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ANDY COHEN

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ANDY COHEN

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You know what we need no introduction. We will he is I would say the daddy. The first responder in our midst of the real housewives franchise he is the king of bravo. He has a new show on e called for real the story of reality. Tv all about evolution creation of reality tv. I thought he created it. You did not. But he capitalized on it. And we've capitalized on him. And that's what i learned from. The show was that he did not create reality. tv which. I'm still not sure about i. I wanna see some fact checking. This is a man who i will say. I'd like to describe him. Because i think he's known for the same things that teresa from new jersey last night said she was known for and that's her eyes and her ass. Please welcome andy. Cohen by crossed is and my tiny hiney. Andrew cohen views them. So happy to see you. This is thrill. Thank you for being here. We always love having you. I really appreciate you. Haven't made that doesn't sound rail. Trust we want to show you some. Respect and dawn are interviewer today just to really. We have not love and i also i also am excited because we had three. I was so sites when i saw this today. Because i was like. Wow we had really strong jersey. Dallas perhaps the strongest episode of dallas of the season i think for xi and atlanta. So you know. It's a good week to be here. I think it's a great week. I mean it's always a good week and our opinion by andy. let's get right into the episodes. What okay we got us with atlanta. We just have to know everything that's going on inside your heart and mind when you first saw the cut of bolo bolo oh it. Just take us from man. Yeah we want to know what were your son. He's i could at first of all. I have got to salute the post team at truly entertainment this year. Who have been really thinking outside the box this season especially and when i see the when i saw the interview setup with kenya in the sharon rookie. I was like oh well. We're really in for it. And she's she's acting and this is a setup and this is a choice and i loved it and then you know. Listen anytime you see and negotiation with the crew. Where they're saying okay. Are the cameras going to be down. And then you see the cameras going off. But there's one that's still on your in for a great time and bolo i just. I thought it was wonderful. I don't ascribe to the witch witch-hunts that's happening to find out. Who did what with who. I don't think in this day. And age of sex positivity. It's the thing you know cares. I'm so happy it happened for them. It's it's such a fun night. Like when i saw the women of dallas no offense to them like sitting around with their weird care extension as shaman. I'm mike everybody needs to see what's happening on atlanta like we're getting ness cams. We're using those weird like doorbell cameras or whatever like they're taking things to another level. I especially hope beverly hills has and i also want to say that the women of atlanta bring me so much joy their joy is so addictive. And so it's spreads throughout to even when we're getting a bolo party which is huge and amazing and like covers ten episodes or even when we're just in shamas basement or the nieces party yes which was at a party city. Banner like the hardee's of youth in some kids basement. Where like atari was the pick of alex. I was ju- it was so much joy and fun that i needed. The who i think is really great is drew. Oh yes i never had. Someone wanted to make their booty. Clap more average. Joe and is so appreciative of it. She's so fun. She is all colors of the rainbow. She's giving us a lot. I feel like i feel like. She's a really strong housewives and she may be came in sleeper. And then you're like. Wow she's she's very likable. I think oh my god. I love lake claps back like in the funniest game for fun and i love toya to twenty a different flavor by toyah bringing fun. There's some comp complex energy's going on there may be at war with oneself. wait until you see her balance. Halloween part suite. We have a halloween party at fallon costumes. And unfortunately your wars wearing Dress i saw the pre. I did not. I didn't wanna bring that brings the mood down. Okay andy this is a question so we you know you ask your you always asked. Listeners are sending their questions and we did the same maybe weren't flooded but we got some no. We did get a lot actually unavailable to ask a question too. It's not like this is a unique opportunity. This is your one and only chance. You'll never guess you'll never you'll never get him. He's not he's not available in any other venue except for this loud number. But i feel like you're just answering a landline just questions. But this everyone wants to. And it's truly. My favorite question to win is marlow getting her. You know i don't know. Obviously that's a conversation we have all the time. Is the right amount of marlow that we're getting now do we do. Is there a need for it. I understand the rallying cry and i respect it and it's an ongoing conversation. Okay very back. This is like what my manager tells me when i'm not going to get a role and Ongoing conversation they love you there bowie. Nfl you yes. There's such. Oh my god there's such fans so many people are in your corner. Okay wow well. I just feel like all the women at that party brought it so much. Do you think someone on our show has asked like should some of the anti retire. Just and i'm going to throw out a scindia bailey. Who i love. None of this is not about loving no and someone even asked for candy. Not these people are bringing stole much. And i don't agree with that but i'm just curious like should a younger guard be assured in. I think i don't like the idea that of it needs to be younger. I think i guess. I meant newer energy. Not a young. You think the us shuffling of the jack is always interesting. I think that you know. Cynthia is someone who i think has gotten such a rap over the years as being people have accused of being boring boring. But if you look at the story that she's generated in the things that have happened to her and i just felt so bad for her this week on her wedding. I mean she was really. I've never seen her so down as she was at her rehearsal. Dinner the papa. John's and the who i mean now i mean the pop now walking around that nine of trying to figure out the ball. Oh i love the low energy laney. And i'm i'm robin mel's hulse raider. A qualm laid. You know what i mean. Yeah she's been through three of these weddings with cincinati like and and his mother always and i love them but there are a bit of a wet blake like in the best like we need that but there are always like. Here's something bad them hiding. That wedding certificate will there will never be a more iconic wedding on the. How drives this at the zoo in the dinosaur hall. That was and they're like no like that was available. It was so amazing. i do love her. Yeah i guess. I love cynthia you but i have a question about when it is time for some move on because i know you work with a team. I think a lot of us. I just picture you behind like one big desk with the says housewives on the edge of it on another. You grew yes. Are you texting each other being like. Here's a controversial thought. So and so goes. Is everyone throwing back thumbs up so like how dare user as we had a. We had a really provocative call a few weeks ago early in the season early in a season. That is on right now about like what if we did this shocking thing or that chocolate the so. I think there are always things that we discuss. And sometimes they happen and sometimes they own and it. Also we like to see how season progresses and how people feel about. You know see how the audience is feeling about someone. And then i have to say people's performance at reunions make a big difference. You know like mary husband of the salt lake reunion. She went in as a sleeper and yes she fell asleep as well. She amongst asked the i. But i thought that was such a strong Performance of the reunion by. Mary and i thought she had a lot of really smart things to say. You kind of saw the preacher in her and she was. I thought she was great. So i think the reunion performance makes a difference. I love you even call it by. No we're gonna we're gonna get into your new show but it's kind of like that is now the crossovers like it is a performance. Look alive yard and as speaking of salt lake. I know you've you've addressed this a little bit but it was a big question. We've got which is about. Mary like kind of coming out of the closet really because she was filmed a lot in her class. Really literally you know the truth. Is i think there were discussions about whether she was going to be fulltime or a friend based on her connectivity with the group and so i think that was. The result of that conversation was was what you saw. It was a listen. It was a season one show and considering that it was so strong. And i i m snow glad was there and She was certainly fun to talk about and fun to see when we got to see her and snow. But it almost made you want more for and than by the reunion to see. Your shine was really good fun. Because there's so much going on there. But i was tearing up when when granddaddy came on and danielle's attracted to him what's attracted to him. I said i said. I was attracted to whitney's band is is whitney's about whitney's that nada word oh we. I cannot be aware. There's no doubt that that grew from a person. No one could make that hairstyle up. but what. i said no i- granddaddy. I came around to him because he did make me cry. And i was glad that he's again. I the fact that he married. His granddaughter is a bit too far from me. just personally. I'm on board with a now. I fully with right. She made a grandfather moving on now. I'm so past all of that. He was not you was at the beginning. Really not happy to be there. Very nerve edified away who can blame him his marriage and suddenly under eiger scope. It's unusual santa. Least and i was very nervous about how was going to go and i spend a fair amount of time massaging and talking to him about. I know you don't want be here and i'm sorry dotted out at. Mary was kind of nodding at me the whole time. Like okay good good. You make better parolin her. You and mary tag teamed and managed him beautifully. It was a real anger. But i always say about. Whitney's father yes he was. His was a heartbreaking story. But when i saw him in his element in the hair school really taking it to his expertise. You know what. I mean when you see someone being good at something of a john tip he shined. He came alive for me. I saw the man behind the scissors. And i was a yeah. I mean i'm attracted genuinely this isn't like trying to be funny or whatever and it may. I don't think it is funny at all to cameron. West coast has been court really. I know absolutely. I've always liked to shorter. Gentlemen the way he like. It's so unfair. He hides things from her. Love at westcott has cheese reaching porsche. Highs reaching forty high of merge. She's so funny. He's wild here so she the fact that she when i saw her in her like hair towel drive in the dogs through the streets. Tallus trying to get out of the house like that was an iconic personality. I love cameron about dallas. Andy because i thought this was an amazing season tiffany's here who i love love tipping. I think we're we're very involved with our work store eight. Which is my only small. Although i really enjoyed hearing that to you. But i really feel for tiffany. And i've kind of i was so happy. Throw a party last week. I was crying when she walked into see. The party. thinks she's a great person. I think he's trying really hard. I know and then when she said last week you know this isn't. I've never been a girls girl. I've never had a group of girlfriends like this. It really it was very touching. I thought and it made you understand her reticence to be doing tequila shots of carey stomach all day. I mean they also keeps shoving her in bodies of water while she yes no chaos area about that. She said the lake wasn't deep. But i know it was dark. Don't you can't tell how deep in also late in general i for a lake and she kept trying. I've been at that blaze where you're like. I'm trying to make people like me. Then you reach your brink and you start crying. It's triggered me. I was like i feel that from is square. I feel left out. And i'm trying. I really liked to and i. She's giving me great housewives energy in terms of her beauty her wealth and her ability to try to fit in. Those are all house. Wipe getting out of your comfort zone. Those are all beautiful housewives to get their three homes. That i'd posit on and we tried. We show an exterior shot. Because i'm so fascinated by geography of what's happening in those vanderpump used to be one. Yeah those homes are tiffany from dallas. Who i it looks like has an incredible estate if you gaz it right before they go in the second one is candy because i'm always fascinated in the geography of all of those homes and then the third one for different reasons is jennifer. Aden's me beiber glaus castle. That looks it looks to be very expensive. But then you see. It's on quite a narrow lot. But that's a metaphor for all of them. They look to be expanded. Lot really throws it last night on jeter for eight houses. I am dying. Because i'm like what it's it's huge but then you look at the thing and it's like a wait are they. Sharing driveway was somewhat exit. And it's backed up to the barabbas. I mean i think marj was like yeah you can hear the highway. She's so a marches new teeth or settling and that has an interest. I feel like me vanderpump. No hyogo got new. T and everyone else fell in line. It was then like van or no did vanderpump get them for. I can't remember who but then it was like all of a sudden housewives everywhere. And ramon i remember when she was like getting new teeth. I can't do what happens. I whose doctor are you going to. She's like i'm going to kyle. I'm like all right okay. And there's also going to each other doctors as a little. i love. this is what i need to hear is about the new teeth because they're using to these trends actually somewhat asked us a little bit off topic but there's a new trend. I guess it's been a few years now. Really sitting down with mental health professionals were bringing in the best and the brightest therapists sitting down to you guys pick the therapist darren does durant as chiropractors lash pissed which was on coach guy. And then the shaman. Hairdresser who all these are all lots hyphen eric. Derrick may be the biggest charlotte's and we have had been behind every single one of them. There's a galaxy of charlotte sense that you're dealing. I know and i'm leaving jerick above the las vegas mediator and i remember go back with me jersey when they went to like lake placid or something to mediate with joe and joe gordon. Joe gorgas hairspray all over them when they got that fight and those two coach people who were standing there like they wanted to do some floor exercise and it turned into like a gang bang and then we like we helicopter dr v. Neighbor that when you guys. We need to get dr here. We've brought up. That was my idea which didn't necessarily work. We're he's ideas. i see. i don't want you talking about the making of it but it just fascinates me like. Are there emergency meetings. Do you have on your schedule. I gotta talk to granddaddy and convince him like your schedule. Must be such so weird you know. I was more in the weeds. In the first. When i was in charge of production of robbo i was more in the day to day weeds for those first ten years and i will say in the house and not to say that. I'm not still waiting through weeds. It's just different and had shifted which is good. Do they all have your cell phone number most of them. Do god andy or did they pass it along to the other. One at someone's like dan or gave me this. Will you know what's funny is the the the newer cities which are potomac dallas. There of them have it and then some of them who do have it have said to me so and so once your number of checking if if it's okay for me to give it to them and i'm like well of course they're you're all you're on samba. Show so you all can you on any go to a separate cell phone or house is found like you just have you know and that one rang. I remember when it first when cell phones and texting i started. I remember like gretchen and slade. Texting me at all hours and it'd be like not like texting now. Can it just happen. Is it not just during business hours. That was news to as women. No business hours. We're just let let's take a quick break and come right back with andy. Articles new outdoor collection is here shop. Three refresh looks that featured the laid back elegance of our loungers and sectionals refined design of solid teak dining sets and decor highlighted by bold pops of color. A trio of inspiration. Make your outdoor space. One that'll be hard to come inside from. 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Apo s. t. r. o. p. h. e. dot com slash housewives and use that code housewives to get your dermatology visit for fifteen dollars off and we thank apostrophe for sponsoring this podcast. We are back with sir. Andrew cohen. I have a question because we were talking about dallas. And i really wanna get into deandra mama d because that is like gothic. It is southern tennessee williams drama and when mama destroyed all the at first of all i can't get my head around. Does mama d mamadee. Hate or love deandra. Because every time in her instagram. She says something terrible to deandra like she's always like dogs in the pantry again. Just like deandra danielle's obsessed with this shade. Mamadee throws deandre. She takes me everyday. She's like here's the new one. Like i follow it. Were like every day. I check with mama ds staff and so this week when my first of all. Why was mama the surprise guys. Tiffany mamadee honestly and you're going to see some Some some very sweet moments with them coming up but they have a very they have a real at a special relationship. So i was so happy when she came in and when she told her story about marrying for money and about stocking glenn simmons and that and that deandra changed her name to simmons because he can do more for her own my guy might drop and she's like she did but that's just the truth but it was to sell your daughter like that because i have no doubt that deandra said that saw that meant it with oliver heart but to then sell your daughter to the wolves leg. That was shot. Like i can't imagine doing that. Could you imagine doing that to your shock. And i feel like the fact that we have. Tiffany is almost too much to ask which is now we have someone that is the career that mamadee would respect. And i can't imagine. I don't know where we're headed but deandre not like turning on tiffany. Almost if not. I think the enders got deeper reservoir on the d. has told the other women they don't do anything in tiffany. Oh she said they said. She said they bought sit all day buying barbie beautiful. Now can we talk. Touchdown brandy for a second. The red headed wonder. Have you heard the news from this week. And i did. I mean there was a little a video that came out of that appeared to be brandies husband the other red-headed wander kind of at a club or something which also just mainly exists cova. What's happening with covert of it. All with no mediocre meteorologist. We don't know yeah. I didn't even think about it. I was like this was yesterday all very old. We don't know when that's you know now. A crowded club. We don't know when that's from. I will say i was. I went on twitter the other night when dallas was on to see what people were saying and it really the things people were saying to brand the and i was like wow. This video came out. Her mother-in-law died in a car crash with her daughter in the car a few months ago. She just had a baby she could be having post part like she's i was like maybe people could. Maybe just lay off for tonight. You'll you know like wow. it was just. It was brutal on twitter. I was like okay. Maybe i was. I hope she's not on twitter today. Well and also we've heard that she's struggled with depression in the face of the other thing that happened with our like he. I mean i'm hoping we know who if anyone can help her through a notch. Jesus spite week of course deandra calls her a cafeteria christian. I had to look that up. Is i've never heard of it but i loved it. It was the greatest google of my life yes and it was from cafeteria catholic which is like when one person in a face starts judging other people with inside the faith and like being the arbiter of what's right. Yeah i'm like randy. You have so many thoughts as do we all that to sit in judgment of shaman With bad hair is just not the the lookie wanna be going for right now. You look inside. Look inside brand. I think i wasn't quite quite wasn't dropped in not that there's anything bad about it but but brandies level of kind of christianity or like her devotion to jesus. Maybe i missed something but it seems to have seemed. She's leaned on him and he carried her on the beach. I how bustards about that shoe. And i said is this something that she's that as a result of what she did lash year and fallout. Did she embrace kreis more as a result of that and the answer was no. She's always been pretty religious but she's asking for forgiveness from other people for basically what she did. How dare she then turn around and say what you do is wrong that it's so hypocritical. It's so gross. It seemed Danielle was the person on twitter. Teams bashing randy. That us look i. I'm trying to have empathy as we all we all. But i do think that when you're asking for other people to give you empathy for your mistakes for your quote unquote sins. Then how dare you cast stones. That's all i'm saying. You know what she hasn't given other people break. So why do we give her a really good point. Genio thank you andy. That means a lot beginning of giving people a break andy. A lot of questions and this has been my burning question. It's both about erica. Jane and meredith marks up repugnance. But there's one. Are you saying the bucket of not opening up. Yes sir. I am because it's like i for my job if i showed on that and i don't know my lines like that's it you know i don't and i don't have the power to make one misstep but i will say it's like you are being paid to tell us your life and i know what you're gonna say. Maybe i don't know but you know it's this legal but i'm like ease on down the road guys if you're not willing to show me if i don't hear about tom and in the dementia and the plane if i i. I'm turning on erica. She's walking. Oh sorry listen. This is what you have to know. We started shooting beverly hills and everything was this all happened as we were shooting so and she continued shooting. And so you've seen watt unfolding. Maybe she said to herself. Look this is my. This is my platform and i'm gonna get my side of things out and i salute her. She's always been wonderful and thank you. I love what. Amy totally corrupt. Your plane is absolutely correct. And it goes back to The season five. I think or six rony reunion where. I'm you know. Hammering ramona about questions about her divorce. With mario when she says to me who are you dating and i said i'll tell you when i go on a reality show you're on a reality show you been your life up and so we expect for you to do that now. I think that you'll be quite engaged with beverly hills. I understand people's concerns about beverly hills. The rhythm is different of that show and they have a and they always have from season one. A sense of. We're all on a tv show that none of the others cities necessarily share with the same intensity. I think because they live in l. a. And many of them are in the business and i think it adds it overlay to that show where they're not just doing a full trust fall for the cameras like you see on rony save more atlanta which is okay. Because that's what's brilliant about all the shows is they all have their own weird kind of boundaries and guidelines and like. Yeah okay last question before and then we want to get into your new show is what can you tell us about these rumors of an all star kind of housewives. I don't think i can tell you. Where meeker oh okay. Much like meredith. Tomorrow i receive. Thank you now lasting. Speaking of meredith marks daniel received a text before it went on before it went on instagram. Yeah it was hard for us to receive. And i i just was. I felt jealous. And i don't feel gels a lot. I know my place in this world much. Like mama yeah. We're i'm just jealous. Everybody's june was when we found out from our friend. Leslie grossman that you had sent her through the mail system Your your brooks marks tracks do gently us gently point. Okay now. Here's what brooke marks. I said on the reunion show. I want one of those tracks. I was sent to tracksuits a medium anna larch. I put on the large. And i was like maybe is not the large size i was like. Let me try the medium. the medium actually fit me better. I was like okay. good. I'm to wear the medium so i only just tried that lauren. John it was sitting there. And i was like wow who is going to be the lucky recipient of this large truck through. I mean if anything if you saw large you should have it over to me. I would never think. I would think of you as a petite first of all and second of all i i was going to give it to my talent producer anthony at watch what happens live and i'm coloring and then leslie grossman tweeted all i want. Or if i was going to golden globes. I would be wearing a brooks marks tracksuit if i knew how to find something and i was like. There's my answer number there that they want this tracksuit gently used at also probably too big. But i got her address through billy eichner and send it along and that's how that and the rest. No i'm happy for her. I love her and i. It felt like that's right. that was the right recipient. It's not that. I'm not happy for others. I'm sad for myself but also how would send it to you too ladies when there's only one we wait each other limb to limb wins would wear the bottom and one would wear the of course exactly. Okay we're gonna take one more break so many of us have had to put traveling on the back burner recently. 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Tv was pitched me by yuna murray said we're thinking of doing this they produce The world they produced the kardashians million shows. And i said wow this is. I would love to do this. I love reality. Tv it's a seven hour series limited series and we really lift the veil on all the great shows from the housewives to the kardashians to the real world. I cried when i reunited the real world new york as touch. I interviewed bachelor. I interviewed this couple from the bachelor. I'm not a big bachelor guy. But molly and jason from the bachelor. They really talked about producer manipulation in a very frank way that i found quite fascinating. I was also leaning in for my interview with several of the former contestants on one of my favorite shows the swan. Oh how is that. I've remembered these ladies from the day. I mean these were superstars in my world. I mean halley eleni. I remember her journey. And then i was so waiting to see these gals had held up with their cocktail waitress makeovers. Yeah and many. I would say there's a little wearing chair. They've grown into them. But i would say that they look they look good. I also had a brain to brain interview with mama june. She did have to google. You was shot. That was define her her at night. She revealed that she had spent was in half a million dollars or a million dollars on kids than a million dollars on. I said what did you spend it on cocaine. I was like. I ran into the belly of the beast. I went to khloe kardashians back yard the fact that you called her correct pronunciation which i did not know which is khloe. She seemed very touched. I always call her khloe. I give i to me. Khloe is the supreme carter. She of course. Ed she is. She's the one to me. he's why that show is on the air. I think you're right. I think you're right. Yeah so i will say it was. I saw candy jars in their natural environment. Why you did swinging big kind of bench out. Was i have to say you you you go you are. I was driven to this medical center in the valley. Where i got a cova test and i said are you going to give me the results now and the guy said no. They're going to take you to the house. I think they do this all visitors. They're going to take you to the house. If the second gate opens your negative on. Like i was like i was like yeah. I've done this before. Okay and like. I was like the second gate i at the second gate. Open guys like this. You know the next excellent we go there. I'm covid saying i mean. And then i go into the kardashians cocoon. Now i've obviously been to shoot for pows wives shoots and at many other bravo shows the lighting and amount of people to give you the quality that the kardashians deliver. This is not like handy. Cams you know and i mean it was an intense and i i walked on. I was like how. I need to know how long each of you have been inherent makeup like tell. You always ask the questions like. That's the only question i need. I appreciate it about was your opener. That was your strong opener to see with the kardashians. I wrote this down. It's felt so right. It's an itch that it was like. Oh something's harmonizing like in my body now that i'm seeing this q. Entities together right. And you can tell courtney really loves you and courtney's not my personal favorite. I don't love like coldness in someone but scotched. Does she. warm up around you. Well that's nice to hear She It was interesting. Because i was talking to them about what they get rough cuts of the show and i was talking to them about. What are you looking for. What do you take. What do you ask to take out. And what do you keep in. And it seems like You know beyond some small editorial stuff they do kind of. They're looking at their angles. So that's it. Just they're angry. Wouldn't we all wouldn't we all. They did a great job with that show and it was so interesting to kind of hear how it started and all of that and i will just say the fact that blew my mind the most in in your series that you really do go back to like. What's the formula of reality. Tv which i think the the gentleman from buna murray was saying he's like we kind of the two of them came together. Soap plus news equals reality. It was just like wow that is a. That's a beautiful concept that we all now start the real world which now it's like yeah and news. That's fallen away a bit but but here we but it but it is news as well like it so you go through the beginning of episode has its title like shocked. Tv's the one you categorize that like by like mama june and dr pimple popper and you know i wanna famous fayed all the for all the transformational ones. Then the sort of like like wish fulfillment. Which is the housewives and vanderpump rules and kind of all of those and i down here below deck most bravo episode on top shop. But those those are. There's the competitive show even seen like the queer eye on top chef and like the people with basically talent you sort of spread it out like the people with real talents but like ribs lilos. Yes but silos thank you. That's what they say. Danielle go sorry. Sorry i have to get more. Not are but even i was going like. I think i know everything about housewives and then to hear sort of all the women talk you have these great one on one interviews with candy and producers behind also. i love hearing from the producers. I always love your new producers and the stories that they know producer he's star he's us carlos is highlighting what whereas by the way was there for the first couple of seasons of jersey and the first carlos carlos knows where the bodies of their carlo seems to know things i loved. Candy's kind of producer that had been assigned to candy that ended up like being instrumental and candy and todd gummy together. It's really fascinating. This is things about reality that i always want to get up. But i feel like. I haven't the house you're not gonna the producers you know you'll hear their voices i it's a great show it really potomac how. I didn't know how you know. Just saying i was a little bit nervous. I didn't trust the program. And then i saw that my producers and the people that i be talking with the people behind the scenes were also women of color. And so i. I knew that. I could trust them in a way that they weren't going to exploit me in a way that i had been worried about which had porsche recently. And she was really talking to me about One of the women charge of atlanta are now instrumental. Her name is joy how instrumental she's been in just as a sounding worked for her because these people are there when amazing things are happening with them and horrible things are happening with them when the cameras go down they often turns into the person that's standing there and say you know. What am i gonna do with my life or whatever so it was great for me to hear specifically from porsche who i think. Has you know we've seen through so much that That spin a positive force in her life than how great that's been for her. I love pushes so much. Okay we're just gonna do a little lightning round. Oh in the show. I need to say it. Airs through march twenty-fifth nine pm on we'd saudi Ask you before you did that. What did you guys thinking wrong. Jennifer aiden this week. I can't believe we haven't talked. Rei there's there's so much we want to talk to you about well jenny. Bill we were saying. I love jenni built there now like my like ricky and lucy and i used to hate them now. I'm like oh there they go. How we we have turned one hundred eighty. I like the first season. I was like this gen. I enjoy her. I enjoy her vibe. I like her husband love for children. I love the kid sitting in the waterfall and the other kid like put like i love jennifer drunk like just like in down dog position. Forget patio was troubling for sure. You know she tequila in her. It's like i love it somehow. Size we know the drink that they need not tangled web. like we'd we'd know such intimate things. It was tough to watch but she kind of one my heart when she was like this is so embarrassed. I don't think i've heard house. I've ever say this is embarrassing. They had to stop the car so she could vomit out of the convertible like when you see them leaving attorneys say classy either way not sleep on the jersey shore episodes of jersey coming up. There is a job. Gorka moment coming up full of so much intent not in full of all of the intensity from the christening. Okay you recall is questioned episode. Its it airs in two weeks but next week is very good at ends at a very intense point and then the following week. It's really. it's. I've watched it several times. Very you love jen too. I love jennifer eight nine. She's really ground. I think she's also what grounds her is. All of the stuff with her family which is really really touching to see what's going on with the parents and her sister is now. You know. I love these sister and they come in a little worse for wear and they're just like i'm not fucking non makeup and they're like what are we gonna do about mommy and daddy and thanh. I love it grew at. That's also like poor sister who i also love. Who's always like just. I love us to lower key. Energy lower keys sister. it's beautiful theresa. Is salt lake filming already. Are they starting back up filming. It is winter and salt lake and we are knee deep in snow. Wow okay and alaska question is the covert of it. All you have to have a laugh at atlanta because i'm mixed on occasionally you're like oh god it's covert but then i'll be honest. I hope this isn't receive badly. But sometimes it's like i don't wanna feel cove when i guess what i mean. This is what you also have to remember especially when you look at orange county which was filmed which was just really catching air. When cove it happened they are shut down so many times and also atlanta. You guys. don't see it but we had to shut down so many times this season on atlanta. We shut down after cynthia's wedding two weeks out here. Not that was a one piece. I didn't have as much sympathy for cynthia in the papa. John's it came out. I was like cynthia. You have to always cynthia will. If she's going brands herself descent. She will go to the max with whatever she's doing like she will not allow the maddest full of covid. Listen so i mean look. I know that we don't wanna see it and we don't want to see but there was would we rather have no shows at all. No no no. I'm saying i'm appreciative of it. It's like see but then sometimes it falls away in a way that i appreciate and then sometimes it's perfect when porsche and when porsche came when the face shield on and his lowering herself watching When randy took a shot and knocked into her face shield. Bank you well. I love that. She uses her face. Shield for comedic effect like the prop for porta. She's always like. I have my glasses in my hands. She's always like boy like taking the lowering. Jamea shows up in a bejewelled face shield cup. I'm like what is happening but you know again. I mean we're i think that what's great about jersey the season and then new york also we. We figured out ways to for them to go to say ramona's house and spend five days there and they're under one roof and so it's freeing and so when you see the jersey women in georgia that in new jersey shore. There are little able to feel like. It's normal the norm. That's what i was saying about watching jersey the last few weeks. Because we're still you know we're out in california. We're still so lockdown and to just see them out and about having a summer and order of cranberry. It felt so good. Yeah i was just enjoying it like not even just the drama but just being on vacation with my girls. I really need that right now. After a year locked down at such a nice feeling to be on vacation last question. Jackie where are you. Do you think that. Jackie was making an analogy. Initially or yeah. It was no question in my mind. Okay though is a tough one but theresa. Yeah i mean the thing that you can never make an. i mean. it's why she. I mean i can see that that triggers a mother like analogy are no come on it triggers. Any of us to be called something on a national platform that we're not or have us associated with something. And i i have been that has happened to me and it's upsetting and you know the truth and it's not i guess she could have said look to reset. This would be the same. As if i seemingly made up something about jia and drudge you would really have to. I think she would have still been mad. I think she got the words. Jia drugs cocaine and that's those are the words that flashed her little mind just miss and you think that it has been his bopping around those gyms and whatnot very attracted to him. I bob around my favorite is meredith. Marxist husband as we all know. I love a jewish man. He is so gorgeous. I mean you have a bull's eye on meredith marx's back on her husband that's of course that feels right as rain. That's of course what's Okay quick lightning round of questions. We will get you out of here in one minute if you if you will. I'm what is grow with gorka. Don't try to parse that. Al just wondering i'm going to get back to you. Kelly died where are you at. You know it's interesting. I don't think you guys saw the last season. There was a reunion at the reunion. I said to her You know. Kelly i have been getting. Dm's for months saying that you should be fired like all the way through. And so many and she said well. I've been getting from people all year staying that your unamerican and i said oh because i don't like donald trump and she said yes and i thought that was such an important exchange because i was like you. Don't here's the thing. Kelly died from orange county where People share her beliefs in masks and other day. And so you know on the one hand she is a real housewives of orange county and this is what she believes and she's not an elected official and adly research. She's not michelle obama who we're looking at for this information so i guess that's just an amalgamation of of of thoughts that lead in no directions but it's the one thing i will say in reflecting on us now covering. Oc there is something. That's come to mind which is like well we we don't. There's a lot of these women we don't love. That has nothing to do with things things. They're up to and that sort of why i do love them as well. I mean this. You have to remember the basis of what this show has been about for many years. It's about women who you either share their viewer comps. -lutely not you think they're brilliant or completely clueless and you have judgments about them and they're not elected officials and it's up to you whether you think there are a role model or you know or yeah. I think it was the combination of this summer. And where we were out with the election that it hit harder with oc and when and when it came out. But i have been. I've been doing some deep reflecting on that. I had a question. Has michael darby pinched your bottom ever. He did pinch my bottom but he pinched after a wider. I had forgot and he reminded me at the reunion. Sue years ago when the bottom pitching was ray was like. I've seen it a bid. Someone's bottom here for this and then we were like in these like you. And i'm like did you. Now this is. I know i was. This is defense binge. Everybody's like wow. Who do you think is bringing at the most right now just across all city winds just just which is just to you shining the bright us. I mean i think this is the brilliance of this. Show that every week. Someone new i think cameron is really i think. Cameron and tiffany are really You know bringing it ought dallas. Right now i have my eye on drew at atlanta. And she's looking very strong season newcomers. Wrong or sean. They're all. I mean and then kyrie. Through that event i mean. They're john jay or john in something there and then jersey. I mean again. I think jersey is it such a ensemble show. It's a great energy. Right now is called the husbands and joe. Gorda is a housewife. right right into your house wave. he's a house way. Would you ever do house husbands. I don't think so. We cast the real house husbands of orange county in like season three of orange county and it was real boring. I'm not interested immense stories. I mean no offense. Listen it's thirty guys play poker while the women are gone or see them all. Go get drunk on a boat. But like yeah. Do you think last question that some housewives are coming in now little too polished or or they know the game because i still enjoy it like a gen shah doc on dab is. This horrible video came out about gen shah of a couple weeks ago and i think there were a lot of people saying the gen shah was putting it on for the cameras and initially as a on the housewife. When i saw that video i was like oh well okay. I guess that answers that if anything her abusive for assistance vindicate data is the see. I have different entry points to things than other people other people. I also on that note though listener asked us and i'm really curious to do you like or not like when storylines plotlines like bolo and things that come out in the press. You like when that happens or not like does it held love. I just feel like we're in the middle of shooting atlanta. This is so great. I love things to be a surprise. You know. i think it's more fun for the audience. It's more fun for me. If i'm watching a show and something happens that i haven't read a lot about. I get that the converse could be that. Well it's a lot of pr and its height for the show but then people you know online or like well if this is all happening this season and then i'm not interested you know it's like and i think that's what her kardashians ultimately it took so long for it to come out. We knew every single. Step along the way i always found. That's interesting that you say. I feel watching every episode. I found it really interesting with the kardashians that there would be these huge things happening like caitlyn or tristen cheating or whatever and i was like that made me want to see it. Play out on the show. Because you're only getting the headline in real life and i was like ooh. I want to really see how this plays out on the show. Well i will say that same thing about the buffalo party which to me. Because i heard what was you know. There's a stripper and blah blah blah. But it was so much wild. I had pictured and we got more footage than i thought we would be getting because of like the window cams and because of the sounds and because of people piecing it together that i was actually very intrigued. Yeah then i say something. She leaves no no. Casey wilson's book the wreckage of my presence. Guys i know. You're already fans of casey and i'm excited danielle now for your buck. Because we all know what a brilliant before th rider you are but this book you guys is so funny. I laughed out loud. I'll out loud at a book and also it is quite shocking. Your arse shocking chocking. The woman in new york that you work for. She's still alive and she would like to make tape for their will be. we'll see. does she know that it's her. I it's anywhere just want to say. I'm sure it's available for preorder. I have no idea when it comes out. Casey sent me a copy an advance copy. It's called the wreckage of my presence. It's sl is. It's and i love the cover. I love the title is guys it. Do not sleep on this one. It is very rarely arctic. Anti wanna to say. I was relieved that it was so funny. Because she said is there any way. You can do a blurb for my book. And i was like of course and i sat down and you know it's that thing where you're like. I'm i am. I going to the block and whatever and then i was like holy shit. This is great. Like i will scream it from the rooftops into really geary belt. One copy of the book. 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This Neuroscientist's Solution for Stress Will Surprise You | Andrew Huberman on Health Theory

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This Neuroscientist's Solution for Stress Will Surprise You | Andrew Huberman on Health Theory

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Today's guest is Dr Andrew Cohen. He's a lab director and professor of neurosciences Stanford University who has won numerous awards for his work including the Pew Biomedical Scholar Award and the McKnight Neuroscience Scholar Award. He also serves on the editorial board of several prestigious journals including current biology the Journal of Comparative Neurology Sell Reports and many many others and welcome to the. Show Dr Cuban. Thanks for having me. I'm delighted to be here. Did as I was saying before we started rolling brain neuroscience is my area of absolute fascination. This was the thing that ended up taking me from sliding towards depression feeling lost feeling frustrated. Not Knowing how to make anything in my life this is in the late nineties. So people were debating whether neuro class. This was real. Carol the whack had not written her seminal book on Growth Mindset yet so I to a lot of this stuff together but then once I did. It was absolutely transformative for my life. I'm super interested in something you said. Which is ultimately our thoughts for a choice above the start with that love to start with your sort of I think really insightful definition about what a growth mindset really is yeah well first of all carols a wonderful colleague and friend and so we've been doing a bit of work on the neuroscience of growth mindset among other states of mind so the study of neurosciences. Really about what? The nervous system does and amazingly enough. The nervous system is responsible for everything that happens to us from the time that were born until the time we die but that really boils down to only five things. The nervous system has the responsibility of sensation. So sensing the physical events in the Environment. We have these so-called receptors in the eyes and ears in the nose and the mouth on the skin that take physical entities. In the universe that a real fixed nonnegotiable things like sound waves and photons of light and chemicals in the environment traveling that make it into our nose and things like that and convert those into the second thing which is perceptions so the nervous systems responsibility is to take those sensations which are non-negotiable and perceive certain ones and not others. So for instance right now until I say what's the sensation of your feet contacting the floor. Where the bottom of your shoes you weren't thinking about it but those pressure receptors being engaged the entire time so your perception is like a window or a spotlight. That's very much linked to attention. Then there are emotions often called feelings and those are really designed to push us down particular avenues of perception and the next thing which are thoughts. Okay so we got sensation perception feelings. And then there are thoughts which really have a lot to do with what we're perceiving and the way we're organizing those perceptions what they mean and generally that's put into the context of what we already know or memories and then the fifth thing is behaviors or actions and of course neurons are responsible for generating actions. And they're really two kinds of actions there the actions that you generate reflexively like you're breathing and your heart rate right now are largely reflexive or you could decide troll of your respiration and be made voluntary right and not just reflexive those five things sensations perceptions feelings thoughts and actions really encompass all of our life experience. And that's from the very mundane of getting up in the morning brushing your teeth to the most inspiring a goal motivated Pinnacle moments of your life the nervous system not the immune system the digestive system all of which are important but the nervous system. Meaning the brain spinal cord in the connections with the body and the connections from the body back to the brain and spinal cord are responsible for all of that and as just a final point. The nervous system is also responsible for telling the immune system. Something that's very relevant right now in this. Kobe pandemic when to be active. You know we don't often think about the immune system is governed by anything but it's actually governed by the nervous system. You have one thing that I find. Really interesting is the way that the It'll be interesting to hear your take on the so I think of the brain as basically creating a virtual reality environment that were Engaging in now it's a very usable virtual environment that I can walk around without bumping into too much shit like you said I can translate the things that are floating around in the air and to a sense of smell on I can navigate the world on what I see and hear and smell and taste and all of that stuff but at the end of the day it really is all happening in this enclosed dark skull and the brain itself doesn't ever actually in Iraq wiping it doesn't interact with sound waves. It's all an interpretation of that which I find really interesting and I find it really interesting with that. Plays out into our lives. How do you think about that? As somebody who is is literally lifting rain out of somebody's I would assume deceased Head you know that you have such a tactile relationship with the brain. Yeah so you said something really important. Which is that you know. We're essentially just this collection of cells and yet everything is organized this almost video game virtual reality like version of the world so the way that neuroscientists think about these sorts of things nowadays is in the following way that you're absolutely right Tom. Everything about life. Experience is an abstraction and the brain has a language it's creating an abstract representation of everything that's out there in the world everything and that might seem sort of obvious to some listeners. But when you think about it. That's perhaps one of the most interesting and profound features of life in general the galaxies any organism. Because Somehow your abstractions and Maya abstractions and the abstractions of the brains of all your listeners are able to converge on some common meaning at least in many cases about what these words mean or what Different events in the natural world mean now objects fall down. They don't generally fall up so there are some rules that we learn very early on. That are obvious right. But there's some other rules that are less obvious that come about when we start thinking about things like growth mindset and what's rewarding what is punishing what it means to lean in hard to a problem. What creativity is but I wanNA just mention. There's one exception to all this switches very interesting. It happens to be the one that my lab works on so I am biased in this regard. But there's one piece of your brain that is outside your skull in fact you have to the rest of your central nervous system is inside your skull and spinal cord except lining. The back of your eye is the neural retina which has three cell layers thick meaning. It's about stick. As a credit card and the neural retina is not attached to the brain. It is brain. The cells in in the neural retina. Were deliberately place. During development they got pushed out of the skull and deliberately to sense light events in the environment. And not just the shapes of things. And what's moving around out there befuddled mentally to tell the rest of the brain and nervous system when to be alert and when to be asleep based on how much light is in the environment and the quality of that light so viewing morning sunlight around the time of sunrise as well as evening sunlight around the time of sunset not just at sunset rise and sunset but near those times a couple of hours on either side is fundamental for instructing the brain of special collection of neurons. Right above the roof of the mouth which then instructs all the cells of the body when to be active. It's like you're a factory and you need digestion to work on a particular schedule and you need your spleen to work on another schedule. And it's morning light and evening like in particular and the cells that do this. They pay attention not to blue light. Everyone's kind of obsessed with blue light as it relates to this stuff wrong. That's only half the equation. It's the it's the contrast between yellow light and blue light so in the morning and at Sunset. Yellows are getting brighter. Watch a sunrise. Irs or sunset and blues are getting darker and that contrast is relayed to the brain. You don't perceive it. Even blind people can transmit this information into the brain and it's and it says make a cortisol pulse early in the day to give you energy and agitate your body to go be active and then at times. The onset of the melatonin pulse in the evening. Which is going to put you to sleep. And so when we think about the brain and the nervous system being isolated. It is isolated. But it's as much as it's a machine a collection of cells. They need to work together and they need to know when to be active. And so it's viewing of morning sunlight in particular in evening sunlight in particular. That anchors everything that goes on from the top of your skull to the bottom of your feet in terms of this basic thing of when to be alert and to be asleep and screens but not just screens and not just Blue Light. Making their way into the hours of say eleven. Pm to four am do just the opposite they. There was a paper published in cell of a very an excellent journal showing that bright light activation between eleven PM and four. Am sends a signal from the I. Two brain structure called the Habibula. The name doesn't matter. But it kicks off a disappointment circuit it starts suppressing dopamine and the Habibula is linked to the pancreas right the brain body connection and starts regulating blood sugar. So the key wise it. Why is it triggered disappointment? Yeah so this is very interesting so every circuit in the brain has push a poll so we have a reward system for viewing light at the particular times of day which are morning and evening and during the day and avoiding bright lights in the middle of the night but there's a punishment signal literally opponent a chemical punishment signal whereby dopamine. Which is this field. Good molecule that's essential for things like growth mindset and pursuit of goals and well being of all sorts is suppressed when human beings or animals view. Bright light in the middle of this dark phase of their circadian cycle which is between Eleven PM and four am approximately and so nature. Does this it creates will rewards for doing the right things that move you in the direction of general adaptation and wellness and it punishes you mother. Nature is kind of a double edged sword a benevolent when she wants to be. But if you don't obey her rules she punishes you too. And so you have circuits in brain. That are pro depressive and this light viewing in from ten PM to four am is a kicks off a pro depressive circuit and saying I to get into some of the other things that are approach oppressive as well but before that one one thing that I really want to Ankara to what you were saying. You're saying that people have an over simplified view of what a growth mindset is. You were just talking about that relationship to dopamine. Give us your sort of brief not sell version of what a growth mind several years. Yeah so I've had a lot of discussions about this idea of yet. I'm not there yet but that I can't get there. That's the whole principle behind growth mindset over when you the the discovery of growth mindset is worth thinking about so carols discovery. Was these kids that for whatever reason you know like doing math problems even though they knew they couldn't get the answers right. These were sure failed problems. So it's the same kind of people that like doing puzzles and these kids not surprisingly go onto do phenomenally. Well in a number of different areas of academic pursuit. But what's interesting about growth mindset? Is that it. Seems like there's some attachment of reward systems of the brain so the action or the pursuit of a goal not just achieving a goal. And when we step back and we look at what that really entails at a neuro chemical level we have reward systems in the brain. They generally fall into two categories there the ward systems that make you feel really good with kind of the here and now and everything. That's it within the confines of your skin and the things you already have love of your dog. Love of your spouse gratitude for all the things you happen to have and those are generally governed by the release of molecules like Serotonin and oxytocin. Okay but then there's another reward system which is the one that drove a lot of human evolution which is the dopamine reward system now. Dopamine is a very misunderstood molecule. It's often talked about only in the context of reward. Like I'm going to work to this goal. I'm going to build my company. I'M GONNA get ten years of press whatever it is and you reach it and you get this dopamine reward and indeed. That's true but what's often not discussed. Is that dopamine is secreted en route to rewards while you pursue rewards now the ability to tap into that system to subjectively amplify that pathway of reward in pursuit of goals is an absolute game. Changer when it comes to things like anything challenging that of long duration or uncertainty or getting through this Cova pandemic situation the EPA. The amazing thing is remember. The brain only does five things. And we get to decide which of those sensations and perceptions have relevance and which ones don't or which ones are attached to a goal and which ones aren't so growth mindset in its purest form is the attachment of these reward systems to the effort process to the friction process and not just to obtaining a reward and just as a kind of final point to that. There's a very Well known body of literature neuroscience at least among our scientists the talks about something called reward prediction error and it says if you can dose the dopamine subjectively as you go through the pursuit of something and then have a lot of dopamine when reach that thing. It's very likely that you're gonNA reinforced that circuit. There will be neural. Plasticity in that circuit will become stronger. So the next time you will revisit those sets of behaviors. The opposite can happen to where you're in real anticipation of something. This is GonNa be great as great. That's GONNA be Great. And then you reach that goal and it's kind of underwhelming and that generally triggers this the circuit that I referred to earlier this kind of disappointment or pro pro depressive circuit so dopamine is involved in reward. But it's also involved in the pursuit of rewards and so as you reach a milestone or as you tell yourself. I'M ON THE RIGHT TRACK. This friction on feeling this late night this early morning. This hard conversation with somebody. That doesn't feel good. I'm GonNa tell myself. This is four larger purpose. That's that subjective insertion that abstraction that we talking about earlier and when you start releasing dopamine to those kinds of things there's essentially no limit on the number of things you can do or the energy to do them so just as a last last point about dopamine an effort were always secreting adrenaline were always in pursuit. And it's draining. It's tiring dopamine. Has This beautiful capacity to buffer Adrenalin. And you know this you've experienced before because if you've ever been working really really hard maybe your team depleted. Everything's just a mess and somebody cracks a joke and all of a sudden in an instant. It's like everything's reframed. That couldn't have been hormonal. Hormones work on that on the schedule of like ours. Today's two weeks it had to be neurochemical. It absolutely had been chemical and that neurochemical is dopamine. What you just described is literally scientific breakdown of how you turn your life around. I would just tell people that. Subjective insertion is one of the most powerful concepts I've ever heard in neuroscience the only one I've ever heard articulated that succinctly now you talk a lot about meaning walk me through like the how we assign meeting how we leverage the reward and punishment to to really get us in a situation where we can push something that people might not be able to pursue. Yeah so when you start thinking about things like growth mindset in terms of how they convert to neurochemical signatures. It leads us this place of if it's all subjective then if I just say look I'm going to stand up out of my chair and and that's GonNa feel amazing. Is that GONNA work? No it depends on the meaning that I attached to something and this and this objective part can be a little tricky and a little bit hard for people so I want to try laid out in a in a concrete way. So that if they want to applies this they can Incidentally or not so incidentally I should say when you look at communities of very high performers and unfortunate enough to do some consulting with some people from these communities and so forth. They're very good. As are you at attaching reward to specific behaviors in subjective ways so growth mindset and these dopamine rewards that we subjectively apply are not about saying. Oh you know I had a terrible day. I performed poorly. But you know what it's great. I just feel great. Anyway it's not about that. It's not about attaching your sense of reward to the ultimate goal. It's about attaching your sense of reward to the fact that you're making action steps that are generally in the right direction. The more you can reward the effort process the better off you are building these kinds of neural circuits and these kind of tendencies to be able to lean into anything challenging over essentially any duration. So how does this work like? How would somebody do this right? Well keeping in mind that adrenaline and epinephrine are all great for getting us into action. This is mother. Nature's way of chemically making us feel kind of agitated remember stress was designed to agitate us to move us away from things and toward things but realizing that that's a a limited resource that eventually that same Kim chemical is what makes you have a negative mindset. It feels painful. It's the burn in your body. It's uncomfortable and realizing that dopamine can push back on that neurochemical it can suppress those sensations of wanting to quit. He say well. Then how do I get this dopamine to work for me before I hit a goal because not every day is going to be a real win? There's some days I mean I know from my science crew. There days that were really hard. Experiments didn't work papers got rejected. And you know I've spent two decades or more just drilling on and drilling on and it's been a sheer pleasure at times but there's been some pain points along the way. So what does this process really about? And how would somebody implement these dopamine and epinephrine type nor chemical events in their own life? Well we all know the example of like wanting to run a marathon. I've never run a marathon but That'd be a nice goal to have. Let's say tomorrow morning. I set my shoes near the door now. A lot of people have talked about this day. One you set your shoes near the door day to you. Go out the door day. Three run around the block day for but the key thing is not just to go through the actions but when you hit each one of those self designated milestones the milestones that you're setting out for yourself you have to pause for a moment and Tell Yourself. I'm heading in the right direction. I haven't run the marathon yet but this is the foundation upon which I'm GonNa lay another foundation upon which I'm GonNa lay another foundation and those little pulses of dopamine allow you to get that action. Step the depletion that it would normally bring otherwise. You're just like you're spending money. This is replenishing this bank account that you have and it's a neural bank account and so dopamine the thing that you can control the dosing of and so if you say today. It's my shoes at the door. But tomorrow it's around the block and that's it but that's in the direction I. WanNa go what you do? Is You now get those two events? Plus the next day the mile long runners and so forth without depleting you. It actually builds this capacity to build more reward. And this is what you've done. This is what people from elite Special Forces can do. They know how to make small simple physical steps in the real world that allow them to build on these reward circuitry but they don't get delusional about how they're doing they. They know they keep the end in mind. But they get very micro. They moved the horizon in very close. And so if you can move the horizon to something you know you can complete and you reward that you essentially are where you were before. You're just as strong if not stronger. But you're heading in the direction you need to go. You'RE NOT DEPLETING NOT SPENDING OUT ANYTHING. And it feels a little weird because none of us like to reward things that are external but the ability to control these internal rewards schedules. Is Everything. One thing that you've talked about that I think is Along these lines be to see if they feel as related to you when you know so much about it but for me at a high level these field very related talked about somebody gets in a car accident Acetylcholine if I'm not mistaken is released as fucking pay attention to this. Pay attention right now and it. It basically response to peaks and valleys so something bad happens or something good happens. It's present. You begin to hard wire. The Association of whatever emotion is with that thing and so if you have something dramatic evanger whatever and you now see something very negative. You can actually flip that by getting an estate where you're secreting acetylcholine again and now in posit- right so that you can feel good about that think. So how do people take that? Take control of that process. So if you've been in a car accident and you have this negative association driving. How do you grab hold of the production of a CDL? How do you refrain? Yeah so it's great you're mentioning Acetylcholine so Acetylcholine is the neurochemical that we want to think. About any time we're talking about neural plasticity and in particular attention high attentional states so everyone knows that the brain is very plastic early in life so from birth until age. Twenty five you can learn so much for better or for worse. I always say the downside is that early in life. You're you have less control over your life circumstances but your brain is very plastic. So there's a you know dark and light to that later in life you have a lot more control generally over your life circumstances but the brain becomes less plastic over. We know based on Nobel Prize winning work and recent work in addition to that that the neuro modulator. Acetylcholine is secreted when we pay attention to something very specific acts as sort of a spotlight in the brain making certain synapses the connections between neurons more active and more likely to be active again than others. So when you hear that song that you love so much and moves you and you feel dopamine being pulsed in your body. That's a real thing. You're actually getting dopamine secretion. You've form that deep association with that and Acetylcholine draws your attention to that and that song is essentially wired in a very indelible way into your nervous system multiple. You can probably even with certain songs you can feel your body. Start to energize. Because of course the brain through connections with your muscles controls your body so for things that are traumatic or negative. What we're really talking about is neural. Plasticity that's focused on unlearn and most of the therapies for this whether or not it's amd are I movement desensitization reprocessing or it's traditional psychoanalysis and psychotherapy or it's somatic embodied release big. Kundan leany breathing type. Almost all of those are designed to do something which is to bring the person or you bring yourself into a state of heightened alertness right. You can't do stuff when you're sort of half asleep heightened alertness and then focusing your attention on the traumatic or negative event. This is the way that works and then pairing that with something new you know traditionally this was done with things like an LP or in talk therapy where people would feel the relationship positive relationship with the therapist that was kind of the main rationale in association with this very traumatic sometimes even shameful type events and the idea is that you would simultaneously have those two experiences the negative one and the feeling of safety and you would rewire those circuitry can work but it can take a lot of times. It can take a lot of visits to the therapist which is not say. It's bad it's just not. Everyone has access to those resources. Things like I'm movement desensitization reprocessing simply moving the is laterally while recounting these negative events. The woman devised this figure it out that somehow when people recount these traumatic experiences when they're doing these lateral movements not vertical eye movements. They somehow separate out the negative emotions and I thought for years. People would ask me about this stuff. Tom And I thought this is ridiculous. For saw vision scientists and I work on stress. Like there's no way and then I really eight my words because four papers to in humans to in mice and then a fifth paper published nature which is kind of our super bowl of scientific publishing. Showed that these lateral movements quiet the amid Gelo they actually suppress activation of this threat detection center in the middle and I would that be true So this is really where it gets. Cool turns out because of when the way that we view the visual world when we move through space when our head moves or when we walk and things flow past us that these lateral is moments are what happens when you move forward in space when you're walking when you're moving forward towards something and that suppresses activation of the Amila now you say why well okay so then twenty eighteen. My Laboratory didn't experiment. There was an extra graduate soon my laboratory where we're looking at fear in this case we're looking at fear too big looming objects that either trigger freezing or running hiding. There's a brain area that's in your brain in my brain that mice also have that triggers a third option not running hide not freeze forward confrontation. This is the no. I'M GONNA fight. I'm GONNA move forward. In the face of adversity. This is the growth mindset to lean into friction and it turns out that this circuit is linked to the dopamine reward pathway when we move forward in the face of a threat and obviously we want to do this in healthy adaptive ways. We suppress activity of the amid della through physical action of moving forward. And there's a signal sent to the areas of the brain that control dopamine reward those reward centers then trigger the release of dopamine to reward forward effort in the face of stress or threat. So when you hear about people saying look take some physical action when you're feeling exhausted. Take some forward physical action when you're feeling overwhelmed by this traumatic experience. Now that could be in the form of a walk in the now this therapist she figured out with MDR. Because you can't take people walking around for therapy sessions. She figured out that these latter realized I'm movements are what triggered suppression of the amid deal and it makes perfect sense because the amid Migdal this threat detection center in our brain it doesn't connect to the limbs. So how do you know if you're moving forward well because the eyes are moving you have these reflects in my movements that move time you're moving through space so to make this a little more succinct? It's really forward movement action pushing yourself across that threshold not only rewards you but it suppresses activity of the fear centers in the brain and these are ancient hardwired mechanisms. 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What at a stimulus level. What is that thing? That's going to trigger the response. Talk about the. I don't know if those mice or rats I think it was rats. Were you force them to fight in there like in a tube and you like that that steady to me tied with what you just said is insanely powerful for people who allow themselves to become. Peres by you know. Fear or whatever forward movement provided a dozen endanger you or kill. You is absolutely the remedy for fear stress and all and at least in the clinical literature to these trauma events. You know that that people carry with them for many years of trauma needs to be dealt with hopefully with a professional but we can all apply. These mechanisms in these nor chemical reward schedules. So the the study that you're referring to beautiful one There's a classic study where researchers not my lab put two rats or you could do this with mice into a tube and the tendency is for them to try and push one or the other one out one always wins and pushes the other one out. We call the one that got pushed out the loser. The one that pushed him out the winner. Here the interesting things about this first of all the winner will tend to win with other in other battles even though these are just pushing battles more because it's simply one the time before the loser by losing will tend to lose and some people say. Oh well that explains a lot about society etc. Here's where it gets really interesting. You can even take a mouse or a rat in push it from behind and make it the winner and then on subsequent trials where you're not pushing it it will tend to win more often so the wind doesn't even have to come from itself so last year there was a very important paper published about this where said of researchers just said. Well what is it? Like what is this winning circuit and this losing circuit enough with the demonstration that this happens like what's happening on what's under the hood and so they went into. The brain identified a brain area. Which is part of the frontal cortex the area that we typically think about planning action executive function kind of high level stuff and what they discovered was. This brain area is more active in the winner. Then in the loser in fact they could take the loser and stimulate this area and turn the losers into winners now. It gets even more ridiculous than that. If you quiet this brain area winners become losers. Okay and and if you take a winner and let's say at this to battle and you put them into say a cold environment with a bunch of other mice and you have just a warm corner. Mice don't like to be cold and you say who gets the warm corner right. Who GETS THE LUXURY SPOT? It's always the winner so even breaks down at the level of social interactions. And she say okay all right now. We know that this brainer. It's this one area of the frontal CORTEX. But what's it actually doing right okay? What's Actually Trent? What how can we translate? This turns out this brain area. That's responsible and required for winning in this series of experiments is actually driving up the level of activation. What you and I would call agitation or stress to the point where that animal is more likely to move forward. It simply taking stress which is wired into us in order to make us feel agitated instead of suppressing us. You know instead of saying I'm just GonNa sit here overwhelmed. I'm just GONNA move into action so there's a circuit for winning there's the same circuit when it's hypoactive. Not Active enough is what causes losing in these competitive scenarios and similarly there's a circuit for quitting. There's an a nor epinephrine in the brain stem. This was published in the last couple of years showing that when animals are people are in constant effort. Eventually that level of norepinephrine get so high that triggers a circuit that shuts down the motor control over the limbs. And you just say that's it. I give up on so these mechanisms were hardwired into us. We all have them whether or not. It's from evolution. Mother Nature God the universe. It is. It's irrelevant to the discussion that these circuits exist in. Everybody and I think it's a select few people who really understand that forward action is what drives these circuits. It's the ability to take that agitations stress agitation increase our focus and they by us for movement and nature wanted that move forward in the face of challenge not to be quiescent. We weren't sitting around the Tigers Sabertooth Tigers. All the time more likely we were in caves and we were getting hungry and we had to go out and search for things agitation and stress were designed to get us up and move us and when we try and fight that too much and we try and quiet that stress. That actually can be problematic. You have to decide or you're GONNA try and quiet stress or you going to actually lean into action. That's critical choice. Point FOR EVERYBODY. Who's experienced anything? Negative or positive for that matter that that is so useful in terms of getting people to understand how to get themselves out of it and this goes back to this notion that your thoughts are ultimately a choice. Like you get to decide what you think about. And when you understand that you're living in the VR environment and that there are things like simply moving forward is GonNa make you feel entirely different that you're being essentially manipulated by evolution by nature or want to think about it to get you agitated enough to go out and do the things you need to do but that it has this feedback loop of how it makes you feel about yourself that winning begets winning and losing begets losing. But it's it isn't like at some sort of grand tangible level that it's happening at the level of neuro chemistry that there regions of the brain that are designed for this. So how can somebody begin to turn things around in their life? I know one thing that people really struggle with is they have this negative voice in their head that just playing this loop and so even if they understand the mechanisms some part of them is going to discount it right because it's like well. You're just trying to say that because you think you can manipulate near chemistry but you. You're a loser like you just fall now. And that's what's playing in their head. How do people go in and and really take the reins of that process so that they can start winning? Yeah great question so I'm never going to argue that we can subjectively control all of our experience because there's some things that just genuinely salk right and when they and it's important and it's important to register those those not so great events or terrible events because they can drive us also you know. We can be driven from place of anger frustration and revenge. We can be driven from a place of love gratitude and etc. I I'm not here to judge which one is better or worse but the nervous system doesn't distinguish between them so if you're the kind of person that needs to kind of budget yourself into something great if you're the kind of person that wants to do things from more of a warm fuzzy feeling. That's fine to what I will say. This you billy tap into this dopamine reward system which is activated anytime. You're in pursuit of something that's outside the boundaries of your skin and look the boundaries of your body as well as the reward system the Serotonin oxytocin system which is really about the things that are contained within your own body and immediate experience things like gratitude and touch and comfort and things like that with loved ones the ability to tap into both as crucial. Now you said really important which was well. Negative thoughts negative thoughts what to do. I don't believe that it's very easy to suppress negative thoughts. However when you realize that thoughts can be deliberately introduced you can start replacing negative thoughts with new types of thoughts so you can always add something in but when people start to realize that thoughts are very much like physical actions of reaching and picking up a glass of water or taking a job around the ball block or typing an email perfectly. This is something I sometimes do struggle to do the perfect email not all. My emails are perfect. But when I do I make sure that I I completed. I think okay. It's possible but it's not because the email being perfect is so important. It's because I want to remind myself that my thoughts and my actions are essentially the same. The nervous system can organize thoughts so for somebody that struggling you know. We have these examples like they were really back on their heels or they were so depleted no money and all this stuff. What are they going? We we have so many examples like that but in trying to make it actionable. It's really about saying Yup. That's all true but I'm going to introduce a thought. Which is I made it through today. I mean I made it through today. And that's actually worth celebrating at a micro level so if you can give yourself dopamine rewards in small increments right. You're not trying to celebrate. Made it through one day sometimes. That's a huge feet. But most of the time you just want a dose yourself with a little bit of that internal release of dopamine you start rewarding incremental steps and if there's a that your listeners could take away from this whole thing about dopamine and rewards schedules and being movement it's reward incremental steps in particular incremental steps that are about forward action so maybe that's writing an email. Maybe that's maybe that's that run around the block. Maybe that's something much grander for you. As you better at things right the stairs get further and further away from one another because you achieve more success and so they tend to be. You have to take the rungs on the ladder further apart so to speak. That's a time when you really need to implement. Not only the dopamine rewards but also though Serotonin oxytocin rewards etc so to make it actionable I would say remember. Don't spend so much time trying to suppress negative thoughts if you need trauma therapy pursue that with a professional but if you have negative thoughts just remember I can also introduce positive thoughts the same way. I can control running around the block. Positive thoughts are the equivalent of forward physical action and if you reward them internally you buffer yourself against the quitting circuit this norepinephrine circuit. We were talking about before you are building stronger version of yourself completely between your own ears and some people say well. That's silly like you're saying. Oh I'm going to jump up and down. Were myself for doing nothing? No you're building the neural circuits that reward that you can control self reward and in doing that you can push through days and weeks of effort consistently. I don't mean necessarily all nighters you can push and push and push. My career is one that was made over two decades. It wasn't we had our our big peaks and we added a lot of allies but learning to control. These rewards is absolutely key. And I know you've done this to Tom. It's like you know it. The huge winds are great. But it's really about rewarding these increments you can keep going another thirty another forty years fifty years one hundred years if that's a long Davidson Clara's way. We'll live one hundred more years all of us so yeah. People people learn to tie thanks to the process than they've got a real shot the Success is not guaranteed but the struggle is right so if you are able to get to the point where you get excited about the learning process you get excited about trying something even if you fail that if you can associate in your own mind that I feel better about who I am because I tried this thing then it begins to stack because even the failures become something that you learn so you actually have made some progress because you took action because he tried something and now understanding some of the brain mechanisms around it it. It really gets super powerful whole now for people to Make use of every tool that. They have their at their disposal. Something that you've talked about always been really interested. In at the periphery but never have dug into enough is hypnosis Hutton. When people think of him I think they think of stage ship noses. What's the real deal? Why is it useful and and how people actually use it? Yeah so I'm really glad you asked about this so I have a colleague. His name is David Spiegel in our department of Psychiatry at Stanford and he and I have a collaboration going now looking at how respiration or breathing can be used to shift the brain into different states. And I've talked to David about this and so I'm borrowing from his words here so I want to be fair that from those conversations so hypnosis inevitably involves relaxing the nervous system taking the nervous system into states. That are more like sleep. Now what I mean by. That is in high alert states where you're talking and planning and inaction and stress in particular. The brain is very linear at saying okay. If this then this if then then this is why we tend to be forward thinking when we're when we're stressed tend to be not in our immediate experience but really kind of forward thinking so. Clinical hypnosis involves going into a state of deeper relaxation. So that our analysis of space and time meaning the way that the brain is. Perceiving events is slightly dismantled. So that it's a little bit dreamlike. And then the hypnotist and this could be by listening to a script or listening to therapy. Hypnotherapist starts to narrow or context. Take our thoughts if you will it down a particular path. That path could be one of Stress Reduction or a smoking cessation Hypnosis is very good for treatment of smoking cessation or for feelings of Wellbeing. Our confronting TRAUMAS. So what it is is. It's really opening up the window for neural plasticity which is of course the brain's ability to change in response to experience to trigger neuro plasticity. You have to have focus especially as an adult. You need a sita calling released. But high levels of attention acetylcholine and norepinephrine together norepinephrine to create that sense of urgency and Acetylcholine to bring that spotlight a focus in really really tight that triggers plasticity but the actual marks certain synapses in the brain for change but the actual changes in the synapses the rewiring. Okay that happens during states of sleep and depressed so this is why when you're trying to learn a motor skill you go and you go on. Your tennis. Irv is not happening. It's not happening. You take a break you come back and you nail it like wait. What happened well. You need time to set those circuits in motion and allow them to do to the rewiring. The sort of adaptation hypnosis seems to capture both the high attentional state and the deep relaxation at the same time. It's very unusual state of mind where you're neither asleep nor awake and in type focus or narrow focus and it's very clear that it leads to these rapid changes in behavior because you're rewiring the brain and the reason you're able to rewire the brain. So quickly is because you're getting the trigger event the focus and you're also getting the relaxation event simultaneously and so it's much faster than separating out the learning trigger from the actual rewire near the brain. My lab has a deep interest in David. Spiegel's live has a deep interest now and using respiration or going to shift our state to either heightened states of focus and alertness to open up neural plasticity. Right there are going to be lots of ways to access. Can you give me some examples? Like what are we doing? Very breath work. I find incredibly interesting. Changed my life through meditation. Just shifting my breathing to die for. Matic. Breathing was no joke. It changed my life. It changed my relationship things. Id might feeling of being able to control my state as it started to spiral. So I'd be very curious to know. What type of breathing are we talking about here? Yeah so I'm really glad you mentioned the diaphragm diaphragm course. Being this muscle inside of all of us at least all mammals that works all the time to move our lungs because we always need oxygen. Of course get rid of carbon dioxide. It does that but it's done reflexively but we can also take voluntary control over it. I WanNa just mention about the diaphragm. Why it's so important for. What were these state changes? Is that a lot of people. Talk about the vagus nerve and all this stuff the Vegas these connections between the brain and this vagus nerve of the gut. What gets activated when you're really full and eat a big meal and you feel relaxed. Those are great. But it's very slow. The diaphragm is skeletal muscle. Just like you're biceps just like your tricep. Just like your quadricep. It is the only internal Oregon except maybe a couple of muscles in your throat. That are actually skeletal muscle. Meaning it was designed to be voluntarily. Moved and the diaphragm isn't just designed to move your lungs. It also sends a signal through the so-called freak nerve back to the brain to inform your brain about the status of your body so when you breathe fast deliberately the reason you flow kind of an elevated sense of alertness is because the other chemicals secreted but mostly because the frantic nervous firing off. It's telling you. Hey the bodies moving. We're really running now even though you're stationary and a chair if you're doing breathing or if you're breathing very slowly and rhythmically right box type breathing or you know. Slow slow breathing. Your diaphragm is telling your brain. Hey we're calm good and calm down very quickly on the order of seconds and so once you start tapping into this you start realizing okay. Movement of the body was designed to inform the brain of where to be not just the brain telling the body. And how does the body communicate with the brain through the frantic nerve from the diaphragm? So my love is really pursuing two questions and this is still being worked out so I just want to highlight that is still in progress but certain patterns of breathing will calm you very much. Like entering a hypnotic state and so you have a subset of neurons in your brain stem that are responsible for signing these that you have a subset of neurons in your brain responsible for for coughing subset of neurons responsible for laughter and a subset of neurons in your brain stem for sign. This was a paper published in nature. This is a real thing. These neurons are every so often and your dog does this to you. Inhale twice and then you say long now that double inhaled best done through the nose on the inhales and then long exhale through the mouth. Activates these signer on that trigger. The so-called calming reflects the Para sympathetic armor the nervous system so we have a hard wired mechanism set of neurons connection to the diaphragm. And back again the die for him to the brain that was designed to activate call and when people ask me how should I breathe to calm myself down? I would say double in hell through the nose followed by exiles. Two or three of those will reset your automatic nervous system faster than any other mechanism were aware of because it's really capitalizing on a set of neural circuits. Now once your mom you say well how do I get into plasticity states there? You WanNa go the other direction. That's going to be inhaling a lot more than you exhale you're going to be driving in more oxygen than you are. Breathing out generally carbon dioxide and that will lead to states that are kind of more elevated. This is typical of things like to mow breathing. Wim Hof Breathing Kunda leany breathing. And WHEN PEOPLE ENTER THOSE STATES. Their whole world changes because it shuts off the frontal CORTEX. It really does. Why sometimes people pass out or they feel like they wanna get up and move. You know you get some odd behavior when you're doing this kind of thing so the key is if you want to access states of heightened plasticity lets you. WanNa learn faster where you want to be more You WanNa bring more out of some physical training that you're doing. The key is to apply those principles. First you need to focus. You need to bring yourself to that heightened state of alertness. You can breathe to do that. So this will be super oxygenated breeden. Then you want to drop into a state of calm and you do that by these a couple. Maybe two or three rounds of inhale. Inhale exhale inhale inhale and then now. Your brain is in a state. We believe this is still again being worked out in in labs like Mine and David's. Then you're in a state for heightened learning because you're in a state where neuro chemicals like. Acetylcholine are going to be at levels that are higher than they typically would be things like noradrenaline slightly higher than they typically would be but not in a discombobulated way in a very regulated way. And the cool thing is you're regulating them so you could argue earlier. We were talking about subjective emotions and thoughts. All these things will one thing that's absolutely. Concrete is breathing. I always think of physical exercise movement writing whatever singing dancing talking those physical actions in the universe. Then you have fought and somewhere in between those controlling your respiration once you can control everything. That's within the confines of your skull and Skin. Once you can really control that relationship that brain body relationship you start to realize that relationship is a lot like any other relationship to forward. Action is just all happening within the confines. My Body. So it's heightened states a focus followed by state of relaxation that are gonna Prime your nervous system for learning and plasticity just like hypnosis. Sorry for the long winded discussion. Do don't you dare apologize. That is some of the most powerful and useful information literally ever. I can't I can't tell you how much I love what you're studying. What are you're talking about this so incredible dude? Thank you so much. Where can people engage with you? Where can they learn more? I think this is so important so powerful. I want people to really connect with you now. Well thanks so much So I teach instagram and little short bits and sometimes in longer bits on instagram. And that's Huber lab issue B. E. R. M. A. N. L. A. B. so that's where I teach neuroscience and offer up things about plasticity and sleep and also some tools and we talk about things like autism and Cetera. Lots of things anytime I see a paper. It's interesting I try and discuss it My lab is human lab DOT COM. There we put our papers and our research that we published and we were always recruiting subjects for experiments Where we pay you to participate in these different kinds of things. We're launching a big respiration. Breath Work Study Soon. So if you reach out by INSTAGRAM or I'll probably announce it there as well be wonderful. We were looking to recruit people were teaming up with some tech companies will arm people with some really terrific tax. We can get their data and really get a clear sense of how these tools and practices aren't landing subjectively but really what's happening at a concrete level. Even things like cortisol measures and stuff. So if you're interested you reach out Through either venue the human lab or the INSTAGRAM. He remained lab And I I generally try and respond to everybody's requests sometimes a little slow but I really aim to do that as much as possible. Nice man I love a dude so last question. If you're going to have people make one change of have the biggest impact on their health. What changed you have the make now? That is a great question. I think the fundamental step that everybody should be taking everyday for many aspects of their health mental physical digestive immune. All of that is to get to ten minutes of bright light first thing in the morning on waking ideally at sunlight. You could do it through a window if where. You probably shouldn't wear sunglasses while you don't stare at the Sun until you burn your retinas out or something. Make it painful. Please don't do that. But just getting bright light exposure for singing. The morning organizers the nervous system and the rest of the organs of the body in such a powerful way that I feel like if you do that most days if you miss a day no big deal but if you do that most days you're setting yourself on the path to do all the other sorts of things correctly and your biology will thank you for it. Love that there. This was amazing. Thank you so much I definitely win. The quarantine is lifted. We gotta get together in the same room. I think that would be so much fun. I could easily go on for another hour or two or three hours talking about this with you so you have an open invitation to come back in the very near future so thank you so much that definitely thank you absolutely man. Thank you coming on. Everybody thank you so much for listening and if this content is delivering value to you police go to Itunes stitcher rate and review us. That helps us build this community and that is what we're all about right now buildings community as big as we can help as many people as we can deliver as much value as possible and you guys rating reviewing really helps with that all right guys thank you again so much and until next time my friends you legendary take care.

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I Got in Trouble

Brandi Glanville Unfiltered

33:05 min | 11 months ago

I Got in Trouble

"Media. Mix. Relationship at some point, you're right. Weird. With your mom. I. Mean I, get it i. stay on my side. Gets. It still manned. We have to do a podcast now. You want to be or guest Oh. Why are you yelling at him? We're doing podcasts. From Straw at media. This GLANVILLE unfiltered. Brady Glanville unfiltered, Outta. ZANEX. I'm running high eighty and we had earthquakes. There was an earthquake Arizona three on Thursday morning visit. There is in the morning today. Today tomorrow was podcast. Day is when the earthquake happened and I went downstairs and I got mason who seventeen and I made come upstairs and lay next to me. So just to be clear for everybody, Britney's houses three stories. Well, yeah. But it's a condo. Command. What is three stars? So she's in the top, right. So she had to go and and Mason is on the first so. Rob. Her address is. Information for people. Just saying like it's a whole trip vehicle down. Warning. Die Because I had locked off, not stairs I. E. Because he thinks this rug is a peapod. POOP has already been starting I. Don't want to talk about Ragas go. Like this real get from Bravo. Because you know what we? Let's talk about our future guests. We have a future guests andy. I'm. Mystery Andrew Cohen. Already three hundred episode. Yes, and our and our nine year anniversary. Oh, Gush Gosh, we are like we are. We started this shit podcasting. pod Father. That's an authority. Mother to now pod queen. POD Queenie. we are also on hold to get Sheena Shay. This is her name. Still shape because you gotta believe deserves. That's what she shea on all the APPS. She still shit show I. Like it. It's got a ring to it. Sounds Nice. Her boyfriend's a very handsome and I said I, have an older brother, but he doesn't while they. I don't know they're gonNA look around to see find one. She's she's off the proper me, but we are trying to get clearance with Bravo because guess, what happened wait? What happened I got? What did you do we all like I just was it was the podcast when he was a lot of different things I. Guess I'm just like. Somehow with my social media, which you might have noticed I was off of last night during house rise because I got trouble and it's just better and healthier not to look at it. Get triggered by people, and then you just need to ask. You to tell me what I'm not supposed to. So. I mean, obviously, it's regarding the. Add something trouble and I said Oh. I had anxiety all day because call is get three and so on my main trouble and the guy lied, and he said, no man I was in trouble, but they were nice and I did cry because I was I was so frustrated because I mean I like I said I do the most for the least and is. A Lot. Speaking of that. I was Jake I always watch watch. What happens live. Together sure and he's very invested in it. He like he gets it. says. My name like he's like me like, boo, you're somebody I. Mean. Of course, they're saying your name a lot right now. The word of the night last night was. Sutton was on there with Garcia Sal and Sutton. There was like you have to pick between brandies fall and something else, and I've known sutton for quite some time, just a mutual best friend. Circles? No. She throws good parties. I like her cal ever. She saw that she had seen me fall before, which is just not true. Bless her heart maybe on TV. Maybe, on TV, but never in her presence I, mean I felt Erica's house once because we took ecstasy and I was trying to go down to my Uber and she has like harden and I fell off. I got a concussion. It was horrible that she was not there. Got It. Air Mutual friends. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Clark Street. So just thrown out some some. Nicer. It's just a because never see me fall. She's talking about television. That's what it is. For. Our pocket. I enjoy her Have you done a lot of falls on television Oh God? Not that I'm aware I mean I'm sure loved put up. Put together a brain fall montage. Housewives falls yeah not, necessarily. Would like to see how mind stacks up because I know Lou ann had some good ones. Maybe I bet you someone has already put together. Yes. Waves falling montage. Will you please send it to us because I would like to see my falls already name so that. Already has. Your hold on. Let me look at my. After. Okay, she. And then I? As you know because it's our company. Chat Yeah. It's thriving. Oh my gosh, people getting booked. The dominatrix, twin twin zones Brunette, and one's blonde love them or so pretty. They are pretty I. was like I was in shock because I thought they were going to be old I. Don't know why did a cameo for them in their names were Kinda Kathleen. Sounded like mature and data. But, they were really beautiful and I enjoyed talking took, how old were they? I. Don't know like maybe twenty. Young. Woman. They. Were Dominatrix. Says like. Third, they had the sub pay for that because she's the boss of them. Yeah. which is miss it right, and so you can just financial submissive or something I need one. Yeah. To if I looked like her I probably have run. Both. Very hot salt and pepper I. Hear You. That's like the younger me and t t said, we're not dominatrix is imagine you guys could have been we? We talked about do it together. Do think they do it together I holy so I. Mean I'm supposed to chat with them again, tonight. Paid best friends. So I'll let you. What else is happening in the world? Besides are fucking earthquakes and Kobe. I have not watched news because we watch the news too much I. Know that's why I didn't band. Who Bandou? Hanane. Oh. That'd be. That's good. That's good of her she coming doesn't believe in the whole covid situation being as bad as is I, don't think they can make it up. Can I I feel like it's worse than what it actually is what they're actually saying. So I think too I. Think a lot of people don't even know that they have it and they're spreading it interesting What? What do you mean? She doesn't believe in, I don't know I don't want to speak for her, but she I think she doesn't think it's as bad as it is, but she still you know she wears a mask all stash because I see a lot of people in the street that that don't that don't wear masks that all I honk at them to try to make them fall off their bikes. Is that rude. I, don't know. It bothers me. We're sharing the same air, but here's the thing. So this is my question. If I'm in my car. I don't mass because it showed me in my car. No. No, no. Say Open my window, and then they were mass because I don't want my if I have Kobe what you don't because of the tested two times. Oh. I don't want it going out to the masses I. Don't think it. Can I think can conflicting reports But when I see people in their cars with their windows, all the way rolled up and their masks on. I don't sneak classroom phobic oh. Yeah. No, I can't do it. We'll Kasi I. so I go for a walk or run every morning. And I wear my little abandoned are on my neck, and when I come near people, I put it up. But when I'm just out I, don't have it. Oh i. it's hard for me to go on a relaxing walk with this thing around my face. Yeah. We were trying to work out KANANA. We hired a trainer with it on your. Agreed as I. Just put it down. Well, 'cause we were all six feet away from each other anyone walked by I, put it back on because breathing hard and that was rough. Yeah, and really I don't work out. So it's like this is new for me and I'm sure everywhere and I think I wanNA quit. You don't WanNa, quit I. Know You're GonNa do it, and then you're going to be like super toned in ready for summer where no, one can see you. We are in. Almost over. One is happy. Birthday today. Thursday not Friday is my mommy's birthday. Happy Birthday. Judy, we love you everybody loves my mom I. Mean Like you can't not mom. I really liked your mom. Your mom wants. She was mean that lady. I remember. No which Guar you wine you're brining now. Yeah. ME. People that just loved were obsessed with you and their wedding got cancelled because of those fires and then she's like I don't mean to why the my manga sounds like. Why didn't off? That was. List. That's not the norm I've a bunch of that stuff i. have it somewhere God. Let's keep it away. Let's not let's not break about out. I'm trying to find this meme l., my God it's, it's their happened. I've seen on my social allot. Okay. I took the night off of social last night be because I was in trouble and they didn't tests and then I page a five hundred dollars to do something a now, he's banned from playstation because they don't believe that he had that money. And he would you would you pay him by Kelly you. There might have been a lot of mad cow I involved. Thank you pride vodka for the case and let me you mean it. It's so good Could get banned by playstation. Yeah. I think we'll because he in the past had made in game charges that I do not accept those. So I. was like no more on playstation. I told my credit card. Don't authorize anymore because he was banned get gift cards and he'd have to use those instead of my credit card media's Asia listing three thousand dollars later. And I have paid for that because they're actually has charged as you know what I mean. So yeah, don't trust him. Spacing comes down to era the now he's bound and my day is going to be ruined if he's banned all day because what is he going to do? Exactly? He'll. nope. He's GonNa. Want me to it. Is He an active guy? Yeah, he does you have see in boxing and UC. Yeah. He's got like some fancy train artists, his dad when I was here last night. No. The other night when I was filming stuff with the Dominatrix Celeb- chat for some promos stuff. He was like he huddled all down. He was like doing some like foxing moves. He's Okay. He's getting into the boxing and he's he's getting like thicker like his body's just getting bigger. I had to measure his waist today for his dad was really awkward. Had the waste. The tape out on. This is uncomfortable. I don't like I was just bizarre, but so I told that he has said, don't ask me to do it again, you were here for that texts. uncomfortable. I didn't think about going from the back which still at as ass I wanted to hit like. I don't like it not doing it again. Got To talk about Leeann rhymes. Oh. Okay. Let's talk better. Okay. So. I got very brave. Okay. After some vodka pride. Vodka prices. And I just decided tasker. If she wanted to join chat and like we're having a hard time getting people to sign up, we just need people to sign up just up. It's not exclusive. You can be on all of these different and you should be because I would do pigeonhole yourself. -tunities hello. I'm on all of them. But Book Meazza, Lab Jack I get more money. It's cheaper than cameo. Let's just say screw screw. So anyway I said. Maybe you want. You know I said, I'm going to ask you to maybe look at my company, our company and and sign up, and she said she would look at it, which is shocked because. I think a lot of fans. Fans in general but. It would be really I. Think people would really think that was amazing. If she supported me. Yeah. You know what I mean. So if she doesn't now. Oh, half kidding. To get Eddie on there. That's I. Don't think he'd be good on there. I. Think you'll get a lot of chats, but I just I I'm going to stick with the wife I've never seen anything he's done I should really watch something. Yeah. There's like there's tons of staff Magic to by wedding. I wanted to judge based on on his acting ability. You can go and watch the cave. It's a movie that was fun really because Piper was count anyway on scary. It was scary. Oh. Yeah. And then we also have to talk about my DM's. Oh No. It's good. Someone slide into your damn someone live. Gross. landed. Let people slide in, but this guy slid. is so gross, ill, Yuck out like. The. ZANEX. I'm very high strung right now like the person. Oh. Yeah. He's. so He's Bethany Frankel. Boyfriend's. Cousin and business partner, and that's all say about it. But. Very, hot. He has got a good sense of humor and we've had a facetime chat. He looks like his pictures, which is very rare. We are you. Are you GonNa meet in person? Will I made him get a cover tests? I Mart. Yes. Do and. I might be. A, little bit older than him. So. I said, hey. I text yesterday. I said you know if I was a slut in high school, I could be your mom. And, he's like. A total skanky highsmith. Yeah, I have to be like thirteen to having kids. Okay, right. Can. You get pregnant third? Period. Just slide. Maybe. Baby slid on. Its I told you. It's covert casual. Also at first I was like mink Cova casual. I mean obviously futures. Kind of well I'm just saying like. I'm not going to like actually date anyone like seriously. That's hot. Got Machado. But. If we both get tested and he's cute and stops talking about Israel. 'cause, I feel really old when he does that people like. The word itself, and then he told me flat tax. Talks out like some stuff from Hazel. Start? Like he's over thirty. So that's okay. Yeah, that's pretty good. All right. Let's say are you GonNa? He's GonNa. Do a test. You'RE GONNA do a test. Yeah. Already done too. Okay. So you're good. So file him. and. Then the meat angry and increase what you're gonNA. Do it not here. The kids go, there will be him but. Park. No I'm now his house I would think. I make estimate wrong. He's GonNa kill me right now. Do you care? Oh well, it is, is as name, oh, people can recently avert the. We've been working on. Issues technical issues. All morning. Yup. So we have to do these era. Cornell techies shouldn't codes. It's eight, six, nine, eight. Oh, five, six, nine, eight. Oh, five, our guys in India and it's one am one thirty am and we're keeping him up. No. I don't. Like, he's a nice guy. He's super say. He can watch him like Johnson Six am every morning that is kind of. Yeah, what do you do if you're up at six? AM The eat so much more. That's how I I. Really. If I slept in until ten around seven thirty, ish. I think like my daily of food would be a lot less because a man get and I just shared a border. Sure. I just don't eat until like lunchtime. So that's how I do it. But, at what I don't eat. Yeah okay, but so I. I didn't. So it's like you're sleeping until noon then. I've started eat breakfast like, but I'm not. Giving you. Know I don't like not a sugary I more savory. As scrambled eggs and then fried potatoes for the kids because I got a giant bag potatoes. I'm running out. The I should just give you some because. I'll give you some because I'm going to go back. Don't get a giant bag whatever you do because we've been. 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Speaking ofwith Kate Truduell: Reverse Racism might be a thing

Speaking of Diversity and Inclusion

30:22 min | 2 years ago

Speaking ofwith Kate Truduell: Reverse Racism might be a thing

"In this is Andrew Cohen. I want to say welcome to another episode of speaking of diversity and inclusion at the Mayo Clinic in this episode. I spent some time talking with a friend of mine Kate Trudeau. Who is an employment law? Attorney and Racing Wisconsin. I was really interested to see what diversity and inclusion looks like in a quasi rural community so Without further delay or further to. Let's get right into this interview with K. Trudeau as we talk about an explored diversity and inclusion at the Mayo Clinic. Yes so I practice in Racine Wisconsin I practice in a small firm. I practiced employment law so Most people don't know what that means what it means Kind of practically as I help us small businesses and in Kenosha Racine Milwaukee area with understanding the laws and and kind of how to comply with the laws. Most small companies don't have legal departments or really even HR departments so to speak. They'll have one person that kind of handles. Hr for them With a limited understanding of of what that means from a legal perspective so they'll consult with us in developing policies Procedures kind of doing both tactical and strategic things for the company to make sure that they're in compliance with the law Protected and that they're you know Taking care of their employees to the best of their ability so given the polarized atmosphere that we're in right. Now what are you finding as some of the key issues that particular are rural areas? Need to be addressed door. What are some issues that they're wrestling with right now? Yeah I guess The most of fact I've seen from the political climate climate has to do with You know employers in regards to like immigration reform and just making sure that all their immigration all their I nine employment verification stuff is you know done properly and I don't mean that there are eligible to work necessarily but that everything's filled out correctly because there's increased oversight in that area You know surprisingly like the metoo movement. I don't see a lot of Increase in discrimination. Complaints I see it a little bit and kind of you know. Try to give my clients heads up that. Hey we need to be really cognizant of this because it's a it's a big issue right now. Things are starting to come out so we need to make sure that you have the policies and procedures in place that you're aware when things are happening in kind of can address them head on because that's been a lot of the focus of the metoo movement is not just that these things are happening but that these things are being completely swept under the rug by big organization. Therefore they're making them kind of complicit in The discrimination and harass and so I assume that people know how to act we treat each other and so I would have thought that by now sexual harassment training would have been a thing of the past like we wouldn't even have to deal with sexual harassment. So what do you think is that the impetus for the metoo movement really gaining traction And exposing how a lot of people who thought that sexual harassment training wasn't necessary are now finding themselves not only in need of sexual harassment training but recognize that it goes beyond just the training. So so how do you think? The metoo movement has really sparked that in today's society. Well I think that You know perspectives being different from my perspective before the Metoo Movement I I would have told you that it is still an issue in the workplace. Not necessarily for my legal work but from my you know ten years in corporate America Before that is I experience a lot of it I saw many people get fired for it. so so. I do think that before the me too movement to me it was still a very real thing I think the the presence or the ability of social media and the ability to be a little bit ambiguous but have a platform to talk about issues Just like black lives matter and just like Other kind of social issues It's a platform for you to talk about it in a way. That's a little bit less confrontational And a little bit more comfortable for people even though it's a little counter intuitive because it kind of public but at the same time you're not sitting down across the table from your aunt and uncle and telling them something but they're still seeing the message So I think that has a lot to do with it. I don't think that it ever went away. So how do you help organizations deal with stuff like affirmative action? How do you introduce those concepts or even have them think about diversity and inclusion as things that they should be worried about particularly again as it relates to the tool we have at our disposal? Which is affirmative action? Oh Yeah I mean it's it's a challenge You know I think the biggest challenge is that people aren't as forthcoming with whatever Whatever racism sexism. Whatever ISM that they that they believe in or they hold true as part of their Their Guide They're not forthcoming with it So it's hard to determine you know is is that shaping their beliefs about employment or about their their employees meant culture so So I think that's the most difficult part is affirmative. Action is a really big. Us term that we use was And the government has told us we we need to take affirmative action but has not really given us any guidance for what that means So I think people are afraid to to do anything so people were afraid to use the affirmative action plan. What tools or resources are they using to make sure that they have an inclusive or diverse workforce? Well I think you know they have. The most companies will have a policy that says they're an equal opportunity employer Which is Great? You know it kind of raises the awareness of Of the issue. But I mean I honestly are there. Are there tool that they that companies are using small companies? Not not necessarily. Are they keeping track of you? Know the race or the gender of the people who are applying and then kind of analyzing that not really mostly because they don't have the means and to them. It doesn't seem like a large issue. They're looking at they you know. They're looking at each applicant as an applicant not based on their their race and gender. Or you know any other protected classes they might be a member of The problem with that is that. There's we all have implicit bias right like you know. I might not believe that I have a bias against one type of person but it's there So it's hard to to kind of you can't create a chart to to say while my implicit bias is is putting this person two points down so you really you know. Have to challenge. Well what are the things I can quantify about this candidate this employee To try to make it fair to to counteract or offset that that bias. So can you just drop to big bums? One was this idea of implicit bias. And I think we'll circle back to that the other piece that you you kind of dropped in the middle of that conversation. Was this idea of a protected class and is a protected class. The same as a minority is a minority of protected class. What what. What'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT. That that that nomenclature how do we how should we be talking about those people we want to bring into our organization that have historically not been a part of our organizations okay so a protected class It's actually defined by by the government you know. The federal government has created do a variety of different laws Classes of people that because of either historical oppression or their minority status Deserve Extra Protection. Basically a second. Look you know so if something happens to this particular group of people Let's look at it and say it. Because of their historical oppression. Or is it because of some discrimination against this group of people So you know. The federal government has said that you know someone's race someone's religion their natural national origin age sex pregnancy citizenship familial status disability status All of those things veteran status all of those things Put them in this protected class of people so I'm still a little bit confused so you're saying that minority may or may not be a protected class. So can you talk more about that? And I'm still looking for some clarity. Yeah they're not mutually exclusive or inclusive. you know obviously gender female Well gender here's the funny thing about protected class it doesn't necessarily have to be You know that women are in a protected class. It's that sex is a protected class so it could be that the discrimination is against the male gender but if they're discriminated based on discriminated against based on their sex in some way that's impermissible same thing with race we think when we think about protected class and discrimination we think well you know African American people are discriminated against. Well that's very well very true but the protected classes race so someone could argue that. They were discriminated against based on their Caucasian race Now you've kind of an uphill battle because you don't have a history of oppression and discrimination in the same way that you do for For the other races. So it's just something to keep in the back of your mind that it's not necessarily the minority race. The minority gender. The minority The minority national origin or religion. Or anything like that. It's just the classification south is protected. So you know you're blowing minds right like you're hurting people. So what you're suggesting. Is that those people who say that they suffer from reverse discrimination may in fact have a point. I mean is that is. Is that what you're you're you're hinting at? I mean from from a legal perspective. They have an argument. I can say that From from a personal perspective Potentially but again. Because there's not that kind of There's not a history of oppression and the history of discrimination and they have a hard time proving that they were in fact discriminated against. You know it's going to be a case by case determination but I mean there there could certainly be situations where You know an employer is primarily female and they discriminate against a male Lakewood say nursing. it we have a profession that's primarily female A male employees easier. Let's just say employee could say hey? I was discriminated against based on my gender Now the male gender is not one we typically think of as being oppressed or discriminated against. We think of them as kind of The oppressor But in that situation he very well could have been discriminated against because of his gender and that wouldn't be incorrect but it will be very fact. And Wow you're causing us to think I mean That's dangerous this dangerous stuff. Getting people to be critical thinkers It also want to thank you for giving us you know Legal advice right. It was a learning curve for me too. Because like coming out of las gloves like I got a client call. And they said they had an employee who is A white female That was claiming discrimination. And I was like batch that don't even worry about that. That can't happen. And then it was pointed out to me that it's not It's not what you are at it's your race. That's a protected class so I had to kind of stop myself and say oh well yes. I guess that could be an issue. Okay here's a chance for might mic drop. Do you think that we still need things like the EEOC or affirmative action? Are Those things even relevant in? Today's world do do Yeah I think more than ever. I mean like I said earlier in the conversation Discrimination is more taboo. Now it makes it harder to determine the the motives of the decision makers right so like they're not gonNA come out and say well. I'm not going to hire that person. Because they're ex wired the they're gonNA come up with a million different reasons why that person is not a good fit So I I do think it's important In in moreover the effects of centuries upon centuries of oppression of you know people of Color and women and people of different religions. Don't disappear over overnight You know we forget it's we we say oh well the sixties were long ago but we forget that people. There are people living in our country. Today that weren't allowed to apply much less gained admission to certain schools. They weren't allowed to work at certain jobs. own homes in certain neighborhoods. Our own homes all People remember not being able to drink from the same drinking fountain as another human being. It hasn't been that long And even if it had been you know two hundred years from the equal rights movement and four Hundred Years Since Slavery Trauma caused by oppression. Just doesn't disappear I'm not a psychologist but it's interesting. There's been some some research into the fact. That trauma crosses generation trauma. Not only you know the way families interact but also in in the DNA of the people it it mutates DNA changes DNA. So I mean I know that's really deep and goes a little bit further but I do think that these protections are necessary. I don't think that It's something we can say. Well everyone kind of equal now. I were good you know. Everyone has the same opportunities. It's just it's not true. It's not true from a cultural perspective and it's not true from a biological perspective so heard lots of people talk about this idea of fit in a number of different ways and I'm wondering is fit at how does fit fit in with this idea of developing an inclusive or diverse workforce like is can fit be problematic when we're looking at developing an inclusive and diverse workforce right. Yeah and I do think it's problematic word in an idea because yes you you want someone who's going to make your better but The idea of fits does seem like we want the same we want. We want the same type of people which then perpetuates kind of this This privilege and this It's a continuation of the way. Things have always been done so I I do think it's problematic to use that term fit in and I think the solution as much as it can be a solution is to have people that are willing to challenge what that means. What does that mean for this particular person? for this particular role. What are the goal Of the company and you know is diversity. One of them is inclusion. One of them so now gonNA come back to this implicit bias so first of all. What IS IMPLICIT BIAS? And how have you seen? It can develop as as you're working with your clients around developing diverse workforce. How do you or what impacts do you see happening as a result of implicit bias as your clients are looking at their human resource Processes so from a legal perspective. I don't have a great answer. It's not something that's really been defined really well in In in the legal kind of around you know I think you know you. You spoke about it at a conference last year. And I think it's it's starting to creep. Its way in particularly particularly in criminal law into footholds in there within the criminal justice this But as far as like employment law you know I I don't hear that term a lot So and it's really hard then if the term isn't even Isn't even known to then try to convince people that they have it right because nobody wants to hear that they have implicit bias But so yeah. It's it's not real. It's not it's not as strongly recognized term to my understanding so as an employer. Why should even be concerned with implicit bias? If there's no legal ramifications of the the the bias that I have why would I even want to as an employer engage in having conversations about implicit bias? Well I mean I think you you care about implicit bias if you if if you want your organization to to grow into the future Because it's going to affect the perspectives within your organization so if you WanNa have a wide variety of perspectives within your organization you have to explore the idea that you have certain biases towards certain groups of people and kind of explore Those biases by sees. I don't I don't know the right word Towards those groups and and then move past them and then say okay. Well this is. I feel this way because of you know this in within myself and it doesn't help me move forward so I have to set it aside that I move forward for what's best for the company So yeah I mean I think to grow to grow the organization to create a workplace that diverse and inclusive. You have to explore the idea that That you have your own your own implicit by whether or not ever going to be something that the court recognizes that I don't know I mean it's so hard to quantify it. It's a social science right. Harvard does studies on implicit bias. And they're finding that say yes. We think this exists but to try to quantify it and then apply it to any one person you know. We can't do a blood test. That says yes. You have implicit bias on so I know personally from our interactions offline outside of this sphere of Outside of this conversation that you've been on the social justice journey that you you're really looking at ways that both as an attorney but more so as a human being how you can engage in social justice activities and so what was it that started you on your journey towards looking at diversity and inclusion and equity. What what was it that was What propelled you into this? Oh that's a good question So I had kind of a unique opportunity in life In that I kinda I grew up in a neighborhood. That was very colorful I I was surrounded by a lot of People of Color. I was one of a handful of Caucasian students in in my grade and I got to experience You know kind of I don't WanNa see immersion but I got you experienced a lot of other cultures In that way and I think for me I I. I just grew an appreciation for for those cultures so for me it's important to then acknowledged that you know my first best friend You know have have struggles that I don't have and they have perspective that I wanna hear In order for me to Kinda understand the world around me so so for me that the port into kind of explore that. I was having a conversation with a a friend last week in. They were doing some implicit bias training at school. He he's a teacher so We were talking about it and I said you know like first admitting that you have this. Implicit bias is key. You know when I am driving in my car And I roll up to a stop light and I see a man Younger man black or white standing on the curb. Maybe waiting to cross the street. My instinct is to lock my door regardless of whether or not you know that guy is doing anything nefarious if there's anything else going on. That's my implicit bias. And I have to recognize that. It's an and not necessarily you know. I I don't make myself feel bad about it because it's just part of who I am but then just say okay. What are the objective things that are happening in happening in this circumstance? And is this a reasonable response from my body? Or is this just some sort of you know Kind of knee jerk reaction You know my lizard brain telling me to do something that's not really warranted in this situation so For me it's just really important to examine when I'm having a reaction to something to say. Well is this. Is this a reasonable reaction to this situation? Kate I want to say thank you so much for that. Transparency and that vulnerability in the space. So when you're working with with organizations around developing hiring retaining Recruiting advancing Communities of color or trying to create a diverse and inclusive workforce. What are some tips or things that you found useful that you suggest to your your clients? Yeah well I think that you know Having conversations within the organization in situations where you're not in a hiring or firing situation right because those are always stressful situations but having You know open. Conversations with your organization about the goals of the organization and the values of inclusion and diversity are important. Now I think we're people hind of Struggle with that is that there's conflict involved in that right like someone's going to say something that is offensive to someone else because that's their perspective And I think allowing that to happen is really important because that's the only way that you can grow because if I'm saying something that's offensive to someone else and it shut down. I don't feel heard and people who do. Not feel heard are not happy people so you. You have to let that play out. Obviously you don't want people to be you know Defamatory or you know personally offensive but people should be a little bit uncomfortable in these situations. That's the only way they're going to grow You know I have friends particular and social media That are People of Color or You know lgbtq Friends who will say things that make me uncomfortable or things that I don't understand things that are outside my perspective and my initial response was to be like well. I don't I don't do that as a white woman right like I don't do that as a white privilege. Lawyer Woman And that's okay that that's my initial response. But I always saw back to. Well maybe I do and let me try to see it from their perspective and let me except their perspective is their perspective and see how I can do better I recently read something or saw something about how black women Move out of the way of white women in stores on a on a on a general scale And my first reaction was like. Oh Jeez I hope I'm not that route anyone much less to other. You know women who care about deeply But I had a I stopped and I thought about it and I was like you know. Even if I don't do this it doesn't hurt me to be cognizant of it. It doesn't hurt me that when I'm in a store if I'm at Ulta I'm not just barging past people and to just kind of be aware of of my own surroundings and the other people in it so allowing people to be a little bit uncomfortable allowing people to to understand other people's perspectives and to grow from it. I think is important when you're hiring and firing because nobody wants to hear what when they're making a hiring and firing decision. While are you know is that because so and so is the woman or is that because so and so is is black or Hispanic or something like that. Nobody wants to hear it in that situation but if you can kind of examine these relationships in these interactions and more calm settings. I think that that will solve problems. Down the road where people will be already examining their own bias. So WanNa take time just say. Thank you kate. For engaging in this conversation with us about diversity equity and inclusion of those tips on how organizations can work to at least have conversations about diversity and inclusion are important point. So thank you so much for that. that wraps it up for this episode of Of Our show We would love to hear from you what you like what you don't like. What do you think we could do better? Who would you like to hear from those? Are All things that were excited to hear about On this podcast and so That's it for today. And this is Andre Cohen from the office of diversity and inclusion and this is speaking of diversity and inclusion at the Mayo Clinic aggregrate day Tom.

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Since We've Been Gone

The Friend Zone

2:47:23 hr | 2 years ago

Since We've Been Gone

"Uh-huh. Two. The friends. My mom, she how his sale. Mcgaw Fleischer would meet you go. What? Okay. Here's the thing. Even further to my point. I'm so glad you say that first of all I want to say that. I will I will wanted to head the intention. I was inspired by Regina king. Her recent Golden Globe win when she declared that from now on her productions we'd be fifty percent women. So I definitely was inspired by that. I wanted to lead the charge with young black women young girls this week, you know, to open up with that. And that was a young black Queen. There's just spoke to that word that we heard now. Yeah, we laughed. You know what I mean? And it was hilarious that she said. Her mama was sleep. And her mother really was sleep with her ball headed. So funny. You know, but what I love most the way her little mind. Her reasoning, you know, such a black women have often been the leaders, and they often think ahead, you know, for everyone concerned about everyone else's needs first. And she said that her mama was sleep. And she said let me go. Before she would me and wake up, even though she had that chronological order the fucked up the point would urgency, and she did not want to disturb her mother sleeping once again black women thinking about everybody else with themselves. She didn't want to wake her mother because her mother needed rest so cut when she had to say short, even at the mouth of babes. So I was just impressed by that thought it was stellar. And I really wanted to open up with that. So the hashtag this week. Okay. Let me go. That's it. Let me go. This you want to let go before mama bar headed as well. So they're being said. I just wanna welcome everyone to the show, and we do that with a couple of q t in as okay, which. They need answers the round here. We like to call them questions niggers asking, okay? Question one swallow. I won't be interrupted by my own body. Win will the truth be told once and for all that the reason black ash China? Okay. Which is what I like to call it because he's famous for her as she's very black. So black China she is from now on. So what's the reason with the truth be told? Okay. The reason why black gas China and Alexis aunt as bright as the sky. Okay. So black China and Alexis Skye, where's the truth going to be told her why they got to find the other night? Okay. Which is because China told Alexis stop talking to the ceiling. Okay. And when she talked to talk with Khoza, and then Alexis told her that's why you'll baby like a pizza. Chef and win is gonna come out. That's the question is win. Lesson to. Okay, it all happened so fast, which one of y'all. Okay. Said that Andrew hallway Ono? Okay. Andrew familiar with him delivered. Right. So one of say that Andrew, well and Jordan, black and scary TV peel, okay? Which one of your joy with twenty that Andrew Carwell enjoy appeal with the same person just on different walks of life. They look like Andrew Cohen, which one. That's all right now, you're gonna get Andrew another job. Now. Question three, and we can wrap this on. Which one of your said that's kinda Joe. The like Demidov Joe, but with Newport's which one who's that? That's the question. We would like to have answered we want to have those answers this week as we welcome you to the friends weekly look into our things mental health, mental illness and mental hygiene because which one of you all would like to have a musty brain. I know that that doesn't apply to me. I can speak for you are as well. So Hello, welcome everyone. Hey fran. Jima such a cute. Little kid is does I believe the same thing. She's so cute cuddly. Early. We've been gone for a month. Beck with the jump. All guys a great. Well. Yeah. See I mean, how do we even cover? What you've done in a month. How's your month? Man. So many things so many stories toll so many bumps and bruises. Yes, they have been you know, had to hold. It's been a lot. It was good though. It was it was very it was good. Very good. You do for New Year's event. Yeah. I had to go to Atlanta for some works out to the head. And then I actually got a chance to party while. I was there. One of my very very close friends had a huge New Year's Eve party in Atlanta at the five ninety five believe it was five ninety five north. Okay. So that's where we weren't. I don't know. Okay. But it was an amazing party. We were on stage. And it was just great to Mr Turco Warminster tech this year. It was fantastic. Instead singer sent a message in a bottle, but that was great and then also had to go to LA for a little business. So it was out in LA for Christmas. That was great. I got a chance to see my best friends and really get some important work done out there. So I was you know, around the world been around the world, and I. Real month. It was amazing. It was great had Christmas in Atlanta. At home. Yes. I did. I went Sunday, and I went to the black concert. It's so funny. I where I did not plan this, and and that damn trampoline. Well, I didn't do any of this. It's so funny. My style into. Iraq up almost like buying all sorts of is a good show. First of all first of all I wanna fight black like on site. The first night he had to show in Atlanta. I think it was either that Thursday Friday night because he did like three nights in the last show was in Atlanta on that Sunday that I went, but that I show he didn't Atlanta Defoe Faibeaux came out. That would have been a whole moment for me. But it was still he still travels Puerta come out at the show that I did. And he still had a bunch of people come out. Also, he had Ari Lennox open. Hey to see her perform bouquets Ireland. For always being craziest. He'll her Instagram live hilarie getting her ass on stage and delivering the shit that. She does. Yeah. I love it. Yeah. Yes. My lives. I'm still waiting for her to New York's that year. She did a great job. She brought a earth gang. She's on the song within track. So I just shut onto Ari links, you know of the fan of the friend zone. But it's been a great month. Great time to be alive with about you. How's your month? Been it is gay. We saw PJ Morton remember. Brooklyn buzz extra before Sante jumped to CRE and black. Yeah. We both for like seven hours sounds so. Right. And then in the opener, actually, listen. Oh, that's right. What was his name? Hold on until you right now. Peter Carlin, Peter Collins. As opening act. Oh, I mean the way was found. I. The way he was looking. Canfield college. It was a really good show feeds in the. Very very simple. Amazing job. He gave me a jacket customizing my name. And it's almost dead that Jack. Every day all month. Thank you for that piece. As was super sweet Assam wanted a on a photo. She wanted his photo shoots. And I was like I want one. He's like it's one of one. I'm like, oh, I feel you brought it to the show. Thank you for that. The show is gray PJ's. Incredible. Everybody knows that. Then I spent New Year's in San Francisco, my best friend and her babies and her beautiful new houses, just so inspiring. Our friends are married with babies and have houses, and I was like great. Well, you know, that's good for me. Because I need to our saying on Twitter harbor spent so much of my life oh on career. And I kinda wanna start shifting that energy to not not saying I'm trying to get married have a baby right now. But I'm saying trying to make sure that I have a balanced life, whereas just work work work. But you know, what I make time for sweetness and people in love and all the good things I deserve. So I wanted to bring it in with that energy. Which is why I was in San Francisco with my best friend, her babies and all the babies and the house, and you know, just more of a family focused bringing in of the new year because I like bringing it in. I like to end it with the tone that I want to bring it in with just kind of like my ritual. So it was perfect. And then I slept a lot you guys. Oh my God. Did you guys feel like you just got a ton of wrestling? Oh, and you know, what I was so rejuvinated, I've even been returning the fitness. Guys about me a little apple watch. You know record that thing and tell me to stand up standing up. I love that. You you making me wanna get one you. I'm not you know, what I'm not gonna lie to you just that little nuts because I remember back when I first got my remember my Fitbit. I do. Yeah. Fifty three steps whatever. So then I may shy downloaded the I'm not trying to shot call somebody. But I doubt the Nike sports app. Be seeing like when the ten minute run be cool today, and I was in the gym. And I did ten minutes. I was like, wow. I can't believe I could do this. They said Monique narrates the feeling. For the apple watch. It's a feline at that Monica array. So like when she played in precious actually across get your mother fucking. Yeah. Making allays. Oh, and I got to see houses house. Oh my God. You guys you see the bird video. She sat me. Tell you, and I actually went with my best friend her babies 'cause you know, house has the sons, they're all very family oriented. That's like my family oriented side of the world. But they so they all came with me, which was really nice, and I was nervous because I didn't want the babies to like tear, you know, kids. They jump on shit and pull shit and put out. You know? I was like oh my God. Kids like relaxed. They were actually pretty cool, but her houses dream like what a blessing. I was like grow. You really mad? Not another story. Like now wanna see the actually the next time. We like if we happen to have something in San Francisco odyssey. You welcome. Just to go, right? Because it was well am I best friend's house too? So huge as I was like, you have like a house house like is that house that you you picture people growing up in with the long mahogany staircase? I mean. What I mean? Like, it's a how a grown adult house a big family house, and I'm just so proud of both of them because they really stepped into these lives that are just so cool. I was like, you know, meanwhile, I'm at home like seeing with Jordan's coming out. Let me. Let me tell you something. I mean, join us acute on this looking at the air monarchs, the Airmont the monarchs think once first of all why did I buy them? Right. And then somebody was logging account. They were like all hold on. I'm gonna try to get the shipping for you. Like how you going to do that they cancelled the order they could just reorder them. Right. No. That's. This works. So do not call Nike, and I couldn't back. Oh. Now Doug will be reunited, you've gotta go on the go app. But it just might be. Yes, we will be reunited some shoes be worth. It. Maybe nj here this episode, and will maybe she's. Dahlie, happy Capra Corsie's. Happy birthday the nj. Taxes? Yes. She to engine. I was super thankful. She sent me the comic Assam platform. The court says back there was so as don't know how arrack them staring at them. I'm like challenge accepted 'cause you know, I don't really rock platform. I would figure it out. We'd make acute off whites in Atlanta, the pink shoes, all those. Okay. I was like I could get away with these. The. Anymore? You wish them colors aesthetic, and that's fashion. They are. Absolutely. But back to the break. Do you guys feel rested recalibrated needed doing? I was actually ready to get back to work when it was time to which I liked I like, the I didn't feel like I got pushed back from work. I like that. It was like I felt good and ready. And even when we saw each other today, it was like genuine excitement like oh my God. I can't wait to hear like everything that you've been doing see also go back last week. But I want to say nothing about y'all wanna go early. All you should've said. In the bed lake. No. I wanted to. But I couldn't even sit like compose the message, let alone. No, I was all at taco Tuesday. Taco to buy. Was dead. Jim net, we honesty, my favorite part was just being able to travel and not be like, oh gotta get back. 'cause you know, we have like we're anchored to New York on Tuesday nights in a lot of ways. So I was just like to worry, you know? Envy staying longer if I wanted to win sleeping in until I wanted to my favorite thing is letting my body sleep until it wants y'all do, you know, the first night like when I was done with all the toys, and I came back from San Francisco was like my first night like really being home and on vacation, I subbed for fourteen hours. Fourteen hours our up the next day at didn't know what they was. But I was just saying that we have these careers, but we can do that, you know, it is a privilege in just after so blessed that like we could say let's take a month off and rest and recalibrate like I wish the whole world could do that. Because it's so nice blessing and to show my respects, listen that Seoul holiday by the sounds of blackness on Christmas LA. Because I felt like I needed to pay my respects. I don't know if you have my room bugged, but I was definitely praising earlier today praising guy 'cause I was thankful that we were getting back to the shot, and I was so thankful that. I was I was like thank you for this break. Lord. Thank you just the time to like, really cook. And come back fresh life. It's just important. It's so important, and I knew it would it be helpful. And I'm glad that like we all feel it. Most importantly, we feel that it was helpful. So. Sliding, you know, easing our way back into the friend zone and being around each other. And what we wanna do for all the two thousand fifteen. Of course, we have a lot of amazing stuff plan for you guys. We figured today that we would kinda ease in and jump with each other on what's been going on in the news, news culture. 'cause we've literally missed everything I feel like we're the late birds. Where do you wanna even thirds? We could start with box. Actually, fake transit. Actually, factually thin. I was gonna actually start with snow. I didn't want. It was an informed decision. FBI say tell you not to waste your time. Like, he didn't shoot part. I just I. Yeah. It just you know, it was a little bit too much. When I started hearing the word entity, keep cropping up. You know? I was watching 'cause I was late when everybody was talking about all camel. Bulletin gamma watt ultra Ryan Campbell watches, but I was just taking forever. My we went to his house. And we was watching the guy he didn't. Now, actually what you first of all one of my we minutes coolest, not not yours. But I feel from him. But he was on worse. I had to go. Anyway, I was smoking. We miss watching. He was like, yeah. You know, I want to watch this movie and this Sarah Paulson came on when he's not that scary bitch. I'm not gonna do this, man. And then the minute that her ass was in some shit. You ain't shit. He was right. What did you think about a friend? First of all, I don't need to watch. It. No, not for me. No. I totally forgot like enter teas and hard and all that even watch her movies. It's not really horror, but I saw Bill sheet. Now, I'm just playing that movie was good. It's fuck I just hated the ending. But we'll get there. Go ahead. I I didn't understand the hype. I will say that like the fact that there was so many memes Josse people blindfold in their kids doing Burbach Schild. The church that had like the bird box night about like entities. They had erred boxer Burbach. Yeah. Joining post will be watching this became preachers. Have netflix? To have Netflix. Box club night, where everyone was bland folded, which I think is hilarious. I look you pay. I don't know about that. I wouldn't pay. I would have been at the party just to see like. Burbach sounds. Full-front on Martin Luther King boulevard. Strip club on Martin Luther King, lavar at any city where they do full-frontal. Hi, m maybe is because I saw quiet place, which is similar to sounds. A quiet watch. I didn't make this place. It was good. Film is a response, right? It's a silent. Please have a moment of silence quietly. Who are quietly? So for box. I really feel like the hype initially was because it was Sandra. Bullock, you know. Right Trevan team. Which is kind of popping cause for him. You know, his career here big deal for that. That's a that's a really get mad at Sandra Bullock for being with a black, man. Yes. The story line. The fact that his haircut was all five years that they were in there. Man. Let me tell you something. I guess having a tide of van Dan around is is keeping them fresh. I on. Okay. I don't know how he'll provided volunteers van Danna. Toy a toy. Right. Bonnet embiid. She a baby she may we'll pay for the movie Bander snatch. I didn't watch bender Sner. Do that you know, he destined. What liked it? I feel. Yeah. You hadn't see with that one is is it's I mean, it's innovative. I guess now we've seen before it's the choose your own adventure. Innovated it where it's a story, obviously, it's a movie, but you get to choose what he does necks in different scenes. Like, there's a seeing what he's talking to therapist. For example, scares me. It's cool because with remote with their remote. It gives you two options. Like, she starts asking his mother. That gave a bit too. Whereas load out and they asked you like the therapists asking him by his mom cause she's trying to figure out like what his deal is. And so then it stops in the screen says should he talked about his mom that scares me already? That is so user side. And then if you say, yes, he starts talking about if you say, no he throws a little bit of tension like on some like don't fucking ask me questions. So you literally control the trajectory of his mental health throughout the whole movie. Like he can even make all the worst decisions are the best decisions. Have you tried all of them know, my best friend was the one that we actually were laughing 'cause I was like ink. Are we doing this on your account 'cause she was picking all evil? No. And that's why I stopped because you had to pick and choose whatever control vibrators. I gotta sit and hold on. I'm gonna do this later. I thought it was cool. I mean, I think they could have had a better story lamb. But I get that. It's also the first one, so they obviously gonna come out with more and apply better. But my friend netted Connectik he was like Yala dumbest hell for doing that shit. He was like, obviously, they're gathering data to see who all the fucking sociopaths. Domes-? It's like well make him kill his dad. Quickly, darling. Back to Burbach just for one moment. Where did real go into the house where what do you mean when he popped up? Spoiler alert for anybody cares who we gave him a month. When they all get going to the house, you know like in the very beginning. When Sandra Bullock's pregnant finally gets to the house and all the people are in there. I don't see where rail runs into the house. Like, I feel like all the people ought to remember seeing. What I'm saying? So I feel my remember they feel like they're in the kitchen all talking about like what the hell just happened outside of the rail. Just step for getting real getting I seen Chevanton because you know, he helped Sandra Bullock house maybe in there. But maybe it was busy looking at Trevan Tei, but see. The list. Cow. Was that gnome the wrong actor? Yes. That the right actor, maybe it's not the old, man. Asian dude, right. Maybe row was already there with them. But he was to do from the grocery store like he worked at the supermarket. So I was like why would he bidding? Never mind now. The bird by slimming that chatting figure that part anyone. That's the new watch it for his review the kids. I should they running around y'all got gotta do business. Now, though, I'm going to that scares them fun. It's a long time ago. Those you make the call commercials used to scare me like every ten seconds left. He makes the past. You make the call then it will go to commercial, and then he will come back and tell you what happened and then go back to the program, but the commercial suspense feeling used to scare the show PTSD from that. So like that whole choose your own thing for the movie to be watching and movie to stop and be like now. Do you want him to do choose? This. Choose their who is talking to me. Playing a game. Exactly. Right. With the lead in the in the show. He like freaks out some points. He's like who is controlling my thoughts. New. Piano, close time to go watched you on Netflix that was fucked up fucked up. Start getting washing out his fucking shit Grena. Like, I need a clan. Sabrina was crabs. I mean, we're yes, it's darkest him. No, I didn't watch they had Christmas. It was good as her back. Trolling. Say for real. Episode and it's coming back in like, April or June. So I'm not too far because you know, when they did a stranger things it was like a year later. Oh, ain't nobody going right? And we still do every now. And then, but what's something else that came out? Well, you on a you good here. Yeah. He plays in the girl from the IRS. Oh, I don't know. That is good. Oh, no. Yeah. That's the one. She was with Bianca Lawson on pretty little liars. One of the girls was a lesbian and Bianca Lawson was the name on us called peaches or something like that. Pete pete. No. I thought I'm thinking big little is. I widow. Little lies clothing cut pretty little liars. Big little lies coming back. That was was the clo- was good pretty little thing. That's the clo-. That's the I g. Destined to watch you. But would like I started the first episode because I like to do from gossip girl, I will say made me freak out. Like the fact that he figured out her I can life off of her Instagram. He figured out what she lived. He was watching how the window how to like her friends he hacked phone. So he was able to see what she was saying her friends about him. It was a journey social media the moment I can. And you know, that's like a new scam. Now seeing a threat about it where somebody will taxed you pretending. Like, let's say you get a tax and say, hey, Santer's friend number. You're going to save it because this me think it's me. So then the person continues talking to you as if it were me and has a whole convoy, which you picking your brain seeing when you our you what you doing this weekend and always link and they're trying to figure out if it's like a sex trafficking. Ring, you know, and like a new way to use the digital space random movie on licks Cam. It's it's about a girl and she like a webcam model and the like some algorithm or some shit ends up actually trying to like steals her face in our account. Should I like lobster at her sheet and the girls like apparently like she wasn't the first one like she finds out like one of the top girls on the website actually was replaced or some shit. And it was like one of the stockers or the one of the fans rather ended up stock in her and she found out that he was like following the girls up until they became missing. He was like, oh, I was going to try to help you and he was really going to try to waste the last minute safer. It'd be a pervert, but you know, my. I keep seeing the banner that's on Netflix. I. But it was still good. I was like damn I gotta let my friends they only fans like be careful out there. Trying to. She. With that tax. If you get a text with your friends saying this new number, you bet ask them when they hit you. Right. 'cause that's I mean cap anybody's. Steal face. They finally to do that on FaceTime and said what have you been watching? Been watching while been watching a lot of stuff, of course, are the usual suspects. But what have I watched that like Netflix and Hulu ish? Well, I can tell you this. I spent some time with I spent some time somewhere and game of thrones was on. Yes, listen, you know, I'm not going to be. Because the white Walker thing still. And then when they. But I remember my sister was there was a episode where my sister lilac dragging. They got you watching way too far. Like then. So there are remember. My sister being really really upset by the scene and remember hurrying everybody, basically saying I cannot believe this like I'm ready to stop watching the show. But so I asked my friend to show me that seem 'cause since it was on it. I didn't wanna like mess up the five dollars playing the background like show me this scene. I was like my sister said it was the scene that everybody hated whatever. So my friend was like the RIA, wedding or whatever. Oh, damn. So I saw the scene with the big massacres. That's what you gotta watch it. So that you can be part of our watch party. Watch. They had on the Bill close. My watch it. You know, what I'm saying everybody looks like a a fresh ask choir. We like swayed robes. Cans on every goddamn thing. It was good. Now, obviously, this changes the vibe a little bit. But the other thing that everyone was watching the Pasco Balkans was the Arcot leading documentary with dream Hampton. Go ahead. Dr Kelly we yeah. That's the problem. See as literally the problem. So, you know, my thing is this right? He's got his thing. So my thing is this like my sympathy. Muffled focus for watching that whole thing was like the kids because at the end of the day. There's no debate in my mind is wrong have six kids like this inhumane. So that's where the problem is. There were a few people in were part of the conversation that experience some abuse as hands, but I couldn't really focus on them. And I felt like a lot of them were thirty some year old women who knew about the fact that he abused these little girls, and to me they was just as bad as other people that didn't care about him abusing them little girls as they knew about this shit still went after the chance. So I just they were in the way to me. You know what I'm saying? Also, the parents that were interviewed at the end of Asante are no Asante was the dumb girl. And then I was mad at her for that. Because she had John name. Got it makes me sick taking his name. Same. Did even watch the last two episodes. Oh, yes. The best part. And this is what I part I could not want. I couldn't it was. So it was so like like the first couple of nights was like damn like, this is also like much information, and it's so fucked up then so real that we were watching this nigga do all this shit and playing site. But then it was like I can't do listening more than parents that went to the to the concert to celebrate. The husband's birthday brought a seventeen year old daughter to the concert. And then say now, you sitting up here telling us his story about your daughter being held captive by this nigga. And then you tell us we were celebrating my husband's birthday. So he went to the art Kelly concert. Brought our seventeen year old daughter. You know, everything that happened y'all in the way get out my way, 'cause I mostly like y'all in the way on my way because y'all knew was doing there's no way a hill. You bring your teenage daughter to R Kelly concert, even make no fucking say jumped off stage. I remember they were they were remembering wistfully with like smiles. And he he just he came. Right. I'll stay he put her right out to put put on stage would own stay. That's what they were doing. I wanted to beat the shit out of that hole like seem. So they was in my way, get out the way shot out to Michelle the mother of Dominique shout out to her for persevering. And that's that's literally mother's love right there for real. 'cause she went and got her baby. And what I was most impressed. It's so funny to me how an amazing essay how human sometimes we go back to our most honest moments when she finally got her daughter in that car, and she was like I came back for you. You knew I was gonna come get you you. So smart you so beautiful. Right. You so like reaffirming are just that was so natural to me. And that was that was literally like we could see it was like her motherly instinct was the entity from bird bikes, and we could see you know, what I'm saying. I was gonna ternal instinct, and that was his mind blowing to me. So those moments made especially. Yeah. Sorry assigned the girl Sante girl. I hate she experienced the Beauce she experienced or whatever he not experience, physical abuse as never okay. But I I really wanna go off. But I'm I'm trying to be kind because it's so sensitive, but she was in my way, and those parents were in my way, my concern is for them babies that were taking advantage of babies children. So that's how I feel about it. And also, let me say this all these people that are having these conversations with they're saying, oh, I'm not going Dr Kelly or whatever and some of the people who are saying Mutahar Kelly don't do this funeral declaration or to be defiant. If you're gonna meet our Kelly that means when it comes to your personal choices of the music that you listen to the music that you're willing to dance to if it comes on public the music you will in the by the concert tickets you in the by those that's you making the choice not to participate in all of that. So don't be defiant. And say to me, well, I'm not you not Kelly. I'm playing that's act of defiance and to me, what are you being defiant because again the root of all of this is him molesting children having sex with underage girls. So you being defying against that? What's your point in letting me know that you're going to continue to listen to his music, that's your choice. So you do that. If you are right with that when you sleep at night, but you don't have to share that shit with me. And some of you mother fuckers who are saying immune him, you're just as bad. You know, you're only saying because it's trendy and its popular in and you don't want everybody to think of some of the people that are saying they're muting him. Please believe they in a car jamming a step in the name of love. They just don't want to know it. So they're just as disgusting to me. This is how I feel about it. I mean, I watching it. I guess the hardest part was trying to think back granted we were young. But I was like we really missed up this. We really known these stories. I remember Nino living in Harlem when the Dusit used to sell the DVD's not DVD's VHS is that's like how far back the VHS is on the blankets on the sheets on the on the sidewalk. And I remember it being our Kelly tape like it, would it would be part of the collection of movies that came out that month or that week and even being in school and people talking about seeing it. I'm definitely complicit in all the accident. Remember it being a really big thing and people being like, oh, did you see it? And we were all talking about it. So I think would would did was trying to think like where was I mentally at that time that that wasn't weird to me. 'cause I don't remember. Feeling out an out cannot say that I was little in being like, oh my God. Is this all wrong? Somebody do something. I don't I don't remember saying they're feeling their way or expressing that to people at all. I think the sad part is that such normalized behavior, you know, especially as young girls like the documentary was pointing our we're socialized to not be cared for not be anyone's priority. Nobody's really concerned about our safety for the most part, even as displayed by the parents. So, you know, and then even seeing the cops were complicit other his, you know, his peers knowing this, and it kinda just being thing. Like, oh, yeah. Even do French Montana. Be like he released a statement. Like, no, I think it was future. Like, that's his thing. Leave the man alone or whatever else I one or his brother even in the documentary talking about ASA preference. You know, like. Right. Jail. So people just have I think. Outside of China. Remember like, wow. We really did normalize his behavior to the point that even us being victims of it. We're still numb to it. When you know, we just were numb to speaking out about it. And just really really mostly numbed out. A lot of us have been in the same position a lot of dealt with celebrities when we were young actually was thinking about that too. Like, there's some celebrities of people can call out, and there's the fear of the backlash because even look at the lady that caught out the Cavanaugh when he was being nominated to be supreme court her life was living. Hell right now, you know, a living hell right now like and she's white. Imagine. And you was calling out people that have allowed power. So there's a lot of fear this attached to it your life changing people would be like, oh, you got to do it for the community. Okay. But are you going to be walking to the train when I'm on a hundred whatever street, you know, what I mean, making sure that I'm cool if I shut out whoever so there's just so many layers. I will say I was watching an interview with his youngest brother where he basically put it all out there what they went through his kids and the hands of their older sister and ours mortified. And I really want them to get hope. So I think it's also that feeling of accepting that he is both an abuser and victim and like accepting both sides, you know, like, they don't cancel each other out. And I really, but his brother even said it he was like my mother's not going to get help. He's just not he's he's not that kind of person. He's not someone that has ever accepted what happened to him. And because he hasn't. He hasn't accepted who it's turned him into what he's done to other people because of it. So there's a so many layers his brother looked devastated. Current tag. Can I kick ball change? You know, who else said that he's never gone a gal who Yama I was watching her sway in the morning. We're all I was like wait about this. She was talking about it. And she was talking about way swim in the morning. I don't know how they started talking to her about it. The hill is see doing them pantley are Kelly stout. Says was that true? She was talking about how you know. She asked people whenever they come on like, you know, what do they want? And he couldn't give her an answer. So she was like so it's true that he hit her up recently wanting to do an episode. I don't know how recent it was. But she was talking about winning when it was supposedly whenever it was supposed to happen, or whenever it was discussed that she knew she couldn't help him must have been written questionnaire. Then because she was she says she said that the people when they come before because we. Right. And I was just gonna keep playing right on into our sky. So let's he two pm today. Paver got sleeve on this. But she wasn't. Papers because you gotta do put it in front of the new season of her show, which also just retired fix. My life is back. That's three easy ways to. That's why he was okay. We do it fix my life. That's right. I see these kids. Imitate? Ways the wooded. I'm curious what she said you gotta go back in West End. Tell you that are Kelly could not be helped. She said that the process she would have to take him to what she has have to take him through in order to get the work done. He was not able to go through dam and she knew that. So she said she couldn't she couldn't do it. Wow. And that he contacted her wanting to help. Surprised because her name is tricky. Doesn't how did he tell them to reach out to yonder? Well, I'm gonna watch that also think he needs like behind the scenes help. You know what I mean? I don't know like this is serious not saying whether Yala doesn't serious or that the stories that people share especially people that aren't famous like the families that come on out as Sam not trying to validate her work or how it helps the people that come to the show, but also feel like this is serious. These are little girls that are allegedly. So that we don't get sued allegedly in this house all the lives. He's destroyed all the women now on the show whether people believe them or not that's not for us to decide. Meaning that mean, but I just think he needs a total different level of hope like for the rest of his life help not just like a thirty minute TV show on own. You know what I mean? Also don't think this is something that should be like entertainment. That's the problem. He needs to he I don't know how to fix somebody wanted to be sexually abusive to children. I don't know they came like, I don't know what that is. Far as like him having some healing for personal traumatic experiences that he's been through. I think that'd be beneficial to anyone that's been through something. And I think that anyone who's been through something deserves the opportunity to heal from that. So that I do have an understanding of. And that's awful about that. And I think I was even watching. Jada on red people talk. She had Lisa van Allen likely as guests which was one of r Kelly's victims and even the conversation. They were putting about if anything what's most important aside from us looking back and seeing how we've been complicit as a culture, but also the conversations that this is kicking off in with people with friends and relationships and men with their dads and men with their moms and little girls and mothers with their daughters. You know fathers with their daughters and just anyone who is actually taking the time to pull out the layers of what this is kicking up. So if anything I'm just happy people at talking is so important I've seen people sharing even on their podcasts. Their own stories of abuse men and women, and I just, you know, me I'm like, yes. If everyone would just talk and open up, the saddest part. That I saw in the interview with his younger brother that on YouTube was that he was saying that when it started happening to them he wanted to talk to the mom so badly. But he just didn't know how you know. And that's another thing too that we have to figure out like how can kids feel comfortable having the open dialogue to tell you when something in their life isn't feeling right? He knows so this layers like. It is so many layers so many layers to this. But like I said, I'm glad people talking about it focuses on the child sexual abuse. Yeah. Well, yeah. Everything else. I really just don't have the bandwith to even you know, what I mean, that's where my personal focuses. And that's not saying nobody else has totally care about that. Or whatever. I mean, everybody's personal focused reality is everyone's gonna get pulled to different aspects of this conversation based on your life. What you've been doing your point of reference starts the reality member, we've talked about this before all in our own movies. So this part of the script that you feel called to make sense that you know, one side of it for me. I have always my brain. Because like I said, I'm someone who's been through this on so many levels of the show. I just always wondered how can we how can those men get helps this? We can get to the root of it. And he can. Stop happening. Obviously, the victims need all the support and love, and I'm glad that they had an outlet to speak on it. That was the biggest thing that Lisa van Allen was saying on Jada show. She was crying. She was like is good to be able to talk about it number one. And to be seen by people to actually doing something about it their organizations and their numbers being spread conversations being had blog posted being written interviews, you know, like it's like she's just felt so relieved that she's finally seeing apparently she tried to come forward with this back in two thousand eight and like every other victim. It just got swept in the road documentary that it was over twenty cases have been brought against him and settled out of court. Wow. So you got a question integrity, some of these pants. I know circumstances affect the decisions that people make are respected. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes you gotta do it. You gotta do. But I just. Questioned ninety one of the fucking kids don't want. You know, what I'm saying to me? Truthfully, honest. I don't even want to smell my own. She you clean up somebody else's at half to do it. I want no kids, but the quite the integrity in parents, man. I just question it 'cause there's no way in hell, all you. Gotta do is is a have been sexually abused as a child or be see a kid think about somebody taking advantage of them in that way. It's just it just it blows my mind. And so that's where my heart goes. So. Yup. And that's it. And look at them people looking like a fool with pants on the ground. Just see the the people that put up in front of the protesters outside the studio and started blasting his past clip 'cause I'm crystals. We're watching the boondocks her house. The episode crystal eight hour watching it 'cause I couldn't remember the episode like I was like, remember Arcadia. So I wasn't like two hours. I think I was in college that point. So I wasn't watching the cartoons. I've never been a cartoon person. I was probably like working so slaving away. But they were playing the episode, and it's kinda wild that episode. They're playing the music, and then this clip comes out with really in front of this three opinion the music into point. I think that's the part that I'm really confused at how people are reacting his music wasn't that good or much. Good. But it's not so good where I'm sitting here. Like, I don't give a fuck with anybody. Right. The name of love we really out here like galley rock. Full I face arguments that attorney people showing up at people's houses on point music is music is my life. I love it in my blood. But I've never felt so attached to it that like it trumps anything else that's happening without artist. I just don't feel that answer to be honest. I honestly, honestly, I can't even tell you the last time I sat in my crib and press play our Kelly record or sat on the trains commute. And was like I wanna listen to art Kelly. I have not been connected to that dude. In a long time who's getting into Lee all of like, I'll play it was probably the only album back in the day. The I really played the fuck out. Like, I remember having the CD from Columbia house, and I could sing every song from back to end. But beyond that, I don't remember being like super attached to him to begin with. I was on the car recently with some people before the documentary like air. And I'll never forget after the platelets like Ambi because it was our Kelly saw play, and I wanna make a first, but like afterward those whose playlist this. And there was like mine, I was like, you know, you're gonna on that are killing. It was like he when I heard it. See? Okay. We don't don't see. I'm not like my thing is like I know what the decisions I made. 'cause like I can't listen to to me you've taken the fun and the enjoyment out of this music because now I hear it. And whereas twelve play was my shit. You know what I'm saying? But hearing him giving structures on what to do in a sexual situation now is automated associated with what I've seen in this. For me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm good. But. I don't feel the need to tell everybody. I'm good on our Kelly's music. You know what I'm saying? Because the thing to do that's what I need to say shit. Nah. I for me in my my heart. And in my mind, you know, what I'm saying, I've resolved the, you know, the fact that I'm not finished just be banging his music, or whatever and listening to it. I'm damn, sir. Now about to throw money his way. Like, those are my choices though, not in making because I feel like that's what we're supposed to do. And all these sends. So to me like this all that shit like. This. There's somebody I know who recently on their Instagram story, they felt compelled and this is the spirit I'm talking about. They felt compelled to put a post saying, I'm not feeling Mutai Kelly. I'm not cancelling kind. Yeah. And I'm not cancelling Bill Cosby agenda here, and I'm just not going to support. I guess my thing is I why I got to know. 'cause now I'm looking at you. And I really think you're a stupid person because of this declaration you've made maybe I'm being selfish. But I just don't wanna feel like that about nobody else. You know what I'm saying? Like just don't tell me don't be that defiant asshole. That's telling me this just to be against some a lot of times people online also feel pressure to perform their activism if you don't do it. Then it looks like you're you're like agreeing room way. If you're not like fuck cat or the mute are Kelly with the line across his name that everybody was posting on Instagram. There's this idea that you being quiet means that you secretly agree or that you secretly aren't against him. And so people do feel pressure. You gotta admit that, you know, the internet will make you. I mean, I have people hitting me up. Like, what are your thoughts? In my head is like Mark question is always why do you need to know? What I think what do you think? That's what's most important because the conversation that needs to come out of it is how does these stories how you processing information in? What are you going to do about it you shouldn't need to worry about what I'm doing? 'cause I'm going to do. And I'm going to do about it. You know what? I mean. I think so there's g everyone needing to know what the other person thinks when at the end of the day, how do these stories align with what you've been through? Maybe you need some help too in these stores will help you get that help. Or maybe you've done it to someone. These stories will let you get your help like figure out how if it's near narrative don't worry about what I'm gonna do with mine. I think that is the nature of the internet though, you have to perform your activism at. Yeah. Know me, I don't plan. So that I lived there wasn't even online. I probably am just getting back online now with. Having to promote this episode tomorrow. That's my first sweet new year. 'cause I just haven't really out. I just don't really play into that. 'cause it's also it's it's stressful to because then it's like, you gotta do Islas press. Release says it, you know, also people also have to respect how would people's processing is you also have to remember this is gonna drudge up a lot of stuff for a lot of people. Maybe they're processing their old traumas, and they don't have anything to tell you 'cause figuring it out. You should know speaking for myself. Fuck you feel about this shit. I think I feel about this. You follow me, you know, the tone of the things that I speak about. I'm clear about a lot of shit. I don't think it's okay to fuck kids. So don't ask me, you even asking me. What are your thoughts? That's pissing me off the fuck. You think my thoughts are what else should my thoughts? Be. So like just all of that. I'm like you. I'm. I'm not playing into it friend. Yeah. No. You know what I did this weekend? When everyone was online deciding who's for or against him hours at a high school, speaking with little girls, someone created a program about it. And it was actually little girls that are from the project I'm from and they wanted these little girls that don't have a voice don't have access or resources or anyone who really is looking out for them because not only other women with their black. And then they're poor in the projects, I mean levels. So that's what I was you know, like to me. But then I'm not going to be online like, well, this is what our. I didn't do it at impose their picture. I was like, you know, achy stories trying to show the little girls faces shits kinda make people feel better about who. I am. But I just feel like that's how I deal with things. Like this made me feel like what can I do because that's something that I have gone through. And I've managed the process by the grace of God. And I wanna just make sure that pass on those tools. That's how tied you with. This are Kelly. What else was the last thing? Oh, I guess the last one would be the government shutdown. Have you guys been affected or anyone, you know? Really travel. Really thank goodness. I have not been at the airport or hurt TSA really been a little thin. I was scaring Chris Luca. She has a flight. And I was like you show you on. This. I ain't going to work for free is called work. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to work for free. And I don't know how long they think those ages are gonna continue to go to work, but that's hard though. But then I keep doing that getting jobs in like a thing where you just go and get another one, you gotta get to work everything going to work cost money. You know what I'm saying? So these impossible for them to continue to work without pay literally going to come to a stop. So. They better get the fuck together. But everybody, I know that selling food stamps still selling them. So I guess, you know, it may be a government shutdown, but the government is still open. Okay. Mcdonald's in the White House. So explain to me who is a four of Clemson Tigers. Okay. So who are these people football team? And why are they being honored with big, man? They beat stupid they beat Alabama or something. I can't remember speaking by show. I don't know they want something eat. They're good American team. Good athletes. Good. Good guys. Big big guys. Lots of. So that's where it was paid without a his own pack right to mind, you good like another good point. I saw on Twitter. The gotta hotel down the street has luxury catering services. That you feed them, you know, all this, and then you want, and it's because you know, it's a shutdown and pay I paid out of my pocket bitch. You wanna the richest motherfuckers in the face of the earth full of dirty money. No, don. No. Did he know Kalina and you pay you ought to pay you ought to pay. And then Donald so you really didn't pay. He's a victim by his head. He's so I can't even process that man situ -ality show would have dumped I've friends I work in museums as curator's like this Sonian, and they're really dealing. I guess people don't realize exactly how many but affected. He has say air traffic control, people, regulating our food. Absolutely. And it's going to be to think about like the other vendors and the airport when they start closing terminals onto enemies, forget about it. JFK got. Get rid of one. That's what I'm saying. All because of Donald fucking Trump. I two flights coming up in the next Monday saw and I had them rescheduled. I was like I don't feel comfortable. I'm just not gonna take my chance. You know what I mean? Like, traveling right now, if I don't have to have to definitely like that rescheduled until all of this figured out right JFK with the TSA, which are, you know, rightfully so I don't blame them for not being as vigilant right now. Because like you said they're not getting paid to do. So but the thing even plugged in. They probably got more focused just walking through you say, it's helping like they scan and shit. I think was in Atlanta got a gun through all the way to Tokyo. Oh, no. Yep. Clocked until the Tokyo, and they was like hold up you traveled Hartsfield booking Jackson Rita all the way to Rita so airports. I'm like yet. No was us out of here. In those stories of like what people are managing to smoke through now. Because it's not, you know, it's not that serious over there. I'm not a merger. How Giulio Santana feel right? Somebody said that to literally lasting. Just a week for three more one fucking week fed up. Imagine awful man, speaking before we get the TV. I'm just gonna say the fuck let that happen. Teeth avenues, he thinks you ain't seen Jewison Tana's new teeth. He has dentures new team those are denture teeth because he lost his teeth. Oh, yes. Fake daters. They added, but they're literally since I weighs Vallejo. The teeth are literally like up and Adam. And I just can't believe. I can't believe I can't believe that. They let him. Why would they? As somebody. Today taken nicer here. Now looking at going down a little bit. There's like a, oh, no, okay. I can't. But who I just don't understand that happened because his teeth don't fit in see right there. You can't see no more teeth on the size like that's what I stopped at one in the middle. That's real. Oh. Evan years. Get them like two big his our angle, they they're ill fit it. And I just don't know. And literally he has a list like he speaks now. I just don't understand. I don't understand who let that happen because I wouldn't let go out like that. Well, I know you wouldn't talks really bad. It sounds really bad every time he speaks and he didn't use to talk like this rap like getting over an addiction. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Prion even thinking about them teeth, but can Bella and were right? So what the fuck where you are doing this shit. This man get his teeth reclined who like what is part of the story line. You know, they knew that we get attention. Who knows? I don't all these shows who knows I hope that ain't it was anything else that we miss Burbach Spanish snatch. I know we still doing the TV segment later. But even since you brought to you now I want to say Bravo, y'all tried it because we are just now finishing the marriage medicine reunion. Like, I cannot believe they drag it into the new year and made us wait for all three of these parts. Whatever union. Yes. It was. It was great to see when we got it. But it was supposed to have been happening back to back to back. It took a break. So we had to wait for it to go into the new year. So they have ratings for it. I guess I'm assuming that's why they did. It, but it was still great to see. Wait, Dustin the section, but anything else? Coacher? 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But I so that's kinda like I've always been someone that's been been big on foot rose because like I've mentioned on the episode before. It's just so good for your body. Obviously it releases endorphins which is like the happy hormones, and it kinda makes orphans go all around your body. So you magin you just feeling like all your cells your wellbeing. This was so good it cuts down on cortisol, which is a stress hormone. So anything that helps you get a little bit more of a handle on your anxiety nervousness, just feelings of depression. Obviously a foot rub doesn't cure your depression. But. It helps you in a moment. Get a little bit of relief or you can breathe gained some clarity. And just kind of help the chemicals that are being released when you're stressed kinda helps them cut down a little bit. You can think a little bit better. So it's just nice. It's a nice break in a way. Always think of it is like when you you're driving your car, and you just press the brakes on it. That's kind of the effect. It has given you a moment to pause. So I'm always a big proponent of people getting foot rubs Asante will tell you the place we go to is amazing. Our to marry all of the. So I was talking with archaic told you we're gonna be doing a lot of work throughout the year. So we're trying to come up with like me. No, remember, my old school Ziara. Why projects on YouTube? I used to like. I'm this that version of friend that was fun time. The coursework go. So they kind of back to my roots. And we had we were working on. A salve for foot. Rub. A black pepper south. And so tell you about it. So. This is the solve that it has black pepper in everyone that uses black pepper for their DIY. Just back up in general to cook. Everyone knows it promotes blood circulation. Rights specially loud, people have sedentary lives sedentary jobs where they're sitting for most of the day. So your circulation, can you know, be blocked a little bit slow, especially if you the way you're sitting all day the way that your legs. Are you're not walking not getting oxygen to your cells. So that's what it's great for the black pepper. That's like the the the how would I say it star get you gotta that's the star of the south. And then it also has nutmeg essential oil, which is a natural sedative that reduces pain. Sometimes people have allowed a knee problems lower back problems because your body trying to overcompensate for what muscles that aren't getting used on a regular basis. And then it has Balsam fir needle, which is an antiseptic. Antiseptic helps with infections, you know, people out of issues with their toenails. And they don't know what do you think of how many people you see their feet, and there you look at them. Like, you're not gonna get that check out block list is long. I got a little salt for you. It's great. The bossom Fernie is great for toenail health. And it's also the toxic fire that helps odor. So even if you don't have. Look sometimes people need to figure out what to do and happy. Imagine having an essential oil that you can use that will help you and. Yes. As a beautiful natural opposite. And then the last thing, I don't know. And then. Almond oil, which everyone knows if you follow me on you two years ago that used for that was my go-to for cleansing outweigh say it single handedly at kid you not I'm not exaggerating Yano. I'm only going to praise what I've use it single handedly cured, my acne. There's no if answer buts about it like that's how I went from being someone who used to use proactive in high school 'cause my skin was so bad to me now where like I can walk around with no makeup and not feel insecure 'cause I don't have like blemishes or any marks look, and I feel fine. Grew and beauty of sweet almond oils. It is loaded with vitamin E, which is so healthy for your skin sales, and has fatty acids that are really helpful for chapped skin, which think about it. It's the wintertime don't get Trump's too. And they go people's feet, you know, most whoever relief chapped fee damn San Fran Elman oil, smells good too on it. I'm it's subtle when you get like. No, that's not a love this way. Jergen Smith the real Allman. That's not what his most like, Jerry. That's what I was hoping for. Louis, you waited I'm winning winning. Going to do is in a double boiler. Right. You're going. If you don't have a double boil it the way the ads 'cause I don't have ice with the old school way. Is that I would take a pot fill it with a little bit of water enough to boil and then put a bowl like a Abol that can withstand heat, of course, high heat put the ball on top. Just make sure that the bowl isn't touching the water. Make sure there's enough room in between it way the water. That's in the pot can boil up, and it's not gonna like have, you know, water shooting out of the side of the bowl. So is literally just for the purpose of heating what you're about to place into the bow. So you're going to place one tablespoon of beeswax where I love about beeswax, obviously, it's natural. But it's a protective hydrating barrier that doesn't suffocate the skin like petroleum. So it's moisturizing, but it also allows skin to breathe. So that's why use beeswax you're gonna put twelve drops of Balsam Fernie total. Spell if you guys can. I know you're gonna be like, I don't know what you. Do you wanna guess go ahead? Awesome for needle B A L S A M. Yeah. For if I are, okay. Needle. E D L E. Boston. Exactly is gonna put twelve drops. We'll know sorry in. No, no, no you correctly. You're gonna put. Once beeswax is melted. You're gonna put that in then you're going to add seven tablespoons of sweet almond oil, and you're going to let that heat together. And to it clarifies literally gonna turn into like a clear liquid once it's clear you're going to remove it from the heat. And that's when you're gonna put in twenty four drops of the Aric Asia black pepper essential oil, twelve drops of nutmeg essential oil twelve drops of bossom Fernie, it'll and that's it. And once you put that together and mix it up you're gonna poured into a little glass archaic actually has some, but you can literally grabbed him anywhere little four ounce jar Porton close it up leave it undisturbed overnight. And then when you wake up in the morning, you have a black pepper foot solve and obviously is amazing. Because like I said, you're promoting blood circulation. It's a sedative that reduces pain and antiseptic that will help you in case you have any infections toxic by that can help you with odor. And most importantly, the almond oil. That's super useful. In case, you're feet tend to get really chapped, especially I know a lot of people think of the shoes you tend to have to wear it work. You know, sometimes they're not the most comfortable, especially I remember when I said be having to wear heels all the time. God non slip shoes. Oh my God. Remember? Hey, and you know, work shoes. Let's keep it real. Don't always smell the best because you wearing them every fucking. As people at work. Rubs off on your shoes. Worked in a kitchen on food at the bottom of my shoes. Oh, man. So something to consider try try that it's really nice. You know, what I think people should do? I mean, I was I think you should make it for yourself. Because like I said, it's a really great solve shots are acacia. But I think it'd be nice if you made it for someone especially you know, like this for you. And like not only did I make a foot south for you. But and then massage your feet with something that you made isn't that really acute? Got the front you gotta you gotta frame. Yet. It's got to be framed. Right. That's the only thing you gotta be a whole night. You know what I'm saying? I like, you gotta get to that point of the night to make their gift make sense, you know, so you can't just come roll up on me know, black telling me I need to put black pepper. You wanna get cussed out? But if we've been on a great. You know, you you pamper for being on my feet. Black APPA salvo. My God damn season. But I would try. Who needs it Sherri shepherd? Could you? Who else could use this look like these it perfect candidate who has Glenn Close? Us her. I need another break already. This can go sweet magin. Already said the primary and asking Rame the proper way to say I made this black purpose. Our? Say that you put enough what gives it the scent? The Senate makes it smell good friend. It's not meant to smokers. And we had a drop. Lavender relevent. The chemistry. Mix. Can we do you some lavender Blakely, and we do the clean linen? Hey. God damn feet. That's what. Purpose. I love it. And I want to try to make it, you know, to, you know, making for y'all and bringing in little. Little bows on it at a p q at look something to consider maybe for Valentine's Day. But I'm not. Well, maybe you guys have a thing with feet you. Don't rub in fee. Don't no this is my tribe you like weapon feet. I think I'll talk about all the time on this show. And you rub them. Oh, baby. Step step, a first base it. Okay. But it's just gotta be a sin. Maybe we can you know. I don't know, you would know friend. He already likes nice feet. So there's not going to be a situation where my niece. When they got damn fees thing. This isn't just for people who have said chapped to be shifted. It'll help if that happens to be your element. But that doesn't mean that you have to wait until your feet already jacked up, this could be precautionary south. So you keep your feet health even more strong. The way yo see you need some precautionary. I mean, protect this put sect of south. Black gray my feet protective, protective black purpose. Damn feet. Don't my feet. Accu up also wanna make you aware for those of you 'cause it's amazing giveaway. They're having a give away I noticed on their Instagram. Well, actually, I'm gonna give you guys I swipe the link and turned it into a bit. Lisa be easier to tell you guys they're doing giveaway that's valued at five hundred dollars a diffuser. I counted has a image. And it has like twenty five plus bottles of essential oils. It has scrubs it has like sprays and miss 'cause you know, not everyone likes all some people. Prefer miss kinda like the ones that Ha's makes that you can span on your linens and on your pillows. I know see doesn't like that one. Real for breeze, right and natural version of a breeze, and obviously people have different sense that they prefer and most importantly, you gotta remember that essential oils. When you breed them in the Roma therapy hits your lungs goes into your bloodstream, and depending if you need com- if you need sleep, maybe you need energy, maybe you spray it so that you can wake up a little bit earlier. So you put something like lemon, which is known to like a little bit of energy in the morning. So whatever it is that you need they're doing a massive giveaway. Valued at five hundred dollars. Like, I said I turned it into a bit league. Because when I was like how that's Harlem this link along Ashley, but I turned it in. So it's bit be I T dot Li L Y forward slash all day essentials. You go on there. You go on there. And it'll redirected to splash page where I was looking at all you have to do is put your Email in. That's it. Go on there. I think is gonna prompt you couple rules follow their Instagram, which is our acacia. It's a you are a c a c I a follow their account per emailing on the splash page once again that's bit dot Li forward slash audit essentials and hopefully you'll win. And apparently, it's not just one set. They're gonna be giving these out until March. Me they added like that though, you know, five hundred dollars worth I was looking to image like, wow, they even have scrubs ano-, some people like scrubs salt that you can. So so you to you bad. So it's it's a lot of different things that come in the package. So good luck to you guys. If you try to black Pepe, Sal. Black pepper. Let us know. She's saying thing case for bringing me back from my my DIY routes that was really fun to whip up with them. I'm being you got some bottles. And then we're talking water with friends. And that's this week's wellness segment Assad same to music man, which gaffer's is week. Oh, you know. I love nostalgia. And last week. I was on Instagram and shut up to Keith. In from rated Rb kaeding is keeping. I'm like what a cool name keeping keeping. And I'm this keeping his a ad is I am keeping or you can just look at follow. Because it's it's I am K E I T H A N. Yeah. That's key thin. Okay. Right. Anyway, he did a post on his Instagram. Came across my time line hasn't that was his brain. And how pokes did some singles from Billboard's hot one hundred from two thousand four so fifteen years ago. These songs were on billboards how one hundred and I'd start it would be cool to go down the list to somebody. So. Two years ago. I don't even remember what you like fifteen. I was like I was fifteen. That is crazy 'cause these ads just oh shit. I'm like, wow. Oh, see. Now you. Oh grown every time. When I talk about that gap some towns like I'll be mean, be me. I know about that gap damage, you is, you know, saying back in two thousand four. Go ahead kicking off on this list outcast. Hey, I was on the billboard hot one hundred. Beautiful. Fifteen years ago. I think that is so wild that a lot of these songs on here could come out today and be ahead. Usher usher feature low. John ludicrous gear. As well as burn. Oh, I knew it anew it. There was no way. I could just let hate this song. Now. And it's crazy 'cause yet was number one. And then burn was number two. Also this year is a Alicia Keys. If I ain't got you. A beautiful beautiful unfussy in stoppable like that was a head. And it took me when I read back because I thought about the weather too. Because in the video, I think it was like snowing or cold or something so damn this is the leash keys weather out here. She's hosting the Grammy's right issue. Yeah. Okay. I'm a peep just for that. Yeah. Outcasts also had on the charts. The way you move with. Don't they? Mentioned goes to maroon five this love. So they Butte fifteen years ago. Yeah. And they the number four. I don't know. I thought they were out much longer. Will they probably do something before? But that might have been the son that like shot them mainstream because I thought that was debuted album made me, I'm not me entrepot Randall randomly, right? I've met somebody back when she will be if I were own five came and ran into them randomly in LA when I was in LA over Christmas break. Nick Saban keeping up to 'em. Like, I cannot believe I'm looking at you. And it was great. You know? That's my song. It makes me like say, I get emotional. Like, I don't know. Why? I mean, I do get very most. Mckown? Not follow the car with broken smile. Santana. I know. Oh, I love that song. Sierra PD Pablo goodies give it up for this thick like grid debut. The that's on the hit number one. Wow. It was number nine on this year when peaked but yes, it is on the billboard hot one hundred. So number one, it might have gone number one at some point. But on two thousand it was just number kitty slate reputation for handling every because here jail. Man Pablo's having a late. Sounded like anyway, they did. Yeah. Good number one on. Oh. Peaked. The number one September eleventh two thousand four. Eleven she went number one bugged out this breezy. He said Jay Quan tube. See everybody in the club getting. In. Was Hugh moved twister featuring Jamie Foxx in that other man. Woo. How it go? I remember it. But I can't. Oven gay Luther Vandross. Deficit. You're going to be gonna be gonna be gonna be be. Ready for some new edition, some Manny reputaion definitely set this party over. The jammed the armor when I sit came out, and I remember didn't have the music industry on in headlock for a while your soul samples. Wow. We mad now Konya. Konya? Also random inching low Flint, featuring Lear out enough out the song, sunshine. Yeah. That is. Hey, I'm actually I used to love me step on one. Oh, six in part. Low key little flip has some good music on the lowest keys, I get a little flip catalog. He has the rapper here. Obviously, he's a low also that year since we were talking about that man who I don't wanna say his name any more. He had the summer Selena Johnson off all down lower huge. Could lease milkshake on here. Two thousand four what song and what an album what a song didn't sound like anything that was out at that point because he took from funky music from Brazil. Actually, it was the best that whole album the shit also twisted overnight celebrity another one. Another one. Oh, what's the definitely that was dope era for him? Christina Milian dip below Darry saying that wanted. And you get. My. You ain't done eating you. Say. Sit. Least you. He's also diary at least featuring Tony. Tony Tony forgot diary was this year. Yeah. Oh, the black. These secret actually diary. Thank you me. Go listen to that. We got. Such a crush on seeing. I'm not gonna lie. What's call away with the damn you could you wanna come roll with? We beat. I'm only one call away you could row with me. So key. Secret way way out. So I couldn't talk. Come out today. I think we were headed to DC where we were sharing are guilty, crushes all tell anybody. I share mine they all like have. Jay was like. But singer a, yeah, I guess he is guilty grows. Baby. Damn what was that song had with Janet? Ooh. Change too. Right. That was this shit. Remember him, Danny? I can't remember this day. Texas. Your. Yes. Wait. What was that song? Before we talking about. Little flip Leah's, sunshine, never mind. God. Sure. Who else? Who else also d twelve allows? My band my band. No, detroit. Yes. They were accounting collective twelve for real and rested piece to one of the members in the group that passed. When I was like best friends with Eminem, right Eminem. This Ching's year holiday drive out saying we'll it in snoop. Yes. Wow. Black peas. You know, it's that you have to our Ramle was looking up the other day, he dropped music, and it's not good. What happened because he was doing really well. And then you look like a dad like he was dressed like some golf gear something it was very odd to watch. I think he's took got some credit, whatever. I mean, he to be on the millennium. Oh, we the talk about the millennium tower is it millennium or millennial millennium Molyneaux. Okay. Y'all. Both says totally. That's what I said a different not millennium millennium tour are ya? Going going, really? I'm coming. Going for real. Because I want to be there. And then. Don, I g stories the clothes. We are currently planning outfits. All God me go on. I wanted crystal. Christly. Oh, no. Chris. Chris by that she on this setup. Oh, yeah. A little flip game over. Cool j Sperone hit. Got a whole to their song. I think. Rian? Do you remember when he was in that movie deep blue sea in their bring it was a movie where it was I there were on this boat and the boat got flooded in sharks on there. And I think he was the chef on the boat. So why he was on everyone that shark eight Samuel Jackson. He was talking. Jackson, Wisconsin everybody out on the ball. Jackson, Cussing, and you. Like right in the middle of custom out, a shark came to water fucking for ladies ass, right there on the off the thing you remember that. Absolutely do. Blockbuster. The new release and NC seventeen youth restrictive. Always wanted to see. I miss those days. Honorable mention because it always comes up anyway. Fifteen years later or fifteen years before him baby bash featuring Frankie Jason. Fahey's kid. So. Oh, man. He looked like the nickname bone the police came to the door on heavy. Okay. Now, there are a lot of things that I skipped over on here around us wanna give good variety. But there is no way that I could say this list without mentioning one Reuben stuttered. Sorry, two thousand four. He made it on the billboard hot one hundred. He's they're good. Ruben. Well, yeah. It was he will. Everybody all the black people felt like they wanna American years. So everybody will sorry thousand four it was a moment. Him and clay head a Christmas spectacular on Broadway. This year. Needs for play. They had a Christmas show on Broadway this year grant for I don't know how long it ran. But it was on Broadway. Literally. Christmas. What is it looks so funny, and they're like, the, you know the. Eh even bring this up. But I thought that clay can was one of them singers on that damn show the mass singer. Oh, we didn't talk about that. Well, we can now. Yeah, we can talk. We can. That was moment in two thousand four list. Tuck singer today's episode is also brought to you by stamps dot com. 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This is how it happened. I saw a tweet that said I never knew I needed a Cup needed. Gladys. Knight covering SIA chandelier. No. It was somebody else. I can't remember who it and carry. But we got on maybe Mason first, gentlemen. That's right. I think it was that Twee, and then you responded, and then I was like, wait a minute. What is be? And so I click it, and I was weirded out. I was blown to the mirrors closing in shit, and they will shape like hexagons and I'm scared. When she opened her damn weird that they got Gladys Knight in a Bumblebee costume, or you know, they said Gladys Knight. When senile? I know they really. Weird. See I think real you remember when she was on Apollo like last year or was it the year before when she was hosting Showtime at the Apollo Sea was one of the judges. And gladys's behavior was kinda like they're taking advantage of her. She signed up there in a bee costume a God damn because soon. But no, here's the thing. I don't think they taken advantage of ambience silly. But I do think I do think that was a hell of a conversation somebody who like who got her to do that. Have you watched any of it like the emphasis, I've never watched the first episode? And then I watched like the whoever lost the second one just to kinda see 'cause I want I was interested to know like more of who were the people in under. So the first episode the guy that went was a football player and second episode. It was dam Chong from fucking teaching Charles inside the clip a when they did the reveal saw that they will reveal who the people were. But I was like why are you doing this type of show that it's supposed to be? But I don't really I don't know about it. It feels degrading to me. That's great. The hostile. This is Gladys married. You dressed as a b. She. And I'm glad she put that shit on. Lear. Like, they said, I never knew I needed that let not war Santa Lear. Behind curtain. Lear. But when she was a beak hosono that voice. The ads to it. And that's not being I'll actually wish she didn't take it on. I just wanna already over time. Gotta worry because their characters like it's for me. 'cause like in the first episode like I don't know if they did it on purpose with the way, they were like the line versus the whatever and my the Mazda versus this. And I was like what they gotta be this. I'm not into phase. I'm not either. So it's kind of like. Of fucking. Because you know, sonic box. You know, my video game hero just happens to be a furry which I have no control over anyway. So out the private parts. I how do you have sex air indicative upon everyday may Qassams four because some people might have cut out, but some. Doc. Doc door. Jeez. Louise anyway. So how does it work? They have what I wanna know. A bunch of mass characters. Me I meant to the so no, wait. Each week a bunch of mass characters go head to head and are supposed to battle into one is chosen to reveal their mask. Not a way that they battle is too. They each perform after each performance, the judges try to guess where they are. And then the them as was the audience votes who they want to keep or not keep and so when you lose that's and you have to reveal you are when you lose you go through the three rounds and then at after three rounds starting most for who should review. I glad it's nice saying that they better not saying, it'd be home. So yeah. Pretty pretty much. It's it's degrading or not degrading. But it's it's. Your. She was a Bela hips. I don't think it was the grading. But the behavior. The way. Listen. A FOX costume and have a on state with the way, she says, it would it need a Baker be the way she says in her packaging. She's like I've been known as I forgot win the clues. Yes, she was like she was I've been known as the empress of soul. But now, I'm here to show them thing to new generation, right and show them. I could be a new their quiz show. My voice to a whole new Jenner. Right. Something like that. You can call me with the title the emphasis more fitting, which was a dead giveaway because people Gladys Knight the inference of Saul those clues her moving around that skit that suspense feel black man. And then they're saying that the monster is t pain, but it insomuch perfect sense. But nothing like that we did have a voice box. Ooh. He was singing like like, I'm not pancake actually seeing for real. No, no. I don't see banking thing. But it is all his tone to me. But he can do different things with his voice. Like, I know he doesn't care. So that's really. Oh, whoa. Cat. Warsi asong, people know honesty is find a great, I know. That's why I want. That's what made me be like. Okay. Well, what's going on? What are they gonna? Capitalize off of this and put out the CD D the D humi to the streets talking about somebody. Oh, gee, I'll say. Party gals took her flows. Feel guilty watching. This is is no something about it makes me feel queasy shoes moving. Fran. Putty goes took it fills pull enough it. It'd be cast taking icons from backing the name being like you have to do this. Like, you have to how you relate to the means and putting. Bourbon. Glass, and they you have to do this. We have to do it makes me, I don't know. And also, they're not all singers too. So like a 'cause when I saw Chong come from out under there. I was like damn Jim Jenny. Mccarthy was right was high Napa. She she was like Cheech or might be wrong. But I'm pretty sure it's cheese. And I was like damn it might be Tommy Chong, and it was his ass. And I was like this missiles, right? They gotta sign. A signed me about the. Gladys got me. The reason that I watched when I saw that clip outside going to watch the house thinking. One two. Somebody say all this time. I've been thinking that was an inspirational song until Gladys sang the lyrics. Clearly this song's about a guy down alcohol. About the massing. The music. Man segment would listens lately? Picks for the new year. You guys wanna shout out a lot of stuff came out. Right. A lot of things came out. I've been listening to a lot of things we've been gone forever. So there was like a whole hiatus of like Gucci mane drop something rest. Sean drops twenty seven drop. Something dreams dropped eight million. Yes. So just swear if you wanna. He did. Well, let me start with the kinda Joe once again keeps popping up. She was riffing on a bed on shade room rolling around on a bed on the share on. But the song was playing in the background. Was it song by it was so beautiful to Google the lyrics, and it was actually a damn Demi Lovato song, we'll carry it's called you. Don't do it for me anymore. And when I tell you. You like that song friend that project? Honestly, I had no idea. I just thought she was a dirty girl for Disney. I didn't know I didn't know what I mean. No. Dirty like bad girl from Disney. You know what I'm saying? Like she used to be like a dizzy kid now, she's like a bad. Yeah. Fail. All the time. You. I love that song. Okay. That's the point. What you when I tell you that song. And even like the words it's just such a beautiful song. So shout out today. It's tons of rap music highlight visits the music segment. I do wanna take a moment a huge shot to none other than cash out and trees. Good. No, I saw a clip of it. I would like blend or sitting in the doozer like insider. Rubbing her foot with black pepper. Cassie. So see him like ground. Yeah. Ground black pepper sale. But the video they premiered the video on Harper's bazaar. And I thought that is such a fast, and they got so many like looks in the video. Oh, yeah. And I just thought that those two Brown girls having their video that is fashioned. You know base premiered on Harper's bazaar just thought that was just perfect. Congrats to them. I listened to a lot of music. Listen, I'm Brandon. I've been chilling. Okay. Telling you when I think out by the end of the year hours tired of listening to people speak. I was tired of hearing myself speak. I was tired of sounds of that makes sense. I needed to just unplug completely when I'm unplug I'm internet music anything where things were coming into my head as needed like, silence and nature and family in listen shit. When I came back, I listened to like a couple podcasts. I got back into the podcast. You have that ever happened. You like sometimes you get some music music music. And then you don't want to listen to any can you get into podcast? Me a lot. But when you'd be like sexually active you have to play music. So sometimes you don't wanna hear you still have to have something to play. And it was they, you know, why haven't been in music mode funny enough. I've been listening to a lot of audible, I listen to this is the music, man. I'm gonna let you play. Okay. So Michelle Obama's book, I listened to as did I was cleaning houses on her tummy about her life. So I haven't been music mode. You don't have to have been a music moment. I'm a give you something because I want you to be able to give the people something because it's the first episode of the year. Yeah. So tell us what you were ending the euro with people you in the with and people that you want to start the year with people that you pick for this year predictions things that you wanna see more of music here. You can do as well. If you this is for France. You know, what can I just say? I think this promo that dream. Ville is doing is so cool. So simple with the yellow and the cell free freaking simple fresh so cool that they said that out the invitations. And then I thought it was just the, you know, the dream Ville people. But then I realized they were sending it out to like our producers outside even media, like whatever whoever came up with that kudos to you shoot ago. Okay. I was like, hey for. Hey, we. Shoe super cool concept. I'm really excited. I'm actually unfamiliar with those mix tapes. I didn't know that this is like the third one on pantley. Psalms effing have to do my homework and listen back, but I do love that the Arslanagic's gonna be all up on it by the looks the IRA's insta- stories, and I g picks it looks like she's working on a lot of stuff. So you could tell she's like in her zone definitely excited for her new project. I'm excited for more. Jack davey. I know arly say that. She the stuff that she's been putting out has been good. She's been kind of dropping teasers and some visual Assam excited to see if she's gonna hiss like a big project this year who else in my excited about who else. Let me see tie. Am excited about dawn Dahmer. So. Then she dropped like a visual something dropping little like video content video pieces that are promoting this new project. I think is tomorrow. Well, I really comes out isn't. Yes, I like ace at. So it should be good. And also the clips I've seen of their tour. Carry was at the. He went to became to a so, you know, his stories told us the whole so, but I watched it. Woulda Jim of a person like dawn's costuming on stage. All of that. She's in her bag right now, January twenty fifth January. I thought it was on today. Please get out of here thought that dawn was coming out with her music. On my birthday, Greg leaks, by the way, when he was talking about the black pepper oil. I was thinking about how he loves grapes, his grape seed or course, black pepper. I would like the lines. Yes. Always low on the so angel pops positively dropping something soon. So I'm curious with asking to be a rumor going around and some some jogging sues. I'm kidding that's needed. If it's be. I it if it's gonna be a new sound. I'm cited I never know what she's gonna do as far as the sound. So I'm in love already to. Yes. I kinda have offend the. I mean, I don't know. I feel like she might be dropping the. Oh, Hello riana. That's win way autumn hose who I'm so excited. The heavy hitters. So that's. He's comforting. Yes. It's going to be a good year for music. I mean, all the years have been spent a lot coming out. But I saw somebody. They read tweeted an old tweet of rearend from two thousand thirteen when she was like new album and the cover comes out, and they re tweeted as you thought it was. Twenty. You. Gassed me. Shut out to Louis York. They got a single music, and we'd that I mean. Using again, we thought. They're actually doing well you guys keep talking in. And I'm gonna pull it up because I definitely wanted to shout. It out. I am so excited them going to hear more from SMI know snow's going on the road. He's doing his poop detour Saab so excited tire driving. Gosh it to do. Speaking to hire says her song sampled again. Be you might road. Cry. Kyw simone. This portion box. ATS medicine. Lames Kaya Shimon. Yeah. Yeah. Give me that Michael Jackson. Remember, she. So okay. Let me let me. Thank you came did like Instagram live, and she was obviously some kind of drowsy and. And. Because, you know, came you say Artem surgeries on our ask guy. On that dope. They're paying him shit. My give me that my cadets it. That's a gimme Michael Jack. She she covered thirty Diana. Come. I Michael on guy. Now. I know I say some crazy this really you never heard thirty. Thirty. Familiar with her? Louis York tour. So they're hitting the road. It's called the love takeover tour. They are hitting Atlanta at the Sydney Sydney year, meet at the city winery on January succeed on the seventeenth. They'll be Charleston, South Carolina, one eighteen they'll be in rallied rally, North Carolina. One nineteen Richmond on the twentieth. D C and then on the twenty first and why see if you want to? You know, we all go be that we're going to be in the Bill if you wanna check those dates again for yourself. You can go on their Twitter, which is at Lewis York music, L O, U I S Y O R K M U S. I see at Lewis York music on Twitter, and it's their pin. Tweet. It'll tell you all the dates from the sixteenth do the twenty first support them takes takes. Again leaves ticks. In their bio, you can go to weirdo workshop dot com for more information. Yeah. Actually excited. I wish I could go to all the cities. But I definitely be the New York one for short. This close to get on the plane go to Atlanta just to. Oh, Atlanta's alive. Fucking with me. He thinks I'm crazy for show Consob e book, and you see I try to slow my game down. But feed that was too much. Sounds good. All right going. Hey motormouth music now. Gosh. Was on her things. Anyway. Because I wanna hear less of. Unless somebody else. I want to hear more lice game kisha like what she was doing towards the issue put out a project, and then coq of coca bango also put out a project, and I believe that they're both under jazzy Fe. Cocoa brown. Put on a project to. Jesse phase been out here. Really like teaching these artists like some things, and how to hustle and they out here doing it. So shot up too jazzy Fay, also taking your Jesse fables working with Seraya. From empire. Yes. She's though she is very doping bring her up because I was recently watching the Chris Brown. He put out a new video like a week ago. We as the riot leading girl in the video dancer sample. Yes. And I heard like in red. Wow. She sick at TI Taylor doing everything sue. Dance dance piece. I wanna see because she put out three or four songs, maybe and maybe one or two of them. I was like this could hit this could really hit. So I'm excited week on Asti to LA LA, LA LA has the lot everything challenged. No, there's a challenge challenge. So cute to really cool dance baby here tally Kenny Taco Bell. She excite. To meet me. Yes. She's the I like nasty damn new was one person. I was gonna shut up. But I just forgot that fast said CoCo Van Gogh coca Van Gogh shouted him out because he's a also Jesse papers. And it was somebody Jesse Fay was really working on jazzy face minnows doing a lot this lately. So I've been noticing. That's I noticed Mr. Faye? I know that's different now music man, we can in. Let's move onto TV land. Jazzy faded jazzy Fe drive. To TV land. I'll he got his notes. That's right. Let's get this process. Okay. Love and hip, hop, New York. We already talked about you, exactly. We ain't going there about them teeth. No more. So I can scratch off my list because it was on here. Like, I married. I didn't. Yes, they had a winning. That newlywed game thing was out. Have you seen that? It's like some promos them versus sending they now are they got married for like a wedding. She really wanted this. Congratulations. Just in time. They did. Yeah. They can barely. She don't care about nothing. Longest can barely got on his shirt. She don't like a tight, you know, like they was outside court on a cat down. I'd say it. I know you must have been in the car as she literally looked like she was going to work out. When was going Seattle some easy shit easy season shit the courthouse. So Kim Bella what else is on. He's nosey. Andy's adoption have you seen that? So Yandi there's is one of her the girls that she mentors. You know? She's very active philanthropy. And she has a foundation for little girls that she's really really hands on with and one of the girls in her program. She ended up binding with the girl share with her that she was experiencing some like whores at the hands of being in the foster care system, and she was going to run away. And so you Andy told her she could come up with her house. And now on the show is unfolding. The process of Andy, actually, you know, becoming a foster mother to this little girl. She's nervous right now. Because. Does she she's finding out the legalities around her even having the girl in her home at this point? It's almost like he's harboring he know a minor. So it's a lot going on. I found that to be so interesting and what a distraction because I'm ready for main DC to come home from jelly on like Mandy year. So I'm ready for me to come home from. Chew through. I would show. It was a lot of name, you know, to people I wanna give credit to that. We now say their name, right? And that's men DC's Carucci 'cause we had a lot of fun with those two people's names. And they. Oh, they have. Felix? So good hopping is she's a great actor good actor lane killing it on Klaus, man. Not we know your name now, and it's not because of Christina Milian outside of Sydney fucking star. Oh my God. She's gotta go put on the trash. Let's do you know who Sydney starring. Okay. So she's on love and hip, hop, New York. Right. And she's on their her story line is she's been aggressively deeming rich dollars. I shouldn't say aggressively. She's been consistently per Sistan, Louis DM ING bridge dollars. Okay. He finally answers. She told me that she wants to chance she wants him to like manager help her recording artist. She wants to wrap. So they put her has her recite something, it's awful. I mean awful awful, then they're like, okay. That's but listen everybody has to start somewhere. Take this beat work on it. She tells us how confident she is comes back with something else the pits. So I'm like damn 'cause I wanted I wanted her to do will. I mean awful about it every everything damn her. I'm really gonna kill it, y'all. I'm really want to do it. And then she starts rapping. Yeah. I'm Sydney star. When I walk in the room. I'm just that bitch and people, and it's like are you rapping now like it's kinda weird. I don't know she sounded like Jackie Christie. Remember when Jackie Christie was wrapping basketball wise, but coochie shades six hair like that's how that's how Sydney star was wrapping. And it's just so ridiculous. And then they set her up there with nihil Lee. And they wanted nightly to help her which the fact that nightly could actually help her saying, right? Everything needs to be said, so. Where's she done? She's got a great songs. She's got a great new being head features cashed out love the phone with cash down. But what has she really done now? So she has had opportunity. No, she's put on music. She's put out a lot of music. I've looked at some records. I've looked at now. Look, I listen. But I've seen it. Right. She's putting out music, but the cast off song I had to lift it because it was cash darling. And she did good on that one. But can't tell you about the rest, fun fact hidden fact, so you guys know that I love the dreams and nightmares. Intro by meek mill right? Yeah. Know that's Dustin song the first time. I was introduced to this song. When it first came out like before it really blew up. She was dancing to it Neilly was and like like beautifully like extremely talented dancer, and it was gorgeous. So that's Harlan about that song fun. Fact random fact, anyway Remmy pop loose now for some reason everybody on the show goes through me a pet. Puz for advice down do nothing on this show. They didn't they need to go into medicine because the focus of them being married, and I don't I know it ain't no medicine fake marriage. Boot camp, you know, judges on day they need to like go somewhere. Having me watching marriage. Bucaneer was good. I love hip hop. It was good. Wasn't it? And watch your lab after lock because remember. After lack. Why are you caught up on that show, and then J gummy hooked on sixty days in think it's called? Lucca? I am if it's a out if you know the numbers upset six thin. Yeah. What you're on season two. Right. Our love after lack of. Yeah. Where they've okay. So your card. He's like, well, he just got out the black dude with the won't the baby, mama. And virgin also it's about two. It's about two. Hey, jim. We have a guest in the field. Broadway. Blackens the Bill y'all black excellent himself as walked in the room. But yes, they he love and I love after lockup this love after lockup is good. I'm sorry. Next week. Every tonight, we don't we don't talk on tonight. But speaking of Martin remember, I told. Ever mind you before you just reminded me about Tammy your because that's who it's about. So her on Walker flock walkout walk. I walk. I walk. They've been they've been married for five years now. Right. And she recently posted Instagram video so her new wedding ring that is so beautiful. And she was saying how she's going to f I they always say that five years, they would have a real wedding with I guess or whatever, and, you know, have a wholesaler money and the bride the bridal shower or that 'cause I guess she didn't Avenir that. And so she then said she said, so I'm proud to announce that on January nineteenth or whatever it was. We don't have a destination wedding on the beach where our moms by our side and wherever they going because I never forget when Martin cabinet going to beat. And that was my dream with on guy if it's. But you know, what after I stop laughing after stopped laughing. I was like, you know, what God it for the culture. I'm waiting like. That's what it's all about. Yes. And I'm not mad at you. So in the words of Vesta Williams, congratulations. Okay. I'm very happy for walk every wind. Are you gonna talk about marriage? Who can't yes, no? I'm not. I'm not talking about. What else so? Yeah. Romy and Pap don't even need to be on the show since Tanna is very immature her. She get on my nerves, and she would get on my nerves. She sees immature. Fuck. Yeah. Don't don't pay no home in. Why? Series. Just got we apart of the conversation. But yeah, don't marry no old Negga. You gotta slow it down when somebody owed if you don't you sacrifice that you don't pay on the front end that you're gonna pay on the back end. But she damage you're gonna pay. So if you marry a negative forty seven years old and making good decisions. Now, you know what I'm saying working and shit. That's his focus. How're you going to get mad because he work all the time hate that? What you want is that what you say you wanted. So, you know, that's that's just what I think he's very mature moving on shot to James. Love and hip, hop Miami. Bobby and Princess friendship. Bobby lights, China's first cousin. I. Between his cousin Bobby lights who is a wrapper on the show. He's gay he's openly gay and he's friends with this guy named prince who acts gay people accuse them of being gay. But he says he's not gay. And so he said he's been getting a lot of flack for online from people because he so him Bobby, however, our friends now, I have like tons of straight friends, very straight, France, first Perm straight friends. You know, what I'm saying straight friends? This is not weird to me. And I feel like they're playing it up for the show because it's not weird to them either. They wouldn't be friends, and you don't just start allowing the pressure to like affect to like, if you're the type of person who will be affected by people assuming you're gay 'cause you have a gay friend that happens like on the front end. I told you for any versus back in no point attending considering the subject, but but like that is I think they're kinda hamming it up for the cameras trick. Daddy is mean as hell. Turn and trainers music. All like they did a twentieth anniversary concert for take it to the house. She had it set list. He cut the mic off. Now. She thinks he going to do her own music our doing cut it off. That's what trick daddy said. He's very mean. He's jealous of Trina success, and she custom out, and it was great to see because train is a person that only Rupp's like that. When she moved to Shane really with the drama for the show cet. So I was glad we got some. I just hated that. You know, real. It was real hail. Yes. She was the way she was yelling and screaming trick daddy and expressing her frustration over him being so passive and not taking action on this project. They're supposed to do a collaborative album, and she kept sending them beats and sending them, you know, suggestions for different things for to get the music going. Start acting actually building the body of work. He won't answer the phone. He won't shift any studio sessions nothing. And when they ask him why on the show he says that because Trine is on her diva thing. And now she on we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it on my time. He has literally no reason. So there's obviously some intimidation there for some reason. But we sick of it. Jesse was on the show. You guys are familiar with JC will vary. Pretty yes. She also thinks she can sing our. Let so cute in his low romper. She had I was like. Yeah. You saying you're put it right back on. But anyway, the damn search. Gene asked mama. Her mama and daddy. So old and mean just mean, oh, I'll be using fizz ball. Meanwhile, fucking space and toes badeah sleep. Anyway, a Marlin negative momma grabbed a candle and set it off. So like see they next thing. You know, he's seen a seen her. It looked like she had boxing. You know, how boxers tape the hands up? That's what it looked like she had restrict. I can't always on fire a candle was on five lit, and she recent there to get it or something, and they say, you know, it looked like she had on a oven. Mitt you see. I thought she was taping up. Got the passive income. Now, I thought they whatever. But anyway, again that happened, okay? Do you like Jesse? I so far I was really liking. What was happening? She got into an argument with Joe who Joe had quote on this episode. Yes, she did. She was like who say how she gave in Dayton pleasure. Pre from PD pleasure p from pretty Ricky who is now ugly, Richard. Have you seen what pretty Ricky is ugly? Richard now them fuckers all. Spectacular. Because isn't he likes Ogden a bunch of ventures? He's excellent. Really well. Yeah. Him and pleasure p is actually successful too slick is but has PM baby blue baby blue making. Baby, blue, willow. Well, yeah, they they both. They both look like they can like grill. Like, they mean on the grill. That's what they look like. Truck. I would definitely eat truck. Yes. That was good. Okay. Married to medicine. So the union came on. I just few things really quick to wrap up member. One contessa. I'm so proud of you because you handle business on this reunion. Toyo was trying everything she had to unnecessarily keep this fake con for the going with her and Contessa was hidden there every hitter with our best side every single time. She never raised voice. She was unmoved like she just literally set there like a pro now her just ugly shore. Like it was napping. Sure. And I don't mean napping up. I mean taking the rest, but you know, what I'm saying the homegirl hinder business example, toy is calling her all kind of bitches and saying they're not friends are this stuff. Contest plays it. Cool. They get around her and say Contessa, how do you feel about toy an Eugene building their dream forever home contests response to Andy by saying, I think it's wonderful. They've been such a beautiful home, especially you know, they've been living like refugees for the past four. Gate. God damn, man. They weren't. I'm like see this. If you are a person who is a smart and be you're in control of your facilities enough to be able to remain calm during a confrontation that combination is lethal in that setting. And it was it is what the dreams are made of on reality. Contested came to play. I was so impressed Goldstar to you. Okay. Quiet. Here's my problem with quack has. No, I love quiet. I'm on her side in everything she's in on this show. Right. I'm completely on her side and all of the conflict, she's in but quired, you're gonna have to start a speaking, clearly, okay. And be addressing the issues that need to be addressed choir will allow these women on his show to disrespect her on levels at are so wild, and then defend them or or bounceback to a revert to, you know, well, we're friends at the end of the day, and we love each other instead of instead of telling them, here's an example, toy assis- to her. We don't think you should go anymore. The vacation with us since you're getting divorced margin. This has been a group of friends for the last six years, they all have personal relationships. It wasn't just like Mary couples that are income rotary with each other. But operating a group of Mary couples these group of friends that happen to be married. How that would be like me we are married. And then you get divorced. Fran. I'm. To come because I don't want you talking to my build. You know? I'm Sal, you're need to be friends. Do that's what toy is telling quiet now me personally, I would have dug into his ass outta started talking about her gum teeth. Right. So I really started going in. You know, what I'm saying that finger waves in the front everything. She had I would've went there. Too quiet says that just because I was just married I'm the same person. And this that doesn't mean I can't learn from y'all if we hang out around each other all the fucking talking about learning from each other and his business cut through out on national television yet her, but then you have all these vigor and Vam when it's time to say something somebody like contests who's been on your side, the whole season between her she was wrong for saying that toyah bumped her chess contest just had surgery on her chest, and toy accidents bumped her when they were on vacation. And what how Contessa was like I did that on purpose. Everybody thought that was so wrong, Contessa, whatever. But like quiet actually did say on their Yun. Nyan? I don't think he did that on purpose. But if you look at the history of their relationship, I can see why she arrived at that conclusion. And I'm so glad she did. Because for once finally see you standing in the gap in saying, we needed to be said, I love you, quiet. They are jealous of you. Because you do have it going on fires y'all concern? And so I get it. And I'm on her side heavenly again, knocked it out the part super loyal has been a true friend to quiet and also shots having these after shows the recaps, she does on you too. 'cause they offer like twenty minutes worth of context on the episode, and it just nothing, but in me to her even more she's been fiercely loyal to quiet. I you know, what kind of person I am. I appreciate that kinda shit Jackie's female friends. To think about it. But that was funny. Who's on the side of Simone is crazy. I don't I think Simone is going through the change because her her emotions they just saw up and down her emotions like forest Whitaker's is so they just up and down and Simone is getting on my nerves yelling and screaming Cussing contests out. Some all what was funny to me was heavily said something about her dress being ugly. Someone was like I don't think that even though you guys have something to say about the stuff I wear, and it was funny because some all crazy on his dressed like a lunch bag. Remember, the Brown paper lunch bag address like that? I'm gonna send you a video clip. I can't believe. It was horrible. Okay. So scientists Mon but not I she makes me sick. Mariah is literally assess pool planners ward of a woman, and I am I I want her to write. She's the worst liar on the face of the earth. Her husband is as well, spitting like rabid dogs, screaming and hollering. Family like just yelling shit. My they never had quote unquote, receipts also shuttled to receipts receipts came from Whitney Houston came from Kelly price. These are facts, this is where they started at everything else came from black gay man so shout out to them. But what else who else was on couch? Toya would she don't matter so toy Mariah. Let's married to medicine. I'm over Dr g pulled up in his mini Cooper and him and quiet had sit down where they let through their dirty laundry on the floor of. So that was interesting enough. You know, nothing we really didn't know whose husband. He was her was been like Trina Braxton she used to Siri like, oh, my God recipes gave so lazy Trina. Braxton's husband ex husband passed away. Yeah. Okay. Passed away who else yon the real quick? I know we're gonna wrap it up because this episode is like six hours. Everybody's been waiting rise. Jawa fix my life. Yana premier had three women from reality TV who wanted to separate themselves from their old image. What was on television? Because it wasn't an accurate depiction of who they were the three women were some lady from bridezillas name in yon like the fillet then who has is on the edges duchess Ashi lip ass from black ink crew. And then out the from love and hip hop who they said was a reality star out. The remember she was on the show like. She girl on the southern literally it out of Jackson Xs over she likes to make it about her. You know, what I'm saying any on the clock that shit at the door. Literally went out the came in and said hi in yonder was like, no, no, no e- yon yon. She called her Dion. She's three different ways. She was like she's like say with me e e Yang. Yeah. La it not now. And like I was like now girl what and about fifteen minutes later. She looked like jazzy Jeff on the first print thrown out thrown out there front door Yang through harass about the house because they busted her on Instagram. Like showing the cameras. I post whatever I want because I'm growing I post whatever the Alison, no, you can't you are instructed not to posting. They will no one ever semi that yelling shit Mogi probably wouldn't Mukhi, but beyond so that it could have been mochi. Yes. Do at the at the post. None. Yes. I did. The yon- looked at her ass or whatever she was going after that God she goes into. Whatever they want with this. And then the girl John that was on bridezillas. She got into a fistfight wear sister on Verizon. But she was saying how that's not who she was whatever. But yes, it was because guess what else she did checked out the and as I'm watching this. Pete there at the was being completely resistant to like the process or whatever. And so at one point. Yana was going back and forth without the an out of nowhere. I mean, the cameras had to turn because they weren't anticipating speaking so one for me, I says, but you got to really take in which he saying to you. She said I sit out the out the kind of look and the Beckett Yala and everything kept going but in my head. I'm like what the fuck you expect bitch fodder sister TV Changle fuck about checking, you know, what I'm saying. That's what happened. So I thought that was fine. Let's see. What else? Okay. This is the real housewives of Atlanta. So we can close love after up basically shimmery and Eva have ruined this season say what you want. They have completely ruined season fake drama fake scenes fake friendships. No, money, raggedy everything. Marlow whole Shomari. Because there's nothing else to do. But even that she's getting a thrill out of people responding to the things that out of people telling her you got a good one. That's how you get her. Surmise excited by that when she was making the insults on the breakfast club. She was saying, and then look at Ronnie and start laughing, and he would affirm her so all of it is a mess, and that's why I see flame. That's why push a flame eyebrows on you. Need to be concerned has been eyebrows. His face as what else needs have been doing anything on the camera. They had the episode where they was in destined at the house doing the talent showing her imports, we're competing as the host any was literally making faces and sounds and shit. To the doing all this shit. Yeah. Exactly what you just saw needs been doing. Yeah. Doing all that kinda shit. Just these antics today, we're going to have a really good. You talking about. Cardi B. But like, but Meany doing it. Now, imagine how why how big means mouth is imagine all of that. I'm tired. I'm tired of the antics all of that is getting on my nerves. I hate Samari Marlowe voices scenarios hilarious Marlow enrolling somebody. Like Dyson say was at the table and Samaria was like new money in Merlo Toda. I've been that girl back when I was in the so what you wanna do bitch. That's how Marlo beginning. I love it. What else Cynthia got a man candy tells the truth about everything and everything they can't be said about Porsche running down in that girl Porsche actually told on ourselves. Those of you that know this show, you know, what I'm talking about wrestling because I have to but Porsche told on herself when she say, can you it it did the same thing if somebody says something to tide after she saying, she wasn't the aggressor? So she basically told her suffer story has sweet so many times. And let's not forget Porsche is a liar. She's literally been busted lying on his show multiple times. Just keisha. Knee receipts are to win the Houston. The last one was on the bus. Thus when portions said we've been in strict committed relationship for the last six months and can't he was like, but uses Samir's party two months ago with another do kissing and hugging feeling on your. But so and push. It was like, well, I mean, we've been we we made it we've been officially Fisher last two months. Okay. That's two totally different things. You're a liar, and you catered stories to your advantage when you have to retail them, which is why I don't believe anything. She said about when she got thrown out of ties birthday party, so push. It'd be lying. What else? That's it love after lockup. Okay. Who's your favorite couple? I mean, if I. Favorite? I mean. But like. The threesome I do. Well, you know, he's from my hometown. Is he needs from Flemish? You know, what I do know? Because when they said it I was like, let's call dust. Keeping it player. Boy, I don't understand he had that woman checking in at the kiosk at the airport and thank called her and said, I don't want you become 'cause I got somebody playing her brother Cleveland Brown. Just let her do. Just if Dan letter do the matter to me. You wouldn't do this? You brought her to the airport. Like, why did you do? One of them wanna stop you from your happiness all of that. What else who else for that? All of that is funny though, I hear him kicking his wife. I'll and then Sunday see leave me call my girl, his mom knowing the mom playing out. No, that's my wounds from when I was little and crystal was like under your triggered friend. No. The white trash marine dude because we were talking about MARCY yellow. Yes. The one that I got. I've Joe I know that you're but moving on. That's why she wants prison on the air where tip them insecure. She needs the love and only a man can provide what nigga says some shit. Plate y'all. When he had are sticking middle finger up at the jail. I'm IB catches sit up front. I told you front end back in catching it up front when they left jail when he picked her up, and he was like come on like stick your finger. Remember, he made it. I that's when I was like this fuck is crazy. Ain't even in the move for this like acting like fuck jail like that she left behind you know, what I'm saying seems like she had two separate from that and him just make our encourage her to do all that. I feel like he's Chris mad flag from me with them was when she asked him if she have a little bit of time to his self when they win the desert and she likes sat down and literally he gave her two minutes. And then brought his ass. I'm like, she just gotta jail. This woman has not been by herself and years, she asked you communicated, it, and he still stood there and was hovering over her not giving her space that kind of was the first red flag, and it just even his whole like persona like the home arena thing. He did our friend that came to dinner those running late. Yeah. She held her she handled herself. Well in that conversation. I thought. Yeah. We were cracking up when he walked away from the table when she turned. She was like he's in. Who else favorite Lizzy Lizzy? That's my favorite and Scott. I like eight loves I love her because you know, what? I'm jay. She's amazing for being scammer her dog. In that case, I get it to ninety thousand dollars, and the fact that he's still doing this shit like he spends all this money. Even after he she said that she almost died, and he's still feels like he's entitled to her from some sorta way I'm like you almost killed her like by Ebeling her. Yeah. Yeah. Are you deserve to be with her? When the daughter saying, yo ask needs to go like her actual blood daughter that needs her mom, then is crazy. She crazy too. Yeah. Silence. She had me dead when she was like I women of God. House you need to get actual. Locked up. Newhouse with an extra sleep in Baio dams, and I didn't like when she jumped on him and the tooth. No, hugging her daughter. Yeah. She had to secure the bag. Actually, I explain it to you later. IT later girl. Let it say. What made me laugh was. She was like, basically like I can't fuck with you too. We clean all this shit. He right. And like, she literally die cut that hair. Do you think he looked better? No. Absolutely. The same just with a hair creepy just we haven't a debate eckerson sows. I thought he looked better. Well, yeah, he any. Anything would have been better. Right. He literally had not done nothing to himself. Right. He was in jail to parents. They both was locked up. From the clippers. Apparently, also the other couple with the man that was living at home as mom or went to pick up the girl and got her hair dyed and all that. Oh my God. Let me let me speak on Clinton. Let me speak on Clinton, Tracy and him having to ask the time. X is XY was like, but what I wanna know he's serious. He was like the ex wife give him time off from. Okay. She was like, I'm sorry. What she was taking back. My thing is I feel sorry for Clint on GP like soon as I saw him. I was I oh feel sorry for him. Something feels off about him. Yeah. Him. So. Yeah. And but I felt sorry for him. Like people have made fun of him. Just couldn't allow myself. I don't know who voted for. And I'm fortunate. I he the sign can't ignore the signs. And I'm like, I don't know what we are before. I feel start feeling sorry for you. I don't know who you voted for. So you get the human side. But that lady that he married from jail. He put her that awful dress. They wasted all that money at the hair salon for that. Then use no toner. It was him. Thin. She stood him up at the wedding. I think they think she like runs leaves? I think I think she goes through with the wedding. But I think she leaves like an Email the night or something I just know next week's episode gonna be amazing. I can't wait. And I know it sucks to say that. But when the virgin when they showed us that. I'm no woman now, whatever she said I was day out. You really did that shit. I was like I can't believe on whether we about is. He was saying she's Queen. Yeah. That's not my Queen. Somebody's. My. Mclean. I love it. It's amazing Levin. Lockups? Great tv. It's good. It's hell, and I never thought Lizzy was gonna last from last season. I never thought. And you know, what I thought I was going to miss Scott's friend more that was going to enjoy Lizzy getting out, but I really enjoy Lizzy being now, please that watching sixty days with me too many. Oh, say I ninety days. No, have you are the premise of the show is people who are volunteering to go to jail to be imprisoned for the experience. And yes, they are. No action, the correctional officers CEO's don't know that this is an experiment. So that they're getting like real treatment. The only person that knows that they're in it for the experience is the warden. That's the point. We were literally watching it in this beat up yet. It's I'm only on the first season. But Jade is already like on the third. No shanks. I nobody get cutlass whipping. No it is. And it's like little meek girl, and they were like why would you put yourself in this position? And she was like, I just wanna know. It's like people's fucking problem. I may see deserve whatever. She gets anybody other. Do like prison is not. There's no way prison is the scariest people make it out to be. He was like they get food. They're playing games. They get you know, put prop their feet up and watch movies. He was like I'm going there to like basically prove that yellow making a big deal out of this. So does he still have his team? Bass started watching a Yata watching with me. Okay. Watch killing even though I love it is amazing. Sandra does amazing Kinley was goodness. It can we move. Sorry. I gotta you had a date with the bathroom. Boy has been hydrating. Okay. Drinking oughta water drinking on the teas is that isn't. Something else. Right. Black business or the week. Oh, yes. I thought you meant was aided for the TV segment. That if we dust arise TV segment, so. I decided that we were coming back at the top of the year. This is a brand new episode new things new beginnings decided that I was going to start a new segment on the show called. This is a story. And it's very self explanatory. This is the story to be transparent. It's an old to a segment that they used to have on the Tom Joyner morning show. It's your world. It was a radio soap they came on every Friday morning where it was it ended with a cliffhanger. It was something really dope to look forward to through the week. And when I would begin dropped off his school back in the day. My parents listened to the time joining morning showing. So I remember the issue world radio, soap, it was a throwback to the radio soaps from back in the fifties. Where people would gather around the radio, and that was the entertainment. So we're gonna tell the story on the show. You know, the story was written by me is going to continue as you can see. And I think this is something that we really gonna have some fun with. So let's get started with episode. One of this is a story. And go a little like the, okay? Shit. He exclaimed through clint's t he just put his blazer on slate. His right arm through his backpack strap when his phone vibrated on the shelf of his locker in Email alert from his boss's boss, Katie. He hated her just like everybody else did. But he was better than everybody else at hiding it. So the bitch actually thought they were cool which meant she always communicated directly to him, and she did not care about emailing him at seven thirty six PM about carrot cake for her sister's baby shower, he didn't care about her her sister or that baby taking the shower. So he ignored the message for the time and continued slip in his backpack on and making his way to the elevator. After small talk with the front desk attendant about the other front desk, attendance breath, he was out of the door and headed to the parking garage. His favorite part of the day was leaving. No matter what was on the agenda for the evening work was over. And thus his suffrage was too. He popped the trunk on his car and in shut it because he did not like what he saw. He hopped in his car tossed his backpack behind the seat. Buckle the seat belt put the strap behind his back instead of on his chest and took off out the garage as he drove away from work. He felt so good that he decided to make a quick stop at the gas station for fill up his tank was on a quarter full. And there was no anhil you stop in anywhere in the morning. So he put into the I guess station. He saw with prices that didn't make him feel like he was buying jewelry. He absent mindedly parks next to a pump on the wrong side of his car. I mean, he got out and walked around the car and everything when he realized that one he was on the wrong side of the car and. To looking stupid while doing so he also realized by the sound of judgmental cackle that someone else saw him to he looked up and standing next to her white convertible sports car was Katie looks like you're so distracted by finding their cake. I asked you for that, you're gonna pump your gas. What in the window another chuckle follow? But this time with a different tone as he started to switch back into the workplace version of himself and offering explanation of why he hadn't responded to her Email, Katie raise our hand stop him from talking before he even got started. I'm kidding. She said she smiled and looked him dead in the eye. They can wait until tomorrow. Relax. He should probably switch pumps now. You'd think as she began to top her tank off he lowered his head and said, you're absolutely right. It's been a really long day. Katie he walked around his car hopped inside to move to a different pump. And after he did so Katie put her car. Right around to the driver's side of his his windows were down. So he looked to his left and said, I promise you'll have cake info tomorrow, Katie, you didn't have to literally pull up on me with the laugh and smile, Katie says, well who else was going to stop you from gas in the backseat. Thank you for that. He says my passengers would have been on fire. They laugh in awkward chuckle. No in all seriousness. She says I've decided to leave our form and today is officially my last day, she paused that's why I had to know about that cake at seven thirty in the evening what he says. Well, congratulations, Katie. I had no idea. Nobody said anything first of all they hate me. She said and to be honest. I hate everyone. We work with two a mutual discussed shared and understood. So I didn't tell them damn thing. They'll get an Email to my all yada, yada, yada. Just especially when it think you though, you've always treated me like a person, not a boss, and I've always respected your your work ethic. Thank you for making things a little less suffer from me. You really have no idea. How much of a light? You are doing my time here while he said blown away. Thank you so much Katy. I'm not even sure what to say to that. Well, technically, you can say whatever you feel I left my title at the office, and I don't exactly plan on going back to get it. She said with a smile, he smiled back this time. She continued in the southern Tori spirit of newfound transparency, I have to admit that you've made me kinda curious he maintained stare, so they Katie Katie was a tall. Beautiful woman. Always impeccably dressed with midnight colored skin and short meticulously trimmed haircut that complimented. Her undeniably. Striking. Facial features. Katie was fine. Katie also wasn't his boss anymore. He bit his lip look down and look back in the katie's is she immediately began to speak to him. And this time the words landed just a little bit differently. I think you should know that I've decided that I wanna know more about you much more being touchstone. He simply nodded a slow which was essentially I had time to do. Because just as quickly as he began to night Katie pulled off in white convertible luxury with that he never had noticed was so sexy what the hell does happen. And I still gotta pump the damn gas. He thought the entire way home his thoughts on Katie, Katie. He couldn't believe what had just taken place, and he didn't quite understand it. But he was so intrigued Katie he put into his neighborhood approach this house and hit the garage opener. He turned his car away from the house and bagged it into the garage. He was still happy to be away from work. But now, mentally he was right back in office as his mind now race with new thoughts ones that he wasn't sure. Even how to have as he turned the key and entered his home. He. Was quickly bar back to reality. When he heard the unmistakable joy in the voice of sweet three year old child say daddy's home. And we'll see you guys episode to it'll be interesting to find. This is the story always gonna have some fun with this. It's going to stay tuned. So yes, hold on. Yes. We're destined roster. Screenwriter? Good. We're gonna have some fun with this. You also. Yeah. So we'll see have fun with that talk about it. Let's figure out any questions. You have asked him get the conversation started and just have a good time with this. So. Soon. Comet. Out with the black business that you said you had breast right? Do it is can actually hijacked your black businesses. Yes. Just really really quickly only because it's a very special occasion. I wanna shout out to the homie pinky down in Atlanta killing it with sledding. Food truck, and she just opened a restaurant. The lines have been out the door. Who see the design? Yes. The restaurant. Let's bomb. How about study vegan? But I didn't know that that was pinky spot. This is blowing up. Yeah. Killing the celebrities are talking about it like the line all down the street sought out to her name. Yon Lee the damn burger was her eating a sled vegan buyer. I was so pissed when I seen that. I remember Boola with pinky and the damn Jamaican spot. Okay. So it was her website because this could be the black business. We absolutely what's our website. Slutty vegan AT dot com. Spouse straight through like that slutty vegan AT L dot com sat out pink. So please go check her out. If you're near Atlanta area, you have to look up on Instagram or Twitter to find the truck every week every day rather. But the restaurant opened up please go check it out some love tell the friend zone since you and tell us she because the scientist says so don't say that the heard on disrespect Turner establishment. 'cause I will fight you myself. That's it. That's been church announcement. I love what you do that night year things. Bruins still wins case murky smirk. Well, I would be you guys. Remember when has was on here for the keep that same energy up? So we highlighting her school didn't arth mystery school. So I'll be teaching class on Sunday. I'll be teaching class on maintaining your home frequency, and what that means when you are a creative, and we're having to work with others. How do you maintain the integrity of how you feel when there are people telling they should feel differently? It's going to be level levels layers Yano how we get down. I'm very excited it's on Sunday, the twenty seventh. But of course, that's a couple of weeks. Our minds you guys closer to the date. But if you have not checked out her site and sign up to the school already you obviously will be able to purchase the class on its own, but I do strongly advise you guys to join her school because it is so good. 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Happy Mothers Day with Claire Holt

Directionally Challenged

1:17:10 hr | 2 years ago

Happy Mothers Day with Claire Holt

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You guys we have such a fantastic episode today because we have a fellow pregnant friend joining us Claire Holt who we know and love and what perfect timing to be doing this because mother's day is coming up, and we want to celebrate the new mamas Candice era, mama and all the mamas that are out there and all the mamas to come. I'm now six months along. And that's been a long time to not talk about it, especially because this podcast has been about being open and free and awesome. And obviously candice's known and Mel is known and like our friends of known. But to be able to finally discuss it with you guys means so much to me. It really dies. I'm so sick of acting like I'm not. Anymore? And I wanted to scream it from the rooftops. Let that bump out. Yes. And it is out today. So finally, I'm showing and so without further ado, let's just get into the interview with Claire because it's so awesome. So stay tuned. Here. We go. Hey, guys, we are back with this mama themed episode finally talking about kailua lls Perec. Free that I can actually talk about it now. And I don't want to talk about it with anyone else. But our guest today. Clear whole. You are you're when are you? Do you like any second now? Now, I'm sitting right across from me. So. Nightmare. Like, oh my gosh. One of my water breaks his count. No. I thought about that this morning, and Melissa our producer can deliver babies. So we are good. Yes. Yes. Yeah. She took first responder. We are good to go. All right. What am I gonna lavender missing? Yeah. Exactly. We'll just do the birthing live. I've got an emotional support. Support in who isn't love a live birth on a white couch. Joe would come home and we'd be like. I would love it. That's my dream. I was obsessed with pregnancy from a very young age. I was so happy. Well, I was a lot of emotions when Joe at night when I got pregnant, but you know, we like to say Joe and partners are obviously Larry Perry. But when did you find out that you're pregnant, so I had just been to China to shoot a film, and I was so exhausted. And like really stressed out the whole time, I was there. And so I hadn't had a period, and it'd been like, I guess maybe six weeks, and I was like I bet it's just my body whatever breath lighting, and then I went away on vacation. And we went to Europe. And I drank all the line and all the bread and the pasta and all of those delicious things and then over my buddy was like cool where ready now there's lots of calories, and you relaxed and you've slept. So I clearly related when I was on vacation. And then the very end of it. So the last week I started to get really really really tight, and I was like falling asleep everywhere, we'd come back to America. But we were in talk it actually with Andrew's family and Andrew was like, you don't really have a lot of energy. Do you think? Maybe take a pregnancy test. I was like, no, no does no way. Like my body's all over the place. No shot. And then the next day I fell asleep, again just sitting loud room. He's like go do it. So I did. And I I'm it's so funny. I don't know how you feel about this. But like when whenever I take tests, I'm always like really weird about it. And I hide it and I'd get in the shower, and I run away and do something. I don't want to look at it like diseased or something this thing. And so I thought I'd just like threw it down. And I jumped in the shower, and it got out of the shower, and it was clearly positive, and I just too so shocked, I don't know why. Because of course, like, of course, I could have been pregnant. But yeah. So it was the second loss day of advocation. I think and it was a really nice little way to wrap up the trip. Wow. We with his family and everyone clearly knew straightaway because I stopped drinking, and I'd been drinking this for the last month. So just don't let you did you tell them and. Yeah. And how did you tell him? Honestly, they just looked at me funny. When I said, my wine, and I was like. New. Well, I have a hard time keeping a secret from like family, and that sort of stuff so I had to totally keep a secret for. Doesn't sound that long one full night. But it felt like say long wait from Tanna. Yes. Because I was feeling same relieve really tired and little sick, but not necessarily. I just kind of knew my body was off. And he went to a Ronda Rousey fight with a bunch of leading. Out one night. And I thought oh, I'm just going to do. I'm probably not same thing. There's no way I am. But I'm just going to do it. Just in case did the took the test and then walked away and forgot I took the test and was cleaning the house and doing all these things and then came back and was like, oh, yeah. I took that test and I walked into the bathroom, and it was positive, and I didn't believe it. I there's no way. No. There's no way I'm going to do another one. There's no way. Right. But obviously when it says positive, you know, it's paws, right? And so that night. My sister was in town, and I was going to go stay with her and we were going to stay the night together. Because we don't see each other that often, and it was kind of a special night we had planned, and so the, and I I swore she was going to look at me. And no, and I kept thinking, okay. This is the biggest acting job of ever had to do in my entire life. She cannot nobles for my husband. Yes. You can't know before my husband. And so I just completely acted like I was fine. And my dad is the nicest most generous wine poorer. All night when I was at my parents house going to stay with my sister. He just kept pulling my wind, and I just kept quote, unquote, going to the bathroom and pouring the nice wind down the scene. No. But I didn't know what else to do because I couldn't they would know same. They would know if I wasn't drinking wine, and so that day long story short it was around thanksgiving. And so we always go by these Christmas ornaments every year. And so I decided to buy like a special ornament for Tanner, and I and hide it. And so I came home Tanner came home from the fight the next day. I came home from my sister. And I was like, hey, you wanna see the ornaments? I got and I'm sure inside he's rolling his eyes. Like, oh, yeah. Can't wait to see these and sat down and then the last one I was at closer is. And it was the test. And did not believe me. So it was really fun. And then Leonid up hosting thanksgiving and all my family and his family was there and then both families of religious. So we said a prayer before we ate and in the prayer Tanner was like, oh in bless. Our new addition to the and of course, at wondrously start screaming got up. So it was really fun. That's amazing. I love that. Now if you guys are comfortable with this. I I know that obviously we all like to think that we're all going like blinker is and be pregnant immediately. When we go to start having a baby, and we're we're women in our thirties. And we're all working woman women. So we've thought about it for a long time of trying to time it out, right? And I know you both had different experiences getting pregnant and clear your vocal about yours online. Is that something I'm comfortable with is that I think it's so important to talk about these things and to share that sort of stuff at least for me because it I I was under the impression that getting pregnant. Easy. And that things would just going to happen. The way that I had planned that I would never have to deal with any of the struggles that a lot of women face. And that just wasn't my story. So I have been pregnant once before this little guy, and I suffered a miscarriage almost twelve weeks pregnant, and it was the hottest thing I've ever dealt with in my whole life. I I was very fortunate that I got pregnant quickly the first time, I think we'd tried for two months, and it was the second cycle. And then. We went to the doctor at sort of six weeks early. I wasn't quite sure because my cycle's been regular but six weeks and got a heartbeat and everything great. And Musso so excited. So we told families really early, and we actually told a few friends too because I had no reason to believe that something bad would happen. And then we went back again, we actually so we went to a different doctor at around seven weeks because at eight weeks, I'm sorry eight weeks because my original gynecologist didn't deliver babies. So she did the first, and she told us that was a hobby was really beautiful moment, we filmed it instead it to our family, and then a weeks, I found this new doctor, and I remember walking into this office and felt a bit like a baby factory to me. That would so many women in there and all different stages of pregnancy. And you had to go into this tiny room and give a sample and stand on the scale, and I just felt really overwhelmed and. It was my first time with a male doctor, which I you know. You know, they are amazing for some people. But I was quite nervous about it. And we went into the room to have the ultrasound. And he came in and said babies kind of small could go either way don't put her on Facebook. And that's what he said. And that was how he told. Julia. And I don't think he, you know, in hindsight, I'm sure he's amazing doctor people love him. And but from what for me that just crushed me because I had no reason we had no reason to believe that anything was wrong that point he was measuring like a couple of days behind eight weeks or whatever. But you know, so many people have said to me all my baby measured a week behind or this is such a sliding scale because you never truly know sometimes what you can save. What day did implanted? So don't worry about it. Anyway, ended up going back to my original doctor, the gist, and she was like come in. We'll do another scan don't stress too much. This happens all the time. So we went back to her maybe five days later of the worst long weekend of my life and got another hobby again, and the baby looked okay, it was a couple of days behind, but nothing she was like don't stress out about this. I really think it's going to be okay. Just try your best to relax and come back in a few weeks, and we'll do the genetic testing. So this was about nine weeks at this point. And then it was about eleven and a half when we went back to genetic testing. And now looking back, I know it's not common to have an ultrasound at that test. You just they just draw the blood, and then you wait for the results, but she didn't know the ultrasound probably because we'd had that experience and straight away. There's no, Hoppy. And I could tell because you see the flickering when you go in, and that's what they tell you to look for. And it was my husband's birthday. Ovoid thought I was going to give him a really nice apprise. But they we're going to see the baby. And and it just was I felt sick. And I remember saying to her. Please, please. Can you turn the sound on? I just need to hear. And she was like this is really difficult for some people. Doesn't look like there's going to be a sound there. And I was I need to hear that for me. And so she turned us out. And obviously there was no like beating and so. It. I was just completely in shock and devastated, obviously. And thankfully, my beautiful husband was there. And I just bold my eyes out in the room for twenty minutes, and they drew my blood to take some tests and then. She asked me did I want to have a DNC or did I want to? Try and miscarrying actually because it was a miscarriage. So I had no signs of it. I didn't have any bleeding cramping. And for me personally. I felt like the DNC was the best option because I didn't think I'd be able to wait and just let nature take its course. And sometimes even if that happens. All of the tissue doesn't pass and you have to go in and have a DNC anyway. So in for our listeners, there are natural ways where you kind of take a pill or some forty allegation, and you you just wait it out. And you let the the fetus the tissue pass naturally. And the DNC is when you are put under for the most part a doctor goes into make sure that all of everything's removed. So that it to decrease the amount of time for infection to social and there are risks with both. But thankfully, I had a really positive experience if you can call it that with the DNC it was very smooth. I didn't have a lot of bleeding pain afterwards. And my body kind of regulated within five so weeks, which was quite quick. But it was that period. From when I had the DNC to win. I did get my period was the roughest five weeks in my whole life. And I think just had those such a severe woman drop, and I couldn't get out of bed. And I want to talk to anyone and all my family was in town for my sister. My sister had this her husband eloped and then had a wedding potty. So there will in town for the party. And I just couldn't even like open my bedroom door to talk to anyone and it started to sort of get a little easier maybe around three or four weeks off. And then when I did get my period again, it felt like this cloud had lifted. So I know that there was. A hormonal component, obviously. But it was still really tough. And it took me until I got pregnant again actually to really feel ready to be pregnant. I know some people feel better starting straightaway and trying to conceive straightaway. And I know that that was what my husband really wanted. But it's just what I couldn't do it. I wasn't ready. I needed to sort of get myself back a little bit. And detach from the idea of that baby in that pregnancy and be okay. To move forward with another one and the beautiful thing is five months later. I got pregnant with this little guy. And now he's coming any minute. So do you feel like at this point talking with other women, did you realize oh my gosh. This a lot of women have experienced miscarriage before and women. Just don't talk about it did that play into your choice of wanting to put it on Instagram. I'm assuming absolutely and it was because after it happened to me, I was desperate to to find someone who could tell me that what I was feeling was normal. And that I wasn't crazy. And even though I never met this little solo being whatever it was at that point. It could still be as painful as if I had known the baby and on this person, my whole life, and because I haven't experienced such deep pain that wasn't connected to a loss of someone very very close to me that I'd known for so many years. I kept saying to myself like why are you so sad? It was just twelve weeks. I couldn't understand it. And so going online and searching for people who will open about it. And and shed those feelings and said this is normal. This is how I felt I couldn't get out of bed either. But it it does lift, and it does poss, and that's not to trivialize what you've been through what you're feeling, but it does get easier. And so I'm so brillo you're like, no, he's like did you get to a point? Where like, oh, this was there was this had nothing to do with me. Yes. I feel like that's the hardest thing for women to understand when it comes to miscarriage is that the. The snub your fault biological elements in play there, and it's not it's not like, well if I would've walked down the stairs backwards instead of walked down the stairs forwards that engender go through so many of this. It was at the glass of wine that I had before I knew I was pregnant was it because I went for a run, and I got my heart rate up to high and it overheated the baby was because my body. Just can't do it. That was something that was really difficult for me. Like, maybe I'm not meant to do this. Maybe I'm broken, and I felt such guilt. And I my husband was so incredibly beautiful throughout the whole process. And I never would have survived it without him. I don't think, but I felt bad that I'd done this to him and I had taken away his baby. And that was just such an awful feeling that I didn't ever expect to feel and so going online and learning that was common and learning that this nothing that I did that caused our listeners in case there's someone that is really relating to this right now. What website are there specific place you sound? So it was a a blog post by Leandra Cohen her name from manner. Pella. Let me and we can include this because. Yes. Hang on. I'm going to tell you right now. So yeah. Yep. That's an Andrew Cohen may repel repel. Okay. And she is this amazing blogger and has great style website, and is really funny. And but I found a blog post of hose about a miscarriage. She she'd experience and his struggles with infidelity and a just struck every single chord with me and everything she said was like, oh my gosh. I feel that way too. And it really helped me to. Just understand what I was feeling and I felt this community around it because then when read all the comments and all of the comments were the same. I felt this way. This is what happened to me. I felt such kilt. I felt such shame. Thank you for sharing. And I realized if that reading that had met had such a profound effect on me I had to try and do the same for someone else because without that community and without that network, and without knowing that what I was feeling was normal. I don't know that I would have done well, coping I don't know that I think the process must have been might have been following a for me if I hadn't really done the deep dive on the internet. So I think in had that space that other women had created by coming full saying, hey, guys this happened. And this is what I'm feeling and this is all normal. And I think it's. It's difficult. You can read books on it. And you can talk to a doctor's. And but it is difficult to get advice from someone who hasn't been through it. Yeah. And I think that's like everything in women's issues. And especially in politics men, Ryan tell us what to do with that. What is when someone doesn't know what it feels like an hasn't been in it. It's it's just really hard to relate to them to feel like they can relate to you. And and so when there's a community around you that knows what it feels like and is vocal about it and open it makes the world of difference. I commend you so much for sharing your story because you have a huge following. And that is such a new the second one out there that like anything there's gonna be impact positive and negative and all that. So what did you find was there a huge community that back to you? And a lot of whole that did you it was unbelievable. It was maybe the one one of the most touching experiences of my whole life. Because I I remember posting it, and I was terrified to post it because I didn't know, and I posted it I remember Oscar Sunday because I was like, you know, what it's gonna get buried, and maybe some person we'll see that see it, and they need you put everyone else will be really concerned about the Oscars. So maybe it'll get lost in someone's time line. And I didn't and it I just got this overwhelming response from people sharing this story thanking me for sharing mine saying I feel the same way men reaching out and saying my wife experienced this. So my sister. Just so many people being so open about what they have been through two. And it created this sort of shed healing. I think and it was such a beautiful experience for me. And I think for others who who got to see that what they were going through was so normal, and it was okay to feel that way. And it's okay to talk about it to you don't have to be ashamed. You don't have to feel like it's your fault. You can move through it and acknowledge that it happened to you. And that's how you he'll think. Now here we are mama's on the couch who have been through a first trimester. Let's talk about these pregnancies. And and and the the first trimester Claire, you didn't know you were hanging out with me. And my first trimester. I. I was just not Astle sleeping in the corner. Being like Kim. Someone get me spaghetti the saltine story. My God, please. Remember this? Maybe you're on the other side which win. So basically, we did this Comecon in China was Claire Paul myself in a whole bunch of other actors, and and I was pregnant I was very sick. I was also very panicked because I was bleeding a lot. I had been in the emergency room and France, and then like had to go work in China and was like alone and being like, well, we'll see how this goes. I was just very on edge. And I couldn't keep anything like I wasn't throwing up, but I just didn't want to eat anything and China like Chinese food. Specifically is very like there's it's amazing. I was so excited to go there to eat everything like love trying new food could not stomach the smell of anything to oil as well of anything. And so my publicist was there, and I was just like, Sarah. K R there crackers all I need are just like saltines like plane like noodles or like with nothing on them or crackers. And so like an hour later, we're all doing these signings. And then she comes in. And she's like I found two packets of Saul teams. It was like oh my God. God bless you. So I turn around for like two seconds like sign a few things and like get a couple more photos to sign and I look back and Paul had been sitting next to me, Paul Wesley. He had eaten king Saul knowing. Yes. And he about about the story, by the way dared at him. I said why did you do weight older? Yes. And he was like, wow, it's hungry. And I was just like though, did you cry? I was like tears in my eyes. Those are my soul. And it was like God. What's your because he always tries to eat my food like I'm very weird about food already. So he was just like oh to go Candice is littered like could it like I was on the verge of tears like so upset. Well, he also had no idea idea. And so then by the time like I told everyone at family like I told him that story and like Phoebe was dying. I like, oh my God. I'm so sorry like and every time he tried to buy me saltines, apparently he'd just keep them at home and eat them. So I never got my song scenes. He tried to buy me. Sorry salting. People are going to send desalting. I still love. I'm so first trimester. Did you guys get sick? Did you guys like just breeze through it? Everyone has a different one. Nope. I did not brace through it. I thought I was going to brace through it. So I had about a week or two there at the beginning where I was like, this is great. I'm not sick. I'm going to be one of those women who just gets lucky. My mom never got morning sickness. I'm not gonna get it. Cut to like six weeks on the day. I woke up and like nausea vomiting, and I was getting married into weeks. I was like I don't know what I'm gonna do. Not only can I not drink at my wedding. I think I'm gonna puke the whole time. And so for the like the week and a half leading up to it. I was like this is terrible. I don't know what to do. I can't do any all of our families to coming in town. I can't do any of the activities and the dinners you get like an adrenaline rush on the day. And you manage new find it ended up being an awesome day. But I have a picture of my dad, and I on a party bus heading out the night before my dad's got a tequila, and I have a Sultan in my mouth things very depressed. But I was really steak, and then we went on our honeymoon. And it was towards the end of my first trimester. When a the pull months really raging, and I spent the whole time puking, I do I didn't go out into we were in Greece this beautiful like location, and we had two two stops in Greece. And my head was just in an toilet bowl the whole time. Oh my gosh. Yeah. It was not fun. That's how you. Someone really loves you though. That's really true. It was it was very brutal. And then sadly the day we arrived back in America. You were went away belt. Great Harley disappeared. Yeah. No morning sickness. I had a salad and I got on the elliptical Emma's like such NAS hall. Has this beautiful? I literally didn't get out of bed and now anyway, I was definitely sick. And I was we were coming to vote record this podcast or we're gonna come over and hang out, and I get in the car. No one knew that I was pregnant yet. And so I was still like I've got this. Do you not tell anyone until the very end until I think I told Kansas was one of the first people guest early by action did and I went over to our house, and I looked at her, and I was like you're being weird you're pregnant, and she was like, no, I'm not. And I was like, okay. I'm sorry. That now I feel like an asshole because it's like you guys have been trying hosting thanksgiving for the first time too. So I tried to Chuck it off as like, no. I'm just freaking out because I feel all the stress because both families are coming. And I want to do a good job. Meanwhile, I'm also on top of that newly pregnant and can't drink and she comes over. And it's like, what are you got? Let's and I'm like crap. So I'm trying to like make a fake cocktail. Full normal one drinker, but like it's just hard when it's someone that knows you so well to you. So she called me out. But then I didn't say anything because also I wasn't sure I'm like are we telling people really like my family didn't even know yet. No one knew. And so at this point this past thanksgiving, and I'm coming over, and we're going to plan some guests for the podcast and do all this stuff and get in my car, and I'm gonna drive up laurel canyon, which for those who don't live in LA. It's very wind E, and it's a long drive, and I pull over and I throw up, and I can't do I literally. So nauseous, I have to pull my car over on laurel canyon and throw about outside the car, and then I called her and was like I have to tell you I'm pregnant I can't come over. I can't even drive right now. And it was everything I can do to get back in the car race back home to just get on the couch and not leave the bathroom. And it was it was horrible. And at that point. I was like, okay. I'm legitimately have morning sickness. Now, I'm knocking I can't pull this off. I can't fight it. And I just need to tell my friends who are close to. Me. So I have support and stop acting like I can do this all on my own because I can't. And that seems to be a recurring theme that I'm learning and that we've all discussed is that you don't have control anymore because of your body, and you're so used to thinking you do have control. And I think that's a good lesson. You learn during pregnancy that then parlays into being a mom out. You just don't have control and you can try your best. But guess what? Sometimes they have other plans my favorite pregnancy. Meam is from that Tom Hanks movie where like the pirates like come in like take the boat. And there's that one guy that got the Oscar nomination was like, I'm not your. Now, I feel like that's pregnancy. It's like, yeah. This little like being inside you go on like like Arman church. No, totally. I definitely had a real moment to where I was in the kitchen Tanner in tears streaming down my face. And I'm like, I need your help. I don't know what's going on. Like, I I usually feel like I can trust my gut and myself, and I'm realizing how much I rely on that in my every day, and that is gone out the window during pregnancy. I don't know. Sometimes if my reaction is normal, or if my reaction is hormone infused. Are you just heard I cried when my husband told me at turned on the wrong lots which today's going do you think that was normal? No reaction. It's perfect example, what it literally like I was pressing this about here's a babe already turned it off and immediately who and I ran into the living room. I was like you take the dog for a walk like on the floor. My f- pods flew out under the couch. Crying trying to get my e. Earphone out for that. He's I let me lift the couch few. He's I'm sitting on the floor is rallying my back like bowling my eyes out over lot switch and that was what I was like, I've got no control zero. I don't know. What's going have you forgotten things? Or can't what can't is asked me in the beginning was what did you what are you going to put in the fridge? Something's going to go in the fridge at some point that doesn't belong in Shaw. I've I've done a million things like that. And in cupboards, I've left put milk in like stove draws everything. My brain doesn't work guess same. So I I could not find my keys legitimately. It was going to be so late. I looked everywhere everywhere and my keys were in the fridge in the refrigerator to me. And I just went I mean. Okay. All right at that point. You just gotta laugh about it because I was already. So I mean, it's just one of those life things, you brain doesn't work is that and the no go translate to push bottom. Never your brain never works out. Good for ya know. We talked a little bit about pregnancy on the show. And I was saying when I went back to work trying to memorize lines. There was an actor who was. Joined us for the last season. And they would if I messed up a line. They would say all my lines to me, or you're kidding me. Yes. And it was like you don't understand. I'm literally like here. Trying to like I keep my brain's not functioning. I was breastfeeding two hours ago. So Jess giveaway mum rage. I would've fill my age. No, I yeah. I got a law office. Is really weird too. Because I before I was pregnant I heard these stories all the time. And it's so easy to kind of really rise. And be like, oh, okay. Got it yet. But until you actually experience it and feel the the distinct change in your money. There's just nothing else. That can explain it. Well, that's what I was going to ask. Did you guys? Like kind of earlier is women that were like, I'm sick. I'm nauseous, I need ginger. Choose rely just didn't get it period. Crims like, yeah. And I've had I have so much respect for my mother. Now, it's so much more than I've loved her to death, really. But you know, she had four and five years, and I used to remember her saying, you know, it was really hard to have full kids in five years. My you will come on. It's all right. Had had some help. You had a great time. I say we were easy kids. Let's be honest. Oh my gosh. I have so much respect for cannot tell on a daily basis. I do not know how you had three toed. Liz and you walking around pregnant with youth it just mind blowing to me and all the women in the world. Now, I think is harassed. I cannot believe that women. Do this regulates really true? I wish for an hour or day men could like swap bodies. So they would know what it feels like because it is like you said, it's really hard to relate to something that you've just never experienced. Yeah. And it's not their fault. And be so supportive. If they can you think that got me was when my heavy had a cold of maybe four weeks. He was him. And they could get up and get his watered he's weady. And I just was so humid, my I'm so sorry for you. This looks terrible must be really struggle. And I had to try not to be such take. But I just was like come on, man. It's funny because Tanner the other day, my husband was like, oh, I just feel like not fit right now. Then I've been I haven't been making the gym a priority. And he and I looked at him. And I was like, really. Sorry, just he didn't realize totally what he was saying. And I'm like, I am like none of my pants fit new more and kind of thing speaking of pants, yes Kayla. Let's talk through your your first purchase of pregnancy. Pay. Oh my God. I'm obsessed with them. But I do have to say, I finally ordered more. But I was under the impression that like. Oh, I'll just buy one pair pregnancy pants, and I'll be fine and Candice and melt can be distant. I have worn the same pair of pregnancy. It's over and over and over starring pants is the I was like I need to I should probably by a few more pairs of these. So I'm not wearing the same pair. Over again. But they're incredible. They're J brand. And I'm upset because their normal genes, and they cut the pockets out and put stretch, and I I'm I'm such a big loss of the end on straight up leggings, which which I'm totally fine while Kayla was like like all close still fit like I feel like I can just kind of wear my clothes, and then eventually buy things, and I was like it's times a day when I woke up and legitimately. It was like oh now nothing fit. And that's the mistake. I made was thinking, oh, I'll be fine. And then eventually, I'll figure it out. And no there was a day where I needed clothing to wear and literally nothing in my closet fit anymore, and our friend. Amanda had the wherewithal over Christmas when she found out I was pregnant to give me a few dresses that were a few sizes bigger. And she was like one day, you'll need these and I called her that day and was like you're the best. I would have not had a close to where unless it was probably. Leggings? I'm at the point why don't even mind maternity clothes fit me. I'm just really. I had to buy new shoes. Because none of my shoes fit me, which is the whole thing. Well, well, well, you're in your third trimester. Right Asli and Kayla. You're your six months tomorrow, you're while Lenore. Wollen would just be. I don't know. Like, I can't figure it out jobs, get bigger, and then go back mine were okay. But it, but it's also you have to remember when you're pregnant you're going to be you end up carrying twice as much fluid as your body normally in that's blood, just let alone. So right now, you've double the amount of blood flowing in your system. Did you knew your heart grows toward by the end of your pregnancy? So it can work harder for your baby accents on isn't that beautiful? I know like our bodies are incredible. But it is crazy like Kayla. You're right now in your second trimester. 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And then you get to me, then you like give me all the drugs and this guy out because I can't take it any. But yeah, it's it's it's a lot to try. Also to plan for something like you said to plan for a booth that you want so a natural birth or some kind of home birth, even and then perhaps it doesn't work out that way, and you like, I did all the homework did all those classes, and do you have a craving? Are you like did you did you read bell peppers? So win fresh squeezed, orange juice. I think is going to be vitamin C. Right. And then just like cake and ice cream all of the sweet things just can't get enough of. I mean, I make sure that I don't have it on a daily basis because I already have an enormous kid. And I'm just like drowning him setting him up for a base it he later attempted to bake a red bell pepper cake. That's what I'm gonna do. Curious. All right. Roasted red bell work, scrambled eggs and still to this day nibbled eggs, which I have nothing nothing against scrambled eggs. I didn't eat them a ton in my life. I mean, I had them as a kid growing up and stuff. But I mean to the point where I will be in bed at twelve thirty and be like, I I need to get up and make some scrambled. That's amazing because there's choline in them. And that's so good for the brain good. Yeah. They tell you to eat as many eggs as you can't drink pregnancy that down I've got some mazing. But it's I think it's protein as well. But it's not meet that I'm craving it. Scrambled eggs. So. Yeah. Well, that's good. Hopefully, great craving. Do. You guys have any aversions like funny enough. I'm a meat eater. I love meat, and I couldn't look at a state. I remember being in Paris when we order, it was the beef cheeks, and it was the Asian beef cheeks dairy air, which I have since been back in eaten and love phenomenal till I couldn't it was also God yet. I mean, did you guys know she's pregnant pass yet? Well, she did how in Perez and she wasn't. Making wine the drinking. I know that's our giveaway. And then toothpastes, oh, my God brushing my teeth made me real nauseous, like the like sometimes if I brush my tongue like I'll have like a flashback to like brushing my teeth while I was pregnant who I can't do it. You just didn't do it for nine months. But it would just be like gagging. The whole man I have not got any any versions. Not not even with sent. Because I know a lot of pregnant women can't smell certain things. But I've been okay. So far. We'll see mine is is not like a common. Like, this one thing it, oh, just all put something in my mouth. And all of a sudden, I won't know that that that would be eggs, for example, like maybe a runny egg. Normally it does make me sick. But it just randomly that day. Like, they'll be things that I can't stomach and smells so that constant Mike, and you know, my dog sometimes. Andrews bid on poop jelly for nine months. Which is great. You are due tomorrow. I know that hill I'm getting induce Wednesday night. If he doesn't come before. So I was gonna tell you. There's this restaurant around the corner, it it sounds Luke light the salad. You got you and Andrew should go to this restaurant tonight. And because if you then go into labor, you get to write your name on the board, and we have to go into sign a model, we had a friend that it's the Castro oil so addressing with castor oil. There is a restaurant that has a chicken salad is it salad China, and I don't think so it's just a salad and it's the dressing. It's the momma just and because of the Castro oil. And so you go there to this restaurant. It's to Luca lake and it's infamous for it. And when we were there with a friend of ours Cami who was pastor Judeh. She there were like five pregnant women. Their Joe's running joke was he went to go to the bathroom. But every time a new pregnant woman would show up said he'd like let the pregnant woman always back here for like half an hour. Maybe like. And there's all these like sweet journals that moms right like moms to be right like little messages to their baby. And if you go into labor, you get your name on the wall, do all the other things. So I might as well try that. I'm done acupuncture. I've done a walk every day some days, I'm like six miles in hobbling like. Wow. Trying to get him to draw. What else if I've done today? Did you do at one time? It was it was it was like, a cockroach HARA fell. Hara fell or something it just. I've never heard someone refer to set a car. Only if you buy full, husbands, you call him the Cochran problem, you know, because okay, you can't kiss. So it it because the balance, and yeah, I like that connection and whatever. And obviously this is like National Geographic right now. What's going on with the boobs and the thing? So I just was like, okay. Don't look skins new different colors. I just remember looking at my nipples being like, wow, I do not recognize your at all. I it's literally like National Geographic my buddy in the in the mirror. And so I was like, you know, what this is not like, I'm not really feeling myself right now. So I don't think this is going to be one of those moments where I'm like, I got it. I'm hot so. Yeah. It didn't baby come out. So I was like, well, let's just wait till optimum when I'm back to my full myself. Yeah. I was like Joe there's one other option, and he was like, I love you. You're beautiful. I don't I just I don't feel comfortable. And I was like, you know, what we've been on date nights for Indian food and still made it happen. Like you. And it's going to be fine. Don't look at me. Look at me. Look at nighttime, which is usually when that sort of thing happens. I'm all so full the point where my belly feels like it's going to explode. Yeah. Just like nothing else can fit in their catch me. Like, no. Yeah. Nothing. Can't nothing can fit in there already. It's definitely like an induction method. It's pleasurable. So a doing this. I'm gonna trying and when it didn't work. I was like well going to give out the play if you need to like get that. Yeah. Nipple play. Oh, I know. I I become a says with these because they're so sensitive. I became obsessed with all these natural birthing books, and I've tried to push them on Kaelin. She's like you guys. China may was like instill is like my did you read they read it. I love it and like the mood and like the orgasmic birth. I was like I'm won't have any of these. But like I love. And I was like come on me a real it's to hippy dippy for me. And it's not even that. It'd be dippy. I don't know. I don't know. But that was one of the things that there was like a whole chapter on nipple play. So you can just be in the office just like to do. Sitting on the couch tonight. Yeah. Just injured comes home, you just rubbing your nipples. I'm gonna make anything would surprise him. Go eat that talent. Will you? Let us know. Yes. You really like I've tried the pineapple the dates the evening primrose, everything that anyone could possibly suggest to go into labor. I've done and every time I'm like, this is going to be like or feel the cramps or my stomach will start getting tight. My back was hurting. I'm like I've done it. I'm they're ready to go and then stops young and kinda quit now. Okay. We'll before because I do want to talk to you guys about the fourth trimester. Which a lot of people don't always talk about. But it's like the six weeks after you give birth. But before we do that. I have some rapid fire questions. Right. Okay. Okay. Are you ready? Yes. Yes. Alright. Rapid fire pregnancy questions to tune. What do you miss the most on the no food? No, drink lists one. Sushi. I've had that had one actually. People are going to judge him, whatever. And I made the choices right for me. But not a lot of you know, line. I just realize how often I ate sushi and felt like such a healthy choice. And so I've had a little bit of it. But I just really missed it as a book that I really loved cold expecting better. That was written by a believe in communist took all the studies on everything basically just compatible the information, so I'm not a doctor, but my job is to to look at numbers and statistics here here all the studies that have ever been Donald randomized trials or the ones that aunt and hear the results, and I felt a lot better about eating sushi whenever that because it basically talked about if you're getting it from a repeatable place and a high quality fish, and the the risk is parasites, obviously. And but it's the same rescue experience not being pregnant, right? And from what I gather, it's not necessarily harmful to the baby. It's just you get you could potentially get sick. But the DHA levels in fish like what's great a really beneficial for their brain. So I I'm not a doctor everyone display. I'm not telling you ate sushi. Please don't tweet me. And tell me that I'm giving horrible advice. I'm just saying I read this book, and it made me feel really bad. If it's real. This is a home. This is a very significant learning part of being a new mom because anything you say or do people will have an opinion about one hundred percents. So get ready for that. Right. Well, here's shopping. It's a grocery store, and someone's like, did you know that your baby's touching the handlebar, and it's probably dirty and you're like, yeah. Guess what they were looking at two seconds. But it's quiet. So just deal with it. Let me get my let me get my food. Okay. Margaritas. Yep. Margaritas. Yeah. Oh, definitely like hard alcohol. Yup. Okay. True or false. I'm way more horny when I'm pregnant foles really I had a moment in the middle. There the middle that got was the point where it was like bought my child's kicking me. And that's not cool. So we it's been a Miami. I've definitely continued. But I haven't felt any more horny. Gotcha. But it hasn't stuff hormone seven. Not yet. I feel like the spot where it kicks up on. Yeah. I'll keep you. That's the thing. It's the men go like, I don't know where to put my hands like do it. We're doing up in the air bartenders had no problem with that. But I'll keep you both jelly. Like season me come out. And then he's I. Okay. Do you want to know if you poop on the table? Oh, I've been really going back and forth. Probably I would want to know I want to know for my story. But I told me after I. No, no, no. I'm terrified of this. I know I know it's going to happen to I know it is the ball. It's inevitable. It's something you already know the answer. Well, not everybody. Really? But. Descend to Jews. I feel like it's like eighty or ninety. I just went out number. Where's the funniest place? Your pregnancy hormones has made you cry or yell at someone switch. Nineteen. Yeah. For the most part every hormonal like kind of outburst has been at home. But that's not to say, they're not crazy outbursts. But it hasn't been in public yet or anything like that. I think I was crying in my car. But I I so far been able to keep it kind of including your car close in my car and close to my house. But that's it. I don't have any crazy with. Oh, my God, I yelled at so many people at the airport the airport would get me. 'cause I traveled I was playing every two weeks of my pregnancy. Which was crazy. We do not recommend it. But yeah, I would is like anything interrupted or if like the seat I wanted to change my seat and just the dumbest things I old. It's so many airline people. And I never do that. I'm kind of the one thing. Like, you know, what you're the one stressed out? Today, you Brenda like, you're doing great. And then instead I was just like Brenda off. I want an aisle seat and I've wanted. No like, yeah. You get the all say, no. I mean. Yeah. People were also once I was showing people were nicer to me on a plane. But then once you have the baby people are assholes, if you're traveling by yourself, always remember you saying that people love a pregnant woman, but they don't love a woman with a brand new baby. And I've would just hot. Of course, the only people that would stop and help me were other women with kids because they knew because they got it becomes like a like a. Yeah. Try try the makes me feel sad that I know like not nice to I think it's honestly though, it's been shifting when I'm traveling alone with Florence. There's been a lot more people men, especially helping with like bag. Eggs and stuff like that. Yeah. So I don't know if it's like the intimidation of like, oh, she's fumbling with her stroller. I don't know how to stroller works. But like now that there's not as many things, I don't know. But now that I've talked about it more. I feel like there's been like a shift. And and I wonder if it's if it's an age thing to with your like Florence. Yeah. Capable. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. How many baby names if you've been through? Well, I thought I was having a go at first I was certain, and I was having go actually so we had one picked out that was definitely the goal name. And then when we found out we were having a boy that was it was hard. It was hard to find a boy name we kind of settled on one around the middle, and they still but go to wait to meet him. I think but it's been tough. Yeah. We have one that we love. But but I feel like we've liked it from the beginning. And I keep waiting to have other options that no other options are coming yet. So this might be the name, but I also don't want to share it. Because so many people have opinions about name, and I almost was hesitant when Claire got here. I asked her the name question. But I knew what I was asking. Because everyone for some reason feels entitled to know your baby's name, even though you're not sure yet. And it's really an interesting concept because a lot of people ask. But then I also don't I'm scared to tell because they don't want their opinion because people have extreme opinion, and you can tell even when they try not to have an opinion. But. Hate at night. Oh, yes, different. And it always comes down to that asshole in highschool like someone's like, oh, you know, I'm going to name my baby sunshine, and they're like, oh, I knew a sunshine right back in my high school was shooting bitch late the name to anyone you know, that it had that name and everyone has different experiences. So okay belly buddy celebrity that you admire because did you guys be have you guys been obsessed with other celebrities that are I'm just so Jessica Jessica's eleven pound baby is goals. I mean, she just owns her pregnancy like any instrument. Yes. I mean that needs to go and like a museum somewhere painful to by the way, Yvonne, mild swelling that I've had my it's really hard to wool. Yeah. What I say clear like before you got here. I did say allowed to these two I really wanna be own own it like Claire does on social media. Because today is the day you posted like the way. Oh, well, sited on the beach. You think you're so funny and witty about it and so fired. But honestly, it's it's good to make fun of yourself. I think as long as you're not doing it in a way that it's like put down whatever. Yeah. I just like to you know, it's it's such a weird experience you buddy late might as well off about it. It's true. Okay. Weirdest nesting project. Well, we're at the stage now where we haven't really put the nursery together completely. But it is such an extreme emotion because we've ordered furniture and it hasn't arrived yet. And I have this extreme sense of it has to be put together. Yeah. And my husband's like Kay, but it's not here yet. So we can't do, you know, and it's just as crazy nesting feeling and I also don't want to leave my house. Yeah. I met that stage where I'm one hundred percent happy being at home with him doing like or figuring out the register doing baby things and feeling productive. But not being out in the world. It's a safety thing. I don't know. What's really interesting and outs? Another thing I rolled my eyes at all the time with people onus dig. Okay. It's a thing. And now, no it's nothing new. I'm sorry. I wrote my is at you for sure and my about your stage of pregnancy. I was I need this nursery done immediately MacOS icon. And then obviously all the books is arrived. And I put them in a room and didn't know what to do with them. And just stand at them and over the course of about three days. Went crazy. And it'll, but it's that's the thing. I am getting the bottles organized and everything ready before in folding, the little ones es and washing everything. It just I I had this phase around probably thirty four weeks where ever I needed everything Washington. Everything cleaned in everything ready to go. And because I thought he was coming. Ha ha. Jokes. I'm the captain now. It doesn't help whenever and says your baby's gonna come to like people would stop me. And be like, oh, you're not going to the end. No, no, no, you'll very low. I can tell I have a sense about these things now. It'd be like you think. Okay. Great does. Yes. I think you'll probably ri- just amazed at how much information people were willing to share and nothing that they know about pregnancy. It's amazing totally. Wow. Okay. If people yell at me, by the way from 'cause is having four or five times in the past week like you having a boy and he's coming soon. And I'll be like I am having a boy, and I hope but wind down that windows is mostly guys to that. Is that new range the pregnancy version of the whistle? Oh that happened. And then someone took a back. I'm not kidding someone dwt like wolf whistled me in the car as I was walking got closer. It was like. Like the down into the whistle on having a stadium. They so rude to to to be take that back committee with. Wing. Well, also. In your life where you could use a whistle. Like, it makes you feel do you want that? You're you're like start Tina how beautiful my breasts are right now. They've never been this juicy. So let me show very Joni. Yeah. Anyway. So okay. What is the coolest thing that you guys have experienced a fire? You're like, oh my God. I didn't realize my body like that you preciado about pregnancy or you're like buck. Yeah. Like women are bad in their moms. And here's Bror and like how beautiful and insane our bodies. I mean, all of it. But the cakes cakes amazing my God, I was just telling them before we started recording this that for the first time she started kicking. And it's and I felt it and I was able to put my husband's hand on there. And he was talking to her. And it's funny. He swears by this that he was pushing and she'd push back and push and push back and he's like she's communicating with me. And so he felt like that was their first interaction together. But to answer your question candidates. I think the most amazing thing about. Our bodies is that we can literally do nothing, and this baby grows. So it's not like we have to do anything extraordinary that we just sit here. And our body knows exactly what to do. And that is something I'm still coming to terms with is that I could literally just continue to live my life. And then this being knows exactly what to do. And we'll come and I can't get over that. And that was a really beautiful thing that my I was having a chiropractor session. When I was your stage in pregnancy. I think and I was feeling really down on myself. 'cause I was like I'm not doing anything. I'm just sitting on the couch. I'm like show useless. I'm used to working I'm used to feeling good and energetic, and I'm lazy. I'm just so lazy. I just sit around and do nothing and he looked to me. And he goes clay, your body is working Hotta right now than any men on the planet will ever work in their entire life. Like you working hotter right now. And I said they're not saying that's a really beautiful thing. Like, even when I feel lazy or I feel like I'm not contributing to the world the way that I wanna be oh, I'm not one of those women whose shooting until you split things to you. I don't know how you do that shooting until thirty six weeks pregnant, or you know, I'm still working, and I'm still doing something that's meaningful. And so that was really cool thing. That's what a great husband. You have to say that it was my parents after. What a great cry over you feel like husband's swords Zander pregnancy. Please readjust these hips like a, yeah. I that's the only time I've been to a chiropractor was at the end of my pregnancy. And it was life changing really helps released so much of the pain and pressure that was going on. Okay. So I do want to talk about the fourth trimester. Because you guys are obviously babies in utero, but this is such an lovely opportunity, especially since Claire you will be holding your baby by the end of this week. I will. So let's be honest. Let's be real babies born it's bliss. It's amazing. But yes, you will be exhausted. You will be questioning every decision that you make. It's so true. The second year leaving the hospital, you might have moments of like, okay? I know what I'm doing. I'm a mother now. And then the next moment you're like, why are they letting me leave with this child? I know nothing about what to do when I get home in those moments. Like, what advice do you wanna give yourself right now? Because right now, you're clear headed your open, your, I it's totally different. When like you're working purely on instinct, so what kind of little message? Do you want to have been able to play yourself? But if people on teen mom can do it. I doing. Sixteen year olds make this shit was so no because I have those moments all the time specifically we had someone come and help us installed stole coffee in the car a couple of weeks ago, and he was both of us couldn't do it. And we in that mode trying to like look the thing in and make sure it was level must be a thing. Because so many people have given me numbers of it's really help help that will come install his car seat. And I keep saying to myself. I it's a curse the right? You just click it. Okay. Okay. So this guy came and he and then he was teaching us how to put the newborn in and weta poll and make sure that distracts onto, but they have to be tight enough that the, you know, if there's an accident, it keeps them in and don't let this pot until you. And I just like I am completely ill equipped to be a parent. Can I cannot do this? I don't I can't even figure out a frigging Kasey. And then I liked took a breath and looked at my husband who's feeling the same way. And I was like so many people have done this before us, and you figure it out, and you don't have to be perfect and you'll have to do everything, right? All the time, and you're going to make mistakes and baby's gonna cry. And there's going to be moments where you think you're not doing it. Right. And you're terrible mother. But you know, I think that's normal knowing that that's normal and knowing that you'll figure it out, and we all are parents figured it out and our grandparents figured it out. I think that knowing that there's a community around you that Phyllis. I'm ways I think what's going to help same. And that's what I wanted. Tell myself in those moments is people in. The stone age did this out hospitals without medication without anything. And our race has continued to survive. I can do this for Shan and just knowing that we yeah. Not just do it but thrive love that. So just remember this is on record and lying low showing this stress levels rise. Just listen to this part of the podcast. We'll make sure I'll text you exactly the minute. Oh, you crying or just call me crying? Okay. Another important thing. Is that make sure you identify? What makes you feel good as as separate yourself from being a mom for a second. She'll never actually able to do. And that's okay. But what's something that you love doing like take pregnancy before you were pregnant? What's something that you love doing that? Makes you feel good. And I've realized exercises a huge deal for even during pregnancy. The endorphins I rely on it. And it's something that afterwards. I feel accomplished and I feel good about doing. And that's something that I know is difficult in the fourth trimester to do. But I want to even if it's just a simple yoga or something. I really want to commit to myself that I owe it to myself to do that just to move. Yeah. I feel that way too. I really want to be able to go outside and just woke just get some fresh air and have a minute to myself and not feel guilty full leaving the baby for thirty minutes and just taking some time because I know that's difficult. And I know a lot of people talk about that mountain. Guilt of not wanting to leave the baby with someone and the. Oh, my. What what is also really important to me is letting my husband do things and and feeling comfortable leaving the baby was my husband, and knowing that it will be okay. And you can change the diapers, and you can give him a bottle, and I can leave you, and it's going to be fine. Because I'm sure that this pot of you that thinks most no one's going to do it. Like, I'm going to do it. And it's my baby and I have to take care of him. Oh her and so I really want to define the time to allow him to have experienced. And it goes both ways. I mean, there are sometimes rethink like oh my gosh. No. My husband only knows how to do it this way and my partner, they're the only ones that know how to wrap the baby in the perfect swaddled. And I can't do it as well as them. Right. And when you realize like, oh, no, no, no. Which is really hard parenting lesson is that kind of the hardest part about parenting. Sometimes is that you each do things differently and one ways not right in one way is not wrong. And obviously there are certain like health things. But as long as you were able to discuss it. I mean, the reality is like sometimes you gotta. Kind of let each other find the way that they relate to the baby. And that they parent the baby. And yeah, you know, what they're not gonna put onto the diaper the exact same routine way that you do. But that's okay. And you're not gonna swallow the baby maybe as tightly or you're going to do it tighter. And that's okay joke. Tanna really good advice. When we first told you guys, and he said Tanner, they're going to be things that you're really good at and there's going to be thanks. Kate was really good at and you just gotta find that balance and figure out and give each other the chance to be good at the thing. You can do. And I just that's really resonated with us when we've talked about that a lot. Yeah. Well, I love the that resonated and it's true. And so, and then it gives you that space that if you go out and have time for yourself because you do need it. It's the oxygen mask thing is even more true. You have to take care of yourself in order to be there to take care of your baby. And if that means like calling a friend to come over and be like, I need to sleep. I did that in Atlanta. I was so tired one day. I literally called my friends and said, I just seem to come over. And within two seconds. I was passed out and they just took over. They knew they knew like thank you Vanessa and Eric shot, but they literally I woke up and was like mortified, and they're like, no like you needed to sleep. It's okay. We got her. We got you. And so it really is finding that community around you and then also leading into working out in feeling good. I always like to remind women after they have a baby here's some pregnancy. Facts. It takes nine months for your body to get this way sometimes longer than nine months. I mean, they kind of say ten months your uterus begins at the size of a small peach and it stretches to the size of a watermelon, which is five hundred times. It's original size five hundred yet. I can attest. And it feels like it takes six weeks for it to get back down to the peaches size, and it will and it does, but you have to give your body time. And I think that we get so caught up as women have being like look how quickly I bounced back. But what you're really doing is a disservice to your body because it does it takes it twice as much blood is flowing through your body. Your heart scout grown a little bit bigger. Your uterus is five hundred times, it's original size. So give your body a break, and it will service, you it will do everything you ask of it. Just treat it kindly because why would you if you had a friend that was like trying to heal from like, a traumatic experience. You never be like, okay. You get two weeks. And then we're you got it snap back to it. Like treat your body like your best friend because it's exactly what you said clear like what you're chiropractor said it is working so hard. And so the kinder. You can be to it. I really think it just as you a better. Service on healing in the long run and like getting back in touch until like, okay, I'm ready for my jeans. Now, you gave me some great advice on that point a couple of weeks ago when we had lunch you like gome by yourself a pair of jeans sort of like two size not bigger than normal size. And then you can feel like you've got chains on and you fitting back into them. But you don't have to like squeeze into the ones that you had before or not be out about in them up old. You're not stuck still in maternity Jane's. So I did that last week. I went and I bought two peasants who says an apparent assize bigger. And I know I have like a couple random sizes in my door at home, and I'm not going to put an I'm just going to wear whatever Janesville good and worry about it. That's so being so nice to yourself. And that's really what you deserve. That's great advice. Okay. Gonna follow suit. Yes. Because it's true. And even with the hormone levels like your hormones are gonna in. It's just being aware. And I feel like a lot of it has to do with sleep too. And it's true use your community. Like that's the best gift. You don't need like a leather baby. Bonnet. Unlike motors. You need sleep. Honestly and food. It's true. Like if you want friends use your friends there, and they want to help like if you need to sleep call your friends, what did you do about visitors? Like did you have a rule about like win going to have his for the first week? Or there's going to be a time limit on them. Because that's the thing that I'm starting to think about now as I approach that moment, you know, I'm sure there are going to be times where I'm really tired and someone might wanna stay for two hours. And I'm just exhausted. I need to nap. Did you have like a method or did you Joe have a plan? We were in Denver. So we did we had family, and we did have friends come by. And you and Amanda flew out. Amanda, flew out three weeks in three weeks in and everyone just kinda got it. And if they didn't I felt comfortable being like, well, I'm going upstairs now in for the most part do understand. And the reality is like, look, we're not all in our like, we're not twenty figuring this out and people are like, let's. Hang in party. People have coming over either have kids or have an understanding or have nieces and nephews of like, okay. This is a sacred space. And if they don't you just say, hey, I'm going to go ahead of where I feel free. And then someone's got, hey, what can I do? And if you're like, honestly, can you go upstairs and grab stock diapers because I don't feel like walking upstairs or hey, actually, can you go let the dog out or you know, what can you go wash this bottle people love that they wanted to help because I'm good at Oscar people you have to have to. And that's an honestly, I don't think I would have ever been better at it, which which is women I think sometimes we're not very good at by nature, but I wouldn't have gotten good at it had. I not been like working that first year. Joe couldn't beat her all the time where I literally was saying I even when Kayla would come back to film. I'd be like, hey, do you wanna spend the night? Just so we have a someone. So I can like p or shall no. I remember I had a hotel, and I didn't even stay in it the whole time, and I just stayed with you, and I was like go shower, I got Florence and she fell asleep on my chest. And like it was just a really special time. And I can't commend you enough for doing that on your own business. I don't know either. I mean, you do your survival for long, filming UC to film, when you let show is very physical do it because you have community built around you. And you don't get too scared to ask for help. Right. That's how you do it. That's exactly how you do. You ask your friend to stay with you. So you can sleep you fall asleep on a friends couch because you can't stay awake anymore. And you say like, hey, guys, I can't go out to dinner tonight. But I really need like social engagement. You guys come here order food do that. And guess what? People are there for you. And they get it. And and that's kind of what you realize like becoming a parent is like, okay. Yeah. Like it. Just your priorities shift, but people are there to shift right along with you. I have to say having this conversation with you to has really changed my perspective on pregnancy. Because I realized I had this epiphany the other day that I'm not enjoying being pregnant, and and I think a lot of it has had to do with work, and I've been having to hide it up to this point. And so now being able to be free enough to discuss it and talk about on this podcast and be with you guys. It's made me want to own it more and really embrace it and honor it, and you're right honor my body for everything it's doing so that's what I told myself too. I mean, definitely trying to embrace it and honor it I've had a hard time. And I'm not one of those women that had you know, like a hippie and the bad foot in the grass and loves being pregnant. I don't I I struggle with it. But I still. Have so much respect from my body. And I still can't believe I'm doing it. And I lie in bed at night. And I'm like, wow, I got this. This is so fricking cool. But I also don't judge myself fifth saying this sucks, and I don't like that. I can't look out. And I don't like that my body hurts, and I miss Margaritas, and I miss my old self, and I miss my identity. I think it's okay. Because when you do acknowledge that and you do acknowledge that things change it's a little easier than trying to fight. All I thought as well. Okay. And that's going to translate into parenting, except you get to drink the, Marguerite. Promise me, we'll go from Meritas. Good done there. Thank you so much joining. It's awesome. I love to we can't wait to see pictures of your pain. He's knowing him. He's going to be like, I'm not coming out and can't. Staying in there. What's the first thing? You're going to do once. He's once he's here have a Margarita. Can you do that the hospital? No, john. Well, you my birthing center said I could have brought champagne, but I ended up at the hospital, and yeah, there's a lot going on remission pain. I drink when I got back home. That was my first meal was sushi and champagne, and you're making a lot of breastfeeding. Go to balance. Yeah. So you know, the child. Decided to be drunk. You think about? Timing it out. You're like, okay. What time is it? We Lubbock sharing her story with us. Oversight. Support for directionally. 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Novel 9 - Sounds Like That Could Have Been An Email

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Novel 9 - Sounds Like That Could Have Been An Email

"Ninety one I guess over those one and this is our ninth digital invention engine novel rating episode so just always taught. I'm actually really enjoying reading this. It's just it's really great to have this extra inside of what the carrots the thinking and a couple of episodes ago how we learned that there was some connection between Eddie van Dome which was moralist just implied in the actual anime. So I'm really enjoying the fact that there's some extra bits and pieces. I know that they fixed a few a couple of other things. I want to say exactly what it is. But I'm really looking forward took rating how it's done but I'm just really enjoying Howie. Seemed to get extra insight of how carrots feeling towards certain events especially Sean in L.. Eighth raiding which was the arrival of Skull Grimaud and just how all the characters react to that insist it's really nice to raid so so I'm really grateful that we can read this and of course thank you to on cave translations in the fact that we can consume this bit of media that was only available viable in Japanese so today will be continuing all with chapter three and will we rating pot. Three of chapter three in novel one so and it seems to be quite like we're about twenty four twenty episodes into the show that's over done and we have three books to go. Always some to the kind of s really sped up the first chunk of episodes into a very small amount of time. So it'd be interesting to see how they continue on with with how many episodes are left considering. We have two books. The first book so three books. I'm not sure how they're going to continue. But it's I'm I'm looking forward to it and it's kind of a relief that they can't escaped pasta all the formula. Everyone gets an evolution to adult because h episode it was more or less the same and it was just a little bit of candidates. So it's kind of good. They skipped that but I'm really interested to say how they're going to go for the rest of the three book series raise in terms of pacing. So let's continue pot three access. I'm sorry Tai Chi Koran apologized. This heartedly he's is down cost Cormon. Didn't realize it but even though he's kind words it's held no blamed for his partner. They may touchy feel. Moore's if he was carrying a heavy crossovers back even though he was able to make gramont evolve to perfect level neither touchy or skull grain on could control its actions in the end skull. Grandma's wild rampage caused him to eight up so much energy that degenerated all the way down to Kuruman it was possible that he'd run out of so much energy that he didn't even have enough to stay in his form from only could remember while he was skull. Graham as Corwin clumsily explained it felt as if a dam inside of broken apart and he had been taken away by his destructive destructive actions unable to do anything but look on in the back of his mind like touchy head. It was all my fault. I'm sorry touchy apologize. I car on and then to everyone else I really am sorry. Everyone forgave him without a fuss pot of this was because they didn't want you to. I feel bad about it any more than he already did. But also because they ulf out responsible for not stepping in and stopping touchy from his extreme actions if they had blamed him and if they had shunned him and made him go on his knees and beg their forgiveness he might have been able to pour out his feelings of Greg along with his tears but because he was unable to do that now. Those feelings piled on top of each other like poison inside his body and slowly. Ice Away at the inside of touchy haunt ever since then and touchy spoke very little. He hardly made any attempts to speak to the others. And when the other try talking to him he would just announce it back with only Lia. Yeah Oh okay and like it is as touchy suppressing reserve spread to the other children until all of them felt as if they hearts. That's what filled with dark clouds and a downpour of rain with some would have never arrive. Hey Kosher or coon one night. Three days after they had left the Coliseum Sam and set up camp at a water mill that seemed completely useless in the middle of a desert sore called out to kosher and brought up something that she'd been thinking about would would they be able to get in touch trajan. I San there's a lot I wanNA talk to him about not just on evolution but also what we should do from now now. Getting taught Shit's not impossible. I think that surprised her sore had been certain that he would tell her. It could be done if it's not impossible to that. Many think he can do it. Possibly how if I use the black cables that could be a way. Black cables cables. This was what Kosher said everyone. Including Seora had seen the black cables connected to the enemy grown at the Coliseum but after skull grandma's Frenzy Kosher revealed that he had gone to where the enemy grime on had first appeared in all to investigate how this being set up. Then kosher discovered that head Ed or the ripped black cables was another black cable attached to a modular Jack buried underneath the stone floor also just moments before he had discovered a low black black cable running through a dry well nearby. Those black cables probably laid out server continent like a mesh net. Creates it's network the modular. Jack was same status my laptop so it may not be impossible for me to use my computer to break into the network. Her is round sore asked. Why didn't you tell anyone before about this? This is important. I couldn't not after what happened to tight you on even did I believe it would just raise even more trouble trouble. What do you mean well? It's the same network. The Ataman uses every break into it. Without anyone noticing. There wouldn't be a problem slim but if we do get spotted well domed Saudi and understand much computers all the Internet but she had seen a news report on TV about a hacker who had been in court by the FBI after he tried to break into a government agencies computer to rewrite. The data was our customer. I meant is. Is there a way to keep us from being noticed. Since I don't know how the system set up I can't speak with certainty kosher said I as a way of covering base but anyone saw ordinance must also be using a computer terminals for the network by connecting to it. They may not be able to tell whether or not one of them although it possibly would would don for one prospect is that it could give us a chance is there isn't isn't anyone in this world who would want infiltrate network so it wouldn't have much of a security system after that Cochrane talked enthusiastically a- access logs and proxies but sort of couldn't understand any of it what she thought Kosher was trying to say in the end was that it was possible to hack into animals network without him noticing but failed Kershaw could not take that responsibility. The democratic way of doing this would be is if they held L. D. Conference with all members present and came up with the unanimous decision. But she can already imagine the outcome. Joe Yamato Mamie would most definitely say no tucker might follow. What is said touchy seemed like the only one who the most likely to agree with her bananas? Current state there was no no way he would feel up to it and he would without doubt. I'm staying from voting. But Kosher or at least it appeared that way. Sora seemed confident so so in that case trike sure I'll take responsibility for whatever happens. She knew that she had no right to be making this decision. But they had to break out of this stifling and cramped situation somehow sooner or later etem define them attack them anyway so even the did end up failing they would also be speeding eating up that moment it was time to die then they would have to die. She thought family if she was blamed for that. Then so be it very well. I'll try. Cochrane consented but. I don't think we should all get our hopes up. I'm I'm used to not finding him. He smiled at sore attempts of playfulness in order to set as finding himself within the small bottom of the empty well Cochrane tapped continuously on his laptop cable from above the well so look down at him as he worked with a wide frown. Her face he's connection with the network work was simple and smooth. It didn't even ask for a password. Making sweeping lots of the system. Kosher Grew astonished as he sold that the network has built. Hilltop was well-maintained it wasn't just connected throughout serve a continent but in places outside the continent borders as well there were other continents besides server continent around perhaps the network had existed there in the first place and Etta Moma's only just using that convenience it also security system fully in place but for some reason it wasn't functioning right now just as a precaution. Kushner re wrote the access logs and deleted deleted all traces of his presence there when he received an email from a digital who knew of denies whereabouts. The address said Abderrahmane at Factoria Tori Hyphen town dot file hyphen island. It was from the Andrew Mom they had met in fact town on follow and thanks cup. The nobis Andrew Cohen was the supervisor of factory town and endlessly cycling factory that may products and then took a pot again. After they had taken out Blackie and him he had informed them of the sewage system. That would take them toyed him he had also given Kosher Amal address in case something happened of of course. Since Kosher himself didn't have an email address in this world he had to make one. He locked into a random survey on the system and illegally created an inbox for himself. Andrew Moans reply came back underneath his email like chat books. I've informed in of this. The reason why he hasn't contacted you until Oh now was because Edimo was blocking him but thanks to you the network has jammed and he can contact you directly his aim wrote just when Kushner climbed out the well tank route came to get him Seora Janae had arrived through a holographic imaging to give them a message that was fast source said in surprise because it was more concerned about something else. Asthma had said in his email. Thanks to you the network has jammed oak. Oshiro had done was hacking to the network. Not Do anything that he could surmise that freezing and shutting it down or was it because he set up the new inbox and it caused some sort of blew up. In the system system a large cactus stood behind the world mill and that was where the children and their digital world gathered by the time. Kosher and the others got there they could hear touchy in the middle of handing down on Janai Khosro only go to hear the last part of his words but it was why the Holographic Janai held his hands together behind his back and on slightly slow. You've evolved The thing is there may be a many possible parts of evolution. None of them are true or wrong path. But the reason why you didn't achieve the evolution you wanted his because you are astill very inexperienced and experienced. That's right you did your mom evolving reflection of your own personal growth. Then what what do I do to grow. I'll send you a train. He's name is static suddenly infiltrated the whole ramp. Mon- listen to what he's the Hologram Graham shut off abruptly Cochrane said he had wanted to ask him any questions like how this came about or how the evolution mechanism some what and also what was the reason for why the network had gone weed but he hadn't had the chance he he said he was going to send a train. China did he meows. Pell looking for confirmation. Yeah he did so. Maybe that means we'll get a body God. If we're lucky joe whispered none of them appeared that expectant it seemed that they still had some misgivings about trusting Janai maintenance complete send Ataman will be irritated by now at it. Still being unable to connect to the network not alone sent him an email to confirm that it was back online right after he brought back the security system from suspension none of them had noticed. Kush Rosalie Lexus. However instead of shutting him down he had stopped the security system and end cut off from the network of course? He didn't intend to report any of what happened to him on. It wasn't like he had negation to. He decided to let it alone. The inbox Kushner had made illegally in the network and JEN is loss woods. Interested him and it was possible that he could use this information in some. I'm way all right. So as always a very large thanks to on K.. Friday us with this translation and we'll be reading pot for next time. Some of chapter three the link dumps description and of course you can find all von case translations linked there and you can also find Republican description. You can get more on just jets there you can contact us and stay update you can also get lost in translation gmail.com or in Communist on this episode own message on a website lost in translation dot com. You can false transitional twitter and you can find some lesson transitional tumbler facebook instagram and Youtube. We have scripted that on with the will and Iran throw in the Digital Sabat Abbott. 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#169  Omens of a Race War

Making Sense with Sam Harris

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#169 Omens of a Race War

"Welcome to the making sense podcast. This is Sam Harris Okay. Let's see here brief. Housekeeping added a conversation track to the waking up course and so I started interview teachers there and other experts on topics related to meditation and the nature of mind live in an examined life that's just starting generally speaking these will be teachers experts I admire and agree with but also people who have genuine insights but may also believe a lot of cockamamie ideas that I wanNA push back on and they're also be some cautionary cautionary tales and just added one of those the former cult leader Andrew Cohen who as I made clear I don't think is merely really a fraud though he clearly created a lot of harm. I think he's a person who had some real insights and created a lot of harm anyway. 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Perhaps sometimes I will have left everything on the field but if I have any further thoughts I will put them after sure the conversation and not up front in the housekeeping and now for today's podcast too damn speaking with Kathleen Balu Kathleen is a historian and the author of the book bring the war home the white power movement and paramilitary America and she spent ten years researching searching in writing this book she is currently an assistant professor of history at the University of Chicago and you may have heard her fresh air as I did and she's appeared on CBS news elsewhere and there was a pbs frontline documentary based on her work titled Documenting Hate New American Can Nazis Anyway. We cover a lot of ground in this episode we talk about the White Power Movement in the United States the difference between white white power and white supremacy white nationalism and white separatism and the militia movement we talk about the Turner Diaries the significance of events like Ruby Ridge and Waco the Christian identity movement the significance of so-called leaderless resistance the failures of the justice system in prosecuting union white power crimes and other topics and now without further delay. I bring you Kathleen Balu I'm here with Kathleen Balu Kathleen. Thanks for coming on the PODCAST. Thank you so we our job. Today is to talk about white power and white supremacy and white nationalism and white separatism and other joyful topics and you've written a book titled Bring the War Home The white power movement and paramilitary America and obviously this these topics are more and more in the news news as we we live yet another year in trump stan just to get our bearings your how how did how did you come to know anything about this stuff and and maybe to start. How would you differentiate the terms? I just listed. That's a great place to begin. These terms are distinct and it's Brin Brinda understand that they describe a whole range of beliefs ideologies and ways the people through the world so the big category is despite supremacy now that covers everything from individual belief systems to the different kinds of systems opportunities that Structure Daily Life Our Ajay many scholars established that America is what we might appoint supremacist nation and by that means simply that there is unable distribution should bution up resources opportunities and other owners of American life will be good look at incarceration education health all kinds of different imagine seeking us understand that now that is historical in that it's something that was established over time and we see vestiges of white supremacy in law policy on NFL individual in terms in terms of belief system from person to person now all of that big white supremacy is is much more morpheus in distinct from what irate about which is the white power movement that is a group of activists us as I should say I use activists not in any kind of positive terminology but simply describe someone who is taking action to bring about a in social change and the people that I write about are members of the Ku Klux Klan Neo Nazi groups skinheads militia groups some are radical tax protesters and some are other constructs of anti-state believe these groups came together in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and set out to wage war on the federal government. So what I write about is the period from the end of the Vietnam War to the Oklahoma City bombing that really set the stage for at the politics the present Yo so i WanNa talk about the origins of all this but you know hopefully we will have something to say about the the the nature of what's happening in the present so let's let's talk about. Oh I you just made a few distinctions that that we should clarify so you mentioned a bunch of these groups new Nazis the KKK the groups of people of heard about like the area nations and the order you alluded looted to to tax evaders. I guess I guess those are sovereign citizens. These groups are not all identical ideologically they are they. I mean how do you how do you parse this landscape and and is there a now a formal connection between all of these miscreants miss grandson and into they help one another even if they don't totally agree so this is something that the scholarship missed for quite a long time Harley through you're using an overly rigid idea what social admit should be at should look lake many social events in the late twentieth century a fragmented in the way. I described to you now the other thing that people do I think this is a very natural sort of human approach to a a belief system that you find foreign or objectionable is to try to sorted voted into categories so there's a lot of early scholarship that sort of trying to figure out how many of these people are not these how many are skinheads how many are clansman and which symbols exactly exactly it should be used by which room exactly what variety of ideology find clay's. NFL valuable to know and certainly there are differences between some of these groups but what I do is the historian is trying to understand how this movement works for people who were members of it and what you see on the ground is not strict divisions between these groups. What you see actually is a very vibrant circulation people from from group to group and between ideologies these people in this movement described their own activists and is very similar so one person sense of the on the lines of suppose? We're all Christian. It's like I'm Church of Christ. I over there is optus. We're all Christian a BRIS describe it as they're all in the armed forces that they're simply the army the navy things like this so it's it's important to have a load of understanding that allows us to see not only the distinctions but also the commonality and the fact that people moved at great frequency between different thinks Lisa's but are they all white supremacists or a and are they all white separatists or the all white nationalist today they all the stands out immediately to me. I I know very little about them but like the sovereign citizens are they even racists. Aren't they just tax evading. I'm not cases thing is as we probably want to get away from thinking about nutcase words like as early as possible because even though the people ooh that you might not agree with their acting pretty coherent worldview and set of beliefs that makes what they're doing legible the with the militia surrogates. I've seen too many of them on daytime television throwing chairs at Geraldo Rivera screaming at Sally Jesse Raphael Dating Myself Ourself for a little while and in in the moment I study they were really doing a lot of action appearances and certainly there are people in this event who I think we could all agree are are motivated by various kinds of mental disturbances as well as political ideology. There's one man I write about testified in front of that he'd been levitated tatum and speak to odd and things like this. He was leader movement. Anyhow movement is a little bit more difficult to grapple with than the earlier curious that is really the heart of my study. What I'm talking about is at the end of the nineteen eighty s there's this big movement of white power activity into militias wishes but the militia movement is bigger than my power and all of the emotional should be classified as white power? It's not kind of a one to win transition. What it is is that the white power MOMENTU which is substantial at the end of the nineteen eighties includes a major sort of upsurge network organizing groups weapons and money all ends up in the militias so when I'm kind of writing against the idea that quite hard movements simply disappears the end of the nineteen eighty s which many people had got instead it ends up within the militia event so what does that mean first of all there are groups of militiamen and individual than the movement that are not acting out of the same kind of over racial animus that is what we're dealing with a white power move in some of the incidents since activity might cost item outweigh however there are also a a lot of cases where that kind of race racial would be call race? Neutrality is actually simply the near to make white car activism more acceptable and that's an old strategy that goes way back at least to the Vietnam Russia into the early twentieth century so I think we have to be very cautious with the militias the area that deserves more study right. If I recall this is what made understanding Timothy McVeigh and and and Ruby Ridge and those incidents that will talk about a little confusing because it was it was entangled with this larger militia movement I Timothy McVeigh was associated with the the Michigan militia at one point and it wasn't clear what was what was what and what the ideology actually was as we talk about as a pretty clear case of our activism but in many cases are less cleared them out especially militia years. Let me go back before we move on part of your question that I think is a really good one which which is coming think about those other germs nationalism and white separatism so white these are often muddles terms and I'll start by saying that white white nationalism is the idea that there is something inherently racially and held in the category of the nation so the the idea that whiteness isn't inherent part of what makes the United States what it is and the the admission of other cultures will inherently disturb or weekend the nation over time in in terms of the study of extremist groups best example white nationalism I would I would argue. The one I used for. Teaching is the Ku Klux Klan in the nineteen twenties. Now that's very familiar. Example probably a lot of your listeners. When most people study at high school who is also huge was four million people it was ten percent of the State of Indiana and very famously this is where you get the pictures of the Klansmen Liam's midway white robes and hoods and marching on the National Mall in Washington? DC But with their faces uncovered because it was socially acceptable now what that plan was about was state legislation. We know this because a ton of them elected to office they were about state participation. Their slogans were things like one hundred percent American America for American since like this they were profoundly anti black and anti Semitic but they were also anti-immigrant and in and how long have other interests okay so that is white nationalism. That's not what we're talking about. From nineteen eighty three forward four people on the French because from nineteen eighty three forward there is a huge pivot in this movement partly fuelled by the sense of betrayal felt in aftermath. The Vietnam War in which power movement is instead setting out to overthrow the federal government to create race war and eventually found a nation so white separatism is better for what we're talking about but he did separatism is sort of a few steps short of the ideology. It's really the most popular and biggest animated push in this movement which is not only separatism they do pursue separatism meaning the demarcation servite homeland then the United States but the end game is not separatism the end game is overthrow of the United States and the creation of an all by polity that eventually they they envisioned my take over the world right so so they they do go that far they have a fourth Reich less complete Hitler's project kind kind of ideology. Do you do in the best place disturbed see and understand is in a dystopia novel becomes a sort of Lodestar for movement called Doug Turner Diaries lays out as an imaginative. I mean one thing that's really interesting about this movement from a scholarly perspective is how they they think they can possibly do it. Because it's a tiny group of people right. It's a fringe movement and they are setting out to to do what they say. In this novel in a a something like a nasty ass meeting on elephants they want to overthrow the most militarized superstate history of the world so the Turner diaries is so important not because it's you know readily qualities but because it really lays out how they can hope to achieve something radical right yeah so and as you point out in your book not only does this movement get naturally seeded by disaffected acted soldiers coming back from from war is not just the most relevant one. Here's the most proximate one is the Vietnam War but you point out that that is it in the aftermath breath of basically every war we fought this has been a phenomenon where some number of soldiers albeit a tiny percentage take their grievances against against the state the US government and direct them back home and hence the title of Your Book Bring The war home. Can he say something about that and then we can just talk about how the origins here and and just how many people are involved so this is actually how I got into this project I I wanted to do when I write a dissertation wanted to study the longest season racial violence in the United States. We are uniquely without a sort of shared public process around reckoning with alone violence that has characterized the nation in at that time the only he's sort of thing like that that had happened was a totally Non Governmental Truth and Reconciliation Commission in Greensboro North Carolina. This happened in two thousand five around rooms an event that that happened in nineteen seventy nine in which a United Caravan Clinton in Neo Nazis opened fire on leftist this anti-clinton March and killed five people wounded several more in the thing that the perpetrators people aligned with these ideologies said in the precedings was I kill Communists in Vietnam so why wouldn't anchor pure now. I couldn't stop thinking about this. This is a profound founded collapse of ten in space people it mixes up home home and battlefront it mixes up. We're in peacetime in collapses everybody Communist into the same kind of racial and subjugated category a death. This is enormously meaningful and what I wondered is if this is GonNa maybe a story about sort of Rambo story of veterans returning home in creating our home. It turns out that it's really not that simple at for all and that this isn't a problem of veterans. What we see indeed is that there is a surge in this kind of vigilante violence after every greenidge's returned from combat but it turns out that that affect actually goes across age groups across gender across categories of people who do don't serve in workfare are all of us become more violent in the aftermath of war now that raises a whole lot of questions you could go to the Max neighbor what kind of analysis about monopoly violence and whether the states rule in created warfare creates this aftermath we can go to individuals bring back with them? I think I tend to think it's a combination of a whole lot different complex factors but what we know for sure is that we see this reverberation effect in the the aftermath of violence and that this tiny tiny percentage of returning veterans brings back with them things like munitions expertise that are then used is to escalate the body of Whitehall violence. The war also of creates a paramilitary culture in the nineteen eighties in the United States. You know people that I read about these fringe believes hardly the only people who think that war is the major cultural event their lifetime. You can just look at the surge of movies movies and Komo fatigue clothes. Hey Paul ranges all things like that so they're also capitalizing this big cultural moment the nineteen eighties ace yeah and also get the the increased militarization of police forces and in the response to that I mean that the right wing wing outrage over the apparent misapplication of of state force the the two events that you're right about that were so galvanizing housing to this movement were Ruby Ridge Waco where you have essentially military snipers and and in in the case of Waco a ton of military hardware intruding upon the lives of somewhat deranged but as yet non violent people and essentially escalating these situations into into can mass murders if you view it from the side of of those who view them you know in the branch Davidians and and the People Ruby Ridge as pure victims uh-huh maybe that's a good place to start how did what happened with Ruby Ridge and Waco and and would that do to the white power movement sure and we should think of Ruby Ridge Waco as related but through the different kinds of events in the other thing. I wanted just interject before we start a story is that the paramilitary policing that came into public view in public sorta became attractive Public Discussion Because Ruby Ridge Waco. Oh that kind of policing had already been used on a lot of civilians the United States because counterinsurgency warfare was also developed sort of through new experimental methods in communities of Color in Vietnam before it was used in this way so what's new about Waco and Ruby Ridge is mostly that it's televised and that people are focusing on it in the way that they do us partly because the people at the receiving end this violence. Why so what happens in Ruby Ridge is that there's a wealth Ruby Ridge is a case of a white power activists randy weaver and his family had moved to the area to become survivalists they bill a rough cabin? They followed Christian identity practice which is aiming white power theology Randy weaver ran for sure on white power platform and they had visited earned several times early twice or something about hind at one of these the nation's meetings a government informant trying to get randy weaver to also become a government informants by selling him a in legal weapon that had been modified to be. I think a quarter of an inch short it's hard not to sympathize with the idea that randy weaver people who do people of all political stripes actually looked at this case insertive sink. This was dirty delay on the part of government. WHO's kind of entrapment I mean yes I? I'm not a legal scholar but entrapment is certainly the word that he tried to the first case the off other things happened by way of miscommunication including giving him the wrong court date event responding when he didn't show up to the date although he also decided not to go so there's a whole bunch of bad faith effort around this and and then government snipers in circle his cabin to try to demand that he come to court the Weaver family all of them including the children are highly armed and this turns into a multi day standoff with several people killed in the person events including Vicki Weaver killed as she's holding her infant daughter in her arms arms the cabin and for reasons we can talk about her. Death is among the people lost her that sort of singularly and work to this movement the number of symbolic reasons the theme that I find most interesting about this is that Ruby Ridge is kind of the moment where we can see that ah the white harm movements paramilitaries ation and by that I mean the way that is becoming more and more like an rb. It's using military grade weapons in uniform at this point clansman have largely abandoned the white robes and hoods using hammer fatigues instead. They're using things of this kind. WE Z. That paramilitaries Asian colliding with a concurrent paramilitary para militarization of policing so there's a picture picture that I found in the archive where a group of skinheads was on their way up to the mountaintop during the siege intention of resupplying more guns Komo and they're they're hot they're detained and arrested by the ATM which is all the firearms and there's a photograph of a officer officer arrested with the skinheads down floor with his neon on on the back in the photograph they're wearing the same uniform they're indistinguishable from except that one of the ATF jacket and it's really something that two completely different elements of society one being supposedly Huzzah lead a neutral arbiter of state law and the other being anti state movement could come to be outfitted in such a way so all of that gets really cooked into a frenzy by Waco which is not our event per se the branch Davidians who are surrounded rounded and put under siege at Waco are actually multiracial compound but they are kind of apocalyptic group of I guess we could say eh travelers with our movement in certainly our movement understands it as a White House event in fact in some of the magazines within the White Harm Garmin Asia only the photographs of Waco victims who are white victims they miss the other people so and Timothy McVeigh was actually standing there. I mean this was like a month long. FBI ATF siege yet and and many people travel the among them Timothy McVeigh which is going to bear witness to this atrocity in the making with the misapplication of of state power our whether or not David Koresh himself was white supremacist yes in unlinked Ruby Ridge which is very remote and on top of the mountain and most of the images coming out with satellite images wade goes on Texas prairie so the the cameras could watch everything happen including win federal armored vehicles uncles ruled compound or the compound somehow car. This is still a matter of some argument but the the siege the waco siege it became a sort of meeting people by harm that Louis Beam who is one of the Hugh leaders of this came out to the to the siege and asked ends of many of the law enforcement officers tried to get press credentials. Tim McVeigh made the trip was not their win. Be The fire happened at the the end. Although there are reports of him watching on television with tears running down his face and significantly will receiving about these law aftermaths of warfare the armored vehicles Kimble's used to end the Waco siege were very very similar to the one that he may sound in golf were in the big red one tree vish just to close the loop on on Christianity here so so the branch Davidians Warrant Christian Identity Arians in quite the same way as in some of these other groups are but there is a kind of apocalyptic Christianity organizing some of this movement right and if I recall from your book the end of the Cold War seemed to signal to the people who have this cast of thinking that we were kind of entering the end times and this was the moment where you know the White Supremacist Christian ethno state needed to be built so Christian identity for listeners might not have heard about Baba's before is a political theology that holds that white people are the true lost tribe of Israel and that everyone else are racial enemies everyone else people colored Jewish people anyone who is not white unheard of this this fake polls have descended from either beasts or state depending ending on where you are in which stranded that the allergy and then simplifying a little bit for expediency but this is a fair depiction the interesting interesting thing about Christianity in terms of how it operationalize is this movement is that unlike Evangelical Churches which are also gaining wing huge number chefs in the nineteen eighties which are also becoming very politicized in Berry focused on the apocalypse unlike evangelical. 's Hirschson identity has has no rapture. There is no promise that the faithful will be this hideous battle at the end of the world instead the faithful well are supposed to survive the battle so they become survivalists and they are tasked with clearing the world enemies which again is all non might people Jews and clearing the world enemies so that Christ can return so what Christian identity does for the people of movement who believe in it is to transfigure this whole the thing into a holy war now this thing about the apocalypse though is way bigger in our bedroom at the end of the whole war is significant it again kind of direction May next book maybe going the end of the Cold War a significant in this way not only for people French or for Evangelical but for a whole lot the people in the United States because if you think about Cold War America people had really come to live with the idea of imminent end of the world the imminent threat of last presented nuclear warfare can think about those duck and cover drills videos all the different ways that people were started crying Komo Society to think about how that kind of happen at any time and then that layered on top of this religious beliefs which again ranges from evangelical churches all all the way to the Christian identity French so what happens in nineteen eighty nine super interesting because the enemy disappears the Soviet enemy disappears at the end of the whole war but the belief doesn't disappear so there's this whole group of people who suddenly have this intense belief in the imminent apocalypse rex but this whole story so for people on the by car movement a lot of people simply replace the state into that I did missing enemy slot messages that in the nineties this is kind of a crisis of of narrative for a lot of people beyond this movement so in the aftermath with of Waco we have Timothy McVeigh you know highly motivated it would seem to take the war home and and at that point just prior to the Oklahoma City bombing. Do you have a sense of how many people were part of this movement. Yes so hello this is a this is a tricky thing to count and I'm GonNa explain my best estimate and I'm going to tell you some of the problems with it. Historians and sociologists have kind of thought about this in concentric circles which is to say that sang earlier social movements have of kind of varying levels of degree in participation if you will seeking think about insects are both like a bull in the middle are only out twenty five thousand people now those are the people who live and breathe the movement they marry other people movement they get rights to the airport from other people in the movement admit it go to all the rallies they organize their lives around this. They moved to the northwest sometimes for reasons. They have children in school them in the way prescribed at movement okay outside about there's another ring of people that's around one hundred fifty two hundred seventy five thousand people. Those people do public facing stuff like attend. Dan Rallies subscribe to literature regularly read the newspapers outside of that is another four hundred fifty thousand people and those people don't themselves contribute view money or time but they do regularly read literature so what we can imagine is that there is another more diffuse group of people outside of that who would not read something it says official newspaper of the Knights KKK but who might agree with many of the ideas that are presented in it so we have to think about is the way that this kind in modeling organizing both moves ideas from that hardcore singer eastern mainstream and pulled in recruiting people towards the Middle Okay now now that I've said that best estimate one other thing is at play which some sociologists discovered which is that after nineteen we need three. This movement is using strategy called leaderless resistance now this is actually very very similar to how we now understand cells titled Terror and I think a lot of people were they familiar because of all the things we learned after Lebanon leaderless resistance simply holds that people can agree on a common common set of targets and objectives and then work together to achieve them through violence without communication with other cells or with central leadership and leaderless resistance just inside the white power movement came about mostly because they were so frustrated with FBI infiltration in the in the civil rights era and because they thought it would make it more difficult to prosecute them in court and it did make both of those operations more difficult but the bigger legacy and leaderless resistance has been that we lost oss our entire consumption of this as a social movements and I can talk more about that in a minute in a minute but what this means for numbers is that after Nineteen eighty-three this movement is no longer interested in trying to get you know ten thousand people to merchant industry. This movement is interested in trying to get twelve how people who are willing to rob a bank or set off a bomb so what we have to remember is an after nineteen eighty three decreasing numbers actually doesn't mean decreasing Alex or activity so you sketched a picture of something like seven hundred thousand people who are in these the central rings of the of the Movement and you know you know twenty five thousand of whom are actually you know soldiers or consider themselves soldiers. Do you have a sense of I did that outer ring of of sympathizers and maybe there's a ring beyond that I'm just trying to imagine how many people in the US when they saw Oklahoma the home acidity thought yeah. That's probably a good idea. You know that had to happen. I understand what McVeigh was up to their. How many people would you thank were were untroubled by the preschool kids who were killed there? I mean I just because there's a picture as one know what we're talking about when we're talking about you know murderous white supremacy and its sympathizers yes absolutely I think that's a really interesting question. Especially because in one of these answers are ever symbol even for people in the movement. There's a lot of argument in the movement about the efficacy of a blonde city eighty because of the children. That's a really hard pill for people in the movement to swallow because white children are so central to what they think they're doing may maybe that's a confounding variable. Maybe maybe it's just we need a different example but so let's just focus on on Oklahoma City for a moment we can summarize Mariah what what Oklahoma City was briefly. I mean people be fairly familiar with it but I guess a few things to point out one is that it was not totally totally clear that McVeigh was a white supremacist or at least it was not as as clear as it might have been. He's not he doesn't have. He doesn't have a swastikas tattooed on his arms that I recall and he didn't claim to be part of a white power movement right I think he even claimed and have just acted on his own and you are now saying that this is part of the plan to to actually hide the fact that you you had confederates and I think many people think thank you had you know several confederates who went unprosecuted and undiscovered and there was very little will to to go digging further there and then there was a fair amount of conspiracy thinking around that I remember Gore Vidal wrote pieces in early one piece in Vanity Fair and so just give me your your take on Oklahoma City and and and what it meant and and what it did to the movement share silly for regular Oklahoma City I want to give you when piece of information about kind of the relative size and importance of the men and that is simply a comparative example where we think about fringe movements in the United States what is important to state so the John Birch Society is much more studied and much more understood stood in the movement talking today John Berks society as a reading now is a anti-communist kind of cold war era extremist extremist group that sometimes borders on violence and that had a lot of political attention paid to it for a minute there. John Birch is usually covering textbooks as an example of extremism the John Lewis Society had about one hundred thousand people at its peak so we're talking about improvement it's larger in has in arguably more weaponry and military training than John Birch so for me. The question becomes find me not not why didn't we understand and how did we forget because all of the things that I write about this book are examples that were documented at the time like the Lincoln mkx Vaca- ace rate that talk about in the book were all covered in the press. There was footage of Klan paramilitary training camps on Good Morning America happened today. Show picks up the green for massacre was the subject of a Saturday night live sketch. This was in the guys people understood that things like this happening what we lacked. It was some kind of apparatus for putting together into the state story so that's the thing that I think is really interesting especially because we think about this phrase the lone wolf it. It was popularized by these activists. They deliberately wanted to disappear now. One example of that is the Oklahoma City Bombing Hewlett one hundred sixty eight people were talking about is of course Timothy McVeigh's fertilizer bombing of the Alfred team around Federal Building up on the city in Nineteen ninety-five now that is the largest deliberate mass casualty on US soil between the bombing of Pearl Harbor Eleven but it is not understood. We dont have a durable public understanding of this as being were biology and politics rather than one person's madness. We don't learn about in school. We don't think of it as a mile through moment for the United States leverage history survey. I think it's really interesting. We've missed it now. I think that of course there's a lot of conspiracy theory rounded multiple bomb theories. John DOE theories all kinds of things to me. I think the persuasive persuasive thing is actually in the historical archive and to understand what happened here. We have to go back to another trial. Enforcement Arkansas nineteen eighty seven eighty eight so they're the federal government attempted to try thirteen are activists and leaders on charges including seditious conspiracy to overthrow the federal government that trial had a huge evidentiary base in included the testimony of a whole bunch of people who are ends with the movement with a federal investigators to testify against their activists included a ton kind of seized weapons including things like anti tank guns grenades landmines it included the published raining of people who said they were going out to overthrow the government. It had a lot of problems and I think I think reasonable people can agree that there were issues this trial including but not limited to two of the jurors had romantic relationships with defendants during the trial. That's always delicate. It's sort of a a problem for a impartial jury saying there were chain of custody issues that excluded a ton of all evidence evidence and there were they were also trying this this case in an area of the country that had had enormous and hugely publicized these stories about by car movement the knee excluded all jurors who had even heard of the White Movement so essentially that was people who read the newspaper excluded on Spec so after this trial which was a huge disaster for the federal government. I mean the headlines about the acquittal. At this trial. We're things like jubilant racists swin trial this was very embarrassing for the federal government was followed as we just saw by Ruby Ridge and Waco which were also oh you know tragedies but also PR nightmares for the federal government so after the sedition trial there was actually a policy change in which the FBI decided did we won't order investigate these kinds of acts of violence as tied to a broader who we will investigate them only as individual crimes and that was the policy in place McVeigh the federal so it is of course in hindsight very difficult to know exactly what the shape of that after vandals wasn't who is involved because the investigation number happened yeah. I guess so one question I have those around this notion that a lone wolf is never lone wolf or that we should we should always suspect that alone. Wolf is part of a larger movement so like take the case ace of mcvay right well so we all know what it's like to see a white supremacist on television and interviewed or given an opportunity to to state his views and they're not shy about stating these views I mean they're they're proud of their racism right. They want to use the platform to further her spread. These ideas and we know what those vile chatterboxes or like and then you have someone like McVeigh who if he expressed any racism I'm sure there are things in his back story that suggest he was he was racist but a recently watched his the one interview oh he gave from death row to for sixty minutes and he didn't express anything like that there and when Cohen given an opportunity community to account for what he had done he he put it in terms that were really entirely focused on the misapplication application of of state power. He said he said unlikely the example you gave of the the veterans said I killed killed Communists over there and you know why not kill here. He gave a certainly less white supremacist gloss on what he had done. He said listen I was in Iraq and I killed people over there and I got medals as for it but you know what was I doing over there. Killing people you know I you know that wasn't my country and he would seem to be questioning. The whole premise that state power should be telescoped elsewhere and he said you know if I had been in Iraqi you know I would have been fighting me you know anyone who showed up in my country and so and then and then the only time he became animated in this interview was when Ruby Ridge and Waco came up and then you could see how disturbed he was and how justified he felt in responding to what he considered this this intrusive state violence and again. I I really yeah. I don't doubt that there was a racist undercurrent to his concerns there but if he really was a hard core white supremacist assist why not take those kinds of opportunities to talk about the future of the white race and the desecration of white women and all the other litany of concerns mm so you get from these people in other context the very valid question and I think this is where I think that not to to be a super nerdy historian about it but the history where we can really see. It's interesting this yeah well. Let me start by saying this. You started entering the question by thinking about do we have to see each one of these attacks as not normal attack. Let me just add one piece of that because the problem I see with that is that it becomes truly unfalsifiable becomes like that you know the scene in the life of Brian where you know they find the wrong Messiah and the Guy Says I'm not the Messiah and someone says that's exactly what the Messiah would say. It's yeah it. Also you know not all mass attack in the United States. That's carried out by people who live here has to do with this particular movement. I'm talking about a subset. Ah Mass I'm talking about the ones that are politically motivated and coordinated through movement. That's not all of them but it's a lot of uh-huh and we haven't done enough to understand what it is and why that's motivating people violence now McVeigh. Here's okay so there's a couple of what let me just let let me just start with what we know about him. and I'll start with a methodological distinction which historians a one of the time really distressed what people say about something after the fact we prefer to see what they did and McVeigh's life gives us some evidence that his you know public comments sort of don't show including as you mentioned his affiliation with the Michigan militia he also wrote letters to his sister saying he was going underground include encouraging her to continue above ground activism activism and he was going to go off the grid he had attempted contacts or contacts with a whole bunch of different white power groups including the there's an patriots the National Alliance which by the way is headed by the Manyara Trinidad areas in the separate arm hound L. City which is sheltered whole whole bunch of people on the Lam who were members of the order in other our terrorist groups that were organized in leaderless style. He chose the date eight of the bombing on the anniversary of the radio siege. That's pretty well known but also on the execution date of a prominent power activists who had once targeted that same building in Oklahoma City he wants lived with somebody in Michigan who knew the Murrah building so well he could draw it from memory are- this building had been in the crosshairs of this movement since nineteen eighty three. This is all a lot. This is a lot of evidence that he is deeply connected into the other piece. I recall that he was quite a devotee of the Turner diaries which you mentioned as being common organizing manifesto yeah yeah and not just the Davis he he sold it on the gun show circuit I mean he read about the the actions of the order we know that because he sold the library book copying of Popular Regular History about that group and instructed his people in his life to read it so we can you about this movement. We don't even contact we know he was interested. He with following a movement strategy wrote a sister in that letter sunny whistling underground and we're him to follow the strategy of leaderless resistance fully the full combination of that strategy would be not to take anybody else down with so read through the history of the movement ethic. There's persuasive evidence that he was is deeply involved in this now if you're McVeigh and you believe in the strategy and you believe in a Turner Diaries model violence which is that the bombing awning itself is not the goal the goal is to bring people into the movement right if you are him and you think the most effective way to do that is by talking about a state which was by the way vary acted there was a big upsurge of Alicia groups after the Oklahoma City bombing then I I mean I think he was making a strategic choice talk about about his belief system but that's not separate in this Luton from all the rest of it so let's say another word or two about the Turner diaries because if I recall he actually the bombing itself the Oklahoma City bombing was reminiscent of a bombing described in the book the whole fertilizer bomb strategy was depicted in the book yes in the book. I believe they're bombing the FBI Central Headquarters the book was written in the late nineteen seventies Sosas before computers of the revolutionaries in the book out to destroy the FBI records so that the F. B. I. Cancer Builder Activities been same kind of bomb and lake McVeigh's his action. There are white victims in the book and there is a pretty long section on kind of the death of one beautiful white women and how Turner the protagonist of the book learns that Air have to like he has to be prepared for collateral damage. If you want to create white revolution so the book I should just say it's an eighty S. I was in the long eighties Utopian novel in I should say to buy Utopian. I mean for them not for me. It lays out is imprisoned itself as a artifact of a world for this flight revolution has already happened so we'll go out to the Turner diaries spoilers intelligence things up and it's not really spoiler. This is not a pleasant read. I don't encourage people to read the diaries as for literary experience of the day but the the novel ends when Turner is sent on a suicide mission to fly a nuclear weapon into the Pentagon gone on an airplane which actually you know now has such strong resonance is nine eleven but of course this is for all that the postscript descript of the novel I sort of lays out all of the changes that have happened after the successful revolution and they're also textual insertions footnotes to explain clean things obsolete for instance they have to explain to the reader Western medicine is because in this new world there is no such things so be the most greatly out after Turner's nuclear bombing of the Pentagon in a whole bunch of other nuclear warfare what it describes his way that white revolutionaries as are able to provoke a US Soviet missile exchange and Israel at in in the aftermath they're able to seize power and then and carry out a mass genocide of all non white people the world over signed it for class in the university bookstore automatically medically ordered the book because they have I wrote a letter I think he'd be for ensuring the future white children so getting. Let's check out a library as we we support breaking the Copyright of Nazis everywhere okay so just to summarize here we so we the Oklahoma City bombing was widely understood and we think rightly as the ultimate act thus far of of white supremacist terror and it exemplifies this this leaderless resistance structure sure where the you know the the movement is insulated against any really effective investigation because the movement is is not even acknowledged to who exist on some level and so you know you as a social scientist notice that we basically forget that we even have a white supremacy problem him for quite some time and many people seem to have forgotten about it. You know all the way up until Charlottesville essentially they were we. We have some hundred guys with tiki torches reminding us that there's a fairly energetic strand of racism and anti-semitism still alive in this country and trump seems to have given comfort if not an actual voice to this movement so just let's just jump chump forward into the present. What do you think the state of the movement is now so I I do WanNa keep saying wait power or white nationalist rather than white supremacist okay the premacy as a category gets us into a whole legend misunderstanding just for clarity sacred? Just reiterate why you think that's it's a problem. What's the door misunderstanding? You're trying to close to talk about like the the largest violence of white supremacy we have to think about I dunno automic weapons warfare genocide displacements and things like this. This is a different thing I want to say is I'm talking about the fringe movement of of what we've talked about is the far right array nationalism and white together but white power activism information four which is to say anti government white extremist violence although I guess that differentiation will indicate an area where we may disagree or certainly an area of my concern because this does connect back to the the potential on falsify ability of of the leaderless airless resistance framing. I mean so the the issue. I think you know I've confronted personally and I. I've just noticed he in general now I don't know wh at at what point is started but there's there's a possibility of a moral panic around things like white supremacy and racism generally and and then the you know our our our Nazi detectors can become poorly calibrated and this has happened for instance over at the the southern poverty law center which used to be the flagship organization that would tell us you know who's a Nazi and who isn't but now basically they they seemed to have run out of Nazis Nazis and they find Nazis everywhere and you know they they have put me on their hate. Watch page for merely having Charles Murray on this podcast and they famously or in now infamously put my friend module now was on a list of anti Muslim extremists when in fact he's a Muslim reformer armor and they they had to pay him over three million dollars for that gaff they've kind of gone nuts over there and and there are many examples of this I mean they're they're you know beyond around the southern poverty law center but it's it is the most extreme case of this kind of thing happening is and this is this is actually contemporaneous with some of the history we've been talking about we had that satanic panic episode in in the US where for many many new cycles I mean some years we had people telling us and getting on television telling us just what a problem we had with satanic cults and ritual abuse and even child sacrifice and you know I'm not sure where the scholarship is on Matt now. I'm sure there fifteen people in the woods somewhere practising satanism but it seems to be that that we really never had a satanic anik cult problem in this country so I just don't I just want to flag it that there's this. There's a general concern here around just making sure we are clear about you. Know who's a Nazi who's just an a normal racist and who's just someone who made an off color joke and you know now is getting canceled insult on twitter for it yeah and I think that we're in very complex moment. That's going to take a lot of people's good faith efforts to unravel but I guess the first thing I would say is that the question of the relative importance of the SPIC and other watchdogs is the very historically informed question that leads us back to the bigger problem of the white supremacy at sort of not a matter of individual belief we can be enlightened as we can be and still have white supremacy in our systems in our country and by that I need the reason that these watchdogs were so important the period that I work with is because the government wasn't really surveilling as much as it could have been because if we go back to the history of CO Intel pro which is the FBI counterintelligence project scholars discovering that you know this is this is the period the FBI was doing some really dirty filtration using a shots provocateur all kinds of incentives traits that were eventually shuttered because they were so unethical illegal but even in that period when when the FBI had basically hurt Blanche to try to disrupt groups on the fringe it put enormously more resources in time and Manpower Ridge trained to disrupt the left in especially scholar of people on the left then people on the right so as frustrating as the clan got I- FBI infiltration in in that period they weren't getting killed the way that same black panthers were in these sort of FBI actions so that unequal distribution of resources. It's a systemic problem that has nothing to do. Well that is distinct from interpersonal animists or racism that systemic problem is what we have to reckon with if we want to solve this within our society so the reason the washouts were important the reason as galaxy was so important is because of the failure of other systems because of white supremacy similarly the FBI civil suits which were some of the most affected stocks by power organizing in the nineteen the eighties like the the Seo sees sued the clan over creating a paramilitary army that harassment is refugees Texas This dude a plan group that lynched a young black man in Alabama they got consent decrees limited by our activists from publishing hate materials organising those things were really affected and the reason they were written in history is because the criminal trials were failing all over the place place and the reason we can get any criminal for knits is because we had things like peremptory challenges that let people dismiss all juries of all jurors color with Macaws so we have to think about the you know. The central role of watchdogs is there because we didn't have adequate policing adequate surveillance in adequate justice system response to this final from the beginning now. I I am a historian another pundit. I'm not an expert on the recent activities of BS Kelsey. I have worked in their archive will disclose to you but I you know I I work in the earlier period. I will say that watchdog groups have a different set of interests then you know a public observer age journalist a lawyer eight Halsey maker but all of these groups need to be involved in addressing this problem he I mean there's an incentive problem at the spic in particular because they they raise money based on remaining in a perpetual state of alarm about how bad this problem is. I mean that's just this problem. We in with philanthropy in general images wants your if your problem ever gets better than it's it's hard to to meet your budget and so they've become a so obviously mercenary and I mean they've they've now really kind of immolated themselves in a variety of ways I mean they're they're so woke over there that they published pieces telling us that Cinco de Mayo is just an an unconscionable act of cultural appropriation but apparently they're not woke enough to escape escape their own charges of of racism internally and sexual harassment and more Steve the founder just had to step down as you probably know so I mean there are just a mess over there. I mean I I totally grant you that historically there lawsuits against the clan and other white supremacist organizations were fantastic and that's of course you want want to sue the clan into the ground and and the fact that the government isn't on the case you know the great that the SBC could step in yes and all of the rest of I don't want to comment on the recent. I don't know enough to this is outside of area but I think it would be a real tragedy Ajeti to let all of the organizational problems that you've just mentioned distract from the very real growing violent threat we face and I mean it's not just the as Kelsey sounding the alarm right now. I think you can look at other groups including the ideal. Oh Oh maiden name maybe we can. We'll get up and combating recorded. Did he remains although I mean I just gotTa say it is a a more diffuse problem. I just had another organization life. After hate that was started by Christian pitchy leaney a former Neo Nazi skinhead who's now now swung all the way to the left and is a you know a D. Programmer of Neo Nazi skinheads and that's you know that's a fantastic character arc and I would love to support that and so loving to support that had him on the podcast to talk about the problem of white supremacy but you know unfortunately on that podcast he he said a few things that were just frankly untrue and defamatory about some people and when I afterwards fact check those things and got some lawyer letter from one person and and it was just it was clear that Christian was wrong about this person and so when I asked Christian to give me evidence to back up his claim and he couldn't provide it I said listen I just have to add the podcast so that you don't you're not disparaging him on that point until the end of the world and then Christian against the this just to I don't know if you know Christian but I mean he's someone who in the immediate aftermath of shooting like this will be given a special on MSNBC you see or he'll be interviewed in the Atlantic. I mean he has a real profile and Gravitas as a former member of these organizations because I edited him just us to spare myself a lawsuit and to actually just be impeccable with respect to the the kinds of defamatory things one says about won't even ones ideological enemies. He now is going around calling me a white supremacist so there's a kind there's a kind of hysteria in the air around on this and a lack of precision which I think we have to overcome. I mean there's there's no question that white power white supremacy white nationalism racism more generally no question these problems and whether they are waxing or waning dangerous you know I want to know is as much as anyone but the problem album is currently some some of the most high profile people in the space are fairly wacky and unscrupulous and how they make charges urges about this and this is confounded by this additional problem of you who were now confronted by a new generation of you know sorry to go. Oh in the direction of psychopathology but of lunatics in the troll culture were seen on websites like four Chan eight Chen where you have a circulation nation of these awful memes and you know kind of general moral nihilism which is often using white supremacy embassy as its text and then it becomes genuinely difficult to understand who's really a white supremacist or a racist and who is just trafficking gain in Holocaust imagery or black white racism imagery just to shock people and just to get laughs. People are spreading conspiracy theories that they they might not even believe in just to see the normies like me freak out on their podcasts so the trolling behavior is a very specific thing which I which seems like it's actually getting elevated to specific instances of murder where it's not words is not clear that some of these manifestos are actually what they appear to be at first glance so I just I realize I've just dumped a lot on you but I mean as someone who's trying to make sense of this in public in real time I am concerned that we're at least on certain points in danger of committing the sins of those journalists and other there talking heads who who spoke endlessly about you know the mcmartin Preschool for instance or or you know the other examples of satanic panic that just evaporated share that was a great inhalation. Kathleen have to have to start. I don't think the Santa Cruz slowed is a good comparison. I hope not I'm just saying that's how how crazy we've been in the past the Topspin you're getting from me. Is I mean the NFL see is even as of last week the GO-TO Institution for the New York Times or The Washington Post to find out who's WHO and I know they've completely lost their minds because I'm on their hate. Watch page right or let me ask you this It sounds like what you're hoping for is a sense of whether this is a large stretch in whether it is getting bigger or smaller. Is that right. Yes I would love to know that I would love to know that too and my better that the SPIC also reluctant that although as a whatever you think about it the reality is I don't know that anybody knows and the reason is that we've had such an equal distribution of resources to monitor and track domestic terror that I don't think we have much of any and yet I am a historian and I try to be really careful about seeing about the president because of the many pitfalls some some of you've just outlined in sort of making promises about things that are near term but I think I think what the archive can teach us is that we have not had a problem of overestimating this issue we have had a ongoing problem of underestimating the threat and the way that we know that is that we have huge acts of violence that happened over and over and over again and we have not seen changes in policy and understanding that would keep people safe from yeah luggage. I guess it's I mean we have to define what would huge judge. Is I mean there are minted. Take Oklahoma City as the worst case thus far right so you know one hundred sixty eight people died that was absolutely absolutely awful and if it happened again tomorrow you know we would be talking about nothing else for quite some time and you know I'm the first person to admit that body count it is not the only way or or even best way to evaluate how big a problem this is because you know not all deaths are equivalent right. I think the what happens to our society on the basis of a few school shootings or an event like Oklahoma City the fear that that gets spread and our response response under the shadow of that fear is far more arranging of society for for many more years than than a huge hurricane would be that might kill the same number of people. The hurricane comes in kills a bunch of people you know we read and then we clean up but they're knock on effects the way there are with with an in an instance of ideological criminality of the sort. We're talking about so it's it's hard to know what counts as an enormous S. problem. When something that kills you know merely a dozen people in especially horrible way can be far more alarming you mean than a problem that is orders of magnitude more in terms of body count share? I think whether the you're saying that will maybe I in the question. Perhaps you know so what do you do if someone comes back to you saying well. You're you're talking about. This is an enormous problem but the the reality is is that white supremacists have killed on the order of thirty to fifty people a year for as long as you've been worrying about this you know Oklahoma the city aside and even that is not much of an uptick so this is a you know we're talking about people drowning and bathtubs people getting struck by lightning on golf courses. Not a lot of people are dying. So why is it such a big problem well. There's a lot of answers to that. One is that terroristic terroristic death as you say has an impact that is much larger than sort of an accident or fatality that happens in a more mundane way. These actions are mid to do more than simply kill the person they kill their actions that are meant to inspire terror and possibly working starting that given our political to climate they are violent acts actions that are meant to awaken other people to the movement so you know McVeigh's picture sure is hung up in the rooms of people who are carrying out violent attacks today that worked in these these these shootings I have a very profound impact on American society and in thinking beyond but what about the ways that we now live in an age defined by the fear of mass attack they think of the poetry Kathy fish always think about this but the the way that any we have people now who have survived it's to mass shootings after the Vegas shooting and the reunion sprays I come from I I am from this little district in Colorado where the columbine shooting happened in that was while I was in high school the idea that it would become so pedestrian that we we now live in an age where they don't even trend on twitter is both mind boggling and not entirely unexpected given the you of these events but we have to think about the impact of our society in a way as bigger than as you just stay body body counts. There's a lot you know this is a historians answer but there's actually a lot we can learn from history of wrenching in this regard because the the Comparative Body Count of Lynching People people in the long time trying to count and trying to tally and trying to figure out what happened where exactly what moment mint but it turns out that the impact of lynching stretched are beyond the communities for an occurred so one person's death would have a terroristic in fact all over the place through photographs through recordings and sound through personal word of mouth and thinking about these long histories of violence the way that they ask people what's really important yeah. No I totally agree and it was by it's just again. It's hard to quantify these these things and we we sort of have to at least intuitively when we decide how to marshal our resources and just how much time attention and money should the US government spend on the problem of white supremacy. What are the most grandiose aspirations in some of these groups currently and how bad could this get in the age of trump because I think many of us feel that even if we haven't I've been so focused on the fringe or the fringe of the fringe we sense at the fringe has has intruded far closer closer to the mainstream and there's more of a sense that something like civil war could be possible? It's not civil war just a lot of violence that would be uncharacteristic of our society and Maeve imagine what it would take to really really try to ban assault weapons right. What what's that GONNA look like if we go to try to get the assault weapons from the the people whom gun ownership is their religion what what percentage of those people are are animated by the kinds of ideologies? We've been talking about we. We have a sense that the society is deeply fragmented along long lines that at first approximation do break along you know the politics of extreme left and extreme right. You know it's really interesting. I used to have a section in the book that addressed exactly this question of why is it so important to understand the French and at some point my book you you know was considered by editor to be in the mainstream and she said this is self evident. were striking this action anymore because secure that this is now central to our society that happened within just seniors and writing and publishing dissertation on very kind of public about face ace. I will say this during the time the time that I studied so the late nineteen seventies to nineteen ninety-five has there's a lot in common with the present moment including through lines connecting that generation of activist Lucy now including similar kinds of violence chosen and prepare for you know there are in the present attempts to steal nuclear weapons. There is in the present military training there is attempts to get all kinds of armament and then there is of course the use of social networking in computers that was pioneered in the early eighties that of course is that a level of sagacious now that is certainly accelerated. I think the thing that is different about the current moment that is concerning is bat. The activists is studied saw almost no hope of using mainstream politics to do what they wanted to do. They ride. They wrote a lot about so you know we have time for the ballot is over. It's time for the bullet in they turn violent during the Reagan administration when arguably they have a lot to gain the state and and when the state was actually anti-statist itself in Battery Peculiar Reaganite way but the idea that groups now could figure out how to take this into mainstream politics in effective way I think is very different. and I think we're starting to see that succeed in different places around the world this this is a transnational movement now in a way that it was only aspiring to be in the nineteen nineties and I think all of that you know makes me quite concerned. I think one of the reasons that it's important to pay attention to mass violence is that the way that people typically understand mass violence in their own community is through the lens of the impacted population and this is a perfectly invalid and very human response rate so we get stories about the impacted group we get stories about the tree of life shooting as being about Anti Semitism and Hell Paso as being about Anti Immigration and Christ's church is being about anti Muslim such right and those acts are those things they're also connected with one another through this very clear political ideology shared by a set of perpetrators who often leave they are are together acting towards common end and I think that one hopeful thing that I find that is there is a potential to connect those communities together together in sort of a coalition of impacted people that could better understand how we might respond to the threat. I mean I you don't think history doesn't caution us about hysteria. History cautions us about non-response so if you could implement any policy at this point what would you do because I got. I guess mention -ticipant that you think that the the government has been too lax in paying attention to this problem and should be more intrusive but the problem there is that government intrusion is what is so energizing amid. It's the primary concern of people in this group and this is why people are stockpiling weapons and they're concerned about surveillance and all the rest missed the loss of freedom that most concerned mcvay and so you sort of run into the problem of what happens when you begin to confirm the conspiracy thinking of the most conspiracy adult conspiracy theorist. It's like the branch Davidians videon were stockpiling weapons because they were sure that at some point the government was gonna come in and victimize them and they were stockpiling so many weapons so doug garishly that the government finally noticed and decided to come in and figure out what the hell was going on and wound up killing him. There is a self fulfilling component to this. What would a response to this problem? Look like I think Brennan that the issue is also anyone who's concerned about paramilitary culture is reluctant to prescribe prescribe further use of paramilitarism as a solution because as you say creates problems in all other areas American Life I say late we think about solutions and I should just bracket all of this by saying I as I said I'm a historian not a policymaker. I think what the archive can show us is that there are real dangers to letting the skull and addressed and that the problems that we might suffer to fix our are went a scholar recalled Transkei Taylor and that's just a fancy word for being there there at every level of experience so we're talking about not not just you know a whole bunch of individual prejudice not just a problem at the police officers not just there is no juror education not just there is a policy the issue at the FBI level or insufficient surveillance not just the way the law's written is all together so I mean what we he is really a a set of changes in how people understand what this is and how how we proceed from there is everything from journalistic approach to public discourse to thinking about how we could better use resources you know when I say resources I think people often assume just surveillance. That's a resource. There's a lot of different kinds of resources though and we have some really captivating accounts from people leg Tehrik Black who left the movement about how people can exit about how people can reach out in their community about what other kinds of community might be sustaining about different kinds of social resources that could be extended to these groups. I think there's all kinds of ways to think about it. Any any winding may be interesting to go back to the example that op end of this project to begin with the Truth Reconciliation Commission. Those guys didn't come have to come testify at all this this commission was an NGO. It wasn't part of any government entity. It didn't have any subpoena power than have any you know criminal penalty penalty our but people want to comment talk about our lives new beliefs people wanna tell their stories and there is you know enormous potential in in that our country our communities our towns our schools. We can't do that work of facing each other talking to each other and I think that there is hoping it can you just clarify what a truth and Reconciliation Commission is. Oh shut so attrition. Reconciliation Commission is a model okay restorative justice which is to say a wave for people to come together around an event of injustice or violence in their community to try to talk through what happened happened and to try to figure out some solutions that help people feel that their experience has been addressed so the famous example is in post-apartheid in Africa. There was a series of government mandated tricks. Reconciliation Commission's tried to do the work of witnessing the violence that had happened in trying trying to think about how communities and the country could move past it. I think they're both have been. TRC's I'm familiar with Lennon Guatemala other some in other countries Rwanda Wanda never largely in the United States despite our long history of racial injustice will they seem to correct me from I'm wrong but I associate them with circumstances where the prosecution of offenders and there were so many offenders right there. There's been such a massive moral moral turnover that the problem is is too big to address by normal criminal prosecution so like in Rwanda you know so many people will grabbed a machete and killed their neighbors that you just can't you couldn't possibly prosecute all these people so you have sort of hit a kind of reset of the broken society and this is this is one method of doing that exactly so this one was organized by after this in the community and people can read more about this in the book if you like it's a full chapter or encourage you to go look up the proceedings of the TRC which are really interesting enough themselves but but it's a it was an NGO driven Reconciliation Commission that you know impaneled itself. I'll witnesses looked for testimony did archival work and then create an report about what had happened at the shooting or why the criminal trials that never brought to justice remind us what happened in Greensboro so the Greensboro event in nineteen seventy nine was a coordinated shooting by Neo Nazi in clan gunman who had come together under the moniker the United Ed Racist Front and set out to attack an anti Klan demonstration held by the Communist Workers Party and other leftist activists in Greensboro Zero Day killed five people injured several more hand. The four of the men killed were why aches and in one African American woman was killed will the gunmen were recorded. There were three news cameras on scene. This whole was recorded from several different angles. You can see faces you can see who's shooting at that time but the state in criminal trials excuse me state and federal criminal trial acquitted all the gunman on self-defense charges I on a civil rights technicality second and be there was a subsequent civil trial that found wrongful only only one of the deaths and the only one deemed wrongful was the one person that was not hard carrying communist at the time of his death so it's an gym where the community felt wronged in all kinds of different ways and the process is designed to sort of sort through culpability and and figure out if there was suggesting that could be found even use years later so so the need for a trc there just was born of the fact that once this criminal proceeding had run you. Couldn't you have a double jeopardy problem. You can't prosecute these people again right. That's right ended. There was things you know. We talked a little bit about the relationship between body count of the larger ramifications of violence from an event but there's all kinds of things that aren't addressed in a criminal criminal trial for instance. The shooting happened in a black housing projects that felt that they had neither held the plan a demonstration nor we know responded to it with violence but they found themselves in the crosshairs of this event and you know people haven't really apologized for this. Even though there were curfews implemented their lives for altered all of the shapes the way community works than forums relationships over a over the long sort of history in the event near well. Thank you Cathlene for bringing this on the on the podcast has been an education and if people want to know more about your work in in an ongoing way I'm in the put the book again is bring the war home but where can people find out more about you and follow on twitter and all the rest of us they give us the relevant websites listen. I'm I have a professional website at Kathleen Balu Dot Com and I think may twitter is just Kathleen underscore balloon but if you search uneven happy eater there's been great. Thanks again and someday. I'll have you back when this is no longer a problem. We'll talk about how we live in a colorblind society diet and can you imagine that anyone was ever organized around different ideas days soon. Thank you very much happy okay well. That was interesting. That felt useful. I'm not sure how that changed my view of the problem problem apart from certainly educating me about how incompetent the US government has been paying attention and to the problem. It is fairly astonishing. How inept we've been as you may have noticed? I couldn't quite hold myself to the distinction between white power our white supremacy that she was making part of it is I think of white supremacy as the ideology and white power as the the movement she was making a different distinction and a fairly woke one and I didn't want to get into that clearly for her white supremacy includes more or less every form of structural racism and really every misdeed that can be levelled at the conscience of the West right and she was anti nuclear weapons and colonialism and the missteps of capitalism as it it was everything I don't think very useful way to use that phrase but I didn't want to get into it as long as clear about what we're talking about. That's all that mattered for the purpose of this conversation and here we were talking about white power but I was occasionally calling white supremacy and violating her use of the terms because I just couldn't keep the term straight anyway. I found that very interesting. She was very patient with me. Wind gene about being called a white supremacist the premises again and again. Thank you for that Kathleen as you could hear I am fairly circumspect in my disinclination listen to join a moral panic and I really do feel that we are in an age where moral panics are amplified but I'm convinced against this is a problem worth checking in on at regular intervals Michigan Have Barry Weiss on the podcast soon she has a book on anti-semitism which obviously connects here and I think the next year of American politics will beat these same bushes relentlessly and and we will hear more about American extremism of the far-right in the far left and perhaps of a sort that his as yet unimagined engined and with that I will leave you to it until next time. If you find this podcast valuable there are many ways you can support it. 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NEJM This Week  June 20, 2019

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28:48 min | 2 years ago

NEJM This Week June 20, 2019

"Welcome. This is the New England Journal of medicine. I'm Dr Lisa Johnson this week June twentieth. Twenty nineteen we've feature articles on clinical risk and therapy for breast cancer, BT k inhibition in multiple sclerosis cardiovascular MRI versus f f are in coronary artery disease, dual anti hypertensive therapies in black Africans and lethal strategies against tumor cells review articles on the non opioid treatment of pain and on heatstroke a case report of a woman with domino. Pain and fever and perspective articles on miss recognition and critical consciousness on collateral benefits of preventive chemotherapy and on whether the genome has granted our wish yet, clinical and genomic risk to guide, the use of agile in therapy for breast cancer by Joseph Sporanos from the Albert Einstein college of medicine. Bronx new. York. This prospective trial involved, nine thousand four hundred twenty seven women with hormone receptor positive her two negative accelerator node negative breast cancer in whom an essay of twenty one genes had been performed and classified, the clinical risk of recurrence of breast cancer as low or high on the basis of the tumor size and history logic grade, the level of clinical risk was prognostic of distant recurrence in women with an intermediate twenty one gene recurrence score of eleven to twenty five on a scale of zero to one hundred with higher scores indicating a worse prognosis, who were randomly assigned to endocrine therapy hazard ratio for the comparison of high versus low clinical risk two point seven three or two chemo, endocrine therapy hazard ratio. Two point four one and in women with a high recurrence score a score of twenty six to one hundred all of whom were as. Signed to chemo endocrine therapy hazard ratio. Three point one seven among women who were fifty years of age or younger, who had received endocrine therapy alone. The estimated rate of distant recurrence at nine years was less than five percent with a low recurrence score. A score of zero to ten irrespective of clinical risk and four point seven percent with an intermediate recurrence score and low clinical risk in this age group. The estimated distant recurrence at nine years exceeded. Ten percent among women with a high clinical risk, and an intermediate recurrence score who received endocrine therapy, alone twelve point three percent, and among those with a high recurrence score who received KIMO Andrew Cohen therapy. Fifteen point two percent clinical risk stratification provided prognostic information that when added to the twenty one gene recurrence score could be used to identify pre-menopausal. Women who could benefit from more effective therapy, David hunter from the university of Oxford United kingdom writes in an editorial that in twenty eighteen the journal published the results of Taylor ex this trial by Sporanos and colleagues showed the non inferiority of endocrine therapy to chemo, endocrine therapy with respect to invasive disease free survival among women with hormone receptor positive her two negative accelerator node negative breast cancer, who had a recurrence score based on a twenty one gene assay of eleven to twenty five less than a year later. We are publishing additional results from the same data set showing that adding clinical risk that is tumor size, and history logic grade provides additional prognostic information, the author suggests that determination of high clinical risk could be used to identify women who may benefit from more effective, anti estrogen therapy. Speranza and colleagues found that hazard ratios for distant recurrence among women in the high clinical risk category based on tumor size and history, logic grade, or approximately two point five to three times, higher than those among women with low clinical risk, regardless of whether they received endocrine therapy alone, or chemo, endocrine therapy, thus the established clinical predictors of recurrence risk convey, prognostic, information and should be incorporated into assessment of this risk rather than relying solely on the twenty one gene recurrence score. The presentation of additional analyses from important data sets will remain a fundamental component of evidence synthesis distinguishing between results that warrant a change in practice, and those that do not will not be a precise process medicine in the molecular era will be no more precise than in prior eras evidence, synthesis clinical judge. And patient preferences all factor in although regulatory bodies, such as the food and Drug administration may continue to insist on statistically significant results from randomized trials in licensing decisions communicating information from trials beyond pre specified in primary objectives remains important and you dish issues of these data should continue to inform clinical practice. Placebo control trial of an oral. B T, K inhibitor, in multiple sclerosis by Xavier Montalban from vita run university hospital Barcelona Spain Bruton's tyrosine. Kinase Btk K regulates the functions of be cells. And Maya Lloyd cells that are implicated in the pathogenesis of multiple sclerosis. Yvo Bruton, Abe is a selective oral BT T inhibitor that has been shown to inhibit B-cell activation, both in vitro, and in vivo in this phase, two trial two hundred sixty seven patients with relapsing multiple sclerosis were assigned to one of five groups, placebo, Yvo, Bruton nib at a dose of twenty five milligrams once-daily seventy five milligrams once-daily, or seventy five milligrams twice daily or open label Di methyl fume rate. D M F as a reference. The mean total number of gadolinium enhancing lesions during weeks, twelve through twenty four was three point eight five in the placebo group, four point zero six in the ego, Bruce nib twenty five milligram group, one point six nine in the Eva brute, nib, seventy five milligram, once-daily group, one point one five in the Yvo Bruton seventy five milligram twice-daily group and four point seven eight. In the D. M F group, the unadjusted annualized relapse rate at week, twenty four was zero point three seven in the placebo group zero point five seven in the evil. Brute nip. Twenty five milligram group Ciro point one three in the seventy five milligram once-daily group zero point zero eight in the seventy five milligram, twice-daily group and zero point two in the D M F group. There was no significant effect of trial group on the change from baseline in the expanded disability status. Scale score elevations in liver aminotransferase levels were observed with Yvo brute nip patients with relapsed, multiple sclerosis who received seventy five milligrams of Yvo, Bruton, ab-, once-daily had significantly fewer enhancing lesions during weeks, twelve through twenty four. Then those who received placebo, there was no significant difference with placebo for either the twenty five milligram once-daily or seventy five milligram twice daily dose of ego brute, nip nor in the annualized relapse rate, or disability progression at any dose, longer and larger trials are required to determine the effect and risks of ego. Brute nib in patients with multiple sclerosis magnetic resonance perfusion, or fractional flow reserve in coronary disease by IKEA Nago from good to university Frankfurt data mine, Germany, in patients with stable angina. Two strategies are often used to guide revalorisation, one involves myocardial, perfusion cardiovascular MRI, and the other involves invasive and geography and measurement of fractional flow. Reserve f f are whether a cardiovascular MRI bay strategy is non inferior to an F F R bay strategy with respect to major adverse, cardiac events has not been established in this trial. Nine hundred eighteen patients with typical engine and risk factors. For coronary artery disease were randomly assigned to a cardiovascular MRI bay strategy or an F F R bay strategy, forty point five percent of patients in the cardiovascular MRI group and forty five point nine percent in the F F R group met criteria to recommend revalorisation, fewer patients in the cardiovascular M R I group. Then in the F F. Our group underwent index colorization, thirty five point seven percent versus forty five percent, the primary outcome of death. Nonfatal myocardial infarction, or target vessel. Rebus killer is aviation within one year occurred in three point six percent of patients in the cardiovascular MRI group and three point seven percent of patients in the F F, R group findings that met the non inferiority threshold, the percentage of patients free from angina at twelve months did not differ significantly between the two groups forty nine point two percent in the cardiovascular MRI group and forty three point eight percent in the F F, R group among patients with stable angina and risk factors. For coronary artery disease, myocardial, perfusion, cardiovascular MRI was associated with a lower incidence of coronary revalorisation than f f r and was non inferior to. The F F R with respect to major adverse cardiac events. Comparison of dual therapies for lowering blood pressure in black Africans by decay. OG from the university of a Buddha, Guagua Lada a Booja Nigeria, the prevalence of hypertension among black African patients is high. And these patients usually need two or more medications for blood pressure control. However, the most effective two drug combination has not been established in this trial conducted in six countries in sub Saharan Africa, seven hundred twenty eight black patients with uncontrolled hypertension were randomly assigned to receive a daily regimen of 'em. Loping plus hydrochlorothiazide 'em load loping, plus perr, injure pill or perennial pro plus hydrochlorothiazide for two months among the six hundred twenty one patients who underwent twenty four hour blood pressure monitoring at baseline and at six. Month's those receiving 'em loaded paint, plus hydrochlorothiazide and those receiving 'em Loda pain. Plus parade repeal had a lower twenty four hour ambulatory systolic blood pressure than those receiving her Indra pro plus hydrochlorothiazide between group difference in the change from baseline, minus three point one four millimeters mercury and minus three millimeters mercury respectively. The difference between the group receiving 'em Loda pain, plus hydrochlorothiazide and the group receiving 'em loaded pain. Plus Porenta Pearl was minus zero point one four millimeters mercury these findings suggest that in black patients in sub Saharan Africa 'em load a pain, plus either hydrochlorothiazide or parental. Brill was more effective than parental. Pro plus hydrochlorothiazide at lowering blood pressure at six months. Non narcotic methods of pain management, a review. Article by non-offensive ap- from all who's university Denmark pain is an unpleasant, sensory, and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage, or is described in terms of such damage when there is no physical derangement, the function of pain is to protect the body by making the organism aware of damaging events, and to promote healing by causing sensitivity to movement or other stimuli. That may delay recovery. However, pain is not always related to tissue damage and does not always serve a protective function. This is the case with neuropathic pain, which is caused by a lesion or disease of the somato sensory parts of the nervous system, and with some other chronic pain conditions, such as fibromyalgia and migraine acute, and chronic pain, may cause suffering and interfere with daily life factors that. Influence the choice of treatment narcotic treatment of pain can lead to addiction dependence and tolerance. The international association for the study of pain recommends caution in prescribing opioids for chronic pain, and there has been an increased emphasis on the use of non opioid pain management. The choice of treatment for pain depends on many factors and the heterogeneity and large number of cute and chronic pain conditions preclude, a general treatment algorithm. The roles of end saids antidepressants and electric, drugs, local agents and complementary therapies are summarized in this review. Heatstroke a review article by Uram Epstein from the Sheba, medical center, Tel Aviv, Israel heat, stroke is the most hazardous condition in a spectrum of illnesses, progressing from heat exhaustion to heat stroke in which shared finding is hyperthermic, that is the rise in core body temperature when he accumulation overrides heat dissipation during exercise or exposure to environmental heat stress, clinically heatstroke is characterized by central nervous system. Dysfunction, multi organ failure, and extreme hyperthermia usually greater than forty point five degrees. Celsius classic heat stroke is due to exposure to environmental heat and poor heat. Dissipation mechanisms whereas exertions heatstroke is associated with physical exercise and results when excessive production of metabolic heat. Overwhelms physiologic. Michael heat, loss, mechanisms the primary pathogenic mechanism of heat stroke involves transition from a compensable Thermo regulatory phase in which he loss exceeds heat gain to a non compensable phase in which he gained is greater than heat loss. When cardiac output is insufficient to cope with the high thermal regulatory needs. Consequently core body temperature continues to rise leading to a direct cytotoxic effect and an inflammatory response, creating a vicious cycle, and eventually causing multi organ failure rapid and effective cooling is the cornerstone of treatment and should be delayed only for essential, cardiopulmonary resuscitation, this review summarizes current knowledge about heatstroke, which is often misinterpreted or overlooked focusing on its relevance for medical practitioners. A thirty eight year old woman with a domino pain and fever. A case record of the Massachusetts General Hospital by mid Khalili and colleagues a thirty eight year old woman with a history of Crohn's disease was admitted to the hospital because of domino. Pain and fever seven months earlier, the patient was evaluated in gastroenterology clinic for post-prandial bloating, and epi, gastric pain, the patient had moved to the United States from India thirteen years before presentation, an interferon gamma release essay for 'em. Tuberculosis was negative gastric biopsy specimens showed evidence of helix. B-actor pylori gastritis colonoscopy was notable for era themm. It is. Granular. Hemorrhagic ulcerated mucosal in the proximal a sending colon and seek them. The H pylori guests rightous was treated with near resolution of the bloating, and up. Arab domino. Pain four months, later, bloating, and epi, gastric pain, recurred, stools, contained blood and mucus and bowel movements increased in frequency to three or four times per day. Nausea and vomiting developed a domino pain worsened and the patient was admitted to the hospital. The patient was treated with adalina, MAB, inflicts, MAB and glucocorticoid therapy during the last week of the prednisone, course fever and dia for rhesus developed and ab- domino, pain, worsened, intestinal, to Burke, yellow sus can mimic Crohn's disease and present a challenging diagnostic dilemma, intestinal Turkey losses. Most commonly involves the right side of the colon. Particularly the seek them presenting symptoms vary and can include ab- domino pain, constipation, diarrhea, and partial small bowel obstruction. A crisper way to identify cancer targets a clinical implications of basic research article by William Hahn from Dana Farber Cancer Institute, Boston, the premise of precision cancer medicine is elegantly simple. The basic concept involves the analysis molecular end otherwise of a tumor to identify key attributes that allow for the selection of therapeutic agents with a high likelihood of killing that particular tumor while minimizing side effects this approach not only matches specific tumors to treatments, but also spares patients from being exposed to agents that are unlikely to provide benefit despite some clear, successes, only a minority of patients currently benefit from tumor molecular. Profiling in addition to limitations in access to molecular testing for many patients, two major challenges stand in the way. Of using molecular features to select effective. Therapies for most patients specifically for most tumors sequencing fails to identify a mutant oncogene that can be targeted and in many cases, we lack active therapeutic agents for even highly validated. Oncogenes recent work by two groups shows that systematic functional engine nomadic interrogation of cancer. Cell lines provides a powerful path to finding new experimental targets in cancer. The two sets of investigators inactivated one at a time about eighteen thousand genes in hundreds of cancer cell lines. They thereby identified specific genes that certain classes of cancer need to survive these genes or the proteins encoded by them are now candidate targets for drug development. Miss recognition and critical consciousness an eighteen month old boy with pneumonia and chronic malnutrition of perspective article by hick darker Osco from the Harvard, t h Chan school of public health, Boston an eighteen month old boy in LA Soledad Mexico, presented with pneumonia. Antibiotic treatment cured the pneumonia. But Dr are remained concerned such cases were far too common in Las only Dodd recognizing that his patient had been predisposed to pneumonia by malnutrition. Dr are began conversations with community members seeking ways to improve the nutritional status of the region's children. Dr are initially thought that malnutrition could be solved with medicine, education and donations. But when nutrition education in food production efforts, failed. Dr are and a community collaborative work to elucidate the deeper roots of the. Problem. Miss recognition refers to the process by which political economic and social structural causes of health problems are interpreted instead in biologic behavioral and technological terms, eventually shared reflection on the flawed, interventions led the team toward what education theorist Paulo free air called critical consciousness a collective process of questioning the historical and Sociologic Basi's of social inequity and acting to change them. The group recognized that the root causes of malnutrition in LA Soledad lay in a history of exploitation, in which native people were forced to work for wealthy landowners and denied access to arable land of their own more creative and critical alternatives were then considered. Collateral benefits of preventive chemotherapy, expanding the war on neglected. Tropical diseases a perspective article by Peter hotels from Baylor College of medicine, Houston, the collateral and extended effects of preventive chemotherapy, many of which were unanticipated have reduced disease burdens and saved lives on a scale that appears to have exceeded the intended impact on seven neglected tropical diseases, the three major soil, transmitted helmets, infections, ask her ISIS trick, your ISIS and hookworm infection. Schistosomiasis lymphatic, filariasis, uncle circuses, and trachoma, scientists and public health experts realized at the outset of this program that the primary drugs used for preventive chemotherapy, including Alvin dissolve or me, Ben dissol, Ivermectin, proc- Cuanto and. You throw. My sin might affect conditions beyond their originally intended targets. Now nearly fifteen years after mass Drug administration for neglected. Tropical diseases was first proposed the existence of such collateral benefits can be verified, for example, in an Australian Aboriginal community. A single dose of Ivermectin delivered in community, mass drug administration's not only prevented Askar ISIS trickier ISIS and hookworm infections, but also significantly reduced the prevalence of struggle. I di- asus Ivermectin, also reduces the prevalence of low ISIS. Furthermore, preventive chemotherapy is showing substantial collateral benefits for too-neglected skin diseases, scabies, and Yeo's expanding these interventions would cost effectively increase years of healthy life for people in affected regions. Has the genome granted our wish yet a perspective article by David hunter from the university of Oxford, eleven years ago, we suggested that physicians respond to a patient who asked whether to invest in a consumer genome wide genetic test by saying, not now ask, again in a few years would we still give the same advice? In fact, we would we have seen an explosion of information about genetic variation that has reconfigured, our understanding of the genetics of common diseases? We have learned that in the absence of a strong family history, suggesting a single gene disorder most adult onset diseases are very complex with many thousands of gene variants of very small affect contributing to the inherited component, these can be used to calculate the inherited component of lifetime risk of disease such as breast cancer. We now understand that most genetic risk depends on where one sits on a normal distribution of inherited risk variants. We also now know that effects of the environment by which we mean things that change such as exercise diet. Smoking habits the air. We breathe and the chemicals including medications to, which we are exposed, generally multiply the risk of disease for all of us, whether we have low or high inherited risk, thus went up Holly, genyk risk, or is combined with other known risk factors. The risk distribution tends to flatten out and the combination of high risk score and high environmental risk predicts the highest overall risk interpretation of Polly genyk risk scores will someday become an accepted part of clinical practice, but not just yet it is. However, time to evaluate these scores in studies that assess clinical utility, benefits and costs and. Scalable risk communication methods are images in clinical medicine features, a seventeen year old boy who presented to the emergency department with pain and swelling in his jaw two hours after an e cigarette exploded. During use the patient was in a hemodialysis stable condition and had no respiratory distress. He had a circular puncture to the chin extensive less rations in his mouth, multiple disrupted lower incisors, and bony incongruity of the left mandible reconstructed CT of the head revealed. Accommodated and displaced mandibular fracture with disruption of the left central and lateral incisors, the patient underwent open reduction, internal fixation of the fracture dental extraction, and debris -ment of divide allies tissue, the increasing prevalence of vaping among adolescence is a public health concern at the six week. Follow up. Assessment. The patient had recovered well and the manipulate max, Larry fixation was removed a previously healthy, forty eight year old man presented to the emergency department with acute, onset of pain, in both flanks during the preceding six months, he had had an unintentional weight loss of approximately five kilograms numerous splinter hemorrhages were observed on the fingernails of both hands. No cardiac murmur was heard, but the abdomen was tender. And the spleen was palpable below the left costal margin blood cultures were drawn and antibiotic treatment was initiated for suspected bacterial Endo card, Itis, ah, TransAfrica, Jill echocardiogram showed mobile echo, genyk, fo- SAI. On the tricalm's it, and mitral valves CT of the abdomen revealed a mass in the neck of the pancreas, multiple liver, lesions, and multiple Hypo densities in the spleen and kidneys, which were consistent with infarct. Its examination of a biopsy specimen of liver lesion revealed pancreatic adenocarcinoma blood cultures and Syrah logic tests for organisms known to cause culture negative infective Endo card ideas were negative a diagnosis of non bacterial Thrum botic Indo card ideas associated with metastatic, pancreatic cancer was made anti coagulation therapy with low, molecular weight heparin was initiated as was chemotherapy, the patients flank pain, peripheral stigmata Endo card ideas, and cardiac valve thrown by resolved. However, seven months after diagnosis he died from complications of progressive pancreatic cancer. This concludes our summary. Let us know what you think about our audio summaries. Any comments or suggestions may be sent to audio at any J M dot org. Thank you for listening.

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Ep. 242 - Kimberly Snyder on Connecting Energy of Food + Emotional Well Being

Almost 30 Podcast

1:50:12 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 242 - Kimberly Snyder on Connecting Energy of Food + Emotional Well Being

"We're most powerful when we're our whole self not when we're trying to be this image or just trying to look a certain way this fake perfection filtered instagram image of ourselves but we're real and there's power that comes in that and it so magnetic and it really opens up your body and it takes all this stress and your adrenal your nervous system from your Andrew Cohen System. I believe starts to reset the more we are connected to our whole selves. You're listening to the almost thirty podcast hosted by Christopher Williams and Lindsay Simsek almost thirty started as a conversation about about the transition from our twenties to thirties but then we realized life is full of transitions so we expanded our mission. We are an intuition led wellness wholeness focused lifestyle podcast that promises to deliver authentic conversations diverse points of view and insights rooted and optimism growth and intention the almost thirty nation community is a group of purposeful dreamers who are smart passionate and always seeking the full potential in every aspect of their lives almost thirty. We're making magic together. We dream it and then we do it. Thanks so much for tuning into the almost thirty podcast here we go. I live in embody my truth. Uh Your Mantra. That's my mantra right now. Actually no I literally just grilled instagram read. I live in body my ten. How often do we get right like fucking caught by one of those like quote things? I'm like cheesy but rarely ventured percent. Do you know what your journal actually actually. I pulled the other day Lindsay Journal in front of her. It's <hes> from the Moon Duck. Oh Yeah Lee. What does it say I shed habits hinder my truth? Say It three three more times say three times for the Angel I shed my habits that hindered by truth. I release renew. Oh that's a Song I love that song. I shed habits that hinder my truth like aiding five of those trees right now I release and renew I the Goddamn snake and it has a snake on it which is so cool. Mind says it is safe for me to express my sensuality. Oh that's a good one hell yeah that's a good one. That's really good so I put on us so I put on a push broad said hey everyone. I'm expressing Gesta it does he would. He freaked out if you were a push up bra what was the other day he was like too much or was I doing. I was doing something and he said actually too much like well. That's switch much. Guys says a moment to do that. They're just like Yeah I. I can't even remember the last time I did. I actually threw out one that I had it was from nineteen forty two from Victoria secret honestly fourteen inches. I know it's like I was like what was the plan land here. You know who I think funded that plastic surgeons. Oh what was that were they get so used to it and then they're like you. You know what I should just care real. I mean honest fake ones. What was I doing though at my it was a little much use like those I don't know but today he was like you need? He's honestly I think thank you need to go to Rehab as for what he's like I bought fifty dollars worth of peanut butters and you ate all of them and then you brought at home more because you said they were from me and then ate them all no so just in orders like eighty dollars of nut butters I mean by you're asking for it and so I can't wait flip with flocks on them honestly well he did. He says he keeps trying to put him up higher and our apartment so I'll put him like on top optus shelves but I'm adapting so I'm finding ways to get them and even like he had the little packets. He's even it all my single serves. So every time you open a single serve you thought of stealing stealing from what's the thought when you're eating his peanut butter meaning. This is delicious and that's the only thing it's not like Oh. He's GonNa know find out and then I and then Lindsey you had some yeah I did. I give Justin my Rx P._M.. Peanut butter bars and butters and whatever so I brought him home and I'm like hey I got you these. He's in he's got those free but whatever they are give them all honestly sleep like if that was alcohol I might send you somewhere associated to would ever do but then I was like Yo quit wearing my fucking bar socks the how does he fit his toes in their feet but he stretches amount that's hilarious. He's like I like. The grip likes to wear my socks so he can his feet can grip think it about him. Walking around the bar socks makes me love and I'm like don't where my bar socks then. was there anything else that he steals my flow water. Thank you for free. I know it's funny because I'll I'll be like hey got you this and he's like I know you got that for free but whatever our life has re gifting everyone has to accept. I know except that it's really the thought that counts. It's the thought thanks absolutely the thought that counts if you need to convince that I bought it for you. I'll I'll make a fake receipt. We'll play the part Andre well the one thing I did to him that I think I've talked with a one time before that. He he talks about that he really likes is the I._M._F.. Protecting boxers so you can get those on Amazon but I got them from this company that does e._M._f.. Protecting blankets for for mom's new MOMS pregnant MOMS and they also have e._M._S. protecting boxers so actually if you're a company that has M._S.. Protecting boxers hit me up. Actually maybe a bomb sponsor but Justin then loves the loves those. Let's sweet protect your little sperm active so cute. I know I had a crazy fucking thing reading with Nikki Novo yesterday and we haven't talked to me literally never talk about where it was like. This is our thing like Oh oh yeah well. I mean we talked so much but we have to say something because I don't WanNa hear it twice because I want the actual yeah no but Nikki Novo we met her in Austin when we were doing you were hosting the good fast and she is an intuitive in medium and and she wrote the final swipe which is a bestselling book and about dating about dating and like intuitive dating and I'm just looking at the complete elite title because it's a good title the Final Swipe Heal your heart find your person and end the dating search for good. What a good title so I just instantly only connect with her like you she so she's so sweet and I was like you're reading me? In this moment. I just know it like when we were at dinner one night in a good way but she I wanted to have a reading with her and it was just over phone so I didn't really know I never know what to do. Video to with no just just a phone call thought it was going to be a video actually and I I guess before the call she sits in meditation for however long and is basically reading me before the call and she's going through each one of my shock rose from my crown all the way down to the root and I hadn't had a reading like that you know where they kind of go Shaq Shaq Gra and drew the work in conversations that we have I've understood more deeply what that means so if we're talking about the root Chakra and we're talking about ages x tax you know it's just slowly but surely it's really being fucking slammed under my head and I and I get it but I didn't know I thought this was going to be just about like dating in my love life. I thought and it's been ended. It was a lot about that but it was. It's also a bell my creativity my career just more of a higher level view of everything. Everything's that's going on and how it's all connected so how my creative pursuits are directly correlated to my love pursuits and it sounds like Oh da but it's I know that sounds he. I needed a <hes> dot to dot connection so I just wanted to like Kinda share some highlights. There was a lot that was discussed but she we actually went and she started off by saying your health is good therefore you're thinking really well and you're in a very trusting place ISOS like a nice. It was a cool thing because I know that I'm healthy Alfie Yeah but sometimes I'm not thinking about how that is really allowing me to think clearly to be open and receptive like how the physical body he is also connected to that spiritual body <hes> and so yeah we were just talking about the shock run how it's like the crown shock run how it's super open and I'm kind of like an open portal for other people that I'm in relationship with where I am very understanding and that's let's sometimes I think that's a too much part of me but she said it's it's a way in which your relationships will be enhanced. I mean I love that but <hes> okay so she was talking about my career and I have this like biker. I mean like my creativity creativity and kind of like the higher level of at all and it was just so interesting. She called me a late bloomer in all areas so in career in love and I've always felt that in a weird way like where I get things later like if I'm a math class I'm GONNA get it like next semester like I'm going to understand the next semester to august French class. I'm like Falen this one but like hey give me the quiz next semester and I'm passing but same with with same with love same with career but she's like it is so right on time. It's crazy like all of the things that have happened like it just makes so much sense. She described my career as a lot of twists and turns and how I basically decided and I made that got. I kinda signed on the dotted line with my soul longtime ago that like it would always be unpredictable twists and turns <hes> I would have to sacrifice a lot but that the reward would be so so so much bigger than I could ever imagine Agean but in that I can't be focusing on the how of it so if I focus on the how like <hes> but should I be we you know going to this point and this point and this point and then I get the thing she's like you have to be you can be very hard and fast on the destination and what you want to get and where you want to where you WanNa go but how you get there and we talked about this before where it's just you have to be so open and receptive to it being really really fucking wild and not what you predicted which makes a lot of sense and she said she described arrived my creativity and kind of the flow of my career as a faucet and the moment I judge myself or the process it's like it turns off so I do feel like I literally feel like a faucet that goes on and off all the time and so I do yeah so it's like I you really have to observe when I'm judging myself for how I'm doing it or I'm not doing as consistently as I want to just allowing it and and playing with that side of myself like the duality of the Gemini and then the Virgo <hes> well yeah that's interesting yeah yeah the the virgo part of me like my parents kind of nurtured in the sense that so like if I think of myself as being born like this and we're all born like free we spirits but thank you myself as Bohemian Artists is what she said just to categorize it and she's like your parents encouraged fat but then said you're going to go to this school and you're going to take these classes and you're going to do it this way and they did that out of love because that's what what they thought should be done. It's how they understood how to nurture it exactly so that was really interesting because now I don't allow myself so I kind of beat myself up when I don't have that structure if that makes sense so like if I'm not in a class if I'm not you know writing consistently. You're doing whatever I'm like that. I'M NOT GONNA get there 'cause that. That's what I was told to you. It was just that part was really really interesting to think think about and how it kind of affects everything that I do yeah and it's more of like the allowing when inspiration comes rather than forcing and shaming if it's not there yeah you know she also spoke to what we're doing and what I got from it was we can't we can't be looking back to to the past and how other people have done it and we've kind of talked touched on this like the inevitable I don't mean fame in the traditional sense fame but the notoriety riot and the impact is inevitable it it is in the future but were our responsibility ready to our souls and this this contract with the entity of almost thirty is to define new strategies new tips new been newness onus of everything so the process looking to industries outside of our own way outside of our own outside of entertainment outside of podcasting for inspiration on how we might do things differently. That's kind of part of the whole purpose of it well because I think sometimes I get caught up like well. What did they do and how to you know what was good about that was bad about that and but she's like you guys have you? We'll find the freedom in it is a don't give a fuck attitude of like no. We're going to do it this way hundred because it feels right yeah you know and and maybe everyone's like whoa no no like never been done like that before you probably shouldn't too risky and like we just have to go wow but that she got so my throat Chakra and she's she's like can you sing and I was like yeah and she said for me. Singing is a way to get energy so and I feel that I felt that you know since I got my voice back back and we called. I was thinking it'd be cool to have performed philly. Oh that's interesting we should do. She said ladies. What do you think what do you think should we <hes> we should have Asher Roth? Come both of Y'all yes. You're like <hes> you should be mealy. She said singing wakes up in me and gives me energy and like turns me on like turns me on so it kind of gives me more life for everything else so it's just I've. I felt that recently where I'm like. I don't need yes. I do things on instagram but it's like even if I go in the shower and I saying I'm like like it's like a thing and then she oscar ahead 'cause I feel we're talking about this for so long but the relationship thing which has been this month of July is I think for everyone I was on the ambassador call the other day and they were like Whoa what's going on in the cosmos the sweet angels. I was like I love you. Guys are the best anyone else feel in it. And of course we are but just like I love hearing them talk. It's so funny okay so so again. There's duality <hes> I think for a long time I was like swinging in the direction of like my heart was closed. I was kind of protecting myself and then recently I swung way the other way and my heart was super open and I attracted a complimentary wound in this person that I dated recently which she called out right away. She's like Oh you guys have complementary wounds. Wow Oh my God wow. I wonder if that's tell me more like if we had the inkling that he may have yeah yeah and that may be shame around that totally totally yeah. It's interest sorry guys guys. We're talking behind your back yeah. I don't know I mean it's just really interesting but she she first started with my parents. She's like are your parents together and I was like yeah but you know they have an interesting relationship and have done their thing and so I really didn't have I always felt like I could do it better. When I looked at my parents and I love you Mom Dad if you're listening but I was just think everyone feels that way but I know you know what I mean? It's like a a and that kind of attributed to my late blooming so I spent a lot of time on learning you know in a way it's like stripping down so you could start over. Yes feel now yeah and and so I I experienced anxiety when I get when things get serious with someone so I kind of insert that physical part of the relationship I'm really like I want to do the physical thing pretty soon because it almost most it's a placeholder. It's kind of a distraction in a way like a kind of creates this like buffer between like maybe just looking at it for what it really really is and it also keeps me close to them. Even though it might not be right. It's like a very comforting feeling and she said something and I I'll say a a few things that will I think a lot of people who might be dating would relate to but she just reminded me. She's like just know that day. One is going to look very different than in five years from now so his day one with me my day one with him like just the fact that we are like these two little plants growing next to each other. You know like the visual actually really helps me and the focus on putting the good soil around each other to help each other grow instead of what I've done. Don A lot is anticipate them disappointing me so I like. That's the thing that I do that. I realized and she kind of she she did call out. She's like imagine imagine that you want to be proven wrong because it's almost like I don't WanNa be proven proven wrong. I feel that I wanNA be proven right. I want to be proven right that you're not ready or you need to work on a lot of things or I'm going to be the one to help you yeah <hes> so that was interesting. It took me four years to realize that Justin's are really sweet person <hes> I'd be like what what is the motive here yeah. You're just nice all the time. She actually and that's a good point. She was like you need to redefine certain certain words so like nice aggressive. Maybe aggressive just means. He knows what he wants. You know like I think I have these hard and fast things in my head of course it to my therapist. I'm like but he's really nice guy like what does that mean to me. That means maybe week not assertive quiet diet orange boring whatever and like no so it was like really interesting because I was like oh an aggressive guy and she's like your guy is GonNa. She got to the part where she's like. This is kind of WHO's coming in. She's like he's going to pursue. You and it's GonNa Freak you out and and you're not gonNA think right away that he's the one like but you're going to redefine some of those words for yourself like through this she goes. She's like how do you feel about suits and I was like well. I lived in New York for a little while and I've dated a few suits eve. You've noticed Oh yes. It's like she's like I don't mean suits like he's going to be in finance and like you know stock froggatt whatever he's like but she's like it's a more our professional job like agent vibes. She's like but that will be grounding for you. That will give you space to be that like Bohemian. He me an artist and it will be grounding for you 'cause like sometimes I've a fantasy of being with another aren't like quote unquote artist right like every artists does right. It's like oh the tattoos I choose the motorcycle he like he like I don't know plays the guitar like he might he might not totally with my parents. He might come. You might yes so I was like Oh. That's interesting 'cause I can. I can feel that but I yeah it was just interesting and then she was like you need to allow yourself to really see the the brave feature. which was something that really? I never think I'm like I'm. I'm never thinking of like Oh my God. I'm doomed but I don't allow myself to to see just like the British potential of my life only in certain moments when I'm forced to where it's like what's your ideal day or like. WHO's that partner imagine them like? I just don't allow myself Gulf to actually believe that said that was really really interesting and yeah she liked just talked about a couple of the guys that came in recently and specifically yeah. She called one of them. <hes> love this team. I guess I know and she said I would if I stayed with him. I would have to be on all the time in order for him to grow a mean and that like he's Ah he's very sensitive which I know very sensitive and that would and it's not a bad thing but I would have to walk on eggshells in order for him to function so shit ain't she called him vampirish leaves in himself only when people believe in him. I mean wow I know I was. It's like what's the God damn truth she goes. You can't be friends with him. I'm down with that. I was like true. I'm Dr. I wonder who you're thinking of because it's one of to know the the other one oh but sh- what she said about the that one sorry guys again talking behind your back that he likes Mr big he likes the chase second one likes the chase what he's too much of a loser to have the chase not a loser but like how many honey what do you mean Jas. I think that is blowing my mind so we have a really man. I feel bad because you guys aren't really in on it but it's like. I have a very very very strong <hes> sexual connection with someone it is but that's but that's what it is this period yeah it's like and because it's like kind of weirdly layered like I think that chase of that too uh-huh yeah it's like maybe if I fuck enough. She'll could be it. I didn't say no. That'd be it but yeah. It's just really <hes> interesting. She fucking Egged it pretty hard way. That's crazy said I need two more weeks so there's episodes coming out like beginning of August so I'm good by now but she's like you need until until the end of July two east just be like don't don't pursue. Don't whatever I was like well. We just talked about five guys a- as you say you need more time alone. We're like all right. These guys guys fries. I'm down down to get a reading. Yes so so good so <hes> yeah I highly recommend this is not sponsored by just like full pulled because she was so Jonah Miller time I was talking to these people all the time and they're never not never rarely real yep so oh wow allows a little wind wendover there from where she said she talked to a guy that I had never met before. Wow the ghost of Lindsey's apartment just close the door. He's funny but it's it's a female guide that I had she's like she's a she's a very melodramatic like actress type very melodramatic and she said something but yeah it was funny because I had an sometimes with guides. I realized I'm like what was it does. She helps me soften. My heart is what she so. Oh beautiful I forget that they're positive entities but sometimes a Mike freaked me out guide and kind of freaks me. I don't really want to say the name because it will give heed to yeah house ever God's doing no people have been talking to them yeah. The one guy was was at my bedside was at the end of my bed one time like free to the fuck out not saying anything or just like just waiting there. I don't know what he was doing. Whatever kind of fuck me I'm busy? I'm busy beautiful reading eating from her Nikki Novo <hes>. I'm just finding her website Nicky. Nobody Dot Com and I K I an O._B.. Oh Dot com so I highly recommend. She also has a podcast that I really like like as well so any guys things are listening to that okay furthest. Oh man because we want our announcements. We'll save you. We're on onto her baby. Yeah just funded it almost PODCAST DOT COM yeah store Chicago Nashville Silly Ohio. We're going to be empowered voice summit so make sure to buy tickets were headlining dining Miami New York three shows L._A.. September twelfth with Nicole Lapin L._A.. Live show. There's got to be sick. Sick sick sick me. How are you today on the podcast? We have Kimberly Snyder favorite the best gene we had. We had a moment home and a few moments during this conversation of love here we had never seen Moore but as always Literally Arctic Oh this person knows about health and she's just grown in the industry and just oh she's really evolving and it was really beautiful during her conversation take to hear her evolve sense of nutrition and health as it relates to our entire cell body and as it relates to the earth mother the planet and it was really beautiful beautiful. It's really beautiful to see her ahead of the curve back then and still ahead of the curve in so many ways <hes> I might name my little girl's Luna Luna when I heard about her brandon Lindsey Lake but yeah this is an awesome conversation we talk about so much so much yeah <unk> her new book actually just kind of set the tone for the conversation. It's recipes for your perfectly imperfect life everyday ways to live and eat for health healing and happiness and and you know we talked about how you know struggling to love yourself in so many ways in a physical sense in the emotional spiritual sense can really steal your joy in effect. Your health both ways on a cellular level so she also talks about being the real you. How do you do that in relationships in the way that you do that you nourish yourself so I just really liked her high level of like wellbeing because right now and the wellness world it's hard to discern between all Labus information all of the fads and the diets and everything so this is just a very when she said certain things I was like yes that is is truth in my in my soul and my body feel that is true and that's kind of the conversation? It's not like you should be this. You should be vowed. It's just it was really really enlightening so thank thank you can really for coming on. We love you yeah one of the things I loved that she said that I think about frequently is relating or thinking about food and the complexity complexity of food and food combining in the way that sometimes we have too much you know oftentimes in the powders and the bowls and everything like that there's too you've many things going on in our body does love simplicity and a lot of ways so if you eat a sweet potato it knows what to do with it it it. It's very easy for a to understand and but if you do a sweet potato on all his adopted enduring you know all these things together <hes> can sometimes be hard on your body to digest and to work with so I often. I didn't think about simplifying streamlining what I'm doing and what I'm eating. She's such a great great resource. You can go to my Saloon S._O.. L. L. U. N.. Eh Dot com everything from nutrition deputy to health to yoga to travel and you can listen to her podcast which we love and then her new book get it everywhere books are sold recipes for your perfectly imperfect life. You can be a complicated mess as we all are as human beings and still be very well. Thank you so much kimberly. We love you. We will see soon needing to walk and enjoy this episode. Guys see you on tour. See you in the secret facebook group see you on instagram almost thirty podcast. Thank you so much for being a part of this. It means the world to us but it also means the world that you guys are showing up for everyone in your community love you love you keeping we get asked all the time what probiotics and what digestive enzymes we are taking an answer. 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It's <hes> it's not as popular as mockup but it's a really wonderful plan for general female health so it's not as bitter you could just put it in your tea and recently I've gotten even more I studied aggravate evader for four years but then I kind of took a break from herbs and now I'm really interested again and just making them part of your life yeah yeah so is it the same effects I with with herbs like if it's dried and in a pill form than if it's in a powder or if it's like fresh like what's the difference between the three so fresh herbs are much stronger so Dr J.. My evaded teacher says that women for instance should never have fresh tumor they should just have powdered because it does reduce the potency a little bit and women have so much fluid more than if more lymphatic fluid and our menstrual cycle so if you have fresh turmeric is a woman it can make the flow too strong young. I really liked powdered herbs because I think it's easier to just put them in tees and things but <hes> you know some capsules can be really good as well. Wow okay wait so the when you say like we have more fluid. What does that mean? I'm like make sense because I'm just like I know what pushed him. Lymph round of you guys are always he's like so like in general women have actually like more more limp. More more fluid. Were juicier the U._S. and you know when you're pregnant than you're you're. You're the agility in your body receiving more so wow okay so we're so excited to have you know one love you. You and it's so funny I have a blog and I think I started at for five years ago and I wrote about the glowing green smoothie that hilarious it was like one of my first posts is so corny corneas thing and it was just like you guys have to check out this amazing smoothie they wrote like all right and you're like Oh my God he was tried and true still stands and it's just so funny. I'm so glad that you're here today. Well I tell you guys a funny story. This was twenty eleven is when my first book came out and I was living in New York and feel always like well. How did you make the SMOOTHIE and I remember I had my first vitamix and it was one of the refurbish ones because I couldn't afford a regular one so it was like a hundred and fifty bucks or something and one day I was just sitting there and experimenting in the kitchen so I just put a bunch inch of I don't know what I was trying to make like some kind of soup but you spinach a bunch of water and then I saw this ripe banana and I threw it in and I my boyfriend at the time was sitting on the couch and I handed in the blender the split them like hey try this? What do you think and he's like? It's not bad and so right in that moment that was the beginning of the glowing green leads with this is twenty eleven. This is before people were into green drinks or green smoothies or green juice was like where you're like. A Haley had profit other planet and then it was like within a few years. There's I was making it on good morning. America Dr Ause and I remember the moment it was live in doctor is like a couple of hundred people in the audience and I heard him saying glowing green smoothie. He has a holy crap like my little kitchen in your city and now it's like this thinking you is. It was crazy. Crazy plan for it so funny the fruit together it's back in the day. It was like Strawberries Bananas Gilbert. Oh yeah who the inhaler yet and you're getting this really grassy green thing and it's very <hes> it's not familiar to people but then when you start drinking it and you change some of your lifestyle is just it's amazing how much your body and your mind opens up to. What were you going for when you're creating this or was it by accident like we're you trying to get the right? Amount of fats in this matter matter was at just so I was back in New York I was I was I mean to back up a little bit I was I don't know if you guys know some of my story but I was is on track to becoming a doctor and was pre med that I entered in a hospital and I was like no it's not my personal path but I was always really interested in the body and biology and and I ended up saving some money I worked for year then went backpacking for three years around the world and just this idea of really eating whole foods and a lot of Greens and just things I saw particularly in Africa <hes> really started to shift my mentality and I had a lot of personal issues. I was very constipated. Mary bloated really bad acne at gained a bunch of weight so I was just starting to experiment with things like what does it mean to eat fiver. He I was I was focused sung calories and losing weight and sugar and carbs but I wasn't understanding how my body worked yet so I was really experimenting with ways to have blended soups hoops and blended foods and just keep the fiber so I didn't really have a plan and I just made this kind of like monkey. Look thing did become the glowing ungraded within the reason I called it the glowing greet smoothies because I started drinking and my skin started getting better glow and the like Whoa and then I started rejoin. I had you know starting to work with clients. Having people drink it and I was seeing that it was happening universally. I was like holy crap. I think this can be of transformative thing for people so that was the beginning of starting to really unfair when you went when you were like. I'M GONNA go back first of all. Did you plan for three years. No Oh my God yeah basically I was working instead they. I was working in Australia and I was paid in U._S.. Dollars which at the time was a really good exchange rate was about fifty percent so I if you're under twenty six you can getting around the world ticket for fifteen stops as long as you go in one direction over five continents and it's like sixteen hundred dollars or something is really cheap and they don't have that now anymore. I think they do but I I don't know what the price is. Now you know chips every year but I thought it was just going to be a couple of weeks but I ended up doc meeting all these amazing people and it was so inexpensive when I was in Africa who's just living out of my ten out of my car for seven months. So I ended up doing a loop that the I sloop was largely China and Southeast Asia and then I bought another second ticket and that was mostly Africa and India and then I bought a third loaf and and I did you know other countries in Asia and South America wow so that's you guys that's where my philosophy was born because I was out of the West for three years ears so nine Europe and not Australia and not Canada but really seeing women in countries like Mongolia and Japan and Zim Bob Way that there's no calorie counting. There's no obsession about dieting. There's really just much more natural connection with our bodies with feeling good with what what naturally digests there's a confidence. There's a magnetism and that completely and permanently shifted the way that I look at beauty so then when I came back I just started writing very organically I had blocked and and <hes> yeah it just grew and then I started doing t._v.. Shows and I pretty huge yeah my full. Thank you first celebrity you guys I don't have a T._v.. I don't really watch movies with this was the most ironic running part of the whole journey to me was on the sets and movie sets and traveling with them a living with them and I was like I don't even understand why this is happening because I didn't seek this but then it just became <hes> you know we're we're Hutler bent to go staying open to the journey and it unfolds so none of it was really planned it very much happened organically and what was it about you know getting out of the West being in eastern cultures like what would what was it about their relationship ship with food and the land that you think like connects to the biology of the body and how it reacts and how it Reduces Stress Jason just like the relationship there. Can you even describe that yes so first of all I think in the West we are conditioned to have this very reductionist sionist approach of looking at things reducing it specifically down to numbers and you see that with women and good and bad well with with women it's like how much do I weigh. How old AM I? How many calories did I eat? It's just like numbers numbers numbers and numbers don't give a picture like even when then we know how many calories are how many grams of protein our food. We don't know how it's going to shift our mood. We don't know how it's going to digest. We don't know what it's going to do to our skin. We don't know the toxicity be levels so out of the Western world. There is a much broader way of looking at energy and eastern medicine which I very much such as a student I've studied for many years and I'm very respectful traditional Chinese medicine. I've never studied at formally but in eastern medicine which is T._C.. M Medicine Veda and Tibetan medicine. There's actually four levels of medicine. There's a four level approach to medicine. The first is treating disease which which is where it pretty much stops in the West right. We get sick. We go to the doctor. We're not feeling well. We get a pill then the third level eastern medicine is preventing disease. So how can I eat. How can I live my life to make sure I don't get sick but they're still two more levels than the next level is living a long healthy life so full cognitive function full control of my five cents is my limbs because the top level is spiritual growth and wisdom <hes> and personal growth so it's a very different system where everything that we're doing the food that we're eating what we're putting into our bodies is affecting our Energy Asia so we can grow Zenden mazing way of looking at it and I actually struggled with myself for you know by my third book which came out in two thousand fifteen beauty talks power I became I'm really interested in Yoga and spirituality so I was like am I a nutritionist or emit? You know I want to talk about meditation and spiritual. There was a bit of a struggle and then the next ex- book I wrote with Deepak Chopra and then this new book came out and now I realized that it's actually one thing when I'm working with people's bodies and I'm working with food in their energy and then and I'm also teaching meditation and lifestyle connecting with your real self it's all layers of of growth and healing so the food isn't separate right so that and I find when people in my approach my philosophy when they go into shifting their diet they inevitably have some kind of <hes> opening being or weakening or they just WanNa let go more. They WANNA be more mindful. They WANNA try meditate. They WANNA stillness or if they start with the stillness in the and the grounding practices in the meditation station and they end up shifting their diet. You can see that it's very connected and that is something that's not. We're not really taught about in the West. It's more like food for losing weight and cutting cutting the sugar and being skinny and it's not really about this whole life growth approach while I'm really excited sighted about this interview so yeah that's interesting too because I think you know when Lindsay and I interviewed sometimes they'll ask about lake are tips for success and and people wouldn't think that are tips for success would be to like nurse your body and by really well because from a spiritual level it I'm plant based and I have been for a while L. and you know that could be people's decision or not but for me that was very spiritual decision very spiritually connected to me and allowed me to open up in a way that I don't know if I would have if I didn't change my diet you I think you can eat really well and still have that spiritual connection but for me that was connected and then as far as like our productivity <hes> pity and our business and our ability to lake really be in our bodies in our authentic selves. Yes we have to have our blood sugar stable. We have to have like enough nutrients. We have to be balanced silence. We have to be eating for emotional capacity to be there. There's a reason that almost every Yogi every spiritual teacher that has come from India talk so much about diet. When I was doing my teacher training I was surprised at how much there was an emphasis on vegetarianism on eating adding properly because if you don't then it's very hard to sit and contemplate an interest back into your point have energy and focus so so the body is our temple were meant to have an embodied experience where here right now and the more we take care of our bodies? The more successful will be in our relationships in our business business also being a parent. I have a three year olds. I need that energy to run out for him and do everything and you know I just I dedicated my first book. I wrote this is for the freedom of women everywhere because I knew that before when I was trying to be thin and grasping dieting show much each of my brain was focused on what I was going to eat and beating myself up for eating too much or having too much fatter too much you know whatever sugar too many carbs it was his constant focus on it and once I freed that up I just felt like so much energy got released to focus on all these other aspects of my life so it is absolutely critical yeah. So how do you like you know if you're working with a client and you're trying to change that you know their head space this when they do approach food. Is there like certain mantras meditations like how do you coach them through that yes so it depends on the person <hes> and this is something I talk about a lot in my my latest book which is really about life lessons connecting with yourself and then food and the bridges the bio the bioenergetics so I'll give an example. Let's say clients are very <hes>. It's hard for them to get past limiting beliefs like they don't think they're good enough. They don't think they're pretty enough. We're trying to shift something incited them. So of course we would want to pull that out right and that comes from shadow work that comes from talking that comes from journaling which I'm a very big fan of meditation but elixirs in certain foods can really help create that change through your being though for instance <unk> <hes> there's a recipe in here of looking at it today to Merrick with sweet potatoes. How can that be helpful to arc is a blood cleaner? Write to Marcus anti-inflammatory to mark is the more we clean our blood. The more flow there is the more you're stagnant. Beliefs and energies can search shift in our body but we need earth element grounding founding root vegetables like sweet potatoes helped ground that energy in your body so I think it's really important to look at it on all levels. What are we doing physically? How are we eating to support this this chef? How can I hold your hands having the glowing Green Smoothie for instance which is so failing itself full of fiber and I could tell them in their my oats only one hundred thirty six calories no so they can know that intellectually so here but then they're starting to feel that energy they're starting to realize that wow there's something more here and they were working on a emotional al mental spiritual and physical and I think that's the way to really feel look our best? What is so when you say bio energetics? Are you talking about like the energy component of what a food is made of and how it reacts in the body or what you mean so okay plants have been around around for around four hundred million years before human beings so there's this intelligence in plants. You know there's certain trees even here here in L._A.. That are hundred million years old so over time they have accrued this energy. This intelligence is self organizing intelligence. You know this term Pronto Ronna. That's used in Yoga. It's by force but it's also organizing intelligence right so we know from Erbil practices from eastern medicine that when you eat certain foods there's and the four levels of <hes> eastern medicine I was talking about there's foods that and herbs at treat disease there's foods and herbs that prevent illness. There's foods and herbs that help you meditate that help with spout spiritual progress as well so the bioenergetics I'm talking about isn't just reducing foods down to these quantifiable measurements events that are often emphasized in western philosophy such as carbs that you Hillary's which I'm not. I'm not saying they are an important. You know we need to have a general general idea of what we're eating but where we often miss where we often don't put emphasis is the the quality of these plants for instance this there's adapt degen's are a group of plants that are so intelligent that they go into your system and they can work on different areas. They can sense if they need to help with inflammation in or clean the blood or no support adrenal health or whatever so that's the bio energetic the buyer energy if you're going in with an intention I'm shifting for clarity. I'm shifting for spiritual growth shifting because I want to be more calm and meditate the food and the energy of what you're eating can really support you in that and that's so powerful you know when I started off it was like I wanted to clear my skin. I had crazy bad hair. My hair would engro really oh yeah so it's Oh my intention was like I need to clean my body. I need to learn to detox than I want to be healthy again and one size sort of mastered that at at went into deeper levels of of the mind and emotional wellbeing spiritual wellbeing and then it started to really tied together well yeah you mentioned like herbs Earth Certain certain things that you can take to kind of go deeper spiritually or in meditation. Can you name some of those just perp Johore curious yes so I will say like even what we consider very common Hamann everyday items so when you're meditating you want to breath you want to feel you want to get out of you know at the Zen Buddhist called monkey mind behind the you know the thought pattern that goes to the next one the next one and the next one you want to drop deeper so I find that certain plants help you drop deeper or ones that warm your body. I can help you get in so something as simple as golden milk with ginger cinnamon to mark. Those three are those three spices herbs mixed with almond milk really has a warming effect and if you have that before you're meditating you're just dropping and deeper. Those sorts of practices can be really really helpful. I'm a huge fan of elixirs things you you're drinking and sipping while you're journaling or before bad. He's can really shift how you feel so it's at I want people to dream is to help people get out of just over thinking and feeling more okay okay. I have to tell you that sox used to be an afterthought for me. I used to just gather like any pair that never matched. They were never the same like texture her it was really sad and sometimes when I would take my shoes off their at someone's house or maybe at the airport I would always be so embarrassed and also uncomfortable. I usually after a long day in shoes. I wasn't getting the support and the comfort I needed until I found Bomba's swear to you. 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Queen and then the letter v life dot com yards tagline. It's Luna is nourish your whole self in feel-good ceiling. Most people aren't feeling most people say to me. I don't know when I'm hungry. I don't know what my body needs. We've just become so disconnected and when we re foster that connection of feeling early life just flows and becomes much easier to maintain your weight and to have all these goals that we want the great skin and calmness but it it comes from a deeper place than just over analyzing and that's why I think dieting is so detrimental to people because it's not connected to what their body needs and what is the appropriate Orson size for them there and I did it to eating according to a chart or an APP measuring everything versus feeling more. It's so wild like what happens. When you look in the mirror like you could be feeling good and then you look in the mirror and you see something that you know? Obviously your mind goes to focuses on or something that you need to addition Russian. It's crazy where it goes. You're like well. I'm not looking good so I don't feel good instead of being like I feel good so I look you know it's like this reprogramming that got a lot of people and I think women in particular have to work on in order to actually be well I think and that to me is a symptom of the overthinking mind. If we ever acquitting are worse with what we see and like we're thinking through. Oh do my size look fatter. Today's the cellulite bad is that sit is it. It's <hes> we're not feeling how we actually feel in our body if we can connect more to filling strong feeling energized feeling fit and acting more more with all I ate this smoothie and I have so much energy then we don't hyper fixate as much on the surface on the outside and ironically the outside starts to take care of of itself when we don't obsess as much and I've seen that time and time again with clients if we focus on the feeling that energy in the wellness and the quality of the food and I take away either scale and we start to soften the edges of that obsession with no am I eating too many carbs in the calories the body and there's amazing research search talk about as well not to get off track but the body the mind has a huge effect on the body so what is bloating floating is when something doesn't pass through efficiently right so let's say you eat something that's difficult to digest daring and sort of sits there and then the gases get released prematurely start to feel really widened bloated but it's the same thing with the mind if they're not letting go of that feeling like <unk> crappy mirror or beating yourself up or whatever you're not letting go of that thought that's a bloated energy and there's actually she research showing that bloating and inflammation can start in the mind as well so that's why I just felt like over time. I can't just talk to people just about food really needs to talk about this. Full Picture and food is very supportive on the other levels but we're whole beings and the more we tap into that the better we feel better results. We got all around including with our weight including with our skin. Wow so what would you if you when you first start working with someone like what's the first thing that you do when I have a client yeah so I really don't take on new clients now but I've worked with hundreds of them over the years. Sometimes sometimes I will take odds of new ones but <hes> I really like to focus on the greater the greater community in my book readers and things like that but it's it's generally <hes> and the same is a is an assessment of where we are today so with clients I would have them fill out this long question near and assess where they're eating what they're feeling in what their goals are and then when working one on one with someone in especially if it was celebrity I would actually stare at their face pictures for a long sometime not the airbrushed ones but but you know like off the cuff organic ones and people's faces. Tell me so much just the energy I look at what's happening under there is and where <hes> patchiness might be you can look at the clarity of someone's eyes and then when I meet with a client I actually <hes> touch parts of their body and for me. It's very intuitive way to work but <HES> I see the same themes time and time again and those are the things that I write about my folks my articles and it's really shifting. It's a paradigm shift. It's really looking at everything in this interconnected way we we can't hide. We can't say oh well. Here's how I treat my relationships and here's my body and here's my food everything is part of one hole so the more that we can talk about all different parts of our lifestyle. How do we move if someone's are really anxious person and they're very prone to beating themselves up and I just have a lot of fire and their system? I don't think he'd had yoga is for you. That's GonNa you know very vague. That's going to aggravate your pit to already. There may be other practices mother other types of movement. Maybe go hiking outside. There's other things that may be more supportive to your mentality and your body and the more your body can blacks and release the more Hudson's go out. The more stress goes out the more the body can release excess weight as well so it's really interesting so long answer to your question but <hes> it's it's it's I I often have them read one of my books and then we discuss when we go further I look at what they're eating shift. Try to break them slowly from <hes> limiting beliefs chiefs weather. It's I have to count calories or I can never eat carbs or whatever it is and then we often and some people want to start with the spiritual part so we sit and we talk we meditate and then that may open up doorways to shifting their diets you yeah <hes> speaking of carbs I've been I've read over the last I guess this year or two years that women should not cut out carbs so that's a very blanket statement but I'm just wondering what the connection is with hormones moans. You know why would be necessary. It's necessary to have complex carbs what that does for you know women's health so I'm just curious to dig in there 'cause I've. I don't know what is true Mike. What is real right? I shun to amazing things number one. I think carbs are are very importance carbs every day so let's talk about that and then number two the confusion. That's out there because again. I think that that our society is always like the next big diet and this is the missing piece. This is why I'm not losing the way you know it's always like trying to grasp that Magic Heller or that magic formula so going back to the CARBS I say we look at we need to look at Il whole -tural historical all individual our constitution so on and so forth but I personally believe that we should not demonize any of the macro nutrients right so in the eighties the macronutrients clinicians being protein carbs and fat eighties. It was fat right. Everybody's like fat free and every started having too much sugar and now we've been in this wave. We've different iterations starting pretty much with actions of high-protein no car right and then we started to see the old there's major issues that come from eating too much protei not and you know we see that actually too much protein converts to sugar too much protein very inflammatory in the body too. Much protein is extremely A._J.. So then it started to shift and especially in the biohacking community from high protein too high fat on his Kito right so it's always shifting in these systems is where you're cutting something out but if you look at the really I had dinner with Dan Buehner a couple of weeks ago is I don't know if you guys know he has. He's National Geographic Explorer. He's the one ondeck coins the term blue zones and we were having dinner and he was talking about the healthiest cultures in the world. You know the the Hunzas and the people there's nocera Costa Rica and Hiroshima Japan and they all eat first of all largely plant based naturally and they all Ali carbs by the way they all eat being thrown bluestone and riverside lentils or something like in California. What La is there a blue zone in California like the in Riverside County somewhere out there anyway I can't list but there are there are all guys didn't didn't inhale and then the oldest med medicinal practices in the World Retard T._C._i.? And Vega which is even old the older have a very carb based approach so within that I think people's bodies are very different. You know we <hes> you know some. Somebody's more coffee for instance very earthy tends to gain weight easily or kind of sits with food at my have more sluggish digestion. Maybe they would have less on their plate and more vegetables more other foods but I personally don't believe you'll woods just cut out carbs at all complex carbs altogether to your point our brains function on carbs. We need Wilko's. We need energy for women. There's you know when you're pregnant when you're breastfeeding eating the foods that really helped to promote lactation are brown rice oats. They are these complex carbs so I just know that times in my life where an believe it you guys believe I've I've actually tried Atkins. I'm Vegan everything in my body and I did get fit but it wasn't sustainable and I was miserable and plant foods in these these healthy carbs are creating a balance and they're creating this evenness and they're creating more fiber. There's more cleansing is it's so much more than just. I'm cutting carbs to be skinny. I I'm not sure that I don't believe that's really a long term. Healthy balanced lifestyle approach and I've read all the <hes> opposing opinions. I'm very well schooled wheat belly and brain grain all that I get it all <hes> but I think that there's ways to eat carbs and really healthy ways so so for instance I do eat a lot of that Jeez. I'm a huge advocate for taking digestive enzymes I soak and I- sprout or I eat sprouted brown rice which removes largely removes electons electives and the inhibitor enzymes in some of the what are considered the more unfavorable qualities so you need to prepare them properly but honestly when I I started relaxing into eating carbs again I got down to my weight in high school and was so much easier and I was an obsessing and I was pooping again. Dan and my life just felt so much more happy and I always say what good is it to be a size too if you're miserable gives enough. You know what I mean like the it's like what is the the point like. What are we doing and you know it's like we can run around? We could do all these things but what is our day to day experience and I really passionately no because I've done it myself and I've taken so many people through it. There is a way when you have more knowledge more understanding. It doesn't have to be so hard we can understand more about our body and in our anatomy now to create what I call more beauty energy and my program and <hes> food combinations in order so your digestion freeze up and you can eat carbs and you can feel healthy and balanced and beer ideal weight yeah. That's I wanNA talk about the food combining so like when you talk about that like what what does that not mean girls look out for when they're thinking about food combining for optimum digestion so the most in its simplest form I will say that it's really about simplifying qualifying your meals so it's easier for your body to digest if you think about our ancestors and by the way going back for a moment there's a lot of contention I wrote about this in the the Deepak book radical beauty when you dig into really the roots of the so-called Helio ethic died and the Caveman die. There's so much conjectural assumptions Russians that were made in the way people eight million years ago and even if that is true we have better options and better choices today and bio mimicry. You look a similar species in nature like chimpanzees gorillas they are eating large plant based Diet for some ants and things and we have a similar structure so I will say we can be on doors. We Kenny meet if you choose to a lot of my most all my clients to eat some meat but it's the amount and the emphasis so from food combining stamp went from General Energy standpoint plant plant foods are giving us so much of this intelligence. They're giving US fiber their cleansing. They're giving us all the micronutrients and it is the latest from digestive have load animal products are much more complex protein chains and they need to be broken down and then assimilated so in general the more animal animal protein. I e the more energy you're going to expand on digestion like that's just a fact because we're eating higher up on the food chain and by the way there's a much higher uh-huh bioaccumulation of toxins so then you're putting more pressure on your kidneys and your liver so when it comes to and you'll going back to our ancestors they would come upon a mango grove. Let's say and they would been John Mangos or they would find some food and they would eat a lot of it so our body digests one food enzymes and substrates substrates for that one food so you go and you look at your plate and there's like fifty different things on it. Let's say you're at the salad bar like I'll get a little business. A little or you opened up your fridge and you're like everything looks looks good. That's a much harder digestive load for your body. There's just going to be our bodies are not trash compactors. We can't just eat everything and expected to digest well. We want to simplify our meals so generally say load up on salad cooked veggies and then one concentrated food in an ideal world so that could be lentils that could be <hes> nuts like not pat. Hey that could be a soup that could be chicken or fish if someone eats meat instead of eating chicken and fish and rice and a little bit of this a little bit of that the essence of food combining first of all is to just eat fewer are components and more of those components so it's much easier on your body and another part of food combining is to not drink a lot while you're eating eating so I used to have clients and listen. I did it myself. I would sit down at a restaurant and I would start. I actually this is ridiculous sounds funny but I did this in college. We we all my friends. We would chug water because I'm like Oh. I'm not as hungry. I won't eat as much but the problem is you guys think about our bodies being largely water think about a waterfall waterfall. Do you eat do you my first book. Okay remember the analogy with water versus a stagnant ponds so a waterfall is beautiful. It's moving. It's vibrant and a stagnant on has algae. It's very <hes> sticky and and a Yucky just like they are accumulating. There's no movement so think about out that when you digest food when you e- digestive enzymes are working on the food to break it down and I always say we are not what we eat we are what we digest and assimilate assimilate so you want to respect that process and you WANNA come into your meal hydrated and if you drink a lot while you're eating your creating that stagnant pond scenario area where you're absolutely diluting the digestive enzymes and you're making digestion Muhtar on your body so I say drink ideally significant amounts before half an hour before Hafner afternoon. If you need to step on some water during that's okay and if you're going to have alcohol with meals I say order your winer order your drink and drink it while you're ordering ordering your food because alcohol is actually absorbed through the stomach so if you drink it a bit before you eat you will acidify your foods less. Wow so that's I mean. There's is a lot of Hornets but that's sort of a lot of thoughts on there that I'll never forget for the right. Do you know when you get you are told facts in your dislike well <unk>. I'm every time I eat you know like thinking about not eating too many different yes because the digestion process for each one is different or the digest depends on whatever it is. It's I mean that will stick with me forever. The reason it sticks with you is because it resonates you know on like you know already. The ad is that is right now feels good doesn't stick are all these diets where it's like. I can never eat carbs writing this very high percentage fat so true you'll ask Tsk and if I eat a little bit of carbs in that type of diet there is a relationship between fat and sugar so if you had that much that you are the gateway as you eat some carbs in that it doesn't you'll right art my juice bar so many people come in that so many less now but some people are like triple the protein powder and no bananas no sugar sugar and I just think you know it was banana has so many amazing beauty nutrients. It's so natural to eat. It grows on a tree. Where are we that were scared to eat? Natural Foods. Being fruit is such a high beauty. Food is so incredible. I find it very sad but but you have to understand the body right. If you have candy too I did have candied. I talk about this in three detox. Lucien the blossoming beauty face there may be a period where you do need to cutout sugar to balance your system but as you balance a healthy body should be able to handle healthy natural food like fruit so sometimes we you just need to get back to that homeo- stasis I. How did you find out your Candida so I 'cause I just asking if a girl like how would it grow no she had it so there's symptoms? There are tests but a lot of the tests are not necessarily accurate or <hes> you know may not be as conclusive and then you have to go in orange spend all this money so I say if you look at the symptoms for what it is and then you follow the Bosman vide- protocol for two weeks and you start to notice benefits chances are are you probably do have a level of Henrietta overgrowth. Candida is a natural part of our microflora is one of the yeast there's yeast and bacteria in our body that are meant to be there but we go into a series of despite assess by taking antibiotics from stress from eating pesticide all kinds of reasons and then and an overgrowth of Candida is usually indicated by it's difficult to lose weight check. That's what I had bloated check. That's what I had. You know like like you're still spacey you. It's hard to concentrate does all kinds of symptoms so I was like there's something going on in my body and it's not getting better so then when I cut L. Gluten and dairy and start following started getting so much better that you know then we know it's actually benefiting and then you could go further and really help to reset. We sat your body otherwise you're always going to be like your swimming Eric Climbing Uphill. I'd love to talk about skin health. I get a lot of messages I I struggle with my skin and it's you know last week. It was fine and then like yesterday things started to happen. I'm like I know what is what works but then I don't. I don't know what sends it into breaking out again to be completely honest. I cut out dairy all the things but I have a lot of girls reach out just struggling and I know he struggled. Yes Oh like struggling with cystic acne so I'd love to talk about the connection to the microbiome too. You know you're large urge small intestines. I don't know a lot about it but what could be causing a breakout. I don't struggle with but constipation bites but I know some people who who do and break out because of it. I almost have the opposite so I'm just I want to dig in general cystic acne in regular acne to get one says they have cystic. What's the difference okay so so? Let's let's not in the general sense there is and when I got this I was like oh my gosh for meal like different hustle pieces. That weren't fitting together. Oh I'm I have I._B._M.. I'm loaded Oh. I have really bad acne. Oh it's hard for me to lose way on my energies down like and I didn't realize that it was actually part of one sort of route issue <hes> and jere point we definitely have to work on balancing our microbiome in a real way if we want to have good skin and I say in a real way because there's so much hype now around he's words are just tossed around got healthy microbiome and I think there's a big misunderstanding about what really works and what doesn't which I'll get into in a moment but I just Wanna I'd say that our skin is our largest Oregon and it is a detoxifying organ and it will definitely reflect outwardly what's happening on the inside of our system so even if we're trying to use retinol or be on all the skin care products and I'm a huge advocate for wonderful skin-care. I'm very passionate about skincare actually uh-huh skier but I I think it's really important that we work deeply from the inside out. 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If you'd like to dry chosen foods I highly highly highly recommend if you're still using an olive oil is anyone still using and even if you're cooking at high temperatures with olive oil be careful finale heat that to three hundred fifty degrees that's smoke point avocado oil has at five hundred degrees most point so they don't release <hes> free radicals or oxidized until they hit by degrees so the more you know You drink checkout for fifty percent off your first order of ten dollars or more so first thing is understanding that to really benefit our gut health and rebalance. We need to have pro. We need to take probiotics probiotics that get into the gut and I say that because there's a lot of very delicate ones there's ones that are refrigerated. There's ones that have crazy crazy. High Culture counts but a lot of that's marketing and a lot of that's destroy the by your stomach acid and there's a difference between resident didn't forming and transient so transient is like okay somebody comes to L._A.. And they stay at the hotel down the street and they pump gas and they eat out at a restaurant and then they leave the next day so they benefited the local economy while they were here right. They spend that money they did things but then there got resident means I move into L._A.. I'm starting a neighborhood watch group A MOM's Club. I'm I'M IN A. I'm GonNa you know be a huge fan for the L._A.. Lakers that you're actually here and your heart of boosting L._A.. So so if someone tells me hey I'm spending five to seven dollars. A day on Kombucha are dating all these crazy high not go back to the numbers these crazy high numbers prism spending all this money. That's not really helping you because transplants great a lot of people transition off soda that had them have umbrage oh great but it's not getting it. What gets in is Oh say nature's our highest teacher so I'm an advocate for S. B.? O. probiotics and they're the kind over twelve ten years really studying this understanding that S._E._O.. Stands for soil based organisms so all our ancestors whether they came from England or Africa or Asia or wherever they were actually eating a little bit of dirt every day from unwashed vegetables and that jerk creates has perfect bacteria mixed that creates healthy soil and that will create health health and balancing your body and gets through so with skin conditions. That's how I started to really heal was taking the S._E._O.. probiotics secondly. I think the big issue is people are so focused. The Western approach is always like give me what I take imme- more pills what's missing <hes> food which is important right. We need to look look at our diet but there isn't enough emphasis on releasing more every day so even Lindsey if you're pooping every day they're the amount that we release and what we could release and also getting back into that impaction and what is in our Seacombe and what's in impacted in our fat cells for instance which hold heavy metals and keep them from recirculating around the blood we need to have protocols for what I call ongoing cleansing and detoxification and and that is the way to also really create beautiful healthy skin so there's something I take almost everyday called detox which has an oxygen product and it goes in Liens is the blood and it has A._F._C. TO P which is a form of vitamin C that repairs the telomeres. There's a very anti-aging effects as well but it's cleaning out and so what does that mean when we clean out when we clean out all and we create it means we create more space and there's more oxygen more nutrients that can flow and repair cleaner blood. God is going to result in more beautiful skin so whether you're trying to combat acne ROSACEA Exa I mean you know Rach Rashes patchiness. Yes the list goes on and on and on when you're you WANNA work with the microbiome but you WANNA clean out overall so take your probiotics hot <music> out difficult to digest foods like gluten and dairy but take detoxing something like that. It's also going to get in and start to clean and for me that was when I I started should be able to grow my hair back. He was your hair while your hair is insane. I know thank you to my floor. You're a little butt crack. All my a friend used to call what unhedged watched your gun on your head all the time I would wear it in a little bun because it was so nasty gnarly A. and wiry and and it was like a hard to believe it was like one read law. I don't believe you stop lying. Stop Lying. It is looking at it in a deeper way so many girls say to me all my hero taking by ten and unlike okay well first of all. You're just trying to pop a pill <music> second of all by a ten is one member of the B. Complex family and they're meant to be taken synergistically. They they work as a unit and thirdly best. It's not going to have some benefit but we need to clean your system out because why your hair growing your hair follicle is not considered an essential organ by your body your kids these are and your lungs are so if there's limited nutrition going around it ain't GonNa go to your hair and if we wanted to go to the hair and the extremities and really build beautiful skin can we need to clean out to create that healthy Straw blood and that's where the oxygen which is not a laxative. It's not habit forming. It's not even herbal herbal like Santa and certain herbs can actually exhaustion adrenals over time so staff has been really transformative for me and pretty much all my clients take it and it's it's I mean that's like a big seek quote seagrams because it's not talk about it all the time and I have it but <hes> but yeah that's a game changer for your skin. I've been taking like a chlorophyll oxygen something different for okay cool yeah. That's that's great shoe like it's very oxygenating your blood. There's certain Greens there's chlorophyll or fell and you know spirulina with algae's which are wonderful but this is a specific Mazen oxygen that time released to get between the old impaction in and your G._I.. Tract basically and start ninety percent of your blood flows through your calling it could pick up extra ways so and also there's a <hes> A and it goes. It's like it's like a hole in is very connected to your liver right. There's the Tarot Paddock exchange every seven minutes and you start to think about all their endocrine current system especially for women. If your thyroid gets screwed up your period is going to be screwed up and we look at the age we look at where we are today and how many young women have P.. C. Z. O. S. and issues with the rhythms. I mean so we want to really work I to clean the body and get all these obstructive elements out which are really interfering interfering with our biorhythms all these endocrine disrupters all these things which are disrupting us and and he has not to be too much on a tangent but our skin directly Lee reflects that so you Nolan. There's something going on here. There's something going on and we really just like bloating uneven like emotional stuff like I know it's all connected acted but like I'm convinced at certain times when I'm like not speaking up and like we've talked about this but like I do break out more like my body is like holding onto more. I don't know how to describe it. There's an action skin. Conditions are not just because of what you're eating acne is said to be in the energetic space as and there was a book written about this long time ago by Louise Hay and she wrote about different conditions in the body as symptomatic always starts with the Mike are you Veda says all disease we start with the mind so acne is <hes> like unresolved. Anger different types of acne right like is just like your anger. You're not processing things yes so I was holding a lot. We were pressing suppress emotions a lot so when I was stupid and breaking out my diet helped but you know what changing my diet lighten my body and that made me feel calmer so there's so many layers and if we work on limiting beliefs and again that's a huge part of this book. Your perfectly imperfect life working with the buying inflammation isn't just caused by sugar. It's actually caused by inflammatory thought patterns guilt and shame and anger. It's this is measurable. You guys you're inflammation. biomarkers reflect that searing in your cells that change and so for not working with the mind if we're not working to balance our emotions oceans and our spiritual often again plants and herbs can be very supportive to this. Were never going to be truly well. Our skin is never going to be amazing all the time because everything is so connected acted. I'm GONNA fall over. I know ordering detox. You don't even know how quick she's GonNa uh-huh today. Okay I'm literally GonNa Order it right now. Yeah <hes> I wanNA talk about a hormone balancing so so you know you mentioned it to and it is interesting to think about <hes> you know all the things that are potentially disrupting or endocrine system that could be contributing contributing to the fact that a lot of women in our community. They're not getting their periods regularly they have P._T._O.. S._S.. There need issue huge crazy. How many many women right intimate with P. C. O. S.? It's wild yeah. rebalanced hormones may be after they're getting off hormonal birth control or you know there's just a variety of things that are going on in conversations now around hormones in our community so I'd love to talk about you know P. C. O. S. and kind of your thought process behind how women can deal without are managed that and then how we can balance or hormones through <hes> food and eating shore so I would expand that to say food eating lifestyle right so there's all all these <hes> secret rhythms in nature and that has become a huge interest for me looking at everything has this rib of it you know by <hes> my company is called Selena The Sun and the moon which is a very chamonix way of looking at things but it's not just bright and sunny all the time right. There's this dark circle this cycle where you go in and you rest and rejuvenate or you look at you work on yourself you let the pain come out. You let the grief come out the anxiety and so sacred Kurd rhythm is a really important part of balancing hormones people are we are so disconnected from our cycles because we are up late you I lived in New York City. People are eating dinner at ten at night and then we have these screens and were he don't watching looking at blue light all the time and is very are endocrine under current system is very related to all parts of our body and it's very much related to our fertility <hes> and inflammation all of it related so back to your question about resetting hormones number one we want to eat very cleansing nourishing foods so just having the glowing green smoothie for instance which which is gonNA stabilize your blood sugar levels for the average American. It's almost going to double your fiber intake so you're starting to have this rhythm of. It's not a juice because do want that fiber. So one of the ways you can clean out is the combination of enzymes and fiber enzymes are catalysts in raw food and you can take digestive enzymes which I am also a huge advocate advocate of as well so you actually get more nutrition from your food but the enzyme spark up and the fiber starts to pull out just having more very cleansing fiber rich foods is one of the best things that you're GonNa do for your thyroid which again is very related to a lot of these issues with menstrual cycles for your body overall aw number two cleaning up your whole lifestyle <hes> cleaning products makeup skincare products. I mean that's direct exposure Luger in that's kind of obvious a lot of people talk about it but Notre Dame gets better yes. I think it's a newer thing okay what I understand. I don't want to say that but older sure <hes> if you are if you have your suffering from an issue <hes> whether it'd be fatigue or note with your mental psycho P._C.. O._S. just look around what is in your home because they say now. Indoor pollution can be worse than outdoor pollution all that no spray all that crap all the I mean. It's so easy to just chefs and to get cleaner products so do that look at what what you're using on your floor. What you're putting on your skin? What lotion you're using? What is what is all that stuff because it does bio accumulate but here's where I think is a huge source of toxicity that people don't get and I did this prenatal course I shot this course last tweets? This is very top of mind for me. And where do you guys think most environmental toxins come into our her. Where do they come into our body our skin well? I mean I mean we have a lot through our skin but it's actually and again I say this and I I know some people are GonNa be like Oh. My Gosh is not that you're doing anything wrong. It's not that you have to cut it all out but ninety percent for instance of dioxin exposure comes through me. Oh I'm talking pasture raised grass fed. They're out there in the environment and <music> bioaccumulates and that is a huge at the these are disrupting our system so again you can eat organic meat all day long by the way for environmental reasons. It's ninety ninety percent of rainforest destruction. They're killing the forest for more grazing lands so this so called organic pasture fed beef but again from from what you're talking about P. C. O. S. there's a ton even if it steroid-free in hormone free that is a huge source of these very disruptive toxins humming into our bodies and if you WANNA really clean up you get eat more plant foods eat less meat whether you want to give it up all or not you eat less eat less meat and dairy for sure and then rhythms so if you regulate try to regulate when in your eating China that will help you go to bed. You know just getting enough sleep. <hes> there's so many different things I could say about that aspect as well and then there's a a lot of research correlating the P._C.. US With just you know think about what are our endocrine system is very tied to our nervous system so stress which we hear time and time again. How are we dealing with stress and emotional wellbeing? There's so much of it. That's like we see things online. We're talking to people less. Were bottling things up. We're pushing it down. So journaling journaling community. Taki Arts a really supportive friends walking after work taking a shower with essential oils whatever you can indu to really let that stress out of your body is also really important with establishing rhythms besides dietary change so I'm a huge believer in that as well yeah. It's a hot topic in our Ohio and it's funny because we've talked about it a lot before like there just seems to be more more and more women struggling with this and they just feel so helpless so this information is just so so valuable and important to them you know because they feel lost and a lot of them are in places that are like not like l.. A. Where every wish is kind of like it happened in the coffee shop like it is kind of a taboo thing for them to explore their reproductive health than all of this so. I just think it's really valuable. I think that small little steps really start to add up so for instance stance heavy starting your day with hot water with lemon which is on so many levels completely nourishing starting on an op there's research correlating lemons the enzymes and lemons with rebuilding liver tissue and your liver is your main detoxifying organ. Just these little things before you have your coffee just while you're putting under a makeup jacomb. WE'RE GETTING READY TO SIP hot water with lemon. That's a huge amazing thing you can do for yourself. You Know Take Your S._P._O.. probiotics these little things really do make a difference and it doesn't have to be this complete overhaul which can be confusing an overwhelming just little touch points throughout the day. That's what my program's really about. Then you can keep adding onto it yeah over time hi. I'd love to talk about the book or we Razz. It's a beautiful book and I I'd love to know kind of the inspiration you've written books before but this this is so different so I'd love to yes what they can expect show. Originally this was actually going to be a children's nutrition book. I tell you guys that know we shot the cover when I was pregnant and of this whole plan and then and then I just had some life circumstances my mom passed away early suddenly lay within three days of my son turning one and it was like like I just looked at everything very differently and my work shifted and so I felt felt like had to write this book about feeling and Food and the bridge like we're talking about the bioenergetics and like what real wellness is because I walk around around the night been a nutritionist now for over ten years and there's so many people better skinny and have great hair great skin and they're miserable and they're dying inside and they're aging at an accelerated traded rate so it's shifting it's the whole purpose part is really working with body shame and limiting beliefs and then it's anchored with the foods and the Elixirs xers to support you going through that change and the food is all healthiest beautifying properly food combined but it's it's working with paradigm chefs so for instance even the title. You're perfectly imperfect life. I'm a recovering perfectionist. I used to beat myself up. I was diagnosed ANOREXIC <unk> but definitely bulemic in high school. I would beat myself up in the mirror. I mean there's I've been through everything every diet everything it was just so I couldn't get past the surface and it wasn't perfect and nothing was good enough and then I changed one word I talk about this if we can change from or to ads and so or is fat or skinny. I'm pretty or ugly. I'm a success or failure for perfectionism which I think is so widespread today with all the shame and the guilt it's like I'm on or off on following this diet or f.`ed up and a Moffett right but if we switched to and I mean even when I saying like my shoulders drop I'm healthy and sometimes I still WanNa have a bunch of chocolate are a mental wellness and sometimes I'm go out with my friends. I'm GONNA drink a bunch of wide it. I'm a good mom and sometimes I need time to myself so it just start. It's this idea that we're always ways can have imperfections. Were always going to want to lose a couple more POWs or have better skin or you have a bigger social media following or have this amazing boyfriend whatever whatever it is but if we are in touch with perfect part of ourselves we're actually both were perfect. Anna wordperfect and we touched that part first of all we're perfect just because we exist and that's like wrapping your mind around that not because you have to earn it or scramble for it but just because you know whatever your spiritual belief is were unique. Souls were channels channels. Were this life force where this product. There's nobody in the world like you so if you connect with that visit me. We don't try to improve our diet. We don't try to improve this stuff. We don't take it so so seriously ourselves doesn't tank if we gained ten pounds over the holidays so we connect with that against food can be very supportive the herbs in the foods foods and the practices people get happier just drinking the going green smoothie shifting from egg white omelets every morning which take a couple of hours to digest and don't have fiber in your blood sugar can get out of Iraq and so on and so forth we nourish ourselves from in a deeper way we start to journal we start to feel our feelings we start to actually meditate or have have some kind of stillness practice. We follow this morning routine which I teach which is hot water with Lemon S._E._O.. probiotics some kind of meditation and Glowing Green Smoothie our life changes inches we start to feel better and we can work with the body we work with foods but we can start to open up our minds and our emotional wellbeing as well as our spiritual and that's when we I start to feel good and the amazing thing you guys as when we work on these levels my body has never been more. I see this with clients such as New Year. You're banging well thank you I used to have a really intense yoga practice and then when my mom passed. I felt like I needed to ground myself. I needed to get outside so I just do be walks every day but I've let go of so much heaviness so much anxiety and I know this bass sound <hes> you know like like what is that like. Can you really change your body with your mind. You change your life with processing emotions and yes you can everything is energy when there's there's a there's a study that I reference the book about people that were obese people that were given the lowest amount of calories. I think it was five hundred fifty fifty calories something like that to maintain their body temperature and they're put in this clinic and they were still gaining weight energy. They were holding building on what is fat is protective. It's an energy. It's <hes> so anyways what I'm saying is there's so much more to wellness. There's so much more to all of visit than just what we can see and pick up and feel and touch calories protein carbs. It's not the whole picture working on the level of looking at the energy of foods. How does is it affect me having more fiber which is a natural way to control your calories thinking about emotional wellbeing all the tools I give so many tools and strategies and tips in the book as well as practical food recipes because I feel like this is what people really need to feel good in their bodies and their lives to feel empowered and not be obsessed obsessed but yet to get those amazing results? I love the I love the. I know you're crushing. I love the end mentality to just thinking about life and people in general girl you know not I think with online culture right now. It's such a this person is this way this person is away and it's like they are this way away in there that way or I am good sometimes than I am bad some tire all selfish. I am compassionate. I am Hind. I am not kind you know I am judgmental. I also like seeing everyone as the whole in seeing the body the mind and spirit you know as the whole as part of that is really beautiful so that is awesome well and that's when we really tap into our power the wholeness yeah the saloon as the sun in the mood the dark and the light if we just like I'm the I'm the funny one on the happy on the upbeat one and then we start to feel sadness with us things that we don't like we just pushed them down that is affecting us on a cellular level and it's almost like an energy bomb when we can. I see things we can actually look at ourselves and have these realizations all the suppress energy gets released like energy bomb and we just were most powerful when we're our our whole self not when we're trying to be this image or just trying to look a certain way this fake perfection filtered instagram image of ourselves but we're real and there's this power that comes in that and it's so magnetic and it really opens up your body and it takes all the stress and your adrenals your nervous system your endocrine system. I believe starts to reset the more we are connected to our whole cells. It's it runs through every part of our life. I feel that you'll that work. The girls get the book so you can get the new book everywhere Amazon Barnes and noble your favorite retailer Bam the bookstores that are still present day on saying but yeah it's all around and working people connect with you so my website is my Selena dot com. You'll see my podcast as well. How the field good podcast yes I wanNA have you guys on for sure and we do have <hes> supplements and nontoxic high-performance skin-care all sorts of offerings as well? It's amazing. This sightedness <music> beautiful branding site is so beautiful. Thank you thank you so much. This was guys forever yeah. Let's hang thanks for coming. We love you guys. Thank you so much can really can get her book recipes. For your perfectly imperfect life everywhere books are sold plus on Amazon and and then listened to her podcast be feel good podcast with Kimberly Snyder. Yeah we love you see beautiful angel of the Earth. They wanted to read speak comment that I got my d._M.'s just as shutout this is from an I just wanted to let you know how much I've been enjoying almost most thirty. It is enlightening entertaining resourceful supportive thought provoking conversation starting. I am a stay at home mom to an awesome one and a half year old old son and hanging out with you and Lindsey has helped me on many days that I could have felt lonely as well as being a part of the facebook group. Thank you for your bravery vulnerability sincerity insperity and commitment to this incredible network. You've established what I thank you so much and that was so kind and I'm so glad you're here. I've just really loved that and I really resonated with that about feeling lonely. When you're a mom you know I am not a mom but I I've nannied most my life and I do recall times where I would be there all day every day and it gets lonely yeah the kids not being you know they're outside playing and you know children are smarter than us in their teacher in many ways but it is hard to stay actively engaged like that twenty four seven seven totally now creative brain and to be the the person that they need like you know what I mean like? Obviously you have needs to the mother has needs to you and it's that comes second so it's like being the resource and then you are sucked dry dry literally and figuratively so and you're just you know sometimes mom you just want to talk to adults you WANNA conversation. You want to feel like another side of you. You know there's the mother's side of you which is so beautiful but you want to feel like another side of you. So you know to help someone one not feel as lonely I I used to have my podcast on all the time when I was you know babysitting years and years ago even in New York when I was babysitting but I just really felt for that so I'm so

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"He itt listener. It's money hosa here and la here here here and we have special show for you here today. So you know here at it. We're all about democracy and voting and being democracy junkies and just because the twenty twenty presidential election is over there. A lot of key local elections happening around the country. This year that we're going to be following and today show is an interview that you julio did focus on the new york city manhattan district attorney's race right right. You are absolutely correct. Maria and you know this is a packed race so we got to connect with one of the nine candidates. And here's where. I say with utmost clarity. Itt and food will do not endorse candidates. So we're doing this in the interest of public service It was a chance to get into some of the history of the da and criminal legal system in new york city and this interview make some important connections to conversations. We've been having an itt about racial justice policing and abolition okay. So i can't wait to hear this interview. Let's take a listen. Let's hey welcome to the podcast about politics race and culture from appeal perspective. I'm who do so. I'm speaking to a very special guest today. From new york city is to hani a blue. She she is a civil rights lawyer and a candidate for manhattan district attorney boy. Hey tommy how are you. Welcome to the great. Who thank you so much for having me so here at the in the thick as we say or it. That's our little acronym. We're all about electoral politics in power and this year. There are many key elections happening around the country at the local level. Which is so important. So we're going to focus on those today on the elections in new york city and there are a lot of important races mayoral race. Borough president seats councilmember seats and yes. We'll be discussing today. The district attorney races. So let's get a little history here since the nineteen thirties. There have been only four elected district attorneys in manhattan. That's all of them. Why am i surprised. I'm not surprised by this. White male or white men yup white men right since the beginning. Not since the nineteen thirties. Every district attorney of manhattan has been a white male. Okay so everyone so since like back in the day yep so here in the thick so that people know you know through our new york. Women's foundation ignite fellowship and also throughout this election season. We're actually focusing on local elections and women of color and so this is one of the reasons why you johnny are on this show today because if you were to be elected you would be the first woman person of color and muslim to hold this position. Which would make it without question historic feet. You would be taking cyrus vance junior seat. Who has held the title of manhattan delay for a decade and has been criticized for coming down hard on prosecuting misdemeanors and choosing to not prosecute the likes of harvey weinstein and the trump family members. And it's a crowded. Da race there nine candidates nine eight of which democrats including yourself to honey so the democratic candidates include on. I'm going to list them all here. We go alvin brag. He's a former chief. Deputy attorney general for new york and a former federal prosecutor and he was endorsed by members of the exonerated five. And i don't think district attorney who's been both a prosecutor who's worked on on our own our safety but also has Been a civil rights lawyer. I'm running for district attorney at the same time as soon mayor de blasios on behalf of winning car eric. Garner's mother there are a number of other former prosecutors including lucie lang. I third this community manhattan as an assistant district attorney handling the most serious violent and complex investigations and created a first of its kind college in prison program to bring assistant district of chinese inside. New york's prisons to work on criminal justice. Reform alongside incarcerated new yorkers tally for harvey and weinstein diana florence and liz crotty also in the race is public defender elisa orleans and state assemblyman dan court and the republican candidate is thomas if he's a criminal defense attorney and some of the most progressive democratic candidates are looking to transform the da's role and tani. You're also one of those candidates with progressive platform right so as a civil rights attorney you want a class action. Settlement two thousand eighteen on behalf of muslim women forced by the new york city police department to remove their jobs for mugshots. Congratulations on that. We also know that your personal experiences with the criminal legal system. Go back to your teenage years when your dad was sentenced to over two decades in a federal prison for nonviolent offense to honey talk to us about your background what inspired you to run for manhattan d a and. How do you stand out in such a crowded race. Yeah i mean these are questions. And i'll start by saying you know. This is an office of immense power in impact unlike any other office here new york city. I mean we're talking about the future of our black and latino communities are communities of color as a whole And this is one office was just an immense amount of discretion a large budget. A large workforce And it goes largely unchecked and operates in a very opaque manner and For me i'm not a fan of those kind of structures especially those that can really Infringe on our rights that can destabilise our communities that can make decisions on behalf of people And these decisions impact us our opportunities and obstacles for generations to come. And i'm a prime example of that You know when. I was fourteen and my father was sentenced to twenty two years in prison. My mother is essentially became a single parent to ten children by youngest. Sibling was six at the time. And this happened in sunset park brooklyn and let me give you a little background about my family. I am the child of palestinian immigrants. My parents My mom ended up coming from palestine and settled in detroit. My dad came from bosnian settled in new york. They ended up meeting. My mom chose the better state. Came here with my father. And they had a small grocery store in alabama in sunset park brooklyn. Both of my parents and almost all of my siblings are actually fluent in spanish because predominantly hispanic neighborhoods. Like crazy right. you already said bought. He'll already rolled the rs. But you know. I'm from puerto rico. So you know. Palestinians and america's. There's a history. So yeah it's it's a big deal and so you know. We had a small grocery store. Everybody worked there. We stock shelves on the weekends. A heavy immigrant community and then when my father's trial happened we were uprooted. We had to leave our home. Our neighborhood close down. The store left our schools and there was a moment in the trial where the judge finally asked the prosecutor. The question on my mind. He asked her. What are you gonna do with all these kids. And without hesitating she said they're not my problem and she just kept it moving. And i was really struck by the imbalance of power in that courtroom and how we were at the mercy of the prosecutors and the judge and the jury and life as we knew it was over and we didn't know idea what our future would look like. That didn't sit right to me And it inspired me to become a lawyer. A civil rights attorney to come standby families like mine because there are thousands of families that share my story but we can never talk about it and we just have to navigate these obstacles to fight against becoming statistics that says we should be thrown away in shoved into the shadows of society hoping our voices would be forgotten. We can't let that happen as a journalist who covers immigrant communities and latino communities. That's one of the things that drives me as a journalist you know their humanity behind the voiceless. And i think a big part of your platform in that vein especially in this context where we are right now in two thousand twenty one is protecting immigrants. You said during the trump administration's muslim ban that it was personal for you as a child of palestinian immigrants and as a muslim. So you lead okay. This is like. I think i remember you doing this because i was following covering this as you let a legal team to. Jfk airport when the ban was implemented in trump's first days of office in january of two thousand seventeen. Yet as we said right. You know it's not just the trump administration. There is inhumane. This talk about this a lot. On in the thick in inhumane immigration policy is not unique to the trump administration. It was enabled by decades of bipartisan policy. We're seeing it play. Under the biden administration. Just one example is families are still being expelled at the border. Under title forty two ranges public safety act that allows officials to literally send back immigrants which trump invoked during the coronavirus pandemic then recently in new york state historic two point. One billion dollar for covid nineteen relief was passed for undocumented workers but they're still these other concerning policies when it comes to policing of course and communities like the by using technology you know face recognition tools which disproportionately target people of color. And of course we know that mass incarceration in this country also targets and criminalizes the immigrant community. And there's a lot of talk about like a new york city's citi safer immigrants. But you look at that policy sometimes. There's there's a platitudes and then there's policy. So how will you make sure. New york city is safer immigrants and also make sure that decarbonisation also includes immigration policy. I think that's a very important question and for me. I'm all about getting to the root cause of things getting to the issue. Making these structural changes. I don't do patch jobs. I don't cut corners. I don't invade that responsibility. And i feel like the district. Attorney's office has skirted a lot of those responsibilities and has limited its obligations to just this knee jerk. Automation of prosecution and incarceration i dissect those decisions as a civil rights attorney. I dissect that interaction between police and civilians and wrongful convictions malicious prosecutions false arrest false imprisonment excessive force and for me. What's important is to ensure several things one that we change our mindset on what is the role of a prosecutor. What is the role of the district attorney's office and for me. It must be a partner with community based organizations to ensure that we're accomplishing public. Stability public safety to me is public stability. And you're not gonna get that without public participation in regards to Just your immigration question. No but that's interesting before you go get onto your next point because the wages framed that public safety say that again because i i've never have public safety to me public stability and we're not going to get there until we have public participation in the process so basically what you're saying is you have to trust. People need to participate. They can't be in fear. This is safety issue like immigrant. Right is that what you're saying. It's a safety issue right but when you when you think about public safety right you have to think about What do people need right. People need housing education employment stability immigration status stability work. You know things that allow them to put food on the table and advance themselves and meaningfully participate in society so instead of criminalising. The struggle bright. We're we're saying invest resources. Help people along help give a hand instead of pointing a finger And the second part of it is gonna prevent crime than we need our community based organizations. We need our community leaders who know the neighborhoods know. The families know who's walking down the street where the kids go to school where the parents work so that we can build that trust we can open that line of communication are immigrant community documented or not are are some of the most vulnerable here. Because they're afraid to speak up when their victims of crimes whether it's wage theft notorios unsafe working conditions Or any variations of crime. I mean their status makes them nervous to move forward Make them afraid of revenge. Prosecutions and then we're expecting them to just walk into a precinct in that environment and just talk freely about their status and then to what be in a prosecutor's office and to talk freely about the instability of their status. I mean let's let's think about the human side of what that process looks like and how terrifying it is so the way to alleviate that is not to say hey prosecutors. Police aren't nice people. Let's play basketball together is to say who do you trust in your community that can help us open that line of communication. So you know that you're safe and we can still help you. One move on to the topic of the criminal legal system and to kind of frame. This part of the discussion wanted to share Latest statistics from the brennan center saying that more than forty thousand new yorkers around the state are behind bars and more than three hundred thousand have spent time in prison at some point in their lives. Out is just a mind boggling number in new york city we have seen a drop in the number of people behind bars due to covid nineteen. But they're still over five thousand people in jails across the city and that's according to the division of criminal justice services and we know that the majority of folks are black and brown people. We see this throughout the system with the ongoing police brutality and murders of black people people of color and higher incarceration rates for our communities. So we have to ask ourselves. Who does the criminal legal system benefit our producer. Harsh and hot. The spoke with nicole smith futile whose an associate professor and supervising attorney in the criminal defense clinic at the cuny school of law. Who talked about the devastating impacts of incarceration on new yorkers and what she hopes to see from. da candidates. He's had so many decades of really punitive prison sentences and punishment for people. And i think it's really important for us not only to look at the front end aspect of the system but also the back end. How do we get all of the people who are languishing in state. Prisons have been put there under a certain approach or mindset to the criminal legal process that we are slowly moving further and further away from. I think that's really important too. So now i'm particularly interested for many of these. Da candidates to understand what their position is on parole reform. You know and changing on the opportunities for people to be able to see the light of day. Many folks who have been imprisoned. Who have long been rehabilitated. Who would serve a lot of good backout in the community. But are languishing in prison. I think i would really love to know what a lot of the. Da candidates plan to do about that in about clemency for the governor. This power that the governor has to have people who've been serving long sentences and really no other recourse to be released. You know i would love to see a little bit more traction on that. So it's it's definitely the you know the front end of the system but is also the back in how do we d carson by just getting people out people who really don't have any other sort of means or opportunity to get out. I think that's really important to tahani. Part of your vision for manhattan. Da includes t-car surrounding communities of color and ending. Death by incarceration. So what are your thoughts. Nicole's comments here and talk to us about your vision and plan if he were to be elected. Da how can you build equity and justice within a racist and honestly unjust system. I think she's absolutely right. You know parole form is a huge issue. One that i support. It's an opportunity for early release for people to actually focus on rehabilitation be rewarded for it and be released early. I've put a sentence cap of twenty years because we know that you're twenty is no different than your twenty one And people are aging in prisons Faster and their health is deteriorating And actually prison system has been dubbed the highest security nursing home in the world. Because we've put people away for so long well that a lot of the budget is for palliative care. I am still committed to establishing a sentencing review unit. That goes back and looks at people who were sentenced to jail or prison for charges. That are on my declined to prosecute list for those who are incarcerated for more than twenty years And we're going to have open line of communication with the defense bar to join in motions to vacate long sentences To reduce sentences for those who have health issues in are immunocompromised because one of the things. Julio that i think was the silver lining of the pandemic is that it really forced us to rethink the structures of agencies. That we've been told. Were just too big too powerful and too much to change from our school system to the criminal justice system from our court system to incarceration. Everybody had to get back to the drawing board and operate an perspective on what was absolutely necessary. And we saw that a lotta district attorneys started to decline these low level. Offenses declined to put people in prison Whether pre trial detention or afterwards and there was a real focus on controlling the jalen prison population because why we sought from a public health perspective. That's something we can't lose sight of and we can't let these policies be temporary. We have to make them permanent And i think that's going to be an important way to start tackling not only ration- but also to decriminalize communities of color and the way of life and you know one of the things that strikes me because when we started this conversation know history hits me like a couple minutes after like all white men as as and thinking about new york city and liberal new york city or liberal manhattan. How much is that a challenge in all this as well because we have seen the history of the city right literally having you know well intentioned white liberals create essentially for lack of a better word and. I'm not exaggerating here. Because i have the data to back it up whether it's stop and frisk or other examples that it's literally a police state. Great how do you look at that as a woman of color in a place that is so cool unquote liberal. Yeah you know manhattan Is kind of liberal. I think it's you know it's just. It's honestly still very much segregated. Borrow both by race and by income and i think that to be progressive and to be left Is easier in other topics but when it comes to criminal justice reform and to tackle topics like violent crimes and safety and accountability People get nervous and they feel like they need to default to that tough on crime prosecute and convict at all costs. We need the police for everything And it's just not true. In the way. I wean people off of that is i said look new york city. We have five district attorney offices the. Us attorney's office the ages office the office of the special narcotics prosecutor. We have the largest law enforcement agency in the country over thirty thousand members. Eleven billion dollar budget but they're telling us crime is still rising there are billions of dollars pumped into this coral system. And it hasn't eradicated crime and you don't feel any more safe because of all that money. So how can we continue to do the same thing over and over and expect a different outcome. We have to have other alternatives. We have to have other tools available to us to address the root causes to clear out low level offenses and social inequities and actually have resources. Get people on their feet. Take those billions of dollars. Put it back into the communities So that we can ensure stability and then that will allow us to clear so much space and resources to actually focus on more serious crimes like are rising shootings and our homicides and our rapes and sexual assaults because the clearance rates for those crimes are still pretty low. They barely hit fifty percent. Hey it's producer harsha and let me tell you. I've really struggled to find the motivation to work out this year. Lots of things can make your workouts hard put. Your socks. shouldn't bombast. Performance socks are built to be nothing comfortable and supportive. They have this pillow cushion. That will save you. 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How we should be looking at media in the first place because in the end all media is biased at least with ground news does it takes all sources from over fifty thousand outlets from across the world and the political spectrum. And then you can see you know how. This story is filtered. You can come to your own conclusions as a reader ground news is what i want the future of news media to be because it keeps you informed no matter your politics so click on the in the show description go to ground dot com slash thick to download the free ground. News app boop. Okay so we want to turn to one key part of your platform which folks in new york city have been advocating for years and that's the decriminalization of sex work. Yes this past. February new york governor andrew cuomo repealed the discriminatory anti loitering statue. Or what's been known as the quote walking while trans law and now the da's and all the five boroughs have worked to dismiss cases from this stop and frisk type statue and we're seeing action on other laws that have been used to criminalize sex worker community right. Of course all this comes after years of lgbtq advocacy and at the end of april manhattan. Da cyrus vance junior asked a judge to dismiss an additional some. Yes i think about like nine hundred. Additional cases related to prostitution and unlicensed massage decrease ny which is an organization working towards decriminalising and de stigmatizing. Sex work put out a statement saying that this move to dismiss prosecuting. Some sex workers is progress. But but that overall the state needs to do more to decriminalise sex work since da's change and so this progress could be temporary. They also point out that choosing not to prosecute does not equate to decriminalizing sex work. And that police will continue to interact with sex workers which can often be dangerous so tahani. Can you talk about the importance of decriminalizing sex work and poverty bray to protect the most vulnerable communities. Yeah i think this is such an important issue. And it's great that the manhattan district attorney is finally catching up to things but he has to go further. And i'm hoping under my administration. If we win that we're going to run with this and fully decriminalize sex work and to decriminalize. Sex work needs to remove the criminal penalties from this consensual engagement between adults And this allows for the freedom of sex workers to negotiate their terms to ensure fair treatment for those who are abused for them to have access to making police. Reports are coming to the district attorney's offices and not being in fear that they will be criminalized arrested and this is completely different from the nordic model which still criminalizes solicitation. So we're cutting all of that out and remember. This has nothing to do with human trafficking. There are separate charges. There are separate efforts on that front. Everybody supports that interruption. That's not the same as sex work. And i always tell people for sex work. If money was not exchanged we wouldn't be talking about it. We live in that free society where consenting adults can can have sex No-one intrudes the government doesn't intrude but when it comes time to an exchange of money. There are a lot of these low level misdemeanors that. Don't make anybody safe. Make the lives of sex workers harder and then allows for harassment by the nypd vice unit which we also need to spend some of the most horrific abuses out of that vice unit is a result of their fabricated attempts of saving victims interfering or catching traffickers and the truth is any of that there they do assault and harass sex workers so we need to have fully decriminalize sex work. We need to disband. Apd vice unit. We also have to address. You mentioned police. Let's talk a little bit about policing in the city across the country. full disclosure. What i tell people all the time. I come from a family of cops on my mom's side. My stepdad was in new york city. Homicide detective so i grew up in cop culture when i moved from puerto rico to the bronx so i i could write a book about it. I mean you know in the seventies and the eighties and now i'm looking back at it but new york city like you said earlier has one of the largest and oldest police departments in the country. But like you also mentioned we. We know that police officers do not keep us safe particularly in communities of color. We've talked on this show about how police systems are rooted in slave patrols and how police and prison reform right aren't enough right last year. We actually interviewed democratic congressman jamaal bowman who has endorsed you honey and he spoke about. How policing doesn't make him feel safe when monday. And i had him on. We were so we admired him so much for sharing his story. So this is what congressman bowman had to say last year when he wasn't congressman when he was running the issue police reform. You're right is going to be a fight and you know it's not just it defunding. That's part of it. But the reallocating resources toward a new conversation around public safety and public health. And you know in early september elizabeth warren on presley improperly introduce policy that looks at racism as a public health crisis. And that's where we have to move joe biden and others so they understand. Look it's not just. Police reform institutional racism. It lives in every fabric of american lives and if we take a public health approach than we can look differently at policing in our communities. In the last thing i will say this know not tweeted this the other day police have never made me feel safe. Don't feel safe because of police. I feel safe because of my family might home have food on the table. Having a job with health insurance indignity as living amongst good people who are well educated a seeking more education in connection that is what keeps us safe not more police in the street so and obviously just a few weeks ago. We saw the conviction of derek sheldon for the murder of george floyd right but we know these a rare instances for example since two thousand and five only eight. Police officers have been convicted of murder. Despite a hundred and thirty nine officers being arrested for murder or manslaughter. For on-duty vooc. So you know eight out of one hundred thirty nine officers in sixteen years. So donohue vowed to cut the manhattan. Da's one hundred and sixty nine million dollar budget in half and last year during the national uprising against racist policing. You called out the nypd. On twitter. I remember this For their brutality towards protesters saying they were. And i'm quoting from you from your tweet grossly unnecessary excessive and a waste of much needed funds. So honey where do you stand on the defunding police movement and if elected how do you begin to build trust between your office and communities of color. Let me say congressman jamaal. Bowman hit it right on the head. You know we've seen a spike in hate crimes across the city and people keep saying we need more enhancements. We need more police. We need more things. I say look as a palestinian muslim woman. I'm no stranger to hate. I'm no stranger to hate crimes. And i've i've never been able to report them. I've never looked at a police officer and said You know. I feel safe around your. I feel like you can do something about it because it's hate a it's a it's a mindset It's not something police or prosecution or incarceration is going to do anything about especially not when you have a former president banning muslims from the country. So we gotta get to the root. I think that for the nypd. We have to reduce that budget We have to have alternatives to police. And let me tell you something. Julio the nypd union agrees pat lynch the union head at the height of the pandemic Said something i thought was just profound. He said every time a city agency fails you throw police added and he also said that. The nypd has contact with new yorkers than any other city agency. Those two statements are precisely the problem We cannot continue to force the nypd to be a gap filler for agencies that we've defended we've cut the department of education budget. We've cut social services. We cut the summer youth employment program. We've cut art from the classrooms music. Extracurricular activities are parks barely get funding and i sit on community bore ten here in harlem so i i see where the money goes and where it doesn't go where it's And so you know. This is an opportunity to restructure. All of the agencies are going through rebudgeting and then why. Pd shouldn't be off limits. We need community partnerships. We need to invest in our crisis management systems. We need to invest in schools job. Training mental health services substance use disorder programs That actually address the root causes of these instabilities and alleviate them and we can do that by taking some of that eleven billion dollar budget and spreading the wealth elsewhere. The point you made. I thinking about it because everyone's like. Oh the police union again. I am come from a police union family. So i'm very up. I'm trying to be open about when i talk about policing especially as a journalist but the point that you made about the union. It's almost like a real like a politically realistic move right. I know. I know it's like you're grounded and racial and social justice but when it comes to trying to get change there's a political transaction here cop saying i don't wanna do this could open could open for change right. Is that a way it absolutely is. I mean that's how we got the pilot program where we finally the public advocate and introduced a program where we said look majority of calls to nine one. One dispatched to police are traffic us issues whether it's traffic infractions or accidents and then calls of what they call emotionally disturbed persons. Edp which are mental illness. crisis is right and they don't know what's going on. They lump everybody as edp. And these are the type of cases that i work on when i focus on excessive force And i've deposed dozens of officers over the last ten years. I know their patrol guide. I know they're training. I get into their minds in these depositions because this is how you make that structural change. It's not about fancy tweets that go viral. It's about understanding how these things tick and for me. That's the important part here is to say. Look this is not working officers. Don't want to be responding to this. No amount of training is gonna help them understand the circumstances they're going into and their people at the end of the day it's still uncertain territory and sometimes even scary and so. The public advocate proposed this program where for cases of mental illness that there will be a team of social workers with officers on standby if they're needed to address these circumstances and that's a result of this finally like admission right by law enforcement by the union to say. We're not good at this and we shouldn't be doing this. We could be here as backer So that program. That pilot is going to be kicking off here. New york city there another program where a few blocks in brooklyn The local precinct agreed to back off on a couple of blocks and let the community leaders handle all the issues that were going on And after a couple of weeks they had only one nine one one call. And i think it was for somebody that was lost. Julio wow otherwise the community was engaging with the leadership and so these pilot programs are so important because it lets us a scale up. Let's see if we can do this. Wholesale let's see if we can really reserve law enforcement for absolutely necessary interactions instead of being the catchall for everything going on in our city. Okay so let's move on to our final segment. Which in spanish might notice. Because you say growing up it's called us or basically no bullshit so So there you go but you don't have to but you got it in. The thick has been talking about abolition when it comes to combating these racist systems of policing and prisons so and tony. You've actually tweeted. This is what he said. Restorative justice and alternatives. To incarceration should be the rule. Not the exception for all communities so us no bullshit. Where does restorative justice fit or does it within the abolitionist perspective in your eyes. Oh it absolutely fits because restorative justice allows the party to focus on healing not on punitive measures harming out doing the harm that was done. It centers the voice of the victim. It understands that those who do harm have been harmed themselves. And it's an opportunity for real rehabilitation because the abolition movement which. I hope we get to hope. Society gets there Is to move away from policing and move towards a society where people can correct that harm. People can address it and we could have accountability. that looks beyond just prosecution and incarceration. Listen before i- altro you i. I'm just curious what your favorite word in spanish. It's an we will leave it with that kennedy for manhattan district attorney and civil rights lawyer. Thank you so much for joining me on the thick. Thank you so much for having me. I'm hulu and this episode per second one was produced by our new york. Women's foundation ignite fellow. Lisa selena's textile forever lisa texas forever And remember go to apple podcast a rate of us because it really really helps and we do read every review and we chat about it and we love the latest reviews. You guys are all fabulous for sharing that you can also listen to in the thick on pandora spotify and wherever you get your podcast. Check us out. On the web's on the internet's at in the thick dot org follow us on twitter and instagram in the thick show like us on facebook. And tell all your friends about in the thick in the thickest produced by nicole rothwell noor saudi harsh and lisa salinas and our intern nicole. Bassolino our audio engineering team. All women all stars stephanie. 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S2:E74 Come Get Catfished

The Captain's Log with Host Brien Spina Podcast

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S2:E74 Come Get Catfished

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Everyone seems like it's slow motion here. You're happy, you're energetic you ready to go. You make people smile. And that's contagious people that go to the water, pork and feel like you're there for two hours, twelve go to work if like you're there, twelve hours to, you know, taking trip. Yes. That you get there in two hours of the way home eight two eight eight. Yeah. So ager tell me what is like travel. Cafe. Are you tell you like this like me? You know, we've knew each other for some like, you know, before like, yeah, we never met, we went to a strip club in Kentucky. In the mid stripper, yet attain. I've met to tell the girls go on more like this girl can fit in a car seat like stumbling. Yeah. She was Dan, big, I'm telling you something. So after you took her home, what happened. I'll do now. Now go in Jovan. It was her bed. We have all the. Sippy cup. We've been traveling man for, for so long now, you know, we stay busy, you know, it, it's become more of a brother, you know, like a brother relationship than a friendship. You know, I interview so many comedians, one of the questions I love to ask you how did you get in Tommy and start getting on stage. They were you ever afraid to talk in public again onstage. No, this is natural law. You go with the can't behind the camera. And now this is not say, no prompt transition. I show that I ever done. I, I never did an open mic. I never did know kind of thing I show that I've ever done a sold out. It was four hundred seat on the guy and I was the headliner. And I had to do forty minutes and it was the first time I've ever been on stage on ahead. That's a first time I've interviewed probably a thousand comedians on my show, literally the first time, I've heard this story dude. Oh my God. When I before I went on there about how to them pack tag, heart attack about that. But I got out there man and just you had written material. No, it was kind of, like, you know, I mean, I've probably had three or four weeks to come up with a whole set. That's all here. Not like really four years. Yeah. Our especially like every five here. The special every other here. As a major house aboard. My parents have been this. Yeah, I remember as a kid. My mom was telling me she thought I was going to be a preacher because I was so happy, you could talk to people all the time. Well, she was last weekend over Beaumont, Texas year the weekend for whatever it was. We, we just done a show there, and it was pretty close to grope at some mama. Got to go, and I was kinda nervous. You know, her being there was in my daddy's proud of me. You know, my, my momma step bad. They haven't seen what I do okay for the people that don't know. Facebook is very you got to you got to please them. See you can't serve the you know. So also, you do things on there that may not be as well. In our show. It's us. It's really are. You know, it's a real life experiences. We can turn them up to ten we can have a fun time. Yeah. So mom, had never seen that side of me. You know, she lived all than any so much out there really. I could not believe in. We'll my mom lives that you the whole, I think, she saw show you did the last time. Joe every. Every week to say thing like mom, this is the fifth time you seen the same show. She's it's funny. She loves it. Well, here he'll say the same shit all the time. But every time he's out there. I'll still crank can't hear people say shit that we say, no land. Right. Right. It's Jaggard how much writing do you do now. Or is it basically you're just known you don't right now? Just dull. Yeah. And like, you know, like I'll get, you know safe. I wanna do I a bit on, you know, each tuck strip club. Right. I'll have it written down. He took a strip club. And then that's it. Yeah, they're not kind of improv the rest of Nasscom four over worn our set. That's it. That's it. That's it. You just let I haven't one word or two. I see a lot of comedians actually. But also see some comedians and literally have a book with them and they write by hand all the time. And they also said, would they righted by hand it's better for their memory view? Yeah. I couldn't do it. You can I feel much worse than ever. But, you know what's really FBI? You know what I mean? I wound up, you know, get them skill for the early, but I was pretty good. Spilling them alive. Believe it or not. I was good at reading comprehension. I'm good at English. Predictive texts in Tex-Mex jointly ruined. My total room me, how 'bout you writing hand shit? When I try to go to fill out now, put Kim, like Dr Knight, the right by me. I'm like, oh my. Our you pay my beans, like they have to think like he don't even go hand. With a pencil woman told me day, I always play my child's for three Wilmore WalMart that way that, you know, I have paid it now that good shit. Walmart's WalMart, WalMart is how pay much out that's normal the sure to sign that has kind of how we did anyhow, I was setting up there in a field out the wool mart or WalMart doing. It was new gala, WalMart, the other day where I live over powder takes us. And she looked at it, and she goes, you wrote this, and I guess, you said you like a serial killer. Oh, guessing how ever eleven hail new, you know what a serial killer. Right. Like you Sacco house. She's like just joking. What you get this going to say that should. Freaking me in who you are so ever. Oh, yeah. Now ever since then I take my time. I'm like, I've got ride like a serial killer any. I don't know what they would call my ready you. Did you legible? You can't read it. They did they'd be like this kidneys a football him. Right. Right. 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 How Serious Is Andrew Cuomo's Sexual Harassment Scandal?

Impeachment: A Daily Podcast

24:12 min | 3 months ago

How Serious Is Andrew Cuomo's Sexual Harassment Scandal?

"This week on the experiment. How did one group of immigrant workers become the hardest hit by the coronavirus. That's this week on the experiment. Podcast from the atlantic and wnyc. Listen and subscribe today. Listener supported w nyc studios. I'm brian lehrer. This is my daily politics. Podcast from wnyc studios. It's monday march. First governor cuomo is not denying the account of second employee who came forward this weekend and said he sexually harassed or in his office twenty five year. Old charlotte bennett was quoted telling the new york times that the governor asked her about her sex life including if she had slept with older men. And that cuomo who is sixty three. Said he would consider a relationship with a woman in her twenties. Again as bennett is twenty five. This allegedly happened just last year. June fifth of twenty twenty. She says you'll remember that. Last wednesday lindsay boylan aged thirty six cuomo. Former deputy secretary of economic development released a statement. Alleging what she calls repeated sexual harassment including the sentence. Let's play strip poker during an airplane flight on a business trip in two thousand seventeen and that he shocked her by kissing her on the lips at the end of a business meeting in his office in eighteen. The governor yesterday released a statement So this is first real statement on this and it's not a denial and it includes an apology so read. The whole thing questions have been raised. The governor writes about some of my past interactions with people in the office. I never intended to offend anyone or cause any harm. I spend most of my life at work and colleagues are often also personal friends at work. Sometimes i think i'm being playful and make jokes that i think are funny. I do on tease people. And what i think is a good natured. Way it in public and in private. You've seen me do it. at briefings. hundreds of times. I have teased. People about their personal lives relationships about getting married or not getting married. I mean no offense and only attempt to add some levity and banter to what is very serious business the governor goes on to an emission. I now understand that. My interactions may have been insensitive or too personal and that some of my comments given my position made others feel in ways. I never intended. I acknowledge some of the things. I have said have been misinterpreted as an unwanted flirtation to the extent. Anyone felt that way. I am truly sorry about that. And he goes on to be clear. I never inappropriately touched. Anybody and i never propositioned. Anybody and i never intended to make anyone feel uncomfortable but these are allegations. That new yorkers deserve answers to. That's why i've asked for an outside independent review. That looks at these allegations separately. My office has heard anecdotally that some people have reached out to miss bennet to express displeasure about her coming forward. My message to anyone doing that. Is you have misjudged matters to me. And my administration and you should stop now period. So that's the governor's full statement. Now there will be a review after disagreement over the weekend between the governor and state attorney general about by whom. Let's get more details now. From joseph of alaska's reporter for the news organization the city. Thanks for coming on josefa. Welcome back to wnyc. Thank you for having me. Brian for people just now catching up with the weekend's developments. Can you tell us more. About who twenty five year old. Charlotte did i say jessica charlotte bennett If i use the wrong first name that somebody else charlotte bennett. What she had in the governor's office and what she said happened. Sure so charlotte. Bennett says that she was an executive assistant. for the governor Basically briefing him on matters Throughout the day and then after she reported The governor's Inappropriate comments that her. She was moved to another portion of the building at the state capital and became a health policy advisor until she left an november and which charlotte has described to. The new york. Times is a series of inappropriate comments made by governor. I don't think she has said that. The governor has inappropriately touched her or force himself on her but she has to have said that. There's been an unsettling series of questions by governors off by the governor himself including whether she Was comfortable having sex with the man who was older than her and repeatedly mentioning that she is a survivor of sexual assault. Things that she said made her uncomfortable. Read the governor's written statement there. Has he said anything else. No that's been about all that we've heard from the governor yesterday. Was you know a full day of back and forth between the governor's office and what would be happening with this investigation. So for everyone listening you know it was what flash a lot of Back and forth over. Who exactly would be able to investigate. These allegations levied against the governor s. I he had proposed to have a former judge. Barbara jones investigates the allegation and after torrent of criticism because jones is has close ties to a former cuomo aid. That idea was dropped. And then the governor's office proposed to have his james the attorney general investigate these claims with the chief judge janet difiore that was dropped as well because janet difiore that she judge of highest court is a cuomo appointee and has extensive ties to him so last night. The last that we heard was the governor's office has given the attorney general the clearance to begin investigating this and the attorney general will in turn find an outside investigator to start looking into some of these allegations. And i want to ask you about the attorney. General's investigation even with an outside investigator and questions around whether whether that's exactly the right office to lead this Jeff there at least two questions. I guess about the attorney. General's independence on this one would be that attorney. General is frequently a launching pad for governor eliot spitzer ascended from attorney general to governor than andrew. Cuomo himself ascended from attorney. General to governor if the governor doesn't run for reelection next year or is in a weakened political state people speculate that just james may well run for governor next year So might have some political conflict of interest in that regard secondly Well let's take that first one i what. What are people saying about her placement as the one who investigates this joe. Although her office has been referred to investigate these claims she would actually office itself would actually outsource investigation to another investigator. So it's not like tissue. His office were directly. Be investigating this. It would be an independent outside entity that would really look into what happened here. So there is a level of removal But with that being said a lot of people have been monitoring that tips james is perfectly positioned to take on in a possible gubernatorial. Run if in fact. The governor the steps aside resign is forced to leave office And i think the next week's will be critical in doing. I don't think it's too early to tell whether or not he survives. This earth shattering moment. It's really the biggest scandal of his tenure so far but his james has definitely been rumored to be the contender at this point and the one. That's on the forefront of being able to become governor If an so andrew cuomo has been significantly weekend or no longer governor after that and the second question that people have raised is a structural one about the office of attorney general which sometimes in the possession of defending the governor or. The governor's office sue. So if there's some kind of charge against the governor it sometimes the attorney general who is required to step in in his defense in a legal context. Does that come into play here. Sure so the role of the attorney. General office is to be the lawyer for the state. And that means the lawyer for andrew cohen I'm not sure how this plays out to be quite frank. I know that the attorney general's office is going to have to hire a law firm and deputized them as attorneys within the attorney. General's office to be able to investigate these allegations they'll have subpoena power By at the end of the day it. I don't know how this works. I think a lot of people are Trying to figure that out how and reading through as many laws and talking to as many smart people to find out what happens because the last time we've seen something similar to this eliot spitzer and he ended up resigning so it's unclear what steps need to be taken at this point. Let's take a phone call. Allan brooklyn wnyc allen. Good morning I have been very concerned about taking the right balance on this I'm not insensitive to the Generic concerns of What a pr of human resources director of the company would think about this kind of behavior but this is not a private company executives. This is a governor of a state which happens to be the prime prosecutorial state against the former president. And i believe that some of the media hype around this. It's probably been accelerated by some of the same tactics that were used in two thousand sixteen and social media by forces outside our borders possibly can prove it To make this a top story when it really doesn't warrant it. It's not much different from the al franken story where things that are now recognized as not orange. His resignation led to it because there was this firestorm iran beyond people's ability to think rationally. And let it cool and that saucer that they say about the senate should be. We need something like that for media as well to allow these things to cool down before they have a life of their own. And i don't think there's anything in the there if you accept everything that was alleged here. Nothing here rises to the level resignation event but it could cause because of the echo chamber effect alan when you talk about it possibly being driven by republicans. You're aware i'm sure. I know from your previous phone calls how you follow new york politics and i imagined that you're aware that a lot of the pressure though. There are certainly republicans calling for him to resign. A lot of the pressure is coming from the most progressive members of the state legislature. Yes i am aware of that. But i think this is kind of the republican Behind the scenes forces using our own internal divisions against us and. I think we have to be very wary of that before we take the date. There are people who don't want to see themselves be used as pawns to Enlarge this beyond its right proportions but we're losing proportionality just the way we did with the al franken thing focusing on what is the ideal behavior. What are our internal standards of behavior instead of. What is it in relation to the party competition or doing anything remotely as bad as the other side without ever resigning or facing any consequence of why are we unilaterally disarming in this battle for hearts and minds when it isn't really justified and i'm not saying this to justify imperfect behavior. I'm saying the remedy is not to take the date and allow other people to manipulate us into self destructive acts. Allan thank you very much. Sarah in wyckoff. You're on wnyc. Huzzah hi. thank you for taking my call. I actually exactly what she just said is the point you know. How much do we take. I my daughter is a as an adult. She's in her thirties. And is very politically active and also runs a youth group And what happens every day when another politician comes on and another politicians charged with whatever it is whatever level it is it almost doesn't matter the women around us her generation by generation teenagers. Say there's another reason why we don't trust men Because these these men of power proved that with power comes some sort of act of aggression or just taking advantage of women. And i think that though i do understand that there are degrees. You know the franken case. Oil or the governor's case To the to the younger women who are learning to trust society. It does matter. It matters tremendously that. He takes Responsibility and that responsibility means that you proved to the women of the of your constituents and you prove to all the younger women watching that it's enough it's you just can't get away with us to the extent that you can save for your daughter working in politics. Has she perceived a change since two thousand seventeen when the metoo movement broke out. I think no go ahead. I was just going to say. Because i think people are surprised that cuomo and being you know Fashioning himself a progressive democrat and for equal rights would have engaged in even this kind of behavior even if it was just as he rises it after me too. I think that's exactly the point. I think exactly the point. Is that even those men who perceive themselves as being better than somehow understanding of or allies of women. It feels to us. It feels to women that that men in power still think that they can just get away with these things. Because it doesn't matter somehow thank you for your call. We appreciate it ellen in stamford on. Wnyc hey alan hi Thank you for taking my call I think the government is doing a great job and night i. I was looking forward to during the covid crisis to come up and calm everybody. Down and I'm really bad at So much and now at such a force bing him down for allegations and in such a big platform now for a thing. You had a program on. Friday was dedicated to komo's behavior in today again and i'm kind of like little bit disappointed. We we women have a power. Believe me. I have in concert through my life because i come from europe and aggression towards me in the bus and everything and i had a power. I i didn't let anything bother me and During my career be approaching me. And when i do not want it i just made it clear an end of the start. I did not ever try to bring anybody done. I understand people make mistakes but for sending flowers and sank things inappropriately dot doesn't to bring the governor. Dan or anybody else unless unless you get pushed to the corner and get rape other than that. It's it's awards and you just have to let go sensor generational difference ellen to the extent that you may be talking to younger women between what you and other women in the workforce of of your age. I mean i'm guessing at your age. You you know general range you tell me but and younger women do you feel generational. Divide here yeah i do. I think the young women are sorta like making a big deal. Or what happened to me blah blah blah. Everything's things happen every day And you have to let go and if your boss makes Inappropriate comments just brush them away and move on and you can say no. I'm not interested and of the study But to bring it to the public and in tried to bring the government down because she sent dozen of roses blah blah blah. I got dozen roses from man. And i thank them very much and that was the end of it. Thank you thank you very much One more call. Joe in hudson new york you're on wnyc hijo and we're running out of time so be brief but higher on the air. Good good morning. And i would be very fast. We need to hold the standard for as what we did to trump all these conspiracy issue. Your last caller. I don't know what culture he's talking about he. she's from poland. Police men will never accept such behaviour because she got an eastern european accent. And i'm a foreigner myself. We need to hold the spent and bhai debate your reporters right andrew. Cuomo is not his father. he's been bullying for past four years. Remember the renegade tunnel towards that. They were voting republican. He didn't do anything so he's been swinging. He has made so much enemies forward award. Peace buddy that. They used to go to super bowl party during his father. Call you know from buffalo sabres. buddy get. They used to raise money for his father. He was running against him. Can i want the new york city new york times reporter isoko fitness and he went an investigation. He said you were right. How did you know that. Joe so you and john lennon for time i apologize But you're saying hold cuomo to To a single standard with other politicians well as we can hear from our callers josefa and as we run out of time It's it's very easy to find. You know people on various sides of what they think should happen now and how seriously they think any of these behaviors at least as far as acknowledged. So far right now. I think the difference is that this is a governor who has made a platform being champion for women who has shepherded pieces of legislation trying to curb sexual harassment in the workplace. And he's at odds right now With some of these policies that he has put forward so what will happen. In the next few weeks i think will be indicative of where things are societally and where things go from here. We heard from two women so far who worked for him. There may be many more. And i think there's comes a point the tipping point. If that's the case. And i think one of the things that we hear from callers. We definitely heard it explicitly on friday and i think implicitly today. It's that this governor actually competent in an era of incompetent governance on covid. Please don't take him away from us and we'll see if that changes but despite the failures the particular failures around the nursing home transfers There's a wide perception out there. I think that cuomo was actually done a good job in an emergency and please don't take him away from us. I think we heard that explicitly from callers on friday and implicitly. Today you get that sense from the public and your reporting absolutely. I mean you have cuomo being graded against donald trump and that. You're being graded on a curve at that point Because you had in the active leadership on the federal level and so the governor was able to step up and be that leader for not just new yorkers during the peak of the pandemic but or american who have been tuning into his report his daily conferences. So they're right. I mean they did see someone who was an effective leader who was able to speak and really quality. Some of the worries that people had during a really uncertain scary time Show that is the andrew cuomo they know abuse andrew cuomo that some of the new yorkers now is a different person and there is some of the conversation. That new yorkers are having from various points of view with each other today joseph of alaska's reporter for the city. Thanks a lot for joining us. Thank you brian. Brian lehrer politics. Podcast is an excerpt from my live. Daily radio show the brian lehrer show on. Wnyc radio ten am to noon eastern time. If you wanna listen live at. Wnyc dot org. Thanks for listening today. Talk to you next time.

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Kristin Davis & John Benjamin Hickey

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

27:04 min | 1 year ago

Kristin Davis & John Benjamin Hickey

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch. What happens live with me? Andy Cohen Uh on sex and the city she was classy and flirty. E played Miranda's boyfriend. Who thought sex was dirty? It's watch what happens. Live with Kristin Davis and John Benjamin Hickey now the code in the Baba clubhouse with two respected actors who tonight are taking a class in the Andrew Cohen School of Drama I an empty spelling for six seasons in two movies of sex. In the city you fantasize that my first guest was your Vava. Wish that Oliver Close would appear on your closet now. She's she's a netflix movie. Holiday in the wild whose welcome for first time in the clubhouse Kristin Davidson a the two-part Broadway play. You'll make you laugh. He'll break your heart and he will look Gylfi while doing both get your tickets. It's now to see him in the inheritance. I cannot recommend this play enough high enough open Sunday at the Ethel Barrymore Theatre in New York City. Say Hi to my pal John John Benjamin Hickey every off each other for a long time pointed we. We have known you. I know very great. Yes I know. That's words to the bar. They spend eight shows a week together. They still came tonight so either they really like each other or they're just that good at acting say hi to John's Co Stars in the inheritance Jonathan Burke Carson maekelae wonderful in the play. Congratulations and for everyone at home. I JUST WANNA say. Get your tickets to the inheritance now before the review comes out in a week because this will be the best reviewed show of the year the best reviewed play so get your tickets. Now let's get on tonight's nights below deck. Kate was very impressed by what she calls. Brian's Penis Ravine Hickey. What what do you think No real the key yes something else. Yes all right during the cruise night out Ashton's lack of luck with the ladies continued. I cannot believe Ashton is having such such a hard time getting laid but look at his look at his method. Ashley Wade Yard Gross. Why don't we do that way in my cousin and I was scared? Actually very sensible. Very have sucks. I imagine having less of a chance than Ashton. It's incredible to me. I can't wait to see what happens questions. Kristen and John we're coming in but before he gets in those. Here's is what three things I'm obsessed with tonight first. Charlotte York may have been America's favorite prude. But I'm hoping Kristin Davis will be anything but brutish when it comes to answering my burning questions about sex and the city. Here's what Kristen. I have a speed round of questions for you. which cost me? Do you think most resembled their character in real life and Cynthia out of all the women whose wardrobe was the least desirable to you Samantha. What what was your favorite and least favorite Charlotte storylines you have a favorite? I have a lease. There's this one time with this guy. Having sex with had to shout like big Mar really really hated online ov. Who did you want Kerry to end up up with Aidan or Mr Beg? Wow I love John Corbett so so much but I do think she was meant for big last We're going to give the last question of this round to Sarah Jessica Parker on the telephone. Hello Hey hey I noticed that the three of US speed Ram but I gotta say hello to three people. I love very hey okay speed round okay kristen. Kristen this is a real brain teaser. I'm going to focus it on food. Because that's basically what we talked about onset all the time I get your little time machine. I want you to go back to Morocco geico to the set of when we were doing sex in the city. Too and I'm going to ask you. What did we eat every day at eleven? Thirty the The sandwiches we go and get the the the tomato sandwiches from the the crafty but we had to walk a really long way. I had a particular delicious Ham baguette every every day. Thank you I love an insider question and I also just want to Plug Lug John. Benjamin Nikki is directing you and Matthew Broderick in plaza suite tickets now. Yes yes stupid. Let's focus on Christian and thanks for calling in to you all right second in John. Benjamin Hickey may be co starring in the inheritance alongside the very talented boys behind our bar tonight. But his collaborators for his entire career have been A. Who's who of talented? So here's what I wanNA know what he's learned from some of his Pasco ours with co-stars with inherently learned learned. What did you learn from Denzel Washington? You've been in two movies with is a two movies with him. He's very brilliant. He's very intimidating but then we went to college at the same College Fordham Fordham University. And we had the same mentor. The Guy who turned him into an actor turned me into an actor. As soon as I told him that we became best friends. I haven't seen him. Said what has Laura Bernie. What did Laura Linney teach you? See Co Star Laura Linney the best thing she's ever done on television among a body of great work is give me a hickey. Live on this. Yes that's true. She actually ought to dare gave me a Hickman. Bmx in what is the best thing she taught you. I've had sex with her a lot on film on seniors so remarkably uninhibited. What did you've done a few movies? With what what does a sheet spot. I believe because of Lippi Goldberg. I believe that your spirit evolves until you reach the ultimate person. Wow what about Powell and chat later your husband heard me straight. Oh Wow that's not when you and I were to the scandal. Maybe I just loved him. So much weight you were. In the bone collector within Djelic Angelina Jolie s before she was angeline. Teach you anything. And I remember turning to Queen Latifah. Who wasn't even that famous yet? Saying I think girls can be really famous. Oh you really called it. Thank you very much in both on sex in the city zone with scenes with Miranda and I held a shoe and Christie was seen to. I want to see if we can guess who else is in our esteemed cameo club. Here's what it's time for cameo or can mean no. John and I will whether or not a host of celebrities guest starred on sex in the city. Need an kristen will say yes or no. Carrie Fisher I know the yes guy. I guess your answer the care. And I don't think Jonah Keri sex in the city now no okay. What about insulin Yes yes yes yes? What about the rope? Yes s wife Naomi Campbell. Yes now okay. What about Jon? Bon Jovi yes yes Andie macdowell the last Morissette. Yes yes yes yes Christian slater the I don't think so. Yeah what about Bradley Cooper. Yes really. Yeah what was probably like first season. He's in second season in the US really young had crazy hair and he was like downtown with Sarah like leaving into the car saying something to her. That's all I remember. Yeah adds fun. He looked like a crazy person. Let's go to the phones. It's Kenzi from Wisconsin with the question for Kristen. What's your question Kenzi? Oh my gosh I am such a fan and you look so great goal thank you. You're welcome so I have a question for you. What's your least favorite of Charlotte's boyfriends friends? On Sex and the city. I'M GONNA go with that one who screamed bitch for that. I don't know what his name was kind of blocked him out the rest of them because it was really work for John Benjamin Hickey. What's your question Alexa? High N. B.. I'm I'm a question is for John. Love you guys so much The question is since you've done so many of them. How do you prepare yourself for a nude scene or you have to have A? You can't say it on camera. Love A sock. No I'll tell you can take a Eh you in your Dick on Still WanNa touch privates. You're with another person. Beg You don't want to go to wishes on stage or prepare for new mini. I've only done one. Newt seen on stage. You take a warm shower our so anyway. Okay Natalie from Iowa Daddy. What's your question I e and e? My question is for Chris. Davis did you ever watch your toast or Rob Lowe sex tape for back in the eighties in in the eighties. You must've must've seen their they. May I definitely definitely saw some of it is what you will you know someone you feel bad in Hong. Yes yes so bring this up second. It's your second time. You are in public second time to second time working with him right yes I love I love family and the thing that I will say for rob. He owns his whole. Yeah he he's got a great sense of humor he's sober now and you know I'm sure he'll be fine but for me. It's kind of weird to think about him in that. In that. In that way John Alana F sets were born in Plano. What did you think of Dallas housewifely unlocking? infamously saying it looked a little plano in here as an insult Batman. I've got such plano pride. Nothing she said and play those got some. You know there's some there's some crazy stuff. There's maybe a knew what she meant. I don't think she meant bad that she getting a lot of trouble for that From people from Plano weren't happy. Okay guess what. It is game time guys today. My Dad Lou Cohen is turning eighty seven talk show and he sprayed grip cream brandy brandy glanville's mouth and he's even portrayed Samantha. CASSIM from sex in the city. I thought I'd do something to thank him for being such a good sport. God it's my parents. We're in a game called Lou or false are announcer. Paul is going to read potential facts about my dad is we. Stare are into his eyes for clues. Kristen and John we'll whether the facts are real or made up. Okay Paul. What's I fact? Loose celebrity crush used to be Angie Dickinson. Then he was once lucky enough to be on a flight with her understates. Absolutely true to True true flight again. They can send a long time ago. How'd she look? I thought she looked great. 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It opened on Broadway at the Barrymore theater on Sunday behind the bar. It's Jonathan Carson McCowan Allie Are Kyle Harris. They are part of the inheritance with John. Benjamin Hickey you know we talked talked. That's a lot about sex and the city do I. Obviously Kim control is said. She's not interested in being another movie. Do you think that there could be another movie without her. How do you view that You know I've been. I've been brash. And people ask me different different things that I've been saying things that are like in my fantasy like I'm a hopeful person. Obviously and I have a whole very rich Imagination is it in your fantasy. Let's see that she would come back. I have all different fantasy. I have fantasies were Sarah and I have a whole short movie planned cold. Michael Patrick we go to. China does used to be part of the first film. That didn't happen way back in the day right. We go to China because my daughter wants to go on like an inheritance trip or you go to see your or your homeland right. We're in China Kerry and Charlotte have whole adventure in China. That amazing right so that could be like a standalone. Thank right then this other fantasy because you know you guys are all here in Broadway fanatics we could be in a musical who the leasing we own you. They were all the in that all right. Let's go to Erica in Virginia. Hang Erica hey andy. I'd love to ask John on John. What are you most nervous about Directing Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick in plaza suite? And do you think it might make your friendship awkward. They don't respond well to. You're wondering what the after show. I am most nervous. Because because I've never directed a Broadway play before lease nervous about directing. I think the friendship will last. I think the marriage will asked because I think they're both such brilliant actors and they're so funny and they're so they work so brilliantly together that I'm the at least worried about them a little. I've got my own nerves of a of a blast. It's absolutely beautiful. Play about marriage marriage about relationships beginning ending and the idea that these two great actors. Who just so happened to be married to each other? Get to do this. Play is really. It's such a way I'm so excited. Do a run through of the play in Sara's Backyard Yard and Matthew and Sarah played their parts and I got to play all the other parts including the secretary the bellhop the room. Say It's the best acting Eddie's ever done I tell everyone about your first audition that you had sex in the city. Yes in the first or second season season of sex in the city. Yeah Michael Patrick King for some reason was like come in and read for. I think the part that wound up going tomorrow Canto Party which a huge part of the expectation was for it to wind up being such a huge part. Reo is so great that they were probably like okay. Well we have to but it was. I think that party planner wasn't it twenty years ago. We sat at Benny's Burritos us on the dishes with him. And I kept saying sweetie just tone it down. Ah Are you. Can I tell the backstory behind that Andy's to come around and hang out with us on the set yes yes and so we all just wanted him to be there more so we were like give Andy a park all the time. I was just working working behind hind the scenes. I was doing shoe salesman on the show. Oh yeah then. In the final season I was issue. We have to. I was Marsha Arshat lists next to surge out or anyway let's go to heather from Illinois other what's your question handy high crystalline. Hi Kristen. What was hi? What was your reaction? Winning heard your friend Cynthia. Nixon was running for governor of New York Well I knew for awhile that this was a possibility ability and I had been like Cynthia. Cynthia no is crazy in politics. I was like we already deal with the crazy press. Like that's like like like a death breath match. You know. I was like don't do that to the family. This is me being cautious though. No no this is the time when women need to do it. Women need to step out. Women need to run and that's why I respect her and love her there you go. That's his Patrick. What's your question? Hey Andy My questions for John. I recognize that accent in Texas. Yes Since your buddies with pilot phone what was sure reaction to her recent interview where she called injured. Lloyd Webber Jerk and Zantac. I just love Patty inch and she really has zero left. You gotTa love that. Somebody's that honest and I'm sure Andrew. Lloyd Webber's probably heard words will probably find A. Let's go to Spencer from New York City. Spencer what your question. Hey my a question for Kristen High I love doing holiday. Wild Boars So my question is is the rumor true that there is a sex scene in season one of sex and the city with your boyfriend. That was too Raunchy even for HBO. Oh Darren Star talked about this devolved pudding peanut butter on a guys. Wait did I was in. Yeah no no uh-huh Yes yes you know why it was bad because it involved an innocent dog yes yes yes yes. Is it all coming back to me so it was bad because of the dog is not fair included in Shenanigans. Your name saying Yes yes. Good one last call. I'd send him from Kentucky. Hey Cindy what your question. Hey question for John Okay. So after the off view of Peter Luger's were there any conversations about taking out your line the heritage when you're a raving about the stakes. It's not a line in the inheritance. It's an entire scene these two guys. Jonathan Kyle play my sons in it and we go to Peter Peter Luger's and we talk about how great it is and and the New York Times gave this just excoriating terrible review. Peter Luger's so much so that the first two nights after sure that review came out the audience would just fall apart when they saw the menu. So we changed a line for a couple of nights and then the playwright whose absolute oh genius just said. I can't change the scene in my place simply because the New York Times doesn't like Peter Luger's and also the character I play is a Republican looking at a very conservative Republican. Kato you know gay. Republican billionaire loud massive contradictions there and he would be the last person. Sit in the world. Who would stop going to his favorite steakhouse because the New York Times told him not to go with him right so we kept it in and it's all fine but there are a couple of days there we're the whole play would just come to this crashing halt because because people couldn't believe people thought we put it in there after the review like once every decade cater so there's a restaurant review in the New York Times that captures the Zeitgeist in a way in this one has have you ever been in? Yes yes yes yes go all the time. I don't know I just heard from a buddy who was just their trash. I'm Paul Guy Soon. Anyway I WANNA thank the FELLAS via their. Aw thanks for listening to the podcast cows. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes go live Monday through Friday at four P._M.. Eastern time make sure your subscribe to have a great rusty or night.

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RHV 19: Rural Residency

The Rural Health Voice

27:42 min | 2 years ago

RHV 19: Rural Residency

"The real houseboys episode nineteen residency programs welcome to the rural health voice. I am Buffet Connor your host we discuss row health issues at the grassroots level and how state and federal policies play out in our local communities. What happens after someone finishes medical school? Dr Murray Snyder Designated Institutional Officer at Lonesome Pine Us Hospital family practice joined me to discuss her training in rural communities means learning to do more for your patients. Welcome Dr Naida. Thank you for having me so let's start with the basics. What is a residency program? Residency Program is a post graduate medical education where we train graduates of some medical school to become practicing and physicians and how are the residents selected as a process similar to apply to medical school there is <hes> they apply to <hes> what we call eras which is <hes> residency matching program <hes> we interview each resident that we have and <hes> and we get them from all over again from Texas again from California of course we get them from Tennessee the bus google. I'll say that medicine which is our home affiliate medical school that we're associated with. We get a lot from them but we get them all over and in the selection process is you talked about them being matched so to the residents get to pick they go to they say apply to you know three or five or however many how does that process they can apply to hundreds if I want to but most most postgraduate doctors apply to maybe four or five I programs that you're very interested and they interview address and see and then they picked their choice if they picked their number one choice and we pick them as our number one choice then that's considered a match and then they Dan they come up they come to us for three years of training and family practice so do all medical students get matched with the program now they do know some of them. Don't get to match their first pro program. I selection. Let's say if you have a resident that you know was was fair but somewhat academically weak and they wanted to match with cardiovascular surgery. Excuse me and the cardiovascular surgeons you know they require high board scores and a lot of extra that resident didn't match if the program ranked as is number ten and they had ten other residents ahead of them within therefore that rested wouldn't match so you talked about a cardiovascular surgery program. Are there different types of presidency's or is it just a matter of locations such as say Chicago versus South West Virginia no there there's hundreds of different <hes> residencies not all the residencies is also fellowships after residencies so you you know to give me some example of residencies Internal Medicine Family Practice Pediatrics O._B._G._Y._N.. Neurology Psychiatry to name a a few of the primary care residencies and then you also have cardiovascular fellowships that you can do you can do addiction medicine fellowships. There's hundreds of fellowships you can do in post residency training so pretty much for every kind of medicine you might WanNa go into. There's a residency for that. There is a residency that's great so the residents are individuals. Who've completed medical school are they then considered employees of the Red Sea programmed? They receive a salary that they are. They receive a salary. They're considered employees of the hospital system that owns the residency. <hes> for example our residents that come to unsurpassed family practice are not some time employees and considering the student debt load that a lot of medical school graduates carry hat it does that the salary effect where they might WanNa go are there. Is there a different price tag with being able to go to South West Virginia versus. Maybe a large metro area. They're surely not go make enough to pay off their student knows let's put wave first and foremost they will be paid in <hes> and this is with all residency programs most residencies you expect right around. Let's say a Ballpark of fifty thousand dollars a year of course as as just be enough for that resident to live on until they get out to be a full-fledged practising physician Jerry and of course that fifty thousand is going to go a lot further in south West Virginia than it is in Northern Virginia D._C.. Suburbs oh absolutely but at at the same time the residencies may pay more there. They may pay the same Washington D._C.. They may pay sixty thousand where we pay fifty thousand so from the perspective of resident what's the difference between a university she based site today at a Teaching Hospital and a community hospital or some of the pros and cons you bring up a very interesting subject to and it's what we do here. In South West Virginia we have community based residency training programs <hes> which means that a trained that small community hospitals they train at private physicians offices and learn to practice in rural medicine Addison whereas a university based resin seniors predominantly residency that you're gonNA find like at the University of Virginia the has a hospital that's just dedicated to the medical school <hes> most most of their training or the in that point will be inside a big university hospital and it totally depends upon the resident bath as to what pursuit of training they want. If I was go practice in rule West Virginia Rove Southwest Virginia or or eastern Tennessee I'd WanNa residency program that taught me how to handle most of what I'm most see as a primary care physician in the rule setting. I'M NOT GONNA if I'm trying to university savings. I'm not going to you know at the university settings they have sub specialty support such as endocrine neurosurgery in southwest Virginia community based programs. We you have to teach them how to handle those type of situations until they can get support of of specialists which may be two years away terrace. One things we know about a rural communities is specialists often aren't there and people they say long distance or simply do without so if our primary I'll <hes> I'll give you a prime example that is the field of psychiatry sure who we have one psychiatrist that is is totally for hard for her to accepting new patients and the primary care physician did not do it and if we didn't teach our residents how to do it people in our area would not get psychiatry intervention tension and that's a sad situation but that's the truth of it. If it wasn't for the primary care physician these patients wouldn't receive psychiatry care and the and that's just one example and probably the same for pretty much any specialist. We can think of rheumatology Andrew Cohen if we didn't you know and that goes back to what I'm saying that if you won't rule Tapa practice then the best type of residency is a community based residency that we teach you how to handle the basics of these sub specialty problems so that's looking at perspective in the resident. What about the person supervising the resident? Is there a different in the process of teaching a medical graduate in a large site versus a small one. I think they are a as a as a thirty year veteran in medical education. Most of my career has been. Men in teaching rule health <hes> to these residents are these medical students are graduating. You know I have to teach them how to care for diabetes. I have to teach them how to care for schizophrenia premia whereas if I'm in a big university setting I would teach them how to refer to that sub specialty and how to do the follow up to me is two different Tapa Teaching University university-based teaching. You have the support at your fingertips community rule based training you must know how at least handle the basics of these problems the thing you can't in-house and make it easier for the patient yeah sure and you know you bring up another <hes> topic that I found in this area patients don't WanNA travel. They won't stay home. You know so they don't necessarily enjoy going to quote the big sanders. They don't want to go away eight hours up to the University of Virginia. They won't stay here with us. You know and and to give you an example of that. Ah We've got a urologist now ten to one they had rather go to this urologist then travel away to roanoke to maybe another and are just because your local and in a rural area Korea doesn't mean that you're still not good if that makes sense just because it's the big C.. Baker is not necessarily better. Mega is not always better. The grass is not always greener on the other side well. I would think you know you talked about people. Don't want to travel to get their medical care. They WANNA get stuff. Locally with you makes a lot of sense. It's time and it's money to go someplace else but I would also think for the community you'd want people to stay local in and economically keep their dollars. Luckily you don't want them to go to say Charlottesville and buy gas and buy food and get a hotel room and maybe go to the movies or go shopping. You don't want that money to leave your local community well we don't but but we don't want the burden to go onto our patients either bet what we won't be able to take good care of our patients locally and not having spend the end extraordinary large amounts of money to travel to the UNIVER- now don't give Me Round University of Virginia hips us out tremendously with having places for these patients to stay and one the things that the university does very well is coordination of care. If this patient needs a specialized Emara out the brain and needs to see a neurologist plus a neurosurgeon they are very good at coordinating net into one trip now my hat's off to them when it comes today and I'm not just trying to blow up University of Virginia but I'm telling you what I've observed as a thirty year clinical physician absolutely so is there a benefit to the community to having a role residency program what happens in a small town beyond the training of the individual well. Here's your benefit sixty to seventy percent of the kids that are call them kids because I'm much older than they are. I don't know if it's politically correct or not but let's say my students my residents that I train guess what we we retain sixty into seventy percent of those we train locally put back into our community as primary care physicians not only do we do that through our program that we have and I think thank Dr Bentley's syndrome. Essen program is is somewhat similar <hes> just memorial hospital's interim as family practice somewhat similar. We're able to put local kids local train doctors to become local family physicians and that's a big plus I if you look at the whole situation ninety percent of these kids would stay within a hundred miles or go into some. Some type of primary care underserved area and that's a big booth friis the the residents that are trained that these big tertiary care centers don't necessarily feel comfortable coming to a rural area where they're they're number. One defense the number one person the one that has to take care of everything sometimes they don't feel as comfortable as someone who's actually trained and this area absolutely you want people to understand how rural communities were cover all medicine works. How you know what we know? In rural areas you know the patient and <unk> exam room three. They might be your neighbor. They might be your aunt. They might be your school principal. They might be your Sunday school teacher. They might be all of those things at the same time yes and you know you bet training they resing here. They understand the culture of our patients and to give you an example of fear and a spell are two different things to to be honest a- and and you know and that's not putting our people down our people in this area are very very fine. Folks are very intelligently educated and I wouldn't give you nothing to swap my patients for somebody else but our our culture is unique to our area and to be able to understand that culture is tremendously benefit. If our train you in that culture I absolutely I think you know row. Virginia Rot. Rural Appalachia in general tends to be dismissed as as backwards and and sort of stuck in time but the reality is. It's not a different time. It's just a different culture a different place. That's right I one hundred percent agree with it and these people you know we owe it to our people of our community to provide the best care weekend for them and it doesn't matter that it's South West Virginia versus Charlottesville Virginia versus Knoxville Tennessee. They deserve our best and I tried to instill that into ever resident eh no matter what while Coupla few come from you give that patient a hundred and twenty percent each time you face them so if there is a community that wanted to grow their own in culturally competent row residence if if a small hospital wanted to start a residency program what would it need to do. Is there some sort of certification process. Oh yes I it's a I've had the distinct pleasure of starting to reprograms from scratch <hes> <hes> started internal mass and that no community hospital I was founding back in those days. We called IT Director Medical Education <hes> I founded a internal medicine program which still exists they're under the leadership of Dr Jody Bit me who was my second was in my second class of residents from <hes> Pat Vo Oh college school fostered by the mess at that time and <hes> he's now the current de may but you know to start a program from scratch takes a huge commitment from the hospital system techs accuse commitment from the faculty that you're going to recruit but it is very tedious and long process. We must submit applications to the A. C. G. M. E. which is the American College Graduate Message Gatien who certifies all teaching programs and I it's a very lengthy. It's a very S- pensive application process and you have after have someone who's had time experience and knows how to start these programs just putting in that locations once stale. You've got to develop your faculty. You've got to educate. Your faculty had to teach you got to educate the hospital. Some hospitals have been resident set a new thing for them but you let same hospital have these residents for six months and they will come in shoot you if you try to take him away. That's how much they you know depend on them then but it is a it's a very hard posse us and it's not over not to do this. It takes many many many days many grey hairs and that's why I'm completely what it now but it does allow time commitment basic so that the programs that you started David how they evolved over the years well the internal medicine that started that Jodi Bentley now has it he I was founding director <unk> education in that started that program and two thousand two I think and that program has been very successful still is a very successful program under his leadership. We're <HES> under the ballot healthcare system. We're having a very good start at collaboration between all the programs that balance has and <hes> this programs up and running in his thirty residents a year <hes> which I'm very proud of Doctor Bentley's done a great job with it after I left and <hes> the continues to grow in do well we also at that time <hes> had a family practice but that wasn't much interesting family practice at that time when I started internal medicine and so that program was closed and all the residents was merged into the internal medicine program that again still exists to this time we've also got the lonesome Pan family practice residency that I started and that was in two thousand eight <hes> The tat one was started and <hes> it's a very robust program. It has eighteen residents six a year. It's got one hundred percent pass rate on a family practice. <hes> boards and again retained retains sixty to seventy percent of our graduates into local practice as practicing positions year so yes both of those programs are up and running wail and doing extremely well. I think ballots should be very proud of rule based programs and <hes> we've seen a lot of support from ballot for our programs absolutely when you think about you know what it means when you say you six people year maybe be sixty percent staying in the area so that's you know four to five new physicians a year in communities that are traditionally healthcare professionals shortage areas they just do not have the number of providers that they need yes yeah and and I cannot recruit a quality resident that I have in my program. I just can't recruit that Cowper of resident to this area without them being trained range year whereas we're training our next generation who are great kids their great physicians they they contributed tremendous to the community. I cannot recruit a physician. I'm from New York or wherever that will still have the same standards that these residents have when they come out training yeah real passion for the community and the people in it yes yes yes ma'am so thinking yeah about that community. You know one of the things I know with healthcare professionals in our rural communities is you're very much a big fish in a small pond and subject to <hes> Oh oversight it from people who might not necessarily be your supervisors but you're definitely on display so to say oh absolutely and you know our residents are tending position our faculties you. You now you may seem at the football game as a sideline physician. You know we try to get involved in the communities best you know as best we can and to give an example to Tuesday ago we down school fiscal's completely free used our time our equipment for approximately two hundred students and that was a free was a free service that that we're glad to offer our community you know and it does a couple of things and I'll be honest with you. I'm kind of selfish but it gives exposure to my my residents to the community <hes> it gives the community and I think this is more important exposure to my residents who may have never come in contact with the resident physician if I hadn't done that so we like doing that you know we we also help support the C._N._N.. Treat program that <hes> looks for female <hes> care <hes> mammographies PAP smear. <hes> you know female type of cancers we participate in that along with the <hes> <hes> Norton Internal Medicine Residency Program we come together as one unit and help supply the need of our female patients in our community. If a medical student who who is interested in rural healthcare came to you for advice on how to prepare for residency. What would you tell that person come up and spend a month with me? Come into a rotation with me. Let me show Oh you have we do it. Let's have some fun. <hes> you know. I tell the residents our time. Medicine Still Fun is still fun for me. It's fun for me to teach you. I know if I wasn't a teaching physician to be honest with you. I don't think I would be as enthusiastic as I am sitting here today in a someone in a community was concerned about the lack of healthcare professionals nationals in their small town in their role county. What could they do to address that situation? What steps could they take that can support residency programs and what I mean by that become a patient of a residency Z. Clinic but trains he's raised? That's my patients when they come here. They know they belong to me but they enjoy teaching young residents. They enjoy you know I've got patience has been with me thirty years that knows look at that and say well Dr Knight. Won't you look at the chart but here's my symptoms. He won't you to try to figure this out. They know as much about teaching wrist and says I do and they get a big fulfillment out there so I you know so I challenged people in the community to the teaching residency clinics not get to know the young doctors get to participate in the care that they give patients and and most important be able took participate in the education of these restaurants patients. Some patients do particularly they. They know that they're contributing to the education of these residents. They know that they have a rare disease Aziz. They know how to teach that disease state as well as I do because they've here twenty years of practice they feud me. Give the lecture twenty years absolutely this is great and if you could do anything what would you do to improve health and health care in rural America. Do what we're doing now. Tom's two more residency programs in rural communities for everybody. Yes it you know and and there is rule residencies that are needed which is another thirty minute thirty me broadcast if he won't get into that but again to give you an example we need to start a psychiatry residency. We need to to start a addiction medicine fellowship. You know that's just too right off the top of my head that our community don't have that we feel to the same system that we're doing now. Are we'll save that for another podcast for another day all right well. Thank you Dr Night. I appreciate you joining me today. Oh thank you that's Dr Marie Snyder of Lonesome Pine Hospital advocating the benefits of training.

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Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

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WWHL @ Home:Eboni K. Williams & Casey Wilson

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You welcome your host. Andy cohen with two guys who always hold court and they're ready to weigh in with all their rony judgments. My first guest is a lawyer. Broadcaster real housewives of new york city and sonia relationship fix her. Please welcome eddie. Williams ebony become great to see you. My next guest stars on black. Monday sundays at ten on showtime and. She's a monday morning quarterback for rony her book. The wreckage of my presence is out now. It is so funny you guys. I cannot recommend this book higher. It is casey rose wilson rate to see you and great to have you now casey. Of course you remember being on watch. what happens. Live with ramona singer. But does ramona remember. Watch this clip from when she was on our show in july will ramon who this is no no she is. She is a housewife superfan. Name casey wilson. She's she appeared on. Watch what happens. Live reaction an honor. Yes honor honestly. I love it. I mean you remembered me. That would be a problem i think. Yeah what would it mean if she remembered you that has all sorts of implications. Actually i think it would mean something was very wrong with ramona. That she'd grown or changed. And i don't want that for her. There you go well speaking of growing and changing. I wanna get into questions about tonight's episode. God where to begin where to begin. I guess every. I'm interested in. I'm interested in your reaction to seeing leah and heather in the bus or van at the end of the show. Liam came in hot as she threw some flowers. I mean do you regret saying what you said to leah to kind of instigate that or where are you at with this. Yeah i'll say that what we saw the end of the episode. Andy as you know was just the beginning of the lien ever throwdown. I do regret what i said. Only because i had no idea that lee as i affectionately call. Her was going to call the way that she did. And you know what i mean and the reality is i did have my own feeling and perspective about leia's decision or at least contemplation. Rather whether or not she was gonna vote in. And we're so close. And what i love about lia and i- relationship is we loved each other enough to create space for us to be grown asked women and adult. They make our own decisions. So i probably could have expressed that without attaching heather component. Which just said it. All casey your reaction to leah versus. Heather ooh tough one. I feel like right off the bat. I knew this was going to be trouble. I personally did not want their back. I don't know why she's with us. And that's no disrespect to you andrew cohen but i am interested to see how it plays out. I am lee were you. How did you feel by the way. I mean watching it. It seemed like heather actually was helpful in the mediation of the sensitive issues. Earlier in the episode. Did you find that to be or not andrew. I think i'm just gonna call you that long by i. Didn't i think her intention was to be helpful. I wanna give her that much but actually found her to be extremely unhelpful unproductive. A came across to me. Andy like she was trying to kind of white splaine or translate for me and one thing i do. Criminal well is communicate effectively. Do speaking different language you feel or did you feel in the place. We are now in the series in a good place with luan and ramona. After all of what you had all of the places that you were lose house in sag. Did you feel at the end of this episode in a better place with lou better than leaving our house. Yes sure sure sure but not much better but not not that much better. Okay it was. I need to see more india. Okay how were you in lieu now. I'm not ideal. i guess. Uncuffed uncomfortably silence. Okay it's how stable all right. We'll casey when you're not starring in a show about the stock market. You're investing all your resources into bravo. So i want to get your thoughts on the latest drama. All over the bravo's fear in new york. Why do you think raimondo feels so uncomfortable every time a conversation turns to sex and human genitalia. I think my take is that ramona is so obsessed with sex that she's kind of a president throws stones the way like a gay closeted congressman critical of the lgbtq community. That's what i think is going on with. Ramon if i may interesting in beverly hills from sharing childhood stories to sipping energy drinks at one a m favorite kathy hilton moment so far i understand. You have an impression i do. My favorite moment is when cathy who is a queen she's an icon. She is the moment to quote wendy williams when she said i thought you were old. I loved kathy. Where's she been. And i have a question for you and i hate to be rude andy. But we've had to sucker through teddy when we had kathy all along. We had kathy just sitting right in front of us. You know what you have to climb the mountain to ski down at my friend your anger. Shahs of sunset reaction. Mj saying she promised. Tommy raza would never meet baby shams. Look i love. Tommy resumes one of my favorite reality characters. It was hard to hear. But the footage kirti footage of tommy wrecking resins. Landscaping should have been submitted to sundance. It was gorgeous footage. And but i understand why. There's still some hurt feelings. Back in beverly hills thoughts on sutton's dramatic reaction to the bottoms up prank. Do you agree with crystal that. She is a ridiculous person. she's the most ridiculous person i've ever seen. She was blaming her delicate lagged or a bird bones for crystal giving her a small cake. I hate that. I hate to be rude but i i don't eat to be. I her new york reaction to leah's anger toward heather for insisting leah's should vote in the election. Look you knew. I love it. Did disturb me a bit. I don't like that mindset of like. I'm so angry. I'm not gonna do anything about this so that did bother me sawyer understood where we're coming from. Even though again. I think i spoke freely about my feelings about mama. Okay thank you very much. I appreciate it Everybody you implied that if you were heather's lawyer during the hamptons dinner your strategy is j. D. would have been telling her to s. t. Afew the so. I wanna play opened up lawyer up. I have shaded questions about your pals. Tell us the truth or plead the fifth. Do you think ramona truly understands why the term the help is so offensive l. No she needs to lawyer up. Is lou guilty of poaching guys. Sonya had first percents definitely needs to lawyer. Was your buddy leah. Unfairly unwelcoming to have their was doing a lot. I think eventually there was a good reason but she was a little you think. Do you think ramona's really uncomfortable talking about sex. What would you gases her. Freak number twenty five thousand. What is your honest opinion of. Lia's fashion choices loveliest fashion. It's my complete opposite and let live on here. Casey rose wilson leah's fashions go. You know the bucket hat and the little black hat with the furry meeting wasn't my favorite. But i agree with any letter lives. She's fun i- lovely ebony. Is sonia jealous of lou because she wishes she had a garth or do you believe that. She's just envious of the time he takes her think. Garth is sonia's type. Actually so now i don't think she's jealous. I think she really possessive. She loves her brands. You love she loves lou. And i really think she just wants lou waters age. Old question would like casey roses Input on this too. Is lou guilty of knowing full. Well the tom terrorists was right across from renew apartment. Casey of course she knew she and her cowl neck sweaters new and still going to stand by previous take which is i. Don't think she knew only because again. I don't know where my ex husband lives. What stadium so i do believe. It's possible that luke could not know where thomas. Thank you very much for playing. I really appreciate it casey. Thomas h wants to know who's legal battle. You are most anticipating watching play out on tv. Gen shaw or erica girardi. That's so hard. I think gen shah only because i don't trust the erica will give us what we need. I have a feeling you're going to be surprised. Let's go to the virtual audience. Lada by the way casey. What did you think of everyone's talent. Russell's la la la very fake. They know their skill fed. Lewanda has a question for abadi. What is it luana. Hi andy anthony. And casey you guys look great. Happy happy bride. I question is so much was happening after a. What did you think of lia calling. Everyone hopes oh fright that kind of got lost. Leah's breakdown calling everyone. Hose that that kind of got so much else happened that that became. That didn't really exist. What did you think of any. And isn't that interesting. Andy they did get lost in the sauce. I you know. I a holiday girly. After the fact i was like yo sis. I'm not like a hole in my life. Currently you know what i mean so i really think that she was just got up in the moment. She did apologize. Obviously i didn't mean you you know. Impact for the sake of communication impact. Andy others. Okay being lumped in the whole category it was thought it was well worth it all right. Here's hollywood the question for casey. So what was it like working in having sex scene with britney spears's boyfriend and as a follow up saving britain mentioned you. Wow thank you for that gorgeous question and you bear resemblance to i was thinking actually. Yeah beautiful beautiful. I you know. Working with sam scarring. He has an incredible body. And mainly i was just disturbed by husband. Wrote a sex scene of me as a four year. Old mom being taken from behind by britney's boyfriend it was powerful and i'm expecting emmy nomination and i better have one and look. I wanted to ask so much about britney. But i wanted to be respectful of my co stars so i pretended i was an alien who had just kind of come down touched on earth and i didn't know anything about pop music. I don't even all i know is my craft and my acting so i didn't get what i wanted but but that's okay very good. Thanks virtual audience. And if you want to read more about casey being taken from behind there's more in this in her book okay. Which bank to us and leah's fashion choices. Maybe matters of opinion but one topic should require deliberation at all whether a bravo guy is delfi. Not dill fee. How casey and ebony. I'm going to present you with bravo man. Please issue your verdict. Okay gylfi or not delfi. Juan dixon ebony k williams. Oh definitely deal awful. A basketball fan lit up at the university of maryland. Casey congratulations robin. Yeah congratulations robin. How you number one. How you'd be Okay gylfi or not till fee joe benigno. Casey rose wilson dam. I have a soft spot. Okay avenue everybody not deal fee for me but i respect casey's selection. I respect everyone in life. Not delfi for me for the moment till fear. Not till fee. Tommy fights ebony k williams say gylfi only because i do not attractive wise but i love man that stands up for his fanta. Wow casey sure. I'm gonna feed gylfi and here's why i liked in the episode where he was doing a gratitude list. He gave gratitude for his wife caboose. He'll be. I think his attitude is still fee. But i okay delfi or not. Dr daddy damon times. Everybody number one rather husband gylfi fate. All that's a man that loves. His wife loves family and he's smart. Yes dr david dan casey. I'm gonna give gylfi. I like daddy involved. I wanna give. I'm gonna give villafane. I know i'm throwing out these duties really be i've the attitude is still fee but yeah. Oh you're andy haden. I'm just playing till fear not delfi. Okay paul kevin sleeve. Pk ebony it's going to be a no for me. Okay kc. It's going to be a not guilty. Andy jolly joker. I'm going to do the same. Okay frank cassandra's senior. Do it for me. I know you popular opinion. Kc i'm going to give him a gop for for giving spongebob his ex wife's lover. I okay. I'm gonna do that to last. Stop jack's taylor. The age old question ebony pale know anything else. Okay case rose wilson disgusting. I'm going to say early. Jack's delfi all right. Thank you. I know i did a little. I know but i have more consequences here by the way avenue so much happening. Tonight's episode. is there anything else you wanted to get off your chest or clear up. Want people to know. I just want people to know that. I'm excited about the conversations that our episodes have sparked i think they're super positive and important and you saw ladies at the view had a really go plan and forward. Happy pride awesome. Well that's i mean you and lou were on together. Yeah and still. yeah. I silence deafening. I thought so too. I thought that was a great segment. So that's why i was. Maybe a little taken back at the beginning of the episode. When you said maybe you didn't know if you were cool right now. Well only because silence is deafening. Andy so we have to see where that takes us. I'm wide open though okay. Numbers the same and we'll see how it how it goes. Got it You and ramona have been hanging out. We had leah remote. And i had a fabulous dinner at industry which shutout took hose one of my favorite shows and life Just concluded and i literally. We picked into shane to honor her so gray. I love it. I love indo. She and casey you are known for happy endings. End this show with some hotcakes. That may make some viewers unhappy. It's time for. That's my unpopular opinion. Case is going to share three of her strongest stances about the housewives that may force you to stand alone. What's your first one casey. Okay my first. One is that with all due respect to sonia top two favorite housewives. I don't think it's talked enough. We don't discuss enough the fact that she was only married to mr morgan for six years the way she's behaving it's fifty and i heard we're only to more things for like half the length of time of a marriage when she put three but i feel we're actually doing it about the time and again i i am sensitive and i mourn things too but i just want her to try to move on and i don't. I don't know that the crystal hiller is in is the only person we should have an bench in terms of moving forward. Okay and i do bank bitch. I'm on the pitch casey. Okay okay okay feet here. That number two. I'm ready for kyle and eric hygiene. I'm sorry knock kyle. I'm ready at least renna. And eric possibly on down the road a piece because i just feel like For lisa she's really not sharing for south. It's really weird. I find her to be very kind of like practiced in stirring things up. But they're not letting us into her life. I'd like to know more about scott sick and her daughter. And i don't feel even getting that going you're going to. You're going to get it okay. These are hot takes. I didn't say i was no. That's okay that's good. I like we love them. Okay number three. I'm trying to remember my third one. Honestly okay. I'm gonna say that. I don't think this is a hot. But i'm ready for the murder mysteries to come to a close. I am to the murder mystery dinners. I am to trust me. I'm i'm very upset about them. Thank you that is not a hot. Take that's correct. Take i want to thank you for being. We're going to go live to our after show on twitter right now tomorrow night. Kyle richardson. paul scheer. Thanks you too. We'll see on the after the apple show avenue k. williams. And casey wilson casey show black. Monday is sundays at ten on show time and you can get her book. The wreckage of my presence out now audience. Anyone else have a question for ebony. Or kc rose wilson the woman on the bottom right. Let's talk to you in the red. Hello hi. I'm pretty from new jersey and my questions for ebony hi. I'm curious if you've ever met or hung out with during data okay. I've not hung out with rent but to render was very. I think classy and kind when i was announced as a new housewife for new york during the end me said that she wishes me well. She wished that we could've had a chance to work together. Meet and that she felt i would kill it so i thought that was a very class. Act move very good very good question. Who else has a question for casey. Or yes the gentlemen up there in the yellow polka dot top high. Akc honestly honored to be on this episode with you guys. Huge bitch sess fan and not never tag anybody. But i would like to hear who you would like to marry sleep with or kill on the newest additions of housewives. Will you have to give her three. You have to give her three choices. Okay yeah you're right. You're right you're right. Thank you still okay. Andy oursel- right and ebony crystal garcia bell ebony. Mary shag kill. Oh gosh how can you do this. Okay with ebony. I'm going to marry because we can have lifelong love affair and relationship. God i really like crystal. And i'm attracted to her so i'll say i'll have sex with crystal and then who was my third option. I don't wanna kill oursel- will have to kill sir. Hey i mean. I have to kill someone but not feel okay. Feels bad Anyone else in the audience. Yes the gentleman on the bottom a row in the blue. Hi oh hi okay. Hi first of all my questions for ebony kc bitch sash But ebony. I have a question. My question is when you said at the table quite frankly unlike like the most educated person here which is the fact. You're you're you have a job. Who at the table would be the educated shady mother. At what time you said least educating us so formerly it would be my friend we sweetie and i say that we are all set and what i love about rea-. She doesn't have a lot of paperwork and diplomas and all that she's a boss. And we all know that intelligence and formal education work ethic approval. Education are not the same thing so she for with the paperwork and she's still got it done. Okay can i ask ebony. Are you impressed with my. Bfa in acting in an unfinished women's studies minor at nyu extremely impressment petition. But school of arts does a play on here for you. Yeah thank you okay. One more question from the audience. Yes the woman on the bottom left high high since you're all established authors. When are your next books coming out. Stay tuned for me. Stay tuned stay tuned forever to and cases. You can get right now and you got by this book. It's really yeah I wanna thank ebony. Williams and casey wilson and are fine audience for more. Click around dot com goodnight. 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Sean Hayes & Tatiana Maslany - 11/26/18

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

29:05 min | 2 years ago

Sean Hayes & Tatiana Maslany - 11/26/18

"Welcome to the Bravo. Clubhouse for the podcast division of watch. What happens live with me? Andy cohen. Hey, everybody, it's Andy. And I'm here in the clubhouse. We have the star of orphan black. Tatyana? Shoot got her last name. Oh my God. Maze. Lonnie tatyana. You guys are going to be here with me while I learned her last name. I know who she is Tatyana. Mas Lonnie is that it hold on you guys. Well, she's on with Sean Hayes from willing grace. I do know that Tatyana Muslameen. I got it. Right. I mean, you know, what? Most hosts would erase over them not knowing their Gus last name. I'm I'm gonna go ahead and lean into it. And just be real with y'all. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, Sean and Tatyana coming up in the clubhouse. You know, I feel like I say every night that it's going to be great is tonight going to be great. I figured it'll be I think it'll be close to great. It might be great could be unexpected. I'm not going to drink tonight. I'm a little overweight right now some trying to cut back a little bit. Where look at me. No. I really am telling you. In my head, which is the worst place to be you think I need a haircut. Really why off the top? I'm kinda growing it on of the sides. Oh in a bit on the top. Okay. Really? Okay. Caroline, my makeup artists thinks that I know I have gained weight. That's why I think I've gained weight right anyway. All right. Well, there you go. We covered a lot tonight. Tatyana? Mas Lonnie, the show is going to be close to great. I look fat lots discussed if you haven't watched the Clinton affair on. Any? It's really good. You guys. I just watched like two hours before I got here. I feel really I feel like Linda Tripp and Lucienne Goldberg are very vile people. Okay. That's my last word. See ya. She wants played a young version of a Helen Mirren character, which funnily enough is how I've always described him. It's what's whatever's. I would Tatyana lasagna Sean as now. I'm your host. Andy Cohen live in the clubhouse on a Monday night with orphan black meets just sorry. I guess is an EMMY winning actress who's multiple roles on Arpan black orphan black. We're the best thing that happened to clone since Barbra Streisand, duplicated her dog Sammy her upcoming film. Destroy your hits theaters Christmas day in New York, and I'll a nationwide January. Please welcome for the first time Tatyana Lonny. Talented actor producer whose debut picture book Plum is the perfect gift. Or if you're like me adults who enjoy a nice picture to word ratio say hi to Sean as. You know? Well, I'm happy to introduce you, and I have someone buying the bar who you do know that only Shawn's Plum co author. He's also his lover say, I Sean husband. How you doing J? Scotty. I'm good. I'm good. I'm an author now. So should be author. Scotty. DJ scout. He's still stuck behind a desk. I still. Yeah. Of course what Sean annoying habit. Oh god. Oh, well, I would say being on his phone. Oh, I did not know that. You just gross area. Yeah. Growth area before we get to those. Here's three thanks. I am obsessed with tonight. I we are also excited to celebrate Christmas by seeing the dark thriller destroyer, which stars my guess Tatyana and the amazing, Nicole Kidman. So here's what Tatyana since my staff, and I are fervent Nicole kid- stands. I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to ask you some questions as mandated on page seventeen of the Nicole Kidman if Festa. What does the call smelly, strawberries, what food is Nicole Enid craft serves also on beyond like Nicole's trailer dole soft lighting there were a lot of women in there. When I walked in. What was the last text you Nicole sent to each other? You up. What is Nicole prettiest feature up close? Oh my gosh. Her spirit did Nicole give the crew raft. Get a wrapped gift if so what was it headphones? Ooh. Nice. What was drunk, Nicole? Like at your rap party just belligerent bullet. Sure. Sure. Does she have any pre seen rituals? She was growling choose ground. Yeah. How strong is her shakes so firm. She's very strong. Wow. That's real did. Keith urban visit the set. Yes. I stood behind him to get tacos. Really? Wow. I know we're we're showing. All right. What is your favorite Nicole Kidman movie besides destroy her Moulin Rouge? Wow. Oh, yeah. Least favorite bewitched. I know. I'm just kidding. Second. It's hard to believe willing grace from your twenty years ago. But I imagine that means that Shah Sean is now closer to his co stars. Then Karen Walker is to her pills. So here's what it's time for will and face the heads of the gay some foursome will appear on the screen below. I will ask you questions, and you will pick your answers between Debra messing, Eric McCormack. Megan Malala and yourself. Who gets the most drunk at cast parties. God at the time between Eric and Deb. Okay. Who depends on their assistant the most. Oh god. I can't I don't know. That's so racy the girls. Okay. The girls who does the crew like the most? Jimmy Burrows to me. He's the checks most likely to pick up the dinner Bill me really most likely to start laughing during a serious seen. Oh for hands down me. Otherwise. Otherwise, I'll cry Massias dressing room. The Messia dressing room is Deborah messy who's on their phone. I don't know if that's just on their phone the most Remagen, Molly that will be Megan Malala. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. There you go who made the most effort of this group to stay in touch with everyone when the show took a break. We'll be the most ever to stay in touch. Yeah. All of us, really. Who was last person you texted from this group? And what was it about Debra messing about her -cation that she's on right now? Thank you for. She having fun. Yeah. Yeah. She's in the Dominican Republic. Oh, well, yeah. I know she had asked not to reveal where she was. Just kidding. She's since moved location. Finally, Tatyana, and Sean or both so good characters and impersonations. I can't help. But wonder what they will think of my James, Lipton alone. I'm wearing a turtleneck to just James Lipton. Wear turtlenecks Abed to bed. Here's what let's out with outside the actor studio. I'll ask you questions at a professional and soothing voice. Yana named one celebrity you think should or should not be cloned. And why? Nicki Menaj is the first person I think she should. Yes. Nikki, okay, Sean, if you had to go without oral sex or cheese for the rest of your life, which would you choose and don't forget your husband is right over there. So you're decision will impact him one way or another. Well, there's such a fine line between both I know. This is so insane. What would I do? What would I prefer to do? Yeah. If you had to go without oral sex or cheese. Well, I picked cheese, obviously, she's you would go without cheese or you could go really and just bang cheese. You sure Swiss cheese, right? Exactly. Okay. Tatyana? What was your first concert? Canadian band called Our Lady peace. Wow. Grunge O's. Very oh my God. It was Grindley shawnee. What was your first concert? Tina turner. Are you? That's really good. Hey, happy birthday Tina Turner, by the way, she's seventy nine. For a fact could miss charter is watching the broadcast. That's. Thanks. You couldn't because she's in our car. Yes. Has she ever been willing vase? No, she's literally the only person and you. Yeah. Okay. Tatyana cake or pie. Hi. Oh. The long I regretted as soon as I said, it Sean Hayes would you rather be alone for the rest of your life or always be surrounded by annoying people. Why do I get the hard because alone for the rest of my life? I run by knowing people alone. I agree. Thanks, sean. Okay. Let's go to the phones. Candice from Sarasota, Florida Candice. Hi, Eddie Cohen. My question is for Sean. Okay. Sean. What would Jack's housewife's tagline be? Oh, what would Jack's house tagline? Thing. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do it to your camera, babe. Okay. Wait, I'm as gazed three dollar Bill. Just call me. Bill gates. Good. That's. Oh my God. Let's go to Eric from Los Angeles. Hey, eric. What's your question for Tatyana high questions for Tatyana? I I wanted to ask you your partner. Tom is BFF's kit Harrington was wondering do you have any game of thrones spoilers? Yeah. Do you get game thrones spoilers sent them? But I can't give them, but you do get. No, I don't know anything about game of thrones. Do you watch game of thrones? Really? Me neither months ago and abroad cut up. Oh, guess what? I've never seen it. Either. Edible. You want to know? The saddest reason why haven't seen it many times. I've been waiting until I take a lover because I feel like we'll watch it together. Take him where this now. So since you, and I haven't seen that do they? Would you happy with the ending of orphan black? Sure. Yeah. I mean, I think we ended on our own terms, which is great. Yeah. There's a Canadian flag right there. Yeah. Just camera. Yeah. So yeah, it was good that we were the plug wasn't pulled on us to end it. Sean. Elaine Kay wants to know what was really going through your head during your will. And grace cast interview with Megan Kelly. Oh my gosh. That was amazing. That was her her very first show. Was that her first show? I was very first show. And yeah, I was stuck a little cord. But I'm look I wrote the bunches do that's why you're here. We'll thank you. Yes. Danny from New York's on the line. Hey, daddy. What's your question? Colin huge fan on the fan of yours. My question is pursuing h-have. Okay. Anything that you had to bring back. Yes. My spirit. No, I'm kidding. Yes. The very last episode of into thousand six when it ended the first time we all got to pick something from the set. And I picked a little a framed photo off the wall, that's kind of back towards wills bedroom. I don't have to be a super fan to know what it was. But yeah. Okay. Let's go to Mark from New York. Hey, Mark what your question? Hey Marquis there. This going, Greg. So what is your biggest pet peeve with audiences? And now that you're in previews are they behaving themselves or their phones going off. There have been some phones. But there's also been some like Trump, Trump, Trump Trump fans that manifest loud thing that happens at the end of the show after the bows and everything that always reveals like who the audience was who the audience is. Yeah. You'll see it. If you good I'm coming. Are you loving working with Bryan, Cranston? I love it. Yeah. He's amazing. Every night is different. And he's so like present and alive, and he's just conic. It's I can't wait to see it. New York is back on the line. Mark what your question Andy on? My question is. Tatyana? Did you ever be done away before starting to play? I haven't you know of what if she's there? God she's going to be there opening night. She moved back to New York. I hope she throws it tomato at my. Thank you. I she does to what an honor. Thank you very much. Let's go to Ellis from North Carolina. Hey ellis. What your question I love that name. Hey LSU there. Look there's a storm outside. So I know it's a storm outside. Do you think this do you think this storm is is messing with our phones? I maybe a least be wants to know Tatyana out of all of your clones, which was your favorite and least favorite to play on orphan block favorite with Helana. Who was like, oh one person? She was a serial killer from the Ukraine who ate everything in sight. Yes. What's not fun about that? But exact absolutely, okay. You guys. It is game time. Amy Schumer is such a fan of Tatyana 's work that she named her dog Tatyana Sahni. Here's the dog. But I'm not the least bit jealous because my gut says Amy's naming her first born Andrew Cohen Schumer anyway, so an honor of Amy's A-List dog we're gonna play. I'm gonna show you photos of Matz, and you just both have to try to guess their monikers. I will give you a multiple choice. Okay. I is this Pino. Greasy omer. No or short. I guess you're playing against to say there's something quick classy about the way that Chardonnay is looking I think it shared may even though she's sitting in about. He's. Okay. Is this piper Magnus or Brooklyn? She'd be it looks rough and tough kind. So maybe rookie too little hand. Okay. You're playing. You're playing against each other. You don't have to agree is this taco pancake or carrot. What do you think this game's carrot for Sean means they got to see it is taco? Okay. Is this Luther glitter or Leo shawny say Luther Tatyana, I'm gonna go. Leo. It's Leo talk to you. Is this Morris? Just not Terrence Howard, John Travolta. So cute, Sean. So I'm going to say it's more strict talk to you, Mr. Terrence Howard, Sean gets the point. This dog, Percy Beasley or peaches, Sean. I'm going to say Beasley Tatyana Hersi. It's biz busy. Sammy poppy or Bessie, I'm gonna say Betsy. Kiana fine. I'll say poppy, it's Vesey. Sean. You're going to do one more is this looser gusts or north? Why is game? So fun. We Norman for heaven. I'm gonna say Luther it is Gus. Sean wins the game. Where did you to me? He used to be the DJ on the Ellen Degeneres talk show. And then so I was a fan of his and he came to some tapes. And we'll Gracie was a fan of mine, and I was really healthy to date fans. Tatyana Darren e wants to know if you've ever gotten a chance to tell general Rolands that our performance in a woman under the influences, the reason, you're an actress they have not you haven't absolutely died to think she's watching tonight. Jenna your performance in women under the influence is the reason I'm an actor. And thank you for watching tonight. I know I she's not watching. But I think we'll send. Here doorbell. So this is the story of how the sugar Plum fairy got her weighing. Yeah. Yeah. It's an origin story of the sugar Plum fairy from the nutcracker, so ETA Hoffman's insane wonderful story is this kind of her Baxter where she comes from. Did you have to like get rights to that? I was doing really well. Yeah. Bad news. Oh, no. That's great. It's very sweet. Because everyone knows that. But they don't know the backstory, right? Well, it's like wicked. It's totally like wicked. I can't wait to see the musical to doing the musical short. Two nights. Jack hall goes to the president of said he's read some of his own administration's comprehensive climate change report. But he doesn't believe it. Okay. You don't believe in climate change the Christmas trees in the White House. Have heard bud read what other signed do you need? Yes. Those those are the Christmas trees that the White House. Yeah. They were they were. They were unveiled today. Game of thrones. Their blood red. We don't understand Gorz gaming gore. Do you think we'll like a throne says, yes, it's fascinating. Scott. Janas Lonnie stars in. Theaters movie, destroyers theaters, December twenty fifth in New York and LA and nationwide in January. I know that month, Sean is debut picture book Plum is written by Sean and his husband sky. Behind the bar. Scott did all the stray Sion's in the book. Oh, right. And guess what not to be too Oprah? Everyone in the audience is going on with the book. I don't think anybody could ever be to Oprah. You have really I agree has been on willing grace. No, oh, no. Maybe she should maybe should all three on three. Sean Hanna w wants no looking back to you regret selling your porch. So quickly. We're the first one in the group to sell. So when the show became a hit out see very graciously the four of us Porsches as a way to say, thank you for making the show hit, and I was just had a brand new job and being an actor for the first time in a TV show. So it was like what do I need a car for any put my rent? So I sold it. So I could pay my rent, and so no, I do not regret it. Okay. By e wants to know touchy on twenty seventeen year partner, Tom said jokingly that he was waiting for you to put a ring on it any hope date on that on the old marriage. Yeah, we love. No. We don't. I'm I'm gonna wait for him to put a ring on it this year. Yeah. Let's go to the phones. It's Ellis from North Carolina. Did we not already talked to try to? Oh, hey ls. We tried. Oh. What's up? Why are you laughing? You know, my audience been drinking all night there northern. Just wondering from shown a no you did the first book that you just did. Are you going to the other characters up the book or the play? Yeah. For sure I the the the idea is if this goes, well, and it's planned. Yeah. We want explore the idea of creating other back stories of the characters from the nutcracker as well. Well, very cool. Okay. Let's go to candidates from Boston eight Candice what your question. Hi, andy. I love you. My question. Protect Yana, which of the line. I'm sorry, which of your clones, do you think the the best housewife Aaron what would their tagline be? Oh, you did a bunch of tag lines, Marie Claire magazine. That was very funny. I think Alison would probably be the most likely or crystal which was Allison was that was a housewife the house white. There you go. Suburban house. So her or crystal who is the manicurist. I would assume right. Okay. Probably. I think that's good. Okay. Let's go to Ellen from Ohio. Hey, L in what's your question high? I just first of all I just want to say thank you to Sean Hayes and the cast in the production crew for putting willing grace to begin with. It came out nineteen ninety eight. My son was six my daughter was one we watched it every week became our favorite show. And when my sister later came out, my son and daughter like and. That's the best. Thank you. And that's the biggest and best reward of doing the job for real is. It's it's wonderful have a gig as an actor. But the by product of that is you know is priceless. I agree. Absolutely priceless. I always teach everybody my kids lead to be very normal or need Sherapi, but they're very normal normal people. Go to therapy to. He told me I was normal. Anyway, what your question Ellen? Question is for both of them. I know growing up we all have these dreams. But what did they want to be? When they grew up. I wanted to be a referee because they look like zebra. That's a. Amazing. That's great. I wanted to work the rides at theme park her. Them. All again. Let's go to Jeddah penguin island. Jenna what your question? Hi, andy. Oh, wait. I just wanted to tell your mind dream last night. And I was sitting next to you at the Oscars. Many left halfway through with fed midler. I loved that. I know we add party. Oh my God. That's amazing. Thank you. My questions for Sean. I wanna know, what's your favorite all time, jacking, Karen moment. Probably we had a little. There was an episode where Jack had to get off of caffeine and she had quit alcohol. We were both going crazy. We slap the crap out of. Jesse? Jeez. Said don't you think the reboot should have been titled Jack? And Karen since will and grace got the title for eight seasons already that sure makes co-stars feel good. So. Now, the show is always been willing grace grace that was that that is the heart of the show. I think let's go to Matt from Florida. What's your question? Hi there. Andy have your show my actually for both of them. And it is what is the most awkward embarrassing thing. That's happened on the set. Oh this moment right now. Yeah. I have one of quick one. I did I did this movie called the bucket lists with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman. And so it was my first day, and I was in the front of a seat, and they pulled the windshield out the Cameron and those two are in the back, and they Jack was winning his lines Morgan was kind of running lines. Nobody was talking in my head. I'm like crack a joke now, not try. I did my first day. So I turned around, and I said, hey one day when you guys make it big you could sit in the front. Nothing. And then I call them the two captain's cabin Jack and cap Morgan, and we became best friends. Did you call them totally cute, by the way? I love your shoes things like. Super cute here. Did you think of one I almost saying Rouge walking pass Nicole can just was like, really? Yeah. That would have been really bad thing. All right. I want to talk to you on Sean. Catch Sean cook. With this husband, Scott. Wait before you go. Here's a steak beat Andrew rules. Right now, you're not invited to any events this summer from Britain. And I that's I know FOX. Infringe off in a one time and keep them on. His I understand do anything lead her trying for everyone. What is your problem? I made a mistake. And I said something that was very hard to lemony mistakes to have long life slumps to the along summer for you, buddy. Thanks for listening to the podcast everybody. Hope you enjoyed the show. Remember, new episodes? Go live Monday through Friday at four PM eastern time. Make sure you're subscribed. Have a great rest of your night.

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Part1:Dick Powell

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:01:24 hr | 3 months ago

Part1:Dick Powell

"Raises with steve. Big rigs becoming interviews. This is adalina steve. A very good thursday race fans serious to nineteen exempt to a one sports on nine sixty. Four if you're listening to siriusxm online at our websites the big dot com and it. It took a little longer than maybe expected. If you were if you were kind of waiting into saturday's overnights and then The the fields and and printing pp's tampa apparently looking to fill out the challenger. The challenger was the challenge and as a result Tampa very late getting out but They're all assembled and we're ready. I think the start diving in Because the three the three major cards clearly led by santa anita the big cap and the kill row and the san felipe. A defense sam flea ended up with more. I think than anybody expected particularly with simon callaghan. Who was kinda wavering. On even staying at home that had considered coming to new york with roman centurion but through in on the san felipe. a field and so from three year olds male and female tampa aqueduct santa anita than up into the handicap division led by the big cap and really by this kiro the kill row drew. And we you. We've been hitting it this for weeks. that they were going to be shippers and that includes our friendly. There's caste creed coming out johnny. Visa's gonna ride. The chad tossed in with the pair. A from clara and and mont spirit animal and flavius. Cassie with ride a comet the oxley lynn ratio. Candy reid And who else was somebody else. Pletcher social paranoia. Can't forget social paranoia. And then of course the locals that have been laying in wait smooth like straight draws the rail for michael w mccarthy and cannon hit the road the streaking and fast-developing dan blacker more than ready. The two whole social paranoia Mandela for rick porter and sienna royal ship then spirit animal flavius cassock creed count again The the samsun. They're still partnered. But the the samsung galaxy fill d'amato purchase that moved out to the west coast and then a comment and flying scotsman jackson the out there moving out there as well so a field of ten and i and a lot of ways i mean i know that the three year olds are going to get more press and attention and the big cap is the big gap but that kill row is probably right am i am. I overly keyed up For for that. I don't know. I think that's the that's the the best Assembly top the bottom of the day so the kill wrote the big gap max fields presence kind of ratchets up the interest and excitement so kiss today goodbye back for crew jack dale heading out shipping out with coastal defense and then some of the usual suspects as they say. Tis magician express drinking guillermo. Who stayed out there. I i don't know. I don't know what's up on that front independence hall trying to connect the dots I mentioned the san felipe. A life is good Draws the rail. Because you know it's a baffert horse almost has to be on the rail dream shake is lining up right next door now not that they have similar styles but dream shake. I don't think that peter will want zero to you. Know to drop completely out of it In this setting so dream shake the two hole. But dina spirit the other baffert. Johnny gets aboard because do sticks with doug o'neill and the great one not the not. Maybe i don't know how much of it was That might have been an interesting conversation. Actually but The great one draws the five the robinsons and peter miller none above the law who taking a shot the cow britain home bred for caricom contact for the robot since in the for the great one governors governors party annual franco comes down from sf and then roman centurion with hernandez for qatar in donald byrd. The donald burto empire maker colt That just Just got beat by medina's spirit in the louis so this ended up. I think Even better than than people had anticipated. And you know. Don't forget the great one coming on and doug you kind of you know hinted at this and taken a shot but Life is good dream shake medina spirit. The great one and romans dorian really adds to the intrigue that came together for the san felipe. the san carlos as well for the sprinters and in fact doug surprise neither because he he said before before he was on the air He said that He didn't think he was gonna run anybody in the san carlos but then ended up putting in a strong constitution But storm the court his going to try this spot. For peter samantha siegel with the extra hope. Brickyard ride shows up in here loud mouth. The steve knapp and so forth so really a a data Look forward to on the west coast and we'll educate we'll Put it all together in terms of timing and The way these races are all gonna fit together on the afternoon In in tampa. It's a bit of a. They got a full field. But it it's a there's some more says you're going to have to you're gonna have to dig deep and figure out a some names that are not going to be is instantly recognizable. You got a number of maiden winners that through in here. In fact the you know there's a a again with the king of dreams broke the maiden at gulfstream on the turf But candyman rocket comes in is The you know the major player. Marcus told you the other morning that helium was gonna be intended here Vicky oliver comes back out of the davis. The nice nice closing hidden stash con run. That was that was all right. ronald gets back aboard had gotten chances in kentucky and in fact One two races within stash hidden stashes intriguing saffy joseph Jumped in it. Seems like zafy's got horses everywhere. Every direction awesome jerry out of the holy bull and moonlight strike as well Who tried the smarty jones and was beaten pretty good in there Pletcher pair from him as well on bridled honor maiden winner at tampa in february and promise keeper as well broke the maiden in the slop at gulfstream. Dale's gonna try sitting ongoing here out of the disappointing effort and really now You know it's been a string. Let's be honest. It's a string of disappointing. Efforts associati can't right the ship It it's a. It's a mixed bag to say. The least he also got the superstrong in here third. Sappy joseph runner forgot about him And then the rest the discard. Now you've got the florida oaks for the girls and the the hillsborough That challenger ended up with some interesting Participation modernist gets a four year old debut. Raise your hand. If you've completely forgotten about modernist yeah the The why god. The why. God home read the uncle mo last seen in the peter pan and of course at one the risen star and then kind of went sideways It it it didn't it didn't Proceed from there as it were You've also got a four year old debut for randy block and six columns let me know nice to see him back. The iowa derby winner and then disqualified. You'll recall to the great displeasure of iran and consternation Last seen coming out of an allowance win at churchill and november. So let me know you. The it's nice to get these. You know the three year olds that then turned four. You've also got an interesting horse. That i think people might have forgotten about war stopper. Who's now been with tom. Fletcher for a couple of starts. And if if you recall Had had a very impressive breaker back last year at acqueduct and then tried the gotham and got hurt and you know was gone. Comes back here for another state dry. So here's another four year old and this is nice. You know for all the concern and all the you know. Let's call it what it is discussed than frustration over horses that you know that that quote unquote retire early. This is what you need. You need these. You need these comebacker. These former three year old steak types that you know have a variety of marks for them not against them but Here's three modernist. Let me know and war stopper pretty good There's also last judgement Coming out of pegasus. A a nonthreatening ace in that spot for mike maker and michael dubbed and and mike caruso and steve horn stock but at one the sunshine millions classic before that with a big thick horse. This one of these high priced claims sixty two five claim back in in the fall and then tried to mr prospector. That didn't go well but then stretched out successfully In you know in that restricted company opportunity. Five year. old gelding last judgement. And also there's jungle fighter That carrie raven sends out last seen woodbine last With michael doyle going back to last year. This is a five year old. Now gelding gelded over. The winter lightly raced five year old by animal kingdom so whoever in the racing office had to beat the bushes. You did okay. This is an interesting race. It goes fairly early on the card to eighteen post for the great three challenger As part of this this tampa card and then to round things out new york the gotham nice group and everybody that was expected turned up. led by highly motivated certainly Three year old debut lasting on the breeders cup undercard winning the nyquist and chad. And seth clark this is back. This is the clermont home to that was bought back and capital cain and capital gains presence. I think people are going to gloss over him after the withers but he ran fine. The withers and cuts back to the one turn mile configuration. Where you know. He was so successful in the jerome. So capital kane. I may be may. I'm not gonna slip through the cracks. But i think he could be. I think he could be A little of the value baffert of course with fighter. He's going to get these classes. That here bringing in a string of bullets jimmy jerkins with chiefs woods home-bred way burn draws the outside n-. There's no there's no post issues with this One turn mile at the big. A chat ended up entering another horse. Crowded trade and Maiden winner the end of january also clarify which this was. This was that The one out of that jumpstart mayor maud s The more than ready cold and then kimmel with the reds and pletcher with atlantic road for starlight the fun fund group. The tom fool got nice. set a six in the tomfool. The butcher and the heavenly prize so nice And you might have seen yesterday. Wants tampa wants tampa got their draw in. You might have seen the. I put together. Put out the cross country. Pick five on steaks cross country. Pick five that is going to essentially be run in like an hour and ten minutes post time. Four twenty five and the next. The bottom posed is five twenty five. So this'll be really fun. The hillsborough the heavenly prize. The florida oaks. The gotham and the tampa bay derby makes up the fifteen percents takeout retail. Only naira bets cross country picnic tomorrow tomorrow. Either one of the things. I think you're going to have to really do is figure out how you want to attack the day And and certainly and i got some contests we gotta get some contest conversation. And because It's a big contest. Saturday including the first free contest from the anti. Ira five seats free. No don't nothing other than being other than being tour member So the first of the four free contests five seats on saturday and we'll watch for the for the race choices and expressed bats got the ultimate betting challenge on saturday Plenty of opportunity there and naira with the gothic challenge. So we'll get all those details in. And i should also mention. I did have an exchange with jim goodman this week. He's he he's basically Had a little little vacation. I think jim getting a little sun and fun in a while he can and He opens up the registration for the grade. One gamble opens tomorrow and there is an jim. Jim said. let me that really should look because i think. Jim said he would be available today or tomorrow. And i Let me see what it. What did he say. Yeah thursday or friday. So maybe we'll slip. Jim goodman and at some point and he'll give you the details because there is going to be some limited opportunity for those that you know that are going to go to qinglin. We also tried to reach out Keeneland to to get the the details of seating arrangements and and attendance arrangements. Keelan so i will reach out To jim all right. So lots of that. And on the in while i mentioning the contest. Let me let me give you last week's five qualifiers including our friend derby trailer jim. Zebras unbelievable jim. Jim is vin in a in a zone and He got a. I know we got a second seat in for twenty one late in the late in the proceedings You know before you know. Twenty one qualifications ended but now he's set for twenty two as well. Congratulations the jim. David harrison a regular. And certainly he's qualified plenty of times before jason battle as well gt nixon and bruised. Agostino that st left agostino casino. The greatly greatly missed grocer right. There's no more dagestani knows in the city right pakistan does not anti will no. It's the love daggs right dagestanis. No so okay. I don't know who. I don't know. I'm i'm saying didn't i don't For those of you. That have no idea. D'agostino was was a really nice premium. Grocery not not. Not there was a vaccine is was nice. The black they had the the black the black sign agent white and red and green italian italian. Ish should should really know if i can. I don't think. I i don't i'm gonna say no. Where's my man erin. You don't marital no errands too busy air. They're busy getting the the kosher for passover materials on the shelf I i did see. I was in saratoga this week. yesterday passover looming looming large. Anyway we got plenty to do today and wait a minute. Here's an important. Here's an important Through freddie mouth. Thank you ready. Daggs freddie says the daggs is still is still with us. Thank you freddie. Freddie is still with us. It's nine twenty so i think the the kilby's it's not not yeah sapphire crack that yet. It's a little early psychic. You freddy in a jovial mood here. A couple of things to set up the set up shop for today. The dick powell. I think we'll have dick in first. Casey let's get dick in Number one today you know yesterday. I dunno if you freddie freddie says it's a bitterly even for him godolphin. Yesterday i i. I'm gonna see what dick's thoughts were godolphin. One that European euro road to the derby race yesterday So highland avenue the with holly doyle and you know this was the road to the derby conditional stakes Some of the sequence of of point races That continue. That was a kempton yesterday. So godolphin just Wow or they in zone clicking along so we'll talk a deck and we'll get some h. k. In as well. I had something else predict to something else internationally. International based so. We'll talk to him momentarily. And tony black a little bit early today because we got a. We got a pair of conversations with tony. We had already established that. Tony was going to was going to weigh in that. Yeah that's a foreshadowing. Tony was gonna offer his thoughts on the poco. I read the situation. And you know how to handle this. And you know he'll provide His decades of experience on that front But then when. I say way in the story that i mentioned The other morning was a tuesday when we didn't have we really didn't have much detail about the the alexander crispin suspension and fine and Pretty much brought it up to juxtapose him. Getting fined two thousand and i read being fined thousand for the fight. Now there's more detail and there's still the it it's still not you know an every i is dotted and every t hasn't been crossed on this but this is this is not not a nice reflection at crispin and and his and his jock and his Not as agent but his lawyer. They'd they have nothing to say and maryland officials. The regulators is only certain things they can say but essentially they had. They had some hints earlier in the winter and concerns. The crispin was was you know weighing in after races lighter than he had gone out. Antonio tony will talk about you. Know some of the some of the potentially Nefarious methods of of of of the weight. playing games with weight. But this one now has got specific. Video evidence. i it wasn't just a case of you know maybe a we suggest that the other morning maybe a maybe a weight pad you know a lead came out. I mean that you know that can happen. Inadvertently this this does not appear by any stretch to be inadvertent and I know some people seem to have reacted to this saying. Oh we don't take it seriously. Well i obviously i the the stewards were taking it seriously. Because they got they got wind of it. They warned crispin. They said they brought him in january and said that we're we're hearing that you know. Somehow you're you're you're weighing in under the you know the number you're going out. And then they got video evidence the they set up the the video system because the scale had been moved as part of protocols for for covid and so when they you know when they were watching the video They pretty much you know. Saw the numbers five pounds and Frank samuel is the one who caught it and reached out to st stewart. Adam kampala so you know until until crispin and or the attorney because they would not they would not disclose anything so thirty days a thousand dollars and this is this is a kid that that won the eclipse for apprentice. Rider this year and does not reflect well so Tony's going gonna talk about you know this. This is an area. That doesn't get a lot of attention. You know other than the discussion of handicap weights. I mean we don't. And as i mentioned on tuesday the last time i remember anything coming up on this topic. Was that time that i knew it was one of the charlie brown horses That the belmont uptown. Charlie brown and he'd had the an eight pound lead slide out from the back of the of the pad and a j mean that one was simply a an unfortunate circumstance and it and it actually cost. Count charlie brown. You know the last significant check in a in a in a big race But that's that one was inadvertent. So tony's going to give you insights and he's got let's see he's got fifty years of experience on this topic And while we're talking about jocks tough. I don't know if you saw this yesterday. 'cause gary stevens himself actually let out the news that his brother scott who we last talked to when he won the george woolf a couple years ago which was so nice. And if we had gary and scott on together should really casey we should pull that out. he He went down and has got Vertebrae fracture and at the age of sixty and after over. Five thousand wins one of One of tony's brethren That's one over five thousand races and and in fact he looks. He's he's actually just shy of of tony scott stevens. Five thousand forty nine wins and forty three million dollars. One of thirty five race riders in north american racing. History to win over five thousand races. You'll hear from another of those. Tony black on These rider topics jockey fights and jackie. Wait so plenty plenty of fodder for tony steve haskins. And we'll i wanna get seth in. He's on the air shortly but we'll get in couldn't get to him yesterday. We'll see if he's got some early thoughts on tampa and we'll get rich. Hang in as well so Busy docket again today day after day. I think i hear dick pow. Good morning. yeah hello dick. Let's see any Any thoughts say i i i do. I do frequently throw Administrative kinds of things that you and and regulator Topics this is this is. This is a kettle of fish Real bad and be Similar on insurance. it's not not anything loops. Not one of those. Nope doesn't seem like it does not appear it and and you know you got bad you got the the i read and my thing. Would i read as man. You've gotta you've gotta get back into jim some because if you get three wide open shots like that and the guy is still sitting. That's not nine hundred. Don't have much behind them. Wouldn't and gordon. I two words to come. I will be banned for life. I'm really dynasty with the do about this guy you know. They're always wrong in the handling and that goes on with them all this mad leader integrity and everything well much shape. so what. you're going to die. I wait that. I don't understand the investigation. They have a picture. He said he did kind of end of story. Announce was what's the punishment going to be some sort of hype administrative up down sideway. It is There's there's never a shortage. I'll tell you that Never it's a steady parade Deck of But listen that's right isn't that that's the true of anything. There's there's the you know we we have a tendency You know. I sometimes say oh only in racing at people people have that you know that sensibility to some extent but it's not it You get you get these on and off the field issues with any with any whether it's a sport endeavour or anything else i mean that's not this human b b with tony us to say the interest in the city. What the good apprentice raido What video evidence they have and then he acted alone. Well that yeah. That's the 'cause there's you know there's there's different places along the way that That this can you know it is as it were but not quite quick. Sidebar runs march on and twenty one fifty years ago great sporting event ever kind of the century. Oh which not about. It's you ever needed to have an example of why bicker the mon- in my office. I have the original fight program. Four muhammad ali. Joe frazier i fight. I prefer to fight with manila. But i have the problem here. I moved it. 'cause i don't want this fund getting on it and i'll be damned if i can find probe probably within on armed reach it definitely here but but it. It was the most exciting event. I've ever gone to the nothing even close twenty thousand people in madison square garden. At least two people died apart at times during the fight about that. I've never heard that it was in some of the papers the next day but there was there was so much carbon. I don't think. I can ever remember sporting event having the coverage that that fight had before and after and before was one commercial after another that muhammed and joe did together and they were on it constantly and then you get to the fight and i had seats i to scout tickets so i would go up five seats for nick playoff game things like that. Go up melbourne. I get on wait till ten o'clock the next morning by the shalva. While this one i was i was shell. So i'm in the blue seat. And i have an accurate. I don't even remember the first round. Because i couldn't get my hands to stop shaking it. It ends describable. I love it okay. Fiftieth anniversary is Monday and amazingly the summer Out to dinner with mexico. Nixon in the parking lot i go over part my Walk over. He's on the phone being the phone jerry izenberg jerry. I grew up in staten island. You were in the staten island advance. You know every column we got the papers but we also had the staten island advance delivered in the afternoon. And then that was part of the newark star-ledger syndication jury mine highlight and And i said. I said when you were down in the press role covering ali it. I was way up in the blue once. We were there at the same time. And and jerry lives in las vegas and there's ninety years old and he's writing his first novel not a sports book about It's kind of like a love story. Set nine the milk wyatt's in nineteen sixty four but when jerry talk about him interview a couple of times The guy in shop as a pack and had banning long was bad at all events held them as big as anybody else wants Monday the fiftieth anniversary and interestingly i it it just so happens that the fight was was on. It was monday march eighth. And it's a monday march eighth. The the way things fall this year as well and I was i was young. I was i was twelve years old but I certainly remember you know the hubbub and the aftermath and and then what came. What came later. Glad you mentioned that because it's going to be a busy race weekend and by monday. That might get lost up. Should there'll be a ton of Media build up this weekend and you know there's links to all kinds of links to watch the whole fight these days on youtube. And then more i wanted i do remember is that sinatra took work that as a photographer life life magazine photographer while the pie and tv coverage which i did not see having been there but have seen minute later. Don dumpy mine casper burt. Lancaster was invited. That's right that you that's funny that the that that's a that's an obscurity from the closed circuit thing. Yeah and. I can't remember what the as long as you have done. Bumpy dumpty was the king about some commentators the absolute best scorsese's raging bull. Thank god dumpty was still alive. The have your boys some stuff like that. You know just dump you have the way back then and we fight was in madison square garden. Why did leave. Why why did suddenly you leave the macaroni. Boxing suddenly lose everything to atlantic city. Las vegas tax packs. The boxing industry new york public policy mia issues seem not terribly important What new york state decided to do. Was that a few months. Obviously the purse that my was two and a half million preach fighter and then was starting to make money with the The final count and new york state decided. That's all new york. Taxable income one on chat and basically by sega said grown big enough. Some money city had some convention center and things like that. I was By boxing in the uk and it didn't take long it would probably within five years that's You know come lost all these big fights. I didn't i that that's eibar. I hadn't really connected those dots. I mean it's not long after either that You had the casinos in connecticut By the end of the decade to i think started a started get them and then and they really expose themselves was back. You're in new york. You have the media capital everything infrastructure. Everything in well then technology. You can do it in the parking lot of caesar's palace among you know you can put up temporary lighting Satellites and everything else for now. It doesn't match tally. As great as it is minded stare and for their four one one night started grabbing grabbing not share. I packed up. Well i'm putting up on putting up the poster a great photo of the frazier landing a laughed and We'll see. I'm sure. I'm sure it'll trigger some things from From people interesting that You know given given your attendance at racing events around the world Over a long stretch that that this this Outstrips any those including melbourne cups and triple crown events and more so that say something deck heck have standing on your arms and the shaking cannot believe they are in the lane. 'cause the backstory of getting them into the ring and ali knocking allowed the pike for over two years and even supreme court right away and grandson a license. Some common back in having a having a fight in georgia and then suddenly ali fraser. Is you know. Joe meantime undefeated Was going through everything and You know then then the way it the way the marketing was don got very ugly. Racial and i mean the call. Joe names that joe was called I i don't know how we could be anymore. Black to joe frazier. And yet he was the white man champion you know he was going to and then and and it was really unnecessary. Because if i were out getting need to do that and and and mama. The dark side tune showed it in manila. Love the guy but yeah the dark side to him so it wasn't serious. You know joe joe. Joe wound up in hospital two weeks and every day afterwards stories on died. I remember that Starkly culture liu and something logically and everything out pretty hard. I thanks for that Aside i i've i've anxious to see what people else might You know fifty years how many you know it'd be interesting to see how many other people were there. And and i'm glad you're talked about jerry. An his book After check in with with jerry izenberg over the years. I'm only had him on two three times and I should have been should be more. 'cause he's he is a treasure. An absolute treasure really glad you mentioned deck. Let's get a couple of was a great commercial leading up to the fight. I don't mean my mother. Product and ali is if there were joe is. This is gonna shock in the made coming to craig. Solid love it as deck. Let's do a around up here. And i i Mentioned as you were joining us. I wanted to slip in that Wrote to the derby euro points. We talked about the last. You know last week about the. The japanese runner doesn't appear intended But here's godolphin with you. Know another interesting product. That i don't know you know the long term plans for this one but I mean everywhere you look. I mean that was i had. I had jimmy fallon monday because that was such a remarkable achievement for them on over the weekend on saturday with the three stake. Ones them recap three roles. That's one highland avenue off. Thoughts have been on all whether he's not in the original triple crown nominee. But that's that's no big deal at six thousand dollars. They chided to go coyly could how they wanna do that with the other. Two central quality and proxy. So what was interesting. Was holly doyle won. The race and know was part of a grey screeching head yesterday. on the track Just bir ali killing ida phenomenal year. Last there she wins the rights. And and i am in hong kong. So you know history there then go to saudi Did great in the jockey challenge. Ben wins the arrives on the day of the child costs. And just riding those fantastic and when when you when you see holly ride I think people a little bit surprised because she is incredibly athletic in the sense of her strength a lower body. Strength off the charts. So she's put like this almost on on on a horse and strongest could be an outbound. Just fantastic going short going along. So she has the ride on on highland avenue. She lived the other day. And i don't know what the plan are but they have lots of good things the plan because they have you know they got next field going to the big cap and they have dorset. One viscaya arkham arkansas over. He's gone to the by cup. And those the two top coats for kentucky here many of them home brad. Many i their science center quality my on the street kind of like that on the developing down for the royal blue including including this afternoon by racing today is Super thursday all all preparations for the upcoming to by workup and treated. So you'll see some. You'll say something good dolphin blow this morning. You've been saying them. All of american. I liked The plan that they have now and i let an interview with mike students. I san one. We have not rose. We haven't seen them. They get signed to us and working. No one's going to a farm and picking out on someone's making decisions for them but once he was staying in america with the american trainers and very much bread could there Down prima officers gong the goal for the time. It it does you do get the sense that their their operation is. I don efficient. Probably not the right word but it does feel like After a lot of trial and error that they they've got a really struck on a better approach and it also feels like there's less It's a to to pull an appropriate term interferring. You know having having interference from above from you know reaching down And and trying to manipulate than they're letting you know they're letting everybody go forward It seems like it's paying off pretty pretty well. Yeah and and it's a recognition of the the previous way was worker number one. it's also recognition of how different american dirt racing matthew dunn succeed in american dirt racing training and having people associated with american dirt racing and pedigree people on tracks and trenton china. And things like that. Just it's not something you do elsewhere and then and then show up and try to try to put down a big price. So the fires devout men have developed Very good third side. And that's that's been a big big help for them. i'm some have adapt and a lot of these dams have have depth of quality dirt racing over here. And they've done they've they've just done a spectacular job management. But i listen i. I wish they could've done what they did. You know he wanted to be way to buy wanted them and be by in command. Go out and take on the classics and everything you know. They just can work for the kentucky derby and one on glennbeck. We'll watch See what's next highland avenue and really really starting to pile up the quality types and we're still waiting to see how Prevalence how brendan walsh able to to get you know. Get him back rolling after missing a little bit of time and had been hopefully Point for the the fountain but I did see work the other day. Actually so he's back on the worked apps so that goes a long way toward getting him shot. We talked printed. left-wing. I did see. Extravagant kid is going to the outlaws sprint. We saw that Overnight dick let's get Let's get some h. k. In as well play well. We're back at shot. Ten last sunday. Some some really good performances. Now stay crises. Talk about that regarding today's racing but A very fast class to seven prolonged is highly proactive. one One twenty one point one two super-quick and then a horse named vinci the imc why who had been on for twenty seven lifetime but is a solid class three. He just doesn't win but he always there and maintain the very good rating. Will he wound up wanting a class. Tree andy capp and very fast time Vinyl nathan forty. Six point six three over three hundred something thousand dollars. Earning Nice to see him when but he certainly carried his way yesterday. was suspended and he will be again this coming saturday zach lineup. Twenty five races which we're getting close not tell us miami. Five one jackets seventy carats forty. I mean this is a really strange actually to have joe go out dominating okay before and and but the have this gigantic gap between no joe in the morning twice as many wins ask third jock pretty unusual. You know fifty something cards into the season so That kinda nice bay at corner row Interaction yesterday steve. Every race had a pencil. So punk Happy valley twelve and every rates are twelve dollars. Total hamblur yesterday was seasonal high fat valley. One point four seven billion on dollars some divided up by about seven get american just relative to what they normally do one point three five or so. It shows that he'll size when when you have many of your other factors kind of leveled out then feel pride. Become the super important and and you'll see the coming up when they have. The big stake is all you see a couple of weeks. Don't want to stay betting handle does not necessarily go up people. Sometimes you get an eight nine dollars. Field and charlton. You can run fourteen. And you're not giving fourteen where happy valley not that many stake races run so they can get twelve so the betting yesterday. The nine races worth just enormous on that they like to call the shouldn't track so that adam. I can have another night thing. Saturday and saturday night sunday morning. But joel back the stone and They're very consistent and break the rules. You're gonna get shut down. The proper basin gonna get fined. You're going to miss a lot of business so often. Most of the arts try to follow the from look back looking forward sunday midnight eastern time nine pm saturday night time. We have ten races three on the all weather. Seven on perk skiving a couple of texts to watch race one. We're going to go. Twelve hundred meters visas. Zero to forty class drive easy fifty autumn group but number eight. Vital spying has just been remarkably consistent Last three races of all been solid finishes very real world drawn the nine Going twelve hundred. I wish i was a little bit inside. But but he's a closer. And i really liked the science here pertinent condo. I did a story on him. He was a shad well. Group tree stakes when italy and somehow landed in new zealand. And what's shy of support. He us olympic stadium down down under under often means a lot of choices. You're gonna shaw. On per encounter was deci of member eight vital spring like in the race number one. And i'm gonna go to race numbers sex sex of a quiet four fourteen hundred meters sprint. I like number eight oscar. Glory to start i. I was on the all weather only do much. Then try perk left now from the ten on the same distance. The fourteen wonder ray rubicon Oscar gory got a nice trip. Sitting inside didn't have the biggest punch open. Second start over the turk third. Start vipond coming back in two weeks from a better post. You don't have to improve much to be right there in the fight of those one frank more trained keaton within a ride this son of per encounter and then number nine nine nine is a class tree. We're going to go sixteen hundred meters metric mile but member shot ten to one turn race. I was just gonna go around the one right hand turn. Long zach. curd hit a highway number one. Flagship glory Heather wielded record oversee. Now is in hong kong. I raise rally malta. Pays the last race rally from pretty far off the pace. Pass the tunnel horses in the stretch missed by a head We draw well. We add the hood. Joe was supposed to ride. Joe suspended that picks up the mount does have to tout highway but off the last couple races. But i think he can handle it. So that's number one flagship. Glory in rates. Number nine. Save my performances. I probably be awake and on and on the ipad i did that one night and The australian open was already over. Novak djokovic should go straight sets doing the trophy. When i woke up to watch the hundred nice i appreciate its deck and Things heating up really all over the place around the you know it. It really is an and i. I don't know where january february went but all of a sudden downturn and the from march madness in the master's well include primetime. It's so and and i know you're not a twitter guy but Take a look and We're getting responses already and Including a wonderful You're gonna you're going to read this as we as we go to the break. Because i'm tickled andrew cohen. Who is a a wonderful follow. And that is written for the atlantic and reports for cbs news and more and any loves racing but eddie loves sport but he he uses the tweet. I said dick powell reminding them. Monday is the fiftieth anniversary. He was there and says that. No other sporting event eclipses it for him and he's been to the biggest races all over the world. For decades andrew cohen Sub tweets it. And has larry murphy quote. Muhammad ali fata truthmachine last night and the truth. That emerged was painfully clear. Pretty good line. From larry merchant back and in fact. He's got the link to the to merchants piece in the atlantic from november. This is an article from november ten years ago november. Twenty eleven And that andrew wrote and So i'll re tweet that. And i want to read this when i get a chance So that was coming up on the fortieth anniversary. Good deal good job dick. I love it. I talk to you. So let's take the top of the hour break. Tony black got tony here. Because tony's got twin twin topics. We've got the poco. I rad fisticuffs. Speaking fights of the century that was not a fight of the century the and then the neither actually. Neither topic is amusing. Frankly but then the The missing five pounds off of Alexander crispin you'll get you'll get insight.

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Actor Richard Jenkins Discusses His Circuitous Path to Success

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Actor Richard Jenkins Discusses His Circuitous Path to Success

"This is kick ASS news. I'm Ben Mathis. Is this the normal amount of turbulence route? Yes. Oh to lead. Oh No Oh. I thought that they. Did they send Wifi in his plane. Remember out there is GonNa to pay. Why don't they do off? Oh this I know trust me I'm the worst styling sleep with. Her. A tool. It was originally designed by and for the military intelligence community. CIA and Army ground OPS specifically is a powerful and it's a dangerous tool. I use it as it was intended. And I don't dress it up and play Dolly. Then, don't me my mom that was a clip of two time. Oscar nominee Richard Jenkins in kajillions. Air A new movie that stars Jenkins Debra Winger and Westworld Evan Rachel Wood as a family of low level con artists who struggled a barely get by one half baked scam at a time could joe millionaire comes out in theaters this Friday September twenty fifth and you can also see Richard Jenkins in another film opening this weekend called the last shift and today Richard Jenkins joins me on the podcast to talk about his prolific career as one of Hollywood's most reliable character actors and what it was like to finally achieve fame in his fifties hit HBO series six feet under he talks about. Some of his favorite films that he's done including step in the shape of water. WHY Director Guillermo del? Toro sometimes gives actors a little too much background on their characters and the difference between working with the Coen and the Farrelly brothers. Richard discusses his new role as a working class man in belt Michigan in the last shift in what the film has to say about racial injustice, income inequality and finding common ground during these politically divisive times he also talks about his role as a shameless drifter and Kajillions air how the film redefines the traditional family and what it was like to battle a never ending deluge of bubbles. Yes. I said bubbles coming up with Richard Jenkins in just a moment. And? Emmy winner and two time Oscar nominee. Richard Jenkins has had a prolific acting career in films. Step brothers burn after reading. There's something about Mary Jack, reacher, the visitor, and of course, twenty eight teams, the shape of water, as well as television series like six feet under Berlin station and Olive Kit Ridge. Now, he has to films opening in theaters this Friday September twenty fifth. He plays a husband father and a con man who's not very good at what he does in Kajillions air and in the last shift he. Plays an aging high school dropout who comes to a difficult realization about himself after having watched life pass him by over thirty eight years working at a fast food restaurant in Michigan's Rustbelt Richard Jenkins. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thank you. Hear you spent the first fourteen years of your acting career at the Rhode Island Repertory Company that's an unusual route into film and television most people graduate and head straight to new. York or La. So how does a young man from I think Dekalb Illinois end up in Rhode Island? Well, because I was hired as an apprentice. For one full season this is this is nineteen seventy. When the regional feeder movement in America was just really gone crazy because nationality for the arts and national humanities. Ford foundations love support for every major city having your own theater so I. We I went out right after college and Was An apprentice made sixty five dollars a week. Trinity Rep in Providence. And then that's how it started and then they made me a member of the company the next year and I stayed there for fourteen years as an actor. And Knows an amazing time and you still live in Rhode Island is that right? Fifty one years yes. That life as opposed to being in New York or La all the time. Well, I I like both cities I love New York I love La like like working like going there but but Rhode Island seem to fit our vibe. Our friends were of after fourteen years We made a lot of friends in the theatre and outside the theater. And our kids were in school here. So we thought let's stay. You know we love the state. You know has a lot to offer. It's close to New York most of Boston Nothing's really close to La unless you live in I'd be through. So that was that was the choice and we wondered if we if I could I wondered if I could Can have a career from here. And so we decided trump yen. You've had a hell of a career but. You're sort of a late bloomer in a sense because I guess you didn't land your first film role until you were thirty six worked pretty steadily for years as a character actor but really got your first break with six feet under when you were in your fifties got your first Oscar nomination at I think sixty do you ever wonder what took so long for Hollywood to recognize you or? Why you didn't hit it big when you're in your twenties and thirties no, no I I still haven't hit it big. You know I mean that's that's I'm an actor and it's like I was never I was never a juvenile which is a term for a young handsome actor i. was never that I figured I would work more the over knowing the more my hair fell off the more work. Happens I. You Know I. I'm glad it took a long time. I mean I wasn't at the time I was worried. Going to educate my children but at the same time I did a lot of interesting things along the way. I've been working as an actor since I was twenty. Two years old. I Well I support myself my wife. Thank God. Had Job we've been drove, but I've done. That's been my job. I wasn't you know doing some other profession and trying to be an actor I was working as an actor. So all those ships. Providence and all the small roles in films and television I mean I was you know I was grateful. Yeah. And I love those actors like yourself who really come into it later in their life because you know as much as we want to talk about how hard the business is, it's a real testament to how this business works and the fact that if you keep plugging away and getting better at your craft sooner or later almost inevitably, you're going to get noticed well, luck plays a huge part and I'm not saying be humble it's true. It's true and I think most active will tell you. That love is huge because I know a lot of talented actors that haven't had the brakes that I have. But at the same time. If you're meant to do this. I believe those rooms where everybody and you will figure it out if you really meant to be an actor if you end up doing something else. It's it's a weird thing. You sometimes it takes people five ten years to say Addison. Not. But if you're like, me would never you do anything else you know. So You keep plugging away. It's it's It's not anything noble. It's just. Couldn't imagine doing anything else really. So so you never had a plan B. or has it just always been acting her bust for you? Know but you're always your advisors in school always said, you'll need something to fall back on. Issues don't become an accurate. When you be a history minor, I would fall back on the how how would that work? I never understood that but no. But you know it's funny because a lot of the actors. That I grew up with own school with that started out and decided to do something else are almost all very successful. Really. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty. Amazing. We've done really well in life. Doing other things. And you've steadily worked as a character actor for a long time. I don't know about you. But most of my favorite actors are actually character actors is like Stanley Tucci Michael. Shannon Michael Stool Barg but I wonder how you feel about the term character actor have embraced it or do you think under cells what a supporting actor does? Actor, and you do character I. If. You ours it's No. I don't mind it at all. So I am always have that. Always I've always done. But you know I've been really fortunate to a lot of interesting thing a lot of different kinds of people and. So. Yeah. But but I have to think that it's a challenge when you're doing supporting parts or a character role because the rest of the cast and crew you know they may have had a few weeks to feel out each other build some camaraderie, and then you parachute onto set with maybe a handful of pages and only a few scenes a couple of days to really build a character. Does that make it difficult to jump in there and make your mark on a movie? Okay. Character actors. person, who plays. I, guess something other than a lead the that's how it's defined. Okay. But but you know if you're a somebody comes in for which I've done many times in my life and most actors have going in. To a TV series and you have one day's work. or You know Yeah. It is harder because everybody's friends and that's exactly the. That's everybody's worked together. They got a rhythm down and then you come in. But I have to say. In all of the years that I've made movies. I. Can't. Remember And I mean, I may be wrong here but I can't remember. Anybody coming in for one day. It wasn't just wonder really because you think of the process. If there's a part that has one see known. They have twenty lines the thirty lines in it it's a C- whatever the seniors, how many people Do they, look. For that part, how many people do they? Say Well, might be tall maybe into all the to. And then how many people read for that? And then it's down to the last person and they get. It's very competitive. And I've never seen. Somebody come in there who was all That's interesting. So yeah, the winnowing dos I it's my way of saying a lot of great actors. Tundra. And and know an actor who makes a living doing what he does is a successful act. And there's a lot of people out there that do these arts. and. I. They're not. They shouldn't be diminished because that's the size of the roller. Fabulous actress. And and it's very competitive. Wanted to talk to you about those early years when you're sort of struggling to make it in the business and make ends meet in the eighties and nineties, you must have had to suck it up and take some bad rolls or decent roles and bad movies just for the paycheck I. Wonder if you had a magic eraser, can you think of something that you would want to raise from your IMDB page? No. Now because it's One job may have helped pay for. something. Might children need it or held by a car we needed or you know? Yeah, you do. You have no choice. You have a choice. If you WANNA be an actor, you going audition if they give you the part. You take it. And you auditioned for everything asked conditioned for you. Know I. I I didn't have the luxury of of saying I don't want this part. and. There was part of the deal I mean when the time comes when you can say that and no, thank you this doesn't seem right for me. That's a real. That's a wonderful place to be. Yeah but it didn't happen for a long time. Have you been enjoying having that luxury to be able to turn down a script nowadays It's you know as a luxury or something, but but it's like Ed my age I'm I I don't. Know, you don't. I don't really want to do anything that I don't really want to do. Because it's it's six months now. Is A long time And when I was thirty, five at. Six months but now I'm seventy three, six months long time. and. So I, I'm pretty careful about what I choose to do and usually. Something that the writing interests me or the part are interesting. And You know I just don't want to do something because it's a great group and if it's if it's heart that means nothing to me then it's it's not doing. But My time became more valuable Ilgar. So then how big of a turning point was it for you when you landed that role as the father and six feet under do you think of that as your big break or what? I've had a lot of breaks. The kind of happen before the fact that I was even considered for six feet under came after I did flirting with disaster. Unseen, probably, but David, old Russell movie I love. It's a fabulous. Absolutely that's that led to succeed on And I don't know what led the to. Disasters, but something else have led to maybe been. eastwick. It's everything is you look back and you go that if I had done that this wouldn't have happened in that. And I I read for six feet under and I was supposed to appear in the pilot omen just that. The script and I wasn't a regular character on it, and then after we did the pilot Allen Ball said, would you come back and do? You know be recurring character because you know when your father is you don't stop thinking about it. That's something I didn't realize that. Yeah. I always thought that that part was written into the whole season. Okay. I didn't realize I mean after the pilot then then but if I was working I couldn't come in and do something. So they kind of worked around. It was so I would do I. Don't know two or three a year maybe. And it was always. Screen and yes, that did help immensely. Immensely and what I found. So interesting about that role is you weren't really playing the father as he was or as he would have been, you're playing sort of the ghost of the father as seen through different family members is. So in essence you're sort of playing slightly different characters depending on who you're interacting with. How did you that I think you're the first person that said that really true. Yeah. Yeah. I. I never knew who this guy was. Really. I never knew because depending on who was thinking about him. He was totally different I. totally. But he was. He wasn't the same guy. I wasn't the same with my sons, my daughters, my wife. It was everybody. Saw Me in a different way, which is kind of how we view people. True you know we all have our own. Hooks and emotional memories and. Opinions. About people and sometimes people are talking about somebody who can't believe it's the same person. Well, that's what I that's characterized. That's why was and I'm the only ghost waged. That's I got five years older. Love it. Yeah I mean that must have been an interesting challenge for us an actor because you're you're playing the same person but what you have to slightly tweak it depending on who you're playing against. Well, you see what's there you know it's all there in the script in and. I didn't know I was this large asshole. I thought I was more compassionate that, but you know it's it's all or where they are emotionally at the moment. Might have any do you? Yeah. You think something your father said you mean or that was hurtful and it becomes gigantic for that moment and you will appear and you say it you know. So it's it was kind of brilliant the way they. Structured that this guy. Alain new immediate he knew that. And we we never talked about it but. I think I did say once I don't know I don't know who this man is. Yeah, and you have kind of become the go-to Guy for a number of directors. You've made four movies with the COEN brothers, five movies with another set of brother filmmakers the fairly brothers. Out. There aren't a lot of brother filmmaker teams out there I'm just curious. What did you observe about how the Farrelly's interact with each other onset versus how the Coen brothers worked together was there a contrast between those two relationships? Some actress said, there were two of them. You know they you know they worked together well or they wouldn't keep making movies and. they have their own system, each one of them. Peter. Directs more than Bobby but Bobby's there when Cameron they taught you be they go back and they talked and NPR comes in. So. You don't know what they're talking about, but you know bobby does a lot of the rewriting and he's watching and Peter that they're real collaborators. And say, same was the Joe Nathan you know Joel Direction Ethan's they're watching and they talk and they right. So it's a collaboration with them and I always feel that when I'm hearing something I'm hearing it from both guys know. That it was. that. It was a consensus that they can't do. But you know the truth is I can't prove that I have. No. It may be on idea Joel at. Ethan head so I. I've heard other actors tell me that I guess they sort of almost operate in a telepathic manner. You know they can just look at one another no. What the others thinking then change up a shod something like that. They're invested in the project in the script. They know it better than anybody else. Sure. They've they've talked about it in written it together, and you know that that's there's an intimacy there that that is. You know and they've worked together. So many times they know how it works best for the two of that. we we the Bobby Peter Joe, and they both have figured out that process for the two of them. So it's you know it's It doesn't seem like there's two people directing. But same time there probably is, but it doesn't seem that. We're going to take a quick break, and then we'll return with more when we come back in a moment. Now of course, people know you very well from the shape of water which earned you your second Oscar nomination. You've got to work with the Great Year Modell Toro. I've heard about him that just beyond the script, he tends to write a full Bible of background information for every character in his movies. Did he do that for your character Giles and what did you get out of that? Yes. He did I just by way just finished his new movie nightmare alley. Wow. Just got back shaved my beard yesterday. He's amazing. He's just he's just. He's just a great man. He's very. Yes, he does. He writes he's so invested in this world that he creates. And And he writes these. Wonderful. Eight ten page backstories for everybody and and he said you can take it and if it helps you find if not. So he gave me mine in the next as they did you realize yes. You're going to use US. Said why? Because, it it it's not on the page. It's not if you put in the in the movie of deal with. You know how I feel about my mom. Does that. How does that fit into this war? But you know it's fascinating to read. And during the Golden Globes when I lost. He turned me. He said if you use the backstory, you might have one. Wonder when they come up to you these days. What do you get recognized from more the shape of water stepbrothers. Our GOTCHA. Recognized for the age. Group. Some ice. Dear John knows a lot for that. Friends with benefits for a long time ago stepbrothers always. Step you used to be just young people but not so much anymore. A, lot of people seems rose and shave a water six hundred. I. I mean I'm not. Really even now. Now I mean they. The people were Nice, people are very speed. It's nice but. I would say stepbrothers is the woman. I'm most. Yeah. Well, I WANNA to talk about these two movies that you have coming out this weekend First of all I loved kajillions there is just so hilarious and heartwarming and weird all at the same time. It's exactly the kind of quirky independent film that I start to look for around this time of the summer after all the studio blockbusters in the Comic Book Movies Come Out tell the listeners a little bit about the film. It's sort of an atypical take on the traditional family unit isn't it? It's a story of a family owned gifters. Henny. Criminals. Getting by. Fifteen hundred. Bucks anywhere there. Really. but it's the way they deal with the world. This husband and wife who Debra winner. Daughter Rachel would. And it's sweet sugar. No. affection we don't treat her like a child treat her as. An equal partner, we split everything three ways. And she's emotionally. Sit under grown. and has no connection with the world and and. And Feelings. And anything except. The score. And I preached this thing of like I like to slide by only get. Booked on anything I don't like to have a job. Stuff I mean it's And then she meets this woman who becomes part of our team and she. Give everything away or but there there's a real emotional breakfast. and. It's it's pretty weird. Now. I'm used to seeing you playing fairly empathetic characters. Was it fun to play shameless con artists play the he`ll Well, I never felt them. I always thought he thought. He was doing the right thing. I mean I, think that's the way we actors look. Values. An idiot you know I know that a last seen in the in the? In the restaurant with her she kind of pulls away from there really taken aback. And he's Actually says some things he's never said so so I asked them. I never thought of his. Views but But I never. Even though this family. con-artists they also have this weirdly rigid sense of morality that looks down on mainstream society. How would you describe their World View and particularly your character? Conspiracy theorist. You. Know. I know I may not even be in the movie I said once seatbelts don't work they just it's it's it's it's a con by the car companies to get you. And by the insurance companies and Flying is the. Most dangerous way of traveling we all know that. Not True at all. He's conspiracy theorists is. Everything that. He thinks everything is one eighty of of the truth. Yeah your character Robert. He has this huge level of confidence that is wildly out of step with his circumstances in life, and he speaks just an odd degree of certitude on everything from. To earthquakes and as I watched good Joe millionaire I thought to myself I kinda know this guy. From the White House. On down. There are those people who just have Oakley with they're talking about and yet they second guess nothing and they propagate conspiracy theories and disinformation, but they do so with such conviction that it can be hard to challenge them in that sense. Do you think that Robert is sort of a reflection of where we are as side right now I you know it it yes. I do in many ways you know and it some of it is so ridiculous nobody well, lease. Some things people we? And and and you can imagine growing up with parents like this. were. Your head would be I mean it's just it's. It's crazy. And and so that's why this. Win She has a chance. To see the world as it is. It's it's wonderful thing. Yeah and I have to say that the the other thing that distinguishes this movie for me as it's funny because when I think of. The ones that come to mind are films like the staying dirty rotten scoundrels where the thieves are glamorous and sexy and smart and pull off some huge score by the end. There aren't a lot of movies about bad con artists who set their sights so low that the con is barely worth it. It's like they never seemed to look at the return on their investment or the risk versus the reward of their scams do they. I think most folks out there that do this. And by really I mean I. Don't think it's glamorous. I. Yeah I mean but you don't see this. You don't I mean the sure I wore I I wanted his big shirt and. We decided. Yeah. That's good. I say it something eating his wife one or if he stole somewhere and it doesn't fit him and his pants don't fitness shoes that they came you know whatever it's all free. Offer free and he thinks he beat the system. But. You look at him. What mystery? I mean. It looks like he should be incarcerated then what her? You needs. It's just it's like who is this guy? That's what I when I see this? That's when I see people sometime. This. Story, where is it you? WHO Know What Where did you go to school? What are you? Where did you grow up? Parents I mean yeah. That stuff is and that's I. Love. And that's me what robberies. Because he doesn't eat busy hall misread. As. To What Yeah. Yeah. Don't WanNa give anything away but I I do want to say I love the hot tub scene in that movie. So hard. What what world is he living in an thinks is going to work. Yeah exactly and must it's it's just it's so breathe coming. It's still degrees. And Love it whenever wingers character walks with a plate of cheese and crackers. In. One of the highlights of the film is the fact that the family's home is a rented office space. With. One very major design flaw involving masses of pink bubbles leaking from the ceilings and They have the SISYPHEAN task of having to clean up this mess twice a day three times on. Wednesday. As I describe it right now it's almost impossible to imagine unless you see the movie, How did the director pitch that scene to you where you skeptical that you could pull it off technical? Is Funds Funds always fun to do. That means we we had to get US system down where you know like we've been doing it for years. And you know we don't talk. We just do it and thank goodness. There's at draining the bathroom that we put stuff down. But yeah, it's a bubble factory were next to and every day. Twice a day. Vogel's come through them all. and. It was fun. I'm a big Westworld van what was it like to work with? Evan? Rachel, Wood. Evans. Great. She's fantastic and I know she sang. And she's incredible. And we went to Sierra Club in La. She just away, she's so good. So. I started. She was doing a set on. Name. With. People's. Names. And I said there's a song. Call, Emily. Tony Bennett's eight years ago and she I don't think she knew to. But I remember that in SOC it's a pretty sites I. It's from a movie. I. Think it's from the Americanization of Emily. That's what's from I. Think I could be wrong. and. She just she love Tony Bennett and and I just. I just. Sent her something. No I just heard him sing. In my solitude I think that's the or solitude. On the Steve Allen Show on Youtube. And he sees this medal and in the middle of it, he sings this. Dramatic. Ballad. About a man losing his mind because his girl left. and. I sent this to her because she can sing anything I said you. You and she's So, as you have to do it, so they will as well. You got to send me the tape when you do. So that's that's I. Just I she served. You sort of play the same role with Evan that I play with my wife because I'm a huge fan of Tony Bennett always have been since I was a kid and you know she has no idea. She we went. We try to go the Hollywood bowl every year to see Tony Bennett and she gets excited when Lady Gaga walks on stage with them. Tony Bennett every year? But. You know it's funny. 'cause Evans Young and she's Demi Twenty minutes not inner wheelhouse. Why would it be? There's so many young singers I don't know. But when she heard him, she just got it just got it. Just. Yes. He's amazing and he's still added in his mid nineties I think now. Listen to this, go on Youtube and find this. In. That he sings a medley. On the show. And he's thirty years old and kind of the height of his powers. And he? Yeah, he's Great Frank Sinatra's favorite singer to did you know that? I know. Well. Let's talk about the other movie that you have coming out. This weekend I don't know if this is the first for you having to movies opening on the same weekend. You have the last shift also coming out. And you play a high school dropout who spent thirty eight years of his life working at a fast food restaurant where he ends up training his replacement too young black man who has sort of an activist streak and over the series of a few nights, they hash it out over racism income inequality, white privilege, the flint water crisis, etc.. The timing of this film in the wake of the George Floyd murder and the black lives matter protest. It's completely on point in fact, I think that the young man is on probation for defacing city monument. Wonder. This film can't have been filmed after all that. So all of this just happened to come about at the right time Again I guess the right time was probably not the right phrasing there. But no as amazing you know that this film was shot before all this happened and it's incredibly relevant. Well. Yeah. I mean this this. You know. Racist been bubbling in this country for a long time that the the issue of. It just. But yeah, we made it last summer stock. And it was at Sundance Sundance with it and it's but right now it is. Very. The timing is what it is now. The come at social issues from two very different points of view and a lot of cases. For instance, the Young Man Japan talks about systemic racism while your character Stanley accuses him playing the race card and yet they find some connection maybe not agreement some sort of understanding of where each other is coming from the don't you feel like these are the kind of conversation that should be happening all over America right now it's like they have more in common than than they realize and that's what John says to him. And that's why when they don't connect it's I think it's a statement to about. But to have more in common than they know. Especially family. And just doesn't seem to understand. Stanley is an older white blue collar guy in the rust belt who has fairly conservative takes on race and social issues, and yet he's not really stereotype piece of human being we empathize with him. He's a good guy. He's good I wonder did playing him may give you some insight into those older white working class men in places like Michigan who voted for trump because they felt like they've been overlooked or written off for somehow robbed of their dignity. Absolutely, absolutely you know That's what I wanted, and that's why I really loved the script when I read it because he wasn't a jerk. He was a guy who tried. In his world tried to do the right thing in his mind and and and he liked you on. He likes him he and Giovanni opens his eyes things like. What they're paying you I mean, it's like. He. He thinks he's getting a great deal and here's this young kid coming along and saying. Wouldn't talk about so But Yeah I did I did You. Know we've all known people like this. We've all. been frustrated by people like this at the same time you know this guy, he's A. He's a good. He's not a bad man. Is Ignorant having grown up in Illinois. Do you kind of know the world in which this film takes place? I do. Do you know it's It's Stanley I don't think we really. Around people of Color. Around the. Wasn't in. Didn't know them. He didn't deal with them. He didn't. Didn't. Interact with and so. He has an opinion. And it comes from those around him who tell him what he should think or what's going on and it's easy. It's an easy way out say, Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's it's easy to say you know I worked hard all my life and nobody ever gave me and and don't tell me about white privilege you know but he doesn't. He doesn't understand that. Yeah. He has worked hard nobody ever said that he hasn't and he has struggled. Okay but he's never had an because of the color of skin. And that's one thing that's never been a problem for him. And you know He. Just doesn't see that it that doesn't come into the equation so. And I love the film because it's right it's it's. You're you're van Japan is the only one in the movie of grows. Stanley needs it and I said I said it's really John's Ville. Because it's he's the guy. Makes a decision in his life. To do something. courtly because he seems damning. and. Worse family is after sixty eight years you know who? All these theories. Mean I love the character I I really I think the film is i. just think it's terrific I was. Making there's this quality in Stanley that we recognize in some people that we meet out there that he sees value and dignity and a job well done even if it's a minimum wage job with very few benefits and probably not much of a retirement plan and this young kid Devan kind of opens his eyes to the raw deal that he's gotten out of life. And it's also said that somebody who is. Who is A good soldier. Like Stanley gets taken advantage of. You know and that's what Giovane opens. His eyes to. It's like you know come on you you talk about these people. The Guy who owns this thing is like he's some great. Benefactor here you know what? He's pay you nothing. And, you see what kind of a gift that he gets gets when he retires. A. Gift. Certificate to Dick's sporting goods. You buy one shoot. After thirty eight years. So not even. Know I think Andrew Cohen He- understands these people really. Terrific. And it's Right and I believe he has a background in documentary world right? Now. He's from Michigan and you know he's He's This is the first narrative film that he's that he's written, but it's g it's really nice I I just love it. Yeah. Yeah. Both of these films are terrific and it's interesting because has different. These two movies are kind of fun to watch them alongside each other because they're both sort of men who put a lot of effort into their work only to receive a pretty terrible return on their investment whether honestly or dishonestly you know. That's that's the that's. My Gosh Stanley's apartment that one four and as A. Little Room where he has to lock three times rumors. People living in rooming house. Just. What does he have in his from his life? High School Ring that he never veggies has been graduate. But he bought didn't you? They order their junior year and came and he paid for it though. where? They're both excellent films I recommend that people see them both this weekend Kajillions Air, and the last shift come out this Friday in theaters on September twenty fifth and Kajillions air we'll be available on video demand. October. Sixteenth. Richard Jenkins thanks for talking with me. Thanks for having me appreciate it. Thanks again to Richard Jenkins for coming on the show once more college near in the last shift opened in theaters on September twenty fifth and Kajillions air comes out on video on demand starting October sixteenth. If you enjoyed today's podcast. Be Sure to subscribe to us on Apple podcasts and Raden review us while you're. 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