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How to lead through a crisis with Andrew Bell

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How to lead through a crisis with Andrew Bell

"When consumer confidence is undermined prices will create the equation between buys and sells China's from a shortage of sellers and a high number of is each switches annoyed nod to the reverse and so quickly you can get in front of your clients insight done white from the mark of the slide. Ten percent twenty percent. Let's make that move now. Let's get you out of the market if you're night to sell if you're a long-term terrific I'm here for the people who need some help right now and often. It's the people around the financial pressure. Only stink to elevate the official cost of elite agent for Real Estate Industry. Sales professionals property manages leaders. We bring you the best minds in business in real estate to help you. List more. So more and elevate your results to download your written action guide from this podcast containing extra tips links and shortcuts visit elite agent. Elevate DOT com. Now here's your host subcommand the Maclay welcome to another episode of the podcast for we delve into some of the most interesting lines in business in real estate for the very best tips and strategies for you to Implement Elevate Your Business I'm Samantha. Mclean editor relate agent and host of this week show with forty five years in the real estate industry and most as the CEO of the Ri- White Surface Paradise Group. Andrew Bell is one of the most highly regarded principals Australia. The right what. Sieff is paradise. Group is the largest office in the right wide network and has held the mantle of number one international office on more than Twenty Wins Beck Anneli April Andrew. Right to me saying I see your articles and of course understand that you're trying to provide the industry with some of the best advice possible on how to weather the current Jane climate there would be on the a handful of agents in the country who have had experiences similar to mine. So when Andrew Bill Office up expertise inrushing? It's time to jump at the chance to get some insights from one of the industry's most experienced practitioners and believe me. I certainly did so. This is a pretty amazing. Listen that should give you some confidence that it should show pass and the future belongs to agents who understand. It's not about them. It's about the client and working hard for a great outcome. I hope you learn a lot from this chat with one of my experience. Real Estate Business Owners and don't forget to download the action. God at elite agent elevate dot com. So come to the podcast Andrew. Del Thank you nice to be with you. It's a pleasure to have someone of your experience on the podcast in a later of your caliber in the industry. You've been in the industry for forty five years and there's not much that you haven't seen and I'm thinking James of the seventies credit squeeze some major recessions the eighty sevenstock market crash. The PA strike eighteen percent interest rates. What she k. and of course the J. AFC more recently. And so it's a real honor to be able to talk to you about how to manage your way out across because of the crisis that we're currently in the coronavirus pandemic but before we get to that. Let's talk about a few of the past events and what happened and how you manage your way through them. So could we start with the eighty sevenstock market crash? What we have is one of the well. I collect factors knowing shortcomings It caught everyone Prize we wake up on Monday. Morning and Wall Street had fallen by seven hundred something about twenty five percent of its value. I've not and adjusts sent shockwaves through the world. The difference appropriate to anything. That's happened in morosely. It was somewhat limited to DIS applies in the stock market and it was not as robust as as some of the subsequent events and the impact on the economy was lastly restricted to that but it had clear impacts on financial institutions and so on so the normal thing is. I always former these crises is. There's a knee jerk reaction knee jerk. Reaction was just self Salo Salo F- and that just Y- put pressure rod through financial markets when the dust settled and the Toca bat six months in that particular event there was less experienced people in in terms of stock markets and they was not financial advisers and saw the element of noisy and what happened was a lot of money was taken out of the stock market and then went into the real estate market. It started the boom that ran through sort of the Thailand of seven into White. And into is tonight he no? I'm but that boom actually triggered the recession. We have which happened in the early. Nineteen nineties. What looked like a one period The real estate industry and that was our member doing an auction. Managua thirty three properties absolve thirty two under the hammer was like I'm still dreaming for that one and so there was a short period. A couple years of Maka then buying we went into that that necks periods. I can't use it as a comparison or anything more recently currently but it was the first real shock that ever happened in Mercury. Yeah so let's let's just row play these for say you wake up on that Monday morning or Tuesday morning here and read the newspapers and gotten into workers you normally would. What were the sort of things you would thinking about Your Business? At the time when that economic shock head thing I remember I had an actual auction elect coming the following Saturday elderly capital and of so excited they were retiring and I know you did this money to finance say their retirement is and I had a bad either non bidders on the auction and by the end of that week. I need is lighter. There was not one bitter and just the confidence was tightly sucked out of the marketplace and so are scratching my head. What do you do? How do we create bar is now while Tillman them? Cori- and so we went through a period of just lost. We didn't know the nothing lack of before and it was the least six loss mansue. Our income was smashed but we just did not have to respond. And there's always nothing responded. There was not as they wanted to inspect properties. Are Mike Office in Psalm? Inside that it was an awful period of time lost not knowing what to do and it was on because this trickle of money sided turning up way people started to show interest in properties that it was more the market that recovered us not ask working within the marketplace. We would just sucked on by the fact that more people start to come back into the market so we was the first experience I had no competence and are had no answer of what I should do to make a difference at the time. Yeah if you could one the clock back now knowing what you know now having the experiences that you've had now what would you tell yourself now if it happened again? Look the big listen and this is command of all the subsequent events and that is that when you can come to terms with what's happened you become the most powerful person in the marketplace at the time when you understand the journey that you follow at the fundamentals of what draw at market these consumer confidence when people at confidence will find Marcellus Shale. I'm going to get a great price and you gotta get mobilize who see sell buys. The auction is now and they sale this heart going hearing leave as going up often. We think that we agent. It's not the markets created. All of that we have plied pod and waving a little bit of magic but the reality was the market. So when you understand what's going to happen and that is that price will correct. When consumer confidence is undermined prices will correct the equation between buys and sells China's from a shortage of sellers and a high number. Is it switches. Almost I've annoyed to the reverse and just like all back. Its stock back. It's the Gulf billion. Mike good when there is more supply than there is demand. Prices will trim back. And so it's quick. You can respond to that head quickly. You can get in front of your clients insight done wake the mark of the slide. Ten percent twenty percent. Let's make that move now. Let's get you out of the market if you need to sell. If you're a long-term held a terrific I'm here for the people who need some help right now and often. It's the people on the financial pressure so forever office. Now we're in. We get enough hours in the day because there was so much to do to help people in this climate and that's what I would be telling myself out the Taj. You know what's going to happen. You know you gotTa roll the play. Get out there and help people. Yeah absolutely when an event like nine eleven came on because that again that was another event that devastated consumer confidence and again all the cycle that that you've been through. How did that compare to eighty seven? The thing that happened was obviously didn't directly affect us. We WON'T ATTACK. But what nine eleven dave was. Stop the Iraq and saw wolves and they gripe fee is about way with Zach and the guy was Russia Gonna come in and start playing a role in ad and of course immediately we had always taught me of Security around the world and was disruptive but it wasn't the same financial panic it was just a period of time disruption and it goes. Well often does happen when the period of fee poces a degrading auditorium but a degree of renewal stats to happen and that wasn't particularly long before we started to say things pick up again after that but it was an immediate shock to the system that the things that I found challenging things. Like say the pilot stripe which was back in the early nineties. Way What we have. Now Klein's on flying and that hasn't been nine months the city all week in the Gold Coast was heavily dependent on tourism and so it took all of Bosnia why we also had the eighty percent interest rates and we had a very lives on board properties. Here's investments that had to get out and so we got this glut of sellers and those things ran for a long time and then heard lots of people in the hip pockets stuff in the hip pockets that has the effect and the other common thing of length rule of these is. It always goes deep a guys longer than we imagine. We liked to hang on hype and thank all this. What's happening now? This'll be either probably in Israel. Six months dawn another consequences of the effects of it wisely. And it's about getting that reality that this is not a bad living in hope it will go deeper and longer than we imagined. Yeah interesting has what's going on now with the current virus pandemic say compared to the GMC and she thousand eight. Which is another cycle. That you've been through so this is like it's fascinating listening to someone who's painter the mall pretty much the affect US guide to measure the effect on this so now he can take surely wig on a lot more cells. I think of a lady that was running I. I was coffee shop at the Brisbane. International Airport. Donnie ZIPPO business alphabet. Nine months full all of this hit based pilot three hundred thousand dollars in equipment and so and it goes eight. Poets was shut down. Put OFF FORTY. Five staff still has the dance. All the leases that she had on the premises bib will never got back into business again. That is going to have a lagging effect on her. She'll take I just recovered. There'd be businesses lot that they'll never come back into business and side one employ the same volume of people in south. So this thing. We're going to see people who are going to are still out of the bank for that all that equipment. Anita sell something heimdal investment properties. So we're GONNA see is significantly more for sellers. Probably we just saw. Last week was a Jemmy invest robberies completely on incumbent with tomatoes completely on income. But but I'm going to sell it because I nine my business. And he was in the travel industry. I nine business will need the financial injection. So we gotta say a lot more of these type of problems coming on the market. And I know that we're gonNA find love the boys going. Ooh I can smell blood in the water. I'm I'm now hurry to sell and I was. GonNa Pie to me for that property. I'll probably offer about one point to now say what they say. So this'll be brought up multiple affected and potentially much deep up the difference. Is this cushioning effect. That the governor's put in place. What happened after the collapse of Lehman Brothers? Is that within four. Or five months thanks wherein taking properties off paypal and we had this lot of mortgage recyles inside you just saw the pipeline full of mortgage which buys even fatal of more of the blood in the While the markets on the white album and so was this knee jerk reaction by banks that caused this Ahmadis law. Now we have cushioning in place but this is Anita Pudding back. What's likely to happen for a lot of people or a job paper? What happens after job? Kepa passes by business. Hasn't picked up two more people. If business hasn't picked up I can afford the rent. Still and solid side. We're pushing some of this down the right of it. There's no talk about debt forgiveness yet so this is the difference is with put a Kushner Rian which will give people a little bit of breathing. Spice little thinking spice but the inevitable is still down the track. It's still going to catch up with us. Dan The track. And which is why. I say it's GonNa last longer because we wanted the worst but now we'll see the cumulative effect later on it is interesting because with the cushioning effect that you're talking about with the banks. I mean we've never seen interest rates so low at the moment and you just talked about that time when interest rates were eighteen percent. And you know you can. You can see how interests would kill people back then like I can vaguely remember it now. I've dated myself again fit. I mean interestingly. What you're saying is is exactly how it could play out so the banks have stepped up because I had a bit of. They gave themselves a bit of a bad name through the Royal Commission so they've stepped up and said we'll just pay the interest and the interest is minimal. But that doesn't mean it's going away anyway. I think the Wolcott if anything is to. What extent can the Government Cape throwing money at people a hundred thirty billion dollars? People lives number people in jobs for six months. But what happens after that? Can I rescue the moment? You know we've got ten SAGANA and be looked after or what about the landlords is going to be some support for them? It's not a bottomless pit of money. That the government can keep trying this inside some stage. We're GONNA start facing realities in their own individual world and just leave that they will be more sailors than boys to have. Long second lasts while. I'm not spending speculating. It because all now is I'm here to help people to die. Whatever the circumstances are and I'll give them the very best opportunity of getting the very best price in this marketplace. They probably knock. I'd be in a lab to shake my hand at the moment. But even if they could they probably wouldn't shake my hand insight withdrew changer. It's not like we've experienced in recent times where all of backslapping and Raji goes a marvelous. What a fantastic result. I'm lawyers say much of that but now year nine months from now that many of our clients again guy thank you. You gave me great advice or go through this thing. I I wasn't having the price but it's show better than I would have got if I wanted another twelve months knowing plice having a contextual understanding about what's happening in the marketplace gives you a much more powerful position to have good conversations with cells. And they gotTA BE. Opportunity football is that we re positioning pricing. And you want to capitalize on that you want to get in the capitalize on that and they'll be baugh this whenever you get the price Roy. Vise coming we saw that what ten days ago? Two ago with the Stock Market Salsa Salt and they bang its value all by not different At the moment you know there's a lot of people I would say three camps and a couple of people said it on webinars. A couple of weeks ago is that there is some agents who are out there having the good conversations probably with papal like business scientists saying. How can I help you who you know that I can help? That sort of thing is probably some people that are hitting refresh on the Australian every day or hitting refresh on facebook every day wondering when it's all GonNa be Iva all what's the latest sneezes and there's probably now the grape who who probably don't know what to do and we'll feeling at all businesses a failing and I'm show you felt it through the various cycles as well. So what are the sort of messages that you're giving your people now to give them confidence that these two show pass the best example of a most of Martine is I'm still standing abeyance. Release time and time again and I do find a vein Rando. Pots Alpha's group and get. There's regular can to talk to the guys we do. A lot of Google hangouts coast in Psalm is to try and share the experiences of the pass to see how we go through those periods of the things that we did to remind relevant into reminding business and so I find my team a more general now to all stories. You know years ago ended up. Silas guys are having here. Nice stories you save on the pilot striken zone and tell me more about that. What exactly happened. I think I can give out today or do give confidence from the fact that we've survived. Allies not one by comparison show the GMC will be walk in the park compared to what we dealing with now but the lessons when I can shy lessens the parallels of the events every time. We've had one of these calamities. The cause of it was different than the outcome was always the sign. The impacting the real estate market was always the side and somehow faithful of it. Now that wanted to be fearful of it just finished decision with a to vegas now Business because what we hearings clients saying things like alway white six months. I'd only spending money. Marketing can help him understand what that really means. Six months you want the white until you properties worth less. Is that what you're telling me you want to just go digital in your marketing which is where all bottomfeeders GonNa Start Gathering to pick the is out of properties. Now we gotta go out above that we're going to go out into the market so I'm really excited and not because of what's happened. I'm excited that. I got all of these experiences that canal be used to help around time but all of that. Klotz you don't get to use those skills frequently. And so they relevant and the that so thought prices the right person for the right market have a sense of responsibility to might show that God guys correctly but more importantly we help our clients. That's what I want. We value the clients. And I want them tonight. We're looking after them. Yes absolutely unite by fans of the guy by the name of Mock McLeod Aka. Max Is. He's nine inches. Some people you just mentioned about the market you know and if if the market's up then people consider themselves speak right agents because everything is selling and then if the market goes down then everyone's made sort of drops. I'm interested to know from your perspective. What makes a great agent in all with a like whether it's good bad or indifferent? There's no single answer the vast but it is to be client focused. That's obviously kriegel place. It's a bad year. Intent is mine tent to lie mine. Pockets Mike as much money as I can bodily About a is it. All about me was genuine about decline. An I can think some have an agent. Saddam Hussein that people have actually sold properties and not taking a a dollar in commission because they've had a circumstance where they've of look after this client and pilot looking after all just helped him with another purchase. Now might run another agent by. They just helped and side. Is that sort of Claude. Focus and the other is. It's clear right now is to actually know what is happening to know the market and now what's the best strategy in that marketplace and it is a sad to agree to have seen signed many people self absorbed in recent years Believing that by if some sort of marvelous amazing real estate is when there was the market and they lost the ability hind their skills because the market produced a result show. I did some things right. But this is where you really policies skills on my own personal growth. All throughout my life has occurred in the most difficult moments are rarely sleaze times from that. I know that Andrew Bill will be more competent person in two years time than I am now because I am going to absolutely analyze everything that do you die and get the learnings on the daily vices to Mike Myself Beta tomorrow whether it's doing a listing presentation with us talking to a by whether it's sharing experience with that staff? This is the opportunity for people to grow and Mike Kissel. This is the making of people or the breaking of them. Yeah actually I was talking to one of my friends. Who's an agent today and I said look in twenty years time you'll have a junior in your office. Who is complaining about some sort of mock it and you'll say well. He didn't leave through the Koran. Avars pandemic of twenty twenty. That will be the toughening up of a lot of people I suspect and the spice likely that this will have a massive social implications that life will never be caught a sign certainly for a long time to come as we remember it and I'm really should maintain their up time. Pick those trends on suspecting that we're GonNa see Multiple Mike Riding the Gulf coast because homosexuals were having with paypal now. Is this on quality life of me now? You know we're we're going to move up to the Gulf is in that it was more that topic conversation. I'm hearing multiple say I've got to work from high. Lord knows how that happens but I think that means the people want better. Hinds might be more practical himes to actually work from so. I think there'll be a lot of social changes and kind of impact on real estate. Yeah will you know it's funny? I was thinking all of these things before this pandemic kit we were actually packing up and moving to the Gold Coast forbid a life and I can see definitely how that would be playing on people's minds right now like why am I sitting in the middle of Sydney. Was something like that. Well looking out my window. There's another cloud to be saying. And it's twenty eight degrees to die of frames and Melvin. They're oh racked up and saw that. Look way you Mike it but I do think that real estate pricing differential will play bigger role. Now I think more people will be thinking about do. I Really WanNa have to me and taught up in my stop too. Ill dropped a million a half whatever we. We saw the early stages of that people just going I can sell them. Melvin till you two and a half million Gulf For million and I got the wrist apply wits and so I think they'll be more of that tough place leaving into you know I can imagine. I am jealous spit. That's the thing I think. The work from wherever trend was happening before this I talked to Lisa Messenger about it last year and we thought we could run this business from wherever and I think we can you and I think now a lot of people who thought they couldn't work from home we'll be thinking or yeah I can Yep and you know and then there'll be a lot of people choosing with I WANNA leave coming out of this pandemic we've been moving more and more of offices at a retail and into office spice because why you pay premium rights for retail when my pickled ended a one a guy that your office so this is just the hell process up and now I even think smaller offices because I think will probably end up with half the people wanting to work from home Those Social China's think are inevitable. And it'll be a big shift in the hallway. We operate a on Saturday. A property commercial property in gladstone. Now we're on the go. Counseling Gladsden never saw and he went. Unconditional just inspecting it on video now. Mafia had auctions is payable guy. I don't want to go the auction. This bidding nail the challenges that a likely to happen across industries is significant. Not necessarily for the better. But they'll be just shifts and we'll accommodate. Does that was going to be my next question to you. Actually was about the online auction fact. Because I think you'll one of almost experienced auction easy. If not they might see experience auction we have in Australia. I think I read somewhere. Seventeen hundred auctions or something like that or mome. Seventy thousand seventeen thousand. Sorry hundreds. Neither there was a seventeen minute. Vogel good operations. Yep SEVENTEEN THOUSAND AUCTIONS. Over which time you must have learnt a whole lot. Look I have to admit to like I was definitely in the cab? Probably even a couple of months ago. That said online auctions are K. You know like if you're into state by or an overseas buyer or something like that then yeah okay but I remember thinking Estonians like like they like the AFL on a Saturday like they like the forty on a Saturday. It's almost a national. You know I'm going to go and have a look at this auction. How Ye guys feeling at the moment because an array. What as a group is a big auction group in terms of that sway the whole DNA. The company comes from is from auctions. How you guys handling the online auctions base right now very comfortable with that somewhere in the nine hundred ninety s and we've done by gone side in ruins but because we have somebody Auroi's apartments around here. We wound allowed to do auctions onsite so we needed to do them in rooms and increasingly. We're finding at with Sidney in Melbourne that I couldn't always be present at auction amendment tightening. Sing like a bit of a risk of nuys. Eisner said why don't you bid by telephone line will accept your bids and you can do your bidding and then we had sellers too much. The Same Guy Fly Melvina Galkayo for three minutes auction. Can we just hear it on the phone so we started right way back in the facility for us to battle real estate by auction when the Party was in the room? And so we've been doing that for nearly thirty years so the concept of doing online auctions and we call a private option because we're not restricted. Just the online with most people are actually speaking to the ball either unlikely idea of bidding by prison cable to talk to people era auctions that we conduct he now is the boss speaking to an agent relying the bid to me. So it's really nothing you. The thing is as an auction. Overcrowd- adds to the atmosphere inside having a party with now on so turning up to have the party with you so wear depth into that and it's it's it's not unusual we auctions last Thursday. One probably had five on the fine. We just had five representatives. They're all spiced out to meet requirements and so on that auction was Ibovi. Rollout the Knicks. Coupla GO is coming for the next option. It's been simple August kinda miss the crowd. Yeah I can understand that. I think it would be very hot as an auctioneer to move into looking at a camera and doing doing the thing. It would be something that you definitely held a fun. Pot always was interacting with people and I remember just recently saw an probably do an Indian Guy Young God probably about twenty years of I five is lined up with all their turbans on and silent and they were clapping with every auction. I'm so excited. We want. And then eventually one of them starts bidding on the Knicks. Probably on while you hear that went through the whole process and I was just robbed. Every time he bid they were clapping and it was just beautiful environment and always doing the banner with them and it was just a lot of fun and I was a happy happy. Die At now under this current condition. Yeah I think that will come back. Because there's nothing more exciting than buying a higher. I think it's definitely can't think of anything else. That is more exciting than beating winning auction so having said that there are probably some things as a result of current avars that he to stay here because things change and people start talking about new news and new normals and pivots. And all that sort of thing. Is there anything that you think has been a good thing or an opportunity to innovate as a result of carnivorous it? That you would keep what we're doing. Now is an example all of my now contacts with the outside side. World Google hangouts really zooms or whatever you WANNA use inside. I think my leadership team used to be that out for the officer. Why was a forty five minute drive for them to come for religious meeting? And then forty five minutes back. That's will never happen again. It'll be good. Go hang outs some any. That clients are interstate and often. I've sees will just be making fun call again. We'll be having go hang out and side. I think they'll be a lot more efficiencies I'm certainly intention is by year's end to be completely paperless. We've reviewed everything from direct miles. Why do we need to print it? Print anything like Hannity Show. We'll send them `electronic than a Borussia and so. I think there'll be a lot of practical changes it'll happen. I'm embracing I'm excited by oil. That greater efficiencies and I think the dies of sticking things in people's way the boxes I think it's GonNa be a pushback on that bar consumers site trae somewhere in the world is not damn for you'll Prussia and I say this pollution anyway side. It will make us much more progressive in the way we handle marketing and they they all fashion wise. I think it'll be theoretically the industry. Yeah I think you're right. I think consumers are already on their way to that conclusion before the pandemic and now. Because we're having this discussion in one of L. Online groups. That is anyone so during letterbox dropping. Bit What we're hearing is that can she might WanNa touch pace piper. That someone has dropped into the letterbox. Because everyone's quite obviously jam service right now. We're being interest margin you guys for the supermarket. Nam Nam Saimaa. And you see somebody coming to Login. And you consciously like separate Others that you've got the Blue Bunny. I wonder how quick we'll get back to where they give each other a hug and a high five and a half inch thick and so on. It's it's it's an awful feeling like what we're creating my way with a look at everyone with an element of fee that maybe you've got. Yeah well that's it and I feel the same way walking in through the market. You know when you're looking at people and you don't WanNa get close to people mind you think the silver lining of that is. Everyone's much better managed in the supermarket than they used to be. And I don't have a shopping trolley up. My you know rearrange it at checkout which I long. May that continue. So let's get onto some advice. Let's talk about pep someone. That's just entered the industry at these crazy time because there are people that are now who just started jobs in the industry. What advice would you give to someone? Who was a complete newcomer about what they've just landing? Let me say this I. I think it's getting harder and harder for New People in into the industry because a lot of what we used to do to build connections with people having slyly shutdown. The inability is Finance to call Cole. Paypal increasingly shutting down direct mile in any form oppose laws. Why and saw exist die that they will actually ban the box drops from a security perspective. Even Dole. Knocking is getting a highly risky now and so I really difficult. Has Somebody get themselves into the marketplace? Get themselves now and on the other side. Coin is better. I have been around for some time. Now have really developed the out of Isis. And they've got much easy why to build relationships with the Paleo trying to crack into just a meat inside this huge advantage of those that have been around for a while with building a good personal data and he about Amazon. You person side difficult. I'm calling this time because if I look around and insane all parts of the striper in the pats looked at and particularly narrow market. Everyone's being reduced down to zero. This no one really standing ale. Print media's lists visible now might be Pi ch with somebody Peijan half of somebody else. They certainly not doing the books dropping as much as I did. In all forms of self promotion before Obama's disappear so this is magical moment even someone as a newcomer. Actually stand out by doing something significant significant johnny mostly giving them nothing but actually stand up and there was a like Elijah L. Y. The highly of a herd of and he had three pages in the pipe last week happened as papal Sydney. Who's that I've never heard of them before? That's the opportunity the moment for a new Tama. Somebody who really hasn't been prominent and wants to have a real quick so there's this equalizer and sometimes even the people who the most experienced the ones who mold perplexed about what's happening right now because they might have operations being rocked so I think it's a great opportunity. You just go tonight at a Napa Guy through it and obviously the ability to connect with paypal is GonNa be the Hanoi giving contact with more people with riding tension. Obviously as you were saying earlier what about to someone who's gone into business and has been in business. Let's just say. Let's run a typical scenario in the industry. Which is our Bainian real estate sales for four or five years. I've had some good years. I've decided to go out on my iron Bain business through last year which was an interesting year of two Hobson. Now I've been hit by these and I don't know if I'm GONNA survive it. What would your advice bay well? They will be casualties and probably more casualties. This time than anytime I've seen previous and people need debate some practical decisions as to whether on prepared the tough this out and that means on nate had the financial resources today. Silane the city and make that decision the better because if it's longer DEEPA and you don have reasonably good resources to support your business. Then why blind money longer than necessary? Better make that decision. Sometimes it could be masterminding with another business. Whatever the case might be but for those that do have ambition to together distance and in the posh you now real estate businesses with built some comfort in previous down turns from they rent roll. But it's GonNa be interesting to see the effect on rent rolls with tenants having tenant strikes and and people seeking reductions in rents and semi probably coming availability in going in the permanent Randall's. What's that journey? Was Rentals vacancies. Lower Rents Vacancies Tetra etc. Whilst you rent roll the Case Gun Abate Hal. My going to be the agent that someone's going to select what is my point of difference. Now we know why they liked it. Other agents may be myself in the past because I looked lovely and shiny and ano- said to be getting good results had all I get was good results in this marketplace heather while I actually win the hearts and minds of people. And that's what it's too hot to cover the very sick to die about understanding prices. Soften Guys Amok Gumbo Miami plan is. Let's listen to this figure. Amil stick it on the Internet Died like JANCIS. Yeah you gotTa have a strategy Getting price right and getting Quickly because the market starts to to slide emprise. If you can't get ahead of that decline you'RE GONNA be falling down all the time always missing avenue. Missile always missing atmosphere always missing missile. It's Spain Iowa two DS get ahead of wherever price point is right now to Mike. Ballistic have more soluble than the other listings. My competitors have and. There's not in that. There is a process that we always guide through at the corporate thing. We're managing human emotion. He it's a massive responsibility to do that effectively. But that's what we do. We manage human emotion. You can't do that by a five minute. Compensation here in the void for the next three weeks in another five minute conversation than some. This is genuine care for clients. And let's also summarized this by you can have to work hard over the next six. To twelve months is successful agents will be the ones who are at the during everything they possibly can. This is a time to set yourself up for many years to come. Yeah we're an industry where we attract a lot of faith with silence and like come in when the money looks easy to be my and I disappear when the money's tough the to Mike but the one's you've set themselves up a nice tip tough times. They also enjoy the good times. Yeah absolutely one more question. So we've sort of we've done the Nubian we've done this sort of the the middle of the range thing. Let's just fast forward that and let's just say I'm a successful later. I've got a few offices around the place and I'm wondering you know how to best weather. The storm with a number of people in different places. What sort of advice would you give to that sort of a later right now? It really tough this one. This is very difficult. 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You're going to be working HOTTA and you're going to need a like a wide range of emotional intelligence skills to be able to be the person that your people are looking towards and if you make a mistake well let's let's look at Scott Morrison for example. You know decisive leadership. And he's putting himself out. He's willing to sort of make a few mistakes for the sake of you know moving everyone Ford for the better and I think that's probably not a bad metaphor. F- alitas out that he might be listening to. This is defrayed to be decisive and get out. They get off. Now ask the question a bad leadership and I people asking what's my definition of it and familial. I think are brought it down to this understanding that leadership is the ability to influence others to change. And so that's what I see. My responsibility is that how we were operating throughout at business. 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Train Like a Triathlete  Podcast Ep. 35

Living Healthy Podcast

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Train Like a Triathlete Podcast Ep. 35

"Hey everyone and welcome back to the living healthy podcast presented by L. A. Fitness. I'm your host Andrew Bell and I'm your host for any wall so this is our our last episode before we take our holiday break but fear not we will be back in January for more living healthy action to help you recover from the holidays Speaking of which Bernie I wanted to ask you. Do you have any holiday traditions looking forward to I mean other than decorating the house going out getting entry. I mean those are kind of my favorite traditions but really as the family gets bigger Britain as years go on. It's really hard to get everyone together. So any time we can get the whole family together for any sort of meal and just kind of you know talk over thankful for catchable number like over the last year has been up to. I mean. That's kind of my favorite thing to do holidays. What about yeah? I always make Pumpkin Pie or two pumpkin pies. I I always make to Pumpkin pie thing. I 'cause you gotTa have more Pumpkin Pie. I don't know there's more people like in case one. No it's not. They never burn the Premier Pumpkin pie maker. I was a little bit. I'm pretty decent at it but then you owe me you owe me is like okay. We'll definitely bring it over Bake you wind because I've got an experienced by had to bake too because I burn the first one. Okay that's the second one somehow. It always seems to work out for me. I did just find out. How long do you think Pumpkin Pie can last after you make it before it's like you need to eat it or throw it out? You mean like after it's been cooked yes after you make. It is getting freezing in time for yes I guess I would say a year. You can freeze like a wedding Ri. No okay don't freeze your Pumpkin Pie. We're not freezing it. But in general the Little Creek Creep data has how you might go. I'm just going to the answer here a week decent answer I would say week two three days. Are you kidding me. You have three days sita. Pumpkin you can buy after you make it. Are you really holding onto the Pumpkin Pie a week later. It's probably I will. That is true but I actually made one about a month ago because it was just craving so I made one and then I didn't finish it and it was like a week and later and my wife is like no I still. She's like no you. You have to throw it out and we had this whole argument because we always have argued. It smelled fine. I three hour her. It looked probably what states anyway. That's one of my traditions. Hurries her reasoning. Yeah there's gotTa be a reason why you're Weiser's intelligence you know because she just knows. When food goes bad she used to be like a food manager and stuff and she took all the courses and she she knows all the precise times milk goes bad and all that stuff now? I didn't I assume she was looking at me the whole time so I couldn't do otherwise anyway. Okay so now we're going to get a lot healthier here on the healthy podcast and let's jump into today's episode today. We're talking with the iron man. Dave Ruby about what it takes to Mentally Cillian physically compete in ironman competitions and really just how to live your healthiest life. No matter how old you are or what your background is. Dave has competed in and won. ironman competitions sends all over the world including qualifying for multiple ironman world championships. He's not just about the medals though he's much deeper than that and he has a great attitude about about competition. So we're excited to wax poetic with him here during this interview and to quote one of my favorite Thanksgiving movies of all time planes trains and automobiles like a twig on the shoulders of mighty stream. We're just GONNA go with the flow so please welcome to the show Dave Ruby. How you doing Dave doing good? Thanks thanks for having me. Thank thank you for sitting through our Pumpkin Pie Banter. You should use three. Yeah that's great. Well you can afford to eat a Pumpkin pie because you just burn calories like crazy I assume so. Let's get a little background on your real quick. So how long do you participate ironman events. How long have you been doing that? Did my first triathlon. The triathlon on series in one thousand nine hundred five. Oh so you've been doing this a while and yeah pretty every year every year pretty much every year pretty much every year. Wow Okay so how did how do you get. Explain what an Ironman is for people. That don't know well a distance okay. Okay and the IRONMAN distance. This is the longest in the triathlon world and asked to point four mile. Swim one hundred twelve mile bike. Twenty six point two mall run now. Oh my back. In the early days there was only five. Okay now five around the world and I was fortunate to do all. Five is a great way to travel the world for me. Yeah and back. Then the offer to host stay so I got to stay with host families in Japan in Germany in Sweden and Canada was just wonderful but now it's huge a huge corporation. They're everywhere but iron man is a distance. Okay now it's a big huge corporation to got bought a couple of years ago and they're everywhere. It's huge huge right. Answer your question. It's the long distance. Wow a hundred. Did you say one hundred Twenty Mile Bike Rider in twelve hundred twelve as long as as long. WHOA whoa feeling so white meat? You want to get started in that you know one. Little small step led to another and I come from a running background and always served served in the water and road biked so I kinda got into triathlon during in its inception and this is before for Arrow bars which may sound foreign to you guys before Klis pedals tour to France and even wetsuits triathlon on specific websites. That was doing those archaic days which was really still awesome. But it's come a long way since so one little sprint led to. I'm going to do one when iron man won ironman distance and when I was doing that one ironman distance that first one I said this is the last one. I'll ever do this this behind. uh-huh I wanted to swim to get over after about three quarters away. The bike at eight miles. You just went off that see. You're erasing you're racing to. It's not a tour our cycling and I'm ready to go in. Yeah and then then the marathon you know your legs are filled up with lactic acid and your low backs type from leaning over and I swore I'd never do another one again. You signed up for another one. Yeah and then you do one a year. I'm assuming wing. How how many times can you even long nutty I can? And it's just kind of nutty crazy biomechanically and systematically. I've just been kind of freakish able to do it but I'm adamant I listened to my body. Yeah that's number one but people just think your news Moscow bad well biomechanically. I've been Pretty good but I I do what I need to do. Some support good shoes. Yeah and but systematically to your that's a lot of cortisol you know going on through your system and a lot of stress hormone so A lot of beaten up people get cooked and I get to that point and I just back back. Go go off and recover and recharge and have another race on the radar. And that's IT I train. Accordingly to that and try right not to go in overtrained period. Yeah which how do you train to do. An iron man I mean. Do you start by training. Just for a five K.. Like you talked like your. You're big in the beginning to train for an iron man. You're already been around a while. You're thinking iron man you've already got a huge base. You've already got a lot of experience variance like you've done marathons already well. Yeah you ran long. You know if somebody says hey. I want to Ironman one day. And they're sedentary Terry Couch potato the that's still possible. Anything is possible and that is possible they can do it and these days. A lot of people are so huge and popular. Where so you don't have to have an athletic background but you do have to start somewhere and build and that might be a one mile run to run five mile run and then the bike but as for me? How do I prepare like keep a base all year long because I race around? Okay if I'm going to pick out a long distance I have to train for that distance distance. Okay and I do things a little bit different like I said I keep a base all year long. I say fit. Listen to my body but if I'm going to do a full distance well I have to put in some five six hundred mile bike rides. which kind of means writing for my house beach trail boomed pch down to oceanside flip it comeback? But that's a pretty flat course. Often iron man's that are racing around the world are very hilly lot of elevation. Yeah so a guy. So it's it's different stuff but then again I live pretty. We're pretty. He blessed. I live at the bottom of the San Gabriel Mountains and Elephant Mrs Reagan on Foothill and Baseline and baselines kinda indicating. Right along the foothills where we live right above that. So everything I train on. It's pretty much Going out of traffic out of cars. So how do I train for you. You know you build you build and get ready for it you. I mean I imagine to train. You have to find places where you can even go those distances like you know what I mean like. You have to figure out route to go those and there's Glendower mountain road. GMO on Mount Baldy which are very common with cyclists. You know right in my immediate area but I train a lot wrote on my mountain bike just yesterday. And for instance once called Sunset Ridge and it's a dirt fire road. That'll take me from from there to Mount Baldy so it's just awesome. Because I don't see cars I look for wildlife and I'm still ANAEROBIC lactate threshold and getting that quality workout in and it's to me it's spiritual to beautiful and hard and then coming down and gotta be careful if I tumble and I could be somebody's meal that night. Yeah right right yeah. Yeah so that's interesting. You brought up kind of the spiritual side of things like I've heard you know with with long distance running. It's it can become almost like meditative. So is it the same thing in ironman competitions or how. How does your mentality work as you're going through that Training Wise. It is a form of meditation. Because you kind of blank out you know. I'm not really thinking of the the things that are on the table. You know in in life and you kind of get into zone is have you found that beneficial in your life over the years when you're going through something stressful in your life whether it's relationships relationships or work or whatever it might be that you actually would turn to kind of exercising Yeah you know like I said I train all year long way every time I if if I went for a hard run or bike ride I'd be going out the door all day long but is it. You know a benefit fit hands down to try to keep some balance you know with A. It's a stress. Training hard is stress stress on the body. Okay but it is a good to me a good stress. It's a good stress into combat. With the other stresses that we have on the freeway or on the news and fires going on and just chaos you bet. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's a good way to it. Sounds like do you listen to music when you do well I do I. Yeah Yeah not not uh not all the time okay but at the gym and fitness. You know I often do you know I'm an evening workout guy there but I do but not that much. I just don't want to and a lot of times I just don't want you. I love music with sometimes. No I'm good with just quiet and you know again I'm not running down payment achievement down streets through neighborhoods right. I'm in the woods. Ills Yeah Awesome. Yeah well you. You brought a belly fitness. So what do you do in the gym. That kind of helps helps you prepare for these races for the bottom line. Is I use. La Fitness probably five times. A week you know and it just got me to thinking me he coming here man. It is a big part. You know of of of our piece of Pie. Okay I I swim there. Okay okay Most athletes are in a Master's program at a private pool. and Boom. I just don't you know I just I go when the Kraus's house low and there's not of course classes going on or I kind of have my niche. I know I can get in and work out not idiot you know. I just want him swim. If there's other people they're they're doing not much but doesn't matter they belong just as much as I do. Even though I'm seriously training by do that but no a another big benefit plus and positive outcome that I've had as I strength training there. You know all week long. I'm not trying to get my biceps. Bigger I'm not trying to bench press maximum. I just don't but I do maintenance three four times a week there. Yeah yeah we're kind of. Can you take us through one of your routines. Or what's your kind of cycle of workouts. Do you kind of served you focus on one question and the last night. I don't know if you guys can follow track in my little board more but I was there last night. We're going to verify their I'm late. I've probably nine forty-five guy at the front door. Great kid everybody in there. That's it's come and gone family. It's a family environment. Matt Matt's crazy young kid and they all seem to go somewhere after that but not to get off track you know again. I'm I'm a little bit different in there. And a lot of people do Kinda know me as not a lot of people but there's people are going to work out and that's fine. There's people that do their classes. But I got my own routine. I think it gets a lot of respect. I mean boom I hit the pull up bar and boom all just rip off twenty to get started. Wow that's just get going but I work everything that's kind of conducive with with what I do. That's swim and run. If I do anything on an Orthodox Jack Myself up right okay you know anybody can right so i. I work every body part often every time. I'm in there but I'm not in there that long. I'm boom boom boom go from circuit circuit circuit cricket so a lot work a lot of cables and a lot of work in deltoids traps. That are swim. Can do swimming do squats. I do press risk for legs. And you can cycle psycho cycle run run run. And that's great but I recruit different little muscle groups man when you're at mile eighteen on that run in and you're just co- you know everything's John You know and I swear by you know by the strength training that I do aside from cycling and building them back threshold in an ANAEROBIC ANAEROBIC threshold video to Max now. The straight training hands down has been. I'M NOT GONNA say secret weapons. It's not a secret and everybody should know it. It's hands down mm-hmm part of my success. I mean yeah if I didn't I don't know I'm not going to us. And since your training and competing all your. How do you balance that with the recovery as well as string Mrs Away I look at it and a lot of people don't trough on has changed through the years? Nobody has a coach in their online coaches. So I work with a lot of athletes. I do what's kind of come down Andy sports massage. Everybody that gets hurt comes Dave Ruby and I'm also a mentor and I share with them and I'm just not a cookie cutter. You Know Sports. That's what you do your job. Love is what I do yeah. I'm also just yesterday last night. You know I'm telling Dwayne look dude you know you gotta you gotTa back off man right you know. You're you're having your races out in your training training and then you're showing up your training your race. You've already had it right. Our cavalry is just as important. Recovery's more important. There's an old saying and it's not an old saying it's your it's just a fact you're better off going into a race. Ten percent undertrained than one percent overtrained. Once you conclude that needle's gone past that and you're cooked and not recovering and you know right minor Conrad's all broken down everything's fried you're done. You WANNA train to get yourself right that threshold. Where like you still going to need to do? Something a little union race you nailed it and nobody's ever said that but that's exactly what I do come race day. I'm there I'm there to do my best okay but it's also going to be my hardest workout okay and it's kind of just work years a lot of people don't grasp that concept you know and it's just crazy a big popularity the half ironman these days it becoming a popular and I like that too because you can just give the throw thraw a little bit more A little bit harder the whole time although it's still long distance okay. But I did a couple this year. Even went to Cuba reeks of Anna. Elliot on Core Ratio Fr-. Yeah but like for that race I mean I save my hardest day for that for that day and where the people will go put their big mileage and a week to before Noggin happen with the sky. Now Yeah and it's just it's it's still mind boggling me even though you said it like ten minutes ago Bob what the distances are for this thing. It's like unreal so close my mind it it is. It's just like so. How do you okay? Because that's so mind boggling. You can't just say say I'm GonNa do an ironman necessarily like you have to. How do you wrap your mind around that kind of distance bike? Twelve miles a lot of people. These days it's a bucket get lister. Is there bucket. So it's changed a lot back. Nearly as everybody was pretty fast. You know everybody did it. You know it was a small group and but now and power to now. Do you have a seven hour cutoff. Okay so that's a long day you know you can you. Can you can do that. You can have some sandwiches which people don't swim and and on the bike and then on the run seven hours you know trust you guys can do it added I tell people you get in your car. If you don't have that gas is up fuel to get you to take you to San Diego. You're going to rent a gasoline. Can and get there and with an ironman distance number. One thing is true. But you gotta keep that fueling you keep the fuel in you and and you don't go out too hard bounce stuff you're going to just you know motor along and get through it. But how do you wrap yourself around. I'm going to be the first to say ironman really is not the healthiest activity. You know you do too many and it's going to catch up to you so a toll on your body assistant matic you know again. You just got all this cortisol stress being sent through your system and it's GonNa Affect and adrenaline Reynolds adrenal glands. You know so. Yeah it's it's it's crazy so do one every week. I'm sure the race gets half. What do you do to push it? Lets you like mindset. That's a great question and what I try to share with other people. You're going to have highs and lows ran there's GonNa be some lows and that's for a few factors. It's freaking hard. You're out there a long time you know. And it's easy to muscle glycogen or your blood. Sugar can easily drop and you just have to stay on top of it with carbohydrates and galleries and I learned in the early days. One of the first things on on the bike. I started saying this sucks. I just went off the bike. You're at mile a mile thirty two miles ago which is a long way when you are not. Yeah but I learned to you know we should I myself should be taken about three hundred calories supplemented throughout this race. Three hundred calories in take five take two hundred and fifty that little fifty just maybe enough for my blood sugar to dip and the first thing to go is your thinking. That's the first thing man you know somebody will drive. I see looking good saying what. Three hundred hundred three hundred calories total for the race or no thousands houses calories race you have to. I have to ingest three hundred. Even four hundred wins hired the race during Ashley every hour so I got him on my to you know I gotTA system. Jails on my top two bars in my l.. A. Fitness little rockets tickets that. And you eat them while You keep flying okay you know you go through eighth station on the bike and you're going twenty miles an hour and they got a volunteer out their on. Get Social Sketch. Because you're flying on one of the guys that I'm always so nice that's one of my pet peeves of people that are mean man. BS got have worn for them right so yeah they're out. They're scared you're flying by water bottle and you gotta catch it and talk about different. That's a healthy. Have you ever had to stop doing your race or take a break or You know so stubborn and Taipei. That's probably I am a little bit good at it because honestly like in the marathon and that's partially my success. Having some pretty good times at Ironman I wanted over. Thanks are walking. You know I'm homerun this whole Dang thing I put together a pretty good marathon but us a great question you know. I did a six hour event mountain bike race just this last. We can go Saturday. And it's considered an ultra event. It's hard and I do for training for training but had to stop I crap man. I camps hamstring cramp. Yeah can't go in a dependency. They'll work low potassium not quite. Yeah Nothing Yeah Oh yeah when you're in a race I mean so it's having a couple of times. Yeah so I have to do everything I can. CANTU prevent that find what works I'm pickle juice. Tried heard of the sodium magnesium manganese but what works for me and not a is a little thing called hotshot. Anna's Ns like just gnarly nasty tasting. You know pepper cinnamon and I won't get all scientists Cayenne pepper but what it does one hits your Safa August. It sends messages down to the muscles. And it's true they done scientific and the only thing that works for me and it's just uniform because it really sucks you having a really good race and then boom. You're you're out GonNa feel good about the fact that you back. You always always always always have but you know again. I'm out there to compete against other guys. They see that guy. You're a minute ahead. On and off in your division is on the calf of erasers. And you go man you know it is what it is and sometimes I can you know retaken right but yeah you get inches thrown in you know. It's a long day on that distance and things are gonNA happen. So what is it about competing that you like the most. What do you like about competition in the most or doing these races? Oh Aw man okay a couple of things. I've been fortunate to to travel the world doing it. You know and I do a pretty frugally but race on on every continent swam in all oceans except for over there too with the races so I love to travel love. Love love the travel aspect of it. I liked to do my best out there in a sometimes it's a PR personal record. But you know I'd get in the zone as I'm different. I'm a different cat when it comes to some people like get there two hours early and be now man. I just like to get their set up ten minutes race. We Start and I go and then you're out on your own my moment you're out there the whole time but again I'm pretty blessed to to have been able to continue to do it. You know and and who knows what tomorrow is going to bring no overuse injuries and a broken finger. Broken that finger carbone twice so there's traumatic injuries to on the more. You ride right riskier again. I'm guessing that's where most injuries happen is the writing right because you've got a straw fic- like big. Yeah unfortunately fortunately with the cars and stuff and the it's it's gotten worse but again I'm ninety percent off road on a mountain bike. That's my training and and I do take a little bit easier. You know descending from Baldy bomb I don't WanNa get hurt. Can't afford to get hurt but it can happen and it's often collarbone. I've been there a couple of times. Yeah I I must compound fracture in my car but yeah you never know how much use your car moon till you. What kind of put on a shirt day? Little getting up loose show anything. Yeah reading about your trip to Alaska. Ah last year just last year just handed magical and that was the only one of them and it was magical. I was told in. That's got me going here. If people tell me Oh anchorages you said Alaska right. Yeah People Sit Anchorage. Oh careful I went through was just flipping beautiful. I love it. People Have Anchorage I race outside of Anchorage and he was twenty degrees in the dam and when the race director says all right we suggest s you have a Moose Bell and I never knew misspell news out on the course on your on your and you put on your seat post on the back. You're saddling because Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding. So and you're coming through these woods Pacific northwest say the same where I live people pushing strollers right and horses big man. I didn't know Moose can be mean calf years. Go back on man. I never knew I'd Radler this kind of you get annoying just hearing that all the time. Have you tune it out or something like that you know. Yeah a lot of people didn't have them but that's really yeah. It was just one of them the winter last year and I was. I was doing the exterior which is off road traffic right and I was chasing all that I wanNA do. I had a goal and my goal was to win my Division in the regional section which has seven states you know of our side and at race in Alaska Race in Hawaii two times Oregon Portland Oregon Hag Lake the deepest Lake man-made Lake which I learned when I got there divas man-made Lake in our country and to me that Wisconsin Cookie It just something everywhere. I've deal with sharks. I assume the ocean all the time. I won't speak to you food. You suits me. Its Oh yeah you know there are no bottom ray. Whatever reason ocean all the time man and I'd like ordeal of the sharks? I won't miss it to you just as good but w well there you know. I'm really up on anything ocean oriented and you know and there was just an attack just this morning in Australia Shark attack so it happens but it's so rare so rare and I've never you know never Whatsoever yeah anything? I've seen him. You know free diving and stuff and I just go. It's time to get out exit water but even when we're competing they're going to be out there but they don't want to do with us and I figure if there's two thousand other competitors you know times four limbs. I got a pretty good chance nice. Good man being the one Do you you mentioned you know you had to go with this thing that you want to reach. What is your process for setting a goal for yourself? You know it's just kind of what's up that okay itchy excited or yeah no you you you you you dangle dingle dangle the carrot out there and And and you know to me. It's a reason to keep training hard and go race and go to new places so is it usually something. That's just like you feel like he's a little bit outside of your reach or that your little unsure of or worried about or is it just something that you're like that'd be nice to have in my belt or Kinda Kinda right there. You know I mean part of me is is You know I'm I just chop do what I can while I can you know and in and again there's a lot of people out there that just I think maybe do for the wrong reasons you know and it's all about them and to me it's not you know it's it's a personal thing but outside of that no it's just it's exciting. It's adventurous and and it's healthy. You know he's a favorite that you've competed in fire. Oh Man I've have a Hawaii ironman. You know because it's so hard you have to call to get there and it's so hard and to get there and and so probably there and this last one a couple of weeks ago no no did did not set goals and aimed at you know you have to call radio in and do that and like I said I raced steer last year I race. Extra seventy point three worlds in Australia last year. So so yeah. It was a great way. Never Been Australia. It's a great way but a lot of people don't are saying to me. I flew out on Thursday. Busy busy busy work. I flew out on Thursday and I said eighteen hour. Fly Theresa Half Ironman on Saturday. Oh yeah that's it. That's that should be like. What Iran plus? Please let him Yes jetlagged ask. How did that work out for you? You know I alpha go there thinking I'm a rock and roll then we're back. I didn't have the legs for the I had a good run. I had a good race but not as fresh and Perky as wanted. And you know when you're flying back. I said there couple of days and saw the Australians are phenomenal. Beautiful friendly people came back but yeah that's you're sitting on that plane and that's when it starts it's not much not much body fat and legs. You can see anything but they were just like stumps from the Dima fluid and you you know from the race flight and then the flight. Yeah we didn't up in the air the air. What is happening to you? And it's not that they probably say that when I get up and I can barely moved down the is trash you know. What's it like your favorite thing? I wanted you as soon as you doubt the race. You GotTa have something you love to either meal or whether it sit down. Do you really not hungry because it's so much you're drinking ten lewis sugary stuff up throughout this course and probably just lay down to kind of move around a little bit and just really be kind of stoked at it's done and you go through it. Okay gain everything and it is good Africa. There's always you know there's a war survey that night with a big awards dinner and people just from everywhere everywhere from so many countries. Do you have to train differently. For different climates in different areas. That you're traveling to what's absolutely best if if you do. Sometimes I kind of learned the hard way but especially the he yeah. I often race in the off-season somewhere like Panama. which is in March Cuba? Good is in February. So it's cold here where we're Yeah hold here there That's that's a good one. I kind of wing it on that time. But I've gotten you know my body's kind of used to it but the key is is to keep your your body core as cool. You can't own that course so that means on that run and even on the bike waterfalls. There's water I spray. Spray down and same with water doesn't just went on the mouth. It goes on the body just core but I trained in the heat here. You know I I'll just Outside yeah it'd be a hundred degrees and and I've gotten good benefits Uis. I can train the heat and show up and right and be okay when you feel temperature. Change is more drastic or difficult to train for the climate change climate like different climate levels Iranian delegation. If you're going to feel it elevations if you don't train elevation and I hear that we live almost sea level or fifteen hundred feet lavergne lot of climate five thousand feet. But I'm not training at that okay now race. Colorado you know not acclimated to that donation air center. Yeah Airs thinner. Your red blood cells. You know delivering like people that live there. They got more red blood cells because of that. So yeah yeah a whole different talent air. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah figuring it all right do do some stuff right so yeah but man finishing and just doing it is all grown that that's amazing. Yeah and the fact that you've done for so long thirty four years now. You're what you're almost six years old fifty nine years old. I don't even think we told people on this podcast that he's almost six years old. He's he's running. Iron Man's like amazing people surprised. There's not many guys that are you know Europeans Japan's huge but even in the United States. There's a couple of guys that we we know each other. It's very respectful through. Sounds like it's just that defraying and good positive experience then kind of place and you know been rolling. Was it now. I'll go racing. Catalina island Saturday morning. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah thank you for everything. Yeah thank you so with all this experience and everything we Kinda do this thing called actual advice at the end of every episode. So what would be the your advice to someone who might be struggling to believe that they you know could commit to an active lifestyle or accomplish something like a triathlon. What would be your advice to someone? That's kind of thinking that they want to kind of push their limits. You know there really shouldn't be any barriers you know for anybody to start doing something unless you've got doctor's orders that you know you can't get your heart rate up or who to such a degree but there's really no excuse. I mean you know in our society with with diabetes in and heart disease you know just so epidemic right. You know. It's up to us to to start with something and that could be just going to the Jim but even just a five K.. You know if somebody just did a five three miles or three point one miles instead of goal. TRY TO THIRTY MINUTES GIVE IT A shot train for it and and after that who knows what you may want to do but for anybody. That doesn't think they can't do it. No that's kind of excuse if you're told not to do it and you're under limitations nations as different thing but don't let your own head till you can. No you don't know until you until you try right. Yeah that's awesome. Let's start with a manageable goal and so our goal right you know. And and and triathlons are huge. It's gotten so popular but we talked about iron man all day long you know and that could sound pretty scary. But there's little sprints you know where you do to a five K.. Run A ten mile bike and they swim in a pool for seventy five yards still a triathlon and people still can say they've done a triathlon and there's has everything in between that and you know the full distance right so right. Don't let the Ironman thank you. Yeah so there's a way to kind of there's an entry level to it to really get into that to expand absolutely absolutely all right. Well thank you for joining us here on the podcast. Who is really interesting talking to you about all your experience? Well thank you very much for having him as a really enjoyable being here all right. Well that's going to be a rap on twenty nine thousand nine for us at the living healthy podcasts. We want to thank all our guests this year. Our producers host the children that that were born Gloria and of course our listeners for pressing play tens of thousands of times over the last year. We'll be back in twenty twenty to help you get a clear vision of what a healthy healthy you looks like but until then even though it's the holidays we'll see when the gym.

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Halloween, by Robert Burns

Harvard Classics

11:56 min | 1 year ago

Halloween, by Robert Burns

"Halloween by Robert, Burns. Footnote Halloween is thought to be a night when witches devils and other mischief-making beings are abroad on their baneful midnight errands. Particularly, those aerial people, the fairies are set on that night to hold a grand anniversary. And a footnote. Upon that night when Ferries Light On casula down dance. Or over the LAZE IN SPLENDID BLAZE On sprightly horses. Prance. Or for coli in the root is taken. Beneath the moon's Pale beams. They're up the cove to stray in Rove. Among the rocks streams. To, sport that night. Among the Bonnie winding banks. Where the river doon runs clear. Where Bruce once ruled the marshal ranks. And shook his carrick. Spear. Some Mary Friendly Country Folks. Together. Did convene. To burn their nuts and pile their shocks of wheat. And have their Halloween. Full of fun that night. The losses, feet and cleanly neat. More strong than when they're fine. Their faces happy full sweetly show. Hearts faithful warm and kind. The lad say true with love knots. Nodded on, their garters. Some surprisingly shy and some with chatter. 'cause the girls hearts to get starting. WILES fast at night. Then first and foremost through the cabbage. Their stocks of wheat are sought at once. They touch their own and grasping choose. For very strong and straight ones. Poor fellow will fell off the drift. And wandered through the cabbage. And pulled for Wando better shift. A cabbage like a pig's tail. So bent that night. Then straight or crooked earth or none. They roar in cry all throughout their the very little children toddling run. With stocks out over their shoulders. And if the custard sweet or sour. With pocket. Knives. They. Taste them. Thereafter cosily about the door. With clever care, they've placed them. To lie that night. The girls steal away from among them all. To pull their stocks of corn. But rap slips out and plays about. Behind the very large thorn. He grabbed onto Nellie hard and fast. Loud screamed all the other girls. But the grain at the top of her stock was lost. When cuddling in the haystacks? With him that night. The old good wives well hoarded nuts. Are Round and round divided. And many lads lasts fates. Are. There that night decided. Some kindle cosily side by side. And burned together Trimboli. Some start away with saucy pride. And jump out over the chimney. Full, high that night. Jean slips in between. Careful I. What it was, she wouldn't tell. But. This is jock and this is me. She says into herself, he drunk over her and she over him. As they would never more part. Till puff. He started up the hide and seek. and Jean had a heart. To See t that night. Poor Willie with his little cabbage. was stuck with prudish molly. and. Molly no doubt thought it rude. To be thought a match for Willie. Malls not leaped out with prideful fling. And her own fit it in pertinent. while. Willie laughed and swore by Djing. Twas just the way he wanted. To be that night. Nell had the haystacks in her mind. She puts herself and Robin. In loving bliss they sweetly join. Till, white ashes they're sobbing. nells heart was dancing at the view. She whispered rob to look for it. Rob Stealthily apprised her Bonnie Mouth. Full cozy the NOOK. For it. Unseen, that night. But Miran sat behind their backs. Her thoughts on Andrew Bell. She leaves them chattering at their tails. And slips out by herself. She threw the yard the nearest takes. And the fire goes then. And in the dark grabbed for the box. And in the blue spell throws then. Right afraid that night. And, yes, she won it and yes, she swore. It was what she made. No joking. Till something held within the pot. Good Lord. But she was quaking. But whether it was the devil himself. Or whether it was a shadow. Or. Whether it was Andrew Bell. She did not wait on talking. To ask that night. Small Jenny to her granny says. Will you go with me granny. I'll eat the apple at the glass. I'll get free of uncle. Johnny. She puffed her pipe with such a column of smoke. In anger she was so vaping. She noticed it not and cinder burned. Her find new worsted apron. Out through that night. YOU LITTLE SCULPTING WOMAN'S FACE I dare you try such sporting. As seek the foul thief any place For him to spy your fortune. No doubt but you may get a site. Great because you have to fear it. For many a one has gotten a fright. And lived and died delirious. On such a night. One harvest before the share more. I. Remember it as well as last night. I was a young girl then I'm sure. I was not passed fifteen. The summer had been cold and Wet. And stuff was very green. And Yes, Mary Harvest. Home we got. And just on. Halloween. It fell that night. Our chief reaper was rob. MC. Green. A CLEVER STURDY? Fellow. His son got. It'd be some with child. That lived in off Michaela. He got him seed I remember it well. And he made little fuss of it. But many a day was by himself. He was so sorely fright. That very night. Then up. In Jamie Flick. And he swore by his conscience. That he could so hempseed a pack. For it was all but nonsense, the old kidman reached down the bag. And out a handful gave him. Then asked him slip from among the folk. Sometime when? No one would see him. And try that night. He marches through among the stacks. Though he was something frightened. The dengue forecast for a weapon takes. And hurls it at the buttocks of his horse. And every now and then he says. Hempseed I saw the And her that is to be my last. Come after me and drave. ASS fast this night. He whistled up Lord. Lennox March. To keep his courage. Teary. Although his hair began to stand on end. He was so scared in Erie. Till presently, here's a squeak. And then a grown grunting. He over his shoulder gave a peak. And tumbled with stagger. Out over that night. He wore a horrid murder shout. In, dreadful desperation. And young and old came running out. To hear this admiration. He swore it was hobble gene mccraw. Or hunchbacked Moran Humphry. Till stop. She trotted through them. And what was it but a pig? A stir that night. Meg Gladly would to the barn have gone. To win three measures of nothing. But for to meet the devil her loan. She put little faith in. She. Gives the heard boy a little nuts. And to red cheeked apples. To, Watch while for the barn she sets. In hopes to see Tam Keppel's. That very night. She turns the key with quiet twist. And over. The. Threshold, ventures. But I on sandy gives a call. The boldly and she enters. A rat rattled up the wall. And she cried Lord preserve her. And ran through gutter at the bottom of the dengue hole. And prayed with zeal and fervor. Full fast that night. They hoisted out will with strong advice. They promised him some fine handsome one. It chanced the Stack, he fathomed three times. Was Timber propped visiting. He takes twisted Old Moss Oak. For some black GRISSOM witch. And let occurs and drew a stroke. Till skin in shreds came trailing. Off His. Fists that night? A. Wanton widow Lizzie was. As cheerful as a kitten. Oh That night among the woods. She got fearful settling. She threw the furs and by the grave. And over the hill goes careering. Where three lords lands met at a reveal it. To dip her left. In was. Bent that night. While over a waterfall, the river plays. As through the Glenn at meandered. While Round Jenning rocket strays. While in an idiot dimpled. While glitter to the nightly raise. With bickering dancing dazzle. While hidden underneath the slope of a hill. Below the spreading Hazel. Unseen that night. Among the bracken's on the slope. Between her and the Moon. The devil or else and announced cow. Got Up and gave him. Oh. Poor Lizzy, most leap out of her chest. Near lark height she jumped. But Mr Foot and in the pool. Out over the years she falls in. With a plunge that night. In order on the clean hearth stone. The porridges three arranged. And every time great care is taken. To them duly changed. Old Uncle John wanted wedlock joys. Since Mars year seventeen fifteen did desire. Because, he got the empty dish three times. He heath them on the fire. In anger that night? With Mary songs and friendly. Tales. I know they didn't weary. And many tales and funny jokes. There sports were cheapen cheery. Till buttered scones with fragrant steam. said all their mouths a stirring. then. With a social glass of liquor. They parted off. A. Full. Happy that night.

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Understanding Yoga and Meditation  Podcast Ep. 37

Living Healthy Podcast

40:19 min | 1 year ago

Understanding Yoga and Meditation Podcast Ep. 37

"And there was this woman forty years of her adult life every morning she would wake up and and she had this long stick and she over shoulders and she had to one on each side tether and she'd walk down this dirt path to a creek and she fill both of these clay pots up. Shoot turn around and walk right back to her home and this is what what her daily needs. Were for all the cooking the cleaning everything that the household needed. She did this every day for at least forty years. She had one pot. The came back full every time. Very proud of its accomplishments. Look at me. I came back again without spilling a drop the second pot. Aw come back about half full free. Sheepish didn't feel like it measured up show one day the part the back half full apologize to the woman Shari. I don't measure up to the needs and she goes whatever you mean. Should we fill me up at the creek By the time we get home hathaway empty so she takes the clay pot to the VERANDA and she says look down the metal. What do you see? She's going to see a metal actually flowers down the path. Because that's right. I recognize your the uniqueness along time ago and I planted seeds on your side of the path. Will you think is imperfection waters honors. The season makes it flowers grow because every day I go down there and I cut flowers bring these flowers into my home and they bring me joy and color the fragrance my way. I wouldn't change you if I couldn't find you. Perfect every day Welcome back to the perhaps the most chill episode of the Living Healthy podcasts. Yet I'm your host Andrew Bell and I'm your coach for any well then we just got done taking a yoga class at La Fitness Bernie. Can I officially say that. I'm a Yogi now. You're officially hitting the chill zone. She'll zone I'm trying to work my way out of it. We literally got taking a class about ten minutes ago So I think I saw you hit Nirvana one project boss moment where I looked over and I go. He's either asleep because is he's so at peace until yeah or he's like fully hitting his Nirvana and I'm actually I've only taken about. I think this is my fifth with Yoga class ever and I only took my first one probably three months ago with my wife. So this is like was super new to me. I'm definitely very nudie abyss so this is kind of cool because we have have the newbie perspective which is mine and then we have kind of the experience one which is yours and then we have very experienced one over here. Yes we ever experienced guest today which is our Yoga instructor for today. Fascinating fascinating man by the name of John Lyon. He's been a yoga instructor for La Fitness for a while now and as we said before we just got done with this class of first of all. John How did we do in the class. You did fantastic. We all know we probably completed. Yoga is more about the breath in the moving than the actual perfection action to go in there and strive for any type of perfection and oppose is not doing yoga. It's bringing in the stuff that harms so you guys did amazing so just go and flow flow with it and breathe with it and You did great perspective. I've never actually heard it. Put that way and I have to say that is exactly what I took took from your class. It was an hour of just being in the moment truly in the moment and from every whether it was like the anecdotes you told or whatever it was that we were doing it was so everything was just. It was very mindful very peaceful and it all kind of came full circle back to how could relate to everyone personally in their own life and it was a very healing and like spiritual experience it is it is and that's what this episode is about is kind of yoga but also meditation and how they kind of Interchange with with each other and work together But before we get started we have to break the flow of this episode. To remind you. If you're not a subscriber please subscribe to the podcast. That's how you'll you'll get new episodes delivered straight to your phone when we release them. which is every other Monday? If you're new and all year long we're going to be bringing on nutrition. Experts fitness experts in general health experts to talk about a variety. Righty of health topics. To help you get to and through your goals so all right. Let's get back to the show here so John First of all we WANNA learn a little bit about you your background. What got got you into Yoga because first of all people can't seem well if they see the thumbnail they will? But you probably don't look like the average person you would expect to be doing yoga. I don't yeah so so. What what got you into Yoga My wife is that we we started off two weeks before we went to see a movie and it was on the history of Yoga and it was about two and a half hours and at that point I thought it was about two hours and fifteen minutes too long and it was boring and it was a smoother and There's a lot of Yogis in there and just loved. It was a history of the breathing and the channels in the energy and all these different parts of Yoga and I just sat there and I fell asleep in and a couple of times it was their premier and so we walked out and they had this table tabletop with everybody who had anything to do with anybody who had energy in there. There's a producers the Editors the writers directors anybody who put any type of hands on that film were there and all these women around all these people around and they're all just gushing about it and that's my wife and I are walking out. They asked me what I think about the movie and I go. You don't want to know what I think about that. Other ask one of these other women he goes. Don't what do you think about it. And I told him I said well I go if you ask them to give you my honest opinion I go. I think it's a bunch of hocus pocus mumble bumble bee s and He he he okay. And that's the interesting thing is he just said Okay and and my wife was mad. I mean everybody was looking around like I was like the crazy guy and we walked out and Two weeks later. She asked me if I I wanted to take a yoga class. There's this place down the street that was free. I said if it's free it's for me and I went in there and I took the first class and It was physically challenging changing. But I told my wife before I go weird in there. I'm going to go ahead and just step outside and sit in the car because I don't you don't know what's what you're getting into yoga mystical. So Oh I went through that first class and physically challenged. I went through the second class the next day and Something happened to me and and that was when I was going to sleep I wasn't awake. I wasn't asleep and I just told my wife that you'll free my mind and I denied it at first when she said I go like I said it and that's when I realized that I need to do more of this. So that's what was my first weekend of Yoga is that it just freed. Read my mind after after two places that that was ten years ago ten years ago and it was just just There's a lot of dynamics in my life that we're going on that we're very challenging. I slept like a baby. Go to sleep and I'd be up about every fifteen twenty minutes Kinda you know. Restless solicit everything and that I'd go back to sleep but that piece that I experienced after just the second class was the Besley that I received and so I just found myself wanting to go back more and more and more and just eating more of it and which was really good. Wow that's awesome. That's yeah that's very cool is would you say what would you say is the ultimate ultimate goal of Yoga. Then is it to find that peace is it to heal your body. Is it just to get exercise to what. What is the ultimate goal of Yoga or meditation? General I it can be all of it because Yoga's uh-huh physical practice. There's definitely a physical dynamic that you will tone in sculpture body but there's also the piece component with the breath that you can find and yourself. Pardon me in his place of seated meditation and all Yoga is a moving meditation my perspective because the Word Word Yoga when it comes right down to it it translates into harnish into yoke and that's to connect the breath to the body and Dach- that's where you'll get is and it's been around for six thousand years and in the first but when I started yoga it was there to find seated meditation out that was the ultimate that was the ultimate go when Yoga I started six thousand years plus ago because they were all hunter gatherers they wanted to find a place to come to for stillness us so they practice these poses to find one in their body so they can meditate to their supreme being whatever it was meditation Yoga Alga Right Gateway to to meditate. Okay L. DO Yoga. The Yoga was there to help find and yourself into seat imitation sit comfortably comfortably invitation. Okay and so do you. Do you find that. There's a right or wrong way to practice. Meditating I don't know much about about it I kind of difficult especially in the beginning. So is there any like tips. You have for people who are just starting to meditate trouble either sitting still still clearing their mind or just getting to that seated place that they need to be is very challenging. Because you're confronted with one of the scariest things in life in that stillness. John Lewis our minds our program to constantly go. Go go perfection. The Best Excel. Whether it's at your work whether it's in your life you want to be the best you want to have the best car. She wanted to the best of everything and when you slow down to a place of stillness whether it is two minutes in posher five minutes and seated meditation and beyond it becomes that stillness becomes very very confronting and sometimes the best possible thing you can do for your body. It is absolutely nothing as sitting be still and just focusing on the breath but to get back to your pointing a a right or wrong way. There's no wrong way to meditate. But when you want to you definitely want to do it in seeded comfortable position because if you do it laying down you can fall asleep and your main focus is to focus on the breath right eight to clear your head of all holy thoughts in just to clear the thoughts on you what you WanNa do you find yourself. You want to observe the breath not find it as a focus and let everything pass through the mind all the fluctuations pass through like you're not attached to any of them because when you're sitting in a place of you're focusing on your breath you're thinking of your breath now if you observe the breath and you just let it pass through you with any without any attachment then you can find yourself in a place of meditation. That'll it'll take you further because thoughts always go through your mind when you're meditating. You can't turn off your mind it'll just constantly things will come through that kind of led into the next question of like. How what do you do when you can't stop thinking while you're meditating but I guess it's focus on the breath you just? Yeah the the mind works in a specific way you can only think about one thing at a time. So if you're focused on your breath you're not thinking about yesterday today or tomorrow thinking about. What's on your daily play? You're thinking of the breath fashion. You can kind of use it as technique is just watched the breath come into your nose to the back of your throat and fill up your lungs. And then that'll take you to a place where you you can start to focus on that and then you can get back and used that as technique to just watch the thoughts go through and is it almost like a way of organizing your thoughts in a sense or letting your mind kind of naturally organized your thoughts in that. You're you're letting them kind of passer you like voice heard like you kind of like the thought comes in your mind. YOU RECOGNIZE CNN is it. Let it go and try and focus back on the breath. Is that also part of meditation. Yeah Y- you. You definitely have a way of organizing but even organizing is the same as focusing seeing on breath. What you're writing? What you're trying to do is not shut the mind off completely but find it to a place of peace because I believe my opinion. Is that when you are able to shut the mind off away. From all the distractions it starts to go into a different mode of thought. It's not uncommon for somebody to walk out of a yoga class and say They had a a series of something at work that it was going on. They needed to find an answer to a specific question for something something a problem at work or at school and an hour or two after a class you come up with that solution and the reason I believe is because you've given your mind time I'm to really get into process And kind of you know to see through the confusion clearly or lack of another word analysis by paralysis. You've shut it down to work at higher speed clears the fog. They say the same thing about nerves too like with public speaking when people get really nervous my dad added always told me a story of how somebody would but a paper clip in their pocket and play with it with their hand. Because you can only focus on one thing at once if you're on that you're not focusing on being nervous but it's interesting 'cause I always wondered it's like you find that clarity while you're meditating any find that clear space but what about when you stop. Do you take it with you. But you're right. It's you use that moment to meditate to open up your mind to be able to clear out your mind and then let in three. So how do you. How do you train Brian do that in your classes so we took your class tonight and you seem like you're not quite the average yoga instructor? I don't know what the average is necessarily because I haven't taken a lot of classes. Maybe and you can say whether he's average or not but you seem like you have some unique takes on things. So what's your class like. What I try to do is step away from the history of Yoga and bring it into a practical application that you can use in your daily life What I WANNA do I have you in the room? I want to try to make an argument for you to come back again. So I'm speaking of the breath and you take your oldest companion. This reflects that we're using now are breath. And then we bring it to the forefront of our experience and give it our undivided attention for an hour and then all of a sudden this reflects that is our breath starts to strengthen into a muscle and as your practice matures it begins to hone into a tool like Britney was talking about the nervousness with the paper clip. Really what's happening when you're getting nervous. Your breath is shortening and when your breath is shorting is sending triggers up to your mind saying there's something went on right now. That's not right and I need to defend myself. Firefly reflex show with breath in your meditation. You're strengthening that. Show that when something goes down outside you see through the confusion clearly so you don't have that that anxiety anymore If I can share an example with you I have a A gentleman that used to practice with me at the La Fitness over here and He was premed at UCLA and he was getting ready to go. Do Some different interviews around the country for medical school and every class that I teach I focusing focusing on the breath because to me you'll is breath that's the entire thing. Everything else is secondary to the breadth of movements or secondary. Everything is breath and after a class US he came out and he goes Giannakou. Stuff you talk about with the breath that really works like I like I was just saying I know what it does he goes he was only goes back back on the east coast and I was really nervous waiting to go into my interview for medical school that I really wanted and I just felt really nervous but I heard your voice in me to breathe deeply deeply and I did it and then he said it was one of the best interviews that I ever did he goes. I don't know if I'm going to get into that school or not. He goes but I'm an employee that deep breathing before every one of my interviews and in life and it's issue you superpower. Yeah that's awesome. Yeah and I guess that kind of makes sense. I've heard just casually like take take a deep breath that kind of idea but getting that oxygen into you folks down the breath and just giving yourself I think a second always to like you think or react or whatever it is. Yeah Yeah what do you think I'm new but what's the best way for someone new if anyone is new listening to this. They're kind of skeptical about yoga. Like you were. What's the best way for someone new to experience Yoga Class? Is there a type of instructor. Should they focus on trying to find an instructor matches up with their style. Or is it just jumping anything. I and stick with it or if you never if you've never done yoga you don't really know what type of instructor you're looking for and A Yoga Yoga in general is a lot lot like cooking. We can all go to the exact same restaurant and have the exact same meal and we'll have a different result. Some someone will love it and somebody won't nominate your same thing with Yoga. If you go it went to a class You may really love this teacher because of the way he approaches it. I'm very physical very moving. I like the flow through things and challenged challenge. The body Other people like to stay in postures and hold him for three and four and five breaths and that's the way they're going to do it and that's their approach approach and there's nothing wrong with it it's just different So why would say that if you're GONNA go into a yoga class try the yoga class. If you don't like this instructor structure or you don't think yoga is right for you. Try someone else and try. Try A few people give it two weeks. Try a couple three classes a week from different different people and see who resonates with you right could be a female. It could be a male it could be somebody from more of the The BICKHAM style. That's very stagnant and postured. Posher looking for perfection. It could be something like myself. That's physical and flowing There's there's a different there's a lot of variations out there many different styles and types of you. I feel like when I today taking it was like the first fifteen minutes. It was really kind of trying to get A hold of the different moves that we were doing and so I was looking to other people in the class us as well to kind of like take us on what I was supposed to be doing. And then once we got through this first fifteen twenty minutes I kind of realize okay. Now it's a repeat pattern where now you're just flowing through it a little a bit faster so I was able to pick it up so it's almost like you have to stick with it a little bit and kind of get through that the nervous portion of it or the awkward portion where. You don't feel like you know what you're doing you kind of have to just stick through it a little bit and you will learn and adapt inhaled it from my perspective and the way I set up. The clashes is the first time we do show through so each posher through the flow will will breathe of three breasts for each posture. And then the next two segments through will do breath movement and what we do at the beginning of the warm ups that son and that son be which is working on the front and back of the body and then the size and getting into the hips and a little bit then we go in and we start to work on some twists. And then what I like to do is I'd like to bring in balancing The reason like I like to balance through movement is because because when you're in warrior to or in warrior one or in crescent lunch both of your feet on the floor your hands or how you're probably looking into the mirror and your minds off somewhere on vacation. It's it happens on that's the most challenging part is focused and be present in that moment. But if I get you on one foot and you're balancing yet they have to go from one movement to the next. You try to think about anything on your to your plan. You'RE GONNA fall right on your fanny right. You have to be president in that moment in that little moment right there of presence presence is freedom because that might be the only moment in that person's Day in my day that I'm not thinking about work or family or anything anything else that's on my plate right whatever it may be good or bad and that point of freedom is what I strive for in clashes to give people that uh-huh and really when it really boils down to it. I just bring in a whole bunch of options suggestions. I'm a spoke in the wheel They just I just want them. The had the experience as much as possible. I it's for them and them alone. Pull I D. I have kind of an interesting. We call it a mythical these mythical moment here we go. It was more and more so for meditating than for Yoga. Just because you find a quiet and peaceful place but I was wondering if either or we're both increase your extrasensory perception. ESP interesting I don't know if you can enhance your enhance your likelihood for ESPN but if your mind is calm you have a stronger ability to recognize it. Maybe before it happens I'll use the analogy of sports players. If you look at anybody eighty in baseball football and basketball who've reached the pinnacle of their sports the high fliers the ones they always talk about the game slowing down. I think all I can agree nothing in life slows down. It's only going fast. Yeah but what happens is when the likes of the all stars say that. Yeah you know what this game slowing down. It's not slowing down. What they're doing is they're anticipating and seeing things quicker because their mind is calm so they see through all the confusion in the game clearly and that's where that columnist says and I've even heard One of the major sports basketball's players on the commercial coming in today. And how he's talking about I don't know if I can use his name. Lebron James He was tough. Lakers are playing right now right and so he. He was talking in this commercial about how everybody minds to strengthen their body but he talks about strengthening his mind. And so you'll find a lot of them. That are doing meditation through sports doctors and whatnot to reach that place of. Oh Yeah. He signed with the meditation up Com yet. Not that I'm I think stocks in the bronner anything interesting that you say that about athletes because I used to share a when I was in college for the chargers San Diego chargers so I was on the field the old and they have a stadium full of sixty five thousand fans on a good day gray And everyone would always say what was it like down there. And you're so focused on what you're doing and you're so present where you are and taking it all in and seeing all the people if for me the best way of describing it was it was the most calming Peaceful Silent Place. You can hear. Drop to me. Wow really focused on what you doing performing it's take time slows. Your you take in that moment and you're just there and I guess it's like a different form of meditation. You know dancing. Whatever it can all be informs meditation? I got us if you're able to lose yourself in it but it was to the point where I'd be standing there and there could be like the loudest fans everyone everyone on their feet screaming and it would just be silent and I'd be smiling and just live. You could see my face now make. It was a moment of like. Do you sees a form of meditation. Right yeah your focus and concentration and present in the moment and everything else kind of doesn't cease nice to exist but it takes a back seat to that present moment that you're in which is meditation so it Kinda. It almost seems like meditation exercise for the mind. Essentially and then there's exercise this is for the body and Yoga Kinda incorporates. Both in a sense That's pretty cool. Yeah because I've definitely heard of athletes that are rely on like visualization like visualizing using you know how plays will you know things will play out and things like that and that seems like another way of kind of like Meditating like in clearing their mind like you talked about the see through the chaos of the situation to the clear goal or the focus. Oh Yeah you can definitely use visualization as a tool for meditation When you're in a seated needed meditation is? It's not always about ABS watching the fluctuations of your mind dissipate but some people will Take their their meditation in. And they'll either go deep inward to their body to maybe a place of the forest with a light in the forest and that's where they find their. Meditation is traveling in Word Word to the body. And there's a series of sequence of going deeper and deeper from the skin into the skeleton and down into the soul and you progress There's also the meditation meditation where you're elevating yourself from your seated position. If we were out on the beach right now it might be sitting there comfortably on the beach and you all. UC's yourself and then you go and you see the beach and they see the city that you're in and then you see the state that you're in the country that you're in and then eventually go out and you see the entire universe from quench really. And so so as you're doing this and you're visualizing this and you'll see yourself all the way out and you'll be sitting down. But you'll see this visualization of the entire universe. And then you take that step from there and then you start progressing from hire them back into your body so how. It's so fascinating to me that you went from a guy that was just like ads mystical Mumbo jumbo to a guy that just just said what you just said which sounds super mystical. Like how do you. It's just it just fascinates me that you can get from one place to the you can change so much. There's been so much change in your life. So what other ways has yoga kind of impacted your life in the last ten years since you've started doing oh I it helped me just deal with life a lot easier And I made that change simply because I found yoga freedom. My mind I I went into the partial about my when Mike when my parents were in failing health and I was carrying for them. That's when I found yoga And when my father passed I didn't handle the death properly I did and I I just I. I was practicing Yoga But I found myself as that was a real challenge and show what I found was after my father's passing passing the one place that I can find complete freedom and solace was on the mat and it was my time to express and I started going deeper into it with readings And also just with my practice and then when I made the jump from just a tea or a practitioner to being a teacher That went to a whole `nother level because people talk about it all the time and they were they. Were telling me that if you ever cited teachers training it'll change your life. Well Yeah Go. I'm a forty something man. There's nothing like this change. Change my life. I mean you've got people going all over doing this thing and I remember the very first night and teachers training the ashes to write down on these little Note cards Or on these on these Accomplish a composition books that we had and they asked me Everybody in the class you know. Why do you want to teach yoga? And I've got forty two of what came to be some really close friends a lot of people in my song there and I just simply wrote down to share chair Yoga and I close my notebook and I saw the people next to me writing pages and I was looking around and I thought this is not the place I wanna be because I don't know oh I I'm not I don't measure up right and after I'm sitting on my please don't call me please. And the people who were guiding the teacher training probably saw that emir felted in me and so they had some people go through and they read their their paragraphs and then They asked me what did I say I said. Oh you once again I bill. I'm not as deep as you guys. I just WANNA share yoga. And then for the very first time he said to everybody open up your composition. Books isn't that what you're saying and all those words is just that simple. You just want to share this feeling of yoga and everybody was right. I'm like Oh my gosh. So there was an acceptance there right. Because I'm not the most flexible I'm not strongest but When it comes to breathing and feeling I feel like I got that place because I come from a place of oneness in love and now you can definitely feel it in your class for judge to come from his. I try to give everything. Think back to whoever's in class I'm there strictly to bring in a challenging flow because the body loves to be challenged but at the same time and and other people people have come up to me and share their cigarette when I was giving up one class in particular La Fitness and going down. One class he goes. Who's GonNa tell me that I'm the greatest every every week now? Only person that tells me how awesome I am I should because you are just going to say and you've really g present us a lot of great tools and people wanna take them like you said at the end of class you were talking about change. And like he was saying that was such a drastic change review. And like. You're inside sometimes. You just need to do that. How long how long would you say it takes to see the benefits of yoga? You saw it within two sessions essentially but but in general do you see. Is there like a kind of an average of what people how long it takes before people can get it. You know what I mean. It depends on what you're looking to achieve if you're looking to achieve The physical benefits of it. If you put a weekly practice maybe three days a week into your routine you. We'd see benefits of strengthening and and shedding pounds within a month Okay if you wanted to get into a spiritual place is really really up to you on where you WanNa bring the judgment and the BSN versus just not accepting it but the beautiful thing about Yoga is whether you've taken one clash lash or you practice on the daily or you practice on the weekly. Remember one thing every time you come into a yoga class for your health and wellness and for your benefits. Everybody in your life at the end of that hour will benefit from what you received in there because you find yourself in a place of calmness and peace and then you relate that to your whole community outside of your friends your relationships your family and that's where you have the opportunity to let this practice becomes something very benevolent and loving with everybody in your community. That's Great I. I think that is so true. That's how I felt like at the end of this like being so calm and relaxed. I was like man. This is probably GonNa make me a better person to be around at home with my kids and my wife and everything so I think I think that absolutely true that is pretty cool to think of that. Like what you're doing just for yourself will impact the others around you. That's that's awesome. Oh yeah energy. I came in into class with Lake. Notch Danner you leave all of that rubs off one other people see other people. Do you have any stories of members of the people that you've worked with. Yoga has had a big impact yoga. Meditation has had a really big impact on your life as you can think of. Oh Yeah I'll leave the names out just because you know I haven't spoke to them and I don't like to talk about people But I've had quite a few people come up and they really just give me just loving cards I remember one woman that she was Coming into my class and she was very practice she was there every week diligently and she practice she never came up and spoke to me or anything but she would just do the clash and then she would leave and then I noticed and I always tell people keep their phones on do not disturb or vibrate. Unless you're a first responder doctor you know for their for there they need it. They hope we pray that we don't need them So then at the end of this one class I noticed she had her phone down on her matt and she kept kind of looking over for at it. And we got into the hips. It was it was a big series on the hips. which hips you hold? Allow Your Life and you allow your motion. So it's not uncommon to be melancholy or be reflective after class and and about forty five minutes into the class. Her phone brightened up with taxed and she picked up her phone and she left and she'll the next week and I honored that space. I'M NOT GONNA ask her because it's not my business you're working here on yourself. I'm just guiding you through just spoke in the wheel. I'm a conduit to her bliss and so so the next class we got into The hips and I could see that she had like a thought or something was on her mind that she wanted to relate but she didn't know how to do it and so somebody else came up and asked me a question. And we'RE GONNA. We got into the hips at day. I'll try to be brief about this So then at the end of that I can see. She had something that she had on her mind and she wasn't going to ask me so this woman asking a question. I answered Kirk completely. Not what she wanted but what I thought she needed to hear getting into the hips and hell raises emotion. The next next week her and her husband come in at the beginning of class and she goes honey. Come here you know he he comes up. They talk they should John. I I want to tell you. Thank you and like okay. Well well for what because my wife hasn't cried and over fifteen years and we had a friend that was dealing with. LS And he said the week that she left was the day that he died that moment because her friend was at the club at at the bedside and so she if he passes. I want you to text me. And let me know. And she didn't know how to release that her and so at the end of that class you know. She told me that she finally released it. And you've really opened her up to a Lotta a potential year of just healing healing. And that's heavy. Ah Yeah that's heavy that you can go and just give to somebody. Unconditional love in class. And then they can work their way through their body eighty and they can find healing in natural. Yoga is really beautiful. Cher that's awesome. Yeah Yeah I know. There's there's there's plenty more wingo on and on him to share that with your students and to have those moments and to give back that's just it's a wonderful thing. Also that people come in with addictions and they've they've found a connection yoga. That was a bigger high than what they will get out on the streets right An I and that's power. I mean I. It's and it's not uncommon a lot of a lot of yoga instructors that I know Have come from an addictive background. And because it's the one thing that they were able to find that filled whatever they were missing or Jonesing for and just clean and sober. I mean it's amazing. What this practice can do? So it's a not very strong natural high. Now that's for sure. Yeah Yeah I saw Andrew just like after totally yeah. It was awesome. Yeah yeah to go through the highs of kind of intense flow and then the relaxing part at the and it was just like it was awesome. It's like the range of emotions. Essentially you go through. The range of emotions ends an motions in the class. If you boil it down. It's like a kindergarten class. You have playtime at the beginning all the moving. And then when you're in some restorative poses there's to story time and then after story time there's time and that's the beauty of it. I mean if you can go into one yoga class and realized that that that you'll matthew practicing on is a mere in how you react to the postures that you're in and the challenges or how you react to the challenges of the vicissitudes in that class us you can walk out a one year clash with a whole different perspective on your life because how you deal with the challenges on your Yoga Mat right then and there that fight and flight that I'm going go for it I'm going to do. It is exactly how you deal with life outside that room right. And that's what I came to realize. Is that if I can deal with it here on the Mat and my personal space kind of like. It's one big Pete Peter just for my life if I like it I strengthen it and if I don't I get rid of uh-huh and that's what you'll have the opportunity to do and it's cheaper than therapy. Also all right well do you. I mean I mean we do a segment at the end of all these. That's actionable advised. That may have just been it right there. But if there's something that A new listener someone. What would you want listeners to take away from in this about yoga is that it's for everybody and it's not about flexibility? You will gain flexibility in Yoga but looser hamstrings or not the root root cause of happiness. And it's not going to heal relationships but if you can go in there and feel your way through you'll gain that but you also we'll have something called freedom and that is you'll begin to Facilitate ranges of motion in the body to live comfortably. Because you will never truly recognize recognize. How beautiful you are unless you go through life feeling comfortably and feeling comfortable and ashes doing simple things like that's bending over picking up spoons and I heard this in a class and this has nothing original to me but I use it just nearly every class because I believe it's so true? The folding of the biggest joint that your body. How's your hip hip joint gives you the ability of the rest of your life to put on shoes and pants comfortably? Pick up children and puppies and maybe one day pick up a grandchild and who wants to lose qualities like that because because I saw it in my mom where she didn't care for her body and she was ended up in a wheelchair because she neglected her hips I have one goal in Yoga and I share share the Cheviot every once in a while. I class why one goal in Yoga is to live on my own in my eighties late eighties. Hopefully maybe get to ninety and dramas spoon a four or a knife on the floor. Pick it up comfortably and if I do that I went awesome. I see you when I check with you. Yeah awesome well. Thank you for teaching the class and thanks for being on the show. That was an amazing class. Thank you for having coming all right. Well if you liked what you heard here and you're interested in our other health and fitness topics. Don't forget to subscribe that you can get new episodes delivered straight to your phone Will be released every other Monday. Hopefully you have a peaceful day like we just had a peaceful class and we will see him in the gym guys. Uh this time a man will call him Mr Consistency every day. He will get the exact same time. made the exact same thing for breakfast. The exact same thing to work walked the exact same way every day. One day he got up and went through his routine walked. Walked out the door. And he's walking on his way to work. He noticed this whole and he walked right into this whole. It was a big hole. It took them a long time to get out of that. Oh pretty eventually. Climbed his way out went on his way to work a day to we got up. Same routine walked out the door Watches normal path. He recognized the whole walked right into that. Damn a depot. It took him a long time to get out of it. He finally got his way out made his way to work day. Three Got Up Wednesday. Walked out the door. The exact same time walk this way. As normal path he saw the whole he went around the whole took them a long time to get around that whole but he made it on his way to work but he made it through day four and he got up he walked out the door and he went a different direction my friends. There's only one person on this planet that likes change and and that's a wet baby but sometimes it's so necessary

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Fitness and Food: How to Navigate the Holiday Season  Podcast Ep. 14

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Fitness and Food: How to Navigate the Holiday Season Podcast Ep. 14

"The. Hi and welcome back in the living healthy podcast, presented by Eliot fitness time, your host Candice curry joined here with my co host Andrew bell on today's show. We're talking fitness and food navigating the holiday season, we're going to be asking our two guests today registered dietitian, Debbie, James and master trainer, Heather Edson. Give us some tips and tricks on how we can say healthy and on track with our fitness goals over the next couple of months, and I may or may not also have some fun back coming your way today. So be prepared. I am not prepared. But I am excited to hear these facts what I'm excited about what are you excited about fall? It is my favorite time very excited about fall fall. There's pumpkin spice floating the air initial much spies in here. I know I could see our. Spice. There's have you heard. There's pumpkin spice wings now. Yeah. Okay. That's too far. It's too far. We need to draw the line people. I mean, that's a little too much. I mean, I might try, but no I'm not gonna. Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean, there's a little bit too much pumpkin spice. But there's also just too many treats, and sweets and temptations. That's the one thing. I don't really like about fall. Listen, I get it. The holidays bring with them where comfort foods baked goods and time spent with family and friends typically around the dinner table or like in the kitchen. So we have w James here today to help us answer the question how to navigate food Venice around the holidays. Welcome to the show, Debbie. Thanks for having me back. Good to see you guys. Good to see you too. Thanks for coming in so Candice. This fun. Fact, I was gonna say I have a question for both of you guys. You were going to grill me. So how many calories do you think the average person eats at thanksgiving dinner, the average person I'll Andrew Cooper, okay? Like your daily like twenty five hundred like your basically your whole mount for the day. So twenty ten just all right? Andrea, Debbie, what do you think? Well, at our house thanksgiving dinner, kind of starts around noon after the parade and cheese played dinners, not ready yet. And you think you're gonna eat it to the Turkey is not dental four. So it really does end up being kind of more than a a large dinner out, which is normally like a thousand calories. So you could easily double that and get to two thousand for sure she's undercutting me like the price right here. Well, you guys weren't even close really the average person actually consumes at thanksgiving dinner alone. A whopping forty five hundred calories. I am certainly not average. Forty five hundred just for dinner for dinner. Count on my second. And thirds. I'm sorry. I normally go back and make sense, that's average. So that means some people are doing more than that. Yeah. I mean, some people are doing to balance out your two thousand calorie dinner, Debbie people are doing like six thousand. Oh my gosh. Okay. Athletes. Maybe they'll up there count from from six thousand eight eight thousand day. We'll we'll factor them into Michael has thanksgiving dinner every day when he trained since really that man is crazy. I was gonna say, okay. So that kind of leads us into w what are some ways that overeating can be avoided? Oh, well, planning ahead. If you know, what functions are coming up, or you know, you're going into the office or an environment. That's going to have the cookies and the pies and the plates and the whatever out don't go hungry. You know, try and eat well during the day Philip on water. Cleanse your pallet? Make sure that you're not tempted usually by those smells those last minute little, oh, but I could have one right now. So you don't want to do want to not starve yourself before dinner. Correct. Okay. Yeah. Otherwise, you can just over eat over indulge, right? Okay. Okay. He's steady stream not okay to skip breakfast or lunch can save all the calories for dinner actually a couple years ago. We wrote how you could eat anything you wanted on thanksgiving. And like you had to plan the whole week around it. I would really say just just try and go a little bit more normal have the meal if you do go overboard, then you know, what the next morning is when you skip breakfast lunch or taper it down to just, you know, see, that's when you have all the good leftovers. I'm really excited for this is interesting because I think it gets into the mentality. We have about holidays, and that we kind of see them as a reward for the year. Maybe. And so like, how can we change our mentality about the holidays that we don't overindulge? I love that you brought that at UCF maybe more as a reward. I see it in my experience with people more as of already checking out like the years, and then getting lazy or just the instant gratification is a will because I should because it's a holiday all the because is. Well, what goals that you started with and the reasons that you had just seemed to disappear and float away. So to me that mentality is bringing back. I liked it to think of it as the final sprint towards the finish line. And keeping my eye on the prize. And it's like, okay. Well now is the time to hunker down. Because it's only got. Weeks ago for the year. So this is like your test. You've been training on the year for this moment to be like can I withstand the pressure? Federal and you're gonna have like little hiccups and trips. And that's okay. That's all right. It doesn't mean you guess to just throw in the towel and blow it for the next six. I of want to let our listeners now if you don't really know where to start on the blog, we have a trade off the Turkey challenge. So it's only nine days long, and it basically if you complete the challenge, then you're going to have burned a total of forty five hundred calories. So people that eats them as guilty. Check it out on the blog. I might want to do it anyway. And there's so you mentioned kind of goals, I think around this time we're having a goal. So should we think about the holidays like setting a nutrition goals goal during that time? Kind of like how do we have a fitness goals? We have a nutrition Goldring the holding. If someone's not already following a plan or counting calories where have you? They can look at consuming five to nine servings of fruits and vegetables a day or. Or you could look at so many cups in glasses of water or during your waking hours, and the average person really burns for the for the day. They burn between one hundred and two hundred calories per hour. So really if you're up fifteen hours, you know, that's only fifteen hundred to three thousand that's it. So that's that's your measure, right? Okay. So try and stay within that try and stay within your kind of calorie limits. Yeah. Okay. I like the drinking water because I think that's like a tangible one. That's like, okay. You just fill up a bottle of water have it in front of you and try and remember to drink water throughout the day. Do you not come concise? Don't rankings. Yeah. Maybe cut out some of those chips for the copy are there some like healthier versions of thanksgiving foods that you can give our listeners you can always say with stuffing. There's a lot of butter that is generally used in saute ING, the onion celery and the kind of vegetables, you could take that down a little bit more. That would be one thing the green bean casserole classic. I don't understand it. I'm not a big fan of the creamed musher. I think it's too heavy you go a little bit lighter and the green beans can stay crisper are more Al dente kind of. So that they're not just complete mush to top it off with them almonds. Almonds livers is an option. Another one, I prefer sweet potatoes. But I know others in my family, preferred the mashed potatoes and anything you can leave skins on you can garlic use low fat milk. Those kinds of substitution a lot of the dairy type things are easy to cut back on the fat. So I wanna think about like what if we challenge the typical thanks giving dinner is that something we should do where it's generally like this huge Turkey with like every side. You can think of is. They're kind of like we have this over abundance approach to that. So what about like a minimalistic approach? Thanks giving where you kind of maybe get a smaller Turkey or their ways people should rethink that dinner. So that they don't have so much because they don't need so much if you're if you're hosting and you're having your own meal at home, you if you wanna do that, you can definitely don't plan on leftovers just have enough for the amount of people that you're serving and you don't need go multiple side dishes. Think of two starches. Pick your to faves. Okay. And then have three vegetables people like will. I can only count one or two like what's the but roasted vegetables, you could do brussell sprouts. You could do the healthier green beans and salads. Okay. There's a lot of great. You can put cranberries in it. You can do it kind of more rustic style. Right. Yeah. I think that's kind of recently. I bring this up because recently in the last few years, we've kind of started do that. We're we're like, okay. Let's find a smaller Turkey, which are kind of hard to find grocery stores, giving some more smaller Durkee options. I don't know. I mean, they donate eighteen or twenty pounds for them. I don't I'm not also a big fan of leftovers. So maybe that's part of it. But like or even just deciding which side dishes, you want maybe pick the ones that you don't have all your like, you don't have cranberry sauce or something all years so go with that. Whereas like, mashed potatoes you can have that anytime of year. Do you need match? Approach. I like to tell people is appreciate the holiday and the specialness of it. So if it's something you're going to eat, you know, the rest of the week or the rest of the month that the rest of the year, you know, you don't need to spend your calories on that. Now granted if you only get to see grandma once a year, and she just made it for you. Then please have a few bites tellers wonderful. I was going to say that's probably what's difficult for people as that. You're saying on one hand, you know, it's kid at yourself a little bit, you know. But then you're eating your favorite things. And it's kind of hard to stop imagined to stop. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And I guess that is true. Like if you were hosting if you're part of a big thanksgiving or something where everyone's bringing something and everyone it's their special thing they make every day. You feel like obligated to do that. Buffet right? Yeah. Right. So your liver. Yeah. You can take a sample and have a little bit most people probably don't gauge how fold they're feeling or even if they're hungry. They just go into eating mode for hours, but pay attention to what your body's telling you. So that, you know, win to stop even if it's the most fatty thing in the world. Bacon skins or pumpkin pie or whatever. It's like. Okay. We'll just have taste, you know. But if your personality, honestly, I've met people that are very black and white, and they don't know how to say, no. And they don't really know how to stop with those personalities or eating styles for those people. I would tend to say, okay, that's a trigger food. That's just a no go. You're going to have to avoid avoid it. Right. Yeah. And you might be surprised like the next day that you actually feel kind of good that you were able to avoid that. I feel like there is a sensation. You can get a high or some sort of motivation out of succeeding in in not giving in. I guess yeah. Yeah. There's some pride the other deterrent. I really like is tight waistbands. It just never wear jeans on thanks. Oh my gosh. I didn't even I've never even heard her thought of that. That's kinda makes. Can't Emma girl. I wear dresses. Okay. So let's talk about. Holiday parties, real quick how can people if you're going to a party? How can you stay on track? Not overindulge. Parties is there's a lot of temptation there. Yes. I would say there's a couple of different approaches. Let's say that one is a buffet or just a catered event or something maybe you take your little appetizer plate, and you tell yourself I'm going to have five items. You know what? Whatever those little mouth by canape, whatever the orders are. And then if it or plan ahead like for that evening, okay? To night. I am only going to have to drinks or some. And then like you already have that as a limit in your mind set. So that you are not just milling along and refilling, and that kind of thing another is to look at potluck. A lot of our family get togethers are everybody brings something. So you really don't have an excuse. And you're like, wow. That was so much starter so much meat or so much. What if well you need to bring? Ring the healthy thing that you think you should be eating because nobody else is gonna bring it for you. Right. You're gonna end up with twelve pies and three side dishes as your. Yeah. That's a good point. Okay. So kind of like you need to have a plan going into these parties like you need to know. Like what you're either have a limit. If you're going to party that has stuff you not sure what it has. Or if it's like bring your own healthy choice strategic. I know you had a question about cocoa. You're relying. Okay. So this is this is just holiday themed in general. I love hot cocoa is a really bad for you. Or is it? Okay. It's not the best not the worst. I would say that if you're using raw ingredients. So like at my house, we make it with two percent milk coconut sugar and cocoa powder. That is it. Okay. And we make nice little mug of it. You know, it's not a twenty ounce mug is like the little teacup kind of deal. Even if it just has a marshmallow or two if. But if you're the Marsh. Looping instant powder and mixing it with water. What are you getting? And you're not getting that much chocolate labor. It's. Okay. So it kind of is kind of hard for. It's okay. I don't know in my way. Because I mean, I see the cocoa over the marshmallows cloud of Marsh, the mini ones. Right. Yeah. Okay. So maybe just ease up on the coke. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So now, I think we want to play a game with you this. This should be fun. It's our lightning question around where we're going to ask you either or questions, and you have to choose one or the other. Okay. It's fun. It's holiday themed. Okay. Ready? All right. I will are you ready? So ready? We're gonna alternate asking you candidate is going to go first, and you have to just like this is like. Thing that comes to mind. Yep. All right here, we go. All right Rudolph frosty. Rudolph baked Turkey or ham ham coca with or without marshmallows. Oh with morning with workouts or night, workouts morning, fruitcake or gingerbread ginger green beans casserole or stuffing green beans, man. Andrew candice. Matt. Those those. I feel like I heard. I think I'm a little bit of no one. Like, my kids asked me who the favorite is. That was such a set up the way just to build. Interesting. Surprise me with some of your answers thought you were gonna say cocoa without marshmallow since we kinda talked about that or green bean casserole. So I didn't think you like creaming casserole, but it has more veggies than than the stuff. That's stuffing. Great fun. But her sponge. All right. So as we always do we conclude these things with actionable advice where we get some advice. That's actually actionable. I finally got it. Right. This whole season moment. All right. Well, anyway, so what is one piece of advice, you can leave our listeners with heading into the holiday season that can help them not gain so much weight and not fall off all off the rails. I'm gonna give it to you at the end of this. Okay. I want everybody to remember the reason for the season. And that means celebrating is gratitude and love and giving and faith and forgiveness and hope even all the way into the new year. So you know, what when you enjoy your food have a small taste and savor that and enjoy the season. All right. So yeah. So have a small taste maybe chew slower. Longer. All right. Well, thank you so much for being with us w gave us, and our listeners some awesome. Vice it's always a pleasure. You guys have a happy holiday. Thank you too. And so now that we have the nutrition side of the holidays covered. Let's turn our focus to the fitness side of things and bring on our next guest Ellie, fitness master trainer, Heather Edson. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me. How you doing pretty good? How about you? I'm doing great. And we actually have some questions lined up here for you today. We've already talked about over eating and kind of what the holidays can do as far as indulgence goes and everything like that damage. That's cool. I don't know who's going to get that. Question for both of you guys. Okay. How much do you think the average person gains during the holiday season? Oh, okay. Well, what first of all what counts is the holiday season. Okay. So we're talking from thanksgiving. Okay. So the new year. Okay. So Halloween excluded month or so, okay. I'll say like, I don't know there's some big dinners, and you said forty five hundred calories just for giving dinner dinner. I'll say like. Eight nine pounds nine pounds. Okay. Solid guests, and I don't think it's quite that much. I'm gonna go with like three pounds two and a half three pound. Okay. Cuttingly? Alright. So Heather's closer. The average person gains about one point three pounds, which doesn't seem like alone. I know it's not that that's way, better than what to I know. Actually, I was surprised when I I read this. But the thing is is that on average it takes people about five months to burn that off. So really we're just indulge in from thanks giving to the new year. And then having to work five months to get that fat off doesn't seem worth it. It's not really rationing that doesn't seem worth at all my gosh. Yeah. That's that's that's a lot. Like that. Basically says that there's some severe consequences for what you're about to do people. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Well, so Heather kind of do you think should people have a fitness strategy heading into the holidays. Maybe because we know we're probably going to gain some weight. Absolutely. Yes. As she said, people gain weight, as you said, we know it an opportunity for us to really take into account what we wanna do and set ourselves up for better year. So walking in knowing I am gonna eat this. I'm not gonna eat this. I'm gonna work out this many times or going to take this particular day off knowing that you have a plan and sticking to it. It's definitely gonna help you get those results. Do you notice like with your client or maybe not with your clients because they're your clients would notice the people in the gym like that it kind of does people stop going during these final two months -solutely? Yes. Yeah. My slowest days of the holidays. Oh, yeah. And it's funny because maybe there should be the busiest. I know but see everyone's traveling. I think that's what makes it so hard, but people come here to -cation on. Right. Sorry for everyone. That's not. You mentioned I think you would said this at some point that we have a lot of clubs nationwide seven hundred Bom you can still get to the gym. If we're near you. There's really no excuse. So I actually have a question for you, would you recommend a premium workout to your clients or like a post meal workout so say like a game of football in the backyard or a stroll around the neighborhood, look after like thanksgiving dinner big meals, you say like it's better to work out beforehand. Or would you say maybe a little like physical activity and after a big meal before you fall asleep? I mean, if possible do both as much as you can about it will allow if you had to pick one I would definitely say before because like you said people eat and their full and they're tired, and they just want to relax, and you knocked me motivated after you eat so definitely recommend before him. But if you have that motivation go for it after two quick story of what my plan is going thinks giving okay? My plan is my dad is coming up for thanksgiving. And mean him are gonna hit the pickle ball courts. Every morning Thursday morning Friday morning, Saturday morning Sunday morning. Pickle ball is in awesome sore. I come from tennis pickles, legit even for tennis players. Okay. Like is great. It's you can put a lot more people on the court. It's kind of more cat mouse strategy game. But it's basically imagine tennis shrunk down but bigger than ping pong and he plays wolf Ables. Anyway, it's awesome. That's what I'm going to do in my morning. So I feel pretty good about that. Because based on what you said that in and then I'm going to eat and not do anything else. The rest of the day. Probably. You didn't say that. But that's just what the reality probably is going to. So like, what's good calorie burn? What's it gonna mount that people should aim for? Everybody's a little different. You know, if you're tall your short. You have a faster metabolism or slow metabolism. A good general obtainable number for most people would say would be around four hundred calories or so. Okay. That's not too scary. Not scary. We can all that. But it it just depends on the person, you know, if you and I were to go for a walk you're taller than me. So my little tiny leg them more jellies faster. Exactly just like more than that. Should you be burning more during the holidays than during the rest of the year? If you're going to plan on indulging. Yes. Definitely. But if you plan on keeping normal lifestyle, then no you don't have to. Okay. So we kind of realized that not everyone is going to be able to make it into the gym during the holidays because like she said people are maybe you're traveling or you're really busy. So what are some exercises? People can do maybe at home or just outside of the gym. That can help them stay on track. Just to get through those tough months. Yeah. Definitely there's tons of options. Like, you said pick all option check it out. Like can decide, you know, playing football with your family just get up and keep moving don't fall into that slump of I'm gonna sit on the couch and watch TV all day, if you're gonna be in the living room watching football every time you score. Touchdown. Do some pushups every time you get a first and ten do some squats, whatever you can do versed in ten ten squats scores. A touchdown. You do six push ups. And if they get the extra point the seven push there you go. Yeah. Turned into a game. Okay. All right, cool. What about you know, just cooking in the kitchen does that count? On your feet. Doesn't burn not quite. I've been living while not stood alive. My feet hurt. So that's a workout. Oh. I was hoping that we count so. Okay. Well for people they are going to the gym what kind of exercises? Do you think? Or would you recommend people do inside the gym? Maybe save time during the holidays because like we talked about it's such a busy time. I think that's why people stop exercising because that's kind of what they cut out of their routine. So maybe what's something they can do to like shorten their typical routine, but still get a workout in absolutely high intensity. Interval training hit workouts are going to be your best bet you can get a lot done in a really short amount of time. I'm so my clients only train for half hour or so and then an extra fifteen minutes of cardio. So they're in and out a gym and out of forty five minutes, and you can get a lot done you can do full body workouts. You can really get good sweat in burn that hopefully goal about four hundred calories or so in your quick forty five minute session, are there certain exercises that are better for like hit training like over others. Like is it basically, it's no weightlifting I imagined. So is it just body weight? What kind of body weight exercises a lot? Bodyweight exercises. A lot of plow metrics where you're using that mean. Yeah, you use your body weights. Kind of the basic term would be like jumping jacks or running sprints suicides type thing, but you can get a little more specific with it. You can throw in some hand weights. Maybe do some squats while holding dumbbells do some walking lunges with a plate. You could do rowing with a single kettle bell snatches with a dumbbell from the ground up to the ceiling. There's lots of options for you that you can keep your heart rate up keep moving and use just light Hanley Sousa kind of the keys keeping your heart rate up. If you want to kind of short, your workout, you gotta keep your heart rate up for throughout that direction to maximize it. Okay. So that's it sounds like some of those exercises are kind of like have cardio component to them as well. What's doing that? Yeah. That's part of the high intensity part of it. But overall, you can use just your body weight and do a lot with that. How many when's the last time? You did a push up. Right. That's true. That's been. While. Wow. After this. But does the shopping trip count as a workout by the way, if I'm walking around the mall for four hours at a time does that kind of count as a workout and you're lunging from store to store? Not really what? No, you're okay. So what if I speeded up to four mph? Shit lunging from store to store. So. That sounds like kind of a fun little challenge that producer match. Oh, yeah. Lunge between stores that sounds great. We'll be to to sort of by anything by the time. You get there. All right, cool. Well, thanks for joining us in and doing some of this. We do play game with you before we let you outta here. So this is a fun question. Lightning round. That's the title written favor. Assigning better signing title. But okay now, it's funny. All right. So we're going to ask you this or that kind of questions, and you just have to read off the first thing that comes to mind. Okay. Okay. All right. I'll let no I will start this time. Okay. All right here. We go. First off is Rudolph frosty frosty baked Turkey or ham? Turkey coca with or without marshmallows morning. Workouts are night workouts morning, fruitcake or gingerbread tinge bed. Green bean casserole or stuffing staffing. Andrew a Kansas. Oh, gosh. Kansas. Together. We look is dorrie. Gotta make a choice. I love it. That's what makes the lightning around so much. Okay. This is a pretty pretty good answers. You you really frosty over Rudolph. Yeah. Okay. I want to know some reasoning. What's your reasoning? I love making snowmen. I grew up in Seattle. Ok so wow. That's kinda sad to not have snow. Do you? Go back. Yeah. I try. Okay. All right. Well, that's nice. Yeah. For all you people in the winter zones where you actually get snow. That's awesome makes him snowman. Okay. So before we wrap this up. We also do something called actual device where we like to send our listeners home with something a tangible one thing they can work on a singular goal or singular piece of advice. They can take home with them. So what is that? What some actionable advice you can give us regarding fitness during the holidays. Yeah. I just don't stop moving a lot of times in the holidays. Everyone wants to spend time with family and sit on the couch and chat, whatever. And. Yeah, that's great. But want you guys playing game? Instead, you know, go outside and play football, or, you know, run around out in a park or something go sledding, if you have snow something you can do to just get up and get moving. You can still bring your family. But don't fall into the laziness of sitting around, right? Okay. All right. So get moving people that some good advice and also avenues advice. Look, the sport of pickle ball in really is awesome. All right. One way that's going to do it for our final upset of the season. We wanna thank you for being our guest today and getting motivated to actually work out. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Sure. And we also wanna think our favorite dietitian, Deb for stopping by the show. Again. Don't forget you our loyal listeners that stands for living healthy podcast, by the way. Are the reason why we do this? So we want to talk about the topics that interest, you and share your stories. So you got two months, send us an Email tweets and Facebook message, whatever you gotta do share your topic with us, and we'll try and get it on the air. We also wanna remind you once again that this is our holiday break. So we are going to be taking a break for a little bit. But we will be back in January for season two. So that means if you haven't subscribed to us yet. This is your last chance so that you get that instant notification right when our new. Episode airs January otherwise you might forget about us. And that would be sad. So make sure you subscribe also we wanna think everyone for being a loyal listener during our inaugural season. You guys have been great. It went way better than we could have ever expected. So we hope you have an amazing holiday season with your friends and family, and we will see you in January, and we will see you in the gym. Propsed you if you actually stayed this long. But this really is the it. So we'll see in January.

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Injuries: Back, Knee, Shoulder  Podcast Ep. 28

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Injuries: Back, Knee, Shoulder Podcast Ep. 28

"Hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the Living Healthy Podcast we are your host Andrew Bell and Canada Terry and on today's episode we're focusing on injuries or to be more specific three of the most common injuries the backs knees and on shoulders. We're going to be discussing what you should and should not be doing to help. Facilitate the recovery process. Our guest today is L._A.. Fitness Master trainer and Newly Crowned Division Three Baseball National Champion as a coach the one and only Jeff Fox how you doing Jeff Andrew. How're you guys doing doing great especially because I gotta say we're jumping in here? <hes> we got three Chapman alums here and Chapman just one the division three <hes> Baseball National Championship Jeff Fox is a coach. Thank you Sir so tells about that. How what was that run like going through that tournament? What an unreal experience you know we played seven games in five days up there? In Cedar Rapids Iowa Bathroom Tornado Warnings Really always fun deal deal when you're in Iowa right but no it was unbelievable yeah the guy's really came together and and had an incredible run <hes> get some really great competition to talk in the top eight teams basically from the entire country coming together and in an playing in a tournament to see who's who's the best of the best so to speak and yeah it was it was quite phenomenal. How often have you gotten to the tournament before so since let's see we became a division three school in ninety five since that time we've been to the world series eight times okay and we last time we were there was in two thousand eleven? This is before I had gotten there and we're runners up that year okay and then an oath three. We won the whole thing as well so we've been in the championship mm ship game twice during that that run as well right. I I feel like you chaplains always had a pretty good baseball team. I guess when I when I was there I feel like they always had a pretty good team and a good shot so so what was your highlight of the tournament for you. Oh man there is when that last hours recorded yeah. I was watching this and I'm just like. Can we get a little excitement out of Jeff Fox here because I don't know maybe I'd camera was cutting to you and you're just like walking around like all right. Yeah we one okay and crazy and trying to be like cool. You're always trying to keep your composure right. That's one of the things as a as a guy that the players look up to coach right to keep that even keel but no internally I was a seven year old man was running up and down jumping climate shock about it. It's it's still surreal. You know the the fact that it's even come and gone right. It's still a surreal feeling after Kinda pinch myself every now and then go okay. Did that really happen with the whole thing so no it was great. No the coaches I once last hours recorded we had a we had a nice moments ago. There's all kind of came in to the big group Hug and stuff that you would see on T._v.. Yeah and then yeah so that point composure setback go out and the rest of the guys congratulations. That's awesome congratulations. Thank you very much all right so before we get started with this game the social plug yes we just want to remind our listeners that you can send your questions to us via any of our social channels for a chance to be featured any future podcast episode just make sure to he's the Hashtag living healthy podcast. We don't Miss your comments and you're finished questions can also end up on our ask. A trainer Youtube series or nutrition questions could wind up on our ask our DIETITIAN feature on the La Fenice living healthy blog or so Jif. Let's get back the episode here. We kind of broke this episode up three parts. It's about injuries and you know what I'm GonNa. Call inaudible here and since there's three parts the back there's the knees and there's the shoulders. which do you WanNa talk about? I <hes> let's go back. I okay back well. That was part one. That's run. I guess all right well. Let's talk about back then. What are the most common types of back injuries that you see well? We usually get the L L five Combo so it's usually a lower back. Issue is typically could will we get not so much in the upper area. The neck will come into play obviously but that's different spot for us to work with so you lower back issues. It's typically L L five and and you know whether it's rotational movement guys. Can't you know clients can't move themselves laterally or even just be able to bend down in touch their toes kind of get it all right. Is there a way that you can kind of help prevent back injuries from happening. You know I've heard like your core has a lot to do with your back or having having a strong core is that true yes core strength is everything it really is so whether that's your abs your lower back your your hips abductors abductors all those things that are basically in the middle of your body are extremely important to your health long-term and if you want to try to add more strength your upper body or lower body those are GonNa have to be strong enough to be able to hold you place while even trying to do an exercise you know so often we talk about form and how important form is will viggo by the wayside then that lower back that midsection is the the first thing is GonNa take the brunt of it. The injury potential obviously increases <hes> see. I feel like a lot of people think that back injuries only happen to like the more seasoned adults about I mean we know that's false. It's just why do you think think that so. Many people believe this. Why does it tend to affect older generations? You know more than younger generations well the other day our bodies vehicles gay you buy a brand new car. You take it off the lot. Everything should be working really well at that point all right. You just need to do some oil changes rotate. The tires lives pretty good once that vehicle starts getting older more mature. What happens you start? Having engine issues maybe or transmission issues. Maybe while that's our body our body reacts the access same way the more wear and tear regardless of what kind of wear and tear our bodies eventually start to tear down enough to our injuries become a potential possibility and again lower back ends up being the one major area that we see most of those issues happening <hes> see you kind of need to keep up with your maintenance plan. Even in your new car days exactly have someone jeopardy I guess in not run into that as early exactly what are some of the go-to machines or moves that you use to kind of strengthen the back or even can strengthen the core since the court so important we do a lot of stability exercises so whether that's you know being on the ground and doing certain kind of holds like playing colds things of that nature one of my favorite exercises right now is straight leg. Sit ups <hes> so basically a having your legs completely straight on the ground and not letting them lift at all right while you lift your upper body up and then reach touch your toes and then lawyers saw back down again and the amount of core strength that really truly takes from both front and back side of your body body ends up being really really beneficial down the road for people in terms of overall core strength there but anything that's stability oriented so using physio balls using those who balls medicine balls things like that and trying to hold positions with those or move those particular devices around while maintaining a strong core R- is really really important. You know that's interesting that you mentioned the straight leg kind of sit up or crunch is that is that kind of a newer concept now because I feel like it is like I've actually I started started doing that recently but mostly I think are still like the knees bent kind of ninety degree. Doing a setup is why the straight leg method so everything right now the we're finding is is spine stability oriented okay. So how can we keep our spine. Nine in as an anatomical position as it's supposed to be while doing some of these exercises a lot of times when we think about doing an APP exercise you think crunches were sit-ups will most people are going to take their hands put it behind their head and crank their head forward to try to bring their upper body towards their lower body are spine gets completely twisted in a way because of that and now we're experiencing difficulty with our lower back difficulty with their neck. Those kinds of issues are popping up so if we can keep our spine in line while we do an exercise run a much better position at that point in straight Lake sit-ups really truly require that to happen. I'm going to try that because I have always hated crunches which is actually and so I started. I switched to just planks. It's Kinda like build that core but I haven't tried the way to mix it up yeah. I've actually been doing it and it definitely I mean it. Does I mean because I had heard I think from some leading spine specialists that those kind of like better position Asian for your spine like what you're mentioning so it's something interesting out there to try. Maybe the straight legs sit up and one of the things I always try to get clients to focus on what they do that. Exercise specifically is keeping the back of the heels to be on the ground so you almost kind of push through them in a sense as you lift your upper body up the minute that your legs Papa now you've taken away from the exercise a little bit okay so if you can keep those feet plants it on the ground with your leg straight right now the full benefit like the back of your he'll not your flat exactly that are there the products on the market that can help ease back pain or a back injury yeah sure steroids. It's just a straight and they're really I always think of when it comes to back. Injuries are those icy hot pads keypads those actually work or this is kind of you know. It's depending upon what you're what you're doing okay. So are you going to get into your workout routine. Then you WANNA heat up that area <hes> a lot of times even with our our players <hes> we with our training staff we do a lot of cupping and by doing that eight increases blood blood flow so coming basically you're you're taking a class action pulling your skin up this suction cup in a sense gnarly crazy and we do dry cupping <hes> there's other forms but the dry cupping part is the one that really I think we get most of our benefit from and it just increasing blood flow. That's really what we're trying to do at that point in time and so if you're getting ready for a workout and maybe go with a heap had you know try to loosen that area get that area nice and warm so to speak the blood flow can kind of increase and now I'm feeling pretty good as I'm exercising and then afterwards yeah you want to take an ice pack and apply that to the area and just kind of let everything cool back down again and let the recovery process kick in <music> good to go at that point interesting okay so kind of hot if you're planning on kind of moving around or doing movement doing a workout and cold when you're cooling down or just chilling exactly right there yeah okay to work out though and you have a back injury it's safe. It depends upon the injury so I if it's that severe we're gonNA probably be doing some very specific things with you. That are more isolated. We're not gonNa have you doing straight leg. Sit Up probably at that point in time but if it's something that's minor an in an acute injury so to speak some of that we can be able to play with and and do some things yes we'll we'll go ahead and and work that injury out in a sense and get stronger okay all right well. That's <hes> that's some good talk about the back. So you got to choices left which what's it GonNa be knees or shoulder going North or South throw. Oh let's go north. Let's go all right out of migrating bird. <hes> okay so we're doing shoulders so Kansas. Why don't you leave okay? So how important is it really to focus on shoulder strengthen strengthening exercises because you always hear about leg day an arm day and Dave but rarely ever feel like have you heard about shoulder days a is that because it should just be a part of the day well yes and no is probably the best answer to that <hes> shoulders terrible answer no. I'm sorry I would say with the shoulder specifically if you're going to do you know an arnold press or if you're doing like actual shoulder exercise you're trying to build strength. That's going to be involved in arm day but the actual shoulder itself has a lot of different small muscle or ligaments tendons things like that that you're going to have to really focus on and keep that elasticity there because if we only just do benchpress benchpress bench press and all of a sudden you try to reach behind you to grab something there goes your shoulder gone so the ability to be able to do all those oh smaller muscle tendon ligaments specific type exercises is something that you have to do almost Wednesday daily but but quite close to it okay so is that kind of like. Is it a good <hes> like if you're doing like a chest shoulders ours and triceps kind of like workout and those kind of day basically goes together. It's in exactly okay then you can either do it. The way that we Kinda have our clients or even my players baseball right. I mean shoulder issues are are very common issued depending on how you go about your your business taking care of your body so we do more of a dynamic warm-up type deal before they go out and throw and then once they're done then it becomes more of the static stretch becomes becomes you know working with some band things like that to try to keep that area from from contracting constricting too much too fast and he's going one hundred zero you so there's there's a process. Even if it's bench Thursday you don't just jump in and throw to forty five on on the bench just start. Hey after so yeah so what are some of the best exercises for the shoulders that you'd like to do with your clients or an which kind of muscle should he folks on building through the sure we we do a Lotta dumbbells <hes> really small in terms of weight so you're talking eight five pounds. Maybe ten pounds Max okay <hes> and they go through a rotational piece in a sense so he might do some phrases lateral raises a reverse flies in there. Some you know we do one where we're actually she. Laying on the bench <hes> I call snow angels so they're basically making a circular motion arms. <hes> with yeah sounds Nice. It's probably not pleasant at all so so we do that and then <hes> we might finish with some we call them Jay band so anything that's banned oriented <hes> we'll do those kind of things to help out that area as well and that'll be that pre-workout. Let's get our body feeling good feeling loose in that area and then hit hard with a strain training part and then afterwards. We just do a normal cool down so we'll we'll hang a lot of times it feels fantastic by the way <hes> but as long as you're grip strength is they're getting on an actual pull down bar or getting to a AH cinnabar just holding just holding holding and hang on and it feels so so good <hes> now if you're formed shrinks not there might not feel may not be able to do it as long exactly so if you try to hold yourself there for thirty seconds after. After a good upper body routine you'll feel really really good afterwards. It'll be nice kind of calm or I don't know the last time I've just hung from something like maybe I'm at the playground with myself just like I'm GonNa Hang on these monkey bars the joy so it's interesting you said really lightweight. Is that that super-critical to this in y lightweight. Are you doing a lot of reps then or just. You're doing a lot harder kind of you're doing not really necessary. A lot of reps ups as you're doing a lot of different exercise movements okay to get that whole thing about the way that your shoulder is right the ball and socket joint so it's got multiple ways that it can move so we have to be able to move it in those ways with with some kind of resistance but not something that's overbearing because again our our bodies cold at that point so we can't just jump into that to forty five bench press right away. We're not gonNA give you twenty pound dumbbells and go. Hey do a front raise. Real quick for me just not going to happen. You're going her yourself more than help yourself so yes. It is very lightweight oriented star with okay for someone. That already has a shoulder injury. What should they do to recover? Is it still okay for them to go to the gym or should they be doing something. Put It in a sling and forget him. <hes> again it goes back to the severity of the injury. You know I think quite often people wanna just not do anything <hes> right yeah and and that can actually hurt you more than they can help you. <hes> if you have a shoulder injury. Should you still be moving and using your arm not just kind of like say you know here. You've hurt your right shoulder. You know not using your right yeah. No yeah you can still you WanNa do as much as you normally do as possible okay so take the severity of the injury and scale it back according to how severe that injury is so if you completely you know tore your rotator cuff will then obviously that we're in a sling to start with ice. A couple of weeks have gone by then we just work on range of motion without any weight I mean it's usually just stretching at that point to try to get everything to get back into place and then we start adding weight resistance stuff from from that point on but if this is you know sore shoulder older and you know you've just been kind of nursing in a little bit you can start getting it back to normal at that point time without having to really just take time off in a sense there <hes> ways you can kind of prevent shoulder burn out or kind of that shoulder soreness. It's like people of different walks life whether you're carrying a backpack on your shoulder all the time or you're lifting your kids up or you're sitting at a desk and just typing you know. Is there something you can do to kind of help you handle. I guess that kind of workload in your life sure I always call spread the wealth so what you would do is for me. I'm right handed so naturally when I'm picking up my son or if I'm going to reach for something it's normally with my right hand to grab it and do something with it while mentally tell yourself off today's left-handed day. I'm just GONNA grab. I'm going to grab a cereal box the left hand. I'm GonNa grab you know the dishes with left hand. I'm going to grab my kid now with my left hand and you start doing those things and before you know it you've kind of spread the wealth enough to where you don't feel the next day like Oh man my right side is just killing me. Today had my son the entire day and I just oh man I you know couldn't can't can't get out of this feels terrible so spread the wealth. Give yourself a chance to be able to use both limbs and you'll find that <hes> things aren't quite so bad. Okay that's quite what would you say as more important muscle health or bone health. I'M GONNA go right in between those two. I'm going to say ligaments tendons attendance the more those can take on resistance <hes> the better off. You're going to be for both of those muscles and bones so I that's the biggest thing for me so we talk so much about range promotion and mobility. I it's huge I it. It's everything to a human being right being successful so with everything else we cannot get stronger physically unless our body is prepared to do it and that's where all of our ligaments Minson tendons come in at that point okay awesome right well that that concludes the shoulders section <hes> so you don't even have a choice we're going to knees. He's GonNa throw me inaudible and go something like ankles yeah well. I was thinking ear lobes that works to yeah so then he's so a lot of people suffer from knee injuries. That's a big thing you carrying a lot on that. Is it okay to work out with an injury just starting with the basics to still going back to it. Same answer gave for the the first the first two severity so what are we actually looking at you know. Are you talking about a tornado Seattle. Are you talking about just some tendonitis and really you know what might be and if it's workable right if we can actually do some things with that then we'll isolated in a way that maybe doing wall sets or maybe we're doing pushes off the wall with our feet. You know little things like that. <hes> remaining dead lifts something. That's very fixed okay. We're just bending at the waste and coming back up. We're not doing anything that's bending the knee you to get to a position here. Really truly is based on what that severity is and will work with from there if someone is to like <unk> dislocate their knee but like POPs back into play some people that they're running or whatever and it like dislocates locates in the house back in there's a name I don't remember though but is it okay to still be working our like to be mobile on that need just wearing like a knee brace or should they be completely off of it because I know that after something like data can start swelling sure sure again it goes back to what's what is the. What does the initial problem so if it's just a one time deal? There's probably going to be a whole lot more swelling in there that point in time and we're GONNA WANNA take some time off first and Dan okay. I it feels everything is back in place and I can start working off it again the swellings down. I'm feeling pretty good. If some of that happens routinely right I mean you talk about with like shoulders even popping in and out quite frequently knees. Don't typically do that often <hes> but if somebody does have an issue like that they maybe we do wrap the knee <hes> while they're doing a certain routine maybe maybe we are going a little bit heavier on you know <hes> squats or whatever <hes> dead lifts and we probably do WanNa what kind of give ourselves a chance to have that knee more stable they maybe we will do those things but I'm always big on the less the better so we don't have to wrap the knee and we can do some things to be able to create a scenario where we can get stronger with those muscles which which are they going to help the knee eventually then. Let's do that too in your experience. What <hes> what are some of the reasons you see? The knee injuries happened <hes> like what kind of causes knee injuries to happen sure see you know depending upon what what avenue I'm in rights over talking sports. It's just luck of the draw quite often. <hes> you know you see some of the most fit strongest people in the world and they just make a wrong turn and snap goes in terms of clients or the general population quite often. It tends to be more of an overweight type deal. If you're carrying too much on top everything obviously trickles down south and that's where joints you know you're either your hips. Your knees ankles. All those areas are going to get a lot more of the burden in terms of what you're trying to do physically even if it's just walking sometimes going up the stairs <hes> if you are an overweight individual those areas really truly take a toll and we start having issues with with our knees at that point going back to the car metaphor. Is it kind of like your joints are almost like your shock absorbers like your knees for sure shock absorbers essentially so can I have to do with <hes>. Is it like about the tendons not being strong enough or is it like the bone more so we're still talking ligaments tendons. There really are <hes> you know. The bone is what it is the bones what it is really GonNa Change but the ligament tenants still wanna have a good bone density that you still want to have those things in place right <hes> but you know they can only do so much if those tendons ligaments can't withstand the added burden of whatever if it's if it's the exercise itself. If it's you whatever it might be what are some of the best needs strengthening exercises yeah yeah. Let's get them. Strong skills niece strong right right again depending upon the how that person were that person is in terms of physically but I've always been a big believer in squats and lunges you know we can have we have the ability to do those those two types of exercises. We're going to be a really really good spot in terms of being able to get the knee in any other joint in that area <hes> a whole lot stronger functional movement yesterday. What exactly is that what you have your catchers do a ton of all their on big time surges around the ballpark exactly so reverse lunges <hes> now we don't do back squats <hes> kind of going back to the lower back issue? I'm not a big big person. I'm putting pressure on the on our spine in terms of right up on top right so we usually do more traditional dead lifts or if it is a squad. Maybe it's a front squat. It's more of the front of our body so it's a lighter weight because we can't do as much weight up there <hes> so we try to do that way instead of instead of putting on the back of her spine and going from there are there things that <hes> listenership steer clear of if they're prone any injuries type a workouts like like running on the treadmill or something or maybe inclines or hit training eating you know hits a big thing right now. Is that kind of okay for someone anything. That's that's a high intensity exercise on the joint itself. If you don't have the ability to be able to you know walk then why sprint right it's really as simple as that so you know if you're having knee issues and you're overweight. Don't be doing box jumps. You know don't don't be doing something like that initially. If you WanNa try something maybe do step ups. I okay great now. I've you know I've got my weight into more of a controlled trolled area. My joints are starting to feel better okay now. Maybe I get into box jumps at that point in time but let's go to act. Let's exact Zach so you know something interesting to me is the bike okay for some with the knee injury because I would think almost logically you'd you think like no this is the knee and I'm rotating so maybe that's not but sure again it depends upon what are you know if it's a it's a ligament issue and the push extension with the bike hurts it aggravates it then. Obviously we want to avoid it. <hes> I've always been a big fan of the treadmill okay and if we can be on the treadmill and just even walk. That's going to be a lot better for us. In terms of what our bodies are required to do physically throughout the day right I mean right I mean we're just talking active of living and and for us that the treadmill mimics it the most so we can do it that way then let's do it <hes> if that's still too much in terms of the intensity part of it on on the joint then let's go ahead and go into elliptical. Maybe maybe that's the better alternative at that point in time I usually stay clear of bikes just in general not to say that they're they're just went on and you got that is true with the rise of these e scooters may we won't even be walking much but I mean you know you. You'd mentioned how excess weight can put a lot of pressure on the knees but does that even apply to excess weight that comes from muscles like do bodybuilders run into this problem a lot while you're gonNA find wind. bodybuilders have issues only because of just trying to push a ton of weight. I it's just more in that scenario just like an athlete right. You put so much work at some point in time. Your body has a limit. It has a ceiling feeling and if you try to go beyond that ceiling regardless physically probably exactly something bad could potentially happen so you do get those bodybuilders or the like the the strongman competitors really those are the ones you see more often is trying into lift some giant you know rock on top of a platform and they're just gives out as they're trying to do it so those things do happen <hes> but it's because of the amount that was like my favorite programming in the summer back when I was a kid like I just watching world's strongest man competitions. Did they film. When do these take place like I dunno to watch that it's amazing amount of constant so they're put in their last it yeah you have to have that all right? Well Jeff covers a lot of ground on injuries to you as we wrap up every show with actual advice you have something that the listener can take away about injuries that you think is kind of a key eh factor to kind of understanding or handling an injury very very simple P- Rehab is a whole lot better than rehab boom mic drop he would drop it which means is now. Let's explain what that means. It's a whole lot better to work your body out in a way that is getting your joints and ligaments and everything that you need to be strong strong than trying to do it without without that piece getting hurt and now having to go through surgery and Rehab Rain and if you don't know how to do that I mean you can always check in with like our results. Personal trainers show you those exercises to help build. It doesn't matter exactly they'll get you on that maintenance program. Those tires rotated will change. That's what it's all right well. Thank you very much anytime you guys. Thank you for having me right well. That's going to do it for this. Show and <hes> we just WANNA take moment here real quick to save that there is a lot going on with the podcast. I'm about to have a baby so I can be out of here any day now any second really we're waiting for my phone to light out but it hasn't happened <hes> so <hes> we I do have these in the can we do prerecord these so we should be having episodes of the next couple of months both see where it goes from there at candidates also is going to be leaving the podcast. She's moving on <hes> now so I just wanted to say personally. Thank you can is joined the podcast it's so much for and <hes> and it was great having you on the show. Honestly it's been great. He's been good so <hes> so with that will leave you with the typical rigmarole about social media you can <hes> leave your comments on social channels use as the Hashtag living healthy podcasts used to Hashtag see Kansas and <hes> we'll try and get back to <hes> but anyway until the next podcast <hes>. We'll see you in the gym the.

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A glimpse into Microsoft's Data and AI strategy

Big Data Beard

21:00 min | 2 years ago

A glimpse into Microsoft's Data and AI strategy

"You're listening to the big data. Welcome back to the big your podcast. I'm Robert your host for today. And with me is Kyle who made the trek all the way across from the, the bigger pond from Australia share, and we're actually in beautiful Washington at the Bellevue, Microsoft campus. And with me, our guest is John J g chair port. I said, you said that. Yes. Third time's? The charm who's actually these general manager of Azure data so j g thank you so much being with us today. Hey, thanks for having us guys. I mean, I finally get to meet new big data guys. Yeah. With the beard. I mean. It is. It's incorporated is trademark. You don't have to have a beer to talk about. I tried to grow one by the way for this podcast you dead. Yeah. Been Krant for it last night. Right. A little bit of time. Yeah. But no, we're excited to have you on do saver. Tell the audience a little bit about yourself what you do. Well, you know what I do is make a customer successful with data in a on Azure, and this runs the gamut from basically helping them get data estate and auto both on premises. And the hybrid environments on the cloud help them under stand. The analytic techniques that you're gonna play on topless at eventually lead them to one of the eye and turning those insights into action. Now, before we get into the portfolio, and everything. Yeah. I know that you're not the most famous person within your social media accounts. You do have someone that's insta- famous tells a little bit about that. That's really interesting. That's true. Yes, I'm not the famous most famous person by longshot in the in the family. I have a dog called, captain nemo. He's a rescue caucus. His name was neem. Oh, and you know, he was he was bred is one of those Christmas holiday puppies. And it was abandoned so and his name was Nima. That's what I, I guess, after the fish thing, the movie. I'm so I couldn't have a dog just called nemo's. I stuck a captain. So we got a field promotion. He got a promotion right to cat. And, you know, he's, he's a scaredy cat. Okay. So a have to stick the word bad ass. So the hand list, captain nemo badass fifty thousand fifty thousand. Gosh, that's what a logo fellow. Every morning, he wakes me up jumps dot my chest sits there. So he makes my life. He's your dog out of the family. Oh he's my dog. He lays out the funny thing has been I, sometimes when they when, when I leave for work, my wife sends me a picture. He thought allies in front of the garage, and for our sometimes just waiting to come back. Awesome so shifting gears back to what you're doing a little bit about the portfolio in what Microsoft is offering to their customers your customers to help them. Get started with data. Do great things data. And then again bridge the gap to move to AI. Yes. You know, there's a reason why we look at data and together and it all begins with really understanding what a customer has and helping him understand what they have in terms of data. So it starts with on premises. Right. So an on premises, we have sequel server and if you follow the journey of sequel server, it's no longer the sequel server that was released. I release, I think twenty five years ago it is much more capable it runs on x. It has big data capabilities coming in, and it helps them to manage the data that data stayed on possible on on premises. I'm sorry. And then from there, but there's a ton of data assets in the cloud. For customers that use to adopt data according to their own choice for sequel server customers that Seagal Devi dispose. There's my sequel, there's are famous no sequel database called Cosmo's Devi from there. We've got a set of analytics offerings. We've got a loop in the cloud in the form of HD insight. We've got data breaks that allow you to spark on data secretive warehouse and from there. We lead them to machine learning through cognitive services as machine learning and things like knowledge mining. So it's a it's a, it's a big portfolio, but it's Catholic, you rated and had to really put the story together. Yeah. Now, you guys obviously Microsoft is a massive company has a lot of offerings but you guys are also up against some competition for other cloud providers. What do you think sets you apart as Microsoft against the other providers? Yeah. There are I would say about three things that. That Sarah's apart, you know, compared to all the other cloud providers, what we have on premises. It's hybrid value proposition. The rat the reality is not. Everybody is a bone in the cloud customer. Right. There's a ton of data that sitting on premises. Does data that can never move to the cloud because of GDP or privacy or security restrictions. So we of offer we continue to invest in sequel server fundamental way to ensure that we never leave those customers behind the second thing that really sets us apart is the fact that we are built on trust trust insecurity is vital to us. And, and, you know, Azure cloud with the most amount of security, certifications, and trust certifications compared to any other cloud. And the third thing is. It's the platter off choice. We are we work very. Hard to make a customer successful. We'll never compete with customers bright. And so that concept of openness, and welcoming all sorts of partners, cloud, helping customers be successful as you whatever technology, they use better sequel server post grass, we're committed to the journey with them. That's really that those are the things that really set as a to all the other clubs. Yeah. And one of the things I've noticed is that you be to your point. You're not saying it's all or nothing game. Right. Yeah. You have options for on Prem. Yes. You have is options, then you have services that you can do in the cloud as well. Also think talking talk a little bit about the three different options and how that provides almost a, a. A runway so to speak to kind of be successful in, in the cloud all off premesis. Yeah. So I so I the, the Rabi see does. Yes. So when you think about the Azure cloud, and this is probably true of any cloud. You know, there's a the core starts with network storage, and compute. And then on top of that, you really start building. Advance applications, do the due date a management. Analytics, a and things like that. But just to your point, I think when you let's take a sequel, Sova customer. Let's say they want to utilize the cloud. It is up to me to provide the most amount of options to them in their migrated modernization journey. So somebody might come and say, hey, listen. All I really want to do is move to infrastructure as a service and put the sequel server in via absolutely relate. You do that reinfect have programs that make it financially much more attractive than any other cloud to make make them. Make the transition in a much more easy fashion. And that example is as your hybrid benefit for secret sober. If they say they want to modernize it, which means lifted shifted, and change, it, we give them, you know, essentially to options there, there's easy lift and shift into sequel database, managed instance, Noko changes are quiet. All you do is you pick it up. Drop it into managed instance it's instantly modernized. You don't have to worry about Sova versions. You don't have to worry about patches nothing, if you want to rewrite it as a pass Saudi SAS application, use something like elastic pools, another destinations side sequel, DB. That's just one example. Right. So we are there is not Iran ical approach in how we think about this. We meet the customer, where they are we meet them, according to choice. And we say what you want, we will deliver. Right. And we will meet you there. That's great. That's really important thinking other that's really important is partnerships. Yes. And working with some of these third parties to help them integrate into your platform. So can you talk about kind of what's Microsoft's position on partnering with other ISV's to kind of provide that full range of services and platforms or or solutions for customers? Yeah, we are absolutely. We're clear right about the fact that customer has multiple choices data management that are no sequel systems, just like that relational systems in the relations systems, we've seen the growth of things like Chris, and my sequel, right? So our goal really is to meet the customers where they are. And if you are in when you have that mindset, it's vitally bring the most important partners as any partner anybody who's interested in participating the cloud journey with us onto, as you, I'll give you some examples, you know. We have h d I, which is, you know, you know, it is HD insight. This is a full featured managed loop in the cloud. We also have agreements with hot and works Cloudera. We coexist we do not compete. We have data bricks which runs as a first party serves, their, the founders spark, and the run as a first party service, and Azure, as your data bricks fully integrated with us stack fully integrated with things like active directory. We also HD spark we coexist. We do not compete. The list is endless, we have elastic, right. We have a list of customers that on first plans an open source company. Why even partner with them? But the reality is. That's not how we approach it, Azure is an open cloud, and we will forever be an open cloud. Yeah. I understand databanks just went through series e funding. Yeah. What do you see your strategy around data? Bricks for the next year. Six months. Yeah. We will continue to do our best to make them as successful as possible in Asia. And in the service of customer, you know, when you think about machine learning and he I the debt, there's a couple of things we see here. There's a set of customers that are coming to machine learning via the big data ecosystem. Right. So you collect the tunnel data. Right. You've done your data warehousing and lyrics there. Then you say that, hey, listen. I've got a whole bunch of data that I'm going to put in a data lake right? And probably HDFS of compatible system, use your favorite hoop. Engine on top of it. Spark and cough. Gotta have sought of broken out in that world. And then they say, hey, I've got all this data. I've built my data pipelines. I think I want to use it for machine learning. Right. Data bricks fit so beautifully in that sort of nexus, then there's a set a customers that come in and say, well, we are a bunch of devil. Purse we're building apps and we like a much more code I and wine -ment. We've got a an also notebook and wineman but, you know, cold, I, maybe a little bit of a local environment that we got Email. Right. So it's it can't be that when you're in such a vital early space, you, you, you're sort of, you know, close minded to the different approaches that people are applying there, and we've got to meet our customers, come and this way or the other way I love to coexist. I think that's huge. And I honestly think that's one of the biggest themes that we're gonna see. Yeah. Living Ford or more and more organizations embrace the idea of, we're not competing. Yeah. Working with you because customers aren't just going to go with one distribution or one, one company, they're going to spread it out. Yeah. Speaking, which give me give me an example. What's your favorite customer, success story? When it comes to just being able to use whether sequel data warehouses billing that data pipeline. Yeah. So I think one of. The one of my favorite examples is a company that engages in smarter management. Okay. Call east mart systems if you haven't heard of them, they essentially specialize in troubleshooting, and repairing down power grids all over the United States, and take, Florida, for example. Unfortunately, always the higher, the hurricane okay and before east mart systems and data approach to it a powerline goes down a good goes down. You really have to troubleshoot you have to let people wait, and with our their employees going figure, where it's down to a bunch of troubleshooting. My favorite part of the story is how they used data. And, and data fact to solve this problem and what they've done what they do. Now, his no, send out quad Cooper's drones with cameras fitted, right? And these cameras are fitted with machine. Learning model that essentially can tell the difference between a healthy grit, and a down line and things like that. So they, they send it out all of the effected area. The data sent into a cloud, as you Bruns machine learning understand exactly what's going on. And, and communicates back to headquarters saying that, hey, listen. You might want to send a set of technicians to say this road are the intersection, because it looks like there's a down power line right here is an example of a customer, that's innovating in a way with Cloudera. And that's it's never been possible before and doing it in a way that they are profoundly affecting you know helping. You know customers as well as helping that employees. That's awesome. And so, and I were actually very lucky to be out here for the data and AI immersion event, the Swedes enjoy it was amazing absolutely incredible. It was it was brilliant. I loved it. One of the things I love the most is the story around the drones and the windmills. Yes. And you know because of the hazard, the time, it takes to actually have a drone train a drone physically around the windmill. You are creating the environment virtually you are then train the drone via your computer. Yeah. And then putting it into production. So tell, like I think that's a great story. That's a great thing house, make shots, enabling a wider spread training of AI capabilities. See, I think the, the thing is we are on a journey in those area, just like customers are there are I would say we have still, you know. There's a. The way. I sometimes imagine. I and machine learning it feeds like we are in the early days of the internet. You know, I still remember as a grad student, you know, in the late nineties, or undergrad in the late nineties, and, you know, you could just literally visit only to all sides. Okay, just wells. Like that's all they were, you know, twelve that's all he could go to. And he'll be out today. It is so essential. It's woven into every aspect of our lives. My children, you know, have never lived in a world without the internet. I think AI you know, will be that transmit of thing. So the lesson I learned then that I play here today is that really not to stand in the way of great tech, put the right guardrails around it around. It takes ethics around around AI for good, but in general, let the technology mature and develop according to our customers think about it versus how we think about it. So this is one of the reasons why Azure, we provide building blocks right vision, speech language. Those building blocks, we provide different machine learning approaches. And then we welcome customers to see what they can create on it. This is how. Smartest possible. This is why the example you see is possible. So what you will see from us as more that continued experimentation that continue journey, and you can believe it will continue to cast wide net. So I know you heard about things like onyx right a game. It's an it's an commitment from us, not to engage in an unproductive framework battle. Right. What's the point of that? If you know if somebody wants to us by torch, by all means let them use by they want us stencil flow at them. You of flow, psychic loan by all means use I could learn, you know, what onyx allows you to do is to basically, you know, regardless of the framework us, you can actually be productive across all of them. Right. So that sort of unifying approach is what AI needs today. And that's what we are committed to providing now as customers are entering this journey. Yeah. What are you seeing? The biggest challenge for customers data education tack. I think the first biggest challenge. I see is there's obviously, there's a lot of fraud and fraud comes, but with a little bit exciting as it also comes with a lot of practical considerations that you have to, you know you have to walk work. The first is actually, to get the data state an auto. Right. So, you know, you've collected if you take an average enterprise that we work with they've collected data over the hit over the lifetime, that corporation on premises the cloud in various data leaks in various systems, so getting that data under management and getting that, right? Is really the first step as boring as that sounds unless you know what you have. How do you know what you can do with wrangling is not easy wrangling is not easy? That should be a t-shirt shirt, by the way, wrangling ninety. I think. I think that should be the subject. We could do that version, two awesome. We'll send you one. Proudly. Great. So, yeah. So once they do that, you know, the, you know, the insights, they get from it can be turned into action, right? And in a I just like an analytics view. Remember the early days of her. Do pride known start with a clean sheet of paper? Everybody starts with some legacy here. Right. But it takes a while for them to work through that legacy. Really understand what they have before. They start getting places the second challenge. I that, that I see with customers is really making sense of the wide variety of technologies and approaches that I'm available. So this is where we are also being taken a very clarifying approach. Right. I just explained data bricks and Azure machine learning. Right. So what we tell our customers exactly that if you're a big data person if you're committed to the spark ecosystem by all means come this way, if you're not go the. The way. Now. That's awesome. We're super excited about what Microsoft is doing in the analytic space and the space just providing customers with the wide range of tools, and services. It's great. We were blown away by this weekend. And we were talking like, we did not realize the depth and breadth of what you guys are doing in this. That's awesome JD. Thank you so much for being Acura. Cassie really enjoyed it say hi to captain nemo for us is. Also, but really, appreciate you being on the podcast. Thank you very much back. You so much. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Thanks for listening to the big data beard podcast. Today's episode is brought to you by data work summit. Taking place in Washington. DC may twentieth through the twenty third interesting going use promo code BDB nineteen for fifteen percent off your conference pass. The music from this episode as by Andrew bell. Check him out on itunes or Spotify.

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Machine Teaching Concepts at Microsoft Build

Big Data Beard

20:45 min | 2 years ago

Machine Teaching Concepts at Microsoft Build

"Welcome to the big data beard at build conference, two thousand nineteen. Hi, everybody. This is Corey Menton with the big beer team. And we are at Microsoft's build conference in Seattle Washington, and I'm joined by my buddy, Bret Roberts, and we've got two awesome guests for Microsoft joining us. We've got Mark Hammond and David Carmona. Welcome. Gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you for having. Why don't you do my favorite introduce yourselves? Yeah. Absolutely meant to start. Please go into that. That's at that. Come on monitoring microcephaly. I so I do from the strategy Olah for my cafe. I to Dan things like, go to market strategy decision for all up very cool. And I'm Marquette. And I'm the general manager business say, I, I focus on a ton of systems and come to Microsoft this time at least by way of the banzai acquisition. I also worked at Microsoft and the product teams in the late nineties and in the field as an developer evangelists in the early two thousands. Very cool. So, so more, I want to dig in a little bit. That's you. You talked about this bonds acquisition. Tell me a little bit about what banzai what you guys are doing bonsai, so bonsai is focused on an area. That's Tottenham a- systems. So how do you build intelligence and use a I in context where you have systems that need to interact in these complex, dynamic environments, and have intelligent behavior? We created some techniques called machine teaching which is a, a natural complement to machine learning that allow subject matter and domain experts to bring their subject their expertise into the equation, which in these systems becomes really important for making them operate the way you want very cool. So there was a number of announcements on, I think there will be more this week talking about Thomas systems, and what the team for Bonzo and other parts of Microsoft, or doing, what are the announcements that you guys are most excited about they've also with you. So maybe even going acting with what you just said, a one of the things of that concept that Marwick explaining, this concert, machine, teaching how to. Empower people to a great those autonomous systems is that it was very well connected with Microsoft vision of empowering every developer on your organization. So that's how we started together, right out? So that was in there. So what we did yesterday was announcing all the progress that we have been doing in the last year on how Dr knowledge is becoming real volleyball to customers as part of the borough their vision in Microsoft, providing those AI coupla Bility's for developers on organizations to be on top of them. Very cool. Yeah. I see that a lot in the number of the announcement. It's like Microsoft has been using a lot of these tools and techniques internally for product development to make your products and your business process smarter another come into the forefront. Right. So talk to me a little bit about some of the autonomous systems things that are that. You're excited about in terms of the announcement this week. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, first off just to be talking about a Thomas systems at Microsoft as an area that we're making available for customers. Is it feels really good? And as David was saying being able to. Bring this to a new audience, and like it's not just democratizing technology. This is a net new group. It's not just software engineers that are going to be part of building these systems. It's mechanical engineers and chemical engineers, all the other engineering, disciplines also have a role to play alongside the software engineers, and the data scientists so bringing them the technologies they need to build these systems is very exciting and then just getting to show everyone what we've been up to. And so I think for the for the that's on a dig into this idea of machine, teaching yeah. And you've touched on a few times, it feels like there's something going on here that slightly different than like supervise learning that I think everybody's gonna generally understands. Like I've got left her. You know, well level data and it's maybe a bit of unsupervised. But it sounds like there's some reinforcement to it. So would you do me a favor just explain what you mean a bit more about machine teaching? Yeah. Absolutely. So, so we do use a fair bit of reinforcement learning. But, but there's a distinction, as I said, it's a complementary technology machine learning. It's doesn't replace machine. Learning the analogy. That I often use is teaching my son. I have a six year old son how to hit a ball. Okay. It doesn't matter a lick that, I know how the internal workings of my son's brain function in order for me to teach him to hit a ball, like I don't need to know the neuroscience, it's critical. You don't have it then. He's not gonna learn anything. Exactly. Right. That's the machine learning part. Okay. That's the equivalent of machine learning Parco. It does matter that I know that throwing fastballs at a six year old is a really bad. I just don't do that. It's. I don't know exactly what it's intuitive on, at, like as a human level. It's intuitive say, okay, of course, I you're gonna put a wiffle ball on T and then you're going to set the Tita pop the ball in the air. And then you'll throw underhand at close range and so on. That's teaching right? That's how you teach something. You need both. Both are important machine teaching is just a set of tools and technologies that allow you to codify what to teach and how to teach it so interesting. Lots of different things are so breaking things down into the core concepts that matter. So in the case of the, this analogy we just use, you know, the stance you need to have the grip you need to have on the bat. Like these are all core concepts that at some point you should be taught for sure. Right. And then you need to decompose it into lessons that start simpler and get more complex. Sometimes you might want to demonstrate something so let me show, you how to do it. All of these are just a quick examples of the kinds of abstractions, that you use machine teaching and. What we've done is turn those into a set of tools that engineers can use to take that again. That their domain expertise and say okay, well, here's, here's what to and how to teach it. That's a completely separate activity from how it's learned, and we can bring the two together, now in built some really powerful things. It seems like this progression can actually help accelerate how you train a model train it an AI whatever it is that one of the concepts of, oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So if you use reinforcement learning, and we, we talked about reinforcement, and I want to pick up this bottle of water. I have I have a robotic arm. And I wanna teach to pick up the bottle of water use reinforcement learning naively, and it's going to explorer, everything. That's what it's designed to do. So it'll be like flailing over here doing stuff. And if you use machine teaching you can say this part of state space is useless. That's the answer isn't there. Don't go explore that, like it's reasonably you wanna be within this regime, and it helps accelerate and guide things for exactly those reasons now, that's, that's a pretty. Simplistic example, but it's no different if you're doing that, or if you're working with complex NC mill or any, any sort of piece of technology. So how people doing this today like, so if you think about like before because made some of these platforms available. What are, how are people accomplishing this idea of segmenting, you know, this idea of building a complex I that's based on multiple kinda machine. Learning models that are having to work together together. Intelligent, how people are getting their today without this kind of capability acid this is this. Do you want to talk about the, the journey from from automated to communists? I mean you look out Indiana industrial systems, even systems physical systems in the past two hundred years, it all started, but minority operated. Try out steam thing actress city. Right. And then we move with software on having ultimate systems. Right by there were system as you say, those are sister that are very well plan on following fix instructions. And that, that is great for many scenarios saw eight allow the third in the. Terrible. Lucien is absolutely amazing by, then we're moving into the sisters that are, powered by the pendulum is swinging so much that we are going some cases to a place where for example, we are not able to do this, that imply things like term planning from or things that are reusing, your knowledge a person. So I said the vendor is very easy to a put your knowledge in the system because you are Manali Kolding, the whole process for that ultimated system, I said that assigned these studies, not that simple. So this, this thing, we're learning usually on experiments or data. So my teaching is way to bring the best of both wars. If you look at it from the wrangle. So on one side, you are able to transfer your knowledge to leverage, your knowledge to teach the machine about from the other side, it keeps all the wonders of they'll Dunham assistance because it has, for example. It is able to sense the environment and adapt to that environment to changing conditions. In that environment. It's able to plan Shiva steps ahead because you're able to teach those steps. Right. And is able on an I would say unintended benefit to is that because the process es thought on structure in concepts and listens. It is also explainable. It is transparent. It's very simple to Dan. Even Inga brations to understand why the machine is doing something because yes. Like the king issue throw the ball and not able to hit it. And you will be able to either explain to the gate or even the kid himself, he would be able to say, hey, you know what? This step is one that I, I didn't do it correctly. Right. Same thing can apply to two machines. Right. So you can be involved in the process the entire time. So it feels like this is like the first wreck really close partnership between machines and experts like we're intelligence meets in a meaningful way. How is that being used like today? Internally, like how, what are you guys using it for and Microsoft land right to actually power, the things that you're doing house, machine teaching changing the way you bring products to market? So Microsoft has a platform and technology provider. We're really focused on can we empower our customers to build. Creighton really amazing things using this kind of technology internally, we look at applications of that are similar to things. Our customers are doing actually so you can look at H fac as an example, Schneider Electric is a company. We work with on using these techniques and plying them to heating ventilating ventilation and air conditioning systems. They check this is a actually a deceiving Lee complex problem. It seems like okay what you have an air conditioner at Kohl's the room. What's the big deal, whatever human comfort matters? You're a super important. Of course. That's the primary reason you have it. But then you want to also consider energy consumption air quality. You don't want the carbon dioxide levels getting too high lifetime of the equipment, if you're cycling that compressor motor on and off, you're going to shoot out your, your HVAC equipment, and then you have to replace it so he didn't really help yourself. So, and you need to do all this in a super dynamic environment. So the weather's changing the occupancy of the room is changing the cost of electricity is changing all the stuff so being able to take subject matter expertise about how to deal with these things guide. The learning system, which is going to control this piece of equipment, and then using it is it is an example of, of how this gets deployed certainly Microsoft. Of course, we have we have our own buildings and data centers and whatnot. So this applies to Microsoft just as much as it applies to others, but buying for the large part, we're doing this through third parties. Right. So it's, it's about enabling folks, like Schneider Electric and others to build the system. Very cool. So how does this help us get closer because one of the areas of tech, that I think is important as in these complex systems transfer learning? I think is something really cool. Right. So if you build a model and it's good at one thing. How do we get at the transfer? Do you see this as an enabler to actually get in models to be more transferable? Yes. Absolutely. So one of the benefits of machine teaching is that you get the this explain ability level that David was wasn't talking about. So it's not magic. So let let's start there. It's not magic. Okay, if you have a neural network underneath the hood and just like today where you have an unroll network and you want to go to it and say, well, what is the neural network doing like that's hard? The people struggle to do that. And there's research that's working towards helping make that more transparent. But, but at the end of the day, it's kind of, it's kind of black box. What is what is it doing? Met machine. Teaching doesn't magically solve that problem for sure. But it puts a layer on top. That is explainable. So it's not that you can say the, the neural network is doing X, but what you can say is because I taught the system and I taught it these core concepts. I can now explain what's going on in the context of those concepts. So go back to the intuitive analogy. So my son is learning to hit a ball. He can come back, and I can say, well, you didn't work so well that time. What do you think went wrong? And you can say, oh, my grip didn't feel quite right or whatever. And I you know, my, my staff was off balance with my stance, or whatever it happens to be okay. He can explain it in those terms because I've taught him those concepts, and that is really empowering, not just for explain ability. It's empowering for building trust into the systems. It's it's impairing for being able to reuse the concept. So you talked about transfer learning machine teaching because you teach at those core concepts those. Become reasonable software blocks just like anything else. So I've, I've taught at a concept now I wanna go use that same concept somewhere else. I take the code I built for that. I moved into the other application, I can leverage that in other ways where their concepts are similar. So it gives you this higher level. To think about it as opposed to. The analogy I would draw here is people don't piece together transistors. Right. They, they have like very log in via sigh. And you put those pieces together you're not gonna you're not gonna like wire gates as a. Why would you do that? Same thing. It's the same thing this is just this is the set of obstructions that allow you to get that reuse. And explain ability and start to build trust, and audibility and all these things into the system. So one of the things you hit on, there is this idea of trust, and explain ability, how, how do you think we're going to approach a see that as one of our biggest like limiting factors or barriers that we have to overcome not only as a as technologist, but I think, as a society in order for organizations to truly adopt a in meaningful ways, we're going to have to have this level of trust, and excellent ability. How do you think we're going to get there? Like, is it? Is it more legislation? Is that more trust in the technology? Like, what do you think of the ways that we're gonna, we're gonna create this trusted belief that he is doing something good, and useful for us without being a black box yet. So I in that. The first thing that, that I would say here is that we know what it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be just one company deciding what is the responsible way of developing a right? So even us. So we don't believe that we should be the one saying how everybody should do does. That's the first day. So definitely connected to what you say, is broader conversation, not even on technology companies. And he's brother than that, not even across industries is brother than that is involving governments eczema, regulators, a communities absolute dot com recession. Now as we get their eighty is very important. And we were very clear from the very beginning as we were addressing we were started this yearning on a Microsoft. We went out there and we were very transparent that. Hey in that. Meanwhile, we these are our principles. So we come when he gets to the external our six principles without. I mean, we sues them from the very beginning, we go when he gave get, like, maybe two years on how three years ago where we say, hey, this hour of the six hundred. We're following interesting. Microsoft, and what you're seeing more and more on this, this event was good example of that, is that not only we follow those principles internally with governor processes inside, Microsoft, but we also want to help other companies to do the same so they can build the that can be trusted by their customers. So, for example, yes, just this week, we announce as part of our, Azure machine learning service were, including out of the books, tools that enables organizations to be responsible. He I in this case, transparent AI directly into their Emma lops process. Right, unlike that many others would yes. Release on AM business. Cool, where we have a whole model that is basically explaining companies that are now facing that challenge of, hey, I want to address a on a responsible winner. I want to make sure that I implemented, right? Processes to avoid virus to be trespassing to be accountable to be private. So all of that we are at the very least sharing our learnings as we. Have been going through this yearning so other customers can go through that to very cool. So how do people consume these these, these capabilities that you guys started talking about are they part of the cognitive services, kind of offering, sorta, how are these autonomous systems and machine teaching capabilities come into market Thrasher, or through, Microsoft? So we've been working with a select set of customers, I give you a few examples earlier what we were announcing build is a limited preview program, so people can go to just a website, aka dot MS slash AS for autonomous systems. That will take you to a landing page where you can learn a lot more about a Thomas systems start to dive into scenarios, and use cases and went, but there's also this limited preview program where you can describe the kinds of applications, you're thinking about building, and then we're going to be taking a set of customers through the same process that we've been going through with this with, with these private customers. We've been working with already on. So if people are interested, I invite them to go and visit and sign up and really for. We're about empowering people to do stuff. So we, we have to get their hands on the tools, and where we want to start actively working with more and more people to do so very well. That's one thing that's away from our time of the Bill has been this alignment. You talked about it early that she the team everybody we've talked to across Microsoft is about how do you bring the power of AI technologies that developed internal develop through acquisition, right? The experiences. How do we bring those to ever want to make an accessible? And I think that's awesome. Well, thank you. Both gentlemen, for joining us for the big that of your podcast. We've learned a lot from our guests, not big data. But now it's time to get a bit personal in a segment. We like to call rapid fire. All right. So David will start with you. What's the what's your latest book? You've read that you'd recommend to our listeners a loon shut amazing book, do not miss that book amazing. I love it. Isa avowed. How am big corporations like Microsoft you have to keep innovation running, and it provides a Mason, accessible or how to that one. How about you? I'd go with zero to one zero zero two one is covering the innovation step for a product where the market doesn't exist. And how, how that's different from going from once the market exists to scaling out scaling it up. It's really fascinating different way of thinking about it innovation. I love it. Is there a piece of technology that's currently making your life worse allow? I just love technology. Well mine is going to sound super super stupid, but I don't know how to share the bluetooth in my car with two different phones. Mike keep coming to the car, and he wants to play music. I've been like today, the worst out without. To seek like ten times. So what shows are you binging on right now? Are you binging on TV shows? Man, I have a six year old so it's like like master chef junior and things like that. Yeah. Exactly. Myself. Boy, I think the last one that I've been watching all say, it'd be on fury the last season. Yeah. That was fun. We'll gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on the bit of your podcast, and we look forward to hear more about autonomous systems at Microsoft and later releases when it becomes really broadly public, we'd love to have you back on chats. More. Thanks for listening to the big data beard podcast. The music from this episode is by Andrew bell. Check him out on itunes or Spotify and be sure to smash that thumbs up button so we can keep the episodes coming until next time. Keeping also.

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I don't even need him to talk. I don't need him to be involved in the show other than cut to his face when weird shit happens. It's so good like honestly. I don't know if i've heard him really talk until this episode i was like oh he can talk kuku same. Haven't seen anything from him to the point where like i didn't even know he and katie had ever spoken to each other go on his day and they're like we used to good connection when the date i happened i was like he's going home. I don't even know if they know each other. My thing about the date with expression guy. katie is. That's bad fucking luck. All of that seems like bad juju. If had presented that to me. I know i wanna do this. Explain the wedding like yeah. I don't think you can fake a wedding. You're not supposed to see your bride to be before the wedding day. It's effectively what you're doing is you're seeing her in a wedding dress like i. Just don't i don't like it. Well they kind of do this often though but my thing is like. I don't think they ever put a front runner guy in a situation like that. So if you're getting put in that situation you know she ain't that indio maybe so they always do like the photo shoot of you know and that's usually a group date actually like i remember. They did it on nick. Season and alexis wada's was like pregnant bride and so fucking funny so funny shock her. She was the best. But yeah like writing of the valves. For whatever reason i was just like i don't know i mean if i were the bachelorette i would just help users like. I don't wanna do this date. I wouldn't want to do a fake wedding with anyone. Even if it was somebody that i didn't have feelings for like i just i'm with you. I like you know wedding do that. Once i don't know i just don't even want to pretend to you. Know for sure. Yeah he does seem like a really good guy though caitlyn and tayshia come in and they start talking about the woohoo thing. The whoa whoa. Whoa whoa yeah. I just don't understand any of that. I don't understand why they aired it. I don't understand why anyone agreed to it. I don't under- like caitlin and deliver that message and then it really never came up again. Yeah first of all woah. Were who is an acronym for something that we can't understand because doubt and i wanna know so bad. Yeah and it's like guys you got to at least let us know what the fuck it is. You know like come on. Obviously it's for jacking off. It's feeding the pigeons. It's per badgering. The witness for in the pod is having some me time. It's jerk in it. Yeah they're talking about this and then caitlyn's like i'm going go deliver this message. The guys and tell them they can't fucking whack off. It's like what the fuck are we talking about right now first of all. Is this too hot to handle it. Are there steaks here if someone finds out that you were in the bathroom and jerking off to a fucking sears catalog. Are you gonna get kicked off the show. Are you not there for the right reasons if someone realizes that there's a little less shampoo then they're normally is are you going to be fucking not given arose. It was too ought to handle it was. Mtv was like for me. It was just like this is fucking stupid. It's a bit for bit sake. That didn't land. I think now i now. I can't even believe they aired it. Honestly don't get like. I think that this is coming across as me being prude. I love a good jerk off. Joke don't get me wrong. And i think the time of the season unlike this is way too late. You know like a done this early. I feel like we're kind of the serious portion of the show. Now yeah it was just one big. I don't know if you remember but seinfeld is to this day and forever will be my favorite show ever and so it was a big off. Never seen seinfeld. Yeah okay now. I don't know how i do a show with you just absolutely fucking so anyways. There's a famous. There's a famous episode called the contest. Or what people call. The master of my domain episode and so many quotes were ripped off a seinfeld for this episode of the bachelorette. That was like. I'm annoyed by this. But also i feel like the audience isn't going to remember this stuff getting with it anyways. That's my whole thing about it. It was just like the moment. You're just like what is going on. Here let's get back to the show. I don't know what am i being approved. No not at all. I mean the the the thing is like it just wasn't that funny. You know what i mean. I think they thought it was going to be this big funny thing but it just wasn't that funny and i don't know i just was so weird to me that they did that in beginning of the episode then i just kept waiting for it to come back around and neither katie to ask the guys about it or the guys start thirty two other under the bus because they broke it or like something and you use never heard about it again. I was so confused about why it was left in when they added the show together. Yeah and also like blake. Like i i. I can't go seventeen is looking. You're you're like whoa blake. Dude fuck cool like what are you doing. Just how callous star your hands. The only time it was was it got really really subtle and it was after blake goes and meets up with her. Whatever with muck say anything another thing it was another rip off from say anything and that was the only time it was funny. He alludes to it. He's like this is going to be a hard night But i'm looking for my happy ending. A and then they show a sprinkler head shooting out water which is supposed to be allegory for jisr. We got it well as general. I know i know. I don't know if everyone got that the water was supposed to be shooting a hot load. That was the only time. It was plenty where i was like. All right was subtle and i liked it. They have done that throughout the episode. I know the abil- is that was funny. Yeah i know. You don't like him. But i love him and i'm so sad for connor. I don't know i'm sorry. He's my least favorite dude. There don't understand any any reason why he was front runner at all. I i listen at the end of the day. I just do not like super sensitive guys and like super emotional guys and he was just way too emotional for me. Here's the thing that corner was me through the matter now. He got dumped on a one on one after a kiss. That was fucking me. Yeah but you can be adduced at times. Connors the frigging doormat. I feel that was the biggest backhanded compliment. You've ever given me ever. I feel so bad for him. He's such a week. I know he's gonna be he's gonna go to paradise probably be just fine. We'll see but i just wanna go on record saying i love connor. I thought he was. He was the right amount of fucking sensitive and dorky but then also cool because he's he's pretty good musician now not that good not that cool you mean. Connor was this guy. These two sweet sweet guys week is tend to not be deuce bags. I like greg because he is sweet but he's not a doormat feel do fuck in. Connor comes back in. Why did he gets to do that. This is fair. I was wondering that and then evros are crying. If you don't think that people love that guy then you are way they do. Let me kind kinda comes off as like your best friend. That's a really emotional. And everybody loves him. He ain't getting the girl in the end. Here's my thing though. I was thinking maybe they let him do that and gave him that airtime because he tries to come back or something. Maybe like maybe we haven't seen all of him and that's why he got that special airtime. I don't know that's a good call. Just the thought but also trae was crying like a little bitch. Greg was fucking crying. Like a little. Greg needed to reel it in a little bit with the tears. Yeah all i thought you. Don't watch sensitive guys. That guy was crying over another dude leaving the show. Michael aac history on the cheek. I'm like what is happening here. Well i don't know. He seemed just as sad to leave. The dude. says he'd katie's it's all these guys all so sensitive and so sweet. No-one's jerk and it and they're like megan people might not jerk it. They're not jerking. they're all having book club together. You know except lake. It's up for blake. Who can't fuck jerk off. Blake when you need them up the better nickname for blake. Beat it blake whack at blake. Now spank spanky spanky blake. That's better spanky. Blake okay so so fucking thirteen seconds. I i lose my mind. okay. I like blake. And he's like a sweet guy ma. Boy connor comes in was crying. Like oh my god. He's such a great guy. He's leaving and banke. Blake like this is my time. No one's gonna know. And i'm gonna go on over there and pull some john cusak shed tailored that. I've djorkaeff every twenty five minutes. But then they don't slip. I thought they were gonna sleep together. Jay and i was like all this. This is where all the drama comes from. Everyone's over there. Cry that conner left over there. Just slapping ass let have been intimate so good and then it would have never found out like when connor was crying. His eyes out to us. We're over there laying pipe and be like you're not here for the right reasons and then it would have been like well i haven't shirked off and fourteen minutes guys i had to go. Oh my god can. You produce the next season. Great the maybe. Oh god i just thought that was so funny but like going back the connor day. I got a one on one sweet. I can't wait to spend nothing but time with you and really get to know you. We're going to bring my two friends along with me. Because i don't wanna do this alone okay. Hey by the way we're gonna go make drinks over here. You go hang out with the guy and cook some meets okay. Why are they cooking so much meat. It was. I was wondering the same thing too much meat for four people. What's happening way. Don't now had the same thought. Yeah anyways but when when she does come in and she's wearing her vuk in comfy clothes and he's all fucking dressed the nines when he does say i know or this is going and it's okay and he wipes to your morale is like this guy's a sweetie oh come on getting getting dumped and he still was like okay. This has happened to me before. I'm used to this. Wipe the tear katya wanting to know i three weeks. And that's the only thing left. I have of the episode. That was surprising. Was i thought for sure. Conquer was going to stay and brendan. Did i thought for sure hunters going to stay more week. I could have seen the. I'm i was shocked. That brendan stayed because again. He's one that i haven't heard speak hardly and you haven't seen him talk katy at all. Syra calls him cockatoo. Because his hair tearing does i feel. I was surprised that she didn't keep trae and send brendon home. I feel like. I've seen her have more of a connection with trae but maybe not. I love trae so last week. You're like no way that she's going to choose blake. You're still i think team. Greg i m team greg it. I didn't say that she's not going to choose blake. I said what. I think's going to happen is i think i think she has the best connection with blake. But i think it's gonna come down to the end and she and it's going to get serious and i think she's going to tell blake like i love you. Whatever and i think he's gonna bit jumped ship. And i'm not ready for this. What sport you think. You're going to hometowns hometown. Which means staying in albuquerque. Honestly the way that she gave rose zell. I think is how it goes. I think i do. Blake greg andrew. Michael four i two. I didn't realize that that was the order that she gave out this week. And i think that's probably the hierarchy to be honest with you. Yeah i agree all right. Good stuff good times. You got some other things bro. Yeah do did you watch. Chris pratt movie on amazon. Yes i loved it. Yeah did you like it. You don't seem very excited. I liked it. It's called the tomorrow war. That one that i did really like it. I thought it was about thirty minutes too long. But i i watched all of that and i wasn't bored out early so i didn't fall asleep and i was like in for the ride of a movie. You know what i mean. And i feel like all those types of movies are all kind of long i was i was prepared. I guess longest. Okay so not not to spoil anything for anybody but specifically where i thought was too long is like you know they get the vile and then they go he goes back or whatever and then they're gonna thirty minutes of them into the arctic then i was like i don't need this fucking go nuke the arctic but that vial you know like too much again john. You wanna bring in j. k. Simmons like back into the fold of it. You probably pay for him. He had like i get it. I was just like the more time travel on her knocks. It was very telegraph. Like i knew we knew exactly who the girl well of course. It was predictable for sure. But i still really liked it and even though it was a bit predictable What i what. I wasn't really prepared for was when they do go to the arctic. And do you know take the vile or whatever. I wasn't prepared for it to be like that intensive like an. Oh fuck they're all waking up and there's so many and we're about to and it's all about like i don't know i i kind of expected them to just like go there and do the thing and they're gone and wu. We did it kind of thing. I wasn't ready. I wasn't prepared for like oh shit. We got a little battle going here. That made it worth the extra thirty for me. I guess for me is that i feel like they could cut. It ended it early and then set it up for a second one. It could've think they will do a second one though. Do you yeah. I don't know there's a part of me that was waiting for a credit roll one paw. They didn't kill and and those shit would have been smart. Probably but i did like it. Though chris pratt is he is an iniquity. He's the only guy who can look fat and also ripped the exact same time. Okay so my friend. Val it was your last week. That overheard the dad bog conversation. She was like this. Is what you like right chris. Pratt bod and look honestly. Even chris pratt take a little more than like. I like i need yes like like fit but also like kinda not you know. That's like that's my. That's my vibe. Whatever does before you. Yeah so you. Like you like parks and rec. Chris pratt body. I don't hate it. You like fluffy. I like chris pratt. Do you remember. I was talking about the show. Everwood i think it was called. Watch that with. Emily van camp back in the day and we call on that so chris pratt got his start it was. I think it was a c. Cw show but yeah. I will say that the tomorrow the tomorrow war is great. Go watch it. it's on. It's on prime. I think yeah prime. Those aliens are fucking terrifying. If those are real aliens. Look like i am out like we. We were laughing because when when he got drafted or whatever in this movie and they were like well. You either do it or you go to jail. I'd be like take me to jail. Sign me fuck up. Put me in a padded cell. I do not want to face those things. They didn't show them for that exact reason. I'd be terrified. Aliens just seemed like monsters. Yeah lions or something. Like just rabid dogs. And i'm sitting there being like. Oh really you figured out interventional space time. Oh yeah you built a face ship. That was able to traverse galaxies. No guys are just monsters. Unless there's like some dorky. One somewhere that we don't know about or this male one was a little impressive though. Yeah but still like all hell. Yeah yeah i get it but when it comes like real aliens if they exist. But i think they do. I think they wanted to focus. Could i think they're good. That's my take on it. yeah. I hope so. Great movie love to love chris. Pratt sarah has been on a true blood bender. 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Wife t. i don't know if you've caught up on loki. But like it's so good it's phenomenally good really and all like the little easter eggs and nuggets. That they're leaving around for like the super comic dorks is really cool and you know about him. It's like tick tock videos like did you see this part in this part in this partner like oh no. I didn't know that but anyway it is super great and speaking of the marvel cinematic universe worth the twenty nine dollars black widow so good Haven't seen it yet so good. Where did you watch it. It's on disney plus but it's it's thirty dollars. Oh i didn't know that but you can also in theaters which you can go to theaters. But i was just like. Let's just do this little trigger. Same as low key like locally died in the movies and so then how they figure out of keep loki. Alive is kind of go back in time. That's what they're doing with black widow. Scarlett johansson is great. But i will say this. Like and no offense scott hanson. Now chilton's podcast. But i feel like florence. Pugh just like act circles around her okay. She's so good. And then david harbour. He's like the cop in stranger things. He's their dad. And then ray. Trump rice is their mom. It's like this all star cast and do you remember when cap marla came out. And i went on this long roundabout why i don't think captain marvel is a good movie because it took away the one thing that marvin louise have really really good at. Which is comedy their comedy movies encased. In like this action adventure and so they they. They took my note. You know listened. They absorbed share dead and then they were like what. What can we do to make wells. Happy and be better than all right. Let's do black widow but like make sure we bring the comedy and i will say florence pew brings the freaking comedy. David harbour brings the comedy so hard and then raced obviously like this an amazing actress. So obviously scarlett johansson. Natasha romanov character is dead does die in the movies and then so this is going back in time. It's more like an origin story and now it looks like florence. Pews going to be able to take over. The black widow has like an adventure and stuff. And it's so good. Go to theater home. You'll love it can here for that. Well you know what. I haven't had time to start. Low key is because i have been on a bender of my own and i cruised through season three of virgin river so fast. I can't even take first of all dare. I say this season is the best season they've done of. This show was soga. They ended every episode on a so. I couldn't go to sleep and watched a couple more. The next day. I had to keep watching. It got to cruiser like two and a half days in the season finale. There's only ten episodes in like you guys. You gotta give us more and the way they left us hanging. There were eight things that happened in the last four minutes of the season. Finale and i need. I don't know what's going to happen. Haven't even greenland season for. I don't know what they can't do this to us. You know it's really funny. I went to dinner with my mom last night. And so we were talking about television shows that we love and she was like i love virtue. And i'll go eat so so good like a really is and i'm okay when i'm told my mom. That's when i'm sixty-five my goal is to live in a town like that. Like is so beautiful. And i think we said before but like it's set in humboldt county in california like northern california but we're all the aerials shoe or outside of in couvert canada so like humboldt county. Don't really look like this. You know what i'm saying. I don't know. I need to live in a town like this it. It's seems so it's nice and peaceful and slow and magical and the views irs amazing and every one of the town knows each other and help each other and loves each other and it is so cute. And i just love it. It's also like kind of edgy. And like people get shot and there's drug dealers and stuff and the drug dealer by the way smoke and hot and i just loved it. I loved how they left us unto me cliffhangers. I loved even though. I'm i'm so upset about the season finale. I kinda love it. But they'd better bang on net netflix's to come through with that confirmation that. We're getting a season for flynn. I'll still be watching this stupid fucking show when i'm sixty four in new rochelle four. That's where i want to retire and their bet. Better be if. I'm still single at sixty five there. Better be a hot bartender for me. And whatever town i ended up in. Yeah hey. I'm here for the bartender. All right get bet. You are just real quick so after. I don't know how how programming works. Over in nashville. These days. I assume it's the same after the bachelorette airs. This show called the celebrity dating game. It's terrible and i love zoe. Dacian out like that was like she was like my big celebrity crush back in the day And listen. I think it's key. It could be funny or whatever. Here's my thing. I'm legitimately concerned about michael. Bolton like i i have a theory and this is not a joke this straight up what i think. Watch the celebrity getting game and tell me that michael bolton is in a robot. Just try to try to tell that he's not a robot he looks like an animatronic disney robot and i'm concerned about him and then we all concerned about michael bolton and well being and like on the show through his own volition whereas you being forced to be there because i don't think he wants to be there all right. I don't think anyone really wants to be there. I'm just so confused. About buckled michael bolton on that show. And i'm just nervous and michael bolton if you are being held captive signal sign okay. That's it. I'm sorry but snell is a terrible host. No i think she's fine. She's she is the problem. Why not get host. Why it's not funny not very good. It's awkward the whole show is terrible. I think that's my two cents. And i watched it with my mom and she was like the original that aired when i was young was just so much better. Oz listening to shepherd podcasts. And he was doing interview with jacob. Dylan jacob dylan's said something that like is money favorite thing he was like there is no intoxicant like nostalgia. And it's so true and it's true and that's what your mom was just doing right there But anyways michael bolton. I think it's a cry for help. And i'm nervous about him and also so if you're listening to this which i'm sure you are. I love you still so brandy ball. Also zoe brand new has a lot of bad take so don't worry about it Yeah so. I saw this on instagram their day and and someone was asking like wear. And so you might not relate to this because you don't drink beer but the question was asked. Where is the best beer you can have. There's places where you're dislike. This beer is amazing. A corona on the beach. Or something you know like some things. And i have an answer for it. Okay or you're gonna maybe alcohol drink so you can play along too but like this one specifically beard after you land in mexico outside at the airport bar beer you. Do you know what i'm talking about. 'cause you're waiting to figure out where your car is or whatever and you go with like your body or whoever you with and you get that beer. That first beer. And you're like this is. We're starting going baby. Here we go. There is no beer better than that beer. I think i would have a margarita. Okay something so yeah. So where is your like the best place to have a drink I feel like my answers. Pretty lame. but i had a glass of wine in switzerland at the very top of I think they call it. I mountain where everyone goes in the winter when skis. But in the summer it's like summer activities like mountain biking and zip lining and all that kind of stuff and Brazen i took the. What do they call it their the for for vernacular all the way to the top and a glass of wine and the view just view the atmosphere and just all like best place. I've ever had a glass of wine. Well let's ask the ears out there with a pull on instagram. What they're any alcohol but like the beer wants very specific. 'cause you kinda hold onto that like. Where is that. Like the original thing i saw on instagram was like you know the beer after you mow the lawn. Which is a good one if you've ever had to do that. You know or that airport beer. Oh god and you don't don't really understand how much money's worth over mexico and you're just like yeah. Whatever it seven thousand pesos. That seemed like oh. I do have some exciting announcements to make you just announcement to make Okay young boy. This guy is gonna be playing in the twenty twenty one w g c fedex. Saint jude invitational in memphis tennessee on august. Third kit is one. Is that what you say. I'm playing golf tournament. in memphis with professionals and then other our bodies yeah so i'm trying to hone in the game but if you're coming to come out there like i don't know this is so nishioka in memphis and you are fan. I'm going to be playing. It was very excited about it. Also going to be having a cut a big old check. Saint jews which i think is a good thing mary but yeah. They're excited about that. So drive-by to nashville after awhile bra. Are you serious. That's not that's three hours. That's far house. No but i am back to nash in november but anyways You boys playing with some pros. I think it'd be televised. Not really sure. I gotta find out more information about it. I'm hoping play really well and get on some gown. Espn highlights obviously go. Yeah and then. It'd be cool and she's going to the beginning in my golf career guys so this is the second chapter of my life which is exciting. God it it by the way patriotic information this one. This one was was pretty great The kids were throwing shade left and right this week. And there's only one mature way to settle it. You have to vote who looked better brandy on the fourth orwell's in the bachelorette and i got us say came in bursts that's because all of our listeners. Are girls think you're hot. No no no. Because girls girls respect fash fashion. Not really you can justify it anyway. You want but i'll i knows the people have spoken cash and we also have some serious news to talk about in terms of patriae on. Do listen it's been so much fun to do patriots stuff. The truth of the matter is is that we're both getting really really busy brandy. Especially she's just like. Oh yeah blame me. He's always jetting around and like crazy pants suits and no matter is. We're both really busy and it's getting really hard for us to figure out times that we can do. These lives and stuff. It's getting to a point now. Where i i feel like. We're not doing a good enough job for you guys. That's not fair to be asking you guys to spend your hard earned money on something like we keep postponing because of scheduling conflicts and stuff. And that's just not right guys. So i think that what we're going to decide to do is kind of shut down the patron but we are going to have one last zoom hang out on july twenty third five. Pm pacific eight pm eastern. So yeah and. I don't know like the zooms i. The zooms are more fun because we can see you guys too So i think it'll be a good way to go out. And his right like we. Just don't wanna we don't want to deliver anything that's not like we don't feel as great dumb goddess diamond status baby poor sad sad sad about this but also really pumped for the zoom hang out. So here's the deal though about the zoom because zoom. We have to know exactly how many people are coming. So if you want to be part of the zoom you have to rsvp by july twenty first. That's one week from today. 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AI for Accessibility at Microsoft

Big Data Beard

30:05 min | 2 years ago

AI for Accessibility at Microsoft

"Welcome to the big did a beer a built in two thousand nineteen hi everybody this is for him it and what the big did abuse team in we are at build conference in seattle washington and we're excited today they have another one of these conversations around how we use technology to make the world a better place and were joined by mary billard senior accessibility architect for microsoft very how you doing today i'm doing awesome thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me absolutely research tells a little bit about what you do for criminals i run are innovation efforts around accessibility and so on accessibility for for many people who may not know is about giving people with disabilities equal access information through technology so whether it's a mobile phone or laptop or some kind of wearable people are accessing information end going through scenarios and experiences related to productivity in entertainment and people disability is a want and deserve access to those same things and so accessibility is all about finding ways to make all kinds of technology more useful and more inclusive for everyone and so within the innovation space we are working on a variety of different things and many of them may i powered 'em the project that i'm probably the most a most involved with his are seeing a mobile app to a friend of mine in loving community which i do more of those kinds of things so lots of research projects an also products they're out in the marketing people king very cool so give us a little bit of background because i think people underestimate how many folks have disabilities and their wives and they have needs around accessibility talking how big of a deal this is in terms of how many people were affected by these and how much the success ability broddrick covenant bird dean number of people without a diagnosis disability in the world is over billion so that's a huge demographic of people but then you add on top of that you know if you unpack this scenario of disability experience it's this idea that different kind of input in different kinds of output are useful for someone so maybe i have a broken arm an enemy using speech by input for something or maybe i'm carrying groceries and both of my hands and i can't use my hands to interact with my phone and would rely on my voice doesn't input so in those types of situational limitations the benefit of accessible technology extends to be on the billion plus and everyone who's using any kind of technology schools windows microsoft store to invest in this this disability initiative acceptability has been around for a very very long time microsoft not only company that is doing it lots of tech companies are a are innovating in this space on the microsoft journey has been a particularly important to me a why moved across the country originally from brooklyn new york of working inaccessibility for over eleven years and five years have been on the west coast with microsoft end we have had a variety of different 'em features within are windows in her office products they continue to get better year over year end about four five years ago we really changed the way that we were investing in the way that we were scaling accessibility expertise across the company and that was all led by saw tina delis investment in inclusive design and also the leadership of generally flurry who's the chief disability officer microsoft so what is your passion for which just abilities over visits crews spent some time but what kind of fuels you're fire the fire in the belly to work on this excess ability projects i am a natural problemsolver i am a i'm very into taking something that should be different and working to make it better 'em but also i genuinely feel and know that accessibility is the coolest kind of technology topic to be working on it is you know something that offers real value to and individual but then you also changed the way what i would call mainstream mainstream technology is also change and we see that a lot with a you know seeing has impacted or computer vision capabilities 'em and so this this power for the customer that then gets extended back into the platform is just really exciting that's cool so talk to me about this there's this macro project or i guess initiative within microsoft called hey i forget which is it's more than just accessibility it's kind of a larger project talked to us about what microsoft's hey i forget initiatives aldo happy to so like i mentioned you know we we have all of these efforts around her own product portfolio were into his office azure power be i all those great things end we have learned over the years that there there is a lot of people outside the company who want to use are platforms to to change and improve their own products on into earth was the first ad for good program end it was focused around a climate change and biodiversity in lots of earth related topics end we kind of took their model and wondered if it would work for the disability in the accessibility innovator community and so we under the ad for good umbrella we have announced are accessibility program we just celebrated our one year anniversary rosalie there was cake of of yes anes a we we have twenty five million dollars over the next five years on to empower anyone a whether you work at a company or you're an individual or you're researcher to find value in are ad platform for your own research or you're own product and so we have a three categories as the program exists today on employment at the unemployment rate for people with disabilities is more than double that of people without disabilities and we have a we have a positive impact in that a daily life so being able to deliver technology solutions that offer practical value to and individuals so jumping back the singing i you know going to a restaurant for someone who's blinder low vision renting a menu may be problematic in a tool like seaney i can help reed that menu a in in whatever way the individual once and then a communication and connection is underpinning so much of the topic of access to the technology in experiences and opportunities is related how we communicate being able to voice their concerns and being able to consume other people's voices in that that's that's a big a big factor in in one of our most recent ones a inner voice is working on that communication connection angle very cool so why is artificial intelligence it seems like it's it's the basis for so much of this this conversation and we talk a lot about machine learning big data but why is why do you so important in accessibility building materials so mentioned earlier this situation limitation piece on the idea that 'em at the fundamental level accessibility is about giving people however they choose input output access to that information information in high offers very unique ways of collecting information end conveying that information to the end user so being able to take speech and and and put it into text a being able to take tax and put it in speech 'em being able to understand objects in a photo all of these things are different ways that information is collected process and also really creative ways that we can give that useful information back caster very cool so you've talked about cnn a couple of times yeah that's that's interesting project and had a chance to see sucky forgive a demo withdrawn a couple of weeks ago at spark and i awesome it but not everybody's seen it so explain that one to one more detail 'cause that's so one of the the the banner projects which he goes up and it blew my mind when i saw so hopefully all these sort of saying like what is you know how they consume them totally i'll start west where it all began so 'em back in twenty fifteen we had a hacker thon that's a cross company initiative so all of our employees are asked stopped doing her day job and and go do something else until there's something else that myself and about twenty nine other people across the company went and did was singing in it is eight mobile app on i o s available for free end it is demonstrating the capabilities of are computer vision with an azure we do that through nine different we call channels you could also call them features and so they're divided up by the type of processing that they're gonna do so if a person has a paper currency and they wanna know which is a twenty dollar bill in which is the one dollar bill they would go into the currency channel take a photo of that bill and then understand the be told the the denomination if you are in a restaurant and you're trying to avoid that menu 'em you could go into whether the document channel or the short text channel an it will digitize the previously inaccessible physical text on the documents 'em in these types of things are very a very practical for the customers but also are great demonstration of the state of computer vision today end we have do we have all these channels that are would we call production ready and then we have some more experimental ones or do still not sure if it's only gonna be right but and so handwriting is one of those in the handwriting channel 'em a person could take a picture of any kind of handwritten tax end 'em digitally against analyze and they can you know decipher what that what that message was and we release that 'em around christmas time and so people in the blind and vision community unity breeding christmas cards for the first time or the first time since they had lost their vision and so it's a it's a really cool thing soldier 'em it's a it it was released publicly in twenty seventeen we continue to update it and it's it's a really great demonstration of computer vision it was built west end by the blind innovation community which is so fundamental to why it has the success at at has 'em in where were excited where it's gonna go so you got his almost more stores people using cnn i yes because i saw it means the keepers one of the the folks i gave a great demonstration of walking up and it actually identified real harmless ten feet away what is the mother you're favorite stories from people using this to change their was well li i mentioned the short catch channel and so so if you have a if you have a full document like a menu there they document channel that kinda helps guides the user to detect the edges of the page take a good photo and so that's really great for a lot of scenarios but first scenarios where you just want to 'em get real a real time on device processing and we had the short text channel end what a will be learned from social media is that we had customers who were watching a foreign films with subtitles an they were mounting their phone up pointing it at the screen and everytime the subtitles changed it would allow what the what the subtitles where i know for sure which is not at all how we designed in or ever thought that someone would use it but that people are finding value in it yeah that's very cool so you you talked about the the the the cnn i think is a good a statement around the state of computer vision today so what is the state of computer vision that 'cause i know there's a ton of research the number of you know scientific research papers being published in the series are studying the volume of them what what's your view on the state of the state of computer vision today i think it has a great has made great progress in detecting objects and we we are beginning to see value in the personalization of computer vision so what's available on cnn today is i take a picture of a person and get some information about a you know a guess on their gender their age their facial features excetera would likely say that you have appeared on the bruins yes i am but we can also 'em on device speaking store photos of a an individual who's like my friend right and so i would know the discord at this at this this is brett 'em and so that that personalization is beginning were also really curious about a we being society not necessarily just microsoft 'em being able to detect personal objects so how can i find my car keys in a space compared to just any car keys an m we need more data for that so the state of computer vision is very a useful in lots of trump to grow especially in the personalization space did you see v a the team premed income finder and what they were doing around object detection with the camera and the phone those really cool yeah the imagine cup hasn't been hey fantastic pipelines to be watching over the last several years i mean there have been tons of accessibility related projects and it's incredible the eighteen years older yeah it's it's incredible mind blowing in you know what what underlies some of that is accessibility has not really been discussed 'em at be a whipping intention that it deserves 'em at you know undergraduate and even high school levels 'em up until about two three years ago when we saw really big rush with that because we have you know we hire fantastic talent into are companies 'em in their in their computer science classes they may not have learned about how to make that user interface accessible how to make that website accessible civil 'em in were seeing that shift a which is really a great thing that that were able to contribute to making 'cause building accessible technology we know is fun an it's great when we see young people taking on a missed opportunity because that it makes the future for technology even once the right thing to do right i mean it's the right thing to do to be inclusive so did teach literally i think is really one of the things we always talked about cnn i but i forget has a bunch of other cool projects you mentioned one this interview is adding and this one i wanna i wanna dig into a little bit because i saw video and these kiddos oh just like it was all i could do like not just like you're thinking about how cool this is tells about what invoices and what how that came about in have a good group right so again where a eric's disability has been around for a year 'em are application windows open at anytime in just about every quarter we announced the the grantee is that have been selected in that round and so one of are are recent rounds has been a company called i therapy that works on 'em a speech in communication assistance for people who maybe have autism maybe they have had a stroke on end they they are helping in individual practice their communication skills their emotion a you know understanding of others 'em in just they're they're the the communication occasion a value that they have 'em with z with an app 'em that is available a twoday end they had this great product a had success in a variety of schools end they were looking at azure end wondering if that could bring their product to the next level and so they applied for the grant well we we awarded that in what they're doing now is making their a digital avatars they have in their app powered by are facial recognition technology 'em end there's also they're working on any eight chat bot 'em to help an individual on in in the videos children a practice practice 'em interacting with the avatar because this idea of mimicking others emotions is very fundamental to 'em to progressing her own understanding of emotion in your own ability to express that emotion virtual so tell me a little bit about any other cool projects inside of your purchase building bitter available like now that you're working on yeah we have another grantee as that robotics who has a product called readable stories and that's around i'm reading comprehension and literacy end they also have have a very intentional intersection west up people from low income neighborhoods end they have a they have used azure and are asking are machine learning to influence the accuracy in the capabilities of that reading comprehension tool that is also available today brutal so doing well yeah yeah sulfur positive out of the gym shifted over some of the trends that are so what announcements of build regarding sensibility are you most excited about i think the speech 'em capabilities within azure here are always going to have a lot of weight in in accessibility space 'em you know we have a we have had any number of partnerships with the death and hard of hearing community over the years end 'em being able to a make captioning automatic speech recognition for captioning 'em real is a something we're very proud of we have a relationship with the rochester institute of technology in upstate new york where they have on a large population of students who are desperate hard of hearing end there 'em in house captioning a service 'em you know which is real people titan captions 'em was not able the scale to their to match their student population and so they asked microsoft what kind of technology we had an what we worked on together was using are microsoft translator app which is also available for free made offers a speech the tax it also offers language translation anes many classrooms at all right tier using this end you know the kids who are desperate finding value because they're getting access information from their instructors but also the kids who were not dafur also benefiting from a maybe it helps them stay focused maybe it helps you know taking just a variety of minutes extra saw it in action during one of the presentations this week where it's literally above the slides you're getting the transcript and for me i'm one of those folks at i when i retract comprehend far better than when i hear and i while i am deaf in one ear but like it's like this is incredible like this is an incredible thing for not just people have like a diagnosis you said accessibility challenge it's the holy cow just made meet me where i am but i don't classifies maybe a disability just like this is how i work i love seeing those so i'm sure microsoft seems to put a lot of focus on creating avenues for creativity in space you talked about hacking fondue talk about these grand cheese like how how does it all comes together is that there's like a there's just the you so so the the company is something the top down what where does the room for creativity come from wearing courage to take risks not this definitely ain a commentary on the culture that we have a within microsoft globally end i think we other these other aspect within the accessibility space is understanding in partnering with us thee then gio community around world and so yes of course we we hire people with disabilities into microsoft but there's also a lot of disability a related nonprofits around the world and it's important for us to have those relationships understand what did they want with technology what they spectrum technology 'em and so that's that's a big factor a in in keeping it real rate in not were not just creating tech protect sake were creating technology that people want in that that deliver very valuable solution to then that's very cool so you know these creative places we've got opportunities to do this there's gotta be like new cool project you're thinking about so what are the things that you're most excited about in in context sorts of excess ability one of the cool projects you're working on the conspicuous but yeah but just things you're generally looking to to move i think because you can't have any conversation about without talking about data i would say that data is very very hot topic for are year two of the grant program 'em and that's across africa and it's not just re accessibility but within accessibility there is not enough data from people with disabilities in these data sets a you know jumping back to the seaney i example for a moment 'em eight person who is blind is gonna take eight different a framed photo of an object any person who is cited and so how how do are are models understand that 'em end for people with impacted speech 'em how does speech recognition work for them so again with all righty we we have eighty a relationship around captioning on but we also have a relationship with them around a building custom speech models through azure customs speech in a one of the professors is also death at r i t end a he demo that bill last year 'em onstage with his his death voice or just accents 'em in the speech recognition system was able to pick it up really end so awesome but that's the only possible because of the data that was used a train that model and so we we definitely have a great opportunity for talking less thee disability community 'em in helping them need us to the solutions that they want locked in a helping us with the data collection kit kat mabel yeah there's possibility it's it's a gym when you talk about the i i see this massive intersection between hey i can power accessibility but then there's this other side of it which is data in the way that we build models it's really hard not to like immediately identify outlier things like things that are just say so we we had an ethics doc yesterday and it's like it's really hard not to teach him neural network that like this is and obvious problem so how how do you marry those two challenges of you're trying to collect data that is about specific community but you're equally trying to protect and like honor that communities privacy and how do we had his microsoft a person how the other organizations stroz think about the ongoing conversation the privacy comes up in all aspects of hey i i think could be the biggest thing that we can do is be transparent about what we're trying to do 'em in you know if i think about a sign language recognition 'em with the deaf and hard of hearing community being able to collect a large corpus of video data of people signing 'em we want we want people from the deaf community to contribute to that and so we have to be a very transparent about how we're gonna collect it howard and store it an luckily as you're has great things to offer in that space but also be transparent with the community about what we intend to do with the fact that a you know we we could make sign language eight translate double language in the way that spoken languages are is exciting from a technology perspective but is is it something that the deaf community wants and so it has to be an ongoing conversation as technology gets more a more accurate than the conversation can change and and hopefully results in something that makes makes lots of people happy so it's it is really interesting because this is that world and i wanna living where technology becomes the great equalizer so how how do people that wanna learn more about 'em purchase ability in there i forget initiatives where do they to learn more and how do they do involved we have a great website microsoft dot com slash free accessibility that tells more details around the grand sitter available in the guarantees that have been awarded already 'em in some information around how azure can can be involved with a accessible technology development in are are are grant application is at eight at mfs slash grant a made it super simple and so did anyone could apply 'em anywhere in the world through a if you have any product today that you want to explore whether or not i can help we can weaken support that if you are and then gio that wants to work with some developers we can help with that too so we definitely definitely wanna hear from the community to find out what a what this this robust a developer community can can bring here over to what it's been fun to hang out with marianne at microsoft bill conference it's incredible see a company and then i'll say is doing the right thing to make technology again that great equalizer to make the lies of everyone on the planet better so thank you for the conversation it's been super fun we've learned a lot from i guess not data but now it's time to get a fifth person in a segment we call rapid fire so what is the latest great books you read that you would recommend to our listeners i have not read many books looks in a quite some time i've been reading a lot of research papers a the book i am about tribute is chelsea handler is life will be the death of me she's coming in seattle is part of her book tour and so i am looking forward to meeting that okay and then research paper you would recommend to our listeners yeah 'em a city all all 'cause rasi a who is a researcher at all righty 'em wrote a great paper a with his adviser met him enforce 'em around sign language modeling and so the idea of a person is signing in there is a there's an idea of assigning space and the fact that while i'm telling a visual story i can place items in that space 'em and so for for the sign language a week's in the world that's a paper i'd highly recommend mentors and that's awesome so we are conference so if you were speaking of the conference or if you had a song to play when you go on stage what would it be ooh 'em probably a panic at the disco run for a high hopes i hope i don't like it all right so what piece of technology is currently making your life worse a my cracked screen on my phone will know joined the lowly really sad have you gotten any of the the the splinters in the finger yeah oh yeah it's it's been a real struggle equally one of my favorite commercials with a couple of years ago rose like the broken film and the guy was like yeah all the bandits standards of john haters bill hitters pretty great my correcting bigger and bigger spreading across the screen right i mentioned we have replaced a all right so what is your biggest personal money pit right now 'em soul cycle oh good choice good when it's not about my favorite way of working out but bucks off and on through person but it's fun yeah you just got me into it last weekend a it's it's awesome but it's also turtle money on their music is louder and there's more tech down when soul cycle so if you like that what'd you like about this room and it would be fun all right so what show are you been genuine right now shits creek really okay where my goodness which ones on net flex its without dan leaving in eugene needy jim dear see the movie best in show okay so so eugenie reason and so it's him in his son who have written this this series and it's hilarious about louis louis yeah all right and then lastly where's and that's interesting place you're going i'm going home new york at some point in in june to see my family there you go good free room area there's been superfund a heavy on the big did every podcast and i wish you be absolute best and walk in doing that delivering they offer excess ability with microsoft thank you so much thanks for listening to the big beard punching the music from this episode is by andrew bell check him out on i tunes or spotify is not that not that coming next me a

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Carmax: The way data-science-powered car buying should be!

Big Data Beard

21:08 min | 2 years ago

Carmax: The way data-science-powered car buying should be!

"You are listening to the big data beard. Todd dooby from carmax. Thanks for joining me here at the spark. I summit. Awesome. So we are we're actually recording in the studio are in the, the meeting rooms at the conference on the expo floor. So you that's why you hear the noise in the background Bork's ended the talk with Utah about carmax and what you're doing with machine learning because, as I could tell it sounds like carmax is really embarked on a new journey. So why don't you start us out by telling us a little bit about carmax for those of us are folks who don't know how big an awesome? It's awesome. I love talking about tarmacs where the number one used car dealer in the United States, just this year where we went over eighteen billion in revenue. Wow. So we have two hundred one stores or adding storage down, or about a month or so where the number three wholesaler in the country, which most people don't realize. Oh, so that's the ones that maybe you don't buy we buy every car. We don't put out on front of our stores, wholesale. It's a lot of our bigger stores. Wow. We do wholesalers for the number three wholesale. We work with the bear Jackson's the Mannheim's, and all those guys do all that wholesale clearings. We're one of their Goto, and we do auctions at some of our a lot of our stories threats country. Very cool. So tell me about how. How a used car dealer because if I think of traditional businesses right used car sales. My, my grandfather was a thirty five year car salesman. But I'm curious, that's not the first place. I think like machine learning taking hold at tell me, why carmax we we use machine Dane size. We've traditionally for quite a few years to traditionally, it's been and how we determine price for our vehicles. How we may off your price, how we will price retail wholesale car that we've done that as data science for many, many years, very on now. And now as we kind of Mark on his Omni channel focus where we want to allow you to buy your car. Everyone of my if you want to buy it on your mobile app, on the web, you wanna do some texting e-mailing, but then maybe go into the store or you want to have it delivered to where you're at you could buy a car today at carmax, we would deliver it to you today at the conference, really Veyron the challenge rolling out slowly throughout the country, and that's what we're really trying to obtain. But, you know with that we have to ply, a lot better knowledge, and how we're having you look at cars explore vehicles, because we want the end of we want you to buy the right. But to. Our having our customer service folks, we're opening up call centers, and how we're going to have them embark and help you find the right car for you with it. So we have to look at data science machine learning. It's interesting because I think if we think Carson car dealerships. We think of the car salesman on the floor. You don't think about the people in the customer service, as you've changed that channel in the way that people consume it, it's a totally different buying experience that market that seems like it's being disrupted all over the place. But it sounds like you guys are leading with it. Tell me about what you're, you're current journey. Some of the things you're talking about here at the summit, what you're doing some of the big things like I'm actually speaking later today. I it was about changing our data. Scientists could do their jobs. Their biggest complaint was availability of the data. We had to go into our traditional data warehouse. That was twenty four hours old. Some of the data we wouldn't receive until prior to that. So it could be up to a day day and a half old as well as they're using their laptops. They did not have the compute or give them compute to do larger scale analytical needs. So they built things on the side would go take data data warehouse gone. Evidence issue and try and do stuff to try and trim it down. You know, get the data to fit on their laptops. They could do something that would help us figure out how can we better drive traffic or clicks or better do emailing or propensity kind of emails? Hey, you're, you're pass Byer. Haven't seen a couple of years in trying to look at all that data because it matters more look at that and we know it matters, and we have really good analytical leadership. That's really kind of push technology in the group I'm in to figure out how do we do this? How do we do this better? So one of the things we started last summer was, how do we solve the data scientists and give them the availability of the data let them do what they need to do? But then also an architecture framework to deploy these models to create serviceability you know, so that we can use those models. It's funny. You talked about the how so many data scientists, and we heard it today in the keynote, where they talked about, you know, don't worry this will also wrote on your laptop because it feels like that's data science starts. Right. But as as an architect for a company like that's, that's something that can't be except as you said, for number reasons, you said governance, but what are the other? Edge data security, you've got people in a laptop take it home lose that data, I think it's also just, you know, I know how much data's needed to come up with a model and it's just not physically possible on a laptop this. Some have very powerful PC's things under Neath desk. They would use chip today to move the data around. But, you know, hey I've been working on this model for three weeks. But oh oh the data's changed the pastor weeks. How do you give them the right information? It's completely available. So they can start working on those malls in iterating on those models service experience. Yeah. So when you look at the architectural kind of process to move data science team from I'm doing a little bit of this, you know, this data warehouse polls from time to time and a little bit of stuff on my laptop, maybe a little bit in my data center, maybe not, what are the key technologies that have helped you move to that, as a service approach, that's given you that ability responded, data scientists, I think not only was the technology, but it kind of picking a use case it's of I think that's the that's the day to day mantra, gotta think about don't try and swale that elephant. As you can't, you will fail. Absolutely. And we haven't done anything prior. And so we got agreement with technology and our marketing analytics data science team to pick a use case. So we wanted to reply form recommendations that were, you know, done today on carmax dot com. Re platform those, those were updated, handwritten code a model data scientists came up with he change. It would take two to three weeks to get it into one of our weekly sprints or to expense to incorporate that and make a change. But you know that data and how we're looking at recommendations. Just like Amazon for shows cars are coming and going you're looking at different cars. You're looking at this car because of this reason that's going to change prices gonna change availability of vehicle is going to change its you. How do we better address that? So we kind of we picked up model and we went through, and of try to figure out what tools can help us deliver this we're an Azure customer. So we had to figure out who can help us on it. We looked at software as a service platform service. It even subscription model software companies on what they could offer to better bridge, the gap or prime. Merrily everything we did data science was python little bit of our primary python always done in Jupiter notebooks or spider notebooks have Anaconda laptops. And so, you know how we transition them in move that I think is brilliant. You said you start with a use case because, as you said, so many organizations. They build tech for tech without actually having these case of mind, which I thought was one of the things are from the Keno. That's why or exist didn't get delivered the value. Yeah. So you guys you listen to that. But you did it ahead of time. And I think, you know, our leadership was very, very smart. They were frayed of a day late, because at so many that come from the outside our CIO's brilliant job, bringing outside people in to help us you infuse where Connex technology is where the want to drive our business, and it's, it's, it's been key. Did start a daily which is interesting. Why didn't we do it? But now we've done it we've done it because of this use case in, we're proving a lot of things you could just see the doors. Those gates are opening up more and more for the potential lot. More of the things that people want to do, we got some, some folks in our finance to replant forming applications, like why we why would we put that energy to our house went Atlanta's and the lake? And then figure out the use case for how they want to report on just kind of gets everyone Chinese shaking. It's you can't get everyone swell swallow that John elephant. But if you got out there and hey, I'm spoon feeding us and things look. And we're getting some wins keeping was getting some wins that is. So I've said that over and over. Like people realize that success begets success. And while data science is very much in our deep like practice there has to be treated like research, because you don't always know what you're gonna find out, but that ability to rate, find value allows you to then find the next value, and it's the coin thing, build it. They will come. Build it show us case proved a leadership and other folks look at works in what's not just that, but we had to prove out an infrastructure in at create infrastructure and architecture around. How do we tell them that those models and allow them to call the services that was a big trick for us as well? We're they're not proven quite yet. We'll get there. But, you know, kind of do those small incremental winds. And if we can show a win the next month or two aunts. A real time stuff. It's fantastic. That's awesome. So everybody on the on the show won't be able to probably they're not going to be here. Maybe they'll be able to livestream. I'm hoping they'll record your session. But if like a spoiler alert this is happening away. I've position are there like two or three things that are like the key takeaways, from your session later today that you're gonna share that, that are like your experience, that you would want people to know. Yeah, I think that journey that use case, I think, as well as we had to pivot. What yes we data scientists and they're just very, very smart, analytical people. But we headed a fine data scientists, and we kind of charmed us up as that data sites. Type a and type b type as an analytical, the understand the business domain ackman of the business and understand how to look at that stuff and do analytical things data, scientists type b which is my data engineer. So I need a date, engineer, I just want to date, engineer. That's all I wanna do as well. I want a data engineer. It's like I wanna move data, but I wanna understand why you data. Scientists type is doing that. Why is your model doing this? What is the use case around your for you, bringing in these two new data sets, what is it so that the more analytical and help them do it, better and smarter. And I think it's been a key thing for us. We've grown the team's very small. Now we have several job openings were hiring in Richmond, Virginia, which is great date, engineer's manager manager for the guys. But we apart with a great consultant partner, consulting Richmond. They've been very, very great and helping us kind of define that process as well. I think the other key points, find a consulting partner that can help you trying to do it yourself while it may be good. And you may have enough people to do that. I don't think everyone has Julian people to do that. Yeah, it's kind of kind of keep message. I firmly agree with those. Like I've seen it in a lot of conversations consulting partners are unsung hero and so many of these projects, because they bring that outside experience. They bring the ability to challenge, and frankly, they augment your skills hard to hire. So maybe you have to pay from. That's all. So just to look at the the world. There's a lot of things going on at sparking a is summit. There's a lot of conferences around the world, but I'm curious from your seat as an architect for fortune five hundred hundred fortune one hundred company. You've got to be like trying to stay right ahead of the curve of tech of what's going to be important to you. So I mean, what are the technologies are areas of innovation that you think are going to be the most interesting in the next, this whole spark sparks, a service, kind of corny way to quit? But I think the stuff that companies like data bricks and, and their support for spark in the stuff. They're doing with spark creates. Why it using patchy spark on data lake looked at you need comput-. Yeah. They're doing a great job. And I think some of the features they announced today at the keynote fantastic. We are data. Delta customer, where an early adopter? That data bricks delta, delta data lake whatever calling it delta, like, yeah, fantastic. Really? Fantastic. We we're doing a lot of our ingestion now through Atra, data factory, and calling notebooks data. Rex but really, hey as a purist, we can really use this, and really help, you know, enhance or get the data that's in the daily accurate and very available. And I think that's a really key driver that stuff. I think there's that I think, you know, people have to really listen to this is all this data science machine learning. It's all kind of good stuff, but you really gotta ground your stuff and understand what all the stuff means. And I think there's a lot of hype this hype cycle that hype cycle, I think is kind of going away. You're seeing just about, but now everyone's in the marketplace, every companies out there doing something about machine learning and AI data science. There's a million of them, so you gotta really Fisher way through all that stuff. And I'm hoping that kind of curve of confusing in a million people Maryland players in the game. Yeah, it's interesting. I actually saw there was an Harvard Business Review article that said, it's the it's the end of the beginning, which is kind of the that it's like it's no longer new like we can now move on past marketing one hundred percent agree, the other one find it's funny and I was just walking the floor out here. There's not a single vendor out here that doesn't say platform like it's the word the most invoke thing to announce comical. So what's next for you guys at carmax like what you're going to be the big things we've got real time coming up the next month or two that we're going to deliver it to the web. We're doing really great things around Howard buying our cliques all over the internet. We're trying to make sure that's accurate. And, you know, if you're browsing from your home in Alabama and there's a store near you. We're gonna show you advertisements that really more applicable to you. Not just generic advertisements for. Hey, here's his car it's going to be a car. That's actually click on. It's actually fail at a store near you. So we're, we're doing that work on our platform, and we're delivering that to our click bidders. I think you know there's. A lot of traditional marketing stuff. We've gotta do. You know, we're bringing in not only or traditional data warehouse data sets. We're bringing in Austin, reaching it with party days. That's demographic geographic, data stuff. Another big arm, what you didn't mention about carmax where a very big auto finance. Yeah. And so we'll, we'll finance any car that you're buying through. We'll find to huge business for us. It's a lots opportunities that the customer experiences. Call centers this variety guys talking earlier about their call center experience. Very interesting. It's things we got to think about how do we better enable? You know, folks, that are helping our customers or help our customers find vehicle pick the right finance choice or pick the right vehicle that falls into their financial choice. Yeah. And stuff like that. I think that's, that's the big thing, and we've got some adoptions. We gotta do, this really cool stuff. That's coming out with data bricks. They haven't talked about yet, this really cool. Stuff really enables? It will help bridge, the gap of some of those traditional data, scientists that are stuck or you know, us I'm used to my tools on my desktop. I will not use something in my browser unless it's Jupiter, notebook or spider, or, you know, I'm stuck in the clips, and that's what I use really cool things day to get coming out with. It's gonna be really cool. Excellent man, while I'm looking forward to it. Well, I hope everybody will be able to tune in and watch your, the recording your talk later. But if people wanted to learn more about you what the team McCormack's is doing. A good place to find the Lincoln Lincoln dot com slash Todd. Do. BT ODU be happy to connect with you very strongly. Anybody's interested in job of science, managing the team managed team date engineer senior engineer jobs, reg- out, so we'll make sure and put the links and the show notes on what those opened positions. What's, thanks so much? We're spending time with me here at the spark summit sponsored by our friends at data bricks I wanna shift gears here. We have a little fun with our guests. We've learned a lot about big data. But now I'm gonna get a bit personal in a segment. We like to call rapid fire this rapid. Fire is brought to you by info works dot info, works is a software platform for big data engineers that automates the end to end data workflow from source to consumption, including data ingestion transformation, and data model. Learn more at WWW dot info. Works dot. What is the latest book you've read that you would recommend to our listeners? Don't read, I'm a podcast. Okay. Never listen to your podcast before I had certainly I have subscribed will. But I think you know, podcasts I do read a more of a skimmer kind of catch the highlights. A lot of my research was reading Gartner articles and blogs and trying to form an opinion. So I'm not a big grab a book kind of guy and read that it just doesn't I don't have the tension span at all the pens, and that's because we heard today from the, the turing award winner Dr Peterson those was he said there's a there's a Moore's law of machine. Learning papers like the number of machine. Learning papers is doubling every year. It's nuts. It's wild. So you're going to walk onstage later today. I'm curious if they would let you play a song as you're walking on the stage like your walk on song. What would it be am, I'm not afraid? That's strong. Real strong player ever. I like that. Is there a piece of technology? That's currently making your life worse. Currently, making my life worse. I think the. I think it's, it's traffic. It's the gap of companies that have kind of gone mobile, but not what's interesting to me is like you can order food on grub hall or dying dash or dash. But then, like I fight with, you know, I can go through like my kids, like, hey, they're at home day off are working, they wanna wear Chick-fil-A, we're gonna do on, on, on, on, on a Uber who reads, the markup is just confusing to me on what they Mark up on that. But you can go to Dinesh for three bucks. They go get you everything you want. Then. Aaa is, you know you can get food delivered to them, but you put will deliver. But the us door. Dash just outsource. Yeah. It's interesting but it's cheaper, and it's frustrating for me because my wife and I both work too older kids once in college going to college twelve year old, and I think that kind of stuff I preferred the less human action, the better. But I'm a very social person right, customer service, kind of bridging that gap of just make it convenient for me. I don't need to talk to people at UCLA. Just let me do what I want to do, and just and just make it right. The more frustrating things when you order something he'll be ready at seven ten you show up at seven to ten or fifteen minutes. Some manager should be like, hey, I think that's kind of my frustration. My kids, probably hear me complain about all the time. So that's awesome art. So what is your current personal biggest money pill like a personal money? But where you spend all your disposable income technology. I got. Ipad pro nice. How do you like huge? I love it. I love the pen. I love the collaboration. I was an early adopted the ipad and get one of the first note taking apps those rubber ended saying awful, and then the clear ones with the little points, you get to see the. Sarah. So it's kind of my first foray into that stuff. I'm just a big person on kind of understanding that how to. I listened to the podcast, listen to MAC power users it's two lawyers and how they just kind of do their workflow how they do. One guy does Al his lawyering on an ipad pro which I think is fantastic. Talk about all these apps. They have people come on and talk about stuff. I think it's that I think just last year, I installed a Rossio sprinkler system uses weather, I save money last year. I know I did. No, that's cool. You watch production ran last night at home in won't run, again probably for three or four days. Looks on the schedule based on the rain predictions nationals chases the changes every day, that's brilliant. I think it's at school stuff. That is awesome. No. Are there? Any shows that you're watching Netflix shows or anything like that. When you travel around. Arounds at your game. It's Hughes games rounds. Dude. How good was up so to a love it. Oh my gosh. So the whole family full whole families of that stuff. I think that's really cool. Another Colin is Bosch on Amazon prime. Okay. That's heard that two different people. It's really, really good. We just wanted the fifth season came out my wife and I was rainy on the weekend. We'd binged it we kind of get what we just watched a ball. Entrepreneurs productive after you. That's all that's a huge game of thrones. Sounds traditional and the one that's so invites the most watched show on the planet. Like there's a good statistic likelihood. You're the guy that also. All right. So what's the next interesting place that you're going next interesting place? I'm going to I think. Cod. I don't know. Yeah. To italy. You're in San Francisco. We came in early my date engineer, I did. He had never traveled really to the west coast at all. So we have to response yesterday yesterday was all the war if the seals Golden Gate Bridge. Yeah. Headline and we rented a car went to Silicon Valley. That's all we hit up Facebook's. Picture taking in front of the big thumbs. We didn't do that, too corny. We went to Google plex Google merchandise store, which I didn't know about that, either. And then the apple at the Donut at apple park, the a really cool, apple store, and you can only buy apple shirts at that store. Really? Really, really cool. All right. Well, that's cool. Or next time we do see you, you're going to be wearing some from the Silicon Valley. What's do we thank you so much for telling us all about how carmax is really appreciate jumped on the journey for adopting machine. Learning the change the way that people buy except cars, awesome. Enjoy. Ship. Thanks. You're listening to the big data beard podcast. Music from this episode is by Andrew bell. Check him out on itunes or Spotify.

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Decision Science at Disney with McKay Curtis

Big Data Beard

27:08 min | 2 years ago

Decision Science at Disney with McKay Curtis

"You are now listening to the big data beard in this episode was recorded at Disney's data analytics Conference Two Thousand Nineteen in Orlando Florida. Welcome back to another episode of the big of your podcast. I am Bret with me is Cory Minton cordray doing today on wonderful Bro. Awesome and we have a very special guest. Sam Really excited about this. We have McKay Okay Curtis. WHO's a senior principal decision science team with Disney. How're you doing today. Awesome favorite washed tell the audience a little bit about yourself and what your role is at Disney sure so like you mentioned on the decision science team I like to think of our team as a building the mathematical Algorithm ick guts of of decision science tools that we then get to give to other units within Disney so our team ends up doing work for lots of different arms of Disney of course we do a lot of stuff for the parks because we're housed within the parks and resorts segment of the company and but then we also do stuff for like Disney cruise line or Disney theatrical group which is the Broadway shows and we also do stuff for the Walt Disney studios pretty much any Armagh Disney so ESPN ABC. We usually have some sort of project going where we're usually doing something like building an analytical tool and specifically focuses on the math behind the tools the hard stuff right well the fun stuff the fun stuff hard for for some of US yeah. That's really cool so when you think of this term decision science. Can you unpack that a little bit and just what does that really mean to Disney well for for us. It's it's about a lot of a lot of our tools have multiple components but usually there's like a prediction component where we need to predict what's going to happen based on our decisions and then there's an optimization component where ultimately we want to influence the business to make better decisions. Disney's a great company to work for because the product is incredible double like I. I've got great memories going to dismantle. I think it is magical. It is magical so helping a company like that. Be Successful usually means that that Disney does more awesome things so Disney is going to be opened the New Star Wars land in California and they're going to be opening one. I think just this next week here in Florida. We got a free preview as cast members. We got to go see inexperienced. The land and the ride is incredible so being are on a team that gets to help the business decisions to help make the company successful so that it can continue to create groundbreaking. Things is really fun so so you're team. Obviously it uses a lot of different techniques to help drive some of these use cases and projects talk about some of the methods that your teams are using to make Disney so successful yeah absolutely so on star-team. We usually have two different backgrounds of individuals on our team. We have some people that come in with like an O. R. E. Background and they they have expertise. He's in some of the traditional optimization methods like linear programming mixed integer programming and then we have other people with more of stats or machine learning background and they usually I usually do build models that produce predictions or estimates of causal effects that then go into the optimization algorithm so we we kind of split the work in that way BIF- hiring people of different backgrounds and that's usually what goes into each tool that we build so what are the some of the challenges when you think about you know trying to deliver decision support systems and automation of those decision support systems with diverse teams like that. What are some of the challenges that your your face well. I think one of them is is I don't I don't. I don't think that's unique to us. I'm sure everybody deals with size. So once you get a specially if you think about like the scope of Walt Disneyworld if you think about just like the number of resorts sports and the number of theme parks that we have just here while disneyworld trying to produce tools that will deliver optimal decisions for all of the decisions that have to be made for any given problem even just simply as like oh we wanna make we want to build a tool for the resorts well depending on how you count the resorts here we have up to thirty different resorts here and each resort has potentially like ten different different room types and they've got different seasons so I think the scale of problems quickly gets out of hand and is a challenging problem so especially on the optimization Asian side. There's a lot of smart guys on our team that have optimization backgrounds that are equipped to try and deal with these scope of these problems and then on the more or stats side. I think something that we struggle with a lot is and again. I don't think it's unique to us but it's very difficult to make causal conclusions from from data that comes from non experimental settings and so that's always like a constant challenge. I think that we're we're always aware of what do you mean by that. How come you understand what you mean. Non Experimental sudden's well so well we the the gold standard for Khazal is usually running designed experiment because you know you've randomly assigned treatment and control and so- background factors at least on average shouldn't affect your your outcomes but when you're you're making decisions in a business environment and you're not allowed to run experiments then it becomes a challenge because well you may have business decisions may have been made because because they anticipated a certain outcome but then the but that goes to the point that like all models are inherently wrong but many are useful right. I mean there's an old saying in terms of like data science like there's no perfect model. There is no perfect model but but an experiment you don't actually have to rely on a model to rely on your knowledge of the fact that things were randomized iced and so and so that can help you so yes. All models are wrong. The problem is that sometimes you don't know how how wrong they are and WanNa find. That's that's all right yeah and wh and what you end up doing is you end up fitting a lot of different models and tweak them and you you look at the results like that doesn't make sense and you socialize them with other people on the team and they're like. Oh Yeah. That doesn't make sense you go back to the drawing board you fit more models and at the end of the day. Do you really know that the model that you produced is the truth and many anytime you don't and so that's kind of what you get and so dealing with that. I know there's been a lot of work lately. That's been like I would say advertise but that's probably not a weird word but there's a lot of work in the Causal Modeling Literature La- lately like from Judea Pearl and others who take directed a cyclic graph approach approach where at least in theory. There's this promise that if you have the right underlying causal directed a cyclic graph for your getting really matthew here but causal direct today cyclic graph then yes in theory you could estimate the right causal effects. The problem is is when we try to implement those in practice oftentimes oftentimes when we think Oh yeah that's the right causal graph if so we should fit that to our data and we should get the right effect and we do that and we still get results that are a little bit weird when you bring that to the business and say just that how often do they they just say I have no clue yeah is over. I mean it's a it's a really theoretical issue so we I mean we sometimes the details of the theoretical issues aren't aren't as of all that interesting to our but so how do you work with your stakeholders a house that interaction so that you can translate what you just talked about to something. That's a meaningful for their outcomes well. I think there's including them in the journey as helpful because then they then they generate a a healthy understanding of okay so this is kind of how statistics works this is kind of how data science works and it's not perfect and so I think they generate great a healthy understanding that helps them work better with the tools because they know when they should be skeptical and then they maybe get a better idea of when they feel like they can trust the the outcome and I think it's always healthy for everyone everyone at least until we figure out all these different problems that you come up and data science to have a certain amount of healthy skepticism with the stuff that comes out of data science hi and analytical models so last year at Disney state in conference. You gave a talk about reality versus hyper V. I A year later. Where do you think we all are in that hype cycle. Have we changed anything. Are we still there and where do you. Where do you think we were last year and this year well well so let me so it actually kind of relates to part of my talk that I gave this year and I think part of the reason why there's maybe some hype with. Ai An that. Maybe is not necessarily founded is like I don't think that the terminology is clear and that's been frustrating and so actually part of my talk this year I made the argument that there's this notion out there that machine learning is a subset of artificial intelligence and if you just google search which on machine learning verses artificial intelligence you will see any number of articles that show in a plot that shows like artificial intelligence is the big circle and machine learning as the Small Mall Circle and is contained within artificial intelligence and I think that's been confusing because if you look at machine learning text books you'll see stuff like linear regression and logistic ticker aggression stuff that was invented in the eighteen hundreds before people were thinking about programming computers to be intelligent and they weren't developed for that for that reason and so I I think if you look at the history of the methods that we call machine learning it doesn't make sense to call them a and yet now everybody's calling everything and I think it's kind of frustrating and his lead to confusion. Maybe hype I don't know every model. Is You build a model. That's right because well. I wanted my computer to do it and that's what a is is anything I want my computer to do. I do teach a computer to do it and updated every day but still I still just so. I- argued in my in my talk that machine learning is not a subset of a and we shouldn't think about it that way because it can lead to confusion and I I did my best to cite some experts in the field. There's a paper by Pat Langley called old and he was the original editor of the Journal machine learning and it's called the changing science of machine learning and he has some great quotes in there where he he was kind of reflecting on how the field has evolved evolved and that it it kind of made the break in maybe the nineties and two thousands it kind of became hyper focused on prediction problems and kind of broke away from its more traditional. Ai Roots and so. I think it's healthier to think about machine. Learning is more focused on prediction these days than others a complication that you have reinforcement learning owning which in my opinion is more closely related to like optimization methods like that you would find an. Or programs like linear programming mixed integer program or dynamic programming in fact more close cousins to that where there's the rest of machine learning which is hyper focused on prediction and it's not necessarily prediction with the goal of being a either no it's prediction in terms arms of we want to find that one metric that can help make those decisions for business for business outcome and I don't even care that they're being done by computer yeah right. Just give me a modest. I need the model. I need to make a business decision and it doesn't matter to me whether it's done on a computer or if you pull it from the sky as long as it's called the cloud by the way from the clouds. Do you see as hype cycle is increasing more almost bad practices but more people disowning. Ai With everything everything in what do you think that's going to impact. Stay the science in general. There's probably going to be burn out. I think at some point is my is my guess. I mean definitely there's many things that were developed in the hey. I community that we're very hard problems that all of a sudden very quickly became what seemed to be easy problems like the computer vision thing last year mytalk focused on image net. I talk a little bit of history in about how at what point where where it was in this a lot of my talks are based on something that I just WanNa know. It's like okay well. Last year was like where where did all this Azazel stuff come from and so I looked it up and found out there was this image net competition and it was actually really difficult and then all of a sudden it wasn't anymore and then the the winning method became the thing to do the nats now we're all talking about deep learning and supposedly some of the natural language processing stuff that's happened with that recently recently has actually happened a little before that time but that was kind of the big moment where all of this stuff took off and really difficult problems in. Ai became really easy Z. And then all of a sudden people started using them reinforcement learning so that kind of contributed to the hype but I don't know I I think at some point it'll take some other big big moment moment to push the next big evolution and I think for right now. Maybe I don't know anytime you make a prediction you end up like this looking like dope because it could totally play out but it gives us something to go back and talk a year later. That's true very true like deep learning earnings becoming the next big buzzword that everyone's just associate everything data scientists deep learning at this point and can you talk a little bit about what you think deep learning is and how you define it and kind of how how that differs between machine learning the techniques out there yeah. I just defined deep learning as some of these really interesting neural networks that were devised is to solve computer vision problems or natural language processing problems that all of a sudden become because people were clever and how they figured out how to fit these models with interesting optimization techniques weeks like atom optimize her and and then the computing power and all of a sudden. It got really good. Researchers got really good at solving some of these very difficult problems so that's what I that's what I consider deep learning and if you have a computer vision problem. It's likely that you're using deep learning already because there's there's really no competitor to at least as far as the best and we and there are stuff so like I said in our department we were working on these different problems and there are problems that we're trying to incubate and see okay. What does this new method can. We we do something with this new method and so things that we're looking at now are well. Let's use some of these fancier neural networks or attention based networks for for some natural language processing problems that we have and how are they doing. They're doing great. They're beating competitors but they're still not to the point where we could convince a client maybe to use them and so so. I think so I think there's some dose of reality they're still in that the methods solving everything at least right now although they're very very good and better than what came before well yeah we're kind of in this I've heard it called to things like there's the post. Moore's law world where CPU is getting faster but now there's the Moore's law of machine learning papers and methods. They're doubling every month. It seems like there's the it's the Cambrian explosion of machine learning that were now all buzzwords though Brian. You love love buzzwords. Yes please did a session. This week called the how to fool yourself with statistics and machine learning. Tell us a little bit about more about what that session what you were arguing for or against in that session. Russian so okay so that session actually it was probably it's interesting how toxic evolved. I propose a talk and then it gets up to accept it and then you actually start doing the research search talking it involves evolves into something that maybe you didn't originally intend so it kind of evolved this to to talks crammed into one but the first part of the talk I wanted to talk about I actually focused on the first part of my talk about a famous paper from Ed Lemur who's an economist from Ucla and he wrote this famous paper called. Let's take the con- out of econometrics metrics and he talked about how in econometrics and this happens in other areas that try to estimate causal effects is that you end up like we talked before fitting many different statistical models and you kind of settle on the one that you feel like as appropriate and he used this really interesting example in his paper of a data set where he tried to estimate what is the deterrent effect of capital punishment and he had all these variables in his data set that he could include including his model and he fit different models and basically showed that the that the deterrent effect according to the data and the models that you're varies wildly really so which one of those is right and the answer is we don't know now. I know there's been research. That's been done since that and so maybe there's researchers out there who are doing maybe argue that they found the right answer but to me it looked like the research just ping pong back and forth. Oh there is an effect. Oh no no there isn't and nobody has created a consensus because everybody knows that there's this a a flaw with the modeling in that it just depends on kind of how you decided to model that so there is that component and then I also talked a little bit about the replication crisis assists in science right now so you could argue that well the problem with the capital punishment study was that it was observational. Data didn't come from an experiment well now now. We're finding that a lot of things that came from experiments are not replicating so when researchers try to replicate some of these famous results these results that hit a pop psychology textbooks and and make a splash in the news that a lot of them don't don't end up replicating when researchers tried to do an exact replication and so I talked about that and just more of a warning of like you have to have some amount of healthy dose of skepticism when for whatever comes out of your models so that was the first part and then the second part we kind of already talked about which which was I I kind of went into the details of machine learning and how the terminology is used and I started with this idea that artificial artificial intelligence contains machine learning and showed that if that's the case then you end up calling a bunch of stuff that you learned in Stats One oh one artificial intelligence and that doesn't seem Mike the Right thing and so they don't rub me of that. Sorry sorry to ruin everything is every so and then I I made my argument that it's not the case and anyway I think it was Cathartic certainly for me but I had people come up and talk to me afterwards and I felt like it was Cathartic for them to hear somebody. You say that out loud. I'm pretty sure we know what it already is. What is the biggest buzzword today and data science yeah well. The biggest thing is this. Ai Ai Slash Mo doing it's longer just artificial. Intelligence is no longer machine learning. It's a slash. NFL which I don't even know what people really mean well. Let's just put so many terms into into one terms that we catch me fun of other people next buzzword. We will shorten it by with into two letters outta slash two. It'll be a slash slash. Whatever yes dea other we go for data science. There we go up there. We go so what's your favorite buzzword out there other than most hated who knows I so I don't know if it could be called all the buzzword but my favorite I think one thing I'm very interested in because it's such a challenging thing as cosmology and so there's a lot of there's a great time to be studying salary right now. Because I feel like there's a lot out there that's exploding in the literature and a lot of advancements that have happened to help understand how how we can and can't get causal conclusions from data that didn't come from an experiment like. I mentioned I think I mentioned earlier a lot of detail pearls work but I also think that that has to come with a healthy dose of skepticism as well too. It's even though in theory it supposedly works works. It's been difficult to apply in practice so but I think it's a I think that's a fundamental problem to almost everything that we deal with. We want to know what are if I do this. What will happen open and that's huge for businesses and because it feeds you know any optimization you WanNa do it kind of presupposes that you know what will happen when you make different decisions and if that's that's asking about the causal effects. Are you concerned at all about the just their rampant rampant adoption shen of a and model driven activities in so many decision support systems today not not outside the context of the Disney organization but just in general in your life as you go through your life. Are you concerned about how people are adopting these technologies without some of healthy dose of skepticism ye well yes and no. I mean if they are using it whether trying to get where they are actually treating it as if they got something causal then that's a concern but a lot of a lot of progress can be made just impure prediction problems you you know so computer. Vision is a great example. There's nothing really causal about that. It's just does this pattern of pixels in an image contain contain a dog and I just to predict that or a cat or whatever and so a lot of a lot of really cool progress can be made purely on a prediction rob prediction problems so some of the things I am concerned. Obviously that's why part of my talk was referencing the con of out of a comment paper from Ed Lemur but but good prediction can just be good in and of itself to so young people can be confused if they models that were purely predictive as causal but there's lots of good stuff. That's just purely predictive too. So what do you think is the next year to two years. Look like for for data science from a trends this is this is where I get into trouble. I don't I don't really know yeah. These things are hard to predict. We won't hold me too. It obviously will only make fun of a little bit year from now or two years now well. Maybe maybe let's put it this way. What what's what's next for you. Like what are you thinking about. And what are you wanting to go. Learn more about out as you continue to become a you. Continue your journey as a practicing data scientist decision support professional. This is a good question. I I would like to study more. It's actually kind of funny because I as a statistician. I saw in statistics departments. You can get in to very traditional statistics mystic's department that came out of agricultural departments where it's like. We're GONNA define it. We're going to design a field experiment and here's your plots of land and we're going to divided up this way and they talk about experimental design and for me. I I hated those classes in school. I thought design of experiments was incredibly boring but I ended up having to take a lot of them because I went to some schools and now I've kind of come full circle. I'm less confident confident that I can get lots of good information from just modeling things that didn't come from an experiment and so now kinda come full circle on now very passionately shortly interested in design of experiments and how do we design experiments in very a very difficult cases where it's very hard to design an experiment and and we actually had a speaker here at the conference this year early from Temple University who talked about designing experiments when the treatment that you assigned to one individual could impact the effects on on a neighboring individual and he's proposed some interesting things that I hope to investigate further. We've learned a lot from our guests about big data but now it's time to get a bit personal in a segment. We like to call rapid fire. What is the latest book that you've read that you would recommend to our listeners. I've only been able to read things related to my talk over the last few months so it's going to be one from from my talk but basically I would say uncontrolled. I think Jim Manzi is is the author but again he's again. He's talking about experiments okay and I like. He's come up with some interesting. Terminology like causally dents is one of the terms that he came up. I think is impactful. That's that's a deep word man. Yeah I dig that sounds so you had a chance to talk at the conference but if you had a chance to pick a song song that was playing as you walked onstage. What would that song be. There is a song off of a stone roses album and I don't think the song was very popular but there's a point in that song where it starts out. It's the song's called breaking. I think it's called breaking into Heaven Evan. There's IT starts out with four minutes of just like jungle sounds and maybe these kind of subtle drumbeats and then all of a sudden out of out of this chaos evolves this like deep funky guitar. It's super awesome. It's like right about the four minute mark but all right. That's the point point. I would want to walk out on the long minutes getting seated. They're like what are these exactly awesome but it is really it's Groovy groovy like it. So what is your biggest personal money pit right now for children yeah. Ah that matters so is there a is there piece of technology. That's making your life worse today aw well kind of going back to the money pit. I'm a sucker for textbooks. I end up spending an inordinate amount of textbooks spokes of money on textbooks and so I don't know and the fact that I can the fact that I can buy a textbook and put it on a kindle kindle version or something like that just means that I don't have to worry about storing the textbooks so there's there's less of a cost because I have to worry about storing it so I don't know maybe maybe e-readers readers is a piece of technology because then I just spent more on textbooks. Are there any shows that you're binging on right now. Well not very many because I've spent most of my time trying to research talk but there I did binge of while on some. Hbo Documentaries so there's some really interesting like true crime on I love die and others are kind of morbid but it's like and then there was another one like who killed Gareth Philips and then there was like Jihadi John and then and then totally different than those Mohammed Ali documentary which I thought was awesome. That's awesome so in your in your professional life or personal I for you. You're going anywhere interesting soon. We were doing a station I in a in a week. We're going to stay at the Beach Club here on property and they have one of the best pools on campus really Oh yeah yeah. They got a nice. Lazy River and they've got a sand bottom portion of the law. That's awesome with four kids. It's also station. Yes totally understand that we'll McKay okay. It's been awesome to have you on the big data beard podcast and thanks for hosting us at Disney's data analytics conference two thousand eighteen no problem great to be here. Jerry's thanks for listening to the big data beard podcast the music from this episode as by Andrew Bell. Check him out on Itunes is or spotify and be sure to smash that thumbs up button so we can keep episodes until next time keeping also

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Insights into the Tools and Technologies Driving our Favorite Shows at Netflix

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Insights into the Tools and Technologies Driving our Favorite Shows at Netflix

"You are listening to the big data <music>. This is our podcast weeks bore. The trends technology making dictated hi everybody this is corey meant with the big data beard and we are in New York City at Domino data labs rev conference us to and we've had an exciting morning with some good keynotes from Nobel Prize winner. That's a first for me. I'm joined by my Buddy Britt Robertson how you doing. It's been a great day so far. I'm really excited about this podcast. I am too well. I'm not going to pretend that everybody's not heard of Netflix before I am who knows where so we've got. Michelle suffered from net flicks joining us today Michelle actually was involved with a lot of the innovative technologies and tools that was driving data science over Netflix wicks Michelle welcome to the show. Thank you Michelle. Where is home for you? I am now in the bay area so all right very cool so obviously we've all most of us have heard of Netflix but you gotta tell us a little bit about Netflix as a company like I there was some metrics that were shared earlier that just absolutely blew my mind. So why don't that you just for the folks who maybe don't know as much about netflix share a little bit about it sure so most people don't realize how long the company's been around so started in in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven and in the original format was the D._v._d.. Right D._V._D.. By Mail and the company Bunny decided to experiment with streaming videos instead and everybody said that's never going to work but they tried it anyway and it's taken off off the company. Now has as of Cuban twenty nineteen hundred and forty eight point nine million subscribers worldwide. All and international subscribers have now outpaced domestics surprises me. That's incredible so that'd be you have more outside the country outside the U._S. US than local. Is there any country. That's like the the biggest consumer outside the U._S.. Okay so you said a hundred and I'm forty eight million people using it now Netflix as you said went from D._V._D.. To streaming but there's even another evolution happened in the last few years that it's not just streaming that they're becoming a producer of content yes so they are they're now moving into the studio business and that's actually been very <hes> very interesting and exciting where they're getting to to take basically the same practice that they have around like experimentation and innovation and see what what they can do inside of the studio and increasingly so I don't know if you know the amount of money that they're spending on content but it was twelve billion last week billion billion with concentration and then fifteen billion is what's forecasted for this year and they're trying to put put most of that towards new original content yeah so it's GonNa be interesting now. How does that compare because does that seems like an absolutely astronomical amount of money but how does that compare to like traditional? Maybe movie houses that are creating content like making movies like as net flicks caught up with them in terms of the number of films are making or they Morgan more netflix past they are now. The largest content producer in the world number of television shows that they create and is larger than any other network provider out there studio. That's insane. Just say that is more than list valuation right now fifteen billion dollars. That's more than what let's valuation. Nation was their I._P._O.. That's ridiculous. That's crazy. That's awesome. They'll love all the shows in the movies but insane but one of the things that struck me as interesting as you know all this content it is it's rich videos. It's four K. Right. It's these massive files that we literally just not over a decade ago. We were shipping lean to people in their mailbox. 'cause it was physically impossible for the Internet to bear the weight of how how big of an impact isn't that flex have on the Global Internet job quite a large one li I believe as a the twenty eighteen sand vine reports account for fifteen percents of all global streaming traffic. Oh Marcus fifteen percent Washington. That's awesome so obviously net flicks is the company that's that's everybody uses disruptive story of changing industry. We you know R._I._P.. Blockbuster we we actually had a team internally put together shirts that said it had the the blockbuster logo on the t shirt and it's never forget in the center and it wasn't it wasn't actually a knock so much as a reminder to themselves not to get arrogant yeah. That's really good yeah. I like that you gotTa Know Your Pass. If you're going to claim your future so a lot of what people will talk about when they think about Netflix faces is the ways that Netflix has been able to use data and data science to absolutely create a an experience for users that makes people want to come back. It's not that they have to it's so they they feeling excited to come back and use your platform so help me understand. You have a high level how you see or how data science was really behind a lot of the innovation that happened in that works well. I think it's I would actually look more broadly say that it's not the data science so much as the culture of experimentation and just being able to test things out evaluate them see how they perform see what does well and iterating so data science is a huge part of how we do that not but it's it's more broad than just even data science so culture of experimentation so how does how does a company like Netflix you know empower that culture of experimentation that is an excellent question and I think it really has to start from the leadership and willingness to to to test things out and not just called up their assumptions right and also the willingness to try new things and and have them fail right and so you have to that really starts from the top right right and you have to Bill in your role supporting that data science activity net flicks share so my team specifically was focused on on tooling to enable greater usability ability of the platform and so we're focused specifically on like any area of innovation that we thought was going to have broad impact for our users the users could be data engineers data scientists algorithm engineers and we tried to look at that broadly but <hes> one of the things that that you quickly see is that the tooling part almost becomes the easy part. It's everything else that goes around it. That is the challenge right for example the the the decision around simplicity verses <hes> flexibility right like which one do we want to lean into you you sort of have to pick up front and the thing that we want is we all want. Don't we want everything we want. The Best of all worlds and your natural inclination is to say well. We're going to try to go for something. That's in the middle. We're going to try to say let's find that happy medium between gene simplicity and flexibility and usually when you do that you will end up failing so you really have to pick like a first principle of do. I want simplicity or joint flexibility and <hes> and then acknowledge what you're going to lose as a result communicate that and then you build it and then you'll have a lot greater success with the tool at you build for sure that if you just built a tool that right it's going to help but it it's really want to be you. Don't even back to the corner right. If you pick one versus the other it always ended up giving up so much on the other side. I get that so so I'm curious though is there is there just one big data platform and Netflix. Is there like a thousand big data platforms like I have to imagine the amount of data not only being generated internally and BA based on the systems that run our in insane but I'm guessing based on all the things you're trying to accomplish the data science. The data sources from external are also quite large so he's is all coming to one place that everybody's point from the same playbook or is there are different teams that have different tools dependent upon there use cigarette question in the answer is it is distributed. The company believes very strongly in not being overly prescriptive around to lean or how you're going to do your job instead. We're going to focus on what the goal is that we we want for you to achieve and you have that that freedom and that responsibility to go forth and deliver and so what that means is that you might have one tool chosen chosen by one team in another tool chosen by another team but there are some things that happened like at a higher level which is we want to make sure that everybody can read all the date in the company yeah so that means that we all have to have it either dating needs to be centralized or we need to have at least one centralized tool that has visibility into all the different data stores right and so we make decisions around Matt and in terms of the teams in the platforms I mean there's a lot of them. We have separate data platform and experimentation ocean and machine learning and scientific computing these are all separate teams that are all under the same org and they're closely related also to like our cloud platform which is dealing with the streaming but we actually create separate dedicated teams because the challenges that each one have our unique so take for example the streaming data team right we have more than a trillion events coming in every single day and they need to be able to to build whatever they need to build to be able to handle that level of scale and if we really constrain strain them. I it would not end up. It wouldn't work for anybody so from the data data platform perspective. We do something similar. We have all the data that is coming through the streaming ingestion pipeline any of the data. That's coming in from our internal. Data stories like Cassandra. It's all being pulled into a centralized location which is sitting in it'd be less on S. three and we have this <hes> this modern data warehouse essentially which is just it's S.. Three it's it's it's structured and unstructured data and we've met a store that sits over top of it but it's a traditional three tier logical data warehouse where you have your ingestion layer are your data processing layer and you're like aggregated normalized layer and <hes> just to give you an idea of volume we have about one hundred pedal bites sitting sitting in our logical data warehouse right now while that is huge wow just by going on the numbers theme here. How many people are we talking about. They have access to this data like how how many people pretty across all these different teams. We try to make this systems as readily readily accessible as possible and so what that means is that if you're an employee of the company you have access to the big data platform. You can go look at the data catalogue you. I can see what's out there. You can see list of reports if they're sensitive data in it then you might have to actually ask for some permissions but it's it's a <hes>. There's one level of <hes> secure permissions for customer data. There's another one for financial data but aside from like these big sensitive groups you you generally have access to everything that's I mean. That's truly amazing. My my roles just getting access. State is more than half the battle most of the time so are you seeing this is openness yield better results or more efficiency across all of net flicks. I certainly think so I mean the company encourages curiosity and what what I've would have observed that it doesn't matter what company you go to. You're going to have employees that are really engaged really curious. They're coming up with ideas and and they they would like to work with the data. Actually the company I was at before we had it was good at he and we had this <hes> I think forty thousand servers right we had a data science team. We have platform team but we had this one server tech who really had an interest in the data and so he saw me given internal talk and afterwards. I I sat with them for an hour and I should have had to use sit and just basically said here you have access now go forth and play and he comes back to me a few weeks later and he'd been playing with it on his free time and he came up with this insight that saved the company one point two million dollars just by some tweaks and the hardware setting now. We have data scientists in the world at that problem well. I shouldn't say in the world that any data data scientist in the company at that problem and none of them would have been able to come up with that insight because they lacked that domain knowledge so I think when you remove those barriers you to create greater opportunity for those types of things to happen and that goes back to something. You talked about say that data scientists really a team sport. It's you need a generalist but also domain expertise. Can you talk a little more about that. Premise and kind of the idea of it being teams well I.. I think that it's a team sport in a couple of different ways. <hes> one of it is there's that debate about <hes> generalizing analyzing versus specializing and I think it depends on the size of your your data science practice and so initially you're going to want to start off with more generalists list but as you want to grow and scale the more you specialize the the better you're able to scale and so now you've created a team of specialists that have different needs and different backgrounds different from perspectives and you want them all to work together. You don't want to pit them against each other. So that's the first thing but then even more broadly outside of your data science or analytics platform. You've got typically in many companies like this competitive issue that exists between like security and data for example raid. or or between with finance or with the business and they really are sort of like disincentivize doing the right thing for the company because they are personally incentivized devised to do what's best for themselves their team their department or org and it creates. I think like a lot a lot more friction than people might be aware of now. I can imagine so you had you had this crazy set of diverse teams that you're having to support right so you're you're at an influx. You've got data engineers got algorithm engineers. You've got data scientists. I'm curious. What are some of the like the the tools like for the for the people that you are supported like what are some of the most popular or tools that that they were wanting to use and and maybe we're like hey we we like the so much we should contribute back into open source like tell me a little bit about some of the tools you are being shot interacting with so I would say probably probably speaking one of the most popular open source tools would be spark right and it's something that it doesn't matter what role you are? If you're trying to access data you're probably touching spark. You do see differences though so if you are a data engineer and you're working with it's smaller data sets and maybe you're dealing with content data or marketing data. You're probably going to be working. Perhaps more respect sequel right and maybe some python versus. If you're working on the playback cider you know the personalization are streaming. You are probably going to be gravitating towards Scala because of the performance implications of that right and so same thing with <hes> algorithm engineering because of the scale data. You're probably going to be using Scala versus data science. You're probably going to be looking more more at python right so the tools vary broadly one of the I think one of the coolest open source tools that I've been involved with lately lately is Jupiter notebooks and that's one that I've seen a lot of interest in adoption and I should clarify. I should just say notebooks because we do have folks here using Zeppelin notebooks Scala but most people are working with Jupiter Yeah so you talked about there is another layer on top of Jupiter this interact thing thing I had never interacted with interacted with interact so tell us a little bit about what interactive sure so interact is well. It's a little confusing but it is at its core a project that contributes to Jupiter GEICO system and I say that because it's not just the U._i.. So there is a U._i.. Component that's where it originally started and it's a next gen you I which is all react base ace which gives us all of the cities of react that you don't presently have in the Jupiter classic client or in <hes> you know even in the Jupiter labs client and so interact for us was a better building block for us to build on top of but it also leaned into simplicity which was attractive to us for a lot of the things we wanna do it also includes other projects such as paper mill which makes it easy for you to schedule notebooks to run on a recurring basis right so it's a it's a library. Are there commuter which is immutable of you only copy of a notebook which is part of the component that you need to be able to schedule notebooks and there's some other tools and libraries libraries inside of that project is well. I'm very cool so how do you how do you balance that. How do you strike that balance between constantly having like the newest this greatest tools and technology taking advantage of all the innovation that's happening and open source and Franklin close source technologies well but how do you balance that with like you? You had to still have environments that are up and running and supporting one hundred and forty plus million subscribers. How would you advise people when they start thinking about balancing those need for speed and flexibility ability but that you still have consistent operations that ran well? Are there some best practices you would give their sure. I think it's a it's a difficult balance to strike but generally speaking the more you stay current the less the pain of that that transition to whatever that next thing is and so if you think in terms of of applications or tools you know always rolling forward or if we're looking at like our big data image which is whenever you unlike a <hes> Jupiter notebook or any sort of sparked job. There's this image that we've built and it has all of the libraries installed by default. Were always rolling forward now that might cause your your your notebook to break but you're going to have to deal with that at some point and at this point you have now a decision. You have like actually I is you. You have some indicator that you need to do something because there's broke whereas if we don't do that and we say oh this is going to happen in the future. We'll nobody's GonNa actually do anything secondly. If if it's very very recent then it's pretty easy for you to make the change because usually things try to be backwards compatible and then the further you get out of date the harder it is to upgrade <hes> <hes> and then if you're not able to do it for some reason it you can just specify that old version of the library and now you know you've made that decision and that's an individual decision but Oy in general you know you don't want to chase the shiny objects raise it don't go after the new tech or the new toy just because it's the new thing but always stay current on that and then whenever you really do have have some sort of compelling reason why you need to look at something different you know be aware of what those options are explore them and then just roll Ford Yeah. That's good advice so one of the things I ah thought was interesting years ago. We heard there was this thing that came out on Netflix called chaos monkey right. which is this idea? Do you WanNa explain what it is or you. Go Okay so we heard zinc called chaos okay awesome okay and it was interesting because it was the idea was how do you intentionally create you know outages basically like problems in an environment so oh the your engineering team designs against what will likely be happened in the real world have activities like that like that ethos of trying to do that kind career did that find its way back into other parts of the business besides just how do we keep the streaming operations up and running it definitely did. I'm I'm not I'm not deeply familiar with those. I know that there have been other flavors variations of the chaos monkey theme. I'm actually they've evolved it. I think it's now like the Simian army cats monkeys part of it so I want to shift gears a little bit and I want to talk about the content creation and you netflix investing twelve billion dollars this year fifteen billion next year. How does data science fit into the decisions in how Netflix is making investments in content in creation sure so we we look at the data science process as an opportunity to inform the content <hes> purchasing and the content production process so from the from the selection process around? How do we spend that twelve million dollars it starts with looking at models that say what is the anticipated audience forgiven title based upon attributes of it <hes> if it's something that's already been <hes> created? That's already been aired on television. It makes it a little bit easier because we can actually see what was the viewership of that. What was the reception? Did it went awards if it's Thing that we are creating instead we try to use proxies and say what are similar titles or similar themes or what you know. How has this actor or this director or writer. How is their work been received in the past and what's the interest in it so we do look at that <hes> but we also so look at the entire content creation process beyond not just like the selection but the production scheduling for example right. How do we more efficiently <hes> <hes> schedule those to be created right. Let's see other things that we do on the content side. <hes> we do a lot with how do we market it. This is actually an area that it's a big question for us right. When you've got so many titles what's the best way to make people aware of this titles and we have are traditional marketing efforts. which is something that we <hes>? We've actually been increasing this is this is a little bit newer for us to invest more or in marketing outside of the company. A lot of the marketing that we've done internally has been inside of the product in the form of those billboards Burgo. That's just the idea that you have that much content that and it's not just like there's like one personalization. It's personalized for every user so you're so you're actually using data size to market the right titles at the right time to the right people so that doesn't have a great experience so I'm obviously a huge fan and that's looks and I love the fact that they're using using data and data science to drive so much personalization forever user some huge fan but I understand that you're you're moving on from Netflix. Can you tell us a little bit about what's next for you sure so so I have to say I love the company. I I love the culture. I've I feel like it's just been such an incredible experience for me to work there. It's been eye opening in so many ways but I always wanted to go off and do the start up world and given my area of expertise in the opportunity and <hes> you know my personal life. Now's the right time for me to go off and do that and so that's what I'm going to be experienced that super bowl. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Follow you and encourage our listeners to follow you on twitter twitter handle as it is. Michelle offered no offer Lincoln the enough. We got it all right well. Hey this has been super fun to hear about. How netflix is continuing to just absolutely Dr Cool innovation great experiences and frankly now is making great content for us and some of that's obviously having powered by data science but I want to shift gears here something a bit more personal. It's a section we call rapid fire. We've learned a lot from our guests about big data now. It's time to get a bit personal in a segment. We like to call rapid fire. So what does the latest book that you've read that you would recommend to our listeners <hes> actually it's Daniel kind of book thinking fast and slow so I am probably probably about halfway through the book and it's a great read. It's just it's really thought provoking so agree. I'm actually I'm about a quarter of the way through it on audible and and it's it's incredible I agree. He's just hear him talk today. At this conference was just it was mind blowing to think about the the amount of thought that he's put into thinking about the way we we think like that whole noise for the last five years or thinking about noise for the last five years a lot all right so if you had to have a song play if you get to choose the song when you walk on stage for presentation at a conference like Rove. What would that song be. Oh Gosh I so I love Music Isaac. I'm fanatical about music and it's almost like asking me to pick your favorite child right. <hes> I what I can tell you is. I was listening this morning to <hes> <hes> high hopes by panic at the disco and so that's that feels like that might be a good one wrong like all right so what piece of technology is currently making your life worse worse worse. Oh Gosh it's a love hate relationship with my smart home and and Google we hear a lot of Google Google path. I did both right I bought of course all the Alexis stuff and then I bought the Google stuff and yeah we have this eighteen fiber in my home and it's constantly dropping which is causing weird issues with Google so it might not even Google stalled. It's kind of unfair to point at them but <hes> it's it's great when it works but then it just suddenly won't work and that's frustrating honestly I.. The thing I struggle with is is like if you work in tech. Everyone in your family assumes that you work in computers can fix their laptop which always done all we've done with. This connected stuff is just give ourselves more systems in our house to deal with all right. So what Netflix show are you currently binging on right now so I was. I was not watching Netflix. I just I finished orphan black which I've never seen before and it it was amazing. The lead actress plays all of these roles and there's such depth it's just amazing and I really enjoyed that and that's actually on Amazon but from net flicks the when I was watching right before that was unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt which is why I saw so many little curve all going off script here. What is your favorite original. Netflix show of all time favorite original aw Gosh I that is you know the truth is that I don't watch a lot of television so I watch <hes> I do watch something. I'll pick comedy like unbreakable commitment or I'll do the net flakes stand up comedy specials and so I loved Alley Wong's long's she had two specials and it was I was just laughing hysterically the entire time also lastly. Where's the next interesting I can place that you're going to visit. I am going to be visiting Zurich next week. Yeah so it's Yeah I've I've been to AH TO NETZER GENEVA. I'm sorry Geneva Geneva thank you. I've been to Geneva but not Zurich and so that's going to be fun. I'm excited beautiful place. I was there just in the last year. You'RE GONNA eat lots of chicken cordon BLEU. That's their food of choice Sir. I don't know why and lots of Rick let you had the it's like we're the take a block of cheese and they just melt the top of it like under burner and they scrape it off on top of like potatoes and bread below your mind that. Oh so good all right well desert. Let's do it instead. We're in New York City. Thank you so much Michelle for joining US tonight. You're exciting work and Netflix and the stuff that you've got coming next. We'll make sure to follow you much. Thanks for listening to the big data beard podcast. The music from in this episode is by Andrew Bell. Check him out on itunes or spotify.

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Streaming Storage Reimagined

Big Data Beard

40:52 min | 1 year ago

Streaming Storage Reimagined

"You are now listening to the big data beard this Corey Menton and we are back with another season of the big. Dig Up Your podcast and we're GONNA kick it off in style this time with a little conversation around streaming storage reimagined and have that conversation today. I'm joined by two folks from Dell Technologies. Amy Nannies is the product. Marketing Manager Adult Technologies and Flavio. Jakarta is the senior distinguished engineer. Adele Technologies Aiming Flavio. Welcome to the show. Amy How are you surviving in this crazy corona virus work from home migration and doing surprisingly well? I think I was made for this kind of living. What's funny I had a conversation yesterday and I somebody said its worst nightmare for an extrovert. Because we don't get to get out and socialize but it's also works nightmare for an introvert because you really don't get a lot of downtime because there's so many people in the house potentially for those of those kids and wives and families and all this stuff so it's everybody's struggling a little bit flabbier. How are you doing in this time? I'm pretty good pretty good. It has been on. It has been nice intelligent at the same time. Nice from the perspective that We spend a lot of time with family together like I. I believe we have never done before. So that's nice but telling him. Part is not being which you step outside me here stain. We have full lockdown. Now can we go tight for groceries and all that stuff from that perspective is challenging but You know we. We were coping very well. So we'll good well. I hope everybody else's stand out there. Hope our audience sustained safe and hopefully this conversation with episode. We'll give you something to enjoy in the lockdown. That's happening so many places around the world. Now business hasn't stopped. People are still out there. Working trying to derive value from data and one of the conversations kind of macro themes that has been really popular over the last two years. If you will is this concept of analytics on streams so I want to set the table Amy would you favor and help us understand? What exactly do people mean when they talk about streams sure yes so extreme as just a continuous data feed? That's in constant motion. So there's no beginning there's no end. Typically we have a time stamp on our data feed so this is different because it's always flowing Today a lot of our data naturally comes in this form you know everyone has a organizations are beginning to utilize drones and security cameras. So we're seeing this information produced all the time interesting now. This constant stream of data a guessing is kind of important you just mentioned a few Kenna interest in areas security and surveillance and those kind of things why streaming getting so much press. These days is becoming really critical for modern analytics. Yeah so you know. It's important for us to be able to consume it store it and analyze it in real time as it's coming in because we get the most value from this data as it's coming in A good example is when we're shopping online so we get to the cart and we have suggested purchases if the computer behind that was to look at that data. Historically we'd be getting it a week from now and that wouldn't be as valuable Or something like traffic lights. We can look at how busy they are and change the timing in between them if we can get that information as it's coming in so the ability to analyze information as it's coming in is hugely valuable in almost every industry. Yeah so get into that real time. Capability is so challenging. I imagine you know there's a lot organizations and a lot of technology is being built and developed to handle executive that problem so far beyond cures from your perspective. What are the challenges that this stream type data bring to maybe those traditional analytics platforms that organizations have spent the last five ten years deploying right so following up on a on what amy said if you're continuously generating data in you can imagine applications where you have a large number of these data sources? So she she used an online shopping example right. But you can also think of food servers Sensors edge applications in general. You can have many of those and all of those producing this flows of data continuously so this year diggity unnecessary to ingest this data and make available downstream. So if you're talking about applications that we want you tell that street rates went to processing data as soon as possible so ingesting that making available news is challenged by itself. Now if you think about the characteristics of of the Stream flows they need their unbounded right so as you mentioned the arm-banded so they have They have a beginning. They begin at some point by there is no no no. There's there isn't necessarily an end end. Not even that alone. You can have fluctuations in the in the workload so that the flow. You're getting my change in my few censors at some point or more sensors oranmore service fiercer results although this cannot can fluctuate and and the the your plan which accommodate those changes and in addition to that you don't want you don't want to have duplicates miss events or or or have problems with the with the streaming away that doesn't reflect what application expects a consistencies and other is another important property. All that's with the with the application wanting to deliver results with low latency so he's taking that data processing yet and delivering results as possible. And finally the the the aspect of reacting facet changes. So if you are in this in the situation that you are taking the state alive processing live and delivering results as fast as possible. System must also be able to accommodate changes to too many thanks to the work as I mentioned on. That could be faults in the system needs to watch to react to those. Maybe replicate In my need to increase the the D'Amato resources dedicated to a critical application. So all those make a beauty a platform like this very challenging. Absolutely we did talk about kind of at the onset that there. Is this idea that we need to think about storage so help me understand you know when we think about platforms that are moving towards dealing with analyzing those unbounded? Highly diverse time series data types. Right in real time. Why is storage a critical component to the overall architecture that an organization will build to get to that real time streaming analytics because maintaining Jessen again? You have the data being Katina's agenda meted out of the application sources and you WANNA capture and make it available to downstream applications. That could be most for those applications. They could be reacted data different times at a at a different pace. And so you need to keep that data around until those applications have have processed the data. Now Minneapolis do not simply want to take the data detailed the the stream and be done with the data their applications like that that look more like a message queue pops up kind of a kind of obligations but there are many publications that want to injustice data in keeping around for as long as they needed may apply patients for example. My want to reprocess the data. We might want to reprocess it because they have changed their Co. They want to generate results in a different way. May maybe they found a bug and they want to run. Eh or maybe just re materialized a particular view. Oughta of a stream of a of changes events I messages so those would be reasons for keeping extreme data rounds and should treat As storage primitive so starting to stream data and keeping it available for applications for as long as they need it. Now help me understand. What about storage platform today? Because you said you know using the stream as storage primitive. What about storage Platforms and protocols? Today is really needed to be reimagined. Like why doesn't you know our traditional file? Object or block storage kind of platforms. Or You know. Distributed file systems. Why are they not good enough for what needs to be reimagined about them in the streaming contexts to solve some unique problems right? Neither five zero check give you this obstruction of an embedded parallel sequences of of data coming from multiple sources. That gives you the the this El City property in which you a change dynamically. The amount of resources allocated to to the stream as workload changes and providing even consistency. In a way that you can guarantee a strong properties and Trans so so files for example. Don't give that out of the box. I have took quite a bit of gymnastics to get what I'm saying. So he's also so just to complete the thought the end. We also want to do that. In a way that you are able to Pale and prostate historically so it's it's not only about the stream but it's also about an processing there historically so processing from the stream at multiple points in time interesting so the outcome of the work that you've been doing and I know we've had you on the podcast before. It's really summed up in this this. It's it's packaged up in this open. Source Project called Vega so give me just a high level what exactly is pervasive. And what are those specific design paradigm that you and the team use to develop what has become today right. So propaganda is assistant that exposes stream as its main storage primitive. You if you want to start getting provider you create a stream and you can have a number of a of a writer's appending data data to that stream that can be done. In parallel we have the notion of segments and the in those segments are implemented in a way that the writers can be writing to to those parallel segments in In concurrently. And we give you the ability of of scaling is a string so this set of segments this sort of pile segments city have to ingest data. They can change over time. So you can start with say two segments and then and then evolve two to three and then that could become. I don't know maybe six and then some later point looney Desma knee and so he drops down to two. Maybe three so that kind of dynamics in a in a stream is possible with with prevail if I step back in and talk about the corporate scandals that that drove our design so I once the idea that we needed to provide a the properties as I mentioned before for capturing extreme data Supervisors notion of a of a unbounded on about sequence of of of Bites Sequential data. It needs to be elastic by so needs to accommodate change Of the workload so it. Worker Grozdana Gross Eagles accordingly workload drops than drops. According to so that that. A biggie also always wanted to be there. We have had that in mind. From from the beginning. In the mechanisms to provide a consistency guarantees any particular provide executive wants SEMANTICS OF INSURANCE. Of course no one can implements exactly one semantics On its own Reis Doesn't do it needs to help off application. Which is something that that we have done with. Some of our applications in that work with provider wrestle ingestion scare bigotry processing streams Is another important aspect we strongly about exposing a single API for the location to process to both tale a stream and to process the data of the Stream. Historically right so you you should be able to use the same. Api to process the recent events as well as go back say six months ago and the in reprocessed. The data from a from that point onwards. We feel that you shouldn't have to use different storage systems to To did you start that data right use different? Api success the data depending on. What position you you're talking about. So that's one aspect of Privee that we have kept as one of the core design principles. We have follow interesting so two things want to dig into their one. Is You mentioned that? In order to achieve that exactly wants SEMANTICS You need to work with other processing technologies things. Both upstream downstream. So what are some of those technologies From a processing perspective that you don't organization would be integrating Vega with again both upstream in the stream where production side or the pub subside. Down to consumption and distribution get are three important mechanisms from our perspective of one is the ability of not inducing. Duplicates ARE MISSING ADVANCE. Say INDICATES OF RECONNECTIONS RIGHT? Salah a client disconnects and then you reconnect doesn't executive where he was left off. And so if you don't do anything about him. I ended up by their events or duplicate. So we have a mechanism trump got various transactions. Which gives you their biggest of writing a bunch of pence and if you commit Dan Than you know that the events are going to be made available for reading and you can check that can check the status of transactions so I feel left in an uncertain state. You can check whether we'll have the transaction in react. Accordingly and the third one is Is is checkpoint now checkpoint? He happens on the on the reader side so a read the group of can has a beat of giving you a check point object data that is bake view of a position in the strength. Now how is that useful? So if you for example you have a fling job and have checked poignant fling checkpoints so the future point we start by requesting a the provider reader group for its checkpoint and that's will trigger the execution of the flink checkpoint execution so it would flow through the processing graph of of the job and at the end it will it will commit a unopened transaction to only then make output available right so so the only way together. An output available out of processing in a job is making sure that that checkpoint execution is successful by so that combination of of an application mechanism. Which is the flink checkpoint in this case plus our check pointing Vega and transactions enables us to provide exactly once entrance. Excellent now the other thing that you mentioned that I just WanNa make sure for our listeners. They can understand this concept. Because I think it's it's pretty crucial as you talked about you know tailing a data set. Tell helped me understand. What does it mean when you take a stream and you your tail? The data set for the purpose of some analytical job so daily means up reading events as soon as they are available for reading. I so that's what I mean because a another way so let let's read about it in a different way so so I can start producing events too extreme. But I'm not I'm not reading those events at all right so we keeps adding right to the strengths of the writers. Keep adding data to the Stream. But I'm not I'm not reading at all and then at some later point I started application. That was the reading at that point. Application needs to catch up and so you will start from the head of of the stream the right but those are not the vents that have been produced. Recently those are older events right multiplication. Dan Up move as fast as he can so that he can catch up and at some point it's hits the day of the of the of the stream right detail. The string corresponds today and status have been just recently added by so when you say tailing them referring to reading. The data that has been recently added to the to the Stream. Cat SORTA clarify for our listeners. Now you talked about having this single to make it simple for integration with the technology. So how exactly would you developers interact with this technology? And and why does a single? Api matter so much today so a a developer would interact with with a stream by determining where to start from in in the same. So you can. You can point to particular position to swim and and start processing from now. Why why visit matter whether you can prostate data from? I don't know maybe months ago I even years ago right versus MMA. Sister Day ends in using differences for that. So imagine that you want to reprocess data okay. Now you don't have all your swing data in a single system so now you have to go to different systems to try to read data rates. Repressing maybe your heads is in in some system and you have to start from from system one and then when you have hit the ends of the data system one then you have transition just system to to the so you end up having an add complexity of having to deal with this two systems when when reprocessing data so what so help me understand how you're obviously system one system to It sounds like it could be system three but it could have some longer tailed. So help me understand. How does an organization go ADOPT PURVEY TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM? Because it feels like that. There may be existing streams that would have been valuable like is it. A migration is is something that comes alongside. It helped me understand what position does to adopt and implement for Vega to achieve that outcome. In the case of a pervaded. There wouldn't be system. One insistent to that will be only one system which is prevail so providing jazz. All of the swing. It keeps all of the data. And if you want to read you only go to one system which is pregnant so there is a single source of a of the swim better for you rather than having a multiple systems in Egypt. Jeter so how is this? Is this really different? From maybe open source technologies. We see today. Whether it's you know the do pico system or you know the things like spark streaming helped me understand. What are some of the key differences? Why would be interested in Preveza as an open source technology versus? Maybe what's out there? In the in the open source community today has a strong focus on on storing data. Storage part is is very key to our focus on in our message. We have less of a focus on pub sub message queue style of systems. It doesn't mean that we cannot accommodate search workloads by. It's not it's not our restraints. At the moment our strength is on the on the storage aspect of it. Ingesting stream data storing it and serving that data. Another important aspect. Is that We we are won't what. Electric cloud friendly that. The properties of the as I have defined compounded elastic consistent. Those properties said about if you are in in a cloud applications if you are in the cloud environment you don't want to emulate billeted by storage of say a single server in terms of with respect to the pliant see some talk about cloud we also we we also able to apply in Coburn Nannies so we provide operators and so you cannot. That's another consideration you. You can have about provider. It's it's easy to work with. Gubernatorial provide those operators deploying. His son is easy so thinking about Provide as a you know. A storage abstraction right as storage primitive deployed in coober. Netease like what sort of resources are are is constrained by in terms of infrastructure again whether deployed on premises or in. The cloud is propaganda. I mean is it. A large amount of compute with a massive amount of storage behind. It is it is it small. Compu- that's at super and it's really focused on consuming and just laying out storage efficiently and using large amounts of you know hard drive resources whether consumed via software or some other obstruction. What what exactly does Get deployed on. And what is it consumed? The most stuff by itself is not as on a on computation so the the computation part comes from from the string process. So if we think about a vague has been one component in in data pipelines. Prefigures storage department? You need a swing prosser to make sense out of the data so read data processing and generate results. I gave the example of Apache flink before I can use it again. Also you use flavors as a stream processor of for provider data using Vega as a as a source. I see most of the computer being used there with with the with the flint jobs. Prefigure is intensive We we can talk a bit about that just so we have. We have components to call combines who is the controller the other one is a segment store so the controller manages the life cycle of streams the controller the signature is the a component responsible for storing segment data and the segments store. Orcs with tiered storage. There is a tier one that we use Kind of like a lie. So if he if he receives pants it will it will reach the Giorno it just today's implemented with Apache bookkeeper so he writes he writes that journal and ends a synchronous. -Ly Its Stores Data Imo State to to a second tier so that second tier can be implemented with with a variety of systems. We we rely too quickly on horizontally scalable storage a few options that are that we support our HDFS nfs based systems. So there's there's for example a product which is is that we can use We could also use can also use object right so S. three like systems we have. Eci In that he can use for that so all those are options that Ah us for that second year so to summarize the tearing we have a first year which is which is essentially journal. And we don't need a large footprint bear because the data stored there is is until when we have a store that in the second year by that point was moved to the second year then we can truncates from from the first year so again we don't need a lot of Allies footprint there before the second year give. That's the long term storage the amount no the capacity that you need for that will vary. It will depend on the on the particular deployment on the requirements of the applications running on on top of that of the provider deployment. But the good news is that if you rely on horizontally scalable storage and you can accommodate as much as as he now. I think that's I think that's brilliant in terms of you're solving a growing and emerging challenge of dealing with these streams but you're leveraging technologies that are. I think highly pervasive things like Kuba Netease for managing large-scale clusters both on Prem and in the cloud is clearly the way of the future abstracting that compute even further than virtualization and then obviously using storage primitives that people in organizations have lots of already. Whether it's large scale had do file systems that have been very popular analytics. Or even you know those large-scale nfs file stores and even object sources become kind of interesting especially in cloud and cloud deployment so interesting layers on top of that. I like that story and one thing I heard. Was that doing some research here. That prevail right is an open source technology But it's it's absolutely fundamental to something that Dell bringing to market called the Dell EMC streaming data platform. So help me understand you know what it what exactly is this. Dell EMC streaming data platform and. Where does where does provide a fit there? Yeah I'll take that one So Privee guy is actually the key engine within this new software product the Dell streaming data platform so in addition in addition to what Flavio has been saying about what Privee can do alone. The streaming data platform creates an out of the box software solution. That couples it with some of Dell's best long term storage offering so just like Flavio is just saying Some of those storage offerings are now available as that long term storage so once that real time data becomes historical data it's automatically tiered those storage offerings and it also couples with multiple analytics capabilities like Apache flanker spark againist. Flavio was mentioning so by putting it all together into one out of the box solution. It's offering next level business insights to our customers and in the case of the streaming data platform the people that are usually working with The platform are used to dealing with multiple complex data streams within their organization. So they have to stand those up and manage them and worry about securing them so to have this one platform that they can now use is huge for them And since it's an out of the box solution not only. Is it easy to stand up and manage but it comes with? The support offered del so a lot of the customers that we've seen In the past were kind of creating this themselves and You know kind of having piecemeal infrastructures before the streaming data platform came along so now they have the ability to create applications and right on top of this platform but they also get the support of Dell. So it's kind of the best of both worlds and as I read. It's also it looks like it's powered by much of the the work. That the vm ware in pivotal teams. Are doing around. Cooper Nettie is to simplify the deployment as right. Absolutely the whole thing is built on Cooper Netease. That's awesome so that's interesting. The Dell has standardized on this open source project. I think that's a kind of an interesting modern marriage between Open source software and And infrastructure companies and software companies working with them to solve. What sounds like some pretty interesting challenges in the market I? I'm curious how del sounds like. They're supportive of this thing. But it's it's not like y'all are owned by Dell. It's absolutely open source so help me understand. You know what you're doing to make sure the Vegas stays open source that he that you have a vibrant community contributors and users. Yeah so we're interacting with the community by contributing to the projects we deploy on and to play with so- CNC F. and Lennox Foundation projects like Cooper Netease or cloud foundry and Apache software foundation product. Projects like flink spark zookeeper bookkeeper. We're interacting with them to build that community and keep it strong now. It's awesome now. I'm curious you know it's one thing to talk tech for for the sake of tech but I I always like to go back to What is actually happening in the real world like winning organization adopts this technology whether it's whether it's the Dell EMC streaming data platform. I'm curious if you could give some examples of what did the technology enable for them in terms of value insight. That's unique yeah. So that's my favorite parts talk about too because for me. It's such a you know abstract concept that once you really start talking about the use cases you really understand the value And the coolest part about my job with the streaming data platform is I get to see those use cases across so many different industries. So for instance We have a a customer using in construction so they have drones flying around a construction site and it identifies different equipment machinery human resources and helps people to analyze the allocation of those resources. So could that crane be used better at site B Is there too many people on this project and not enough on another project and even taking a look at weather analysis for optimal schedules They're even using it to compare real time. Progress to the timelines and plan renderings. So it takes a look at where that construction project is. If it's on time if it's not what can they do? So obviously that's huge for that company to be able to have that insight kind of in the back in you know working by itself and then another Great use cases in manufacturing We have a customer who actually just released a use case about how they have different cameras and sensors along their manufacturing line so it ingests the information as to the speed of that manufacturing line different temperatures ambient temperatures anything that can collect so that if there's an abnormal product at the end it is finding the reason why and then it can proactively fix that problem before it happens again whereas of course before they were taking a look at historical data and if something was wrong they would have to go back and fix it after. Those abnormalities already occurred. So those are just two examples of use cases. We've also seen it in Agriculture using it to monitor cattle in a field and airlines using it to take a look at what maintenance planes need inbetween flights so we really see it all across different industries. And that's really the coolest part of the the foundation and You know the capabilities of purvey streaming data platform is that anyone any organization any industry could use it to find different ways to innovate. So we love getting to see how people can utilize it sounds. That sounds awesome. I love the in the aspirational stories of ways. People can actually use technology for real business value. So I'm curious you know you've made a good case for streaming storage needed to be reimagined. You've articulated well that there is a way to deploy this at solve. Some unique challenges that streams create in this unbounded you know elastic data. But you give folks this ability to have strong consistency and a single. Api that makes it super simple interact with but a lot of folks really WANNA get hands on and they want to see this for themselves. They want to interact with it. So what's the best way for our listeners? To get their hands on purveyor now we have tried to make it as easy as possible. So if you just go onto the website which is privee. GotTa I echo. You can click on quickstart and download it and we are so excited to see what people can do with it. Like I said We're giving away ten copies of streaming systems. Which is a great book to learn more about streaming systems? So all you have to do is download it and tweet at us about it Our twitter handle is privee. I O and We'll be giving away ten copies of that book because we want to hear everybody stories while that's awesome well I I really appreciate you both amy and Flavio Given US SOME INSIGHT. Onto what prevails is the challenges that it helps organization solve. And really why? You've spent time developing this unique approach to dealing with those streams of data and certainly Interesting to hear how del. Emc's streaming data platform uses provided technology coupled with some of the best in class products from storage and software deployment perspective to really make it simple for organizations to derive value. So it's been super interesting. We've learned a lot from our guests about big data but now it's time to get a bit personal in a segment. We like to call rapid fire. All right amy and philosophy. Oh let's get into rapid fire. These questions are a new set of rapid fire questions. Some new some old. But they're very topical given what's going on in the world that most of us are probably in lockdown so amy. I'm going to start with you for the first question. What is the first thing you're gonNA do when lockdown his over? Oh I love this question because I've been talking about it so much the past few days. I'm going straight to homegoods. Okay all right good search goods Slavia. What about you? What are you going to do? And whenever you're whenever you're all done open water swimming out. That's strong okay. Now given that we now all live on virtual meetings and we're doing it from our house and some of us are dealing with varying levels of Home Office preparedness for this It when you go through your day. What is the most likely interruption? That's GonNa come in the background of one of your your web conferences. Well I have a two year old so I'll just leave it at that bucket in the back awesome. Flavio what about you? What's going to interrupt you when you're on an important call? Yeah I have a five year. He's pretty much the same. That's awesome all right so we usually ask people. What piece of technology is making your life worse but life is hard enough right now so amy? I'm curious? Is there a piece of technology? That is making your lockdown life. Great Right now I would say all technology. What would we be doing if we didn't have it But particularly I'd say facetime because especially with my two year old then he can still see his grandparents and you know interact with people so that makes things a lot easier awesome flavio. What about you know? Piece of technology is making your life manageable bearable or better in in this lockdown situation So our need to switch so they can play with my voice there. You go get the game on. That's fun All right so you know. Maybe you've had a little bit of extra time to read. Hopefully is there any Book that you would recommend to our listeners. Slavia and you put a with recommend so I I what am I reading right now. I'm making world order that Sun by Henry Kissinger. That's that's what I'm reading right now but I'm not done so I'm not sure I would recommend it has good so far all right. Good to know. Amy How are you reading anything interesting that you'd recommend yes? I think I mentioned I have a two year old. So reading is not a luxury. I get to do anymore right now but I would recommend streaming systems because I think it's It's really just a great way to explain everything that we talked about today. Awesome now you know. I know you both have young children and I do too. But you gotta put them to bed at some point and when you do. I'm guessing you turn on the TV and it's you've got to be binging something so what is on your binging list right now. I'm so embarrassed to say it's all Bravo Bravo gets me through this. That's awesome any particular show. All the housewives love Slavia. How about you? What are what? Are you watching these days? I'm not a big TV guy when external TV's mostly news used to check the news and see what's happening awesome. Well there's plenty of that to go round. We've got plenty of news to keep us to keep us well informed of the craziness in the world. But I do want to say again. Amy Flavio it was great to have you on. 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Spark of The Future with DataBricks

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36:16 min | 2 years ago

Spark of The Future with DataBricks

"You are listening to the big data beard. Hey, everybody. This is Corey meant with the big data beard. And we are at the spark, and a summit in San Francisco, California, and I'm joined by Reynold, who you have probably the coolest title of about a here co-founder of data bricks and chief architect. Is that right? Yes. Very cool. And we're about to be joined by a by a fellow data bricks employ potentially, maybe not. Michael armbands may be going to join us. We'll see are you able to Jonas? Awesome. We'll do it. Super fascinating. I here we go, Mike. How you doing? This is the fun of a conference. Right. You just bouncing the things and you go and crazy. Michael, tell us what you do for data bricks. Yeah. So I'm principal engineer. I'm the tech lead for the stream team. We are responsible for structured, streaming and delta lake excellent. So you guys had some, some stress this morning, you had to keynote in front of five thousand people, I'll be honest nervous. Obviously for nervous. The hard part, though you had to do a demo which five thousand people demo demo so much higher. Man. Yeah. Talks stressful. Yeah. Getting used congrats much harder. That's exactly right. So you guys you guys are part of a really exciting company called data bricks Tulsa would about what you're doing for you're part of the stream team. Tell me your role and what you're doing with bricks. I mean, a lot of what I do is thinking about what we should be doing next time. What are the important technical initiatives should be building and help when, when awesome people like Michael come up with an amazing idea, how do we help create a channel to make that happen? Very cool. Well, for those that don't know, bricks is part of the team responsible for spark. The spark is in the patchy project. Would you mind? Give us a little bit background on your role in spark in that community in that, that cool project. Sure. Actually both of us were involved with spark Verity on. We came from this lab UC Berkeley out there, where spark was born, and then we kind of, I think both of us were instrumental in both one zero and two zero of spark. The when day the brick started I became out even more involvement. Spark back, then was just graduates do then it became working fulltime on spark role. A lot of code becames of the one committee on the project, sometimes just polishing stuff, a lot of other people do sometimes coming up. So more say ground up innovations Virgil got involved a little bit later when I joined data breaks about five years ago, I joined a help. Right that first of spark sequel. So the idea here was spark, originally had these lower level API's called RD's, which were great super powerful, but you had to be pretty good program or to use them, what speak. Well, does is it raises the level of distraction gives you this high level declarative programming language that you can use in Scala Java python, or even just pure sequel? And then because at this higher level declared a thing sparks he understands what you're trying to accomplish. And so it can actually do a lot of optimizations under the covers to make your program faster for very cool. Now, I wanna talk. About some of the things that you covered in the key. And I recognize you have a little bit of a time sensitive or art. So we're gonna start with you. Tell us. Oh, bit about some of the, the announcements around data. Burks delta, like yes. So delta lake is a project that we've been working on for almost two years now you announce it at spark summit in Dublin. Yeah. About two years ago, and it's always a whole class of problems around managing large amounts of data and your daily daily are awesome. You can put tons of date in them very easily. And I actually think that data has a lot of value, but because of quality problems, people often can't get that value out of this data and adults league. Does it brings a variety of things to that allow you to add quality incrementally? And so you get acid transactions. So what you say happens actually happens completely or not at all. It brings scheme enforcements you actually understand what the shape of the data is. And if data tries to come in that doesn't match that we can say, Nope, you need to fix this up. And then finally, there's this kind of new. Feature that we demo this morning, we'll be releasing later this year, called expectations where you can actually go a layer deeper and talk about your domain knowledge about what correctness means to us, you can actually say things like this column is VIN number. So it needs to be this long and start with the character, and have this many numbers in it, if she put that domain knowledge into the system, and now it will actually automatically do validations, both locally and in production. So is this is purely on the point of just like before we ride it to the day like you have to enforce this, this policy. Does exist there Kennedy exist in operate in environments where many organizations invested in the concept of data league and the story updated for years, and they've got a couple of pedal, bites stuff, and they're like, we're really not getting the value of this thing. We thought we would tell is it only for new or is it for existing as well? Absolutely for existing as well. And this is the kind of incremental refinement I was talking about a pretty common pattern. We see is people will start with their existing day lake which is just a massive everything. But there's actually a lot of value that you just need to sift through it. They will ingest it into a bronze delta table, which is just getting it in there, just getting into rains, you can create efficiently, but doing very little parsing you may be at a time stamp, you maybe pull out in event type, but you leave most of it as semi structured or unstructured data, and then the power of delta. Is it integrates deeply with structured, streaming and spark so you can very easily create refine tables on top of that. So you can then pull out the one particular event that you care about apply a lot more structure to it augmented with joins and other things and create this, like silver table. That is now closer to being ready for analytics and the magic here is what delta is doing is storing all of this data and making sure it's correct and acid and all those other things. But because the immigration was streaming as new data, you can both get this backfill of all the old stuff and then his new data arrives automatically kind of makes it through your cleaning pipeline. So this is this is fundamental shift in people from heaven, to think of things in this, like Lambda architecture, is that fair? That's totally fair, because that's one of the things that people struggle with when they think about. Pipeline's. It's like, hey, I do have these streaming requirements need to know real time data. But I also have this batch because I need to be a need have governance and compliance about the data and also have data science activities of wanna go on is it does this obvious gate that completely, I think, in many cases it does. And really what it comes down to is structured streaming exactly once processing, you don't need to have a separate batch pipeline. So most of your kind of standard ETL's that are going on every single day. Those can all just be streams now. Delta, of course, also supports batch operations. So when you get that GDP our request, and you need to go and redact, all of the Email addresses, one time, you can, of course, do that on your data, you're dealt lake as well interested in almost whenever we talked about the types of extractions of things you can do it almost sounds like an indexing pipeline for time series data like that. Use case for where you're saying, like, hey, you could actually have large amounts of time series data being forced into an index may be more useful for later. Analytics? That's a good question. So we don't we don't have traditional secondary indexes, but we do have. Tricks to quickly locate data that is relevant to your query. We support kind of standard partitioning, delta makes partitioning scalable. It's scalable transaction logs. Even if you have millions of partitions, you can still create quickly and then in managed delta lake. We also have this feature called data skipping where we basically keep zone maps on each files. We'll remember min and max ticks reach column. And then when you have queries, we can eliminate many of the files over last year. At spark summit, Dom, Brzezinski principal engineer at apple who runs their Infosec group talked about his use case, where he dumps a whole bunch of data into delta. And in his case he uses this technique to search very quickly on network traces for source and destination. And in many cases for his queries. You can eliminate ninety seven percent of the data as irrelevant for the query even begins. Yeah, exactly. It takes it takes crews from going from hours to minutes. Absolutely crazy. Noticed you hit a lot of customer reference stories of their, and then we'll have to go on a detail, but you've shared some numbers like how much data is currently. Being processed by this technology last month alone. We processed over an exit and that's growing rapidly. That's to exit. I'll leave a professor. I'll even tell you and extradite is one with eighteen zeros that doesn't signed so thousand bytes. Yeah. Yeah. That's just absolute. And we're there were some announcements around some open source of some of the technology in and around Delta's. Right. Maybe koalas. Well, we, we open source, delta lake, which is. Yeah, yeah, yes. So, yeah, that is that is the core transaction protocol of delta. So we're very excited to put that out there. We've seen great adoption internal today to bricks but we're primary primarily a cloud service. And so we want to run on your laptop when you're writing unit tasks, and your on Prem Meech DFS cluster. We think delta can solve problems and all of these places you think runs outside of HDFS in because obviously, there's an even in the cloud. You've got things like three protocols. You've got Google cloud. You've got a bunch of different storage media. Does it give you the ability to abstract? And create data looks across those so not necessarily across them. But delta does have this obstruction called the log store, basically interface to the storage system. We have just a few requirements. We basically need the ability to officially list, directories and mutual. Exclusion for the creation of files, but you can implement this on top of any storage system. Very cool. Yeah. Well, it's awesome to hear appreciate the updates on delta. I want to be respectful your time to give you time to your things, but thanks for you. Thank you. Some time with nice talking to you. Thank you, Mike. Sadly, you'll miss out on the rapid fire which is really where we got to learn some things about you. Interesting person. That's right. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. So super fun to hear about delta. There were some other big announcement. So that were that were made this morning. I'd love for you to share with a little bit about some of the, the things that you said, because one that was exciting was around some of the spark, three dot L, that's coming later this year. Help us understand what that means. Yeah. So spot one dot zero was really is about five years ago in twenty four teen. That was a big deal is the for the first time we marked the world. This thing is production ready. Go use it. And spark to two zero readings about two and a half ago. It was almost a complete rewrite of spark one dollars zero the entire API's different, what Michael Toscana about high level. Declarative API's, what we pushed out in two zero, but also the entire NGO fan. We rewrite the whole thing was hosted cogeneration to get more than ten x perform Speedo, a lot of data workloads. And we've seen a massive adoption sparked three zero is coming this year. I can't pin down that month yet because of the way of Apache software foundation works. But there's a lot of I if I've one keyword to describe sparkly, zero say, its ecosystem, it takes very ecosystem Centric, approach to big data, which has sparked is one piece in the very large ecosystem. It is a group of I say the growing engine a lot of different things. So it is at the center, but there's a lot of different sources, you want to be able to read data from this lot of different places. He wanted to be up the run spark do in the. Clough. Bonetti's. And then there's a lot of other troops, you want to integrate and run on top of sparked, for example, a lot of him speak stand, there sequel can spark support stand, a sequel so lot of about spark three zero is providing the right interfaces for the eco-system now. Spark should be able to run everywhere including Kuban Eddie's spark should be able to read data everywhere. This new data source API on this, a lot of buzz about this conference and also want to be speak. NC sequel is gonna be over a thousand features. So I can't list all them. Oh for sure. Some of the ones I thought were interesting to there's there, we heard from Dr Pattison, the professor from Burke from Berkeley about how there's there's changes happened in the computational frameworks in that spark is actually implementing some abilities to use things and be accelerator. What's up? Is it a project? That's part on project, hydrogen. Yeah. So we announced about project hygiene about year ago at this conference also miss Connie and idea is want to bring first class support to all the should be commissioning frameworks, and does not just spark, but also like tens of flow, pilotage, and office, and to make them really really well as field missing pieces. One pieces is needs to be up to push data very quickly to all this framework. So needs to be a standard way of inch exchange data on second is a lot of this framework can really benefit from accelerators, FPJ's, UP use because as Davis set we are that set for more Slaw this we're knocking era. It's done safra's no longer just be gonna be magically faster every year. Because hardware gets better than that said for harbor with only way to actually improve performance from hybrid perspective is to leverage, purpose, built ships for suspicion obligations, and we'll see I think that will lead to a rise about GP mpg even more so than we've seen the past couple of years, then we really want to make sure sparks ready for that you touched on and spent quite a bit of time, and I wanna walk through because I think these, you talked about these three primary principals when you're in your role as you start to think about how you view the world of Lucien, that's happening inside that bricks inside a patchy projects. How do you make them relevant for customers? You had three key design principles. I'd love to kind of go through those in a bit of detail because I thought that they were one really the gave me a lot of confidence where you're going, but they also explained a lot of the reason why you're doing some of the things you're doing absolutely I'm so three principles had talked about. They're not the only principal. Clearly this world, but the three in particular, I've talked about earlier so one this unified data and they I and second is run everywhere. And the third is about creating Bill intuitive easy to use API's and really all three down to one go this to make. So our usual sparked your data. Scientists data engineers more productive in building their data pipelines, they'd applications. Do you want me to go on? Yeah. For sure. When you think about unifying data and help me understand some of the ways that you're making that real in the products. Yes. So when sparked I spark is very interesting. That's a thirty forty years from now. Everything has gone. Right. Also fierce. Get up Salih this new version of going over and field has taken over Spar, we'll probably remember as its became the first system that push for this unification of data before spark. There were big data frameworks that's focused on processing data. And there were machine ending frameworks focus on just doing the American petition and the two really work with each other. But at the end of the day in order to Bill complex pipelines support applications, you kneel day that their feet into the models for sure to really want a single tour single framework, or single pipeline that can combine both spark of taking that approach, and that was reflected in radius of Emo sparks, tissue machining, eyebrows packages. Spark one zero, we got a bunch of these machinery together and implemented the pretty high quality library for that now as David pass also pointed out. We are in the aero Moore's law machinery, there are actually more fifty or one hundred mission any papers being published every day. No, single library, could possibly implement all of them. So we've seen the explosion machining libraries, house, a couple of years so things have changed in the past when spark mullahs started could few people together and can implement most of the relevant algorithms, not the case anymore. So now, people really want to integrate spark was gazillion different algorithms, outer gazillion different frameworks out there, and they want them to run out to while out of the box. And that's what the project hydrogen effort is would talk about here, very cool. Now, the secrets of was as ideal of run everywhere. And I think that's interesting because we we've seen this shift of cloud computing was gonna take over the world. And then the edge was going to eat cloud. And I think the reality is there's this somewhere in the middle. I think is more true. Which is all of its exists for awhile. So why is run everywhere? Are you taking this concept of? Run everywhere and put it into practice for sparking data. Bricks. Yeah. Fundamentally. Data pipelines about data and want to be able to end the easiest way to prostate prostate in place. So we want to be able to run sparked everywhere there's data and that is a key principle. Spark initially started with just one mode, which is run on missiles. I'm a lot of smart users to do that today, but very quickly realize, hey, just a lot of on a single laptop, especially for the purpose of testing s mixture spart, one's, really awhile just on the laptop. So we make that happen. And users this days, they could actually run. Spark install it with any curation just one line of command. They can run it and then sparked do became so the standard data lake on Prem less mature spot, where three Dale well with that, so you can run in. And then there's also a lot of environments people to set up because all overhead of setting up the or missiles, they want to run sparked to process data in situ to create a standalone motza, very lightweight resource manager run smart anywhere. You want. But now this days we've seen the massive change in cross the resource management space very similar to machine running that Canetti's is becoming if not these stand at one of the standard. So on this massive up to emit talk show that this actually at his twice, or maybe triple the amount of search create interest on Google trends, comparing Bonetti's versus a Duke. So the spark community also saw trank coming in about two years ago is a big Claverie. The effort started to add building native screw Manetti, run their four sparks who could spark also anywhere, this Kuban that because in one of the two dot releases they're sort of the become like support for Cubans, but it wasn't like it wasn't like full right? It wasn't like they were saying experimental support that we're at it just like a lot of. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then we have seen of the Gotch house people head, we've seen bucks with seen so here are the biggest requirements here. The new needs and lot of them will be addressed spark three x. And this, where also I expect Manetti support for sparkle, Jay. That's going to be excellent. I 'cause I hear it in talking with organizations people that are here at the conference. They're, they're starting to look at that not just for their spark machine learning workloads, but Cooper, Netease as a standard for orchestra and the data center. Exactly that obstruction layer actually being the gateway drug to hybrid cloud or where they can actually take workloads make them portable. That's us back. I think had Duke has taken a little bit. I think he has taken a better approach here in that. Hey, want to be able to manage all the closer resources for all that petitions and not just your day down that except the casual approach do beyond has taken executive fundamentally different. They obstructed is not just for these, but for universal which is different. It is. Now, you talked also about the easy to use beautiful API stack. So want me through? Kind of the history because I remember seeing early days, when spark was just entering the, the space, like I mean, this is probably to two thousand thirteen day most likely. Yeah, it was like it was the whole phrase was it's faster than hoop. But then it evolves. Help me understand that have Aleutian. Yeah. So. If there's one thing I spend the most time on this API's personally spent time, working was usually trying to understand how well does occur in AP? I work while the Gotch has where wherein they confusing and sparked initially enters the, the market of developer space for two things. One is, hey, it's, it's a new in memory compute, engine that can be a hundred times faster than do, especially for a lot of the iterative algorithms, that they implement from sharing. But also for interactive applications and the second is hey, this through of a better higher level, language, integrated API co RD it is substantially easier to write and which also made substantial easier to read than do map, produce API. And we used to show this workout program, they would take fifty lines in do job without even adding the import statements once app import becomes one hundred lines. With shows of fifty line program. Get turns, which is the three line program in spark RD's. So it was a big deal. A lot of us. I think you're right, that they initially can to spark for the hundred x performs improvement but really state because of API it makes much more productive come for stay for the. I think with a lot of the, the older generation API's, people wasn't able to get things to work and my just quoting. The John ASTA, one of my favorite professor Stanford. He said the biggest performance improvement off. All time is spent stinks go from not working to working. API's have the magical power. That's interesting, if you have easy enough easy to use enough API people could make something to work if it's too complicated. Nobody could figure out how to make it doesn't matter how fast. And, but we didn't stop there after they RDA became very popular work was all of the users. And then we, we realize the RDA, great versus do map reduce but. It doesn't have the concept of schema built in and really allowed, they'd engineering data. Scientists building data pipeline somewhere along the way they have to add structure, and schema to the data, even if the started was unstructured data, for example, images, they feature is it that means you actually have pixels now and you have a schema, and so, they started leveraging the couple concept in python Scala. And then we look at that typical Spar program back, then we spent a lot of anti bugging smart programs. Our customers early on their litter with square brackets on the scores. And for the topples in python Scala, so the program became also pretty difficult to read, and we started thinking how can we simplify it at the time. The data frame concept, Aren, python kind of just starting to become popular also magilla lot of inspiration from that and created data for may PI in spark and that kind of just took off and allowed the scientists love it. We saw a huge uptake of not just engineers. Using an also day. The scientists who are typically I would say taking engineering approach to projects. Do you want me to talk about call us now? Yeah, exactly. That'd be one, because I love koalas. Glad you chose koalas the animal. But yeah, I'd love to hear what, what is the inspiration behind koala. Yeah. So we release the data frame, API think within the first version, the experimental suppose in March of twenty fifteen and then it becomes of a standard API sparked zero. And this matter of fact, you learn sparked this days. You don't learn about. Oh, RDA anymore. You just learn about the the frame, and it's a lot of data. Scientists are using it. We realize a lot of them struggle. Because virtually everyday the signs is talk to. They learn panda's as the standard for data frame on a single note for small data and or medium size data and all half of them request McCain's book on python for data analysis, and earn pandas half learned from mooks, and some of them run from the latest university programs in day, the signs and sparks their frame API, while inspire by pandas. It's not identical. It's similar benign dental and as a result, all of this data scientists the more ambitious ones tried to learn it. And they're like okay for this feature. I kind of forget, what exactly is in taxes. Go look it up. Storrow info it there are some also refused to learn a new technology because they've been using the same thing for a few years. And it's been working to them. But when they want to scale to larger amount of data, which happens a lot in production. Spar is the interface. And if they don't learn it, they have to awesome, outta then junior to produce a sample to sample downsize data set and give it to them. So they can run on pandas. So we talked to a lot of this talked at the boasted engineers has been doing that service for data. Scientists talked with data scientists have been trying to spark and a lot of them repeatedly. Tell the told us while you just make the pan this API work. That'd be great again. One of those from not working to work in. We'll be incredible xactly. So the and the end of last year, one of our engineers, who also used to be a fomer data. Scientists he came to me and said, I could make it work. Which try it, and I was initially sceptical. Show me a prototype. Hey, I build that we can, of course is not done yet. But this shows you what's possible. And I we tested with solid data, scientists in day, the bricks and they loved it. And we're tied was a customers Asom. Hey, would you think with this help you all them like lights out like this? We have to have we have to have this gimme this yesterday. Okay. That's that's serious. Get serious as the real him behind it, and that's coming with the screen, you open source project. And that's make this spill. And you're going in your actually releasing this under the pretty permissive Apache license. Right. Postel time call author release on their posh Eli. So anybody could pretty much do anything they want with it. Very cool. That's awesome. So I love here in the design principles were where spark data? Berkshire going as a company project, but I'm curious you sit in a interesting seat, where you've been through universities that are absolutely world class and computer science, you're working in an environment where you're probably gonna talk with some of the most. Incredible data scientists on the planet when you look out like the next twelve to eighteen months, not just for database. But just as as a community, what do you think some of the most necessary innovations are, and where people should really be spending? A lot of time innovating to really start to unlock this, like the real AI innovation. Yeah. I think the I do spend a lot of thinking about those, but and it's not problem. We can't complete solve in the next twelve to eighteen months and ask them not gonna take over. I'm from certain already online, there's hiding it's running on the internet. I'm sure I'll gore invented it the looking. I spent a lot of time, working with customers understanding whether paying points are, and many of them, I think the systems stays are still too difficult to use. I the mentally believe ten years from now, we look back, we'll feel like all technologies today are jokes. They are so clunky. They're so difficult to us, and it doesn't actually necessitate a fundamental innovation to fix that. I think a lot of it is. Hey, for example, dependency management. We try to install this version of the software. Hey, doesn't work with the other version the other framework also using. And now I gotta fix that. I think having things are more turnkey will be key to enable dependency management has been biting, the rear since literally, the eighties because, as soon as you would update, you know, the main. In frame. Oh, you'd break ten other thing I, I, I hope that we saw that Walker is, I think a step in the right direction sense that these, if I don't have we in a single project, if I don't have any conflicts I could just make sure that single projects stand alone. Self contained and I don't have to worry about anything else. Exactly project, but dependency, just one example. Right. There's a lot of things I in Sparc there's this concept of a degree of parallelism. So the spark dot sequel, shuffled, O partitions. It's a convict Pam to tune. I would say Amman daybreak support tickets probably about in the context of performance tuning behalf of them. The answer is, hey, why don't you go try change that nub and try different value. The system should be able to figure it out. There's no fundamental reason why the system can try it for you do. And I think that's what this office system needs to be a little smarter. Think about it. And a lot of is really thinking about it from us perspective. What's needed us on, on their see the people that build a system on the stent every intricate detail of how it works, so they don't want to fill? They don't even this in need the most performance comfy rations needs something to work. That's incredible. So when you look at a data bricks and where you guys are going next in light of some of those innovations. What's, what's the next twelve months for you? Look, like in terms of the things that you're going to be trying to take from thought and put into practice their bricks. Yeah. The there. Few different few. I say intertwined focuses one is. Very important gos- for us to be a community around. Delta. We believe it's, it's a killer technology this solves a lot of pain points before delta. I would say, I love citing support tickets generate real pain points. I would say third of data brick support ticket wearing comes to spark has to do was found off found or different, right? And readers modifying the same file. And then they conflict with each other, and too many small files as a result performance really bad delta kind of vague at all those, and our customers don't mind those problems anymore. And I think this is technology that benefits, not just the customers, but the entire. Whoa. So we'll be spending a lot of effort, making that work really. Well, the other thing is obviously call us self. We are still very early on journey. We implemented probably like five percent of API's. The good thing is most of them are pretty easy to implement straightforward. Translation would take time to actually joy up. The other one that want to focus on, and I'm not gonna get into details. Yet, saved fit for the nouncement future. Is we want to enable of the entire ecosystem to work on data bricks? And if you think about the data systems, a lot of different things out there, this proprietary software is open source offer this open source standards and typical data. Scientists they try whether there they can get their hands on because whatever gives them a best result. They wanted to do that. We have I think are ready, make a lot of progress in that respect with what we call a machine Runtime, which packages Bassi all the machinery, expect speaking of dependency, management, prom, pags out, all the mission ending frameworks, and they just were out of the box. So you don't have to worry about hate for this version of tens of flow in the, the other thing and for this version pie torch in the, the other dependency, we make sure he works out of the box. But that's just a machine any framework is a lot more in the entire ecosystem, they will be working on. And there's some announcement it would be making on. I'll be there this year. Overkill wolverton. It's been fun to talk with you about what was announced today at data bricks and what the what the, the, the ecosystem has to look forward to for spark, and I love your vision of really just trying to make people stay. The scientists data engineers lives, and their jobs more productive. He corey. So I know you are a fan of two things attending data science conferences. True and reading books, also true. There is awesome conference. I heard of going on in a few weeks called ref to have you heard that before I have heard of to it's happening in New York City on may twenty third and twenty fourth. And it's hosted by our friends over a domino, data labs the thing, I'm excited about is their keynote speaker is Nobel prize winning economist and the author of thinking fast and slow Daniel common. He's going to be joined by a roster of data scientists and experts in the field from Netflix. Watch it Nike where it slack use it. And many more, visit Rev domino, data loud dot com to learn more about the conference and to register you can also get one hundred dollars off your pass by using the code just for big data bear listeners BDB, underscore Rev, one hundred I'll see New York. City can't wait. We've learned a lot about big data. But now to get a bit personal in a segment we'll lead to call rapid fire. So Reynold is there a is there a really great book that you've read recently that you would recommend to us? This is not a very inspire inspiring obser-. But having that she'd read a book the last year before that, I mean I used to read, probably a lie back in college and high school, but probably know lately. So if you if you had a song, I don't remember what song was playing when you walked on. But if you could pick a song would you would you pick any particular song to walk onto onstage? Hype song. Maybe a wedding song sows in year dance or what's that a west gonna kill me now? Remember, the exact name of that saw you remember you have a life. So that was good. I do remember I have a way that's perfect. So is there a piece of technology that is making your life worse, dependency management and Bill systems to, to collection technologies? Nice. Is there personally, what is your biggest money? Pit. Like, what are you, spend your disposable income? Bein fundings. I'll give you an example. I have a car that I've race. And it's I the biggest purchase ever done without she at tesla. Okay. Just which ones you get although X pretty cool car. The the I mean, I don't agree with everything they do. But I think it's a great company doing very interesting stuff. I have the exact opposite as a race car that brooms gasoline is polluting, the earth every time I drive into the exact upset. Are you are you watching TV shows like Benji on anything lately? Yeah. It's watched the there's an ethic show robot. Loved death might have brought in the sequence wrong miniseries. I think sixteen fifteen different studios getting together and creating. Very small short show, like ten to fifteen minutes real each one episode and focus on. Different topic was pretty interesting. Interesting. All right. We'll check it out. Our von a question. What's the next really interesting place? You're going sometime going to Iceland in may the way. Yeah. That's awesome. Are you going refunders for work going for fun? I don't think it's a lot of. Going on there. Maybe maybe going mostly for fun, then I'll be visiting our Arndale center and euro being them to them, and they'll be going to Luzon and Switzerland's for Scala days. I'll be talking Scott days, soba almost months-long trip when everything combined. That's awesome. We'll have if trip it's been really fun to talk with your rental about, thank you. We're spark is going where the debris is going to appreciate your joining beard. Thank you. It was fun. Thanks. Thanks for listening to the big data beard podcast. 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The Three Pillars of AI in Federal with GAI

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The Three Pillars of AI in Federal with GAI

"I has a people problem. There's not enough data talent to fill the roles. Technology is creating quantum has. Developed. Their key differentiator there people we enable organizations to deliver on the power of AI by providing tools to hire an upscale, a high performing workforce future proofing. Your workforce means leaving behind the old ways of hiring and training she hubs powerful platform to assess and develop your talent today by visiting get dot quantum dot com forward slash beards or like the link in our show notes. You're listening to the big data. Hi everybody this is corey men with another episode of the big data beard on joined by my co host today Kyle Prince and today we wanted to to have a conversation about something sort of interesting, which is technology adoption and the federal government, and candidly as many of us look at technology adoption and the government it's it's a bit paradoxical in that some of the greatest technology innovations. Of all time have come from federal agencies. Yet. So many seem inefficient and slow to adopt modern technology as based on our experiences. But when organizations in the Federal Government adopt technology and drive technology forward, they stand to have one of the most massive macro influences on society and human progresses we can imagine and that's really why we wanted to get an update from our friends at government acquisitions better known as. On. What's going on with the state of a and big data and the US federal government? So for that, I wanted to introduce our guests today we have J. J.. One to start off and give us a quick introduction. Yeah. Hi, So thanks really glad to be here So again, my name's Jay Lamki I'm the president of government acquisitions we like to call ourselves. Gee, I and we are a a federal only solution provider. We've been in business for thirty two years and in those thirty two years. We have done nothing but focus on solving. Our customers largest challenges. So exclusive to the federal government. Very Prim how about you Charlotte Good morning everyone my name is Brim Giovanni I'm the Chief Technology Officer that Gi and in my at all I get to work with the customers understanding technology problems, mission problems, and be able to bring. Real world solutions using some of the best strategic partners we work with and I truly enjoy bringing technology to the solutions and solutions to the market. And is a pretty interesting topic on video excited and the tension about it. Absolute. Well, let's start off with at a high level. I'm curious from your perspective clearly. So you know you've had a lot of experience with with government agencies. What would you say is the general macro state of Avai I'd option in the US federal federal government and their agencies. So I would broad brush strokes I would characterize is there is a real high commitment. From the top down there from the president on down there is a high commitment. To ensuring and reinforcing the importance of how critical it is for the US federal government to lead in A. represents probably our next technical revolution. and as you know through history when there's a large technical revolution that tends to. Have the ability to really upset the balance of power in the world. and. So the federal government has a high commitment to what I call using a I for good China and other not. So friendly nations are spending an awful lot of time and energy trying to ensure an and money trying to ensure that they lead the way in. The federal government is is aggressively trying to make sure that we maintain our lead in this really critical technological shift. Absolutely. Perm for your perspective as a CTO I'm sure you're working with a lot of the innovators. In the federal government what's your? What's your take on the state of AI? Day? Yeah absolutely I mean I would say I have a favorite saying that data is the new oil you know with the federal government they are collecting data at an unprecedented rate and when off the things that drives is good. Quality data saw with so much data. Out there and lot of mission. Outcomes that can be positively influenced I think is absolutely already taken off, but I see that with the power of new technology. Innovations coming from companies like Dell, Invidia and many other of strategic partners we work with the E I is now being taken very seriously and very excited to work with US federal government and helping them with How we can influence the missions. Absolutely. Yeah. We'll trying to have mission outcomes as is clearly key. But it's it's a Lotta, talkin solid rhetoric, which I know happens in politics from time to time but becomes real when when legislation actually gets behind and gets focused on driving adoption I'm curious you know maybe Jay from your perspective, what are some of the the legislative landscape that's happening as you know as a as a directive mission like what she outlined to be using this kind of technology for good you to lead the way as a global force for good house legislation being enacted and what what interesting things are happening in that area to actually make this a real supportable statement ee great question. So I think the first key thing is in twenty nineteen. The White House issued the president's executive order on maintaining American leadership in A. And that really set the framework in underscored the urgency of driving. A. Adoption in the federal government. So It calls for a number of things, but I'll try to highlight a few of them. So one calls for what they call. It promotes the sustained investment in a I R in. D.? to it reduces the barriers to the use of AI technologies. It trains calls for the training of the next generation of American AI researchers and users, and it also calls for developing for each agency. To develop an implement an action plan around Ai. And it actually had a deadline by which they needed to submit their action plan and so that's really key. It also calls for the RND side of each agency to consider a as a street as a strategic priority and to allocate funding a corn accordingly, and so also calls for heavy collaboration with nongovernment entities like academia nonprofits, corporations, and so what we've seen as a result of that in their self talk in the second, about some of the agencies are department set have been stood up to enable that but we're seeing government reach out and collaborate with industry and with researchers research. Universities like never before and I think that's great. So they also established the chief data officer role. So every agency is now in the process of of appointing a chief data officer many already have those roles in place. So then there was a couple of key things on the DOD side. So by the way when we look across adoption right now, think prim and I would both agree that dod in the intelligence community are way ahead of most of the civilian agencies in terms of actual. Adoption of AI. So dod established two key entities right. One is called the Jake, which is the joint artificial intelligence center, and the other is the defense innovation unit or what we call the dia you used to be called the DAX. So the they have totally different roles but are very complementary. So the Jake's role is to really work on transforming the DOD by accelerating the delivery and adoption, of Ai, to achieve mission impact at scale. So their goal is to solve to use a to solve large complex problems that span multiple services and then ensure the services and components have real time access to ever improving libraries and data sets of tools. The Da you on the other hand is really focused exclusively on fielding and scale and technology across the military to help solve critical problems in. So where they are tasked the dia, you is much more tasked with working with industry. And academia to make that happen. So both of these things are are really key Both of these entities are really key to the implementation of. That there's one thing I wanted to say in that is we've seen. One of the things that the current administration has recognized is that the old contracting methods are too slow to be able to bring out a technology and adopt and implement a technology that's evolving so rapidly, and so in the traditional contracting methods, you know frequently, it takes twelve to eighteen sometimes more. MONTHS FOR A to go from concept to actually contracting that. And there's protests and so forth. So they have reinvigorated a process that was I believe originally brought about in World War Two called the OT A or other than transactional authority. And This allows the customers to issue small innovative awards to companies with great technology, right. So when they see something, they can then go out and do an not a contract for it on a very small scale and say, let's try this and implement and see if we can. Actually. Get this to operate at scale, and then when it does start to go at scale, they can go back to kind of traditional contracting methods. So not a is like in in commercial terms, we would call it a a proof of concept, right a an a division or a group that has a small budget that you know they can pull the trigger on. Not Gigantic projects but small projects to prove value. If you prove the value, then it's much easier to go. Justify the funding is that is that an accurate assessment very well said excellent not. We'll see that makes me feel better that they're actually legislating the government to be run in a way that is a pretty efficient business process because I mean that's one thing that's happened over the years we've gotten away from these. Think. ERP projects of fifteen twenty years ago that we're multiyear multi tens of millions of dollars and move to this rapid. Process forward point applications that that gives me some. Hope I'm curious when you talk about the Jake and the dia you you talked about one of their goals is really to. Help adopt these technologies innovative technologies at scale. When we think about the government scale water, some of the challenges that you see in that scaling function of actually getting these technologies to be used on mass. At mature Prem, you'll have some thoughts as well. I would say you know the one of the government's challenges in general is the sheer scale of the organizations right and so. if I'm I if I want to Adopt if I wanted to do a better job at helping my analysts view drone data as an example drone feeds and understand and and look at so I wanna be able to go out in and help us ai to help. Understand what's happening? I've got to be able to do that across an incredible of multiple types of platforms and across multiple entities within dod right or within the intelligence community. So just the sheer scale I, think causes. A lot of challenges with them being able to to adopt any technology that's not limited to A. And if I can add to what j just mention basically what I am seeing is big challenges basic the dells lot of data as I said, the agencies are collecting but manny monk, most of this data is silent. Fragmented. So what really gets me excited at this point is Agencies out of starting to embers data as a strategic asset. In fact, the data strategy. If you look at the requirements, it is requiring agencies to inventory and prioritize their data and as part of that they are established. Chief data officers, right? I mean. So this is a great start you have to. Have a proper collection of data and has to be good quality data for you to be able to scale and other thing that I notice is many agencies think artificial intelligence as a plug and play technology. It is not a plug and play. It's not something you can see dissolves instantly I mean it takes it's like a journey you know how cloud computing started. Then fifteen years ago and everybody thought it was a hype. But today we are seeing some excellent benefits that cloud is bringing to the missions and E- I is I call it like a journey it's roadmap right? You don't get instant results, but you have to start small and you have to have a strategy. So that's what is happening, which is very exciting. Yeah it's it's absolutely incredible. What we're seeing out of the DOD and Jake with what you've mentioned in other leading with adoption I imagine in references to data quality that security has to play a role into this as well. Can you out of it around the challenges of providing data to machine learning while still having to secure it as well? Yeah, absolutely, I can ponder and I'm sure jake and add more. Color to it. So chroma security perspective that is clearly a big privacy governance fairness. But see these things come up all the time. Again, our liquidity to cloud everybody loves moving to cloud, but people are always worried if it's a shared infrastructure what happens to my security in multi tenant environment. So with the I as you're trying to bring all this data together what are the parameters that should be in place to make sure that data privacy is maintained whether the data is at rest in motion or in use, and unfortunately that's where we are still behind I. don't see standards out there like bit cloud we are fed ramp. Via phys mob. We have all these things right. But with the I, this is where nist is actually stepping up I've been part of the working group at where they are trying to establish. Standards Around Security, privacy governance, and then of course, once you saw that then the question becomes how do I know my outcome from e I is fair and unbiased. Now remember most of these machines are being trained by humans and humans bring a ton of bias. So making sure that during the training of the models after the training of the models and before the training of the models you are continuously ensuring that the bias is not leaping into into the learning models right and that is something that humans have to get involved and there has to be a ton of policing. Before we end up with outcomes that we regret about. Yeah. I'm curious the show it's one thing to. Talk about the fact that we wanna make these things you know these algorithms fair. Transparent unethical but but more practically like how how does that manifest itself like you talked about a little bit about nist stepping up with standards and I always liked the analogy where it's like, you know for somebody flying a plane. And for autopilot functions, we have a pretty clearly defined set of parameters, tools processes to validate that that that works is that the level of sort of legislation that we're going to have that not only finds its way into measuring the fairness unbiased, right the the removal of bias, the ethical outcomes that not only exist in the AI algorithms that we deploy government. But do you see those standards from like a body nest? As you mentioned, do you see those finding their way into the private sector as well? Yeah I mean for a what I'm seeing is very encouraging a long way to go but based on the working groups that I am involved in I'm very encouraged to see that nist is not just in warming the government agencies, but there is a extremely strong collaboration between private sector and academia right and that is exactly what we need because there are a ton of best practices coming out of companies like facebook and Google, and Lincoln, and these companies are. Adopting A in a in a massive way, and they are learning some early lessons. So I have been very fortunate to be part of the does groups where I hear some best practices and some. Mistakes that have been made that should be faced. So absolutely, I would say all the collaboration that needs to happen has started but is there room for more? Absolutely I. Mean. There is lot of things that need to happen here because what is doing is unprecedented I mean it is not like any other technology be obscene before because there could be a Outcomes that if we don't. they get off in the start of the process we may have to regret later. So it always a very, very careful process that has to be followed. Absolutely, you talked about the you're working with or the working with universities. Also, you know obviously companies in the private sector. So. Much of the work and the underlying technology that ends up becoming in Vogue Ai, and we know that you know the tools and technologies and algorithms and a I are massively ephemeral right changing constantly but the way that they show up and they get consumed in the market. So often as open source software and I'm curious from a from a government perspective, are you seeing government agencies able to participate in that open source arena or does open source represent a more challenge in terms of security intellectual property that the government just generally tries to avoid I mean I'll give you my opinion. So. Often source to be a double-edged Sword, right? Sometimes, the open source is good because it brings the word do help innovate right? It's not restricted to accompany like a great example is Lennox Lena started out as open source and today we know it is one of the top tier moisture robust solid operating system that bollards the most mission critical applications and that are other examples like you know hurdle banned Apache spark and there is so much great innovation. So to answer your question, yes, government is starting to adopt open source and there is definitely a big interest from government side rather than having to recreate the anti software. But what they do is there to be very careful with open source. Since the is open, there could be. There could be all kinds of security risks. So I see that it's a careful adoption. But. There are commercial products that are taking open source and making it very secure. Right. So companies like Cloudera, who did that for a dope? We have data breaks that did that for a patches park, and then we have red hat that has done it for. Lennox. Oh. Those kinds of distributions of open source are what really Become fit to be adopted within the government agencies. Absolute. Now, we've talked a bit about kind of the macro of the legislative and presidential directives that are driving adoption. Some of the scaling functions the ways that were. In organizations within the federal government to work externally with the private sector with academia and really changing the model, right? I. Love The the Innovation Towards acting more like you know these lightweight tech projects gives me a lot of hope. But from your perspective, you know you guys work with a lot of the a variety of. Agencies. I'm curious what you all are seeing like in actual real life implementations of a and M. L. being deployed in the government that gives you excitement and the hope that we are going to be able to deliver on that mission of being leaders and using a offer. Good. Yes so So I give you a couple examples. I'm sure Prem Ken as well There, there's a lot that we see and there in various stages of maturity rent. So Know. If you think about what ai is really good at at its core, it's really good at reviewing and ingesting massive amounts of data at extremely high speed and then finding trends or patterns identifying certain things that humans would never be able to see right and if you think about that a I never sleeps, it never takes time off it doesn't get distracted or take phone calls or go to the bathroom it's it's on twenty, four, seven and so. We're seeing it in in broad areas like cybersecurity and fraud waste and abuse. were seeing in video analytics I'd on that a little bit before but she think about the amount of data that comes through in in the video that you would have a human monitoring. And looking out for certain patterns or behaviors, or objects, and so forth and so. We're seeing a lot happening in that space we're working with a company right now that has a platform that developed are that skews me that identifies as an example weapons and so think about outside the perimeter of school. So this is a state and local example, but it's it's same thing applies in federal is. Think about. Someone approaching a school. With a weapon with intentions seconds matter right and so the the external cameras being able to identify a weapon in the hands of somebody of any type before it gets in or up to the school and identify immediately the the resource officers and security guards. That saves lives very very quickly. Right so so we're seeing those types of things The Postal Service is doing some amazing things with ai they have some key projects underway. That are all around kind of fleet management and streamlining delivery, and so forth So there are some very cool things we see happen there dot kind of across dot looking at how they leverage ai to solve all kinds of challenges related to highways and space so. Think about the impact that autonomous vehicles and massive numbers of drones and doing package delivery are in surveillance are going to have on the on both the roads and in the airspace and so the So they're leveraging La- working on a number of projects to leverage to help in that way. So we're seeing examples, aware drones are equipped with particular sensors that are doing the maintenance of our viewing, doing visual maintenance of towers of railroads of pipelines and so forth. So those are real examples. That we see every single day. Right, to Ed to Jay's list off some excellent uses, he mentioned I would say another area that I see a lot of adoption of e I is within cybersecurity. You know this is a real problem. Every day every week, we see some unprecedented breaches and go meant is no exception. In fact, they are the biggest target whether it's nation state attacks ransomware advanced persistent threats I mean these are not going away these are going to get worse. So clearly, humans are not built or designed to deal with millions and billions off events coming in through SIPA networks. nipper networks and all this agency. So they are collecting insane amount of data but how do you make sense of this data? So most of the places are companies and agencies have been reactive up till. Now you know they like Oh, we found something was Some attackers were inside of a network and we found out after three months or six months. Doc about any of the big tax rate. So with the I that changes the landscape because now instead of being reactive, you'll get to become prayer proactive and predictive. It's all about predictive analytics. So we what with some of the top strategic From slate you know couch strikes of the world and Sentinel One, these are innovating. By using I in the in the in their software where it is able to identify attacks before they happen. So it's a game changer. Interesting one things you mentioned them, both of those threads that both J. Primm you talked about is this idea that actually follows a quote that I really liked from Andrew who you know one of the kind of the leading innovators and the AI and machine learning space Stanford, and Corsair course designer but he was actually the chief Brian Google, he said an in the in the short-term you know we shouldn't think of AI as Skynet, which is you know from terminator the that goes on to kill the human race we think is a racist. Or scary I'll get out but it's not. We should think about it. It's that we should think about. In the near term as automation on steroids, and I think what you guys both just laid out was that a I has the potential to hyper automate many functions that are no longer human scale. Do you think that's an accurate assessment? Like is that a macro can away to think about where AI is going to fit in the federal government absolutely and so So Gartner has calls. One of the next biggest trends Gardner's term for it is hyper automation I think forced her has a different term and so forth. But. It's this marrying up of process mining and process improvement with robotic process automation and a I to constantly to look at business processes from the top all the way through in in not just the kind of lines in boxes on a page that say this is what the process is. But what are the shadow processes and how do people actually Interact in the ability to monitor those processes and make. Improvements to that, right. So that's one of the promises of of hyper automation and and that's an area we are investing along with a I and our partners were invested in heavy in in that part of the marketplace because we see tremendous benefits coming from that so I'll give you. An example. Time example in fact, we have A, we have a session with these guys coming up but we have we have a partner who Can Do high-speed. Code re factoring right so they have the ability to ingest any code and if you think about the amount of. cobol and Fortran and old code out there, and you think about the age you look at the average age of a programmer and the federal government is of cobalt programmers. Excuse me I think it's like fifty eight years old. So you have all these legacy systems that need that have security vulnerabilities in enter enter Developed to run on old systems. But are frequently run in some of the agencies most mission critical applications those need to be re factor relisted into modern applications and so the tool ingest the code. And understands the intent of that code. So it doesn't need to understand each aspect of the line coded understands the intent of that and in it re factors it into any other modern language. So any to any, and it does it in a fraction of the time with a much higher degree of accuracy than than human beings could do it, and so it can go from four excuse me from cobol let's say into Java. And we can. They can do millions of lines of code in a matter of days and weeks and not months and years. So the process. So the costs go way down speed goes way up accuracy goes way up and that's those are that is real time leveraging of ai that's happening right now. Right, and if I can add to that I mean I have been on this side of the House but can utterly on in my career career, I was a software developer I know how painful it is to sit and do line by line conversion of To the new code. So when I first heard about it, I could not believe this like I've never heard of something that can use ai end. Translate millions of lines of code at a fraction of a cost and three times faster and fifty percent less cost, and it was like this cannot be true until I saw it and I heard about it and I see customers are using it I mean that immediately made me a believer like, yes there automobile problems that can be solved so. I mean this is exactly where many of the agencies work with whether you talk about social security. Administration? I S I mean they have good that was written way back in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and that's not just one million or two million lines of code. You're talking fifty, million, eighty, million, hundred, million lines of code so. When you think about the impact, it's massive. Yeah, it's absolutely a monstrous lift It seems. Like quite a quite a problem right now I a question I would ask to is is if you had the opportunity, what advice would you give to government agencies on on trends in I I to watch most closely So. A great question and one of the things we spend a lot of our time doing is educating the the federal government customer right. So Prim and I and our of VP of technical services developed a course that is a workshop that's really targeted at the line of business owners in the federal government that walks them through. kind of AI, from start to finish right. So how do you identify a project? How do you clean your data? How do you? Get, buy in how do you budget for it? How do you understand how to measure in Understand. The true outputs of those projects and so forth, and so we walk them kind of cradle to grave through. How To? Implement a project. At the same time, we try to bring those agencies real world examples, of companies that are doing innovation specific to their needs right, and so that that's one of the things we see a look there say every the good news is there's a top down mandate to make this happen the the bad news is that there's a real they're still a lack of understanding of how to make that happen, but there's a huge desire to do so that creates a need for a folks like us to come in and really work with them to educate them on and be kind of a coach in guide on the journey if you will. Right and and do at this point I mean I've definitely wants the education has been done in the agencies understand the art of the possible. The next question of course comes up is Do I, put this into action right so where do I start? So I would recommend. And I do recommend to all my customers like hey, you need to start small find the small use case and let us help you with a proof of concept to that effect what Gi has done is in collaboration with and media and some are four partners we have put together the state of the art engineering lab where we invested and put together an entire solution stack with high-powered Sudworth compute storage gp us and it's not just an individual technology be at g I truly believe in building solutions so that is what I really am passionate about is when we go talk to the customers, we are not giving them parts and just say, Hey, here's the subtler good luck. What the agencies really need is somewhere, they can put some kind of. Their either their lab data or synthetic data and kick the tires say, Hey, let me really see Vic- the Ottawa. On what is happening, and then once they get to see the the actual results are the outcomes. then. The next question becomes his how do I dig this into my agency and scale and decks different challenge where we start putting architects and engineers in best best brains to work. To help agencies scale, but having an engineering lab is very important. let let me let me just add one thing onto that. So we we've in our workshops we've created prims created two artifacts that we find customers Really. Ask for a lot and benefit from the first is our six steps to a optimized agency right? So It outlines kind of the journey as Prim describes and the second thing is the seven layers of the stack right and so it really walks them in in articulates the the various layers in the needs throughout the day I. So. We find those requested out of our workshops a lot and last year we trained I think we. Conducted a shop for over seven hundred, fifty workshops for over seven hundred people so So that's hopefully resonating and and helping people in government who are tasked with this. Understand you know how to implement projects effectively. Absolutely. Well, I mean honestly it's been a delight to hear that one that the government agencies that and the federal government is moving towards. This rapid adoption of AI. Being driving hyper automation in the agencies to solve non human scale problems that we're going to have to solve if the US is going to lead. The world in adoption of Africa, and it's amazing to hear how you know if organizations have the ability to try out technologies in that POC like way to prove value that organizations like Gi exist and you've built those labs and the guidance and the workshops to help support, their steps towards meeting the mission objective. So gentlemen and has been a pleasure to talk with you about the state of a in the federal government and to hear the amazing value that J I can deliver to our government agencies. But before I let you go I, want to have a little bit of fun. We've learned a lot from our guests about big data but now it's time to get a bit personal in a segment we like to call rapid fire. Jay I'm curious what has been the most productive thing you've done during the shelter in place orders around covert. Boy I most productive thing I have. I've learned to organize my day in in a way that is incredibly more efficient than it was when your going front through airports and airplanes and and hotels and meetings, and doing laps around the beltway in those types of things. So I would just say that the the ability to organize my day for maximum efficiency. Awesome Prim. How about you? What's been the most productive that you've done? Yeah. So for me, it has been very very productive in a way that I used to spend a lot of time on the planes and trying to see customers in person and do workshops, and then this was a total different perspective because now there was no flying because of Gobert. So I got very efficient at delivering the same workshops say messaging. Are and all the things that I do with customers online and it has It has been a very exciting journey to be able to do that sometime it's very challenging, but it was a great learning experience for me absolutely prime I'm curious from your perspective. What is a great book that you would recommend our listeners checkout? Oh, absolutely I'm a big what issues leader of I I collect of books I, read them, but I would say. If you were to ask me my top one or two picks. There is actually a book on a it's called life three dark all being human in the age of artificial intelligence it's returned by mock Max deg monarch. And what he does why I found that exciting is because in this, he describes like life one dot as being the biological, the bacteria, the riders. That does not have any power. It is basically everything scored in the DNA live to dot is the cultural, which is humans. That we can change our software, which is basically we can learn languages and skills, but we cannot change our body and physical structure and life three dart or what he's describing is the technological being, which is not existing today but these are the The UN rights are the cyborgs that will be created by artificial intelligence and why I found this fascinating is it's very, very scary sometimes like all you have a person who's complete like it goes back to that Arnold Schwarzenegger. Schwarzenegger. Movie. Machine frigging me up. When they say cyber cyborgs, I get all kinds of terrible aren't don't read it before bed Jay. How about you? What book? Would you recommend hands down is a is a book called a in the new world order. It's by a gentleman by the name Kaifu Lee who's one of the premiere of venture capitalists that really understands this space. Awesome. Okay. So J. Are there any shows that you've been binging on lately Oh God? I'm right in the I just finished the season three of. Yellowstone. Oh good choice him. How about you? I like the shot Dang show that's my favorite. Get. Excited when I see some new ideas of so all right. So we're Prim. Are you going when we can travel freely again? What's the first place you're going? I want to go see Utah I haven't been there. I heard like Germany Australia, all those one schoolwork gets away. I'm definitely looking to go outside the United States good for you. Jay, how about you where you traveling well I'm going to go back to the two places that we had on the on the books this year to go to my. Wife and I always take one to two large trips a year and they were both canceled this year. The first one was to to Peru Macho Peach you into into tour, the Amazon, and the second one was we were bringing the whole family to Egypt, and so I'm going to get those back on the books as soon as we can. Some now geno working our audience finds you on social media. What's the best place to keep up with you too? So are the company website is www dot gov G. O. V. Hyphen A C, Q dot Com and and we try to branch everything we do offer their I'd say that's the the best place. Absolutely and you can find us on linked in. Also, we'll Jay PRIMM. It's been an absolute pleasure to have you join us today to talk about the state of I encourage any of those government agencies listening if you have a chance to try out technology to rapidly adopt a considered Gi, a great partner in your journey. Thanks for listening to the. PODCAST The music from this episode is by Andrew Bell Check him out on Itunes or spotify.

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293 | Starting Over

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293 | Starting Over

"This episode of the minimalist is brought to you by nobody because advertisements suck minimalists every little. Need me every little thing. Ving legend every little thing. That's just feeding your are without a hello. Everybody welcome to the minimalist podcasts. Rediscuss what it means to live a meaningful life with less. My name's joshua fields millburn. I'm ryan nicodemus together. We are the minimalist dear listener. Have you ever thought about getting rid of everything you ever owned. Well maybe not everything but in more ways than one minimalism is really about starting over with less. Now that can be a blank canvas a blank slate. Sure sort of like what we did with this new studio space rent Which by the way. If you're watching us on youtube you'll notice these backdrops were building out this beautiful new studio. We've already done three studio tours over at patriot dot com slash the minimalist. If you want to check those out. We started out with a blank slate. You in fact here. It a lot with well with meditating in particular i remember you and i were doing the waking up at the gather. We brought sam harrison. Here talk to about one of the things he always says is now. It's time to begin again. Yeah and identity so useful. not just the meditation. But if i'm having a conversation if You know i'm having I don't know if i'm having trouble in the moment. Yes with whatever it is. I can tell myself all right. All right began. Yes yeah. I think it's interesting because a lot of the questions i saw today. People are asking about a will maybe not a lot of them but a few of them about starting over with nothing. Why would i want to get rid of all my stuff and start over But there are so many different ways to start. It doesn't necessarily mean creating an empty life or creating a white canvas starting over fresh totally new right. You can do that and if you want to do that. Great sometimes that's perfectly appropriate and it's preferable even right. Yeah sure and that's one way of starting over exactly so many different ways to start. I'm thinking we're always starting over. Sometimes they're sort of mile markers to mark the occasion and opportunities for us to start over or even sort of the warning signs. That man i feel like i really want to start over. I want to begin again for me. The obvious to the sort of happened back to back the one to gut face punch that i had was my mom died. My marriage ended both in the same month back in two thousand nine and that was sort of the press. The precipice for us for the whole minimalism thing for me to simplify my life. Realizing like wanna start over pretty soon. After that i left the corporate world and then you were laid off from the corporate world. That was an opportunity to start over. Yeah it was starting over with my stuff but it was also starting over financially. I got rid of my car payment. I got rid of my mortgage So yeah i look forward to Yeah just diving into these questions and really talking about these different ways to start over. But you know one thing. I'll say That does apply to all of it is that i love how you talked about. Minimalism being this tool to help you start over. I've never really looked at it that way. But i think about lessons now. Rapper documentary on netflix. And that is about starting over. It's about starting new right and yeah if someone is looking to start a new they can use minimalism helped them do that and minimum is not about starting over with nothing it you can get down to nothing. It's about identifying what is appropriate and starting over with less now a few other times in our lives. That really stand out to me if you're leaving a job obviously or maybe you're just moving to a new workplace. Maybe your you where you worked before moving buildings even that's an opportunity star of or you just move into a new office in the same building. You're starting over. Maybe you're seventeen years old and your job as witnessed father kicks you out of the house and you have to start over. Hypothetically hypothetically speaking yeah yeah l. or maybe moved to a new city or a new home or a new apartment that is an opportunity to start over fact. Anything can be an opportunity to start over. It's a brand new day. It's an opportunity to start over. You know during the minimal episode today. We're gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about starting over. We're going to answer your questions. On the maximal episode of ron patriot patriot dot com slash. The minimalist we're gonna talk about forty life lessons from forty years since i'm turning forty next week. Which by the way is another opportunity to start over. You don't have to wait until one of these big milestone birthdays or anniversaries. It can just be october thirteenth than you decide. That's the day. I wanna start over or maybe it's february fifth. That's the day. I wanna start over whenever it is. It's an opportunity to start over. But i am turning forty. We're going to do an episode next week about birthday gifts but this thursday on patriot. And we're gonna do forty life lessons from forty years forty things i've learned. Then we're going to answer a bunch of your questions as well ryan. Let's dive into some of these questions here. We have one from twitter. Lauren has a question for us. As i'm letting everything go and starting over. How do i explain to my friends and family who think i am crazy or terminally. Ill reminds me when we were in the corporate world and people. Were asking me if you were suicidal. Because i was getting rid of stuff right. I'm like yeah. i'm like he's depressed. I but not suicidal. The thing is with the stuff that is often indicator the someone is going to kill themselves or it's an indicator that i finally have identified. What my true priorities are. And it has nothing to do with all of this access stuff. That's getting in the way of living a more meaningful life lauren. Let me say this. Who told you that. You have to explain yourself exactly what i was thinking about. You know. it's funny because she's telling yourself yes to explain and your society is also telling you and maybe even the people around you are saying. Hey lauren i need you to explain this to another. They may not say that explicitly although someone might be but there are saying in the way that they talk to you the way they judge you and now a lot of that though a lot of that pressure you feel a lot of those expectations feel their internal and so most people don't really care about the explanation now if someone does come to you and they're truly concerned for you then certainly if you feel compelled to not by society but you feel compelled because of your loving bond with this other person been great. Maybe it's an opportunity run ryan came to me and he was like. Hey man why the hell are you so happy with. That was an opportunity for me to not convince him of anything. But to simply say oh. Here's something that's really helping me in. It might help you as well. Because what you're suffering from some of the same miseries from which i was suffering at the time. Yeah so lauren. You might be You know the subject of some judgment right now but remember. Judgement is but the mirror reflecting the the traits of the person who's doing the judging a paraphrase and butcher that quote but yeah it's all the insecurity is yeah. It's the insecurities that they're projecting onto you. So you gotta think that that is a. It's a temporary judgment that's happening really what your friends and family want. Excuse me what your friends family want. They want you to be happy. They want you to be content. They want you to live a meaningful life. They want you to be consistent and if you can show your friends family through consistency that that simplifying of your life is making you happy. It's making you content. Eventually they're going to support you but that initial judgement that initial thing that you think you need to explain away. The actually isn't a way to explain it away. The only way you can really convince others that you're doing what's right for. You is by living a deliberate a deliberate meaningful life being consistent with that is what they're looking out for. Yeah and i think that when you're talking about your friends you know what they may want all those things that ryan said. Maybe they do want you to be happy. They want you to live a meaningful life. But maybe they don't and that's okay too if the it doesn't matter what your friends want is what i'm saying if they want things that's wonderful rate. Whatever they want has no bearing on the life that you want to live their expectations and even their standards their beliefs. Their opinions their preferences are not yours. And you don't have to adopt them. If you find some best practices from them that you will find value in yourself wonderful. But it's not your obligation to take on their expectations. Yes we have a question here from ashley in chicago illinois. it's been about four months and still job searching and haven't pain across anything haven't been applying to the same field that it was previously. And because i didn't joy the pressure and stress of not having a job is getting to me and i feel like despite the boy and try to find another job in that same field until i read a blog on your website saying but being laid off was the greatest thing that happened to you so ultimately my question was. What are your next steps that you took after being us and did you have any fears when you're going through this process. And if he did how did you handle them. 'cause i'm definitely furling it ashley. I totally relate with that fear. Because when i first got laid off i mean i did do everything i could to pay off as much debt as possible to Get a car. Payment gordon my mortgage. I did as much as i could to save some money to give myself some time to really figure it out but ultimately you know there was a certain point where i was thinking to myself. You know what. Maybe i'm going to have to go get a job. Just a saint sustain myself and pay the bills and there was no shame in that. No i mean ultimately could have been a barista. I mean we talk about that often. One day josh. That's what we're gonna to do. We're going to be baristas eventually. But really i took on a job. 'cause i was in sales i took on a job selling a decomposable plastics right. I remember that for a company so that wasn't my dream job. That certainly is to do the rest of my life. But yeah if you're feeling the pressure of having to pay the bills then you might have to go cut grass. I mean i'm just throwing something out there ashley. I'm not literally telling go cut grass but you know you might have to do a job. That is just a job in the meantime and there's no shame in doing that. There are two sides to the equation. Right it's it's the amount of money you make and the amount of money you spend and of course you can get your expenses down as low as close to zero as possible. That's what you and i both did. I moved to a much smaller apartment. Yeah When i left the corporate world back in twenty ten twenty eleven while twenty eleven is when we both left the corporate world and and so i remember when i walked away from that i had paid off the vast majority of my debt. I sold my house. I sold cars. I paid off my car. The last car had left and no credit card debt got out of all the death that i could reduced all of my expenses. I didn't even have home internet home. Cable any of these things because they weren't necessities for me right. Let me tell you what necessity was for me at the time and it still has today. But at the time i realized what was actual absolutely essential to me was my freedom And i'll tell you this. Freedom is actually terrifying as well. Yeah because we think of freedom as one thing. It's doing whatever you want whenever you want. That's not real freedom. Real freedom involves some sort of self restraint right because if you can do whatever you want whenever you want that's hedonism. That's not really what we're talking about here. That's that's a different thing. And and so i didn't simply walk away from the corporation. Do whatever i want whenever i want but i sort of did in the sense that once i understood the level of self restraint that required not spending excess money then i was able to identify what my absolute basic needs. Were what do i truly need. What is essential to live the life that i want to live. I'm david feel like i'm depriving myself temporarily. It's almost like a withdrawal from consumer purchases. Right in fact that entire year one of the ways that i started over twenty eleven i needed something to write about on the website. So i said i'm gonna have a new year's resolution. I'm not gonna buy anything new for a year. I failed with that. But i was a wild success in a different way. It was an awesome lesson. Exact not just for you but for for many people Man i totally lost the thought. I was gonna say i thought. Let me keep going here. So when i'm talking to to ashley here about the stress and the fear yes. There was a lot of stress in the job that i was in. Yeah but just because you you leave. That doesn't mean all of a sudden your life is going to be stress free. In fact there will be different stressors no matter what we do is going to be some sort of stress in our life and sometimes we look at that as good stress or bad stress. Our body doesn't differentiate between the two by the way stress stress stress. Yes indeed and so. When i when i think about that i also think about the fear and i knew from me. The there was actually a different kind of fear it was. I was more afraid to stay than i was to go. In that snares of starting over from me became easier certainly became simpler when identify that fear of staying. I out five ten twenty years if i kept down this path. I told myself. I'd be different from near the bosses that i worked for or the other corporate executives in the company but the truth is i wasn't going to be considerably different. I was headed down the same exact path. I was going to end up in similar or the same destination and that was more terrifying than the fear of the unknown in really. That's what ashley is talking about. Here is the fear of the unknown. Well how do. I deal with the fear of the unknown. I asked myself a couple of questions. What is the worst thing that could happen. Okay that's an obvious one. But i always couple that with. What is the best thing that could happen. 'cause we always move toward that catastrophic thinking in. It's okay to try to understand okay. What is the worst thing that's going to happen. Because it's probably not as bad as i actually think it's going to be. But what is the up side of me making this decision as well. Absolutely you know when you approach things that way you usually end up falling somewhere in the middle you know maybe not right in the middle but but pretty close to the middle. Remember what i was gonna say. When josh and i left our jobs we did get like a little bit of severance. But you know we had with that. Severance was like six. Maybe seven months worth of bills. It wasn't It wasn't like we had people assumed. Because i've i've had this twitter out. Were like oh. It's easy for guys. Who had you know. Hundreds of thousands of dollars saved up yet so I bring that up because yes it's important to have a savings. Josh often talked about having that that six month emergency fund. That is but that's why that emergency fund is so important is because when you're in a position like ashley is you have some time to kind of figure things out. Now she's been for four months Again ashley might be time to find a job to pay the bills. But that doesn't mean you're giving up that just means you are surviving. You're paying for the bills that you need to pay for instill while you are making that that earning however it is It's it's it's totally possible to start looking for something that is more appropriate for your life that you wanna do. And what direction are you headed in. So when we're talking about starting over that's really what we're talking about is where identify new direction in his generally it can be but is generally not a one hundred and eighty degree shift for some people. It's a five or ten degree shift in a different direction and all that. But that's not that difficult. No it's not but a year from now five years from now ten years from now a five degree shifts puts you in a radically different location than if you were to stay on the same path. If you weren't to start over you just stay on the same path. You're going to end up in a place where you may not want to be but a slight shift can take you where you wanna go absolutely so i shall send you a copy of ryan's in my last book. Wrote a book called everything that remains and it is the story of the two of us leaving the corporate world to suit and tie corporate guys and sort of jettisoning their stuff but also leaving behind that lifestyle of clinging and status and trophies and so-called success and achievement for a different life a life. That was more appropriate for us. It's called everything that remains. If you like our podcast you'll like the audiobook version of that or actually if you want the book or the e book version of that. We'll be happy to send that to you as well. Sean if you reach out to ashley and sent her a copy of everything that remains. I appreciate it. We have a question from allie on facebook. When you're starting over from scratch and you realize you can't do it alone. How do you get over your pride in. ask others for help So here's the thing. I i i would. I don't know. I want to hear what you have to say about this because i think you and i might have a different perspective maybe Well i mean. Do i need any one no But it certainly makes things a lot more. I want to say easier. But that's not. It's it's i wanna say more meaningful but i feel like i use that word way too much but having people in my life at enhances my life. Maybe that's why so having people in my life is an enhancement so for me like i know that If i am in a position where. I don't have a lot of people in my life. I will have to reach out. And i will have to foster some relationships to enhance my life. But here's the thing is if you're going out of your way to add value other people's lives there is no shame in asking for someone else to add value to your life. I mean that's really how you can do this in a way. I mean maybe there's always going to be a pride thing there I don't know what to say about the pride except for get over it. It's it's going to be better if you have people in your life If if it's a guilty feeling like you think you're taking advantage of someone will. Then that's a symptom of something that maybe you should look at So how can you ask someone for help. And not take advantage of them. Maybe it's you know Hey i'll bring you over some groceries I need some help watching my kids. Whatever it is You know find some way to add value to other people's lives that way when you ask people to help you out you've already kind of laid the groundwork for a for a relationship that is is a give and take. It's not just take. I like what you said about enhancing because making that distinction between yes. Our relationships will enhance our life. Sure but as soon as we need that help or that relationship is a longer enhancing his hindering our life and so making that distinction. I think is really important so let me go back to question here when you're starting over from scratch and you realize you can't do it alone. That's not true. I i would actually say that you can only do it alone and the people will then enhance or amplify all your life. But they can't do it for you so often people come to me and ryan especially when we do our live events which by the way. They're they're starting up again really soon. The minimalists dot com slash tour. We're going to do a bunch of live events coming up but people will come up and they'll say i. I wish i could just bring you guys over my house and you could do this for me in alley. I want you to be careful. I know what you're thinking right now but that it can often turn into that really quickly. Like oh yeah. I'm just going to get other people to do the work for me. Well yeah. I come over and declutter your house for you. It's going to be cluttered really quickly. I think about the people who asked me for help in my life and there are people who are working their butt off. They are doing everything they can and they reach out to me and ask for some help. Maybe it's just some coaching. Maybe it's for a alone or whatever it is. I have no problem helping someone out when they are putting forth the effort someone who isn't putting forth the effort and asks me for help. I'm still totally willing to help them out. But there is a different feeling of and also a different way. I'm willing to help them out. So if someone comes to me and ask me for for money for example if a family member or friend they're asking me for money I see that they're not being very responsible with their actions. I'm i'm less likely to be like. Oh yeah here's money. But if i have a and i have had a family member who working their butts off. That has happened to get into some type pinch. Hey can i borrow some money yet. No problem they paid me back. No problem That other family member who isn't really putting forth the effort. I know the probably not going to pay me back. And i tried to live by the rule that you josh with you. Don't really lend friends or family money. Can you give it to them. You don't expect to get it back in but if you get it back great because it ruins the relationship with all of a sudden now. I have expectation. I'm lording over you and say well you know. Even if even if i i don't bring it up constantly it will come up in my mind. Like oh yeah ryan still owes me fifty bucks or whatever right and why would you let that ruin. A friendship and so needing help is different from asking for help. I'll ask friends for help all the time. Sean helps out a lot. Jordan helps me. You help me out. My wife helps me out. My daughter never helps out with anything. She hopes drive you crazy. Yeah and she complains the whole time while she's doing it three helpful. Thank you know but in all seriousness. I can ask for help. But the moment that i need that help. I can't do it alone. Well all of a sudden what that tells me is it's disempowering narrative and i'm outsourcing my own abilities to other people. No i'm able to do this on my own. It's am able to do it a little bit easier if other people help me al. Absolutely yeah in this man. I just want to be careful. Because i don't wanna lake guilt trip. Someone who is like. Yeah but i do need help for x. y. or z. That's that's fine. Like if you can truly look in the mirror and say i need this help like that's okay. I know like worst case scenarios. Like a paraplegic right. I need someone to help me out a better. Whatever it is like there are certain cases where Yeah it'd be better if you can do it on your own but maybe you do need some when. I broke my back You know. I didn't necessarily need a mariah's help no you didn't need it but it was helpful but it was incredibly helpful and it saved me from further damaging my back. Because that's that says like we break your back you have to lay down and let it heal. You can't be walking around on it and you know pick and stuff up so So i needed her help in the sense that it helped me heal But i totally agree with what you're saying man for ninety five percent of the time. It's something that we should be able to do on our own and we bring someone else's someone else in it enhances the situation But yeah i again just like trying to not guilt trip. Anyone who like might might be in a position where the like but no. I need my sister to watch my kids. So i'm good or i don't ever excuses even the best. Excuse excuse you ryan with tommaso. You know tom it is. It is time for the lightning round where we answer your text messages. You can text your questions and comments to nine three seven two zero two four six five four s edina during the lightning rounds for ryan and i do our best answer questions with a short sharable less than one hundred forty characters who put the tax to these minimum maximums in the show notes. So you can copy and share our the answers on social media. If you like and now you can find all of our minimum maximums in one place. Minimal maximums dot com. Oh by the way ryan that number that you shared with folks nine three seven two zero two four six five four. They can text that phone number with questions. You and i respond to that text and emoji to us as well. The thing that you've gotten rid of most recently will respond back to as many people as possible and will send you our monday morning minimum. Maximum start your week off a little bit of simplicity. Yeah i i'll tell you what's nice about that. Number two is people have access to some things i that they normally wouldn't have access to like just recently We were filming some trailers for some stuff That were working with netflix. Nothing is inked. So i don't wanna talk too much about that. But we needed extras. And we're able to send out a text and say hey we need extras and if you weren't on that list then you wouldn't have received that ask so we had a dozen people here locally you came out. We had about thirty people who won the show up we we we selected about a dozen of them and now they're going to be part of this film project working on. Yeah anyway. Linda has a question for linda. Writes in when you're starting over with nothing. How do you live without sentimental stuff in your life. Well and i can start with a pithy answer and then we can try to unpack it together here. My pithy answer is this minimalist. Don't focus on owning nothing. They focused on owning only that which adds value to their lives. And of course. That's it's personal. There is not the list of the one thousand things that you should own or the things that will serve a purpose in your life because that which adds value to my life may not add value to yours and in fact even the things that added value to my life ten years ago five years ago. Ten days ago may not add value to my life today and so it's constantly questioning. It's constantly identifying that which adds value so back to her question. Here when you're starting over with nothing. How do you live without sentimental stuff in your life. Your question presupposes that you should live without sentimental stuff in your life but of course there's no such thing as a sentimental item. It's set the mental if we if we impart sentiment onto it and so a item that a sentimental for you linda or an item. The sentimental for ryan probably is not going to be sentimental for me at all is because i'm not assigning that same value to the item that you are and it's not wrong that you're doing it. I just wanted to point out that if everything is sentimental than nothing really is sentimental if everything is precious to you the nothing is precious. I could tell you the thing. I did with my mom stuff when i brought some of it back. I got rid of most of herself. I brought some of it. Back to ohio when she was down in florida after she passed away and when she passed i realized i had to sort through this sentiment mental items and she had thousands and thousands of things. You could easily consider to be. Oh yeah i should hold onto this just in case and Yeah i might want this giant bed frame later. This huge antique dresser like they're nice things. They're certainly sentimental items. I would get some value from it too as well right so it wasn't just like it. It was a waste to hold onto it. I would even get some value from but just because you might get some value from a thing is not a good reason to hold on to the thing and so what. I realized that. I got rid of most of the sentimental items and kept a handful of sentimental items. I got far more value from those few sentimental items. Kept then if i were to water them down with ten thousand sentimental trinkets you were talking about these these holding onto these things just in case they become sentimental one day. There's something there with just in case not just just in case items but just in case sentimental the case i decide for this to be sits on mental one that yeah what do you got for us. Here's my pithy answer. Minimalists focus less on surviving and more on thriving So what that means is if you are not going to thrive getting rid of all your sentimental things then. Don't get rid of all your sentimental things. What a great question. How will this help me. Thrive yeah all my god. That's because that question. Illuminate so much because a lot of these things were hold onto. And they're actually we kinda dread them. Yeah but it sentimental but yeah but if you dread it is it worth holding onto. Yeah but it was important to my grandpa right. And that's wonderful that he found so much value in it. Yeah and he certainly wouldn't want it to weigh you down and so you can find a new home just because you're not find value and it doesn't mean that someone else won't find value in it. There are thousands of other homes that could find value in that thing and so in a weird way by holding onto my mom's stuff. I would have been selfish if i just held onto those things from my own sort of gratification or edification just sitting there and storage not being us. I mean you're doing a disservice to your mother. 'cause you're not even using the things that she was using but then you're also doing that disservices. Someone else who might be able to actually take that bring it into their home and Add value and ultimately. I'm doing a disservice to myself. Because i dread it. It's weighing on me. The psychological calls the mental costs the emotional cost of holding onto these things that i know deep down my heart are just getting in the way young man. That's not a cost that i'm willing to pay anymore. And so for the sentimental item that you give value from wonderful. I'm not saying you should live your life without those things. Those things enhance your life. But the other things if they're getting in the way if they're not helping you thrive as ryan says well. Maybe it's time to let those things go round. We've got a bunch more things to talk about ba. I what do you got for us. Here are some voicemail comments and insights from our listeners. Check him out hi guys. Caroline calling in from gauges berg maryland. You get for all the folks who are trying to be minimal and their makeup consumption and usage for example. I have dark brown shade of ice shadow that he used as i said. Oh i don't let our end in eyebrows doesn't much as lasting and no one notices. I are brown. Liners are actually is headed. You can also use lipstick for your lips and teeth as much a small line across much each info breath for blush as for my skin care routine. I've been struggling with acne for over ten years. After spending literally thousands of dollars on four face wash products had decided enough was enough. I see my kitchen my kitchen for some face care solutions and wash my face with the warm water and sea. Salt solution just cleared my acne tremendously. I also use a honey or elevator. Plant mask for fifteen minutes every week to hydrate my skin just to make sure this is l. era directly from a plant. Not the jelly using your sunburn totally different and the latter is still along those lots of toxins and chemicals depending on where you get. Please don't put that on your face. lastly do break at one drop of essential oils. Aren't you a wet reusable cotton ball and rub it on the acne spots serves as a diy Acne treatment see room. That is giving you great results. So i hope this helps insurers use samples of how minimal makeup and skin care routines possible and effective. Hi my name. Is lisa benson and i'm calling from wall san match. I've been thinking a lot about susan years when you go on a trip league or recently our ten came out to visit us and she bought something small for every family member to show that she's thinking when she was visiting and traveling But i'm thinking of a different way that you could show that to a friend or family member without having the violence something which is They give you something small to take with you have you to join or treasured. Object or whatever and You take a picture of that. That object Some landmark or special place in moments and you share that sorta with them so it's like a piece of them whereas with you on that trip all right. We're going to begin again. This thursday on patriot on the maximum episode on the minimalist private. Podcast you can check it out. Patriot dot com slash the minimalist. But first real quick for right here right now. Here's one thing. Or maybe two things going on in the life of the minimalist ryan and i have a new book coming out. I'll hold it up if you're watching it on youtube. It's called love people use things. This isn't just. Our tagline is now a book but it's really the north star by which we've we've used to navigate our lives over the last decade or so right because unfortunately in society we're taught unknowingly to treat people as though are transactional treat people like things. Treat things like people. We love our things and we use people a man that is so broken. And so what we've done is we've written a book about this. It's a relationship book but it's about the seven essential relationships in our life it comes out july thirteenth you can pre-order it now but that's not the right here right now what i wanted to let you know if you preordered the book you can attend our event for free. We're doing a virtual tour stop worldwide tour. Stop so head on over to the minimalists dot com slash tour. That day that the book comes out july thirteenth. We're gonna have special guest or when raphael mcmanus. 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"This episode of the minimalist is brought to you by men's warehouse. You're gonna love the way you look ryan. I guarantee it actually. You're only going to get that job if you're watching this on youtube this episode of the minimalist podcast is brought to you by nobody because advertisement suck ever scene. Think that shmuel me every little thing you every little things just feeding your a that you fine without hello minimize irs. Welcome to the minimalist podcast. We discuss what it means to live a meaningful life with less money josh fields milburn. Non ryan nicodemus together. We are the minimalist ryan. Today is the day. Are you ready for the big reveal. Heck yeah we've been well. We've been waiting for months to finally reveal our new studio. We have a gift for you. We have a present for you. And we're going to unwrap it right now. Yes here we go. let's do. Oh my god look at that. If you're not watching this on youtube you're just listened to the audio. You may want to pan over. Just take a look at our brand new studio space. Youtube dot com slash. The minimalists podcast. You can find our podcast there or any of our clips over at youtube dot com slash the minimalists. We're gonna talk about the studio here in a second. But before that ryan. I wanna talk to you about re cluttering. Have you ever deep cluttered a space but then felt compelled to fill it with new things. That can be dangerous once. We've excised our excess. The last thing we want to do is re clutter our lives with new possessions new burdens new obligations today. We're going to talk about how to avoid re cluttering our lives with excess ryan. I thought this is the perfect episode to do this. We've been waiting to do this. Re cluttering episode right because we moved into this new studio space. We have a brand new studio audience here by the way Yeah we have mallow bama emigrant and danny known around here somewhere Hiding behind the cameras. Of course jordan. No more podcast sean. Or all here. And what's funny. Is we have some people who have been moving to los angeles. We moved to this new studio and the space as we move into. They tend to be empty. Yeah and so the first thing we wanna do is what recliner it fill. It was stuff. that's right. oh i empty. If this space is empty we've been very careful taking way longer than what we initially thought we were like. Hey maybe we'll get like two episodes without wrapping paper behind us and it was fine. It worked well for a season but we knew we were going somewhere else with it. So we're we're roughly seventy percent of the way there. We've got this beautiful artwork here by bulow. We're gonna talk more about beulah and a little bit later. She is the wonderful artists also interior designer behind our new studio space. We'll talk more about her. Also shout out to evan cox who does all of our lighting. He came in here and has made things look beautiful. We stopped quite a bit to do with our lighting. all right. yeah evans's vont man. He's a total genus. he sees things with lighting. Yeah that it's almost like he's he. Has you know the sinister. They can play music and they see colors with lighting. Somehow somehow. Yeah and i just remember the first time he was in here he did. Some things with the lighting And didn't look any different to me. And then jordan showed me on the camera side by side. I was like oh my god. I had no idea. Josh could look that handsome advocate for mega. Look about thirty six percent. More hanson's camera. It's all camera tricks by the way we have some new camera equipment upgrading to four k. Real soon as well for youtube or we're trying to do is we have a message year that we've been talking about for ten or eleven years. We've refined that message and make it look beautiful as our friend erwin. Mcmanus says beauty is essential. Wanna bring that forward in fact. We're often inspired by some of the art that they've done over at mosaic and seeing the art they've put forward in all of their creations. And how can we also make what we're doing. Look beautiful one last person to shout out big. Thanks to tim who you have not met your out of town last week. from wove arts. He's the guy who hung all of this artwork in made this space look like a beautiful art gallery. Yeah he did. A great job is that is that the guy that you were talking about. Danny oh awesome. Yeah he's he's amazing and really talented. Artists really understands art history. Just a beautiful soul beautiful person and So we're working with an amazing team here. To make beauty of we're gonna bring beauty to the forefront of everything that we're doing this year and into the future but we gotta be careful because beauty is not the same thing as well. Let's fill the space. In fact we've done the opposite we've been very deliberate about not overflowing this space with new things. All it's so easy you come in here especially when we first walked in here it was like an echo chamber remember. The first time we saw so mike he brought him the sound panels. Mike over at la sound panels and and probably these are shouting people. There's no sponsorships here or anything like that. We pay full price for all these people to to help us out. But what's beautiful is working together with this team. What we're trying to do is well. It was a beautiful message that has worked really well for audio. But how can we pull this forward into a visual representation and you see that in our homes as well. That's by the way wearing these suits right now. It's a celebration. How long do you think it'll take before. I spoke off your shirt. I tried to get ryan to where tuxedo t shirt today. Oh man i almost did. I almost didn't everyone thought it was a good idea. But i think ryan was just a little bashful. Oh i just wanted to give a beulah. And tim and then in everyone else the respect that they deserve and i thought you know. I don't don't put on a tie often. But i'll do for their work. Okay yeah yeah. It's it's a beautiful beautiful day that we finally get to unveil this and you'll see over the coming weeks and months. We still have a whole lot more in store for you. You can listen to the audio version. Keep listening to the audio. I'm not trying to say go do something different. Where we wanna do is bring this beauty forward. Bring some art into everything that we do. We'll talk more about beulah. And her art work. A little bit later on this mental episode ryan. I'm gonna talk to you about re cluttering and on the maximal episode this week. We're gonna talk about twenty-five boundaries that prevent a cluttered life that can be cluttered with things but also clutter with relationship. Clutter career clutter emotional. Clutter at the big one for me emotional. Clutter so i wanna talk to you about that on the maximal episode also on patriots. This week wanna talk to you. More about voting. We had a conversation last week about voting and i had some additional insights but really some additional questions. I wanna talk to you about as well as voting. Actually the problem. I don't know What see yes and no. Oh okay well. let's talk about it. But it's also recent maximal episodes over on patriot. We didn't episode called the opposite of hoarding. And we did one. Call the digital declutter challenge. You can check those out. Patriot dot com slash the minimalist. But let's get into this episode ryan. We have a facebook question from delray. How do we address re cluttering with loved ones and roommates. Who seem to see our clean spaces as places to dump their stuff. That doesn't have a home. yeah i think. That's what fascinate about this. I think we're all of this way to some extent. As i mentioned earlier you walk into an empty room or i know. Danny's moving into a new place right now. I just saw pictures of his new apartment. It's beautiful it's a small apartment and when he's realized like oh i have too much stuff for this space. Had too much stuff for my life. Maybe but it's especially obvious when i move into this space but whenever we move into a new space what are we feel all. I have to have the things that i'm supposed to have. I have to have a couch a half to have a bad. I have to have a dining room table. I have to have a blender. I have to have a george foreman grill and all of a sudden the list goes on and on and on and a lot of this. These are non essentials. The question about a nonessential is will add value in my life. There's nothing wrong with having non essentials but many of these things are actually going to get in the way. And i think that's where desharnais is right now other people's stuff is getting in your way and maybe it's driving crazy a little bit Do the counter is like my biggest put. Everything they're like mike. We'll get the counter. Like nice and clear. The kitchen garnered is nice and wide and all that does is attract everything that i don't have like an exact place for but what's really cool is like mariah and i we try to keep it as clutter free as possible for some days. We do better than others. But we're constantly working together towards the same thing so like we we. We know what we want. We know our preferences We have conversations about it and it's usually her getting on me about stuff but sometimes like her art stuff will be out. I'm like oh hey do you mind you know taking care of this or sometimes i'll take care of before. Yeah but Yeah with with loved ones. It might be a little easier with roommates I had that roommate from haiti's back in ohio and like there was nothing i could do to like. Help him or to yet to make him see that he needed to take care of our personal space rise. I eventually moved out. Which maybe that's not what does The desert needs to do. Here's move out. Maybe you could certainly have a conversation at first but you know i had a lot of conversations with them and it just ended up not working out. I have some insights from anthony. Danilo that i think might help does raise from his book. Rediscovering life and this section. This is from page sixty seven. Nothing in this world upset. You get your get your soul ready for a shock here it comes. I say it just like it is. I'm going to lob the bomb right into your mitt midsts. Listen to this nothing in reality. Nothing in life. Nothing in the world upset you. Nothing has the power to upset you. did anyone ever tell you that all upset exists in you not in reality you can underline the word all all of it all of it all of it. All upset is in you not in life not in reality not in the world. it's in you just understanding. This has changed the lives of people one hundred and eighty degrees just understanding this and no more reality not. Upsetting reality is not problematic and if there were no human mind there would be no problems. All problems exist and the human mind. All problems are created by the mind. Somebody said to me in denver last summer. Wouldn't there be some problems that existed in reality and not in me. I said to him if we take you out of there where the problem no problem now to me. This truth is so simple. A seven year old child could understand it. But i've met people who are doctors and all sorts of other things and they never understood. It never understood it. They just took it for granted. Problems exist in the world. Problems exist by problem. I mean something that upset you. Okay i repeat that by problem. I mean something that upsets you. People think the problem exists in the world. They think that exists in other people. They think it exists in life. No no no. It's in them simple as that Nothing has the power to upset you. it's like freeing away it's like I don't know it just helps you. Look at any time. Get pissed off like you can really ask yourself leg. This person upset me or have have they just said something that you know. Were anger arises in me right. And i don't know why but with all this lake the mystic stuff. I always go to because like anthony. Mellow of speaking in an absolute there with there are no one can upset you so with any absolute just like people do with what we talk about with minimalism. it's like i look for like the Oh it's the exception to the rule. And when i'm starting to be more and more comfortable with is that that's life man. There's exceptions to rules might be. Yeah but i think what he saying there is the problem will always exist in you because if you didn't exist that problem wouldn't exist in the same way the worry the upset The the the experience that you're having and so desert. I the reason i bring this up is not to say well the problems all yours deal with it. I'm saying if we realize that we're not reacting to this emotionally and we can react from it. We can react to it in a way where we actually understand the problem. Is it really a problem. And if so. We don't have to emotionally rack because that's where a lot of these questions stem from you. Wait to the point at which you are exacerbated by the problem because when it was just knowing that you a little bit how they keep putting their keys on the counter and it's frustrating. You don't say anything but then there's the pile of mail there and then there's all the flat surfaces start to have different things on. There's pizza boxes and beer cans soda bottles and all the stuff. That's all over the house. And now you've reached the boiling point. Yeah and you've been upset the entire time realizing that. Oh that upset arises in me. Why because i have a particular desire. I've particular expectation. I have an attachment to a clean house and understanding that is i think is the antidote to be upset by this because as soon as you're not upset by now you can talk to the people and say. Hey i have certain preferences. I also understand that you have certain preferences and let's find out where those preferences can converge now. It may be that you have a roommate. Who is awful relative to your preferences doesn't fit with your preferences that's where you were ryan your roommate. We'll call him jeff. Jeff was not able to meet your desired preferences and we can either say well. It's all his fault. I can blame him but a real sign of maturity is to not blame anyone for anything realize like oh if i remove myself from the situation than i've removed the problem from my interior life as well. Yeah it's almost like desert can look this as I don't know if she's upset with it if if Discontent whatever it is a rise in her then. She has the choice to do something about it in. It's it's not in a way. It's almost not her roommate's responsibility to not make her upset. If that makes sense so let me. Give me an example. Let's say You know. I was wearing polkadot shirt. Yes and you elect dude that really bothers me you wearing a polkadot shirt. It would be fair. Be really upset right now. So so yeah. The the question is do i want to wear shirt based on your preferences or can i just look at you and be like. Oh i'm sorry feel that way right and just continue wearing my polkadot shirt. I mean it's the same thing with desert a roommate. She's asking her room. Hey can you please help me. With these preferences yeah But it's you know it's it's not i don't know i don't wanna throw it all on the roommate here. The other thing. I'm trying to get out to desharnais. I mean you might have to maybe tidy up a little bit of doing. Do something you know for your roommate to show them that. You are trying your best to like live within your preferences and Yeah i mean that's that's a little bit of a contribution in the way too. I mean i know that like she doesn't want to pick up dirty clothes on the floor and stuff like that means mean certainly are limits but but these are all things to consider. I think there are limits. But you get to define what those limits are and if it's going to make if you feel at this point in time it's best that you have roommates because it's the most affordable solution for you fine but understand their additional cost involved with that if you have certain expectations if you had the same exact expectations as your roommates no problem would arise within you. The difference right now is the difference in expectations and you're different than standard. You have a standard for you and then applying that standard to someone else is create an expectation for them Do they even know what your expectation is. A great place to sort of and so if they don't you might want to sit down with them and say hey. I have certain standards. Would you be willing to help me. Meet some of those standards and help me understand how i can meet your standards at the same time. Yeah and the best way relate to get people to help you out or contribute to your life as you help them the amount you contribute to their life like that's really going to spark that desire and your roommate. Would you be upset if i take this jacket off because i'm starting to sweat not at all all right. We've got a voicemail question here from hannah in hartford connecticut. I'm currently the journey to becoming zero. Waste which means that. I've been trying to put more value into the items out. I've heard you say that if your house burnt down wouldn't be a big deal because nothing in your home. Is that important to you. I guess my question is. How do i balance putting value back into my items or the things that i own and and not letting these possessions control my life so it seems to me hannity. You're asking how can you jump in the swimming pool and not get wet Here's the here's the thing. Let's use different word than value. Let's say attachment. I want more attachment to my items. Because what you're saying. Or maybe even meaning i want to impart more. Meaning of scribe more meaning onto my items. Well i they're gonna be more difficult to let go of right now you can let go of attachment and not an item. And that's what i'm talking about. She she misquoted us a little bit by saying hey if my house burned down i'd be okay because nothing's important to me. No no i've plenty of. All of my things are important to me. I don't have an attachment to those things. I don't treat them as disposable. And i think that's a different mistaking. Oh all my things are just disposable. That was the case while. I wouldn't have this glass right here. I just have a plastic cup and and dispose of it and same with the coffee cup. I would just dispose of that. Every time. And i don't treat things as though they're disposable but i understand that those things don't increase my joy happiness. They have no value other than the value. I assigned to them so handle what you want to do. Is you're asking. How do i assign more value to these things and also reduce my attachment. The thing i'm gonna ask about my possessions is does it. Add value to my life not that it has value but it adds value to my living my experience of life. Yeah no. I totally agreement. I mean she wants to make things more precious but not have the attachment and i. I don't think that's necessarily possible. I will say when. I think about all of the things that i have in the attachment. I don't have to them. It's really because i'm trying to sound cliche. Like i really love myself like a really like who i am. I feel complete and there are other things in my life that augment my life not just things but relationships as well and that is maybe a better quality question for hannah here is how can you. How can you fall in love with yourself a little bit more. How can you feel more complete. I will give you a hint. It has nothing to do with your possessions possessions. So that's why. I think about sentimental stuff i have. I think about expensive stuff that i had whatever it is it could burn up and yeah i mean there would be a piecemeal where i'd be like. Oh man like i. That's fine for twenty years and it was a gift from my grandma and users a story attached to it sure but ultimately I'm going to look at you. Know what mariah survive. The cat survived. And i survived. So you know. That's that's really what's important. Those are the true attachments that that i have right and we can. We can create an attachment to anything in quite often. We create attachments to everything hints hoarding. How we're all level. One hoarders to some extent or level. Too many of us. You can go back to listen to our hoarding episode about that and ryan identified like. Oh wow like especially in our previous lives before minimalism. We had many of the tendencies of level to hoarders. And what does that mean. It just means we picked up a lot of attachments along the way Now i want you to realize something. That's not someone else's fault it's not your fault either. You've been programmed to be attached to all of these things through commercials through peer pressure through your society and culture through friends family. Whoever it might be. They've had certain cultural conditioning that they've passed on to you and you've picked up a bunch of attachments along the way. Well how do you let go of letting go is not something you do something you stop doing so you don't have to let go of the item but to let go of the attachment you simply have to understand longer. Want to cling to it. You can find these things useful talk about sixteen rules for living with less hand if you wanna check them out. It's the minimalist dot com slash. Rule book you can download it for free and it's just a yearbook that you can download and check out the sixteen rules for living with less but a few of them come to mind and they really helped me with my own attachment to stuff the spontaneous combustion rule was the big one. So not your whole house burning down but let's take a look at one item. Pick up that toaster. What would happen if it spontaneously combusted. Would you feel now hurting. Environment is combusted. It's gone unless you say it's gone. Would you feel relieved. Well if you don't eat any toast yeah probably just sitting there taking up space right or would you replace it and if you said yeah definitely would want to replace this toaster. Great it adds value to your life but if you feel as though i need this toaster to be complete just saying that sends out loud will make you realize how absurd that attachment actually is and i love to give you a couple of tickets to our boston event. It's the closest event to you. We're going to twenty cities throughout north america. We're going to be in boston. And new york and dc pretty soon. We're going to texas and about a week or so. We're going to be in san antonio and houston and dallas and twenty six total west coast east coast. Midwest will be up in canada as well you can find all the cities at the minimalists dot com slash tore. Were definitely coming to a city near you and hannah. We can continue this conversation. There in boston tickets ryan. What is tom. It is time for our lightning round where we answer your text messages. You can text your questions and comments to nine three seven two zero two four six five four. yes indeed. you can also text an emoji to that address. I'm rolling up my sleeves here. It's getting really warm in the podcast. Studio b cool. You could tax it emoji to that. Phone number is well. Let us know the most recent thing you got rid of. But since we're talking about re cluttering today before we get to holly's question ryan. I wanted to say something about re cluttering. The best way to declutter is to avoid bringing the whole thing home in the first place you can tweet. That podcast sean. I think quite often the reason we go burden by our stuff by our obligations by people by ourselves by our expectations. We get burden because they pile up overtime. One thing is in a burn force. It's just one thing that i brought home but we do that. Three hundred thousand times and all of a sudden several decades later wondering okay. Wow one of my. I'm going to do with all this stuff. We're talking to a lot of people on clubhouse. Recently i've been doing these live events on clubhouse reading from our new book love people use things and then just answering some questions around the and it's amazing how many people are dealing with moving right now and moved during the pandemic and when they're moving to these new spaces they're always telling me the same thing. I wish i would have done ryan's packing party before. I moved because now i dragged all of these things with me in i'm cluttering my new home with things. I don't even enjoy. But i feel obligated. Why why do. I feel obligated. Well it's because someone said. I should have a couch. Or i should have a microwave or i should have a spare bedroom or i should have a walk-in closet or i should have closed. That are trendy right. I should own a suit. Yeah i didn't even think you all this is i. Don't the shirt that's right. He's not wearing pants. If you're watching go to the wide shot you know what man. It's so easy for us to become attached man. It's like it is just like there's something in our dna. I don't know what it is. But i don't think it is. I don't think it's in the dna But i think you're spot on We're we're steeped in it since birth. Basically we get fooled by it really easily. Yeah yeah so you think it's nurture over nature. I think the majority of so go back and look at hunter-gatherers like especially pre hodson foles. He's a with respect to. There's three things that they really value. I think it's paul gray. Has a book about this and especially with respect to just kids and you're raising kids and a more natural way. The three things that they value one is autonomy to is like freedom from possession or stuff so they actually have like value non attachment is the way that you and i would describe it. They don't have language around it because they don't have attachment interest if you don't have the thing you don't have the word for the thing that's why in freud like we have to borrow words from other languages sometimes or to describe the thing. Even though we have the most most extensive language of all languages right we start to borrow words from other gulf. Yeah i think there's something sean you know. The exact number podcast sean. My nose at two hundred twenty two hundred forty thousand words in the english language it's an obscene number of words and several dozen of them. If i read the dictionary have. I technically read every book ever written if you're watching on youtube that's my head. Exploding yes yes you have. You've you've You've downloaded all the wisdom as well. Right exactly it's funny thing we think about wisdom is we we think about experience but wisdom really is seeing things or how they are the same way we use all these words to to mean. Essentially the same thing yeah. I was having this conversation with chris. Kelly he has a podcast called nourish balanced thrive. He's been on our podcast before and i'm talking about attachment and how he's like. Well we need attachment. And i'm like okay. Say whatever you want. It's all the same thing to me. Attachment desire yearning lust. You could clinging. Call it whatever you want. What is the essence of what you're talking about if you're talking about little babies are attached to their mothers out of biological necessity. Of course they are right. The problem is we saw forty year. Old men who feel like they need to breastfeed right and and because we continue we just pick up different things to become attached to sure and so yes. Is there a biological imperative for attachment. Yes for babies and their mothers. no no doubt about that with respect to relationships or Especially things you look at pre civilized people and even like like personal property was like they weren't against it necessarily they just didn't understand it at all. We know it's interesting like they were there attached to community there attached to their their their friends. The relatives like that that tribe. Or and i would even call it a tribe because we're talking pre pre human are premodern human civilization right so a they truly were loving people and using things. Yes yes that's what matters. The most of them it was it was their community in. can you call that an attachment. Maybe but i think any of these things that we talk about attachment hope. Whatever it is like these are. These are tools. That i what i'm starting to understand the less i use them the less suffering. I have how bingo go. How ever There are sometimes that. I'll pull out these tools but i'll tell you one of those tools is the power of letting go and that is where a yet actually hand or desert it's like focus on or maybe learn to appreciate the ability to let go and see it as a superpower. Yes because that is really where i started to foster the whole attitude of of being willing to walk away from anything that willingness to walk away is freedom and if you've not saying you should value freedom many of us don't. We've imprisoned ourselves with white picket fences. And we we tie ourselves. We attach ourselves to a job so we can pay for the car that gets us to the job. And it's really strange equation right you and i did. It and the first car doesn't work. Maybe it's the second car upgrade. The limited edition trim package the bigger house. And all of a sudden we tethered ourselves attached ourselves. It's the reason i hate the word attachment is it. conjures up. Images of positivity om matach. The people i love okay. Well let's start to use words that might help you better understand your relationship stuff together. Clinging yearning suffering. These are words. The help me better understand my former relationship with things. I was suffering not because of the things. The problem is never the things right. The problem is never the things. The problem is always our attachment to things now ryan during the lightning round where we do. Is we do our best to answer questions for the short sharable lesson. One hundred forty characters response. Put the text of these minimal maximums in the show notes so you can copy and share our pithy answers on social media like in now you can find all of our minimum maximums in one place. Thanks to our good friends. Social jess there are minimal. Maximums dot com right. We got a question from holly. How do i figure out my why for reconnoitering. Okay so why okay. so maybe. Let me rephrase the question. Because i like the question. If i'm interpreting it correctly. I've moved into a new space Why do i feel so compelled to complete it to finish it to clutter it to fill it whatever word you want to use the essence of. It's all the same right. Well the why is always the same as well is. Because i feel some sort of emptiness in me if i'm re cluttering now if i'm filling the space with things that add value to my life then i'm asking different questions question right here. We're we're hearing this beautiful space and when we first came here it was complete already in a way we incomplete the space by bringing people and sounds and sound panels and cameras and all of these other things in here but we want to use the space used the things so that we can communicate something that we want to communicate in to do that. I look at. What is the sort of minimum viable way to do that. Because i don't we could have just kept the white walls and no lighting. No sound panels. It would have been echo. Always hell wouldn't have worked right And you and. I aren't against things i mean. We're celebrating with suits on right now. How ridiculous this right. I own one suit because beck's occasionally has impromptu funerals or something that she wants me to go to. She tends a lot of funerals man. Oh people we don't know she just chose the shows up. It's really passion. Don't funeral crashers. Yeah so sequel working on but so yeah. I own a suit. I used to own a bunch of suits for the corporate world. Even then had too many suits. What was my wife for re cluttering my closet. Then it was because oh one more suit will finally make me complete. I get this even now. I'm my my my one blindspot or jackets. Six jackets at home. Still we live in los angeles california. And here's the thing they all fit within all of my rules. Because i wear wear them all the time. And if in the ninety ninety rule. What could i have one jacket and one coat. Maybe yeah probably but i do get value from each of them and and so if i was hanging onto a bunch of jackets that i wasn't wearing well then they would be what they'd be. Clutter yeah and so if you have a bunch of things in your life that don't serve a purpose. I'll bring you joy in some way. That's what clutter is. There's something about having options because we were talking about this before we were recording the show in the corporate world i loved having my allen admins and the pair of shoes by the wo- right. Yeah it's a nice apparently really really a nice pair of Like leather shoes All types of styles. I could wear a different style every day for two weeks in a row several months exactly the the shows on youtube now the complex sneaker shopping show people's closets you could have come to our closets. A bunch of allen edmund shoes just sort of stacked up in absurd implement. I don't know. I've got this pair of alan edmonds on right now. One pair of allen edmonds. And i don't know if you had the same thing but i on several of the same pair of shoes oh with alan that back in the corporate days yes yes well there is again. There's something and maybe it is conditioning society. Just you know ruining our minds but having the options is like it's this little burst of ephemeral like. Oh yeah. I got plenty of options. Yeah but it's like it's never enough the jackets it's like you could probably get one more jacket find use out of it Yeah i mean. It's just. It's never enough. If i just had the jacket from back to the future self drying or air conditioned or self driving. Yeah i just need one jacket that we can do everything. That's actually the mindset. Goes into a lot of this right. This is going to be the final purchase. And here's the irony here. Ryan is minimalism. Actually helps me much more with that than consumerism. Consumerism is the ideology. The buying something will complete me or make me happy. Now you and i obviously know and people listening to this at home or on their treadmill or driving to work or wherever you are you know intellectually but the thing is going to make you happy you you don't know if you're yearning for is viscerally. You're like yeah but that may try to find out right. You know. I might be wrong about this intellectually. My heart knows best and my heart knows that one more jacket will finally make me complete however if if we approach it from a minimalist mindset a minimalist knows. I'm already complete. The stuff isn't going to make me more complete. In fact it's probably going to get in my way however some things if i buy it i'm taking care is taking care of that decision. Essentially forever permanently great example of this our friend. Frank who's first documentaries minimalist architect. We have a few minutes architects in the building. We work in as well. Greg christian downstairs and i've talked. I've had several conversations with them about this when a minimalist architect plans a home. They plan a home for the rest of the person's life. You take care of that. And even with frank in our documentary. The couch that he. He spent three years looking for that couch. Couldn't find it so he had built custom and the reason he did that he made a very deliberate decision. Once this decisions made. I never have to consider this ever again. The problem is we take that mindset into consumerism. All by this real quick and never have to consider this again and a month from now like. Why did i buy that thing. It's too big too small. it's too long too short. Whatever it is it doesn't fit me literally but also doesn't fit me. Psychologically emotionally and then i just pay the cost and so many other ways as a result. Yeah men. I got a pithy answer for you. What is the stuff doesn't fill the emotional void. It widens it. I borrow that from ryan. He said that in our last film lessons now on netflix and stuff doesn't fill the void in fact the void isn't real. We did a whole patriot episode about this. Genetic mccurdy called the void. Oh yeah the void. One is something that has been created by your programming by the construct spot by society so has been created by you but really by the programming that has been installed in you people around. You wouldn't experience that same void. Had you been birthed and raised on a deserted island by just your mother and immediate family. That void does not exist in reality. i've got a couple of a my first one is mo- possessions mo problems. Puff daddy. I think it was biggie. Right it was this something they did together. Okay yeah yeah. And so what i like about that. I love that answer. I think it's gonna work great as an integer for the show notes. Whatever our show notes your inbox sign up for email list over the minimalists dot com but mo- possessions mo problems because it's not actually the possessions. That are the problem. It's me that's the problem right. It's my programming. That's the problem but those possessions are a result of that programming and so it is still true. Because if i have more more and more and more and more if i yearn for more and more and more What does that do it. Shows displays it reveals my programming. Yeah yeah no for sure. I the other one i have is when in doubt go without. I think i've used that one before. I like it. But i mean that's really how i kind of look at things. It's if i'm questioning should. I shouldn't i if i can go without without. Yes ever you know look back and think oh man i really. I really should've got that thing. We should have done that. The late the wait for it rule. Yeah right exactly. I've really been wanting a pair of allen. Edmonds They're they're very beautiful shoes. I don't know how to describe it. I've been looking for a reason. And but but that to me is a symptom of lake. Oh you need to go without that. Especially when i'm searching like one guy wear them. Because i don't even know what i would wear them right when we celebrate art galleries art reveals. We're gonna have to open more art galleries just so you can wear some allen edmund right exactly well. Here's the thing about that. So i i. I'll give you three reasons to not get them. One is therefore less comfortable than any other shoes that i have. They're comfortable for dress shoes But they're dress shoes. You're not gonna go jogging them. No real slippery to there's another thing for you're gonna fall in these i have. I broke a hip once at bridge waterfalls in cincinnati ohio. Break your hip. Yeah remember yeah yeah my anyway. Yeah it was a hairline fracture. I had to larry's moment. I'm walking back to speak with jason ratliff and shout out. Shot the jason rally and. I'm walking with two cups of coffee. In my hand from pinera. I think it was or the bookstore borders skit. It was. it's winter and ohio. I'm walking back to his retail store. I got you a coffee and all of a sudden hit a patrick. Black ice in my elements vertical. I mean from vertical to horizontal immediately in the air hall fees up in the air. I wish we had a slow motion gift of this because it would have been perfect. But i don't alas it was two thousand eight and yeah oh my god that hurt and it was because of these shoes so there's a good excuse they're uncomfortable. What was the third one. Well you're not going to wear them right. Yeah that's the best threes in right there. All right so therefore they're not going to add value to your life. I wear these probably three or four times a year And whenever i wear a suit. I i wear this suit. One dress shirt like this and I have one blue tie one black tie and and that's it and Even then i look at it. And i'm like I'm i'm still constantly questioning. Does this still add value to my life. Why because it doesn't will then eventually what was valuable is now clutter. Yeah we got a bunch more to talk about. You got some fourth. I here are some voicemail comments and insights from our listeners. Check him out. Hey this is christina. Calling from waterloo ontario canada. I just wasn't your career podcast and wanted call to say how much i loved it. I think it's so important to find what you're passionate about and just go for it kind of continued to cultivate that passion and push through the lower parts. I actually started writing fashion blog. Back in two thousand thirteen and continue to grow from there. They said he'd be style coach and lawrenceville inside businesses pasta member. And now i work one on one with people to develop their own personal style. I've always been talking about promoting local shopping and my community. But i realized after listening to the podcast. But i'm going to focus even more on teaching my clients on how to shop according to their values more eco friendly and really help them minimize their closets. I just wanted to thank you guys for helping me realize this and for all you guys do. This is marlene cleveland tennessee. And i'm a newbie to your podcast and already hooked. Maybe it's because you spoke about one of my favorite subjects creativity. I wanted to share. How liberating it is that. You give people permission to practice family. When i learned the wisdom that the brick wall of frustration is the part of the creation creative process. It set me free once. I knew that this was part of the process. I could know where i was and go into the next steps of incubating my creative idea. Strategizing new ideas and collaborating with others so at that brick wall the frustration. I didn't quit and go home. But i kept at it seeing it through to the success moments also a tip on the half to versus the get to in your creative process one inquiry you could ask is the e task. Does this have ease not to be confused with easy because our life's creativity isn't always easy but does it flow. He's does it have great energy. And do i enjoy it. That's when you know in your bones that you are doing something you love our. Hr y'all we got a bunch. More surprise questions. Thursday on patriotic. That's the maximal episode on the minimalist. Private podcast but first real quick for right here right now. Here's one or maybe even two things going on in the life of the minimalist. So i teach a writing class three or four times a year. I'm teach it one more time. This year we changed. We re re-reported everything brought jordan and sean. And other sean sean. The hallak who is an adjunct professor over there at how to write better we reformatted the entire class. I'm gonna teach at one more time later this year. It's closed right now so you can't sign up for it but if you're interested in finding out more information you can download the free e book. It's called eleven ways to write better even if you're not interested in the class whatsoever you can download that e book for free you walk away with at least eleven different ways to improve your writing. It's how to write better dot org. You can also find information about the class over there as well as some testimonials how to write better dot org for added value this week ryan. I thought it'd be appropriate to talk about beulah. Heck yeah so you can follow beulah. She created all this beautiful artwork. She's also doing the interior design for our space. Do you know mike over. La sound panel was just hired her to create this zen garden area for him as well Because he has got this these recording trailers all these different recording studios where people record. Okay so she. She's going to design. He loved what she was doing with the space and he was like. Oh yeah i could use someone. Who's she has. This amazing i for aesthetics. And you'll see it on her instagram right away. But if you're interested in beautiful art for your home is well. She has a website and then she takes commissions and things like that gold morning dot com her website and in fact at some point when we switch out some of this artwork. Some of this in studio art work. This actual artwork work will be for sale from her eventually. But right now you can just check out all beautiful. It's stunning gold. Morning dot com now ryan. I thought we would end this episode. We're gonna have andrew bell on the podcast and a few weeks away. His new album just came out and it is. I don't even know how to describe it. Man it is a dream on vinyl or on record. It's been recorded dream. It's just stunning. And we're going to have him in to talk about the album but also just talk about. How do you. 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The technologies that power AI with Nvidia's Chris Milroy

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The technologies that power AI with Nvidia's Chris Milroy

"They I has a problem there's not enough data talent to fill the roles. Technology is creating quantum helps companies develop their key differentiator. There people, we enable organizations to deliver on the power of AI by providing tools to hire an upscale, a high performing workforce future proofing. Your workforce means leaving behind the old ways of hiring and training she hubs powerful platform to assess and develop your talent today by visiting get dot quantum hub, dot com forward slash beards or like the Lincoln our show notes You're listening to the big. Data. Welcome back to another episode of the big. Data Beers podcast I. AM Bread Roberts your hosts for today, and you know we've talked a lot over the last couple of months couple years around artificial intelligence and early taking a focus on the application and the use cases, and even some of the models and frameworks around the I one thing I don't think. We've really focused on talked about a lot is what's powering artificial intelligence from the infrastructure standpoint. So for today's episode, I'm super excited because we have Chris Milroy from invidia joining us in Chris's a senior data scientist for the public sector within video. So Chris thanks so much for joining the big day to your podcast. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. I'm super excited. So I just want to jump in and I kind of get your take in and videos take on the world or the state of artificial intelligence as it is today. Yeah absolutely. You know we see today kind of as the result of a couple eras of AI right so you know go back to the very beginning of computing we had the concept of artificial intelligence and in fact, even the term artificial intelligence. It's very old right. So when when they talked about that in the fifties and what they meant was, hey, maybe we can program tons of rules into systems and those rules. If we give computers enough rules of logic, and if we give it enough data that the logic and operate on, we'll have a smart system. It turns out that we don't really know how we think well enough to to kind of make that a viable general approach the. World send there's area of era of machine learning, kind of the eighties nineties where with enough data, right? You could make these models that could update themselves as they learn more about the world and that was that was pretty good. But the important caveat to that was you still had to have kind of been implicit model of the world that you were then updating with the data and one of the coolest things about the modern era of. Just mostly associated can have since two, thousand, twelve with. Technology of deep learning is that is precisely that you can have a much more general model, right? You don't have to have a lot of. Domain specific details to the math in order to still get really effective. Capabilities from data so that blast era the era of deep learning and what people come to call modern AI is really where in video took off as the core computing technology underneath it. And one of the neatest parts of that is precisely how widespread the general capabilities are right I don't have to. You'll get a bunch of domain together. Had Him sit down for a couple of months and at work on math draw from all of different disciplines I kind of have technology deep learning models then can be cross applying to lots of different domains with similar types of data, and that's what makes it really exciting for us how pervasive out ineffective these types can be. Yeah and you know when I think of AI and even more specifically when I think of deep learning jeep, US come to the forefront Ryan and the need and the use for jeep you. So explained wire GP is so important and what are they really being used for when it talk when we talk about Ai and deep learning absolutely, and it's funny right GP stands for graphics, processing, unit, and that's what we started with right in the nineties. That was the big thing that invidia invented in evolved right as technology for computer graphics. Processing. Processing particularly three. D graphics processing well turns out that algorithms from the eighties plus the kind of math that those graphics needed. We're really effective together right. So the math from the eighties was artificial neural networks and when you combine that with Matrix processing from computer vision. Of the three model generation capabilities, you got computer vision out of deep learning. So that was really what happened in two thousand twelve in particular You had competition called image net that literally just combined kind of well understood albums in a clever way with this newly available, very powerful GPS. And that enabled them to train these models in much shorter timeframes than it could before orders of magnitude short timeframes, and that pattern has continued where the the math that is at the core of modern ai is what jeep US started out being specialized, ass, and then beyond that one step in a GP is really a collection of specialized tools. It's got tools for graphics processing like video encoding decoding. Streams. It's got the matrix operators that are standard for computer graphics. Now, we've got you know ray tracing cores in them for doing a really photo realistic visualization. We've got a specialized tensor course there designed to do ai so that the whole point though is that collection of specialized tools, what are they specialized for their therefore, the things that people are trying to do in modern computing right and you premiere among. Those for many folks is deporting modern Ai Yeah and we think of modern computing is not just jeep though there is a pole landscape of you know what's out there for compute. So where would you place GPA news and what are they really fit in this computing landscape? Yeah that's a great question. So on the one end, right, we've got very flexible. Very, kind of broad spectrum processes, right. That's the standard CPU that you have in kind of every laptop, every desktop right and we still need those in Ai computer because there are a lot of things like the operating system that will run on that CPU that general capability. Right, and on the extreme other end of this spectrum, you have computer chips that can only do you know they're very specific function. So this is a six right application specific integrated circuits and they do their one function really well but then you really can't you know change them to do new things on fly and they also. They don't have the flexibility of that. You'd like to have in many cases right so in between there, there's a long spectrum and in much of that spectrum, these days is is where you used your views. There are lots of other chip architectures and technologies out there, and it's been really neat to see how the proliferation of I has led to people being inspired across the whole field. And one of the things I think it's been really interesting is the way in which different types of computing technologies focus on different parts of ai right GPS continue to be across all of the frameworks across all the models that people want to run right those. We've demonstrated in the performance competitions, for instance, cert that are very Doing those things. But you she kind of companies pop up that tried to take some specific approach and I think it was really interesting and worth watching. But at the end of the day jeep user kind of that broad centre right of compute that has specialized towards. But flexible enough to do kind of all of Ai. End with different flavors, right? Not just the GPS. That people are used to from their desktops for running computer games. Right but GP's for the data center to the. Flavors of the same core technology. The let it be used for whatever people are trying to accomplish with their AI. Yeah I was just thinking. It's it's really crazy how the technology's been around for twenty plus years now, right? and. More, organizations are beginning to adopt and to invest in this the technology and kind of had this be a part of their. Strategy read our tool set but I'm just curious you can you talk a little bit about maybe the evolution of of the GPO how how's evolved like from twenty years ago today? Yeah. Absolutely. So. Like we said in the nineties were really heavily focused on computer graphics right at the end of the day, you wanted to see some pixels on a computer screen and fundamentally what we're doing with Three D. graphics is we're taking triangles right the makeup these meshes. kind of rotating those triangles. So I'm looking at them for particular angle. So that was kind of the really the core focus in in the nineties. Well before ai shows up particularly in the early twenty tens. The next big shift was okay. You know what we really need to do is not just have individual. Graphics cards in say desktops. But Hey, if we put a bunch of them together, right if we focus a little bit more on networking them together into more combined capability, that's actually what supercomputer need right high performance computers HEC and so much of the story of the kind of two thousands was, hey, you can use these things for computer graphics weather for gaming as we did originally or for professional visualization, right? So movies let's say Rona do that computer graphics movies, but then it really shifted into this high performance computing route. and. So the kind of the things that we learned about that in particular it, there's it's not just the hardware what I think will really dig into Cheapie US have. Really powerful harbor. But on top of that, we've layered a number of types of software and what really changed the use of the GPU in the mid two thousand. Was the evolution of Kuda, which is the language that computers use to talk to their gp us. Right and so that was designed to make programming a jeep much more broadly available than it had been originally to computer graphics programs. Right? We call this general purpose GPU's, or of course GPGPU's because we need an acronym for sure. So that move into. Hvac then laid the foundations for happy with a in two thousand twelve right this kind of larger connected system of us. Getting some larger problem together. I do WanNa talk talk about the software and some other things that that make up a. but I'm also I'm thinking you in in the world we say we have a lot of different teams or data scientists that are using that have their training, their inference they're doing a lot of things, but maybe they don't need to take advantage of a full GP or maybe they don't need is often are there's our capabilities to maybe partitioning or allow you know for set of that GP to be used for a specific job or specific team, and then another team can take advantage of part of that other resource. I think that's also a trend that we need to start seeing as these jobs or these projects become more You know brought down to the teams like how can we would dole out the the resources needed for sure there at least three ways that that's I think really expressing self. So for a while we've we've been able to, we might think of his life timer compute share agp, right so whether that scheduling whether that's using a virtual GPU there are lots of ways to kind of take of you and then. Let. It be used by different people different times right or you know collaborative like that. That's kind of the traditional. There's also a ban the smaller GP's McCall The jetsons series they're they're designed for very low power. But. Very capable particularly a I work for lots of other things as well and it's it's probably a lot folks don't know that Invidia actually does make more than just GPO's we actually do make the CPU's that we then put into those those jetson series sports as well and So that, there's actually full systems. You can actually taking jetson board and plug hd my cable into it. See It on monitoring. You've got a little Lennox computer, right? So that's an interesting way for some folks to get a taste of. The power GP COMPUTING FOR AI. For for one hundred and twenty bucks, you can get a Jetson Nanno that then is able to do ai out the edge right with single digit watts power that you can still plug into your monitor and keyboard and mouse and operate as nick system but then the most modern version of what you're describing. Is just now in the. The GTC earlier this year, the technology conference earlier this year that our CEO Jensen announced the a one hundred pugh. One of the one of the coolest things I think for about the one hundred is it can be broken up each of the one hundred broken up in up to seven slices. They're called multi instance, GPO? Big. And those slices independently fault in default isolated. So you can have up to seven people ripe using their slice of the GPO in each of those slices is as capable on ai as like an entire previous generation generation GPO. So that's been really exciting for us to be able to enable teams to share GP inflexibly threat go from one slice seven slices and back up depending on the size of the problem they're dealing with. Yeah in in this world of in scalable and flexible dynamic. You know use a resources that's extremely important. But you know it's not just a GPO. We've talked to a KHUDA already we've talked about how the software stack it kind of helped bring out this this great technology and really make it even more applicable for a. so what else is there outside of the just the GPO that really impacts the these ai or these deep learning projects? Absolutely they're actually they're a bunch of layers. Invidia we sell hardware, right? That's fundamentally what we do. A lot of folks don't know that we actually have more software engineers than we do hardware engineers because like a discretionary GP, a specialized tool, and so we do with the software is make that specialized tool useful. So. We've layer all kinds of libraries on top of that of cool technology. And then the high level languages particularly python when it comes to AI tend to Inter operate with. Libraries that are specialized to run really effectively NPR news, and so that means whether that's a framework. I'm the you know the common ones for training a intense flow in Pie torch and so on. whether that's rapids for big data analytics. Whether that's a high performance computing code that runs off of lower level. KHUDA codes. Whatever that ends up being whether it's graphics of all of those capabilities in this kind of several layers in that stack of of software. That's one big component for us. Making software ecosystem that that makes PBS will, and then we just talked about a little bit as well. It's often not just one GPU that gets used to solve the problem right in many cases we need or you know a scientist needs right up more than one Jew. So particularly for large AI models right or huge amounts of data to train that an amount of time you combine the capabilities of bunch of GPS together. So we've seen. Hello. How connectivity? Network technology to be sure and also the software to power that has been really important in making us more than the sum of their parts Again, our CEO Jensen talked a little bit earlier this year about the rise of the DP you at the data processing unit. And how that plays a role in interning multiple nodes with GP multiple say servers whether on on apprentice system or in cloud into something bigger than some other parts and so that's where it kind of the really big AI? Models of the future are often being trained on you. Cloud system is on in particularly on big clusters with tons of GPS in them all work together. And this is where I think Mel Knox plays a very important role in the video portfolio. Now, obviously, that was a a big news of I, think it was it was last year early in two thousand eighteen, but you know that. Extends the portfolio. For INVIDIA. Talk about how are you guys looking at millinocket Knox and how does that play within the INVIDIA like core set? Yeah absolutely. So we've got a long relationship. We close that deal this year. Long relationship with Malnati's stay the power of the networking for many of the world's most powerful supercomputers I in particular right and. One scale is. A lot of their famous. Applications common and the other side of that is when you combine say the A one, hundred. GP. With a much smaller scale can networking capability right? Then, you have. The kind of power at the edge that we've seen in in really exciting ways rights, you can have the full power one hundred GPO connected back to your central data, center back to your cloud. With all the kind of encryption and data protection handling that you want for these insecure full spectrum systems. So that's been, that's been really neat and I think the integration of the the melanoma, and now video networking teams. Has Been has been praised. If you know we we see them they're. An integral part across the whole spectrum. They're not all of our. Meetings and as part of our teams in some sense, we think of it as kind of a big. Family. And I think the interesting part of that is how it goes forward and lets us build in more of a combined collaborative mindset on our side. Right we do when we have a really deep integration with data passing and data management on top of the data processing that are already providing. Two ads that collaboration and I know that we're not gonNA go deep into this today 'cause it's still very new We'll definitely have to have you back to to provide even more details in the future, but along that theme of it's not just the GPO. We want, to collaborate. We gotta talk a little bit at least about the arm acquisition that was just announced. So thoughts on that initial thoughts kind of what was the the process behind that Right so like I said. I'll leave the kind of strategy questions to the folks who work in that from the technical perspective. Ready captures this broader theme that GPU's are one in station of accelerated computing brought out. Broadly, we've talked about how you need ultimately hardware a connectivity in software, right? One of the things that we that we've talked about a lot or it is we think about how different technologies worked together. Is How do you make sure that there are of speaking the same language? Right. How do you make sure that you are a thinking about technology as you're developing another one right? We talk inside the GP all the time about Co designing elements of it with with other things happening ecosystem, for instance, the evolution of Ai. And look at the end of the day we recognize right. There's massive trend towards the need for low power high performance systems I g pews are certainly that. And connecting those with again other hardware or networking or software hip that enable. That that move, I think one of the things that we'll talk about in more depth is the shift from being a primarily datacenter question right or capability as it was in the early years shifting out to the edge. So that kind of AI capabilities become available everywhere I think that's a big part of this trend. Yeah and it's almost like I'm paying you to set me up for these questions and you know it's it's it's definitely a trend that I'm seeing as well as it's no longer just training and influence in the data center the edges where inferences happening. So talk a little bit about. The evolution of the edge. Yeah. Yeah. No question and you can think about a couple of kinds of edge are. So we've got your training that's still fundamentally happens primarily primarily in the data center in some cases on individual workstations. But you know there's there's kind of one layer of edge. We talk about this as the each yaks layer, right? So that's you know we think about it as like agp you or. GP's may be a couple of servers but look in a closet at some facility somewhere right it's not the gate of center. It's not a big high-performance cluster. It is designed take sensors or designed to take data and process it locally. So you don't have to send all of the sensor data back right So we're seeing that you know. Have with. People who want to sorting of of their inventory or items right so that that's the kind of thing that we might have all of those those sorting sensors feeding back to a local server, right? That's one layer of edge. But then the extreme edge right is when I have you know single digit or maybe low double digit wants available to me. And that's where against kind of this jetson family of technologies is really valuable. And it's been really cool to see what you can can pack into Jetson the we've seen. Hundreds each jetson even the smallest of them right the the hundred. Hundred hundred one hundred twenty dollar Jetson Ano- rick literally you're still talking about hundreds, of course. Break to hundreds of computational units and that is that's what enables. Them to have a single one of those to have say eight HD video streams and you can kind of imagine, right if I've got age video streams now I've got like a little robot we've done these competitions. Regular robot can then navigate itself around some environment an and that's pretty that's pretty crazy first of all of the second. One of the things we're actually. We've been working on in are actually presenting for the first time in the first week next month at our chief technology conference in the fall is. Putting brackets for high performance data analytics onto the jets, right. So for structure data for tables of data. In many cases. That's fundamentally what you're trying to work with. Right. You've got you know millions of rows of, let's say. Of Data from your Airbag, your inventory right, and you want to be able to do pre predictions out at the edge without having to go back to your data center all the time, and so being able to do that on a low power behind formed system changed the game for a lot of folks whether that's four Cybersecurity, right? Whether that's for retail that's for robotics I'll be able to make predictions understand the world right That's that's really exciting and I think that's been a big push is is how much can push forward to the edge as it gets so powerful? Yeah. I'm thinking smart cities is another great use case you know how can we you know in a camera be able to do this influencing where we can actually do object detection or classification or whatever you know image processing you need to do for the specific use case and not have to send it back to somewhere. You can actually do it there in in the compounds of a camera with the power that that camera needs. And then send the output of the the detection to to the data center. So I think that's another really interesting case where a power obviously space in you know coin coming factors well absolutely, and so let me give you an example of how this all works together then read. So you've got camera or several cameras right? Let's say an intersection. Several cameras monitoring traffic flow. And, one of the relevant kind of questions is are the people in that intersection or the cars in that intersection behaving in a typical manner for cars right like are they driving on the right side of the road? Are they going and stopping when the supposed to be going in stopping now? Are we talking cars driving in? Boston versus driving else because I'll tell you that we are never right side of the road up here in Boston and A great example. So one of the things you don't want to do is flag a bunch of local kind of you know cultural ways of driving. Let's say, right. So it may be the case that lots of people say take a take a bit wider tight, right lots of people whatever they do something and you don't want to flag. You know every time somebody does something this kind of culturally understood in an area, right that's common around the world, and so what's interesting is I want to be able to take my macabre run it through computer vision ball right there at the edge right there on the camera system at that intersection. And then determined for the cars that I've been tracking the intersection. If I've got trajectories right repeated observations over time in that video, if the trajectories are similar to other trajectories of cars in intersection. And that question is this trajectory similar to other trajectories is fundamentally what I described. There is a rapid question, right? It's it's a question for structured data analysis. Right have got observations over time. I can put those into a table and then I can say is that trajectory spatially Similar to other trajectories in this cameras field of view. The sub specific sub to wrap something called coups facials. What let let's that then happen at the same speed right that you're getting a data pulled off the cameras you can start calling out then hey, this is doing something we haven't seen before or something that we've identified as a dangerous trajectory. Out of this intersection. Yeah. That that's extremely interesting. I am a big fan of the all things smart whether smart homes have really like the smart cities type of use case No, it's it's a the term ai the it's been around since the fifties as you mentioned the beginning of the podcast. Where do you think seventy s years later like we we are at are you still classified as being in the infancy or kind of where you think we are asking question you know one of the things I've occasionally said about is that it's definitely artificial but questionably intelligence right and and one of the things I think folks need to understand about even modern AI models is that fundamentally what the computer is doing is building intuition. Right it in a very meaningful sense it's not like it's learning. Simple compact rules for how to make a decision. How to something to find something. Right it's learning by example, fundamentally the same way that we teach kids, by example, what objects are. And that's awesome for a lot of reasons. The biggest of which is humans don't necessarily know. What the right kind of rule should look like in. So we let the computer word by intuition things that we know ourselves but the challenge with that right is even though seventy years in. Really only eight years into using this modern deep learning capability. and. We haven't in some sense had an equivalent of a Newton. To lay out universals to identify. Principles for how these things will work upfront right where we end up having to do and a lot of is experiment and learn empirically whether some particular model or particular application works or doesn't. It involves a huge amount of art on top of the signs and that's that's put. A company that can make that happen like. You know successful but also means it's a bunch of challenges. To kind of really thinking this as mature science because again, there's there's still so much. Art and intuition in parasitism that's involved in development. So what would you say not having a quote Unquote Newton. Is. That's a roadblock is a hurdle were, what are the roadblocks that you're seeing to advance this along? Yeah, I. Do I think that's I. think that's that's made it hard to. To provide the kind of guarantees or guidance that science is usually able to provide people who are trying to use it. Right. So you know we take some physics and pretty good idea of how this is going to work, and so when I go to build a bridge I have a good idea of how to say while this bridge is GonNa. Stand up. And we were kind of learning as we go with with. Learning. How to provide those kinds of guarantees. We made a lot of progress in that space, for instance, in a Thomas Vehicles. But there are there are a number of roadblocks to to these kind of things one of which is as a consequence of those uncertainties. That's why you see a lot of folks get tripped up by ethics and fairness and bias concerns right precisely because again, there aren't simple ways to ensure that you're doing things right? It's it takes a lot of expertise and experience intuition, right? I. Think. We're also combined the roadblocks and hurdles topic. Think there are lots of Lots of ways that people have are saying, Hey, look, we've got these technologies recap is algorithms we in some sense several on them as like the you know future that we're not going to move pass right in many cases people are continually proposing novel ways approaching these are these systems one of the big challenges which is. The world's very big. There are tons of them and so figuring out which ones are useful finding those out literature isn't isn't trivial, right? It's just there isn't yet a common simple language that lets us be sure that we know all of those different sub fields that might be relevant given problem. So it it seems like you know in your thoughts that really to take the next deputy, almost the people in process. Portion and the technologies kind of there for at least next step right of see as we continue to advance all three of those needed kind of evolve in tandem but it's more. We're seeing people in process being kind of the blocks today. I think that's very absolu-. So. So think speaking of in you know we talked about the emergence of the edge or you know the evolution of the edge what are some of the other trends that you're seeing that are out there you know if you to look at your crystal ball, what's what's what's coming? Yeah for sure. Well, success point. Let's let's talk about you know people process, right I'm really excited at proliferation of of training programs and educational programs around I. I tell you, I've I've hired a number of folks over over several jobs into into labs and research. Units. then. They'll behave straight out of school and I'm just so impressed with the level of capability that schools are have helping students get to write. It speaks to the broad availability of these technologies speaks to how much modeling is happening in open source or in downloadable models we make available. A Huge Library of containers in models. For folks to just download stuff from the computer and start working on this technology, and so it's been really cool to see that. I think that the challenge that kind of run into one of the big open questions for me is, how is that going to integrate with a world that did not you know grow up with did not? Adopt early know many of these technologies in starting to see kind of the the process friction of how do we integrate those seamlessly into what are going to be you know for the foreseeable future hybrid human machine teaming interfaces I think that's a that's a really big trend is is kind of how we make that seamless. I'm not sure it figured out but I think that's really exciting to see that progress for sure. Absolutely I think one of the things that I've been seeing is a going back to you know kind of me some of the friction between people that kind of have grown into this a little bit more versus have not is embracing the output, her embracing the the power of this you know the process or the technology is well, are you seeing that also? Yeah. One of the kind of related. Challenges Bose is. That you have to kind of find the right amount of embracing the output right you need to simultaneous to be able to say, well, look there are parts are your experiences of the world for which we have a lot of confidence the asking to do it right and we need to have a good understanding of what circumstances will make it harder for you to do something. Right right given the nature of the algorithms technologies. That said. have in any case, don't have much of a choice, but to use ai or something similar machine learning of some kind of be precisely because the scale of the data flowing around is so great that instead of you know we think of like, okay, I need. To help me. Solve some some end user problem right? I needed to do computer vision at the edge like traffic house right? And that's that's not wrong. Right? That's certainly is kind of most of what We focus on as data scientists, but even just hand she had been to handle the data. To know what you have and how to you know what can be processed out of it the qualities of the date of the characteristics that even just getting your arms around that is such a big challenge at this scale. We focused a lot on how do you handle like etl processes loading data, cleaning it up. That is now on such a big challenge that we we started to bake our pipelines work. We then switch a lot of that stuff onto GP's right. You know I teach the class for high performance data analytics. That have it in video and Even just something as simple as hey, I, want all my first names to be entitled. Case Ray. Often be first over capital all the rest lower case. Even, that can take minutes on a traditional processor right in, so you shifted GPO too. So you can do it in seconds, and the idea is like again like these are these are you know baseline challenges that we get a terabyte pedal bike in higher scales you know their own problem before you get to that you know trained model and user stuff right? So scale has become. You know it was already big hence big data, but it's become an even bigger challenge because it's not stopped at all. Did ringling itself isn't the sexy part of data science. Is. Definitely, a foundation, right? If you don't have everything kind of. structured. Accordingly, your your models aren't going to be accurate or they're not gonNA give you the action that you need. So now, my I'm always reminded of asking six or seven or ten people just write down how you would write the date and then compare all and they're all different, right. Where you're from or or any or is this all different? So yeah, absolutely. So that's definitely a problem that at scale can be very disastrous. GTC. You've mentioned this a couple times and the stands for GPS technology conference if. So. There's one coming up at the beginning of October once you expand a little bit about what that is. Yeah for sure. So that's are now. Across the world there are several of them. The kind of original big main one is in the spring typically March and now a march April May with a pandemic. This is kind of the fall iteration here. So we aren't we're doing. Sessions going classes all over the world, and so you know definitely exciting for folks be able to begin all participant rather than. have. To be in person of Taylor city it is a you know we we might think of as a technology focused conference, right? So it's not sales pitches right? This isn't you know, hey, you combine my thing. This is I'm here are advances in the worlds of a high performance computing graphics, technology hibernated, analytics, all these different capabilities. People showing not just that they did something but in many cases how they did it to help other folks advanced the state of the art here. Collaborative way. That's it's been really cool. You know we we long signed all of the talks panels, the webinars we hold classes central place for folks to get instructor led classes are deep learning institute, the ally like set out the kitchen, the highpoint analytics rapids class, but. You know lots of lots of fields right for folks who are nudity learning was funnel steep learning class, WANNA do computer vision who wants to do predictive maintenance right who wants to do robotics, applications, healthcare natural language processing, right. All of those capabilities are because fundamentally GP's are used across that spectrum. They're all showing up there right and so that's that's really that's really cool. I'm plus you know as as a bonus on on day one. I I love seeing our CEO's keynotes right. But just always packed with the new innovations and announcements. And so day one in the morning us time. You're he's given the keynote of the conference which is. Pretty, exciting for US yeah and and to your point obviously with the pandemic everything is virtual this year and and I think it has its pros and cons. Obviously it's always great to experience everything in person and to be there to electric these conferences. GTC's absolutely electric. But in the virtual nature and means people from all over the World Ken, consume this content as well and you know continue to grow. So so how would you recommend people participate if they want to participate? How can they do that virtually? What are they needed? For sure just go to invade dot com slash GTC the main place you'll see the details and the registration links there. You'll need if you want to take the classes, you have to also be attending the conference more generally It's it's pretty exciting just to see the variety of folks who are joining us even just as as feature speakers right we've got a of folks from government industry education. And I will point out by the way that anybody who's who is in who has a educational institution, a nonprofit or government email address all of those get free registration as well. I'm so just super recommend just being able to browse through right at Invidia, dot com slash GTC browsed through. The session catalog right and see which things may apply to you. You can filter in that definitely recommended filtering that by your level. Are you would you characterize yourself as you know technically at while level or they're from a more of a business perspective there's sessions signed for folks and that that optic as well. So yeah I mean and it's running from October fifth through October ninth. Yes sir. All right. So so in addition to the first day electric keynote, probably some super cool announcements that you know we can get you back on talk about afterwards. What else are you excited about that? Like what? What else? Are you going to put on your calendar? For sure. So so I've seen some some really neat talks come through the system and you know what I think's really exciting for lots of reasons is people taking. Seemed like well understood in well-trod. Systems and they're turning their doomed to big direction to doom to think things into big crashes with them. Right. One is applying into novel types of data, right so I can take a standard computer vision model and I can apply that to scanning electron microscope data as one of our speakers is. And I can then start predicting the properties of materials right from these very small snapshots of mature, very expensive to collect snapshots of material. I can search predict how that materials can behave right that's it computer vision in a very real sense but it's it's looking at seeing things that are at the individual electrons scale, right? That's that's incredible to me. Yeah. Absolutely and that's super micro scale, right but then you go up to the other side and you. Start talking about you know, what can you do when you have lots of GPS all working in concert and you have a whole end to end workflow. One of the biggest changes that we made with rapids on foreign state analytics is that can have new default model is for data processing. You move all your data onto the GPO and just keep it there. Right previous models. You'd move data on need pulled off for something else you've moved back on. Here. Now, we're talking about like what can we just put onto large Juku systems and process? So we're seeing people talk about. Your Processing Pedal Bites of natural language data in near real time. Wow and that capability which used to be available you know primarily to massive tech companies in Silicon Valley. Right we've tried to help democratize that. Anybody That has a need to do so can access that amount kit building. So definitely recommend. Exploring those sessions and then of course you know I'm personally I love I, love teaching and it's just so fun to show students first time you know what is it like to process some handed cheaper you? There used processing kind of the traditionally I'm just to see folks in a light up and say, I'm not going back for this need jaw drop a little bit maybe. Exactly no I'll say I've been GTC before and I always impressed with the sessions and the depth of contents and what you can take away from that. So I, highly encourage our listeners to check that out. Of course, it's been super awesome having you come on again like I said, we've talked a lot about ai on the use cases, but really to hear how INVIDIA is helping power those use cases helping bring some of these great things that are solving major challenges to life. So thank you so much for joining us say and we hope to have you back soon to talk about some new. UPDATES and announcements. Hey thanks so much. Really appreciate the chance to talking. Really forward to catch back up afterwards. Thanks for listening to the Big Day appeared podcast. The music from this episode as by Andrew Bell Check him out on Itunes or spotify.

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I think the winner this year has got to be if I'm talking recent I know does he just said Baby Yoga which I do love baby yoga but I think it's The lady yelling at the white cat. Yeah that's the that's that's probably. Yeah that's probably the biggest one that's been too. That's longest longest run it hasn't died yet and they keep making new ways of doing it now. They're doing there. I was about to say I think at least eighty percent of the means I've seen with the with those photos have been at least funny or entertaining in some way it does. It's very few of them. That have been really shitty agree with that baby owner doing it. Oh Yeah crossovers Latte Latte crossover names. I'm definitely going to say that because first of all that have looks pissed off occur that lady just looks like she knew. She's cry for help and he was aca- something she was suit from. Some fucking reality show. Wasn't she'd like that was a that was a picture of a scene at a reality show where she was like losing her often Alton. I don't know where the show you know. One of the mouthwash shows where you know. They get altogether in the house. They get ratchet they probably dating a football player Who's like second-string or something? And you gotta wonder how you feel to be Abeam like that that goes viral. You feel good about it or did you want to just on the meam you are if you hide the pain Herald. Bad Luck Brian. You're probably sitting there going. Oh the stalker girlfriend. UH-HUH I don't know if you're If you're fucking grumpy cat GEICO fucking Bruce. You're pulling money sex. Life is over the fucking the guy who is running that marathon. They snapped the picture of like super photogenic man or something like that. I did not see that one. See that one at all. That was a couple of years ago but he just you just a guy running a marathon. He he happened to just look over the camera. Someone who's take a picture. He looked incredibly photogenic while running a marathon and people fell in love with them us like the biggest thing since betty white. So speaking of crossovers. We're going to do a crossover. Between delivery brothers colors natural our shut the fuck up dusty. Now that's one count reminding reminding speaking of you do notice what I put the counter I buy did give a ding to the Salem. It's editor dusty about fifteen times on after our set and he's like at the end of the show he's like to. We should totally have a counter of how many times I tell alleged the fuck up so a counter popped up with an arbitrary number and it just dinged on the screen. I'm an easy to show me how how to do that. was going to challenge your editing. Anyway we're talking memes everytime we mentioned a medium you should edit in the actual mean like we talked about angry Greb itch versus white cat. You should have the show up on the bottom of the screen. He just talked about. Total genyk man. You can have that pope pop right up. Eat all take take about a week. Only it only takes about a week that fucking releases video. Trust me Anthony. And who's not doing all that but I might air. Their evidence was doing all that but I will put a few picks up like I don't know the means from this this year like I know the the The lady screaming at the cat but like things from earlier in this year. I don't know but I remember. Means like Haram Bei. Yeah Mold Two thousand sixteen. I remember Ugandan knuckles. Well look at the way. The biggest wants the biggest ones. I remember throughout the year. Which is why I give it to like you know cat late at the cat add slash lady is most of them have been fucking stupid political whether it's for or against trump which you know some of them were funny some of them were fucking walk in you know or raise your blood pressure especially depending on which side of the aisle you sit on but none of none of them were memorable and I don't think they fit to to what we were talking about which is like a memorable mean and I think this year was kind of lacking that I mean? The most I've seen for means like going going through my facebook page would be like maybe throughout this. This football season was the Philadelphia Eagles shitting on the Dallas Cowboys and the Dallas cowboys trying to shed on on the Philadelphia Eagles. But it doesn't look the best. The Best Eagles Shit on the cowboys was the one where the The the Calvin and Hobbes kid is sitting on a with an Eagles Jersey on sitting on the Cowboys Helmet taking a dump using a giant helmet. DMED as like a footstool win his ass with a flock in Redskins fucking toilet. Paper covers everything I think this is this year your breath taking that this year. I don't know when was the three E.. Threes every year at Dav melt never know who was when was E.. Three this year when when recently. What month was it the bat early? I thought it was midsummer mid to late summer. But then that would be part of this year. So you're breathtaking. We did team one about Liz's ass what what of Lizl came up in In his dresser right is supposed to be like a dress shirt but she had to ask jeeves cut out of it says he was doing like new as France would are asking. Avalanches ludicrous getting see. I've never I never seen that one but I've seen plenty of the fuck in like you know the some people call it. Click Bait where it's like the people you see a Walmart art and you see some pictures of some of the fucking Funky as people on the planet like all of them should be memes. Kids bother me the most with okay. Okay boomer that one day CTS millennial by the way. I'm not a boomer by the way I'm not Gen xer. You're in the heck's there's nothing wrong being gen-x just throwing away political. This is the only time get political. The boomers are fucking picking onto millennials. millennials are fucking mouth and offered the boomers in my generation's looking at both the show of fuck up I how about the storm area fifty one I say this as a millennial everybody and there was a ton of games or that she does. He's right store Mary a fifty one. That was the fucking huge thing this year. Holy Shit we forget about area fifty anyone you know why because nothing fucking happen. Because he's talked to people arrested. They weren't even from this country but they did Danes positive lift though that was caught on camera. Yes that was cut on there but there was so many memes about silly ways that was going to happen. The NARUTO runners getting together with the monster drinking. Kyle's getting together with the Karens Karen actually actually gee brought up a good point that was another meeting that was I remember being kind of popular. This year was a okay Karen. Okay that was great. Yeah but you know what the all time means like. I wasn't at this year just the all time means was the shut up. Corals exit villagers being being ex military not seeing those posts with buck and Carl doing something or saying something and the rest of them shut up. Carl means voting around where it was. I'm GonNa tell my kids that this was this and the fact that none of that was good by this is our Kelly. We're not taking any chances. This year was really devoid of humor. Like when I think about it like when you think of a mean like there's means that are that are very very very thought provoking there should be but when you think of a mean you think of comedy sopping that stuck out in your mind because it made you laugh with really devoid of it. My my interpretation of a mean is an inside joke that the entire Internet is on and nobody else's is a part that you're not a part of the Internet you're not a part of the mean. That's what I think of when I think of a medium but wait. Is there anybody alive nowadays. It's not a party Internet anymore. I mean okay with breaking the fourth wall I interview a lot of older actors. People that were popular in the seventies and Eighties Anthony. I know you did the exact same thing. These people barely have an online presence Rosa's but they're still online. Yeah but doesn't mean we're looking at me because I own. I will admit until I got a smartphone. Once ago I didn't know memes and my kids constantly bring them up and talk me instead of normal and I don't understand half of what they're saying. Shut the fuck up dusty thing number two do things that will be a running gag gag throughout fucking realm every time dusty on a show that somebody's GonNa pop bounce shut the fuck up dusty. Anyone can say their counter and counter will appear on that show that will be that will be rubble. Mrs Mean for the year for twenty one at least that and ramble rant. The only here was going on in the background of my house right now. I don't know now. Okay okay so damn cheap game okay. Yeah so yeah okay hatches who may or may not exist invited us out to a bar. Yep for this Harry Harry Potter thing. Themed thing they were doing which sucks because there was no Harry Potter themed. Because it's Christmas time and everyone drinks drinks. If you guys could see that not to interrupt not but I just found a name that I personally enjoyed. I can't read what it says. Under doritos it's doritos. It's got a picture of Dak Prescott on it and it's the letters right underneath the leader says Nacho year. That's a man along the bar in the It was the the bills and the Patriots game going. Oh God we have this one bitch at the end of the bar watching every time the bills did fucking anything thing. She is laying out the other end of the bargain headaches. When we're sitting at the other end of the bar and I don't root for the Patriots but this was the the only time I would root for the Patriots but it was just a spike for this asshole the Patriots anytime I watched Tom Brady slowly running towards a scream? I went sports. They say I cannot see that the cowboys Philadelphia the plane down. I mean we're talking we're talking about means and I pull up facebook to look for me bring on the show. The only thing. I'm seeing right now because I'm Philadelphian is is you know we wanna get the cowboys tonight. So another line and you're gonNA get another beer while we're on Air Boys Chris. Of course it's just the dusty. Our came back finding cool summer. Shandy brought to you by Anticosti Anacostia out of the room come out sponsor by but we should be anticosti speaking of sponsors and friends of both the delivery. Brothers podcast as well as Ronald Amidst entertainment. In general. I gotTA give a shout out to our boys here. Mr Steve Joyner and Eddie Johnson for those Adding Eddie gives breaking the fourth wall. It's intro you know. And of course he's doing the dark thing from fucking wanted cartoons he did but I will forever for remember him as Kilmore writes in Buchan critters to ask these laughing. He remembers he's too young. They don't remember Shit. Well we don't know fuck insane. I actually know he's talking about it comes to critters. Look I don't know about fucking around with means as you go ahead. I'm sorry by the way cowboys suck the good old fashioned. Dallas broke bad mountaineers anyway. So that's what I was saying so we were talking about. We were talking about alcohol sponsors tonight right right. I guess I might as well throw mind if I fucking pronounce this Stanislav Vodka from Poland. What do I feel that that's going to give me diarrhea? That is looking at doing Seagram's potato see to you by Dildo Dildo go fuck yourself. God I love me and you can do for only five ninety nine cash catch after delivery cash during delivery the crowd intro or go to your only fans slow ninety nine you can get sixty nine plus videos in more your weight. I heard you interrupting you. So let's go on on. Wait a minute wait a minute. He talked about sixty nine. I gotta I gotTA brings up. I heard you're into seventy ones sounds man. You know what a seventy one is right. Thirty eight and a half is so Seventy one night with your fingers up your ass. Here's the thing though. Some people have a level of kink where they might want some pegging in their life. Pegging I mean at this one in this day and age you know people take it to a whole different level when concert assess life. Yeah some people want to be beaten like a government meal Somebody's orcas lucky. Yeah some people WANNA be. You know. Spit roasted Like a Luau pig in Hawaii way. Wall hold on what what what spit roasting. That's a new one. Bring it okay. So this one guy here one guy here somebody in the middle finger cuffs There's more dockings I had a buddy. I don't associate associate much with anymore. But he's still my buddy the buddy he had a kit that it's like an electrocution kit. You know what I mean. They got a couple of things that you stick onto your body the and then touches like a piece of metal to and it shocks you the metal shock you and so it's got all sorts of different settings all sorts of different pieces of metal that he uses to shock you. I am dislike. No wait. Isn't that kind of similar to that thing. That guy's ever doing that. which which kind of goes back to the main thing a little little bit of videos? But it was a mean thing where they're hooking guys up two electrodes under stomach or whatever and letting them experience the pain of childbirth. Have you guys it on a change to the taint. They do put it on saying I will. I will go on. I will go on record right now. Alferov within this entertainment on anti atom show for delivery brothers. I will do it on both shows. If grimace entertainment gets a hundred subscriptions descriptions and delivery brothers one hundred subscription simultaneously. I will allow Anthony and record me doing that. fucking test I will. I will just to do that shit to do. I will do that. Test on camera hundreds of Pennsylvania. I'll give a timeframe one hundred subscriptions by the end of January January Earth Day by my birthday January twenty tonight. We have both channels hit a hundred subscribers or one hundred additional property above one hundred one hundred additional subscribers I will do the fucking Childbirth test and I will go to Pennsylvania personally fly to see that shit I am we'll take drive. I will stay home will come to see this. It brings ribs. I why if people are as we'll go drive and see it you're from Missouri. Missouri is dry. Rub Right Actually know where the sauce are your the sauce. I prefer the driver up. She do deserve drive world so fun games to get a finger in your ass until you hear the latex go blue. Can you hear the lubricate go. All about a singer speaking a lubricant you know they made a CD Lube they wait what is a CD Lube or get in high do an anal. It doesn't make you have no pain. But why why would you want it there but I just like it it. It does make sense if it then pain and you're taking it in a a place that would probably be painful. I don't know that that seems to make sense to me. You're doing it wrong. Well that like a twenty inch penis it could be the stanislaw talking here but hang on a second. Could you please explain to me what you mean by. If you're experiencing pain during anal sex you're doing wrong these are the words of somebody who's talking chrome experience and now I need to know. Well let's be fair. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA okay. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA help us the out here. Let's be fair women just like men drop fucking turds words that are way fucking bigger than any of us. Let's be real. I mean women. Women Act like guys hurt them fucking vaginal they push fucking human beings added that little fucking cat door. There ain't Shit we could do. That can hurt him if the guy takes his time and makes it enjoyable. It's not gonNA hurt like this. Now Your your why for instance you know you got a big meat right. Hung Passer Service. Then she's going to be how I'm just saying I made a vagina is only as big as your middle finger. Okay first of all was on the hit a girl cervix she would and I'm not saying I'm kidding dangling not that that should happen though dangling. That's the that's the next. DC fucking super villain. That's it's gotta be giggling. I'd saying you get hurt. A girl you just gotTa know how to use. Does it. More big staffer like a twig Anthony's being anthony's being fucking modest and I applaud. aww imported being very modest. But the truth is he's tall standing up as he is laying down like a flagpole. Chris I don't have nothing to what the focus back with. Appraisals can let's be. Let's be real. You think. That's a fucking Mike. Boom holding his microphone right now. I'm just wrapped around the room. Criminal Michael Jackson Lean. He's GonNa try pilot you've been. Hey Pat Big Jack my Lord Gentleman Right Yup. My Dick is Become what topic it. Your show baby awkward moment. When you're running the mile and gym class and trip over your Dick I would about that? Oh wish the anthem throughout the next next topic and get us back off his dick should. I don't know I I. Actually I think if Anthony is embarrassed about US talking about his the giant Johnson that he should just prove US wrong right now. I'm not. It was that close to friends. Sorry look I don't WanNa see yours either. Come on I made it. I'm hung like an infant nine pounds. Seven ounces Elevator the the line you used to get women to go down a helped me out. Seven ounces to dig. That's a lot of dead the house. If you if you if you ask my ex wife I am a lot of Dick. But I'm I'm pretty sure he's not talking about what's in my pants. Let's say at that point. You can probably make like a rope sleep. Show Dick or something like that. I don't know what's in your pants. A lot of them do know what's in his pants after last episode fucking Dryer Sheets Dryer. I thought about the driver's you in the middle of after hours Anthony in the middle of the after hours. I'm sitting there and I got my leg. Cross Puckett listening to their disaster conversation. What they were talking about and all of a sudden I felt something weird in my fucking pant leg? I'm like what the focus so while we're talking I reached my hand up down the bottom of my pant it like and I pull out a fucking dryer sheet. That's been stuck to my pants. All Bay never knew about it should have to the best us my friend. Yeah pulls up the smell dice. Sorry let them better life after dinner is smells fuck in snuggle. Fresh the hits Lilac. My Cock is clean. Oh Yeah I'm Sharman cleaner whatever fucking commercial was smells like green apples. Apple's against as a good thing not my case I mean I'm a vapor just like you and actually right now my juice is fucking green apple so if fucking my dick smells like green apple means this shift fucking broke in my pocket. I got through breeze so anyway. Back odd topic like Gusty said back on topic because we have done so many jokes and missed the last five ten minutes that we could almost be fucking Kevin Smith movie. I wish I would love the mcevers move what him and Mark Hamill or two interviews. I I want most because it would literally be I ask one question and I just walk away from the MIC. Because they will talk about whole fucking episodes you can hold me up with you know. That's my gun gun. What are you what to do with that? Shot me three times in the after hours prevent she did he. Did you could hear it on on. Ben Microphone please. Don't this is a covenant. Couple that shoes together stays together now. No no no that's just just my co host. Nope I'm shooting up. I'll let you don't you Hon. Salem Salem brought to you by hand lotion single handedly raising that stock they brought to you by Gold Bond Gills on us for your feet veep not really. I don't know I think we should Freudian a little bit here. And what do you think just friends but Salem the Salem teams like he's got some hidden pent up sexual frustration for dusty. Probably I could see that initiative it because is it because she reminds you of your mother is because she reminds me of the mail. Lady the male yes we have a male black black people have a mailman. I have a male lady. She's got a male lady. We live on the same street. We'll wait I gotta I gotta I gotta be clear on this because it is twenty nine thousand nine. Are we talking mail. Lady may yeah I L or mail lady Emma L. E. Talking about the nicely that brings the patches all the way up the stairs and noise lady the hands me my package judge and I would like to hand her my packet right back. So she looks on the Bowtie. Still on hadn't taken it off yet it's Red Lacey Lacey to nevermind. I don't WanNa know died right on up. You WanNA WANNA see it. No it's the mail lady song and he's just too drunk to realize it's not a bow tie. I thought it was a clip on. You know what I had an interview with Kim Hopkins. Just reasons ums walk INS and she she encouraged me to try to do a fucking all but Mike knifer standup. I don't know if I could do it. I do it here with you guys. 'cause like I'm anonymity the navy. It's it's kind of like the fucking Internet tough guy. They consider keyboard and talk and talk. All the shakers ain't no consequences you guys. If you don't find it funny we just don't post it fudging. Funny Chris that's one of the reasons. Why fog would you? Could you do stand up. I could actually see that. I don't know talk about that that actually. It's really funny 'cause like I've done wrestling where I've stood for in spandex in front of locking people and I've done music music where I've you know poured out my heart and soul of songs. I wrote in front of people but to stand there by myself on stage and try to make people laugh. I don't know man that scares the shit out of shows. I think I don't know I think the closest thing to stand up I could do is like if I ever found an open mic night. And they would allow us to do it. Like I would. Just bring you guys along buck and do a show. Okay Improv comedy. That'd be great now. Yeah all of US sitting up on the stage doing this day on pockets. I'm a pretty damn good pantomine. Yeah Pantomime Pretty. WELL ACIDS OVER TO ROW session two thousand and whatever but this Debbie by myself on stage just me and Mike and a bunch of walking is staring at me to try to make them laugh. I don't know if I could. I don't know I think I think that may be. That may be the one trigger that freezes me. I don't know just I mean I'll tell you this I've a couple of months myself and you've done it. What is it like dude like like I mean? Most of the time it's just like it's other comics so it's like is not so fresher. It's is more people. Were trying to develop issue. That's where you're kidding. City like a lot of open mics. Or whatever it's mostly comics extreme to see what's going to work and that's what I've learned from like doing it a few times. I did and I did all right. I'm not going to sit here and be on the best liberal Blah now. It's just like heck. I'll be reconsidered. Maybe going back and trying it again just because of the fat but I mean it actually is freaking fun it is trying to figure out organizer material just sounds like a little harder than Karaoke. Well see that. That's my thing like he just he he just said the one thing. That's GONNA freeze me up more than anything else. It's like you. You want Organiz material continuity in jokes my shit spontaneous. When I'm doing podcasts? Yes I don't know if I could fuck in like okay. Joke as got a lead to joke beat jokes. See you know what I mean. Like part of what makes me and then I'm not pat myself on the back here here by any means but part of what makes me funny beating all you guys. Yeah I was GONNA say. I think the reason why the sock drawer works is. Because I've got the idiot here eh I try. I tried to play off things that come out of your guys is mouth and that that you know kind of sarcasm mechanism but to sit here and I tell a funny story or you know the two Jews walk into a bar type scenario joke or something. What choose sippy wait to a bar? Wait a minute anthony. You haven't listened canoe after hours yet. Have you. Don't tell them I'm sorry you say you don't know so you don't know about at work tomorrow tomorrow. You don't know if you had about walking into a bar though but they don't sale of bag me up for this a you don't know shit yet about the the dam colored folk is it weight holds up the curtain in the shower. Oh my God that. Got Dr Quick Nick but I want to apologize to anthem now. But Buck Up. Dang I did not mean what I said it came out all wrong. Oh it did and we say with the students and we ran with the whole time about them colored Damn Nice Callard uh-huh oh that was a color pianist where he was a nice fellow. Nice it and that's what I do. How can I open mic night? That it was not no one and I met this this black fellow and I I realized this was the first colored penis ever seen one thousand nine hundred one man it was a big Pena's Nina's too but of course we couldn't get together. My Dad was fired KKK. And then I realized that he wouldn't like that too much but the thing was I was pregnant and thankfully the kid came out more like you're Michael Jackson. Nineteen Ninety S so it was okay okay for a while. Have you noticed all of us were like hanging on every word. This story were. Yeah but what are we really listening in on. This one was just like the more that one was black pianist. My Dad's part of the K. K. K.. You you got some Michael Jackson over here. I think I don't know I spit him out. He was leaning forward Robin all on his nuts. Dang I mean don't like from that man it really it really was like west side story meets foxtail there. It really was west side story me luck stale as I love love on sale. That's actually one of my favorite movies. The cheer closer now. You're looks twice the size of some big fucking brains over here. That's what I got approach so I was thinking about okay so stop payment in that Was nationwide commercial that Pain medicine is in the nation commercial. A- taste so good I I just want to say his forehead is so big it reminds me of like a battering Ram. You think to yourself you got hit with that motherfucker. Would that be considered assaults like attempts Korea murderer almost so Peyton. Manning reminds me of a bass player curve Brad Paisley cover band which is great because he does commercials with Brad Paisley. I just want to say Peyton. Manning has forehead so big reminds me the fact that I could probably read his thoughts. Now I am an I max. Five head jokes. I'm ain't five hundred. I'm talking about ten head. That's like a ten story building on top of his head. I wonder when he stops using face. Wash you're just going going going going going. Look at if you look at older footage peyton manning's forehead like his forehead got bigger with every super bowl win. Rally the stress level. I think that's that's where he found his four kind of pulse. Eight when he's thinking that clear. Why some telekinesis or something yeah why are we roasting using peyton manning around is this painting this though yeah but you know what Peyton aiden Peyton and Eli are like the real life fucking movie twins an Eli is Danny Devito? uh-huh Damn let's be fucking real here. Eli Is fucking. Danny Devito. fucking Peyton Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah Oh my God i. I will say this though. He's the only person I know that I'll make Tom Brady. Flip out of the down Super Bowl. Now he's in hot he is no he is not you got you got nick fucking foles. Where fucking Tom Brady refused even shake his Goddamn Goddamn hand because he was so embarrassed losing to the eagles? Yeah he like got that big but it would be embarrassed to the Eagle Dan Super Bowl really. It doesn't matter least are Super Bowl. Could be viewed on fucking DVD or download download. You don't have to fucking pull out the VCR the cowboys. Hey first of all you can also get it on LASERDISC. Hey I still have star. Wars on LASERDISC showed up. I hate on the latest looks like a giant cd all day once crashing. The whole damn thing is wrong camera. I watched I watched What was it Luther Van Rawson Tokyo will. It was New Year's Eve. Nineteen Ninety eight and he brought out the Dang laser this the and people go my mom's boss at the time he rather down later this. I'm like what the Hell is this people that is big old albums saying oh we're going to listen to music or something like that. No he pulls out as big. As this day they was shining in the light. It was Marvin Gaye in Tokyo. No no no Luther Vandross from Tokyo I'm just like they know who he is in Tokyo. Oh well they only they only know him from like fucking belly button down. Though 'cause they're short short people all of that remark short joke The international because I went to Japan and I I got mistaken for a football player mistaken for basketball player. I got mistaken for Bob Sapp. I got mistakes. Because you're black. You leads to Bob. We can't picture with Mohammed Ali. I hang out with my Whitman. Nuke Bowl He. He let himself go. Germany I was Germany where I was in Amsterdam Schiphol Airport in Germany and I'm getting ready to go on my flight also in here. Do you know who yours is to Africa News on partisan soccer teams that. I'm I'm like. Yeah you some Kingston your song kids. Let's take a picture so somewhere in Africa Africa. There's a picture of me and I'm just like somewhere in an African home somewhere is a picture of me on top of the fireplace. And they all think I'm Sean Kingston is I got A. I got a couple rebel people who who think I'm some famous Rockstar. Because they've got the long hair and the beard thing on I'm like yeah I'm I'm Oliver Pelata from camelot. And they're like. Oh Yeah Yeah I pull up my phone and I google him and show him. I looked just like Oh my God I gotTa Take Pictures. Nobody knows that was with. This guy is take payers so I'm GonNa tons of Fuckin- pictures of people who think that some famous rockstar terrible. When I was in my early twenties and late teens a lot of people use to stop me all the time just to tell me I looked like fucking keithres Linden the lost boys? I got that I didn't have the fucking haircut but just they were like dude. You look like the dude from laws boys it used to Piss me to fuck off. No disrespect. Perfect keep her sutherland. Great actor but just like like dude. I'm not him go away. You never been missing me but you have a twin. Well Yeah Okay I was. I've been mistaken for my twin. But that's where she's not famous so yeah anyway. Are they coming for Christmas Christmas Eve at my my hands. I'm coming for Christmas. But we're not gonNA talk about that on podcast shocking. So big I come well. Yeah I want to come to Missouri or you're welcome to Missouri doesn't count as the only way people there okay about ain't nothing about the white. I'm I'm just worried about the spread. Dude you're gonNA have some good fucking like I. I'm going to be good. Well no no no no see I'm Gonna I'M GONNA. I'm GONNA stereotype a little bit. I WANNA stereotype a little bit. Couple of years ago when when I first separated from my ex wife I got dragged to a Christmas Christmas party and kind of the the not so white neighborhoods of Philadelphia. Philly actually tend to more knock doc. Basically North Logan Section people know what I'm talking about fucking I got invited to the House. Everybody was nice and cool. They reflect sitting there on the we playing talking Michael Jackson's moon-walker some shit but the food spread all my fucking. I've never eaten so well. My God damn life I mean they had everything everything for food like you know how people people like is meant to be derogatory. But you know how like people are black and white people like. They don't know shit about spices. Let's let's be real white people don't know shit about spices. Your world traveling back in like fourteen hundred and something something. I don't use spices. What the Hell we ever get back on topic of what Anthony WanNa talk about or just going on onto onto this Monday as tangible ship? I we did this so I experienced people food. He has converted. I had a I had a friend I had a friend that lived up in northeast. He's Philly for the longest time when I was younger and he would always invite me. Here's a black guy. You would always invite me over and like when he invited me over here we would always fucking sit down. has some soul food fucking like watch a basketball game and fucking dairy where Mount airy nowhere near now northeast northeast philly million like fucking border Bensalem Polish neighborhoods and stuff. Because I lived in Germany Irish you lived in Germantown. Yeah we're not near it but yeah that that I know what you're talking about now we're we're we're up closer to the Betty Ross the Betsy Ross Bridge to Coney Palmyra you'd be no those bridges closer to ninety five. Yeah we can't go stockham. You don't know where he is. You call hauling call a falling in love from a distance like saying he would always fucking put out like we watch a basketball game we drink forties a fucking Oldie. Fuck in like he put he'd fucking cooked some bucket soul food and Shit. He always told me I was born the wrong color because like fucking I'd actually eat all the meat off fucking neck. Bone the best flavorful. That's why well you. Can you ever come to family in Kansas City. Let me just this this. You might end up passing out Amman. He's cash or something that's all I got to say. Look if I if I get the way I know I could get fed. I ain't got no problem. Pass now the couch the best kind but away you have to this. The this is the same. This is the same you saw earlier that I was the one in the background earlier. Cats in the studio known as Dusty House. There's one cat at mine. Yeah I got to add that you hear a boy and a girl Celeste. Made an appearance didn't know she was here. Yeah she's been unwelcome behind me earlier in the background. Oh she got two kids so does he. You're married correct I. I'm I'm hopefully divorced very soon. Yeah Oh oh he's consciously uncoupling chance can't go forward. I'm good my friend. I'm GonNA continue into that mail lady or I. Just that they're left-hand saying dusty could be trusty. I'm sure does could be trustees cell phone twenty one years older than me fuck we're just left hand dude fucking threesome right there. I can. Yeah I'm a tad older than he is. Yeah he just issues just a little a bit up there and I'm just kind of looking gusty. It's nice that we met at the larger. But it's nice that we we realized that we both live on the same street. It's that's all good And we became good friends. And we're doing the podcast but dusty. I rather fuck a blunder. Steve was that are you girl seven. Get the fuck out of here. No talking in nineteen seventy two forty gallery walk out of here away. Why thank you beyond being enclosed? I was older than you. I'm thirty okay. I think she got US thirty. But you Komo Salem Salem how old are you what are you six. You Ain't no forty six twenty six twenty six says here right. His balls are only now starting to look like his chin. That's why it was close. 'cause I understand the older generation he understands whatever you are. I am it out forty. Two years old. I turned and forty three in January. I have a better chance I have a better chance with you. Do Sale Long distance thing worked though. I don't think you did your first podcast on vinyl. I like first podcast guests. Donna for an interview was Andrew Andrew Bell now. Were both crickets here. But Alexander Belt got. Yeah no way I could do. Stand up comedy I just fucked at home right there. You start talking up. You should at at least eight track or something. Damn anti-rebel was Andrew. Bell was his brother. They go hey I fixed it. They said eight trust. Rake Bell Known Hawgood lease talk about everyone. The greatest man alive about Art Kelly. Bill they look so in this episode is going to be Piss as we invite R Kelly. Let's be real. I got to defend our Kelly. Everybody wants to talk about the urination thing with R Kelly but has anybody ever heard the fucking audio thing of fucking Chuck Berry making girls so far out of his asshole. No and I don't want to. It's out there. He would fuck. Make girls fucking suck doc apart out of his asshole. No thank you and this is why when I divorced. I probably will never date right there because you don't want to sort so I'm being Kiki actually kinks. Damn it sounds real good. Sounds like a guy who just like skip the candy in his truck. Phases go as far as instrument. Baby I'm stopping at Taco bell tonight. It's going to be fun night. It's going to be a double loop at night. Baby Eh Castles might get some frigging Jack in the box especially some of them jacket about soccer balls. Those two for one dollar with the American cheese is a fucking waffle. House night it's gotta go in smothered and covered splattered. Oh we'll go over the Brits. I'm sorry guys inside to interrupt dusty dusty notice that she had a bit of a glare and her glasses there so she took him off and she looked at me like she was like how to luck. And I'm like Oh it's not going to get that Clark Kent thing going on. Does your smoke show. Don't let them tell anyway so anyway. So that to this Wonderful culturally dip show So listen I thought went out the window buttons on what's next reminisce man and like seriously. I mean I really pushing. I know. There's been a lot of changes recently. I mean well fuck bankruptcy Chrissy now. We're revamping I mean we still have The soccer or podcast which is an upcoming podcast. We upload into episode tomorrow. We'll he does anyway. Ah Yes yes the the they won which would but that was the name of that show. Solder is a title there is a title title title. I'm going to look at a while while I'm talking I'm GonNa look it up. There is a there is a title of the show which I will tell you guys a minute but I mean we got the soccer podcast bill. releasing regularly. Of course we got breaking the fourth wall still doing interviews walking. We're about to hit number one hundred. Wow breaking the four sir. Yeah we hit one hundred the next to interview. I do which I believe the next interview. I could tell you that to the next interview that we'll be episode. One hundred will be tomorrow night by the way Pat Lewis Garbo Patents. Garbo always GonNa be our hundred guests so this little scarborough he cou I like him scarborough. And of of course I'm relaunching of Jeddah Kinda Take Place of war the stars which You know we wished John and they the guys wore the stars well but journal jet is so that way we still have a residence star wars. Show that once about ready to get released ten night. A rise skywalker. Non Spoiler Review and the episode six. We are shooting Salem to the moon releases. Tomorrow Morning I I forgot about that. Yes it can be sailed to the moon. I can't wait to the moon. And of course she still on hiatus since having her baby and all that but Venus is gonNA they'll be returning with it had to be said so we still have that All Lauderdale's so we've got it. We we got a couple new shows coming a couple new people people joining Roman. The missed so I mean we're still chugging along and of course we launched sounds dicey which is shut down until after New Year. But you know the tabletop shit with chronicles loss. Ralph four corners of Hell and Little Chris is GonNa continue on so here we go and of course one day. Anthony will return to Sending delivery brothers episodes to all the mist and we could release them for him to. Okay see what happened was I mean he. I use to send me so many episodes. I couldn't keep up and then all of a sudden he just no longer would save me to send you all episodes. I got now we gotta start. Travel this episode this episode beyond Robin the myths. There you go so here season to number ten. Here's the easiest. Here's the easiest way I just sing you the fucking enter because you still love the intro. Right I could just send you the Goddamn intro. You can upload your Own Shit onto your own channel and then I will just add it to the fucking delivery others folder. There ain't no fuck in re edited in or anything involved. Just just bear it. Is it done. And that way this SACO and that way when people go to view it on Youtube from our channel channel it's GonNa automatically directed to your channel once they click on the video. So there you go. It's easier than what we do to you. Well I'm on Youtube now. You were on youtube with rubble missing. Stop sending Videos Youtube Channel now. There was any consolation. There you go so well. We'll we'll like that will link that up and I get started out your videos that way. I just saying you can be delivered. I'm going to interview Anthony Anthem here. I'm going to interview him interview me on my own. Damn show because you know what I've done a couple of shows now including a couple of delivery brothers shows which I do apologize to your listeners advanced and I've been on this show more than once but I've never asked you this one simple question. Why the fuck is it called delivery brothers because my brother was on the shelf I believe Mun then thank sandwiched by your last name isn't delivery so I still don't get the delivery brothers because it was me and my brother? We were delivering food. One day for Third Company and we decided to a podcast in my car. Actually the first couple of episodes were actually in my car delivery brothers because you guys were delivery boys Yep okay. That's actually the origin of the story. Actually Doctor Because Yeah Okay folks that actually I've been I've been meaning to ask you guys. That too is like what you told me. You wanted your podcast. They approached me. They did. They did a couple of guest appearances on. Press Gaming on on request of of a Keith Zephyr And Dave Day talked me after Atra shows and all that and they're like we WANNA do a podcast. I said okay. Okay Yeah Cool. We'll do it. Just come up with a name for your show and they came back and told me to sock drawer. We've been we were dusty sock drawer on discord and the people on discourse that you need to have a podcast so we said Yoga but we draw the dusty off this call the sock drawer all right but the question still remains why soccer well one of one of my friends that was in discord on. We're trying to come up with a name for what we're doing literally was making a joke. What's industy sock drawer? And it's stuck okay and now they rocking we saw from the sea now. We're stuck with this October. Everyone's were known by its catchier than a delivery brothers. They don't first of all I will talk to. You will session that you want to go. We can go run roasts. You WanNa Oughta Rosie look like you already got arrested okay. At least at least I'll ricky sex lips Rabi set clips. oops over there. I'm having some listen to what this you what I couldn't even hear that east. I'm having some should be proud of Sir God prison. Why are we are having some dirty thought? Both y'all GonNa wind up with a little blue dots over your house. Google maps. It's all they live down the street so I can go nope Salem. This is dusty. And you're listening to the doctor arm. Roman this podcast where we are registered sex offenders. Okay walking is earned. Do you can reach me on facebook. Twitter WAAS lots my face. I spent gotta blow the dust off of that one. Take time to be alive. Look Man I miss my space like especially as a podcast like. Yeah I think back like when I was a musician like the last band I was in my space was still popular and they had a thing where you could release music onto your space. We could upload our demo to my space you know how useful that would be for fucking podcast. I will release podcast fucking uploaded to my Goddamn page and I'm done I would say I should never had a my space account those pictures of meat. No we're never gonNA look at those again. How old wraps on there that I wish I would believe it? Every time I brag the digital era wasn't there there's no pictures of doing stupid stuff that went on my space. oops they do exist. Hey look look look My mother when I was twenty one years old. My mother sent me a camcorder. There is video evidence of all the stupidest Shit I did when when there was no video evidence. There's VHS tapes floating around somewhere. I'm sure somebody probably been digitized by now. My Dick is on the Internet somewhere. I've just come to that conclusion. Oh I you know mine is mine is not they. Don't have one yes you do it take your sock drawer Dane. It's industy soccer. Seo Dip it showed up it's showed up side. The delivery brothers rivers called the sock drawer because if we were dusty sucked the entire video. Just be more absolutely for audio listeners. The funniest part of that joke was not him going to the Mike and going It was anthony slowly slowly realizing what he was doing. Look on his face was like what's he doing. Aw like he gave the face wash for you you too. So that's what it's the sock drawer. We don't discuss within my actual sector. Kim Man speaking at this point is even the first woman. You've probably got something that you could stick up in their noncha- mode and we even got the the old school one where you gotta plug it in this subject. At least since we're since we're on the subject of sex toys can we be real for a minute here. Why do women have all the best shit that question I really like? Sa Theory you walk in you walk walk into you walk into a toy a fantasy toy section or something like that and you see like double ended Dildos fucking like things that look like they would tear your insides apart heart but then you go to like the section for guys like you say you got to flesh light or you got like fucking amputee bodies. Okay I got to be real with you and this is gonNA sound like I'm I'm gay and I might be. Here's the thing. Women can use dildos in vibrators and all that fun stuff so come in no body actor. Here's my theory. Most guys are embarrassed to go even in those sections because it looks cool. If you're buying something for your girl but buying something for you is not the market. Isn't there because of it. Yeah but you know what women women don't make it any easier. Sure I knew I knew a guy who worked at the sex shop and he told me a story about a guy who came in with his girl and they were looking for a strap on no big deal but when they went up to the counter to the purchase it that you could tell the guy was nervous and felt stupid and she fucking through him straight under. The Boston was like. Oh Yeah. I'm using this on tonight. Yeah see that's exactly my point guys. He's getting nervous. They get embarrassed to go looking at the guy stuff or because they were Jewish and that's because they know if they're if they're experimenting with the back door letting a woman experiment fairmount with the back door and it gets known to another guy we are roasting the fucking shit out of you. It's just it's it's just man code. I mean a a year me and unfortunately yeah it is man cold and now it's just the nominee Roy demand for putting someone women. Don't have that stigma where you I can go into those sections and go well. This one's pink purple. This is great. You know I'd say I. I think that's exactly why you're section so bad until you guys learn to be more comfortable. It's going to be spire flesh Amazon but you guys wrong like like the girl stopped. Stop could be universal in a sense that guys who are secure enough with themselves could allow blood but plugged to go in or Semaine obese or something like that but a girl can't walk into the guy section it'd be like okay. I'm grabbing this book. An ass master two thousand and using it tonight you you get nothing out of our toys. Okay we gotta win this toys possible. There's my first eight hundred up and go buy a pretty purple. Purple is good for everybody. I've already men do. Do you know if you're worried about going to a public store. There's always you know Adamy dot com and you know platforms like that that where you can just you know by south discreet pack. He's going to. I'm glad this isn't your sock drawer talking about you. Know what you know. What straight straight up? Honestly just go to fucking misses fucking channel. We'll we'll hook you up man. We'll we'll we'll give you the Salem knuckle deal back to the to knuckle deal Adrian Tier to our patron for the sock drawer. I will double buckle you. I will give you the shocker stopper the soccer. It's the spot where it's our patriotic. I'm just trying to figure out like you have to like get the teaser. The pleaser the shocker. The spreaker for one hundred dollars a month you too can by now how that happened to showstopper fuck and this. Oh yeah that's right. I'm doing a fisted lie. I also visited. Yeah that that is some weird fucking shit. What do I mean but I all I know is a skill though because not everybody knows how to fish and apparently they got classes shit like then then like fuck in San Francisco actually have a class will teach you this year? Who's really really good at that? Jim Henson now al.. Where's My gun you must be? He must be good at it. All the muppets were smiling. What is he rocking only over here? It's just the Sandra now. I will say this why when it comes to visit shit by. It's not my style. I must be some people are into that shit and I'm going to the conclusion this the fucking skill and then on top of that the great thing about a woman's vagina that she will come back. It'll be a snapback bang. We back to my option. We'll get we're going back to what I was saying earlier when we were first starting on the anal sex and like you know guys worried about like their dicks on a hurt a fucking girl or whatever do they push human beings out of that shit. There ain't nothing you could without. It's really gonNA impress him. Yes Oh by the way My brothers on the line. Hey Bro I'm in the middle of okay okay. My brother says hi change in favor we only do you favor chain. Can you put the put the laundry in the dry for longer. Yeah I should be no the podcast and a few since we do your dusty draws where the hell did they go they had to split. It had a split. This'll be if thank you. Monroe Abra and that was a cameo about alarm. Oh I guess the PODCASTS. At the end for them. I know they're going to get up early. So do I but you know yeah. I'm sitting here with Christopher can stole now I rating just dropped right now. Oh my God this is what it is. I mean you can have a whole baby can put a whole fist in their mammy. Two probably I probably should have a fucking You know foot up there. You know fucking knee deep. You know. There's a video on around on face. We're GONNA take a chick. Actually we did. Have somebody put their foot in their on facebook advisor terms. I mean Hell. She was sitting on the mall. Fuck as mouth and all sorts of Shit. What sites do you go to facebook? Me and my brother was just sitting there one day and he was like. Oh my God. Oh my God I'm like what and I look over on his phone. Miu My brother is a completely gay man. Okay so we're we're looking at this shit. We were just like all my is wouldn't stop sound like something like that. Sounds like you said your brother's a gay man. Yeah I did hear that correctly. The sounds like that's probably that's probably why he's a gay man. He just looks like that. And it's like that's why I prefer for asshole. I mean he's live less problems. He's not well at least I'm going to do with the pink. Call the death like you folks. That's true that is true. That's he's not here anymore. So I get fucked and say you know. What do you call the use of skin around Pussy? Woman Works Walmart female viewers. The I love you. Ladies don't don't focus in hate mail. It's only a joke. This in fact I welcome your job. Go back in the comments section down below go ahead and give me some jokes back. You know so that way. It's fair Oh my Lord with that gross certain people found well everybody but the ladies IFM could find me on Rome limits entertainment the ladies. I offended you. You can't find anywhere. I'm not on social networks. No but you can find me on Rome loomis entertainment on YouTube On many of the different shows and of course our sister channel sounds Dicey Z.. Gaming for all your table Top RPG needs as well as video game. Let's plays and of course if your preferred the audio version of the shows. You look up with a missed on on anchor dot. FM APPLE ITUNES or wherever quality. PODCASTS can be heard and of course you can find me Christopher Dolly on any of the social media's with guys my name is Anthony Anthem Aka Black Fabulous Aka them in Number Outer Aka mistake and then it has this has been basically another version of after hours on to deliver rose. It's a cluster. Fuck but it's a fun on cluster. Fuck that always has limitless potential goodnight. Everybody Letty Hey I've written since my last band I have a hundred and one songs. I've got a release Potter to one yet that I've written since Just as you know we're recording again I see that by the way we're back so we're not into episode we. We thought we were So there were some technical difficulties on soccer's Situation so we decided. We're GONNA make this an extension. I'm out of video so we're not going to shed so with that. We're going to keep a sexy cute. A wonderful patients see in fact. We're all back. Nobody missed us. So we're GONNA blame Salem for this just because cut and pace the videos and just just go like a technical difficulties for a couple of seconds and then just pick up where we're at right now with me being blamed named taking it like a champ as I can see this is what happens when you you have a man named Salem on the show you just have to Hope for good luck if his if his name is Salem Elam shitting your name be Sabrina. No He is definitely not my cat. So tough the cameras. It was Sabrina. The netflix wanted remember when they used to be a navy. See Okay the one the net flicks one. I actually is way cooler so might be okay with that. We'll just call me me dusty area the the magical which anything the Stereo Fuck up you picked studio that's actually gamertag where the dusty comes from so now from Styria in a game you're playing. It's me couple times I'm just kidding. uh-huh well these days. Most of the ones you log in. Don't show the name. World of warcraft does because brockhall most of doesn't doesn't can see the names in Brazil. You'll find me. enbrel Holla Holla Cool I love it too. You can play with US anytime you want. Now that's cross platform it's great. Know what you're gonNA play eighty I play on. Pc He plays on council. Because you know he's I worry because I don't have money but yet you have an xbox he you know what though I a game or I could play on see. I could play on Xbox. I could play on playstation I prefer console over PC. I know blasphemy. But I I actually do prefer console over PC. If I could hold the controller I would actually prefer it to but I can't anymore I use a controller that she see around here I know you can but I just I don't know I just I feel better the PC to me. When I look at a computer I don't don't look at a game system? I see a computer something. I edited footage on something. I write songs with something. I fucking go online with the the fucking X. box or the playstation. That's what they were designed for game so to me I just I it feels better to me. Use it use. What was was designed for that? I know it sounds stupid. I doesn't get into this stuff but I will say this though. The is a multi purpose platform for multiple things. It's basically your Swiss army knife of Electronics thanks for fucking podcasting and porn the two PS ash. I don't Actually Watch on my computer that I want to get no viruses. There's no porn on my PC. Unless you've done something when I was up my phone is fucked. No my phone's safe to his. His nickname is courtney love holy this shit as Fox. That was good. I appreciate that what color Kurt cobain's is the blue one blue. This way one blue that way craft speaker cobaine that her. What was the last thing? What was the last thing that went through Kurt? COBAIN's mind was a bullet. So that hurts my actually Kurt cobain fan and I know courtney killed him but Yano she killed him and she killed him even her fucking have you ever seen that interview Courtney's father even believe she killed him. He politely lately stated it for the record that she killed him. I think she had a lot to do with his death. uh-huh when we're going to go there Courtney Gordon he loves the music equivalent fucking Hillary Clinton. She's got she's got a body count and yes on air which means I will have suicide side at myself by two shots to the back of the head by next week to upload our next episode next this week then you can't expect us to figure out this stuff. I'm all right with it. I'll let that Clinton murder you. I don't give a fuck those the sector feeling. Well we all know that scene in kill no one can i. Can I be real on that for a second at the steam didn't kill himself. I think we all know Hillary Clinton fucking had him killed. We know that. But why is this such a big deal that he's looked at us a suicide or not as the suicide. He was a fucking sex offender. Who Cares he's dead? That's one lesson the system if anything if anything I would take it this way. Like of Course Hillary Clinton witnessed fucking murder spree maniac but she did the world a favor by getting rid of a pedophile that way and I just wish he would fucking open his mouth because he could have testified about a lot more sunken something. Cover up something. That's exactly it. I wish he would have gotten a statement out before he was killed but really hillary having him killed was a favor to society. Kill later off I. I'm GONNA say this. Basically what they are learning about Clinton's they're basically the real life house cars. Yep that's about right really is is what the real life house of cards like. Just the whole thing we were talking about. We were talking about memes. That's that that's one again. We're talking about political. Needs this this is one of the few that actually had me laughing. was that With with trump gug getting impeach by the by the House. Now it's going towards the Senate. The mean came up that this is the second president. That's been A. That's been a peach because somebody pissed off. Hillary it's true true also. There's a need a republican or a liberal. Because of the fact I understanding between want somebody to do God damn job down to it. He's still GonNa be the fucking president whether we like it or not. So if he's not gonNA work I will say we swept him for my orange cats. The Orange Cat can do better job right but how what why why do you. Why do you feel that? That trump isn't doing a great job. I mean forget forget. Let's be real. Let's be real for a minute. Let's forget the fact that that trump is an asshole which everybody Eddie. Republican Democrat. Doesn't matter we could all threes before he went to office. That's what I'm saying. We could all agree. He's a Dick. We all know that but I mean unemployment's unemployment is at an all time. Low jobs are at an all time high. The economy is walking booming. What is he doing? That's wrong for the country victory. What's he doing that's wrong? That's the weird thing. It's he's doing really good for the country but the environment. He's not he's a half and half. It's it's it's a of the two minds kind of thing so I I went to the family. Christmas was actually late today. I was there and I went out to Rochester to see my momma and then go and see her her mind and the her brothers and sisters and their their kids in the cousin volleyball and you agree to come into a podcast after fuck yeah. I don't celebrate it. I just wanted to get out of there but I was there for my mom but I got there early in the morning and so we had time. I'm kind of hang out and relax before headed out for the for the Party and I asked her how how her. IRA was looking under president trump. And she's like you know what I don't have my paperwork. Her husband like she's like Mike. Mike you got your paperwork if you had you just got a statement for that Kyushu on the statement. Mike showed me his statement of his 401K. After one month breath he made twenty thousand dollar shit in his 401k under president trump. Wow My folks are rolling in money might my stepfather is old enough where he can tap into his 401k. My mom is not and I'm just sitting here on on Faulk so you're up to minds. President trump is doing great things for the economy. Gas prices are great. Jobs are great people's 401K's. He's their pensions their fucking everything. They're looking great. But if you're somebody who likes to hug tree we probably don't like them. Yeah it's it's you're I got claws are his ethics when it comes to how he speaks to people. That's my issues with. Yeah but how he's speaking. The women is a double edged sword with him. Why Yeah I could see? I could see some of the things that have happened. I'm not going to sit here. It'd be like Oh he's this. She says that but when it comes down to yes he's got a couple of things done. I mean I could say they were about Obama. I didn't fully like Obama eager to well that that was that was the thing that was the thing I was gonna say with with President Trump. Most of us that elected him and I say most of them is I. I did vote for trump either way I want. There was no way I wanted. Hillary Clinton or Breeze Adar's in office absolutely zero But as far as trump like when I voted him in. I didn't expect him to do a tenth what he promised I really didn't. And he's he's he's going to go down in history as one of the most hated presidents who kept his promises which really but but we didn't elect him to be the Nice Sky. We've had the snake oil charmers In every president from Obama Bush Clinton so far we've had them for the longest time they smile to our faces us at elegant went words while they're fucking us up the ASS. Now we got a president who don't know how to speak properly to anybody but he's getting the job on. I'll take that over the fucking people to talk eloquently every fucking time I mean. Don't get me wrong. I mean actually. Please take twitter account away. Here's these I mean. He got us in. How do you have a twitter beef with a whole different country? Sorry how do you do. ooh that trump's a beer watch him. Kill Joan arguing unplugging twitter. I didn't even know. North Korea Hatch Litter. The fucked. The thing is is he turned around. HAD THAT E- for everybody was waiting for fucking North Korean. fucking slingshot a missile over at us. Because that's about the only way they're gonNA launch one and you know if honestly honestly let's be real everybody's so worried about trump like let's be real trump's the one present you want in office because every other countries afraid right he's actually going to press the Goddamn button you know why. 'cause trump oppressed the fucking button. He would over do you. Do you do that. motherfucker would press the button GONNA launch at Russia for example he would press that God damn button and before that missile hit Russia. He'd it already be drawing up plans for the next trump casino to be placed right where that fuck and missile land. Gary US one just to try to divert a hurricane that meant that man ain't got no qualms about it but you know the. The fact of the matter is like when you look at the Kim Jon wanting that was online started a whole entire shit that brought him. Am to the Goddamn peace talk table. That's true so evening. Five hours of tweeting is a bit much. Oh yeah like I said somebody needs to take his goddamn phone away when he's taking a dump or something like you get off a twitter but as far as presidential duties. He's not doing bad. I really don't get this hate. Hate them hate them for what comes out of. But he's not a bad president. I don't hate them because it's a mixed bag because he's good for comedy. Tom Bad for environment. It's like what you do that'd be yeah I mean to be quite honest I feel like right now I feel I were split up when it comes to certain things. We're split up for the wrong reasons. Yes I'm Anne Atchafalaya personally. It's it's almost like it's not missed. Mr Wooten why people are mad about the wrong shit right now for solar and blame mm social media for that one. I'm not this year. It's not just social media. It's also fucking mainstream media you know but before social the media you never had a lot of misinformation like you do now true. No that is that is absolutely true but I mean like a lot of people always look at it as like Republican versus Democrat Brad or extreme a right wing versus left wing. It's really not that at all. It's it's we're being purposely put against each other okay. I'm a conservative. I'd be the first one amid. I'm a conservative. I'm also a trump supporter but yet I'm sitting on a podcast with a black guy. I'm having a civil conversation with people people who don't share my same points of view wait. He's flat but if you listen to if you listen to social media's or you listen to mainstream media's I should be calling him the n Word I should be making fun of you in every way you guys in every way shape or form you guys should be getting ready to Lynch my ass ask for you know for for being fuck in Neo Nazi or whatever the problem is you will watch a Nazi. Are you know that about you. Oh absolutely a real Nazi absolute. Nobody user impartial. Somebody sweater if side. You're on somebody who has a different opinion than me. No I'm not gonNa Punch them. You're you're entitled to an opinion as the beauty of the amendment. No I can still hit sale because I hit Salem all the time. When he's differ opinion it was pretty sucks glued political party suck altogether right? They need to the Founding Johny Fathers. This is what we're doing the opposite of what started this country anyway and now we why we shouldn't put charge and stay together but a lot of people WANNA put churches say nope that's how to put your safety saved. The problem is is what the United States was founded all this freedom of religion so if you put Church and state together which church is going to be the one with the state. That's that's why he didn't do it so for me. The Christians you had the Christian church be involved with the state. While that's going to alienate Jews. It's going to alienate Muslims. I'm just GONNA alienate. Everybody else had different fates. You can't have church and state because you can't weeks isn't funny you can't. You can't base one. Faiths morality to govern everybody else different faiths and beliefs dust. These cats part dog. I just caught her looking out of the toilet bowl you kill. I said I'm just sitting here listening. You guys go on and on about whatever it is talking about and I'm just like what the fuck is this noise behind me by going to the toilet right and there's the cat just fucking right up in there and that toilet bowl and I was just I. Was this fucking close in by those people who aren't watching on video winder wrong in to this. I'm just like a little intrigue here so close to just push in the fucking thing in closing hidden flush a couple of times the black and white one. Yeah that one plays fetch to before you have dog. The dog walks on a leash. Your cats a dog. That was so fucking ran home but I mean me with the with the with the impeachment things that are going on right now. You know what I will honestly say the only thing that went through my head listening to him watching them because I kept up on them. The only thing that went through my head was allied from episode three Star Wars. This is how liberty dies. We are literally having our country. Our government our our hard constitutional republic ripped from us. And it's fucking said but see you know how I said no politics on after hours because it's not how funny it brings things down. Well David Ogden off my soapbox and no no more Hashtag ramble ran for politics. But I mean it's just something that's always been through. My mind is like we are literally watching that happen. And it's a damn shame because you know who could stop it from happening and I will say it straight out you know stop it from happening. Not Republicans Not Democrats us. Soliders Yep We the people that that's why I was very proud of you this year. When you actually registered to vote I registered to vote? Vote from eight one usually. I don't even get political on my show. I'M GONNA say this I don't give a fuck. What part of your with if you're complaining about what's going on in this country and and you didn't vote you don't even try to vote? I don't WanNa hear that shit exercise. You fucking right. This goes for any a person of any color or creed especially black folks. Let me tell you this right now. Caught a black holes vote. You realized we couldn't vote seventy years ago. We can vote Oh for decades okay can fight and died for that right exactly devoting as what. I'm saying yeah I don't get it Like so it does pissed me off my see people of Color. That don't vote Hello we people died ad for us to do this. They did wife. Two neighbors is system. Okay okay if you don't believe in federal way positions whatever you can still say local matters more in my city. They actually had the mayor got to be the mayor for years ago by one. Vote by one vote. That was it. Living person can make a difference. Yeah the locals fast ast past noses that we didn't vote for research do your research. I'll bunch of US went to the city. The council to demand that keep open all the sessions and you know what they did and things are getting better you damn research. 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You're boring you know what Anthony You bring up something. I think that that was discussed a long time ago from Iran. You remember Brian Miller right. sours Cana- podcast. Brian Miller it was. It was not there when he was snow with him and I were talking about doing. You just brought it back up like we always talked about like creating our own satire commercials that would run in the middle of shows one thousand. I'm I'm sorry I just I. I thought I thought of that I was I thought of doing that for the sock drawer dislike cutoff dusty mid-speech yes and instead head of instead of saying shut the fuck up dusty. I've cut off with some sort of just retarded. Add of whatever you just. Don't are your ass lumps getting kicked out of the flea market impotence. Got You down or you can call me. S MIC lumps. I've got the solution for you. Just listen to some of our sponsors. Don't don't you leave for this. 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Yes gone ahead. To get the cracks in the crevices you'll be so smooth down there. It'd be like it was your first year born. They had it. Did you guest star on the wrong. podcast Yes oh my God. I think we're guest. But the star part is missing. Did you speak for the wrong podcast. You you sure did high Salem Beaumont here from the sock drawer. I'm here to tell you absolutely fucking nothing because I add live this this. I'm not very good at the Improv comedy fucked on that one call you can call two one five eight three nine four. I hope I hope that that somebody's number. We'll give it a call and just tell them all about your problem remember. That doesn't work call. Eight six seven five the three that the nice guy that owns that gets very ticked off it unless it was a minister. I don't be kept the number. All there is a guy who actually owns that a number yes again. You said you did not you call the number call waiting you you call. Congo com called the number. It's so I look lug lug like what. If Stacy's mom is Jesse's girl and her number is eight six seven five. Zero nine is the theory that is very well except at the not a good question. What are you're not going to the bathroom right now? Anthony are you in the ass wax or nine thousand. No I was sick. You sick fuck your it just a spokesperson. He's also a client a smoothie balls in the world talk about seeing off a bowling ball or something I was just I was hoping I'm just GonNa say it is right now. There is nothing wrong with manscaping. I'll go see nice great. It's only fair if we have to do it. You should too track on air fairness about it about cleanliness. It's all about being you know groomed. Isn't there like this is a God is a fucking place that people can go in New York City where they literally fuck in. All they do is manscaping for you. You're kidding I guess I don't know I need to go to New York then she I'm trying to get like a squiggly line down there. Maybe lawnmower the class. No thank you you know. Now it'd be easier for you and that's when I mean people people getting Brazilians all the time. That's something that you go out and get done. What hey I look I go I go front dude? I shade but I don't know about that whole waxing thing dude like I'll never I had I had to. What's your a friend? Do It to herself on my God. No she tried to ditch my eyebrows. I like natural. Thanks anytime I shaved on there and I like happened to nick. Something and like I won't put a band aid down there. I'll just let it fucking bleed because I'm not put a band aid off. No that's wrong. You're saying if you got a strong breeze go up your fucking swim trunks. That shit hurts. Could you imagine them trying to rip fucking hair out down there thank you no thank. Yeah no one's ever Joe version nipples bleeding and shit life for instance you know. I WANNA buy the next year. I WANNA give manscaping year. We kind of blew that. Well maybe manscaping go with it any chance of sponsors for you and this episode. I believe me I'm GONNA too small. I want manscaping. You wanted to know why I'm asking so I get that free l'amour two point. Oh I've been seeing ads for the lawnmower to point Ueno. It looks like the regular shaver. You also get ball cream. It wasn't it wasn't the words it with the delivery that got me because he was like. Oh Man I heard about that. I've seen ads everywhere. It looks exactly like the old one. The Glenn is in the commercial portion. Can Women use that. Yes it is. The Razi solid commercial foreign asked if women can give that the answer is yes but it sold for men just like how persons are sold for women. Because it's what women use but meant news. A purse called man person. There's nothing wrong with that. I use one. I don't I'm just I'm family it's the ramble ran. Hashtag Ashok Reddy used the guys deodorant guys showers stuff. I'm also US guys razors. It's all everything seems to be better for you guys when when it comes to blade. Yeah Yeah Yeah actually guys play Jello better. I avoid unfortunate But James plays are good for sensitive skin. I don't have sensitive skin so it's not an issue for me. I've used a couple of lady razors to shave down there. Komo smooth Ino Burns. He's not wrong of my life where I shaved my armpits. It was the best phase of my life ever and I use ladies Shavers for that because legally nice okay great maybe my problems and buying them at the dollar store you guys buying nice quality one on you gotTa get good Quality Razor Blade to any party body at least tends to be a good quality. Don't buy dollar store with I. I use the the Lady Shavers. The lady deleted things for my armpits. And you know what it was the best I just got lazy. I stopped doing it but I love a guy shaving I love I did. I did when I was when I was when I was a pro wrestler. I shave everywhere from the neck down. my legs because of the fact that you ever tried to fuck in where fucking fucking spandex with fucking hairy legs. Yes awful. It's fucking terrible. The armpit the armpits courtesy thing for fucking two people I'm wrestling against because there's nothing you want nothing worse than being in an arm a headlock with somebody who's got fucking smelly sweaty Harry fucking ass pits okay. I can see that you know what I mean so you so you shave from the neck down. And all the years I did wrestling. I just kept going like Salem. I fucking got lazy with the armpits because you know now who gives a fuck walk but I mean yeah you're right just like what the fuck in the general area there's less funk less smell when there's no hair yup I we know that Sam learn something I can go to bed now. She has to have a belief if I can knock the ball mosque. Nobody wants to almost because if you don't learn something before you go to bed you're not living your life still on that. Yeah sure she goes. I can't explain my theory. Gone when you shut the fuck up. Dusty wasn't it is is. I think it's I think it's appropriate. You know at least keep a welcome. You GotTa Shave off all your fucking hair. They're just there's a little bit to make it a novel. What afropop from Seventies Jerry? It's plain simple. Nobody's saying that you have to do it. I mean in today's society. Your Body Your temple if you WanNa be you know hairy ship your hair your shit if you want to be as smooth as a twelve year old via smooth is twelve year old. Nobody's telling you to live but like like courtesy especially if you're gonNA give your body to somebody else don't look like you Bachan along. That's all I'm saying exactly Emmy. I don't mind references. Some girls the little hair down there. I hope you don't mind I'm like don't that's fine. It's natural it's fine let's go along creepy crawlers in there. I think we'll be ooh look like it's going to buck an evil dead reach out and try to rape me like some fucking anti porn or something. I'm good. ooh That's fucking fucking fucking landing strip has fucking Pena sense to it. What the fuck they nose fuck me? ooh So I'm sorry I think we'll be this stencil you know I'm GonNa get a Stencil just like kids city just like Casey symbol. And you know what we're GONNA cornered the market here. I got the idea. We're talking about manscaping. How Shave off and make it all nicest move down there? Let's take a page from women. 'cause I never understood why women fucking do this. Let's let's let's get them corner market. You know how like women shave off their eyebrows and then draw all right back in. Let's do that. Let's do that with men's genital areas. We shave off the fuck pubic hair. And then we have a fucking specific pencil to draw brought back. We have been practicing drawing daycare since we were twelve. You you can always just decided brown lines. She had on it. We are masters of drying the daycare. The weekend do this. I don't understand women doing it and I don't understand men doing that either. Fake it. A trend Hashtag ASHTEC HASHTAG drawn on cubes. You probably can't see but these eyebrows have never been plucked. They're in a natural. I don't get that. Yeah Pretty fucking borough now my talk I do not you can look I got Fuzzy Arbroath perfect at your expression too so you can see what you're thinking it's like. Hey what about Richard Gere. He fucking big ass eyebrows but my mom jeans it's GonNa play with their interest looking at at ground checked often my mom. What the hell else on? This messed up right now. He's I saw. My mom was like we plumbing. The puck is always going to be up so my mom was telling me okay. Okay what am I going to have some grand babies. I'm like Winning I couldn't afford to actually be a dad that Is he was like. Oh Oh yeah I'm GonNa Hook you up with somebody. She has somebody my GRANDPA's nursing home. That's like you do take a night and making the shooter. She's coming to Christmas. Our God no. She's tate you when you said nursing home. I'm thinking like some ninety year old like go go. Make sure she's got a good life out for you. Know I've heard good things about the teeth out about a life. Yeah you can't pick on the old people mandate don't yell they don't tell them the grateful. Hell okay come on well. No the girl tastes out of season. You know you might have just had the best of your life you don't this. Don't discount the elderly. The mandate had worlds of experience. They're going to do shit to you that you don't even know exist somebody to save the world excellent. So what you're saying. I need to go out and find some twenty something year old. Teach them thing. Go Fuck Yourself Ding. Hang on the girl I mean you get fired moms well you also shall. We need to have experience. I don't know we don't want to go. There remarried for twenty six years to the same guy who had a pecker probably about the size of this now. How would you know that you have you? You've been winning two. I know who you are very uptight. Somebody hasn't been getting a whole lot of Dick somebody somebody. Somebody's still a virgin. After the first two inches. That's okay we're not GONNA go there. We welcome wow for the image the mayor then Hashtag. Let's get dusty laid. Oh no no I know. We can't we can't do that because the first people is going to be responded at Hashtag tag is about three quarters of realm of amidst. We're all bunch of mother fuckers chase sport dusty away from the goddamn channel ASHTEC hitter. DM's on which does he. I'm sorry girl. Do Not hitter. DM's does these advertisements all like. I'm a sword fighter. I know I'll about how to use a sword. You Lana lubricated daily. You're getting right Ono once a month. That's the problem. Women started lubricated lubricate and that sort daily and then once they had that source for awhile it becomes once a month once every couple months. Then then you're moving toward your your. You know what I'm talking about my real sore. That's out there that I had to actually take care of my sword. It's my actual sword. But what I can't say that in public has everyone assumes it's my penis. They will reason that that that that there's one thing I may not look it but I am actually a real sword fighter as because when you drop your drawers. It looks like you're about to do a joust now. That's just I. She can put on my armor and scare all of you. It is getting weird in weird our story. So that's the story all of its armor like that chick from fucking heavy metal now I have to real actual tool protective armor because your hip swinging real swords at me so no. It's not like that's how we know each other do you do you go by the Ren Fest and Shit. What a yes? That's right back. We get up in the armor we fucking beat the shit out of each each other with swords and shields and we we live that life ur a weekend out wherever they want us. We've gone to Vermont. We've gone to follow. We've gone to New Jersey will do all sorts of Shit. It's a good time to use Larkin. Then that's tight that's not alerting. Its actual actual legit sword fighting. We do don't get me wrong but the hardest fighting. It's actual live combat combat. Yes lifestyle also is the blood is sorta should let easily back in the day nights shit. Oh that's tight Deanna pitcher. I like that I put my phone up to the MIC. There in the Cambria wouldn't work if you put it up to the Mike out here in case there's a community of people like to do do that shit out here too. That's why I've always found it interesting and also I'm sorry anybody that he's a sword. I gotta give them regarding respect. Because I mean you cannot easily stored. I'm saying I love his women. The armor everyone assumes I'm a guy so I take off the helmet the like Whoa Calm Allman 'cause I use guy armor because girl armor wanted and exists because we're historically accurate and to if you have boob arm or you're going to get hurt because it reflects up. Unfortunately for her. I've been sword fighting for fifteen years and beat her as you're the only one who does though local with our local group. You're the only one that does is I beat everybody else but I am getting slower getting older these things happen. I'm fucking dope and you don't even look you damn as I thought you were younger than me. Melman Down Down System Sword fighting dozen as long as you're active. I think he stay younger. Look look look look right now. All I know is Salem mm-hmm and I are the two happiest people in the podcast. Because he's because salems the youngest because we're all a bunch of old heads and I'm not the oldest and I'm I don't mind being older saying what my ages because I survived cancer so I- I every day. I'm here's another good one far-right on wait a minute. Let's get let's take a serious threat Trip again cancer. What happened there? Unknown cancer in my hand. You probably can't see the scar that Sirat reason why said I can't hold a remote anymore. There are certain things that I can't do like you scissors and things. But but they they took. It took three years to learn how to move these fingers again but I can the Pearl about the size of a dime that she found in her hand. One thanksgiving it wasn't that big. It was a little lump about by right before Christmas. It had doubled in size so we they went in and and removed it now but in order to do so they had to take all the tissue out but they were telling her that they were going to remove her ring and pinky finger because because they had no choice yes They didn't end up doing that. What they did was they took the parole out of her hand and they had to remove all that muscle tissue all those attendance and they had to Over the course of the next what six months or two years for what for taking the It took three months for the open wound to heal for the open to heal. Oh but they had to have an open wound because they were stretching all bet. She is probably can't see the scars use. Go all the way down my hand but now now it's just there and all all of her one ten well not all of them. The these three are so when you move up when I move my fingers. They all moved together now. Because I have to have that so I'm always in pain but I can move them. Why would win in my gotTa hit some nerve shit with that when we did it either way though that's all right so you want new heroes? I just want to let you know up and continues to sword fight. She continued. She's right handed. That was her right hand. They pulled I still do my artery continues to do her she she. How long did you work To get they told you never move your fingers and they told me these fingers would never move again. How long did it take you of all of that Physical therapy before those fingers. Moving on It took almost a it took six months for the at this finger to move and then it took a year for this one and almost two years for my pinky to actually start moving. Now we do the the soccer podcast. We do that. Once it's a week we we get together and we talk on the on the microphone but we actually hang out quite often. I story I come by. I come by a lot and one of the many things that I do pretty much every time I come and see her as I put her in a camera and a bit yeah and it helps her because she needed the two kind of pop that tendon that tending gets taunt because it's controlling too much so I'm I'm hanging out with dusty all the time because I'm just kind in helping her out here and they're like she. She has a hard time Washington. You know I actually can't chop vegetables and stuff without extreme pain. I chop chop potatoes for. I don't know if you guys can see. This is a species putting up to the the camera here. Just that's us in one right. I'm the one with the red helmet. She's the one with the the silver. Yep Right on C.. Barmer biting. Yeah Dude is fucking thousands of bucks it has to be real. If it wasn't real I wouldn't be hurt. I'm only only five foot one size are we are. We are in our gear more protected than professional football player. Yes so it's a good time. It's fun I want him. I want to remind checking your C events might come up there and check your awesome. Listen and we might slowly migrate to Vikings because we just joined a group called Green Mountain borders which Green Mountain bores out of Vermont. They are a Viking group. And these guys are fucking dope and ESPN and everything. They're not just. They're not just vikings on the list. Field they are fucking Vikings. Yeah we go and hang out with them and for my at least once a month and they everything they do is like okay. So the twenty-first the solstice which just happened yesterday is is you'll you'll is the holiday that I celebrate I don't celebrate Christmas Business But you'll I don't do all the things that these guys do. These guys will actually add. He he burns the you'll tree and he literally we spent the entire night darting. The tree is get outside guarding the burning tree in his gear from the wild from the coyotes or whatever from when they start earning it until on up that that is what that is the Yuletide. Tradition is the bring back the sun. That's how they bring back the sun that is is there. That is their tradition. And he's going to be doing that until his son turns fourteen and a couple of years and that's just the tradition and he said he freezes his ass off like these guys are legit the Jit straight up fucking vikings they. They make a lot of their own clothing. They make a lot of like the ten ounce stuff that they do not and we made the team they actually wanted to go to To Germany with them in June but unfortunately can't come up with enough money for the flight tickets. So yeah we're we're trying to figure out how to come up with the money to golfed Germany because they fight over there. The Germany trips not so June. I'm thinking I'm going to be getting pretty good money back on my tax on my tax return so we might. It'd be able to do that. What about Germany I going to do? I don't remember what it was called. I know it's close to Arabic because that that is where my family to live like two hours out from our obock. I just cannot burtless Hubbard at was that since this western Germany. I don't to be honest. I don't know I 'cause my relatives came my grandparents came through Ellis Island but the twelve so. I don't really know much about Germany third. This'll be my chance to actually connect to that side of the Family Hamburg. Northern Germany is beautiful. Second only imagine like Germany's dope. Almost I won't say that straight up. It's always been one of my dreams. You will love so if anything we look at prices I know. Tickets are usually the cheaper by the beginning of the year yet. Well we have to buy the tickets with everybody else in February or else we can't go so I gotta find a way to to give w two new my tax return before forever willing to help fund me. 'cause we all know as a single mom. I don't have extra money cheating. Shame that Shit. I got a eleven eleven year old and a fourteen year old. Bless you Prado. Both she's doing how how. And how have have you not gotten him onto little credits to join our star wars adventure again. One you'd have an invited into they're not into star wars into dnd well as Di di. It's amazing fantasy. Yeah just we just try to star wars campaign. Also we also do medieval can't de the style campaigns as well because I've gone wrong with my parenting they don't like Star Wars. Oh that's at Salem. That's why you commander. That's one on the moon. Kick the Salem outs. That's no moon. I never liked star wars. I'm sorry star Trek or anything cool. Well I mean like I you will end You and Chris you guys were alive. When Star Wars before star wars came out so you guys is probably saw star? Wars came out for the first time in seven when episode four came out I was fired or opening night but I was five months old. I was five years old but I went to the drive-in so if you're asking me to know what the world was like before Star Wars I was fucking sucking on a hidden shitting in a diaper. I don't know okay so wrong. Literally episode you are from when Star Wars was a thing there is pride Frieden that you guys are excited about that even though you were five months old there's an excitement to I was there before star wars and I am I am here before or stars I I came into play The first three star wars movies were already done and filmed and they did their thing. And then if anything the first Star Wars that I would've watched were the prequels. That's not only to start star wars but regardless I watch those and I didn't know at the time that The the original three were better. It's a wash through which they are better. I have I have have developed my knowledge of Star Wars through the Internet. I can't go anywhere on the Internet without seeing something star wars related. I know the plots I know the characters I know. No the Anikin skywalker sheets fucking sand and they have the high ground You know I I know I know this shit about Star Wars. I know no you we. We could have a conversation about star wars fighting. Despite the fact I've never watched the prequels. I've only watched episode four in rogue one. Well here's an Solo Solo. I can't remember those are the only star. Wars isn't that I've ever watched. Because you really wants to go to me. Do I want to water. SNAP demand Laurien gene. I said this is a great concept but I don't give a fuck I don't care but Safaga I am signed thing is what it is in his mind. Mind if it's mainstream. I'm I hate it. I won't get a chance as mainstream I. I won't give it a chance on a lot of fans of big mainstream. Stop have ruined mainstream stuff for me. I wanted so bad to enjoy Harry Potter to to watch the movie. I actually I read through all the books. Wash the movies once each and I said all right that was great. I want to move on with my life. I can't do fucking anywhere someone going. I'm a hustle. Puff I'm Raven Claw. I love all the Harry Potter stuff. Look at the fucking Harry Potter. This Harry Potter this bullshit and you thought you just let it be a thing and yet you thing that I did. I did it for Patrick because I like my friend patches. I want to go out and drink with my friend patches but for the for folks sake with your stupid fucking phantoms. Just shut up about it for just like just just daily Tale ramble day. Shut the fuck up about your stupid fucking phantoms. You're stupid you're in your said our interests as long tell you something this is something. I'm a hop on pop to believe absolutely said. Hey do you wanna meet the bar. I showed up a full huckle pup regalia. I have the skirts at all high the sweater. I have the hat scarves Dale and walked into the bar went. I'm leaving I wanted. I wanted so bad to like those those shows in those movies. I wanted so bad to actually try to like twilight I wanted to try to like with the Archer Girl Hunger Games. I wanted to try to like those things but the fan base is just blow the fuck up and it just ruins it. I remember remember we always about too much about the fan base because rely for instance. I'm a pro wrestling fan right. That is one of the most toxic fuck communities of fan hands thing like seriously. They got something today. We'll watch anything. WBZ sucks anybody to watch his. W sucks what's the independence is the way to go. I'm just like I kinda like all this shit because don't college duty is an awesome fucking game but the players as of call of duty are bunch of fucking Cox says they would overwatch. This hate people. I hate people there you go. I don't I don't Hate Star Wars. Hey your fans I hate fucking people. Well let me let me let me let me. Just give to things to star wars for four years Salem. One thing I just WANNA correct. Is that the one thing about star wars you had stated that dusty and I come from the Star Wars Star Wars. It will always be a thing. And the reason being is because it's generational like you were saying dossier and I were around for the original trilogy Salem. And you excuse me are anthony and you popped up during the prequels and you know what the prequel generation they thought. That was the greatest thing while US old has were like man was alright. It's not as good as you original the ones that grew up with the with the prequels is like dude. They're fucking awesome. Now all of us are bitching about the sequel trilogy except for the kids that this is their star Wars Star Wars Star Wars. This is generational. So it'll as long as there's kids that are interested in space battles of space wizards and shit like that. It'll always exist. But as far as he hating eating it. Because it's mainstream yes. The Phantom made it mainstream but remember it was created by a fuck in a guy who wanted to be so independent. He created his own company so he wouldn't have to release it through. Hollywood George came out. Nobody thought it would go anywhere. Do Anything Star Wars most expensive independent film of all time. Yup Yup and if you ask the actors about that time period they literally didn't think there'd be a next movie. They thought no one would watch this. They had no idea so even tell them even more to fuck the fans but see. That's the thing if you like stuff and ignore what other people think by. I know I know I just want to go somewhere or go on the Internet and not have to see baby fucking Yoda why. Maybe Yoda's fucking awesome. No we know he's so cute. I'm sure he actually. I'm sure baby is the shit. I'm sure baby onus fucking dope but all of the exposure that I've had to baby iota is just making me WanNa strangle the little fucking thing. I want to strangle the iota. Well here's here's here's the thing. Here's my issue. I don't have time to watch the mandatory and I work. I do podcasts. And then I masturbate and go to bed. I didn't need to know that well now you do so. I don't think that baby south I don't I don't watch TV. I barely pay for a netflix subscription. You know I don't I don't do any of that Shit I don't I don't have Disney bus. I'm not going to pay for it. I told you do you can come over and it was fine but like I don't Oh I don't have my own personal without you exposure to this mandatory in show I watched the first episode of the USA as a show. Congratulations but like I don't know if I if I went to watch the show. I probably enjoy your stay because it's fun. You shouldn't Louis because of what everybody else thinks. That's what you're worried about. Everybody else's opinion wire. I'm not worried about everyone else's opinion. No no no no no no. It's not not that I'm not worried about everyone else's opinion I'm worried about fucking heaven to see it fucking everywhere. I don't like seeing shit up in everybody's repartee tattoo say fuck it. Like for instance partisan wrestling fan bruise right all the time. I just didn't know about the folks going on but anything like were by looking at it I just say fuck it I. I don't WanNa look at it. I mean you norman. Opinion without worrying about laying what people say I like scrolling through my facebook feed I like scrolling through like read it and stuff like that. But I can't do this shit without consciously that's right you're you're especially on ready. Come on Bro. It's red thread it. I don't even I ask enjoy read. It and I just can't can't anymore I try. You are such a millennial. I try so hard to enjoy the next time you right now. I know 'cause I'm a among discord this corporate cessation. Sometimes like you've heard that specific group regardless of what maybe there's always gonna be. Few people are going to be like no. I don't like the way they look or no. I don't like the way they did this concept but this heart or no the way. This porno looks. I think they could have did better. You know this why. It's going to be a never ending debate because it's the Internet like you shouldn't let the Internet ruin everything if I were in there but it does you it doesn't the Internet fucking arena because you let it rule. Thirty four is a thing. The Burkett rule thirty four rule Maskhadov waiting for her to it exists. There's a porn of it. It is an Internet is great. That's more genetic material there you go. Edward Pena's hands. That's all I'm saying. It's just weird Overwatch foreign got Harry Potter Porn. They got the Cosby cornall. Got The family guy. Born all got worn over everything I'm GonNa they've got. They got Marvel Marvel Comics Porn. Where fucking China from? WWe Was She's getting blasted by Spiderman on a rooftop a UH he was spending some interesting webs stuff and I can enjoy what I enjoy. What the heck with other other people do good hugh need to get? It could not boring. These guys are talking to me. If I was boring. They wouldn't be actually I enjoy dusty anyways but that's all there for stores. I'm sure you would enjoy to do you. Know what dusty would enjoy him to Chris's video is just just. Yeah he says audios going. I'm wasn't until I'm I'm that's because that's because the the video that I was editing getting has finally finished and now uploading it to youtube so is that what happens. What else finally finished? Well it's like he's just Kinda a pixelated but yeah so so bear with me guys. My my video may go a little wonky. Because I'm trying to get this shit uploaded tonight for you guys while I'm on this podcast always fucking working you do. You've got an hour and twenty minutes. Or what's the nightmare. It's ten twenty one years this latest. Take two and a half hours. I'll find yours longest podcast I've ever done. I'm definitely split in the parts. You probably going to have to what funniest we even split it up in. Its own right. We may down the first half the goofball shit and this has been more fucking serious refunding on my first of all. Let me say one thing. Have you ever been anime fan. Yes older anime. I don't like the Shit nowadays holidays. Now Okay actually I am. I am technically an anime fan because I know you talk to the enemy communities from here Japan. Good point what how the enemy tubes the terrible. They're they're horrible why. I don't like mainstream anime. I liked the studio. Yes yes that about. We got about an hour ago. I was it go on their brothers phone brothers. Say Hot Air Buddy. I abide Bro. See Now it is. The delivery brother's they about to say something along the lines of. Thank you fucking ditch the The right way to look at things bro but anyway so yes African American. It is done in American idol. They're dirty rawls. Ranking you. The House shortly would make it. Oh my God. y'All don't look at me like that. I'm not doing anything. I'm waiting patiently. Don't look our voice. Shall I talk sock his all sexy to the microphone now. So how are you doing right now. get out of the way I how we doing it was does he talk like you talking to mark has this is this is is dusty coming into the Mike Right now. I'm using our service pleasure anytime for the shock of dust. Ding Ding Indu impression. Bit that was kind of that was Kinda hot so we're going to do an answer. Mar featuring dusty later podcast. I use right customer service for ten years. I was told I had the perfect nine hundred boys when I answered the phone answered totally different way but I had the most happy customers so now to self. We're going to be doing a Samara zone zone soon. The future featuring dusty microphones Rican. Talk all the way around it and it picks up all the way around. That's called by Naral and then I into stroke it we can do two thousand fourteen. Asmar talking into on top of that. We I creating a realm of the myths fucking porn hub channel as we speak the money to go to Germany. Let's do this thing over here. Featured on porn her relevant presents Germany. He'd be all about it to video. We just need sixteen hundred dollars. We can do this. We all did upload a podcast onto porn hub. Be people would watch it wait. Are we talking about like a real podcast. And we're talking about like a porn podcast. No no real. You know what you know what that. Let's test that theory. I Know You can upload your own shit onto onto those poured sites. Let's upload after hours. Oh my God yes. Let's see what happens. Let's upload after hours and see what happens not my job. Well I know. It's my job his job because he's the big KAHUNA I. It's my job because because nobody else wants to fucking do it ain't got nothing to do with. Nobody else. Wants to sit in the computer all the time editing and uploading videos the better shit to do with my life. Everybody likes talking on the Mike they don't want to edit the shit out says that they're playing used to God so we talked about cars play for half a second. She mentioned she did 'cause play for half a second about fifteen minutes ago so now she's going through her phone taller Kaz place. He's probably GonNa pop her as Sunada now. The good pitcher God does not. What is the one with the big tits? That's I haven't been was for that show. I have a better one with big. Oh shut up see there you can see there Volgin Asia Balti- big tits. I used to work fast. Does anybody know what MAG festers I do. Not Oh susic snag. Mag Fast is something that takes place in either January or February. It's it's IT'S MEG stands for music and gaming coming but 'cause players taken talk me as a character from Ruby Yeah that's Blake Blake. Bella Donna Bam. You'll good but I I worked the land room where people bring in their. PC's to do land gaming. And now I would make sure that everyone's system was checked in. And we put a sticker on Blah Blah Blah That's how I got into MAG fester free. I got free food free lodging getting free. Everything and Qasr play just took over at meg fast and it was horrible. No no no. There's nothing wrong with with constantly. I guess it was just like the community for for 'cause play like conflated fledged Greg because the people put a whole shit on time into these costumes and it's awesome but then like the music and gaming fast got it was no longer museum gaming cons play. That's all I I kinda I kinda get the points. The same reason as I've not a big fan of the renaissance that's festival anymore is in the same standpoint. It wasn't necessarily the cause play. But when I first started going to like Ren fest since Shit like that it was a whole bunch of of Attractions People Sword Fighting Jousting tournaments. The king would do would do cool things and all that now. It's all fucking sales like like three quarters of the rent fair is just booth selling junk Oh my God the amount of fucking times he passed by somebody who who they put some wire around a stone and they selling for twenty five bucks. Yeah you're not kidding. They wire wrapped the stone. Put put put a a regular old shoelace for for your putting it around your neck shoulder for twenty five bucks. People just set up their boost post to do that. There's IT's all sales at run fares these days like 'cause we cause we advocate. We work at. She'll be working. We don't sell anything we go there. Here we fight with our steel but we walk around when we're not fighting and we just it's nothing else. It's nothing but that bulk shouldn't it's like oh my l. stitcher shop. See I miss I I just I the thing I miss them. I miss the old days. I miss the old ren fest as where I'd go and get my fucking giant fucking Turkey leg and then I go sit in the grass and I'd had watch fucking like the tournament for the maidens honor. You know what I mean or or or you know like the random battles that would occur on the grounds there was a black knight used to show up and then the fucking actors who would doing a tournaments with stop the tournament to go fight the armies of the black the Black Knight the fair a Lotta. That had to stop insurance reasons but there was a solid four years as a patron just to go as a patron hatred where I did not go to run fares because I couldn't afford it because that was my I just I. I could afford going into the rent fair but I couldn't afford to do anything the Renfrewshire the shows were free. But it's like let's like right now to to to go to a real fancy one. That's here in New York to take my kids and I cost well over one hundred dollars just to get inside the gate. Dang yeah it's fucked itself food. We saw a lot of the renters we do. Are the smaller ones. We're not going to do a whole summer summer working at a run fair. That's just not our our stick. We we got around to the smaller ones and entertain the crowd and they really appreciate real nights doing that and the beauty of it is. Is We get paid to do it. So that way we don't to be out any money so pretty dope long. It's been a long. We have have insurance so. I'm sure I'm sure Salem Salem. With the REN fest. I'm sure he gets annoyed with the with the assholes who would the cause play not the ones that dress up like wenches that but the ones that dress up is like fucking original to original series star. Trek officers lost time. That's happened. There are our ties and they pretend that they're being down that I've run into that. Our kids to know win the last one. We went to actually had a guy dressed like Tom Baker from doctor. who running around? I just I feel bad for the dudes who like who get these really really cool looking costumes that are actually incredibly expensive. But they're made out of Polyester Holly Esther and it's like ninety five degree like Sonata. Costly costly we showed you guys. I actually sewed all that in it's all breathable comfortable fabric. I made that 'cause that's why that's why people put so much work is plays because yes you can buy that Shit Online. But it's polyester. Don't do that especially going to be out in the heat. Gomaa you'll you'll fucking die just like all the stuff that we were under armor stuff that I've sown because you've gotta have breathable fabrics. Don't get while it's not wrong. Because when I was doing progressing in my later years I stopped wearing the SPANDEX and start wearing a leather pants and that was probably one of the biggest mistakes I ever did did until I until I had a friend in the business who created gear created gimmicks and. He came up with this great idea. Took my leather pants and he cut out the NCAA up the upper leg through the crotch down the other leg and what he did is he took spandex on that. Every attached to that way so I had basically basically breathing holes around that area and that actually actually helped like the right material for the region when you're under them lights working that S. Shit and all that that that's the most uncomfortable thing in the world to be wearing fucking leather doing that Shit No. I don't know how she's gained more. Does that it every single night. Does he wear some tied as lever. I'm talking about Moose knuckle. Mary thing just entrapped threats. Nope just kind of book clenched bit. Yeah and the idea because I I remember the first of all I bought Clenched News Moose. Loose knuckle oh I remember the first time I actually did the live. Steel fighting one another night had joined the same time I did and he actually had a polyester fiber Phil Galveston. It was eighty five degrees that day. Halfway through the first battle he passed out on woke up he was gone goodbye. And everyone's like why. Are you find like this linen. This is con- Con- you know. You gotTa have the right stuff See I don't know damn well I'll tell so you would. I guess I'm not going to get the leather pants. I wanted this Christmas. You can't use that. Remember not to worm extreme heat. Got My answer dope or sent them to my buddy buddy down in North Carolina now and. I'm sure he'll cut out the crotch area and add some spandex to it so you have some breathe that works on offense pants. Emerges sounds mature maturity pants. I feel bad for him. Kill those pants. Becau- sorry those some big expense. I've ever got love okay. I guess leather pants. It's he's GonNa Kill the whole Damn California mechanical about two cows on top of that. I'm just about what about the forest. Something like that. Whether pants right so it's going to be sticking to my ass. Take them off. He doesn't get this. Wu's everybody building dies. You're not lie when I started wearing those leather pants. When you're jostling around in the ring like things get schick shook loose? There's no denying the your Europe you and your opponent or both ripping asked the whole entire time and leather leather does trap that Shit. I threw a fucking drop kick on an opponent one time and you know I I re- I ripped one previously. He swears towards like I put. I put them in a whole the mother fucker did you fart when he's like when you drop kick me because I got up fucking with of it's awful sir. I'm just imagining like you. Got The far trapped up in there and then you drop kick him and it just kind of like shoot up a place at exactly. What it de Terrifying Never GonNa Juicy mixing up you got you got ball swear mixed with Fart. No no no the pro wrestler. I would not choose leather as condemn US getting leather pants. And I'm wondering if I should note I would. I would not want to be a pro wrestler and gets what was it called the hurricane on her her Her KHURANA yeah. I wouldn't want to do that head. They what they put they legs up on you and they follow you by using their momentum from their legs but but there has got to be right up on the reason why I don't do the wrestling. I just watched the not. How do you say at the NACI? I watched the NACI brothers. Those are my bowling instead of us. Guys are interested in WanNa see a lot of my matches. His are up on realm of amidst under wild wrestling days and wide. You W you guys could check that shit out if you want to get a good laugh. When I was young and shape and really fucking skinny below wasn't interesting to our friend? Patches started up the wrestling what does it call the central central New York champions from New York New York championship wrestling and then he said come do a match and I just fell in love with. Yeah it's just. It's not what I expected. Well see that that was something I wanted to say antics. I know anthem said like don't with the with the fan base if it's not wwe or W E or e CW or WCW you or whatever. It's not real wrestling. I'm sorry I've always been the opposite. I respect the wwe and the mainstream guys. But I've always tried to tell people like if you're wrestling fan you've got to go to the independent circuit because to me. I always football college. Football is more entertaining than professional professional football because these guys want it the people of the NFL guy. They already got it so they don't try hard. They got the Czechs got the fan. They got the fortune they don't they don't they. Don't have that hunger. The college guys do the independent circus just to say you spend ten fifteen dollars to go see a show you already. You already are making out because you spent ten dollars instead of fucking two hundred dollars for fucking tickets they may not have the flock in pyrotechnics in the flash and flair but you got the dudes that are flocking in Hungary and they will put their bodies on the line to entertain you even know that existed in independence argue no no such thing as a flipping DT and so also this mandal. Jake add listen. It flipped feed does a springboard flips at En- drops robs. You want your head I will say it straight out even before your boy patches. I will say straight out if you're wrestling with my boys anyway. Anyway over that we're talking about New York good ship wrestling wrestling fan. I will say I will say hey for patches. If you're a wrestling fan in New York go check that federation outmanned. Do yourself a favor spend the fifteen twenty dollars to go get a ticket. Go see and independent show. I promise you you'll look at look at wwe and shit like that and be like. Why am I going to spend that money what I can go see my local guys right here and we and we went to? I bet we bought t-shirts speaking Gobert journey pro to chip got somebody like you got independent. T- independent wrestling DOT TV. You got all these places. You can't even get to a show you can find on the Internet. Trust like to play called dirty pro and like you get an incident of it with all these wrestlers is going at it. It isn't a bar so you can get yourself a drink on top of that you get to be some of the wrestlers to the super recall is a you know what used to be some of my favorite things when I when I was a wrestler wasn't wasn't so much a match like I enjoyed the match on out you know controlling the emotion into the crowd and the fan base and all but what really enjoyed to me is like you know intermission where I would just come out and I would hang out with the fans. I'm a skinny dude from the streets. The Philadelphia is. There's nothing special about me in any way shape or form but you go to an independent show and these kids they look at you like you're Hawk fucking Hogan Begin Dude like they just they wanna take pictures with you they wanna get an autograph signed as Shit and you know I. It's so cool of an experience. I'm telling you go to an independent show. The guys will bend over backwards for you as a fan base and the ladies because there are female wrestler sue the show will nominal. It'll show will be phenomenal. Even though it doesn't have all the GLITZ and glamor the in ring work is phenomenal. You will not be disappointed and even if you are you're out ten twenty bucks exactly and I understood why emerging you can like like you got a little extra bucks by emerged. It helps them get to the show and to show you what you just got rid of. I'm trying to figure out how to screen rotate for you. I'm sorry this is making me WanNa. You didn't worrying. I'll tell you something else. So here's something here's something to think about. If you're a mainstream extreme wrestling fan you gotta support the independence. Because where do you think happier. Mainstream guys came area and to show you how small I am. This is me. Would those wrestlers does telling you about glorify one talking tiny but she got the stir the saw again again just they were exciting. When can I get a picture taken? Please and Saas gotta give him a shout-out Zimmer Boys Chris we want to jump up in a ring now this I don't know I'm I'm I always say I got one left. Ama but I know. I don't on five Chris I got you interested. What thirty six? Ah He's three right now. He's still throughout the Democrat. Every once in a while. When I stopped when I stopped wrestling I started feeling the damage I did the myself? Okay I don't think I don't let Al.. I'm not quite ready for now. I'm very about Rosen's awesome school. Shit I might need to go get shade cardio and we'll see what you gotta do is get a visit New York and we'll get you hooked up. I mean you're you're you're in Philadelphia. I wanted to go to Kara. I could do that. I can also go to fucking ring of honor I can go. They'll go to Riga longer. Don't don't do it. There's a lot of things going on right now. You don't want to be here it's see. Here's here's the deal. Even though I've retired fired back in two thousand twelve I've had such a long career and I've wrestled from Fuck in New York to Florida from fucking New Jersey to Colorado Iky walk into almost any federation today. Abby like put me on the card and they probably do so and it's not because it's not because some star but it's because I have that experience if you come up through the NYC W patches would get you in 'cause we're good patches and yeah but but with the city broken down fucking ex-wrestler fucking on his guard. No one of the teams is literally the Stepdad's yes they're awesome dope speaking could have like teams like that vote. I saw him as a father and a son. Oh that's cool. Yeah you know what that has always been my dream. That has always been my dream. I got the older son who is now actually a an age. Where when he was younger he really wanted to become a professional wrestler wrestler? I remember when he was twelve years old and he was talking to me one time. He's like Dad. I figured out how to become a professional wrestler. I'll listen what do you got and he says well you you know you look at the Rock and you look at Some of the other guy whose name an officer like that. They're all second and third generation wrestlers so the key to get into the. WWE IS B be at K. L. O. Audio and video. I will get the look on. He's like Oh my God who's gone you were for you bet. Yeah you were forbid you're here that's it it's We we had to cut out for about thirty seconds allergy galaxy. We rely on it too much. Yeah Allergy we bought into much the four. Yeah Internet for I should I should. I mean I always wanted wanted to be one of one of the things I always wanted for the end of my career was. I wanted to manage my son. I would love to tag with them but at least manage my kid. That would be an awesome thing. I could see that I would love if one of my kids would pick a cup of sword but I don't think they will get their own lives their own ideas you want Chris. I goals trend wrestler and that can be steps on that they go. I'll manage you and I'll be like come on. Come on you. We know he's my kid. We look alike are taxi. We'll be called a different strokes. There you go fuck up anthem way. Does that get a ding. I don't know we the different strokes. Fuck T. blindside roques. That tells you it's definitely getting late. Second AIDS Oh shit. The section a SH- terrible section. Aides say I know I know I think it's time to wrap this up and Sell to we are running out of Shit to say in knocking Ari fill it. We are all at that point. We already AH. Yeah you do have to go home and you gotta get up at five in the morning. I don't cut out. Everybody cut out now yet is here. I'm here to I'm trying. He's not I'm still here. I'm still here all right. We'll find you you can find you can find me on Anchor Dot FM where you can also find me on our poll spotify spotify. Google play Google podcast. Whatever the hell they call it these days climbing on and on On spotify can find me on radio public. We can go down the list. You hear me now. I'm hearing you I hear you clears day. Well at least it's recording bitch day. You hear me on any podcasting the platform there is and on top of that you can also find me on youtube under Delivery Broza. Anthony Anthony Anthony Delivery Bros.. It's one of those and I'm tired. Leave me alone anyways And it also check out around with Ms Fraga misters F there. Check them out checkouts sock drawer. And they're lovely personalities also also it comes down to it Hashtag does Thanks Fuck Hashtag. Rambo ran the What's the I guess those CIBA's any consolation insulation you can talk to me dusty? Also fine Chris on old man stole lay on. That's not on an old man but not on. 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