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TYT Extended Clip - December 17th, 2019

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TYT Extended Clip - December 17th, 2019

"Hey guys you've heard of the young Turks podcast because you're listening to right now but Make sure that you subscribe and a five star rating if you like it. Thank you for listening all right. Well the young Turks Shangqiu grant experiment with you Guys Wild Day as usual Trump's uh-huh impeachment is imminent and And we will go to the center for a trial was going to happen in that. Trial is as important as it gets. Because that's what's going to determine whether trump is going to be run out of I and I know what the correct strategy is an eh for the Republicans Not sure if I should reveal it to them. I'm pretty sure Mitch. McConnell is not going to take my advice but I will share with you guys so There's there's a lot to get to here on a wild day as usual so casper lists to it. What do we have Impeachment news to start off with and Idiot so let's do that Rudy Giuliani Donald. Trump's former personal lawyer was told by the trump administration to avoid doing interviews. But but he can't help himself and he had a sit down interview with the New Yorker and during that interview he actually confessed to working with corrupt prosecutors shooters in Ukraine in an effort to oust Marie Ivanovich who was the US ambassador to Ukraine at the time number. Yvonne is also one of the we now former One of the former ambassadors who has testified against trump during the impeachment investigation. And here's what we know so far now. The New Yorker are did an extensive profile on this prosecutor in Ukraine. His name is Yuri. Let's go you've probably heard him already and He is referred to as the now disgraced prosecutor general of Ukraine because apparently investigations found that he was corrupt himself and as a result He was ousted did and he was salty about that now. Former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yury you loot Sankoh railed against American diplomats including you von Vich when he spoke to the New Yorker and eventually described his partnership with Giuliani by saying both of them believe they offered each other a win win situation for their political interests when loops Sankoh met with Giuliani in his office the Prosecutor General provided financial documents. He claimed was proof. That Barack Obama hired Hunter Biden Leiden for the purpose of lobbying. His father the former vice president. So that's the reason why loot Sankoh and Guiliani met in the first place and they met with the help of Giuliani's liane US business associates left Parnis and eager fruman now before I continue. Want to jump in. Both sides are throwing around corruption but there has been evidence on one side and not others so you see that in some of the internal proceedings that they recognize that you Ivanov H.. R. Ambassador is actually fighting corruption. And so Luke Sankoh who came in pretending to find against option kind of like Donald Trump. They lose Sankoh Sankoh says to Juliana. We have a win win here. We're both pretending to fight against corruption while actually being in favor of corruption. Now of course he doesn't frame that we read you the quote there but that is what's happening opening their like but we got to get rid of Ivanovich okay because she actually would expose us as she does want us to do. Nonsense investigations of the Biden's because she knows factually and this has been shown over and over and over again That it's not true so we gotta get her out of the way so that we can play our political article games here and so that's why they have their so-called win win but It's one thing for a corrupt guy in a different country to say. Hey America you get rid to your diplomat. Because she's getting in the way my corruption it's another thing for America to agree but it's a third thing for American State Department not agree but the president's personal lawyer to go in there and go well. I'M GONNA fire diplomat from the State Department. Even though I'm not in the government I'm going to work work with the president to fire this person because it helps us corrupt guy in Ukraine which now Giuliani and some of his associates. Their government is looking into into whether they got paid to do that right. Plus I'm GonNa do it for the president's political ambitions. None of this is in any way legitimate so just continue on although I do want to go back to the accusations regarding Hunter Biden serving on that board. So let's Sankoh wanted to meet with Attorney General Jeff sessions to defend his reputation back in two thousand eighteen but became irritated when he heard that. You've Oughta Vich and others were trying to block that meeting. This eventually led to Loot Saint goes first meeting with Giuliani after our partners. That's offered to connect the two. Okay so I'm setting the stage for what happened. This is the context and then the reporter from the New Yorker Hits Up Giuliani gets an interview with him and during that interview. Giuliani just confirms everything so let me give you his statements. No according to mediate. Giuliani largely confirmed Lukashenko's account of their relationship. He too saw you von Avik as an obstacle hindering his attempt to dig up dirt against his clients. Rival in advance of the twenty twenty election and here are direct quotes from Giuliani himself. I believed that I needed Uganda. Vich out of the way she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. It's amazing in could. Why would you admit that? Why would you admit that you you're saying I'm a person not in the government on the president's personal attorney slash fixer I'm trying to help him win the election and I needed the American ambassador out of the way we do. He doesn't say the corrupt Bart but we could do an investigation of the president's son. Roy Rival and his son. Okay look even if that was your intent. Why are you so oh stupid? Assume admitted to a reporter. They're unbelievable so is he stupid or is there something that we don't know right and is there something something that isn't being reported accurately in the mainstream media and I say that because I don't know recent things that have transpired in my life have it made me question everything and so look I mean. It does make sense if Hunter Biden is serving on the board of a Ukrainian gas company. Right wouldn't corrupt you know. Actors have a direct connection to Joe Biden. Who then has a direct connection to Obama the president of the United States at the time? Yeah I hear you but look so living. Tell You my take on this based on what we know. Look everybody on planet. Earth knows that Hunter Biden was on the Board of that Ukrainian yes company because his last name is by and he's pretty much admitted that okay. He had no knowledge of Ukrainian raining. Gas and of course would not be on the board of that company. Getting fifty thousand dollars a month otherwise. That's not the question so and and if if you're conservative saying Hunter Biden was basically doing corruption to get on that board. Yes totally okay. The but the question is was Joe Biden affecting government American government policy to help us get on the board. If there was evidence of that I got no low for Joe Biden. I'd love to have evidence of that and then I would use it until you guys better because then that would be corrosion and I would. I would hated but there is no evidence of that. If there's any evidence showing that Biden is pulling strings for people in Ukraine because his son is serving on that board breast in evidence of that. Then it's a big problem. Yeah if there was evidence of Joe Biden In any way shaping American policy based on his son getting paid we would be a million percent against it and look I mean I. I don't want him to be president. I Want Bernie Sanders to be president. I don't want him to be general. Election candidate Because I think he might lose the Donald Trump. I think he's a really bad candidate but But there is no evidence of Joe Biden in any way affecting Ukrainian Policy policy in fact it appears based on the evidence that we have Joe Biden and the opposite he. They were trying to fight corruption and and they were wanted to get rid of prosecutors who would not fight corruption at places like Burma Ariza so hundred Biden guilty of using his father's name in a way. That's odious if you ask me but I don't think Joe Biden's guilty. I'd love to tell you if were but I don't think he is. And the final part of this is how Giuliani confessed to working with a conservative columnist at the hill in order to push information in About this investigation out there to the public In fact he reached out to John Solomon at the hill and said John. Let's make this as prominent as possible awesome. I'll go on TV. You you go on TV you do call hymns okay. So the only reason why I think that's relevant is because if this was really in American foreign policy you don't need to go on TV you don't need to get another conservative writer to try to influence policy in this direction. The only reason why they're ah going through these weird pass to get an American ambassador. Fired is because what they're doing is illegitimate if they had any real information about about an American ambassador doing anything inappropriate would just simply take the State Department. His client is the president of the United States if the president know hey. You're doing something wrong. He he can then ask the secretary of state which is a lackey of Donald Trump. Mike Pompeo and they've wall. Let's find out the reason they're doing however it is because he wasn't doing anything wrong in fact she was trying to fight corruption. That's why they had to do a work around to try to get her fired both Ukrainian business interests and for Donald Trump So that he can investigators. Data's political rival work around to do. It makes sense. It makes sense. Just you know you gotta be skeptical of things you read these days but that does make sense and we haven't seen any evidence of of Biden's wrongdoing all right well. Let's move onto another aspect of this impeachment. Investigation Mitch. McConnell is finding himself disagreeing with a number of Republicans even Donald Trump when it comes to the best way to proceed with the impeachment trial in the Senate now Mitch. McConnell wants to get through the process as quickly as possible because he thinks that the possibility of calling witnesses is too much of a wildcard. There might be information. That isn't known yet that could be revealed through that trial that could be damaging to Republicans in some of these swing districts however people like Donald Trump. Want this trial to take. Its time because they think that could actually help them. And there is some evidence to that point. So let me give you all the details. According to this report by The Wall Street Journal on the verge this week of becoming just the third. US President to be impeached by the House. Trump doesn't want to be acquitted wooded in the Senate or doesn't just want to be acquitted in the Senate trial that would follow these people say. He hopes to be vindicated. And he thinks you know taking your time I'm and making it seem like nothing. More than a Witch Hunt will make him vindicate it Right So I wouldn't mind a long process. Trump said suggesting that h senate. The trial expected to begin in January would be used to unmask the whistle blower subtle scores with House intelligence chairman Adam Schiff and undermine others. Here's who view his dealings with Ukraine. As highly improper in fact he talked about it in front of White House. Reporters take a quick look at that do prefer short the process in the Senate for more extended. I've heard Lindsey Graham was terrific and I heard his statement and I like that and I could also I can do. I'll do whatever I want. Look there is nothing wrong so I'll do long or short I've heard Mitch. I've heard Lindsey. I think they are very much an agreement on some concept. I'll do whatever they WANNA do. It doesn't matter. I wouldn't mind a long process. Because I'd like to see the whistle blower. Who is a fraud? The whistle blower wrote a false report. The whistleblower doesn't matter the whistleblower doesn't matter you have over a dozen people who were either currently formerly in a trump administration currently in trump's administration testifying against him providing evidence against him in this impeachment process the whistle blower doesn't matter. He's so obsessed with the whistle is. We've said one hundred times the whistle blowers like the guy who called nine one one. And then what you already have. Access actually seventeen witnesses. Who saw the crime in that analogy? Okay so who cares and call nine one one. We have the witnesses anyway Here's the most important part I thought. Mitch McConnell might listen to me. I wouldn't say this okay but I'm pretty sure he's not gonNa care what we think. So let me tell you the reality McConnell's right. Trump is wrong if the Republicans were smart. They'd you'd get this trial over in two hours let alone two weeks. They'd all come in like no it says okay Inappropriate not guilty move on okay. Trump is an idiot. He wants to bring more witnesses. Like Hunter Biden Adam Schiff and people that are like totally irrelevant. Why because he's not smart? He's not smart mark. You Open the door to more witnesses. Maybe if you take long enough and you open enough doors away this is maybe John Bolton comes in testifies it's so the longer drags out the worse it is for trump and he keeps he's GonNa dig himself into a whole because he can't help himself. Please please let it be a longer trial so aw I partly disagree right because and this is depressing but apparently since the impeachment process started Trump has actually Increased his support in some of these battleground states. I'm not buying it. No I hear you I saw the polls and so there's two different set. Suppose first of all every poll shows it's about a fifty one percent of the country sometimes it's forty-nine sometimes it's fifty but oftentimes is fifty one percent let's say trump should be impeached and removed from office. There's the nonstop spin about how trump is winning. When fifty one percent of the country thinks the president should be removed from office? Okay so that is not right boldly winning now. He is improved a little bit in some of the polls in the battleground states. Not Enough to win. Okay and and why I've now I'm now more firm and my conclusion about how the Democrats should have proceeded. We talked about the articles of impeachment. And were there enough to know they are they bungled it again. I'm positive they should have gotten with five. They should have any shouldn't have been just broadly. Eh Abuse of his office. Because this you should have been crimes. And now having read all deliberations here I think that the Democrats were afraid prayed of putting specific crimes. Because then they're like well. This is a political thing and it's not a crime and what have we can't prove the crime bubble. No he did it. He did it guys campaign being finance violation on Ukraine on the mistresses obstruction of justice. Ten counselor etc.. They should've hit with everything. God show all the criminality now. Now they're trying to the Democrats have internalized as always. Oh my God. Anything we do is going to help the Republicans. Let's not let's do it. Let's do it as little as possible as runaway right so what what dad has created in the battleground states a little bit of a feeling of like wait Wa wa. I thought it was going to be more to this. I thought they were GONNA charge them with crimes but the but they all charge them was obstruction which is a crime but and An abuse of office. I don't know what abuse of office is. So that's why. Oh I think the Democrats are bungling this and maybe it helps trump a little bit in that. Says for God's sake fight fight it doesn't help them obviously to hurt some the minute. They started impeachment. His numbers I went down remember. His numbers went down when they started impeachment but when they were soft on impeachment is when you the numbers that you're talking about showed up but still it's not good enough still still more than half. The country wants him removed from office. You're right they did start off fighting but but keep in mind from the very beginning and also during the Russia investigation. They ran away from the financial crimes as if it was going to give them a disease like they. They didn't want to investigate it. They don't want to look into it. There was a more than enough evidence or at least probable cause pause to do a an appropriate investigation into that including His own personal lawyer testifying under oath. That trump committed fraud in both filing his taxes and obtaining loans. None of that stuff matters to Democrats and look I. This is obviously now speculation. Because you can't know for sure but I think they don't. I want anyone to look into their own. Financial Crime Anna a hundred percent. I know it's so frustrating and I keep looking at it like and what camel's back today. If you will is Mike why not do the campaign finance violations it is the clearest violation of belong ever seen first of all in the mistresses and the hush money his co conspirators in jail. Right now he went to prison. He went to prison for that same crime not a similar crime the same crime he committed with Donald Trump. They robbed a bank together in that analogy or K. They committed and one guys in prison. The other isn't and then on Ukraine. We you've if you watch any of the young Turks coverage of this you know we've been saying from day one even asking for assistance from a foreign country into your camping without parole already of crime. It's clearly a grime campaign finance violation so then I realized today. Oh my God the the Democrats. They're worried about if they have campaign finance violations that's why they're not bringing it up to be it because they hate trump maybe not as much as they hate progresses but they hate trump right and so I don't understand why they would limit themselves limit the scope of the impeachment investigation. Why they would needlessly go out of their way to focus on charges that are so vague and also so complex for the American people to understand right? And so I'm I'm not saying that to insult the intelligence of the American people. I'm saying that because you're right jake when you hear abuse of power well what does that mean. It's too vague. Be Specific what is he done. Exactly exactly that's an abuse of power and look one thing that Americans understand is money right Dan so if there is a criminal exchange of money if there are bribes people understand that people are furious about that. The fact that Democrats have shied away from honing in on that and really emphasizing it is. I don't know it's a curious decision. You know absolutely man. We talked about how Richard Neal didn't go after the head of the House Ways and means committee part of Democratic leadership he didn't go after Donald Trump's taxes and then we found out it turns out he is not released his own taxes. Oh my God and so then. They don't WanNa go to his business dealings. Why because they don't want to go into Democrats business dealings feelings they don't want to charge him with campaign finance violations because trump keeps saying? Oh Yeah I'll look into you and that threat has been the most effective threat that he's ever used because when trump says you look after my money I'll go after your money. Democrats no no. No no no no no no no no no power kind of obstruction. Let's get Outta here. Let's not talk about the money. God they're the worst so now what we are in as usual with trump and democratic leadership is. We're in a bungalow off. Okay who's GonNa Bungle this More Democrats so far like in the beginning trump took the lead the Democrats at least did the impeachment in the beginning. Actually I should clarify. They didn't impeach for years when they had enough information on the hush money payments etc.. So Democrats were winning the bungalow off but then he trump bungled the Ukraine call and that Ukraine anything so badly the Democrats at the beach. He takes the lead now then the Democrats. Oh Yeah. We won't charge you with the worst crimes. The Democrats take the lead again in the bungalow the law but I think based on this story that we're giving you hear trump at the end might be like no hold my beer. No one's going to outbound with me. I could have gotten out This in two weeks and been done with it and get to say I'm acquitted but no I want it to be longer and call up nonsense witnesses and drag it out until I gave myself so much trouble. I accidentally get myself convicted. So so important. Facts as we move forward with this Senate impeachment trial when it comes was to removing Donald Trump. You need a two thirds majority however when it comes to the actual process within the Senate all you need is a simple majority in in order to make decisions about whether or not you call witnesses and how you proceed forward so I mentioned that because it could be possible that it doesn't even matter what Mitch McConnell wants because if Mitch McConnell does in fact want a short trial all it takes is a few Republicans to defect and vote. Otherwise is and so. We'll see how this all plays out. Senator Susan Collins has already said that she's not really loving. How Mitch McConnell is dealing with this She doesn't like the fact that he's he's constantly Working with Donald Trump on making decisions on how to move forward in the Senate and she says you know I have a mind of my own and I I really want to you do this in a fair way. We'll see how it plays out but it's fascinating of course I don't believe her this show in a fair way but she's trying to win her reelection in in order to do that she has the fake being a moderate. Okay so but that is monumentally important. Because the way this is going to fake being a moderate is Vote against McConnell once or twice on procedural issues and maybe which witnesses to call. Well that could open a door. That's really important but according to the constitution Senators must swear an oath before the trial begins to quote do impartial justice according to the constitution and the laws that's according to the constitution and the laws. Okay so now Window when Mitch. McConnell says I'm not going to be impartial. I'M GONNA do whatever with the White House tells me to do and Donald Trump's lawyers tell me to do and he said that he said on Fox News then it puts people like Susan Collins a situation where they have disavowed and say no. I'm going to be impartial. Show I don't agree with McConnell. Says he's not going to be impartial. Again another violation nonstop violations. Okay so if if they lose Her well been they only fifty three Republican senators right and so then you got a bunch of other guys like Cory Gardner who are in a lot of trouble. The state of Colorado likely to lose his reelection. He's got to prove that he's moderate. There's an accelerometer. There's many others but the one guy who could prove to be the McCain in this scenario so is Mitt Romney that guy as some rudge's as we say to worry about reelection just do the the right thing for once please so So Romney has like another five years left before the election. And you don't know this because he looks great. But he's in his seventies. Okay it's Kramer who so money I know anyways so really very much lose it all and he lows donald trump so so if there ever comes a time and they're on the precipice of fifty one votes mccaw. I'm sorry Rodney can come out there with a okay and and guys the most critical witness hear me now quote me later is John Bolton and so he's the former national security adviser he is so right-wing no-one on planet Earth could call him progressive. I mean everybody's heads would exploded but it would be absurd also has grudges. And he has grudges urges okay and so and he killed way to testify. He can't wait. He's pretending that he's reluctant. Like oh no I mean I mean I care about executive privilege and you got to go through the courts. But he's like Oh walk being coach. Put me in so I can see a situation where McConnell lose a couple. The way McConnell's not very confident he keeps saying. Well I don't know the McConnell's normally say that he's like no way right in this case he's like well there's senators. I could vote in different for ways. I'm like Oh is there. Oh that's really interesting okay. So could they get to a point where Romney is deciding. Vote to lead Bolton testify when they drag out the proceedings too long and then Bolton comes in off the top Rope Bolton likes war you WanNa go to war right so if Boeton comes in and and and we have a real battle of the bastards Bolton versus trump Bolton keep saying I have really damaging information and he has not yet released it so please stretch this is trial out. Please make them and say look guys the way that you could help with that. Keep saying on social media to representative your senators to everyone. Okay Hey what does trump afraid of. I mean I hear. He made a perfect call. Who wouldn't want to testify about perfectly? Who wouldn't and this is really important is two out of three not? Democrats Republicans two out of three Republican. Voters say that trump's aides and advisories should testify because trump has got them really believing that he's innocent so that's why Republicans are like of course. Trump's advisor should testify. That's GONNA be fantastic. We're looking forward to it. Take him up on it. Say Hey look. Democrats agree. Independence agree. Republicans agree let him testify. What are you afraid of? Donald Trump. What what are you afraid of? What are you afraid of? Get under his skin. Let's get all those guys in there. Testifying see what happens. And if he's really innocent I'm sure they'll prove his innocence when we come back from the break. We're going to discuss the voter rolls in two states. Wisconsin in Georgia. Republicans are at it again. And unfortunately they've been successful at it they've been purging the polls and we're going to give you the details. We'll be right back with doe. 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Because he believes he can get away with it proof. He's not in jail now. That is unfortunately fair. Donald Trump's wig writes in Also that's funny not allowed most changing to a somber Handle I was laughing. I was sobbing my Julia Anyway. Donald Trump's we ask my Giuliani me. The whistleblower no because he's not in the government that's quite so weird that he's running around trade deals with foreign governments because he's not the government the obviously the whistle blower was last to Mandy Blizzard born on twitter. Says whenever I hear the criminal in chief say it can do whatever I want and makes me wanNA vomit. Because apparently it's absolutely truth well almost but let's see what happens here. Okay we got maybe a couple of months to find out. Oh God is I say it makes me sick. Youtube Super Chat. Peter Woke says those house have to send articles of impeachment to the Senate can they delay well delays an interesting idea. Yeah but I'm I'm against it. I always want to go full speed ahead unless they're going to put it more articles of impeachment But I gotTa tell you something really scary. Maybe we'll save it for the post game. Yeah you know what let's do. Let's say for the post game because there's now a new democratic idea which could be unbelievably disastrous. TRT Dot Com shows in this last half of the show was thanks. All right just a few announcements First off if you're trading stock You should be doing it commission free and luckily one of our partners Dough uh-huh will allow you to do just that go dot com slash. Ty T. and you can do unlimited us. A commission free stock trades. It's a mouthful but it's important so keep that in mind also we're excited to let you guys all know about Additional exclusive members only content. hosts mates As I've said before we're on the show We did our second. Annual shoot of hosts mates and it's a lot of fun Oggi's versus newbies with Brett Erlich hosting the game show was a lot of fund fund. So that'll be available for everybody not everybody for members specifically on Friday December twenty seven th at eight. PM Eastern Time Five PM Pacific. Make sure you check that out. It'll be fun all right. Let's move onto the rest of the news and unfortunately this next story is pretty disastrous. And we need to fight back against this because this games the system against Democracy Aussie so hundreds of thousands of voters have been purged from the polls in two states Georgia and Wisconsin and this is disastrous disastrous. Now as we know Georgia had already Played Games with their voter rolls in the gubernatorial race between Brian Kemp and Stacey Abrams James and of course the Republican in that race one. And anytime you hear a story about voters being purged from the polls it's usually because of demands by the right wing and unfortunately more often than not they get what they want. Recently during a rally Bernie Sanders spoke out against this. Let's hear what he had to say. The State of Wisconsin Johnson purged two hundred thousand people from their voting lists and tonight title. Though it's not yet the judge can yet overruling the state of Georgia. Purge three hundred thousand people from their voting lists needless to say these are two battleground states. And I gotta say those Republican Governors and officials who are too cowardly to debate the real L. issues facing this country too cowardly to engage in a free and open debate too cowardly to. I think the only way they can win. An election is by denying people the right to vote. I say to those cowards. Get out politics and get another job. I don't really know where he gets his energy from because I'm exhausted right now and I'm it's incredible double that he's out there and he's fighting and look his drawing attention to a really important issue. So let me just give you a few of the numbers and statistics here to give you a sense of how severe the says says so. Federal Judge Actually allowed Georgia to move ahead with a purge of over three hundred thousand voters deemed inactive by Republican Secretary of of Estate Brad Raffin Burger now. Look this is a game that they play right. So if you happen to be a registered voter who may be wasn't inspired enough to you go to the polls and vote in elections They will decide to Persia from the polls because all argue oh well. This person is inactive. Maybe they changed their address. Maybe they don't live here anymore. So let's just go ahead and purge the polls and more often than not what happens is they might get a letter indicating hey you might be purged from the polls unless you oh you respond to this but most people might think that it's nothing more than a spam nothing more than advertisements. Just junked to throw out and so something. Very similar happened happened in Wisconsin. But let me just tell you how bad this is in Georgia. The Georgia voter rolls are expected to shrink from seven point. Four million to seven point one million according to Fair Fight Action One hundred twenty thousand five hundred sixty one Georgia voters are being removed from the poll only because they have decided not to participate in recent elections. So the look this again Bernie's right. I mean they can't debate the issues. They know that they have ideas. That aren't really popular with the American people. People and so rather than debate the issues. Why not gain the system against the Democratic candidates and that's what they've been doing systematically over and over again so I love Bernie Clip the more aggressive the batter calling out Republicans Great By the way I remember when the media countered them out Remember Chris Cillizza Asking who is going to take his place among the different candidates now that in his mind he had been eliminated you did. Latest poll has Bernie Sanders and his assistant tie for first nationwide will Joe Biden now I says this ties down my I to collection opposed by leading by the way I'm very concerned about Biden's league but that's a different story. Okay but Bernie surging almost all the polls almost all the states so so in in terms of the voter rolls. Here look Why are they doing? Are they doing it in a and how can you tell Spicer. Not so if for example they were. We're doing all these different states. And they are and in some of the states they Targeted a little bit more Democrats but some of the states they tired a little bit more Republicans because they're doing get randomly. They're doing it legitimately because they have to do a clean out the voter rolls every once in a while. Statistically would be spread out and it would affect Republicans and Democrats Democrats equally accept. It doesn't it's they're doing it in all the Republican Areas and the Republican states and in every instance it hurts Democrats more. You're gee I wonder if it's random and legitimate or has a political purpose. So let's go to Wisconsin Milwaukee Madison the State's democratic strongholds account account for fourteen percent Wisconsin registered voters but received twenty three percent of the letters that are going to take them off the rolls. So hey look at that more heavily minority areas that are more democratic voters and they are disproportionately targeted and this Purge what a shock inquisitors over on the state of Wisconsin Fifty five percent of the letters Basically saying you got to respond spawned now. There was going to take you off. The voter rolls were sent the municipalities. That were D- where Democratic Hillary Clinton Al Poll Trump in two thousand sixteen and other wild because it is acidic again favors Republicans by at least ten points so there is a way to fight back against this right so in the case of Both in Georgia and Wisconsin. You have Judge's ruling in favor of what the Republican lawmakers want to do but the best way to fight back against that is to let people in your community know that they need to register to vote. Check in see if you're still registered if you're not registered before it's too late not everyone watches progressive media media not everyone watches media. That actually gives you the truth about what's happening in the country so don't assume everyone's up to date about the news and what's happening to the voter rolls. Let people people in your community. No make sure that they're registered to vote look the Democrats don't fight back so it's only the Republicans doing Voter repurchase right back they just fight back against progressive right but not against Republicans. So now. Here's an idea. The Democrats will never do. You WanNa do vote a purchase. I how `Bout in blue states or most important swing states we control voter purchase. Oh what an unlucky break we purged sixty percent Republicans and and and. Golly Gee I mean we could all stop together if you stop voter. Purchasing Georgia and Wisconsin. We could stop it in Pennsylvania in California but I you know I guess if you want to keep going we New York now. We did it in New York and another unlucky. Just like the Republicans they happened to be purging. Mainly Democrats Democrats we just randomly wound up purging mainly Republicans but the Democrats would never do strategy like using a no no anna look. I'm making a rhetorical point. Do I actually want voter purchase. No I don't want a single voter perch. I think that this is on democratic but Democrats just like complaining about. It isn't getting anything done. You have to find a creative differ for way of fighting back fighting back. The Governor Wisconsin is now a democrat. Look I I don't know Wisconsin politics well enough to tell them exactly which tactic to use to fight back. But I know that I'd give it everything I got and if they're doing voter. Purchase your the governor figure it out but nine out of ten times of ten out of ten times Democrat goes. I can't believe they're doing that. Oh Well No. It's not an oil situation and requires all hands on DECK TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY by the way protecting the voting rights of minorities in this country. Jesus Christ let's let's go. Let's go and they point out in Wisconsin Governor One thirty thousand now. They're taking a couple of hundred thousand people off. The voter rolls mainly Democrats well. Well then they're gonNA lose the next election it's these are how Republicans steel election after election. They steal these elections. They stolen from Stacey Abrams in Georgia. They stolen from her. And where are you guys. Let's go and Stacey is doing a great job of fighting back and so's Gillerman Florida. They're looking to register Mr Moore. People make sure everybody gets a chance to vote now. That's active that's positive that's constructive rest of the Democrats up and Adam fightback. For God's sake we got to take a break But when we come back we have Tucker Carlson claiming that the Potomac is dirty because of immigrants. 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Because you have to have a certain level of hope to keep campaigning like that right and It's a dirty dirty world out there. Now he's awesome Eddie Odonnell On twitter says hearing Bernie Sanders speak gives me both hope for the future and life back to our members. T. Dot com joined to become a member Milongo's XYZ can't read the rest Says I was purged of years ago by Kovacs crosscheck I hate having. GOP Governor in Massachusetts guys. What are you doing in blue states? Oh let's be fair and elected Republican governor uh-huh so that way we can't fight back and blue states either okay genius move anyway. Silent approval says if you're a living person the most important important thing for you in the next year is to make sure you register and then vote literally. Nothing is more important. I mean here we are. Everything's online so it's in the primaries. As the presidential level you gotta go gotTa go let alone Cisneros versus Quay Arn Murray Newman versus Dan Lipinski etc.. GO TO JUST DEMOCRATS DOT COM see. All their candidates get involved. Get involved you gotTa make sure you registered voters are. Anna was thanks. It recent interview with the Atlantic Tucker. Carlson talked about how he's not a fan of litter which I think most people could agree with And feels that the Potomac river is dirty because of immigrants wants and so here's what he said exactly and then of course we're going to debunk is nonsense. He said I hate litter for thirty five years now he said he has fished in the Potomac Helmick River and it has gotten dirtier dirtier and dirtier dirtier I go down there and that litter is left almost exclusively by immigrants who. I'm sure. Good the people but nobody in our country weight I said that's the reporter cutting him off. How do you how do you know there? And then he interrupts and says because I'm there he said I watch it. Okay hold on hold on. Let's talk this through. Did you ask them for their papers. My guess is no. You didn't so how did you know. Oh that they're immigrants. Oh based on race. How else would you know is Tucker Carlson? Luhya white people throwing litter in the In the Potomac going these dirty immigrants. No He's assuming it I don't know if he my what kind of folksy seeing but it's almost certainly minorities that he's assuming are immigrants right. The guy is a racist to his bones to his bones so he when he sees someone that does not look like him. He thinks immigrant not one of US dirty and by the way he's wrong on all the faxes you'll say he's wrong on all the facts In fact the river has gotten much cleaner in recent years In fact here's a statement from the Potomac Conservancy The president We at this nonprofit land trust and leading clean. Water advocate in the region feel compelled to respond to this groundless accusation. Not just because has it's factually incorrect. But because it's racist plain and simple To make the agreed assertion that one group over another is at Seoul Fault for the Rivers Evers woes widely is widely inappropriate and doesn't reflect the true nature of local pollution sources They say that They collect more than two hundred thousand pounds of litter annually from. I'm sorry twenty thousand pounds of litter litter annually from local shorelines in the last fifteen years of hosting acting shoreline cleanups. We can say with confidence. Litter comes from all forms a litter in all forms. What the hell litter comes in all forms from all communities communities and neighborhoods in our region? Anyway it's gotten cleaner so The rating for the river has gone from a D. to A. B. and so he lied about the cleanliness of the river and then he lied about who litters there in the first place a he's just a cloud like what's what is there to interview him about so he can just look. I'm not one of these people who thinks like no. Oh you're don't interview people. Don't give these people a platform no if you have facts. To debunk in real time. What a person is saying during an interview? I think that it could be a really fascinating discussion discussion. But in this case I mean he's he's spouted these falsities over and over again on his own show. We have the examples that we've shown you before in the past hospital. Like what is he going to say. It's interesting or different or hasn't been debunked already know. I don't know that I agree with that. She did challenge. And so it's good to see challenge them on it so But look back to the facts here They actually check the water quality every year. So it's not in dispute so it has definitely improved water-quality gotten cleaner in the last ten years but Tucker Carlson sees a bunch of Brown people around and goes well it must be dirtier because look at all these Brown people and so uh I just I can't figure out how could be anymore racist no way the world he checked documents could you imagine Tucker crosses fishing in the Potomac River. Okay I WANNA see where. Where did you come from? Where's your documents immigration? Yeah there's no way he goes fishing at the Potomac River. I don't even know that that. But listen and then they turn around and go what what what. What what I just called all emigrants sturdy even though I have no basis for that at all and I did it based on race Because I saw them see spy definition I saw them. You don't know that they're immigrants. How do you know? Let's say Latino family how do you know they haven't been here for seven generations. I don't know that and guys. This is the oldest form of bigotry when you call immigrants your country dirty And I mean they've done it to everybody to purge people including Jusin in Germany and then he'll get all upset like what one just because I'm using the same propaganda as Germans before they killed everybody. Now I'm going to get blamed for calling people dirty. Yes yes you are Tucker yes you are so he can go cry himself a whole new Potomac Tomac River That's with so-called clean tears But the reality is he proves day in day out that he thinks people that don't look like him are dirty and that is classic fascist propaganda one hundred percent targeted people and his focus by the way on economic inequality in America is very much tied to his views on immigration. Because what he does is first of all inequality is real but what he does is he blames that inequality quality on the influx of immigrants coming into the country. Right and so it's part of his propaganda don't give him credit for acknowledging inequality because because it's just half of his argument to ban people from coming into the United States right like it's just part of his propaganda. He's not a dumb guy why he's actually a smart strategic person and that's something to be worried about because he's also unfortunately an incredibly hateful person who doesn't want immigrants coming into the country he he in twenty eighteen so this is not a long time ago he said that immigrants make America poorer and dirtier and constantly also talking talking about Increasing crime rate's crime rates are not going up second of all Native born Americans commit crime at twice the rate of undocumented immigrants. They commit crime at four times. The rate of documented immigrants so if there is criminal element in this country it is native born. Americans it's just the fact is statistics now are immigrants like me going around blaming native born Americans these goddamn criminals no of course. Not because you can't make generalities generalities like that but on the other hand. They do it and they're factually. Incorrect wildly terribly incorrect immigrants also pay more in taxes than they get Out of the system. That's another lie that they have. It's lie on Top of light to demonize immigrants because they're racist. Oh my God. I can't believe he call me raises when I think Brown people poor dirty and criminals. Well okay sad day for you because that means if you believe those things that are factually incorrect and and you do it based on the color of their skin or where they came from that is the textbook. Definition of being a racist are well. Let's move on to Democrats and the election because there is a change a pivot in Elizabeth Warren Strategy. That's worth talking about. So Elizabeth. Warren is of course on the the campaign trail and she's kind of pivoted when it comes to her messaging on Medicare for all in fact she's been emphasizing the importance of choice during her campaigning. But there's some nuance there so warned has been using new notable language at her town halls to describe the transition into Medicare for all saying under her plan and it would be a voter's choice to opt in so important context here. She rolled out her transition. Plan for Medicare for all and based based on what she's proposing it would happen in two different periods. I she would push for a public option. So people can get a taste of government run health care and and then she says in her third year of her first term she would pressure Congress to pass full Medicare for all now. I don't agree with that plan. I think that that's actually a a huge sign that she's moving away from Medicare for all overall. There's some disagreement about it but I'm GONNA stand firm and how I feel according to The New York Times. I'm sorry CNN the end For the last two weeks warn has described the transition into her medicare for all plan as choice for Americans to try it. Okay so I'm going to give you a specific example for using this messaging and it was in response to concern by a voter during a stop in Iowa. fifty-four-year-old Camille Anderson told Warren. She was a fan of her Medicare for all plan quote. But I keep hearing from people who are afraid a of the cost and be that they're not going to be able to get the care they need or see the doctor they want with your plan. Is there something you can say to alleviate their concerns and their fears and so Warren responded with this quote. Let's let people try it. Find out what it feels like to be making healthcare decisions just between you and your medical professional and get the prescription drugs. Doug's you need without having to worry about how big the Co pays going to be and whether or not you're going to be able to get the prescription filled and still have money enough enough money leftover to buy groceries this week so that was your messaging Jank due to jump in and do. It's you know how much I like Elizabeth Warren but this is really disappointing appointing Because it just doesn't make any sense I I don't know what advisers are telling her so my guess is that telling her the polling because because the entirety of the Republican Party millions of dollars in insurance company ads in Iowa New Hampshire across the country and ninety ninety percent of the Democratic Party has been battering Medicare for all. It's now getting close to fifty fifty. It was wildly popular was seventy percent when it first came out. It's it's still very popular among Democratic voters but now it's getting battered by all the propaganda from the Corporate Democrats on top of everyone else so they must have seen in those numbers and be like. Oh no we got to start talking about choice because people love the idea of choice right but wait a minute you either have medicare for all or you. Don't what do I mean by that. Medicare doesn't listen. Have COPAYS deductibles and premiums. If you have a public option or you can opt in. You still have to pay if you have to pay you. Change the system at all and there is no choice. You can't choose to not pay so saying it's a choice. It's just factually incorrect. Here I'll quote part of the CNN article here ain't trying to explain what the Hell's going on here. They see the option would be open to many Americans who want to use it but they would have to pay for it. But that's not an option of having Medicare for all that's just not what it it is medicare for all is everybody's in the same system. There are no payments. And for God's sake be clear about this and this has been a giant massive lie not just by the insurance companies all corporate corrupt Democrats or Republicans but by the mainstream media. They keep saying they take your insurance. Your private insurance assures way but they never finished a second half the sentence they're going to replace it with better insurance sack with expanded coverage where you actually have more choice. And this is my problem with how Warren answer the question from the voter aside from the fact that I don't think she's actually fighting for Medicare for all is that. Let's say if we gave her the benefit of the doubt and claim that she is fighting for Medicare for all the messaging. There is disastrous. Because you don't have more choice under a privatized privatized healthcare system. I mean we've talked about this over and over again and Wendell Potter Who's been doing these excellent threads on twitter? He used to be a healthcare industry executive he was an executive with CIGNA. He talks about the myth of choice and I think that he summarizes this perfectly. And this is what Warren could have done right. When I worked for the insurance industry history? We were instructed to talk about choice based on focus groups and people like Frank Luntz. Who wrote the book on how the GOP should communicate with Americans? And I use it all the time as an industry flack but there was a problem as a health insurance. Pr Guy We knew. One of the huge vulnerabilities abilities of the current system was lack of choice in the current system. You can't pick your own doctor specialist or hospital without huge out of network bills so we set out to muddy the issue of choice. And that's exactly what's happening right now. Not Just by Republicans who oppose Medicare for all but by Corporate Democrats who also oppose Medicare for all because their corporate donors don't want Medicare for all. That's what's going on here. So rather than fight back aggressively which Bernie Sanders has done a great job and and you see people like Warren Cave and there's really no need to cave and so CNN is arguing that Her Support of Medicare for all is what's causing causing her to slip in the polls but I disagree. She started slipping in the polls as soon as she started moving away from progressive policy proposals percent. There's obviously an internal battle within the Warren campaign. I'm just saying from the outside of the moderates versus the Progressives and the progress in the campaign are losing the moderates must be telling her our own or no when you said you were Medicare for one proposed. That planet was to progressive. That's why you're slipping it's not remotely true. She's losing older progressive support. That's it's wide. Because she's backing away from Medicare for all. You can't back away MS slate even if you wanted to even if you policy-wise didn't believe it just and and that would be terrible. I think the policies more important but as a matter of politics it is way too late in the game tobacco away from something that you've been saying from day one in this campaign and what do you think you're gonna out Budaj voltage exact terrible political strategy. Do not listen to the moderates in your campaign. They're ruining your campaign I indoor's Bernie Sanders so I I want him to win. But I just. It's like sad to see this unfolding in the Warren campaign. I want to go back to Wendell Potter because the guys in American hero. He's like look. I know how we lied to you. I'm the guy who did it. Okay I saw the focus groups. The number one problem in private insurance is that we take all your choice away we say no. You gotta be an in-network provider. You can't go out network out of network provider. You can't do this. You can't do that. You can't do this. Why because we want to maximize profit and we WANNA make sure you? Don't get care because that takes away our money right so since that was our number one problem we did a full frontal assault on the opposite direction and said Oh my God. Ah Don't let the government take away your choice of wonderful your choice. You have with private insurance even though we knew you didn't have any choice. And so they do these front groups. The industry industry would call my care. My choice and other one was choice and competition coalition. See Their pay to lie to you owners that so they can maximize profit. I mean come on we already I would. I don't get is how these types of PR campaigns against Medicare for all or government run healthcare system. How it actually works how it successful because we all know what it's like to live under a privatized healthcare system where we don't don't have choice? I mean look. Let's say you have the means to buy really good insurance Outside of your employer but even in that case if you go out of network you're screwed and if you're getting insurance through your employer you don't have choice there your choice is basically Dwindled down to whatever or your employer is offering you. There's a new poll out that shows that Americans think that if you do Medicare for all and you take away private insurance that it's going to take away Their ability to choose not whether they go to Aetna big blue Blue Cross Blue Cross Bush. Oh sorry But it's going to take their choice away to go go to the doctor. They want or the provider of the hospital. They want the exact opposite is true. So the reality is Medicare for all. There is no in network or out of network. You you can go to any doctor. Any hospital. I know seems unbelievable for an American but every other developed country has the system where you can do that. They're lying to you. Look guys we gotta do a coordinated campaign because I honestly I don't think even Bernie Sanders doing a good job of explaining this well enough so the the media is complicit. Listen here they are lying over and over again. If you remember when I went on Cuomo show we were talking about Medicare for all and I said you would have better issues under Medicare for all he seemed genuinely surprised is like right. They never talk about it. You have better. Insurance stop. Lying stopped. Allies stopped allies. All the mainstream media makes it seem like you won't have any insurance. It's an unbelievable lie. Meant to protect the insurance companies which coincidentally wild wild coincidence happiness spend billions of dollars in advertising on all of the major media outlets almost drug companies also huge beneficiary fishery of the private insurance system and this corrupt system happy to spend billions on major media organizations. And then what a wild cuisine is every major media organization pretends. So you wouldn't have insurance if he had medicare instead of giving am by the way this is not disputable. I asked one of the top opponents of Medicare for all Senator Michael Bennet I said said if you and it's on tape anybody can see it and you could ask any expert. If you take away private insurance you would still have insurance on their Medicare fraud and he said yes. In fact act it would be awesome. His complaint is he thinks you can't pay for it that's wrong but he admitted it would be awesome insurance and it would be the Cadillac plan. Stop the lies. Tell people what Medicare for all actually is. It's almost as if they're negative coverage on medicare for all is intentional. attentional militias all right We gotta take a break. When we come back a Bernie Sanders talks about deficits?

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"It's tuesday october i is he the nation's top prosecutor or the nation's top private detective we start here washington says okay he actually did tell the leaders of australia in italy look i want your people i want your leaders to meet my attorney general turns out president trump has told multiple countries top to my attorney general a man's home is his castle until a cop walks in with a gun the ones getting killed the jury has the case in the ambra geiger trial police are begging dallas to stay calm an amateur athletes might be a thing of the past board orden solution to joke california just outlawed the most basic rule of college sports and kareem abdul-jabbar called us to talk about it from ABC news this is start here i'm brad milkey are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here that's indeed dot com tom slash start here right now there is a former intelligence officer a career civil servant in hiding lawyer say extremists have offered offered a bounty to whoever uncovers this person members of congress are calling for federal guards to be deployed to protect this person's privacy and yesterday morning in the oval office president president trump said we're gonna learn your identity whether you like it or not try to find our reports things that were incorrect this is how high the stakes have become since that secret complaint was made public claiming the president trump leaned on the leader of ukraine to look into the biden family rough transcript transcript of the call seem to bear that out but there was another line that also caught people by surprise president trump has a second request and it's about joe biden there's a lot of talk talk about biden's son he says president trump has not only is his personal lawyer rudy giuliani gonna follow up but so is william bar he tells the ukrainian president i will tell rudy and attorney general bar to call people said wait maybe the president's personal lawyer really wants to get dirt on joe biden k. but what is the attorney general all during this conversation justice department noting bar learned of the call weeks later and was not involved saying quote the attorney general has not communicated with ukraine yesterday yesterday ABC news learn this is not the only time the president has dropped bars name when he is interested in a foreign investigation we got ABC senior national correspondent terry moran ran with us this morning in washington along with ABC's katherine faulders who's been covering the impeachment inquiry on capitol hill so catherine set us up what are these other phone calls out sooners multiple other phone calls by the two that we're discussing we're talking about australia in italy you remember back in may where the president said publicly glee he told reporters he still wanted to know how the whole russia investigation began he said out loud by hope he looks at the UK and i hope he looked at more australia and i hope he looked set ukraine i hope he looks at everything we're learning what we learned yesterday evening was that he actually you did tell the leaders of australia italy look i want your people i want your leaders to meet my attorney general and i want you guys to help in this investigation so we asked the department of justice and they told us that this did happen it was actually at bars request and it was all all part of this review share my concerns about the counterintelligence investigation house opened in white was opened yes so just in the last week brad the attorney general went to italy nobody knew that he was traveling there we asked the department of justice and they confirmed his travel but refused used to say why he was there now of course now we know it's because he was investigating the origins of the russia investigation terry put that it in perspective for me 'cause a few months ago russia was this big thing then it's ukraine now people are upset with the way trump's dealing with italy and australia i mean what what is the central issue you know they're all tied in at all goes back to the twenty sixteen election brad and that is president trump's obsession because he feels that he was maligned and wrong longed and called a traitor to the country because he conspired with russia and the muller reports said there wasn't evidence to demonstrate that he conspired with russia and so he's on a warpath with now to get to the bottom of how he was attacked and he wants to turn the tables and do launch an inquiry into his accusers this whole thing is a disgrace there's been tremendous corruption and we're seeking it school drain the swamp william bar the attorney general is the point person in the government for more president trump's vendetta why italy why australia will the whole thing began when an australian official australia's top hop guy in london had drinks with a low level trump campaign advisor george papagiannis know him yes to this day i have no no understanding why or y fade put me in the same room with this but when he found out you were working for the campaign he was very interested yes it was when that australian official alerted the FBI saying hey these trump people are talking about they're getting dirt from russia that's what triggered the inquiry and so getting to the bottom of that that's why bars involved in australia and papadopoulos was also involved in italy in italy during that time and so this is part of bars doing the the assignment the president and gave him a said the question really is is the attorney general trying to help president trump run the country or or is he helping him runner reelection campaign as you helping him settle personal scores scores i think you can make a case that this is the president operating in the national interesting no president should ever go through this what happened how's the intelligence community working to generate such such a false story that would be the president's perspective the odd thing is that the entire justice department can do this and in fact there's an attorney who's been assigned by i use journey that's been assigned by attorney general bar to do this investigates wisely attorney general flying around the world doing the president's bidding like this it it is it's unbecoming perhaps but it they will make the case that it's a legitimate inquiry it does happen to work right hand in glove with the president's political critical interest and his personal fury i have to be guided by my client frankly i'm a warrior it's his privilege not mine and we're talking about whether bars acting like the president's personal lawyer the president has a personal lawyer his name is rudy giuliani and terry he was subpoenaed less than an hour before this all broke what is is the house going to try to find out from him well they're going to try and find out why he was in ukraine the president believes that it is god given right to shake down four or leaders for helping his reelection the democrats want to know what kind of documents do you have who did you contact in the american state department who was helping you giuliani says says he's got attorney client privilege around some of that but he also says he was working for the state department i actually found facts that are true the other the guy half of what he wrote is false on a mission from the state department well that means he's working for the united states government working for us there's no turning client privilege around that so it it it's a mess because it seems the president sent his personal lawyer has buddy on what he claims his in official mission but the fact that he was actually digging up dirt on the biden's for whatever purpose kind of gives the lie to that well and catherine if that wasn't enough at the same time all this is popping off the wall street journal was reporting that secretary of state mike pompeo actually listened in to that infamous phone call with ukraine you've confirmed this why is that significant yet we're we're confirming late last night that the secretary of state was actually on this phone call brown and the reason it's significant is because in that interview with martha raddatz just over a week and a half ago he was asked pointblank the wall street journal is reporting that president trump pressed the president of ukraine eight times to work with rudy giuliani giuliani to investigate joe biden son what do you know about those conversations so you just gave me a report about ICU we're pain none of which i've seen i can tell you about this administration says why haven't read that whistleblower complaint that you're talking about so we are now confirming that actually he knew more than he told us at the time he was on that call he was listening in on this call aubrac brad we've been talking about the attorney general bill barr now we know that the the state department is a mention this in a sense the question question going forward is going to be who was on this call who were those handful of people who actually knew about this at the time and the state department has not commented wanted on that in the meantime president trump says he has got a right to know who's accusing him of improprieties continuing to ask also who fed information that this whistle blower didn't already have at first hand catherine terry thanks thanks brad fresh breath a few hours from now jurors will head back into a dallas courthouse and resumed deliberations in the case of amber geiger now amber geiger is a local could police officer she's white last year she walked into an apartment and shot an unarmed black man who has just eaten some ice cream that much is not in dispute the rest of the case will bill that is what the jury has been weighing since yesterday afternoon let's take you to that courthouse right now ABC's marcus moore's tracking the twists and turns of this trial so marcus i mean what did i leave out there what what does the central argument in this case well brad first of all the deliberations have been going on now for quite some time and it gives you a sense of the difficult questions that the jury has to to answer on an off duty officer i thought it was in my apartment and i shot a guy thing and it was my apartment you have a a- an off duty police officer who says she showed up at what she thought was her apartment on the fourth floor of the south side flats in dallas and and she walked in and soon found someone inside man was twenty six year old both from john who was actually inside his own apartment prosecutors prosecutors say sitting down on the couch eating a bowl of ice cream and it's what happened in those moments afterwards that have been up for dispute dispute the accused claim she tried to save the life of the man she shot but prosecutors offered evidence her CPR effort was half hearted and she failed to use first aid supplies is that she had in her backpack did she truly fear for for her life in which she justified in reasonable in her decision to to shoot with him she fired two shots which is what officers are trained to do and she testified on the stand that she intended to kill both john because she perceived him as a threat to kill so that's what the defense defense has really been trying to to hammer home to the jury or what they tried to do during this case a to really reinforce the idea that that she thought in her remind that she was inside her apartment i was gonna say mark a certain cases really shine a light on these laws and legal theories i remember trayvon martin that was all about stand your ground right do you have the right to defend yourself with deadly force when you think your life is in danger this sounds like it's all about the castle doctrine right can you use legal google force in your own house but this police officer wasn't in her house that's the conundrum here right she does have the we all here in texas had the benefit of this law this castle doctrine that allows you to protect yourself inside your home if you are in fear of your life but she was not it in her home whether she thought it or not this is what prosecutors are saying she was not in her apartment that if anyone should would have had the benefit of this is this law to protect themselves it would have been both john if the jury believes that amber geiger knowingly caused the death of both sean after walking into his apartment instead of hers she'll be convicted of murder but the judge has given the panel another option manslaughter defined as recklessly causing the death of an individual the difference could mean either a twenty year prison term or life behind bars if there is an acquittal marcus i mean this is a city that has struggled with police east violence and race is the city prepared for potential acquittal going into this trial there was controversy and about the fact that she was only charged with manslaughter in the beginning that's what she was arrested a four and then it was after that that the charges were upgraded traded to to murder mistakes can be made tragic there are people with varied opinions on this issue there are so many people out here who support amber geiger and feel like she was indeed justified in and made a mistake but that she's not guilty a of murder i don't feel like this one going to jail i'm so angry at ted this whole building down in the event of there is an acquittal or whatever ever the jury's decision is they are asking people to remain peaceful and to exemplify what both john exemplified in that was was peace and in love i marcus more in that courthouse in dallas we will see what happens there today thanks so much thank you brad next up on start here california wants college superstars to get paid and the greatest college basketball player in history tells me it's 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signed this bill as part of a show from lebron james it's called uninterrupted the shop it's going to change college sports for the better in the rule basically let's college athlete to sign endorsement deal so if a college athlete does a shoe commercial or wants to be in a video video game or just wants to appear at the local car dealership for a signing event like the college cannot punish them the NCW which governs college athletics across the country they still potentially can so we called up somebody who would have made just a bit of money when he was in college kareem abdul-jabbar played basketball for UCLA before of course going on to be the NBA hall of famer and eventually the recipient of a national medal of freedom so mr abdul jabbar thanks for being here what was your reaction to this decision i i have to say it's about time you know college athletes have been exploited for a very long time it's about time now changed the classic argument here is players here's yes they bring in a lot of money to the school i think alabama's football program makes more than one hundred million dollars a year they're coach gets more than ten million a year but the students they don't get paid but they get a free education room they get bored with the famous or not why do you think that model is broken college athletics is a big business and the people who ooh put the people in the seats you know the the the football and basketball players they get nothing what room board and tuition that's a joke the the gentleman who runs the NC two a. makes several million dollars a year it's really a travesty i think and i i'm not saying that you have to make college athletes wealthy but they should have a a fair share of the revenue that they are producing yeah how would this have affected your life in college if you had a deal like this okay i was able to get a summer job you feel a managed to get me a summer job through alumni and you know i made a decent salary for somebody working at at this business but you know that had to be in the off season i could workout at the steam plant with the plumbers and stuff during a semester break and make a few dollars but that was it it it shouldn't be that way ah what everybody's relating to when they say amateur athletics is like you know like one of those movies starring model reagan where the you know the the captain afternoon football team has a crush on on on the cheerleader and they beat state in the finals and you know the celebrate at the local ball chop those days are gone that's over that's not amateur athletics right now amateur athletic is big business and the athletes are excoriating for our cover story the UCLA gymnasts whose floor routines scored a perfect ten judges and the internet bringing joy to everyone who watched plays welcome caitlyn but his are like all the student athletes would be making money here right the superstars would be getting endorsement deal so i got to imagine there's a softball player or a diver who says the football team already gets treated like there's superheroes on campus now they're going to have money and power as well like does does this just exaggerate the disparity i don't think it's going to graduate i think the people are the softball team should be thankful that the guys on the football between the basketball team are there and bringing all its money so they can get their education and hopefully they can get the money at the university makes it title nine does require wire there be equal opportunities but sounds like you're saying you know millions of dollars are going somewhere might as well go to athletes even if it's a group of them they should get the team went viral mark effort called me till i congratulate me i'm like should be thinking me okay let's take a look at the insurance program looking for you if you get hurt while you're participating in intercollegiate athletics you can collect if you get into the point where you can't play again this is insurance that players get sort of on their bodies essentially yeah and so many so many stores of where someone certain near a scholarship is rescinded those types of incidents or or commonplace and again you know it's the athletes that they lose everything you have a lot to lose and i think that should be addressed and the NC double a. and the pac twelve conference both came out against is this rule and said this makes it confusing for student athletes and technically they could still tell everyone you're not eligible if you if you sign these contracts but this does not take effect for another four four years lots and lots of time to bargain kareem abdul jabbar makes so much for the call and one last thing for a full hour yesterday the town of independence kansas was basically on lockdown parks schools nearby restaurants restaurants everyone was told don't go wandering around be on the lookout because a cougar had escaped the locals do well here at the ralph mitchell zoo 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Forest Whitaker In 'Jingle Jangle'; The Legacy Of Sen. Joseph McCarthy

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Forest Whitaker In 'Jingle Jangle'; The Legacy Of Sen. Joseph McCarthy

"I'm peter o'dowd thanking you for listening to the here now podcast and invite you to contribute support your npr station at donate dot. Npr dot org slash. Now here now helps you make sense of the world right now. The impact the pandemic on the aspect of our lives the transition to the biden administration. And how that will change washington and america in your hometown. And all the stories from around the country the local and regional news that resonates everywhere so make a donation today and that investment will come right back to you. It is more important than ever is go to donate dot. Npr dot org slash now. We're building npr. And its member stations. Thanks to you now. Let's get to the news from npr and wb. You are tanya moseley. And i'm lisa mullins. It's here. And now the fda says there are more doses of the pfizer biontech corona virus vaccine vial sent out than previously thought that could boost supplies by forty percent. Today and advisory agency is meeting to decide whether to recommend maderna's vaccine for emergency authorization use. The good news comes as the number of infections and deaths continue to rise in low arming rate a third of the deaths in the country from covert nineteen more than one hundred and ten thousand people. Are those living in nursing homes and long term care facilities. There are parents grandparents and community elders. Many of home who live in florida. Nearly forty percent of the state's corona virus deaths were nursing homes but this week some hope residents in the sunshine. State are among the first in the country to get the vaccine. And let's check in with karen barker robbins vice president of clinical services for ordinary cove which operates a number of nursing centers across florida karen. Welcome thank you. Thank you for allowing me to join. Yes this pandemic has wreaked such havoc on this vulnerable population. I can only imagine how it feels to finally have some hope after months devastating loss. Oh absolutely it has been a very fatiguing experience for not only our residents who have been isolated from their loved ones and very. I'm trying for our employees as they Try to work through all the requirements of being sure that we keep our frail elderly safe from the co virus. Let's talk a little bit about the process. Only nursing homes and long term care facilities in broward and unpenalised counties are receiving doses right now governor ron to santa's prioritize these two counties because they're able to handle the cold storage requirements of this vaccine. How is the inoculation process. Gone so far. I had the experience of firsthand knowledge of how the process his going Yesterday because we had One of the first facilities in the state of florida to receive the vaccines. It went very smoothly. We have what's called a strike force team that consisted of four members. Two of them were from contractors from the department of health and pinellas county and then two of them were members of the national guard. They warn you or they give you information prior to them coming in and helping you. Give a checklist to get everything. Set up and get consents from your residents as well as your employees and it went absolutely very smoothly and it was a very good experience for both our staff and our residents. It was a very positive. That's good to hear. We know that florida received twenty one thousand initial doses of the pfizer biontech vaccine which will be distributed among the one hundred and twelve long term care facilities in those two counties. What kind of strategy is in place to ensure equitable distribution. And how has that been going so far. Well we're notified of the date of The strike force coming into our building. They provide us with information regarding the vaccines and consent forms and they put it in our hands to be able to educate on the vaccine. You mentioned the consent forms. A couple of times inoculating. Some of these nursing home residents requires obtaining permission from family members. How high of a hurdle has that been. It has not been difficult at all. it's a little bit logistically complicated because some of our residents are not able to give permission so we need to go to families responsible parties. And that's just a thing where we just you know contact. The families via phone email for their consents but in the facility that i was at yesterday for the inaugural vaccinations. We had a very very good response. We had about seventy five to eighty percent of our resident population accepting the vaccines. What kind of sentiment are you hearing from. From residents themselves or even family members about taking the vaccine are there people who who are refusing it. There are some residents and and responsible parties. Who did not consent some of them just wanted to have a little bit more time to see what the vaccine could produce or provide from side effect perspective but the majority of our residents are. They're responsible parties. That made the decisions from them. Were actually very excited to be able to participate so that they feel that this will help Their lives back to normal nursing homes in these long term care facilities where the epicenter of the virus earlier this year. What is the situation like now. We have definitely gone on a decline in our nursing homes and of course that's attributed to increase knowledge about the virus as time has gone on and of course you know adherents to the cdc guidelines. So we've pretty much just sort of stabilized and the long term care rena. You're probably feeling really hopeful now. It's been a hard few months. It has been very difficult. it's just been very Psychologically draining so we're very excited to be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. With the fact that the vaccinations will be able to provide us to get back to more of a a normal way of life. Karen barker robbins is the vice president of clinical service at orchid cove in florida. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you thank you very much. Ten states suing google. They alleged. Google has abused its power and that it colluded with facebook to dominate online advertising. But big tech companies are also going after each other. Facebook has launched a series of advertisements railing against apple for the latest rejoined by npr business correspondent shannon. Bond blue shannon. Hi there i dont. Let's note that the google facebook and apple or among npr's financial supporters explain the latest lawsuits. Of what does it claim google's doing to dominate online advertising right. I think probably everybody knows that. Ads are big business for google. I mean it made one hundred and thirty five billion dollars almost from ads last year but behind every ad that shows up on your smartphone on on your computer. You know for the ad to go from the advertiser to shop in front of you. There's this complicated chain of technology and the attorneys general in this case are saying google is the biggest player in every link in that chain. So here is how texas attorney general. Ken paxton who's leading this effort. Here's how he put it the free market for a baseball game. Google positioned itself as the pitcher the batter and the empire. So this analogy you know. The advertising is a game google playing on both sides. It's helping publisher sell ad space helping advertisers by that space. And it's calling the shots. It's acting as the umpire an ag. Say that. Google is using that power to overcharge advertisers and box out its competitors and there's also another allegation in this lawsuit that it treated one competitor. Differently facebook It accuses google of essentially colluding with facebook. It says the two companies cut in legal deal to manipulate the online ad marquette. Which is a pretty explosive charge. So what are the states. Want google and facebook to do about it. Wouldn't what do they say would repair the problem. Well this lawsuit just takes on google. Even though facebook is mentioned in it the states are asking for a jury trial. They want google to pay damages. I'm and they're also suggesting that it before to change. Its ways now. They didn't get into details here but the lawsuit talks about structural relief which are sort of changes that could involve selling off parts of its business or making it and your stop doing certain things so That will remain to be seen by court. But you know they'll definitely push for for them to raise their behavior to be reined in and how about facebook and google. What are they saying. Response well google says. These claims are meritless. It says it will defend itself in court. You know it points to evidence of a competitive market. It says you know look at prices. Have fallen the prices for these add. Technology tools have declined In so there's lots of competition out. There and facebook declined to comment on this lawsuit. Google and facebook. We're already facing other antitrust lawsuits. Could you remind us what those are. And how this legal action by these Turn general fit in with them. Yeah i mean there's a lot there's a sort of a scorecard we have to be keeping. These companies are under so much scrutiny. Right now so back in october. The justice department sued google over. Its search business There's also another group of attorneys general that are investigating the search business and a loss. It on that is expected very soon and just last week. The ftc the federal trade commission and more than forty states accused facebook of dominating its rivals and social media buying them up or making it really hard for them to compete. So you know they are kind of getting scrutiny and pressure from all sides right now and really. The big tech companies are going after each other as well. Facebook is publishing a full page ad in major newspapers today. The claims apple's new iphone operating system would change the internet as we know it for the worse What's this all about right. So this is a fight over. You know what would normally be fairly like arcane privacy settings on iphone so apple's putting it in this place this new policy essentially limit Personalized ads that are based on user. Data makes it would make it. That apps would have to get users to consent to share their data And facebook says this would be really harmful not just to itself. I mean facebook sells a lot of advertising but to small businesses that use these kinds of personalized ads to to find the most likely customers And so you know this is just kind of an a challenge in a fight that has blown up and it's really you know the time when they're both under fire over anti competitive practices apple is also under investigation and it's been by some app developers for the grip it wields on its app store and this is kind of facebook waiting into that fight seeing apple a really ripe. Npr shane bond. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me. We can always count on actor forest whitaker to take on rich complex roles from edward garlic and good morning vietnam to zuri and black panther. But one talent. We rarely get to see whittaker's musical chops until now the academy award winner stars in the net flicks musical jingle jangle a christmas journey as girona. Kiss jangle a genius. Toy maker who rediscovers his love for the craft after his assistant steals his inventions and his family falls apart. Checkout whitaker's pipes. Were again try to fix every pot. That's going to go to work. Our spend is gonna be would end but just just to work jingle jangle. Christmas journey was written and directed by david talbert. It's available on netflix. Flicks and forest whitaker joins me now to talk about it. Welcome was great to be with you. Yes so far as we know you for your dramatic performances. But you're a singer to what drew you to this role while there's so many things that brought me to. I think when i met with david yet such a passion about the story the directed and i honestly was an opportunity to do project that was really had a lot of depth and it was exploring Of falling down having lot losing everything in through recovering your family and yourself being able to live again find joy again till maybe we believe in again so those challenges in back that i got a chance to sing needed a an amazing opportunity for me to get to do. Let's listen to one of your songs from jingle jangle. this is over and over. Oh okay oh forest. I read that in college. You studied music and performed in a chamber music group that those skills come back to you easily for this all came back and i. I was really scared. studied singing at setting classical voice. I guess a long time ago in college. So i wasn't sure that i'll be able to this art and play. This character in david was really sure of when i'd be working on the songs qualm periodically. Say the socks. Who i really can't do it and he say no. No no we need to do it that way you can do this and then slowly. My joy just started to rise again more. Moore's songs start to say you need to do anything else you know. And he and he trusted me. I like the sony displayed over and over. I saying Live on stage where we did was started. The scene where was cut when song begins. Just let it keep going. I just got to say it's like two or three thousand film. Can i sing in the afterwards wa was. Who do you mentioned. Pow writer director. David talbert pushed you. He believed in you. That's important for actor. Isn't it sometimes when you don't. You're not quite sure if you have the ability to do it and somebody else sees that in you definitely was you know because you're following the journey. Sometimes you can't really see what's happening in times. You doubt yourself would have. Filmmaker has since quit confidence. You know me for david. He expressed good really important for meals. I wish he cast this private Important for him. That i do. This role could massive vision of what he wanted to be and he had his head to quite School in really wonderful movie and he was able to see the whole that in make me believe in what my contribution was gonna be regards to a new bigger. These types of films This character deronic has jangle is brilliant. Toymaker as we mentioned who can no longer invent after his heart is broken. His assistant steals his work in his beloved wife dies and he begins to rediscover his love for invention when his granddaughter comes to visit and she loves to invent to and in this scene we're gonna play. He tells her what gift that is. Let's listen chai immagination belongs afraid. People can't see what you see. Be afraid if you know shit. That's such a powerful message to kids to not be afraid of their imagination. How important is it. I'm thinking especially in this time. That message of for kids. Who are who are watching this while stuck at home during this pandemic here to know that you did you will be able to move back into the world life that you want to believe in like Is you can trust and enjoy into live shots of feeling into know that tomorrow you'll be able to feel it in a different way for you may be even better way. This will be comes at a time when people are looking so desperately to get through all the struggles the pains of of of course the pandemic in the social unrest and move forward their lives in some way into try to turn it into a positive kids. Need to build to known. Believe that that can. That's possible we all do actually need to know and understand that Miraculous can happen. It can happen in your life again. we're right now rebuilding ourselves to each day's movement towards a us being able to find that joy again freedom our lives back again in the way that we want to play them so i was really really blessed to be able to be in a project like this would make a statement. You know. i'm thinking about something. I read about about why you got into acting and one thing i i've heard you say in the past was that you wanted to explore the human condition through acting and music is another way. It's like another way for us to express ourselves. I was really struck when you said as you start to sing the more and more you saying the joy kind of rose up inside of you. Tell me a little bit more about that. I mean that's that's something that that we just take for granted when it comes to what music can communicate for us. It rises to the level since of ourselves and our feelings because music is like vibration. I think we can feel those things. The shaking of heart of from from listening to different songs in remark our allies at times by with music and we've felt experiences at interlaced with it that particular vibration will hear it again. That song again experiencing re-experience always seem before music has the power to really delve deeply into the soul. Laois to see. Susan appear since you know. You're you're among the league of actors that seem to choose roles that align so deeply with who you are and you've got quite a few projects coming up including respect about aretha franklin and which i and so many others can't wait for in that movie. You play c l franklin what. What can we expect from that character. You're going to see the film of the relationship between immigrants daughter. Aretha about the pushed me hat on her. This sort of thing. Golly like relationship that was occurring between them New someone who has a deep spirit who's connected with the civil rights movement with his daughter. Try to move forward the black race. You'll see someone who like ultimately releases his hold in like celebrate crews daughters town jingle jangle writer director. David talbert has talked about the need to tell stories that represent the way. The world looks that his son could watch. How important is that for you to have a story like this. During the holidays things important for people of all cultures for people call are black people and brown or whatever to be able to see themselves on the screen and be part of this tapestry that makes hannity which is all of us together. I think the if you look at the story that themed inside of the story. I completely universal. I think it's important. I let the diversity gauges in laos is seated fullness ourselves and it's going to make some locates a crowd. They aren the little kids just joyous in the experience as you said this film really teaches us and the lesson for us specifically as that you can reawaken the joy inside of you. What do you want people to ultimately take away from. This fell to know that it's possible for you to reclaim joy to know that With time with patients we see trying to cochet angle spending almost a lifetime weight loss at some point. You know windows. Open the windows. Like part of the door opens out to something very beautiful and if we continue to strive continue to move each step take a step forward in Think that the new steps are gonna come to give joy. What a message right now. We really needed. Don't we forest whittaker. Thank you so much for this. Conversation then cues as you jingle jangle. Christmas journey is available on that flex support for this. Podcast comes from the boston foundation. A resilient city and region relies on the boston foundation to bring people together to solve greater boston's most serious problems from the hardships of covid to fight for racial equity and other important issues that affect the lives of everyone in our community. Learn how you can help build a greater boston. That works for everyone by partnering with the boston. Foundation at t f. dot org slash partner a major winter storm that began in the mid atlantic states yesterday dumped a foot of snow and more today and central pennsylvania new york and southern new england and even though students and teachers have gotten used to remote learning from home. Some school districts have decided to call today. A snow day cheryl stanton superintendent of the mohawk trail and hollomon regional school district in north western massachusetts. Made the announcement by song last night on social media morrow. So you can stay. Cover up your. Maybe all i ask is that you pick checkup shovel. Tomorrow is gone superintendent. Stanton joins us now. And that was wonderful cheryl. Welcome to the show. Thank you thanks for having me schools in your district are fully remote right now but you still decided that today should be snow day for teachers and students. Why there's really a couple of reasons. We still have several families that come into our school buildings to use. our remote. Internet hubs some of those students transport in with their families than some take our buses so with transportation being dangerous right now in the storm. We did decide to full a snow day for our students the other piece to that. We have several staff members that because of limited broadband access at their homes. They do also come in to teach our from our school buildings so again. Travelling during this time is really dangerous so we did call a traditional old fashioned snow day and then the other pieces that we are hopeful that we will be able to return to in person learning For all of our students and these snow days are days that we hope we can use at the end of the year to really celebrate the work. That's happened this year with our students All of the resiliency that they have shown and really used these days at the end where we can be in carson. How much snow do you will have where you are right now. Well that's an interesting question. It depends on what town in the district. You ask at this town playing field. I think they're out about a foot where i live in coleraine. We are at about two feet appear two feet of snow. You include some suggestions in your song for what kids should be doing today. But what do you hope. Kids do on the snow day. You know my generation. We all remember that magic of a snow day. I think we all remember going outside. And just you know. Playing building snowmen. Building snow forts coming inside having hot chocolate. Really hunkering down with a good book. I think just taking a pause and really listening to the quiet of the snow and settling into a softer day. So that we're really ready to come back to remote learning on tomorrow. Yeah you know. I'm sure a lot of kids are happy to be outside today that it's an exciting proposition to see all of that. Snow superintendent stanton. Thank you so for this and i really wish you all the best. Not only on this snow day but for the rest of the school year. Thank you so much cheryl. Stanton is the superintendent of the mohawk trail and hollomon regional school district and north western massachusetts for today is a day. A demagogue is defined as a political leader. Who gained support by appealing to people's prejudices instead of by using rational arguments. Other larry ties says at the core. A demagogue is a bully for his new book ties. Profile to poster boy for twentieth century. Demagoguery joseph mccarthy. The republican senator from wisconsin became known in the nineteen fifties for whipping up. Fear with unfounded claims that everywhere from washington to hollywood had been infiltrated by communists spies. It was known as the red scare. Larry ties book is called demagogue. The life and long shadow of senator joe mccarthy. He says he started writing the book. When donald trump had just been elected tie would scour the secret documents he'd been given about mccarthy then he'd pick up a news article about president trump and it was easy to get the two men confused whether it was the way that demagogues point fingers and create scapegoats and enjoy mccarthy's capes. The obvious scapegoats were alleged communist behind every pillar in the us state department and in donald trump's case the scapegoats were the re patience immigrants pouring across our border whether it was the way each of them aimed a wrecking ball at any assailant or the way that when the news was bad. They blame the newsman. On the news women take us to the lincoln day. Dinner that joe mccarthy spoke out and this is when he basically made that calculation that i could give a speech here they will be boring or i gave a speech that would make headlines and keep me in the public eye. Take us there. It was february of nineteen fifty and the lincoln day dinner is a day that republicans all across america get together to celebrate their patron. Saint abe lincoln and if you're a prominent us senator. You get invited to places like boston and new york or chicago. If you were joe mccarthy in nineteen fifty you got invited to what. His staff called wheeling west by god. Virginia he shows up there that night with two speeches in his briefcase. One is on a topic he actually knew something about. It was a speech on national housing policy. And if he had pull that speech from his briefcase that night. Lisa seventy years later. You and i wouldn't be here talking about john mccarthy but instead. He reached deeper into his briefcase. He pulled out a speech where he charged that there were two hundred and five communist spies in our state department the president. Truman should've known about them. And that they were why we were living in mortal fear of the soviet union. What he was holding in his hand that night may have been his grocery list. It may have been some recycling of ancient charges. But it sure as heck wasn't a list of two hundred and five spies in the state department because they didn't exist but it works so there never was such a list never such a list of five spies they were never that many spies. All the twenty four karat spies had been exposed long before in. It was said over the years in a joking way. But i think it was true. That joe mccarthy could have been dropped into the middle of red square on may day and not knowing how to pick out a communist and he proved that true over the next four and a half years when he would invent charges target people who were most guilty of having had some leftist fling. Maybe in college. But he didn't uncover any buys. He did however make his name synonymous with reckless accusation and political double-dealing. To the point where seventy years later. Joe mccarthy may be dead mccarthyism is alive and well what kind of an impact. Those accusations have on politicians on those. He was accusing on those who had come before his committee and in some cases be humiliated. Lose their jobs. John mccarthy. I always used to say name one person who's live life. I made worse. Well i found that there were hundreds of people whose careers were ruined. There were millions of people who were silenced and still are to this day for fear that if they say something that seems to liberal have fingers pointed at them accusing him of being a socialist and a communist but most disturbing to me. Were the dozen people who i could point to including two. Us senators who actually took their own lives because of what they told us in their letters that they left behind or what their relatives told us. Were absolutely a direct connection to joe. Mccarthy targeting them the targeting was serious enough. The devastation was serious enough that they committed suicide in some cases. Donald trump at press conferences make accusations that he cannot back up and talk about rumors things that he has heard that. Sound like the equivalent of joe mccarthy holding in his hand these papers that supposedly had the names of spies in the american state department do you think. Donald trump has had a similar effect on those people who he has accused and in some cases bullied in public. So i think donald trump has had a devastating effect on a lot of people that he bullied from in congress to people throughout the federal bureaucracy to people throughout the country. And i think we will be having taking the same kind of body count with donald trump that we did with joe mccarthy. How did joe mccarthy eventually lose power and basically lose his life in part because he was so shunned so it was in the most famous set of congressional hearings ever held the so called army. Mccarthy hearings were joe mccarthy took on an enemy that was too big to bully the us army and over the course of those months long hearings. The american public got to see that this guy who they thought was their champion in fact. Look more like the town rowdy and there was a famous lawyer from boston named joe welsh. Who in the middle of those hearings stood up and said senator have you no sense of decency and i think what was compelling about what well said was that all of america wanted to ask the same question. By that point mccarthy starts out the hearings with a fifty percent popularity rating by the end of the hearings his numbers down to thirty four percent and once he lost public support. Us senate developed the backbone to censure him they did that in december of nineteen fifty four and from then until his death in nineteen fifty seven joe mccarthy essentially drank himself to his grave but when we look at the results of the november election donald trump has not been abandoned. As joe mccarthy was he still has a very enthusiastic base he got over seventy four million votes. That's forty seven percent of the vote. So even if you see him as a bully and as a demagogue he's retaining a lot of his cachet so i'm an optimist and i look at the fact that he got all of those votes. Joe biden got a lot more votes. And that even though donald trump will still have a megaphone won't be the megaphone of the white house in the mccarthy era liberals were afraid to speak their minds because they're afraid of being accused of being a socialist or communist the worst thing you could be accused of them so they didn't dare speak out many of them. Republicans have been accused of the same thing now with donald trump even when they disagree with us politics. They're afraid of being named in a ranch or tweet from the president Or call to socialist. What did you learn about how those liberals in the mccarthy era felt after he was out that may be instructive to how conservatives could potentially feel in the coming years. I think that we have to look who enables a demagogue like that to rise to power and it's partly the public that elects them but it is also in the case of donald trump. All the people in the senate and throughout the government that understood the absurdity of some of his charges but never stood up for fear of his political wrecking ball that he would aim at them. And exactly that same way. Back and joe mccarthy's days. His fellow senators only stood up at the end. Mccarthy's popularity had taken a deep dive and even president eisenhower. The wartime hero commander in chief stood up to mccarthy much too late. Eisenhower was mccarthy's enabler in chief. But i think the really good news is that while it took. Joe mccarthy's death to end mccarthy's political career. It took huey long being assassinated and george wallace being struck by a bullet that made his presidential campaign. Come to an end. In donald trump era. It was the voters who tossed out the bully. And i think. I have ultimate faith in the american public and they lived up to my faith in this last election larry. Tight is the author of the book. Demagogue the life and long shadow of senator. Joe mccarthy nice to speak with larry thinking great to speak with you. Lisa mullins finally. That's the word. Many are using the latest step from major league baseball to elevate the negro leagues to major league status. It wasn't until nineteen forty seven that the league allowed. Jackie robinson to play and before that the negro leagues flourished with some of baseball's most iconic players like robinson and willie mays mike pesca here and now sports analysts joins us to talk about this and he hosts the daily podcast. The gist at slate dot com. And my why did it take so long. Hello well in one thousand nine hundred thousand nine. There was a committee to answer the question. Which other league should we count as official statistics and they included leagues like the federal league and some other leagues that some of them died out in the one thousand nine hundred but of course at that time major league baseball had only been integrated for a little over two decades and the powers that be simply did not regard and this is an incorrect assumption. Simply did not regard the negro leagues as on a par with major league baseball. But since then there's been a huge movement in the stats community among historians and just among people who love great players like hank aaron and willie mays to correct that wrong yeah. It's hard to separate those dynamic players To elevate them to this level because they were so dynamic there are no negro league players. There are negro league players in the baseball hall of fame. Already i should say but what does it actually mean that. The negro leagues are now equal to the major leagues. One thing is the record books. So statistics accumulated in the negro leagues through a period between one thousand nine hundred thousand nine hundred forty eight when there was integration in the last negro league world series was played. Those will count in the official record. Books it'll change some record slightly. For instance willie. Mays did play a few games in the negro leagues. And we don't know how many hits he had but we are sure that he had at least seventeen so those will add to his totals on the other hand there are some great players where their feats are essentially the thing of lore and legend. So the great josh gibson hall of fame plaque says he hit about or almost eight hundred home runs. We just don't know so he's not going to jump ahead of barry bonds on the official chart but when we can and and they're still doing research on this when they can ascertain and confirm statistics. Those will be added to the record books. They're only a a handful of men who played in the negro leagues still alive. One of them is is ninety. Six year old. Bill greece and he lives in birmingham alabama and he played for the birmingham black barons Greece spoke with. Npr's tom goldman. Let's listen we would together. Who had good attendances at the ballgames and We tried to help each other greece and also said that he and other negro players knew they were good enough to play in the major leagues or shoo shoo. I did ahead would necessary to to be a good pitch in the stuff to go with. You know that that is. That's really hard to hear. I mean he had the stuff to be a major league pitcher but he couldn't do that because of racism that's right and it's not just his perception or assertion that those players were just as good they would play in barnstorming games and for to make money on the side white players would play negro league players and the negro league teams were good. They would often beat the the wife or the national league or american league teams. It's and then. Of course you had when finally integration happened. All these great negro league players came over and they were some of the best players in baseball. It's not a question that there were absolutely as good at least now. We're looking at the statistics and since baseball is a game that show values statistics and so values history. Great thing because maybe the next time on tv and during opening day instead of the fact bob feller is the only pitcher to have a no hitter on opening day. Now it'll say bob feller and leon day negro league pitchers are the only ones to have a no hitter on opening day. You know the broader context of all of this is really interesting in this moment that we're in now just this week cleveland's baseball team announced. It will be dropping indians as its nickname. Native american groups have been calling on this for decades and then and then the last few years athletes have reemerged activist. I mean this year specifically after the deaths of george floyd and brianna taylor and others. There's always a long way to go. But but maybe the sports world is headed in the right direction. The way i look at it there was a time and it was a pitch demise by michael jordan supposedly saying he said something like this that republicans buy sneakers to and the meaning was nothing about partisanship but the idea was sports necessarily had to think about marketing and appeal to everyone and not get into activism. But you know that was really the exception if you look at the history of sports and there's always been activism within sports and when you have because so many of our sports leagues are majority or disproportionately. Let's say african american or minority when you have more and more powerful people with greater voices. So they're getting paid more money fairly and now you have social media amplifying their voices. I think it was inevitable that the sentiments of those players were going to get out there and so just a sports is a reflection of society. We're seeing players making their feelings known it's inevitable and it probably is a positive thing that said absolutely mike. Pesca is here and now sports analysts. He hosts the daily podcast. The gist at slate. Dot com my. Thank you for this conversation. You're welcome here analysis. Production of npr. Wb you are an association with the bbc. world service. i'm tanya moseley. And i'm lisa mullins. It's here and now

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Operation Confirmation Bias

Outside/In

53:08 min | 1 year ago

Operation Confirmation Bias

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Is it exciting for me and least outdoorsy person who works here. So for me. It's exciting. This is so very barely at outside episode. Gave kind introduce yourself. I'm Rebecca avoi-. I am the digital director here at HP are also qualify because of your true crime. Oh, yes. I'm also true crime author, and I host true crime adjacent podcast called crime writers on that is probably going to be the skills that most applicable. I can't wait. And of course, Taylor. Hey, what's my what's my utility in this story? I. Okay. Are you ready for story? Sure. Yeah. This is story that you've probably heard this was indeed an attack how might have been launched so back like a couple years ago. Mid to late twenty seventeen we started here about this weird thing happening in Cuba, basically fire a sound that is outside of the range of human hearing, a South American diplomats who are working and living in the US embassy in Havana were saying they had been attacked a, well, let's let's let's look at the facts. I think that the facts are coming very clear that this was an attacked. But the way that they were describing these attacks was was really bizarre all of them reported to wrecked exposure to an unusual sound described as loud, high frequency, very localized and capable of following them through a room. So it was something to do with sonic waves or something some of these people were hearing these high pitched noises some felt something similar to that like baffling sound when you put down the one window in a car. Oh, you mean like palatable? Yeah. The one that makes you want to throw yourself out the car they're saying that they're hearing that just well in their homes and while doing their dishes. Some people were saying that there are other people in the room when this happened, but the other people couldn't hear the sound some we're hearing at home somewhere hearing in hotels, some said that when they walked to an exterior door that sound would stop dead. But after these events all of them experienced symptoms. Not everyone had all the same symptoms that they had a similar constellation of symptoms. Sharp your pain headaches ringing in one ear vertigo visual focusing issues. Disorientated nausea, an extreme fatigue. Has Marco Rubio. I know that voice got a bunch of Senate hearing clips sprinkled throughout here. So diplomats were saying we're being attacked, but the mechanism the attack was was straight out of science fiction as to most people. It was totally inexplicable. In fact, eventually the Associated Press is leaked a recording of a sound that we're told is the sound that embassy staff have been hearing. And of course, the next thing. We know it's all over cable news, I can tell you the recording itself as played through your TV is not dangerous to listen to. I swear I have listened to it times. I'm fine. But ready, we've got the sounding Harris sales. God, it's not good. I think it might actually be harmful into TV. So the release of the sound. Of course, does not end the speculation. In fact, that's when things start getting really really frantic exclusive new reporting this morning from NBC news intelligence agencies investigating attacks on US diplomats in Cuba and China now strongly suspect that Russia is to blame. Yeah. So this is where the story was the last time I had checked in with it. I had read about it worried and anxious about this mystery weapon that was being directed against our diplomats. But then this January I saw this article in the New York Times key read that headline for us. Yes. The sounds that haunted. US diplomats in Cuba. Lovelorn crickets, scientists say. We wait don't just normal. Crickets, crickets, lovelorn Minnesota. I'm like, this isn't really no side story. But it sounds like it's sounds like it's crickets, though, just you wait Taylor Quimby. Just you. Trinkets or lasers. This is outside in a show about the natural world. And how we use it. I'm Vince Brown today. I'm going to tell you a story that I thought was perfect for outside in it had international intrigue bad science journalism. Crickets, Marco Rubio, but wound up taking me places that frankly, I didn't expect to go these alleged attacks on the embassy in Cuba have led to a major shift in American diplomacy towards the Caribbean socialist state, but if you just caught dribs and drabs of the story coming out in the mainstream press, you likely still have no idea what happened. This is a story that forced me to ask a pretty tough question. How did you decide what we know? And what kinds of information we trust? Where are you going to run through the facts really quickly? Okay. All this audience from Senate hearings that were convened to get State Department officials on the record about this issue. All right. And I don't get extra points, recognizing senators just by sound of their voice, do I mean, we're gonna have to back. I d them somehow. Okay. So it all began right after the twenty sixteen election, but before the inauguration the first incident was in November. And among the descriptions that they complained up high pitched beam of sound incapacitating sound baffling sensation akin to driving with windows partially opened in a car or just intense pressure and one in January embassy employees who have complained of the of these tax start visiting doctors sixteen of these where identified with symptoms and medically verifiable clinical findings of some combination. Similar to what you would see in patients that quote, had mild traumatic brain injury or concussion unquote and the attacks continue throughout the spring. This is Todd Brown. He's State Department guy after further investigative attempts and expert analysis failed to identify the cause or perpetrator the Federal Bureau of investigation opened a case in early may. So this FBI investigation starts finds zero evidence. Of an attack. But the State Department says, otherwise here's Charles and far the State Department's medical director in early July. My office convened, a panel of academic experts to review the case histories and the test results gathered today, although the assembled group dentist that some of the symptoms and finding could be called other things such as violinists previous head trauma aging and even stress the consensus was that the patterns of injuries that had so far been noted were most likely related to trauma from a non natural source. More confirmed victims start to trickle in through the end of the year and into twenty eight teen and eventually there were twenty six confirmed victims from the US embassy in Havana in response, the MC basically shuts down US pulls out there's like this skeleton crew down their running right now and then in the spring and summer of twenty eighteen about a year ago. We started here from Canadian diplomats said they experiencing the same thing and American State Department staff in China who said they were experiencing it to. Spreading spreading to the Canadians. Feels like a strange new development. So I assume you've heard about this before I have. Yeah. Yeah. So what what did you know about before we walked in the studio today? I assumed because I've never heard anything to tell me otherwise that we are still thinking there some sort of weird secret laser sonic weapon being tested or deployed against our diplomatic staff and other countries probably by Russia. I mean, I never heard otherwise that was this is what you've played is literally the last I've heard of this see, that's what makes me think that this turned out to be as they say a nothingburger because because right now, our political environment is so clued into the idea of tax, and especially idea of rushing attacks that if there was some more confirmation if they had reached that next stage where anybody had said like this is for sure happening. This would blow up much bigger than it than it has been like, it's so quiet. It's not quite so much going on if this was still happening. It would just be like another blip on the news. Radar. What are you talking about? So as this is unfolding, though, there's a second narrative, but starting to brew the patients who were the victims of these attacks were getting valuated, I they were checked out in Miami. But then eventually they wound up at U Penn. And the doctors evaluating those patients started talking to the press, and they said they're observing symptoms that looked like traumatic brain injuries. Now at that time. The only thing I'd heard is that that our government had said that the US emceeing players have been attacked the recommended against travel to Cuba. The essentially shut down the embassy of the story sounded horrendous. So this is Doug fields are Douglas fields. He's a neuroscience researcher and a freelance science journalist subsequent reports put out that that there was objective data showing damage to the white matter regions of the brain. And that's area of research that I that I also happen to have studied traumatic brain injury and white. Matter. There's no conceive a way in the literature for white matter to be damaged by sound. Yeah. Get what white matter. It's the brain part of the brain has gray gray matter. Green matters the neurons white matters the accent. So white matters the stuff that connects the the neurons together. Okay. So here's a scientist. Who saying I'm hearing something that doesn't make any sense to me. Right. Doug feels wrote in opinion piece in undock, which is a publication that comes out of Massachusetts. I have it here. At the root of the Cuban embassy mystery bad science journalism. So this gauntlet is throwing down basically saying that that these reporters reporting on this thing aren't checking with scientists. They're not finding out if the story that you're getting fed by the State Department makes any sense whatsoever. This is the story that I got interested in started by talking to Doug who I have to say is soft-spoken, but he was very certain unless you believe in voodoo sound doesn't scramble your brain. Doug is pointing out the huge wholeness story. The mechanism attack is a sound loud enough to cause traumatic brain injury. But somehow other people in the room can't hear it. Which is weird. So everyone I asked what do you think about this attack? And they'll look at me like I was crazy said, well, it's science fiction never happened. But that was all based on the reporting about this in the popular press. The next thing that happens is they publish the results of the medical valuations of the embassy staff in in Jaama the journal of the American. Association this great big science journal. Yeah. That's like one of the one of the biggies one of the ones you've heard of and and as a work of science the results reported were kind of a mess. The results can't support. Exclusively this diagnosis that they can be counted. For by many other. Medical conditions that some of these tests have very high, false positives. They're affected by fatigue and stress and concentration and these people are under stress. So the the evidence provided in the paper is is very weak. He's what he's he's saying garbage in garbage out. Right. Well, I I mean he's saying that we can draw zero conclusions from the data released. So there's no baseline testing on any of these diplomats and some of these symptoms like headaches or ringing your ears of trouble sleeping. They're super common. So how do we know that any of this was actually new in each patient? But also the patient by patient data wasn't released because of privacy concerns. So all we get these top level numbers. Sixty eight percent had sleep dysfunction. Eighty-one percent have cognitive impairment. But, but which patients had each symptoms who knows and in response to this journal article the signs of a community was just like what even is this thing that you've put into one of our top journals the scientific community at large deluge the journal with letters even when the article was published. The editor of the journal published a cover letter company kind of explaining that this article really doesn't prove anything. That's kind of weird. It is kind of weird. It's a heterogeneous collection of symptoms. There. Other explanations for these various medical conditions. There's no convincing evidence that there's an injury as opposed to disease or aging or something else. There's no evidence that there's an attack. I mean, basically saying that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and these clinical results just aren't doing it. And then you partner that with the fact that the F B I had opened an investigation and found no evidence of an attack. There's an AP headline a story from yesterday, which you all may have seen which recognize the Senator says that the FBI data sonic attack. And I would just read briefly the FBI report which hasn't been released publicly is the clearest sign today of the. A US ruling out the sonic weapon theory. The report says the F B I tested, the hypothesis that air pressure waves by audible sound in for sand or alter sound could be used to clandestinely hurt Americans in Cuba and found no evidence. It's very, gene. Gene. Gene, Senator from Hampshire, you know, just on a scientific level. I don't know if we have time for this little here. But, but it doesn't sound a wave, and therefore don't we have some methods of focusing it the way we focused lots of other. So there are weapons sound weapons that have been developed that have been used notably to repel pirates in Somalia. That's right. However, what they what they do is as you say they focus in one spot, but they mostly just make things really loud. I in that one spot. So so the it doesn't fit with what people were describing because other people in the room didn't hear it. And that's why saying in for in for sound or alter sound because those would both be outside the auditory rain. Right. So we're at now the State Department continues to call this incident and attack, but all sorts of folks outside of the State Department, especially independent scientists are coming to a consensus that nothing actually happened. I wouldn't consensus. I it's just like getting much Messier. And then the Khuda grass is this cricket study that which came out in January and said that sound that the AP released and the State Department said was recorded during these attacks is actually the Jamaican short-tailed, cricket and the Cubans. Scientists recognizes immediately is the local cricket. I mean, they live with these crickets. What it sounds like? And I looked at it. Yeah. It's a cricket. I could tell cricket. So perhaps inevitably you start to get headlines questioning the department story and saying that this was likely mass hysteria would is there is a terrible word. But it's just the word with with really. I mean when we write we write about Massow's, eugenic illness. But literally nobody's head of that. So this is Simon Wesley mostly he works on chronic fatigue syndrome, and we should just get this out of the way hysteria is a super sexist term going all the back to its inception. But the phenomenon that it is describing is in fact, quite real well at any one time somewhere on the planet at the moment that will be episodes going on on a whole day amounting band somewhere and places that I ching Benton, America's seems particularly trying to will. Will someone will collapse in the heat, and then others will start to feel faint and they'll start collapsing. And before we, you know, where you while you'll have to three hundred people collapse on the ground requiring medical attention for anyone years this, and they're like, oh, so they're making it up that is not what mass hysteria aka socio genyk. Illness is whatever else is going on people not lingering, nor they acting even if they Laurence Olivier they wouldn't be able to do that people have to understand his people actually experienced symptoms. They all getting ill. But what's happening is the Simpsons guessing, the Simpsons of anxiety, you feel frightens you, you know, you start to pour adrenaline that causes you to have all these Simpson's, which make you actually even more frightened. And then if you wrongly attributed their symptoms to the poisoning, the pesticides waltz have the room is Kenneth escalates in seconds and takeoff, but the symptoms. Very real is just the explanation is the wrong. Ponente? I can really relate to this. So every time I get motion sick. It's because I remember oh my God. Sometimes I get motion sick. And I'm in a lot of motion right now. And then I start getting motion sick. I talked myself into it. And the illness is real I really don't feel good. But I literally was feeling fine before I remembered that that's sometimes happens to me and this plays into the, you know, the Canadians the the people in China suddenly getting attacked, right? It plays into that narrative. Now. However, the State Department's own panel of experts has rejected this nation. Argued that these are highly trained State Department employees. It's even been reported that some of these people are actual honest to God spies, and they know how to deal with stress they wouldn't be susceptible to this type of anxiety. But Simon does not buy that for second. The problem there is you have the wolves media breathing down on the poor out. Diplomatic factored, and this is going to be very bad for everybody people, then become the story, and he's very difficult for them to get better. When the allegation is being raised that this might be master Steria because they then go around thinking like, oh, they think I'm making this up which just had people don't make up these two serious stuff. But they think you know, that's the FIA. They have in the stigma they feel and the last thing you do then get better because he knows the prove that your real you have to stay on. Well, not really shake. And I think that's what's happening will happen in this episode. So at the beginning of this whole debacle. You've got national security reporters who have sources in the State Department and CIA or the NSA or of the spy agency's who reporting what they're getting from these intelligence sources and the narrative is attacked by Russian spies. And then a bit later once the scientific community starts to weigh in science reporters who were falling scientific journals and have sources in that world. Start hearing something different about the publicly available evidence, which is pretty slim, and so new brand of story starts to pop up one. That says we have no evidence. Supporting what the State Department is telling us here, and there are other explanations, which might be more plausible. And there's one story in particular that that really stakes this territory out from Vanity Fair, the real story behind the Havana embassy mystery by Jack hit, I know, it's funny. This is probably a conversation another day. Just even hearing the explanation of these are. Highly trained diplomatic officers. Some of them are spies aka there in the CIA. That's what they're saying. And. It actually is sort of the opposite of what's happening right now with the UFO revelations and the naval pilots who have pressured the military into accepting that there are you a faux sightings all the time. Because what used to happen is pilots would say this highly trained pilot if he says he saw you all your phone everyone back. No, no. You know, it's the it's the fog of flying. But when you listen to the tapes, these guys are not hysterical. There's they're pilot boys. We got an object off of the starboard wing or whatever it is. Yeah. So we have this other type of journals popped up, and in fact, even NPR got in on this. Of course, the claim was extrordinary ends December twenty seventeen the State Department announced that more than twenty u s diplomats in Cuba had been injured in a series of deliberate health attacks. President Trump flinty. And frankly, this is the reporting track that I was on. I was gonna put together story where I talked to the descending. Scientists I talked to Doug fields. There's good science and there's good journalism, and there's bad science and bachelor. And then there's this other guy from Edinburgh. Who's in all these types of articles just slagging on the JAMA paper surprising, the fun tastic grey journal like JAMA Bob issues such poor record is just standing. It's unbelievable. And then there's this guy in California, the one who identified the sound released as the crickets the recording released by the AP is in fact, a creek, and it is a particular species of Kirk, and I'd have this Corky little interview with him where I call him up. And I'm like, hey, what's it like to parachute into the middle of a political imbroglio, Mr. entomologist, cricket expert, and this will be really fun. If you're driving diesel truck on the freeway, you can Hugh these crickets with all the windows closed as you pass. What? The crickets clips and the Edinburgh. Clipped, by the way, are from the NPR story that was done by John Hamilton. But that in fact is not what happened. In fact, the deeper I got into this. The more confused started get I started with Michael Hoffer. Yes. My name is Michael Hoffer HFS Yar. I'm a professor of Orlando g and nerve. Neurologic surgery at the university of Miami. Michael Hoffer is the first doctor who evaluated the embassy staff from Havana right after the attacks he's down in Miami. And and I thought I would get exactly what I would expect for starters. Michael Hoffer is a bit of an unreliable unreliable narrator. There was this big Pentagon report that he was an army doctor in Afghanistan, and he had these incredibly questionable methods when he was over there. He was giving the troops in antioxidant tablet, for a product that he holds the patents on call physically like using the troops as his own the FDA study group and and similarly when it came to releasing the results from the Cuban diplomats he did it in his own journal. It's an open access journal which of which he is the editor in chief. And he seemed really interested in the impact this would have on his own notoriety. That had a big press conference when the results were released. It went amazingly. Well, there's something called all. Metric, hey, L, T M E T R. I see all metric all metric is a new wave your you sound young the new wave way of figuring out how impactful papers. Oh, Mitchell score less than a month in is four twenty four only one percent of papers ever reach over four hundred in the lifetime of the paper. Because remember builds anytime we have to listen to this. Talking on metric serious, but his motivations aside. His finding was that every one of these Cuban victims all twenty five of the ones that he evacuated anyway, had damaged to something called an odorless, which is this little balance organ in your ear, and I'm thinking, okay, great. All you need to do is like do the science journalist thing where I call around smother experts in the field who know about these tests that he has used and can say, oh, this test is unreliable and subjective, and this is bad science, and you can fail this because you're stressed out and anxious. And so that's what I was expecting to do. So the first person I called Bridget Wallis who is bounce doctor in Texas who has published in the peer reviewed literature about this type of stuff when you read the Hoffer paper. What was your thought was your thought like oh, man? This is something this is really interesting or was it like well. Yeah. But no thought it was I think it's very interesting. I think there's more that we don't know here than we do. But this types of studies are. Promising so Bridget look this. And she said, you know, all of these people look like they have some type of concussion, and yes their symptoms are all over the place, but that's not unusual for concussions. There's currently not one test. That says diagnostic test us out of concussion. I can cushion is based on characteristics of a certain findings. So an imaging like, I said is normal. That's one of the definition of cussin'. But there are residual symptoms. So I'm like. Plot to assess didn't go the way I expected what are you doing actual journalism here where you can gather information and come to a new conclusion other than the one you hope to get to will still still looking to confirm my story that I started out. Oh, I see. I'm like, okay. Let me call someone else. I'm gonna call someone who actually wrote a letter to John criticizing the initial paper about the the Cuban group. So I called this guy Jerry Gianola who actually written in saying that the conclusions to the Penn study were probably wrong. But again, he's like, no there's something there. And I guess at one of the questions, I have is is if you're also familiar with those tests, and sort of how reliable you consider them to be certainly. Yeah, they're very reliable. I mean, any of these tests will have any test in medicine period is going to have a certain amount of false positive false negative these particular test, if they're abnormal they have a very high specificity, but they're not very sensitive. Give meaning you can have pathology in the tesla come out normal. But if they're abnormal you can just about good the Bank that there's some problem. So Jerry was like I I was just writing into say that they hadn't reported enough data or done all the tests necessary to fully rule out a bunch of other possible explanations. But it does seem like something happened to these people. So peration confirmation bias is not going well for you at this point operation confirmation by going really badly. And in fact, so I got really really into this. Right. And that that that little balance in your ears the Oto list? Oh, there's actually a reflex attached to it where you can play a tone into your ear. The auto lift will respond by by triggering a nerve that sends a signal throughout your entire body. And you can just you can just measure the response on that nerve. So this isn't like a subjective test. It's literally like like hitting your knee with the with the reflex thing and people had had literally one hundred percent of these these embassy people had damaged that ODA. As measured by this test. It's fascinating. So I'm scratching my head. What is going on here? What is going on? And I'm like, okay. I really I'm still on operation confirmation bias here trademark, Rebecca. And here's what I'm gonna do. There was this huge delegation of Cuban scientists who came up to the United States presenting the results of a giant investigation that they had done and determined. There was no evidence for any kind of attack. And I'm like, and in fact that messing Asian had come to the conclusion that in all likelihood they were just hearing crickets, and there was a psycho, genyk illness, mass hysteria. And so I figured I'll call the lead investigator of that study because I'll get at least some scientists saying that this is bunk even if it's questionable because his Cuban and politics or whatever. But at least I'll have that let me just play the tape. What happened? Well. Hello. This is Sam is Dr Valez Sosa Mitchell, if Mitch okay, Mitch, okay? I'm glad we could connect. How are you doing very, well, how are you doing? I'm grace. So is this is this. How is this? Your cell phone is a landline. I'm just curious in terms of the audio that I'll be able to get. This is John hand. Okay. So that's better than a cell phone. And did you did you happen to look at the video that I sent you about recording yourself? I looked at but we don't have the iphone here. Okay. You don't have an iphone. Okay. So so we'll just stick with the landline. Who? Hearing phone ring high. That was weird. Yeah. I'm here. Can you hear me? It's all this if Mitch okay? Very well. How you doing? What what wait, wait? Mitch can you hear me still? This is on hand. It's what's it's repeating the call back to me. But just but just his end just his end. And I just sit here quietly. I look at it. But we don't have I fall too. I don't have an iphone. So it gets the end. Hey, mitch. Can you still hear me? We just got to the end of. What I seem to be a recording. Or? Yeah. And. Okay. Hello loops back to the beginning. And I hung up and I called him back. And it went to some weird voicemail that had nothing to do with him. And I called back again, it didn't go through and I call again, it went to voicemail again, I call back again it didn't go through. And then eventually, I call them on a cell phone, and we had the entirely predictable interview that I thought we were going to have in the first place. So this is the thing I like to think of myself as a pragmatic practical person, but my mind always goes immediately conspiracies when I hear anything like this, right? Somebody was there's no way that that could have been captured repeated back to less it had been recorded on his end, they were sending you that audio to technically as an audio production version, we all know, I mean, there's literally I have no idea. What happened all I know is that my phone call was recorded, and this was the beginning of my trip down rabbit hole. This is the beginning. You have me out. I'm very excited. We're going through the looking glass after a brink. 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So I just set this story aside for a while after this incident, and I'm thinking this does not even seem to be outside in story. We thought it was going to be about crickets, maybe a bit about behavioral science, and what it means to be human. And the next thing. I know I'm wondering if the Cuban government is looking at my emails and following my every move, but it was in this period that I realized that I had been in a bit of an echo chamber because this had I been billed as a sonic attack. And are scientists who know things about sound and concussions and looked at the story. And there were like there's no way that that's possible. In those scientists very loud and outspoken and saying that it was a bunch of garbage and the journalists in their orbit, particularly the journalists who are like me, and are shall we say inclined to show how much smarter they are than everybody else had seized on this. Hey, look, how smart skeptical. I am narrative, and this narrative is basically this that the Trump administration came into power. They want to distance themselves from Obama era policies on Cuba. And so when they had. Folks, come forward at the American embassy in Cuba and say that they experienced something a little weird. It was very convenient. So they told the entire embassy staff. Hey, these guys have been attacked have you been attacked, and that kicked off this wave of psycho genyk illness, which then spread to the Canadians and to China, but in this period of having talked to some folks who hadn't affirmed my story, something happened. In twenty sixteen and seventeen twenty five Americans including CIA agents who worked in the US embassy in Cuba, suffered serious brain injuries. Over many months, we have been collecting evidence of what appears to be a hostile foreign governments plan to target American serving abroad and their families. The story will continue in a moment. I'm going to guess that that sixty minutes report with a very loud clock of the background. No. That was sixty percent that sixty minutes. So twenty-six Cuban embassy workers have been told that they were the victims of hostile attack. The Cuban embassy has been hollowed out at the skeleton crew down there. Now, the Trump administration has pulled way way back. Meanwhile, fifteen State Department employees have also been medevac out of China and one of them is Mark Lenzi and for reasonable get into a little later. He was interested in talking to the press took dick. Okay, real quick. Can you just introduce yourself? Sure. My name is Mark. See I'm originally from New Hampshire from Barrington New Hampshire. I went to the university of New Hampshire, Mark. And I spoke on his own personal time expressing his own personal views. Not the State Department's we talked on the campus of the university of New Hampshire, which is a place that he's been getting a lot of help actually from his former track coach and a UNH sport psychologist when I met him. He was wearing these blue tinted sunglasses because he says he's still very sensitive to bright light. He got an engineering degree at UNH. But then enter the peace corps offer two years. I was in environmental engineer in Poland wind up working in Republican foreign policy circles in the Republican Georgia in two thousand three when there's a revolution in that country that brought a pro western politician, Emeco Saakashvili to power and before finally landing a job with the State Department. He worked for John McCain's presidential campaign working for him. I was going to try to be invested or to Moldova. But then once he got that job at St. despite all of his experience in. Russian speaking countries, he got sent off to China because of my let's say certain counterintelligence things that I know how to do. Special as Liam Niessen. So you said you were national security engineer that get what what can you tell me about what you do. Or did what the job was like, no my job. And I still do this. I'm security engineering officer for the department of state, we us density. There's only about one hundred ninety five of us. We have the top security clearances in the government. But we go around and work out of different embassies consulates in a primarily account intelligence mission. So it's to prevent let's say foreign intelligence activities technical activities directed against US, embassies and consulates. So as an example one, you know, just out here like eavesdropping is something that you perhaps working to counteract. That's one of our without getting into too many details, that's one of our main focuses. Yes. So he got the China in the summer of two thousand sixteen and a little more than a year later starts to experience headaches memory loss, sleep difficulties my wife, and I we both. Both thought just like my neighbor who is also -ffected also been diagnosed with quite brain injury. But we thought like her that this was just smog. Mike kids were getting a lot of bloody noses at night things. Like this that combined with my headaches combined with my memory loss things that we just described a wait a minute. This is just this is just from the Chinese smog because the headaches that I had especially at first going back to Tober November twenty seventeen weren't earth shattering headaches, right there, usually easily solved with aspirin, but throughout the end of twenty seventeen and getting it to twenty eighteen these symptoms start to get worse. Mark actually starts to believe that he was getting early onset Alzheimer's, which grandfathered had terrified of. But then occasionally just a few times in the months of being in the apartment here things. So my wife spent a lot more time in that apartment than I did one time, and it was only one time with her. She actually woke up in the middle of the night hearing, these weird sounds that we heard and if it's it's a sound like. I've never heard before that she's ever heard before. But the best way can describe it as a few take eight ball bearing. Let's say about a, you know, inch in diameter ball bearing. And let's see you're over glass, and you drop about, you know, four feet up you drop that ball bearing on the glass the sound that that ball bearing would make as it's progressively getting quicker. It's still bouncing but getting less to the to the ground then followed by picture that ball bearing in a metal funnel about six or eight feet diameter in the sound that metal ball bearing would would make going around that funnel progressively getting faster right towards the bottom. That's the that's the sound that we heard right? Very specific super specific. And this out just like the accounts from Cuba. It didn't really behave like a sound. We are she heard that sound or what she thought she heard the sound of where I thought I heard the sound too was always over my son's crypt. It was always in one particular location over my son's crib in our bedroom. Right. The kind of thing where if you if you stood in one spot, that's where you could. Here it. But if you moved you couldn't hear it. Yes. I mean in the sense that only the three it was three or four times when I heard that sound same with my wife, and we always heard them always over my son's crib. Always in that same room. I've asked my daughter if she heard the sound she didn't hear the sounds. It's so different than the crickets. I mean, what he's describing doesn't sound like crickets, the sound certainly the sound is different. But but, but that's the other thing the sound that people described was really varied. Right. So the recording that was released sounded like crickets, but people people would describe it as like grinding sounds there describe it as a high-pitched squeal, and they're describing clicks, so all sorts of different. And some people said they didn't hear anything. Right. And so it could just been that. There was a cricket in the house and someone felt something and they are like, oh that was because of that sound that I heard because other people have talked about hearing sounds. Mark says he personally only ever experienced pain. Like, what was described by a lot of the employees of the Cuban embassy one time, and it was right near the end, the spring of two thousand eighteen his family had been feeling progressively worse. And worse, they were hearing things I imagine they were freaking out, and they moved out of the -partment in into a hotel, my wife, and I on about four or five different occasions came back to get things from you know, toothbrush underwear something like this one time and only one time out of those before five times that we came back is soon as we open the door, both my wife, and I on the top of our heads felt this amazing pressure. Let's say the top pain. It was painful, and we both looked each other. Do you feel that I said, yeah, I feel that. That's all that's weird. And then my wife said I'll come on, you know, we moved to the hotel because of these it must be kind of in our head literally probably nothing. Let's just get the stuff. We were in that apartment for about two minutes. Felt it the whole. Time. And at the end, I said to her we need to get the f out of here, and we ran out of that apartment because for those told two and a half minutes when we were collecting the toothbrushes, whatever it was that pressure. Did not go that that feeling of pressure on top head did not go away. We went out of our apartment got into a taxi to go back to the hotel. And there was nothing dissipated. Amityville horror house, right? Get out of the house out of the house. So in may of twenty teen marks neighbor is the first evacuated and to this day. She's the only one that the State Department says has symptoms matching the workers at the American embassy in Cuba. Everyone else they say is actually slightly different. Even though according to Mark who obviously is talked to his neighbor about this quite a lot says that their symptoms are the same now, obviously when when news headlines started hit that now State Department workers in China are having similar experience. It was a big deal. I mean, China pledges to cooperate with investigation said they have nothing to do with it all that. And Mark all the while complaining of worsening symptoms gets evaluated in China, and then evacuated in June just a few weeks after his neighbor and back in the US State Department sent him for further tests and treatment at U Penn. The same team of doctors who evaluated embassy workers from Cuba. And according to medical records that he sent me cognitive impairments. Resulting from an unknown environmental exposure in China, and according to Mark he was told by the physician at U Penn that his deficiencies were yearly similar to the Cuban diplomats, and they actually asked to enroll him in a study that consisted of fifteen employees from China and twenty six from Cuba. So so why is why is he talking to you? Seems like a little small fry. HP are. I resent that. I mean, he's just talking to whoever will listen because he feels that the State Department is trying to sweep this under the rug. I mean, so for example, an example of the State Department of what he believes going on here. He sent me two copies of the enrollment paperwork for that study that you Penn is doing the first one says this study is sponsored by the US government. And then Mark told me that he had this confrontation with a State Department official who who found out that you pen was enrolling folks from the embassy in China and shortly afterward, he was sent new enrollment paperwork that now said this study is sponsored by the department of neurosurgery at the university of Pennsylvania. So there some gamesmanship going on here in some governmental office somewhere, they don't like the look well, and so I asked the State Department for comment on this. And I got a phone call from several senior State Department officials who did not want to be named one phone call from several people six people online. Well, yeah. And they essentially told me that the investigation to both China and Cuba is ongoing they've reached no conclusions. As to what the causes were in either case, and that they don't have anything to do with the UPN study. But the other reason Mars talking to me is is that he says that because of the geopolitics here, and that State Department is trying to not endanger China he feels that he's getting treated badly again. Like, I said on sixty minutes. You can kick around Cuba. Right. Our trade relations are minimal our diplomatic relations are such that. That is good Florida. Let's say place to certain constituencies to to play strong against that regime for quote, unquote, not cooperating enough, right? But with China that's a completely different beast in the sense that the US mission to China the embassy in Beijing, the consulate in Guangzhou, these are some of the most important missions, literally the important most important missions for the US in the world. You know? So according to him, they refused to evaluate his nanny who is Chinese national. And who he says was also affected and when he. Finally twisted, some arms to get her into a hospital. She was treated very dismissively, and Furthermore, Mark is having to take sick leave to attend his treatment and therapy and wasn't allowed to take something called administrative leave which is available to the folks were injured in hostile actions. So the Cuban cohort guests this Sarah any closer to knowing what actually happened here. Well, so the doctors at U Penn were quoted in the New York Times saying last year that they believe that there is a prime suspect that prime suspect is microwaves. That belief appears to have come from a researcher, Dr Beatrice Golomb, professor near medicine at UC, San Diego. She introduced me something called the microwave auditory effect, which in layman's terms is the fact that you're skulking sort of actors like a satellite dish and can catch and focus microwaves and allow you to actually perceive certain frequencies and intensities the microwave auditory effect, even when it's perceived to be loud requires low, ambient noise, and the diplomats in news reports stated that these nurses occurred virtually exclusively at night, the noise push to follow people around. But it does for the microwave auditory effect did for diplomat. It's pretty in the in their force perceived to be either in the hat for many people slightly behind the hat or the by the head normal noise seems to tiny wait if you cover your ears the microphone or tweet fact does not and can even the intensified by diplomats reported covering ears or heads, no attenuation of the sound. And it was also reported that there. Laser like localization of the sound in space, which was to define on physics. Let the FIS physics of fans that is to say pressure ways. But it's completely consistent with this excess electro-magnetic radiation. In fact, lasers, of course, art electromagnetic radiation, the microwaves are hitting your brain and causing your brain to react not going through your ears. And so you feel like you're having a sound. But but you're not and this we've known about since the sixties, and then it's not the only evidence Beatrice looked at the symptoms reported in the John paper, which again, we're we're like kind of over the place and she compared them to individuals in this Japanese study who've complained about health effects from Mike with exposure Eighty-one percent, headaches and Eighty-one percent cognitive problems. They want for cognitive pumps. Anyone problems eighty six percents problem? Seventy six percent does sixty seven percent sixty four percent or abilities. Seven percent. Six percent. Tentatives? Fifty seven percent sixty three percent anxiety. Fifty two percent to six percent. So all of a Simpsons that both of them after about. We're very very similar and frequency, and there really is no other condition that has that those sort of close parallel, and you can't find his things you can't find people who are critical of this conclusion. There's this washing Washington Post article that that quotes three of them. One is a former State Department official who studies nuclear proliferation, a brain surgeon doesn't seem to actually study microwaves and one I will say does appear to be an actual honest to God scientists with expertise in microwaves, but but here's my point. We've not done scientific size where we deliberately microwave people at like medium intensity for months at a time. That's not ethical. There's no randomized double blind trials that happens. So there's no rock solid evidence in peer reviewed literature that shows this perfect 'cause -ality. So what if what you're looking to do is call three or four researchers and put together a new story, you can come up with like seven hundred pretty compelling words that support whatever conclusion you want on this, especially if you're in an area science not getting a ton of attention. And if you're dealing with a really public, very complicated political brouhaha where state actors are deliberately obscuring information. Wow. You know, it's so in epidemiology, there's this pretty common phrase that a lot of people say, and you might have heard it, which is if you hear hoof beats don't assume, it's zebra, right? And the idea here is like, you know, it's sort of like. Typically, it's the simple thing. Typically, it's the obvious thing. And if a bunch of people get sick, it's probably not like a brand new disease or something that's never been studied and autumn's razor. Yeah. Exactly in epidemiology terms. And for the most part like it is a good rule in the sense. Like, usually, it's true. And what I think doesn't get set in his when it is bre. It's really really really hard to figure it out because everybody's assuming it's a horse. But but the thing that I'll I'll say to caution that is that most of the time most of the time, it's a horse an often. You just don't have enough information to know. You know, what I mean, we don't actually have enough information to go that far. But like it's where your head wants to go. Yeah. Or if your science journalist, your head wants to go to mass hysteria and crickets. Yeah. And I found over and over like like so many people that I talked to whatever it was that they're in expert in that was the explanation. They gravitated to operation confirmation bias is that what this is this about us. Outside in was produced this week by me Sam Evans Brown. Jimmy Gutierrez Taylor with help from just seen paradise. Erica Janik is our executive producer boring. Mcmurray is the director of UFO's are totally real. If you think that this issue is really interesting you can find a ton of links over at our website outside in radio dot org. There's been a lot of journalism on this subject music from this week's episode comes from blue dot sessions. 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"Hi I'm Amy Goodman. If you're tuning in right now democracy now is probably your source for news you can trust. Democracy now is independent. Which means we're funded by you not the oil gas and coal companies when we're covering climate change or the weapons manufacturers when we cover warren piece if you everyone who tunes into this podcast may just just one ten dollar donation right now? We could cover operating costs for twenty twenty the most critical election year. The United States has seen in decades. I think the the media can be the greatest force for peace on earth. That's how we come to understand each other. If you feel the same way make your tax deductible donation today by visiting us a democracy now dot org have a wonderful holiday season happy new year and thank you so much. I'm from Stockholm Sweden. This is democracy now. We have gone from the the United States government's war on whistleblowers to now a war on journalism with the Indictment Julian assange for what even the government government itself admits that was work related to journalism. And this I think is dangerous. Dangerous thing world-famous. NSA whistle blower. Edward snowden warns of a growing war on journalism. That last night's right livelihood awards here in Stockholm Sweden more than sixty ears after sharing documents with journalists revealing how the United States has built the system of mass surveillance to every phone call text and an email of every person on earth. Snow join the award ceremony via the video stream from Moscow Russia where he's lived in political exile exile since two thousand thirteen. Then we hear from another right Livelihood Award winner. This year's I'm Manawatu Heidar. She's resisted assisted the Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara for more than three decades. Let's put an end to this. Injustice former book won Miss Kidd forced to highway people. Let them choose it as Medicare for all and three college become key issues of the US twenty twenty presidential race Sweden's prescribing welfare state which is supported by both the countries liberals and conservatives all that more coming welcome to democracy now democracy now dot Org the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. We're broadcasting from Stockholm Sweden. The House Judiciary Committee held an eight and a half hour televised impeachment hearing on Wednesday featuring four law experts speaking talking about the constitutional nature of impeachment. The hearing opened a second phase of the impeachment inquiry into how president trump withheld military aid from Ukraine in order to pressure the Ukrainian president to investigate his political rivals. The Biden's on Wednesday legal experts debated whether this conduct met the constitutional national definition of impeachment. Three constitutional scholars invited to testify by the Democrat said. His conduct was a textbook. Example of an impeachable offense offense. This is University of North Carolina law professor. Michael Gerhardt what we're talking about is not impeachable. The nothing is impeachable. This is precisely the misconduct that the framers created. The constitution include impeachment to protect against the one constitutional scholar invited by the Republicans disputed that trump's actions were sufficient grounds for impeachment. This is George Washington University law professor. Jonathan Turley. I'm concerned about lowering impeachment standards to fit a positive evidence and an abundance offensive anger. I believe this impeachment not only fails to satisfy the standard of past. impeachments would create a dangerous precedent for future impeachments. appeasements house speaker. Nancy Pelosi is slated to give a public statement about the status of the house impeachment inquiry today at nine nine am eastern time. California Republican Congressman Devin newness has sued. CNN for over four hundred million dollars after CNN published Bush two story detailing how newness that chair of the House. Intelligence Committee traveled to Vienna and met with former Ukrainian prosecutor to discuss digging up dirt on the Biden's last year. Newness claims this report is false. CNN had repeatedly asked Nunez to comment on the story before it was published. But he refused to do so. The report implicates newness and the trump administration's broader effort to pressure Ukraine to investigate trump's political rivals the Biden's which is the the center of the ongoing impeachment inquiry in London president. Donald Trump abruptly cancelled scheduled news conference and left. The NATO summit saw early after a video went viral showing other world leaders mocking him in the video. which has been viewed millions of times Canadian? Prime Minister Justin Justin Trudeau. French President Emmanuel Macron and the Dutch Prime Minister Mark Ruta and others are seen smiling laughing is they appear to discuss trump's lengthy lengthy press conference and how even his closest officials are often surprised by trump seemingly erratic behavior. The private conversation was caught on a hot hot mic then posted online by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation a new analysis says global greenhouse gas emissions are projected projected to hit a record high in two thousand nineteen. It's the latest study to highlight. The world's failure to take dramatic action needed to avert the most catastrophic impacts of climate change. The analysis comes amidst the opening week of the UN climate summit in Madrid. Spain known as cop twenty-five among the sponsors of this year's summit is an Diese Spain's biggest corporate greenhouse-gas polluter the electric utility provider emits about sixty million tons in some carbon each year the company has received an exhibition space inside the conference in exchange for two point two million dollars in sponsorship money democracy. Now we'll be broadcasting live from cop twenty five beginning tomorrow. That's Friday and all next week tune in in Columbia tens of thousands of people poured into the streets across Columbia Wednesday for a national strike in just two weeks. The demonstrations extractions began as a protest against corruption economic inequality and the killing of indigenous and community leaders. Many are now calling for the ouster president. Yvonne Yvonne Duke as right wing government. This is honey camello in the streets of Boga Tom Lament in my life. I never have seen the march of this. This magnitude and Columbia from students indigenous people trade union organisations people from the health system environmentalists. I think there is a national outcry. Cry And I think that is evident in this moment and fourteen days later to see this square filled with people. In France workers across across the country are on strike today as a protest against French. President Emmanuel macron's pension plan. The strikes have power lies transport and the capital Paris and other major French cities. The residents whose commutes have been disrupted are still expressing support for the strike. The strike is is really for our pensions and I think we still need to fight for it even more so as a civil servant and we're pretty much impacted. In Spain. A hand grenade was thrown over the walls of a migrant the grinch children's shelter in the capital Madrid and the latest attack against the young unaccompanied migrants. The grenade did not explode until the bomb squad carried carried out a controlled explosion and no injuries have been reported right wing. Politicians have repeatedly criticized the shelter in a mob attack. Some of the shelters children the club's last month in India twenty-three-year-old rape survivor wis assaulted and set on fire by her ledge rapists while she was on her way to to her court hearing in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh the to allege rapists and three other men have been arrested on suspicion of setting her on fire she filed a lawsuit against the two men in March. She's now in the hospital. In critical condition. The attack comes less than two weeks. After India was rocked by another case in the southern city of Hyderabad in which a twenty seven year old woman was raped and set on fire. Sparking widespread protests against violence against women in India in Afghanistan. Gunmen killed the head of Japanese aid. Agency and five other people Wednesday in an attack in the eastern city of Jalalabad. Tetsu Nakimora Kamara was the head of the agency peace Japan medical services. He had recently received honorary Afghan citizenship for his decades of humanitarian. Rian work in Afghanistan. No group has claimed responsibility for the attack. The Taliban spokesperson said the Afghan Taliban was not involved attorney. General William bars threatening communities. Who are critical of police brutality? Saying they have to be more deferential to the police or risk losing using police presence in their neighborhoods entirely bars comments at Washington. DC awards ceremony for policing sparked immediate criticism Benita Gupta a former head of the Justice Department civil rights. Division said quote the idea that the attorney general of the United States. The Nation's chief law enforcement officer her is recommending abandoning communities as retribution for pushing for police reform or criticizing policing practices is profoundly dangerous. Yes and irresponsible. She said Florida neighborhood. Watch Vigilante George. Zimmerman has filed a one hundred million dollar lawsuit against the family of Trayvon Martin. The seventeen year old unarmed African American teenager Zimmerman shot and killed in two thousand twelve delve Zimmerman Killed Martin while the teenager which returning from a neighborhood store with skittles and drink Zimmerman was acquitted of homicide. Charges are just in two thousand thirteen. His acquittal sparked nationwide protests over violence against African American teenagers at the hands of police in Vigilantes Zimmerman and has now sued trayvon Martin's parents their lawyer various members of the Prosecution and the Florida Department of law enforcement. For Defamation and quote malicious is prosecution in Arizona the Tucson City Council has voted unanimously to join Pima County and taking partner lawsuit aimed at halting the construction of trump's border wall in three sensitive environmental areas the Organ Pipe Practice National Monument the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge and the San Pedro Riparian National National Conservation area. The trump administration waved a slew of environmental laws in order to speed up construction and the protected areas which are also sacred lines Tana Odom people and other indigenous communities men at Harvard University in Cambridge Massachusetts. Students are calling on the university to reverse. Its its decision to deny tenure to larger Garcia Pena. who had been the only Latino in a tenure track position at Harvard on Monday? Dozens of Harvard rich students held a sit in a university hall and support of Garcia-pena into demand. Harvard created dedicated. Ethnic Studies Department over. Three thousand students have signed a petition calling on Harvard to reverse its decision and offer Garcia tenure tenure and. There's just some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now DOT ORG the Warren Peace report I naming goodman broadcasting from Stockholm Sweden. The Right Livelihood Award celebrated their fortieth anniversary last night at the historic stark circus arena in Stockholm Sweden. Were more than a thousand people gathered to celebrate this year's four laureates Swedish climate activists have to tune betty. The Chinese women's rights lawyer Wjr and my Brazilian indigenous leader Davi Carbonell Wa and the Yanomami who Kara Association. He helped form and the Sahrawi human rights later Menaka Heidar who was challenged Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara for decades the right livelihood award. It's known as the alternative Nobel Prize over the past four decades it's been given to grassroots leaders and activists around the globe among them the world famous NSA whistle blower lower Edward Snowden. Who won the award five years ago in two thousand thirteen at snowden shared a trove of secret documents about how the United States hates reveal? The government was pursuing the means to collect every single phone call text message and email in an unprecedented system of global mass surveillance. What's after sharing? The documents with reporters snowden was charged in the US for violating the espionage act and other laws as has he fled Hong Kong attempting to get political exile in Latin America snowden became stranded in transit in the Moscow Russia Russia airport after the. US revoked his passport. He has lived in political exile in Moscow Russia. Ever since last night I I interviewed Ed Snowden during the right livelihood awards ceremony here in Stockholm in front of a live audience of a thousand. He spoke via video video from Moscow where he's lived in exile since two thousand thirteen. It was something like six years ago that this young twenty nine year. Old Computer Geek NSA contractor decided to change change his life. That young man was you you were in Hawaii an NSA subcontractor explain why you made the decision. Can you did to turn what seemed like an idyllic life upside down and leave your country. The United States. It was not an easy decision when I think anyone would rather avoid but there's a question that we all face when when we come into contact with things that call into question our deepest leafs. I was always very much an agent of government long before I worked for them. Because I believe everything that I heard that I read from official sources because it to me. It seemed that they had no reason to lie to us. But through my time in government as I moved to more and more senior senior positions in worked more closely with each of the systems I began to see more evidence that the private truths of government was actually doing was these things were very different than the publicly presented versions of of it and nowhere. Was this more clear than in what I witnessed in the creation. The system of global mass surveillance. This is a system that I wrote eventually. Eventually to journalist by the name Laura Poitras was totally indiscriminate and far beyond even the very loose restrictions of American law and I think international standards that. We've come to accept regarding surveillance. This was a new system that saw everything that you did and did not care or bear any regard whatsoever to the difference between those suspected of crimes. Those who had done nothing wrong. This is the system the first system in history the bore witness to everything every border. You Cross every purchase. You make every call you dial every cell phone tower you pass friends you keep article you write sites you visit in subject line. You type was now in the hands of a system whose reach reach is unlimited but who safeguards were not and I felt despite what the loss that this was something that the public autism so tonight and as you can hear here here in the auditorium in stock calm and if we could hear that applause around the world it would be thunderous. People are deeply deeply concerned about what you reveal to the world two of the journalists one Pulitzer Prizes for working on that with view receiving the information. And putting it out to the World Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras but now you cannot go back to your own country though you are hailed as a hero hero by so many five years ago. The Right Livelihood Foundation Foundation worked hard for you to come to Sweden until this day. Not a single. European government has come forward to offer the protection against extradition to the United States. Can you explain what you face in the United States. What you've been charged charged with and what that means to you? Certainly no question by any legal expert or even political opinion maker face in the United States is an extraordinary process of what I believe internationally as well recognized as persecution rather within prosecution the potential sentence and the likely sentence for telling the truth which the government does not contest. What happened and here is that I would die in prison? And yet despite that and despite the threats that it those in Europe who have offered me support and government have faced when they tried to cross that line and officially protect me which I think is something that we all regret and we would like to see change in the future when we look at that dynamic when we look at this current status quo the fear fear consumes even the allies of the people and government of the United States. When it comes to standing for for protecting people who tell the truth? I think everyone who looks at this realizes this is an extraordinary moment in our history. One of the core pillars of the modern system of the world the institutional standards and structures that the United added states itself designed. It is now actively working to pose is those institutions insulate their critics critics. And I think that's a very dangerous thing and this is the thing it's not about me doesn't matter what happens to me. I've done my part I've Said said my piece. I could be the best person on earth. I could be the worst person in history and it's not gonNa make a difference to your tomorrow. But what will he's if people can tell the truth to the public about the most material facts and programs and policies that affect our lives every day do you currently have Julian assigned should a maximum security prison in England facing one hundred seventy five years for espionage in the United States. You have Chelsea same manning back in jail in the United States. You concerned that you won't face a fair trial in the United States can you. We're spawned in all of these cases you all among the most famous whistle blowers in the world. When when you look at my case and the manning case but before me when you look at the Ellsberg case going all the way back to the nineteen seventies ah there are all derived from the same law under which Julian assange who it should be? Clear owes no allegiance to the United States. He's not a US citizen. He's simply glee a publisher working news. They've been charged under this espionage. ACT This is a special law that absolutely rules out any kind of fair fair trial going back to one thousand nine hundred seventy s when Ellsberg tried to tell the jury why. He did what he did his lawyer. You're asked him Mister Ellsberg. Why did you copy the Pentagon papers? which was the secret history of the? US's true involvement in in the Vietnam War. The prosecutor for the government said objection. This is not something. The jury's allowed to hear and the judge agreed with it he silenced Ellsberg and he silenced our ability to hear why these things were done and for the jury to consider not only. Was this legal. But was it moral and this I think is the sad history of the United States government's relationship to the press in and blast decade. They have been more and more concerned but what is legal. Then what is moral. And what began with Ellsberg is an extraordinary eric case against a lone individual which challenge the government's involvement in the war which challenged by a new generation of whistleblower like Chelsea Manning who revealed torture and war crimes indefinite detention on the part of the United States. Government in places like Iraq and Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay in Cuba My own involvement in the revelation of global mass surveillance and in every case we were charged under this same same law that forbids the jury to consider if this was something that did more good for the public to know than it did harm armed to the government in terms of inconvenience or theoretical risks of investigative journalism in a free society. And this is where we get to this crucial crucial part in this story. We moved from an individual and exceptional case that was not repeated for decades and decades in the ellsberg instance to something that under the Obama Administration. He charged more sources of journalism using this special law than all other presidents in the United States history history of the United States combine and now under the trump administration. We have taken one more step. We have gone from the United States government's war on whistleblowers whistle blowers to now a war on journalism with the indictments Julian assange for what even the government itself admits was work related to journalism. And this I think is a dangerous dangerous thing not just for us not just for Julian assange but for the world world and the future if we allow developed democracies to imprison their political critics and dissidents to people who call into question the legality propriety the morality of their policies and the prosecution of their wars we will embolden olden the most authoritarian regimes on earth. And we will be the ones who are children question when they asked how the world that they were Uh inheriting came to be. That's two thousand fourteen right livelihood. Laureate an essay whistle blower Edward snowden wouldn't speaking from Moscow at last night's right livelihood awards here in Stockholm Sweden. He couldn't join us because he's in political exile As he faces espionage charges in the United States coming up. We'll speak to one of this year's winners that's Sahara. Human Rights leader Manatt not too high. Dr Who's led a decades long peaceful campaign to resist the Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara. Often called Africa's last colony. Stay with us Trudging through the midst. mm-hmm following the creeks erasing them liason. List two thing reading reading Rawson died from telling go from Scattered rays from the UH in the chain with the ink of a ghost by the Argentine Swedish folk singer Sakon Sakon solace singing last night at the right livelihood awards ceremony in Stockholm Sweden. To see the whole ceremony. You can go to democracy. We now dot Org yes. This is democracy now democracy now DOT ORG the Warren Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. We're broadcasting from open channel in Stockholm Sweden Sweden where democracy now broadcasts every weekday. But we turn now to one of the winners of this year's right livelihood award this Sahara Human Rights leader Manatt to Heidar for over three decades high has led a peaceful campaign to resist. The Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara often called Africa's last colony Morocco go is occupied Western Sahara small region just south of Morocco in North West Africa since nineteen seventy five in defiance of the United Nations nations and the international community thousands of been tortured imprisoned killed and disappeared while resisting the occupation peaceful protesters led by women. Men are routinely beaten in the streets. Despite this violent repression I'm an to Heidar has led countless hunger strikes and demonstrations and unflinchingly documented commended the abuses against the Saharawi people for more than thirty years. She's a former political prisoner who was jailed for four years in a secret prison. And and granting her the award the Right Livelihood Award Foundation cited her quote steadfast non-violent action despite imprisonment and torture in pursuit of justice listen self determination for the people of Western Sahara. I sat down with MANAWATU. Hi Dr just before. She won the right Livelihood Award and I began by asking her to explain what's happening and occupied Western Sahara Duardo Let's see I would want to let them. We know about this situation of my people people. It's the people of his bed. His separated one under Moroccan occupation Q.. Patient and the other one aimed so high we camps they live in difficult conditions was and it while I I come from the occupied territory. Under Moroccan occupation Western Sahara is an ex colony is ex-spanish last colony in Africa. Since seventy five is occupied by by the Kingdom of Morocco. This has been a tragedy for us led to a lot of suffering privation of our rights rides torture disappearance lab arbitrary detention the deprivation of social economic cultural political glides. I have spent four years of my life. I bounded prison a secret prison without without having had a trial. Nothing good luck. Billiard is during that old period was cut from the outside world no connection with with my own family but my case is not unique. One zooms on it is similar to dousing hundreds of Sir. My Land Men and women in Western Sahara obsolete is your territory where international observers or not welcome it is forbidden to them to have access to Western Saharan leased. When and they are delegations of journalists? Alamo civil society is resolve the military. They are expelled from Western Saharan days ago. Parliamentary at parliamentarian delegation from the Basque Country Countries in in Spain couldn't get out of the plane and they were expelled to the Canary Islands male. Co Mental but at the same time develops your Saturday presser. We're talking about mail violation about repressing repressions. But we must also also talk about our resistance determination. We are determined to continue our peaceful old struggled to make sure that our alleviates rights to freedom and independence are fulfilled an act to. Can you tell us your personal in all story where you were born where you grew up and then what happened to you just we three. I was born C Komo in the south of Marocco of ASCA model in a county that unfortunately I have never seen a ought to. Today I grew up in Western Sahara in the occupied territories. On this I grew up on does do bombs in a situation of war and then explain what happened to you how you became active when you were first imprisoned alleged to canzone when it was fifteen years old. I started to understand that there was a war on Komo started to understand that my people was separated in to two territories. That's funny I started to understand that part of my family is it. It was in refugee can also they had to free for their life common from Ben on more Tudela because since affair all of suffering grew being being me. I wonder what I could do to help my people in when I was seventeen. More comparable Citius young. I really understood the situation on on on casual Komo and by started to commit myself for the struggle for my people and time. It wasn't possible old to be an activist publicly zoo infasang. This had to so I was being discreet. I was hiding myself. Just like all my compatriots dogs. I was studying in high school and when I turned twenty Comisiones Osceola Zini Commission of UN. Of the AH the previous African organization Pawsox al-always going to visit on Western Sahara's the it was eighty seven a referendum voice to be organized together with other students we took the decision organization and in Guangzhou organized big demonstration on massage. To make sure that I'll equity message would be heard to make sure that our voices will be. We heard to people that we wear here in Western Sahara that we wanted our freedom that were against Moroccan occupation and also share to bow help. Our parents are robbers who had disappeared since a lot of one. Seventy six six before. The arrival of this commission Malka the Moroccan Jose Government of Victory Kidnapping connecting and I was victim of this crime against humanity. I was twenty years old surveyed on this. You won't day and my is where bounded byles. Okay I wasn't a secret. Prison lecturer tortured Maginot imagined. It's a tiny me doing four years not seeing anything hedley media shock over. Imagine being humiliated position psychology collage psychological physical torture US sexual violence attempt against my alive. I had no connections. What so ever to the outside world more no contact with my family no sentences no new trial nothing and so how ultimately were you freed community catava tones in ninety-one ninety-one Gaza thing thanks? Jen didn't cease agreement. That was signed talk by Marocco that was also Fox the occupying power and the Polisario Front on the Fed which is represented very presented from et Cetera. We- People Pamela says that these agreement the ceasefire was included for the bean. Liberation of political detainees and Wa- prisoners exchange of prisoners and thanks to that lever. I was liberated together with a group of Saturday. We got three hundred twenty. Four people captors and among them seventy four women on now all wanted to rule of soft key- Coney. The we know that that more than five hundred Sahara we are still. We still don't know where they are. They are still the victims of disappearance. So how long have you been imprisoned and was for that one time or were you picked up again on an all. GTO Z.. Donavan on I was detained again in your firearm and spent a month in in prison. He is actually because of my opinion once. We were liberated. Was it that you're was it your sauteed where I saw. We had left a smooth Chris. Clausen gone to find the big prison and open sky. Prison Oswego police in Western Sahara. So the police was after us the White House we stelvio they would ask about different question. We couldn't travel abrode design. Personally I spent his without having traveling documents. Two Thousand and five things to the intervention of the State Department the American State Department. Ideally after the visit of an American delegation on in dot this delegation me other activists is on is and by. The way has learned that. I didn't have any passports in that. That was the case of other intervened in a few months after that anymore. Moroccan thirties gave me trouble documentaries on walkway but a month after that L.. MONTALVA on plenary. They beat me in the middle of the street in more aspect. They they arrested me is Sola Buzz than those foxy and and on wrong roussel's option of forcing accusations forth charges version. The MAHO car broken statue urge ordered my arrest and I was sent to prison geographic and not hope hope and I was wrong on a trial with another group of Human Rights Defenders City. o'cl financed bad. Santa after the Intifada was launched the series of over one L. peaceful demonstration for the independence of these Saharawi people. It was thanks also to us. As human rights defenders succeeded his a how to make the situation of the Sahara we known this situation of Wa. Our occupation. See we manage to me. How Eh voices heard and and so how? We left a situation of terror that Morocco had kept upon them him the Disney during the glass on him twenty years thirty years. It's thanks to us that the high we follow peaceful struggle to demand their rights without without using violence so with Malcolm we can disturb the Moroccan government so if we arrested gain because they wanted to scare other Sahara and they wanted to make sure that they would be as many protesters they they were at the time when we were in Western Sahara when we were in Lyon we activists like Sultana Haya who had her. I Gouge doubt by Moroccan. Moroccan police Meena Bali who was beaten in a demonstration along with Sultana and others are women particularly targeted. And how are they dealt with. We had video of them being sexually abused in the street by the security forces. We continue detailer taller. More or less. As seed earlier my case is not unique Sutan Mariah a young CETERA. We- woman sacrificed one of and the only crimes she committed. Was that this author. She demanded Dominic purcell the right of independence for her people's same thing for me. I'm barely and today. We have another woman a young said I we who has two children and she is imprisoned today. She was sentenced to six months in prison listened because she protested against a force trial a against her cousin. Those are we women of victims victims of repression. They are courageous women. They are determined. We are exception in the Arabic. RIBIC muscling world because we are respected within our society DOS death we are in the struggle nothing stops and the set i. We had a woman of La La Vista it is seen as the spine of the Pacific resistance the driving force of the struggle sheet. The software is an has been present in the struggle in the occupied territories in the refugee camps sitting. God the bill and it has a lot of value nippy Occidental Glove pond the Western countries must acknowledge this. What are you demanding? Now may my bill. I'm calling upon the international community Dassanayake. That should apply international low. The United Nations should be coherent with their values the reason why they were funded satanic et cetera calls the injustice against her US happens because some international autopay powers are acting act with complicity. So my message is let's is put an end to our sufferings as far as let's put an end to this injustice body loudwar. Let's give voice to highway people. Let them choose their future. A A massage and my message earlier sickly for everything with the morning therefore issues that the situation is serious. Serious we need to avoid war because youngster highway today do not believe in a peaceful struggle anymore you saw the minds around then. The terrorists all random if ally more nervous paid needs to guarantee our rights. We are the people that deserves to be free in our because of our values we we are courageous. People not determined people. We have conducted a peaceful struggle since the ceasefire during twenty eight years. Now purpose will people that respect other religions some epithelial layer tolerant people who coexist we believe in coexistence we believe in democracy in equality between genders. Soon what Motari. We have a moderate form of Islam. I suppose think that legality at Soi up Nikki international law should be applied as soon as possible the U. N. special l'envoi to Western Sahara hearst. Colour quit his post in May the UN has taken a step back clearly in resolving the conflicts. What prospects are there for a resolution exact two more executive blake? That's why I'm concerned that's one worries me. Most of all your personal clue form of. They won't be shots. Envoy Hans Connell also made sure that things started to go forward in that is also. The case of the American Freakin for us is that they managed to make sure that negotiations. We the stood way down but they didn't get the support staff that was if we saw did Mondiale they didn't have support all all of the international community states and France Gall. Pablo Franz is our big problem in the block. Because they don't they blocked the peace process in Western Sahara in Atlanta allows you some more dimond deliverance. One Me News shows to get a greater mandate one so that demeanor so can monitor human rights Jewish. Why more Leonardo's Zinni girl really urge the United Nation Talk to nominate as soon as possible. Another special was saying Voi- to start negotiations again to make shoes. Who's that we find a peaceful solution? The Polisario Front is holding its Fifteenth Congress us on December Twenty First Nineteen through twenty first the first under its new president. Brahim Gali the leadership. Your ship has accused Morocco of blocking solution to the conflict and says it's reviewing the ceasefire That has been in effect and that all options are on the table. Do you think there's a policy. The possibility the Polisario will pick up arms return to war. And what would this mean. Milos hubbub unfortunately in Puerto. Civil over. Slowly Sell Your Front is under the Fisher House. You're young generations. La La pressure under the pressure. Bodily Zhen contravenes yield are do not believe to use a false alarm peacefeul fool fighting more peaceful struggle anymore. He's the reason why can fly to say that measures should be taken to avoid Ding Ding. And you wore. We're now in Sweden which was poised to recognize the Saharan government until Morocco blocked the grand opening of the famous famous Swedish company Kia and then Sweden backed down. How unusual is this? Yes and how does Morocco influence these kinds of decisions. What did that mean to you? We are now news avant usual Sia do not power the Purple Suede. We've always been supported by the Swedish people in by the Swedish government Aw Lachey do swift was it says. Swedish attitude is a friendly one. I can't hide that. I'm very disappointed in all my compatriots are disappointed. It because after the decision of the Swedish parliament in two thousand twelve a decision to recognize the Arabs had I we democratic republic. Look what happened. The Poverty Swedish government didn't stopped the decision of the parliament to never reconized. These I we republic after precious from Miracle Sissay all under my Lee Majdal assiette and that was detrimental to the image of Sweden if I more similar who Pity to see a democratic country like Sweden said L. of Allante keeping away to the pressure of an occupying power or the the extreme solicit Harry and not supporting the victim of the Sahara with people cannot buy a suspect notch caring about the low not respecting the will of the Swedish people because the parliament represents the voice of the Swedish people on the phone. And that was my message today. That's right livelihood laureates Sahara human rights leader not to Heidar. She was celebrated Wednesday night for for decades of resistance against the Moroccan occupation of Western Sahara goody democracy now dot org to see our hour long documentary four days in occupied Western Sahara Africa's last colony when we come back is Medicare for all in free college and become key issues of the US. Twenty twenty presidential race we'll look at Sweden's thriving welfare states date. Stay with us. It all starts squibb. One everything comes gruesome it all starts with moon style style with F. They come from no it all Bluestar father do you ooh. That's Norwegian songwriter. vocalist guitarist Anna Brune performing one at the right livelihood awards ceremony Wednesday night here in Stockholm to see all the performances and all the speeches of the right livelihood laureates go to democracy now dot org. This is democracy now democracy now dot Org Org the Warren piece reports. I made me Goodman. We're broadcasting from Stockholm Sweden from the open channel as Democratic presidential candidates debate medicare for all and making public higher education free. We turn now to look at how Sweden has built one of the world's most extensive social welfare systems here in Sweden. Healthcare costs are largely subsidized by the state daycare and preschool programs or mostly free. Higher Education is free. Public transportation is subsidized for many users. Look at how Sweden doesn't we're joined by. Makoto involve he's Swedish author and journalist focusing on economic issues. That's then Scott Dog Planet. A Stockholm daily his most most recent book is titled. Who should pay for welfare? McCall welcome to democracy now great to have you with us so we just have a few minutes here to explain a lot of issues that I think are very misunderstood in the United States. You've lived in the US. You live here in Sweden talk about Medicare for all talk about your healthcare system. How is it paid for the so? It's almost entirely paid for by Texas. I don't know that scares a lot of you guys about The thing is we pay for me at least as I pay almost equivalent in healthcare Texas. Then you would pay via your employer for health insurance but also get by. That is that I don't I don't have any copayments. Do talk about. It's the maximum co payment for healthcare in Sweden. A few hundred dollars a year. Explain your own personal l. situation what happened with your daughter. Yeah that's happened a few years ago before we moved to the US. She got ill and she had a brain tumor fortunately not a deadly deadly one You could operate on by one of the best soldiers in Europe Russia. She was twelve. She got excellent care. Afterwards we status Zeta family at the hospital with her for a week and she then had follow up cares for several years she had to go to Dr every every few months and and we paid nothing for that. 'cause she should she's a child until eight. You don't pay anything for healthcare so then you come to the United States in your shock and what happened there. What she needed for some reason she needed to go to hospital in ambulance the and they asked? What healthcare company do you have an from Sweden editor smaller? One that wasn't covered at I had to pay with a credit card to get to the hospital. So you're watching the presidential debates every corporate network attornal Ists who host one of these debates. They usually ask questions about healthcare and they say. Are you going to raise taxes. Talk about how the Swedish people feel about this because you're talking about an issue that Unites Nights people across the political spectrum sweet. Yeah nobody don't even the most conservative parties would like to get rid of this system and I think there are two reasons for that one is that or to misconceptions exceptions also in the. US One is that it costs us a lot of money in terms of taxes. Yes it does. We pay way high taxes in Sweden than in the US but we're ways lower lower expenses for copayments healthcare health insurance daycare saving for college. And we don't need to bother about that so the higher taxes for most people is more than offset by lower costs for other stuff. So you say this Sweden far more competitive while the US says says No. This is much too expensive. Say It's too expensive not to do this. I would say at least it would make a company more competitive to make sure that everybody who is smart enough has pass access to the best education and everybody who needs healthcare gets that inspired because then they would be able to be be part of the workforce instead of worrying about about health and everybody else in the West need to compete with a better Meta companies in China in India. And the best way to do that is not north with the unhealthy under educated population. Talk about school. You have Bernie Sanders and some others trucking back free college. We you have free college so we don't pay any Jewish for any university in Sweden and even the best ones that could compete in a global level. You can't have an attrition which means that not everybody who is has the grades to join these universes can do it and they obviously then takes jobs in our global accompanies and helps them compete on a global scale and talk about overall welfare the issue. And what you think are the greatest misconceptions about Sweden. Well sometimes sometimes they describe Sweden as the paradise that everything was perfect in Sweden. It doesn't you need to to understand that. Not Everything doesn't work perfectly but there is a different different. You don't need to worry too much about money. Everybody can send their kids to daycare. Because it's affordable. Nobody needs to work a wheel. I go bankrupt if I get sick doc because healthcare is almost free. And if you're smart enough and started hard enough in high school you will be able to to go to university answer questions here like why I should rich kids go to school for free. That is a debate. That is not easy. Some people would say that. Why should they about two we? We decided I guess. Basically it's the only way to to make it simple. Everybody has access to the basic part of welfare as we see it rather other than chicken green company. Because let's open up all kinds of cheating. Well I wanNA thank you so much for joining us. Mikhail turn Swedish author and journalist focusing on focusing racing on economic issues. That Svenska Dagbladet a Stockholm daily. And that does it for our show If you want to see our three days of coverage from here here in Stockholm Sweden go to democracy now dot org special thanks to Stockholm's open channel Stockholm's only independent grassroots noncommercial. TV Station committed to free speech. Speech the Youth Nick Cannon Carries Democracy now four times per day and we WanNa thank our crew here Lars Erik Neiman. Who is the chair of the open? I'm channel Larry. Berger Peter Karlsson Nia hook felt can fear stunt and Jacobi Evanston special. 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"I'm Esther Armah. Welcome. You're listening to this spend. Coming up. It's all re imagining Africa series. We celebrate Africa day the founding of the United nation of African Unity now known as African Union in may nineteen sixty three him spin. We're hearing from African women, leading, thriving, and re imagining sectors, right here in Ghana across Africa. And in the dice, bore this week, it's all about education teaches learners parents schools school, principals education in Ghana and across Africa is one of this and so much. Teach you the teacher whose vision of education, leads in out, Crossman. How does policy help hinder? What does visionary leadership in education? Feel and look like we're talking high schools. What role has colonialism's legacy played in shaping modern day -education here in Ghana and across Africa, education is revered across Africa from elementary school genius school, high school and university. The heart of learning is a crucial and challenged one today show where exploring visionary learning with a woman who is re imagining education, hearing, Donna and across Africa, our guest this week is Dr Mary. All of that coming up on the spins re imagining Africa. Thank you. More than anything. Improves I watch on. Tell me, how many countries, do you think already Africa? And how many cultures Fred across the aspirin. To learn in populations we are not much, there are so many countries on the African continent. Many more cultures that these countries represent. How much of the African nations and the diversity thump in their great civilisation begin? Join Guinean woman visionary in this world of education, creating fresh pods for senior high school. S H S as it's cooled. He in Ghana to marry Sean, is the principle for Ghana international school known as g s based in Ghana's capital city, Accra issue has been a principal for five years. He in Ghana. She has taught and headed schools in southwestern on -tario Canada. For over twenty five years to issue is a director on the board of the association of international schools in Africa known as a cer- Acer is the leading association for school teachers and educators in Africa. And she's a creative APR Olympic writer tuition has penned thir, teen novels. Yes, I said, it's the teen to musical poetry and even song lyrics. She's a Mumma a mother of three grown up sons. And I think we can all agree, a bona fide bat us welcome to remeasuring Africa to Mary issue. Thank you. Thank you, there, so GIS gun international school. It's a school that turns out some of Ghana's, best and brightest. Now, also part of a sector plagued with challenges, going to school may be a must be getting educated, does not necessarily happen, just because someone went to school, certainly not in Ghana, given the challenges that we face. So let's start off by talking about the challenges and Ghana's education senior high school system. Also across Africa and the impact with those challenges. So we want to break this all the way down. There are different people in elements involved in teaching teachers learners, parents principles infrastructure. When education is discussed senior high school education as education. There is a lot around the language of blame. Government is felt. Government has failed to do this person's fell to do that. I wonder how on helpful, the language of blame is, and how does it translate to the challenges that exist? Teachers in the classroom question. Yeah, it is a fair question. It's highly highly responsible for what ends up happening in the classroom. Because if nobody's really responsible nobody will do anything, there counts, ability as zero, we've got to get to that point where the issue of education, in this country is just so urgent that you don't blame anybody anymore. It's all our faults parents are not as I should say, they're not as interested. But they're not putting in efforts of being with the children to help them through school work, a lot of parents just hire extra tutors, you know. So after school parent doesn't get back home till after six sometimes even nine PM. So there's somebody at home with them from about four o'clock helping them with the work. So the parent isn't there. And so the. Child is not connecting that visual that the parent cares. How many parents go and pay tuition fees out of school with the child in hand and say, this is your school fees? No, that I'm paying for the child knows apparent pays school fees. But the connecting visual is missing. They're not getting that from the parent. Parents who are involved in the school, as and may be participating in PTA gatherings and so on. They may be involved in activties chatting about what the kids are doing in class. But how many of them even know enough to be able to hold a proper conversation beyond, how is my child doing math house? My child doing an English many parents can be embarrassed because they don't know much. They won't even show up and then that's a crucial link. That is broken. You know, you need to have child, parent teachers sitting there and talking together about the work and how the child will be assisted when you think about government government has got all sorts of fire tease. No doubt. Out. But when are we going to actually sit down and say, okay, you know what with all the things we have to do with roads that need to be built factories that need to be built youth? Employment programs in, we've got a lot and almost everything seems like a priority and gone. I can't imagine what isn't a priority. So it becomes really difficult than for the government to justify one of them. But I think that we have to get to that point where we're so. Fearless bold and aggressive enough to say, you know what everything's important, but, you know all those important things aren't going to get done if we don't get this one thing. Right. And so we say, okay, what needs to be fixed about the educational system and do it. So blame game has to stop. Everyone has to admit we're part of it. I myself went to school in Ghana. I was a natural to school, which is an school at the time that I went the, we didn't have the system and we were still doing the British system. We had levels in a levels, so the educational system has changed quite a bit. But sadly, what hasn't chair? Changed for me is the lack of respect for teachers number one, and that is an internal, and external value that I see missing basically teachers themselves don't respect what they do. And I think that that has translated into a public that doesn't trust as much in the work of teachers and what they do as well. Another problem. That's plaguing. Teachers is training just seems to have changed overtime. I think each government comes in and has a brand new idea. Also, they think the put it into action, and it seems on the outside that much thought has gone into it, because the first couple of years just feels like a disaster each time, and so teach discombobulated, they don't know what to do anymore. You're not respected in the classroom, or out of the classroom. And there's a huge huge burden on them as well. The people who go into teaching and this is always a beef of mine. We always used to wonder when we were in high school. Why some people with teachers because we thought a teacher supposed to be someone who actually loves. To teach. And yet, we had teachers who looked like the absolute hated being there that has plagued the teaching profession. I would say, at least as long as I've known that as a student as well as now an educator myself when I look at people walking in the street, I love people watching, and so wherever the tones of people, be it just on the street of the mall wherever just sit down and watch them, you know, and people I interact with and almost always I asked myself, who taught you who taught you. 'cause you likely to tell me you finished S H, as, but you can't speak a sentence correctly, you know, your grandma's or wrong, if I were to ask you to write something full stop shook commas are all over the place. There's no coherency. So who taught you and whoever taught, you must be put in jail. Because it's a crime to churn out people tell them that your education, you know, here's your diploma now go out into the big, big world and make something of yourself because we've taught you and this person can even cope. And this is not just a problem of the level is at the university level. I receive applications from university graduates in coats, and I'm thinking to myself, who taught you who passed you. So it's quite something that's happening and not just in Ghana in, in the rest of Africa's, well, where we have got to push something, we've just got to get really mad about something mad enough to do something that may be deemed crazy. But my actually do some, some good when we look at funding from governments, this is something that we complain about, and rightly, so, because the amount that the government spends on education is nowhere near what it needs to be spending. I don't know if any government. Can come anywhere? Close to it. Probably the Nordic countries are the ones that are being lauded right now is putting a lot of money into education and you see the results. But western countries like the UK the US, Canada, mega tug of war between teachers and government with teachers and schools and institutions saying, we don't have enough money you're not giving us enough to work with what we are supposed to be doing and governments like just deal with it. It's a Petit really. Because when you enter classrooms, and you enter the learning spaces you see what the teachers are talking about. And so it's a bit of a dual edged sword where the teachers have got to get more creative as well. But government also has recognized that you haven't even reached the minimum that you should be working with the third prong has to do with curriculum. How do we know that the curriculum that we're teaching is going to position out children to be effective? And I was pleasantly surprised maybe about ten years ago when I first took a serious, look, the GS curriculum for our schools and was pleasantly. Cer-. Prized that it was really good. And this brings us back to the fact that we can write a whole lot of stuff done in Ghana. We're really good at that. We produce reams and reams of policy documents and we're good that when it comes to the classroom that we don't know how to turn that into engage in classrooms, so you will see something on sexual health that is asking teachers to talk to students about sexual health and changes in your body, and so on, and then you visit a school in the eastern region, where the teachers trying to teach that topic and to demonstrate he calls a young girl up to the front who's very well developed. This is a class, I am serious. And I was I was horrified. So this is a class news. Her body employees. He is holding a cane, and he's pointing to her breasts and saying grease abreast. These are the did a this is how a goal looks when she's developed and the girl looked like she wanted the ground to open up and just swallow her the other girls, just covered the faces like it looked like they were frayed be we're going to be called, and the boys would just roaring with laughter. I remember styling and ranging. No, no, no, no. Yeah. So that the actual stuff that's on the paper is excellent. Right. But how should teach teach teacher? You know, and I look at our culture. We're pretty open about our bodies. You know you just need to walk by the street and see people exposing pods of the bodies, you know, so we're not shy of our bodies. And I think sometimes the adults bring that into the. Clash. They think he's not a big deal. You have a bust. We all know you have a bus. What's wrong with letting you stand up and let show everybody have a bus afterwards. I told the headmaster of the school that this was inappropriate, and we call the teacher. And he just looked like I was talking like from another planet. He's like, what's the big deal? And I said, did you see how shush she was? She really looked embarrassed about it. And I know on an even if she was shy. Why is hub body? The means by which you teach an entire clause from and did you ask permission? Yeah. I mean like goes into kinds of issues about the ways in which goes bodies, appropriated definitely by, by men to do whatever, in the guys of education, and it was interesting. I'll standing there, waiting to see if you'll call a boy up and also point to his body. Right. But he didn't. And that's the thing he didn't. And I thought no, why didn't you do that? You know. So there's a huge. Gap there. And you wonder where it's happening. Is it in the training colleges? Is that in service training for when the in schools and actually teaching? So you see that on one hand and in the same town, that I visited I saw a teacher who was counting with pebbles that she and her students have gone out to go and pick by a stream. That's just behind the school. And when I asked her why she said, because the told us they were ordering some counters from China, but they haven't arrived, and I said, and so you decided you were going to make your own counter. She said, Yes, Madam because we've got to teach them how to count and how to add and so I need something, so she went out with the kids made an excursion of it kids got excited who can pick ten pebbles ten stones out of this, and kids, a pointed to each of the pebbles, and seen what colors. They I thought there's a teacher. There's a teacher you know, rates environmental time and she's not waiting. She's not waiting and. Legally sitting there on her phone chatting on Instagram, Twitter or whatever she's teaching and she's making sure that these kids are engaged. And we're so fortunate in this country to have excellent weather. Why not get the kids up and moving around instead of sitting behind the desk. I wanted to take a step back. You mentioned sexual health and the example of a teacher, bringing up a girl, and using her body to demonstrate and not doing the same thing with the boy was somehow suggest that only girls have body but it brings up the question around what I call sexual security in schools, and that one of the challenges that I definitely have seen in, you know, what with an organization, cruel because listen again, sexual abuse, and our focus is specifically sexual abuse in schools, and that the publisher of training translates into it seems having predatory teachers in classrooms, who are able to get away with a kind of sexual abuse and sexual harassment that actually impact. Education, the quality of education full schools about what's happening there. It's been happening for a long time. I don't know whether it's that much more now but I think with, with the media, and just people being a bit more emboldened, we're hearing more about. But when I was in school, it was just rampant as well. I don't know that we think it causes enough damage. That's why we are not serious about it. Those who have gone through it, choose to remain silent. And it's actually a testament to the city to be able to carry on and just do. Well, so the impression is created that won't it wasn't bad. When you say rampant, would you mean you mean everybody knows that it's an expectation that is just going to happen? No, I wouldn't say that it's an expectation, but then when it does happen. And you say something everyone looks like yeah. So a happens, you know why you making such a big deal about it, but you don't go into it expecting. Although you know, by the time in from four from five. When Donaldson's has taken over. Yes. Thirteen fourteen you do feel the pressure even more. And the way some of the teachers would look, I you, you knew what they were thinking many girls are uncomfortable. This seems to be this idea that the schools can become this place where teachers are allowed to get away with sexually harassing sexually abusing sexually violating raping goals. And there is so little consequence that all parties know, somehow you have to navigate this Paul for yourself to go. Suddenly no it I mean we, we dealt with the school where it was the head teacher, who was sexually harassing actually abusing and raping go. And then we found he had a history that went back now. He's head teacher, but he had that reputation. And they were allegations when he was still teaching that did not stop him getting promoted. And of course, promotion gives him more power. Yeah. I wonder about what are we losing as a nation? Shen when goals vulnerable to sexual assault like that. And teachers are able to use their power that way. Like what do we lose in terms of education? What did we lose them to the potential of the young women? The self esteem factor for the young women. So women self esteem, women's sense of self worth even when it comes to marriage chosing, you know, who they are married to and subsequent married life. And what they accept within a relationship also happens a member children then suffer. So it's the cycle that just never ever stops. Because the children grew up seeing maybe mum being abused by that because it's been happening to him or her life. So it's, it's no different. You also have on, on the other side, boys. I mean I I've always wanted whenever we talk about empowering girls. We seem to leave the boys out. But we've got to prepare boys for that empowered girl. 'cause that empowered go will take nothing from boys. And so even in this conversation. Some boys may be abused as well, not as many as girls, but the boys grow up watching this, and knowing it happens. And in later years, when I when I've spoken to some of my classmates, they would disgusted by the men, the teachers who are doing this, but they also felt powerless to do anything. So the boys also saw a certain power structure there. That's a long as you are a person with power, you can get away with anything, and they grew up to be those kind of monsters to so all around, where fighting the psyche of both young men and young women that very formative stage and then within the classroom, of course, what kind of learning is happening when I'm sitting in a classroom listening to someone teaching me history who just molested me. How am I even going to focus and so when a lot of girls on doing? Well, that's part of the reason they're not even present the buddies are present. But the mind is elsewhere. The mind is suffering and. Moved from these situations. They fill the exams, they'll go back home the yelled at by their parents. I've even heard of some parents who yell at the girls and say, so what this happen to you, you know, get over it. You're not the only one you know, so the young women feel they're not supported by anyone. And then they have to go and take vacation classes to try to catch up and low and behold, this predator, number two, three, four, all of them there, because that is a breeding ground for them, because here these girls who desperately need to pass. And that is just good news to a predator. What has been instructive to me is the fact that we have known connected sexual security with educational policy. You know, we're in a moment with sitting here and across Ghana's capital in this particular government. Essay chess senior high school is a major priority education, as his flagship policy for them landmark and it's disgust in a way that consistently separate. Rates sexual security and I feel that has been such a normalization of sexual abuse that it literally is not even for discussion. Yeah. Does not even come up again. It comes back to that whole priority scale that they're thinking, maybe we don't have enough schools. We need to build more schools train more teachers get more textbooks. Computers in class. All of those other things seem more important than this, and sadly, maybe some women empowers while. Oh, in positions of power that could affect a certain change of speak up, and they may have gone through this and because of Wehbe are right now they think I'm okay, I handled it, you know you to deal with it, so it doesn't come up, which is really scary, but it needs to be part of a comprehensive policy to ensure that learning takes place. And I think maybe that's where the language and you alluded to this earlier on the language that we use, because language can really refocus us so that instead. Of education, education, education. Can we talk learning when I came to GIS we had the sick bay, we have two sick bays. And these is sensually little clinics situated in the school, so children are ill or stuff, whatever I changed the name to the wellness center from the sick bay and along with it becoming the wellness center. It became a place that now designed programs to make us well as opposed to being there. So the when you're sick you go there. So we've had weight loss programs with had diabetes education just this past weekend. We did a power walk all sorts of things that originate through the wellness department now which the sick bay wouldn't have thought of doing or because that's not what they were about. So a certain refocusing on what the issue it is at heart, but it is learning. How do we get people to learn? What are the factors that go into learning and security number one? Is one of them so under security, you'll have sexual security. You'll have physical security. You'll have all sorts of mental security as well. We have children who transitioned from different countries into into our school. What is there for that kind of a transitional security? If you may call it that in that maybe my former school this is how we used to do it now. I'm in the school where this isn't tolerated. How do I cope with it all of that? And that needs to change. So a certain language needs to be refashioned redeveloped, and with that then comes new understanding of what needs to go into that space, because then we would be able to import sexual security there as well in the signs as a math, when you get to the level, how many women are teaching an apart from the visuals of seeing a woman teaching chemistry or woman teaching higher level. Math of some sort apart from another young woman. Seeing it and saying while she's doing this and should. Does it so well? So I could do it the Boise to and know that goals women can do this as well. But also when that girl has got an issue. She has someone to go to one of the hallmarks of effective school. Is that every child if questioned could point to at least one adult within the school that they go and talk to there was something wrong, just one. So can you imagine in some of our schools that have got over one hundred teachers if you were to pick a child and just ask them of the cuff, and they said, no, there's no one than that school is failing. And so all of those imbalances there in gender, you know, need to be looked at need to be addressed the attitudes of teachers at the different levels, and how the project those attitudes toward children to make them comfortable and the number one question, one of the surveys that we have for our students every semester. We have a teacher survey, the students of the teachers, and it's all anonymous and one of the questions is. Does your teacher make you feel safe in the classroom? And then we asked kids, yes or. No. And then tell us why or why not. And there's a text books there for them to tell us and that safety sometimes comes across in ways that you might not be surprised at least the teachers always yelling at me. Teachers always calling me up to ask me questions. And one child might like that another child feels hugely uncomfortable by that. But this is where the motion intelligence of the teacher needs to come into play and you need to realize, okay, this is beginning to look uncomfortable. Therefore, pull back a little bit because for you know, those a parent teacher conference. And the parents said, you know, my child says you never ask questions in class. So teachers like okay, cool. You're going to answer the questions in class now and just goes overboard with it. So a lack of emotional intelligence and many of our teachers there is responsible for the feeling of a lack of safety in the classroom. So it's a good conversation that needs to be had, and I love the way you combining engaging the students. In commenting on the quality of what's happening in the school in question. Does your teacher? Make you feel safe is a mass one I'm trying to remember anybody's ever asked me that question all expected me to even have an opinion about, and that it would be listened to, but also that it allows the opportunity for issues of potential sexual harassment of sexual abuse to come up early because it's anonymous and it's a place of safety that it does that create a safety. And so I want to ask you about you talked about instead of saying, what we talk about learning. So then I wonder about, then what do we have to unlearn when it comes to senior high school education. I mean education in, in Ghana, and I think about it in terms of the legacy of colonialism, and the lingering impact of that, how it shapes. We learn as in what the teachers learn more principles. Learn what students learn more families. Learn about teachers and teaching. What do we? Have to unlearn. What does that on learning? Look like for you. It's gonna be a long process. Not in our lifetimes. I can bet you that because boy, I think probably the first thing is just the philosophy of learning. We have to learn, I think that learning was probably considered to be the domain of a few those who are strong or gifted. And I think all of us have to unlearn that can put a coot uncall- fact is not a fact. Everybody can learn we all just learn differently at different paces with different stimuli. So everybody can learn. And the fact that someone's really good at math and sciences doesn't make them clever than the person who's really good in history and geography. So we have to unlearn that concept that the maths and sciences indicate how clever, you are it indicates how clever, you are at Matheson, I'd Matson sizes. It's a simple as that another one. I think we need to unlearn is the concept that learning. Is hard. If it's not hard, then you're not learning you basically after torture yourself, walk over hot coals, Pierce yourself, all over bleed to death. And then whoa than this one was really worth. It know, gosh, white cotton learning be fun. So unlearn the fact that it hurts to learn to marriage turning. Celli hala. This. You're listening to reimagining Africa on the spin, it's special series for Africa day that annual may celebration of the birth on may twenty nine hundred sixty three of what was then the organization of African Unity and became the African Union now. It's known Africa day. Education in Africa visionary. Valuable visual viable changing the model challenging the status quo. Choosing a fresh poff a talk walking principal leading an educational institution in west Africa, Ghana, capital city across offering a model for a nation and a continent. We are on air in London on Abyan radio UK across the United States in Iowa. Ohio texas. Arizona North Carolina, Massachusetts South Carolina, New Jersey and Mississippi. We are online on soundcloud, and I choose re imagining Africa. African women on the Mike, moving the needle doing the work taking the lead. Time for part, two discussion on education in this re- mentioning Africa series. So let's talk change. What does visionary leadership in education? Look like what kinds of changes the schools need to press students for tertiary education, and actually the world because everybody will do education. So let's talk being a game changer in the world of high school education early learning education in Ghana, and across Africa. So Mary, you're much more than a principal. You'll really becoming a guiding light in how Ghana is transforming. S H, S euro reform, but took about the kind of reform you making and what it is. You're trying to achieve with the ways in which you're moving on international school and brewed across the continent. Key thing is that focused on the teacher. The teacher is the single most important component in everything that we've talked about if. Learning is to happen. The concept of the teacher, how the teacher becomes a teacher and how they remain a teacher. And so my focus has been on focusing on the teacher. Who do I hire? How do I make sure that they keep doing what they're supposed to be doing very well? And for this developed a model school, the reduction of probable failure model and this is Nick from, from the world of maintenance, engineering, and maintenance, and I am no engineer engineers out there. Forgive me if I just totally butcher, this so listening to talk about the work that he does. And, and he, he works and mining and asset management. And he's always talking about how to make sure that the equipment onsite continues working for the length of its life, cycle doesn't break down when it breaks down. They lose money they want to make money therefore, they have to make sure the equipment doesn't breakdown so listening to that I think, to myself, how does. Does that translate into education, who are my most important assets -education, while the, the teachers and I wanna make sure that for a twenty five year life cycle? Let's say of teaching that teacher does not break down. How do I ensure that so borrowing from that field of maintenance, engineering, the very first thing is to design that teacher? Well, all right. You design equipment. Well, I don't want to poo poo any 'cause here, but if I put a Mercedes, and a key next to each other and said, you know, you get to pick one, which one are you gonna pick Esther without anything about costs? But I mean everybody knows this. Say let's just tell the truth. Yeah, I know which most people will pick and why because they have heard about German engineering, and it lasts long may cost you a packet to be able to, to maintain that vehicle, but you want that really well designed so we start off with the design of that asset. And this is whereas the principle of GIS, I have no control over because by the time the teachers, get to me, the have purportedly been designed and I'm saying this because the design happens of the training colleges. That's where you take somebody who says they want to be a teacher, and you try to design them to become ager. And so, I wonder what goes on in our training colleges. The kind of mindset that we try to get, but the, the training colleges will also argue where they get beer people from to actually sign up. I was sharing some time ago with a friend, about the fact that those who go into teaching don't always want to be teachers. It's always. Just a stopgap, and I was one of those people I didn't start out by wanting to be a teacher. I had been told over and over again that I would be a good teacher. But I never thought it was for me because it didn't seem like it had the status and definitely not paid. Well, so why would I wanna do that? So I went along the journey to be research. Scientists got my PHD in the sciences. And then came back into teaching so I know a lot of people don't start off by wanting to be teachers and to some extent. That's okay. But how do we attract the very best to come so that we can design them because the fact that somebody is awesome? A math does not mean be contains math. This is something we have to unlearn as well to go back to your previous question. So you've got that design phase you're in the training. College presumably, we've picked the very best. And this is what the Nordic countries do very well, the very best go into teaching. So the training colleges have an uphill task of taking somebody who's economically, not strong themselves who may not have. Even wanted to do it and turn that into somebody who can go into the classroom deliver academe ick subjects and delivered in such a way that somebody's actually excited enough to want to study it there in lies the problem with the with the training colleges and then how the even designed programs. So by the time somebody is done in the training college and become out to a school like mine. I should have the assurance that they have been designed. Well, when you get a brand new car comes with all sorts of guarantees doesn't not. You gotta warranty right? And it says you've got two years parts, one year on labor yada, yada, yada. I have never once heard of training college that sends out is teachers with a warranty saying that we have trained this person so, well, you should get at least five years good teaching out of this person. So they come to me. They've been designed well or not well, and now I have to maintain them when you get your car and go all the warranties and stuff, you're still going to be. Looking at the warranty, you have run a little troubled by the comparison. That has come up every time that I do because I'm comparing an animate human inanimate. All right. But it ends up working. Well, with me. So we get there and you'll call needs to have an oil change every kilometers, or whatever this is just off the top of my head. I don't know 'cause either, but I do know that it has to have an oil change, every so often it has to have the wheels aligned every so often as have this, every so often all of that is listed for you by the manufacturer, or recommended to you by the manufacturer you have a place that you go to that says, I will take your car every so often do the following things to it. So that by the time it comes back to you. It's almost as good as new so that it can go for the length of time. But we have promised a will on the warranty K come back to teachers teachers come to us from the training colleges. Become to teach what maintenance and we doing with them. And this is something that we are stressing so much, teachers need to be maintained regularly, and that means an takes the form of professional development every. A year. They must do this every three months. The must do that. You know, and all of that needs to be documented, so that, then just like your car. You've got a booklet that tells you the maintenance that has happened with this vehicle, and training college. You send teachers out to go and go and practice teach and that practice teaching most teaches I have surveyed see that, that was the single most important aspect of the learning. Wow. Single most important aspect of their learning because the fury is just theory until you're in a class of thirty kids, and you can't get a word in his so send them out, get some feedback from your supervisor's with able to handle a class with the able to teach the subject. How many kids understood it whatever whatever comes back to the design phase and the training. College should be getting all that data and using it to tweak the program as well. One of the problems I've seen with many of training colleges here is that those. Teaching teachers, how to teach have actually never taught in schools. All the doing is teaching them the fury. So we teach all of these theoretical principles right? Because these professors have PHD's. Right. So they've studied some obscure thing and gotten the PHD and teaching but become tell you how to handle your class. And it's so interesting. You say that because as a journalist, somebody who loves journalism, and media and has done so full sixteen seventy years, the thing that I know for sure that has strengthened me as a journalist has been the ongoing learning that I have gone through throughout my entire time doing media on three continents, and the ongoing learning and the expectation that I should continue to change the way it changes the way, I work, and I it's interesting because I teach media communications in a university and have found that the same challenge applies that sometimes people who. Journalist going to teach and they don't know how to teach market, but also those who only done the theory of media communications go in and teach. And they don't know how to explain the difference between what happens in the textbook, and what happens to the newsroom clearly must been two different. There has to be a push and the training colleges to get teachers who have taught for several years have massive experience to possibly go onto do the PHD's, give some grants for that, and let them research, certain areas, and that the last couple of years, we've had an action research fund. We give it to teach us to research, a particular thing, and then they presented at conferences. And so this will bring the real world learning to teachers because after they graduate, they're going into classrooms. So they need to know what that classroom looks like. And just like you example of your learning and teaching journalism, you expose yourself to different contexts, understand, when it comes to the practicum training, you need to put them in va. Various schools. You know go into a rural area. See how it's like to teach that go into a city school. See how an inner city school. See how it is to teach go into an international school. See how it's like to teach their bring all of those together and one would think that many teachers would choose to therefore, teach in better endowed school. But I have met so many teachers who find that the calling as teaching the place where the kids don't have much, but that exposure is so critical. And when that exposure, happens feedback is honestly, given then that training program can then be tweaked back and forth until you've got that product that you are looking for. So once that product is ready, then you send them off to the schools. And then once they get the, the school must have dedicated program for men, -taining them throughout the process, requiring sudden, number of hours of professional development. Some that is self do. Erected by the teacher, others that are institutionally directed as well. And all of it documented to give that teacher that sense of self worth. I'm a professional and as I keep doing this. I become even more professional. That's my model that needs to happen. And what we are working on a GS is looking at all of this looking at teachers and early stages. The first five years of any teachers career are the most critical ones. It's at that point that they decided came I going to quit or not. So if you can manage them support them handle them, well, in those first five years, the likely to keep going, and so we make sure that this attention paid to those and early careers. We give the mental to support them in the journey small group gatherings where we ask them, how things going of feedback what's going on, sometimes the, their misconceptions that they have. And we tried to correct those all sorts of nurturing that happens, and those first five years, and then after those first five years, the teachers are looking for something different. Ask. Cking themselves will kind of teacher on my so GS we've got three tracks, we recognize that some people may be teacher researchers, then we've got teacher administrators. Unfortunately, in Ghana, everyone wants to become a headteacher. It's the highest level be can reach, you know, within a school system within the education service, of course, there, different levels. They're all administrative, not all of us are administrative, and how to get people to understand what an administrator does. So we've created a new position, Aji school system vice-principal. And so this is for a teacher, who has had some experience, and they want to explode that administrative track. And so they work alongside the vice principal on discipline issues. Paran engagement learning all of that stuff, and then we've got the master teacher and the master teachers that person who says, I would absolutely die. If I couldn't stand in front of kids every day and keep teaching this is what I wanted to be doing until I'm done. I don't wanna be a researcher. I don't wanna become a head t. I want to be with kids and I want to keep doing it. Well, that's the teacher that I send a brand new teacher to. That's the teacher is send somebody in be practicum that the training college wants to have experienced I send them to a master teachers classroom to watch how do the stuff. So in that way, you're giving people, a certain room within the profession to figure out who am I within this large teaching spectrum, and where can my gifts and abilities best be used? And once they then, accept that this is where I meant to be, then we start looking for even more opportunity for them to shine either on the local stage, the national stage, maybe even international state, but they have to have decided that this is the area that I want to get into. And I think as a model if we translate this into our larger national conversation, it's something that can keep happening. So give me an example of how you impact mindsets in your school. When you. Talking about leadership in education and making change the whole school has a keyword every year that we use. We let it permeate everything that we do. Teachers are encouraged to use it and be a lesson planning, we talk about. It's simply students encouraged to use it in the play, acting and drama classes, and so on and together as a leadership team. We come up with the word that we think we need for the year. So we've had attitude one year where we're thinking. Oh, attitudes. Need to change? Robust because we thought you know, we need to have processes be robust this year, keyword, is international mindedness. How a we internationally minded and how can we show we are internationally minded? And what does that mean? Oh, gosh. International mindedness, that, that is such a broad term. But it is a term used to describe someone who can be comfortable wherever in the world because they value the gnomes of the cultures and the empathetic towards others. They. Use language that is accepting and not just tolerating, but accepting of others and embrace others as well. So with that in now international school environment meant that we talked differently we listened differently, some of the examples that we give in class to would be different this year. We've decided that aqui would will be social responsibility. What are you doing? So what about you? And what will you leave behind? What's your legacy, so social responsibility, and we tired all back to our success abuse, the school has got six attributes we expect kids, and those six attributes tied to houses each child belongs to a house. Each house has hasn't one attribute a house personality, and that key word. Let's move from Ghana, and you're creating in goner, this model of education, that you took about really, you know, with an educational ecosystem, you've been elected to be a director, on the board of the association of international schools in Africa Asia. And that is really literally about international schools, all across the concept. Eighty one schools. I think that a part of this too about what you want to see that become and why it matters. Why it's important understanding some of the history. Now, when you read the name itself association of international schools in Africa and for me, I latched onto the Africa bit there. Lots of organizations for international schools belongs to lots of organizations. We are credited by two very rigorous bodies so international schooling its valuation. It's a critical no biggie. But for me the fact that this was happening and Africa was a huge deal while it is focused on international schools, on the continental my desire is to see the organization move towards supporting all schools and Africa. And whatever form that support takes the founding of the organization was primarily American schools, and so the American State Department wanted to support families that they send overseas to work can be embassies. So they set up schools much. Lincoln international school in a cry here. So most of those that started where all American there, many American schools in that mix. And so the language of the organization is about supporting those schools in the last twenty years, it has opened up to include schools that are not American based like GS and other types of schools as well. And so, because we see education, landscape changing the organization is asking itself who are we? We may have started out as this, but who are we and for me, my push as a director, on the border board member is to say, what's the point of being an Africa? If you don't change Africa. What's the point you know? And so for me, I won't to see those schools, those eighty or so schools that belong to a sir asking themselves that question and saying it's not good enough for us to be privilege. Edged to be able to afford all the things that we afford with tuition fees that people could only dream of what are we doing to affect our communities? And I'm driven by this, because I'll strategic plan that I worked on with the board and stakeholders in the school for years ago, we had five goals and four of them the typical goals, you might find in almost every school strategic plan one for excellent education. Your human resource management, your financial management, your facilities for me the last one there was the crux of my whole hope for Africa, which is to make impact in our community through service. And I think with ace, we could do that. Acer has a big voice. It is well supported it says it's for Africa. And that is excellent, that gives me hope that excites me to no end and admittedly. My background is very different. You know from the rest of the board members. I'm born umbrella. African. My full food. I eat my banker and that's not to say, don't do the same. But this suddenly something different and how might education be different. If we were to adopt the model that you are creating in your school, and then she wanted to see across ISA in Africa. I think that what we would see as starting from better. Engage classrooms. More excited, learners students who are not afraid to pursue careers that the comfortable with, and we'll do much better at, and then an overall raising the standards within the economy, when people are doing what the good at and not needing to take bribes, for example, because you're really good at it. You see what I mean? So I think that, that's what I see that, if this model can be supported and adopted, especially by public school systems that it will be more or less like a wave, a sort of movement when I was in Robie for the conference we were. To bring an artifact and this artifact was supposed to be something that Hsieh's with everybody what you'll vision for Acer is, and as all sitting there and just praying God, don't let them call me. I, I realized I was wearing African print. And I always do this every time I leave Ghana I make sure when I'm going to be speaking anywhere representing Africa in any way, shape or form, I always wear African print or I try to. And so when I got to my turn, and the, the moderator the facilitator said, what did you bring? Mary. I said, I brought what I'm wearing and everyone went, oh, and I said, yeah, this is what I want to be. We need to be wearing out passion. So strongly that it just shows when you take it off. You're not the same. I couldn't have come for that meeting without a shirt on. But having that shirt on just even cement, who I am this, no denying African putting the shirt on. Hey, look at me, this is what I value. You and African fabric has just got so many textures and colors, and so on stories, Aures, gosh. So that much more than that shows the complexity of the continent. One thing that works in Ghana may not necessarily work in Rwanda. But at least the model can be tweaked to fit the context in, in Rwanda and for me African fabric does that and more. So what do you say to people who say okay, but you'll the principle of Ghana international school. That's the elite those are the privileged. How can that model work for schooling gonna that is out in the village out in the rural area, where people don't have anything like the resources because people associate a good education with a monied education, Audi respond? This is where we have to unlearn that we have to unlearn that it has to do with money. It doesn't have to do with money, money does help the process along and it can make it go faster. But what you need is a dedicated teacher. A passionate dedicated teacher in the. Washroom, you could put me under a tree, and I will teach amazingly well, two kids, it's not about the building. It's not about the fact that they don't have chest to sit on, or they don't have a laptop computer and they're not connected to the internet. It's not about that. All of that does add though and this is why for those of us a privileged situation. My pushes for us to realize that with that privilege comes great responsibility, and so, take that and use that to help the rest around you. And it's also important the idea of nothing for Africa without Africans. Nothing fool the visionary future of education in Africa without the visionary leadership of an African and the idea of imposed change or imposed leadership has to be relegated to poss that we're looking to shift. Yeah. So why do you lead in education? What do you love education? What is it mentions a force for change? I think. It's a false for change. I can't see anyone who did not love learning of some sort, and who has been of impact. We can't get anywhere without making that the number one important ingredient when we think about visionary education in Ghana, an across Africa. We are a consonant whose population is youth. The youth of the constant is the way in which we describe demographically as a continent. What excites you about what a reimagining of education in Africa could create given the potential of youth, and the vision that you're trying to create on the soil. What excites me about the youth is the fearless, totally totally fearless. I think that access to the internet access to all forms of media has made them so globally away. And so it's a bit like we're playing catch up to them. You know. You're so ready for this new way of thinking new way of learning, we just have to catch up to them. And I'm so excited when I hit children, speak in a way that I never dreamed, I could what does a visionary education mean Africa. What is your vision of education mean, and how does it transform garner an Africa? Freedom freedom, just one would the freedom to be. And I think that if we can vision an education that allows us to be, who we are knowledge is, and values who we are this is the way that we do. I'll hair therefore for child twists her head to class this nothing wrong with it. This is the way we talk. And we may talk in different ways. And that's okay. A vision for education on the continent for me as one of freedom. 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"The Tom would show episode. Fifteen hundred sixty eight prepared a set fire to the index card of allowable opinion your daily dose of Liberty Education in starts here. Tom would show everybody make it. Your New Year's resolution to stop going to the post office stamps dot com brings all the services of of the US Postal Service right to your computer and with my Promo Code Woods. You get a special offer that includes a four week. Trial plus free postage and a digital scale. Just go to stamps. Dot Com Click on the microphone at the top of the homepage type in woods. Everybody Tom Woods here if you missed. Jeff Diced Week last week. Go back and listen to those. That was a tremendous mendes week. People in my private group are just beside themselves. About how fantastic it was. So you're GONNA want to check that out. Episodes fifteen sixty through sixty seven are just indispensable instable listening. Just don't even think about listening to another podcast other than Tom would show episodes fifty six hundred fifteen sixty seven however you can make an exception for the present one Tom. I'm would show episode fifteen sixty eight featuring Scott Horton our old friend from antiwar dot com. The Scott Horton. Show the Libertarian Institute. Scott Horton Dot. Org is where you can check him out and I want to talk to him about the fallout from and long-term significance of the strike. That killed the Iranian general. Sola money and this happened happened. Well I'll get into the details of that and the unfortunate timing of the Tom would show scheduling and this happening. Took me a while to get Scott Horton on but it may be just as well all that. We took a little extra time before talking. Scott about what it all means Scott. Welcome back based on all right. I went a week without talking about this mainly because it happened. The situation Iran exploded suddenly and I was recording. Jeff diced week for the show and then I was going out of time but in a way even though my natural instinct would be get Scott. Horton on immediately. Maybe it's better in this case to have a little bit of time to let the whole thing sink in and get a sense of what the long term consequences might be so. Maybe it's not such a bad thing that we took a little time and getting on but anyway let's start off here with some background because I have people who ordinarily agreed with me on issues like the sacred agree with the the two of us on issues like this and on war on non-intervention intervention who themselves are saying now in this case this particular strike you just have to support it. Obviously your embassy gets attack. You have to respond not respond to that so he responds to it in a very measured way. There's a moderate Iranian response. Everybody's saves face and we can move on. There's no big war coming out of it. So this is hysteria on the part of the antiwar people. And it's unreasonable not to have this. I got this for people who are friends of mine. who were very sympathetic? To what I say so I think in a case like this. It's very very necessary to lay the groundwork to try to address. The history began and five minutes ago. Assumptions that underlie a lot of this. So Scott you are the best guy to do this. What is the gist of the historical background? We need to look at the sensibly and by the way let me just say that from my dumb guy point of view. When I look at twitter I see people saying they referred to the US regime S.? And we and our embassy and this and that which by the way the regime has already one half the battle when it has people saying we us our but I would would read them saying look. Iran keeps attacking US and it keeps attacking us and the way I think of it as the. US regime keeps trying to be the regional hegemonic edge. Amman in that part of the world and the American Boob Wuzzy response to Iran. And the situation is hey quit attacking our troops and your neighboring neighboring country as some screwed up about that. It just seems to me like we're not looking at this clearly because nationalism is blinding us to the reality situation all right. That's along setup for you Scott. What do you want to say to us all right? Well I'll try to concede a point to the opposition here along the lines of what you just mentioned there about how Oh award did not break out and a war was not very likely to break out and so people who were very alarmist about this. I mean hey the left wingers winger's held an anti war protest for the first time in eleven years because they thought that something was going on but we actually know where the chess pieces are set up in the Middle East right now. You know that the Americans know that they cannot have a war with Iran just as well as Iran knows that they cannot have a war with the United States. Mutually assured assured destruction is keeping the peace as far as that goes. This is small level tit for tat stuff which doesn't make it right but it means that well the people that you're talking about in comparison to a lot of hyperbole from the other side get to feel smug and righteous about how you know see there were so few consequences from the terrible thing. I support so that means I'm smarter this kind of thing when that's not really right and these kinds of things can get out of hand Despite despite the intentions of leadership on either side but as far as the history began five minutes ago thing you know I don't know why so hard for people to just say you know I don't know about about that. There are lots of things Tom that I don't really have opinions about. Or if I have an opinion and it's just kind of an impression but I would be first to admit to you that I don't know all about Out this or whichever situation for example the disputes over the elections and the way they were held in Venezuela over the last few years. There's a lot of kind of weird things in there for both sides to highlight and complain about how it all shakes out. And whatever I don't know I guess if I spoke Spanish I'd be a little bit better but I don't mind telling you that I really I don't know I don't have to have a real opinion about exactly what happened in the election. Twenty fifteen over there but people for whatever whatever reason are just determined to say. Oh Yeah no I definitely lineup on this side of this argument over this dispute with Iran Iraq that obviously ninety nine percent of these people people know not the first thing about whatsoever so instead. It's just vicarious. Violence is fun. Like going to the movies on Friday and seeing a car Chase in a shootout or something that you know while neat I saw a medium of baby Yoda cruel and it says Americans. When they're government German kills somebody and it's baby iota then the caption his yes? Die Scum and yeah. That's about right. Wow what fun and you. No what I'm in a perfect position to accuse my fellow Americans of this because I was really bad on Libya in one thousand nine hundred six. I was in fourth grade and Ronald Reagan started carpet the bombing Libya and I thought it was awesome. Immune all my friends were drawing pictures of F one elevens on the back of our homework. Same thing when I was what fifteen in Iraq war one where the bigger the explosion. The better I didn't care about the Iraqi people I just like fighter jets and horsepower and loud noises and explosions. Because what can I say. I'm a red blooded leaded American heterosexual you know male and I like explosions and guns and cool stuff. And I didn't care about their humanity but I was a fifteen year old sociopath pat and you know the rest of US older than that are supposed to be better than that you know you should WanNa know whether history really started five minutes ago or whether there's more to it than that and the fact that the whole aware as a mean old black hat and your audience leans right. Doesn't that shouldn't be all that we need to know about the situation. For God's sake right I don't know sorry just Belabor that but seriously and the reality is America's the bad guy of course Jimmy Carter's fault and I'll Bill Clinton's fault and Barack Obama's there if you lean right I skipped all your Republicans but it's one policy from Jimmy Carter all the way through and yeah they switch sides back and forth but usually within administrations rather than you know the the administration switch Woodside's they're backing but the point is that it should be impossible for Americans watching TV to believe leave that the Iran's they attacked our embassy for no reason we had to defend ourselves from that first of all the attack at the embassy wasn't an attack at all it was no Benghazi at all. They were loud by the cops in the furthest fence from the embassy the visitors gate which is a mile and ten ten buildings from any kind of target and there was no attempt by the rioters to kill anyone. The American State Department employees had already all been evacuated. There's nothing but put Marines there anyway and I'm not saying their lives are forfeit. I'm saying their lives. Were not endanger and the police were just they. They were making a point. Oh wait a minute. Why would the police be making a point? that's because America's attacking our allies in Iraq. Doc Right now. The police on the side of the government that Americans stalled in Baghdad. That's the same authority as these so-called called Iranian backed Shiite militias. This is the same side. America's been fighting on since two thousand three. So that's why the the police apparently believed it was in their interest to let this protest go on for a little while and get just a little bit out of control to make a statement. Isn't that Ironic Ron and interesting enough to want to know more right there. These were not Suny bin Laden night insurgents suicide bombers these were our friends from the paramilitary force the popular mobilization forces there call the p. m. f. groups. PMU FOR POPULAR MOBILIZATION UNITS unit. There the paramilitaries who just helped Obama and then trump fight Iraq worth three against the Islamic state. That as we've discussed on the show before Obama built up in Syria in order despite Iran because Bush had fought Iraq war to for them. And so. That's how it goes. I'm telling it in reverse order but on this specific thing by the way the protest was in response to Donald Trump killing twenty five members of a Shiite militia called Katiba cheap Hezbollah because he blamed them for a rocket attack on an American base on December. Twenty seven that killed in American contract. They've never even proved WBT that that rocket attack was launched by Katiba Hezbollah much less that Iran told them to do it. The New York Times is now saying that they have intercepts but before. And that's the first we've even heard of supposed- evidence existing when in fact. The New York Times reported that day that impact Isis has threatened this base numerous Tante Hunt. What are American forces doing right with five thousand guys in Iraq? What are they doing? They are allied with these Shiite militias and the Iraqi Shiite army fighting Iraq war three and a half in other words the mopping-up exercise of what's left fighting. What's left of the Islamic state or ISIS OR AL located in Iraq in western Iraq and the Sunni areas of Iraq? And so it makes perfect sense to think that Isis would have launched the attack rather than the Shiite militia. It's a bit counterintuitive that the Shiite militia would do it. Now it is possible as the New York Times saying and the government is saying that the Iranians are trying the pressure on the Americans. So they don't get too comfortable. Yes we're glad you're here helping US fight Islamic state but don't think we're going to allow you to stay and don't forget that it's up to us if you're gonNA to stay or leave and that's why they were pressuring them with these kind of random rocket attacks that's their story. It's within the realm of possibility. Buying is just as likely likely maybe more likely that it's isis jerking our chain on this whole thing and either unwittingly coincidentally or possibly even even deliberately like a false flag seren attack in Syria giving our government a crisis to exploit to turn against the Shiites to go back to fuse Islami stateside civil war and in effect. That's what they were doing But anyway even if it's true that it was A Shiite militia. That did that. They kill one contractor trump kill twenty five of their guys in response then they hold a protest where no one one is hurt and they barely get in the visitor's gate and in response to that trump launches an act of war. He kills their top general and imagine if the Iranians had assassinated general mattis general portrays and imaginative. Madison portrays it actually ever won a war rather than being a couple of scumbag liar losers but but instead were held in the highest regard like Eisenhower. Patent or MacArthur. Something like that. That's who this guy. Sola Mani was to them. The head of their goods force he was. Is there probably second most influential. Man in their government after the supreme leader Ayatollah himself probably more powerful than the president. And and that's the kind of thing that could have gotten way out of hand absolutely a huge escalation to do and there's no justification for it all the claims that well there was going to be an attack on our embassies and all this. It was obvious in the first place that they were just bluffing with that. And when people call him out on it for days and days trump and spur the secretary defense have been all over the place trying to make up a story about how well we got some intelligence that there was some threat or some kind of thing. It's clearly just spin because otherwise it's clearly illegal for them to do that the way they did it. They're trying to say it was forced protection. And then you can tell they're lying onto because they spend all this time talking about thirteen years ago. Don't you know that in the year. Two thousand seven in Iraq war to America Fought the Shia for a little while you know in the spring and the follow four and then in two thousand seven for about six months seven months David Petraeus when he launched his surge he sent Danny Sherston in the boys against tall solders forces in east Baghdad and knowledge of and then by the magical property. These liars claims so tom that means that any American in Iraq War Two who was killed by a Shiite was killed by Iran and that Shiite Arab automatically magically just becomes in Iranian and any bombs they laid on the road and set off become magically goalie falsely Iranian e F P bombs when all of those bombs and I got ten pieces of journalism and firsthand sources sources out of American Military Intelligence. Let's talk with Matthew Hoh about this on my show. The other day he had the intelligence first hand right in front of his face. These bombs were made in Iraq by Iraqis just like I told you on the antiwar dot com blog in two thousand six and seven and Gareth border and filter Raleigh and all our greats debunked all of this stuff stuff way back then and they come out now and you'll see this on TV over and over and over again. They killed six hundred of our guys in Iraq they killed six hundred of our guys in Iraq. None of these people even have the slightest idea what they're talking about if you even ask them to explain where they even get that from most of them be hard pressed to even come up with. Well See. It's this whole story about Iran supplied this certain kind of roadside bomb. That's the core of the lie and its ally and by the way it was really more like five hundred. Americans died fighting the Shia not six. It was four thousand out of the four thousand five hundred Americans that died in Iraq. Were or two. That died. Tom Fighting Four. The Shiites against the Suny led insurgency push them into the arms of Al Qaeda. And all of that and boy if you watch Fox News Right. Now it's amazing the lie mostly just by omission. Would they would. Have you believe that. The whole of Iraq War Two was fought against against the Shiite side and against the iranian-backed side when in fact America favored this Shiite parties most backed by Iran Ron and opposed the Shiite leader. Muqtada AL solder who was the most nationalists who wanted to marginalize American and Iranian influence and they said no we'll take our bet on Dawa and the Supreme Islamic Council that are most backed by Iran because at the end of the day. We think they'll need us more than they need. The Iranians which was a bad add bet and did not work out at all and so anyway. I'm sorry I'm telling this kind of order but no that's okay what I WANNA do though. Sure is read to you Passage from each two different people. Both of whom you at least have heard of One of them. You may know personally who I would characterize as being on the Paleo side of the right wing who are normally pretty good on stuff like this but on this they disagree with you and I want to get your thoughts on it right after this very important brand new message you guys know. 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American diplomatic personnel piece should be an almost top priority for American governments but it is a priority that comes second to the responsibility to defend the American people. If ever an American airstrike was justified. This is it crap to me a Brang on hang on women he says. I am reassured by this surgical. Strike that our president is neither a warmonger like the bushes. Nora coward like Obama. Let me read the second paragraph. Hang on this from somebody else a friend and I'm so I'm not saying this hostility. I'm saying this trying to get trying to understand the truth. You international outlaw attacks American embassy as his regime has done before president orders. His killing by American military personnel said personnel performed the mission with bonus result that other hostile general is killed to all over over the Internet. Americans side with outlaw effectively insisting it's open season on Americans what's how do you answer these first of all I mean look at the last. Ask right there. Oh he killed another anti-american somebody When he asked him? What's that guy's name and what's his job? And what's the history of his life for the last twenty years. America just fought a war for the Bader Brigade and this Guy Mahaney as I don't know how to pronounce it. But the guy that they killed he was from the Party and the Supreme Islamic Council he was one of the commanders of the bottom brigade. His group was the core of the Iraqi army that George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld built for them. He's the guy who led the Iraqi militias in alliance with this Iranian in in alliance with the United States of America from two thousand not just pushes for from two thousand fourteen through December thirty first or whatever. The end of last year against the Islamic state. Sola Mani is an international outlaw. Pirate written all this no. He's not just because they claim that what makes that that some other guy with his job description bombed the Beirut barracks back in one thousand nine hundred eighty three is at it now and you know I thought this was funny as hell the NBC. Today has a piece by Ken Danilian. WHO's there CIA mop up boy? It's a proven fact from I think the wikileaks. I forgot where this comes from. But you can find where he was sending an entire articles to the CIA. Hi is to check for him. I in this kind of thing total. CIA asset. Ken Danilian formerly of the L.. A. Times and he's an NBC today and he says by the way just just one throwaway line by the way. The Israelis helped confirm the targeting intelligence against Salami and are in on this thing but then in the article when you go down later in the article and they talk about MMA Hanis the leader of the bottom brigade they killed they say oh. He was ahead of an anti-american militia nevermind never mind. It's name because we're frayed. You might have heard of it. Oh and he suspected in bombing the American embassy in Kuwait in one thousand nine hundred eighty three really. I mean come on Ronald Reagan was selling missiles to the ayatollah. After that. You're telling me that we're still holding that grudge. And meanwhile again this is the Guy The George Bush fought all of backward to and that Obama and trump fought all of Iraq. Worth three four and you're well respected friends. Who wrote that on facebook either? have no idea what they're talking about or they're being absolutely deliberately obtuse say can break their spine bending over backwards to defend this president if they know who the bottom brigade is and they know that the Islamic state is on the other side of the war. Then they have to take everything that they said. They're back and shut up again if you don't know what you're talking about just don't pretend tin that you do on my recent blog entry antiwar dot com right now anti were a com slash blog is Israel helped kill Sulejmani and there's a picture in their of Solani reviewing American troops Tom. There's American Special Operations forces with their M. wrap standing ending their and souleymane in his group or walking through essentially inspecting them like a parade because they were allies working together as recently recently as last month and by the way. Let's go back to what you said about. We're talking about Americans on an imperial outpost in Iraq. You Know Tucker. Carlson made this point on Fox News. This threat to Americans. This threat to Americans are talking about in America Oh yeah no right okay so not a threat to the American people. What threat does Iran post to the American people? Zero Mike Pence had to lie on twitter. And say they were in on the nine eleven plot. This Lara Logan on Fox News has to lie and say that they were in on nine. Eleven that's not true. Iran one is not at war with the United States has ballade did not knock our towers down and if Americans and especially the Israelites in the United States led by the neoconservative movement. If they're mad that Iran has more power and influence in Iraq and in Syria than they used to. Well they should just stop on their own feet beat because it's all their fault. They're the ones who did it. Not only did they get rid of Saddam Hussein for them and fight a five year civil war on their air. Friends behalf to kick the sooners entirely out of the capital city in the rest of it in Iraq war to they also buy backing the al Qaeda suicide I bomber terrorists in Syria drove Assad deeper into Iran's arms before they were friends and allies now. Syria is entirely dependent on Iran for its security and Iran support for Hezbollah to support Assad to protect his state from the CIA backed Bin Laden. Night Hi terrorists. It's all their fault. Now they WANNA cry. We talked about when trump tried to get out of Syria twice. Now they say no. Iran's power and influence in Syria has increased somehow magically has nothing to do with the history of the last twenty years but now it's a problem and this it goes in fact back to the prelude to the attack on the American base. The Israelis have been bombing Iranian targets. They claim and Shiite militia militia targets in Iraq for the last six months. How come that is always truncated out of the story? And the whole thing has to begin with an attack a rocket attack back on the twenty seventh of December the Israelis have been attacking who our allies the Shiite side in Iraq in a war that these rallies very much help the American government encouraged the American government to start in the first place. Can we just ask. Maybe this is somewhat rhetorical Oracle but when you look at the people you in the past have on this program referred to as the genuine bad guys. Sometimes they'll be an Islamic group where you say all right these these people are genuinely you know the cut people's hands off barbarians and there's nothing to be said on their defense but how many of those people that the. US has really found itself in real conflict with been Shiites. Well I mean Sunni look. They're they're bad guys on all sides of this thing. I mean the religious authorities forties on the Shiite side are pretty to -Tarian as well no question but the point is in terms of conflict right. See that's the whole thing is. Islamic extremism is not at the heart of the conflict at all so you can have Islamic extremists ruling a state like Iran. And that's no real threat to US whatsoever. All that makes them a threat. Rhett is that they declared independence from us in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine and have been able to maintain and you can have Islamic extremist Sunnis who mind their own business all damn day. Never bother anyone. What's always is an issue here is radical politics and just like in America? You know fundamentalist Christians what we call the Christian Right Ralph Reed and Jerry Falwell and that whole kind of Protestant political republican movement. That grew up. That really started with Jimmy Carter and then of course. They moved into the Republican Party with Ronald Reagan. But through most of American history there have been always huge kind of revivalist movements every twenty years or so oh for Protestant fundamentalist Christianity. The very rarely does it translate directly into a political coalition. oftentimes religious. People are concerned with the afterlife life and just other issues rather than you know dealing with politics have all those same kinds of divisions over there as well so it's really not in a matter of WHO's a fundamentalist or how fundamentalist one group acts or the other as far certainly not in terms of when the Americans are choosing which which side to be on. That's absolutely not the criteria and the American set-back Llamas. Since you know the days of the Cold War when we inherited all this policy from the British in order to spite the nationalists like Nassir in Egypt or most deck in Iran America the Ayatollah Tola of the nineteen eighties Ayatollah Khamenei. He actually had helped. The Americans overthrow the Iranian government in nineteen fifty three. That was why when he came to power. They weren't worried about it. They said we know this guy. He's all right and you know didn't mind his overthrow the Shah when he came to power in seventy nine. The hostage crisis broke out later. Eleven months later by our ten months later. That always gets truncated. When people talk about the Iranian Revolution? They make it sound like all the hostages hostages taken on the first day it was at the end of the year that the hostages were taken and there was plenty of time. You know where things seem like. They might be all right before that happened. And then of course. The Reagan administration had a covert relationship with the Iranians all along anyway. So do the Israelis from all along after the Iranian revolution. And that just goes to show right there. How hollow all this stuff is about? Oh the dangerous you know just the same thing they do David Koresh right. Oh he's crazy you can't talk talk to him. His beliefs are so unconventional that. It means that you can't just send Donald Rumsfeld to go over there and shake hands and make threats like he can with anybody else you know they try to play that in that way but the real history just completely belies that you know again. I told the story a bunch of times on the show before and I know it's hard for people sometimes to keep track of the shirts and skins and all that but when America invaded Iraq in two thousand and three and got rid of Saddam. The super majority Shiite population stood back and watched and the Supreme Islamic Council at the behest of Iran where they had been living for thirty years since Jimmy Carter hired Saddam to invade Iran back in nineteen eighty. When they came across the border they were under orders from Iran to cooperate with the Americans? Don't resist them in any way. Do whatever they say. We're in the CATBIRD seat. They're giving it all to us now and then it one year not even almost one year into the occupation in January of two thousand four this Shiite the Ayatollah Sistani said we want one man. One vote you say you're giving us democracy. We WanNA see democracy and in other words. Hey Bush you wanNA start this war. All over again against the super majority of the population and Bush flinched right. Then that was the end of that. No Oh I guess I don't. So then. America sat there and oversaw the process by which Sus Janis allies and the Iranians allies in Darwin. Scary wrote the Constitution and then the big purple fingered election of two thousand five January two thousand five one year later they won the super majority and then went to war. This Donald Rumsfeld fell brought the bottom brigade straight into the army. David portrays started building the Iraqi army the Bader Brigade at its core and they launched what was called the El Salvador option. Yeah that's a reference to previous war crimes in the nineteen eighties in Nicaragua El Salvador when they supported the Iranians on the contras to same time they supported Iraq keeping contract anyway nell Salvador option. It was hunt down and kill the leaders of the Sunni insurgency which just made it worse in which just essentially you know was the launch much of the civil war against the Sunni minority and ethnic cleansing or sectarian cleansing campaign to kick them out of the capital city. And this is all remember in the wikileaks Chelsea. Manning sitting in prison again right now for her roic liberating the Iraq war logs that showed were Donald Rumsfeld. Had the military turning you know any soon. He's arrested were being turned over to the bottom gate to be tortured and murdered with power drills and they were massacring the Sunnis I mean I was talking with Matthew. How about this actually earlier today on on the phone just talking and I think you mentioned this also in the interview the other day you know they were stack? They would get up. In the morning and there'd be suny stacked like cordwood on the side of the road clogging log on the rivers clogged gutters tortured and murdered by the thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands. That was the Americans and the Shia working together against the Sunnis in the famous. Clint Eastwood Movie About Chris Kyle American sniper. They show the enemy have the power drills and are torturing and murdering their victims with them when in reality those were our allies those were the bottom brigade whether the American Army Marine greencore working for them or the other way around. Obviously a bit of both those were the guys were murdering people with power drills. You know so anyway. I guess I got off on a tangent there about to war crimes Tom. We'll hold on. Let let let me bring you back to trump himself. And how we evaluate him is compared appeared to Obama and Bush in this whole war on terror fiasco. I have this tweet from January eighth of this year. Twenty Twenty Senator Rand Paul saying I spoke with Donald Trump today. The president shares my thoughts. That the last thing we need is another ground war. He doesn't want endless wars. I continue to hope for de-escalation and diplomacy and whenever I complain about something. Trump does and foreign policy. I get pushback from people who say well first of all they say. I didn't say the same thing about his predecessors I but of course they must not know me because that's all I said about his predecessors but they say you have to look at this by way of comparison compared to the others. He is obviously helping adding to end the wars. And disengage the US from the Middle East. Do you see evidence of that no well. Let's break this thing and a two things. First of all on this issue trump was not trying going to start a war and he was trying to get the last word and and say to the Iranians. Don't you mess with me now. This entire crisis was created by hint. He withdrew from from the awesome nuclear deal. I know your audience leans right wing and have been completely brainwashed by. Oh defensive well well stop right there in defense of my audience overwhelmingly. They supported the Iran. Nuclear deal just so you know okay. Maybe the standard right wing people. Yeah well well I didn't want to I was trying to absolve them rather than attack them. But I hear what you're saying. I'm it's true that anyone who's exposed to right-leaning media at all is just inundated with propaganda about the nuclear deal when the reality is they weren't even making nuclear bombs in the first place was wrong. The deal is that it was superfluous us. But the whole thing about the gotTa Pallet of cash. It was their money that Jimmy Carter had stolen that America had been sitting on this whole time and all they did imagine that deal. I hate to give John Kerry credit and I always say this I really hate John Carey so much but here. He made a deal with a locked down. Their program broadened inspections poured poured concrete in the middle of their heavy-water reactor and made all these concessions and all our side did was give him some of their own money back and lift some sanctions in other the word. Stop sanctioning them so we can give them anything. We didn't do anything for them to give them their own money and stop doing something that we've been in doing. In restricting trade was all America gave in that deal. It was a great deal and what it did is it took the threat of war off the table because it meant even the hawks cannot pretend that there's a nuclear threat here. There's just not. Their program is double lockdown beyond any in history and trump. Got Out of that deal because of politics takes frankly because Sheldon Adelson is a billionaire. He's a Likud Guy Very loyal Israel in his own words he says so he's a casino magnet. It owns a bunch of casinos in Macau and has billions of dollars and at some point trump realize he might be able to afford his own campaign. But who's going to re elect the Congress Congress and in the last two elections Sheldon Adelson has given the Republicans are hundred million dollars both times and has been a major part and he ain't the only one you know Bernard Marcus and very few other varies. Zionists donors give big you know huge urge dollar amount contributions to the Republican and Democratic parties. And they're just completely dependent on and Donald Trump will do anything to please that faction and so he's generated this whole crisis including putting Sulejmani the I. R. G. On the terrorist list which is at that point meaningless. If you know the terrorist list are stateless groups you know and then you're just putting that'd be like putting the American Delta Force on the terrorist list when come on it's part of the. US Army Special Operations Command. You know what I mean. Joint Special Operations Command as just an unnecessarily picked this whole fight fight with the Iranians when everything was ratcheting down with Iran when he came into power completely unnecessarily is true that he hasn't started any new wars but then again he came into power with like ten going and he's escalated every single one of them and he's on the record digesting testing the wars in Afghanistan Syria and Somalia and yeah he has escalated all three of them he sent ten thousand more troops Afghanistan and he escalated the air war by some major percentage leading through the deaths of tens of thousands. More people since is he ordered the escalation in August twenty. Seventeen that doesn't count. He's increased the war in Somalia in Washington. Post they quote him saying why are we even in Somalia. I don't even want to be there. And Mattis tells them you have no choice and so he says okay fine and gives them four thousand infantry not not just special forces he sends in the infantry to go fight al-shabaab he escalated. The war against the Islamic state told the military whatever restrictions and that you're obeying in terms of your targeting and all of that I want them as loose can possibly be within the law go absolutely after one hundred percent which meant devolving the chain of command. You know the orders for action down the chain of command to the battlefield level in more cases and leading many more civilian casualties realties. Now is Iraq three again. The war fought for the Shiite militias in Iraq. He's escalades special operations and a drone war in Libya as well as spending money and putting his thumb on the Scales and working with the Allies and continuing the war in Libya and on down into Mali Chad Niger Nigeria burkina-fasso and Sierra Leone yet special operations forces crawling all over north and Western in Africa right now in the name of the war on terrorism whereas he rolled back any of it. Nowhere the only place where you can say that. It's been reduced in any way. Is they destroyed the Islamic state. There's nothing left of so when he came into power and again Obama built the thing in the first place. He doesn't get credit for destroying it but I'm just saying it is a fact that it was already almost destroyed by the time trump was sworn in he spent his first year in office essentially finishing the war Iraq Iraq war three against the Islamic state and turning them back into stateless militia terrorist group as they were before and he's gotten us out of nowhere and he's backed down and rolled over like Barack Obama for the generals on every one of these things and I skipped Yemen which is the very worst one of all which his a literal genocide and where he like. Obama is leading from behind and letting the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates. Suppose Takeda Take the lead in the war and take the responsibility if you listen to TV. If they talk about it ever they call. The Saudi led coalition when America America is the world empire and Saudi Arabia is our satellite and the whole war was launched with a green light from Barack Obama and with American American Military Intelligence and Armaments Support Naval Support Air Force support from the very beginning. And in fact you know as long as I'm on Yemen let me do one more tangent on this thing Tom exactly five years ago in January of two thousand fifteen the Wall Street Journal and Al Monitor both had big stories about how America was working with the WHO these this group of Shiites out of the North to target and kill Al Qaeda in Iraq. Now not for that. The whole you know. The project against Al Qaeda in Yemen has been terribly counterproductive and has helped to this crisis but anyway the narrow view at least the who these the Americans uh-huh were giving them until and then they were taking it and they were killing al Qaeda guys and this these are real. Okay guys. These are al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. That bomb the coal that tried to blow up the plane over Detroit Reut on Christmas Day. Two thousand nine. That did the Charlie Hebdo attack relocated guys including one of their founders father-in-law of one of the nine eleven hijackers and ran the phone own switchboard house over there. And all this stuff and it was Michael Vickers General Michael Vickers the deputy secretary of defense for intelligence within. Yeah we're working with the WHO th-this they're doing a pretty good job gotta say hey just two months. Later in March of Two Thousand Fifteen Barack Obama stabbed him in the back and took al-Qaeda's side against them nats the war that Donald Donald Trump has continued for almost three years now just two months shy of three years has been the more four al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia and the UAE against their enemies. Who these why? Because oh I heard somewhere that the who these are friends with and backed by Iran even even though the Iranians told them not to conquer the capital city the Iranian support for them. Even according to a lot of the hawks their interest there are very limited and as one great expert wrote in foreign policy. The WHO these are not Hezbollah they are not the fifty first state of Iran in the way that Hezbollah really is there took great much greater degree anyway and so you know under a fake excuse of enemy. That's not even an enemy that's just a regional. Oh adversary Obama. And then trump has fighting on the side of our enemies and I mean our enemies. I mean the guys who shed the blood of thousands of innocent Americans and it's because again go back the nine eleven hijackers were not from the axis of evil countries. They weren't from Iran Iraq Syria there from Saudi and Egypt. Mostly they hate us because we're too close to their governments Iran Iraq Syria. They're in our way. Those countries were independent. From American. Eric dominance of the Middle East. And therefore you know supposedly at least amount to a threat to the Israelis and to American interests control of energy resources for the whole planet and so have to go but that means that most of the time when we fight fighting on the side of the guys who knocked the tower stone. That's shocking the most people when you said that before. They can't believe this could be right. There's no this must just be Scott. Horton's a Weirdo. They can't possibly doubly believe that this could be right. You know what it is. All you gotTa do is just go back over and keep your mind. Keep your eye on. WHO's the shirts? and WHO's the skins in this fight. You know and oversimplifying I'm not saying they're fighting about religion. I hate the old trope about well. You know how these savages are always fighting about whose assuming Ian who's a Shia. Somebody's about fighting overpower. And when I see the Iraqi Shia. I'm not talking about the people I'm talking about. The power factions the Supreme Islamic Council. The Dawa Party those chosen Zain by the Ayatollah Khamenei and the Ayatollah W Bush. You know I'm not trying to blame it on religion it's about power about land and about oil wealth obviously control and as always it's about Israel I mean at the hardest thing and if you go look at GO THE ANTIWAR DOT COM slash Scott for my last article is called Iraq war four and in there I linked to and I talk about the neo conservatives in the nineteen nineties Wendy's the guys who ended up working for w Bush Cheney that they were so stupid they believe these lies that if they got rid of Saddam and put the Iraqis Iraqis super majority Shia population. You know their power factions in control there that that would give America total dominance over Iraq and therefore for Iran as well and that. Then it'd be great. They could even Ahmed Chalabi had promised them will even bill the oil and water pipeline from Mosul to Haifa safer and so in other words these Neil Conservatives are absolutely as stupid as they are premeditated murderers in liars who got us into this war and it absolutely did not turn out like they thought it was going to at all and they've been trying to make up for that ever since and so you know. This is what they do. I look at the war in Syria. Let's let's wrap things up this way. Yeah well I'll just say look serious because I want WanNa keep this manageable but make your point quickly and then I I have a wrap up question. Yes Sir I mean why in the world would Barack Obama get on the side of Al Qaeda in Syria. It's not because he's a secret Muslim born in Kenya he picked up that policy from George W Bush and that is to try to make up for the fact that we gave them Baghdad in Iraq war to. We'll we'll try to take Damascus away from them as kind of a consolation prize. He said it in the Atlantic in two thousand twelve. Jeffrey Goldberg the article is called as president. I don't bluff and Goldberg says boy you know getting rid of Assad to be a great way to hurt Iran. Don't you think and Obamas' absolutely and so so. That is the explanation of the war in Syria for the al Qaeda terrorists that took place during the Obama years there. There's no other explanation for it. That is the one and only explanation. The Americans and the Israelis there Saudi and Turkish allies. They all wished that America had not fought Iraq war two for this year so they were trying to make up for that fact by getting rid of Assad and that only blew up in their face to only made Iran even more powerful than before just like Iraq did all right. Here's I want to wrap this up. What long-term difference do you think this particular strike by trump and then the the response by Iran is going and to make it just a blip on the screen in the grand scheme of things? You know I'm not really sure about that. I think that You know for all the people and all all the different factions who are really upset about it they essentially were all outside of American control and influence in the first place. I mean there's a danger of of continued reprisal attacks and grudges very serious grudges about this going forward. It really just depends. You know the future of America's position over there what they tried to do. I mean right now. The best thing I think that could happen would be for the Iranians to lean on the Iraqi parliament and their allies in the Iraqi. Jackie parliament that America thrown there to kick us out again and it and then that way. There's that much less less to fight about again. They're not making nuclear bombs. There's no fight. They're they're not taking advantage of power in Iraq now any more than they ever have been they you know part of the story here is Sola. Mani was actually on a peace mission. According to the Iraqi Prime Minister he was delivering a peace message. The Iranian response to Saudi feelers for peace talks which I think is credible you know Story impossible even indicates that that was maybe even the real motive for killing him was to prevent the Saudis and the Iranians from working things out Less cynical things have happened but you know the ayatollah is not nuts and he would have to be nuts to do something much worse and provoke a much worse response from the Americans arrogance and the degree of command and control. He has over all of his loyal forces around the region. And what have you. I don't really know but this is a great time to call it quits again contrary your facebook friend there Mohammed the guy that they killed at the airport was Sulejmani is one of America's greatest allies for the last seventeen in years and yet he's a bastard horrible torture and a murderer that was America hired him but if it's so true that he's so bad because of what side he was on that America had to bomb him then now must be a perfect time to just call off our whole intervention there. I think even your facebook friend would agree with that all right. Well that's where we'll leave it Scott Horton Dot. Org Is Scott's website but you want to check the Libertarian Institute over at Libertarian Institute Dot Org Dot Dot Org is it or great yeah Yeah Libertarians. Dot Org support Scott's work Over there as I do on a regular basis through Through Scott's own site Because he's doing important work and the world a better place because he's doing it so thanks again. Scott thank you to our. 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The Jewish Story Season 2, Episode 35: The Warsaw Ghetto and the Rise of Jewish Resistance

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The Jewish Story Season 2, Episode 35: The Warsaw Ghetto and the Rise of Jewish Resistance

"Thank you for downloading this podcast from the process institute of Jewish studies, so more originals horror content. Visit Almonte dot podcasts dot ORG. It. Now, a prayer says Elliot's Ellen his book night, or rather, a piece of advice, let there be comradeship among you, we are all brothers, and we're all suffering the same fate the same smoke floats over all our heads help one another it is the only way to survive. Well, one Accu is all that we should all be rather than sisters, and we should give each other that helping hand I'm rob Mike Feuer. And this is the Jewish story. Episode thirty five gates are shut. By the end of nineteen forty one any Jew left in Europe wet is in his head to see recognize that it was late run. They hadn't heeded Jefferson's. He's warning and now Poland was long overrun by the Nazis in the doors of Europe are shutting fast off to the west fortress Europe looms, and it's going to be nearly three years before the unbelievably brutal Normandy invasion, manages to crack the Nazi defenses facing the Atlantic. And when they do don't forget, more than two hundred thousand allied troops will die on the beaches of France, not to mention even greater number of Germans. But by the time the allies arrived in western Europe, view Jews will remain, just those hiding in holes or addicts or fled the woods as partisans off to the east in the other direction. The door is definitely shut. I mean, the Germans and the Russians have been mauling each other since operation Barbara's sneak attack, ended, the Nazi Soviet Niagara. It's true that the German offensive stalled at Moscow, and eventually the tide of war will actually turn against them through the bloody battle of Stalingrad toward the end of nineteen forty two but none, the less death lay to the east for the Jews. Not freedom in the initial phase of that invasion. Nazis gain, the Laban's round the living room, they were looking for, and the economic resources. They were racing across the breadbasket Ukraine toward the oil of the Congress's. That's what it was about. And they also gained millions more Jews these newly conquered territories together with the rest of the Nazi Soviet battlegrounds that will emerge will become what historian, Timothy's Neider calls, the blood lands, his claim is that as the Nazis and the Soviets, I collaborated and then clash he turned Poland Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and the Baltic states into gigantic killing fields, the double occupation destroyed any apparatus of. State or even fabric of society that could or would stand in the way of the beast, which these totalitarian societies on in their men what followed was a sustained campaign of killing men women and children, the likes of which had been unimaginable in Europe up till now. I mean, just for context, more than two million combatants were wounded captured or killed at the battle of Stalingrad alone. But the blood lands were not about combat deaths. They were soaked with the blood of the victims of ideological mass murder, the Nazis, innovated industrialized smoothly administrated, killing of Jews in the death camps of Treblinka out of it trays instead Belzec Ma the house and Sobibor, most of which were back actually in western in central Europe. It was here in the open lands of the east where the most Jews died where the Germans perfect. The crude and local means of murder, like mass shootings, Babi, Yar outside of Kiev. Only the best known. That's because thirty three thousand seven hundred seventy one Jews were killed in a single operation on September twenty ninth thirtieth, nineteen forty one seven hundred and three per hour almost twelve per minute. And that's the gunshots rang out unceasingly day and night. According to Snyder more than fourteen million noncombatants died in the blood lands from nineteen thirty three to nineteen Forty-five, victims of the Nazi and Soviet ideologies, and the presence in the heart of Europe of a world, which existed without law, or even human morality. Now, there are pundits and historians who criticize neither these saying that his numbers in the equivalence. He draws between the murderous nature of the Soviet and the Nazis reduces the significance of the holocaust, and I'm not going to weigh in on that debate, because despite the overwhelming idea of six million Jews. Murdered one third of our people dead for the sole reason of being who they were in my eyes. Is the numbers of the holocaust are actually not, what matter because the fact is that Hitler and his men aimed to kill every Jew on the planet, and they would have done it six million were simply all managed to get you before they were stopped. No, forget the Nazis weren't just after our death wanted to erase our memory to remove all traces of the Jewish infection from their culture, establishing a pure race in a new world to me the significance of the holocaust lies, not in the numbers, who were even in the chilling modern means of murder that the Nazis innovated, but rather in the role that the show a place in the Jewish story, and therefore in the story of the world, and what that role is, is still far from clear, even seventy plus years later. But you think that dinosaurs knew that was all over right? When the asteroid hit so Europe is closed. There was a last glimmer of hope in the illegal ships, designers were still trying to launch or the mandate and December twelfth. Nineteen forty one only a month or so, before the fate of the Jews under Nazi rule was given it final bureaucratic form. And the one c conference we discussed last episode ship loaded with skis, actually, managed to sail from Constanza in Romania with seven hundred and sixty nine souls aboard the Struma aim to reach Turkey and from there to await certificates of entry for British Palestine, which even under the harsh rule. The MacDonald, white paper was still a last hope for refuge. The vessel was commissioned by Japanese news, Zionist organization. Those are the us in the air, go and underground militia. It was the last boatload of Jews to leave Europe in wartime. They shut the gates behind them. Now the Turkish authorities refused to allow the passengers to disembark when they arrive for fear that the British wouldn't give them the certificates and then Turkey would be forced to take the Jews in and despite the pleading of the captain, that has ship was unfit to continue on its way the Turks tote it back. To the Black Sea on February thirteenth, nineteen forty two on the following day. A mighty explosion was heard, and the ship went down all hands aboard only one survivor ever reached areas Israeli the tell tale. So the doors are shut in some scattered, where they would many lay down in dive with there were those whose eyes were opened by the shadow of death to a New York City. Listen to the words of the first call of the original awaking of the Jews the inconceivable reality that can ended them. Let's not go, like sheep to the slaughter. Oh, Jewish youth. Do not believe those who are deceiving. You out of eighty thousand Jews of the Jerusalem. With, with Wayne Lia at Vilna, only twenty thousand remain in front of your eyes, our parents, our brothers, our sisters are being torn away from us. Where are the hundreds of men were snatched away, for labor by the Lithuanian kidnappers. Where are those naked women who were taken away on the horror night of the provocation, anyone who has taken out through the gates of the ghetto will never return all roads? The ghetto lead to Ponnary and Ponnary means death. Oh, despairing people hair, this deception away from your is your children, your husband's your wives, are no longer alive. Ponnary is not a labor camp everyone. There is shot Hitler aims at destroying the Jews of Europe. It turned out to be the face. Eight of the Jews of Lithuania to be the first let us not go, like sheep to the slaughter is true that we are weak lacking protection, but the only reply to a murder is resistance brothers is better to die as free fighters than the live at the mercy of killers, resist resist to our last wrath. More perhaps, than any other city in Europe, Warsaw embodied, the fullness of European Jewish existence. Traditional Heidi stood shoulder to shoulder with modern cosmopolitanism learning literature and art bubbled up on every street corner life life, itself, every facet of Jewish culture thrive there, and it was no ghetto, despite the traditional and widespread, polish antisemitism juice can be found in the full range of social civic, and cultural life at almost every level. And so with the destruction of Warsaw jury came the end of European Jewish life, as we know it and the even auntie invasion Jews made up thirty percent of the city's population. There were nearly three and a half million Jews in pulling altogether and ninety percent of them would be murdered before the war's end these Jews had helped build world society that fought in its wars of freedom to even. Saying patriotic songs when they drank. But all that ended on September twenty ninth when after weeks of fighting the siege to the city ended, and the German armies entered Warsaw's gates truth is the Jews knew it was all over even before the Nazis arrived, or at least visine us, new, and those willing to listen to them hadn't Jabotinsky warned just last summer to get out before it was too late. And when it's be Greenberg already known as the poet prophet to Jewish youth, and whose extreme revisionist views only made him all of the more hero in their eyes. Burst into the offices of the language daily, Doug moment, only days after the Germans cost polish border, he shouted. What are you doing here? It's all over and the words of the prophet can't be ignored those who could scattered some fleeing south after spe- hoping against hope that the remaining Boris delay open. He actually made it there. To thrill many more headed north to Vilna, hoping that the Jerusalem of Baltic jury offered safety from the Nazi threat, they suffered I under the Soviet occupation. Many disappearing into the gulag prisons of the east concentration camps USSR style Menachem Begin who story will see in the next episode took that path, and those that remain. Well, many died at the hands of the Nazis at pony, like we heard about at the end of the last segment. But most of the Jews of Warsaw stayed put why run when you're already at the center and they dismissed the words of the prophets long ago and when the Germans began to build the ghetto wall around the traditional Jewish quarter, I'm willing to bet that there were more than a few who took comfort from this barrier being put up between them and the non Jewish world, but as the wall rose, and the remaining Jews outside the ghetto were hurt it in until more than four hundred thousand human beings were packed into an area of only one point three square miles. As the amount of food which passed the ghetto walls dropped steadily in disease, spread life became increasingly desperate, it seems that the ghetto began as a holding pen place to Corentin that Jewish infection, and where mass death was really only a side benefit and the very ambivalence of its first phase was expressive of the lack of clarity amongst, not the leadership in the first phase of the war. What were they going to do with the Jewish problem, where the Jews to be walled off, slowly starve exploited a slave labor or had the time come for a final solution, the construction of the ghetto, wall began April first nineteen forty and by most accounts, despite the scale with the building the construction of the cattle was largely ignored by the Christian. Former neighbors and friends of Warsaw's Jews most turned a blind eye to their disappearance into the world of the ghetto and many were not sorry when the gates finally shut regard in Jewish competition. Was erased forever on October. Sixteenth. The creation of the ghetto was officially announced by the German governor, general Hans Frank. And by November fifteenth a month later. The Jews, of course, our completely sealed off from the outside world mind. Three meters of brick top with barbed-wire escapees to be shot on sight, the ghetto entailed cruelty of control that is hard to imagine only one hundred eighty four calories per day per Jew, even allowed through its walls, just to give you a sense as compared to almost seven hundred for the polls and twenty six hundred for the Germans disease spread rapidly in the tight pack and starving an unholy, genyk editions, nevertheless through smuggling and mutual aid life in the ghetto, actually, in many ways, thrived educational, cultural activities, flourish hospitals sprang up soup kitchens, orphanages even recreation centers came into being there was. In a school system. And then there was the own shabas circle. This is a circle of intellectuals and writers and fingers organized by manual Ringo bomb, whose writings archives were actually buried in gradually retrieved after the war through great miracles. By the way, if you want to fictional work, which deals with that, topic, perhaps the most moving in gripping book. I've ever read a holocaust John Hersey the wall, but you have to know it's not actually true. Those archives, however, were real and they brought us the holy book of the h code. There's the peace nets Raby, who was the spiritual master who delved deep into the nature suffering as he lived and died in the Warsaw ghetto. So the posture of spiritual resistance, which was the backbone of traditional Jewish culture for much of European history. In my eyes would allow the Jews to grow, even in this the darkness of places, but that all change. On July twenty second nineteen forty two the eve of the ninth of ATI Shabaab tough sheen. Bet the onesie conference, had just resolved the Embiid of the Nazi hierarchy mass murder could begin and their victims had already been concentrated in one place. The only major logistical challenge, which remained was how to move those Jews from the ghetto to the death camps at first the Germans promised those who would voluntarily for it to the womb slog, plots the collection point that they established within the ghetto for transfer to the east, as they called it would receive three kilo Brad. And one q of jam. Now there were enough Jews hovering at starvation level, that in many thousands after all they still had no idea as to where they are being taken and hard labor at the warfront didn't sound so bad. At least you feed your slaves. Right. And even when the scientists began to circulate the rumors of gas chambers. And crematoria who could possibly believe such madness? But after few days volunteers, actually stopped coming, maybe it was the site of the brothers and sisters packed into cattle cars squeeze so tight that many died standing up. Maybe it was designed as propaganda telling the people that cooperation meant certain death either way the Nazis. Switch tactics now whole city blocks were cordoned off in Jewish. Police were sent in to remove the resonance once they were on the streets. It was the Germans that carried out the selection while they sent, polish and Ukrainian policemen. Just ransacked the buildings after them panic rolled in waves to the ghetto confusion anger despair, those who could hit those who could not died by the time the action as the Nazis called it ended on September twenty Firth Yom Kippur day, nearly two hundred sixty five thousand souls have been deported to the dribbling. Extermination camp. There. They were either gassed and cremated upon arrival work to death through a brutal combination of slave labor starvation after the deportations. An estimated sixty thousand Jews remained within the ghetto walls, and a strange comb settled over that shrunken ghetto with it came a sense of bitterness, and shame many survivors blame themselves, the well known phenomenon survivor's guilt. And if you're a Jew out there listening to me, who knows a little bit about your story. You should look inside yourself and ask where are you carrying that guilt? So many this virus, there in the ghetto blame themselves for not resisting as had watched their family and heads be taken in all knew that sooner or later, they would share the same fate, now, it was largely the young and strong with survive natural selection of the evil is in most unnatural kind and as with all such evolutionary processes, a new creature. Was forced into being the fighting ju it began when the members of three Zionist youth movements, we've actually met before I show her how to throw in Khiva establish the first cell, and when the poor light Sione, join them in October of nineteen forty to the Jewish fighting organization aka Zeo, be was born within a short time, even the bund, right. The socialist anti-zionist Emma, communist, put aside the ideological differences and United behind Twenty-three-year-old more high eleven of the hasher Mahat's at your movement, who became commander of the Jewish fighting organization, though, even here in the ghetto at the last desperate moment, the divisions that wracked on Israel were not left, holy behind the right ring, revisionists form, their own organization, the Jewish military union, which did fight alongside but not within vizier, OBE, desperate. The fighters worked with smugglers to purchase any weapon they could though the home. Army the polish underground, which was fighting an ongoing battle with German occupies the time at I stood aloof from their uprising refusing to coordinate or even contribute. The Jews were not their problem or perhaps they were, but the Germans were the solution, if it isn't a gathering arms. The could the underground fighters needed to communicate their message to the Jews remain. Scattered throughout the jet. In addition to gathering arms, they could underground fighters, realized that the needed to communicate their message, the Jews remain scattered throughout the ghetto, one manifesto that they plastered on the wall reads, as follows Jews Avar saw the hour is drawing near you must be present prepared to resist not a single Jew should go to the railroad cars. Jews of Warsaw. The hour is drawing near you must be prepared to resist not a single Jew should go to the railroad cars. Those who are unable to put up active resistance should resist, passively and should go into hiding. Our slogan must be all are ready to die as human beings. And January ninth nineteen forty three the Germans launched another round of deportations, the underground leadership believed it was the beginning of the final liquidating of the ghetto, and they decided to come out fighting just imagine the surprise and the phases of the Nazis when they were met not by cowering victims, but by a hail of bullets and molotov cocktails, the last stand of post jury had begun now, the Germans managed to shoot some six hundred Jews and remove five thousand more for transport to the death camps, but after a few days of fierce house to house fighting it were forced to retreat a subsequent attempt by the German army to retake the ghetto with actually repulsed in for a few precious months. The Warsaw ghetto became sovereign Jewish territory, the quest for arms now became even more desperate. The home army chains attitude toward the juice in the light of these initial victories. And they sent a small quantity of arms and explosives in. Through the wall. The network of underground bunkers and tunnels was extended and strengthened in the life of the Jews moved. Truly underground. But the resistance fighters knew that there was only one conclusion to this drama, a handful of rebellious youth with not defeat, the German war machine. And so an April nineteenth nineteen forty three era of Pasa the final battle began. Several hundred German troops escorted by tanks, armored cars in preceded by Ukrainian auxiliary units moved into the ghetto once more their initial protons repulse and wars are watched as ambulances carry the German wounded and dead out of the ghetto. And then a site appeared, which no one could imagine. Even their wildest dreams the polish flag, and the white and blue star of David were raised high on a house Cup, a Marin county square where the revisionists had halted the German advance on the third day of the uprising, you're gonna Stroup as, as leader in Warsaw decided that the only way to break, the resistance was the burn them out. So special units quicker. Flame throwers were sent through the gates sappers blew up the ghetto building by building, as others burned around them and poison gas field the sewers I may eighth nineteen forty three the Germans reach and lavish spunk at eighteen Mula street. And they began to pump poison gas in through the air ducts, the remaining fighters actually took their own lives, rather than die at the hands of their perspective. Murderers, and their bodies are still sealed underground, even now meal eighteen in the remains of their own personal gas chamber with the destruction of the great synagogue of Warsaw on may sixteenth, Germans declared victory. The ghetto was in ruins answer, meaning sixty thousand Jews either murdered on the spot or sent to die in the camps. A few buildings still stood above the smoking rebel in even a handful of Jews. It survived escaping through the sewers the prediction made by RAV Alexander Friedmann secretary, general of goodest Israel in Poland, and one of the Torah leaders who was there in the Warsaw. Ghetto had indeed come true. A Freeman had been amongst the first to try and inform world jury about the death that awaited them saying that the Warsaw ghetto would be the fulfillment of the awful prophecy, found in almost five three, the city that goes out, a thousand strong, we'll have one hundred left and the one that goes out one hundred song, we'll have ten left to the house of Israel. So now I'm left with the question. What is the story of the Warsaw ghetto images of the ghetto held out against the German army longer than many European countries, but we call it victory. I mean, certainly the uprising became an example, for the Jews in other ghettos and camps. But the struggles that followed were feeble, and doomed from the start nineteen forty-three was too late for the Jews of Europe to take the path of resistance. Some of the survivors of the ghetto didn't he live and I can call that victory. They made their way actually demanding Tori Palestine continuing their armed struggle for liberation in the land of Israel and inspiring their brothers and sisters, the fight. The last drop of blood in there is there was only freedom or heinous death. And when the camps were liberated they were joined by thousands more who'd been to hell. And back and had no intention of returning one via Lou beckon, the only female leader of the Jewish war. Underground in Warsaw would later testify at the trial of auto Aikman the architect of the final solution. So I might call that victory. And you need to know that when the modern state of Israel established a day of memory for the holocaust in the national calendar. The following declaration was made on the floor of the Knesset the first Knesset declares determines that the twenty seventh day of the month of Nissan every year shall be. Holocaust and ghetto fighters day, and turn all day of remembrance for the house of Israel, the date, and the name attached. The hulkah- specifically the Warsaw, ghetto uprising. Now, there is so much to explore there in the decision of Zionists to include arm resistance, as a core element of the memory of the story in which honesty, it appears to be a sidelight, and we're going to have to leave a discussion of the challenge that the model of spiritual existence had defined exile life hoses to the activists Zion. Coast to another time. And Furthermore, how it relates to their subsequent need to define European jury as weak and pass it now, certainly most people are aware of the power that resistance offers as a moral model. They beacon of nobility that can light are way down through history. But for the sake of our story, now, I can't answer the question of what's the story of the Warsaw ghetto? But I wanna market. I wanna Mark the Warsaw ghetto uprising as the end of a certain model of click quiet diplomacy of the Stoddard lawns acquiescence to the reality of thirty and the neat, the bow to the power of the non Jews and beg just to save a little bit in my eyes. The decision to fight was not premised on hope for victory, or even on the expectation of survival that decision was an assertion of Tommy, it was a cry history and to the future that the Jews who came next would never allow their enemies to define them. In the fires that destroyed the Warsaw ghetto forge a Jew, who had no longer looked to the world for help or salvation or even kindness. And as such there's a direct line that we're going to have to trace from the bunkers of the Warsaw ghetto to the declaration of independence in Israel in nineteen forty eight and to the Manny, Manny problem attics that exists even now in the relationship between Jew in non Jew, and the state of Israel. But for right now, no chapter ever. So tragic is the last, not all the Jews of the world were in Europe, when the joys shot or even in the land of Israel, the time has come to glance across the ocean to America where the doors are not quite close yet in the path of apply. Diplomacy is alive and well. Many ways will work to marks the emergence of American Jewry as a separate player in our version of the Jewish story in as is true of any element of significance in history. There's a deep debate over what exactly their role is in the present chapter. What do I mean? I mean American dream do everything they could to save their brothers. Were they making the best effort, only to be thwarted by their relative powerlessness within the American political system, compounded by widespread antisemitism, and the challenge of making any waves during wartime? Or do they abandon their brothers due a sense of distance in alienated from the Jews of Europe? Jealousy for communal position and power, and in over-focus on the Zionist project as the solution to the Jewish problem. There are historians politicians and present day community leaders will line up on both sides of that debate. In fact, if you want to stir up a lively, reaction from a certain generation of engaged American Jews just. Start tossing out provocative comments. But whether US jury did enough to stop the holocaust or not. Don't tell them I told you so though, okay? So the issue immigration was the first phase of the question, and then actually began well before the war broke out the country that elected FDR Franklin Delano Roosevelt, president for the first time in nineteen thirty two was a deeply troubled place. Let's not forget that you Konami was paralyzed deepen the grip of the great depression in near the twenty five percent of the workforce was unemployed. Furthermore, it was still licking its wound, physical, psychological, and political from the first World War, and you could say that deeply 'isolation is element has actually always existed in American culture. After all, what's rugged individualism, if it's not rooted in the desire to be alone. Think of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. And this characteristically American disposition after all no one's ever heard of a French isolationist had a deep root in the physical isolation of the new world from the old and then also played a formative role in launching American Jewish culture. After all America's distance from Europe was part of its attraction for the Jews, as it had been for so many ways of immigrants before them, for many Jews, America was the golden Medina the Golden State that existed on the edge of their dreams, a place of big opportunity, bright, future, and that was true for so many ways of immigrants and also a place of freedom where the bonds of the past be the hatred tradition. Or both could be left far behind. And for those same two reasons he attraction of the future, and the possibility of abandoning the past many other Jews called America. The trade him Edina, impure state. An as Americans -ociety opened up more and more. To the Jews and each decade of the twentieth century to prewar. Jury it appeared that traditional European religious life had no place in the new world. I mean, the soil just didn't seem fit for such a foreign transport. It's true that certain major you. She vote schools of orthodox tore learning will manage to make the jump, and the iconic hells yeshiva opened its doors in my hometown of Cleveland. But that was at the height of the war in nineteen forty one and maybe in season three, we can discuss the rise of the Chola movement, the community learning model and the other factors that created American orthodoxy. But for now, just know it was reformed Judaism at served as the founding religion of the majority of our American Jewish forefathers, and that also deserves its own full story. But for the present purpose, the key element that reform Judaism offered. American Jews was away of being Jewish that allow them to maintain their personal and communal identity while still Mersing themselves. As deeply as possible into American society, and indeed, the Jews, succeeded proving once again that the Jews are just like everyone else, only more, so and we are more American than the Americans. I leave it to bigger scholars than I to give you the hard stats. But I only have to say two things at approved you that the Jews had an inordinate impact on American culture, Hollywood and New York City. So it was love at first sight in a manner, which I see no parallel in this exile. Maybe if I knew more about what life was actually like the Jews after the destruction of the first temple, I would make comparisons. But for now as an American Jew, as well as an Israeli citizen, I can really say it doesn't get better in the US in the Jewish story, actually want to take a second just say, thank you, America. Now, the words aren't enough and I want to let you know that there was a phase of my life, two years in back before I left that I spent living in the woods with at risk. With of America who've been taken out of their schools by the court system, and I'm not telling you that they may sound cool or make myself feel good. I'm telling you because it's very important. It was very important to me at the time that hukou, rod, a Tove to recognize the good that has been done to us as a people, my society that with all the complexities received us with open arms. I want to give this advice to anyone listening who's thinking of joining the team coming up to the land of Israel. Do something big to say. Thank you, before you go. But for now in our story all is rosy between Americans and ju- so long as American Jewish interests coincide because I Sulaiman ISM has a much darker side, it finds political expression in the desire for foreign policy that leaves the world deal with its own problems. And hence Congress's rejection of membership in the league of nations after World War One but it's social manifestation is fear dislike in exclusion of. Coroner's? It's a characteristically American story, the communities, which themselves had been immigrants felt the need to turn and bar the door behind them, not only because the economic thinking of competition for scarce resources, but also out of the cultural desire, that they could become white as it were if I wanted to use a racial term, characterize, what's really social cultural group, power of this mix and American culture is crazy complex and strong. Because of course, there are two significant elements of American history that don't fit that immigration, normalization model. The native Americans and the African Americans and I'm going to resist diving too deep into this messy question. But I will say that when the struggle against President Trump's policies of immigration produced. The slogan, we are all immigrants. I felt the raw rub of history and the half of those two peoples whether they themselves looked at it that way or not. But anyway for now. American immigration law in the years, leading up the holocaust reflected, the desire to bar, the door, and in the late thirties, the desire of American Jews to find shelter for their brothers and sisters was not considered so American. But it was seen as a very Jewish as the situation in Europe. Deteriorated the anti-foreigner isolationist, sentiments in the United States grew American jewelry began to walk on eggshells antisemitism in the United States, never reached intensity that Jew hatred saw in Europe, but large numbers of Americans did look upon Jews, as a foreign undesirable elements and in the thirties anti semitic leaders and movements began to grow around the fringes of American politics, as will happen, when questions of immigration become pressing take, for example, father, Charles Coughlin probably the best known. He was a charismatic priest and political organizer was actually the first American political leader to use radio to really reach a mass off. To create his following during the thirties and estimated thirty million listeners tuned into his weekly broadcasts. At I call him was a vocal supporter of president Roosevelt and his new deal. That looked to get America out of the depression. But as the decade progress, he became a harsh critic accusing the president of being too friendly with the bankers read Jews, and after the nineteen thirty six election, which FDR one again costume began to express sympathy for the governments of Hitler, Mussolini labeling them as the only antidote to the Jewish conspiracy of communism is periodical social Justice, even reprinted the classic anti semitic track protocols of the elders of Zion as a weekly installment now after the outbreak of World War, Two the Roosevelt administration, finally managed to force the cancellation of Caughlin show, and they banned the distribution of social Justice, but the Jews know that thirty million dedicated listeners, don't disappear overnight rose. Battle himself was a hero to American Jews and remained. So for many today, and they gained unprecedented access to the White House during his term in office, even appointed a Jew Andy Morgan bow as secretary of treasury, and he developed personal relationship with RAV rabbi. Stephen wise. Now rabbi. Stephen wise was the godfather of American Jewry in his day. He was a leading reform rabbi and an early American Zionists at a time when the two were very unlikely match. He was president of designers organization, America, Honore, presence of American Jewish Congress. He helped create the World Jewish Congress. He was even a co founder of the N, double ACP in one thousand nine fourteen and so the Jews had a leader. And they felt that their leader had the ear of highest power in a way, which they'd never yet had in America. And when the Germans marched unopposed into Austria in March of nineteen thirty eight president Roosevelt was determined to do something about it. Not to policies for the Jews of Germany since their rise to power, nineteen thirty three made it clear that the unsweetened as they called it put Austraia's one hundred eighty five thousand Jews in the media and serious danger. President Roosevelt call for an international conference on the issue of immigration and the avion conference was convenient July of ninety three eight in avion, France, quote to facilitate the immigration from Germany, Austria of political refugees. It was attended by representatives of three two countries and twenty four voluntary organizations. And even now is seem to be a study in the potential emptiness of international politics, when he heard that the world had gathered at Hitler responded by saying that if the other nations would agree to take the Jews. He was happy to help them leave. I can only hope he says, an expect the other world, which has such deep sympathy for these criminals will these be generous enough to convert this sympathy into practical aid. We. On our part, already put all these criminals at the disposal, these countries for all. I care even unlucky ships and it, I it appeared that the world would rise to the challenge the Dominican public right away offered to give sanctuary to a hundred thousand refugees right from the start, but then came the world of disaster, the polish remaining governments, watching, what was happening announced that they also claim the right to expel their juice. Now, the four hundred seventy five thousand Jews or so left in Germany, and Austria might be absorbed, by the more than thirty nations, which had gathered, but they held out. No hope for the millions of eastern Europe. And so the conference broke up in confusion, golden ear was actually there as a Representative from British mandatory Palestine. And even though the topic was saving the Jews she wasn't permitted to speak or participate in the proceedings except as an observer, but before she departed, she told the press, there's only. One thing I hope to see before I die, and that is that my people should not need expressions of sympathy anymore. You hear the echoes the Warsaw ghetto within months, the Nazis, swallowed the Dayton land, and a year later, they were in Warsaw, organiz immigration was no longer the issue that time for mass escape was at hand in the threat of war, and the fear of waves of foreign refugees flooding America, Royal congress, but despite the growing sense of urgency. The Jews kept silent on the political front. American Jewish Committee dean of American Jewish organizations in rally season wise, as American Jewish Congress, advise their people to observe, quote, a great deal of unnecessary caution as congress was holding stormy debates over how their immigration policy should respond to the global crisis and whenever debates historians may have the numbers give us a certain bottom line. There was much hand wringing back door negotiating and a lot of fear. But there was no concerted large scale ongoing communal political effort to change immigration policy. And so the gates of America were shut as well. Now, the Jews fear of potential explosive. Antisemitism is a back. Lot was certainly not unfounded. And we shouldn't fall prey to what historians. Call present ISM the tendency to look at the past through the lens of the present member in the late nineteen thirties, Jewish communities, political clout, or even any minority communities political clout was minor at best. Now some historians and revisionists thinkers, say that less wholesome motives, drove official Jewish city. They say that these Jews were looking to save their political capital for Zionist goals, and that the Jewish communal organisations were more engaged in infighting than the immigration battle some voices go. Even further claiming that the Jewish world of rabbi. Stephen wise, didn't want the unwashed masses eastern Europe as Samuel Merlin, a key member of the Bergson group who saw we're going to hear in a moment said they were not interested in people who were behaving. Ng in bearing ways, but nineteen forty two was very different than nine thousand nine hundred thirty eight and on August eighth nineteen forty two. Following telegram, reached both the British Foreign office in the American State Department. It was sent by Gerhard Wagner secretary of the World Jewish Congress has office in Geneva to his New York, and London offices. Received alarming report, stating that in the furious headquarters a plan has been discussed and is under consideration Cording to which all Jews in countries occupied or controlled by Germany numbering three and a half to four million's should after deportation and concentrated in the east be at one blow exterminated in order to resolve once and for all the Jewish question in Europe. Stop action is reported to be planned for the autumn. Stop ways of execution are still being discussed including the use of prospect acid. Stop we transmit this information with all the necessary reservation as exactitude cannot be confirmed by us stopped. Our informant is reported to have close connections with the highest German authorities and is reports are generally arrival stop, please inform and consult New York. The head of American rant of the double JC at the time was rabbi, Stephen wise, but he didn't receive the telegram, sent him State Department did not deliver it at least, not until the rabbi learned of rioters, terrible message from Jewish leaders in Great Britain. And when he did he mmediately, approached under secretary of state, Sumner Welles who asks wise, to keep the information, confidential until the government could verify it, why is agreed. And it was not until November of nineteen forty two three months later, wells authorized the release of writers message, hundreds of thousands of Jews may have died while he waited, otherwise held a press conference on the evening of November twenty fourth nineteen forty two and the next day's New York Times reported it on its tenth page. Now, the paper the time was own by the famous Arthur, Sulzberger, a Jew committed to assimilation and deeply opposed Zionism. He. Leaves a time of criticism in the literature. We're having buried the story of the murder of the six million on the back page as does rabbi, Stephen wise himself primarily for failing to risk his close relationship with Roosevelt in order to push to save his fellow Jews, but the rabbis press conference was not the only effort mainstream American Jewish organizations, including that wise as American Jewish Congress did sponsor rallies, and mass meetings in the coming years, but they never directly challenged American policy, and there's a grim comet recorded in the diary of hind Kaplan, which he wrote in the Warsaw ghetto a joke is making the rounds. He writes by Stephen s wise, is helping he's ordered American Jews to say the memorial prayer for the departed souls of police jury his foresight, he's accurate. But not every Jew was willing to let his brothers in Europe go quietly into the night. Petersburg's in was born hill. Cook in Lithuania nine thousand nine hundred fifteen son of rabbi Dov cook, and therefore nephew of Adam Yeta, Cohen, cook the first Ashkenazi chief rabbi of mandatory Palestine, and a personal spiritual. Hero in one thousand twenty four hill on his family made Aliyah. They went up to the land Israel, whereas father became the first chief, rabbi of these rarely city Fula, Hilla was raised in the waves fathers as befits the youngest son of a rabbinic dynasty. And therefore it was only natural that when the time was right. He was sent to Jerusalem to attend his uncle RAV cooks, Mercaz Harav, your Sheva, while at the same time, attending classes at the Hebrew University, and it was at the ladder, where he became a member of a small group of students would later become core members of the revisionist movement, including David Rasi, Al and Avraham stern. We've mentioned and will discuss more. In fact, as the situation between eras, British and Jews deteriorated the story of which we've told in previous episodes, he'll cook became a founding member of the goon Sallai, they'll me. The organization of the national military in nineteen thirty one he served as a post commander for the at cell or just the organ, it's usually known in one thousand nine thirty six every volt quickly rising become a member of the general, staff and hill, meant, Zev Jabotinsky himself. In Poland in nineteen thirty seven where he'd gone to organize and fundraise on behalf of the you're doing Roche bay tar, as Jabotinsky was known eventually asked hill to accompany him to the United States. And with Jabotinsky sudden death there in nineteen forty hill cook became the head of the your gun, and revisionist mission in America cut off by the war from anything, but the most sporadic communication, with the general staff, back in the land of Israel hill, saw himself, and the men with him as a cut off battalion cough, battalion whose mission was absolutely clear. They didn't Herod it from Jabotinsky himself. Their goal was to. Raise the Jewish army, that had been Jabotinsky is life dream in core foreign policy goal since his limited success back in World, War One and since this was a mission that classed with the mainstream Zionist leadership vision with British imperial interests, and even in many ways, with American foreign policy cook, changed his name to Peter Bergson in order to disassociate from his famous uncle on December fourth nineteen forty one three days before Pearl Harbor and Americans official entry into the war. The committee for a Jewish army was officially launched their claim was that the Jews of the mandate there in the land of Israel and those of Europe, who had become stateless because of Hitler had the right in duty to combine into a distinct fighting force that could join allies as a co belligerent now that may sound strange, but remember the word United Nations has it through in the agreement which was made by all the allies the light together. And not make separate pieces with Germany, therefore, there was a tremendous political significance to the Jews being a co belligerent and Bergson plan stress that point that the Jews of Europe needed an independent army, because they had no other nation than the Jewish one. Unlike for instance, the Jews of the United States who are joining the American army in large numbers. The link between stateless European Jews and the Jews and the Jewish homeland of Israel and the distinction between these Jews and the American British etc. Jews was actually a critical point in Bergson thought was developed during his time in America and one that we're going to return to particularly in season three you can already feel within it distinction. Rising between Israeli in ju one that's causing a lot of friction today. And speaking of friction Bergson 's committee made waves right off the bat. I mean press releases full page advertisements in major newspaper alliances with non Jews and aggressive lobbying or all unheard of tactics amongst Jewish official. And when Bergson committee was joined by famous journalists and Highwood screenwriter, Ben Hecht large-scale plays and pageants. Also became part of their strategy and the struggle for a Jewish army began to build real momentum. But. In November of nineteen. Forty two Bergson change discourse, I mentioned, the press conference called by rabbi, Stephen wise, in the wake of the writing telegram, and how it was buried in the back pages of the New York time were hopefully, no one would notice it, no one, but Peter Birks in that is because as he was sitting sipping his coffee before meeting on Capitol Hill destined to push the committee for the Jewish army Ford, Burks and flip to the back of the paper and saw the story. Now the idea of Nazi murder surely wasn't new Burke. Sins work over the last two years, had brought him plenty of word of the great slaughter occurring in Europe. But somehow, this was different Hella Graham, confirmed, officially by the US State Department, that described the program for the systematic, Snirmov nation of European jury was like nothing. He had ever imagined without thinking, he picked up the phone and call the assistant secretary of state. Out of barrel. Awkward name with whom he had met on many occasions, discuss the Jewish army, and he made a meeting for that very morning, and that may sound impressive, but you should know despite the attempts that have been made by Jewish official dome and even the British government itself to discredit Bergson over the last two years. The doors of Washington were open to him. Why that is depends on who you ask. But many people described him as diplomatic in bearing certainly, incredibly charismatic and most importantly, persistent, like a force of nature in pursuit of his goals, Burks, and immediately asked borough when they met if the news of the extermination was correct. And when Berle replied that there could be no doubt, Petersburg's in had only one question. What are you going to do about it, but a shrug and the response what can we do was all the answer? He received in fact, this would become a majority voice within the policy community of the United St.. As government and even amongst many American Jews of the next four years, nothing can be done to save Jews until we win the war. Now, I'm not here to weigh in on the accuracy of judgement or the motivations which underlie it, but I can tell you without doubt that, Peter Bergson refused to accept it. And the result was the emergency committee to save the Jewish people of Europe, Bergson, and his men were able to overcome the incomprehensibility of such a crime, and the inertia of conventional thinking about how to react to it in a miraculously short period of time. And if the efforts of that committee for Jewish army have been strenuous in the activities of the emergency committee were, positively frenzied lobbying and propaganda efforts tripled quadrupled as did the necessary and successful fundraising on March ninth nineteen forty three only a month before the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto began. Forty thousand people filled Madison Square Garden to watch Ben heck production, we will never die emergency committee. Had convinced New York governor Thomas Dewey, to proclaim the day of the pageant and official day of mourning in Newark state and the production struck such a chord that it towards six major cities at the opening Eleanor Roosevelt diplomats from over forty nations and hundreds of congressman field constitution hall in Washington DC, and listened in wrapped as the narrator declared before, our eyes has appeared the strange and awesome picture of a folk being put the death of a great and ancient people in whose veins have lingered for so long. The earliest words and image of God, they shall never die though. They were slaughtered with no weapon in their hands. Though, they feel the dark land of Europe with the smoke of their massacre, they shall never die. Like the rest of the world, the American public would only discover the full horror of the shore, when the allied armies liberated the concentration camps the end of World War Two, but thanks to the Bergson group, there could never again. Be a conspiracy of silence around the mass murder of European Jewry. However, Bergson goal was not just to raise awareness. It was to change policy and save lives in the summer of nineteen forty three after the failed Bermuda conference, which sought once again to address the issue of Jewish refugees. A full page ad appeared in the New York Times, declaring that quote, we all stand before the bar of humanity history and God. And we'll be judged blood guilty. If we do not create the machinery to save the Jewish people of Europe. Emergency committee was demanding the creation of a governmental agency one empowered to save the Jews of Europe something, which seemed like an outrage. Unachievable goal to the rest of Jewish America, especially here at the height of the war. But fortunately for the Bergson group, they didn't agree and fortunately for them and the Jews president Roosevelt, soon found himself under pressure from another source a working on projects to provide aid European Jews treasury department officials discovered that their colleagues over in the State Department were actually undermining the rescue efforts, for juice, when they brought their findings to the secretary of treasury Henry Morgenthau we will call his Jewish and a longtime supporter of the president. He directed them to prepare in fischel report entitled report to the secretary on the sense of this government in the murder of the Jews. I love a good title Morgenthau then presented that report the Roosevelt and requested that he established a rescue agency as the Berks in crew had demanded and it lasts the pressure reached critical mass. On January twenty second nineteen forty four FDR issued executive order nine four one seven creating the war refugee board. John, Pell of the treasury department was appointed as I executive director, now it's getting late, and now's not the time anyway to go into the arguments about it was as much as to be done, too. Little too late, especially as the already overwhelming amount of information is still growing daily, nor can I detail for you. Now, all that the refugee board did achieve estimates are that the WR, be may have saved as many as two hundred thousand Jews, the best known example of how they employed, their mix of economic aid visa wrangling, and outright bribery was their support of the heroic efforts of row. Wallenberg the Swedish diplomat who used his position as special envoy in Budapest, the saved tens of thousands of Jewish lives, and we can only speculate as to how many more might have been saved had the war ref. Gee bore established in August one thousand nine hundred eighty two when Gerhard Ridinger's telegram, reaching United States, and the State Department confirmed. It was true. But that's a question of speculation. Peter Birks in story doesn't end with the w Rb, or even with the end of World War Two, and certainly the growing sense that I mentioned of a fundamental distinction between what he called Jews in Hebrews, which will soon be known as Jusin Israelis has lost. None of its relevance, even in our day, but the next chapter of Berg, sins life, and the next chapter of the Jews, who managed survive the fires of Europe is bound up the struggle for Jewish national independence in the land of Israel, the forcing of the doors of earth, Israel, and that will have to be told coming chapter of our story. So before I think if you people actually just want to you honored to peril Bosch, we'll the hike. 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Panos Cosmatos, Kathleen Burk and Val Garland

Monocle 24: The Monocle Weekly

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Panos Cosmatos, Kathleen Burk and Val Garland

"Hello and welcome to the week. He'll nickel twenty four with me, Robert pounds and Tom Edwards on the show today, Mandy movie, not the evergreen. Environmental classic film director panel soco's motto will be discussing his fantasy or hit a little later in the show will also be welcoming. Historian caffeine. Buck back to the show. Her new book looks at the global influence the US and the UK wise partnership constituents in the making. And we'll be hearing from Vallon leading makeup artist in the fashion industry who's Nuba captures some of the chaos, the hind the council that's out plus Monica's fanatic. Augusta Shekar will be here to him through next week's news. I would enjoy some great music to right here on the Monica weekly on multiple twenty four. I tell good to be here. Rob heavy had pleasant week, could we cypher? It's been quite deep. I've been back as way from the officer, three weeks bit of traveling holiday, and a nice job view that we listen to hear later in the in the air down under the highlight of the places you've been on your globetrotting. Anything stood out, particularly climbed up most of an active volcano in Japan, mount Osama, go on. Yeah, we'll we woke up my wife and I work in Nassir Thome pulled back the curtains. You know, you rub in a hotel room in late at night. Then what's outside? Beautiful, Asian hole championship golf course. Five hundred pounds around volcano cloud that instead smoldering away even as it was puffing away. Okay. Last time it kind of go angry is in twenty seven thing relatively. Yeah. So so yeah, it's nice. I caught some idea of plate tectonics soy's McNeil numbering size. It rumblings. That's nothing to do with financial gossip shekel other than it does sound like next week's news. Though it's next mixed as today, what should we don't? It is indeed unusually have quite a few lights toys, but today, you know, a lot of elections happening, so I simply cannot avoid and I am a little bit of an election freak you are. I do like it. Let's start show starting German, actually chew elections that are talking. They're happening today the first one or the state elections in Bavaria in Germany, of course. And the interesting thing about the election, then everybody's talking about it for the first time in history. The CS you, which is the sister part of city you by of America, they might have less than forty percent of the vote and they might have to enter into coalition of other parties or who knows the might not even be the, you know, the majority party. I think they will still be, but you never know what's going to happen. And this is breakthrough. Any wonder so where who people are voting for? So I think there's quite a few different trends degrees are performing quite well in Bavaro, which is interesting. One of the most. Conservative states there in Germany FD as well. The far right to in twelve thirteen percent. So I think be interesting and and I think the main story years, well, which implications who have a to Angela Merkel's government as well. So. And is this new man of varying politics? Is he the governor or whatever the term is is, is he the guy and he should be natural kind of friends with the seed CD, but isn't is kind of playing ferry horrible with the negotiations on what exactly they being having the CS you in the city. They've been having some disagreements over immigration policy, and I wonder if perhaps some of the voters, specially the ones going to a d. they won't even kind of more restrictions immigration there as well. And the more left-leaning one's going to green. So yeah, it'd be am I look forward to see the result of this one since Germany so it it isn't. Nothing's funny. Is that ankle Markle the beginning of the end of the. Markle era has been pronounced about fifteen years, but this really is it, it's instructive. It's inevitable this. These regional votes will be used as something of a bellwether to for her. I don't know even the successional and perhaps not the people out there to to take over from moody. Maybe if you think about Merckel has the pan European unity figure. I guess there were a whole lot of other countries that were invested in her ongoing success, not just her own, not just her own sort of demographic. So that's probably also showed, and you know, Europe has changed a lot suit me think of what's been going on over the last fifteen years just in terms of the road to federalism or whatever. So very complicated. Absolutely. But do you know still talking about elections, you know, who will be out of power. I if you cared predicting results here on the weekly, but look Cimber gawk so is voting for its general election today and prime ministers of yet Patel. I think you'll be out in a way. I mean, he, he's being. Voted in inch, doesn't teen in a coalition of parties. Interesting thing was of your. I mean, he's gay and his partner has been, you know, going when they have a meeting of the first lady's. It's very nice as of yet because some some not all leaders have their partners going international scene behavior did that which I think was quite nice of him, but but I think he's leaving power and the main parting looks that dominated in the last forty years with exception of this last government is going back to power is the party of young Yonker as well. So let's see what's going to happen and other aspect of the looks number election. There's been a law voted last year which make it easier for you to become a looks in Brugge national and even the resident. If you want apply for residency there, you don't need to live there for seven years, but only five. So there's a lot of new voters only election, fourteen thousand new voters and only last year more than nine thousand people got the nationalities. Well. So wonder if this we influence the result is, are we going anywhere else on news channel? We're going to Canada, Wednesday. We've been talking about the story for so long, but finally, marijuana will become legal in Canada. So from that day on, you can go and buy it in local shops and is interesting because not again, from my perspective, I think only Uruguay have the same as advanced laws when it comes to marijuana as Canada in a way, and I've been reading the lesson American press they, they didn't have major problems. Let's remember the Uruguay, very small country fella peaceful would not huge issues in a way because I believe even in Holland they went to restrict more does being a few changes in the laws here in there, but Canada, effing be quite important and effing people will look at example, what's happening to Canada before changing the laws in their own countries. And it was also very instructive. This huge changes in terms of the economy industry business. This is a huge sort of a huge growth. Forgive the pun and businesses that are attached or -ffiliated in some way to this broader legalization process. It could be a really important moment and it advances the idea that not just from the taxation Baz driver of innovation. I can't Papp's ironically, if you consider the substance, we're talking about that. It's another big sort of argument in favor of a program of legalisation rather than restriction push echo as ever. Thank you very much for next week's news. Kathleen book is professor of modern and contemporary history at University College London, and if Amila voice here on monocle twenty four of course, how'd you book the lion and the eagle looks at how the UK and US appetite for empire-building. The last hundred and fifty odd years has shaped world most disastrously. It should be pointed out and she joins us now to tell us more, Kathleen welcome back to studio one hair Midori house with a slightly different hat on your more rightly hat as the the mind behind your new. Fairly sort of epic sweeping history. You're saying it's bit of the origin story. 'cause I mentioned some of our lessons of possibly familiar with some of your previous works, which have looked again with Anglo American American relations. Tell us the origin story of this latest edition. Well, the the last large book I did on Anglo American relations as published dear about two thousand and seven and got extremely good reviews, and there was quite a nice one in detail s by chat from Harvard, and he was nice. And then he said, one thing he didn't really take account of was the to 'em Pires and I had two reactions first of all, how long book did he want to read. Certainly I was sick of Anglo American relations. And then as you probably know, Tom, I went off and wrote a book on wind, but then near the idea of the empire's nibbling at my brain, you know, and I thought, all right, we'll see what there is and and there it is and hundreds of pages let later everything you might possibly want to know about the two empires. It's not history of empires. It's not even a history of each of those empires. It's the history of how they interacted, especially out on the prefre. If you're out in China, what are they doing together or not doing together? Because of course, in the far east, they cooperated. There were other enemies they could, but in Canada along the border, that's two empires in conflict. A little known fact, Americans invaded Canada a dozen times in the nineteenth century. So it's things like that that that where they were in conflict, they were in conflict and I'm really interested in how they did it and how they didn't actually after eighteen twelve Canadians called her, the Americans call their second or of independence. They didn't actually come to blows very much all the time. I wanted to ask about that whether to to kind of weld spanning empires can never coexist, whether whether this is your your book is necessarily the story of the rise of one as the declines, or is it it's clearly new snap, but is that sort of what happened? Well, there is. I mean, the point is when the Americans got their independence, they carved out there independence from the world's superpower there, Britain after eighteen fifteen was the global superpower. There was no, there was no question of that, but they didn't care about Europe. European could get on and fight each other and so forth. But they went out and built on the controls of the ocean and the fact that an awful lot of Scott as well as English quite like going out and taking over other countries. I mean, how do I say this nicely? Not a lot to do in Scotland if you weren't across there or. Perhaps a an Edinburgh lawyer test a little bit about some of the methodology if you like. Because as he related to ready aspects of this have been documented before, of course, but but particularly leap that you take is quite particular. Presumably you had spent many hours, and I know this acknowledgments in the book about people who helped CI, whether it's going through microfiche and all the rest of it. Some kind of old fashioned scholarly endeavor was involved in this. I'm presuming that's, I don't know. Is it still as a peeling has ever it was for you? I'm not Jewish. They were few shortcuts. I like getting my hands dirty. I am the helper you're alluding to is one of my many, many sisters who Lieutenant Colonel in the air force and in her spare time would occasionally would find things on the net form because she's much better than I am. And a day or two actually went in fact to the national archives and read microfilm. But I did that for days weeks months and in the nineteenth century. And earlier, of course things aren't printed. You know, you can't photocopy, you have to read things that's written in handwriting. So I think I may say as bad as mine you go, you follow, you follow an ideal you after you've done as many times as I have you get a sense, you get a a sense of what is interesting to follow up. What is likely to be productive and occasionally you just find. File. So interesting. You keep keep reading. Keep reading it because it's a human story and you want to know what's going to happen at the end of it. But you have to be pretty focused. You can't have long lunch hours. You have to get their one opens, not wandering at twelve. You see what I mean? It's it's a, it's a very disciplined sort of thing. But you know. There's nothing else I would rather do. Endless preps may wine merchant. To another another book about about wine. Is a possibility you start with trying to come to a definition than pie is Kathleen, and I wondered how the British in American empires of the American is one. Differ. I wonder whether simply the master of in the British people being ruled literally buy buy, Mona. Whereas in American, it's an America's never defined it self employed as well. There's a lot of conflict on that. In fact, the review has been. Scathing about my referring to the point is to Americans. It's an empire. I mean, the point is, is that. An empire can develop in different ways. It can be conquest. You could marry Austro-Hungarian empire grew because of the great dynastic marriages. But the Americans, they see that their extension across the country was really just, you know, Americans extending and so forth and so on. But if you have treaties with Indians and then you go and you shove them out, you wipe them out. If you have in an eighteen forty eight, a Mexican American war and you get California, Arizona New Mexico and so forth. That is conquering an empires far as I'm concerned. I mean, if Russia's an empire and they went across to the east, you know, conquering nomad tribe after nomad, tribe. If that's an empire, the Americans are empire and only at the end of the nineteenth century, did they then go abroad and develop an empire? That's the Philippines start with, of course. So there's a sense that it being the same landmass makes it easy to confuse the vanquishing of other people's with simply stretching your home's a bit. The American empire is. It's a settler empire just like Canada, Australia, New Zealand. You had white settlers. They're getting rid of native, whether they're Maris aborigines or first nation, but it was it was it was people who felt that they had a right to develop because they had law. They organized farming's. They weren't, they wouldn't waste the land. And so the United States extended an empire, they are shining city upon the hill. It's land of the free home of the brave. Well, yes and no. And just seems to me that that just because an adhesion to truth is not necessarily comfortable. American. The American sense of it is different because Americans America's still living in present Britain's living in his post as an empire. So you fail that what you're doing is right because you're living your now. Whereas Britain is living its postal the time. Yes. I mean, the point is that Great Britain was the empire certainly till the end of the nineteenth century and still continuing into the twentieth and the Americans weren't really a world power till after the first World War all this stuff about the rise to world power from eighteen seventy on is just wrong. I think that's looking backward. That's not how looked like then the point is now, of course, the Americans are now in conflict with another growing global empire. And of course it's not the United Kingdom, but it's China. So the Americans are already an empire. China is now rising. Are we going to see two centuries after the first one, an interesting sort of clash because Britain was the major financial power. During that time, the pound was as good as gold financial system you know was was didn't precisely rule the world all. Sorts of things. The Americans have now, you know, and and no empire thinks it's going to end. The Americans don't think it's going to end. Well, guess what. Can I ask you about that point? Because it's interesting if you look at the the the, the current incumbent in the White House, for example, a man who as far as are wild guesses probably only have read books about himself. When imagines would he be amongst those many frontline politicians? He seemed to display a worrying lack of understanding of the nuance of history or just knowledge of it who'd be well served in reading like this, particularly if it might then inform the decision making this, you know, the relationship with China or how to do diplomacy that has an enduring benefit for the people whom you represent, maybe a little too much to hope. But there is a trend isn't seems to be a trend of a lack of historical perspective from any of the frontline politicians, which alarming it's not just the frontline politicians. The problem with the American State Department, is that well, not that not the, the drowns at the bottom would be such as me, for example, but all those who are political appointees, there's no institutional history. So when you have Nixon and Kissinger thinking, what really is difficulty in the Middle East is communism and the extension by the Soviet Union that is just so terminally stupid. It's hard to believe that Kissinger really believe this, and that does worry me. I must say. Interestingly, when my last one old real new world was published because said, Burke does war well and so forth. One of the reviewers in the time said that this book should be on on the desk of of of in ten Downing Street on the foreign office. But it does show how America spent century and a half trying to destroy the British empire. And then when it was destroyed, mighty all of a sudden they wished it were there. So it book ends with the droll of the British from east of Suez Singapore and Aidan and so forth, and the Americans incandescent with rage because they're, they are stuck out. Vietnam all by themselves. They no longer have British territory. One of the. Nineteen fifty seven. The head of first head of the CIA covert operations told the British Foreign office official who happened to become Philby and fact that whenever we wanted to stabilize the country Britain has an island nearby. Well, they lost access to all these islands except Yorio. Yeah, go Garcia. So yes, the Americans didn't like the British empire until it wasn't there anymore. Thank you very much. Show talking through the lion and the ego. Congratulations on the on as well. Thank you very much, many. Thanks. Thank you lane and Kathleen bugs that new book the lion and the eagle, the interactions of the British and American empires. Seventeen eighty three to nineteen seventy-two is out. Now you're listening to the more quickly. I think is music time. Now steel yourself for this one, something of a departure, but will make sense. We're going to be hearing from the film director panels cosmetic about his new film Mandy, just a moment. The soundtrack of which is informed by the directors, lifelong love of metal, rob. So here's a classic of the. We're going to break this without black. Sabbath never say die. Never say die that by the mighty black Sabbath and stay with us for music and film informed by the dog swith panel. 'cause Mattis in just a minute. Mandy is the new horror film by the Italian Canadian director panels coz Mattos, nNcholas cage styles, read a chain, so welding lumberjack hell bent on revenge alongside girlfriend. Mandy played by Andrea riseborough against the cult leader in nineteen eighties California. The film's being praised for its wild visuals, and over the top tone plus soundtrack that plumbs the menacing debt found in experimental metal and join me created by recently deceased composer Johann Johannsson earlier Morcos Augusta match Laurie caught up with panels to discuss the film, but first a clip. What to do. So much. Crazy evil. Think you're so in love. I'll show you love. Cloud. Strange. I did eventually right more complex backstories for the actors just they can have them if they wanted them. But as presented in the film, I, you know, I wanted to keep it a little bit vague, mythical so that the audience can kind of project themselves in their own experiences onto it, and maybe even see themselves and the characters hopefully. So I tried to draw them in very Brasco, stroke strokes that would just kind of illustrate them pretty rapidly and and hopefully allow the to connect with them. A large sort of parts of it is this kind of really unique. As I say, the visual language which draws upon fantasy and metal, the logo for the film is in this kind of death metal writing. What role did battle have the growing up? Was that something that you kind of always looked into? Yeah. I mean, the first music ever heard, Abba, and I loved it. I was actually living here in London. Many years later we lived in Mexico. I bought a kiss cassette the first tape, very. Like asked to buy a kiss cassette while we were listening to with my mom, the power went out and actually terrified me. And so for a few years after that, I never listened to model again because I thought it was demonic or something just as a child terrified me, and then a few more years passed, and there was a guy in elementary school a year older than me, and I just thought he was the coolest guy and follow them around. Headphones on and ended up loaning me the motley Crue shout at the devil tape, and that was the beginning for me of just being kind of obsessed with metal throughout my entire. It's really funny that like the idea that music can be frightening. I remember really vividly terrified by Munsan, even wanting to listen to this guys freaky, what am I going to have the time? Kissing this incredibly medicine kind of God like figures or something, you know, but then you kind of go from that which is soon as one starts to pay attention to black metal. You know, this amazing film until the light takes us documentary in the narrative of that is one of really genuine menace as opposed to this kind of kind of Alaska of kitsch of kit. Yeah, it's very interesting how Mattielo sort of volved over the years. But I think one of the things that appeal to me was that there was a sort of fantastical element hit, and I always found a kind of scape in it that I could that really kind of Matt a lot to right up. I I became aware of Mandy because Stephen Molly from son tweeted a link to the trailer saying that I played on the soundtrack for this. I wouldn't see the press viewing on one of the things that struck me was how loud it was. It was amazing. This kind of really intense piece by Johansen Saudi passed away recently when you were working with him, can you talk about about how that kind of commission came together for him and what you ascending him to give him a sense of what you wanted? I mean, I never expected that he would work with me, but turned out that he'd actually seen beyond the block Rambo online to possibly be involved in the next thing that I did. So I talked and I realized pretty quickly that he was actually growing up was an Icelandic Michael had. So we had a lot of touchstones common and over the course of sort of iterating and writing the film sort of piecing together visual stuff. I pay usually make like a playlist that at some points will get like hundreds of songs long. And then all of actually, you know what a letdown like ten songs. I just gave him that and. Anything to respond to that and understood the sort of references that that I wanted to sort of explore. Neither of us are interested in doing pastiche both wanted to sort of interpret these things from our personal perspective in from the president's that just trying to replicate the waste of sounded back then. But there was a bunch of different stuff on it. You know, there was lack Sabbath instrumental. A couple of the flash Gordon Queen soundtrack and van Halen, instrumental track called Sunday afternoon apart which we were both kind of fixated on this particular sense sound. So some of it was very fascistic thing where we were sort of talking about different techniques and sent. Sounds like that other times it would just be very vague, strange conversations where you'd say to me like, how do you want this scene to feel? And I'd say, you know, I wanted to feel like you're thirteen again in the backseat of your older brothers transam, and he's smoking weed and can feel the black leather under you can smell the weird vanilla air freshener tree. Pas for second said, I know exactly. Point that's worth the other. I really feel like we kind of start to scratch the surface what we could've done. I really wish that we could do another one. That description just gave me this nostalgia of it. It's not a retro film in so far as very contemporary, but it's in nineteen ninety three and has this kind of sort of encapsulates the death of this hippie ideal. The antagonist has this absolutely ludicrous folk album that he's made. How do you engage with the pasta in that sense without being style jet, there's good and bad about the past, but these films, I really want to reconnect away with the stuff that meant to be a lot as a kid and try to create this intangible thing. They Reginald thought was the idea of magic film these films that I would imagine when I was not allowed to watch horror films and I will go into the store and look at the cover and read the descriptions on the back and imagine of film that doesn't exist based on that. And that became really kind of seductive to me. This idea of film doesn't exist, you know, and also start to think about to interview Kurt Cobain belong time ago where he said that growing up in that. Town. He only had access to metal music, but he had read about punk rock. So you had listened to metal and read about punk rock and imagine what he thought punk rock sound like in that kind of crazy. This third thing that never existed before I was. I was very interesting this idea of of what you imagine something is actually considered proper waiver to be. It's like a freedom of imagination from what they're supposed to be. Drugs are really big part of this film of your last film. Particularly sort of psychotics. I haven't seen anything that takes that psychedelic loose Nitra experience like this since enter the void, which is the film that really kind of goes all out and trying to replicate the visuals. Can you talk about about what it is about hallucinogenics that you find what the of interrogating and is it off the back of kind of similar formative early experiences? Well, yeah. I, you know, in high school I discovered lead and how mushrooms analysis and up a lot of them. Most of it was just there was nothing to, but there was a few experiences that are really kind of formative experiences that made me look at the world a different way, realizing mean realize that you could look at the world very different way. At the same time, I'm highly suspicious to kind of go back to your saying about the sixties of these things being harnessed as sort of spiritual cure all, and by people who feel like they have all the answers, the molly's very, very skeptical of very suspicious of people seem to think that that way they view the world is the privacy of you. The world. I've always had a little bit of an adverse relationship with the whole idea of the sixties, dominating the idea what what spiritually couldn't should be. By the same token, you know, organizing fundamentalist religion. So I kinda want to, I dealt with the more sort of baby boomer new-age aspect of that and black rainbow. But I wanted to tackle both fundamentalist Christian religion and the way that it has also intersected with the heavies and stuff like that in one fell swoop. So, yeah, you know it's yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure if that answers your question. I think it does. I mean, very effectively. It kind of shows like really CD underbelly, the hippie Masai icon. There was a line on that show thirty rock where somebody said, never follow a hippie to second location. And I found that to be very, very true. Experience. I think a lot of people are going to be aware of this film because of net cages performance, you know, he stops. I don't wanna dwell on that too much because while it really is an amazing kind of central theme, it's not the reason to see the film in the costing process is Nick cage how you kind of had the fun to be mind. I had in mind to play the villain grind watching his work. I want to see him play a very outlandish Ville on like this. But when I met with them, I'd been sort of told that he was interested in playing the villain. I when I met him, he said the first thing he said was I wanna play rat Meller and I was taken aback by that disappointed ended up walking away thinking just gonna work out. But months later I had a very vivid dream where I was watching the movie Maddie completed and he was playing RAD Meller and were just something undeniably compelling about it. And after I was able to get over my fixation with playing the villain via that dream, I saw there was a lot of potential there to make this red military, something very dynamic feel. That you've kind of already onto this in a sense given that you sort of what with insulation of your processes about this imagined reality catalyzed by certain prompts, but I'm interested in how as a no March two different cultural reference points that have been important to you. You kind of tie up these ends into a coherent narrative, like what's process. How do you build a story out of that? I don't honestly know. You know, I think it's because I have a core story to begin with, which is something very, very simple for both these films wanted to have the storyline itself, be very clean and simple, not convoluted or depending on twists or things like that. So to me, I feel like he could make very interesting compelling movie about a guy walking three blocks to the store or something if you really wanted to. So for me, story is something that has just a sort of Yokel around which to build these things kind of sculptural life. Finally, on this. This film exists in kind of interesting space where it's similar Tena sleep like a really great action Hora on. It's a very thoughtful house film for once about it. What you know, this is something that I, I thought about in David Cronenberg's films which occupy a similar space video Drome neither ahora nor is it. It's not a blockbuster, but it kind of has the visual language of one. Is this area is this way you wanna stay, or would you like to kind of make something with the to more of the docs sets of ways in for its four would inches? I feel this might be my version of that. So, yeah, I don't know why have to see, you know, I'm not sure yet things going to get way too. Because my dad discussing Mandy with Augusta match. You Laura do head to your local cinema, check out Yoenis things Motoko weekly. Val Collins is one of the fashion industry's leading makeup artists while he shoots and shows run from Vivienne. Westwood to Kate moss lady Gaga her new book validated. It looks back on her journey in the business. Starting as a self taught creative influenced by punk in the knee romantic St.. Becoming an integral part of catwalk shows across the fashion industry calendar and contributing beauty editor at vogue. Vogue fashion editor, Jamie Wilson Valya to learn a little bit more. I never planned to be a makeup artist. My sister was headdress. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'll just do that till I do. I really want to do which is bizarre because in like nineteen seventy two, I want to be. I wanted to work with computers and in all the magazines of these various sort of. Would sort of say computer programmers wanted, oh yes, the future United science to mazing. I want to do that, but I what in the meantime, I've just won't school. I'm basically I just ran out of school and thought shit at a job. And so I just though on a very behead dresses, so I just went, you know, got myself in apprenticeship, and then that suits of took me to a straight guy was a drummer in a band. He no famous band Bristow band, and you know, we got married and he said, oh, let's go somewhere else. I thought it was going to say that it's gonna power. So let's go to New York. And he said, let's go to a stray. Leah. My was so kind of like wanting to be really cool. It nineteen seventeen six and I said, yeah. Okay. Yeah, great. Yeah, let's go to a strata. So I remember coming to London to the Australian High Commission, and I said, so you're a headdress. Where would you like to wait? Where are you planning on being. In strata. And I said, well, won't be somewhere ready halt. And I said, well, perseus quit home and I'm like, okay, yeah, let's go to pass. And so that's how I find myself in Perth, West Australia, but interestingly enough, and I was a headdress of that, but but purse was very cool scene in the eighties. You know, there was lots of great bands that it was very. Yeah, it was. I think probably because it was so far away, it try. It was trying so hard to be trendy and on trendies such an old fashioned word. But anyway, so I grew up there in the ninety. So I, I know it well, but yeah, there's always been kind of cool music scene, very basic scene. I thought the music scene with. Yeah, it was amazing. And so with those days in the eighties with the music scene came, the function scene and in the is we were in the period of new romantics. So you know, boys, girls, girls were boys and everybody was bisexual. And you know everybody wore makeup, not funny. It's funny colors, and it all seemed quite Odin rate to us to let like absolute, you know, works out. And I think that's when I was a hairdresser and I by Ceylon. And I think because I started wearing makeup on myself and loads of it loads of it, you know, and I was very heavily influenced by a makeup artist who was doing, make up for a magazine that was big in London called the blitz magazine l blitz. And his name was Yali back. And I was girl actually, I didn't realize boy, but he used to really creative makeup that was probably quite punk or new romantic, and he used to paint pitches on on the face and like the makeup had shifted, and it was all very experimental and I was on, well, that's what's happening in London. So I'm going to be like that here in Perth, so anyway, but you're. So trying self trains, then I moved to sit day and I opened asylum, and everybody used to come to my son on like the photographers would come. The function directors, the multiple SEO came to my salon to have the hair down and that time you know, I was working with lights kind this old. I am an inex- s and I think that was my Rica moment when I used to cut in excess his hair. And because I was asylum headdress suit of part time, makeup artist, I wasn't considered cool in the session world because I came from Donald and anyway. So it accents were making a video and music clip, and I cut all the boys have anyway. They had like a makeup artist strike groomer doing them for this video, and then the stylus rings. We have at ten o'clock at night on Sunday night. And so it says, we need you to come to the studio now because. Michael doesn't want anybody else touching his face apart from you, and I could hear Michael Hudson's in the background, get me garland, get me garland. Now another goat of media made it, you know? So I guess, through through kind of, yes. So that was kind of a Eureka moment. And then I started sort of doing what we call tests with various photographers models for the agencies for the models, portfolios and stuff. I'm still doing hair and people kept saying, oh, you should do. You should do the Mike up, and I was like, why don't know about that fashion world? You know, they're all bit Trixie and everything, so fabulous and everyone's nasty. I thought now I don't wanna get into session work, but my friends that were photographers kept saying, no, no, you should do it. You should do it. And then one day the make didn't turn up on this sheet. And the Toepfer said, right vow, you've got to do the makeup. And of course in my bag, this was the so most of my makeup was white, red black. Lots of primary colors. So I did the make up for the Moto. And of course I just did the make the I knew. So I made to look like me, say she out these great big black sort of like coal like is sort of a one key red lip and you know, by and by, you know, people would stop booking me for makeup. So it just kind of like gradually happened then when I came to London, I still didn't know whether I was going to be doing Harrow makeup, but at that time in the early nineties. If you could do both and I believe you can't do by and you can do very well, but you weren't cool or you weren't considered a tree professional unless you specialized, but is changed now. Hopefully by thirty is later I may have. Got it, right. I'm not quite sure yet. I wanted to talk about some of the kind of shifts in in different types of makeup that popular. I'm in. You've already reference like the eighties when some of the really bold makeup in the nearby Mounties. And then it became really sort of fresh-faced in the nineties. And then we've had in the, you know, the whole maximalist movement in fashion more racing. There's been some Boda makeup as well, but how did they shifts or trends in in makeup come about? And I'm wondering how they do. They follow trends in fashion, how what's the kind of relationship between Russian and make all? Well, I think if I look at the eight is and the time before the seventies sixties fifties, I think. Most of our influences come from us, it fashion. It was led by music. I think fashion, a still led to a certain degree by the celebrities within music. But I think now fashion beauty is much more driven by social media. One number one, you've got to be a celebrity, and if you were celebrity than you can sell anything so, or you can make anybody wear anything. I mean, who would have thought that one day crooks would have been fashionable, but yet they were and devastating, I think specially through, yes, social media, there has been much more of a maximalize ING of makeup as well as fashion. You know, as consume as we are more is more is more is more on. I think that. There are many types of makeup artist on there are so many people who who like myself are self tools of told themselves in their bedrooms to do makeup and then learn, behold there on YouTube, and suddenly they've got four million followers and they are makeup artist or they have an artist of their I'm face. But I think to be truly a true makeup off a true professional, Mike potest you need to know high to do makeup on other people. It's quite different. Do make yourself in a mirror than as doing Mike up on another person because fundamentally think about the situation you're going to meet. It could be anybody. It could be, you know, the lady from the grocery store down the road, it could be a Kardashian. It could be a high profile celebrity, but somehow or another. You are mating. Being a stranger. For the first time I knew gonna go right up to that face, get in the face and touch them. You know, that's quite scary for them. And it's also bit scary for you, so you better know what you're doing. And I think for me, people say to me, not hide, you choose make apologies to be new team. I always say a first and foremost, I have to know, can they do skin if they can do skin, then you know we can come to the rest of it. I can teach them the rest of it. 'cause the rest of as just sort of like it's technical and it's paint skin when count I do not dramatic up, you know, as east can you do not make up Kanye make any woman feel more confident, look more beautiful, feel more empowered through makeup. I'm wondering if the, if they're kind of any standout Luke's figure I'm in, it's be questioned, but you if particularly. Luke. So shoots that you've worked on when you that kind of moist that really kind of stick out over the course of your career. There's many, you know, I mean, one that comes to mind is I remember working with Nicola Houma Chetty Sam McKnight, and we were doing lady Gaga and we'd already started working with and Nicola said, we shoot coming out with Nick Knight and we want to do something different with that. You know, we don't seem before on this moment in time Gaga had quite a strong Bronco. She was wearing lots of fake lashes, and she had quite a sort of shut a strong beauty look and colour associate. So what do you wanna do? What can we do this different? And so I thought about it. We were Milan at the time. We only had an hour with Gago, cyanide between shows. Gago was jetting off on a private jet some roof. And I said, well, I knew, I think, let's get rid of Ribe rise. Let's like Bleacher eyebrows than its takeoff, the false eyelashes. Let's give a strong. Punky punchy eyeliner make it very, very graphic name, escora and then maybe we might do some perspex on. They kind of, like I said, yeah, let's do percents. What's perspex I still, let's through special effects change the shape of her face. Why don't we sort of give kind of like pointed cheekbones and I literally got these two bits of paper made them into paper airplanes and just stuck them on his skin hair. And I said, what kind of look something like this and the Chola took a picture nuts. All I, that's the last I heard of it anyway. Three months later where I turn up for work with Nick Knight at pot role studios and kin, and there's a prest specialist there. And he said, oh, I've made you of prosthetics for you may Scotland. You know the ones that you designed ago ago. I mean, the little piper replace I stuck Jake. In paper. So you know, that's how I came about. So you know, I didn't actually apply the prostatic. We have the proper person today it and it was amazing. But I kind of like made a road for my own back because it meant for that whole kind of like year of the album. Every time you know, I with a, we'd have to have like an hour of statics before I did the makeup, but but it was great. I mean, it's an interesting process like, how does that sort of collaborative process work? I mean, I'm very different depending on who the different people out, but it kind of general dynamic between yourself. You know, design a photographer like how does the tame what someone give you type breif? Is there a lot of interaction between you and the other kind of members of creative team? I guess I'll taste make apologies. Make apologies. It's all about teamwork, but you know, it can either be, you know, a talk a month before with lots of preparation between you the designer, the stylist, the fashion director, maybe the head dresser or else it's night before. I mean, like sometimes if I'm doing say, say it's Vivienne Westwood show, you know, I will mate with her and Andrea's on some marine the night before the show. We'll talk through what the looks to be. And then I'm probably doing seven o'clock the next day, you know, showing my team, what we're going to do and just getting on with it. And you know, sometimes you can be completely prepared and sometimes you've gotta make up as you go along. There was one time that I worked with Vivian, and I've worked with Vivienne Westwood for many, many years. And usually I will go to the studio and I'm always expecting the unexpected. 'cause I never quite know what's going to be going on anyway. This particular day I won't in. I went up to Vienna. I said, okay, so high. Vivian Siwa. What's our muse this season. I, you know, like, what are we doing? Who's our women? And she just looked at me. And she said. Horses. And I said, yeah, yet. Okay. And she'd she'd gone. She it walked away. So she only said one word hoses. So then I went back to my team and psalms there. And I said, Siam what she say to you and he had this host of spiel about, you know what? I was going to be lie. They travelers. It was like a festival. I said, what you just said, hostess, I what she means. And so then I got the lovely, Joey. I said, right, let's get that's conquer goal. Let's look at hoses. Let's make story. We gotta make a story of this. So we started looking at the pilots of the animal and I said, okay, this is going to be our story. We're going to be working in black and white, and we're just going to do like the markings that you'll see on separa- a host is and that's what we did for the show. But you know, sometimes. Happy with a. She's talking with later on. I think it's like two or three days later. She said to be to foul, she said, I have to say the hostess show is one of my favorite make-up's you've ever done and all. I love it. She just sort of announced. And then that was it like. Vow calling this speaking to Jamie waters vows book validated. The make up a vow. Gaulan is out now and you a with the Monka weekly. And it four hundred eighty four editions of the Monica weekly under the month, weekly belt. Third enjoyed today show sitting in a studio skin weeks. So thank you guess, and thank app house behind the today shows produced by Thome Holand Estudios manages Cassie gap and George mcdonagh back same time. Same place next week time being for me, rub it bounds wits. Thanks cheating.

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 The President does it again

All In with Chris Hayes

48:19 min | 1 year ago

The President does it again

"Tonight on all in well I would think that if they were honest about it that sort of major investigation into the vice president doesn't aghast yeah so very simple answer they should investigate the by this and again likewise China just started investigation into the by and again I would recommend that they start an investigation into the vice president commits impeachable offenses on camera yet again damning new evidence emerges of the trump plan to shakedown Ukraine feels he can do anything with it tonight what we learned from Donald Trump's for envoy to Ukraine new reporting that Rudy Giuliani got trump to remove the Ukrainian ambassador you questions about what was deleted in the White House call summer. This is an exact word word for word transcript of the conversation right and why Kellyanne Conway's husband is making the best case yet. DONALD TRUMP is not fit for often at the right to do do whatever I want as president all in starts right now good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes hold on. There's been quite a day right now. You're in the midst as you might know of an impeachment inquiry into the president for attempting to use the full force of American foreign policy to get a foreign foreign country to meddle in our election by manufacturing dirt on his political opponents. That's the high crime the Constitution's words that he is accused of that and he's admitted to tonight we have new reporting about the scope of that pressure campaign because it wasn't just one phone call the New York Times reporting that two of president trump's his top envoys to Ukraine drafted a statement for the country's new president in August that would have publicly committed Ukraine to pursuing investigation instigation sought by Mr trump into his political rivals. What are those two men. The former special envoy to Ukraine Volcker testified on Capitol Hill today he also turnover some incriminating text messages to that committee Raymond. Show you those in a moment but this all comes on a day when the president repeated his crime publicly he went before the cameras and in full view all of us he once again attempted to use the force of American foreign policy to get foreign countries to meddle in our election by manufacturing in dirt on his political opponents well. I would think that if they were honest about it that sort of major investigation into the vice so very simple answer they should investigate the gate okay there is I mean we knew it but now he's saying it again. Reminder that presence Linski he's the new president of Ukraine the country that the president president personally withheld nearly four hundred million dollars in aid to while he press Alinsky to conduct that Bogus Biden investigation just just to be absolutely clear about what's happening here because there's a lot of forces trying to confuse you. Trump is caught. The people here have all been caught in this corrupt abuse of power. They've tried to throw a bunch of dirt in all rise but it isn't working so now they're doing the only thing that is left to them. which is to say we did it for still doing? Oy So what trump isn't just admitting to what is to my mind unquestionably impeachable offense. He's not just doubling down. He's actually escalating today out of nowhere. He said he also wants China to investigate the bites and by the way likewise started it just about as bad as what happened with okay now. China is in the midst of a US trade war and affect Chinese delegations coming to the US next week or trade talks. It is a trade war which the Chinese would very much like to end because it's it's hurting their economy just like it's hurting our economy and in the context of talking about that trade war that China wants over the president tells China to investigate the Biden's you might as well said I would like to do us a favor though by the way China's not a place with a very strong rule of law. It's an authoritarian state that routinely imprisons and even kills. Dell's dissidents a place where the Communist Party abuses investigations all the time to go after American businessmen. That's who he's telling to go. After the violence. Remember the component parts of this president ordered the Yuqing suspended. Even though it had passed bipartisan majorities both houses of Congress he sent a message says Leninsky by telling my pen's not not to attend the new president's inauguration and then ratchet up the pressure personally on a phone calls Linski. Today we learned the chief US diplomat Ukraine understood exactly what was happening that it was all as bad as corrupt and has agreed. S.'s looked enclosed testimony capitol. Hill the former special envoy Ukraine Kurt Volker her reportedly provided text messages including one from the top diplomat who wrote corn ABC News. I think it's crazy to withhold security assistant for help with the political campaign campaign now in response trump political appointee by the name of Gordon Sunland. You'll be hearing more about him so get familiar sunlen donated over a million dollars to trump's ops inaugural committee and now he's got this position. He responded like a White House spokesperson. Insisting the president has been crystal clear no quid pro quo of anytime he then added. I suggest we stopped the back and forth by text a good one dude now the New York Times reports. That song made those statements statements. There's no quid pro quo after he talked to the president. He got them straight from the source. Someone is one of the people who drafted that statement. They would've committed Ukraine. Publicly on paper signed documents you pursuing investigations. He also assisted Rudy Giuliani in his ceaseless meddling in Ukraine according to Giuliani itself. It's just the latest revelation about the scope of the insane rogue foreign policy being run by the president's personal attorney erode erode foreign policy that has nothing to do with US interests or the national interest for the public interest or what's good for the people of Ukraine or go to the people the United States again the president endorsed. It is called with a foreign head of state. We now know that Giuliani said a packet full of lives the State Department is US ambassador that according to The Washington Post he even consulted on Ukraine with none other than imprisoned felon and former trump campaign manager Paul manafort by a lawyer in amounts to a complete nutjob conspiracy operation to smear political opponents. That's being run by the presence lawyer and by the president out of the White House and turned into American and foreign policy here with the phone. Michael Schmidt won the New York Times reporters who broke the story about the presence on boys drafting an investigation commitment for the president of Ukraine Michael. What can you tell us about the context in which this document arises will these two diplomat or trying to assuage trump been truly on. They believe that Giuliani is poisoning trump's mind about Ukraine and Guiliani is getting in the way of what they believe believe would be good. US Ukrainian relations and that sort of pacified them pacified Giuliani if they can get the new Ukrainian president it into commit to these investigations then maybe Giuliani will go away and maybe they can sort of go back and allow Ukrainians to come and visit trump in the oval office us and continue to build these ties and that is in the context in which they are discussing put giving the statement to the Ukrainians. I know the Ukrainians ultimately did not put up the statement they did not want to get any more deeply involved in American politics. They saw the problems with that and obviously you know oh so that has come true but they wanted to statement to say that the Ukrainians would investigate the company that was linked to one hundred and the origins of the two thousand sixteen election the same things that had come up in the July called it. The president had with the Ukrainian president so just for the time on this is in August August which means at that point the aid has been withheld withheld starting around July seventeenth so the aid hangs over the background of this right. I mean presumably league I guess do we know that there's an understanding by any of the parties here that there's a connection between this aid that was supposed to show up that hasn't as of yet and signing the the statement. We don't know about a connection between the two we do know that Giuliani knew about this statement. We do know that the aid was in question. We do know that the US these diplomats wanted Ukrainians to agree to this because many times before in private they had said they would do it but hadn't hadn't followed through on it well what happened in the July call it was a private call Ukrainians. Basically it's sort of committed to doing this. They certainly entertain the idea and the US is coming back here a month later and basically saying hey guys we. I want you to say this on the record and that would walk into this so you've got Giuliani at this point is taken multiple meetings with Ukrainian officials he is publicly on twitter and Don Jr. as well and berating the UN ambassador sort of put pressure on them and you're telling me there was a lot of yeah yeah we'll look into it like kiss her back including Alinsky on the call president trump which we read the notes which lends sure we'll look into it. This was like we don't believe you. We need to get you on the record. Yeah it's a way of sort of lucky and because public statement they could hold Ukrainian accountable for it. They could say hey look. You committed to doing this. You said you would fall through through here. Are Your own words now. Those words would have been coming from the United States but Ukrainians would have put them out and as we pointed out the Ukraine's it's all the pitfalls with this this other problems with it and didn't do it Michael Smith. This is great reporting. Thank you so much for hopping on the phone sharing those details. Thanks for having me. I'm joined now by the former head of the office of Legal Counsel Walter Dellinger who also served as acting solicitor general. Let's take a step back and there's a lot of facts coming out. All all them point the same direction. which is that the effort by the president to have Ukraine be coerced extorted into doing a hit job and his political political rival was a big enterprise? It wasn't just this one phone call but the president's comments today on camera from a constitutional and rule of law perspective active. What is your reaction to them in which he has publicly doing the thing he did privately bringing a new party into it the Chinese Communist Party well they it is it is profoundly wrong and three respects. I know president should get involved in any individual criminal matter secondly as you noted no American president should ever want to subject any American office holder or not to the tyranny of the Chinese criminal justice and third and most importantly it violates a precept that is so fundamental we don't even notice it. Chris and that is that the American president it should be chosen by the American people. What do you mean by that. What I mean by that is that is that if there was anything that the framers of the Constitution institution feared most it was foreign inter meddling in our elections they feared that we would be the plaything of European politics that there would be a French party and a British party and that they would and that they they went through the emoluments clause and many other parts of the constitution to try to ensure sure that American elections were independent. No American wants to have Russians or Ukrainians or the Chinese. He's playing a role in influencing the outcome of an American presidential election so when a president attempts to violate that precept he is is or should be disqualified from even running for reelection because he has shown that he is he is unwilling to play by the the understood rules of the game that we've had seventeen ninety. There's there's a story today that quotes the White House newsletter sixteen hundred Delhi Ellie and I don't know whether this is a misstatement by said newsletter or not a misstatement and I think a lot depends on whether it is. I'm GonNa read it to you. It now says the president the president has asked Ukraine to fully cooperate with any Justice Department investigations into the actions of former Vice President Joe Biden and his family in Ukraine Justice Justice Department investigations. It seems to me that we are already across the Rubicon and incredibly dangerous democratic territory but to the extent that the Justice Department has actually really began an investigation at the president's words against his political rival that strikes me as even worse it is it is in the negative pregnant is you should not thought should not cooperate with any congressional investigation so I fear that we've lost the leadership of the Department of Justice to the rule of law but essentially we got to make clear how simple this story is. The president is asking for foreign governments to try to decide who the next president of the United States is and to play a role in making that decision that is that there is nothing more fundamentally mentally wrong the net and the Democratic Republic on a scale of one to ten. I mean there's sort of been a low level or high level rule of law crisis since the president didn't was inaugurated in many ways he clearly doesn't just is fundamentally lawless. He just doesn't care about the law. He doesn't care about the rule of law. Certainly he really admires dictators and authoritarian strongmen. Where are we right now on the sort of scale of one to ten ten being something that would be what characterizes a constitutional crisis one one being a dispute about interpretation of the Constitution well. I think we're at nine when the president of showed himself to be lawless you know the the state but I always I thought there was a lot to be said for waiting until the twenty twenty election and voting from out of office but he has shown himself willing to make sure that the twenty twenty election is corrupted and influenced by in a by foreigners I it's hard to get higher on the scale than the president putting the life of a whistle blower who followed the the the the whistle protection procedures putting that person's life and wellbeing at risk and sending out a message just to all others who might come forward and talk about the misdeeds of this administration they too are going to be put at risk labelled as traitors and spies and then we're going to talk about what we used to train spies all right Walter dellinger. Thank you for being within sharing your expertise thanks Chris from warranties and developments. I WANNA bring an MSNBC political analyst Michelle Goldberg Commish Near Times and Boston University law Professor Rebecca ingrams who served in the office of the legal adviser at the State Department. There's a lot going on state state today. I I just want to so there's a lot here. Let's start with what so there's two things happening. The crime has been committed in public right right and now being double down on but what we're learning behind the scenes is the scope of the effort and I want to talk about this Michael Schmidt Story. This is like a scene from Glengarry Glen Ross. Where like you have the person on the phone and then you get the office and it's like signs tyneside? This is hard close and it's being done by. US diplomats right and obviously the US ambassador understood exactly will to US ambassador understood exactly what was going on right there was the first US ambassador who was removed apparently on the word word of Rudy Giuliani because she would not cooperate with this shows an obstacle to the shakedown ray president was exerting and Giuliani on Ukraine to you do a political hit job on Joe Biden. She's replaced the new Bass eter texts and basically expressing the same sort of outraged incredulity that we are the expressing right now. Basically I mean I don't have the exact words but saying it's crazy to withhold foreign aid four. US political reasons right and and there is so there's no dispute about what happened here at the debate now or it's not even a debate. This sort of epistemological warfare they're going on right now is that you're going to have trump. Apparently Mike Pence you know all the Republicans basically say there's nothing wrong with this right yes so what as someone who you were in the legal department of the State of State Department right and you also write about sort of the civil service and government bureaucracy see you have sort of a scholar on this in a practitioner and he's do what what is your reaction to watching what appears to have happened to the state. Department's instruments tournaments of coercion foreign policy being sublimated at the president's political will yeah. There's a lot going on there so so I mean the story of the State Department until this point has been one of systematic gutting of the career civil service right and the concern that people raised with that is that the career civil service is there to a aid to know what's normal to actually take to actually be able to promote US values abroad and to continue continue the institutional memory of the State Department and those norms that we've been talking about and their importance and now we see that there's a whole range of State Department actors in the works. It's here right now right and we're so we see the secretary state. Pompeo is on the phone. Call we see the I G separately racing to Congress to deliver this package and we don't yet know entirely what the meaning of it is that apparently L. Warriors had given him right and so I think what you're seeing is that this is deeply problematic on two levels. The first is that at the involvement of high level actress the State Department intertwined with the president's personal lawyer means that the president is using all the power of the state of government. The government in the world is using the power of the state for his own personal political purposes right so that's the first level and the second level is all of the other stuff that the State Department is supposed to be doing including these political appointees trump's political appointees. They're not doing around policy running ARATU effing operation they are he's turning the State Department into creep the committee reelected president the plumbers he has taken the the State Department and turned it into the plumbers the off the corporation of Nixon is now being run through the American State Department with the American or foreign officials who have behind them the backing of the American Erkin state and all its power sticks. Moment hasn't been entirely gutted. Wrightson as an entire building of people who spurs on the menu bucket probably push back on this quite a bit. We'll see it in the Maria that you've got Buddha because she and then how much do you know she got booted because she was doing she was doing her job and she was acting within the content confines of the law right and so we don't actually see enormous we've people think about deep state. HASHTAG capital resistance. That's coming out of the State Department. What we see is people being pushed out for doing their jobs and following the normal order of things and the law today China. I want to just go to this quickly so so he he does it. In front of US China. We know the trade talks are coming. We know the trade were hangs over this. So we know two things one is that the during a phone call in the eighteenth trump has sorry raised Biden's political prospects as well as those sit on but Elizabeth Senator Elizabeth Warren who by then inserted rising the polls and that the call is stored on the same secret server so who knows is what's in that call but here's the reaction one trump ally outside the White House today describing receiving a message from the Chinese government officials asking if trump was serious when he suggested China Open investigation negation into Biden the response investigating corruption is an easy way to earn goodwill with trump. They're doing it right now in the moment in public well and there's two parts of that right because one one of the slippery ways that trump defenders get around defending the actual substance of what he says is either. It's just trump being trump which is not a defense because just think criminals committing more crimes but they'll say it's either trump being trump we take him. We'd take him seriously but not literally. There's no. There's no proof that there was any follow through through people. Don't listen to him and here seeing in two different instances people do listen to him and in the course of foreign policy is in fact change at the the best defense the president always is he's mentally incompetent. Weirdo that no one pays attention to but in this case that doesn't work that doesn't work because after that phone call was Alinsky two US officials show up with paper for you to sign selling your soul and committing yourself to the hit job. He wants to do something quickly about what is happening to Ukraine because this is a country that has struggled with corruption that has waged this revolution against his Russian aligned oligarch here we have the foreign policy of the United States is ordering them to become to be more Michelle Goldberg Rebecca invert. Thank you both being with me a lot. More next we learned from one of the men named in the complaint after nine hours hours of testimony today what we learned the reports are damning. We'll talk someone who was in that room in just two minutes to go anywhere. Hey Hey it's Chris Hayes from MSNBC every day. I come to the office and we make television show every day. I think to myself there's so much more I want to talk about and so this is our podcast cast. It's called. Why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see? Lee Out every day. They're driven by big ideas each week. I sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening new episodes of why is this happening every Tuesday. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast today was the first day of formal testimony in the newly inaugurated impeachment inquiry the first since that formal inquiry was announced spy speaker Pelosi and despite his best attempts secretary of State Mike Pompeo could not stop it from happening. White House could not stop it from happening today. Kurt Volcker the former State Department unveil to Ukraine a man who is named in the whistleblower complaint gave testimony to three House committees and by most accounts it was damning for the president and was damning for his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani Johny. I should tell you Kurt Volker testified around nine thirty this morning he literally just left an hour ago testify for nine hours before those committees Congressman Gerry McConnell who was in that position joins US shortly to tell us what he learned the vocals out the only witness who will speak to those committees former. US Ambassador Ukraine Marie Ivanovich who was recalled older from her mission in Ukraine is scheduled to give deposition the committee next week tonight. The Wall Street Journal reports that trump ordered for removed after Giuliani complained she was blocking during the attempted investigation into Joe Biden among other things remember. It was just yesterday that Julian Giuliani admitted to passing along some weird propaganda the packet full of conspiracy theories the State Department some of which were used to smear the former Ukrainian ambassador Ivanovich joining me now is one of the members of Congress was at the deposition. The former Ukrainian special envoy today Democratic Congressman Gerry Connolly Virginia is a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the House Oversight Committee Congressman what you hear day well. I heard some chilling things but what I mostly heard Chris was corroborative evidence ends of the whistle blower complaint and for that matter factual backup for the actual transcript and July twenty phone call between President Trump and presence Alinsky after listening to voker. Do you feel like you have a better sense of the scope scope of this effort which reporting now indicates was not just the president on a phone call and Giuliani running around meeting with people but actually quite deeply involved Volcker Voelker and his colleagues State Department. Yes I think I think this is really a great moment. It seems to me for the United States when and president trump is able to basically corrupt the entire apparatus of our diplomatic corps our foreign policy to bend it to his sorted desire to to get dirt on a political opponent and now we know it's it's not limited to Ukraine it occurred with respect to the president of China and of course we on the sixteen campaign it had occurred in the open eh with the government of Russia. Where does this end is now going to be an accepted norm a president whoever the incumbent those lucky enough to be he gets to use the entire apparatus of government for nasty partisan political purposes to destroy any possibility of a Bible political opponent. That's not how our democracy works. I wonder I don't know how much you can tell us about what you heard today. Obviously it happened in closed session. Can you confirm a the text message that we've read from the chief of mission in which the currency for Mr Mr Taylor I believe in Ukraine who says it's crazy that we are withholding aid for a political purpose I can and I think the chronology there is also very important. The sequence that text was written before the whistle blower complaint so for Republicans to try to argue that this blew apart the narrative and totally he destroyed the case being made that false he made that linkage before anyone knew about a whistleblower complaint making the same length so I want to be clear here because I think this is important. This individual is the chief of mission right now. As far as I understand currently running the embassy in Ukraine because we don't have a formal ambassador is that right. I believe that's correct okay. I think it's Bill Taylor Bill Tiller so he's the one who says in writing a text his understanding from his perch and Kiev as the US chief permission in the US embassy is that what is happening is that we are withholding aid in order to extract a press a promise the Ukrainians will undertake a political hit job for the president. That's correct and I think we ought to call this. What it is at the Republicans. Don't want to call a quid pro. Quo No problem. It's extortion and extortion is not only morally early wrong and an abuse of office it illegal. Do you have a sense of what volkers role was in this after talking hearing in for nine and a half hours about whether he who is a willing party to this he was being dragged along. What's your sense in in the session. I attended this morning but an hour and a half Chris I was this was a forthright professional who had real misgivings about some of the activities going on on like the suspension of military aid. He was totally puzzled by that. He said like the rogue activities of Giuliani was buying crackpot theories reese like the false narrative about why the prosecutor in Ukraine was being nonstop by people like Biden and the e U do it was precisely the opposite of what trump is trying to have you believe because he wouldn't prosecute up but I am really troubled to learn subsequently that he found himself nonetheless trying to shake down the president the new president of Ukraine to sign a document promising he would do this political all dirt work but trump that is deeply troubling to me and seems at variance with the man I I was hearing this morning all right Congressman Gerry Connolly. Thank you very much making times my pleasure Chris still new reporting new doubts about the White House's public account of what happened on that call with Ukrainian President what might be missing yesterday the president referred to the record of his call with Ukrainian presence Alinsky as an exact act quote word for word Kafr Kama transcript. That's what the president set but if there is one thing we know about that is that that is not true. The reason we know that is because because on the bottom of the very first page of the document in question that the White House released it says and I quote caution. A memorandum of a telephone conversation is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. There's that there's also good reason to believe. There is an actual word for word for being transcript based on what the whistle blower wrote in his complaint quote. I learned from multiple. US officials at senior White House officials had intervened to lock down all records the phone call especially the official word for word transcript of the call that was produced as is customary by the White House Situation Room okay so does the word for word transcript it differ from what the White House Released Carolina and some of her colleagues the Washington Post reporting on a bunch of indicators within the document itself suggesting such a thing might exist. Carolina is here with me now. So that's a question we've got this memorandum. These call notes they read transcript esque but but the question is do we know definitively. Is there an actual verbatim word for word transcripts somewhere. We don't know with one hundred percent certainty Chris but I'll tell tell you this much. We've interviewed more than a dozen people who handled these kinds of calls and they say that it works exactly as the whistle blower said a situation room employee. Ed's duty officers using voice to text software system basically creates a digital transcript. That's word but for word that word for word item has to be corrected and cleaned up you know sometimes you use the word atom and it really should be Adam not and so to those that that transcription is sent around to be corrected and modified as necessary for errors and for clarity so that word for word transcript should should exist and it should have been emailed around to a series of people with an interest in the call on the National Security Council the vice president's office the President's President's office the Chief of staff the White House lawyers potentially it it should exist and it is indicated that it does exist by the whistle blower who who said that there was this rush to lock it down so there's two bits of evidence that you have of the possibility that the document we have cuts out or leaves out out some of the things that were in the full conversation. He's talking about the ellipses and I want to sort of pull this up so this is the president in two different places. The president resident is speaking to Linski. He says I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine. They say crowd strike Alexis. I guess you have one year. Wealthy People ellipses us and then later by them went around bragging. He stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it ellipses what is your understanding of what is indicated by yeah those ellipses well. I have no idea what's behind them or what might have been edited out. If anything was edited out I just know from talking to people who handle these calls routinely and have in the past during the trump administration that an ellipse this wasn't the norm that it was more likely to have dashes to indicate there might be a stray phrase or two people won't be talking over each other or the president might even be saying something like Aha Aha but but usually an Lipsius was not the way to do that and there are many other things about this call we can get into it as you wish but many other things that say this was is not handled the way a normal call would be handled in other words. The transcription is centered around as a package. There's no package number on this document also raising questions about about whether it was kind of interrupted essentially along the way and that's again what the whistleblower claims. Is that somewhere along the way. Hey White House lawyers and other officials got very anxious about this transcript and wanted to do something to control people's access to it the final the final sort of a point you make is about the the words per minute so we do know there was an interpreter on this call thinks. Alinsky has confirmed that obviously I think is English. English is not good enough to do this kind of statecraft in English. You know that a fifty three minute call with Mexican President Enrique opinion yet was about one hundred and two words from it and this is about sixty five words per minute. A lot of people are like this short for thirty minute phone call. It does seem short Chris now. I don't I wanna give bend over backwards. Give the benefit of the doubt to the possibility that you know. This was a random an errant extremely long call. Maybe there were big pauses. Maybe the translator worked more slowly in in Ukrainian than others or maybe there were some dialect. We don't know it just is another interesting fact yeah. I think the more interesting facts are that we know normally a word for word transcription is exists and this is not right and that presumably it exists somewhere and presumably that's a thing that one could get one's hands on if you were a congressional gator perhaps Carolina thank you for sharing your reporting rick of course next breaking news tonight about another whistle blower this time from an IRS official this time about the president's tax returns details after this breaking news tonight another whistleblower complaint this time about the president's president's tax returns corn in The Washington Post and irs whistleblower says that he was quote told that at least one treasure apartment political appointee attempted to improperly improperly interfere with the annual audit of the president or vice president's tax returns is the first details we are getting about this whistle blowers complaint months after existence was first revealed in court filings report comes amidst and ongoing legal battle between Congressional Democrats and the Treasury Department about the president's tax returns Democrats are demanding the release in accordance accordance with a law that gives congress access to any return joined by someone who spent years Chasing Down Investigating Donald Trump's tax records pulitzer prize winning journalist David a a Johnson David. What do you make of this well. The post very diligent reporter's got to the whistle blower who is a career. IRS official I assume executive and who was concerned about the some of the reports about this complaint and what's become very clear clear is that someone from Treasury who's a political appointee and there aren't that many of them over in in treasury but I would point out one of them is the Treasury Secretary contrary somehow tried to interfere in the audit of Trump's returns the IRS has very detailed procedures for how it examines the returns of the President Vice-president. They're sent to Austin Texas. They're put in double envelopes. their instructions they are never to be folded or written upon with some minor exceptions because they eventually go to the National Archives and whatever happened here. It's enough that Ritchie Neil the Congressmen who's chairman of the ways and Means Committee Committee seems to think this is quite important that we get to what exactly kind of interference too was and there shouldn't be so much as a phone call saying hey what's up with the audit so I just WanNa be clear her. My understanding of the complaint is that this person was told again that they I handed not witnesses. They were told that this happened happened and we haven't definitively establish that the interference alleged has happened as of yet. It seems to me that that would be a good thing to get to the bottom of yes and part of doing that would be for the Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rhetoric or Treasury Secretary Mnuchin to obey the law. We have a nearly ninety year old anti-corruption law that says you shall turnover the tax returns and by the way trump has the same right he can call up your or my tax tax return if he wants to under this very same statute the whistle blower part of the reason this reporting. I think broke today we knew about this whistle blower from a court filing by chairman meal in his court battle to shake loose these returns from Treasury but today The Washington Post actually talked to the whistle blower. The whistle blower says that he has is legitimate. Concerns about reckless statements being made about whistle blowers. You've got to imagine this individuals now under a fair amount of pressure yes and if identified has to worry there'll be some effort to fire them and trump very clearly here is trying to intimidate all whistle blowers to say to to the bureaucracy and people especially in the State Department the FBI. Keep your mouth shut or life will be difficult for you trump when it asked just about putting endanger the life of one of the whistle blowers because not of him personally but crazy people out there and trump just a construct off the question. This is very should be very deeply disturbing to us. This is not what an honest legitimate government of the people by the people for the people that owes its existence to the people should be doing all right David Johnson. Thank you so much for joining me. I had one of the most persuasive cases as yet. The president is just manifestly unfit for the offices hold and it comes from the husband. Kellyanne conway talk about coming up. If you're watching this right now we're even on a time delay and you live in L. A. or Southern California. I'm talking to you. Yes you everyone else but especially you because I love. La I love California. Love being around you beautiful people with your sunglasses and your and your legalize marijuana getting mostly I do love. La Though and I'm going to be coming to pay are you a very special visit October twenty first. I'll be hosting live edition of my podcast. Wise is happening at this absolutely gorgeous feeder ace hotel and they aren't going to be talking the two people whose work I really admire McKay. He's got a fascinating career trajectory. He's a SNL writer and then director of the big short vice not to mention Talladega nights and anchorman both of which are are truly exceptional brilliant films and Omar Ellicott journalist novelist whose debut novel is set in the near future America in the midst of a civil war caused by climate change an atom and Omar both right now thinking about how you represent the cost of the climate crisis not just in the news but in art and culture how you represented presented in a novel or a movie and I think it's an urgent task as it exists. It's going to be a great discussion so Los Angeles. Come out you can get tickets by heading ticketmaster searching reaching for my name Chris Hayes. Just go to our website. MSNBC DOT com slash with pod tour. I love seeing with pot and fans on the road now. If you're an infant in New York don't forget you can be in our studio audience tomorrow right here Rockefeller Center. Those tickets are free. There are just a few laughs. If you want to join me in a couple hundred of our closest friends for the full studio studio experience visit all in dot. MSNBC DOT COM to see that there's a really good essay published Atlantic today making a case. It's been basically made since Donald Trump was inaugurated but it's that the man is unfit for the office. The thing about this piece is more specific in the argument and it basically says that the presidency in the words this piece is kind of like a fiduciary trust or running a charitable trough prostrate it necessitates putting the interest of the thing you're entrusted with in this case the country over your own interest has just a core definitional part of what the job is and in order to fulfil that undertaking the presidency of the public trust. The person doesn't have to have a certain kind of moral disposition quoting from the piece. The process of election affords a moral certainty certainty. Hamilton wrote that the office of President will never falls a lot of any man who is not an imminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications talents for low intrigue and a little art popularity might suffice for someone to be elected the governorship of state but not the presidency well. The thing is this president is literally literally incapable seemingly at almost kind of physical level which who he is down to a sales of actually doing that he literally cannot do the thing thing that is to conceive of interest outside of his own that the job requires and that's the central thing that being president calls for also another interesting thing about the article the person. Jason wrote it George Conway Up until the trump era George Conway was top-flight elite conservative. Republican lawyer also happens to be married to White House Special Counselor Kellyanne Conway Conway and George become one of trump's biggest online nemeses leading to all sorts of questions as to what the hell is going on over there in the Conway household joining me now who is George Conway's editor on Peace Uni Apple von senior the Atlantic who himself back in March agreed cover story of the Atlantic simply titled Impeach Donald Trump and Jilani COBB staff writer The New Yorker Journalism Professor Plum University who back in July observed the quote the evidence of trump's unfitness for the presidency whether it is calculated or simply deranged. He's inexcusable bowl. You only let me start with you. I'm going to start with is asking this question and you could just bat it away or not answer but it is hard to read George Conway byline piece. Could you edited which makes mention as just entered into evidence like how his staff reacts to him and not wonder if I'm reading Kellyanne Conway is a source well. I think that what George says NASA and and it's a good point is that all of this is out there in public that to know Donald Trump in private and he knew Donald Trump before he was president as well is to know him in slightly more intense forum than the way he's visible in public but George the point is that all of this is out there for anyone to see. It doesn't take special access. It doesn't take behind this sources. We can all see exactly who trump. There's every day starts with a good metaphor in the lead which is he describes a injury in Washington football players leg during a play and he said you don't have to be the doctor when you look to the play these rolling on the ground writhing in pain and you look at the replay like something's wrong and he's basically saying the same thing is the case here with the president. I I think that you know I'll I'll match that analogy with one of my own which is that if you have a car that has really great alignment and you're driving on a flat surface. You can take your hands off the wheel and the car will stay in its lane. Keep going and but no matter how great your alignment is this eventually. You'll start to drift and left unchecked. You wind up in a ditch. We're running that same experiment right now that the institutions in this country that have been sustained through various trials and tribulations of amendments and social upheaval and civil war and so on that the machinery of democracy has been able to remain on the road but would you be very clear that no one has their hands on the wheel right now especially when we're looking at it just the kind of daily cascade of crazy which I think is the real benefit of the conway piece because it really lays down. It's almost a glossary the the insane things that have happened during the course of this administration and it's also an argument. That's a great metaphor by the way it's also argument. Yoni that it just again. It's arguments made it sort of stops in a focus which is the job requires centrally almost more than anything else that you recognize your interest as a human being what you want for yourself. It's just just distinct from the job. You've been entrusted with which is to do what's best for the American people in America is a nation and that he literally in the way that a colorblind person can't see color like he actually can't understand that yeah you know the first time. I talked to George who one of the nation's top corporate litigators who trump wanted for top justice department in post he said Look I. I know what this is ideal every day. With the law of fiduciaries with people who are entrusted with overseeing some set of interests this distinct from their own and trump can't do that. He is constitutionally incapable of doing that. this is about his character not about his disposition. He cannot separate his own personal interests from the national interest. I think if you look at the news over the last few days we've seen example after example after example of how this president is incapable of seeing a difference between the collect to public interest which is a job to safeguard and his own personal private political aspirations nations and that goes to everything that goes to his business which he continues to profit from the presidency. There's reporting the house. Committee is investigating whether they are group's booking rooms at trump hotels and not using them so just like big blocks of rooms to ingratiate of the president and not using essentially bribe and that only exist exist because he failed to divest and detach himself because he can't come to think those two things could be intention anyone but but he's also playing on a particular a kind of misunderstanding. I think in the public which is that if it's done out in the open is must be honest so if I'm corrupt but I'm public about it. It means that I can't quite be corrupted must be okay because I've been just a front about it and so this is like the conundrum we find ourselves and that people understand what the actual who guidepost are the hair on fire and then the kind of wide swath of the public doesn't get it or eighty percent the Republican Party which actually adores this guy. Yes and I think that eighty percent of the Republican Party Yoni they have come to actually internalize the idea that the relationship between the president's interest in America's interests are necessarily an identity relationship. They are definitely one of the same and therefore with the president does is in pursuit of America and if you oppose hose the president you are essentially traitorous. What's so interesting about this. Particular moment is that trump finds himself in a new kind of trouble because is those around him. We're trying to protect him because they looked at the transcript of the call with Ukraine they were listening to his call with the leaders of China of Saudi Arabia of Russia and they said we've got to put this on special server. This can never see the light of day. It was the fact that everyone around him recognize what he was doing was wrong and tried to protect him. I'm from it that has signaled to the public. There was something bad here whereas when he does it out there in public I think it's much harder folks to to differentiate the hear. The arguments from both sides sides have trouble figuring out where the truth lies when you see everyone around the president understanding that what he's just gone is a violation. That's Crystal Clear Yoni Appelbaum Jilani Cobb. Thanks for making time tonight. That does it for all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on. MSNBC don't forget to like us on facebook. That's facebook dot com slash all in with Chris. 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Covid  a mixed blessing for Spanish politics, economy & society? With Alan McGuire

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Covid a mixed blessing for Spanish politics, economy & society? With Alan McGuire

"Meritas to a new episode of the wedding. Spain cast a very warm. Welcome to you wherever you're listening from around the world. Thank you so much for joining me. If you need to this podcast when you wondering what it's about well I aim to bring a little slice of spain. Spanish coach insights bit of armchair travel. I suppose during these times when it's pretty difficult for us to travel all about spayed and this episode of course is absolutely no exception coming up. I'm going to be talking to alan mcguire. allen is a british writer podcast. he's written for numerous publications. The local here in spain huffington post labor list The international house journal naked madrid and many moyes also work on a couple of books. He's currently working on a book about spain. And he's very interested in politics philosophy and society and in fact he has his very own podcast which he started quite recently a few months ago. Called these sabra messer podcast. I'm so go and check it out now. Allen is allen's focus is really more on politics and society related to spain whereas caused what inspires. You guys know is more of a general. Look at spain allen's joining me on this episode and we're gonna be talking about politics and economy pre cove in spain. I'm going to be looking at politics. And economy post covert we think potentially the economic and political situation in spain could change as we move through the kovic crisis pandemic but will this transform change four spain to have a long look at itself and look at ways which you can change for the better in the future. So that's what we're gonna be talking about is quite a long episode. i guess. Because mr allen's podcast is called the subway mess podcast. Nobody in case you. Not sure is the long kind of conversation or chat you have with family and friends. After you've finished eating your meal normally on a sunday afternoon you'll have a long sauber. Inessa we stay sitting at the table and discussing everything. That's going on in the world and so i guess this episode is a little bit like that which makes sense i suppose given the allens posses called the subway mess podcast now. I must say when we decided to record the episode. We decided to do a crossover. So in this episode. I'm interviewing on his fame podcast about politics and economy if you head over to his podcast. The subway mr podcast a bit later. This week i think from friday he will be publishing an episode where he interviews me and i'm going to be talking about on his podcast. The image of spain. What the global image of spain is how it's perceived internationally and weather covid has affected the global image of spain or not so do so do head over later this week to check out talend podcast to hear me for once on the other side of the microphone being interviewed by alan so just before we get into this episode with talking politics and economy and covert. I just like to say really Had a number of messages from listeners. 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If you feel it's worth a couple of dollars of your money each month to keep going and growing okay then so let's get into the episode because there's quite long one so you might want to break this down into two separate sittings if you like of listening quite a lot to get through without get. It's quite a meaty subject. Some of the things we touch on relate to a couple of previous episodes i recorded with the journalist and writer william chip's lit a couple of months ago so without further ado his allen mcguire alan a pleasure to have you join me on spain. Podcast thanks for your time. Thanks for having me pull so. Let's talk about the recent budgets and unprecedented increase. No the spending ceiling over fifty percents. And i believe that was something in the region of one hundred and ninety six that was made available. This is going back to a couple of months ago. Right the total amount for spain from the eu was one hundred forty billion. I think it was around. Seventy billion in in what they call grants. They won't have to be paid back. And then another third seventy billion Available in the form of loans Now a lot of people have been mike right. Surprised by the ears response to this crisis others not so much. So i suppose i think it's a troll matha not just spain but lost countries that hot austerity You know that wasn't really an option not to have start. Impose the plenty of During a financial crisis so the famous example been syra greece. you know they the referendum they elected to really left wing platform and starts at potsy and then famously. And just to paci implemental sturdy Against the wishes. Spain on the other hand the so we were part time based sides and started cuts. So you know for so middle of the middle of the road socialist pie a good thing. I'm gonna sometimes. They don't talk about obviously Roy was elected And he did the cuts much deepa and he also throw in some reforms. Which is what the you'd want as well Much spineless one being the working racial labels And you know that that that that that that doesn't needs to be reforms in a lot of these countries that have old states but then it's you know what form to the reforms. Take you know how they reformed for the benefit. All's businesses or they reforms bennett work. Because or as epa if both and i think You know many people would agree. That austerity was wrong new because they didn't really implemental starchy in america. Breath obama didn't implemental. Startegy are much better The most of europe europe's economies stock nights. It that's been still locked up. It hasn't really changed by or starches. Such apartment it was And the this. And i think right The the real signify here. Was that the difference between Europe in america is In fifty years after the second boer wall even in spain which was under french list tie. It's tie ship bill. They still security network of on. You know which is the national health service in the uk but Also just social security system here in spain And you know. Inverse countries mole in the nordic countries. You might say it's a lot more generous that people pay more taxes In spain they do very the healthcare system does very well with little money. The little money they do spend on that compared to some of these other big countries The spanish healthcare systems very good. Now obviously that's run by community. That is now allocate funds differently. And i about things to say about the healthcare madrid's But you know you go to most cities and spending have very modern function function hospitals. I've had many people brett so people come live in. Spain have been very impressed by the spanish healthcare system and in fact act shaft. I have a number of spanish friends who live back in the uk and my hometown in oxford. Who workers is in the british national health service. Actually they say the they find that in many ways The spanish healthcare system They think is better in terms of the Availability of treatments and equipment and how well managed and equip the hospitals are. I guess their complaint is that maybe in spain the problem is the instability of contracts for healthcare workers compared with the uk which is why many of them have decided to go and work in the uk. But yeah i think No disagree with the fact that Spain has a by european standards A very good health system. Yeah yeah. And i mean i mean i suppose the the one thing that But this was the thing that saved us. German crun- virus was having his public health Infrastructure that you know we will have to stay indoors. Romance of the hospitals think overloaded. Because that was no vaccine to the virus then but You know these These services that will already been run on a shoestring allow people in the new This without the coronavirus zimmer's you know being cut back services have been rolled back many people say the starchy by the youth following that financial crash gave rise to the to the foul right. Sharon spankings books. You know this is happening all over your pen france. Afc in germany. And then you've got You know authoritarian. Dita's in in hungary Tuffy another place even in the nordic countries like sweden and the netherlands. And things you know. That's a resurgence. In the far right and they are threat to the european project which is souther integration into. You know what someday. Both cynically says the united states europe. But you know when you have a shed currency you need some sort of stability so i think you know the european leaders come together. They had like a full day conference and it was the mediterranean countries and it was the the metro conscious with a left-wing government in and so it's portugal italy. I felt like the five star movement which has really that left wing But i'm spain and these three countries Later supported by france. Germany were pushing full. Think krona bombs which was like european bonds so that all countries in europe which mutual is that debt now countries in the north of unquote fiscal full. So this like denmark. Sweden now when i say fiscal full you might think that consent is countries actually know that that is socially democratic punches. They have it infrastructures. But this of resistance to more european integration which this would be one of the biggest steps for europe to have this source wallet that conscious that playing one night to credible so they came to a half way thing which was basically the debt from the kreiner. Virus crisis will be neutralised Only part of it And they've saw come up. This is why half the money is in bonn. Grants near the office in loans Since then which. This was back in nyc eight blessings all june ninety since then both portugal and spain. Her said yet. What takes grants But when knox oh sure about the rest of the money us on on. This is so i suppose to me. This is the crux of like you can throw as much money as you won't country but unless they make structural reforms. It's not really going to do anything you end up with You know really like spain's last economic boom. You ended up with all of these like it might town but might have gone. As the the signifies of the the last crisis are always ready. Stupid roundabout sculptures that were involved with russian. So the local naive. I think it was his brethren all paid him a couple of hundred thousand pounds to donate stupidity Structures in the midst of Roundabouts and i mean they already grotesque and then he likes the prophet. I recall him ten grams. Bill and that was happening all over spain and that was apple. I'm i think at this point now will be very employment point. Four people's confidence in politicians the state on the eu because the money being thrown at spain The hundred and fully billion is more than than invested in spain in the first ten years of its When it joined the so when it joined the eu it was asked to go away and things. Becky nine hundred eighty six when it johnnie. Yeah and throughout the night. Since giving us money i mean you go to drive around spe now this i mean. They can't not beautiful but they're awesome untrusted. Moat ways with big signs. Say this was built with funds At anyone who's traveled from madrid times new fia My wife lost tells me when she's travel with a family and when she was really In late eighties based tries to travel around all the mountain roads And they build. It's great big Motorway just basically cuts through the mountains now that infrastructure. That's really good and you know is bringing the economy. I'm really trying to bring all the countries of europe up to the same standard which is a good thing about the european union in my opinion but Sorry going back to the. I think spain's ability to be able to spend this money will reflect on the country and it will also reflect maybe a turning point in the in the in the political cast because put them off the popular come out of the financial crisis on the left wing side often used to talk about the political class of terrible and that the ones that makes us up Merckel and these are now. They're in government and they are so of an dasell is keeping the the what we call the spanish socialist pie. What's actually more like a center. Left party Not very socialist the toll rail even that says the name That they also keep in the social pie more on the left and the on the investment side But the one thing is that policies. Which i think some of them not really great like the the increases in public spending the infrastructure in Investment in green technology investment in digits lies in the state. So anyone that knows about plans type luck. Immigrants in spain knows that the paperwork involved in applying for any sort of residency permit is just obscene among migrants. Not come out with printers. So he's ready bodies. I mean who prints things off these days really. Yeah i agree with that Spanish the famous spanish bureaucracy is incredible actually the lack of digitalization compared with other countries just going back to austerity. What in your opinion have been the key consequences of that authority. We talked about the health service. being run shoestring well other problems came out of the austerity measures in spain. I suppose for me would be the brain drain really education in spain. Lots of praise. At one thing i think is good about the education spang. I mean it has one of the highest dropout rates for high school so people not finish. Finish sixteen i think probably and eighteen i think is one of the highest in europe one of the highest. I think you know if not be highest. I think but for me that at the entrance to university is quite good. You know they do this sort of entrance exam fuel a class kit from by across. But you'll you studied at school. And you got high enough. Mach on this university exam you can study medicine so They ranked the subjects Medicine is obviously one of the top ones But then they rank these subjects on the universities and independently the school. You can go to these things now. i nurse and From the uk and becoming mistake but i met lots of doctors in the uk for through luck normally backgrounds in the uk to get into medicine. It's really difficult. You have to have a special second name and you have to get a stas new volunteer back in the last thing in spanish. It's a lot easier to get into medicine And that just goes for other disciplines as well as so many engineers and stein. It's unbelievable. I'm not sure it's just a madrid thing. But it sure. I've met so many engineers over the living here of various types with civil engineers or ever nautical engineers or chemical engineers or as much and and it's really cheap to go to university here as well compared to several other countries. I mean it's graham the basically to go to a public university on whilst education is Many might say no as high or differently. I think it's just the old way of teaching nato. Lots of exams. I've never known one to study as much as a spanish kid or a spanish teenager exams. Every three or four weeks. I think they're extensive exams as well things that they never use again. And i think that Sick this kind of addiction to this kind of system of rote learning and maybe not so much critical. Thinking i got up ability to think creatively instead of this leading regurgitating to getting ready to related exactly but i mean that's like so coming by lincoln back to a sturdy it's like they with the star t they basically just cut back won't estate provides and there was no investment either So you know austin. The state invests in Research you know the world wide web. Gps all invented by the american state department. It wasn't invented by google or amazon. And you know private. Companies thrive off of Austin public investment. And that's not to say it's a bad thing. The private sector also invests but the private sector invest when the public sector investment so this lack of investment as led to lack of opportunities which has pushed a lot of Spanish graduates abroad many to german name to the uk And they have gone abroad. And i don't know if many have come back and the ones that have come back have been a bit disillusioned classy spaniards that have moved back to spain because they love like like people. Do they loved the lifestyle here. They love the fighting dates relative. You can have a relatively good life on so the minimum wage but they didn't mind their contracts and don't night the the poll management and they don't like the was action and the lack of investment from You know lack of investment from. It's not just from the state but from from companies as well i mean you know. The state in my opinion has an obligation to solve crea a A a culture of investment and entrepreneurship. I mean just become in south employed. Here is an off the anyone off. Yes failure an outdoor tunnel. There's very little incentive to to become an autonomous really work freelance business because the way the systems design is you have to pay quite heavy taxes up front to get going and so make. Most people are put off doing it. Which for me is crazy. I mean especially in now the twenty first century digital economies. You're seeing around the world. This growing start up culture amnon. Spain spain does have a startup coach. Ship it may be that would flourish if they changed the way The system in terms of allowing people to sit Set up there in business Without having any say much financial burden yeah with all story. That was one of the things that was like with cutting back. We spent too much money. We've been we've been bide. We had fun and then it then. The economy crashed and now we go up. Tighten up out they allston. Many politicians will if parents the household. But you don't run a country like a household you know. I think they saw a brain drain. And it's not obvious took off austerity and as probably difficult to prove empirically. That started cool. But i think it's the salt mindset and i spent two years living in london when my wife says spanish before i moved to spain and i met a lot of these people. They they made up. Sponge people very gregarious. They meet up in groups on. This often happens when immigrants me like i you know being branch in me and other brits of madrid is same. I met lots of spanish people in london. And most of the things that they all said and this was in two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen when the big crisis was so of point in nearly. There's just no opportunity inspect if you've got if you become a functioning audio that slide the best but If you you know if you wanna make some money or you want to You know if you want to. Innovate all you want to you. Know there's there's a change. And i think that that whole mentality needs to completely change Not just for the sake. Saco the economy. I think the if if we don't want to see a vox support turned government Which i certainly don't because I believe that they will eradicate state further and You know very macho. Lots of nationalism. The not the sole of positive. Nationalism not progressive nationalism. That i think. Spain has clock a level of you know i think these things all needs change if they want to saw improved economy but also you know if people are reason to vote for these old self pies. That people feel failed. That people felt felt by back in two thousand. I'm probably still fill filed by now. I mean the polls are different. But the to pi system has been smashed in spain Yeah i mean. I'm talking about jobs and younger. People you know anyone. Biller under- the age of i suppose thirty Unemployment is still a huge problem in spain. Actually you know look in the us all even the uk. It's around four. Five percent Compared with spain which is well. I mean right way back a off to the crisis of the financial crisis it was running something like twenty seven twenty eight percent for young people one point it was. Yeah yeah absolutely. And they've managed to get that down. I think To about fifteen percent now and that's kind of been hailed as some kind of fantastic success story got unemployment down to fifteen percent but it still astronomical compared to many other western democracies. It's it's kinda crazy. And i totally agree with what you're saying about opportunities for young people. I think I think spain has in europe. The highest the most overqualified population of any european country the opportunities out there for them and the other interesting stat. I suppose you could throw in. Which i found out recently. Ish offense quite interesting is that i think something like eight out of ten businesses in spain employ fewer than ten people's basically the majority of Spanish businesses small businesses which then kind of opens the door to abusive working conditions woven big national or multinational company which has very strict policies and human resources department and things in place to protect its employees. And i've certainly heard lots of this kind of thing from my spanish friends who web small companies Who are given temporary contracts. Six month contracts and they get renewed every six months then take some years to get a permanent contract. Best this kind of mentality. I've seen that the employers treat their workers like well. If you don't want to do this job there will be a hundred other people queuing up to do it. So if you're not happy happy with if you're not happy with earning a thousand euros a month and you're not happy with the temporary contract then okay go and there will be another person knocking on the door to to fill your shoes. So this kind of You know Revolving door syndrome. I think in spain. I've noticed with with carina. My i go friend and places. She's wirtz and other spanish friends that there seems to be this lack of investment in people for the longer term. It just seems to be while we just Bums on seats and you just have to put up with it. If you don't like an early which creates huge amount of instability for young people for those people under thirty. I'm not saying that's true. In every case. I know people who work for big companies and have secure jobs and permanent contracts in my experience for the most part most spanish people. I know have quite precarious working situations to be honest which then has knock on effects because then it's like well. How'd you get on the property ladder. How'd you buy property. And in many cases even it's difficult to rent a place and move out of your parents home because if you got a six month contract most landlords or letting rental agencies same well no we need a permanent contracts is kind of that kind of a coach a feeds into so many other parts of your daily life. One thing i do. I love about. Spain is the small businesses in lagaras. I live on the high street. There are need to chain styles The rest of us mulbah local businesses family owned businesses immigrant owned businesses. And you know these they allow these riots. Because i think it i'm not sure which government it was. I'm sure that was a maybe. It's not that oh boy. They put a freeze on On rents for smaller businesses. Baas and things. Which is why i am. I that i got was like twenty five years. It wasn't that was rent trees on small businesses longtime from twenty five years. not yet. i'm not sure which company was under. I think it might have even been four route. Hoya i mean this might have been going back to the early nine two. Yeah yeah. I totally agree with you. One fantastic mental drive in the past the diversity of businesses small businesses in for example. Where from in the uk just vanished. Yeah y'all the little local gray stole the independent persuaded by big chains have spain but to a far lesser extent. I think than other as yeah. Yeah but as y like So i think you know. These small businesses need to thrive and so two new small businesses coming through but a lot of these small businesses and some of them have lifelike in a cynical way. Too funny you know. They have big white nikolas stuck to the stuff to a wind. Like husband lie. Yo you know you'll you'll big white garments here But yet here earned. These businesses are dying off or retiring. And i think we're gonna see us the coronavirus law of as Especially with the baas while you know not people that want to invest the so what's become popularly. Not the is no frills buys but people don't wanna open you know families don't wanna inherited as all things like this Yeah yeah something. I think will change. Krona's ours is a lot of bars and shops and Things i'm what's going to replace them if if it's not if it's not young spanish people which you know. We want it to be young. Spanish people that entrepreneurs and people that want to own businesses are gonna treat staff right or is it going to be these giant Chain stores and you said so. Big companies have goods You know like ethical hate charts. And i think that's true in the office. Well like services financial services. Like be me out the and santana and all these big multinationals that employ people and a very important But then you get like Employers deliver delivery and Global and they are very precarious large employers and I think one good thing. The spanish state is the now and i think she's one of the politicians to lockout out for its the minister of neighbor. You'll end the she's from she's from else. she's a member of scotto. need i which is Which pop moss. And she's from galicia and she has been one of the major full ses. And i think she's one of the brightest politicians in spain And she's a labor lawyer On she has taken a lot of these companies to call to. And it's not like to. It's literally just give these writers delivery riders give them contracts and make the companies pay social security which they want before. Because you know and this is happening all over. The world and spain is actually taking a taking a Taken a legal in europe. I think by prosecuting these companies. I'm stuff what. And i think that needs to happen as well. I mean we can talk entrepreneurship. And i'm cutting the textiles will tournament. Isn't i think needs to be done. And the contributions that they make with our ability to certain things and also how much it costs. Small companies to employ somebody soften wide is lacks a big You know Tax free economy in spain Because it's so. It is quite expensive to employ someone. I i understand. I expecting to love english school chances. Who learned academies they like. It's so expensive for me to employee number staff. You cannot believe that's why the wages conch up so you know all these. These things have to be balanced Tax the ball and not increase them for the people talk. And if you're not with somebody you wanted to talk by. Wasn't it like the tandis. Yes absolutely yeah. Because i i think from a recent but this was something that was sets out so attack tax hikes for high income individuals and corporations that will in effect on the small percentage of tax payers. But is it. You think that's the way forward. I think this is just a symbolic gesture. Do you think this is something that will actually help some tangible effects for those the lower end of the ending. Scott l think the this. This makes the The politics within the coalition government. Very interesting. so you know. The coalition government that we have which is essential to that pro european union that pretty much do european union once. They're also very pro business They ought pro-monarchy. This is a pie. Has politics within itself like they. Pedro sanchez is now. Prime minister was actually the leader of the persona for a while And then he got kicked by the managers of a machine of the basilica which is huge. It's one of the biggest one of the oldest Pies in is the pine spain next to one of the peon. Vahan country And you know the internal dynamic going on the pessoais and as an tunnel diamonds gone on and then putin loss like trying to overtake episode when they started to become the left wing violence they never achieve that goal and they are what many people would call Populists and If you read the news. I mean it depends only read the news But i'm also often like shawna's light this horrible communists Publicly gets a lot of hate via the media. I think putin making And i think the eu giving the savvy room to invest more in the country and To do things that could people now if they can get away with in taxes So they can get away with not feeling taxes too much. I think they will. And one of penalties like pa agreement as the coalition was they wanted a wealth tax and they also wanted to attack tax. Like on google and things will. The google one was shelved. The tech tax was shelved Within months of the the power and the wealth tax has sort of been passed in some form Will that coa heads. I don't know. I mean in days of You know offshore accounts. I'm and you know the king was involved or the the ex king was alleged to have been involved with all of this You know these are things that That even though they might put the taxes on these big companies in these high awareness. Who's to say that That don't just gonna move them around because a lot of it is well. It depends on the rules in europe. I mean europe are passing bills and laws to try and address these tax havens. And i think this is where the european union so involved in the fiscal policy of spain. Not a degree of you need. Spend your money on this but sometimes it is all. You can't spend your money on this but also the wider of globalist system So yeah it's kinda difficult to say whether these tax rises will benefit. Because to be cynical as you say. I don't think that they will probably go through They might generate some income by think. More of it's gonna come from Investment is that changes changes anything for work. Spanish people is going to be investment If i suck investment-backed route through taxes on the lowest earners in society the nets obviously a very stupid thing to do Or they suck out of people that trying to set their own business and You know make them pay high taxes. Then that's just the wrong way. And i mean that's just continuing to do what they've done. I mean spain has very low taxes for corporations and higher. I mean not the not the highest in europe the not as low as ireland the islands of f. attack saving the anyway. But you know they're not as high as tax in systematic highs. Germany germany's one of the richest countries in europe. Talking about that blueprint for the hiking tax rates. I noticed the part of that deal set. Some minimum tax rate of fifteen percent for real estate investment trusts. Which is interesting because the real investment real estate investment trust is the type of vehicle company which is actually used by wealthy individuals to save taxes. A couple of weeks ago there was very little scandal. I think the government and involves so many of the politicians diminished brush off down a right wing publication In spank adult s by and they had like a birthday pie. This is just days after spanish government of said no more than six people to get together. They had this birthday pie where they invited people from all across split spectrum and certainly people from across the political spectrum one house minister when he had to lay apologize for that and made it clear that you didn't stay for the but you also had an as mad asked the leader the leader of the centrist ansa to demos. Then you had members of the persona that you also have mendez's a ppv famously. Hot numbers of occidental members of Sta said light. The saw the to populist on each weren't there but you also had business leaders that Ministers from different governmental departments. And you know they were all like to dining together early. I think and this is probably being a bit cynical buff as much as a lot. These politicians might talk about tax hikes for the rich and things. I think you know the end of that. I have a large majority in the government. I think that this is going to be interested in full. The stability of the country also the politics within the coalition because One taxes on the rich and the persona. We probably don't end up. Probably going to be pressured to the subway and from europe not to cut to higher taxes On things and you know. Can you talk. Show out of a crisis I'm not sure. Can you invest your way of a crisis. Yes bob enough. The second one will be interesting to see what happens without ready. I mean trusted particularly to see what will happen with the pandemic recovery fund money which oversees a vast amount of money for spain because that comes with attached to it when that money is released. Spanish governments conscious. Just spend it willy nilly on whatever. They want everything that they have to present a case for spending to brussels and An has to be approved. Yes or no so. I mean that's gonna be interesting and i want. I wonder is this windfall of money. A turning point for spain in terms of as you were saying investment kind of forcing the hand in a way making them invest in people. Rob van as we've seen as you mentioned before infrastructure whether now this will actually have some meaningful long-term effect on reshaping the economy for for workers. So i've gone and it's a on bashful plugged. But i've done an interview on my podcast. The wouldn't employees advertisers size. We go and she talks about housing crisis on in the resistance to this she was studying at the time and the one interesting story comes by reminded. Spain doesn't really have a comprehensive state run housing program so social housing social housing council houses is money can be spent on infrastructure. I mean as long as it's good infrastructure if it's terrible roundabouts light there is a the south in the old like has never been used social ryan for a euro. I think. Fill these terrible things than you know. That's why i think that this could not. This will be a ton of the body for spain because if you'll get this much money and the politicians basically mess up how going to spend then i think that's gonna call That's gonna give a law of course for resentment towards the government. But i you know other people as well but i spend it well and improves. The material lives of of people that have been so disenfranchised. They've you know they've either boats assault so i mean it's bit nights The american elections ready you know donald trump As much as ever might hate him. That's obviously something that people love about him. And he increased his vote. He got big event. And all these people sit around scratching the headline. Why people from because the guy was offering change now did he get that change in his voice as president. I didn't think so. Would he give it the next four years. No but joe biden was saying you know go back to normal things go back to normal but it was normal so great and i think that's a similar thing. I think the government now need to make sure they spend this money properly uninvested properly To make sure that you know we don't get people like donald trump run in spain Because if if if you know there's not going to be a ton of now because like the demos with a slight populus we'll we'll also outstay and all this little thing that'll they're in power with the people that were criticizing A now they saw outside influence. The alternative is volks I'm vauxhall famously. Slapdown weeks ago by The leader of the centre-right plots so you know They were slapdown journal. No offense no motion might mount etna confidence in which completely flats yeah. Yeah an- and famously. Yeah the conservative the sabotage in spain. Who you know quite right wing than economically liberal. And i know the rest of it Basically will turn that back on So i think if if this government and you know the other centre parties as well. The ppm the donald's if they want to Stop people like and power Then i think they need to work together. A bit more You know invest in the future. Spend money well because the other thing is That i think we haven't mentioned is how decentralized the money in spain and i'm responsible as the central government so you won't point. I mean like it might be that We get money from the eu on. Then you know so. He gave son much money to Cuts looney as so much money to madrid some money time the new fia and if those areas mess up the spending up who's it gonna reflect bossy on probably the central government in my opinion absolutely and that's an interesting point because i think historically if you look at budgets and spending of the spanish or tournaments regions i mean. There are numerous cases of corruption particularly on the loose hair and in valencia It interesting how those regional governments largely rely on money being handed out from central government. But they don't seem to have this mentality or ethos of thinking as a region as original government how they can generate their own income. Another thing is as well as the the style of governance when it comes to Regional governments you know then working with the central government. I think that's another thing that's really been shown up by. The coronavirus is that there is no that sort of Political parties if you know the the the clear example would be The pp in madrid. So the p p. as i said l. as sent ryon is the main opposition simply fps obeyed it was like the the version of the republicans more or less You know the big big right wing party and they are in charge all madrid and throughout this coronavirus. The the the president of the community of madrid is about you saw has constantly Gone against basically african the central kuzmin. Said i'm you know this time of crisis. When hundreds of thousands of people are dying. And that doesn't seem to be they don't seem to be able to get along to govern riley And i think that's you know that's a big problem because You know it doesn't do the citizens. Any favors really not an a lot of a lot. Eight of this recently has monroe. Lettuce is situation kind of it and it was just getting sick of it. Can we just with this huge problem that we have on upland my first What your opinion is on. I used to me just seems like it's just deliberate. Petty political point scoring almost for the sake. Yeah i mean. I think being used As well on not being used by thinks of like they are trying to make the central government look bad Because the end of the day she's a member of the pcp You know that's one of the ways of trying to make The guzzle central government bat. They you know. It's it's so as an i think it was working to a degree But not so much. I think so. This is kind of interesting point. pablo inglesias. Who is the leader demus and junior partner in the coalition. He's often depicted this so this crazy venezuelan sympathizing communist In the media and then often Denounced because he built a nice flat in Are nice fillet the hills in madrid with his with his Wife who is the minister of equality at any montalto and they they They are sort of often talkative by the spanish media. rather than pedro sanchez Who's who's i think quite while respected by the spanish me to barron money's the prime minister join a global the neck For small amount of power they have They are obviously inside the government and public laser said in recent weeks in an interview. The worst thing that could happen to the spanish right-wing was that that would be a left wing. Coalition in taiwa at the time when europe says way going to invest rahva Austerity place because if the european starting place than we would probably have elections tomorrow. Because i don't think demos would stay in government Not only because of You know political positions but just down due to ethics. The the party was born out of the anti star t. movement. Which was you know in. Spain was huge. Fifty men was a massive movement Like the spanish version of occupied ten times bigger And you know. He said that this was like that. Worst nightmare which is why as well. We've seen a lot of The of of the pandemic because You know trying to destabilizing de legitimize. The coalition government you know the end of the day was democratically elected And you know that that sort of behavior is kind of similar what we're saying to donald trump no except the result of that across collections. In america bu- eight from the opposition side. And that's been numerous court cases and refusals to do basic democratic things like the renewal of the head of the spanish national. Tv says the renewal of coal administration These things all need two thirds of congress to vote for them and the p p. could vote with personae and you know renewed these institutions that have meant to be renewed is But you know the not an essay another reason. Why don't do because we don't We don't recognize you'll government because demonstra inside of it now whether whatever your opinion of pidemo's might be and they've made a coalition with the biggest democratically to party and they have a majority in congress. I mean that's democracy And the the the move the right In my opinion it's through the colts And this is something. We say a lot in south america as well. It's been important to to europe Is like trying to make your position look bad by making go to col- and things like this And it's not to say that the left wing role innocent imperfect. Because i'm not and i'm sure there's probably things that should cold after that has happened with seven in in years but you know there's lots of corruption in andalucia so we were empowered not really say from from the day franco died all the way up until when they lost under lucia to vox in the pp. Coalition think was two years ago now. They deserve flu that in my opinion because it was so much corruption in under lucia That you know. They took the vote for granted and they took the people granted. And if you take for granted than you deserve to be in power not saying. I like the right way of. Vox empowered under lisa right. Yeah contact you for granted. The wrestling. And i think they obviously became Thoroughly complacent i supply. Yeah go back to this windfall of money for the pandemic recovery funds. Is it fair to say. The spain needs to diversify its economy because we know very well but obviously tourism is Something like i dunno. Sixteen percent of gdp Which is a huge percentage. I think it's like the third biggest sector in in spanish economy and then also the construction industry which for decades and decades and decades has been a central part of the spanish economy construction industry. I think we've seen is not really not sustainable. And the spanish tourism industry at times. Like this. And i know this is an unprecedented situation with covid. Nineteen we've seen it called me is massively because of that but is is this a wakeup call for spain is this may be a kind of unfortunate but may be lucky coincidence that this has happened because it might give spain an opportunity to reassess itself and where it's going for the next fifty years in terms of its economy weaning itself off the addiction to building an infrastructure and tourism. And looking at what else it can do. What other kinds of economic roles it compla- in european and the world that sixteen percent of gdp which is toward. I think it's probably a lot larger with new light the nakagawa's scale on You know it's probably. I mean is huge and i'm going back to the full covid towards him was terrible. I mean you go to boston center for the weekend. If you go to the suburbs abbass llano. They're out scutts. Beautiful city and i love cutler now. i think it's a great pop. Spain On but you know you go down the ramblers on it was terrible on a you know Costa cruise line is bringing in thousands of people and they weren't ready spending money in the local economy. They were just going around us in the seventies but not spending money there. So you know. Investment the unity these cruise companies on invested in asia So you know tourism. I think was actually voted to mohammed to spain. And anything and it still like that like weird like abusive relationship. You know. it's like. I think that was a bit of a complex there as well as like we. I mean spanish people very proud and that you know i think it would be good if they invested in something else other than tourism. Because you know. I think the tourists that come to spain you know. Many of them Coming have the right. Reasons don quixote top pass Sunshine relaxing getting to know the idea in peninsula. The culture the history but there are a lot of a lot of tourism is abusive as well. You know you've got Ole around the coasts tara party scenes during the coronavirus. These people one respecting So distant send masks things like that and You know. I say this is a brett as well It's really embarrassing for british people. I mean but also spain. I think spain's a great country and it should have a bit more pride in in not relying much on towers an outside money to come in. Which is the problem isn't it was krona. Virus is this. Is this a wakeup call. I think wakeup kohl's good. If you do something about the same yes. It is a wake up call. Our is terrible way. reliant on tourism. Don't do anything about it than than what's the point in having a wakeup call so i do think that refoms needs to be made investment needs to be made. I think it could be a ton of point. I think a lot of it depends on the competence of politicians. Because i think competence and intention a two things we often Get wrong and right. On donald trump. What this image that you wanted to change america and that's what all people voted for him but was he competent. Probably not I'm you know The even take things like brexit could. Brexit could be a good thing if it was managed and done well and you know there was a close relationship with europe and all the rest of that it could. You know these negative things don't have to be Like about now you can a good thing. If managed properly egypt and depends entirely. On the quality of your political class i suppose the willingness to instigate change In a meeting for by or whether we just say right great. We've got his money. That's just carry on down the same old road we've been going down the last sixty years the question if any government is willing to really take pardon the pun the by the horns really try and make some long term meaningful change to put spain on a completely different course of course tourism in spain will always be a fundamental cornerstone to the spanish economy. Because i'll say many things in iowa a lot a lot of people one great climate weather beaches well established tourist destination as well but hispanic tap a long hard look at itself and say what else can doing in the long term to mitigate any other issues like we're going through now we're just relying on i a couple of Sectors to generate income. I nine one missed opportunity. I would like. I think there's lots will change unless you take them. One of them was renewable. Energy in spain has like the most sunshine in. I think it's the country with the most sunshine in europe may be but you have a lot sunshine here and when renewable energy was really taking off spain never invested in it And i'm the that were like That was some incentives to have solar panels house that that was those incentives removed by by the last roy. Pb government And they saw missed the boat. And i mean they keep on talking about the green new deal the great industrial revolution in this popular over the world but spain could have gone ahead of the curve with this and and yet they're all these private companies that would have benefit from this the government benefit as well but they sort of kind of missed the boat with that Given the fact that as you said you know geographically. Spain is is lucky in the sense that you know solar energy and also Wins and it does well. It has a ready made population of incredibly. Well qualify engineers. Yup i could implement this. I mean the other thing that we haven't mentioned yet by think is terribly important is what is often referred. I think you've an episode on this. Which i enjoyed by the way is not the empty space You know the you know these small towns in the middle of nowhere that You know if they're lucky to have a function in Winery or brewery oil of some sort factor. Close the not so. Keep the town alive But some of them you know. The factory closes and all the people move to madrid madrid and barcelona drains on the rest of spain at times. i've had a starkly been for a long time as well but You know if you had up a soda pham in the middle of two city Two small towns that have both lost. You know that major income which might have been a factory or a lot of it. Ju join the housing crisis building. Which you know is never come back to all these houses like some some places as whole towns are completely empty because but yeah that's like using this investment integrate technology and green renewable energies could've revived this You know this empty spain. And i think that's just a that's been missed and and i think it less spain stotts you know getting jumping on these opportunities then It's just gonna drift the economy's just gonna get worse. Politics is going to become more polarized and You know there's a lot of evidence that shows around the you know the more divided country and the and the the less productive its economy the unhappier. It systems are on the the more individualistic Becomes an countries with more polarized economy. Sorry i mean The ones to at least happiest Spain actually does does quite well even though it's connie brilliant it Used to provide quite well for citizens up until about two thousand and eight. I'm an even though you know it wasn't the biggest economy in the world or anything It was still you know it's not about having the most productive Calling me is balanced between people and business. I'm productivity and work and life and you know all these sterotypes brigand and stuff but that needs to be some sort of harmonious balanced backs economy. Otherwise i think it's just gonna be a continuing peres ation not just politically financially as well. A lot of serious challenges ahead for spain You know hasn't they're all for many countries in the world out is not a spiteful given the situation now say that with covid and it's kind of a shame isn't it because you know we had the two thousand eight christ says The situation spayed. Freddie dia and it seems like spain being managed to get itself back on its feet again and then this happens. Yeah i guess. It's kind of how now spain could deal with coverage a coming out with the other side of the covid crisis stronger or at least with the motivation to change things for the better. I think i do think the government we have the moment all the right people to fix it could be other combinations with other parties may be would they change the fundamental structural changes and probably. Don't think so you know. I'm quite proud of this government bottle so quite critic them because i want them to do well because i love him and i think it's a great country and i see its potential as an outsider. I think as you do too and it's you know you want you'll best you want the best for the people the country and destroy reforms On needed yeah Structural reforms are desperately needed. Yep i've been in place since the day while they were paul novel. Were put in place by franco. So you know only needed government which is really going to be and has the bulls sprinkly to not just go along the same road with a maintain state. Quiet structure homes are really the key to the future success of spain and i totally agree with what you said. It's kind of we both love this country and you want to see it thrive and do what i just think. In many ways eighteen underestimates itself underperforming or basically not fulfilling it potential on the on the global stage Yeah i mean. That's an important thing isn't it. it's like and it's not just potential economically and productively as well. it's is essential politically. Hopefully i'm on the potential of the country that gives the people of the country the benef- the ability to reach their full potential and be happy You know fulfilling lives and not have to worry about my contract on a finish tomorrow. i always from. Spain is a curious case. Study in that sense if you think about it because in so many ways you could argue that spain is going to spit bit. Slow to evolve. Slow to change is rooted in the past things. Move very slowly here than all the other hand It's in many ways and socially you could argue a incredibly progressive country. One of the most aggressive countries in grow in europe is well. It's kind of the outs with itself. Yeah and that's a big divide in law firms across the world doesn't mean you know you've got the progressive cities will If countryside but. I don't think that's always necessarily true. I think the country overall is a lot more progressive than is often depicted. I think it's a side of spain that You know Is often played down. Because i think People like the romanticism of of bullfighting. Benko and cbs. Doesn't top pass and family get togethers. Where an actual facts you know. It's a progressive full woods and can country in many aspects You know i know. A lot of Hung sex couples that moved to spain because the treatment oh the accepted in certain. I was just by no in all areas. Finally for for gay people is just a lot easier than they've got people starring at them in the street. When they're kissing all things. Absolutely i i think. Spain the first country in europe or one of the She lives same sex marriage. And i mean for a catholic country that still has pointed ribes. A is quite the contradiction but an interesting one. One that i hope so. I hope the soul of the traditions traditions kinda exist alongside being socially progressive and. I think that's something that spain has a positive compared to many other countries. And i think it's something that's you know. They've excelled really in lifestyle and and quality of life. And you know going of the highest quality longest life expectancies in the world. Like with with the dia- and you know it hasn't been taken by this sort of culture of mcdonald's and burger king lily. Absolutely i mean that's the key indicators and i think spain is has always set to overtake. Japan is a long lived a nation in the world. Now and you're right. I mean it quality of life. I think this is a emphasis on on the simple things. As an as in spain on not living to work but working to lebanon yellow thing. Which i certainly not since living in competitive uk. It's still how important the institution of the family families families. Very much intro to life in spain i about you in my opinion in the uk or maybe europe in general families become less Less important than where more independent in that sense family unit is not as strong as it once was whereas i think still is in spain i think may feed zoom the. There's a lot of social cohesion that there is insane something we've lost or leasing in uk. For example. the. And i hope they don't lose it in spain but you know i think without structural reforms that will actually go because Because i think his. I mean there is this sense of family but i think the the government I'm i think the guzman like basically rely on not false things And don't provide sentences because they all you know the family will provide it so saying But also You know which. In my opinion that. If nancy thing because with the coronavirus we saw that All these Nursing homes which will privately run in mainly madrid. This was a big thing address. These private iran nursing homes have huge despots. Nyami was going finding that buddies because these necessarily carrozza lecture net often dry body only pay just couldn't cope and the past of these other people and there's a lot of controversy and and say you know whether it was this because it's never conclusion about why these people diet dining these nothing The one thing that came out it was an it's sometimes experienced possession. They because of my family lives in spain is that it's very seen as like a stereotype about things you'll find nothing. So you're encouraged to look off deal. Founding member but the infrastructure of karen support from the government to look after someone at home. Isn't that in spain On it probably isn't there in several other countries in europe as well but you know that access to a social worker And to push through getting you subsidize. Carrots carriers expensive Isn't that nuts when people result to things like employees and people illegally or even legally You know these south. America women to live in their house monday to friday twenty four hours a day five days a week to help them no cost for an old lady now. They pay these. These people aren't paid very well. I mean they have rights and i heard the knob used have been stored by these But you know they still have infrastructure that is either you pay someone to live in your house. All you quit your job to look after someone all you put them into nursing by you. Know these three auctions. The ought to be an essentially an asian population. It's these they sort of structural reform that needs to change. And i've been certain stress of karen of someone with a chronic yona on these things and there was no help and the help came Offer was needed to put that in a polite way. And it was heartbreaking because it put so much pressure on me as a person and You know my personal life and that is likely structure real structural reform that is going to be opposed by you know certain areas but It would benefit everybody. I think i found see why and it stays sore structural reforms that would benefit families. And you know it's really got to get not sold necessary change through Yeah and you could always say tied into that. Looker in maternity leave not kind of thing which is still a competitive. European countries. Compared to the uk for example is problematic because it just isn't the same culture of Equality between men and women and sharing tentatively or indeed just having the same amount of time for maternity leave in spain. And i just think also going back to Companies and businesses again. It's just a maybe a cultural thing but there is a a real sort of distinct lack of flexibility in many many businesses accommodate situations. like when. Someone's very etel dying dies or when someone has children yet again. This is a struggle to reform. It needs to be to be looked at you know. I think it's these things that the people that that listeners. That don't live here acting. It's really has to not just live in. Bambi has to be plugged into society. A bit more like working spanish friends spanish family. An absolutely and i had a side of that. They also isn't often talked about an and english speaking media about spain. Because i exactly it's you know. More aimed at the sort of expertise as absolutely i kind of heated conversations with that ex-pats in spain for want of a better word rich living in spain on internet forums facebook groups. This kind of thing. And i i think in previous episodes the i published from picasso being accused of being a really negative about spain But you know. I think not being negative. Just being realistic about it. Because you're right. It's easy for people to spain from this kind of x. Viewpoint bubalo people to come and live retire in spain and living in the community Diagnosis huge of contact with moore different straw of spanish society different age groups spanish society. And think that it's just this kind of paradise easy to come and move here retire here. The weather's great. The is great my argument on many cases. Well okay have that conversation with a twenty five year olds. Spaniards on job is living at home with their parents until they said The level of unemployment the abusive wagon conditions the problems with content on this. They're not living. You're not living the same reality as your average spagna. Not not not fun as well. Doesn't it to the age to children. Women have children as well. And i mean this age population air as well And you know up the economy system. You can have kids at twenty three rather than thirty three and another. I think i think this isn't just a thankful experts or you know brits as well i think there is a level of in spanish society but refuses to accept these structural changes need it. Now i sold a an s. Was i met despite as i said the london. Most of my friends is financed. Because london is famously not be placed and spanish people are obviously very friendly and i got to a lot of them and they were lovely. People people that have been moved from that hides new abroad to do that job because that they got job in the country but they still had these. You know sunshine spectacles all net stainless great. Fun say i'm you know. It is a great country but they wouldn't admit they they would Talk about structural phones. And i think it's maybe it's something that that the I think some of our listeners. That maybe on anglo saxon culture and the section coach you. You're allowed to be critical of your own country And i think in spain and it's been like what you're saying about work it's like you have to be grateful for what you give them. An i think not solely stems back from. Maybe the you know the You know the soul of the franco era. People didn't criticize government. That wasn't a that. I mean that was a degree of freedom of speech that you want a been opening able to join a union. You can't even open you want Open the able to join up its policy. There wasn't any parties and this went on for forty years. And you know. This coach are all Of being critical of your country but whilst an allston actually saying keep with most of the country austin of the people that know that countries the most time And because you want the best for the country. I don't think that that is a part of that is i think that's like an obstacle for loss punch psyche. And i think the whole thing that would summarize this would be Soon as someone criticises. How spain's transition to democracy how You know how they never prosecute people on the frente tight ship But then that is coming in our think. Now and i think that's a good thing You know people don't criticize the people often size. What was the king's role. Actually was he was he was he. That dynamics join during the transition And i think that level of says it will be a good thing for the country. I think i mean if i had if i had a euro for every time i heard someone say okay i. It's okay i it it it. It is what it is what it is. I don't want to say the certainly not saying that. Spanish general apathetic degree of resignation. To certain things like well change is going to be difficult or Discount except a thing except maybe yeah and that was something that the fifteen movement backing in two thousand fifteen you know. that was a degree of. We won't change by then Will that will that so social movement or a full of it come up after the coronavirus crisis I think that depends on. You know what. We're talking about government governmental competence Will will they manage it an will. They change people's Material Reality enough or improve that that reality enough material surroundings and things enough for them. People not be disenfranchised. I'm and there's always going to be. People inside are unhappy. But you know we have to sell as Hope that they make enough changes to improve the lives of most people rather than just the few at the top grade. Acetate if you'd like to find out more about our mcguire. He has his own website. And you can head across to allen mcguire dot. Com is alan m. c. g. u. i r. e. allah mcguire dot com. He's got some great episodes on his podcast as well. You can find his sauber mess. A podcast available on all the usual podcast platforms in the same places. Way you would find this podcast. 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Donald Trump Jr.

The Sean Hannity Show

1:36:18 hr | 5 months ago

Donald Trump Jr.

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We'll probably check in with John Solomon were told that he just got the documents but you know he he just put out an article today, the State Department to release memos I think he just got them detailing illegal illegal social media monitoring of Americans. Memos to be released. Now, released under the freedom of Information Act a show, an effort to monitor the Social Media Fox News personalities, Hannity Ingram, Dobbs as well as president trump's son Donald Junior. It also includes John Salomon it also includes Tom Fenton it also includes Rudy Giuliani and other private citizens or other people the in the press like myself. Yes. A member of the press whether they like it or not where. The whole newspaper they say, their objective I, we don't claim such, but we do straight news investigative reporting opinion and sports and everything else. They say they're fair and balanced. I'm from a conservative judicial watch by the way just released this their headline is Judicial Watch State Department record show US embassy in Ukraine monitored. Sean. Hannity Laura Ingram Donald trump junior rudy Giuliani journalists and other US citizens and violation of federal law. Wow. By the way Linda what would we call that a typical day around here now at this point is unbelievable. Affairs, that's every single day. It's either the mob in the media wants the just come out with outright lies about me. I don't look it's not hard and it's not just me I want to be very clear here. It's everybody on the list and anybody that's not like by either the deep state those that abused power and corrupt they. They don't particularly like, US. Chuck Schumer, famously warned you go after the intelligence community or those high ranking members or you know people the Doj they'll get you. Six ways and Sunday. But we've seen a lot has happened I. don't talk about it because I think this programs not really about or supposed to be about me. But because of what we do in what we report, I then therefore become a target and it's gone on now for many many years in ways that I began to explain it to you I don't think you buy it. I mean, they are spending literally hundreds of millions of dollars over the years to monitor every word, every phrase, every sentence, every comma, every period, any prominent conservative in this country others in the hopes of you know getting that one thing that they can then use as you know to bludgeon you to boycott you all in an effort to silence you and get rid of you. You know. So this is basically par for the course we've been told many times that illegal activities against yours truly have happened I mean it's resulted in I don't have control of my social media accounts haven't in forever I don't have email haven't in forever. And it just as just a general state of affairs. You know I guess it wasn't the most pleasant thing. You know having forty five pages of Andrew Weissmann. Pit Bull staff considering I guess he was in charge of the Muller witch-hunt asking questions. About Yours truly. That's all in the public domain talk a lot about it. No, but it happened Then of course we have on top of that my personal private text messages just released I thought we believe them privacy is nobody in the media that's ever said you know what? What you doing Hannity you can do to us and we don't want it done to us and it shouldn't be done anybody that some members of the media. whether I agree with them or don't agree with them No. Not a single person and you wonder why call them a mob and I say that we're in an information crisis. It is. Now it's only going to get worse. You. Know I don't really give a flying you-know-what I don't Care Linda true or not I don't care. It does suck I. Have to explain some of this crap to my kids. The best part is is I've never brought my kids into my my world i. Stay out of it I don't go home and I'm not talking about politics there anything there annoy they're asking me about it all the time. Well, dad what's happening here what's this? What's this and I'm like, all right you WANNA know you're asking I'll tell you but that's not that's not the nature of our relationship. What were you say? No I mean, what you're saying is very true and you unfortunately your kids are of an age now where they can read it on their own, but it's just this has become our normal. I'm not, and by the way I'm not crying poverty here but there's a reason you hear that have all these attorneys Oh yeah we've got attorneys. We've got the best attorneys and stay tuned on some things. There's some some stuff going on. That's very interesting that were that really need to be done. And This is Ben now a long enough bill. There's only so much of this crap. I'm going to take and frankly others but you know I'm not nickel sandman Nicholas Salmon's a private citizen Nicholas Salmon's going to be a billionaire. He just is because what they did to him if you're a public figure, you know the Bar Times v Sullivan which I still think is bad law in so many different ways ill conceived and design. You just pretty much. They can say anything they want about you. But you know what that standard seems to be changing and we're paying very close attention. There's a Sarah Palin, a case going forward against the New York Times a lot of things are beginning to change, but the day in time, for example, I love what Great Britain has. Loser pays you want to sue somebody and you lose you pay for their, you pay the cost of what it took for them to defend themselves. Why not you know tort reform in Texas has gone a long way to helping you know the law in Texas there's certain things we can do but anyway I don't WanNa make it about me I'll ask we'll John Solomon will join us later, but you know it's just to be honest. It's like an average day in my life at this point and it's not just me it's markets rush. It's all the People's names I mentioned it's just as a normal day. But you know. I wouldn't do this to them. Period end of Sun supported either. That's the sad part. They've look what they've done to this country look at the lying and dishonesty that has gone on for the entire time since Donald Trump's come down an escalator and really the hatred and contempt it's not just for trump or those that publicly support him. That have you know a big enough you know microphone that actually mean something what we say at least their minds, I guess if I was all that powerful Barack, Obama and Joe never would have been elected in other words we wouldn't have had thirteen million more Americans on food stamps eight, million more in poverty. anyway a lot of news to get to. The way in Portland Biden supporting anarchists, they seem to like the liberals more. Don't they tried to burn down an occupied building you know, why do I say it's a preview of coming attractions? Well, the police become the enemy and of course, will reallocate funds and Kamala Harris out there. You know she's the one that support defunding the L. A. P. D. and she said Sunday the more emphasis needs to be placed on accountability and consequences for officers. What about the thirty officers killed this year? Do we ever think about them? Do, we ever think how have wide Joe and Barack allowed the carnage for eight years to go on and offer no assistance. No solutions for Chicago Obama's hometown. You know reforming the police reimagining the police what we're GONNA send in social workers on arm to deal with you know violent criminals are crazy people because that's what she's talking about. You know it's about giving the Department of Justice Subpoena Power to Vesta Gate Systemic police misconduct, she is saying conditioning bedroll funds for police departments on adoption of her new standards What does that mean? You can't use non lethal force? Now. You GotTa get rid of the the the people that are bad cops the one percent. Like I think, ninety nine percent of FBI guys are heroes and they ninety nine percent of the guys in the intelligence community the put their ass on the line for us every day heroes to these you know these are not easy jobs. By the way Joe needed a break gave a twenty four minute speech in Pittsburgh yesterday. So exhausted, he decided to take the day off in his basement bunker and he wouldn't take a single question. He's taken less than fifty questions since March, it's pathetic the mob course they're complicit. Emerson College shows that President Trump's lead. President trump bleeding biden in two key categories of voters statistical tie with voters overall. And, the only a two point gap at this point, forty, nine, forty, seven voters planning to vote early impersonal breaking for trump and those the plan to vote in person on election day really going for trump. Now, the latest Talking Point Conspiracy Theories Donald Trump will win big on election day but when all the other votes get counted it that really will be Biden. Okay. Good luck with that. There was a huge expose the New York Post with Democrat literally confessions of voter fraud. I was a master at fixing mail in ballots well, top Democrat operative gone on the record and now saying voter. Fraud especially mail-in ballots as fraud is no myth and he knows because he's been doing it on a grand scale for decades and it goes into chapter and he goes into bursts exactly how we do it and election that is swayed by five hundred votes at thousand votes. It can make all the difference it could be enough to flip states the whistle blowers identity. By the way, they should be brought to Washington long history working as a consultant various campaigns Oh and by he monitored by the way mentor to Least Twenty operatives in New Jersey New York Pennsylvania, which is, of course, a critical swing state. and New Jersey and other states the president by the way To the Hill Harris Poll. Has Now seen a tripling of his support among minority voters more specifically African American voters. Remember back in two thousand, sixteen got eight percent of the african-american boat right now, he's at twenty four percent that is not an outlier that John be was two and a half percent greater at twenty percent you have one for example, a key voting bloc has moved moved into the Biden camp. After you know, we now see people returning to Donald Trump on the issue of law and order suburban voters after four days of law and. Order Messaging from the Republican Party fight not a fourteen point lead. Now, it's down to six and I would say, even Michael Moore I, know a lot of things about Michael Moore debated them I've interviewed him. It's been a total shift show with this guy is just ridiculous but he's not stupid and one thing that he saying Democrats better wake up because trump is gaining on biden and this is on the candidate not Russia he's getting it. Emerson's poll trump gets a convention bump among African Americans. There's as well The president's approval rating is the highest point ever according to you gov. and their poll that is out new. Jersey by the way is becoming the most hated state more people now might be leaving New Jersey than even New York and California at this point. Now, why do you think that is it's not hard to predict. Right let me tell you what the article says zero hedge they have a new. Tax. On. Millionaires a twenty two, point, five, percent gas tax hike I mean that's that's insane and by the way the total increase in four years two, hundred and fifty percent now attack on high frequency trading is become obvious that the democratic leadership they're pushing people out there leaving New York over five hundred thousand alone estimated to have left New York City unbelievable. Hey, you know what? I Hate I hate overpaying for something. Now we're already taxed to death and we're paying high rates. For Home Internet cable utilities. Then of course, there's your cell phone bill. 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It is there's a part of this that is so sad but it say defining moment is why say it's live free or die? The stated policies of Biden Kamla Harris. C. You know pledging trillions for the new green deal. My plan goes beyond that. You know he just outright lies about fracking. Lies we have what he said yesterday we have what he said during the campaign. Let's play him back to back. I'm not banning fracking. Let me say that again. I'm not banning fracking no more. No, no fracking any place for fossil fuels, including coal and fracking in Abidin Administration. Though we we work it out. We would make sure it's eliminated more subsidies for either one of those. Okay. Yeah. Excuse me you're banning fracking and Sodas Kamala supports it and you sign the stupid Bernie. Abidin Manifesto and we've gone over that in in detail on this program and on Hannity on the TV show. So he got the polls now tightening you got the the unrest and liberal cities they're late to the game, Don? Lemon. So now they this is bad all this writing and all. This violence that we've denied is happening and the Democrats tonight is happening jerrold. Nadler said of myth and Biden not a word of support. We have thirty dead officers, thousands injured. You know in the police become the enemy and Carmello great job mayor Garcetti for defunding the LAPD in defunding police, they've been run by Liberal Democrats for decades. So what I say it's a preview of coming attractions. Not, only that the mob won't talk about it. Everybody. I, know talks about it everywhere I go people ask me about it. People don't think Joe Biden has the mental strength acuity alertness at and stamina to do this job. Hey, you've heard me talking about building homes for heroes and how much support this great organization. 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And I can analyze it to death and I can think myself into an assane asylum if I really had had the capacity for that, I, just don't but think about it. Logically, the Donald Trump has he lost. Any. Voters from two thousand sixteen. I don't think many if any at all I don't. If anything I would say after the horrific despicable repulsive treatment, he's received over four years Donna, and and of course. When they talk about trump or any conservative? That's prominent. They really hate you we the people because we're the, we're the SMELLY Walmart shoppers that support trump where the irredeemable deplorables the fifteen percent as Biden says the people that cling to God, our Constitution, our Second Amendment Rights, our God in our religion those are the ones that they hit us. You know for daring to want to be better people everybody misunderstands the God part. What is what is the Christian part? What does it mean? It says yeah I suck I need help I want to be a better person. And I'm striving to be a better person. Oh what a horrible thing. I mean people's perception of of people that are religious. You know they just they WANNA be they're better self it's and they're admitting they're not. That's the whole point. And it's amazing how people and I guess some people you know they, they create these images of. People. You know you got the bad preachers. You got the bad this you got the bad. He's nobody's. But they seem to relish in it as though it's a bad thing that people want to and desire to be better. which is to me you know what does the word repentance me? Not You want to change your heart you WanNa, be a better person. And that's all it is. Anyway, even Piers Morgan. Saint. tone-deaf Democrats are headed for another election disaster disaster if they don't stand up to the violence on the streets. It. Appears I love you but that ship has sailed they didn't do it this this phony last minute sixty, three day conversion is just the same crap. Fifty Years of lying what is what is Joe? Biden ever done to make the lives of the American people better. Why didn't he speak out early and often why didn't comal speak out early and often why didn't they speak out on Corona? Why didn't they speak out on the violence in the rioting and the looting and the vandalism and the arson, and they not only they just sat there in denial and told us that it wasn't happening the mob in the media. You know it's It's sad. And I'd like to know where the money's coming from behind some of these groups at some point and I know that the attorney general has been looking into that and moving forward with with his investigation But you know now they're actually pre partying and parking lots before their big shows of destruction Mike Tobin, at Fox News is reporting. In Oh you've got literally the president is in Kenosha right now and he's holding a a joint presser with with people on how to stop the violence. Now, he was able to stop it. He was able to end it. Kenosha police say outside agitators have been accounting for the most of the arrests that have taken place in that city Scott Walker was right saying the president absolutely should visit Kenosha. Despite the Gov- democratic governor Evers of objections what a Governor Evers do he at least I gotta give him some credit. They were smart enough to at least bring in. The National Guard because they were able to restore order as a result unlike Portland unlike. Seattle unlike Chicago unlike New York unlike Los Angeles and other cities, the Kenosha major said the national. Guard has been extremely helpful and he said that on fake news CNN stated they've been extremely helpful and keeping order in the city. Well, that's the first job of anybody in government, and that's why it matters that. In fact that why is this always happening in these these cities and states run by Liberal Democrats for decades? That's why I say it's a preview of coming attractions and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is America. In Oh. So the president is like okay if you let me send in the guard, you have to ask for it. You have to ask for now the president also said look after he saw what happened to Ran Paula was on this program yesterday after he witnessed what happened elsewhere with other people is they will leave in the South Lawn of the White House on the final night of the RNC convention and people literally being confronted by these angry anarchists on the streets. he's actually had to think about invoking the insurrection act of eighteen o seven. He's been trying desperately not to do so but he's been begging these big city mayors and governors to allow him to go in and help them restore order. He goes to protect federal buildings in Portland and you know you would think he did the worst thing in the world. But they were GONNA burn these buildings down. They've been trying to burn these buildings down. It's just pathetic. You know, and then you got the fake new sycophants on fake news CNN and MS DNC oh, trump can't went on his record he has to instigate conflict. The same fate. Do CNN that was denying it was happening I showed this video last night literally. The place up in flames. It's mostly been peaceful protest few except for a few isolated incidents. President Rightly said in his interview with with Laura Ingram. I do not want my supporters confronting the protesters I would give you the same vice. Protect Yourself. Protect your family left professional law enforcement to their job. But unfortunately, in a lot of these liberal cities, they can't do that either. You know the President you know is being clear Dow. Been, you know hiding in the basement bunker you know just like, what was it three months and two days after maybe the trouble boone was a good idea. Okay. Hundreds of thousands of other Americans would have contracted the virus in how many thousands of Americans would have died if this idiot was president. And yet you get lectures from Democrats these technology, it's the worst pandemic one hundred years. You know you have a fatal shooting of an African American in La by sheriff's duties out there sparking more protests and questions out there. In I urge people in these cases, you know to let our justice system. Work it's do its job. We have to be a nation of laws. You know one of the problems is everybody including Biden and Obama. They rushed to judgment in Ferguson how was it that we were one of the few programs that actually called that right from the beginning because I. Actually did investigative work and I'm actually made contacts and I made phone calls and there were people in Bergesen in high places of power that would tell me there I witnesses that will corroborate. Darren Wilson's claims African Americans many of them in the community that were witnesses to the events of that day. And all the they create this expectation of a certain outcome and verdict member hands up don't shoot never happened. Nobody doesn't mean he's a bad guy just because he went in and bullied this poor owner of o or manager of a convenience store. I mean, you can't even work in a convenience store without risking losing your life. To fortunate working at a convenience store. It's it's been pretty unbelievable. You know the times we're living in here. You know it's and it's all preventable. You know now progressives are. Now. They want mayor Ted Wheeler out and the police chief out. After the deadly shooting that occurred in the city over this past weekend, what we have ten more dead what sixty shot in in Chicago this past weekend. Portland police declaring a riot after the protesters marched on Mayor Wheelers residents burning. Debris thrown into the mayor's building Eliza I. Guess a residential Condo Tower of some kind. Oregon sheriff's well, they were they just outright rejected governor. CAPE. Brown's request to staff the Portland protests. That's what the National Guard is for good for them. I think it's CLACKAMAS. County Sheriff Craig Roberts is his name. He said the governor never approached him about before unveiling her plan to mobilize local law enforcement agencies and he flat out said that. He's not participants and he's not gonNA send. Staff. And then he went on to say had the governor discussed the plan with my office I would have told her it's about changing policy not about adding resources. He said, yeah the other words you gotTa let the police use the nonlethal. Training that they've had which is pepper spray and dispersing crowds with tear gas when they finally do that then divinely works not. It's not brain surgery here. He said, she asked he would have told her he said the Portland's newly elected da had dismissed charges against hundreds of protesters arrested for non violent crimes in other words it's like New, York Nobel laws. So in other words, police, they arrest these guys one night and have to arrest them again later in the same evening or the next day. So there arrested night after night only to be released by the court not charged with a crime by the DA, what's the point of putting law enforcement in harm's way? By the way NYPD adding new guidelines for disciplining officers didn't know cop in New York City that's going to ever want to do their job probably they normally turn left where the trouble is up see daisy they're going to start turning right and doing u-turns and getting the hell out of there because they know they're not going to be supported. Conrad de Blasio like New Jersey calls that you know he's GonNa tax the wealthy even more. The rich are fleeing New York City, and let me Tell You New York state as well. Just like New Jersey Illinois and California. And just don't take your liberal policies wherever you go. DC Mayor's pleading with the US attorney to ramp prosecutions of violent protesters I mean there's no bail madness that's part of Bernie and Joe Biden's manifesto. Almost five million first time gun owner since January in this country. I have people asking me every day. You Hannity you. I've known that you've been a you know you been using a firearm since trained in the use of a firearm. Sincere kid what's your advice? Everyone always asked the wrong question by the way what do you think I should get what do you think an ar this I'm like okay. Slow down. You know most people I. I would say I have nonlethal weapons that are perfectly legal that I bought I. that's my first option. My first option is not to kill anybody if somebody god-forbid broke into my house probably the best thing that any family would have is a shotgun. But before you get any gun, you go down to arrange and you take a lesson one thing I can tell you about gun owners and gun professionals as they are more than eager to teach you gun safety, learn the safety and use and storage of your firearm. Before you buy it, they'll teach you and it won't cost you a lot of money to take a class. Sometimes, you take classic cost next to nothing if you buy the gun at that particular place. You. Know it's it's not that's my advice. A gun is not a toy but if you WANNA get one for to defend yourself. Learn, learn the safety of firearms. I. You know Tom. Cotton. Is Back to bill to halt unemployment benefits to the writers I mean you know look at this in Portland you have a six hundred, fifty percent increase in murder Seattle you know the first eight months total almost are passing all of two thousand nineteen just like New York City all these democratic run cities and states you know the murder rate in New York and the tour seventy seven percent increase in one month alone in. New York City these cities are disintegrating before our very eyes. And there letting it happen. I mean, it's sad to watch this. You know in calm. and. Joe, the late to the game, not even in this. I, look like a radical socialist with a soft spot for writers. Well. What are you Joel? 'cause you're the most radical candidate ever of a mainstream party in the country's history. Young lying the president didn't condemn violence. That's another lie. Just like he said Oh I won't ban fracking. You did say you were going to ban fracking. You. Know trump is allies challenge. You know it's all talk from Biden. It's fifty years of talk. Is. Not Banning fracking but he was banning fracking. That's all he's done. Is Talk about it? You know look at this on Chicago Chicago gangs of formed a pact to execute cops who draw weapons on suspects. Portland police finally used smoke grenades and pepper balls oh Jeez working. yet a man bashed in the back of the head with bricks falling face first on the sidewalk. That's all on video will show you tonight a sixty six year old viciously beaten with a bottle in a random attack caught on New York. City surveillance will show you that tonight the National Guard has been helpful Kenosha mayor says, Ken Buck is calling for congressional hearings who's funding a lot of these radical groups moving from city to city. Progressives demanding Portland's mayor and police chief resigned I. Love that one. Weekend gun violence pushed Philadelphia over three hundred homicides so far in twenty twenty more killings this year than all of two, thousand, sixteen, Fifteen, fourteen, and thirteen combined. You know over what? Nearly sixty shot in Chicago ten killed in Chicago this weekend five dead in New York City this weekend. Thirty cops dead so far this year and and thousands injured how's that liberal these liberal policies and the police become the enemy working At qualcomm, we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five G. is helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering Mobile PC's the invention ages here learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age civil with a political party that wants to destroy. What you stand for what you care about that's why I believe if we are for sure enough to win back the House and the Senate, that's when civility can start again if you had to be stuck in an elevator with either President Trump Mike pence or jeff sessions, who would it be? Does one of us after come out alive. Yes I'm angry. Yes I am outraged. Yes. I. Have Thought an awful lot about up the White House. I'm. Moving the juicy anybody that cabinet. Donald. Trump is a guy who you understand. It hurts you in my testosterone sometimes makes me WANNA. Feel like punching him. which would be bad for this elderly out of shape man that he did that. So when he was elected what I wrote on twitter was we should impose martial law till we make sure that the Russians were involved in the final tally of the vote and people were like martial law. What's wrong with to your lunatic you? In the military to the border. So I want to send the military to the White House to get him You know I had a dream the other night about. That I was playing golf with Donald Trump and I was standing beside him with the club in my hand. I was. Considering my options when I suddenly woke up, you know was one of those dreams when you wanted to get back to sleep, you can finish it. You know what? Mr Burgess up against Sean. Hannity term up I need to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether independent or whether they are Republican I want you to argue with them and give the face always asked me I wish our debating him. No, I wish you were in high school. I could take behind the gym. What we've gotTA, do is fight in Congress fight in the courts fight in the streets ordinary people who simply saw what needed to be done and came together and supported those ideals who've made the difference they marched they bled. Yes. Some of them have died. This is hard. Every good thing is we have done this before we can do this again I'm confirmed the. Go Strike. In fact, the only thing your mouth is good for is being Vladimir Putin's holster. Along there's going to be our saving grace, you know when he's about to nuke Finland yourself something. She's going to walk into the bedroom and you know Yeah Daddy. Daddy. He's a punk is a dog he's a pig, he's a con. Artist Mutt is an idiot talk how he wants to punch people in the face. Well. I'd like to punch him in the face. It. In that orderly and former way and lawful way we need to overthrow the government of the United States Donald Trump. Says when they go low you. Go Low we ran. When they go low. We go hi. Yeah. Right. Now we'RE GONNA kick them down. Have we forgotten the crazy insane nutty vitriol? I don't think. So we haven't on this program and the mob and the media. Same thing anyway here to weigh in on all of this. I mean I keep going through won't go through all the statistics and numbers and and issues involving violence around the country that you know I, of course, the mob and the media and the Democrats all but ignore act like it's not happening. There's such blatant. I've never seen such hypocrisy obstruction matters but not hillary subpoenaed emails, Russia matters, but not Hillary's bought and paid for dirty Russian dossier with Russian disinformation quid pro quos matter but not Joe Biden quit pro ing a billion taxpayer dollars. You got six hours to re to get rid of the prosecutor investigating my zero experience unpaid millions all the talk about corona virus. They were against the travel ban. The subsequent travel bans the quarantine and did nothing because they were too busy trying to impeach Donald Trump over the Ukrainian hoax there's you know using the the dirty dossier to spy on a presidential candidate transition team president. Now with violence, it's all it's not happening one hundred days still not happening. Where did you see is a myth? It's not true de-fund. The police I mean it goes on and on from there police become the enemy unbelievable madness the one thing these cities all having common Liberal Democrats have run them for decades Leo Terell Civil, rights attorney. Talk Show host at the Leo Terell Twitter Sergeant Dmitri Penny is with US twenty year vet of Dallas Police Force President of the Dallas Texas National Fallen Officers Foundation. Now he's running for the thirtieth Congressional district in Texas. Welcome both you back to the program You got violence you got mayhem. You've had I the Nihil then there was reluctant resistance, which is so mysterious to me Leo Terell to acknowledge it but then they acknowledge it and then they blamed trump who was able to stop it in Minneapolis Stop it in D. C. Stop it in Kenosha because finally the. People wise and up and they called in the National Guard, which people have to do, and they're not doing all these other liberal cities Sean. If you listed all the if everyone listened to the entire montage of what you play about how the Democrats are crying screaming about Donald Trump, you would expect this guy to have been drummed out of office they can't do it and he would have. Absolutely vero chance of winning this election sean the Democrats are afraid right now notwithstanding everyday you played could you imagine he was impeached by these guys he's going to win this election and I'll tell you right now the American public gets it. They know the Democrats are lying and I'll tell you right now the biggest lot when you look at everything is going on, you forgot one of. Aspect and you play the major part in this when you kept throwing the names of all those kids who were killed in Chicago. Nobles. Democratic City I did that during Biden on Obama's term Leo I know I know but in Chicago would happen to the black on black crimes. We look at what was going on and we were talking about those kids who were killed. The people were killed. During this year this year, I'm referring to the American Public Gifty, the idea that all this chaos and all these Democrats city areas going on right now they know that the Democrats are at fault. They know the key to this surviving is American institution right now is to keep Donald Trump is in office, and that's why they're trying to lie now that trump is responsible. What that Portland Mayor Did a couple of days ago we held that ridiculous conference. He was talking to himself because antiques plan black lives matter they hate him and the city doesn't get along with him and he's trying to blame trump and they woke up with a bonfire last night. The bottom line is Donald. Trump is going to win this election and the Democrats going to be out again, combining for another four years. Sergeant your take on all of this. You're absolutely right. You. You you. You find very few opportunities to to agree with Leo to Real, and that's my man. But. The bottom line is look this. This is that is right. I mean we. Look I just saw poll along the way eight in ten. Americans. Say That we're we're divided as a nation. You're right when you got you got the these these liberals on the left that a youth this radicalized audiology to divide us as a nation. Of course, we're going to be, of course, that's GonNa be the the. or every time you turn on the news, they're gonNA, continue to talk about that and look at what's happening in Portland I think if if anyone has a complaint about anything that happens in Portland, there should be the readiness that lived there. These people are being run out of their own city by mom. Mom, I mean. You're. GonNa have shootings, industries you're can have people being attacked business can't operate under that. Another type of pressure and law enforcement officers can't even do their job. So I shall we gotta come up with a solution. We gotta get back and control over the system that has that has been turned upside down. Let me tell you some. Sergeant Sixty three days before an election only because as don lemon says, well, the Poles are. Now this is this this lack of safety insecurity in law and order showing up in the polls and focus groups. So. Let's let's let's have an election year conversion and all of a sudden we're going to act like we didn't say all of those things about defunding the police and praising as Comma did the LAPD cuts or Joe saying police become the enemy and of course, he'd reallocate funds away from police absolutely look at the impact. We just saw a fifty percent increase in crime and in New York you there in New York, look at what's happening you know the these office can't they can't contend with. Any of that nobody can there's there's not enough police officers on the resources available to deal with the levels of crime that are happening in these and at a certain point the United States had the whole is GonNa have to wake up we're not gonNA be manipulated coming less time look after the election is over everything will go back to normal. It's all being. So by the by the Democrat Party, right that's the reality. But the bottom line is until we come up with a way to do. These negative narrative that are sowing division in this country until we effectively do that, we're going to deal with the same type of vitriol every cycle every re election cycle you're gonNA continue with over and over again, and it's unfortunate because the people going to be the one of their Self Leo you know I gotTa tell you this is not a party that is protecting people and. You know with all the talk about the polls and you know look at the Emerson Paul. Trump is now edging into the lead over Joe Biden We saw the same thing. We see his poll numbers with African Americans two and a half times. What he had in terms of African American vote in twenty sixteen. If those poll holds he is tripled his African American support post-convention just looking at a bunch of different polls the more recent one, the Hill Harris Poll shows twenty four percent of registered black voters in the survey said they approve of Donald Trump Sr job as president he only one eight percent of the black vote in two. Thousand Sixteen Leo that is an earthquake seismic shift in police. Just record you know I'm black and I'll tell you right now I didn't Ringo handily I single Hanley lead the charge from Idaho and look at us. You know what you're my brother and that's all I left that Dmitry. He doesn't want to admit that we're brothers. I. Mean he can't go that far with Leo two point. Sean you thought you were my brother I. Don't I'm not look in the Dan. We're we're. We're all brother. About those numbers your. Seat people don't get it black men and black women are voting for Trump Sean Bet RNC convention was real and sincere, and it draw the democratic crazy when they brought out the MS TNC come host was saying it was a minstrel show? Leo Oh, I was furious this weekend and those they were upset that was your way to show their anger because those were a heart warming story in American sought and they believed it and what's happening that democratic plantation is been destroyed because trump's GONNA get back. I gotTA break wasn't Glorious Nation under God one United People that's what we should be. That's what we can be. That's a that's becoming the more perfect union and jobs by the way and record low jaw a record low unemployment that president trump set barack joe never did it. Pay Its buck sexton. Here we are in the height of an election season that will determine the future of the country who are you going to listen to? Who can you trust join me in the freedom hot the one place where you know you'll get the straight story from a conservative perspective, Joe Biden somebody who's been a machine politician the Democrat Party from Delaware for longer than I've been alive and nobody thought he was impressive. No one. Thought he had great leadership until about five minutes ago, they're trying to fool you. They're trying to pull off a con of fraud against America and Joe Biden is the conman in cheek, the big names and the heaviest hitters in politics trust make show. We've done a lot buck and we have some great support. Your viewpoint is very important to me very, very important. That's how we got to know each other fuck sexton formerly of the CIA. Alabama sexton show iheartradio is number one for podcasts and it's easy to see why listen the buck sexton show on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcast And as we continue Leo Terell Sergeant Dmitry Penny is with us We were just talking about all these poll numbers that now show a three fold increase in terms of African American support for the President I look at it as I don't think it's any one thing Leo and this is what we I didn't mean to cut you off I. Look at as okay. More money for the longest commitment longest period of time for historically black colleges criminal justice. Reform police reform record low after record low on employment opportunities zones, and you know what words are cheap. Leo Don't with Joe Biden's been throwing out words and promises for fifty years but he can't escape the past of supporting the guy, the Filibuster, the Civil Rights Act of sixty four was against the voting rights act and the guy that Joe Biden partnered with to stop integration of our schools because they didn't want his kids going to schools that were racial jungles. Sean. You just pointed out the conference of the president in three and a half short years. Joe Biden put black people in jail nineteen, Ninety four with the Crime Bill Kamala Harris Ignore Federal Court orders and kept blacks in use them as cheap labor in prison these two individuals or anti-black when it comes to progress and Legislation Donald Trump don't talk he does the walk and he completed and I'll tell you those stories about Alice Johnston at that press conference at the ROTC what Herschel Walker said John Those bad press RNC Convention destroy the myth that the Republican Party's anti-black. The Republican Party is pro black. The Republican Party is simply pro America Enmasse why trump is GONNA win he's getting. Leah and quick I can I can I? Can I tell you what we got you guys on the other side. All right stay right there and what we're also going to do a Sergeant Penny respond when we get back in the Mola. Let you call in your calls comments questions for Leo and Sergeant Dmitri. Penny eight hundred nine four, one, Sean is a number don't forget live free or Die America the world on the brink forty percent off Amazon dot com bookstores. Everywhere. COSCO's Walmart's target's books million Barnes and noble and all that good discounts right now, which is great because this is the information you need to share with friends and family before they vote all coming up eight, hundred, nine, four, one sean straight ahead as we continue, I live free or Die America the world on the brink and it's just sixty three days until you're ultimate jury forty percent off if you haven't gotten your copy Amazon Dot com, it's a bookstores everywhere. I want to go and I want you to listen specifically. To a black lives. Matter you know protesters and what they're saying in Portland and what they set in our nation's capital just this weekend then get to your calls for Leo and Sergeant Penny. Wait where. Up. To the senators. I WANNA. Take it to the conference. I want to take the fight. At the end of the Here We. Burn them. Only. Seen. Meeting. Off. Tonight. Don't give a rip that a fascist Blah. Blah. Blah died tonight. In. A bus police heads open I did it here there I'll do it everywhere. Anyway we continue we'll get to your calls in a minute here Leo Terell At v Leo Terell on Twitter Sergeant demetre. Dmitri Penny is with US Sergeant Penny we left it off with you. Well, that's your profession those who your Collie Gun. Absolutely absolutely, and it's sickening the here but I can tell you most of those clowns that's on stage doing that most of those clouds are just doubt around with the crowd they don't actually get out there and get on the front lines and do nothing this week they don't do that. The reality is, Oh, they're going to do gas everybody up in the community out there and they're going to attack the police and the police oversaw the police are going to respond and and those guys can be nowhere in sight. That's reality what really happened I want people thought being smart this we've got to stop playing games with people I say this all the time because the reality is people want to leave they wanna live comfortable lives but ain't nobody going out there to get themselves hurt or to get themselves q now you've seen all these radical protests that have. Happened, and now you see the news clips of people with they is shot compel the ball people that let's say they got problem from the May. Well, guess what you radicalized protest before you went there they knew what it was. So we can't either I don't even like entertaining that nonsense because all they're doing is putting a a blackout on themselves. Look officers. It's unfortunate that they have to deal with it, but people are finding out and we and we see right now today these leading murder rates continue to go up people are finding out that they need they police. You cannot operate in this in this society without they and people realize that now. So we can't we. We're not playing games with this anymore law enforcement as a whole guys or the rundown there beat up but you know what they still they still do their job every day they go to work ready to defend this country because that's what they were. That's what they were trained to do. This is a mentality that not everybody can have not especially not people in Congress is unfortunate that you have these losers that don't understand what police officers deal with from from the state level and federal level they don't understand. When people start even talk about minimizing resources to. When they start talking about defunding. Holy. Don't know voting for themselves because the reality is when it pops out, you want the police show and when the other way I always asked this question, what are you GonNa do what are you going to do when somebody breaks into your house and wants to bring harm to you and your children or grandma or GRANDPA now with all due respect sergeant I know what I'm GonNa do my first the first thing I'm GonNa do is not reach for my phone and I will protect the people of my life that I love I will protect my family. And I will. I I'm capable of doing that and more you'd better how does the average person to do people that don't like listen to have a firearm? Necessarily there's new nonlethal. There are I've died if I promote them again, they're going to kill me because I'm just a customer I purchased Nonlethal That are extraordinarily effective and that would be my first line of Defense to be honest if I could use that but I have the other also available. Well, I'll tell you sean amazing. What what what's amazing is that all these celebrities and politicians were talking about the funding please Oh, they believe in the Second Amendment, they're well armed they have private security council president of La. She had a twenty four seven police protection, but she wants to find the police. So they wanted to fund the police for the average American citizen. But they love the Second Amendment they're heavily armed guard insecure. That's the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party I. Let's get to our phones for Leo Sergeant Penny We'll start with big time. I Made Jay Houston Texas what's going on Baby Aj, how are you Paris? Hannity FAMILY'S GROWN DOWN IN HOUSTON. Aj. Got A lot of family and it's growing getting bigger. Headed to Houston a hang, you come on we wait known your big daddy we wait known you. What's going on hey? Hey Hey. I WANNA say hello to the great guests at Lille. Welcome to the family that they welcome to the family. Got A mighty God. Almighty. Hey. By the way, I can't. I can't not jump in. Hey big time. With God obviously. All Things are possible Leo two point. Oh, go. Through prayer and fasting look at what has happened to Leo. Is. Good John God is good. Thanks. Hey Hey, he he bring the right when you got this calmest make up God with God you the right way come on time Leo remain. All right. Big Time Aging. Right, real quick. Hey Idiots now you know black man they they call me a white man on the radio. They say a white man acting black on the Joe pags show and everything they called me a white guy. They really say that I mean, no black folks do not think the way that guy talking black folks the real black folks we we wanna work take our families. We ain't got Tampa all that Hokey joke what they doing. Time. Time, listen to me big time. I I. Don't like this divide anything anymore we're supposed to be. I believe were all created by one God. I think we all agree with that right? The same God. Right was supposed to be one one glorious nation under God and say the Word God one United American family we all have the same interests. Don't we all want save schools a nice neighborhood we want. To the. Place we can raise our kids and work hard and our hard work pays off and we have a decent car and a decent house and. Take a vacation when the kids are sick suffer through Disney as a parent, but the kids love it. And we all want the same. Big Time I WANNA I wanna say this to you you you from Houston from his home. Oh Baby. All. Over there and play. We were talking about policy and so we start talking about comedy and the interest to improve community is is we're GonNa continue to happen status quo. So that's why I'm coming in here the five inches other people. I hope you tell everybody about me down there now. Oh Oh definitely and you know we got Sheila Jackson Lille down here in Ohio district I know. and. They keep going. Keep telling them don't keep putting these people in office people they don't mean you know. And they say at the same time that I call the CAMELIA I call it. What is this going to riot after the? Election. What That's not no way and people together. That's no and the Democrat. Convention did the same thing they'd be Biden's it and I love trump convention. Oh God and he's in Kenosha right now and watch what the media tried to do in Mexico there that idiot mayor don't want. It's all democrats state it ain't happening you. Can States Black folks this the message and I'm let you all go big guys black folks, White folks all folks all got people. Do not let he's liberals divide us any more than we already is November third. Let's put trump back in there. Let's rebuild our city and let's make America great again like it was before the Chinese hit that fire it's on us with the Democrats Hill. I'm sorry it is what it is A. Right. Big Time. Aj. We love you. Thank you make and let's get. Let's get back to our busy phones Steve. Connecticut. With Leo Terell Sergeant. Matrix Penny what's going on? Hey Sean how are you? Good Sir her you. I'm doing great. You've given us some polling numbers. Let me give you the visual I'm an airline pilot. I've been flying to these blue cities. Let's start with San Francisco two and a half months ago. B. L., M. Signs all over the place on the front lawns you know the area like going to the Golden Gate. Bridge those wounded up very. Every one of them had a you know A. Sign out there. You know they'd. Anti police sign. Let's fast forward now. Is there a week ago? They're all gone? Day Royal. You you you. You heard the tape. If we can pull this up of people saying get out of our, you know get out of our house strangers walking through your neighborhood. And you know look. That's not ideal in this. Every single day I've been in the public eye for thirty three years. I can handle it, but let me tell you the average grandma GRANDPA MOM dad. Kid We're going to traumatize kids because anarchists the walking through the neighborhood telling people to get out of. Their own homes and leave their own homes that their homes are going to be taken from them listen. Second Job. Well. Guess what? I can only take so much of that but that's what they're saying Steve. Yes Sean, I could see. Blue cities and the they overplayed their hand. I, think the average personality we're not wanting California and its chances of the crazy liberal city. But that city is a shell of a city and the people that are living there are starting to look around and go what has taken place here they marched through the streets they destroyed the day dagoes the little mom and pop shops and I think a lot of people decided home I supporting now. and. They're chain knowing what you look. I mentioned this earlier people leaving New Jersey people leaving New York the leaving Illinois Chicago the Lieven La San Francisco the leave in Seattle and Portland Goodbye My only admonition is don't bring you stupid liberal policies and ruin the next state you're going to. Be Man we don't want them in tech. I grew anyway. Thanks Steve Leo You in Liberal Los Angeles Great I love about Los Angeles at this point is in and out Burger. Well I think right now Sean I got news for you after trump wins the election we're we need to recruit new. Candidates to take over the democratic cities and please improve the School Donald Trump has said school choice at the number. One action is the subject of thirty grief. We need to take over these democratic city twenty seconds eat sergeant penny. How does this election end? Well, that election in the presidential election with President Trump winning I, believe because you have these these radicalize agendas that are happening across the country. Also in that, you're going to see a lot of coats here I think what you're. GonNa see is especially for communities like mine that are always looking for that are looking for an opportunity to succeed. Now, they have an opportunity to have a leader. There's GonNa step in that promote all the issues that that directly relate to this community from education economic development job crime who better can can address these issues in me. In comparison to a twenty year eighty, five year old and comet being there for. The people realize that and I think this is where this change in in in society is going to occur during this election. The hundred seventeen congress is the most important congress in that we that we've seen in a long time. This is GonNa be the one to make the decision that people got. Yes. The the the the point. Yeah. They gotta remember. John I'll see what? What we gotta do is very simple I mean I gotta finish getting. Well, I tried to get my book look for you die, but we have every American has to work as hard as president trump. And worked twenty four seven to get him elected and the ship is happening right now and we have to keep working hard and tell others to vote for trump. We have to expand his bass 'cause Bass will come out and he's going to win the election. He's GonNa pull the insights rates as did twenty sixteen. Right Leo Terell Sergeant Penny thank you both eight hundred nine four one sean when we come back, DON Jr... We'll talk about the election, the impact of four years. This presidencies had on him and his whole family and much more as we continue will also get to your calls news roundup information overload hour coming. Don't forget live free or die forty percent off Amazon dot com. We'll continue our live free or die. America the world on the brink you're the ultimate jury just sixty three short days. That's when you decide and the stakes couldn't be higher, and that's what we've been talking about it. Is that the this it is that stark choice has never been a bigger choice election in your lifetime that never will be either the stated policies of radicalized. Sanders Socialism this insane green new deal that. trillions towards the efforts to well let's let's re imagine what a police force is. GonNa look like and deep phone the police or reallocate the funds police become the enemy I mean it's madness never mind. The fact that we've got to be honest does Joe Biden have the strength stamina the mental alertness and acuity to be the president of the United States I know nobody in the mob and the media will ask these questions they asked that of John McCain? They asked that a Reagan in eighty four Biden was ever elected. He'd be older on day one than Reagan was on the last day of his second term when he left office anyway, just a few reminders joe struggling by the way took one day out yesterday did one city one trip and he's back taken his little nappy in his basement bunker again today taking no questions at all yesterday. Here's a little bit of the ever forgetful Joe if you agree with me. Go to Joe Three Oh three three. I'm here to ask you for your help right come from. You don't get far unless you ask my name's Joe Biden I'm Democratic candidate for the United. States Senate, look me over your we help out and not both the other by Gimme a look though, okay. We choose truth over facts play the radio. Make sure television excuse me make sure you have the record player on night four kids, justice bright injustice towns, white kids I was a democratic caucus there'd been no caucus. No you haven't your line dog face pony soldier you said you were by here you. Nominate nominated. Democrat a lifelong Democrat. Proud Democrat. By vomit Democrat because we cannot get reelected. CanNot win this reelection excuse me. We could only re elect Donald Trump. Hope you'll all join us together. I think we can win back the house. We're going to keep the house increase it and flip the Senate. Union workers. And Your Diminish your second. Shush no one is in a position where they have a significant financial disability as a consequence of this. Of this particular crisis, we can do that we did that we've been through this before the corona virus. We've been through this before scooby we've been through this before with dealing with the viruses at the end one, H, one five as well as what happened in Africa one way they get spartans by great leaders who were you know called appeal our better angels from Abraham, Lincoln to all the way to FDR. Dr. To to John Kennedy. Center, Iraq. We have to take care of the cure that will make the problem worst. No matter what. No matter what. Excuse me. You know you're supposed to cough into your elbow I don't know Sir I learned that actually covering your White House. Actually actually that's true but fortunately, I'm alone in my home but that's okay. Why doesn't he just act like a president? I suspect way to say. Is. Sorry. Go ahead. No. Probably Best I'd and what we have done is the reason why most of the world was repaired US particularly after World War Two is because of who we are as nation. We the people we hold these truths. His cetera sounds Corny but it's real real. Evidence. All created by go you know the you know the thing created by you know you know the thing in and by the way we on crack come on man you junkie anyway, Donald Trump junior of now been thumbing through. We'll be a top bestseller. It's called liberal privilege. It's just out now Joe Biden and the Democrats Defence of the indefensible. Chapter two of this book is called unfit to serve. well, I can think of a guy that's been there fifty years Donald trump junior, and I can't think of a single accomplishment that that identifies Joe Biden with anything successful man I agree Sean It's it's embarrassing I. Know Guys that take a little time to warm up like when you open up your radio show, it takes you about six or seven seconds and you're in full swing Joe Biden's had half a century and he's still hasn't delivered i. Mean he's the media's Dream Sean because they can sell the Middle America. This is you know moderate blue-collar. Joe. From Scranton he's not moderate. He's not blue collar and he's not from granny left when he was eight years old but they're gonNA use him as this vessel to sell to the American people that he's somehow a moderate but you're not a moderate with Kamala, Harris has your vp you're not a moderate with Beta hell yeah I'm GonNa. Take your Ar Fifteen. As guns are and you're sure heck not a moderate with the Bernie Sanders joint unity platform on his website, which is like a combination of the green new deal and the communist manifesto wrapped up into one incredibly idiotic package. That's what you have from Joe Biden. You have a guy that literally can't get through it Sean. I mean, honestly it's sad but it's not enough that we should give him the nuclear football I mean that's the real problem. It's. It's scary that this guy can't remember where he is. He can't remember what he's talking about. He confuses basic concepts when he's doing some of these softball interview sean he he literally is. Looking at notes off to the side, you see the eyes flickering like a deer in headlights just in total panic, and this is a guy that's been doing it for half a century. He can't get through an interview without help. How is this guy possibly going to run the country but he's not. So you know I wrote a book because it's all the things that guys like you and me talk about but virtually, no. One mainstream media where so many people are getting their news no one's talking about these things. No one's talking about the fact that Joe Biden has had two brain aneurysms. He's had explosions in his brain that required brain surgery, and then when you can't remember where he is the media, it's like, oh no, there's no cause and effect. There's nothing to see here, and then I can we got the same treatment as Joe Biden. Quid pro quo Joe. You're not getting a billion taxpayer dollars unless you find the prosecutor investigating my zero experience son paid millions of dollars. You got six hours son of a B. They did it. By the way you might not know this we'll have more with John Solomon at the bottom of the hour. This just broke I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but the shouldn't surprise you. Headlines from, just the news DOT COM State Department to release memos detailing they've now been released a Solomon detailing illegal. A social media monitoring of Americans and it goes on to say the freedom of Information Act shows efforts to monitor social media, Fox, news personalities, Hannity Ingram Dobbs as well as the president son Non Junior Here we go. Again. Here we go. Let me guess I have a feeling. There's going to be nothing to see there now if you were doing that to the Obama administration imagined. George Bush. Did this to incoming Barack Obama lied you weaponized his FBI for the first time in two hundred, forty years plus broke one of the great traditions of America the peaceful transition of power it would be the biggest scandal in American political history. All of a sudden people have no interest in this sean and that's why I wrote liberal privilege because that's the quintessential example they can do whatever they want, and there's no accountability Hunter Biden can take millions may take a billion five from China from the government not like. Chinese. Company entry will go run entity gave one point five, billion, two, hundred, Biden you know what that means in the typical fund a fund structure is two percent management features just the two percent management fee before we even talk about profits on one point five billion is thirty million dollars a year. That's one hell of a salary Sean you think Joe. Biden is going to be tough on China. He hasn't been yet in his fifty year career he sent them jobs joe bedding should be running for president of China because. He's done a lot more for China's than he has for America but the media's GonNa utilize him as this sort of sock puppet vessel to try to hoodwink the American public hardworking men and women in this country. No, it's moderate Joe but you're you're not getting Joe you're getting come on you're getting a Oh see you're getting Bernie that's their big laugh. That's what they're pushing these days and that should scare all of us and the fact that no one in the media will question any of these things should. Scare. US even more because the media as an institution is over it's dead it's been dead actually said it believe it or not in two thousand and seven eight I said journalism in America is dead it's dead it's gone. It's buried and it's worse than that I mean the the biggest financial donors to all things radical extreme socialist you know. But they spent four years lying about your father, your family they've torn this country to shreds and then they claim that they don't like divisiveness. That's all they ben is divisive. Pushed lies and slander and conspiracy theories one after another done junior and you've been a big part of it all. Yeah. They don't like divisiveness. But. They didn't take in the week long. I Hate America. Zoom call that was the DNC now one person mentioned rioting looting vandalism now. Open up your business to feed your family. They're going to arrest you they're gonNA take away your business license they're gonNA, find you. But if you loot someone else's business, you gotta pass I mean that is the Democrat. Platform Today Sean. That's the liberal privilege that they can get away with I mean imagine any other time in his world history let alone American history where that's become acceptable a mainstream party essentially turning a blind eye to crime to theft to violence. Now, you can't go to work you'll get find you can't go to school they're not open but they WANNA. To get paid obviously they don't even want the Teacher's Union is even WanNa. Do Online learning anymore let alone in person learning while BLM and defunding police have become part of the Teacher's Union platform. You're sure as heck can't go to church you got fined for that two people got tickets for going to church. But if you WANNA loot riot vandalize commit arson no problem NPR national public radio did a segment justifying looting say the case for looting. Sean they're making excuses for this when it's going on for weeks on end when no one's announced when they've let it happen and then Donald Trump's hey need reinforcements to help your police agencies that have been around over Oh. My God Donald Trump is inciting them I go well. Why because there's sending reinforcements what about the five weeks of nonstop writing that happen prior to those enforcements being reinforcements being sent is also Donald Trump's fault or you guys just full of garbage it's really sad i. don't know if you saw the front page of the the drudge. report. Oh Now your dad has to deny that he had a series of strokes befallen tweeted out never ends. Now they're saying that your favorite president me went to Walter Reed Medical Center having suffered a series of mini strokes never happened at this candidate fake news and that is how desperate there's a level of desperation now that has kicked in here right It's it's absolutely insane I mean that goes to show you. That's why it's so important for your listeners to hear this you know if you know people on the fence, get liberal privilege because they're all of these stories. This is the Biden story, the Democrat story, all of the things that if there was a mainstream media, this would be their obligation under their stated profession to talk. The apparent public, no to inform them, but they refuse to do it. So this book is really designed for those who are on the fence once they once they realized that Joe Biden is the ultimate swamp monster. He's been there for fifty years by the way. Hang on it's called liberal privilege Joe Biden, and the Democrats Defence of the indefensible. Now, just to finish the the circle here, the president's doctor said, no not true fake news. The president did not have any issues involving a stroke mini stroke or any hard emergency but that doesn't stop the mob liberal privilege Joe Biden and Democrats offensively indefensible will continue on the other side more with a Donald Trump, junior new book out today. Right, as we continue donald trump junior with us All right is new book. Liberal. Privilege. Joe Biden and the Democrats Defence of the indefensible. You know you think about this they care about obstruction but not hillary's subpoenaed emails they care about Russia. But Not Hillary's dirty Russian misinformation dossier that she paid for they. They would be screaming bloody murder of Republican ever spied on them but they say nothing about your father being spied on during his campaign deep into his presidency they care about quid pro quos but not joe, they're just liars and the media mob and the Democrats they speak in one voice and you're right they defend the indefensible. It's it's sad they they do it time and time again I, mean, you saw the quick flip all of a sudden the media it's trump's fault what what's what's trumps the riots but wait a minute for three months I've been hearing. These are peaceful protests what what happened Oh what happened Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo said it on CNN that it's affecting the Democrats in the polls and then magically minutes later. Now they're all of a sudden taking the corollary they're doing the opposite approach in the media's carrying their water for them. I'm seeing these stories donald trump is totally not denounced the New York Times now trump refuses to denounce the Riots. Why has only Joe Biden done? So I'm like, what are like are you are you serious? They're really doing Sean Lee they're really doing it. They are a parody of themselves. I. Can't tell today if I'm reading the onion or New York Times or the Babylon be they're all the same except at least two of those are intentionally trying to be funny and create satire. It's embarrassing and that's the problem for the guy that's working hard lady working hard puts you know watch five minutes of news a day. That's the warped insane lens that they're getting their information from and it's all negative against trump almost one hundred percent of it. All Right Donald trump junior's new book liberal privilege, Joe Biden and the Democrats Defence of the indefensible just out today bookstores everywhere Amazon dot com, Hem Hannity Dot Com Donald Trump Junior. Thank you for being with us We'll talk often We got sixty three days to go the American people decide this and I'm praying they make the right choice. Thank you sir. Sean. Thanks for having me on as always. Thank you eight hundred, nine, four, one Sean, toll-free telephone number. They. Scott. China. News roundup information overload forty percent off today by the way Amazon Dot Com bookstores everywhere eight hundred nine, four one, Sean. If you WANNA be a part of the program. So we actually added up how long it would take if we played all of the Biden Gaffes and it's about now we're up to ten straight minutes. I'm in I will play at one day in total so you can like record it, but I can't do it all now. So we just have the latest version with the more recent gaffes and by the way poor little Joe, the frail the week the forgetful Joe Biden Times doesn't know the day of the week. The officers running for certainly doesn't know his past positions on fracking as we pointed out yesterday but this is the more recent. Forgetful Joe who had to take the day off today because Joey at a very hard day yesterday actually did one campaign stop and Got Booed? Enthusiasm anywhere he shows up and then he lied about fracking will always does and then he screwed up again on his. Off The cuff comments and he took no questions. He's taken less than fifty questions since March his the more recent gaff but we don't have time for the extended one. Why the hell would I take a test come on man? It's like saying you before he got in this program, you take test where you're taking cocaine or not. What do you think Are you a jody's I am I am very willing to let the American public judge, my physical mental fill, my physical as well as my mental. Fitness unlike the African American community with notable exceptions. Latino community is incredibly diverse community and I had nursing at nurses at. Walter Reed Hospital who had been down which for my year. Go home and get me toes. They would make sure they'd actually. Probably. Nothing ever taught in You can't do in the covert time, but it actually breathe in my nostrils to make the move I. Think we have an opportunity to turn. The. The changing the climate, the generating a fundamentally green infrastructure supply of those and ninety, five mask and. Ninety six, mass, six policy working groups one on the economy one on education. One of those only saw there's only so much time in any given day is only so much time we have breaking news I. mentioned it briefly at the top of the show John Solomon Editor Editor in chief of just the news dot com website is doing phenomenally well by the way and where we're very happy for him is book did phenomenally well, Here's the headline State Department to release memos detailing illegal social media monitoring of Americans. Memos released on the under the freedom of Information Act will show an effort to monitor social media. Of Fox News. Personalities. Hannity Ingram. A Dobbs as well as oh the president's son Don Jr... By the way this would be illegally a monitoring in other words, the details of which is illegal social media monitoring, John Solomon Breaking. The storage joins us now. I've asked you a lot over the years because I've been told and sources have repeated to me that I've been surveilled and I've been spied on I know this we send the public domain forty, five pages of Robert. Muller's you know team of a coup supporters asking questions about me We know thirteen hundred of my private text messages were released. is a violation of my privacy right? So why would? I not be surprised that deep state is spying on all of us Yep. Now, this is what we've asked many times and today. For the first time, we have the actual documents March, Twenty, seven, twenty, nineteen, the US embassy in Kiev sent to Washington a request that the following names have their social media accounts monitored you the Jackie email. Thank you blow or some of the twitter users with large followings. We've seen tweeting or discussing Ukraine related issues over the past several days they all have verified twitter concert should be pretty easy to spot number one Sean Hannity number two, Laura Ingraham number three Rudy Giuliani number four. Dan. Bongino number five Sebastian Gorka number six. On the list goes down thirteen total a few days after this was set into motion. How come? Why can't I be number thirteen at least I always get to the top of the class. Thanks a lot. Rather be dead last on that list that rather not be on the list. Yeah well, it's very chilling to see these emails. It's clear that what they were doing in real time was monitoring what we were discussing big expressing our free speech rights to talk about these issues, Russia Ukraine other issues, and they were monitoring and effort to quickly counteract anything. We were saying to stop out what we were saying and eventually they get an email from Washington tell him hey, guys you can't monitor American state. Department can't it violates the Privacy Act and then they're told to shut it down and stop and It's something that's been rumored for over a year Tom Fitting did some great. Work at Judicial Watch his lawsuit today freed these documents, and for the first time we have confirmation of the State Department getting involved and you know a mini espionage project looking at journalists like yourself and myself illegally improperly all. So they can protect their bureaucracy. That's what this was about They've got a member of the media. They don't know that. I'm the entire newspaper you know what's so offensive about all of this is Do you remember when What was her name Ambassador Yovanovic? I barely pronounce a name at the time my discussion of her was minimal I honed in and focused. Very exhaustively on quid pro quo Joe and zero experience hunter. You you know because you have an entire investigative team at just the news dot com, you'll go on a lot deeper into a lot of issues involving Ukraine. Now, we also have the DNC operative of Alexandra Lupu we now know. The America. The Ukrainian embassy in DC and according to politico in January twenty seventeen they will looking for dirt on trump and trump associates. Correct. There they were they were trying to put together a dossier on Paul Manafort to try to connect him to wrongdoing in Ukraine and Russia so that it would boomerang around on the trump campaign and that occurs in the same. March April Twenty sixteen timeframe as early actions that we now know George Popadopoulos being intercepted or meeting with people in Rome and in London The Alexander Downer having a conversation with Popadopoulos Carter page being invited to various events in London where he ultimately get spied on this these are happening at the same time that's where they're important. One of the interesting things in these emails today 'cause you just mentioned. Ambassador. which is the original search terms. What were they trying to do? You can tell from the search terms they were trying to protect the reputation of the US ambassador. Here are the five search terms advantage spelt one way you advantage spell the different way with a common misspelling Ukraine ambassador, Ukrainian ambassador Ukraine Soros Meeting George Soros the five people or the five terms they wanted either dealt with Maria or the liberal super donor George Soros interesting that that would be something of concern to the embassy So th these emails us I'm going through clearly show the monitoring was designed to counteract stories about the ambassador counteract stories about George Soros contract stories about Joe Biden and Hunter Biden an embarrassment. and the question for the American public is, why would the State Department after worry about these things? If they were doing their job, there's nothing to fear of these stories are out there the documents are out there. This is a this is something I think we're GONNA learn a lot more about in the next few weeks. Sean I. Don't think this is the final salvo of what was going on the thing that most people don't know I mean. It's actually I actually use these words to you one day and I remember the call and I remember the that you are silent for A. Little while and kind of absorbing when I was trying to communicate to you I said, these are not normal times as saying John Solemn I. Mean we'll see you know are exposing the deep state and Fiso, abuse and and literally all that has gone on with people at the highest levels of power within the deep state that would be the Department of Justice FBI intelligence communities. Schumer famously saying they'll get you six ways in Sunday. If you dare to take them on and what I said to you was it's now officially dangerous what you're doing for a living and I was not wrong in what I said and people don't understand that you know hundreds of millions of dollars have and will be spent in the future for the purpose of taking all of us out and that's what they do and they monitor and they do things and we've only begin to touch the surface of how things like this have gone on. The second time in a week, we know that a government agency was monitoring social media. We learn last Friday again because of a great lawsuit by Judicial Watch that the FBI and Pete struck specifically was monitoring and analyzing the tweets of president trump. What is the? FBI. tweeting these are First Amendment protected privileges whether the president exercises them I exercise, you exercise them. These are not things that government officials should be focused on. They should be focusing on diplomacy if the State Department crimes, the FBI but there's this fascination that at the end of the Obama Administration going forward at least maybe it's began earlier. But certainly at the end of the Obama Administration to start to look at first amendment protected activities and in potentially infringe on them and I, think this is a troubling trend I. When you said danger I now know what you mean because every day we're learning more about how long the reach of government is into our personal lives. Let me ask you this. You've always been predicting the John Durham and his investigation that begin to see some significant developments. After Labor Day he's still on that time line. Yeah I mean I think the first one ready. Kurt. Right. I always say just before just after Labor Day we saw Kevin Kline Smith plea deal. That's important that plea deal lists information or another crime. It says that prior to Kleinschmidt, doctoring the documents back in the summer of Twenty sixteen before Donald Trump was elected the FBI was told that Carter page CIA acid and they've failed on three occasions to tell the court Before Kevin Smith Dr the document that's another crime they knew something that was exculpatory. That was supposed to be required. They didn't tell the court. So John Durham has signaled. There are other crimes he's looking right now whether we learn about those in a report, an indictment and other plea deal there's a lot of activity going on behind the scenes. It's hard to tell what what's going to come next but I do expect. This month September now that we just hit September that we'll see some more developments what they are. They could be an interim report there could be one or two more women cases being brought but the investigation is extremely active. You know great work as always John Solomon and I i. hope the people are held accountable and I've said this often and I'll repeat it. That, if we don't, if the laws are not applied, equally, if we don't have equal justice, you might as well take your constitution burned or shredded because it it'll be meaningless. It is the foundation of our entire Democratic Republic and the rule of law, and if it's not applied equally than we don't have equal justice, we have a banana republic great work. Now it's just the news dot com will have more on this investigation tonight on Hannity Nine Eastern always hope you say Dvr thank you John Solomon Think Sean. You. Know a lot of people think Look at Linda she's just shaking her head. Why do I know you? That's what you're thinking right now why am I associated with you why I'm? Just in. Orbit this is what my this is the this is my average day. And you know as much as anybody. Every day dealing with a pile of dog whatever from either the mob and the media trying to destroy you the millions of dollars spent to destroy every conservative, and then you got these guys that have abused power are corrupt and turn the power of the state against you know people that are members of the press. I truly and honestly am appalled by what I am seeing not by just the rioters and people who hate our country filling our streets. and. Just casting aside lives like they just don't matter I mean even if I didn't agree with somebody no matter who it was I would mourn the loss of life and I just it's callous and this sort of like ridiculous overreach and surveillance and what they've done to people just regular people like you like, yeah you might be a TV host and radio host, but you're an American citizen you've ever. have an email phone number I, mean the fifty, seven, hundred. Zero. Wait a minute. Him saying for years don't have access to any social media. How many? How many guards do we have a my social media accounts now including your one of them Yeah I mean. But the problem is that that's all of response to illegal surveillance to illegal overreach all of this, the minimization, the getting rid of cell phones, the getting rid of emails, the getting rid of social media access. It's a response to the egregious behavior of what should be a democracy it's disgusting. There should be privacy there's not and it's sad that you know my my best friends and my family after read this crap. But Anyway, I love my country more. Let's just be honest not the worst thing in the I'm not getting shot at that. So many people fight plead die sacrifice everything. So we can live free and but they're taking away our freedoms as we speak it's scary. Wrapping up with today. Hope you'll say dvr Hannity Fox News each weeknight nine PM Eastern loaded up tonight Oh gotTA. 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Ep. 923 - Welcome To 2020!

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Ep. 923 - Welcome To 2020!

"Iranian forces attacked the American embassy in Iraq anti Semitic attacks become commonplace in New York. City and Democrats. Continue to push impeachment. Happy New Year. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro. Show the Ben Shapiro. Show is sponsored by express. VPN Protect Your online privacy today and expressed breasts VPN dot com slash. Great thing to do in the New Year. Well Happy New Year to Y'all hope you had a wonderful vacation if you're able to take vacation. I hope that you had a wonderful Christmas. Great Hanukkah Happy New Year. And we're back and you know what that means. It's time for an international emergency so over Iraq. Things have been degrading and degrading fairly quickly. That is because the government Chirac has always been torn between the sectarian divide Sunni and Shia. This has been true for a very long time. In the aftermath of Saddam Hussein's fall and the disbanding of the the Iraqi military. Sectarian violence obviously started to take root in Iraq. In recent years there was an attempt by the United States to help bring together a government that would both fight off isis and that would resist just Iran that has proved to be harder than expected simply because Iran's influence in the region has tremendously tremendously grown. And that is in large part. Thanks to the fact that the Obama Administration decided to basically basically make room for the Iranians. And now you're saying all these members of the media all these members of the left who are suggesting that it's president trump's fault that Iranian terrorists attempted to storm the US embassy over the last three or four days. They're trying to suggest that this is because of trump's harsh policy on Iran. No this is because when you appease a power Iran their power grows and they are able to stage events like this one and this is two very different views a foreign policy. And it's something that we ought to take note because there is this tendency inside the right to be isolationist Sionist as well and these views of foreign policy one suggests that the role of the United States in the world should be basically. We stay within our own borders. We wait to be hit if we are hit. Then we lash out and sort of quick fashion and then retreat back inside our own borders and that the outside world has nothing to do with us and this was America's foreign policy for large swaths of time up until the beginning of the twentieth century essentially. And then there's the other view which that the world has become a very very small place and what that means. Is that when things happen abroad. Eventually they are going to end end up as being threats to the United States and so one of the goals of the US military one of the goals of American foreign policy is to quash threats before they occur. It's to make sure that we can minimize the possibility ability of risk growing and so to take an example. There are two views that were prevalent in the United States in the nineteen thirties. In the lead up to world and this is none of this has meant to suggest that we're about to go to war with Ron which we are not okay but there are two views in the nineteen thirties in the lead up to World War. Two view number one was the old sort of isolationist and this was predominant in the United States it was the view of of the of the Republican Party was the view of populace Father Coughlin. It was the view of many people who suggested that the United States basically had no role in the world if there was chaos over in Europe. Well that was a that. Was the Europe problem. If there is chaos over between Japan and China that was really a Japan and China problem. It wasn't really a US problem. And then that problem started to arrive on America's front doorstep and back doorstep as it turns out and then Pearl Harbor Habits. Now what what's interesting about the reaction of the United States to Pearl Harbor's. Where's that we immediately got our backup? We recognize that our role in the world had to change. Because the fact is this the United States pretty easily could come to some sort of accommodation with the Japanese that would have allowed them mm to maximize the regional power even after Pearl Harbor and in fact it's possible. That's what the Japanese government thought was going to happen is that the United States was not going to go to full-scale war with Japan Japan even after Pearl Harbor because `isolation sentiment was so strong and so they felt like okay. Well if we hit them then maybe they'll back off again. That's not what happened. The United States got its backup and instead the United Sates ends up defeating Japan and occupied Japan for the next eighty years. The United States does the same thing with regard to Germany. The America America's role in the world fundamentally changes because we recognize after World War. Two that there is no more of this. We can retreat within our borders and everybody will leave us alone. Well that has only become worse overtime and every so often reminded of this nine eleven when we were reminded that we can leave the Middle East alone we can basically have a light footprint in the Middle East we can say that that region of the world has not much to do with us and that will not stop terrorists from hating us and wanting to attack us in wanting to kill American citizens and again. There are two ways of viewing America's military response to events like this one is the aftermath of Pearl Harbor which killed on the order of of two thousand Americans than the aftermath of Pearl Harbor. America then entered a war in which two hundred thousand American were killed right in in World War Two was that a disproportionate response in some ways. I think there are some isolationists would ard yes. Pat Buchanan for for example has sort of argued yes. The same thing has happened in the aftermath of nine eleven. There's the the argument that was made that they yes. They killed three thousand of our citizens. But then we've been involved in worse than killed more American troops that more American troops have died in those worth but this fundamentally we miss states the role of the American military and the role of America in the world and that is the American military people sign up. It's particularly now it's a volunteer. Military are heroes who are signing up to defend America's freedom they're not not signing up in order to be paid to sit at a base in Georgia or that that is not why they sign up and to treat them as children treat. Our soldiers left likes to do As sort of pawns and political games where anytime somebody says. We need to US troops to defend our embassy in Baghdad for example then less as well. How many troops are you willing to put risk? Listen isn't that's a fine question but it's not a question if you do it every single time. We talk about using military force in defense of American assets abroad. So we have to decide is what we want. America's role in the world to be and also we have to be realistic about the fact that if America retreats from certain areas of the world other forces takeover if Iran takes over Iraq frontex over Syria Iran on six over Lebanon of FRONTEX over Yemen. That has significant ramifications for America's foreign policy not just in terms of the economy and shutting down the stretch for Moose but in in terms of actual security policy. The fact is the Iranian. Government is the chief sponsor of worldwide terror on planet earth. Right now if Iranians take over the region that maximizes Russian and aggression Russian power which has ramifications for Europe if the Chinese are working with the Russians and with the Iranians that it maximizes Chinese power at the expense of American power in the World No economics not zero sum game but foreign policy to a certain extent is in fact zero sum game and when America pulls back it is not that this becomes a vacuum and it's that that vacuum is very it quickly filled so they're going to be people who today tomorrow as we come back into the new year. Argue that all of this is happening in Iraq because the United States ought to take more isolationist salaciousness view toward the world. That all this happened with guard to China and Russia if we just leave them alone they'll leave us alone but that is not the reality. The reality is that if we leave all the stuff alone. Oh we are doing. Doing is emboldening America's enemies to grow stronger and then when conflict does occur. We are facing down a much stronger. Enemy they right now one of the things that that is occurring from from from sort of the old Obama acolytes. They're saying well if we had just left Iran alone and we just continued to pay off. Ron will then. Iran wouldn't violent right now with America now first of all. It's not true true. I mean Iran is responsible for the deaths of literally. Thousands of American service. People in Iraq is so so the Iranians have not been our friend for for quite a while going all the way back to the malls in nineteen seventy nine. But there's this case that's being made by the Obama contention that if we paid them off everything would have been fine and it's trump's harsh stand against the Iranians that is causing them to get violent. Okay go back to nineteen. I'm forty and the immune accords and think to yourself. Nineteen thirty nine in the Munich accords. Thirty eight thirty eight Dominican dollars and think to yourself what what would have happened. After the Munich accords. But before Hitler violates the Munich accords Churchill was elected and then Churchill's takes very strong stand. And then Hitler starts attacking the countries surrounding around him. Isn't it true that people on the left within have blamed Churchill and his strong stand against the Germans for provoking appeasement. Looks good until the point at which the appeaser is stepped on. The problem is if people foresee that and they let somebody who's no longer going to appease it's easy for people on the left and for `isolation is to due to suggest that it's the intransigence of strong willed people standing up against evil that is the cause of the evil being evil and that's never true. The Iranian government has been evil for forty years. In the the German government was evil before Churchill was elected and before Churchill took over and the governor and the Chamberlain government collapsed. You'd evil doesn't need an excuse to be able can we'll get into what's actually occurring here and why president trump is doing the right thing in Iran and what foreign policy ought to look like. They're nobody is calling for over at war. I will say this one thousand times today day. No one wants war with Ron. No one wants in open conflict with Iran. 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Okay so here is the actual latest from what is happening over in Baghdad. According to The New York Times as of last night after a second day of tense protests at the American embassy in Baghdad thousands of Pro Iranian demonstrators dispersed on Wednesday. It demonstrators is code for many of these people are terrorists that literally terrorist. I group called US Blah which has outlets. This is sort of the Iraqi outlet. There's the Iraqi outlet of color sponsored by the Iranian could force which is a wing of their Revolutionary Guard. Kabila has thousands of rockets pointed at Israel and Lebanon. CUSS BLAH has a significant role in the conflict in Syria because Blah is one of the worst terrorist groups on the planet it is labeled as such by the American State Department in by an increasing number of European countries and if the Europeans label some somebody from the from the Middle East a terrorist. Then it's a fairly good shot that international terrorist group a after the second day of tense protests at the American embassy in Baghdad. Thousands of Pro Russian demonstrators dispersed on Wednesday ending us. Each that had trapped American can diplomats in the embassy compound overnight winding down a potentially explosive crisis for the trump administration. The demonstrators had swarmed outside the embassy chanting death to America. The The New York Times by the way originally termed these people mortars which shows you where their heads are at what exactly were they supposedly mourning. They were mourning. The fact that the United States had attacked act COSBY LA encampments in Syria and Iraq. Because these are places from which COUPLA fighters had been going out and trying to kill Americans and American allies in contrast Tuesday day when some demonstrators forced their way into the compound and said some of the outbuildings on Friday right demonstrators demonstrators. Don't break into embassies and set things on fire. Those are called terrorists. The crowd on Wednesday was smaller. No protesters breached the compounds gates. When the demonstrators largely members of Iranian back militias angered by deadly American airstrikes? Over the weekend. I do love it when they suggest that they are angered by deadly American air strikes. You know until then there were nice guys but then it was that the United States attacks and terror basis and then they're like oh man. I'm so so pissed off until this I was just like. You're nice normal terrorist. I wasn't GonNa let go burn an embassy or something but now that you killed by terrorist friends now. I'm like a super really giant angry terrorist terrorist amicable burn crap alternatively these terrorists who are looking for an excuse to go and do something bad and so they stormed the embassy the walls the embassy and this force Americans inside the embassy. The American military to fire tear gas into the crowd when the demonstrators reached the roof of the burn reception building on Wednesday American security forces including Marine reinforcements sent by the Pentagon the day before fired tear gas to drive them back. And you can see from the video. I mean these are people. Arriving with battering rams and weapons were all females remedies. These are demonstrators. Have you seen a single female. Why is it that these are all military age males were carrying Hezbollah flags? Could it be that. They are actually terrorists terrace and so sick of the media covering terrorism pretending they're just demonstrators it's insane the full withdrawal came after leaders of the Iranian backed militias who had organized the demonstration called on the crowd to leave and most gradually drifted away on foot or drove off in trucks leaders later announced that their agreements withdraws conditioned on a commitment from Iraq's prime minister Abu Mahdi to per to move ahead with legislation to force American troops to withdraw from Iraq Samadi had been protested by thousands of Iraqi citizens who said that he's enthralled to the Iranians now bodies caught between a couple couple of between a rock and a hard place basically a large part of his country is she a huge percentage of the parliament is Shia many members the government are Shia many of them are in thrall to Iran meanwhile here's a vast Sunni population as well the Shia want the Americans to leave the Doron can help overrun Iraq the Sunnis want the Americans to stay so that America can help protect them against the Iranians. Now if you're American you're going. What role do we have in all of this? While the role is to basically keep the peace in the region need to keep the pieces because if the Iranians overrun Iraq and they've now run all territory between Afghanistan and the and the coast of Mediterranean Sea. And they they now run everything basically ranging all the way as far east as parts of Afghanistan and then all the way as far west as Lebanon and as far South Yemen and by working in coordination with the Russians and the Chinese. So if you worry about America's place in the world about foreign pas about the possibility of a major war breaking out here's the thing war breaks out for a variety of reasons but one of those reasons is when your enemies think they are stronger than in you and they take advantage of that strength right now. America's enemies recognized that America does not want to go to war with anybody and so they're pushing the borders and they're pushing. This is what Putin has been undoing. He did it in Crimea. He did it in Georgia. He's been pushing consistently the Iranians pushing consistently the Chinese are pushing consistency consistently. They're basically using the old stalinesque tactic of push. Where it's Mush ran a push until until the much stops basically? Well the question is when is America's back going to get up with all this president. Trump is saying right now like this bleep ends right now. Iran's ability to malicious to blockade American diplomats inside the embassy for most first of two days may clear how much power they will within the Iraqi government according to the American government the Iraqi government didn't do enough at the very beginning to defend America's embassy in Iraq that sovereign American territory according according to the New York Times despite a sixteen year American effort to establish a government friendlier to Western interests at a cost more than one trillion dollars in five thousand American lives Iraq's leaders lined up in opposition to the American airstrikes airstrikes and its security forces allowed the militias to reach the American diplomatic compound. Okay that is not because the government is anti-american it's because the government is in thrall all to the Iranians and that is because America has lessened its footprints in Iraq. And so if you're in Iraq and you're betting on the future of the country who do you think has more staying power the Iranians or the Americans if America really showed listen. We're not going anywhere. We're going to stay here until this thing is locked down. We're at least going to provide you the help you need and Solis thing is locked down against Iran. Then the Iraqi government would probably be a lot more forthcoming in terms of the resources they provide to the American government. That's what the American government is. Staying is saying it is also true that consistent American unwillingness leanness to confront the Iranian aggression over the past year and a half right the Iranians firing on ships in the Straits of Hormuz Iranians shooting down American drone America. Ah Basically doing very little. It's a passing of sanctions. The Iranians are pushing where they think that. It's much while the Moshe has now ended. 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It's not a threat to brand new. It's not a warning. It's mostly just a note of caution. Okay so we'll get to more than just one second while progress of that in just one second but for President President Trump has now responded to the situation over in Iraq says. Listen this in Benghazi. So the the media immediately start saying well. This is trump's Benghazi. What's it's ironic about this? Is that the same media declared the Benghazi was not a problem in the first place and it kept saying the Obama Administration handled it brilliantly while Barack Obama's partying and people were dying at the Benghazi Ozzie Embassy in Libya in two thousand twelve and Hillary Clinton was lying that she had that she that this was completely unexpected and was a protest that went awry in response to a youtube video when it was in fact act a terrorist salt and that her State Department had turned down security requests right in the media. There's no scandal in Benghazi like none. At all. There was no cover-up there was no scandal. It wasn't Susan Rice and the Obama. I'm administration repeatedly lines to the American people which they did. Well now you've got. MSNBC's joy reed says. This is trump's Benghazi. Well but I thought Obama says he wasn't really a big deal and we had journalists literally making fun of quote Unquote Benghazi Conspiracy theories anyway. DREWERY tweeted out as trump's Benghazi unfolds in Iraq. Okay what okay well. I'm glad to see the guys came around on. Benghazi was a bad thing. So that's exciting. President trump came out. He says this ain't going to be a Benghazi. Guess what I'm not Obama handle. Well the breeds came in. We had some great written warriors. Come in and do offend tastic job. There were there instantaneously soon as we heard I use the word immediately. Came `obediently and It's a great shape. As you know this will not be Benghazi. Benghazi should never have happened. This will never ever be been Ghazi but we have some of our greatest greatest warriors quickly a peace through strength and president trump. Embodying it here. He's apparently thinking about deploying. Four thousand troops to the Middle East. In order to Protect Act America's assets abroad this is in fact the right move a precipitous withdrawal would drive terrorism. It would drive the rise of our enemies again. You will hear calls on the isolationist right for exactly that that sort of withdrawal suggesting that now it'd be a great time to get out well again. That is a that is a short term view. See the Nice thing about being. An isolationist is the counterfactual is always very useful to you because is the fact is most presidents are not willing to let America's assets wither on the vine. They're not willing to America's enemies run roughshod over swaths of the globe and then strengthen rankin themselves so it's easy to point to costs that have already occurred and say those custom have to occur but the counterfactual which is what if America Ju just withdrew and all of these countries got stronger and then started launching terror attacks and started launching economic attacks because that doesn't occur because of actions like president trump's well then that leaves the isolationist us with the argument that the cost that actually were incurred or bad or the counterfactual is always a lot easier than the actual real time cost of things that are being done right now according to Fox News the US Army's he's eighty second airborne divisions alert brigade has been issued orders to deploy rapidly to Kuwait amid the unrest in Baghdad three. US defense officials told Fox News on Tuesday at least seven hundred fifty paratroopers are set. That's it a point to the region immediately. According to Defense Secretary Mark Esper- the Alert Brigade of roughly four thousand paratroopers known as the Division Ready Brigade has been told to prepare air for possible deployment in the days ahead. After hundreds of iranian-backed militiamen tried to storm the US embassy in Baghdad on Tuesday we actually have video of the US helicopters copters arriving the attack helicopters arriving in Baghdad suffice it to say it was shortly thereafter that Dirani malicious at guys. I think maybe we should pull back yet. Yeah no kidding you should pull back because turns out that America are firepower is pretty extraordinary. And that is an American helicopter arriving and saying. Hey Hey guys were here. Just let you know. Mike Pompeo the secretary of state says we're not backing down. We're not going to give in to terrorist demands any plans to evacuate the embassy in Baghdad. Sir none any plans to pull some of the five thousand. US troops in Iraq out. None we put real real pressure on this lawmakers Iran. We will continue to do so. And he saw the president say today we will continue to hold Islam overrun accountable. Wherever we find their malign activity? And we'll make sure we have the resources to do so k now if you're the Iranians all you wanted to maintain the pressure long enough that a Democrat is elected at which point the United States presumably would go back to trying to bribe have the Iranians into what piece into decency. That is the thing that's not going to happen. By the way there are protests against the Iranian influence on the Iraqi government. They're just not being covered by the media. That's another point that Mike Pompeo was making me will mark asper. The Secretary of Defense says the Ron or as proxy forces may be planning further strikes on American interests in the Middle East and the US is prepared. Take preemptive military action if it gets sufficient warning according to Esperer said the game has changed or prepared to do what is necessary to defend our personnel and our interests and our partners is in the region ellison. No one wants full-scale worth Iranians. But you know who doesn't want to full-scale war the most the Iranians because if there's a full scale where the first people dire the Mola's this thing goes to full-scale were the first people who have their heads come right off. Their bodies are the malls in Iran. And they know it so what they're doing right now is they're pushing and they're pushing pushing and they're pressing their own population and they're launching low level terror assaults when they are doing all of this in the hopes that they will drive America out of the Middle East in the same way that the North Vietnamese the ECON- drove the United States out of Vietnam and that allowed for spread of communist tyranny in that region. They're looking for the same thing to happen here. The difference is that president trump is president right now and the chances that he is going to pull out precipitously honestly are extremely extremely low as well. They should be there things. The United States can do beyond economic sanctions by the way and striking terror basis is one of those things hitting eating at Hezbollah is one of those things that can be done with pretty much zero cost from the air which is one of the reasons you saw these demonstrators quote unquote from the New York Times these demonstrators descending on the embassy she is because America did strike a series of terrorist encampments and was very successful the United States does have an interest in ensuring safety and security for America Aca and her allies in her interests in the region. It'll be interesting to see how these arguments play out because trump does have sort of isolationist streak but he has also not somebody who's going to run away from all of this. Meanwhile watching the watching the Obama Administration sycophants like Ben Rhodes come out and talk talk about how terrible trump is is just a reminder. How Awful Obama was? The fact is Iran has been emboldened in the region because of the Obama Administration. Trump tweeted out. This is not a warning. It is a threat happy new a year. Well the bottom line is that what he's doing is going to mean a lot more than what he is saying. Deploying those troops making sure that our our assets are safe and secure over there. All that makes sense. It is worth noting. The Barack Obama welcomed the leader of the US embassy attack to the White House back in two thousand eleven and he was criticized for it at the time because the person was seen as Iranian proxy. Even then okay. 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Great deal from address that is going to give you a heavenly nicely helix sleep dot com slash man. Go Check Mary now can. Meanwhile North Korea is upping the ante as well. No president goes through their first term without being tested a little bit president from strategy. North Korea has been almost precisely the opposite of his strategy. On Ron Ron his Reggiana Ron has been to push the mollusc box them in to cut off their economic lifelines to weaken them from within. That's largely been successful. which is why you are seeing the Iranian government? Lash out in every direction as they desperately attempt to fend off the protests that have been rolling throughout throughout the country for the last what six to nine months in North Korea. The United States has taken the opposite the opposite tack and that has been to try and Woo Kim Jong UN personally have been very critical attack. Thought that if it's been a waste of time North Korea showing each and every day that they're not trustworthy partner. According to to Emily's naughty writing over daily wire North Korea now says it has a new strategic weapon and Kim Jong UN plans to deploy it soon according to the Associated Press North Korea says it has has a new strategic weapon that will stunned the world with shocking action. North Korean dictator Kim Jong employ the weapons soon as we have challenging the US nuclear weapons superiority. Kim I'm John. Era Appears to be using this. As a bargaining chip installed trade talks with the trump administration. This is always the tactic of the North Koreans which is to threaten action. Fire missiles basically fuss. Until you get what you want create a situation and then suggest that it can be resolved only by America cutting check. It has not worked to the benefit of the United States or to the benefit of the people of North Korea for decades. At this point why would work with. Ron is beyond me. The left wants to see the North Korean model applied tour. It's funny to watch the media and all of us because trump is taken this really bifurcated. I forget approach to Iran versus North Korea. They won't endorse either strategies when trump takes this very soft tack with North Korea. which at least it is mildly more justified then it would be with Iran simply because Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons yet? North Korea already does which means that that you have to treat them with a little bit more care than you would would with regard to Iran but when it comes to North Korea. The media's like all look at this trump he's sycophantically kissing ass with North Korea and then when it comes to Iran where where president trump is taking a very harsh line. The why isn't he sycophantically. Kissing ass of the MOAS. Like Barack Obama did guys gotTa pick one treat America's enemies with harshness and it's peace through strength and you set up barriers and rules or it's none of the above you gotTa pick. You can't just randomly suggest that it's good when Barack Obama doesn't but bad one trump does it that's not the way any of this works. The AP reports that that owns says he will soon reveal a new strategic weapon to the world is a bolsters its nuclear deterrent in the face of quote unquote gangster like US pressure. The trump administration has been trying to negotiate with North Korea for years president trump season into deal with communist nation as a potential hallmark of his term. Just a few short years ago from did manage to secure an anti proliferation treaty with North Korea. Halting at the time North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons development of ICBM's but North Korea is not actually abided by any of those agreements. President trump dismissed the threatened North Korea. You know we're getting along great. Which of course is not true? Here's president trump saying it. I have a very good relationship with Kim Jong Un. I know he's sending out certain messages about Christmas person. I hope is Christmas. Present is beautiful. Oh boss that's what I'd like a vase as opposed to something else. I don't know I. Luckily he likes be. I like Kim. We get along you the presenting his country representing my country. We have to do we have to do by the way. I just want to know if Kim Jong UN Centro Bavasi Glitz vise is wasted of buzz. Here you need another stupid vas a thousand bucks with asset is is the policy with regard to North Korea. The smartest no but is there a really great policy available with North Korea. The answer of course is no I mean. At the very least North Korea doesn't have regional aspirations northwards at least somewhat made somewhat contained contained. The same is not true of rump. Meanwhile over in New York City attacks on Jews Continue Apace. We saw over the Christmas vacation over the CONACO. The Windsor vacation we saw an attack during Konica at a house. That was next to assure in in Brooklyn it was an attack on on a Emma. SHETTY attack by a guy who'd been let out of jail early yet criminal history and it injured five people including the rabbi of this particular show. This was only the latest in a spate of attacks. There've been a bunch of attacks over the last month over the last several weeks and I mean the you can see we have a mash up of a bunch of videos of the attachment close circuit. TV pretty frightening stuff you can see the. Here's a Ju. Just being chased down in the middle of the street and beaten up Italy held to the ground and punched. You can see the I mean this sort of stuff is happening pretty much every day and it will overtly religious Jews that are being targeted. Disproportionately by people who happen happen to be minority. Doesn't mean that they're doing it because they're minority but it is worthwhile noting. This is one of the reasons media covering it. There's Jewish boy. Walking down the street address man getting walking down the street getting clocked from behind by By young person of color it appears the only reason that race is relevant in. This conversation is because the media specifically only talk about antisemitic attacks when they are white supremacist. The reason they're not talking about these attacks is because they're not against secularized Jews with left-wing values there against religious orthodox Jews in New York City and they are being perpetrated by by members of the intersectional hierarchy that the reason why the media refuses to cover all of this. The New York Times admitted as much back in two thousand eighteen when they said that even though there was a massive spike in anti Semitic attacks in the city's it's been ongoing for years at this point. They said that they had failed to cover it because quote refuses to conform to an easy narrative with a single ideological enemy. The fact is the media refused to take this stuff seriously specifically because of the nature of the victims religious Jews who do not hold left-wing values and the nature of the victimisers disproportionately young minority males. How's Jake Tapper? got this one right jake. Tapper is on CNN. US Talking. With Barry Weiss Engine Kostin and here's Jake explained correctly that the media response it definitely would have been different if white supremacists had committed this CONACO attack. This is kind of a sensitive question but do you think the reaction by politicians and the media would be any different. If these Lee's recent antisemitic attacks had been committed by white supremacists instead of who they were committed by. I do and the reason for that is because it took cook a man walking in with a machete the size of a broomstick for there to be any public outrage during the holiday of Hanukkah. That of course is true. It is also true that the Jersey City attack disappeared from mainstream newspapers and not only that was covered by mainstream newspapers as a response to gentrification with Jews coming in and offering to buy apartments from black folks in Jersey City. In fact is the media only cover anti Semitism when it is convenient to their narrative but anti-semitism comes from wide variety of sources including disproportionately early in terms of opinion black. Americans are disproportionately smell compared to other racial subgroups of Americans according to the anti-defamation League again only relevant. Because what you are seeing being in New York City is disproportionately tax taking place from members of minority communities. Gay The if if this were white supremacists thing the media would be covering covering it because it is uncomfortable to talk about the fact that there is disproportionate anti-semitism among African Americans in the United States. The media simply refused to cover it. Armin in Rosen wrote for Tablet magazine back in July Twenty Nineteen about Jew Hatred New York correctly noted quote that the victims are most outwardly identifiable. I E religious rather than secularized Jews the perpetrators. Here's who've been recorded on CICI. TV cameras are overwhelmingly black and Hispanic the media therefore does not want to cover all of this because this cuts directly against the supposed alliance of intersection action. -ality in which all minority groups are allied against the white superstructure left. Just ignores the wrong type of anti-semitism and so the same media that will that will derive great joy from suggesting that president trump most pro Israel president in the history of the United States is actually as an anti Semite the same year that will pretend that president trump's executive order for campus designed to protect us in the same way that protects blacks on American campuses are actually smick will will suggest that it is perfectly wrong to cover the fact that Barack Obama sat and Jeremiah Wright's Church for twenty years while Jeremiah Wright's spewed anti-semitism. He did for two decades. We know this Democratic candidates who suggest that trump has emboldened anti-semites will now make pilgrimage. They have been doing this right. You see in the Buddha judge. He made pilgrimage to Al Sharpton. An actual anti Semite who's involved in the incitement allegedly involved involved in the incitement of two separate antisemitic. Riots in New York City and now has shown MSNBC so yes. The identity of the victims matters and sodas the identity of of the victimisers Muslim commentators will police Republicans for mentioning George Soros. So if you say George Soros in a ferry as force in American politics which by the way he is he does some very bad the things in American politics. Then they'll all the Anti Semitism. If you've mentioned George Soros if by the way you mentioned anything about right wing Jewish donors if you mentioned something about about Sheldon Adelson then. Obviously that's not anti-semitic. That's just you critiquing money in politics. But if you about George Soros it's anti Semitic and then they'll just excuse open anti-semitism from Rashida to leave an in Ohio Mar by the way the the statement that I made about disproportionate anti-semitism inside the black community that supported by consistent polling done by the Anti Defamation League every single year. 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CNN's Sam Vinograd blamed president trump for the situation in New York tried to excuse Andrew Andrew Cuomo the governor of New York and Bill De Blasio mayor of New York and she blamed president trump in the process for the fact that Bill Blasios who claimed that there was no antisemitic. Problem like five weeks ago after that Jersey City attack he suggested will now. anti-semitism has reached the doorstep of New York City. No it's been there for a very long time. You just don't care about it because it's coming in a form formed you wish not to recognize Andrew Cuomo who came out and said well this is it has to do with. The general tone and tenor of politics are trying to blame for something happening in his own state. Here's CNN. Tim Vinyl graduating the same thing. We have not seen the. US government addressed the lessons of countering extremism in really strategic way. And I I do not understand why. President trump has the authority and the ability to call together whole of government approach on this issue in his his failed to do so do so concurrently unfortunately really propagating some antisemitic narrative. OCC so you see. Somehow the I guess the people who are beating up juicing Williamsburg are actually trump supporters boarders. Shocker who didn't incoming. I'll be honest with. You really did not see that coming. I'm probably the pair of goons who flashed a knife. According to the New York Post is they yelled. Hey d'you boy at Brooklyn seventeen over the weekend spewing that hate at a seventeen year old victim Walkman avenue owner eighth street. Apparently that was pro- probably that was probably a bunch of white supremacist. By the way not a single incident in New York City has been linked to white supremacy. But obviously this has to do with President trump demonstrating once again that doesn't care about anti-semitism. Depending on the source Jay Michaelson wrote a piece over the daily beast where he tried to explain the left wing. Anti Semitism is basically fine because the reality the left-wing anti-semitism is rooted in reality where right wing white supremacist anti. Semitism is. Rooted voted in mere conspiracy. Theorizing it really this is. This is what this idiot wrote. It's unbelievable he says this combination of baseless hatred. He's talking about the conspiracy. Theorizing theorizing in the in the Jersey City community among some people about Jews selling organs and gentrification he's this combination of baseless hatred and socio economic grievance stands in stark contrast to the word wordy theoretical manifestos of white supremacists Anti Semitism and while some attackers say conspiracy theory. Similar to the ones on the nationalist. Right such as the Blackie Lackey Abreu Israelite doctrines noted above the social context and relationships to power are utterly different while conspiracy mongering exist on the left and the right there is no left wing or African American equivalent. Excellent of president trump was freely treated traded anti Semitic stereotypes sometimes in a joking way after all the notorious Anti Semite Louis Farrakhan may be the leader of the nation of Islam but trump is the leader of the free world and then he just blames trump for all of this literally the Democratic Party this year or last year rather excuse the Anti Semitism of Goma and made them part of the squad and elevated them literally last year people to judge made pilgrimage Towel Sharpton. But don't worry guys there's no anti Semitic problem inside the Democratic Party by the way speaking of things that New York City could do to stop all this. How about you get rid of your idiot bail policy? They've now pushed bail reform in New York City. And it turns out when you don't hold criminals on bail. They go commit crimes who could have predicted such a thing who except for every functional sentient human being with a prefrontal cortex according into the New York. Post smell suspects. Arrested in last week's spree of eight anti Semitic attacks are quickly being released right back into the neighborhoods. They terrorized thanks to bail reform legislation. which doesn't even take effect until January first most reason case of revolving door justice came Saturday morning with the release with no bail of a woman charged with punching and cursing at three Orthodox Women Ages? He's twenty two twenty six and thirty one in Crown Heights Brooklyn at dawn the day before the accused assailant. Tiffany Harris was held in handcuffs before a Brooklyn Judge on twenty one menacing harassment and attempted assault charges. Fu Jews Harris allegedly shouted during the attack. Yes I was there Harris later admitted to the cops yes I slap them. I curse them out. I said F you Jews as she stood before a judge in Brooklyn Criminal Court with a hood to a Navy Blue Jacket over her head. Harris was in familiar territory. She still has an open harassment and assault case on the Brooklyn dock. It from November. Last month she was sentenced to jail. Time for felony criminal. Mischief in Manhattan. She's completely failed to show up for court. Appearances but Brooklyn. Prosecutors didn't even bother requesting bail on on Saturday given that the reform law approved April. Technically doesn't take effect until January. First BLASIO administration has made it clear. We only get in compliance with bail reform. Now they can't even hold these people on bail core committing crimes Harris broke into a grin when approached by reporter. Why do you WanNa know goodbye? She said had absolute insanity absolute insanity but welcome to left wing governance which is ruining major American cities across the country. Meanwhile there there is a there is another act of violence that that took the headlines for five seconds because once again it did not fit the media narrative and that was this attack at a Texas Church that happened over the holidays. What is apparently according to the Wall Street Journal a streaming video of Sunday church service in Texas at which a petitioner done down a shooter is rallying those who support making it easier for private citizens to bear arms gun rights advocates have long argued that more citizens have guns they can defend themselves and others in the event shooting on Sunday morning? Is that last Sunday. A gunman opened fire at West freeway. Church of Christ in white white settlements near Fort Worth. He killed two people before a prisoner. Who's part of a volunteer? Security Force fatally shot him and he can actually see this happen in the video. You can see the shooter. Her who arrives on scene start shooting at people and a bunch of people in the crowd. pull out guns and a security officer puts down the shooter and shoots the shooter. It was amazing. There are people on the left. Were tweeting yeah but the real threat was that there were people in the audience. Who didn't really know what to do with their guns? And we're unlicensed with their guns. That was the real threat. Obviously get this. Let's just say this if that Hanukkah party those attacked by a guy with machete if they'd been anyone anyone there with a gun it wouldn't be five people it would be one terrorist dead. That's what had been happening. What would have been happening? They're everyone who wishes to protect themselves and their communities should become a responsible gun owner should know how to use news coordinate with the authorities. They should they should do all appropriate things to defend themselves by the way speaking of idiocy again. The criminal justice system is broken but not in in terms of keeping people in jail too long all the time sometimes is broken in terms of this revolving door that we have with crime it turns out that the man who fatally shot two people at the white settlement church before being kill by church security was had a long criminal history and was described by. His ex-wife is battling a demon and not nice to anyone. The shooter is identified on Monday morning. By to law enforcement sources this is familiar with the investigation. NBC Five has learned that his criminal past included charges of assault theft arson and possession of an illegal weapon in Texas Oklahoma and New Jersey. What a what a delight A? It's just it's a it's unbelievable you said a revolving criminals. Then you're shocked when turns out that the criminals go and do terrible things things a meanwhile with all of this happening with all this turmoil internationally and domestically the Democrats are focused laser like on impeachment. They continue to move forward with impeachment although Nancy. NC Plus you still has not set forth a timeline as to win. She will convey the impeachment charges to the Senate remember. That impeachment was passed in the House but she is not actually pass that onto the Senate. There's an interesting legal going on right now over whether Mitch McConnell actually needs that there's nothing in the constitution that suggests the Nancy Pelosi number. One is compelled to hand over the impeachment in charges to McConnell. But there's nothing that says that McConnell can't hold a separate trial on the basis of those impeachment charges their public after and then just to quit so there's a debate over whether McConnell should do that right now or whether he just pointed Pelosi and say the reason she's holding his back is because she knows what's going to happen next. Meanwhile Rudy Giuliani continues to militate taste in favor of his own testimony which is presumably. The worst idea. That ever happened is a Mar-a-lago over the weekend suggesting that he would love to testify. which would be the worst possible idea because Rudy Giuliani is Is Not his own witness. Here's Rudy Maxa demonstrations like it so there is explaining that he would love to testify loved testified the Republicans would be fools do that. Meanwhile everybody in the country's countries already broken down into lines on this one. Everybody knows where they stand in the reason they know where the standards because this is not about what trump did or did not do with Ukraine. It is a generalized referendum on trump. Guess what we get to have generalized referendum on trump in just about eleven months here gate is fast approaching the election. Most Americans in the end want this to be decided by the American people they do not want this to be decided by Nancy Pelosi and crew they do not think that whatever the allegations rise to the level of getting rid of a sitting president. The only people who are in favor of all of this are people like Linda Ronstadt at who came out on. CNN and explained to Anderson Cooper who is busy getting brutally drunk on New Year's Eve in just gone wild on New Year's Eve with Andersen go at it confuses me as to why CNN thinks that this is good broadcasting or good idea your news network and you have your anchors making absolute mockeries of themselves on national TV. Do they think that it makes them seem fun. And whereas it make it seem like they might be out of touch with their actual jobs. You always you call yourself the most trusted name in News Inc James Earl Jones to do the voice over and then he got Anderson Cooper Auburn. Don Lemon getting blackout drunk on TV. Anyway here's Linda Ronstadt over the weekend explaining that president trump is the new Hitler. There are a lot of chances as Hitler rose to power that a lot the chances of to stop him and they didn't speak out and the industrial complex that they could control him once they got him in office and of course he was not controllable by the time it got established. He put his own people in place in the stack. The courts did what he had to do to consolidate his power. If you read the history won't be surprised. Exactly the same get you. You can find a common enemy for everybody to hate. When I was sure that trump was going to get elected to the day he announced and I said these? It's going to be like Hitler and the Mexicans or the new Jews News and sure enough. That's what he delivered. You know. The Mexicans are the new Jews really like a huge percentage of the American population is Hispanic. Nobody's being rounded up and putting boxcars ours is his so insulting and so stupid if you feel like this trump is of course. They're pushing for impeachment. Despite the fact they don't actually have the evidence for this. Meanwhile the Democrats are basically hoping that they can peel off a couple full of republican senators to cut against McConnell and drive for a quote unquote more even-handed impeachment effort impeachment trial in in the Senate. It's not really going to happen. Susan and Collins did say that she was open to having witnesses at trial hero. Susan Collins from Maine I am open to win. Says I think it's premature to to decide who should be called until we see the evidence that is presented and get the answers to the questions that we senators can summit through the chief justice to both sides. What I don't understand is why the house having issued subpoenas to Secretary Repond Peyot for example did not seek to enforce those subpoenas in court and instead rush to get the the articles of impeachment pass before Christmas and yet have not transmitted them to us in the Senate? Okay so people are reading this as Susan Collins. It's somehow cutting against McConnell. Listen that whole quote not really. She's basically saying yeah. Sure I'd like to see a trial but The House into its job so this is going nowhere everybody knows is going nowhere. It's all a Sham mm-hmm we can move on with our lives. By early February. This thing will be over and we'll be in primary season full swing by the way Bernie. Sanders raised a boatload of money. Dude is on the move. Watch out Democrats. You may nominate eminating actual open octogenarian socialist. Gay Time for a quick thing I like and then a thing that I hate so things that I like today as quick because as you all know I may large scale Star Wars Fan. I'm a Big Star Wars Geek. My kids are now super. Incest are worse like we got them nothing but stars gifts for Hanukkah and they could not be happier. I honestly yeah. I wish that the world will not such a terrible place particularly social media so I could pose videos my kids because it is adorable. I have the best video of my three year old son who's very tan. Pire strikes back. I know maybe a little old for him but he gets it he likes it and And they're they're many videos of me turning to him now and saying no I am your father and him saying that's not true. That's impossible and me saying search. Your feelings you know to be true and him going. No my kids are very end. Okay so I finally got a chance. A couple of nights ago derise skywalker. We're out of the country for a bit of vacation and And when he got back like I move my wife and I go to sea rise skywalker. Now if you've been familiar with the show at all you know I've been incredibly critical of the new trilogy. I don't like the New Jersey. I think it was unnecessary. I think they were fools. That tried to split the baby so there were two things they could have done. Originally I have to preface my take on rises skywalker with the other two movies because it doesn't work as a standalone film nor is it really meant to this film. Rise of SKYWALKER was designed specifically quickly to ret con meaning to go back in time and change the fact that force awakens and last year I ever happened. Gay Basically revises the entire story in a much more satisfying way has so. Here's my original take on this neutral AJI. There are two ways that Disney could have gone Disney number one could have recast the entire original return to Aja they could have recast. Somebody is luke somebody Laya recast. Somebody is as Han. which by the way they did they recast? Somebody is Andre. They'd solo they have recast the entire cast and then they could have just picked up a return of the jet. I left off with the admiral thron series which read any of the Star Wars books. Yes I have if you then. That's actually a really good storyline. And the could have just picked up where they left off and moved on into the future that way and had gotten all of their new adventures alternatively they could've landed the star wars universe in place and they're actually doing this on Disney plus with demand Laurean which is kind of great right demand. Laurean is really fun John Farrell Director. Then they could have gone back and they could have used some of these characters and put them somewhere else in the Star Wars Universe so does so Disney actually has done this with a couple of their other series right star wars clone wars. They did this and also star wars rebels and some of that stuff's really pretty fantastic. They could have done any of those things instead. Ed What they chose to do was split. The baby will introduce new characters but we'll live off the install job for the first films. You can't do that and the reason you can't do that is because if you're nostalgic for the first films you don't want to see bad things happen to your favorite childhood characters. no-one what spoiler alert. No one wants to see Han Solo die at the hands of his son like a loser. Divorced for stat after leaving Laya alone for twenty years and flying around the Galaxy Smoking Pot with Chewy in the Millennium Falcon. No one wants to see that. And that's what happens in force awakens. No one wants to see luke. Who is this hero? who goes from being wine teenager to being this mature Djeddai? WHO's able to control himself to save his father? Nobody wants to see Luke. Become a MISANTHROPE milks aliens on a foreign planet whining about his life and disparaging the tradition. No one wants to see that. So the new series basically took all of your favorite characters your favorite oh characters and proceeded to ruin them except for Laya because Kathleen Kennedy has this feminist streak where the only characters were allowed to be competent or good are apparently female characters so that that was as the critique of this trilogy basically took all of my favorite characters from childhood and they rep them said they could promote a bunch of characters. Who sucked okay? Ray was a terrible character because he didn't know not only you didn't know where she came from but she was amazing at everything right off the bat right. This was the biggest critique of the first part of his trilogy the biggest critique was that ray who had not not training a force for half a second was suddenly unbelievably good at it and Ben Solo Right Kylo Ren who is layers layers kit with on. WHO's been training with the force since childhood to it can be overtaken in a lightsaber battle by somebody who picked up a lightsaber half a second ago? Hey that's not a thing it's stupid and everybody who watched the series knew it was stupid. Meanwhile well you had. Po was utterly incompetent. They tried to create a new Hans Solo character. The difference is that Han Solo Empire strikes back the entire story impair strikes back is Hans Solo demonstrating that he is wildly competent and a lot of things. The entire Po Damron stories. The dude is wildly incompetent until he suddenly promoted to the head of the rebel alliance and then has no story arc at all his entire story. Arc is that he was stormtrooper. End of story ARC. Nothing happens to him for the next three movies so all of the new characters are completely boring. Random should've should've killed Finn in in last I when he makes that heroic run they should kill them off. They probably should've killed po in the last Jedi. They should have had him. Pull the admiral hold on maneuver her instead. They bringing the Laura dern to where weird hair and to a light speed trick that by the way if anybody could have figured that one out they go to blow up the death star that way like in star wars a new hope as well as returned the job so all this is preface to say I hated force awakens and I hated last night. Rise of skywalker is an attempt and to buy all of that back and understanding that this trilogy never should have happened an understanding all the flaws of force awakens and and last Jedi. Now you understand and why I liked rise of skywalker because they attempt to correct as many of these problems as they can while apologizing for the series over existing which is basically what this was so all of the stuff with Finn and Conan cares about all that stuff was dumb. No one cares about. Its waste of time. You have to do it. It's like the worst J.J. Abrams like the film. It's not a spoiler to say. The film opens with the Millennium Falcon light speed jumping which just turns it into like a silly prop it. It's it's ridiculous it's ridiculous. The entire empire strikes back which is the best star wars film the unquestionably. This is facts. This is known. Hey Empire strikes back is all about basically three maybe four topics. One is the Millennium Falcon. It's the entire thing in in empire. Strikes back is that the Millennium Falcons hyper drive is broken okay. That is the central plot device in this movie in the new movie and rises skywalker. The Millennium Falcon is falling on fire. And they fix it. Inside of five seconds flat all of it also empire strikes back is about Luke drawing and realizing that he is insufficient. Okay so that that's the other topic and also about Hans Solo being wildly competent Foale Po in thin. They're wildly incompetent. The Millennium Falcon is made into a proper. All that stuff is sorta worst of of J.J. Abrams the stuff. That's really good. Okay the stuff. That's really good is actually quite good. The stuff that's good is that they buy back on Solo's death they give him sort of a new exit scene where he's not being killed by his son where they cheat. He's he can't be forced goes because you'd have the force but he basically is a force goes he comes back that all these spoilers. Okay spoilers. You've you've been warned one thousand times. You don't want to hear about the movie yet. Don't listen a so Han. Solo comes back and he talks with Kyle and he basically wounds Kylo back lights out of the you find out that lay-up who uses the force in new and bizarre ways and last shot that are never explained like she literally pulls herself back into a ship after being blasted out into space. Where the the hell did that come from Lou Cazin? Even none that you're told in in this movie that Laya was trained as jet. I by Luke which makes sense right in the book. She actually is in book. She actually is. FRIEND HAS JANAE by Luke and that you decided not to become a judge at the last minute because she foresaw using the force that if she became a jet I then her lightsaber would be used to kill Ben case that that will make since they ret conned that and then the biggest con of all the one that actually matters and that answers why rate is cool ready to answer the question. Why Israeli even a thing and the answer is because she's palpitations eighteen granddaughter? which is fantastic? That's great reveal. That's great because the most underrated force ability person in the Star Wars series. Because everyone's focused on mannequin skywalker. Logon vader on Luke on layup on Yoda on OBI Wan. Nobody's focused on the fact at palpitations. An unbelievable bad ass with forthright. Palpitation is so strong in the force that he it basically defeats Yoda. He is able to conceal his identity as the emperor for three movies. They'll turn back into the dark side like palpitations and other bad ass and so they bring palpitation back from the dead which they sort of had to do Palestine's great character. They they bring in all the old musical cues they bring in all of the old stuff which stuff that I I like. So if you're an astrologer person if you're pissed at this series because you feel like a ruin your childhood than this. This movie was an attempt to restore that is an attempt to make Hong cool again. Fair- fairly successful. It was an attempt to make way cool again. Successful is an attempt to make luke cool. There's a great scene where Luke does even though he's dead right. Luke does this thing the Yoda's while he's alive and Empire Remember Empire. There's this call. There's the scene where Yoda raises the X. Wing from the swamp because fails to do so. Here Luke is able to do that as a force goes to hand over the X.. Wing direct. That's great the callback scene. Where they find the old death star from return of the jet? I and Ray has to confront herself. which is another call back to empire? And then when they're the plane the old musical cues and all that stuff is great what they do with Kylo Ren bring him back to. The whiteside is pretty. Great j.j Abrams does a great job in setting up a good reveal so for several movies. You've been seeing basically Kylo and ray four skyping one another they're you. They can talk over long distances in this movie they can actually Sword Fight SORTA telepathically but it has real world ramifications. One is in one place one is in the other place and they're having these lightsaber battles but it actually has physical ramifications in the places where they're having the lightsaber battles and so that ends with a really fantastic reveal and all that stuff is great so everything with Kylo everything with Ray. Everything with Palestine is Great. Everything with Leia and Han is really good like all that stuff is good fin. Po continued to be disposable all the other fringe characters end up being disposable. There is this lesbian moment. That's been much talked about. Because the very end of the movie they shall lesbian couple. It's obviously Disney. Trying to shoehorn in the okay. Glad we know you're there. It's very silly and it's very it's sort of like that moment. At the end of of the avengers infinity warmer all all the females land in one part of the battlefield new like okay really. was that like come on. Get into that sort of the same thing here. None of the couples are kissing except one couple. Like all right. I get it Disney. I get your I find you fulfilled your PC quota for the day. Whatever man but it's pretty shoehorned in? It's not a big deal. It's just silly but overall the critics are savaging. This film all tells you about critics. All you need to know is they gave the last Jedi ninety two percent on rotten tomatoes and they gave this fifty three percent. They didn't understand star wars yet. He didn't understand it. This movie understands better for this movie. Understands better how the weapons work. This movie understands better. The dynamics between the light and the dark side it understands palpitation. I've heard a lot of objections that this film basically makes the Skywalker vader interaction completely irrelevant. But that's true the minute that palpitation lives right. I mean the and by the way. That's the minute that the rebel lions fails sales once the republic falls into the store. Then that whole thing became irrelevant. The new trilogy made data relevant which is why they should have fast forwarded and taken it to some other part of the universe. But once you're in the trilogy would you. This was the best way to end it. Here's a little bit the trailer if you haven't already seen it you're doing. Their one. Looks my friend confronting fear ear your destiny. Okay so this is. It's sort of like return of the judge this one specifically because the part that you care about is all the stuff with the emperor and all the stuff fund on indoor doesn't matter as much that's pretty much this movie everything between Ray and Kylo and the emperor and all the old characters is great and everything else is disposable but good good for J.J. Abrams for at least trying to go back and on ruin everything that he ruined. Force Awakens Ryan Johnson then proceeded to wreck in last Jedi. Okay I know I went on a long time about stars but guess what tough. It's a new year. It's my show gets say would have won. So you know what we're GONNA start the New Year on an upbeat note. We're not GONNA do things I hate. I took forever talking about Star Wars but suffice say he liked the Old Star Wars. You should totally. You should totally see this one. It is definitely better than the last two in the series and everybody who's ripping on it didn't understand why the last two sucked already righty. We'll be back in a little bit later today to Hours of content including all of your election updates burn centers raising tons of money where we are in the polls Joe Biden stepping in it again. We'll gets all that two hours later today. Why should subscribe get twenty percents off today daily? WEAR DOT com slash. Subscribe to go make that happen. Otherwise we'll see you here tomorrow. I'm Ben Shapiro This Ben Shapiro show if you enjoyed this episode. Don't forget to subscribe. And if you want to help spread the word. 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