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Episode 361 - Not a Special Session

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Episode 361 - Not a Special Session

"Atheist nomads episode three sixty one. SPECIAL NOT SESSIONS? podcast your about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who has please be advised. Welcome to another episode of atheists, nomads I am Dustin and joining us, Lauren below and I'm going to go for as close as possible to live the tape with this. Because it is late and I am sorry about the episode being late. I spent. Seventy six hours as Schrodinger cat. Pretty sure I didn't have covid, but didn't have the test result yeah! At first you. Thought you did so there was very stressful. There was the out of the seventy six hours between getting swabbed and getting the test result there was. Probably thirty six hours of that. I was growing in certainty. That I didn't have it yeah. And then finally got the result of. Not detected. And started to. psychosomatically think that he had symptoms that maybe he didn't. Or attributing them to something that wasn't the case. Do that if You look at the symptoms for Covid, nineteen and pretty generic. And, like you buddy who suffers from allergies or having this summer cold. Can feel like they're going to die. That's scary and there's plenty of information out there on. How you shouldn't thank you have it for some of these other things like a cold or allergies and equal amount of information, or equal amounts of information out there about people who were actually positive and misinterpreting it as a cold or allergies. And individual, then allergy season like serious allergy. Season is pretty much over. And shed June itself. Yeah, it's pretty hard So. Yeah, it was a pretty simple process though you. Did we did one of those driving. swabs. We were so lucky. Apparently they had been packed and we got there during a break so fast with an hour, while other people were waiting up to three hours in their cars. Can you imagine doing that with two and a half year old in the backseat? We got so lucky. She use fine entertained herself. She Sang. She got a little checkup and she was thrilled Oh my gosh yeah. Doc Nick Stephens really prepping her for. A career as a CNA. Or better or better. Start with the CNN. Yeah, that's always a good place to start with anything medical, yes. But we're we're in like. Much of the country Idaho's a place where cove is coming back with a vengeance. Because when you reopen things bars, people think oh, that means it's done. We can get back to normal. That was not supposed to be the message. And that was the message until that last stage. And they reopened. What was the bars? Gems they. All. Those were earlier. Those were staged three Oh. We got moved back to stage three. MINUS BARS because of how bad the uptick was. Yeah, because when you're going with two week. Reevaluation. Everything you're seeing is two weeks behind. Yeah, so if you make a change, it's going to take about a month for that. Changes Affect to really start. percolating through everything. And it could take up to six weeks to actually know what effect that had. But what if you keep moving now? Covering thanks. That was quick. Apparently, people swamped. Downtown just drank themselves into a disease. And like even with with all the recommendations on unmasking in places that are mandating masking which Idaho is not. It's masking win practical. Eating and drinking. You can't do wearing a mask, no and the bars. Put Up, plastic. They separated the bartenders, but That doesn't that doesn't stop people from crowding a bar to get to get bruce if it's be if you're being waited on, that's one thing. But if you have to go up to the bar to get something, yeah, you're going to get. You're going to be touching people. You're going to be running into people. Asymmetric people will spread it Good old Ada County and today I had a negative test. Result that I got. Two hundred seventeen people in Idaho did not ouch. We have broken the records. Dan Days like breaking a new record and of the things that is interesting look at. I know because of working in a lab and seeing. Errors and Stuff flowing across interfaces. I know the labs get backed up especially if it's outpatient stuff and it's being sent to reference laboratories somewhere else. Those get backed up and so you can get multiple days results all at the same time. So the fourteen day average really helps seven averages as well really helped balance that out. It's guy. Chia! Yeah, it's not a good graph to look at. Know very uncomfortable. If it turns around. We are in a second wave. If, it doesn't slow down which there is no indication that it will. Then! That first thing that happened back in in the beginning of April, wasn't even a wave that was the foothill that was that was a bump. Platinum curve was the goal not. Just delay it. Every state has been trying to work through reopening plans. Two weeks ago. I who went to phase four I like to call it Defcon four out of four phases. interestingly bars were supposed to be in phase for. But they allowed dining rooms restaurants to open up and phase two and they quickly figured out that most restaurants bars. And there wasn't. They were able to figure out a meaningful way to distinguish between a restaurant and a bar, so they moved bars up to face three. Which is why Ada county which is Boise Meridian Cuna Eagle. which has presently two thirds of all new cases of Covid in the State of Idaho? has moved back to face three with all bars in Ada County being closed including the bars in restaurants. Is that if people are going up to a to a central area to get something. That's going to expose anybody who goes into that area. And if the goal is an organized setup where you have spacing that is controlled and run and managed by staff is the only way you can try to do that safely. You need people to go where they're supposed to go and stay there. Sit. So. Now, you can go to a place and get drinks if you are sitting at a table. and. Somebody who works, there is bringing the drink to you. Classy while wearing a mask, classy shit yeah. difference between a restaurant and a bar is their food involved is food and option. Now in some states that smirke. Organ Organ Wash. Food all bars have food. So that's that's meaningless, but an Idaho. Know, a bar is a place where it's usually a dance club or Tom Greenies, just a gross gathering place where people just drink booze. There's no food involved yeah a restaurant. They will have a bar, but they will have sit down areas, and that's good. A lot of bars do have seating. But they're just going with. If it's a bar, it's closed. and. If it's in a restaurant, the bars closed. So yeah. The rest of Idaho was. Apparently possibly today, going to be going to just business as usual. And Governor little. said that he's tapping the brakes. Yes slamming on the brakes tapping the brakes. Yeah? Things were not going according to plan. Nine counties in Idaho have still have no cases of covid nineteen. Some of those counties have literally hundreds of people in them. Yes, population is. Not Huge, but it looks good on paper, so those teeny tiny counties with. Okay! I'm sure even the smallest have at least a thousand people, but not by not much more than that. A lot of those some of those don't have any cases at all. So being too draconian might be crazy. None of those counties are tourist destinations. Because all the tourist spots all have it. They're mostly mountain. Or desert or desert. Wait I is mountain more desert looking yeah. Are you north or south of the Snake River Plain? Idaho jokes. He wouldn't get it yeah yeah. All right so. This all of course was coincided with A. Group of. The furthest right Republicans in Idaho. Idaho state, legislature and foundation. At least aligned with the Freedom Foundation, yes. Centers. Plus each whatever they call themselves now tea party when it used to be. The Tea Party is turned into some kind of weird. Racists Colt. Okay, so there was. Three percenters. Led by Ammon Bundy. To provide protection. Or the gathering ammon and Bundy the guy who took over the Malheur, county that out here National Wildlife Refuge for forty one days and didn't die. Surprisingly, he's still acts up every once in a while. Is encourages people to bring their guns to. Quote Unquote protect. Yeah, no, they're not intimidating. They're just protecting the people there. Earlier in the pandemic Ammon Bundy has been getting groups together to like. Do Armed protest outside of police officers poems, yeah. We've talked about a lot this year. Arresting people, he was calling for Easter services to not be cancelled and held one and held one. He's been doing some. Protests? Armed protests outside of the governor's house. They both live in Emmett so. It's not hard for him to drive down the street. Go to somebody's personal address and harass them, yeah. Harassing that cop was not cool now. And so they're. They! They along with a group called freedom man. Which is a political action committee somewhat associated with e Idaho Freedom Foundation not officially, though, but it's not registered with anybody Stern, so they're not. No. They're not. It's just a group of people who are. Pulling money to give to politicians without? And they won't register. They said straight out. They're not gonNA do that ever. They think filing the paperwork to be able to do unlimited dark money. Would infringe on their freedom too much. So. Like wearing a mask or being a decent person. Yeah. So, they wanted. Hundreds or thousands of people to show up for this. They're hoping to get as many members of the legislature there. The Lieutenant Governor who. Is Fat Shit Insane one of them. Was Ready to show up if any senators were there to. Gavel in a Senate session. This was all under. A! Got Two lawyers in Arizona. To dig through. They finally found a lawyer somewhere in the united. Take their money and find some obscure law to make this from the tense Cold War. Cold War Loss Yep because I. Love Him, so this is a Cold War Law that said that in the event. Of a foreign attack like a nuclear strike. The. Legislature could meet in a special session. Without the governor calling it. And without needing a full quorum. Assuming that Ha-. You know everybody's dead. But the first part of that is. A major foreign attack, so they then said that covid nineteen is a Chinese military attack upon the United States. That was that was? That was imaginative, very creative. I think they earned their money for coming up with. Shit. So, then lawyers ban no offense lawyers out there, but you know you know so then they took took that to all right. We're going to form a session. We need as many people from the legislature to show up. So! Fifteen members of the House representatives showed up. Fifteen out of seventy, yeah, yeah! Not a corum you need to have a majority of the members show up for quorum. No session was called. They adjourned for the year. Two months ago. And the governor is the only one allowed to call a special session. So there! This was just debacle. It's literally in the Idaho State Constitution. Took a conference room and try to call it some big political move, but It wasn't so they met and. Gathered in as close as they could nobody wearing any masks. With a crowd of more than two hundred people. Many of whom were armed. Filling the public galleries on the fourth floor. To Watch and cheer also tightly packed together. And the only people in the entire space, wearing masks or the media, yeah. A little bit of natural selection. A little bit of A. Hope there that? The disease will just these people? No, I wouldn't say that's terrible. Yeah, Yeah, that's. Just, it's asked you know as many times, people have done stupid shit on surprise. Something worse hasn't happened right? How is it that well? It has all those Easter services that in pastors and people getting really sick. Oh, the the church has been gathering unfettered for a while now in Union county. Like an enterprise in northeastern Oregon. If had over two hundred cases because basically everybody in the church DOT covid yeah. Some. People are okay with that. They're like well. We'll let it just go through the community. And those who live will live on and those who die well okay. Except most of the people are going to die are. Old and okay well, that might help clean up the electorate a little bit. They're gonNA die soon anyway. If you're talking about people in their eighties there, the most likely to die. And for younger people. It's more likely that if it does anything, it's going to leave them crippled. yeah, we're learning more and more about post. Covid Syndrome. Is there an official name or it. No, it's just symptoms that linger in people who've gotten Cova D-, so there's a lot of respiratory problems. Oregon issues. Liver and Kidney Kinda stuff -firmative smelling possibly permanent smelling loss imagine losing smell. Because you didn't WanNa wear a mask? Yeah tick. In Texas you allergic to meet. Yeah just. Little things like that man's crazy so this this gathering they. Met To issue a proclamation. Calling for a special session. So the initial. Media attention this was getting was that no, this was a special session. This was going to be an illegal special session and I think they actually leaked that out to get the media to show up. Yeah, and then they're like well. Of course, it's only fifteen of us, so this isn't a session, but we should have won, so they issued a proclamation fifteen members of the house. Representatives are calling on governor to issue a proclamation. Or to call a special session so that? They can stop him from being a dictator. Yes he's going to call a special session so that you guys can undermine him. During out an emergency, yeah! Oh, my God. How's everybody else's states doing? The mess ours is a tire fire right now. Texas is worse on so sorry Houston. Texas is running out of ice. You beds have run out. Houston's run out. There are still three percent of ICU beds in Texas are still available. Houston's just out. Arizona's in horrible horrible shape. South Carolina Georgia basically the whole sunbelt. Could also call the Bible belt. Coen's yeah, now that's. It's an age thing probably. Much. Thing actually. From the Office of National Statistics for the United Kingdom. A survey of deaths by religious group in England and Wales. Bound that. People who reported having no religion. Were the least likely to die. Of covid! By like twenty percent it because they're not cramming into small buildings. And are also more likely to listen to experts. Nonreligious experts Christians were the. Next least likely to die. Muslims were the most likely to die with Jews and Sikhs. Falling somewhere between Christians and Muslims. Jewish males had quite twice the risk of Christian males for one one example of it. But no religion. Like we're talking a difference of. Eighty seven deaths per one hundred thousand males or eighty point seven deaths per one hundred thousand miles. And forty seven point nine deaths per one hundred thousand females for no religion. For Muslims. It's a hundred ninety eight point nine deaths per one hundred thousand males. And Ninety eight point two deaths per one hundred thousand females. So. Can happy linked directly to the types of gatherings that are associated. Or is it more to do with communities? It's. They tried to to. Account for as much as they could. Nonreligious people are yes the least likely to routinely gather with large groups of people. In Britain. Or. Elsewhere the exception would be bars. Everybody gathers in bars pubs in in Britain. except for some of these other groups for the religious ones. So But they accounted for socio economics. They counted for age, and they found that none of those were significant. Distinctions Would be a fair distinction is that Muslims are more likely to live in? insular communities. They're more likely to be recent emigrants. They are most likely to be in poverty. And they are most likely to not trust the government. Get that so. They're most likely to die, because of those reasons and most likely to go ahead and gather. Regardless of of the public. Pronouncements. And as a result they are. Four Times more. Likely, to DIE THAN People who are not religious at sucks? I mean for not being for being non religious, but. That's sucks. Now there are probably other. Other factors at play because of. Like when you're talking about Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs in Britain you're talking about. Specific groups. And everybody else being in different ethnic groups like religion and ethnicity. Line up a lot more than they do in a lot of other countries. Yeah, and if you look at the US. Black people or the most likely to die of covid nineteen. Hispanics are second most likely to die. Actually Native Americans are second most likely to die. Hispanics Wall in a little bit. To the native Americans is so funny. The talking about was how many. We'll see how many how many black people are killed by police. versus Hispanics Services Whites. And what about the native Americans how many what what group population has women disappearing? For unexplained murders like. Nobody ever mentions with native Americas all. There is statistic do guys but white people are the least likely to die in the US. And if you look at those numbers in Britain, one of the things that are saying is that white people are less likely to die than not white people. There's definitely some. Systemic racism that is a big fat, and it's not because our immune systems are better. No, no, no, no and he kind of biological supremacy here. It's yeah. It's poverty and access to medicine. As a big one, and how much you trust the healthcare system that's true. If you don't trust the healthcare system, then, of course you're not. GonNa go. Go into the hospital. I went in to get tested because. I had a couple of weird symptoms that came up at the same time and when the? Urgent Care called back to check up on my. When the urgent care called the checkup on how my hand was doing from that nasty cut that I should've gotten stitches. I as a I mentioned. To symptoms that I was having. You should go get tested. To Mild? Seemingly, not relevant symptoms like you should get tested. As an employee, I then figured okay. I'm not allowed in the building right now at work which I can work from home. Maybe I should call the hotline. Sorry did. Yes. Go get tested Oh my God. He waffled on that so. Then, as soon as decides to go tested all of a sudden. You it's not that he imagines things going wrong things go wrong I. Mean you start to get headaches or joint pain? But he was getting back pain, not because of a disease, but because he been resting in a couch for too long, and a headache was probably due to I mean who knows what I. It's just. Little things you started Oh my gosh. Is this a symptom or my gosh? Is this a symptom? Oh, my Gosh! Look at this checklist and says I have fifteen out of twenty symptoms. Just Chill Just Shell. That's not possible though you. Not during a global pandemic, no, no I I know I understand why you reacted. The way he did is just funny that that is human nature. And also. I used to watch a lot of those. Now looking back, and I'm kind of stupid medical dramas and comedies that were on TV scrubs scrubs house. Grey's anatomy. And there's always the big thing on. Lump the symptoms together don't split them. So if you have a bunch of things happening, put everything together. What does that paint? Even though it is perfectly plausible to have allergies causing some things and side effects to your antibiotics causing something else. And a two year old causing fatigue. I. Mean this is what okay so we had we had A. Stomach bug. Go through probably cold, yeah! And then so covert nineties scare there. We get a slice hand. With problem with probable infection Yep, and then we had what was before that. Oh. You want to go back that far. There was hand foot, mouth, disease, hand, foot and mouth disease there. Apparently sometimes. Testicles just get inflamed and Suck, they hurt. Yeah, I'm an happened. Dust is actually I. think cost us more money medically than you had surgery. Oh! I forgot the surgery. You're right. No. Definitely cost more, but you're actually pulling your weight this year. You you've finally Here deductible? which actually means that Kylie doesn't have one room. because. We've actually filled up the family deductible. That sucks. Yeah, yeah, all right In. UTAH? At Brigham Young University. Someone. Vandalized the Brigham Young Statue. Spray painting the word racist across the base of it. Okay on Point Yup. and. Brigham Young University is saying that this caused a thousand dollars in damage. Right they're trying to make it A. Felony Yup Misdemeanor and if you can claim. Is doesn't take much. Two do thousand dollars worth damaged because it's so expensive to cleaned that stuff up. Now Why is it that they think that Brigham Young was a racist? Do well, he wants, said quote, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible. We must believe in slavery. This colored race has been subjected to severe curses which they have brought upon themselves. In quote. Yeah, no total. The whole religion was based on the street. And it still is. It's just insane. So yeah, so that's. Like I said that's on point. Really is. Planned parenthood of Greater Washington and North Idaho. Is. Suing. A church. They are suing the church because of how loud their protests are. Outside of the clinic in Spokane, man so. They like breaking the decibel rule for. What they're doing is they show up and have loud religious services outside of the clinic. Interfering with treatment and intimidating patients and staff. So they are seeking a injunction. To Stop the church from holding gatherings of several hundred people. Outside of the clinic. While Yeah. That's insane. Do they have a permit for that? I highly doubt it. Yeah, the city. Just let that slide. This is spokane we're talking about. Yeah, it's not easy. Being Planned parenthood in. Spokane. Gathered antiabortion people are just. Such a jerk Oh. Yeah, so loud and yeah. The Tennessean a newspaper in Nashville Tennessee. Ran a full page ad that the editor. is now. Saying was horrific. that. He's feeling really bad about that. Being run in his newspaper. But it was a full page ad. Predicting that on. July eighteen. Thousand Nine, hundred twenty. Actually I'll just read you the quote. We are under conviction to not only tell you, but to provide evidence that July eighteen twenty twenty. Islam is going to detonate a nuclear device in Nashville Tennessee. Yes. Islam. With, a link to a Bible study by style Oh, my Gosh. Islam. Never mind a grammatical error. Islam is just a thought or idea is going to drop a nuke, yeah? But these people something about July. Making people go nuts. So this particular group. Is. A bunch of now former adventists. They got kicked. They got kicked out of the church for being too crazy. With their prophecies act. When you're, you're in an apocalyptic death. Cult like the adventist church, is you? Oh God. Yeah, you have to be. You really have to push it. You have to really push it to actually get kicked out for it. It happens. The. Yeah, the. Islam is. Going to detonate a nuclear device. What's what's crazy with that is? They have a date. There a specific. event. In a specific place. But not a specific organization. You know what that leaves that leaves any terrorist attack that happens in the month of July. Like they could get away with murder and blame it on quote. Unquote Islam because they prophesized it, but you would have to. They went. They made the mistake of going to specific on the other parts. Yeah, that's true, so it would only be accurate if it was. Isis a Muslim of some kind with a nuclear device. And it would have to be in Nashville on that day in the library with the CANDLESTICK, yeah! But know. Instead somebody else can set up a bomb CEO. It was Islam is like no. You guys are just trying to budget so that your prophecy comes. True can't do that man. And hide be keeping an eye on them is what I'm yeah yeah. Man It's. It's crazy. As a general rule of thumb. Any. Anybody who's a? was kicked out of a group like this. Is kind of way way out there. and. Laurie our. Is Back in the news. Yeah, unfortunately. This was the lady whose. Husband. No brother brother died. Oh God, what was she? She divorced her husband, and then he died, and then he died mysteriously. The she got married to this Chad Guy who bill whose wife had also mysteriously died dip there too kit lorries to kids hadn't been seen in a while Yep. Brother died her then her brother died. And then they booked it to Hawaii after a judge ordered them to present the children. Yeah, so they're like present the children they're like no. Going, white how that happened I. Don't know about flight. Risk the hell. So was it last week two weeks ago. They find they were using Saturdays at June twenty so yeah, in the last week, they used cell phone information on the brother that had died. Found out where he was why he was visiting a field in the middle of the night, the field happened to coincide with Chad the. The demands residents. So yeah, definitely Definitely bad, he they threatened. Yeah, they found the kids he visited in the the field. He visited that property four times in September. And two of those. Visits were all of the night. A. Days after each of the children was last seen yeah. So. Specific? Kind of looks like scoping out the site, and then maybe that's where the kids are. Yeah, so they finally got enough evidence to go in. They found the kids. one was pretty badly mutilated. And the of course, the rest of the families devastated. Distefano they're going to have to zoom the ex wife and ex husband. Of the two. And reexamined their deaths. 'cause. That's pretty an pretty sure. Pretty sure those are not of natural causes. These guys are probably on. Death row. For killing three adults and two children. All in the name of some crazy fringe Mormon. Apocalyptic death cult thought in July, The world is GONNA end July. And there was this particular belief within this group that. People, see people's souls can be lost, and a devil can then or a demon can then. Be In that the person's body. And, it's the only way to get rid of this quote. Unquote Zombie is to kill it so apparently. This lady thought her kids on B.'s. mentioned that to a friend who then reported that to the media so. She probably thought that they were zombies probably because they were standing up for themselves. They're of that age Yeah! It's sucks. It really does everybody's been waiting for the waiting for the kids to be found. They knew it was going to end badly. At least grandparents get some closure. One of the interesting things that they. They found in the. The records when they're looking at Cox's phone. Was a text message. To his wife. About. His then wife because nobody in this story. He'd married to whoever they were married to know. Yeah. That he shot a raccoon and buried it in the pet cemetery. Yeah Oh. What a crazy afternoon I've had! You'll never believe it. Cover story alibi, not very good. So she probably figured something out and. Knows, the the investigator looking at it was like. Wait a minute. You said he shot a raccoon that morning. And RACCOONS ARE NOCTURNAL YEP. So, what was he burying? In the middle of the night. Yeah. What was he doing in the middle of the night that he shot that morning and it was. Kids. Yeah Oh, and he also had debris, he was burning out in the field or in the backyard or something. And one of the bodies was burned. God, ills messed up. This is going to be a movie or Netflix Special Oh! Yeah Yeah. This will get its own. Fifty Truecar to true crime podcast Oh yeah. If! It doesn't have any yeah. Gruesome stuff. And gap be the the the guy is. A, he self published a bunch of books about. This religious ideology. It's this is. This is the kind of stuff that makes religion dangerous is when people who are unstable. Go with it and. Just Murderer Cup half dozen people. Well, they had to find God's hundred and forty four thousand. Oh is that it yeah now wasn't their kids. Apparently, nope, those zombies. Or they finding them in Hawaii, they probably were going to try to find some in Hawaii. I honestly surprised that they stayed in Hawaii I figure that she was gonNA run. Chile would have been her Peru Argentina Ecuador. Ecuador Ecuador. Doesn't extradite Yeah there. We go They also could have gone to us. which would not have extradited them because of the chance of getting capital charges? In a state that does do executions yeah. And what's weird? Okay, so so the Woman Lori? She she got arrested because she didn't produce the children. The guy that she's married to didn't get arrested. He sat outside his property in his car and watched the police as soon as they found. A human remain. He took off. where do you think you're running to? Its firkin was it. Rigby bribery something like riggins. Doughnut Regan's No. What are those are towns? I think as Riley. But there's nowhere to run to. Of course. He got pulled over right away. Quote quote traffic. Stop God. Can you imagine what was going through his mind? As he sat in his car and they're poking around in the place that you know those kids are buried. What! Just. Messed up. Yeah, it's GonNa make a great netflix special go. I just feel really really bad for the grandparents we tried. They really did. For our final story. A. New report from. humanists international. Looked at. The? Life of nonreligious people in Colombia India Indonesia, Malaysia, Nigeria Pakistan, the Philippines and Sri Lanka. Cool okay. And they found they face. Discrimination and persecution and all of those countries right. How's it going to see? That's a list of countries that are very well known for religious persecution. If you're not religious. The countries where if you're listening to us from those countries, please use a incognito browser, or was that one called or Yeah. because. We don't want you getting killed by your government. Like there's there's Mubarak Bala from the Humanist Association Daria who is. Probably dead already probably gone. If not he will be executed for blasphemy soon, yeah. lers. A case in Pakistan where? A couple split up. And the. Still Islamic husband was able to easily get. Custody of the children from his. Atheists ex wife. WHO had to flee the country and seek asylum in Europe. Avoid death. Yeah. Because just getting custody wasn't enough for him. They have found in. Most if not all of the countries they looked at that. The. Discrimination and persecution is particularly bad for women. Well I mean you could you could. Sense onto anything. Really Jan But yeah, we're going to go and leave the news there. All right. And I WANNA. Thank our newest patron. Mark for your support. Or GonNA. Leave it there as a reminder. I am taking next week off. So. There will be no episode next week. It's fourth of July. Do. Happy things or protests or Escape. But stay safe. Wash your hands where Goddamn face mask. And remember not all those who wander are loss. 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Episode 389 - Bonus Rant about the Coup and Social Media

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Episode 389 - Bonus Rant about the Coup and Social Media

"Use nomads upset. Three eighty nine special rant about the latest stuff podcast. You're about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who has please be advised. Welcome to a special episode of atheists nomads. This week you get two special episodes one of the things that i talked about with trying to loosen up the schedule. I haven't hold off doing very well and it's been because you know when you have that habit of just getting it out on trying to get it on thursday and then you sit up and then okay sometimes you get it out a little bit late. One of the goals i had was to build a split up the when their stuff i really need ran about to just get out and do it and not. Just hold off on that and to separate out that from the interviews since that could be useful for people to have the episodes of their interviews. Just be complete standalone and with this week's main episode coming out on thursday it is a special episode with with three women and me just serving as a producer so putting a rant at the start of that would have completely derailed the point of that and so. I'm just gonna do my own ranch right now. Which is going to bump that one from being episode three eighty nine to three ninety. And so yeah. Don't be surprised if i do more stuff like this in the future. Play around with it but one of the things happened with last week's episode. Was you know we did part of the recording before wednesday's riot and then we did the rest a few hours after it. And yeah when you're recording the same day as major stories like that you miss details and one of the details. I'd missed is the statements that trump and some of his cronies made so here is audio from the trump rally that turned into a mob stormed the capital walk down to the capital. Cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women. And we'll probably not gonna be cheering so much for some of them because you'll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong. That's what trump said after. Be strong when you tell crowd to march down to the capital and the to be heard. They won't listen to weakness. Have to be strong. That was trump doing his standard wishy. Washy language doing basically that whole dog whistle thing that has been thrown around where he's got that perfected to where they know that the people listening all know what that means that means go down and threatened to try to get mike pence and threatened to take him out to the gallows erected out front of the capitol to hang him. I'm not gonna actually linked them. But if you've there are videos out there of the some of the more disturbing parts of that with the crowd chanting about hanging mike pence and the guys with zip tie restraints getting ready to take. As many members of congress hostages they could with the computers that were stolen with the capitol. Police that were severely injured. The one that died. I still haven't seen how many of them are in the hospital. Because like one of those those videos. I've seen there was literally hundreds of people pushing on this guy who was stuck in this capital police officer who was stuck in the middle of a doorway and i'm amazed and snap is the way the the guy at the front was grabbing hold of his gas mask. That was an armed. Horrible terrible ma anybody out there who says those mostly peaceful protests is completely full of shit. And if you see anybody saying that feel you definitely got my permission to tell them to fuck off because that is not in good faith anybody who says that was a mostly peaceful protests. Were tries to compare it to the black lives matter. Protests is not making that claim in could face. these are people who try to distract from a failed coup attempt. And there's even people who say oh. Let's let's a coup. They weren't trying to overthrow the government. Well yes they actually were. This is not a normal coup. Because of course it's not normal. We're dealing with fucking trump. Nothing normal with trump. he can't even get a coup to be normal but his term in the oldest in place republic still existing was coming to an end and to stop the process that would cement in his replacement and with the hopes of capturing and killing a bunch of the people in congress to leave the majority a majority of people who do whatever trump says that was absolutely a coup attempt and it failed so people who call it an insurrection. Yes it was. They were trying to overthrow congress in an attempt to overthrow not only the congress but the next administration. That's going to be taking over here next week. There was a coup attempt and trying to get rid of that election and overthrow the democratically elected congress overthrow the election. Anybody who says it was a protest no the days of calling stuff like that protests pass to be over a protest is when you have a group of unarmed signs trying to get attention a riot is when you have people storming and destroying things and a insurrection is when you have an armed group to a government building. I'm going to be doing a series for dozen off the degree here. Soon about the sagebrush rebellion. Because that's really. This is a lot of the suffer. Seeing is descended from that and ammon bundy was contacted by the local media. Here in boise about his thoughts on the coup attempt and the on last wednesday and he'd been up in the mountains for a couple of days so he didn't hear about it till after he got home. That evening louise. That's his alibi. And yes he is sure that his his quote unquote protests with a lot of armed people at the idaho. State capitol was a inspiration for this and yes. There was the one in michigan before that been once in oregon since then but the idaho capital actually has the benefit of being a very like basically a replica of the us capitol so it was a much closer approximation of how to do that how to break in and like with his protest back in july. They broke doors to get into the the house galley during a special session. A literally broke doors shattering. Glass breaking the doors so that they would open because they were locked because it wasn't open to the public because of a pandemic and try to change and amend bundy is also a great example of like his malheur national wildlife refuge occupation or. Was it six weeks. I think anybody who call that. A protest was trying to placate him and people like him. It's now five years later or six years later. And what are people like him doing now. They're taking guns and storming. Capitol buildings ammon bundy has been keeping the spirit of the sagebrush rebellion alive into the twenty first century. And it has exploded in to the maga- mess. We have now what he did at the mouth here. National wildlife refuge was a armed insurrection. Not a protest. What the armed groups. The armed group that took over the us capital. That was an armed insurrection. It was not a protest. The armed group that got into the oregon state capital last wednesday. That was a armed insurrection. Not a protest be correct way to handle protests. Is you listen to them. And i hate to say it but the correct way to handle an armed insurrection is with the military. You look at the news. There are at least fifty. One armed protests being planned starting january seventeen and on through to the inauguration in every state capital and the us capital. It's looking like washington. Dc should have at least fifteen thousand national guard troops by that time and probably another ten thousand federal police agencies please agents to provide security. I hope every state gets enough security. It's police or national guard to protect themselves from he's insurrectionists and we all need to remember that's the part that's important yes trump getting being held accountable for inciting a mob needs to be that needs to happen. The most important thing is these mobs need to be taken care of. And they need to be stopped so that we don't have more and then of course when you talk about the social media side and the other quote unquote tech companies from amazon web services to stripe to the google play store. The apple app store twitter facebook instagram pinterest. At sea read it. If it is supporting donald trump or being used by his supporters to plan their armed revolutions. There they keep getting shut down now. Anybody who says oh. That's that's horrible anti-conservative censorship. no no no no it definitely not if companies have the right to have a say on whether or not their employees have access to birth control i e e hobby lobby then companies. Sure as hell of the right to not let their platforms be used to plan the. Follow up to an armed insurrection. It's not that they're afraid that might happen. It's it's already happened. They're afraid is going to happen again. And don't want to be used for a second one to be planned because they already allowed one to be planned on their platforms like we're talking some serious corporate guilt here. That is really. They really should have because they should have stopped this at least a month or two ago. But they've waited until people are dead and until an actual attempt to overthrow congress has happened the and it is also worth noting that parlor which has been thrown out of the app stores and Okay the app store in playstore and has been booted off amazon web services. They're suing amazon and one of their complaints is actually valid. The amazon didn't give them the thirty days notice. they should have also valid. That amazon has pretty much a monopoly. An antitrust presence on the internet those are both actually pretty valid. Amazon should have been started getting parlor off of their platform more than thirty days ago. So if anything their complaint is valid because they were still on the platform and the the people who are claiming that we're losing free speech and like even bazil is getting some flack from people saying that they're statement that for us to have a free and open internet we do need to have moderation. That takes out eight and violence at that means. Oh they're not in favor of free speech or an open internet note they absolutely are there in favor of a responsibly a responsibly. Run open internet where the people who run platforms are responsible for the content on those platforms. I run several websites. I am responsible to make sure that the comments are fine. Don't get a whole lot of comments Most of what comes in gets filtered out of spam but every so often a comment comes in. That's not appropriate and i delete it. The ones that are fine from our actual listeners. I leave as somebody with a platform has reach. I know that. I have an obligation to make sure that the content that goes out on the show is up to standards and when i ended up accidentally getting a interview scheduled with a flatter. I didn't do it. There's actually now three interviews. That i have stopped one fourth that i wish i had stopped. And that's because. I am responsible to make sure that the content on on my site lives up to the standards that i set for my site. The same is true. For bigger sites run by large public publicly traded corporations like facebook and twitter they have the obligation to make sure that the people that are using their site are following their rules. If they don't they will have anarchy. Literal anarchy speech is not the same as anarchy and free speech has never been unlimited. You can't yell fire in a crowded theatre just like you can't plan a revolution on a social media site that doesn't mean that some of these complaints and people are having about how this is being handled. Don't need to be discussed. That's a discussion that needs to be saved for after the violence has been stopped. Stay safe stay informed. Please fewer in a state capital or the. Us capital do not try to counter protest. Stay out of the way of the police. 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"It's it's free talk live and we've apparently had live mike entire time so hopefully we haven't said anything a brought to you tonight. Just oria in bondi studio so that's fun anyway. Today's news the most interesting thing i've seen. Is this iranian cleric. Who is claiming that the covid nineteen vaccine is turning people into homosexuals now. Obviously there's no truth to this and it's just more of the the iranian regime's anti-homosexuality anti western medicine sort of thing but it's interesting nonetheless. It comes to us from the new york. Post is just. It's just fascinating. What they will just make up on the spot with no evidence behind it whatsoever. Of course it's not that different from the american government. But it's hard to get america's to admit that is a cleric in the government. What's the cleric a. I don't know the exact definition of a cleric has seems to be what they call their priests in iran. As far as i know. I i had no idea i mean. According to wikipedia a cleric is also a priest or bishop in dungeons and dragons. I don't know what that means as far as what it means in iran. Sort of priestly person. But the maybe it's like a state. Priest state is kind of a religion. It is absolutely a religion so a cleric in the iranian regime told his followers that the covid nineteen vaccination turns people into homosexuals. Which is punishable by death and iran. I think the top cleric in iran. If i recall correctly a boss to brazilian made the outrageous claims tuesday on the social media platform telegram. According to the jerusalem post he said don't go near those who have had the covid vaccination they have become homosexuals to breezy and who lives in the religious capital of and whose followers referred to him as ayatollah has a history of promoting bigotry and false information about western medicine last year. This tell the -tarian burned harrison's manual of medicine in a videotape ceremony claiming that islamic medicine had made such books irrelevant. According to a radio free. Europe radio liberty broadcasts service like other clerics the region also to breezy and relates. This is clearly translated. He relates all of these shortcomings to sexuality said a dissident the clerics in iran or suffering from a lack of knowledge and humanity actually his goal of spreading nonsense is to try to scare people out of getting vaccinated while the leader of the regime and other officials got the pfizer vaccination and they don't provide it to the people with the excuse that they don't trust the west hold on so the regime leaders got the vaccine. But they're also saying it makes you gay. He's alleging that they got the vaccine. Whole government of iran is okay. It sounds like they may undo their death penalty. Laws ended by dash by seeking to scare the public and not getting vaccinated against one thousand. Nine years fueling the pandemic and putting lives at risk tatchell added. Now tuchel is a property. Yeah sorry gay. Rights advocate even iran. Or is he outside. He was talking to an israeli paper so presumably outside of iran. Yeah he'd be a teredo enough to stay in. Iran gay rights activists in iran. Yeah by the way. There's a guy in our telegram chatroom that we've got a telegram free talk live chat that's associated with the freetalklive like channel. I don't know if you've seen this yet. Yes and people can comment there and stuff like that right. There's a guy from iran who's a regular listener. Free talk live which is pretty cool. That is cool. yeah well hopefully. He's listening tonight. Same sex sexual activity is punishable by execution. In iran and thousands of gay people have been put to death since the iranian revolution in nineteen. Seventy nine well into thousand and nineteen and iranian. Foreign minister defended those entra atrocities to germany's public broadcasting network saying our society has moral principles and we live according to these principles. These are moral principles concerning the behavior of people in general and that means that the law is respected and the law is obeyed. What exactly is immoral about two people who love one another. I don't know you'd had excuses. I know what the bible the bible doesn't really explain it either states. It and says i can't do that. I don't know why does it even really say that. Or is that just a translation of the bible says it does say that the old testament very clearly says that like there's bad is repeatedly but there is some dispute about whether or not that's actually in the original hebrew tax and whether it got added and or mistranslated evidently if you ask these people who make that claim they were referring to men having sex with young boys as being immoral and not just all case expert translators either misunderstood or misunderstood. Yeah so that that could have been the origin of that. I don't know. I can't verify any of these claims because i don't read hebrew and even if i did i have better things to do with my time to find out what this fictional book says about gay people but in two thousand eighteen in two thousand nineteen iran executed at least nine children. Evidently as us ratcheted up sanctions after accusing the country of violating a nuclear agreement. That's pretty much it on that. There's not much more to say about it. It's just insane from the iranian leadership. It's not that different from donald trump and some of the extravagant claims that he's made but americans won't see that what does he make. What extravagant claims just curious. I can't think of any off the top of my head. My okay but he has certainly made. Extravagant claims almost never no sense gay people to death though he hasn't said no absolutely not. I mean that's not an extravagant claim. That's a grotesque. A nation of a statement extravagant claim would be something like. Oh yeah we didn't land on the moon or whatever you know just something nonsensical that trump believes he was re tweeting. Some cunanan people at some point so he certainly made some ridiculous allegation man. I gotta say. I miss trump's tweets. I do too. I don't think he's okay. He was entertaining. Yeah and joe biden. So far has not been entertaining late. I don't care about what they're doing in dc. But i am curious. Like what would trump be saying right now if he still had access to social media about apparently they're like putting him on trial now in the senate so that whole part of the impeachment procedure has begun so we don't get to hear what he has to say. His his lawyer came out and said that he's not getting due process so we know he'd be saying that this isn't due process. I i haven't followed the impeachment closely. I know it's happening. But i do find it either. I find it here. A bit scary. How the social media networks and the major tech companies of the united states just came together all at once to effective to effectively ban the sitting president from the internet. Yep that'd be pretty wild. I mean he can't contact us not. I don't have anything that i want to hear but call in. That's true six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty if donald trump is out there listening. Give us a call. We've said we've got room for him on the free. Talk live social. I mean if if don wants to sign up over social dot freetalklive dot com. He's going to be surrounded by a bunch of libertarians. Because that's the bulk of who has signed up for social dot freetalklive dot com but we will not censor his posts. Nope he is he. If he signs up its social dot freetalklive dot com. And you can too if you want. We also have a matrix surfer that people can find at chat dot freetalklive dot com. Which is like a decentralised. Federated discord alternative. Yeah kind of poly centric. I think is probably better better term but yeah it's also decentralized that it's not like corporate like discord in other news The bundy family is in the news again. This time militias in general have been in the news lately revolutionaries all of that because the leftists are back in charge in dc and every time they get in control. They always tried out the so-called domestic terrorists and start to see the news media focus in on militias and quote unquote domestic terrorism. Which is what they're labeling anybody. That was inside. The capitol building on january. Sixth the month ago what they've also included libertarians in their list of potential domestic terrorists despite the fact that libertarians adhere to the non aggression principle. This is true although they have a right to be concerned. Because some of the libertarians out there believed that it is adhering to the non aggression principle to go out and shoot cops in the streets so i mean it just depends on you. Know how they consider that their principal and how they want to put it to use you. You have a point but these militia groups. What's going on with them Bundy seems to be at cliven. Bundy i think is his name. Is that correct. This is actually ammon bundy. Cliven is his father. Okay they are the you can probably tell the story but at the night. Yeah there were. There was an issue. I don't know if it was not quite a decade ago but maybe twenty thirteen Cliven bundy had a ranch. Probably still does out in nevada and they were cancelled their catalan. This ranch and there were like ranch. Backed up to some eero blame management lands and they were letting the cattle graze on the blm lands not of land management and. They didn't like that and the government came after For whatever reason. I forgot all details anyway. There was a big standoff. Like an actual arm standup i think. Fbi building or a federal building taken over. It was really part of the story of six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty. This is free talk live. It's free talk five. Talk radio that you control in call in. Talk about whatever's on your mind at six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty with you tonight. It's aria funny and ian and bitcoin dot com for those watching it. It's a it's the best place for winning about cryptocurrency and as i was care carelessly getting out for those watching bitcoin. It's been a fascinating story. It's not too late to get into it. Head on over to bitcoin dot com. Click on get started to learn all that you need to know about cryptocurrency and bitcoin as well as bitcoin cash. There's all sorts of information. There's and let me really don't have any excuse for ignoring this any longer just a few weeks ago. Bitcoin was at thirty three thousand after a crash and it was dying again. And then it's pushing fifty thousand today so who knows what it will do next. But based on what recent patterns. I'm gonna say now still a good time to buy or if you are knowledgeable user. Visit news dot. Bitcoin dot com to get the latest headlines. Everything that's relevant to you. Bitcoin dot com one of my favorite websites. Go for crypto currency needs in general elon. Musk apparently thought it was a good time to buy. Didn't he. by one point five billion dollars for on behalf of tesla earlier this week. He did today and it seems that tesla wants to accept bitcoin as payment for its vehicles. Very exciting it is. I can't wait to see it for more companies. I think that there was a story a long time ago. I mean i. I recall several years ago. Hearing that tesla at least some dealers were accepting it really. So even if the mother company wasn't accepting at the time. I think there were some of the dealers that were well. Hopefully we'll see more and you know chevrolet and all of these other companies beginning to accept crypto currency. Hey maybe even mcdonalds one day will accept bitcoin. You pay pal just came on board late last year. Your tesla coming on board test. One of the top five corporations in the united states as far as their market cap is concerned. So that's bigger than walmart. Tesla says they're gonna take crypto. That is actually. I mean it's it's not big in the same way in that wal got way more locations and more people work for it and that sort of thing but as far as a major company accepting bitcoin. That's probably the largest announcement we've seen so far excellent. I hope it continues. Because that's only going to drive the value of bitcoin up because it's becoming more and more useful it is even though it's not that useful in general because we're going to buy a fifty thousand dollar car a fifty dollar transaction fee. Isn't that pick no big deal. Yeah no doubt about that. But it's it's still disappointing to see how just expensive these transaction fees are. They were twenty dollar fees yesterday on bitcoin for next for the what they call the next block which for listeners. That don't know that's to get your bitcoin transaction processed and confirmed within the next ten minutes or so. That's what it costs. twenty. Not steve where they going up in. Popularity does that mean that the fees might go lower get higher. They're going to likely get higher unless the bitcoin programmers decide to do something to actually fix their network which they don't seem to have any plan whatsoever to do so because they're making too money off of it so this sucks for for bonnie because she just got paid in some bitcoin for doing some activism. I think it was not this past weekend but the weekend prior. We went to the governor's house for another protest where they arrested a footloose frank for being. Footloose i guess talking. You talked to the police and they arrested him for it. That videos up over it freaking dot com but some anonymous benefactor was contributing bitcoin. Anyone that showed up to this protests. They were giving fifty dollars worth of bitcoin. Well i mean that's cool. And i think that's a really cool thing for that person to do and and bonnie's it was her first Bitcoin that she had received and she. I gave her some bitcoin cash like a few months ago when we first met. Whoever this person is gave her actual bitcoin so fifty dollars worth the btc. Bitcoin fifty bitcoins to nobody. And now it's what it. What was it the last time you looked at it. Like sixty bucks worth sixty eight. It's gone up quite a bit in just the last week and twenty five percent for her to use us. That's the problem. If she ever has something she wants to use this for. Well sorry you really only have forty dollars worth of useful bitcoin because it might cost you twenty dollars a fee just to send it somewhere. Now you can send it for less than twenty twenty twenty. Just the next block fee. If you don't care when the thing confirms you could probably get the fee down to eight bucks but still that's not cheap and then going that low below the next block fee it might not actually get confirmed it might sit out there in the men poll for two weeks and then get back to your wallet eight bucks. It's not going to sit out there for two weeks at least not not right now but nonetheless. That's a hefty fee. it is. Yeah let's go to the phones. Who got scott calling from florida scott. You're on free talk. Live good evening. Aria bonnie and scott. What's what's on what's on. My mind is People americans losing track of the facts that are there are certain entities the trying to push the united states into war with iran. And that's the next one that's looming on the horizon and That up party primarily is a pack. The american israel public affairs committee aka the jewish poverty which which got us into war with iraq and afghanistan. Now they're working diligently very hard to get us embroiled in a war with iran and israel to here on the scene it on tv. The podcast that israel threatened that if if if it goes to war with iran That it expects the united states to To follow believe that. I did not know but that's not a surprise. I mean given that the united states federal government regardless of whether it's republican or democrat seems to walk hand in hand with that particular nation state. Really oh yes. And the reason why e and why does just because our congressmen and senators are frankly petrified evade pack because if they ever dared to oppose apec they are afraid of a appearing as anti semitic and hence will lose their seats. Nine arrack democrats have been doing some pretty messed up things to people of jewish heritage lately including not allowing them at some. Lgbt pride parades and things like that. So the democrats because they're these insane social justice warriors who have concluded that jews hate muslims and they've taken the side of the muslims and that particular dispute their friendlier. They viewed the muslims as being the greater sufferer in the equation. So that's the one they side with. The jews are bad because the jews hate the muslims. So they're just as racist as anyone else literally racist by saying that. Oh well all jews. Such and such hate muslims or whatever even though that's obviously not true because jewish people are different. They don't all have the same beliefs scott. Why don't you think it's a war with china that is on the horizon That to your right that that. The answer's obvious. I mean they'd be insane to go to war with china the us federal government. Up against china. I mean you're talking about two world superpowers. They're not that stupid. They're not going to go and do that. I mean it's going to be a challenge. It was a challenge for them to go up against afghanistan which was a bunch of people running around hiding in caves. Going up against iran would be a challenge on its own going up against china. That is not something. You're gonna wanna take on mission. Yeah i just wanna say that. We've we've already lost thousands of american soldiers in iraq and afghanistan and to lose and this is going to be like iraq and afghanistan. If we got into embroiled in a war with iran baked no mistake it could easily spread into world war thirty. And it's not worth getting. American boys killed in wars. At america's you know has more been to any other country in the world. This was all part of the complex to get another controlled the portals cut you off. Thank you so much for the call. I mean none of us here disagree. We don't want a worldwide. i read now but what. What does the american government going to do. It's hard to say. And i don't think they've been beating the drums of war with iraq frequently enough lately for that to be a realistic possibility. Maybe you think so. Six zero three two eight three s- looking for a great real estate investment. Consider new hampshire which is ground zero for the liberty movement. Your first call should be to mark worden from porcupine. Real estate is more than just a real estate agent. Easier new hampshire concierge. Where are the best places to live. Do you want farm city the burbs or forest. Do you want a duplex or multifamily buildings. So that renter's pay your mortgage their homes in all price ranges in new hampshire and mark and help with financing to invest in liberty and property. Mark gordon can help dot com It's free talk live. Talk radio that you control six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty as the paula. Line six zero three two eight three six one six zero with you tonight. It's arjen and bonnie and we're getting into the story from the almond. Bundy is his name. Ammon ammon who is organizing militia groups or something of that nature. Is this a nevada Believe he is either in nevada. Orrin utah. i'm not sure where he calls home as i was mentioning earlier. And then bundy is the son of cliven bundy or one of the sons of cliven bundy. That was in the news most of the decade ago for having a standoff with the federal government over the bureau of land management then. A few years later ammon bundy and some of his crew went and took over the malheur. Federal wildlife refuge of these events were years oregon. Yes we're years apart. Believe it was twenty sixteen when they did the malheur wildlife refuge takeover That actually resulted in one. Man being shot to death by The police in that particular situation and it was fairly dramatic and pretty interesting and outrageous. What went on then so. We don't follow the bundy family very closely. But from what. I've heard of them. They sound at least occasionally like fairly principled. Libertarians they support black lives matter and other cool teens code. Expect principled people to support good to know. I'm glad to hear that now. I don't follow them closely either but i. I am aware that they've been active in this sort of anti masking pro freedom facial freedom. Whatever you wanna call it movement and now the los angeles times is reporting out of idaho which may be where. He's based these days two dozen demonstrators pressed against the emergency room door screaming to be let in show us a law. They chanted let grandma out one shouted. They had descended on legacy salmon creek medical center in vancouver washington the evening of the twenty nine to protest the quarantine of gail meyer. Seventy four year old patient. Who had refused to take a test for the corona virus so they forced her to quarantine against her will. Apparently police in riot gear guarded. Entrances as the activists who authorities said. Were armed insisted that ms meyer was being held against her will acclaim. the hospital. denied myers forty nine year. Old daughter satin an anti mask activists as her caregiver had summoned the demonstrators foot soldiers in a rapidly expanding network called people's rights with the tap of the thumb on a smartphone members can call a militia like they'd call an uber and stage a protest within minutes. That sounds like a pretty cool piece of software. Yeah it sounds a lot like cell four one one so i'm curious to know what it is that they're using did say that they made it. I don't know anything about the software. Actually this is the first. I've gotten this deep into this story. So whether the la times is going to tell us what that is or not. I don't know Maybe somebody could look up people's rights. I know nobody. Our co host has been talking about this. He's been you know talking about connecting the ammon bundy group with like the new hampshire liberty community. You know the black lives matter group to try to bring people together of somewhat disparate belief systems but all of whom are being opposed by the government and try to bring them together sort of on the same page to oppose the government. I don't know how far he's gotten with that But in this case behind the organization is a familiar name ammon bundy. He's best known. As the leader of the two thousand sixteen occupation of the malheur national wildlife refuge in oregon a deadly forty one day standoff between federal agents and militants who rejected the federal government's authority over public lands across the west now he seized on the backlash against corona virus restrictions as an opportunity to start a new movement since last march when he launched people's rights which their website is people's rights dot org which he describes as a neighborhood watch on steroids. The has attracted tens of thousands of members sponsored more than fifty demonstrations across the country. Dispatching gun-toting toting activists to the homes of politicians health agency managers and even a police officer who arrested a protester expert to track extremists. Say the network has significant overlap. Well he's pretty hard core. But i don't know if i'd call him in emmett extremist. Well they love to call anybody. That's not pro government in extremist. Sure to the scary word right to to them. Anyone who is not in favor of the state is in extremist. If you're in favor of freedom every issue every time you're an extremist and you know to me it's not extreme to be in favor of peace which is ultimately what we're in favor of it would be insane not to be and there's plenty of people who are insane. I would agree. They have to be to actively. I mean there are people out there who actively want war with china or iran or russia or venezuela or any other countries. How insane do you really have to be to want a war with someone truly insane. In this case they don't want war they just want to be left alone seems but they're being dragged in of course with white supremacist groups claiming the l. a. times claiming they have quote significant overlap with white supremacist groups and other far-right organizations in that his whipped up paranoia and rage risking the lives of hospital workers health officers politicians and others in the crosshairs. It doesn't sound like they did that because they banged on some doors and shouted some stuff. I don't think anyone life. The no one. I think what they're saying that when they say they're risking their lives. That means that they aren't wearing masks. So that now is a threat to someone else's life by these people's viewpoint by people like the author here at the time and people like dennis guttered in new hampshire who has been threatening people with shooting them if they come near him without a mask on. I put it up because that may be really curious whether or not i was remembering correctly about. I'm in bundy. M black lives matter and it turns out i was. He stands in support of black lives matter effort today fund police. So i'm curious how the la times has decided there's overlap between this guy who stands a support. A black lives matter all supremacists all there has to be for them to claim. There's overlap is for one guy who's a white supremacist. To show up in a chat room for people's rights to remember that when the when the media starts linking everything and anything and everything to white supremacists. There's overlap on free talk live. we had. Chris cantwell as one of our talk. Show host. Now mind you before. He became a racist and when he became a racist. We kicked him off the air as a talk show host but they're still quote unquote overlap. Because we had him on and he was on free. Talk live after becoming a racist. That's true and we didn't ban him from the show entirely because we're freetalklive and we will let any a whole call in with whatever viewpoint they want to just makes himself look bad when he talks so why not let them still calls the show when he can. It's been a while but yes and we just had scott the biggest call in tonight. So i mean there's overlap with whatever he is whatever you wanna call that antisemitic would be i think an accurate description so they drag this through they drag the groups like this through the mud as much as they possibly can because they don't wanna actually talk to them and ask them questions they don't want to actually give this guy the opportunity to express himself because the l. a. times like most media outlets is one hundred percent favor of the state sure whatever the state decree religious apple whatever the state religion decrees which has wear a masks respect authorities. And that's not what the bundy's are known for or any of these militia groups. The existence of these militia groups has always been stated to be to defend ourselves from aggression by the government. I don't think has ever suggested there for anything else. Yeah and i don't know if people's rights is particularly a militia group exactly sounds like it's a protest organization. That's way it sounds. I don't know if you've pulled up their website. I did but you join over in order to access just about anything. I'm going to pull it up on my phone and take a look at it. You have a telegram. So there's that we have the potential for multiple malheur in multiple states in that any moment they could bring hardened far right. Activists often heavily armed into any one event this according to devin burghart the executive director for the institute for research and education on human rights. So then they really don't like the idea that these people are armed number one. That really seems to scare The folks i imagine it would scare the l. a. Time you spend. It doesn't give me any pause whatsoever. I feel safer when people around me are heavily armed indeed especially if they know what they're doing yes with With guns in october the seattle based organizations and the montana who writes network published in investigation. That found bundy had rapidly. Expanded people's rights by using his core. Far right paramilitary supporters with the mass base of new activists radicalized in protest of coronavirus restrictions. So he's outgrown. His group is good for him for that. I'm gonna look into it during the break as well. You can find out more about people's rights dot org let us know what you think about it though is he just organizing protests or is he actually planning piece militias six zero three two three six one. Six zero spreads talk live. Talk radio that you control as we were talking about earlier. We'll let anyone talk about anything about our how racist it is will argue with you. Know if you call an say things. That are incorrect or immoral. But we'll let you talk. I think racism is immoral. I would agree six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty is that columbine that six zero three two eight three six one six with you. Tonight it's aria bonnie and and we're talking about the bundy's who are in the music end now being linked to white supremacist overlapped between white supremacist. And fairly absolutely. I did look into these people rights organization and sadly it doesn't seem that they use an app. It looks like they just use a web interface. Oh so it's all done on their reporting where to gather and what's happening. It's cool that there are now five people in southwestern new hampshire who have signed up really and they're very privacy friendly guy you have to have signal in order to receive your coach to create your account neat and they have telegram which is always good and i. It's got a messaging system that i have looked into is supposedly encrypted as well just sending messages to other users so have to say so far. I'm impressed in it. Sounds like if they won an app they should contact nobody and find a way of implementing cellphone one into this. I know that nobody our co host had had the intention of reaching out to that group. So i don't know what status he has reached out to them. I think he wants to apt to be like in a usable state. 'cause we inherited for listeners. That don't know sell for on. One is a an app that was created. probably twenty fifteen by actually a listener. Freetalklive virgil the duva. And he did an amazing job at making this great little simple easy to use emergency alerts app where you can have your friends get the app and then You can all sort of create what they call cells These aren't terrorist cells. There peace peace sells but the idea is to have these cells of people that you know maybe one for your family one for your friends or whatever you can put them. You can have as many of these things as you want. And so then the thing is happening to you. That's bad you know your house catches on fire. Someone's having a medical emergency the cops pull you over. You know whatever it is. That's going on. you can send an alert. That goes out to the cells that you choose and it's an amazing app that has been used for a long time here in new hampshire by the activists community here in in too much success. Unfortunately virgil came into some tough personal times late last year and he wasn't able to kind of keep up the app and these sorts of things need to be kept up. You have to like date with your goals. Dates got update a thing. So you can't just like release the app and just let it be you to like take care of it and so he wasn't able to do that anymore. And the current version of the app that people can find working depends. So if you're on it should work fine for you if you're on android there's a new version that's going to becoming out hopefully as soon as sometime later this week. We're in the process right now of trying to figure out what to do to get this thing online. There's a what's new required. So nobody's in the midst of writing that But we're close. We're close to actually having some of what we would call showstopper level bugs fixed with cell phone once the version i'm using i had to download from some third party app store because it was delisted from google for not being updated. Yeah and i don't know if it ever got updated get realistic. But it wasn't fixed at the time so it's going to be fixed but it had the fix hasn't been uploaded so we will let you know when that happens. So that's what i'm saying like. Nobody's probably not banging down and mondays door because the isn't quite ready for primetime once it is. That's definitely something that he intends to reach out. I look forward to beta testing. Yeah absolutely well. There's actually a special group for that. So remind me later i can. I can drive in there so back to the story here from the los angeles times where they're trying to smear and then bundy by suggesting that he is associated with Right wing racist groups even though he's personally in favour of as you mentioned black lives matter and defunding the police. Which are i mean. Generally white supremacists like the police because generally police are white supremacists. That's they have their origins. That's true You mean catching slaves the police. Yeah that's right so according to l. a. times dot com. The investigators looked into the group which is called people's rights their website people's rights dot org. They found the network had twenty thousand members in sixteen states in an interview late last month near his home in idaho. Bundy claimed it had grown to almost fifty thousand people in thirty five states last the la times realize that the more stories like this they write the more people sign up for people's rights dot. Org i don't know but don't tell them because this is good last fall. Facebook removed an undisclosed number of people's rights pages from its platform. Deeming the network a militarized social movement. Well now i know. I'm interested because facebook saying it's bad than it must be worth looking at it so far. Nothing i've seen on here is bad. I mean they basically asked the same thing that sell for one s you know when the police show up or when you need help you're going to call your friends because your friends won't shoot you. They ask almost literally the same question here. So who will you contact when your rights are threatened. You will call your neighbors. Yeah they're like less likely to shoot you almost entirely unlikely to shoot you. Bundy said his soul cause was defending freedoms guaranteed under the constitution. Even for lgbtq people in black lives matter activists whose views he may oppose now again. That's not a quote from bundy. That's just what the l. a. Times said he never said. I'm curious now what his on. Lgbt people are. I mean he's probably a right wing conservative. But i don't know i've never talked to the guy. He's very libertarian. Actually did we talk to him. I think we actually did talk. To one of the bundy's i may have talked tamin bundy in the past honestly. But it's been a very long time so going on here. He said he never supported. President trump and he didn't vote in the last two presidential elections in two thousand sixteen. He was in prison awaiting trial in this past november. He didn't see a point so obviously he's not your typical if he's a conservative. He ain't your typical now. He is definitely closer to libertarian. Based on everything i've seen. He has conservative in contending the twenty or the kobe nineteen death. Toll is massively exaggerated. He said that trump should have worked hard churches and businesses open nonetheless. He encouraged his followers to go to washington for the now infamous january sixth rally to distribute leaflets in display people's rights banners to recruit more members. He did say that. He condemned the siege on the capital. Was that because it was pointless and it didn't achieve anything or it was just some some angry republicans role playing as protesters. Apparently he was also arrested. According to a photograph here in this article in the idaho state house in boise on august twenty six of last year was arrested and wheeled out in an office chair or what appears to be a wheelchair here so maybe doing a little civil disobedience. It looked like not sure what that was about. Bundy is carrying out a family tradition. He is the fourth of fourteen children in a mormon family. Grew up on a nevada rancher. Seventy four year old father cliven became a hero to extreme libertarians. In the west wing. Extreme libertarian that just sounds cool when they say it like that. Extreme libertarian. Extremist libertarian the when he stopped paying grazing fees in nineteen ninety-three claiming his family had ancestral rights to run its cattle on public land and the government's ownership claims violated the constitution and in bundy left the ranch as a young man. I for minnesota for two years of mormon mission service and then to southern utah university later moving to phoenix where he ran a truck repair business for fourteen years in two thousand fourteen. He stood with militias. That rallied behind his father's 'cause when fbi agents arrived at the nevada ranch with a court order to confiscate the family's cattle the government backed down to avoid bloodshed raising the family stature in far right circles in the part of the storm right. Yeah i thought. They said he was libertarians. That was his fans but that's what they said. The media loves make libertarian. Seem like right wingers. That's what they like you. They they want to try to make libertarian. Same even more far-right than anyone else. Even though the reality of it is is libertarians. Agree with right wingers on some things and left-wingers on other things. It's embarrassing what what part i don't want people to think i'm a right winger. I agree unfortunately my way to make them think. I also am the chairman of the republican committee. Which is a whole other issue entirely. But i've also been a democrat and run for for governor. So i get called a leftist a lot to. I'll do whatever. I need to do to get the ideas of liberty out basically according to this now the thing. They're not mentioning here. Oh no they do mention it. Okay so an important point about the original bundy story is charged. A bunch of these people in the bundy ranch situation. And weren't they all acquitted. Almost all of them were acquitted except for the ones that took plea deals at. This is why you don't take the plea. You really shouldn't the next year bundy. His wife moved to emmet idaho. Which is the farming town turned bedroom community outside of boise. He said that god had soon called him support. Dwight him in junior and his son steven oregon ranchers sentenced to prison for setting fires on federal lands and in january of two thousand sixteen. He led an armed group that seized headquarters the headquarters of the malheur. Federal wildlife refuge demanding. The government relinquish ownership in free. The hammett's did they do so. Of course that's tragic but still effort man. That's hard core taking over federal building. They did and they occupied it for like forty something days more on this story when we get back six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty. What do you think is he just a troublemaker. Is he an anarchist. What is he is he out there trying to. Maybe even one hundred six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk. Live bitcoin dot. Com is the best source for learning about crypto currency. Go there now. Click on get started at the top of the page. Once you do that. 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He's been just on it with some really interesting twitter posts and this whole double masking thing is truly truly like religious zealotry. Yeah i had to stop at this one. Just share it with people on the eb as per some experts recommendations doesn't even know why she's putting onto masses just because quote. Some expert told her to truly truly sad. But that's not really what we're talking about here to know. i'm. I'm sure we'll get into it at some point. I want to get back to the bundy story. Because i find that far more encouraging for the future of freedom than do these idiots putting onto mass for some reason. I well somebody else did it. So they're going to do it too. Yeah someone some authorities said so so okay But anyway the ammon bundy. I did check by the way we interviewed ryan bundy which is one of the brothers of and bundy's so in the past this was in two thousand fourteen after the wildlife that was before the wildlife refuge situation. But after the cliven bundy oka standoff. Sony listeners Just tuning in ammon is the son of cliven bundy. And he's the guy who led the wild wildlife refuge Situation in two thousand sixteen. Where a. I a couple dozen people this federal property and it was in the middle of wintertime. So it wasn't like they took over an active like occupied site. It was shut down for the winner. Okay and they took that over. And then according to the story here at the los angeles times the oregon ranchers are sorry. The so bundy led this group in two thousand sixteen. That sees the headquarters of the malheur refuge. Bundy was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of the refuge and eventually tried on weapons and conspiracy charges a militant who fled. The stop was shot and killed that. That man had a name. I forget what it was Offhand just referring to him as a militant By the way the man who fled the stop was not a danger to anyone. He did not shoot at anyone but the cops murdered him right there. They're running away. That's correct in a startling verdict. In october of two thousand sixteen bundy and other defendants were acquitted by jurors who found the federal prosecutors had failed to make their case. Wow yeah it was an amazing verdict. A series of verdicts more than one is. There's some documentary about this. Because it's good question. I don't know The families aura of invincibility only grew a judge declared a mistrial in a criminal conspiracy case against bundy his brother ryan who interviewed and their father for the two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saying government lawyers had suppressed evidence the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees. Bundy kept a low profile. Back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love it. You can't keep a good activist down nope you know. Once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling it no. That's right in march because that is what freedom ultimately is is the freedom to say no and be respected in your choice because we can say no and they'll put you in jail cell. But in his case he actually was able to say no and they didn't put him in a jail cell because on juries actually backed him up which is amazing So in march he gathered several dozen supporters in a warehouse that he owns in idaho in his first public act. The group defied republican governor brad. Little stay at home directive and held an easter service for about sixty people now by the way at the same time we were doing. some public. Acts here in new hampshire and we have not gotten the same media coverage now to be fair. We didn't have as many people. Didn't we go to an easter service. Actually you and. I don't know if it was easter but we did go to a church service. I don't remember when it was. It was too late in the year to be easter. but we did nightcap. So when the governor here in new hampshire chris. New created his so-called stay at home order. We went out the same night the the very night it went into effect. That's correct we went out. We were literally there a minute. After it went into effect like at the exact same time we were out partying with open containers in central square. And we did it for thirty six weeks in a row and only recently stopped because it's like seven degrees and centuries of snow everywhere right now. Presumably when it's warmer will reap. Hopefully we won't have to return. But i'm sure nightcap will return if only because it was a good time was a damn good. I went to a new fund. That's right just one. Was it just the one. I just went. Well you'll have to come back to more. Because i suspect there will be a demand to bring it back This year so anyway. I went and held a church service. Which can people are being told not to do this in the same month. Police arrested sarah brady and anti vaccine activists for allegedly trespassing during an anti lockdown protests at a playground closed due to corona virus restrictions. That's we've had something similar happen here. lady in Concord was arrested not at the playground but later on several months later for taking her kids to a playground. That was closed. Why did they arrest her several months later. And what did they arrest her for. I don't recall. i think it was disorderly. Okay i think her name is rochelle. She actually was at our new year's eve party. Oh as a matter of fact she was the one wearing. The tide is shirt and she was doing some dancing. So bundy publicized. The address of the officer who arrested ms brady and let about forty people to outside of his home a tactic. The governor called disgusting. But i fully support. They picked up this lady at her home. That's right the one we're talking about anyway. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home lives. They think that we should respect the idea that they should have privacy and their family lives in their personal homes and so on and so that their off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if their laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. I'm not the governor now. I'm just chilling with my found. Now okay then. Your laws don't apply right now. As soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop reporting people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them and leave them alone in their homes and their people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay direct. Yeah man and aerob- writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot dogs shoot innocent peaceful people into cribs. They shoot cat scientists. Look that up since you're here. Are they basically cats to you. What possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat because that have been. I'm not making any more than the more this discussion goes on. So people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of being able to dispatch ten protesters to a scene in ten minutes. One hundred in one hundred minutes in two thousand and one thousand minutes instructed each chapter to launch teams to train in secret for paramilitary operations to defend members from criminals or government agents. Or do i repeat myself. That line was not in the la times but anyway going on in july he led demonstrators to a public building in idaho in town called caldwell where they tried to barge into a meeting of officials who were discussing whether to impose a local mask mandate. This is not your building. Bundy shouted s. He's shoved demand guarding the doorway. The meeting was cancelled though. The health board eventually decided to recommend wearing masks in public the next month he and some supporters forced their way past state troopers into an idaho. State house gallery that was closed. Because of the pandemic how do they. That doesn't sound like reality. How do you force yourself past state troopers without getting arrested. Well police did arrest him twice in two days. Finally wheeling him out of the building in an office chair charged with trespassing and obstructing officers he was banned from the capitol for year. In november people's rights members carrying tiki torches gathered in front of the boise mayor. Lauren mcleans house to protest. The virus health restrictions. Many of their roughly thirty demonstrators were not wearing masks and several shouted opposition to a city call for residents to report businesses violating pandemic risk regulations. One woman yelled snitching. Get stitches love. It sounds like he's doing good work. Yeah there's more you want it. Absolutely what do you think about the bundy's it sounds to me like they're they're doing the right. I support it. I haven't seen anything here. That i i disagree with it so far so far just about everything i've seen from mormon activism has been just awesome. True they're also behind the gold back horns that was one of the activists things. I was thinking about six zero three two three sixty sixty s the call. Line that six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. it's free talk. Live talk about whatever you want. Six zero three two eight three six point. Six zero is the call in line with you tonight. It's aria bonnie. And and i assumed the three of us are going to be at rogers campground for june. The twenty eighth july fourth for fort fest. Twenty twenty one at rogers campground in beautiful white mountains of new hampshire. It is the week after the porcupine freedom festival and is decentralized which means that no one in charge which means that. Everyone is in charge. Also means there's no ticket cost just reserve your camping site. Rv side or motel room with roger campground for june the twenty eighth three july the fourth last year that it was epic there was a rock concert. There was a poker tent that was active almost every night. Several party ten. If i remember correctly it's a great place to be. Check it out at park fest dot party unofficial telegram chat. There's an unofficial forum fork fast. Stop party june. The twenty eight through july the fourth at rogers campground. We see there again. Fork fest dot. Party is the website. Well let's go to the phones. Apparently some sports ball thing happened over the weekend. I heard about that and some people are really upset. Tell us about that third ferguson. Yeah well i Heard earlier today that That particularly i mean the most insane people in my opinion. And i've been calling for over year on how insane the less has been becoming. They're really angry that the tampa bay buccaneers beat the kansas city chiefs Over the weekend and not because not because they like the not because they yuks are the better team not because they Support the oxygen in any in any measurable amount more than than to kansas city chiefs. But only because tom brady. Who is the quarterback. I guess who. Who i guess. Some point got traded to the buccaneers Because he's white and and the quarterback for the chiefs is black and they're mad that the white quarterback beat the black quarterback. There really offended about. Where are you seeing this. I haven't seen this well well. There's there's a twitter storm. That's been kicking up Among some of the blue checkmark books politics morons out there including commentators. Like lisa hendricks and michael smith michael holly dna dna any of these people are. I wouldn't say that this reflects on all leftists just seems like you saw some crazy people talking on twitter of presumably there's black and white people on both teams Usually i'm not. I didn't say anything about race on both sides but but listen but these are just some of the The liberals that have been Really angry and upset that That the black quarterback through the white quarterback and by the way we collect quarterback beat the white quarterback the beat the black quarterback. Oh yeah yeah the white quarterback feet the blackboard tom. Yeah that's the only reason they're mad about this. By the way. I would be mad about the lack of masks once the game was over. This just makes me. Sports to me is pretty mindless as is but that makes it even dumber for people to be arguing about sports because one guy has a skin color that they don't like i mean that's basically what you're talking about seems like a small group of people. I haven't heard of this on my phone. You said it was a twitter storm. Whatever that means yup yup and and by the way. I should say this because this is this is pretty insane to be out of us aren't accidentally like monitoring twitter or watching twitter feeds or anything like that no. I do go on twitter on occasion. While i'm on the toilet. Just twitter belong just to see what some people who haven't made the switch to mastodon are still doing over there and by the way i should say that i'm not the one you saw this on twitter. The independent media is covering speak already because of of how much this is blowing up on twitter. But these people are also mad. Because tom brady for four years ago was seen with a maga hat in his locker. And they're angry because he he wasn't canceled ever because of that wasn't fired or cancelled because He owns a maga half and that also was really upsetting to the liberals and And i think this is insane. I just can't imagine being so upset. Over what other people do you know. And what other. People are spending their money on or spending their time on. I mean these people obviously obviously have nothing better to do. Maybe that's because they've locked themselves in their homes for the last year and they just don't have a life they have nowhere to go right. I don't know. I just don't understand the obsession with other people's anything keep in mind. These are all the brunch liberal to these are all the liberals that have everything handed to them on a silver platter and And it's really funny. I think because You know jerome always calls it and talks about. What a racist. Donald trump is and the and how he's been like been like this. This this This this this really obnoxious Unpleasant and The dividing racist over the past four years when he was the president. But it happens to be the liberals here that are mad that Just a white guy. Beat a black guy and i would really like to hear what jerome has stayed about that because this isn't coming from donald trump. This is coming to you on a weekend. Jerome i think is exclusively a weekend radio listener. So he's probably not barbara bonney. I'm just gonna say. Third ferguson is really generalizing here. he's talking about all. I don't like any generalizing. He's talking about all leftists of they all are dumb enough to act like this. And i really don't think that there's a big problem of people talking about this. Even of twitter has some people being loud about it. I'm not generalizing. i'm just. I'm i'm talking about really specific. I'm talking about really specific people here. And i even named off a couple of them specifically to are acting like a bunch of mark and i and i just morons on twitter tired. Thank you so much for the call the update you read off some names from people that i've never heard of who sounds like they're saying some pretty stupid things. If you wanna find morons on twitter just search for double masking plenty there. I think is more interesting that nobody's wearing masks in tampa all the sudden. I have a friend from italy. And she lived in italy all twenty twenty but she just moved to florida and she put posted a video of herself at like a club or a bar in tampa like the night of the super bowl and she was panning around the room. It was just a bunch of young people really close to each other dancing and talking and drinking and none of them like there was like one mask and the entire video. I watched it i. I was stunned. When i saw the ending of the super bowl because we watched at work and the number of people not wearing masking their booths and as they mingled and they celebrated with people after the game it was encouraging to see so few people wearing masks. I remember remarking at that moment. I bet this is already going viral on twitter from people complaining about the fact that they're not wearing masks. That's what i expect people to be upset about. Not the fact that tom brady is white and the other guy was black. That is of no consequence whatsoever except people who obsess over race and people who obsess over people who obsess over race. Yeah i'm just rolling through here looking at people talking about double masking. And how proud they are about it. Definitely virtue signaling. Yep some of them are saying that it hurts their ears but they're doing it anyway because some experts said so. I thought it was more comfortable though some. You know everybody's got a different opinion about it. But some of them are saying it is more comfortable to wear the double mass comey. Here's this one person presumably just shopping stops to take a selfie of herself and tax it double masking at the best buy. Yep she just wants to show everybody yes. There is no other points at this. I've never just walking through the store thought now. It's a great time to stop and take a selfie that double masking now What do you think about this. Virtue signal may be turned his right. Maybe it's a problem what these people are saying on twitter. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero against six zero three two eight three six one six zero look. I'm sorry but you're in for a world of pain. If you use coin omi the reason is their wallet. Doesn't support payments. 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They have and you think you it means they care three times as much exactly vin or money explains this rather well as you found yeah Then was the one who suggested searching for double masking the first place and he points out on his twitter which is at vr monte. He says that double masking is a thing. Helps you understand that you are dealing with a religious phenomenon. When masks become mandated as they are in a lot of the united states right now and elsewhere in the world wearing the mask is no longer a signal of church of woke membership therefore the second mask must be added to signal willing participation. And indeed when you see the people with the double masks what you'll see in a lot of cases is that they will purposely wear contrasting masks so they'll have like a white mask and then overtop or over top of a black mask or vice versa or something like that that way. You know that they're wearing masks. Does it make it clear right. Because if they were wearing to the exact same type of mask you'd have to look carefully. You'd have to really look at them to see if they were wearing masks but many might not know how much they care right. So it's important for them to signal that and Yeah so this person on twitter says i believe some of y'all aren't triple masking. Yes and this is serious. The these are people being totally serious. I've always been double masking sometimes. Even triple masking. i prefer no masking about. They weren't about they've just been doing more masks. I've always been triple masking hits. It's distressing but we are covering good news at the moment or at least refreshing news. That isn't about crazy people. It's about people actually fighting for their rights and therefore the people at the los angeles times think that's crazy. Well of course they do but they also think that you know wearing three layers of fabric over your faces. A good idea for a politician said so so therefore it must be true and some expert. According to this person on twitter said so. do you want to continue with Ammon bundy absolutely going on there so listeners. just tuning in we're talking about ammon bundy's new organization and new. As of the last year he created it. I think in march of twenty twenty called people's rights. The website is people's rights dot oregon to the los angeles times credit. They did link to his website so that was nice so but now they've done everything they can to bad mouth him Since that point but They're talking about how this organization has chapters all across the united states now he is claiming as many as fifty thousand members of this group and the idea is that it's a group of people. Maybe they don't all agree on everything but they will come together to the defense sort of the mutual defense of their network when called upon and we sort of liken this to sell four one one which is an app that does similar things. That hopefully will have some good news for you about later on this week but Just to to bring you up to speed here. So back to the store from the los angeles times. They're talking about some of the activism that they've done over the last year like going to the boise mayor's house and protesting outside carrying torches and there were a couple dozen demonstrators out there not wearing masks shouting opposition to a city call for residents to report businesses for violating pandemic regulations. They also protested in the state house. Where bundy was twice arrested in two days there and is now banned from the capitol for a year as a result of about now what about the rights of citizens to petition their senators representatives. Or whatever doesn't matter they'll ban you from wherever they want in fact banned. footloose frank. Who was arrested at the governor's house from coming back within a thousand feet of the governor's house really. Yeah as part of his bail. conditions The next month boise area health board. Shut down its own meeting after a county. Commissioner tearfully interrupted the proceedings to say she had to rush home because people's rights demonstrators were harassing. Her family actually saw this clip. It's pretty entertaining. It's probably not them harassing her family. Right it's just protesting. She says my twelve year old son is home alone right now and protesters are banging outside the door. She said now when people didn't flip out there she left her twelve year old home alone. I mean i was staying at home by myself when i was twelve years old. But that's not acceptable in today's society staying at home at like seven babysitter. No how at twelve. the interview. Last month held at a restaurant. In emmett idaho where he lives where masks are optional and few people wear them. Bunny bundy defended. His group's methods saying the government society are deteriorating. That courts are unjust. Legislature tramp re legislatures trample rights and families allow the state to educate an influence their children. We can't disagree with any of that. No he's right. People will need more and more to be able to find security. He said and he said protests could achieve results much faster than lawsuits citing demonstration that his group staged at a june hospital or at last june at a hospital in olympia washington. Hospital officials at the time weren't allowing a couple to be with their newborn after the mother tested positive for the corona virus quote within an hour and a half. We had a couple of hundred people there and a couple of thousand people coming once. The hospital started to see literally a presence of people. They retracted their position. Blamed it on the government's health department and released the baby to the parents. Angela effective providence. Saint peter hospital spokeswoman disputed the accuracy of bundy's account but said that the patient confidentiality prevented her from discussing. The case asked with hospital staff members were given a chance to explain their reasoning for isolating. The baby bundy said no. He said you don't get to take somebody's baby and think you have a side of justice. It was black and white last month at the hospital. Protest in vancouver washington. Kelly stuart that people's rights coordinator for the area narrated livestream video on bundy's youtube account that ultimately attracted more than seventy thousand views. The video shows a protester trying to pry open the locked. Double doors and a deputy sprang chemical irritant in his face. The protesters cheered when the hospital released. Meyer whose tearful daughter wheeled her out and helped her into a van freedom. A man yelled stewart. A longtime bundy compatriot berated law enforcement for siding with the hospital. Instead of the protesters. She said that right wing activists who joined back the blue rallies last summer and waved american flags with blue lines had been duped quote. We're starting to learn your actually the standing army. Our founders warned us against there just dangerous tired. She said we're having a blue line flag burning party tonight. Oh better late than never for sure. I love the i gotta say credit to richard reid. The author here. That's a great way to end that story. Oh that's that's the ending that they're going to blue. Burn the blue line flags that's awesome. That's not a bad idea. either. I don't want to encourage the blue line. Flag people buying them in order to burn up similarly. They already had them because they were supporting their own. Blue line. flag isn't that case which is awesome. That is a good innings. I hope they made video of that too. That would have made a great video. It's good to see that you know. His activism is proving successful and that people are beginning to see the police for what they are. Which are the enforcers of tyranny for the state. They're not anything else. No doubt and it's also good to see them using as you mentioned earlier that technology Like telegram and signal. These are better than facebook kind of organizing methods. They're not the best. they're still centralized you know. Telegram is still a company. Not a mega company like facebook. But it's still accompanying the they have taken down some chat rooms On their platform so for the most safe form chatting on the internet. You gotta go with the matrix you really need to look into. You don't have to use our server but if you wanna check it out go to chat dot freetalklive dot com and their There's instructions step by step instructions on how to connect to that server and matrix is decentralized. It's poly centric meaning that there's different matrix servers all around the globe. So if you've got somebody that knows what they're doing like we do like an. It guy he can set that up for you can have your own server or you can use one of ours. For instance you can use our server. Make your own chat room there if you want to. It is cool technology. You're right they do use a lot of these technologies. That are very familiar. Libertarians in addition to telegram in order to even sign up for the site. You have to have signal because they have to send you a text message and whatever it is that they do it has to send you an encrypted text message. They won't assume you'll receive just garbage if you don't have signal now. I like that feature signal doesn't send texts anymore. They only use their their network. Now so you won't receive anything if you don't have signal six zero. Three two eight three sixty one. Sixty is the color. You can talk about anything on your mind. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero. We're going to move on here at. This is free. talk live It's free talk. Live six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero is the color line. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty and i wanna tell you about any pay two point. Oh it's here. In crypto payments are now faster than ever. If you're using the edge wallet hand cash. Bitcoin dot com or dash wallets in those cases. Your experiences will be smooth but some wallets aren't ready for the impressive new technology and the people behind those wallace need to hear from you. The wallet users so visit any pay. I see dot com slash upgrade to learn why some popular wallets are incompatible with any pay and reach out to the wallet programmers and encourage them to make payments perfect to any pay. Inc dot com slash upgrade. I had a perfect payment today at the wonderful taco. Biondo in hillsborough new hampshire. I had one two today. Actually from mighty moo smarts. 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Dug in deep in history and All this huxley and those fellas and the brainwashing the the media. The sports is intended to be a distraction. You talking about nineteen eighty-four that would be what was wrong. Similar alan watts was canadian and he used to have a website. He went over to england and read the history books. The books not on the computer. Read the books Delic guy. Isn't alan watts like psychedelic Sort of something in the background there. Mike it's the same. It's the same name but different person. Different guy okay. Well there's no doubt that that the sports is definitely part of the bread and circuses right to keep people distracted and keep the ignorant. I don't know about that being the sole purpose on them they. It's good to have some things that distract you from your daily life now and then and i don't think those ideas necessarily bad everybody's got to have a hobby everybody's gotta have something to To pass the time you play video games when you get the get the time for it or or whatever. Everybody's got the thing that they do. That ticks away. The seconds until are inevitable demise and sports is one of those things. My dad loves sports. it's really cute. Well i did see that. The super bowl is at the lowest ratings it has had in decades. Yeah i think apparently five was the last time it was this low. I thought it was. I mean they said decades a really oh. I didn't look at the article. That was just the headline that i saw. Okay so yeah. I didn't look at any articles about it either. So that's good news for our caller there if people are if he believes that sports is this sort of opiate of the masses then that means that fewer people are watching at the very least watching football american football. Mike thank you so much for the call. He needed to get his phone under control. It sounded like a little noisy there. I started hearing stuff in the background. I've got to put a stop to this about that. So rush limbaugh is ailing and so is the conservative talk radio industry and i picked this. Because i know a topic that you love discussing. At least i did not know. I was not aware that the talk radio industry is predominantly conservative. You didn't know that. Oh yeah so absolutely. There was a time in the arts over a decade ago when the leftist tried to do talk radio and they launched a thing called air america and it just it sailed over like a lead balloon. Did not go very well. They had a bunch of money like venture capital investor types and they ran out of money and shut down their writing. There are probably no more than a handful of Quote unquote progressive. Talk stations broadcasting in america. Today and we've been station say tend to be younger people and younger people. Don't listen to the radio. I mean that could be a factor in it but for whatever reason there's just not a whole lot of money i guess in people being willing to sponsor those stations for some reason why that is so rush limbaugh. The most successful talk radio host in history is and so is the medium medium. He helped revolutionize over the last thirty years based with aging and shrinking audiences competition from newer technologies in financial problems for the biggest station owners. Talk radio is in decline about as a business and a political force once a leading platform for popularizing conservative candidates. Some policies talk. Radio is now on the verge of becoming background. Noise drowned out by cacophony of voices on podcast cable. Tv and social media. Who's writing the story. Msn dot com. You find them to be exaggerating. Well i find it to be an exaggeration. Talk radio was ever any kind of a motivational thing. Or i forget the word they use their. That suggested that it was once this great organizational thing and i think that a lot of talk show host wanna make themselves seem like they're that big of an influence but i don't think they are. They're just people who talk on the radio and they have opinions and they want to believe that people will follow them or whatever. But i don't think there's any real evidence for that. The formats crisis comes biggest. Star is battling to stay on the air indeed. He's battling for his life. Limbaugh seventy has been frank about his struggle with what he said. Last year's advanced lung cancer he was a smoker for a long time from what i understand his uncertain future. Confronts the talk radio business and conservatism generally with the prospect of losing most galvanizing figure says sleeping from local local station is sacramento to nationally. Syndicated stardom in nineteen eighty eight Limbaugh has been the bullhorn behind every important conservative initiative from the contract with america in the mid ninety s to the tea party movement of the obama area era too the ascent of donald trump not the contract with america. I've heard about this before. Was it this like where conservative. republicans pledged to be conservative. and they didn't and they made a new pledge sometime in the two thousands to do the same. It sounds vaguely familiar. And yeah surprise. The politicians told you a lie and rush limbaugh all along the way making excuses. I'm sure for these people. I mean there's no doubt that limbaugh deserves a lot of credit for essentially being sort of the granddaddy of talk radio in its current form. So he does. He definitely deserves that. Credit article makes it sound like he's responsible for from the shifts like originally. You had to pay to get a show on your radio station. And it sounds like according to this article that he was the one who came up with the idea of oh no we can just sell them airtime and they can have the show for free if they will run it. No rush limbaugh is actually one of the few paid shows. Meaning that stations actually pay rush limbaugh whereas ninety nine percent of talk shows out there do not get paid from the station's thereon. We're on one hundred ninety radio stations over the entire week here on free talk live. So that's how many stations carry the show right. And they do not pay a dime to air free talk live and that's true for almost every show that they've got on the air unless they've got rush in which case then they're paying based on their market size so larger markets pay more for rush than smaller markets. Do basically. they're going to pay about as much as they would pay a local talk show host to do that. Slot so rush is a insanely expensive show. Sounds like it yeah. Early in the coronavirus pandemic limbaugh told told listeners that the virus was no worse than the common cold and that the the news media had weaponized the crisis to hurt trump. He floated the fringe theory that the virus created in chinese laboratory as a bioweapon a few weeks before the november election. He devoted to hours of his program to worshipful trump interview. After trump lost he amplified the president's lies about voter fraud and at one point suggested that conservative states might secede from the union and then walked that back of course he's a coward the next day trump for his part awarded limbaugh the presidential medal of freedom during the state of the union speech last year and it goes on with a little bit about trump. Limbaugh here. I said trump limbaugh rush. Limbaugh the isn't super important because certain conservative. Talk radio's problem is a so much. How many people are listening as who the audience. They grew up with nba's now quite gray largely people sixty five and older fewer than eight percent of those who regularly listen to talk. Radio are twenty five to fifty four according to nielsen research. Meanwhile yes meanwhile plain old. Am fm radio. The primary medium for programs is rapidly losing ground to newer technology such as satellite radio streaming audio and podcasts. Only fifty percent of those surveyed by edison research last year listed terrestrial radio stations as their first listening choice in a car. The shifts makes someone like comedian. Joe rogan libertarian. I don't know about that either. With a hugely popular podcast quotes that next rush limbaugh. 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Six zero tonight are funny and we're here on talk radio talking about talk radio because it's it's sort of a state of flux right now it is but with the rise of podcasting and people doing shows on youtube. I mean we're video as well. I mean it's not like we're failing to adapt with the changes that are happening but a lot of places are among those. I presume i'm sure rush. Limbaugh does video as well doesn't he. He does as i understand it. you gotta pay naturally see ours is free you can watch us on dot freetalklive dot com or twitch dot freetalklive dot com. You can watch us later on youtube if you want to do that for whatever stupid reason by the way. I talked to jeremy from library over this weekend. They had the porcupine day festivities in new hampshire on saturday. Actually a bonnie. And i both went to took the night off from the show to go to this. This was the five year celebration at the free state. Project held to sort of call closed their five-year move window. That started in february of two thousand sixteen so it is now over. That doesn't mean the free state project is is over. They're going to continue recruiting people to to migrate here. As as i think that they should do. I used to think that they should shut down but they convinced they They they were pretty persuasive that they've been doing really well in the last couple of years. Anyway jeremy kaufman. Who's the founder of library. Which is a decentralized blockchain based video hosting service which is an awesome thing by the way l. d. r. y. dot com. He was there. And i did speak with him. They are in the testing process of doing streaming non library. And so we're sort of on the shortlist of shows that they they may be coming to. I mean they wouldn't get kicked off right. I would hope that they wouldn't kick us off because they came to us a long time ago about librarian. Free talk live is on librarian. Free keen on library so it seems like a no brainer that we should also be streaming to To their new website which is called odyssey o. d. y. s. e. Okay so that sort of put a front end if you will onto the whole library thing. And so they're competing with with youtube as a decentralized system what i did learn about library streaming. It's actually still centralized so it's not peer to peer streaming. They're not doing that but they do their own. Centralized streaming service like are. We should be on that. So hopefully we'll have something to announce about that sooner rather than later awesome. I keep intending to put bad movie club on library. But i haven't actually gotten around to it. We watched a push versus well wolf sunday and it was. I cannot recommend it not even as a bad movie. It was one of those made for scifi bad movies that you know was going to bet and it's trying to be bad for the scifi channel. Yeah okay and it's just it's not enjoyable. There was no humor in it. I regret the fact that i watched that there was no shark nato. Then i haven't watched shark nato. I did watch shark and saw women's prison massacre and there's video of that if you wanna check out that's bad movie club dot. Us oh really yeah. Let's just four star youtube channel. But us you know that money goes to the us government. Right i didn't so i did not know that. Then that's the url at the moment. So what do you recommend like what you've you've been doing this bad movie club for. How many weeks now. Maybe two months. What's the worst. What's the best worst movie you. You've seen killer. Raccoons too dark christmas and the dark style gloriously. Stupid if you really wanna go all out there and see the worst of the worst. It's dude party massacre three okay. There is no one or two obvious though. Dude bro. Party massacre three is the dumbest thing you'll ever watch and we'll be dumber after watching that dad. I don't know if i wanted to. I wouldn't go that. It's bad enough. Just reading about double masking on twitter. It's up there with double and triple masking killer. Raccoons too dark christmas and the dark though is enjoyable. And it's i would recommend that one okay so back to the subject talk radio. Conventional radios decline appears to have accelerated sharply pandemic. Yes it has. And that is due to also. It's happening to news media as far as like newspapers also was on a decline prior to twenty twenty but definitely declining more sharply after that. And that's because frankly advertising dollars dried right up. So you know. Companies that were actually advertising on the radio in in newsprint. For instance probably television as well that we're advertising now. All of a sudden didn't have customers coming through the door so they didn't have the budget anymore to actually pay for the advertising that they were doing so you had companies that were advertising cancelling at ads. It's like basically saying. Hey we don't have any money anymore so we can't pay you for the ads that we already agreed to buy so some companies just saying sorry and then So how do you keep your radio station on the air headache your newspaper in print. If you don't have any advertisers. I mean these are driven business models in that whole business. Model just evaporated. Basically overnight thanks to the government and their various different restrictions. so it's It's tough out there for a lot of radio station owners. Although it's probably even tougher for the big mega corporations because they already had huge debt loads that their companies were struggling to pay off prior to cova already companies like iheartmedia which used to be known as clear channel and media these two of the largest companies in america both of them have gone through bankruptcy proceedings in the last several years the last few years as the government. Give them money to stay alive. That's a good question honestly. I haven't heard about that happening. It wouldn't surprise me if they have. But for whatever reason i haven't seen the news on that the story mentions that at some point says they filed for bankruptcy protection or something. I don't know exactly what that means but it probably has helped talk media that for last year One of the only things that we've really had to talk about has been the pandemic otherwise news has been extraordinarily slow throughout the last year. Yeah i hate it and people are probably sick of talking about it. Sick of hearing about it. I know it. Daily commutes have been disrupted by. Stay at home. Orders and a new work from home culture wiping out part of radios lucrative quote drive time audiences unclear whether those listeners will return after the pandemic subsides and traffic jams return. Yeah that is true. I saw the numbers about that. Npr was publishing and that their radio listenership dropped by twenty five percent really. Yeah because people aren't gonna work. Talk radio older demographics where weakness even before the pandemic said jerry. Del kellyanne and new york university business professor turned off by the hosts. Occasional nastiness and seeking younger customers. Mini blue chip companies have stopped advertising on talk. Radio shows leaving the station's smaller sponsors who pay less yes. Some advertisers will not by talk. Radio doesn't matter whether it's left or right wing or whatever they will not by what is considered controversial programming because they don't want to be associated with it they don't want to be part of some sort of a boycott you know they're afraid of that kind of publicity so they stay away from it and that has resulted in and i think they're about to say this in the in the article but that's resulted in a different kind of advertiser you'll hear people like not that i listened to his show but i've been told that this is going on By by mark edge of our co hosts that you'll hear rush limbaugh doing what they call per inquiry or acquisition calls so or or advertisements in that means that if rush limbaugh's like promoting thing on the air and you call the number that he gives out then rush gets paid so they didn't pay rush to do the ad they pay him on the back end if they sell a tractor or whatever. It is that that's how it often works with youtube advertisers as well. You know these. Vpn companies like finding youtube channel. Senate they give you a special url and someone actually uses that you are like affiliate links to correct so for for a company like refer for broadcaster like rush limbaugh to have to resort to affiliate links any of the equivalent of radio equivalent of an affiliate link. Yeah that's that's a tough time so limbaugh style talk. Radio was originally. A solution to the industry's technical and business problems by the nineteen eighties. Am radio had lost out to the higher fidelity fm ben st preferred medium from music. The most popular kind of radio programming as rock pop country and other formats migrated to fm am stations facing existential crisis. What to do the answer is neither of which required high fidelity limbaugh proved to not only be wildly popular but also cost effective in a savvy former. Abc radio executive. They fluff out a lot of this. All they had to do was carry rush. Limbaugh's program set aside four minutes per hour for ads that mclaughlin's company sold to national sponsors. And the stations got to sell the remaining commercial time to local advertisers and according to this they got russia's show for free that must have been the early days because that changed say nineteen eighty eight zero six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. it's free talk. Live with oriente ian and bonnie. Now i wanna say thank you to gavin. Who has tonight's amplifier. This macy's a member of the mp program can find out more about it at three talk. Five dot com. This is how we get more radio stations. People who could to that are directly helping us do so gavin. Thank you so much for your support. All we ask to join. The program is five dollars per month. That gets you membership into the program number of cool little personally. Technically we still have an only call in line. There's an there's an amp only facebook group. That i don't think anyone ever really joins anymore because nobody about that anymore. Yeah yeah but other cool little stuff check it out amp freetalklive dot com to learn more about it gavin. Thank you so much. We hope you continue helping us. Get all more radio stations. The new cool thing is the amps or slash porter's chat room that we have on the matrix server so if you're a free talk live amplifier. All you gotta do is just. Send me a message on the matrix server and there's instructions on how to do this whenever you sign up for the ant program. I'll send you the instructions on how to do this. But you send me a message with your amp emails. I know it's actually you And then i will you to that room. That's very cold facebook They they are really in a decline these days man. I've looked at the calculator during thing but since the first ban in october not the ipad but the abandoned october shortly after the news about my campaign went viral. I have been unbanned exactly thirteen days. Are you being right now. Yes what's the latest one for this time. I don't know man. I mentioned something about bitcoin. Okay and i put hashtag bitcoin and then to be safe. You would think elon. Musk can do it then. Suddenly i got bad for a within seconds got banned for posted i had made on december the fourth more than a month before So i don't know it was that about i don't recall okay but that's suspicious The last time i was banned it was because of something related to bitcoin and immediately afterward hit with another thirty day bed. So it's it's hard to even be upset. You can just do other things with your time. I never use facebook much anyway. Because every time i post i end up getting bad no matter what it is that i post it's stupid. I don't know why i keep doing it. Except it's such a miniscule thing to me that hey if it works. I might as well say something there and they liked being abused. I don't know not buy into. Let's go to the phones. We've got the arco republican calling and our co republican. You're on free. Talk live agreed. Semantic condom montana. Hello anyway Yeah talk about The decline of talk radio is really Distressing to me especially given the d. platforming and the other media outlets because they seem like they're just all On the same page to same left as you know Propaganda gets his perpetrated on them. And it's sad to see the the decline of it. But i can. I can attest. It's true because I've got to a point where radio my main media and the local station here. I mean the only play about six different commercials local commercials than i used to get real angry about the commercials you know because they drive me crazy and then i realized wait a minute. You know these are the people that are supporting your information. When for them you wouldn't have at all you know so i mean. Sometimes they play three or four times an hour the same commercials a bad thing and and We we gotta realize just you know how much but the great thing about radio is that at night. You know you can pick up. Stations are five hundred miles away and people just sort of find you. And that's how i found you guys. I just happen to tune industry. Yeah i love. The internet doesn't isn't quite like that. The internet is can be controlled and the internet. You have you generally have to seek out what you're looking for. It's very rare just going to stumble across a signal On the internet. Like you can on radio and i don't think that radio is on. Its last legs. I think that you know even though it is having a tough time right now due to and it's not just the pandemic or the government restrictions associated with it. This has been building for decades for talk radio in the nineteen nineties. They had what they called. Consolidation happened in the business and what had happened then was the fcc under it was clinton or where it was but at some point. They changed the rules to allow one company to own more than more than x. Radio stations that. I remember what the number was but there was a very low limit on the number of stations that one company could only generally and then they they raise our nominated that limit and it made it so that these companies could buy up tons of radio stations so companies what they did and that's what they did. You mean listen. I heart media to route enormous numbers of loan right so they bought a bunch of these mom and pop radio stations up and then got all this debt and then what happened in the in the next decade so not long after in the next decade in the arts. Well guess what. The internet came along with this unexpected competition to radio. I mean some of us could see it coming but the radio business certainly didn't and so then all of a sudden these radio stations had unlimited competitors on various different broad internet platforms and now as a result of that the price of radio stations started going down and so they'd poured all this money into these stations and then when they tried to sell them later on they only sell them at fractions of what they had originally paid for them. So they've been upside down on these radio stations for decades radio disney Went went under a few years ago and literally sold their stations off for fractions of what they paid for them. Sounds like basis or zuckerberg. Or you know these guys could just buy up all the radio to like the newspapers. Well they haven't done that yet and if they did try and see if you can buy it for a song is coming. River existed on this planet. Well the the economics though are that if you start going around trying to buy all the radio stations then all the sudden the prices are going to go up so that wouldn't be a smart move to make in that particular case but you're right you're right because that's how they get those those newspapers. They don't really care if those newspapers make. Those newspapers are just their voice propaganda. Republican thank you so much for the call to agree with you. I don't think talk radio or radio in general is going to die but it's going to have to evolve in some ways. Well it did warm my heart. When i learned that bonnie in her early twenties actually has listened to the radio okay. That is good. That was a surprise to me. When i found out that not only has she listened to broadcast radio but has actually listen to. Am radio are you talking about custody. Coast whatever whatever it was. Yeah to coast but the point is like generally you don't consider young people to be radio listeners. And i think that's probably true. Generally i mean. Do you know do a lot of your friends. Do they actually listen to the radio. And i don't know anybody listens to the radio music. We all connect our phones via bluetooth stereo and we streams from spotify right. Yeah the least the least relevant radio Out there is music radio. I mean why would anyone listen to it anymore. There's what what can you get from radio that you can't get online from a zillion different locations. You know i mean and only thing that they have is some program director who picks the songs for you. And if that's what you wanna do are people online that do that as well. I mean there's also features on spotify where they create a new playlist for you every single day with some artists. You light artists and artist. You may never have heard of. I love that I use apple music. But i love that on apple music because sometimes i just can't remember songs that i like and also just shows you new music that you like. There's a discovery factor there. And of course all you have to do to find out what the song is actually literature to look your device Some music radio. It doesn't have. I don't think the staying power that talked does even though this article. Thanks talk on the way out. I think it's just in the process of changing well as mark. Mitchell would talk radio. You hear something different every single day. I mean there's no doubt about it when i drive here. I listened to the same two hundred songs. All the time we'll talk. Radio is always different. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty. It's free talk. Live talk radio. You control six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero is the colon number. Talk about whatever you want. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty eight tonight. It's aria bonnie and ian and we've been here on talk radio talking about decline of talkradio ian as you mentioned earlier point south that all of these forces are converging on conventional media and they pushed the to owners. I heart media and cumulus media to file for bankruptcy court protection in two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen respectively These are the economics of Stances prior to the covid restriction. Yes and kobe just has exacerbated the situation it was seen because advertisers dried up. Everyone shopping online. Yeah the local newspaper here in keene new hampshire which has been around since the seventeen hundreds. It's the oldest crap. It's the old late the late seventeen hundreds but but still. It's the oldest newspaper in new hampshire. From what i understand. So they've been around long enough. They've got their building paid for right like they. They must own the building by now. There's no more so they don't probably have the biggest overhead as far as some newspapers do not renting fancy facilities in new york city. So they were begging for donations up to stay in business because they're they had no advertisers anymore and the obviously wanted to continue operating so they asked for donations from the community. And they gotta they gotta forty thousand dollars in donations on the first run through that. I saw them doing it. I don't know if they did a subsequent one but you know good for them so they still in business they are. Let's go to the phones. We've got david calling from new mexico. David you're on free talk. Live under the heading of four one one. I got a question on that. But combining elements that you sit in your program tonight. You're talking about the was it ammon bundy and In some protests to salvation that communities that were going on without and I want to draw on. Somebody said on your program multiple times in the past. Is that the the only thing stopping people from having the government they deserve as composed to as opposed to the government's being forced on them is that That thin blue line guys out there. People that call yourself the thin blue line You could be working for us for the people but instead you're protecting neo. The power hungry money hungry Oppressive governments and if what you should do is turn your lying around Posing them and fighting for us. And that's what you need to do and just remember. Is it When the people finally get control this you better have turned around by then. Because if you haven't you're going get the you're gonna get taken down and it ain't gonna be ain't gonna be fun for you It's tough to be in that position for for who might be a police officer. Who actually doesn't want to go along with all this tyranny You know how do you flip. If you feel like every other officer is going to be against you then you just know. You're going to end up in a prison cell for doing that. So that's not going to be a lot of these guys have families that they take care of and at the end of the day. It's the state that cuts that check. And they're not gonna feel like they've got a check coming in from just average people even though i think some people would step up to support them if they made the flip if they flipped actually supporting freedom and turning against the state and like arrested politicians or something. I donate to that. At least at least you need to begin preparing the mentally to thinking think about it that at the very least they'll keep to themselves and when they see the tide is turning. Tell the w flip at that moment a moment and turn on the oppressor remember. There's already sheriff. So out there deputies out there all around the country that are already stating publicly that. Hey we're not gonna follow you know. The feds are the federal. Police are being forced to enforce These various dictates and the local police especially in the form of the county sheriff's because the sheriffs are elected and they can't be fired by the governor or whomever like the state police can. They're already saying hey you know. Don't come around here. 'cause you're not welcome here and we're going to oppose you right up to the point where there are many counties. That says we're the said we're going to deputise every damn citizens in the entire county and arm them all if you try to come in here in boston around and and that's what needs to be Followed through on and yourself one You know keep us posted when that. is active in and be able to be used. Because what we need is more of those gatherings like you had a one family and one infant in question. And i don't know how many people had showed up at that but that's what we need is a cell four on one to put out an alert and then if if there are half a dozen or a dozen government officials oppressing a couple of citizens then a hundred of us show up and outnumber them and then when they thank you david. I did that on purpose. I mean he's basically describing the whole reason cellphone one was invented in the first place. Yeah and he's right on. I mean he. He was on a roll there but i agree with what he's saying. I mean that we've seen the the numbers work in our favor and numbers always work in your favor. And that's why. I think that just a couple Cops here and they're turning on the government and just saying cops and deciding to do. It's right isn't really like that's just like a government solution like there are plenty of other jobs. They should just quit and not be cops. I would agree quit and become like a private security worker or something. Sure look at the threat defense center. I believe is what it's called in detroit for a great example of privately run defense organization that you can hire to patrol your neighborhood to give you realize self-defense. Classes to twenty four seven security. They've got different levels of service that they offer The people of detroit that they serve and they've been doing it for several years now at least maybe most of the last decade. I'm not sure when they were founded but garrett ian from freaking dot com went out there and actually met the owner of threat defense center. I believe he came to. I don't know if it was like pork. Fester liberty forum one year or something like that but i don't know how libertarian. The guy is but he's competing with the police that's really also being successful. But as they're still in business as people's rights dot org and as one pointed out you know what we do need is a large number of people a glorified technologically capable neighborhood watch. It isn't about snitching to the police when something happens. It's about helping one another when someone needs it. It's about instead of going to the thugs. We just give each other a helping hand and it's a wonderful thing and i'm bundy has proved that it works. Go ahead and it's definitely a solution for when the police are the ones oppressing you. You obviously can't go to them. Yeah ideally you could go to the sheriff. But that's never how it actually works out apologize. It's threat management center not threat defense center in case people were out there looking for it in detroit. Threats management center management center very cool. Check him out so the financial pressures on cumulus and iheart make them unlikely to invest in the one thing that might save political talk radio local personalities. I tend to agree. I think the best thing they could do to save talk radio would be to actually stop censoring people to actually created a platform that is known for being friendly to free speech and lending people speak their actual opinions. We do that here we do. But we're one the only ones who do and we're not run by cumulus. And i heart radio recently. Hold on i wanna give credit where credit's due. We are heard on cumulus in iheartmedia stations. So i mean they're not the majority of the stations that were heard on but we are heard on several of them. Sure so you know that's good we're not owned by them in the sense that you know and business because cumulus was in the news recently for telling its talk show hosts that they were not allowed to say stop the steel on the air right and so that was like the first time in my history of working in radio where i've ever heard a corporation coming down and telling its talk show hosts that they cannot cover certain subject. That's pretty scary stuff. So it's been noted that sports talk. Radio has fared relatively well with hometown personalities. Yacking about local teams but hiring. Local host is an expensive proposition. Joe rosenthal set. Am radio is an imminent danger unless someone comes along to invest enough to enable it to become a local medium again. Yeah i mean. I wish i could say i'm optimistic about the future of. Am radio. but i can't i mean i. I love broadcast radio. I hope that. Am can stay relevant but day by day. It's getting harder and harder. Because i mean a lot of the younger listeners that do exist on. Radio are listening exclusively on fm. Which is why. I'm glad to see a lot of. Am stations are now getting what they call them. Translators into the am these am talk. Signals are now being heard on fm. I think the most important thing. Yeah i don't think i've ever listened to an am station in my life. Have you six zero. Three two eight three six one six zero free. Talk live with aria and six zero three two eight three sixty one. Sixty is colin number. If you want to and talk about whatever is on your mind. It's been great show. We've been talking about talk radio and how it's generally in a state of decline. But you think you have an idea of how it's going to adapt or evolve or what's going to happen next at the very least. I got some predictions. let's call them somewhat educated guesses. I've been in the business for a couple of decades now and but paid attention to what's been going on and the the talk radio business interest. Radio in general has had a tough time over the last two decades. Since the internet became a competitor you know radio and broadcast television for a long time. Were the only game in town. Besides the newspaper right like if you wanted entertainment that's where you went And then of course cable came in in the early nineteen eighties and more channels to the television experience but for the longest time radio didn't really have much in the way of competition. Satellite wasn't really a thing until the last twenty years right. Internet radio started in the late nineties. But it really wasn't a thing until later in the arts and so what changed for radio was all this competition came in. They thought the government was going to protect them from competition. That's what the licensing process does right. The the government licensing process whether we're talking about being a restaurant or whether it's you know whatever other government licensed business keeps competition out and so radio. Big corporations thought they were just going to be able to rest easy by up a bunch of radio stations and just kick back and enjoy the money rolling in but internet changed the game and it made it so anybody with you. Know five bucks a month could go and sign up at live three sixty five or whatever i heard. They're still in business. But you know some website and allow them to stream whatever music they wanted to to whoever's was willing to listen and there are thousands of internet streaming channels out there and this and i'm talking about before pandora and before you know spotify or whatever these apple music these sort of on demand services are out there so there have been competition to radio now for twenty years. They didn't expect to happen. And paying. licensing fees to the federal government isn't protecting them from it anymore so alternately they're sort of stuck in a real difficult situation where the only thing that they can do and this article did re reference to stay relevant is to be local. Because that's the one thing they can do pretty well that like apple. Music can't do right like apple. Music is gonna feed your music. But they're not going to be able to tell you what's going on in downtown fill in the blank city. They're not going to be able to tell you where the concerts are back when we had concerts or whatever things are happening how depressing when we had concert and maybe someday those things will happen again. Hopefully but the point being. It's something that radio could do. But because of all the consolidation that happened in the nineteen nineties where these big companies got bigger and bigger and bought up all these stations and subsequently went bankrupt. Well they can't do it because they don't have anyone left. I mean they were already cutting jobs in markets all across the united states year after year just because they have all this debt. These companies have these debt loads and they've got to cut their costs in order to deal with that so they don't have anyone left. It's gotten bad. Like i call radio stations for for free talk live right like during the day And you've done some of this work with the are calling radio stations. You talked to program directors you pitched the show to pitch freetalklive to them to get them to listen to it and consider it well. It's harder now than it's ever been to get somebody on the phone. And i'm just talking about secretary like calling up a radio station. One of these big corporate stations. Probably eight out of ten times. There's no answering no one answering at all at all no a year ago or maybe two years ago. I don't remember exactly when it was possible to talk about always reach a secretary. I mean you couldn't get the programming director nine times out a way more less frequently than that. That was a challenge back then. Now it's almost impossible so are they resorting to email now. I mean it's even difficult to reach these via email. A lot of them are working from home and so e mails going to reach him. But you don't get you know it's not the same as getting somebody to pick up a phone right. Is there anything that can save this system. Then so. I don't think that it's hard to say that a company like a heart media or cumulus has any kind of a bright future. I mean they've already been bankrupt. And so i don't know what the next i don't understand bankruptcy law and what all the different sections are or whatever but It's not good right when you go bankrupt so that's probably a bad sign. I think what you're going to see is they're going to likely sell off a lot of their stations and that will probably result in more mom and pop owners of radio stations again and i think that'll be a good thing for local radio. I think that we may see radio. Have a comeback. Possibly you know if if if you can pick up a radio station at you. Know one fiftieth of what it would have cost you twenty years ago. Maybe it's worth doing. Surena may maybe at a low enough price bottom of the barrel enough price which is what we may see happen over the next couple of years that we'll see some fresh ideas come into radio. I'm just this is optimism honestly for the for the business. I think that's the only way it's ever going to become local and relevant against actually have local owners. Come in and run this thing. And i think that. Will i think you kind of have to see that when these stations these big station groups have to liquidate their stations because that will be inevitable if they continue going bankrupt right and i can't imagine i tend to think you're correct mom and pop places. Mom-and-pop re buying these radio stations really the only way to proceed for it. I would rather see younger people. Buy them you know. I don't think their ideas into it. And i don't think you're gonna see the thing they were talking about earlier where you could just hire somebody to do a show. I don't think that's gonna happen anymore. I think that if you wanna be on the radio you'll have to just do like we did on free. Talk live where we worked for free when we started the show and this was twenty years almost twenty years ago now where we said. Hey look just put us on. The air will do the show for free. We just want to be on the air right. And that's what i would expect us. Well yeah if you. There's no other way you're going to be able to do it. You will not have enough money coming into one of operations to be able to hire staff so you'll have to truly find the people that love the art of broadcasting bring them on board and then tell them hey if you can sell some ads sell some ads split with split with the station and then everybody's happy. That's the only way it's going to work. That sounds plausible. I would love to see it. I hope so well. That's the end of that article. And there's not much left time to get into anything else of note. I've got an article here from abc. News just highlighting. How stupid people are in michigan. Man killed by a baby shower kenan because he was the explosion. I don't know what's wrong. With people between gender reveals burning thousands of acres of forest california. What is a baby shower. Cannon is this is the thing it's like my friend just had one at her baby reveal. It's like a little thing with either bluer pink dustin it and they'll like shoot it off at their gender revealed thing and if it's blue dust it's boy. I didn't think they could kill people. Don't stand in front of cannons. It's a bad plan. what did he do. He was fatally injured when a cannon exploded in a backyard during a baby shower because he was within fifteen feet of the device when the blast occurred doesn't say whether he was actually attending or whether he was next door but if he was within fifteen feet. I tend to think that is a huge explosion. You've you've seen this action. I'm just saying fifteen feet is huge. I have seen it well. He wasn't hit by the explosion. He was killed by metal shrapnel. My god what did they load into this thing. Let's just sound like a little bit of glitter that's being shot into the air if there's trump did the cannon itself explode yes oh so. Something was wrong with the device itself and used frequently and hasn't been inspected or anything so just wore away overtime and god four or five people were in the backyard when the small was fired. But this guy was standing about ten to fifteen feet away and was the only person. Shrek struck by shrapnel three-part cars and the garage where the baby shower was being held also struck oh so no he. He's just happened to be in a backyard presumably not fenced from the other property. The people who were there for the gender reveal also were not near the canon. The canon fired by the homeowner as family was celebrating a baby's pending arrival was similar to a signal cannon more commonly as a novelty item. And that sounds like what she would've been referring to like a hand held one. Because i just looked it up to try to show ian and they all looked hand held like a candle. Say this doesn't sound like it could be hand held. If if it's exploding with shrapnel hills a man i mean that seems unlikely. I know i'm laughing and that's horrible. But the the stupidity on display here. This guy bought the kennan at an auction and had fired it several times before. It's suspected that the shrapnel came from the breaking apart during the explosion is designed to create a big flash allow noise and create smoke. The kennan did not contain any projectiles but is suspected that the gunpowder loaded into the device caused the kennedy fracture resulting in shrapnel being spread in the area so he bought a real cannon. Like not the type that i was talking about at all and just tried to put like some powder in it and killed someone. That's pretty much what it sounds like. Yeah and no one at any point in any of this said hey dude. This seems like a bad idea. Can we not do this well. It's been free talk live. That's that's it for us this evening but he can fight us on the internet. In the meantime freetalklive dot com or check us out on our new social media social dot freetalklive dot com. Thanks for listening. You're welcome to another exciting adventure of jonathan gullible. As you may recall we last left. Jonathan got on a remote pacific island after his boat was blown off course by a terrific storm eager to learn about the inhabitants of this island. Jonathan approach the large screaming crowd that had gathered around a tall man in the center. The crowd grew quite as the man spoke. And jonathan saw this as a chance to ask questions we must save our young from the evil ones who are evil once there are some people use guns to force themselves on our citizens. They are criminals. There are also some wheat mary berries. They're also criminals mary berries. What is so bad about mary. Mary's mayberry's turbo. Because it makes people feel good. It's just an escape. What are they trying to escape from. There are trying to escape from reality and we have decided to put these escapees in our su- so they will do that to themselves. What if they don't want to go into zoo. We have plenty of guns to force them. And how did you decide to put mary berry. Turn into jail. We are highly civilized people and we decide good and evil by raising our hands and counting those with the fewest hands. Raised must be like the others are going to the zoo. What if the vote changes. Oh yes then. Everyone could be required to eat mary berries or go to the zoo milled. Freedom with laughter joined the community access free media clips and more or get your free. Pdf copy of the book. Go to jonathan gullible dot com now. Jonathan gullible dot com.

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Nazi Land - 148

The How-To Heretic

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Nazi Land - 148

"Welcome! To the how to heretic. An uncle Dan I'm uncle. Doug and this is your user's guide to life on the outside. That's right leaving. Religion is the first step into a larger better world, but it can also be scary world. Things differently now ever fear. That's why we're here. Would help from good friends of experts in all sorts of fields. We're going to share the stories and seek the knowledge to build a great light. They're all only get the one that we know of so you'd better make the most. Good gentle folk of the twitter. What is this the Padras? Yes, and uncles? Calls. So good. I'm glad we rehearsed this bit. Yeah, we. We're doing great. And I'm telling you one forty nine. We're going to get it, we're. We're launching like SPACEX into this one we're. We're hoping by one forty eight to have some of this down, but it seems doubtful. The trend. It's not trending well so here. We are at one forty eight. What a fun show! I am going to everything just. I'll I'll roads point to Nazis. Fake Ones Yeah, real Nazis fake roads. It's it's weird. And then I am going to check in on some old friends of ours from episodes passed in a heretics in the news that that Y- news. And I am going to sort of talk about what we do I mean part of our whole thing is. Is What I'm GonNa talk about. Does that make any Centeno, that didn't make any sense at all and figured out. Yeah, we're really rocking and rolling baby. We'll bring it, but we'll figure it out. This is atheist Jazzman. Totally. It's God's. You don't believe in it. And it doesn't rhyme, and it's not on rhythm. Yeah, that's perfect so and I just WANNA. Say Real. Quick thing I've been we. We've been getting quite a few emails lately from people that are kind of really having hard time. and. other than just saying. Hey, we've we feel it. We understand there's not a ton weakened to, but we're just glad you're here with us and. We're having our struggles as well. But I'm glad we have this community. I'm glad I have reason to get out of bed one day a week and exactly is do for me for us so. We talked about this very briefly. Mark the other day that the people who've left religion all over the world might be the biggest community of people in the world with a single thing in common, and if you're if you're one of those people and you're depressed right now, because of the way the world is or the you know the woes you're feeling. You are literally less alone than probably. Anyone's ever been in history because all of us are in that boat with you. We are all drinking alone together. I think that's I think that's the fourth step away. Our new. That's our new shirt drinking alone together. So, we love you and we feel you and we I'm giving you the biggest. Virtual, socially distant hug I possibly can so thanks for tuning in and making it, so I don't have to go to Doug House and see if he's alive, every Sunday so. All Right? Let's do a show, do it. Uncle Dan Hey Doug. How are you I'm I'm okay. How are you? Well! As a win yes sure. Fact that I answer. The phone is a big deal. Yeah, I'd like to think that each of us. Bring something to this show. our own specialities. And remarked tends to be the keeper of of lost. Things lost landmasses continent. You might call him incontinent. Exactly it's true I'm like Franklin Gela in the finder of lost loves. Remember, that terrible show that was like one season in nineteen, eighty, nine, hundred, ninety, two or something I know. Remembers only human. Being on the Earth remembers that maybe. Franklin Gela. o come on, but doesn't like Franklin Journal. He was the finder of lost loves. I am the finder of lost things including continent so? Let's dive right in Fellas, since since we as a nation or about to feed millions of our children to the empty orange, mock for no discernible reason by making them return to school, and since unmarked fascist shock, troops are now kidnapping people in the post in Portland. And since HBO didn't renew watchman for a second season. Are, you kidding me. No, they didn't fucking renew watchmen. Like one of the best fuck television shows ever made. Quit America, that's it. That's that's it? That's all I can. Stands I can't stand. There was there was a there was a camel's back and it got broke. It just straight broke. That was the straw I. Know I just criminal. You guys are morning. I was going to say. I thought I'd do something silly and superfluous. Light rather than add to the yawning sense of dread that is replace baseball is the national pastime. But, without realizing the fraught path I was heading down, I fucked up. Silly thing I was doing turns out to be a bit of a fucking nightmare, so let's laugh through the tears and cry through the laughter together in this moment of triumph in stupidity and needless death. So as we all know all sorts of dumb or silly or probably wrong ideas come to us from ancient times despite the insistence as Dan demonstrated in his discussion on. That because the wisdom is ancient, it is also more better. This is what's the word? Not true ancient stuff can be mind, blowing and incredibly cool like pyramids and stuff, but it seldom better than our current knowledge of the natural world, and our understanding of our own brains. Yeah, our pyramids are made of glass and you get to gamble in them, yeah! So much better. Ask the Mayans who, while fucking amazing, got a whole bunch of white people to. Capris over the world, ending in two thousand, twelve, while failing to. Augur their own ending. Or mistranslation, causing the world's greatest minds to think a girl who'd never had intercourse could give birth to a Jewish demi-god. Causing destructive of obsession with quote, virginity and purity that haunts us to this day. Even very stupid story that contradicts it's another one just before it on the same page has educated human beings to this day. Believing men have an odd number of ribs and women have an even number, and they're shocked to find out. It's not true in their first year of medical school. True Story. Do you know that happens? A lot like does met students like wait what? So When old people didn't know the why or how the thing they made something up? Maybe they had some scraps of Info or what they felt were good reasons, but basically they just made it up and just like we do on the show all day. event. So with today's subject something, the Greeks pulled out of their beautifully sculpted behinds since at least four fifty. That being hyper BEREA. Oh. Hyper Borey I think that's what I had an elementary school. I was always hyper board. What are you guys? We're taking Ritalin. Hyper falls into the same category as a couple of things we've talked about on the show before. Being Terra incognita regions yet to be mapped or understood, or for our purposes, fabled or made up lands. We've disgusted Lantis what I call. What for White People? Conduct cotton to more than once on the show that we still haven't done a dedicated segments to it. And we've discussed my favorite terra incognita Liguria in episode one or to the long skinny continent that according to various Louis stretch for medic esker across the Indian Ocean to India and then east all the way across the Pacific to touch on coastal Washington state. So that's probably a true thing. listen to our segment on ramp and his boozy lady friend Jay Z. Night in episode fifteen for that hilarity. It is super funny. And while there are tons of other Terry Incognito in. In Lauren legend across the world's cultures, these three. Atlantis area and hyper bauria still have relevance even today. In some of the silliest and unfortunately ugliest corners. Of Quasi, religious cultist, and even political thought. Seriously depressing so. The ancient Greek writer! Herodotus mentions a place where mysterious, very pale, very tall people live far from the warm Mediterranean. And he called that place hyper Bauria beating a place beyond the north wind. As personified by the Wind God of the North Wind Boreas. A so hyper beyond aureus hyper Borat. who who herodotus believe lived around threes. which is where modern Bulgaria is so somewhere north of there, apparently maybe in modern Romanian hard to say. Now I'm not sure that how much Co mingling there was between whatever tall white people live beyond the mountains, and the coastal Greeks, but this idea bubbled up a couple of centuries before Alexander spread his Zeki all over the place. In the known world conquering all sorts of distant lands and peoples. But it's likely there was either direct contact or stories carried by travelers, maybe so the Greeks just made up the name of the place and the people they filled in the blanks after that they filled in the blanks rather ludicrously. As Time wore on. It was said that the hyperbaric. Vitale. Lived a thousand years. Were always happy, and the sun was up twenty four hours a day. Having been to Iceland. That's only happy for so long. You start losing your fucking mind. So there are some tantalizing clues here. It's basically impossible that any Greek, had reached the North Pole in the fifth century. But it is possible that someone they had come in contact with had been to the extreme north of Europe where the sun can be up for more than twenty hours a day in summer. Sure so the Greek thinkers and writers whose work on the subject survives could never agree on exactly where in the distant world they knew almost nothing about hyper. Gloria was except that it was somewhere north and that the people were very white. this will matter more than any of us would like it to in a bit. A I had about sixteen sources on the segment, but I do want to specifically credit youtuber huntress ex Thompson. Did a great piece on this. For her extremely info, heavy discussion on this topic so. The Greeks bequeathed us. Their folly and God's, but eventually moved on from them themselves. Including the silliness of hyper area and happy thousand year old white people. But the idea is didn't disappear. As Europe industrialized later colonized, some people there felt both alienated by the failures of conservative Western religion in society to address the pressures and alien nation of modernity. Some of those people began to consume the exotic ideas and customs that flowed into the imperial capitals from their new colonial possessions mostly from the east India Egypt Persia China Cetera. This is an idea that would the word for this kind of idea and study at the time was coined as Oriental Ism. This was the western Esoteric mystical movement basically hit ton of generally upper-class board, white people sucking up the cool bits of the thinking in cosmology and rituals of various Brown people that they also thought of as lesser races. Weird but it is. One, such very famous esoteric mystic was Helena Levinsky who we talked about a bunch especially in episode fifty four. She was among the first to dust off hyper Berea as a real place in the nineteenth century, and somehow she science seance her way into stating that humanity. All derived from three quote root races and This, this is going to get good. As well. So they were the eighth obviously the Atlanta. Marian's elementary and the hyper Bahrain's the racist, perfect and pure, and only defiled themselves down by copulating with apes and other animals. Oh God, but the yet so rather than rather than advancing from lower forums. She thinks we have. Regressed from higher forms right right. Well not us. Not White people, but the white hyper borey did not get all beastie. And that's where white people come from We got guys. Find me one goddamn religious idea that isn't rooted in racism so exactly to be fair, and I'm not sure that's the right word to Levinsky pretty much. Everyone in the Esoteric Movement and Spiritualism in Europe was deeply into eugenics otherwise known as scientific racism, which we discussed an episode one twelve. And every sort of pseudoscientific race, theory and ethnographic Balderdash. As as they were into crystal balls and funny hats. So. She was hardly alone, but it began to take hold that weather just as a symbolic idea, or is a literal lost homeland. Hyper Borio was the glorious northern home to the vastly superior white race. That's is considered one of the founders of the movement and philosophy known as Esoteric Fascism. And she was the first person to use the term Aaron to refer to the earliest known Europeans the real, but little understood Proto Indo European people. Really. Yes, she was the corner, so aeriens were. It's it's a they actually. Weren't a race considered a race. It's a Sanskrit word, meaning, wise or something like that and and enlightened. So. This idea of hyper Bauria as the home of the original unpolluted White Uber Lynch's. Offered the confused and furious eugenicist and Spiritual Racist, the Early Twentieth Century Struggling to counter Darwinian evolutionary theory account narrative. One called. Poly. Jetsam. Polygamists apologize him a garbage theory that says that different human races are totally different origins. So they had a way not to be related to all the Dusky races of the earth, and going to bed at night, untroubled by dreams of their black, African, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, Great Grandmother Roy so we just kind of stumbled into compatibility these these. Yes, that genetically basically identical came from like three totally different. Origins which sure that? So what happens when you leave counterfactual white superiority trash like this laying around well in the early twentieth century, there were plenty of hands hungry for proof of white superiority very eager to pick it up as you can imagine. One such person was Rene Rene. which is a wonderful name. Who later was one of the last of the SS to surrender in Berlin defending the bunker with a very dead Hitler in it. He is a super important figure in neo-fascist Europe. He coined the term which I hadn't heard before from breast to Vostok. meaning. The idea to create to basically create out of nowhere. Hyper Bauria from the coast of France. All the way to the Pacific coast of Russia everything north of that line, right? So. Yeah, that's good. Another fine fellow that picked up the polar homeland bullshit and ran all the way to hell with it was Julius. EVOLA An Italian esoteric, hyper, fascist, and tremendously evil misogynist pro-violence. Anti Semite whose turgid writings have helped to inspire a whole new generation. Of European and Russian neo-fascists in them, he refers to hyper. Oria, and uses the word boreal. As a name for the Superior White Race interchangeable with very in vogue term area. That is name spelled almost the same as evil can't be too much of a coincidence. This gets so silly. Another jolly good fellow that wanted to establish permanent residency in the non existent white continent hyper-area was a fancy Chilean Monster Boy Culture Miguel Joaquin del Carmen Serano Fernandez. Aka Miguel Serrano. He was an upper-class Chilean Germanic file who was pissed about chalets neutrality during the Second World War an agitated for supportive Hitler's Germany, Already, a devoted of the occult. Serrano Meta mysterious German immigrant called simply F K. Who got him into a combination of astral projection? Hand Black. Magic and Kunda leany Yoga. It's not even we're not even there yet. And profess that there was a secret group of Aryan adepts hidden in the Himalayas and they had summoned the spiritual superbeing Adolf Hitler who who they referred to as a boy. Schutte booed dish Vob Bah. Into existence on earth to prevent the Kelly, Yuga, the final destructive cycle cycle of all human life on earth, according to Hinduism that F K. Claimed he could communicate with the fuhrer on the astral plane. In Surra, yeah I need to repeat the last three minutes or so because I think I just had a stroke. Yes. You didn't know. There was a con Delaney Yoga Hitler Tien. Did? Not See that coming. Just know that there's a guy walking around. Who is dare astro fewer. Well a just about to demonstrate that. So. FDA and Serena were early practitioners of a real movement. Called Esoteric Hitlerism. Yeah. I'm going to do a segment about whole segment about another time. The natural natural heir of levesque's Esoteric Fascism. And is an ongoing thing that says I said we'll discuss later after the war k insisted that Hitler had survived. Head was living under the ice cap in Antarctica. So Serano with looking for him look! God, that's good. This is all true at sadly, both didn't find Hitler and himself survived his journey. But. This is even spookier, but did become the Chilean Ambassador to India. God Austria. Most chillingly the International Atomic Energy Agency. He was very much a believer in the literal hyper boreanaz, super race, and the loss, northern homeland, and believed until his death in two, thousand, nine, two, thousand, nine, that the extermination of the Jews was an incomplete mission. Oh my God well. She'll. Right? They did not completely exterminate the Jews to get partial credit on. That one didn't quite hit their quota, did they? I would love to just see the you know the. Recap of his trip. To Antarctica or the well, he wrote a book about it. He actually wrote a book. He wrote a book about all of that and anyway I've. Kind of a side note, there's apparently a book that covers a lot of this stuff in a lot of Esoteric Hitlerism. That I've ordered called a black sun, so I'm extremely interested to while you're going to be hearing more garbage in the future. Kids sorry about. An episode fifty two. We had a good laugh at former Mormon, and Blue Ribbon Lunatic Rodney cluff and his hollow earth theory. He took some dumb survey. Shins of Edmond Halley Eighteenth Century. Smart guy that the communists named after. About the North Pole and Hollow Planet and folded the racist version of hyper BEREA. Onto and into it, claiming a super race of white people who were ten feet, tall and live. Two thousand years actually lived inside the earth. And that's where the flying saucers. The aliens gave the Nazis ended up at the end of the war, right? So it's still following me. I hope it's not going anywhere good. So, Rodney cliff is a clown and a joke and harmless twenty one but himself, but that Wackadoo nugget about Nazis. Just like some of the actual Nazis I name before is what jerked my silly little story about hyper Bauria from an ancient curiosity to a potential modern atrocity. The writings and beliefs of people like Boulevard Ski evola Beret and Cyrano have caught on like crazy with modern esoteric neo-fascist worldwide. But most especially in the part of the world. That believes itself to be hyper, Beria. Mostly Russia and northern Europe. Or kooks and knuckle draggers, but some are very powerful KOOKS. Some knuckle draggers. Like Dutch parliamentarian Terry Day, who talks about who I? Think is still in office talks about wanting to seize and cleanse the boreal world of non whites. Or Putin confidant Alexander Dugan who is a big believer in white Russian supremacy, and spouts the SS, Officer Benes Hyper Burien slogan from breast of Ladder Vostok Menacingly. The European Christianised neo-pagan right is gaining troubling amount of traction in European politics. And is essentially in power in Russia. So from France to Hungary. From Italy. Sorry European nationalist, very keen on the idea. Whether symbolically or more troublingly literally. that they were born out of pretend lost continent, the Greeks new too little about the world to have made half guests at that is not at the North Pole. Nor under it, nor any map because the idea of sharing common humanity with black people or Jews is too terrifying for them to bear. That is maybe the most stupid thing I've ever had to write about for this show. I did crypto zoology and David Ike. And it's. It's this God. Damn dangerous as it is absurd. This is an example of the inherent danger. Stupid, irrational, superstitious beliefs. It's kind of like guns right. Theoretically harmless if left alone, but. Capable of pretty incalculable damage in the hands of someone. With, bad intentions or malice so. Stupid. Stupid, exactly so for. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when who was it originally can a made up this the which Greek was it? Herodotus an and they think that might even have come from that. He might have been citing older sources sure but. The seven seventh century BC. It doesn't sound like this in his mind was a master race. It sound. It sounded like they were kind of freakish. Like ten foot, tall white ghouls like monsters, can a happy go lucky? Though well, so the Greeks were kind of all over the place with it and it just it. It evolved over a few centuries. into. Oh, there's tall white people up there somewhere to. They're happy all the time. The Sun's always up. It's a land of milk and they thought the North Pole that where the North Pole is a land of milk and honey, right? So they weren't freaks they were it. It's kind of easy to read them as superior in some way. Right because the life span and Right, you know life outcomes or whatever? But it's just garbage, right? It's complete garbage and there are violent extremists who either one hundred percent believe. It's true or just think it's you know it's like a swastika to them. It's an important symbol of their superiority so right. Denny still the slogan for Hyper Gloria Right it's always sunny at Denny's. Come. That is something I did not look into for this segment. Are Denny's Nazi Tien. We're going to have to reconsider. At this point. Moons over hyper BEREA. Moons over Berlin. That you know if it it, it doesn't end, does it that the derp is so dumb and so deep, and then so fucking dangerous like I thought this. You know when you mentioned what you're doing earlier this week to me. That'll be fun. And now I'm not at all happy. I was ruined. Our lives Mark Iv like can I just fucking once find something? It's the racism there it is. Yet racism and violent extremism found it. We live our lives in an amusement park, but all of the rides and badly. They're all on fire. All of the rides are missing the last fifteen feet of track. And ended a pile of burning books so there you go kids. That's hyper Bauria Believe in it. Maybe maybe when the European Union lets us back in we can. We can meet up there, so let's toss this on the tectonic pilot. Unless continent. Moving on? Uncle Mark. You know there was a time in the world when we used to go to movies I. Don't know if you remember that. No, not ringing a bell. You mean talkies. Yeah well and and speaking of talkies. Do you remember they used to be even before our time that you used to get a newsreel before the talkies? Right and that is. How got your you know your non? Daily paper news that's right and a guy with a terrific voice would usually say something like heretics in the news. And underneath him would be like Tonton. tontons there'd be a whole bunch of people marching through and. Today Charles Lindbergh met the first heretics of society. So I think Doug. You need to put on your best that voice and and take us through the heretics in the news. Good kick in the pants. Let's get to that point, so dear uncles many of the subjects we cover on the show or long dead religions. And long buried gods, but sometimes we talk about people or movements that are very much alive and continue and continue to bugger the minds of our fellow humans in real time. and. Although it's my firm, desire that just by shining a light on the stupid shit, it would go away. Unfortunately, what's dumb? We'll never die and several of these things we've talked about in the past. Continue like a racist, cold sore to pop back up in the news or in popular culture from time to time. And so in order to check in on the derp of the day. Let's revisit my ongoing segment heretics in the news. Ten. So I want to make clear. I honestly had no intention of talking about any of this even just a couple of days ago. In fact, I had a completely other segment in the works, but as I've said many times before it seems that God is a fan of the show and that he's been on a a bit of math binge lately. You have any left I know. Where did you get it? At this point? My neighborhood come on down. I can hook you, up. No problem. So don't worry dear listeners. I will simply push off my intendant segment until next week and I can promise you. It will be mediocre. So I up. Our country is in the throes of a long overdue, and in all likelihood far too late to save US racial reckoning. One of the forms of this reckoning has taken as the toppling of statues of confederate generals and other notable historical racists. And one would think that the recipients of one of history's worst ass kickings worse even than when the go bots tried to topple the transformers. Would not be interested in memorialize that colossal loss, and wanted to be right these ubiquitous statues of your stonewalls Jackson Your Nathan Bedford Forrest and your Jefferson Davis. Are Not intended to remind us of a proud and glorious history, they are one hundred percent intended to remind our brothers and sisters of color that we did at once and we're GONNA. Fuck into it again so. It is no small pleasure to watch. These terrible totems topple, so let's take a quick look at the most recent confederate monument to crumble into dust. Jefferson beauregard sessions a third lost his primary bid for his Republican seat in the Senate on Tuesday. To one Tommy Tuber reveal. So don't make up opponents. Credible you gotta come up with better names than that for real before we move on to bathe in the sweet elixir of Schadenfreude of this humiliating loss. Let's address one thing Tommy to Brazil is as stupid as his name. Lead you to believe. And while he sounds like a harmless mascot of an Idaho, potato, festival. If, he wins against Doug Jones, in November, he will be as much if not more of a nightmare. Then the sentient clan Maske has relegated to the dustbin of history yeah. we have of course talked about sessions. This particularly well-groomed swamp L. before. In episodes forty, one and forty six in the former episode to talk about how sessions was citing Romans thirteen to try to breach the wall between Church and state, and in the former episode to talk about how talk about his newly-formed Religious Liberty Task Force. remember the Halcyon days when we thought that Jeff sessions was the biggest threat to our democracy. No, Jeff sessions is no longer the worst attorney general in US history. Every time we need to be careful about making big pronouncements about how bad people are. Literally. This is the this is the administration of hold my beer. A. Truly. So a quick reminder hour refresher on Jefferson sessions when Donald J trump was nothing but a SPEC in our telescopes. Jeff sessions was easily the most racist retrograde, despicable man in the United States Senate, and that my friends is saying something. Yeah, the the fact that he looked and acted like every racist southern judge in every civil rights movie ever had actually relegated him to the fringes of the body. He spent twenty years infecting, so it was perhaps no surprise that he was the first, the very first senator to hitch his wagon to the still comical trump campaign. This, which chewed him up. Shit him out for real. This early endorsement was only one of many nails in the coffin of American democracy. But it did land the job he'd always wanted attorney general of the United States of America Yup one of the most blatantly racist creatures, still drawing breath in two thousand sixteen was put in charge of all of our nation's law enforcement apparatus. However like go mark said this did not last long, and before sessions could even truly begin to enact his agenda History Donald Trump's malfeasance outpaced him. When trump fired James. Comey and Rob Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller to investigate trump and Russia sessions had no choice but to follow the law and precedent and recuse himself from the whole affair. This was his first mistake is breathtaking. He is. That is the only incidents of abiding nece. In the entire administration in three and a half years. The last moment exactly someone was like Oh. We need to obey like even the most basic modicum of ethical rules here, and it cost him everything right, and that exactly that might explain what came next for you. See Donald Trump spoiler alert is a terrible person. So I know. Believe it. I'm sorry to break this time. We sure about this. Show you the past three years he dug, he correctly identified an elephant on a piece of paper. You know it's funny as I for the Shits and giggles took that cognitive test. Right before we started recording. An extra minute and I'm I'm more embarrassed for my for my country than it was an hour ago. Yeah, so. So trump is focused. What is left of his brain on the lawful actions oh. Sorry you mean the utter betrayal of just of Jeff Sessions, and has rewarded one of his perhaps most influential and consequential backers with the level of petty vindictive mean girl. Miss that is truly remarkable. Trump and unceremoniously fired sessions and has spent the subsequent years change doing everything in his power to ruin him and on Tuesday night. He succeeded. Trump indoors tuber. Ville, which helped him trout session sixty sixty one to thirty nine percent. In a final, pathetic dixie death rattle sessions final campaign ad had him dawning a Maga- hat one last time in a desperate attempt to prove his utterly misplaced loyalty show Ya it was PA FETIG yeah. this was as humiliating defeat, as could be imagined and so. Let us salute the latest confederate soldier to meet the business end of a union bayonet with the only song appropriate for such a solemn occasion. It's raining men by the weather. Girls performed on the therapy by a colony of rabid bats. Next up back in episode one or two. We discussed cute. The Cunanan conspiracy theory. If you haven't listened to that episode, or if you don't remember what Cunanan is, it is basically unified field theory of DERP. Take the flatter conspiracy. The Hallways Conspiracy Hollow Moon Conspiracy, the cliff notes of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion sprinkle a little, extra racism, some white supremacy and xenophobia, and why not some Esoteric Hitlerism? Go and then put your head in a plastic bag for seven minutes while blasting ride of the valkyries at full volume. There you go now you've got. On your on your dirt bike going as fast as you can exactly, but very least at secret knowledge that you can have and that they the stupid liberals don't have, and you can postpone them all day long with it, then that's Yup, that is exactly right. And it has conspiracies do morphed a bit since we discussed it back in September of last year mostly. Somehow, try and explain how Q. The deep state mole that was funneling secret and important information to his followers, somehow failed to mention the coming of the greatest viral pandemic since the Spanish flu that was unleashed by China or by US or by Iran or not or maybe. They will not friends. Wasn't it sure why not yeah was killary? It will not surprise you to know. That mask mandates a part of the global communist Jewish atheist, Muslim Kardashian conspiracy. To literally muzzle patrons. Muslim, patriotic Americans and make them rebrith their precious bodily fluids and weaken their minds by low level, carbon dioxide poisoning. Well, wait a minute I at this point. Don't we have to back the Kardashians out of it? Since yeezy is running for President? That's how deep it goes. The deep states already gotten to him, he already bailed on that well, but he's trying again. Oh, as easy. He was trying to get on the ballot North Carolina. Good good. So trump by steadfastly refusing to wear a mask, was proving to Q. Followers that he was on their side, and wasn't going to fall for the liberal trick the fact that he did wear a mask the other day is sign okay? It was a sign that. Okay! He knew about the conspiracy and was. His mask was assigned to someone about something. Hold on, okay I got this trump's mask was black like the Black Watch and game of thrones, the eight season of which was terrible. This is the eighth half year of the trump's first term. Washington was the first president. He cut down a cherry. Tree Jerry's or read, and that's why firetrucks read because they're always rushing around. We are through the looking glass here, people. I mean that is only finds himself being sworn in as a member. Of Congress, how did this happen? You could be a cabinet without your against your will if you're not careful dog fully. All right so the theory was bouncing around on right wing, read it, and then started appearing on signs and t shirts at trump rallies trump himself appeared to toss out a few bones to this most arranged end of deranged party, mostly by flirting with the number seventeen, because q is the seventeenth letter Nova. I know Oh, did he really just say something about seventeen just? It was okay so a few times. Yeah, like just randomly seventeen angry Democrats. Yes, there was this. There were thirteen Democrats that he was targeting that. We're investigating him and in the midst of this whole Cunanan Bullshit. He changed that to seventeen. I bet he didn't have anything to do with. Stephen. Miller tease too goddamn stupid now. Yeah, well. He knows what an elephant looks like. I have to keep saying this. Like all other conspiracies, this one just won't go away and has of late seen a very bizarre resurgence, firstly with several youtube videos, making the rounds of various and sundry white people taking what they are calling the digital soldiers pledge. The most famous of these videos is a former national security adviser and three. Star General Michael Flynn. Who recently avoided punishment for his convictions for lying to the FBI by employing the clever tactic of being rich white. That's a good one video. We should all do that. When it broke problem in the video. Presumably film in his backyard, Flynn and five middle aged friends decked out in their best tactical sweat, shirts and shorts. Raise their right hands and receipt recite the oath which reads as follows. Quote, I insert idiot name here do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same that I will take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and on that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of that office to which I of which I am about to enter, so help me God where we go one. We go all. So if that sounds familiar, it is because with one notable exception. It is the oath that all senators representatives. Many federal workers and members of the military take upon entering service. The one exception is of course where we go on. We go all. which is not just a slogan from the Nineteen ninety-six homoerotic coming of age movie, White Squall, which is the only reason. Isn't it it is true. And it's the only reason that marks still owns a VCR. But also that it's also around. Reasons. it's usually represented by its acronym. WW, Geo, Wgla or we'll go block. Should it be troubling that former national security advisor? Three star general is espousing this nonsense. Yeah, it. Should this guy like before he? Basically, colluded the Russians to cheat. This guy had access to or. Everything all of our spy satellites arcing every piece of intelligence. This guy had top top top security clearance, and he's fallen for this fucking Gobbledygook unbelievable. That's right. Or totally actually one hundred percent believable right now I now exactly yeah, the other incident that kind of had a resurgence Cunanan was just the other day while giving one of his signature unhinged advertisements for high. Clerk Lyn Whitehouse trade adviser. Peter Navarro appeared to have on a Cunanan Pin. Well, it's hard to tell if this was an actual in on pin. It sure looks like one. And Navarro and team are in no hurry to deny it. The cumin just the standard US flag pin, but with a gold Q. in the middle. If you look carefully, you will see this pin around the president. people are wearing this pin in the White House and around the White House. and in particular in the crop of Cunanan, believing candidates that have won primaries in Colorado Georgia Oregon and California. Say believing or do you think that they're just piling on a bandwagon to like to dog? Whistle to their believing I. If you listen to them when they talk about it, it's hard not to believe that they believe you know what I mean. Damn it! Yeah, that's terrifying if they're not if they don't believe it. They're good at faking it so. I'm sorry to say. Is this election years and things get worse than our country. You're going to see a lot a lot more q posters and signs and Cubans. Please don't be surprised to see these pins on politicians and most alarmingly on police and soldiers, yeah. So you know hopefully when the election's over it goes the right direction, there'll be a lot of people looking to kind of find their way out of this. But incidentally, what do you call a group of people trying to leave Cunanan? I know now. I don't either Cunanan. On. June fourth of this year. The New York. Times had a podcast daily podcast with featured a woman who found her way out of this conspiracy, and it's pretty fascinating. Heard that it's pretty interesting. And speaking of nutball conspiracies and the dopes who for them Ammon Bundy? You might remember. You might remember our old friend Ammon Bundy and his father cliven from episode, one forty four, where we talked about their repeated standoffs with the federal government, and how they kept getting away with it well, their ears must have been burning, because just like another addition to the fast and furious franchise. They're back and they're stupid. It seems that too. Many new cycles had passed without another installment of the Bunkerville hillbillies. So Amann decided to literally burst into the scene. And where was the latest venue for Amines? Never ending crusade for freedom or liberty or rare birds, or who the fuck knows? It turns out that Amin decided to crash a southwest district health meeting in Caldwell Idaho. off what he's near Idaho Right. He's an and caldwell is north of Boise. So those of us in the West. No, that's that's pretty far up. Idaho in Idaho is a big tall, skinny state. The dirty Canada touching state. That's right so. What was Bundy and several of his posse doing in Caldwell. I don't fucking know. Why was Michael Cain and jaws for the revenge? It's best not to think about it too much and just accept. It was therefore judge. Just four by the way was the first movie to use the tagline this time. It's personal no. I remember that. Yeah, it's true. It's also remember just as a way of explaining I do. Michael Cain wants released an acting for film sort of little video and on it. I think that's where he said I will take any acting job that you pay me a million dollars for. Did. He really yeah. If you have not seen jaws, the revenge don't is that. Is that the one where Roy Scheider holds up the electrical cable at the end and jazz bites it. No, that's just to just four is where where his wife stabs jaws in the chest with a boat. Walk? Jazz okay. Mr Does. About Mrs Jaws. The Caldwell Health Department was meeting to discuss a possible mask mandate, which is of course, catnip, two types like bundy right who liked their in on brethren see having to wear masks as exactly the same as Chattel slavery. It's crazy that in northern Idaho, thank. You could even call that meeting without just the sound of gunfire coming from right exactly yeah, and and when I say, they believe that masks are the same as slavery. For Real they actually believe that are real and all. That's the verbiage that they use the YEP. So the health department had already instituted a mask mandate inside their own building, because they're you know a health department bright, which became the source of the confrontation as Bundy and several of his determined derp demanded entry into the building while refusing to put on masks. Video of the incident was posted online, and in it you can see Bundy and several other men pushing shoving and threatening these poor scared health department workers. The standoff goes on for nearly half an hour with several instances of assault by Bundy drew before the health. Department cancelled the meeting to avoid violence Those brave brave patriots. I know right and of course Bundy had the ubiquitous constitution pop poking out of his pocket. the police were called, but once again nobody was arrested, meaning that this will not be the last time Bundy or someone associated with him assault some innocent person so when it happens, they're white. What are they? What are they gonNa, do arrest them. Come on, so when that happens. Inevitably you can bet on two things. We'll talk about it on this show and next time. It's personal. We have to say Michael Cain. Cocaine next time it's personal. I do. I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA. Give you a beep B minus you're feeling generous today. I. That's a round up of heretics in the news for this July. Two Thousand Twenty feels great feels good be! We're all about it. We're all about it. Thanks for that Uncle Dog, shall we move on? Let's do it oh, please. All Right Gentlemen, who we do this thing every week. We're not sure what it is, but we talk into the void, and then other people apparently somehow managed to pick it up. It's a series of tubes got on how it works. I just gotTa jump in here. I have a worry, I, think we I think we might have done a bad. Oh, I think. DID WE MISS GENDER JAWS? Jaws as a man. A, man shark. I. That's a great question. You know what jaws is listener. Right into us. 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It is an honor to finally get to assign you tacit your forever destination the great beyond following your untimely, but glorious death after your taken out by drone owned by Sun, Records Company in Memphis after you ram the gates of Graceland on Christmas Eve in the stolen Oscar Wilde Oscar Mayer Wiener mobile for reasons that will haunt your loved ones for the rest of their lives. I'm pretty sure. Oscar. Wilde Weiner Oscar Wilde. That's also works today. A upon entering the great silence. You pass through space and time until you hear a faint sound. And Pretty soon you can make out a Staccato rhythm and a very distinct rapid guitar plug. Is it familiar? Maybe you're surprised is vaguely familiar, because it is the one thousand nine hundred seventy nine new wave cover of the Beatles classic money brackets. That's what I want and brackets by the flying lizards catchy, almost robotic and its repetitiveness. That's odd, but you see tacit. You've spent a lifetime serving and educating others. And like all of us, there's been plenty of times when you weren't sure where you were going to get your next vegemite sandwich, or how you were ever going to get another shrimp on your repossessed Barbie, so as you descend through some peculiar clouds, your feet plant firmly upon a beautiful, but extremely I'd landscape. You tacit are now in forever in money. Heaven. That's right tells me they get sounds good. Some tells me he's GonNa. Go bad though that there's no. We've established no pattern of that in. So that's right after a lifetime of pinching pennies and tightening the belt you have landed in. The NARNIA, a fully fungible fantasy of luscious liquidity and Monetary Majesty. You could not have dreamed of in Life Scrooge mcduck. Swimmer just to get across the rivers of rams, the streams of shillings, the lakes of Lira and the estuaries of Euros. The vistas dazzlingly constructed. There's mansions of Martinian rupees. 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And you don't eat or drink anymore because that. And you wear you wear the same damn close every day. A very fine tunic of two dollars and sandals of Somaliland shillings with fine belt of Bangladeshi pullers so. What is there to spend this infinity of reinvest able riches on tacit well nothing. It's all useless I mean it's not totally useless since the entire universe is made out of it. But there are no stores, no debts, not even the trifling luxury of retail therapy. It's just a weird world made of money that serves no other purpose. and. Quote any quote religious. Heaven just like the absurdist eternal pleasure prisons. We can talk for a fee. are nothing more than poorly thought out prisons. And and turn case of metaphysical blue balls. 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You know how to make those work. You Click on the support US thing. It gives you the option you go, you go to the Patriots. You go to the papal. End and boom. You're you're there? You're giving his money. It's so simple. Put All your transnistrian rubles right into the gap in the machine. And you can't do that gives five stars. It actually really really helps because it helps. Other people find a so lighter night sky, and let's move on. DOC, Hello! you know. there. There is a time and a place for everything and and There's a time and a place for. Everyone has somebody's British parent I can't remember who said. There's a live for every pot. Right meaning, there's some there's somebody out there for all of us and I think. That's that's a hopeful message. And I don't know where I'm going with this. Damn recipe from. Time to every purpose under heaven and a chicken in every pot. Lid. Brought it. All home tied to the did yeah. Alright. That was a great segment. Let's move on. Thank you, okay, no listen. Obviously. You're new to this whole GIG clearly. Yes that was that was ridiculous, but unlike you neophytes you newborns to the potus fear. I've been podcast him for a while. Like since back in the days, where every time I told someone I had a podcast I had to explain what that was my. MOM still calls it a blog. As a matter of fact, thank God I. Made Theus Released Are Four hundred and fiftieth weekly episode this last weekend. owns. Thank you so that's yeah, that's that's narrowing in on nine years that we've been doing this thing that is not. Years. Holy smokes well congrats literally Soi. The. Literally the longest I've ever held a job of any kind, so that's Kinda Fun. Job. Well hand job is still job so I guess a podcast is too so yeah exactly. When you put something out into the world for that long, even something as silly and stupid as what I ended up putting out, you start to know where you stand among your peers. take that other podcasters. When I say I'm their peer I. DON'T I? Don't really know why. Anyway. See It seems to have always what seems to have always stood out about Tgi. The feedback that we have consistently gotten from day. One is that we're the nice guys of atheist podcasting. Funny because we're pretty merciless when it comes to tearing into religious stupidity but. What we rarely do is rage. Enjoy listen to other atheists podcasts. A relative scale. Yeah, exactly exactly. Like raging is sort of one of the big hallmarks of atheism themed podcasting. Not that I, believe the stereotype that atheists are more angry than everybody else. We aren't. There's actually science to prove it, but there's also a science to prove that even atheists think they're more angry than the rest of the world, which is interesting. It's yeah, so let's let's a late leave that stereotype in the dust from here on in but. When we! Talk about the subject of atheism and religion. Will, there's a lot in that topic that is worthy of some anger, so it's no wonder that that's what so many shows do I think that's natural. It's just not what Tgi has always been about now. One of the big outcomes of this of us being these nice guys is that we have become a haven for people who are new to non-belief. People, who have left their religion are and are taking their first baby steps into the undiscovered country of nihilistic lawless decadence that we call atheism. And it can be tender time for them. So when they fire up their pod blaster of choice and tentatively searched the word atheism. It can be a bit of a shock when they find themselves bombarded by vitriol or swimming in dockings and Hitchens, deep cuts with reverence, so that are so. Bas- ball that they feel they couldn't possibly catch up. Yeah, so when they find US Tgi a couple of dufuses just trying to make sense of the madness in the world. They feel a little less intimidated but the truth is. The TGI was designed to be that for people. It was just a side effect of who we were, and how we structured our show, so uncle mark you and I started to talk about doing a new podcast and asked ourselves what hole there is to fill in the eighty s podcasting world. After you vetoed my best boobs of atheism. Review idea. Well, it's it's not totally off the table. Okay yeah it wasn't. It wasn't our first choice. And then I just feel like I'd be a little bit at a deficit, but I'll catch up well right well. Obviously either me or Eli it's. Fuck see like God. Damn it now. We don't do it well. Okay, that's true. The adds so much anyway. After. You've vetoed that idea and I next year atheist bike trails of Sweden deep dive. We landed on Crete. Look! It's it's just not my dad's. Blair. I fall short well. There's a lot of good boobs on those trails. So that's a good point. There's some synergy here. Maybe maybe we've got a combination thing coming up. Okay? Look for our new show coming out in a few weeks. Anyway what we landed on was trying to create something new for something four new atheists. Yeah, we thought look. Let's custom build a space where people who are fresh out of religion will feel welcomed and heard and seen. We can even try to give them some tools to be happier in their new lives as non-believers. Let's provide a soft landing for these fledgling. Little birds, and that's how to heretic was born. That's that is literally the true. It is yeah, so here's the thing. A number of religiously affiliated People v Number, sorry, the number of religiously affiliated people in this country is falling and fast. According to Pew in the last ten years, the number of US adults who identify as Christian has fallen from seventy seven percent to sixty five percent. How many numbers just the Cova killing religious people? Well that's nice. Yeah, yeah, I mean well I. Don't know this. These are pre- Cova numbers the the the postcode numbers. We are just going to blow our minds, yes. The number who are unaffiliated has risen from seventeen percent to twenty six percent. That's about thirty million new nuns in a decade. Wow, that's almost a whole. Canada of nuns that is almost a whole candidate of nuns. By the way my new band. Canada of nuns will be dropping our I. Bike trail deep dive in August so look for that. But of that twenty six percent. Only. Four percent are willing to use the word atheist when describing themselves, and only five percent are willing to say agnostic. eightieths and diagnostics, but they won't use those words. And that is that I mean that's doing no small part to the fact that atheists have been systematically demonized in our society for well ever ever. We've been demonized forever. we are a big scary bogeyman that Clare the clergy have been terrorizing their congregations with since time immemorial. There's nothing we can really do about that, but. There's another reason why people don't want to be associated with atheism, and it's a little more distressing to me. And that is that we have never learned the very first lesson that every successful new church has learned, which is how to make new, people feel welcome, included and safe mind you on your choice to their wallet, right exactly and those churches have some distinct advantages over us. They're willing to use some pretty potent mind. Control techniques that we don't and shouldn't use. And they have easy answers to questions that we have no answers to, or if we have answers, they're huge and complex and really difficult to understand. And like idiots. We're honest about that. But even with all of their advantages, there's no reason we can't do as good a job as churches at welcoming these sweet new baby butterflies into our flutter. Now I don't mean to condescend. These are mostly. Adults were talking about, but make no mistake. and. I'm sure many of our listeners can to this. For? Many people leaving religion isn't just a change of perspective or philosophy. It's not just a matter of I. believe some different things now. It is a nuclear blast changes everything yeah. So when I talk about fledgling, little birds or baby butterflies I'm talking about people regardless of age who, in many ways are starting entirely from scratch. So. For so many of these people leaving religion means building a completely new world view from the ground up that their whole lives, their entire sense of what humans are why they do what they do, and what their lives are supposed to be about come from their religious tradition. Their concepts of morality and ethics, their understanding of fairness and their place in the universe are all up ended the second. They admit to themselves that they no longer subscribe to religion. These are core level identity issues. We're not just talking about what these people believe. We're talking about who they are and suddenly they're no longer sure about that. That can be a terrifying abyss as into absolutely. and it's not just about worldview. Leaving religion also is a social earthquake a lot of the time, so for so many people they find themselves suddenly their friends, their family, the people they thought they could count on no matter what abandon them. Their support system their whole community, even their beloved traditions and customs. Those can come tumbling down. Add to that that many people live in areas where nobody is allowed to be to not be religious. Where they've never even met someone who's an out of the closet. Atheist and the sense of isolation and devastation can become unbearable. So. What can we do for these poor souls? As people who have been through through this ourselves or at least are aware of some of what they're going through. I think it's up to us to figure out how to roll out the welcome Mat. How to bring them gently into the fold and show them that there's. And fulfilment on the other side of the religious veil, despite what they might have been told their whole lives. So. I've decided to put together some completely. But hopefully useful thoughts on what we as a community should and shouldn't be doing when we welcome new nonbelievers into their new better world. Some. Do's and don'ts if you will right. And since people lert since. Waive the initiation fee I'm hanging up the phone, okay? Just. Hold onto your hold onto your, but for a second right. but I didn't want to leave you know some people learn better visually so I wanted to set up a visual aid. It's something that I think would be. If if what I'm talking about something that I think would be a good thing. I want you to imagine a donut because doughnuts are welcoming. Everybody loves donuts. If it's something that might be less good. I want you to imagine the Poop Emoji. So. If it's do not, then it's do, but if it's a do then it's a donut. Do do not don't do clear. Demonic to help me I've just got my yarn. Thumb tacks okay. All right great. Let's move on. So and you guys feel free to add to this list. I'm just sort of throwing shit up. Yeah! And we'll start with a donut. So do. All abandon the donut. Do I'm sorry that was done? Do Remember that they are all new to all of this, and just starting the process of untangling their own thoughts, feelings and ideas from the ones that were they were indoctrinated with. Do not expect them to get everything right all at once. Things like you know things are likely to be a jumble for a bit. We can only process so much at a time. Maybe they figured out how. Figured out that they don't believe in God, but haven't get wrapped their head around. How evolution could possibly be real This is a good time to be gentle. Do keep in mind that people these are people with feelings, not computers who need to be reprogrammed. Letting go of deeply internalised dogma is difficult and often traumatic in my opinion. And I don't know if you guys will agree with me on this. I think it's more important to let them know. They're safe than to make sure that they are. They're able to pass a philosophy test Omega like look. It's like you were saying earlier. You know you. And we've said this on another shows to Dan is when you unplug from especially a high stakes religion that. Religion like the one we came from. Your, unplug all that where all the things done for you. All the answers are they're all your positions about political and social and. moral quote, unquote moral issues are made for you. When you unplug all that you have to fucking start over. Yeah, right so you cannot expect people to know the process of evolution via natural selection on day two. You can't expect them to have read. Everything Bertrand Russell wrote on Day three. Just yeah, you pump the brakes. Give people space I mean I. Remember I left religion. And, What's interesting is left religion in part because I had gay friends who had clearly tried not to be gay, and it didn't work and I just couldn't square that with what I've been taught about gay people from the Church. Does that mean I was instantly non homophobic when I left the church. No, it was a fucking process i. I had to go through some shit to actually like cokes. My brain into accepting. Gayness as an okay thing. So, it's A. It's all a process. We're not going to get there. Nobody gets there right away. Yeah, well, and being overly dogmatic and hostile towards those that don't share that dogmatism. That's their thing. Yeah. That's not our thing, right? Yeah yet rather than hitting somebody over the head with with a gap in their knowledge and embarrassing them, and making them feel stupid. Maybe kindly point them in a direction where they might find the information. Right totally totally. UN embarrassing people unnecessarily is one of you know. It's such a bullying tactic. I hate it so much. I think some people deserve to be embarrassed. Often and as you know and loudly, but you know people trying to find their way. You know what I mean like weird, right? That's why we call ourselves uncles right? We're we're. We were supposed to be protecting and kind and generous of spirit, so to speak. Yeah, right? That's fail at that plenty, but that's what we're supposed to be. Shut up Dan. With that in mind, you know because to me, the concept a lot a lot of this. You people leaving religion for the first time. Kind of go through a second adolescence like there's this. Everything's new. They don't understand the world anymore sort of thing so i. Do not is do not be surprised. If, they become a little obnoxious for awhile. And also don't sweat it. I remember having long deep conversations with one friend just out of religion, and then two days later, hearing her proudly parrot my exact words to somebody else as though she invented the concepts. No sense that an attribution might be an order just philosopher, explaining her new genius theory to everyone. There's an interesting sense of sort of know it all nece. That comes with this territory. Any listeners to gotta make. We're remember a couple of weeks ago. There was an article in the Salt Lake Tribune by. Author named Meta Harrison. She recently left the Mormon Church and decided to write an OP. Ed About how lame other ex Mormons can be heard I. Heard you guys do this Tgi. It's horrendous. Stupid it was you know she's talking about how ex? Mormons are justice dogmatic as the members of their former church. It was just an everybody demands that I drink immediately and everybody. Tried drugs and it's like. You're lying. Yes, that's not true. That's a lie. Everything she wrote had that new nonbelievers smell to it. She had clearly sat in on some ex Mormon meet ups and was uncomfortable with how stridently they were now opposed to the former religion. And get processed everything that they had and to make, and she made, and of course they probably made no effort to ease her in, and she was interpreted, interpreted that as them, expecting her to jump straight into the deep end of the pool, which may have actually been the case right, and so that's kind of unfortunate, and I think yeah one. One thing that we need to recognize and you've touched on this in several ways, Dan. As. Atheist elders if that's the thing is that people are going through something very similar to the stages of grief. I was just thinking that right there. This is a huge life transition. It's huge and yeah and so. Unfortunately she's in some stage of grief. She just happened to kind of really publicly. Make an ass out of herself in whatever that stages the she's like I would say. It's similar to cheese denial and they're in anger right right like they're moving through these things she's. She's so yeah like they're at a different stage than she is. And it's. I was for long long time, but many years. Definitely stuck in the anger stay and I was more strident maybe I needed to be with people who are still in or just finding their way out, but it's part of the process, right. and. That's an interesting point because. Yeah if we look at that model that Elizabeth Kubler Ross model of of of grief. Most people make you know by the time they're listening to a podcast or trying to join a group. They've made it through the denial stage, and they are in either anger, or what was the next one, but with bargaining comes somewhere in their. Anger Oh. It's like anger or depression is. I think the the next one along, so we need to be gentle with these people they are. You know they're in a rough moment total catching them in either anger or depression. That's not easy right and I think here's the thing I wanna say. Anger is Doug says he's moved through the anger. I I. Don't know that I entirely have. Right well, you know to conceal though right. You can still be angry, but not be in the anger phase right, and because there's plenty of the makes me angry, but I'm not an angry person I'm not into phase of my processing of religion. That is anger. Yeah I just you can make me mad if you know. Jeff. Sessions R. You know somebody. Pull some bullshit, it'll make me. We're talking about. We're talking about kind of arresting state of anger, rather than what you are having, which is oh, that made me mad because that was a stupid thing for that situational anger talking about Zach kind of the clinical stage of being an angry person for a while and what I want to say about that is. Just just take the mormonism thing for one example is. There's really an insistence in mormonism that you are not entitled to be angry right? There's something wrong with you that it's a failure of some of spiritual or or personal failure of some kind so when you leave it, your taunted by other Mormons. Oh! You're just angry. Oh, you're just saying well. Of course I'm fucking angry. Right was betrayed by everyone in my life. Everybody participated in this lie. So I, if you are in the anger phase then I. Think don't let people tell you that it's okay. You should be angry if there's something wrong with you if you're not angry. That people in your life. Who should have done their due diligence? Your fucking parents in your your elders. Didn't and they reggie into this Balderdash that they should know better by now. The information's out there so. Long Way of saying. You're entitled to Your Anger I. Through my raging phase, which was a long time. Because you know. There were lots of failures of family in addition to just the religion. And they were hard to tease apart, but I've learned to dance with it where you know. The anger used to be so controlling so consuming. I've got control of it. But it's I. Still Find it motivating. It's part of why I press record every week. On this show is to Kinda. Help people through that period, but it's it is a motivating. Feeling. It is a motivate on part of life. Yeah I think so. I think that that's that's fair, and it does lead me to my next do. For those of us who are trying to welcome people back into welcome people into the world of non belief, which is do meet people where they are right. If they say something that you think is silly or agree. Just don't jump down their throat about it or mock them or whatever maybe ask them about it. Take a page from St epistemology and hit him with the old socratic method. Keep, it light, gentle and playful remember that. Many people newly out of religion haven't ever been taught how to think critically. It's totally new to them and we do them a much bigger favor to teach them how to think than what to think. So with that in mind I would say. Do not be dogmatic about what non believers believe. We are not a monolith. The person you're talking to maybe new to Godless, but they're not, but there's still a smart person. Just because they haven't read all the literature that you have doesn't mean that you're right and they're wrong. They may have an interesting perspective and remember that we heathens don't all believe the same things. There are liberal humanists and conservative humanists. There are valid disagreements between non thinking nonbelievers about things like euthanasia or capital punishment. There are atheists who oppose abortion. There are even good thoughtful educated atheists who think that Star Wars prequels are acceptable entertainment dope. Nope, I'm sorry. We. Look as discussing a notion as that is, if we want our tents to be big and our movement to be welcoming. Room for even Prequel, loving monsters, so look, there are well I. Don't know about them, but they're speaking of monsters there are there are terrible atheist there. Oh, yeah, they're terrible. People who are atheists. And there's you know there is a far fringe racist, right? Of Atheism. I should be clear I'm not saying that we should. We should tolerate hate, speech or anything like that I'm not saying. that. Just, because someone's, a new atheist means that you have to accept unacceptable. thinking right so. That's one of the dangers I. Think of people coming out of. Out of? One Orthodoxy and kind of needing the Methadone of another is those those those rabbit holes lie out there. Doug was talking about Cunanan stuff. And so I think it's kind of incumbent on those of us that are perhaps. Not Belligerent violent. anti-democratic. misogynist racist atheist to to help. To offer a place where that kind of rhetoric is not acceptable and and Ho, you know really lean heavily on the humanism and the pluralism that is one of the you know beautiful gifts that skeptical thoughts and critical thought has given the world right. Yeah and. What so what I was trying to say in that? Is that. It becomes actually more powerful. Our message of like anti hate becomes more powerful. If you own if you directed at things like racism anti, you know lgbt thought that sort of thing and don't directed at things that are the. Don't deserve it like you know they have a different. Viewpoint on economics or whatever sure? So that's that's kind of where. It's you know it's something to be teased out, but I think that the more welcoming the Mo- more open minded we can be to you know to them. Just sort of having whatever their opinions are, and you don't have to agree with them by any means right, but but you know I'm I'm just saying. There are nonbelievers who think that you know atheist. I've seen so many atheists in groups yell at some other atheist because they don't buy into the same sort of dogmatic ideas about atheism that they have. I don't think we need to be that. Dog Mattis that classic scene from life of Brian. Applies to atheists as well perhaps Brazo. you know where it's the Judean People's the People's Front of Judea. I think. In Bid Cheer, point uncle, Mark being an atheist is not inherently virtuous. Right right some people you know. People can believe all kinds of terrible things and not believe in God. and. That's you know that is not only plaza, not only pro or possible. It's common. Yeah and I think a lot of us in the people listening to our show and our community. We're atheist because where you know liberal humanists. Right now that we're not liberal humanists, we're not liberal secularists because we're atheists. Like our you know our. I'd like to believe that. Our desire to be kind to be gentle into be accepting an inclusive et cetera. Led us to not believing in these dogmas right? My My empathy led me to atheism right interesting, but he theism alone is not necessarily virtuous, and that's very important to remember. That! You know, and as people fall out of religion, there are all kinds of flavors of atheism. I really there's not, but there are. Right there's all kinds of groups that claim the Moniker of atheism that you can fall into and you can make. You might find community with some of those groups are not good. And so you know we as people who I think, we have a better path. We need to demonstrate the empathy in the kindness and the acceptance that would help people find their way towards this form of atheism or this form of community, and not fall into some of those worse places. Nothing else we need to just demonstrate the kind of kindness that we want people to have built the world that we wanna live in yeah I think there's something called the Golden Rule in some book somewhere and. You know for me, it's also. There are look there's there's atheist groups that have membership, and you sign up, and you're part of it and that that's wonderful for the people who want it. Personally I kind of fight. The idea that there is an orthodoxy right, I don't think there should be I think this is a huge spectrum of beings. Look I I. Get emails. into the show all the time we have, we have people that love Jesus and believe in Jesus who love to listen to our show. And do should we just tell them to fuck off? Because yes, one hundred percent, yes? Yes all of your Jesus lovers out yeah? They find they find meaning in what we're doing. And they find meaning in our show, and I think they're part of our community, totally right, and and they should feel welcome as well so long as as those beliefs are not. Causing harm to other people. And I do want to hit on something that you said Mark, which is the the idea of atheist groups because I don't think that groups necessarily not. A dogma. That groups can be a wonderful thing, and that is one of my dues actually is, and I want to talk to people who are in eighty s groups. Do, remember that New People to atheism to to skeptical thinking. Many of them will be leaving their entire social network behind. They might have lost their whole support structure. They're going to need new friends. People to help out when they're need that sort of thing so. Churches are kind of awesome with that stuff The Mormon church is like being in the Goddamn mafia when it comes to like how they help each other. And, it's something that we can be good at too. So I think atheist groups should always be compiling resources now. A lot of these groups are way ahead of me on this stuff but I just wanted to list a few things anyway just because I. Think I i. want us to be thinking in these terms. Have a list of places where people can meet other people with similar interests, because look as great as your group may be not everyone is going to find a home. They're so how wonderful that would be then if we when someone I reaches out. Not You're not only welcome them to your group. You can also guide them to other groups where they can be their authentic selves and Felix accepted. I also think that it would be great for groups to have a Handy Dandy list of local therapists, doctors dentists. Who are non-belief friendly. because. That's not always an easy thing to find. Also make it clear that you're there for each other help. Each Other move that sort of thing. This is tricky stuff. You know what I mean when people lose their their support network. It's important for us to be there to help them out with that. Yeah, we do. US is a little group of unto ourselves. We do kind of. An an orphans thanksgiving. That's really important because. If you lose family when you lose your religion, which happens very frequently Suddenly you find yourself alone. In moments that are very challenging. And so. Do Dumb stuff like that have have. Fourth of July Events Pie here we have pie and beer beer day, which is coming right up. Yeah, it is yeah. So Yeah, look, this isn't meant to be a compendium of definitive ways to make sure everybody who leaves religion stays out and becomes a great ally in our righteous fight for a secular, society. I just want to make sure we're having the conversation. It's important that we give this concept. Some real conscious thought, because yeah, the trends are in our favor, but in order for those trends to be of use to our movement, and I would suggest society. We need to make sure that. When someone exits religion, they don't take one look at us and go running to another nutball belief system, right or feel abused or feel abused or feel. Yeah, downtrodden, yeah! Because because we weren't meeting them where they needed us to meet them right. And we need to make it clear that there's joy and fun and kindness on our side of the fence that it isn't just a life of grumpy angry misery the way we're portrayed in the churches in the media. Because look. We're well on our way to a much better society. If we can keep the numbers flow in the way, they currently are doesn't look like that at the moment, but yes, the numbers are trending in our favor right, and eventually we might be able to undo the damage that our current president is doing and his worst. Madman surround him right the judiciary that they're installing currently. So I think we can rebuild the now dilapidated wall of separation between Church and state, we can relearn as a society how to trust the expertise of science regardless of political affiliation. But in order to do that, we need the numbers. We need people to join our fight. And people are skittish, scared little balls of emotion so as much as we wish that we were all guided by the best parts of our logical intellect. We're. Mostly not. We're slaves to our feelings, and that means that it's incumbent on each of us who have learned to live outside of religion to guide and help an embrace those who are just dipping a first tentative toe into the beautiful ocean of non belief. Yeah, and I would this is funny thing coming from a podcast, but I think of real trick to is talk less listen more. Right. Way Yeah. That may not be our ARGH but. For All y'all that's a great thing for you. Guys, 'cause because listen if we aren't waiting with open arms, there are thousand preachers and peddlers that are. So. Get out there, and and you know cove would. Embrace, somehow find a way to hug. New Atheist and make them feel right. Kindness and empathy go a long way further than anger and rage, and once you've given them that hug. Give them the link to our Patriot because that's exactly how this shit works. All right thanks, Dan, that was that was very kind. It's not really brand, but will allow it. Good, let's move on before the catches. Will friends. That's it for this week's show. Hey, we'd love to hear from you if you have anything to say about you know. Nazi continents please send an email at how to how to heretic dot, com, or if you WANNA, talk about Nazi incontinence deal. Leave voicemail about it at nine. Oh, three, eight, two, which is nine, hundred, eighty, four, six, hundred, ninety six. On twitter! How. And thanks as always to are awesome, incredible payments. 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Episode 369 - Swivel Unrest

Atheist Nomads

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Episode 369 - Swivel Unrest

"Atheist nomads episode three, sixty, nine when the state won't take a stand. Depend on civil unrest. PODCAST you're about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who has please be advised. Welcome to another episode of theus nomads. I am destined and joining me as Lauren. Pretty good tonight. WHOA. That's crazy. MAZING. What good panic attack do. You had one today. Oh. Yeah. That whole time I was out in the garage earlier polishing rock. That was because I was like freaking out. Oh No. Okay. I love. You Babe two days in a row. That sucks Yup but they come in they come in pairs. Threes. Pax? Anyway. I'm sure it's over but we went camping again. Yes we did. It was mostly to well one we wanted another. Timeout with the trailer at yeah and also It got really smoky here. So we were trying to escape the smoke and found. That one hundred and fifty miles to the north. The air quality was pretty decent. Yeah. If you look at where all that smoke from California fires going, it's going straight. Well. Northeast. Yeah right to Idaho. We got swamped by some of it. And I was coughing a lot in clearing my throat and having a hard time and so we we we booked it out of here and found a place that also includes lots of rock counting. So I was happy. and. Fishing, which, of course, tip we didn't even get. Yeah, a by we're a terrible at fishing. Fun. No it's mostly the morning's chaos and mornings or when the best fishing is. Yes. But with a two year, old mornings are kind of chaotic. Yeah, yeah. But in the news we have. Idaho special legislative session. Special So as you may recall about six weeks ago or so. A group of far right-wing radical. Members of the state legislature who? Unrelated to. Not directly related to this. Okay. Really completely related to this have more recently been identified to be members or at least affiliated with or at least like on facebook. anti-government militia groups done one quarter of the Idaho House of Representatives. Yeah basically the Idaho panhandle. Contingent. there. Yeah. They're all through percenters. Three percenters. Twenty five percents the legislature. So that's a little skewed. Yeah. Yeah. And of course are listening to governor. So there's there's that. They had that little thing with Ammon Bundy and again group, and they met to call together a special session to impeach the governor. For. Making US wear masks not even making us wear masks for. Stay at home orders and not allowing all bars to be open and having any restrictions whatsoever. The governor did call a special session. Under Idaho State. The Idaho state constitutions special sessions can only be called by the governor and then can only cover the issues of the governor called the special legislation session for right. It's a one topic deal. You don't get to have a whole new. Legislative session. Great. So the topic's available for the session are. To handle this fall's election. And how to handle liability for schools and? Businesses Related Dacoven. Yeah, those are the questions. The governor. Asked the legislature to figure these out. So, the first day of the legislative session. Started off with. A group of. Armed protesters. Armed. Yes on people with guns breaking their way into the. Idaho state capital forcing their way into the auditorium. Smashing a window in the process. This is an armed mob storming the state capital during a legislative session. Pretty much everything that you could include in treason besides actually shooting. A legislator, if there was a scenario where. Cops shooting someone make sense. It's win. It's an armed mob trying to force their way into a legislative meeting. And I get it. If you're brandishing weapons at a second amendment rally, I do not understand why you have your weapons out. During this 'cause, it's an open carry state the up. That's a good way to lose your open carry status right there. Yeah. Well, unless. A quarter of the legislature. Wants to shut want to overthrow the government anyway. No, that's true. So So this this group led by Ammon Bundy actually several groups, one of which was led by Ammon Bundy Were shouting. Throughout the opening of the session. They heckled the rule for attending and the gallery. Is. You must be silent. They were also requiring that everybody. Follow social distancing, and they were not wanting an audience. They had a section setup for the media where everybody was wearing masks. And they wanted to keep the auditorium. Or the the the viewing gallery available for members of the legislature who needed more space. And instead this group crowded in. They. Then broke out into committees. And one of the committees. This group forced their way in. Crowding enough that they had to relocate. To the Lincoln Auditorium I mean, this is just Pure chaos, pure treasonous chaos. They get to the Lincoln Auditorium and they continue to crowd. Particularly the. Legislators who were wearing masks. which should have been all of them. One of whom Felt unsafe and. Left. Yeah if you're not. GonNa get shot you're GONNA get Cova. Yup. So Up to this point there have been no arrests up to this point in the story there had been no arrests. The. Boise state or the city of Boise. Police. Did respond in riot. Gear. Which? That is a case where right here make sense armed mob breaks into the capital send cops in riot gear. I am totally behind that. Yeah. That's what team stuff. Like I am all for. Cutting down police funding and demilitarizing the police. But at the point that you have armed mobs, yeah. There should be some cops that can handle that. Yeah. Until we can get and be armed mobs until we can get to a place in our country where we don't have armed mobs breaking into a legislative session. And threatening people. Yeah. When we can get to that point where that doesn't happen. Yes. Then we can really scale that down. Because you can't get the National Guard there. Fast enough. No. Okay so Eventually. They end for the day. And bundy. Refuses. To. Leave. Lice petulant child asked to leave and he refuses to get out of his chair. Do you remember what do you know what his excuse was for that I haven't seen one? I can. I was wondering about media having access. So you sessions and civilians should have access to these sessions as much as any media. But Like to me that doesn't really make sense because the media is there to report to the citizenry. Yeah. But Anyway, he sat down wouldn't move. To the point where he wouldn't stand up if when the police like tried to move him had to. They started to try and physically carry him out. He's not exactly a small lad nope. So they just. Zip tied to Swivel Chair and. Wheeled out. So this is by the time it's the Idaho state police have taken over. Wearing masks get all wearing masks yep. They're wearing masks and they're. Super Wide Brim State trooper hats. And they wheeled him. All the way. Through the Capitol building. Down the ramps I'd say it's a walk of shame on the sidewalk boring perp walk ever across the street. Don't another sidewalk. And then finally. Four of them had to pick him up out of the chair to carry him into the car. Because he played dead. Yeah. Like a petulant child he went limp. Such a deck. So that was Tuesday. Yeah. So, he gets arrested gets charged with trespassing and resisting arrest. which okay. A lot of times resisting arrest charges are bullshit. This is not one of those times. Yeah. When you try to pull a toddler move, please try and take you to the car. It's that's resisting. Yeah. and. So. They they do bail or he gets released I don't know that part of the story. So. Today, they're meeting the freedom foundation bail them. So they met again. He showed up again. He refused to leave again Oh. Yeah. He was trespassed. State capitol. Again, this time he actually got up and walked. And then. was issued a no trespass order. Barring him from the premises for the next year. It's Ammon Bundy. It should be lifetime. And he's Alvin charged with a misdemeanor. Yeah, there should be multiple misdemeanors, wh- and what people are suspected is going to happen is he bailed out of that or is going to bail out of that and he will be back in order to get the felony in order to rile up since. He's playing a martyr here. And at some point you're like, well, we don't want to give them the power of martyrdom but the other point if he was made a martyr two, three, four years ago, this wouldn't be happening now. Take him off the street make him a martyr I, don't care. People will forget who he is within a year. The bundy. Ranch, standoff. That was. What twenty twelve? Yeah. Longtime ago. Armed standoff between police and the Bundy family and some of their friends Amad Bundy was one of them. Armed standoff with federal agents. There White. So you know they survived. So standoff continued for about a month before. Everybody stood down. He should have been arrested. And taken to prison then. Get. Not just jail prison. Didn't happen. So what he do next he And a group of cronies. Takeover. Of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. occupied a federal installation destroyed. American Indian artifacts. destroyed. Government property. He did get arrested without one. And then a jury in Portland acquitted him. That was such bullshit I cannot believe I still I still get read. Because okay. So just put you know little spin on it. The protests that we were having some kids graffiti the Capitol building that was determined to be over a thousand dollars worth of damage to the building they both got felonies. This guy literally tore apart and refuge building tore up the plumbing. Shit everywhere. And he got nothing right he was acquitted yet. It. Fast forward a couple more years here he is again. Terrorizing the. Governor. Locally to his house. The Head of the Idaho Department of Health. And this is people's homes. Like he's a menace. In. All practicality. He should have been arrested. For Insurrection? Years ago and said because that's what happened with Malheur National Wildlife Refuge was the charges ended up being so watered down. that. They didn't actually fit. Prosecutor really screwed up on that they. I don't know what the hell they were thinking. They were trying to make it not not. Let it become a political thing when. Rebellion, against the government is a political thing. It it just is. There's no way around it. So yeah, he's GonNa keep going. He's going to keep pulling these stunts until he's in prison for life or dead. and. The longer he's allowed to continue the more followers he's going to get. Yeah this is not something you want the obviously this isn't something you WanNa let Fester. He's just GONNA keep getting more bold until someone's dead yeah. which he's, I think he's trying to do himself and he's trying to get shot. It would make so much of a hero. Back when they left the. Malheur Wildlife Refuge. He was engaged in a shootout with the COPS. One of his. Is Call for help. He wants the government overthrown. He wants to be the martyr of a revolution. Yeah. Yeah. That's cute. Not Going to happen. We have enough problems. All right. Well, Texas certainly does and. I'm not trying to make light of the hurricane. Major major hurricane. That as of recording is. About to hit the Texas Louisiana border. So if you are affected by that. You have our sympathies and I hope you say yeah because I mean it as big as this thing's going to be. There's no, you kinda you know you shouldn't live on the beach well, doesn't matter when you're thirty miles inland. Don't expect to get hit by a hurricane. In North Texas though. The North Texas poison centre region in particular. Has dealt with. Forty six cases. In August. As of August, twenty four. Of People. Drinking Bleach. Now is that back again? Yup. Is it the autism thing noses covid? My God. Now. I have to admit I was tempted to Chug some hand sanitizer the other day. When I accidently inhaled a fly in vault toilet. That was disgusting. Yes. It would have made me throw up. BEC- and that's by design because hand sanitizer is denatured to make you gag and throw up so awful so that you won't drink it because we don't want. You to be able to buy alcohol. That, you could drink. I don't get it. Okay. So the children can't swallow it to a point where they poison themselves. They will throw it up. Okay. Yeah. It's not. It's not for the reasonable adult except there have been cases with. Hand sanitizer that have. Methanol in it. That has poisoned children. Yes. Who have drank it because we got some bad hand in hand sanitizer out there. From. China China. It should all be ethanol and then the denaturing crap which again. It's sixty sixty percent alcohol by volume minimum to be effective. Kids. Aren't going to be drinking it. Kids will drink whatever the heck they can. They'll put whatever they can in their mouths right but. denaturing it to make it better if it sixty percent alcohol by volume that is going to burn like Hell Yeah I agree. I bet is probably somebody who owns a denatured plant who? Is Like Oh you know you really need this in their. Kids might chug it. Man. Bay Way Teens, but you would have been doing that in that case to induce vomiting right so gross yes k. this is people drinking bleach to try to prevent the spread of covid nineteen. Gap Now that way. Sorry. Strips your intestines, Yep. Forty six cases in north Texas alone that involved calls to or alerts being sent to the poison centre. I feel so sorry for poison control. They're like really. This is not what we're here for. Ring Ring high pro poison control. I. Fair. My insides hurt. You do drink bleach. I, like that. What did you do? These smack him with the newspaper. Cova nineteen is serious drinking bleach. Won't help you ask I think is the lazy person's way out they they're thinking. Oh this is something easy to do. Because nobody can stand six months of not knowing. So, the FDA warning on. Drinking chlorine? Dioxide. Ak Bleach. Is that it can lead to severe vomiting severe diarrhea life threatening low blood pressure caused by hydration and acute liver failure. So what's worse? If, the prevention can kill you. And I think if you're drinking enough bleach to actually have any kind of. Quote unquote effect. It's probably going to be worse for you than Covid Yeah. That's just sad. These little pocket communities where facebook groups are like, Hey, this is the thing. Okay. Here's what's even more crazy. They've had. Only. They seventy one percent in cases involving bleach. What? Seventy one percent cases the Texas poison center network. As only seen a seventy, one percent increase in cases involving consuming bleach. Okay. It hasn't even double the amount of people who drink bleach. What I would like to see on this one. Is. Is this. Now Dole. TES Drinking Bleach and worthy earlier cases all children. I don't know I'm I'M Confused. As why you surprise that is only seventy one percent increase seems like a lot. Then out of the forty six cases so far that they normally would have had. Twenty. Thirty. Twenty or thirty what cases out of the seventy-one cases they only twenty or thirty note they've had forty six cases this month k they are seeing a seventy one percent increase in cases involving drinking bleach over normal. Okay. which would mean out of that forty, six cases about thirty would be the normal rate of people drinking bleach. Or being Oh yeah. Okay. which happens when little kids get it. Oh So. It sounds like this is adults now drinking bleach. Math is hard. That was not clear. Okay. Got It. Yeah. Yeah, seventy one percent increase in bleach products cases and sixty three percent involving other household cleaners. Don't drink them. We need to bring back the What was the little green sticker with the ICKY face on Mr Eric. Mr. Mr Yuck. Yuck I remember those. To make a effective. Disinfecting solution. You could do that with four teaspoons of bleach in one quart. Of Water. Okay And even that you should not drink. nope. Because, you don't want to kill the good bacteria in your gut. Like I ripped the lining for a pop up camper, we have to use bleach in our water tank and water system to clean it. At the start of each year. And you dilute it about as far as you can still be effective and then you flush the whole system again. And then you fill it up to which point the amount left in there wouldn't be higher than. Common City drinking water. Yeah. Because the amount to get down to be safe is like. Almost. Nothing. Mr Yuck why UK. Mr. Yuck means no. Oh. My Gosh. She can get a Mr Yuck mask. I want is a calendar, a twenty twenty calendar with a Mr. Yuck sticker just stuck on the front of it. Do. Not Open. A. Florida judge. HAS GRANTED A Temporary injunction on behalf of the Florida Education Association. Against the Florida Education Commissioners. Executive Order requiring all schools to reopen. That order. Required, all schools to reopen at full capacity in August? Period. The judge ruled that quote. The order is unconstitutional to the extent. It arbitrarily disregard safety denies. Local school board decisions. Art Denies Local School Board's decision making with respect to reopening brick and mortar schools and conditions funding on an approved reopening plan with start date in August. In other words. You have to have a plan. And get it approved without any time to create a plan and get it approved. which would mean the goal is. Your plan is. Where reopening Yep. Even in places that are online only are still sending are still getting covert cases. I don't even know how that happened how. But it's happened. Teachers I guess. I. Don't know I. Then, the ones that are half open and half. Online. Yeah. No, there's there's lot cova going on with that. It's been a week it's and and again I want to stress that. For. pariser frustrated with this I get. Whichever side of it, you're on I. Get it. There are no good answers here. what this ruling Rule goes to show is that while there are no good answers. What Florida had was really really bad one. Yeah. Florida. Florida Idaho hand-in-hand. Like, this isn't any like calling balls and strikes. This is just they're just calling the ones that are clear. Definite. Absolute strikes hours. Yeah. That was a terrible idea. If it's a full-on swinging amiss, we're going to call that one. Yeah. Because Yeah And yet, there's cases there are going to be cases. Schools are Petri dish is. And incredibly effective vectors for spreading disease. Education is important. Socialization is. Important. Life difficult parents to work is important. Yeah. Sucks. You know if we had had gone with the approach of. Countries that are reopening much better that would have been a complete. Shutdown of everything for one month crossed the entire country. And then creating the infrastructure to do. Tons and tons of testing and contact tracing. How is New Zealand doing these days They're seeing an increase in cases. Yeah. They went I think three months without any. Yeah. And Awesome. They now have cases popping up they're thinking is coming in on frozen food from China that sucks. Yet, that really SOx Yup. It's going to be fascinating to see what? The history books say. Yeah. The world that are child is going to have to grow up in is Get a look dystopia. We. We only know what we know so far. which seems to be we only know what? Doesn't really seem to work. Yeah. But. We do have enough evidence from places like New Zealand and. South Korea. And Singapore. And Thailand and Vietnam. that. Lots of testing. Contact tracing. Targeted quarantines. In making sure that people's basic needs are met. So they don't have financial incentives forcing them. To go to work. Is What helps. Yeah. That's the only thing that seems to be working. But you have to have it under control I for that to start. And that ship sailed here. Maybe before we even knew. Corona virus was. Before we knew it had a name Yep. Yep Pub. Probably. So among the religious groups to have gotten. A. paycheck. Protection Program Funds. Was Jim Baker. televangelism ministry. Course gotta pay those phone. People. One point seven million dollars is what he got. All Shit. He is. In the middle of a lawsuit over one of his guests talking about. A fake covid Nineteen Cure. Yet stroke in May. And I it was six, six, hundred and fifty thousand to one. Point seven, million dollars. We don't know how much exactly it was because those numbers haven't been released just ranges. But. They. Had To. Certify in the application that they weren't engaged in any activity that was illegal under federal state or local law. Including snake oil sales. People looking at. Jim Baker. Know that he's gotten in trouble for fraud. Or been really close to fraud. Or actively involved in fraud. A Lot. This is bread and butter. And Having Someone on his program. Trying to sell fake cures. Is Fraud. Yes. That is illegal. So, he may end up losing that money. Good. Should never gotten in the first place. Unfortunately, they didn't do any vetting beforehand. It was all honor system that. Guess. WHO's not honorable. Televangelists. The criminals. The fraudsters. Drifters. Nice. Though. The term they use to describe Steve Bannon and his co conspirators on opening argument. I. Arguments I like that. A federal judge. Barbara. Of the western district of Washington. As, put an injunction against Betsy Devos's latest rules. How Yep. So the cares act had A. Vision. To allow federal aid to go to private schools based on the number of disadvantaged students they enroll. Okay. This because there notoriously anti disadvantaged children no, no this is a it's actually a common thing apparently for. During Times of economic difficulty. For, PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO GET Some extra money to cover kids whose parents don't have the money to actually support them going to those schools. To keep them from kicking out all the poor kids. Okay. Now. Private. Schools. And religious private schools. Are In generally. especially. Until recently two separate categories. We're used to be private schools were one thing church schools were different thing. Yeah. And Devos is trying to change the rules to. Know it's based on total number of students. More money for the bigger private schools no matter what. Yeah. All coming from the education department budget. That's our money. Yep. To give money to. Religious schools. based. On the number of doctors kids they have. which is a lot these days a lot of people pull their kids out of public school systems. Heck. My the the school I grew up going to had not the boarding school the the local on grants pass had Actually the the boarding school the. I'd say about half of the kids were from. What most people would describe as upper middle class to upper class families half half wow that is. The rest of the to do the rest of US worked in the mill. Yep. and. At the junior academy. Who's covered kindergarten through tenth grade. I went to from third grade through tenth grade had on you know generally there'd be. Maybe ten percent of the student body were non adventists families. Who all had. Almost all had Dr. As a title. Yeah. Those were the ones whose parents would come and pick them up in lexuses. Yeah. Right I mean, every school has those people. So, this this program would. Include those kids in it. The kids whose parents are still paying full tuition. Not The kids who are going on scholarships or with some kind of. Financial aid where the school charges them a small amount of the tuition. Even that I think is bullshit because no federal education money should be going to private schools at all. Personally I don't think private schools should even exist. there. Always exist. Wither legal or not. But in this case yeah definitely. No federal money we that to educate the people who can't afford it. So anyway, the the ruling. Covered the no, this is. A very clear law. And the. Education. Department regulations are also very clear and she is trying to do something different than what is very clearly written. She do that Congress sets funding rules. It's up to the executive department to spend that money as determined by Congress I I'm actually surprised that that hasn't gone through something like that hasn't gone through. They've tried they've been bills introduced I'm sure. Yeah. Still hasn't that one hasn't changed yet. jury follow junior. has now resigned. Okay. Finally. Well. Some more came up in the news. Oh okay. So first off I want up. Provide the extra detail of the woman. who also had her pants open in the picture with him? whose arm he had around was his wife's assistant. Okay. Their pool boy. Went to the media. To talk about the. Decade. Of Him fucking Mrs Falwell. While Mr Falwell watched. Okay Kind of their business. Right before that though. Jerry Falwell. went to the media himself. To talk about. The affair that his wife had. Without any. Involvement of his with the pool boy. Well, that's the thing about cuckolding is you're not involved. Purposely not. involved. Plus. Making you involved and by saying not involved he didn't. He didn't know about it just that. He wasn't involved in it. At least not physically involved in. Yeah. Yeah. If it wasn't for the fact that this guy is you know head of this, liberty? University and Right, and let's get in money for being you know pure richest soul. I say, that's what gets them off. Okay. Oh. Yeah. Don't. Him. Being on a party hooking up with his wife's assistant. Getting drunk she probably knew about it. While his wife is. Bucking the pool boy. That's a classic days of our lives if they were working at say. Harvard University. or UC. Berkeley. I don't think anybody would care. No it wouldn't be newsworthy not raise the fact that he's head of a Christian University. The prohibits alcohol drinking. Any sex outside of marriage. Any homosexual activity and would describe. Him and another man being in the same room while one of them is having sex with his wife probably would say that's kind of gay. That's not getting what that is, but that's probably would be what liberty would call it. Hey, he's not going to liberty. Right, he's not a student of liberty. He's allowed to do whatever the hell. He wants a paralegal all have to agree and administrators. All have to agree to live by that same code of conduct that saw. Yeah. Okay. So he got busted Zaia. and. Initially. It was. Reports were leaked that he had had resigned. Then he came out and said, no, no, no, those were false. Even those reports were crowder corroborated by three independent sources. who had all seen the letter they hadn't told him No I didn't I haven't resigned what? No. You guys are kicking me out. Okay. Yeah. I'll sign the letter then he Went ahead and yes, he was resigning and then the university announced that they had accepted his resignation. Brilliant Yeah if if. If you WANNA know who to look for for WHO's Doing something that they would condemn. Look for the people. Okay. That's an obvious one. If you WANNA see who has a problem Sir who's doing something look for what they're condemning Yeah and if it's a conservative Republican or Conservative Christian which are one in the same. That's WHO's doing it. And condemning it. It's a weird guilt thing. Yeah. Yup. Now to add to it. He. Had that position at university because his dad founded it? Yeah. Oh, God. He's yeah. He's like the stereotypical. Son, who just waste all of his dad's money and all of US dads power on getting off and give him rich. And, hobnobbing with with the president. Yeah. So of course because they probably had the same nanny or something I mean. There's all sorts of stuff that. The trump is old enough to be his dad. So I guess that doesn't quite work but you know what I'm media. And Sorry trumped up charges just that's hilarious. Richard Spencer. Who We talked about in a while on the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. he he came to prominence for being. Punishable. Yeah. That's really what I started with was for being punishable. did he get EG or pie thrown at him at some point? Was that somebody else I think he's the one that got punched. He's started. Okay. Yeah. 'cause we were all making jokes about the you know punchy them. You're all like, no you shouldn't say punching Nazis, Anti Nazis, and. He was the Nazi who got punched so good. So the punishable Nazi. He he was one of the key figureheads, one of the leaders of the movement. He. Was One of the leading organizers of the United Rally. You know that. White supremacist rally that trump said had good people on both sides. That left some protesters against their rally dead. After a white supremacist, drove a car through the protesters. thous bad. Yeah. This is the Richard Spencer we're talking about. He wrote. Quote. The MAGA. Slash outright movement is over I made mistakes. Trump is an obvious disaster but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we are now able to perceive and it needs to end. So, be patient. We'll have another day in the sun we need to recover and return it a new form. He also said that he will never flip his on his principles. Except for. Me and said. And he endorsed Joe Biden for president. Okay. That's one of those endorsements leaves a bad taste in your mouth the Biden campaign has. Declined, the endorsement that's funny 'cause it's a purely in symbolic thing, you look I I I support you and they're like. We don't even want you to say that don't even look at US please. He's that bad and that's the sound of rats trying to get off the ship I believe. He wrote on his Biden for president sticker. I'm on team Joe Richard Spencer quote liberals are clearly more competent. In Quote Really. Really. Even has been insulting tone to it. That's just like. Sarcastic. Almost. I don't like the sky. So one of the things I is and yes, liberals are clearly more competent. One of the things I think it is worth. That's not true. Necessarily remembering as the alright was largely made up of by Bernie Bros... It won't admit that but. A lot of them were. The reason why they're all. And not just right. Is because. that a different view on things a lot of or most of them were white supremacists. Eventually. They were all white supremacists. But they didn't necessarily follow all of the right wing propaganda a lot of people in the outright movement or atheists or otherwise religious. It was very much a movement of. Like this weird secular racist thing. that. Politically they didn't really care about left or right. It's just they weren't welcome on the left an thought trump. was promising. and. They are now seeing. No He's just an. Idiot. He's the worst of the worst. And US helped get him elected. Thanks yeah, and. No I feel for the. Mostly, men mostly guys who got into the outright in the early days thinking that this was before it was really labeled the outright thinking that they were standing up for a really good principle. Down with the DNC for blocking the obvious candidate that kind of thing. But then he got. Got Crazy got racist misogynist and these people were left being associated with the group that they weren't. They didn't feel like they were a part of. But. They had already said some stuff that made them a part of the group. So it's like Oh man. UNDO BUTTON UNDO So, I feel for those ones I feel for those guys. It's it's never too late to apologize and move on. Say I said and did something stupid. How can I help? So. Did something stupid a good place to start is stopped being a racist asshole. Understand. Your racist subconscious racial. And shoes and and then actively try to keep those in check. Yes. And for a Genuinely Happy Story. Africa has now been declared free of wild poliovirus. That's awesome. So that's awesome yeah. That leaves Syria. which only have to end a civil war there. To get rid of that one we think are USA's bad that. God Damn. Now. Four years ago. It was down to just Nigeria. One Country and. The reason why? Continued to be a problem in Nigeria. was. Boko Haram. Yeah it was a active. Islamic. Insurgency. And civil war in the country. That specifically targeted vaccination workers and by specifically targeted I mean murdered. Yeah. If you went to northern Nigeria to give vaccines, you would be killed. But there. Okay now. It has taken a lot of work. But they. Continued. To slowly and quietly work on expanding the program. and. Four years ago. They had the last case of. Last recorded case of wild poliovirus mile. That's awesome and it took four years. Of No Wild Poliovirus To declare eradicated. That's so awesome. Now, the reason why keep using the term wild poliovirus yeah there are several. Current. Vaccine Polio virus outbreaks. In Nigeria, how bad are those? Not. Bad. Okay. because. Four polio in name only kind of thing or is it still like crippling people? It's not crippling people. Okay. Wild Poliovirus Causes Permanent Disability and a large in-depth and quite a lot of people. The numbers from Nineteen ninety-five was killing. Nineteen ninety-six paralyzing seventy five thousand children across Africa that year low. Oh my gosh. Yeah. The. Polio vaccine. In. Countries where it's eradicated. Is Inactive because you only need to vaccinate the children that are getting it. And that's good. Lifelong vaccination. You're fine for where it still endemic the type of vaccine they use is A. is a live. Weakened strain of the virus. That is intended to infect the population. Okay. So you vaccinate. All of the four year olds. and. They will poop and contaminate the city's water supply. And it will spread to everybody else just like wild poliovirus would and it will in the process end up vaccinating everyone in the population with against polio with a much lighter much lighter. Case okay. So kind of like you get a cold instead of. Right. Crazy ANTIBAC- people when when they say you know that. That there that the vaccines caused diseases they're not wrong. In in some of the cases in this, in this case, the cases they. Are Wrong okay. It's the ones who are borderline. Like I heard that kind of thing, the guy heard vaccines can spread the disease that's by design. That's an it's a weakened. Jarring yeah. They to forget to mention that part. Yeah. Because there are there are live virus. Vaccines. There's not a lot. But the virus ones are sometimes necessary to cause sufficient immunity. Yet. He really only want to go through at once staff the smallpox vaccine. would. Make People's arms hurt for weeks. And give people moderately high fevers. And some blisters you only knew it worked if they had those symptoms. If they didn't have to try again. Because the smallpox vaccine. Especially in the Before the sixties was a live cowpox infection. Polio, vaccination in these cases is very similar. It's drops under the tongue of live virus to infect the population so that nobody gets the real thing. But they're not doing that anymore in Africa they're going to be able to stop those programs now and move to standard vaccines sweet. That's awesome. What's crazy is were. So close India has been declared eradicated. That took a lot that was a big one. Syria is what's left once it's declared eradicated from Syria it will have been a radical did from the world and polio vaccination will be able to stop. It is in a radical. program. It was supposed to be done in two thousand. With measles following. So twenty years ago I wasn't joking no, you weren't. There was supposed to be wrapped up twenty years ago we were supposed to be finishing up radicalizing measles now. Not Saying, it pop up again not having new outbreaks and becoming endemic in countries where to previously been eradicated. Yeah. and. The amazing thing is if it doesn't have. Reservoirs in. Animals. We can ARATU Kate it it can be gone and those vaccination programs can end. And then you won't have to vaccinate YEP be great. Autism is still be around but I. Won't have to vaccinate if you don't want the Mr. Great let's finish finish getting it to everybody and eliminate eradicate those those viruses, and then we can stop doing Amar Vaccines. For lucky because once it's done with now once polio is done the official global virus replication target becomes measles. It hasn't become that yet. So that wraps up the news. All right. I have been doing a terrible job of keeping up with feedback. Don't think we have anything, but we do have a second submission. For the contest. All right. And for the first submission, we got if the With what we've been seeing from the Republican convention. You might be onto something Yep. It was definitely one of those laugh out loud and then kind of chuckle yourself and then kind of like Oh God. Yeah, anyway. So Keep this open until we have at least enough entries to give out the books. Yeah. We have enough books. Keep, submitting entries, who isn't it to start calling people out? 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Episode 320: Slab City (Entry 1170.IS3501)

Omnibus! With Ken Jennings and John Roderick

1:12:39 hr | 2 months ago

Episode 320: Slab City (Entry 1170.IS3501)

"This nothing we are jennings and john rodrick. We speak to you from our present which we can only assume as your distant past the turbulent time that was the early twenty first century peering the great cataclysm that will surely befall our civilization. We began this monumental reference of strange obscure human knowledge. These recordings represent our attempt to compile and preserve wonders esoterica. That would otherwise be lost. So whether you're listening from an advanced civilization or have just. Reinvented the technology to decrypt our transmissions. This is our legacy to you. This is our time capsule. This is the paired you have access entry. One one seven zero dot s three five zero one certificate number three three zero four slab city. It has been one year. That you and i have been doing this canadian adventure. It's crazy to think just one year. How many people when they first started watching us. I heard if you're going to do this. Living off the grid they trolled us big time data. This said it'd been last week. Yeah a lot of people did a lot of people said that are year isn't gonna standing boom. You said that with a lot of panache labs city. What's the correct way to say slab city just exactly like that. I want to fit in there. But i don't know what it is sounded like you were about to draw your gun. Actually sleigh city he. I think you can as being someone who's fairly on the grid. I'm extremely on the grid on grid on a scale of one to one hundred I mean if. I'm looking at my phone like thirty times an hour pretty on grid. That's how much more on the grid could be. You have a smart thermostat to not not to violate your infosec. Nobody tryin hack ken. I don't have a smart doorbell so you can't you. There's cameras you can hack. But they could turn your heat up. Turn it off. That's the worst thing you could do. Poop i've now given the future power put on a sweater and i'm not happy about it. Have you ever had any desire to live off the grid. Are you compelled by those stories. Like into the wild or pulse. I don't even understand it. I mean i understand the desire to be surrounded by maybe a beautiful wilderness setting and solitude. But you know there's ways to get that at a everything from a nice day spa to a to a shabby motel without going What a survivalist. But are you afraid that the that are that are modern technology is a kind of tenuous foothold and that it could all go away as a result of some collapse of civilization. Grateful for every hour you spent with a hot shower and fast wi- with the lights on. Yeah right. I mean nobody's gonna be like man. I'm so glad. I was like i was wandering around Alaska because it really prepared me for the zombies for for when i actually had to do it do you have a. Do you have any in your in the back of your mind. Any any What contingency plan for like what happens if the lights go out and don't come back on no like. I'm really hoping that they stay on first of all that would be ideal is if civilization didn't end right at some point it's gonna end and my plan is just to be at the epicenter of that so i don't have to worry about the rebel. Oh you're someone that wants the nuke to land on his head. Yeah yeah oh yeah. I mean it doesn't have to. Yeah on my head would be fine a few feet to the left or right you're gonna slim pickens it. What would you want to be on top of the. What's the name of the guy that slim pickens the unknown russian that he probably lands on. We don't even what. What do you think the appeal is of people who want to go off the grid you really. You think it's something about about coming calamity. I just assumed they felt the technology was alienating. Or i mean really. It's mental illness. But how does it manifest all of the different ways. I mean there are people that feel like like technology. Is the tin foil. Hats think that five g is giving them corona virus. There are the people that are more philosophical and less bonkers who feel like modern. It's modern technology has taken away their humanity. And i agree one hundred percent with that but i feel like the remedies would be more like you. Don't go play a stratego with your kid. Lavar phone less. Yeah not like move to. The sierra nevada there are people that feel like modern technology and i think this is fairly commonplace comes with obligations that end up being shackles on once freedom. So that if you're living in a society you're obligated to also have insurance on your car and you're obligated also i mean you're obligated to pay your bills and pay bills and taxes that you so. This is a libertarian argument. Against just this kind of casual tyranny that you and i don't even think about because we're actually not weirdoes and we're good citizens. Yeah but the but the kind of I mean to pay your taxes is something that that is actually. I find hard to argue with but but to be obligated to pay insurance. That isn't that isn't just liability. But is you know to be to be caught in a web where in order to maintain your good citizenship. You have to be you have to maintain for instance a credit rating and a credit rating Sort of You become beholden to systems of banking and credit. Your your. i didn't vote for those systems. John yeah that's right and those systems tend to be corrosive. You can fall out the bottom end of it for reasons that feel beyond your control. A divorce Loss of a job. illness All of a sudden. You've got you've got Alimony and child support payments that You're not able to meet and then you're in dutch. And then you lose your credit and then you can't get or you're a felon the sensory specific country western song. Yeah it is. It is but it's it's it's specific but also kind of generally true of a population of people that i wonder if it's a kind of privilege i have where i'm far enough away from whatever the desperation mendoza line is on all these axes that i don't have to think about it. It's it is actually. And it's i don't mean that chan chan you finally admit addressing it but you know we we think of of the homeless crisis in the united states right now as as being deep enough to start to cut in to populations of people that that are actually working class people who under normal circumstances where there would not be sleep in their car. Yeah where civilization had not become kind of a user areas that they would be able to afford a home on on their salary and they'd be able to not fall into medical debt and other forms of debt where they're excluded from their pushed out the bottom. Yeah and it's not a failure to. It's not a failure of work ethic. It's not a failure of ability. It's just a. It's just yeah. And it's a tidal wave of of conditions. Where each one of the conditions alone wouldn't be sufficient but it's easy to see how they become You know self perpetuating and i guess. A lot of these systems arose in time when these problems were less severe. You know the things you referring to credit rating and insurance these webs came up in a time when they did not push a huge group of americans out the bottom until a lot of the economic assumptions changed right and a lot of the the inequality numbers changed and suddenly now the systems that may be made sense in a world where they were not overwhelming in you. Serious now now. It's the math is very different. For what's gotta be hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah right. there were five years ago. If you had a workplace injury or you at a a car accident you incurred some some some medical bills. They generally wouldn't be sufficient to cause you to default on your home loan and ended up living in your car. But that isn't that isn't the case now and it's not all kind of economic indicators about income either i mean since you mentioned the homelessness problem there were all there was also a tiny in living memory for you and me were social. Safety nets were sufficient. And so these things did not become mental. Health did not lead to a homelessness crisis. And that's all different. So i think that there has always been a libertarian. Desire to live in a place where you don't have these these ills of of creditors and all the all the preconditions that that that you have to have in place just to be a functioning member of society their heels. I think of them as ill as remorse ills. No now you're in eagle monta heels. The out of the eli society. You know either literally ill citing sucking you. I do think of them as as being a parasites. When i was in my twenties and was still a a drug user. I went through a period. Where i lost my id in a in a kerfluffle and even have the old fake one for when you were. I didn't have the fake when all those things were lost. And i didn't have What you would describe as a place of residence. And i went for about a year where i had no ide- and no permanent domicile. What's it like. Well not great. But but you know i was in my twenty. They're not going to ask you to blurb homelessness. He keeps saying not great. John rutter but i didn't. I didn't have i didn't have regular work. I didn't have a place to live. And i didn't have a money or or ide- i i wouldn't describe myself as homeless because i've always i've always thought of that term is being fairly loaded right. I mean i was between between places you can say i mean it's kind of thing where whatever term you use will become the new pejorative term right. It's a bummer. But at the time you know i wouldn't. I would have said like oh. I'm just between places and it just continued to continue to be between places for a long time but what i what i realized was without an id without and it's different now that everything's computerized and at the time it was just a laminated piece of plastic with a with a photo picture in it but without an idea i was excluded from a lot of places right any place that serves alcohol. I couldn't get into even at twenty six years old. Did you feel like a non person. In a way. When when i was questioned by the police i could always establish my identity by you know offering. I had a social security number But i in that world. I encountered a lot of people that hadn't had ideas for a long time and But they were more into it no they were just older and had been and had gone from being between places to being kind of between worlds. They're living in the city but they're not part of what we think of. As the as the machinery of the city i mean. They're living in a really in a separate city and we think of the homeless. I guess as a as a kind of monolithic population of people who are all homeless against their will and their because you know the system has failed them. But of course there are a lot of people living in the city who don't want your social services and who don't who didn't Who did fall out the bottom. But not because they were working hard at their factory job in encountered medical problems. They fell out the bottom because they didn't want to be part of your world And yet our civilization our society is now urban enough that they're kind of forced to be in these large urban centers for the most part or at least they are kind of drawn there by different kinds of magnetism. They wanna be there often. That's where i mean often. They're collecting some kind of government like subsidies so that they have to be near enough to. I mean they have get their mail somewhat evidence some ways it's the it's the kind of place least suited to their desire to be off the grid. I mean there. It's a place with a high population density. I mean specifically. They're going to run into the problem of it. Being a place where real estate is scarce and expensive so no matter where they try to to make their place going to have what we see in seattle neighbor saying but this is a nice park. How can i take my kids. If there's now tens under the trees over there there's going to be competing interests in every space. Different kinds of scarcity's it's a it's a often. It's a question of how you focus your eyes because if you go around seattle and focus your is in such a way that you become aware of the different the different cities within a city. You'll see that this That this other network is all around you. It isn't you know we we become aware of it when a tent city pops up in a nice park and neighbor starts to complain but really everywhere you look. There are people living one foot in the grid in one foot out and a lot of people with both feet firmly out of the grid who sharing our space sharing our sh- taking part of the resources of the city and there. There's a lot of their a lot of stuff falls out the bottom of city that can be scavenged and caen re purposed There's a lot of money in the city. And i try not to ignore them because i feel like that's the most corrosive thing at all just You know. I've got a as a city dweller trained Urban person i need to treat this whole stratagem of civil as society as like non entities right. I've turned they don't exist. They don't have any of the kind of rights and courtesies that i extend to human beings. But you have to push you have to make you have to make an effort. I think i find that. Just you know even making eye contact and being friendly and The urges to feel uncomfortable and avoid that other second world but second network. And i think one one of the things that's interesting about living in the above ground world. Let's say People in other people living in the city but not in the city They're not especially often interested in your eye contact. You know what i mean and there. There's a tendency those of us who who are in the city to to just i think understandably feel certain amount of condescension or a certain amount of responsibility or privilege. It must be dispiriting. I would have nobody to look at you now. Well maybe maybe for some people. That's what they want. Unless it's you know unless you really are living in a world where the normies are the ones in black and white near the ghosts. Yeah and You know the ghost that are moving at a different speed and failing to see really Failing to see what cities really are living between parking garages and air conditioned office buildings and not really appreciating the environment and the problem is that there are a lot of groups that are advocates for homeless people. For addicted people for mentally ill. People and those groups often have a vested interest in portraying those populations of people as because because their mandate is to throw it gets donations. That's right and let me emphasize that a lot of these are with kids right. An and those groups well meaning and then providing incredible you know resources and services to people segment of the population. But it's it's it's hard even for those That that that are well aware. There are a lot of people in the community. That don't want their help It's very hard for them to acknowledge that population because it kind of cuts the the fundraising arguments and it also plays into a sort of socially conservative belief that the homeless just aren't they're just lazy or they don't they don't want to. They don't want to work. They just want to sit around. And how are you going to the other way. Are you gonna. are you going to tell me. It's kind of an a net good for society to have have this kind of population. I mean you're you're speaking kind of Admiringly of the not as if this is a kind of blight that our cities need to fix but just kind of a side effect of being a city. Well it is. It is a side effect of a Of just any kind of spectrum of i mean there are people there are people who live in a city whose feet never touch the ground and And there are inevitably going to be people in the city who die who freeze to death. in the winter and within that spectrum there are a lot of different world. It's a lot of different universes and and we we. i think. Make the mistake of thinking of these different populations as monolithic ride. The all the rich have no fear and all. The poor are a noble a needy. I speak of them. I speak of this. Particular group of people admiringly. Because i wh- 'cause i spent my youth kind of adjacent to it. I never felt like. I felt completely out of the bottom of the world. Right i mean not having id. I still sled connections. I still flying. I could put a quarter in a phone booth and call someone During that whole period of time. Although i slept outside in the city a lot i also was welcome in people's homes. You know i wasn't The there were bars that knew me on site. That didn't check my id. I mean i wasn't a excluded from certain bars. Were couch surfing as much as you more than you. Were under bridges. And they weren't the bars that i went to weren't in hotels. Let's say but but you know. I still was part of a community that was somewhat above ground am inbetween inbetween dark. But i got to and maybe it's partly that that that my nature does does lead me to gravitate sometimes to feel like the rumour that are on me in order to shake them off. I can't half measures won't suffice that. I need to make a clean break and and that clean break has a couple of times in my life. Caused me to abandon everything. And and Go through periods of where you know where i have no resources and sort of put a put a life back together afterwards but that was when i was in my twenties and thirties and had an awful lot of life force. That does seem like really the only as you want to be messing about with that. Yeah now in my fifties the prospect of sleeping outside in the city not just as a lark but to to to venture out one day from the apartment. I'm losing just for some kind of clarity. Well just i mean no. At the time it was just like. I don't need to pay rent like the. There's mana flowing in the streets. I don't feel that way now and wouldn't want to i if you said if you dared me to go sleep downtown for a couple of nights i would take the dare. That's a pretty big f- i'm not gonna do it. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go downtown with no with the idea that i'd you know i didn't have anyone to call. But there are a lot of people my age and older who just in the course of living their lives find that they get to be retirement age and don't quite have enough to get by They have a pension. they have government benefits. These are not people you're talking about. Who have some some previous life experience of publicists or living off the grid. These are just normal people that were always on the edge. Yeah not people habitually homeless although although some people in that category comes and goes but people that have lived productive lives but arrive at sixty five years old and retired from their jobs and just art able to live in phoenix anymore yet. I mean speaking of social safety nets and not able to live in phoenix and kind of a more adjusted to the idea. That self-reliance is i mean self reliance play such a big part in the american identity that we are Were free and we can. We used to come trust our freedom to people who lived in other countries with that were authoritarian or were Lived in cultures that were governed by monolithic churches or or oppressive ancient cultures and in america. You can really. You could set your you know set sail by your own stars and that's kind of morph into a new vision of america. Where we we're now free from any kind of communitarian belonging or obligation connection right which is unfortunate to adopt when you're living in phoenix or atlanta or any city where it is a it. You really are living in a hive. It is a communal undertaking just to live in a city. I'm not saying that i'm not saying that. It's a communal undertaken. you're putting on a pot. Latch no but it mediates hundreds of moments of your day. That's right that's right every time you stop at the crosswalk every time you go to the To the coffee shop like it's your part of an organism and for people to to have taken that self reliance mentality and tried to wear it as a cloak within completely independent framework. Where what they're doing is just denying that they're getting all this health they think car ownership is a big part of it. What if you could move through cities but you were just cloaked by a half ton of of detroit steel. You know your you kind of have your own little pod. It's a weird way to experience. Cities has never existed before in any human era earring. And i've got a sense of entitlement. I this place is crowded. But i can move through it cleanly in quietly with the soundtrack of my choice one. Also you're only experience of government from within a car for the most part is that it is a government. That's telling you when to stop and go and you can get resentful of that you can as you're driving time drug. The light is timed wrong. These streets are bad. I mean in a lot of ways. People driving on the streets is there is the main way they interact with a municipal. They sort of feel like everything would be. Okay let's look how good things are going for this car except that the city keeps putting potholes in my way like the idea that there has actually been some kind of shared space that they are opting out of seems to have escaped so ken. I'm always searching online researching omnibus topics and sometimes like in the case of our recent beaver kastoria episode which won't air for many weeks. I found myself searching all kinds of things that i wouldn't want to show up in my browser history. Like you don't want the government to know how many times you typed anal gland search engine. That's right. I mean once or twice. 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So much of what you would have described as free and open space and kind of unknown Unmitigated space space that you would call lawless space. I mean the the american west no jurisdiction no jurisdiction and no no sheriff and no no local government. You could just move west from saint louis or or indianapolis and be your own person. Make your own laws until you got to san francisco. You can see somebody from or germany. Watching bbc news stories about ammon bundy Just expecting no government intervention on his ranch in eastern oregon southern idaho. Whatever is just seemed would be totally foreign to them. Decide this idea that you could just find a space where the government would leave you alone because there are no spaces in europe. And i am and been bundy if he just kept his livestock on his ranch. Nobody would have bothered him but he was part of that western delusion that there's all this free still that's owned by the government and you should as a as a free and sovereign american citizen to be able to graze cattle on public land for free and that that land is a although it is a shared resource a and this is somehow different by the way from people who in the city's sucking on the government. Welfare that's right but that idea that sense that there should be a place that you could go where you were untrammelled where you were out of reach of a man. I think there was a there was a great period. In america that lasted into the seventies and eighties where Where a certain kind of american went to central america or south east asia to people doing it again now that so many of our safety nets and pension systems are gone like i know people retiring to latin america because the health care will be available and the cost of living is cheap and they just have to shrug and say well yes. I'm spending my seventies in this little costa rican town. And that's very different than it was in the seventies when healthcare wasn't nobody was going somewhere for subsidized healthcare. You know they were going to central america. Because there wasn't all right unorganized government at least in in whatever little beach town they going away from something not toward something. Yeah and now of course. There's that like. Wow you know even though honduras Maybe is going to be. It's going to be very different from living in san diego. at least they least have hospitals. That aren't going to bankrupt me and my retirement goes a long way. Yeah but there are. There are plenty of people in the united states whose retirement doesn't even allow them to go to honduras and a group of americans has coalesced in the desert of very the very far southeastern corner of the state of california the great state of california and created a community called slab city slab city. He going to play slab city. Good old slab city. Need to work on the name Well the name is actually descriptive. There are slabs there are slow. I assumed otherwise. Why would you claim their work during world war two. You know the the military the navy. The army navy airforce marines but during world war two there was no air force But army navy and marines if you're in the military you're always looking for someplace that you can blow things up where it's not going to disturb the neighbors and It didn't take very long to run out of those places in virginia in virginia. If you wanna blow things up you have to fly all the way out into the atlantic ocean faraway. Drop your bombs out there. But there are a lot of places where the where the military wants to see their bombs explode on the ground and which i understand. Sure i wanna see their bombs explode on the ground. I wanna see both bright to have an option. But you can't do that. You can't do that in delaware the same way that you can say for instance in nevada and the american west is full of places. Full of gunny gunnery ranges and Explosives ranges and military training areas. That are all that were all developed. Sort of around the The the rise of military aviation so large areas the hundreds of thousands of acres given over in the in the west to To range is just for testing aircraft. Yeah dropping bombs on things on sagebrush if you're if you're five hundred feet off the ground and flying at mach one and you're gonna drop a five hundred pound bomb that thing's going to bounce a couple of times before it goes off and you need. You need a lot of leeway for that thing to bounce and blow it. You want to make sure it's only gila monsters. You're not gonna put that thing down between two housing developments so the west is full of this stuff and then of course when nukes were developed. You need the entire state of nevada with the exception of win. America reno tahoe and las vegas. There's nothing else there's a crater and you might need new mexico to turn people into hulks incredible but during world war two way out there in the sonoran desert. The marine corps built Built a camp called camp dunlap and it was within range of the The aircraft carriers that were stationed in san diego so the airplanes that were flying in and out of san diego they could make it over to this The eastern part of the state and the marine corps built a kind of artillery range and they poured big flat concrete slabs out there in the desert for their marine corps uses their mysterious marine corps purposes. Then they used it throughout the war and at the end of the war they kind of transferred it over to the navy. Six one half dozen of another navy doesn't have a lot of use for desert and over time. Well you'd be surprised about the amount of navy land. That's out in the desert. Got if you if you did an inventory of all the land. The navy owns that. You're just like what can they do. A trade could they work how to trade. What are you doing with all this land. Utah navy in this case. They did workout trade or rather by the early sixties. The navy realized they they got nothing going on out here in in Akin camp dunlap and that nothing in the foreseeable future and so they. They did a kind of latest quit. Their claim to it and the land reverted to the state of california state of california. also didn't have any use for this land and it just sat fallow. It was pretty. You'd find something to do with it. I mean it's pretty if you're a gila monster. Oh sure but a lot of things are pretty. If you're a gila monster decomposing skunk yeah lady. gila monsters. sure. But i'm picturing this being pretty brown dusty an awful. Yeah and the imperial valley in california is sort of fascinating territory and we'll cover it in a future episode of the omnibus but the imperial valley. has been irrigated for over one hundred years now by by intrepid californians some of whom we discussed in our water wars episode and so there are parts of the imperial valley that are lush. Lush farm liles. Yeah but really. When when settlers first arrived it was a sunbaked and below sea level westland and that was true of slab city for a long time before a man by the name of leonard night leonard night arrived in the eighties and leonard. Night was a was. Someone inspired Inspired by revelation and his personal revelation in his personal sinners inquest. This was a religious. Tiffany had religious. Tiffany and he began to build a structure out of garbage and discarded paint called that he called salvation mountain. God does appear to send a religious oddballs out to the desert a lot which is nice for the rest of us god. Does god also set the mormons. They're i guess. I shouldn't say god says god said abraham kill me a son in this case. God said leonard. Go build a mountain out of garbage. Where does he get the garbage. Well there's a lot of garbage in the world and people dump it in the desert Including god i do get annoyed. I get annoyed by that one. I see just some dead end road where people are dumping dryers right or or or or or young prophets but garbage is pretty easy to come by and i think garbage in the seventies and eighties was easier to come by before people really fell into the trap of believing that recycling was real as we learned in the garbage barge entry leonard nut began to build salvation mountain out of old tires and straw and coffee cups and paint and He worked on it for a long time. And what it is. Basically is a big mound out in the desert that has Sort of religious exhortations aphorisms painted on it. Oh it's not covered in dirt to make it look like a real mountain. It's actually got. It's covered in paint a mountain in the same way. That space mountain is right. It looks like melted. It looks like you took a bunch of legos and melted it in fire. And then painted apocalyptic jesus poems in it so it's art. It is incredible art. It's actually been declared a folk art site and a national treasure sent her senator barbara boxer actually like enshrined it as a national some kind of national art. Treasure is great. I can't tell how tall it is in these pictures. Maybe all yeah. The original the original salvation mound collapsed because leonard. Night was not an mountain engineer. But he realized i. This is true of a lot of religious visionaries. God caused it to collapse. Because god wanted leonard night to know in hindsight. It's clear that he needed to do a better job if you'd asked him at climb hit leonard is going to make this thing collapse. He would say absolutely not but now that it has. I think we all know that that's gonna try again and so the second time. Leonard studied engineering. I guess studying and he he he made a new mountain maneuver salvation mountain out of adobe and straw and tires and old windows and car parts and it looks like a big rock candy mountain garbage it is. It is a big rock candy mountain. Yeah i think the main thing that the mountain appears to be made of is paint he finds all paint is a thing that gets discarded. it's a toxic. I just a ton of paint as just for something to do during the pandemic and it used every bit of kitty litter could find. Yeah that's what i was. That's how i was kinda drying it up kind of instructed. That's your new way to dispose it. In the old days of course paint was super toxic. Had had a lot of lead in it but leonard collected donations of paint. And just oh god old paint from anywhere. He could and basically painted this mountain and then painted it again and painted again until he built up layers and layers and layers of colored. Paint always with With these sayings and religious iconography. There's a big hard with A little axiom. About jesus. John three sixteen i can see. That's a popular one. John three sixteen see that a lot of football game. That's a big one not anymore. How come the virtual fans in the in the sports events today. Don't have the bible versus. Oh they're They're just so mad at the football players kneeling during the during the pledge of allegiance that they they forget to hold up their sign. They brought the sign. It's there they. Just forget to hold it i guess salvation mountain is not just a mountain though there are caverns and places so i've been there and climbed clamored i was about to say climbed but it really clamor. So you're not you don't have to stay off the art you can. It's very interesting if you want a there at a certain point. Leonard nights started communicating with the local navajo. Trying to figure out like if he could get some insights maybe or or maybe architectural once he built a he built a like kind of effect. Simile of a hogan out of full tires and old windows. I guess i admire the multicultural. It's pretty fascinating to be in it. It's actually kind of a there are spaces. Within salvation mountain they feel kind of and not just bonkers hallowed but hallowed. He always intended to live there or live within it But during the whole period that he worked there which was some thirty odd years He just lived in a shed that was on the back of his pickup truck and see get attached and i think he will. He kept thinking he was going to move into the hogan just stayed in the truck and eventually you know unfortunately he got dementia but his salvation mountain attracted a certain kind of lucky lou headed by on the highway and it's proximate to the salton sea which which is another future omnibus which also brings a kind of desperate tourist a tourist of the tourist of the atlas obscure kind looking for Looking for the the weird Rather than necessarily the beautiful or interesting salton sea is weird. Oddly beautiful and interesting but once you see salvation mountain. I think one of the one of your initial takeaways has to be. Wow you can just come out here. Into the desert and build a mound. Not of tires pain. So that i can make a mountain. You can do anything here. You can do anything and it started to attract characters and there's no other way to put it. What did he think about that. Well i imagine. He liked the company. He wasn't he wasn't. I don't think that leonard was trying to start. A church was wondering if you wanted followers. They're in personal communication. With god and i think he did want people to come but he wanted them to come to read john three sixteen Although that's available. I feel like you could just stay in your hotel looking at. That's right but but maybe seeing it painted on the side of a mountain would would be the lightning bolt. You're looking for if i believe in these verses. If only they were larger font size is really challenging. My faith can we've come up with some exciting t shirt designs in the last couple of months. What can you tell us about. T shirts going forward. I like the december ones. 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And maybe my guestroom definitely can spend the night So don't forget if you're interested in omnibus gear for a limited time only had two omnibus project dot com slash store that's omnibus project dot com slash store. Salvation mountain was right next to the ruins of old camp dunlap and when california took it over the navy had demolished all the buildings and all that was left now quonset huts. Always left worthy slaps But people start show up and one of the first guys to show up out. There was a guy named container charlie who. I'm sure that was not his name having well. Whose name was charlie russell. And having christened container charles having having hit Sort of the skids rather not the skids. But the end of the road container. Charlie still had stuff he still had life left in him but he just didn't see a future for himself in the city anymore. Any put all his stuff in container shipping container and took it out to salvation mountain out to a slab. He picked a slab that suited him surrounded by scrub grass. And this is one of the slobs buildings used to be on. It was a foundation Gila monsters and whatnot. Any of his stuff in his container. Plopped it down and said This is mine. I live here now and container. Charlie i think probably the next person that stopped by salvation mountain and then saw container charlie next door cooking gila monster and live in his best line. A good life It wasn't long before people started to congregate there. And there's more slabs more slabs more more room and more I think perceived lack of any jurisdiction. There is a town very close by It's the town of nyland california which is perhaps annoyed by over. This will now only three miles away but nyland and this is you know kind of classic story and is a largely latino community hispanic community of people that also have fallen on fairly hard times as the agriculture in In the imperial valley has gradually dried up because of the of the incredible demand on all that colorado river water so once lush farmland now rises leftover people so nylon nylon wasn't thriving either but they were not They weren't looking to live off the grid. I mean not. The people living in ireland that the electricity would stay on. The police would come when they called. But as more and more people started to arrive at slab city an took on the name slap city. It became kind of a place like the like of which there are very few in the united states maybe slab city is the last and increasingly few places like it in the world. Where although the state of california and the california state highway patrol like Stinson ably have jurisdiction there It's pretty far out. And nobody really takes responsibility for it. And it is. Is there no power or utilities or there There are no utilities of any kind. No water no power. No sewer it's just slabs of concrete kind of half buried under tumbleweeds. I mean if hundreds of people that you do start to see the limitations pretty soon of living in a place with nothing but slabs of concrete and no offer power sewer well so little by little. They're community has grown in size so that it now encompasses hundreds and hundreds of people. I think More than four hundred. Well wait a minute. More than four thousand people. Wait. what right now. Live in slab city in the winter in the summer it should be noted that slab city routinely is one hundred and twenty degrees but those slabs feel pretty hot. It's pretty hot in slab city in the summer and there is some sort of there are scrubby trees there. I mean there is some shade to be had if it could be called fat but the population really swells in winter makes sense. That's in the summer. That's the time when you have plenty of other plenty of options places in america where you can kind of live this This in this demi monde world in the winter you have a lot fewer options well and would it attracted in. Its you know in. It's a period of of fast growth were snowbirds But snowbirds you know. Rv culture Boomers who were retiring and wanted to stretch their dollar people that didn't want the government in their business. It's a certain kind of retiree. Your average retiree is just gonna koa or something. It sure is a certain kind. And you know you see This is another thing about refocusing. Your is in urban environments. You start to notice. Oh there are a lot of people. Living are vs in any major metropolitan city. And there are these that are really patched together with Chewing gum and bailing wire. I see a lot of them here and and those rv's represent a completely separate subculture and it's a subculture that i think considers itself at one removed from the homeless population. They wouldn't described himself as homeless because they aren't they got a system. Yeah they're turtles and As long as they can keep those vs running. They're in good shape. I think probably a lot of rv's in seattle in the summer that maybe head down to slab city. It's it's a kind of burning man except for a not for like rich kids on instagram. And what what ends up happening is you're right it is. It's a certain type of person and it does attract a kind of art collective mentality. As part of the way itself governs so salvation mountain was the spark that brought outsider artists to think of this as a place where they could also create of trash. Because there's a lot of trash in slab city and there's a lot of art made out of trash because you're responsible for bringing all your stuff. I mean all your resources everything you you live on your water and your food. You have to bring yourself. And i'm sure. These people are not super vigilant about trucking out of there they really aren't and there's something to do with the litter there's garbage everywhere you wanna make art. It's perfect you wanna make art. So they're very. It's very artistic. So driving through slab city and i was their most recent lay. Oh boy it's probably been about ten years. You didn't stay you. Were just passing through to look at check it out. Yeah i i stayed at day. The slab is that what they say. Yeah regards labrador retriever regard. You know people that aren't slabs normies and they actually say they use the word army Which i guess has yet. That's now a popular term for anybody. That's not in your weird. Whatever your little thing here within om the omnibus bunker we call. Everybody does not in the bunker. Normies i feel like in the world is just somebody who doesn't watch the same anime as you but here it means something a little more meaningful driving through slab city you cannot but feel a palpable menace That you would feel anywhere. Where lawlessness was clearly the rule of order. That's what i was going to ask. I mean to slab city have some of the ills that seattle's most recent attempt to have some kind of free place like this began as kind of a fun festival arts collective and ended in a couple of murders slam city. Feels like you're in a plasmatics video. It's definitely like water world in the desert but there is a there isn't an ethos of self government which is understandable. Right you can't have four thousand people congregate in the desert and and literally have no more as so it keeps things running the they try to solve their own problems they do. I mean there's a little element of They they're not solving problems the same way that we would. There's a kind of visual lantis him. That happens There's a one of the rules of slab city. Is that anything that is abandoned for more than five days becomes free game arrest that what happened in our house so if you had down to nyland to get water and decide to you know in and you call your daughter and she says come home You know the. There's a the one of the chickens having a breach birth or whatever and you go home for a week and you come back your abandoned school bus that was full of all the hubcaps. You'd been collecting to build a like a michelin man There that's gone. It's been scavenged by the other by the other members of the other residents and that's within the law of start kind of slab city task. Grab it where where i fill in for people who are on the verge of losing their having their stuff cannibalized. There's also a tradition there that if the community starts to agree that any one inhabitant of slab city has just stayed there. welcome Which probably happens not infrequently Where somebody just as you can murder them. Well what they have is what's called a burn out which means that everybody just gathers around and burns down your place there do you do. Are you allowed to exit before. Yeah i think so but kurds. Most of the people living in slab city are living in an rv. An old school bus their car that they've built a kind of lean to next to. I mean you know it's all It's all put together housing tin city. Basically you know It's housing made out of scrap so to burn. Someone's place down is yeah it's a. It's a pretty strong message. It would be in any community but when you drive around slab city you see burned out cars and rv's if you've ever seen an rv on the side of the road they caught fire and burned. It's pretty catastrophic at. that's a palpable reminder of to keep your to keep in line. I keep your keep your ps and qs zipped but as the as the real say but there you know there are compounds that people have built out of found. Barb wire and metal where you kind of can't see in little little corrals enclaves. I mean it's it's truly a testament to the ingenuity of the scavenger to people have generators in tv antennas and lights. And it's not like some throwback pioneer community know their lights in slabs city not powered by any any communal grid but people with generators people. There's a lot of solar power because it's really hot and it's in the desert so people people do have electricity. Although driving and i was there at night as well i mean i stayed unto the night until until into the night. And it's even spookier at night because it's all low wattage electricity so all the lights are kind of have a yellow yellow glow except for the ones that are like halogen bright and so driving around you. Just you really do feel like Like you're in a christmas village of the damned. Yeah christmas village on the dam But it's a it has become in a way it's own art installation There's an area there which Which was started so so it's developed many different neighborhoods There's an area called east jesus And this is part of charlie russell's domain east jesus is It's not a religious reference. It's not it's kind of equivalent to really sounds like the kind of thing you say if you drop a hammer on your town east jesus no. It's it's something more akin to a b. f. e. where he say i'm headed out to east jesus like It just means the middle of nowhere but east. Jesus has become a whole sort of enough artists working collectively that it It's like a museum. It's become an art installation in of itself. The whole of slump city has suburbs now. Unfortunately the state of california has recently been entertaining offers from petroleum companies to sell. The land is their oil. There's not all as far as i know. But petroleum companies need places to just political in the middle of nowhere. I mean just to get a tax. Write off talk about just a place to dump trash. I'm not sure whether the whether petroleum companies are actually exploring for oil there or whether they just want to dump their oil in the canals but once the ownership of east jesus was threatened. Some of the slab is have been trying to cobble together. Some money enough to buy slab city from the state of california because whatever the value of slab city is. It's pennies on the acre. If it wasn't slapped if you went across the street from slab city you could buy six hundred acres for know for the cost of one burned out car probably so it's a deal but unfortunately now within slap city there's a little bit of a generational conflict kind of like anywhere else in america kinda like anywhere else but the omnibus bunker. The young people in slab city who tend to be more of kind of you know fringe outsider people to begin with not not people that worked their whole lives and now live in an rv. And wanna be somewhere where there's no property tax but you know a younger group that wants to live in an in an art swirled off grid. A kind of into the wild type and salvation mountain actually appears in the movie into the wild. It's one of the places that the protagonist kid stops by on his way to dying of scurvy but the younger people feel like the boomers who lived in slab city for thirty years are going to buy slab city for a dollar from the state of california and then impose some kind of boomer. Hoa buber law on it. And the and the ape law at boomer spoken wall to wall carpeting and the youth are going to get a once again disenfranchised by by the greedy grasp. Really if you think slabs city has sold out then there's really no hope for you right. It's if your expectation is that even slabs to corporate. I don't know to tell you if this is the last free place. And and the and the boomers get in there and charge you a star plan. Steely dan music. When you're trying to just trying to enjoy the stars yeah where are you going to go on. Juris and that concludes slab city entry. One one seven zero dot. Is three five zero. 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The penny as i have often posited placing it with a counterfeit substitute oval penny. What is what is keeping them from substituting. Just this smash lincoln face exactly. Yeah if you're if you're going to stock your machine with these kind of copper ellipses no additional trouble to kind of a distorted lincoln head on the back of it or let me see. He sent us the penny and also several photographs of the penny completely. This is faked by q. Yeah we don't believe this for a second offenders your real name so yeah feel free to send your own oddities if you like to. 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Episode 351 - Angrily Ignoring Misinformation About It

Atheist Nomads

30:34 min | 11 months ago

Episode 351 - Angrily Ignoring Misinformation About It

"Eighth Year Stone ads episode three fifty one angrily ignoring misinformation about it. A podcast. You're about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who has please advised. Welcome to another episode of atheists nomads. I am Dustin and I am coming at you from studio is in the bedroom Studio A in our living room is currently torn apart and there are some cables that I'm GONNA need for the the new setup that are on order right now with the shutdown in social distancing and everything those are pretty well delayed like Might be getting them boy sometime next month and I ordered the more than a week ago. So we're going to be rearranging to wear the computer that's been doing most of the audio work. Plus the big interface That's all going to be going into the TV in the living room. The the new one we got a couple of months ago Fifty inch four. K. TV BUILT-IN ROKU get an amazing deal on it. So really pleased about that. And Yeah we're GONNA pipe through a really long. Hdmi cable the computer into that. Which will make live streams really cool to just sit on the couch and see it all on the TV and when we do interviews we can do video interviews and actually see them Easily if it's me and Lauren or more people we can all see everybody so that should be really pretty cool. I'm I'm looking forward to getting that setup but again it's going to take a little while and a probably a month and a half ago. I set up a desk in the bedroom. Could get a place where I could get a behind closed door to try to work on schisms and has become my Home Office for working from home and it is set up as a secondary studio. I I still need to get some sound treatment on the walls so hopefully it's not too terribly bad right now we will. We will see how this all sounds in the long run and limited testing. I've done before. It seemed okay using the old interface for this and and Mike so the sound should all be pretty familiar. Otherwise settings are all about the same That's getting way too into the weeds. I'm frankly getting kind of tired of of the whole stay at home and shelter in place and we all are. This is one of those things where we need to. Just buck up and deal with it. It sucks but it's important to make sure that people don't needlessly die because right now people are needlessly dying and there are some people who are not willing to buck up and deal with it such as a local ammon Bundy who you may recall from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. A few years back. He led an armed insurrection against the United States government. Seizing Federal Land and destroying any artifacts and has his. Most recent thing was a defiant Easter gathering near his home in Emmett Idaho where he was hoping to get a thousand people. Together in. Defiance of the governor's shelter in place order. Yeah he was hoping to get one thousand people you WANNA guess with. The real count was sixty. Yeah he got sixty people. He also didn't run out a big space research. Nope just used a warehouse that he owns on the edge of town out of these sixty people about half when asked by. Diego Rodriguez a pastor who spoke at the event when he asked who was from out of state but half rose their hands after the event or before even During the event the people were hugging and shaking hands. Nobody wore masks or any other protective gear. There were tons of most of the vehicles. There were pickups. A LOT OF THEM HAD AMERICAN. Flags mounted some had bumper stickers promoting the three percenters militia and somebody at the entrance blow a show far which is a horn made from a horn that you blow that is actually a type of Goat Horn. It is at least loosely based on a old Jewish horn talked about in the Bible but has been taken over by Christians especially the Jews for Jesus and Masonic Jewish groups and now the Patriot movement. Which has a anti-federal movement that seeks to overthrow the federal government and replace it with a libertarian theocracy? Which of course it would be a complete oxymoron. The the pastor there the event He did say during it Quote they'll speak all manner of evil against you. They'll say that you were just trying to bring attention to yourself. They say they'll say that you are trying to destroy other people's freedoms because if you go outside and you breathe someone might die. Yes they are ammon. Bundy was just trying to bring attention to himself. The people gathering are just trying to bring attention to themselves. They have been promoting themselves in as an anti federal movement. They are actively opposing. The state government and Idaho has one of the most conservative state governments out there. One of the most liber- Libertarian state. Governments out there. And they're opposing it too so no they they are just anti-government and anybody who's truly anti-government doesn't get it like even anarchists. Some kind of government. I don't know what they're really hoping to replace the government with but obviously it's not just getting rid of the central government man. It's pretty crazy One thing that the Bundy said at the event was I think it's bad enough and our rights are infringed upon enough will physically stand in defence in whatever way we need to. I believe that is specifically what Governor Brad. Little was talking about with a hose shelter in place order when he said that he doesn't want to have to enforce it but he has activated the National Guard and will use it if he needs to. They're bringing people from out of state and outside of the little town of Emmett to an event with more than ten people to potentially spread Govett. Nineteen either from Idaho to these other states or from these other states and to the town of 'em and win. The governor threatened the use of the National Guard. That was I know. At least I interpreted as stopping travel across regions like stopping people needlessly traveling from state from out of state to say a fucking Easter event in Im- it. It's not like they're going to be having the immaturity festival this year. Kentucky has mandatory shelter. Kentucky has a similar shelter in place and advance of Easter actually two days before Easter. Good Friday governor. Andy Bashir warned that anybody who violated the stay at home order on Easter knowing that there were numerous churches threatening to ignore the order also acknowledging that while most churches and every single synagogue and mosque in the state at shut down for this time there were some that weren't and he said that anybody who went to one of them would be subject to a fourteen day mandatory self corn team with police recording license plates and sending health officials to in person place all of these people and their households on quarantine. What actually happened ended up being at least that one church Maysville baptist. Church had a full house. At least it looked like it from the parking lot Which As a general rule of thumb churches considered full when the parking lot is eighty percent full. That's when people start. Stop showing up and just drive by so yeah. If it appeared to be near near full house it was full and that was despite a heavy police presence and even some nails blocking the parking lot entrances a church member who arrived beforehand Remove the piles of of nails and they ignored. The police warnings and signs and then they police went. Oh and some people even covered up license points To make us so the police wouldn't be able to record their license plate numbers so then. The police took down license plates when they could and the numbers when they couldn't and again everyone who attended lease. Let me phrase it. The owners of the vehicles that were in the parking lot during the event and everyone else living at their address are now quarantined for fourteen days. How fucking selfish can you get like if you can? You can hope that. In each of those cases everyone in the household attended And you didn't have. People need needlessly getting quarantined. Or at least everybody's getting quarantine due to no fault of their own but that's not likely with the Baptist Church but if there was anybody in attendance who had a roommate who is a devout Christian. Yeah that sucks. You need to pick your pick your roommates better. If you're in that situation and in Virginia Bishop Gerald Glenn of Richmond's new deliverance Evangelistic Church said at one of his. Actually I believe is that his last service he attended on March twenty second quote. I firmly believe that God is larger than the dreaded virus. You can quote me on that. He happily announced that he was being controversial violating safety rules at way more than ten people in attendance and then he was diagnosed with Kovic nineteen and has now died his wife's also sick with over nineteen and according to their daughter early on her father dismissed his symptoms because he has some other health condition that often leads to fevers and infections. I'M GONNA GUESS DIABETES. And so she ignored that he nord that apparently ignoring that diabetes and and or any other health disorder that negatively impacts your immune system but she would increase risk of severe complications from Cova nineteen including death. He firmly believed that God is larger than the dreaded virus the virus that killed him. So let's turn to misinformation removing from people ignoring it to misinformation about it and around it. The Reuters institute at the University of Oxford in England reviewed two hundred cove nineteen related claims. That had been rated either. False misleading by the fact checking organization first draft news. And what they found was that fifty nine percent of all claims were reconfigured. Only thirty eight percent were completely fabricated. Now that is that is really disturbing. That they found thirty. Eight percent of those were literally completely made up but the majority of them were reconfigured. Meaning they took actual information and twisted one example and one of the more common ones they saw it had to do with the instability of the virus at high temperatures. So the the claim they're making is that the Sun will kill it at twenty seven degrees Celsius and according to preliminary studies which again at this point. We only have preliminary studies. The virus does become unstable at high temperatures and the higher the temperature the less stable it is that is true that temperatures above seventy degrees Celsius. That is seven zero degrees Celsius so a mere twenty seven degree Celsius does not harm it like when you put it in the Oh yeah the subtle killer that twenty seven degree Celsius. Well then. Yeah if you're outside on a warm day then you're fine. No that is not even close a yeah would also that that twenty seven degrees Celsius number would also be one. That would be really something. People are optimistic of in hopes that it will die off in the summer or at least I down in the summer. But if his stable up to seventy degrees Celsius then no summer won't impact and just going outside does not protect you at all. Yeah seventy degrees Celsius higher than the temperatures you get in death valley the desert of Iran or Sudan that recently had the new contenders for highest temperature. You don't find seventy degrees Celsius. There's also some concern. They had that. Maybe there was some some deep fakes where they're using Audio and video manipulation through Artificial intelligence to tweak things into people saying stuff they weren't and they didn't find any evidence that that was actually happening. This was all all of this information was being produced the old fashioned way with people. Tweaking stuff editing audio and video to take things out of context rather than actually using a I to change the video and audio and this is just simple cuts. They found most of the false claims. Were focused on public health authority actions about forty percent of them a lot of these related to the World Health Organization and UN. They also found a lot of them. Were around five G. Because there is a conspiracy out there. The Five G. is what is spreading the virus as if electromagnetic radiation non ionizing electromagnetic radiation is spreading a virus. That is not how physics works. It's it's it's radio waves. We have radio waves. We've had radio waves for one hundred years. They don't spread viruses five. G. is just more radio waves again. We have radio waves lots of them and they also found that public figures are critical in the spread of this misinformation about twenty percent of them were spread by prominent figures like celebrities and politicians. And because of these people's significant reach they got seventy percent of the total engagement despite only being twenty percent of the false post and they also acknowledged that most of this isn't being spread by bad actors. It's just people who are coming across. That are ignorantly sharing misinformation thinking that it is good and that it will help somebody else and if we want to get a little deeper into one of those types of misinformation. Pew Research Center did a survey looking into Americans beliefs about the origin of Cova nineteen and they found across all. Us adults that forty three percent believed that it came out naturally only forty three percent. Twenty-three percent believe that it was intentionally developed in a laboratory. Six percent believe it was accidentally developed in a laboratory and twenty. Five percent. Aren't sure so. Nearly thirty percent of people in the US believe that somebody created Kobe. Nineteen in a lab and depending on who you talk to. It's either the. Us government created it to make China. Look bad. China created it to make Donald Trump look bad or the deep stage with secret. Democrats in the American bureaucracy created it and put it in China to spread to the US to make trump look back. Now this came about completely naturally a where it gets even more interesting. When you start digging into the the the demographics on who believe what about it is there some interesting things that that show up for. One men and women are roughly equally likely to believe that it was made in a thirty percent of men. Twenty nine percent of women. Men are more likely to be confident that it came about naturally whereas women are more likely to be not sure with forty six percent of men believing it came about naturally compared to forty one percent of women and twenty eight percent of women believing or not being sure compared to twenty two percent of men white people are the most likely to believe that came about naturally at fifty percent whereas blacks are coming in at twenty one percent and Hispanics at thirty five percent. Hispanics are the most likely to believe it was made in the lab at thirty nine percent whereas blacks are most likely to be not sure at forty one percent. If you look at age demographics the eighteen to twenty nine group is the least likely to believe it came about naturally the least likely to not be sure Andy. Most likely to believe it was created in the lab at thirty five percent whereas those over sixty five are the most likely to believe it came about naturally. That's fifty one percent and the least likely it was made in a lab at twenty one percent education's a big factor with college educated people being sixty one percent sure that it came about naturally compared to only thirty one percent for people with a high school diploma or less and Republicans are less likely than Democrats to believe that it came about naturally and a lot more likely than Democrats to believe is made in the lab so if you are a white male over the age of sixty five with a college degree or higher who is a liberal in votes democratic. You're most likely to believe the truth about this. And if you are a Hispanic in your twenties with a high school diploma or less who votes Republican? You are the most likely to believe it's was created in a lab and that really goes to show how much younger people don't trust. The government and less educated people tend to not trust science as much as more educated people and that thirty four to thirty nine percent of Republican and leaning Republican. Those numbers are those are the diehard trump supporters who believe anything that makes trump look bad was intentionally created to make trump look bad and right now the. Us government is actively engaged in a lot of very anti Hispanic practices actively targeting Hispanics and Latinos as dangerous other. So it makes sense that they'd be more likely to not trust the official narrative and the history of of black people with medicine in the United States has been really really ugly for really long time which is tragic for the historic abuses and tragic for the poor health outcomes for basically every thing for black people in the United States including Cova Nineteen. And it's so just so sad that this is something incredibly serious and yet there's a whole lot of misinformation being spread and I hate to say it. But Russia and China are actively trying to promote the spread of misinformation around Cova nineteen to destablizing United States and part of Russia's plan is to turn blacks and Hispanics against each other and against whites and to turn young against old and Republicans against Democrats and. It looks like their efforts might be working for a good example on the actual science on this This particular strain was first discovered in two thousand thirteen in bats. Well there are more current viruses which there are forms of the common cold that are corona viruses that have been around for a long time and are pretty benign and then there are current viruses like SARS and merce and Cova nineteen which is also known as SARS cove to and they have found additional strains in wild bats in Myanmar They captured wild bats and did rectal oral swabs and collected some Guano samples and checked for Colonel Viruses and they found three novel Alpha Current. Oh viruses three novel Beta Krona viruses one known Alpha Kurna virus and these novel one sees would be ones that haven't been identified before that's what novel means in this case. It is new. It's not known it's not SARS it's not Cova. Nineteen is not murders. And it's not the common cold these are new strains that we also don't have immunity to there are more this. They are spreading. They are making the cross from bats into an mostly bats into humans and nobody is making it in the lab There is some some decent evidence that part of what has been spreading this at least with SARS and and cove nineteen is the the wet markets with live wildlife in China which they are looking at trying to shut down they are trying to shut them down pretty poorly but one of the reasons for the existence of those wet markets is for traditional Chinese medicine. Which isn't traditional. It's something that was created as part of now it's cultural revolution and China is promoting traditional Chinese medicine as misnamed as it is as a treatment for covert nineteen. Since they don't they're still aren't good treatments for it and the resources available to try to keep people live while they try to fight it off are pretty limited and this particular treatment. China is promoting requires for part of its cocktail bear bile and their environmental groups in Malaysia. That are sounding the alarm that this could lead to the extinction of the Malaysian Sun. Bear There are poachers going around collecting the bears phrase that they're poachers going around killing the bears to harvest their bile to ship to China to be turned into traditional Chinese medicine and so even though the bears may not be dying of Kobe nineteen they are dying because of it fucking China seriously for one last story. I do WanNa talk about the news. George Pell was Catholic Cardinal. He was convicted of child sex abuse from his time as a priest and sentenced to prison. he was the highest ranking member of the Catholic Church to ever be charged and also to ever be convicted and the Australian High Court unanimously overturned his conviction on all five counts They cited in in their ruling They said in their ruling quotes. The jury ought to have entertained a doubt as to the applicants guilt with respect to each of the offenses for which he was convicted and order that the convictions be quashed and at the verdict of acquittal. Be entered in their place They one of the things they they they questioned was that he was convicted. On the evidence of one man the five counts. Were all about two boys. Getting raped repeatedly by PELLE EIGHTIES. And one of the men committed suicide in two thousand fourteen so he wasn't able to testify and this was before any allegations were made so it was just the one man testifying to this happening and there was no physical evidence again. It was from the eighties. So there's no physical evidence left and the jury found that testimony to be convincing and quickly reached the unanimous guilty verdict. But the High Court didn't think that a single witness thirty years later was sufficient and it is really easy to get angry about this Another priests getting let off the hook for raping children but on the other hand one. Victim's testimony thirty years later. This is a really tricky one. Where whether you rape one person or you rape multiple you're guilty of rape and should be sent to prison for it and especially if you're raping children. It often takes a lot of time for them to mature and process through it and decide that it's time to report it so some extra allowances need to be made and it's really sucks when people killed themselves possibly because of that abuse but for legal system. Do we really want people going to prison on accusations from a single person from thirty years ago with no physical evidence. I don't have an answer to that. But if you're angry about this I think that's something worth considering. We got some feedback from Randy via youtube to episode three fifty five slave stream. Couple days after the fact love your content and we'll support whatever changes you come up with so thank you randy definitely do plan on continuing with content and right now. There's just a lot of news that has been really irritating me and I felt the need to yell. No microphone about it. So hopefully you will. You will continue to enjoy me yelling into a microphone. And like one of the you know the podcast. One of the ways of looking at it throughout the entire length that has been going on has been me having conversations with people and it's it's time for me to be to get comfortable with having a conversation directly with the listeners. And I'm I'm working on getting better with that and I. I think I'm doing pretty well. So let me know if you what you think but yeah I think I'm I'm getting better at that and from colleen via twitter. She's at Sea Rose Jay on twitter at atheist. Nomads listened episode. Three forty seven Boorda Tele is a yearly vaccine is not always commonly given though. This was not something I was aware of. She knows because she works in pet care and they do that one routinely for pets so yup. That's definitely something to talk to your veterinarian about if you have if you have pets that's going to wrap it up for this episode. I don't think I'll be getting another one out this week. But if you want to support the show you can find out how atheists dumb as dot com slash donate and if you WANNA contact us like Randy and colleen you can comment or tweet or send US messages or comments on facebook. Don't do facebook. I don't check it very often. The feedback form on the website and the email address contact atheist dot com are usually best. Twitter works pretty well too. I get emails when with from Youtube comment. So that also works. Well we love. We love feedback so keep that up and remember. Not all those who wander are lost. 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THEY WALK AMONG US EVERYDAY

Native Opinion Podcast an American Indian Perspective

1:44:58 hr | 1 year ago

THEY WALK AMONG US EVERYDAY

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So it's a great way Last but not least you can also leave us voicemails tate. Six zero eight hundred five nine five again that number eight six zero eight hundred five if you can grab the audio from there as well so there we go all that works right brother absolutely outlay absolutely and and if you would like to help support our show by becoming patron please please please visit our patriots site at Patriotair Dot Com forward slash native opinion and on our facebook page by clicking on the learn. More Button Martin. We thank you all for listening and sharing. Our show truly does help a squirrel. Well Welcome to native news in where you get your latest native us live. This article has has made concerned quite concerned oil Titled this Article Is. Gop State. Lawmaker refuses to resign after after report that he participated in armed standoff And this brought to by Owen daughter from an ridden for the hill before you get into the article itself had a little commentary. Carry that I wanted to to add. And how many of our listeners remember the standoff between the Bundy's and the federal government at the mouth hewer National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. I know I do. We have a day. Yup We have have a little clip that we'd like to play. Yeah yeah this is actually from our show from two thousand sixteen was way back to episode eleven. We were talking about about this area So Mr Baroni Ammon Bundy was on. CBS interviewed by CBS. About a week ago and I thought I'd play that interview again credit goes. CBS interview was being bounced around between the morning anchors. So that was Let me see Charlie Rose Gayle King and Norah O'Donnell I believe it was veteran again. This is CBS. This morning. I will apologize for the crude recording. Anyway here we go. Protesters say they plan to stay. Stayed Put until all local rangers Lee claim land they linked to stolen by the US government years ago years as long as it takes she on the gentle as possible from this necessary. This is important outside. The compound armed guards are standing by to monitor under those entering the property. Meanwhile dry and Stephen Hammond are on their way to southern California to begin serving their jail. Sentences There Charlie. Thanks facially ammon. Money is with us from the Malheur. National Wildlife Refuge. Good Morning. Good morning you're trying to do. Well we have a situation where I'll federal government out of all the people now. They've been doing for some nine. Now tremendous amuses data use the courts to prosecute to basically take the land resources away from the people while you are when are serious about being here about offending and we are getting something strange now from the government. I saw an interview with one of your members heading there. Today who said he's prepared for this call Cutler. Same fill the absolutely circle. Most people kids families in our six children shop with a dog sired to go out to the free to the burden on the land and resources to planning longtime family. Ah Out there locals ranches for answers to leave the clear there land leave their canary in order to make this refuge. And that's really what this is about the people of this being views You know every everything and that that that that that clip that that guy spoke wreaked of white privilege. I'm sorry just did. Yep Everything The the ranchers had to leave their farms and lose their land to make this refuge You know who it belonged to before you you get got in their So the reason. This article is in the native. New Section is because there was a large portion of native artifacts in the building the Bundy's and their gang inhabited. If you've listened to our show way back then you might remember these fools recording indicating themselves indicting Libya. Yeah that inviting sorry has over. Just my glasses I they did. They did they well he did go what. What is this as task we? We're concerned about the way. Our thoughts men store here. The piney are facts and so we're reaching out to the pike. Try to say we need to put up a a cumulus station very on because we want to make sure that these things are Rightful owners and that they're taking care of so confer their artifacts these are some impacts. You want us to five Australia. Foul store here so he could see their boxes of art factor and she has some rash nasty. Here this annoying we've found is she. is she writing stalls and get things here. Projectile tall granite that the PL ever wherever was in charge of these artifacts Kinda boxed up and let him just raw down Jackson search for example. If you have any gates on these things we do serve the date on this for eighty nine okay. Nineteen eighty nine so so we we have these artifacts from eighty nine ninety nine thousand forty some odd years. You've just been sitting down here so my question is is why do just keep them down here. They don't they belong to the natives. Villa right forest locked away here from nobody the for them to look out inevitably come down here. This needs to be taken care of reaching out to the pious people in in serious matters a calf cleese open dialogue. How get come come down and start talking face to face and less must make sure that we take care of the heritage of the native American people and and any concerns that they may have some thinking voice them so that we cannot? We could hear that when he claimed that they they may have upon the lands. Restless begin dialogue so the life. This is just some of them here. You'll come over here or here you know seeing Awful is visible the All Star added R.. US Department partners cheerier projectile points from nineteen eighty eight himself. I didn't hear from nineteen eighty two sitting on the top boxers. Like this. This is this is how the native American heritage is being treated to me. I think acceptable acceptable. Let's get this thing cleared flat star having the style again. Just starting this dialogue in and we we want to be Respectful as possible of of everybody. Can I get this video. Showed around targeted uploaded for you. Make sure zero. This gets the pilots and that the US government and has taken their artifacts and just literally just there wasting away down here ravs infestation cobwebs thirty five years. They've been thirty years poorly treated him The rifle owners to come back and claim their belongings sure. Let's drag drag those Indians into our conflict. Inflict here let's let's get them involved in and eventually put the blame on them. Yeah exactly I had called cuts also from responses from like the the Pie chairwoman chairwoman and other stuff in Fortunately I didn't have acute up properly here but But yeah you're absolutely right and that's exactly what he said they're like odds. What is your problem? You know the other one rifling through that stuff and I again completing indictment of themselves idiots idiots. Yeah there there were a number of people who fly under the radar and Boyd being in the spotlight concerning their participation dissipation in the standoff now because of the stupidity one of their faction did lose his life. If the guy that was just speaking it level Philly Com because of their stupidity You know they were trying to take over lands. That weren't there is. They wanted to feed their animals on land that they knew the process for obtaining those those grazing rights but they HBO's two year after year after year illegally. US lands that they went supposed to be on. So you know there was a long history about about the Bundy's you know you know breaking the law and they figured they would just push the envelope a little more But that particular incident was deem as act of domestic terrorism. We must be vigilant to what's going on around us as the title of this episode Mentions Mentions. They walk among us every day when individuals participate in access domestic terrorism against the US. One would hope someone would come forward and say something if they were. Were aware someone participated in said act every day individuals commit illegal acts that rub up against the very laws that are that are designed to protect the populace and we are part of the populace sometimes in maybe more than we know those individuals sequestered themselves in politics or even law enforcement. Well one of those individuals who flew under the radar in innovated scrutiny as Owen writes in an article for the hill dot com is a state the GOP lawmaker is refusing to step down after an inquiry found that he planned participated at armed standoff at the Malheur L. Here in National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon Washington State Representative Mike Shea. Republican said that he would not resign arguing that like the fool in the White House might words. He is a victim of a sham investigation for cording to local outlaid K. R. E. M.. Two quoting like we are seeing with our fool in the White House. Might words this is a sham. I am investigation. Meant to silence. Those of us who stand up against attempts to disarm and destroy our great country in close shave wrote on face fag quoting again. I will not back down I will not give in. I will not resign in quote. Okay so you know the guy just shot himself itself in the foot with his stupid you know right wing gotTa. You're not taking my guns safe. Well there's been other statements made by Right wing Conservatives both in media the A- as well as You Know Idiots that we're actually elected into office There there there's been people out there when let's see who was a candidate. Kennedy was running. But he's he's out now I'm trying to remember his name from Texas. who was running on the Democratic ticket Who's who was advocating advocating for You know completely taking Weapons in basically saying if you're not military or police police you don't really need them. not enough. I would necessarily advocate that completely and I'm not a person who who used a gun whatsoever. You know you've heard me spout off on the show before I don't think he'd A full the full auto machine gun to go hunting with okay but But needless to say there were right wingers going you know if you showed up to my home. He's GonNa die you know. And it goes into the hall Second Amendment Discussion. which is which is not a discussion? In my mind's eye because some the second amendment has nothing to do with you owning guns So it it You know but you also see how look at the language like they've just read it right is like this is a shakedown. This is Bob. This is this. This is a witch hunt right. Where did that come from? Okay so they they're copying their own crap out sure perpetrated by of course you know the full in the White House and administration so This is not gonNA stop until on certain individuals are removed from Washington. And I don't just mean trump is a lot of problems They need to go away. You know this. This has been a continuous talking point amongst the Progressive Democrats. I can tell you right now. Oh yes so well. I'm sorry. Will you finish okay in an investigation conducted for the House of Representatives. They found that Shay this this guy that won't resign help. Plan an act of domestic terrorism against the United Sates and a hundred eight page report the detailed guys involvement with the military takeover that was performed by the Patriot movement. Obviously obviously a group. He belonged to a rule based conservative organization made up of militia members and so call sovereign citizens the findings of the report prompted Washington House Minority Leader. Jt Wilcox Republican to Throw Shea out of the GOP caucus and call for his resignation nation. Wilcox added that Shea. A six term lawmaker will no longer be allowed at caucus meetings and will need to find a new office breath however they can only get rid of him by two thirds vote which we need support of the Democrat majority in some Republicans. So you know here you go. They walk among Mongoose every day. Making decisions on your behalf. mm-hmm that's that's the greater concern. In my opinion the fact that the psychology audie that they're carrying with them influenced by. You know who cares. I don't know but obviously something I don't share personally Are Affecting lawmaking so you know Either either at a state level or or or even federal level but It goes on in the Democrat Party. Too Don't get me wrong Dot so much obviously not right winger agendas but in in a different in a different elk. One of these days. I'm going to be very specific about that but But there you go yeah bef- last part may be laughing. I tried real hard to find it too. What was that Let's see goes the article and went on to say in an interview with with INFO wars the earlier this month shake to the states investigation a quote Marxist smear campaign close quote we're talking about The infamous My brain is not working. Today brother my brain's not working today. All uh-huh Alex Jones Guy Walks around like Disney bursley controversy. That's how he sounds that's how he does his show all time like that and Yeah so this guy was on a show so there you go file. Jones got himself. South knocked off of every single major social media platform and I could probably find this audio on his website but I refuse to pay him any money to do so. Oh so yeah so I I love I love indicting people based on their own words through audio media but But yeah so there you go okay so This next article you guys Fair warning in advance At this content Most likely will be sensitive to some of our audience members so I just want to preface that As we go into this article on on Wall Street Journal the title reads Indian Health Service effort for to protect patients from abuse. Need work a report states we have have on this show. Provided many stories over the past four years regarding so many inadequacies within the innate healthcare services basis across this country these range from a lack of funding and budget cuts to indigenous healthcare programs. Graham said are critical to many of our native communities but what about other aspects of healthcare. Let's even more critical about patient. Care and safety in a report that was issued by the Office of the Inspector General on the United States Indian. Health Service finds that it's failing to protect native patients who are being abused. reports of poorly implemented policies in some facilities on in fear by workers of retaliation creation for telling the truth about known abuse cases which involve our children so in a story published Again The Wall Street Journal by Authors Dan Frozen Christopher Weaver along with with A companion frontline investigation documentary which was produced by the Public Broadcasting Service It shines ends. a real serious light on a well-known problems within Indian health and want to play an excerpt from the documentary. Kary so take a listen. Please dry a special investigation from frontlines of the Wall Street Journal. There were allegations allegations of drug misuse stealing sexual abuse and inappropriate behavior. Quebec as of dysfunction inside the Federal Agency that provides healthcare to native Americans Americans the Indian Health Service just seem impervious jump over that they could not get right because of absol- of need to fill this and we don't really get the best. In the case of a government pediatrician moved from reservation to reservation. My concern was at this man was sexually actually using children. Despite warnings there was obviously a lot of people that knew something was going on and they didn't do anything the the Indian Health Service and the failure to stop decades of abuse cover-up used this involves a lot of people in high places Predator on the reservation. Kurt Mahler inspector with United States on healthy must office of the Inspector General Meeting with factor stemming Patrick however on Reservations Health Service. Dr Stanley Patrick. Whoever was a pediatrician working working for the Indian Health Service K.? Asthma the patients or native American Children Whenever Dominion Reset. Your Voice and seven. And I'm not making this up talking. All the allegations followed Dr Webber from reservation to reservation. It's time for vision. I thought I have got people talking to him. Uh The Wall Street Journal Reporters Christopher Weaver. Dan frosh have been on the trail of Dr Stanley Patrick Weber on the government agency. He worked for the Indian Health Service studying about two years ago. All we got interested in a federal agency called the Indian Health Service their hospitals have had outta ugly track record in the last few years there were missing diagnoses patients die in for no reason and we found that the agency had failed for many years take. It had a series of structural problems that had basically rented hospitals Incapable of meeting their regulatory requirements. We found a bunch of doctors doctors with trouble track records for doing the Jessore once they got there in some cases people who had who had been convicted of crimes prior to their services of the IHS the heart in the heart when again looking into trouble. Doctors have got in trouble during the course of their careers. The jets and one of those doctors was guy by the name of Family Patrick. Upon finishing the residency he immediately joined the Indian Health Service. He was stationed from eighty six to eighty nine at a hospital in Oklahoma Ada Oklahoma at the IHS ratified todd. He was a pediatrician there. Yes and this doctor being accused of sexual assault by the patients and thought that warranted a broader look at Dr Webber but also it's widespread practice of hiring doctors doctors who who would get into trouble. We thought Eliot down the IHS that anybody happy in claimed that there might be a shield with Dr in nineteen ninety two. Dr Webber arrived in the little town of Browning Montana part of the black feet Indian reservation likely reservations about twenty twenty three hundred square miles. It butts up against Canada. This stunningly beautiful place. Like a lot of Indian reservations. There is high poverty rates high hydrates alcoholism diabetes domestic abuse etc.. So this is really one of the most far flung places that you could go If you are a doctor the reservations only hospital was run by the IHS which struggled to doctors. Oh okay so as you listen to to that piece In the first thing when I when I watched about an hour long in the link to the video actually embedded in the article so I really strongly recommend that you guys check that out but First thing that came to mind for me is Sadly I watch a lot of mainstream news coverage right and what was a dominant dominant thing this. This past year in two thousand seventeen was the metoo movement. And then what you might remember. What part what sparked that off was the situation with Larry? Nassar the doctor that was treating Mostly women on the United States Olympic Gymnastic team But I want you you to make note that they're talking about Dr Webber in this piece goes back to the eighties so well before for me to well before Larry Nassar he's been gone a long time folks I h s clinics and facilities particularly. If they're in remote locations suffer from similar situations as that of law enforcement that we've run stories on his well These remote locations nations such as that of Alaskan communities for example are not the first choice of police officers doctors for posts for example The pay is often online with other mainstream city markets therefore to attract people to fill these positions screening processes are often lower than what they should be satisfied and that can attract of course the wrong individuals for positions positions. We also talked about predators that inhabit man camps in mining towns where there are high percentages of missing in children where abductions have taken place and the selling children has been suspected Four communities are often targets of all kinds of predators and our reservations on lands trust by the government if the abuser Sir is not native all our law enforcement I'm talking about tribal law enforcement. All they can do the stern the individual over to the federal authorities with no hope of the abuser truly facing any real consequences Basically what that means is that Largely they get away with their crimes and often Move onto the next community eh which is even more scary This is a very very deep rampant. Albumin ending country. In one that we continually they try to get addressed The throughout our various different communities honest you know why the activism in the work of a folks in Washington you know like the talent or trying to address this and others because because it exists. It's rail doc in that documentary for example there they interviewed a tribal police. Officer may have been the chief of police there and he said it himself All I could do was turned Mr Weber over to federal authorities. In the next thing I did was to make sure that my children don't see that Dr Anymore. The other doctors before before hell allow them to be seen. So it's a double whammy really when you look at it. It's like first. First and foremost programs are being cut. The services are sub sub par substandard in many cases And then on top at that. You have potential predatory threats now a good situation and one that No it's all about go ahead. I say what makes it even more agree GIS is the federal government. Knows that these practitioners had these these problems. The federal government knows but they hire them. Anyway I don't care whether they're tired through A third party contractor they still have to report to the federal government About these individuals. So you know that. That's an egregious shortfall short short falling on the federal government's part until like and you know this isn't an accident. This is something that's intentional. They're allowing these these predatory practitioners to fall through the cracks to land on Indian reservations in the longer. The longer this kind of stuff goes on in the longer it's been reported over and over again You know to anybody you know willing to listen. That can affect you know a potential positive change the longer that it doesn't get changed. What else are we? What else are we do? Believe life other than that. It's delivered right against think about it. If you have a problem. Dr Wright who has been a problem them are are in for whatever reason not a again but not held accountable criminally otherwise. especially if if we're talking about abuse of children I'm talking off reservation. Yep and so what is their solar outta sight outta mind sent him over to that native Community Eighty Howell road at Chad doctors. Clergy law enforcement are all held in such high regard that when Predator you see these fields as careers. They can get away with a lot. You're absolutely correct you and it up. I'm sorry good. Could the fact that this type of problem has been reported for so long and the government has done nothing about it tells you that they health and wellbeing of these children that are affected by these practitioners is not even you now now. It's not even a thought. They could care less. And if you if you ask me in a convoluted way it's another form of of attempted genocide because how many of these children have taken their lives because of instances that they've experienced this children. That's the statistics that will never know sadly sadly we'll never know but to allow this to continue has a never lasting effect on the children that are affected by this and and the families correct so the government is is sorely lacking and it's it's care and concern about the health and wellbeing of these native peoples on reservations. I mean come on you know what bothers me too. Is You know what the initial reaction usually when you when you bring up a problem of this magnitude. There's always as we got to study what studied you have to do. There's two gentlemen right here. Dan Russian Christopher Weaver went into communities do not natives by uh-huh went into these communities. pull out the story what studied you need to do. Correct they get it for you you go and interview the same people go and talk to the same people that they did and more while they have to have to find out what makes six people tick why they do these things and you know what drove them to stupidity like that exactly but those are the studies that they have to to do and then they claim they have to. They have to do the studies in order to justify what the budget funding the budget. Finding it so Ridiculous and again. This is not an issue this problem it it is a problem absolutely so all right. Let's move onto an article That's not serious and actually a lot more positive about that. It's all right here. We go so on the show. We've been very supportive of Greta. Bloomberg right as a young person who's now sixteen Who made the cover of time? Magazine's person of the year for her activism in bringing awareness to climate change range In a world that still continues to largely ignore it right We also WANNA remind folks that by Ryan Large. It has been indigenous people who have led the fight against climate change as well as much of the controversy. Uh Excuse me the environmental fights that that have taken place really going back to the nineteen seventies warriors such as Lisa Deville. They spotted Eagle Dallas goal tooth and of course Duke and her work with honored. The earth Are Native youth have been stepping up and really getting involved off. Ah Fighting for our planet you know and that fight comes in many different forms Most recently force the Youth Karan from standing rock to Washington d say to let to bring awareness to let people know. Hey there's pipeline going in and it's GONNA poison our water supply our only water supply. What are you gonNA do about it? chasing a seventeen year old it is leading a climate Climbing abuse given like. Try this again. Leading climate activism in the State of Alaska as reported in the rising environmental news organization quantitative quote. We shouldn't have to tell people in charge that we want to survive. The should be our number one right. We should not have to fight for this close quote again again Those are the Quanta chasing horse. Who stood in front of a sea of delegates at the Alaska Federation of Native the AFN in twenty nineteen? It was a convention that was that took place in Fairbanks Alaska Heavily involved in advocating for rights. It's for the indigenous people last gum reading from the article again Quanta chasing horses part of the rich the rich in and Lakota Sioux tribes the biggest goal to put into focus the damaging effects of climate change on the indigenous populations of Alaska in a report released released by the national climate assessment the NCAA Alaska is warming twice as fast as the rest of the country. Furthermore these he's disastrous effects are hitting the indigenous populations of Alaska extra hard to the quicker seasons and the warmer days present. Many risks for indigenous Alaskans. These risks include threats to food supplies and higher cost of infrastructures. Furthermore you're some indigenous villages had the relocate due to coastal erosion from climate change. Youth Activism is gone Excuse me as undergone on a surge in the past year due to these irreversible changes in the spotlight chasing horse and her fifteen year old partner Not as a Peter are determined to make a change at the Alaska Native Convention Chasing Horse brought attention. Listen to the report. Changed US getting to the report released. Excuse me by the NCAA. Thousands of Alaskan natives at the Convention heard the teens arguments moreover she provided for generational. I'll try that again. Moreover she provided for a generational lens by drawing her own experiences with climate change chasing horse. Explain how the youth are more keen to how climate change is changing everyday life. Both chasing horse and Peter expressed deep sorrow for the generations. That will come After them presenting their own climate change resolution to the delegates their resolution called for AFN voting members to recognize is climate. Change as a state of emergency. It is unsurprisingly faced a lot of opposition from those who had interest in oil and gas asked reserves along the North Slope with concerns about the resolution tampering with a lucrative business opportunity the vote for the resolution solution was not unanimous pretty sad but on December twenty first delegates of the Alaska Federation of Natives passed the resolution. Could there was the the positive light in that so wellard work to them. Yeah good for them A little a little something something that bothers me about the Hoopla made over regretted and I'm not knocking her for her activism but I am knocking the powers that be for their ignoring people like Quanta native children. Who have been been at this long before Greg is name became a household word. Not One word about about those children not one word and that in itself it's telling it's a sad representation of of who this country is and the fact that this nation refuses to acknowledge that there is a a up. A problem with our weather in our climate is almost signing a certificate demise for this country drink I read an article report. The other day about Fuji my bride remember Fukushima while it kind of went dark In the in the news. News threads Maybe a year after you know the the to Nami wiped out their their a nuclear power plant and the article was really disturbing because it went on to tell how their cleanup up efforts were being delayed by years decades because of various various things like unskilled Labor storage equipment things of that nature. They we are running out of storage space for all of its nuclear wastewater that they're having to you if they're having use seawater to keep these these rods cooled. Those Roger Still Hot. A lot of people. Think the nuclear the nuclear problem at Fukushima. All done now. They're not they haven't even begun to remove the Raj yet. They're not going to be able to do that until twenty thirty Yup so you know the millions of metric tons of seawater. Anyway that are being used to cool. Who'll these cooling rods have to be stored in tanks? They're running out of facilities Japan. It's an island. Where do people think they're going to put this stuff exactly it so you know that was something thing that a lot of climate experts that that whole mess over the earth that Sonam that wipe that out in the the typhoon food was so bad the the climate experts seem to believe that it will take once? It's bad as it was because of climate change. So it's it's things like this that you know nobody's paying attention to this young lady. Quantum chasing horse. Her home is being a threatened and an altered on a daily basis because of climate change. So we need my bottom line is give these young people people credit give all of them credits. Not just one that happens to fit a particular category see that everybody says Oh. We'll put her up front and center because she fits a particular look or description that we like to present get all of these children the credit that they're do that Wal said I mean I mean you know you. You calculated that perfectly. I mean because you know yeah not not taking away like you said the efforts of Greta but you you definitely have to look at. What was the motivation for elevating her into the mainstream space? When we're talking about climate correct in climate justice? That was a key. The we're going to have an article an article in the link in our show notes article by next Media News that highlights age native American leaders working for climate justice. You don't hear about the mainstream news so encourage you guys do to check that out Opt about their individual efforts in this area because the fight I'm sadly because you would think commonsense says we'll have to use the planet the planet continues to give back the best that it can but it struggling and it's hurting but what we're fighting against is capitalism bottom line. I gotTA DIG coal. That is the bottom line. I got a suck out my oil I got I got I got a FRAC. The Planet Crack the planet open. So I can get that. What more oil The nuclear problem that day just broke open because people care about energy inconvenienced in America it WanNa be inconvenienced. It's got to drive my car. GotTa have heated my home. What we've seen based on what we sat on this show? Continuously is GonNa pick again on the oil and gas industry if they had taken a third of those profits. It's something into alternative research for alternative energy. Think about what could have been developed. That wouldn't hurt at the planet obscene technologies that they it just needs an infusion of cash to develop better or not ding the planet. I'm not sucking something out of the planet. I'm not creating an energy source. That could radiate an entire population of human beings. Yeah and yet because because they put what money over people basically for what we say in in preservation profits over preservation reservation in preservation in the context. What I mean is preserving the point so this is being what Howard here in chat? Common Sense is not that common for or should I say commonsense dances put on pause when it comes to the Almighty dollar. Yeah so a warning best seems we all have a little bit of a Internet problem this morning. Welcome to Rolleston Scheme. Great so cool. My name is consol Guerrero also known as q violin. I'm from Phoenix. Arizona born raised. But I have ancestry here in southern California and my a father's side he's ancestry's from the one in your heart you mean band of mission Indians. My mother is from Brazil she also has indigenous roots from the Cumby. I tried from the coast. I studied classical music for a long time. Tunnel's about four years old to sixteen years old. I was playing you symphonies youth orchestras orchestras and learned a lot about the European composers. And all of those sounds and influences have really kind of geared my musical oh evolution all sorts of different ways that I like to export my parents both being musicians. I listened to a whole ton of music. I started singing shortly afterwards. You know about in high school. I started Learning Electric Guitar and I became a big fan of Jimi Hendrix Carlos. Santana I wanted to figure out how I could interpret for those artists and those rhythms to my instrument that I was most comfortable with which was the violin. And that's how it led to me creating uh-huh uh-huh you. Yeah and Go ahead. Yeah it is not ooh Yeah odd yeah go on all right brother you back with us. Oh yes it is time. It is daytime here. It is breath it took uh and a few days we are going to be looking at a new decade if you can believe it and the twenty first century if you can believe it but we still have unfortunately this ugly serpent called racism that just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger because people keep feeding it. That's why it keeps getting bigger and bigger when you see things happening like this next article. You know that nobody's really trying trying to kill the serpent call. Racism nobody really is speaking. In general. There are those of us that are fighting against it every day. So don't think that I'm including those folks in in that statement I'm not but an Iowa woman was charged with attempted murder after running over a fourteen in year. Old Girl saying she did so because the teenager was a Mexican. Police said unbelievable. And I'm going to put the Lady's name out the I don't care outside cited in the article. It cited in the article Nicole Marie Pool Franklin forty forty two was arrested on other charges and Thursday. Admitting to Clive police she hit the girl with her vehicle on December nine according according to a news release from the Police Department Clive's about nine miles from des Moines des Moines Iowa. The girl was walking to Indian hills junior high when a vehicle drove into the sidewalk ran over her and left the scene. The release said in the child says this quote. I don't remember the impact. I just remember the car coming towards me quote. The girl told. CNN affiliate K.. C. C. I. T. V.. She added that she had been going to a basketball game quoting. I didn't do anything I'm I'm just a girl. Walking to a basketball game in quote luckily officials said the girl was able to return to school one week after after the incident according to C. N. N. affiliate W. O.. It be CNN. CNN is not naming the girl because she is a minor owner exactly right during her interview with the Texas Pool. Franklin resident said she was the driver ever and intentionally struck the girl because she was in quote a Mexican police said Pool Franklin then made a serious series of derogatory statements about Latinos in quote. Police said so. You see in the report. So that's right there. So as far as I'm concerned I mean they're they're CNN is quoting the police report. So I don't care that we've named her screw it not neither so so you see the serpent keeps keeps growing because people like this fool. Keep feeding it. I have no idea where she gets her her Amos for arm to do this or you know what prompted her to do this other than just appear racism. I have a pretty good idea. President trump so much about playing in my game it. Maybe maybe a three I wouldn't. I would try not to laugh after the helium comments from one of the individuals board the other day ordinary mix. That's Okay Fordham Habits as you are. I'm sorry not a problem This next they did of racism Comes to us for Manitoba and you. You know I've I've had something similar happen and me over my life and I'm not surprised that it still happens. But the headline is you're not welcome. Here Winnipeg couple told they look like these it asked to leave. Winnipeg frat store yeah. I'll has raised up all over over native eight of twitter and everywhere else does raise. War wanted to see changes changes in how retail employees interact with indigenous people this was written by Holly Karak for. CBC News Winnipeg Woman Hoping to buy a Christmas gift for her grandmother at a craft store at Christmas gift earlier this week but was told she wasn't welcome to shop in the store desert different one. Okay go ahead. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA WE'RE GONNA have a third one then I'm GonNa get an IV another article go ahead. Sorry Desharnais mckeever and her partner. Were out shopping pink on Monday afternoon and stopped at the Michael Store on Regent Avenue West quoting. We weren't even in the door for about five seconds and this this lady approached us and I thought it was going to be the usual pay. Do you need any help or assistance said McKee wore a member of the sack king. First Nation. Hope I pronounce that right. I'm sorry if I mispronounced it quoting. She said well you're not welcome. CBS and you guys have to leave in quote. I was in complete shock. I couldn't believe what she said. And that was making ebor commenting again again. mckeever who was eight months pregnant said. The employee then accused the couple of stealing from the stores earlier. That day and quoting again Ganci said right to my face. You guys look like people who robbed us this morning in quote. She said quoting again. It was humiliating because everybody in the stores stop stop staring at US and quote make Ebor said they tried to explain to the ploy to the employee. Excuse me that they had never been to the store. Before but the employee insistent they leave and rightly the lady felt she had no rights. mckeever said they asked to speak to a manager. In the PLO- employees said that she was a manager so they decided to leave the store which was probably a good idea when Mickey was partner called the store from the parking lot and asked for a general manager to try and make a formal complaint that manager then admitted the employees. Louis Made Ma- made a mistake. They called it. Mickey Wore said Okay quoting they just apologized and said we can shop get a discount for the day but at that point who wants to spend your hard earned money when somebody just basically straight out called your thief in quote and of course the spokesperson for Michael said the chain is committed to treating customers dignity and respect but would not elaborate on the store policies surrounding. I'm these kinds of events for said what recourse customer has if they feel. Mistreated voting the the manager Jour- a public relations. We are open to all and not and do not excuse tolerate discrimination against any guests or team member member and take any conduct. Contrary very seriously and quote said Mallory Smith Manager of Public Relations. At Michael's you guys got to remember Michael Right Right now. Is the leading craft store. I would say in the in the country and you know now obviously cross borders but anyway go ahead breath now the rest of this will be in the show. It's worth a read because they walk among us every day. This crap happens every single day if I have been victim to stupidity like this in my lifetime at at least once that I can remember it happens every freaking day so for those people people that are walking around with blinders on saying all. This doesn't happen. You need to you know either. Clean your blinders or removed. Dan Or something happened to one. Lead you by the hand and show you that this. This stuff actually happens. We almost got the explicit tag. There for you know you know your estate fairbrother. That's true no worries so oh you know this this stuff happens folks and I i. The sad thing is is that it's commonplace. That's the most sad thing I've said before. Racism in this country with those that are responsible for creating the institution of racism racism. It's as normal to them as taking a breath of fresh air. I kid you not Yup I do. Not here's one more and this one's a little bit different but as bad or not Argue or worse in some ways first of all this is a post from Amanda. Black Horse in Amanda is one of the leading leading activists in the not your mascot work okay factor. She is the primary person who brought the lawsuit against the Washington team. Here's our sheriffs. Wrote on December twenty second. This is on facebook. Sent to me from my my wife quote native jewelers kicked out of native celebration. She writes yesterday. Native American Jewelers Moronic and her Thomson. DNA from Brooklyn New Mexico. Bill Steve La- rats a hope Euler tree lawrence a Hopi Jeweler and and James Tendon time to haunt autumn jeweler were kicked out and humid and humiliated at at the first annual native American celebration in Tube Stone in Tombstone Arizona. This event was hosted by the reenactment guild of America. Full Stop Problem Problem. Aw Anytime you hear reenactment okay all right we. We had one of those types of things. Here you're in my state. It had the academic fee ha just as it sounds letter. F- letter I let her age letter A.. Eh that acronym stood for the Florida Indian Hobbyists Association as you were brother other absolutely no problem all right first of all I most likely going to get mail for bringing on when you hear Lords reenactment guild reenact doors or reenactment okay. These are white people that are through the ethic about their colonial or subtler pasts period. Sometimes it's mixed with fantasy okay. Sometimes these are folks that are you know into dungeons and dragons and stuff okay. But by and large re-enactors re-enactors are people reenacting. America's past such as colonialists wartime reenactments. Okay anything like that. And there's been attempts to embrace native the people as part of that cultural awareness of America's history right. I'm sorry you are in love with a past. That has everything to do with us for the wrong reasons. Okay Send Me Hate Mail. I'll be glad to straighten it out with you back to the article article. Excuse me back to the post by Amanda again. This event was hosted by the reenactment guild of America. And you scream for ice cream. Wait what I should have. Researched the the two organizers better. But that's what she posted. Okay anybody wants to Google it while I'm reading this please by all means but you know especially guy fucks chat you wanna enlighten me. What more on these two organizations but against reenactment of America and you scream for ice cream they are the ones that were putting putting this event on Herbin? Veronica are my aunt and uncle and as for as long as I can remember the thompsons have always been very professional and are very dedicated and talented. DNA silversmiths they've sold their craft all over the United States. It's the thompsons. Were invited to sell their jewelry at the so called native celebration. Most of the event organizers are not native and there were few native boots as soon as they arrived and set up their booth they were told to leave by several white women wearing buckskin and what seemed to be dress up moccasins. They were told quote. Jewelers close quote. We're we're not allowed to set up. At the event and that was the rule V along with three other native jewelers. They were forced to move their table. Canopy and banners two blocks away outside of the festival into the dirt they said many onlookers were astounded and watched as they carry their table away. Some customers customers follow them down to the new setup and bought from them. They're attempting to empathize with them. My aunt cried and my uncle said he had never never seen her so devastated. Onlooker at the event said one or a couple of the women who chased them out worked for a company called Arlene South West in parentheses non-native owner who own a couple quote native close quote galleries in the area and they seeing and they seem to profit immensely off the native designs and native arts and crafts. The onlookers speculated the women were protecting arlene business business by pushing out the competition especially the authentic native jewelers. Apparently the mayor got wind of this and it's seeking to apologize for the women's behavior but my aunt and uncle feel a simple apologies and enough in the thirty years years that they've been selling jewelry. They've never experienced anything like this. The great irony is when actual native people at a native American celebration event are kicked out because they make and sell native things. Perhaps it's history playing out all over again. My Aunt said she felt like she was going on her quote long. Walk close quote as she carried her table down the road. Native people seem to have zero control over their own craft as the native jewelry market is monopolized by whites making millions the ends of dollars off the Labor and Craft of native people and then police where in how real and actual native people doc can sell. She goes on to say share. This post to support indigenous jewelers. Also what you can can do. Call the city of Tombstone at express your concern city of tombstones number. And I'm going to tell you guys now. If you WANNA help in this endeavor area code five two zero four five seven two two zero two it goes on to say one of the are tesions affected requested folks to call the city tombstone and not a not the the Tombstone Chamber of Commerce because the city of tombstone are responsible for permitting. The event meeting issue permits the. CEO's responded to my post and said they are not responsible for the event because they did not host or sponsor at meaning again the Chamber of Commerce what Co Seeming Once again say. The Siasi responded to my post and they said they were not responsible for the event because they did not host your sponsor it a facebook user asked if the company quote our leans close quote note is a member of the C O C. And if they are this issue and our complaints are not misguided I dislike I dislike. I dislike that the native people affected were told. Their claims were quote assumptions. Close quote in again quoting boarding rumors. Close quote. Let's not forget that this actually happened to indigenous artisans and everyone seems to be passing the buck by doing nothing. Nothing to advocate for those affected in their very town and then she is making a small correction here in the poster says I updated to add the other indigenous artists affected by this incident. She wrote so there you go. If anybody's nobody's listening to this show and you happen to live in Arizona area are particular Study of tombstone. Why don't you give that number call raise a little fan raise a little raise a little hell uh-huh that says you scream. I scream is literally nice shot. See what these these people are doing to amend absolutely correct all right the they witnessed larger scale native American powwows that are run in most situations by native American people. A rare exception for a large gathering would be gathering of nations that is not run by native people but has been embraced. I would say largely by the native American community. It it They're trying to capitalize on those forms of successes. Now I know in this article that this was the first Daniel put on by these people. The clearly know nothing about putting an event on at least or you're involving or including native the people number two Orleans or any any native owned business editor are buying product from native people had dirt cheap prices up selling them. In many cases I'm visualizing what this place Arlene looks like thirty to forty percent percent above what they bought it for. You've been found out. Actually it's a lot higher than that in some cases says up there right there right there in your home state brother. They used to be someone that did. Just stand up. You know what I'm talking about. I do down domestic. Yep Yep what mystics Donnington area right on route to. He's no longer here but that's what he did. I hip I called him out on it one day. Oh okay that that individual yes that that is well but there's another one. Oh yes isn't it. I called him out on it. One day I winning there too. That's why you still buy beads at. I was asking about some of the moccasins and he had some in there from my relatives and he was bragging about I go buy them for dirt cheap. Yeah and UH I saw him the prices you see that he felt safe with your brother. It's the black guy until I feel hurt him back and said it and I said you know what I said alter my relatives that you're you're cheating. Yep what do you mean you Are brought and I said those who my relatives and I said you know what I'm going to be calling them when I leave here. And I'm going to put word out on you. And eat a LO and behold. He wasn't carrying those. Those particular crash of there were moccasins for one but he wasn't getting any more from them because I told him what he was doing and that was the end of that for him. Yeah she wrote you scream. Ice Creams literally took him on here. No I didn't I. Ah Okay just catching up again this. Yeah Yup so commercial jingle. You'll scraper ice cream. We're rawls scraper ice cream that's right. That's right Yep Yep so again another example where the titles apropos for this week's episode right so and and and always as a reminder everybody the so so three mortgage apple sadly sadly three more out of thousands mature Well brother it is time for in other news and in other news. This next article is something that I was glad to see and I will mention before I read. This article may be a little uncomfortable for some and may dredge up hurtful memories for others. Please please no. It is not my intention to cause any undue hurt as I bring to awareness baroness's subject that it's been missing from the nation's discourse for reasons I can imagine but reasons unknown please indulge me. Thank you as a professional in the field of natural health in Madison articles. Like this. Catch my attention. Anna Anna catches it quickly. It is not often rarely seen even that articles like this. See the light of day. Eight to provide important crucial information about infant mortality especially among women of color. In this case native women I will also include other women of color who are affected when I speak of infant mortality. As I mentioned a moment ago the reasons why infant infant mortality is not part of the nation's discourse is unknown even in many circles within the medical field children are the futures of any culture no matter what the culture may be without healthy birth rates the effective cultures. Well at some point cease to Oh exist with anybody talapity in an article written by cronkite excuse me. News for Renews Maven Indian country. Today they right. It is a grim statistic and one that often recounted American and women are more likely to die childbirth or pregnancy related causes than other women in the developed world and that is fact proven fact and although recent investigation sub drawn the attention to Congress. Put a national spotlight on the the they say issue. It's a problem especially among black women. Native Americans are are often left out of the conversation quite often the American American Indian women. Excuse me or more than twice as likely to die from pregnancy related causes than white women and lag behind only black women as those most at risk according to federal statistics according to the Center for Disease Control and Prevention and that link. Oh be in the show notes. WWW DOT CDC dot gov and there's a long string after that but we'll get that in the notes. The reason for the overall increase in pregnancy related mortality are unclear identification of pregnancy related deaths. It has improved over time. Due to the use of computerized data linkages by states changes in the way causes of death coated and the addition of pregnancy a pregnancy check box to the death certificate however Ariza reported pregnancy status on death certificates gets have been described. Potentially leading to overestimation of the number of pregnancy related deaths the statistics that that really really stand out are the number of infant related. The pregnancy related deaths For Women of Color earlier. Then there's forty two point four deaths per one hundred thousand live births live births. Excuse me for Black Non Hispanic women thirty point. Four deaths per one hundred thousand live births for American Indian and Alaskan Native Don Hispanic women. Fourteen point one deaths per one hundred thousand four Asian Pacific Islanders Non Hispanic women thirteen per one thousand live births. It's for Non Hispanic White Non Hispanic Women and eleven point three per one hundred thousand live births for Hispanic women. So you see women of Color in general are at the top of that that that statistic in that's something that's not even being discussed not even being discussed why I have no idea in the idea no reasons I can guess but again again the fact that this is not even being addressed as a problem is just another reason and another a tool. That's being used against native peoples specifically people of Color to practice ratification Asian. If you don't care enough to find out why these these infant mortality rates are as high as they are than that means means. You don't care enough to insure that that particular ethnic group survives that is that's shameful. American Indian. Women are more that that more than twice as likely to die from pregnancy related causes than white women breath that is sad and the title of this article as we are on experts. Dula the training for the for the mother's health and for those that aren't familiar with what a Dula is. Please please look it up And you'll be quiet amazed at How important a dualist job is? Excuse me in. The article goes on to read about forty they've Navajo women stand in a circle. Melissa's Muslim Brown and Indigenous Midwife Group to reflect on the day that just ended and the mission steelhead Brown is not a whole should Nabi quoting. We have talked about being safe here. That is our goal old in quotes. He tells them she also states where going to cry. And we're going to laugh. That's okay one by one. The women's share a word. The best captures how they feel happy safe. Joyful supported sovereign brave. These these women are training as dewlaps. Age have no formal medical background but provide guidance for pregnant women up to and through labor and sometimes is beyond the air here in window rock capital of the Navajo nation to learn how to help their own but also to help confront a tragedy plaguing women in Indian country and across the United States. Too many women are dying due to complications from pregnancy agni-ii and childbirth deaths. That should be preventable with the right intervention and care absolutely quoting Miss Brown. My first birth that I had when I was a teenage mother was very traumatic in quote who trains indigenous women. Ns Midwives and Dulas across the United States and Canada quoting again. I didn't understand how my body work. How Labor and delivery worked I was very scared and I didn't have much support in quote? This is a along article and the rest of it will be in the show notes. Please please please read this article. It's very important Enlightening and I promise. I promise you'll learn something from this article. Brother appreciate that a lot of heavy stuff in this episode of the heavy they stopped. Got One more article here Because the stuff isn't changing keep China people know what's going on along with so many other good native journalists out there there you know trying to help elevate their their work on this show so absolutely all right This hard collide Sorta readopt read at the head beginning of the episode so circling back to this now. The title the title reads why has has the Tulsa race massacre been largely forgotten and headed talked about Some uses of ground penetrating radar but L. local back into that again. Mom But the article does I'm here to say using ground penetrating radar scientists in Tulsa Oklahoma recently recently discovered evidence of mass graves connected to the nineteen twenty one race massacre. They're like much of the evidence of of the deadly event. The history of what's been called quote. The single worst incident of racial violence in American history close quote has been buried in the early nineteen twenty s the Greenwood district of Tulsa home to most of the city's black population was a vibrant neighborhood. Good that was so successful. It was known as quote Black Wall Street. Close quote all that changed on May thirty first of nineteen twenty one unproven accusation of an assault by a white woman by a black man. 'cause long bubbling white resentment to boil over into violence. White mobs flooded into Greenwood. Looting homes burning businesses and killing residents by June. I thirty five city blocks had been burned to the ground and thousands were left homeless. The official count tallied thirty cadets but historians now believe the number could have been as high as three hundred. Despite the scale of violence the Tulsa race massacre has been largely forgotten part of the United States history. Many Americans said they first became aware of the incident this year when the HBO Drama Quote Watchmen Close Quote featured a fictionalized reenactment in its premiere episode. A common explanation for the massacre being largely unknown. Is that the people of Tulsa have been hesitant hesitant to talk about it quote for decades it was hush hush close quote. A local journalist said law enforcement assessment and insurance companies mostly declined to act in its aftermath of the attack leaving little leaving leaving little paper trail mix. Excuse me. There was also a widespread effort to strip the historical record of evidence of the event for decades. The event was known as the Tulsa race riot a title seen by many as a euphemism that minimize the true impact act of the rampage. Some historians believed the incident to be one of several that took place during a period of wide Speight. Excuse excuse me. Widespread racial violence after the civil war often omitted because it runs counter to the preferred narrative of black progress in America from slavery through the Civil Rights Movement so that paragraph right there speaks much to what we talk about on this show talk about narrative this whitewashing of American history. That we're just GONNA cover up those bad events. Why not we want? They don't want to revisit those bad events. Those events are very very important. They are extremely and and Because people want that to go away and want people to forget. Some logo is far saying a a stealing. That's what it is. It's our country healing sweeping under the rug. Nothing could be further from the truth. Right right. Healing comes from understanding. You know why they who often uses that term. It's it's a healing process. It's often the perpetrators that used the term. They don't give a crap about the victims or the victims families. All we're just you know we don't WanNa talk about that. We want to heal from this. I wonder why also also give credit credit's due to. I forgot to do that of the head under the so this this was published through Yahoo News on the author and the editor of this piece is Mike beverly's who wrote this Going on here says scientists say further explanation of the possible. Mass grave sites is necessary before they can be excavated. I'm curious to know why they'd excavate them. I don't know if that's in your article here but Goes goes honestly if bodies are found at the sites. DNA tests would be done to determine their identities. Okay that's part of the justification. Local leaders hope to have have the project completed in time for the one hundredth anniversary of the event in two thousand twenty. One interesting thing anniversary win minute. That's what he wrote. I know I'm trying to wrap my head around that anniversary anniversary of the event. Okay they WANNA bear it. They won silence if they want to redefine it change the narrative anniversary. I don't know I just. I can't wrap my head around the the the way they that was phrased it. It doesn't go into what events they talking about for. Twenty twenty one are they. Are they trying to elevate. The actual massacre event are they trying to elevate something historic in Tulsa for example. Yeah yeah that that would need that. We need clarity Goes on here to say a feature film about the massacre in two television series about it Including one produced by won't the Oprah Winfrey are in development but no release dates have been announced for the project Disorder scanning ahead here and as the subtitle of subheading hair perspectives. It says for decades the massacre was mislabeled as a riot pro. The the word riot suggest just something uncontrolled and mindless rather than the very specific targeting. A black a black success. Further by flip flipping victim and perpetrator. These accounts both blamed Black Tulsen's and absolved the white mob. Close quote. Vote Alina Roberts far for the Washington Post. I'm glad she put that in there because I was I was gonNA say the term riot most often is I used in context with people of Color. That's that's the American narrative for the word riot of their added again. The person wrote here so the massacres better known. In the black community quote the bombing of Black Wall Street is common knowledge inch to a large percentage of black folks but apparently it's news to a lot of people who prefer a whitewash sanitized version of American history close quote autism. Speaks to what I said earlier Michael Harriet wrote that for the roots just started scanning down here. Other `nother person wrote fear. Fear forced witnesses into silence. White Shaming guilt coupled with fear of of Prosecution for murder met few talked about what had happened then to African Americans or afraid to speak out because they feared heard retribution. historian Tim Magic in row tat for the Christian. Science Monitor interesting stuff. Yeah so I mean we. I'll just conclude by saying this really it again. It's about the will to whitewash right down the will to whitewash mm-hmm because that really that that's that's what we're talking about WanNa talk about that native genocide right part of our history and you know that that's that's kind of that's kind of attitude When rarely it needs to be taught in schools and again you can? You can massage it for in all make it age appropriate but but it's not talked about are not taught. Shall I say whatsoever so that that really needs to change if if there is to be true. Healing apparently skype dropped. My brother let me just Calandra reconnect to him here in a moment but but just to finish that thought you know. Mark Charles spoke of this often in many of his many many of his addresses and lectures To to folks talk about Well you know if you want healing if you want a have to come from an acknowledgement of these these events of history that include very much indigenous people obviously also broader People of Color in general. See if I can get dave back here. Internet's being wonky today for many of us had appears apologized for the positive. What's going on today? The blame skype and rant about about skype or if it's an internet problem by mark all right is not connecting so Dave I don't know if you're listening to the extreme but I'm not able to connect your skype again for some reason so but really oh. That's okay folks because that really was the end of the show for today So I think think I will go ahead and close us out But we do appreciate you guys listening. 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Blue Apron CEO; Republican Suburban Women Share Thoughts On Trump

"From NPR and Wbz I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here and now Vice President Mike Pence speaks at the Republican. National. Convention tonight. Last night. First Lady Melania trump broke with other speakers and acknowledged the racial strife in the country as well as deaths from the coronavirus. I want to acknowledge the fact that since March. Lives have changed drastically. Visible enemy covid nineteen. Swept across. Our beautiful country. And impacted all of us. My deepest sympathy goes out to everyone. WHO has lost a loved one. And my prayers of those who are ill or suffering. Joining us now is NPR White House correspondent Hammer Keith ten the first lady spoke from the White House Rose Garden, which is unusual and president trump's staged a naturalization ceremony in the White House. Last night for this convention he also gave a surprise pardon to convicted bank robber who's turned his life around. Tell us about the unprecedented use of the White House and presidential power in a very political convention. A complete and total blurring of the official and the political. You had the White House at the White House the President conducting this naturalization ceremony yesterday as we understand it during the day than the White House posted the video to the White House Youtube page that video was then picked up and aired as part of the RNC convention it. It is unusual. It is unheard of there is a law called the Hatch Act that is meant to prevent the blurring of these lines and prevent public officials from doing. Electoral politics on on government time and and using government resources the the White House is trying to skirt around these rules. We should just say that. President trump and his staff have have been accused of violating the hatch. Act many times before during his administration and and they've largely just brushed it off. And on that note, by the way, there was another speech last night that's raising some Red Flags Democrats in Congress. Say They will investigate Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, forgiving a political speech to the convention from an official diplomatic mission overseas listen I'm speaking to you from beautiful Jerusalem looking over the Old City. I have a big job. At Susan's husband Nick's Dad. Susan and Nick are more safe and their freedoms more secure because president trump has put his America first vision into action. May Not have made in popular in every foreign capital but it's worked. TIMRA secretaries of state don't speak at political conventions. A purposely avoid it. They sometimes go to other parts of the world to be nowhere near the convention of course, Secretary of State Pompeo was in Jerusalem, and the State Department has said that no official resources were used for that video and as you heard there, he said my job is to be Susan's Husband in Nick's Dad Wink wink nod nod. To say, no, I'm not here as the Secretary of state I'm just here is a guy. You know this is just yet another example of the blurring of these lines and you know there's a reason why secretaries of state have have avoided this, which is that you know politics is supposed to stop at the water's edge there you know the the the the State Department. Frequently, tells other countries that they shouldn't have this sort of use of the apparatus of government for politics and yet here it was happening. What does Mike Pence the vice president to do tonight he of course, has led the coronavirus task force in more than one hundred and seventy eight thousand Americans have died from the disease so far. Yeah and he'll be speaking from Fort McHenry in Baltimore, which is the site of the battle that inspired Francis Scott key to write the star spangled banner. He is. Vice President and people generally know him the thought is that he may. Try to show a little more teeth or or a little more criticism of of former vice president biden and his running mate we will. We will see what that speech actually contains. But You know a Mike Pence is not traditionally known as as the attack dog of the administration. Traditionally, president trump has just taken that on his own with relish. We'll, and we'll probably hear from president trump again as we have the last couple of nights keith. Surprise. That's right. It will be a surprise. Tamra. Thank you. You're welcome. Let's go now to Kenosha Wisconsin where two people were killed and a third injured last night at a protest Jacob Lake, a black man who was shot by police as he was reaching into his car where his three young children were waiting for him. Blake alive. But partially paralyzed in the city of Kenosha is in the midst of unrest and for more let's bring in Alderman Anthony Kennedy who represents the tenth district of Kenosha Alderman thank you for being here. Thank you for the opportunity. And last night as as I mentioned, we saw another night of protests two people were shot and killed and a third injured hearing There were protests earlier in the day a peaceful march and a protest near the courthouse, and then later in the night, another more chaotic scene after that eight PM curfew tell us what you know. I was able to witness a good deal of that second incident in the evening my friends, Ray, Roberts, and my friend county board supervisor Andy Bird set up A. facebook live feed where they were discussing issues and bringing up different feeds that see what was going on in the city of Kenosha and one of the feeds they brought up showed the situation just about twenty to thirty seconds before the shooting happened, there was a confrontation in that confrontation. See People coalescing around that. You hear the shots fired and see. that. That little crowd disperse and the shooter walks. Past the person who is filming and. Close to a up the street, he trips falls the crowds that was near them starts to converge on Him. The person started shooting from the ground and I saw this as it was happening because of the feed that my friend Ray Roberts Andy were broadcasting, there were no Kenosha police officers in the vicinity they're line that they had set up was about four five blocks to the north of where this was happening So any narrative that talks about the Kenosha police were involved in this or complacent or allowed to happen. That is a weaponization of information that is literally GonNa Destroy My neighborhood. You said that you're heartbroken over what is happening there in Kenosha Blake sister his has said. This is nothing new though she's not sad she's actually angry and protesters have said this to. You've been in. One of the tenth district since two, thousand eight, where is the breakdown between police and communities there that protesters are contending and and do you feel a sense of responsibility in this at all as an Alderman? As a city Alderman, I absolutely feel a sense of responsibility I am part of the system it would be A. Falsehood for me to try to divorce myself from this watching the video of Mr Blake and his engagement with my police department was absolutely heartbreaking. There is no way you have any kind of humanity. And not be affected by that shock. Disbelief disbelief because the Police Department that is being pictured on that. Video Is a disconnect foam, the men and women that I have worked with WHO I have asked to help improve quality of life of my constituents for the last twelve years the people who It was almost as if I'm watching a fiction and. That was not an indication of what I thought I might police department was about. Alderman. There has been though a contentious relationship between Kenosha police and residents. There was another death that rocked Kenosha sixteen years ago the death of Michael Junior. He was a twenty one year old white man who was also shot by police and because of that incident Michael Bell's father pushed for reforms that now. Where the state to investigate cases involving Kenosha police. Do you have faith in that process. I have respect for what Mr Bell. Done. Taken a tragedy that I, I cannot imagine any father. WHO's their son? And he's taken that tragedy and he has made some reforms happened in the state of Wisconsin and I thank Mr Belfer that effort because we I think we are in a better place because of it. In a better place but the call from protesters is more they want more to happen. This is this is a small city with one hundred, thousand people I can hear in your voice that you feel a tremendous amount of sadness about what's happening to your community. But what conversations or actions do you see coming out of what's happening now? What do you want to see happen? One. And this might be Pollyanna Pie in the sky but. I have been accused by the people I have engaged in the in the neighborhood in the community that I'm a liar that I am the puppet for the system. I work at a certain level I don't have the luxury of just being angry I have to be angry an productive and I'm GONNA ask my constituents to please join me in that. That was Anthony Kennedy Alderman for the Tenth District in Kenosha Wisconsin where people were killed and a third injured last night at a protest over the shooting of Jacob Lake. At last night's Republican National Convention, Culturally Conservative women were, front and center with strong opinions against abortion bathroom bills for transgender students and a general appeal by first lady Melania trump to the mothers of this country. To mothers and parents everywhere your warriors. In my husband, you have a president who will not stop fighting for you and your families. But polls show a significant portion of women have deserted trump a recent NPR PBS Newshour Mayor's poll released in June shows sixty, six percent of women disapprove of the president. I connected with two longtime supporters of the president who believe despite the polls that trump actually does have a second chance Susan, Sherman of Lake Mary Florida, just outside of Orlando and Sonia mcmasters of round rock. Texas a suburb just outside of Austin I started by asking Susan, what issues are top of mind for her and her neighbors. Well, many issues for myself in those in the central Florida A lot of their issues is the country may be turning towards socialism concern defending the police. Rioting, happening. So there's there's different topics that have truly have come up since covid. Never really heard anyone really talk about these three until after covert really started. Do you see those talking points is really showing the reality the truth of where this country is headed and really the conversations that are being had about defunding police organizations your against defunding the police. But president trump has also had in his twenty nineteen budget plan. The trump administration was proposing a nearly fifty percent cut to the COPS hiring program, which hires local police officers. We hear that in his twenty twenty, one budget plan there also plans for cuts. What do you say to that? He has to do it budget just like anyone else. So if he has to. Reduce that budget and move it to other areas then. It's just like running a business with that being said, then has to go back to your state your county in your city to do their budgeting Sonia do you want to weigh in here city of Austin defended our police department in the city of Austin already in their budget? We've had major riots in Austin and then they get matt because they want protection while they're doing this. But you mentioned Austin City Council cut the police department budget by one third they did not defined the entire police department and so in thinking about that I mean, I'm thinking about how polarized we are as Americans. And the conversations that we're having seemed to be we're we're we're not talking to each other even though we're talking about the same things I, mean, this is one example of this. Do you see what I'm saying here? It I I can see your point on that, but at the same time. They want money taken away from the police department they really don't WanNa Police Department 'cause they WANNA do whatever they want. They want to go back to the olden days of the Wild Wild West that is my opinion on it. May Not be everybody else's opinion but I respect my police department. Sonia some are calling this election a referendum on how President trump has handled the pandemic in the US There are more than five million cases now, more than one, hundred, seventy, five, thousand people have died. And the president has gone back and forth on mask-wearing as a means of protection. Are you happy with trump's response to this health crisis? Oh. Yes I'm very happy because. You gotta remember we survived the swine flu. We survived the Spanish flu we have survived. Other flus that have surpassed in here and we've never had to treat it the way me tweeting this one Yeah it's good to be careful. But at the same time we gotta move on and we gotTA survive out of it So what you're saying there though I mean the swine flu, some would argue it was the the measures that the Obama administration took to stop that from becoming a pandemic. What are your thoughts on this? China is already up and running in with walking around with no masks and stuff. So. I know in the future it's GonNa. Come. For us. Susan I heard you agreeing with Sonia on this point. That we have been in this position somewhat before and that we are able to survive it. But to what Sonia, saying though about other places, the differences is that leaders in those countries took swift action. Are You satisfied with the way that the president has handled this pandemic to be quite honest we still don't know the numbers every day they come out different if it's a false positive if it's positive. So my concern is, what are the numbers of how many are truly new testing being done I think we're doing the right things that we need to but yes, I think the administration is doing right with the numbers in with the information that they ever receiving. Susan you're the president of the suburban Republicans. Women's Club does trump's assertions that we need to defend the suburbs an idea that was reiterated on the first night of the RNC by the mccloskey's resonate with you and if so why what does suburban living mean to you? So how I would put it for the State of Florida in particular is. We have a thousand people moving to Florida a day. So when you have a thousand people moving into Florida Day, it is concerned because now we're going to need more housing. We're going to need more apartments are more single family homes. The individuals or families that are moving from the bigger cities are moving from New York New Jersey California. So they're moving from democratic states into the state of Florida, and so with that comes different different views of what that would look like somewhat say this definition though and what you're trying to protect is the idea of an all white suburb I mean is racial diversity. What you're protecting the suburbs from. I don't I don't view it as race I view it as the ideology wouldn't when others are coming from other states what their views are and how it will affect our our state or county in our cities doesn't matter. Mace, it's more of how we will change our school districts. We have great school district's here here in some county. So when you bring that ideology and it's going to stir it up and that's the change that they're afraid of Sony. I think I heard you try to pipe in their former yes. What what were you saying? Yeah, I highly agree with what her response on this because I'm GonNa Tell You I. Am a Hispanic Latina woman. We are in the state of Texas. Still seen a lot of people moving from California State of Washington Illinois. A lot of people of those states are moving to Texas and they are going to need housing and not tell you from experience I said I sit on the Housing Authority board in town that I live in and I see how hard it is for us to try to. Help the needy and at the same time. When you have a little town, the doesn't have no more boundaries to grow on how are these people are going to find places to live Sonya I wanna ask you more about that because the suburb you live in is just outside of Austin you grew up by the border. What's your opinion about the trump immigration policy and calls to make a wall I mean, what do you want to see him do? I want that wall to completely protect the United States it's not for reasonings of. Trying to separate two countries from each other I wanted to separate the criminals from coming into our country. The thing that hurts me the most is that. The media surpasses this to become a crazy wild thing when it not it's not what you mean by that people are willing to comply I mean I've seen pictures and videos of people that are waiting in Arizona waiting in new. Mexico, waiting in the borders cities. Texas where they're waiting for their documents, they're filling out their documents to get permission to come across instead of doing it illegally. Susan I. Hear you agreeing in part to what Sonia has said I want to also ask you more about. Trump's statements. So we've heard from some GOP voters who are turned off by President Trump's twitter specifically, the company itself has had to flag many of his statements as inflammatory or misleading. How do you feel about? His twitter. Account. I do hear that all the time. I actually even have a lot of voters to say they don't want to vote for him just because the twitter. And, I, and I always tell everyone when when you vote you, Oh should have three issues of whoever you're choosing because you're never gonNA, have a perfect candidate and that's only one issue. Twitter in my opinion, he uses because he gets so frustrated with the other side trying to make. Laws passed make deals work whatever it happens to, and he gets so frustrated. They don't work that he uses twitter and it's Kinda like here. Let me throw something out there that you can talk about this via get something done. Is there any part of you? That thinks that what he says on twitter is representative of his ability to lead. I think any I mean he's a human being just like all of us and we can say we to say. He can use twitter just as much as you and I can use twitter. Do I think. He should maybe back off little. Yes. Does need to be using it every day should responding to everything no. But using it cutting him off completely I would say now for both of you, you know in the end when Americans cast their ballots, this November they're voting for for what they want the future to be. So for both of you, what is the America you want to see and I'll start with you Sonya I want everybody to stop aiding each other when they don't need to hate. Each Other Susan I agree with that that we still have our free speech we still have our second amendment and everyone that lives here can live their dreams. They have the ability, no matter, their background, their race, their culture, any of that does not matter. Everyone should have the right to provide for their families to give their children whatever they desire but Susan Sherman of Lake Mary Florida. And Sonia mcmasters of Round Rock Texas. Thank you both for taking the time with us today. Thank you Tanya. Thank you Tanya we. that. Idaho lawmakers are back at the Capitol today after police, they're wheeled anti-government activists, Ammon Bundy out of the complex yesterday in an office chair he's been charged with trespassing and resisting and obstructing officers all amid protests over the state's special legislative session related to the coronavirus pandemic NPR's Kirk. siegler is in Boise Kirk people remember 'em, and Bundy for his armed occupation of that wildlife refuge in. Oregon in two thousand and sixteen reminders of who he is and how he's connected to these recent protests. Well, right Bundy. was acquitted for his role in leading that forty one day armed siege that you mentioned of Federal Bird Sanctuary not far from here over in Oregon and also a separate but related case over an armed standoff near his family's ranch in Nevada collapsed and mistrial so. Jeremy, he's free and you might say emboldened and the pandemic has really brought new life into his so-called Patriot movement that he is a leader of you know they're always looking for something that's perceived as government overreach. So bundy who lives in Idaho now has been leading all kinds of controversial protests lately since the lockdowns hit disrupting a public meeting in defiance of mask orders trying to get the governor here recalled over a statewide stay at home order implemented and when the. Legislature met in special session. As you mentioned this week here was Bundy saying his people and their voices were being shut out well and his arrest or his his being wheeled out. I suppose his being wheeled out of xactly of the complex yesterday was after things got out of hand earlier this week on Monday protesters who were not wearing masks for covid nineteen pushed through police to get into the legislative chamber glass door was broken and it was caught on video listen to this. This is our house. What were these people protesting? Well right and Bundy was front and center there. It's sometimes an open question and never black and white to be honest with Bundy But there were a lot of anti sers, conspiracy theorists of which there are many in Idaho remember the state is famous for far-right extremism and there are plenty of far-right elected officials here who would sympathize with Bundy to sum it up the main. The main thing they seem to have wanted is the state to not be able to enforce corona virus restrictions. And did the police just stand by and let this happen earlier this week initially sort of, but you keep mentioning the wheeling you know it was a chaos and disorder and there was pressure to do something by yesterday even a lot of the Republican leaders here seemed pretty furious. So at one point, the House Speaker ordered a hearing room to be cleared and most of those protesters you heard there in civil disobedience they left but there was Bundy and two others they refused to leave. He was sitting at a table that was ordinarily reserved for press and it's Truly bizarre scene he was on this swivel office chair and the state police came over handcuffed him to the chair, moved them out to an elevator, wheeled him down to the first floor and literally right out onto the street and into a squad car that was waiting for them, and so then he was transferred, of course booked into the local county jail. So just a few seconds left here but what is the legislature trying to do this week and is this putting pressure on them to not do it or to do do it more? Puzzling me because some of the bills that are going to consider you might expect the far-right with like including one that would strip authority away from local health districts to enforce things like mass restrictions and other things and give that back to local school boards, and the governor has for the most part. A lot of the restrictions have been lifted. That is NPR's Kirk Siegler in Boise. Kirk. Thank you. There are some companies that have actually done better during the pandemic than before think. For example or the meal Kit Delivery Company. Blue Apron has so many more people are cooking at home. It reported ten percent profit growth in the second quarter this year compared to the same period last year blue apron president, and CEO Linda Finley Kozlowski joins us on skype is part of view from the top our series of conversations with leaders Linda welcome and for people who have never used a meal kit delivery service tell US briefly how blue apron works It's interesting because I think a lot of people giving kids are still so new are quite clear exactly what they're four or they they they wonder is it just really about convenience or not going to the store and the reality is the reason people find meal kits attractive actually sorta falls into three buckets. One is is meal planning. It's actually the primary reason that people. Find our kids to be very attractive. Is Because that stress over four PM? What are we going to have for dinner tonight families argue about the time feeling like they're in a right so it's really just helping with that planning and removing that stress with with really great recipes that provide a lot of variety for your family or your loved ones that you're cooking with. Number two is actually about Canadian said having some of the best ingredients delivered straight to your door. We have very very high sourcing standards and were directly with producers to make sure that you're getting quality food, and then the final piece is actually lack of food waste your a lot of complaints from people that in their homes, they bought too many carrots for her recipe and they don't know what to do with the rest of them. They wind up throwing out too much food that feels really stressful of the reality is there's a lot of food waste in the industry. In general. So we've really focused on reducing the food weights spoke in our supply chain, and then also in people's homes. So you're getting great meals but you're not feeling like you're having to buy a giant jar of sauce for something where you only might need a small amount or or buying too much produce that goes bad to quickly at the same time you you say you're reducing food waste. There's also the issue of packaging though and I know that this is something that's come up over the years with blue. Apron, how much of your packaging at this point is recyclable? More than eighty percent of our packaging is recyclable and reusable, and we continued to optimize that and try to make more and more of it. Recyclable but the interesting part about it is the University of Michigan study that actually found that even with the packaging were still a third lower carbon footprint than a going to the grocery store because of not just food waste, but the packaging in the supply chain as well of traditional grocery. So even though we continue to strive to make the packaging better and we are participating in the how to recycle grandma, I, get to do that. We are actually seeing benefits already from the fact that we have narrowed down our who'd waste and our packaging quite a bit. What about the fact that China for example is not taking a are recycling anymore after that two thousand, eighteen banner you confident that the packaging that that you give people that is recyclable doesn't just up in a landfill somewhere our hope is to make sure that. Are Really doing everything they can to continue recycling programs and we big advocates for making sure that we're keeping all recycling channels been not just frankly for blue apron materials. But for materials in general, you know as people are buying more at home from the pandemic, we are seeing more packaging out there. There's another part to recycling though that's really important education about how to recycle, which is why we've participated in this program because many people don't even know. That things that say they're compostable aren't always compostable based on different city and county regulations in different programs. So we WANNA make sure that people know how to make sure that their materials get to recycling effectively Okay and then you mentioned the carbon footprint let me just press you on that for a second because obviously the things that are being delivered to your customers have to be moved from from one place to another year saying that even given that. There's still a lower carbon footprint from blue apron products than if you went to the grocery store, right. So that's again the the independent study that was done by the University of Michigan last year that that actually traced including the transportation aspect of it. Because again, think about the food that comes into the grocery supply chain does need to be transported as well. But food waste really is the biggest culprit and a big part of what we do is because we use technology to understand exactly what people are ordering. We can source exactly what's needed for the. Same customers exactly what they need. If there is any overage, we offer that first employees through a farmer's market program, and then the rest goes to donations city harvest to make sure that it's feeding people directly. How has your supply chain been affected by the pandemic? So because we have such a very tight supply chain. have people ways that we can be flexible if we need to based on availability and freshness of ingredients because of the fact that we are using fresh ingredients in our realities, we wanna make sure that if something isn't the best quality that we can adapt the recipe and switch to a different ingredient that flexibility has worked well for us during the pandemic because we're able to manage to work with our suppliers to make sure. That we have minimal disruption in our supply chain. What we're particularly proud of is because of the quality of ingredients that we source, we have long standing relationships with suppliers and also audit them for the same safety and sanitation standards that we have in our facilities, which is extremely high, and so we're very confident that we're able to manage through that the fluctuations in supply chain without impacting the quality what we send that the customers. So we mentioned that you've seen a revenue growth this year especially as more people have been cooking at home during the pandemic. Do you think that your growth will sustain after life returns to normal which I assume at some point it will. Let's hope that it does return to listen as possible. What we're hearing from our customers what we're also seeing that third party research out there is that habits are changing. And what people have been doing during pandemic. I, cooking at home more etc. At least a third of people planned to continue to cook at home even more so than they did during the pandemic, even after things start to open up again, they started to see value in the connection with family and the the cost savings that comes from cooking at home, and so all the research points to the fact that people will continue to cook at home more after the pandemic even they did during the pandemic beforehand. So the meal Kit Industry is getting a busier as you know, you've got hellofresh played Sun Basket Purple Carrots just to name a few what do you have to do at Blue Apron to stand apart from the competition? So we feel very confident that one of our best assets is our culinary authority. So the reality is we constantly create new recipes. We have an in house team of culinary experts that really know how to layer flavor. We're able to include more unique ingredients in our kits that you might find it more specialty stores if you were actually shopping for them and more unique ingredients than than what we necessarily see from our competitors, you can layers of flavor in your recipes, really high quality proteins. That meet high animal welfare standards great quality produce the kids beyond that. We try to give people a lot of choice when it comes to flexibility around what their health needs are. We offer different sort of low carb options of we're partnered with the American Diabetes Association ww. We also offer Mediterranean options that people can use to mix and match choose their own path when it comes to health and enjoyment. So even if you're being healthy, you don't feel like you're sacrificing anything in the process. So I have I have a question just out of curiosity and I'm sure that you have the answer although maybe not at your fingertips but I'll try anyway, what is the most popular recipe what are Americans into these days when it comes to Blue Apron. That's actually a very interesting question. So we are known for our burgers. the combination of the quality of the meat that we use as well as the the rest of these techniques were were big believers in not just giving you what you need in order to make something teaching you how to make it better and we definitely have some really great potato bonds that we. Back in as well, I will say it is interesting during the pandemic you're seeing a mix of people wanting to look at some comfort foods that you are seeing a lot of pastas, noodles, and that sort of thing. Then also a lot of people during the summer are very focused on health and so are fish dishes are some of the best dishes out there in it's one of those dishes where people feel really confident cooking fish. After using our box. So we're seeing an interesting split in our customers where. The comfort food side of the menu and the health side of the menu are getting a lot of love. In the process and what's the thing that probably will have to come off the menu because nobody wants it. Well, we try not to have too many of those things because we do collect quite a bit of data and we really focused on our customer reviews. We continue to adapt our recipes based on that but honestly, there's not many things on the menu that have to come off at this point because we're were pretty good about managing that based on customer reviews are our customers love our product and they also tell us when they don't like a recipe as much. That is Linda. Findlay Kozlovsky, the president and CEO of blue. Apron. Thank you so much for joining. US. Thank you. I thought she was going to say something involving Brussels sprouts although Brussels sprouts are hot now. So people like. A. At, least five states have rolled out APPs to help people alert their contacts, they've contracted covert nineteen. Twenty states and territories plan to release their own APPS covering forty five percent of the US population that's according to Google which helped develop this technology. The I called covert. Made a debut in Virginia earlier this month and let's bring in Jeffrey Fowler Technology columnist for The Washington Post with more high Jeffrey. Hi there. So you and your team of staffers at the Washington Post have been testing this APP covert wise and how is it supposed to work? Does it seem like it does what it's promising to do? Well, the idea is that if you run this APP in the background on your phone. It just is running all the time and it's keeping track of other people that you come in contact with within at least six feet for fifteen minutes, and if one of them later gets a positive krona virus diagnosis, the system will anonymously send an alert and you'll get to know on your phone that maybe you should get a coronavirus test as well. That is the honest. It's like the world's most stressful. Kind of alert, you could possibly get from your phone says you may have been exposed. The big question is, of course, does it work and the truth is we still don't really know. Thirty five Washington Post. Staffers and this data Virginia that were. Helping me test this APP. And over two week period. None of them got any alerts now that could just mean that. Washington Post efforts. We're doing a very good job of remaining socially distant that could also mean. That just not enough people out there have been using the APP yet for people to be exposed to to folks who might. Get a positive coronavirus. Diagnosis so we just don't know. Yeah. These apps used technology from apple and Google but they were developed for public health agencies. Where is the data going? Are you confident that tech companies are keeping their word about not using this technology to track users for ads and those sorts of things? Yeah that is kind of the core question. Here I think the real stumbling block to people in the United States in particular brawl around the world to trusting these sorts of APPs is that we don't really trust either. The government to track. US. And with good reason, right I mean we learned from Edward Snowden that the government tracks the lives of citizens in lots of ways people might not like and we've all learned from using facebook and watching Mark Zuckerberg in front of Congress that tech companies aren't to be trusted either I'm someone as a columnist for the post to recommends being very wary about installing apps and browsers might track you. But in this case, I was very pleasantly surprised we looked beneath the the code on. These APPS and they're actually not collecting any information about your location at all. Instead, they're using this really kind of sophisticated trick of using the Bluetooth signals on your phone to keep track of who you you might come nearby and then deleting that record after fourteen days. Okay. So then I mean on the other hand, you also right that the focus on privacy also means health officials get almost no useful data from these APP. So can they be used for contact tracing in this way? Yeah, that's been one of the most controversial elements of these APPs among public health officials say, okay at best this is an individual alert system might let you know as individual you should go get tested, but it doesn't really help public health officials as a whole figure out where hot spots are and also do what's called contact tracing right where they go and they find the exact individual people who might have been exposed. These APPs can't let them do any of that in fact when you get an alert. Through one of these exposure notification APPs you won't it won't tell you when exactly it happened or where exactly it happened or who you might have been exposed to. It just lets you know that that you should go get a test. Okay. You mentioned how you and your colleagues have used this APP. These APPS are supposed to encourage people who might have been exposed to someone with the virus to go get tested. Is there any evidence that they're pushing people to get tested who wouldn't otherwise have done so? So far the state of Virginia hasn't reported. How many cases that they think where people who? Got Notified through the APP, they've said that about ten percent of the state of Virginia of the adults in the state now have the APP running and some scientists estimated would actually take up to sixty percent of the population for to really be effective. So that's part of the. We just don't know part of this equation and it raises for some folks a what I think is an important question like if this technology is unproven. Why are we all installing it on our phones? Why do we believe that phones can actually help us combat the coronavirus and look I? Think those are important questions to ask but the truth is we're now at a point where a half dozen states have invested in this technology, they've made these apps through their state health departments and so you know my advice to folks is if it's available, let's give it a try and let's find out because at this point, the money has been spent and we might learn something and you know if you or just a couple of people do get these notifications I'm sure you'll be glad you got it. That's Jeffrey Fowler Technology columnist for The Washington Post. Thank you so much thing. And here now is a production of NPR, in, WB you are in association with the BBC World Service I'm Tanya Moseley I'm Jeremy Hobson this is here and now.

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Shutting Down Society ... and for What? | 4/8/20

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Shutting Down Society ... and for What? | 4/8/20

"Great is here on the Fleas Radio Network. Welcome to Greek. W with this triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three also at pat unleashed on twitter at all kinds of stuff for your great show lined up so much so much going on. It's it's always hard to know where to start lately. But I would like to hear from people who have either contracted this virus or know somebody who has and what you went through because we just heard from Frayo who had a rough time of it. Frito went through some stuff. I guess with this he was he was actually. He said he was actually scared. When he contracted this disease and he was really seriously sick and he got a call from a doctor friend. Guess and the doctor friend said Hey need to keep moving the virus Makes you want to lie down and what it does get into your lungs and and so you need to move around and I guess that's what he did so we'd like to hear about your experiences. Also how long? How long do you think he can hold out with things shutdown Allen? Can you shelter in place? How long can you quarantine at home before you go stark raving mad? Yeah what do you miss the most about normal life? Gosh it seems like so long ago when we actually had a normal life. I'll say that when my house is sufficiently rearranged in cleaned organized It'll be time because it's getting close. Yeah it is for me to really close a and I'm able to leave every day. Yeah I know for people can't and they have nowhere to go. It's got to be really excruciating. Pat Gray unleashed is sponsored by express. Vpn By the way surf the web with peace of mind sign up now to express VPN dot com slash unleashed We have a kid in in Greece. He seven years old and he's a piano prodigy and he wrote a tune he wrote a song composition to Kinda help people get through this time period. Kind of Nice kids pretty talented and This is his his contribution to the world. Check this out actually. Pretty darn good they have this. Schiavone noise talking gibberish. What is he doing there? I don't know I don't know Kinda dampens. The message read out of the Gate Right Com. Whatever whatever just play the piano. Get a haircut Seven years old. This kid Just pisses me off now. Kids seven years old. I mean Stelios Kerr CDs seven years old. I mean I mean it's okay if you're into it. I guess I run a little composition in my own on the way in workers this morning. Okay fickle shirt with you now because You know he's not the only one that can read a composition about About what's going on. We have a piano out here in the hallway. Did Juliette that in here. Don't have time to get that cove in nineteen nineteen ruined our economy and caused quarantine starts with some coughing and then a high fever so don't eat the bat meat and please don't eat be her beavers. Don't don't eat beaver. Okay tell me. That's not better than that. Potential seven-year-old year old snot faced Brad. Tell me dummy I mean sorry. I don't have a Stein way. Baby Grand in here company me but To play the composition game. Okay yeah real good to do can contribute to society Tiny little fingers going up and down that Piano Keyboard Brat. You know the next step so cool you should try out for American idol. See what they have to say about your. Don't eat meat and beaver song. Yeah well I mean I hate to show up the entire nation I really hate to swoop in there and you know take it from kids could just trying to start their careers right and I guess all right. Well I've Seen Martin play the piano out here in in in the middle here early in the morning. Oh Yeah Five. Am and it's true. I'd say is right on par. True that kid thank you. That's really sweet. I bet it is. Oh I bet it's far You'll have to prove that later on we're going to be. That could be our social of the day. Have Martin have we still? There's rumors that We started round. Two of our Corentin Olympics are self-isolation Olympics or whatever. We're calling it Yesterday I don't remember yeah. Somebody was Somebody was awesome and somebody was definitely not somebody was the opposite of awesome and We'll let you watch the video decide which is which and who's who YouTube dot com slash pat gray shirt subscribed and click the little bell. So you get notified every time we barest themselves yesterday and then somebody didn't so what I did. It is after that horrific display of my hockey skills. I went home and I decided to take it out of our son. Do we know I drag my driveway. All right and I I played goalie and Nice shots and it's clear that shooting not my thing but I might have a career. I'm no I'm no piano genius like this kid when it comes to being goalie but I had to. I couldn't let that go yesterday. So that's also on twitter right now K. Hold your son twelve fourteen fourteen. Okay yeah all right triple eight nine hundred thirty three eighty three also at pat unleashed on twitter the CDC director by the way now expects a much lower death toll than predicted by the models used to justify shutdown policies. Okay good I'm glad we went through all this yet because they were telling us two up to two hundred and forty thousand people. We're GONNA die now. They're saying much lower. In fact the number I heard was eighty two thousand so we've gone from two point. Two million to two hundred and forty thousand to eighty two thousand right now. We're at twelve thousand. Some might be close to thirteen thousand by now in about four hundred thousand people infected but you know what when you put this into context and I know we've talked about the flu before and the numbers that are involved in this cove in nineteen scarier than the flu because more people die about one percent die from this. It looks like one to two percent where it's point one percent for the flu but a lot more. Get the flu and a lot. More people die from the flu every year. It's just that you know are. Are we going to allow the cure to be worse than the disease? Larry cudlow says the economy could open back up in forty eight weeks huts. Better be sooner than that or eight weeks. Really Come Lot stop that. We can't go another eight weeks on this. That's two months. Can you imagine two months from now? How many people are going to be unemployed? Congratulations though to the press. Who finally got their magic bullet to take down the awesome trump economy. Yeah SO YEAH WITH WITH BILL. Maher's of the world who were praying for a while he doesn't right. I'm like where are you going with that? Who were hoping keeping their fingers crossed for some kind of recession disaster to hit congratulations. You've got it you rooted against America you got and you got your wish. But it's like seriously the the press wants to have it both ways where they're hyping the corona virus Which I think you and I agree is a serious matter but to the degree that it has been there so some anecdotal and some are actual statistics the deaths that are being attributed to Cova nineteen that can we do. You have the Meam that was sent to me. Rob Of the skydiver. I love this. This is this pretty much sums up. How how it's being reported deaths around the world skydiver who forgot parachute dies of Corona virus being blamed on the corona virus. Yeah and then. After after the press sets us up to wear full body armor when we go to Walmart the president touted drug that has a track record of success. Then he gets on basted for it. you can't win with this media. And that's that's where I say is the cure worse than the disease in twenty in two thousand seventeen. You know how many people died from the flu so three years ago. What was the death toll for the flu? Season Eighty thousand and that's in the United States in the United States America. Well eighty thousand. You know what the toll is worldwide. Six hundred and fifty thousand is about the average of people who die worldwide eighty thousand just in the US. We didn't shut a single restaurant we didn't we didn't close a single business. We weren't forced to stay in our homes. We didn't ask our neighbors to inform on their neighbors. We didn't ignore the constitution. We went about our business. That's that's what we did and eighty thousand people died now if we just ignored. The Corona virus would more than eighty thousand people die. I don't know it's really hard to say it's really hard to say maybe Or maybe the thing just runs its course and it doesn't get to the levels that they expected. Well let me ask you this in two thousand seventeen when we had the flu problem where we spending trillions upon trillions of dollars in stimulus aid and not to go along with the shutting down of the business isn't schools and the Little League and the churches and everything was that all also thing at the time I really wasn't no I mean we're I I don't know how you bankrupting already bankrupt country we're twenty three trillion in debt right now and that doesn't even count the latest two trillion dollar boondoggle. They did what last week or the week before. And now and now. President trump watson another two trillion dollars. Nancy Pelosi wants another one trillion dollars for the next corona stimulus plan. Why not just combine them and make it a three trillion dollar deal? Let's let's do three trillion this time. Would that be satisfactory? Would everybody be satisfied again? Why not so? We tried just printing the money anyway. We don't have it. Trump wants to trillion. We'll see only wants the one trillion. Yes yes help me. Is that amazing? What's happening that's amazing okay goody yet another two trillion well because he said it should be very big and bold improbably. Beautiful an incredible. It should be very big bold beautiful and incredible. Now wait. Is this next round of stimulus. Yeah this is an extra is going to have a big beautiful door on the bill. No no he's GonNa Slam the door shut on all the conservatives who are trying to talk to him so it should be very big and bold two trillion dollars and be focused solely on jobs in rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our our. I keep hearing that once. Great infrastructure thing from Democrats in from trump. And I I I don't I don't get it. I don't see the degradation of our infrastructure. What am I missing here? Well I do think there needs to be a bill. That requires Potholes in the city of Fort Worth. I think that's that's one issue. There was a pothole that pisses me off every single day on my way into work. And you get off the freeway and you come down that spur. That connects yeah. Is it where is that? How you that familiar with this? What you come down the the northwest highway. Okay Gay and leaner you in at this time far left lane okay and there is a massive pothole. That has been there for eight years. As long as I've been driving to work that pothole has always been there. It was not sitting at lane so I have to drive around that into the other lane every single time to avoid it and I think I mean what is it years. How exception. Obviously you know there's wear and tear. Yeah on our roads and our highways but as far as a crumbling infrastructure. I don't see it. I don't get it. We need a two trillion dollars to shore up our bridges and freeways all right but President trump says for those keeping score or with interest rates for the United States. Being at zero this is the time to decades long awaited infrastructure. Bill it should be very big and bold okay with a beautiful door with beautiful door face for so I guess. I guess this'll be phased for my gosh. Our children agree telling their children. So why what does this face? Thirty seven mom. What does that? What does that even mean? Well IT GOES BACK TO THE YEAR. Twenty twenty when we started phase one of all goes back further than that it goes back. Remember Obama talking about infrastructure all the time that was phase zero. It's kind of like college football. There's zero yeah okay. So it's unbelievable to me and nobody's pushing back at all. Nobody's pushing back one iota on this on this on GonNa say Thomas Massie Marshes Nasty. Massey's the only one and he gets bludgeoned for let him stand alone. Y'All just saying he gets beaten to a pulp for it and he's doing the right thing he's doing the right thing. He's a patriot and he's being bludgeoned as if he's some turncoat. 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See we got this policeman. You know speaking of the rights were losing and this is the society were overturning. Grotesque Police arrested a dad for playing t-ball with his daughter at Park in Brighton. Colorado on a ticket pleaser early arresting a dad throwing a ball to his daughter. It was a former city councilmember. Who could not believe what he was recording. Eat in a park about thirty forty acres. He apparently that is not allowed by Brighton. Don't give your patients were going to put you in handcuffs in front of your six year old daughter. That Mooney is the thirty-three-year-old Dad who was short his daughter. They were doing nothing wrong. When police approached and told them they were violating the state's social distancing guidelines. Don't want you to get arrested on at this point. I'm thinking there's no way they're gonNA arrest me. There's no way this is insane and I'm telling you I'm like don't worry that he's not going to get arrested. I've done nothing wrong. Don't worry about it and then they arrest me. The cited Donaldson Parks is closed but in smaller print says groups of no more than four persons perks remain open for walking biking running weight and similar activities out. Just there with his wife and six-year-old. He says it was the officers. Unreal violating social distancing guidelines during this. None of the officers had masks on. None of them had gloves on. You know and they're in my face. Handcuffing made their touching. Wow Man so well. Let's do the math here. Let's let's let's let's give the four four cops there so this is how many there were four allowed to have four less participating in activities. So let's just do. This is Matt and his daughter. That's too and then his wife okay. Three now I'm not good at math but it's three three three more than four. That's where I'm going to have to defer to the law enforcement officers in this is what is happening. That is ridiculous in his asinine right. And then you get the four cups so you got seven. People in the cops are the ones that made them break the ordinance by hanging out with them. I did walk over to the sign and show them what it said. How do you get arrested for that? Because he didn't identify himself I wouldn't want to either. What purpose I wouldn't want to do. I need to identify myself to officer. I'm playing in a park with my daughter in the United States of America. Are you sure well? That's what I thought I was doing that. Now that's Brighton. Colorado gunnison Colorado. You're not even allowed to visit that town right now. Towns on lockdown did I take a left turn and wind up in Russia where I am now. 'cause Starting to have that kind of feel so you you take away the disastrous economic effects of this lock down and I saw where one in three people between the ages of eighteen and thirty four have already lost their jobs Just the effects of the economy alone are devastating enough Now you got stuff like this going on. Yeah that's bad recipe. The liberty situation is even worse than the economy. And Larry cudlow thing four to eight weeks time four days. Like this. We're GONNA make Daniel Horowitz wrote a great article yesterday about some of the constitutional violations that we're enduring right now if this doesn't concern you then you're you're either not paying attention or you've become so complacent about your rights that you just you don't you don't you. Don't even think about them anymore. Nineteen year old woman was given a citation and forced to go back home after a state trooper in York County. Pennsylvania caught her simply going for a drive. She was alone in a car. That seems to be like the ultimate social distancing right right she got steel and fiberglass all around you and nobody else in the car with you now the liberal argument would be but if she gets into Iraq then officers will have to respond and that would put them in close quarter order so we can't risk that come on numerous states have arbitrarily banned non essential medical services Defined his pretty much anything. That's not an urgent emergency. It'd be one thing if the areas were overrun with Kovic patients but Hospitals a lot of these areas are now so empty that they're laying off vital medical staff in Los Angeles County a paddleboard. We just showed you this yesterday. Paddle Boorda was arrested for being in the ocean alone. There was one person within a mile of him in the water. There were two people in an ocean and again the only reason social distancing didn't work in that case as well as the Guy Playing. Tibo police send yeah and all of a sudden. You've got close quarters right. He got a thousand dollars citation for that. Wow David Shuster of winnebago. Minnesota was hit with a criminal complaint. After he was caught playing cards with three of his buddies in his bar. The Bar was closed to the public but he apparently invited three buddies over. When police saw the lights on They came in and busted it up and gave him a citation e Oh he also faces up to ninety days in prison and a thousand dollar fine okay not a problem Evidently the virus gets a lot worse at night and attacks people when it's dark because cities like Laredo. I think you guys talked about this. On Friday They're adopting a mandatory curfew after ten PM. A mandatory curfew unless you're wearing ID or have a letter that shows you're an essential worker city government. That has no problem. I love this. They have no problem harboring illegal aliens in Laredo. That's fine and they hate law enforcement trying to enforce immigration laws. But if you were out after ten o'clock on a virus night okay I've onto co papers. Please yeah they have. As of making you talk curveball. GotTa hypothetical here for the city of Laredo. If you're an illegal alien in your out after curfew is that okay. Yes because we can't separate the illegal alien from his family if you're not wearing a mask well that's cool so you can do anything. They only breathe. Good air and exhale good air to. Yeah they've illegal aliens. I don't know if you know. This defy the laws of physics. They don't even exhale carbon dioxide. Because they know it's dangerous to the environment so they don't they just. Don't that's thoughtful. Yeah it's Nice. It's Nice so for years we've been told to use the military more aggressively at our international borders to repel an invasion. The but we can't do that because it's it's it's mean and it's somehow violates posse comitatus but Now we've got people screaming to use the military to enforce these Kovic nineteen restrictions on us. Google is now developing a tool to track people to see if they're following all of this Unconstitutional Nonsense The New York Times. Already publicized a heat map of movement based on cell phone data for years law enforcement has been stripped of every tracking tool to catch criminals and terrorists was a concern for alleged criminals. Privacy Right now. They're searching for any innovative means. They can use against every day everyday. Americans who are just leaving their house to exercise which by the way you. You can't do in Paris right now and don't worry that will come here to Paris. Just band exercise outside. Chicago did some very similar up there. The mayor lightfoot except for her she could exercise have her hair done and go to restaurants if she wants to but but not the citizens of that of that particular city so Paris band exercise Dubai now requires a police permit to leave your house. Not just the women put them into now. Good point of clarification there. So is there anybody upset by this? Have you heard any backlash any pushback? There is one lonely outpost of people concerned about the constitution that I've seen so far and we'll talk about that coming up here in a second. We also have jeffey coming up right. He's here to do chewing the fat. And before we get to that. Let's let's play the the The Bowling Kid. How old is this? We got some more sports. He's a young lad just looks like he's about watch this. This is a difficult bowling shot. Because look you know. He's got the Ten look we're the pennies got split. What does that I forget? One four seven yes the idea and let's let's look at o five seven ten. Thank you rob. The five seven ten split five seven ten split. Let me see that one. More time that that is a near impossible shot. I mean even pro bowlers. Don't usually great form to. He looks like a little. Pba Logo when he's doing this to hinder Bowler While he's good. This kid knows what he's doing sports for the day from blaze. Tv Here's how hungry. I am for sports you know. I was excited about bowling video. Yeah you gotta be pretty hard up to be excited about a bowling video. You're excited about hockey yesterday to YouTube dot com slash pat gray. And we'll see you know. One of us was really horrifically. Embarrassed yesterday humiliated and so one of us wasn't was only partially embarrassed right wasn't exactly a stellar performance. All right Chewing the fat with Jesse coming up next Hum with us. Thanks for being here. Triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three also pat unleashed on twitter. We're going to get to Jesse here in a second Harry feeling by the way Jeffey. You're doing well cooped up in your house your fantastic fantasy. You can go. You can go practically forever in this current environment. No problem hanging out at home with your loved. Ones gathered neath hearth and home. It's beautiful really nice. Wait for another eight weeks of this. Oh right so excited eight weeks. If that's the case you're gonNA find piles of dead Americans outside their homes and Jeff eight weeks. I don't think so I don't know it's hard to fathom Before we get to chewing the fat I just wanted to share the one lonely little outpost of people concerned about the constitution of the United States at least seemingly. Some people are actually pushing back and saying wait a minute. No Sand Point Idaho. It there was a little meeting put together. Which did of course violate orders by Governor. Brad little to avoid group gatherings because apparently in the United States there's no right to peaceably assemble despite some claims otherwise but Ammon bundy familiar. Go Rhino I will say the Bundy family bless their heart yeah they are all about the US Constitution and they put their actions where their mouth is. Somebody's got to and they do They might be a little too quick to the trigger finger. I could buy all right. Holy cow the I mean they are. They're on it and South Dakota refusing to lock down all that's right Christie gnome right name. The Governor yes. That's her name. Okay so She said that She she doesn't she's not going to follow everybody. Good she's going to have a leadership mentality not a Sheep mentalities I love. That's almost direct quote has fantastic. A governor is just fantastic. So bundy is trying to create a network of people ready to come to the aid of those facing closure of their businesses or other interference from the government as a result of this outbreak. If it gets bad enough he says at our rights are infringed upon enough we can physically stand in defence in whatever way we need to always go there they always but again their constitutional people. We hope we don't have to get there. So he is putting together a group of people that are defying these closure orders. The opposition is coming. Not just from Ammon Bundy and his family. By the way I think cliven got out of prison like last year the year before. I think he's out. Now who's armed? Takeover of the Oregon refuge with dozens of other men and women in two thousand sixteen lead to a forty one day standoff you might remember But also from some state lawmakers jumping into this fray and a county sheriff who are also calling. The governor statewide stayed home order an infringement on individual liberties. I love this article because it goes onto say many of the latest claims about the constitution have come from Idaho's northern panhandle. Wait many of the latest claims about the constant as if these rights were allegedly in it. Or as if you have to interpret what's being said to make some kind of issue out of it I mean it's written is clear and definitive as Jeffey fatness is Jeff fatness and the alleged right to assemble are both amazingly clear. I mean there's room for Interpretation Congress shall make no law respecting the right of the people peaceably to assemble. Yes eliminating the the A couple of provision. We're not talking about skipped over some there. Yep Yes like religion and free free speech so Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of the right of the people peaceably to assemble. That's as clear as it gets. Is it not I mean. There's it's open to interpretation. I think clearly establish so the sheriff of the county said in the spirit of liberty in the constitution. You you can request those. That are sick to stay home right but at the same time you must release the rest of us to go on with our normal normal business. Yeah doesn't isn't that what makes us America. Yep is we get to self-govern and we get to make these decisions. If we screw up then we live with the consequences. Exactly as opposed to just letting a tyrant. Tell US okay. You're staying in your home. Get used to it exactly so bundy the sheriff and one of the State lawmakers said. They're hoping that more IDAHOANS will decide to stand up for the rights and concludes. Love this quote. Whatever happened to give me liberty or give me death. All that's a thing of the past that is nobody even considered that anymore. It's like well. We have to do this for our safety. Well we have to do this for our health and wellness. We have to do this. So it's heartening to see that there's at least one place. There's a couple of places was set. South Dakota and this too In America's still concerned enough about the constitution that they're they're not just ruling over and playing dead. All right triple eight nine hundred thirty three thousand three. That happy sewn means type to give me. Liberty are Netflix. Either one yesterday I was. Give me liberty or give me sports shiver. Okay I'm good with yes by. Yeah congratulations are in order. There's a new richest man in Dallas. Texas I tried to keep this on the deal. All right go ahead. Well you know. I know that you're on the list. But Jerry Jones is number one right now in Dallas Texas with eight billion our and that's new us. Yeah he jumped in front. There was the banker Andy Beal who had the top spot in Dallas? More a long time and apparently he's made some bad deals does he was worth ten million and now he's worth seven point nine billion so jerry deserve gofundme page. Senate for him in the lead that charge. I'm considering where's the bureau family there on the list. I think in the I'm not sure. Yeah the rich Texan Is Alice Walton right? The only doll Sam. She's a little bit. She's got a little bit more than Jerry. Yeah fifty four point four million and she lives in Fort Worth and thinking I mean think of that because that wealth is split seven ways. They all have an equal share. They're all at fifty four billion time. Seven that's ads. Not Bad it'll get them by for a while. Yeah we don't need to worry about a go on me for rallies now not yet not yet and then now look I might not be as Jerry Jones But this could be. My last during the best segment is olive saying Depending on how long this deal takes because Just received an email from a reap Abraham Al Hashemi and he is Minister of State and petroleum. So wait a minister of State in petroleum and PETROLEO END PETROLE. Okay and also. He's also minister of State for International Cooperation. And what state are we talking about? Where where is this? This is in Cambodia and Vietnam Cambodia. The petroleum capital of the world. I think we all agree with that springs when you think oil money. You Think Cambodia. Now he has an and he wants to help you with a fun. That's worth forty seven million dollars. Wow it wants to help you with it or you to help him. He can't touch it because it goes against his country's professional practice getting it. How did he pick you want? He wants to stand on his behalf. He must be chewing the fat fan. Yeah right yeah right okay. As long as I received this fund into any account that is only control by me. He's going to compensate me thirty percent all night. Oh Nice that's a sixty eight million okay with that day out on as your Adviser why don't you reply to? What's his name again and he lives in. Cambodia Abraham l? Has She me Wow that doesn't match up knowing how. Why don't you ask him say you ninety five percent and they'll do it and let's go. She had a little bit. I WanNa see what he says to that He. Also you sent me a wikipedia link to look him up. I haven't clicked on that link however yet sure report on that link. It's worth I know. I know shots Alec up saying Anyway Pat. If I'm not here next week we'll know why. Yeah she'll be at best. Buy Getting your computer overhauled. I talked on to the fabric last couple of weeks about people in the next month or so and it's already happening. Everyone's real hair color is going to be shown though. Yeah it's already out there. I mean We're seeing now Fifty cent called out Kevin Hart and Dion and P. Diddy calm. They're all if you look at. There's no hair dye no beard die. They're all grey. They're all the the good ones are owning it right. I mean if you if you own it. There's there's I'm sure there's going to be several Graham accounts go silent or go. Pixel 'cause beards nails a hair all going away very soon except except for the rulers. The think they're better that all of us unwashed masses enlighten. You mentioned the Chicago Mary yesterday but I don't know if you saw the Chicago Mayor Lori lightfoot the first African American woman the first openly. Lgbtq mayor of Chicago don't know if you saw her press conference after. It was reported that she had a haircut but she was asked about it at a press. Co had this to say so. She was pretty quiet. Then at the press conference nearly didn't have much to say a few words this Lori lightfoot but We have we don't have it. I'm like okay. What did we Miss Jeffey? Because she told us that she really cared about About her about her her care of her body lay. Don't like the rest of you know right. Unbelievable right it's just amazing and Yesterday she was kind enough to sign an executive order and sharing that all immigrants and refugees including illegal aliens are eligible to receive the city's corona virus. Good that's good. That's good. I mean the new underground economy really is. Barbara's making house calls right. I mean I for that. Yeah but this city where you're not allowed to go and exercise correct there you go. You know she has to. She cares about her body. She's the face of Chicago. She reminds she's the face of Chicago. So you got to have that face meet up and well quaffed on her hair. You GotTa have her nails done. What you don't you could. You could see in the video that her interpreters standing next to her. I think is making fun of her. If it's tremendous I'm just just making fun of Stop it she's an idiot side note. PAT mixing the word cough more often on the program. Please on work on now. I told you last week at around workers I talked last week about the exotic dancers that are delivering food. Now trying to make some money and they were calling themselves. Buber eats but the can't call themselves out anymore. Why or they're called. Lucky Devil eats now. Why why can't they call themselves? Buber eats well Uber decided to. It's not the same issue to this. So they they own over but everything that rhymes with it come buber. Aides said. No you can't do a blow that's not right and let's go with instead of fighting it. He just changed it to lucky devil. Aren't you still get the same dress? Calvin Save Look but don't touch rules unless you have enough money it's just lucky double double es and of course I quote the story now. It may be the apocalypse but as long as they're still burgers at boobs of the world will fight for survival. So okay with that all right with that and yesterday you talked also about The sports using maybe a blow. Dow's in the stands. There's a couple in Michigan. Who had the wedding coming up and couldn't have the friends and family there. So they had a company sent them cutouts cardboard cutouts of family and friends. Ill Shirt so that could be the pews. That look like they were actually people at the wedding. So Nice. Different young long haired ponytail little kind of diversity of cutout good of a and a The Two Thousand Twenty Baseball League starts this weekend And they just announced that they're going to be using robotic mannequins in the stands dressed up as fans So you'll be able to see that so that with at least the players will look into the crowd and say ooh. Hey we've got some some people advance. Don't ask not creepy. Oh No it's GonNa be fun. There's going to be if you want sports news. I know were dying for a little sports news and you know you played the bowler getting the five seven ten split which is not as difficult looks for those of us. The ball but There we have the sad news of Top deputy clubbed foot kicker passing away. I'll sell it. Had the record for the longest field goal for a really long time for long talks three yards. I remember my grandfather telling me about that. Kick Against the Detroit Lions. Yeah do you back to Saudi mouse? I remember talking to take. He had the record for a long time. Yeah any shares it right. Somebody kicked a well. There's there's a Matt Prater kicked a sixty four yarder. Oh we did. I forgot seated four or five years ago. Or whatever you Jason Elam Jankowski. And anchors all kicked a sixty three orders but they were in in Denver right so they use the Denver Colorado. Excuse that it's the Arizona farther right and he's dead because of him. I mean I take the rules right. You can't have the square boots special shoe with the NFL. You can't be you know he was the first real handicapped guy plan in the NFL right. Nah WHOA. Whoa WHOA WHOA. He's the first one that no no. No that would have been Bronco Broncos. And he was missing everything not have the handicap back. That would be embarrassing for Bronco. Bronco Gerski took the field with just a torso. Yeah he's he's. He did not identify as handicapped. I'm sorry no. He never considered himself. Never ever space nope nicer. In fact he parked. He parked a mile away from the stadium. Jason could crawl with his teeth to make special special parking for Bronco. That's not happen we also had. There's great great crash we could talk about. I'd love to talk about my nephew who had grown virus. You wanted to talk to people who already know of. Yeah Yeah and and how old is he's ever now thirty thirty okay and he got the cocktail. You know the hydrochloric win the Z. Or was it through my Anson Chan. You know it's all better. I all reporters that talk about how bad this stuff is. And they can't believe people are taking it They'll be taking it if it gets. Oh no question about it. I promise you absolutely right. All right. Appreciate a triple eight nine hundred thirty three ninety-three more pat gray unleashed Jeffey coming up in just a few minutes way unleashed welcome to a triple eight. Nine hundred thirty three nine. Three and it pat unleashed on twitter. We got some breaking news here until further notice. The days of the week will now be called this day that day other day someday yesterday today in next day thank you it just doesn't matter Bandon. Yep We got a really cool story though Before we get into all the madness and the mayhem of the World Shinshu. What's what's his name the baseball player on the Rangers Shinzo Shoe Shins Sue. Chew email. No he didn't he did not he has done something really cool. And the wasn't government Induced or forced or mandated. He's giving a thousand dollars to everybody in the Rangers. Farm system every minor leaguer in the ranger system getting thousand dollars from from him on ninety one hundred ninety one guy's getting a thousand bucks really nice. That's awesome sure it is. I mean he makes twenty million a year right but still enough to do that. That's a really cool guys that I'm playing in the B League Columbia farmland system for the Rangers. No you didn't you. Being assessed just signed the Ranger System. So the sent me a check for a thousand. I'm all there for the rookie league. The rookie handy capable noted that they signed Jaffe to a contract when they're not playing game. Yeah all right all right got some Tweets here jeff concrete footprints Tweets IS THE COUNTRY. Switch back on yet asking for a friend from spoons. I can play just as well as at seven year. Old Alexa. Play Vivaldi congratulations. We just turned on all across very. Yeah yeah notion. Mongering Munger of notions This is my my version. Because that kid he was inspired to write a covert nineteenth song to play that game. I wrote my own little ditty and notion. Mongering monger of notion says. That wasn't bad but it did need some musical accompaniment. Perhaps Keys Tambourine L. Let's try it. Don't know my voice is going out though. I'm just GONNA speak it but go ahead. K- Calvin Nineteen Govan nineteen ruined our economy and caused a quarantine starts with some coughing and then a high fever. So don't you eat the bat meat and please don't eat bursts. St- defined the point of entry for my senior Hernia. Thanks Pat Your Vitkovic composition. Almost brought me to tears. Made sure that it can play piano. But where's his kale recipe? Yeah thank you see thank you. There's more to life than being brilliant at something okay. Dry being mediocre at a whole bunch of things that no stop passed I was gonna say that's a bumper sticker jeffey knees there's more to life than what was it. Mediocre no brilliant. Brilliant yeah comes. Electric Razor tweets Hey Pat on this all request Wednesday. When do we say that? I don't know? That's a little presumptuous. Shoehorned into the program. Can we get key to country remix of your Calvin Nineteen? No one's a standalone and ask for a friend who is in fact myself as is the case with almost all asking for a friend claims what let's see Lone Wolf tweets. Most accidents occur in the home skied. While knows so of government makes us stay there. They must want people to die getting right to the bottom of this. We really are. And who do you think is behind wanting all the Americans? Today the Clintons the Clintons and their death-list trying to add to it from Putin on a Ritz after four weeks of being locked up in the House with my family. I'm toying with the idea of exposing myself to the virus. A fourteen day quarantine by myself sounds pretty good right now. Feel your pain. I think we all do. I think we all Jeffey. How're you doing? How're you doing on lockdown man? How are you managing your bunker? And by the way by the way you are Clean Shaven. What happened to the show hair dude? What's up there and I let it go for about twelve or thirteen days and then I posted a shaver no shave video on my youtube channel. So you can subscribe at you in the VAT with Jeff Fisher Gel podcast. By the way and you'll see you can see the See the outcome sexy man. I Know One. I think I mean there's no question about a minute. Hold on a second though you use the Blue Aqua colored towel what happened the Tiger themed. Will you had on the show last week? That was my my Katy. Perry that was for tiger. All right well anyhow. So you still haven't watched Tiger King No. I haven't wash the towel and watch out. Have you watched the whole season? Yeah and we're always fancied out this crazy crazy white folks. I mean they're out of their minds. Yes and I I don't know that I would have made it through every episode if I didn't feel like I had to because it's such a phenomenon is talking about the four hundred by about the fourth one. I'd had enough of these people. Whatever they have. Tigers like Gil Som- I don't care get it. They're all nuts. I understand now. They're all just spooky weird people who are little unbalanced and perhaps a danger to society can zou leave him alone but I made it all the way through crazy right and you end up thinking you know. I mean now Joe Exotic is in jail here in Fort Worth Worth Still. You know he's lawsuits and they're still fighting each other and we're still thinking that Carol down in Tampa it's okay for you knew net flicks episode of Tiger King coming up later. This week I hear Jeff Lowe the guy that took over for exotic or stole JR Exotics Zoo He's was teased that this past week. That there's some new special document documented show. That's coming out so we'll see I mean it's just another you know. Okay okay. I'll watch it. 'cause it's a nominee but probably that's it you know. Well there's only one more episode coming Silvano Silber County Sheriff Glen yesterday. They were you know he's been contacted by people that want to do. You know ended documentaries on Carol now and try to find her husband. That's been missing. They'll be. We're going to have tiger king plethora of videos very soon. I'm sure we'll have tiger. King on ice will be touring the country soon. I actually have the company if the tree opens up. And that's what I have to go see. Okay yes I know. We're that hard over right now. We are that hard up by the way to get you through the cove in nineteen Sheltered home orders Pat Gray. Bingo returns this coming Monday Monday April thirteenth. Get Your Pat Gray Bingos square currently pinned to the top of the Pat Gray unleashed pat unleashed twitter. Page printed up and along. All right little game card is waiting for you. Do we go back to any of the previous or is this a brand new one. All brand new. Oh well just to muck and futch in her house being go card making factory and take you for that. She's been working hard at this. So we've got the the twenty twenty season inaugural Bingo card. Bingo card is waiting for you at the top of Pat unleashed on twitter. And by the way yes just before you get back into the of the real news and the real stories. I WANNA say that I'm on your side with the Pothole of the road drive. You know the one I'm talking about right. I absolutely do and ticks me off ridiculous. I think about it every day. Can you forget about it? Ten minutes late come on car or truck in the right lane and I can't get over so I have to slow down or I just I am just going to hit it today. I don't care if you go too far far left you run into the wall right to the right or just go into the bottle and it's a great big one it's agonizing and you're going sixty miles an hour it's unsafe. It's just stupid. I I can't believe irving the Doug Right. Well you know right in front of the building here. They just did some work. I don't know why they dug it up. They dug up the road. And as you're approaching the building you're getting ready to turn left into the parking lot mound that big dip. You know that lip where they've done the construction and you're like seriously you know they're done. They're not coming back. So you stay in the right lane until the last minute and then you end up turning left turn out of the right lane. My grandkids could have done a better job doing that. I it's unbelievable but that was like okay. That's fine let's move on. I got other stuff to do like a pothole down the roadway here. Apparently you're not getting to all right. Triple eight nine hundred. Thirty three ninety-three India has lifted their drug export ban after a president. Trump's retaliation threat. India lifted a ban on some drugs including the experimental cova nineteenth re hydrated hydroxy chloroquine after president. Trump threatened possible retaliation if they failed to ship the anti malaria medicine to the US. This guy is fantastic on many many things. You gotTa love him on. Lots of things like this on the two trillion dollars added to the last two trillion dollars of spending not so much but on things like this he's awesome. The reversal of the export ban comes out. We'll try to read this after my voice. Recovers you guys talk amongst yourselves? I just I asked my voice. India is the is the pharmacy of the world. That story goes on to say. Is it really thought? China was yeah well not apparently not according to that article but China's been holding out on those peop- you know your personal protective correct. Thank you and and so the ones that they said this one. We had to send back nine million medical gowns because they weren't produced in a sterile environment. In fact one of them had like a bug them in a in a package is just like for real. That happens shipping shipping. Thank you honk. We've got a sober SHAINA apologised. What do you work for the? Who Jeffey so anyhow. There's also this really tragic story remember earlier this week. We talked about how Obama didn't replenish the federal stockpile of the mass After the H. One in one in two thousand nine now. He was president for seven more years after that and did nothing to replenish that stockpile. Well in two thousand nine. There's a guy here in North Richland hills. That's Metro Dallas Fort Worth. Who makes these masks? And when that happened he said well we got to be prepared for the next one. I'm going to be the guy to do that. And he hired one hundred fifty employees because hospital hospitals told him. We're going to buy your stuff. He was trying to get government. Contracts both federally and in the State of Texas. He's like Hey I'm your guy he. He hires one hundred fifty workers. They work around the clock and make these medical masks and then when it comes time to sell them. The governments aren't interested The hospitals say You know what we found them cheaper in China. And so now what's happening? Is this guy in Metro. Dallas is making these masks. But he's not making them around the clock like you would expect in the middle of a global pandemic. Because he's saying I'm not going to do that to a one hundred fifty employees again and have to lay them off when you guys say and not interested in. He's getting threats because he's not turning these out around the clock you drive by there. There's a story in the Dallas Morning News. It's fascinating I'll have to tweet. This out. Talks about how the parking lot is empty at night. It's dark because it's a business nine to five. Yup that's what this man run his own business the way he wants to in America and that's what people are saying. No should do lock him up right now without a dog was due process. Just pick him up handcuff him beat him with with batons and then take that bloody douche right directly to prison upbeat beating stage yet don't But we're close to the arrest and I know we're already telling businesses they have to shutdown or doing it right now. We're doing incredible. It is it is it really is and we're dependent on China to send us. That's the iron on this and a good thing again again. Thanks thanks to Barack Obama. Thank you Barack Obama for not replenishing this the supply. I thought Dallas was going to be still working around the clock but selling as masks to another country. And we're going to hate him that I don't know why it's not that it's even worse. Because he's he's Com slowed down because our country will buy them ridiculous so frustrating and now now we're looking at China. Hey please send us masks and gowns and all that stuff and when they do they're sending us these contaminated ones. They're the ones that started this global pandemic in the first place. I'm sorry am I allowed to say that? And now you've got trump threatening to sue them because they're not sending stuff again. We're making them right here. In Texas eleven years ago it would have been nice. If this guy wasn't abused and I mean good for him. He can do what he wants to do. At least for now right and are we going to learn our lesson and bring manufacturing back to the United States especially in critical areas like pharmaceuticals like PPE's like the ventilators that we need so desperately. Those should all be made here a ventilator shortages is really a critical issue that needs to be addressed not the ventilators but the the breathalysers or or or the innovators. I mean not not a breathalyzer you got some Friedman right an abrupt wiser earlier. Oh yeah all right. Let me tell you about Patriot. Mobile got a big announcement from Patriot. Mobile to help Americans stay in touch with loved ones During this really tough time when we're all sequestered they've reduced their prices even further so right now just let their us-based team design. Your custom is family planned for just twenty five dollars thirty five forty five or fifty five They'll tailor a great package to your needs. They'll never charge you hidden fees and unlike big mobile. 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Oh you think so Next I'm not wearing a turtleneck will tell you that Yell Coffin Ma'am Whole Hashtag Pat Gray. Bingo CARD SAYS HE PAT says printed up saves eighty four says print it down print down. I Miss Twenty nine thousand. Nine hundred Pat Gray. Bingo is back. Finally legit excuse to put off chores. Pew Pew Pew says Dear Pat unleashed. Don't you know the first commandment thou shalt not criticize the amazing Obama Cya in any public forum? See You you broke that one. Okay Yep Jeffreys eighteen spoons we're hasn't Tif abend during all of the fascism. That's been unleashed on us. I guess they only test that super fascist concept of freedom and this will be an interesting case study. I'd like to see ANTIFA wants to gather today in Portland Oregon with the police. Break that up because of the social which works here. There's a social distancing come into play lastly Sherry tweets at PAT unleashed. Oh my goodness just saw on new on news The New Jersey governor things not sure if the schools will open in the fall. Yeah what about you said that they might right? He said that schools It's possible that there would be ready to open even bringing that up at this point just was it yesterday. That was talking about no. They might not open up at the fall. They might not opening until next spring her was that I mean really a year from now open until next Friday. Oh Yeah see triple eight. Nine hundred. Thirty three ninety-three. Several states apparently are sitting in the schools in several states. May Not open says until next year. Okay well never mind. I don't know spring though Let's go to race in Alaska a race. You're on the blaze. It's good to talk to you guys. You do Actually in Alaska so I always listen to the podcast little sleep watching TV with my wife on the couch and woke up at three thirty and thought you know what a brilliant idea. What time does their man like? Okay yeah four thirty. So you're three hours behind us. Okay all right. Rippin IDAHO OUT TAME. But I thought I'd just call him talking about trade associates. Dentist Right now. Lasker been graduated a couple of years and right now things are changing for us like every day But they Right now it can only see patients with extreme pain and we can only do things that insurance companies dictate is needed rate So there's some way to help people get out of pain but we can't do those we have to do something else or just in some cases pull the tooth because we can't really It's kind of interesting is it is it. Is it pretty frightening because you? I mean you dig into people's mouths can't be exciting at anytime put especially during a pandemic. You must be a little concerned right that somebody's GonNa give this to you a little concerned today. Which is probably more the dental community. But they had the S- carafe of most interesting industry was like the very top. I believe that you know we we spray air vulgar in the mouth and it can create aerosols and it's flying around and the removal We have talk shows in some some masks and stuff but You know we have questionnaire. We're taking everybody's temperature questionnaire but still never know because those people but you know. It's kind of a strange time so used to have a full day couple of emergencies and or staff wants to work to truly. Were there trying to decide? I make more money if I just gone employment right now and then. I'm not arrest. Maybe I should just lay me off and just go home and do nothing and make a little more money. So it's one that kind of came and talked to me yesterday. And she's like 'cause we're trying to restrict union But she brought up wanting to actually. Just take the phone employment. 'cause Working Nights GonNa get enough unemployment hours? She's worried about paying bills so definitely a strange name. Yeah really is appreciate it. Thanks for that. Was the danger. Lindsey Graham warned about in passing that stimulus bill. You gotTa make more money. Yeah and then who was it that said? Oh what a horrible danger that would be. Let's say that was Bernie Sanders Sanders. Yeah by the way since. We're you know we had some phone calls here. Haley on twitter. If you're listening right now you mentioned yesterday your husband just recovered from Cova. Nineteen after taking had McLaughlin. Please give us a call. We'd love to hear about how that went down. No that's completely irresponsible. That doesn't help call. Eight eight eight nine hundred. Thirty three ninety three the hydrochloric win thing that that can't help and it's like a miracle drug that's killing people all over the world. I don't think that we're seeing the president even brings it up. He's got blood on his hands up telling you blood on his hands. Gray unleashed weird stuff going on in the world right now as you know but some freaky things that you wouldn't even expect like this Corona virus and five G. thing there are people who believe that the the five K. cell phone speed delivery is it is somehow making corona virus worse. I mean so. They're setting cell phone towers on fire. Just really strange it will if woody Harrelson Board. Did you know it's true? You know that's what's happening. Thank you woody for more genius from you. I wonder if his character on cheers was actually actually him intelligent than he is in the guy in real life but it clearly. The character wasn't a stretch for him by the. I think we all realize that now. There are those who believe this whole five G. Rumor that it's so dangerous and it's is gonNA radiate people in it's GonNa Melt your brain and you know then your brain matter will lose out your ears and your nostrils are what whatever they believe. Some people believe that whole rumor was started by the Chinese company. The Five G. Company while way because they don't want American companies developing five G. for themselves. They they want to send wow way into Europe and the United States to set up all the five G. so they control that whole whole network. I think that's a plausible theory. Frankly you know the Chinese could be just releasing all this disinformation on five G. So that they can have the game themselves. You heard the thing where France asks asked for. More N Ninety five masks right. And they said sure. Yeah we'll we'll send you all the a billion masks one all right. All you have to do is Is Allow Wa wa to come in and do all your five G. I'm sorry That's all we're just but we'd be happy to give you the. Ps We really would how you scratch our back and we'll scratch yours. Goodness mostly you'll be scratching hours. Yeah it's amazing. What's going on with China? And they're being fully protected in their efforts by the. Who Oh gosh. The World Health Organization is so in bed with China and they act like China and certain cases. Listen to this from Dr Michael Ryan from the. Who on what to do with infected people in their homes most of the transmission. That's actually happening. In many countries now is happening in the household at family level transmission has been taken off the streets and pushed back into family units. Now we need to go and look in families to find those people who may be sick and remove them and I said an you know safe and dignified dignified. Oh man I mean they'll knock knock when they show up will they don't answer if you say. Hey the lights are on. But nobody's home. You know at this point. Willie just leave. I'm more willing to trust the Abrahim guy who emailed Jeffey about getting money than the. Who me a break are you close to sealing that deal now Jeff? Where's that stand waiting for a response? Okay Sway Ebrahim. You said you're taking ninety five percent right and he's GonNa hopefully take that well we're gonNA go she ate. It doesn't hurt to try right. It doesn't dry van. Rebe Abraham L. Cambodia did. Does anybody even know that? They held a primary election yesterday in Wisconsin. He won't even know that it's unbelievable that first of all the nobody knows about this secondly that they went ahead with it and because I think at the last minute they tried to stop. It said no look at that. People stay in six feet apart waiting to vote yesterday morning. Look at the line in Wisconsin but this is America so do we have results from yesterday's voting. No no we have to wait till April thirteenth. Apparently I I don't understand why I don't know so weird so weird. They wouldn't even extend the deadline on mail-in votes and they said well what about people who are sick. Well they can do drive up pulling you will drive up. Curbside fill out their fill out their form at the curb. Okay so you're asking critically ill people to drive up to the full there. Have you come out to them? Maybe get infected by by the person in the car and and then bring it back inside. Look I got news for you. I've seen the Democrats on the ballot there in Wisconsin. They worth driving off if you're sick to go and vote for them. Yep that's for sure not doing that. So Wisconsin held vote. Nobody knows what happened. I'm but I'm sure Biden's going to win that right. I mean would it would be quite a surprise for Bernie Sanders to take. Eighty of these remaining. Primaries Biden is probably going to win on the strength of his answer when he was doing some weird interview they posted on the Joe Biden Dot com website. He was being interviewed by. The governor of Gretchen Win Michigan. Yeah many people think might end up being his vice presidential nominee ball. Really but Anyhow yeah so they. They had a very important discussion yesterday. Here's one of the hard hitting topics they discussed. Fake Newton's your favorites. Well why I know tax on the planes when I fly back and forth and but the thing that is the thing that everybody makes fun of me that when in doubt I have a peanut butter jelly sandwich but I learned everybody. Who's making fun of that? And I found out that John Kerry has the same addiction peanut butter. Joey's eye sandwiches always Newton's master bottom line noncommittal on whether or not big Newton's are his favorite snack of you can't commit can't commit there you go thank you for sharing your fig Newton with me and my daughter. When we were in Michigan together another powerful hard hitting in all you think you think you know I am not strange enough. I'm saying it's I've had the same addiction as John Carey O. Normalized that just like that. I don't know how he was stood that withering investigative pm. Wow but don't you think that's what put him over the top probably probably yesterday's vote? We'll find out I guess. Well that and the fact that John Lewis endorsed him. Wow the Georgia congressman civil rights icon. John Lewis was just endorsed. Wow Joe Biden. Welcome to the party John. I mean you really went out on a limb there how did you decide? What in the world. Wow okay stunning surprise. So there you go. Someone risking their political future. John Conyers endorsing Joe Biden. Tell you about a Democrat in a minute here that actually set some great things about Donald Trump. In fact almost the ultimate compliment said that Donald trump saved her life. Tell you who that representative is in in. How dumb saved her life in? Just a second first of all. Let me tell you about brickhouse nutrition. You know that whatever's going around whether it's Cova nineteen or or whether it's the flu you know the SARS just a common cold whatever you want your immune system to be in really good shape and when you don't eat fruits and vegetables as I don't then you have less of a chance of having a healthy strong immune system that's why I take a field of Greens from brickhouse nutrition. One Scoop has a full serving of Real. Usda certified organic fruits and vegetables boost your energy and supports a healthy immune system High in fiber. It's pre biotic its probiotic and it's a great source of vitamins and fiber and other nutrients. Just take a scoop of it. Put it in the glass water. Stir it up and you're done right now. You can save fifteen percent off your first order when you use the offer code. Pat At brickhouse PAT DOT COM. And if you subscribe today while you're there you'll save an extra ten percent every month. So this virus season turn your immune system into a brick house with field of Greens from brickhouse nutrition. Breakouts PAT DOT COM. This is Pat. Gray unleashed all right so a democratic state representative in Detroit is Crediting Hydroxy Cleric Win and Donald Trump who touted the drug for saving her life in her battle with corona virus. L. Irresponsible right. I mean even if it's true you don't say it on that is the that is the unspoken reality of it but state. Rep Rep Caron Whitsett. Who learned Monday? She is tested positive for covert nineteen said. She started taking hydroxy clerk on March thirty first prescribed by her doctor after both she and her husband sought treatment for a range of symptoms. was less than two hours. Before she started to feel relief she had Experienced shortness of breath the swollen lymph nodes. And what she said felt like a sinus infection so she was familiar with hydrochloric hydroxy clerk win Within because she had an earlier about with lime disease and I think they use it to treat that as well but she didn't she didn't believe she would have thought about it or or ask for it had she not heard it touted pipe president. Donald Trump wow. I wonder how many times how many times during the day we'll CNN report this now w halftime nobody happy to report the State Rep from Ohio. That wants to go to The Hague to crimes against humanity for Donald Trump. Talk about that. That story reads like a Babylon be article. It is it's you're sending these quotes from this woman. Her name her name is Tabby Galanshoski and she will refer them to refer him to The Hague for crimes against humanity. She says I can't take it anymore. I've been to The Hague. I'm making a referral for crimes against humanity tomorrow. She said a press conference today was the last. Straw was it. I know the need for a for a prosecution referral when I see one again folks folks. This is not a Babylon article. The PAT is reading. He's reading about a state representative in Ohio who is angry at trump and says that he's guilty of crimes against humanity for pushing this drug crimes against humanity. He's not forcing people to take it. He's saying that. Hey we've heard some promising things about it and if I had it I'd try it. You might try it. And he reiterated yesterday yes and would every reporter. That's back right and we said ridiculous not have been more clear yesterday at the daily press conference that if you and your doctor decide that's the best course of treatment for you. Then do it. He he made it clear. I'm not a doctor. I'm just looking at these reports and saying well why not try it if y that was the last straw and he needs to be referred for prosecution a? We're talking about taking to The Hague. He's a war criminal. Sticking worker mental. It's despicable what these people are doing. It's absolutely it's despicable and it and it's actually criminal too because you are hurting people and and you're you're just making this situation worse all of the dire predictions that they've been modeling. Which started at two point? Two million dead then. They lowered it to two hundred forty thousand. They think we're going to die. And now they're saying eventually maybe eighty two thousand between that and you know jumping all over trump for the court hydroxy clerk. One thing. They've they're the ones with blood on their hands. I would like to point out though that complete irony here. I mean it's just so ironic that as this cove. Nineteen deaths have continued to rise. We have we have less Heart attack deaths happening. So that's helpful. We. We've got the numbers on that we've got less heart attack deaths. We've got less pneumonia debts. 'cause nobody's doing anything strenuous right now. It's also probably has something to do with the fact that winning doubt it's covert nineteen is the cause of death y'all And that's what's happening and so it's just it's just it's amazing though that these heart attack numbers. Pneumonia deaths are all going down while cove in nineteen deaths are going up. Crimes Gone Down in some areas to which is also interesting Well I bet because everybody's home right. That's why if you're a criminal and I thought I don't WanNa say with you when we can all agree. That crime is wrong. When you get caught we can all agree. I think we can not against the law unless you get caught. We learned grammar last week. That's that's why I know in Florida. There's a lady there looking for. They have not found her yet. North Lauderdale Florida in Broward County. She just walked into a Walmart Not once but twice and just throws the sixty five inch in the shopping cart and walks out of the store you can see. There's video walking out on nobody the Walmart. Nobody stopped her car and walked out. Wait a second. It worked work took it out. They know what car she went through. They have cameras in the lot et about a six days later six or seven days later he doesn't again. It goes those walks out the car walk though same Walmart. Say she'd been arrested yet. Elo How do I have? A blue hair. Wanted to see my receipt for a bag of apples. Every time I go through there I will say he gets who large screen. Tv's without even asking for a receipt separate time. Those sixty five inches are what four? Five hundred bucks. That's under the thousand dollar spring. Maybe Broward County. They're doing the Dallas County San Francisco. La Under a thousand bucks. They don't stop you. I don't know I don't know for sixty five. Incher would be under a thousand bucks. Yeah it was seven hundred twenty one gifted me top of the line and was seven hundred. Something Bucks you get five minutes for under that at Walmart. Yeah without ABS- no you're right. Yeah I mean if you want up if you wanted to sixty five is that actually has some capabilities through the Internet. She has two of them for the price of none right and nobody cared to even say. Hey here's me ma'am You forgot to go to the cash register with that. Oh God I want. I forget that I pay for an online. I just picked it up over at the orange counter right. Paper asked later also that the trump administration could allow churches and other religious organizations to receive federal aid. Oh boy to pay salaries and bills. Oh boy dangerous. I think about The Hague. Now the the heck if you accept this churches you're going to regret it big time eventually. That's what they're saying. There's just a grey or they have no idea what what this is going to look like legally down the Pike and how the I just don't not a good idea despite the announcement Some churches are looking for more assurance that the acceptance of federal funds won't lead to any government infringe- infringement infringement. On Religious Freedom Look for that assurance they might even provide it. But it's not going to happen. For example many churches would not hire a member of the lgbtq eight to plus community because the co that conflicts with Christian believes. However you get in bed with the government and they're going to tell you what you can and can't do the companies all the time right. You take their money and now you're beholden to them forever. Yeah it's just an all the time that's part of the bill just passed absolutely. Yes yes unless you want us to allow your employees to unionize. Oh by the way. That's the colleges right. Colleges universities they take the government money they have to bow down to the government after everybody but Hillsdale if you have any kind of link to the federal government whatsoever in your institution of higher learning. Then congratulations you. Just unleash the hounds of Hell from Washington DC on your campus Do you have a hospital or clergy members? That maybe aren't friendly the LGBTQ QA to not anymore because that's discrimination Do you perform same sex marriages Do you provide for abortions in your hospitals. Will now you do because we just gave you that money? And president trump. I mean that's the headline of the story right. He wants churches to be able to get this money. And I don't think he has any ill-will toward any kind of religious organization. I don't I don't think so either. But a WHO knows where I was going to be pulling on the of power in the Oval Office year from now Ryan Beyond. You just don't know so careful. Churches careful trump knows the money machine is earned on. They're not going to shut off they. Just keep pouring new ink in it. And they're just printing money till it until there's no end and just wants to help he's thinking We'll get Bo cast. I need everybody needs a little help. We did what we just. I duNno turn the economy back on. How about we let us go to work? Let's stores open. Yep What do you want people to Die Jeffy? Is that what you want? Are you turning Americans? He made no effort to The Hague. You may not be the best barometer. That's for sure conversation. She's I mean that's why just because we're only printing this stuff it just it doesn't matter we don't actually have cash reserves. We don't actually have any money whatsoever. In fact twenty three trillion in debt. So all we do is print more money and why not just print it all and we just planted some more of those trees. Some of those trees the grow money right. Yeah right there on the branches we just we just a whole new forest of them just planted them. So we're good. The only thing that stands in our way from spending more money is we need to cut down more trees to turn into the paper that we use for the cash. That's let's cut down every tree on this planet and just start bringing money they are they. Are you have everybody in this country and every country a million dollars? Let's just everybody's a millionaire fan of that and I'm a fan of saying that any bill that I have I don't anymore but that's what I want. Yeah wow what the government money and I want them to say. I know you're Kinda backed up on a couple of bills. Don't worry about it. You don't have to pay it anymore. Okay thank you speaking of not paying bills you know. That's that's one of the things that they could do. That would be fairly a conservative move. Rather than just sending people money is convinced banks to a halt to just put a moratorium for three months on mortgages. Yes that data absolutely should already and then the local and state governments can cut the property taxes out for three months and that saves people a fortune. Yes that's a those. Those two things alone should already happened. There's no doubt about that yes. I'm really surprised that it hasn't stopped planning out money like it's candy and just make things less burdensome on the American. He would probably come out ahead in your wallet. Yeah you're right if you if you take three months of mortgage put it on pause and just shift. Everything by three months eliminate these property taxes for that time period as well. That's more than you're going to get from the direct deposit from the IRS. Anyhow no doubt about it. Yep You're saying I'm not going to get the direct deposit if that happens wait a minute. I want fold. Of course you do one of the most to get here in the next. Yeah next couple of weeks. Yeah Good Good. I want my million dollars No no no no no. No you mis read the story. I don't know what's happening all right Tomorrow we gotta talk about this a listen Milano thing. This is fascinating to me. She's you know she's been one of the METOO leader. He's a piece of work and she's one of the people who said when a woman makes an accusation. You must believe them well. All of a sudden her favourite candidate for President Joe Biden. Oh yeah is now. Accused of sexual assault is changed. Ever so slightly. Well I mean it's the opposite once you just gave away tomorrow. There's more to tell her. We'll do it tomorrow. You'RE ON FAT. Greyling

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Mowing Devil - 153

"Welcome friends. How do heretic? Uncle Mark. Dan. This is your users guide to life on the outside. Leaving Religions verstappen or larger. To can also be scary world. Differently now. Never fear, that's why we're here. We're audio uncles and with from good friends and experts in all sorts of fields were to share the stories and Zeke knowledge to build a great life. After all the only get the old we'd better break. Hell fellas. That was kind of the Alex Jones slash gold prospectors, slash something opening. We needed but now I can't imagine living without it. I feel like everyone is retroactively clamoring for it. I don't think people out there in radio land understand how hot it is in our houses, right? Because, we had to turn off the AC two podcast. So we're kind of we're hallucinating a little bit. So we're also suffering from smoke inhalation from California. Seriously, can you come get your smoke? It's not for us here we have delicate lungs fire sucks but I really don't appreciate the smoke. Okay. I'm going to be a Utah Karen. Rain, your forests California Jesus fucking for us. Well Anyway. We gotTA show. It's a full and. I time I can say that there are no I don't think anybody's going to cry. Yeah. There are no triggered warnings to serve think of the opening which. I I have a bit of a trigger warning in that mine does involve Oh the sexual assault in it there is a sexual assault but when you read the Bible guess what you're going to get. It's the Bible. Well, I'm starting things out with. A utterly pointless prank that that exploded all over the world i. became something. Wonderful. Yeah. Yeah and I am as I as we mentioned before going to read from the bad book. Yup and I am going to talk about boundaries, how the fuck do they work and so. Let's just let's just run right into this mess. Let's. Dan Yes. You know there's an old saying. I do know that there's an old saying that the corn is as high as an elephants I. On July I think is that by the by by the way? If not the latest, the speed dispirit is there. It's as high as elvin tie and it looks like it's climbing clear up to the sky. Good I knew I could rely on you for a first Equa Homa referencing Oklahoma Oklahoma. Oklahoma I literally get. So says you there may have been mammoths at one point according to the book of Mormon. There were elephants in in Oklahoma. Exactly. So your wrong and that pre, which is garden of of the Garden of Eden adjacent. So. Yeah exactly just south match love. Well. I guess I'll just take it. What are you start doing your thing anytime you want to start doug that's right. Oh, this goddamn corona virus is forced to all to figure out different ways to communicate. To test new technologies and and get good at things that we didn't even know existed six months ago mostly what this has led to is pants lowest business meetings and a Supreme Court justice taking a dump during oral arguments. However, what's et a Supreme Court justice did that you didn't hear you didn't hear that. No I didn't eat the true. Guys. Where have you been during oral arguments that were being done over the conference call somebody flushed the toilet. Of the United States Supreme Court of the United. States. Supreme. Court Oh my God this woman did a deep dive trying to figure out who it wasn't. She thinks it was just a suitor. Really. I would have put money on. Well. No I was GONNA I was GONNA say Thomas, but he was asleep he couldn't have done it. US totally sleep. Maybe it was the the ghost of Scalia. Contributing as much as he did. Exactly fucking. Toilet. Oh Yeah. That happened and we all learned new things about ourselves. Definitely better co workers, houses and apartments and attention hogging cats. We've become masters of your your go to meetings, emails, conference calls texts, even using facebook, twitter, and instagram to communicate in new ways. Well uncles. It may surprise you to know that none of these were the first form of mass long range communication. I'm old enough to remember when my family only had one telephone. You remember those days oh. Yeah. I was literally does thinking about that. The other day about how like a no misuse we used to want to get the phone young people won't understand this, but we would run. Run when the phone rang to be the person to say, Hello Yeah, it was it was it was the best thing in the world yeah and it says if bad news never came in the seventies, right? And I'm old enough to I don't know if you guys know this. But when I was a kid, you didn't own the phone. We leased it from. From bell or whomever the own the monopoly was we? saw. Yeah you didn't it. That's so Brazil. Isn't it? It's like you don't even own your phone with very weird. So yeah, I, mean I remember when you know that was the the main form of mass communication, and of course, I'm old enough to remember the world changing breakthrough in tactile long range communication that was hands across. America. has never been the same no, it changed everything. Didn't it? Well, fortunately now we have the world peace because of it. So that was. What was the cause I don't even remember? I don't even know what was. It was just hippy dippy I think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, however, today to talk about a form of long range communication that is without a doubt far more glutinous and for dumber than any, we've mentioned so far today I want to talk about crop circles. So if you're fifty five or over crop circles are those things on the cover of the led Zeppelin. Re. Masters. Over forty. If you're over forty there, those things from that stupid stumble movie signs, and if you're under thirty led Zeppelin was a rock band night Shamlan movie director and crops with those things your parents used to eat in the before times. We've none of that rings a bell well, then come with you to a different and if you can believe it more gullible time in place than than our current moment in one hundred percent don't. Care about possible the places Wilshire England the time is is summer nineteen, sixty seven. The New Age movement was in full swing crystal futures were through the roof. Caravans of credulous white people were streaming from all over the world to the California desert and towels New Mexico. The Daily News was lousy with stories of mystical energy, strange occurrences, alien sightings, and worst of all silly love songs by Paul McCartney and wings was on top of the charts it was time. It was in this bizarre time that a farmer in southern. England, walked out to I. Don't know personally inseminate his flock. I don't know what farmers do. And saw a perfect circle of flattened barley in the center of his field causing him to extreme exclaim the immortal words are mcchord. It's hard to overstate how big a deal this was in the pre goop world. Not least because Wilshire was already one of the epicenters of the new age movement, this is after all the home of Stonehenge. One of the world's premier hinges. Yeah. As well as the stone probably the best hand I would don't it's in the top ten it's in the top ten. I'd give top three, four shore. Right. Reading, disagree. This is also the home of the stone circles of burry which are to this day thought to be connected with laylines which uncle Dan talked about back in episode one fifty suck it and the giant hill figures of Sern and Wilmington. So this place is you know Big Deal to new age and was a big deal to the new age movement. So. What would later be coined crop circles began showing up all over southern England and overnight became a global sensation leading almost as quickly to a new science. On. The science of crop circles no. Yes. Word. You use spell it with quotation marks around it exactly. How do you spell it like? Well, that's funny. It sounds like cereal it C. E. R.. G. And it's It's named after the Roman Goddess of Agriculture, series right, and not from the fact that the science the medium of this science is cereal grains. Make more sense would. So hoping that was I well to be fair cereal derives its name from the same goddess. So you know there's we are. So this dovetailed perfectly with the science of UFOLOGY or UFO. UFOLOGY YOUR Follow Who? Who Foggy? because he's crop circles were immediately identified as UFO, landing sites, and remember this was in the height of the alien abduction cattle mutilation frenzy that was going around the world right before long crop circles began popping up in Australia Canada, the US and other places around the world. Now, before we Austrailia did they swirl the other way. It's a fair question. I'm, not a serial adjust but. Think. About this. I would be so happy to find out that that was true that the. Doing the other way. Coriolis effect applies so funny before we delve into who or what was causing these and what what could possibly mean. Let's give a little more context to them which will help explain how they became such a perfect snare for the weak minded. As early as the seventeenth century in England, there was a phenomenon called fairy rings which were caused by fungi in which Kinda left around dead area in fields of crops. Then in sixteen seventy, eight, a pamphlet was published. Call the called the mowing devil. In Hartford Scheider. I want the pamphlet. It's so cute. Look it up. It's really funny and Pronounce Devil Devil of course it is. The told the story of a farmer who balked at the local mowing fees which I didn't know her thing. It's the ammon Bundy of its time. So he stated that rather have the devil do it then the devil cut is field which in the dead of night he did I see the pamphlet, it's wonderful. There's a little devil mowing the lawn. This is believed to be the first story of a crop circle. However, it's worth noting that the wheat in this case was cut not bent. As is the case in modern crop circles. Suggest to nineteen sixties when ufo sightings were all the rage so much so that Jimmy Carter claimed to have seen one. The stories began to circulate about alien landing sites, which in some cases, left flatten circles and fields no corroboration of course existed but rumours of these saucer nests began to become very widespread. Then in nineteen seventy, four, the movie phase for was released the only film directed by Saul Bass by the way. Really Yeah if you. Titled Designer Yeah Almost. Every movie poster of the Arrow was was drawn by Saul Bass Yeah and he made any did titles title sequence. Exact. Gorgeous Yeah Yup. Yup the movie was about a deadly invasion of ants controlled by aliens from. Outer. Space. And sported not one but two tag lines the first was the day the Earth was turned into a cemetery. and. Right off the. A little clunky, but we'll. We'll give that was close. How about the second one ravenous invaders controlled by a tear out in space commanded to annihilate the world. Rolls Right off the time. The only notable thing about this movie, it contains the first known depiction of a saucer nest. Then, in the summer of Nineteen, seventy-six, actual saucer nest began to appear actual in the sense that you could walk to one gaze upon it, and even step inside to soak up residual energy that might be left behind and boy did people line up to do just that? Yeah. Because if something that traveled across the university is likely highly radioactive exactly. That's what you WanNa do is get some yet in there we'll isn't that the plot of cocoon. It is. That's true. Yeah. That's what gave him the the Blue Steel Boehner. Sequel to that movie the. Farmers were ecstatic to lose a few percentages of an acre of crops to be able to charge a farthing or to let people wander around. What was causing these increasingly more complex patterns theories ran the gamut from the stupid to the crazy They were signs of alien landing craft. They were messages from one alien craft to another surely the dumbest form of communication. They were. Telling us to leave her alone Were focal points of the Earth's magnetic field you name it somebody believed it. The aforementioned. Syria. Maintain that steel cannot burn that hot. Oh, sorry that that we that we cannot bend like that and only microwaves could account for such a phenomenon. More scientifically minded people sought more logical explanations such as I or possibly in the case of Australian circles a Willy Willy, which is apparently Australian for Dust Devil. Or even even possibly, and I am not making this up crazed Tasmanian wallabies high of opium poppies running in circles. My buddies. I love Australia. I. If we're ever allowed to travel again, let's let's do a live show in Australia. But like for people is big English. They literally have a different word for everything. Works. It's like it's like A. Country whose language was written by Dr Seuss. Movie. So my favorite explanation was meteorologist killed by a dust. Devil there does is cause of death say Certificate, I mean people die of dust devils in the US. You'd be surprised probably although you've just made it a life goal of mine to die of. Australia surprised the government's keeping big weather's keeping a lid on it. So my favorite explanation, just ensure number of of syllables was meteorologist terrence maiden who in nineteen eighty blamed electro magneto hydrodynamic plasma vortices. Yes Zach CLASSIC OPRAH THE USUAL SUSPECTS Always, the one. Guy. Gets it. The Kaiser. So say of crops. It bears mentioning that actual scientists at the time among them Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan immediately recognized these is complete hoaxes and tried to stop people from falling for them. This frenzy continued unabated through that throughout the nineteen eighties tell Nineteen ninety-one when two venerable gentlemen from Wilshire came out and declared that it had been them all along. It turns out that these proper Englishman Doug Bauer and David Charlie are the mowing devil. That's right. They were enjoying a pint in nineteen, seventy six and over there. Terrible English beer. Sorry England it's true. No, it's good. Don't don't listen to him. It's too warm. That's what I'd like I'd like a warmer and less bubbles please I'd really like to savor the taste of this terrible beer you need to learn to appreciate an Ale? Anyway. They were shaking their heads at the stupidity of the New Age Movement when Bauer said to Charlie quotes let's go over and make it look like a flying saucer has landed. From humble origins is really. So they procured a rope and board in less than an hour unleashed a plague of stupid on the world that persist to this day. Yeah. Is Genius Little Monkey wrenching they did and the thing is if you believe that because as we all actually, no yes aliens just paid them to say. Big Willy Willy wants you to believe A. This funny thing about these two guys is you think of pranksters you're probably thinking of the Yes. Men or the Jerky boys or something like that. These are two of the most like Prim and proper. Englishman are they young like Stuffy Aristocratic Englishman but they just had one too many pints said. They're, GONNA fuck with everybody. I don't think they realized what they were unleashing but hey, go. So even though they confessed and on camera show the world how it was done the dirt paste was out of the tube and there was no stopping it. Yeah. I, exactly said like any conspiracy theory just know that doesn't prove anything anything. Any counter evidence is evidence. Exactly. A lack of evidence just shows how deep it goes. although do confession in the fact that youtube is chock full videos of people making crop circles, they have faded from the forefront of most mystical minded people however. There are still many people who believe in their they're kind of mystic or this is after all the age of. And Gwen of ultra so. With, the addition of GPS and lasers crop circles we're going to find out eventually the Gwyneth is Q.. Shot fucking funny. That would be. that. would be worth it. Just a giant marketing campaign I don't ask for a lot I just need this. And she's the mowing devil. With the addition of GPS and lasers crop circles have taken on incredible complexity. In the last several years, you should look just do a google search. The Hannah's how Dana's. Trading so beautiful beautiful. Yeah. With simple circles, giving way to fractionals portrait's and even corporate logos and even still people worship them so and before you ask yes. Yes. There are crop circle penises. So yeah any penises? There are so many crop circle penises that I'm shocked Ammon Bundy and his merry band of Ding dongs have not occupied a farm in Iowa. Four as it says for, as it says in seventy five chapter, nine verse to fourteen quotes whether are large penises there you will find. For Low though I walk through the Valley of the shadow of Girth, I shall fear no foreskin for the art, my Rod, and my staff hold firm to the Iron Rod Penis So. Let's. That's true. All. Yeah. That's one of my favorite when they read that in conference. Very Spirit. Of all the explanations theories, crop circles none are better than that of the unnamed ufo expert played by David Cross. Can Christopher guest near perfect film waiting for Guffman while standing outside crop. Circle near Blaine Missouri quote. I've been coming out to this landing site every day for two years to measure it, and here's the thing the circumference and diameter changed a few inches yet the radius remains the same. With me back to the number five, there are five letters in the name Blaine bear six mix up. Mix Up the word Blaine mix it around and eventually get Nepali Nepali the name of the planet in a galaxy. Way. Way Way Far Away. I'll tell you another thing. Once you step inside the circle, the weather never changes. It's always sixty seven degrees with a forty percent chance of rain. Oh so there you have it a prank gone wrong I don't think anybody's been killed by crop circles except for Mel Gibson's career. I I am telling you that is if you think gun, right. Exactly. What you want do you really think that crop circles made made Mel Gibson and antisemitic drunk is that what you're saying so We've just. To bring this conspiracy theory to the Jews. Does your take many steps. I'm sure the mowing devil was accused of being joining. Your nose. Well that was that was some delicious reality. Great Great Aid derp. So yeah right. I. Get aboard and a rope and get out into your neighbor's field go and ruin somebody's crops scared no reason right. But fly out of here. You know Uncle Doug I am here they say there was a secret cord. Who's they that David played and it pleased the Lord I'm very musical today for some. Time does that from is that from something? From, it's from the Song Hallelujah. Yeah. and that's all I know about that story. On Yep move. Exactly, limitations of Mark's musical knowledge. Well, we've we listen guys. We've covered a lot of David story in the Bible. We we've talked about his his secret cute love affair when back when he was a a cord plan lubes tweak loot boy. Yeah. Had that lovely lovely affair with with Jonathan But. We haven't covered everything. In his story, we did cover his the sexy dance in front of the ARC. Covered a lot of. which is we are two stories in the Bible does. Everything's a weird story in the Bible true So yes, I dug keeps trying to tell us about the New Testament, but I say, that's premature. How can the New Testament make any sense when we don't have a solid understanding of the foundation? Hey, text is built the New Testament. It's what's new. Yes and what a shitty marshy stink hole of foundation it is so. You know. Wonders actually. If Jesus wasn't God's I attempted starting a Messianic New testament all the other Gods said, it was daft to build a new testament in a swamp, but he built one all the same. It sank into the swamp. So he built a second one that sink into the swamp. He builds a third one that one burned down fell over and then sink into the swamp but a fourth Messiah stood. Anyway. I WANNA go back to second Samuel. Two, Samuel for my any Maga listeners who said. Own. Game Yeah exactly. When when we last left, second Samuel in episode forty Uncle Doug had taken us through the story of one of the bibles few genuinely good guys Urawa the hittite. who was then married to Bethsheba? Get for being a good guy. Oh. Yeah It didn't go well. As a quick reminder. Your was a soldier in King David's Army. You won't find a more loyal soldier and all the land but David happened to see your wife Bath Sheba's boobs one time, and so he had killed so that could keep keep her for himself. So because he's the good guy yeah, exactly. Sucks to be you. Yeah Anyway now. To its credit I gotta say, this is one of the rare instances where the Bible actually explicitly says that something horrible that one of its main has done was in fact. Bad Shocking though may be in the chapter after that whole mess happened Nathan. A prophet of the Lord comes to David and actually tells him that what he did was wrong. Now considering this books track record on condemning bad things. I'm genuinely impressed by them. Yeah. Mind, you. Come right out and say it so you don't. You don't you know last long as a prophet if you make a habit of telling kings ship bags no. So he tells the most pathetic story about a rich man poor man who lived in a town the rich man had lots of sheep's and cow's the poor man had nothing. But a single baby sheep to his name. He loved that sheep so much. He read that sheep from his own bowl and they drink from the same cup he even spooned with the sheep to get to sleep. Okay Yeah I, mean it stopped short. They're so good. then. One day traveler comes to the rich man popular story in Wyoming. It does well, do it didn't do it. Right I didn't either. But you know this somebody's got a spike that set anyway. The rich man doesn't want to feed the traveler from his own flocks. So he takes the poor man's sheep and kills it and feeds it to the traveler, which is a dick move. Now this is a bit of a clumsy metaphor for what David did to your idea but because the Bible is terrible at time, we have to remember that this was a while after that all that stuff happened by now David had married Bethsheba and she had already borne him a son a son whose name mysteriously was not given. So. When David here's Nathan. Story about the theft the beloved sheep he gets furious that rich guys Dick as should be put to death at which point Nathan says dude, it's you you remember but instead of killing the sheep, you killed the poor guy in fucked the sheep. Crowd that didn't sound right I mean that you had the poor guy killed for you by hanging him out to dry on the field of battle and you took the sheep and married it anyway. The Lord's pissed is the answer. So boom chalk one up for the Bible it actually got. moral. Correct I love that moment where David surrounding error. I love the moment where David's like. So what you're saying is What I did was wrong. Yeah. To to which he responded. Yes. Don't worry though that won't become a trend the Bible continue to get CORREC-. And what is God's punishment for all of this you guessed it unnamed son takes ill and dies, which is sad. But considering the fact that David had no fewer than ten wives in fact, he probably outweigh more than that. Most of whom bore him plenty of kids. One kid down was kind of a drop in the bucket. Really. Yeah and was event as was by the fact that David Begged God not to take his son and fasted and prayed and his clothes and wept and wailed. But then when he was told that the kid died, he stood up and went to dinner. When is when a servants asked about that? He literally said this is a quote. While the child was alive I fasted and wept and I thought who knows maybe the Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live. But now that he's dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back? We pass pepper. Thanks. Well, so he's got. If you consider that in Bible time your your baby was. More. Likely to die than live right right it. Why even include the story? Why even include the story should be the motto of the book is I am going to continue telling a whole bunch of why even include the story I. Love It. So, David was one offspring down but he definitely had plenty he had planted plenty of seeds. So he was not wanting for progeny. So let's talk about the other children of David, but we won't go into his most famous child wise king. Solomon since we covered his best business read most horrifying idiotic. BACK IN EPISODE FORTY THREE Instead. We'll go to the next chapter of Second Samuel Lucky chapter thirteen but before we do. Can I take a minute to say that the Bible is just a Shitty book. I'm not talking about the morality of it and the fact that the main character God is a bundle of contradictions that make it all absurd on its face look. So many people have told me that even if I don't believe that it's true, the Bible is still great literature. faulk. that. is so garbage how can you call a book? Great Literature Win it spends page after page on mind numbing lists of WHO Begat. And Chapter after chapter on whether you can or can't eat weasels but then won't. Then when it comes time to tell an actual story, it breaks every rule of decent storytelling. Yeah. No back story no setup at all no world building whatsoever just launching with bare facts and string those bags together with the thinnest of threads. Yeah or hell why does a story after make any sense at all just say thing happened gives us no reason why you told us and move onto the next inexplicable nonsense with the details of maybe a police report like society sparse. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry just. Just needed to rant that was APP. Was Apropos absolutely nothing anyway. Davidson Amnon fell in love with his sister. Surprise? Yeah. Well, yeah. Which is exactly how chapter thirteen launches. It just is like, Hey, this happened. Well. So so did Adam if you think about it, right there you go. Well, that was like clone out of love with his his trans clone. That's right. Anyway. So this was his half sister. They had different moms but we're both both were David's kids. So tomorrow, the object of Amens lust was the whole sister. Of Absalom Absalom was the third son of King David by Maka who was David's maybe fish wife hard to tell. Anyway, he certainly wasn't anybody special in the line up except maybe that he was hot like super sexy great hair. Anyway, am Amnon became obsessed with Tamar and his lust was so crazed that he literally made himself sick but you know they were half siblings so he couldn't really have her apparently there were some rules back then about what a woman What what woman a son of a king can have go figure. So, Amnon went to his adviser John Dab who is described as quote a very shrewd man so good he brought in a smart guy to help out and Jonah Dab didn't disappoint he devised a brilliant plot. He told Amnon to pretend to be ill and when dad comes to see him, request that Tamar come in and bake him some bread. You know they're in the room where he could see her and nobody would think that's weird because as we all know, there's no better medicine than watching someone bake. Amnon could trust that she feed him the bread. So. That's it. That was the big plan. It's entirely unclear what this was supposed to accomplish the timeless art of Seduction, right? Exactly. It's a yeah. I'm frequently mystified by the rules of the ancient Middle East. So I kept waiting for the moment when John Dab would say, and then once you've seen her make bread, she may she may be eligible for you to marry based on the law of wheat or Then when she has tended to see you, you may claim nurses privilege and Mary her or something. No the whole plan that was deemed important enough to put in the fucking. Bible seems to have been a ruse just to beat in the same room with her for a while we'll don't note king shame I mean I'm sure there's a porn channel for baking. I'm just saying for lower yeah. Yeah. I mean who is Of course, there's one for. Any all I'm saying is that middle school boys have more foresight than that when they're cooking up schemes and Idiots I know I was one. Literature Anyway the plan goes off without a hitch. He fakes sick and gets to watch her bake. Amazing. But. Maybe there was one little hitch oddly waiting for bread didn't turn out to be the very satisfying outcome for Amnon who who predicted that. So he did what any Bible character would do in that situation he anybody grapes sister. Oh. Yeah And then when that was done. He suddenly hated her so great. Here's the. Often, how young love kind of flourishes senior That would've worked anyway. Here's the actual verse. Quote. Then Amnon hated her exceedingly so that the hatred where he hated her was greater than the love where with he had loved her. Literature you're right. Yeah. The poetry. And the moral course. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And then he He. Amnon, said onto her arise be gone. Now you might think that rising and being gone would be exactly what a woman who had just been raped by her brother would want to do but no those wacky ancient Middle Eastern rules kicked in and when you're a woman in the Middle East ancient or otherwise there's a really good chance. Those rules won't work out well for you. Not that I actually understand what the rules were. All I know is that when Amnon told Tamar to leave, she begged him not to kick her out saying quote. Sending me away would be a greater wrong. Then what you have already done to me so Ohio. No. But Amnon summoned to servant because it's rude. Like that's just screwed. Look, you're being bad host. It's one. It's one thing to rape a person but to be a bad host, the bread still in the oven. You said, I could watch TV. So. So yeah. He he had thrown out. Having, suffered both of those disgraces I rape, and then the much worse thing of being forced to leave the room weather, her rapist was. She tore her ornate princess dress and smeared ash on her face and put her hands on her head and went away weeping loudly. Brother. Her other brother, her whole brother ob Salaam. comforted. Her by saying quote. Be Quiet for now my sister he is your brother don't take this thing to heart. Lesson from the Bible when calm comforting a rape victim tell them not to worry about it. Boy Men have always been shit yeah yeah. We are not good. No So we have we have proof just. Just chill Jeez. But. Did take her in and let her live with him a quote desolate woman. I would not be moving in with any more of my brothers at this point. Listen I'm not falling for baking bread thing again. Hey will you make? No? No, I won't I am now I I am now not Baker I'm a sous chef now. So. Their Dad David got real real real real mad when he heard about it so there's that I mean nothing actually happened but oh And Absalon totally gave 'em and the silent treatment. So there you go. Two years later though absalom US playing the long game, he brought in some shearers and had a huge sheep shearing party and invited all of his brothers I mean what this is this was going to be the biggest sharing party of the year. He wanted dad to come but dad said, no. But all the brothers came because that shearing was GONNA be lit. Then absalon had his men kill Amnon which was oh you no surprise. But turned out to be a huge bummer for the party and the DJ wasn't all that. Great. So all the other brothers had their valet bring their mules around and high tailed it out of their. King David I got the news about what happened from Breitbart which apparently reported the Cunanan had said that absalon had killed all of his sons. So it was pretty upset about that but then facebook linked to a fact check about it. From a better news source. So he calmed down a little bit, but he was still pretty upset for sure. So absolute jumped on his mighty mule and fled to tell my and chilled for a few years until his dad wasn't mad at him anymore, and then came back to Jerusalem. Eventually you get over murder. Yeah. I mean he gets it. There was that whole that whole. Dishonoring his sister sort of things. You know it it all plays out as it must. but things weren't likely to be. As they as they once were. Absalom came back but he's started rabble-rousing people would complain that David Wasn't hearing their disputes like a good judge of Israel should an absalon was fanning the flames of discontent? He was all my dad won't listen to you. So you can't get justice too bad. I'm not the guy I totally listen to you. He did this a lot Eventually, he had a bunch of supporters so many in fact that he declared himself the king, you went to Lebron, which was the former capital and he started a revolt against his dad. He even slept with his concubines switch. Family Inc this. Yeah and then and the people loved him like most of the people you gotta remember this is the sexy guy with the long hair. He was basically Middle Eastern Jason Momoa. So by the way when you said he slept with the concubines. Was it consensual. Does it matter? What is that is consent of thing. Bible. The consent is like for men. Women don't get that. Okay I can send. Let's do this. She's yeah. Think about bread. For you. Anyway. Handsome Devil that he is. It worked and he drove his dad into hiding with what few troops had stuck by him and absalom, became king but. David had spies in absolute court and they gave him bad advice which gave David Time to prep his forces, the final battle was approaching. Absalom and his army met David's army at the would of e from. This proved to be disastrous place to have a final showdown. The army's ready themselves. The war horns were blown and Absolu a striped astride his mighty steed mule charged into battle. Lower glorious hair triumphantly flowing behind him in sexy slow motion. Unfortunately those lovely locks of his got tangled in a tree and is. One running out from under him, leaving him dangling there by his hair. It's such a buster. Keaton moment isn't it? It really is I'm sorry if you're mule runs out from underneath you and your, you just put your feet down right No. Not In this case apparently, he was not tall enough for that hit unusually short legs and was just dangling there So you Kinda just hung there for a while until one of David's men found him. In that guy went and told one of the captains in David's army and they all went and Kinda just looked at him for a minute. 'til they figured out what to do about it. S Two story well, David had said not to kill Absalom. Absalom had been addict to that captain. So after he watched him struggle with that tree for awhile, he's stabbed him to death with three spurs to the heart. That'll do it. After that Everything? Just kind of went back to the way had been before all this mess and David was king. Again. He's satisfying ending to a gripping story. Again, why? WAS THAT WAS Fairly pointless. Does it impute like. What moral does it tell? Well, there's there's that whole thing about writing under a tree when you're got long hair so. Know if you guys have this when you're young and in shop class that show you those films about. You. Tuck your tie in because we've got is of course stuck. Before you operate the giant industrial metal lathe. And for you know ladies and shop class to pull their hair back. So I guess they didn't have those films sold their hair back and gather up their skirts. PETTICOATS. Center it they hadn't learned these lessons yet I do love the idea of him riding into battle on his donkey. Like his feet two inches above the ground. It was a mule, not a donkey they're. With that little truck. Wait comeback. God. Damn it. I'm just hang on I think I can get free I'll just move this over here. Oh, that's worse. Maybe. It's a lesson in the in the dangers of male vanity yeah. Every every longhaired guy we've talked about so far his hair has been his downfall should have cut like a red blooded. American, Boy Goddamn. That's you're right. That's how it should be nothing nothing. But who's the good guy in the story? Right like. The Guy got who raped his sister gets killed in the guy who kills him gets killed and David who killed Araya and raped Bethsheba is king. Again, you're back on top. Everything works out in the end. Yes. it's a beautiful story. So revered. And really guys it's not. It's not about like the let's not bicker and argue about who killed. It's mostly just about the poetry. Yeah. I feel like that's that's what we really need to focus, and then it gives way to pros and then it gives way to a strange list and that's All right. Well, let's Let's pull the object on this bullshit by Absalom by. Boys Fellow Hello listen I. DON'T WANNA I don't want to linger too long on this but we gotta pass the the collection plate around. Nearly eleven this is one of those things you know if all of those mega pastors can can do it then. So can we got damaged? So what what is the point of shaking my moneymaker if it doesn't make money? Yeah, exactly. So All y'all need to give us your goddamn money and some of Y'all have done so and we owe some thanks so. Thank you so much to Denise Nicole glowering the deceiver? Jove and Arsenault. You guys are amazing. You're the wind beneath our wings, your the gas in our engine and beneath our knees, and if you listener who isn't one of them would like to join them in the in the noble quest of giving us money I think you ought to and the way to do it is to go to heretic dot com and click on the support thing and and there are ways to support us and we love it. and. If you don't have you know if if you're on the P P P or whatever, and you don't have a lot of money to give us that's fine too. But go and write a review. We're not I'm not calling for stars this time I'm saying, yes, you have to give us five stars but also, but also writer review that says Nice things about us so that other people can find us and that's helpful to. And really the stars do help and if you if you have an opportunity to do it, it's it has a lot to do with maths and. Algorithm something called algorithms yes. So do that for us. We love you. That's like a digital kiss across the ether and we consent. Yes. So thanks so much you guys. Let's move on. Pan Doug Hello. Show me your penis. Here you go. Wow, you have no boundaries. No. Believe me. It was already out. Well, that's true. Are Any of his wearing clothes at this moment? I'm wearing intimate night things. So I guess that lingerie is closed. Yes. I've said to you. If I'm not if I'm not mistaken for the lacy stuff, which I think is a class. Thank you. I'm very traditional that way. So. I was trying, I was trying to step on uncle boundaries but apparently, those don't exist on mark you may need to teach us a little. Just, Pena's away. No. No you mean up leave it up. If you put it away in the same room, you're sitting in then yes. Getting sunburned. So anyway, you know what guys I`ve I've really been looking at both sides of the argument weighing the evidence listening to the experts doing a little soul searching taking a long hard look in the mirror and I've decided it's time to build the wall. Oh Yeah Oh my page. Usually chanted did you think I was talking about Hitler's racist dog whistle while that is goons used to fleece. Bigoted dopes out of twenty, five million bucks and they could buy boats and villas in Italy I was hoping you were saying but not bill linear inch the actual wall no good. Gracious. Fuck that Shit. I thought we were getting on the ground floor of phase two. New. New. Leaders Underneath. Yeah exactly. Twenty, five, million that's for us now so. Let me be more precise rather than walls. I'm all for building a more semi permeable demarcation. That may allow some to pass through but not others but when clearly marked for anyone venturing close to see, let's call it boundary. Okay okay guys I would hazard a guess. That more than funny hats, magic underpants, tales of never seen. But for sure real miraculous happenings shared in their congregations one of the most common issues shared by any and all of our friends and listeners out there is trouble with personal boundaries. Yeah. In the modern parlance, personal boundaries are limitations people place. On what they're willing to do or endure vis-a-vis other people. Even those people are family friends or intimate partners. Boundaries are good and healthy, and ultimately reduce stress and lead to better relationships regardless of what sort of relationship is. Boundaries are things normal people have but we are not normal. Are We? At. Its or at least we weren't raised normal. Totally. So it's not just that we three total factory defects, but most of or all of our listeners who came out of a high demand or even moderately fucked up religious experience. But. Why is this the case? Normal Sane parents unbothered by fears of Hell and panic attacks about their toddler children's chastity start allowing certain boundaries to develop as their children mature. Sure, when your baby and you yourself five times a day and eat lunch from. Close relatives teat. There aren't really any boundaries speak of, but as kids get older non religiously deranged parents may allow certain milestones of privacy to develop. Never. Blake never violating a serious level of trust by reading their diary allowing the bedroom door to be shut not embarrassing them by kissing them when they dropped them off at school and these moments can be really hard for loving parents. But they know they're teaching their young charges that they have the right to privacy and dignity and bodily autonomy. But if like like suckers. Idiots would you teach that? But if like me and Doug, you were raised by sex panic hysterical religious Zena phobes these ideas were never really instilled you. In fact quite the opposite. Many of us are taught from our earliest cognition that we have none of those rights. The idea of them even existing in abstract is inconceivable to those raised in high demand or cultish environments. A good parenting good parenting. Doug were we ever allowed to chew to close our bedroom door? No. Did you possess a single object or square inch of space that was off limits to constant invasion and confiscation buyer saintly para? nope. We had our rooms tossed on the regular. Yeah they seriously like a prison, they would tie wardens would up yet. And let's just take the Mormon example. Just. Before the age of eight a lifelong series of one on one interviews with your warm bishop begins they're usually twice-yearly and continue throughout your entire life. Mormon bishops in less by some corker professional happenstance do not have any experience or training in child and family therapy. At risk or endangered children or anything of the sort. They are lay clergy called up for a few years at a time to serve in the role, and they're normally they don't really have full-time jobs as lawyers, car salesman or dentists or whatever. And from the waning days of age seven, they are part of a larger community effort to groom children to never expect to have boundaries in their lives. Yeah. I use the word grooming very intentionally a word normally used to describe how pedophile develop their targets. Yup, this is a very similar behavior instructing children, pre adolescents and adolescents that they have. No Right to privacy that their bodies are not remotely their own business. And even their emotions and fantasies are to be presented to an adult authority on demand. By. Early early adolescence bishops interviews are nightmarishly pointed. And should be legally way out of bounds asking unaccompanied children about masturbation sexual fantasies, as well as a host of other probing. Quote moral inquiries right totally and then and also like just as a quick aside from my own life reading each other out oh. Yeah. Sure, you're literally like, yeah, it's it's. It's about as bad as as and and. Violating, it can get anything you tell that bishop you can one hundred percent expect is going to be in your. By the time you walk home, your parents are going to know about it. And then after that. Mormon boys and very often girls than spent two years on a mission sleeping in the same room with the random companion showering with the door open and just maybe get to close it when they're taking a shit. And prior to that in middle school and high school dating a highly scrutinized pantomime normal developmental sexuality if allowed at all. What one can read watch or listen to is more tightly controlled than the purchase of automatic weapons, which is, of course encouraged. If, you're stupid enough to keep a diary in a Mormon household be prepared for that to be be read on your. For Your Bishop to bring it up on your next mandatory interview Oh my God right. Totally. Mormon Home Teachers essentially a couple of appointed spies. Will show up at your home in announced throughout your entire life insisting whatever's going on stop and you indulge their presence and prying until they endeavored to leave an hour or so later, we we should really do a deeper dive into that phenomenon sometime I hated his itching. It reminds me nothing less than when in the movie when like the the the the secret police in the Soviet Union come by Your House yeah and they come in and just they're just looking at everything you got a pen in their kind of pushing things around with. Total, that's really funny. 'CAUSE I. I was always oblivious to that side of things and I it was always just you know nice guys would come over to your house and they'd smile and your parents would smile and love them and they everybody would shake hands and you'd pray and it was boring but like It always I never. Of anything nefarious from it but looking back on it, I can see that like, yeah, there was there was a lot. I mean mormonism was all about reporting on each other on the self it was all a sniff everything was snitch. Yeah and so I mean and it wasn't like they were trained. You were just program this way from youth and I don't mean to derail this just really quick like. You would look and see VCR Videotape collection was to see if there are any R. rated movies. Yeah. Just kind of program that way. And actually we talked I talked rather surprised blanket angle a while back it was actually started. After the whatever the the Mormon what was it called Brigham Young came out here and made everybody get rebaptized right and then home teaching was started. Then basically have people spy on you right Really Nice of them. So Great. So continuing on large Mormon families will just show up in the Maxi. Van Unannounced. Wanting an evening's conversation and dinner. We even had dug it. I had out of town cousins that would be on the road and appear wanting to stay for a week without a phone call. Right. So not a fucking boundary and sight. So now by early adulthood, you've been trained and. Groomed not to even think of erecting so much as a speed bump between illegitimate authority and your inner self nothing is off limits. To those who feel empowered to take from you not your bedroom and what goes on in it not your finances, not your politics, not your fantasies, your doubts. Your emotional and even physical labor and your precious time. All that is to be surrendered on demand when an authority figures says so. Well, that's fucking horrible. Well. These examples have a distinctly Mormon flavor that flavor being a Campbell's cream of mushroom soup based casserole. I reckon these sorts of coercion and intrusions are very familiar to our excellent Jellicoe, J. W. and exit adventist listeners, etc.. So, now we find ourselves setup and groomed for a lifetime of getting trampled exhausted lectured lectured and essentially stolen from by should people or maybe even not. So shitty like parents who came out of the same pattern of abuse and conditioning and don't realize how intrusive emotionally vandalizing there being right right. We didn't know that we have the ability to say, no well, the highest authority in your life tells you that's how it's supposed to be your from childhood. And your parents reinforce it and your grandparents reinforce it and your neighbors reinforce it so. But now that we're adults and we've left the religious institutions that groomed us for this life of compliance behind. and. For the most part of the houses of the parents who were actively complicit in this quote loving act of sabotage. And we're out in the real world. Let's talk about building that fucking wall. Shall We? Yeah because now we're the most authorities in all of our listeners lives so. They have to listen to us. So I need to know everything about what's going on in the bedroom. So. How do we start well speaking from experience it ain't easy. especially with friends and family still in whatever anti boundary controlling tradition you've left. For me and Doug, and again, ours is an extreme case after years of trying. The. Only boundaries are daily boundary. Our immediate family would even partially respect was total removal from our lives. But Doug contested by that was after a thousand attempts to establish some level of respect that that ultimately could not and would not muster. and that's what a boundary actually is. It's a frontier of respect that you have a right to demand and enforce. Sense religious parents and family never even understood the concept. Grabbing the wheel of Inter family relationships and jerking it away from the expressway to crazy town is extremely difficult. You will be met with resistance. So you know you're attempting to modify the ordained order of your pious butt dysfunctional family. To literally up and God's designed for how the mindless cogs are meant to function in the machine. Religion. Teaches people to be coercive passive, aggressive, manipulative, emotionally dishonest, and to see the world as A. To the death battle of good and evil, they will deploy all those offenses and defenses to maintain their control over you and their access to your time and labor. If you need to create a defensive boundary for yourself from my experience and everything I've read. I suggest you make it a well marked frontier rather than a concealed tripwire. Yes, and that means having hard conversation very openly. Having hard conversations with people whom despite their thoughtless aggressions you still want in your life. As with pretty much everything, we ever discussed in the post religious world that will very much require you to be the bigger person. And to do yet more emotional labor to keep your head about you through this process yup they will try to make you feel guilty exasperated to try to make you lose control, etc.. If you want them in your life and you want some freedom and emotional health you can't give into any of that. So firstly remember you're not trying to change them. You most likely can't. So don't even try. You're trying to change what you will tolerate from them in your presence. Essentially, you're changing your environment, right? Yeah. You're putting down your boundary, not boundary for them but a boundary that is yours and yours you're building room in which you can rest essentially right? And pursue whatever whatever you determine your interests and direction in life are without their interference in their judgment and they're unsolicited input. So that means with all the love of Jesus and the patience of job as kindly, and calmly as you can let them know how how you are willing to engage in how you're not. And what will occur if they've and what will occur if they violate your extremely reasonable requirements for further interaction, for example, right? If they try to re proselytize. You say you will leave Sunday dinner and go home. If they try to coerce your children against your wishes, which is really common thing in the postal movements world right holding. You can restrict access to the grandchildren if you have that ability if they talk shit about your significant other, let them know you know. You're taking a year off the holidays with them unless they apologized and promised not to do it again. In a way you're training a dog, right? I know that sounds really mean but no, a dog just wants what it wants whenever it wants it. Right Boundaries don't even exist if you're clear consistent and measured, and of course, swap them over the nose with loosely rolled newspaper when they're bad. And then you reward them with your time and presence when they comply well, even a Mormon parents can learn to be respectful over the course of a few dozen decades right? So. Remember I've seen it happen. It's it's possible. Remember despite what we were taught our parents don't us. They didn't the day you were born and they certainly don't. Now if they want the adult you in their lives and perhaps their grandchildren's lives as well. They should have to respect your reasonable reasonable demands and preserve to preserve your mental and emotional health and your time and energy. You may find over time that they can't, and then you can decide if you want them in your life at all and for a long discussion on that, you can go back to episode one Oh three where we talked about. Familial estrangement and how that gets a bad rap. But the other thing is boundaries can also change over time. Right if a person gains your trust by respecting you in the limits you place on an interaction, you can choose to loosen up and give them more room. And the opposite is also true if someone keep taking. When you've asked them not to, you can further restrict how much physical and emotional presence you allow them. It ain't easy especially in a relationship that has a long history, but I really think over the long term, you'll be much much happier. And this this applies to all relationships not just parent adult child wants right friends and siblings and roommates and podcasts, partners and neighbours and. And Work Friendships. Friendships etc.. You're right to take care of yourself to expend emotional and physical energy for whom you choose and when you choose. A right to declare certain topics or conversations off limits, and you have a right to demand that you your partner and your life choices will not be subject to shaming. Other people also have a right to tell you to go jump in a lake again you. Reevaluate having these people in your life. Right. Yeah because this isn't about like you get to say something and then they don't get to do anything about it. This is just you get to decide what you are willing to do. Yeah and they get decide what they're willing to do, and if those two things don't match up or if there's a if if there's some sort of a problem between them. Then your recourse is to not be a part of it anymore. Yeah. An inconsistency really matters in these in these circumstances I find very much. So yeah. So now there's a flipside to having grown up in a world with personal boundaries. For a lot of when we finally escape whatever orthodoxy trained us not only to not have our own boundaries but also not to like ourselves very much. Paraphrasing our friend Lauren O.`Neil from last week show. The possibility of being liked by people from outside, our experiences can be pretty fucking thrilling, right? it's like going from seeing black and white to seeing and full color all of a sudden. When it started happening for me Lord I was a kid in a candy store. If there was a boundary violation, I was guilty of for Oh probably a decade or so after I got out was over sharing. No mark the woman next to you on the bus does not want to hear your life story in real time. No Mark, the new friends you made at the party is not ready for the two hundred page mental police report about all the child abuse you suffered just yet right? and. It takes a long time to see and understand that people have comfort levels and boundaries. And to learn to see the cues, they use to tell us we've wandered into the red zone like crossed arms and looking around excessively lots of. Looking at their watch more than once right So it takes some time to learn how to know when someone is ready for that kind of friendship. And when someone is maybe more of a casual friend who maybe can't or isn't interested in emotional labor required to carry your cross for awhile. And you will have both kinds of friends, right? Sure. The key is listening to people in those moments and look for the cues of discomfort or or a sense of panic like they would very much like to hit the eject now. please. Another boundary I finally realized I needed I needed for myself after being taken advantage of by some emotional thieves. Was the incredible realization that I didn't have to like everybody that I came that came across my threshold. Doug laughing knows that period of my life where I had allowed to many people in. And then realize that quite a few of them were just taking advantage of my desperate need to be liked. And they were bleeding dry right on several fronts. So obviously, I've gotten over that now. I don't care if anybody likes me because nobody does but once I put up a bit more of a restriction on whom I would do what four. Where they're grumpy assholes absolutely did my life get a thousand times better my fucking God it did. Yeah. So there's a million ways to talk about boundaries because it's it's a complex issue but just to close out. Going to ask you guys what sort of experience you've had with bound learning to respect boundaries for yourself and in other people? Well I. It's it's. We certainly have. A unique perspective as you know as atheists because like you said we are. Very, few of us were young atheists are born atheist most of us became atheists side some point in our lives. So we all have experience with religious people and they're kind of. The boundaries that they have and they don't and they and they don't have. And you know we are oftentimes a minority at dinner parties or holidays. And so we're we're for those very reasons. We kind of have this very unique perspective on those boundaries. So what's appropriate to talk about what's not? All of them share those boundaries together and you're usually the outsider. That has to you know put down markers and have those difficult conversations and and have that really uncomfortable moment at dinner where you're like, I don't want this to be a subject anymore. Yeah. If it is I'M GONNA. Leave. So. I, think we've all Kinda gone through those moments. It's just we've talked about this quite a few times on the show that are boundaries have changed dramatically as we've come out of religion those of us who have whereas before you couldn't talk about certain books, certain movies, certain subjects, certain music, certain art forms, and now you can. but you know. You find yourself always kind of trying to modify your boundaries to accommodate the majority in this in this case. but I think it's very empowering when you finally say you know what the exactly to your point mark is. This is all I'm GONNA take. This is where I'm drying this eight taking no more right like I. Don't want you to proselytize to me anymore and I don't want you to talk to my kids about that stuff anymore and you know mean there's a true. it's hard and it can be very painful, but it's incredibly empowering. Yeah and especially in you know you've grown up in this family, you just think this is the way it's always gotta be. It doesn't right right and they're going to and they're going to complain and say. This isn't how we do it in and Blah Blah Blah, and they're going to feel horribly hurt and offended and I that, and that's and that's real for them. So it's not like you should just ignore that but you you can guide them through this process through the process of your boundaries being being sat down. And I and here's the thing it gets much easier as you go on the first few times can be just incredibly hard. Yup, and then as you go on their more used to you setting boundaries, your more brave about it because you've done it a few times and then it gets fun and it feels good and it feels strong and it feels great super empowering, and then you know especially with people really really want to keep in your life. It's it is an act of kindness. To, help them learn to be kind to to ask them to be kind to you. Yeah. Right and and. You're not being mean to them. You need to understand that you're not being mean to them by putting down your boundaries. You're actually being a kind because you're telling them where what what you are and aren't comfortable with explicitly so that they don't step on something they shouldn't, and and that look I could just walk away from you but I value you and I want you in my life, right? Right. and. This. Is True of Mormons and I think it's true most Christians they will be like velociraptor testing fences man so they will. Die Consistency and really putting your money where your mouth is say I will get up and walk out of here. I won't say this I really appreciate uncle mark the fact that you talked about also not violating other people's boundaries right? Because I can say that when I first left the religion and Took my first steps into learning that I was allowed to have boundaries other than what I had been taught I. Think I started and I've seen this phenomenon happened with people newly out of religion I stepped on a ton of people's boundaries. Just. I would just be like how atheist God is stupid. You're an idiot for believing it and Blah Blah Blah and like I I was I was being the Dick in that situation it's super common. It's a very common response to getting out of a high demand religion, right? Right yeah. So I mean I understand the impulse it's also nice to realize that like they have places to be too. And it's kind to be aware of other people's boundaries. Even if they haven't gone out of their way to make explicit, we look we can. We can play pictionary and we can play Jenga without needing to talk about geopolitics or religion or you know a swearing a lot. You know in front of people who don't like that it turns out that you can. You can enjoy each other's company. Yeah just. For the sake of each other and you doesn't. Have those conversations as long as you are right in your head with knowing, you're not trying to be provocative. Right. That you. You can't have the conversation if it gets too heated, you can say, okay, let's talk about something else but Dan's totally right. It's like you're not the only one with boundaries exactly, and you need to respect that people have a right to kind of a level of comfort in their own home and in their own life. That doesn't mean that they have the right to tell you how you have to be. So you know if. It's an it's a balancing act and that's the thing it's. At some point you know when I realized that I as a non no longer mormon person could say whatever fucking swear words I. wanted to say. I you know I felt there's this thing where you feel like. Well, I, I've learned that I have this, right? Yeah. How dare anybody tell you know ask me to Mon to monitor my language around them just because just because they're pussies about it or whatever doesn't mean I don't I have to watch what I say well, no, that's not how it works. Yeah. They have the right to to sort of put down their own boundaries and if their boundaries are that, it hurts them to hear certain words if you want to be around them. Respect, their boundaries and you know. And you know every now and then let us swear slip in front of my inlaws or whatever. But. They know that I'm trying and so they say thanks sorry and they say, okay, it's fine. Don't worry about it. That's kind of how it goes. You know what I mean. But but yeah, it's always. In every relationship that you have involves negotiation and everybody's got rights to have kind of you know under their own roof kind of how they like things to run. Some people want you to take your shoes off. Canadians. It's a sign of respect and if you want that respect in return, you gotta give it an. It's a negotiation and as hard as it might be in these in relationships that have some toxicity in it right where. You have. You know you have a lot of resentment may be a of anger towards a certain person It's it's really hard to see their boundaries as legitimate. but but. I think you'RE GONNA get. Hopefully you're GONNA get some respect back by paying them right well, and and let's all remember the fundamental truth that when you relatives, you know whoever we're talking about here have a prayer before the meal when they when they bring up certain subjects, they're trying to proselytize to you but no different than if you were to bring up. You Know Christopher Hitchens what he said about a certain subject you're trying to convince them to. So you know we just kind of the the the intentions are actually good or. Quote Unquote. Pure. But. We've got to leave that away so that we can have a relationship that isn't based on trying to convince back-and-forth. Yeah, and we need to decide where I mean. This is about deciding where to draw those lines and so you might be okay with them saying a prayer before the meal. That's fine. That's your thing you go ahead and do it but don't ever call on me to say the prayer. In somebody else's house and they decide they want to have a prayer. Pretty Shitty. In my opinion to make a big deal about it though. I'm not. I'm not advocating saying, oh I how dare you? I'm just saying that the fact of the matter is like or humming the you know La as while they're doing it or Don't be an Asshole, but we are all trying to proselytize each other at the end of the day because we all feel like we're right. So you know that can very much poison a relationship if it can't can't be managed correctly. Yeah and if it can't be managed correctly, maybe that's not a relationship should be in. That's and in the end the you're the final solution if you can't reach an agreement is to walkaway Yep. So there you go. All right. So A. Dipping a toe in the idea of boundaries, which is pretty new to a lot of our friends so. That does it. I'm walking away. Get there I. don't like it when we talk about boundaries so. Now. You're making me angry. All right. It's this is done putting down boundary. All right. Done by. Well friends. That's it for this week show. Hey, listen if you have a better book than the Bible and you want to tell us about it. We'd love to hear from your sandison email how do heretic dot com or fue suspect you might be the mowing devil call us and tell us about it at nine eight do which is nine, hundred, eighty, four, six, six. You can also me up there on twitter at how to heretic. and. Also a lovely thanks to our patriots as always and Thanks to Cody Layton who is not one of David's Shitty kids for editing show and thanks to you friends for tuning by friends share the wealth.

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FTL Digest 2021-02-09

"Here are the highlights from the latest episode of free talk live visit freetalklive dot com for the full episode so a cleric in the iranian regime told his followers that the covid nineteen vaccination turns people into homosexuals which is punishable by death and iran. I a- tola. i think. That's the top cleric in iran. If i recall correctly a boss to brazilian the outrageous claims tuesday on the social media platform telegram. According to the jerusalem post he said don't go near those who have had the covid vaccination they have become homosexuals to breezy in who lives in the religious capital of kwame and whose followers referred to him as ayatollah has a history of promoting bigotry and false information about western medicine last year to tell. The -tarian burned harrison's manual of medicine in a videotape ceremony claiming that islamic medicine had made such books relevant according to a radio free europe radio liberty broadcasts service like other clerics in the region also to brazilian relates. This is clearly translated. He relates all of these shortcomings to sexuality said a dissident. The clerics in iran are suffering from a lack of knowledge and humanity. Actually his goal is spreading nonsense to try to scare people out of getting vaccinated while the leader of the regime and other officials got the pfizer vaccination and they don't provide it to the people with the excuse that they don't trust the west so the regime leaders got the vaccine. But they're also saying it makes you gay. It's not that different from donald trump and some of the extravagant claims that he's made but americans won't see that what does he would extravagant claims. Just curious off the of my head right okay. But he has certainly made extravagant claims that scare people to death though where he hasn't said no absolutely not. I mean that's not an extravagant claim. That's a grotesque abomination of state. Extravagant claim would be something like. Oh yeah we didn't land on the moon or whatever you know just something. Nonsensical that trump believes mean. He was reach winning some cunanan people at some point so he certainly made some ridiculous allegation. And i gotta say. I miss trump's tweets. I don't think thing okay. He was entertaining. Yeah and joe biden so far has not been entertainingly. I don't care about what they're doing in dc. But i am curious. Like what would trump be saying right now if he still had access to social media about apparently they're like putting him on trial now in the senate so that whole part of the impeachment procedure has begun so unlike. We don't get to hear what he has to say. His lawyer came out and said that he's not getting due process. So we know be saying that. I think that there was a story a long time ago. I mean i. I recall several years ago. Hearing that tesla at least some dealers were accepting it really. So even if the mother company wasn't accepting at the time. I think there was some of the dealers that were well. Hopefully we'll see more and you know chevrolet and all of these other companies beginning to accept crypto-currency. Hey maybe even mcdonalds one day will accept bitcoin. You know i mean you pay pal just came on board late last year. Tesla coming on board tesla's one of the top five corporations in the united states as far as their market cap is so that's bigger than walmart. Tesla's says they're gonna take crypto. That is actually. I mean it's it's not big in the same way in that wal got more locations and more people work for it and that sort of thing but as far as a major company accepting bitcoin. That's probably the largest announcement we've seen so far excellent. I hope it only continues because it's only going to drive the value of bitcoin up because it's becoming more and more useful it is even though it's not that useful in general because we're to buy a fifty thousand dollar car a fifty dollar transaction fee. Isn't that big deal. Yeah no doubt about that. But it's it's still disappointing to see how just expensive these transaction fees are. They were twenty dollars yesterday on bitcoin for next for the what they call the next block which for listeners. That don't know that's to get your bitcoin transaction processed and confirmed within the next ten minutes or so. That's what it costs. Twenty is not steve. Were they going up in pro popularity. Does that mean that. The fees might go lower get higher. They're going to likely get higher. I was mentioning earlier in bundy. Is the son of cliven bundy. Or one of the sons of cliven bundy. That was in the news. Most of the decade ago for having a standoff with the federal government over the bureau of land management then a few years later ammon bundy and some of his crew went and took over the mal. Heure federal wildlife refuge of these events were years at oregon. yes we're years. Apart of believers twenty sixteen when they did them all your wildlife refuge takeover that actually resulted in one man being shot to death by the police in that particular situation and it was fairly dramatic and pretty interesting outrageous. What went on then so. We don't follow the bundy family very closely. But from what. I've heard of them. They sound at least occasionally like fairly principled. Libertarians they support Black lives matter and other cool teens. Code expect principled people to support good to know. I'm glad to hear that Now i don't follow them closely either but i. I am aware that they've been active in this sort of anti masking pro freedom facial freedom. Whatever you wanna call it movement and now the los angeles times is reporting out of idaho which may be where. He's based these days two dozen demonstrators pressed against the emergency room doors screaming to be let in show us a law. They chanted let grandma out one shouted. They had descended on legacy salmon. Creek medical center in vancouver washington the evening of the twenty ninth to protest the quarantine of gail meyer. Seventy four year old patient. They drag the groups like this through the mud as much as they possibly can because they don't wanna actually talk to them and ask them questions they don't want to actually give this guy the opportunity to express himself because the l. a. times like most media outlets is one hundred percent favor of the state sure and whatever the state decree religious actors whatever the state religion decrees which is you know wear a mask respect authorities and that's not what the bundy's are known for or any of these militia groups the existence of these militia groups has always been stated to be to defend ourselves from aggression by the government. I don't think anyone has ever suggested there for anything else. And i don't know if people's rights is particularly a militia group. Exactly i sounds like it's a protest organization. That's way it sounds. I don't know if you've pulled up their website idea but you have to join over in order to access just about anything. I'm going to pull it up on my phone and take a look at. They do have a telegram. So there's that we have the potential for multiple malheur in multiple states in that any moment they could bring hardened far right. Activists often heavily armed into any one event this according to devin burghart the executive director for the institute for research and education on human rights. So they really don't like the idea that these people are armed number one. That really seems to scare these folks. I imagine it would scare the time you spend. It doesn't give me any pause whatsoever. I feel safer when people around me are heavily armed indeed especially if they know what they're doing i did look into the people rights organization and sadly it doesn't seem that they use an app. It looks like they just use a web interface. Oh so it's all done on as reporting where to gather and what's happening. It's cool that there are at now five people in southwestern new hampshire who have signed up really and they're very privacy friendly you have to have signal in order to receive your code to create your account neat and they have a telegram which is always good and i. It's got a messaging system than i have looked into the is supposedly encrypted as well just two other user so i have to say so far. I'm impressed and it sounds like if they want an app they should contact nobody and find a way of implementing cell phone one into this. I know that nobody are co host. Had had the intention of reaching out to that group. So i don't know what status he has reached out to them. I think he wants the app to be like in a usable state. 'cause we inherited for listeners. That don't know cell phone. One is after it was created. Probably like twenty fifteen by actually a listener. Freetalklive virgil the duva and he did an amazing job at making this great little simple easy to use emergency alerts app where you can have your friends. Get the app and then You can all sort of create what they call cells. These aren't terrorist cells there. Peace peace sells going on here. He said he never supported. President trump and he didn't vote in the last two presidential elections in two thousand sixteen. He was in prison awaiting trial in this past november. He didn't see a point. So i mean obviously. He's not your typical. If he's a conservative he ain't. Your typical is definitely closer to libertarian. Based on everything i've seen. He has conservative in contending the twenty or the kobe nineteen death. Toll is massively exaggerated. he said. That trump should've worked harder to keep churches and businesses open nonetheless. He encouraged his followers to go to washington for the now infamous january sixth rally to distribute leaflets and display people's rights banners to recruit more members. He did say that. He condemned the siege on the capital. Was that because it was pointless and it didn't achieve anything or is was some some angry republicans role playing as protesters. Apparently he was also arrested. According to a photograph here in this article in the idaho state house in boise on august twenty six th of last year was arrested and wheeled out in an office chair or what appears to be a wheelchair here so maybe doing a little civil disobedience. It looked like not sure what that was about. Bundy is carrying out a family tradition. He is the fourth of fourteen children in a mormon family. Grew up on a nevada ranch. Seventy four year old father cliven became a hero to extreme libertarians. In the west wing. Extreme libertarian that just sounds cool when they say it like that. Bundy was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of the refuge and eventually tried on weapons and conspiracy charges a militant who fled. The stop was shot and killed the name. Forget what it was offhand. But they're just referring to him as a militant it by the man who fled. The stop was not a danger to anyone. He did not shoot at anyone but the cops murdered him right there for running away. That's correct in a startling verdict. In october of two thousand sixteen bundy and other defendants were acquitted by jurors who found the federal prosecutors had failed to make their case. Wow yeah it was an amazing Verdict a series of verdicts more than one documentary about this because it sounds like something. I'd wanna want a good question. I don't know the families. Aura of invincibility only grew when a judge declared a mistrial criminal conspiracy case against bundy his brother ryan who we interviewed and their father. For the two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saying government lawyers had suppressed evidence the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees bundy kept a low profile back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children but the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love you can't keep a good activist down. You know once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling it. No that's right. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home lives. They think that we should respect the idea that they should have privacy and their family lives in their personal homes and so on that they're off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if they're laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. i'm not the governor. Now i'm just chilling with my family. Now okay then you're laws. Don't apply right now. Yeah as soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop ruining people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them. Leave him alone in their home. Stand near people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay correct. Yeah man in a robe writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot. Dogs shoot innocent peaceful people into cribs. They shoot cats. I just look that up since you're here or are they basically cats to what possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat could that have been. I'm not any more. The more this discussion goes on so people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of being able to dispatch ten protesters to a seen in ten minutes. One hundred in one hundred minutes two thousand one thousand minutes. Hey daily digest listeners. This is rally blake. I enjoy free. Talk live but i know you do too but finding time to listen to an entire episode isn't always easy so i produced the daily digest. I appreciate those of you who have supported me on patriotic and sent bitcoin to me to thank me for producing these digests for those who wish to support me on patriotic visit patriot dot com slash c. Art blake eight sex if he wished to send bitcoin visit patriot. Dot com slash. Cr blake eight six for those details. That's patriot dot com slash. Cr blake eight six. Thank you i Heard earlier today. That That particularly i mean the most insane people in my opinion. And i've been called about this for over your on. How insane the less has been becoming. They're really angry that beat tampa bay buccaneers Beat the kansas city chiefs over the weekend and not because not because they like the not because they are the better team not because they Support the oxyde in any in any measurable amount more than than the kansas city chiefs. But only because tom. who is the quarterback. I guess who who i guess. Some point got traded to the buccaneers Because he's white and and the quarterback for the chiefs is black and they're mad that the white quarterback beat the black quarterback. They're really offended about. Where are you seeing this. I haven't seen this well well. There's there's a twitter storm. That's been kicking up Among some of the blue checkmark book politics morons out there Including commentators like lisa hendricks and michael smith michael. Highly the end of the nfl. Any of these people are. I wouldn't say that this reflects on all leftists just seems like you saw some crazy people talking on twitter. Presumably there's black and white people on both teams. You read off some names from people that i've never heard of who sounds like they're saying some pretty stupid things. If you want to find morons on twitter just search for double masking plenty there. I think it's more interesting. Nobody's wearing masks in tampa all the sudden. I have a friend from and she lived in italy of twenty twenty but she just moved to florida and she put posted a video of herself at at like a club or a bar in tampa like the night of the super bowl in. She was panning around the room. It was just a bunch of young people all really close reach other dancing and talking and drinking and none of them like there was like one mask and the entire video i i. I was stunned when i saw the ending of the super bowl. Because it watch it at work and the number of people not wearing masks in their boots and they mingled and they you know celebrated with people after the game. It was encouraging to see so few people wearing masks. I remember remarking at that moment. I bet this is already going viral on twitter from people complaining about the fact that they're not wearing masks. That's what i expect people to be upset about. Not the fact that tom brady is white and the other guy was black. That is of no consequence whatsoever. Except to people who obsessive race and people who obsess over people who obsess over race. Yeah i'm just rolling through here looking at people talking about Double masking and how proud they are about it. Definitely virtue signaling. Our money explains this rather well as you found. Yeah then was the one who suggested searching for double masking in the first place and he points out on his twitter which is at vr mani. He says that double masking is a thing. Helps you understand that you are dealing with a religious phenomenon. When masks become mandated as they are in a lot of the united states right now and elsewhere in the world wearing a mask is no longer a signal of church of woke membership therefore the second mask must be added to signal willing participation. And indeed when you see the people with the double masks what you'll see in a lot of cases is that they will purposely wear contrasting masks so they'll have like a white mask and then over overtop or over top of a black mask or vice versa or something like that that way. You know that they're wearing masks. does it. Make it clear right because if they were wearing to the exact same type of mask. You'd have to look carefully. You'd have to really look at them to see if they were wearing masks but many might not know how much they care right. So it's important for them to signal that and Yeah so this person on twitter. Says i can't believe some of y'all aren't triple masking. Yes and this is the these are people being totally serious. I've always been double masking sometimes. Even triple masking. i prefer no masking about. They weren't about they've just been doing more mask and they're like always been triple asking last month at the hospital protests in vancouver washington kelly stuart the people's rights coordinator for the area narrated a livestream video bundy's youtube account that ultimately attracted more than seventy thousand views. The video shows a protester trying to pry open the locked. Double doors and a deputy sprang chemical irritant in his face. The protesters cheered when the hospital released. Meyer whose tearful daughter wheeled her out and helped her into a van freedom. A man yelled stewart. A longtime bundy compatriot berated law enforcement for siding with the hospital instead of protesters. She said that right wing activists who joined back the blue rallies last summer waved american flags with blue lines had been duped quote. We're starting to learn your actually the standing army. Our founders warned us against there just dangerous targets. She said we're having a blue line flag burning party tonight better late than never for sure. I love the say. Credit credit. To richard reid the author here. That's a great way to end. That story That stand that's the ending that they're going to burn the blue line flags that's awesome idea. Either but i don't want to encourage the blue line. Flag people buying them in order to burn them similarly. They already had them. There was a fella named watch was canadian. Dug in deep in history and All this huxley and those fellas and the brainwashing. The the media. The sports is intended to be a distraction talking about nineteen eighty-four. That would be brave. You know similar allen. Watch for canadian. And he used to have a website and then he went over to england and read the history books. The books not on the computer read the books Alan watts kim. Delic guy i mean. Isn't alan watts like a psychedelic Sort of in the background there mike. It's the same. It's the same name but a different person. Different guy okay. Well there's no doubt that the sports is definitely the part of the bread and circuses right to keep people distracted and keep the big. I don't know about that being the sole purpose on that means it's good to have some things that distract you from your daily life now and then. I talked to jeremy from library over this weekend. They had the porcupine day festivities in new hampshire on saturday. Actually bonnie and i both went to. I took the night off from the show to go to this. This was the five year celebration at the free state. Project held to sort of call a closed their five-year move window because that started in february of two thousand sixteen. So it is now. That doesn't mean the free state project is is over to continue recruiting people to to migrate here. As as i think that they should do. I used to think that they should shut down. But they convinced They pretty persuasive that they've been doing really well in the last couple of years. Anyway jeremy Kaufman who's the founder of library. Which is a decentralized blockchain based video hosting service which is an awesome thing by the way l. d. r. y. dot com. He was there. And i did speak with him. They are in the testing process of doing streaming library. And so we're sort of on the shortlist of shows that they they may be coming to win. Get kicked off right. I would hope that they wouldn't kick us off because they came to us a long time ago about librarian. Free talk live on librarian free keen on library so it seems like a no brainer that we should also be streaming to To their new website. Which is called odyssey o. D. y. s. e. It's tough out there for a lot of radio station owners. Although it's probably even tougher for the big mega corporations because they already had huge debt loads that their companies were struggling to pay off prior to it they already companies like iheartmedia which used to be known as clear channel and cumulus media these two of the largest companies in america both of them have gone through bankruptcy proceedings in the last several years last few years as the government gives them money to stay alive. That's a good question honestly. I haven't heard about that happening. It wouldn't surprise me if they have for whatever reason. I haven't seen the news on that. The mentions that at some point it says they filed for bankruptcy protection or something. I don't know exactly what that means but it probably has a help. Talk media that for the last year. One of the only things that we've really had to talk about has been the pandemic otherwise news has been extraordinarily slow throughout the last year. I hate it and people are probably sick of talking about it. Sick of hearing about it. i know it. Daily commutes have been disrupted by. Stay at home orders and then you work from home. Culture wiping out part of radios lucrative quote drivetime audiences unclear whether those listeners will return after the pandemic subsides and traffic jams return. Yes that is true. I saw the numbers about That npr was publishing that their radio listenership dropped by twenty five percent. Facebook they. They are really in a decline these days man. I've looked at the calculator during thing but since the first ban in october not the ipad but the abandoned october shortly after the news about my campaign went viral. I have been unbanned exactly thirteen days. Are you being right now. Yes what's the latest one for This time i don't know man. I mentioned something about bitcoin. Okay and i put hashtag bitcoin and then to be safe. You would think eli. Musk can do it then. Suddenly i got banned for a within seconds got banned for a posted i had made on december the fourth more than a month before So i don't know about. I don't recall okay but that's suspicious. The last time. I was banned. It was because of something related to bitcoin and immediately afterward. I got hit with another thirty day ban. So it's it's hard to even be upset. Hey you can just do other things with your time. I never used facebook much anyway. Because every time i post i ended up getting bad no matter what it is that i posted stupid. I don't know why i keep doing it. Except it's such a miniscule thing to me that hey if it works might as well say something there and then have just like being abused i. i don't know not buy into so the financial pressures on humulus. Iheart make them unlikely to invest in the one thing that might save political talk radio local personalities. I tend to agree. I think the best thing they could do to save talk radio would be to actually stop censoring people to actually created a platform that is known for being friendly to free speech and letting people speak their actual opinions. We do that here we do. But we're one of the only ones who do have and we're not run by cumulus and iheartradio recently. Hold on i wanna give credit where credit's due. We are heard on cumulus in iheartmedia stations. So i mean they're not the majority of the stations that were heard on but we are heard on several of them. Sure so that's good. We're not owned by them. In the sense that and because cumulus was in the news recently for telling its talk show hosts that they were not allowed to say. Stop the steel on the air right. And so that was like the first time in my history of working in radio where i've ever heard a corporation coming down and telling its talk show host that they cannot cover a certain subject. That's pretty scary stuff. So it's been noted that sports talk. Radio has fared relatively well with hometown personalities. Yacking about local teams but hiring. Local hosts is an expensive proposition. You just heard highlights from the latest episode of free talk live you can download full episodes. Subscribe to our podcast. Listen live and war. All for free at freetalklive dot com.

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Outside Voices w/ Sarah Shimazaki

Go West, Young Podcast

32:33 min | 1 year ago

Outside Voices w/ Sarah Shimazaki

"As we dig out from Thanksgiving week snowstorm in the rocky mountains. This is go west young. PODCAST your show about America's parks and public lands. I'm Aaron Weiss at the Center for Western priorities keeping warm this week in the shadow auto of red rocks. We're changing this week with the conversation with another podcast. That's all about the outdoors. We'll talk to host Sarah Shimazaki about Herschel outside voices. This is and why it's so important to elevate everyone stories about their connection to nature. But first we've got a quick news update. The Interior Department is ignoring a judge's order that restored the twenty fifteen plan to protect the sage grouse from the impacts of oil and gas leasing. We talked about that ruling last month. Here with NATO culver from the Audubon society even those old protections are now supposed to be in place more than one hundred thousand acres of Sage grouse habitat are still available billable for leasing right now in Wyoming Utah and Colorado and the Bureau of Land Management is planning to auction off more leases in Wyoming grouse habitat next month as NATO put it this week in an interview with C. Q.. Roll call concerning doesn't even begin to convey where we are damn the torpedoes and the sage grouse speaking of the Bureau of Land Management Acting Head William Perry pennsly- wrote an OP. Ed In the Las Vegas Review Journal saying that Bill Law Enforcement Agents would show oh quote deference to local sheriff's now. We haven't talked about extremism much on this podcast but back before this podcast existed. The Center for Western priorities did a lot of work laying out the connections between a handful of politicians in the west and extremists like cliven Ammon Bundy one of the core tenets. It's of these extremists. Is this bizarre notion that local sheriff's are the ultimate law enforcement authority and that federal agents are subservient to them the extremists call these folks constitutional sheriff's which is funny because the word. Sheriff isn't even mentioned once in the constitution. William Perry penalty is of course source of this same overall world. He has previously called for the disposal of National Public. Land's we've talked about that a lot here but for penalty to give such a full full throated endorsement to militia groups to sovereign citizen conspiracies. In the like that's taking things to new level. The public land's extremists had had been pretty quiet over the last couple years. After the takeover of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge and the trials that resulted in Ammon Bundy's acquittal but a number of other convictions. Fictions it is now clear that these folks are back. And they are feeling emboldened because people like William Perry pennsly- are giving them the green light from the highest levels of government. One of the mail your militants can Mendon Bach announced this week that he is running for Congress in Oregon to represent the district that includes the wildlife refuge. He tried to take over M.. Bundy this month was making rumblings about another standoff. This time in Idaho but he backed down. I don't know where all of this it goes. Next it's something that we're going to be keeping a very close eye on in twenty twenty but having William Perry Pedley give credence to their bizarre constitutional interpretations is at the very least a troubling sign of things to come our guest. This week is the host and producer of the outside voices. PODCAST A new show. That's all about celebrating and sharing the stories of people who don't always see themselves reflected in the usual narratives about the great outdoors. Where's Sarah Shimazaki is a public land's advocate and storyteller based in Oakland California? Sarah Welcome to the podcast ankle. Yeah thanks semester. Having Me Erin so I'm glad we finally got you here. We've been going back and forth here for a couple of months trying to get schedules lined up. But I'm glad let it worked. Take me back now several months. Then what was the impetus for the podcast rid of this idea. Come from yeah definitely so I think thank you know. There's that saying that. If you're not seeing something out in the world then you should create yourself so you know really. The I grew up hiking. I grew up gardening. I grew up spending my time outside but I never really considered myself outdoorsy because in You know in the media and gear catalogs just in sort of like the mainstream depiction of WHO's an outdoorsy person a WHO's you know an environmentalist. I didn't really see myself reflected in those images I mostly saw I really honestly mostly saw white folks. I saw a lot of male identified. Folks I saw I thought that to be an outdoorsy person. I I had to scale a mountain. Where really expensive gear I had to wear flannel? And all these things. And so for the longest time I I didn't consider myself an outdoorsy person. I didn't really think that that's somewhere I belong and so then over over really the last few years. I've you've met other folks who look like me other people of Color People really just Reclaiming their space outdoors and saying like. Hey we we belong here and also our stories aren't new like we've we're all as human beings connected to nature and our stories deserve to be told and so so. I was starting to see a lot of that happening on instagram. A lot of platforms started. Cropping up you know. Organization centered around Latino Voices in the outdoors black experiences in the outdoors and so we started thinking about. How well you know there? There isn't really like a dedicated podcast for this It just yet. And there's some podcast episodes here and there sprinkled in other podcasts. Where they talk about diversity in the in the outdoors but there really wasn't just like a dedicated platform for people who consider themselves underrepresented in the outdoors to share their stories simply because they deserve to be told and and so we thought? Okay like what can we do to make this happen. So that's where you came from year four episodes in right now give us a overview of off the kinds of stories that you've you've told so far and and what you're looking for what you think makes for a good episode of outside voices Yeah so we've launched four episodes as far as you said. We're kind of on a monthly schedule right now and really I think the the thesis I guess you could say for the podcast that I've Sort of landed on and have been checking for for future. Stories is just really Our relationships to nature that have just always been there and that trace back to our earliest ancestors so it's actually not necessarily surly even though there are really amazing Athletes of color out there scaling mountains and really breaking records and doing amazing things in in a different recreational sports. It's not necessarily centred around stories like I'm although that can be included as well it sort of just going back to our first episode assode. We talked about if featured around a Latina surfer and she talks a lot about how her mom on her Latinas. Gina side of the family really influenced her connection to nature because she ground dead to my lesson or grounded the thirty s for for Making tacos in their house and just all these ways that her mom brought the outdoors into the kitchen and also the ways is that her grandmother was really very sustainable in the ways that she saved water. And you know one California is an drought Will listen to the later. But I'm just the ways that just to be economical and to be resourceful. She was just inherently very much an environmentalist mental est though she might not think of herself as one We also actually did a whole episode on Japanese incarceration during World War Two and that took us to manner which is one of the at low the concentration camps that Japanese were sent to during World War Two you and really. I wanted the focus there to be on the gardens dot they planted at manner and other concentration camps too so really he just The ways in which they connected to nature and it was really a way of reasserting. Their culture We also have an an episode. I really love this conference called. PGM Wine it's a conference for people of Color or people of the global majority which is a term that we like to to us. That's more empowering for folks who don't like using the word minority to describe ourselves because the reality is that people of the global majority we do make up the a majority of people if you look at just the globe to the congest Yeah so so when we were at. PG One this past last year. I recorded some just really amazing clips and music and interviews. That was really all about healing. Our relationship to the earth and to ourselves with each other and our latest episode featured a climber outdoor leader named Brittany Levitt and. She talks a lot about how she finds her own black joy and nature. She talks about her experience. Being transracial ends racial adoptee which means someone who was adopted by parents that are a different race than she was and she also talks about just navigating navigating through grief and using being able to heal and nature really so just the healing power of being in nature being outside so that literally done so far have let. Let's start there. Well let's start with with Brittany's episode because I think this this is interesting when when she talks about something we have heard many times black. People don't swim. This notion that that black communities are not around around water and there are obviously historic racial prejudice reasons for for that notion to exist assist. But I think it's really interesting that that something that she chose to talk about. So let's stop for a minute end and listen to Brittany here at black people. Nature is within a But water we have a deep connection with water but society has put in from historical record has put this notion of fear of water to but water is something that we have you to heal and to connect Enzo says holds the idea idea that black people don't swim they back from generations from storytelling from family experiences to just history but we've always been connected to the water We've always been connected to the trees. Now I talk about the history of I think the key thing is to for people to realize that history the nature go hand in hand and being able to be part of a group that's our mission is to just celebrate and inspire what we do in the outdoors. We have always been connected to the stars to leave to earn the dirt but you know walks of life. We are hikers bikers. Everyone from Harriet. Ah Man to Benjamin Baker to Matthew Hansen. It's not something that is quote unquote a white person thing because more unlikely we probably did at birth but recognize or so Sarah is that is that what when we hear people talk about reclaiming claiming history. Britain's getting up there Yeah definitely because I think the narrative when people do start to Say things like yeah you know we do need to diversify the outdoors and we need to diversify the conservation movement. There's sort of this This phrase that gets attached to that which is like it's it's because they're not they don't care about public lands. It's because they're not outside. You know black. People don't camp or people of Color don't like hiking I I think that there's there's You know an and like you said and as Britney saying there are there are very real Reasons historical reasons reasons why that is so that those folks have been excluded and erased from those conversations and those kinds of activities. Just take swimming for example you know just just the fact that during Jim Crow Swimming a black people weren't allowed to go into swimming pools right and so they never learned to swim And but then if you go way way back and You know to our ancestors and really. Actually this shows up in Our first I episode because Libya the surfer she talks about the history of Surfer of surfing. Sorry she talks about the history of of surfing and she sort of goes into different places around. The world were indigenous communities were connected to water and she talks about how They sort of had like the beginnings of surfing In West Africa actually and that that is a story that when she shares it with her students which is Our students are mostly youth youth of color but especially her black students. She sees them light up and and she's able to like communicate to them. Ya'll your ancestors were swimming. They were surfing. They had really deep knowledge about the tides and just the the way that they were in tune with the ocean and that is a really powerful thing that she's able to The story that she's able to share with their students to say like we've been outside. You know this is. This is not just about you Reclaiming your relationship to nature but reclaiming that story and that history will. Let's listen to something else from from that clip with with Olivia as well and I love this story because it's so makes the point that conservation as something that white communities love to point to have look how l.. Well we're doing. Look what we're doing here and it's something very conscious and virtue signaling if you'd like to to use that that word hand and Libya's point here is that in so many communities of color conservation is just part of the ethos and the ethic and she. She tells this this wonderful story about about her grandma and so take a listen. I remember there is an instance where there was a drought out in California and my grandma was watching the news and they're saying there's a drought and everyone needs to do better lowering the amount of water that they use in their house and my grandma started laughing and I said why are you laughing. She goes because I've been conserving water in my house. For fifty the years she was telling me that with her laundry she takes the hose out and she puts the gray water into a bucket and she takes that water from the laundry. She makes her own soap. She makes her own biodegradable soap. Because it's more economically feasible than buying Kamanga detergent at the store and she uses the same container to make the soap. She makes sure that the sofas safe for all her plants to grow so so she washes her closing laundry puts the gray water into a bucket takes. The bucket puts it out into her garden and uses the same water that she washes her clothes without in the garden. She said she's been doing that since she moved to California. I said grandma. Then you're amazing like this is amazing that you've been doing this for this long. She goes via its time. Everyone starts listening to me and catches up all right. So we're all GONNA listen to Olivia's grandmother and I think it probably all of our grandmothers because whether you grew up in a water doubt situation or your grandmother grew up cooking cooking meals on the cheap deep in the depression. There are so many things that I think we may have lost track of over the years that we can learn from and this notion Shen of rediscovering or discovering conservation is is released since oral lesson that we've forgotten about history Definitely not yeah and I think that you know. It's been very hyper capitalized. or it's just. The Green Movement is actually elite. Just now perhaps about like buying buying things you know so we're not consuming. Things is conservation to right right. Yeah exactly but I think there's this whole like Kind of sustainable movement. You know you buy this toothbrush instead of this wine. And you don't make sure that you buy these reusable bags and reasonable tupperware's and what not and And I think that then exactly like I think about my grandma I think about my mom and just growing up and opening the fridge and not knowing like which what holds what because because she reused so many a peanut butter jar carrying like orange juice or or something that she made Fresh squeezed orange juice into this reused peanut butter jar and You know you open like a thing. A tub of butter but it's actually not butter right and she used it for something else and so there are just all these ways that That my mom and my grandma and exactly as you're saying other people's Grandma's has just been doing that like they've I've been sustainable because it's a matter of just like being resourceful and also being economical and using what you already have so. I think that it's just rather than saying like to be sustainable. You have to buy these things and you have to do it this way. It's like Whoa. How are they doing it before right like way way back? 'cause there's knowledge edge that we've forgotten all right sticking with the grandmothers theme. I WANNA jump to to episode three. which is about gardening inside aside American concentration camps and detention centers during World War Two? And you started that episode on a on a personal note talking about your own heritage rated as an American of Japanese descent although your your extended family moved to the US after after World War Two by a couple of decades gates but you still feel a connection with with the stories in that episode. Yeah yeah definitely I think it's just that reminder that this this happened not long not that long ago and that if I did live here in America during that time this very well could have been my story story. It's also there's so many parallels with what's happening today down at the border and so it's just it's a connection. I have as a person with Japanese his ancestry. But it's also a story that I think we all should be remembering and listening to so that it doesn't happen again all right. Let's take a listen. Who is this that we're going to be hearing from In this clip this is sue. Yes this is actually sue. Can you tell me so. She is actually a pretty deep prominent figure and we talk about her a little bit more in the episode but she's talking about the gardens at manner she was incarcerated they are Manzana are are but then several decades later. She helped to found the man's on our committee which is a group of activists who wanted to make sure to preserve this history and pass on what happened to to everyone else in the US because the governments were sort of shut shushing what had happened during World War Two to the Japanese art. Let's take listen. And their people also built gardens in front of their unit. Are they planted Flower our they had vegetable gardens and it was a real attempt to beautify their surrounding and I think it really helped the morale whoa people something as seemingly simple as a garden have the ability to uplift spirits and forge some semblance of home amidst prison like conditions. These tangible symbols bowls of hope and resilience helped the Japanese survive incarceration but perhaps more than anything beyond providing aesthetics in a bleak landscape away to pass the time and shade paid in a hot desert. The essence of the Japanese gardens at Mandar was that of cultural identity. The gardens were away. Ah for imprisoned Japanese many of whom were former landscapers and farmers to reclaim their power space and freedom for many. It was an act of resistance and defiance literally taking up space and rejecting their situation as it was a way to heal honor their traditions and modestly but boldly assert their cultural identity in spite of persecution and forced Americanization. It was their way of saying we did this. And this is who we are so I love that clip. Because it's so sets up the last bit we have to talk about which is The PGM one episode and Indigenous People obviously the original American conservationists whose whose identities and stories have been so consistently erased or downplayed or ignored in that. That's something obviously. We've talked a whole lot about on this podcast. Particularly as it pertains to say coal mining and the the nuclear legacy on the Navajo nation. What did you learn when you went to? PGM One what did you take out of out of that. That experience experience. Yeah I took a lot out of it really and I think that just in relation nations to this clip. I think that when we think about any time we're talking about land conservation. We're talking about public land's and any time that we're really just talking about our relationship to the earth we need to be including and not just including but centering turing and amplifying and making sure that indigenous voices are just really the ones that are at the center. Uh of the conversation. It's it's not just about like. Oh Yeah we'll bring them in the room share. It's no like these are folks who have they have the connection to the land. That is still there that has not been severed to this land. Despite centuries of genocide and colonization like they're still here today and there's so much wisdom that we should learn from an listen from and in order to get in order to cultivate a better relationship shipped the land. which is something? All of us need to do to help to Make sure that we can sustain our Our life on this land. I I think that it's all about censoring indigenous voices in that journey. It's they don't exist separate from each other. Did the my hearing. The inclusion is not enough in and of itself that there has to be more than just that Yes definitely 'cause inclusion and. I'm sure you know this search but I think a lot of folks talk about inclusion. But they're not actually talking about sharing power and sharing whose voices are centered. It's just kind like yeah. Let's bring them in the room. Let's put them at the table but do they actually have power to make decisions that for the last couple of centuries have been made by the white folks or it's at this This clip up. Who are we going to hear from? Yes so this is a A genie APPA she is she. Works Works for Utah's enabling and so the folks who have been very prominent on the Movement to protect bears ears all right. Let's take a listen. To his journey. For us is indigenous people we are intrinsically tied to the land so our cultures and our people our languages are songs and ceremonies have evolved with the different landscapes that were related to and because of that as we enter into the work of environmental justice or land protection or advocating for quote unquote public lands. It inherently carries with that value of protecting and advocating for the culture of your people and and For the people from those lands as well not just the lands themselves they are not in isolation from us as humans and and we are not in isolation from our mother so I love that especially as the host of a public land's podcast of a reminder her she puts quote Unquote Public Lands In there's there's reminded that even the notion of public lands is a political construct that we're operating from here in this country As a result of colonization and our current Political System but at the end of the a day You know indigenous lands predate public lands and this whole notion of public is is only one that we have created over the last several hundred years. What what do you think the listeners of this podcast? Who Obviously we're a pretty policy focused? podcast what do they need to take away from. Stories like Avantis I think that any time there is is a decision to be made any time. There's like a focus group or you need people to speak on an issue. I going back to what we were talking about. That inclusion is not enough. It's it can't be that it's just you know the policy makers who perhaps are non-indigenous primarily are in a room making big decisions and brainstorming. How a campaign is going to go? How they're going to move forward on a policy decision region and then they say oh and we should make sure right that we include indigenous voices and sort of check a box to make sure that that Sort of that. That happens that that strengthens their argument because they have the support of the indigenous communities it should rather be that they're listening to Indigenous indigenous leaders of those communities who have been there and are speaking out About what's happening in their on their lands in their community and and really just like taking their lead And just seeing like if there is like first step if there is a role for these For folks to to play and taking taking the direction from indigenous folks to To decide for themselves what's best for for What's happening on their lands? It's about who who the leaders truly are. I think yeah I. I think that's something. We all need to need to focus on Sarah. What other stories are you looking to tell down the road? Now that you your four episodes in Kinda gotTa groove going what are you what are looking to tell. Who are you looking to hear from? Yeah so we. We do have a couple episodes currently in production I really adjust. It's really about just making sure that were capturing a lot of different voices. There's just so much there's so many things to you unpack just within this thesis of like just our relationship to nature that can go so many ways We're going to have an episode soon on someone who's who's very vocal about disability and the outdoors and we're also gonNA talk about We're also GONNA talk more about this Sousse indigenous connection and how it relates to quote unquote. Yeah Public Lands Because I think that we had Johnny speak in this episode and it was really. He is really a wonderful interview. I had with her. But I really want to dedicate a full episode to Indigenous voices. So that's something that I'm really looking forward to and and Yeah I think also at the same time in the New Year we actually want to have more episodes is more often so right now. We're doing monthly. And the they're pretty like heavily produced episodes that go out every month interview. Someone and then we sort of you know cut And paste it into this story and have narration and all that but I also WanNa just like have conversations with people much like we're having right now and that may be lighter touch on the production and so I think we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA bump up to buy weekly and have you know two episodes come out a month one. That's very much along. The lines of these last four we've had words very narration storytelling based and then having Another episode go out which is just a conversation with someone will. That's a whole lot. Look forward to then all right. Sarah Shimazaki is the host and producer of the outside voices. podcast you can find it in your favorite podcast directory. We've got a link to the show notes here. Sarah thank you so much for joining us for sharing some of the wonderful audio. You've gotten so far and I for one very much. Look forward to seeing what you bring down the road. Yeah thank you so much. Thanks thanks for having me in for amplifying these voices and everything. We're trying to do here really appreciate it. And that's it for this episode of Go West. Young podcast this week in Western history is off early for the Thanksgiving holiday if you enjoyed this episode share with a friend or leave us a rating on apple podcasts. I am sure that Sarah would appreciate it. If you did. The same aim for outside voices feel free to drop us an E mail podcast at Western priorities. Dot Org or find me on twitter. I am a Weiss. If you're on the road this holiday weekend again have a safe drive. Go enjoy some of our back episodes as long as part of the day. I'm Aaron Weiss and on behalf of the whole team at the Center for Western priorities. Have Thanksgiving yeah.

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"So it's all done on their reporting where to gather and what's happening. It's cool that there are now five people in southwestern new hampshire who have signed up really and they're very privacy friendly you have to have certain signal in order to receive your code to create your account neat and they have a telegram which is always good. And it's got a messaging system that i have looked into the is supposedly encrypted as well. Just send messages to other users so have to say so far. I'm impressed and it sounds like if they want an app they should contact nobody and find a way of implementing. Self-rule one into this. I know that nobody are co host. Had had the intention of reaching out to that group. So i i don't know what status he has reached out to them. I think he wants to app to be like in a usable state. 'cause we inherited for listeners. That don't know cell phone. One is a an app that was created. probably like twenty fifteen by actually a listener. Freetalklive virgil the duva. And he did an amazing job at making this great little simple easy to use emergency alerts app where you can have your friends. Get the app and then You can all sort of create what they call cells. These aren't terrorist cells there peace peace sells but the idea is to to have these cells of people. You know maybe one for your family for your friends or whatever you can put them. You can have as many of these things as you want and so then at the thing is happening to you. That's bad like you know your house catches on fire. Someone's having a medical emergency the cops pull you over. You know whatever it is. That's going on. You can send an alert that goes out to the cells that you choose And it's an amazing app that has been used for a long time here in new hampshire by the activist community here in in too much success. Unfortunately virgil came into some tough personal times late last year and he wasn't able to really kind of keep up the app and these sorts of things need to be kept up. You have to like young delegate with goals dates their api and you update the thing so you can't just like release the app and just let be you gotta take care of it. And so he wasn't able to do that anymore. And the current version of the app that people can find at working depends. So if you're on it should work fine for you if you're on android there's a new version that's going to be coming out hopefully as soon as sometime later this week where process right now of trying to figure out what to do to get this thing online. There's a what's new required. So nobody's in the midst of writing nat But we're close. We're close to actually having some of what we would call showstopper level bugs fixed with cell phone once version. I'm using. I had to download from some third party app store because it was delisted from google for not being updated. Yeah and i don't know if it ever got updated get realistic. But it wasn't fixed at the time so lucky going to be fixed but it had the fix hasn't been uploaded so we will let you know when that happens. So that's why i'm saying like nobody's probably not banging down ammon bundy's door because the app isn't quite ready for primetime. Once it is. That's definitely something he intends to reach out. I look forward to beta testing it. Yeah absolutely well. There's actually a special group for that. So remind me later and i can. I can drive in there so back to the story here from the los angeles times where they're trying to smear and then bunny by suggesting that he is associated with Right wing racist groups even though he's personally in favor of union as you mentioned black lives matter andy. Funding the police. Which are i mean. Generally white supremacists like the police because generally police are white. Supremacist origins that's true. You mean catching slaves the police. Yeah that's right so according to l. a. times dot com. The investigators looked into the group which is called people's rights their website people's rights dot org. They found the network had twenty thousand members in sixteen states in an interview late last month near his home in idaho. Bundy claimed it had grown to almost fifty thousand people in thirty five states last. La times realized that the more stories like this they write the more people sign up for people's rights dot org. I don't know but don't tell them because this is good last fall. Facebook removed an undisclosed number of people's rights pages from its platform after deeming the network a militarized social movement. Well now. I know i'm interested. Yeah facebook saying it's bad than it must be worth looking at it so far. Nothing i've seen on here is bad. I mean they basically asked the same thing the cell phone and one s you know when the police show up or you did help who. You're going to call your friends because your friends won't shoot you. They ask almost literally the same question here. So who will you contact when your rights are threatened. You will call your neighbors. Yeah they're like less likely to shoot you the almost entirely unlikely to shoot you. Bundy said his soul cause was defending freedoms guaranteed under the constitution. Even for lgbtq people in black lives matter activists whose views he may oppose now again. That's not a quote from bundy. That's just what the l. a. times he never said i'm curious now. What his utah. Lgbt people are. I mean he's probably a right wing conservative. But i don't know i've never talked to the guy. He's very libertarian. Actually did we talk to him. I think we actually did talk. To one of the bundy's. I may have talked dam and bundy in the past honestly but it's been a very long time so going on here. He said he never supported. President trump and he didn't vote in the last two presidential elections in two thousand sixteen. He was in prison awaiting trial in this past november. He didn't see a point. So i mean obviously. He's not your typical if he's a conservative. You ain't your typical now. He is definitely closer to libertarian. Based on everything i've seen. He has conservative in contending the twenty or the kobe nineteen death. Toll is massively exaggerated. he said. That trump should've worked harder to keep churches and businesses open nonetheless. He encouraged his followers to go to washington for the now infamous january sixth rally to distribute leaflets display people's rights banners to recruit more members. He did say that. He condemned the siege on the capital. Was that because it was pointless and it didn't achieve anything or is was some some angry republicans role playing as protesters. Apparently he was also arrested. According to a photograph here in this article in the idaho state house in boise on august twenty six th of last year was arrested and wheeled out in an office chair or what appears to be a wheelchair here so maybe a little civil disobedience it looked like not sure what that was about. Bundy is carrying out a family tradition. He is the fourth of thirteen children in a mormon family. Grew up on. Nevada ranch. Seventy four year old. Father cliven became a hero to extreme libertarians. In the west. We extreme libertarian. That sounds cool when they say like that. Extreme libertarian extremist libertarian-leaning deed when he stopped paying grazing fees in nineteen ninety-three claiming his family had ancestral rights to run its cattle on public land. And that the government's ownership claims violated the constitution and in bundy left. The ranch is a young man. I for minnesota for two years of mormon mission service and then to southern utah university later moving to phoenix where he ran a truck repair business for fourteen years in two thousand fourteen. He stood with militias. That rallied behind his father's 'cause when fbi agents arrived at the nevada ranch with a court order to confiscate the family's cattle the government backed down to avoid bloodshed raising the family stature in far right circles and the part of the storm right. Yeah i thought. They said he was libertarians. That was his fans. Well that's what they said. The media loves make libertarian. Seem like right wingers. That's what they like. Yeah they they want to try to make. Libertarians seem even more far right. Then anyone else even though the reality of it is is libertarians. Agree with right wingers on some things and left-wingers on other things embarrassing what part i don't want people to think i'm a right winger. Unfortunately on my way to make them think. I also am the chairman of the republican committee. Which is a whole other issue entirely. But i've also been a democrat and run for for governor called a leftist a lot to. I'll do whatever. I need to do to get the ideas of liberty out basically but according to this now the thing. They're not mentioning here. Oh no they do mention it okay. So an important point about the original bundy's story. Is they charged a bunch of these people in the bundy ranch situation and weren't they all acquainted. Almost all of them were acquitted except for the ones that took plea deals. This is why you don't take the plea. You really shouldn't the next year. Bundy and his wife moved to emmet idaho which is farming town. Turn bedroom community. Outside of boise. He said that god had called him to support. Dwight him in junior and his son steven oregon ranchers sentenced to prison for setting fires on federal lands and in january of two thousand sixteen. He led an armed group that seized headquarters the headquarters of the malheur. Federal wildlife refuge demanding. The government relinquish in three the hammett's did they do so. Of course that's tragic but still a for effort man. That's hard core taking over federal building. They did and they occupied it for like forty something days more on this story. We'll get back six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty you think is he just troublemaker. Is he an anarchist. What is he is he just out there trying to put it. May maybe even honeypot six zero. Three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. some of you asked. And now we've delivered l. r. n. dot fm. Live keene new hampshire studio shows are now streamed in hd on twitch visit our channel at twitter dot l. r. n. fm and give it a follow. 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That's the latest weather checkout more news and weather on our website at heartland newsfeed dot com suggested earlier that i you just do a simple search for double masking on twitter and this was actually been our money suggestion. I just pass it along to you. Former freetalklive co host. Who moved to sign pan last year. He's been just on it with some really interesting twitter posts and this whole double masking thing is truly truly like religious zealotry. Yeah i had to stop at this one and you just share it with people on the air as per some experts recommendations doesn't even know why she's putting onto masters just because quote. Some expert told her to truly truly sad. But that's not really what we're talking about here to know how. I'm sure we'll get into it at some point. I want to get back to the bundy story. Because i find that far more encouraging for the future of freedom than i do these idiots putting on to mass for some reason. I well somebody else did it. So they're going to do it to someone. Some authorities said so so okay but anyway. The ammon bundy did check. By the way we interviewed ryan bundy which is one of the brothers of annan bundy's so in the past this was in two thousand fourteen after the wildlife. Nothing that was before the wildlife refuge situation but after the cliven bundy oka standoff so for listeners just tuning in ammon is the son of cliven bundy and he's the guy who led the wild wildlife refuge Situation in two thousand sixteen. Where a i don't know. A couple of dozen people occupied this federal property and it was in the middle of the winter time so it wasn't like they took over an active like on site. It was shut down for the winner. Okay and they took that over. And then according to the story at the los angeles times the oregon ranchers are sorry. The so bundy led this group in two thousand sixteen that seized the headquarters of the malheur refuge. Bundy was arrested during a traffic. Stop outside of the refuge and eventually tried on weapons and conspiracy charges a militant who fled the stop was shot and killed the that man had a name. I forget what. It was offhand. But they're just referring to him as a militant it by the way the man who fled the stop was not a danger to anyone he did not shoot at anyone but the cops murdered him right there running away. That's correct in a startling verdict. In october of two thousand sixteen bundy and other defendants were acquitted by jurors who found the federal prosecutors had failed to make their case. Wow yeah it was an amazing verdict. A series of verdicts more than one documentary about this. Because it's a good question. I don't know the families. Aura of invincibility only grew when a judge declared a mistrial in a criminal conspiracy case against bundy his brother ryan who interviewed and their father for the two thousand fourteen nevada ranch standoff saint government lawyers had suppressed the cattle outside of bunkerville nevada continue to graze on public land despite more than one million in unpaid fees bundy kept a low profile back in idaho where he managed rental properties and restored vintage vehicles with his children but the pandemic and resistance to the government telling people what to do set the stage for his return to activism. I love it. You can't keep a good actes down nope once you've once you've stood up for freedom you don't ever want to cower again. Yeah once you've told the state no you want to keep telling no that's right in march because that is what freedom ultimately is is the freedom to say no and be respected in your choice because we can say no and they'll put you in jail cell right. But in his case he actually was able to say no and they didn't put him in a jail cell because people on juries actually back them up which is amazing so in march he gathered several dozen supporters in a warehouse that he owns in idaho in his first public. Act of the group defied republican governor. Brad little stay at home directive and held an easter service for about sixty people now by the way at the same time we were doing. Some public acts here in new hampshire and we have not gotten the same media coverage now to be fair. We didn't have as many people. Didn't we go to an easter service. Actually you and. I don't know if it was easter but we did go to a church service and it was too late in the year to be easter. But we did nightcap. So when the governor here in new hampshire christie new created his so called stay at home order we went out the same night it went into effect. That's correct we went out. We were literally there a minute. After it went into effect like at the exact same time we were out partying with open containers in central square. And we did it for thirty six weeks in a row and the only reason we stopped is because it's like seven degrees and six inches of snow everywhere right now presumably when it's warmer will we. Hopefully we won't have to return. But i'm sure nightcap will return if only because it was a good time was a damn good time. I went to a newest one. That's right just one was it. Just i think just went. Well you'll have to come back to more. Because i suspect there will be a demand to bring it back This year so anyway. In their first act they went and held a church service. Which can people being told not to do this. In the same month police arrested. Sarah brady and anti vaccine activists for allegedly trespassing during an anti out protests at a playground closed due to corona virus restrictions. That's we've had something similar happen here. lady in concord was arrested at the playground but later on several months later for taking her kids to a playground. That was closed. Why did they arrest her several months later. What did they arrest her for. I don't recall i. i think it was disorderly. Okay i think her name is rochelle. She actually was at our new year's eve party. Oh as a matter of fact she was one wearing. The tide is short and she was doing dancing so bundy publicize the address of the officer. Who arrested ms brady and lead about forty people to protest. Outside of his home a tactic. The governor called disgusting. But i fully support. They picked up this lady at her home. That's right the one we're talking about anyway. These government bureaucrats think that they should just be able to keep their jobs separate from their home. Lives they that. We should respect the idea that they should have privacy in their family lives in their personal homes and so on and so that their off duty after five o'clock in the afternoon i will allow that if they're laws will stop going into effect when they're at home right when they're like. Oh no. i'm not the governor. Now i'm just chilling with my found. Now okay then you're laws. Don't apply right now. As soon as they stop arresting people in their homes as soon as they stop ruining people's lives by arresting peaceful people for not harming others than i will respect them and leave them alone in their homes people's homes just when they get a piece of paper from themselves saying that it's okay correct. Yeah man in a writes a piece of paper and then men with guns come in and ruin people's lives shoot. Dogs shoot innocent peaceful people. They cats just look that up since you here. Are they look cats to you. What possible threat is a cat to a human being well. They've shot caged dogs before. So i mean what possible threat because that have been any more the the more this discussion goes on so people's rights continued to expand establishing hundreds of chapters that bundy organized with the aim of being able to dispatch ten protesters to seen in ten minutes. One hundred in one hundred minutes in thousand in one thousand minutes instructed each chapter to launch teams to train in secret for paramilitary operations to defend members from criminals or government agents. Or do i repeat myself. That line was not in the la times but anyway going on in july. He led demonstrators to public building in idaho in town called cal well where they tried to barge into a meeting of officials who are discussing whether to impose a local mask mandate. This is not your building. Bundy shouted as he shoved demand guarding the doorway. The meeting was cancelled though. The health board eventually decided to recommend wearing masks in public the next month and some supporters forced their way past state troopers into an idaho. State house gallery that was closed. Because of the pandemic how do they. That doesn't sound like reality. How do you force yourself past state troopers without getting arrested. Well a police did arrest him twice in two days. Finally wheeling him out of the building in an office chair charged with trespassing obstructing officers he was banned from the capitol for a year in november people's rights members carrying tiki torches. Gathered in front of the boise mayor. Lauren mcleans house to protest. Run virus health restrictions. Many of their roughly thirty demonstrators. Were not wearing masks and several shouted opposition to a city call for residents to report businesses violating pandemic regulations. One woman yelled. Snitch is get stitches to love. It sounds like he's doing good work. Yeah there's more if you want it. Absolutely what do you think about the bundy's it sounds to me like they're they're doing the right now. I support it. I haven't seen anything here. That i disagree with so far so far just about everything. I've seen more men activism has been just awesome true. they're also behind the goldbach hornets. That was one of the activists things. I was thinking about six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty s to call online that six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free talk live. Are you tired if governments murdering people around the world stop using their money. There is alternative. Bitcoin is a stateless free market. Non-political currency bitcoin cannot be inflated or controlled by any government by using their money. You are helping the state stop doing it. You have an incredible alternative available now learn it use. It spread it get started with bitcoin. Bitcoin dot com. That's bitcoin dot com. 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If i remember correctly a great place to be check it out at four fest dot party there's an unofficial telegram chat. There's an unofficial forum for up party june. The twenty eight through july the fourth at rogers campground boise there again. Fork fest up. Party is the website. Well let's go to the phones. Apparently some sports ball thing happened over the weekend. And i heard about that. Some people are really upset. Tell us about that turned ferguson. Yeah well i Heard earlier today that That particularly i mean the most insane people in my opinion. And i've been calling for over a year on how insane the less has been becoming. They're really angry that the tampa bay buccaneers beat the kansas city chiefs over the weekend and not because not because they like the not because they yuks are the better team not because they Support the accident in any any measurable amount more than and then to kansas city chiefs. But only because tom brady. Who is the quarterback. I guess who who. I guess at some point got traded to the buccaneers Because he white and and the Quarterbacks the chiefs is black. And they're mad that the white quarterback beat the black quarterbacks. They're really offended about this. Where are you seeing this. I haven't seen this well well. There's there's a twitter storm that's been kicking up Among some of the blue checkmark woke politics. morons out there Including commentators. Lisa and michael smith. Michael holly the end of any of these people are. I wouldn't say that. This reflects on all leftist. Just seems like you saw some crazy people talking on twitter of presumably there's black and white people on both teams usually i. I didn't say anything about race on both sides but listen but these are just some of the The liberals that've been Really angry and upset that That the black quarterbacks for the white quarterback by the way wait black quarterback beat the white quarterback keesa quarterbacks. Beat the black quarterback. Oh yeah yeah. The white quarterback feet the black quarterback. Tom brady yeah. That's the only they're mad about this by the way see. I be mad about the lack of masks once the game was over. This just makes me. I mean sports to me is pretty mindless as but that makes it even dumber for people to be arguing about sports because one guy has a ki skin color that they don't like i mean that's basically what you're talking about. Seems like a small group of people. I haven't heard of this phone. You said it was a twitter storm. Whatever that means. Yeah uh-huh and by the way i should say this is this is. This is pretty insane to be fair out of us. Accidentally like monitoring twitter or watching twitter feeds or anything like that no. I do go on twitter on occasion. While i'm on the toilet Just twitter belong just to see what some people who haven't made the switch to mastodon are still doing over there and by the way i should say that i'm not the one we saw this on twitter. The independent media is covering this big already because of how much blowing up on twitter but these people are also mad. Because tom brady for four years ago was seen with a maga hat in his locker. And they're angry because he he wasn't canceled ever because of that you wasn't fired or cancelled because He owns a maga half and and that also was really upsetting to the liberals and And i think this is being so upset over. What other people do you know what other people are spending their money on their time on. I mean these people obviously obviously have nothing better to do. Maybe that's because they've locked themselves in their homes for the last year and they just don't have a life they have nowhere to go right. I don't know. And i just don't understand the obsession with other people's anything. Well keep in mind. These are all the brunch liberal to these are all the liberals that have everything handed to them on a silver platter and And it's really funny. I think because You know jerome always calls it and talk about. What a racist donald trump is and and how he's been life been like this this This this this really obnoxious unpleasant and Dividing racist over the past four years when he was the president. But it's happens to be the liberals here that are mad that Just a white guy. Beat a black guy and i would really like to hear what jerome has stayed about that because this isn't coming from donald trump this is coming. I shouldn't call on a weekend jerome. I think is exclusively a weekend radio listener. So he's probably barbara. We're just gonna say turned ferguson. Is really generalizing here. He's talking about all. I don't like any generalizing. And he's talking about all leftists. All are dumb enough to act like this and i really don't think that there's a big problem of people talking about this. Even twitter has some people being loud about it. I'm not generalizing. I'm just i'm i'm talking about really i'm talking about really fifty people here and i even named off a couple of them specifically who are acting like a bunch of mork and i miss morons on twitter tired. Thank you so much for the call the update you read off some names from people that i've never heard of who sounds like they're saying some pretty stupid things. If you want to find morons on twitter just search for double masking plenty there. I think is more interesting. That nobody's wearing masks in tampa all the sudden. I have a friend from italy. And she lived in italy of twenty twenty but she just moved to florida and she put posted a video of herself. That like a club or a bar in tampa like the night of the super bowl and she was panning around the room. It was just a bunch of young people really close to each other dancing and talking and drinking and none of them like there was like one mask and the entire video. I washed do i. I was stunned. When i saw the ending of the super bowl because we watched it at work and the number of people not wearing masks in their booths and as they mingled and they celebrated with people after the game it was encouraging to see so few people wearing masks. I remember remarking at that moment. I bet this is already going viral on twitter from people complaining about the fact that they're not wearing mess. That's what i expect people to be upset about. Not the fact that tom brady is white and the other guy was black. That is of no consequence whatsoever. Except for people who obsessive race and people who obsess over people who obsess over race. Yeah i'm just rolling through here looking at people talking about double masking and how proud they are about it. Definitely virtue signaling. A some of them are saying that it hurts their ears but they're doing it anyway because some experts said so. I thought it was more comfortable ono though some are say. Hey you know everybody's got a different opinion about it but some of them are saying. It is more comfortable to wear the double mask. Here's one person presumably just shopping stops to take a selfie of herself and tax it double masking at the best buy. Yep she just wants to show everybody yes. There is no other points this. I've never just been walking through. The store thought now. It's a great time to stop and take a selfie. Well i do that. A double masking. Now what do you think about this virtue signal. Maybe turned his right. Maybe it's a problem what these people are saying on twitter. Six zero three two eight three six one six zero against six zero three two eight three six one. Six zero congressman recently revealed that legislation totaling twenty nine hundred pages and involving more than one. Trillion dollars was available to members of congress for less than forty eight hours to study and consider that's over sixty pages of legislation per hour. 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Money explains rather well as you found then was the one who suggested searching for double masking the first place and as he points out on his twitter at vin armani. He says that double masking is a thing. Helps you understand that you're dealing with a religious phenomenon. When masks become mandated as they are in a lot of the united states right now and elsewhere in the world wearing the mask is no longer a signal of church of woke membership. Therefore the second mask must be added to signal willing participation and indeed. When you see the people with the double masks what you'll see a lot of cases is that they will purposely wear contrasting masks so they'll have like a white mask and then oversaw or over top of a black mask or vice versa or something like that that way you know that. They're wearing masks. It clear right because if they were wearing the exact same type of mask you'd have to look carefully. You'd have to really look at them to see if they were wearing masks may not know how much they care right. So it's important for them to signal that and yeah so this person on twitter says i can't believe some of y'all aren't triple masking yes and this is serious right. These are people being totally serious. I've always been double masking sometimes. Even triple masking. I prefer no masking. I bet they weren't about. They've just been doing massgov. I've always been triple asking. It's it's distressing but we are covering good news at the moment or at least refreshing news. That isn't about crazy people. It's about people actually fighting for their rights and therefore the people at the los angeles times think that's crazy. Well of course they do but they also think that you know wearing three layers of fabric over your faces. A good idea for politician said so so therefore it must be true and some experts. According to this person on twitter said so Do you want to continue with the ammon. Bundy absolutely going on there so listeners Just tuning in. We're talking about an bundy's new organization and new. As of the last year it he created it. I think in march of twenty twenty called people's rights the website is people's rights dot. Org to the los angeles times credit. They did link to his website. So that was nice So but now they've everything they can to bad mouth him Since that point but They're talking about how this organization has chapters all across the united states now he is claiming as many as fifty thousand members of this group and the idea is that it's a group of people. Maybe they don't all agree on everything but they will come together to the defense sort of the mutual defense of other people in their network when called upon and we sort of liken this to sell four one one which is an app that does similar things that hopefully. We'll have some good news for you about later on this week but Just to bring you up to speed here so back to the story here from the los angeles times talking about some of the activism that they've done over the last year like going to the boise mayor's house and protesting outside carrying torches and there were a couple dozen demonstrators out there not wearing masks shouting to a city call for residents to report businesses for violating pandemic regulations. They also protested in the state house. Where bundy was twice arrested in two days there and is now banned from the capitol for year as a result. About what about the rights of a citizen to petition. You know there are senators representatives or whatever doesn't matter they'll ban you from wherever they want in fact. They banned footloose frank. Who was arrested at the governor's house from coming back within a thousand feet of the governor's house really. Yeah as part of his bail conditions. So i didn't hear that. In the next month boise area health board shut down. Its own meeting after a county. Commissioner tearfully interrupted the proceedings to say she had to rush home because people's rights demonstrators. Were harassing her. Family actually saw this clip. It's pretty entertaining. It's probably not them harassing her family. It's just them protesting outside. She says my twelve year old son is home alone right now and protesters are banging outside the door. She said when people didn't flip out there she left her twelve year old home alone. I mean i was staying home by myself. And i was twelve years old. But that's not acceptable in today's society. Staying at home at like seven was babysitting twelve. The interview last month held at a restaurant in emmett. Idaho where he lives wear masks are optional. And few people wear them bunny. Bundy defended his group's method. The government and society are deteriorating courts are unjust legislature tramp legislatures trample rights and families allow the state to educate and influence their children. We can't disagree with any of that. He's right people will need more and more to be able to find security. He said and he said protests could achieve results much faster than lawsuits citing a demonstration that his group staged at a june hospital or at last june at a hospital in olympia washington. Hospital officials at the time weren't allowing a couple to be with their newborn after the mother tested positive for the corona virus quote within an hour and a half. We had a couple of hundred people there at a couple of thousand people coming. Once the hospital started to see there was literally a presence of people. They retracted their position. Blamed it on the government's health department and released the baby to the parents angela. Effective yep a providence saint. Peter hospital spokeswoman disputed the accuracy of bundy's account but said that the patient confidentiality prevented her from discussing. The case asked whether hospital staff members were given a chance to explain their reasoning for isolating. The baby bundy said no. He said you don't get to take somebody's baby and thank you. Have a side of justice. It was black and white last month at the hospital protests in vancouver washington kelly stuart the people's rights coordinator for the area narrated a livestream video on bundy's youtube account that ultimately attracted more than seventy thousand views. The videos of protests are trying to pry open the locked double doors and a deputy spraying chemical irritant in his face. The protesters cheered when the hospital released. Meyer whose tearful daughter wheeled her out and helped her into a van freedom. A man yelled stewart along time. Bundy compatriot berated law enforcement for siding with the hospital. Instead of the protesters she said that right wing activists who joined back the blue rallies last summer and waved american flags with blue lines had been duped quote. We're starting to learn your actually the standing army. Our founders warned us against there just dangerous tired. She said we're having a blue line flag burning party tonight bravo. Oh better late than never for sure. I love the say. Credit to richard reid. The author here. That's a great way to end that story. That stand that's the ending that they're going blue. Burn the blue line flags that's awesome. That's not a bad idea either. But i don't want to encourage the blue line flag people by buying them in order to burn them similarly they already had them because they were supporters during their own blue line flags in that case which is awesome. That is a good innings. I hope they made video of that too. That would have made a great video. It's good to see that you know. His activism is proving successful and that people are beginning to see the police for what they are. Which are the enforcers of tyranny for the state. They're not anything else. No doubt and it's also good to see them using as you mentioned earlier the technology Like telegram signal. These are better than facebook kind of organizing methods. They're not the best they're they're still centralized you know. Telegram is still a company. It sure not a mega company like facebook. But it's still a company and they. They have taken down some chat rooms on their platform. So for the most safe form of chatting on the internet you gotta go with the matrix you really need to look into. You don't have to use our server but if you want to check it out go to chat dot freetalklive dot com and there. There's a instructions step by step instructions on to connect to that server and matrix is decentralized it's polycentric meaning that there's different matrix servers all around the globe so if you've got somebody that knows what they're doing we do like an. It guy he can set that up for you can have your own server or you can use one of ours. For instance you can use our server. Make your own chat room there if you want to. It is cool technology. You're right they do. Use a lot of these technologies that are very familiar to libertarians. In addition to telegram in order to even sign up for the site. You have to have signal because i sent you a text message and whatever it is that they do it has to send you an encrypted text message. They won't assume you'll receive just garbage if you don't have signal. I like that feature signal doesn't send texts anymore. They only use their their network. Now so you won't receive anything if you don't have signal six zero. 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Different guy okay well. There's no doubt that the sports is definitely the part of the bread and circuses. Right to keep people distracted and keep them ignorant about that being they sole purpose on that means. It's good to have some things that distract you from your daily life now and then and i don't think those are ideas necessarily bad everybody's got to have a hobby everybody's gotta have something to To pass the time you play video games when you get the get the time for it or Or whatever everybody's got the thing that they do that ticks away. The seconds until are inevitable demise in sports is one of those things. My dad loves sports. it's really cute. Well i did see that. The super bowl is at the lowest ratings it has had in decades. Apparently thousand five was the last time it was this slow. I thought it was. I mean they said decades. I didn't look at the article. That was just the headline that i saw okay so i didn't look at any articles about it either. So that's good news for our caller there if people are if he believes that sports is this sort of opiate of the masses than that means that fewer people are watching at the very least watching football american football. Mike thank you so much for the call. Yeah he needs to get his phone under control a little noisy there. I started hearing stuff in the background. I was like. I've got to put a stop to this about that. So rush limbaugh is ailing and so is the conservative. Talk radio industry and i picked this. Because i know it's a topic that you love discussing. At least i did not know. I was not aware that the talk radio industry is predominantly conservative. Didn't know that no. Oh yeah absolutely. There was a time in the arts over a decade ago when the leftist tried to like do talk radio and they launched a thing called air america and it just it sailed over like a lead balloon. I mean it did not go very well. They had a bunch of money like venture capital investor types and they ran out of money and shut down there are there are probably no more than a handful of quote unquote progressive talk stations broadcasting in america. Today and we've been stations say tend to be younger people in young people. Don't listen to the radio. I mean that could be a factor in it but for whatever reason there's just not a whole lot of money guess in people being willing to sponsor those stations for some reason. I don't know why that is so rush limbaugh. The most successful talk radio host in history is ailing and so is the medium medium. He revolutionize over the last thirty years based with aging and shrinking audiences competition from newer technologies and financial problems for the biggest station. Owners talk radio is in decline both as a business and a political force once the leading platform for popularizing conservative candidates and policies. Talk radio is now on the verge of becoming background. Noise drowned out by cacophony of voices on podcast cable. Tv and social media. Who's writing the story. Msn dot com. You find them to be exaggerating. Well i mean. I find it to be an exaggeration. The talk radio was ever any kind of a motivational thing. Or i forget the word. They use their. That suggested that it was once this great organizational thing and i think that a lot of talk show hosts wanna make themselves seem like they're that big of an influence but i don't think they are. They're just people who talk on the radio now and they have opinions and they want to believe that people will like follow them or whatever. But i don't think there's any real evidence for any of that. The formats crisis comes as big biggest. Star is battling to stay on the air indeed. He's battling for his life. Limbaugh seventy has been frank about his struggle with what he said. Last year's advanced lung cancer he was a smoker for a long time from what i understand. His uncertain future confronts the talk radio business and conservatism generally with the prospect of losing s. Most galvanizing figure says sleeping from a local local station. Sacrimento to nationally syndicated stardom in one thousand nine hundred eight Limbaugh has been the bullhorn behind every important conservative initiative from the contract with america in the mid nineties to the tea party movement of the obama area era to the ascent of donald trump. Not the contract with america. I've heard about this before was it. This is like where conservative. republicans pledged to be conservative. And they didn't and they made a new plaid sometime in the two thousand to the same. It sounds vaguely familiar and surprise the politicians told you ally and rush limbaugh all along the way making excuses. I'm sure for these people i mean. There's no doubt that limbaugh deserves a lot of credit for essentially being sort of the granddaddy of talk radio in its current form. So he does. He definitely deserves that credit. The article makes it sound like he's responsible for from the shift like originally. You had to pay to get a show on your radio station. And it sounds like according to this article that he was the one who came up with the idea of oh no we can just sell them airtime and they can have the show for free if they will run it. No rush limbaugh is actually one of the few page shows. Meaning that stations actually pay rush limbaugh whereas ninety nine percents of talk shows out there. Do not get paid from the stations there on. We're on one hundred and ninety radio stations over the entire week here on free talk live. So that's how many stations carried the show right and they do not pay a dime to air free talk live and that's true for almost every show that they've got on the air unless they've got rush in which case then they're paying based on their market size so larger markets pay more for rush than smaller markets. Do basically. they're going to pay about as much as they would pay a local talk show host to do that slot. Okay so rush is insanely expensive. Show sounds like it. Yeah early in the coronavirus. Pandemic limbaugh told told listeners that the virus was no worse than the common cold and the the news media had weaponized a crisis to hurt trump. he floated the fringe theory that the virus was created in a chinese laboratory as a bioweapon a few weeks before the november election. He devoted to hours of his program to a worshipful trump interview. After trump lost he amplified the president's lies about voter fraud and at one point suggested that conservative states might secede from the union and then walked that back. of course he's a coward. Yeah the next day. Trump for his part awarded limbaugh the presidential medal of freedom during the state of the union speech last year and it goes on with a little bit about trump. Limbaugh hear them. I said trump limbaugh rush limbaugh. The isn't super important because book conservative. Talk radio's foremost problem. Is how many people are listening. As who the audience they grew up with. Limbaugh is now quite cray largely people sixty five and older fewer than eight percent of those who regularly listen to talk. Radio are twenty five to fifty four according to nielsen's research meanwhile yes meanwhile plain old. Am fm radio. The primary medium for talk programs is rapidly losing ground to newer technology such as satellite radio streaming audio and podcasts. Only fifty percent of those surveyed by edison research last year listed terrestrial radio stations as their first listening choice in a car. The shifts make someone like comedian. Joe rogan libertarian. I don't know about that about that either. With a hugely popular podcast quotes that next rush. Limbaugh let's talk about the absolutely because it it's a fascinating evolution of media here and we're living at six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty six zero three two eight three six one six zero. Are we irrelevant. This is free talk. Live having taken her father's role. Sarah calhoun has fallen out. With one of our best allies. Her brother nathaniel heads into imperial philadelphia with reckless planet. Uncle thomas armed with new powers and new allies aims to remove sara from her throne and for the world of living to survive against the strings. She needs to find an impossible war ceremony. Unite the mound builder gig to enact an agent right. That will propel her. 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According to jim mckay with prevent child abuse west virginia. The state's child protective services. Division is still struggling to catch up from budget cuts during the great recession. He says he points out. Mingo county still has only one. Cps worker for the entire area who handles cases for more than seventy children. That's just heartbreaking. We know there are vacancies across the state in child protection services. And if there's budget cuts of the nature that it's being proposed. Many of those physicians will remain unfilled with devastating consequences. Lawmakers say that eliminating personal income tax would attract more people to live and work in west virginia. I'm diane bernard this is p. Ns electric buses and other heavy vehicles are taking to the streets. Nationwide lily bulky reports for soundbites source. Many of them are powered with batteries manufactured in south carolina. David clayton with clemson. University's international center for automotive research says the fleet services sector appears to be among the first to turn away from diesel and internal combustion engines in favor of going electric that includes companies such as fedex and amazon but also port operations the cranes in vehicles. That handle cargo vote because it makes sense for their business. It's more cost effective approach in some cases but you know they have sustainability mandates and targets that they're trying to achieve tara. The electric battery charging station manufacturer with one plant in greenville and another near los angeles also is working with leading construction equipment manufacturer to electrify off road equipment just last month president. Joe biden announced plans to replace the government's fleet with electric vehicles wyoming lawmakers considering a proposal that would require a governor's order before any of the state's winter. Ill feedlots can be phased out. Jonathan rattener with the western watersheds project says the move ignores basic science and warns. It would make it much more difficult to address. The potential for permanent chronic wasting disease contamination across western wyoming. They're making it much harder to solve this problem by something. In the current status quo which was developed approximately one hundred years ago prior to any understanding of disease transmission issues or wildlife management ethics conservationists warned that feedlots where large numbers of gathering close quarters are potential super spreading events for disease livestock producers and outfitters have defended winter lots to keep elk away from cattle feed and maintain large herd numbers. I'm eric gladys finally. Our ticket off has been talking with an idaho congressman who may have taken the first step untangling the tricky don of dams in the northwest and their effects on salmon representative mike simpson has laid out a thirty three billion dollar columbia basin fund while it includes breaching the four lower snake river dams. It also addresses replacing their benefits such as energy irrigation for local agriculture. Brian brooks heads. The idaho wildlife federation. He says it's critical. Lifeline for the region's endangered salmon and steelhead finally. Finally someone giving us attention to this issue because it is such a big problem because it's gonna require a big solution. Simpson is giving the attention. It serves simpson has been working on the plan for three years in his three hundred meetings with stakeholders over that time. More than a dozen fish species have become endangered since dams were constructed. This is by clifford. Four public new service. We are members of the supported garon. Great radio stations across the nation and online at public news service dot. Org here's a look at weather from the hotline us feet weather center today. Mostly cloudy and cold with a high temp leonine tonight. A slight chance of snow after midnight later turning into freezing break. Low around sixteen. There is a chance of snow before eleven am wednesday. Later turning to a snow sleet mix high near twenty one. That's the latest weather checkout more news and weather on our website at heartlands news. Feed dot com rush. Limbaugh does video as well doesn't he. He does as i understand it. You got to pay naturally see ours is free you can watch us on t live dot freetalklive dot com or twitch dot freetalklive dot com. You can watch us later on youtube if you want to do that for whatever stupid reason by the way. I talked to jeremy from library over this weekend. They had the porcupine day festivities in new hampshire on saturday. But actually bonnie and i both went to. I took the night off from the show to go to this. This was the five year celebration at the free state. Project held to sort of call a closed their five-year move window because that started in february of two thousand sixteen so it is now over. That doesn't mean the free state project is is over. They're going to continue recruiting people to to migrate here. As as i think that they should do. I used to think that they should shut down. But they convinced they They were pretty persuasive that they've been doing really well in the last couple of years. Anyway jeremy kaufman. Who's the founder of library. Which is a decentralized blockchain based video hosting service which is an awesome thing by the way l. r. y. dot com. He was there. And i did speak with him. They are in the testing process of doing streaming library. And so we're sort of on the shortlist of shows that they they may be coming to get kicked off right. I would hope that they wouldn't kick us off because they came to us a long time ago about librarian. Freetalklive is on librarian. Freakiness on library so it seems like a no brainer that we should also be streaming to to their new website which is called odyssey o. d. y. s. e. Okay so that's sort of put a front end if you will onto the the whole library thing. So they're competing with with youtube as a decentralized system what i did learn about library streaming is it's actually still centralized so it's not peer to peer streaming. They're not doing that but they do have their own centralized streaming services like all right. We should be on that. So hopefully we'll have something to announce about that sooner. Rather than later. I keep intending to put bad movie club on library. But i haven't actually gotten around to it. We watched Shark to push versus well wolf and it was. I cannot recommend it got even as a bad movie. It was one of those made for sci-fi bad movies that you know was going to bat and it's trying to be bad for the side channel. Yeah okay and it's it's not enjoyable. There is no humor in it. I regret the fact that i watched that it was no shark. Nato then I haven't watched shark nato. I did watch shark and saw women's prison massacre and there's video of that if you wanna check out that's bad movie club dot. Us oh really. Yeah legis four-star youtube channel but us that money goes to the us government right. I didn't know so. I do not know that then. But that's the url at the moment. Yeah hey so. What do you recommend like what you've you've been doing this bad movie club. For how many weeks. Now maybe two months. What's the worst. What's the best worst movie. You've seen killer. Raccoons too dark christmas in the dark and style gloriously. Stupid no but if you really wanna go all out there and see the worst of the worst. It's dude bro. Party massacre three. Okay there is no one or two obvious dude. Bro party massacre. Three the dumbest thing you will ever watch and you will be dumber after watching that. I don't know if i wouldn't go that it's bad enough. Just reading people about double masking on twitter. It's up there with double and triple masking killer. Raccoons too dark christmas and the dark though is enjoyable. And it's i would recommend that one okay so back to the subject of talk radio. Conventional radios decline appears to have accelerated sharply during the pandemic. Yes it has. And that is due to also. It's happening to news media as far as like newspapers also was on a decline prior to two thousand twenty but definitely declining more sharply after that. And that's because frankly advertising dollars dried right up. So you know. Companies that were actually advertising on the radio in in newsprint. For instance probably television as well that we're advertising now. All of a sudden didn't have customers coming through the door so they didn't have the budget anymore to actually pay for the advertising that they were doing so you had companies that we're advertising cancelling at ads like basically saying. Hey we don't have any money anymore so we can't pay you for the ads that we already agreed to buy so some companies just same. Sorry and then. So how do you keep your radio station on the air. How do you keep your newspaper in print. If you don't have any advertisers i mean. These are historically ad driven business models in that whole business. Model just evaporated basically overnight. Thanks to the government in their various different restrictions. So it's it's tough out there for a lot of radio station owners. Although it's probably even tougher for the big mega corporations because they already had huge debt loads that their companies were struggling to pay off prior to cope it. They were already companies like iheartmedia which used to be known as clear channel and cumulus media. These are two of the largest companies in america both of them have gone through bankruptcy proceedings in the last several years last few years as the government gives them money to stay alive. That's a good question honestly. I haven't heard about that happening. It wouldn't surprise me if they have. But for whatever reason. I haven't seen the news on that. The story mentioned stat at some point and it says they filed for bankruptcy protection or something. I don't know exactly dead meets but it probably has a help. Talk media that for last year. One of the only things that we've really had to talk about has been the pandemic otherwise news has been extraordinarily slow throughout the last year. Yeah and i hate it and people are probably sick of talking about it sick of hearing about it. Daily commutes have been disrupted by stay at home orders and a new work from home culture wiping out part of radios lucrative quote. Drivetime audience unclear whether those listeners will return after the pandemic subsides traffic jams return. That is true. I saw the numbers about that. Npr was publishing and that their radio listenership dropped by like twenty five percent really. Yeah because people aren't going to work talk radio older demographics where weakness even before the pandemic said jerry. Del kalaiana and new york university business professor turned off by the hosts. Occasional nastiness and seeking younger customers mini blue. Chip companies have stopped advertising on talk. Radio shows leaving the stations with smaller sponsors. Pay less yes. Some advertisers will not by talk. Radio doesn't matter whether it's left or right wing or whatever they will not by what is considered controversial programming because they don't want to be associated with it. Don't want to be part of some sort of boycott of that kind of publicity. So they stay away from it and that has resulted in. And i think they're about to say this in in the article but that's resulted in a different kind of advertiser. You'll hear people like not that. I listened to show but i've been told that this is going on By by mark edge one of our co host that you'll hear rush limbaugh doing what they call per inquiry or per acquisition calls so or or advertisements in that means that if rush limbaugh's like promoting thing on the air and you call the number that he gives out then rush gets paid so they didn't pay rush to do the ad they pay him on the back end. If you know they sell a tractor or whatever it is that that's how it often works to advertisers as well. You know these. Vpn companies like finding youtube channel senate special url and if someone actually uses that url yet okay yeah or like affiliate links to correct so for for a company like referred for broadcaster like rush limbaugh to have to resort to affiliate links of the equipment the radio equivalent of an affiliate link. Yeah that's that's a tough time so limbaugh style talk. Radio was originally. A solution to the industry's technical and business problems by the nineteen eighty s. Am radio had lost out to the higher fidelity fm band s the preferred medium for music. The most popular kind of radio programming as rock pop country and other formats migrated to fm am stations facing exit-entry crisis. What to do the answer had news. Neither of which required high fidelity limbaugh proved to not only be wildly popular but also cost effective in eight. A savvy former. Abc radio executive. Pant they They fluff out a lot of this. All they had to do was carry rush. Limbaugh's program set aside for minutes per hour for ads. That mclaughlin's company sold to national sponsors and the station has got to sell the remaining commercial time to local advertisers and according to this they got russia's show for free that must have been the early days because that changed say nineteen eighty-eight so six zero three two eight three six one six zero. This is free. Talk live divvy. He's been a pretty good investment for free talk live their ad campaign started in september two thousand nineteen and from mid march to mid july. The values soared by ten times. It's not too late. New wallet hasn't even released yet and other things are happening that i can't even say on the radio. If you want to invest and potentially do well go to divvy project dot org. I can tell you that f. t. l. is deepening partnership with the guys from divvy project. Dot org past performances not an indication of future prophet divvy project dot org d. i v. i. project dot org. 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Suddenly i got bad for a within seconds got banned for posted i had made on december the fourth more than a month before So i don't know it was that about. I don't recall okay but That's suspicious the last time. I was banned. It was because of something related to bitcoin and immediately afterward. I got hit with another thirty day ban. So it's the it's hard to even be upset. You can just do other things with your time. Yeah well i never used facebook much anyway. Because every time i post up getting bad no matter what it is that i post it's stupid. I don't know why i keep doing it. Except it's such a miniscule team to me that hey if it works. I might as well say something there and they just like being abused. I don't know not buy into. Let's go to the phones. You've got the anarchist's republican calling our republican. You're on free. Talk live yeah. Greeting semantic kanda montana. Hello anyway Yeah this is talk about The decline of talk radio is really distressing to me especially given the deep platforming and the other media outlets are because they seem like they're just all On the same tate's the same left as you know Propaganda gets his perpetrated on them. And it's sad to see the decline of it. But i can. I can attest. It's true because I've got the point where the radio is my main media and the local station here. I mean the only play about six different commercials all oh commercials than i mean. I used to get real angry about the commercials you know because they they drive me crazy and then i realized wait a minute. You know these are the people that are supporting your information for them. You wouldn't have it at all. So i mean sometimes they play three or four times an hour the same commercials because betas a bad thing and we and we gotta realize just how much information the great thing about radio is that at night you know you can pick up stations that are thousands of miles away and people just sort of find you and that's how i found you guys. I just happened to tune into you. Yeah i love. The internet doesn't isn't quite like that. The internet is can be controlled and the internet. You seek you generally have to seek out what you're looking for. It's very rare just going to stumble across a signal on the internet. Like you can on radio. And i don't think that radio is on. Its last legs. I think that you know even though it is having a tough time right now due to an and it's not just the pandemic or the government restrictions associated with it. This has been building for decades for talk. Radio in the nineteen ninety s. They had what they called. Consolidation happened in the business and what had happened. Then was the fcc under. I don't know if it was clinton or where it was but at some point they changed the rules to allow one company to own more than more than x. Radio stations that. I remember what the number was but there was a very low limit on the number of stations that one company could own generally and then they they did that limit and it made it so that these companies could buy up tons of radio stations. So come what they did. And that's what they did less than iheart to route enormous numbers of loan right so they bought a bunch of these mom and pop radio stations up and then caught all this debt and then what happened in the in the next decade so not long after in the next decade in the arts. Well guess what. The internet came along with this unexpected competition to radio. I mean some of us could see it coming but the radio business certainly didn't and so then all of a sudden these radio stations had limited competitors on various different broad internet platforms and now as a result of that the price of radio stations started going down and so they'd poured all this money into these stations and then when they tried to sell them later on they could only sell them at fractions of what they had originally paid for them so they've been upside down. On these radio stations. For decades radio disney went on went under a few years ago and literally sold their stations off for fractions of what they paid for them. Sounds like that base os zuckerberg or you guys. Just buy up all the radio too. It's like the newspapers well. They haven't done that yet and if they did try to have you if a if you can buy it for a song ever existed on this planet economics though are that if you start going around trying to buy all the radio stations then all of a sudden the prices are going to go up so that wouldn't be a smart move to make in that particular care but if you're ryan you're right because that's how they get their she. Does those newspapers. They don't really care if those newspapers make money. Those newspapers are just of their voice. Yeah republican thank you so much for the call. I tend to agree with you in. I don't think talk radio or radio in general is going to die but it's going to have to evolve in some ways. Well it did wore my heart when i learned that bonnie who is in her early twenty s actually has listened to the radio. Okay that is good. That was a surprise to me. When i found out that not only has she listened to broadcast radio but has actually listened to. Am radio are you talking about custody. Coast whatever whatever it was. Yeah coast to coast but the point is like generally you don't consider young people to be radio listeners. And i think that's probably true. Generally i mean. Do you know do a lot of your friends. Do they actually listen to the radio. And i don't know anybody that listens to the radio. We all connect our phones via bluetooth to our stereo and we stream music from spot. Yeah the least. I think the least relevant radio out there is music radio. I mean why would anyone listen to it anymore. There's what can you get from usa radio. That you can't get online from a zillion different locations know. I mean and only thing that they have is some program director who picks the songs for you. And if that's what you wanna do. There people online that do that as well. I mean there's also features on spotify where they create a new playlist for you every single day with some artists. You liked those artists and you may never have heard of. I love that is apple music. But i love that on apple music because i just can't remember songs that i like also just shows you new music that you like a discovery factor there and of course then you all you have to do to find out what the song is actually look to look at your device music radio. It doesn't have. I don't think the staying power talked does even though this article things talk is on the way i think just in the process of changing well mark. Mitchell would talk radio. You hear something different every single day. I mean there's no doubt about it. When i try here. I listened to the same two hundred songs. All the time we'll talk. Radio is always different. Six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty hi. I'm derek j. I don't want a politician to represent me to me. 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And you'll be kept in the loop with free talk live i am in. It's free talk. live talk. radio control six three two eight three six one six zero. It's the number talk about whatever you want. Six zero three two eight three sixty one six eight weeks tonight. It's aria bonnie and ian and we've been here on talk radio talking about the decline of talkradio ian as you mentioned earlier. It points out that you know all of these forces are converging on conventional media and they pushed the two biggest station owners iheartmedia cumulus media to file for bankruptcy court protection in two thousand and seventeen in two thousand and respectively. These were the economic str- circumstances prior to the covid restriction. Yes and cova just has exacerbated the situation. It was seem because advertisers tried up. Everyone's shopping online local newspaper. Here in keene new hampshire which has been around since the seventeen hundreds. It's the oldest crap. It's the old late the late seventeen hundreds but still. It's the oldest newspaper in new hampshire. From what i understand. So they've been around long enough. They've got their building paid for right like tape. They must own the building by now. There's no more so the you know. They don't have the biggest overhead as far as some newspapers. They're not renting fancy facilities in new york city here so they were begging for donations to stay in business because they're they had advertisers anymore and they obviously wanted to continue operating so they asked for donations from the community and they got they got around forty thousand dollars in donations on the first run through that i saw them doing. I don't know if they did a subsequent one but you know good for them. So are they still in business they are. Let's go to the phones. We've got david calling from new mexico. David you're on free talk. Live under the heading of sell four. one one. I got a question on that combining some elements that you set your program tonight. You're talking about the ammon bundy and and some Protests to salvation activities that were going on without and Don't wanna draw on somebody said on your program multiple times the past. Is that the the only thing stopping people from having the government they deserve as composers to as opposed to the government is being forced on them. Is that That thin blue line guys out there that are call yourself a thin blue line. You could be working for us for the people but instead you're protecting the The power hungry money hungry Oppressive governments and if what you should do is turn your lying around Posing them and fighting for us. And that's what you need to do and just remember guys that When the people finally get control of this you had better have turned around by then. Because if you haven't you're gonna get the you're going to get taken down and it ain't gonna be. I think it'd be fun for you thumb. it's tough though. I mean to be in that position for for somebody who might be a police officer who actually doesn't want to go along all this tyranny How do you flip if you feel like every other officer is going to be against you know then you just know. You're going to end up in a prison cell for doing that. So that's not going to move a lot of these guys have families that they take care of and at the end of the day. It's the state that cuts that check. And they're not gonna feel like they've got a check coming in from just average people even though i think some people would step up to support them if they made the flip if they flipped actually supporting freedom turning against the state and like went and arrested politicians or something like that. Donate to that. At least at least you need to begin preparing the mentally thinking. Think about it that at the very least they'll keep it to themselves and when they see the tide is turning until the very last moment and turn on the oppressor remember. There's already sheriff's deputies. They're all around the country that are already stating publicly that. Hey we're not gonna follow you. Know the feds are the federal. Police are being forced to enforce These various dictates and the local police especially in the form of the county sheriff's because the sheriffs are elected and they can't be fired by the governor or whomever the state police can. They're already saying. Hey you know. Don't come around here because you're not welcome here and we're going to oppose you right up to the point where there are many counties. That says we're the sheriff said we're going to deputise every damn is in this entire county and arm them all if you try to come in here in boston around and that's what needs to be Followed through on and your for one one You know keep us posted when that. is Active in in being able to be used. Because what we need is more of those gatherings like you had you had one family and one infant in question. And i don't know how many people had showed up at that but that's what we need is a cellphone one to put out an alert. And then if if there are half a dozen or a dozen government officials oppressing a couple of citizens than a hundred of us show up and outnumber them and then when they thank you david. I did that on purpose. I mean he's basically describing the whole reason cell phone was invented in the first place and he's right on i mean he he was on a roll there but i agree with what he's saying. I mean that we've seen the the numbers work in our favor and you always work in your favor. And that's why. I think that just a couple Cops here and they're turning on the government and just staying cops and deciding to do what's right isn't really that's just like government solution like there are plenty of other jobs. They should just quit in not be cops. I would agree. Quinton become like a private security worker or something. Sure look at the threat. Defense center. i believe is what it's called in detroit for a great example of a privately run defense organization that you can hire to patrol your neighborhood to give you self self-defense. to do twenty four seven security. They've got different levels of service that they offer The people of detroit that they serve and they've been doing it for several years now at least maybe most of the last decade. I'm not sure when they were founded but garrett ian from freakin dot com went out there and actually met the owner of threat defense center. I believe he came to. I don't know if it was like pork. Fester liberty forum one year or something like that but i don't know how libertarian. The guy is but he's competing with the police. That's really also. I hope he's being successful. But i mean as they're still in business as people's rights dot org and so forth one have pointed out you know what we do need is a large number of people a glorified technologically capable neighborhood watch. It isn't about snitching to the police when something happens about helping one another when someone needs it. It's about instead of going to the thugs. We just give each other a helping hand. S a wonderful thing and i'm and bundy has proved that it works. Go ahead and it's definitely a solution for when the police are the ones oppressing you. You obviously can't go to them. Yeah ideally you could go to the sheriff but that's never how it actually works out. I apologize it's threat. Management center not threat defense center in case people were out there looking for it in detroit. Threats management center at management center very cool. Check it out so the financial pressures on humulus. An iheart make them unlikely to invest in the one thing that might save political talk radio local personalities. I agree. I think the best thing they could do to save talk radio would be to actually stop censoring people to actually created a platform that is known for being friendly to free speech. Lending people speak their actual opinions. We do that here we do. But we're one of the only ones do and we're not run. By cumulus and iheartradio. How many saintly hold on i want to give credit where credit's due. We are heard on cumulus in iheartmedia stations. So i mean they're not the majority of the stations that were heard on but we are heard on several of them. Sure so you know that's good we're not owned by them in the sense that you know and because cumulus was in the news recently for telling its talk show hosts that they were not allowed to say stop the steel on the air right and so that was like the first time in my history of working in radio where i've ever heard a corporation coming down and telling its talk show hosts that they cannot cover certain subject. That's pretty scary stuff. So it's been noted that sports talk. Radio has fared relatively well with hometown personalities. Yakking about local teams but hiring. Local host is an expensive proposition. rosenthal set. Am radio is an imminent danger unless someone comes along to invest enough to enable it to become a local medium again. Yeah i mean. I wish i could say i'm optimistic about the future of. Am radio. but i can't i mean i. I love broadcast radio. And i hope today. Am can stay relevant but it's day by day. It's getting harder and harder. 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Finding and six zero three two eight three sixty one sixty is the common number if you want to call in and talk about whatever is on your mind. It's been a great show. We've been talking about talk radio and how it's generally in a state of decline. But you think you have an idea of how it's going to adapt or evolve. What's going to happen next at the very least i don't know i mean i've got some predictions. Let's call them somewhat educated guesses. I've been in the business for a couple of decades now and but paid attention to what's been going on and and the the talk radio business and just radio in general has had a tough time over the last two decades since the internet became a competitor radio and broadcast television for a long time. Were the only game in town. Besides the newspaper right like if you wanted entertainment. That's where you went And then of course cable came in in the early nineteen eighties and more channels to the television experience but for the longest time radio didn't really have much in the way of competition. Satellite wasn't really a thing until the last twenty years right. Internet radio started in the late nineties. But it really wasn't a thing until later in the arts and so what changed for radio was all this competition came in. They thought the government was going to protect them from competition. That's what the licensing process does the right the government licensing process whether we're talking about being a restaurant or whether it's you know whatever other government licensed business keeps competition out and so radio. Big corporations thought they were just going to be able to rest easy by up a bunch of radio stations and just kick back and enjoy the money rolling in but internet changed the game and it made it so anybody with you. Know five bucks a month could go and sign up at live three sixty five or whatever i heard. They're still in business but some website and allow them to stream. Whatever music they want a two-day whoever's was willing to listen and there are thousands of internet streaming channels out there and this and i'm talking about before pandora and before you know spotify or whatever these apple music these sort of on demand services are out there so there have been competition to radio now for twenty years. They didn't expect to happen. And paying. licensing fees to the federal government isn't protecting them from it anymore so they're sort of stuck in a real difficult situation where the only thing that they can do and this article did reference it to stay relevant is to be local. Because that's the one thing they can do pretty well that like apple music. Do right like apple. Music is gonna feed your music. But they're not going to be able to tell you what's going on in downtown fill in the blank city. They're going to be able to tell you where the concerts are back when we had concerts a or whatever things are are happening. How depressing when we added concert right and maybe someday those things will happen again. Hopefully a but the point being. It's something that radio could do. But because of all the consolidation that happened in the nineteen ninety s where these big companies got bigger and bigger and bought up all these stations and subsequently went bankrupt. Well they can't do it because they don't have anyone left. I mean they were already cutting jobs in markets all across the united states year after year just because they have all this debt. These companies have these debt loads and they've got to cut their costs in order to deal with that so they don't have anyone left. It's gotten so bad. Like i call radio stations for for free talk. Live right like during the day And you've done some of this work with our but calling radio stations. You talked to program. Directors pitched the show to pitch freetalklive to them to get them to listen to it and consider it. Well it's harder now than it's ever been to get somebody on the phone. And i'm just talking about as secretary like calling up a radio station. One of these big corporate stations. Probably eight out of ten times. There's no one answering no one answering at all at all no no a year ago or so maybe two years ago. I don't remember exactly when it was possible to just about always reach a secretary. You couldn't get the programming director nine times out of ten. Well wait more or less frequently than that. That was a challenge back then. Now it's almost impossible so are they resorting to email now. I mean it's even difficult to reach these people via email. A lot of them are working from home and so emails going to reach him. But you don't get you know it's not the same as getting somebody to pick up a phone right. Is there anything that can save this system. Then so. I don't think that it's hard to say that a company like a iheartmedia or has any kind of a bright future. I mean they've already been bankrupt already. And so i don't know what the next i don't understand bankruptcy law and what all the different sections or or whatever but it's not good right when you go bankrupt so that's probably a bad sign. I think what you're gonna see is they're going to likely sell off a lot of their stations and that will probably result in more mom and pop owners of radio stations again and i think that'll be a good thing for local radio. I think that we may see radio. Have a comeback. Possibly you know if if if you can pick up a radio station at one. Fiftieth of what it would have cost you twenty years ago. Maybe it's worth doing. Sure maybe at a low enough price at the bottom of the barrel enough price which is what we may see happen over the next couple of years that we'll see some fresh ideas Come into radio. i'm just. This is optimism honestly for the for the business. I think that's the only way it's ever going to become local relevant against actually have a local owners. Come in and run this thing. And i think that. Will i think you kind of. We'll have to see that when these stations these big station groups have to liquidate their stations. Because that will be inevitable if they continue going bankrupt right. And i can't imagine attend think you're correct mom and pop places mama pops re buying. These stations is really the only way to proceed for it. I would rather see younger people you know. Yeah i don't think their ideas into it. And i don't think you're gonna see the thing they were talking about earlier where you could just hire somebody to do a show. I don't think that's gonna happen anymore. I think that if you wanna be on the radio you'll have to just do like we did on free. Talk live where we worked for free when we started the show. This was twenty years almost twenty years ago. Now where we said. Hey look just put us on. The air will do the show for free. We just want to be on the air right. And that's what i would expect as. Well yeah if you. There's no other way you're going to be able to do it. You will not have enough money coming into one of these operations to be able to hire staff so you'll have to truly find the people that love the art of broadcasting bring them on board and then tell them hey if you can sell some ads sell. Some ads split with split it with the station. And then everybody's happy. That's the only way it's going to work. That sounds plausible. I would love to see it. I hope so well. That's the end of that article. And there's not much left time to get into anything else of note. I've got an article here from abc. News just highlighting. How stupid people are in michigan. Men killed by a baby shower kenan because he was the explosion. I don't know what's wrong. With people between gender reveals burning thousands of acres of forest in california. What is a baby shower. Cannon is this is the thing it's like my friend just had one at her baby reveal. It's like a little thing with either bluer pink dustin it and they'll like shoot off at their gender revealed thing if it's blue dust. It's boy. I didn't think they could kill people. Don't stand in front of cannons too bad plan. What did he do. He was fatally injured when a cannon exploded a backyard during a baby shower because he was within fifteen feet of the device when the blast occurred. It doesn't say whether he was actually attending or whether he was next door but if he was within fifty feet. I tend to think that is a huge explosion. You've you've seen this in action. I'm just saying fifteen feet is huge. But i have seen it well. He was a hit by the explosion. He was killed by shrapnel. My god what did they load into this thing. Let's just doesn't sound like a little bit of glitter that's being shot into the air. If there's actual shrapnel did the cannon itself explode yes oh so something was wrong with the device itself and used frequently and hasn't been inspected or anything so just wore away overtime. God four or five people were in the backyard when the small cannon was fired but this guy was standing about ten to fifteen feet away and was the only person truck struck by shrapnel three parked cars and the garage where the baby shower was being held also struck oh so no he. He's just happened to be a backyard. Presumably not fist from the other property. The people who were there for the gender reveal also were not near the canon the canon fired by the homeowner as a family celebrating a babies pending arrival was similar to a signal cannon more commonly used. That's a novelty item. And that sounds like what you would have been referring to like. A hand held one. Because i just looked it up to try to show ian and they all looked hand held like a roman candle. Say this doesn't sound like it could be hand held. If it's exploding with shrapnel hills man i mean that seems unlikely. I know i'm laughing in. That's horrible but the the stupidity on display here. This guy bought the kennan. An auction had fired several times before. It's suspected that the shrapnel came from kenan breaking apart during the explosion is designed to create a big flash allow noise and create smoke the cannon did not contain any project house but is suspected that the gunpowder loaded into the device caused the candidate who fracture resulting in shrapnel being spread in the area so he bought a real cannon. Like not the type that i was talking about it all and just tried to put like some powder in it and killed someone. That's pretty much what it sounds like. 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Climate by no ready has taken steps to reverse trump administration actions from cancelling the keystone xl pipeline to rejoining the paris climate agreement c. n. n. reports six republicans joined all of their democratic colleagues tuesday to vote that the impeachment trial against former president. Donald trump is constitutional louisiana. Senator bill cassidy was the sole republican to switch his vote after an initial vote on constitutionality last week the fifty six to forty four five vote marked the closing chapter of tuesday's proceedings for the senate adjourned until noon today. She didn't reports all but six. Republican senators voted. The trial was unconstitutional. Because trump is no longer president. It's the second time. Such a vote was taken out. Senator rand paul e. kentucky republican forced to vote of the same question last month. A north dakota legislative committee has approved a measure that lgbtq advocates say unfairly targets. transgender athletes. Are mike morin reports bill. Supporters say. They don't want unfair competition in team sports this week. The house human services committee advanced a proposal that effectively bars public high school athletes who identify as transgender from participating in team sports. That don't align with the sex on their birth certificate. Bill sponsors say can especially protect female athletes. So they wouldn't have to face competition from athletes born males but brandy hardy of the north dakota human rights coalition says that argument is counterproductive. I think that it's agreed to stand behind. One movement to push forward hate towards another group of people. Similar legislation has surfaced and other states in recent years. The north dakota bell has amendments including removing language for college. Sports over concerns the law would result in regional schools losing out on hosting events under current rules. In north dakota transgender. Students are allowed to sign up for activities under their. Identifying gender was certain restrictions. This is p. Ns the california public utilities commission meets tomorrow to vote on contracts for more power generation to avoid a repeat of last summer's blackouts clean. Energy groups are saying it's unclear. How much energy we need. Because they feel the state's explanations for the outages are insufficient the california independent system operator known as caso blamed the blackouts primarily unaccessible heat breakdowns at power plants and software issues but loretta lynch former head of the california public. Utilities commission. Says there's more to the story. It may well be the defects. In california's electricity. 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He says the bill also would require carmakers to send more electric vehicles or ev's to virginia's auto dealers to encourage folks to buy electric low emission vehicles standards and zero emission vehicle standards are important aspect of making certain folks actually have access to these vehicles when they go out to buy a new or used vehicles so this is about making certain those vehicles are actually coming to virginia. Other bills passed. The house of the senate would provide an easy rebate program a grant fund to encourage virginia schools to replace diesel buses with electric ones and one to expand the state's ev charging infrastructure this by clifford from public news service member. A listener supported heard on radio stations. Big and small and online at public news service donowaki. Here's a look at weather from the haukeland news. Newsfeed weather center today. Cloudy and cold with a forty percent chance of snow accumulation between one and three inches high near nineteen tonight. Snowfall continues cloudy and windy with a low and fourteen. There is a thirty percent chance of continued snow thursday. Cloudy windy and cold heine twenty. That's the latest weather. Checkoff more news and weather on our website at heartland newsfeed dot com fair that gina game with the us at the end pain had eighteen. Randall had twelve and a game. Berg's had eleven rose second leading scorer on a team payton. Eighteen rose fourteen. I thought everybody played well. There was a great game. Miami somehow wins it. They were down eight in the fourth quarter with like five minutes to go and they still won the game. I mean the knicks just blew it. You're up eight late in the fourth. You've got to win the game yet. She gets to take the lead on the randall. Baseline step back. That mrs then you file and go to the make the free throws he makes one of two. You get a chance to tie or win and barad misses the lab. You gotta be kidding me. I mean you've gotta be kidding me. I can't even. I can't even watch. I gotta turn the channel. I can't even watch. I gotta move onto the game. Celtics jazzed getting set to go and salt lake. Shakers jazz laying five and a hook. I actually think. I got. I think on today's it opened it for today's show on coast to coast that could swarm. Avi i got. The celtics was six in jazz to win. So we'll see if that games as good as advertised on paper. It looks like you know game of the night. Plus you had the magic blazers getting set to go. Sixers kings the golden one in sac town. Pelicans blew out the rockets tonight. I hit that one. Thirty two one on one the nets lose pistons the pistons plus nine and then i hit the knicks and heat both ways right now. The warriors are up. Twelve on the spurs was seven left in the third. I got the warriors going in that game tonight. Good sharon marcus. 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You can can winning. And this is the sports radio network ferrallonthebench with you ready. We have was saying marcus. Johnson the philly enquirer this hour coming up here in something like thirteen minutes or something like that. Anyway we're going to get into everything for odell style. There's a lot to talk about with that city. I mean you got the carson wentz drama. You got a new head coach. Joe saturate hani the legendary guitarist. Now running the eagles. I'm hearing now in my ear. Serianni for mafia. Actually someone else entirely. I just thought saturday on anything which stick anyway Talk about the flyers. They've been pretty tough. There game got cancelled tonight but there Former gm ron hextall. Got the gm job in pittsburgh. Today of the penguins. I think it a undercover operation. Mafia to ruin the penguins franchise. I think that he is a frankly fire for life. And i know he worked with the kings and everything but and you know he ran the flyers for awhile and then i just think that like there's no any hates martin penguins in his career if you ask me and then like the flyers and penguins hate each other. It's just constant hate. It's been going on since i was in my mother's womb and then i just felt like one of the players in my lifetime that i hated more than anyone was ron. Hextall hated hated him. Like you have no idea. He like it'd be like you with the islanders right same kind of thing and then but i don't like them either come to think of it you know. There's two teams that have irritated me. Well actually three irradiated me the most one. I hated the flyers. Two handed the islanders because they always beat us in the playoffs and like double overtime hollick. Whatever overtime goal whatever it was and then the canadians. They always beat us in the playoffs so every time they faced the canadians staff camel larry last season. They did it again. Cam larry few years ago you remember when they beat them in the playoffs. And you had to pull me off the ledge on the gw bridge three hundred feet over the frozen hudson river. I was going to jump in and you've reached out of the car and saved my life. I can't stand any of teams. And then today. When i saw i got that guy's jan like i knew they were talking to him but i wanted to puke because i feel like he's a fascist and he's going to go in there and his mission is to he's like mission impossible mavi. I think he's actually destroy the organization one footage of him when they talked about making a trade that would have netted them three great player. He wouldn't do the deal because he's good. See that and then we can talk about the sixers. Would joel embiid tobias harris. And mr simmons and they got a big game tonight and sat town. Unless i'm mistaken. I just said they were playing them there. I went for the upset tonight with the kings. We'll see if they can handle. Joe joe but we'll talk to him in a few minutes either way celtics and jazz getting set to go. I have to tell you mafia that. I'm upset again tonight. I don't know if you knew this. But last night. I was upset because i know that i sat on the show. We did it on. Costa goes in on ferrallonthebench night. I talked about how troubling it was for me to see. Pedro gomez die. And you know it's weird. I didn't know him. But i felt like i did. Because he covered. Barry bonds when i covered barry bonds and he covered him in san francisco right and he covered at one point or another his career. The as the axe brothers and so he was always out there in the bay area. I was in the bay area. I knew he was. I didn't know him personally. We weren't like friends or anything literally. Ever but i said this last night i'm not gonna drag into it anymore. Other than to say you know fifty eight years old with four kids away. One of his kids is a minor league baseball player. In the red sox organization. I felt absolutely horrible for his family and friends and colleagues and people even at espn. They worked with them for so long and he was just such an unbelievable guy. I always liked his work. I thought he was unique in that he could speak different languages and he spoke to players languages. He got along with all the latin players. He was cuban His father brought him over to miami when he was literally in his mother's womb and then when when they got there like twenty days later she had the baby so he was born in miami. But his family's cuban and he went back there several times and reported on what it was like in havana and i just thought he was a fascinating guy. Reporting on baseball was a fantastic. He'd been to like twenty five world series things like this and he died at fifty eight hundred drop dead and i just you know. I'm fifty five years old. I you know the deal. I ball lot. I work out every day. Obsessed with you now. Frankly you know working out. I like to box and kick box and lift weights and swim and play basketball. That's what i do once in a while. I go golfing with mafia and watch him drink a case of paths blue ribbon in two hours he can drink the case and again i saw carbohydrate a twelve pack of bud light in in an hour in los angeles and i lived through them with their alcohol problems because i used to drink so much and i don't anymore instead of drinking i work out. Apparently that's the same thing. I drank as much as i work out. But i i take really good care of myself. You know and i guess when you start getting to be my age start thinking about stuff like that you got kids wife and blah blah blah life insurance all that stuff you know. See your kids go if you will. Some people want to see their kids go to college get married and then the normal stuff and i just cannot believe that i saw some guy fifty eight years old drop dead and i you know my mother died. When i was young. My father died a couple of years ago. And then i see this guy. Terrific taylor today and am i wrong mafia. He was a friend of ours. He's been on my show a bunch of times. he used to come on ferrallonthebench a lot. And what talking about the kansas city chiefs right when he was with the kansas city star. They're choosing admin all the time and then he went to. Yahoo was through the national thing. We had a monster. And it's like you said terribly it's one thing you see. Pedro gomez and he was young too young for him as well but then tarez pallor only thirty seven years old. And obviously we're not like in these guys lives no. We don't know them that closely. It'd be like oh well this was going on what wasn't going on but no for what both seem to be out of nowhere. They just pass away. Well before they should have is just crazy i like he does he thirty seven. I mean like. I'm way older than him right. And that just shouldn't happen as far as you know what i mean like the i know. You're thirty five. I i don't understand how and it's weird right like the good the good die young. Don young dantonio billy joel right so i just feel like it shouldn't happen. I just don't understand that like i. I've never been able to grasp losing my mom that a young age losing a lot of friends a lot of people i've seen a lot of people died and everything in my lifetime into a lot of funerals and i just hate it and i just cannot believe i watched this week. Two guys. fifty eight is young to me and thirty. Seven is just ridiculous. That guy should not be dead just crazy. Just just feel horrible for their family and friends and everybody my condolences. I knew i was on my show fifty times so i just feel terrible. Attention timeshare owners. This is an urgent consumer or from timeshare exit hotline a national company specializing in helping consumers legally get out of their expensive timeshare contracts. We're offering you away to legally get rid of your timeshare. 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I'm and so. I have to start with this. Did you know through your career. This taylor guy. 'cause we were i. We were just talking about him. I i'm he'd been on my show a ton of times over the years working with the kansas city star and then at yahoo like he was always like you know coming on. You know during football season every year. He just seemed like the greatest guy ever like. I never actually hung out with him. Did you ever gnome in all your travels covering the eagles and stuff like that. He's one of those guys that like everybody knew. And that's why he got the yahoo job because it was kinda like his game it was kinda like his life like you know like pedro gomez right from the right from espn. He's that guy everybody knew of. Everybody liked him. Everybody respected him. And that's why they rose. You know they were. He was so respected and more. It was more respect than like. I mean i. It sounds as though he was trying to get us. But it wasn't a kiss ass you know he was a good reporter and you know. I have connections in kansas city and they can't city Coaching staff loved dealing with though. So it's a big loss for our community. Yeah there's no doubt like i you know. I told the story earlier before you came on that. I didn't know pedro. But i followed him forever. And he worked in the bay area. When i lived there and worked there and covered bonds and i covered bonds and i knew bonds from my pittsburgh days and we didn't like each other. I told him what i thought of him a couple of times and he was best baseball player i ever saw but i told him right to his face what i thought of him because he treated people like us like crap and just like his dad did and then i was always around this guy but never really knew him and then when he when he dropped dead no offense i felt like it was just so sudden and horrible at fifty eight with a big family bunch of kids a kid in minor league baseball with the red sox i just felt so horrible for his family and colleagues i just thought it was devastating and then like a day later two days later this kid thirty seven drops dead out of nowhere. I'm just like i'm fifty five marcus. I'm freaking out. I'm like what is going on here. This is insanity. I couldn't even believe either one of the stories could you. Well no honestly and you know. Pedro the phillies for eight years and they were a pretty big deal and bonds was a pretty big deal. I mean i remember. One time i went into the the key the giants clubhouse and you know bonds had the big recliner in the end of the clubhouse and whatnot and billy wagner had just been traded to phillies urban Phillies and. I wanted to ask barry about you. Know facing A big left hand a left-hander with one hundred mile. An hour fastball and berry was being such an idiot with his trainer there. Pedro actually reprimanded and it was myself and mld dot com guy berry his trainer and pedro was there and he just like buried. That's not appropriate. I mean come on just walked away very didn't do a nicer you know. But he had It's funny even pedro. That is Has breaking point with barry bonds. I mean because berries jerked and it's so funny to me. Because i knew him really well after covered him. So many years in pittsburgh and san francisco that like me. Okay like i may not be. This may not be that. I may be you know whatever you can call me wherever you want all. Although everyone knows. I'm cool and i'm i'm not a deed of people and i treat everyone like i wanted to be treated in life and i get along with people and i support people and i've never been really a jerk to people that i can recall. I may be everything else. But i never. I'm not putting up with it like so. You wanna treat me that way. I don't care who you are all right in front of your face. I'll throw something at you and i did. I got into it with him. They threw me out of the clubhouse multiple times. Because i had run ins with bonds but that guy that pedro gomez guy was like the night sky ever like like you sent from heaven and there was nothing worse to me than being around bonds. And you know it's funny. After his baseball life this whole act is trying to be nice and riding bikes and being nice to people is so funny because he and his dad were both just complete a holes to everyone their whole life. That's all there is to it. They hate to media. You cannot change your colors after you're done playing but that guy. That guy pedro gamez. Was there anyone nicer ever like. When a guy went back cuban was doing stories about havana. I was like crying. I mean you know what i mean. He had that ability. He was very authentic very real. And that's one of the reasons people respect to him so much and you know as well as i do. There's no beat more grueling than the baseball the because you're just gone all the time and every single day and sixteen hours you know and to be able to have that sort of demeanor every single day that pedro had it's just You know like you said. It's it's something angelic it's something heavenly. How old are you now. Marcus fifty two right. So i got three years on you. I'm double nickels. So that stuff scares me and i was telling audience. I i really. I work out a lot of a lot of all. You know me better on the show a million times. I worry about that stuff. I see guys like that. His age or pedro's age dropping dead. I just because they just died out of nowhere. It wasn't like they were sick or something or had any kind of maladies. I just feel like no one's even saying what happened. They just died quickly. And i've been around that with my mom and my dad. Diana been around a lot of friends that have died and it just kind of creeps me out. I just feel awful today with all the stuff. That's been going on sunday and today it's me out i have to ask you. Let's get onto something else. Now no offense. I didn't wanna bummed me out. But i knew you know. I knew i knew you weren't around these guys because you've had a long storied career and people know you and you had to have met him so. I figured i'd at least ask your opinion. So so i haven't conspiracy theory ellen. Throw your way i believe. And you'll say i'm drunk or something. I believe that ron hextall was hired by the penguins to go in and destroy my hockey team. Like is there anyone on earth that hates the penguins more than the flyers. Or ron hextall. I've never hated anyone. More than i've aided ron hextall and billy smith okay so dead. I hate him dead. And i literally hate him dead and like he got the job running my five time stanley cup champion venues today and i think he's there to break up the team ruin a team traded away all their draft picks all their good players poison. I think he'll poison guinea malkin poison. Like like like your boy. Putin putin poisoned that they got him in prison. They're going to kill him. That's what i believe. Ron hextall has been hard to do. A secret mission from god from philadelphia to destroy ocoee franchise. It's gotta be happening right now. it's probably already started. He's probably already started spiking their food. Well this there's no love love. Lost between ron hextall and flyers. 'cause the flyers. The flyers asked him to rebuild their team from the ground up. He did it right. However he wouldn't fire dave hacksaw. The college turned pro coach. And he wouldn't bring taylor. Bob carter heart in time so they fired him. Ron hextall will never forgive them for that. If you want someone to rebuild the penguin and build them to beat a specific team like the fires ron hextall will sell his kidney. Do get that done. Their hextall despite is the penguins. The the the philadelphia fires couldn't pay. Ron hextall enough to help the philadelphia flyers at this point so ron hextall is penguin nation. He's pittsburgh through right now. The he's earned coat like benedict carl. He's he's the best guy could have the best guys you have. The is not easy. he's on your side. Trust me yeah. I i remember. They got fired and fill it up. They asked the day he got fired. Philadelphia flyers are pretty classy. They rented him a hotel room or hotel conference room across the street from the flyers skate zone so he could hold a press conference with real for us. They couldn't have this press conference at the flyers skates on. They've they've they rented him a conference room and gave him a pr guy. Have a sort of farewell press conference and after the press conference. He was just. He felt so betrayed and he will work. 'cause his dying breath to for retribution against the team that he wants love. Wow that is crazy. Because i think he's satan. And i just couldn't believe like i knew that i knew that he was gonna interviewing and he had a second interview when they start talking about second interviews in the nhl with all wight old man old. You know recycled bottle. Water these guys. Get jobs like brian burke. He got the president of hockey ops job. He's sixty six guys. Had fifteen jobs. I mean you couldn't get rid of him. If he'd died he'd literally come back from the dead and run five more teams. But when i saw ron hextall had a second interview i was like. Oh no oh no. 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I don't care if you run. A you know the boston marathon. Don't tell me that anyone was better than allen. Iverson okay. i don't wanna eric. I will go to my grave thinking he was the most exciting toothpick skinny ankle breaking bucket making bad ass buck fifty soaking wet and would absolutely take michael jordan and wearing out his jockstrap with his moves and took. The sixers did a finals on his back which he could barely carry a lunch bucket to school when he was a little kid is so skinny. And little and that guy. I think kyrie irvings great. I think he's awesome. I think he's incredible when he plays today's a month. But no one is better than allen. Iverson i just wanted to say that because you're in philly. I'm not having it. He was my favorite player. That guy was a freak from high school. Georgetown all the way to the sixers. Are you kidding me. I don't even care where he played still. He'd better today. He played it all drunk. Yeah almaz exciting. to watch. car is twice the basketball player. Alan iverson is so you better career so much better than alan iverson. And i covered every every year about in philadelphia and it was fun to why you know right now. I cannot believe you sided with these communists. These fascists. what you go to. Dinner with steve nash. You hanging out him now. Let's liberal person in america and canada. Listen you you. here's what happened. Here's a happen you. You're rooting for some guy. I think he's a great player to the guy that shows up for work. One one day a month place to a month takes more vacations than howard stern. I mean your boy honestly in high by flat. Don't forget about things. The world's howard taught me how to take vacations. I respect his vacation schedule by the way but that guy. I'm sorry now you so you must not elect iverson. When he played there. was that it. No you like both. You could think both are great. I mean both are going to be in the hall of fame. Car irving is just a wonderful wonderful player Allen might be a better athlete than kyri because he's got the kyri has more skilled better shooting better finishing better passing basketball player. And let's be honest allen. You're a good basketball player. You know that allen had serious deficiencies in his game to the degree that he couldn't play point guard late in his career. You know all had to do was bring the ball up. Indiscriminate properly couldn't do it so what will what will will will kyri irving do late in his career. Besides not play. He won't even show up. He won't even that guy in last five he won't even last five more years in the nba. He's gonna be he's gonna turn around a church or something you might. You might be right. But he's got a ring. Yeah well philly would've ever given iverson any players. He would have won more rings. Well with the guy won't give the ball back up the nobody ever wanted to play with that guy. Why because he was he does he put on a show every night. No you never gave the ball back. That's why i trust me. I love watching. Alan iverson but alan iverson play winning basketball play perfect basketball. You know but i. I respect steve nashes opinion. Because you know another guy with a jacket right fair enough but do you think that it helped at all that Kyrie irving god his ring Playing with lebron james. Who did iverson i allen needed help. There's no doubt but you have to be able to accept the help people have the to play with you. Nobody wanted to play on. Alan iverson seen. You couldn't pay him enough. Let you literally couldn't pay it up a good player enough to play with alan iverson paul. How homeless had that happened to him. You know sacrilege. I can't believe this stuff coming out of your mouth. It's it's sacrilege. it should be. There should be a police at your door. You should be taken in for questioning immediately. They should show up with a warrant at your house right now. Can't even believe this to me frozen. Blasphemy especially in philly right last philadelphia. Can you believe this guy mafia. Can you even believe it i. I don't know what to do now. I feel like. I just got a flat tire on a highway. And i'm in texas and arizona. The nearest town is four hundred miles away. Let me ask you so now. Now that you are a communist now that you have Nerve you've rattled me is what you've done you've ruined my night now. I don't like not. I'll tell you what i think irving's incredible to. I won't deny that. I think he's incredible. But i don't know i'd rather see you know. Drunken alan iverson wasted showing up and playing with a hangover than the guy that never shows up for work and takes off weeks at a time because he needs to talk to jesus or whatever he's doing. I'm telling you that bothers me. I don't know anyone that does that to their teammates. I need a break up. Break up what lake. you're worried about. Covid everyone's worried about kobe. Worried about the world changing the world. Everybody's changing in the world and worried about showing you make thirty five million show up and play ball. That's all. I know that iverson that never played. You didn't practice. Who cares about practice. Hey so is joe. Joe simmons tobias. I think to buy a suspend the difference for me in that when when they got him i never thought he did anything other than get his average eighteen to twenty and night or whatever but now i think i've noticed that he finally in whatever it is year three or something. I could be wrong. I think he's taken his game to another level and he's added that piece that they wanted all along that can produce at a high level with those other guys instead of just watching them produce while you're right things that he does better now is when joel embiid goes out of the game. He's able to create his own shot off the dribble and get open and produce he. He's a good secondary scorer both from the perimeter and from the post depending on the matchups other thing that i think we'll see manifest itself as we go along the season is he's much better one on one defensively and with his defensive positioning. And that's something you gotta learn. You know. I i credit brett brown a lot with the fact that joel embiid and simmons and now tobias harris understand advanced defensive concept team defensive concepts and are applying them. It's not like doc rivers taught these guys how to play defense and six weeks or whatever this is the this is the vestige of brett brown and his assistant so yes tobias took a big step forward this season. We'll see how far it can go when team started couldn't treating him like a chris middleton and really try to start locking him down you know. Yeah so do you think And i i still want to ask you about but do you think doc has made a difference at all since he's been there. Yeah joel and ben respect dock more than they respected brett brown and with this generation of athletes. That's incredibly important. Especially since joel. And ben have huge deficiencies remaining in their games and that's not a criticism. They're both relatively new to what they're being asked to. Joel two b. basketball player in general. He didn't start playing until nine years ago. And then to be a point guard having been a kind of a point forward most of his career but yes the respect for doc rivers makes a huge difference with those players. What did you think when they The eagles higher joe saturday on the legendary guitarist to be their head football coach gregg. You said that. Every time. I see his name. I think about joe satra. I've actually written nick satriano a couple of times and deleted it Knicks giuliani is. You know. I feel sorry for him. He's he's inheriting a horrible situation in that his best players are old is young players aren't talented. His ownership the his owner and his general manager are irrational at this point and they have huge salary. Cap problems yeah. He's just he's a horrible situation. And i don't think he's built for you. Know i grew up in new york state. I know jamestown new york. It ain't philadelphia indianapolis ain't philadelphia. You know so. I don't know that he's built for this town and this job. Yeah i believe me. I went on tv. And i said to adam. Kaplan you know adam. I said that guy is in over his head that and that initial press conference. I don't care what anybody says. That was all you need to know that. He's in for nightmare on his. He is gonna they're gonna. Edm alive there in philly. So what are they gonna do with wins. Because i think it's the call. It's the bears are over here like saying that the the eagles are ridiculous. What they want as he getting traded this week. I don't think he's gonna get traded this week. I think the eagles hoped that one of the teams in play including the colts and the bears. Those are the teams we know about. But i think there are a couple of other teams. That are interested. I think they thought okay before everybody else comes on the market. Let's see what we can get. The big deal is there's a ten million dollar roster bonus carson is due early march that i think the talks heat up and that's what i think. The eagles decide. Are we just going to cut bait. Or are we gonna try to call carson's book because everybody's talking about carson wants to leave. What's he gonna do. you know. take the year off. take two years off. The eagles are if he does. You've got the past you know he's just i mean they they can play what is called mexican standoff. There is no there is there is no reason for them to blake. You know understand. I don't understand the leverage carson. Thinks he has if they if he thinks they're gonna pay thirty four million dollars. Which is their cabinet for a fourth round draft. Pick and a backup linebacker. He's crazy you know and bend over backwards to do everything or him even before he got drafted. They hired a coaching staff to develop whatever quarterback they drafted into them. Sixteen with him in mind though he can't they're not great at it but they've done everything they can to accommodate and weaponized him if he doesn't appreciate it he doesn't like it if i'm them i'm just like okay. We'll see you in. We'll see you in july or we won't you know it's your paycheck. Come get it. Wow that's crazy. I got a a minute respectively. Phillies going to be any good. No no. they're not going to be any good. The rest of the east and the national league going to be great. I mean they are a normal philly. This vilis rostrum normally would be a ninety one team in this division. There eighty win team. Wow eighty wins and then got his fourteen milk clean per year. So i don't believe you. I'm not even i'm gonna toss and turn all night. You set all those. Just horrible things about alan iverson. Honestly like i hope you know honestly i e coli i. I'm going to stay away from salads. And i love you marcus. I love you bro. You the vast. I always enjoy having you on his show. You grabbed me out great stuff. I'll catch again real soon. Dude all the best round me man. I talk to you later. My man marcus says the philadelphia inquirer great guy in great writer Check out his stuff. And i can't believe the knife in my chest right now. Mafia talking about a. I like that. Have you written a book. You can become a published author with durins publishing. 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I get so upset about that. Mafia you know that drives me nuts. Wasn't i in music prison last week or the last two weeks started getting all kinds of musicals like we see them up when we started leaving lack freaky pete knicks. I just wanted to say that. I've been breaking rules my whole life and i've had a lot of fun doing it and i'm going to continue to do it until they finally disarray me from this earth so i keep trying to watch the saint. John's game down sixty four sixty. Three two butler. I've turned this game on nine times and it's in a commercial is the deal. Oh it's finally on. They had fifteen minutes of commercial is in the middle of the game. Three minutes left. I mean that was the longest television commercial break. I've ever seen in my life for a basketball game. my god. How can you be as hot as saint. John's has been mafia as hot as all get out and they can't beat butler. I mean butlers. Been horrible. they're up three on saint john's now to forty left. I can't believe that the janis have been on fire. And then you go there. I told you today on because he goes. I'm like go to hang call you'll lose. Let's say it doesn't matter if they were to and twenty. They'll beat anybody in that jim. There's something about the field. How's that places haunted haunted house. Mafia knows there's ghosts that the hinkle fieldhouse they're gonna play. Nc double a. tournament games there. You're gonna see all kinds of big upsets in that building because it's run by ghosts. Paranormal bobby knows. It's true people. Marcus hayes targeted iverson. Could you believe he talks. Bad about alan iverson. One person that upbringing watch him. He's free it's ferrallonthebench sports fans. This is editor check out my show orphan sports byline sunday each and every sunday eight. Am to ten. Am pacific time on door on sports. On the sports byline you were saying and sports byline dot com. You're listening to ferrall on the bench. 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They believe in or stand up for sunday. Believe doesn't everyone have something going on in their life but they still go to work. You know it's funny. You know me you've nami seventeen years you've seen me go to you can count on one hand. The amount shows. I'd missed on one hand and i'm just telling you like all this talk and i i love marcus hayes. He can say whatever he wants. And i still love him. That he doesn't think everson's better than kyrie irving but the reality is he basically said no one likes him and everyone hated playing with him because he's a ball hog but the reality is in my opinion like numbers. Don't lie everything in the nba is about numbers in rings. And i get that he wanted ring. And i just said it simply add lebron james down iberson never had anything he never had anybody and the bottom line is is that his numbers are so staggeringly higher than kyrie irvings. It's not even funny. I mean kyrie irving has never once gone over thirty points for you know a season like averaged over thirty points. He's never done it so his best season ever twenty five points whatever. Seventeen in college none of never wants iverson beat him in every level college and pro every level every season. What do you think all with you. I think is definitely a more talented player in physically gets it. Probably but i worked hard of the guy would not let anybody beat him because every game and he played every game it was like watching a voodoo doll with all the injuries. The guy would have. They'd played every game everywhere guys. Let's wake people talk about people. Hate him. I think more people hate irving we'll come back and talk about. You're listening to ferrall on the bench here on sports overnight. America here's an important covid nineteen school system update for your local area. If you're concerned about your child's education please pay close attention to this message. 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Thousand four hundred forty minutes eighty six thousand four hundred seconds and we still have trouble squeezing all this glorious sweeping list this sports grid radio network all right so Six foot one hundred sixty five pounds soaking wet fourteen seasons in the end the shooting point guard eleven time. Nba all star was the all star game. Mvp in two thousand one or two thousand five and in two thousand one he was the mvp of the league and he's in the hall of fame and everybody knows he partied. He drank like a fish. The whole deal. And all i know is and i know that after the sixers nuggets pistons grizzlies. It all was kind of a slippery slope down after that. But in philly in philly for me to time like i said. Mvp or the all star game three time all nba first team three time all nba team. All nba team wants rugged here nba first team nba rookie game heavy vp four-time nba scoring champ four times three time nba steals leader. His numbers retired. He was an all american. Georgetown first team all big east. Second team all big east. Two-time time biggies defensive player of the year biggies rookie of the year and a parade. All american twenty four thousand three hundred and sixty eight points. Three three hundred ninety four boards. Five thousand six hundred and twenty four times bronze in athens. I was there when they failed to win the gold medal in athens. I went with my dad to the athens olympics. I went to see basketball soccer. The whole deal dragon field. Boxing still gambling win it. But i'm just saying like i don't have a i mean that's just crazy right like you can't even i mean what are you going to say about that like. I don't even understand how you could. Even i get it. I understand you know what i think. Mafia is is that it's because he's playing now and he's in your vision. He's on your tv. He's in your life you see him on. Espn you see him. You know we certainly see him a lot around here in new york because he's on tv every night playing basketball when he shows up but he was rookie of the year. Slide about cavs first overall pick in the twenty eleven draft six time all star two time. All india won the championship with the cavs in twenty sixteen. Whenever it was. And i won't deny the guys impressive six time. Nba all star nba all star game. Mvp wants iverson. Did it twice all nba second team. All nba. Thirteen not not first team. Nba first team at second and third. He won the three point contest and twenty thirteen. Usa basketball male athlete of the year. Whatever that is feeble world cup. Mvp in two thousand fourteen. I will say this. He won gold in rio. So that's impressive. You know. I'm just telling you like you can talk all you want career twenty two four way less than i mean. Let's face it. Five points huge and then playoff averaged twenty three. It's also under iverson college under iverson. I mean it's all about i get it though. Give him the ring and they'll as better because he's got a ring. That's like saying dan marino sox. Alan iverson never played with anybody. That's just all there is to it and you play with lebron james it. His prime look what happened. The guy went to eight straight finals. I and kyrie irving played with him and one a title and then he couldn't get away from him fast enough. So was it the other way around. They couldn't deal with him then. He went to boston that workout. Now he's in brooklyn work out when they got harden what everybody say mafia they said. How's he going to be able to get along with kyrie irving who's a complete ball hog and it's like marcus said that iverson's a ball hog. What does that make kyrie irving. I mean honestly. I mean i could sit here all day and argue with anybody. And here's another thing in my opinion. And i've said this every time someone asks about it is that iverson there was no one. No one at all could guard him including michael jordan. And that's all there is to it and then fair enough that that people think kyrie's better like steve nash. I get it. But i never saw kyrie irving light up michael jordan. And who did he light up. I mean who did he light up like. Who's better than michael jordan that he's played with. Besides lebron james right you tell me who's better who who's better in terms of who's better than lebron james and the nba. Right now in terms of like that that he's lit up you know when he played they beat they beat the warriors right on his shot. I'll give him natty a game. Winning shot to win the nba title on a team with lebron james. Do you think that kyrie irving could have beaten the warriors without lebron james blocking that shot on the glass and come back from three one down. Do you think they came back from three one down. Because a hammer lebron james poodle and look at the play before that that shot that he got was bronco. Chase block are the ones that shot that he took matter right. So that's my point. I just said same thing. So my point is is who is he broke down. That's better than michael jordan. Who's he broke down as have you ever even seen him breakdown. Lebron james not because he played in boston so did when when he was playing in. Miami was kyrie irving breaking him down. They'll go with the curry county championship. Team yeah you got that right. You got that right. So do you understand where. I'm coming from in this argument. That and i think he said an and like i said i'll say it again for the fifteenth time. I love marcus. This is not about marcus. I can understand why he doesn't like him He was in philly probably turned up. Who knows turned off by him. Whatever but my point is is that i'm always talking about it. Like people always are trying to sell me that this guy's better than that guy because he's no longer in existence he doesn't play he's not on your mind he's not on your tv. You know after he got done playing. He drank himself to death. Nearly whatever you've seen him like i'm surprised. Made it to the hall of fame to get inducted right. But i thought it was great that he did. We all know. He's been a mass. We all know he lost everything and then you know when he turns whatever what is it what he turns is fifty or sixty gets all that money like thirty. Five million from reebok. Bottom line is bottom line. Is the reason why you think kyrie irvings better. Because he's you know he's in the now he's in the news. He's on the nets plan with harden and durant and. I think i'll be honest with you. I didn't kyrie's phenomenal. do i also think harden and durant or both better than i think he's great and i think they're better so you allow me as the leader. Riff china sea ice started riffing and then bottom line is is that he plays when when when harden came that team via everybody said how will they be able to. How will kyrie irving be able to play with harden. Because he's such a ball hog about kyri along with no one. That was the big things that they could get along. The bron can go along with. The this young stars in boston then came to brooklyn was causes stuff uneven play last she was like hey known. Go the bubble. Everyone stood out even when he wasn't playing. He didn't wanna play so always problems. So in your mind seriously. And i think i asked you this already. I gotta hear it again. Who do you think's a better player. Iverson or irving irving has morale. But i'll take it every day because he's going to play his ass off it. He's gonna make you win or exactly. Do your part that's beautiful mafia. More by the minute by the minute. I like you more when we come back. I'll tell you what's happening in these college. And pro games you love. Your dog is something bothering him or her. And you can't figure out what it is. 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Turn the ball over on a pass down from the top of the free. Throw line two down low into the block and the guy it went off of his hands and he lost the ball out of bounds and then the wrath called it butler ball. It was like the worst call. I've seen in a month. In any sport it was so bad and they had to reverse because the ramp was so corrupt. Mavi you saw that play in real time that butterball the guy the ball went off and this guys and so bad. It was inviting now. That look like a foul to me when he drove the basket. And if imagine that an and one the basket. That was my idea. Because i didn't think that Butler is gonna let him shoot a three. They'd foul him and make him shoot. Free throws down three right. But i like the idea of driving to the ten because i think is are so stupid. When they're playing they wanna to defend that drive so a guide right. There defended him. You saw to play followed him all the way to the basket and fouled the crap out of him and then they didn't call the file they just called a loose ball that went out of bounds. Still john's ball. You cannot tell me. Mafia foul on the guy at the basket for butler. You can't tell me that wasn't a foul clean. Because his arms up he never reached vote. He's moving with them. I call clean foul when he drove on that guy. I don't think he played good. Deeds kept his hands. Straight up never reached us the thing you keep them up your straight and you're okay. Why don't you reach into their spaces where they nail you yeah. I don't believe that that whole role of that whole rule of keep your hands up and they'll never call the fallon you. They still call the foul with your hands. Air ninety percent of the time do because roast were guys in the nba. Up straight up all the time and they still get called for the foul and then when the rebels would like i got my hands straight up in here and they still call them 'cause rap sock in college and pro but i thought he drove there and got fouled and got no love at all and then they got the call with the loose ball so now they've got like seven seconds to get at three off or to drive that attend and get fouled and get an an one day. I think now butler knows that they tried to drive and get the foul and they're not going to succeed at that again. I think now they need to get an in fake three pass to someone for three and get a clean look often shoot it. And hopefully china game. Here's the inbounds they go cross-court deep shoddy bricks. It they still got a loose ball. Shoot it up in the air. Air ball game over there. You go game over. That was horrible. What a horrible possession. For saint johns they lose seventy seven seconds. Why they got through the court pass. You didn't have to take that shot. It could take a dribble got space. And that shot. He wasn't on balance borsa went out. That was terrible. I thought it was a terrible shot to. I thought it was terrible. Possession altogether so there you go saint. John's loses that's a. That's a bad bet right there tonight but i hit everything else. I hit west. Virginia beating texas tack in lubbock. How about that. They were getting like five to many points. So mattis largest tell you what happened in college. Basketball butler wins. Seventy six. seventy. Three notre dame beat duke ninety eighty nine duke. Officially on the suck. Watch arkansas eighty one. Eighty over kentucky. They were getting one or one and a half when we were on coast to coast today. It went from arkansas being favored elaine. One to getting one and a half dayton lost. I went with date and vcu every six sixty seven. I did save these us better. But they're planning. I think they can give them a game and they didn't not much one anyway. Same bonnie by thirteen over lasalle. I think that number was thirteen. I pushed alabama beat south carolina. But they didn't cover. They were laying five. I think they won. By three eighty one seventy eight syracuse winning in raleigh against nc state seventy seven sixty eight. They were getting one I gave you a michigan state. They wanted they didn't cover the two hundred six they lose. They win by two so the hook. Be your bad beat. Their can state. I picked seventy one sixty seven. I just want to look at that number again. I have it right here. i looked at it. Today can stay was a straight pick when i Got him on fan. Duel taxes one. They didn't cover against kansas state. They were laying fifteen. They won by three. That's embarrassing auburn. Won by six. They were laying five and a half. I lost by hook there as well. I hit west. Virginia spread eighty to seventy one texas tack creighton. I hit blowing out georgetown tonight. Land six and sixty three forty eight and wins by f- three. They were laying five and a half. They didn't cover either everything else was postponed. Nba right now early in the third. Utah leads boston. Fifty three fifty two good game on. Tnt the blazers are up sixty to forty nine on the magic with about nine minutes. Left in the third sixers trail the king. Six and a half left in the third eighty one. Seventy six kings are leading the golden one in town. I went with the king's blazers jazz to win. Celtics to cover games. Blazers elated kings. I was getting four. I think it went to five it or something like that and then i hit the heat to win. Next plus seven. I hit the pistons plus nine against the nets. Hit the pelicans to win and laying at a look at that number. The pelicans line was four. They win by twenty nine. They blow out the rockets and the warriors i was getting one and a half and they one big one fourteen ninety one over the spurs and now as avi after losing to the spurs last night by four and in this one curry as thirty two and lights up. Did you see curry shot. His backward shot is flick up off the glass. Not facing the basket looking the other way flicked one over his shoulder and it went in. Did you see that shot. Mafia or did see that i was insane. I mean sometimes the way these guys have got insane awareness of where. The basket is incredible. Like you made we do that. That's going over. The backward into the fan stands at anywhere you know people would have been even though no one's there now it's not goes in the net. He was eleven twenty from the floor. Four of ten from downtown four boards two times and did all that with just one foul so impressive performance by mr curry this evening. In the pelicans win. And i've been talking about this team. They're playing well all of a sudden or one game under five hundred and that game scientists twenty and five seven times five boards seven ingram twenty two five and three lonzo had fifteen six three and three threes ingram three threes bledsoe to threes. How about a josh. Hart with a twenty spot. Tonight and seventeen rebounds. Jesus josh are twenty points. Seventeen rebounds three times. That's a hell of a game right. There gomez a fourteen ten to double double mafia loves the double double pelicans on fire all of a sudden in the pistons win over the nets. The nets have lost three in a row. Your boy steve. Nash who says earnings better than alan iverson hall of famer. He said that it's a question of basically do they have enough desire and a pride. Today they have enough gumption to go out and and want to win games and the will to win apparently not and then kyrie irving said. We worked too hard to lose all these games. Apparently you're not working hard enough. He had twenty seven tonight hard. Twenty four and twelve dimes. The double double mafia loves the double double and then I mean that was it for them but the other side. Jeremy granted thirty two. He lit it up for threes. Eleven of nineteen four five boards. Four pistons win. I was getting nine in that. I told you the heat win the game. All the matter to me was watching de rose go for fourteen with three assess a steel and a block shot. I thought he was incredible. And then for the heat butler had twenty six. All and twenty including six of eight from downtown tyler. Hero had a fifteen spot. He'd beat him again. What does that three straight over the next. And then now it's kings eighty one eighty over the sixers five and a half left in the third blazers sixty seven fifty one of agic seven left in the third and this game is fifty five eighty four jazz nine forty four left in the third so there you go and then As far as hockey goes tonight chats and flames in a good one in forever berta two in the second with a minute and a half left vegas up for one with a minute of the second over. The ducks sharks. In king's attitude tattoos. I hit the panthers to over the red wings. Adp oilers three two over the senators. The lightning pounced on the predators. I went with the upset with the predators onion. Pick tonight and got burned again. Ten to two and goals last two nights by the lightning over the predators. The blackhawks beat the stars. I lost that in Time and we told you the story today was Ron hextall gets the penguins. Gm job and brian burke gets the president of hockey operations. Job at sixty six to run the penguins. 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I think there was a point. Where did they all the balls. Were flying out of the products that they wouldn't admit that the ball's tighter and that they acted like they were normal and everything was kosher and there was no problem at all and they weren't doing anything to the baseball's wasn't that pretty much the case today ever admit to remember you're telling me. They admitted that they made him fly out. Not never the. They said it was a same ball. Not the new. And i don't know what you're talking about. It's just maybe it's just the way things are going to the bats so the players. They never admitted their doctor. The bully everyone knew was real so game is played now right all they talk about is launch angle and you know the speed of the ball off of the bad and you know all these analytic terminology diaz and they show all this stuff when you're watching a game. They got all these graphics where they show the ball leaving the bat and now it flies and at what speed and everything else now. And i just think it's just stupid. I mean i guess fair enough. I'll never i'll never understand. I get do they do that for some reason. The younger generation or something. Do they actually believe that young kids are. Let's say between the ages of. I don't wanna use the eighteen to thirty four analogy. Because i know i have. I have a sixteen year old a thirteen year old and the sixteen year old likes baseball and he likes you know the game and and i don't i don't actually believe he sits around studying launch angles and bats speed in the ball leaving the bat. At what speed. And whatever the hell else is there any other terms. I'm missing your mafia with the baseball. What they do now at home runs. They have all these different courses of million terms. I can't even keep track of them. All i mean they makeup terms every day for different things are now tracking are calculating. It's ridiculous anyway. So now they literally they talk about the bounciness of the ball and everything else and you know the new ball not dimension humidors. They talk about the where they keep the balls and you know i it just. It's just the craziest thing right anyway. So launch angles and all the and all the stuff this analytics. It drives me nuts. Like it's simple for me. I pitched the ball hit the ball. Hit a home run. Catch the ball steal the base hit. The runner overheard get ahead and drive in the run score. More runs the other team win the game. Close the game. I bring any reliever closed the game. Now we talk about all these stats and all this these angles and all this other stuff the speed of the ball and coming off the bad and how high when how far when everything else and it's because the boss reduced they never wanted to admit it but you know if it and here's why i am convinced that they were juiced first of all more home runs than ever right just absolutely more home runs than ever when you watch baseball now. There are more home runs than there are hits. There's more home runs now than anything. Singles doubles triples. There's more home runs. There's probably more author is in baseball. Nowadays you know it's true off. Its strike outs and home runs. that's all. Is you guys. Go up to the plate and they swing away and they either strike out or they hit a home run hit four. That was obvious right there that that was a home run and then i feel like When you watch the game now you all you see a strike outs in home runs. And there's bag cut. The deadly waited. That one recognized ex-girlfriend across the bar that was actually the reds announcer. That got fired last year. Then my next depressing direct for your debut on is gonna be brought myers that show still on. I think it is isn't it I think last season was the last season the one that they had in the pandemic but that was brought by. Yes you boy. Hankers air back. I like that guy so anyway I think the product game recognize game. Here we go game game. I can't even do it anymore. All i know is is that game recognizes game now. I think that when you watch the game now all you see his home runs and strike. Outs it sucks. You want to know. Why baseball socks. There's your reason right there. And i agree with anyone that mrs you know. Budding the runner over hit and run. You know in the gap hit hit down the line. Hot corner smash the ball. Past the third baseman or the first baseman gopher to stealing bases ricky henderson louvre. Lock defense with guys like ozzie smith. I still think you see defense in baseball. And it's typically guys making catch at the law because there's home runs flying out and the balls flying out every game. Multiple home runs every game. And then you've got guys jumping over the fence and making catches but turning double plays and you know all the little nuances baseball to me or gone. Because of baseball juicing the balls and believing that chick stick the long ball and buying into that all people care about. Is the home run because they put on there stupid ass home. Run derby every year at the all-star week which is essentially akin to standing in line at disneyworld all day in paying five thousand dollars to do it like i don't want to stand in line all day. Doing anything mafia knows. I will not stand in line anywhere. i'm not going to the dmv either. I'm not doing it. i just won't do it. I'd rather i'd rather drive illegally. Then stand in line all day at some dmv. Some backward asked government run office that is pathetic every state everywhere you go. It's the worst. Well it's the same thing as baseball. It's so bad. And then they they won't admit that they Juice the balls and you know now you know they juice the balls because it's pretty simple if he asked me they never admitted they juice the balls which they did but now you know that just because they're changing the balls so they add to have changed them before. Does that make sense. Mafia if if you can change them now and dead in them and make them Fly shorter distances. Which is what they're saying. The ball is not going to travel. As far it's deadened it's going to be caught by the outfielder it. You're gonna have to really hit it now actually to hit a home run because now in baseball you have to do a swing make contact and it goes four hundred fifty feet. Because the ball's juiced do you believe that by admitting that they're gonna deaden the ball's juiced them before. Of course. I always believe they. Juiston never believe their lies always commissioners and he's leagues. They always give your whole bunch of ps especially. Be stupid enough to buy it because most people don't care like yeah whatever i home runs. That's all they care about but people like us who know the game who've been watching it our whole lives say you're full of it. You did something to make this fly out. You're not use the players so you're choosing the balls and now they're saying oh we're going to dead in them. Obviously something's mcdonagh realized all right this ridiculous that everyone's just hitting the ball left and right there we're breaking records like it's nothing. This is insane. We need to get back to what the game should be. And they're fixing the balls that they screwed up in the first place. Do you think that Because you remember when they used to south chicks dig the long ball. Here's an idea. let's still wanna go. Well that's fine but it was but my point is is that chicks don't dig the long ball because they don't dig baseball. I mean there's what one in every twenty five checks that like baseball and ten. Don't tell me you like baseball just because you go to one game every summer. You know wherever you live at city field. If it's yankee stadium or if it's in kansas city or if it's in los angeles if you go to one or two games a year with your boyfriend or husband and you sit there and eat ice cream and popcorn and watch a game doesn't mean you like baseball. I'm sorry it doesn't if you like baseball. If you truly like baseball mafia you had to watch baseball every night. And at least four or five games a week you gotta watch this. Listen you gotta you. Gotta you know people that i believe people that love baseball watchet read about it and don't miss it ever. They watch every day to have it on their dna under radio. Read about it every morning and the vapors go online and read about it. They follow their team. Follow the players. They know everything. i do. Not believe chicks dig the long ball. I believe chicks could care less about baseball. They could care less about it overall. I know a handful of women that like baseball a handful. I'm talking one handful. I'm not talking both hands. I know one handful of women that like baseball. I mean really like it and follow it like crazy and this is not a slight at all on women. This is chicks. dig the lonzo ball. How my ass dig baseball at all if they did You know they'd be diving into it. And like i think guys i think checks like jessica mendoza. She loves it. I think she's great. But i think you know her love affair baseball's legit. I promise anybody that loves baseball. I really don't. I bought baseball for fifty years so i know everything about baseball. All i know is i follow it and i still think it's boring. Here's my fat boring. A woman can't really love a man unless he's part dope be a little stupid everyday and really stupid once in a while. But just don't be perfect. That was mafias speech at his wedding rehearsal or wedding. What was it the reception. That was that was actually from the reception. Can you play that again. This is dramatic. That's getting married now or have like out on a new kid. I think he should go back. And listen to your speech at your at your reception listening. Here's my theory. A woman can't really love a man unless he's part dope be a little stupid every day and really stupid once in a while but just don't perfect great so mafia. Now i know. Kristen likes baseball. She likes sports right but she likes baseball but does she really like it. I mean like really like like diehard like where's your baseball cap and reads the baseball Standings every day and everybody looks at all the game recaps and everything now. She likes sports but she doesn't look like any sports. She's not into any sport like that and she played college softball. She doesn't care about people that much. I mean i barely care about it that much. She played wait. She played college baseball and and she still doesn't care because she doesn't give a rat's ass because no one. Does you know why no one cares anymore about baseball because it's boring and they need to fix it and if it means deadening baseball's and putting syrup in them i'm all for me. Do you think the game would be better. If there was like mrs butterworth's like syrup in the baseball were sticky and they would stick to the wall. Have you written a book. You can become a published author with dorrance publishing. The nation's publishing services company countless authors trusted durance for nearly a hundred years to bring their book to the market are professional team will editor text design your book pages and create an appealing eye-catching custom cover plus benefit from custom book promotion marketing campaign. 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Management of how they run their sexual harassment division at the mavericks instead of worrying about the national anthem police So nowadays everybody gets all bent out of shape about the national anthem in this country that you know they kneel the players neil. They don't respect the flag because they don't respect police brutality. 'cause a cabinet and everything else and now the cuban lead mavericks. Don't play the national anthem. But i would agree with mafia that day. It's funny coming from them. The ones that had all the people that were did the franchise complain about being sexually harassed at work every day. That they're the ones breaking new ground and not playing the national anthem with their maverick no pun intended owner. Mark cuban on notoriously. From pittsburgh. Where i grew up in the same town. Same neighborhood and went to indiana. Just like i did. The problem with him is he's older and uglier than me and it's true mafia noses through we were on dialysis. 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Now you've probably read or heard some of the comments by the big names in the nba. Anthony davis and also lebron james and others. They're saying no. And even lebron said he thinks it's a slap in the face and aside for being a slap in the face to the players. I think it's stupidity. I know why they're doing it. It's money of course but really you think about the the players being in the bubble for such a long time away from their families and also a lot of them have said that they were looking to the five day break between the first half of the nba season and the second half. And now that's going to be taken away from a lot of players that are hall of famers doubt about it or their stars in the nba. But still i think the nba should be rethinking this but we want to know what you think about it again. Given the pandemic should the nba play and all star game. You'll founded on the homepage at sports. Byline dot com. That beef between tom. Brady anti-religion matthew may already be over with a brady. Sent matthew. A lengthy text message immediately after the game ended apologizing for the onfield run ins. They had during the game and brady told matthew he watched him since his days at lsu considered a class act and a great leader he also said that he wished he could have apologized in person and that is outbursts emotional moment where no way a reflection of his feeling towards matthew whom he spoke highly of throughout the week leading up to the game. And it's not clear what initially caused the to start yacking at each other. But with tampa bay dominating the chiefs the mood on the chiefs sideline wasn't exactly joyful and tempers were flaring and then it spilled out on the field. We're gonna be talking with ryan murphy injustice. Second he's going to be hopefully one of the athletes representing the united states in swimming at the olympic games if they have them in japan he's a three time olympic gold medalist and a world record holding swimmer. And and then we'll talk some soccer. With shep messing retired american soccer goalkeeper. He played seven seasons in the north american soccer league. And six in the major indoor soccer league. So we're ready to go. We're coming back with olympian ryan murphy as we continue on sports byline. You love your dog. Is something bothering him or her. And you can't figure out what it is. Maybe they seem slow or lethargic and maybe they just don't have energy wouldn't you like your dog to be living their very best life. Pedroia offers a money back guarantee on all of its products. If your dog won't eat it you don't see the results you want. Just let us know. And we'll make it right totally risk-free what are you have to lose. You can't buy joy multivitamins in store. 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Olympic gold medalist and a world record holding swimmer and he is preparing for the delay. Twenty one olympic games in tokyo this summer. The olympic trials though will be held in june ryan. First of all. I know sports generally has a rhythm to it. What has been the dynamic of the breaking of the rhythm of having the olympics. Every four years particularly for you swimmers. Yeah i think there there definitely is a rhythm this sport in the way we approach each year in the quad like what we refer to the four years of of building towards the olympics as the quad so every year. It's gonna be a little bit different to try to make sure that a year peaking at the end of those four years i think for us that means that we were doing a lot of really really solid work last year kind of through january february time frame and then once we get some march for really trying to hone in on race strategy that that kind of lined up with when the olympic decision came down to suppose code so that point where we take a step back all right Now now you're going be in in july twenty twenty one. So so how do we. How do we take what we've done here build upon it so that we're ready for next summer and i think we've we've done a really nice job. I think i know the answer to this one. I suppose that you and the other swimmers and even add olympic athletes. Probably put out of your mind. What if it doesn't come about this. Yeah i yeah honestly. You're you're right. I i have a hard time wrapping wrapping my head around that And and i really. I really try not to focus on it on on a day to day basis. I'm expecting to to push myself to my absolute limit And i in the back of my head was thinking that you know. Potentially i'm not gonna get to see a reward of all that work. It would that would be pretty draining on a day to day basis. So i i'm keeping my head and it's going to go on and and i really do feel confident about that. Seeing that that all kinds of other sports have gone on. They figured out ways to do it. It might take some some creative thinking but i. i'm. I'm on willing to accept that that they can't figure out a way to get this on. There are some dynamics though. You're going to be facing this time around. And one is of course quarantining which has been going on and then a swimming in a bubble and i'm just wondering that's something that you all have never had to do. Our athletes primarily have never had to do before. What about that unique nature of that. You just give it a thought and then forget about it or do you keep putting it into perspective so you can perform as well as you can. Yeah i i think when they whenever the the guidelines are agreed upon and then then all will create a plan for that. I think right now. The situation is so fluid day-to-day and and we two weeks that that kind of impossible to plan what the situation is going to be like six months from now. 'cause that's one. Yeah that's when the olympics are going to be going on So so for me. Like i really try to keep my focus on on the day to day right now What i can't project these. And what time i training this week and it's it's a little bit tough with with the pandemic just making sure that i might focus that narrow But but that's how i've been dealing with this entire situation. And and that's i'm gonna keep on approaching it all the way up until the summer i mentioned about the olympic trials will be held in june. Some of my friends track and field athletes. Who have been olympia ins as well always told me that the hardest competition is really making the us olympic team and track and field. Is it the same way and swimming as well. One one hundred percent and definitely an ambassador which is which other races that. And i'll be trying to make the olympics and the americans are is incredible at actor We always seem to have like three guys in the top. Five in the world and both events l. May two of them could go. And if your top five in the world that means like you. You've got a really really solid shot. At winning a medal at the olympics so every single everything olympic trials were or leaving home someone that is a potential olympic medalist And and that's that's great. You know like. I feel like by the time we get through. Trials were were battle-tested but it does make trials very very challenging for for the americans But we'd have it any other way. You're a three time. Olympic gold medalist world record holder. And as you were talking there. I was just thinking. I don't know how anybody gets their mind. Around the fact that there are two spots for that particular discipline it comes along every four years the olympics. You put everything into one basket. How does one deal knowing that if you don't get those top two spots then you're not going to the olympics and you put all this time energy and focus into it one hundred percent. Yeah i think. It's i think at this point in my career. I really really enjoy the process of trying to get better. I love waking up. I enjoy working out on a daily basis. I enjoy eating healthy. And i think having joy in in some in some of the work it it makes it makes it easier whereas like no i like even if i don't make doing things don't go the way i want to go. I did everything that and that's a better feeling than feeling like i. I held back at all Just try to dull the pain in the back that don't make it so it definitely an interesting interesting Like pressure situation. But i wouldn't want it any other way. You know it's interesting. You bring that up. Because when i started this network back in nineteen eighty eight billie jean king. Who's one of my limited partners. And somebody i love and respect greatly. I told her i had this idea. Nobody had done it. There wasn't such a thing as a national sports. Talk radio network. And i said i don't know whether to do it or not. I don't know anything about business. And she looked me. In the i ryan and she said ron. I think i know you better well enough that you don't wanna look over your shoulder and wonder if you could have and that's exactly what you were saying. Wasn't it exactly exactly. Yeah you nailed it. And i think there i think there's so many parallels between the mentality it takes a to start your own sports sports radio network and and then what it takes to to become an olympic champion. There's a level of okay a level of determination that you have to have to be accessible in any area lights and so it definitely applies to most boy areas. You have other interests. Of course you have a passion for investing and you're already laying the groundwork for your future in that air. Tell me a little bit about why that interest was her correlation between swimming and the discipline of that. And the discipline of this investing. Yeah i think the one of the things that i go drop ways i think school really seriously My my grandpa math textbooks living. My mom is a college professor and math so academics with very highly prioritized in my family When i got out of school. I was a little bit nervous about entering a career. Where i'm most of the time this working on on how primed. I could get my body to compete. I was worried about the the mental side I was worried about feeling. Like i was losing kind of mental sharpness as a result of just training all the time and not having some sort of mental stimulation throughout the day that let me do investing and and i do consider myself very fortunate to have some really great partners That allowed me to keep my focus on the training. And i've got a little bit of fashion now that i could play within the in the stock market. And i think that's a really really cool thing like i. I love the intersection of what people investment landis. It can look a little bit different if you want money back in a a year versus fifteen years and and all of that. Consumer psychology intersects in the market. I i find it incredibly interesting and it. It definitely still the the nerdiness that that i have it might be. We only have forty five seconds left. But you know when. I think about what you do as an athlete. And what. You're trying to do professionally. I have so much respect for that. And i'm just wondering what was that one driving force in your life. What what was it that has made you and stayed you on the on the track ambition paired with incredible support. I've always been around great people at a great family. Great coaches create friends Great girlfriend they all need to be my best. And then internally. I have an ambition to be great in a lot of different areas of life ryan. I wanna thank you very much. This has been a very insightful interview. I always liked talking to swimmers. Because i very always found him ticket and really fun. Also gymnasts the same way as well so thank you very much for joining us really appreciate the time. This is awesome ryan murphy with us again. Look for him in the olympics. Hopefully they've got the summer olympics coming up if they go off that'll be in tokyo. Two thousand twenty one games and of course. They have the olympic trials. 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Nineteen seventy six in seattle when you were playing goalkeeper for the new york cosmos and it was pays last game there and that was in the early days of soccer in the united states. But let me take you back before we talk about that to new york. You were born in the bronx. He grew up in the new york. Area tell me a little bit about what that was like for you. Well ron thank you for having me on. And yes i'm an original new yorker born in the bronx and and it's pretty hard for me to believe looking back now. At the course i took. I never saw a soccer ball until i was sixteen years old. I i was a typical new yorker In the city and then long island and my sports were Stick ball in the street. Baseball football american football basketball. And it wasn't until i was sixteen years old and living on long island. I went to a high school that. Ironically i i played american football for them and and there was a an injury to a player and they disbanded American football at the school so as a three sports athlete. What am i gonna do in the fall. I'm not gonna not gonna run cross country and and coach came up to me and he said. Look your point guard in basketball. All your a shortstop. In baseball i need a goalkeeper and i had literally league never seen a game before but i saw never forget that day because it did kind of change the course of my life. He brought me to watch your game. And i saw ten guys running around like crazy and one guy was dressed in black looking cool standing in the goal and catching the ball and i said i think i could do that. And and that really was a i. Guess looking back at turning point for mass was. Did you take a little bit of razzing because you were going towards soccer rather than the other sports that you talked about that was played in the in the communities on the street the stick ball and everything is no question. I mean for for us back in those days. Soccer was the The counter culture sport we were called communist so that we will not real athletes. And and and you know for me. Part of the joyous journey was that. I figured out play one more year. And then i'm going to do something else but you just progress so quickly for me that it almost it almost surreal. I mean i was playing in high school and then quickly An all american in college. And before i knew it on the olympic team and and and even on the even during that journey it was it was never the sport That everybody looked up to until one day pele. You know. i'm getting ahead of myself but to answer your question you know. Once pele hit the ground it took a whole new trajectory go from high school to college to play soccer and to study and that was at new york university but you graduated from harvard in nineteen seventy-two after playing on that school soccer team. Jimmy speaking how is soccer looked upon was it an ethnic sport more than anything else. It's a good question round and it really is so is answered so differently depending upon where you are. So i did start at nyu and at nyu. It was a totally ethnic. You're listening to heartland newsfeed. Radio network live twenty four seven at heartland newsfeed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow on facebook twitter and instagram's here is a look at weather from the heartland newsfeed weather center today. Cloudy and cold with a forty percent chance of snow accumulation between one and three inches high near nineteen tonight. Snowfall continues cloudy and windy with a low of fourteen. 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Rick with part one of a message called when you feel you're sinking. I want us to look at a miracle. That is actually recorded. Three times in the bible matthew records it mark records and john records. It is the miracle of jesus walking on the water now. Why did did jesus do this. Jesus never did a miracle to show off. In fact nobody saw this miracle except the disciples. It was only for them and he did it intentionally to teach them about how to trust god in tough times in the storm when you feel like you're sinking now the background of the miracle. We're going to look at today. Is this that afternoon. Jesus had done one of the greatest miracles that had spread all all over israel. Everybody knew about this soon. And that was the feeding of five thousand people like fifteen thousand because the bible says that a large crowd gathered to hear jesus and at the end of the day. They were hungry and there were no mcdonald's around and they said anybody got any food and one little boy had brought a lunch five loaves of bread and two fish and it says that there were five thousand men now wherever you got five thousand men you've got at least ten thousand women and children so we really should call it. The feeding of the fifteen thousand. And jesus miraculously breaks the bread and the fish and feeds them and distributes it. And when it's over. The crowd is going berserk. They are crazy to make. Jesus the king of israel. They're not interested in being a spiritual messiah. They want him to overthrow rome. They want to elect him right now. All of a sudden this miracle turns political because somebody's giving them something for their stomach and they want to rise up and revolt against rome. They want to make jesus instantly king and the fame who turns political and jesus knows that didn't come here for political reasons. So i'm out of here. Jesus says i'm gonna head up to the mountain. And i'm gonna pray for a while by myself was a good thing to do after you've had great success in your life. But then he also tells the disciples. I want you to get in the boat. And he immediately sends them up to beth. Seda now this miracle had happened on by the sea of galilee. And beth say is just a little town about two hours up the road up the coastline and so they're not going to have to cross the entire lake they just cover up the edge and they'll be there in a couple of hours. Jesus has gone up to santa. and i'll be there in a little bit. And i'll see there but i'm gonna go pray now. We pick up the story in mark chapter six verse forty five immediately and after this miracle feeding five thousand jesus made his disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to santa while he dismissed the crowd now after leaving them. He went up alone on a mountainside to pray. When evening came the boat had all the disciples in it was in the middle of the lake now. What in the world's at doing in the middle of lake this is miles. The wrong direction they needed to do is just go. North up the coastline. But jesus is alone on the land and he saw the disciples straining at the oars because the wind was against him. Now this story is told as i said in matthew in mark and in john so we get details through all three and what we discover is a storm came up. Not a little teeny tiny storm. A typhoon assu nami a hurricane gale force storm and their intended direction gets blown off course and they're out in the middle of the lake in the middle of giant sea. Axes what it is and they and they can't get back to shore they've been straining at the oars because the wind was against them now about the fourth watch of the night. That's three to six. Am in the morning. Jesus went out to them walking on the lake. Okay now he was about to pass them by but when they saw him walking on the lake they thought he was a ghost. See people walking by your boat when you're in the middle of a lake at night so they ghost and they cried out because they all saw him and they were terrified now immediately jesus spoke to them and said take courage it is. I don't be afraid we'll come back to that in a minute when you're going through a storm. Then he climbed. Jesus climbed into the boat with them and the wind died down. The bible tells us in other passages. The storm stopped instantly now. They were completely amazed. The disciples by this for they had not understood about the lows. In other words they hadn't learned the lesson of the previous miracle so that we're still not figuring out what he was doing here. Their hearts hardened. Now what's going on here. Jesus intentionally sends the disciples into a storm. He knows it's going to be a storm because he knows everything but he has a lesson of faith. He wants to teach them a lesson. About what do you do when you feel you're sinking. What do you do when you feel you're going under. What do you do when the waves are batting up against you and over you in your boat. What do you do and how do you trust got. We're gonna look at that today but before we do. I wanna give you quickly five signs. When you're thinking you may not realize it when you're thinking you may be thinking financially. You may be thinking relationship you may be thinking emotionally just drained. You feel like i'm going under well. There are five symptoms of that and here the symptoms. You might write these down. I i know thinking. When i can't see my way when i can't see my way i just feel like i'm in the dark in a cloud. I don't have any clarity. I don't have any vision. I'm confused the bible says in john six by now it was dark now. Most of you have never ever been in complete total darkness if you lived in america your entire life. It's pretty doubtful because even if you're out in the desert you can usually see a radio tower light or some farm light. We have electricity everywhere. It's almost impossible to get somewhere where it's totally dark. But two thousand years ago in israel without electricity if you're in the middle of a lake and storm clouds of completely covered all of the moon and all the stars. It's pitch black. You can't see your hand in front of you and one of the first characteristics of going under is. You can't see your way second. I know i'm thinking when i feel i'm on my own when i feel that i'm on my own alone. I'm rowing against the storm. But i'm doing it all by myself and nobody else is helping me. And i don't know where god is. I feel out of touch with god. The bible says in john six. Jesus had not yet joined them now. We always get into trouble when we're way from jesus but jesus actually did this intentionally. He sent them ahead of him to say when you feel like you're on your own you start getting a little frightened number three i. I'm going to be thinking when i feel. I'm out of my comfort zone. When i'm out of my comfort zone when i start to feel a little insecure the bible tells us. The boat was in the middle of the lake. Now when you're in the middle of lake now this is a giant lake tahoe size. It's like caspian sea. it's the skull the sea of galilee. And you're in the middle of a lake that means you're as far away as you can get from shore so they couldn't at there in this storm they can just bail out of the boat and swim ashore there miles out way off course. Maybe you felt like you've been blown off course by a conflict or blown off course by fear of something happening and off course. But they're out in the middle. The bible says they were a long way from shore. There's certainly out of their comfort zone. And they're in the middle of a storm number. Four strong forces are against me. I feel like i'm sinking. When strong forces are against me the bible tells us that they were tossed and battered around by the waves and matthew. John tells us the waves. The waters grew rough. Mark chapter six says. The wind was against them. The word that's actually used here in greek where it says the waters and the waves are rough. Is the word meg us. We get the word mega mega store mega church. It's it means ganic. This is a mega storm. It's not some little spring storm. This was this anomaly. This is a this is hurricane gale-force. Now this was quite common. In the sea of galilee the sea of galilee part of israel and up in the northern part of israel at the north end are the golan heights. You've probably heard this a very disputed territory. the golan heights of syria and lebanon. And that's a very high mountains and cold comes off those mountains that go straight into the sea of galilee the sea of galilee actually about seven hundred feet below sea level. So it's very warm and the water and the weather is warm. When that cold air hits the hot air it often causes major storms so this is not an uncommon thing but it is a scary thing. That's going on here and they're not just having a little storm in their life. They're having a mega storm. Some of you are right now. Going through mega storm. You're out of work or your marriage is strained and you're worried at night and you can't get to sleep things like that the fifth thing. How do i know when i'm sinking. I can't see my way i feel. I'm on my own. I'm out of my comfort zone strong forces against me number five. I'm struggling but i'm failing. I'm doing my best going under. I'm straining i'm struggling. I'm rowing the boat. But i'm not getting back to safety. I'm not getting back to shore. I'm not making any progress. Mark sixers forty eight. Says they were in serious trouble rowing hard and struggling against the winds and the ways i know many of you are feeling this way these days. You're in serious trouble. You've been trying to get out of debt but you're going further in debt. You've been trying to get a job but it's not there you've been trying to make your marriage work you've been trying to find a mate for life you whatever it is something you need in your life is not there or some problem has just won't seem to crack and you're feeling all of these things you're struggling but you're failing. What does god want you to do in that situation more important. What does god do in this situation. Now i don't know what kind of problem you're going through. I don't know what the storms are in your life. I don't know what area of your life you feel. You're sinking. But i do know this when we go through tough problems. We typically think that god has forgotten us. We think that god is not aware that is a million miles away that he's not doing anything about what we're going through. Because if he were. We think we'd be going through smooth sailing. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is every time you go through a storm. God is doing four things. You need to write these down. We find them illustrated in this story of jesus walking on water every time. You're going through a storm. I jesus prays for me before it happens even before i hit the storm. Jesus prays for me before. I get into it. The bible tells us in matthew chapter fourteen that jesus was up on the mountain praying for his disciples as he sent them out into the storm. Remember he had planned this crisis in advance. And he planned the miracle and he wanted his disciples to grow he actually told them to get in the boat and he sent them into the storm now most of the time in life. We're going through problems pressures difficulties things like that. It's because of our disobedience. It's the number one. Cause when i don't do what god tells me to do. I always get into trouble when i nor what god tells me to do when i ignore what he wants me to do. It causes trouble in my life. Disobedience causes storms but sometimes you do the right thing sometimes. You obey what god tells you to. Do you listen to his voice and it still send you into a storm. Some of the storms in your life doesn't necessarily mean you're sending it may mean you followed what god told you. Jesus told the disciples to get in the boat and head out into the lake knowing that a typhoon was coming. He knew it in advance because he was going to teach them some lessons. They could learn no other way. This is one of the great lessons of job. Jove had done nothing wrong in his life and yet over a period of a couple of days. He lost his entire family. He lost his entire wealth. His wife stayed alive but he lost all of kids. He lost his health. He lost his reputation. He lost his power. All in just a matter of days. Jove had no idea what was going on and now the bible tells us joe had done nothing wrong. In fact god says job was a blameless man. He was a righteous dude. He wasn't big evil. It could mean bad nasty. You know center type person. He was a righteous person. He was a good man. He treated people with dignity and justice and he was kind and yet the worst. That could possibly happen happen to and job says this job. Nine thousand nine verse eight here on the screen. God has blocked my way and plunged my path into darkness. I have no doubt some of you feel that way. God is blocked by way. I wanna get married. But i haven't. I want to have a baby. But i haven't. I need a job. But i haven't got one. I want to go to school. But i can't. I have this dream but nothing. God has blocked my way and i am in darkness. Let me just say this. Some storms that you go through. We're just not gonna understand until we get to heaven so you might as well try to give. God doesn't oh you an explanation for everything that happens in your life. We want you to learn to live by phase. And he's not going to explain everything so you can spend all your time saying why you're not always going to get the answers but you can know this that jesus prays for me before it happens now. Follow me on this. God obviously knows everything. That's going to happen. God is timeless. He knows the past the present and the future all at once he is omniscient. That means he's all knowing so god already knows what's going to happen in your life. This afternoon he knows what's going to happen in your life this next week next month this next year and the next decade and the rest of your life he already knows. That's why you'll never hear god go. Wow i didn't know that you're never gonna hear god's say oops man that one caught me by surprise wow. I never figured she'd do that. No god is never disappointed because disappointment means you didn't expect it to happen. Dot already knows everything that's to happen in your life. The good the bad and the ugly now the good news of this. He can pray about it before it happens to you. You said wait a minute. God praise god talks to himself. Oh you never talk to yourself. You talk to yourself all the time when god talks to yourself. It's prayer himself. It's prayer as a dad. I often talk to myself about my kids. All the time and god talks to himself about you all the time when god talks to himself.

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CS 295: Feds Is Watching

Champagne Sharks

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CS 295: Feds Is Watching

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So yeah, and what is tell you really mean we really appreciate pensions. We appreciate all of you that that go we appreciate all of our listeners support. We you know. When never special start outside all of our patients man because you know I know it's a difficult times for a lot of people who financially you know now they got this thing where they're talking about there's a coin shortage. So they don't WanNa you saw today and my local store man I was begging rated by coffee and seven eleven and. Exact change only or yeah. I'm. What they say what the problem was with the coins I forgot what it was, but the coins are out there they just can't find him or some shit. That's such a twenty twenty. Pandemic Racial. Alan dimes are gonNA remember they were going to get rid of pennies years ago they to get rid of the penny but they didn't, and then they started making those new quarters, those new dimes and new Nichols and stuff. So I duNno, it's crazy by. Coin shortage out. You walk down the street at any American city you can come up with a dollar. Yeah Nielsen. But anyway if I but we. We appreciate you guys hanging in there even though you know some of us, the financial French may be coming on US and. We just preach guys breaking that five dollars a month. Especially the people that the newspapers the day one subscribers in especially the the youtube people on Youtube man like since we we've been streaming on Youtube, we've got a lot of interactions through periscope twitch due to we're going to be able to see us on facebook live soon, get together, and also you'll be seen in a lot of Vita Star. She's new platform. So I was one appreciate everybody for welcome in her and making her feel comfortable. You know what I mean this big Mike passed away recipes just keep pushing for all the people that's been riding with from the since day one when he was on a different up what was the name of the platform? Remember went to Hill that. They were so raggedy. Whatever that other platform was? An android phone and we'll sound like darth. Vader. Must respect everybody. That's been supporters man. We appreciate you guys in. We can do like when this is all over we meet up and do a live show. That's the goal. In California because I go New York. On out there. Yeah. But you mean Mario was talking off the air in something. You know we wanted to address this whole idea of quote unquote the feds what's going on with you live I'm here in. PORTLAND. So. I get offended sometimes people who have these assumptions about what's going on in Portland when it comes to these federal police officers that are here, and there's a lot of things going on when it comes to the federal government right now and how the infiltrating groups gangs, all kinds of going on right now. You must be you want to speak on Mario well first of all, let's let's let's keep Kinney and prayer because you know at any given moment Kenny can be of deductive and west of the unmarked car. If we don't want that to happen, you know what I'm saying I can is very active. He gets outside and business thing on my bike Leila's by with with with taking safety precaution with his mask and all that those who don't want Kenny they swooped in on mark. Vehicle. TAKE IT TO AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION In the woods somewhere, right? Exactly. No was reporting now some of the stuff. Going with better with the fans particularly in your in your area, your neck of the woods Portland in in the in the northwest period. Extends all. Stems from Donald Trump, telling William bar to get more active in you know unleash the fans on the people right and so you saw what happened they came with a heavy hand up there in Portland and Seattle, and now we're getting reports of going into other parts of the country to hear some stuff happening in. Chicago we I stuff stuff maybe happening in New York and so it seems that they have a strategy that they're trying to follow and. So far. I gotta give it to Portland. I've talked about this the other day off the Air I'll say man, I tell you what you can say whatever you want about four the man. But you know soon as those fair star cracking down, they didn't bow and they came back out stronger in. It got so bad was like challenge accepted. The protest went to the mayor's house I'll wear it I didn't even hear about that protest and went to the mayor's house the Mayor March with the people and he tear gas. I did hear something about that. Yeah. I. Did hear something about that. Yeah. In the governor the Governor Kate. Brown. Now, she's stepping up saying that the organ police will not even the Portland police. The state police are GONNA be protecting the protesters. So That's why twenty the you know with a chance to see cop on cop violence. Oh. Okay. So that's what bad was. Okay. Till the state, the Oregon State police are protecting protesters near the courthouse downtown and near the federal building. Downtown. And those federal, those federal police officers are outnumbered. So let me ask a little. Let me ask you some of the layout of downtown Portland because this is what this is one of the things as fusing from what I understand. They only have so much authority to work down there as far as talking about the federal agents. Yeah. They're they're Michigan is supposed to protect the federal buildings. Staff. Is that where the majority of the protests happening or or the federal building? This is how small downtown. Seattle Houston downtown Seattle downtown Seattle Looks Damn near identical to downtown. Portland is just downtown Seattle is five times bigger. So downtown Portland you have pyner square you have the federal building and literally two blocks over you have the Oregon courthouse. So the protesters are down there and both places there in the end the Police Department of Justice Center across the street from the courthouse so you have protesters at the police station you have protesters. At the Justice Center and have protests at the federal building. Now, this is what people understand. The federal police have already been here because they protect the federal building. So this is not anything new about federal police being here and they've always been here. You know what I mean is just that they brought in extra ones from different places to I guess enforce they're going they're going places that aren't the federal building you know what I'm. Saying their front of the police station and the different places, and what happened is they started hurting people they started hitting people and people's fighting back. The only things I thought I was that was weird as lobbies federal police officers, dues I understand that I was like, why did you do so little? You know what I'm saying like are they federal police? Are they cops from another jurisdiction in another state just sent over here because it? was like many bills they was they was beating people you know they do they do a lot what they always do they pick on the weak people. So you a weak person like I've I've seen a lot of videos now heard stories from people here in town about certain people that were walking by themselves and the federal jumped out the van just snatch them up, beat him up and threw him out the van down the street. Bam, Okay Yeah, you know what I'm saying or they shooting they shoot the rubber bullet guns at people and I guess in the rubber bullet gun, there's a there's levels to it. You know what I mean like you don't have to shoot at the highest level, but that's what they've been doing and they take chunks of people's foreheads shit. Up there is where the guy was shot the hand with a tear gas canister. Lost the damn thing inside of the Guy Skull. So it's been, it's been wild with that in the protest. Trying to explain to people in twitter's like man, you can't be surprised by any of this because there's been going on in Portland for twenty years when it comes to protest and I mean the WTO protests that happened that was in two, thousand, eight, I think that was crazy. Actually got stuck downtown you're talking about the whole. What was it called? I'm having baby Te'o is WTO was what was the name of? The movement behind those that was. Occupied by. Now it was crazy in Portland and in Seattle so. Brent. You know protests and in Portland is like peanut butter and jelly like. As as Mother's milk, Greg. Yes. So now there's also been some confusion about which agencies are specifically there. You know you hear offer the US marshals there her department of Homeland Security Ain't. And stuff. Yeah. Isis their yeah. Customs enforcement all this type of stuff and. So the confused, I guess people when they take these people away they don't know where they're going and then when they get there, they're kind of just let people go. They'll ask him questions. And then they let bill or whatever. So it's kind of like what the Hell is purposive. When downtown Portland you see. Department homeland, security trucks all the time. They've always been here. This is the thing about all these different agencies they've always been here. They came here after the Patriot Act Rumsfeld and all those John Ashcroft and all of them they're the ones that went to wants the Patriot Act came in they started beefing up security at the airports and things like that. So you got a lot more customs agents department of Homeland Security now the problem is these people aren't they're not trained police so that they can. End Up in a bad situations but they've always been here when you get anywhere near the courthouse downtown, you're GonNa see Department of Homeland Security now I don't I didn't see any ice officers in like that, and this is the crazy thing. Is that the neighborhood where I should be you don't ever see ice over there I'm not GonNa say when neighborhood it is but the neighborhood where I should be never see them over there. For is to be downtown. I wonder what they was gonNA do. Because this majority white people down there straight up. The majority white people downtown. That's how it usually goes in Portland where the protests will initially start where's everybody down there. Then after a while everybody else is like, okay you're going too far. The demographics for those protests is a really We I. Mean Black Portland is. This is this is the crazy thing about Portland is a lot like Seattle. There are black people here, but it's like herding cats to find them all. Because Gypsum vacation destroy North North and northeast. Portland so bad that black people are literally just sprawled out everywhere you giving him wherever you can fit in or you laughed. So I think forty five percent of the population of left Portland in the last twenty five years. Yeah. I mean there was a point in time in north northeast or them where you can go all day and don't see know why people. But. That was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five you know what? I'm saying Oh, the neighborhood that I grew up in was all black. It's literally the only black people in that neighborhood is my pops as it. You know what I'm saying is bad and even some of the white people that I remember when I was growing up even they don't even like. They they don't even like the guy a guy man is doing Mr Jim. He'd been living in my grandmother's neighborhood since nineteen seventy one. And he can't even he and he's a Republican is focused public in Rhode. Stand white people. White People neighborhood and you know what grandmother passed. Eleven he was at the funeral and that he was like, yeah, I guess the neighborhood is changing I'm like you think right you know what I'm saying. So Portland is a weird place because the demographics change. So rapidly you know people are still talking about justification in San Francisco in Brooklyn and places like that. It's over here done. It's a done deal. DAMN THIRD GENERATION Defies over there right. So yeah, you know what I'm saying. So but as far as the police you know even you know you even have a police officers that are like confused as to what they should be doing. because. They don't know how to protect the federal police and they're not used to protect citizen. So they don't know what the hell to do you know. So the governor stepping up she's you know she's gotTa give Governor Kate Brown some respect because she not only has that on hand but she got this damn pandemic trying to open up schools. We're going district here. And I just got an email saying that we're not there ain't nobody going to be no school buildings until November. Going to be all long distance learning from September second all the way to November. Yeah that's that's a whole. Yeah Yeah we just They're talking about doing everything online down here as well, and so you don't be a long summer my kids they're getting antsy they ready to go back to school and you know my son is his senior year man so. Yeah. seventeen-year-old Mattis's Senior Year Swan Song Yeah Damn I ain't GonNa get the dependent man I'm like hey. Health I you gotTa keep that in perspective and everything in perspective, but it's hard for kids to kind of You know see that he wanted to live his life man mean it was hard for me. I got a sixteen year old daughter I can't keep her in the house is much like There's only so much. You can do. You know what I'm saying with what are people doing though that's what I'm. Like. Well you know kids kids will find. Some. Kids will find something to do. Summer but grownups meticulous home. Right. Doing shy doing shit but we're getting read ma'am. I haven't been able to deal with them. We of started going out a little bit when they cut open enough things again, a little bit restaurants there's like that but you know they seem like say closed it back down as soon as they open it up man. The down down? In California. Now telling my boy he lives down there now and he was kind of tripping on how they shut it down and he was a man what's it like up there back home in Portland I said well, you remember Y'all got more kids than we have entire population here. You don't eight million people in the state of Oregon. I don't know what the population is in California but I'm sure three three or four times that. Shit is probably about seven million Los. Angeles. Young more kids y'all got to worry about kids. It's going to school. But what are these protests and stuff going on in in the Federal Police is interested. What's going to be interesting is how you know when you go to certain cities, how much are people willing to take out I? Mean we saw I saw video today with that one do an. Twelve million to twelve, million, four, forty, seven, thousand Los Angeles. Just La. My Lord that we only got eight million people here period in the whole state. But that's also why it's been. So easily easily easy to manage this pandemic here you know when you go into a store in Portland man, you ain't nobody without a Moscow. Just. As they're gonNA look at you like crazy you stance and we only we only have we average about three hundred people positive day tours and other places. They got twelve, hundred, fifteen, hundred all