thing is. There's a stigma around. It shouldn't be a stigma around but because there's a stigma around it people don't want to be associated with it hard but listen. If you guys claudia we're here and there goes southern charm for another season that hurt health that okay so we have an interview with madison lacroix from southern charm. I got her to talk about her friendship with katherine. How how deep is it the current status of her relationship with austin and what it's like to be patricia goto hairstylist. Here's that interview madison luke roy. Yes welcome to the podcast thank you. I have been waiting all season to interview really oh yeah my co. Oh host eric and i have been obsessed and the the phrase we often say to each other over and over and over you sure about that yeah that's uh-huh everything would live. Are you sure about that. Did you have any idea you were gonna make such a splash this season not at all. I had no idea idea yeah yeah. I want to jump into the reunion fresh on my mind okay. Let's go for it. How much were you a witness to what was happening. Before you came out on stage none okay and i was in my trailer for like five five or six hours like waiting nervous yes. I was really nervous but i was tired. I was like man. I just like worked worked myself up by the time i got out there. I was very chill not feeling anymore. Yeah well well. One of the things that came up was your relationship with catherine and i'm so curious for you to describe what what your friendship with catherine is like days yeah <hes> well originally we just met through kind of the show i mean i've donor here and makeup before and we would always talk about mom things and you know how hard it is to be a single mom and <hes> have to split the custody with your kids and that whole thing so we really related on being both young single mothers and all that i mean just kinda on and brought us to where we are now right so now <hes> we get the kids together we do plates and we laugh and have fun and kinsey hudson just <hes> they love each other like it's kind of cute yeah yeah you can tell danny at the reunion kind of said. It made her uncomfortable uncomfortable. How close you two are absolutely. Do you feel that now <hes> you know after the union <hes> we all end up kind going out for drinks and stuff and i've known dana for a while. I was a little taken back the fact that she said <hes> you know disgusting person we even before this because i never thought she ever felt that way or it was just always a mutual friend. I guess you would say say acquaintance. Yes so to hear her say that. I was like well okay. <hes> catherine's allowed to have more than one friend <hes>. We're adults here. Her and i'm sorry you know for everything i mean for the hundredth time you know yeah yeah get over it and i like we are moving on so the drinks after the reunion. Did everyone go <hes> not everyone <hes> naomi and <hes> <hes> chelsea and cameron stayed back <hes> in part one of the reunion catherine sobriety becomes sort of a topic that comes up and in particular that night at watch what happens live. Everyone's commenting that her behavior was off. You were there with her at watch. What happens live assume hanging out backstage page right but i will say this. I have my own on <hes> with the tweet and patricia and <hes> what kind of getting thrown in literally five minutes before patricia went out there like we're gonna mike you like okay and then the tweet and you know often deny at that point were in a actually really good place so i was kind of <hes> take him back with with that response so i was emotional ocean all crying like a little bitch and you know catherine's of year like got her real going on and i'm over here like like he made me like a fool hand and yeah. I didn't see her and their drinking. I was drinking champagne so okay i in her rim. Yeah <hes> so you wore this beautiful white outfit to the reunion. Was there any meaning behind the color color choice. No i so when patricia and i went to hamden clothing <hes> on king street is like the only high end store. We have <hes> the first thing i said was. I don't will one. She always told me don't wear white. He makes you look fat on camera. I was like oh hell. Oh yeah it did because the coffee you and i felt like i looked a little thicker so <hes> i took advice with that so when they started pulling out a lot of white house didn't actually wear why so then i was like no but we zipped it up then it was like that's it. I'm fizz. I'm wariness okay so it. It was a good choice. Yeah no meaning. I wanted to be very conservative. <hes> not like today where the girls are trying to be <hes> ladylike yeah. Is there anyone in your own life that is sort of come out of the woodwork or had comments about your season on southern southern charm. Come out of the woodworks well. I don't know even if all of them come out of it. I mean you're like <hes> i haven't met you sense like high school or seen you actually my third grade teacher reached out to me and she's like you are still the same little girl that you were. You're in third grade and i was like okay cool like good good to know staying the same yeah so and twenty yeah. I'm picturing your third grade self being linked y or do you gave her committeea exactly me too really really though okay also have to ask. What is your current relationship status with austin <hes> man. You know it changes like i change my underwear every day. We were somewhere else like we talk <hes>. We've gotten better about not talking every single day like we're almost like trying to cut each other off. I haven't talked to him in like twenty four hours within the last night of course you know he texts me and because i was here him and craig i guess went on their adventure there in new orleans and living it up he on the podcast described you as a drug your he said you're his personal drug of choice. Do you feel like yes like that's what it is like. They're yes. There's some they that just pulls. You guys back together. You know what it's like the twin flame. Have you heard of that. It's like the anti christ of your love like. You're not supposed to be with that person but you can't like help be with them great. I mean it's so hard and in my defense like i i know how i feel about him and he knows how i feel about him. <hes> a lot of these people that were surrounding with have not been around us to see our relationship relationship so i feel that i don't have to defend my relationship to any of them because it's like you never even been around when you hear these bits and pieces there <hes> i mean there's always three sides every story strew so like it's just very yeah yeah. I'm just not going to do it but it is a drug for sure yeah since d._m._z. was such a topic season then have you had to be very careful about who you're interacting with. Who sliding into your d._m.'s. Oh my god i got one another. How will your granddad and i was like i <unk> is damn. That's weird. You wanna be my granddad and give me a vice like a grandfather. I don't know it was. I send it to patricia because she was with me. When the guy came and took a photo of less but like is this i mean i might prefer dick pic dick than the granddad situation so that's what i'm working with great. How did you become patricia go-to for hair. Ear and friends really well patricia. I have always had this like relationship where i have always one hundred percent. Keep hip it real with her like i feel like everyone agrees with her all the time and i'm like her one friend. That's like a a no. I don't but i think in a way she appreciates that because it's just like you know i'm going to be her on his friend and let me tell you this does she is with me as well and take everything she says what's been. Maybe like the most honest feedback she's given you. Don't hold that just go for it. You know yeah and i was like. Do you know you're talking to you. Don't hold back oh man. Yes says that's her. That's her advice watching the show back <hes>. What did you walk away with. You feel like you you. You did everything you've said everything you wanted to say. Do you feel i came across the way you wanted it to. <hes> you know watching the season. I definitely didn't realize that ship was talking about me as much as he was so that was very interesting and a lot of people i was like wow like this. They're really into this relationship so i only see the episode episode the day before you guys so i'm left in the dark on. Am i the villain. Am i the hero. What am i doing doing but i mean i think i i stay true to myself. I'm not saying everything as it was appropriate <hes> and sometimes it never is but i think i snapped back in reality. <hes> did what i could have my own closure and made nature that the people that i did hurt or you know knew the our sincere in sorry it just it was a nasty situation and so if we're looking at all of the fan feedback you've gotten this season. Are you more so the euro or the villain well <hes> <hes> i do have like a privacy setting on my instagram so there's like words that people will right and it automatically just a races so i don't see it and i do not try to look into what other people read that smart. You know an at all like my girlfriend's will all and unlike dude who cares like what country kathy is saying over there about me like it doesn't bother me. Really i think tuscan it's being on a show. I've realized it's like your insecurities when you're in high school just magnified to the whole world so think of like high school drama. That's yeah so if there's a next season and you come back. Do you think cameron chelsea. Naomi will be welcoming to you you a well. I don't think so as we left that it was very weird because chelsea me and i i mean i thought like i've done interviews before where i'm like. She's at we're like really friends. You know <hes> so. I was is a little taken back by the fact that she said that i was crazy. I was like yeah. I know i'm crazy. I but i mean like we watching the same cooking show here <music>. I'm like has that incident made you paranoid about people recording on their cell phones <hes> no okay. I much like i'm like whatever i'm doing. I'm yeah here. We are ready to do it. I don't i'm not trying to hide anything fair there. I mean that's when you get trouble. True that everyone on southern charm is is there. Anyone that you feel like isn't being their authentic self. Stay tuned <hes> yeah. I'm gonna leave even at that okay girl or a boy. Maybe it's all okay. Maybe it's more than one knows. You must get a lot of <hes> comments about who you look like while mainly. Who do you hear jessica simpson yeah. I'm going to try to stay dukes of hazzard time. You know what i mean. I'm looking into my future here like i think i'm gonna try to go. The country just goes right by the way your body is amazing. Thank you how what do you do <hes> well well. What do i do. I i work out twice a day. Sometimes yeah i mean you know go through these phases <hes> <hes> i do a juice cleanse about once a month okay for about three sometimes five days. Oh my god he must be a monster <hes>. I'm a big blake todorovic but then i'm like all right. I'll i'll a good so <hes> yeah. I do f- forty five i do orange theory jerry. I work out with a trainer and idea juice cleanse from blend all the time nice. Those are my my things so so lastly. I just wanna know. Are you glad you came on the show. <hes> you know it's opened <hes> a lot of opportunities for me so far. Oh i liked liked my life before a t._v. Show so i remember the first episode and that's kind of win awesome. I like we we can't do this. I thought what the hell have i done. Here is my summer so that was an my son doesn't even know i'm on a show yeah. He'd be like wait. How are you you're sitting here. I don't understand but i just yeah. I don't know i tried to. I wanna be humble. You know. Stay true to myself and not let this you you know. Take what i can but not let it get to me. I guess i'll talk to you next year and we'll say oh god thank you so much for coming on. This is awesome. I like this real housewives of orange county to me what's going on. It's just like i wish you guys could eric's hand motion. It's just like he's excuse clasping his his my digits. Here's the thing about osi surely analyzing what's going going on here. I do feel as though it opens up with them. Discussing the accusation that came out of jenner that commend you. Tamra was the one to bring up. Not vicky vicky said i know more than kelly wants me to know camera. When full on do you mean the train exactly and then you could see what now kelly knows that i know i've said trae tonight about the camera so they leave dinner and they all make a pact to not talk about it that being said there mentioning running in interviews. They're still miked when they're in the car being like we're not going to bring this out of this car. We're not gonna talk about this anymore. Well you gotta know it's gonna come out at at some point. It felt to me though genuine from shannon to be like tamra lake water you do. What are you doing right now. Yeah like it was like shannon was saying i see you and the fact that you would just say that on camera is not okay right and then the fact that tamra doesn't really own it at all and even later on in the episode in an interview is basically like this isn't my fault. It's a little bit your fault. I also love that we get tamra camera giving us the definition of running a train on someone as as if maybe you and i didn't need clarification but it looks like lina train is when pulling the train is when somebody has sex with multiple people so it's like bam bam bam but then okay we've been talking about this. A lot in the last few months is the opposite of sex positive sex negative because i just feel like there's been a a lot of moments that are like you know. It's pretty jiji lake for shannon to say the idea of a woman having <unk> sex with multiple men in front of others is disgusting like hit. I feel as though there's no need for that kind of judgment right in terms of what people are doing behind closed doors and i know what you're saying because we had talked about it a couple of weeks ago. When austin from southern charm was called a sexual deviant being in because he wanted to do but stuff with madison and it was sort of like oh. I know what he's up to and it's like well. That's not that crazy i mean to the point of i think kelly brings it up like i've never even had a threesome. Never mind this or whatever. I think kelly would be a little bit more honest running. If it had really happened and for her say i've never even had a threesome which at this point like it's two thousand nineteen so i think kelly would have been a little bit more honest whether if she did actually have sex with six guys maybe she wouldn't necessarily go on tv and say that just knowing what jolie has already been through the other accusation now look. I agree that if it were true it is her secret to tell. That's the whole thing like that. Vicki thinks that she knows something on her and would reveal it and is holding it until the right moment right. Use it against kelly in a sense yeah. Do you agree with bronwin immediately calling kelly after that car ride and just letting her know absolutely louis. Here's why because it's like this this component. We don't talk about which is hey. I just filmed something and i think i think it might come. It might be on the show like there's that part of it that you have to realistically consider right so bronwyn was in the right was is gina in the right to go and tell then emily because that comes up later on once they get to beverly hills. Emily's like hey. I heard you guys were talking about something. Then kelly's like what the hell i would say. It's not right but i i'm. I don't keep secrets very well. Either one also for gina. It's a a little bit. Maybe trying to show emily who vicki is or what vicki's trying to do because emily had been with vicky andrei shopping shopping before that dinner yeah and it seemed like vicky was saying oh i wanna make up with kelly. I want everyone to get along female empowerment yada yada yada and then two hours hours later is bringing up what she may or may not know about kelly dod so maybe it was genus way of kind of showcasing vicki's hypocrisy to emily. Emily doesn't maybe reveal something to vicky that could come back and bite her in the later on also say. I think it's weird lingerie shopping as like a group actively. I feel like that wouldn't be what you would think. I would want to go lingerie shopping the friend and be like hey think yeah yeah. I can enjoy shopping. I'm so surprised by this revelation. One thing i feel as though this episode episode was missing was a crossover opportunity with beverly hills. I know so not only were they shopping in beverley hills because apparently gina gina has spent a lot of time in l._a. Wanted to sort of reclaim it as her own sort of fun adventure but emily is rehearsing for this performance. She wants just to give shane and it's this whole kind of sexy number and unlike call up erica jane through and help you. She did the same thing for when she wanted to do that performance for p._k. Missed opportunity yeah and then they end up in the neighborhood of beverly hills and they don't even want to like give kyle a call to come shop with them or something speaking of emily. Oh <hes> shane is staying in a hotel while he's studying okay. I guess i didn't think that part was so weird only because they do have all the kids and i can see that like when you're at home. You have to be in dad mode. That isn't crazy to me. Would i thought you were going with emily molly on twitter blasting shannon. Can we talk about how she slammed you on social media yeah that's right i want to know. She said you'd think he'd lost forty. Pounds of fat. You've gained gained forty pounds at jealous hashtag. Frozen fish is riveting raw well. That was a little bit strange because she did not say anything about at once. They got to beverly hills. It is true that like headlines you know will sometimes skew with the interview was <hes> yeah we've seen emily go through a lot of these sort of body image issues right now she's on this whole fitness and she's lost a ton of weight over the last couple of months and she's she's posting on instagram so it is interesting that she would choose to attack shannon's weight loss and try to maybe use that against her in a sense <hes> and and to shannon's point. She's like well. These are my two biggest accomplishments since my divorce so why would you go in and choose these also big props to shannon for not like doing what they all accuse kellyanne vicky of doing which is going right back in with a low blow like she just chose to ignore it social media yeah. That's true no one. I think we also see emily really rough place and then she kind of has that anxiety attack while they're out shopping. I think she's just under a lot of pressure. She's sort of dealing with so much. There's not like one thing in particular that she knows how to really address and take care of so. I think she's just really feeling overwhelmed. I mean it's tough at what she's he's coming through. What gina's going through. I mean it's understandable that the two of them are as close as they are because they think they are going through something not similar but they understanding kind of can commiserate with each other. They're both in rough spots right now so real house potomac were in the cayman island right robin has made it down successfully yup. Oh yeah we return back to like the ashley versus katie situation. Yes exactly what's wrong with katie like she don't even under like the symptoms throughout the episode that she's talking about like. I don't know what's wrong with her. I know she really does express how much she's going through right now with her custody battle and everything and i guess that kind of stress can affect you physically so maybe she's just kind of manifesting that stress in an unhealthy way but you are in the cayman islands so it's almost like can't you just site disconnect for a couple of hours like for a few days and try to enjoy it because i love katie and i feel like she brings so much to it and i just want her to like step it up and give us some drama which she still does the whole situation with with ashley but i do appreciate that ashley comes to terms with the the fact that she needs to find a little bit more compassion for katie and they kind of squashed their beef in a sense. I almost wonder if katie was just doing that out of like i am tired and don't feel well sure like it's cool for them right now. She just like didn't feel like i didn't have any left enter and that might be why she's just like bailed. Towards towards the end of the episode to is katie. I know well we'll get into that in a second giselle calling out karen's wig when they go to visit the sting raise and do that whole fun little adventure. Karen's wigs have been a topic of conversation for a few seasons now. They're not always you know on on properly or what have you secure exactly so i love giselle called out how secure cairns wake buzz. It's got a positive osita. Reinforcement is important. Blowing in the wind. Karen is feeling herself <hes> staying off in the win dan honey. I'm so proud of you. That thing is way better than what we've seen in the tight once they're out there in the water hanging with the stingrays we even see ashley and candice candice having little bonding moment low piggyback ride yeah meeting look. They should be friends. I don't think they he ever will be now but it's it's tough because when they're at the dinner giselle brings up you know oh it's good to see you two getting along long or whatever but that's just enough to stir the pot well i think giselle new which you lead to what she was doing and candice does apologize apologized to ashley and then intern really expects ashley to apologize right back because we're still talking about the events from the butter knife dinner which at this. I was probably like a month ago for that right. I mean <hes> at least a few weeks. So do you think they've finally came to terms with that. I don't feel like ashley was ready ready to really apologize for her behavior. Whereas candace was kind of ready to be done with it brain but we did learn kind of at the end of the episode sewed was a lot of it came out of the fact that ashley hurt kansas feelings in new orleans and was like well. I don't really feel like we have more than kind of surface relationship or or anything beyond that and i think that really did hurt candice and hurt people <unk> hurt people so i think she just acted out and continued to act out and like she says to ashley after they do yoga i hold a grudge and i have to work really hard to suppress that and just end up acting out and i think we've seen candidates do that a lot. Just in the last two seasons we've seen a lot of candace acting out the to everyone so it's understandable and it's good that she is recognizing that and maybe therapy she's been going to and all of the progress. She's trying to make with with her mom. Maybe that's really starting to resonate into other parts of her life. Teen chris's cookbook will do well. You know i hope so just because i like chris chris and then i feel like maybe they won't be relying so much on miss dorothy <hes> and her support brain and then and they'll be making their own money <hes> so i hope so but it seems like candice doesn't really have much of a part in it and ashley was trying to give her some like legal advice on it. Yeah you guys have to think ahead in and realize that <hes> you have to set up something. In place that will respect whatever the boundaries are for this is chris project talking about a legal document not necessarily legal document. Put this rolling here. It's also a business also business in marriage. They fear the same but they're also a little bit different and karen. I think like you know ashley. Sit down calm down rain rain. We don't need your perspective on this whole thing. You didn't even get your pre-nup signed. Leave it to karen. Leave it to karen. We also robin bringing up the open house. Oh situation to giselle which i think was good yeah like she needed to to tell her and by the way that is how you do an apology what jizzle said yeah. She was just like that's not cool that i would make you my best friend upset. That is on me. That's the opposite of a housewife's politics growth. Yes growth. It is grow imitating that <hes> gaffe came from insecure. Have you seen that twitter. You know what i'm talking about. Sarah growth now send a two guys. You guys even on twitch. I even know social media at the end of the episode. Katie goes missing. No checkout empties her room gone have you no i thought we went to her room last night and she seems fine finish. She seemed better than chimoio yesterday. So i just went to a room her door was open in her stuff is gone. I just went to the front desk to see if she checked out. She hasn't checked out but she's gone. Can i tell you what it reminded me of and this is like dark natalie holloway eric what i thought you were gonna say kelly bensimon scary i know okay all right natalie holloway missing in aruba two thousand nine infamously like still never found ever found but and so the reason it reminded me so much is because my friend and jessica was on that trip with natalie and i remember her explaining the next morning when they were all getting ready to go and no one knew where natalie was like it was like messed up you know like it was insane but i remember when robin was here for an interview a few months ago at this point after the interview interview for the podcast or whatever we were talking to her a little bit more about what's to come this season and she really went deep on this katie disappearance and was like oh. This is what happened in the cayman islands like we didn't know we see in a preview for next week to production had no idea like hey just up and vanished and didn't tell anyone anyone about it. She didn't even call. I think her family and just left so i do yeah i do see the bensimon similarities. Maybe maybe not as dark as natalie holloway because katie is still alive and well it also reminds me of <hes> shannon madore disappeared for a little bit and jamaica yeah yeah in season. Thirteen people love to just cut and run. I know what i hope we get a little bit more of an explanation from katie haiti or any explanation from katie about what happened and why she chose to do that because it is almost here responsible especially not to tell production brain speaking of karen's wig the ladies on the real housewives of potomac after show discuss a little bit about katie's haiti's wig game and how it's kind of weak which we've discussed already on the show true so let's take a listen to that rock <unk> both got in the weeks. I mean i do party. City olga katie and her wigs personality. She's a beautiful gal al with those whigs where we were miss. You need to go and cairns with closet. I think he's trying to copy me personally. I always like my bad wig. Mama's okay listen. Hold on hold on hold on auto owners. I mean they're free busted. Do you leave free-spirited dollar store weeks plus it back to life. I mean if not alive thing. I'll her head. I don't even hate ashley that much to give her. Would you look like that this had on and i think it was like a debate that night and i was like the debate is what was the debate with a wave or not because it was so bad. I can't imagine you actually picking away so heh. Eh looked worse than your own hair. It was like the charity event like there's no way that's a wig no way out. I remember how enhancing anything what's going on. I models used to be a model in new york. City one would think she would know at least how to put on a good week. Even when i have a messy week i try and put it on right. It's it's a look here. You know i'm upset. Why i'm upset because haiti gave us dollar store wig the entire season then we wrapped filming filming here. She comes with the puzzle <hes> hair the with the good yacky during the season. I actually hung out with katie recently in l._a. And she looked really good after we wrapped filming canvas and gets his beautiful wave thinker instagram wherever those wings fins okay. Let's do rose and thorn okay. Let's do rose and thorn rose. My rose was the charter guests on below deck mad. Oh i love those girls. They were wild specifically. I think them at dinner yeah by the point in which they were like gone wasted and talking about their house that they used to live in how amazing using it was and they were just like totally gone but like it was also a little lake me and her don't even have children. We have no one we only have so. I'm like oh god okay also by the way love travis and collins imitation of those it was on point. They were so so good here accident he him and that other than he ran away with. She's a little bitch. Get it girl it in put your your dress on and look good. You know why because you deserve it but yes. I love these ladies. They're wild crazy. What was your rose. My rose was a great quote from travis from below deck talking about not being in the same room as jack anymore. 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35. No Holds Barred - "Randy with his stupid face and paralyzed... badness."

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35. No Holds Barred - "Randy with his stupid face and paralyzed... badness."

"Hi everybody this podcast where real doctors discuss fake medical emergencies that means that less in nineteen, ninety, eight, the undertaker three off Helena Sal, and you plummeted sixteen feet through an announcer's table. This podcast is not medical advice if you need medical advisory medical care, please contact your doctor. Everybody I'm. I'm Johnny coalisons since you went remember me from such podcast as. I, my brain is broken because of all of this I don't even have a joke. This is a high everybody, a bad medicine podcast coming to you live on tape once again from social isolation. we've been gone for low bit than the lot of stuff pop enough in yeah. Both our worlds I would say are pretty nuts I think in general. Yeah. It. It's definitely been a crazy time for pretty much everyone. What we're GONNA do now is we're GonNa have an episode that's not about Cova this. Is Your first time listening where we talk about what Hollywood gets right and wrong about medicine and how ATI works You can find us on facebook instagram and twitter at hi everybody md or it hi everybody I'm dot com or you can give us a call at fats. Dock door. And Jackson I would say it's GonNa be battled. The tough guys has this week we're going to be talking about no holds barred nineteen, eighty nine movies starring Hulk. Hogan. Yeah. We're GONNA talk about Hollywood Hogan gets right and wrong about medicine the. Simpson. Hollywood yet still WWF Hogan and the reason why I picked it as Wrestlemainia just finished. Let's just watch a horrible movie written by bit sick man and Hogan over the course of a weekend. Because they've been like the first script. Yeah. Because the first script was bad which I really need to read that script because Holy God. This movie is bad in all the best way possible. Yeah and this is what we needed in I've and I a lot of this movie bad medicine wise is unrealistic violence. And just, I don't understand how this this whole entire world works. Yeah. Let's. I have eaten multiple notes, a- and none of them are about medicine. There's all right. There's something that I think I wanNA talk about before we get started on on on talking about the plot of the movie and that is Kate. So, Jackson. What is cave? So cafe is kinda presenting. I think the best way to describe it is it's still real to me. dammit. The hasn't everything that is portrayed in staged events in wrestling that scripted is portrayed as real. So sometimes, they'll. Live their life as the character. So Hulk Hogan will be this kind of big bigger than person telling people eat their vegetables take vitamins to what on this persona, and that is to perceive that is perceived as true and that is who he is. sometimes, it could be that. Like if you want to do old school wwf, randy savage and Miss Elizabeth. Wife. initially portrayed as characters. Ended up getting married but they blended real life with the state events right. Yeah and Wrestling's gotten a little bit away from that since I don't know maybe the early two thousands but part of it still kind of there like the undertaker is still dead mysterious guy would supernatural outright. but but the the idea that they have to be one hundred percent on and not let the audience in on the joke is kind of a little bit a little bit in the in the age of the Internet where everyone knows about backstage news and drama and all that stuff that stuff you kind of lose a little bit of that magic. But when the kind of sneak a cave in and make. A storyline feel real is always like the thing that hooks a lot of people in right and that makes it. It's something that latched onto a definitely connects you to it. and. I know. Not Well, not a wrestling podcast yet, but I will talk about it all day long if we ask you but yes I think that that the. A little bit more were letting people in on what's what is actually like behind the scenes is one of the reasons that divas started doing so well. Hugo's. Medieval Divas meaning the women wrestlers, not not divas being the show but when they you know acknowledge when they started treating them as athletes and not eye candy. Cracks, and that was like a big thing were the girls are only getting thirty second matches and they wanted more time giving them a chance that Hashtag trended and now it's Pretty much their most popular wrestler at least in the WWF is a woman and she's probably the biggest like merchandise seller everybody. So things have changed quite a bit but Kinda opening up that window to seeing what was going on backstage definitely kind of snowballed into this bigger thing. Be Cave or actual like things going on in real society kind of those together making us feel more real than it is right. That's not. So. Let's. He just it just a quick rehash of the plot of Nineteen eighty-nine no-holds-barred. Hogan is playing a guy who has absolutely not whole Cogan but had. Named RIP that happens to be the WWF world. Champion. Then and Evil Network TV. wants to start his his own promotion is own wrestling. League. the battle of the tough guys and jealously he gets REASOM. As his as his lead Yeah. Zeus absolve. Zeus the. Guy, who showed up in a prison uniform. Having. Just gotten out from killing a guy in the ring and is a gigantic black dude who doesn't speak. It's tiny lister it's any later. Come on he? He's there but. Can I go back to one thing just going back to the opening scene? The sleeper hold is something I always have to explain to people. In your understanding of the sleeper hold how how does it work you know K K. FEHB wise I. Think it's GonNa be shutting off a shouting. Like cutting off your windpipe right is what they're selling it as so actually saw it. Close to that it's lowering our cutting off the oxygen to the brain was back in the day. Now. It's cutting off the blood supply to the brain. Okay. There's a big. There's a subtle reason for that change now to W is trying to avoid a lot of like choking and suffocation kind of thing ever since the tragedy of Chris Benoit. which was when he like hung himself in hungry kids your children and stuff like that. So now it's you cut the blood supply to the brain which makes absolutely no sense at all because it does is it would be supposedly by cutting off the crowded. Artery writings. And you can actually. I mean you can try to cut off that blood supply to the brain, but could probably stroke and die I mean it's kind of like any kind of injury to the karate you can tear it and then we can form clots there Mike Telam later but the other thing you can do by rubbing on the karate artery is actually lower your blood pressure. Get you that way too. Okay. So actually explaining it that way like, oh, he's got pressure on. Karate Kid. Now back to it's GonNa make to pass out because it's gonNA lowered blood pressure whatever sure why not but that was always thing I grew up. Watching everyone the super hold and they don't get choked out right away or struggle is just a gentle good night. To tapping out or not so much tapping out back. Then there was a tapping out it was they would raise the arm and watch a drop. But then if you're the good guy by the third by the third time, they lift your armies, stop it before it hits the ground. That's that was the explanation of sleeper hold back then so it was always a funny thing to watch i. think the only successful sleeper hold move was the million dollar dream where they didn't even do that part. They just let them go limp. Now is the only time and then the million dollar man would stop money in your mouth because he's the man because rest lot. Yeah. I'm trying to think what else but the CEO, as you were mentioning earlier Super Evil Guy Yeah I think he I think you successfully said on twitter that he was more evil smarter than Vince McMahon I think that Kurt Fuller Oscar for managing to. Play somebody who makes Vince McMahon look like a shining beacon of hope. Yeah. She was also extremely strong. He's he and his into crystals allot. Able. To smash all those crystals no blood nothing like that. Just Russia's it in his hand and smashes which proves that he is stronger than. You know anybody else. I would say this law, but I don't know. What else you have on I have so many stupid notes about bites because there. So many bad fights in here. Yeah. All of my notes like I said, our our non medical, their thing lake Wrestling is counter culture in the in the ninety s versus today. They I really enjoy it so as they're getting. A. They take the network exacts into this underground wrestling literally underground wrestling ring. In the seediest dive bar in the world filled with. Yeah. Stereotypical rednecks and that's kind of the idea that. That was the audience for wrestling for a long time. Yeah and I feel like it's gotten away from that a little bit a little bit I think the weird thing about that whole. Situation was mainly the waitress. I. Don't know if you remember her but she had the most. I've heard anybody any movie and I don't know they to portray that. At all like she should be coughing a lot more if you have that much fun. Just spit it out a confidante. She and she was also the methodist. Oh No no, she was not close to memorize if you want. Methodist Watch. Tiger came. I've I have avoided Tibert Tiger. King so far. Why why are you avoiding the greatest thing on tell them You need to watch that. Watching. How messy some other people's mouths are it's a roller coaster I will say that and it is fantastic. You should watch it. I can't really cover it on. This podcast. Because I'll medical stuff other than don't do math. But not medical advice, but medical advice don't do. A hundred percent medical advice oh, there is one scene that I. Really WanNa. Talk to you about and it's the kidnapping scene where this happens in the beginning of the movie where rip gets kidnapped by the LIMO driver. Yeah, and so he gets kidnapped by the LIMO driver. I they. Luckily, his limo has what I guess. It's supposed to be bulletproof glass like bulletproof like sheet metal slide ups. So he's not punches way out of the out of the LIMO. and. After he, he does manage to punch his way out of the Limo. Essentially market doesn't punch way out of the amount he explodes out of Baleno through the top. Yeah. And the. Next. I. Will Say the one thing that I complained about this movie. I wrote a bunch of times. It's a complaint I have about all every movie. There's not enough blood. Now there's there was hardly any blood at all. There's only like two instances Oh blood which will to later but no blood at all in this and he exploded through the top with like a plume of smoke around him to. Yeah. I. Mean This is a movie. GotTa Watch it. From from a biological standpoint Do we have to burst through things in puffs of smoke I does does that come out of Patou itary gland or? I mean that would be more of an adrenal thing because O'CONNELL in right but now. I will say, no probably happen. likeliness of you busting through. A Car Limo. Car Off that way as much as him picking up a guy solely by his hair up from the ground onto the top of the car. Yeah. We're not a physical talk about that all the time but usually that's not enough to support the way of lifting up someone. But also like later in the movie Zeus, does the same thing to some guy who's on the ground out of a chunk of his hair, but he doesn't go flying up in the air now. The strength between Zeus and rip are so inconsistent like I don't know who's stronger than who? The powers fluctuate so much in this movie. Yeah. The. Let's talk about the limo driver for a moment. I was GONNA say that because that is my favorite team in this entire will be by. What's that smell? Well let's let's paint a picture for the. After ripped has. Handily stored everybody in. That whole entourage we all dead right. Oh. Yeah. They all got thrown through bulletproof glass, but the glass showed like. Like candy they're all dead Aubusson. Everyone's every single person dead which is probably why the liberal is sitting there in such shock. Hulk Hogan pulls him out. I'm sorry rip pull out absolutely not hustling Hulk Hogan is the actor ribs the. He makes the dumbest face not I'm not talking about dilemma. I'm talking about like like rip the dumbest intimidating face and just ask what's that smell and the response is dookie because Limo driver crapped his pants I mean you could see the stains on there. Like. I don't understand that like I would feel like he would urinate himself before he sold himself. Just makes more sense. It's a lot easier, but I, feel like they just really wanted to catch a guy say. dookie. On there and I know. From the stories when you want like you hear about Vikram, he loves POOP and for jobs. This is right up. The sick man's alley? Trying to. I'm trying to find those scenes. I can just play how bad he says dookie 'cause. I don't understand. Maybe that was So. Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan spent seventy two hours in a hotel room reiterating the movie because it wasn't up to their standards. It's possible that the only change was that line was we we? We we and what's that? What's that smell P P. No. No that's not enough. What can we do work when you hear how can we fix it? Let's get some chocolate. Put It on the guidance by. Make Y'all dookie, and here's the thing. Is Not above jokes either because he made some key. During an episode Monday night raw. Oh, there was because she was scarred where where we had you know the the tube networking Zack's. A get their peeing in a trough in that basement bar and They get scared and so turned to speak to each other. N.. P. On each other's feet. This is the the caliber of film that we're dealing with here. Folks. please. Watch it all. If you want an escape from all, that's going on. This is your escape. It's it's so dumb. You'RE GONNA make that most opera transition to Zeus now being this very dominant champion and him going on this terror of throat punching everybody. And then doing the chops yet chops on the side of the neck, which allegedly knocks people out or kills them and I'm not sure which one. If, you go by the the logic of. The sleeper hold working in real life. He basically just chop people in the Kerala artery cut off. Let's apply to the brain just long enough to knock him out. Got It. It's just like the neck pinch. Yeah it's. It's a more cross eyed vulcan map. Yeah. Do you know why? This is a side piece of trivia but deemed why tiny lister is is is like that I do not So he actually was born blind in his right I Like me only a little more developed. A little more developed. It didn't fully develop. He doesn't have like a retina I detach and deformed. So he was actually born blind and that is. So that's why is the way it is and part of Zeus you could reduce. But. The difference is you need one eyebrow? On that one eyebrow under the right side should not go all the way across okay I can tell you. You should also have the letter Z. Shaved your head, I can shave back in my head. I'm sorry not straight into your head your head should be saved only leaving the letters. I can do this. I. I'll be honest. My hair line is a little more suited to Hulk Hogan. Current Hogan it any hulk Hogan I if I think I could grow out hoax and my wife and I were talking about this just after we finish watching it I. Think I could whole Cogan bullet. I feel bad for your wife having to watch this movie. Happy need. That's that's when it gets real good. I I thought the whole film was delightful. Why God? Zeus goes on this whole terror. He rips out up here I wrote a note where said it's nice that a man named Lug wrench can find a job that fits with his name. But. He puts the neck like he does a lot with the fighters is don't put a poll on their neck. And then just hit that or kick them somewhere else that acting itself can technically kilter one because they've got the pressure on their on their dance and then yeah and it doesn't kill him right away it it'll be like the airway to devote later that will kill you like That's that's the big concern. Choking victims and whatnot is not so much the initial effect. But if you take a direct blow there, it's the Edina later that swells up and natural causes the like. Get A horse voice in they look like how? I'm playing the movie in the background and I really regret it because I'm on the we're Cogan. Samantha in the Hotel Room wearing the short SEAN OFFICE BIDEN'S I. Late ladies. Yeah, it's that that was. I feel like that wasn't. So this movie was eighty nine, but I feel like that was more like an eighty, six, eighty, seven thing of you can be as masculine as possible by wearing the shortest shorts. In history. A short shorts and then he does sit ups. Push ups Yeah Push Ed. God. That was uncomfortable for me. It was a little in little me to we just to yeah a little bit. Oh. The diner fight the diner fight. Let's let's. Number One let's let's keep playing into Rachel stereotype just a little bit. In this film like. At I felt like that was just kind of. Across the board where this knowing. I end. It wasn't. It was just just to to two bumbling thieves that showed. And hoke I'm sorry rip fought them off. By destroying the restaurant throwing the ball down benches on them and then throwing the same pilot them five times. Yes. I wrote he subdued Robert With desert. He also slid the guide down but entire diner table. Yeah. Tiny powder Yup. Oh. Can we talk about how glistening everyone is all the time to? Oh? Yeah. Because he was glistening he he glowed. Games. No reason for this. I. My favorite part of this was that it so got two guys who are holding up a diner. Couple of grand I guarantee you. Hogan did like fifteen thousand dollars property I'm sorry, rip. Rip The ripper did fifteen thousand dollars the property damage to that diner. But it's him, it's fine. He's over customer he. He didn't like the way or. At that I was GONNA. Make a room that's like her. And then we're slowly building up to the climax of the movie where this is where I had most of the medical problems. By Air. Randy. Little brother. Yeah getting close to that part but the one just before where. Rick Catches someone trying to assault SAM, which is love interest and then Just leave Sir there after she was being assaulted and then chases him with his motorcycle. China straight up murder him. Yeah. I know amid no sounds like he ran into him and that he got caught, the assailant was caught on the motorcycle he gets launched into a free. It was magic. It was just mad. It wasn't. But I will he should be. Yeah Everyone in the film should be dead. Everyone. Multiple. Times data on this movie. Like she that the guy who gets hit by the motorcycle. sense. He would probably get caught run over by the motorcycle at least under the tires. No way he would have been launched into the tree and if you dig it launch a tree. Hugging mass those Nolan hair in a bloody amounts like this whole entire move. Now it makes zero sense. I don't understand this like I get. It was not this almost feels like a coke. Coke fueled script that was written by bits of men in Hogan in seventy two hours in a hotel in Florida. Yes. How percents wow. I. Know I know it sounds shocking but Beth Winston dente legally. This was written in seventy two hours, but Vincent Man Hulk Hogan in a Hotel Room in Florida. I wonder if the had cocaine. It's the eighties. Also this movie initially was like. It was all funded by concerned man yeah. So This is all an attempt to make Hogan with a huge huge star. Yeah. Legitimize wrestling as entertainment. Which took another twenty years? It it's. It's It's so beautiful but tear offices. This was a couple years after Andy Kaufman died right income died in like eighty five or eighty six. I think so. because. Just. A the eighty four. Yeah Andy kind of did the same thing to wrestling of. Yeah. He brought it came. Yeah, he brought it into mainstream. You like was on talk shows kind of talking it up and whatnot fighting women because it was an inter gender. and was just cringe kind of humor kind of person that. Means Stream lot more. Yeah. and made these small promotions down in the south much more relevant. Mainly Memphis by kind of got really big. Yeah. This this was trying to make it more mainstream and balanced. The bowl of all wrestlemanias really tried to get in Mike mainstream celebrities to kind of ballots sports like Cindy, lauper shows up Donald Trump and. Donald Trump showed up Mr T. Mike Tyson Mr team was part of the main event I think in the first or second wrestlemainia. So it's really random stuff like that to legitimize what's going on and now it's like Except for this year's Wrestlemania, every other wrestlemanias like a celebrity filled. Kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah but I, digress, because we're talking about no-holds-barred and the most. no-holds-barred -ness of this whole thing. was. Zeus continuing his reign of terror, choking people at bars but then at the end of one of the fights. Or during one of the fights to see rips brother Randy And his friend watching Zeus fight. And then they run into Zeus. After the fight and he said something Randy said something to zoos make Zeus. Angry. And then prowl the evil C. O. shows up and backhands Back. beckons. Randy. into. A coma. No He backhand actually draws blood. Right Lot at this point, he's bleeding from his mouth and then Zeus hits them no blood comes out but that's what sensitive into a coma. So we go by this logic that the only person that strong prowl. He's got an off universe. He is the strongest person in some tire movie store than ricky stronger than everyone. By far, and then was like. I don't know if you legitimately hit over not that amount of blood that look like he busted his lip looked real. I do know that just from IMDB that tiny. Chinese knows got broken. So there were real injuries which is just like wrestling Doug. All right. Like tiny lizard did become a real russell for a little while to get also confusing to me but. Going back to that randy ends up in the ICU and I know we've gone through a lot of this before. But what did you think of that same? There were no monitors whatsoever and there was also no. Medicine whatsoever. Yeah and the for someone in Cohen. Chai supporters breeding or whatnot Seattle. But Randy does. I guess he was like Prince Charming. Kisses sorry, not ready rip rip was like Prince Charming Kisses Randy on hand. And he wakes up from the color. And moves his hand and then starts doing physical therapy and things like that. You know. I don't understand. I don't understand the lowering them into a top for recovery I was. That was that was probably my only note that had anything to do with medicine is why were they putting him in a tub? I, don't know. I quit starship troopers question mark. I don't know I'd being. The only thing I could think of is it could technically be low resistance XTRA. Right. That's what they do dogs. Yeah. But the problem was after that they showed on trying to walk on the bars like every single rehab movie of the eighties. The parallel bars and they used that brace themselves up to walk. And to have a walking there, he's moving his legs and this is an important key to remember. Because he is moving his legs and supporting himself with his arm and some correct. But when they go into the big fight between Rippin Zeus, he's sitting in the wheelchair completely motionless. Yeah and And Rick is inspired by the fact that he moves his fingers. Yeah. But even before that, like rips walking in China Somber? Because he has to fight he's worried about his girlfriend got kidnapped and whatnot but he flashes the ripper assigned to his brother who always returns it and his brother didn't have goddamn decency that give it back to him. He just sits there and looks at it Amit Randall although the strength is so inconsistent like. Not, it's paralysed or not and. I I love when when Sam, the girlfriend got kidnapped and he was just screaming what's happening, what's happening what's happening because he was in wheels he was in his wheelchair and and couldn't turn around couldn't turn around and they thought that that was you know. Oh. Let's focus on this for high-drama. Yeah and then the only thing that really causes rip to hulk out which I think that's the appropriate term here It's like as he moves his Pinky, how do you see that from you are with what's going on? He moves US pinky and he goes nuts yup. So Weird. Made no sense at all. Also what makes no sense if you watch us again, which adds from Mickey to watch the began. He has a bruise on his face from the timing up punch by Zeus might and it's still there. But as the season progresses the Bruce Fades get. It just gets lighter lighter over the fifteen minutes of the fight, right? The whole time. I don't get it. It's so crazy. I don't have anything specific about that fight. Do you like I do okay. I mean, there wasn't so to be fair the fight didn't have that much Ed because it was just a a core wrestler hitting another not as great wrestler. And a lot of hitting but when the same sorts building up. And then So this is the only time. The other two times I'll see blogging this movie is Hogan sorry ripped Bites Zeus up the stairs onto the stage and hit some. And then eventually hits him so hard that he falls off the stage integral break, right? And he falls so hard. He makes a perfectly round, perfectly circular hole in the ring. And, this is when you see the the second instance of blogging entire movie. Because he has a tiny amount of drool going down we'll signs mouth right. To exist and. Well I didn't think. So initially until pro pro gets electrocuted, right because prowess throwing this huge temper tantrum and the storing all the video equipment because he's the strongest man. Destroying the room. Process starring the room I don't understand why this is his broadcast right? Like wants to show this high drama. Okay. Champion that's GONNA lose, but he's destroying everything. Sparks applying. You would think someone reasonable would leave, but he's not and he pulls one particular thing. I don't even know what it is because I don't I'm not a big eighties technology. Not Big on eighty s broadcast television technology. Now unfortunately. Are The new one. There's a new one. Yeah, they remade it other season. Yeah. It's on CBS. And me and my random knowledge but. They pull it, and then they those one exposed cable he backs up into because he's so mad I just like shakes and convulses just a little bit. And then he lands on the ground with his eyes open and that's when you see a him drooling blood. Yeah. So drooling blood equals death. So I. I think rip is a straight up murderer and. Here's the audience loves it. Very nicely. Dressed audience. Yeah. Salmaan drooling blood. Is then yeah and got someone started on TV right L. NOT ON TV because do you oh, it's all right to kill that in front of dozens of witnesses. Yeah. Yeah. Like a room full of witnesses that dead just loved it was the time of their lives. And my final note that I wrote down on this was and now randy can stand. Yeah. because. He he's a randy's the worst I. Think if I've learned anything randy lives in cocoa gonsalves mooching off of him. Sorry. Moves and reptiles which has been completely and then does nothing to help. This movie is unrealistic like violence kind of like even hokey than wrestler and Russians. Pretty Hokey like professional wrestling is way Hoke, right? Now it was, it was peak eighties in plot and oh Just this is what this is what I wanted in life. But right now this is. This is exactly what I needed to movie is just really bad. Makes no sense violence and go back electrocution. He should look way worse if you really look crispy Christner bloodier. Her is I. You're you know I. Don't Know What this movie was initially rated. But definitely, not a nice later go is an electric. It's an electric. Electric execution like it's supposed to be bad, right we've we've seen the green mile. We know what it should look. This is a crispy situation. Yeah. I. Think it's a nice way to say. That that the sensors didn't make it through the movie. True. This movie was no-holds-barred Yeah. Sorry before that, this influence a real wwe pay per view where it was hulk Hogan and Brutus Barbie cake fighting randy savage and Zeus in a steel cage right? Hand that that pay per view was called. no-holds-barred the match, the movie. Just rolls off the top. I love it. I love everything about the stick with. The new show that's on Disney right now high school musical, the movie The show. I think that's long. Yeah. This is essentially the same thing. This did at first. Yeah. Yeah High School the series high school musical series. CARAMEL. Off My here, it's actually pretty great. It's. It's not a show about high school musical. It's a show about kids putting on high school musical. I'm GonNa hard pass on that holiday. The might not be the audience. Definitely know what you are the audience for. What the human centipede. Okay speaking of which I have an important question. The. Human Centipede bills itself as one hundred percent medically accurate. 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The Shawshank Redemption (1994)

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The Shawshank Redemption (1994)

"Just when we thought we were out they brought us back in what movie are we covering? We're covering what it we're covering a. Yeah. It's kind of godfather esque in at least its place in my heart The Shawshank Redemption nineteen Ninety-four zone directed by one Frank Darabont. Starring. Morgan Freeman and fucked me, I can't Tim Robbins, Tim Robbins Clancy Brown. I mean everybody, you know from the nineties. Yes, Jeff thrown a whole bunch of the the Darabont players are in this. And this was commissioned. This is a commission podcast back from from semi-retirement from her Taurean. This was the grand prize of our fantasy football league. We had to this year. We have another winner. Doctor nicked will be getting his commission a little bit later but had tornados up. I now has always been a Commissioner of the famous football. The fuck or one every year it's entire history. Whatever your windy, we actually opened a a corruption investigation. We now is the time now win are we waiting for Andy friends to mail us a copy of the cooks league books or something? Yeah. But he has the following statement. Thanks to the fantasy football teams were playing hope we can do it again next year. I want another commission win another commission. I had the teams vote for a few different options and Shawshank Redemption one. Oh, well, you have made you know, he's he's a Democratic League cooker. Not sure that ballots not stuffed either. This is probably the first drama. I really watched and understood so no every single person on this fantasy football league has a birth certificate and a real. Say this the first time, I really watch understood holds a special place in my heart. It's definitely a top five of all time. Where do you guys sit with the movie damn how good is Frank Darabont? Is this the best narrated movie ever will leave the rest of discussion. Do you guys? That's a good question. I like that that final question is this the best narrative movie all time, no kid, maybe like a lot of times narration detracts like, for example, Bladerunner my God, the movie is completely different with the with without Harrison Ford's kinda hokey film Noir. Narration removed from it. I what's your relationship. That is film. I've seen this. Maybe. So I've definitely seen like pieces of this many times. I think was only seen them cable favorite. Exactly like I'll be flipping through the channels. Oh, look, that's Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman right? AMC loves or on the in just whenever just out. I wonder if they still do after the Darabont shit. Now, they're in a lawsuit with the guy of a makes money, they probably don't care. Yeah. So this may be is like the second time I've seen it all the way through. I was surprised at how romanticized it all is. 'cause I I don't get that part from catching pieces of it here and there, but this is a very romanticized notion of prison life with extremely interesting way to phrase that. Okay. What are you talking about? They so I think this size gang rape, go. I think this is great now. There are exceptions. Okay. Absolutely. But let me say, I think this movie is awesome. Yes. And it is an extremely well crafted story, it's engrossing through the entire thing. I think the thing that was a real head scratcher is how the kind of drop you into this prison and let you forget about the crimes that these people have committed immediately. They never really bring it up until read speech at the end, right? That kind of surprised me, I guess it's kind of irrelevant, right? Like inside prison outside really, not to me as an outside prison viewer was what I was saying are these people good people, fundamentally or bad people fundamentally and the movie never addresses that I think it's just lets you assume that these people are as good as anyone you would meet on the street outside even though they are murderers. They are probably, rapists and thieves and all the things that land you in prison the movie never asks that question Bill. Yeah. It's interesting is like the people that we do know red like, obviously, he's guilty of murdering someone as a teenager. Yeah. And he feels real bad about it. And it's like made the way they describe it. Maybe it seems like it was a mutual combat kind of thing wasn't like. Words you're said at a bar and some shoves exchange and suddenly someone's bleeding on the floor. It's it didn't seem like it was like he was a professional hitman. And I I mean, that's one of the things I think this. I don't wanna get too far in before we get all the introduction. There's the way. But I do think that a lot of these questions were certainly bounced around my head. It's been probably five or six years since I've seen this movie. I've seen it probably six times, I'm kind of like Torian, and that this movie became at ninety four like right as I was graduating high school, and I remember starting to follow pop culture more more closely in getting be beginning into like, more television and movies. And this was you know, got a lot of Oscar bows. And I saw it out like very early on like like when I was twenty rented it watched it, and like was just completely blown away at how like, you know. It's it's it's not the typical young man's movie. It's very it's very slow and deliberate and quiet, but it is. Very as you said absorbing like, it's reminds me a lot of the godfather in that its pace can be so slow, and yet you're kind of hanging on every frame and every word, and it's also a movie that rewards like rewatch is because I feel like now that you know, what Andy is doing. There's a lot of tension. Like, it's very ballsy. What he's doing? He's taking high stakes risks at every turn. But the movie, and you do not know it the first time. You're you're watching it. Yeah. I mean, you see the obvious risks takes like going up to Clancy Brown and delay. Do you trust your wife, and and you know, flipping the bird to the warden as e blast the an Italian opera throughout The Shawshank. But it's way way more intense every single time the warden goes in there, and they shake down is, you know, they someone leans up against Rita Hayworth. The it's all over to stiff brief if if a cold front moves in and blows against it. It's all over like, it's I found it very stressful. Watching some of those scenes, even though I know what's going. What's what's going to happen? But yeah, it's it it is one of those very first. There's one of those very first movies. I saw where it's like, oh, it doesn't have to be all action or I don't have to be like laughing. My like my guts out to actually enjoy the experience of watching a movie. So what do you? I mean. I don't like, man. I don't even know how to do like top movies anymore. It's like five seats so many fucking movies. Yeah. They're like there are probably thirty movies in my top five right now. Kind of feel the same way. It's kind of like what mood am I in? But like in the kind of like, just great movie. I think it's it's it's it's up there and the great movies, you know. Yeah. And it is every single time. Like, I I every time you're flipping through the channels, and you see it's on it's kind of like the other like the kind of sense of gravity. It's kind of comes over us. Like, oh, we're about to get to the roof tar and seen or we're about to get to the scene where he gets the library opened. There were about there's a lot of these kind of just great scenes were about to get to where the old man gets released and hangs himself Brooks. There's a lot of great because I think the other thing is that this movie is very character driven. And they're just lots of great characters. There are I mean aside from Andy and read the two main ones you've got the the warden's a piece of work. The head guard is a piece of work reds whole crew are all interesting and. Yeah. That's just great seeing like this, really believable friendship. Spring up between these men that takes place over the course of twenty years, but it only covers like two hours and twenty minutes of film. It's pretty it's a remarkable accomplishment. Yeah. And I think the central messages of hope and not losing hope. And when you give up hope essentially, you give up your life. Even if you're incarcerated like you want to maintain that hope at least. That's that's the thesis that. Andy has when he comes into prison where red is very much in the opposite camp, right? That you need to abandon all hope because there there's no reason for it. And I think the evolution of those feelings over the course of the movie is one of the most compelling things about it. And you know, that's all ties into like the library and giving these other cons hope future like Brooks killing himself. Like, it's a very well crafted through line for the film you because I read and and they're both right. Like red is probably right. That killing hope is the best way to survive the prison of experience. Sure that the prison experience. But I think Andy's right in that. If you do successfully do that, and it goes on for too long. Then you lose the ability to function outs in the outside world you become as this movie says institutionalized. Yeah, I wanted to ask you about that concept is this is this kind of building look in ninety four. I was twelve years old. I didn't know what. Institutionalized meant let alone that. It was a principle that applied to prison culture. Is this something that was kind of hanging out in his eye Geist in like, the sixties is this when like that idea of Hayward, we're treating these prisoners in really fucked up way to makes them incapable living outside of that system. Is that a thing that had been around is Shawshank like building on momentum from that? Or is it more? Like, I don't know. Because this is a thing that Stephen King who I think wrote this pretty early on in his writing career which would have been like late sixties early seventies. I think it's it's probably closer to the ladder that, you know, I don't know in fifties. America people we're talking about things being institutionalized. But I'm I'm just guessing, I don't know. I'm trying to see this is the question. I have is a twelve year old and ninety four thirty seven year old and eighty two while interesting. Oh, really? Yeah. So I mean, I do think it got me thinking a lot about like prison culture. And how we see because here is like all. All the bad things about prison life in America. The fact that you know, it's it's not it's not just that. You're seeing here to do time. It's that you also get here. And you're there's extra digital beatings. And there's the threat concert threat of rape and violence there is the dehumanisation of being put in solitary confinement, which increasingly is a lot of prisoners experience where they sit in the box for twenty three hours. They're let out for one day or one one hour a day. And like what does that do to a human's mind that human that's a social creature that that I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't fuck and do that to a dog. And you think about like I kept on thinking about the stuff I've been reading about some the Scandinavian countries in Norway in particular where like the maximum you can be sentenced for prison for murder is twenty one years. And typically you get unsupervised weakened parole beginning at one third of your sentence. So the longest. It would take to get out the where you're getting out in the weekends. And maybe you can start seeing your family and holding a job at seven years. It's usually less time than that with full release a two-thirds. So you kill a person you could get out. You could be getting weakened parole and four years now and eight and I wonder what Americans think about that. Because. I mean, if your wife got killed, right? And this guy do you want this human being that murdered her wife to suffer? Eternal prisonment. Do you want him to suffer death? Do you want him to suffer for a rape gangs? Or do you want him to have the educational abilities counseling perhaps medication? You wanna be rehabilitated the where he becomes like, you know, something of value is gained from your your wife or loved one's death. And I don't I don't know what the answer is. Because like if we are trying to rehabilitate people were fucking doing it all wrong way to way. I mean, our our recidivism rates are off the charts. Norway's the lowest in the world. So so so if we want to rehabilitate people were doing things are wrong way. What a punish people, but good? We are actually kind of like half assing it because you can you can get a lot worse times in prison. You can you can there's really so it's a bit. It's like it's we got this weird kind of limping on where we try to pretend to to. To respect these prisoners rights. But we don't do any kind of research. We don't do any kind of AB testing. I mean, I was one of the shocking things that came out of the serial podcast. I was listening to the fact that. Not only are people not like harvesting, the data like, okay, this judge sentences people to this many years in prison, this judge sentences the Y minute years, which is better. Like, let's track. Not only. Do we not analyze the data? We don't even collect that data. Judge do whatever the fuck. They want with sentencing guidelines, and then no one actually studies to see well did this actually lower the recidivism rate. And these are the things I was thinking as I was watching this movie to like, I mean prison probably has not changed very much other than there's a hell of a lot more gangs, and there's television and internet, but everything else the violence the killings rapes and stuff like I seems like we are still having that that that done. Yeah. Seems like our criminal Justice system is pretty regressive. What there's also like this like the warden gets the bright idea that he essentially has a slave labor force, and he can start not only undercutting people. But but like getting like he doesn't even have to do the work. He can like, you know, put in as low ball. I did have someone bribe with the pie and the five thousand dollars. And there you go like. You know with the with with the pro for four profit prisons, and like, you know, the prisoners building things and getting paid like a dollar an hour like in California something to happen this late summer. And fall was the fact that the prison firefighters the force firefighters are getting paid a dollar an hour. And no, no no compensation. Like oh. For every day. You spin out in the field. You get a month off your sentence of some just like, Nope. You get a dollar an hour to compensate your time like that's pretty fucked up. And can you have that kind of system without the ensuing corruption? If you have slave labor force society says, hey, this is okay. In fact, we actually carved out an exception and amendment to ban slavery to like, oh, yeah. You can still have slaves as long as they've been deprived of their liberty through some sort of due process. Is there any way to do that without there being corruption? New you wanna talk about a perverse incentive to send people to prison, right? There. You go. Yeah. I think you can it's called massive oversight. Over those programs and super transparency like it all has to it all has to be regulated and monitored constantly. But here's the thing. Like, I feel like the problem is if you have a per you haven't intellect this sits and says, look, we've got all this labor force. I know what we can do we can put them to work, and they had no say in what they do. And they have no say in their pay like you can oversight that ause much as you want. But it's like still immoral. You know, like there's lots of oversight in the Nazi concentration camps. It's just that. They were overseeing exactly how they were originally ran exactly how they're supposed to be like I almost feel like it's the to like this is wrong versus oh. Well, we can make it right? If we do it in a particular way, it's like they're fundamentally incompatible principles. But I was wondering like did Stephen King smart enough to know that that he right this warden as like a particular evil person that was taken advantage of the situation or? Z saying that no matter what a person starts off with that. If they have all these incentives that you're eventually going to turn bloody minded. Yeah. I do think that he has a deft touch with the rest of it. So he's probably got some of those things in mind when he's writing and by extension. Frank Darabont probably does as well. I I would have to like look at this movie as a whole and say, they have a pretty solid understanding of the principles that govern. Our incarceration system. Right. I mean, they had a pretty good handle on it in this movie, and it was holistic it wasn't just like, oh, here's one aspect to prison life that we'd you really need to crack down on. It was like look this is the life of a prisoner. The underground economy is is the quote unquote industry of the prisons. So yeah, I I think they did a pretty good job touching all the bases. Here. You know? And I feel like that this is a very beloved movie. I know this movie didn't make a ton of money when came to like, essentially doubled its budget. But it's budget was only like twenty four million dollars. But since it's like it gets on everybody's top five list. But I just I'm constantly amazed at how much of America really looks up to shows like the wire and says The Shawshank Redemption is like really really touched them and made. But yet, no changes, really like, it's nobody nobody not only is it like, there's no kind of voice on the other side saying, hey, should we change some of this stuff? But it seems like it's always it's still very popular to be this kind of. Quote, unquote, tough on crime. No, I think that's where like that romanticized vision of prison. Life comes in where the essentially have what amounts to like a bromance in movie light. This is a weird kind of dichotomy of movie where the film wants to talk about the series prison issues, and it wants you to think about them. But it also more importantly wants you to just get engrossed in the story of these two people find friendship through prison and hope and kind of carry each other through the experience. It's that's what I'm talking about. When I say, it's like those people who you're talking about look at this movie and say, it's great, but don't think about the consequences in our actual society. They're brought in by the romanticized part of it. And in fact, the Andes victory is so total and complete and righteous almost like it's got this weird thing because someone can achieve and overcome and bring it down or. This idea that like that's the inevitable outcome for people like, you know, warden Norton, or whatever the hell his name was wherein. Like, I think it's the exact opposite, however, much corruption you undercover in society. There's probably ninety percent more that you don't see. It's tip of the iceberg. Getting caught literally the dumbest criminal or the one that got a little too, greedy or forgot to grease the right palm. Like, I it's the the the way the story would usually goes, I think guy like Andy gets. He gets mind of all this, usefulness. When he finally gets a stiff backbone, it doesn't care who gets hurt, and you just bump him off to the same way to everybody else. Yeah. Because that's like, you know, this movie has a definite turn in emotional in the emotional tale. And that's sweet kind of like delic- romanticized version of prison. Life comes to an end when you win win. Andy has the are you being up to speech because like, you know, I mean, I it's hard to say because like I said we've already seen guys paralyzed and put the hospital for weeks raved all the time. But like, you know, when the when the word and goes out there, and like discerns the truth from this kid after India's just bus disaster, get GD and an in a fair world. Andy would be starting to get like a second trial because he's exactly right like the country club will have this guy. There's there's actually there's no evidence yet. But if you start pulled there will be and the warden has a man shot and then framed as an escape, and it's like men within these four walls as warden is God, there's no way you could ever displace them from that point forward. The like, the romance is kind of out of the movie and Andy kind of looks like a broken, man. And they do that interesting reveal where I thought I was going to watch another like the first time I saw this. I thought oh God, I'm bracing for a Braveheart where like sacrifice himself on the altar of. Yeah. To bring down the word, and he's going to hang himself with a copy of the book, you know, just a moral victory. Yeah. When actually loses everything exactly and like, they'll be a new warden and they'll chase things. We'll be a little bit different. And but no in fact, and that's another thing is like, I guess I didn't see the escape coming. Because like I remember clearly thinking that he's getting six foot, and and Morgan Freeman plays that the longest night in my life so perfectly and then the guard coming and Andy is like it's like the idea that he would escape I did not immediately gotten onto. And it's like I said go and watching and watching this again, and then seeing all like exactly the point where he started thinking. Oh, I can I can I could break out of here with enough time, persistence, and all that all he's got his time. Yeah. I think my favorite part of the movie is in retrospect when Andy tells read, hey, there's this thing that I want you to find. Out in this field with the long rock row and the tree the oak tree and after finishing the movie you realize oh shit. Andy actually hadn't placed that there until after he escaped from prison. Right. So this is like he's preemptively telling him to go pick up something that doesn't exist yet. Right. And. It makes me wonder what would have happened if Andy got killed or during the escape or if he had not escaped and been thrown in the hole, and maybe Andy and red never speak again or he's transferred. Like, there's a lot of things that could have gone wrong with that plan. But I love the idea that he told him about it before it existed. Well, I also because because I I was thinking about that too. And I was thinking one of the things that this story does regardless of whether an Andy dies or not is it gives red thing hope to hold onto exactly like something the leg. This is the reason why you want us hold onto your whatever makes you human inside here, and you want to get out and in a reasonably sane and healthy web. Because I'm giving I'm giving you my hope essentially so like now that is pretty dark if read gets out, and he finally gets the gumption to go take this trip to the hayfield, and he gets out there. And there is no volcanic glass or. Did he kill himself at that point? Or do you think that was still strings in Milan? That's exactly what I was thinking. Like, it just depends because I totally see the Stephen King novel ending with red finding the rock or it's not being there and him realizing that oh, maybe Andy was giving me his hope and then that springboards him or I could also see him like taking the Brooks express to pre prisoner heaven. I don't I don't know. What do you think? Yeah. I feel like there's a follow up movie to this. If Andy doesn't make it out of prison to place that note that is probably just read wandering the earth looking for that field. Like, oh, I must have been the one, right? Yeah. How many Buxton's are there in the right state? And he says is a lot of hay fields up there. And he's not like this one turns out, he's he's a banker. He would know. Hey, fields from no. Yeah. You know, the French lingerie. So let me. Fucked under a tree in one. Yeah, he disliked. This turns out all hayfield to have those stone fences, and it's real. But I don't know because I saw a lot of talk about this being broadly, Christian allegory. You know with Andy bean, the Christ figure in red bean as apostle, and, you know, Andy going through metaphorical death, which was Christian which then he went to prepare a place for his disciple and paradise which was the place of Mexico. How can something not be broadly Christian allegory, the stories encompassed in Christianity are essentially the stories encompassed in humanity. So what the fuck even talking about? It's kind of like the same thing with the hero's journey, you know, some of these things have. So like like I've seen Dan Harmon take getting a frozen yogurt as a trip to see the goddess like if you can remember these broad character strokes into so. Yeah, anything involves self-sacrificing redemption. As personal- gory. Yeah. But I I wonder like if the Christian allegory would work even better if Andy actually did die, and the salvation that red got was more, spurious, spiritual or psychological and not actually physical. Yeah. Maybe everybody thinks Andy's dead in prison, but he comes back three days later. And now he's like, I don't know in their cells talking to them, and they're like where did you come from dead? Right. He comes behind the rear dining halls. Enemy says your finger jam your hammer in this whole. Yeah. Not that one do you? So I think this movie is pretty perfect from a. From a script from a from a casting from an acting. My only I it's so perfect that I can't help fuck with it. Right. Do you think that this movie would be stronger, if we don't follow read down to Mexico, like if he wins if it ends like red in the field reading because I love everything about Morgan Freeman's performance like the whole like the he sees all that money, and suddenly he likes shifts down below the wall or looks over shoulders. Like, this is like some trick. Right. The warden's behind the trees. I you fucker emerging got a receipt for that money. I love everything about it. But like going down to Mexico is nice because you see the Indies made it, and you see how beautiful it is. And you see them in and brace. And but it is it's almost a little too. Sweet. Like, I feel like I'm getting the money and the letter and like buying a bus ticket is kinda wear if I was cutting the movie, I would have I would have ended. Yeah. No. I'm telling you. For a movie about a prisoner rape and institutionalization and exploitation of. What amount to slaves? Yeah. I think this movie is pretty second shockingly, so especially in its ending. Well, let's talk about the concept of institutionalization because like the thing that Brooks wrote about is he'd been there like over fifty years, right? And he's got his bird and he's got this library job. He gets out now grocery boy, but he's got arthritis, and he can't hear so well and also the idea that like so we start this story in the lay Earl. Early fifties. Right. And this guy didn't forty seven. Yeah. Forty-seven to at least ninety or sixty six rather. So this I think they establish a Brooks have been in prison for like like like forty almost fifty years by the time. He's released which means he he mentioned like when he went in. There was hardly any cars at all. And now it's like like, it's very rare that that that technology changes that much while you're inside. It's almost like it time machine. Dude. I can't even imagine going to prison right now and stepping out fifty years later, right? What would the world look he wouldn't recognize anything? But it's a lot of thing. It's a lot easier to keep up with what's going on. Whereas like, I magic like in the forties. Why would you read a newspaper in prison, you know? And like what there's there's very limited television. So you're not actually seeing the cities and everything changed like you maybe here radio show, but like the walking out now the big steel beasts like in the road. And like you gotta watch out. He might get ran over like that kind of stuff. I wonder if. Would change. Because now I feel like prisoners have cell phones and the internet, and it's a lot easier to stay connected that way the stay. You know, like like the stay informed. If you want to be maybe got like Brooks wouldn't wanna be. Yeah. I think you can stay intellectually informed. But having a feel for society at all, right? I doubt you would you would understand anything when you got out. Like, I think it's very different to read about cellphones. And what they are and how site easing them versus actually having one in your hand, and like understanding on a on a visceral level, what this thing is or just how to talk to people now like how things have changed from the sixties to now versus how people interact with each other on a daily basis and how that's going to change next with years. Like, I said I- institutionalization is an interesting concept because it refers to a lot of different things like the idea that you forget. You know, you've been told for fifty years win to go to bed when these two bathroom, windy, eat what the eat everything is rigidly controlled. And you go fifty years later, and you're an old, man. And now no-one no-one not only does no one keep tabs over you. But normally gives a fuck, you know, you're just kind of an inconvenience in everyone's life and think about like, especially your old man, and like all of your friends back in the day. No one's kept up with you'd probably most of them are dead. Like, it's you're just like your like fry from futurama. You just come out of this frozen time box and try to relate to the world. And it's almost inevitable that if you're in that scenario for fifty years, you're gonna be institutionalized. It's almost impossible to avoids at least in my mind. I thought that was so poignant about reds final parole hearing because like you could see the one after twenty years, and he's like he's like, you know, he's like spit shine himself, and he's like really prepared and he's like trying to get all the right answers and in thirty years, and then a forty years. He he has kind of been institutionalized. He just doesn't give us shit anymore. Like my best years like I'm going to get out of here. And I was too late for me to get a woman. It's too late for me to have a meaningful job. I never gonna own a house like fuck it. And then they approve him. It's almost like. And I know this can't literally be what it's like. But this parole board is almost like has this person been utterly broken if not decline if so approve and the approvals are going to be destined to meet, no good ins. Yeah. But I think the thing I know you're you're obviously being a little facetious there. But the the thing that gets read out alternately, I think is his acknowledgement of being very different person from when he was younger and committed those crimes, and I think that's the thing that does it with the board. They're like, okay. He fundamentally understands it. You know, something about his actions before that he no longer agrees with well. See that's what I was one of the things I was thinking about as as well. Watching this movie and like thinking about the Norwegians is like what is the use of more than like a twelve year prison sentence? Like, do you understand like what what a huge punishment? That is to have like twelve years of your life. Does vacuum the way. I mean, it doesn't make up for killing a person. But there's literally nothing you can do to do that other than just be killed yourself at a very mosaic covenant kind of life for lifetime away. I got it. I got it. Here's what we do. We employ the slave labor in our prison system to come up with a way to resurrect people. There we educate we highly educat- them the murderers out if you can bring them back. Right, right. But you know, what? I mean, like it's like what for sure there's nothing you can do to make up for that. Yeah. And like open your own death doesn't pay for that. And penalty that's like like like the difference between twelve years and fifth years to a human mind is probably like fuck it like, you know. I mean, I guess you'd rather have twelve and fifty especially if you're teenagers. I I could get out but the time but still like eighteen looking at. Twelve years you're going to be thirty years old, which when I remember being eighteen I figured that was the end of the live, right? And if Prisma thin where you're right, we're getting education and not just an education in like since a GED or trade, but like education, and like, this is how society works. This is how civics works. This is why you're in this place. And this is how you can avoid it like life skills relation deescalation things like that. Because I mean, you just keep coming back to like what a high percentage of us, particularly Americans are in prison. The compared to the rest of the world we got like what a fifth of the world's prison population and like twelfth of the actual population. And I mean read is left to his own devices to come up with the conclusion that his actions were wrong, right? There's no guidance there. There's no understanding as to. You know, what these people need to help them along that? There's simply here's time. Think about what you did. Right question. Mark get out, but without books without curriculum without access professional help with that access to you know, it's yeah. You could just as easily see him extraordinarily bidder. Feeling like, he's been shafted. And pissed off at every year. Sure. That's not how he ends up. But it could be right. And that's what I'm saying. Like, it's almost like if you like if you keep someone in prison much longer than a dozen years, you might as well keep them in prison for life. Because how how it seems like institutionalization is the rational. You know is rational approach that kind of life imprisonment like you like, whatever part of you. It's like the independent creative spirit that you went in with has got to be extinguished or you go mad. So I I mean, I don't know there's a lot of times like cop out and said, I don't have any answer. But maybe I don't. But like, I feel like people do and the fact that no one is really studying this and keeping data on it and trying new things out. And hey, look at what's going on in Scandinavia. Can we try these places? Can we try try these these these policies, and and you know, just just experiment with it? And see what happens because my God. Can we get worse outcomes than we already? Have. We already have people locked up than anyone else. We also when the highest recidivism repeat offender, we have some of the harshest penalties in world like, okay, we if we're not ready to try something else. Then we're saying that we're fine with the system we guy and I'm not for damn sure. Yeah there. There's also a lot of stuff in here on that theme of hope that I found really compelling emotionally like savoring these small pleasures. When Andy plays that record he sacrifices. He makes a big sacrifice for the rest of his fellow prisoners to get a fleeting, momentary pleasure. And some that are straight up just confused by like, they don't understand it. But Andy's giving in that gift of sacrificing his own freedom. What little bit of it? He has left. And I think that was interesting and then later on when he gives read that harmonica. There's a moment where red looks at it. And he doesn't fucking know what to do with it. He's like Andy says, hey, play something. He's no I can't because that represents hope to him that represents a time when he was not in prison. Therefore, there could be a time when he gets out of prison. He's one think about that. So I feel like those moments were really just good emotionally resonant moments. Yeah. And that's that's good life advice like the idea that you sometimes can't controlled the setting that you're in, but you can control your attitude like. Those are all poignant when Riina there on the roof, slinging tar, and Andy has through some guile and daring one them a bucket of beer, and they're like, you know, we could be helping buddy out with their roof for the hell it could be our own roof that we're doing. We're just like we're all living like free men, and when he'd to start with the classical music where for a few brief Vincent's every man here was free. Yeah. Those are like I feel like those are great. Those are great life. Those are trying to teach your great life lessons that you know. Yeah, it's something you could see in a war movie. Right. Like, the fighting forces getting up out of the trenches and going and partying on Christmas day or like sure they're those small pleasures within a truly grim situation. Keep people going, right? And that's the thing. Like if you are in. I know a lot of people feel stuck in situations especially nowadays with so many economic hardships. But like this movie says anything like the Dow the whole idea, I remember like it really hit me like thunderstruck, the whole you gotta get busy living or get busy dying. That I do kinda feel like that. Like, no matter. What situation you're stuck in? There's always something you can pick like, maybe it's learning to play her Monica, or maybe it's chip and Roxy chip in going out, and chip and rocks or like exploring your city on foot and seeing like what I mean, there's there's there's a goal that that can be set and work towards because if you're not going to do that then you are at best dying and slow motion, right? Yeah. You know, if you're not learning or growing, a you don't have anything to look forward to even as modest as the thing that you're looking forward to may be then that's where like when people say the years are flying by like all you blink. And you're an old like, that's that's what happens. That's that's that's what happens. So i've. I don't know. That's a big I that that's fly philosophy has gotten me into a lot of trouble in this life. But it's also led me to where the where Emma now because I do I want to say that what I'm hearing things like why wouldn't you? I'm curious though. I say I'm coming to inclusion that like I because. People always ask me like why did you make this exchange big change your life? And like you can say it's not like one big thing. It was like, you know, reading one thousand nine hundred four in high school. But I think that this movie was one of it because I remember when I, you know, I don't think it's the first time that like when I was here in my mid to late twenties and feeling like I was the same age as this character in kind of a situation where I felt stuck not by bars. But by like the social situation, I put myself into like, well, I can do this literally until the day I die. That's all. It's going to be. I've seen everything I've seen everything. My life is capable of except for maybe my son will marry somebody and they'll have kids and that'll be something. But that'll be the literally the only thing I have to look forward to until I die because I don't even believe in this paradise crap anymore. And you know, so I better I better try something else. But so, yeah, I I think that this movie was one of those Fulcrums that kind of helped me lift myself out of that situation. I have a couple of questions about this movie. A all right. Why do they call them read? It's not his Irish heritage come on. I think his name is actually. Has red or something? Yeah. Yeah. Alfred I'm going to look at and I'm going to look it up because he's credited as. I don't know keep what was your head. No. It's not read Radic Radic. Maybe. Okay. Yeah. Can you see in the dark? No, no, that's a different. That's that's. I I was curious as to why they do call them red. And he gives a flippant response covered in blood the night the cops she takes him up. Maybe from navy honky keeled Nevada one I do also have some questions about the prisoner economy here that red is running. I don't understand how you can profit from this this rock Aamer deal. I really don't. Because look it costs him what? Eight dollars seven seven eight dollars to get the rock hammer in the first place. He charges Andy Tan, but then in order to deliver the rock hammer he gives away three packs of cigarettes. But they got to imagine those were at least a buck each in sees no fucking way. Yeah pack. He's probably making less than twenty percent on the whole deal. Just in in the cost of transferring item to him. Packet cigarettes is twenty five cents in the nineteen. Fifties. Damn that's crazy. Because apparently that puts a little bit more spin on it. Yeah. That's a little more a two cartons of cigarettes. Yeah. It's interesting because I listened to some of The Shawshank Redemption Hayworth, and The Shawshank Redemption, the original king story, I've read that too. And he talks about the prisoner is making ten cents an hour. So so you can you can you can essentially make your smoking habit. And then some you can you can get a four pack a day habit on your just your salary. Yeah. They make a big deal about like Andy had four drinks a year. And he saved up all year. He had like five hundred bucks coming in. He was so weird was originally economy is like the currency is also used like like, the dollar Bill has no intrinsic us if unless you're going to, you know, rolled snort stuff with. The scale is so small, but like you don't you don't smoke a dollar Bill for pleasure now and like with cigarettes can't fuck dollar like it's both a currency. But it's also a good. It's almost like, you know, in the Romans paid out in salt, right? Oh, by the way, he's named red because his name is Ellis reading reading. Okay. There you go. I knew we just gonna tell you name it probably just fucking with them. Right. Do you think? I mean, that's another thing is by the end of the movie, surely he knows his actual the why he's called read. I would assume. So yeah, that's the one thing that read held back in reserve. I mean, Andy and not ready to handle the truth about last name read seemed to know everything about everybody else. So if he didn't never have to give up his real name to get that info kudos him. Right. But I guess he gets people things. Is it believes so? When I was talking about the stakes and I realize there is like some genuine tension win the warden comes into recruit Andy for his cooking the books scheme. Right. And he's standing right there in front of Cody is going through his bible, and all that stuff that we know is just like there's this gaping hole behind there. There's a rock hammer in this thing. All that. Start thinking about like the stakes and that's our thinking what are the odds that this guy's in prison for just under twenty years, and they never assign him to different cell. Yeah. Like your toilet never blocked Bach backed up. They never had the paint in there. They never had like I felt like that. There is no way that a twenty year plus tunneling project. I guess it's more like a fourteen year tunneling project. There's no way that that would actually be able to happen in any kind of era of prison because it's just too like, maybe you could do it for a month. Maybe could do it for six weeks. Maybe you could do it for the better part of a year. But twenty years nothing ever going wrong. No one ever. No, no, soft shooed gum shooed. Screw bent. Screw comes walking down while you're you're hammering away back there like nut. You never a a bigger than average slab falls and clatters to the floor. Like, nothing nothing. Really? Yeah. That's fair point. But narrative, it's a moving the movie worked, and I feel like that. That's part of like, maybe you're supposed to understand that about Andy is that he this is this is about just as as much about him keeping hope alive as it is about an earnest escaped attempt. Do you think that do you think that that this is like well it nothing else? I'll get out when the tunnel is complete and that just keeps him busy like in. Because like even said when the red was talking about Gaza, they'll kinds of ways to keep your mind occupied when they're like reviewing escape attempt. It just so happens that the the warden bone him over as he was completing the tunnel project. Yeah. No. I I think that is Andy storyline is keeping hope alive in the face of this adversity. And it's it it permeates every aspect of his history. And thereby the film. I mean, this is Andy's story. Yeah. The scape itself. I thought it was like it's just it's just the way it the way it's filmed is just so perfect. Because it's got Morgan Freeman who turns out as a damn fine. Narrating narration of anything he can make penguins fucking in subzero. Temperatures of interesting and moving these narrating this guy like the whole crawled through five hundred yards shit smelling foulness that I can't even imagine and hit like Andy's victory is so complete like by the time he's walking into that Bank with the shiny shoes and the clothes, and you know, exactly what's going to happen. But still pleasurable to hear Morgan Freeman. Like this man, who's never existed walked into Bank one day and cleaned it out for three hundred seventy five thousand it's it's it's it's just really good everything about it. Like, I already talked about Fred. Or not Fred read finding the rock and reading the letter and like taking the money out. How effecting that was man. Can we talk about do you? I mean one thing that's about as Frank Darabont in general. And we'll talk about the company that made this film, and that those might be a good package. Okay. I think Frank der. It's I mean, I don't want to turn this into another. What what could be what the Walking Dead could have been? But like this and like the green mile. The did the midst to or was it. Okay. Like, these all have these kind of moments of whether it's creepy where this horrific whether it's spooky whether it's like uplifting. He's got these deaf handles on these emotional moments. And I do kinda wanna what if like what if Fred their bond was given double the budget. To your like if I was AMC executive. I ought to give him four times the money to make twice as many episodes. Never right. They gave them the same amount of money to make twice as many episodes. And that's what caused the problem. But like Jesus Christ. I still sometimes kind of like as much as I can weep over television weep over to factor. Frank Darabont wasn't allowed to tell his vision. Because like this first season wasn't perfect. But it did deliver some actual genuine tear, some actual genuine suspense and some really interesting character moments, and they really ran away from that in the seasons to come. And it's a damn shame. How often do you get a a person of this caliber to want to helm your stupid zombie comic book film, especially early on the golden era? Yeah. Age of television. Like that was one of the first shows coming up that had the pedigree that it did. Right. And it's the things like nowadays like bringing over movie directors from the and. Lean writers from the big screen. Small screen was a huge deal. And then take everything's. He's got this kind of every very muted and understated way of doing everything just from the selection of film stock to the way he he shoots it. It's not it's not too conservative is exactly what it needs to be. Like, you watch these one of Walking Dead. And it's it's all there. And like you said like nowadays. It's like I got the opposite problem where it's hard for me to hear a concept that I'm like, well, that's just never going to work on television nowadays because it can be anything like if you get the right crew, the right actors the right script, the right filmmaker you can make anything look good. It'd be interesting but back in the day this like adapting is black and white cult kind of classic comic book about zombies and the apocalypse and all that stuff was fucking risky deal. And I still just I don't understand. Why why that happens? You wanna talk about council rock because they thought they could make more money by given him the short into stick. Well, you know, what they made it piss pot full of money at the end. They did achieve one of JD made a lot of money of the Walking Dead. But they lost a lot of goodwill. I would I would say that they could have made even more money if they'd made a actual good show. Yeah. Probably that ran a tight eight to ten years and his out. But what do I know because then people might be like actually interested in spin off some instead of them being circling shit drain to you wanna talk about Castlerock, so Castlerock entertainment is you might recognize that name from some Stephen king's other works, right? Like, I think this is the fictional town where the fictional place. I don't even know if it's just a town that Stephen King sets a lot of his stuff in. It's interesting to me. And I read the entire Wikipedia page for Castlerock entertainment, because I was like, oh man that show Castlerock is associated with St. raining, right? Is his production company? Like is this is he part of this turns out? No, he's not any part of Castle Rock entertainment, which shocked me because in the first paragraph of the Wikipedia page. They say Castlerock entertainment is a tribute to Stephen king's stuff, and it was like. Do they just lift Stephen king's copyright here and name their company that and can they do it? And I meant to go look this up and try and find like interviews of Stephen King talking about Castlerock entertainment before the podcast by didn't have time. Because I'm curious what his thoughts are on them, essentially, stealing the name of this town and using it as a quote unquote tribute. Yeah. When we were doing a little bit of pre podcast, you hit me this trivia, and I'm like, that's like someone like the guy that film, the first chronicles of narnia coming back with like Azlan productions or narnia productions like can you do that you rip the I mean, this is not public domain shit. This is is not proper name. It's it's a name of fictional town. That you just now if it's just the name and the logo is like a lighthouse, right? So they've oats like a main. But maybe like it's not like maybe you can do that. I mean, I guess you can they got away with it. I mean, you're getting away with it for thirty years. Forty years now. I don't know. Right. I mean, you're talking to the guy wrote a book called gods of thrones. With the giant. We're would the face carved on the cover and like. Call it winter fell though sure that's a harder side. Or if they had like, a an illustration of Sean bean as on it like, yeah, they're written by winter fell king's landing. Yeah. The name the name and especially since the association because the. Reiner is one of the principals at this company. Like, this was he did this either before or after he made the stand by me, just based on another Stephen King works. So like, you can't even like plead off. I have no idea. What's that? Like. Yeah. You just cheerfully admit, I don't know. Maybe Stephen King liked. Like, the two I didn't see any. It's so weird. Because if you go look for the shining, like Stephen king's opinion of the shining is defined fact if you like just hurt search for like, the shining movie on the front page, you'll get some sort of interview with him where he shitting on it, and Kubrick, and all that I and get that from my stand by me or Shawshank Redemption. So maybe he's pleased with it and he likes Reiner. And he's cool with the I will say, I think this movie is the most successful king adaptation. So I don't know how you wanna define success. If you wanted to find success as dollar bills, y'all are bills, then no. Because like I said this had a budget of like twenty four million in a made like fifty six hundred theaters. But if you want to talk about in terms of accolades, I just looked up on Wikipedia, and it was nominated for seven Academy Awards, Dan. The most rainy Stephen King king film adaptation, there you go. So if you want to say by critical success, then this is more. This is more successful than than than anything else. He's done. Pet cemetery being a possible exception if it comes out and blows arise doors off. Oh, the new one. Yeah. Okay. Found out another a little piece of trivia while I was doing my research for this. Because I kept looking at that mugshot of red. And I'm like man that doesn't really look like red. Is it John eighteen year old Morgan Freeman? 'cause I had wondering that too. No, it's apparently his son. Oh, so. Okay. Yeah. Because it didn't not look like him. Right. It just didn't look like him. Yeah. It didn't quite look like I thought a young Morgan Freeman would look, but it's son. Right, right. That was pretty cool. Nice. Nice detail. I feel like it was a little weird that read got put into the exact same house and job that Brooks was in. When he got out why I said that was like halfway house. Like, that's like it's purposes to it. Yes. So right. But how many ex cons go through the system in any given the fact that got the same room, right? But it's like, I guess I will allow that kind of coincidence job at the same grocer. Oh, yeah. It's a little convenient. But I get the point they're making that's the whole system. They don't like they they wait for the guy to get released. That's what the do they if they have a slot open in that room. They release a person, and they count on a fact that they're gonna kill themselves within a week like grocery store manager to just the right superior attitude. To to make these men feel dehumanize. So they hang themselves. It gives them too much freedom all I can piss whenever I want candle. It right done. Yeah. Don't have to ask me when you go piss like, well, what are the rules fucker because I don't get to choose when a double bag and back things myself. It's true. Yeah. I feel like we both talked and didn't talk enough about the library stuff that he's building. Because it's idea of hope. The Andy is preserving throughout the film is also something that he's trying to spread to others. And he does that by, you know, setting up the programs within the prison that allow other prisoners to see a light at the end of that tunnel wrote the library being the main, you know. You know thing they are. But also Tommy when he comes in like, there's this obvious. It's to call it like a, hey, Tommy as his pet project is little condescending. It's more like this is something I can do for this person because throughout the whole film. He seems to be wanting to help people in other as much as he didn't want the beer. He just wanted the serene satisfaction of seeing his his his his boys. Drink beer. Yeah. Yeah. You don't do it for him. He's doing it for. No. I like it. I think like look that's also part of what makes this saccharin film. Right. But I think there's a good message. They're like. I'm very much in the Andy camp like I think keeping hope alive through all of the tribulations. And we're seeing a lot of it now, and our current society keeping hope alive is a good thing. And an important thing. I think there's a there's even I think you're exactly right because the the warden gave the list of punishments to keep Indian line because he's saying like whenever you're threatening someone you usually do lead to strong stuff or do you start off with the the worst stuff? And then you know, you like I'm going to split your penis in half and poor limb and juiston it, and then I'm going to sign you up for every spam Email. I can think of like, no, you always go with the the big lead, the split, penis lemon juice last. Right. Sure. So he has like all this thing. Like, you're going to lose your spacious one bedroom, and you're going to be thrown to the rape gangs. And you're going to spend time in solitary and also. I'm going to your library, burned them, all and dance. I like that's the thing. That would say that was the hammer. That's like everything that you've worked for for years. Like a decade the make these lot because I don't even give it shit about your own life. But you do give shit about all these other guys because you're Christ figure and I'm going to. So like, yeah. Even the film itself says they like Andy is way more into everybody else in the knee is until until that all has taken from him. And then he escapes. Yeah. Then it turns. He's he's now man on a mission to take down the powers that be right? I did find it funny that the guy the ward in whose name is warden Norton, which is a fucking funny name, then it's a rural drug. Warden? He apparently finds out about this arrest before the cops show up like it's in the fucking newspaper before the cops show up your way to go. Good job. Police force you're on task to keep them leaks were happening, right? And that's the other funny thing is like he reads a newspaper none of his because like this this involved every prison official in the state like seriously, no one called him before. Then or no one hit him off. Like right now. It's weird over constructive constructed moment. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's time to load is the other thing. I d- other thing that really pissed me off. I thought the war and got off easy letting him blow his head off that didn't then stick, right? I was hoping that he would like 'cause I I'd actually forgotten the whether he died or not I was like because what I wanted to happen is him like fumbling the load and just be incompetent in the guys kick down the door and like getting out that easy. But then again, I'm volunteer to classical American victim of like, I don't want the world to be better. And I don't want this man to change just wanting to punish his heart last weekend. Yeah. Punish him? But I don't know. There's always a uniquely evil person needs to be punished extra special. And it's like that's other weird thing about American prison culture has feel like that. It's a one size fits all. But it's for the worst. Like, they're like our culture is designed to contain lex Luther unless you have money. Let's you have money you can just go to the other whole thing five between like vice crime and crimes of passion and blue collar crime, the white collar crime has also super unconscionable. Yeah. Like, you can destroy a million people's retirement accounts and get two years fucked up thing, I bet but you fuck and person in a bar fight and you life in prison. The fuck. At least until the cons take over the airplane. Nearly destroying a million people's retirements objectively worse than killing one person. No, that's a fucked up thing like he could have been running a massive multibillion dollar Ponzi scheme as the banker that he was before I got thrown into prison, and he wouldn't have gotten the time probably anytime, but certainly not the time that he got for murdering two people. Well, there's like that fucker in Arizona that Joe are Pyo like if only this warden knew that if he just got out in front of it and said God damn rod I- brutalize these criminals and made money over. I'm living American dream like he could have ran for president. He didn't have to blow his head off. He could have been the rap become a popular hero months of certain public list here. Yeah. Certain certain segments society and probably been state Senator and whatever. What main? Yeah. You fucked up fucked up war Norton. Yeah. Yeah. If you had a name as easier to say because nobody's going to put out of that's true. Yeah. His campaign his shot from the what he did. I like what he did those queers and color, folks. But his name I can't say damned if I could say his name. He he's like, I'm eating a mouthful of marbles and peanut vinyl. I'm using that outrageous southern accent? When this took place in Maine. Whatever the whatever the the lobster chowder version of that that accent would be not even gonna try it not. I don't have a good handle on a main accident or any for that matter. What else I think it's at all right, man. Taurean? Thank you for commissioners podcast. This was a fun. When the watch fun wanna talk about. We'll be back next week for another commission to get out of the way and also just on a note on commissions. I do also some people have mentioned that. 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The final wrap-up on the 2020 growing season

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Please do and Reactions being a pioneer seeds from the chat yesterday with Mr tyson about the the punish soybeans and the Ultra low lynn olympic Healthier soybean oil for cooking at is seen a huge increase in demand during covid nineteen and so need some more acres those for next year both from excitement perspective about what that means for the consumer but also in some of the areas where the processing facilities are set up the opportunity for some premium For growers as well. It's good to talk to doug. Hansen here has always president hurts real estate services. Good friend at the big show as we wrap up harvest and of course talk about. Acreage is for next year concerns going into next year and all of that good stuff. Hey doug what's going on today and andy Kind of a change in weather from a week ago seventy degrees and week ago with a brief degrees outside this born. Yeah yeah it's sunny out there but it is certainly chilly in fact as sale of earlier. got this h- hawkeye proud. Two thousand and five graduate which you know nobody else in a very few at least or or hawkeye fan. So i take my share at grief just for that but anyway I've got this thing here to try and keep warm today. I have gotten grief from almost everybody on the zoom meetings smartening about wearing a university of illinois graduate. Yeah i don't hold that in high regard. Well we can talk We can talk football at some point. I suppose but let's talk. Let's talk agriculture. Here now had to wrap up harvest for us across your wide territory doug Iowan in illinois would you see. Yeah and actually. I had a conference call with the with the majority of our offices here this morning from nebraska through Kind of icee getting over to eastern illinois and indiana and you know. I think i would call it There are pockets of really good. But i think by large. It's been an average year. There are places that were below average slightly Especially in the western corn belt. Where you know the you know. The drought situation just Took a toll on things in july and august. We were sitting really good But the drought in july and august just didn't finish this crop very well and and you get over in illinois. Things are maybe a little bit better and not home. Homerun crop But if it if western corn belt was average to slightly below average i think eastern corn bell would be on opposite into that gail where the average to slightly above average the further east. You go and you know. Northern illinois had some of the duration damage but nothing like watt central iowa had So i think by and large illinois maybe a little better production year than i certainly than what iowa did in ece flip-flopped year ago because a year ago and twenty nineteen. We had just tens of thousands of free that plan acres over illinois because it was so wet so Yeah kind of a role reversal this year. From what we what we had a year ago. is that true. Both corn and soybeans. Doug yeah it was a and being over in illinois with a guy Kind of down south champagne illinois the way on the eastern side of the state i was with him in In early to mid september he was just starting to combine soya beans in combined with him. One day and yield monitor was bouncing between seventy-five and eighty bushel acre. And i i kind of thought to myself. That's pretty good. And i asked him how he was feeling about it. And he said you know We've had three tenths of an inch of rain since the first of august so imagine if we would have finished because he would have been looking at eighty five ninety dean Wi without question so it. It was good but being informed but it was not a home. Run over there Above you know lightly. Above average by enlarge. But i don't think anybody said any records this year just because we didn't. We didn't finish it the way that we would have hoped to if we would have caught one or two extra rain mother. Nature is still in charge. There's no doubt about that We've been reminded several times of that. So then what do you. What are some of the conversations. You're hearing about the next growing season more more soybean acres maybe particularly in these debates show damage to times. Well i think there's without question in central iowa that's going to be the case just because all the down porn So yeah from a chemical program. People are going to have to Do something maybe a little different than what they would do. If they're heavy corn on corn folks You know and the bean market come alive here in the last sixty days. I mean we've put. We've we've had a nice rally in corn too. I mean almost a buck on born. But i mean we're two or three dollars stronger on roy bean's than what we were In mid august and nine dollars being sounded pretty good team of people mid summer and he looked on the board. Now and you're being eleven fifty and so yeah being are looking For you no practical reason the with the down corn but also financial reasons from a market perspective there you know they're looking pretty favorable. And and that's obviously that plays a tug of war in foreign market and the battle for acres and so i think being are are dragging maybe the corn market a little higher right now and i. I will say indy. This is probably One of those where i. I'm just feeling and in hearing and seeing more optimism from people in the countryside than what we've seen for a while. And i think that is playing out both in the rental market as well than a landmark at so. We're seeing strength and optimism and both in both at back and We've talked about earlier in the week. A couple of land sales. They had at pretty high levels to sell music means. We're out of time doug but we'll do it again soon. Thanks a lot now. Is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money. 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Happy Hour #310: Sam Collier

The Happy Hour with Jamie Ivey

58:16 min | 1 year ago

Happy Hour #310: Sam Collier

"Hey, guys you are listening to the Happy Hour Jamie. I'm Jamie and I'm your host and I'm so glad that you're here. If you like what you're listening to today, make sure you subscribe wherever you get your podcast. We bring you new shows every Wednesday, and Fridays and an amazing guests always joins me to chat about the big things in life the little things in life and everything in between subscribed today to the happy hour with Jamie Ivy on your podcast player. So you never miss an episode. Hey friends and welcome to the Happy Hour Jamie IV podcasts. I'm your host Jamie and I'm so glad you're here each week on this show I invited girlfriend to join me and we chat about the big things of. The little things in my and everything in between. Hey friends. Happy Wednesday today my guess on the happy hour is Sam Collier. Now Sam is making his debut on the happy hour as our first but not exactly first male guests on the show. It's kind of funny. We start off the show talking about this. So you're going to hear what I mean if Sam's a new person to you I'm so. Excited for you to connect with him and to learn about who he is. If you already follow Sam than you know this episode is GonNa be Awesome and it is awesome my friends Sam had a book come out just yesterday called a Raider story my rescue, your purpose and our place in God's plan you're going to want to grab your own copy. Wherever books are sold because it's an incredible story and has some helpful tips along the way for all of us understand our place in God's plan friends. If you listened last Friday on the episode with Morgan Harper Nichols, I shared with you that have some big news going out to the world today today is the big news if you want to get. All the details on what I shared text ub you that's a clue, Texas ub you two, three, three, seven, seven, seven, I'm GonNa show you the big news and we're GonNa take our friendship to the next level you guys with the text on your phone text ub you two three three, seven, seven, seven. Okay. Here's my conversation with my friend Sam Collier. Hey Sam. Welcome to the happy hour. Jamie listen. I. I just feel like is God coming back soon because this is just a miracle that ended up on I, mean this is a legendary show. Can I just I just? Paying out for a minute. Okay. So I started podcast in about two or three years ago maybe and when I first started podcasting, I would go to the Christian charts on itunes apple podcasts because that's how you act showed up a couple of times right and you're like doing that season as that I have to see who's at the top so that I can know what I'm shooting for and you always top-five consistently top on top top, top five and so. While that, I'm on the show right now and I think I'm the first male guests. Did you say that Sam Louis? This is an iconic show right here. Okay. AH, for a couple of reasons, a united been trying to do something together for a while. Be. I. Made the announcement last week. The happy hour is now accepting male contestants. Now interviewing men on the regular happy hour not on the special edition not on the whatever this is you are very first male guests congratulations, and I'm a black man. Black male I like. Your up okay. I need to backtrack because this for those longtime listeners Jamie your line to us I did have Jonathan Pitts on the show. Do you know who Jonathan pitches don't know but I'm? Black. Man. Let me just tell you. It's I see a theme here. Anyhow he's on the show because his it's a love story. My listeners will know but listen you're the very first. This is a new day at the happy. Hour Sam's on the show I'm bliss highly favored in my right it'd be. A fair. That's at right now Jamie honored to be on the show. I'm excited to have you on my show in a couple of weeks some. I. Cannot wait. Dr Nothing Nashville bringing the cameras out I mean it's going to be like GonNa be a production for Jamie IV. Right so I'm excited. Okay. Sam Tell everybody that's listening all my people. What do you do? You just put me on camera and I don't know if you know this I should let you know before we meet up in Nashville my dream job as a TV show so you might give him a big break that's all I'm saying. Tell everybody what you do yeah. I am a lack of a better phrase definitely a passer. I will say I don't know that it won't be out by them, but there's some things in the works we I was with North Point for a really long time Andy Stanley that was kind of my claim to fame. If you will andy kind of put his he let me stand on that stage I'll people always are you were you on staff? No, but I was but I wasn't okay. The way it worked is a forty thousand member massive machine six stages they have to feel every Sunday you know twenty five stages they. have to feel every. Sunday six seven campuses, and so because I'm a black man because I'm in Atlanta because they were looking to diversify over the last four years. I kinda got where while fitting in and so I would just show work on stage all of the time in any type of capacity where whether it was speaking hosting at all of the different campuses as a contractor behind the scenes. But in front of the everybody thought, it was a pastor on staff because I was on stage off the top it saw. Got It. Andy kind of put his weight behind me and it just catapulted me into so many different. From catalysts, globally, leadership summit to Orange Conference orange to allow that, and in the midst of that I started a television show radio podcasts on impact television network is on pure flix. Also, you version in our BTV and so when about one hundred, million homes weekly? That's all we got to have you on bringing the cameras out for you a hack to, and it's just say this you get me going Kobe nineteen has killed my. killed my production yeah. Oh. Yeah. We Do reruns over the summer, and so this'll be like our first time we get your own way, but they do a fresh show. This is. EXCITED AMANITA note to self to get my hair done that day Sam because listen all those people are be seeing the I'm excited. Okay. This is excited. But one thing I, I have like a list of things I want to roll through and talk to you about because you have a very interesting life. Tell me about your wife and your kids and your daughter real quick. Okay. Now, my wife have you ever seen the show scandal I know this is a Christian show. Little. Olivia Pope Libya Pope. My wife is the Christian radio. That's when. She's like she's wearing the white suit. She's got the hills on. She's doing the switch I mean she's like. It look if somebody broke into my account instagram, she figure out how to find them like she's just that person but she does the exact same thing that I do a little bit different. She works with women as well as it pertains to kind of broken heart stories just while she has this brand called broken crayons still color, and so it's kind of her life mantra if you will that you know she came through broken this and God to using her to do some amazing things. So she's at North Point is way or that or not, but I didn't even. Say IT WE ARE PLANNING A church next year in Atlanta I I cannot give any more details we are doing it with this with the brand I mean it's a big Brad. It's a new family a Andy does know about it I will say that it's not breaking news. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not break either really said it but I'm GONNA come back here firs or at least texts you and say you can announce these james but it's coming. It's casual. You don't get your wife at passion what yes I was down the side and she was with Gloria. Gloria. And they were dancing I was dancing and we've met and it was like this is good times right here. So this was a twenty twenty eventually yeah. Just a couple of months ago. So it was you down there in the foyer I was. Doing. I was down in the in the places. Yeah. I'll be. All right. There are a lot of people there. So let's Let's pretend. Okay. This is the same I want to jump in first things first is to let everyone know that you have a book that actually just released yesterday and so congratulations by the way it's called a greater story and I have got my hands on is on about probably three fourths of it and it's just it's really really good people so if you're looking for. Some encouragement along with great storytelling jump in and get this book. It's so good. But I want you to set the stage for this book, a Greater Story and I know this is a lot of what you talk about is a greater story your TV, your pie all the things. What what led you to write about it. While jet first of all is again surreal to be here as you said, yesterday came out I. Mean I. National release you I mean you an author and so you know I mean Baker published. Put it how I mean when we did the book it was was between Zondervan Thomas Nelson Baker and cannot be honest Zondervan was my dream at the time and helped on the phone with Baker and I just said I think this is my publisher. So just a dream come true. I'm over the moon. I can't sleep I'll say this you know the television show we have now and the kind of branded greater story Tris on the show we've had people like, Andy Stanley McRae and Jamie Ivy you know so on and so forth and you know honestly we started the pie cash that's radio television thing to lead up to a book that was the whole reason that we started at and I'll be honest. Can I be I? Think you know this? It just took us so long to get the proposal allow that I ended up doing the bike. For like two or three years, and in the TV show podcast blew up way bigger than and so people are thinking that the book is based on the show but actually the show was based on the book that I will one day right everything was leading there and it started Jamie at northpoint to be honest. So I have to shot Andy Stanley again and also shot Ghana Jeff Henderson who used. To be over all sports marketing at chick fillet, and he was kind of the first one to drop the cows from the top of the arena at College Football Games and so on and so forth and when you think Chick-fil-a bowl where you think all of that was Jeff. Henderson and he left Chick-fil-a and went over to north point and became one of their cabins pastors and he's just he's so innovative. I became really good friends with him. He became kind of a mentor and he said Sam I need you to come on a Sunday and tell your story and at the time leading up to that I had just been on the Steve Harvey Show while I was at North Point and I met my biological family for the first time on national television after. Twenty five. Years and he said to me Sam you have to say this, you have to tell this and I said why I mean, how do I tell it would? Should I say he caught me into a meeting with some of the staff he said, all right. Tell us the story. So I just start talking as I'm talking to you and he said, say it just like that. And northpoint they're really big on bottom lines. So Andy's whole thing is figuring out how to say everything you want to say one sentence, and so I'm asking Jeff what's the bottom line of this whole story? He said, well, why don't you take the bottom line that we've already created for the series called that series who in which we call cast member the idea that God's telling this grand story and we all play a part where part of the Catholic as number and the tagline for the series was when your story connects to God's story, it leads to a greater story. Now Pause Jeff Henderson again, sports marketing, and so he speaks in marketing terms. He'll say something it's. It's it's a million dollar brand I. mean he's doing ten million dollar brands every day, and so after I, did the kind of message I said Jeff Can. I. Can just have. That was good right and he's like I'm not doing anything with it every again, he does every day and so I took it and grabbed the greatest story out and it became a now what we now know as a great story, the Book Podcast, the brand whatever yeah. Well you know as I was reading your book. I think you know this that if you're a new lesson, you might not know this for anyone that doesn't know my family is built on adoption basically three out of four my children joined our family through adoption. So as I'm reading your story and you can read in the story about how you met your biological mother and siblings and I just it. It always makes me. To be quite honest a little nervous when i read stories like this. And I'll tell you why and then you can into. If you felt this way at all, because you talk in the book about your parents who raised you, we'll call them your parents, they raise you. They were encouraging of this and Aaron, and I would be encouraging of our kids. The same way we have an open adoption with one of our kids birth mother's the other two were born in other countries we would help them pursue anything they ever wanted. But there was this moment that you write about. Which is, what makes me nervous is when you had to come to grips. And you say in the book. She didn't want me. That's what makes me nervous about my kids chasing their story and listen you came to the conclusion and I wrote it down I was talking about it and you had a conversation with your biological siblings and you came to the conclusion actually that you were wanted by two mothers. And I guess my question for you. What makes me nervous about this is how did you reconcile all of this in your brain as a twenty five year old boy finding this information out for the first time and I don't need you to go into family history. Book Really. Well but. What does that look like for you emotionally to go on this journey? Of Meeting the woman who gave birth to you and you felt she didn't want you. But maybe she did all of the things that encompass adoption go say. It's time and let me say this. We can talk about whatever you WanNa talk about on this. So I WANNA give you full reign to ask me any deep dark question or whatever I'll save I'll save those Sanford off-camera when I'm like, tell me how to parent my kids well through this because I want them to and I just want to lead them and cheer them on well. So you can have those conversations off air where you can kind of give all the advice again again. Well, okay. So you've got adopt kids obviously and I think we got adopted me and my sister two months. So black family black adoption. We. Kind of looked like are adoptive parents. So and our family was extremely accepting. We always knew we were adopted always from day one. Which I think is the healthiest. and. Our family in when I say family my adopted family they never it was never adopted cousin it was never it was always that's my cousin and my nephew that's my grandson so on. So forth. So there was this sense of acceptance that was always there for us. We always fell really I mean even beyond acceptance that we were blood I mean it just it just was what it was and we have and I guess the other piece of it is you know we had to tell people we were adopted nobody knew people and when they found out, they were like what? You look just like you know like, no actually. Yeah. So I say that to say going into the Steve Harvey Show for me specifically and me and my twin sister got together which I which I don't talk much of don't leave her out of the book on purpose a lot just to really kinda protect her but. Into, the show me and my twin sister specifically I'll just say specifically me, I had a very strong foundation of love acceptance. In May maybe this is advised or not but I think the fact that I was twenty five really helped you had more wisdom a little more years a little more maturity I was already formed. Yeah. I wasn't really searching for identity I wasn't and you know when when you look back on your life, look around age eighteen, nineteen, twenty, you still kind of finding yourself for sure and so I think about twenty four, twenty, five, I was like, okay cool. I kinda know who I. Am and I know what I WANNA be i. i Kinda know and then you add in the Jesus Point, which is huge fifty to sixty, seventy percent of this. Right I mean if not ninety Jesus was in my life already, I understood the idea of the Gospel and the idea was being adopted into the family of you know Christ so on and so forth wanted chosen all of these things going into the Steve Harvey show and reuniting biological family all of that was in the foundation. There was a moment and this is a long out went around here to get to answer the long road. There was a moment backstage and I don't I don't know if I'll put this in the book or not. I can't remember there was a moment where my sister. Had, a moment with my. Adopted that my dad, who's this is his thing right? He's like, Hey, we this is what you need to do. And I had Jesus I was on a lot of work in the inner city. Already I had an understanding of how the mind works. When you're coming out of poverty you know when it's it's kind of a war zone every day, which is where I biological family is from, which is what we were born into extreme poverty extreme. You know craziness drugs, all of that. So I had understanding there and then I had an understanding of the Gospel and the acceptance in God's grace and work and everything out for good on and so forth. But. My sister. My sister had a moment where you know and she saved but she is you know she's her and. She had a moment backstage when she said, what if they want us I mean she's just Just, she has this breakdown backstage. And my dad is you no, he's eighty four now. And from the country and so he's loud he he's like he's Kinda he was kind of inappropriate. He's like what you just need to. You need to be great bull God open this door but where. Does it I'm looking at him like so she storms out. And I'm looking at him at the sound of my really right now you'd right now you WanNa challenge her. And so they take it to the back room and they have a psychologist onset psychologists comes back I come in the room. The psychologists psychologist says, something I'll never forget and this is the answer to the question Ed. He says to my sister what you came in here with you're GONNA leave with. And it was huge. He said you came in here accepted. You came in here. Loved. You came in here chosen. Nothing about what happens in this interaction is going to change any of it. and. Calmed her down and. and. That was huge. So I think for me obviously, things worked out. But. Had they not worked out? It wouldn't have changed that we came in accepted. That we came in loved. that. We came in chosen not just by God, but by our parents. Ones that loved us to, and so I think even to your story, your kids, it's like one I would say it would be good to wait until they've got some formation in my opinion I can't tell you know God may speak to you guys at some point say no time to do it seventeen. But because we had some formation foundation that statement was easier to Kinda sit in because it was like, no, you know what? I am who I am shaped by love shaped by acceptance I am shaped by identity. You know the whole kinda nature versus nurture kind of thing, and so because of that, you know things worked out so and you had that love acceptance wanted. Only from your family but also from God, you had like a a stronger deeper foundation. 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To thrive, market, dot com slash happy hour join today, and you're going to get a free gift of your choosing up to twenty two dollars in value that's thrive T. H. R. I V. E. Market Dot com slash happy hour because lists, and on the happy hour go there today to start your risk free membership and get a free gift today Dr Market. Dot Com slash happy hour. So another question I have for you about just that journey that you have been on with discovering this greater story with finding you know birth family and all the things. Do you now have relationships with this kind of I? Mean I look at it as like you have this new family that you didn't even really know you knew about them obviously because you knew that you were birth by another woman but what is the relationship like with you and your new siblings. Weird they're not you know. I would definitely say there I'll be honest I. gave my sister permission to take twenty five more years because when we first when we met her biological family. Word this the right way they all came running very fast. So yeah. So I mean my sister deactivated facebook overwhelming. Yeah. They came out of nowhere because on national TV. So anyone that knows you know or know any any from any state is going above bubble boom because. I think you know from their mind they're going we gotta make up for Lost Time We, love you so on and so forth that under the Dow and I think it was even easier for them to find us and identify because my siblings and come on the show. So they knew them, they didn't know us but they knew them so they'll wait a minute. Derail. Schon Eric those y'all's way. That's our Oh you know. Everybody's coming out of. Everywhere and I think this is good because I can say this way you ever watch Tyler Perry movie okay. So that's the exact example, my biological family. That says everything you've got it man yet great people phenomenal people but Tyler obey this. You know that's everything just think that and just so imagine all of Tyler Perry's. Character characters rushing your inbox incoming. So my sister had to take a moment and she called me because she was just like people keep calling me cousin sister this that and the third like I. You know do I you know do I have like she's really coming to me for permission? Yeah because she's like, I, don't want to say the wrong thing I don't want to react like do what can ns it Sarah you if you need to take twenty five more years you take those years. Just. To get there and so I say all of that say, yes, there's relationship Eileen. Then a little bit more. She leaned out a little bit more which was fine and so I had to create a sense of just kind of guard rails for all of us just getting to know each other which I was healthy for everyone because i. Think for them. You know I think they're trying their best but you always say that you can't force relationship right? You've got you've got blood and that's very important. But the worst thing you can do is to try to force something and then it not be authentic and you know so I've tried to tax that's a dementia. Every almost every other week so on and so forth them you know me and my brother and me and my biological mother probably every other week. So love it. Saying. There's a your book that I wrote down and you didn't say it. I'll give credit to WHO said it but I want to ask you about this line and I want you to tell me how this has been true in your life. You talked about interviewing the Kendrick brothers and Alex Kendrick. And I wrote it down and honestly I haven't stopped thinking about it and I don't know if the same has been true for you. After the first time he said it's to you but he said they were just chasing the favor of God and to give a little practice you said, you know they're filmmakers they're creating great work. They're creating great work in the faith space and I don't know the Kendrick brothers and you can maybe fill in some blanks but I wonder if they ever thought I'm going to do it in this space. But. God led them to this space and his his line to you was we're just gonNA chase the favor of God and that stuck with me and I wanNA know from you. What does that look like in your life to just chase the favor of God I think I am the result even on this podcast chasing after the favor of God I mean when I look back at all of the different roads that led me to Jamie. Write a main when I think about where I came from where I started and even before I was adopted. It's nothing but favor I mean I started out in the Black Church pentecostal Kinda back like way over here and so for me to make it to you, it's just It's insane. I mean to jump from that community over the north oriented into navigate northpoint, and even to like lack of better phrase gain some sort of influence to where if I would even be a guest worthy of having you know quote unquote on the show to navigate to a book deal to all of this it's nothing but the favor of God i never thought I was going to be in ministry and never wanted to be in ministry I never thought I would be writing a book I mean I had other plans on the plan. You, want it to be Christian. The Christian version of usher you talk about those. Hey, I've never talked about this with you. Yet. I wanted to be usher I thought I was going to be us your and I did become him. But the. Story. About asteroid going lease my brother I mean there's been fifty I mean it's been around for a while. This has been thirteen years ago fourteen years ago he gave me a DVD for Christmas because I was really in. Have a married woman a mom at this time he gives me the DVD sale I put it in and about like seven minutes in. I'll think this be good for my marriage I watch this. I'd never even finished it because I was like I'm kind of getting a little hot and bothered. DVD might push the boundaries in my life. Like Eighty Seven, oh one, hundred, hundred miles away confessions usher I was too much show. Me I was going to be him I mean I did leave music. I was playing instruments I mean that's what I really thought. I was going to be even before Christ and so you know a greater again, you can't plan meeting your biological family nor did I plan creating a brand around it or a book that helps people kinda connect on and so forth. So all of this that I'm living in right now I mean it truly is favor of is the favor of guy and I think it's saying it's been saying, yes and I'm not perfect. So let me go ahead and say that now I'm not always said, yes, you I don't know anyone that may be his said yes it's obvious. They need to say yes, he's. Just. G Say. Yes to Jesus and then along the way I, feel like he's asked me to consistently put some dreams now for his dreams for me and I think for me I'm just not afraid of starting over. Yeah. I've never been afraid of starting over. It's been really scary that there was a massive period in my life. You know that we're got Kinda really honestly strip me from using my whole family even my adoptive family they all thought I was going to be doing music and. And doing all that to the point. So when I when I said when I put it down and picked up ministry, people were going crazy. What are you doing like you know and and so I think that was the big moment for me where like God said, I need to strip you of your quote unquote desires for mind. WOULD YOU BE? Willing to trade your desires for my annual dreams from our and so I think that moment hard always is very it's very difficult. The first time is the hardest. The first time is the hardest because you're going die you know I always ask the question what if you wake up one day and you realize that you're something you never thought you were. You know we build our identities. You Know Aung Consistency in what we think we supposed to do in our dreams and on what we see and it becomes who we are and so honestly, it is a little bit like stripping yourself of your identity to create a new one and it's very violent. Let's say the leads you know I. See this and I speak to. You know mostly women here at this whole idea of what you're saying is I had these ideas for what? I. Thought. I was going to do my life was going to be. And God was like Nope we're going to do something different and I see this struggle with women. So often is that they see it might say might not even be what they desire for their life, but they look at this other woman and they're like, okay, I wanna be her I desire to be this woman. And that is what I see is so destructive for for people is looking at someone else. And wanting their life and I think that's kind of what you're talking about and even what the Kennedy's brother set that quotas like we had to lay down a what we thought we wanted and be maybe what we thought was success for someone else and we had to do what God wanted us to do, and that is so difficult. Will is as WHO's that? You say that because I think for me Would it came down to it and you know when you meet your biological family right and and you you start to understand that you know they will raise my brothers and sisters specifically in poverty extreme. Poverty but yet we were raised in his middle class kind of Christian home. You start asking questions about God that you never asked before. Yeah, which is. What. Yeah like why did you take me out? Why did you leave them in in that and when you start to go down that road, you start to understand why not that guy plays favorites at all because he doesn't he doesn't I mean 'cause I can say the same question how come you didn't send me into a rich found. I mean there's just so many things. It's not that he plays favorites is that God has a specific plan. For you connected to his greater plan that doesn't necessarily make sense and so when you start to think about things that God has brought you from rescued you out up and sit through in all of that you start to go. Okay. Is this my life or is it yours? And I think that that question is what leads you to the ability of going. You know what? I don't want somebody else's stuff i. don't even want what I want I want whatever you want for me because I am where I am I have what I have because you've given it to me it's just become this whole perspective shift around really what do I owe you God for what you've done for me for what you've brought me through what you've provide what is now my responsibility for the opportunity that I now live favor that I now live in the provision because you. I mean you can go really far on this thing start even thinking about the fact that you live in the United States versus Africa, and some would they call dire poverty right where you know where they have slum the slums in Nairobi and you start to go wait a minute. Why am I here and he's there and she's and you just go got you've done a work that I have now responsibility and so the only way to walk fully in that responsibility and in this opportunity is to relinquish all control and pick up would you have for me versus what the people? That answers the question that was pretty deep although I saw you ass nt right the question which is like, okay. Let's just go to the. Go to the big daddy dogs and his you listen on a couple of things that you learn from that just asking him like that whole question of like some rain and all this me why not all the things it is very answer to you was i. mean quite honestly I don't know like I don't know why God would do those kinds of things and you were talking about having a conversation. With a friend of yours and that answer of I don't know why God would do. That is really hard swallow sometimes of like Oh wait I think I would rather just no you know and I had to go a little bit deeper with that because I wrestled with the same things especially having children adopted from a third country and all those type of questions that I've had to ask myself and. It gets down to me a little bit of like, okay. I've I believe the Gospel to be true which I do, and I believe that Jesus is the good news and the. Piano our. He's our mediator between us and God I believe all those things. Then I'll have to take away some of these like quote unquote blessings that we say like okay. Well, this is a blessing because this and look at people all around the world and go man God works in their stories in different ways than ours. Even if we strip away all the things about 'cause the questions of. Born in Texas to a great family and wounded my other. Why did one of my kids not get that opportunity you know and so they're deep hard questions that Sam and I are not going to give you the answer to because they're just confusing. But what I'm trying to say in all this rambling is I have to look to entrust that God is just what you said. He's in everyone's story no matter what the circumstances look like and. That sometimes, what seems like a great circumstances to us doesn't doesn't make us any better or more favorable. Then you know my friends in Rwanda who don't have a house like don't have air-conditioning but they are chasing God and they're part of his story right where they are. It's hard. This is it's hard to reconcile sometimes the lives that we've been given and I think that's kind of what you're talking through one hundred percent and I often say that. In the midst of all the hope that we have is that in the midst of the chaos. The Tex- the Bible from the beginning to the end is just one big story of cobb bringing order to chaos. But let me just one big story about is when it starts off with you know he spirit is hovering over the deep and there's these waters. Now, all of a sudden he let there be light. Moment you go from that all the way to revelations and is Jesus coming in to all different and it's just bringing an end revelation a new earth new. Haven't you know it's just this constant idea of him going. Here's chaos i. let me bring order to it. You know here's a mess. Let me turn it into a miracle innocence right a beauty from ashes all they'll get me started. But with with all of that being said, it's like. Often say that in the midst of all of the chaos, the hope that we have is that there is a God that we can trust is moving all of the pieces on the chessboard four to Redeem. Humanity. And to set the captive free now, the difficult part is understanding how all he's GonNa do it and why he's doing it in the timeframe that he's doing it in I was having a conversation with one of my friends and the biggest thing that was most difficult for them to get to wrestle with is or to accept is that God's GonNa handle it all at one time. Well, yeah. At one time he will come back. Right, and at one time, he's going to do all San. He's going to deal with this. He's going to do and he's GonNa flip the world on his, but he's just not it's not happening now right now we're in processing we're all part of this narrative and will we all have our part to play but to be a Christian, is to be okay with accepting that he's going to do it when he wants to do. But that in the middle of the journey, he's going to be with us. And sometimes, he'll move the mountain sometimes, he doesn't move the mountain. But what we know is that he gives us the strength to climb whatever mountain he doesn't move or to persevere through any suffering that we may find ourselves them and I would rather persevere through it with him than without I mean it. So I say all of that say the best thing we could do in the midst of the uncertainty one is trust him, but also just play on part. Whatever part we have to play just play it knowing that our part is part of a greater story that he's telling. That we may not fully understand right now but we will one day. Yeah. So good such it does make sense and it's such an encouragement to believe we have purpose and to believe that the God has put I I mean there's description I don't where it is look maybe in Romano isn't everything good in Romans. It's there's a scripture that God has placed us in places for that time, and that is so comforting to me in a way to know that when I don't understand when life doesn't seem fair and it seems chaotic and messy and all the things that it is. Is it for some reason got thought it would be fit for me to live in two thousand and twenty at set of Austin Texas. You know they just to know that God is in all of that. is so encouraging there's a song. Elevations worship. To. Grade. syndergaards there's this line in it. This I love that much. It says he's the God of the mountains and the God of the valleys and I just have been thinking about that so much even with this concept that we're talking about is that God doesn't change when things seem quote unquote good with thinks corncob bad. You know the he is still God. and. It can still be a part of our story which is so hard for humanity. It's so hard for us to hold onto the back but. You're talking about that in this book and it's so good. What is okay. So when someone closes the last page, your book I would like to ask authors this and it's a hard question to answer because I think it's I. Think it's hard for me to answer. Would you want someone to think or feel or do or understand when they closed the last page of this book? There's a couple points. I. Would love to walk away with one. God can still do miracles. That's my best to one. The biggest I think that's the story like it's. How do you get born into poverty displaced all these things happen discounted twenty five years goes by you reunite on national television like a miracle. For me. That's one of the biggest things is that people believe that guy can do the miraculous? He may not do it all the time but he can. and. Sometimes, he's just waiting on us to give him the opportunity to do it. No matter where you are around the world he's going, Hey, I want show myself strong. Give me the opportunity to do with. Only I can do. That's one. The guy is still in the miracle business, he can still can do as one I. Think the second one is. That God can take your mess. Turned into a message. He can turn your mess into a message. If you let him and I'll say for an that to me is a universal truth. No matter where you are no matter what you're going through. He can turn your mess into a message if you let him in. Your story and you're suffering will not be in vain it will free someone and it will further the kingdom. And he can do it. If you let him in every, that's the greater story that I'm saying it's like there is a greater story for all of us wants to turn our message into a message and miracle whatever you want to if we let him in an. He'll do it. He's waiting to do that second thing. The third thing I want people to walk away with is that there is a formula for discovering purpose there's a and I don't. I don't know if it's the greater story chapter, the chapter named after the book or it's another one I think it's in a greater store, the chapter. But in this chapter, I give a three prong strategy for helping people discover purpose one of life's greatest questions and we all have is, what's my purpose, right? It's and. I've heard pastors and ministers in all of that and people really can I be honest run around they just run around it they do everything they get all. Guys Not really into the you know everything you do make sense. Oh, you can just kinda choose and I agree I agree like. I think if you run after God every day if you're leveraging everything, you have for the sake of the Gospel in the Kingdom. Yes I believe God, is pleased and I believe that's a part of obviously grand purpose but I definitely believe that there are specific purposes for all of us for specific people. I think the happy hour podcast was a large part of what God had ordained for Jamie Ivy. I just think it is what it is. I don't think that that just up one day and then all of a sudden gone it's like, oh. Yeah. Let's do that. You say yeah. wrote that into your story and so with that being said I think he has happy hour podcast for all of us. Now it's not maybe a podcast, right? Yeah. It's a business maybe it's as simple as a blog. Maybe it's just playing a position at a church maybe it starting I don't know but he has something specific for all of us. The question is, how do we get there and unpack it but I I would simply say it is when passion gifting in provision collide and that's in the book I break it down. And it's very important. If you don't read any other chapter read the first the last and that one. burs people, that say anti. Read the whole book please. But definitely, make sure you read that one because you're struggling with Gout who am I? Would you have for me in? What is my unique purpose in contribution to the world in light of the Great Commission it's in there and I and I discovered this and we seventy young adults through this three years. So it's tested. It's proven. We discovered this because I was depressed and church did not make sense. The Bible did not make sense and I said I, got you gotta give me the secrets of the kingdom right now because if not just take me home that's where I was so that those are the three things. And I think those are good. Thank you so much and I think that that last idea like what is my purpose? This is a a lifelong question. This is there's no one has ever walked planet earth that hasn't asked that question right now I just made that up but I bet that's true. SAY IF That's just what everyone's wondering like, what am I here for? What am I your for? What's my purpose in life? Yeah. Thank you for that I am so excited people to read this book. You do a great job at telling stories and encourage people to really find their their part and their story that God has put them here for and so it's encouraging you guys out already go pick it up wherever you get books seeds. Yeah. Pick it up. Pick it up. I don't know about you guys but schooling at home was quite an adjustment. I was trying to work. My kids are trying to do school I'm trying to keep up with what their teachers are doing. 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They're going to get ten dollars off your first pair of features and you're going to love them as much as I do. Okay. Sam Tell Me What are you? Loving what are you reading? What's it looking like in your world right now what am I? Loving? What am I reading I'm in seminary congrats. Getting a master's in Biblical leadership. Okay. From Denver Seventy I'll be done this time next year. Okay. Yeah. Loved them. So I'm reading the Bible A Lot. I'm reading the Bible I'm reading books about the Bible I'm reading commentaries about the Equa chapter he read right now. Right now. We're in Old Testament were in the Pentateuch. First five books of the Bible. So. I'm in Genesis I'm an exit is dude around I'm just like I'm jumping all around everyday and it is just it is really wild I think for for me the biggest thing with the tax is I i. think all of us and may maybe people know there's maybe they don't this was actually something I kind of knew but I didn't know till I'm fully got in is like you know I wish more pastors taught this that the majority. Of The testament is just Israel I mean I mean I know that that is like simple. It's like, Oh, we knew that but you know how many people don't know that the majority of the Old Testament like you it starts off with humanity and the creation of the world is on its which really Moses has written which can give another while he's on the road of delivering Israel from slavery he's writing the first five, but that's just crazy but It goes from this big Kinda. Okay. Here's how the world was created Noah's flood, and then it zeroes in from the world to this one family that turns into kind of nation of Israel, and the rest of the book is the Nation of Israel in terms of Old Testament. That's just so huge though when you are really getting into that and your understanding Oh, wait a minute. This isn't to everyone this is like. Israel and his. Anyway. Because when it explodes in the New Testament, it just makes so much more sense anyway. Okay. So you get big. Events. I, have a very, I don't want to say small dream I have a dream of Gordon seminary someday but I just if you can fit it in, I can fit it in but it's just one of those things that it just keeps getting pushed back all the time. But my friend Lisa Harper I think is at Denver Seminary and so she's about it. Yeah, I think. So listen go to Denver and let me tell you why let me tell you what let me tell you. You should go to Denver because I was looking for a school that was not ultra conservative but also not ultra liberal. Right I think the tension of the scriptures is that it sits in the middle of conservative and liberal that's the tension like. Really well, politics to right. The answer is not Republican. Democrat usually it's usually both is usually like right in the middle right where it's like, okay. Yeah. We need a plan for the poor, but we also need is stimulate the economy. And what ends up happening is we ended up having to choose the lesser. And when when I think the majority of Americans are like, no, we need bolt. Plan for the poor. And but we can't have a plan for the poor. We don't have a economy. That's excellent. Right at the also need religious freedom we also got. So, anyway, that's the tension for me a mostly everything race to like we talk race relations in America right? It's usually not one of the other it's both an. Perspective is another one he's becoming anyway. You asked me what I was a caring about right now. That's why I go to Denver because it's it doesn't demonize kinda inside like his information. And is on Youtube so I love it. Hey, that's on breeding. We're recording this July sixteenth for everyone and I think we could get new news tomorrow. But I think that if you wanted to vote for Kanye West President, you could because he was in, he was out and now he's back. So there's that. Somebody. said it. Becomes president thinking about him being I? This is. Here here's the deal Sam. Five years ago we would have said there's no way communist West we present and listen as not going to be president. Okay. I is July. He's be president but five years ago we would have been like there's no way. Now I don't know maybe he will for years who knows any more than a second might be president. Mike Afternoons, oh my gosh everything's crazy. We live in a chaotic crazy world. That is the truth. Sam Thank you so much for the time you spent with US congratulations on being the first official man to be on the happy hour like we're having been on from now on you guys and Sam you you set the stage really high will hold for number I'm hoping representatives will demand. It, listening I I just I want to say in general what you have contributed to the kingdom has been incredible. I don't know if you hear it often I. Don't know if you feel like you're in the back corner somewhere doing your thing and people don't but I wanna tell you everyone sees it i. see it. We don't get to talk much because when you're working right you don't like still away but everything you do Jamie it is noticed not just in your little sphere but. Across the Church of America and some would say around the world and it's an honor for me to be on the show. Please don't stop and let me say this for anyone listening please keep supporting Jamie yoursel kind he because she is a voice and even as a black man, I wanna say it she is a unifying voice. She is the real deal and it's an honor for me to be here. So kind when I have my TV show I'll bring you back on. Please listen. Live. Just. For guys pick up his book a greater story. Sam Thank you so much. Please tell your Olympia pope that I said hello and let me know about your new church. GonNa come it's going to be I wish I could announce it now kind of crazy but I I'm going to come back to you we air not love Atlanta so we'd love to come see you so. I love it. I'll come I'll be in the bowl, but that's for sure Sam. Thank you so much y'all. y'All I know those last three thoughts and he shared at the end or so helpful when we all work through knowing our lives and stories have purpose. I, say it all the time. 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For Richer or Poorer | 4

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For Richer or Poorer | 4

"Yeah it was late. Two thousand nine a year. After the market crash and Andy Beckerman had been laid off from another your mind numbing job on Wall Street I came in every day from like eight thirty two five and e faxes would come in they would come in roughly every thirty seconds or what I had to do was read the facts and send it to the right mailbox. You couldn't stop I would go to the bathroom to P and I would feel insane ten of them at already piled up in that time it wasn't long before Andy was called into a supervisor's office. He wasn't surprised prize when she told him to pack up his things she let me go because I couldn't keep up the speed that they needed to turn out these stupide faxes. Andy was an overachiever a college Grad with a four point -O g._P._A.. Who Tried on a series as of bright futures? I he was a philosophy professor in Philadelphia. Then he worked on Wall Street in New York. The market crash led to a series of temp jobs all over Manhattan including the one with the taxes but each day in that life was a small knife and Andy stomach stomach direct path to painful certain death. I visualized it almost like a slip inside. It was just dirt that went straight into open grave losing the Wall Street job seems bad. chirp rent was do any day but it was the best last thing that ever happened to Andy because it made him admit what he really wanted to do. Writing and stand up comedy. I went almost thirty years with stuff that I kinda liked but wasn't passionate about anywhere. I finally found comedy. I was like Oh God. This feels right. Andy began taking Improv classes at the Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in fact I performed my one woman show angered terrible name and did a sketch show there for five years. Here's one night of student show another performer caught Andy's I. I was just like what I thought we're all students. She's killing. This is also very attractive. Her name was Naomi Naomi. Naomi had an uninspiring day job at a magazine but she dreamed of becoming a comedian one day to she had also noticed Andy. We came to rehearsal. He was wearing like a button down and work pans and they didn't fit fit great because like none of us doing jobs so we don't invest in good club and so I remember thinking. Who's this young guy wearing this big sure? There's absolutely no spark immediately. I think we became facebook friends. I don't know how all Great Romance Start facebook friends. We spent a lot of g chatting. Andy was between jobs temping and doing what he could do but he was at home a lot as at a job whereas board that's how our friendship started the conversation position you have when you're bored and there's nothing really talk about you end up getting into everything I remember g chatting with someone I was like. I got to fat for my favorite jeans. I don't know what to do. which if I was flirting I would have kept himself? Whatever relationship started out at? I don't think I even really knew if I liked her. Not I just knew there was something some kind of weird pull weird energy and I'm like I kind of like how this person makes my skin feel so I wanna be near them but just like when Harry met sally the feelings started to grow through having a conversation it was overdue chat talking about turn audition and acting in. I don't know if it'll ever happen for me because I'm just not pretty. I'm just not pretty enough which was impart feeling I felt but I think I also said it to him to see what he would think and then he responded so matter perfect goes. I don't think that's true. I think you're very attractive and I remember thinking Oh he like me. I thought she was funny and she was pretty. What else is there right? The spark of romance between two starving artists people whose very nature is to listen to the whispers of their soul and follow their hearts who needs money or a nice apartment or food when you have art and love it turns out everyone every every single person we stand it alters and agreed to take each other and sickness and in Health and Oh yeah for richer or for poor if boo get sick were there with grandma's chicken noodle soup but when I was in financial distress that's a lot harder to navigate money is a constant and when it's constantly on your mind because you're worried about having enough it can come to define a relationship skins as mission is to deliver holistic personalized skincare products Taylor to your exact needs wow there are things that you may not even think about that play a huge role in the health of Your Skin Aka how much you drinking honey U._v.. Rays exercise or lack thereof I duNno. 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I dot com slash the moment promo code the moment from wondering I'm Ingrid Ha's and this is the moment uh there's a reason people don't love songs about merging bank accounts. Money isn't romantic. Its practical at least according to my fiance Devon the actually has savings. What's that yeah <music>? I'm more of a hippy dippy vibe with money. My philosophy is thoughts can quickly become reality and if I am thinking about being broke I might manifest it so I don't think about it. I let Devon beer money conscience besides if you really think about it money can be romantic. Just look at the movies elwood's never apologized for being rich and still went over all of Harvard and got the guy but Andy Naomi are real people living in modern day a New York where a cup of coffee can run you five bucks. A pop sure New York is great in the springtime but tripping broke in the winner and walking ten blocks to the studio apartment. You can barely afford with the wind whipping off the Hudson. You probably won't be in the mood when Andy Naomi met. They were just a few years out of college. The market had just crashed in the economy was tanking so you could say that money was tight all around and that stress crept into almost every part of their life together beginning with their very first date. This is episode four for richer or poorer romance is tricky when you don't have a lot of disposable income it requires a willingness one is totally ask people over to Netflix and chill or the ability to get creative and find free stuff to do which is what Andy did he won free tickets to the Midnight Release Of the twenty ten alice in Wonderland reboot and asked Naomi to go with him. The a kind of way this went was repressed andy kind of fumbles around and asked her out on what he thinks is a date but what she does not think is a date very obviously if I show up for you after ten pm I got angle so I was interested Zip but I didn't think it was <hes> he had movie you WanNa go and also because winter you too cute winter in New York coming. I'm wearing twelve layers and that's just what you're going to get so every time I would go somewhere. There was some neurons say like maybe this is a date and maybe you're gonNA smooch and live happily ever after just another one of these kind of like hopeful things I for whatever my psychology is. I do live in some kind weird pocket of hope. I mean what's this white. Male lacks hope that's the real question is it was three Ds. I've got those glasses on top of my regular glasses. It's it's so unflattering flattering and what we're sitting next to each other and at some point we get to holding hands and we ended up holding hands the entire movie which was at least two hours but it was winter in New New York and Andy had a runny nose. I had a tissue in my right pocket that I think I had to. I DIDN'T WANNA stop holding hands so I had to reach over and like kind of Yoga my body into getting the tissue out so I could white my nose without dropping her hand and I noticed that and I remember thinking like Oh. He's going to great lengths not like oh my hand. It's very precarious when you're at the very beginning of a relationship everything is precarious. It's like chaos theory right all the little things in the beginning have huge repercussions later on so you don't want to drop their hand because what if that's the end of that if this ruptures we may never get back to hand holding and then we may never get to smooch it despite holding onto Naomi's hand for dear life during the movie. He didn't kiss her at the end of the night by the end of the courage I because I only ever had the courage to make a move when I new the other person for shore reciprocated my feelings Oh no no complete romantic carrot. I definitely walked away from that movie date feeling like Oh. He likes me. He still like such a nerd and we'll make a move. We're going to get their neither of them like the movie but they definitely liked each other a romance for the ages one person is wearing two pairs of glasses. The other is overly snotty yet you WANNA hold his germy army hands forever with a solid friendship as their foundation. Andy and Naomi already knew they liked each other but we're very different. I am someone who is very emotional very reactive. You know if I don't like something. My feelings are on my face whereas indy it's got a poker face. He can be a tough read. He's much more private. He is not used to talking about himself in what He. He wants or how he feels directly but it took dating to really highlight how different they were especially when it came to money indie. He doesn't throw money away but I never got the impression that he worried about it in the same way hi Andy Naomi's lives were very different growing up. Naomi grew up in Harlem. She was raised by a single mom. I grew up in an apartment. It was a one bedroom in my bedroom is kind of more of a makeshift area. It was it was private. It was mine but it didn't door. Naomi saw how hard her mother worked to give Naomi better opportunities than she'd had. She sent Naomi to a private school for the first time. Naomi was surrounded by rich kids kids with the newest Tommy Hilfiger oh figuring Jordan's it was the nineties rich kids who had no idea what it was like to live in a bedroom without a door. What I started private school at the age of ten and started to go to people's apartments go to someone's house after school on Park Avenue I I never knew what was in those apartment buildings the upper east side until I got in there and did you know that you can have an elevator open right until your apartment my goodness to go into these apartments where it was like multiple Topol bedrooms and a library and dining room and kitchen blew my mind seeing the way people with money lived left a big impression on Naomi? I never said I WANNA wear what they're wearing or. Give me those things but I do remember wishing. I didn't have to think about money what I learned from those nothing mattered I they wanted it and they got it and that level of freedom was very appealing to me for Naomi money meant safety and if she was going to be free she knew she had to rely on herself. She worked part-time jobs and put herself through college and after graduation she got a fulltime job as an editorial assistant at a magazine. It was pretty much a dream job for a kid fresh out of college I was by no means rolling in do but I lived pretty simply as you can do. When you're twenty four twenty five twenty six and said okay I'll be fine and it was also very important for me? It was all about having the health insurance as well. That was like job coverage. It wasn't a career. She found fulfilling but she knew she was one of the lucky ones she could pay rent and doctors bills. If she got sick but deep down she earned for something else she wanted to write an act and do stand up which is what made Andy so appealing he was pursuing his dream but it came at a sacrifice no security and little money but andy was fine with it. Andy grew up in a small city in Pennsylvania. His parents were happily married and they lived a solidly middle class life you know backyards and birthday parties and neighbors who eva low in the morning and he never really thought much about money at least not the way Naomi did he thought what about the future. He wasn't sure what that looked like bite. He knew what he didn't want. I just knew in my body at some point like when I was at teenager that I didn't want the life that they had this is not to roast the suburban lifestyle style but I just knew that like there's something limiting about it. I always haunted by this vision of me at forty five sitting in an a frame shirt and boxers at a filthy goofy recliner eating a lean cuisine what I'm watching you know two and a half manner. Whatever rerun is on T._v.? That vision haunts me comedy made Andy feel free and if pursuing writing and stand up meant being broke he was willing and over the years he pretty much got being broke down to an art. Something I know nothing about just kidding. I'm in comedy and have more pairs of shoes than I do dollars in my bank account my real marker of success is if I can afford a soda at when I go to a restaurant or if I go to the movies and I can get popcorn. Oh my God I am a living life. There was one month where I had to sell my guitar to make rent. It was almost like there was no choice voice. I I've seen what else life is. I've seen what my parents jobs and lives are very nice not for me. When I moved to New York something settled in my chest? It felt right to be there. It felt right to pursue this career so I didn't give money. A second thought. I was like I'll do what I have to do to make this lifestyle work. It wasn't until Andy and I started dating that I read where we're coming from different places when it came to money. I never got the impression that he worried about it in the same way he was always able to tell himself this temporary. This is just what I gotta do to get to where I wanna be whereas I was like okay if it is hard to have money at twenty seven what's going to happen if I actually have a kid because they're very expensive. I know that my mother told me again I was living in that weird hope pocket that weird bubble of hope where I was just like everything's GonNa work out. I live in a place called hope to remember. I'm from Canada like Andy Wendy. I know always figure it out. If I lose a job there's another one around the corner and besides my fiance's encouraging me to save for a rainy day good thing and never rains in L._A.. It was still early days for Andy Naomi. She noticed these things but figured not my business. I felt like you can pay your bills and you got your thing. I've got nothing to worry about. They were just two kids going on cheap dates and getting to know each other a lot of our early dates were hanging. Now you know going to the other person's house. I was taught the way you know. If a guy likes you is that he spends his time on your you spend money on you and very quickly learned. The spending of money is not how he shows love. I realized that the choice to spend time with me and to make the Schlep to my house was the overture. Naomi and Andy lived in different boroughs in New York. That pretty much means you're in a long distance relationship aw I lived in Harlem. Andy lived in Green Point Brooklyn which is pretty far pain in the but you're taking three trains. It's a good our twenty minutes and there was one night where we're talking on the phone and he was supposed to come over to my place. We gotTA fight. I don't remember what the fight was again early. In their relationship I have emotions and so I'm sure something where I was like. I just don't know how much you care about me. I don't know we get into this fight. I and I'm GONNA come over. You know I'm still going to come and we can have talk. I get on the train and I'm like stew in the whole time ninety minutes later into shows. He's at the door. I said I love you and I know that because I'm furious but I still still have that feeling in me and I still can feel that I love you. Of course I said it back immediately. I was like Oh Andrew Wow wow because if he and I could have an argument and in not drive a wedge bring us closer to the person I love you get it if you can take all this and come out with an I love you. Oh Yeah we're GONNA be solid solid. Naomi figured they were going to be able to bounce back from anything but like any to people who love each other. She and Andy had more fights in their future and statistically speaking. There's one thing that couples fight about more than anything else in the world money. You guys have something to tell you. This is really hard for me to admit but I had a break up right. I had to say goodbye to all my hair. Products Got Ya it was tough half but I got through it. Thanks to one brand function of beauty function of beauty has really been there for me and my time of need. Let me tell you a little bit about the Internet's top rated customize haircare brand okay. Are you ready. Are you listening. You go online like I did answer surf you questions about your hair selector preferences and they'll create products specifically for you. Do you need volume. Do you need some moisture. Is your scalp getting flaky honey. We need to fix that. 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I want to be a development officer. Some something like that and I was like well obviously. I don't want to be doing this job so I just told him like oh well. I want to in writing on T._v.. Show and five years what I got home and told me that. Are you kidding me. What are you talking about because we all know when someone asks you that in a job and if you live you say I see myself dying here whatever so he can do to get that job and I was like how can you not know what you need to say he in order to land a Gig him botching that interview was messing us up? We both wanted him to be employed him being employed would maybe met we went out on dates and did more things that weren't just watching movies. It felt like he was jeopardizing our chance for nice things. I didn't understand it all why she was going nuts we. We live in this world where you maybe you have job for six months and then you're unemployed for awhile and then you're backed Avenue Aja. You know it's up and down. It's like this kind of way form and you know for me. I'm just like Naomi. Aren't you hip to what's going on. We live in this precarious world at you know I'm going to have a job and I'm not I'm not going to have a job and that's just the way it is and that was the crux of the issue and a new world riddled with insecurity. How do you find that safe place? Andy couldn't understand why Naomi was angry because because she didn't even fully understand it herself she was afraid. Financial worries just kind of compounds my already natural state of I don't know what's going to happen and I don't like not knowing you need money to live full stop you. You need money to keep a roof over your head. That's not an anxiety that can be talked away. That's not an anxiety that I can just breathe my way into acceptance. Something has to be done about that. Luckily Andy landed the job. It wasn't Wall Street pay but it was enough that they could start talking about apartment hunting when Indian. I decided we were GONNA move together. That's what we started to have a conversation of okay. What can we actually afford what has fifty fifty look like and then fifty fifty was just a distant memory emory and the dream of a stable future in the rear view mirror? I got laid off that is when it all came out that was very terrifying. I was never going to leave that job. I like stability and and I actually got laid off in the second round of layoffs and I remember initially when the first round of people got laid off. I almost wanted it to be me because I thought ooh I'll get a severance and then I can go do my thing and and now I got laid off and realize my severance was one thousand seven hundred dollars. I was like Oh no no this is not going to were Kinda. pull the rug out from under and he got to see what it looked like for me to spin out. How how much is my half of the rent? Okay Okay Yeah Yeah I got employment can cover that. I don't know about anything else you WANNA eat. Rahman worrying about money can keep you up all night long as you examine every transaction on your bank balance praying for clerical error Berating yourself for buying that expensive bottle of wine. Naomi had a few nights like that but andy slept easy because Andy lived in a place called hope he was he just he wasn't worried about Saudi and I couldn't understand that it was like you know you don't understand what I'm saying. This is for real. What am I gonNA do? Everything's going to work out. Everything's GonNa be fine. I'm I didn't come from money. I wasn't wealthy. I don't know where that came from. I guess I have I don't know God dumped a thousand extra grams of Serotonin to my body for some reason I was living in this strange village of hope and just walking down the boulevard with a bag of happiness when I would express my concerns in indy would be optimistic. I would actually be annoyed by it because to me. It was almost flip it as the two looked at apartments together the reality of what the couple could afford a New York City was even worse than Naomi thought. I remember so distinctly looking at apartments in Harlem the place I had grown up the place that you know I thought I could always afford and looking at these apartments and discover. You're charging. How much for what how dare you let me talk to whatever white person ruined this for me and I was like Oh snap okay okay? WE'RE GONNA deal low bore buddy to live in this life. Once that who is clear then it became very important to me. They finally found a place. They could both afford a fifth floor walkup when we first moved in together. Most of our money was going to surviving. We didn't have a lot of money whatever we had groceries rent rent utilities would go see some movies every once in a while. I think that was mostly it. Andy and Naomi were officially to starving artists. They supported each other creatively and comedic -Ly and sometimes financially when one of them was working the other usually wasn't I had so much anxiety around whether or not we would make it in our chosen professions and by make it I don't mean fame. I mean literally are we going to be able to earn are living doing this and so it would manifest in a lot of small ways. There was one point when Andy didn't have a job but then he went and bought a band t-shirt online at a twenty dollar t-shirt. The man loves is banned T shirts but I remember getting really annoyed because you don't have a job at a banned t shirt is not a requirement to live not a requirement but it does make life more fun. So what if that twenty dollars could've bought half of your groceries as for the week even when I was trying to pursue my dream I was very nervous and stressed in it puts that pressure on the dream to hurry up and come true because I don't have time for this but andy and Naomi loved each other and they somehow managed to hold onto their apartment. Keep the lights on food on the table and even get occasional writing in comedy gigs. They were good team. Naomi Vince started to dream about what a long term future might look like with Andy. I really liked looking at engagement. Commit rings like I just think they're very pretty and I just like to scroll and what's out there but I didn't think I would get one quite honestly they're expensive and one time indie like saw me looking and didn't freak out. Andy was actually thinking about the same thing. Naomi was the woman he saw himself with forever but if he was going to ask her to marry him he'd have to find a ring he could afford. The common rule is a ring should be three months salary. Andy was still living paycheck to paycheck. I'll say this I bet most people don't know how to buy a ring unless they're second ring or something like that. It's a weird thing to buy a expensive piece of jewelry especially. If you don't have any money especially especially if you're going to be paying off something for a while credit card star so Andy called his dad he wanted his health to walk through the purchasing process they went to Philadelphia and found the perfect ring. All that was left was is to find creative way to pop the question so I had all these ideas in my head about how like acute way to propose an Ami the two top ones were put the ring on my cat squeak by calling for him. Put the ring on the caller and then send it into the room number two was I would write a song for Naomi uploads a youtube send her the link and she would open it up. Play it Blah Blah Blah like that but in the end he decided to just ask her in person Andy Style. Do you want to just be as direct as possible when you are trying to say such a a full real emotion I just needed for once in my godforsaken life. I am going to be direct with an emotion. I'm going to put it out there and if I fail if she says No. I'm just going to live with that. We were both on a show that night. We came home from it. She was on the phone with her cousin. I think I went to the other room. I sat in a chair bond villain style with my back to the to the door and then when she was done she came in and I whipped around. I opened up the ring box and I said well you marry me. What uh where'd you get that we what for a while she sputtered a little bit then I do not expect the dope bring that I have now sober it was like what what are you doing what's going on? I probably said what what are you doing. Where'd you get that good five five minutes? I actually said yes. I grew up on a ROM COM. I like bird whole at my copy of Bridget Jones's dire like I was that person where I was taught or led to believe that there is a one and no and and I looked at him and I knew I didn't I looked at him as it. Let's give it a tra-. That's love things that Naomi had shrugged off as just Andy's business when they were dating we're now. They're problem together for better for worse. I think the friction about money really came into focus when we got engaged because she wasn't willing to spend her life with someone who was just getting by. I I felt like we're making this commitment forever. Ever we need to figure out how did not have the same fight until we die because I think a lot of couples you get in the same little arguments over and over we are who we are. Are we have our backgrounds and are triggers but I didn't want that fight to be a full boat argument to lead me to leave to make me say something I didn't really mean I wanted to nip it in the bud so that was why vote like like we should try couples therapy. I came from Pennsylvania where you only gone to therapy. If it was court ordered therapy was not a thing it was not something people did they were forced to do it like you're having having problems. I've always had some weird kind of problem emitting failure. It really hurts me to admit failure and so like early relationships that I had when I knew they were failing and I would be. I guess I should break up with this person. I would instead just let it fall apart because to me breaking up with someone was emitting failure in the same way going couples therapy was in some way admitting failure and I just I couldn't do it. When Naomi asked Andy to go to couples therapy everything inside him rebelled what if he failed it brought up the same fear he felt when he imagined himself at an office job? I will not go back to live in X.. Essentially unfulfilling life I will will not live an empty life. I will not died undignified death sitting under fluorescent lights in an office and turned into a skeleton. I just won't our guest so frustrated by that but I also knew I loved him and didn't want to leave because reme- having a partner means having half like sharing the responsibility having a little more. I wanted us to be comfortable. I didn't want to be forty five and like not be able to afford H._B._O.. H._B._O.. I know what I want. I want to do comedy in some way for living with his writing or performer something in that area and I want to be with this woman for the rest of my life. 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Morgan Chase bank any an equal housing lender when I started talking about finances and couples therapy it was really difficult because that's when my brain realized I could fail at this. That's when the bubble of hope popped a little bit I think part of like my denial about finances was as a denial of failure but there is something about Naomi that if feels right and I wish that I had some kind of words for it off can say as she feels right and and I don't want to be without her so for four Naomi. I decided to go to couples therapy there things. I want to work out there ways. I want to improve just because we're in one Rut doesn't mean we have to stay in that Rut so let's go have a conversation. Couples therapy was not a place where they fixed one another. It was just a place where they could talk freely about what was bothering them. I think it did take a little while for therapy she to really help us both because when you go into couples therapy you tend to have one person on one side of an issue the other person on the other side and it can become a little point counterpoint your honor which one of us is winning and it wasn't about coming out of a session feeling like see. He said I was right so we do my way and instead making him or like coming out of a session feeling like I see what you're saying and you see what I'm saying and now what's the middle ground we come together now. Me Is a very extra person and so there is a tendency early on our relationship for me to discount some of her emotions because I thought they were just her being extra as opposed to something she deeply felt <hes> and it really took couples therapy for meter realize her emotions may be heightened but they're all rational emotions they all come from a real place and they come from a real concern concern. If she's afraid of something we can now talk openly and honestly indirectly about the money stuff without it spinning one of us out. I tend to genuinely empathize with where she's coming from. If I care about her that I have to take on her concerns as my own I do care about her therefore I have to take on her concerns as my own one of the things we take away from couples therapy is that when you're in a relationship there's a difference between your personal threshold threshold and the threshold for the couple and so even though Andy may fell like it's fine. It's fine will be fine now that he's with me and we're a unit. He has to understand that we're now actually running on my version of fine when it comes the money because my threshold is lower like if you love the other person you will adhere to that threshold right. It's also feels better for you when I'm not actively anxious and judging every spending choice so anyway you win. I want you to feel bad about something so that just turns out whatever the threshold is that doesn't make you feel bad about whatever issue or dealing with get you a person that don't want you to feel bad. That's the main takeaway revolutionary illusionary right being a couple where you care for each other. We sit down and looking okay. How many months do we have right now? I think we talk about it before a becomes a big problem or I get so nervous in that I started to scrutinize every dollar spent even when you're in a couple it can be so taboo to talk about money or before you're married and actually sharing finances to say like. Do you have a rainy day fund. Are you prepared repaired but I think the vision of romance that we're given in our culture I think the every day day-to-day stuff punctures that it punctures that dream punctures that put the data the day to day monotony boredom fantasy Jesus Christ it punctures that fantasy and so you don't verbalize it so e just lock it in some kind of like Cask of a Monte Jato type basement in your brain and you don't think about it and then it comes out later anyway. Don't repress this stuff talk about it. You gotta eat it sister Andy D._N._A.. Omi Divvy up monthly bills and when they go out they take turns pain. They've even agreed to each have a financial cushion if things get weird or scary and when times get tough they've got each other's backs. They're certainly been times. I wasn't working. Where do you really pulled the weight and kept things going and only going through those experiences was able to see yes? He's got me you start to think about the emotional significance of what that stuff means and it is about will what what do you see for the future for both of you. What do you see as your shared vision and understanding the future and do you wanna live in squalor in order to achieve your dreams or do you want to moderate your dreams a little bit so that you can have some nice stuff and even though they go through lean times and Ian? Naomi are still managing to put money away every month for a wedding well most months anyway Andy and I I have been engaged for six years now. Don't come at new with these judgments are long engagement is not due to a lack of love or fear of marriage are long engagement has has to do with wanting to have a wedding where all of our friends can come together and celebrate and eat good food and have fun and in order to do that. You need a certain amount of money and Indian and I are doing fine but I didn't know how fun you have to do to be able to spend thirty grand in a day. I'm not in a thirty grand in a day space. It doesn't scare me to spend that amount on a day again in the future somewhere because in my mind when we're there in the future we'll have the money so it's not going to be a problem <hes> and you can. Maybe see how the logic on all this stuff works out to make me wistfully stupid. They've spent so much time talking about each each of their visions for a wedding they know each other's fantasies by heart. She wants a Rustic Barn. She loves a Rustic Barn. She can't get enough rustic barns but that's not all food trucks all the kinds of foods you could want and also Mozzarella sticks six and Ski Ball. We wanted to be an event. That's money was no object. Money is an object a very real object so for us. We definitely want a ceremony. We WanNA share a special day with the people that we love love as for Naomi's version of Andy's dream wedding it's simple. Sometimes I think Andy would be happy if we just went into the courthouse. It got buried there. He will say sometimes. I'm ready to be married. I want to be married you or he'll. I WanNa ring my finger swipe. I don't know I will be honest until you that I do not know how much longer I can wait or what to wait. You're saying too long long. People don't from excited for you too worried about it starts off a yeah you're engaged to like. Are you guys good and so I do take some of that in. I just want to get married just so I can stop answering the question of when's. Are you getting married A._M.. Starting to fuel lie all right maybe it'll be Janke but let's just do it on our next episode of the moment a couple full struggles with what equality means in their relationship who opens doors who pays and who makes all those little decisions when it comes to planning a wedding basically every single detail like think of any decision about a wedding thing that could happen. Seth had to be involved in all of those I mean this guy had three outfits from Banana Republic when we first met. How is he going to pick out decor for a wedding? If you gave this show a try and liked it please give us five stars and leave us a review on apple podcasts. If you have your own story about love and the road to marriage email us at the moment at wondering dot com you can also find the moment on spotify or wherever you're listening to this right now. Especial thanks to Naomi Paragon and Andy Beckerman for sharing their story. 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Kardashian Bonus Show: The Final Curtain Part 1

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I'm joy and where the girls line comments spicer labs and welcome back to another episode of our her dashing. Voter show he dual. It feels so good to be back. This episode was every single thing. I could have hoped for. I feel like it's all been leading up to this reunion. Don't you i really feel that way and i i genuinely feel as though their energy is one of complete willingness to just be open yet which is amazing. I really don't think this would have ever hit hard if it was done. You know after season after season. Fifteen done kind of similar things but the fact that they know that they're never going to have to go back to the same show. I really do think as allowing them to be more vulnerable or even almost more casual away you can tell they very much feel like they are closing a chapter and they want to close it in the right way like completely shut the door on it but give us everything and give then the closure. I feel like this is a lot for them. As much as it is for us. I was gonna say that. Obviously the large element here or the overwhelming one is for the public. But i really do feel that there was an element. The felt almost cathartic to them will. There's a lot of times where they're discussing something and you can. Kind of. Tell like maybe. They discussed it with one sibling. And not the other. And they're kind of going back and forth on certain things and you could tell that like there are certain things that are talking about where the other siblings hadn't heard that yet right. Obviously we'll get into all of this but one thing that strikes me hearing you say that is when and he's asking all of them if they thought that the marriage with chris was gonna work and pretty much. Nobody says yesterday. Exception of courtney and kim has its moment of like why didn't you say anything and that was one small example but i feel like multiple things like that happened. It's funny because so much time has obviously passed since then. But i thought that was still the most interesting part of all of that. It's up there for me. There were a few others. But the chris part was very much up there. Yeah i mean listen. How much time has passed between kylie. Tiga and i was still super interested in that. Yeah that was another amazing heart will just in general an khloe kind of said this or one of them said this kylie in the pre. Sit down you know you. Don't really come around slop. do you show up. And i will say we have given her shit a lot about not really being present on the show announce her decision. Whatever it was. I think having her there even though she wasn't so involved in this part definitely heighten the experience it would have been very strange for her not to show up and i think she knew that yeah. It was one of those things where she just needed to be there. Definitely i also just want to start out by saying i know you're not a robber watcher. But i have to imagine that a lot of people listening are and it was a very kind of surreal to watch. Andy do this in a way. I'm talking just specifically kind of the intro individually addressing all them and kind of having his initial intro and it was so glaringly similar to the house. Is reunions it for a second. You feel like you're on rob. It was a very weird but amazing thing that was happening in my mind. I wish i wonder what israel would say about that. It's funny these. I'm so used to hearing you guys talk about unions or like every soft and watching it with you so when i was looking at it and i'm looking at like the couch positions for a second. I was like does that matter like. Are they gonna care about that in a way that i don't i was like wait. None of that matters literally like all of them are who they are will. It's funny because yes technically. It doesn't matter however if you would have asked me before. I ever saw any photos. Who would be the two closest to andy. It would be kristen Hundred percent. I know for going like how size of oc brandon. Kelly were both just fired but they always say the seating positions close to any do carry some weight and to be honest with you. Think about how off. It would have been if kim and kris were on the outskirts. No there was no way they were going to be on the outskirts. No yeah i the last thing that i want to say before we start is just when andy kind of starts by saying none of you have any idea the question i was gonna ask and i think makes a communist thing like that is really a profound level of trust. I had that same thought. Because i can't really think of a time consciously where they've done something like this where they've outwardly said. They didn't know what was going to be asked. And you could tell me. They're talking about in the very beginning. Where they're saying. Come as says to. Andy chris's really nervous. And then kind of assuring chris before they go on that. It's going to be totally fine. And i feel like we've never kind of seen chris in that position and it was so much more a lack of control than it was actually being scared about what questions we're gonna come up. Oh completely that's what it was and how interesting that khloe. Who as we know has serious issues with control was the one that was kind of comforting her by. Yeah it was just good. I'm so excited. I literally just finished watching it like fifteen minutes before we started. And i see that you have really transcribe this. So i wanna do my best. I kind of just wanna dive in ready yet. I'm so ready. Okay so. I think the first thing we should talk about is when and he's asking about the elements of prefinished. They miss the most and chloe kind of says the paparazzi which obviously is a real end fair answer. But i guess i just loved hearing her say that because they don't often tell me if this is accurate. I don't feel that they often complain that much about the paparazzi with the exception of maybe they were pregnant. Because i feel like at least with kim she understands it kind of comes the territory and doesn't want to complain about it. If that makes sense yeah. I think they've understood. It being symbiotic relationship and also the fact that for the past however many years like they've just been present whether they wanted or not like it's just is they are in the beginning. It was kind of like what we really need as time has progressed. It's like okay. We used to need them now. They're kind of annoyance. But i don't wanna be ungrateful for the fact that they care about us. So it's it's that kind of relationship. And i thought the more interesting part of this is when kim saying in the beginning like she never really called the paparazzi ourselves but she knew exactly where to go to make sure she was photographed when she said that in the earlier seasons when she had heroin make that there was no world in which she was going to go home and take it off without getting a paparazzi shot and she would literally go to the ivy just to pick up read. You know what an honest thing to say now is water under the bridge. It doesn't matter. But i really was very clearly transported back to that time in a way i thought she had a very visceral kind of description of that. And couldn't you imagine him in. Her range rover making sure that she's pulling up in front of whatever the kits in these other stores like. I just really felt like. I was brought back to that time. Oh absolutely and you could tell. During that time that she knew how to work the paparazzi which was again one of the things. That made kim kim and she saying like i think people need to be more honest about those times in our lives when they're super desperate one thing that they want and they go after it. And that's why in. Kim has always been so great because even in these moments where she is who she is now and she's kind of progress cast the need for paparazzi. She super honest about what it was like in the beginning when she was working to get to that point oh for sure she spoke with that also a little bit as pie paris which we can get into. But i always in my mind. I don't know if this is true for you but in my mind is very hard for me to separate those two times. i know. obviously you know. The falling out with paris happened very much on kim's rise to fame. But when i think about those times. When i'm envisioning her driving robertson or driving to the ivy. Somehow paris hilton is floating around in my mind. Yeah i think just time period where you're thinking about what she was wearing in those moments as soon as you think paris ellen. Yea i think the juicy tracksuit i think the giant chrome colored louis vuitton bags all of those things absolutely so by the way just that you guys know the way that we kinda did. This is julie. Basically just transcribe pretty much. All that we highlighted some parts feel are most important. We're not going to touch on everything but we're just gonna go through. I'm so excited you can probably hear my voice like that was an amazing forty five minutes of television. I truly loved every single second of it. I know we're recording this before. It came out and i'm like so excited for you guys to watch it like i. I took a video of the screen. And i realize holy shit. I can't actually story this weekend in so much trouble. But i just can't wait for everybody to watch and unless and i'm just so happy to be here so one of the questions that andy asked was. Do you think the show would have had. Its massive success. The publicity that surrounded the sex shape and kim very transparently says probably not. And you know she's talking about how like in the moment whether it's the sex tape or things that happened now the scandal whatever. That scandal may be feels like the most suffocating thing and then you kind of realize everything happens for a reason but she even said even though she recognizes the impact of that had on her fame. If she could take one thing back it would probably be that. Oh of course and it's funny. Andy asks her like. Have you thought about the fact that you're going to have to explain it one day or have you had to explain it already. And she says that she hasn't had to but it's obviously something she thinks about. And i think what. Kim was kind of getting abbott. Didn't fully get here saying dandy was like this is such a good teaching opportunity like it is amazing teaching opportunity to be like this happened. I learned a lot from it like these are mistakes that you shouldn't make in your life. I felt the same way and when he was asking. Have you ever had to speak about it yet. And she said in my mind. I was like a like i think they are. Just too young but that day will come and i wonder if when that day does come now the film it but she will talk about what that experience was like by the way like it used to seem definitely in the beginning of keeping up with the crash or when they were first having kids like i mean it used to seem like oh god this is going to have to be a conversation like we have to prepare ourselves for this conversation. We're going to have to have about the sex tape like it. Is the least interesting thing about kim now and obviously somewhere along the line. It's going to come up but it used to seem like the second that they were old enough they were going to have to explain it because there was no way they were gonna get to middle school without it coming up. It kind of seems like now. That conversation can be very delayed because there are so many other aspects to the family and to kim specifically that the sex tape really pales in comparison like it is as present as it used to be. No and of course. I understand that uh uh saying that from our perspective not being in their mother not being in the family not carrying some of the feelings that she may carry were more separated. I get it that being said. It's just a fact. The amount of things that have occurred since then major groundbreaking things that have occurred. You know the first interracial couple on the cover of vote. The first a million things that kim has done and the social media success in the business. Success that yeah. I think it's for us for me. At least when i think about it again. I'm not her child i. It's so so so so not at the forefront of my mind of course and also it used to be like if they were talking about came crashing on. Tv show on an award like that sex tape would come up nine out of ten times it was just the punch line of every single joke about her obviously seems like eventually they were going to have to really have a conversation about because how would they watch. Tv show without ever coming up because it just seems like any single time. She was mentioned. There was the sex tape along with it and that has dissipated so so much throughout the years that it's almost when someone does bring it up because it was so long ago in it's so not president our minds and also there's a huge element of bringing it up and then it being a slut shaming aspect. So what we used to think was the most pleasant thing about kim. It's not just like kim has done so much that we've forgotten it. It's like we as a society as have progressed past the point of the need to bring that up constantly. Oh yes it is absolutely societal. It's not just a campaign you're right. 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When andy asked them about this concept of famous for being famous and chris very strongly comes back and says. I don't get that we're famous for having a tv show. which would you put it like. That is true. But i think it was courtney who made the comment about how they had a lot of haters in the beginning. It was really people from their own circle on kind of their close friends in. You know people really alienated. Chris and i don't know if this is real. Or i was just picking up on something that didn't exist but i almost felt like when they were talking about that. Chris was getting a little bit uncomfortable in a way in the sense of like. I don't think she necessarily likes to talk about. Maybe the dissipation of some of those personal relationships and maybe there are people that she's friends with now. That initially looked back on. I don't know it was like. I felt like cleon words speaking about it in a very matter-of-fact wayne protective and i feel like that was not something that chris was necessarily gonna speak on it. So interesting 'cause. I actually have two things to say about this. The first one about chris is when we were watching the show especially the beginning season season. One season two. We noted that the way they need chris out in the way she was portrayed is as if she was like the trashy got thrown into calabasas the way they were portraying. Her is not at all the view of chris that i think we would have had if we ignore her past back. Then and so it's really interesting. The fact that all of these friends kind of turn their back on chris in the beginning. Because what you would have expected. Based on the way. Chris was portrayed with her friends would have been somewhere to chris and then been on board with this. But chris weren't like that they were a bunch of other beverly hills calabasas moms so for them. You can totally understand why this seemed really low brow to them. But the way chris for trade was. This was exactly on par with chris. What's it's so amazing that you just said that because that was exactly the thought that i had usually exactly and you wanna know something. I think that. If sh- chris the chris now or the chris always was was watching her friend and the exact same thing. She had that same reaction because it wasn't really it wasn't representative her true score. You know right exactly yeah. It's so interesting. Didn't say that. Obviously and honestly really like if i'm trying to think about this i don't know if either of us would have both initially came to that conclusion. If we hadn't just rewatching the season. I don't know if our memory of how she was portrayed would have been that visited. Yeah i don't think so either. See i'm so fucking glad we do that. By the way saying the best we ever made. And the other thing that i was going to say about this is i actually feel like they could have spent a lot more time just talking about that whole idea of being famous for being famous quote unquote because they kind of shut down as if it was a complete negative. The facts of the matter is is that that idea of hoping famous for being famous catapulted this entire generation of fame. Famous we known in terms of influencers tiktok fame any sort of fame that you know people to have that. It doesn't come from commercial success in terms of singing acting whatever like that is a result of them. That is a result of the fact that you can be famous for being famous. And i feel like they could have dulled said idea more like young at the time that was considered to be a really negative now. It is the entire reason that people are famous. That is what they're chasing. And that was brought to the forefront of the idea because of paris kind of even though she was an heiress and therefore had something to show for herself but really the kardashians being famous for being famous. Yeah i was a little bit actually surprised that they didn't dive into it more. Like i understood what. Chris was saying because that does make sense you know. They became famous from reality. Show same thing that you could say about jersey shore or any of these other reality shows and personalities. But i find that one of their strengths specifically kim's is kind of like owning the stuff just like she was saying before she go where the paparazzi was. So i think they may be still view that as a negative or something. They need to be almost offensive of words. I had the same reaction that you had of like. Wait a second own that right and maybe they don't actually fully understand like the trajectory of fame in general in the way it has to do with them because also like i can understand that it would be pretty cocky for them to come on and be like all of these people who are influencers and tiktok celebrities in youtubers. The only reason that they're able to be famous for having no marketable skills. Because we were famous i for having no marketable skills like obviously. They couldn't just come out and say that but when you really understand like the trajectory of fame and the way we know fame. That's the starting point. I know it's amazing. This is this is what a good watch. Wow i am really upset that there's only two parts. I know i could have watched this for literally. An entire season of done just sitting down with andy or sitting down with different people so when andy asam about the role as a producer versus subject and how they decide what's going to be shown. I thought it was great that they gave some specific examples. Like the courtney and can fight how. Chris didn't want that to be shown which by the way is very on par with some of her nerves going into this reunion about how she never wanted them to come across as not only caddy but also as anything other than family is the most important and then for kylie and kendall to give the palm springs example and any insight that i feel like we get into kylie as it applies to filming. We are already really kind of fascinated by it. So few and far between so i was so glad to have those two examples to kind of go off on. I was shocked when they were talking about this. And saying that kylie and kendall didn't want that fight put a and then they ended up putting it in because to me. I would have imagined that if kylie didn't want it it would have been the end of the discussion. I don't know what that says about our perception or like interpretation of kylie. But i felt the exact same way and then i got a little bit more clarity when she kind of said you know later on months later. You don't feel that same way you know in the moment heating. There's no way this is going to air and then it we're okay with it kind of i have that mindset. That like she is just so. I don't wanna say but just so unwilling to deviate even slightly from what she deems as you know her her desire. Yeah definitely when chloe said by the way that the day of kim and courtney's fight is the day that the executive was on set was such an interesting piece. Information would have never had so interesting and it was such like principle in the class when you have a student teacher vibes right and that they literally couldn't now as he put it. Put it back in the bottle because the person who is partially responsible for making sure that it is good. Television sees one of the most viral reality television moments ever being created. And what are you gonna do like. Actually we're not going to put that in. There is no way right exactly. When andy asked chris which is the easiest kitchen manager which is the hardest before we get an answer. Who did you think she was going to say. Was this on par. I knew she was going to say kendall being the easiest. I didn't think she was going to say courtney being the hardest only because i thought it was going to be a measure by the amount she has to do and not by the annoyance of having to work with one of them. So interesting i thought she was gonna say kim is the easiest and corneas the hardest. I knew kendall's the easiest because all of the things that kendall the us are kind of in the same box which makes it easier to manage. Kim is kind of all over the place in a so many different appearances and things that she does and businesses. And whatever. I thought she was going to say cuyler can being the hardest just because of the work. Load the amount she does for them. I didn't think she was going to say courtney because it seems kinda low lift. But once courtney was explaining like i only do what i wanna do and even when i say yes to it i have a million questions and every single one of them answered. I was like yeah. Of course. it's courtney from that perspective. Oh so we just had a different interpretation of the question because mine was not at all about logistics. Mine was one hundred percent about like personality. And that's why. I thought kim would be the easiest according to be the hardest. It makes sense though. I wonder how other people interpreted that question because both make total sense. Yeah i was so glad. When andy transitioned into the kylie conversation. They're talking about makeup and she explains kind of like it all started with insecurity with her lips as we know and that she hadn't really focused you ought to them being small until she had one of her first kisses in. The guy said something to her like. You're a great kisser. But you have such small lips and she felt uncrossable which when she said they all have this kind of reaction of. Aw which i did as well which is a really terrible way to feel as a teenager and it was so funny. I know this is such a small moment and it was a joke and it's not necessarily real but just the way that one moment which call it what you want to her. That was obviously and it lasted with her in terms of imprint on her insecurity immediately was taken into. Okay well. how can we capitalize on. This and chris jokingly was named after him and kim's like you should do a collab- with him of course they were kidding. She's not going to do lip kit with this guy that had i kissed with however that was to me a small example of microcosm of how their brains work yes. But it's so funny. Because i had that thought to before they said it and i was like this boy was just like asshole seventh-grader and because of him kylie is a billionaire like that is the craziest example. The butterfly effect. I've ever heard right ever. I mean i think about this kid being like imagine. If i didn't comment on her lips. I know jaden smith now it. I thought it was for a second though imagined. Wasn't they do the collab- with him and it's like a whole thing. It's like combined with just water. Even if it's not him they should say it makes the story so much better beyond so i was shocked. I think said earlier. But i was shocked at andy asked about tiga me to not because i thought it was an off-limits subject. I just didn't think anybody cared besides us anymore. Oh i thought it was off limits. I don't know why like in my mind. She's just unwilling to even go there but she wasn't. I mean he asked how their relationship business she said. We're not friends but were okay. If i see him at our run into him you know. I wish him. Well have no bad feelings. But yeah you're right. I guess it's a combination of like. I didn't know other people cared and also i don't know why always view it as like tiger is kind of shunned from the family. I never viewed him as being shunned. I just assumed that if it was ever to come up in this day and age it would be a conversation age right and not that to right. Andy asked why you know. Travis wasn't really seen on the show and she just said he didn't want to be filmed. She never really pressured him. Which i think we all kind of new. And then that snowballed into a conversation about her pregnancy. And i thought her explanation was so valid as we always have you know she was really young. She was crossing it herself. She didn't necessarily need it to be for the world and there are two things here that i wanna talk about. The i was khloe making very important distinction that like kylie was just hiding this from the world but she was not hiding it from her circle and that it was a very actually together processes for everybody closest to her. That's one thing. The second thing that i want to mention is when kendall says i've obviously never been pregnant but i do think there's a correlation between what the mother is going through and how the child comes out and kylie having this com experience. Aided when stormy. And i don't know if this happened to you but i was like oh my god is khloe. What is khloe feeling in this moment. Kendall says that right probably validated will right. But i'm saying like i. I don't know if this is a fair thing to to put on her. I'm just being really honest because if anybody else had this feeling as well like i just always wondered in general and not that she should let me. Lance is not my stance. I just wonder if khloe ever carried any guilt. Even though it's not her fault at all that the ending of her pregnancy was so honestly traumatic and turbulent as a result of what happened with tristan in the delivery room experience all of it and not at all representative untrue by any means but i just wondered if she carried any of that and then to hear kendall make that observation. About the calmness of kylie's. I just wonder if chloe had that moment of like. I don't wanna to say panic but you know what i'm trying to get at. I know what you're saying. First of all missing validation was in terms of the fact that a couple of episodes ago. That's exactly what khloe saying is like she was when they were looking at the surrogates she was saying like she was being so particular about the surrogate. Because she really feels that the energy of whoever's carrying the baby than is put into the baby itself which again like in actuality. That's more of a theory than anything else like. There's no way of like specifically proved that. There's you know what i mean like. I'm sure a lot of people could have stressful pregnancies. And then have really calm amazing babies in vice versa. I think here with chloe. I don't think she carries that because it was literally the day before she gave birth. Like it's kind of like what was done was done. If the baby was going to be stressed the baby was going to be stressed that the baby is going to be easy going. It was going to be easy going the day before wasn't going to change that. I think khloe when she looks back on that time it has a lot more to do with her own stress levels and herself rather than the baby but also something that khloe did and we saw this literally on. Tv and on video with that delivery room was probably one. One hundredth of how stressful would have been for anybody else. Like khloe did an amazing job of that delivery room almost seeming like nothing was wrong. Oh my god completely. We were always in the way that she handed it. I have nothing but respect for. I just didn't know if that was something that she thought of. But you're right. I wasn't even about it as it applies to the surrogacy conversation. But that's very true in terms of like her mind that she was talking about right. There was something else that i owe. When kylie was saying that towards the end she literally couldn't leave because of the helicopters. What a of course. She's a beautiful homes but no matter how nice the house here in the fact that you feel like you literally cannot step outside because you will be completely. You know taken photos of in a way that you don't want to be seen as a pretty terrifying. I sodas links remember what she was talking about when she was saying that she had a piece of furniture. Delivered in the helicopters. Were taking pictures and its spread online that it was a crib because i so distinctly remember being like. Oh my god. She got crib delivered. And like examining every inch of that box. I know and what paralyzing feeling if you're her yet but again like that is that's the streisand effect. Like created obviously would have been a media circus regardless but the guessing game that you were playing for eight or nine months. It was like all you wanted. Was that shot. And i'm not saying it's right saying like she by keeping it a secret all of us were guilty of like. This is the thing we want most in the world. Even though we're ninety nine percent sure she's pregnant and we know that if she wasn't those rumors would have been put to rest already. All we wanted was that photographic evidence that i remember one time. She went out like she actually went out and she was probably eight months pregnant at this point and she went to get ice cream or something and they had the photos of her could see your stomach and it was like. Oh my god. I can't believe we have this photo right now. Like it created like almost it took on a life of its own trying to prove that she was pregnant in the first place let alone the logistics of the pregnancy. Which i think is actually why it was paid less attention to like okay kylie pregnant with this guy that she's not really with and it was kind of after week like that should doesn't matter but to the public that is a narrative that they could have run with. We were so focused on issue. Actually pregnant what's deal year. That narrative got pushed aside. Oh my god exactly. It's a great plan and to be honest with you. I remember very vividly being an as much disbelief about kylie being pregnant. As i was about tristan cheating on kobe with jordan. I really thought both of those there was just no way. I will never forget seeing that one photo. Because i don't think i believe it until i saw the photo. Even though the denial or the lack of denial actually. I'm kind of not addressing. it was very clear. 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Because andy brings up the quote about when. Kim says that she would buy by pair of shoes for courtney because she bought her a fucking courier and he kind of uses that as a launching. Maj ask if kim things at her sister's give her their dues for kind of making them famous and she has a great response. You know she says it. Her and chloe talk about a lot but she says that in the beginning obviously it was like a personal journey in her and kris were working together to make her famous but she knew that when they were coming around ideas for the show that she's ten times more boring in real life than the perception of she's like you know people think i'm this crazy sexy wild party girl and that's not the case she's like. I knew i needed my family to make me interesting. And what a great thing to say i. I don't know if i've ever heard her describe it in that way. She may have. I just can't remember it. And i just thought that that really kind of contextualized things in a way that gave everybody the credit that was needed and deserved while still very clearly understanding that kim was the root of it exactly and she's so right the show would not have been successful without her and i mean without the rest of the family because the perception of kim was like first of all paris hilton at the time. Was this big party girl. And obviously since she's she goes to visa and she's dj. -ing narrow the perception of kim parasol. Plus the sex tape made. It seem like when this show launched. If it was gonna be kim it was gonna be about this crazy girl and instead it took the focus off like what kim is or isn't it and put it on the entire family and allowed him to kind of shine as the person that you're interested in the family because of but it didn't put the sole responsibility of the show on her. So what can was saying was really very genius. Because had kim down this alone there wouldn't be a card kardashians. There wouldn't be kim kim. Honestly when you think about it is probably one of the most quote boring. Yeah definitely yeah. She's in a lot of ways a lot more kind of reserved in refined than some of the rest of them which is one of the reasons that she so successful in certain ways but when it comes to reality television you know. She's had her moments. But she's not a clearer courtney in terms of the like rambunctious nece. I don't know if that's rare for this but honestly kind of might you never watched the show. And you're like oh that crazy. Kim was like oh my god. Look at this family. Kim has to deal with. Yeah exactly ends. You needed them in order to show that side of her. Because i think she would have been far well less liked. Oh definitely it's also funny. Because when he asked about them giving kim their dues for making them famous. I was like i also have the question of reverse of that is like do. They resent him at all for making them. Famous you know. Maybe courtney does momentarily. And then she sits in her thirteen million dollar palm springs house that she just allegedly bought with travis and i think she is forgiven. You know. I think so too but it is an interesting question when he talks about paris. I see you highlighted this whole thing if you must have thought. This was very interesting. Which i did as well not that we necessarily learn so much but i just don't foresee myself ever really getting tired of hearing. Kim explain that situation you know. Yeah i just. I think their friendship in the trajectory and the changes over the years is so interesting. Yeah i mean. She talked about how when everything started to off. It was just kind of confusing. What's happening and they stopped talking paris to that interview when she said that thing about kim's but being like cottage cheese and a trash bag or something kind of disrespectful like that and kim just repeatedly as she always has in recent history makes it a very clear point to say not only. Are we good now. But also i don't forget my roots. And i very much understand that. She put me on and half of the experiences that i had with her. I never in my wildest dreams. Thought i would have had an i think what she was kind of speaking to was almost like aside from the very real element of exposure the paris provided. Obviously kim was known as her friends off. I think it was also like mental expansion in a way like some of the stuff that she didn't necessarily view as even being possible or in the cards she was then introduced you as a byproduct of her friendship with paris may be made her desire things she wouldn't have even know existed. Oh absolutely yes also. This is so minor but she was talking about how her in paris are good now and she's like you know we're super cool and corny. Kind of like makes fun of her for saying that so minor. That was not a big deal. But i just don't know if it's in my head or if it's real i feel like there is such attention between kevin courtney like i feel like cam is just so annoyed by courtney. Recently all that so interesting. I don't feel that way right now. I think i could be so off. I don't have anyone else. Feels that way but i just feel like they're so not on the same like vibrate now. Oh that's so interesting. Because i actually feel. Like courtney is in the best place. She's been in so long. And if anything like the annoyance of courtney comes from the fact that courtney is clearly like quote living her life and she very much is. But i think for kim and chloe maybe specifically khloe they were so used to this negative courtney that anything that's the opposite of that which is specifically what you're seeing right. Now is so. Welcome to them. That it almost doesn't matter and that's a great point and like if i hear that unlike edge you're you're probably you totally could be i can't i. I don't even have like an intellectual response to that. Because i can't pinpoint what it is. Just a general feeling at honestly some of it may come from the way in which i feel. Khloe and kim are so deeply connected in this moment of time. Maybe my mind to predations more resulted. That i don't know i haven't lost the in my mind i just I was just thinking about that. Yeah you mean. What did you think what andy was kind of talking about. Now that she's becoming a lawyer will she pull back on presenting herself suggestively or sexually and her response like. I think that i can kind of do it. All i love that i mean i thought again. There is an opportunity for him to say like the perception that i would have to do that. Or it'd be taken seriously is not one that she's going to eat into nor should anybody else have to. Yeah like that. Is that level of underlying sanjiv. Like just not something. I'm going to subscribe to. She said it without basically saying though oh absolutely she was basically like. I'm not gonna stop. Although there is an element of it has to do more with the kids than anything else in the sense of like. I don't wanna be that embarrassing mother which is also very understandable totally. It wasn't because she didn't say you don't now that i'm a mom. I don't think that i can be sexy. It was like if something that i'm doing is directly impacting. My children in terms of them feeling embarrassing. That's a whole other conversation right. What was so funny is when they're talking about sending pictures in the group chat like is this too much on that all family kind of gives their input on whether or not she can post in this. One picture that you wanted to pose evening was from her birthday. I'm not sure and she sent it to make multiple times in the group chat and they were all like enough. We've seen this picture on. The answer is on now and she says well national peach coming up so i might do it anyway. There were like no like you can't just use a made up holiday to like post. Your thirst trap will. It's funny because a five days. Because i went to her grit and she had posted this photo of her in a bikini with like peaches on the bikini top and i was thinking is this couldn't have been the photo like it's not risque enough but i wonder if it was in this bikini. That is the reason she's going to do it or he'll just picture robot. I dunno like that. I am googling national states august. Twenty second is national. Eat a peach state. I'm like okay. I have to solve. I'm into deep right. I don't know. I wonder if she posted now if she got to ask do also. I'm sorry i could not help a thing. That is literally me you and is melanie group. I'm the kim in that situation of setting two guys day later. You think now's okay. Dow exactly except they won't give in and eventually we always go. Oh god okay. Let's get into kris humphries. Yes i would love to because this is my favorite part of the entire thing same. I've spoken to. You is about this company before like multiple times. Because i genuinely love their stuff. It's called missouri and their whole thing is that they basically make fine jewelry for every day and the way it works. They of these new limited edition drops every monday so a lot of traditional retailers kind of like these seasonal releases. But there's is different. It's every monday. You're getting minus their traditional ten time. 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Dice is just gonna appear from italy and the sheer panic momentary but very real panic on kim's face was unbelievably palpable. And then she says there's no way he would have showed up and the research like that i. We would've loved that that would have been. Maybe the greatest moment of tv. Ever when andy ass. I know we talked with earlier. You know who here thought the marriage to chris was gonna last nobody answers. Except for courtney saying i kinda did in chemist shocked and according to like looking back absolutely. Not and kim has this moment of like well. Why didn't you stop me. And chris like excuse me hello enclosed says. I was the only one. Do not remember the engagement party hosted at my house and in this speech. She's saying how she basically said. This isn't gonna last. This was so interesting. Chris then says the night before after the hersal dinner i said. Can i talk to you and i basically said you know if you don't wanna do this. I don't think you should do it. And kim kind of cuts her off in his like anti quote. No what you said to me was go. I'm gonna put you in a car. no one will find you. Just leave. And i'll handle it. And i thought okay filming his for tv show. If i leave. I'm going to be known as the runaway bride forever and is going to be a huge joke and i think i just have cold feet says like oh hey guys i got this. It's just cold feet. Were filming the show and the show paid us obviously feature film show. I took my entire. And probably chris's because i wanted a bigger wedding than what they were gonna pay for so us all of our production money on the wedding so if that was fake i would have saved my money. I love something they do. That's so funny. Especially kim is like she'll take elements of it and be like like the kind of fight you with logic but it's such funny logic where it's like if this was fake. I wouldn't have had a ten million dollar wedding. I would have just kept all the money for myself. And it's like you right. You right would have done that. When courtney was talking about kris humphries. She was like. I'm pretty sure if she was doing for publicity she would have picked somebody that people actually knew and i was like. That's good logic right like all of that is actually incredibly valid right. Although honestly i want you to tell me that you can now get the visual out of your head of the night after the. Do you guys realize the insight. We're getting the night of the rehearsal. Dinner chris takes. Kim upstairs zeltser. I will get you in a car car. Go all handle it. That is the most fucking like sopranos. Should i've ever heard no really was. I mean that's amazing. I cannot believe we just got that. I can't either. And i think that that was probably the biggest revelation of this entire thing because nothing they said in this. If i'm being honest was like ground breaking brand new information we never would have gotten that. It was just amazing to hear them answering all these questions so honestly in a lot of things that i genuinely wanted to know but nothing that like rocked me and this was the only thing where i was i think also just in general like going back to what we were saying about tiger and how i kinda saw that he was off limits like talk about that to the nth degree with kris. Humphries obviously can has spoken about it. It's not like she never talked about it but we know for a fact. They're serious bad. We never knew that there was bad blood with tigon according to kylie. There's not we know for a fact. That is very very negative with chris and so i feel like any time. He's brought up especially in this group way. It almost feels forbidden to me. Yeah i was surprised that they let the conversation. Go on for as long as it did. I wasn't surprised that they brought it up. I imagine that she would have answered questions about it. I imagine there would have been something. But the fact that there wasn't this underlying. Let's just quickly move onto the next thing and forget this conversation. That's what i was surprised about. Yeah and when andy asked. Would you say partially went through with the wedding because of the show and she very clearly says yes. I will say because. I felt pressured. I felt like i was going to let everyone down. And andy acid in the first few weeks. Did you feel you were going to go the distance and she says we get to italy for our honeymoon. And i have this moment of like fuck. I think i made the wrong decision. Choose like i went to new york. And i was miserable. And that's when she literally looks at the camera and says anybody out there a few of cold feet and you're watching this. it's not it phrasing when anti asser julie like in the marriage to chris. Was there one moment that made you say. I have to end now. And she's so clearly remembers the fact that his size show which is around the hotel room she was like. I gotta get out of here to me. That was such a small anecdote that was so telling s you her like mental and emotional state during that relationship. I could genuinely picture her looking at these shoes. And getting Totally understood what she was saying me too especially because we feel such a deep understanding of her and the way that she operates. And how you know especially looking. I know a lot of it has to do with. Can't even looking at her house now and again. It's i know it's not about the shoes. But like how this kind of middle type Vibe contributes her overall sanity and mental clarity like those shoes were anywhere. I just envision her fucking losing it. Yeah i so understood that. What did you think when she was saying how she feels. She broke up with him in the worst way that she does feeling shows him an apology. I wasn't surprised that she said that. I felt like she had been honest about feeling like her. Downfall was the way she handled the not the fact that she went through within the first place whereas i feel like for him his issue with her is that she went through with it right which she by the way spoke to after the fact. She was kind of clarifying the annulment and how he wanted a moment. He's very faith-based. I have made him happier in the only way to do that. If you check off fraud and choosing that she thinks that that's kind of the root of the public speculation as you heard doing this. Just for fame will what was so interesting is when she says like if i was more mature i would have just gone with the annulment aka. If i was more mature and secure i would have just said. Let him get what he wants to be. Happy let him say it was fraudulent. We'll just call it in a moment. Even if i know it wasn't fraud all just let him allow that it was. I can explain that a later day. And we go through with the annulment and i thought that's what was really interesting because she couldn't say like i'm knocking. Allow my name to be dropped through like this her reputation that is so different than it was now so different and it just goes to show how much more like self assured. She is an an comfortable with herself. Not as only a celebrity but also as a businesswoman as like an established figure in hollywood. This entire marriage to. Chris was like her proving something every single step. The why like the idea to get married in the first place to someone she didn't really love was about. You know this pressure. She felt that she had put on herself. But like okay. Courtney has a baby chloe and lamar like i need to move on with my life so there was that element of it. The going through with the wedding was like okay. There's this perception of already. Like if i don't go through with it like people are going to hate me. So there is that and then the attempt to make it work verse and the attempt to like not have it be an omen is all about public perception as well whereas now you get kim where she's like. I am so assured with myself. I know exactly who i am. The public knows who i am. They like me or not. And nothing i can do is going to change that. So however it plays out is how it's going to play out. That is not the can we were dealing with the kim. We were dealing with back. Then was every single thing she did. She was thinking about what the optics on her was going to be. And that's how you can sum up this entire era of her life. that was kris humphries. Yes yes and let's keep in mind. They divorced in two thousand thirteen so that was eight years ago. And so obviously we can't do this right now but i bet that if you went back through those eight years you could vary almost mathematically track the progression like i think it's actually very quantifiable kind of those moments and the turning points and what's particular things contributed to her greater sense of being self assured and and kinda just transition from like wait. Hold on. I need to do what i do for myself. Exactly also the craziest part of this was when she signed that surround. I believe she's told it before of when she's at the beverly hills hotel. She's look like eight months pregnant was saying she's holding north in her hand. And kris humphries is there with all his friends and they're sitting at the tables back each other in all of his friends get up and say either and he doesn't move and i was like. Could you imagine being like at a third table during that watching all this. Go down. Obviously not know. If you're there on that day you witnessed history. You witness fucking history. Imagine can our worst nightmare. I feel like to be. I mean to be in that scenario. That is so crazy to me. I cannot get over that story. Actually the fact that they were both there at the exact same time especially also because she has been so vocal about like how physically uncomfortable she was with her pregnancy was saying specifically and so when you add that in to like the whole situation i can just imagine that being quite literally the last scenario she would ever want to be put in. Yeah exactly also imagine if we were there in the same state that we were there. When we're there last week no would not have been a good scenario. You guys is about to leave to lie down because she too i. i can't even have. We can't even get into it. I'll tell you one thing. We've had a lot of beverly hills hotel experiences. None of them. None of them have even a tiny fragment of that kind of energy as being there with kim and kris at the same time. It's like none of every time we go. We're like who are we gonna see and it's nobody every single time you're going to tell me ben stein's on a celebrity. I can't get his bedside conversation. Oh god of okay so fuck. I love this. Are you having the best time. And having the best time because also we're about to transition into the county jail In that so good. I know i know so andy said sir. We saw glimpse relationship with connie over the seasons. At what point in your friendship did you say. I'm in love with this guy. And she explained that she has before that six months after her divorce from chris. Basically called canyon was like. You're not even gonna call me to say. I told you so. And she says they met up six months later and it was that first night that she kind of knew it was over and i couldn't get enough of just watching her talk about that time because something that you and i have spoken about so much like regardless of what has gone down in the last few years and the real deep sadness that i think kind of surrounds the ending of their relationship. What can never be lost. Is the very fairytale beginning. And the very fairytale story that they had in a lot of ways not just in the grand gestures he would do but also in the transition from friendship to romance and so to hear her. Reflect on that when we haven't heard about that in so long there was something beautiful about that one hundred percent. There's also the conversation of you know the siblings can their do. There is an element of kim owing connie her do for the elevation of kim. When we talk about how has the ability to say like fuck it. I am i. Am you know who. I am not going to do this. Bullshit anymore to try and change perception of yours. Save my immature. That comes from the relationship with conway that relationship elevated her. And obviously who can is is not credited. Connie chemists who she is in she is an incredibly smart and calculated businesswoman but the way that she was perceived by the public that elevated her from like fame in terms of this is the most famous reality star. It's like this is the most famous person and we can take her seriously in circles of fashion and serious conversation so much of that came from her relationship with connie connie telling her like these things. Stay not things you don't believe in let's take your closet elevated to a different levels so that you become this fashion icon and i think tim is grateful. Obviously for her family in the things that kinda has provided her with first and foremost the her four kids the marriage that she had. But there's also an element of kim. Like you said she doesn't forget where she came from. And i think she'll never forget what connie did for her in terms of elevating her. No and i think that like i feel like people that are listening to this completely. Get what you mean. Obviously talk about this a million times before but like it's a new set it right like it's not that kim all of kim's amazing qualities come from herself her mind and her and her work ethic in all of the way that she was raised as are all things that come individually. Connie that being said it's just an objective fact that specifically has it applies to the fashion world which i do think catapulted into other ways. The level of seriousness would not have existed. I can't say ever but not at the time that it did if it was not for connie and there's no clear example of that then the net goal is and the progression of the meccas. Yeah absolute listen again kim. As a genius the way kim operates the business person that she is and every single element of her is just who kim is inherently and all of her fame as a result of her hard work. And what she has done. Skims is a result of her brain and her work and what she's done k. Wbz etc all of those things. It's just you can only do so much from your own work to change public perception of you and to change the perception of you at the highest levels of fashion industry. In whatever like you can only do so much hard work to achieve that relationship with cotton yay took that to a different level. It's just objective. Fact and kim kim gaining that respect and kim proving herself in those spaces was a result of ken. It's just the ability for her to get there on the ability for her to be seen in perceived differently. A lot of that came from qatar. Yes of course in. you're right. She's the first one to say that. I mean there was just one moment before we switch to him asking. Why didn't work when she says my marriage with connie my kids was immediately corrected to is so real and lots of love to me. That was my first real marriage that will one the like immediate change from past present like the worst is but just hearing the way that she kind of things about her past with relationships and marriages in just. I don't know it's no secret that obviously the connie one was on a different level. But i just. I guess i could just never get tired of hearing her talk about it. Yeah and the way. She talks about canoes Because i think there is that element of he's given me so much that even if these last years weren't exactly how i wanted like. She makes a comment. Like you know i'm not gonna say that andy asks her question about it and she's like i'm not gonna say anything negative about him like i will continue to be conscious biggest fan. He's the father of my children. Like i think kim really wanted to get into her inner feelings. There's a lot of negative things she could say. But i think the way that kim handles herself in the way him handle situations prevents her from ever kind of bringing any nastiness into it and i think he's happier that way i don't she wants to spew any sort of hate towards him because like she said in the last of the calmness is her superpower and her calmness and being able to approach her. Divorce is only going to benefit her in the long run for sure and she literally said like yes. I would never bring it up on. Tv in general. She's like but it wasn't just one specific thing you know. It was a general difference of opinions on a few things. And i think the general sentiment that she wants to kind of communicate aside from what you said about not going to save adware was also just. I need everybody to really know. It still is important to me that the public knows that. Like i did give it my all and i think the worst thing anybody can ever say to her like you just gave up. Which again like. It's so interesting to me that that's her perception that she feels the need to emphasize that. Because i can't think of one single person that would have watched the progression of conway and thought kim didn't give it her. All that would have been their opinion of what had happened like. I thought you know when the divorce announcing came out people were sad because of the qiming. Honey that used to be. But i don't think anyone was out here being like a wolf camera. Tried a little bit harder. Like i can't believe kim would divorce him at the public was incredibly understanding to the fact that that marriage was just not going to work anymore. I know and actually i. It's funny you say that. Because i don't agree with you. I don't think that the public sentiment. Gosh she said she really just gave up. She didn't try hard enough clearly that's projection. I mean like clearly that's something. She's struggling with her in herself. 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Subscribe must be twenty one or older. When and the ask could you see yourself with a non celebrity is like the best thing ever said. Yeah absolutely someone that would understand what this life is about and you know she saying like what i value now is privacy and and so different than what i used to value. And when andy asked about the fucking. Dan jones dating room. And he says there that you're dating ben jones. She's again anteks means that this has gotten me so many dates and i'm so grateful he then brings up a luma. She's like no not dating either. One just seem aluminum. Miami is very nice. Like i had to catch myself because i was smiling so big. That van jones getting a lot of dates from the rumor thing is so funny but also when she says i'm not dating either one. I was waiting for her to be like. I'm not dating anyone and she didn't say that so i do wonder if there's something that she's not saying there well or even if she's not dating anyone you know a very like not fine response but very kind of palatable or non dramatic response i guess what i'm trying to say is a very kind of diplomatic response would have been like well. You know. i'm just there's so much going on. I'm not really focusing dating right now. And she didn't say that either so even if she's not dating someone it seemed like she was open to it. Oh it definitely seems like he's open. I'm going to lose. It will the reason that i always assumed she was open is because especially on the show the way she described the end of a relationship with connie had so much at least what she was putting out. Maybe it's not how she feels internally but at least which was putting out to the public was like. I thought i do this marriage where we see each other really infrequently any constantly moving placed plays. He comes home and he moves to a place place. I only see him every so often. I thought i could do that as i'm you know. Hit my fortieth birthday. As i'm getting older. I realized more than that. Like it was always kind of the element of like. It's not just like. I'm getting a divorce because this isn't working. It's like i'm getting a divorce. Because they need more in the more would then naturally mean dating somebody else. So i kind of always assumed by the way she was portraying the end of her marriage that she was very open to dating and actually that was her goal and by the way she was describing which was obviously minimal. Is exactly what we always talk about like alexis on equivalent an amal clooney male equivalent. Like that type of vibe right. Exactly right like somebody who gets the life but also values privacy like everything that we have. Speculated on is very on par. Yeah i am so excited to see who it's going to be i. I know eventually it's going to be somebody in. We're gonna find out. And i cannot wait for that day. That's going to be a very exciting day for all of us. I just want you guys to raise your cells for that. I have to agree. So when andy which is garrison. He asked me who she thinks handles fame the best. She says kim handles at the best. She feels like it gets to chloe. And i think we all knew that kim handling best to be the answer but chloe kind of just you can see. She's actively trying to unpack why this is happening to her. She basically says like it's definitely been more than i think. It's kind of just a combination of fifteen years being the punching bag. Like it's every fucking time she talks about it. It's so upsetting in. And i feel for her just so deeply. Yeah me too. And i think it's kendall that kind of jumps and she's like you know there's an element of it's all of that has vowed but you've also been through a lot of trauma and she's like. I think it's only now kind of catching up with you. In terms of the fame element of it. And i so understood that khloe is clearly the one that has the hardest time but also khloe was always the one that you know put on this act of having really thick skin and nothing got nothing bothered her and i think just now. She's finally admitting that does get in a does bother her and allowing herself to feel those emotions so it's not like it's changed anything throughout the year is like it's definitely gotten worse. Actually there are some elements that may be gotten better but it's definitely other elements have gotten worse in terms of the public perception of her in the way people talk about her. But i think the difference isn't that it's finally getting her. I think she's allowing herself to admit that it got star. Yeah we'll also. I mean the point. Kendall made was not some sort of like profound discovery. If anything it was. Actually i was surprised. Khloe didn't say that herself. You know right. Yeah me too right. Like that's makes so much sense. You also went through literally one of the most like traumatic experiences. And i just think he brought a lot of stuff to the forefront. Yeah exactly. Also when andy was talking to him about the robbery which i know we spoke about a million times. I thought a really interesting kind of revelation from this conversation was khloe saying that it changed kim in terms of the way she is with her relationships and the way she prioritizes things which you know not to say she wasn't a good sister before but like there clearly was a direct at her. I know generosity of kindness or spirit or her priorities and i. I had don't know if i had heard that explained in that way. No i hadn't either and it was really interesting. The way the khloe said it in unexplained it. And i wonder if that's something that kim was really consciously aware of or if it kind of just happened as a result of the trauma and hearing khloe say it was like. Wow that that did happen. I have to imagine that it was a total product. I really do because anytime we've spoken about it. We've talked about it. From a material aspect you know the way in which she flaunted stories the level of security the may be how she does prioritize having kind things i never thought that that manifested itself into her relationships with the people around her. And how clearly how. Much her focus on the other. Things is actually taking away even unknowingly from the strength of of those connections. Exactly that's what it was. It was that. I didn't think that i knew her. Priorities had shifted after the robbery. I never thought that the way she prioritized material things was impacting. Her relationships are impacting. Her other priorities. I thought it was just like that. One then got lowered. I didn't realize that like one getting lowered met. The other got raised totally. I thought that they were happily coexisting. And if anything appoint of just being made fun of not necessarily point of like a blockage but it probably was a unacknowledged our subconscious blockage. They didn't think that that she was a bad sister and now that she was they probably just didn't realize this other world that it would open. Yeah definitely and you know this kind of ends with a few things. One andy asking khloe about if she feels like she shared a lot more for personal life. Than courtney kendall and kylie and chris and she just makes that point valid her and kim have spoken about this and that it's one thing if the rest of them don't have things going on in their lives and the focus on one but it's more so and she brings the example of corny. Like when courtney had this boyfriend and they weren't even allowed to mention it like that felt on fair. I really i understood that yes. I totally understood that. 'cause i always think that was weird. It's like we're literally seeing pictures of them. She's post them. There's paparazzi pictures any wearing yet. He's not even mentioned on the show. One single time definitely not by name. That was always weird to me riley. You're still on the show you still signed up for this At a certain point. I know i think him not being on. The show is totally fair but the fact that they weren't allowed to bring it up just feels. I feel like if i were them. I would have very much understood that frustration. I have to say what i thought was really interesting. Move off from this topic. But andy says to her like. Do you think that your relationship with scott could have turned out differently if you didn't share so much on tv. And she goes probably and then says like of course. Everything happens for a reason. It's what it's meant to be. That was never my impression of their relationship. Same ever i actually didn't even for a moment think that sh- i'll put it like this. I didn't even firm moment think that she would have that. Interpretation of it me are and i can understand where it's like okay. Maybe our relationship didn't work out because of the fame element whereas like scott was getting simultaneously. More famous as our relationship was kind of had its fall in there for let him two more opportunities in war behaviors. That courtney didn't approve of and that didn't feel safe within and wasn't right. Look all of those things i understand. Being a byproduct of fame. I never once felt like outside opinions of their relationship or the stress of being in the public. I had really anything to do with their downfall because you could so clearly seed what it was outside of it and it was so much bigger than like people having opinions of what they think of you like. So much of it was scott's behavior that really had nothing to do with really like together. I don't like you together. I feel this way about your relationship. Yeah well do you think that's her real answer I think that it is a way of her simplifying very complex situation. Yeah exactly that's how i feel. I don't know if it's i i'll put it like this. I don't even know if it's worth so much analyzing her response. Because i don't know if her response was that well thought out if somebody actually challenged sure on that a little bit more. I don't know she would have stuck with that. I think like oversimplifying. It is probably the best thing for her like mental sanity right now right whereas that be the worst thing for scott here is the separation of what happened right. You know the few last things. One andy asking you about the idea of these kind of like rumors in the way that they would do it as they would send things to certain people in the group see who the rat was and kim says at. That was the case with north. But she didn't make the clear enough to know who let it out. How do you screw that up. I don't know if you're going to go to that length. Of course i'm sitting here like marsa obviously was fucking larisa. I loved the corey conversation. Yes me too. It was so funny. Also when chris is talking about how she feels like it was really meant to be and the way they met. Was you know. She was with kim in spain for twenty four hours and they happen to me than they happen to have all of these mutual friends. It was just bait and kendall city. Initially i was i was with you guys like i was in spain to and noting knowledge. Her and she's like no. It's whatever don't worry about it. I know that was really funny. Yeah when she said six years which. I obviously knew but i was like shit and she thinks i mean the way that she was talking. It's like they're in it for the long haul. Oh definitely are. I would be shocked if she presented that any other way. Yeah and then we kind of end off on a cliffhanger with asking about caitlyn's transition and if she thinks they would split up if it wasn't for the transition and she says she does think so and only other insight we get onto this before the next episode is when he said. Did you know at that time. The caitlyn plans a transition and she says no question of whether or not they would have split up had it not been for. The transition is such a complicated question because it just seems like if caitlyn didn't transition like as that sole thing would that be the reason that you guys split up. There's also the whole element of like because of the stress that caitlin was under. And you know that the hatred that she of felt the anger and taking that out on chris. There was that huge element of that as well. Where it's like. It really created a very hostile environment for everybody because there was just so much anger and hatred in until caitlyn transition. Chris didn't really understand where that was coming from. So i guess if you take out the transition element like if you're asked the question of like if kaitlyn never transitioned in also didn't have those desires are didn't want to do that. I didn't feel like that's who she was. Would you guys have divorced. Because that's an entirely different question than what andy asked. Yes i mean that plays directly into the over simplification point that we were talking about earlier. It's it actually Answering no to that in my opinion would not have communicated the reality of the situation. Yeah yeah yeah that was. There was a lot there. I don't know this is fucking amazing. You guys like i. I am so glad that we got this. I'm so excited for the next one. Okay well we will see you guys for the next part next week mazing. I'm so glad to be here so glad to have this space processes altogether and we love you guys.

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Reaction continues to come in to news of Tom Vilsack's USDA appointment

The Big Show

07:20 min | 8 months ago

Reaction continues to come in to news of Tom Vilsack's USDA appointment

"Right now you can get black. Friday deals all month. That her sins kia. If you're looking for a new car. Check out the great deals. That hirszon's kia zero percent financing available and lisa's starting at only ninety nine dollars check them out at hurson. Kia dot com have a comment. Maybe a picture share them to us on the pioneer seeds. Text line five one five nine fifty four ninety one. That's nine nine five four nine one joining me during the big show. Today's spencer chase from washington. Dc agra pulses who spencer rights four and keeps us up to date on. What's going on in the nation's capital spencer. When we talked last we had things we were talking about. Moving forward with the bill to add a little more stimulus back in the economy however since then the biden future administration has named tom vilsek as their pick for secretary of agriculture. And that's got a lot of iowans and farm groups talking as well and what we've heard is most farm groups would be okay with that decision. Yeah i mean secretary. Sack is obviously a known commodity within connector culture. Given his eight years on the job i under the obama administration a lot of groups are going to be very supportive of of the secretary Just because again someone who knows the john he can get to work on day one and also he's going to bring probably a more pragmatic approach than some of the other potential candidates. That were that were considered You know of Some of the more contentious issues in food policy that Usda won't be dealing with on by keep in mind. The secretary vilsek is gonna face some opposition from some of the more progressive wing within the democratic party. You know there are some very frustrated in terms of his record on civil rights issues at the departments or at least apartments record on civil rights under his tenure A lot of concern about You know what exactly. Usda will do in terms of fighting hunger in the wake of the coronavirus. Pandemic as well as You know looking for some additional securities for workers and farm labourers and so A lot of things are going to be on secretary. Those sex played just by the nature of the job but also by the nature of getting You know the necessary confirmation at this point. We don't have any sanders that have come out and said that are going to You know make any particular amount of noise about the secretary villa sacks nomination but it definitely bears watching speaking of corona virus next round of aid Still being talked about. What do you think it might hold for agriculture. Well at this point it's hard to say really You know we've seen a film of about nine hundred eight billion dollars that has been produced by negotiators this week. The had to the tune of about fifteen or twenty billion dollars in drank agra agriculture assistance bites on. That bill is seeing some. You know those negotiations in that bill in particular scene some resistance in the senate really whatever they're going to do on coronavirus relief Agriculture is is not going to be the headline issue on it Really needs negotiators. We're going to have to sort out how they're going to deal with the main republican priority of providing y ability protection for businesses and the main democratic priority of additional state and local aid. I through you know through this virus assistant and so it appears that agriculture is a decent place when they when they get down to be single. She ation but braggart culture to get any assistance. It's going to have to be part of a bigger broader more comprehensive eight baggage spencer. We've heard there are some concerns with milk and dairy issues between the us and canada. What can you tell us at this point. We know that that was how the big issue for. Us agricultural going into the renegotiation of the north american free trade agreement now the us mexico. Canada agreement And so that is something that They're looking to address the. Us trade representative did file an enforcement action against candidate here this week looking to resolve some of the provisions issues again. This is something you know dairy issues between the us and canada guam. Got an issue going back to you. Know candidates supply management issues class seven milk policy. Really the fact of the matter here. is that This is actually the first. And i think when noting this is the first and enforcement action than any country is filed under us nca and the united states. You know taking canada to task on. Its dairy provision. Spencer if he could sam Some up the lame duck session for agriculture are. What what what would you say. The highlights are so i. I think it's it's one of those things that we're trying to figure out what's really going into the lame duck. We knew that had two main priorities going on They had to find some kind of way to fund the government and they had to find some kind of way to figure out what they were going to do on corona virus aid. And here we sits you know what was originally supposed to be the last day of the link dot now. They've extended it for another week and those questions still remain. You know at this point. Congress is doing itself another week to find government funding fixed. There doesn't seem to be too much concern over whether or not they will be able to accomplish that. But i think there is more you know a growing level of concern overthrown by our state Both the leadership on both parties in both chambers has spent the right thing. They want to get something done here in the month of september. They don't wanna pump this into january but at the same time when it comes time to the negotiating table and actually come up with legislation. It's a much more difficult process better. I mean outside of those things has progress on the water resources development act. Which is i would see to water infrastructure moving commodities along locks damn system but those two big main priorities still remain and still remain unanswered at this point. Spencer how can we find out. More about agra pulse absolutely we have You know a a weekly newsletters daily coverage that keeps you up to date on things that are going on foreign policy here in washington. Dc we do offer a free trial to that to serve risk to learn more about that. At agricole's dot com agra pulse dot com. Spencer chase joining us today on the big show about that Young andrew spencer chase joining us with an update on. What's going on in washington. Find it andy kind of ironic and maybe we'll talk a little bit later on but it looks like the very first challenge to the us mca between canada. And the is going to be over dairy exports. Your neck secretary of agriculture is just coming off as being head of the dairy export federation. I'm just thinking out loud right. I mean. I don't know that anybody's surprised that dairy would be the first challenge because of course that was the big deal or one of the deals with candidate was getting that supply system under control. So maybe one of the reasons that time bill sack was selected for the position. Think well i think among many many others but more coming up on the big show right now you can get black. Friday deals all month. That her sins kia. If you're looking for a new car. Check out the great deals. That hirszon's kia zero percent financing available and lisa. Starting only ninety nine dollars. Check them out at hearses. Kia dot com.

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Flow Your Way Through

The Angry Therapist Podcast

11:50 min | 3 months ago

Flow Your Way Through

"Hi my name. Is john kim. I'm a therapist who went through his own rebirth. Many years ago. And i've been documenting journey ever since sharing my life lessons and revelations i believe in casual clinical with you instead about you. I come unrehearsed on purpose. Because self held doesn't have to be so copying so a lot of things fall on our feed on the internet. And most of it i would say is repetitive. We've heard it before you're probably thinking about my stuff that you see. If you follow me and saying yes. I agree john. It's repetitive and generic. But i found something today that i wanted to share with you. It just really landed for me. And i think it's going to do the same for you. I don't know how it can't okay. So here it is. If the vibes aren't organic walkaway. If d energy feels off leave it alone if your spirit doesn't want it don't resist the rejection by forcing your way through each chapter. You're only creating more delays more obstacles and more roadblocks to appear in your path by flowing. Your way through your journey. You're allowing alignment with yourself with the right people the right opportunities in the right doors to walk through except what is don't keep trying to make changes in areas of your life. You have no control over let go of what was there is no need to keep entertaining your past. It's behind you for a reason. Follow the things that bring you peace to your soul. Don't bother wasting your precious energy on anything else. Your journey depends on it man. This hit me like a punch punch from mike tyson this morning and i went to go through this. Because you know this lines up with the stuff that i talk about when it comes to your state dropping into your body seeing your your state almost as an equaliser where you are playing with the travel the base the you know pitch where It's the perfect sound for you. And so you're just maneuvering at a higher frequency. I think this is the way to take a breath and reduce anxiety. And when i say a base in trouble and all that i'm talking about maybe your mindset. I'm talking about your attitude. I'm talking about your perspective. There are so many dials to that equaliser that we can play with that gets us to a a a really good state. You know so. Let's kind of go through this. Okay the first is if divides aren't organic walkaway. And i think the question here is how do you define organic and everyone can define it differently. I find that when things are seamless when things happen in your life. They're seamless whether it's someone that you need or The the the rolling out of an idea usually that is bigger than you usually. That was meant a lot of the things that have happened in my life that i tried to force will actually. They did not happen. Because i tried to force them but a lot a lot of the stuff that i that have happened in my life. That were huge. There were significant. That has changed me in. My life are the are the stuff. There are things that were seen. This there were ganic right. So if divides don't feel organic walk away. If the and your energy feels off leave it alone and energy is a word that i man. I used to just associated energy with battery life in these days I think energy is is really important. I've been trying to monitor energy absorb it's Notice it my own energy. Andy kind of energy around the you know the people and projects that i wanna be around in. So if the energy feels off Leave it alone if your spirit doesn't want it don't resist the rejection. I love this idea of tapping into your spirit. You know. we're such heady creatures. We think logically often probably most of the time and so to really kind of feel. What is your spirit saying you know. Does your spirit want to do this or be with this person or you know go go somewhere right dropping into to your your spirit and the practice of listening to your spirit right for by forcing your way through each chapter. You're only creating more delays more obstacles and more roadblocks to appear on your path. I this reminds me of when. I say you're gonna take the long way home if you don't listen to your truth and yet i spent most of my life trying to force things putting everything on hold until it happened right and of course things didn't happen because i don't have that kind of power to force things and wasted lots of My twenties waiting enforcing by flowing. Your way through your journey you're aligning yourself with the right people the right opportunities and the right doors to walk through. Yes the question is what does flowing your way through your journey. Look like and i don't see flowing is being lazy right. You're not sitting on your couch. And winning and crossing fingers flowing does require a routine. Hard work grinding. You know working. Hard flowing require structure. Today's that you don't feel like getting out of bed that you you get out of bed right so i think the word flowing kin can be mistaken for just trusting the universe and doing no work. That doesn't i don't think that's that's what flowing means i think flowing is actually working really hard to get into a state where there is flow where us track of time. You're catching momentum you take. For example writing writing is a tedious. Love hate journey. And if you say to yourself once going gonna flow. So i could write a book. Yes there might be moments of that but it's it's a lot of days of just staring at a blank screen to your is played. You know that doesn't mean that. You're not flowing. Because when i think of flowing i'm thinking of cumulatively so if you are committed to say writing and you're riding every day yes some days are going to be hard but some days you're going to hit flow but overall i think you are flowing you're pushing forward. You are sharing your story or whatever you're writing about so i just i love that Flowing your way through your journey all except what was short but superpowerful don't live in time machines. Don't go in the past except to what was don't keep trying to make changes in areas of your life you have no control over Yeah let go of the things that you cannot control right let go of what was this is a big one many of us Replay the past and we're holding onto things whether they are relationships or opportunities and we're asking ourselves you know. I wonder what would have happened if this road or if i have done this. Or if she never last me or you're just creating a lot of what ifs and your living in fantasy right. You're living in the past in the here now. So i think that is wasted energy now. It is appropriate to reflect right into revelations. I think it's okay to visit the blackbox investigate. But it's not okay to live there if you spend most of your days in your head whether it's the past or the future you're not living. You're just existing. There's no need to keep entertaining your pass. It's behind you for a reason. what i love about. This sentence is for a reason. It's behind you for a reason. It happened for a reason. Follow the things that bring peace to your soul. Don't bother wasting your precious energy on anything else. Okay now. Let's talk about soul. What does that mean to you. It's a word. I i rarely use before. It's something that. I am still kind of exploring but i'm interested i'm fascinated. I'm curious about soul followed things that bring you peace. I love the word peace. Because there's a calm. There's an acceptance. There's a grounding and that helps me a lot in the last sentence is your journey. Depends on it. And everything. I said before that is meaningful and your journey depends on it anyway. I hope this was helpful for you as great reminder for me this morning and of course You know these words are gonna mean different things to different people so wherever you're at in your journey Think about these things. Think about what feels organic. Think about energy and saw and flow states and alignment and a lot of these words. I can sound a little wound abstract but if you attach an honest meeting to them right Something that Attach meaning that. That means something to you. I think they can be powerful anyway. Thank you for listening. I wanna tell you real quick before you go about our lab this community is thriving and growing like minded people helping each other making each other accountable. And we're having a great time doing it. So if you haven't checked out the lab check us out. 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Denise Richards Departs RHOBH, Selena Gomez Talks Exes, Jenna Bush's Pregnancy Worries - Daily Pop 09/10/20

Daily Pop

20:26 min | 11 months ago

Denise Richards Departs RHOBH, Selena Gomez Talks Exes, Jenna Bush's Pregnancy Worries - Daily Pop 09/10/20

"Welcome to daily Bob. Today after season drama tears and cheating accusations, Denise Richards is leaving the housewives. Things get all kinds of crazy last night on Bravo. Denise was once again forced to talk about her alleged hookup with brandy brandy double down telling Andy. Cohen. Exactly. What she claims happened between them. Is You're not a friend of mine denise you can't keep lying. You just can't Lisa. You can't keep playing this card either and playing this game. I'm telling you right now. We'll, where is brandy? Brandy. Where's Brandy hold on? You know what? This is bullshit. Why isn't brandy here to do this with you Lisa Why would this even be about me and brandy? She's not part of our show. The first night I met Denise. We made out in the bathroom. She asked to see my because she said, she had to get her boobs. Redone we went to the restroom she drew me against the wall making out but we were wasted and it was fun and I'm like I'm down for fun and then she invited me away to her set. and. That was in. Wow. Okay we know that denise eventually storms off stage but all that will go down next week when the reunion wraps a source close to the show says, denise did not think housewives was a good fit for her. She hasn't kept in touch with most of the cast and things left on bad terms obviously, not a lot of new inside there. We kind of guests all that anyone surprise denise as walking away. I think that these if probably so shocked that Andy had brandy and watch what happens live I know a lot of the women thought the reason why Brandy was not involved in the reunion is because denise got her blocked from doing it and I think denise probably thought that she had. On Bravo she is Epping Denise Richards after all as she says. So for Andy Have Brandy on I, think the niece just realized that she didn't have any power in this game and by the way. You know what you're getting yourself into. Why would you go on amazing race and be upset when there's no craft services like you're on survivor, you're going to be hungry housewives woken out. At the end of the day, this storyline for me has really outline I. Mean I don't know about you guys but it sort of just become this. She said she said he said she said it she said she said. That was five somebody in studio but now I just look at this point it's brandies claiming this. You can believe her denise's claiming this. You can believe her but like really not getting anywhere right there's really no resolution and I actually when I watched the reunion last night, I was really kind of happy to see andy kind of step in and say you know. What actually, there were internal conversations at Bravo. We all know how those conversations go. There's a lot of dialogue that happens when people wanNA present certain things on air, and when he said when you said this, it was just too far and we felt like we hit a kind of a wall that was a little bit too disgusting to keep talking about it so. that. was really why she wasn't there yet. But that was weird because it was like you know you went too far when you said this yet we played it and put it in the episode, and now we're talking about it now. Don't you mind that a little that's a little right i. just don't feel like denise was able to strong arm the whole network do you just cannot imagine i? And Brandy Brandy if she wasn't going to any CO and she'll talk about it like he's an open book that's why we brandy right one hundred percent. But this is the dumbest move I think someone can make didn't never leave a reality show you're on the bottom like you'd never leave the reality show I was thinking because you know what that one season to redeem but I feel like denise. Well. I think she doesn't see the light at the end of the tunnel right now. Phone, a friend, your phone, your gay, and you say what happens after your second season on housewives everyone knows you go on the show the first season it's a lot fast the second season it's a little up. The third season. Somebody else has to be the whipping boy. I. Mean you know these housewives really well, do you think they even want her back? I think after all of this, they would have welcomed her back and been like listen. This is our jobs. This is what we do but I think what was happening was denise was making all these demands and needs wasn't showing up to this place wasn't shown up to that place. If we're all read, you know working on something and you decide to phone it in seventy percent of the time. Gas Is GonNa be pissed me. Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Even. Being an equal player here. No, but denise should have stuck it out. We've learned what happens when you leave show too early Lisa Amanda pump story got finished by all the other women. Come back and finish it and I think that denise were to go back I think that what she really would not have had not have such a bad season like I wouldn't start to feel bad for her. Push it so far and somebody just gets beaten up upon even though people are glued to their TVs. They're so excited. It's so salacious like what really happened now it's just GonNa fizzle out at this point like Britney can keep saying things happen and by the way. If. I was a betting woman. I would probably agree with brandy and things that probably something happened but we're never going to really know because we weren't there. So I don't really care rather denise come back to the show and have it be about something else as Justin said. Kind of have Redan court where the women at the end of the day all of these women are really nice but. The. One thing with the housewives is people always come back. They're gone and then they're like, oh, she's back. It's a big surprise. All Right Jenna Bush hager is opening up a pregnancy guilt Jenas book everything beautiful in its time is out now and she talks about the anxiety she felt before sharing her surprised third pregnancy with loved ones. The today show host says she was nervous to tell her twin sister Barbara and her co worker hood copy because she wasn't sure Barbara was trying to conceive and she also knew the troubled Hoda had went through to adopt and she. Didn't want to make him feel bad. So Morgan, recently announced her pregnancy. Did you experience at all 'cause I can talk about how I experienced it but did you have that at all? You know I actually one of my good girlfriends got pregnant like literally six weeks behind Lisa was like I didn't really have any of that. But of course, you have that enzyme sharing such big news. You definitely don't want people to have any sort of like bad energy and like I was I got pregnant newly into or. Recently, into my relationship that I had resumed years later, so I had anxiety about announcing in general It really wasn't about the fact that no I guess so I guess I I guess I did have things I it's always when you have such good things happen for you all at once I'm somebody that doesn't always feel so deserving of that and I'm like well, this isn't supposed to happen altogether. So yeah, I had anxiety not necessarily telling specific people because of their pregnancy journey but just in general telling. People, I was I had some anxiety about yeah. Yeah. I. Definitely have that feeling because I had a couple of friends who I knew had struggled for a really really long time and I actually asked me other friends and I said, I don't I don't WanNa tell them like I just don't want to like hurt them in any way and I remember whenever I did tell one of my good friends I just said I remember saying it like I just want you to know like no big deal I'm pregnant. Trying to like make it super uncomfortable and I I was so uncomfortable because I was trying to really water it down and she was just a really sweet friend and it was just like please water the sound like I'm so happy. Would water down on this set because all just talking about pregnancy and my fiance and my ring, my visit my that and I have to honestly say whenever you're connected to people like that. The US our. Jenna and Barbara are when you're the one person that's left out of it. You kind of start to feel a little bit like like what did I do in my life that I haven't gotten to this place and as happy as I am for you guys don't get me wrong and I'm so excited that you guys have that maternal thing that connection. But I feel left out sometimes and I know we left out when Kim and courtney were doing the same things and I know when you breathe Bella was going through her marriage and her second pregnancy I knew she felt bad that her sister was going through a you know rough time and her relationship with John. Fina. So. As happy as I am I do sometimes so loved. And I think that the most important thing also just I know you remember this chew everybody has their time right like the year before my life was crashing and burning to the ground and just erupting flames, and then the year later it's kind of like our lives are episodes of housewives and we're. GonNa Seasons. Four Seasons. Your feet. Better vacations than any of us. So you went on. The purge of not having kids and not having a ball and chain. Yeah. You can get the hell up and go in every year on. True. All right. Coming up. You guys the lists are wearing a wild outfit. Do we love it or do we hate it plus we're going behind the scenes with Carrie Underwood, how she's making her latest performance unique and special? That's next. Way. Sunday now. This is my eighth year performing the Open Person Football. We all WanNa, make each year feel special and unique more than anything. Everybody's just grateful that we get to do this. Fans are going to get to be part of the open with our world today and trying to do things in a socially distance manner that lended itself to giving us a new perspective on the ED. I think people need Sunday night football. Fans can all kind of unite for few hours and they get to cheer on their favorite teams and we need that bit of normalcy even if we're going about it in a slightly different way. That's Carrie underwood taking us inside the taping of her news Sunday night football show open. You can hear the rest of her song waiting all day for Sunday night this weekend on NBC and don't forget the NFL. Kicks off tonight. In BC you guys. I ready I'm so ready and be careful. Don't sit too close to your TV screens 'cause then you'll see the cardboard cut out fans in the back and you WanNa suspend reality like me yeah. I understand do you do a fantasy draft? My husband did that all. Your what Your. Excuse me I'm sorry. What did you? I was just Whatever kid? I. I knew as we did that all dinner last. Interesting so oh. Wow that was a quick. something. Anyway, there's more show. What is it? Okay. We'll move on I'll let you. Slide. We asked if you could guess the Aila celebrity wearing these very bright sweats that Sir is the one and only Jennifer Lopez she's worn this outfit more than once over the years. Oh, my goodness Morgan what do you think of this look? Don't make me do it. It's not nice. It's it's because I'm not fair. I. Love It. A fan of the tie-dyed trend and none of you love either don't even pretend. Let's move right on. Martin gave her train you in the fashion guru here. Let's just move right on it will move a lot. Turning to Selena Gomez. She is confessing that every one of her exes thinks she's crazy but she doesn't care selena admitted this during makeup session with Youtuber. Nikki tutorials although she did not mention Justin Bieber or the weekend by name we can kind of guess which excess you might be talking about What do you think about this and what do you think your excess think about you need water? So just an. Interesting. When someone tells me Oh she was crazy. It with a grain of salt because that means that you had nothing else to break up with her over and I often ask, well, what did you do to make her crazy? Yeah. Because that's not the full story. Tell me your excellent arse assists or delusional or you know detached from the relationship or not aware like, yeah. Tell me all those things. But if you say someone who's crazy. That means that you're probably crazy or you made that person crazy. Actually I think Tracy such a general term. It's what you said was really specific just in like tell me you're detached from the relationship where you're delusional narcissist you've been dealing with those people for a while I think calling somebody crazy is just such the easy way out and it's just not that intelligent. In like Oh okay. No I was motionless heightened because you made me upset that doesn't mean I was crazy exactly. I was crazy because you were I don't know cheating on me. So I was looking through your text messages it happens. Right. That's why I was crazy. If you would have just stayed with me and not like slept with other people, I wouldn't have turned little. That's part of the problem by the way Morgan you know that Missouri crazy is real crazy how? There is like a beer can chicken gov. she will throw that at someone like shits get impressed that you even know about a beer cans. One. F One fifty drive by you know what? I mean like somebody like put her in. Danger over by the House Oh, my God that happened after the break we're hanging with will smith on the Senate fresh Prince of bel-air. Then they've organized the homes of reese, Witherspoon Khloe Kardashian, and so many more the ladies of the home at it, a revealing their insider secrets. What ups I'm the fresh Prince Will Smith, and you're watching e entertainment television. was finally. GROWN THE PRINCE OF BEL air? Right now I'm so far beyond what I ever dreamed. and. That's what I. That's what I WANNA teach you know my kids when I have kids because the feeling that I feel now I mean to be beyond your dreams. You know that that's what you shoot for I. mean the biggest dream I could have. Sixteen years old was have my own car a nice car I mean sixteen. You don't think about having a Nice House and you don't think about being in Hollywood Yo. You gotTA check my show right because this like the. DOPERS DOOKIE is. Deaf is dommage. Show on television I. Mean You can't find out. That make you feel the way it is show film you sitting watching you hide to make you laugh sometimes make you cry you just gotTa. Pee because it's all that. So cute. That's been thirty years since the premiere of the fresh Prince of bel-air still such Mike Show. All right. The ladies of the home at have worked with stars like or dashing reese witherspoon in so many more and they're telling me all about it and revealing who is the Messia. Here, with clear and Joanna, from the any team. So excited first things first after this is over, can you come to my house and organize my life please This is my dream dream dream projects that you guys come and help me organize you a lot of celebrities on your new show on Netflix lakes and so get organized with the home at at first of all even reese witherspoon tell me about her we love race and we have known her now for two years but it's it's never not going to be surreal genetic walk into Reese Witherspoon. Continual Shimo with her Alzheimer's tights and especially projects because organized for memorabilia and her kind of personal from past TV shows movies award show. It was it was. Essential actually. Now khloe she calls herself like an organized free, right. So whatever you're, you're the client WHO's already pretty organized I mean, how do you level up the game? That's actually way more stressful than into a place that is a complete map to. Yes. We can help you when it's already almost perfect. It's really stressful khloe specifically. She is so that she can do our job as a second Jackie chops who who's the ones the lead that you walked in and thought either A. Year really messy or be maybe just you have so much stuff. You don't need like your a pack rats the. Client that we have self proclaimed. Are Titan no not Jessie James Decker Calls Herself Mexico Jessica. So I feel like that go to her. And she has so many days because she's like never our own or high school. Devoting. So, we would all have passed price. Yeah. So she gets. Done her father. Be Every time he leans forward. I love it. One of my biggest struggles is shoes. So what's the most practical and best way to store shoes? Edited a house. Few I ask you that question like shoes and I am going to move straight to a storage solution. So. Like stackable, the're shoebox is the best answer. Any truly even if you have no other space that a top shelf for the floor of your closet, you can go so high I mean me an enormous shelf. You kinda stocks raiders of shoes or I mean place figgers, shoes, you could easily nine here's with Jack. And the next thing I'm the need to get is your new book that's coming out the helmet of life. Congratulations. We're really excited about this. Of course, we're excited about our first. We love our vote. But the first one is really like your basic organizational guide and home life is really diving a lot deeper and it's about all these things people on and how to contain them. Love you guys. I can't wait to see the show I truly like stop of a house anytime. Doors are wide open helping organize life whenever you have a moment. By. Guys and it can. I know if there wasn't Kobe man, we would have done that segment in my house reorganizing the whole thing I was like, please let them come over and they're like. Rolling up. What would you say? Yeah. That's that is one all my parts I mean they're taking over my bathroom you guys it's a struggle but we can watch those show and learn all the tips. All right. We're going to read some of your thoughts in our stories today. Make sure you DMI's or hit us up with. Hashtag. Daily plop Christina says, please step asking just in his opinion on the real housewives of Beverly Hills he's cows best. Friend and we already know his opinion that is not true. That's crazy because I literally kept on saying add should stay in finish the show and be I've always said all she had to do was tell them to mind their own business. How was that being biased towards kyle not at all also were always going to ask Justin because he has the most inside information on these ladies than any of us not just kyle. Someone that Christina Listen Right Underneath Richards Drama Courtney says, how can you be a housewife but sending cease and desist letter lovers and actress haters a housewife Oh success. She. 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Dont Be A Fool  PCI 237

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Dont Be A Fool PCI 237

"Everyone welcome to the podcast insider. My name is todd cochran. of course. I'm joined by my co host. Mr mike del mike. He'll doing good at the april fools day. No we're not going to fool you. We were working on doing anyway. Yes so it is a fool's day. I haven't been even paying attention to social. See what people are doing. But we've got some news for today. A best practice or some stuff going on here blueberry. We've got a tip of the week. No interview this week but you know before we get into mike. Yesterday doesn't matter how long you've been podcasting. Everyone has one of those days where everything just goes sideways. Oh yeah and my going sideways. Day was yesterday and been having an intermittent internet connection issues. Here in. i'm good at four hundred twenty and then all of a sudden it drops to ten one and when you have one megabit bandwidth update. Doing live really doesn't play out well so on the pretense. I've got a relatively brand new router in here. But i'm just not trusting at this point. So lay down a whopping three hundred and forty nine dollars on amazon today to have a new router sent to me and it just sucks to be honest with you. It's amazing how much we depend on reliable internet. Not just as podcasters but just in life. In general i know and it's gone down here and we've had to revert to our cell phones for internet connection. It's like even though it's fast it's like. Wow this really is hard to deal with so especially with what you're doing and you know and i'm also really excited about where i live getting starling because i've got really horrible internet at my home just because i'm living in rural america so if any of you are you know chasing internet issues and trying to stay connected as podcast or in. You live in rural america. Starlink is coming to a space over you soon sometime this summer. I guess so can't come soon enough. Yeah that's for sure. A friend of mine's looking into that as well. He's not really in rural area but he's like on the yard spectrum will do right so i'm a lay down my ninety nine dollars as a reservation and that's five hundred dollars for the year the ninety nine a month but they're expecting like fifty down fifty up so if they really candy fifty up with latency of eight to twelve milliseconds. I can move the studio week meals somewhere else with it but anyway. That's not what we're talking about today. It just you know the internet woes has me just absolutely bamboozled at this point in the news they intercom owners a cbs radio. Cadence thirteen pineapple street studios and pod. Corn changed his name to odyssey it. Almost unlike a doc- to me but it's odyssey and believe it or not they're sunsetting the radio dot com app and radio dot com app. I think they own radio dot com the actual domain to. They're gonna repurpose that. They're not even repurpose it. They're killing it. When i first saw too i was like. Oh jeez another odd something. Because you know you've got audacity got audible you've got what's that one we use for leveling auto phonic stuff now. There's another one odyssey. So his now known as odyssey so the other brands i believe are going to remain keeping their brand names. So they're going to have this new app so we'll see what happens here. I don't know did they. Maybe they did. They change everybody to the same brand. I'm kind of assuming maybe they know everybody's keeping their own brands you know as far as cadence thirteen and all those like keeping their brand names but the overall company now is odyssey and then the app is also going to be called odyssey instead of radio dot com. Gotcha so podcasts. Index is now over two million. Podcasts course applecross that benchmark real recently as well. So you can over to podcast. Index dot org forward slash stats. Check that out about nine. Hundred thousand supposedly are active at this moment. So that's a pretty big number if think about it. Now here's what they say on their index and i would almost ten steet have. They don't go to ninety days. They say that total podcasts index. Two point one million shows published in the last three days. Eighty two thousand ten days one hundred ninety nine thousand last thirty days three hundred six thousand either episodes last sixty days three hundred seventy seven thousand and all. Those numbers are updating at the same time. 'cause thirty days you get three hundred thousand sixty three seventy seven. I think maybe the some of those numbers aren't updating in real time an interesting enough they've got host cemented feeds. And here's the problem. Are hosts cement their own feats and they've got us listed as having one hundred twenty seven feed submitted. But we're really under represented there because of power press users. I might actually make any mention of that. That team in a how do you actually give an honest representation of how many new because power proceeds will come up as donning or the power site is right so that you know we get in these kinds of things we always get short changed a little bit but you know we have it available on the dashboard. There are fewer users end a guest hosting customers in everybody else just come over and claim your show and you can submitted to the index. The ramsey show has reached one billion downloads. So that's pretty impressive. And they also made a statement to the amount of money supposedly. They have helped save people. Yeah paid off in debt right side. Quarter of a million or something. Wasn't that the number was five hundred million dollars. Wow fifteen years and then Billion dollar loads you know that's across all the episodes but a big number. That's still a huge number. I think there's only three other podcasts in history that have got to a billion downloads. So i think we have a ways to go here mike to hit a billion so little we might have to do this. Show for the next thousand years to get to a billion. So apple podcast. Oh my goodness they have known issue. We've been hearing about it a little bit. Not as much as i would have thought but basically when you go to submit. Podcast over podcast. Connect dot apple dot com. And you put your feet in there. You hit validate it. Just sits earned spin spins and spins. And it's been rather random so you know if you try and a half hour later it might work so apple knows about. It seems to be getting a little better. But they haven't come out and said that they've actually fixed it yet. But i have that trouble submitting a show. Just try to get an hour. I know of one site or one service. That's having problems. And i don't know what the difference in their feeds are bisi. This huge huge huge line people complaining from a specific company. But i hadn't. How many have we. I mean tickets gotten i. Maybe got five tickets okay. So so. it's not been huge with us. But i don't think it matters what the feed is. I think they're validate or just get stuck interesting. Productions are putting together new five episodes and improvement association is. Let's call the improvement so she's about election fraud in a small town in. Yeah carolina. yeah it's a little. You know five episode podcasts. That they're going to be doing. They've got the trailer out now but it's called the improvement association in it's about election fraud back in the twenty eighteen elections in south carolina. And it's you know it's kind of like story. Life should be interesting. So i guess james cridland did a great april fool's episode. I listen to it. Oh i was when he was saying that new media shows in two hours and episode two times a day. Then something about rob being a small box over your shoulder. I am here. This is pretty fun. He picks on all kinds of things with the whole episode and the whole newsletter. Today's those kind of stories. It's funny sally which you're reading and pod news today is not safe then Safe but it's not real. And quite funny i. I haven't been recommended. I haven't even read it. But i will listen to his episode podcasts. Radio expands in the uk to birmingham england. So what is this in the uk. There's a station on the london right now. A call podcast radio a caster radio. Yes yeah podcast here. Okay yep whether it's a twenty four seven station that they just play podcasts. Also they have some shows on there that they talk about podcast. I'd casting so. It's a terrestrial radio station. And they've got a second transmitter over in birmingham. How do we manage that deal. That's fun. I wonder if you can stream that over the internet while you can also subscribe to the podcast mike. You don't wanna hear what it sounds like on the trust right right right. I think we didn't. You know way back in the day. They had a satellite channel on sirius. That was like did bill pod show company and that and that was pretty cool. Everybody was itching to get on the sirius satellite. But funny thing about satellite radio is i don't know about the average podcast but it doesn't take too much to beat the average our on any satellite show because you know the across the whole thing if you turn out right like a hundred people are listening to every channel every you know every hour or whatever something like they ever published those statistics alan time somebody did and then i can't find it. I was gonna look that up and they probably get sick wash because he didn't want that out there. So let's move on best practice really like to talk a little bit today about and intros in your podcast and really the first best practice. Do you need a music opener. And i would say for ninety percent shows out there. No but there's always a but or an ethnic if you do a music opener and you get licensed music number one. You go through some like podcasts. Music dot com which is one of our partners in. We have several music partners on her partner. Page at bloombergcom. The music opener should be short in this show is short. The music opener for the show. I think is a good example of something that is acceptable. Because i think a lot of times. I listen i even did it myself on my personal show. I played you know like a thirty second opener and people got kind of tired of it so i had to switch it up a little bit but to get to be careful on those music openers. In a lot of people will do like a cold open. So they'll say real quick they'll come on and say you know. Welcome to such and such today. We're gonna be talking about such and such and then they go into a intro. That's got music and whatever you don't need it i mean you know. My personal shows literally just flip the mic on and say. Hello and yeah. That's about it and you know with us one. We have a little bit of intro music and a little bumper music between segments and whatnot. And that's cool but do you need it now. Not really and be really careful about. The music uptick in takedown. Notices sign came in this morning well so spotify by itself is doing some and we're getting some directly from our i a and it's could be a little fifteen second clips of stuff. That's right fifteen seconds. Does it make you safe. No no no not at all and fair uses a defense if you get sued. It's not a rule that's right but again safe places to get those music and beds in on big fans of the folks at podcast music dot com and they've got a royalty free music you can license for your podcast that is you know of all different genres and beats and segments and you know if you want something that's really rocking to get in. They've got that if you're looking for jazz intro. Or it's really they've got every genre ritter music that you can take and get up you know. Actually they give you a pretty good clip and you're able to license that and use it in the episodes in you know i i would recommend if you do have an intro. Kind of mix it up. Have half dozen ourselves that you can kind of rotate through over time in. You could think of it this way to if you use the same on all the time then it sort of branding to. That's all you know. It can go either way but you know it's nice to mix it up some. I actually have an intro for one of my shows that i'll play probably every third or fourth episode. I you know in the sort of mix it up. I have a like a guy that did the this to the next. You know he was that real high you know rock and roll pitch music and our pitch. It was basically. He did a script and played that for years but anyway that ship has long since sailed might be fun to do another one at some point in the future but for now not all right anyway. That's best practice music and intros. You know they're good but use them in scarcity and also length. I think that's the key. And i think are blueberry. Pro team does it. Blueberry pro dot com is a great example of a good way to intermix some music transitions and stuff like that so hope he can learn from this show and if not just employed the blueberry pro dot com team so it's well blueberry news mike. What's going on. Oh that's a power press stuff is working on powerrr press eight five dot five and was hoping he'd get it out today some time but i don't know but there's a long standing bug that really only bugs me. He said he's gonna take care of this time. So that'll be good. Otherwise just minor. Ui tweaks but power press eight point. Sex is in internal beta right now. I just got that file and just loaded on my site while we were waiting to record here. I haven't got a chance to play with a too much but that new stats widget. Looks pretty nice. So what about the collaborations benefit podcasters. What's that that's an article on. Oh i guess. Insider article sky just went out of order to all. You did okay so so we get eight point five point five going to be out and a longstanding bug fix a minor. Ui tweaks we've got power point six internal beta new stats widgets against him. Ui tweaks and this is important. If you'd like to beta test property point six and see this news statutes widget which. I'm really excited. What we've done there any of using stats with us. We'll get some screen shots up. You'll be able to see it when we get ready to release it. But if you want to beta test. Mike at blueberry dot com b. l. u. b. r. y. Dot com blueberry without east. Because we could not afford the ease so definitely check that you give mike an email and he gets ya. Are you gonna be emailing the other beta testers to my arm. Gonna email everybody here soon as i wring it out and get approval from ben to send it out to our beta testers awesome question of the week. They got a tip of the week right. Yeah i figured you know. This was a hidden thing that we didn't even really remember that we did. And we've done. Sometimes we do that. Well i think when we acquired cast feed that was part of it and we just never focused on that and now i figure what the heck it's a tip so do you sometimes wonder where podcast is hosted or what the rss feed for a podcast is or you know some cases you may not know your own but cast rss feed so this is a good tool for that but you can go over to cast feed validated dot com in the upper right corner. There's find your feed and you can just type in the title of your podcast. Or whatever podcast. You're wanting to look up and it'll bring up a search. Basically of those in there may be more than one. But you know pick the one that's appropriate and you hit that button it says Load the arafat assess feeder was view. Rss and it'll open it in your browser that'll most of the time. Just be a bunch of code but you can copy that address. Maybe figure out where they're all stood or you don't know your feed. That's a good place to find it since you're seeing mike. I'm doing a search for our show. Podcasts insider and they came up with a lot of options. So it's interesting because i've searched for a couple of shows here with it and it works pretty good. That's pretty slick. It's just you know you. You know like popular insider. That's two words in the search so anything the says insider and then says podcast up in the search. So you know. Be careful with that but it's a good place to find your feet or to validate it even if you don't know what the dow addresses. It's a neat tool that we sort of forgot about so. I think what we've seen here over the last couple of months. Is you know a lot of podcasters. Are i guess for a better word getting back to basics you know. They're looking at things they can do to grow their shows and improve their websites and we're fielding a lot of those types of questions that are coming into the team. We've got chris. Questions are on the blueberry forum on facebook and then you know a variety of different places. So don't forget your number one place ever for supportive. Blueberry is to go to our support page that is really the jump off place and we're doing a lot of work to improve stuff on the support page when you go to blueberry dot com ford sash support you'll have off pages to go to defined documentation for power press for hosting for stats so we're really trying to hone that in and dating documentation. You know it's ongoing but you know things will improve over there and the screenshots will actually look up to date and all that good stuff so it's a lot of work for the team but it's something we're dedicated doing is going through entire stack on our website. Making sure everything is up to date in the information is i. Guess for better word. Modern or current. Not that anything. That we have up is outdated. We try to get to that really really quick. If there's a big problem roya but definitely check out our support page. And then he can always from their submitted ticket and when you submitted ticket versus emailing us that smith show ticket goes into a pool so whether it be for sales for support were able to get help to you quicker because either mike sean or dave can react if you send it to. Just don't even send an email directly us a ticket system. I think that is a Emails kind of bogged down a bit too out. And i'm taking a vacation day. Or whatever and you send me an email that just delays it until i get back right so we also want to remind you to subscribe companionship. Did this one podcast help desk so good one this week really so. It goes deep in the weeds. We got some hot namespace. Talk if you listened. Podcasting two point. Oh you'll understand that anyway. Talked to andy lehman the maker of the podcast namespace wordpress plugin which is an add on to power press that adds even more of the namespace tags and we go through some of the things i got wrong in the last episode i talked about namespace andy kind of cleared me up on a few things on. It was a great conversation. So it's good when the trainer gets trained so michael refresher for you. Yeah well you know. I always encourage me if i say something stupid. Please call me out all about getting it right rather than making myself be right. So so eight of schooled me a bit if you are super earlier adopter and this is what it really is if you are super early adopter this plug in that andy his created. It's not on the wordpress plugin store. It's only available via get hub. You can install this podcast namespace plug in. It'll add additional tags to your power press generated feed. And he's been real careful. He did a couple of updates because there was a little bit goof up and basically having trouble by not want to get too deep here because you gave is a glaze over but again about that in the in built this. Yes so this is again. This is purely an earlier doctor. An add some additional functionality that we're talking about adding as natively to power press but some of the specs are not finalized yet so he's went ahead and implemented things that are not quote unquote finalized yet. So it's definitely on the bleeding edge but it is right on the edge. It is cool and we appreciate andy in the work that he's doing to despite power press and make those of you that want to go faster than we're willing to go purely from a stability standpoint. I think that it's a good option in you know. There's one thing in there that i want to play around with the sound. The potential of having some sort of earnings opportunity when it comes to the bitcoin functions or the value the value tag. And i know we just really made people go wild but listen to mike show at podcast help desk. And you'll get the information on that. That's podcast helpdesk dot com or think we're down here at the end a quick fast show today. I'm todd at blueberry dot com. I'm mike at blueberry dot com and of course if you have any thing for the show email me email mackenzie email tied a few on beyond the show and gal assure origin story we like to have an interview on. I'll make sure you do that. And we definitely appreciate you listening and if you have comments if you have a question or in-depth so here's a cute cool thing if your question is so deep that we can't really cover in this show as a try to stay high level then mike might take your question and put it on the podcast help desk because we again we go this deep or geeky guy or techy dive and i think really. If you listen to both shows you're gonna get indefinite more education and awareness of what's going on with all the technical stuff that makes a podcast podcast so all right. Well we're going to get out of here. I think everybody for listening and being subscribed if you're not over to podcast insider dot com and the subscribe and follow links on the sidebar of the website able to add it quickly to your Most favorite podcasts listening application or just down website. Mike anything else. No everybody have a great week and happy. April fool's day that's right we'll see everybody next time. 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