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Checking The Score: Remembering 9/11 Through Sports, And Patriots QB Mac Jones' Debut

Radio Boston

11:13 min | Last month

Checking The Score: Remembering 9/11 Through Sports, And Patriots QB Mac Jones' Debut

"Here with us now is radio. Boston's chris citric. Hey there chris. So chris over the weekend. One of the things that really struck me was the juxtaposition of the raucous -ness of the launches of lots of difference. Frankly sports seasons you know college. Football underway pro football coming underway and at the same time these painful observances of the twentieth anniversary of september eleventh sometimes even blended together my alma mater did a pre game and halftime show at their football game. That was focused on september eleventh. But then also you know a big screaming football game. You've been reflecting on the decision to play basically after a national crisis such as nine eleven and how that reflects the decision. Were making to play in this national crisis to yeah. I was really struck watching some of those observances. You're talking about over the weekend kind of the parallel between this moment. We're in now. You know we've talked throughout the pandemic of the return to sports as both a thing that gives us the sense of community togetherness that we need right a distraction from the bleakness of afford our real world has become but also the concerning nature of seeing fans in the stands. And i was really taken right back to kind of that. Those those moments right after nine eleven. 'cause there's actually some tension about whether or not to play then You know nine. Eleven happened on a tuesday and there were basically two camps in in the nfl. One camp saying we can't possibly play right now. This nation is in mourning and the other saying well. That's exactly what they need. They need to distraction. We need to keep going with our life and and resume that normalcy And you could see it. The players association actually voted seventeen to eleven not to play That weekend following september eleven so it was a close vote and owners were were split. as well. robert kraft. Actually the patriots owner was one of those the day after wanted the nfl to play that week. And then Told paul tagliabue who was the nfl commissioner. At the time he was watching a newscast late wednesday night around midnight or one. I am and saw then new york. Mayor rudy giuliani talking. About the fact that they're going to be ordering six thousand body bags and basically saying well that changes my mind. We need to to not play and he became a voice to to take the week off to win. Did then yes. So then that creates this kind of return the following week right and this is one that The patriots actually played a central role in as well there. There was a a moment. I i will never forget the patriots hosting the jets. The new york jets. Obviously one of the teams most affected by this and joe andruzzi who was an offensive lineman for the patriots Came from a family. He had three brothers who were working as new york firefighters at the time One of whom jimmy was in the tower and had made it up to the twenty fifth floor evacuating people and then had to come back down when one of his colleagues had chest pains and as they were leaving through the lobby the wa- marble walls start to crack and this huge cloud of smoke starts basically chasing them out of the building. And joe never heard from jimmy for a chunk of ours basically not sure whether or not he made it out And so fast forward to basically a week and a half later joe. Andruzzi is the last patriots player to leave the tunnel and his three new york. Firefighter brothers are on the field as honorary captains and joe is about to leave the tunnel and he sees these two hand-held american flags taped to the wall and he just grabs them and runs out shaking these flags for the crowd and the stadium erupts as his brothers. See him and take their helmets off and there is absolutely incredible. Moment that they images etched in my mind forever and i watched it five or six times this weekend kind of reliving that and it just really captured the power of this moment and how badly we needed to breathe as a country and you know it may be stupid. Sports rate is a bunch of grown adults throwing a ball around a field and keeping track of points like it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things but at the same time it gives us such an opportunity to come together and to resume these cultural rituals. We have and to feel connected in a way that we need it so badly in that moment and it just reminds me of where we're at. Now he has we do have these kind of to split groups of thought right one saying we need to get back to normalcy. We need that in our lives and another saying it's not it doesn't make sense to take the risks to do that to play a game and we're kind of seeing that play out right now as you watch this weekend. Kind of stadium packed full of people screaming for their teams. Like you're talking about. Yeah and it did chris. I want to stay on that for a minute. Because stands were packed. This was the first time patriot fans have been able to attend to real game since january of twenty nineteen for the phantom standpoint. That's really important at the same time when folks returned to stadiums after nine eleven. There wasn't a risk that they could hurt each other right and different this time absolutely and it was jarring to see. I mean we've talked about some of the protocol that gillette stadium's put in place in terms of mobile tickets cashless concessions. And you know you're basically agreeing that you don't have symptoms by showing up but there's no vaccine requirement and and it's it's pretty concerning when you see people packed into a tight arena like that and knowing they're going to be there for three or four hours screaming and and you know eating and drinking and i it's hard not to to worry about what the effects are going to be down the road and yet you know by accident really. My family and i were at the first red sox game after the boston marathon bombing and while everyone was terrified that by going to the game you might be creating a center of gravity for another attack going back claiming that normalcy also felt like an important statement. Yeah i think so. There was something beautiful about having a sunday full of football and setting aside that other stuff kind of feeling like it was okay to to forget about that for a few hours into to cheer your team on and and to to care about stupid stuff right it was like the having the freedom to care about something that ultimately doesn't matter for a few hours i think we all just kind of desperately need that relief in one way or another. So let's see if we can make that transition now because people are back in the stands and for a lot of new englanders being a part of red sox nation or patriot. Nation is part of the joy of being here You wanna talk a little. Bit of football i would love to. I know i could use that distraction so and it was an interesting game with a bittersweet outcome. Let's just talk a little bit about this game with the pats and their first game with a new rookie quarterback and for people who are not sports people. Maybe start by talking. About what a big deal. It is for the new england patriots to have a rookie quarterback. Yeah i mean. Everybody knows who tom brady is right like even if you're not a football fan. You aware the person that is. Tom brady so he left. Where obviously passed the. Tom brady era here last year. We had cam newton who is a talented player and his brian and a fixture in the league but we knew that was short term. Right he was only going to be around for a year or two and obviously last year didn't work now. You're looking at a rookie quarterback starting for this team. It's only the third time in team history that they've had a rookie quarterback start. The season drew bledsoe. Ninety three and jim plunkett in nineteen seventy one and the reason. It's exciting because you're potentially seeing the guy who could be leading your team for the next ten or fifteen years if everything goes well. You mentioned the team lost. If they lost the dolphins by one point seventeen sixteen but i actually found a lot to get excited about from your football standpoint in this game. I thought mac look pretty good at quarterback including his first nfl touchdown pass a newly acquired wide receiver nelson. I saw an opportunity for people who are getting interested in football maybe really follow career from its beginning and everything i've seen in sports commentary today. Chris says jones looked good but the loss was ugly and they did lose. Yeah they did lose. I wanna stay on jones. Just for a sec. Because it's pretty rare for a rookie quarterback to to look that good in their debut and one of the things that that you usually do with a rookie quarterback joe pressure them you'll blitz basically so He was great against the blitz with extra guys rushing him he was able to make the right throws and stick in the pocket and read the defense well but they had eight penalties for eighty four yards. That's more than double what they average last year per game. They had four. Fumbles one that completely cost them the game. They were driving like three minutes left to play the ball deep in the well and field goal range and they just basically let it slip through their fingers so a sloppy way to lose the game. Especially when you're rookie. Quarterback does so well and yet you sound kind of happy. Yeah i think you've got some new guys on this team. The defense look good. They gave up a pretty easy. I drive but then they really knuckled down. They only give up six points in the entire second. Half you had nelson agla. I mentioned you've got to new tight ends. That looked pretty good and remember. The patriots spent more than any other team in the league in free agency this year which is so unlike the patriots But again i think the addition to the roster plus mack jones showing like. He can do what they need to do to be successful. I think they're going to do all right. And i'm not the only one who's excited. You got to hear bill bell raving about his new rookie quarterback although we all competed. Aren't we this. We just got to do a better job. I mean competed with a lot of guys compete hard. We just got got to perform excitement. Always give us these. These cuts from bill. Bella check where you'd think he just woke up from a nappy. So subdued all right so we have a little bit of time left chris and one of the things that has been a particular joy mine over the years. Is you making predictions that you then have to walk back but then turn out more right but then you have to walk them back again. But then maybe you're right. So what are you gonna call at the beginning of the season here all right. So i think it's important to remember. We've never seen a rookie quarterback even make the super bowl never mind win it so we have to rein in our expectations a little bit. I think this is a playoff team. I think they sneak into the playoffs. And then if you do that maybe you went around or to who knows from there. I'd like to see them make the playoffs. Ideally win one round in the playoffs to really kind of plant. Some foundation for mac jones growth. And you got to clean it up. You gotta have less penalties unless turnovers and also the biggest thing. I'm going to be watching for week. Four brady comes back to town. Oh fans gonna react. We're going to say we are so going to watch that all right. That's radio boston's chris sitter at chris. Thanks thanks. I got chills thinking about that one all right. That is our show for today. Folks radio boston's produced by jamie bologna. Chris citric walter. Wolfman amanda beland and cynthia bechu visa marquees. Neal is our technical director and we had engineering help today. From patrick o'connor our executive producer is attached. Hoppy i'm john during thanks for listening and do join us again tomorrow for more radio boston.

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Book Club: Ace, Part 1

Stuff Mom Never Told You

1:11:18 hr | Last month

Book Club: Ace, Part 1

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What asexuality reveals about desire society and the meaning of sex which as the title might imply is an exploration into ace experiences of all kinds and what we can learn from these experiences in terms how we understand love and desire and chance journalist and speaker has been very open about her own experience as a sexual person. She's very clear that there is no one ace and that the book mostly focuses on liberal western generally sex positive folks. She interviewed hundreds of people who identify as as from all kinds of backgrounds digging into the intersections of race disability gender with a sexuality and it was a very very quick very good read And it was interesting to hear all these different perspectives kind of woven together. And if you would like to hear more you can see our interview with a doha. Don's oh that we did on asexuality We also did. We've done it several episodes on this now but one. That came to mind a lot from me during this when i was reading. This is the are upset we did on. What is love was kind of an examination of what the sexual aspect of romance and how that sort of understood in a lot of our culture and how that might not be the case and perhaps we should separate that out or at least think about it and yeah i would. I would recommend this because it does go into things like you don't have to be a sexual to read this. I think it makes you ask questions about a lot of stuff. So i would recommend it. I definitely connected berry hard with a lot of it about like not understanding. Sexual attraction feeling hypocritical about things Feeling pressure feeling. Like i was a problem in a relationship and avoiding talking about all of it wanting to watch what it seems. Everyone wants but not me just to put it out there. You talk about the fact that there are a lot of great examples in personal stories and interviews with an an. When we originally had the sexual episode we had a couple of male followers are like. Hey i identify as a. Can you talk a little more about it because you know. We don't hear that we only hear a women because it's more acceptable for women to be as than it is for men and i absolutely understand that so if you're still listening this is a great book. We lose those followers. This is a great book for all sexes and all genders and being able to bring you prime examples from all perspectives. So i think that's a great way to look at it that so yes recommended for all and not just our female listeners. Or those who identifies female non binary is for all so. I think this is sunday. The put out they are for anyone who is just trying to figure themselves out and need to relate absolutely. Yeah there's There's a chapter on male ace experience and we're gonna talk about that a little bit but yeah really really fascinating stuff in there and this one's pretty heavy because a water i was like yes. Let's put in quotes but we're going to have discussions around all of that said. Let's start with this one. I misinterpreted a person who does not experienced sexual attraction to mean a person who hates sex. And so i personally could not be a sexual. I hadn't had sex yet but the idea held great. Promise that's the strange thing about this orientation all. The misconceptions that carries is possible to be as and not realize it to see the word. Still shrug and move on. Definitions are not enough. One must plum deeper. Yeah and i just wanted to include that. Because i this ten israeli open with her experience and all the questions she had and all the stuff she's still wrestles with and i think that like you know you have to dig deeper. I think that's good for everybody. First of all but i also felt that was really true. And there's just a lot of questions you have to ask yourself of like what it's odd when there are things that you just take for granted and when you realize like oh maybe i'm not experiencing the right and that's fine but you do have to kind of really get to know yourself right and i think overall it could just be said as a blanket statement what we see as sex by a media and or assumptions is often wrong. Anyone who identifies as anything so like is just. It's just misinterpreted altogether pointblank. The way represented us man. We need real honesty and this is part of that. Honesty is again feeling different or feeling not the same as everyone else when it comes to what it actually stand. Yeah right with real disservice about that really did for everyone for sure but the confusion for so many of us is because of what the expectations were rather than what it actually is. And here's another quote. There's the man who grew up in a religious environment followed all the rules only to realize after marriage that sex was not the wonder he had been promised the woman who ordered blood tests in high school because she was convinced that her lack of desire for sex was symptom of serious illness. This abel's acis can have trouble fitting into either community wondering where their disability ends and they're asexuality begins and whether finding that border should matter a color engender non-conforming acis questioned whether there's asexuality is a reaction against stereotypes. Everyone wonders how to separate friendship and romance when sex is not part of the equation. Who don't want remember relationships wonder if there's room for them in a world hyper focused on a particular type of partnerships and acis who do want romantic relationships point out how practices don't make room for their needs. Yeah and those are like all chapters all those things. She mentioned she breaks down into two whole chapters in has these interviews with people in discussions with people. And there's a lot of thing. I found interesting in all of that where i i like. I said i've been kind of dealing with this for awhile. And asking questions about myself are while and like i said in a recent happy i think i'm starting to my mind is starting to expand into like what could have relationships look like for me. It could be a bunch of different things which is really exciting. A lot of ways. If i even need it or if i can be complete which can be but like that idea of. I'm not sure if that's even what i want. But it's just that i'm thinking about it and so that i found that really interesting. There was a chapter really went into like definitions around romantic and platonic and attachment. And all the how those are different and how we might misunderstand those things and how they don't necessarily have to be like they all have separate definitions but they also can interact and how different groups of people see those things differently as well of course because of the nature of this book it does come from kind of a sexual understanding a lot of times of like what what does that mean So i just thought that was really really interesting. Unlike the whole conversation of may a lot of this is around language right like we don't have the language to express perhaps things that are feeling. Are these different. Shades of relationships are any kind of like attraction and so one of them was like friends versus more than friends. But not necessarily you know your sexual partner. Just having these like shades of can be very passionate feelings for someone without sex right and we just don't have a lot of times the terminology or even the tools to express the which i thought was really interesting. And then yeah. We've talked a lot about this constant narrative of not being complete without romantic love and that is present in our language and our laws in our media in our songs like just today before he came in. I was making a tally of all the times. That was kind of bombarded with you need this relationship and you need sex. It's very sad if you're not having the you and i just recently saw a talk or twitter. I can't remember somewhere where this woman comes on and is pretty much joking about the fact that men continue to threaten women with. If you're not careful you're going to be all alone. You're going to be old alone as she started life as you have no idea the fact i would be so excited to be responsible for someone. I don't understand why y'all keep using this as a threat as if that something bad and of course everybody was like. Yeah absolutely and that's kind of that. Whole narrative is. We've been fed for so long but if we don't have a partnership that means sex family all of those things than we have not done this right and that that we will be miserable and this this weird stretch to say you need to be co dependent on someone. This really is the best. You can do what you're telling me is because i'm able to rely on myself and i'm happy i'm content with just being here with myself and whatever hobbies i have in or whatever dog i have indoor just joyfully reading as you would fan section all day long other things and that's a flex to say but you're going to be unhappy but i'm not a have been so i don't understand but yes stuff like that that type of narrative that's existed for so long and that we assumed was the norm and true rate and she in this book some pretty excellent slash really frustrating temples where i was going to go into something else talks about. Is this idea that like once. You're in a relationship in in this case particularly married but like in any relationship. There's this expectation that sex's like odor is a part of that and she points out like marital rape being essentially a pretty new thing open to the two thousands like some law and that that's not really rate because you're in a relationship and that again is just another instance of relationships look quake that that sex has to be a part of it and if somebody wants to other person doesn't then too bad and that's not really rape which is gross and disgusting and completely right and which. Yeah we've talked about that and she even brings up the example of the trump case with his ex wife Which we talked about a long time ago and the fact that he settled out a court because he knew he was wrong because he was the only defense they had was their married. It can't be rape like that's what has offered up right. 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Yeah because it is absolutely directed more at women now of course it can be twisted and flipped for sure but when you come into a hetero normative relationship you know what this is pointing towards. That's women's obligation to men which has been a barrier for so long in general and why this conversation needs to happen more often because it goes beyond just and she says a lot just as community it goes beyond to that just to humanity in itself but yeah that that level of expectation again in obligation is part of the problem in this narrative. Yes yes and then. I did want to just put on here but here very briefly this whole idea of puberty being very confusing time. And when you're feeling these things and you're feeling crushes and all the stuff and you're kind of getting exposed to that through people that you know as well. It can be hard when you're seeing mostly one type of relationship to understand especially if you haven't heard terms are you don't know these things exist what it is that you're feeling are what you want and how that compares to what other people are experiencing and i think that that can get in the way of a lot of people i know. We recently read a listener mail where the listener was saying. I didn't feel like i could claim this sexual orientation or sexual identity because You know i was passing hetero and i was getting privileged and also like a hadn't done a lot like i didn't have enough women partners versus men like all these things that can get in your head and that does it's just confusing confusing time. Well in general. I think when we look at this we have to understand once again. The to conversation of this people are fluid. People change people's reaction changes. So what may have interested you at one. Point in time may interest you last as you grow older and one of the funny parts of women sexuality. There's this big conversation of when's the best time or when our hormones high up or all of these conversations and the fact of the matter is if that wave hormones have everything to do with it if there is a genetic disposition if any of those things vis biology then we should allow for change. That means yeah. Maybe what interested me. One time doesn't interest me anymore. Maybe what i was trying to do then is not what i try to now. Maybe it was a certain person that i was attracted to and like to that point. Of course we love having identifiers and being able to identify ourselves but that could also block us. Nba already identified as this. Oh no ray. I can't change. So that's the biggest competition. Yeah puberty super confusing. I don't understand why that's the moment where we have to decide this. Absolutely what i'm going to be in the next hundred years right along. Yeah yeah and. I think that's worth noting as well again. And there's crushers questions abound crushes the of course i've identified one way or the whole time in my life but i don't i won't hesitate to talk obviously thinks i'm a lesbian. Okay look beautiful women. I will gladly watch some talk about their a great day. Who want it right. But i asked by the way. That's an inside joke. For many doctors. I think women have been like all been like stick tight. The government lesbian. What does is a cool video. Report according to their algorithms yes. I'm just science in knows. I'm like dogs and funny women content. I don't know so accurate. That's barely what i if i as. I don't know what that means. I don't know if there's a thing for that but according to talk that's my identifier. Just say all right so moving on a little more. I understood for the first time that it is possible to like the experience of sexual attraction without big repulsed by sex. Just like it's possible to neither physically craved. Norby disgusted by food like crackers but still enjoying them as part of the cherished social ritual. Being repulsed by sex is a fairly obvious indication of the lack of sexual attraction. The lack of sexual attraction can also be hidden by the social performance or wanting having sex for emotional reasons and because of different types of designs are bound together so tightly it can be difficult to untangle the various strands. People who've never felt sexual attraction. Do not know what sexual attraction feels like and knowing whether or not they have ever felt it can be difficult. Rights as researcher andruzzi hinder letter in a two thousand nine letter. To the editor of the journal archives sexual yes exactly and she wrote alabama big conversation. Like if you don't know what it is. What do you think you know you make up your mind to. This is what is like can like if you're getting food for the first time if not idea what it tastes like so you assume okay movies like this and you can't put yourself in other people's shoes you can listen to them and be empathetic. But you can't like experience right. What it is they're experiencing in your limited once again by your vocabulary and also like when people say what they're experiencing it might mean something to them that means something different to me and you're trying to make that match because you and things really honest about this and she says like it was difficult for her to be so honest about it but there are. There are times. When i've wanted like i feel like i should fit into this. Whatever this is. That people are feeling i should feel that. I'm trying to make it work in my brain when people are describing it to me like maybe i do feel that and you know just feeling like this would be and it sounds so terrible to say but easier like it'd be easier if i could just feel this whatever. It is so. I would try to convince myself like maybe this is what people are talking about right. And we're just like it's almost like an expectation thing where i'm just not as intuitive other people right i mean you could say that about love in general to for may when it comes to partnership love never really understood that that was a new thing for me and i kept asking even like recently. My friends who would so easily tell their partners. I love you. I was like how did you come to that point. Did you get here. They could never really explain and some people will be like. I just said it because he said it like or she said it like that was a narrative and so like in my mind. It didn't make sense. And i still don't quite understand it and i say this that absolutely care for the people around me and i would call that love. 'cause for me is a measure of what i would do for you or how far i would go for you or how how much you are in my thought process. So i'm thinking of things like i'm going to do this but would any enjoy this. Let me let me think about it. You know and think of it as like cherish meant. There's some source so like if you care for me enough and you send me a message. I know that you think are thinking about me like that. That to me is my measure of love. But it's different from everyone. And i still can't grasp that for partnership all the time and i'm learning about it and i'm there because i raised that level with a new partner where i'm like okay. I'm willing to do the things that i do for my best friend for you so that must be a right right and i think that's a good point. I think people are very different. And i think that we do experience things that are very specific to her experiences in our upbringing. And all these things like be internalized but that being said you know there is sort of similar throughout but that can kind of get lost. If you're what you think love like isn't what you're experiencing. That can be confusing. Even though of course we do experience it in different ways just with these shared threads old kinda like how. I love my musical so thought you know meaning love dance in the street in the rain as well as i thought sex men who. You're watching you know. Leave it to beaver. You just cut a hug each other. Yes yes but going back to your point of like the food thing or people. Just don't it's hard to describe something that only you know so like i was. I was talking about this with a friend the other day about colors. I'm not entirely sure we're seeing the same thing right. Even though we're looking at the same thing. I don't know what your brain in my brain they could be doing. Totally something right there and i think like this was a good. I wanna bring this just because it reminds me of the argument around feminism. Where feminism doesn't mean. I hate men right. But that's what it gets turned into in for a lot of times for a sexual people get turns into you hate sex. Which doesn't necessarily mean that it can mean that but a can like she said if you want something you want to participate in emotionally or are because it's like a you know a social ritual then that's cool to right. You're doing it because you want to do it. This episode is brought you by audible. Audible is leading provider. Spoken word entertainment all in one place at audible. You can the largest selection of audio books ranging from bestsellers and new releases to celebrity memoirs languages. Business motivation and more like original entertainment from top celebrity creators and thousands of popular binge. 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And here's another quote people who could be described as sexual have existed for a long time. They were certainly around in nineteen forties when sex researcher. Alfred kenzi was developing his model of sexual orientation. Kinsey believed that sexual orientation was more than a binary of homosexual and heterosexual. He created a scale align really that runs from zero to six zero for someone who's exclusively heterosexual six for someone who's exclusively homosexual. Three for bisexual today. The kinsey scale famous and has become the main way of thinking about sexuality and sexual orientation in the west. It does not make room for sexuality. Even though kinsey knew about a sexual people during the thousands of interviews he conducted kinsey had come across people who didn't fit onto his line. Who in his language had no socio sexual contacts or reactions faced with data. That didn't fit. This theory didn't advises line to make it more multidimensional instead kinsey marked these people into a separate category called x. and carried on heterosexual homosexual and bisexual dominated group. X was mostly forgotten. Yeah and i was so according to this book. One percent of the population in the united states identifies as sexual and she does go into the history of that and talks about the importance of the internet for finding connection but very clear like bats now when it started. That's just when people because there aren't a huge population were able to find others and connect through that and then she does go into like a whole section on the difficulty of definition of being divined through negative space so essentially a sexual is defined by like the negative the lack of something and then it was interesting to read the history of this community in conversations around. Well what does it mean. And i love. How often the question. What about masturbation comes up. Because i get that question. Also i get it all the time and we're going to talk more about that in a minute. Here's another group to the best. I can tell sexual attraction. It's the desire to have sex. With a specific person for physical reasons. Sexual attraction can be instantaneous and involuntary a heightened awareness of physical alertness combined with mental wanting. My friends say they feel sexually active people. They have just met two people whose company they don't enjoy to people they don't like or even find good-looking fair enough. A says don't experience this ace's can still find people beautiful. Have a libido masturbate and seek out porn isa's can enjoy sex and like kink and being relationships of all kinds so yeah this. This reminds me of a very specific conversation. I had with a friend who's been on show or i was literally like look. I'm gonna ask them questions. That probably sound very strange to you. But i am curious and i was telling you wanna have sex. So tell me what do you fantasize. And what does that like. What happens when you masturbate. What are you thinking all these questions because it is. It's a moment of having or you're you're like i don't think i have been experiencing these things and then you're just trying to go back to like the square wine of okay. I've assumed it's it. Looks like this but maybe my assumption was wrong. And so. I have what i call tame kink and i look forward to discussing this and a future future happy hour but basically i experienced. Imagine is close to sexual attraction. But it's not sexual attraction because there's no like actual sexual part but like the physical feelings where my fingers we'll get all tinguely and it feels like my body is all were by butterflies in my stomach when and it's something very tame happens like somebody shows that they care about somebody else or they really protective of somebody else or just like really sweet caring stuff. That's what gets me going. And that's what i seek out and fan fiction. I do feel the thing but it's not like a sexual. Yeah because it not like seeing anybody usually. It's just something. I'm reading about or even thinking about or it feels kind of like when you're on top of a roller coaster and it's just not to drop but that's what i experience and it's almost never i do you. Fictional character is obviously like luke skywalker being the number one. I feel like strong emotions but like if you remove it. I don't feel for the actor fictional entirely based on that. And if i if i find somebody really like emotionally attractive. I can think someone's really beautiful. I can feel that. But i think s even then. I don't think i'm feeling sexual jackson so much just like i want to be with that person right and just spend time with them and talk with them right. Make all those make sense into the level of safety in in such as well. Everybody has different things that according to how i feel certain time it could be an action that someone does and i'm like oh dan the sexy think something that i do have a moment of of course. I have a harder time. Sometimes because of the sexual trauma that i've experienced as well as the sexual trauma that i saw and work with on a daily basis had lot of cases so there's a lot of different levels to that and try to separate some of these things because y'all when you've been in that field and i'm sure we've got more and more social workers following us. Hi all. i'm sure they know what i'm talking about that. You want to be in that moment but even like being distracted by whatever will work. That happened that day as a huge thing and changes things pretty quickly no matter what and that could be a whole conversation of being just really distracted and in your mindset as well as preferences but yeah i think all of those things you talking. What you find as attraction is that we say but it's not sexual but i'm trying to see how to say not making a romantic thing but it is a romantic thing without the sexual thing but not necessarily always right okay. So you're getting there for all of those things are just an end. It is for you to but for me as a personality thing. That is an automatic. That i would want that. You know what. I may or want to give that you and i are very close and it'll be a close as we have that language of giving to each other or comforting each other in a manner of helping are doing something that you see as the other person likes or wants or enjoys so you cater to that for me my own life because you are very defined loves and i love that you make it very easy to give even though is a law abstract so it's harder to find those things will have to create my own things for you know you love it because you also have things that you like kind of like our other friends who have those interests already have. What the hell do i do this. Because i loved it for so long and they've always been a part of them so that's easy and hard at the same time for me. I don't really have those interest. I thought about that. Another day is like i feel sometimes. I'm a sociopath. And this is going on to a whole different level because we talk about attraction. And i've thought about this. I thought about this. When i was watching dexter to now. I don't know if people who have gone through and probably had been diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder at one point in time and or could have been. I'm still sure. I'm gonna have a hard time finding loves and likes of things i used to make myself because this is normal. I have to play normal. So it programmed to collect or want something and then my dear love mother who also is similar to you. And i have like you like this. I'm going to cater to this. And i'm going to focus on those because you love it would give me tons and tons and tons of stuff like that me realizing only senate because i needed to say because i need to be normal and now all the or to do with this. I'm going on a different round. This kind of that whole level of trying to figure out. What is it that i love and when i do fight attraction. What is this up for me for the longest have. It's just physical. It wasn't emotional. As bad. I took motions completely out of it for the longest time. There was no such thing for me so it's kind of like i don't do the emotional sexual attraction. I don't do that because think someone's maybe you just don't like romantic. You're a romantic. And i was like was because i want it. There's there's there's like man if so so did this for me. I would be bologne away. You know what. I mean like growing up these kind of romantic notions and qs. I love it. And so what i do get it. I'm like oh thank you. I love that. And i want to do that. I wanna do that for other people. Do what you love. So let's do this. But it's weirdly enough like i don't know what that is for me again. Rediscovering all these things but that that conversation of like okay. So what is this attraction for me. is it right. Abcd okay let's figure this out and trying to also combat very very like again. You know this as well as i do as anyone who identifies as anything but heterosexual would understand. This is that level of how to pretend to be normal. And it's so ingrained with me in me that what i'm pretending to be becomes what i think that makes sense rate like okay so for the this is normal. So i'm going to say i am and then i believe it to the point that i can't change it so like wait. Do i like that kind of that level and it is. It's really hard to like. Decipher all of that. Because like all right these makes does exist. But this is what i know and this tended to be and of course this goes beyond was again and i keep pulling this in at. I don't mean to that. It goes beyond just sexuality like identifying my sexuality goes beyond that it goes beyond the everyday again. Am i frigging sociopath dry need rethink my life but dot dot dot but all of that to say. There's a lot to that level of just beyond if we could focus beyond that. It's like wow okay. Let's have a big conversation of again. What societal expectations and norms are placed on us. And how tangled that makes everything else in our thought process. Yes yeah. I think that's one of my biggest takeaways from this whole book is that it's messy like we can't you can't remove the patriarchy from your experience and you can't remove white supremacy from your experience like you can be aware of it and do work on your part but you grew up in that system and so ah when you start asking yourself these questions which we're gonna talk about more but you can get really in your head about well. What does this mean am i. Is this some something that came out of being raised in this system like am. I playing into a stereotype or against a stereotype. And why am i doing that and just really really being uncertain on something you were probably already kind of didn't feel maybe i should say for me. It makes it hard for me to claim something one hundred percent. Because i'm like. I can't say for sure. And that's not a great mind space to be in where you can't say y you feel the way that you do or don't feel the way that you do know now where everybody's associated about that's okay. i recently told some friends of ours. That i thought about the whole dogs thing being overrated at baby being rated and let me say people would not let it go. They were knocked off it. Learned this lesson. Eddie you about your stays on the baby. Yoda not about the. Maybe yoda but i do want to say this is actually kind of relevant to what we're talking about. Is i think that my when i say overrated i think that my version of overrated might not mean what a lot of people mean when they say it and but it is kind of a similar thing and we talked about this in my dead inside episode. Where it's like maybe i'm just not. Maybe i'm feeling thing you're feeling i'm just not emoting like you're a motive or like maybe we're just expressing it differently but it can't be in somebody's head right against you can think something's not interesting and that's okay. That might be dog and like. Oh yes they're cool in store and that's kind of your conversation as i thought about this because every time before watching star wars every time i said i'd never saw it the look of like i said i got like a comedown had to be a bigger states on. They're watching it. Which is what my other friend. Who i've known for years. When i told them actually why it he's like. I thought you that was going to be your thing. Where you just never watched star wars. I was like yeah gave like like because we blurs so like pushy to be. You need to watch this. And then this weekend i just got the you didn't watch star trek. I don't get refunds. And i was like. I don't know what's happening and then me having to explain. I don't like fi that much. I'm starting to get into it and may just having to stare so that's a whole different conversation but yeah literally like it's not i hate it. I write career. Yes you do. I even brought you up now. I'm just saying like i know. She's not feeling what. I'm feeling kind of thing we're talking about. We're just experiencing the same thing. Yeah in different ways kind of like food. You may like this thing. And i may not the one that we agreed on males trash. I always from one thing. We agree on one of the things that like like. I won't touch it. I won't even like. I don't remember frigerator and i've never had a blows my mind like oh yeah you want i mean anyway. Sorry got got off so back to the birth and go back to this quotes right. The repeat after me she wrote does not not mean so. Don't repeat after me for her. Repeat after me sexual attraction is not sex drive. These two phenomena are often treated as interchangeable but understanding that. They're separate helps explain. Ace experience simply put sex drive or libido is designed for sexual release a set of feelings in the body often combined with intrusive thoughts it come out of nowhere and for no obvious reasons and not be about. Anyone is an internal experience of sexual frustration. That does not depend on sexual orientation. A woman can be gay and have a high sex drive that is. She frequently wants sexual release. A man can be straight and have a low sex drive. A person could be as and have no desire for sexual release at all or a person can be ace and have a so called undirected sex drive. That tingling in the numbers and under sex drive isn't a quick of ex-experience as another way of saying being horny which can afflict anyone because holiness does not need include sexual attraction. Imagine a game in with a high sex drive surrounded by women it is possible for him to fill horny and want to get laid even if he's not interested in any way around him sexual attraction than is hoarding this toward a caused by specific person. It is the desire to be sexual with that partner. Libido with a target to use a metaphor person can fill physiological hunger which would be liked sex drive without craving a specific dish which would be more like sexual attraction and just as people have different. Sex drive's they also experienced different levels of sexual attraction some aces have a libido and some don't but we all share the lack of sexual attraction and most of us have alot desire for partnered sex as a side note important to clarify that neither sexual attraction nor sex drive are the same as physical arousal people can have random erections or be aroused during medical exams with no libido or a chechen involved and by the way that could also be said and this is not what he writes. This may speaking about when a rape cases happen and talking about being aroused that has always conversation and yes that is a physiological thing it is not necessarily sexual attraction wanting it. Yes yes and we talked about that in our other. Our past book club. Come as you are. And i think that this is a a good quote to kind of describe those things i said. That's one of the number. One questions i get is like. But you masturbate. So you must have some kind of sexual desire but there are just all these. We've got all these things tangled up together. And they don't need to be and they shouldn't be. And i think you know when i i mean this. I've been tmi on this many times. But like when. I am asked not. It's usually because it feels good and also release. I can concentrate better. And i'm like almost never ever thinking of somebody if i am a fictional character but it's not it's not like i saw somebody i got some non and i gotta go right. It's like it's just she about specifically about that too A lot of times people are having a because it just feels good into story. This and i mean. I know this is probably much bigger conversation but it feels better than any sex i've ever had and i would prefer over the other one. Who would say that even people who would consider themselves sexual with how the same conversation. Yeah which is. I mean makes sense and trying to like. Throw anybody under the bus here. Because it just makes sense you would know your body better and you write figure those things out and it's also like battery operated that's easier to communicate in your head. Yes exactly. It is kind of like instinct. Joel oh this is where to go. And i think people can have amazing sex in you can communicate really well and and not trying to say that doesn't exist. I can totally believe it does but there are just some things that are easier. It's yourself and yeah you know what you want and don't have to really try to communicate that because the words can be tricky explaining can be tricky play if a natural disaster comes knocking. How prepared is your family. You can't just close the door on earthquakes floods or hurricanes and hope they go away. That's why it's important to make a plan now. Ready dot gov slash plan has the tools and tips. You need to prepare your family for emergency disaster shows up at your doorstep. You'll be ready. 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Nineteen what will be visit get vaccine answers dot org for information on the covert nineteen vaccines. It's up to you brought to you by the ad council. Here's another quote. In fact de my sexuality and gray sexuality not only can describe aloes they actually have to many could technically be considered aloe asexuality is about who you are sexually attracted to. No one did. My sexuality describes the conditions under which someone develops sexual attraction after an emotional bond is formed and grey asexuality can be about how often someone develops sexual attraction rarely does possibly pants actual and demi sexual or gray a heterosexual or any number of other combinations. And i i want to include that. Because i think there was a lot of interesting things that was brought up through interviews. In that chapter there was one point about hookup culture and over sexualization. Maybe kind of an anxiety that these terms these labels were being news for people who basically thought that the level of sex they should want. They weren't there and that as a society. We've just been totally hyper sexualizing over-centralised. And so they thought that maybe something was in very heavy quotes wrong with them are. They weren't on the same level of the people. Maybe that's just a cultural thing. They've internalized and then there's also the interesting point of people using these labels but really they were just being jack about it and having anxieties around that of like and i'm being very general and stereotypical here but kind of you know like the man who says he is like a romantic and all this stuff and then treats you like like. Don't treat people terribly right. So i i understand those anxieties. And i think again. This book does a really good job of like it's complicated And people have acted in ways that are cruel to other people that can unfortunately sometimes sort of a wine with how people understand. Think that these labels what they mean which isn't necessarily the case at all. But just what people think like if you i think of her a wad of women if you met a guy who said like i'm not into romance. Even if he did identify that way you would immediately have kind of like a tensing up of oh he means like he just wants to try us me and then throw me away or something which i'm jay again generalizations. I know you give me a romantic mad at not be like that but i think that's like the right that people have labels in general made people nervous all kinds of ways and we also see people who are being jr dick's about the fight. That labels can be important in that you need. You want identify yourself. You need to know about yourself. Which i know is like a lightbulb moment for many people. And we've kinda seeing this. And i don't think she's she's definitely didn't mention this but like with pronounced off and we have the right coming in and going real hardcore being like. How dare you do this. Because now you're categorizing or whatever making me see something that i don't wanna see or acknowledge something that i don't wanna knowledge type of conversation as well. It is kind of like well. It's not for you right. So foreshore so going. On with more quotes sexuality is more than sexual orientation and attraction is more than sexual attraction yet humans can act as though sexual interest is the only reason we find ourselves compelled by others. Aesthetic attraction can guide romantic attraction or the feeling of being romantically interested in or having a crush on someone romantic orientation then the knows the gender that people usually develop crushes on these use the same linguistic constructions sexual orientations swapping out. The sexual part had a romantic pain. Romantic almost romantic and so on people who don't experience romantic attraction towards anyone are called a romantic or ero the concepts of eremita system and asexuality developed alongside each other. So arrows have long. Been part of the community though. Some people are a romantic at not a sexual. Yes which to me by was and and that's something else. I had no idea about until i started on this show right. That was new up real well into my adult life. And that's i identify personally as obam sick but it is nice to know. Because i would feel like attraction to both luke and leia and be very confused by it but then i want nothing sexual like. How is this happening at all right now. I know something else. That chen goes into in. This book is religion. Which is something we talk about a lot in in this show and how that impacts views on sex and morality and how not wanting sex can feel old fashioned and conservative. You know this whole idea of not wanting to feel repressed wanting to feel liberated. And that's something i really identify with. I really connected with and i just feel. I talked about this briefly. Because i'm so happy that we're finally talking about women having sex and liking sex and wanting sex i think but i think it has gotten like tied to that means. You're liberated and if you don't want that then you're not and i think that also is changing and again it is another thing that is complicated because of the patriarchy right and things like religion which of course the patriarchy touches but yeah i'd sort of wears a whole chapter about the religious aspect of this and this assumption that everyone struggles with sexual desire religious texas kind of a lot of a lot of ways the heart of a lot of religion. Is that the idea that everyone struggles with this. And you have to be chaste and withhold. Hold back from your desire until you are married right. And then you know have kids. And that's speaking of which vendors viral video recently of this dude who decided approach several eighteen year old girls on the beach to tell them that they are causing mendelssohn and they need to think about their life and what they're doing addressing sluts and they need to get it together. Oh yeah because he's like he said my son's out here. My family is trying to enjoy things that all they can seize your bikinis and by the way their normal bikinis matters not that it matters at all like they can be wearing jeans and a water. What i enjoy your life do your thing. But they were just regular wearing regular bikinis. They look great. Go ahead enjoyed love your life. You look wonderful. Enjoy that body but and it went viral to the point that all the people like what the hell is wrong with you. And he came in decided to come back with a video saying that he was a god fearing man and he was doing the work of god and just wanted to let this. He tried to be real cool. I just wanted them to protect them. And let them know that you know. This is really harmful into what jesus loves them more than that. Essentially yeah to say he got fired. And then he got chastise and he's been redeemed over the coals. Repeatedly been light. But anyway. But i think stuff like that and again. We talked about it when i was talking about the murders that happened in atlanta. The shootings happened in atlanta. This conversation causes a lot of violence in general when we talk about morality but it also causes a lot of like fear and just again this whole conversation of like. Am i normal. Am i supposed to be feeling this. So if i'm not trying to be religious and i'm not trying to be an. I'm trying to go forward in this movement and me saying i don't want sex and my doing the wrong thing because i'm not. You know liberated again. Like she says. And i think that's a big conversation because we have one extreme or the other is the either completely chase or you have to be you. Know a raging in and constantly turning over partners non this middle ground of just being just being right and just being happy to be what they were an who who they are and not wanting then you go on like yeah. It's both good and bad when it comes to relationships and what it is expected under the misogynistic idea of what marriage is supposed to be when we look at the religious conservative religious ideas of what marriage is and how damaging it is for one or the other and it's such a weird conversation because it doesn't feel like there's much of a common like a middle ground or no round situation. Yeah yeah. I think that's something. We can all examine. Perhaps and maybe we'll come back and do another episode on it one day but there's just a lot of judgments around if people are having sex in the type of sex they're having so like even if maybe you are having sex but it is quote boring right but maybe that's fine with you. Maybe that's what you want. But there's a lot of judgement around that like how much sex you are having and i. I do think it has a lot to do with this history of the patriarchy in repressing women. And not letting women be sexual. Not letting women have pleasure and so we do have a lot of concern around that anxiety around that but the fact is those things can exist and that might be what somebody wants and again can change. Yeah right can change. And that is this whole level of duty in. That doesn't conversation waiting to call like we've talked about media time. But how that stigma also really really hurts everything everything in this obligation and in this whole narrative of again your sex women sex saying as this is something to be a prized and gifted to those worthy of you get To those who are worthy. That means you can't deny it because it's a gift. I mean both of those things and to slow it down. It's become a running joke. Obviously like the once you get made you stop having sex especially you like. I'm very confused. Why like as a kid. This conversation and this constant job. That i'm like get it has happened But like having that yeah people sex drive changes and there's a lot of start again like i talked about my job and we know that the outside narratives and then feeling that guilt not only for those. I think for everyone if you keep up with that and feeling like okay. Well i'm not normal. Now right i mean yeah. That's a that's a good point because assist another example of this assumption. Which i know. We're going to talk about that more later to. But the assumption that this is like sexist best thing and you should be getting it all the time right and it should be great and the best and if you're not then something's wrong or you're boring or like all these things that we assume about people like that but it's just assumed that that that's what you should want and it is a joke like once you get married. The fact that it's a joke. I want to get married all the sudden. It's usually the woman wanna have sex anymore that we should question why that is right. I mean much question that is it's mini yes and going on with more quotes because we love it. None of this aligned with my goals. She writes the words. Used to describe women who didn't have sex sela but absent pure chaste seem to either clinical or moralistic in a way at disdained. The words used to describe women who did free empower bold. I liked wanted to apply to me now. Few people would explicitly say that sexually. Conservative women are wildflowers but popular culture made it that insinuation clear and so. I had a vague unquestioned. Feeling that the women who produce sex are more fun and famous than the women. Who don't yeah. And i think that's really interesting. That's what she writes because also there's that opposite end the feminist group. Yeah you want to say free empowered bold but within outside of that. That's a slut whore any of those narratives again as we talk about that dude. So it's kind of interesting that that's how she saw it but it is that narrative like you want to fit in. So what structure do you want to fit in. I find that interesting as well. Because there's the the version of for so long a woman who's sexually liberated has been called us sled or a horror or like even just might have had sex once. I can be thrown lobbed at her but in feminist circles. It's it's more like iago you get it. You have that sex which is great again awkward but it does once again rely on this assumption that that equals impairments in a in a liberated woman which it does in some ways. But it's not. The only way that can rake here is another quote mighty is about the humiliation of repression and the meaning of liberated sexuality did not come from nowhere for so long women have been encouraged to deny sexual needs and instead serve the needs of men are worth is tied to sex. We are sexualize until we were too old. It shamed and police for being sexual ourselves prevented from exploring what we desire are allowed to desire. This is doubly truth. The women in question aren't straight. So yeah that's kind of going off of what you were saying samantha. Once again you cannot win. You cannot win no matter what and i want to include because i did feel this as well especially when i came into work on a feminist podcast i was like oh no i have to keep this to myself like i gotta be out and proud about go having sex swimmin- go get it. Get which i am and i was like that high school too because i wanted to fit in. I've wanted to be normal and heavy quotes. And i did. I wanted people. I wanted women or any marginalized group to have sex that they wanted. And it'd be fine but and that does get all mixed up with this sort of patriarchy and feminism and assumptions around sex. But i will say for me. And i don't think that this is a healthy thought either but i experienced almost opposite of this whole thing where i hard to describe but i guess thought sex degrading for women because it had been for so long. Been about men's pleasure and to me. It seemed and this was also really uninformed about what i saw on cornyn and movies and stuff but to me it just seemed like the woman was a price to be one and the man one in a sexual encounter in the woman lost so i experienced almost this opposite thing and that's also because i wasn't where i grew up. You know they were people but that conversation not being had so. I didn't really have that sort of like empowered narrative. As much as i. As i do now i hear now but for me i just and i would hear my friends. Talk about Sex they were having and how much they enjoy too. And i was like my brain could not get on board and i just thought that was interesting that for me. I was like the opposite where i was like. I've never having sex with a man because the patriarchy it's a different form of not not good feminine know kind of is really misinformed understanding of it and i just thought i was. I was intrigued by our different experiences around that. I think it's interesting too. Because i feel the same way as you did. It's it's always been about. Power is all about men gaining power. Taking something and women are just prizes as essentially group with that. And that's what we learned in high school. That's what we hear a guy saying in like having brothers and kind of talking about you know so izzo did this is so and so it was always the girls a slut and the dude obviously was the one pressuring and that was that competition. I grew up with understanding. This is what happens. Oh no i don't want that. I don't every time. I'd hear a story about something happening between a couple. The girl is always something happening whether she's forced to do something or whether they do something. That's gross to like always an added to humiliate the woman right and including oral sex and having a blowjobs on any of that to me was the most degrading of all things that made women seem nothing but the vessel. Yeah i don't know. I like the or i guess before something just for pleasure. Only we've seen into me. That was one of the most humiliating things that you can think of. And so that was the biggest joke for anything that happened within high school teenagers. Whatever like of course. It's not sex but it's still something that men can have and therefore used women even more. So that's that's what it seems. It wasn't until sex in the city. Then gotta turn that perspective from me when they talk about again is still the power dynamics but how pledge role how. It's not pleasurable and all these things because it literally goes from one character saying she doesn't like she doesn't want it. She doesn't want to do it and i ended their relationship to another character trump. I like it sometimes. i. It's like literally says i'll order off the menu every now and again and talking about how you know things have been changing and how that can be a thing for women to enjoy as well. There's this again negates all of the the love romance and trust and communication in a relationship that can happen in that to which we want to come back to in general. But like yeah. I've right with yours. This is degrading. And this is what it means but also came with that misogynistic idea of my virginity as my praise. Right must not give it unless they are worthy right right and i have had friends. Wherever had this discussion. This very disgusted with them. And they'll they'll tell me. Like i get real pleasure out of like really bringing someone like to the edge and like having being in control of that pleasure for them and i totally get that. But yeah i. These formative ideas i had. Are these really misinformed ideas. I had at the beginning. The i was yeah. I thought it was degrading. And i think that also says something about rape culture and the the media we consume and how sex is often portrayed that that's what i thought it looks like and it's never about the woman's pleasure right ever or if it is it's only like we talked about as a way for the man to be like i am still about him okay so because we went so far off the rails this we're gonna we're gonna have to break this up into two our first book club to furner. Yes so keep an ear out. And i out for part too soon but in the meantime if you have any suggestions for book club or or any suggestions at all we love to hear them you can emails stuffy. Dear mom stuff at iheartmedia dot com. You can find us on twitter podcasts or an instagram at stuff on. Never told you think. Oh it's you're super producer christina. Thank you and thanks to you for listening stuff. Overtone spectrum iheartradio for more podcast iheartradio radio visit the iheartradio app apple. Podcast wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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Brooke's PREGNANT!-- Back To Boston

The BosBabes

26:16 min | 2 months ago

Brooke's PREGNANT!-- Back To Boston

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This summer everywhere from Texas, to Vegas going back home to the Boston area. At the beginning of the summer. I spent a good chunk of time back in North Carolina, which is where my boyfriend Ryan is from, and I'm sure a lot of you guys know that I've been spending money. The summer and the state of Washington. So yes, I have been all over the place, all across the country and fully enjoying it. So the last time you guys heard me do an episode alone. I called that the summer kick-off episode and you guys absolutely loved it in that episode. I talked all about baseball season and what Ryan and I have been up to for those of you guys that haven't listened to it yet. Please go check that out. It's called the summer kick-off, and I kind of describe you guys what it was like, having Ryan be picked up for a baseball team. Brian is now playing for the Seattle Mariners AAA team. We are in Chicago playing for the Tacoma Rainiers. I actually got picked up by the team back in May. So again, we've been here for about 2 or 3 months. Now, you guys know that I took birth Organ and crazy, 4 day road, trip out here from North Carolina with Ryan's parents in our dog Decker. So stay tuned because you know that I will 100% be doing a full, you heard me correctly, full pot cast episode of me. Just talking about that road trip because that was absolute Insanity. I had never done a road trip like that before but my sister is pregnant. You guys know, but this episode is all about my trip, back home to Boston. Back in June. I went to go visit Ryan in Tacoma. Couldn't stay there that long because I have to fly all the way across the country. Yes. It is six or seven hours long. The main reason why I flew all the way back home was not only do see, friends and family and to kind of just hang out and go to the beaches and go to Fenway Park and do all the fun stuff that I normally do when I'm back home. But again, my sister is pregnant. She was literally about to give birth within the next week or two. His due date. I believe is August 18th earlier today. My sister was texting my brother and I tried to get us to guess the weight and the actual birthday when we think he's going to be born. So we all kind of have our guests is out there. I think it's going to happen on August 15th. Ryan thinks he's going to be born on the 12th. So we've been all kind of guessing when baby Ethan is going to make his grandparents listening to this episode because towards the Dead End of it. I will be talking all about her baby shower. When I landed at the airport, of course, I flew into Logan Airport. That's the big airport in the Boston area. My good friend. Alicia picked me that I freaking love. This girl actually went to high school together. We have a lot of great creative friends in the local area. So, every time I'm back home, I always hit her up. She always picks me up from the airport. We usually get dinner or lunch together and we always do something fun and creative love being back home and incorporating her into my life and all aspects. Shout out to Alicia, you rock. If you guys are interested in a calling her on social media. Her Instagram tag is at Alicia l e, e, s h a lens like camera lens crack. The day after I flew in. You heard me correctly Fenway Park, baby. Of course, I had to go to Fenway Park. For those of you guys that are listening and you do not know what Fenway Park is. I think it's one of the oldest baseball. Professional baseball parks. There is in the United States. The Boston Red Sox play their very well known for those were the green monster. It's very old school. The bathrooms are very old-looking. Everything's like all rickety and what not. A lot of it has been redone but a lot of em, actually like the fact that it's very nostalgic when you walk down. Like Yawkey Way, you see all the shops and the people selling the hot dogs and the beers and the roasted peanuts and it's just thought that's such like a homey feel to it. And anybody that has either 8 from the Boston area or be visiting, the Boston area needs to those. See a Boston Red Sox jersey. Game because it's just such a fun experience. Yes. I did go to a Boston Red Sox game. Of course, Alicia wet with me and a couple of her friends. Our good friend, Matt Revolt. He owns a Boston man magazine. He's awesome. He got the tickets for us. Guess who was playing the Red Sox versus the Houston Astros. So, you know that it was an absolute freaking should show. Yes, the Astros cheated their way or allegedly cheated their way through winning the World Series. A few seasons back. Naturally Boston's fans are going to be booing. They boo people anyway, so, of course they were freaking booing the whole game, especially one players like Jose Altuve were up at Pat. It was just absolutely Mayhem fans were going crazy. It was going down. If you were at this freaking Red Sox game, you know, exactly what the heck I'm talking about. This was also one of the Dead First baseball games, or I think sporting events where it was basically almost at full capacity. So people were like, animals, let out of a freaking cage. They were just letting loose having fun. It was a few days after quote unquote, maskless Eva's people joked around so people didn't have to wear masks or anything like the Bears were flowing down and the fish were flying again. It is the Boston area. People were just happy. They were Jolly just enjoying the game. Not like this game was an entertaining enough, a Streaker. I believe came out of nowhere. If I remember correctly somewhere out in like right field just like booked it across the field was like heading towards the purchase of my house and I was just like, oh my gosh, literally I got the whole thing on camera. I filmed it. I believe it's up in the boss. Babes Instagram's. I definitely have a post up there of this shriek birth. Almost tackling. Whoever the heck, the pitcher was for the Houston Astros that day. Absolutely bananas. Absolutely hilarious. But so freaking funny. First game back at Fenway Park. I had it been there in a couple of years, especially with the covin situation, being able to not only see two great teams face each other but to see a Streaker. Yes, that made the whole game. Those of you guys that are listening and if you're from the Boston area and even if you're not from the Boston area because I know I have bought a Gibson attics and all different states and all different countries. Shout out to every single one of you. You know that I did a special podcast episode with Chelsea Barnes. She's from the East Coast from Jersey. Her husband is actually Matt Barnes. He's a pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. They both met while going to college together. I happen to bump into her birth. While being at the Red Sox game, I guess we didn't really bump into each other because we texted one another and she knew I was going to be there, but it was awesome. Just being able to hang out with her. She's so down-to-earth. So chill. Superfund her hubby actually, just recently, went to the All-Star Game in Colorado. Chelsea. And that are always giving back to the local communities as well. So I love catching up with her. I love following anything that she's doing. I think she's currently involved right now with promise series, Seattle Mariners, wives and girlfriends. We are actually involved with prom series as well. If you guys don't know what promise series is, please go check them out on Instagram. It's a non-profit. They do a lot of great charity work with local to the Florida area, but I believe they give back to other areas as well. But they are currently doing is they are having the wives and girlfriends of baseball players purchase bath. To school items for foster care girls, so that has been amazing. I've been involved with it and I actually bought for a little girl and I hope she absolutely loves the item I purchased and I know that a lot of other wives and girlfriends are doing the same. Again, if you guys want to help out with prom Series in any way, shape, or form, whether that be donating to them directly or purchase anything for a foster girl, you can go ahead to their Instagram. It's just at prom like going to the prom at prom series being able to hang out with Jake Barnes was awesome. I got to spend a couple of innings with her and then she went back up to the Red Sox wives sweet because she went to go watch her hubby, Matt pitch. He absolutely dominated again, all around the game was fantastic, Boston, Red Sox. Crushed it. It was a great win and I had so much fun. But before I wrap up, talking about being at Birth, It sucks game, you know, we're going to talk about those Fenway Franks. Raise your hand and send me a DM directly on my personal. Instagram at Brittany baldy. Let me know if you have ever had a Fenway Frank or any hot dog at a baseball park. Let me tell you this. I'm not really much of a hot dog person. If I'm going to a freaking barbecue. Wow, I would much rather and I don't mean to sound snobby, but I would much rather have a rare cooked burger with all the fixings. I would much rather have chicken wings is with side salads, and some potato chips, and I love me some steak tips. But heck yeah, when I'm at a ballpark, especially Fenway you, damn sure. I am going for those Fenway Franks. Not only did I have one, but I had to walk away Frank's. There is nothing like a freaking Fenway. Frank, the way that you bite into it, the way that it's snaps in your mouth. It's so juicy. Big fan of these Fenway Franks and the dog, eat it. I don't know about you guys listening, when you like to eat your hot dogs or Fenway Franks or whatever. I usually, like to put relish, sometimes on my hotdog and other times. I really enjoy. Catch up those. The only two toppings that I will put on a hot dog once in a while. If I'm feeling a little frisky. I will throw some chili on it. When it comes to the Fenway Frank. This is like the Lamborghini song dogs. People. You do not put anything on this freaking hot dog. You literally have to just eat it plain nothing on it obviously with the bunch so I had to play a game. Fenway Franks and they were delicious baby aside from spending time with friends and family and my sister's baby shower, which we will be talking about very shortly. After I also went to a awesome charity event. You guys know the boss babes lifestyle Sports podcast is all about charity, all about giving back and how would you local pro athletes, give back in a huge way. Shout out to Blue, Sky, sports and entertainment. I love working alongside of them. They work with so many Fantastic, local athletes and celebrities. That's a big part of what they do is help. These local athletes, set up charity events, and help raise money. For a number of causes. Again. This charity event was back in June of this past year, Joe, and Rosie, for those of you guys that do not know who he is, please go do a quick Google. Search. The man is very well known in the Boston area you play with the New England Patriots for number? Ears also is a Super Bowl champion and Joe was actually diagnosed with cancer a number of years ago and through that he and his wife, Jen, and his family realized, like holy cow, like the amount of bills that they racked up with him having to get treatment and staying in the hospital. He realized it was astronomically high. So they kind of figured like wow, if these bills are this high for a professional athlete, that makes a good living off. Just imagine what this burden is, like, on people that have a working nine-to-five job with a couple of children, making an average salary wage. What Jen and Joe did was they came up with an awesome nonprofit called The Joe andruzzi foundation and they essentially dead. Provide New England area, cancer, patients, and their families with financial assistance. So through hosting certain events and Galas and in this case, a golf tournament. They raised a ton of money in this money goes directly towards their nonprofit. Again, Joe andruzzi foundation. And with that money down, 100% of the proceeds go towards these cancer patients and their families to help pay their bills, Joanne Jersey, golf tournament. It was kind of rainy, but nice nonetheless. The event was a lot of fun. It was held at the Black Rock Country Club and a Hingham Massachusetts. Lots of local celebrities were there and professional athletes, both past and present were involved. I believe that they raised a couple hundred thousand dollars, which is absolutely fabulous and incredible Jen. And Joe do such a good job at putting on such a fan off. Event. However, I did get some interviews with former Boston Red Sox. Well known for his knuckleball. Tim Wakefield, Joe andruzzi himself and MLB Hall of Famer. Jim Rice. Here are some quick interview clips that I wanted to highlight for you guys. You guys can listen to that. Here. They are right here. We're here with to Wakefield started to be here. And obviously, we're waiting for the rain to pass know, for your knuckleball. That how are you going to do on the green today? And who's on your team? It's, you know, gyms on, on my team. I wish he was he and I play a lot of golf together. My thoughts my group yet, but I'm excited to get the invites in jail, to to help support his foundation and have a really good time here at Blackhawk Country Club. First-ever golf tornament. Oh, no, I've been to some of his other events and wage, then, you know, obviously, you know, like Jim. And I, we, we playing a lot of charity events around around New England as much as much as we can. We like to give back. They still families out there struggling and being here today and enjoying this lovely coughing. Losing a lot of golf balls. Probably, we're going to be spreading the wealth and helping those that are need that. You don't head hitting that Financial toxicity that we always talk about about, you know, cancer is not Chief wage, you know, some people that are out there, they need that actually helps you don't get evicted from their homes. Going online, working with the social workers throughout New England has helped a great deal cuts out job and half. They know the people that are in need a bath, when it comes to people personally or families and it's more or less mortgage rent utilities that are the main focus and we're able to pay off, you know, your electric your oil, your your mortgage and many things like that. And I know firsthand. I was fortunate enough to play in NFL for ten years. And when I was in the hospital for three months, inpatient and fifty, plus days there that my wife and kids and family was all turned upside down. And, you know, I thank God everyday for what I did. But others aren't as fortunate and to be there in the hospital and seeing the people walking at a hospital, like a revolving door and stuff. So being able to do we do and how we pay it forward. It is truly amazing. It's the most rewarding thing we can do and we'll be seeing some patients today and even some of the stories we get back and letters the emails and things like that. That just give you a call when he read Jim. How is it being here today? Supporting the Joe, andruzzi Foundation. I was chairman, is Jimmy flying For What by six, seven years. And so by waking has this sort of magic and American history. So when you created with the Red Sox, you contribute to the Bruins, you can turn to the papers. Whoever throwing a traumatic time. You show up. Are you an avid golfer or lawyer skills guy? I think I am a skills probably par. But, you know, if we get about the gulf, we talked about the charity. I mean, when you talk about charity, it's like, you know, guys out here that a Thursday. We were very, very talented. Be able to play a sport. There's nothing wrong with playing golf. Something you enjoy to get something back and it's not hurting. You only thing is hurting you is probably going through traffic and stuff like that. That's not bad. You get you a cup of coffee. You come on down. I hope you guys loved listening to those interview Clips by Joe. Andruzzi. Tim Wakefield and Jim Rice. And if you guys are interested in helping out and bought a shape or form with the Joe andruzzi Foundation, you guys can head directly to their Instagram page. They have there. Org page located right there. Again, guys, the boss babes are all about giving back helping out whenever we can, and, of course, showcasing What pro athletes do, both on and off the field at the start of this episode? I started saying my sister is pregnant. So yes, my sister broke, it is pregnant and she is having a baby boy. Again. He is due at any point in the next week or two. I'm so thrilled. It's the first baby in the FAQ. I'm going to be an aunt, of course and I'm actually the Godmother. I am super freaking excited for that this offseason, of course Ryan and I will be going back home to visit the family and see the new baby again. The main reason why I went back home was for her baby shower. The baby's name is Ethan and I wanted to share that name with you because originally when my sister was trying to get pregnant, both her and her husband, really wanted to have a baby girl. Like they were dead set on having a girl and then wham bam. The universe gave them a baby boy, but they are so freaking excited instead of naming the baby Emma. They are naming the baby Ethan, of course because he's a boy baby shower. It was fantastic. It was a brunch style. So we had, my boss says, we had breakfast foods. It was that a very nice venue. A lot of people actually get married at this venue. It was absolutely gorgeous. We had such a pretty day. The Sun was shining it off. Pretty cool out. No one was sweating or anything like that. Thank God. We were surrounded by lots of friends and family. I actually got to help give the gifts to my sister. So she had a whole bunch of tables full of freaking gifts. Her registry. Must have been fact, I don't even think she needs to get any gifts for this baby for Christmas. I told her she needs to take some of these gifts and rewrap them for Christmas gifts. Because wow, she got loaded down. Her gifts included, custom, baby blankets with horses on them because they are really big into the Cowboy theme and they love sports. Some of the custom blankets had the baby's name on it. She got rocking horses books and diapers, and baby onesies and everything. In between think, my sister was very grateful for all of the gifts that she received and all the love and the support. Also cousin is pregnant. So shout out to my cousin Brianna. She is actually do with her first baby. She's having a girl. So when I go back home, not only will Ryan and I be seeing my nephew Ethan for the first time, but we will also be seeing my cousin Brianna's, baby girl for the first time. But nonetheless, I I had such a freaking fantastic time. Back in the Boston area to wrap up, this freaking episode. I went to Fenway Park, went home for my sister's baby shower, or spend time with the beach, got some mimosas, got some seafood. Had some prime, do when swimming SARS Streaker at Fenway, heard people booing at Fenway Park or bumped into some friends like all in. All my trip was absolutely fabulous. I love going back to Massachusetts. And of course, I just want to thank all of you bots. Fanatics for listening to this episode and all of my episodes on here, guys, know that I drop about four brand new podcast episodes of month. Completely free to subscribe on both Spotify and I thought, And we are also on iheartmedia on that app. So if you don't have Spotify or iTunes, you can definitely TuneIn on iHeartRadio media app as well. As I mentioned earlier, the boss babes. Do you have a YouTube channel where I put up a bunch of fun blogs and such. So go ahead and subscribe to that. If you are interested in watching any of the Vlogs that I post put up tons of awesome interviews. I've interviewed NHL players NFL players female race car, drivers athletes, significant others, and of course, reality TV competitors. You guys love listening to my reality T, and she cuz you guys know that I come from a competitive reality, T background myself. I am so thrilled to be able to give you guys content and have you guys follow along with my life. I could not be more grateful for my awesome fan. Without you guys. I wouldn't be able to create content. I wouldn't have a reason to be creating content. So thank you guys so so much. Please continue to follow me. On all my social media platforms. I will continue to give you guys content, please. Feel free to DME at Brittany Vivaldi on Instagram. I love answering your GM's. I love your comment. You guys are all very sweet, kind Ryan. And I will be creating some content and podcasts together. The summer, I'll have tons more interviews with pro athletes and reality. T v competitors on this podcast right on the law podcast. And of course, stay tuned. Because, you know, I will be dropping a podcast episode on my most recent trip to Texas Vegas. And I will be chatting way more about my summer here in the Seattle Washington Tacoma area. So you guys rock. Thank you so much boss, babes Fanatics, and until next time have a dog is freaking week. Woo.

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9/10/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 1 (6am-7am)

Boomer & Gio

49:19 min | Last month

9/10/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 1 (6am-7am)

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Good morning dodgy right some twenty years ago. Three hundred forty four firefighters had passed away and killed and over seventy law enforcement. Officials were killed not only from the nypd but the p ems worker. You name it. I mean it's just a horrific time in our country. We all know that here. We are twenty years later and my personal connection to the north tower is significant. We were in Cantor fitzgerald offices on the one hundred first floor Howard let nick and cantor fitzgerald hosted us at no cost to our foundation. Got our fledgling foundation off the ground because of all of that support and that day lost my great friend. Timmy o'brien who was my first board member of my foundation and over. I don't know one hundred fifty to two hundred other friends and supporters of our foundation. Because we like. I said we were on the first floor. And that plane went in right below that floor and anybody above that had no chance of survival and i think about the images that day i think about all the things that have happened over the last twenty years and how our world changed how we changed and how it impacted so many people's lives from the people that died that day to the people who are continuing to die today because of the cancers that were suffered from from that attack and the aftermath of that to all of our gold star families to our wounded warriors to everybody in between And it really is a sobering fact when you think about it and i will never forget. I know my kids will never forget I'm glad to report that. Most of the kids. That i know that lost their dad that day are doing really well are doing really well and they are very aware of. What's going on. You know they were younger. Maybe it's you know the ages six seven eight nine they didn't understand or comprehend but now they're bombarded with images and videos and everything else and even doing documentaries on their own and writing books about their experience and i think that says a way for us to remember their their lost loved ones and on never forget coming back to new york about three days. Later 'cause i was stuck in monday night game and i went down to the site and i was with outback steakhouse and we were serving food to the men that were on those piles that were looking for any survivors. And i remember the gasps. I remember the crying. I remember the smell. I remembered this. Just the absolute devastation. Net sixteen acre area down there and it wasn't just the first two buildings that collapsed. I mean people tend to forget that one two three four five six seven world trade center buildings were either collapsing that day or had to be demolished because they were so significantly damaged because of the towers collapsed initially all had to be rebuilt and we have a constant reminder. When we walk out of our building we look to the right. Now we say we see the freedom tower tower that speaks to the inspiration of what this country's all about so. I wear the shirt proudly today. I'll always wear the shirt proudly. And i know that the f. d. n. y. Lost so many members That i think it's the right thing for us to do. And if you wanna call them and talk about it we can of course We can talk about the great football game last night. We talk about the to bed. Baseball teams that we have now here locally. That are getting ready to play a very significant weekend series. That means more to us. Sports fans than just the games themselves of course. And that's the really the reason why i'm going to tune in the mets. Of course i've been talking about how i don't believe that they've got any shot regardless of what the standings say in mathematically whatever it they don't have any shot to me it's about the honoring of the heroes in what sports played at that time. And i mean some of my most vivid memories of sports come from post nine. Eleven september mets yankees jets giants. I remember what the patriots joe andruzzi coming out with the flag. I mean it's just memories and to get back to Everything that we loved it was gonna take a long time but sports were there four us and i i mean the organizations were just fantastic. They did everything right at that. Time to support the city. The support of the first responders. Bobby valentine joe torry on and on i mean they did apps body vassal. Jim boscell herm edwards. Herm edwards is one of the sea. I remember from the football i. Of course there's a fan. But i was covering football at the time and and football because the stadiums you know hold seventy five eighty thousand people and you saw it again last night right before the sort of the game you know the the the memory of nine eleven and the national anthem and everything else and i like last night. I was and you know twenty years ago. These sports brought us all back together. We became one us a nation. And my what. The hell is happening to us over the last twenty years. I don't wanna get political. I just mad at so many other things that have gone on around all of this. But i just what the hell is happened to us. I felt like last night at least during the national anthem. I felt like there was a closeness again. Yeah i really did. And i and i really. I long for the days where we weren't at each other's throats for whatever. The reason may be a common enemy at that point. And it wasn't oss and now we are. We are fighting with one. Another as is basically amazing to me. Yeah i mean and you know the the mantra has been and always should be to never forget and the event and the lives that were lost. Never gonna forget but we have forgotten. I think collectively maybe not mean you. Maybe not are listening base but there have been a lot of people in this country that have forgotten about who we were right after those attacks which was a unified front as a nation. And i mean that was the only good thing to have come out of that. Was that where there was. You dropped all beliefs and we were on the same page. We're all we were. Yeah we were on the same team. We were americans. there was no at each other's throats. I'm not saying that you know. All disagreements or bad disagreements but it's gotten to the point now where we are so far away and we're so contentious and you don't want another big thing to happen for us to be able to get back on the scene. I think we're contentious because we do have a faction on each side. That is extreme in those extreme points of view are pushing You know most of us who are reasonable and practical. An independent thinkers Can you know make a decision about a certain thing and see it as a practical reason why to do something. As opposed to a political reason as to why do something and and a photo op and a picture is just is just so demeaning and so disheartening and just so infuriating as opposed to the real stuff that's going on and it's just because all because of politics so i i don't know i don't know what to tell you other than it last night. I i kind of felt a little bit of that. Come together moment especially through sports. You know not everybody's sports fan in the world. But i do know that back then if it weren't for the sports at least for those of us who are sports fans. I don't necessarily know that we could have gotten back. And i from the world series with the yankees in diamond bounds to the monday night. Football games that. I was doing to see how fans are reacting at every monday night game. In how proudly sung the national anthem and how to stall a tall they. They stood when they sang it and it was just such a collective of pride that was associated with us that you know dissipated over twenty years but you know you talk about that day. The people we lost still losing people the collateral damage of just the every day person that had lived down south of canal street and worked on rebuilding south of canal street down by the financial district. is still with us today. And that's why. John stewart went down to screaming roland to make those people understand bright. The effects of what the hell happened here. Twenty years ago right. I mean yeah. It happened twenty years ago. But they're they're suffering every single day for for the people vat ran towards the issue you know for for those people the heroes it and as you mentioned it's not just about you know putting your arm around a guy tweet now to picture about it and saying oh this is a here. No it's about really fighting for that person in their rights and making sure that we could do everything humanly possible. The offer those who have tried to keep us safe. And that's why john stewart i. I don't know where he stands politically. I'm sure we're somewhat opposed to certain things but that doesn't matter to this point. Yeah you know what he he was. He was amazing. You know Going down there because guy of his stature and his ability to speak and his ability to put it into words and make people understand that there are people still suffering is is what i think is heroic in. Its own right because he he feels that he obviously has personal connections to it. Just like i do. So i up and then when you juxtapose all of that. What happened on august. Twenty sixth this year where we lost thirteen servicemembers to a suicide bomber. And then you you juxtapose that to where we were twenty years ago and you say oh we any better off and do the people who are running this part of the country understand what the hell is happening. Are we any safer today than we were. Twenty years ago and i had the same sick feeling that day that i had back in two thousand and one because it just it was like a full circle jerk where now all of a sudden thirteen servicemembers lost their lives. When they didn't have to. I like and that's why i know you know like the last couple of weeks i've been like crazed about no i understand i you know many americans are and it's it's it's horrendous there's no there's no silver lining in losing those thirteen lives nothing at all and especially when you're talking about it you know right at this twentieth anniversary it hits it hits harder because not that there's any good time to lose lives of heroes like that but it's just it dredges up feelings outside of us especially those of us who were close to new york city at the time of the attacks twenty years ago you know people have to remember there were people jumping out of these buildings. Yeah there were people that were stuck in elevators one fireballs were coming down. There were people that were in the The foyer of these buildings when those fireballs came in. I mean the horrific nature of what happened to our loved ones and the fact that most of the guys were were polarized. And we still haven't found to me. O'brien yeah you know. And there was a report. Yesterday that they found remains of two others that were added to a list. And it's still only about a thousand. What fifty or forty eight people that they actually have remained the think about those families out there that have nothing but the memories and then the thoughts. I think the thing that bothers me the most out of all of this other than august twenty. Sixth is that those families that have to be reminded every single year and see the video of it every single year. Yeah i you know. I think about that every time that the images pop up on the screen and i don't now i didn't lose a close family member or friend like you had But those images still for me are just really really tough to watch. And i and i have this battle with myself. Sometimes i say know you got to watch it you have to because you don't want to forget about what happened. You want watching it and remembering in thinking about all the people who were lost. Ease important it on then. There's other times i say no. I don't wanna do that. Because i don't want to dredge up those feelings again because it makes me feel terrible to think about those who lost a husband a wife a daughter a son and seeing the building come down and say you know they were in there is a is a completely different experience that i see. I cannot even fathom you know. It's amazing that the nfl really number of the owners of the nfl one of the nfl to continue to play for two reasons. One i believe that they thought that the that the nation needed the nfl. To be playing Maybe there was another reason that had money tied to it. Who knows but the nfl players especially the jets and giants players did not want to play. There was no way the nfl players were going to play so they took that next week off. Major league baseball. everybody paused. Everybody had to take a step back and we all had to realize what in the world we are now getting ourselves into and and how we were going to react to that. So september twenty third. I was working for fox. The us ns comfort came to new york city and the reason that president bush sent that ship here was because they thought they were going to have so many injured people that the hospitals would be flooded with some very similar to home last year so the comfort came here and i remember fox telling me that i did not have to fly to la to do the show. That i was doing at the time. Because i had just gotten fired from monday night football on tv the year before. So now i was with fox doing monday night football on radio and they were saying you know if you want to stay home in new york. We know you lost a lot of friends. We know that you know you're probably needed there. They couldn't have been any kinder to me and they said look what will set you up at the military or the navy is going to allow you to do your part of the show from the comfort. If you'd wanna do that and i was like man. I would love to that. So i went down. I did the show that sunday. September twenty third on the comfort and remember kind of just like reporting as to what was going on what downtown looked like the what it felt like in person what it smelled like what it looked like when what it sounded like and i will never forget that that day and The kindness at least that fox showed me to be able to be a part of that reporting from a sports journalists. Not anything and somebody that was personally affected by it but we are twenty years later. And i've been down to the moral twice already. This week Timmy and his buddies or right on the kind of like the north corner. So i know exactly where they are and i can go. See them and My friend howard lut nick. Every year does a charity day. Where all the proceeds that they they. They raised This day will go to charities all across the globe. He's never forgotten. Those people took care of all those families and rebuilt his company after losing six hundred. Fifty eight employs. Why does quicksand worked so slowly question. Everything we did. It's how we created the all new hyundai tucson with available innovations like a huge ten and a quarter inch infotainment screen and digital technology. And you always get mondays complimentary maintenance for three years or thirty six thousand months test drive the twenty twenty two hyundai tucson at your nearest hyundai dealer or learn more at hyundai. Usa dot com. Call five six two three one four four six zero three for complete details. There's a lot of streaming services out there each filled with reality. Tv comedy comedy-drama. 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Squeak by the cowboys and i was sort of unkind to the cowboys leading up to the opener but they played well last night and quite frankly. The should've won the game. It wasn't for some bad special teams. It wasn't for you know issues with penalties and not converting on the opportunities after turnovers. I mean they really should have gone down there and beat them and even though the defense at times look like last year they really didn't. This was a much improved defense. Even though they ended up giving up over thirty points so we will see but jerry as a cowboy fan and one of the voices of the cowboys yet to be at least encourage would last night. Now dave played. Well they lost. Yeah i know but still nine and a half point underdog going into the game. The only person. I know that the cowboys was nate. Burleson on our show because we had to give our picture yesterday during our conference call and he took the cowboys. And you know look. I would've taken the cowboys in eight and a half that they were being offer. I think kickoff got up to nine it. Yes uh-huh couple buddy asking does what do you think about the cowboys nate. They take them yeah. That's that's a lot of points. This is one of the best offenses and football and we saw that. And you know the the bucks. How good are they well. Four turnovers eleven penalties. And he's still want. Yeah but in fairness i missed field. Goal to me is like a turnover too. Yeah just say tom. Brady's amazing you see like when he throws the ball noses is down and it is a tight spiral adak style couple. Those quakers you know but that that came back and he looked like the guy that we saw. Who's one of his james really. Well yeah. we're as shocked as i was at. Tom brady reached the end zone on that. Hail mary to at the end of the first half because i was like he's gonna make it down there. 'cause there's been a lot of talk about is i mean we know how accurate is when you're talking about twenty yards twenty five yards in in but i mean he hawked at bowl. Sixty five chris talking about they. They had been a practice watching. It couldn't believe how well he was throwing. Then they went through the whole thing about when he when he first started to where he is. Now the quick release how hard he's worked on that release and everything else. The other thing is i mean i. I know maniac and he said a lot of problems feel but man antonio brown still got it. That might be tom. Brady's greatest accomplishment is straining straightening straight dot. Nobody knows that he hasn't had any issues. This off season. He came back. He's healthy. news catching passes all over the place like it was two thousand fifteen again and whereas boom university the way yeah. I don't know in his crazy head but what he does so well and i think this is. What amari cooper does really well to the subtleties in the route. I see the one word tom. Steps up in the pocket. Wasn't i don't think that was called. I think both of them just saw what happened. And antonio slowing down touchdown. He took off and just a little subtleties. He did run a slug. Oh that's a little slant and go and that was unbelievable route and you could see how quickey still is but look man no yeah for real though in games now the good thing about them is that you know for for them anyway. At least this is like almost like a mini by for them. They got their game. They're going to get the next three days off. See you monday. And then then they get back into it all right jerry. When he got over there we are powered by super book. Now open with better odds and favorable prices brought to you by jack pocket. Play officials state lottery games on your phone. Here is how after the cowboys had taken the lead with a minute. Twenty four to go. Here's how it essentially ended in tampa. Last trainer will snap it then. We'll hold suck up from thirty six put down on the grass white footed kick is up in its co two. Go up taking the league fan. Yes cohen football they up. Yes no no no. No kevin harlan. Man oh i know i know. He connects from thirty six yards out and not yet thirty. One thousand nine. The bucks beat the cowboys the opener for the nfl season. Tom brady seventy nine yards. Passing four touchdown. A couple of picks though one was in the end zone on that hail mary. Here's brady so much better than last year season-opener with his new team last year sucked after the first game. Let me say that. I was come a long way from three hundred sixty five days ago. Yeah super bowl championship in his pocket. Already you were talking about antonio brown five catches buck. Twenty-one including the forty-seven yarder for a score victories off the you know about anniversary having some versity and being able to roddy bet to win sure did real watching. Mike parsons now. I think he's going to be a really good player but and his head was swimming. I there were times. Where they're running play action passes and he was like all out of position and guys were running wide open behind them. I mean. I can't imagine what tom brady does to a young aggressive linebacker like that. Yeah i mean. Look at them off. Just confusing him. At the line of scrimmage and you know sneaking. Football's passed him in a window. That judy even think existed into rob gronkowski's giant oven mitts. You're talking about the one catch over the middle. That was ridiculous. I mean. I know those guys looked like it was fifteen years ago i Museum playing this game ifo sleep. I think i missed like Quarter from where. When i fell asleep too when i woke up and watch the end of this. I didn't see tom brady hit. Did he get pressured him. A few times did he get hit now that he ever went to the ground except when he fell down and just kind of floated the ball to the right side. Yeah i but they did pressure him if he gets rid of. The ball is very quick. This is what daniel johns has got it. The damore is lawrence came very close on a on a an edge rush where he almost got the ball out and read the money on but in terms of knocking. I don't think so on the ground. So no i don't think so here was dak. Yep played well but we didn't win came up short. Bottom line asli We fought hard and way the end as team to plan. Yeah he threw for four hundred and three yards three touchdowns and one interception but not enough Game four maury. Cooper big game for cd-rom as well and the zeke elliott was mystery last night because they couldn't run the ball and really didn't try all too much so Seasons often running this sunday. You got the jets and carolina jerry jones from last night. Not that i've seen it yet. I'm sure he spoke of. Unfortunately there's way too much to get to this morning okay But i will certainly effort that saquon barkley. I guess expected to play because they say he's one hundred percent. That's how it goes. Steelers and bills on sunday pittsburgh with good news. Assign t. j. watt to a four year contract hundred and twelve million dollars. Eighty million to be guaranteed and i read the one story that said he went against his agents wishes. He said. I want this deal. It's enough went into the office himself and said let's do it. He said to mr rooney. Let's do it. He signed his contract. He goes. I gotta go. I gotta go down to work out. that's it. i mean. I love that. I love what he did and he said he got enough money and he's happy with it and he doesn't want to be anywhere but pittsburgh and hopefully this is one of those players at signs one of those contracts and lives up to it. Yeah and how many towns of like the sins of the world these contracts say that and then a year later they're unhappy and they went out and the steelers don't normally give that much guaranteed money they evolve. They changed their philosophy and they did it for the right guy plus plus he wanted four years and they came down to four years. You know what i mean. So more dough he he. They wanted five years and he wanted for years and they came to him at four years and they got done so he could have probably gotten a little bit more money but at the end of the day you got the big guarantee got the four year contract. And i guess he'll be. What thirty three when it becomes another free agent and he may be able to sign a two or three year deal with another team hopefully not hopefully stays there and ends his career there. Ravens raiders. monday night more bad news for baltimore. They are really being hit bad by the injury bug. They lost both gus edwards and marcus peters during practice yesterday and reports say they both suffered season ending. Acl injury so they looks like they're gonna sign devante freeman air already. Signed le le vian bell and and they're probably gonna sign latavius murray. Who was cut by the saints and he wanted or they wanted him to take a Pay and he said. No so. I i would. I would about if you thought like four years ago. You're going to have the freemen. Well it'd be. I'm bell and latavius marine your backfield. You've been pretty happy with them but right now to scrap heap guys. We're talking scrap they are scrappy. Got up i mean they. Didn't they brought in devante freeman and levy on bell and decided to sign bell over freeman and then they had no choice but to bring freeman back because they lost more guys. Eleven bell may play this week. I mean he's a black yankees blue jays last night about the yankees might snap this losing streak. Thought they wouldn't get swept. Well think again on and enter the to right. Saturday's high that is far has gone over the auxiliary scoreboard in right center on another home. Run for vladi. The home run or guerrero now is forty second. Shots actually hit the bad french. Andhra haney at this point Me goes in the ninth. Inning gives up a couple of runs four hits including the home run. They lose six four. It was fourteen when he went in the yankees. Did get a couple of home runs in the ninth inning. But not enough as they fall yet again. First time team never trailed while sweeping the yankees over four games in new york since they were called the highlanders back in nineteen. Oh eight how yes. I mean this morning. That jerry i am yes that yeah right so you finally along with me now that this is not the yankees year. Wait a second six straight losses in ten of twelve after that. Thirteen game winning streak. Aaron judge how do you do this salt. They have a better answer than you know baseball. That's not a great answer. Here's aaron boone Do you feel like you're playoff. Chances are slipped slide no way no no absolutely not i mean we just had a horrible homestand. It's not it's not okay. No it's not okay And then in terms of haney again you feel bad for him. He was asked pointblank. Can you afford to keep running them out there. Yeah we have to. we have to. we have to. There's going to be days. We gotta get something at everyone. Eric main your your cover us every day You know what we've been up against this week. They have when they're hurting. Yeah they don't have anybody hitch now one of the good things that has come up with that whole bullpen chart that they have and they put it up there and they show you how much each guy has been working this really cool kind of graphic that helps you understand exactly what the managers dealing with combated chapman. Terrible britain is out. Lewanika is out and your trotting out a lot of these schlub every night against a team. That's that's can mash and we suck right now. Yeah and then you find out the tyrone who hasn't been great desire but he's been serviceable. Starting arm is these now. On the i l. They're they're running at a gas tearing his tendon his right ankle so and now that's what they have is they go into the subway series having lost so you got toronto's one eight straight yerkes a now lost six straight and ten of twelve and so when you look at the standings yankees blue jays red sox all even in the loss column now so not good for the yanks. as for the mets. This was a another mess for them. They got two to nothing. Lead on the marlins you had. Marcus stroman pitching. Well he gives up a ron fine. Then you go brad hand ball. It's a little dribble toward the mound. Hand up with it. Fires the first awry it goes into right field onto score is and that tied. The game coleman on wcbs eight eighty. I have to say this. So i would left stroman. I agree. trauma was fighting in. Say whatever you want i mean. He is been the one constant for the pitching staff and he was fighting his ass off. So they bring in hand. Did you see his two pitches. Wipe me laughing. Watch this guy and how he pitches and what he looks like in a uniform is a professional closer who has had success in his career. He puts on the mets uniform. And that's what's going on. I i laughed out loud and keith hernandez his reaction was if cbs sports network sports network has it or not but his two pitches about the plop at the throw to first base service but the fact that mccain got up mccann's back there like what in the hell is going through the third. Yes i know. It's pretty funny. And this i mean i i'm telling you i am laughing out loud watching us and who better to snap the chisholm. It's alive fly ball right field. It's deep and it is long gone into the second deck jazz. Chechen arlit yes. It went deep. And and i really wanted hand to give up the homerun ageism because that would have really tie junior familiar. Plenty just played the clip brad. Heller has used to feet on. That chas gypsum junior home run. Did it again just cast. Yes jazz chisholm. Boy did it again. Four hundred feet. On that chas gypsum junior homerun chaz gypsum junior. He's just not jazz. Jazz right scores. Change his name to peter. My favorite things has gone on the last couple of years. Ponti says chisel jazz djezon sterling eller. Any- see that was funny. Of course it was him now. of course i'm out. Of course of course. Of course he did. Al marcus stroman. As we mentioned the one run for it seven strikeouts over six and a third havi bio two for four a double a home run couple of stolen bases but not enough. So the mid seventy and seventy wants here. We go with the subway series tonight at city field jordan. Montgomery tyler mcgill on the fan at six thirty. Do we have time for luistro. Haas i did. I did hear this. And i'll give you just a couple of fully on evans side with all of this prior to the game yesterday. Evan had certain questions as you can imagine. And so i they welcome him in. And mr oho says i'm doing well guys how're you. I'll give you an honest answer. I'm not good to thank you for asking. I appreciate you know. Wanna be honest about it. I'm terrible you wake up this morning and say to yourself. You know what i was thinking about. This happens to me all the time. I wake up the next morning. I was like boy. I screwed this up. I don't know why. I said that to my wife wanted i do that did you. Wake up this morning and say to yourself. Why the hell did i let brian delacruz beat us. Of course not all right. So that's the start. Move up a couple of moments. Evan was annoyed with that. Move for the open base and not walking the batter and then you get to the fact that he pinched masika yup instead of jd davis and they take him out for mcken whatever. And here's evan annoyed with that. I get the righty righty thing. But jd davis is significantly better than patrick. Musique is so. I respect everything you just said not even disagreeing with the whole righty stuff but one is a lot better than the other guy. What i'm saying. No no i explain myself on yourself. Okay yeah. I'm not arguing all right. Go ahead craig. Listen what do you want me to tell you. Now we talk about digital this video that faa put out there. I think is top sixty thousand right. Good evan taken. The pit bull. Evan roberts take children's reminds me with mike and chris back in the day. Yeah friday yes. I agree argue back and forth. And we should edit that where it sounds like evidencing bitch. Shut your mouth to louise rose. That'd be great bet video. Get one hundred thousand that. Would that would be unfair to evan. But it would be funny. I will say though evan. I'm with him because he's a fan. You know i'm a fan too but they're coming on and i know they're paid to come on there has to be a little decorum. Do you not think so or not. I don't think it was that bad. I really didn't i. I'll tweet out. Evans treating you know louis. House like a bleep bleep. But and that's why you liked it. I guess now i do. I like it. I like the segments but it's somewhat disrespectful they that don't that open and the way did it. Last week was or two weeks ago. They hit my fastball. Able to hit in batting practice. I it's just. I do she. It is and i know he's got to do. He's got a fan base and he's got it's kind of a balancing act. Yeah but this is the perfect guy to do this too because he's not gonna be here next year but this but this chill part of it. It's it's he is a first time manager and they gave him this year because they didn't want to go by what they saw last year and a team is not performing up to the expectations and standards that we were told they were going to and this is a novice manager. That has to answer these ridiculous questions. Even though they're not particularly point his answers are not good. That's the problem we say novice manager. I mean he's been around a game since he was a baby. Ever the press story. We're paying attention at this level. People don't pay attention to the. When i say peop- i mean fans. There are some minor league baseball enough to answer questions. Better than that. I would hope but maybe not in the problem with this team to is a some of his moves have not been good but be like last night. Alonzo the leadoff triple. They can't drive them in from third. Nobody out and you just need a familiar to give up the you know. Of course a ron chisholm. Said it right. He pulled them chisholm. Yes i call them chisholm and just quickly because this is pretty wild nineteen year old. Layla fernandez advanced to the women's final at the. Us open where she will play eighteen year. Old emma redac- new enough. I'm saying that right. She's from britain. She was a qualifier. So that's your. Us women's open final. There's no drama with this right. I mean he's girls are okay. Everybody's get along you know. I think he really cool to teenagers. Cy young the men's side yeah rated women's final in green and the tennis fans are really into two young stars unknowns and the other thing to us t positive inside near you go off to the bathroom for eight minutes in a cell phone and everything else. You got all this drama. My man teapots. Oh he's out. I love goodbye All right very good now. Goodbye goodbye why does quicksand worked so slowly question everything we did. 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Probably with their young defense and secondary that is very inexperienced probably given up over forty points to either one of those teams easily. I can't now before. The giants have played a game on been so bullish on the giants. Completely backtrack after watching the bucks in the cowboys. I think the giants defense is going to be pretty good but the cowboys impressed me. Last night. they stink. Looks so i was. I was thinking that you know for quarterbacks who play in the game you have a forty four year old quarterback who's been through everything and you could see that when the game is on the line at the end of the game if you give them enough time just like joe montana right down the field and for dak prescott going into that environment. Celebrating a super bowl fans are finally back. The heat the intensity of the bucks defensive line and missing one of their best offense limit. He stood tall in that game. And that's what zach wilson and trevor lawrence and mack jones and trae lance and justin field. Or all gonna have to learn to deal with and how the emotions of the game go back and forth in the and the different levels of emotions that go back and and how just you as as the opposing quarterback especially on the road you gotta deal with. All this crap and tom brady has gotten to a point in his career where it's were taking it for granted i think because he is so consistently good and we're not surprised by anything that he's doing. I really do believe that we're taking this for granted. He's forty four years old and is still one of the best players at his position in the sport just came off a super bowl championship. Looks as young and cure any surgery as he's ever looked in week one. I know he had a couple issues last year. And you know they were seven and five at one point. It didn't look good. There's a couple of games didn't look good in. That may happen again. But i mean it's funny because there's so much of an inundation of hot take away that happens in this industry that sometimes we stay away from it because it sounds like we're talking like it's I take or whatever. But honestly tom brady is far away. Well sometimes i. I mean i try to stay away from like these big declarative stephen smith statement. Sometimes because it just sounds like a terrible debate show on espn but you made a statement the other day that. You're not watching medicine marcus. But that's not but but don't those guys would never say something like that like ever like a totally different situation. Oh put no when it comes to like players. And who's the best but tom brady is but we're never going to see anything like this ever again. I truly believe that. You don't think patrick mahomes four years old absolutely not no. I think that the way he treats his body the discipline that he has is unlike any other athlete. Were ever going to forty four years old and doing this. He's the best player in any sport. That i have ever seen in my lifetime. And it's not going to be matched see so for daniel jones. Zack wilson players. Like that. you know this is the guy that you want to emulate you know. He doesn't run around all over the place and rely on his athleticism to get him through although he is a great athlete. What he what he relies on is his smarts his understanding his instincts and then he takes care of his body and he works diligently in the off season to make sure that his throwing Of the football is good today as it was fifteen years ago for these guys examining coffees in the control room here like there's some sort of code crack the two of them look. We're just wondering which one was for me. Did you and i get the same. You get saying okay. All asked an answer. You'll have our usual situations. I know it. I'm so distracting august moss. Algae looking at the cup like this. He's staring at. It is if there's like some sort of code like some sort of jack pocket app code there. He's gonna win. The mega millions is this. That eddie comes over. And he's pointing at is that the vanilla. Triple the home memphis. The from is there. The one's mind the extension into cream in the pixie dust. Please yes thank you al. I appreciate there's my cold brew very good. Oh thank you our. It really is amazing. When one part of our operation drops off we do not do well especially when it's allie. Do not do well. We very confused. We're confused group okay. but it was When i when i see also last night it just goes to show you how valuable wide receivers now are and i just. We had a an explosion of offense last night Points yards wide receivers involved. Quarterbacks throwing the ball down the field We're going to see you know. And the offense is we were talking about. Yesterday has been trending upward over last five or six years. That cd lamb is going to be a problem for a long time. He is really good and he's looks. Okay hooper go. Yeah but he's been around for a while we know and he had his issues. Drops in with the raiders but cd lamb is just scratching the surface catch. You had against the vikings. Yeah so like me. The air he was twisting himself and somehow caught the ball in the end zone and that was last year. He's going to get even better in the beginning of this game. You know Dak had him wide open and under through them and then on the next play he drop one. Yeah it was a bad start. But i'm just talking about i'm talking. I test boomer. That's what i'm talking. You see that guy. He just stands out. He's just one of those athletes one of those guys you could just tell it's going to dominate and michael gallup. By the way is a guy gets lost in the shuffle. He's gotta be at some point. He's got to be a free agent. There's no way they're going to be able to keep them and someone's going to bring him in as their first wide receiver second wide receiver on a female. Kenny golladay. Well yeah but golly was at one point was was playing like their number one receiver there. But that's what i'm saying though. It's going to be like that for another team. Yeah that'd be a need of a wide receiver. Yeah but i mean if you think about michael gal. Totally lost in the shuffle. I mean you you. You don't think about him as much because you've got obviously. Cd lamb and amari cooper zekiye elliott dak prescott in a tight ends. And like here's gallup. Who's like as talented as those guys. I just wonder about seventeen game season and whether or not these guys can stay healthy all the way through well of course not as what it comes down to. Of course not. There's going to be injuries all over the place. It's the nfl. Today's it's availability. 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1603: How to Build a Thick & Wide Back, the Best Mobility Exercises to Improve Your Low Bar Squat, the Pros & Cons of Opening a Gym & More

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1603: How to Build a Thick & Wide Back, the Best Mobility Exercises to Improve Your Low Bar Squat, the Pros & Cons of Opening a Gym & More

"If you want pump your body and expand your mind. He's only one place to go up with your hosts sal distefano adam schaeffer unjust andrews. You just found the world's number one fitness health and entertainment podcast you. This is mine pump right in today's episode. We answered some fitness and health questions but the way we opened the episodes with an intro so we talk about current events. Talk about scientific studies. We have fun conversations. That's the fun part of this episode on. Today's intro was forty seven minutes after that. We got to the fitness question. So here's what went down in. Today's podcast we open up by talking about andrew's workout. Andrew is the guy behind the scenes that it's our youtube videos in puts them together. He had a crazy hard workout. And then there was a surprise at the end of the episode find out. What price was sal then. We talked about studies. Showing protein intake in the morning might be better for muscle growth than protein intake at night which led us to talk about one of our sponsors magic spoons. So you remember that sugary cereal ate as a kid. the really good tasting bad for you. Cereals fruit loops. That's like magic spoon. Except it's not bad for you magic spoon. It has no sugar and it's high in very high quality protein so now you can get high protein in the morning without sugar and it reminds me of being a child watching your saturday morning cartoons. Good times go check them out and get a discount because you listen to mine pump so head over to magic spoon dot com forward slash mind. Pump use the code mine pump. And you'll get five dollars off your purchase. Then we talked about your face and sex believe not women can predict with pretty good accuracy if a guy is down for casual sex by his face every time. It's pretty wild. Then we doubt then. We talked about peleton the company's going into the video game market. So we made some speculations there then. We talked about justin floating in the ocean. And how we also is wearing viewer rash guards to cover up his skin to Fat jokes by the way. Fury makes incredible leisurewear including the rash guard including new pants called meta joggers. That adam wearing right now they look really damn good most things on atom but these look really really good go. Check out fury. They've got great stuff. Great customer service and you get a discount because you listen to mine pump so head over to fury clothing dot com. That's vu clothing dot com forward slash mind pump. You'll get twenty percent off your first order. Then we talked about universal basic income. The brings to california. Is it a good idea. Is that a bad idea. We give our opinions Then we talked about legna bloom. This is the sports illustrated cover model with the surprise surprise in there. We talk about About that and we make our reveal speculations. Then we get to the fitness questions. So here's the first one. The first question is is there a different way to train for wide lattes verses thick lattes okay so this is like the length versus with a question. A lot of men get sick. You get that you get what. I'm going to only then. Then we talked about one of the best mobility exercises for low bar. Squats squad low bar. Maximum weight with a mobility exercises. That can help you by the way. If you wanna learn mobility exercises head over to maps. Prime webinar dot com. It's a free mobility course that we give away to everybody's go check it out the next question. This person's been working out for a while under the influence of marijuana so they like to get high and then lift. They wanna know if that's bad or good. It's definitely fun but we don't know if it's good or bad then the final question. This person wants to know what tips. We have for aspiring entrepreneurs who want open a gym. So we give our opinion. They're also all month. Long maps hit in the no six pack formula. Both programs are fifty percent off so it's a huge promotion. Go check out or just. Go sign up. Maps fitness products dot com. Just use the code. July special with no space for that discount. I was walking in from the bathroom this morning and saw andrew kinda throw you have no idea kind of eric. He's in hiding dude. He's like undercover. So i'm working out this morning right. Come in this morning's like seven or six forty five and i'm getting all setup he comes in we do the head nod. I think he's here to do some work or something puts on his headphones and starts lifting and andrews beast a. What are you listening to rap music. You must have been an okay workout. no honey. Hey no he was good pens slap. His form is impeccable. Like perfect made me very self conscious of my form strong. He's strong dude. He was doing dads with three plates and all kinds of stuff. And it's doing good little pump over there on I feel like you. You might have been Going hard and he might have been tried. Keep up with you. Because i don't know i went into the bathroom bit later and was hearing some noises. Why would happen a little bit of reaching gun. Andruzzi throw on trying to keep up with sal pushing a little on the sled drives Where you actually up ask larry brutal did you go to. Did you go to hard. Or what like what happened. Just pushing of finding just wanted to go all backs for senate. Okay do not work out. Hard-luck normally i saw has an affect. I don't push that on. Ledger is having their sow. Made me made me push the extra level. Large abuse your shoes. It's something about the white beer. Gets you all motivated or what. no it was just. It was just the environment crazy. It got and i wasn't even doing a hard workout stupid. I was going this guy. Low downplays everything. I just had the bar. That's crazy sometimes. that'll i'll start to feel nauseous if i work hard and i had too much caffeine. That'll that'll definitely do that. To me. sometimes right feel kinda like oh a little bit too much so be careful with that but nonetheless the workout. I like seeing that. You know what i mean. I like seeing when our team comes in and works out encourage everybody to workout in here. It's nice to see everybody doing that. Yeah i feel this. Year has been the most consistent with a staff. You've around and see everybody training and stuff like that. I think that this is the most consistent. I've seen the gym being. Yes have you seen so choke. He's a beast. I've seen her workout. She strong yeah. We have intern olivia. She's strong as hell. She was telling me kind of what she by the way guys. Now the interns that our favorite you know that. Check her like yeah. I'm gonna ask her like individually. I think mean. Adam should do this and just ask her. Okay like well lake if i asked her specifically. Who's your favorite close. We'll see we'll see if she says she says ataman. Yeah well you know what speaking of morning workouts and all that stuff so interesting study out right so there was a study that came out that actually been several studies but this one kind of put them all together were they were looking at protein timing throughout the day to see if it's effect on muscle function and growth and like what time of day that you consume. Yeah your total amount or just white. So let's say your total amount for the day is one hundred grams. It would if you eat fifty in the morning and the rest later on. Or what if it's a little bit in the morning and then more later on so basically essentially the same amount of protein but more in the morning versus morton i or vice versa. What's the difference. Do the studies talk about what point you work out and does that matter at all. No i didn't talk about workouts. I in fact there was one study. They did on on older women. There were sixty five generally sixty five years that was the average age and they controlled for protein but some of the women ate more of the protein in the morning and some of the women ate more at night. The women who ate more of the protein in the morning had better muscle function and muscle health now this collaborates with other studies that have shown on rats. Where if they in rat studies are kind of cool part of. It's not cool right. 'cause sometimes they don't translate but the other part that's cool is that they can control everything because the rat does you just. You're the one that feed it feeds it so and what they show. Is that the rats with the protein early in the morning have more muscle than the rats that eat more protein in the evening so morning. Feedings now this a small effect but still there so it is kind of interesting. I feel like a all that gets thrown out the window depending on what time you workout. 'cause i would think that would have the the biggest difference on on how the protein is utilized right so if somebody who trains early in the morning than each protein versus somebody who trains in the afternoon or evening and then easter protein. After wouldn't wouldn't it be more logical that that would be that would have a bigger indicator. No the the the studies that i've seen on that really. Just show that having some protein post workout but other than that it otherwise. It doesn't make a big difference. I thought you should share this magic spoon. And the that'd be like a great commercial pitch for them actually. It's a great point in the morning. Serial typically cereal in the morning and it's super high protein serial. No sugar juicy. They've made their way. Now in the bodybuilding space. Remember when we first partnered up. Yeah yeah. I've seen now. Actually i see a ton of like you know influencers. That are in the the bodybuilding matter at time. I thought that was the area. They should've went i. I think they really try to go more health and wellness. Like i mean we introduced through max max louviere. Who's the health guy from about magic spoon. When i thought man. This is a bodybuilding type of product more than anything else. They're making hard push that direction. But i do think it's interesting right to eat more of that in the morning. Now here's some each other stuff. Is that when you look at studies on like hormone responses people with things for example They also recommend high protein breakfast. Low carb breakfast higher protein in the morning later on the day. Then you can lower pro. You tend to feel better throughout the do you guys feel that. Way with your. Have you guys met slow. Yeah we've talked about this about when we were kids. You know the idea of pancakes syrup. Oh often go take a test. And then you're loading all wrong like i'm asking all the carbs and then that's gonna fuel my activities The rest of the day. Yeah do surveys bonk. I feel. I don't know there's so i'm torn right like i think generally speaking i feel better low carb higher protein in early in the morning. But if i know i'm going to be training around noon or one i actually liked to have at least one if not two meals that have a good amount of thirty fifty grams of carbs or heading into so i'd like to have one hundred grams. One hundred fifty grams of carbs in my system. Before i hit my afternoon workout. And i feel like i perform better as far as overall health. You know mclarty that type of stuff. I i feel better on so much sharper. I'm just sticking with protein in the morning and coffees specifically versus carbs. And that's just personally lake. I just feel like if i'm more in that Kito says sort of state than you know i'm lot sharper. Yeah we guys no. I work early cited workout facet. But then afterwards i'll typically eat some protein. I've tried to piece this together with like evolution. Why would this. Why would we build more muscle with protein in the morning. Why would we because other studies show eating calories earlier in the day tends to be better than eating calories later in the day in terms of health and the best i can come up with is like when we hunted and we would eat a lot of protein. We probably weren't killing animals after the sun went down. I think it's probably hiding because we're really bad in the evenings theory that you get you really think we were out hunting at four o'clock in the morning clock but in the morning when the sun is up like you were terrible in the evening. We're blind and predators see very easily. I bet you yeah. I don't think we're hunting at ten. Pm at night back then. No i think it would be like sunup. That's when we're hunting. And then we catch the animal. Eventually son is still up. We bring it back and then we eat it and then the sun goes down. It's like getting the cave and let's hide because now the tigers and whatever. That's what i would think right behind that i can't always bringing it back evolution. Just sharing your evolutionary theory on the whole wide. Why men can't find shit in the frigerator. I think that one's fast. Actually the because i don't know a single man that cannot relate to this. I just had jerry fighting. Shit we just right out of the The serum right my serum. And i and i was like damn it. I know we had some the back right. And i went back yesterday and i looked on the shelves but i did. The typical like man look like just looked at it and go like. Oh it's not there you know. And she goes out. It's there it's on the second shelf right there as she comes over with her and she's like moves wonder fingers point one box over there. How many times have you done that with your wife. Think in the in the frigerator we're outta muster. No their mozart. I've been looking for and that she walks down and moves one product and they're pissed off but south theory you tell what how our hunters you're looking at the horizon you don't want to disturb anything just looking and there's no movement so you're like there's nothing the gatherers women are really. They're moving shit. They're like creative. Find the the roots we detect movement. I feel like more effectively. We're supposed to have you to your fridge in a fucking rabbit ran across. You would definitely see mad but other than that. You're not finding anything that's inside there okay. I know it's like our skills are gone because we don't have the hunch anymore we can't really show your skills so instead we're like. Where's the mustard. I can't find the down muster so More cool of evolutionary studies. So they did this. This past were. They got women based off of pictures of faces to predict whether or not the men in the pictures were more likely to engage in casual sex versus less likely to engage in casual sex and then they did the same thing with men could they predict by a woman's face if she was more likely or less likely. What apple wow good would that be. That'd be a young. Could imagine when i predict that zhai only show me. Those is that's the casual. You're strong well. i well. I saw those is. That's why i'm that's what she this is. You look like right before she said guys always think that women are. Naturally that's are pro is. She says she doesn't. She likes me. She told me wanna bang. How do you know 'cause she told me to move out of the way and just tell just like receptiveness so the man could not predict with any accuracy okay but the women could predict with something like eighty percent accuracy because eighty percents of guys would know. What's the all. Is chris rock. Who does the thing like a guy if a guy is doing any gesture and he's also offering dick the opens the door for you. It's like hey here's the door and do my also. Would you like my dick at this. Have you ever seen that. That's a. that's a stand up clip. I think it's chris rock. Who does that one andrew at the look that up who's Who's a comedian. He goes on no no no so so it was more or less likely and the women were able to predict by facial features and then the facial features include things like big is big nose long face like facial features that are associated with a higher forehead. I think they'll associated with higher levels. Dostram so testosterone is what influences that behavior more testosterone especially in utero is correlated to more likelihood to engage in things like casual sex so because of the the face of the man and it displays the testosterone subconsciously. There like they could predict. But i what you said was hilarious. There's an app. Do you imagine that. I'm not going to approach her picture of your man in this app. It'll you. I think i could probably predict you know based on just the face alone whether or not you'd be susceptible to join colts. I was. There's something about the leader's do have like a cult face. Yeah we'll the cost but also the followers they just had is like real like like like deer in the headlights. Kind of like in. This is just like softness in like you know rosy-cheeked pre accurate the same people that are in. Mlm's with the correlation. I i feel like i'd be pretty accurate with that. They do all kind of the same. I think you're right on that. Hey i have a question for you guys. Have you guys been following I know we sold last year. We sold off our peleton stocks. Have you guys been following Peleton look at them right now. Remember they had the they had the major like The the one or two deaths that happened right so that that happened fallen off the treadmill or whatever and then the stock took a dive. I mean they were. I think one eighty or something like no no bad so bad their peak back in december one hundred sixty but right now one eighty. I don't see it last year at least but the but the today there at one hundred twenty three so they're kind of hovering around that you know what stock did you hear the news of the day. They just came out so they're gonna move into the video game market. Well you gotta ride the game. Keep the ride the bike to keep. Maybe so you've knows before those those I know the bay club has one where you have. There's three bikes unless we're virtually racing Have you seen those a- it's actually a lot for non cario guys. I have a lot of fun when i do those. I think it's a blast. You get a buddy or years and then you guys race through courses and you're doing it virtually but you're actually doing it manually. An in person so you know what the problem with. That is every time they do that with video games to try and make it more fun people they use it at first and they stopped using it. Because it's hard well that's necessarily true dance dance. Revolution is an example of that. I mean that's like one of the most like crazy popular games that have you seen how people play dance. Dance revolution good. I went down and do bro. They lean on the bar and with their new in the easiest way possible. You the guy. The guy who. I met remember when i met the guy Organic organic guitar. He lost over one hundred pounds doing it. And he's like the dance revolution champions. Oh yeah they don't get drew to clip over them. Because i had a clip in like my old phone. When i went down there and i wash them. But he's like he did it in front of me. It was just and you're right he cheats. He's still sweating his ass off. I mean it's not like it's not exercise. it's definitely i think there's something there that You for people that aren't like prone to go into a gym. I i just think there is such a big population of people that would never do physical activity. And i think that might be an introduction to something we're like. oh well at least. I'm going to video game trying to like how about this. How about the fact that after you know mom rides at five. Am for a half hour. It sits there all day long but now you know little. Timmy can come in and play video games on it I mean now it's been. He wants to play video games. As you're going to pick the peleton and if it's necessarily going to be like. I don't know all they said as they are moving into the video game market. I think he'd be pretty naive of them to only make bike riding games out of it. I mean you could just use the monitor for a game gaming. So maybe some of the games include the pedals instead of that may be others. Come with a controller that you play it like that would be roy. It wouldn't be that much more difficult to make it. Connect with monitor off. The bike swivel. It around because peleton's moved into like weight training also so you they have now parts where you can wait train and then you can turn it around with your little weight set and follow your your interesting. I mean if it is successful you might see that really kind of blast in all over the industry video found on trying to cast it up here. It's not casting but it's called lane break and what it does it. Prompts users to change their cadence and resistance to meet various goals into control and onscreen rolling wheel. Okay so it's so it's interesting with the okay so that's where repel ok. Okay so i wonder if peleton already does this do you. Guys know if they organize like big marathons or big races were people can sign up virtually and compete out imagine. Should i know that what the way my friends use it. Because i have quite a few friends that have won four friends that have peleton and they all they all meet up all the time. So it's like you know they meet each other at six. Am now that makes sense with when your heating up with friends. That makes a lot of sense. I think that's how does it like real competitive where they actually will. They're out you know in the. Gps track like their runs. And then somebody else comes in and tries to beat their time and all that so. I'm sure they could use that same kind of formula. Were you guys with twenty four hour fitness when they did the triathlon competitions. Let's remember swam and ran shared. The story of that was when. I've kind figured out that i was naturally good at swimming. Never been coached never really doing treks. You you could've been so. You'd probably could have been like at that time when i did this. Competition like meat headed out thirty five. No cardio guy like just eating everything inside just puffy face and i get into a pool and i beat the ironman guy in the navy seal dude and everybody was like dan hill. Fast the pool. And i'm like i. I was trunks not even gauge of how fast it was was beating like my little sister in the pool. Know what. I'm saying. So when i was growing up swimming i didn't go. I never got into racing. Never was an olympic pool and race. And then the other time was with you guys When i race those guys at bay one. And i lost and then i was like all discouraged. Those takashumia close. They're like d. one uncompetitive. They d one guy's arizona state. That were that were swimmers. And i was like okay. It's a little better about losing to those two guys right. So does that make you sad. You're such an athlete zinc in the sport. You could been great. I devastated over. That fact that i have no training whatsoever and that and then i had the ability to get in there and just hang tells me that if i were to apply myself like everything else that i've gone after in my life i would think i would improve so i mean i can't imagine what and when you think about i mean my body is literally. I have this tiny little ways. I have narrow thin legs. I've got a wide back really long long banned. Yeah i mean you say dub. But i didn't learn all that stuff until i was twenty. Something years old and a personal trainer is because swimming just wasn't the cool sport so you know it's like we're i grew up in rural towns so you'll have pulled. Yeah it was like soccer was the option. That was about the one of the few sports that i couldn't even play basketball so i moved to a little bit. Bigger town were basketball. The they had enough kids. That could play basketball so they definitely didn't have a pool and my junior high or elementary school. That i grew up in. Wow i didn't find out till way later. How terrible that swimming swim like a raw deal. That's why likes. The hawaii was because i don't know if it's just because it's so salty the ocean like i was like floating. Yeah i never flew high body for that at the flick. Thirty percent body fat. I mean he's the salt salt. Lifted me up. I'm saying that is ultimate fuck off. Hey speaking of salt and water have you guys. Do you guys know anybody. That's ever been to like the dead's is it. The dead sea. that's alone. It's like full of super super salty so i had an aunt that went outside. You saw anybody who admitted okay. So it's super so. I don't know how much more reason why there's more salt there than there is somewhere else. I don't know what the reason is. But i know there's so much that there's no life in like it's so salty that it's it's dead sea right right so i had an as a true story if you go out there in you you'll float on top of the water. It just two hundred eighty parts per thousand. So that's eight times saltier average. Okay so all times more salt than i guess. The ocean okay. You don't want to get in your whole so i had. Is this from last night or you know. I thought that comes to my so. My aunt went there with my uncle and she floated and couldn't get her feedback that she was stuck. She was literally stuck floating that much. That's how much you had to go out there and walk very carefully. Because if this feet went up he would have got stuck to and then he kind of pulled guess. It makes sense because the only time that i felt something to compare that to was when we do the salt baths. Oh yeah we know. The flow tank. Ticks flotilla lot. Let's compare so that was two hundred eighty parts. Let's see what the flow tankers. Because you do you like on the top. Yeah and you couldn't see you. I mean you have to like force your legs down arm down to touch the true. I remember that well. 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From by the way they have poncho pontoh not pronto. Like your name though. Come on you know the fact that i was that close. I think it's pretty good. Yeah the main the main the meta meta pants are the pants that i'm wearing right now that i liked. So they're they've now. Become my favorite of the sunday joggers. They're like just a like a lighter. There have kind of a stretch material to them. Real light weight breathable. I saw them in hawaii. When i was there was like a little shopping center that i went to to find because my son needed pair. Another bathing suit So we went to the shopping center and these are like small hawaii shops. And i saw yori at several of them that they're they're exploding. Yeah yeah that's that's such a success story of a business especially during Kovic they did very very well listed testament to their their quality in customer. So i have something that i want to ask you about since the Yeah it's more your your wheelhouse. I think of topic. But i saw just. I read an article this morning. That california is going to be the first state to implement the universal income I think it's five hundred two thousand dollars. I want to say per family. And i don't know how this is based on income though right there knocking horse. Yeah if you're under a certain if you make under a certain amount per household you will now start receiving a and i and i also think if it matters if you have kids or not so. I don't know the exact specs of like but it's universal basic income right out the ub. I is that what's called. The is the and it's a andrew yang as one of the guys use of in. Who's been champing at for a while. Now i know that was. He was trying to run on. His presidential campaign was trying to run on this right What is your thoughts on. This is that they re by the way too. they've done. They did a test run of this in oakland for the last two years and in oakland I want to say they did document fat. Check me. I think they did. Like three hundred and some people you had obviously qualify for this and supposedly They had a lot of success. Now they're measure. They measure kissing the way they measured. It was like people How much money they saved or where they spent the money and so what they got back because the theory was will these people just go blah blow it on alcohol or just spend it on on worthless things right But the people that you know responded that received it the things that they did with it. Were oh i was able to get my son. You know his cleats for his football You and so the the response that they got from. This was very very positive now. Is that a true measure of 'cause the people that are skeptical of it are saying that that's not enough to prove that it was success. No that's so the challenge samples like that is that you can You can monitor them and they know they're a part of a test and you're watching them. You know three hundred people right. Yeah when you start to really expand it then it then you start to wrench problems. Here's the the issue with Upi the issue is if it's in replace of the bureaucracy that we have that's used to administer our current you know welfare not an additional two right so it's just more just more more throwing more money at a problem. That money's not fixing what they should do is eliminate the for every dollar. Here's the thing that people don't realize for every dollar that we pay in taxes that goes to helping people with housing or money for food or education or whatever for every dollar we put in the person only receives something like you know half of it or less because a huge percentage of it goes to the administrative costs and bureaucracy. There are so many state local and federal employees and bureaucracy. That is tied up the garbage so it would make sense to cut that which now saves a ton of money. Yeah but if people the money straight up as a shaggy because yeah some people probably spend it poorly but some may spend. Do you know if because i didn't follow the presidential race that much. And i don't know i've only listen to andrew yang. Talk a few times about this. I haven't heard great deal. Now is the idea that they roll it out. They prove that it's valuable and it works well and then start to take away from welfare or do you think the the ultimate goal is to to keep them both running. You think of it politically okay. You have first off. You have a governor who's getting ready to get recalled. Yes last fear tactic. Yeah so he's given shit away like less than right and and can you give people free stuff and then take it away later. A good luck doing that and staying in office. I don't think so now. Because then the argument becomes these people are depending on. How are you gonna take this away. I it's just more california. Bowl is bleeding Residents for the first time in history. We've got a lot of problems happening in the state with homelessness with a cost of housing with just lots of issues right so you know you wanna track more people you give them start giving free money you want to keep yourself from getting retail recalled to give them for so i want to go back to the fact that they said that oakland was successful so that they said that it was what. What do you think What do you think is gonna go wrong with it. Then or what do you think is gonna be the repercussions of it. Now it's thirty five million dollars That these people are gonna be able to pull from right so that california was approved for thirty five million dollars and it's a monthly basically sniping that these people get my thought i comes in. Miami is an all it will really do is just raise everything up a little bit like the now. Milk will be ten cents more expensive now. I think you'll have a nominal on on inflation because it's not it's it's not just printed money So it's money that was existed in friendliest printed already did that. That's what will cause the big inflation. I'm not worried about the inflationary effect of it. I don't i think that'll be mental. All it's gonna do is you're just you're just now increasing the burden of government. You're spending more require more taxes as a result and you haven't cut any costs and how are you going to possibly reverse that in the future. How do you know it's funny. We did this. Whole like War on poverty. I don't know how many decades ago poverty was going down tremendously before that after we started that warm poverty. It's flattened out of the new deal. no not the new deal Stuff afterwards and what ended up causing did caused generational effects where people were kind of dependent on that and the bureaucracy never goes away you know what the problem one of the big problems with these big government. Bureaucracies is if they don't spend the money that are allocated so. Let's say that you create this bureaucracy to administer childcare so they all we need people need childcare. We're gonna take taxes and we're going to give people childcare. And now we've got all these people working in the state administering and control who gets it and whatever. Here's what happens if they let's say they get twenty million dollars. Here's your twenty million dollars to administer to work with childcare. And then they come back at the end of the year. They said we only needed ten million dollars. They're gonna cut. They're they're going to cut their budget but if they come out and say we spent every dollar of twenty million. We need more they get more. So it's it's in the best interest of the bureaucracy that runs it to spend every damned sent into always more money and never save money. and so. that's just what happens. Just blows the hell. Well the d- the my buddy and i got into it about this. Because he's a hundred percent four And i i'm not against it. I'm skeptical about it. And i was skeptical about it was i think we can all agree that there's definitely a percentage whether that's one percent fifty percent or ninety percent of the people that it will motivate them to do nothing it. There's sure there's definitely there's definitely the mom who's working two jobs has three kids bussing her ass barely getting by and this is gonna be just enough to make sure. Her son gets cleats for football and is going to be maybe saves saver and rightfully so and you love to hear that and see that happen but there's also going to be somebody who's like living at home with mom still you know and maybe i'll work. Maybe i won't work. She takes care of me anyways. I can collect this. Because i'm thirty something years old and still live at home and i'm going to collect this money and is not going to go out and get a job. The my question is is it going to be a greater percentage of people that are going to help from it or will it be a greater percentage of people that will manipulate no matter. What when you're giving free money or free services to people you're going to have both elements of that no matter what right the challenges a do we do it. I think at some point. There's a level that we should probably do something but be. How do we make it as efficient as possible. How do we make sure that every dollar we put into it goes to that person and not to this bullshit on all the mini administrator hundred percent. That's the issue. So i shoot now. Here's the truth is that's not possible though. Well it's possible to cut a lot of it. I mean if you send checks directly in that's now here's the thing you talk to people who are super supportive of all these government welfare programs and you tell them fine. Let's cut those programs and just give them a check their against it no. I don't wanna do that. Why their jobs wrapped in. They are tied to the bureaucracy. And then they'll come up and say well. These people don't know how to spend their money. We'll spend it better for them. It's all dot control. I give him the check but cut the cost. If anything will spend less taxes they'll get more money more freedom with that money you'll get more free market effects from it. And how do you decide who gets it though and how do you how do you still negative income tax. I think you'd like milton. Friedman put together a negative income tax. Plan that i think was as good as you probably going to get. Nothing's gonna be perfect. So essentially the the it's a it's a scale of how much you get depending on your income and that's your money and then you can spend it. It's like a school choice. It's just like this. Instead of telling the parent you have to send your kid to this shady school that you live in their district. You say to them. Here's your your voucher for public school. You can pick any public school and take your kid wherever you want like. That would create great pressure on underperforming schools and good schools would just expand right so now. Let's see argument to why that's about. Why are we choice. Yeah oh the opposing argument is always a tenured. Yeah oh but we know what better parents don't know what's good for their kids. The good schools we get to packed and the bad schools will will. Of course my argument is the good schools will expand and the shitty ones will disappear and we'll have to do a better job but it's all about control they they want the control and that's we gotta look closely the people the government giving you the money off more often than not is in about helping you. It's about controlling you and controlling your vote. Because why wouldn't they get. Why wouldn't they just cut the bureaucracy and give you a damn check. Next time you talked to somebody that's in support of this. Why don't you tell them that. Tell him that. Say oh yeah. I'll do it when we cut the cut everything and instead of having welfare and housing support the problem with that. Is that the people that would like. Because i'm assuming if i were to ask my buddy that he would say okay. I agree we should do that. But it probably won't get done that. I i would love it if you would say that but you will be surprised. Surprised i think. I know him well enough to know that He would agree with. I don't think he's pro the bureaucracy. I don't think he's pro growing government. He's pro helping people and if this is the best way to do it. And if it's a net win he's willing to take it so in other words if it's fifty one percent of the people it it changes or saves their live and forty nine percent of the people take advantage of it. Stay home and are lazy. He still looks at it as a network. Yeah i would hope so. But i look. Here's the deal. I bet you if a conservative politician presented it the way i'm showing. Hey we're gonna save you money in taxes and we're going to give money to people and cut all this bureaucracy because it'll it'll make government smaller. I bet you get support from conservative. Voters and i bet get opposition from liberal politicians because a liberal politicians are really supporting the bureaucracy. And then we'll come out say they'll say but we're going to lay off all these government. Employees just want to help people. What do we do with these thirty thousand people that we're gonna cut their job. Whatever that's that's the position they're gonna they're gonna come at it from but no i would support it if it cut things but i wouldn't support it if you're just throwing it on top of everything else. I think it just becomes more of an issue. Do you guys know who lane up blue miss. Now she is the first transgender cover. Model for sports illustrated did hear about that. Yeah now what. It's interesting move on. sports illustrated. I am so curious to what happens. I mean of course. There's people in uproar and our consumers are going to tell them if they like it or not. I mean what's the demographic it's gotta be lake. Our generation like primarily men but also like a younger generation of men is. It's i mean how many women are buying the high so again this. I have no stats to back this up. Maybe doug can look up. Well how many people are. What percentage of sports illustrated subscribers are men versus women. I would speculate that. Eighty percents are young right. Yeah teenage to twenty and then maybe like you said just in our generation of of men that were around when i was created so i find it really really interesting to to take a move. Obviously in the pictures of this person. I'd just to cover okay. So if you didn't know that they were transgender. Would you know she's close. I wouldn't i wouldn't be able to own yet. I mean not from the from the main picture. I so i mean. If you didn't tell me right. Yeah like know feminine. Look for sure. So i think that Them saying it out is them trying to make a statement. I don't think they said anything. It would obviously be able to tell But the consumer will let them know if it's good or bad for them right. You have a theory or an idea. What you think is going to. I think they're going to sell a shit ton of them. Not because people Just because the controversy such a formula and all these big companies have been so the average age is thirty seven for sports. I knew it over and seventy seven percent male. i knew it was. That's even worse in their favor. Maybe average age. Thirty seven and seven. Seventy seven percent men brew controversy sells. That's why they would. I mean think about what's interesting. Because i think that because i mean we're talking about. How often do we bring up. Sports illustrated never never so now all of a sudden we're bringing awareness students l. Right away we are going to maybe bring awareness to tens of thousands of people that weren't even pay attention to it or not going to be. They're just trying to get relevant again. Yes hundred percent straight. that was. That's what i was saying earlier. We were everybody's been sleeping on. The sports illustrated i guarantee you. Their sales are shit compared to what they were when we were in the pre all print all prints been pretty much irrelevant you know since we when digital any swimsuit anything pornography so easily accessible. Nobody gets shit. You thi- so your your theory is there's a couple smart smart executives that are sitting in a boardroom. And they're like. Hey we are drowning. We've been drowning myers. Let's drum up some controversy. What is something that'll be controversial. That get people talking about our magazine again. I got an idea. They restarted percent off Seventy seven percent of our subscribers. They're going to piss them off or not. I mean they're just looking for news and controversy to sell more. Didn't they do a cover. Not that long ago of like the first plus size model to yeah wonder no. It wasn't sports illustrated's as we talked about that shape magazine. Put out the plus size model as well. I don't know maybe they did something. I'm unaware of. But i know the the big one that made the news that we even addressed and talked about was. It was a yellow go. Either cosmo cosmo or shape That had the plus size model on the at and it said that this health remember that yet found it twenty sixteen model. Okay good though right. That's what size i guess about. Yeah the the. I think they're trying not to be there trying to be relevant. I'll give you guys example. Remember maximum remember maximum how popular that was when we were younger. it's like all gone. It doesn't sell shit. Yeah they moved. I know they moved digital. Like i don't know so i don't know what these companies have done. I can't imagine that they've stayed this entire time. In relied on their digital print as their main source of their Their their print as their main source within that they've gone digital and made because i mean can you get it. It's for like an airport. The only base laughed for like these magazines live in. Nobody's buying them. I can't imagine that anybody's interests magazine. That were selling sex it when we were younger or gone it well because it was like taboo. A little bit you know back then. Now it's just like we're just inundated with. I mean they're not though on was still exists. Play there so weak. Compared to what they why i mean. That's your opinion based off of what you think you see. Oh no i know for a fact. Look at playboy playboys tanks they tank. They used to be an empire they were so what. I'm curious about where. I'm trying to debate with you about. This is like i. I don't know as behind the scenes decision i mean. How many business moves do we make that people have no clue about about mine pump. And let's say all sudden digital programming falls off the cliff and everybody. Oh my god. I bet mind pump is taking and they're not making any money more i would just i would chuckle and say let's just one part of how we monitor. Sure i'm sure. So how do i mean something. That's that massive. Social i would hope has some executives have smarter smarter than we are. that is gone. Okay this this whole thing is heading in this direction. Let's pivot into this. And yeah they tied into like actual swimsuit sales and all that or is it. This is just like the majorie playboy magazine closing down for good. I mean they're they're they're done. You know what the biggest indicator was when doug showed the average age thirty seven year. Old male is the average age of sports illustrated reader. That's your dying. If your business is that you're dying right as a as a as a subscribe to the magazine. But where i'm trying to go is like what makes you think they don't have you know. Mp investments or they don't have something else that's that they're monetize in and that the the you make that much money as playboy or a sports illustrated i would hope you didn't put all your eggs in one basket and like magazines are going to be the thing forever and not start to branch out into other. I don't know what a sports illustrated own. Besides i don't know that's my point is that i'm not gonna just discount it as a business and say like it's going it's done it's over. I know that the magazine part and the digital. I've got no argument. Their digital swimsuit stuff is probably tanked compared to what what they're your old publications together or whatever. You googling away over there trying to find out what's going on with them. You're making me work hard. So i i didn't know that the earning levels in deals doubled through licensing deal boom. Well no i sure but the magazine and their swimsuits arguing that you shit on sports illustrated as a company. And i'm i'm just specifically. I know what you met. But that's what i'm saying. So what so what. It's a pivot. Yeah so there's there's something we are doing today. That is probably making very good money. That will not be making us. Good money ten years from now if we're good executives it won't it won't skip right so my point. What trying to say is what they did with the swimsuit with what they're doing with the swimsuit edition is like the last screams of death or just absolutely brilliant. They've got other parts of their business growing scaling and it's just about bringing attention to them by causing controversy and now tons of people are asking the same damn question that i'm asking right now. Is that well how is this. The houses comey magazines are dying. They do something controversial that we gotta think. Eighty percent of their their readers are not gonna like and how is that going to benefit them. Oh will they have licensing deals and they have other things that they monetize and now that seventy percent of the people that weren't even thinking about them it's dying and they're just using it to get attention us right. That's i mean i i. I wouldn't argue with that right right. I mean just think of again. Use our our business example ninety percent of the revenue that we making was through digital programs online five years from now that completely becomes obsolete. But we'd already pivoted five years ago to coaching trainers on how to be better trainers. And that's the number one revenue stream. We decide to do something controversial. Tank the fucking program sales. Because we don't care it's already taking just a draw ashcroft v right hey no great example. We do south. We do something that is so out of left field that people would never think that we would do cardio to get people talking trash about the business and who we are what we're doing and all that really does is bring more is in attention on potentially the other things that we're doing so i would not be surprised if sports illustrated on that. I would not be surprised. If cosmo's done. That would not be surprised if playboys done that. If you have good executives that are running the company i would imagine. They've done this Hey real quick. I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Checkout serenity kids baby food. This is food for your kids. That's healthy made with things. Like grass-fed beef bone broth vegetables. It's healthy baby food that your kids will love. It will make your kids healthier smarter and grow up stronger so head over to my serenity. Kids dot com. Use the code. Mp twenty for twenty percent off your purchase all right enjoy the rest of this podcast. First question is from jay. Is there a different way to train for wide lattes verses thick laps with versus i think a better way to board that question would be trained for a wide back or a thick. Yeah you're right opening then say thick lattes or a widely because the last not going to change the last grow and they shrink right so if they grow they're going to get thicker and wider right. But when you're looking at back with you're typically talking about the lattes so if you were to look at like an anatomy chart of the back the lattes kind of come up and attach up in the top of the arms and they come all the way down and attachable along the spine under these really big kind of wing muscles. That are you know they kind of they give you the width look. Like rahm boy. Director spinney would be thick. Ron boyd mid trapeze. Ius erector spinney. That's going to give you that. Kinda thick looking back dimensional. So i like this question though. Because i remember the the the bro way of explaining this buddies. That would train like this where they would do. All the exercises narrow grip to would because they were in theory. we're trying to make their lots thicker that day or they would go all wi grip because they're trying to go with and the way this is worded is probably somebody who's been either told this or is thinking this And i think that's just the wrong way to look at it. It's like developing your lattes. One hundred percent is is going to make you wider looking right. Because the last run on the side of the muscles that i think will give you more of thicker back look will be attacking things like your boy your traps. Your retrospect those are the muscles that i think are going to give you more depth So typically Anything that's like a pull up. Pull down you're gonna. Do you gonna hit the lots much more directly things like rose still work the lattes. But you're going to get more of those mid back muscles dead lifts right lots of those mid back muscles. Lots of the erector spinney. And it's funny through the years. I've able to really tell with decent accuracy if someone does a lotta rose in dead lifts versus someone does lots of pull ups and you can see it in their back. You really can't. I remember years ago. There was this guy that would come into the gym. And he was just a pull up machine he would and he's really wide back with these. Kinda hanging lasts but he did lack some of that thing. Yeah he did lacks upper back fitness. Then there was these powerlifters that i that i knew that lacked the with from the latin but they had such thick deep looking backs so really for full development. You want to do. All of that was the biggest thing that i saw in to justice. Point about director spin was mad when i When you guys pushed me to lift heavy dead lifts. I'd never done that in my life. I dead lifted but not heavy like not singles doubles triples lift or even under five reps. It was always something i did. Lightweight i did at the end of workouts. I was never trying to push away with dead lifts. And i remember i and i gotta go back because i know you've referenced it sal before that before that picture before and after so tony bennett. All the only difference is literally. I am actually throughout like all of their backers says. All i did was dead lift and so to see the difference. Now you gotta remember that. I got fifteen years plus of before that of doing all kinds of latte pull down pull ups and all the traditional type of latin back exercises. The only thing i wasn't doing was really focusing on dead lifting and what that could do. It's also why i'm so defensive. When i see the trainers that try and shit on dead lifting as a back exercise because nothing gave my back a fuller thicker better look than that. i mean. that was one of my early critiques. From judging was when the first judge saw me it was like all you could improve your back thickness and i went after dead lifting and it totally changed the look of my funny when you see like strength athletes. Powerlifters make the transition to bodybuilding. You often will see the issue of back width so they they oftentimes have then focus on really getting the last about but they don't lack thickness well. They've got really really thick back. Our buddy ben pollack is a great example. Yes i mean. He is just too thick thick. But you can see that. He's having to work on the width to bring that kind of bodybuilding. That flared latte. Look or whatever so you gotta do them both But as far as the lattes are concerned you develop them or you don't and when you develop them they'll get wider and thicker. But you want that mid back that that canal down the spine where you know dips in. Because everything's real thick dead lifts and grow the heavy lifting we're just isometric contraction of stabilising and says and now we're on the topic if you want that that yoke were like the traps and upper back like do your your high pulls your cleans your farmer walk. Harry's oh yeah you ever. Do you ever run into like a an athlete. That does just lots of cleans and high polls and they're not really focused on aesthetics. They're just trying to focus on getting really cleans. And what are they always have super thick like upper kind of trash traps. Yeah i noticed that from training with justin we train when we i was training with him or because we were building the app while i was also competing and i'd get workouts in with him and i would do clean suppresses so and i remember. I went a good song. I would say a good solid six months to a year of no more traditional shoulder presses. Anytime i show the press i cleaned oppress and got up to a point where i was trying to catch up to justin. What he was what he was doing. Weightwise and i remember really close to get close. I don't think i was doing the same weight as he can do. I do what i did. Notice was again. Because i'm getting judged and i see pictures and i'm critiquing my physique like crazy during this time in my life Was the upper back development from that was an incredible and shoulders. It blew my shoulders up. Blew my traps up. Just a great great movement for the upper back. Yeah it's got to be the one area of the body that if you develop it really well imbalanced. It gives you the overall appearance of string. I think some of that has to do with it. Those exercise promote you pulling your shoulders back and better posture. So at least i feel that way like if you get that. Upper back stake like that. Not only are you standing upright with good posher than your t-shirt bangs off so you can see that this person's all developed up there in the fast twitch movement You know getting that kind of stimulus is got to in that. People lack a lot in their training So to be able to kind of get that from some of these like powerlifting. What a great pointing. Was anybody do an explosive exercise for your shoulders or for your upper back like you just rarely ever see that as an explosive type of movement that you train. I think that's part. I think it's good to point that out. Actually just because i think that's half of why i saw such great benefit from doing that. Was i never did that. So of course it's great but if you do it all time obviously the the thing that we always talk about the exercise you'd never do is probably the most and then the other thing too is from a functional standpoint. You can't always judge a book by its cover. Obviously i know the people that i would when i would grapple the people that i could look at intel like. That's a strong person. Had a well-developed back hips like everything else matter. They had a well-developed back and hips. You know they're strong view know that they're strong. You tend to see that in athletes. Next question is from andrew ebrill. Twenty-one what are the best mobility exercises for low bar squat good. Low bars watts. Now the i guess the question. I would have here is Is is the question because the low bar squats the bar so low battlefield mobility shoulder. Mobility is what i'm looking for or we're talking about squads and so are they asking that because the squat depth they're lacking and so that totally changes you look at the difference between a low bar and a high bar squadron. High bar squat. You're gonna be more upright. You're probably gonna need more ankle mobility right because your knees are gonna travel ford a little bit more low bar squat. You're gonna get more forward. Bend less ankle mobility but probably more hip i would imagine stability And strengthen up and then of course the traffic and the upper back area is what i would would. You typically would see with somebody that you'd have to work on. I think the biggest issues you guys said was the shoulder. Mobility that shoulder and thoracic kind of mobility to be able to support a bar. Way down on that part of your back in hold it with good chest out type of posture. There's a lot of people aren't able to do that. So good exercise for that. I like The wall tests that we have in one. Yeah zone one in prime. I love And i i think. I shared this on my story a couple months ago. I've just really been incorporating the last year our Suspension trainer ws. I love that as prime for exactly that. Think about where you're trying to the actual movement of getting me me getting into the ball out of the bar for a low bar squad. This is what it looks like right. And then we're wedging down below like literally. That is the w waking up all those muscles pools as well. Yeah face. Pools ws on the suspension trainer Those i mean. I i used to do zone. Once zone was like my go-to goethe zone wont work on that. Intrinsically the reason why. I think i like w. it's easier to get somebody to do a w then get them to q. Zone one so if you don't own prime it's harder for us to think this on a podcast like exactly what zone one is and how to do it to get the benefits. Where if you go. Youtube or google search would a suspension trainer w is You could do it at emulated. I think tremendous benefit. yeah Prone cobra worse. Yeah work on that on the area and then hit mobility right so you know what kind of things are good for hip mobility you know. Ninety nineties always a great movement for that to walking lateral tube. Walking can help a little bit with that stability that you might need for a low bar squat. Generally speaking. i'd say people tend to run into mobility issues more with a high bar scotto in my experience. Oh yeah you know You see more issues with ankle mobility than you will ankle and just a high bar squats. Take me a long time to get to where i could actually do. One really really good. You have to have really good depth in order to to be able to sit upright bar up really high and if you're taller longer it's even harder the longer the lever like that. So i had to low bar squat for a long time to get to hit depth Because i i had to let my body fold over a little bit. Because i didn't have the ankle. Mobility and shoulder mobility olympic lifters are probably the best example of high bar. Yeah that's where you're gonna see the batter nice and upright with that. I think to want to cover all the bases with wrists elbows and shoulders. You do are handcuffed. The rotation In that's just one of those that like it just it places Unions such good position in really articulates each one of those joints because those are all essential and getting into that position. Lower on your back it up to get everything in a nice neo. Functional position for that next question is from. Daniel delgado six. I've been training for a while under the influence of rwanda basically every workout. I've done for the past. Four to six months is bad. I get this actually lie. I know because. I openly talk about my marijuana. People always want to know if i'm high working out. I hate like it working. I hate it. May if i'm doing Like when i was competing. If i was doing like a hour of how do you ramp it up if have like relaxes you so and from ability i want to be tight and tense exactly so if i was doing mobility or cardio where i want my mind to go to another place and just kinda like get into what i'm doing because it's repetitive. Whatever you're doing right if you're doing mobility or you're doing cardio work But training is. I don't know i wanna be fully alert. Tight and rigid studied studies. Show that it reduces explosive performance but it may help with his damn endurance pain tolerance. So that may be where the person you know might get a better workout from it. Now i'm going to be careful in when i say you don't want to be dependent on anything to do your workouts and the reason why i'm careful is because most of us dependent on another drug caffeine caffeine workouts. I these days rarely ever work out without having caffeine. So i would sound like a hypocrite. Say you you probably shouldn't work out under the influence of anything. Now here's the deal with cannabis and your body. It probably has negative effects on your hormones. Probably because the human studies are mixed but the animal studies are pretty consistent. They show that it does reduce testosterone production in animals and humans. It's mixed you probably estrogens effect in fact if you go to your doctor and you're an adult male and you have guy masta which is development of breast tissue and you're not taking on steroids and you don't have other types issues. One of the first things will ask you is. do you use a lot of cannabis. And then they'll they'll have reduce it because it's been shown to cause that in so doing that and then working out is there a potential negative effect again. The challenges controlling all the factors is the fact that he's using cat. He or she is using cannabis making them more consistent in other words. If he didn't use the candidates to work out he'd be less consistent. Well we got away that into. But let's say everything is equal so using it or not. He would still work out. Consistently i would say. It's probably a net negative because of its effects on inflammation in hormones. It's probably reducing kind of the muscle building signal them. Seems that being said though. I mean if it's if it's not. I think they're they're big concern. Is like is it killing my gains right like when someone asked questions like this when i get dmz others. I get a lot like people are just like concern. That is this killing my gains. My going to the gym. But because i'm going hi. I'm getting fifty percent of the benefits that haven't heard a lot of people actually working out lake high versus like people use it as a recovery afterward especially with a lot of athletes were their output is so extreme that you know it actually helps them sort of to to get down more into you. Know a steadier heart rate. I know a lot of people that use cannabis before they were also i i. It's actually up there with one of the top. Dmz yeah no. It's one of the top dmz. And i think that a lot of that has to do one. Obviously i talk about it openly on the show. We're just assumes on this superstar in asked me all marijuana questions and then. I also just think that it's been exciting user if i mean just ten years ago i mean. Forget what the statistics were on. How many people from the sixty seventies a lot of bodybuilders use marijuana. Before i know but i mean as far as like the general population as far as the acceptance of marijuana were i mean now in california you can go walk into it like a liquor store and go by people like everything high now. Yeah honestly things are better. But i prefer like movies and stuff over my just day i will. I will say like if you're gonna do stretching if you're gonna do mobility cardio yeah. I could see that i have done and lifted weights to and it definitely doesn't work for strength and power of performance for me but if i'm just trying to get a pump and i'm just squeezing in focusing and concentrating muscles and isolating then i could maybe see. I could see that. Yeah i could see a day where i'm like beat up. I know i shouldn't go heavy. May that's one of the ways to keep me from going heavy as like. I'm gonna go in stone so this cruise around take long serious lightweight. Nice pumps you know what i'm saying like. Yeah there's this huge community of people that will smoke weed and that or eat it and then do jujitsu like a huge community. Well so i cut it. See that because that sport you are supposed to be kind of loose right. You don't want to be rigid and stiff and and especially when you're leaking ahead to right in terms of your moves or anything and so it seems like it's Fictive remember the tournament was and the. I think it wasn't zone. I i don't know if it was a tenth planet Jiu jitsu tournament that ten planets eddie. Bravo obviously big advocate. And they actually. Before they did the match they smoked a joint in front of everybody and then they did. You get to select this big. And there's this there's this whole other side that's like so anti well. I mean you i with. I could see that though. Right because it's so like Conducive to like flow state. And that i mean it could promote that right. So if you're that's where. I think marijuana has some benefits. If you're doing something we're getting into flow is super beneficial I could see the snowboarders that some the things that some of the things i like to do like before i ride i totally. Yeah which which is counter to what you're saying right. Because obviously if i'm doing a heart cut or a jump or something crews probably yeah i'm just trying to cruise and i want to and i want to be so into what i'm doing and so i just being high when i'm doing that makes it. I can feel a different at the end of the day. I think you've gotta be careful right. You can use you abuse anything. I've known my sheriffs donors that became completely doubt. Have you ever were to be that guy. Don't be like next question is from. Ps tcans what tips. Would you give to an aspiring entrepreneur. Who wants to open their own gym. Starting small of course all right. Don't do it. let's say you cut me off always a crush peoples. Don't do it. Hey if you're like okay. Here's the deal if you're an entrepreneur and that's what you are than the excitement for you has more to do with creating successful businesses meeting the challenge selling them. If you're into your passion you might be labeled as more like an artist or someone who's passionate about something. That's a little bit different. Usually people are mix of the two if you want to build businesses that are successful. It's hard to pick a business. That's harder than jim business. That's just a fact. It's brutal business. The gym business is a very difficult business to really. It costs a lot a lot of capital. It's there's a lot of risk involves a lot of money to not a lot of money. There's tons of competition your meant. I managed some of the most successful gyms in these in these big chains. And i'm telling you man i was. I worked a minimum twelve hours a day minimum just to do just to to do well. And this was with the huge marketing machine by it behind me. Lots of capital. Then i own my own and it was it. It's hard man. It's like opening a restaurant like look at the success rates of restaurants. It's like opening jim. So it's going to be real tough. What are my tips gonna be four. You make sure you have a lot of money to float yourself for awhile because you're going to be in the red. I think for a little while. Focus on your local community. A lot of people forget this when they open gyms they certainly think digitally and they think they're gonna do this. Huge like internet marketing type of thing if your business is your members. What is a ten mile radius. That's where you get a majority of members last time. I looked at the statistics now so old school. Marketing is actually quite effective. Still for small gems you worked with local businesses. You go to houses around you you. You're trying to get ten miles around your jam. The digital marketing morris. Like for almost like your your business card. But i would. I would spend much more time on the ground walking around meeting people either that i was thinking about it. It's like what's your definitive difference out there. In the market you know in terms of like all the rest of the gyms what are you offering specifically i just think is an example Something i've seen lately which you guys have seen sort of the trend of of women really wanting to grow their gluts right. So there's been a few of these like smaller type. Gyms are just literally hyper focused on this. Jim provides you this service. We're just gonna get grow your your gluts exploding. And that's the thing though. I it's it's not like what you think like. I'm just going to service everybody. Everybody wants to come work out like you like i think in in terms of what's out there now Ah in the big gyms are already established and they've had this whole formula of legal. We'll take your money because you're gonna show up you know i think that's you. Let them have that. If you're just starting out. I think you've got to be really creative and really pinpoint that that very specific thing that people are actually gonna drive to your place to go get well i so i know i came out hard on it right away. I always say terrible. I didn't me personally. I i would never do it the only way i would do it personally was if i met a place in my life where i'm not financially driven anymore because i i like the idea of having a gym like i i like the idea of having you wanna be the guy that retires jim in seattle. I'm filthy rich. I don't give a shit if it's profitable hundred percent will own gym one day to make myself. I like l. by all the outright. I'll own the building that it's bill anna bar. All it'll be closed at the hours. I want to work out so me and my buddies can come in and lift that. Don't give a shit that kills sales for me like that's how i want to have a gym. And so i think you really have to understand what your desired outcome is going into the gym. So if you are somebody who You desire of freedom and autonomy and the the the cool factor of walking in at anytime to lift in your gym and that trump's paying your bills and making really good money and thriving financially then so be it like who am i to judge and say it's a bad idea because you could definitely make a living doing that but i think the last time i looked up the stats on what the average gym owner. It's under fifty thousand dollars. Better love it. yeah. I don't because you're gonna trainers and they're making more money than you. Yeah that's going to happen. So fifty grand a year depending on where you live in the country is not is not an easy living bay area. You're struggling you're working. Law and the average entrepreneur were sixty two hours a week. So that's a average entrepreneur of your gym owner. I think it's even higher than that because you're going to be there at all if it's open you're probably there at the very beginning so i think you need to consider the out of the also need to consider the different types of models what you're trying to do Running large box gym. I mean even when working for companies like twenty four fitness Those were not their most profitable so going. Big is not a great idea. That's a lot of risk and there's not a lot of money in that The most profitable gyms right now or the little boutiques that are about three thousand square feet to justin's point that are more specialized so it's in. Eft bay so you get a only need about one hundred and something service high-dollar because you're looking at that's-that's those gonna say because you kind of your two options are low service low dollar so you're cheap right like planet fitness right low service but it's very cheap but you need a lot of volume. Lots of investors need to be involved with or high service high dollar low volume right. So i only have one hundred people. But they're all paying me two hundred and fifty bucks a month or something. I can the other thing. I would suggest to this person also as you better have gone and killed it as a trainer or killed it within a gym. I before you even want to think about doing this because becoming a great trainer and keeping your your schedule filled with clients is already harsh it for people. That's hard to do with a huge company. Taking care of everything or all you have to do is contract space out so you better have been the number one performer at a big company as a gym at a big box gym for a long time. Or you better be the top dog in a contract. That place out. So if you're somebody who's renting space for six hundred dollars a month you best be the dude who's making one hundred a girl who's making one hundred fifty to two hundred fifty thousand dollars a year just doing that alone before you think about trying to start a brick and mortar place while also trying to scale a training business like because you're going to want that i the only way i would consider it back then to even do something like that is okay. I've got a good safety. Net of one hundred fifty two hundred thousand dollars a year that i've built off of being a great trainer. Now i'm going to try and build this gym and create a livelihood for ten other trainers in my gym. At least i have this to fall back on that. I can at least cover my bills. Let's see how good i came. I saw i owned a small facility. And when i say small it was tiny. I had a under three thousand square feet. I had a cage. I had a a cable machine had some benches some dumbbells. That was it. It was just a small area. I had some offices. My gym was packed. So i had trainers that were paying rent. I had massage therapist pay mirant acupuncturist. Pay mirant. I had my schedule and i had trainers making as much money as i was in my facility. Because they would pay me their rent and then they train their clients and there were definitely times when i would think to myself. Why am i owning and managing taking all this risk. When i could just pay rent at some studio and make more money now for me i. I chose to do that because i would rather be the owner. I'd rather have that autonomy I loved it so i lived there all the time. It didn't matter for me. But i'm telling you right now if you're thinking financially Good luck it's a. It's a really really tough and not only that but wouldn't you go back until the younger self years like knowing what you know now a better strategy would be to go build a business like mine. Pump make a bunch of capital. take that capital. Then go buy out your equipment buyout your facility of course still fulfill that dream so if your ultimate dream is i want to own a gym and that kind of my livelihood. I think there's faster ways of getting there. That actually opening the gym go to finance. I go do something else that by drives more revenue that you're more likely to be successful. Which by the way if you can actually build a gym and make really good money. You're probably pretty bad asset a lot of other things too. Yeah because it takes quite the entrepreneur to be able to build a successful jim. It's not some dumb meathead that builds as a gym and actually make six. No you if you open a tiny studio and you you're starting from scratch. It's going to cost you a hundred thousand dollars at least just to buy the stuff set it up and floated that's minimum. Here's the other thing if you're a high service high dollar low volume facility that means you're going to have to be in a wealthy area which means you're gonna pay high rent. You also have to consider that as well now. You open a small gym. That's twenty thousand square feet. You're up in the hundreds of thousands of dollars a million dollars just to get started so closer to a million. Yeah i know. Because of how many times i thought about doing it right now. Of course hindsight is always twenty twenty. Would i change anything. No it led me to doing what i'm doing now but i don't know if i would have lasted just doing that forever. At some point. I would have got out of it. I mean i know. We're all gonna jim i. There's no we talk about. The question is when the timing. When do we want to do that. And i think we all know it's when we don't care if it's profitable or not that literally could have five members and we're not going to be stressing out all the planet fitness. Which i think this. I think it's really similar to owning a bar. I think that's some of your bars that everybody thinks are probably cracking successful. I think there's a huge overhead in own a bar but a lot of the people that keep the bars that are going for a long time or people that don't need the money it's like the it's their favorite local spot to go to and they've got other businesses. They make now that being said if you if you took us and put us in a big box gym. That wasn't doing very well. I'm confident we could definitely increase. The revenue increase their profitability. But it's a lot of damn work one of the most. I mean mona challenging things. Like i said i have. An uncle owns a restaurant. It's very comparable like my uncle. Lives there all the time. Like he's always there. That's what it's like running successful jim. You're just there all the time you have your morning crowd your evening crowded putting out fires. Oh yeah oh look if you like mine. 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Jamy Ian Swiss 2 (Part 1)

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Jamy Ian Swiss 2 (Part 1)

"Hello and welcome to the show before we get started with this first of two pods with their incredible jamie in swiss. I needed to tell you something else. You know the andi gladwin block. Jim emba last year. We published his first magic book. The boy who cried magic you remember how it sold out because it became our biggest selling magic book ever well hussan and harar it back in stock and shipping today so you can go onto the website and snaggy self a copy missed out on the first print. Run additionally up on the blog. We've a documentary that we made about the book and it features the elusive george. He's very rarely filmed. So if you want to Find out a bit more about how the book came to be and see some footage of who he believed to be george. Then you can do that on the block which is vanishing inc magic dot com slash blog. Where you'll find another new feature in the top above the blog little banner and it says so many mohan as new blog post. Guess what happens if you do that. That's right we'll send you email every time there's a new blog post. We do two or three a week and if it turns out or getting too much for you. It's really easy to manage the emails that we send you in the footer of every single e mail link. That says managed how we send you email. Click there and you can subscribe. And unsubscribe from the variety of different emails. We offer to make sure that it never gets that. We're mailing you too much. We only want to send you emails even to get so. Don't get about managing email preferences go lunacy the documentary with the elusive george and buy a copy of mr andy grab wins critically acclaimed book the boy who cried magic. That's enough of me waffling Now it's time for the show. In which mr jamie in swiss talks about everything to do with skepticism. So let's get on with that show showy ready. This is the first of two pause. Second part will be next monday. Case you wonder why ends abruptly so I think he's just about tougher. Shuffle i can see it coming up on the timeline. It's going to start roundabout now. Welcome to this week's episode of the insider brought to you as ever by vanishing inc. My guest today is a magician. A consultant an author a historian a scientific skeptic jamie in swiss jamie. Welcome back to the show. How are you today. a pleasure to be back sir. Thank you very much now. You on the show before recorded live at manifest talking about magic but today we're gonna be talking about skepticism to celebrate the launch of your most recent astonishing essay that country's conundrum. Let's talk about how. And why you became a skeptic. Oh boy a book. All almost begins right. After the prologue story with the story of an experience. I had at the world's fair the new york world's fair. When i was about eleven years old and i was in a really spectacular futuristic exhibit of the ibm and i came upon thing that's claim to do computerized handwriting analysis. Signed my name on a punch card. Anybody remembers what punch cards are. We talk to computers. And i put in my dollar which was two weeks allowance and i got back after a lot of worrying and digging and movement and things a stack of ten eight or ten punch cards each of which had a personality quality that seemed reasonably accurate a printed at the top. But the thing that bugged me about it was not a computer expert. But i thought i knew that the punches were there for the computer to read so if the computer needed the punches to read how could read my signature this bugging and then My school took us on a little trip. Not long after to a bit confused computer facility. Which was you know those days. Huge frigid rooms ganic machines and we walked into one room. And i and i spotted this machine that look to me. Just like the computer at the ibn aware pod. The guide started to say now. This is a boys and girls is not a computer. This is a machine just sorts cards. I went wait a minute and then went home. And i insisted to my parents at the next trip to the world's fair. We would have to go back to the ibm exhibit which they really did not like because you had to wait hours online to get into these exhibits. But i was insistent. And i was a big fan by that even by that age. I'd really be seven. So i'd already been doing magic for a few years time. Always eleven usually had trick in my pocket and i. I've been reading about houdini. Since i was nine or ten years or so. I was a big fan at that time. I wasn't really taking so much with the escapes. I was really taken with the idea that he was exposing fraudulent psychics. That was really interesting to me. I didn't make the connection at the time. Certainly but when we went back to the fair just couldn't wait until we got to straight for this machine and it was even more confusing because that was the year that ibm elsewhere in the exhibit presented optical character recognition that. If you wrote you hand wrote a date it would come up with the newspaper front page of the new york times from that date so that was made it. All more confusing seem made. It seem almost possible. And i went back to the machine and sure enough. It was the card sorting machine. And i was really ticked off that i had been scammed by ibm out of two weeks allowance. Yeah but i also felt kind of satisfied that i had. I had busted this mystery. I had busted this fraud. Not just a mystery. I had busted this fraud now. I didn't grasp the weightiness of that. At the time the significance of that at the time but years later as i became increasingly involved with skepticism and with great skeptics around the world and and that tradition a it occurred to me and thinking back that not only was there a connection between my skepticism and magic as there has historically been for centuries but there was also this personal skepticism partly informed by magic partly informed by houdini and and connected with my interest in science. If i hadn't you know at one time. I pursued going into the scientists as well so Before changing pads so that was early indicator why did you want to go back at. You realize it was a scam. 'cause i was ticked off really ticked off because i felt like i had been scammed so you wanted to see the trick again. You want one hundred percent certain. Because i you know i had seen this machine. Then i when i saw the machine at the computer vicinity. I locked in a really clear image of it. But i needed to go back one more time to see if i was. I suspected it was the same. But i wasn't absolutely confident of my memory. She'll show i'm in the essay. You'd obviously touch upon scott and the discovery of witchcraft. Scott didn't go as far as to say that which is don't exist. But what did he do in that book. That early in the book right after the fair story. I think i discuss the discovery of witchcraft. Reginald scot published in fifteen eighty four. Many magicians know about this book. Many magicians that its little twenty two page section of magic tricks in a book. That was not about magic not intended to be about magic. Kicked off was reused copied reuse plagiarized the next century some of the most important books written about magic of that era in the in the sixteen hundreds discovery. Witchcraft is an important book in many respects. It's an important book to historians of the elizabeth and era literature. It's an important book because it reflects a kind of rational free thought at the time Because it re it reflected a skeptical position of the witch burnings of the time in britain and for other reasons as well we. We have pretty strong circumstantial evidence that shakespeare probably drew on discovery in his research When he wrote repeatedly in many plays about which is obviously in macbeth but also about ghosts and spirits. And things like that. You probably read scott. So scott's discovery and it should be made clear that discovery spell with an iep and the old english tends the meaning really was explication scott's discovery of witchcraft. The explanation if you will examination explication of witchcraft. And so as you rightly point out scott was a creature of his times even though a very progressive one he belong to this kind of free thought protestant offshoot of the church and but i consider some would dispute this but i consider scott's discovery to be a significant early work of skepticism. And the reason. I say that is because the skeptic movement such as it is in the modern sense since we could date it. Let's say from the creation of cop the committee for the scientific investigation of claims the paranormal fifty years ago. Whatever the scientific kept movement as always concerned itself with testable claims and the nature of evidence. So we're talking about truth but we're talking about truth. And in particular sense we're talking about testable troops And evidence for truth and therefore how we define quality of evidence and how we define the nature of truth in this context. Not all truth not a mistake that many skeptics often make is they think that people who believe in the paranormal lack evidence for their beliefs that is rarely if ever true people who believe in the paranormal and other supernatural claims always have evidence but by scientific definition. It's lousy evidence so the dispute occurs in the definition of what constitutes evidence right Conspiracy series don't don't to themselves act in an absence of evidence. Even though most conspiracy theories actually are built on the evidence of in the gaps. Right the lack of evidence so it's almost an extreme example but they believe they have say tie things together so the point about scott. Is it scott even though as you say. He does not deny the possibility of which it but what. He's denying what he's questioning. Actually is the caliber of evidence that was being used at the time to convict witches and he was saying. I don't think this evidence is good enough. And so because he's focused on the evidence skepticism and the scientific worldview is not about telling me what to believe what we believe what we who possess who tried to follow his scientific world you believe at any given moment is always subject to change in the scientific world view. It's always subject to revision and improvement. It is the scientific worldview is self correcting the scientific method self-correcting religious world views are not. They locked themselves in two thousand years ago or wherever the case may be and then nothing ever changes right and so the the point is is is that we are interested as skeptics in the nature of evidence and so was scott. Skeptics are not interested in telling you what to believe. We're trying to talk about how to sink now. What to think what how not about the conclusions because science is always changing and adding to its conclusions. And that's that's a feature not a bug but how we go about thinking about that. That's the nature of the scientific worldview. And the scientific method. And that's what scott was doing. Scott was examining the. I always think you know if you filter through the old english which is a little challenging but if you filter through the old english to me. Scott reflects a very contemporary mind. We don't know for sure. We know that there was a another edition of french magician. Who helped him create that chapter. But you know with scott using magic tricks as evidence for how smart people could be four. That's basically what the chapter for. You cannot help but suspect. That scott was a bit of an amateur magician. The had interest in magic. It's not unusual right. We in the scientific world we find this all the time and so inside cop when it was created most of the key members of the board side cop from james. Randi to a martin gardner ray hyman. These are all people with strong magic backgrounds. You know and so it's not hard to imagine. That scott had a bit of a personal interest in magic as well and again the bottom line. For me is scott's discovery is a work of skepticism because it is really about questioning the evidence. It's interesting you mentioned hyman and the other magicians that you set then because the next question i actually had was whitey thinks so many skeptics auditions or people with a background in magic. Well we know. Certainly let's not over extend the conclusion We know there are. There are certainly people in magical not aligned with the scientific world. We know there were people in conjuring. There's a subset of magicians who are involved in new age. The osophy and the magic of crystals or whatever else goes with that worldview. We know that there is an overlap. There and i don't necessarily mean for example bizarre magic because in fact although bizarre magic in embraces those things on presentational van viewpoint it doesn't necessarily reflect that world view of the performance off. I knew i knew masculinity may each tony andruzzi. And i wouldn't i think tony andruzzi was a pretty rational guy. Believe me and so but to your to your question having knowledge that i think that magic teaches you had a very early age. Some very important lessons about worldview. I think magic teaches you at a very early age. That what you see should not necessarily be believed that is a very powerful lesson because the lesson of science and the scientific world view is that you need to set aside your personal experience. Your personal experience is not good evidence and that evidence of a scientific experiment properly conducted needs to actually take plates over your personal impressions now. I gladly embrace that. I absolutely embrace that. And now i think about the world but many people find that offensive if not downright idiotic and that's because of ego that's because humans have egos so you know my friend danny hillis who's a world famous computer scientists When his he had a magic tutor common teaches kids. Give us kids lessons when they were adolescents. Not because he had any attention any of them becoming magicians but just because he thought it was part of a valuable education and verner hers off the great filmmaker who i'm pleased to know. A bit has talked repeatedly about in his idealized film school because he mostly hates the idea of film schools but he has an idea about his own from school is quite different. Where you know. Everyone's issued a set of bolt cutters for example You know he talks about teaching magic as as as partly as a way of generating ideas for for filmmakers who deal in allusion but in other respects to what it teaches you about thinking about how to think so. I think that's a very powerful lesson you know. I've walked every one of my kids through my three boys through the carnival by the time they were ten. We've walked through the mid way. And i've shown them how every crooked game works and you know that's a good lesson it's a really good lesson and it's also really good lesson to teach people to not so harshly judge why people come to the wrong conclusions to have some insight and understanding as to how human brains are wired to make unfortunately make those mistakes. Yeah what why do you think so. Many magicians admire people who pretend to have psychic powers that so many magicians now here in the same way. Okay and it's a good question. It's a good question. I'm happy to try and address it. But i but but just the same way i said i wouldn't generalize that. All magicians are skeptical because there. I also wouldn't is that all magicians in meyer con artists or thieves. Let me let me restart. The genie bash era gallagher. We took it was a full house. Lots of questions came up being very inspired blown away. By how lovely was it was not only a full house. It was a standing ovation so it was not only a standing ovation. I was in the room. I did not stand for the ovation. i forget the attribution on this was it was it was it might have been abraham lincoln But i could be wrong. Who said you know you can fool some of the people. Some of the time and Some of the people all the time. But you can't fool all the people all the time in that room. I saw a one of the most dramatic demonstrations of the fact that you can't fool some of the people all the time and the reason is is because geller gutters talk so is he's always repackage himself. He's a survivor. He's always repack for whatever he can sell and at that time he was trying to sell the idea to magicians that he had come clean and he was no longer making these claims And that would now. The purpose of implying that of course was to gain an audience and to get himself booked at magic inventions as a speaker magic conventions and elsewhere. Although i don't think he's been very successful and elsewhere and so it was served his purpose to imply that But you cannot find for all the magician equipped quick to tell me. Oh no but he doesn't claim that anymore. I just had this exchange on on facebook with a friend a week ago. You cannot find a quote in which he actually says that because he won't say it because he's a sociopath con man that's what he does that's what he is that's how he spent his life. He's probably never told the truth to anyone. Other than shipping shrank. And you have to be kind of. That's a pretty dark way to live but no one else has ever come forward and they say you can't keep a secret. That three can't keep a sacred. Let's tour dead so and there's truth to that so it's likely he's never told the truth to anyone except ship strang. Who was his assistant. Yes and so that talk. I saw that talk. I watched it. I believe objectively and that talk was was a our change or however long it was press kit it was just a press kit famous fa- famous people famous places. All all my successes. i made money at. There's i was successful. This i was successful. That it was just an hour or more of braggadocio but the telling parts of that braggadocio with that the only tools or ideas that he expressed to the audience and he expressed to these repeatedly. Were do anything. Say anything to be successful and successful means rich and famous do anything say anything in an hour and a half or whatever it was there was not once the slightest acknowledgement that actions have consequences or that actions have moral consequences. This was never acknowledged to the extent that it could be implied as acknowledged. He actually told the story. And this is the closest. I think i ever saw or read of him. Coming to an admission of sorts remember. His general. admission is now is entertainer. But of course there's no meaning that it doesn't pin you down. You know amazing crespin. One man's opinion kweskin has spent his life. Saying you know. I real everything. I do is real. Well that's that's a well in newsweek language designed to sound like words and be absent of meaning but the one moment that stuck out for me was when he told the story. He showed photos of a photograph that he had publicized at one time. That was like in store or something somewhere or an exhibit. A photograph of himself and the claim was made it could be healing and he told a story of a woman coming. Who had something seriously medically wrong with like ms or something like that. I think he actually acknowledged the detail and wanted to touch the photo to be. He'll and as geller responded to the recounted this with great pride at how many people had responded and the crowds. It drew up. His response is comment if you will after he gave us. This particular account of this woman was to turn to the group and say come on. Come on you gotta believe that. Come on well. That's the comment associate. That's comment of human being who lacks basic human empathy. And i had someone recently comment about the list of charities that our on geller site for some purpose. Do you think that was all motivated. Because he's such. He's such a humanitarian. So this is as close as he comes and the thing. That appalled me That day was the handful of people in the room who stood up and had their children's stand with them. Because i thought what do you think you're teaching children about the world that you want them to model themselves after sociopath professional con artist that you're going to go home and remind them that they should say anything and do anything to be rich and famous. I'll tell you that's not what. I teach my kids so why to go to your question. Why do some magicians some. And i would say it's a minority. I would say that most of those numbers are medalists right. And that's because i'm an old joke. Best answer that has an old joke of pendulum is it used to be in the penn and teller show many many years ago. He used to say that some magicians look at geller. As i will quote appear with work appear p. e. r. with work who's getting hired and that's the extent of it and there is no doubt that there is a stripe of mental est who totally look at keller and go Geller darren brown batta check. I don't see a difference. They're all working. Whatever it takes. And so i and i think also that at the genie convention magic conventions are not are mostly attended by amateur musicians. Not professionals and celebrity has power right the power of celebrity. I'm in the same room with somebody who's been on a thing for some people So i think it's a combination of those things and i don't think it's particularly you know i would not call it commonplace among conjurers not in my experience but it is. It does re. Let's put it this way. Do ninety percent of the members of the pa admire geller. Oh yeah no doubt about it.

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Dr. Andrew Huberman  A Neurobiologist on Optimizing Sleep, Performance, and Testosterone (#521)

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Dr. Andrew Huberman A Neurobiologist on Optimizing Sleep, Performance, and Testosterone (#521)

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Which is the super cadillac version. My girlfriend loves these soft attachments on that. Check it out. Good thera- gun dot com slash. Tim wartime thera- gun dot com slash. Tim this altitude. I can run flat out for before my hands start shaking oils you with questions now. It is an organism living bishop over metal skeleton. Low boys and girls ladies and germs. This is tim ferriss. Welcome to another episode of the tim. Ferriss show where it is my job to interview world class performers from all different disciplines to tease out the habits routines influences life lessons. And so on you can apply to your own lives. My guest today is andrew huber. that's h. e. r. m. a. n. p. hd. You can find on twitter and instagram. At hebron lab andruzzi neuroscientist tenured professor in the department of neurobiology at stanford university school of medicine. He has made numerous important contributions. To the fields of brain development brain function and neural plasticity. Andrew is a mcknight foundation pew foundation fellow and recipient of the two thousand seventeen cogan. That's yoga an award. For his discoveries. In the study of vision work from the human laboratory at stanford medicine has been consistently published top journals including nature. Science and cell andrew is the host of the human podcast which he launched in january of this year. The show aims to help viewers end listeners. Improve their health with science and science based tools new episodes air every monday on youtube and all podcast platforms as mentioned you can find him on instagram and twitter at human lab. You can find him on the web at human lab dot com andrew. Many people have been trying to match make for five or six years and finally here. We are welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me here. Yes we've crossed paths near misses for a long time and it's great to finally sit down and chat. I thought i would start right in your wheelhouse and use a headline to introduce the subject of vision. Scientific american interview do not long ago and titled the peace quote vision and breathing. Maybe the secrets to surviving. Twenty twenty and quote so breathing. I think for a lot of folks might seem self evident. Stop that you have a lot of problems on your hands or if you do it incorrectly we can. We can certainly dive into that later on vision. I think will jump out is perhaps odd to a lot of folks why vision why has vision perhaps a secret key to surviving twenty twenty or any year for that matter so the vision and our visual system is perhaps the strongest lever by which we can shift our state of mind and body and that might at first come as a surprise because we think vision as this thing that we have to see colors and motion etcetera but the two little goodies in the front of our skull. Our eyes are actually part of our central nervous system. So a lot of people don't realize this but your neural retina. The little light sensing piece of the is in the back of the. I kind of like a pie crust. Her actually two pieces of your brain. That were deliberately squeezed out during early development. So they're the only two pieces of your brain that are outside the cranial vault as we say and those little pieces of brain have an enormous impact on the state of the rest of your brain. So it's fair to say that what you see and how you view the world literally has an incredible impact on your state of mind respiration breathing also on your state of mind and body but the reason is the following our visual system is not just for seeing objects shapes and colors etc our eyes have to functions so much in the same way that our ears are responsible for hearing but also there's a balance mechanism in there are is are responsible for detecting shapes and colors etc but also for telling the rest of the brain whether or not to be more alert or more relaxed and the most fundamental way that arise do that is communicating time of day the presence or absence of sunlight to our central circadian clock and then the central circadian clock which is really just an aggregation of neurons communicates to the rest of the brain and body whether or not for instance metabolism should be higher. Metabolism should be low whether or not we should feel like moving or feel like lying down and not moving at all but are a number of ways in which the visual system works on fast time scales to adjust our inner state and one of the most simple ways that it does. That is one that normally happens when we're stressed or relaxed. But we don't recognize it. So for instance if we are very relaxed our pupils change shape of our lens. Changes such that. We actually have dilated vision. We see the entire environment were in so called panoramic vision when we are stressed or we are excited about something. The pupils dilate the shape of our lens changes literally the optics of our changes and the information about the outside world. that's delivered to our the rest of our brain and body changes the aperture of our experience. Our entire experience shrinks we get so called soda. Straw view of the world were looking through soda straws essentially when we are alert or stressed. And we've experienced this but we don't normally notice it happening so much like breathing our experience of life whether or not we're alert or stressed excited or com changes are patterns of breathing. We're all accustomed to that. Are breeding speeding up. We're holding our breath in anticipation but as well our interstate drives changes in our visual system. The aperture of whether or not we see the big picture or we have a very contracted view of the world but both those things breathing and vision also run in reverse meaning if we change our pattern of breathing. We change our interstate if our state changes are breathing changes. So it's reciprocal. It's bidirectional likewise with vision when we were excited or stressed the aperture of visual window shrinks we get that soda straw view of the world when we are relaxed the aperture of vision expands but as well it runs in both directions. If we expand our view of the world literally force are our visual field or just a. It's very easy. Actually you can do it no matter where you are right now if you just trying to expand your visual field not by looking around or moving your head or is but by trying to see yourself in the environment that you're in so you literally dilate your views you could see the ceiling and the floor and the walls if you're inside or if your outdoor as big an aperture of your visual field or your your visual environment as possible. So you're directing your attention to even though you might remain looking straight ahead you're directing your attention to as wide a peripheral view horizontally vertically as possible. Is that what you mean. That's right exactly so essentially if you keep your head and is mostly stationary. You don't have to be rigid about rock steady but if you look forward and you expand your field of view so you kind of relax your eyes so that you can see as much of your environment around you as possible to the point where you can see yourself in that environment. What you do is you are turning off the attentional and believe it or not. The stress mechanisms that. Drive your internal state towards stress. This is why when you go to a vista or you view a horizon. It's very relaxing. Because you naturally go into panoramic vision when you're indoors you're looking at your phone. You're looking at computer or camera or something of that sort or you're talking to somebody or an intense conversation. You may not notice it but your entire visual field shrinks too much smaller aperture and that drives an increase in alertness in internal state and we sometimes call that stress if it's a negative experience if it's a positive experience we might call that love or obsession or fascination but the important thing to realize. Is that both vision. And breathing have a profound and very rapid effect on our internal state of mind and body and it runs in both directions are internal state that could be triggered by a text message or hearing something that somebody says dr changes in our breathing and our vision but are breathing and our vision can also drive changes in our internal state and so that article in scientific american was a discussion about how we can leverage the visual system and the respiration the breathing system in order to take control over our internal state. Because it's not just twenty twenty with stressful. It's that our internal state determines everything. It doesn't just determine if we feel like we're having a hard time falling asleep where we're having a hard time focusing for instance it also determines how we batch time how we analyze where we are in the world in terms of our lives. Spent a good example of this would be when we are very stressed. We find slice time. This is why when people are in a car accident or something. They might report that things were in slow motion. They're actually your frame rate increases whereas when you're very relaxed your frame rate slows down and when we are relaxed. We get so-called perspective. We are able to say well. This too shall pass or by can place the stressful event in a context. So one thing that's just fundamental tower. Nervous system works is that we are constantly placing our experience both our immediate and past experience as well as our anticipation the future into some sort of larger context and our visual system literally how we are viewing the world at that moment dictates how we create perspective in terms of states of mind. Sounds a little bit abstract. But it's actually boils right down to optics of the eye and very concrete things like how you move your eyes and how you view the world. This is super fascinating to me. Because i've thought a lot about breathing and how on one hand breathing is a function of the autonomous nervous system. When you're asleep you don't have to consciously inhale and exhale but simultaneously. It's this almost api into your autonomic nervous system because while you're awake you can control and direct and modify your breathing for that direction -ality but i've never thought about it from the from the visual perspective and disa- quick bit of trivia that is out of left field but nonetheless came to me that people might find interesting. Is that the dilation. This hyper dilation of pupils is. I don't know how much it is associated with arousal or sexual arousal but for those who've ever heard the word bella. Donna is a plant the reason it's called bella. Donna beautiful woman in italian is that it used to be turned into a tincture and it. It is a psychotropic and it is also very dangerous. Don't recommend people consume it but many many years ago hundreds of years ago women in certain parts of europe would create a tincture and put it into their is hyper dilate their pupils because it was thought to be very very attractive and beautiful woman. Could you speak to how one can think about using their visual apparatus or stimulating or not stimulating. There is their visual system for say sleep if one wants to optimized for sleep what are some considerations and it could be that it could be other inputs. But i'd just be curious to know how this fits into sleep for you personally. Our light viewing behavior has perhaps the strongest effect on our levels of alertness and our capacity to fall asleep. And get a good night's sleep and this is because at the fundamental layer of our biology every cell in our body needs information about time of day. It's no coincidence that we have a collection of neurons over the roof of our mouth the so called super cosmetic nucleus. that's our central circadian clock. It informs every cell in our body about time of day but it is deep in. Our brain has no access to light so there are a collection of neurons in the either. So-called mellon ops and ganglion cells where sometimes called intrinsically sensitive photosensitive ganglion cells. Caesar just neurons in the back of your eye. Remembering course that the is actually part of the brain that's outside the skull and those neurons communicate to the central clock when it's daytime and when it's night so the simple behavior that i do believe everybody should adopt including many blind people we've talked about why that is is to view ideally sunlight for two to ten minutes every morning upon waking. So when you get up in the morning really want to get bright light into your eyes because it does two things first of all it triggers the release of cortisol a healthy level of cortisol into your system which acts as a wakeup signal will promote wakefulness and the ability to focus throughout the day. It also starts a timer for the onset of melatonin. This sleepy miss hormone. The hormone of darkness as they say melatonin is inhibited by light so by viewing light first thing in the day you set in motion these two timers one for wakefulness starts immediately and one for sleepiness. That starts later. The key thing here is that people are hearing a lot nowadays about avoiding blue light. Blue light is so terrible. Turns out that blue light is exactly the wavelength light that triggers activation of these cells. And that's exactly what you want early in the day so people generally will say. Well maybe i should just look at my computer and my phone first thing in the day well it turns out that these cells are very hard to activate early in the day and very easy to activate at night so it's kind of like the biology is encouraging us. If you will to take on the right behaviors which are to get outside. Even if there's cloud cover there's a lot more light energy a lot more photons. Coming through cloud cover. Then you're going to get off your phone or a computer. An early in the day to ten minutes outside without sunglasses is going to be really beneficial for a huge range of biological functions and brain state is made a practice of in the middle of nowhere and the country right now of of getting up and not necessarily doing a full workout but just jumping rope for literally two to five minutes to ten minutes outside facing the sun where the sun is relevant and they're surely in effect moving so there's an effect on court as all as you noted a cortisol. Gets this ridiculously bad rap across the board as guys. If you don't have cortisol you're dead. So if you like having storing agenda and breaking it down into glucose zone you it's important to have some cortisol there's a tremendous for me mood elevating effect of this exposure. And i'm just. I really have never familiarize myself with the mechanism by which that would be the case. And certainly if it's placebo take placebo but do you have any explanation for why that exposure can have such a mood elevating effect. It's definitely not placebo. That morning light exposure is going to trigger the activation of dopamine release dopamine being this essentially feel good modulator. That the best way to conceptualize dopamine is that yes it's part of the reward system but it's really the molecule of motivation and positive anticipation. That's really what it's about. And i should mention that the cortisol is going to be released in a pulse once every twenty four hours no matter what that's coming as we call it an intrinsic rhythm but you can time it by viewing light and or by getting exercise early in the day. There are actually data to just kind of emphasize. What happens when you don't do this. There are really nice. Data from my colleague david spiegel slab co published with great. Bob polski a few years ago. David's are associate sheriff psychiatry at stanford and they showed that if that cortisol pulse shows up later in the day and especially if it's around eight or nine pm then it's associated with depression by shifting that cortisol pulse earlier in the day. You ameliorate some of the symptoms of depression. And because of the dopamine release you get this overall mood enhancement therefore things that really time our circadian biology and these mood mechanisms properly in a line for sleep and the most powerful timekeeper as they say site gaber. Germans discovered this mechanism. Initially the most powerful timekeeper side bar. Todd they're better than his light when you view light. It light is the most powerful stimulus for your biology in central circadian clock. Then it's exercise so it's your protocol of jumping rope facing the sun. You're layering on timekeepers. You're giving more signals to the central clock and the rest of your body about when to be active and you're also indirectly singling when you want to be asleep later. Then it's feeding a lot of people fast through the early part of the day. Now that's very fashionable. And i do that as well but were you to eat early in the day that can also help. And then the other one is social cues so interacting with people early in the day or with your dog early in the naveh dog had live alone with my dog. So that's how i interact with the world a socially but those things are going to create wakeup signals and your body will start to anticipate them in. Your brain will start. -ticipant them such that. If you miss it for a day you're still gonna wake up and feel that alert and a signal early in the day so this is not something that you have to do every day but ideally do it everyday because it's like setting a clock or watch properly and i should mention that for people that in areas with very dense cloud cover you can use light boxes and things of that sort but irrespective of that in the morning and during the day and anytime you want to be alert you wanna flip on his many overhead lights as possible. This is because these cells in the eye that trigger activation and alertness of the rest of the brain and nervous system reside in the lower portion of the i. They you the upper visual field now. The inverse of all this is also important as you approach the evening were nighttime and you want to go to sleep. That is a time to start avoiding bright lights of any color. Not just blue light and if possible to place whatever lights are present in your environment lower in your visual field so this would be desk lamps. Most people don't have floor lighting dim the lights if you wanna wear blue blockers or do something of that sort. That's fine but i think people have taken the blue blocker thing a little too far by wearing them all day. That's actually going to disrupt your circadian clocks so in the evening you really want to avoid bright light of any kind and again. It's an averaging if you do this every once in a while you go to the bathroom rule the night or you have an emergency and things are really bright for one night's not gonna screw you up. However there was a paper published in the journal cell a few years ago by my good friend and colleague at the national institute of mental health is named sammer who tar. He's the head of the chronobiology unit at the national institute of mental health. And would sammer's lab showed. Is that bright light exposure of any wavelength between the hours of about eleven pm and four am cause a serious disruption in the dopamine system such that in subsequent days you have a disruption in a lowering of mood difficulty in learning. There's a cascade of things that happen. In other words get punished for light viewing at the wrong times of their circadian cycle. And we get rewarded for viewing at the correct times of the circadian cycle Let's talk about the latter portion of the day before. I get to that though just for my understanding if one sam wants to target going to bed war more accurately feeling sleepy enough to go to bed easily with rapid onset at ten pm. Is there a preferred time to get that exposure early in the day in the sense that if i'm doing my ten minutes of jumping rope facing the sun is it best to have a certain distance temporarily from what i want to go to sleep. Yes it's about fourteen to sixteen hours prior to win. You want to sleep the ideal time to get that morning light exposure and if we want to get a little bit technical about this we can and i'll do my best to make it clear because there's also a way that you can use this mechanism to shift your circadian clock to avoid jet lag and shiftwork. I'll just ask you so. What's your typical wakeup time. Not getting up and milton. I'm using the restroom necessarily and then going back to see but when you finally get get up and get out of bed what what time does is that. Typically i would say when. I'm living my best life and not not being marty from back to the future. I usually seven o'clock us. Just say okay. So seven o'clock is your average wakeup time. Then we can be pretty sure that two hours prior to your natural wakeup time is what's called your temperature minimum. It's when your body temperature was lowest. That temperature minimum now should be clear. We don't need to know your actual temperature. No one needs to know their actual temperature minimum. But you can count on the fact that two hours before waking up your body temperature is close to or at its lowest point and to be clear this would be if you are waking without an alarm clock right that if you following natural rhythms correct so if you view light i should mention that you have to do this light. Viewing behavior with your is. That might seem obvious but some years ago there was a paper published in the journal science. Which is one of the three apex journal. Science nature cell and it stated that light presented to the back of the knee of humans could shift their circadian clocks and that paper was retracted by the same authors that published the study there was a technical flaw. Humans have no extra ocular reception so we need to tell those cells of the body. What time of day. It is essentially where we are in time by light. Viewing behavior with the is blind. People do this a little bit differently. Some blind people actually still retain these so-called mellon ops and sales people without is at all maybe from a burn victim or something they they are going to use social cues and exercise and other things but most everybody on the planet. Does this through light viewing behavior. So when i say get light light in your eyes obviously never so bright that it's going to damage your eyes. You'll know if obliged to bright because you'll want to close your eyelids. That's a simple rule of thumb. But the key thing here is that if you view light in particular bright light in the hour or two before that temperature minimum so for you. Tim that would be between around three. Am or four am. It's going to have the quality of delaying your circadian clock. What effectively do is make. You want to stay awake later and it will make you want to sleep in later the following nights however if you view light in the hour so immediately after that so called temperature minimum so this for you. This would be six. Am or seven am. It's going to shift your clock in the other direction. You're going to want to go to bed a little bit earlier and you're to want to wake up a little bit earlier the next night. Now if you hear this you're probably thinking well. My clock is always more or less in the same place. How come it doesn't jump around. I wake up. I view light. How come not going to bed earlier and earlier every night and waking up earlier and earlier the reason is there's a second time of day which is in the evening as the sun sets where circadian clock is also vulnerable again to these shifts and typically because most of us are viewing light in late afternoon. All of us are naturally having our clock shifted so that we want to get up earlier and go to bed earlier the next night and morning. But we're also delaying are a little bit in the afternoon. Now we can make this all very simple. The simple thing to do is within thirty minutes of waking up get bright light exposure in your eyes and not from a phone or from a screen because it won't be sufficiently bright. Get it from sunlight. And if you can't get it from sunlight you can use one of these light pads. I don't use one of these expensive wakeup clocks or something like that. I bought an led drawing pad like a train table like the artists cheat mechanism. It actually says on it. I forget the company says nine hundred and thirty lakhs. You can find these very inexpensively online and that's going to work great. I just said it at my desk. In the morning of it's very overcast and all work now it is important to get outside because even though your windows or the windshield of your car is optically clear. It filters out a lot of that blue light. That's important for your circadian clock so to ten minutes of light viewing early in the day. And then you can do yourself a great favor as well by going outside in the evening or late afternoon as the sun is approaching this what we call low solar angle because that will also send another signal to the brain that it's evening so there's a morning stimulus and an evening stimulus. This only takes a few minutes each day. And what's key to understand. Is that the cells. In the of your body they're going to have all these rhythms of liver function and metabolic function. Your brain is going to have its rhythms of alertness and anxiety and sleepiness providing multiple signals. So for you exercise in light in the morning and then in the afternoon a little bit of light is going to tell your system in a redundant way but in a powerful way. These are the times to be awake. These are the times to be asleep. And if you like we can talk about evening behavior but that temperature minimum is worth knowing because if ever you are traveling for instance to europe what you can do is in the two or three days before you can just set your alarm. Wake up around your temperature minimum of maybe an hour before. Turn on some bright lights in your home so you get bright light exposure and you will start to shift your clock forward. That nine hour jump can be accomplished in about two days. If you do this correctly and the reverse is also true. You could shift your clock earlier if you like. And when you land in europe if we wanna get down into the weeds when you land in europe you have to be cognizant of what. Your clock is back home. Remember your temperature minimum. It's much more important than where you are in your new environment. That temperature minimum is an anchor point. Remember light viewed in the hour before that temperature minimum will make you want to go to sleep later and wake later light. Viewed after that temperature minimum will make you want to go to sleep earlier wake up earlier. Let's talk about. It's something that is a principal topic and that is sleep aids specifically love to get your opinion on various supplements or prescription medications for that matter. That people might use. There's a huge list of things that people could use on the prescription side. Certainly you've got the nba. And the and so on then on the supplemental side. You've got melatonin very popular. You have california. Poppy i mean. There's a long list of various supplements. I would love to hear your thoughts on. At least two of these one is melatonin because of its popularity and then. The second is actually phosphate. It'll searing so p. s. for short and using it to blunt cortisol release after going to bed. Now just be curious to know if you have any opinions on those or any others that you would advise against or advocate for or us personally. Sure so i'll say why. I'm not a fan of melatonin. When i was a graduate student i worked on. The melatonin system. In the circadian system and one of the most powerful effects of melatonin is to suppress puberty. The melatonin system is closely linked up with gabba. Inhibitory neurons in the hypothalamus. It effectively keeps puberty from happening. So the melatonin rhythms of young children. Prepubertal children are not as phase. They're pretty constant and that's one of the reasons they don't go into puberty. There are many other reasons. They don't go into puberty until a certain triggers are set but melatonin has strong effects on the sex steroid hormones the pathways related to estrogen and testosterone. And i think it was the one experiment that i did where we took working on these little Called siberian hamsters. These little hamster who in long days because they are seasonally breeding animals. in long days these siberian hamsters have testicles well that at least for serbia and hamsters are pretty impressive size. If however you inject those animals with melatonin or you put them into short days you increase the amount of darkness. and you decrease the amount of light remembering. Of course that light inhibits melatonin. Their testicles shrink to the size of a grain of rice. So i don't know if this was my male ego or something. But i saw that experiment and i thought wow this is powerful stuff. This melatonin stuff and it turns out in females of the same species. They leave astros. They stopped cycling. They don't have menstrual cycles. They've estra cycles. And there are powerful effects of melatonin the reproductive access now. Humans are not seasonal breeders and we have a more robust sex steroid hormone axis than that but especially for children but also for adults. It just seems to me that melatonin has a number of other effects that are worth considering enough effects that i tend to avoid now i should also say that most of the concentrations of melatonin that are in supplements are ten to one thousand times. What the endogenous internal levels would naturally be so people. Taking melatonin are seeing dramatic effects. But you're taking super physiological. Levels of melatonin. We all kind of balk when we hear about people taking thousand milligrams of testosterone scipion ada. Week which unfortunately from certain people do but this is the equivalent of super dosing. Sleep hormones and these hormones that have other issues and other roles. I should say in the body. So that's why. I veer away from melatonin. Also there are three things that i personally found to be much more beneficial. That seemed to have very good safety margins. Of course everyone needs to check with their physician but those three things are magnesium three and eight t h r e e or by glycemic magnesium bug licensed magnesium three and eight and magnesium license are able to be transported across the blood brain barrier more readily than other forms of magnesium. I know you know a lot about this topic. Tim so correct me anywhere. I might miss speak. But like for instance nineties. Eum citrate is a great laxative. Goes by another name to you can imagine what it might be. That will remind you that it's a it's a great laxative. What it's not great at inducing. Sleep magnesium three native magnesium bike license a two hundred four hundred milligrams about thirty minutes before sleep is a powerful sleep aid. People with heart issues might not wanna take it or might want to check with their doctor. But i take a cocktail of magnesium three and eight and then to other things one is very commonly known which is seeing t h e a any two hundred to four hundred milligrams of theme can create a kind of a hypnotic state. Help you fall asleep. Basically falling asleep requires turning off your thoughts and the only people should really avoid cnn. I think are people who suffer from sleepwalking or night terrors. It can create very vivid dreams and then the third thing is apple jenin. Api and i n which is a derivative a camel but it acts as a chloride channel agonised it essentially helped shut down the four brain by hyper polarizing neurons and all this kind of stuff for the aficionados if they want to know so that cocktail of fifty milligrams of epa jenin three hundred or four hundred milligrams of three and eight or by lysine. Eight and two hundred to four hundred milligrams of for me has been the best way to consistently fall asleep quickly and stay asleep most if not the entire night which for me is about seven eight hours and of course. I'm not a physician. i'm a scientist. Everyone needs to figure out what's right for them but many many people who i've recommended this to have told me that in combination with the morning light viewing that their sleep has been completely transformed. They thought they were so called insomniacs. But they actually. We're just having a hard time turning off their thoughts and probably their cortisol was drifting too late in the day to that cortisol point this is fascinating and i. I just find it. Endlessly interesting. that different forms of magnesium can be so target specific with respect to different tissues in the body so so fascinating with respect to cortisol and needless to say. I have used fussell starring before sleep to help blunt cortisol released but i do cycle. I use it as needed really. If there's a lot of rumination had a particularly stressful day but do you have any thoughts on whether or not you would ever do that personally. Or if you'd be too concerned about side effects long term side effects as suppose that could be a larger issue if you just never cycling off but do you have any thoughts on using different compounds to blunt cortisol. Release if you're over ruminating and what sort of minimize that in this case stress response while you're trying to sleep i have not tried. Ps i use actual gonda from time to time. If i'm in a particularly long bout of stress one of the things that i think is relevant here is that we hear about stress but as terrible but of course short term stress buffers the immune system activates the spleen to release killer cells and things of that sort. We are more robust in fighting infection in the short term from pulses in cortisol. But i would say we can define term stress as if you are having sleep disruption or you're feeling like you're in that wired and tired mode. We don't really have technical name for this for more than two or three days. You're starting to enter the realm of long-term stress and that's where buffering cortisol can really help. And that's where. I started to take some gone too late in the day. There's good evidence that can buffer cortisol. I do cycle it. So i'm not going to take it every night or every day. I would probably stop after a week or so and then just go back to my normal regimen which doesn't include oshawa gone now but i always have some on hand. I have to say that i certainly use and enjoy the benefits of supplements many of them in fact but the practice that for me has really helped reduce stress and allowed me to fall asleep more easily and control my state of mind late in the evening. Is this practice that some people call yoga negro which literally means yoga's sleep and that practice of taking twenty or thirty minutes a day and it doesn't have to be done every day and lying down and doing a sort of body scan. It involves some long exhale breathing which is very relaxing to the nervous system and really allowing the mind to enter one of these pseudo sleep states. We know from working in my laboratory and work. That i'm doing with david spiegel's laboratories well as work from other labs that state of shallow nap or shallow sleep done in waking allows the brain to and the person to get better at turning off their thoughts and falling asleep in the evening so i i use both behavioral tools and pharmacology. Which of course is really what supplementation is. I don't have any problem with buffering cortisol a little bit in the short term. 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Draw and the yogurt communities of anything but rather because many people are averse to doing anything that has a name like yoga knee dra and yet it's such a powerful tool. It's zero cost tool that has enormous effects on not just accessing sleep and calm but enhancing rates of neuro plasticity. Something that we could talk more about. Also david spiegel again. Our associate share. Psychiatry at stanford and close collaborator and friend of mine is a world. Expert in clinical hypnosis. We are part of a just in full disclosure. We both sit on the advisory board of a company called reverie dot com reverie as as zero cost app on android and apple. That has short hypnosis protocols anywhere from ten minutes fifteen minutes hypnosis and yoga both fall under the umbrella of sdr non sleep depressed and these are protocols that people can use to deliberately access states of depressed for sake of again falling asleep more easily reducing stress but also for enhancing rates of learning of neural plasticity. And because these zero cost tools. I and because they're grounded in excellent peer reviewed research. I feel comfortable mentioning them. And what you find. Is that if people who are not familiar with meditation or mindfulness or maybe they're not from west. La or the bay area here yoga they think magic carpets and they think the here hypnosis and they think that somebody's going to control their brain. Ns dr is my attempt to create a more friendly language which is because all of these things are really just the same thing. They really involve two things. One self directing state of calm. That's something that we never learned how to do unless we have a need to do it. We suffer some trauma. We have chronic stress. We start taking a mindfulness class. We self inducing. A state of calm through respiration and vision is the hallmark of yogindra and hypnosis and frankly of all meditative practices our thoughts. Follow our vision in breathing. And i can explain why that is in a moment. In addition these ns dr type practices involve not just self directing calm but they also involved directing our focus to something. We generally have a hard time falling asleep because we think we have to turn off our thoughts completely like a switch but the transition to sleep involves allowing thoughts to become fragmented and then we become relaxed and then the brain enters the state where space and time are very fluid and not under our conscious control and those are things that we can teach ourselves. So you'll need your scripts are found all over youtube. There's some great apps out there. The zero cost ones. That i use are any of the stuff by combination k. a. m. i. n. I decide he. S a i. I like her voice very much. Some people like my sister loves liam. Gillen's voice another zero cost yogindra tool liam gillan a double l. l. n. You have to find voice that you like. The reverie app is david's voice. He has a very hypnotic voice and there are scripts in there for smoking cessation stress anxiety sleep etc these. I really want to emphasize. In addition to being zero cost are very powerful tools. If done regularly there are two papers that were published in the last two years from cell reports and sell press journal excellent journal showing that a twenty minute. Non sleep depressed protocol after a bout of intense focus or intense attempt to learn anything skill learning or cognitive. Learning accelerates plasticity by about fifty percent. So you are learning faster much faster and retention of that information last much longer. And that's because these are sleep like states and we know that neural plasticity the brain's ability to change in response to experience is triggered by high focus by deliberate periods of very high focus but the actual rewiring of neurons the formation of new synapses in the reordering of the circuitry that leads to that skill or that cognitive ability becoming reflexive that happens in states of deep rest and non sleep depressed and sdr whether it's noses or yoga or shallow nap of about twenty thirty minutes. Those things will all accelerate learning. Let's hop around a little bit yogindra. I on the ns. Dr study that you mentioned the increased implicity which i'm assuming measured by retention recall etc. But perhaps it wasn't if you could send afterwards a link to that study. I'll put it in the show notes for listeners who interested we've touched on breathing in a few different capacities. I have term in front of me. That seems kind of self explanatory. But i don't know what form it takes physiological size contrasted with other breathing methods for stress reduction. Could you define what that is a few years ago when my laboratory got interested in studying stress in humans we asked ourselves. What are the patterns of breathing that allow for the most rapid reduction in stress levels and more importantly what are the patterns of breathing that can be done in real time so that people can adjust their stress while they're still engaging in life breath work classes running off to esselin for a weekend as a magical experience but life demands pressing on you. That's typically when you feel stress so it is still true that vacation long meditation retreats and massages or nice drink. If you're of drinking age still work. But they're slow and they take you off. Line the physiological. Cy is a pattern of breathing. That was actually discovered by physiologists in the thirties. And that was essentially re discovered by professor jack feldman at ucla a world expert in the neurobiology of respiration and by my colleague mark krosno at stanford who studies lung function the physiological. Cy is a pattern of breathing. That we all engage in in deep sleep when levels of carbon dioxide in our bloodstream. Get too high we or our dogs. You can see your dog do this. We'll do a double inhale followed by an extended exhale children or adults for that matter that are sobbing and lose their breath so to speak will also do a double inhale exhale. That's the spontaneous execution of what we call the physiological side. The reason it works so well to relax us is because it offloads a lot of carbon dioxide all at once and the way it works is the following our lungs are not just two big bags of air we have all these little millions of sacks of air that if we were to lay out flat there will be as big as about a tennis court or so the volume of air therefore and the volume of carbon dioxide. That we can offload is tremendously high except that we get stressed as carbon dioxide builds up on our bloodstream and kind of a double whammy these little sacks deflate now where we do a double inhale. So i'll do this now twice through my nose or you could do this or you could do it through your mouth but it works best. Reno's it's inhale and then you sneak a little bit more air in at the very end when you do that you re inflame those little sacks and when you exhale then you discard all the carbon dioxide at wants so the simple way to describe this protocol. Is that unless you are underwater. You do a double inhale followed by extended exile and you offload the maximum amount of carbon dioxide and we've found in our laboratory and other laboratories have found that just one two or three of those physiological size brings your level of stress down very very fast and it's a tool that can use any time. I do hope that people will kind of watch other people or dogs as they start to relax. Go down to sleep. You'll see this pattern of breathing. But again it can be consciously driven the other thing about breathing and the reason why exhales are so vital is the following. I know there's a lot of interest nowadays in heart rate variability. Well most people don't realize this but your breathing is actually driving heart rate variability. So when you inhale this dome shape muscle beneath your lungs. Your diaphragm actually moves down. Because the lungs expand it moves down when you do that you create more space in the thrash cavity and you actually. The heart gets a little bigger. It actually expands as a consequence blood flows more slowly through that larger volume and the brains quickly sends a signal down to the heart to speed the heart up. The short simple version of this is inhales speed. The heart up when you exhale. The opposite is true. That dome-shaped muscle the diaphragm moves up. The space in your throw cavity gets a little bit smaller. The heart gets a little bit smaller. Blood moves more quickly through that small volume and the brain sends a signal to the heart to slow the heart down. Physicians know this as respiratory sinus arrhythmia. But this is the basis of what we call. Hr v. heart rate variability and the simple way to remember this is anytime you emphasize exhales in other words making them longer than your inhales you are slowing the heart rate down your calming your system anytime you emphasize inhales you make the more vigorous or longer than your sales. You're speeding up your heart. I'd like to come back to hypnosis for a second. I've never been hypnotized. Nor maybe i have self hypnotized and just not realized. That's what i was doing. What characterizes hypnosis or how would we define that and do. The states induced by hypnosis have any shared characteristics with some of the states induced by any psychedelics. So hypnosis is a state of calm and high focus so context is restricted. It's like looking at something through a telephoto lens you're eliminating the surround so it's a state of high focus which normally as we talked about earlier with the aperture of the visual system would be associated with a high degree of excitement or stress but hypnosis is a unique state because you have a high degree of focus but you're very relaxed and just to remind people that neuro plasticity is triggered by states of high focus followed by periods of relaxation. Later in deep sleep or in non. Sleep depressed in hypnosis. It brings both those states together at the same time. And this is one of the reasons it's effective in excel operating neuro plasticity. I could probably do it right now to see if how hypnotized will you are. There's actually a test. A clinical tests called the spiegel. I roll test. Spiegel's father was a hypnotist and a psychiatrist. So these i want to be clear. These are not stage hypnotists. These are board certified. Md's and phd's who there's a lot of scientific research to support what we're about to talk about so typically when we get sleepy when we're relaxed our eyelids close. Our eyes go down and the chin goes down. The induction to hypnosis involves doing the opposite looking which actually believe it or not creates a state of alertness. And then having you close your eyes so it creates a kind of conflict in the cranial nerves. That enervate the i. I live mussels again. The is in your state of mind are so intricately wired back there in the brain stem so if you could look up toward the ceiling tim with your eyes open and then just while still maintaining gaze if you could just slowly close your eyelids a boy. You're really hypnotize. So did you see that was Comfortable i know it's a little bit so so for those of you listening are watching you. You sort of look up towards what sometimes in yoga communities or meditation community called the third eye center. We don't actually have a third. I but if we did it would probably be someone decided it would be between our two is on our forehead so by looking up your inducing alertness and then you're creating this conflict. Where we're i asked you to close your eyelids. Which is what you do when you're in a state of sleepiness and what spiegel both spiegel senior and spiegel junior have figured out is that. It's a very good predictor. Of how hypnotized are you can look up the spiegel iro tests and what i was looking for is. Let's say if somebody is not very hypnotize. -able what will happen is as they close their eyes. They'll have a hard time closing them. Slowly they'll kind of snap shut and there is will roll forward in other words. I'll see their people's again. What happened when i saw you do this. Is that your eyelids. Were closing very slowly. And i saw the whites of your eyes. Your eyes were starting to roll back into your head so you would have a score of probably about a four which is very hypnotize. -able i'm about a four some people you'll just notice you say look up and then slowly. Close your eyes and there is will just kind of snapshot in their eyes will roll forward right before it snapshot so you can do this experiment of sorts on people that you know and it predicts pretty well how quickly or easily yo you will go into hypnosis as you mentioned that no one will go into hypnosis if they don't want to but if you're interested in exploring hypnosis with the reverie app or with a clinical hypnotists and your eyes roll back the way years. Did tim your home free. You're going to be long facing for amazing. Could maybe i'll start speaking in tongues to does have a good Good associated look with it. How would you explain the utility of hypnosis. And then i wanna hear if there are any sort of correlates to some of the known effects of psychedelics and that's a wide spectrum of class so we could choose. We could choose your giving compound but what what are the clinical applications because in my hypnosis naive mind i think. Smoking cessation isn't good for quitting smoking. Isn't it good for really just these anecdotal reports. That i've read a one point or another but what's the clinical. What are some of the clinical applications or practical applications of hypnosis for smoking cessation. If people do the practice about sixty to eighty percent success rate depending on the study. You look at these. Were all blinded controlled studies in terms of anxiety relief. Those are tremendously strong. Effects as many as ninety percent of people are going to feel significant improvement in anxiety for pain management for chronic pain. There's a high degree of success. So you know. People will vary depending on how hypnotize until they are in how regular they are about the practice but anywhere from fifty to seventy five percent of people will experience a significant reduction in chronic pain. And if they are using pain meds they tend to be able to take lower doses of pain medications in order to manage that pain. So it's it's quite powerful now for trauma and things of that sort it. It needs to be done with a clinical. I would hope board-certified. Md clinical hypnotist and their the success rates are quite high as well. And if you want more research about this inside the reverie app there's a long list of resources you could also. I can send over a good review article that david's written in these are again published in very fine quality. Peer reviewed journals of the new england journal. Jama sort and things like that in terms of similarity to psychedelics. They are quite distinct. Actually so hypnosis. Being state of high degree of focus and relaxation is a bit similar to some of the so-called psychedelic so md assisted psychotherapy which appears thanks to the support and work of people. Like you and the maps group and the group hopkins in particular matthew. Johnson and i realize there are other people in that mix but it's it after just say as a as a point. It's it's really exciting to see what's happening and the enthusiasm about safe building safety protocols that people can access after so many years of people having to do this kind of renegade or in unregulated environments. Mta creates an a very atypical state. It's a state of high dopamine release. Typically dopamine is associated with a focus on things external to us dopamine being a molecule associate with motivation and reward makes us want to do more of things that brought the dopamine whether or not that's food sex online viewing of any kind etc. That's not always dad online. Viewing online viewing whatever that is the best way to describe the effects of dopamine. Are that. there's a book actually quite good book called the molecule of more. And that's a great way to describe. I wish i'd written that book. I read the book. And i wish i'd written this book because i love the nerve modulators systems and it is the molecule of more and actually anyone that thinks that dopamine is about pleasure not motivation or seeking more consider this. This is a an anecdote. I borrowed from my colleague anna lemke. Who's in the department of psychiatry at stanford. The next time you eat a piece of chocolate or you engage in a behavior that feels particularly delicious notice the sensation and the thoughts in your mind. It's rarely about complete presence and desire for staying present. It's usually a desire for more is this. I want more of this. Please as opposed to really basking in the experience. And i should mention that. Anna has a wonderful book coming out in august called dopamine nation. She was in the social dilemma. She's an addiction therapist and psychiatrist and talks a lot about the dopamine system so dopamine makes us want more of whatever feels really good and that tends to place an external focus serotonin another feel-good molecule is exact opposite. It tends to make us feel good with what we already have. It tends to be the incredible feelings of of warmth that holding a child or a loved. One or time. With your dog. I have this bulldog costello and there's times when i just sit with him and i feel immense pleasure just being there. I don't think i want four bulldogs. In fact i definitely don't want four full talks. The snoring is loud enough already. But it's about experiencing the here and now in full incomplete way. Mt is unique. Because it creates huge increases in dopamine and serotonin at the same time. And we don't ordinarily see that in natural experience and it has this unique property of making people feel very excited and positive about their relationship to their internal state and so it has a kind of looping back of a mechanism that normally would place us in the viewing of the exterior. What's out there. What can i get more of. Who can i interact with more of. What drug can i take. more of. That's going to make me feel this way. So empty may is very unique. And i mentioned it because it has certain correlates with hypnosis in that. It's very focused state in fact so much so that let's just say i could imagine that if you're hearing music and you focus on that music can really kind of start to merge with the music whereas if you focus on your internal state you can merge with your internal state. And that's why. I do think it's important that some of that if people are doing in a clinical setting ba- guided because otherwise experience can be sort of lost on whatever is external other psychedelics of the sort like suicide and they have a very sleep. Like state they tend to be more serotonin urgent in nature and they are very similar to sleep in the sense that space and time become very fluid. Whatever top down governing mechanisms exist in the brain so called you know executive function. Some of that seems to be disrupted enough so that inside of those psychedelic states and in certainly inside of dreams. Anything can really happen. And you can essentially see an appreciate novel associations that normally wouldn't occur in waking states. We should remember that. The two extremes of human experience are stress and or excitement so highly contracted visual window. Highly contracted time domain. Everything sliced very finely. What's happening next what's going to happen next thing. You're in the line at the airport and the first in front of you is moving slowly. And you've got a plane to catch everything constricted to right. They're both in space and time and then sleep wherein sleep space and time are extremely fluid. Anything can happen and you are essentially out of control. Mentally is just whatever's going to happen you can have it. Psychedelics are very much like that except that in. Lsd insisted states. You're alert so i would say that silla sivan and lsd like states are similar to hypnosis in that way but hypnosis has a little bit more of a rigidity too it it set toward a particular focus like let's work on your control over stress or smoking or pain and so i would say the three of them occupy neighboring spaces but none of them overlap. Completely that'd be so curious to see some type of multi modal study and they've been done but looking at pharmacological interventions combined with hypnosis rights if we made hypnosis the the default sort of control state and then you had an arm that was comparing hypnosis plus fill in the blank not necessarily psychedelics. Certainly when you could it could be an intact agenda and pathogen like md may could be trip to mean like suicide then or could be like a financial mean like mescaline which has very different effects. Certainly i think it michael. Pollen does a good job of describing this in his new book. Your mind on plans. Entire section discussing the the meskel inexperienced which is really in a sense an amplification of the real in high resolution certainly dose dependent versus transportation. Allow the trip to means like lsd or or saban. That'd be very very interesting to see. It would have to say you know as usual your five years or more ahead of everybody else. Tim and i don't say that for sake flattery. I mean you have a you have a way of spotting the horizon. And i think we are so caught up as a culture now in asking what should we do. What should we take. What device should i use. I always say you've got behavioral tools. We all have to eat sooner or later. Nutrition supplementation prescription drugs off label and on label and the brain machine interface devices for reading and writing to the nervous system and body for measuring things and changing things and we always think of those as separate bins. But as you're pointing out. I think the most interesting ben is to consider. Well maybe at some point a learning bowed is going to be three hundred milligrams of alpha and a particular breathing protocol. That will have a synergistic effect. I think that's where the real immediate future of beneficial brain change laws. And i think even the folks at neuralink guy that came up through my lab. He's a neurosurgeon math. Mcdougal is at neuralink now and they have other excellent neuroscientists there and you can be sure that they're thinking clinical issues. I and they're thinking obviously brain machine interface and chips in robotics and things of that sort. But you can bet just given who makes that company roster that there're probably also thinking about ways to accelerate plasticity using a combination of brain machine interface and pharmacology. And if they're not thinking about that they definitely should so. I think for the typical person who's not getting planted chip beneath their skull. I think you're hitting the nail on the head. Which is that. We need to think about what works independently and combining those for sake of synergy. That's what's gonna get us where we need to go much faster. I also think just to build on what you said and thanks for the kind words that when you look at these possible synergistic combinations you could also end up in. This is not a certainty but it's a possibility having much more appealing risk benefit calculus in the sense that if you can lower the required dose of a pharmacological intervention if you can lower the exposure necessary with some type of neurofeedback or neuro stem like a tea or any of these other tools. If you're able to lower the required doses of several things when they're used in combination and get a similar or better outcome it just has such incredible ramifications for the for the clinical use of these things. Let's take a step back here. So now we've covered a bunch of the research we've covered a bunch of the tactical practical implementations of some of the research findings. Now i want to paint a picture for people who don't who don't know you at all we've already covered castillo. We have not discussed the fact that you have looks like full sleeve. Tattoos on both arms. Outed me yeah. There's you're the first the first yup birthmark. They're all birthmarks. They're all birthmarks kids. Don't start because like potato chips. I get just one and we may get to aqua scaping. That's a whole separate conversation so we may get to that. But i wanna. I wanna rewind the clock for a second because i read your bio impressive bio you've received numerous awards. You've produced a lot of incredible with your colleagues in your lab. Let's go back to what happened to you in july of nineteen ninety four so in july of nineteen ninety four. I was living in a little town called isla vista which is near santa barbara. It's the home of uc santa barbara university of california. Santa barbara just as a little bit of background. I was not a good high school student. I had a very disrupted highschool experience despite growing up in a in a good area just a lot of tension and stuff at home. So i barely finished high school but i followed a high school girlfriend off to college. Somehow i got in at the time. I wanted to be a firefighter to fire science courses at mission college in the south bay and i thought it'd be a firefighter and put that my entrance exam and somehow they let me in but by the end of my freshman year of college i had terrible marks had been thrown out of the dormitory living for getting in fights. Something i'm certainly not proud of and i was basically doing nothing that summer. I was living in a squatting. I was living in an empty house because a lot of the houses were empty. I figured pay rent. You know living in an empty house with with my pet ferret and to source at the context. Right i was i think i was still grappling with a lot of anger and resentment and confusion based on having a rather confusing teenage years and a lot of disruption fortunately i'd formed a lot of friendships and formed a community in the skateboarding and punk rock culture. I was fortunate enough to get to know a lot of guys that have gone on to do great like my friend. Kara watson is adidas skateboarding. I i spent some time and got to know although we weren't close friends with the great anyway probably the great one of the greatest skateboarders of all time jumped great wall china. But i wasn't a very good skateboarder. I was not a musician. I knew how to do. Essentially nothing well and july fourth nineteen ninety four. I went to a barbecue with some friends and some guys were robbing the house that we were having this party at we came back from the store and we saw these guys essentially taking a bunch of possessions out of the house and the thing erupted into this big fight. This huge melee. I definitely went in excited to fight. Yeah i've been involved in fights before. And i had a an adrenalin seeking thing. I felt like it was justified. I'm certainly not encouraging anybody else to do this. But essentially what happened was my friends took off my so called friends took off and i ended up in a fight with a four or five guys. Knives came out bottles. It's the sort of thing where quickly you realize that things go badly wrong. Fortunately stayed on two feet and nobody got badly hurt or killed. The police showed up and actually because of the fact that they were robbing us. They actually congratulated me. I'll never forget. This is actually what made me feel. Worst of all one of the police officer said like nice work or something like that. And i just realized that i was in serious trouble. Nineteen i barely finished high school. I barely scraped through my first year of college. I'm living in a squat with my ferret. My girlfriend had left me. I didn't do anything well. I didn't know how to do anything well. And so that day and i still have. This letter actually sat down. And i wrote a letter to myself and to my parents saying that i was going to turn things around. I don't know why i wrote to them. Because at the time. I was kind of avoiding contact with them entirely. I've since formed a really good relationship with both my parents but i decided that day that i would use a one power that i seem to have which is to remember facts and information and what i did was i. I left santa barbara. I took a leave of absence. Went back went to a local community college in the bay area. Two quarters there. And i just started studying like a maniac first psychology. Biology eventually fell in love with neuro science and related themes of endocrinology and and the rest is history in terms of going to graduate school and getting a phd in coming professor tenured and all that stuff but it was one of those moments where i realized i am no longer going to be young. Screw up i'm going to be a twenty year old screw and with time. People are going to be less and less forgiving. Whatever it happened prior. No one's gonna care. It doesn't even really matter. And if i do want people to care and it's not like i have a need to talk about the challenges early on but i need to get my act together. I need to do something. I need to get good at something and so i became a kind of a maniac. Actually when i read your book the four hour workweek and the and the four hour body which i read and loved and own. I should say again now for sake of flattery because they they really helped me. There are a lot of useful tools in there. There were certain things that resonated. I figured out that. If i drank a lot of coffee and took certain supplements i could focus for many hours and if i worked out i built another capacity and if iran i built another capacity for endurance and and i started to explore the crossovers between weightlifting. Is one thing it's not about building muscles are necessarily. Maybe it's about that. It's about really moving against a physical force in real time and really learning how to do that. Endurance work is about learning how to push through a different kind of barrier. And learning the carryover and crossover point. So i was the guy that would sit down at my desk. I i decided to live alone in a studio apartment. And i would set a timer for several hours and i wouldn't allow myself to get up. I was allowed to listen to rancid best band ever for me on. Repeat and bob dylan. That's all i. I wouldn't even allow myself to change music. And then i would just sit there and i would read my text books textbooks right my text books and i just decided i'm going to get straight aim marks. I'm going to go to graduate school and get a phd. I should mention there. Were people that came along at various times and helped me role models mentors people that spotted that but it started with a switch that flipped on july fourth nineteen ninety four and getting in a bad fight and here i am deciding to choose the different paths i want to underscore or explore a few things and i really appreciate you sharing this because i think it's very easy for people listening to folks with a bio like yours to sort of assume a certain trajectory to assume that it is always come easy and that you've always since you were two years old known exactly which direction you're heading which is not the case one clarification with uc santa barbara. This might be an important point. It might not. You did not drop out. You took a leave of absence. Is that right. Is that material to the story. Because i know in a lot of cases there are folks who are of painted as dropouts but in fact they kept their options open by taking a leave of absence instead so clarify yes. A leave of absence is a mechanism that most universities have. I think it was designed for things like family situations if gets pregnant or they have a family member who sick that allows you to leave and come back. And it's distinctly different from dropping out. Although i was pretty close to dropping out of being forced to drop out for reasons relating to poor grades and poor behavior. Fortunately that didn't happen. I think it's a really important point because we hear that bill gates dropped out of college. Steve jobs dropped out of college. Mark zuckerberg dropped out of college. I think maybe it was ryan holiday who. I don't know who said something like that. The people who are doing poorly in college. They're the ones that should stay in college. Because it's the one environment where everything scripted out for you what you need to do. In order to hit the next metric of success and a leave of absence is very different. None of those people dropped out of college. They took leave of absences. That gave them an insurance policy that they could go back if they wanted to. And it's very hard to make it back into a system of any kind but it certainly is much harder. If you completely divorce yourself from that system. I am a believer informal rigorous coursework. I'm a university professor. I know that college isn't perfect for everybody. It's a mighty me the wrong decision for certain people. But if you're still uncertain about what you wanna do i think if it can be arranged financially and it's in the scope of things that somebody might want to do. I think learning how to sit down in a chair and force yourself to learn and then compete with others in terms of. How will you learn that information. I think is a great way to evaluate oneself early in life and it sets the stage right. I agree with them. If you're open to it and certainly you can say no or we can talk about it and then you can elect to have. It edited out of the conversation but you mentioned tension and stuff at home disruption. Are you open to sharing a bit more detail about what you mean when you say those things sure so i had a pretty magical childhood really. My dad's a scientists. My mom wrote children's books and was the teacher. We ate dinner as a family. Everybody together in the early part of my life. I acknowledged that. I had great privilege in having that experience and growing up where i did good schools. Good public schools completely acknowledged the benefits of that especially early in life around thirteen. When i was thirteen. My parents split up and either because of the time in which it happened or because they weren't equipped with the right. There was a complete fracture of that picture. My dad was very much out of the picture at that time. My mom hit a series of challenges adjusting. I think it was what could only be described as a a major depression. I think her view of family was one in which everyone stuck together no matter what. She's from the east coast. She's from new jersey. Like you stick together to. We had an argument the other day. I don't think she wanted me on this and like we got on and we were ready to scrap. And we haven't had one of those in years but i just remembered that at the end of this conversation we're going to be okay and at the end we were closer so we both have that and i think for her the fact that there was a complete disintegration of the picture my sister my dad out of the house me there. She really hit the skids and home. Became a very empty very quickly. Became a very empty and depressing place. It was really. It was just really sad and i found care and love and community in the world of skateboarding. This was the early nineties. And there was this collection of mostly young guys at that time who would aggregate embarcadero plaza justin. Herman plaza in san francisco. I started going up there and hang out at the famed. Em be. It's kind of a golden era reputation now and that's where i learned that you don't have to go to school. A lot of guys not going to school. There was a lot of drinking lauded drug use of while behavior but also i should say of amazing skateboarding and amazing characters and personalities and fights and everything it was true streetlife and so i started staying there. I'd stay people's houses or sometimes we'd even sleep there. And i learned a lot about how people outside the cozy suburbs of the south bay. How they lived. I'm grateful for that because it exposed me to the fact that many of these kids had no parental oversight from any age that they had to scrap for but quickly. I realized that i wasn't very good at skateboarding. I didn't have a future in it. And i wasn't going to school. My home. life was really disrupted and i lapsed into a pretty serious depression and anyone who's experienced depression. I hope this will resonate with although i. I'm sorry that it exists. But there's this weird thing about depression which is that it changes your actual view of the world. I remember leaving embarcadero. Sometimes and looking up at the sky back then they had the embarcadero freeway and thinking. The sky is so sad like not. The sky is a third as in separate object but that this scene of the sunset is so sad and actually yesterday. I was thinking about this. Because there's a beautiful sunset. Where i live and i thought gosh i haven't felt sad at the view of the natural world in so long it's and so it was clearly a shift in my internal state and fast forward. What happened was eventually the school picked up on the fact my highschool picked up on the fact that i wasn't going they called me in at some point. I was sitting down with a school counselor. And they had this guy in the room with me sitting there and pretty soon. I realized that i was in a different kind of situation. And i realized they were going to probably try and take me away because i was completely true. I hadn't gone to school. I was clearly depressed. So that's what happened against my will and despite an attempt to run away i was taken to a place up the peninsula which was neither a juvenile hall norris psychiatric hospital but we were under lock and key and i was in there with kids that had dealt with everything from sexual abuse to hardcore substance abuse. Issues i'll never forget this. They said the kids in the in the war next door. They're crazy because they're really young. And the in the word on the other side. They're crazy but you guys. You're not crazy and i thought that's ridiculous because i was saying the same thing to the ones that other side but i had no one to call. I called my skateboard team manager out of sympathy. Not because i was any good. I got put on a on a wheel company in a truck company for skateboarding and i called the guy and i said i don't know what to do. I'm in this place. And i'll never forget. He said look. I can barely take care of myself. And you're the most normal guy. I know and i realized at that point. I'm like i'm really alone here. So the long and short of it was. I did the work. I put my trust in the counselors. That were there. They seem like good people. And you know i did the work. But it's part of an agreement for getting back into school. Actually it's part agreement for being let out. I had to do weekly therapy. And i was fortunate enough that i got placed working with somebody who understood my particular needs worked with adolescence and really encouraged me to start exploring my mind a certainly the situation. I was in but encouraged me to start meditating. He gave me john collins book. Wherever you go there you are. He saw how much physical energy i had. And he encouraged me to start running. I was always hurting myself skateboarding. And he said well maybe running or swimming and running and swimming or amazing. Because unless you really do it wrong you can go and go and go. It's just an. I could burn off all that anger and and energy over time and then i started getting into weightlifting and and weightlifting's kind of a double edged sword. I should mention. I think it's one of those things that is great but you know if you exceed a certain size it can actually make people kind of scared. You sort of like the tattoos thing like a lot of the reasons. Why cover up tattoos because then people just see the senior tattoos but it's true. I start getting tattooed pretty young the wrong way. Don't do this way with india ink and a needle. This was before autoclaves. That don't do it. But i decided at that age. That the therapy and this one person who seemed to really care about my mental and physical wellbeing and would spend the time was really worth investing in and hid it from everybody because no one did therapy then. No one talked about it. It's like late. Eighty s early ninety. Nobody did that. And i will confess. I don't think i've ever said this publicly. But i found a way either through insurance or through my own income. I've continued therapy with that same individual now for thirty two years. Wow and so i do. I confess i do three sessions a week of psychoanalysis remote or in person and i know people have a lot of they do the other kind of ira. Not the spiegel. Ira test the other. Kind of our own psychosis i think. An exploration of the mind is extremely powerful. It has to be done with the right person. And there's only one person. I know who's done this kind of extended work for so many years. And that's the late oliver sacks who's a kind of a hero of mine also worked with a psychoanalyst for many many years and so psychoanalysis a fight on on july fourth nineteen ninety-four. A lot of attempt to both stabilize my mind and also organize my behavior. Those things go hand in hand of course but also biology to leverage. I you could call it biohacking. We call it. I just biology. When i learned for instance that taking a thousand milligrams per day of epa essential fatty acids not just fish oil but getting above that threshold is as effective as antidepressants in double blind placebo. Controlled studies you know. When i saw those papers. I realized well i probably have a bit of a leaning toward depression. I'm going to do that now. Did i do that and drop therapy. No therapy and train and try and work on my sleep. It's a constant process but biology and the information contained in books like yours. And hopefully the information that i'm trying to put out into the world now. That stuff helps in a major way too so it was a multipronged support system and many incredible mentors along the way but i was definitely at the edge. I know you've talked about this public. I mean there were times. When i just thought like why continue and i'm fortunate nowadays. I feel very far from that. There's a saying in the in the world of addiction and addiction treatment. Which is that no matter how far you drive. You're always the same distance from the ditch that i would say is true of addiction. Fortunately at least in my own experience that is not true of depression. I vowed to never go back to a place where living seems meaningless. And anyone who's been close to that place. All i can say is. The work works whether or not it's therapy. Biology et cetera. You have to do. And there are things that can accelerate that process. But it's an ongoing battle to be honest while you're fighting the good fight man dump certainly right in there with you. How does it feel to talk about this stuff. it's interesting i was getting a little quickie on this. I would say they're only two things that will always consistently make me cry and and those are the thought of. I don't even want to talk about for too long. 'cause i prefer not to cry but a one would be when my dog costello goes that we're very bonded and he's close unfortunately so he's in his final years and the other is when i think about my mentors in particular one passing away talking about this gets me in a mode where it's uncomfortable. I'm definitely uncomfortable this moment. I'm okay to talk about it. Because i think these issues are important and i wholeheartedly believe that many people struggle with them you know. I'm always conscious of protecting the people my life. Who were doing the best. They could with what they had so my parents are good. People that generation didn't have the tools that i had access to. And i do hope the next generation and we'll have access to more tools so i want to protect them they are. I'm blessed. i acknowledge my privilege. I and i don't say that for political reasons by the way i just want to say. I acknowledged that. I was born into a pretty fortunate very fortunate situation that provided buffers and my own experience but i acknowledge it as real. Thanks for sharing all that and a mutual friends has prompted me to ask about the hoffman process. Oh yeah the hoffman process. So the hoffman process is a personal development process. It's a full immersion weeklong processing. It used to be two weeks. I don't want to give away too much about it because if one were to go you want to have the experience for the first time without expecting or knowing what's coming it involves a lot of both physical and emotional purging and what's interesting is generally between twenty and forty people go. You don't publicly share any of the issues that you're grappling with. There is a teacher there that you communicate with and who knows a lot about your situation and there's a lot of work that you do beforehand and paperwork so they really know closely what you're grappling with and you get to know people there but there are strict rules. No romantic relationships. No discussion of politics. No discussion of work. No discussion of sports quickly find that you realize that you spend a lot of time thinking about and talking about those things in the outside world and be that there are other ways to connect with people that are very authentic. that don't involve those things. Often process was one of several things for me. That was transformative for me. It was most transformative in the realm of forgiveness. I felt completely resolved of my challenges with inability of focus complete works structure etcetera solved all that. I learned how to work hard perform well by time. I went to often which was in my early forties. I'm forty five now. I learned how to control my physical landscape as best as one could or should i went there thinking like why would i go here. What's the purpose in going. And yet i. I realized that. I harboured a lot of resentment mostly toward family members but also toward experiences in and people outside my family and i got kicked out of hoffman. The first day not for misbehavior. But because i slept through the first day. I've been working so hard. They kept saying we're trying to escape by sleeping and i'm like i'm just tired. Like they take really good care. They take really good care of you there. I've actually never felt so nurtured. I'm not somebody who accepts during very easily. I like more of a caretaker and a more kind of caretaker loner type than Being taken care of and hoffman date. I felt comfortable to be taken care of in certain ways and i discovered in doing the work that there were all these resentments and i was able to purge those resentment and i have to say it completely erased all feelings that i was wronged by anybody or anything and that's powerful and it's completely behavioral nature. There's no pharmacology. There i would say hoffman is among the two or three things that were maybe four five things that were really transformative for me and there is a price point but they do have a scholarship program. That's been established thanks to the generosity of various folks so for people that can't afford the price point they do have a fairly simple scholarship program. Where you write something out. People who are practitioners therapists and in the wellness community. I think also get a break of some sort. I have no business relationship to hoffman. But i've recommended that several people go and it is powerful and it does last. In fact the reason i decided to go to hoffman was because somebody actually a mutual friend of ours. Tim who i don't think went wendy. Y'all who i know from way back when we haven't been in touch in years. But i think she said something. About hoffman and. She said she knew somebody who went. And i contacted that person. And that person said i went to hoffman and ten years later it's still has a profound positive effect on my life and i found it to be more useful than any other therapy or training of any kind. That's my hoffman story. And it's powerful and for people who want to hear more about hoffman. I talk about it at at length also with blake majkowski in the last conversation. I had with him so people can find that that episode you mentioned one of four or five things. What are some of the other things that have had a disproportionate positive impact. This is a broad category. But get your biology right. Start with sleep. Figure it out figure out how to get your sleep right because it's the fundamental layer of mental health. So get that one right. Other things in the biological category learn how to focus. Learn how to focus on how to flip the switch on learn house. Flip the switch off. Get good at sleeping. of course. exercise of various kinds is going to be good and all the other things but those that physical been and those are the primary. Levers there i do. Think some form of exploration whether or not it's psychoanalysis psychotherapy journaling or some sort of internal reflection that somewhat unregulated but obviously not damaging to you or anyone else said don't punch concrete walls but have the ability to sit down and data dump and reflect if you can't afford therapy reflect on what you're seeing and reading and feeling have the ability to experience what's internal so that'll be the second one. The third one is an. I realized there's some issues around legality and things right now. everything's in transition. I was part of a clinical trial. So i can safely say this you know. I do think that there are certain aspects to. Let's just call it what it is either plant medicine or i was part of. Mda assisted psychotherapy trial. That was extremely valuable. There's no question to me that that's a powerful mover of one's ability to feel comfortable in internal state. The way i would just briefly. Describe that experience for me as that. I could feel and perfectly fine from here to here from the belly button down but i had this feeling always that i couldn't kind of experience things in mind and body at the same time. I know this is gonna sound really wanna go to people who maybe haven't experienced this. But somehow in that brief experience i was able to resolve that. And i now experience my nervous system as a complete entity and i do not people should cowboy the stuff and do it on their own or trying to therapy for their friends or do this on their own. I don't think this is something that people should play around with. These are very powerful tools. You should do this with a board. Certified md sign up for a clinical trial. Hopefully this will be done in. You know in these sorts of medical settings soon legally. and you don't have to be part of a clinical trial but if you struggle ongoing in some way. I do think there's utility there so that's another been and then there's another been which for me has been very powerful which stay on the adventure. Continue to have fun. It's so easy to forget to have fun when you're doing all these other things like stay in the adventure and don't get killed doing it but really try and keep exploring. I do believe these. Dopamine systems are positively reinforced by novelty and exploration. We know that and by venturing into new territories and that requires getting certain things wrong. It means going to retreat. That sucks it means taking a class. That is not that interesting. It means finding out that particular relationship is not right for you but it's important to stay in a mode of adventure because that's fundamental to the human experience and its fundamental to these neurochemical systems as well a couple of points. I'd love to underscore here. So the biological piece you've discussed in other places this principle to quote of sorts of maxim that i think is really worth remembering and i'm saying that to myself as much to anyone listening that is you cannot control the mind with the mind and whether or not there might be exceptions to that. I think as a general rule through using the bi directionality. As you've mentioned of sort of body mind mind body. And you know when in doubt working through your fuller. Biology is incredibly powerful. I mean for me to get out of my head. I need to get into my body. There's just no meta cognitive way. Generally for me to otherwise do that or if there is it's just much more difficult even told my girlfriend. I'm like if i'm trying to figure out what is bothering me. And i spend more than like a half hour on it. Just tell me to go to the gym and lift heavy things for at least thirty minutes. Best remedy in. And then i come on my bullshits find. It doesn't matter and that's what was necessary on the adventure side. Actually before i venture side just a quick note on castillo because i think a lot about my dog molly and mortality. And it's just it's so easy to get sad. And how old is she. She's seven but she's had some health issues. She's at a two spinal surgeries. And if you haven't looked into the canine research with rapamycin. I would look into that. It's very very compelling so. That might be all do that. I listened to your podcast with peter. Tia and a lot of discussion about rapamycin i. I'll definitely check it out. Yep it's it's worth checking out. There's also a separate episode with david sabatini of mit. Who is a genius. And i and i am tour wizard. Who sat family his brother. Bernardo sabatini famous neurobiologist at harvard. Who i know quite well dad. There's another sabatini who is at nyu med. So though sabatini's birds burgess covered. His son discovered the structure of are. They both got nobels. And i think they're brothers something like that. So if you're if you're thinking about changing your last name sabatini or corn. Berg is a good one two to select not not not bad. Yeah they come from the secretariat stock scientific gene pool on the adventure sites. You said don't die or don't let something kill you. Which i think is a perfect segue to as i'm reading. It from a paragraph from outside cuban was about forty miles off the coast of mexico and forty feet below the periwinkle surface of the ocean. What does this refer to. Yeah so before. I went to hoffman. was still working the quick back story. This is in twenty sixteen. I decided i was gonna shift a lot. My laboratory work toward humans. I understand the issues of animal research. And why it's important. My lab still does work on mice. Because there's certain things you can only do on mice. But i want to work on humans and i want us virtual reality to induce fear in the laboratory and study stress and fear and other brain states and we realized that. Vr as it stood at the time was just pretty lame. It was computer generated. Images didn't have three sixty video or sound. And so i got linked up with a guy named michael muller. Mu l. e. r. Who's a very very famous photographer in. Hollywood mostly does all the marvel staff his shot. Everybody the you can go to his website. It's just it's just a constant scroll of iconic images mulhearn. I got to be friends. And the reason i was excited about getting to know him is because a hobby of his is that he takes photos of great white sharks underwater. He brings these giant strobe lights underwater and muller. Is you know you hear about the character of the wolverine. Hugh jackman muller is a wolverine. He's kind of hunched over. And he's the nicest guy in the world but it was like we was immediate friendship but he loves adventure. He's got he's got a family kids everything but he loves adventure and he said this is my best muller personalities eyebrow. You gotta come down to guadeloupe. Sharks are there. And i was like well. What are we gonna do. And he's like well. We'll just film them with three sixty cameras. So in two thousand sixteen we went down there and we filmed great white sharks as a stimulus for this fear laboratory that we were building and got three sixty video in the way we did that. Was that muller and a couple of other guys. He's expert great white shark. Divers would leave the cage. You lower the cage about forty feet blow and they leave the cage to come back in so called cage exiting definitely illegal to do. We got permits from the mexican government. Because this was for a scientific study. I would've loved to see that permit and processor anyway continue. That was something else. So we we got the footage brought it back. Built this thing up and then what happened was in the subsequent year. The technology for vr really improved so we decided we were going to go back. And i decided for whatever reason that i was gonna cage exit. Also i actually learned how to scuba dive for the first trip. But i'd stayed in the cage and so the second trip we went out there and i brought a good friend of mine who actually a mutual friend through blake majkowski. Pat dawson is a former former seal team guy. Brian mackenzie because brian learned brian. Mackenzie learn how to scuba dive in a lake. In oregon and his first ocean dive was cage. Exit with great whites has scared tattooed on his knuckles. I know he was featured in in a number of your books so is brian pat me and some other guys. We went out there with the intention of getting better footage to create a very realistic. Vr experience of great white sharks. So what happened was on the first day i decided. I'm not gonna cage exit today. Wet pat go. He's a seal team guy. He'll do it he did it. Of course masterfully the first time when a few meters beyond everybody. 'cause those guys aren't competitive or anything anyway. It all worked out. But the first day i was in the cage so i went down. I've been in the cage before and your breathing off a hookah line which is up to the surface. You're not on scuba and the reason you don't bring scuba is because you don't want to take up too much space in the cage so the other divers muller and a couple of other guys had left the cage and i was there just watching the sharks and really enjoying it. I'd been down there the previous year and these great white sharks. Their girth is incredible and they come at you like a volkswagen. And they'll stop right in front of you and hover the eyeball you and then disappear into the darkness. So it's really amazing. And i realized as i was down and i'm like i'm alone in the cage. This time i've ever been alone in the cage. We had a lot of sharks days. I was moving around and swivelling around a lot. And then all of a sudden. I had no air nothing. Just nothing coming through the mouthpiece and i looked up and the line got all boa constrictor it up so i popped up to thinking august. Untangle this thing and it's hard as concrete could so i took another suck of air and nothing and i looked down their safety tanks in the two corners. So i spit out. The mouthpiece dropped down in the open. Them up and the needle doesn't move their empty. This is like the biggest nightmare. And we were talking about costello. I had one thought at that moment. A totally inefficient use of mental space. But the one thought was. I'm going to go home alive. I'm going to see costello. He just doesn't really does happen. Apparently so nothing off the safeties tanks. So i decided i gotta get outta here when they're sharks everywhere but i've got to the surface and you're just desperate for air so i pop up to the top of the tank and i've got a weight vest on and i've got a take that weight vest off if i want to get up to the surface. Now the sharks actually don't eat you when you're outside the cage. You're swimming toward them. They actually if you loom on them. They steer away. That's the way that these caja exit divers are able to avoid getting eaten or if you're ocean ramsey you just kind of understand them and you swim next to them but i was genuinely frightened and stressed and so i thought okay i'm gonna shoot for the surface. I could see the silhouette of the vote. I'm going to shoot for the surface. I'll either get eaten or i'll drown. But i'm certain i'll drown if i stay here. And then what happened was one of the divers. His name's brock saw me and started kicking back toward me and he's carrying this. Big vacuum cleaner is the thing and that felt like an eternity. You know he's coming back to me back slowly so i'm just hoping if i pass out i wanna fall into the cage if i float. I want to make sure i float up but it was a good twenty or thirty more seconds which doesn't sound like very long but it's not like an eternity was attorney so he made it back. We did the share air thing but then we had a whole other problem. Which was that. we're sharing air. Those guys are out there. Were now on one tank and the safeties are empty. So now there's a chance that we both might have to shoot for the surface so fortunately everybody made it back in time and we got up to the surface but i will never forget that experience. I do feel like i'm on borrowed time. And i did feel quite traumatized by it and i will say that that night i did one thing and the next day i did. Something else was that night i was able to sleep. I did yoga ninja. And i was able to calm my mind and my nerves and the next day because i i understand a bit about the relationship between trauma exposure. I did go back down the very next day. And i cage. Exited and some people might think foolish. I certainly didn't do it to be tough or does seem like a tough. I did it because facing the trauma is the best way to purge the trauma. We know this and cage jackson for me allowed me. I believe to report the experience. I feel nothing in my body. No tension no stress. No quaking or anything related to that. So i do think it's been completely purged. One dig into. I read as a definition of fear from you and just to hear more about your fascination with fear and where it comes from so here. Here's what i have and you can fact. Check this place quote fear. It's the anxiety that you feel when you don't know. What behavior can remove feeling of helplessness in the face of a threat end quote. Does that sound right to you. You can't have stress without anxiety. You can't have trauma without stress but you can have stress or anxiety without trauma. I think that the key variables are anxiety is a state of heightened alertness contracting in the visual field quicken either heart rate breathing all the kind of standard stuff that we hear of sympathetic nervous system activation but the mental component is one in which time has being sliced very finely constantly anticipating and evaluating your environment and your internal state because oftentimes people are aware of their so-called terror -ception. They're keenly aware of how nervous they are upset. They are and this element of uncertainty of being unable to predict when it's going to pass and this creates a kind of meta stress is sort of like when people have trouble sleeping than they create this kind of meta anxiety and insomnia. They're now they're stressed about not sleeping. And so then it makes it even harder sleep the same thing with stress the more we stress the more we want the stress to pass and i think that resolving the uncertainty element is powerful and i think it starts by taking control of the mind through the route of the body when our mind is not stable. Whatever that means but we're not able to control our mental state or it's not where we'd like it to be. We need to look to the powers of respiration of vision of movement of weight training running to reorient the mind. I think it is futile to try and rescue thinking with thinking. Now it's not to say that thinking and exploration of the mind. Like psychoanalysis journaling is not powerful but for restabilising our system these brain states of mind and body i think the body is the more powerful entry point and have you always been fascinated by fear or why why did that become a focal point. Probably because i was the kid that was last to drop in on the ramp. Probably because i have lived and existed with a fair amount of fear. This seems to have gotten better over the years. For instance. I can remember skateboarding home. There's this bike path that used to connect the school that i went to the back of some houses and i would push back through their night and i would start to imagine that terrible things. We're going to happen to me. I think that fear was that was strong default. And i can't assign that to any earlier experience i think i just had a lot of baseline anxiety and fear and so resolving that and figuring out tools that people could use. I could use also to resolve those things really fast has been a major a major effort of my life including my laboratory. I'd like to if it's okay with you. Shift gears a little bit and just pepper you with a bunch of random questions that have absolutely no continuity with anything. We just talked about that. The all right because i just i have this scratch pad full. These various things that i want to ask about often without a whole lot of context just from from various reading and so on so term effects on. Dhcp could you elaborate on this dat dihydrotestosterone. I'm guessing. What should we know about. Dat in terms affects on dat. And i ask in part because it's something that he's all the time and cooking. There's seems to be some research to suggest that products like thera- human. I believe it's called is the brand name might attenuate some risk related to say neuro degenerative disease or alzheimer's so i'd love to know more about this. Yeah so brief. Endocrinology lesson on saas to stone is the androgen. Of course that's responsible. For muscle growth deepening of the voice aggression sex drive at cetera but dht dihydrotestosterone is made from testosterone through an enzyme called five a duct tapes. Dht is the more powerful androgen anywhere from three hundred to six hundred times. The affinity for the gen receptor hd is the end its affinity for the receptor not to incidentally is the basis of nandrolone deca known in jim circles actually a female runner. That was a good pick for the fifteen hundred. Just got a four year ban oops drone positive test. She claims in her coach. Claims came from a burrito containing plus with nandrolone. I actually would love somebody to go. We're gonna see more of this in the years to come. I'd like somebody to actually analyze meat for clenbuterol nandrolone. Did you see the. I'm not happy that this happened. And it's it's a sad situation but we could fairly say that there's been a dark shadow. Cast by a burrito over the olympic qualification. All the sprinters were diagnosed as narcolepsy fix. Remember that with miguel. Yeah they're all panel on various stimulants and so they had these scripts from their doctors and letters saying they're all narcolepsy. It's just amazing. The ven diagram to get them quick out the blocks races one here that gun and get out the walks us. Nandrolone is deca. The reason people take it whether or not she took her noble reason people take it as because dht as the more powerful androgen with this higher affinity is the one that's mainly responsible for libido and many of the cognitive effects of testosterone one of the more powerful effects of testosterone is that because of the fact that there are androgen receptors in the amid. Dula that it has a fierce suppressing component to it and dht testosterone. But really he has a property of making effort feel good. That's probably the main psychological effect of testosterone aside from effects on on libido. The body periphery so some people are very hd sensitive for instance that takes creating and experiences hair loss very quickly. You're probably she sends that's because creating increases d. hd dht will promote hair loss on the scalp like my heroines retreating quite nicely now because of dat receptors here and it promotes beard growth so has these inverse effects on the face and on the scalp but to merick is a fairly potent h. Antagonised now whether or not it does that by occupation of the andrew. Jim receptor or some other mechanism. I don't know people will vary in their sensitivity. I am very sensitive. To merick if i take turmeric my hd levels plummet. and i'm not taking nandrolone nor am i eating pork burritos but the the sensitivity will vary and you can kind of predict that sensitivity by how you react to create if you're somebody that takes low doses of creating which many people do and experience hair loss. Chances are when you take tomb. Rick you're going to see a reduction in d. h. T. means that your five alpha duct tape system and or this interaction between tumor in the gym receptor are for whatever reason more sensitive in you. Some people take to merick and feel perfectly fine. I noticed a an immediate blunting of all the good stuff. Let's say that d. h. t. and testosterone. Do when i take even a minimum of tumor. Now that doesn't mean. I can't have a little bit of tumor. Ain't gonna drink like a juice drink or something but dosing turmeric is not something that i do or that i recommend for people now. Women do make a little bit of. It might be a whole different story with them. But i i think for men. You probably want to do the experiment. It's quickly reversible. If you stop taking turmeric so you can evaluate this. Some people fine. You could do a blood test you can do it. Subjectively is finance. Dr propecia that is often used for mitigating hair loss. That is i think it's a five alpha. Reduc tastes inhibitor. Would that also have the effect of decreasing d. h. t. levels wanna say they're anecdotal reports and people. Please do your own homework to go to bed and do some research. But i want to say that least among strength athletes that i've heard anecdotal reports of propecia use correlating to decrease in strength gains for sale athletes. Yeah absolutely and it certainly can reduce hd levels certainly more for those that are sensitive to it just to underscore how powerful hd is. We have what are called. Primary and secondary sex characteristics secondary sex characteristics are like body hair. Deepening the voice etc but the primary characteristics like the presence of a penis or not and this is independent of gender biological sex. It's encoded by the y chromosome that's entirely controlled by d. h. t. during development and masculinization of the brain is a separate pathway. But there's this phenomenon that i think is in the dominican republic a genetic disruption in some of these pathways and. They're the people can look this up the so-called doses this famous story in endocrinology of children that it looked female at birth by genitalia. And then because of a surge in d. hd later they literally sprout penis at about and testicles descend about age. Twelve whoever doses. Wow and there's a whole story there. It actually was part of the story that helped neuro endocrinologists and developmental biologist. Understand the role of five alpha. Reduc tastes into saas conversion to hd fascinating biology. They're much too much. Go into now in detail but you'd be people can look it up online h. powerful in development and it's powerful throughout the life span. So you want to keep levels of d. h. T. appropriately high. But don't take nandrolone if you're sprinting in the olympics. So that's not the way to get your nandrolone is not the way to get your de- hd even if you do get it through through anabolic piggies just like. There's so many more cost effective ways to make pigs grow deca rabble and injections probably not high on the list. They need natty menus menus that her. Like if you're olympic athlete please just prepare your own food. Yes exactly so so many directions to go here. It makes me wonder. Also if anyone has looked at turmeric or curcumin or whatever the actual compound is responsible for this d. hd inhibition whether it's via five alfred or otherwise on pregnancy and birth gender wondering if that would have any effect if h. is pressed in a woman who is pregnant if that would have any effect on birth gender. Yeah that's the topic. That i don't think the experiments ever been done. But my post doc. Adviser ben barris was transgendered. And it's an interesting story briefly he was an identical twin. He from a very early age. He felt entirely uncomfortable in a female body. He knew he wanted to be mail from a very young age long before puberty his sister who i've interacted with as well is perfectly happy. Being woman enjoys being woman and they're identical twins and their mother was actually treated with an energetic drug during pregnancy. Ben unfortunately passed away of pancreatic cancer a few years ago. Here's an incredibly accomplished. Neuroscientist and physician is name is barry b. a. r. e. s. There are a number of of obituaries. I wrote one for nature that describes his his life and his transition and some of the biology but nonetheless ben and i spent about a year before he died recorded a lot of conversations with ben that i haven't released yet talking about what it was like to be a girl what it was like to be a woman what it was like to be a man later in life to his close friend of mine. I want to understand that and he described that this was an immediate effect. As soon as he knew there was a difference between boys and girls. He knew that he was in the wrong body. He likened it to if you woke up tomorrow and you were guerrillas body. That's how uncomfortable it was knowing. That's how he described it and he thought that perhaps this early energetic drug treatment might have shaped his brain differently than his sister somehow raises so many so many interesting questions about a fight of estrogens or soon as these zeno estrogens and the environmental inputs that could affect that entire bow chemical cocktail two different different output testosterone. So we've talked a little bit about. Ht there's a goldilocks range depending on your gender and your objectives for testosterone. Are there any particular supplements that you use to a hesitate. Use this word. Because it's so goal dependent but optimize your testosterone or d. h. t. levels or reduce sex hormone binding globulin. Or whatever if you're sort of toying with your andrew jen's had you like to do it optimizing and or understanding testosterone. I think is vital for a men and women because it's so powerful. Obviously get your sleep bright. That's an important one and you do that through. So that's an indirect effect stress keeps dress chronic stress to a minimum. That's an indirect effect train hard but not too long. That's an indirect effect mostly in the supplementation space. There are two things that have worked very well for me. And then i've recommended to a number of people that have worked well for them and those two things. Are tom got ali which at four hundred milligrams per day is thought to reduce sex hormone binding globulin because of for those that don't know strong can exist in a freer bound form. People here's binding globulin bind up. Castro prevent free testosterone. They think this is terrible. But actually albumin in sex hormone binding. Globulin are wonderful because they ensure that whatever estonia make will be delivered to your tissues over a long period of time in different tissues need different amounts of testosterone. And so you don't wanna plummet sex hormone binding globulin but tonga either through reducing sex hormone binding globulin or through direct effects on increasing androgen. Release will increase your testosterone now the way to explore. This and. i'm not saying anyone should do this. You definitely wanna work with your physician but the way to explore this four hundred milligrams per day taking once per day early in the day because it can have a little bit of a stimulant effect making more alert. That works well. It does need to be taken chronically. It tends to work better as you get into the second and third month of use and i don't see any reason to cycle it unless somehow something's spikes on your liver enzymes or something. The other supplement that is quite useful is for doja aggressiveness. Phedot geographic this is one of these plant alkaloids. That comes from a nigerian shrub. Might have that wrong but fedotova this acts as a loot. Nizing hormone mimic. So it actually stimulates the testes to produce more testosterone. So it's like h c g. It's like h c g but it for whatever reason it doesn't seem to increase estrogen which is unique because h. cg will increase estrogen. Now just anecdotally. I started using those in combination. Also it's four hundred milligrams tongue ali. I have no relationship to the company. So i can mention where i get it from. Although they don't sell out as they will as a consequence a solar array makes a good version of this. Sometimes these things are packaged in with other things but celery has a pure form and then for doja aggressiveness. I think it's herbal elixirs. Makes an fedotova aggressiveness. And some people make the mistake of taking far too much doja aggressiveness. I think on the bottle. They recommend three two to three times a day. One four hundred twenty five milligram. Capsule i believe is more than sufficient and anecdotally for me. What state is it. Increased my total testosterone by about two hundred points. So i've kind of in the middle of the range. I was neither high nor low. I was at about six hundred hovering somewhere around six hundred these two supplements consistently bring it up into the high sevens or low eight which is in the direction that i wanted to go. Do you think phedot aggressiveness. If it is luton ising hormone similar. Meaning it's a mimic of sorts. Do you think that would have any. Is it probably would have a sort of down. Regulating effect on endogenous production of l. h. Well what's interesting is when i've done my blood work twice a year at least for me. It did not down regulate l. h. Which is nice. Because things like h c g definitely would down regulate l. h. people who take to saas thrown scipion aid so-called crt or similar wilsey down regulation in luton izing hormone so fedotova and tonga ali. I mentioned because there's sort of an intermediate between doing nothing with respect supplements or taking things that don't really work. There are a lot of those out there or taking the full plunge into trt. And i'll just mention if i may about. Trt there's a lot of interest in excitement rt. They now even see the called sports. Trt which is not just for people who who don't have the context. If i'm not sure if you if you already kind of named it out but to saas thrown replacement therapy trt. so what. Sports do med spa type stuff. So people are probably wondering wait. You're neurobiologist why do you know so much about this stuff. Well i have the good fortune of doing work with various high-performing communities and there's just a lot of discussion around hormone and neural augmentation. And so i'm not making recommendations. I what i generally do with those communities and what i'm doing now is point people to the fact that there there are things that lie somewhere between doing nothing and going the for the prescription drug route eating pork burritos. Yeah exactly exactly in the realm of trt testosterone replacement therapy. The typical dosage is that people use our one hundred sixty two two hundred milligrams a week but the way. It's administered doesn't match the biology. I think this is a serious problem. That needs to be dealt with typically. If you get prescription go in they'll give you one injection of anywhere from one hundred sixty two two hundred milligrams and then you go back two weeks later and you get another injection. The testes normally make anywhere from about five to ten milligrams of testosterone a day. So if you're taking hundred and sixty milligrams of testosterone on one day. You're going to set in motion. All sorts of cascades of aroma does asian industrial conversion into d. h. t. That you might feel terrible than great four days later and then so so two weeks later. The way people are doing this now. More intelligently is to do their injections at home either into subcutaneous lee or into muscle and third or fourth day to take a low dose of maybe forty milligrams and to dose it more evenly because these long lasting forms like scipion. Eight do release over time but sports. Trt is this intermediate. That's been created on the internet where people are neither doing testosterone replacement therapy to get levels up to normal high normal nor are they doing. What the gym rats called blasting. They're not taking three four five hundred. They're taking two hundred a week or three hundred a week and the amount of self directed pharmacology. That's happening out. There is pretty incredible and look. I don't pass judgement everybody your life to live but there are a lot of horror stories to you can really messed yourself up by getting androgen levels too high. I'm a fan of gently and moving into the supplementation space for this seeing how it works doing a blood test and then if people wanna do. Trt over time. That certainly their right. That's not my place to judge in. You need your prescription anyway. I'll talk to a doctor yet. Just a couple of additional thoughts on all of this stuff. What will i. The lower dose higher frequency regimen can also be applied to too many things right. Growth hormone would be another example from the same sort of portfolio of interventions slash augmentation. A lot of folks would use and separately. I would say please please feel free to correct mere fact check on this but whether you're eating pork britos injecting yourself with anabolics of different types or eating deer antler velvet or whatever. The latest fad is that people claim increases to start drone. If you dramatically increase your stran- levels if you are not taking anti-roma tastes you are also going to increase your estrogen levels. Even though depends on the anabolic obviously nandrolone very different from different types of testosterone which some are more edible summer more andrew genyk but if you suddenly wall up yourself with much higher levels of testosterone you are also going to a portion of that will be converted to estrogen and says just something to be aware of did see. It's very hard to get a biological free lunch. And if you're if you're feeding yourself a bunch of stuff and your testes like the siberian. What were they albino rats hamsters yes i buried hamsters. If if you're balls go from whatever you're comfortable ball diameter is down to like raisins you may require posts psychotherapy various drugs successfully offramp from these types of interventions in less like some powerlifters. You're just going to be loaded all year round three sixty five twenty four seven. Which is obviously your your choice if you want to do something like that but suffice good idea to get medical medical supervision for all these definitely and along those lines as you just mentioned well i will say that. For doja tends to have the opposite effect on the testicles it actually will cause it fairly not pronounced but a increases testicle size. That's a pretty strong effect of media. Fact of fedotova. The other thing is that right now. There's a lot of excitement about peptides. People are like. Oh the so-called secreta dogs. It sounds like synagogue secreta. God these are like not not taking growth hormone but taking peptides that promote growth hormone release and then people are taking gastric peptide. This and here's the deal things that make us feel more vital like testosterone d. h. t. growth hormone generally will shorten your life. I know that's a bit of a controversial statement but you step back and to just ask yourself. What is the most vital energetic phase of your life. it's puberty when all these hormones are really high and puberty is the most rapid period of aging that any of us go through. I was talking about this recently with alone jeopardy researcher. And it's kind of interesting that all the longevity the attempts at increasing lifespan or like starving yourself which is out of baltic reducing blood sugar which is counter bolic. And that's on the opposite side of all these things like testosterone which anabolic insulin which is anabolic growth hormone which is anabolic. And so anibal ism sounds like a great thing. Though it does sound remarkably similar to cannibalism but growth and vitality libido strength etc. That all sounds wonderful and in its proper form and context is wonderful. But the reason why i think we see people dying early who do a lot of growth hormone into stone is because they've effectively created a third and fourth round of puberty. You're accelerating aging. And so i think vitality and longevity always have to be balanced with one another totally and we can go for hours just on this one topic one other cautionary note well to actually number one in less. You're type one diabetic. don't inject insulin. there are athletes. Who do this but you can very easily kill yourself. The second is if you're taking a lot of growth agents. Some of them are not selective to skeletal muscle tissue. And you may as a male ended up looking like you're in your second trimester from enlarged organs and guess what when you get off of those drugs your oregon's don't automatically resume their smaller size. This is also why certain baseball players and so on have gone up. Multiple helmet sizes. It's not from poor peritas. Those effects are terrible. You can't just hit undo on those things so very very good points. Pays to be cautious all right so to a few other things cognitive enhancement or cognitive boosting supplements much like the stone playing field. There's a clown car full of ridiculous propositions there are of course then the prescription and medical route or there are certain things that'll help some things like nicotine can be tremendously effective. But come with some possible downsides associated. Do you have any particular thoughts on cognitive enhancement. Or how you think about that. Specifically on the pharmacological supplements. I know there are many other things that we can also talk about. Yeah i'm glad you mentioned many other things. I won't list them out again. But i do believe that the most powerful nutro pick and cognitive support is going to come from quality. Sleep and one hundred percent agreed. So it's night and day on the pharmacologic side. I i think alpha-gpc has real effects that are supported by quality peer reviewed studies including some studies looking at offsetting age related cognitive decline so generally comes in capsule form of three hundred milligrams or so i think taken occasionally or more than occasionally provide. It's fairly early in the day. It does increase focus without increasing the kind of sympathetic arm of the nervous system in other words without increasing arousal and alertness. too much. so i do think alpha-gpc is a useful supplement. And i use it from time to time if i've slept. Well i don't take it if i really want to push a workout hard or a work session. A writing session or data analysis session hard. I'll take three hundred milligrams of that and drink. A couple of espresso drinks some matei and some water stay hydrated hydration a big one for cognitive function. And it's one that people often overlook but the simple rule is that this is what i call the galp and equation because andy galvin who is a great exercise. Physiologist came up with this for physical work but it turns out to work for work to which is that. Basically your body weight in pounds divided by thirty will give you the number of announces of water that you should drink about every twenty minutes when exercising or doing mental work might seem like a lot. There might be an extra trip to the bathroom or two but it's worth it. Dehydration is a subtle but very pernicious creep. Where you start having hard time focusing your eyes you you just feel like you want to go to sleep. That hydration factor is real so drink plenty of fluids especially if you're adjusting caffeine. Which of course is diabetic. My personal favorite vehicle for kathy in remains year ba ma. I just absolutely adore the effects of your ramada. I'm not saying it's for everyone. But you have the caffeine and i might be getting the pronunciation off. You also have a belief siafa. Lean which you would find in in green tea and theobromine which you would also find and say dark chocolate side note trivia for folks. Theo romaine from theo in theon sophy. Theo brahma food of the gods. So that's kind of fun. Yeah but the pharmacokinetics of those are all different. So unlike coffee. Which i have a love hate relationship with because i metabolites it so quickly that i this this sort of snickers bar sugar high of caffeine for very short time twenty or thirty minutes and then my baseline of sort of subjective perceived energy is lower than when i started so what happens then i become crackhead who drinks eight cups of coffee a day. Not so with uber. Matei especially when you're kind of tight trading it in in the way that they would consume it in a place like argentina or where you're just kind of sipping it slowly. It's great stuff. I found a brand that. And i don't have any relation to them but i found one that i particularly like. It's has a weird name but anna park. It's an organic and part of a monday. I don't know who anna is or her parker. Maybe her name is anna park. But it's nice. It has the right amount of that tobacco flavor but it's not burnt to the point of feeling kind of overwhelming. The other thing about caffeine. That's kind of interesting is that most people would benefit from waiting ninety minutes to two hours after waking to ingest their caffeine caffeine interacts with the identity in receptor. Remember you get sleepy because of time of day with that whole circadian clock mechanism but also because of the buildup of a dennison in your system. That's the sleepiness factor really. And when you wake up in the morning if you immediately compete out any residual seen you lose the benefit of that cortisol pulse essentially clearing out the rest of the dennis scene and so a lot of people despite the pain of having to do this the first day or two feel much better throughout the day less of that cracked out kind of rise in crash feeling on caffeine if they delay their coffee or matei about ninety minutes to two hours after waking. That's great to know side notes for people who may want to do some some further research and reading into caffeine. The name role in griffiths has come up multiple times on this podcast. He's incredible scientists and researchers based at johns hopkins. Who is the. He is one of the. Most i would say steamed researchers alongside johnson role in has just been at it for longer with respect to sell us ivan and psychedelics associated with that but prior to psychedelics. He was one of the world's foremost experts and caffeine metabolism. And so he has. He has published and perform studies related to caffeine. That are intensely interesting so for people who who want dig. Deeper into. That room is roland. Griffiths is a great resource. It one thing. I've been wondering because there are drugs that you can use to counteract other drugs price if you go to bellevue and you're at the psyche. Our and someone comes in just high out of their mind on cocaine right. There are medications that could be given to try to take them down a notch or two or three or ten the kaldohl or not. Sure if that's used any longer but there there are many different drugs could be used in the case of caffeine. Let's just say someone named jim barris. Just for sake of argument is working on his laptop at a restaurant and said restaurant has excellent service which means they also have the never ending cup of coffee and so before he knows it. He's had five cups of coffee even though you only ordered one coffee. Is there a way to reverse or counter acts the effects of caffeine on a dentist. Such that you can actually get to sleep because if you hit the golf ball and you're like fuck looking at the half life of caffeine. There's no way. I'm getting to sleep until like three in morning. Is there any way to address that or is it just fate accompli. And you're more or less screwed one direct and indirect directory to do that is increase your glucose you know the whole notion that you can soak it up by eating some bread. You will see a blunting of the stimulant a fact now. Whether or not that's due to some minor note increase in serotonin or something from the carbohydrate is unclear but yeah you could have a bagel or two or whatever it is that you're compatible carbohydrate these days carbohydrates are such a complicated thing for us. You know carbohydrates especially late in the day. I do the either fast and go low carb. No carb during the day because let's focus and that's a meeting solid during the day or not eating for portions day and then at night eat pasta and rice and i eat very little protein. Sleep like a baby. That's what works but the other way is to take cnn. So before we were talking about cnn in reference to pre sleep supplementation thirty or sixty minutes before sleep but hundred to two hundred milligrams of thea nin. We'll take the jitters out of caffeine experience and in fact so much so that a lot of energy drinks now are starting to include the seen as an attempt to get you to ingest more of those energy drinks because they understand that at some point people hit threshold and they feel so wide in wire that they're not going to consume more so they they're tricking you this way and it does indeed work. The other thing is if you ever really need to sleep gone. Be cautious do what compatible with your physician's advice but gabba by gabo and glycemic in capsule form so a gram of gaba graham of glycemic in combination. That's more of a heavy hit over the head. What if you're having a hard time getting to sleep that can help. I don't recommend people take those chronically because gab of course is a neurotransmitter and i don't believe in taking things that are very close to the actual thing that you're trying to manipulate for instance. I'm not a fan of taking elba. Doper why would i do that. I don't have parkinson's but people take mccune appearance which is essentially ninety nine percents l. dopamine and you'll get really really elevated but then you'll really crash for a day or two so i think that pulling on the marionette strings a little bit from a distance is better than taking the specific compound that you're trying to replace unless there's a clinical need of course one more topic and since we're at about two hours and thirty we'll wrap up in just a little bit but the vegas nerve. What is the vegas nerve. What is the latest and greatest. Why is it of interest. Vegas nerve is a nerve network. It's many nervous. It could even be thought of as its own major branch of the peripheral nervous system. It comes out of the brain basically and connects to all the organs of the body and this is the pathway by which a mental state can influence our digestion. Our heart rate breathing. We talked earlier but h rv. Hurry variability the vegas as important component to the slowing down of the heart rate when we exile. It's it is very important. Pathway and its bidirectional so that organs of the body that i just mentioned the lungs the gut the heart etc the spleen they also send nerve connections back to the brain. And there's been a lot of interest in the vegas as a purely calming system and that's simply not true. The medical textbooks call it appropriately. Cranial nerve ten. It's in the sympathic arm of the nervous system which suggests that it's all calming but actually it's not. It has branches of it that are kind of stimulating as well so in the wellness and self help community you hear. Oh you should do this thing of rubbing in front of your ears. That's branch of exit calms you down or stimulate the vegas to calm down now in neuro science laboratories and even some human neuro surgery laboratories the way that you get people more alert in fact a form of depression treatment is to stimulate the vegas and it makes people more alert and more positive excited. So vaguely stimulation can easily cause increases in alertness. How do they do the stimulation. This is a beautiful story. A colleague of mine perhaps in at least to my mind the most impressive neurobiologist. I know guy. In the carl deisler off he invented discovered and invented channel. Robson's which are these from. Algae essentially that are light sensitive cloned the genes you can put those genes into neurons. You have to do this by viral injection and then you have a little blue light disco that will stimulate. Just those neurons locally. Carl's a psychiatrist of bio engineer and a neurobiologist operating at the very highest level. Actually there's a book that he just published. That i'm listening to now that is is. This can only be described as beautiful description of the landscape of psychiatry and his attempts to build tools. That are better than drugs to manipulate. The nervous system. It's called projections. And it's a beautiful read. You'll learn a ton of neuroscience. Carl is well on his way to win every big prize in science. He's got all of them right now except the last one and i'm not on the committee that votes for those but he's remarkable also has five happily married. He's like one of these. His wife is a phenomenal scientists in physician. These people are as one of the reasons i like being at stanford is because the mean is so very high but carl shifts the mean like he's dock way out there in any event coralled. There's a beautiful article that i can reference. Send you the link to in the new yorker where carl is sitting there talking with his patient and she suicidal depression and she's describing her lack of desire to live. And then he cranks up the intensity on this stimulation of the vegas and in real time she starts describing how she actually would be interested in applying for a couple of jobs this year. This is happening. In the order of seconds by stimulation of the vagus. What is the machine. What does it actually. How does it connect her. That one is implanted electrical stimulation device. That's place probably on their many branches of the vagus and so on a branch that isn't going to impact breathing. Sometimes people have challenges with swallowing so there are problems. doing carl. A big part of his mission is to create very small light. Diodes that can stimulate nerves without the need to inject viruses and things of that sort so i think at a time not too far from now. Thanks to his work. And the work of other bio engineers. We are going to be able to stimulate instance just the serotonin neurons in the raffaelle. That lead to active coping. This is a well known phenomenon. Whereas when you take prozac or zoloft or one of these other drugs will stimulate those neurons but will also stimulate the serotonin receptors on the spinal neurons that control the sexual response and that's why they have sexual side effects so more precision is coming so as it relates to vegas. The other way in which the vegas is stimulating is something that we do quite often. We have neurons in our god that we all hear about the gut brain axis and people say what your second brain very seldom. Does anyone actually describe how the second brain actually impacts the other brain and the simple way to put this as we have these neurons that live in the mucosal lining of our gut and those neurons. Since three things they sense fatty acids so they like fat. They sense amino acids they love that. Mommy flavor and they love amino acids because that's vital to protein repair metabolism cetera. Protein synthesis. Excuse me and they like sugar. And when you eat something that has fatty acids amino acids or sugar these neurons send a signal. They're part of the vagus nerve up to a little cluster of neurons in your net called the no does ganglia and od ose and the nodoze. Ganglia than stimulates your deep brain centers to release dopamine and the amazing thing about this data from a guy named diego boras at duke university. The amazing thing about this system is that even if you numb the mouth even if you just garage a person or an animal and put these substances into the stomach. You will seek more of these foods. And so you're actually seeking sugar amino acids and fat more when you ingest those foods independent of how they taste and so this whole set of implications for hidden sugars and the fact that so many foods we eat we find ourselves eating more of them. We think this isn't even taste. I don't even know why i'm eating this. It's because these neurons in your gutter stimulating dopamine release and as we talked about before. Dopamine isn't a molecule pleasure. it's a molecule of making. You want to do whatever led to dopamine. Release the molecule of more the molecule. So the vegas is multifaceted. And we will soon hopefully subdivided into some more meaningful pathways. I don't like to knock on anyone else's work. But i do think that most of what you read out there about the vegas and what it does and various theories about it are partial truth to total nonsense but they are partial. Choose to total nonsense. That were grounded in the biology as we understood it at the time and just a lot more has been understood in the last ten years or so so no disrespect to those people but his time for a revision. Maybe two or three more questions than most will go get some food. Something along those lines. The first is what books have you gifted the most to other people. Are there any books that come to mind that you've gifted often to other people. I love poetry and it's almost cliche now to say this because so many people like his work. But i think david whites work is just beautiful and is a wonderful kind of entry point to two poetry. I'm also a big wendell berry. Fan has written a lot about farming and the natural world. And i've never met him but i'm a huge wendell berry fan. Some sometimes give wendell berry books as gifts. The book that i i think is perhaps at least to me. The most beautiful book of all is longitude by da sobel about the history of The discovery of timekeeping at ocean which is not a trivial problem to solve. And it's just a beautiful story of how scientists or in this case of particular. Scientists merged the quest for a technology with a scientific problem with adventure and going out on boats and risking one's life for the sign says something that resonates with me a bit. It's a beautiful short book and it's very accessible to anybody whether or not you have a background in science or not. And she's an absolutely wonderful writer and so that's the one gift most often desire particular david white book or starting point that you might recommend you know. I own several of his books. But i confess that i. I'm forgetting the titles. Now you know what's interesting about david white is that his poetry is best consumed by listening to him. Read it because he does this thing of repeating twice and his cadences so impressive. And so i would even though i load to kind of push people toward online do by his books but i would suggest just going online and listening to a youtube video or watching youtube video of david reading one of his poems. He's onto something the thing about poetry. That's so fascinating to me. It's the same reason. Why i love anything sung by bob dylan or joe. Stromer is that the words don't necessarily make sense in the pure cognitive landscape they're tapping into some sort of deeper layer of the nervous system. That defies the normal structure of sentences and thoughts. And so i think a good poets are accessing the subconscious and has nothing to do with rhyming. it has to do with accessing some layer of neurobiology that we just don't have a name for andrew. This question is sometimes a complete dead end. And i'll take the blame for that if it is but just just to go fishing and see what we catch here if you could put anything on a gigantic billboard metaphorically speaking to get a message out quote an image a word could be anything a quote from someone else anything at all to billions of people. What might you put on that billboard. Well assuming this is a big billboard. I could probably squeeze two things on there but i would diminish the impact of either one. So it's so simple but it's the most use at least has been the most useful thing in life to me which is credit goes to the oracle which is no thy self. If there's one thing that's a really useful. Pursuit is to take a really good stock of what you've come into the world with and where you happen to be at present. Get really honest about that with yourself and in doing that it illuminates the path to filling in the gaps and improving oneself and knowing myself is a dynamic process and the answer sue knowing myself and what that is will change over time but that is the question that i think everybody as soon as we are able to should be asking ourselves and constantly. Updating know thyself. What was second pick. You can put it on the other side of the billboard. The other one was far weaker One i think but use the body to control the mind. I really worry about the current state of the world where people are so unable to regulate their autonomic nervous system. They're stressed they're angry. They're pissed and look. I suffer from this to someone sometimes. They comment on whatever. I mostly on instagram. But sometimes on twitter. And i noticed all this anger and stuff and you start getting pulled into it from time to time. I regulate my behavior by. Don't respond but we're all subject to this but almost all harm almost all self harm and unfortunate things in life are the consequence of poorly regulated. Omic nervous system. We say the wrong thing. We we do the wrong thing. We're impulsive etc. And i think controlling the autonomic nervous system is simple in one sense and other simple in the sense that the tools exist. I do believe that respiration and vision or are the two ways to control the nominee system in real time the best ones and at the same time. It's it's very hard to do so we have to remind ourselves. That's why i'd want to put it on the billboard that when your mind isn't where you want it to be use your body to control your mind. I love that can use that on a long hike with the pooch a little later today and we'll also include for everybody listening show notes with links to various resources all the resources that we've discussed so the yoga the various types of breath work. I'll also add a name. Which is lee logos. Dr lagos has done a lot of really good work looking at resonance training using breath. Work for improving. Hr v. although improved each v. is really just a proxy for all of these other desirable outputs effects in the world and in life so will include all of that in the show notes. Andrew covered a lot of ground. Is there anything else that you would like to mention or say or point people to and your requested the audience. Anything at all that you'd like to add before we wrap up for today. We mentioned some of the things at the beginning. I teach neuroscience on instagram at the lab. Those are resources brief snippets anywhere from one to three minutes about neuroscience exciting papers. I see a lot of tools. Be wonderful if people want to check out the podcast. Cover a lot of topics not just neuroscience and we batch those by month so that we do for five episodes in one thing like hormones and then move onto something else and i suppose one request would be. We have the saying in a laboratory. It's certainly not unique to laboratories which is watch one do one teach one and what would be most gratifying for me would be. If people find tools that they find useful and they that they learn about them. That's the watch one part that they do them. They apply them in their own life and modify them. If you like. And then i think the way the world works best at least in my view is when people go on to teach those tools and attribution isn't required. I didn't say i wasn't consulted that the design phase. And i don't know anyone else. That was either so mother nature and deserves and biology deserve credit for all this and so if people would like to learn practice and teach. I like to think that the world can improve by virtue of sharing of tools. I love it. Dig it man and there are a number of places people can follow. You should check out as you mentioned the human lab. Podcast human lab dot com and human lab at human lab on instagram and twitter. This has been so fun. And i really appreciate all the time. It's been a real pleasure spending time with you. Andrew and i look forward to many more conversations of feeling that people will want a round to so until then thanks to you and thanks to everyone for tuning. Hey guys this. Is tim against a few more things before you take off number one. This is five bullet friday. Do you want to get a short email from me. Would you enjoy getting a short email from me. 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Listen to essential slow podcast. Like grammar girl's quick and dirty tips for better writing and be inspired with ted talks daily. Get back to school with new exclusive stations. Plus all your favorite local radio stations and podcasts. On odyssey boomer. Good morning how are you at your morning. Gina's that's right some twenty years ago. Three hundred forty four firefighters at passed away and were killed and over seventy law enforcement officials were killed not only from the nypd but the p ems worker. You name it. I mean it's just a horrific time in our country. We all know that here. We are twenty years later and my personal connection to the north tower is significant. We were in Cantor fitzgerald offices on the hundred and first floor Howard let nick and cantor fitzgerald hosted us at no cost to our foundation. Got our fledgling foundation off the ground because of all of that support and that day lost my great friend. Timmy o'brien who was my first board member of my foundation and over. I don't know one hundred fifty to two hundred other friends and supporters of our foundation. Because we like. I said we were on the first floor in that plane. Went in right below that floor and anybody above that had no chance of survival and i think about the images that day i think about all the things that have happened over the last twenty years in how our world changed how we changed and how it impacted so many people's lives from the people that died that day to the people who are continuing to die today because of the cancers that were suffered from from that attack and the aftermath of that to all of our goldstar families to our wounded warriors to everybody in between And it really is a sobering fact. When you think about it and i i will never forget. I know my kids will never forget I'm glad to report that. Most of the kids. That i know that lost their dad that day are doing really well doing really well and they are very aware of. What's going on you know when they were younger. Maybe it's the ages six seven eight nine. They didn't understand or comprehend but now they're bombarded with images and videos and everything else and even doing documentaries on their own and writing books about their experience. And i think that says a way for us to remember their their lost loved ones and i'll never forget coming back to new york about three days later. 'cause i was stuck in edinburgh monday night game and i went down to the site and i was with outback steakhouse and we were serving food to the men that were on those piles that were looking for any survivors. And i remember the gasps. I remember they're crying. I remember the smell. I remembered this. Just the absolute devastation nets. Sixteen acre area down there and it wasn't just the first two buildings that collapsed. I mean people tend to forget that one two three four five six seven world trade center buildings were either collapsing that day or had to be demolished because they were so significantly damaged because of the towers collapsed initially all had to be rebuilt and we have a constant reminder when we walk out of our building. We'll look to the right now. We say we see the freedom tower tower that speaks to the inspiration of what this country's all about so. I wear the shirt proudly today. I'll always wear the shirt proudly. And i know that the f. d. n. y. Lost so many members that. I think it's the right thing for us to do. And if you wanna call it and talk about it we can of course We could talk about the great football game last night. We talk about the to bed. Baseball teams that we have now here locally getting ready to play a very significant weekend series that means more to us sports fans than just the games themselves of course and that's the really the reason why i'm going to tune in the mets. Of course i've been talking about how i don't believe that they've got any shot regardless of what the standings say in mathematically whatever it they don't have any shot to me it's about the honoring of the heroes and what sports played at that time and i mean some of my most vivid memories of sports come from post nine. Eleven september mets yankees jets giants. I remember what the patriots joe andruzzi coming out with the flag. I mean it's just vivid memories and to get back to Everything that we loved it was gonna take a long time but sports were there four us and i i mean the organizations were just fantastic. They did everything right at that. Time to support the city to support of the first responders. Bobby valentine joe torry on and on i mean they did apps body vassal. Jim boscell herm edwards. Herm edwards is one of the sea. I remember from the football i. Of course there's a fan. But i was covering football at the time and in football because the stadiums hold seventy five eighty thousand people and you saw it again last night right before the sort of game you know the the the memory of nine eleven and the national anthem and everything else and i like last night. I was thinking and you know twenty years ago. These sports brought us all back together. Like me became one us a nation and my what the hell is happening to us over the last twenty years. I don't wanna get political just a mad at so many other things that have gone on around all of this but i just what the hell is happened to us i. I felt like last night at least during the national anthem. I felt like there was a closeness again. Yeah i really did. And i and i really. I long for the days where we weren't at each other's throats for whatever. The reason may be a common enemy at that point. And it wasn't oss and now we are. We are fighting with one another as basically amazing to me. Yeah i mean and you know the the mantra has been and always should be to never forget and the event and the lives that were lost. Were never gonna forget but we have forgotten. I think collectively maybe not mean you. Maybe not are listening base but there have been a lot of people in this country that have forgotten about who we were right after those attacks which was a unified front as a nation. And i mean that was the only good thing to have come out of that. Was that where there was. Y- you dropped all beliefs and we were on the same. We're all we were. Yeah we were on the same team. We were americans. there was no at each other's throats. I'm not saying that you know. All disagreements or bad disagreements but it's gone to the point now where we are so far away and we're so contentious and you don't want another big thing to happen for us to be able to get back on. no. I think we're contentious because we do have a faction on each side. That is extreme in those extreme points of view are pushing You know most of us who are reasonable and practical. An independent thinkers Can make a decision about a certain thing and see it as a practical reason why to do something. As opposed to a political reason as to why do something and and a photo op and picture you know is just is just so demeaning and so disheartening and just so infuriating as opposed to the real stuff that's going on and it's just because it's all because of politics so i i don't know i don't know what to tell you other than i did last night. I i kind of felt a little bit of that. Come together moment especially through sports. You not everybody's sports in the world. But i do know that back then if it weren't for the sports at least for those of us who are sports fans. I don't necessarily know that we could have gotten back. And i from the world series with the yankees in diamond bounce to the monday night. Football games that i was doing to see how fans are reacting at every monday. Night game in. How proudly sung the national anthem and how to install a tall they. They stood when they sang it. And it was just such a collective pride that was associated with us. That you know dissipated over twenty years but you know you talk about that day in the people we lost still losing people. The collateral damage of just the every day person that had lived down south of canal street and worked on rebuilding south of canal street. Down by the financial district is still with us today. And that's why john stewart went down to screaming ruin to make those people understand life the effects of what the hell happened here. Twenty years ago right. I mean yeah. It happened twenty years ago. But they're they're suffering every single day for for the people vat ran towards the issue you know for for those people they heroes you know and as you mentioned it's not just about you know putting your arm around a guy tweet now to picture about it and saying oh this is a here. No it's about really fighting for that person in their rights and making sure that we could do everything humanly possible offer those who have tried to keep us safe. And that's why john stewart i. I don't know where he stands politically. I'm sure we're somewhat opposed to certain things but that doesn't matter to this point. Yeah you know what he he was. He was amazing. You know Going down there because guy of his stature and his ability to speak and his ability to put it into words and make people understand that there are people still suffering is is what i think is heroic in. Its own right because he he feels that he obviously has personal connections to it. Just like i do. So i up and then when you juxtapose all of that. What happened on august. Twenty sixth this year where we lost thirteen servicemembers to a suicide. Bob and then you you juxtaposed that to where we were twenty years ago and you say oh we any better off and do the people who are running this part of the country understand what the hell is happening. Are we any safer today than we were. Some twenty years ago and i had the same sick feeling that day that i had back in two thousand and one because it just it was like a full circle jerk where now all of a sudden thirteen servicemembers lost their lives. When they didn't have to. I like and that's why i know you know like the last couple of weeks i've been crazed about no i i understand i know many americans are and it's it's it's horrendous. There's no there's no silver lining in losing those thirteen lives. Nothing at all and especially when you're talking about it. You know right at this twentieth anniversary. I mean it hits. It hits harder because not that. There's any good time to lose. Lives of heroes like that. But it's just it dredges up feelings outside of us especially those of us who were close to new york city at the time of the twenty years ago. No people have to remember there. Were people jumping out of these buildings. Yeah there were people that were stuck in elevators. One the fireballs were coming down. There were people that were in the The foyer of these buildings when those fireballs came in. I mean the horrific nature of what happened to our loved ones and the fact that most of the guys were were polarized. And we still haven't found brian. You know and there was a a report. Yesterday that they found remains of two others that were list and it's still only about a thousand. What fifty or forty eight people that they actually have remained the think about those families out there that have nothing. Yeah but the memories. And then the thoughts i think the thing that bothers me the most out of all of this other than august twenty. Sixth is that those families that have to be reminded every single year and see the video of it every single year. Yeah i you know. I think about that every time that the images pop up on the screen and i don't now i didn't lose a close family member or friend like you had But those images still for me are just really really tough to watch. And i and i have this battle with myself. Sometimes i say know you got to watch it you have to because you don't want to forget about what happened. You want watching it and remembering in thinking about all. The people who were lost is important it. Oh and then. There's other times i say no. I don't wanna do that. Because i don't want to dredge up those feelings again because it makes me feel terrible to think about those who lost a husband a wife a daughter a son and seeing the building come down and say you know they were in there is a is a completely different experience that i see. I cannot even fathom you know it was amazing that the nfl really number of the owners of the nfl one of the nfl to continue to play for two reasons. One i believe that they thought that the that the nation needed the nfl. To be playing Maybe there was another reason that had money tied to it. Who knows but the nfl players especially the jets and giants players did not want to play. There was no way the nfl players were going to play so they took that next week off. Major league baseball. everybody paused. Everybody had to take a step back and we all had a realize what in the world we are now getting ourselves into and how we were going to react to that. So september twenty third. I was working for fox. The us ns comfort came to new york city and the reason that president bush sent that ship here was because they thought they were going to have so many injured people that the hospitals would be flooded with some very similar to home last year. So the comfort came here. And i remember fox telling me that i did not have to fly to la. Do the show that. I was doing at the time because i had just gotten fired from monday night football on tv the year. Before so now. I was with fox was doing monday night football on radio and they were saying you know if you want to stay home in new york. We know you lost a lot of friends. We know that you know you're probably needed there. They couldn't have been any kinder to me and they said look what will set you up at the military or the navy is going. Allow you to do your part of the show from the comfort. If you'd wanna do that and i was like man. I would love to do that. So i went down. I did the show that sunday. September twenty third on the comfort and remember kind of just like reporting as to what was going on what downtown looked like the the what it felt like in person what it smelled like what it looked like when and what it sounded like and i will never forget that that day and The kindness at least that fox showed me to be able to be a part of that reporting from a sports journalists. Not anything and somebody who was personally affected by it but we are twenty years later. And i've been down to the memorial twice already this week Timmy and his buddies or right on the kind of like the north corner. So i know exactly where they are and i can go. See them and My friend howard lut nick. Every year does a charity day. Where all the proceeds that they they. They raised This day will go to charities all across the globe He's never forgotten. Those people took care of all those families and rebuilt his company after losing six hundred. Fifty eight employs. 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It wasn't for you know issues with penalties and not converting on the opportunities after turnovers. I mean they really should have gone down there and beat them and even though the defense at times look like last year they really didn't. This was a much improved defense. Even though they ended up giving up over thirty points so we will see but jerry as a cowboy fan and one of the voices of the cowboys yet to be at least encourage would last night. Now dave played. Well they lost. Yeah i know but still nine and a half point underdog going into the game. The only person. I know that the cowboys was nate. Burleson on our show because we had to give our picture yesterday during our conference call and he took the cowboys. And you know look. I would've taken the cowboys in eight and a half that they were being offered. I think kickoff got up to nine and a half to get a yes. Uh-huh couple buddy asking does. What do you think about the cowboys nate. They take them. Yeah that's that's a lot of points. This is one of the best offenses and football and we saw that. And you know the the bucks. How good are they well. Four turnovers eleven penalties. And he's still want. Yeah but in fairness i missed field. Goal to me is like a turnover too. You just say tom. Brady's amazing you see like when he throws the ball noses down and it is tight spiral adak style those quakers you know but that that came back and he looked like the guy that we saw. Who's one of his james really. Well yeah we're as shocked as i was at. Tom brady reached the end zone on that. Hail mary to at the end of the first half. Because i i was like he's gonna make it down there. 'cause there's been a lot of talk about is i mean we know how accurately is when you're talking about twenty yards twenty five yards in in but i mean he hawked at bowl. Sixty five chris talking about they. They had been a practice watching. It couldn't believe how well he was throwing. Then they went through the whole thing about when he when he first started to where he is. Now the quick release hardee's worked on that release and everything else. The thing is i mean i. I know maniac and he said a lot of problems to feel but antonio brown still got. It might be tom. Brady's greatest accomplishment is straining straightening means dot. Nobody knows that he hasn't had any issues. This off season. He came back. He's healthy. news catching passes all over the place like it was two thousand fifteen again and whereas boom and university by the way yeah. I don't know in his crazy head but what he does so well and i think this is. What amari cooper does really well to the subtleties in the route. I see the one word. Tom steps up in the pocket. I don't think that was called. I think both of them just saw what happened. And antonio slowing down touchdown. He took off and just a little subtleties. He did run a slug. Oh that's a little slant and go and that was unbelievable route and you could see how quickey still is but look man no for real though in games now. The good thing about them is that you know for for them anyway. At least this is like almost like a mini by for them. They got their game. They're going to get the next three days off. See you monday. And then then they get back into it all right jerry. When he got over there we are powered by super book. Now open with better odds and favorable prices brought to you by jack pocket. Play officials state lottery games on your phone. Here is how after the cowboys had taken the lead with a minute. Twenty four to go. Here's how it essentially ended in tampa. Last trainer will snap it then. We'll hold suck up from thirty six put down on the grass white footed kick is up in its co two. Go up taking the league fan. Yes cohen football. They suck up. Yes no no no. No kevin harlan. Man oh i know i know. He connects from thirty six yards out and not yet thirty. One thousand nine. The bucks beat the cowboys the opener for the nfl season. Tom brady seventy nine yards. Passing four touchdown. A couple of picks though one was in the end zone on that hail mary. Here's brady so much better than last year season-opener with his new team last year sucked after the first game. Let me say that. I was come a long way from three hundred sixty five days ago. Yes super bowl championship in his pocket. Already you were talking about antonio brown five catches buck. Twenty-one including the forty-seven yarder for a score victories a great way to start off the you know about anniversary having some versity And being able to roddy bet to win sure did real watching. Mike parsons now. I think he's going to be a really good player but and his head was swimming. I there were times. Where they're running play action passes and he was like all out of position and guys were running wide open behind them. I mean. I can't imagine what tom brady does to a young aggressive linebacker like that. Yeah i mean. Look at them off. Just confusing him. At the line of scrimmage and you know sneaking. Football's passed him in a window. That judy even think existed into rob gronkowski's giant talking about the one catch over the middle. That was ridiculous. I mean. I know those guys looked like it was fifteen years ago i Museum playing this game ifo sleep. I think i missed like Quarter from where. When i fell asleep too when i woke up and watch the end of this. I didn't see tom brady hit. Did he get pressured him a few times. Did he get hit now. I know that he ever went to the ground except when he fell down and just kind of floated the ball to the right side. Yeah i don't but they did pressure him if he gets rid of. The ball is very quick. This is what daniel johns has got it. The damore is lawrence came very close on a on a an edge rush where he almost got the ball out and read the money on but in terms of knocking. I don't think so on the ground. So no i don't think so here was dak. Yep played well but we didn't win came up short bottom line obviously We fought hard and way the end as team to plan. Yeah he threw for four hundred and three yards three touchdowns and one interception but not enough Ba game four. Maury cooper big game for cd-rom as well and the zeki will elliott was mystery last night because they couldn't run the ball and really didn't try all too much so Seasons often running this sunday. You got the jets and carolina jerry jones from last night. Not that i've seen it yet. I'm sure he spoke of. Unfortunately there's way too much to get to this morning okay But i will certainly effort that saquon barkley. I guess expected to play because they say he's one hundred percent. That's how it goes. Steelers and bills on sunday pittsburgh with good news. Assign t. j. watt to a four year contract hundred and twelve million dollars. Eighty million to be guaranteed and i read the one story that said he went against his agents wishes. He said. I want this deal. It's enough went into the office himself and said let's do it. He said to mr rooney. Let's do it. He signed his contract. He goes. I gotta go. I gotta go down to work out. that's it. i mean. I love that. I love what he did and he said he got enough money and he's happy with it and he doesn't want to be anywhere but pittsburgh and hopefully this is one of those players at signs one of those contracts and lives up to it. Yeah and how many towns of like the sins of the world these contracts say that and then a year later they're unhappy and they went out and the steelers don't normally give that much guaranteed money they evolve. They changed their philosophy and they did it for the right guy plus plus he wanted four years and they came down to four years. You know what i mean. So more dough he he. They wanted five years and he wanted for years and they came to him at four years and they got done so he could have probably gotten a little bit more money but at the end of the day you got the big guarantee got the four year contract. And i guess he'll be. What thirty three when it becomes another free agent and he may be able to sign a two or three year deal with another team hopefully not hopefully stays there and ends his career there. Ravens raiders. monday night more bad news for baltimore. They are really being hit bad by the injury bug. They lost both gus edwards and marcus peters during practice yesterday and reports say they both suffered season ending. Acl injury so they looks like they're gonna sign devante freeman air already. Signed le le vian bell and and they're probably gonna sign latavius murray. Who was cut by the saints and he wanted or they wanted him to take a Pay and he said. No so. I i would. I would about if you thought like four years ago. You're going to have the freemen. Well it'd be. I'm bell and latavius marine your backfield. You've been pretty happy with them but right now to scrap heap guys. We're talking scrap they are scrappy. Got up i mean they. Didn't they brought in devante freeman and levy on bell and decided to sign bell over freeman and then they had no choice but to bring freeman back because they lost more guys. Eleven bell may play this week. I mean he's a black yankees blue jays last night about the yankees might snap this losing streak. Thought they wouldn't get swept. Well think again on and enter the to right. Saturday's high that is far has gone over the auxiliary scoreboard in right center on another home. Run for vladi. The home run or guerrero now is forty second shots. Actually the bad french andhra haney at this point Me goes in the ninth inning. Gives up a couple of runs four hits including the home run. They lose six four. It was fourteen when he went in the yankees. Did get a couple of home runs in the ninth inning. But not enough as they fall yet again. First time team never trailed while sweeping the yankees over four games in new york since they were called the highlanders back in nineteen. Oh eight wow yes. I mean this morning that jerry i am yes that yeah right so you finally along with me now that this is not the yankees year. Wait a second six straight losses in ten of twelve after that. Thirteen game winning streak aaron judge. How do you do this salt. They have a better answer than you know baseball. That's not a great answer. Here's aaron boone Do you feel like you're playoff. Chances are slipped slide no way no no absolutely not i mean we just had a horrible homestand. It's not it's not okay. No it's not okay And then in terms of haney again you feel bad for him. He was asked pointblank. Can you afford to keep running them out there. Yeah we have to. we have to. we have to. There's going to be days. We gotta get something at everyone. Eric main your your cover us every day You know what we've been up against this week. They have when they're hurting. Yeah they don't have anybody hitch now one of the good things that has come up with that whole bullpen chart that they have and they put it up there and they show you how much each guy has been working and this really cool kind of graphic that helps you understand exactly what the managers dealing with combated chapman. Terrible britain is out. Lewanika is out and your trotting out a lot of these schlub every night against a team. That's that's can mash and we suck right now. Yeah and then you find out the tyrone who hasn't been great desire but he's been serviceable. Starting arm is these now. On the i l. They're they're running at a gas tearing his tendon his right ankle so and now that's what they have is they go into the subway series having lost so you got toronto's one eight straight yerkes a now lost six straight and ten of twelve and so when you look at the standings yankees blue jays red sox all even in the loss column now so not good for the yanks. as for the mets. This was a another mess for them. They got two to nothing. Lead on the marlins you had. Marcus stroman pitching. Well he gives up a ron fine. Then you go brad hand ball. It's a little dribble toward the mound. Hand up with it. Fires the first awry it goes into right field onto score is and that tied. The game coleman on wcbs eight eighty. I have to say this. So i would left stroman. I agree. trauma was fighting in. Say whatever you want i mean. He is been the one constant for the pitching staff and he was fighting his ass off. So they bring in hand. Did you see his two pitches. Why i watch this guy. And how he pitches and what he looks like in a uniform. This guy is a professional closer who has had success in his career. He puts on the mets uniform. And that's what's going on i. I laughed out loud and keith hernandez his reaction was i. If cbs sports network sports network has it or not but his two pitches brian. How about the plop at the throw to first base service but the fact that mccain got up mccann's back there like what in the hell is going through the third yes. i know. it's pretty funny. And this i mean i i'm telling you i am laughing out loud watching us and who better to snap the chisholm. It's online right field. It's deep and it is long gone into the second deck jazz chechen charlotte's yes. It went deep. And and i really wanted hand to give up the homerun ageism because that would have really tie. Junior was familiar. Plenty just played the clip brad. Heller has used to feet on. That chas gypsum junior home run. Did it again just cast. Yes jazz chisholm. Boy did it again. Four hundred feet. On that chas gypsum. Junior homerun has gypsum junior. Just not jazz jazz. right scores. Change his name to peter. My favorite things has gone on the last couple of years. Ponti says chisel jazz djezon sterling. Eller any see that was funny boy. Of course it was him now. Of course i'm out. Of course of course of course. to Marcus stroman as we mentioned the one run for it seven strikeouts over six and a third havi bio two for four double a homerun couple of stolen bases but not enough. So the mid seventy and seventy wants here. We go with the subway series tonight at city field jordan. Montgomery tyler mcgill on the fan at six thirty. Do we have time for luistro. Haas i did. I did hear this. And i'll give you just a couple of fully on evans side with all of this prior to the game yesterday. Evan had certain questions as you can imagine. And so i they welcome him in. And mr oho says i'm doing well guys how're you. I'll give you an honest answer. I'm not good to thank you for asking. I appreciate you know. Want to be honest about it. I'm terrible wake up this morning and say to yourself. You know what i was thinking about. This happens to me all the time. I wake up the next morning. I was like boy. I screwed this up. I don't know why. I said that to my wife wanted i do that did you. Wake up this morning and say to yourself. Why the hell did i let brian delacruz beat us. Of course not all right. So that's the start any move up a couple of moments Evan was annoyed with that. Move for the open base and not walking the batter and then you get to the fact that he pinched masika yup instead of jd davis and they take him out for mcken whatever. And here's evan annoyed with that. I get the righty righty thing. But jd davis is significantly better than patrick. Musique is so. I respect everything you just said not even disagreeing with the whole righty stuff but one is a lot better than the other guy. What i'm saying. No no i explain myself on yourself. Okay yeah. I'm not arguing all right. Go ahead craig. Listen what do you want me to tell you. Now we talk about digital this video that faa put out there. I think is top sixty thousand right. Good evan taken. The pit bull. Evan roberts take children's kinda reminds me with mike and chris back in the day. Yeah friday yes. I agree argue back and forth. And we should edit that where it sounds like evidencing bitch. Shut your mouth to louise rose. That'd be great bet video. Get one hundred thousand that. Would that would be unfair to evan. But it would be fun. I will say though Evan i'm with him because he's a fan you know i'm a fan too but they're coming on and i know they're paid to come on there has to be a little decorum. Do you not think so. I don't think it was that bad. I really didn't i. I'll tweet out. Evans treating louis row house. Like a bleep bleep. But and that's why you liked it. I guess now i do. I like it. I like the segments but it's somewhat disrespectful they that don't that open and the way did it. Last week was or two weeks ago. They hit my fastball. Able to hit in batting practice. I it's just. I do she. It is and i know he's got to do. He's got a fan base that he's got it's kind of a balancing act. Yeah but this is the perfect guy to do this too because he's not gonna be here next year but this but this chill part of it. It's it's he is a first time manager and they gave him this year because they didn't want to go by what they saw last year and a team is not performing up to the expectations and standards that we were told they were going to and this is a novice manager. That has to answer these ridiculous questions. Even though they're not particularly his answers are not good. That's the problem we say novice manager. I mean he's been around a game since he was a baby. Ever the press story. We're paying attention at this level. People don't pay attention to the. When i say peop- i mean fans. There are some minor league baseball enough to answer questions. Better than that. I would hope but maybe not in the problem with this team to is a some of his moves have not been good but be like last night. Alonzo the leadoff triple. They can't drive them in from third. Nobody out and you just need a familiar to give up the you know. Of course a ron chisholm. Said it right. He pulled them chisholm. Yes i call them chisholm and just quickly because this is pretty wild nineteen year old. Layla fernandez advanced to the women's final at the. Us open where she will play eighteen year. Old emma redac- new enough. I'm saying that right. she's from. Britain was a qualifier so that's your u s women's open final. There's no drama with this right. I mean he's girls are okay. Everybody's get along you know. I think he really cool to teenagers. Cy young the men's side yeah rated women's final in green and the tennis fans are really into too young stars unknowns the other thing to us t positive inside there you go off to the bathroom for eight minutes in a cell phone and everything else you got all this trauma. My man teapots native. Oh he's out. I love goodbye All right very good thing now. goodbye Goodbye each the morning. Show with boomer esiason and greg boomer and geo out something in the break that's got me scared for new york football just like to ask the audience that as well all right i was just throwing something out to alan gio and i said al and jail al kinda like michelle to foia atoll so if the jets are giants were in that game last night versus either one of those teams. What would the scoreboard. The jets probably with their young defense and the secondary. That is very inexperienced. Probably given up over forty points to either one of those teams easily. I can't now before. The giants have played a game when been so bullish on the giants. Completely backtrack after watching the bucks in the cowboys. I think the giants defense is going to be pretty good but the cowboys impressed me last night. I think so i was. I was thinking that you know for quarterbacks who play in the game you have a forty four year old quarterback who's been through everything and you can see that when the game is on the line at the end of the game if you give them enough time just like joe montana right down the field and for dak prescott going into that environment. Celebrating a super bowl fans are finally back. The heat the intensity of the bucks defensive line and missing one of their best offense limit. He stood tall in that game. And zach wilson and trevor lawrence mack jones and trae lanson justin fields or all going to have to learn to deal with and how the emotions of the game go back and forth in the and the different Levels of emotions that go back and forth and just you as as the opposing quarterback especially on the road. You gotta deal with all this crap and tom brady has gotten to a point in his career where it's were taking it for granted i think because he is so consistently good and we're not surprised by anything that he's doing. I really do believe that we're taking this for granted. He's forty four years old and is still one of the best players at his position in the sport just came off a super bowl championship. Looks as young and his red mecer surgery as he's ever looked in week one i know he had a couple of issues last year and they were seven and five at one point. He just didn't look good. There's a couple of games didn't look good and that may happen again. But i mean it's funny because there's so much of it inundation of hot take korea that happens in this industry that sometimes we stay away from it but because it sounds like we're talking like it's I take or whatever. But honestly. Tom brady is in a way. Well sometimes i. I mean i try to stay away from like these big declarative like stephen a smith statement. Sometimes because it just sounds like a terrible debate show on espn but but you made a statement the other day that you're not watching the mets any mirka but that's not but but don't put those guys would never say something like that like ever like. It's a totally different situation Put when it comes to like players in. Who's the best but tom brady is bought. We're never going to see anything like this ever again. I truly believe that. You don't think patrick mahomes this and it's forty four years old absolutely not no. I think that the way he treats his body the discipline that he has is unlike any other athlete. Were ever going to see forty four years old and doing this. He's the best player in any sport. That i have ever seen in my lifetime. And it's not going to be matched see so for daniel jones. Zack wilson players. Like that. you know this is the guy that you want to emulate you know. He doesn't run around all over the place and rely on his athleticism to get him through although he is a great athlete. What he what he relies on is his smarts his understanding his instincts and then he takes care of his body and he works diligently in the off season to make sure that his throwing of the football is good today as it was fifteen years ago for good. These guys examining coffees in the control room here like there's some sort of code to crack the two of them. Were just wondering which one was for me. Did you and i get the same. You not saying asked an answer. Don't have our usual situations. I know we don't so distracted along with this staring at it is if there's like you know some sort of code like some sort of jack pocket app code. There is gonna win the mega millions. Is this one that he comes and he's pointing at is that vanilla triple home memphis from de dictate one's mind. The extra should screaming and pixie dust. Please thank you al. i appreciate. There's my cold brew very good. Oh thank you our. It really is amazing. When one part of our operation drops off we do not do well especially when it's allie. Do not do well. We are very confused. Confused group okay but it was When i when i see also night it just goes to show you how valuable wide receivers now are and i just. We had a explosion of offense last night Points yards wide receivers involved quarterbacks on the ball down the field We're going to see you know. And the offense is we were talking about. Yesterday has been trending upward over the last five or six years. That cd lamb is going to be a problem for a long time. He is really good and he's looked. So aren hooper go. Yeah but he's been around for a while we know and he added issue to drops in with the raiders. But cd lamb is just scratching. The surface remember catchy had against the vikings. Yes like it made the air he was twisting himself and somehow caught the ball in the end zone and that was last year is gonna get even better in the beginning of this game you know datum wide open and under through them and then on the next play he dropped. It was a bad start. But i'm just talking about i'm talking. I test boomer. i'm talking you see that guy. He just stands out. He's just one of those athletes one of those guys you could just tell it's going to dominate and michael gallup. By the way is a guy gets lost in the shuffle. He's gotta be at some point. He's got to be a free agent. There's no way they're going to be able to keep them and then someone's gonna bring him in as their first wide receiver second wide receiver on a female. Kenny golladay. well yeah but golladay was at one. Point was was playing like their number one receiver there. But that's what i'm saying though. It's gonna be like that for another team. Yeah that'd be a need of a wide receiver. Yeah but you think about michael gallup. He's totally lost in the shuffle. I mean you you. You don't think about him as much because you've got obviously. Cd lamb and amari cooper zekiye elliott and dak prescott tight ends. And like here's gallup. Who's like as talented as those guys. I don. I just wonder about a seventeen game season and whether or not these guys can stay healthy all the way through of course not as what it comes down to. Of course not. There's going to be injuries all over the place. It's the nfl what it is. It's availability it's a war of attrition healthy healthiest at the end. 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Two thousand and one you know and you talk about tomorrow and you talk about all the ceremonies that will be taking place. Not only downtown here at the memorial site but also throughout sports with the mets and the yankees right here on cbs sports network tomorrow. Eleven thirty from west point western kentucky is going to be playing army and football And then three thirty on cbs. We're going to have air force at navy at the marine corps stadium. Down there at the naval academy and cbs will be hosting all of it from annapolis. Wow and i can't even imagine what tomorrow's game between air force and navy is going to be like considering. It is the marine corps stadium and we just lost eleven marines on august. Twenty six so tomorrow can be a very poignant day on. Cbs sports network and cbs with their coverage of college. Football and can't wait to really see what the yankees and the mets do. And i know that they'll have the ceremonies down here tomorrow and tomorrow will be a very emotional day for a lot of people obviously including us absolutely and i know that. Cbs cbs sports network will do those broadcast justice. They always do. They always do an amazing job. Our when it comes to serious issues like this. Is that firearms still going out. Going to their testing different firearms testing. So you checked or did that voice come on like turnover is fan. Attests earnhardt alarm. Frontier spike gave us a heads up. I know you guys. Don't check your work emails but through the work email. We got the use the personal emails. Why doesn't he use the personal emails. But i don't understand is like you knew that. But we didn't know that how about just a little bit of communication with us. We're just so busy with jerry during the warm wash. Oh and doing your podcast subjects. I am doing those things but i. I didn't know what day. I i read spikes email earlier this week and i was like okay so next time. I know when i hear the alarm. Don't pay attention. So i just heard it out there and i was like oh i figured you guys check your work email. Okay sure you did. That's what you figured the checking the working though. I lost two hundred dollars because they didn't think boomer was going to be able to log into his work email. He was able to do that. Yeah that is the worst though the system as they have here because they have that voice come on. And there's someone who's completely inaudible telling you what the alarm going off on. You like even more confused. But do we still have a fire marshal or cheat floor. Zack martin what is his actual title. He's the fire marshal is called. Marshall is not call. He's not called. Marshall i think he is else. He's the fire eddie. Would know he's the fire marshal yet. I don't think it's called marshall. Either i think they have like a lesser term for it. Yeah yeah barzilai is not enough is wooden fire something. She fees not a martial not award. I'm telling you the marshall he's the fire marshal now he's not. He's not a lot of marshall liaison fire liaison fund. Nobody's as it sounds like a really bad nineties ba- by the way byerly in between like two entities right right. He's the liaison between the fire alarm and us. I feel like you're our liaison show okay and to spike And olivero and whatever else is going to keep us protected. I like to be a liaison liaison you're asking. That's one of those when you when you first put a resume together and you don't have many jobs. You definitely put some sort of liaison role. Leon there. liz. On how do you spell that l. i. a. s. o. n. Yeah liaison these. Yeah i i'm telling you it says fire marshal for tell. I can go look out in the hallway. It's in It's posted yeah. Go hang something else. I don't think it's martial art. Well the what are you putting your marshall. Marshall is a pretty heavy duty. Turn like when you're a fire marshal urine important. I know he's that's an important role that he plays. I know that he's not chief on fire. Chino achieve. he's not a fire. Warden can't be awarded. he's marshall something else. They gave him the title of marshall. I'm telling way he's a marshal way. I cannot wait rally. Come back and say martial. He's gonna eddie you'll know because he's coming back now and you'll probably know before al gets back. Hey eddie zack. martin is the fire. What of the floor. marshall bang. Thank you thank you very much all right well. I'm i just left it yesterday. League with with jerry with the one out two out thing. i didn't even have enough confidence to outages. No one was. There was one hundred one and then i was right and the marshall thing you guys doubt me. It's a goddamn marshall. it's a martial isn't it. Oh see tough guy was second and he just told me was marred marshall marshall i i looked posted before you walk in. Fire safety warden. He's a war safety ward. That might be a change. I know it used to be more safety safety. Used to marcia yes i still. I still think wardens a little bit much. Yeah but like. He's like a safety patrol. Guys what he is. He does patrol line august. Trolls aren't always you. Just walk through on making sure. Everybody's annoyed and i was in fifth grade. I was part of the safety patrol at timber point. Elementary were you. Yeah and i had the badge thing perfect. It was great catered that point. Too tall yeah. You'll mess with you. What was it about messing with me about helping people across the street stopping trap. Okay i thought you were like a crosswalk. Make your crimes happening. What what what sounds more important marshall award. I wash us now. Marshall marshall marshall sounds more important than marshall is like can be rank in some services but i feel like a warden is like you don't want to go see a warden warden is usually attached to a prison right as craig about that. So there's a warden right there's ward in there but we have a marshall here okay. Very good Let's let's take a couple of calls here now that we've got that settled has that. We're talking about louis. Role haas and evan roberts go back and forth on carton and roberts yesterday and stephen staten island wants to talk about. What's going on steve. Good morning what's up guys. Hey man so. I just had a couple of points. First of all by boy evans. Surprise me beautifully. I couldn't believe how are you realize there's actually uncomfortable voice but But the way of answering these things like a condescending tone like because he's the manager the move made sense. That was one of the worst moves. I've ever seen has been going back to the terry collins days where you make trach our heads every night but the guy behind Those crews was hitting like one thirty and even that but just one of the points. Sorry craig at the very end asked him if any of the coaches mentioned anything or if they even thought about it when he said no. I drove into the side of the verizon. Oh i mean nobody even mentioned it in the dugout. Even if they did steve he's not gonna throw anybody on the bus and the other thing too is like he has to come on here confidently you know. I don't we tom. I remember manager actually coming on saying sorry about what he did or didn't do joe girardi in the game against the indians in the playoff game with the review review. That's the only time i've ever remember one of those guys coming on. I don't really remember a a football coach coming on this station. Ever questioning a decision that he made because in real time when they're making those decisions they feel like they are making the right decisions and sometimes they don't turn out so it's easy to play. You know monday morning quarterback. But i will say this again in regards to that decision by louis rose to pitch to what what that was his name de la crew crews. And if you remember. I said that gary keith. And ronnie we're talking about well before it even happened that there's no way that they're going to pitch today. Crews there's no way and then they did and they were shocked so it wasn't like they were saying it. After the fact i guess yeah i guess and they pointed it out and that's why we as fans have such a hard time with that decision. Stephen stanton on said that lewis row haas was key. Phillies condescending. I don't i. Don't get that from louise. I i get a little hint of clueless this when he's answering these questions but i don't feel like he's condescending like i'm the baseball guy. You're not i actually didn't get the tech to any of that at all and the biggest issue here in the reason why there is a gap in philosophy is the mets. Don't want to admit that. Edwin d as socks. That's what it comes down to veith. Think that they have john smoltz in his prime dennis. Eckersley in his goose gossage. That's who they think that they have in that bullpen. With ed would be as they don't think that he stinks they. We all know that he does. They have a higher opinion of him. So when louise ross is saying india's he's are closer like he's the best we got where you're gonna go. He's going to go and get that guy out. He truly believes it. So that's where the gap in philosophy comes from. Let's go to john in hofstra pal. What's going on john. Good morning the morning fellows eight. You know from the manager to the gm for the players. What an embarrassment on the mets. And i'll tell you something. I think you mentioned that you can't watch. This team is not only on watchable. They are unlikable. i'm telling you. I'm sitting here watching a manage a excuse me a catcher looking. I'm saying looking at jt rail going we have an owner. Who could have gotten anyone he wants. We have we have a catcher. Who the hell's the catcher. We had a guy like michael conforto. I used to love watching. Get this guy off the team. He he hasn't had a hit since he started hitting a month ago. This team has not hit all year. How on earth is this happening. This team is a complete and utter embarrassment. I thought we were gonna have a owner. Who is going to be like the george steinbrenner get whoever he wants and now he's out there acting like a petulant child on twitter. Shut your mouth. Hire the right people and six this organization. It's a complete embarrassment. I can't. I can't watch these guys edwin being nice when you say you suck. I wouldn't want that guy in my little league team closing for me all right john. I agree with every word that you said. I can't watch them anymore. They are irrelevant in my life. I can't wait for that season to be over. I found out that. The marlins took the lead via guy. Odometer tweet. Because i didn't want to pollute my household by putting the game on my home. I was watching football. Which is the kingsport. That does everything right. That made me happy and entertain me. All the mets were just choking on their own vomit again. Oh guy from morrison. He ought to be happy great. Of course he was happy. It was up before after the yankees lost off and they were still playing but still but he also in the age. The cowboys to was a good night for him. Although the yankees lost again but yeah these guys are should not be here meaningless role haas zach scott and maybe even sandy alderson and steve collins going to have an opportunity to really show us where he wants to put this organization. If you want to continue on this hamster wheel of turds or he wants to become the dodgers east like he said what is it going to be. What's it gonna be steve. They they can end up running into a nick situation where nobody wants to come and player. You have to be careful. I mean we've feel like we've seen a little bit of vat already. I know i kind of feel. I kind of feel like lonzo's or julius randle okay. Okay and He's going to be here no matter what we do. Have an ace in. Jacob degrom Who knows what the long-term prospects you know for him mar. Hopefully he's going to be ready to go next year and his elbows going to be sound and he'll be able to lead the franchise but you know if it continues this way and they're going to have to get a manager in here. That is going to exude. Respect or command respect. I should say it's not that they don't respect lewis. I just as a young guy. He's made some awful moves. They have backfired on the team if there was a manager of day respected. That whole diesel donnie. Stevenson thing wouldn't have been going. It really wouldn't have been 'cause that was to me. Was a mockery of the coaching. Staff is what was happening in. The least role has had no idea. I have no idea what these guys are doing. I don't know what it means. I mean there's just time. And time. Again i mean even yesterday and i hate i just i hate going down this road because i feel like i'm repeating myself over and over again but there was another issue yesterday. Were jacob. degrom was annoyed with what sandy alderson said about his elbow and rightfully so he was like i know what was said. I don't know why it was said my elbows. Fine it's completely intact so like it's just another issue you've got the guy who is the the the best player we have seen on this team for the longest damn time who has to deal with the acting. Gm who never should have even been a general manager spouting off all sorts of garbage about his elbow. That apparently is true. According to jacob degrom so it's just another thing so you're gonna piss that guy off to the process of this horrible season. Sure why not. Just they are the worst. They are the absolute stone. Spoke to be better. Oh isn't that the whole thing. This is supposed to be that. That's why it's so frustrating because you that's what you thought was going to happen when steve cohen came in here but clearly you know he taught him. I'd just i just. I just feel like the in regard. Those guys coming onto the station and answering those questions It's not easy. Aaron bone in the middle of a losing streak. It's not easy for louise a row house in the middle of a losing streak especially when you're losing too bad teams like the orioles. I must in toronto's good team but miami and you lose to washington you're blown saves and you're losing games should be winning and you can't get a key hit late in the game. I mean these are all the things that kinda add up to the frustration. But i do. I don't know i kind of feel bad for. We lost because i just think that some of the stuff is out of his out of his control but when he is in control unfortunately those decisions haven't gone well for the mets. Steve cohen tweeted out last night. I know how much all of you care about this team. It doesn't go unnoticed. Okay so what does that mean. I have no idea. No clue i guess. He was poking and prodding his own fan base and being a twitter troll last night he was saying. I know much care over the responses. I should jaren sift through those com trying to brain melted. The just like just if you just gave me like two or three examples of what the responses to that were give me a better Better level of angst of the medicine. Yeah i mean. I think we understand i. I don't know if that's a good indication. But i will. I could do that if you'd like. Maybe one or two just could become frank fleming. Frank tank from barstool sports who crashed our zoom. Call wants to remember that i remember that yet. He said you need to make changes. I don't wanna watch the same bleep next year. Okay there who blow day blow everybody socks. The world sucks dan hicken. Who is a verified guy. I don't know who the hell he is. But a check guy. Blue check guy okay. Blue check guy. Dan said i made it through. One hundred and forty-one game this year. But i'm done for this season just to dan painful. Thanks for trying but we gotta make some big. You suck look at how to dress. I didn't taste fat. He's a moron. That's basically what's going on in social media but he's an idiot you're an idiot you blow. He pulls a. That's that's exactly hirsch from valley stream. You haven't done a very good job that hasn't gone unnoticed. This radio show sucks that radio show sucks. You're not interesting. Nobody cares mean. It's stuff like that you know what's going on. Yeah kind of like orlando. When he called the landau ripping me apart. Send that the friends. The morning show with boomer asya said in gregg giannotti boomer and geo football friday the first of the year jerry. Recco is back after an hour and a half of sleep after doing cowboys radio last night breaking down the loss to the buccaneers. And he's back with another update. What's happening jerry. Loaded morning powered by super book. Now opened with better odds and favourable. Prices also brought to you by winters. Brothers way systems long island's number one choice for all your waste collection and recycling needs visit winters b. r. o. s. dot com really a back and forth game last night in tampa the bucks lead for a lot of it but the cowboys did have a couple of leads including late as they kick a field goal with one twenty four to go to put them up twenty nine twenty eight but back come. Tom brady and the box as put ryan suck up in position for what turned out to be the game winner on the spot. Here's the kick by suck up. Is it good bucks. Take the lead. Thirty one. Twenty nine with two seconds left. How about the bucket. Nears defending the super bowl championship and taking the lead with just two seconds left with the mekki decker hall. Wow that's scary. Jean decker still sounds great. it does. He's doing averill long long time. Guy sounds awesome. Yup game winner their thirty one. Twenty nine bucks win bucks win bucks win. Tom brady three seventy nine. Through the air. Four touchdowns couple of interceptions here was suck up. very cool to do what he did with the full building special You know last year we. We didn't have any you know we had some fans but it wasn't like tonight not like tonight. Were packed and loud here was brady talking about spreading the ball around. Because he got it to everybody. Antonio brown chris godwin rob gronkowski. They all got their part. Have confidence and all those guys you know. I've been here eighteen months now. So i've had a lot of time with chris. And mike and scottie scottie. Miller who is referencing. Here's gronk couple of touchdowns for him but that's not. The story. Herself we got to win was most meaningful is just getting the win. 'cause you can have as many totti's and you don't get that win you know what's the point you know that's what it's all about is getting getting a couple totti's he'd certainly had them. Last night had ninety yards receiving. I believe as well in the game for dak prescott. He was back after the ankle injury. The shoulder injury four hundred and three yards passing three touchdowns the positive for him. Like i'm a better player than i wasn't expert expectations for myself and i'll continue to try to get better game in a game in the end the laws. I do not see thing. He didn't speak. I do not see jerry jones video okay game not yet anyway. I'm sure it will surface. Let me take this. Colliers is some we have not talked about in the game quite yet. Rubin in georgia joins us. What's going on ruben guys. I won't. I've been looking guys for a while. I'm actually originally from more battle on. I played against you back in the day. When you were playing in your bellport. They probably kicked our ass ruben. We lost north. Babylon suffolk county championship. Nineteen ninety nine yet you. Yes that's right so we also i boom on us online over there during that game to come down to the games and and Just for the championship games. I e size of games too. I mean you know. I mean come on. There's nothing like a great high school football game. That's right games or what. We're always fun when we played them as well. Do you would. did you play on that. Omar palmer team was at the team you plan on. Yeah the omar palma to bury bigger teams other people on the team as well. They were great great players. What do you got for. I got a quick question last night. During that game. They had that Passionate parents call that was caused by the facemask. I just don't understand how they gave that two penalties in one. It was like you know. They wanted to get to london because they call the facemask which wasn't a face mask by the way and inside either but they called it a flagrant facemask. That's why it got tacked on. About what the official was looking at. I mean look at the side of the helmet but it didn't look like he had the facemask right and i thought you were going to talk about the godwin pass interference or non coal offense pass interference push off that got him in field goal range at the end of the game. That's another good one. But that i just couldn't understand. And then when he finally made the final call. It was a and the face masks which caused the passing fear. I just never seen anything like that. I just figured maybe you had some insight on that one boom no day call today flagrant facemask. That's why like i say flagrant they call it a personal foul they don't have any other ones right. The burton ones. I don't think they do ago. Yeah they don't do that now so now face to face mask and the penalty going to be tacked on. I'm glad they didn't call that offense on that. On on the play where there was the offsetting penalties with the taunting and the unnecessary roughness with the to lineman yes so he comes in and they catch his face and he's got a he must have heard something field is wide open. He was like he's the one that threw the flag on. I think he threw it on. Janssen the offensive lineman at the tampa. Bay buccaneers is a guy with red hair in the hall of any as a lunatic is certainly a lunatic. Yeah no i know that was pretty remember. We're talking about taunting on the field. Sometimes the referees here things that we don't hear so then they may throw the flag. And i think that's what happened on that play. Maybe so we're often running. Sunday jetson panthers. You've got the sam. Darnold zach wilson. The storyline giants broncos sunday. It certainly looks like saquon. Barkley will play so good there steelers bills in buffalo pittsburgh signing tj. What four year contract one. Twelve eighty million dollars said to be guaranteed. And you have the injuries with the ravens. Gus edwards marcus peters to miss the season with torn sales that according to multiple stories to the baseball in a rough night for the yankees who lost the blue jays yet again and romano deals line. Drive basit left. Centerfield jackson scores lamb. Goes the third. The throw goes into the second. There's an second when his covered up by wade basin at an rbi for toronto takes. Three john sterling. Yes that put them in front three two. They would wind up winning this game. Six two four blue jays completing their first four-game sweep in the bronx in eighteen years. First time since two thousand three. I don't wanna say they did it with ease. But they really took it to the yankees here. Vlad guerrero juniors home run on the ninth. Inning proved to be the difference Shit with that. Rbi single he also homered in this game. And i'm not a. I'm not even familiar with this guy. Breivik valera With a pinch at rbi double in the ninth inning as well. Here was aaron boone. Enough this already. His team has now dropped six in a row. and it's ten of twelve. We've been through this throughout the season we're up against it again And we look forward to going out in turning this around tomorrow all right well. They play the mets tomorrow's now tonight. How about stanton we mentioned him that. Slide in the bottom of the fourth single trying to stretch it to a w was jogging then he spread it to sprint. We and he did not get hurt. Did he pulled up Did not get you know. Took a risk in and it didn't pay off and then it was o.'neil that so she tweeted that again the other day well of course knowledge after all of this. That was over. Not her thing. That's what is a On brand for her here was aaron. Judge surreal. You guys gonna make the playoffs. It looked like a lock couple of weeks ago and now Of this teams capable of everybody in this room knows what the teams capable of got a lot of ball games. You know. Mr cortes who made the start was asked by meredith about the losing. Do you think there is a sense of urgency in that clubhouse right now i mean yeah definitely during a secrets anybody You know we. We've had a best stretch of the past ten game ahead a terrorist balloon fest. Wow cortez six innings to run ball so the yankees are now seventy eight and sixty two. The blue jays with this four-game sweep are seventy seven and sixty two. As for the mets. We talked about brad hand coming into the game last night and he had his issues for sure. Throwing strikes breaking ball to the backstop throw to third third base. Jackson is a fortuitous karen. From a off the back wall right but as you can tell keith was more interested in the horrific pitch that went wide although although they did get an out of it meantime. Our friend jazz chisholm. There you go. Yeah just conforto goes back. Looks saw the second jazz. Jazz puts miami and one with the monstrous show's climax some scores. He pulled them jim. Brad heller did. That's true that is very true. Three to the final shows gypsum. Junior junior junior familiar gave up the chisholm. Homerun become my favorite though. Jim scores scores too. Funny louis row hasso. He bats in the top happening comes out gets the first out in sandy. Leon hits the little number if you will That took a weird hop and so he ends up on first base and then row haas takes him out. And so steve. Jobs says wold y rome-based in just the edge festival seder for a little bit more chance to get a ball through Enough instrument for the third time. It can be very comfortable after seeing a lot of pitches in the previous two about all right very analytical. I get it now. This is the one were jobs asks him so we talked about jd. Davis he wasn't good enough to pinch hit in the night before. Instead you put up. Patmos zeke who's baton. Oh fifty not that bad but you get my point yet. When davis came up last night with a guy on third allowed him to hit off the same pitcher. So gibbs wanted to know why the no last night you said you you did not like the jd davis versus bender matchup. Why did you feel differently tonight. In alleged j. d. it there the as answer into one situation and the singer fell is going to be probably more used That's what is the sinker j. Spot pat swing down there. This summer aligns with his bat path. Okay and by the way this. What i'm talking about i lord. That's horrible. And i know i make fun of a lot of guys for the way that they ask the questions. That that's a steve jobs as the perfect question just perfect question and he got an answer out of them that we can all make fun of because louise role haas once again sounded clue before the game with evan santa cool after the game addressing reporters. Yeah very very bad path with the sinker boomer bat path. Welcome to baseball in twenty twenty right tonight. Subway series begins at city field. Man jordan montgomery. Tyler mcgill are the starters. We'll have it for you on the fan at six thirty Nineteen year old layla. Fernandez advances to the women's final at the us. Open taking on eighteen year. Old emma redac- anew. I'll go with that. She was a qualifier. I believe they said. I ever qualifier to make it to the women's final and coming up next hour it won't take long but we're going to put out versus eddie as we get set for the nfl season. Ooh i liked going the ring in here. What are we going to do. No ball on the floor gets it could do that. I was going to go all. That'd be awesome. That'd be awesome with those guys. Abu graceful rake for digital. We could do it for digital. There's a room though. And he's a big do it out there and you can do it on your phone just like we did with the catch the other day. Fight like elbow pads. I'd do it because of that right. Rug burn on on right helmet go head to hey behind me and we have mississippi state dak helmet there. We didn't think there is so there you go. We got a couple of helmets. Let's do it. I'll throw the ball before. We got a whistle. I could hurt. Al really would not because i'm so strong but you know he's one and a half times his way a kicker but i feel like you're soft you know what i'm saying. Wait is eight hours. One hundred could significantly hurt you. Wanna fumble drill. Yes on a fumble drill. Yeah could break a rib. Just that's why. I think it should be gio and eddie. Wow that'd be good like a sumo wrestling right more fair. It's a little more pound for pound. this is home. Unfit used turnout. I've tried to put that on my head and cowan's without pads just increase the likelihood of injury but we want to protect your head if you know. Snap a finger or something who cares. He's got dolphins helmeted. His office signed by dan marino. You put that on. Why not an autograph helmet the autograph make it look real. what about. Because i don't want to get involved in this. Because i feel bad. If he he's got that thing on the diabetes testing what about marash the two of us out here plus crossover digital platforms. Yeah right we'll do that and he would he be all in. Of course he would not get fully naked for this either. He's got to do it right here in front of us or you know not room i. I think we should do it out there more room. All right i'm in. let's do it. Are we doing bullying the ring. Redoing fumble. I think we do the fumble through the phone. The ring is like i give you the ball. And then he tries to tackle you but the the fumble joe you guys actually crackheads shoulder you just throw the ball on the ground and they have to and you wanna maybe still some cushions from that Wind seating area. Throw him down. yeah. I don't think so little protection. Rug burn all snap finger here there dislocated gonna let him just pounce on the ball and then we're just going to step on them. That's what i'm gonna do. Just walk right over. Did he play any sports in high school. Plays flag football now he does. I know that. I don't know about if he actually played any sports in high school. He's younger than me to you. Might even be quicker. Believe it or not non thing so he might pay could be he. Could i think spunky definitely. But it's still like a firearm spunk. Lot of spunk. We'll we'll work on that show digital is. Can i still do my allan anything or is that off the table. Now i want to hear. That's millions of americans are using good rx to save on their prescriptions. Here is teri story. I was working with a major corporation and there are several others who were given our goodbye. Once that happened. I had no choice but to go ahead and sign up for medicare their times. I can use good. 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Tame it is it's the pixie analysis the information mix with the laughter and the entertainment smart sports betting content. That will put a smile on your face bet network streaming live each day and hoping you bet smarter. If you're a sports fan you why you should listen eight sports betting content without the bs. No hot takes no nonsense the bed too well network streaming live right now on odyssey sports fast and entertainment the morning show with woomera science and in gregg giannotti boomerang zero i did you see any of the pre-game stuff last night. Yeah on nbc. Saw some of it. I was going back and forth between the mets the yankees. The pre-game stuff sure. Yes so i was catching a little bit of everything. Anything stand out to you. About the pre-game stuff. Chris simms hair. Well okay. hair is where i was going. It was not going to chris simms. His hair was it. Drew brees is here. Yes indeed okay. The man has got a new head of hair. Yes he does so good for him and i'm wondering if he went to the same guy that tom brady went to because his hair has gotten better and better and better over the years. Yeah wasn't west walker. Par that too. Or i'm not sure if wes welker was but if if i didn't know what drew brees hair looked like prior to this i would never know. That wasn't his real hair yet. Because chris was high in tight. Oh of course. He is absolutely high in tight him. Maria taylor instant chemistry the two of them. Yeah maria taylor out of espn writing the chris simms arms perfect. Yeah absolutely perfect. I'm looking at this. They may have just given them that spray on. Hair that al michaels uses and doug gottlieb use stevia back in the office here when he worked for. Cbs sports radio spray on here. I don't think so. I think that is more than spray on here. I think that is like a real legit transplant. Hair they blow. No that's a that's a toupee we're talking about there for that man but no i think. This is the clip of kim jones describing. Steve somers hair and she didn't know that it was a piece. I had no idea amazing. Like his hair. Looks unbelievable and that age unbel- it just looks great. And ed coleman was. I think it was came. Ed kalman and coleman didn't wanna say anything like Looking grape it really keeps keeps books phenomenal. Just the scores scored twenty we. Yes so some new hair. They're good for him. he's looking good getting ready for his. Tv stop yes. And then they had life. Chris collins worth son was a part of this. I mean it's like you got you got Phil sonya signing competition. Jackson's joe swiggum. Yes so yeah. That's what they do. They're at nbc. They kick the dads out higher the sons and then there you go just rolling but jack sounds just like his dad. He looks like his dad. he definitely does. Yeah i mean where did he come from. what was he doing. He'd been doing college football and doing some other things for like i. i don't know if it was bleacher. Report i know he was doing stuff at espn and then all of a sudden left the espn and then came over here that he didn't play like chris. Now he's just not guy was in media extremely talented kid very smart kid and certainly. If you didn't know his that you wouldn't even think twice about it. But the back knows that. And he sounds just like what. Mike victim shot on mike vick. Yeah so is drew. Brees gonna get delicious. Gtm griller products buenos tacos amigos. We'd the fact that he was in a poncho and sombrero for that. It's just that's really the best part of it. The timing taco's amigos. It was a different time in america. That point the car dealership there called jake sweeney. Okay and he. And i would be a do. A lotta jake sweetie car commercials in mike full Headdress or something. Or now just like i think back to us doing those commercials and what it was like. Just how ridiculous they were so was drew. Brees gonna take. Chris collins where job eventually. Yeah but i think. I think drew is also doing some notre dame stuff by the way notre dame stream only this week on peacock is so if you're a notre dame fan and you're looking around the all the old notre dame fans out there and not gonna like this stream only peacock peacock. Where's the game every what's going on even before it was. Tv notre dame was on tv. And now john peacock. Oh i've got a peacock for you folks. They're also going to thing. Peacock is nbc. Because that's the peacock go to channel. Nbc is the. I mean. I think older people know it as the peacock network people were talking back mean like nobody thinks right and on channel four stupid. I wanna know what's on nbc. You'll find out. I'll do it in a break. What's on nbc. When the notre dame game is on that all the people are gonna flock to thinking it's going to be the notre dame game and it's going to be something like you know world's craziest animals or something stupid maybe could be got no world's strongest men or something down we have the rights to that. You're at cbs sports network. What time is this game to. We know i'll go notre dame schedule gay names just google. It and it is is two thirty. Pm toledo at notre dame. Two thirty pm will toledo. That's why they're putting on peacock but still notre dame fans are notre dame fans. I want to see their teams x. Amount games you know. This has never happened before. all right. So what does on nbc. Who is going to be the bigger the bigger winners this weekend is going to be notre dame over toledo virginia tech over middle tennessee state alabama over mercer or lsu over many mcneese state. I hope it's lsu. Monique who has the biggest victory. Eddie you would know. I would say alabama mercer alabama's basically a pro team yes. Ra feats the morning. Show with boomer esiason and greg boomer and geo why the giants disrespect the vegas this week. Boomer i don't understand we've been talking about this for a couple of days and i am not locked into the broncos. Football like Maybe somebody out in denver would be in somebody who's an afc west fan. I mean i understand the team the roster their defense the pass rush. I do know that vic fangio has gotten him to run the ball pretty damn well out there and they've got a good offensive line but for them to come across the country with teddy bridgewater. Who was underwhelming at best last year to a giants team that i thought was pretty impressive in year. One of joe judge after a really good off-season would saquon barkley. Healthy and young joke is going to be playing. We'll find out. Guess about golladay coming up. The broncos are a three point favorite at metlife stadium for the first time giants fans in over a year. Like wow what am. I missing running game in defense for denver especially bradley chubb. Those played in practice. I think the last two days. And i think they will get him to play this week. And you have those outside pass rushers. That's going to be a big. It's a big ask for an offensive line is going through some growing pains now. It looks like nate. Solar is going to the starting right tackle for the young So mad perk goes to the sideline. i don't know if they're going to alternate. I don't know how they're going to do that. But it'll be interesting to watch how that plays itself out during the game especially with these two outside pass rushers so i think there's a healthy respect for denver is other than the quarterback position. I think most people feel like they have a really good solid team but the quarterback situation has been holding them back especially in that division. Teddy bridgewater is a guy always have a ton of respect for after what he went through with the injury and come back and starting and he's been in a couple of different places but no he's a size is a solid. Nfl quarterback at one point in time he was a rising starter for the minnesota vikings that that horrific knee injury you know and everybody respects him. Everybody likes him. It's kind of like tyrod taylor. Everybody respects them and everybody likes him and everybody would love for him to be on your team. The question is are they as good or can they be as good as the other quarterbacks that they're going to be playing against named patrick mahomes justin. Herbert derek clarke. No the answer. We all know the answer to that. So but this is sometimes you know word teams find themselves. They have to find a stopgap gap. This is what fits has been doing entire career. The jets use them as a stopgap. Miami used him as a stopgap washington's now going to use them as a stopgap. He was a stopgap cincinnati. He had his chance as a main starter in buffalo. But it didn't work out but he's good enough to basically win you eight or nine games if he's on the right team with the right support system. Yeah and the broncos bridgewater's gonna find find that here. Yeah i mean it's not like they are chock full of weapons. They do of jerry judy. There i know noah fant is a good pass catching tight end. You'll melvin gordon. They're starting running back in. You know he's a guy that's toward always always gets hurt too. Yeah of course so. I mean it's not like you know teddy. Bridgewater is walking into one of the offenses and the weapons that we saw him throwing the ball down the field. You know fifty yards five times in this game. Giants have better weapons in the broncos. I feel i feel like they do but again. There's a huge question mark around daniel jones. All right you have to take one quarterback to win a game rosters equal teddy bridgewater. Daniel daniel john. Yeah i would too. So i mean i. Just there's a lot of advantages in the the biggest disadvantage. We have talked about the entire time. Census matchup came out. Was the giants offensive line. There tackles against the edge. Rushers of the broncos outside of that. I think the giants have an advantage in almost every other fast lane and especially the long game for them to beat a dead horse here but you know the dead horse will but the point is if you watch brady play last night balls out boom balls out boom and when he does hold it you know he's stepping up to the pocket and he throws it down the sideline to antonio brown. Does that pass. That he throws to gronk The score the second touchdown for gronk. You know it's a little block in delay and go and this is in the face of bullets coming. By the way and tom brady is retreating knowing that the blitz coming and he allows the bliss get to him and they just calmly throws the ball over the blitzer head right into the hands of gronkowski takes a for touchdown. That's the calmness. That's the understanding of your offense. And that's the understanding of seen what the defense is doing to you that daniel jones has got to get to so. He doesn't get nervous when situations like that happen. Man you know this line hasn't moved at all either. Like i thought maybe it calmed down two and it's comes down to nfl. Fans betting. And i i just wonder if the giant fan really is all that confident and the influence that al dukes has had now on the giant fan over the last two weeks especially with his twitter putting out the schedule and the wind losses in the whole thing and i wonder how much that affected the line. Where is the giant fan going into this year. Are they confident. Are they cocky. Are they nervous. We haven't heard from a lot of them you know. We don't take coal call after call on this show but i mean for the most part like the confident giant fan that i know in my life has not been chirping much while again going into this year so i think most of the giant of my life loved the head coach. Yeah they love the direction that the head coach is going in and they like that kind of the way he talks the way he runs. Practice says the old school approach if you will So i think that the giant fan loves that but i think the The giants fan has a real trepidation. When it comes to daniel jones they they just don't know they just they don't know and would saquon coming back and you think with all these other additions that it's time now for jones take the next step. Of course it is. I mean and that's why. It's so important for these quarterbacks to ignite a fan base with josh allens done. That's what patrick mahomes don does with dak prescott has done. That's tom brady. Did down in tampa and up in new england That's what aaron rodgers and Brett farve green bay. This is this is why fans getting bob. Because they know they got that guy at that position could lead them. Are you telling me to make or break year for your break. Make or break to me. I don't know a phil. simms would agree with that. Sounds like a make or break your eye. Let's put the rookies out of the conversation for a second yup words. Daniel jones lie on your list of the top quarterbacks in the nfl music towards the bottom of that length is right in the middle somewhere in the middle. Would you say so. We're talking the the the second and first and second year players out there because he's in his third second-year player will i am putting in there. I i much rather have joe borough and much rather have justin herbert all right. I'll give you a couple others okay. How 'bout will you mentioned. You'd take daniel jones over teddy bridgewater right. Would you take daniel jones over. sam darnold. Yes would you take daniel jones over antidote. Yes okay would you take daniel. Jones of a ryan fitzpatrick. Yes okay. So we got the reason. I'm saying that is because the tag alabama to attack talent out of town. I see upside for dana jones. I'd like to see that this is going to be the next step for him. What about daniel jones at to attack a to who i mean he's doing al pacino. Who were doing that. Can you ask me ten games. In the season i can. I can have my sports talk. Put you on the spot. This is daniel jones a to attack on a ton of a tunnel in alabama. I'm taking daniel. Yeah so there's good. There's a good chunk of quarterback daniel jones better then. Yes what about. Jared goff golfer. Jones goths in a bad spot. He's in a really bad spot. Terrible spot he is but he's super bowl. Quarterback got his team there There's something about him that that franchise the rams didn't like so that tells me all. I need to know i still have to see more from daniel jones. Here's an interesting one. Would you take daniel. Jones are carson wentz. I was so fricking bad last year. Man but you know you also have to take into account when to situation. And i think i i think i. He's got a chance to have tremendous year. If i know my roommate. Yes if i know my college roommate. He is about as humble as they come but he's also fierce when it comes to backing up his guys and how competitive he as a coach but you would never know it. 'cause on how he carries himself. Daniel jones jalen hurts daniel jones daniel. Jones jameis winston. That's an interesting one. I take jesus right. Because i this maniacs gonna throw fifty touchdown passes. I'm telling you. Is you got that surgery. You saw his offseason workouts. I got ready. Let's all right. Did a disservice to themselves by. Not starting james winston. When drew brees went out he would have taken in super bowl. But now that you said the same thing about cam. Newton last year by the way got all the guy didn't forget that covert fog. Oh that's what happened. Covert fog okay. He was great in the beginning of the season. We all have some bad ones. We know that it hap. I'd haskins haskins one. But i'm blaming. Covert for cam newton. That's what happened. The old The big c came in and took him out. Let's go to mike and manhattan. What's going on mike long time. No talk football seasons back. It's not for lack of effort. I'm i've. I've wanted to chat a few times. I can't get through you. Guys are popular group. Wow well that's good to hear what's going on today mike. Well you know. I'm jacked up Obviously for the season and the bills and actually wanted to go back to some stuff. You're talking about yesterday. There's a little piece when you guys were chatting about allen. I'll probably it's back to jail. Jones is a moment. You're talking about him right now. Giants fans obviously top of mind but with allen. So he's the first few years you you talked about like there's a lot of skepticism even amongst bills fans with him and doubting whether he was the guy. I'm not i'm certainly not one of those people that's like. I always knew i knew was this guy would be great. It's not that. But like there's things that i was seeing with alan early in his career like. Yeah he's doing dumb stuff. He was making mistakes but like it was also like just moments of like a bad ass a competitor the guy that wanted it so bad a leader and i saw that should be something like this dude awesome. He's gonna figure it out. I know you've met the first two years the first year. Especially if i'm like. I am so pumped have this guy now going back to jones like boomer you keep i get it you talk about offsides. Guys does a great ball. He's really athletic. Smart kid he's a good kid but just kind of goes back to like when you look at him looking at i like i just don't really see it. A competitor. a guy that's going to deliver lead attack knock daniel jones time. It's just. I don't know if i'm articulating it. Well you just don't understand what you're saying. I i totally. Thanks for the call. And i think you're you're kind of right like this. Is the sam darnold thing about the conversation that sam darnold have with the media this week in regards playing his former team yeah. I'd have a huge chip on my shoulder. I hope he does. I don't wanna see this. I don't wanna see this. You know melba toast quarterback show up on sunday and you know and not go out there and try to just absolutely ripped crap out of you have to be competitive. I'm sure he is behind. It just wasn't going to create new headline and mike. Mike was right about josh. And just because this is exactly what. I've been saying you could see there's brilliant plays. They're the game wasn't really over his head physically anyway because he was running like a maniac jumping over guys and you know and his teammates love it but he still made a million mistakes like we haven't seen that from daniel jones. You gotta see you got to have a little attitude his rookie season. We saw flashes like when we first saw him. It was an accurate getting down the field. He was quick he was running. And then it was just like turnovers turnovers in bed throws than you felt like fourth quarter. Two minutes down a touchdown down there was no way right sacks and it was just it seemed like the flashes went away. You need you and unfortunately for him. You need more than just flashes. This year also has a second offense again. I can't impress upon you enough. Just how difficult that is especially for a young quarterback. So i'm believing that second year offense you'll jason garrett is going to be like kellen moore was last night now. If you can't run against the bronco defensive line and frigging let's go. Let's go got this quarterback because he's supposed to be able to do with dak prescott was trying to do last night absolutely through the air we can handle this and good for dak. You gotta get to that next level and that's why this is a make or break year. We'll get back to your music shortly. But i did. You know that prescription prices are different at different pharmacies. You could literally drive across the street and get a different price. That's crazy but with good rx. You can instantly compare prices at every pharmacy in your neighborhood and save up to eighty percent. You're probably thinking there's a catch right. No it's one hundred percent free and can save you money whether you have insurance or not in fact it can often be your copay. Download the good rx app today and start saving. Good rx is not insurance wage. 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All your favorite local radio stations and podcasts. On odyssey the morning show with woomera science and in gregg giannotti boomer. Ngo brittany spears added again on instagram. If you guys didn't see she posted a picture of her where she was had a mere. And then she got the picture of her back and the caption was. Here's my ass. And it was a picture of her ass in a thong and then she followed up that picture with a video that said for those of you who didn't believe this was my ass. This is my ass and she started dancing to show everybody that it was indeed her real ass so she is having a Another one of these classic instagram. Britney spears issues so she does not need a conservative. I oh she should be free to do whatever she wants. Here's my ass is what she said. Yeah the videos good. There's gotta be some mo boy there's got to be one and ask because as she said the video you can't touch up video you're gonna touch up a photo. Yes she's she's a fan of that. 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When with better odds and favorable prices also brought to you by jack pocket. Play officials state lottery games on your phone. Good night for the defending champion tampa. Bay buccaneers to dallas shotgun snap brady first and ten long pass down. The paul did a goal line touchdown antonio brown. What can you do. the lives. Forty seven yard touchdown pass by tom. Brady his third touchdown passes tonight on the fan. Oh thirty one twenty nine. The bucks beat the cowboys. It would take a ryan suck up game winner from thirty six yards out with two seconds to go on the fourth lifting tampa past dallas. Here was brady on nbc. He really spread the ball around even found rob gronkowski five times for ninety yards and a couple of touchdown. We played together a long time. So i think that's part of plane with someone as long as that. We have a few tools and our two bucks and groff made a great adjustment and glad we execute it the way that we talked about it. I said five catches eight for rob. Gronkowski was five for brown for the one. Twenty-one here was gronk. Not too bad for a season opener brady was on. Nbc this on westwood. One tired out there a little bit. Pick up my game a little bit. But i was the first game of the season playing on sixty minutes to but overall did pretty well not too bad. As for the cowboys the storyline really dak prescott as he was back from the injuries in the surgery. Four hundred and three yards passing was efficient three touchdowns one picking a lawsuit felt great throughout at didn't play that many times and not never questioned my health or Being able to fifty times or how fill out there. I'll tell you what a hundred and eight pass attempts what I mean you. you've had like combined. Eight hundred forty eight yards total. I think eight hundred a lot. It was a lot through the air but it was a lot. Yeah and seven touchdown passes and only one sack. He would just crossed my mind. I'm sure someone else would have brought this up. The way gronk said know. I was a little tired. Whatever needs an older player and this is a team. That's gonna win a bunch of games. He think we're going to see some sort of load management now at seventeen games. I do sort of something where guys get sat down or like maybe guy like brady if they're up by like three touchdowns and play the third quarter or something wrong. It's like there's going to be cut with a running back or receiver there. I'm telling you these coaches and these players. Something will happen now at seventeen games. I could see that. I think well eddie just whispered something in my ear. Could there be a team liffey into we go after week. Fifteen yeah undefeated and they sure the number one seed in their respective conference And got two games left. Yeah like to go if yourself to do they end up playing sook. Rich boy boy says that sometimes yeah got his penalty. Is this ellen any game that you're gonna do. What do all right. How trying to finish up the cowboys did that. We have the jets and carolina. So i thought it would be a good time at you can hit the music. We're going to play a little game for the first time that we know the jets are very young team. Go to who the hell's in their secondary so it's time now for the very famous boomer and gio game who is that jet. Is he a jet or is he just a new yorker. Oh just had new yorkers these real names. They're all real okay. I'm sure we could find them somewhere in the white pages rx or made up name one hockey thing. Yeah we're going gonna start with al. We'll go with you. I go back and forward you can always take. You can't take still to get it wrong wrong choice airbase so you get to go first player. Number one is the gen. Brandon echoes or byron homes byron homes and wrong for one any yards earned. Who is the jet willie. Geist jackson for john. Franklin myers guys jackson kind. That you guys peacock i over one eight nolan's in the league right now. We are tied at zero al back to you. Who is the jet. Jamie sherwood. Or james thomson james thompson this great. Let's see if you can take the lead. Who is the jet sheldrick red wine for tristen rum shawl red wine. Good job i got one. Guess i like shaun because they enjoy rid wind jerry just to be. These guys are on the fifty three man roster on the depth chart. Okay as of yesterday they are on the chart yes again and he's up one nothing al. Who is the jet. All mirian answer or javelin do a gigiri unser over three my man i would have said that javelin gigiri would be the deed. Yes all right. Hey to take dominant to nothing lead. Who is the jet. Bryce whole or brian sa- mayes. Good up to nothing all right. This is it out. If you don't get this over then you won't be able to come back. Who is the jet morgan. Moses were caleb abraham caleb abraham for the game or with multiple choice fifty ally. Try any congratulations to more. Good job at the fake names jerry. Do one more. I will give you for extra credit if you can get this. Who is the jet timmy. Northfield or trayvon west. Go west go. Who have you know a fullback. Fullback music fullback. So all right eddie. You got three good at all but good try. I suppose for jets. In panthers on sunday i. Let's get to the yankees last night. As as they fell short to the blue jays. The to two is line to left. Centerfield heading toward third is taos. Go the throat. Second hiccups house go home. The throw home is safe. The ball was dropped now. It's funny john sterling van. You went to atlantic city last week. And you've talked about doing red black. I mean you just had fifty fifty shot five times in a row added you do on roulette while i Not great. I was trying out a system. I was reading about online. That did not work out then. I used my own system. And i am. I got most of my money back but not all of your own system. Yeah which is what. Modifications the west coast. I'm west coast. I modified the system. I was using that. I read about online. I feel like roulette systems totally kochta. Evidently they are like blackjack systems. I can understand that but roulette. It's an individual spin every single time z. For kochta system modified for people who are scared to bet a large amounts of money is the system. Where when you lose you double your bet and then if you lose again you double that that. If you lose again you double at six thousand dollars i mean. Have you not learned anything since working here. I did i did. I did hear craig on the air prior to me going there him saying. Don't chase your losses. And i was down like four hundred dollars in roulette. Offer me like i'd never. I don't like the bet and i was like I really could just grab another four hundred break even here but i did not try that so he learned but there was a debate over. You know what is down big. What isn't big. If i said i was down big in atlantic city. What amount of money would that need to be a thousand dollars. If rouse was forty dollars. I thought four hundred dollars on. Consider down big just. Because i don't like to lose money. Yeah i mean it's it's significant but if you if you went out of your way to tell you were down big i would think a thousand dollars but four hundred not good. I'd be pissed down four hundred dollars. That's four hundred bucks. That's a great. Dinner is what that is in then. New down four hundred and then you go to dinner those normally down six hundred basis that porterhouse that you gina lake not cheap. Yeah right well. He's a piece of big swing. There's some fun. Yes hey so. You lost four hundred dollars on roulette. Would you like a free sweet. Like i don't think he's one of those big fish that comes in oh suite. We have gone sweet sweet out in vegas infinity pool on the top floor. Nice uncomfortable was he. Yes i feel. Like eddie loves situations like that rich people and i actually. This is never done in that place. Like i saved the leftovers from the room service pizza and put it in the fridge and then had it like for lunch thing which i don't think ever happens. I just couldn't not do that surprise. You didn't sleep on the pizza box outside that that you could put an entire football team in that suite that we have. Yeah it was unbelievable ridiculous sitting down first thing watching fox news. Few it's awesome. That's why he was uncomfortable. When the car bombs came he was of course right. Marlins beat the mets three two. You got the subway series beginning tonight. It's montgomery and tyler mcgill will have it on the fan at six thirty. And all weekend long each the morning show with boomer esiason and greg boomerang geo jets at one o'clock and giants at four twenty five on sunday and you've got some doubleheaders to both networks have double header so in the one o'clock window for fox going up against carolina and the jets on cbs is going to be philadelphia and atlanta and then on cbs. In the afternoon we have to obviously Four twenty five games ninety percent of the country including new york is going to get a lower new york at least Is going to get kansas city and cleveland. Where about ten percent of the country's gonna get miami new england okay and then for fox late me see fox late fox. Late has two games as well. They have green bed world liens and they have denver at the giants denver and the giants you know. Obviously in the mid. It's kinda like the midwestern states shower where the bronco fans all right so it looks like it's about an eighty twenty split that green bay new orleans will be seen in about eighty percent of the country and denver new york giants about twenty. Of course. I mean that. Green bay new orleans games are going to be a very popular game. Rogers all the drama in the off season and everything else can wait. Let's go to vinnie cliff clinton. What's going on vinnie radio so out there. Thanks man. what do you got today. I real quick giants stuff. That bill fan calls up and says he doesn't have you know a fire Competitive fire is jones. Forget the for five touchdowns and parenthood fifty yards. A game is rookie year and his first game in the nfl marched up the field up and down on tampa blonde the game. I mean field goal but you wealth. Didn't our confidence in me to his meeting. I was gonna say the same. Who's like what What is this guy. Thinking wants to so goals. So real. Quick i just think defense is underrated. I know you guys know how good they can be. And i think that the gonna give us a chance to win the division. This matt ryan. Patrick does not scare me We them every year. I really do think we're gonna take this division And i just think jones. I mean everyone knows uses atlassian. Everybody had to do covert a new coach. New system a new line. No sikwan no wide receivers. I mean there's a lot riding on this year. I agree but you gotta give them some kind of passed last year. You look great is rookie. I i'm not scared about jones. So i worry about the line i definitely do but Also tell there is no system to win at said before individuals spin yeah. There's no doubt duke system now like the kansas city model. We got the al dukes model right. Yes who the heck saves wound service pizza. The man's hoarder. Thanks for everything. We appreciate the kind words thing. The secondary could be one of the best in football the giant seconds. Yes could be now daniel jones. I mean it is sort of unfair thing to say that his face makes you think that he's not going to be a great competitor. Well others one of the reasons like they. They wanted daniel johns because he he is a lot like. Eli just yeah. He's a low maintenance guy he's not going to be but again. I want my quarterback to stand out. I want my quarterback to be. Become tom brady. I wanna become dak. Prescott guys are leaders. You see it you see that. You know this exactly. Who josh allen. And patrick mahomes. Our leaders lamar jackson leaders. Those guys are immediately when they stepped on the field. You but that's what you want. Now at daniel you want wanna see that leadership ability and There's nothing there's nothing more than i would want to see him to be successful. Yeah i mean in that same here for a couple of reasons. I mean one. If he's not going through another regime change there. I don't think gentlemen would hang around daniel jones. You'd have to draft another quarterback or do something else there and that means it would have a really bad year and it'd be another year of just pathetic new york football so you know how yesterday we were talking about. How peyton manning. Set the standard for all quarterbacks that come after him because of his preparation daniel jones has that he has the film room. Jumpiness all that kind of stuff that you want that. Zach wilson is being lauded for over the jets floor park facility so he has all of that. There's there's no question that now it comes down to the processing and getting rid of the ball being accurate. Don't take the sax. Don't see. Tom brady gets hit on the farm last night By was it rainy greg. Thank and he doesn't fumble the ball because of his fundamentals in the pocket. He's got two hands on the ball. Even chris was saying last night. I can't believe he didn't fumble the ball and you know he didn't bubble ball because this is what he does. Just wait dozen the off season. He practices every single day to make sure. I want wanna play like that happens. The ball doesn't come out of his hands right so jones. I mean you gotta hope that. That's what daniel jones has been doing applying himself. We're kind of putting them to a little bit of a high standard these guys or the guys that now have set the standards and this is why when you go through the interview process. When you're drafting these kids you wanna know. Look i'll give you potentially three hundred fifty to five hundred million dollars. It'd be my starting quarterback gotta know that you can be the leader in. I can count on you for ten years of. I'm going to give you that kind of money. I don't want you to turn the deshaun watson. all that's totally different. I mean they were talking about weird sexual massage stuff again. It's it may be off the field stuff. Yeah but it still reflects poorly on the ability that every. Nfl team wants to make sure that their new quarterback has and that is the dedication to their sport and that's what comes first in their life because of the money that they are going to make some day in the decisions that are going to have to be made by the people. We're gonna pay these guys. What's the best recent example of a guy who has been average his first two years and then that third bigger might baker mayfield. Too bad coaches two systems. He was running the team as a young kid when he had no business being that guy and they bring in stansky who you know very well from minnesota they start running the ball. He starts he. He stopped with the nonsense and all of a sudden baker mayfield and his commercials. Now is likable. Because they're winning and they have good team they got one of the better teams in the league and their roster is stacked they still l. me feel while they're still waiting but here's the thing i may come. It may come during the season may come and anytime this week. It may come but not a lot of examples of guys like that josh. Allen was that guy know like i told you he yeah i guess but all of a sudden game was refined his third year. But didn't you. Then you see more josh allen. The first two years. And you saw on daniels. I saw i saw it coming out of college. I saw it. But i also saw daniel jones in college get his ass kicked you know at duke and keep his teams in games against better better. Better talent faster defenses And he stood tall. And all those games got the crappy out of him. So he's got the toughness he's got the will to want to be great now. The question is can finally get to the game where you know. It's refined enough. Where josh allen. Basically you've hit the ground running last year veto calling from staten island. What's up vito. hi guys. Hey haven't been this excited since. The judge drafted richard todd. And i'm i'm so hopeful stat. He's the real deal wilson. But i want to ask boomer what was going on between the rams and the detroit lions given away golf and all those future draft picks the lions did a favor for matthew stafford. Matthew stafford did not want to go through another coaching change. And i don't blame him for that The ramsbotham favor by giving all that stuff. The detroit detroit saw it as a way to start there rebuild even with a quarterback that went to a super bowl. I think sean mcvay fell Just basically wasn't crazy about jared goff in his personality and everybody thinks that this change is going to be the difference make make wear them and get them to at least an nfc championship game again. Yeah i mean people are looking at matthew stafford like he's a legitimate. Mvp candidate on a good team with coach. I'm going to go that far. But i got a great defense i know. And here's the other thing too. That coach is an offense of coach. That coaches got a system in place and that coach can call place and matthew stafford is not going to have to do what he didn't detroit. But i think you know it could really be like a new awakening from few stafford. Coach is going to keep the pedal to the metal on him. You know this is not going to be a. He's not gonna let off. He's not going to be pussyfooting around. He's not gonna be pussyfooting around. It's going to be getting up in what i love about the rams though they have become the lakers. The nfl like they're not afraid to make bold moves and they always end up with the guy that they want. Sure i mean. They made it to a super bowl loss. I mean the lakers had a lot more success. They've moved a lot of name guys around traded for guys broad guys. nba guy. They're not afraid not to make calculated aggressive bold decisions. Millions of americans are using good are to save on their prescriptions. Here's priscilla's story. I ended up losing my job because of my big stress. 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Imagine dragons will nasdaq's and so many more feel the same pressures we do they're joining our host carson daly for. I'm listening september. Twenty third starting at six pm right here. Carson cast of mental health experts athletes musicians other notables and you will share stories insights and help us all remember that we are not alone. Please join us because talking about our mental health has the power to save lives for more visit. I'm listening dot org the morning show with boomer esiason in gregg giannotti boomer geo bet q. L. as got giants plus three is one of their five star place. Five star play giants plus three. They actually have one two three four five star plays which is not something that is chargers. Common chargers plus one is a five star. Play cleveland nuts. It's bert pittsburgh is yes pittsburgh plus six and a half as a little. I bet you all behind my back there. No i think i'm just good at it. That's all this. How does this long time. And you've been doing longer than me. Yes i ha- steelers plus six and a half. Yes stall plays a five star player. You missing one of them. Is it a sunday game monday night. Game it is a sunday. Four twenty five game. It's one of those four twenty. Five games miami new england. Yeah miami's a five stall play our. Yes miami plus three is a five star play absolutely so those are five star plays on bet q. About that talent that about freaking napb raw. But i do like the the giants a lot. We'll see where i know. Al hates the giants. I know that you're sorta like inbetween. We'll wait a second. You gave like all zach gullible sorts of great stuff the other day. Yes on his show thought the giants. We're going to be good didn't you. Yeah i did. I said i here haven't all right so i will be. The giants are will be one of five new teams that make the playoffs this year. How is that at good. Is the first time i've heard. Have you heard that before. First time giants of the playoffs. You save all the good stuff for all. Todd sat geld shows hardcore sports. Talk all all in. let's go here. I'm dealing with all that. We are michigan with you. Guys is in this hard report shows. Not a hardcore was i i to hear about all the issues in your life and your traveling as you can't go here and your fortieth birthday al's talking about his al dukes model now for Roulette for length. I gotta listen to jerry know. I thought it was a hardcore sport. Show jerry just so mad at everybody all the time out and eddie's taking shots at me i. I don't know what this is. And you guys get mad at me when i go somewhere else and i give heartache. We gave the sports angle we gave you plenty of opportunities to say the giants will go to the playoffs. My super bowl teams are now. I think that's stupid. Okay why is why is that stupid when talk about the giants because it's a local thing giants radio station. The giants making the playoffs significant ause predictions. That's tough that's pie of minnesota making the playoffs. Yes you should be happy with that. There's no prediction. That's gonna make me happy chargers patriots giants minnesota try one other one other team out of fourteen teams. That will make the playoffs this year. I have five new teams. That didn't make it last year. Giants as a wildcard johnson the division winner minnesota giants minnesota forty niners so arches and patriots. Five teams that. I have done in the patriot that were not in the playoffs last year. Excuse me you glomming off my giants takes. But you did with the yankees. Take no. I think you are no. I'm not i. I've been talking giants to win an individual doing this for. I've been doing this. You know how many interviews. I've given in the last three weeks. To god's saying i understand i see all the time boomer says it has got going. Say these rumors take on. It never gets for some reason it. Never we get click bait for other reasons. Sure but i said the giants are gonna make the playoffs. I'm happy the minnesota. Vikings play be happy about that. No but here's the thing this is twice ness said to england's make my opinions are making the playoffs and they also said that the forty niners your glomming. No i'm not saying anything you said. The yankees wasn't there year. And now you've got the giants one of the division. I said the yankees. You're welcome these next thirteen games for the yankees are going to be really important. A break the scheduled down into thirteen game chunks. All of them are important. The big chunk right here. Yeah huge chunk is what it is. Well okay. so you're big on the giants. We've got a couple of us. That are big on the giants. We'd better be right. Well they better be right well. Yeah it's really. I honestly believe in a coach. Yeah i like the coach. I really liked the coach. I like i think the coaches the best coach in division. And i want to see. I think ron rivera terrific coach but i wanna see from the other stanford the jets here. Here's where we find out now. What we have is a coach. It's great to motivate men. It's great guys wanna play for you but now when the game starts and the decision making starts this is where you now come into. You're going to be the captain of this ship. You're going to be another one of these coaching dufuses. That were sitting here talking about the. I think he's been around the game long enough to know but he'll he'll i wonder like. Is he going to be thinking like from a defensive coaches standpoint like an offense coaches standpoint. And there's there. Are there something to be said about that. I owe exactly goes out there and throws the ball all over the place. Four hundred and thirty yards at four touchdowns. And everybody's going crazy member with broadway sam. Who were doing that for a while to get the sanchis to remember seeing everybody comes through dot com down. Stop giving dopey nicknames tool. that's what i want. I want desperately for him to show something sword of promising outlook he will. He will be fine. And the panthers era okay team right now all christian. Mccaffrey is backed jay. More robbie anderson you know they look big day. And here's the other thing too. And this this is all about the matt rule connection to the jets you know. I don't know if they ever offered him the job but if they did he was going to take unless he could bring us own staff with of course you gotta give them a lot of credit for either turning down the job and going back to baylor but you know now in carolina with him running the show and with sam darnold his quarterback now and joe brady their offense coordinator robbie anderson their wide receiver. I know one thing. Nfl football coaches have long term. Memories they hold grudges and adam cases of desperate. Take the job. He got greg williams force down his throat so i i would say that if our matt rule that guy's competitive that guy's gonna do everything you can to make sure that the the panthers get off to a great start that's why it's an interesting game just because it sam darnold and the jets. If sam darnold was not the quarterback teddy bridgewater would be an interesting game now. It's only interesting. Because it's matt role robbie anderson and sam darnold but even with that storyline. I'm not even thinking so much. About sam darnold. Oh i am. I mean i know you and you have been and would be interesting or whatever hot. Take on the this yelp show. Oh yeah yeah some other shows somewhere somewhere you doing all those weekly spots again. I'm thinking i'm going to start backing out of some of that stuff. You backing out of them. I think are backing out of boston. kind of teetering right now teetering. Yeah we'll teetering going. Oh wow they're nuts they don't pony up whatever you're asking for much just it's just it's more timing we just right. It's just the you filled with just stuff during the football season. Trying to pair it down. Yeah i'm sam. Darnold thing it's over. They needed to move on they did. They drafted zach wilson. Now i'm just trying to once. We see sam darnold this week one when i think about him again like whatever who cares unless he's in the playoffs he's lighting the world on fire which owned a total different story. I don't believe. But i do think the jets were in a no win situation where they had to select one of these quarter but they had to. Because if they didn't and one of these quarterbacks went on to have a great career. I think that it just would have been one of those old where the jets and this is what we do like. They had no choice. They had to take a quarterback. All right give me a super bowl or now you wanna know my super bowl. Yeah i guess it doesn't include the two teams that were in it last year. Okay so it's not chiefs. Not the box. That's right you're going to put the packers in their boom. That's one and you are going to put in the afc. The browns no the bills bills. Okay yeah right and the differences. Here's the thing everybody loves a bill. Here's the i think the three best teams in the afc or the chiefs the browns and the bills. Okay i think the bills have been ascending now for three straight years and they've kept their entire coaching staff and tack and they've they've the biggest problem is phil was saying yesterday from his perspective. And i kinda agree with as defensive line and whether or not they're going to get an pass rush but they were drafting defensive lineman trying to fix that problem also draft cup offense one. But here's the thing. I just think that the difference between the browns and the bills is at quarterback. It's a touchdown difference between josh allen and baker. mayfield josh's just apply make fu and he could just win game on his own. I don't necessarily know that baker can do that. And i think that that's who patrick mahomes is but i just don't think the defense for kansas city is as good as it has been another patrick mahomes season without a super bowl champion in the afc championship game. Though but losing to josh allen is thought yeah okay all right interesting. I'm not gonna make a super bowl pick. you know. Know what is going to happen. Something danger asked us to do these things you they ask you to do it. Of course and then if people are gonna go nuts and write about it hills in the super. There's some buffalo newspapers out. Boomer's got the bills in the super bowl expectations. Up there at the better watching two quarterbacks that i felt like we're going to be really good turn out to be really good and play against each other in the afc championship game like they did last year. And hopefully we'll see that again this year boomer and geo on the fan and cbs sports network. What what a time to ask for a new stadium in buffalo and of course perfect timing each the morning show with woomera site in gregg giannotti. Boomerang geo i won the picks again two years in a row a good by the just picked up a little niblett out there. Are you got a little nibbling. Yeah You boys sean. Marash works over there at cbs. Sports radio He was an offensive lineman at west babylon high school. Okay did he play in hit while he was like you know but his senior year they went undefeated did they. So i said we were going to have fumbled drill between you and him and since you're both right guards. This is perfect now. I think you should be wearing the helmets now. I put this helmet on. It fits my head. It's fits my head that fit your head okay. So let's put it on. It fits spike told meeting. Want us doing this. Digital just where radio station doesn't run digital. See that how it fits right. You gotta run on so we have this this columbia. They still playing football there. They start next week. I believe i. I think this is too small for fat head over there but showing mirage. Yup i'm sure for this. He'll try how about this one dak prescott one that we got nice eight. That'll work height. It's supposed to be tight fitting. Is that not the prettiest helmet ever lou. That i prefer the cowboy helmet. But that's pretty good. Data's good close second but turps come on all right around the block of or like. Do we do like lineman on linemen deal like i'd like to do that. Yeah ground anymore. It's gross wanna go. Get them if you can. He's doing his show. He doesn't care. You probably does on tv off the starship and it's the mothership mothership show some respect. I am at least. I knew it was a ship of some sort. It is it is a ship. It is a spaceship. It's the sports talk. Funke delic mothership is what he's got going on there and that's what he does callers get beamed up and the whole thing to show hi gorgeous. I don't know if d. as a weed guy you would think would someone is weird mother ship stuff you never know you never know is right. Look at him. He's a guy. Da not the. sean. Sean is okay brownie. We'd guy as he's yeah he's a b- year and cheese guy. That's what he is so busy right. He's doing a show but He will come over at the break in like six seven minutes all right but he's in right. I didn't tell them what i said. They wanted to talk to you. Okay i just. I like to say that all right. What do you want us to do again. And you want me to do on a friday. I thought i was hoping you forget about this. It's a football friday. Feel good football friday. Yeah there's a tinge of sadness in the air because of tomorrow. Yes so we have to. Somehow you know kinda get gets into the weekend. And i think you guys going after a ball in the floor. Fumbled role will be off. Did you guys here. how about if you like. Pretend you're standing in the pocket. And then sean and the helmets. One on one. I try to block them. He tries to get past me and we do that. I don't want to roll around the floor. All right frigging gross okay. you know. i'm the past the point where. I'm like the complete dummy that does the marash do you want me to have. Let's say al snapped me. The ball shotgun. Yeah and then like see omaha read fifty said like i'll either be the defensive guy offense guy whatever you want right and then well your guard and then that would mean he would have to be a defensive tackle okay and then we go head to head with that one on one. Yeah you get your head in the columbia helmet then you guys get double team actually. There's a buccaneers helmet back there. I go where we've been better. I want to get that scuffed up. They'll sell but if i'm only snapping the ball i'm good yeah all right. We'll do that. Yeah i i guess we do that all right and who who's going to be. Who am i gonna come after you or my mom blocking. I think you should protect me. You okay all right all right. I'll do that god. This is an injury waiting to happen. The enjoy your weekend. I know this is. There's no doubt about him getting hurt. We're not going to get hurt from the. I do nothing like you might be sore a little bit tomorrow morning. You're not gonna get hurt though i arrived. Don't believe that step back when you pass block and stuff lay. Dude got to step back. You got to kick and punch right exactly. You can see my achilles feel good urgent care. i'm not doing it. I'm not doing. I if i get hurt that no there has to be assurance policy here is if i get hurt. 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And then you got the moment of the day and all that good stuff powered by super book now opened with better odds and favourable prices and brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody can do something nice for one of the most loyal listeners. One hundred guy connor cook. Who did the shotgun the beer with. Yes yeah so. He and his fiancee. Caitlin are getting married this weekend. Congratulations nice married guy. Yes she does. Congratulations and good luck to them. So that having been said enjoy your weekend. Going to be gorgeous going be awesome Before we do the thursday night football. I just came across this or wanted to run this through cam. Newton did on his youtube channel sat down with his dad for like a show. Or i don't know what you would call him sitting on a he does it every friday. I didn't realize that so. He was talking about the whole being released by the patriots and he gave you gave us like a good little inside. Look as to how the whole thing went down. He talks about how the meeting what the feeling was when he walked into. The room just started talking and at that time. They told me that they were going to you. Know give the range cement. And i was like okay. Cool da da da da da. No meat it. I was like your. This is your releasing me. Yeah he was obviously taken that step. Obviously taken by surprise ask was just. I was confused. I mean we always saw no idea. And as he said in a statement. He says he'll be fine. Going forward fierce brow straight. i'm good. I'm i'm i'm flourishing. All but i will. I'll be i will be remiss if i didn't you know be be honest. Did it catch me by surprise released. Absolutely yeah so there you go. You'll be a free agent very soon. If he's not already obviously and mack jones starts this weekend as the patriots take on the dolphins week one of the nfl which began last night. With a thrilling finish. In tampa trainer will snap opinion. We'll hold it suck up from thirty six put down the grass white footed kick is up in its two seconds to go gooders of taken the lead kevin harlan on the fan. You know visit chinstrap up in your teeth. Basically announced to. Yeah well thirty one twenty nine coster phobe walls are on closing in on euboea right. Thirty one twenty nine. The final bucks beat the cowboys. Big night for tom. Brady bill shock. Four touchdown passes three hundred seventy nine yards passing. Here's brady so much better than last year's opening last year sucked after the first game on say that that was a long way from three hundred sixty five days ago. We'll remember you know we can always cut it off if need be. You're going to be fine. We know she can't get out of it. You're going to have to f this stuff. I'm not doing it yes you are. I can't do this by. Johnson was in there. I'll do it stra. Asthma to tighten it. I know but then it was like basically i felt like head was about the cave in Having flashbacks bellport football. Stick it up again. Put it back on later. Here was antonio brown. He had a nice forty seven yard. Touchdown reception is victory for sure. A great way to start off the ballot. Never should he have some versity And being able to rally bet to win yeah and he was certainly a big part of it. No doubt Chris godwin a big game to over one hundred yards receiving in a big game in the laws for dak prescott four hundred and three yards passing three touchdowns one interception you got the jets and carolina giants broncos on sunday as we know saquon barkley by all accounts certainly seems like he will play in that game Keep going are we waiting for marash to kind of keep going right so yankees last night blue jays and once again to ronald just own them this week on and enter the to write sodas high that is far does gone over the auxiliary scoreboard in right center. Another home run for gladdy The home run or guerrero now is forty second. So he hits a home run boba. Shed had homerun and the blue jays. Just out yankee the yankees all week right now. Yeah the yankees right now. Do they've lost six in a row while toronto has one eight straight this way. You can't get nuts. You say teams are out of it. The blue jays out of this a ago and they've turned things around there even in the loss column right now with the yankees and the red sox for the two wildcards spots. Sal romano the laws. He allowed to run over two thirds of an inning and andrew haning gave up two runs in the ninth not good Here was aaron boone. Does he feel like the playoff. Chances are slip sliding away. No no absolutely not. I mean we just had a horrible homestand. Yeah very can't win. It came no pitching. We are as as gig by division rival. Would you think of playoff chances of well. Why should they refined the mets this weekend last weekend in the to three here was aaron judge. He says he has stand up. Let me see that body. And he talked to the team subtle some after the game tonight. You know Basically what you guys here. We got eighteen games. You know tom the role we know we're capable of feel like they've been saying it's time to all week and enrolled. They've lost so we'll see if they can turn things around next thirteen games. I should i i understand. This is how if they go on. I can nine hundred thirteen streak. Now all of a sudden we'll be talking about okay now. They're ready to go. You're right you're absolutely. They might be and might be their year. No not god you know who series it was in miami jazz chisholm. Who beat the mets again last night. One oh jason. It's a high fly ball right field. It's deep and it is long gone into the second deck jazz chisholm. As given the marlins the lead. Yeah with a home run. The question is how far to travel four hundred two feet on that chas chisolm junior home run around his head down because otherwise you run through quick and it ends up being chaz gypsum. I mean that's the way it is. Yeah poor guy. Yeah louis ross. Why is your team terrible in one run games lately after being really good for much of the season just being a mix of things i think a little bit of a role. Yeah you think they don't hit and that's been part of the problem. Peter lonzo that leadoff triple they. Don't get him in. I think that was the seventh inning. And so the mets lose they fall under five hundred. Seventy and seventy one tonight. you've got jordan. Montgomery and tyler mcgill in the subway series opener. All the action here on the fan at six thirty. Bobby valentine with mussa maggie today coming up at twelve noon. So he'll throw out the first pitch with mike piazza. I think it's tomorrow saturday. So you've got that now. We've only moment of the day we're going to before we get to moment of the day so boomer would like. We've got sean. Is it more ash. That's the weird rash pronounce rash. Okay sean more rashes here. From the da. Show and sean. More ash is someone who also played offensive line at a high school in suffolk county. Long island like me are currently plays centre long flag football league. I told jeez playing flag football a center for a flag football team so so when boomer wants us to do something we have to do something so we are now me you an hour involved in this. Now come on in here. So i don't know if we're going to have enough space here and here we're going to have your ship. That helmet fits your head a doubt. It does look golfing archery football players in real full. You are all right. So this is what he would like. Protecting you rushing and al snapping him the ball. Now i don't think we can't do it in here. We're going to have to do it in a break. I told i'm just making sure housing heroes snapping the ball over and then saw playing the role of via vita sicily. Yes yeah how's is terrible so so you're getting paid you. Yeah that's what we're going to have to do in in the so the sack boomer if you can get past me if get past i mean. He's yours than mad paired. I'm getting past. I haven't done anything like this in a very long time. You're playing football at yes. I mean i wouldn't call it dominance barring all right very good all right so do this in the break. All right. but you're in helmet fits you and everything. Yeah i just got to spend the next even finishing my own show but yes okay all right all right very good heart gupta o. The software digits for digital. It's very keep the helmet on august. Let do moment of the day and then we can take a break again. I don't know however you wanna work this because we got picks and now we'll probably have to do it in a break all right. Go ahead moment. 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This is how we're going to do and timeout. All right so you wanna last and jerry. You bring up the point that i have to boomer has as your boomer and i've coming second all three years it's a make or break year for you. You think seven sucks you not a break year for me in the picks is a maker break okay. This is the way we're going to do it. We're going to pick the gentle giant game with the spread every single week. Then we're also going to pick three other games that we deem important or spreads that we like and this year because fan sports i got so many great wagers in profits or each picking one fraught bet that we liked. That will keep score of separately from the game. All right. So jerry recco. Where do we start five games here. We go three out of town. We start at orchard park buffalo. The site bills taking on the steelers buffalo minus six and a half. Becky loves the steelers. Plus the six and a half. But i really don't like this team. I was screaming about ben rothlisberger retiring. I know that they got the t. J. watt deal done. And that's going to have some at least good momentum for them but if the bills are going to the super bowl their winning this game by more than touchdown at home gimme the buffalo bills a minus six and a half against the steelers. I would take the steelers chair. I just don't know about their young offensive line for new offensive lineman on this team. And they're starting rookies. They got nauseous. Harrison's gonna be starting running back. Ben rothlisberger said at the other day. This is going to be a work in progress. I'm with you man. I'm taking the bills. And i see them when this game like you know. Twenty eight twenty twenty eight to seventeen something like that. So i'm gonna go with the bill. I like the steelers to keep it close. It'll be a game late. I've got pittsburgh plus the six and a half game number two. It is baker. mayfield. Patrick mahomes cleveland at kc. The chiefs given up five and a half. I know that people are looking at this chiefs roster saying some of the money that they gave out his catching up with them. They're not as balanced as they have been. And it's a hard thing to argue in the browns really. This would be sending a message if they won this game. I don't think they win the game. But i think they keep it within three or four. I liked the browns to cover this cleveland cleveland. To and the reason. I like cleveland is because much like dallas. They've been sitting there all off season once. These schedules came out knowing who they were playing and where they were playing now though. Dallas came out with the purpose last night in. Cleveland comes out with a purpose. I think the defensive player of the year is either gonna chase young or myles garrett and i take myles. Garrett has months year for the browns deep. I'm on an island here. I think patrick mahomes and the chiefs role. I'll take the chiefs minus five and a half game number three chargers in washington washington minus one. And a half. This washington defense is going to be one of the best football. There is no doubt about it this first game coming across the country. The whole thing shouldn't matter as much because it's not the middle of the season and boomer said you already know where you're going for months and months and months with the schedule release. I think that's an advantage for the chargers. I think a lot is going to be on justin. Herbert and what he can do in year. Two and i think ryan fitzpatrick with his up and down. Career is going to have a down year and it starts week. Gimme the chargers. In this one i like the la chargers. I do like the chargers. They're one of my teams to make it to the The the the playoffs this year. That didn't make it last year. I love their coach brandon. Staley one thing. I know about him. He's gonna to handle time management. You know he had the you get the best out of that rams defense last year And i think you'll do the for the charges tour filing help. They have a pass rush their own. Names joey bosa. Oh hell yeah. Pretty damn good so He'll be chasing after fits. I will take the chargers. I dislike washington very much know that. But i like ron rivera and i think this defense is real good. I'll take wash. Are you just going again. I'm not all right. I'm not at all take washing going to one. And a half in a big hole. Apparently man jets panthers carolina minus three and a half. I'd love to make a case for the jets in this game i would. And it's all about zack wilson. Even if they lose by double digits and he looks good and looks the part. That's going to be a win for them with this new regime. But his game means a hell of a lot more to sam. Darnold matt rule the panthers where they are in their franchise. I think that the panthers cover this one relatively easily the jets. You started mentioning names album. No one so you know the interesting thing is is that they got young linebackers and young quarterbacks and very little pass rush that means disaster in the nfl and that usually means the opposing team should be able to put up big numbers and in this case. This opposing team has a couple of floors with chips on their shoulders and coach probably wants to make a point that he has fixed Sam darnold. i'm going to go with panthers. Big ten point one. I'll take the panthers as well. It's part of my prophet coming up in a minute Also broncos giants metlife stadium the giants getting three points a home underdog could boomer and i agree on five straight games for the first time ever could be. I love the giants best better the week. Absolutely love the giants plus the three at home. We've talked about it all week long. I don't understand why the line is where it is. You could tell me all you want about the pass rush for the denver broncos. That's the only advantage. I see in this game. For the broncos. The rest lies with the giants. They were in every freaking game last year at simple one and they blew a couple of games get very easily won division. It starts this week. Giants enough. And joe judge i trust. I'm going with the giants man while lower three three. That's kind of boring. I'll take the giants well quite frankly. I can't come in here and listen offensive line calls serious which we might so there you go so we differ on three of them. Yeah and then to the same and you guys are in lockstep on all is deaf and we're going to be oh and five or five and you know that's gonna work Okay prop ben. Courtesy of fan dole's sportsbook fans sportsbook has all the best prop bets out there just log onto the app. I'm going to go to steelers bills. And i'm gonna go to ben roethlisberger and i'm going to say he will be under twenty four and a half completions ben rothlisberger under completions for the game. 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The Special Relationship with Matthew Barzun

The Red Box Politics Podcast

44:36 min | 5 months ago

The Special Relationship with Matthew Barzun

"At eighty p we understand the importance of building the right team and offer the data insights to help just as importantly our ai. Technology helps you pay. The team's accurately grow stronger with adp hr talent time and payroll. Oh this is the bought podcast. I'm matt surely hope you're well do get in touch if you're listening if you're listening a bold and you want to come on the radio and player actually popular quiz. Can you get to number ten matt. Charlie at tom dot ready to be if you just want to do. It's a general knowledge quiz loosely connected to ten cabinet jobs and you can come on. The radio said ma dot charlie at tom. That would lovely coming up. What does ambassador do all day. I speak to matthew on. Who was barack obama's. us ambassador. To britain he discusses the relationship leadership. I'm why a tennis match that. He organized may have led to brexit. Let david composed johnson use his tennis cool and we will know what happened to that. That's coming up in a moment but first our columnists panel no finkel which this week. I'm sorry to say david one of each danny finkelstein a quarantining of week during the nightclubs of portugal. So instead we kick up to date with tomic take from the atlantic andruzzi for new observer. At what malcolm. Let's start with your a credible a profile of both johnson which is in the latest edition of the atlantic magazine. You spent lot of time within. It's quite a lot in there to pick up one of the things. I wanted to focus on politics. We've got the interview with mathew barzal. Who's the who was Barack obama's ambassador the uk was the special relationship. Normally it's americans who are fed up with this thing but they feel they have to do it for needy brits but you'd find out that jones jones's no fan of it either. Yeah i was really struck by this it just it. Just cropped up in a conversation with With with one of his aides and just said the on this one of these calls with byd it biden. It obviously used this phrase pre presumably. He'd been told by as you must use this. Because the brits get very upset if you don't say it that we have this special relationship my boris just interjected and said he'd like it and i don't know whether we should stop using it. You just all you know. I don't like it he hates. He hates that phrase. It makes britain sound so needy and weak. I saw this. that's great. That's just a little insight into what these conversations what these coals must be like. We never hear it do we. We never we never know exactly. You know how they talk to each other. One of the constant theme of chats with with johnson's aides were that. He's he's just like he is With with us on tv just all the time so he. He uses humid try and crack through the formality of Of these coals with world leaders. I mean god knows how they take it but he he. He seems to crack jokes and and sort of surprise them. A andrew is it even. The brits now fed up with the idea of of of the special relationship. Well i think it's the phrase this i think artist johnson is right. I mean having reported from both sides of the atlantic. The girls my career you did tend to hear the phrase special relationship much more in london than in washington when you did here in washington other than informal occasions. Us president nice to the uk. It was often used frother. Ironically is cast the first a break to be worried that does make rather weedy and and a wednesday christopher maher was our man in washington our ambassador i would that he actually banned his staff at the embassy from using it because he was one of those who agreed with that. We remember. remember to resume. I'm to his promise and all that long ago remember how she looked in being desperate to get a visit at the white house and salted security on the promise of a really very early. Most people thought premature invited to donald trump to state is it in uk. Retiro rather rudely called time pimping out the queen. So i think it has been a difficulty. The big question though for post brexit britain is isn't gonna manage to combat some independent itself in the world will actually need special relationship even more. Because although i entirely made to celebrate median we of we do have very strong ties. Language is a lot of cooperation on the really hard security issues with america and in terms of our foreign policy. Actually if anything. We seem to be cleaning closer to the states at the moment because the question is outside the eu. Where else do we go. Do you agree with that tom. Yeah i think that's absolutely right. What's what's fascinating is that. Boris johnson has the reputation problem of being it in the us of being sort of just a a british version of trump and he You know he's concerned about this because it's a problem for him personally and he's got a kind of ego problem about it. He doesn't want to be seen as that. But also a political one in that you know he's having to deal with a democratic controlled congress on white house but if you look at the policies that we we are now almost completely aligned with the biden administration far more than any other country in europe on whether it's on climate change or iran or trying to turn the g. seven which is coming up this week into what they are calling a biden's calling an alliance if democracies i think we're calling it the ten or the d eleven. You sort of expanding it into into like-minded countries around the world. So if advised australia and south korea india now. The french and the germans are concerned about this. 'cause they you know they basically says or you're creating is a an english speaking club which is obviously better for britain and for for for the us but it's biden idea. He wants summit of democracies this year on xtra so it were were purposely sort of pushing ourselves into closer to the us. We drift away from europe. Another example of that math agreed earlier. That from tom is dispatching. One of our new aircraft carriers which by the way a required us fighters at the minute. Because we haven't gotten on the decks these across which one of the new aircraft carriers to the south china sea now. Is that really going to rattle a chinese one across carriers sending up in the neighborhood. Probably ought that's really designed much more than trying to make the chinese skills some whole strength of british naval back. It's surely more designed to impress the americans that we will do our be in the pacific neighborhood if gap i suppose. How big a test is this This week. Tom looking ahead to the g seven on friday friday saturday sunday. We'll be live in home on on the show on friday two but it's a little boys. Don't it's taken a while of because a covert it's sort of you know all of his diplomatic interaction so Zoom its first big test of putting britain on the world stage. Yeah i think it is important. I think this year is quite important for Johnson in that he has g here and he has the climate change summit up in glasgow. They're important both for the world looking at britain and britain's sense itself looking out into the world so you know we are trying to say to the world. Look i know we had this sort of crazy spell between two thousand sixteen and twenty nine hundred which is sort of arguing amongst ourselves and their stasis in crisis in paroling parliament and you know all of this and it just looked chaotic. So we have to say we're back with stable again. We're a place where you can come and invest and trust and you know we can. We can still do things. And komo's appropriate pretty good choice as well. You know. you'll have all these aerial shots of britain looking great. So i imagine there's a big part of that. It's it's this kind of perception. I remember thinking about this. There's this line in keeping up appearances. Hyacinths hyacinths having a richard For for not enjoying himself. He's cutting the grass and he says doubt. Enjoy just well. That's all the more reason to show people that you do. Enjoy it because you have to look like you could afford a gardener but you just choose not to. I feel that's britain afford the you know the the planes on the boat. We can't afford. Ah know we. We don't influence europe anymore. We were going show ourselves to be to that. We can act on the world. And i think for scotland and northern ireland new miles as well. He's he's also trying to say look. We still matter. You can still do stuff as britain that you can't do Aloneness scotland it quite important year. So i kind of i think maybe highest into his onto something. Tony blair is Is in the peace in your piece of the tony blair says telling everyone everything is fine is not the same as everything is fine. That's boys' tire. sort of. modus operandi is govind. Telling everyone is great and to some extent you know that works and people can affect consumer confidence in all outsource stuff one cloud hanging over the g seven this week though. The is the this row. Ov- the foreign aid cuts you about in the observer. The weekend and sort of the billion has an a bit of an abortive star yesterday. But there's this debate in the house of commons later on it it just is a reminder lobos johnson got that big eight hundred seat majority is not as safe as is it looks if you pick the subject matter and also i mean if we just saw combat to parliamentary conservative party at to start with i think this particular rebellion is five by several things. There's a group of conception. Mp's danzig michigan. Iran breaking election promises and this was a promise in the tory manifest. I like andrew. Hbo another's who can't declared that international-a combined with others who think i agree with them. Actually britain had developed from tiny blessed. Thomas on what through all brand through raise money through david cameron a reputation as a sort of super power of soft power in the realm of international. The weatherman and they're worried the vets being thrown away and then there was some names in the potential rebellion of yesterday. Likes edward lee now. Sadly is nobody's hand-wringing liberal softies records as sometimes calls himself. The last thatcherites commons. He's he's very dramatic. The right of the conservative party but also five by moral principles on this issue that you shouldn't be trying to balance britain's books on the back of the wells polo and i think it's also the fact that has simply being very county sticking to the un targets for the ag should spend some proportion of your national income is enshrined in law. And the gunman theory. It was gonna lose a never had the bravery to come and say we won't change the more they just swerving about. And this is why this tomato and rebel posse had to try and find a technical way ambushing. The gunman ultimately failed because the speaker ruled amendment was within the scope of the particular piece of legislation. They were hoping to amend but made it very rare is on their side in principle that the government should bring this is. You simply won't go away. I think said on say he china sweb. They'll be vote today now. That false the nature of the vote today can't force the government to change. Its mind but there will be out there. Opportunities the has laws may well have opportunities navegar the government and also because they are breaking a target is trained in law then may well be opportunities to take them to court and try and get very guns behaved awfully so certainly not going away and it certainly rather embarrassing for the government. This is all comes ahead in the same week we're hosting g. Seven and one final thing. I just wanted to touch on. Is this opinion. Poll out from a saas maury the evening. Standard report is on k. Stop his bad news. Kissed armies ratings of plunge the same low level is jeremy corbyn at the same stage of his leadership Manchester a andy burnham seen by the public and labour voters is a better potential for minister Big drops in the number of people who think that kissed as a capable leader down eighteen point since september. Twenty six percent Seventeen point four for having sound judgements. I'm being a good represented on the world stage down To twenty five percent to all this in the wake of his interview with piers. Morgan it was going to turn everything around town. Book the poor to even even welling up on the telly. Because you know. I am surprised about this. You know i. I was one of those e thought when he was elected that it was really quite important moment in british politics in that you had Took going back and thinking about you. Know the stability of britain in the eyes of the world. You suddenly went from having a situation where you know what was going to go on with whether we going to leave the eu of the single market nor to what was going to happen where we reverse it. But also you have this hanging threat. In the eyes of many of jeremy corbyn and ridi ridi quite radical kind of alternative and suddenly with stom- a with brexit sauteed To some extent you know you had assembled so stability. I thought it was. I thought you know him being a clearly competent man Sensible man who clearly could be prime minister he would do the job I i sort of thought that would change things more dramatically for labor than it has you know. I think it seems that he's trying to answer the wrong question. You know the the wrong question of that. The public have about him nobody. Nobody doubts it seems that labor. The nice guys who might cry about about things. They kind of. The problem lies elsewhere. Nobody thinks boris is a particularly nice man in that regard but they like him as they like him as a prime minister for other reasons so i wonder whether they need to start addressing more seriously. Those concerns you concerns about. You know whether he actually likes. People likes ordinary people Likes the country. that is Maybe it's maybe it's that i don't know but i but i. I am surprised about that. Because i think year is Is evidently evidently decent man. Who uncooperative that. Last point may is one of the things he specifically set out to address and then there's a reason and other members of the shadow cabinet appear in front of union and not. I mean that's trying to send a message to protest. Unlike the previous management of the labor party we actually do quite the country. We spy to govern. I'm in two minds about this on the one hand yet. This is not great for the labor party once offer. We won't be in a better position than those holes that you read are suggesting only on the how politics has become extraordinarily fickle in recent times. Just six months ago reminds you boris. It had such a an awesome. We had older fiasco about whether we've been have known as mus on all and you guys remember. It wasn't hard to find consecutive. Mp's last autumn. Saying bars will be out by christmas and his approval ratings plunged and kissed obama was often ed in polls for prime minister at-bats robust and it goes one of the reasons we can all agree on. This is the vaccination program. I mean every day. Three hundred thousand five hundred thousand people get a job in the arm uncommon to the vaccination center feeling much much better and optimistic. The world and fair your knots whether or not we government embarrassed particularly deserves the credit for that. The voters are likely to give them credit. So i think we would have to imagine bit further from this vaccination bands which is undoubtedly before we could come to a more balanced judgment as to where we are. Your point is right. I mean jonah relate party would be looking much back answer given your to your to your great books of seven of the people and then the at the end of the party on the rise and fall of new labour under tony blair. When you look at case. Dahmer does he strike you as a man who can repeat the trick that tony blair does he. Have you know we can talk about flags will. When's the time to come up with a policy ordeal but does it fill out. The guts of the man is someone who has got what it takes to take about two power. Well that's really good question because he concentrated in his early period in checking some boxes you know are not the other guy. Not jamie cureton. I'm serious i'm professional. I could lead a competent opposition and there was a general consensus that he done that but history suggests not just the way. Tony blair took labor back to power in nineteen ninety seven and with a landslide. But also when harold wilson won for labour in nineteen sixty four that you need more than that first of all everybody will say climate response to this point a long time ago you do need. I lead with charisma. Some ability to Create phrases that some of your ideas in sentences that can come fruit the electric. And i think back is standing. Challenge focused on. And i can't really think of zinger that he can't tell anybody had on the causes of now you can say. Well that's just the sandbags etcetera etcetera. But it was one of those phrases that encapsulated his attitudes and the attractive in a single sentence that cop fruit to the public. And the other thing you have to have to labour leader later had this in one thousand nine hundred eighty five one nine hundred sixty four nine thousand nine hundred and you have to have a sense of positive modernizing project for britain that is attractive to a sufficient number voters that you great election winning coalition. And that and this problem i think goes deeper the just the identity. The individual is leading. Auntie labor has not yet worked out a coherent vision of the future. Which paid would say that looks rather attractive and you know what i actually prefer it to the conservative philosophy of the feature taken andrew. Wadley that joining us on the podcast but coming up next it's might view with mathew barzal. Your listening to the red box podcast. Now than in december twenty thirteen mathew barzal took up one of the most important positions in us diplomacy washington's ambassador to the uk was barack obama's man in london. Join his time here he would end up witnessing so the most turbulent pairs of history as a country went through i the scottish independence referendum in twenty fourteen then the general election in two thousand and fifty the e u referendum in two thousand sixteen another general election in twenty seventeen. I'm one highly memorable. Us presidential contest. When i caught up with matthew boston to reflect on what he learned about the power dynamics of the special relationship his theory about what leadership really means and his new book the power of giving away power. let's started by us asking matthew bosnian. What ambassador does all day you know. It's funny i Before i took the job in When i first served in sweden i had no idea And the perception. I think if you watch movies and stuff is that it's just one big cocktail party or something like that. And i must admit that was a little bit my misconception but the the great republican front of mine who served as assistant secretary of state under colin powell. He's sort of took me aside and took me under his wing and explained how it all work. Great gardening walter canton anyway The way i would sum it up is state department. They have this wonderful tradition Of printing out your daily schedule on a little. Oh i forget the whole a four eight three british system. We would say a three by five Small car yeah. Thank you eight five eight five your day a begins at the top. It sort of looks like an a page for your day and i would Color code the various meetings and it was green for promoting trade and it was blue for of government to government foreign office sort of work and it was purple for cultural diplomacy Yellow for Engaging with the press and then gray for internal meetings and That was kind of an arbitrary color scale that that i picked Anyway and you look at the day and the day would just be a rainbow of those things. I just mentioned and it was kind of great. So you shifted gears a lot between those but but that was it in a nutshell and so it wasn't all cocktail parties but there's probably there's probably a bit of that and what. What about your uber. I'm busta in the cage. Or turbulent type british politics Yeah it has to be said's as what what sorts of day to day interaction with the uk government's downing street's that sort of thing you the sort of point man between london washington. How how does that relationship work. Well interesting. I mean i What my predecessor joked with me. As i arrived to london late summer twenty thirteen he said matthew just think i reflect back over his four years. He said we had the london olympics. So royal wedding and the diamond jubilee. And you're gonna have scottish referendum the what became known as the brexit referendum And then what is sure to be contentious. Twenty sixteen presidential race back home. Good luck. But i looked at the and that he was right in the sense that most of my three and a half years was banned. Not so much. You know does official washington. Let's say the white house and the state department get along with official united kingdom like of course and there are disagreements. Get to that later. But that stuff's largely Not a lot of drama there The big issues of my time were people talking at each other past each other. Basically division within the united kingdom and division within the united states. And what these two are. Christie's are trying to wrestle with with that what you mean when people people within the united kingdom talking passage. Let's pose if your job is to sort of sum up the mood An position in the uk and feed that back to washington. What you what you mean about people's talking past each other. Well i mean if you look at the should. Uk belong in the eu just happened. We talked about cocktail parties earlier. I mean no quicker way to end a cocktail party or a party to bring up that and then we'd see colleagues friends family just split on these fault lines that when i headed didn't twenty thirteen either. They weren't there hidden but boy did that. Debate bring them out and we had different issues back home in the states. But you would. You would see that same. Divide and so. That's what really dominated my time. And one of the dangers. Of if you limit your perspective to just the fisher government relationship you'll miss a lot. For instance the pew the wonderful pew research people put out a A survey of basically. What do young people think about the united states And that report came out. As i arrived in in london and i think thirty nine countries out of forty young people during the obama time which is kind of unsurprising had a more favorable and positive view of the united states. And what it's up to in the world then their parents or grandparents generation and the one country that didn't fit that model was the united kingdom. Now the good news was that the sort of grandparents and parents generation had a highly favourable view of the united states but young people not so much and so i went to two hundred over my time. Two hundred different basic mostly. Sixth form colleges to do these workshops with one hundred students at a time and ask them what is your number one frustration or confusion about the united states. And what we're up to. And i learned a lot from that and you'll book which will come to you talk about. You know you get down on a piece of paper. What was something so positive feelings towards america in a negative and what what. What was the overwhelming sort of message that you got. Well i have. I have i have them here with me. And my off at twenty thousand eight five cards with either doodles or words on them and half of them. So ten thousand half of the young women and men wrote down or drew a picture of the word gun. Wow so that was number one. Wow number two. So that was half and then number. Two and three were tied. Basically for police. Brutality and racism. This is two thousand. Thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen And what i would show my my fellow older people in diplomacy. I noticed that none of the big words none of the top five or what we would consider foreign policy and they did care about things like surveillance and privacy and our support of israel and drones and all those sorts of things that we talked about as diplomats. But my big aha was domestic policy as we would say back home is foreign policy is reading yet the domestic affairs but in other countries will get so much cut through and what about what were they. More positive about the flip side of the cars the flip side was found. We spent about fifty five minutes on the negative not not to be negative but i just think more energy lives in different than it does in similarity and the happy bit as we put it less traumatic there wasn't one big thing but food diversity opportunity with the big three. What would you did you do the yourself. What would you have put on the two sides. The crowd well. I did so these young british people would would always ask me at the end of the session. Hey what what do What do american teenagers thank. And i'd say well. I had three teenagers my children in the house but other than that. I didn't see many american teenagers during my time in london. But i was. I wanted to kind of answer that question. So i when i came back to louisville kentucky which is home. I had no title or reason to go do this but The schools were nice. And i didn't wanna stop because listening to and learning from young. People is really energizing. And so i started doing it Here and across the river in indiana and asking american students same format very different answers. And i didn't ask them about the uk. I ask them about their own country. Number one. fear and frustration was division Economic racial and political so number one fear division number one followed closely by loneliness. Then yeah and then the number one positive or hope or thing that inspires you about your own country to americans was Diversity followed closely by freedom. And if you think about the two top spots diversity in division. They share the same root right. Dave so what they love. Most and fear most has something to do with separateness. And that's what i've been the good parts of separatist being distinct being your own person But then the downside of separateness feeling cut off from others. And that's really. What made me write the book. And what it's trying to reconcile and resolve spending. That's a big part of the job of being a diplomat is sort of bringing together. The two countries involves acknowledging that you don't always agree on everything but trying to build that that that komen grant i mean obviously can't legally i'm not allowed to speak to a former The uk without using the special relationship. Oh thank that's that's that's ticked off now but where where were the utah briefly before but what. What were the tensions for you that you had to deal with them. And clearly cle-. Brexit was a big part of that inviting the center of that brexit campaign. Was that moment when President obama came to the u. k. Use that phrase. That britain would be at the back of the queue In the event. Deal for charles with the us and then post. Johnston calls now on prime minister writing a piece in a newspaper. Referring to president obama's park kenyan heritage. The you know the so much caught up in all of that. Is that this the toughest for you in year. Matt you're bringing it all back on the in a in a. Yeah i mean you hit on some big ones but you know you started off by saying it's appropriately to poking fun. I think at that term special relationship and you are right in the sense that and i actually love it and i'll explain why But when i when. I just came over to the uk A british friend Bridge acquaintance living in new york who emailed me and he said hey. Some free advice Don't trust the british press. They will build you up and tear you down. That was number one and number. two was Please don't be one of those people who bangs on about the special relationship it has hackneyed it is a cliche It's not true anymore. So okay and i ignored ignored both of his bits of advice and especially as it relates especially to was right in the sense. That if you say that word which i did a lot to a crowd of. Let's say one hundred people you know half the group Nods their head without even thinking and after group roles there is right but in both cases. No one's doing a lot of thinking. Into what i tried to do. This is hard for radio listeners. Because it's sort of a visual but if you picture matt one of those two by two quadrant things you have like a north south east west access so if you picture like the word special on the east like what is the opposite of the word special on the west in our diagram and let's just use the word routine you know and then what is the opposite. Let's put special on the east. Let's put relationship up in the north. What is the opposite of a relationship down south. I would say transaction upper right hand quadrant which is usually a good answer. These kinds of diagrams is special relationship. The exact opposite of that is routine transaction. And i actually think that unlocks some interesting things about the phrase because so much of our lives Enabled by technology. That's been wonderful. Is we just impersonal. And in work we try to make so much of our life. We by avoiding friction. We're just like let's turn everything into a routine transaction trivial example being like facebook in those other services will let you say happy birthday to anyone you've ever met without having to really try break. It's easy but but no there's a cost to that. I think because there's no energy lives there and so if you take churchill's phrase which he meant in pretty intense time you know he said when you're up against dollar and the iron curtain it was in that speech where he's like. How are we in the west as we called it. Then go stand up to this consolidated menacing pat our and he didn't say let's consolidate our own menacing power on our side said no. Let's form millions of special relationships. Oh it's been. It's been a bit bumpy over the last few years but with brexit and that other guy who Who replaced per barack obama in in the white house. What state you think the special relationship is invite now a time when you know the whole world sort of crying out for leadership. What volcan britain voice johnson. In america under joe biden. Play in that. yeah. I think it's i think that the the real energy of the special relationship does not lie in agreement right in the front page of the sun. It's framed and sitting here in my office Six days after i arrive there was the vote on use of force in syria member and cameron recalls parliament. Early to take a vote on it. We're having a similar debate back home in washington and It doesn't pass right and so the front page of the sun has a death notice for the special relationship beloved offspring fdr and churchill. You know thatcher and reagan blah funeral to be held at the french embassy and it was Funny i think not true. But i think it plays into this idea that if we're not always agreeing that's a problem and if you think about a marriage or a friendship you deal with disagreement all the time and that's really positive and a source of energy. I the phrase. I must have set a thousand times and diplomats sort of trained to say if you listen to people older than you they all say it It's always said with this terrible tone of voice which is the sort of often wrong. Never in doubt tone of voice. The diplomats can take and the phrase is usually followed or preceded by throat clearing. There is no daylight between the united states and the united kingdom as it relates to fill in the blank right. And you think about that. It's like what a ludicrous for ludicrous. And of course there's daylight and if there weren't daylight picture to soldiers shoulder to shoulder picture people dancing. You know any image of partnership and connection in all of those nobody in all of those there is daylight between the people and if there weren't it wouldn't be all that interesting. It'd be slightly creepy. So i i think that how you look at things right. I think in. And i tried to get to this. How we visualize ourselves and those around us is hugely important and so if you think daylight is a scary thing and the gaps in agreement ought to be you know if you've ever made clay when you're little like every little air bubble out of your little clay pot so it doesn't blow up in the coun- like that is a world view that leads to a certain way of thinking feeling and behaving that. I think is very destructive but there are other ways of looking at the world. Where daylight isn't so scary. So as you've mentioned a book mathew barzal let's take a look at the power of giving away power. How the best leaders learn to let go and join your experience as a as a diplomat and then before that i mean in fact especially so When you were a fundraiser for barack obama and the idea actually the sort of command and control Pyramids that will probably quite used to particularly in politics but also in business of you know the guy that's of the woman of the top controls everything and what you discovered meet to know baby. I felt reading. Almost by accident was the actually. If you see some of that control you get buy in from people. You know whether that's donations or decision making all profitiblity or or whatever it might be in the situation but you think really struck me. I can this. It can see how this idea can work in business in that The idea of collaboration and letting individuals who know what they're doing. What the but in politics. Maybe it's just because we need to change the way we think about politics but ultimately you know if something goes well or badly in the uk we looked always johnson The prime minister You know if something goes long he's going answer for. He's the one who pays at the press conference all the or in the house of commons and the same is true of joe biden in the white house. You know if if something goes wrong on his watch. It's him who so you can't say well. I let the constellation bloom and sometimes that doesn't work you know we. We looked to the person of the top sediba think this can be applied to to politics. I definitely do. And and i agree it is. It is hard on both sides. You deal right now with our national politics. Blue versus read on both sides. Not exactly a practice. Some british understatement not Not overly cooperative. But let's just take it one. Step that let's just take it within the democratic party within the republican party or within labor or within the tories How what what does a meeting look like the skit really practical tactical you're meeting look like sitting around those various tables and we can start to practice these habits. These constellation habits of how you think of yourself as a star and other people as the star Just within our own parties and start to redevelop these habits of interdependence which is really what the book is about and there's this amazing woman sort of lost a history Who is sort of the matron. Saint of this mindset. Mary parker follett. And i won't go too deep into it but she's writing one hundred years ago right after america. She spent a lot of time in london at the one that school of economic trying to figure out how america or how the uk coming out of a pandemic with economic and political and social division and uncertainty. And what she said one hundred years ago. It's hugely helpful to us today. Here's what you said it can begin at your next meeting. You know virtual or real meeting. She said there's four possible outcomes of a meeting and only one of them is worthwhile and think about this matt in the context of politicians. You know sitting around with their own teams. Forget the other side for a moment number one. You come into that meeting and you wanna win well. That's no good. She says because someone else is gonna lose. Why are they even at the meeting. Number two the flip of that you acquiesce. oh jila. John seems so fired up. I'll just let her or him carry the day. That's no good. Why did you even show up to the leading number three tempting compromise and she says no. That's no good either. Because compromise is basically small acquiescence from everybody partial victory partial acquiescence. She insists that the only meaningful outcome of a meeting is co creation. Where you make something together as a group and we all know that feeling. It is magic when it happens and the funny and strange and true thing about making something with a group of people is that you are in it right in that idea. You made it is in you but you are in no way diminished by it. You haven't sort of lost a part of yourself in it. And i think that kind of making policy on the government side if we behave. Some of the worst fights in our political systems happened within the party. You can't just blame the other side. It's like no we do this to ourselves. And i'll give you an example real life story if if we bring this pyramid mindset this up down in out mindset to everything if you ask ten people what the opposite of winning. Everyone says losing you say. Okay what's the opposite of winning and losing nine out of ten of us say not playing sitting it out right. One in canada says and these are the constellation thinkers natively. They say playing laughing learning loving being the verbs we actually value in our lives right. i mean you can win a marriage. You can't win a career. You can't win parenting and you know i saw this in my time. I haven't said this before. But this is real practical results if we think that winning and losing that if you're not winning and losing that you're doing nothing that has real world impact. i mean. We had david cameron asked if he could use our tennis court. Winfield house which is a lovely tennis court and Highly secure as imagine. We build houses the us ambassador of residents are very presumptuous. Central london lovely place and so from time to time. I would let him come and do that. And this particular time he wanted. Boris johnson to come. And and i'm not revealing anything here in the paper. I would say that he's trying to convince at this time Boris johnson to not take the side of the brexit tears and advocate for brexit and he was publicly on the fence about which way he might go. And so i said please come over and And they did and they play tennis. And then i caught up with them both separately afterwards and i remember baras. Sankt me after david had left and i said how did it go. And you know. I wasn't trying to button. It was a private conversation and And he said god. It's unbelievable he he. He couldn't not win. He had to beaten and he beat me badly in tennis. And we all do this and it just struck me as like. Oh just that really matter. I don't know Historical forces at play. But the idea of like we can't let go of winning and we all do this in not always on the tennis court not always with big national things at stake but it is. There is an alternate way of looking at the world as we've got time for on this episode of the red box. Podcast forget you can listen. 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Mark Bell on Fitness in Fifteen Clubhouse

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Mark Bell on Fitness in Fifteen Clubhouse

"What's up everybody. Welcome to mark bells power project podcast hosted by mark bell co-hosted by seeing and myself andrews. Air goes it's been hot made since we've done something like this In the past we've we've published marks appearances on other people's platforms on our items feed. Our podcast feed. I should say win away from it and we're coming back to today. Mark is on the fitness and fifteen clubhouse club. A club where they have over two thousand members bringing live fifteen minute workouts to clubhouse every single day it's awesome they're uk base so. We're going to hear a lot of really amazing Accents that americans just happen to love for some weird reason but anyway they they cover workouts from hit Zoo yoga body weight and so much more. Their mission is to encourage better health fitness being and mindset to anyone and everyone and it was really cool. Because there's open platform on clubhouse where you know people that were visiting. The club could stand up and ask more questions and the some really interesting questions and really mark just had a blast and we got his final thoughts at the very end. Once we got off air so make sure as a stick around for that. And that's it for me. Hope you guys enjoy this. Clubhouse interview will say with Mark bell and fitness and fifteen. Catch you guys later nick. How we doing. I'm just going to bring you up to this a speaker. No mark no way way. I'm in mark how you doing. I'm doing fantastic. How are you really woman. I'm just gonna give you the the green bean whereas andruzzi coming right there here. We're just using mark's account for everything others to of your fantastic brilliant. I go is one second. Just gonna make the moderate so just what a welcome lindsay is guys say. Lindsay is the only fifty fitness in fifteen and hosted this clubs so just wanted to say just welcome lindsay. This is mark. Martin andrew a token on the mark profile. So if you can hear two voices to become one. I love it. I absolutely love it. Thank you for taking. The reins is just wrapping up on our other brief. Just inviting some people on stage. But i'm gonna let ben very much take the reins on this as i have. Just come from an hour and a half. qna sleek ream. And i could do the little bit of rest on on on going to leave in your capable hands not be doing some of the pain show if you agree that i'm looking forward to this one guy even absolutely now just want a big thank you to market and you're too. I'm a little bit starstruck at the moment. I'm going to sell footage you for so many years. You've been here of mine for so many years. And it's a real one to have you on so we want to make this interactive as possible as say you guys very conic gives forty five minutes of your time so we just want to try and get as many questions as we can. Great to star mark those. That may not know you. Those you the in the audience would love to hear about you your story and how you got to become slingshot the power project to where you are now as a sound. Know that you've been a professional wrestler palace. The now you doing great things in business and inspiring many many people again. I'll let you take the reins man. We'll see if we can get some questions guy all right here we go so yeah all started when some asshole kicked my new york jets football into the woods and you can kind of cut to a rocky. Montage of meat training started lifting. When i was about twelve had two older brothers that were into lifting. My oldest brother was my childhood hero and He was big into football and big and lifting weights and so i followed in his footsteps and so did my brother chris. We've been a family that was Way into lifting weights way back before it was cool and not only were re into lifting weights. But we're also into powerlifting gym. That i kind of grew up in was a powerlifting type of facility although people didn't even call it powerlifting back then people were just into being big and strong and there was none of this No cardio equipment and things like that. People weren't talking about get skinny. People weren't talking about getting ripped they really just care about your performance and he cared about lifting heavy ask stuff. I started Lifting in a very young age and was immediately a little bit better than some of my friends. And i kinda recognized. Hey this is probably something that you should pursue. And so by the time i was about fourteen or so. I started compete. I broke some state. Records broke some national records and Just made me feel good about myself. And i wasn't The best in the classroom and so I had something kind of lean on or something to fall back on. That made me feel great about myself. i played a lot of Football i did track. I did boxing. I tried to do everything. I could to avoid powerlifting but it was always there. It's the girlfriend that i never wanted. That just kept coming back trying to annoy me And eventually i just gave up to it and surrendered to it and became powerlifter and eventually squad. Thousand eighty benched eight hundred fifty four pounds and dead. Lifted seven sixty six. Those are all equipped numbers. Where i wore bencher squat suit and things like that too. So people get a grasp of the type of lifting. I was doing because they might think man. Those numbers are absolutely insane. There are still heavy. No matter how you slice it but It was equipped powerlifting. At the time there was no raw power thing When i was coming through the ranks was just lifted and didn't really care what someone else War Gathered some professional wrestling for a while. And that's where i met people like john cena. The rock got to rub elbows with a lot of great individuals. And that kind of stuff. Help me recognize that. There's many different levels of success and there's many different levels of Genetics and all those kinds of things and it's been helpful for me to have that past Moving into the things that i do now and then also with professional wrestling. You have to have the gift of gab and be able to talk in front of people and That was tremendous in my development of being able to speak and once i got into powerlifting more as an adult i was like you know. I need to film this stuff. I need to share this with people. People are gonna think this dope. And so i started a youtube channel in two thousand seven. Probably about a year after youtube even started and Ben on social media from the jump and that is something that helped me to be known and then also something that helped me to be known as the film bigger stronger faster than my brother. Chris bell directed and People may know me from that or they may know me for my invention which is the slingshot a Support upper by device for bench. Press push ups and dips. And now i have a complete line of stuff that behind that elbow sleeves niece sleeves hip circles and so forth. And i guess kinda the rest is history from there so some people know me as a creator of some products some know me as a powerlifter and some people now me from the film bigger stronger faster about whatever i mean. I've i've i've folded for quite a few years and obviously now the success of sling. Charming up on your products as well and you know it's massive around the world but would you think was to become so successful from just be arrest. The powerlift What what if it was k to get into where you all now in on all aspects of life as well not just business i think a big key for just about anybody is confidence and consistency. A when i was I think i have confidence from a having. Great parents and be Being physically capable of doing quite a bit. I was fairly athletic and able to mimic stuff. That coaches would teach and things like that so that gave me a lot of confidence. It made me feel good I think people need to find stuff that makes them feel really good. I know like the the school the classroom didn't make me feel very good at You it was put into special classes. And i just kind of learned in pick things up a lot slower. I don't know if i had like attention deficit disorder. I don't know if that was invented at that time. I don't know if that was around at that. Time and Forever reason that was very difficult for me but You know that actually ended up being a huge attribute of mine which i can now look back on and say oh my god. This has been a blessing of mind the entire time. Because i don't mind for things to take a long time because i kinda learn slowly anyway and so Even from some of the lifts and stuff people have seen me do they might not how slow and how cautious i am with a lot of the moves that i make There there's not always a lot of thought to my move but there's a is definitely i definitely like to take them Just like you take steps in the gym incremental progress over really really long period of time so confidence and consistency have been the biggest factors. I think just. I think anyone That you look at that. Successful would have that in their recipe. being confident and And being consistent the consistency will help with confidence. Actually because you'll actually be better. You know having a skillset is is really important so anyone. That's looking to make money anyone. That's looking to be successful in any category. If you wanna go as vertical as you possibly can in that category then you must become a material expert. You must learn a lot. You must absorb a lot and in my opinion. The only way that i could figure out how to do that is to be consistent. You could read books you could go to college. You could go to further schooling. You could go to technical school. you could You could just get around. People that are that are good in that particular thing like jitsu you can get around and you jitsu people. You wanna bodybuilding get around bodybuilders. You wanna powerlifting and get around powerlifters you could also go a different route and you could become strength coach and you can learn a lot about the sport that you're in or you can learn a lot about policy but whatever the case is you're gonna have to be immaterial expert in some way In order for you to be Really much of anything In that particular field or thing that you're trying to do the only way to get there is through consistency. Tim feroce step by step ferociously. That's right post the bet. Yeah absolutely yeah usa mark so just going to a quick room reset. i'm just mindful. we've got you for forty five minutes. We seem few people in the room. Some people up on stage which is excellent so this is fitness in fifteen club. The club at brings daily work has the clubhouse coverage in good health fitness a mindset to everybody very very clearly honored to have mark bell andrews zaragosa rei k. The power project on stage so mark's going to take some questions guys in the audience. If you want to ask a question please. Fleshy mark anybody. That's in the audience. Please raise your hand. Just make sure that you've got a bio guys just so we can see who you are and we're happy to bring you up so guys at anybody got a question for mark on stage anyone a new year's place flash mike. Anyone got any questions. This how you doing guys and i'm a weightlifter outperform on the platform and i guess number of people didn't hit the do seminar. What's your most memorable moment intimate big. And how did you have company. My most memorable moment in a contest is bench pressing seven. Oh five It's in the film bigger stronger faster. There was a lot on the line. You know my brother's filming a documentary that Ended up landing in a movie theaters around around the country and there hasn't been a movie similar or sense that time That has had quite the impact that bigger stronger. Faster has had On the fitness community and on performance enhancing drugs in general and so It was a huge honor to be part of that. And to be going for this bench press Inequality test and be able to hit that bench press In that meat. And that's the way the movie ends. The movie ends with with me. Bench and seven. Oh five which is another honor. I mean is this really really cool. But like news thing about the circumstances leading up to all that and kind of the pressure that was at aps senior nationals. Which is one of the biggest competitions in the in the world at the time and it just felt amazing. Come through on that particular day. What people might not know about that days. I went nine for nine that day. I made all my squats. I made all my benches and made all my dead lifts That has never happened in the history of mark bell competing on the platform With me having a career in powerlifting that spend over the course of like thirty years nearly so There was just like some magic in the room on that particular day and that was an amazing moment. The other reason why that was important to me as i saw tedd are cd. Bench press seven. Oh five On a wwf. airing Of this strength Feat that ted are. Cd did in benching. 705 and ted are. Cd was a wrestler and he was super jack. And when i saw him do that i was like i want to say. I don't know what that is. Because i was a young kid. I'm like i don't know what that is. But i wanna do that like wherever that guy just did and how. This guy looks like a superhero. Want to figure that out. I want to be jacked like that. Dude and i want to go to lift weights like that so it was a huge moment for me and the second part of the question. I don't think i really heard was able to hear exactly what she said. Yeah whatever the monument was. Do you think the added pressure from the movie. That was pitchy foods that he failed the pressure before men go nine for non. Did you leave feeling that. Maybe there was some more in the tank. Then what was the inevitable. Talk after the event. I mean back down from it Yeah you know. I think you know. Fortunately for me Hud especially at that age. I just i wasn't. I wasn't anxious. I didn't have anxiety. There was some pressure to kind of. Like you know. Be able to do that stuff. But i think the pressure was probably really helpful. You know. I think it actually really helped me a lot because again i talk about this quite often but being prepared for stuff you know makes you less anxious. It's like why. Why do we have anxiety. I think we have anxiety. Because we're not fulfilling the things that we're supposed to do each and every day we keep pushing them off and then those things are still still staring us in the face every day. These things that we've swept under the rug where little fatter than we wanna be. We're a little weaker than we wanna be. And we're not really addressing these things and when you address them you take them head on you start to learn more and you start to learn more you start to be more prepared so i felt extremely prepared for that competition. The training that went into that was all dialed in the numbers that i selected on the platform that day They just all added up and they all ended up. You know working out there all things that i was definitely Capable of but now. I don't think i left anything on the platform because my last squad. I nearly died my seven. Oh five bench. Took me like thirty minutes. It seemed like it took. It took a long time to make that lift in my My deadline for the day like my last dead lift. I barely locked it out. And when i did lock it out my grip was starting to go but i just got the down signal at the perfect time and so everything kinda worked out. Everything worked out great. I think the The head ref maybe gave me a little bit almost like an early signal down. I don't think he made me like hold. It and so i got fortunate with with that and i just think it was A magical day. I i would. Kind of consider myself a a gamer in some ways like when it was on the line i always did really well and when it came the training i trained. I trained hard. But i also oftentimes Used the weights. That would be way way lighter than a lot of my competition and way lighter than than most of my friends in the gym even and people would kind of talk trash and they would beat me in the gym and i'd smoke on the platform so i always really loved getting in competition and got me really excited osama thanks that i'm just a quick got a question. Mark catch li. I want to ask you about your buck. Your elbow video. This is quite famous on your content. And the reason. Why i'm asking. That actually is the i believe. Especially in social media is a lot of information overload. People talk about science this. And this. And i think he gets in the way of people actually just one to learn basic stuff and i think it can confuse people and i think sometimes it can give people anxiety though. I liked your message. We've that fuck you roll bowen. To wouldn't you to explain that anyone be able to reference has world so yeah which would you explain that for us. Absolutely you know to youtube video. It was a response to somebody. That was saying that i'm irresponsible. Because i mentioned in a video that people are utilizing their knowledge as an excuse sometimes science. Can you end up with analysis paralysis. Sometimes when you know allot you're like okay. I'm going to go into gm. And i'm gonna do some leg presses but then you're like i know i did legs like two days ago and maybe i shouldn't even try and he started talking yourself out of all this stuff and you're like oh well you actually gain more size resting than you do actually training and you just kind of get in your head about all this stuff and you're like well leg presses aren't maybe quite as valuable as doing something. Like a hack squat because you can recruit a higher percentage of muscle fibers in the quads. I it just gets to be like holy smokes man like would you just please get to training. You know and. I don't think there's anything wrong with with having some stuff and having some science in there but i think people conflate the two things like we can get a lot of great information from the science but then a lot of times people will say. I only do evidence-based nutrition. Or i only evidence based training. Well to me evidence based stuff would would include bro science. It would include the stuff. That michael hearn shares would include The stuff that Phil heath might share. Include things from people. That aren't just material experts on hypertrophy. I think we make mistakes when we look at these doctors. And we're like that guy ain't shit. Why the hell whatever listen to him. I think that's a mistake but then also thinking that the guy that's super jacked is the material expert is probably mistake. Thinking the guy that's super. Jack is an idiot and that he's dumb is a big mistake. So why not kinda. Take the information from everywhere and utilize it and in regards to the Infamous fuck your elbow video. That was more. just somebody coming at me saying hey. I think you're irresponsible. Because you do have to think about your central nervous system when you're training and i took exception to that because i'm like dude i've been training for you. Don't think i know about the central nervous system. You don't think. I understand the value of not overtraining. All the time like of course. Of course i do but at the same time. If you're going to be great at anything there's gotta be a roll the dice here somewhere you cannot. You can't get away You can't get away unscathed like there's gonna be some scars. You're going to mess up. You're going to fail like failure is part of it. You're going to maybe potentially tear something you're gonna maybe potentially tweak something but you're not gonna be able to lift a hundred and thirty five pounds every single time you go to the gym and think that's going to start to result in some different response in your muscles. Your muscles get used to it too quickly and over time you'll have to train some. You have to change some sort of stimulus and when that when that particular response was given to me when someone was like. I can't believe you say fuck your elbow. My response was that we all regardless of what you do in this world regardless of what you do in life you're going to end up in pain you're going to end up with suffering you are going to end up Maybe in a wheelchair or maybe in a hospital bed if we're our best our best scenario is just a die in our sleep right. That's that's like the only thing that you can think of. It's like the most peaceful way so you just go to sleep one night and he just don't wake up Other than that you're gonna die some horrific death. You're going to drive your car off a cliff you're going to. You're going to get some crazy accident. You're going to have cancer. You're going to have a heart attack. You're going to fall and break a bone and then you're in the hospital then you get an infection and then you die. It doesn't matter if you're a good person or bad person. My whole point was look dude. We can sit here and fight about the science of shit and we can talk about the central nervous system and all these different things. But while you're on this earth you might as well be a bad motherfucker you might as well put your best foot forward and do anything and everything you possibly can to ensure that you're going to be the best and with that. Include you sitting there going through this rigorous testing and science and stuff like that or would you be better off just doing and learning from the doing that. You're doing and continue to kind build a build an arsenal of information that you have so you can continue to move forward. You can continue to swing that acts each and every single day and start to make a dent in that tracy you can finally knock it over. Otherwise i mean i think you're you're you're wasting a lot of time and i don't think i don't think time is very kind to us. We don't have tons of it. We have we have x. Amount of years that were out of school. You know here in the united states to mandatory that you go to school so you're locked into to a prison until you're eighteen years old. You're institutionalized until at least you're eighteen a lot of people end up going to college and then from twenty five to what fifty so you got twenty five years to like try to make the most of yourself right and you don't even have that because you have to find a job and you have to be tied to that forty hours a week so my whole point in in sharing some of these messages like man. Let's just think less. Let's make things a little more simple. Let's just go with what we know. There's a lot we know a lot already the already know a lot. There's no reason to go back and forth and try to how all these discussions about it. There's people who have been doing and nothing has changed. Nothing has changed in strength training you pick up weights and over a period of time you pick up more weight and your body responds to it and it gets stronger. The same thing goes for hypertrophy. Same thing goes with nutrition. What has changed in neutral nutrition science. I think all of nutrition science personally and this might be a short sighted view of mine. But i think it's all garbage because nothing has changed. Nothing will change. humans will never evolve to be able to eat peanut butter cups and orioles. If we did. I would love to be around for those times but we can eat meat. We can eat vegetables. We can eat fruit and we can do so in kind of large amounts and not have too much of a negative impact on ourselves and those things actually are there physically kind of hard to overeat. There's probably a reason for that but anything outside of that you know. Now we're just kind of playing with stuff that's kind of manmade and not great for us and those things should be eaten in very very small moderation in my opinion so a lot of the science stuff i. I don't think there's really a ton of reasons to get too tied up and there's definitely not any reason to be handcuffed by to not allow you to make the progress that you wanna make love. Mark love that and now on on every single level and i'd love to have to pick your bryant live in a little bit more than that but very mindful of time and i said we got few people in the room ben nick. Michael mark antony genetics disjointed guys. If you want to ask a question please. Flashing mark mark's probably about another fifteen twenty minutes. So i want to try and get as much volume as possible answers. Yeah as many questions as you can so just a quick room. Respect room set. we've got mark. Bell andrews ever goes ak the pouch projects and so marks very commonly coming on to give some cunanan anything fitness life mindset will be guys we've got about fifty minutes anybody got question any produce cup stages got anything to ask. Mark a were here. Please flashing moist and so any questions. If as you please manage to yours auburn mark. Thank you for your insights things you said about. There's nothing new in the world in thinking. sometimes we we live in a society where people think. Oh i've got to know more nine more be successful now. You're talking in the context of in our health and bodybuilding etc. The principles utah kobe. You could apply to anywhere completely osa court like with your arguments around so having the time is precious and you you spend twenty years you first poverty life learning learning learning. And then you spend the rest of your own learning. So he's a nomadic. I only recently go into fitness gloss couple years and before that it was very much out when of tom wanted in and not changed my mindset to. This is a negotiable. Now what about anything but the white space is my question to you is. This is people. Have this notion around fitness at at eight. say for some people win In for me it's a non-negotiable more. Do you think we need to change. As a message. In society that people are growing up with non-negotiable looking offi soapstone graduate. This is how the bad food To to indulge yourself but keeping fit is as important as sleep or anything negoti. What did you think we need to change the ten messages. So that gets rid to people. S may downplay. Yeah i think a major thing to look at is Many folks probably would really benefit from just not looking at things as workouts Not even looking at things. Necessary exercise Looking at things as activity and or exercises so Because people can very easily make that a part of their life and i don't think there's there's really there's there's not an excuse excuses with going to the gym. I understand them. And i get it People not wanting to lift weights. I of get it. Maybe they'd just never gotten into it so i can. I can see it. i can understand it. I do think that everyone should lift weights. But i also understand that not. Everyone is going to want to. I do think some type of resistance work is important so Running hills are walking hills or Throwing a weight vest on and going for a walk You know running in the sand or even walking on the sand. But i think for most people i think they should really consider exercises and or just thinking about activity and what i mean by that is like going for a walk. Maybe before you go to the maybe before you go for a walk. Maybe you do know maybe fifty reps of of bodyweight squats onto a chair. Or maybe when you're on your walk every time you see a band she say you know what. I'm gonna do ten squads onto that. There's just no. I can't think of a person that can't incorporate that stuff into their life and it might be easier. Maybe every time. Someone uses the restroom. Maybe one day every time they use the restroom they do ups afterwards. maybe on maybe on the other days they do squats bodyweight spots We also had to kind of keep in mind. There's people that are kind of Physically handicapped right. And there's people that are mentally handicapped as well so there's people that have if people have a lot of pain and there's people that have a lot of trauma and so we need to introduce as many different ways of training the people that they can possibly think of An individual can buy like a twenty pound or ten kilo Kettle bell and get great exercise at home But some people don't like to exercise at home so they might have to have a different environment Whatever the case is we need to do the best job that we can the only way for this to really work and to have People in general feeling better and people Doing better is for us. People that exercise and people are into fitness to not judge not judge other people on why they're not more like us but encourage them to implement some of the stuff that we do in hopes that they can feel any bit of what we're feeling from it because you have made a decision to make it a non-negotiable part of your life. We can't inflect that somebody else. We can't we can't say. hey man. this stuff is fucking powerful. It's awesome it changed my life. I know for a fact. That's going to change your life as well you know. Come with me to the gym and that may work for some but for the most part you know coercion never really works. You know trying to force people to do stuff Trying to implement like laws like we see these kinds of things happen all the time It's not a great way to get people to do stuff. You know i i would rather i would rather have it. Be a to where any time. It's ever brought up where someone's frustrated with their weight. They can't get into a workout routine. You mentioned stuff to them in a way that is kind hearted and his lighthearted. And when you say hey will you know i. I know used to be into riding your bike. Ride your bike anymore. They say oh you know. I kinda tore something in my hip and i haven't been able to do that in a long time. And it kinda hurts and then you might say. Hey what about walking and this is where you kind of get into people saying the yeah buts the butts the butts but this is where you can also kind of mentioned if someone say. I'm just trying to assist you. You kind of brought it up that you want to exercise more. What do you think would be some great ways for you to get an exercise. Given the fact that you're hip is as banged up and you can't ride your bike anymore. Then you might start getting somewhere. Then they might say know. I used to swim all the time to say all that would be great. Maybe you should. Maybe you should you know. Joined that gym up again. That has a pool. East started to kind of allow people to get to these conclusions Kinda on your own. I think this is the way if there is such a thing. I think this is a way to raise. Your children is to try to get them steered in a direction that they start coming to their own conclusions but you did steer them in that direction On making a better choice between having a pepsi versus the diet pepsi versus having water type of thing. And so i think that's all we can do to encourage people to But but i do think as a human being. I think it's It's very important. And it's i think it's very obvious that we're supposed to move and we're supposed to You know not eat unhealthy each and every day and we're not supposed to overeat all the time but these are things that happen quite a bit. And i think we can walk other people through this process of a man this reasonable. Is it reasonable for you to figure out ways three or four times a week To have a diet plan that doesn't allow you to overeat and is it reasonable for you to have a couple of days a week. Maybe where you you get to enjoy a couple of things that have been on your mind or a couple of things that you really just love whether it be alcohol or candy or ice cream or pizza or whatever. I think we can get to all those things in a reasonable way. So i think the the panic the panic becomes when you start to take stuff away from people. And i think people are. They might feel energized. They might feel excited about when you add stuff to their day or add stuff to their life and say hey you know what would be. Great is if you did a couple. Ten minute walks every day. It'd be great if he got in a couple servings of fruit. It'd be great if you've got a couple of servings of vegetables it'd be great if you had at least two servings a meet every day. Hey have you ever tried a protein shake. These are all on these. Are all things that you're adding the someone's diet and you're not subtracting you never mentioned like dude. You can't have ice cream at night. You can't have pizza. You just pour all this stuff into them that that is things that could really be helpful. But you're trying to fill up their plate so much that they don't have room to do much else they get a couple of ten minute walks in the day. You recommended thirty five to forty five minutes of strength training day. They start to do that. And it's like man their days pretty filled up the food recommendations you gave to them are pretty are filling them up pretty well. Because people need to have their micronutrients accounted for and they're macronutrients and their sleep intact sleep would be another thing to encourage people about because people are all screwed up. They're not sleeping on their phones too much and things like that and so i think what we're trying to do is trying to have people in general understand that this is very reasonable for you to get to a point in your life where you're like you know what it's non-negotiable. I'm not eating those tortilla chips. I'm not I'm not compromising my seven. Am workouts. i work out at seven. Am and i'm gonna make the world just to me. Because i know how important that is for me to get that workout. Hey i you know they sent you ten years ago. I always in that place. Whereby nana this is the way i do and i say suspicion a mindset so we're fitness or business all right so not talking about thanks great. Thanks bye june as anybody any questions on stage with about ten minutes. If anybody's janette you question for mark. I have indeed love you to me amok great conversation so cost so i'm massively into by training and light beige irradiates costs of my daily routine trade most days on the moment. I'm struggling a little bit. Because i have a hair in my meniscus nine date so i'm having to be very careful i'm trying to do all the rehab stuff. I'm under a great a knee surgeon. Actually i'm i'm trying to avoid the surgery if i can Hopefully get better on. Its own in its own right but it takes time on. Obviously you know the mental side effects size. The me is one of the major benefits because it's a great way to the stress. My best ideas when i'm training at such site. I'm replacing the she talked about earlier. We resonated a lot with me. Because i'm trying to do the trading icon. Do with the injuries. I have got a lot of football yet cetera. But i just wanted to hear from you. If there are any other kind of tricks and tips how not to get crazy frustrating when you have an injury the yukon trying to the same intensity and you do have to you know still keep self guy we of course. No risk exacerbating the injury at saint thomas keeping this sort of mental wellbeing in tip top shape so i'm jeanette an custom. I thought i'd love to hear your opinion. Mark thank you for the question. I believe that Having the greater skill set that you have The greater understanding that you have training the more options that you'll have and that's that's great. You're asking this question because it's showing that you want to grow and you want to gain further knowledge so continue to ask questions There's a lot of fitness apps out there. And so the fitness apps Following people on instagram and things like that might encourage you to find some like when your knees hurt. It's kinda hard to do like let's say like a regular dead lift but then a stiff leg dead left is still something that can do. You can't really do a leg extension all that well but you can probably do a leg curl Using a leg press is something that might kind of hurt your knee but if you put your feet up high on a leg press it kinda gets ham and but'more hip circle like the circle can give you a great workout. You can walk sideways with forwards backwards. You can also follow Our buddy knees over toes ben. Patrick who's on instagram. And youtube We did a podcast with him on my power project. You can check out that episode. With ben patrick knees over toes guy Fantastic information on how to kinda rebuild the knee and he's had many many surgeries on his knees unfortunately had many many problems with his knees and nowadays can dunk basketball. His knees are very strong and so people do. That are hurt because i usually have them. Write down five things they can concentrate on. You know and things that you can't do. Let's just not even really worry about him because they're just not an option at the moment and so you know the the amount of exercises that you can do with a bum. Knee is still way off the charts. I mean you could do a lot of exercising and you're just trying to find stuff that doesn't aggravate it but you can also get multiple benefits by finding things that not only don't aggravated but maybe things that might strengthen it and you can kind of look some of these things up again ben. Patrick is one of the leading experts in this area. I think You can look up. Something called a peterson. Step up There are other exercises such as walking backwards with a sled can be tremendous. Ju just a sled has wait. A minute. And again ben patrick. He's smart and he knows like not. Everyone has access to you a sled that they can load plates on and it's not always easy to use that kind of stuff use it outside. It's loud and so he just recommends people get an old beat up backpack throw some weight in their attach of rope to it and then put it on your lifting belt and walk backwards with it and do it like in a field or something like that so there's just so many options in terms of You know even when we are her even when we are banged up but be patient with it and don't do a good rule thumb in terms of injury in terms of. I guess just pain in general. I think anyone could use this any time in the gym. And there's i'll give you a couple of good rules of thumb here. Number one is don't train above a pain level of three in terms of like discomfort and actual not like musk muscular Pain not like oh man. I don't know if i can do in the rep type stuff but More so just acute pain. You know you've got pain in your shoulder elbow or knee should never be above a level. Three notice. I said we're never right. Never be above a pain three. There's no reason it's not any more beneficial to continue to do that. Exercise hurts that bad. It's going to cause more damage other things to keep in mind our that your your first rep should look like i'm sorry you're last rep should look like your first rep and i believe that this is fairly true of all exercises almost all the time maybe ninety five or ninety eight percent of your training should look that way your last rep of your last set should look like the first rep of your first set. You're last rep of your last set. Should look like the first rep of your first set. Wait can dictate your reps and reps can dictate your weight. But they should be dictating each other for sure again. Meaning like if i'm going to put two hundred pounds something or one hundred kilos as you guys say. Put about one hundred kilos on something. Then i need to in my head. Associate a number of reps with that. That are reasonable for me to be able to do. And this is how we can avoid getting hurt in the first place. So hopefully all. Those things are helpful. There's also like a lot of other exercises you can do. Sometimes we tend to make fun of some of the stuff we see in jams but there's that nominal ergonomic where you can just move your arms you can also hit like a heavy bag Just you know punching like a heavy bag which just might be great released because of your frustrations with you know The knee pain. You can hit a speed bag which is just some fun exercise and you might be able to do something like an elliptical. You don't sleep on those things that there are still great forms of exercise And you can also kind of take this time to as you pointed out You know build up your upper body a bit train your arms a little bit more. Do more pushups. But if you're still trying to keep that heart rate elevated maybe you're able to get on an elliptical piece for thirty seconds. Go at pretty hard pop off there and do some shoulder flies. Go back to the elliptical comeback to the weights and and do You know some curls and so forth and still get amazing workouts. I think you'll be surprised and shocked at how awesome the workouts can be. Even though you're hampered with his injury is brilliant. Thank you mark inside loads of inspiration this so thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Diane thanks so much. I'll pass it back. Thanks janette thanks mark Come into the time now but just a question for you mark. What what's your goes now. If you achieve everything to fitness career what what you can do moving forward if you've got anything that you want to do. Chievo any goes in sounds of fitness or even business for that now. Just want to continue to reach many people's possibly can you know expand out in Spread my wings more and and Reach as many people as possible. I'd like to help people that are obese and help people that are maybe head down the wrong path Eventually i'd like to get into you know figuring out some ways to help Like families really Children and things of that nature. So that's i want to be able to serve and service more people With the knowledge that. I have. Because i think The stuff that i preach i think is is fairly reasonable to implement and I have many different like stages in many different ways. That people can do it. I'm not stuck on any one particular diet so I'm not married to any principle or concept necessarily but i do have some ideas and concepts that i think when people implement them It can be something that they can utilize some consistency to get the results. They're looking for I like ketogenic diets. I like low. Carb diets like intermittent fasting. But i'm also you know open minded to allow people to pick a diet. That's going to work well for them. And if it works and it helps to minimise Somebody's body weight gain. It's helping to manage body weight than i'm i'm all for it and supportive of it and Try to be as positive as i can For all those individual people but yeah that's Some of the next mission is to hone in and work on focusing on that samat. I love that. I love the off. Got one more burning question for you mark. If you don't mind me asking what you set your modifies. Yes sir. Yes so i work with people are looking to get into their out of works. Look into getting so work so educate them and i do touch on fitness and so mental health. How they can optimize just being healthy but lot of what they ask me. Is you know some of these people. Are you know the reading secure that there may be a way on the white but i sites me. I'm lost what to do. I'm lost thunder what to do. What would advice would you give to somebody that is lost and doesn't know what to do in general. What would you say. I would say that You know It's as simple as asking if you have questions and you want answers. All you gotta do is ask and so. I think that that is a really really important thing i think. Sometimes people feel foolish and asking. I think somebody who has lost and has a drug addiction or somebody who's lost and is kind of just struggling their life. It's a really really hard thing to do. Even go to like your best friend and to say. Hey man like i suck. I'm really struggling. I could use your help and you might be ashamed or embarrassed about whatever it is that you need help with and you might have a question that you think is just so silly because it's so basic and even for people that aren't like suffering necessarily but you just kind of. You're not sure of what to do next. You don't know where to go. You don't know what the steps are the. I think there's important things to know and one thing to know is that nobody knows where they're going The meaning of life is something that is like unknowable. And so all of us can end up kind of thinking about that for a minute and going home my god. That's fucking miserable. We don't know why we're here. You know why am i here. Why am i doing this time i. Why am i doing this with my kid. Or why am i thinking about doing this or that. Sometimes it doesn't make any sense but actually there's a different way of looking at it and that is that because life kinda seems meaningless. It's actually a huge blessing in disguise. Because it gives us the autonomy it gives us the freedom for each individual person to define what it means to them and so it doesn't have to really have a lot of meaning or purpose behind. It could be as simple as i'm just going to take on each. And every day the best that i possibly can and i would like to figure out ways of moving my family forward from where my previous generations were I would like to just advance this family of a couple of inches forward. And that's like a that gives that now gives you meaning and then how do you do that. You kind of work your way backwards from there. I think work anyway is a really important skill to learn and you can kind of think of maybe you feel a little bit lost but maybe always wanted to be a chef or you wanted to be an artist or wanted to be this or that work your way backwards from there. What would it mean to do that. Will who are other people that you know in your circle nowadays you know. We used to have seven degrees of separation between people very hard to find material experts. It was very hard to gather information. I guess you could go to a library or you could potentially have a mentor in your life and be very lucky but nowadays through the internet All these people that are on the internet promoting themselves and promoting their other businesses. They're a lot of them are available to you to. You can ask questions to them. You could learn okay. How did this guy how this guy be able to do what. He's what he loves to do for a living. Then you can start to mimic that because in the beginning. You don't know how to do it so you just copy other people as best he. Can you copy their ideas. You copy their principles and you don't even have any like thoughts or quotes or ideas or principles of your own necessarily just kind of following someone else's footsteps. I wanna be photographer. Okay well i found a dude. That's local that for would that guy love to get some free help. Hell yeah. I would imagine if you're like man. I love to come on some shoots with you as long as you're not annoying and as long as you not you know. Act in two crazy or weird. I'm sure they would be down for it. I'm sure they'd be like yeah. that's cool. do it for free for a while. Then maybe you develop a little bit of your own skill set. And you're like i think i could. Maybe you know the start to do this for some other folks and So i think anyone who's lost. I think the main the main key the entire thing is to Ask questions you know. I think it's the bible and the bible says ask and you shall receive big believer in that. All you gotta do is ask you wanna. I mean people that are millionaires. They wanna share their their story like they People that are jacked. They love talking about themselves being jacked and how they got there. Anyone who's the success in anything Most likely is not going to be someone who's shy talking about. Hey man how'd you become. How did you become so successful. you know With these coffee shops that you have you think. Someone's going to be like fuck you dude. They take it as a compliment. Maybe they don't have a ton of time to communicate with you but you'll find people that That will have plenty of time. They wanna make time for you because they remember they've been there themselves. We've all been walking around aimlessly. And i think there's there's some ages that i've seen very common where people are kind of walking around aimlessly. I think when we're young because we're kind of stuck in school. And because there's like a weird transitional phase from like eighteen to like almost twenty five when you're in between those ages you can just chalk it up to being young and say well you know. What do you do for a living and the kind of say. Oh do this or that. But i eventually want to do that. And you just chalk it up to being young that you're not doing the shit that you wanna be doing but you can only do that for so long and then eventually you know you have to kind of become part of society. But it's very understandable to be lost and there's a lot of people that are that feel lost but when you feel lost. I think it's the most important thing to understand or no. It doesn't matter who you're following. It doesn't matter who you're looking at. It doesn't matter if it's the rock or it's the president united states. Everyone's a little bit lost. People don't know what tomorrow has like. We can only assume what tomorrow has. We're all trying to do our best and so continue to ask questions not only ask questions but ask you know work on asking better questions over a period of time so you can get better answers an income up with solutions. I think every single thing that you're wondering about And every single problem that you may have in your life. They're all fairly solvable. Maybe you know maybe not. Everything is maybe. Maybe you're not you're never going to be your most likely never going to be problem free but you can reduce all of your problems by continue to investigate and continue to ask. Questions osa mock. Oh some love that. Love that and i will leave it there guys just them. We've run over by about ten minutes birthmark. Andrew just want to thank you for coming on coming onto club. And this he's been he's been really really good really really great answers and it's been a few on. Its as a say i remember. It was a time when i was lost once and i didn't injured knee enough for i. Just don't want to do. And after i picked up a barbell i'll go into cross van. I sti- following mark and You certainly give me an inspiration over years and to be talking now and share in a review and asking questions is has been great and i'm really really appreciative. So because we're gonna shut down the room. I just want to say thank mark and thanks for doing this really really great for. Thanks for coming on everybody. That's been known instead. Ask questions and please follow up place for the police for the club and yet guys you have a great day you have a quiet evening but once again mark and you thank you so much. He's been ruled pleasure and enjoy whatever. Thanks so much guys take care. Thank you so much appreciate it appreciate you guys take care of. You wanna have a great evening great evening. Actually wh- what were. What are your thoughts on. How how that went cool. Yeah thought they asked a lot of cool questions. Always good to have You know different people asking different questions. And that's that guy's a fan That last question was an interesting one. I think i think when you when you are. Someone is having problems. It's hard for the information even land on you correctly you know i could. I could send a video to somebody. Hey man if you watch us. I really think it will help you because it. It helped me. But i'm in a different spot than somebody else. When i send it to them they might not hear any of the message or they might misinterpret some of the message. You know i could send something somebody that says that shares a bunch of stories about The woman who wrote harry potter the star wars story the raw. You know the semester loan. Rocky story i could send somebody a bunch of this information and someone could misinterpret that that like i need to. I need to wait it out. I need to stick to my guns. My ideas are bad ass. And i know that they're going to work at some point and it's like well. Maybe you didn't write harry potter. You know what i mean like. Maybe maybe your idea is not that. And maybe my point in sending it was to just shell that these people never gave up on themselves and they never gave up on these projects and Someone can kinda misinterpret that a different way. And just you know think that they're going to all of a sudden gets spotted by somebody and something. Miraculously cool is going to happen for them. So i think that that last question was a tough one to really answer because it just depends on like the stages of that. You're in whether you're even capable of receiving the very question that you just you. Just ask something. How do i lose weight. And when sudha somebody starts spitting out how much hard work or how much work there is to be done. You're immediately shutting it down you resistant to it because you're just not really ready for it. I don't wanna go on much longer. But i would say like or i would ask you. Is it similar to like somebody trying to get on a Like i want to lose weight but all the junk And then you say no. How about you try this. That's going to be really hard for them to just click over and start eating a little bit healthier right so if they are in a bad spot you give them some good advice. It's probably just not gonna hit my take awhile and just might be. They might kind of be offended or they might go and try to do it and then they find out. It's just it's way more difficult than they thought and rather than working on incremental progress trying to be a little bit better. They say fuck it. I'm just not ready for that. You know i just. I'm not. I'm not good at that. I and then people get kind of negative self talk and it just becomes a snowball of kind of self Of negative self talk. Yeah all right. Well we'll get out of here if you guys enjoyed that. I think it's called fitness. Fifteen all try to do any links down the description below or Just pay attention to the intro. That will have all of the solid information please while the podcast at mark bells power project on instagram at nba On tiktok in twitter my twitter and instagram. i'm andrew andruzzi tiktok at the andrews e. And make sure he has a following insieme at nca yin yang on tiktok. He is kind of going bananas on their He's he's literally going to be famous because of tiktok. It's fucking crazy. He's gonna be a tiktoker. Yeah yeah where you at mark. I'm at mark smelly bell on tiktok as well and That should blowing up because of my coaching sima I think insieme has a few hundred thousand followers over there which is tricking outstanding I think mine has kind of Blown up to. I don't have any of these actual platform. So i don't know but we've film stuff it every day and i know it's growing and i appreciate it and just sharon good information there. That's quick and easy to digest two. Makes you check that out. Also on instagram at mark's me bill. Check out out any where else you want at mark's me bell strengths. Never week this week. Just never. Strenght catch guys later bye.

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Brittanys Summer Kick Off

The BosBabes

23:51 min | 4 months ago

Brittanys Summer Kick Off

"This is not your typical Sports show is real, Andrew David, but I know we are back at it again, and what is up, boss, babes Fanatics. This is your host. Britney Bali and not. First and foremost, I want to thank every single listener that is listening to this podcast. You guys know that I drop about four episodes of month bank. You guys have been a listening to me, all throughout covid-19. And we actually had pro athletes and all of our guests come live in studio. After covid-19, it, actually decided to go. Another route, and of course, a lot of you guys, follow along with her social media, she decided to work on her own brand. She just recently gave birth to a little boy named riler. Wow, congratulations to Emma. So all is very exciting. Emma actually just recently came with me to a Joe, andruzzi Foundation event. Stay tuned. I will be dropping a highlight from that whole amazing day. It was absolutely freaking, fantastic. We were at a golf tournament. Unfortunately, it did rain a little bit but nonetheless, it was a great turnout. But again, guys, I just wanted to jump on here because you are boys listening to me interview. Lots of great, professional athletes, their wives, and girlfriends. And, of course, reality T competitors. And, and I know that I just mentioned it, but I feel like I have to say that over and over and over again, you boss babes Fanatics, make this all worthwhile, and I figured why not start throwing out. So, it's on here that are more personal that way, you guys can kind of follow me along my journey. A lot of you guys know that I travel a time. My boyfriend plays professional baseball game. All we are always going from North Carolina to Boston and everywhere in between and our lives are fairly interesting and a lot of you that are listening to this podcast asked know me from my former reality TV background. So you guys know that I love talking on air. I love keeping you guys in the loop with everything I am doing. So I figured why not a couple of times a month, me just come on here. Talk to the microphone myself. Do a little bit of banter. Have you guys kind of wondering what I'm up to behind the scenes while on my road trips? While going on dinner dates with my boyfriend, while hanging out with my dog Decker and I just thought it might be like a fun way for you guys to kind of keep up with my life and aside, from just listening to the interviews that I do, because I get DMS all the time that are like Iowa. Back on reality T, when you're going to go back on the challenge. When are we going to see you on TV again? Hey are you going to get that job with WEEI? And it's like, you know what, guys, at the end of the day off I'm not in control if MTV cast me ever again, for another reality T show. I am not in control if WEEI or any of these other radio stations near me ever again. So I'm at this point in my life, where I have all the equipment, all of the skills and I already have an a built-in audience. All of you fabulous people. So, why not just showcase and share my skills, share my voice, with all of you. So here we are, I guess, sort of episode, one of you guys learning a little bit more about me behind the scenes, and I guess it will be like my summer kick-off episode. So bear with me. It's just going to be me talking to the microphone. I Will Not Dead. Interviewing anybody today and I'm going to gauge your interest and see how you guys like this podcast episode. Because of course it's my first time ever, just sitting here yapping in a microphone myself. Let's just jump right into it. For those of you guys that don't know, Ryan actually, recently got picked up by a baseball team, I'm sure you see my post up on social media and I'll give you a little bit of backstory on that. So, last year twenty-twenty was very difficult for everybody, especially pro athletes. So, right off, as you guys know, was with the Toronto Blue Jays last year him. And I met actually directly right before covid-19 it. So we met in January of 2028 and I were both actually in the city of Boston which is where I'm from, he was visiting some former teammates, they were enjoying their time in the Boston area and ride and I just happened to bump into them. Each other. If you guys are interested in listening to that whole podcast episode, we do have a full episode called, getting to know us behind the scenes. So feel free to check that out off. Either iTunes, our Spotify or wherever you are listening to me right now. Ryan did not get to play baseball last season, however, he worked very hard on his own now and trained, what happened after that was he became a free agent at the end of the season and luckily he was able to get the opportunity to get signed with an indie ball team. Some of you guys did see that information posted online but kind of cool Flash Forward. Literally a few hours before Ryan was supposed to fly out to join up with his in bball team. It happened right around Mother's Day. Brian was actually picked up by the Seattle Mariners, baseball organization, and he has now currently out in Washington. 10:00 so freaking excited for him. So I am able to embark on that Journey with him. Ryan was picked up, he flew out to location after Ryan Choi was picked up by the Seattle Mariners organization. He was out there for a number of weeks by himself. Of course, I wasn't able to just pack up and go home. Here we are. I will talk about my trip to Tacoma because I recently took a baseball trip out to Tacoma. I got to say for six days in Tacoma with Ryan and for the first time ever, I got to see him play baseball because again, we've only been dating for about a year and half and with twenty-twenty the covin situation and him not playing or a lot of pro athletes are not being able to play. This has been my first time ever, getting to see him play baseball. So again, I am very happy for him and all the other pro athletes out there that are able. To jump in and do what they love again. I'll give you guys some quick backstory on our relationship. Ended up spending all of twenty-twenty just getting to know each other splitting time between both the Boston area and obviously time in North Carolina because that's where him and his family are from lots of road tripping, about fourteen, our road trip. So if you guys have never been on a road trip before, wow, it is a lot of work. And we actually travel with our dog Decker, so with all of that constant traveling, and spending so much time together at definitely developed, a really awesome volland between the two of us. While Ryan has been in the state of Washington, currently, I've actually been spending a good chunk of time with his mom and dad. So I actually lived with his parents and our dog Decker, the whole month of May in North Carolina birth And believe it or not, it actually wasn't awkward. It wasn't weird, his parents are super chill, super awesome, very fun, very light-hearted. Love to go on adventures. His parents are very old school, love to sit down and make dinner and hang out and just be very expressive. And they're all about family and good times. So while I was hanging out in North Carolina, I got to try custard. If you guys have never tried custard before I highly suggest trying it out. Of course, if you're dairy-free, I'm not sure. You could even have clustered, but they have all different types of flavors. You could throw on different toppings and it's definitely more of like a southern treat. I've never had it before until I came to the cell. So since I've been in the summer off and on, I have been trying to test out different types of foods. And again custard is a good one, a nice awesome, sweet treat that I have been enjoying while spending some time down. Self also, while being down South, we enjoy going to visit. Ryan's Nanny every Sunday. It's a tradition for us to go visit his grandmother, which they call them so much fun. She is so freaking sweet. And again, the Dell family, they are all about, just being themselves, being family-oriented prior to Ryan am leaving for baseball season. Every Sunday, we would all go together as a family to hang out with his Nanny. Spend the night with her have dinner, roast, some marshmallows over the fireplace. So it is good to continue that tradition, even though he is away, we love going to his aunt lens pool. They have a really cool set up in North Carolina as well. They live in a different town. It is definitely an interesting area because we're they live aside from where Ryan's parents are located. It is more Farm. Like so you as you're driving through the roads, you see, like a lot of Cal's and a whole bunch of farmland, and it's just very cool. So, different than anything I've ever experienced before. They have a really awesome outdoor grill, they have a pool, just a fun, great setup. And for me to be able to be home part of the family, while Ryan is a way, has been such a blessing young guys. I just want to thank you all so much for listening into this personal podcast episode. I'm calling it The Summer kick-off. It's my first time ever just sitting here again. Yapping into the microphone by myself, not doing an interview but I just figured why the heck not? And if you guys enjoy this episode I will totally do more like it that way you guys can kind of listen to some of the behind-the-scenes of what I am doing. Aside from interviewing pro athletes birth And girlfriends and reality. T v competitors. Let's chat a little bit about my trip to 2, so I don't know if any of you guys have ever been to Tacoma Washington. It's definitely an interesting place. I had never been to Washington ever in my life, first and foremost before we even get into the Tacoma trip itself, the airports. Oh, my gosh. When I tell you, they are so busy, you guys are planning on going on any trips any time soon. Like, let me tell you pack your own lunch. Make sure your phone is fully charged. Like, take eight showers once you go home, because it is so hot. So sweaty, I had a layover and Arizona and I just remember texting Ryan, Walsh airport and being like, Oh my gosh, I cannot wait to get out of here. I am so hot. I am so sweaty. I do not want to be here anymore and he kept on saying Brits, okay? It's all right, just relax. It seemed to me in a month, it's going to all be worth it, and I was just like, okay, let me calm down. Let me meditate, let me go get a freaking ice water, and I'll be fine. But yeah, if you guys are getting ready to go on any types of trips home, now that the restrictions are starting to get lifted, the airports are starting to get very freaking busy so make sure you are prepared for it. I absolutely hate airport food so I want to throw that out there too young. I am not a fan of airport food, something about like waiting in line for like a mediocre sub or a salad that costs you $20 with like two pieces of chicken in it off is not for me. So I I need to learn to start packing more snacks or like healthy snacks because not really a big fan of airport food. I mean, yes, they definitely do have both restaurants at some of the airport's, but most of the time when you're at an airport, you don't even have time to sit down and eat anything because either you have a connecting flight or dead. If they're too late and you're freaking someone over your suitcase to get to your proper gate. So one of the time, it's like, you have those restaurants there and you end up missing out on them, because you don't even have any time to even sit down and eat aside from not enjoying airports that much the flight to Tacoma itself. Wasn't that bad? So once I actually got onto the airplane, it was pretty cool because when you are getting closer to the West Coast, wherever that location happened to be, I mean, I'm no freaking pilot. So I don't know what direction we were flying or like what states? We went over but I just remember seeing so many mountains and one of my favorite things about traveling on an airplane, it's being able to look out out the window and just kind of like see what the clouds look like, see what the wing looks like. Like listen to the home of the Dead. Airplane engine, it's kind of like, meditative in a way. Like I love the sound of an airplane engine. I probably sound like a weirdo. But I am such a fan of listening to the hum off, an airplane engine. So yes, I do love looking out the window. I also think it's super cool when you're landing and you're able to kind of see like civilian life and just pull out at all the houses and the buildings and you can kind of pick out, baseball fields and football fields and tools from above like that bird's eye view, and almost kind of looks like a little fake doll house in a way. So I've always been a big fan of airplane rides, but this one in particular was kind of interesting. Because as you got closer to Tacoma and Seattle, you should see all of these amazing Mountain Rangers and Mount Ranier. Is a very prominent Mountain. So, as you're getting closer, you can see Mount Ranier from The airplane window. And I just remember like gawking at it, like, oh my gosh, this is so beautiful. So nice and actually the name of Ryan's team, the Triple-A team for the Seattle Mariners wage there. Actually called the Tacoma Rainiers. I believe named after Mount Ranier. You guys ever get the opportunity to fly out to Washington? Definitely be on the lookout for that month and and those mountain ranges, I don't know if any of you guys have ever been to Washington, but the weather there is kind of tricky. So when it came to packing, for that short 68,000, I honestly did not know what to pack because obviously it's June turning July. So you're thinking it's going to be hot, but the way that the state of Washington is located, it's so close to not only the ocean, but very close to the border of Canada that you get like a lot of cool air and not a lot of humidity again song. No freaking weatherman, but this is just based off of stuff that I've asked the locals or did polls on Facebook about and just simply researching things ahead of time to see what to pack. If you guys are going to Washington at any point, especially in the summer, make sure you pack a number of items. A big thing is a light raincoat because you're in Washington. So, of course, it's going to rain a little bit. Also, it does get a little hot during the day, but at night, it definitely cools down. So, you want to make sure you have like, lights along with you or pants, of course. But of course, ladies out there that are listening pack your sundresses pack, those shorts pack, the sunglasses, you can totally look cute that night, you want to make sure I have like some type of a light coat. And same thing with the guys out, there you go, definitely get away with wearing a t-shirt or light long sleeve during the day, but at night you want to make sure you have some type of a light jacket and or light rain. So just in case, the weather starts to go, south going off to the weather. There is a decent amount of sunlight. I am looking forward to spending most of my summer there. I will actually be embarking on a three-day Roadtrip very soon, so stay tuned. If you guys do enjoy listening to this personal podcast episode, I will most likely do a podcast episode. Just on a road trip itself. I am not only nervous about it but also excited because I have never driven across the country before and I am going with Brian's mom. Ryan's dad and our dog Decker. So Ryan and I stated a pretty nice hotel, I will not name which hotel it is because a lot of the players are actually still staying there, but the hotel was very nice. It was actually right in the Tacoma area. It was fully equipped with a restaurant and it had a gym just the basics. There was no pool but just enough for us to be close enough to the baseball game. Field. Which is why we are all there in the first place and it's walking distance to The Glass Museum, which is right in Tacoma. It was walking distance, like a Starbucks, a poke Bowl place a sushi place. All types of local area things that you could do. While you were saying at the hotel every morning ride and I would get up, we would get a brown leather before, he went to the fields and that was a lot of fun for me. Obviously, he played his games at night at night. We weren't really able to go on date nights or do much, because, of course, he was there to play baseball. So, I spent a lot of time with the fields, which we will get into shortly. So, on Sunday. We were actually able to enjoy a nice dinner date together. And ironically enough the Red Sox were off. So he did watch a little bit of the Red Sox game. Shout out to my friend, Chelsea Barnes her husband, Matt was actually pitching that night. So we were, or I was low-key rooting for the Red Sox, right off my flight club. A day that Ryan picked me up. Wednesdays are usually his off days. He picked me up from the airport, I got settled at the hotel and we also went on a sushi dinner date together so all-in-all. I like I said it was there for about six days, we went on a ton of brunch dates together. We went on a couple dinner dates together but majority of the time was spent at the baseball field, of course. So the stadium is very nice and I do not fully know how to pronounce the name of the stadium, but it's spelt c, h. E, e, n, e, y, I believe Jenny or Cheney Stadium. It is in Tacoma, Washington. And the best part about the field is you can actually see Mount Ranier off on a nice clear day where there's no clouds. You could actually see the very top of the mountain from the L, feel, so it is actually a beautiful view, the stadium is gone. It's equipped with all types of amazing sweets that you can sit in. I made some friends with some of the wives and girlfriends, they're absolutely fabulous. I'm looking forward to getting to know them a little bit better. It's always fun, making new friends and kind of just enjoying that experience and watching our significant others dream Chase. I did just mention that you can see Mount Ranier from The Outfield. There's lots of drinks and food and mascots dancer dancing around. It's definitely a fun atmosphere. So if you guys are ever out and that's a coma area and wants to go catch some baseball, whether it's the Seattle Mariners team or the Tacoma Rainiers. I highly suggest it. Of course, they have other sports out there as well, so it's not like you have to just go see, baseball games, there's plenty of other sports out there as well. I'm definitely looking forward to spending the most of my summer out in the Washington area. I will also be taking some road trips. I'm planning on potentially going through, Ryan's iPhone. Vegas trip. I am hopefully going to be going to his Houston trip. So, again, if you guys do like this, personal summer, kick-off, podcast episode, I will 100% for you. Boss babes Fanatics, continue to do some episodes like this. That way, you guys can listen in on my personal life and get some Insider views on what I'm doing aside from just my social media, I feel like it's important for you guys to kind of keep up with my lifestyle and see what I'm doing. See what Ryan and I are doing that are free time or our date nights. We're we're traveling to where we like to take our dog to the park and stuff like that. So please please, please continue to listen to the boss, who's lifestyle Sports podcast on iTunes Spotify. IHeartRadio, thank you so much for following on social media. You guys suck. All absolutely fantastic. I will be doing a ton of give-aways the summer so please keep posted on my at Brittany baldy social media and of course all the boss baby's social media. I am fairly active on all platforms. I do not have chick talk. So if you end up seeing it, freaking tic toc out there that has my name on it or SnapChat. It is not me so disregard that. I hope you guys have a fantastic rest of your week and Boston. Kinetics, you guys are absolutely incredible. I thank you guys so much for tuning in every time I drop a brand new episode, this will definitely not be the last personal episode that I dropped, especially if you guys enjoy it. And of course, State found all summer, all fall I will be releasing brand new, you heard me correctly, brand new, professional athlete interviews and reality T competitive game. Never use again. Thank you so much Boston's Fanatics and stay tuned for next week's episode. I'm your host revolves on the way things are in. I'm on the right. Translation pack of cigarettes programs.

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The History of Electronic Drums with Justin Greenawalt

Drum History

1:03:46 hr | 8 months ago

The History of Electronic Drums with Justin Greenawalt

"Look into the drum history podcast. I'm barb andruzzi. And today i am joined by justin green walt. Who is the king of electronic drums on youtube from sixty five. Drums justin welcome. Thanks for having me on. Yeah man i mean you have just built this like unbelievable youtube channel since Twenty fourteen ish as you were telling me I have a feeling that if anyone out there has ever looked up you know e- drums or electronic drums On youtube come across a video of yours because you have just covered so many different brands and topics and and everything to do with electronic. Drums is like brute force. Just chug away for years and you'll eventually touch on everything. Yeah tell me about it. That's that's very true man. I mean you've got eighty point two thousand subscribers on youtube. So i mean really. You're doing a great job and and not to you know just go on about it too much but the level of quality and like attention to detail that you put into things is so clear that like i mean you. You're good with video editing. And it looks like you do almost like after-effects stuff man you've got quite the breadth of skills there. Thanks man at us to be really bad at it. But you sort of just watch a ton of youtube tutorials and you eventually sort of figure out color grading and sound design and stuff it just. It just takes a long time. I was surprised. The channel even group. As far as i remember when people were telling me that my cap would be twenty thousand subscribers because that's the top number of people that would care about this topic and eventually you just outgrow little a little bit at a time and yeah. I'm excited that the channel is growing like this and i appreciate the kind words. A just again brute force my way through getting better at editing and stuff it you don't instantly make nice videos you just get slowly better at it over time exactly and you know. I just think everyone knows it's not to get too philosophical but if it's better to put out some stuff that's not so great at first and build your way up and just keep releasing videos as opposed to getting hung up on things and not putting anything out. We're all guilty of that in some way of just like like music or whatever like it's not perfect i can't put it out yet. Put it out and move onto the next one will. Yeah it's like it's like the people that spend five years issuing their snare don't notice in the actual song always so i think it's worth putting it out if you can if you can force yourself just get more out so anyway one of your amazing amazing video series that that led me to you is I wanted to do an episode on the history of electronic drums. And i was doing some research and pretty much instantly. I came across your videos the history of electronic drums. So i went. Wow okay that's probably a good Good move and then i saw it was you and i was just like okay. This is just too cool. I hope i can get him on the show and you have just been great and responded very fast and here. We are so I i should say too. I am pretty sure. Multiple people have suggested this as an episode in the Really and i think it was a while back. And i don't have their names written down so if you have sent me try to documented because it's really easy to lose these suggestions but if you suggested this than thank you And it's happening so All right just on that note man. Why don't we jump into the beginning of electronic drums. Which as i learned in your video is in the sixties correct. Yeah yes so not much happened in the sixty s. All that happened was We saw the i like experimentation with electronic drums. And there's no internet obviously and everyone knows that in the backer heads but what you realize when you start looking is that not having internet is a big deal like people weren't blogging about everything that happened every five seconds. It's this is a problem in the nineties when people stopped writing books and the internet was out. So there's a dead period in the nineties or all you have to rely on is like monitor magazine. Ads that sort of thing in the nineteen sixties electronic drums. As far as we can tell were invented by a guy named felix visser. He modified an ace tone rhythm box and that was like a box like a drum machine back then at a row buttons on it with programs beat loops. That's my understanding of it and you press a button and you and you'd hear beat loop coming out through. The speaker could choose. What kind of beat loop you wanted. his idea. and i haven't actually even really seen that. Many photos of this idea was what if i ransom wires or some sensors to it so i could actually trigger individual. Sounds not just here. An entire beat luke be able to play the sounds in real time. Wow so that was the first stuff in that. Was like sixty four. And that's pretty much it for that decade and then and then in the seventies that's when all the really cool stuff started happening and then in the eighties to can. Can i ask you though. Because i know i know you talked about it in the video Which is i'm going to link to it again. It's the history of electronic drums. And it's this is nineteen sixty to nineteen eighty. Three is your first video And i i feel like i was screwed up because it's talion but the hollywood the miozzi miozzi miozzi. Yeah that's a. There's some argument on whether or not that's electric or not. But there were these hollywood tronc drums. That came out sometime in the sixties. Well we don't have an exact date. They were acoustic drums. The had some sort of like microphones are sensors inside of them running to drum brain. Which then you could apply effects and stuff to the sound. It kind of reminds me of like yamaha. Jd mahin system that you can clip on your bass drum and you can change the sound. It's kind of sort of like that. There's also some video. I included in that first episode. And it's really really weird. They're pretty rare. They don't come across ebay that often but when they do It's it's worth checking them out. Yeah and there's cool There is photos. And i believe video. I don't know if you actually hear the effects but Kenny clark and then max roach played that brand And i believe kenny clarke video him. I think in italy using the Hollywood that the System so They're super rare. I mean that's one of those like almost like the ludwig top hat and cane kind of like mythical drums where he come across some. It's it's rare Watching some drumming episode where they were touring. Some sort of drum factor. I can't remember the brand. But they were like panning through the factory and there was just a random hollywood trying to drum sitting right there it was like how and they didn't even really mention it. I was like oh my gosh. It's some of these old brands. It's not like it's not even like you could search for them. Obviously kind of had the know someone who knew someone. If you didn't live next to the story there may not even be distribution to where you live where you could actually buy one. Yeah especially with coming from From italy which is need one. More question about the sixty so with that i What was the name of the first that the actual the first one you were talking about the ace tone rhythm box yes. The rim box are ace. Tone the box. So where does this may be a weird dumb question but like you know how unlike electronic organs like in a church. There's usually like a press play and you get like a drum beat I think like there's like old songs like You know jj kale. I think would use it a lot where you hit plane butte. Here which butch butch. I'm probably blowing yet a microphone. Where does that fall into things. I mean because that's kind of. I know you're not playing but that's kind of a you know programmed drums and away right. No i. it is and it's weird because they kind of. I think they obviously as you can see here. They came before electronic drums and were modified into electronic drums. But there's like this parallel thing developing rhythm boxes and drum machines because let's be honest a lot of keyboard players guitar players secretly in the back of their minds. Kind of wished drummers didn't exist and that they could create the beats themselves and so with the aid awaits stuff and the ninety nine and the this rhythm box by the way was actually made. Guy named a Akashi if i'm seeing that right and he went on to found roland so even when you go back that far. There's everyone's tied each other. The industry's back then. There weren't as expansive as they are now. And so yeah. Unfortunately my knowledge of the history of rhythm boxes like this. Isn't that extensive. But i believe an author named alex. Graham made a really good history of that also made a good history book on the history of electronic drums called electronic drum facts. You can check out cool. Awesome all right. Well that makes perfect sense. Because i mean really the I know with like simmons and stuff like that. A lot of the advent of this is not a drummer. Saying lemme create something. That can play a drumbeat. So that i'm out of work. It's usually obviously from what i've seen is. It's a non drummer making something so that they can. Then you know play to a beat. That doesn't require a human being so It it's just a it's basically a tool that you can use however you want shum electronic. Drums are really the cousins of keyboards. Keyboards have a better keyboards. And synthesizers have a better reputation out in the world. You know But electronics under seen in a different light for some reason even though they're essentially the same sort of concept you're hitting some sort of sensor and you're triggering sound coming from a computer somewhere. That's exactly right early. Technology kinda reminds me of and we'll move on here quips sane random things but it reminds me of like how they're like you know. Oh the you know the apollo space missions. They went to the moon on things that fit in like like that. Are like an unaccustomed later nowadays technology. It's it's interesting to think of these pieces of machinery in computing. That would be in these old drums. Oh yeah even if you go into the eighties. There was a simmons at on like a couple of megabytes of ram memory. And there's just a couple of megabytes was like thousands of dollars in today's money in and that wouldn't even make a dent on your smartphone. That would that would hardly hold a video. You know what i mean. Oh boy we take it for granted the internet and all this stuff but All right so carry on there so sixties very very early on people aren't really you know i'm sure it's been experimenting with but it's not in the pop culture quite yet right so right from there so moving head into the seventies. This is when i'll break it into two sections. We had the i bands using electronic drums and live or an albums and we had the first companies. Now the i bands. They weren't actually even buying these from companies on. This is like seven wine. Through seventy-three maybe seventy five moody. Blues is far as we can tell us the first recording of electronic drums graeme edge. Use them in a every. Good boy deserves favour. It's a really weird trippy song. But you know it kind of works. It's interesting to hear the very first recordings and then Around that same time. Seventy one seventy three something like that. Emerson lake and palmer. They used electronic drums. The drummer carl palmer actually got a guy from lp to make him some electronic drum gear really experimental. He used it in a drum solo. And unfortunately i don't think i could include the audio of that in my video because of copyright reasons. yeah These bands pounce on you. Unfortunately oh yeah you know especially the ones from the eighties early on but that was that was really really early on. And then beyond that. I didn't have any any inkling of again was craft work. You can see them using electronic drums in bbc. Tomorrow's world there's video on youtube. Type it in. That's seventy three and seventy five. They basically modified a rhythm box. Just like field visser in the sixties. But what they did was it was interesting. They had wires running from these new drum machines going into metal drumsticks so the drumsticks had a leash and then they would play and hit these metal sheets and every time i guess circuit was completed by them. You know using a metal drumstick hitting these metal sheets that would trigger sound from inside of the rhythm box. It was really really experimental. Weird music. But i guess they have a big cult following. Oh yet oughta people commented about them in my video. Yeah krebs awesome. And i'm kind of as you're talking. I'm sort of scrubbing through the your video history of electronic drums episode one and I'm i'm looking at that point now in the box that the drummer for craft work is playing. It's not pretty to say it kind of looks. Duct taped together. I mean obviously it's put together and it's working but and the drumsticks quote unquote that are have the leash which is a good way don't they. They look metal but they're thin. Oh yeah it's almost like It's almost like they're drumming with stylists drawing. Yeah it's really weird. And then finally i got a mention ban called devo of because they're based in ohio. I didn't know about them. But i i. I left him out of episode one and someone commented. My video was yelling at me like justin. Aren't you from ohio. Like divas from ohio. Why didn't you mention them. And so i looked them up. And i had to abdomen episode to jim. Mothers ball was a drummer for a brief time. And devaux and his brother is explaining this and he doesn't have a firm date he's thinking. Like seventy two or seventy three. He took like these guitar. Pickups and glued them to the head of the drums and then ran that recent guitar pedals and made some really crazy progressive. Sounds with this again. It looks like it could probably. It would probably be able to be broken really quickly. It's it was experimental and people liked exciting. New sounds especially when they were just used to only hearing. Acoustic instruments is kind of spice things up for a little bit. Yeah god i mean. Mark mothers bow. His his brother is jeremy. Depot is great. Where do you live in ohio So i i live. I live around the canton area. Okay man i live in cincinnati. We're nice we're not very far. I think i mean. I kind of forgot i think a couple of hours away but really not that bad. Now people i talk to live in another country or states and states away or they live in california. Everyone seems to live in california worker. Some reason no. We're ohio or ohio boys. We can afford to live here exactly the head of the companies of yeah this so these companies. It wasn't like you could go this. Water dot com. And just the so just because these companies existed these bands. That i just mentioned didn't necessarily have access to them so that's why they were making her own stuff. Maybe but around seventy three. That was the first commercial electronic drum. May it was the impact percussion synthesizer it was like. This is like a pad with knobs going all around the pad in a circle and you could basically take the synthesizer in shape a tone that you wanted to use And it was like it was a really a. I wouldn't say crude but it was very very simple and created very very arcade video game type. Sounds i mean you talk about that more in a second. Then we had star instruments making multi pads so we had a synthesizer lino old synthesizers where there was a board with knobs. You know just covering it right in front of you and instead of keys were handled go. There were just long pats. A you could trigger by hitting with sticks so they made like a snare percussion synthesizer the snare to later the snare three which was their most popular pad which was kind of like the impact. Polar industries also was around that time as well on another company that have dimension obviously music aid they would eventually become simmons in the nineteen eighties But this is like an early iteration of the company simmons. A lot of people. Don't realize this. But simmons they kept going out of business and then recreating themselves with like a a similar name and over and over and over again of the eighties were very volatile. Time but a lot of people made some money in the seventies though this is again not full drum sets at all. This is important to mention these were just individual pads or multiplied. They're all very synthesizer based so music made. Sds one three and four and these were usually like very small. Like i don't know eight or ten inch pads and they like acoustic heads on on. That may be had some dampening and they weren't using the modern triggers either So they were very rough but they're very much collector's items. Now they go for a lot on ebay. And i'm not. I feel like you would know way better than me but it seemed like in some of your in your video they would. You would talk about One of those examples or a few of them would be like like I know there's one where they took the The shell of like a premier drum and then would just add electrtonics on the inside or one of them was the body of a tambourine. Yes shorter so it's really innovative. Well if you think about it. These aren't massive global companies. This is some guy in a tiny little in a tiny little shop. Maybe as a couple of assistants helping him but it's they don't necessarily want to go through the trouble of trying to get the machinery to create entire drum pads they're modifying pre existing stuff the like even moberg. They made an electronic drum pad which wasn't acoustic drum of some kind that plugged into a synthesizer pearl pie. And even tomah has himself in the very late seventies as well. Something really important to mention that seventies drums seventies electric drums and eighties electric drums. Sound miles different from each other. They are not in the same universe as far as overall sound palette because the synthesizers in the seventies these electronic drums were sense just for drummers they were very limited. they didn't have a very wide palette and they were kind of interesting and fun to play around with. But eventually you got kind of kinda of tired of the sound because know. When something's that crazy it's fun to mess around with but you can't necessarily use it musically over and over and over again and every single album that you put out. So there was initial spike of interest in the port industries and star instruments stuff and then like interest kind of You know tapered off at the end of the seventy s so just to expand on that a little bit so for example. It wouldn't be you know your pads in front of you are a snare with reverb a kick a base. You know a big giant base drop it would be more like like Like sine waves that are that are modulated tones. yes it. It's definitely a tone in the eighties. Level stuff was tones to. It's really important to mention that the more things you combine to these simple tones the more drumline more eighties iconic sound that. You're gonna get so adjusting the gate. The the cable sound adding noise to the snare to give it like a bite. Click on the bend of the sound. You know the eighties do sound like shakes your soul. If you're listening through speakers that wasn't really a sound that everyone was achieving yet in the seventies and so the eighties were just more complex in their synthesizer design. Yeah that's neat to think of that like taking like Like a. I'm sure could start with white noise that you gate and then like you said have like a Shorter decay and then it's like it. Sorta sounds like snare like and they weren't even necessarily trying to emulate acoustic drums right now. Yeah they're trying to create a percussive sound kind of like an eight eight kick isn't supposed to sound like a kick. It's supposed to be because of like a kick. It's doing the same job but it's a separate thing. The best the best way to describe it sounds. I wish i could show you some of the year. But they're basically atari sounds if you've ever played asteroids yeah or any of those games you know the pew pew type sounds yeah. It's that very very rough. Arcadi type sound you would hear. That's basically what it was. There weren't many companies. Either i listed off most of them. There was probably a few dimension. But like you know a dozen companies maybe in the seventies. There were some bands that we're using it but it wouldn't really gain in popularity really big popularity until the nineteen eighties. When let's be honest. I mean like you said it gained popularity. It became like the sound of the eighties. Almost was a fad one hundred percent. Yeah because it was new and let's be honest today. We'll hear new sounds but it's not like new compared to going from sixties music to eighties music. That's a humongous changes. Jarring almost yeah. It is very very very very different so As technology has gotten better things than our. It's sort of working. It's way more and more into the popular music famous songs. Bring this into pop culture. So that's the cars and stuff in the senate tons and tons of electric drums. it probably played itself out. You know what i mean. Yeah yeah like. I said there was an initial spike. Kind of like if you go to guitar center and you play an electronic drums said that was made today. Because i watch people play these drums and what they're interested in. I see them switched to the back of the module kit number fifty where it has all the weird sounds. No trash can lids and you electron sounds and they're so interested in it because they've never been able to get that sound out of an acoustic drums set and it's fun but what you notice when you actually buy the electronic drums set and take it home is that you're only going to be able to mess around with that for another week. You eventually end up going more ambulation type sounds. Yeah but it's but it's again it's it sticks in your mind and it's an iconic type of sound that is used even today like the weekend still uses electronic sounds even in top charting hits now. Yeah exactly now where do so obviously don't let me get ahead of us are we. Were not at the point where there is a or maybe we are or maybe. That's where we are right now. A point where like octo pads were there is literally base from where it resembles the shape the build of a drum set. Have we arrived there yet. No that was. That was a product of the eighties. Got in the seventies. it was more like Adding these pads your acoustic drums. And that's a. That's a little riff that you'll see throughout history with a full acoustic drums set and switching back to just using a pad here and there on their acoustic set and then triggers. It just depends on the individual drummer but that wasn't even really a thing yet. That wouldn't happen till the eighties. Which is common now. You know little pad over here to throw some hand claps or something Oh yeah if you watch a super bowl show actually did a whole video on electronic drums. That i've seen in the super bowl. I go through. How just there so so common now because you need to achieve certain sounds for certain kinds of artists and people are used to hearing the album sound in a live show and if they don't hear the album sound they're a little weirded out and so you need to have that role in pad to the side yamaha pad to the side man sir. It's interesting to lets. You create the things that you've done in the studio that don't have any semblance of like reality like you you. It's kind of put it on. We'll figure it out later and then you load it up as a trigger and And boom so yeah cool. Carry on from there so jumping heading into the eighties. What i'm saying is that you know these seventies are electric. Drums had some cool things about them. But they had a couple of key problems to overcome. So the i would be like the overall sound design. They were limited. They need to get to a place where people will point to that sound and say i need that sound. You know what i mean. Otherwise drummers aren't going to pick it up and the next thing is branding. Branding sound stupid. But it's what builds a company like apple or accompanying simmons. You need to have something recognizable where people even someone on the street. That has play drums. They'll say that's an electronic drums set and If it's cool and it's recognizable that's like a win win for the company and then accuracy a lot of these early electron drums. You saw the video. Some of them look like they were going to fall apart and then other ones. They just weren't very sophisticated yet. They weren't necessarily accurate having isolation so that when things are moving around inside of the drum you get a good signal. Those those problems needed to be overcome in the eighties. And because you're hitting it you're literally hitting it yet. People complain when an electronic drum brakes. And i'm like you've been hitting it with a stick for five years like it was going to happen. Yeah that's true colo- the the guy that would fix all these problems would be a guy named dave simmons. He was the guy running music aid in In the seventies but it was when it was in the eighties when he became like a literal rockstar in the industry. And there wasn't even really an industry in the seventies like there was but there wasn't because it wasn't that many companies there so in the eighty s. The guy named dave simmons. He comes out with the drumstick called. Yes yes five. And then later the seo seven nine and the these drums were revolutionary because they were more accurate now which is kind of drum sensor it better isolation so the pads were built better. They had that hexagon look so now they had an iconic design and after every other company saw was working literally. Everyone ripped of simmons off. They literally made clone pads simmons drum sets and he was like threatening people's lawsuits and then finally the sound design. Dave simmons apparently he worked on the stf five for like two years working on Getting getting the sound right with the help of another drummer experimenting with the synthesizer settings and eventually they achieved the eighty s electronic drum. Sound that you hear in pop albums and that was that was really big. Because sound is everything. Yeah i mean that's the most important thing and let me ask for the. The hexagon shape is that is there any purpose to it accepted. It looks cool. Well time. I've seen dave simmons asked about this in an interview of some kind. You always says. I've been asked about this six times and the answer is all we had was a straight shot. But really yeah. That was his joke. Larry about it. 'cause he got it over and over again it really. He said that it was it was pure branding. They wanted something recognizable and that wasn't the initial shape. They had all kinds of weird shapes that he took to like. I think it was the nom event in nineteen eighty or something. He had like heart shaped pads. He had human head pads yet kinds of stuff. He did a lot of experimentation but it was that that hexagon old pad. That just made sense. It was also easier to mass produce. They would eventually make a plastic. That was clear. So they could paint the underside of it and make gradients and whatever kind of color that you wanted. Cool the acas. i mean. Let's be honest here. I mean part of it. Is this visual like bill. Broussard playing these drums in music videos and stuff like it. It looks cool like oh yeah bam part of it. He literally just sold all his stuff on ebay or something. Wow it went for a ton of money. He was unloading all kinds of very very recognizable. Drums that you saw music videos. You know the yellow and all that. Yeah so yeah he was. He was a big a big artists. That was really pushing it forward with earthworks in. Yes yeah but other. Other drummers were using electronic drums like stewart copeland rush genesis duran duran We had all these all these famous bands using electronic drums in some way shape or form. I'm in in the cool thing about it or the interesting thing about it. Was that one point bands. Were buying these not for the sound sometimes. Sometimes they're buying it just to show people that went to their concert. We're playing this kind of music. We're using an electronic drum set was like a branding thing to bands and other bands would use acoustic drums. Live but then in the studio that would overdub it with a rented simmons drums set that they got some from somewhere else because they needed that. Sound for vinyl. You know what i mean. Wow yeah it's interesting too because like electron drums. Which i'm sure is true. Then and now obviously if you use a trigger or whatever anything in the studio it is easier to record. It cuts right away. It's like e queued correctly right off the bat for the most part so you know for studio purposes. I'm sure it's easy. I don't know if maybe was really working. And i'm sure we'll talk about that. Oh yeah mid midi was a big thing that was about to happen in eighty s to and there are other companies. Can't just mentioned simmons. Even though they were like the goliath every time. You'd read at music magazine review of the clone kit or the pearl kit or kit or the claudia kit. A you would always see at the very end of the article. I guess it's it's pretty nice. I mean it's like a cheaper version of a simmons is a nice value for your money and you know every time someone does that. It's because they're mentioning. The other company is standard. And even today. When i when i'm a reviewing a drum set i would mention how it's like a cheaper version of a rolling drum set. I kind of that sort of thing. Yeah simmons just had a monopoly at the time as far as far as being recognizable because when you when you turn on tv and you literally see a simmons drum set on tv you know. That's that really goes a long way for sales. But dina cord was also really big company. They just make speakers now but they made some stuff they were actually Messing around with samples one of the one of the early companies to do that. The problem with samples though in the eighties was that they were really short. Memory was at a premium so a symbol wouldn't really ring out all the way. It was a one shot sample so when you hit the the matter how hard you hit you hear the same recording just volume adjusted up or down. Depending on how hard you were hitting. But it was a really good initial step and also simmons was also messing with samples. Combining that so you were getting dual that was synthesizer based in also sample based at the same time and up. Yeah interest is a probably good time dimension like a couple of the key things sort of tied together eighty s era electronic drums. The first thing to mention is that early eighties electrons and late eighties electronic drums. We're kinda different from each other like this decade like companies were scrambling to outdo each other. So like the innovation pace was really really quick. And that's one thing people liked because every every year they were scared it was like buying a new iphone. Like thinking to yourself. What about what about next year. They're going to have something that's ten times better and gonna wish i didn't buy my my iphone. Yeah a and that was literally a thing the electronic drum world for a while because the speed of innovation was really quick. Another really big thing was that actual drum sets emerged like you were mentioning in the seventy s People eventually thought of that and had the kick drum the floor. Toms and the snare and the use of acoustic cymbals with these a lot of times believe it or not that was actually a really popular thing because symbols are really hard to emulate. You know they just have a flex to them. You know what i mean. You feel different. When you're hitting an acoustic symbol and companies have spent untold amounts of money trying to get to that point but even today. We're still not quite at that point in my opinion so they re using acoustic cymbals a lot. Yeah it again. Bill broussard who i think of and i'm looking at An album cover or an ad. Or i think it's an album cover on on your video and it's like. Yeah he's got a he's got octa bonds. He's got row tom. He's got an acoustic snare. He's got a looks like an acoustic bass drum and a Simmons uh-huh kind of pad and then he's got like a gong bass drum and clash and no. I don't know at one point. I was trying to calculate the cost of just the electric components of some of his sets at the at the end of the eighties. He was playing with the set. If you adjusted to today's dollars would be like thirty grand just electrics and then acoustic drums on top of that. You know Companies are mailing that in for free. So yeah Yeah he had. He had literally everything at his fingertips. God and you have to have a good. pa system. because if you're at home and you're playing with like you know a rolling bass drum and you know a real snare you need to. Have you need to be able to level things out and get the electronics the volume to have this symbol makes sense. So then you got you know and you also have to worry about. I don't know how how we would really do with like getting or something you have to worry about. Hearing drumhead noise through the lakes that type of thing like using electronic and acoustic drums together does get slightly complicated especially when these early paths. You're probably mentioned this. They were like Hitting a formica. Countertop they were incredibly hard. I've got a set of these setup in my basin right now because i'm about to record Using some drum plug ins that emulate these early eighties drum brains but they were incredibly hard and people were getting you real almost injured if they play these hard and long enough. The playing service in the eighties was really the one thing that was going against them. Especially in that would be fixed in the nineties but the service was really really hard and also fairly loud at the same time man. it's just There's so many things were even today. You play some cheaper kit and you just play it and you're like i don't like like I always say that if whatever someone has that makes play the drums. If you're out there and you have non meshhed's than i'm not talking about you. I'm just talking in general but like if you play. Kit doesn't really have meshhed's is just got the pads it doesn't to me. It doesn't quite feel right obviously. It's less expensive so more people can get them but they're still Just it it's you gotta pay a lot to get a electronic kit. That feels right. Which i think is still. I'm sure it was true. Then it's definitely true now. Prices are going down now. It's finally becoming thing is being held back because a patent reasons will which will get into later on but it was definitely. The playing surface was horrible. I was. I was talking to the drum tech. Four up Who was it. It was the drum tech. For rick allan and he was talking about how much how much those pads hurt. And he was the guy that was setting them up and again. They chose that service on purpose because of articulation. If you've ever tried to like do rudiments on kitchen countertop or a piece of wood like the rebound in the articulation was great. You know really long term that that force going right up to your elbow. You know what i mean. It hurts over time and also midi a you're mentioning media which is a good thing because that was invented in the very early eighties. It came in a bunch of different steps. Like wasn't all of a sudden invented one in one day but it became more and more popular and drums or buying it and choosing certain drums. That's over others. that didn't have many. And that allowed people to do like bill broussard. He was the king of midi. Like some of the routing. He was doing and be able to play chords like musical chords on his electric drums because he was tying together multiple modules and a keyboard altogether. Like the stuff that you can do with. Midi is really really impressive even back in the nineteen eighties when it was still brand new. Yeah and so people you know if you're you know if you don't know that's is musical instrument digital interface And like you said the stuff you can do with. It is insane. I've talked to some older audio engineers. Were they'll use midi to connect things and do things that i would never think of. Oh yeah simmons even had something. I think it was called the tm where it was literally just like an elaborate routing device where it was just a box where you could combine different things and send messages this away in that. The best way sounds really complicated. The best way. I've figured out how to explain it. Is that midi is a description of how you're hitting a drum how hard and what part of the drum. It's just it's just saying. Justin hit the snare rim at fifty two out of one hundred twenty seven level of of velocity loss. Explaining how you're playing so that when that mideast signal goes your computer today i can change the sound and will play the exact volume of these kind of sound that i need and i can change it. I can even drag it. So i can tell the computer now. Hey he actually hit. It's at one hundred twenty seven out of one hundred and twenty seven level blasi. You can do all that crazy stuff because is that powerful and you know drum related. Everyone's you know programmed in us a little pencil and drawn midi stuff One media experience. I had which was totally unrelated as two drums. But i had to do music. They didn't have money. But i was doing A recorded i've required a fair amount of audio tours for museums like a voice over and they needed music and one thing they wanted was like classical piano music which is great because a lot of. It's not you know it's past. It's it's like common creative commons it's passed. It's you know it's it's three hundred years old or whatever but what i would do is download media files that were like you know free. Piano dot com or something loaded in choosing a natural sounding You know eight key piano grand piano make you know put a little reverb and then meaty made this possible so i didn't have to hire a pianist. It's obviously very low in the background of an you know a museum walking tour but Hey committed there's something to be said for something that doesn't have music rights anymore. You know what i mean. you can't get sued. you can't get a copyright strike know exactly So into the cool thing is that now drum modules you can play back committee track as your soundcheck so you can tell your drum brain to play drumbeat loop gone over and over again and you can walk out to the front of the house and just listen like do that kick drum sounds horrible out here through the system you go back to mess around with it. Walk back out forward so this is so powerful. You were mentioning a river. This is another interesting thing you know. Just because you had module doesn't mean you had access to river a lot of times you'd have to go buy a reverb unit giant slab of metal. That just just created reverb. You'd run your drum module through that. And today i take that for granted. Just a click with my mouse. I can add that in my dau- or inside my brain but back in the eighties sound had a lot of reverb A lot of a lot of stuff. It wasn't just the drum brain. Sometimes that will create that thunder sound. Yeah we take everything for granted. Now i mean. I shouldn't say we meaning everyone. Who's listening to this out there. But i certainly do where i'm like. I in the nineties. I have too. Yeah we're spoiled little brats. You know not kidding we kind of are we don't know yeah no All right so eighties are big one thing and i may be getting ahead here again in the nineties or i just i remember seeing a In your video like an ad and it was for de drum with one of the brands. Obviously i didn't really know. Maybe i'm just idiot. But i didn't know daydream. Was that old. Yeah i even forget up for for the history show i made. I made it really detailed in four hours long. So for this. this This podcast. I went back and was like watching video taken notes and trying to condense the more important stuff and i was like. Wow i forgot even though i made the video i forgot. The d. drum was actually a contender in the nineteen eighties. They wouldn't really rise to be like one of the big names until the nineties but they were definitely a thing and there were owned by claudia and then later claudia. Sold them off to armadillo enterprises. I think in the early two thousands interesting. Well there's like you said in your video there's an unbelievable amount of detail of like every basically you know electronic drum kit and everything that existed. But we're kind of going high level here but there's a lot of brands. There's a lot of. It's like allergy. Yeah it's it's almost like the dinosaurs like you know or any kind of species like evolution like one or two survive and everyone else is off. It's really sad but it's just it's what happens over and over again. There's a bunch of companies that pop up in the seventies most of them off a bunch of companies pop up in the eighties. A bunch of them die and it goes every decade. there's a whole new crop of companies and the interesting thing. Is that in the eighties. There were a lot of companies trying to piggyback off of simmons success. So they're literally creating stuff. That was kind of kind of like a clone of simmons drums and especially we saw this like in south america. Some companies down there. No one could afford sms drum set in south america. You gotta ship it all the way over there. So they made their own stuff. I actually got to talk to one of the guys that had a a simmons clothing company back then and then in the soviet union in the nineteen eighties and in the nineteen nineties they will literally borrow synthesizers from bands that were traveling through from whatever from the uk uk people would tour the soviet union playing concerts and scientists. Are you know people would take synthesizers. See how they worked. Give them back to the band. And then just create a rip off and It was state controlled so the government was making electronic drums back then and i got lucky enough to purchase a couple of them recently. How are they. I mean it sounds anything soviet and like that'll is just cool. One thing i can tell you is that there's an unnecessary amount of metal knows like i feel like i could accidentally kill somebody if i through. This is somebody i mean. It's it's just cool how there's certain countries doing stuff that we don't even really realize because we're we're stuck in just the europe and the united states or those are the only parts of the world that exists but there were some other electronic drum innovation stuff going on outside of that as well. Cool all right so Is that basically. You know the eighties. Do we move forward from there. Yeah just a couple of bands dimension that were popular in the eighties using electronics. Gotta mention the l. pair of rush Phil collins of genesis. Duran duran police bill. Broussard obviously Those are some of the people that were really using electronic drums. Bring it to the forefront. The one thing. I have to mention about eighty that ties into the nineties. Is that for some reason. Or other navies around eighty seven or maybe eight for some reason. The electronic drum industry started to fall apart sales. Go down something was happening. I'm not exactly sure because people don't really write about it that much. But a lot of companies all of a sudden stopped making electronic drums companies were exiting the industry all over the place for example like Cord they make speaker systems for stadiums. Now they don't make electronic drums anymore So for some reason sales went down and it was a bad time to be an electronic drum company in especially hit simmons. By surprise he was making these electron jobs. They were getting more and more expensive as as on because he was hitting success after success he was in the lab creating more and more elaborate electric drums and he eventually created a drum call the sgx and he made it just as the industry was going into a decline in this sgx if you convert it to today's dollars because it was so powerful and because electronic drum or computer stuff is so expensive back then it would cost you or me twenty two thousand dollars today something like that. Yeah so bill. Roofer was the only guy that could afford it essentially. Yeah so that's happening in kind of hurt the company i think the i think they only sold like a hundred or two of them and company lost about a million pounds In currency so that brings us to the nineties so the the industries and a slump basically as the nineties began and then grunge shots of like music changed and obviously you had the hair metal bands which weren't as electron ick electronically. i guess obviously def leppard. Which is its own whole entire topic with them but yeah music just changing then yet nirvana and all that stuff which really wasn't electronic device so basically what happened was the electronic drum fad was over and then you had the company's actually cared about making electronic drums that actually stuck around if that makes any sense. Yeah the the big three companies were already around in the eighties. But they were kind of like background players. The kind of existed but simmons was like this goliath that was just stopping the competition. But then simmons goes into down a decline in the nineties and at the same time roland yamaha. Indeed drum are going up in as far as sales and as far as popularity goes so role was making electronic drums like the alpha system and stuff like that. They had a system but in the in the nineties we saw the td seven and the td five at the beginning and this is the beginning at least in my mind of the classic rubber pad electronic drum. Set that a lotta people make fun of today back then in the nineties it was actually like a brand new thing a small compact electronic drum set. You wouldn't go broke buying basically it was like a mid range type of deal and that was that was actually a brand new thing you know it and i think that's a perfect point to like in your video. You mentioned at one point. You said someone created one of these pads because he wanted his son to be able to practice. Yeah at a quieter level. I think so far. We've you've done an amazing job but we've we've been talking about like bill like again the king of all show i think bill bradford people were using these to practice at home because they lived in an apartment or something obviously not a twenty thousand dollar module but and that's really the the the heart of a lot of this is to play quietly. Yeah that i feel like that transition happened somewhere. In the ninety s because electric drum companies suddenly realized. Oh we need. We need to have something we need to have a selling point we need. We need to create our own thing. We're not fat anymore. No people don't necessarily need the thunderous eighties drum sound anymore. So we need to. We need to find a new niche if that makes any sense and so these companies especially the ones in japan. You know like know roland. They're they're specializing in these smaller electronic drums and they've only been kicked dragged kicking and screaming into larger electronic drums as the decades. Go on but Yeah that was the beginning of the smaller practice base stuff and another thing to mention. Is that some of these eighties era electronic drums. They didn't necessarily have like realistic. Hi hat open and closed. They didn't have three zone ride symbols and stuff like that that you take for granted now so that was something that we're working on in the eighties because they're trying to make something that was more emulating acoustic drums with an uncanny valley. Though is kind of like early. Cgi you know where it's like. Yeah i know what you're going for but it's still this weird feeling and that's kind of what i think when i hear a td. Five or seven t ten. I know that these are relations of acoustic drums. But they're not quite there yet de drum. Meanwhile was going with samples. Roland was basically using some technology. They taking from their guitar pedals and they brought over to the drums stuff to sort of emulate shell and drumhead changes with a td. Ten d drum was hardcore. Were taken samples of kucic drums. And we're putting them in the drum module and if you want more by ten floppy disks and we'll give you more so that's and they were like they were like holding onto the high end of industry in the nineteen ninety s. As far as i can tell ya still today. I mean v drums or like i mean as you know obviously but they're like the i mean i'm sure there's other brands that have extremely high end ones. But i i feel like they're the most like professional like i remember drummed as which was in columbus ohio. Got on if you ever went to it Omar hakeem did a v drum presentation And i remember he had the james bond theme and had everything triggered and was like playing the arts. And yeah remember. There's an old youtube video. If you want to look that up at some point you'll yeah. So some of the big drum sets from the other companies would be like the drum three d. jim. At and then yamaha sort of came out with some stuff to compete with roland style. You know smaller rubber pad base stuff with their. Dt line drums and then. Meanwhile simmons unfortunately is sort of dying off. The dave sims is making electronic drums retrofitted barn and his backyard in the company's unfortunately going into a decline he would eventually resurface in the two thousands with a deal with guitar center. There was a whole drama behind that but he kind of like exits the industry and its role on degrom and yamaha. And what i really need to mention is that at the end of the nineties. The invention of the mesh head comes out. And that's a collaboration. Between de drum and remo and this is really really important. It happens around nineteen ninety-seven twenty year patent. So that gives the may twenty year runway until twenty seventeen or they own mesh head drum sets. No one else can really make a two ply mess drum said except for rolling in that gave them a huge leap forward over other companies. Now i personally think that a mess head is kind of inevitable someone who was eventually going to invent it. It reminds me a lot of like a zillion l. Eighty zillion may the l. eighties. And the jet sixteen. Everyone all of a sudden copied it. But if you really think to yourself you know someone eventually was going to drill a lot of holes. New assembled to make it quieter. It was just going to happen someday. Yeah and i think that same thing as with the role of mesh head. They got inspired. I think because someone went to a store and saw trampoline alec. What waves wait a second. If you had to trampling with a drumstick. Ill rebound like an acoustic drum. You can make. It is thin or as thick of material that you want and you can really do whatever you want with it and really tailor its tune. It's so that's where they got the idea. As far as i can tell that. So there's a lot of things that i've come across in these episodes that are your this. Got like the history of the hi hat or something like yeah. He might have done it or he might have done it. But simultaneously it was happening in england and in turkey and in like it was just inevitable that someone was going to do it and then i agree but so you so does that mean that the only mesh heads you would have seen up until two thousand seventeen would have been on roland. I mean i feel like that's so it's complicated. So you need to get a patent every single country but you won that ten unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you wanna look at it. You can't get a european patent. You need to get a pat for meshhed's and in the uk and germany and france. This might understanding of it. I'm not a lawyer rolling. Essentially you couldn't make a to climate head in the united states or japan and if you're a big company like yamaha you don't wanna make five versions of your drum just to comply with patents in this country in that country needs to make one drum set. Simplify everything and to do that. You have to go with the lowest common denominator so they with rubber pads. Because that's what yamaha had work with until they developed their own proprietary silcon pad design some companies in united states. If we jump ahead into the two thousand would be pin tech and heart dynamics they would either payroll into licensing fee so now rowlands legal parliament was now a a monetary revenue source for the company companies. Were paying them for the right to make mesh head drum sets or they were skirting issue by only using one ply meshhed's and not installing them on the drums. There's there's a whole legal you know thing going on. And meanwhile if you're over in europe the patent really doesn't apply to you as far as i can tell and so they were just making a mess trump sets. Yeah so i had european viewers like. Hey justin what about this. All messed drum set from a company called millennium. They've been making it since two thousand ten or something. And i'm like i don't live over there so i can't tell you and also have different laws so it's very very complicated but another thing. They gave roland big advantage. Was they just had a really good marketing team. Believe it or not. They're making these vhs tapes showing off their drums and they were incredible. Got me hooked on electronic drums. I saw a vhs tape in two thousand four and it got me hooked on on drums later other electronic drums as well. I've watched some of them on your channel. They're they're pretty. You know two thousand four two thousand to two thousand fourteen thousand five. It doesn't seem that long ago. But you want in your head and he has and you go man. That looks old. Yeah yeah you can tell. It was shot either on tape or on film. Yeah and and then people will find a tape and then digitize it and put it on youtube but yeah but yet not only. Did they have a good marketing team. They spent a lot of money. Getting big drummers play their stuff and also getting just just good. Vhs tapes and good advertisement photos also had a lot of talented people. The people that worked at roland in early two thousands would inevitably go onto work for atv for for yamaha like they had all these talented people really not that many people that are really talented in this industry. Not trying to make fun of anybody but it's a small industry. There's only so many people that work in it and rolling had so many talented people are really good team of people and they would inevitably move onto other companies takeover departments or whatever and other places. Yeah and you know. I'm interested to now because you mentioned a lisa so it was telling you before we started recording. But i'll repeat it. That i picked up a Let me look at a dam. Ten mark to when elisa's electronic kit I traded a focus right claire at eight pre interface. It which i think is a pretty even trade. I think they might have actually done a little better Because i'm pretty sure that. I don't think they make this exact. Lisa's anymore you you you're the guy to ask but i think it was like you know thousand dollars or so I think i think that trump said is still being made if it's if it is the mark to yeah and it's it's still being made. I think it's selling for like thirteen hundred bucks or something like that. Okay i bought my this frog eight so it just depends on which one you have and how beat up. We're not beat up that it is. This was the guy he bought it for a drummer. The the guy. He bought it for his drummer and his band. The guy he said the guy can't even hold a be sucked. And i was like all right like i don't know you've got an angry deal. I got an angry deal but he was super nice but then i gave him the interface. He couldn't get the thunderbolt to work on his computer. So he had to buy a mac and i was trying to help him find converters. So is turning into one of those kinds of trades. Where you're like okay as one of a problem yet. Can we stopped communicating. Now like the deal is over. But anyway i bought it. I traded for it. I love it. I've been recovering from a torn achilles tendon. And it's just. I kinda got it. Because i was like this is a good to like i can. I can play a little late at night again having a baby and And just start to get back into it But i love the thing. This is the first of electronic kit. I have personally owned myself. And i am just loving it I've not messed with it too much. Beyond the internal sounds and just plain to cool jazz to and you play along. And it's like yo- yeah on. It's the flexibility. Because you can you can create a jazzy type kit and then the next second you can like an arena type kit with the right plug in on your computer or whatever. Yeah absolutely i gotta look it up to the computer But anyway for the sake of time now. Where do we go from there. How do we get up to modern day. What's going on now. And maybe what's going on in the future okay. So the ninety s. The industry pretty much recovered by the end of the nineties. As far as i can tell going into the two thousand. And when i look at the two thousand sometimes like the two thousand and the two thousand ten kind of blend together in my head. Because that's when i started paying attention the electronic from industry but the way i break it down is that in the two thousands. You had roland yamaha. They were the big names. they still are today And what they were doing was that they were taking all these little innovations that other companies had already thought up in the nineties and the eighties. Like literally nothing is new under the sun. Like everyone's already thought of everything. The problem was no single company. Had all those innovations one flagship drums set yet. You know what. I mean like the circular symbols. Some company over here thought of it that this company over here had the mesh ads. This company over here had the high quality samples. You know that type deal. So in the two thousands role on a yamaha to box or whatever these these types of companies they were creating drums that were really tying together all these loose ends. And making something that you could use professionally. You could use a quiet quietly and they were truly starting to get better. It seems like a lot of those problems are gone of the eighties. It's like the symbol. That has absolutely no re- like yeah one recording of one hit being played at different volumes over and over again and there's no multi-day knew there was no round robin multi level samples type thing going on owner. Another thing was that chinese companies really jumped in to the electronic market in the two thousands. And i know a lot of people make fun of these these cheaper electronic drums. But the fact of the matter is if you are if you're teenager and you wanna play a drum set if your parents don't let you play acoustic set because it's too loud for your apartment and all you have is five hundred bucks until the two thousands. It was almost impossible to get a cheap electronic drum set. They were so freaking expensive. Even the mid range ones were really really expensive and people think electronic terms with cheap now. But i mean you can actually buy a full mess drum set for three hundred dollars now. That was not a thing until you know the two thousand and the two thousand tents and usb midi with being built in sinai didn't even need interface. If you wanted to plug a straight into your computer another thing we take for granted. I mean really is just the elisa's or whatever and but on the other end of that there are also you know you look on. I'm sure you have demos of all of them. You look on You know sweetwater or whatever and you're like you know it's kind of fun to go sort by price and you can spend ten thousand dollars on one of the like i mean it's absolutely. Yeah and they have a real bass. Drums almost look looks. Like i feel like that's where it is now. Yes that began in the two thousands having full-sized electric drums began actually in the nineties. But they weren't really popular others one company like the space muffins drum sets but in the two thousands. That's when you started to see companies like drum. Germany joe becky and field. These companies starting making larger electronic drums. That were acoustic shells with electronics. In them you saw companies selling triggers. So he didn't want to spend five thousand dollars buying one. You could just do it yourself. Diy so there were companies selling the mesh ads and sensors. And you could do it yourself and then if you move ahead into twenty tens this is one prices for decent trump. Started going down like the process began on the twenty tonnes may earn two thousands. Maybe but by the end of the two thousand ten you get a decently large electronic drums set a good drum plug ins going on and you could really cobble something together for less money than it used to be. I know people that grew up in this age of electronic drums. Don't see it that way but at electric are really getting cheaper and better at the same time. It wasn't revolutionary change like at certain points in the eighties where things were just moving. Really really quick. It's been a slow progression with keeping cheaper. Keep getting better and Yeah we're getting to where we are today. Yeah which i mean things are. It's it happens in a lot of these You know history episodes resorted hit today and it's like well what could change you know. It's it's really very you know. It seems like it's at a at a at an apex of like okay. It's pretty cheap. There's really nice ones like where. Where are we going from here. That's a really good question. And i've learned that it's almost impossible to predict the future. Yeah we're in the same situation. That cell phones are in right now. Actually i really see a parallel there. You remember cell phones in two thousand seven. It seemed like every single year. Something was incredibly incredibly awesome happening. Some some really big change happening in cellphones. But now it's like the iphone. Twelve and the iphone thirteen. Whatever they're almost the same slightly better electronic drums are starting to get towards that. But i'm going. I'm going to guess that we're gonna see larger electronic drums that look like for the feel being somebody to acoustic drums. You want to be able to jump back and forth between acoustic and electronic and not feel like you're stepping into an alien planet and it really helps you because if you're practicing twenty four seven on an electric then you played a real gig on an acoustic. You don't wanna be caught off guard and that's what used to happen all the time. My first drum teacher literally didn't feel comfortable playing an acoustic drums set because he only played electronic. And i feel like that wouldn't really happened in the same way today because electric drums are just so more advanced than they used to be in the nineteen nineties nice progression on. I feel like we're seeing more draw modules that have drawn plug ins built into them. So you'll literally draw module that has a a basically a tablet in front of it and then has a plug in like steve's drums or tune track and you'll see inputs on the back of it. That's that'll happen more and more instead of being two thousand dollars eventually. I think he'll get a lot cheaper. So that's what i think is going to happen. It's going to be a slow progression of cheaper drums that are just better and the cheesy electronic sounds that will fade born more into memory. Yeah and i mean obviously the the quest for perfect accuracy even find an albeit. I bought it from this guy that he had an pile in his basement on. This elisa's kip it. I hit the hi hat sometimes. And i realize it's like it's like the millisecond from when i hit it and then the next time it's on and like there's just i feel that that perfect accuracy and just like you know your hands you still have to pay for that unfortunately exactly like a high end brand like roland. Yeah man this is. Just i just can't this is so cool. I appreciate how prepared you are and obviously you having done that video That i will share in the show notes. Kind of set this up for you to to have your outline and everything but Man this is just such an awesome episode. I'm beyond honored to have you here. And real quick do wanna mention. I did find in my notes that i believe a gentleman named terry. Que did recommend on electronic drums road. also history of home recording. Which he that'll be a fun one to do Later yeah thank you terry So yeah and if you like this just gonna. He's gonna take a couple of extra minutes after he record this. We're going to do a quick patriotic bonus episode where i'm thinking. It'd be cool if i asked you about Maybe some recommendations on what you would tell people to buy at a couple. Different price ranges If someone's looking to get into it and you can say don't buy this. Don't waste your money on that by this. Pay the extra couple hundred bucks to. Maybe we can talk about that in the Patriotic bonus episode Which if you want to hear that and a bunch of other ones that i've been doing every week you can go to drum history podcast dot com and there's a patriot button so Yeah justin man. I appreciate you taking the time to be here and And do this episode and share your immense knowledge Again it's sixty five drums on Youtube justin his a youtube star. I wouldn't go that far but thank you so much for having me on. I appreciate it if you like this. Podcast find me on social media at drum history and please share rate and leave a review and let me know topics that you would like to learn about the future until next time. Keep on learning.

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Setting the Mood for Success

Yeah, She's Driven

20:26 min | 1 year ago

Setting the Mood for Success

"Other than read my scripture. I have a food regimen and the food regiment has everything to do not only just being in the best shape of my life but also just making sure that regulate my moods so that because i know my moods are connected to my successor. Hey welcome to my podcast. Yeah she's driven. Which is really the number one podcast for entrepreneurs who are really wanting to like consume great content on the go on a run. Go out for a run while watching listening or watching this podcast really listening to buy gas for people who are in corporate and have a career and they're like they've always thought that they have a calling for being an entrepreneur but really don't really know how to put all the pieces together or what they should sell so welcome so this episode that going to give to right now comes from. My coffee was chande that i currently do monday through fridays on my heart co business facebook page so you can always watch it live on a business. Facebook page. Go live like monday through friday. Please come subscribe to that page and be with me live in the morning at seven. Am but until then you can watch a rerun one of our more popular reruns and i hope that you enjoy it. Hey good morning good morning. I'm on flexibly coming to the end of flex week And i wanted to. Just pop in your. I'm about to pumpkin. Patch with my son. And i noticed that i woke up this morning super happy but it was like really quick that i got in a rush to get my son going and i quickly course corrected myself because the thing that i've realized that my day always always young unfolds based on my attitude my mood and i know you probably already know this but what does your morning routine look like. What does i do mine right now. I'm talking to you. What does Your morning mood look like there was one quarter pilot two years ago did this with our clients where there was one quarter that i literally had our clients track their moods and i said i said i could tell you what your income looks like in your business based on what your actual moods look like. Everybody thought it was crazy. They were like your right. Like i work hard. They do this. If i just put in the energy that you know my business will come together. And that's just not the truth. I'll give you example There are a bunch of my clients that we have grown from really either startup or a hundred or one hundred fifty thousand dollar a year income earners to you know the seven figures and you know an and then some and this pod this group. That's about the brand new millionaires Or just before millionare's they. They are now working with agencies meaning that they work with me as their coach in the night. Tell them to work with these agencies to help build out different parts of their business and what. I'm realising is they're all having a different experience and it's based so much on their moods. Another way of saying that is that is a level. it's a level of leadership in fact on black friday. I'm not gonna tell you what my black friday offer is. But it's connected with these calendars that i've preset based on leadership level. One two or three. So that's gonna share about that. And one of the aspects of leadership has to actually do with your ability to joe. Allston says is have deep. Roots are not deep roots. Mean that somebody can cut you off your husband. Your wife can be a bad mood or do that thing that they do that throws you off and you just don't get thrown off when you have deep roots. It's like the wind can blow and you stay graceful. You stay or if you if you get triggered you're able to recalibrate really quickly that that's what it means to have deep roots and so i share this with you because it's not i mean i do. I do to people my life. That they don't get triggered all they barely get triggered They are both really really one of one of them is in a training all the time and always teaching leadership and he has this ability to recalibrate and really focus really quickly on what matters which is the relationship in hand and the other person is actually an evangelist pasture. That just takes himself on all the time so that he stays graceful and he's a walking testament of god and so they if you think about those two people their their vision of not getting triggered division of who they are their identity is so much bigger than any like situation that can throw them off. Most of us don't live that way. Most of us are short sighted on goals. Most of us are short sighted on the food we ate like. We won't even change our diet to be able to regulate our moods. Most of us are just kind of reacting to life. So i wanted to just jump on and do this live and just share. You know my morning routine and what i do and the first thing that the other than reading my scripture i have a food regiment and the food regiment has everything to do with not only just being in the best shape of my life but also just making sure that regulate my moods so that because i know my moods are connected to my success in life they just are so i do something I do something where. I i'm just going to to levin's today but typically i'll do anywhere from two to five lemons that i actually squeeze i put this product in it which is sulfur. Crystals s m. At reiki does my body and i don't know if you could see that but it ricky does by body a first thing in the morning and it also does a gut flush so i take this product with a minimum of two levins and people always ask him about this. This is why. I'm doing this because among flax someone i've had a whole week off to to hang out with my family which is cool and then take this file from my hair my skin in my nails and you know how little kids like my son. I cut his nails like every four days Because he has such great collagen and he's got such great he's so healthy and so by the way my son drinks. I'll show this with you in a second. So i take this file sub product of it. I think this bio so products every morning with the one teaspoon of this which i've worked up to you know which i used to take a quarter teaspoon it used to make me gag now. I don't even tasted the night for this is something one of our clients actually taught me have it stocking which i didn't know what i do is night before i don't do this. I have. I work so that i can employ people to do these things for me. That's the honest to god. True so i used to do it for myself. Where the night. Before i would put my teaspoon of whatever i was taking the morning i put it here on the counter. So it's already here on the counter waiting in the morning. But now i have somebody do that as part of her routine the night before she leaves her house she makes sure i have my little gut flush set up here in the morning. Now i do go ahead and cut my own lemons and i do go ahead and squeeze my lemons because i don't like it pre squeezed like everything squeezed in the morning. So it's right over this habit stacking. I don't leave anything to my willpower because my willpower is inconsistent based on my my moods and same with you your willpower. When people don't accept health in their life for when they say things like oh. I'm i'm a bad receiver. I might unit to stop declaring that over your life because especially if you're an entrepreneur and you wanna make a lot of money and you wanna make a difference in the world and and And help people in give some money away to help people and stand behind causes and have a voice that a lot of people here so that you could make a big difference in the world. You know if you want to be that person you've got to be a good receiver because you don't get there by yourself right. You don't get there by yourself. You actually have to get really good at letting people do things for you and paying them separating your money to pay that so i i view my so this is all set up so i don't have to go and do this in the morning and i've got it all set up and ready to go of vile so great here. I just take it done now remember. I'd be like before. I don't even have that trigger anyone and only share that with you because i know that there's people that are that are trying to work on their own morning routines andruzzi like two or five. Lemons would just freak them out until you once you start doing anything it becomes party normal your normal routine okay. So in addition this was not set up for last night. But typically it is. I also drink and ounce of humic minerals and fallback minerals and so the viruses. And things like that. That are going around This helps your body. Just really resilient to stuff like that and so it's incredibly good but any vitamins you tate. This enhances the vitamins and so if you're taking vitamins and supplements and you're not taking minerals with it. The the Humic milk minerals in folding minerals than your cut yourself. Sure on all those expensive vitamins. Another thing that he did. I get this my son but anybody can take it if the minerals are also here. This is culver store your gut flora. This is called timing. Love if you really obviously. I can't say it will protect you from corona virus but we do have health professionals say it will protect you from from viruses or can protect you from the coronavirus. This we give this to my son. who's water. It doesn't taste like anything and he could be around people that have like kids that have hand foot mouth disease or anything like that could be around them and guess what he doesn't catch it and so it's fascinating when you when you build your immune system up so you're not a host for various diseases things like that and that's what you try and do so. I am obsessive with this stuff. I was obsessive before krona virus came. And i'm really obsessive with making sure that my family is eating a lot of fermented food and things like that which my husband fights me on all the time so we also these are. They're still be called the gerson method which these are coffee animas and so i take one cup. Actually take two cups of coffee Every single day. I do at nighttime. I study my you know. I actually study sean bolts right now which is a how to have had understand like words of knowledge so like i asked lord something about you specifically i hear things great example that no kidding i was on a meeting with my team and my team knew i was studying words of knowledge and they said okay give a word of knowledge. It felt like i was on stage for the first time i said okay and i said okay laura. Tell me something about denise who is our our coo the company and said. Tell me something about denise. That would deepen her a that she would now and all of a sudden. I saw handcuffs. And i saw a walking cane and i was afraid to say something because i didn't know what that was and i didn't know if it was my imagination or it was god and i just said okay. Denise the lord is showing me handcuffs and a walking stick and she went white. And i said what and she said. She turned her computer and she said look at my window. She said last night there was some. There was a man walking down our driveway and my and my husband looked like saw them. They turned around ran away and we had my window. Didn't lock in her house. And she said we went and got a walking stick and we we jammed in the window so that the window wouldn't open and that we did that for security so walking stick handcuffs for security for police All that obviously came together and they had just done that in house. So i study my words of knowledge and i studied things like that while i'm doing my coffee animus every single night you go to amazon. Get a portable coffee enema. Thing and you can look online. You can find the gerson method because you can't use regular coffee that use actual coffee that is meant for is meant for animus. And so i do this every night except for when i'm doing. Iv up which i am doing again. We've got one little baby girl in the freezer right now. Which is really great. I'm very excited about this. People say why would you not just transfer it. Because i have a vision to have twins. That's why went down the Route in the first place so So i'm going to be. I just started state junior. Ivf cycle again And believe it or not at mastermind. This is a great example. Not pulling back trying to fit things into timing. I have masterminds during probably. We don't know what they were going to do. An egg retrieval. Whereas i go into surgery pull the eggs out and i've got masterminds all that week got marketing master and one percent club of pace mastermind. And so. I haven't figured out how to solve that. I have no fear inside me. That i can't solve it and that again is from living on my friend. Michael strategy talks about Eight seattle program living on the skinny branches of my life. I just have always been able to figure it out. So i'm not worried about figuring it out but not gonna stop my cycle and what my vision is. Because i've got a busy schedule. I'm going to figure it out. There's always a way there's always a way to the fifty ways to find the money for anything you want and there's always a way to figure out any any problem that you're facing when you start leading leading from that place then. Wow things change okay so we have got silo wine fridge that now's become a fermented foods so we for our own kabukicho and again. I don't do this. i know how to do it. I did it the first couple of times myself. And then now whoever manvier house actually does this and ferments are on food because in our own Drinks my son drinks this. We went and i find if i get lazy. And i don't give one of these to my son. He will catch a cold so The computers in the stores and things like that. I hate to tell you this. I don't care how great you think they are. They are not strong enough and the probiotics you need so many different styles of probiotics prebiotics to have your body just really working on the right on the right level and so so that you are resilient to getting sick versus you know being a situation where you don't want to be a host for anything you don't want your body to be a host for cancer you want your by the host for coronavirus y'all host for anything And unfortunately right now. I'm a host because i'm taking ivf. So i have compromised my system. And i know that right and so who knows how. I've compromised that for the future as well. So i did that with intention. I was like okay. I'm gonna take the risk. So we ferment. Our own food and we get these bottles of amazon. They're fermenting jars and we basically just evolution apple juice in here and then we all met with a lot of different types of fermat all. Actually show you. It's it's lot of cultures starter. This is this is for our food by this product. Called body ecology. We do a key. I started this is a culture starter for food. So we use this product and then we also use body ecology for a bio Powder blend and then we also we also add we. We add like four different styles of streams to our to our products This is a two hundred billion live culture which actually by the way means nothing. It's actually the forty straight and that means a lot so this is this is a another probiotic that we had into this see. Here's the key starter body ecology. Keep your starter. We put all of this stuff. Drake along lead out of it along with another route. My husband probably drinking along with another liquid started that we put in here and then we wrap it in a towel and we put it in our We put in our pantry for lake. Six seven days a long time and then it's got like a spout that when it's renting there's a spout. That's on the top with vinegar. So i know this isn't solving your your scenario but like all these things are being done for me so that i can take this. Give it to my son. I realized drinking glass straws. We drink a lot more. I'm and that's really just over team. That's what we do Inside of this house in. I take an army of supplements vitamins. I get my blood tested. a couple of times. Actually it's more than a couple times a year But this is all my side. See i know people. I remember when i started. I was like oh my god like three vitamins were just too many and i was so inconsistent endow literally. I take all of these supplements. And so many of them were connected with fertility because my fertility some you guys know i had some fertility issues and now my fertility showing Like my egg reserve. We turn believe it or not. We turned all of that around my equality egg reserve everything. We turned all around an amazon. Labs are showing about the age of a thirty thirty two year old. This is my son's side are not my. This is my husband's side and his side is all connected to is connected to a cardiovascular stuff because my husband used to be allergic to dogs and i know you technically are not able to do. That are not able to cure that. But that's bullshit you can and my husband is around our labra doodle. I'm all the time. And when he started he had to like it was like he had to take it. Healers and like russian hospital We just committed to returning his gut health to To proper balance and then my husband now plays. The dog hangs out with the dog and it was a long run. It was definitely long run but they god for that man that he never gave up and now even said the other day. Do wanna get another dog. I should so crazy. How his changed and he's not imperfect crazy about it he. It took him years to took him a year and a half to repair his gut health. Where me it took about. Sixty ninety days but i really regret with our doctors in nutritious. Rei guys that's it. 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Really Awful Movies: Ep 298  Mortuary

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Really Awful Movies: Ep 298 Mortuary

"Up of the news this evening is speculation concerning the real facts behind the Department of Health announcement about a radioactive spill. Supposed to have a cut yesterday at the state nuclear plant. You'll die only to live again in a young body. Then you could tell me if the operation was a success. You're listening to the really awful movies. Podcast celebration of Genre Cinema. Hi My name is Chris and along with Jeff. We talk about movies. That aren't really awful. At all Horror Action Kung Fu musicals post apocalyptic women in prison films and much much more before your funeral and you have coffin. Lid is closed before you dare eight and your flesh turns cold before you are covered with the last. Shoveling Food Jerks. Be Sure our day from our downtown headquarters is episode to Ninety Eight. Nineteen eighty. Three's although it started filming in. Nineteen ninety-one mortuary had to be sequence. This is amazing too. I just wanted to say because this film has a disco Roller Boogie. Secrets for the ages. Right plop there's tons of competition out there for that category as boogie nights. Whatever but he was plopped right in the middle of a horror movie and I was in maybe thinking. What genre of in perhaps comedy can you do that? Can You POB Roller Boogie? Seem like that with a guy in a silver Lemay Tuxedo John Travolta impression in the middle of the dance floor and any new costume drama. Imagine that women win horror horror genre as well we got the Louisa May alcott reference out of the way. It isn't necessarily the podcast it's just. It was inevitable that would come up. I can't believe a little women. Just my mind is blown. They ever seen little women to their ever. The lion come on Boogeyman. Let's Boogie down to this one. I thought it was really fun. Had like a shaggy dog feel to it. I would almost liken it even though there are dissimilar genres but to maybe spooky and maybe hell hosts or given night of the creeps has fun silly. You can't take it too seriously. Feel it's all over the map and we should say I guess how we came to this and of course through the poster which has a very three d. kind of dynamic feel with a hand reaching out from under the misleading poster and we talked about the file terror a few weeks ago they had a misleading poster. Adams Lane poster. Because when macy feel as if it's going to be a Zombie films if bodies we rising from the grave whereas there are bodies and they're going into the gregory method revolves around mortuary yet and like the title suggests. Yeah what should have been? The poster suggests that the cemetery although there is Christopher George so city of the living dead. This is not. This is his last role and kind of fetig one. It is but very funny. This one involves. I texted you. I said this is a little bit of Phantasm. Meets the seventh seal. Because there's this character skulking around in death kind of outfit and my in my opinion he looked more like the demon the exorcist and the flash. Mr Boogie kind of it was that. Oh man well with reference now six movies. I would say this film because I'm thinking my head. I'm like phantasm seven seal. I don't see it's fantastic. Me seven seal but not split nuts. And Insofar as there's a morgue attendant of what do you call it? A what do you call that mortician. So you got that. And he does cut a very seventh seal kind of death type figure although I could even. There's a little bit of Dr Fis and there there might be. I was thinking Geez. How many movies? 'cause they possibly reference and tap into this genre hopper all the way there's even Giancarlo elements with the Black Glove and some PPO V. Skulking around the bushes and this was red herrings. It really was not a who done it. In fact midway through the mother of the girl who stopped by the killer even says do you think he may be the killer so yellow Mensa aesthetically. Perhaps but not thematically and it's weird because the beginning of this film it's very sunny and it's poolside and with a movie called mortuary you're not expected to be in the sun kissed coast of California with the pool scene of all things that did not expect some Malibu Pool and some guy is very unconvincingly beaten with a baseball bat and and dumped into the pool to drown rats on the breath baseball. Those like what is going on with this because this is the plot point that propels so much of the narrative insofar as the daughter is trying to figure out what happened to her father as they meet his demise in this most pathetic way I was going to school that wasn't even worth Tower Solo death by umbrella death and he was tapped so gently. It was almost like a bunch of all bad. And so yeah you got this woman. Who's trying to figure out how she's involved like is this a who done it. What is going on? Is this a procedural? What does this man have to do with anything and then does a complete about face? I mean you have to characters skulking about in a mortuary and I I was. I had to watch this back three times to figure out what the hell they were doing there. And apparently the one guy's back wages were not coming through or something and he was trying to steal higher tire center where he would carry surplus tired. I have no idea see coffins. You've got the tires. Maybe for the hearse. I Dunno very bizarre. And he's trying to use this as a negotiating point with the employers. Not Paying him. I was a bit of a restitution. He said rescue back way to take these instead. Or what's weird is like a standard format for a slasher film of which this is kind of is where you have a couple people go and they meet their maker right off the bat. Well these two do not meet their maker. Really one of them disappears in the other one wonders where the other guy went. And there was this big to do at this more area there skulking around and they see a same assailants and this is so bizarre like genre hopper. You're wondering who they're conjuring up some something from beyond the grave and yet they're not why is there there's coffins and yet this not really playing a role. Christopher Georges Mr Andruzzi on the mortuaries. Lean the swearing a billion dollar kind of judicial in a way judge. Judy he looked. He looked rather pathetic final. Cinematic out and you say you know we can't go out like no hunter S. Thompson into space or something over there you go. You know what? I was wondering. So you're in a mortuary and no dead bodies shows up. And yet they're doing a seance in the mortuary like with the mortuaries not particularly mortuary s. Some like a warehouse house. Some Victorian era brick warehouse. And you're wondering. Why the SEANCE? Why are they trying to one up a scare that would be inherently felt in a mortuary? It's it's weird like this is all over the map and it turns out I guess one of the surviving as it turns out member of the Party of searching the mortuary is connected to the woman whose father met his demise in the first five minutes and then as he's here boyfriend the guy goes to this roller rink to ask this question about where his buddy could have gone to and I mean meanwhile he should know because they're in the mortuary but this is an excuse for this nights boogie down fifteen minutes of interminable owner on its circus at the medicine for the narrative. Your member only does go missing so this is van. Yeah so this officious buddy. My taken off with his Van. Come on his later. Founded the sheriff's station. Yeah it's so bizarre and you're wondering like thirty forty minute mark. Where is this thing going? Were it not for this figure shrouded and Qila and wearing this billowing robens skulking around in the bushes who is Maybe the your you could surmise. The killer of father. Because he's going after the daughter and he's got a tro car in his hand and I was thinking like is this Spanish. Verb conjugation truecar. Leslie what is a fucking Tro cars? Funny you should ask. It's it's something that has a kanye inside which sucks liquid out of some falsly abroad is basically. It's a device used in mortuary. Titians is an implement. Looks like a sword. Basically yeah and he's wielding this thing and I was like what is this and more to where. Yeah it was interesting. I think we were safe not to include it in depth by umbrella. One hundred weirdest movie weapon couldn't get them all. No I mean anything that puncture someone you know you have to pick your battles with that one when Harpoon maybe truecar even feel like. That's Portuguese or something. I can't even say I didn't know if that's pronounced properly but it sort of telegraphs who the perpetrator might be like Duh. Some Guy Walking around with mortuary equipment possibly be the could more tiffin not give him on spoiling wising but we have like fifteen minutes of solid. Roller boogie interplay. That could have really been jettisoned altogether but I really did appreciate. It was a lot of fun. It was all right. It was like the nets Kool and the gang should have been out there bugging with them but it was. It was weird on their disco shoes. I was always thinking disco. Stu and his his goldfish. They're living in his platform boots. And it's like well not for long as it turns out but men that is funny like I for me seeing a roller disco scene in a horror film that I know of there's been disco scenes. Obviously in prominent eight has a Leslie Nielsen shakes down on the dance floor. You Know Jamie Lee. Buses cuts lesson. Nielsen throws out on the dance floor. And he utters. The word shot a million times a day. The Guy has contributed so much to the world of cinema. Forget while the airplane airplane humorous Lonzo ten francs wherever whatever but don't call me Shirley Hotshot and he's the man is a gem. Recipe's what were you thinking when you were watching this Like this is is this. A supernatural no. Is this a slasher knows? This Jaylo no is this a procedural no is this a thriller. Know what it's more you're walking somebody who's being stopped by somebody else. The girl is still wondering who killed her father. She doesn't believe a police report. There was an accident. What have you? Maybe he out assurer case was not exactly. Look like you belong true. Well I mean. They didn't. They didn't believe that her father was murdered. And she did. Yeah so and then have this person stalking her. Who's who says maybe we think the film that he loves her so you got to surmise it. There is a connection between the death of her father. Oh Yeah and the killer and the killer is wearing makeup but it's not enough to conceal his his or her. Let's say his identity because of the what's called the Metro car. The truecar you have to do citizen mortician. Yeah there's only two people in this film who have anything to do with a mortuary one. Christopher George not exactly sprightly at this advanced age would have been in this film maybe seventy and saw L. have health because it was and we should say his wife is in it as well. It's pure movies together. But Christopher Georges Son Paul is played by Bill Paxton not one of his not his first role but one of his earliest roles and he uses star quality from the Second. He comes on the screen. He blows everybody every other name in this cast young people. Yeah exactly and wall. I mean He. I came across my radar in simple plan. Which is really growing in my estimation having seen it so long ago such an amazing in that but of course he's in twisters and Terminator. Like a maybe Weird Science Science. He was in another horror film. Frailty he was in. You mentioned the Terminator Aliens Alien was billions. Yeah what a what. A great role that sits too. I mean you know. He's really on the camera. Films Actually Yeah. And he's lapping up the role here and just standing out amidst all these well two doors not notwithstanding a bunch of nobodies from the soap opera world and essentially that. So it's really really caring this whole thing. She the the lead female he was on the Waltons. Ooh Did not know that. Never Mark Yup. I saw them take your word for that. Did they found Walmart? Yeah I mean with this one. I was like I actually watch it back several times to figure what was going on. Because there's so many like Spaghetti. Theory elements is thrown into this. And you got the impression. I don't know if you know anything about the production that this was the work of many hands and might have been in Distribution Hal or production. Hell for a period of years. Because there's so many disparate elements. Don't really come together and wondering if they had anything in mind that they were really going for before. It was tinkered with post or various. I really couldn't tell is there's really going off in so many directions like politics told us you can't be all things to all people with. This is as much as any of horror we've ever discussed. The podcast is a little bit of something for everyone in. This is a pretty gory. Kill for a movie. That's not gory. There's some exploitation. Elephants has some of the scenes in the mortuary when they're actually showing the embalming of a corpse. That's rather gory ned. Not for the faint of heart so yeah You had a friend who is in the room mate of one of our mutual friends and she was a cute. Well it's a blonde blue eyed so very unobtrusive very sweet very wholesome looking and she was in the funeral services program and that always blew my mind that someone like that would be in that profession. Because you always you always think you know Schrimm. What's his name from Phantasm? And you always scream and you always think some hulking potentially hunchbacked Aged Antediluvian figure in that role. You don't expect like the time. When I first met her she was like twenty five. You don't expect someone young or vibrant or or female frankly to be in this role. It's good to discuss another mortuary theme movie because the Phantasm was like the pinnacle of that kind of movie and this was just so funny on many levels. And they really made I guess some elevate elements of the mortuary stuff work because again this Paul Characters. A bit of a perv. Oh and he takes great delight in not only Faren formaldehyde into his patients. Who Know what you call them but also makes me want to be cremated but he likes doffs their tops. Obviously nubile like very attractive women and Yeah. It was kind of A. Yeah for the for all the expectation elements of his lots of fun banter. And there's the protract place term fat for him. Funny Fat Guy and you got an interesting. I guess familial dynamic given the demise of the dad and the beginning because the mother refuses to believe that there's that her daughter's life is really endanger despite her husband being off so that's a weird kind of thing well remember to. Her mother was part of the say on so she might impart the conspiracy for the movie. The mother is basically gasline her daughter. She's crazy. Oh it's your. It's your show overactive imagination. Oh it's your dreams always you're sleepwalking. Nothing no one's out to get you. Don't worry about it. Go back to someone out to get her and at first it was like dual. Spielberg like us. Some figure whose face you couldn't see trying to run her off the road in California cotton highway and you're like What's going on with this? I don't know if this is the point of the podcast where we get to what we've learned because I've learned quite a bit of stuff. The thing about me man is when I I always write down things that I learned and then I blow things. I want to say reserve. What what I learned I say in the course of our discussion but what I will say one of the things I did learn. Is that if you're gonNA reveal your killer early as this film did have something to make. You feel a bit more exciting until the mob. Because they reveal the killer quite early and revealed the killer as well. I mean we spoil the killer in this podcast. Apologies to those. I haven't seen the film but it does get Kinda boring after that until the last five minutes which gets pretty fucking insane however it does sort of steel elements from happy birthday to me so much that loved the last five minutes because for its derangement. I had up dot doc part because of the fact that it did steal elements from prior horror film. I was GonNa say maybe silence at the land as well with a tableau you're referring to that is put on for that shocking. To me I was also going to point out. I thought you would the famous composer from Salzburg Austria. Oh Yeah Mozart who would have thought that Wolfgang would feature so prominently shitty movie. It was weird because you see figure on campus is trying to pick up one of the principals in the film and try and Courter using what else. I MEAN TIME-HONORED VINYL LP OF MOZART. On how all the all the DISCO DANCING. Dynamos Renteria. Wolfgang Amadeus Falco. Of course. Yeah exactly what? Moser had been brought back into prominence at this point. Oh as an aside I did see screening of Amadeus accompanied accompanied by a live concert. Which really quite quite moving and I did visit. Mozart's house in Vienna also has well not not Salzburg and Vienna because hall in Salzburg is a lot of time in Vienna. His birthplace long live at his grave in Vienna which is very nondescript in the middle of an industrial area woke and of course of an Halen. Eddie van Halen named his son Wolfgang. I'm no one bringing that up so stupid but during the tableau and I think when the running the credits. There's the in Congress playing if I declined enough. Music is resistant to little night music. It's like done done. Because it's the most gang compensated. Yeah but I mean horror film. You're supposed to conjure up scares and and that's what you're running the final remind me and the music and this movie is Pretty Damn Awesome and how I bid Phantasm vibe. I thought oh I agree. I said that to my girlfriend and right off the bat it said this maybe move move. You may not be much to look at is really not much in the way of narrative of the two main characters. Spend the bulk of the Times that we're boobs and you can tell because the female protagonists was a redhead and on the table was Brunette. Yeah so the drapes didn't match the the the rug or whatever yeah sure. Point there was a very protracted fucking seen in. I believe the parents house which I thought was rather odd. Must've been. There's no one that young could afford such sprawling. Yeah so like maybe you go in the basement and you can get away with that but right in the middle by the fireplace in the living room. There's this like Balsa out some balls to the wall like ten minutes of fucking and I thought okay couldn't they? Aren't they worried about being caught in whatever but della whatever always mixed that one? I never did that in my parents place. I would never. I would not have the balls to do that in the living room. At least show some discretion go in the Basement v. O our God it was. What else did I learn? I'm trying to think here. Oh looted to this rather violent death so it's not. It's maybe a bit of a spoiler that the mother think meets her maker at the hands of this mystery killer and with the TRUECAR altro car for the TRUECAR's penetrating her but not in a way that was particularly bloody or it was just the constant shoving of the implement into her inner. That was actually. It was nothing gory about it. But it was quite shocking. And the way he was I mean it was like a almost a Turkey based already know. Describe it he just kept shoving it in was almost made. Me Recoil quite impactful. No is much more gory when he was using the Tro car in the actual Embalming sequence earlier in the film ooh Yeah not going to be filled with formaldehyde. Upon my demise and I'm GonNa make explicit in my wishes to my loved ones in my in my will that I had hoped to be whatever cremated or some otherwise. This movie is not contributing to my calming is only done in North American society. There's no other society on the planet that in bombs deceased really between ancient Egypt. And now there's this. The people fell out of favor. And then they're the last ones weird trying to think what else I learned here this. There's so much Christopher George God love him I mean. He was in Grizzly as well. Which another fantastic film podcast it with Scott Debit. Who wrote a fun article on on daily dead about mortuaries very same so I mean good God like we have so much like? Oh Christopher George so much he's been such a focal point of our discussions and again like chewing on a Stogie and like city of the living dead wandering around and just basically the same disinterested wordy figure. This one is like he is a business owner right but it's the same kind of scowling guy just wandering around and he just is something so. I don't know comforting about his presence in a movie and it's just it's like you say he's got that John Saxon calling horror film your Henriksen your model. You're happy yeah. Did this one make you happy because this was? I mean as much as I enjoyed it. I didn't take to it in the same way I did. The final terror or these other films that we champion the no one else really does like I found it a little too disjointed. Although some of the lines as you mentioned earlier that was quite quite good I just. I don't know maybe I just wasn't in the mood Can't believe you didn't bring up the line. The Helms Art you text me that line. Oh my God men. The standards are really slipping and post secondary education. If no one is familiar with MOATS BUT WELL BILL. Paxton is holding Stack records and one of them is Moser than one of the The pretty picks up looks like what the Hell's him Ozark couldn't even pronounce it right. Either dammit dammit but star rating here his like. I'm I'm sorry I was trying to warm to it but it has just to to over the map. Somehow I really liked spooky and compare and even movies makes no sense whatsoever. No wins the poster on that. Almost I almost conjures up the Antagonised here which is more of a Mr Bugatti kind of Yeah the exorcist. Kind of VIBE. Don't even know how you describe the killer really but I think the tableau at the end really adds some almost Texas chainsaw massacres. Go See. 'em Meshing the movies. It was similar to say it did have a sort of TM vibe. I mean the tableau is fantastic. But like I said it wasn't wholly original it was done earlier. Happy Birthday to me so I mean I like the movie. I had fun with it. I love the fact that he had a roller boogie scene in the middle of the so. Pass much padding. No I mean that was really very lots which shouldn't be a problem all the sex and all the elderly roller skating. I know I liked it but I love it. And then like I said before when they reveal the killer was around the sixty minute mark and there was still about thirty minutes left to go news is padding and padding pulling taffy pulling they're making homemade noodles wrecking until you got to the last five minutes with the most tableau and so on and so forth so for the disco scene for the. What's Mozart Line? What the Hell's him Ozark for some of the wacky elements. I'm going to give this one three stars and call it a day. Nice well As part of the course with me all the time on the podcast I always think of something. Just before I get my star rating of another thing. I learned today. I learned that in the studio. Well the the late Mr Paxton a great actor and it's a shame that he He died so young he was on the Marc Maron. Podcast talking about his heart troubles. And it's I think the world took him from us at sixty something very loving maybe sixty one. The active you can use inscribed packing dependable always count on and he never was he never gave a stellar performance but always give a solid performance since. Just get very very much to the letters and actors actor against the Cliche so I found out today that he was. He's actually a part of American history lore because as a young kid he grew up in Texas and he was present when that on that infamous date when John F. Kennedy was murdered. And so he he's listening so there's a picture of him as. I believe of young child being held up by his parents to witness the proceedings and so in the historical archives in Dallas. There's actually a picture of a eight year old Paxton being held aloft. Hundreds of people looking at the KAVAK cow. Motorcade cavalcade is something Harley. Different my God motorcade. So it's pretty funny that well not funny ha but he was part of history in that way and a great actor almost pretty your memorable performer. And of course picture keep right now. It's such a famous photograph. Yeah and you always like there. Was that thing where. He's being frequently confused with Bill Pullman. Who was from Independence Day? All this other type movies. So is there such different people? They don't really look that similar more than name that snl played off of and stuff so he really was vehicle. John Hurt and John Heard to authors. Yes very off. Confuse names and I'm gonNA give this says a real. Yeah I'M GONNA give this a solid a solid three and you know perfectly fun time waster and I was drawn in because again from back in the day. This was a poster that stuck with me that and movie that never followed up on and until much later so very much like hell house or one of these vehicles worth like that poster. I got to see this. See it and then years later I got around to it and help you could throw pieces in there as well with Christopher George so a solid today George tubes in this one as well so not exactly wholehearted recommendation but as sort of a tepid a barely two and three quarters of a three fun enough and we have some announcements forthcoming. We're going to be unveiling in the spring. We hope to very soon anyway. And it's going to be pretty exciting so Continue to listen to new episodes of the podcast uploaded for your listening pleasure every Friday on the really awful movies podcast. And we'll talk to take care.

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Antra Srivastava - Artist & Poet | The Bernard D'sa Talk Show | S-2 Ep-04

The Bernard D'sa Talk Show

08:20 min | 2 months ago

Antra Srivastava - Artist & Poet | The Bernard D'sa Talk Show | S-2 Ep-04

"Hello everyone and welcome to the season. Two of the Doc show and today on my show. I have contemporary artists untrustworthy. Bustillo who has been working professionally for more than two decades and as cookies work across the country and internationally a graduate with honors english creature. She's avoid and a translator hundred. You welcome to the talk show have seen. Y'all boost your updates on instagram facebook. I want to understand from you. How all began. How did this bending all getting being an artist all started. So i always had. This condition was odd since my childhood and it all started after getting married professionally. I couldn't take any oh formal training because there was lack of awareness. You can say like might be. They didn't actually pink that i could make career in between so somehow i could not take formal training in art so and later on got got marriage to an army officer. Then all like this all started My husband was very he. No art lovers so he encouraged me to get into this professionally right. So that's that's the all or journey began also to check with you like acid artisanal new showcase your odd that people come around lacrosse. Bury your been boasting yard. The museums galleries. A how does it feel okay. That's you see then. You work is acknowledged. It's obviously a great feeling. You know when you had accepted even if You are not of formal trained artist Then you are accepted in this world. It gives a great feeling so for me as a self taught artist. It is a wonderful feeling right and apart from doing this lovely artwork. Your also an for it and and i am. I am seeing that. Your published walks every time on facebook. Someone bags on the please. you'll give them commend. You replied to them. You guide them. How did poetry began. Poetry happened actually much later in my life like It was always there inside me. But i didn't know how to express myself so you know it said like when you are in pain then you get into your real self then. Only you can immortal. So when i lost my mother in two thousand fifteen I was hoping up the pain and that was the time i started writing. And it's all started from there so And after that they in the beginning. I was writing in english and then my mother used to write in hindi. So i part. It's a very nice way. To connect to my departed mom Through my poetry. So i started writing in hindi so i started owning release. Laura soleus writing in hindi. So they're my hindi. Writing began. So i found early for me. Writing in him is much more. Like i don't know how to say that. But sali's when i write in the right as i'm sorry for your loss but then as you said you know the being is what brings the real violent you know. That's that's what this the that the joe was that. And that's that's what the boise is all about your pain. Your journey and that makes the greatest because everyone at different points have different types of being. Everyone goes through different. That's obscene but but the problem is a person who can all come to be again big it as a challenge and bring a change in his life. i think that's what upward is all about. I think art is the only thing which can take you out from the pain on. I have sent the autism only Thing which can keep you going in the life it gives you spent audits autry right and since we're talking about poetry. Would you like to recite few lines from your phone and your favorite web. I actually i have written one. Now william about myself so You say a table. Would you feel out of the crowd like you feel. You are not from this. Like i always had this feeling like i'm not i don't belong to this. World is dedicated to all those women. And all those girls who feel just like me good says Caption of this volume. Is neil bill while your thing mealy. While okay which are the gmc his newly where he juban jonky paschal for keita. Be mocked studio okita benedetti. Hankou slough. he jesus is our yard is divinely. Zindi geeky horatio. Safe bring carthy. But she don't get to puncture dougherty vic shuki pasha so much name idly could be found mediocrity today. Kimmy remarks that idea. Uh spas that native will get up nigga padded with key akash. Ganga benign emmy mohican bucked. Deniau bully cheech. The skinny little comes old without the what cottee hid. Neo made landrin per nikki. Quish london need amid the who shot ahead by kijima kit. That was key jetty. Ten tiny lapin will did. The local ten detainees. Well that was a lovely andruzzi. Something you know that every moment i think could relate to now. This brings me to my last question. What is your message for. The young voids out there barring office benders so league mijoni like my meydani taught me to listen to your heart lake. Amer went to give message to anyone. But what i felt. It's important to listen to your heart and when you listen to their calling. That is was important thing right. And i think one should become serious practitioner whether it's art or aquarium. When should get serious about these things because these are very rare things and very few people are destroyed these kinds of talents so my abuse to all those artists and the boys to just listen to your heart and listen to your calling and take it seriously. That's that's only message onto right. Reggie thank you so much for taking your time and being on the show and dear listeners if you have any queries got to art art work will have to do conduct events and how to write poetry. You can always drop a message to allergic you. Also draw tweet or text to me. And i hope unregistered happy to a still absolutely thank you so much for having me here and it was a wonderful wonderful show. This was my first broadcast. And i'm so happy about it and right thank you thank you. I'm glad you for being here. Thank you so much. Have a great big.

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Vata Savirti  : The Story of Satyavan and Savirti

Myths, Legends, and Fairytales of India

20:43 min | 2 years ago

Vata Savirti : The Story of Satyavan and Savirti

"Lows knows you'll do it right. To find the right gifts for dad, this Father's Day. We do it right to with deals that'll make dad proud as perfectly seared steak and is perfectly manicured law. Now get a charbroil four burner advantage series gas grill for just one hundred sixty nine dollars and pick up your choice of craftsman gas or electric string trimmer for only ninety nine dollars each make this Father's Day. His best one yet and do it right. Foot less start with Lowes. Charbroil offer valid for six twelve craftsman offer. Belter six nineteen. US only. Study of suck the on and savvy. Welcome to the midst legends and fairy tales of India podcast we would bring to you amazing stories from India. These are timeless stories that are brought to you in a new of that by Kamarck. She media. Once Amman a time in the lands near the Himalayas, then lift a king who had many wives, but none of them could give him a child. Moaning and evening for eighteen years. He Lynch, the file on the sacred altar and lead for the gift of children. Finally, one d oh, goddess rose from the flames I am salvage three. I am the daughter of the sun. I'm pleased with your plans, you will soon have a daughter. Within a your adult does born in the king's vannice. It was the favorite Queen won't him a child, he named her savagery after the goddess. Beauty and intelligence were the Princess Salvi threes, defining features, and she had is that chore, like the sun. So splendid was she that people thought she herself was a goddess? Yet when the time came for her to Mattie no man asked for her head in manage. Her father told her. We men tone away from radiance like yours go out and find a man worthy of you. Then I will arrange for the marriage. And so in the company of servants and counselors Savi three traveled from lease to please. After many days she gave up on a home 'age by a river crossing. He are lived men and monks who had left the towns and cities for life of prayer and study, solid three entered the hall of worship and bowed to the end teacher as these spook a young man with shining, eyes scheme in do the hall. He guided another man who was old and blind. Who is that young man? Ost SABIC three. Softly. This is prince sub theme on said the D, Joel with a smile. He guides this follow king whose realm was called God. It is that, that's something mom's need means son of truth for no man is richer in what you. When solving threes on home, she found her father city with the holy seal. None of. My daughter, my deal. Dawdle. Set the key. Have you found the man you wished to marry? Yes, though, he's name is sub dealer. Nodded gas. Oh, dear on. He says, no man could be more were the where do you must not marry him. What is going to happen to him sub theon minute by one your from today? The king said. Do you heal my dear daughter? Choose a different man. As your husband. Salvin three trend wound, but said. I have chosen sub given and I will not choose another, however long, or short is life. I wish to share it with him. Soon. The king road with savagery to arrange the marriage. Southie von was overjoyed to need. Such a beautiful woman who would be is bright. But as father, the blind king us sovereignty. Can you bear the whole life of the Hermitage, will you wear are simple role and our code of Madden ball? Eat only fruits and plants of the wires. Will you eat only fruit and plans of the wires? Three three-set. I get nothing about comfort or hardship. Be pan this or home page. I'm good. Dinh's. That very d- three and Southie one wall hand-in-hand around the secret file in the hall of worship in front of all the priests. And homered the became husband and white. For your daily lived happily. Let Salva three good. Never forget that sub devante debt was join closer and closer. Finally, only three days remained SABA, three entered the hall of worship and stood before the secret file. There. She breed for three days and nights without food, or water. My love sets up Thyatira rarin fasting are good. But why be this hard on yourself? Salvatore gave no one so. The sun was just rising with SABA three. At last left the hall. She saw south even heading for the forest caddy in acts on his shoulder. Soviet thirty rushed to his site. I will go with you. Stay joe. My love said, sub Yuan. You should eat and rest. But Saban three said my heart is set on going. Hand in hand Sava three and sub theon walked over wooded hills, these smell the blossoms on flowering trees and paused beside peer streams, the cries of peacocks echoed through the woods while sovereignty jested subdivide on chopped, firewood from fallen tree. Suddenly he dropped his acts. Law. Head aches. Salvia three rushed to his aid. She laid him down in the shade of a tree. He's head on her lap. My body is bonding. What is wrong with me? As he uttered, these words Southie wants is closed. Head is bleeding, snowed. Some three looked up. Coming through the woods to meet, then who's a princely man. He shown, though is skin was darker that the darkest night, he's is at his role. Rate resembling the color of blood. Schrimm meeting, Soviet Diaz. You. A deep Jen to voice replied. Princess. You'll see me only by the power of your prayer fasting. I- yum, the Goto debt. Now is the time I stayed the spirit of sub theon back with me. Yum, took a small news and busted through succulents breast he threw out the tiny likeness of sub theon, which is no bigger than a thumb. As soon as yum, did this Sunday lawns breathing stumped. Young. Please the miniature likeness of you inside his new. Happiness awaits, your husband in my kingdom. Something. Mom is a man of great words, you. Did he don't and headed self back to his Dobie? Saba three hose and started off to him. Young stored smoothly and swiftly through the woods while Sabat three struggled to keep up. She fed over slippery rocks and cut herself as she went to Tony bushes, but not once did she lose sight of yum. At last he stopped to face her Sava three. You cannot follow to the land of the dead Laudium. I know your duty is to take my husband what my duty as his wife is to stay beside him. Princess that duty of yours has come to an end still. I admire your loyalty, I will grant you a female. You can ask me anything but the life of your husband. Saba three sit. Sleaze restore by father, loss kingdom and his site. He saw it at his kingdom shall be restored. Had it not was the old king able to see he was overjoyed to find that his kingdom had been restored to him. Yum, again, headed south and three followed. A knowledgeable bang. There was a ticket of poems and dull shar dress, the Bawden ways and lit young boss on dust. Monday door at Sava, threes, clothes, and skin. Salvatori you have come thought enough. Laudium. I know my husband would find happiness in your kingdom, but you carry away the happiness that is mine. Princess, even love must file before fakes tier I admire your devotion didn't grant you another favor. You can ask me anything but the life of your husband. Salvia three said. Grunt? Many more children to my father, I wished you have many more brothers and sisters. Your father shot have many more children. Young once more toward south had began proceeding in that Steiner action. Once again, some three followed. A steep hill. Yum, glided. What Sava three clambered after him? At the tall he haunted saw three. I forbid you to come farther. Laudium you are respected, and reveal it by all. I do not wish to insult you or on your Roth I disobeying. You. Yet. No matter what me come. I will need by subdivide on. Britain says, I tell you for the last time you were not. Still, I can only a mile your courage and your phone. This. Hi, boom. Crunchy were lost fable. As always, you can ask me anything, but the life of your husband's then grunts, many children, to me. And let them be children of subdivide on. Yam's is Google wide as he's ten at some. You know, to ask for your husband's life, yet I cannot grant your wish without releasing him. Princess, your wit is as tall as your will. Having unto. These words, young took out the spirit of sub theon and removed the news. The spirit flew north quickly vanishing from sight. The Thanh saw the three you have won your husband's life. Young and Salvatori began the Johnny's in opposite directions. Salvi wind climbed Domine and through the grass and the Todd bushes and the planes and all no. The sun was just setting when some three reached the forest and again lead south Yvonne's head in her lap. His chest rules and fan. Slowly, his eyes open. Has the day already come to an end? I who slept long. But what is wrong Lilo you smile and cry at the same time? Oh, it's nothing. My love said, Sabat three yet doesn't on home. Young was through to all he had problems sovereign threes. Father became father to many more children, set, the Amman's father, vegan, both site and kingdom anytime suddenly one became he SABA three his Queen. They live long and happily list with many children. Many years later. When young came again, to carry them, do his kingdom, saga three and sub theon willing needed. So. There were not ios or crying or pleading all following young this time. He study of the Princess salary is one of the best known and best loved tales of India. To dish Inle Hindu women, celebrate an annual festival insolvent threes, all know who secure a long, and happy, matted life. The story is fall in the mob hotter. One of the do great ancient epithets of India. Each appeals in three, the book off the forest where it is related as an instructive deem to your dish to one of the bits hills by the wise home. It mug on meal. The story, also three. It says most likely started out as a full dean before its insertion in the epic, along with the rest of the Mahabharata it, then on the when a number of changes and additions over the centuries. In its final version. The story shows elements off a number of historical periods. Add with very different cultures. The story likely was written around eight hundred BC. The Muhab hottest places. The story in the kingdom of Madrid. No, not the joss in southern India. But the region between the present data vase genome, Andruzzi the tributaries of the indust. This region is today. Situated mostly in northeast Pakistan, and partly in the Indian state of jumble. And Kush me. In the ancient times, the capital of this team was suckle near the modern Pakistan is city of Seattle goat in the foothills of the Himalayas. Did you like the story we would love to hear your feedback? You can write to us at contact at gut her story dot com. 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Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 32 - How To Embrace Something NEW

Mark Bell's Power Project

59:56 min | 5 months ago

Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 32 - How To Embrace Something NEW

"The leap and actually my sleep has been sleeping pretty good lately. My sleep was good and then my son got his Next round of shots so yeah not a reaction but you know like got hot fever and he was a hard time sleeping so i had a hard time sleeping. Not only care for that. Fever is more cowbell xactly or more trend. There's always got the vaccine for he. The trend vaccine here. We went going around. You know got the same cycle as not only that would have been my son gonna say that many titan all come up and i'm gonna say he's still natty. He's not on any Each johnny actual steroids. He's m. k. Six seven seven and car during the moment is my understanding so my thing was what if it is a natural steroid like what if it's like as trend like okay. Maybe it's not natural but like what if it's like an organic compound you mean like what if your body already produces it china demise it no just testosterone. Maybe just a little dab here and their common people said i love steroids. I'll be on an often invest in my life. I said bigger stronger faster. And i still stick by their amazing should we do is just talk about steroids. Forget the whole topic. i'm down. i mean you know everyone else will be down. I know people love him. Well i think you and i both agree. They're awesome they are awesome. They're helpful know and I think i think in terms of like what we're seeing with hormone replacement therapy. I think it'd be more and more common. I think at the moment people don't really know where to go. it's it's not as bad as the black cable box from years ago but It's almost as bad like memory. Has like y- somebody who get a hookup with that black cable box. And you get all the pay per views in the showtime and hbo but no one ever really knew they got it from and they wouldn't really say and you had to just be in the know to like find out how to get in and i remember so i've said this on on air before but my aunt had won in i dislike. Dad can't why can't we get one 'cause they're illegal and you know the cops find you. Whatever like you're going to jail and so thinking about it. I'm like back then. It was like yeah. They probably have like everyone's like cable connection. They can see like like whoa like this. Tv's getting way more than it's supposed to but thinking about it now they probably had no freaking way how to track that sort of thing because there was like no internet. Yeah so it's like how would they even. How would they know. And you're like dad is like are is your sister like she some fucking gang about or something like what the hell like. she seems like a just. She's a teacher whatever. Yeah yes she's a real straight shooter. Seemed like everything's cool like she just happens to have a black box because she likes to get free. Hbo and some free pay per view here in there watching boxing. We watch all the mike. Tyson fights over there. Drink some coke zero so sorry about if were burping over two months over here. It's funny I was recently talking about a family gathering we had in my cousin was there and she was the first person like a couple years ago. Like i'm just burping up a storm to me. It's exact same thing as it's just something i do. I don't even like. Do you have to think about breathing. No do i think about burping. No one of the reasons. Why and one of the reasons why i control farts is because like i control farts you know like i like make certain sound so i when i'm around other people i hold them back is like this. I can make this really cool sound but had in a very appropriate time. And then also i know the aftermath could be deadly. Sometimes you don't you don't know what you're cooking down there all the time right right you can. Sometimes guess can make an educated guess when your stomach feels a certain way on how bad it's gonna stink but you can't always tell but burp is normally fairly innocent. So you know. You're just like i when i burp. I do the same thing as when i far except just i. There's no holding back. I just like ran leaves. While i'm talking to somebody i don't know why but and then i like kind of i for some reason. Wanna make loud as possible as if it's some sort of like mating call thank you. Yeah what burger in front of my cousin. She was appalled. And i'm like what the fuck like what's wrong. And she's like. How could you like. Oh my gosh. Like we're at the table and i'm like what i literally had no idea what was her like. Did i do like it. Accidentally like spit on something. What's your problem. And she's just like your burgum. Like what like. What do you mean you. Even then i'll still confused. But at least i guess it is gas at the table so like i get it but we're splitting hairs over here. You know i'll. I will usually do the thing. Where like you kind of blow it out the side of your mouth and up so you're not blown at somebody's face because that's pretty bad and also if you do eat something and then you burp it up yours. Like oh my bad. Every ahead weiner schnitzel. That can be really bad if you had pesto. Pesto in a garlic. Yeah sappers and onions. I see things. Yeah peppers peppers anger for really longtime anyway peeps. I think we're going to talk today about embracing new thing. You guys want to hear more about like performance enhancing drugs we talk about that in a future episode and maybe kind of discuss Reasons on why someone might consider them and so forth. But i think this in the future we're gonna see more and more of these hormone optimization places popping up where people are going to be able to get more help. I hope that that's true. Because i guess at the moment it's kinda hard to find information on it and We'll dive into a future podcast. We just had Jeff whitmer whitmer on the podcast and him. His dad's spoke a quite a bit about it. So there's tons of information on that podcast. Go and check that one out when you have an opportunity. It was episode number five something. We're twenty five twenty. She'll see it. Jeff whitmer yet. Jeff and dr michael whitmer yeah they. It was great because There's a lot of people are suffering out. There's a lot of people that are like when i say suffering i'm not talking about. They have like life threatening disease. I'm just saying like they are. They're stuck you know they're stuck with where they're at. They're trying to make some changes and they're putting their best foot forward but a little they could use a little pep in their step and You know there are. I think some people think. I'll manage cheating when you go that route you know but I can say from firsthand experience. You know i've done it both ways and i did it the the quote unquote right way for many many years and that felt good But when i switched over and started taking some stuff it exponentially just quite simply quite. Frankly just felt a whole lot better. I mean a lot better. Like when i trained i felt i felt enhanced. I felt better. i felt stronger. I felt like i could kind of run through a brick wall. And i think that's originally what you think you're gonna feel like when you train. I think you think you're going to kind of turn into a superhero. Sometimes what you see. In those superhero movies. The guys scrawny gets picked on and he goes through some training or he falls into a vat of chocolate nevada chemicals and turns into you know whatever it turns into gamma rays or whatever and he turns into. The hulk turns all jack. I think that we think that we're going to train for a bit. And that's gonna help us no longer feel like we're being like isolated or picked out for anything any one thing in particular and then we're going to be able to kind of fight off stuff easier you know or just feel more comfortable in her own skin. It doesn't really work that way. It's much more complicated than that takes a long time. It takes a lot of training. It takes a lot of planning takes nutrition and take sleep and men imagine if you could take a literally a shot in the arm about once a week to enhance that. Sounds like a really great idea. But at the same time if you're sixteen years old You know maybe it makes sense to wait and things like that so but for everyone else tages maybe be open minded to embrace what could become an and that's kind of what today's episode is about embracing new things and i'm so this came from It just goes back to the doug brignoli episode Very controversial. But it is opening a lot of people either loved it or thought is complete. bs Even amongst ourselves talking with seema yourself you know i. I loved a lot of what he had to say. It was the first time i had her any. I've never heard anything like it. I should say. But had i looked at some of the comments and been like. Oh shit there right like somebody was like. Oh i just got done watching. A roberto podcast. Or when he was on where he basically said isolated movements are useless. and it's all about compound movements and this Podcasts was recommended right after. Watch this and now. I'm really confused. Like do totally get it even talking to encima. And he's just like i get what he's saying but i'm not going to give up compound movements You still need to do this. And that that miss. So how'd i listened to some of the the the negative comments had. I even just put a little bit more weight into it and cmos saying somebody look up to. I might not have been willing to try some of these brignoli movements. The way i have been doing the cool thing was. I was doing something similar. Beforehand wasn't really messing with a barbell just because Kind of trying to repair my back and not be under a under bar But then finding this information and training. This way i've just i feel better and had i not just been open minded and try to embrace this new idea of of training. You know who knows where. I would be hopefully not hurt or i probably be fine but maybe i wouldn't have been making as much progress as i have been and you know again. There's that there's the not just talked about. So i wanna to kind of just have a discussion about being more open minded and be will being willing to embrace new things you you are running right now and you know you can go in talk about the progression there. But i mean when i first met you mean shit. I posted a video recently of union. Sima real nice and thick. And it's like hey a thick mark. Do you ever think that you'll you'll be you know running like literally like going out for a jog instead of lifting. You might have been like hell. No but you've kind of taken that on and you've really embraced it and you've gotten really good at running and so you know. How did that come to be and like what's the progression there with your With your yakking. I've found that through my own personal experiences. That being open minded has been extremely helpful to me In many many aspects of my life all the way to the point of understanding why one person would be into something Over myself thinking that it's ridiculous for example You know now that. I am more open minded. There's nothing sound all that ridiculous to me right But let's say skydiving mike. I'm not that adventurous. You know what. I mean so skydiving like mine only see myself doing it but if someone told me about it and someone said hey we got a great structure and here's what we do and here's how it works at someone that knows what they're doing. I'd be like yeah. Okay that's of my normal comfort zone. And i'm not into necessarily just doing shit because it's uncomfortable But i am open minded enough to recognize. That could be a cool experience. And if i'm kind of like. I'm only kind of afraid of heights. i'm not. I'm not like deathly afraid of heights But you saw from the vr. That i did ask got pretty freaked out right. So yeah jumping out of a plane. Would i could pay my pants. You know like. I'm a little skittish. Like i get scared around like big animals. I think they're gonna like fuck me up. And i don't know i've just i've always been that way. I can get uncomfortable in some of these situations. But i'm also in recognition of hey like embracing these fears might really helped me to be able to follow through with my dreams and other areas and that's a quote of mine where i talk about that often. I think that's one of the things that are trying to do in this lifetime as we are trying to not necessarily trying to embrace your fears but i think that we have to embrace our fears the things that you can't do quote unquote can't do or the things that you probably must do. I'm not very flexible. Therefore i should stretch. I don't have great stamina. Therefore i should probably do things that work on my stamina work on my endurance My heart is probably pretty damn powerful in some regards when it comes to lifting weights. It's probably quite used to pumping for that kind of thing. But it's probably not used to pumping For something like running so let's be open minded to that and maybe when we're open minded to these other things maybe when we venture off into something else we can put more points on the scoreboard but in a completely different category. So let's say you put up points on the scoreboard every single day for fitness. But then you end up being a little bit of an idiot because you're not putting up points on the scoreboard anywhere else. You're not testing yourself intellectually intellectually perfect words. Not be able to say right. You're not testing yourself in ways that challenge your mind right. You're not testing yourself in ways that might challenge your relationships and different. You know different things like that. You're just putting in time and effort into your fitness all the time. And you're not recognizing that your relationship at home is suffering. Because you're jim for four hours. So this instagram post that you have. You reached five percent body fat and did a squat with five hundred pounds for three wraps while. That's extremely impressive. To be that lean and to be able to handle those kinds of weights. That's really cool. Meanwhile you're falling apart and other areas maybe quite simply just because you weren't open minded in some areas to reflect and to kind of look into like that's probably not reasonable for me to work out for four hours every day. That's something that i've worked on a lot over the years. And it's actually something that i learned from From an attorney that we had early on with slingshot is he said it's not like a law abiding word necessarily but he's like sometimes you can just tell some you can just ask somebody. Hey dude like that reasonable and in the case of somebody like you to court or something like sometimes people don't really care what's reasonable but i think that you know Most people can understand what that means. Like being you're kind of being ridiculous being open minded has helped me in so many different ways. It's hard to kind of put into words. But here's something that. I've recognized as i've recognized that you don't want to allow your truths and your beliefs your truths and your beliefs to impede and get in the way of your growth of your ability. To obtain more knowledge knowledge. Creation is one of the most important things that you will ever come across. The most important thing to work on this lifetime is your mind what you think about the different thoughts. Enter your brain every single day. We don't always have control over the actual thoughts enter our brain but we have control over how we think about those thoughts and understanding that when we think about truth. There's your truth there's the truth and then there's someone else's truth so there's three different truths that we have to go through and when somebody's speaking as i'm speaking right now you're like this is true for me. You might be thinking half of what. I'm saying bullshit but if you keep an open mind you might be able to grab a couple of things for me even if you don't like me. It doesn't matter if you're like me you don't like me or you're indifferent You can still grab stuff from me. That may be useful. I can still grab some stuff from you. That may be useful. The weird thing about the actual truth is that we'll never know that it's very hard to have an absolute truth and just about anything. Some people might say. Well there's some truth to like math and there's some truth to science and if this if dropped his pen it's going to fall but then if you get into like talking like neil degrasse tyson. He might explain something totally different that you're just like i don't know what's going on anymore and that's why i always say all were really trying to do is get closer to the truth but working on your mindset having an open mind having an understanding of that person may weigh four hundred pounds right now and you might not be understanding of it because maybe you're not empathetic and maybe you don't understand. Just wear that person's at in their life. This person may drink too much all the time. Because you're not having a good understanding of where they're at their life in this at at this time you yourself even though you may have worked on yourself and you may have improved yourself. If you're being honest with yourself you have been at. There's been situations in your life where you've been stuck and you had fixed mindset. You didn't have a game winning mindset. You didn't have a mindset. That's going to commit to doing whatever is necessary within reason to come up with a victory and i think the only way that you can continue to improve and continue to move forward and continue to make progress is by having open mind saying you know what i'm going to grab some knowledge from over here. I'm going to grab knowledge over there. This guy's got great information. That guy's got great information. I'm gonna piece together with my some of my current beliefs. Some of the things that i already feel are somewhat true for me because those things should not be ignored. Those things should not be ignored. The things that you already feel are fairly true for you. They should be examined a little bit. They should be challenged. But you definitely don't want to ignore them so as you're kind of walking through this process it can get confusing because there's kind of a lot of different things to different things to think about. And when i started to think about Changing things up and exercising and doing things different. I started to think about what i want. Look like in the next ten years so it was like i would like to as much as i hate to say it now. 'cause i don't necessarily want to be smaller now. That is where. I want to kind of move to eventually. I'd like to be. I don't know two hundred and ten pounds. That's my fighting like. That's what. I weighed Mostly through like highschool so. That's kind of what i'm looking to do. And i'm just thinking like well what did i do. What did i do what. I weighed ten. I used to box for boxing. I used to run. I used to do some track. I played football. You like i had a lot of movement back then. I wasn't just into powerlifting. So i'm like well i don't really at the moment. I don't really have a desire to do boxing. But i'm always out a walk and then one day kinda forrest gump. Style of walk started. Turn into running and next thing i know i went from a walk run where only ran a little bit like when i say a little bit i might only ran for like fifteen seconds at a time sometimes even less And then it turned into a run walk and then it turned into like just going for like a flat out run. I think that's where matt vincit. It is right now. I think he is running pretty frequently which is pretty awesome after having a knee replacement surgery but yet being open minded can help lead to a lot of cool things Help put you in some new positions in new spots. I don't know what running will lead to but able lead to something. Yeah and then you know. Here's where you see like the the the it's very apparent in like nutrition and in the diet space somebody will buy into a certain philosophy had diet philosophy and they will take the information. We'll just used lane norton because that you know his. His followers seem to be very vocal. When it comes to somebody promoting a different style diet will tag him left and right Not i mean. I'm not i'm i'm a fan of later. I'm i make everything fit my mackerels as well. But it's not my identity and i think that's where things get. Weird is people will do the research. And that's it. That's that's my diet. Or that's my whatever. My training philosophy and it becomes their identity. But do you think that being somewhat decipher a. Let's say a day being closed minded to research everything there is on that one subject that one philosophy to kind of gain the knowledge. That's that you feel is necessary to make a proper decision on whether or not you're going to take just this one bit or you can take the whole bit. Yeah and you know just To clarify a lot of this who are first of all. I have guilty. Plenty of times of being narrow minded and Yeah like that mindset can kind of help because sometimes you do spend more time somewhere because you're like fuck all this other stuff you kind of filter out some of the noise right focus. Yeah you know. Life seems to be fairly short. But you do have You know. I mean everyone ends up with a different like lifespan. I guess I guess what i'm trying to think about here is like you know with a with a racehorse. They put the blinders on. And they those blinders. If they're not on the horse will actually die like the horse racing it will like fall out of its line because it can't focus and hone in it sees the other horses around him and it might start racing somebody else's race. He's doing things that aren't fit for him which happens to humans all the time. We're we're running races that we're not fit for right and We tend to lose focus. And so getting single-minded and getting narrow minded and putting some blinders on and focusing in honing in on stuff can be really useful. But i guess. What i'm saying is in the interim when you have downtime. Not when you're in the race you know you don't you don't want to change your squat beliefs at a powerlifting. Meet like that's not a good time to take advice from the do in the back about like pointing your toes out. You know unless you've never competed before. And that guys you know has some knowledge for you but even then i would say that's not a great time to explore that you know it's a better time to explore that in practice a better time to look into that. It's a better time to look at that in in in your practice but back to what you said about the identity is. I don't think it's a great thing when i so weird way of wording it but i'll say it this way because it's truthful in in my own truth my truth bro. It's my truth bro. When i helped make pop bake powerlifting more popular many years ago with all the different stuff from super turning dot tv i took on identity. But i didn't take on the same identity identity that everybody was used to in powerlifting. You always had the metal music on you. Always saw like flaming graphics and guys headbutting. The bar. I had some of that. Because i get fired up for for for lift and we had some guys cranking to macy. Dc and stuff. But we're a little unconventional you know you had our boy trust and shoal smoking cigarettes in between sets a cowboy hat. You had me and jessie berbick. Like literally dicken around with you know dirty jokes and messing around and having a good time. We were unconventional. We had a lot of. We showed a lot of people laughing. We showed a lot of people messing around the gym. Because i was one of the cameras to continue running. I'm like none of those. This isn't a clip of a guy squatting nine hundred pounds this is. Let's talk more about the journey of how the guy got there to nine hundred pounds but keep the camera running because something's funny and something stupid. It's going to happen after the guy makes the lift. Yeah real quick. What was the reaction when you started showing footage of stafford ing that that was that kind of stuff is what i'm talking about unconventional stuff. That wasn't really seen before. I think at that time i mean not. Everyone necessarily thought but people were attached. This idea that if you're a powerlifter you had to be big and fat. You know so. Talk about opening up your mind. Not only that not only did that. Open up your mind and also kind of slapped you across the face because you're like okay. What's up now fatso. Like this guy's got no body fat on him. His legs are skinny. He has strike asians in his in his ads. You know he's. He's a professional bodybuilder. He's not just some bodybuilder. He's a fucking pro. Oh and by the way he started this. Powerlifting journey in his like as old as i am right now forty four years old and he broke all time world records at like forty six forty like it just doesn't make any sense it's completely completely son. He's five or six years older than you are. Or maybe even more than you are right now. That's when you put it that. Like i i i wanna say i knew it. He was older. But when you put it that way just now holy shit we know what a mutant seema is right but can even do that like i would never put anything past and similar. Yeah i thought about it. He could do it by next week. Yeah he he thought about it. He can handle nearly anything but that that order for him to for him to for him in twenty years from now twenty years from now he's done with his jujitsu career or when he's whatever masters jujitsu or whatever twenty years from now for him to hop into powerlifting and break all time raw world records it would just be really really difficult if he again. I would never put anything past the guy especially incomes anything physical and The guy is a beast and we have nothing but admiration for him but that would be a very difficult task even for somebody with that genetic skillset and just back on this point of being open minded. I think at the time people were kind of shocked by that but the only way for stand to get people's attention the only way for the only way for people to buy into what he was doing was for people that actually see him like literally break the all time world records any did. He backed it up like he talked a lot of shit. He came in and we shot videos of him and he talked about ben white and how he was going to smack him around and kick his ass and you know in in lifting not physically. They don't trying to fight each other or anything like that Any did he was able to you know. Put together some totals that not only were beating. Somebody like ben white who extremely strong bodybuilder but they beat all time records that were previously put up by long-term lifetime powerlifters so made people rethink everything that they were doing with like lead a second. Maybe our focus maybe having these blinders on focusing so much on just powerlifting. Maybe that actually doesn't really make that much sense. If i just always hone in and focus on getting strong on the bench. I always hone in and focus on getting strong squat and dead lift. Maybe be better off actually being a little bit more fit having a healthier body being able to get better sleep looking a little bit better. Having my body be healthier overall carrying around more muscle mass than i am fat and being able to constantly kind of re comp the body and now you see that in powerlifting and i think that stan had a huge impact on larry. Wheels obviously had an impact. Think eric lillibridge had an impact on that. I think even like mike o'hearn who's you know. More on the bodybuilding side. I think a lot of those guys promoting strength promoting That it's cool to be. It's called an be strong to look like you lift. I think those things were were massive and then people are like. Oh yeah can be done that way. I think it just reminds everybody like why they picked up a barbell for the first time it was somebody picked on me. Somebody said i was fat or too skinny or i wanted to impress a chick. It's kinda usually how it goes. And then when they see the powerlifting oh yeah that is sick to be strong and then they seem you like mike. O'hearn damn strong and he's jacked. That's actually what i want. Instead when we started filming a lot of this stuff you know and documenting what the power would are power. If there's we're doing. I wanted to show everybody that we're on the same side as each other. You know one thing. I recognized in powerlifting. Right away was that there was really no attention for the women. Like there just wasn't like it just wasn't a big emphasis on the women. Were doing so we started a pro-am for women and then luckily laura phelps tip took that on later on and i don't know if she still runs it but she ran for four or five years You know women and strength and women. I guess they get more credit and like fitness right. And because it's sexual is and so course right but when it comes to powerlifting you of got brushed off the side it was like we're gonna have this competition and then it's going to be super sick day. To is going to be pro. Ants could be the best lifters in the world and they're gonna get cash but it was always just men women would lift on one day and teenagers or whatever and then it was like the dudes would lift the next day. And i was like. That doesn't seems kinda screwed up. I'm like these. Women seem like they're really just unbelievably strong. So let's kinda put some focus on that and let's let's show people with these women are capable of doing another thing that i did to kind of help to showcase different things in powerlifting. Was i made a cross category. In addition to that we had raw single ply multiply like most federations. Didn't have that. But the federation. I went with the reason why i went with them. I went with a southern powerlifting federation. Which is a story. That's not important necessarily but like why would you be in california and go with the southern power thing federation. It was simple because they offered the most opportunity for people to lift. If somebody wanted to lift raw they. Could you got keep in mind. Ten years ago there was not raw categories in powerlifting. If you lifted you just lifted amongst Whoever was wearing powerlifting gear as well and so if you bench three fifteen and someone else bend six hundred and a bencher tough luck you got blown away. You know and i didn't. I didn't like that didn't think that was. I didn't think that was great. I thought that if we if we if we put a little more emphasis on females if we put a little bit emphasis on there's many different forms of powerlifting and we've we just say hey anyone can come into this. We don't really care what you wear. But you're gonna go into your own category. It might open things up for people to be more open minded to get on the platform in the first place and it might make this damn sport that i love which is kind of boring. It might help make it might help make it a little bit more exciting when i opened things up and how to cross fit a category People really frustrated. 'cause they're like wiser cross category and that was so simple. It was just the fact that there was a lot of crawfoot boxes popping up around the country. You didn't have to necessarily anything crazy to prove that you're across fit or you didn't have to like come in there and do fran or anything but it was just kind of the honor system and we wanted to allow people that were doing. Cross fit just the honest competition that they can go to where they don't have to compete with veteran powerlifters that just completely smoke them. Because a powerlifter that would be Strong in a way class of guys that are Pretty high level to cross fit across. It would be like someone like jason khalifa who may be dead lift like five fifty maybe bench. You could mess around three fifteen because squat around. Four zero five those numbers for a powerlifter for our season powerlifter. Those wouldn't those numbers wouldn't cut it like he was just would not be able to compete so i was like well. These men and women they They do cleans snatches. They run miles. They they do these crazy crawford workout. So they don't focus on powerlifting. But how cool would it be to offer powerlifting to them. So now they can kinda pop in here and people were just people really pissy about it. But in the end he gave powerlifting more exposure. And so again there's another kinda case of just. Hey you know be a little bit more open mind and maybe we could find something else here. No reason to get mad about it. That's cool i didn't. I didn't really know that or maybe. I just didn't pay attention to that. But that's a break ingenious idea to bring more people to powerlifting earlier. You said something about skydiving and it just made me want to ask you. Which one is scarier. Skydiving or bungee jumping both are scary. But i have bungee jump. Befo you have. Uh oh yeah. When i was younger. I didn't care as much about any of that stuff. Some of my friends have told me like it has to do with being a dad. I had other friends have told me that it has to do with like getting big. But i don't know i don't know if kuwait's to that but like you know i did get up to like three hundred and thirty pounds and when i got to be like three hundred remember. I was like pretty scared to get on a plane. I started getting worried. I was going to get trapped places. Because i was like larger picture. If this picture if you grew like five inches you know. He's just like you'd like shit man. I don't fit anywhere of weird. Yeah and that's kind of up and you know my shoulders are wider a bigger person. And the ed kind of made me panicky. Like everything else seems smaller which it was because i was bigger home. Can i get a hey now so it was. It was weird. But yeah i have i have i have bungee jump for. I think the most important one of the more important things here is just beyond conventional. You know we talk about being made of something different and People have heard the steve jobs of think different We heard andrea of talk about Think less you know but actually if you think less you'll be thinking differently because most people think too much but beyond conventional and when someone's doing something a certain way sack kind of wonder what the opposite of that you know. I wonder Let's say you're struggling right now and you're having a really hard time losing weight would if you were to say i wonder what the opposite of this would look like like. What's they'll help you point out all the errors right. You should be able to kind of look at yourself and reflect on the things that you're not doing correctly if you are applying some unconventional thought to it and you're just thinking like what would the opposite of me self sabotaging myself every day and me continuing to weigh over three hundred pounds. What would what to other people do. What are some people that have shown that they can go from weighing three fifty down to be in two fifty. What's common amongst those people. What do they do. I think i think you can kind of walk yourself through some of those things and just think to yourself well at the moment. Maybe it's not necessarily that. You're not open minded but you're stuck on these habits but maybe if you're more open minded you'll be able to investigate other diets and maybe a land on diet. That will work better for you than things you've tried previously. Maybe currently you're like. I ain't trying to admit fasting because i'm a big guy and if i fast. I know that i'm going to die and i i know that i only carbs or if i start weighing stuff man. I heard people tell me. That's a slippery slope because then you start cheating just give it give it a go you know. Just just start at. Just do it for a day you know. Don't don't try. Don't don't think about don't think about you might or don't try to actually do it and see just some of the stuff that i work on when it comes like making the state shake When it comes to making some new products. And i'm working on at the moment. I just went on amazon and ordered a bunch of like cocoa. A bunch of stevia a bunch of aalyah lows a bunch of arithmetic. Tall xylitol. anything at all. You know i. I ordered like all kinds of stuff just to like like i'm going to figure out these fucking flavors myself. I have people that work on the flavors for me. And they're formulators. They know what they're doing but who better to try to make something than someone who knows nothing about it. It's it's actually like you end up. This is a weird way to word it but you end up being so dumb that that you're numb to the concepts that somebody else would believe that they're already bought into no. You don't do it that way. That's not the way you do flavoring like fuck you. This is the way that i do flavoring kitchen. Before and one of my main things would smell kitchen is. There's no rules. Like i'm just trying to make taste good for my palate. I know the ingredients that work for my palate. I know the way to cook. That works well for me. If i'm trying to cook for other people. I might have to start to follow some other rules. I might have to start to think about it a little bit more and say i you know. Most people probably don't like that much salt. Most people probably don't like that much butter or whatever it is maybe some people don't even like those cuts of steak or whatever. Now i gotta start to think about it more but making stuff for myself you know. And that's when i'm putting together these like recipes and making a stake shake and these different things. There's something there's like these little tiny. I can't really say what they are because they're part of the products but there's these little tiny tricks that i figured out myself. That helped us make these products at that. Didn't come from you know. I'm not the kind of person. That's just going to randomly like white label stuff. We're going through a rigorous process where tasting this stuff and over again. We're trying we're working on making it better. Were adding expenses to the products. That doesn't make any sense because the product already sold out but here i am working on like no it needs to be better needs to have more of this needs to be more like that And that's unconventional thought. And that's being you know open minded to you know pushing the envelope like. Don't worry bout when anybody else has ever done before. Let's focus in on doing things unconventional in our own way. And if i hear stuff along the way from ron pana or eighty for seller or these other people that have executed really well and the giants in in the supplement industry. Then faulk yeah. I'm going to listen to some of that. I'm going to be open minded to some of those things. I'm honed in and focused on a lot of the things i'm working on as well. Yeah i don't know the exact same thing but it's something along. The lines of the nail that sticks out gets hammered right if somebody has some unconventional thoughts or You know processes or philosophies whatever they want to go against the grain. they're gonna received some backlash. How do you advise people to just how to deal with that sort of thing. I think I think you have to look at criticism in multiple ways. Sometimes you have to look at criticism and say. I don't think they understand me that well. I don't think they understand what i'm trying to do that. Well but then. Secondly i think you have to be open and honest about why. They don't understand what you're trying to do. It could very well be that your ideas stupid. You know there's a possibility that it's not great. There's a possibility that the criticism they have for you. Now if someone's is like if you post a picture like hey i just you know. I sewed this thing together like this. I'm made these gloves for motorcycles. Or or shooting. My new gun and the first comment is that looks dumb. That's not that's not a that's not a legitimate criticism that can be helpful in any way. it's not even worth engaging in in any way it's just somebody just literally just trying to shoot down what you said if someone If someone was to say. Oh my god i had the same handgun. I have the same problem. I wonder what it'd be like if the gloves were more like this now you got some you know or you have a family member who's like hey man you shirt like family members have weird ways word. Anything sometimes man. You sure you're going to go with that but maybe they have a legitimate question about it. Maybe they're not trying to just knock you down so be open minded and be looking for stuff and be open minded enough to recognize that as we say many times on this show hurt. People hurt people if someone's trying to hurt you because you have a cool idea you're trying to do something new or different. You're trying a new job. You're trying a new diet and somebody's trying to shoot that down. The next question is why are they trying to shoot this down. You only have to even ask them about it but you can sit there and think about it for a second and when you respond to them i mean you could crush people really bad you can say wow. That's interesting i i. I was kind of expecting that you would be a little supportive. They'll be like Ah or you could just ignore. I usually just ignore. I usually ignore that stuff for me. I have concepts that have been the have worked. But i'm also open minded enough. I think sometimes to recognize that. The i could still be more optimal thinks. It's still be better. So i mean you've given me suggestions and seem as give me suggestions. We all give each other all share stuff. And sometimes i can implement it and it works great and other times. I'm like at doesn't work for right now. But that is a good criticism. I'm gonna keep track of that. We should be like to sprawl example. Let's get together a website like we've been talking about a website. We've been talking about selling stuff on power project for probably we probably mentioned it. nearly two years ago we haven't done anything whether you were still working on it. You know what. I mean like just little things like that and i recognize the value of that but also don't want to just dive into something have something that is like half hearted. I wanna make sure that we can actually do it. I can make. I wanna make sure that we're Actually headed in the right direction. We actually are. We have a company That has done. The slingshot website. They just finished the within you. Website the next website to work on his the power project website. So some of these things they take a little while to implement. But i don't think there's really a lot of good reasons to to sit around and fight with people about these things. Sometimes you might have to defend yourself a little bit. I think really. What when. I'm after what i'm trying to work on is. Let's let's be on the same side. Let's let's work on. And i'm guilty of being like the war on carbs guy saying like. Hey man you don't need to count calories. The word need is. The word need is an interesting word. That's you know in in that narrative right there where it doesn't really make any sense to communicate that the people some people may need to count calories that may be the most effective strategy for them to maintain their body weight the way that they want or phlegm to lose body weight the way they they want or for them to gain body weight the way that they want. So it's not useful for me to mention that at all even though i personally. Don't choose to count calories. What's more useful to me is if someone says. Hey man you know. I'm really struggling. I've been counting calories. Here's what i've been doing. What do you think i should do. It doesn't do me any good to bash some of their current beliefs. What would would probably be. The most helpful is say. Hey man joined the club. A lot of people have a hard time getting lean. And i don't know if you know about these other diets but there's like a kito diet there's a carnivore diet. There is there's a way to utilize protein leveraging. There's way to these things and they all do. You're working on when you count your calories. They all basically are nixing out calories from your current situation from your current diet regimen. But maybe you have to reevaluate the way that you're counting calories. Maybe you're ending up compliances the science right and so you have to find when people say you have to find something that works for you. I don't necessarily believe that there's that there's any diets that don't work for any particular people. i think. All diets work for everybody. I think the problem sometimes is is that people don't wanna follow that particular diet so that's what they're trying to communicate. I tried kito. It didn't work for me. They probably mean i utilized a ketogenic diet for awhile. I don't love to eat that amount of fat. Therefore i had to bow. I thought it was disgusting. You know. I barely even like to eat meat. And the carnivore diet. Didn't work right for me. All that makes total sense However again i would say that. If i put a person on akito genyk any person and we equated for calories and we acquainted for the amount of protein that they eight. We could get them to lose weight. Each person is different. If someone is obese yesterday could have hormones that are In a little bit in the way of them making progress and so you might have to tweak the calories a little bit more they might need a tiny bit less than someone of a similar body weight because their body is their metabolism their bodies just kind of a little bit inefficient bringing body fat but it doesn't mean that they can't lose weight. We can put that same person on a mediterranean diet. We put that same person on a very high carb diet. Does that person respond differently than other people to the same diets. Yes of course they do but it doesn't mean that they can't lose weight again. I'll repeat. I think all diets work for everybody literally. They work for everybody if you can comply to if you can utilize them for a while and when i mean comply to the diet i'm referring to figuring out some sort of energy balance figuring out a way for me. I don't think that. I need to hone in on the energy balance. Because i hone in on making good food choices. Which in the end Is the same thing as when i just don't i don't happen away food. I don't happen to track my food. But what do i do. I weigh myself a look in the mirror every two three weeks. I take measurements. Are these measurements heading in the right direction. If they're not you know the scale the scale is a way to measure like i you know instead of weighing my food each time were Part partitioning it out into different things that in my fridge or into different tupperware i just choose to weigh myself if i am trending downward i'm to thirty five one day couple days later on to thirty three a couple of days later. I'm you know to thirty couple of days later to twenty nine a couple of days later on to thirty couple of days later to twenty seven like it's going to go. It goes in weird patterns like that right then. I know that things are going the right way. If i have two or three days that were kind of off plan or just over eight. The scale goes from to thirty one starts going to thirty three to thirty five to thirty. It's like whoa like. Hey let's get back to eating a little bit less or figuring out something a little bit different. Maybe having leaner of protein for a minute. That's that's how i do those things but having an open mind. There's no it doesn't help you to get married to anyone principal idea. It's just hurtful. You do what. I like to call and our buddy daniela. Radio has pointed out before you challenge your own progression. All i'm trying to do is get people to open up their ears. I would like for people to listen to the messages that i have. If i'm gonna get people to listen to the messages that have. It's not helpful for me to say something degrading to somebody. It's not helpful for me to say something really. Negative is not helpful for me to sit here and talk about politics there too I'm an open person. I don't mind saying almost like whatever but those things are too inflammatory. It gets to shut down my god. I can't believe that he believes that. Now i'm not right but if you're hopefully we're all on the same side which is the side of trying to assist and help people to fight each. And every day the figure out ways of controlling their diet controlling their habits with their nutrition. That's all i'm trying to do you know. And if we can put aside some other differences on what race we are what our beliefs are with our religion. What are beliefs are with this or that. Then that would be great but a lot of times we a lot of times. We all struggle not all a lot of times many of a struggle with that and so therefore those topics that aren't great to talk about because then people go and they shrink down the brain and they're like no crazy person can't believe can't believe he believes in that can't believe he's supportive of john cena. Who's sitting right here on the on the podcast. That kind of stuff you know. And so i am even though i did have a race to zero followers for a while and even though i still kind of you know i still kind of would love to just assist people to get over the hump on that and have a mindset. That is strong enough to not be pulled one way or the other and utilize social media as a platform as a testing ground to test. Your the strength of your body mind and spirit every single time you go on. They're like see if you can knock it triggered by anything see if you can not end up posting something negative. You know if you're going on there to like check stuff out like questioning yourself a little. What are you looking for. Are you looking at like friends. That you hate doesn't make any sense. Are you sitting there with your significant other green. Like hey look at this person again is know. Can you believe that right and you get in this like it's just the shut it off. Now leave something nice. Hit the like button or or get the hell out of there before you end up Just kind of being part of that that whole mess and you know. I think it'd be helpful if You know all the way from les norton all the way to paul salad. Dino all the way through to stand effort to myself to jay cutler to anybody talking about nutrition and some of these concepts it'd be helpful for all of us to be more on the same side because all that we're trying I heard here is set. all kinds. Of flack all the time. Like i just i see. That guy is being pretty helpful. Yes i understand. People might not like how excited and fired up. He is all the time. Maybe he's not everybody's cup of tea because he's loud and i think he's entertaining and i also just don't take life so seriously so i think he's funny but again my closest i'll be in the same side. Greg do set has the ability to help millions of people. He's able to draw a lot of attention more plates more dates. That guy's got the ability to get people to listen to him. I'm all for it some of the people that we have on the podcast that we've had disagreements with. Most of those people are really helping a lot of people. The recent doctor that we had on we didn't agree with you. Know some of the stuff that he said and it kinda got a little frustrating at times because each challenge his own progression and he was open minded and so many other areas and we were like. Why isn't he a little bit more open minded in this one spot. It would have been nice. But he just wasn't. But that's okay allotted times people that move the needle and people that change the world are on compromising and it's kind of tough way to end the show because we are talking about being open minded but the people that are uncompromising are people that usually have different different ways of thinking altogether. Almost like an elon. Musk one hell of saturday. School mark is not even saturday. Bro i know we will buy time people here that it'll be saturday so technically right now. It is saturday even though it's still friday i'm pretty upset with you right now. What i do. You won't tell me about this fucking futuristic thing that you're able to do you got a flux capacitor or something like you're always talking about the future like all this is gonna happen with these people and You know. I thought we were friends. Well we are okay. Brian morals not anymore but second. I still can't tell you about the flex capacitor and it needs blinker. Fluid to run I forgot how many gigawatts that actually equates to but a lot it is a lot like a lightning strike. My share everything else with me. Bitten game awesome new. Thank you for that appreciate it. I think the class will appreciate it as well. Did we delete that part about your aunt. I don't wanna get thrown in jail for the blackbox. Oh i think she's okay. She should be in. There's got to be what's statute of limitations enough. I've said that right. Whatever that term is hate when you find out. You can't say a word. It's doot on the worst so like full-bore on tiktok right now and you've gotta create your own personal account you gotta get on it and somebody's took my freaking my my handle the i am andruzzi. Someone took those i can do at. I am andrew underscore z. And he's like. I don't like that i'm like yeah because i don't like it either because i don't say underscore correctly i say good now but like i said it incorrectly frank my whole life and i'm not gonna do that. Yeah no it's too much too much. Yeah all right well. let's get on outta here. i will thank you. Everybody for today's saturday school links to all kinds of cool shit down and description below as well as podcast show notes if he has like this episode. Please make sure you let us know At mark power project on instagram at mb. Power project on tiktok in twitter. My instagram and twitter is at andruzzi. And tiktok at the andruzzi is that person. Took my son of a yes. The app like hit that person up in the comments and be like give him back. His screen name or handle is get shipped for calling it. A screen name to You're so old fuck. Relax bro yeah chill out. Where are you at work. I'm all over the place on tiktok com on instagram on twitter. On all that stuff. I'm mark smelly bell strengths. weakness weakness. Never catch you guys later. Thank you for listening to saturday school. Make sure your share this out catch you later.

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EP4: Irkutsk y Lago Baikal

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37:03 min | 11 months ago

EP4: Irkutsk y Lago Baikal

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Sdan fr du dine produkter p Amazon

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26:22 min | 1 year ago

Sdan fr du dine produkter p Amazon

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