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Finding Purpose in Immigration Law to Make an Impact

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44:46 min | 3 months ago

Finding Purpose in Immigration Law to Make an Impact

"Thank you for listening to this episode of changes big and small. This is your host Damien each week. I share research or interview. Guess to help you make changes in your life. This season. The focus is on finding your purpose. Today, I have the great pleasure of interviewing a special guest Tamanna Watson is a seattle-based immigration attorney podcaster and activist for her communion to work. Samina was recently recognized as a 2020 woman of influence honoring by the project sound Business Journal. She is the founder of Watson implication law and founder of the Washington immigrants defense network terminal works with leading National Publications as a commentator and columnist and speaks around the country on immigration law and social justice issues. She serves as a national spokesperson for the American Immigration Lawyers Association and the chair of the response Committee of the Washington Chapter of Kile Tamanna also serves as a trustee of the board of King County Bar Association in Washington a past president of King County wage. Kind of women lawyers and a former board member of both the Asian Bar Association of Washington and Washington women lawyers in addition to being recognized for her work-life psbj. She's a recipient of the 2019 Aila president's Commendation award. Tamanna talks immigration podcast is available on Apple podcast and wherever you listen to podcast I listen to some of her episodes earlier today legal heroes in the Trump era is Taormina's second book, which was released off last week. You can find her an additional information by visiting Watson immigration law. And that link and all other things we talked about will be in the show notes. Thank you for joining me today. Tommy. Thank you so much. Me and it's so nice to be here and thank you for that lovely introduction. I appreciate it. Welcome. I wanted to make sure that I touch on so many of the difference. Things that you are doing and in fact, when I visited your website, I could see that you're doing even more than the things that I mentioned here. It's true. I imagine off either one of the most exciting things right now is that your second book is about to be released legal heroes in the Trump era tell us a bit about that book and what compelled you to write it. Thank you so very much. Yes. The book is actually coming out on Friday and the book is a compilation of stories from lawyers who have stepped up in the last four years wage includes the story of what I have done over the last four years as well as an immigration attorney. It's been a very exhausting and difficult time because this Administration office has implemented a lot of adverse immigration policies and as we look towards the future with a new election coming up soon. I was compelled to read These stories because there's a lot to learn from the past that you can use as you move ahead whether it's good days or bad days. And so my hope is that people particularly in America, but all around the world will be inspired by the stories of ordinary people who have been doing extraordinary things off or are you hope will read the book who's your target audience, you know, it starts with lawyers for sure because we are at a time in history where lawyers family need to protect the rule of law in this country as you might know America has gone around the world to make sure that the rule of law has established properly. Whereas wage in a time in history where the rule of law is in crisis right here lawyers have been trained in the rule of law to the ID off. She loved it. It's the basic framing of a society. And so when fundamental issues in a country is at stake people around the world have seen off the recent unrest that we have had in this country. We need lawyers for every aspect so my target audience firstly our lawyers, but really it's a song about anybody stepping up in crisis whether you're listening in America, you're in Europe somewhere or somewhere in a different part of the world. There are crises everywhere, you know, whether it's a climate change crisis whether it's a political crisis, whether it's a crisis that has been exposed because of the pandemic ordinary people will always step up they already exist but it's making sure that you the individual you who are hearing these stories and getting inspired to see what skills you can bring out and help people. They found it interesting that you went to school in the UK. So you went to the bar in the UK as well as in America. Is that right? That's right. So I was born and raised in the UK and then I got married to an American I moved here. And so then I had to take the bar exams all over again, but I was practicing law in the UK as a barrister for a short time before I moved here. I am you know, it's an interesting time everywhere exit is causing a lot of issues in the UK, you know immigration is clearly one of the top issues there as well. And and so my message is real life for people not just in America, but people around the world we need to come together and really need to be one. We need to be one in the humanity that we share off cuz ultimately that's what needs to be taken care of. And this connects directly to the work that you do as well. You have your own firm and previous to that you worked for four years as a partner in immigration law as well. What prompted you to open your own firm, long story short when I moved to the United States, I really actually did not want to practice immigration law, you know, I was a barrister in the UK doing trial work in the criminal courts and some civil work and I thought my past was in litigation, but when I moved to the United States, I realized the package way for Education was different for me and the legal system in America is very different from the UK people who don't live here for your audience. The United States has fifty states and each state has its own laws and then we have the overarching laws known as federal laws to practice in one state to another state to another often wage. To have a license for that particular State meaning that you have to then take the exams for that particular State. I took the new bar exams because it was something I could do having come out of Law School in the UK. I didn't have to go to law school again, but then that limited me in the areas of law. I could practice living in Washington state on the other side of the country but not aggression is federal law and it just very long story short. It landed on my lap after grappling with my own internal demons about I don't want to practice immigration law. I said, well, let me just do this for a little while and what's interesting is the very first day. I started practicing immigration law. I had this aha moment that this is what I was meant to do and until I accepted it it kept following me and following me and following me and the reason I love it so much. It is very intellectual dead. Challenging but you are actually seeing the impact on somebody's life immediately. You are also working with a variety of people from The Battered abused spouse often. It's a woman to the CEO who has invested a lot of money to open a business in the US hiring. Lots of people you get everything in between and when I filed a case and I get an approval the timeline could be maybe six months sometimes a little bit quicker, but you're seeing the impact on somebody's life but most rewarding experience is when somebody screams in your ear knowing that they just got their green card off the privilege to have that excitement to share with somebody where their life has completely changed and now in my office whenever there's good news to share I make sure that people off Team have the privilege of sharing that good news because it truly is a privilege to impact somebody's life where their livelihood their life. Their security stability is off. Now out of the concern they can now live their life. It's been a very rewarding Journey for the last fifteen years. That's so important and that directly connects to my next question, which is who are your clients? What do you do as an immigration lawyer? We hear about immigration lawyers and we might guess but if you could tell us from your own perspective, yeah. Well, that's a really good question, Thank you. And it's one of the most basic things that it's difficult to understand what we do on a very basic term. It's really somebody who wants to either live or work in the US somebody wants to come home and find a pathway to stay here for longer than just 90 days as Europeans do or work here whether it's for a short time or a long-term the way I describe it is I'm either unite song Loved ones, or I'm helping people create dreams as well as fulfil their own Dreams by opening businesses or hiring voice. And so the brought our times are family-based immigration and employment based immigration and within employment based often. It's people who are investing and so when somebody calls me the typical question is what do you what do you want to work here don't live here. If you want to live here. What are your connections? Do you have any loved ones? Who are they are those the people that can sponsor you potentially often? It's a spouse or a fiance or a child or a parent and one myth. I think it's very important for your audience to know because we have a president who uses words out of context and the understanding is family-based immigration is really immediate relatives parents children spouses. Sometimes siblings, but could describe it as Bullseye. Yep. Side the direct relation and only those people can come in and on the outskirts really siblings as well as children who are married and have their own children, but that's it. And so when a president came into office he started to use the word chain migration and nobody really knew what chain Recreation was. But chain migration was in a commonly used word. It's really family-based immigration. He started to put a derogatory connotation to it, but it really is a media family and how long it takes to get here depends on the distance of the relationship from the example of the buffet. The other category is employment-based where somebody will say. Hey I have businesses in South America or Europe or South Asia. I want to open a branch here or somebody will already be an American business owner saying hey, I have an employee who lives in Korea. I want to home. That person and so employment based is often really finding a Visa categories to suit that particular situation. Now America doesn't have that many of these categories and you might have heard of each one be Visa. It's the most popular professional Visa. But you know, I also helped entertainers who are musicians or dancers home in a privilege to help a lot of Bollywood actors and entertainers but also religious workers people who are coming here to be priests or imams rabbis and teach religious education. And so that's how I get the experience of working with so many different types of people with different backgrounds. It didn't enriches my team. It definitely enriches our country connected to that. What do you wish Americans knew about immigration, you know, the first thing I would want everybody to home. Preciate is America is a land of immigrants. If you are not Native American your ancestors came from somewhere potentially from Europe often. They came here because religious persecution. And so when immigrants came here and I will ask your audience to perhaps if they're curious about like in history. There is a documentary series called America The Story of Us. I wrote my first book it was published in 2015, but I wrote it in 2015. It's cool to start up visa visa for people who are starting companies and we don't have a specific one for it. But at the time I watched this documentary almost as a special occasion for myself, and it's a beautifully made documentary with animation and beautiful Graphics, but it's a snapshot of where America. Started immigrants came to this country where they had seeds that they basically started trade and all of that led to what we have today off. And so if there's one thing I want to Americans all Americans to appreciate is that where immigrants no matter how many generations you have been here? And we all my contributions some of the things that they don't remember or even know is that some of the common things that we have in America that are now global names are created of immigrants if you think about Levi's jeans Levi's came from Europe. There is the department store called Nordstrom here. It's a very popular luxury brand Department thought he was Swedish who came here you and I are wearing headphones, but there is a name called bows in the electronics World very famous. He's an immigrant who starve Those in America if you think about this pandemic that we're living in the modern-day example, people are using WhatsApp to communicate around the world that was founded by an agent. So the fabric of this country is intertwined with immigration stories, and it's very important that people appreciate it. If you appreciate it. You know that you can grow this and make us all flourish if we all do well we all do well and we're at a time in this country where there's so much divisiveness off that people forget their roots and it's all about what is in it for me. But if you expand your thoughts and you think about everybody you all do well, so I want people to remember that Collective growth is very very important. Yeah. I remember being startled one time sitting at a dinner table in the media. I was on birth Holiday, and I was sitting at the table with people from different places including some white Australians and at some point the conversation went to immigration and they started bemoaning the fact that there are so many Asian immigrants in Australia and I was flabbergasted eventually said to them it's amazing that you're making these complaints you are not Aboriginal people. How is it possible that you don't value immigration? I find it fascinating that people very quickly can become removed from that history and Miss even their own place in history in terms of the fact that the benefits from the ability for their parents and their grandparents and great-grandparents to have emigrated. That's right. So if you were to expand this message that you just gave for Americans and you've Lived in many places you have history with also. Is it India or Pakistan or its Bangladesh? My parents are from Bangladesh is Bangladesh. I'm sorry. So you have a history of Bangladesh. I noticed that you spoke Hindi and Urdu very proud a broken, but I can understand how would you expand that message to a global audience in terms of immigration? What Tommy I'm thank you so much for asking that question and giving me the opportunity to address it. My hope is that the book will have that message for people around the world and it's worth one message, you know immigration truly is a global issue. If you think about the pandemic that we're all suffering from, you know, all of us are indoors wherever you are in the world it started with one tiny little virus in Wuhan China tiny that you can't even see with your eyes and here we have a pandemic that song. Phone is an example of how connected we are. There's not even Six Degrees of Separation anymore. We are connected so deeply that this should be a wake-up call that we all need to care for each other and that leads to climate change climate change is a global issue that is displacing people all around the world from one place to another if you think about Europe people are, you know, taking any boats and trying to get from one continent to another because they want to stay alive the borders of America if people are fleeing violence to just stay alive. You mentioned Bangladesh. My parents home country climate change is a big problem. I lived in Bangladesh for a little while and I remember learning at school that Bangladesh would be under water at some point because that's what climate change will do. I'll just keep the example of America just recently in California wildfire. Burning Down the state in Washington state where I live not only are we stuck indoors because of pandemic we couldn't go out because the air quality was so bad. These are examples of where I live but they're examples everywhere pollution in China, for example, the deserts and what-have-you in Africa. We are so connected that we have to make sure that there are some Global solutions to what to do with people who are displaced and welcome them immigrants don't want a handout. You know, Canada is a good example of how they treat immigrants every Refugee that is found a home somewhere else in a different part of the world are not looking for handouts. They're working hard and contributing to the economy. I I once had somebody on my own podcast called Tamina talks immigration who was the director of international rescue committee and that organization helps refugees settled in America wage. She gave an example and statistic that for every $1 that our government spends on a refugee that Refugee is actually contributing three to four dollars to the economy is totally a different way of looking at Refugee as an economic solution to various problems. So my messages we need a global solution to what immigration needs to be not necessarily open borders because every country has its own issues there needs to be some Pathways to make sure that there are not necessarily open orders, but there needs to be more welcoming policies so that somebody who is dying across the world whether it's from a cyclone or a hurricane. That's May 4th hurricane destroying, you know, you're from the Caribbean what happened in 2019 over there. These coastal countries are going to be suffering from hurricanes like yep. Never seen before just like America suffering from wildfires. So climate change is truly one of the most important issues to address because not only the world is affected and we need to protect it. But it has all these other correlating issues of what I often say is that it's all a system. Right? And so none of us in isolation from each other, even when we would like to pretend that we are again. And again, we keep getting the message that we are not we are connected to each other. We need to start listening to be able to make the world safe for everyone. That's right. That's right. You mentioned taking the opportunity to share successes with everyone on your team. How do you deal with discouraging events? There must be times when things don't quite pan out the way that you would like or you see what's happening in America job. And elsewhere in the world and it is quite discouraging or uninspiring. How do you cope with that? That's a really profound question and I'll give you two different examples of situations one maybe within my team where I have a case that might have issues and what I do on a macro-level, may I see despair in the world? I want to preface it with 2018 was a turning point for me where I realized mental health is incredibly important issue because when you are thrown into chaos and stress constantly you as a human being are not going to be able to function to the fullest affect your potential. I started to take meditation lessons because I realized that the immigration policies were so adverse that they were affecting everyone of my clients home. And I realized that the stress was overwhelming and I needed a find a way in which I could deal with the stress on my own and I wasn't reflecting on others because that's what happens. Everybody has a vibration or whatever energy that you're putting out whether it's good or bad. It affects your surrounding and so I made a conscious effort to change myself within wage and that is really how I have now learned to deal with crises whether it's smaller internal ones or bigger ones. And so let's take an example of something discouraging it with my team. I will first try not to react immediately and get upset. It's very easy to do that. But you have to constantly work on that. But once you've taken the step back to see what the problem is, then you can actually try to see what is the solution. What is the first solution? What is the second solution? What are the legal issues? I need to research and figure out a way to fix it and present the song. Into the client and then work with the client and sometimes the problems are such that you can't do anything and then it's about a mindset depending on what the situation is, but I'm making sure that you find a solution there is the glass is half-full or the glass is half empty and I always choose to see the glass half-full. There was a lesson to learn in whatever that issue was we learned from that make sure we solve whatever is at hand and move on to make sure that we have learned from that lesson and to then implemented the next situation now on a more macro situation where we have a society in despair. Again meditation helps and this is something that I would encourage wherever you live in the world. The pandemic alone is something that is stressful people have lost jobs, wherever you live in the world. There's food insecure achieved as housing and security. It's everywhere not just America, so I have found that you've got to make sure that you find ways to deal with stress off. And so if you are not helping yourself internally, you simply cannot help externally and so I come back to that on a global level and the macro level and then on how to view the despair that we see writing. The book was one Outlet to make sure people knew that there are good people in the world if everybody looks within themselves to find the good and brings out that share a little bit of it. We don't have to spend a lot of time. What is interesting is that you really have to log? Make sure that you don't lose hope. You have to have hope if you do not have hope you cannot put One Foot In Front Of Another no matter what your difficulty is, whether you're dealing with an illness affect the set limits your time on Earth or if you're dealing with something about a loved one or if it's a bigger one about what's going to happen to our country. You've got to have hope is that one of the things that drives you because as I mentioned earlier you do a lot and one of the things that I notice you're also involved with the seattle-based non-profit group that helps battered women of South Asian background. How did you get involved in that work? The organization's name? Is AP Kya Asian Pacific Islanders and try I mean shelter. I've been a volunteer with them for as long as I've been in America the way I got involved is to wage. Since when I was living in in London when I lived and worked and studied their I volunteered at a similar organization called legal rights for women, they would provide legal advice wage women on the phone who had various different issues to deal with and I was looking for an organization like that to volunteer with when I moved here and I also didn't know anyone like the the typical immigrant story. Mine is not different I moved from one country to another I left everything that I knew and I had to start again, but I wanted to start with thoughtful purpose and that I found the things that I feel are important for the values that I hold in helping people. It's broadened as my experience as a grown but my passion at the time and still is women and children tire was one of those organizations, but it also helped me find friends track. Three family when you're an immigrant and you move to a different country friends become your family. It's an organization that is very needed. I've been here for fifteen years. I moved from England and about fifteen years is a long time fifteen years is also enough time to see the changes in demographic in society and fifteen years ago. This organization was even more important because people didn't speak all the languages and didn't have organizations that catered towards one particular demographic. And so I feel very privileged to be able to volunteer with an organization like this in those situations often. There is a bit of Taboo in terms of who can you speak to who can you trust and so I think it's so important to be able to help women that look like you that look like us of course anybody can help but I think it does matter to be able to have somebody else. That's you feel this connection with and sometimes background ethnicity does come into play. That's true. One of the other things that happened when I started volunteering with the organization. I didn't necessarily know I was going to be practicing immigration law, but in immigration law, I found a connection between these organizations off because often the women that I was helping and sometimes still help needed that help to either leave in where to get shelter or food and what have you and knowing the language culture. All of those issues are very important. Why can you not speak to your parents about the abuse that's happening back in India or Pakistan. I have to say I have a happy story in that. I was helping a Pakistani woman. Who does she been in the US for ten years had a child with her husband, but couldn't speak a word of English did a job. How to ride the bus didn't know how to do anything because her husband brought her over told the family that he's getting married, but on people wasn't actually I'm not married in the US and essentially used her as a slave eventually she was able to leave that relationship and when I saw her two years later, I couldn't recognize her. She seemed like a different woman. She was smiling. She was confident waiting for the bus speaking in English saying thank you for helping me. I'm out walking my child to school and and that's part of the screaming on the phone example and somebody something has a green card and they have freedom to do whatever they want to do the stepping stone to get to where they need to go. Thank you for sharing that story that experience of somebody that you worked with. I also read that to you recently served on the Mercer Island School District diversity advisory committee. What's that? About? Oh, thank you for asking. It's interesting. It's probably one of my proud non lo involvements I children go to the schools in this area and I am very honored when I was invited to be part of the superintendent's advisory committee, and it was interesting because it was an eye opener. Not a school any school not just to school where I live a school anywhere in the world is a mini example of society where children of different backgrounds different languages. I lived in Bangladesh. I lived in London and they obviously live here in Seattle, but people wherever they live there's always something that can be a distinguishing Factor whether it's religion or language or how you look what I learned from this experience long as schools where we need to instill the values we want to now society and I was very privileged to be part of the diversity wage as we committee which was so thoughtfully created with people from different backgrounds so that the school could meet modern dead. Needs I told you I've been here for fifteen years and the demographic has changed and grown and become more diverse systems also need to evolve to meet those. It's nice but you can't evolve those structural issues without having the guidance of how to do it. And so I was very very lucky to have that experience being part of a school district. That is so caring and thoughtfully conscious about making those changes and it made me realize that children often where we want to instill those values as the pandemic had begun. I started a little mini meditation group. I wanted my children to learn it, but I watch them to do it with their own friends and so between March and June I organized with a friend of mine a daily meditation session for many kids over zoom. We're dead. 410 meditation teachers from different parts of the world who donated twenty minutes a day for three months and it's because I believe if we can install these values in children off on next generation will be able to handle the complexities that we are throwing up them. That's wonderful. I think that is so important because of the C, especially at Young ages children really do reflect the values of their families of the communities that they're growing up in would you say that you are living your purpose. I think I finally am think I'm obviously still looking for my purpose but my purpose for the moment is to use my skills. My knowledge can see my background. I'm being alignment with what I'm supposed to do, which is to use all of these for the betterment of people and using that knowledge to potentially make changes in immigration. that helps not just people but the country you need to make sure there's a balance and as I mentioned as an economic benefit to immigration if I just take a message and As an example we have about forty million people out of work who are the brink of potentially losing their homes. If they haven't lost them already know if you've seen use articles, there are so many people in America who are waiting in line for food stamps and food banks. This is a song very challenging time in America and immigration is a way to actually create jobs bring in the people who can start Innovative companies and how many people I think I would love to be able to be part of a global immigration solution. I don't know what that looks like that could be part of what my purpose is, but really to have a bigger impact and making sure that when I leave this world my contributions are felt and remembered and my children carry on Lovely Do you have a Challenge or a request or a call to action for listeners. Yes. I do. Actually, I want them all to read my book to start with so that they can get inspired. The book is called Legal heroes in the Trump era Be Inspired expand your impact change the world read wage ordinary people have been doing and these are mother's these are lawyers and these are fathers and the parental Instinct truly is something that propels need to do more so that your children can have a better world. So read the book and be inspired and then find whatever it is within you that is a skill that you can use to help people don't sit back. This is not a time in history in the world to sit back find a way where you can make a contribution to your local community. It doesn't have to be something big grass. Roots efforts can make a big impact. So my call to action is find the problems that really bug you and find the skills that you have that you can contribute of fixing it. That's very important because you know the story about somebody anybody and nobody yeah where we expect somebody else to do something when really each of us down to our part. So thank you for suggesting that what would you say is your superpower? That's a really great question. Nobody's really asked me that question. My superpower is actually being a month. I think being a mother and I think most mothers would agree. Is that the love within you? Expand so much that you just never knew that you could love so much and that love really propels me to make the world better for them. But also love for everyone it grows. So everything that I do emanates from the love for my children and so I will actually say being a month is my superpower. Wonderful. How can people support your work and connect with you? I would love people to support my work. I think the immediate support I need is to make sure the message of the book is out there everywhere wherever you can share it they can buy it and read it and share it if you feel inspired and you have changed one life tell me about it. I want to know them and you have probably done a lot already tell me these are legal Heroes. I know but there are lots of legal Heroes that I know of from afar, they couldn't make time for in the book but there are lots of different Heroes doctors and nurses are heroes at the moment wherever they are in the world endangering their lives to save people in hospital quarantining themselves from their own children and family. They're Heroes the firefighters who are fighting the wildfires in Washington state. They are heroes. If you think about the people who go to these hurricanes won't place. Isn't giving a we're all doing something but more needs to happen because the challenges are growing people can find me on my website, which is Watson immigration law dodge.com, but hand-in-hand with the book. I just started a website called to me that Watson. Com easy to remember first name last name. And they can follow me on Instagram. My name is an immigration law firm has the page on Facebook. I also have Twitter. I don't write as much on Twitter, but you can only contact me on that. I feel like it's a timer history where if you're thinking that you need to do something. It's way past time you've done something. So don't sit around anymore find it and do it. I like the subtitle on your book as well where it says Be Inspired expanded impact to change the world, which is really what this is all about. Thank you. Yes to finish up. What was a recent book that you read that you would recommend my gosh. I love audiobooks. I absolutely love them. What's interesting is I only discovered them three years ago. I mean they have existed, of course, you know for many many years, but I I couldn't figure out how you switched from a book that you've opened and you hold to actually reading a Kindle and I got used to reading Kindles. Then I was like Wow Kindles are great ebooks are great because I can have hundreds of books and just the palm of my hand, but then I had children and I started working and I got involved and I don't have time to read I lost brain cells. They you know, I read one page and then I go back to it five days later forgetting what I read. I just don't have time but three or four years ago. I started to commute. I'm somebody who hates wasting time and I kept saying who what can I do when they commute What do people do can I drop documents? Can I work when I'm and I realize that I can listen, so I was listening to the radio and then I started to listen to podcasts and I didn't quite get the podcasting even though I was doing radio myself and that's when they discovered books and to me initially it was just while it was driving and then the book was so engaging I thought oh, I can clean the dishes while listening and then I realized oh my gosh, I can fold the laundry while listening to this book and I have to say one of my proudest accomplishments is really getting all of my family into audiobooks the older one. She's only allowed to listen to books. She's read dead. But she loves with listening to books and our happy place is being in the kitchen baking and listening to books recently. My husband started to listen to books and now we can you know, listen to books together. And in fact, she guy writes a note in memory of Ruth played against in my book where I describe a story of us listening to her book an interview with her while we were driving on vacation. I love books. It's interesting. I've learned that what you listen to is also about taste and I've gotten into meditation. So I listen to a lot of books about meditation. But I've also listen to a lot of books about self-improvement. One of my recent favorites is something my editor had suggested the book was called you are a badass written by Jen sincero, but I listen to a lot of immigration stories. There was a recent book that I highly recommend called The Almighty. I forget I'll have to send it to you. Okay, but one of my other job Favorites was something called the shock Doctrine written by for Naomi Klein. It's a book that's actually ten years old. But as this Administration was changing immigration policies, and I was looking down the road about what this means. I realized that this Administration strategy. Is really to keep all the people on our toes keep us in fear and keep us in stress so they can make big changes at the shock Doctrine really describes something called disaster capitalism where often the handful of rich people at the top will look for disasters to capitalize on that was one of my first books. I listen to that just totally captivated me and I've not stopped since that but love audiobooks highly recommend it and I'm a big fan of self-improvement. Wonderful. Thank you so much for making time to chat today. It was fabulous chatting with you. Yeah. Thank you so much. I mean you've asked a lot of very profound questions that way I don't often think about it just do so. Thank you for bringing it out of me and thank you for having me on your show. I hope your audience will enjoy the book and perhaps listen to my podcast to me. Mina talks immigration and if people have questions, I'm always happy to connect I feel as though I can't know enough people. I hope you've been inspired by this episode of changes being and small. I invite you to leave a five star review for the podcast for any of the episodes that you truly enjoyed. You can leave the review wherever you listen to changes big and small every week. I share additional resources in the check if she's big and small Facebook Community come join us and invite a friend that you think will also benefit from encouragement and support remember change begins with one small step half a great week.

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There were churches and cities offering shelter and sanctuary. Why was everyone on edge? Gosh so this has been a build up of several weeks at this point. President trump is promising a mass crackdown on undocumented immigrants that could include families with children. We start with a tweet from president trump a few weeks ago warning that his administration start rounding up millions of undocumented people writing the immigration and customs enforcement will begin removing quote millions of illegal aliens next week that particular Operation Shen got pushed back to Sunday of this week and we again got a little bit of advance notice from you know sources that were leaking and also from the president who confirmed it. We typically don't get advance notice of operations from ice but in this case there was a lot of advance notice saying that some operation was coming. Okay so it started with millions of people are going to be rounded up then it came down to thousands or hundreds how many people were actually rounded up yesterday or over the weekend first of all we always knew it was never gonna be millions. Ice Operations always build a target list of several thousand knowing that they're not GonNa get everyone on that list so they put together lists for various regions and say these are the people we want to primarily go after but as of now we have no reports of sort of widespread operations or tons of arrests happening on Sunday. Do we know why they didn't happen is because people were expecting them. I don't know that we should frame it. As why did they not happen. This was always marketed as starting Sunday but it was never only Sunday these things typically last five days. If ice is going to go through the trouble of making target list typically they do a little bit of surveillance. They try to figure out. Do we know this person's routine. Is there a good time to intercept them. Perhaps people that they're observing. Don't leave the house much on Sundays but on Mondays they go to work and perhaps they have a plan to pick them up on their way to work then there's also the factor of all the mobilization that was done in the advocacy community and so they're also maybe a combination of factors. Here's the people not answering the door staying with relative going underground knowing that this is happening all of the above how much of this actually changed under the trump administration how much of this is new you know under this administration we have actually Ashley seen arrest levels and deportation levels fairly comparable to the Obama administration that said total numbers aside. We have seen this administration going after more non-criminal immigrants so people who do not have criminal convictions and even more who don't even have criminal charges although charges are just charges they have not been proven in court yet but it's still mostly criminals who are picked up by ice. It's down to something like like sixty to seventy percent but still sixty to seventy percent criminals bullets up with the non-criminals. More non-criminals are being detained now right yet. The reason that the number of non-criminals is going up is because they're doing two things differently gently one. They're prioritizing people who have what's called a final order of removal or a deportation order. What they say is a lot of these people have them quote unquote in absentia meaning? They were not in court when that deportation deportation order was given the other thing is that ice has much more free rein under this administration to have what are called collateral arrests meaning they show up at someone's door under the Obama Administration they were under instructions ends to focus on their targets and prioritize the people that have been prioritized under this administration. They may start asking everyone in the home about their status and arresting anyone in the home who is without status so that has also also partly driven up the numbers so overall. It's not like we're seeing hugely. Skyrocketing numbers of arrests were not seeing tons more deportations. What we're seeing is a different population of people in a different mix of? The people being caught up in Isis not and more and more of them could be families could be parents could be you know unfortunate bystanders who happen to be in the wrong place and got caught up by US okay. We've got two ways. The trump administration is shifting deportation priorities one targeting more people who weren't in court when they were ordered to be deported and to allowing ice to expand their targets when they knock on indoors correct who's the target of these raids specific to this operation what we have been told by ice is that they would like to go after a population of families who are part of what has been called an expedited added docket or colloquially the rocket docket that was set up specifically just for families that are arriving at the southern border and with this did was basically put all those cases to the front of the line and Immigration Court because because the administration said we want to send a message to families that are coming that they're not going to just be allowed to stay so they moved all the cases to the front of the line. This is something like sixty thousand cases of those a fraction fraction roughly eleven thousand were completed in absentia meaning that in order was given when the family was not present for a court hearing on Thursday the A._C._l._U. filed this preemptive lawsuit arguing that the targets of ice raids should be allowed a day in court are the targets of ice rates not allowed a day in court so it depends if you do not already have something on your record heard you do still get a day in court if however the person that they're picking up has one of these final deportation orders technically that means they went through the court process will A._C._l._U. is saying is it really was not like that. You know many many of these individuals may have simply moved they get a court notice to appear but it goes to the wrong address and they have no idea and they never show up. It can be something like that. What the A._C._l._U. is saying is that just because an immigrant has a final order removal in absentia does not mean that they were given a fair court process contrary to what the administration is saying and they were petitioning to have that sort of factored in to give all of these immigrants a chance to Sir free open their case? If you actually get a trial if you get to have a day in court as an asylum seeker who's in the process of being deported. How difficult is it to navigate the court system? The short answer is very difficult just for one second of very much of a step back think about the fact that most of these people were talking about arriving at the southern border come from remote parts of Central America. They definitely don't speak English. Many of them don't even speak Spanish. They speaking indigenous language. They come from places where you know quote unquote. Federal authorities can often be working with gangs. You know hand in hand. They're incredibly skeptical of their government's ability to protect them. They've I've never actually been in real court. They get to the U._S.. They're thrown into you know our court system problem is these cases take years to work their way through the system so it's going to be disorienting even in the most friendly setting for many of these immigrants and it's an incredibly difficult process. How much difference does having an attorney make it makes a big difference? Actually the administration's big plaint is that all these immigrants don't show up for their hearings. Well north of ninety percent of immigrants show up for their hearings if they have an attorney according to some of the research that's out there so you know whether or not actually makes for for a successful outcome. It certainly makes for a better process in honestly it makes for a better process for both sides of the equation because it's easier for the judges and the quote unquote prosecutors which in this case our ice attorneys if the immigrant has an attorney to explain to them what is happening along the way and say this is when you need to be in court. This is what we're going to do that day you don't get scared off by the craziness of this the likelihood of the process completing itself and not generating some appeal that ten years later reopened the case are much much much higher if you have an attorney and then some cases are still unsuccessful asylum law is very complicated and you have to establish a lot of things you know. It's not simply you know. My neighbor was trying to kill me because we got into an argument. I can't go back. That's probably not going to be enough for an asylum claim even if it might be a really terrible story and so so they're not all successful but the process is by far more likely to work if there's an attorney representing quicker what exactly happens after someone's picked up by ice what they go. How long are there? What stands between them and deportation? I'm going to ask immigration attorney after the break if you run a business but you're not really into the marketing side of things mail chimp wants to help with they're all in one marketing platform a platform that allows you to manage more of your marketing activities. He's from one place so you can market smarter grow faster. This platform eliminates the need for multiple tools by giving you everything you need to create and publish and manage and measure your marketing campaigns. It's it's powered by a good old marketing C._R._M.. Customer Relationship Management System so you can collect an organized and understand all of your audience data Milton's complete marketing platform has everything you need to start marketing your business business today and while you're off managing your business multiple be there to help you as your business grows and needs new capabilities learn more about this whole deal at male chimp dot com. Let Mel Chimp help you markets smarter smarter much <hes> okay so let me have you say your name and what does he do. My name is clavicle. I'm the litigation director for the capital Area Immigrant Rights Coalition <hes> otherwise known as care coalition where a D._C.. Based nonprofit <hes> but we provide legal services to people who are detained in Maryland and Virginia and can you all represent immigrants who have been detained by ICE. What exactly happens right after ice shows up well when somebody gets arrested <hes> usually it's a couple of officers who <hes> arrest that person and they bring them into a field office or a local office where Isis set up and they can book them for booking could be anywhere between two hours or several hours and booking would it really entails is going through taking the person's fingerprints reprints asking them questions comparing their biometric data to anything in the system to see if they already have a case ongoing they transport you to the jail that they've identified? It could be a jail within an hour or away or could be a jail three four hours away from the local field office so it could be eight to nine hours until finally that person gets to a place where they can call someone and then once they get to jail all their properties confiscated for skated they usually are given a onesie and then they're given some basic toiletries and they get a caught and this is just the trial period the first stage of a legal case it could be anywhere between the month to six months. A month of the person doesn't fight to stay six months or longer. If the person you know is applying for something like asylum and it could be longer if the person appeals so I've had clients in fact. I have a client right now who is getting to his third year in detention. It sounds a lot like criminal court but it's important to remember here that this is actually a civil proceeding. It smells like it feels like it looks like criminal court but it civil people come in with jumpsuits and shackles. I mean like when we talk about civil court. We're talking about like a divorce proceeding right. We're talking about People's Court. Remember People's Court the show sure so. That's very civil court where you have a a dispute. Perhaps with your neighbor over trash. That's civil court right what happens after arrest in these situations the second phase of this process which is okay. How can I fight my case and and what I usually tell people when I go inside the jails and give the rights as people fall into three basic categories category one? This is your first time having an encounter with ice so those people generally are gonna see an immigration judge. That's guaranteed either GonNa go to immigration. Court seem sort of straightforward category to the second type of category of people are people who have what is called a final order of deportation that means that at some points an immigration judge ordered them removed and they didn't leave. We've <hes> it could be for various reasons that they were ordered removed and they have to figure out how to reopen that proceeding to get to immigration court. They have to fight to get to immigration court right. We heard about that one in the first half of the show. You've been asked to leave. Maybe no you didn't know maybe you did but you haven't left and now you're fighting to stay. What's the third category that third category as somebody who was previously deported and then <hes> is now back in the United States <hes> those people are in a the type of situation that's going to be called reinstatement where they reinstate the removal order from before and try to deport them fast again but those people because our laws allow Laufer nonrefoulement we can't send people back who are afraid to go back to their countries? Those people can can fight again to get to immigration court by going through a credible <hes> a reasonable fear interview process basically an interview with an asylum officer and if they pass that interview they get to go to immigration court and try to play for protection something like asylum these. Three scenarios first time in Immigration Court deportation orders been issued and you're trying to fight the stay or you've already been deported. Now you've come back. These scenarios aren't new. What's changed for you as an immigration attorney with this administration's increased scrutiny on asylum and immigration? I think for me as an immigration attorney I've been practicing over a decade now so through three administrations Bush Years Obama years is now trump years and I would say that the most difficult aspect of representing asylum-seekers at this moment is that they keep changing the laws they keep changing the case song from literally one day to the next and then the other aspect of it is that they keep <unk> limiting legal access. You know I've had experiences in the last two years where I was told. My staff was told at organization that we could not enter the jails in Maryland at all my personal opinion is I think regardless of how difficult or how much President Bush and President Obama were pushing for the deportation removal of of people when I was a lawyer under their administrations there was clear idea of what due process was of what the case law was. There wasn't so much shifting from one day to the next right. I guess we saw an example that just this morning the trump administration says it's is going to create a rule that requires asylum seekers who pass through another country on their way to the U._S.. Mexico border to I claim asylum in that first country what would help lawyers like you navigate a system with rules like these that are changing that are in flux immigration law. Even though there's immigration courts the immigration courts are staffed by judges that our officers their employees of the Department of Justice which is under the executive branch that means it is in essence the same agency WHO's trying to deport that person ice is under the same umbrella right the executive branch that the judge works for and so that means the immigration courts are more susceptible to political back and forth so are you saying that ice and immigration judges are following the same any mortars. What I'm saying is that Isis under the Department of Homeland Security the immigration judges are under the Department of Justice? They're both agencies under the executive branch under this administration and another past administrations like the Bush shears <unk> generally those agencies have been seen as enforcement tools as enforcement agents so people think a judge they think an impartial person who's GonNa hear their case and make make an objective in partial decision but that's different when the same administration that's trying to deport these people under a very specific political ideology is now in charge of that immigration court system so in essence. It's not a real impartial immigration court in fact the Union of immigration judges the federal bar the A._B._A.. Ayla the American Immigration Lawyers Association all wrote a letter recently asking Congress is please please please these immigration courts make them independent in our view. The immigration courts must be moved out of the Department of Justice to ensure that judges have Foale decisional independence without fear of reprisal more improper political influence that was Hillary Bass testifying in front of Congress last year at at the time she was the president of the American Bar Association. We reached out to the Department of Justices Executive Office for immigration review to ask about cloudy argument that the Immigration Court should be made independent of the executive branch that an independent system would be fair and better functioning. They declined an interview but wrote in an email that the financial costs and logistical hurdles to implementing an immigration court system would be monumental and would likely delay pending cases even further and it's such a change would do nothing to address the pending backlog of cases rather the backlog would just grow even faster with less accountability and less oversight. They also stressed that since immigration judges decide ED cases that implicate questions of foreign relations it helps to keep them close to the attorney general who operates under presidential supervision. I'm Sean Rama's firm. This is today <music> mm-hmm. Thanks to mail Jim for supporting the show that you might be thanking.

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Surge of US cases raise fear that virus progress is slipping.

THE NEWS with Anthony Davis

06:53 min | 7 months ago

Surge of US cases raise fear that virus progress is slipping.

"Coming up on five minute news. Trump to sign order halting visas for foreign workers. SURGE OF US virus cases raises fear. That progress is slipping. And climate crisis poses serious risks for pregnancy. It's Tuesday June twenty three. I'm Anthony Davis. The White House announced yesterday that president. Donald Trump plans to sign an executive order that will freeze new visas for foreign workers through the end of the year, citing the need to preserve jobs amid the economic downturn caused by the covid nineteen pandemic, the suspension of those categories is in addition to the halting of visas on April twenty second for set and family members of green card holders. Pez University professors and people seeking work in food processing, such as agricultural seafood are exempt from the visa suspensions. The official said trump it also offs the Department of Homeland. Security State and Labor to work on regulations that will have a permanent impact such as ending work permits for many asylum seekers and ending the lottery system for H. One B. Visas. The sweeping new policy is a win for immigration hardliners in the administration who have pushed to bring down the overall numbers of immigrants admitted to the country for years. Even before the pandemic, it's likely to meet backlash from the business community, which has lobbied against restricting the hiring pool for US companies in all the White House claims that five hundred, twenty, five thousand American jobs will be saved or created by the executive order but there. There is no evidence to back up this theory. Immigration advocacy groups began pushing back on the order quickly after news of its contents was released while the government claims limiting these individuals entry to the US will create hundreds of thousands of jobs for Americans the reality is that the jobs that these foreign nationals have held a ones that US workers kant or won't fill, said the director of government relations at the American Immigration Lawyers Association. Alarming surges in corona virus cases across the south and West have raised fears that the outbreak is spiraling out of control, and that hard won progress against the virus is slipping away because of resistance of many Americans to wearing masks in keeping their distance from others. Confirming predictions that the easing of state lockdowns over the past month and a half would lead to a comeback by the virus. Cases surpassed one hundred thousand in Florida hospitalizations, arising dramatically in Houston and. An startling one in five of those tested in Arizona approving to be infected. Over the weekend, the virus seem to be everywhere at once. Several campaign staff members who helped set up Donald Trump's rally in Tulsa Oklahoma tested positive Texas is among a number of states including Arizona Alabama Florida and South Carolina whose governors have resisted statewide MOSK requirements leaving the matter to local authorities. The number of new corona virus. Across the US, each day has reached more than twenty six thousand up from about twenty one thousand two weeks ago over one hundred twenty thousand deaths in the US been blamed on the virus, the highest toll in the world. In Georgia, the number of people hospitalized because of covid nineteen rose two thousand, a raising a months worth of progress. Infections their highest level since the outbreak began nearly two months after Georgia began lifting restrictions on businesses. Countries such as Brazil India and Pakistan also seeing surging cases. Dr Michael Ryan, the World Health organizations emergencies chief. said the outbreak is definitely accelerating in the US and a number of other countries, dismissing the notion that the record-breaking daily levels of new cases simply reflect more testing. He noted that numerous countries have seen marked increases in hospital, admissions and deaths. More than a decade of overwhelming evidence, links, air, pollution and heat exposure with negative pregnancy outcomes in the US, according to a new review of dozens of studies. The investigation published in the Journal of the American Medical Association identifies Fifty-seven Studies since two thousand, seven, showing a significant association between the two factors and the risk of preterm birth, low birth, weight and Stillbirth, black mothers were particularly at risk as well people with asthma. The review analyzed thirty two million births tracked across sixty eight studies of those eighty four percent found air pollution and heats to be risk factors. Human caused climate disturbances, a forcing temperatures, higher, raising humidity and reducing people's ability to cool off even at night. Climate Change also makes air pollution worse smog from the burning of fossil fuels forms on hot days and wildfires that caused smoke inhalation are exacerbated by the crisis. The American College of obstetricians and gynecologists already finds climate change to be an urgent threat to women's health in addition to a major public health challenge. Climate change is linked with worsening cardiac disease, respiratory disease, mental health and exposure to infectious diseases, but pregnant women in developing fetuses are especially vulnerable to its effects. You can subscribe to five minute news with your preferred. 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Be It Resolved: No One Is Illegal

The Munk Debates

43:46 min | 4 months ago

Be It Resolved: No One Is Illegal

"I think it's time to this toxic binary Zeros some matte stock. We're not an imperial power where revolutionary power we are no longer in a world where you can plot out moves statesman to statesman like a chessboard. You don't know anything about my background and where it came from it, it doesn't matter to you because fundamentally on the mean white man, we can't do this to the next generation because a miracle will cease to exist. Welcome to the month debates podcast. Every episode we provide you with civil and substantive debate on the big issues of the day. Free of spin focused on the facts animated by smart conversation. To arm you the listener with enough enough. To make up your own mind. Today's debate. BE IT resolved? No one is illegal. A trump administration announces its decision on Daca ending the program that shielded hundreds of thousands of people from deportation good afternoon I put in place at zero tolerance policy illegal entry on our south whereas to board if you cross the southwest border unlawfully. Then, we will prosecute. That so One. To two weeks, we will hit three hundred miles of wall. Those are anti plates at top. On that makes it much more difficult when you get to the top because see these guys climbing up with drugs on their back. They look at the wall and they say, let's pass. Let's take a pass on. Hello I'm your moderator, Rudyard Griffiths well, a wall that now stretches three hundred miles along the US Mexico border the suspension of the dreamers program that shielded eight hundred thousand children born to undocumented migrants from deportation. The launch of a zero tolerance policy that separates unauthorized migrants from children. These are just some of the hallmarks of the immigration policy of the United States under President Donald Trump's administration tackling the growing number of unauthorized migrants estimated at many as twelve million. Currently in the United States was key to trump's election in two, thousand sixteen and his case for a second term. President really needs to show significant progress on one of if not the key issue that you know he thinks addison his reelection and if you have unauthorized migration levels at their highest point in thirteen years. The Nets a major political liability. Supporters of trump's immigration policies believed the rule of law must be paramount when deciding who gets to become a US citizen. They argue that illegal immigrants are queue-jumping making it harder for migrants who apply lawfully to enter the United States mass migration also destabilizing the border costing billions in social services and driving down wages for struggling blue collar workers. And even if it isn't specifically housing aid and food stamps. Taking advantage of free public schools of Free Public Health I. Am sure they realize more than the average American the more people competing for those made a nanny jobs, the more their wages go down. Critics of President Trump's immigration policies take issue with a very concept of migrant being legal. They say that unauthorized border crossings are eight civil violation not a criminal offense. Argue that a realistic and humane immigration policy needs to recognize that undocumented migrants are part of the fabric of America with more than two-thirds having lived in the United States for over ten years a fair and just immigration policy in America would recognize the vital role immigrants and their families play in the workplace in their communities in society at large. Here's Joe. Biden during the Democratic primary debates early last year. If you wish to answer should someone who is here without documents and that is his only offense should that person be deported that person should not be the focus of deportation we should fundamentally change the way we deal with. This installment of the Munk debates challenged the essence of these arguments by debating the resolution be it resolved? No one is a legal arguing for the motions Alan or founder of or immigration Washington DC. He's the immigration section chair for the National Bar Association in the United States and president elect of the American Immigration Lawyers Association where he is their national spokesperson. Arguing against the motion be resolved. No one is illegal is Reverend Samuel Rodriguez President of the National Hispanic Leadership Conference the world's largest Hispanic Christian organization he's been nominated as one of the world's one hundred most. People by Time magazine. He's also known as an advisor to President Trump Obama and Bush on immigration frequently consult with Congress on immigration issues and criminal. Justice reform. Alan Sam. Welcome to the Monkey Bay podcast. Thanks for having me likewise. Thank you for having me. I'm really looking forward to today's debate of all the kind of big issues that I think are top of mind as three hundred and thirty million Americans go to the polls. November immigration policy has to be one of those kind of critical issues I think it. It affects everything from the economy to some of our most treasured, moral and ethical principles and I think to have two people of your quality. You're standing you're. Caliber here to help us unpack the key arguments in this debate is a privilege indeed. So thank you. Again, what are we going to do is as we usually have on this podcast short opening statements that kind of give our listeners sense where you're both coming at In terms of this debate, we have a resolution before us be it resolved no one is illegal allan you're speaking in favor of the motion. So we're going to put two minutes on the clock and pass the proverbial microphone over to you. Please take us away. Thank, you be resolved that no one is illegal. A person cannot be illegal while certain. May Be criminal or illegal people cannot illegal and with this fundamental understanding that all humans have basic rights, it will lead us in the right direction for immigration conversation and how we treat our brothers and sisters from different lands. People may be undocumented. And they might have aided the United States without inspection people maybe living here without appropriate authorization but that does not in fact, make them illegal. People in others who used the term. To sort of state that someone is illegal is using it in a derogatory fashion to sort of devalue the life of that individual and their rights against others. We don't call pedestrians who crossed the street without the appropriate sign illegal pedestrians. Nor do we call kids who skipped school illegal kits and it's the very same parallel that we must control our language to say certain actions may not be appropriate but that does not disqualify those particular individuals and the conversation. As a lawyer is in fact, important to note that the Immigration and Nationality Act does not anywhere in it say the term illegal alien. It does use the term alien to speak about individuals who are not nationals in this country, but it does not use the term illegal alien illegal alien only became part of the lexicon of the legal department in this country and twenty eighteen to sorta further at flames to the fire of immigration conversation using such terms to humanizes immigrants and doesn't push America in. Congress. Towards a resolution with regards to the millions of people were living here without documentation. Lunch removing that stigma and we start talking about individuals and the documents they need. To achieve the right to remain here. Then, we can have a more fruitful conversation. Is, important to understand in this conversation, there are no lines. There are many individuals have been here for twenty years or more who under this conversation that claims they need to go home to start in a lot again, they were just. because. There's no route for them to achieve their citizenship, and as this country moves forward as sort of a young team country is time for us to understand the immigrants are the background in this country and what we need to continue to make this country. Great. Thank you. Allan thank you for those opening remarks were now going to go to Sam for his opening statement. Again, our resolution to remind our listeners today is be it resolved? No one is illegal. Sam You're arguing against our motion let's hear your opening arguments please. Well, I'm arguing against the motion sickness pertains to public policy advocacy or clarity definition. But as Christian I do agree that no human being can be deemed illegal. A person created in the image of God cannot be called illegal however, government does have. A commitment to the English vernacular, the responsibility to deem actions as illegal. For example individuals that come into this country legally. Be The conduit of our current law infrastructure. These individuals come in here legally you juxtapose them or you create a dichotomy with those that are not coming legally hence, they're not coming in legally they are coming in illegally and I do not believe that every single application of the phrase illegal immigrant seems to demean the Dimona or speak disparagingly or a condescending manner or diluting the value of that human beings worth as a person created in the image of God I believe it speaks to an action not to definition or the value of that individual. So the utilization of the term illegal immigrant, not the preferable choice for Reverend Samuel Rodriguez. Commented individuals. However, it does not speak to a collective intention of demeaning or devaluing the humanity of that undocumented immigrant. That is currently in this country. Thank you, Reverend. Sam. Let's go to a rebuttals here. Get a chance for both of you to kind of reflect on what you've heard in each other's opening statements and kind of push this debate forward. So Allen, is there a specific point that you'd like to take up from Sam's opening statement here to underline with the audience to support your contention that one is legal at the point was pretty clear in the conversation that he stated that the action that individual might have taken at some point Tom. was illegal but that doesn't make the individual illegal even with the Christian argument that he also applied that we must have a fundamental understanding that saying that these individuals are legal pushes the immigration conversation in a different way than sort of saying someone as undocumented and when you start talking about documentation, we start talking about solutions. Dot It. Let's go to Sam. Let's have your reaction to Allen's opening remarks are what he's just said now about how Call people vis-a-vis labels of illegal undocumented these things fundamentally madder the chairman documented not capture in essence. The legitimate sort of conversation we should be having what does that mean undocumented it did not mention anything does not reference anything regarding illegal entry into a nation that has every right to protect his border, a sovereign nation living in the Topa we're in a very difficult world a broken world for that matter. So it behooves is to protect the sovereignty of our borders to protect the sovereignty of our nation so. That are undocumented. That's sort of a grandiose and big US term. So when we talk about individuals that are here illegally we may have to. Rewrite the narrative. So instead of illegal immigrants, individuals that are here illegally. That may be better, but the term undocumented speaks nothing Tila gallery of law and to the fact that there are wonderful people coming in here legally and as a nation committed to protecting our safety and security, and as an individual committed to ending sex trafficking human trafficking at the border, we want to protect our border. We want people coming here legally. Thanks him. Okay. Let's get into the kind of us here on this debate about immigration that I think are top of mind for listeners and maybe start with you as the lawyer. How do you respond to people who say look there? There are tens of thousands of people and cannon the United States who've applied legally to enter the country they've filled out their applications they've queued up at foreign embassies, they paid their fees and they're. Sitting there waiting for their application to be processed while other people are proceeding to simply enter the country without any kind of application. How is that in any way just for those tens of thousands of people who have behaved in a way that respects the laws of the country to which they wish to belong. So jokingly, I say, you mean like Christopher Columbus but sort of in response to that there's no sort of binary choice you can. Grant them all the right to be here it isn't a choice of these people are those people are dishonor that law and that's very close minded sort of conversation. It could be everyone because there needs not be lot because we have a shortage of individuals here. So therefore, the inefficiencies of the administration in running the immigration system should not hurt individuals who also potentially have rights to be here that have been here for a long time we. Must also remember that half of the people who are currently here undocumented came in documented and then overstay their visas. So therefore does the analysis sort of changed with someone sort of interesting country legally and they overstay their visa. Are they different than someone who is undocumented? No, it becomes a conversation about documentation and the greatest way to address this problem as a community and of the nation is to talk about documentation to move in that direction. So, Sam, comeback in that Era Hispanic Americans. So you're working as a pastor with a variety of communities. As you said, you're involved in the border around issues of sex trafficking and the exploitation of minors I mean, what is your view on how we approach this? Morally. What do we do to these people that are showing up at the border who have nothing except the clothes on their backs and they are looking to your country to America four opportunity for simply a meal on the table to feed them and their families why should we respond to this crisis morally as opposed to legally With great deference to my friend, Allen is not just an issue documentation at. Legality, but it's an issue likewise. Alan. I would probably agree on this of morality I am Pro Legal Immigration I. Do believe like Alan believes that the immigrant community is not a burden I think the immigrant community may be very well be America's greatest blessing that twenty percent jury I worked with this community I pass through this community. Our churches are build individuals that are undocumented throughout our congregations. So it's arguably one of the most hardest working communities in America without a doubt I live in California twelve fourteen hour workdays in the agricultural sector in the Central Valley on Route Ninety nine and California bless. People indeed, and by the way, God fearing that loved their families. So it breaks my heart to see individuals coming in here illegally I. The vast majority ninety, nine point, nine percent of them are not coming in here to do America. Any harm or any damage they come for a better day for their children and your children's children it breaks my heart, but they need to come here legally it's the rule of law. The opposite of the rule of law is anarchy put this in perspective I'm a Californian and during Calvin, the governor issued a number of decrees about certain things we can and cannot do. However, you can't say these laws apply here but by the where we're going to look the other way while thousands and millions come over our border without respecting the law illegally, there has to be a clear application of the law across the board. The conversation need to be having is, what do we do with bill currently your undocumented and I do believe that we should be pushing advancing just like we've done I worked with President Bush in advance immigration reform. I. Worked with President Obama in advancing immigration reform and now believe it or not working with. President trump and trying to find immigration reforms loose. So we want to bring legality or better yet legalizing those that are currently here undocumented while simultaneously securing the border and making sure those that come into future come here legally that's the best prescription wanted the American electorate and the American community will embrace. Thanks Him Alan. Do you feel that someone who comes to the American southern border WHO's in urgent? Humanitarian need has a greater kind of human right that allows them to transit that border into the United States from Mexico without having performed an violates American law. I would argue to you under the current law, the individual who's applying for asylum at the southern border is no different than the rich national who's applying for business visa and embassy abroad, and they should be treated with the same respect and due process under law. The problem is that now our immigration system says individuals of a higher social class have more value than individuals who are. Now applying southern border and it becomes a thing about numbers. So therefore, if it was just a smaller number people who needed help and sort of weren't in a disarray because their country's falling apart that now be okay. But because there's thousands of them in a country where there are three hundred million plus people that becomes problematic for the administration of our law to process these cases appropriately. Some twelve hundred on the move from Central America and Cuba marching toward the US southern border. This as a border patrol had to shut down also Texas checkpoints why there were. So overwhelmed agents could not properly process other asylum-seekers. and. Five thousand additional troops are preparing to head of the US Mexico border to keep thousands of migrants from entering the country. From Central America especially on Dudas and have been here for months waiting for their asylum requests to play out in a clogged up us. System. and. So we meet her them and keep them outside of the country for two to three months at our border, not providing them with any food any healthcare we just say wait until your turn. So therefore, we create a problem where then individuals who are are surviving for their lives are someone please take me across the motorway. The problem with the current administration immigration debate is we want to make everybody illegal right people who've been here TPS deferred action. People have been here for twenty years. The concept is support them all and when you have twenty million individuals to deport and a constitutional budget that only allows for four hundred, thousand, a number that has not been reached under any of the administration's that he spoke about before it becomes problematic to say deportation of the answer. So then it becomes about documentation and we have seen under Reagan that there was a chance to sort of make people become documented this country. I supported this bill. I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots in lived here. Even though some time back, they may have entered illegally. And that's a better solution. Once you sort of deal with making the legal process work pursuant to what the economic processes and to the human humanitarian call. Then you won't have these problems that people showing up at the border. Okay Sam come back on this because what Allen's basically saying here just to summarize that there's a way to reconcile or a line three separate crises that are going on a humanitarian crisis at the border let's say an economic crisis in terms of a shortage of labor and people were willing to do the jobs that many migrants do like picking vegetables in the valleys of central California, and then finally a kind of illegal crisis, a crisis of the lack of the application of laws fairly unjustly to these internal populations of undocumented migrants I mean just pull the band aid off get these three crises resolved all at once. And just make these twenty odd million people in the country legal citizens and be done with it. I. Do agree the Immigration System in America's completely broken I do agree we need a system where we streamline and it's equally applicable across the board as it pertains who comes in. I do not agree with this exclusive myopic way of thinking that the only immigrants that America should welcome into this nation are highly educated highly skilled. I disagree with that I think it needs to be reflective not necessarily in Australia system looking at the Canadian system, which is primarily Khanate Canada and Australia merit with a little chunk for compassion I. Think that chunk of humanitarian compassion should be large it should be equal with the highly skilled highly educated. But if we look at twenty million individuals or here currently undocumented I, don't believe every single individual war on this planet has a God given right to come to America we are a sovereign nation, and that right is extended in the conduit of legal mechanisms. Does that are currently here undocumented I believe week we can, and we should as expeditiously as possible legislatively speaking not be the conduit of executive Fiat. We should find a solution one that deport those that are engaged in nefarious activities, deport them immediately the ninety nine. Point nine percent rest of the undocumented individual community in America. Let's look at them. Let's find a way to legalize them. Let's get them a green card I offered that solution to President Obama and I offered it to president trump matter of fact, I said years. Dissolution Republicans would definitely agree Democrats may balk at, but let's have been Greek arts. Let's do away with the issue of citizenship for a moment. Let's legalize them where they are here in America, in perpetuity, their children should not pay for their sins. Their children should become American citizens we do that secure the border, the vast majority of America's would sign off we. Conservatives will sign off. I believe the majority of Democrats would sign off and we would have a better day and do away with via nizing a community at has created in the image of God came over because they want to do better things they want health and security and safety for their children the Children's children, but we can do in a comprehensive and that reconciles even political spheres around an issue that I do believe transcends politics. Thinks him. Okay. So this is getting interesting. Let's try to push this debate a little bit towards what is possible maybe not perfect. But what is possible and Alan your take on let's say a deal like that where instead of making people citizens, you paper them with documentation to the extent that they can function in the economy legally and then you shut down the southern border you in a sense, stop the flow of undocumented migrants across the border new migrants into the United States is that something they use think would meaningfully address legal crisis in America right now as long as those home conditions are the same. GonNa continue to look for other places. So I think starting in any conversation that says southern border rather than all borders is problematic because that's sort of going to specific spectrum. It doesn't seem like due process to say everybody before you has a right to acclaim but now you don't have a right to claim because you just do late in time although the rules are the same. So say were no longer taking us out and cases anymore, which doesn't seem to be a smart thing with the actual population concerned that we have now in the job market that we have right now I'm sort. Of giving people illegal way to come in. Then it's going to be sort of a replica just creating another underground system. So for some of my clients having the right to be here in work without being deported enough citizenship does it really add anything when you've been in a country for twenty years and you never could vote I don't need to make that decision today for those individuals. I think the answer should be go for as much as we can and see where we end up with Justice and liberty and mercy at equity but if people were able to go to work pay their taxes. A normalization of the system would be enough for many people who are here without documentation that is a great solution I think. Okay Sam. You're advising president trump on immigration issues. I. Mean. He seems an awful long way right now from this type of conversation about giving undocumented. Migrants in America. The necessary green card, whatever it is to integrate legally into the economy that seems to be far from what is on the table right now in terms of the Republican offer for meaningful immigration reform. Listen I've had conversations with President trump on this issue, and I was there at the White House when the president looked at me and said, he said Sam how about this I want you to go over to speak to the speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. He said Sam how about if I do more for dreamers than President Obama. Jaw dropped and that's when he unveiled the plan to increase the number of individuals that would be covered in a proposal that he laid out before the Democratic House Republican majority Senate this President put the tweets aside here for a moment as it pertains the dreamers as it pertains to finding a solution, there was an opportunity to work with Congress. In exchange for securing the southern border that would have brought legality make citizens not just green cards citizens of every single dreamer. Amazing. Hoping to bridge the ideological gap with a compromise they arrived at the White House of Wednesday evening Democratic House leaders, Nancy Pelosi and Senate leader Chuck Shumar short time. Later, they heralded a landmark deal they've made with the Republican president to create a law allowing more than eight hundred thousand children of illegal immigrants to stay in the United States or did they the next morning on twitter Donald Trump said from his point of view there was no deal on the program known as Dhaka. and. Because of political partisanship, it did not take place. I am open to the idea that this administration will actually consider if we remove citizenship to table, it's about citizenship. There's a political equation abetted here, and this is an issue voters. There is angst in fear that if citizenship is included within any proposal and that's why immigration report has stalled numbers it about elections, it means x number of new. Democrats in in the world of those that are involved in immigration reform conversations, and if we removed from the table, we can bring a legal status to these individuals they stop hiding in the shadows and they could drive here in American society with the exception of being able to vote I. believe that we have opportunity with this administration to negotiate such a deal because I've had these conversations with this administration. So Allen. What's your take on the current administration? Maybe more importantly does candidate Biden have a better policy prescription for immigration as it relates to the issues that we've just discussed today So, think Biden is the exact polar opposite of everything on the trump policies with regards to treating and returning to remain system and trying to do it with Congress's help. So therefore, the Biden hairs administration hairs, herself being data of an immigrant background as everyone in the country has her a little bit closer to her time of being as a strong foundation and she's been strong on. Immigration for a very long time in the Senate as well as in. California. So those are good things ahead contrary to everything the rub in spoke of sets the president initially stepped in office. He has done everything to deport in to make more individuals undocumented in this country at the time of this podcast today in the ninth circuit, they have just made a class of people who have. Been here for twenty years under temporary protected status because the conditions of their country now undocumented in six months, which means they need to leave and return to their home country unless the by administration changes them his very first act was to in Dhaka right and the conversation while I wasn't there that was had with Nancy Pelosi was can we save this class of maybe not hundred thousand? Individuals at the cost of their parents and the other twelve to thirteen million individuals. So that's problematic and that's not really a solution. You sort of say I'll give you five for a million and is a greater perspective than that because when you sort of look at the president's current policies, they are sort of directed at Brown and black communities with regards to travel bans deportation and also confinement. Most of the individuals who are now in these immigration detention centers or Haitian or black all of those things or facts that have happened recently that sort of speaks to trucks, band and sort of even winning election was this concept of fear. Your brother is this constant concept of saying someone is illegal and therefore that creates fear in the individuals. These were our brothers and sisters, right? They can help were born and they might not be able to help the situation that they said brought to the United States. But as a country, we can address this and that's a failure both parties. That's where I do agree the reason that immigration does not have a solution today is not the CASA president trump and it's also not because of President Obama, it is because of Congress Congress has failed to do what is needed to be done for over two decades. That's the problem. House Speaker Paul Ryan reminded reporters Republicans Still Control Congress and write the legislation have you asked the president to at least check with you before he makes an agreement with them branch. We have not begun negotiations. What we're doing is talking with ourselves here in our majority to make sure that we're all on the same page yourselves before we proceed all of these things. So, Sam come on this ounce laid out a pretty scorching indictment here a president trump in terms of in effect, racial izing immigration policy, and targeting visible minorities for incarceration removal impoverishment yet you still I read between the lines here but I I think you're saying you're GonNa vote for him come November third. I'm not, GONNA. I'm not gonNA share who Ibope replied Ne Nevertheless I can tell you this two things. Allen receives from a big evangelical a men on this is an issue. The onus falls on Congress Congress has failed miserably on this issue miserably more than the executive branch, its legislative branch in America without a doubt the onus falls on them but as it Pertains to labeling president trump as it pertains to his immigration policies with ratio or racist tendencies. Again, I can tell you firsthand from conversations. I've had with the President I was there when we have a smile on his face, he said, SAM, we're GONNA get one, point six, million, nine, hundred, thousand, rigging, expand the number of dreams that will become citizens like this. Never, ever sacrificing their parents and met with General Kelly Secretary Nielsen when back to Congress and met with Speaker. Pelosi. It was a starting point of a Bible conversation that may have bought about immigration report, but it never took place because of the actions of my friend Speaker Pelosi and senator. Schumer unfortunately, you talking about President Trump's rhetoric which I do not necessarily completely perfectly agree with however why did President Trump get elected? He got elected because the American populace including a significant portion of. Individuals voted for Obama two, thousand and eight, hundred, thousand and twelve voted for president trump because they thought the previous administration went too far even as pertains to immigration a went too far in not applying the rule of law, you can't permit the borders to be opened and let people come here illegally and then ask Americans to follow the law within the confines of their border. Within their state borders, it doesn't work like that and the American community said, we're GONNA push back the pendulum. So it's not a matter of racist rhetoric. It's a matter of the rule of law. Can we apply the rule of law? Equally, if we have laws, let's apply them if not, let's change the laws but let's not permit millions of individuals to break the law, and then we are to act like that law was never broken. There are consequences to breaking the law and that's what I believe. It's the trump administration's rhetoric regarding immigration recall. Thanks. Sam. Okay, WE'RE GONNA move to closing statements in a moment but just WanNa take one more kind of political slice of the Pie here and Alan. What do you think is GonNa. Surface of all the different controversies that we've discussed from the border itself undocumented people in the United States to the idea of a point system to assess people coming in what do you think's GonNa? Surface is the number one immigration issue going into November third. So based on the polls, the number one immigration issue for voters that are in the middle someone who can change their voter independent has been the treatment of children at the southern border to SORTA persuade people to vote for Democratic ticket. So with regards to immigration and the global stage, the world is in shambles and in need of grace and a blessing in direction from the church to say if you see someone in. Need. The answer is not to turn your shoulder and think that people are going to be moved and return perhaps, and that sort of American principle of we can do anything. We put our mind to we're trying to go to Mars and you're telling me we can't saw a problem with a couple of thousand people at the southern border. Even the Reverend said that walked thousands of miles to get to the border, and then when they're the border, we're going to turn them away without even giving them due process or making sure they have a safe return and that's the same children and adults we look at the detention centers and we see the inhumane treatment over and over again. The rapid spread of cove it in these detention centers are sort of what speaking to that populous that sort of in the middle to sort of do this vote. So there are two things that are going to happen part of it is the Democrats have to be mobilized, and it's GonNa be a greater issue than just immigration immigration is going to be at the platform of it and I think the other side of it is just sort of for the other side to say, you know what this is not to be our. This is not who will ever be sure people don't have a right to be here and sure we're not about open borders, but we are humane and. There's due process and asylum is a proper way to the United States in every one of those individuals gets due process in the resolve of that is whatever the finding is from. The judge is the finding of will follow because the conversation we didn't have today, which I think is a big problem is that in our immigration justice system, the immigration court is part of the police and the all work for the Attorney General. So therefore, the attorney general sets out what justices and has consistently twice, which has never happened in the ten years that followed the attorney general has gone back and overruled something that a judge has done and made new principles and policies which impact our community. Thanks, Alan. So Sam what's your prediction as to you know the issue admitted give us a two views one because you're working with a large Hispanic community as a as a pastor what's number one issue for them but also what do you think is going to surface before November third as the the defining ballot question when it comes immigration for the country as a whole it recent pew research really brings. Out of very ironic truth regarding the Hispanic. American community Hispanic Americans are in favor of legal immigration but oppose by majority illegal immigration how `Bout that Latino Americans, Hispanic Americans what's going to be the immigration issue that will determine the election open borders amnesty or the rule of law. People coming in here legally or people coming in here illegally those voters for Minnesota Wisconsin Michigan Pennsylvania Ohio Nevada Arizona Florida north. Carolina? These workers working up there they're going to say wait a second. Biden. Harris ticket reflects this open borders amnesty the trump ticket looks at. Legal entry. And again, because president trump did make an offer regarding the dreamers. It's a firewall against the idea that president trump is anti immigrant period president trump and the trump administration or anti illegal immigration. So that will determine the election as it pertains to the immigration reform debate I. Think we're GONNA be surprised by the number of Latino last time twenty to thirty percents supported president trump. This time around numbers right now indicate somewhere between thirty four and thirty seven percent. So Ladies and gentlemen going to be an interesting election immigration would be an integral part of it and I do look forward to having more spirited debates around the subject matter indeed. You're listening to the munk debates podcast. If you like this podcast kickout, other episodes including debates on everything from the US election to the future of globalization to whether the scientific community has reacted to the threat of Cova. All three to download or stream on our website. Munk debates. Dot Com. While this has been. A terrific debate. So let's move to closing statements. We're GONNA do those in the opposite order of the opening statements. So Sam Europe I what are the key points that you want this audience to take away from your debate with Allen today as they grapple with their own moral ethical economic political understanding of this issue. Immigrants are not a burden. They are a blessing. Immigrants have been a blessing from the beginning of this nation. Without a doubt we want people to come here legally not illegally. We need immigrants not just because of our economic sectors, we need immigrants in order to enrich the spiritual and moral compass of this nation we need to go beyond the political rhetoric on both the left, and the right we need to look at a comprehensive solution to address those that are currently here. Undocumented that will bring to the galaxy and bring citizenship to every single dreamer. Without exception, we need to legalize their parents have a green card do away with the issue of citizenship or their parents take that away from the table provide a comprehensive immigration reform solution. That future entry continues we need to continue to be a nation of immigrants not just married at base merit based plus compassion. If we do that, we will enrich the soul of this nation going forward into twenty-first-century. Thank you. Sam. IMPASSIONED WORDS WE appreciate Alan, we're going to give you the last word on our debate. BE IT resolved? No one is illegal. You've been arguing in favour of the motion. Let's have your summing up. So I think that we agree that we will stop using the sort of lexicon to define people by an act and sort of move forward in a different direction and talk maybe even if imperfect about undocumented individuals in solutions and in doing that, we sort of understand that it's not just the president we need to focus on but it's also congress and we make sure they know that this is not a political ball to be kicked from year to year because these are about our communities and it should be addressed. So sort of focusing on Congress in pushing them to make these difficult decisions so that People can have a foundation to live their lives on a daily basis. I think we also have an understanding that is inappropriate and equitable to ask individuals who've been in this country for twenty years to leave just because it makes us feel better and the concept that there is some sort of line because there's really no equity in that, there's no justice in that and there's no humanity in that and so by understanding those terms and understanding that we're talking about people in our community, we can reach more humane solution with regards to a problem that we created by not addressing us in Congress and give. Well Alan Sam look I think if this conversation, this debate today could be evocative and exemplar for the type of national conversations. We need not just the United States but in Canada and across Europe on this this big issue immigration that affects us all I think we would all be better off. 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Corporate Virtual Meeting: Trump, Immigration, and COVID-19

"Thank you so much and thank you to everyone for joining us this afternoon I'm Alexandra. Starr I cover immigration issues primarily for National Public Radio and I also Spencer Fellow at Columbia Journalism School. With me this afternoon. Is Kathleen Camp? Walker? She's an immigration attorney with Dickinson right and former national president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association and we have Ted Alton. Who is Bernard Schwartz Senior Fellow at the Council on organizations. So. There's been a lot of news on the immigration front. Typically in the last week or so I thought we could start by talking about the administration's announcement this week. That there would be no more H. One B. Visas. For this year. So, Ted! Do you WanNa? Start with that and talk about the consequences that might have for American businesses and American competitiveness. Yet behalf to thanks for a challenge dairy here. To be here with Kathleen I was actually just prior to as meeting going back to the project the Kathleen and I worked on together many years ago now. In two, thousand, eight and nine in it was the immigration. Casper's independent task. Housing Foreign Relations on immigration oxidative chaired by a project Bush in McLarty and I was looking back at summerbee. Time and we were talking about. In need for the United, states to reform supervision law people on the. Air will remember back in Xhosa and again. In twelve thirteen, there was a major effort a comprehensive immigration before. We, this is just by way of of backer before I'm GonNa Answer your question directly. We wrote. The stakes are too high to fail. If the United States continues to mishandling immigration policy, it will damage one of the vital underpinnings of American prosperity security and could condemn the country to a long decline. In its status in the world in I'm afraid to some extent what we are seeing, play out today, the continued consequences of the failure to reform our immigration laws when when we had these opportunities. Particularly with the trump administration I think. Has Christ. Some people little bit is is that the administration has been focused not just on cracking on immigration cannot just fun concerns over silence seekers, but is quite suspicious of legal immigration of the high-skilled immigrants and others that the research shows pretty clearly bring enormous benefits to the United States and so we saw in April. The Cova crisis a used as a pretext for shutting off most forms of employment based green cards in any aspects of family immigration as well and then with this most recent. This week administration is suspend the end of the year issuance of. is which are used for high school workers many of them in the tech industry. Elvis, which are intra company transfer, so allowed foreign multinationals with operation. Move There! On Jimmy temporary visas in Summer Camp Donald Slurs cares there some university applications and an. And then. find. The main traffic there was not one of the categories well. Kathleen will fill edge to buy. A. Yeah so sorry. crispell. Is. The Board Chuck Outta We can talk us was only. Be. Taken. Can you dial in because we're having a little? We're having issues with your connection. I will try again. Thanks, I'll turn over Kathleen covered. Fine. So where would you like me to pick up? Alexander? Tajeh's gave us so much information WHY DON'T WE START With the H. One B., that's the most recent piece of news that we got right I'm interested in your take on what impact that will have, and whether you can address the issue that the trump administration. Puts forward that this quote steals jobs from American workers. That's why they feel obligated to take that step as time. Okay let let me start with just sort of a recap on the categories, because I was having trouble hearing as well so what we're talking about as far as this proclamation that was issued on June twenty two, and it became effective as to not these non immigrant categories, the four of them, only as well as to their dependence. They are the H., one B. The age to be the L. One. and the J. One. As to the H. One B., let's just talk about what the impact is, but it's also applicable to these other four categories for just mentioned. What is doing is it's saying that? There are three factors. That you have to meet. And if you meet those factors then. You will not be able to enter the United States in those four categories between. The effective date, which is the twenty fourth of June and December thirty first, so what we're talking as a pause in the ability to enter the United States, which is governed by the customs and Border Protection officers. And pause and the ability to get visas. Stories from the State Department which of the Consular officials. So okay. What does it mean regarding for example, the typical H., one B., and what are these three main factors, which I think are really hard, and I love to hear what Ted thinks about how it's worded because we've been debating it since it's been issued within the American immigration, Lawyers, association and have. Several different updates on it on the interpretation so far. So the three factors and my outside of the United States on June twenty four, and we're talking about whether or not I'm subject to this ban on the ability to get in and to get the visa. Am I outside of the United. States on June twenty four. Do I not have a valid nonimmigrant diese. We're not sure if it can be an any category yet. That's an unknown. Or is it just the four were talking about and finally? Do I not have any travel document? What the is that? It's now been defined by one CD representative, as it's not a seven nine seven approval notice that allows you to remain in the US. It's not an I ninety four admission record what it is, it's a boarding a four foil. Pardon me a transportation letter. Or Advanced Parole noser. All technical things which we can discuss if you wish. But so, what does it mean for me? If I'm outside of the United States and I've gotten this approval in the lottery this year for an H.. One B. Cap subject. Category approval. It means that I'm not going to be able to get an H. One B. Appointment to get a visa to enter the United States between June. Twenty, four and December thirty one. Less somehow I meet a national interest waiver. use waiver loosely. Or if somehow I might be engaged in the food supply chain so. Unstuck and and so is my employer I have several clients in that circumstance. So. We're all put on a pause in those circumstances through the end of the year and we're struggling to figure out. Do we have alternatives to be able to bring the individual into the US? So that's a lot of disruption. And then for those that are with in the United States remember those three factors that are in the conjunctiva with an and. Within the United States the. The travel document. So if I'm within the United States and I'm trying to move for example like a lot of students on f one from F., into H. One B.. Effective October one if I'm lucky in the lottery. Then, I'm going to be able to remain in the united. States because I transitioned from APT H. But, as far as my ability than to leave the United States and go get a visa by wanted to be able to travel. We've got a debate going on. Can I get the beasts in that circumstance or a not going to be able to? And that's a problem, and then the other problem is renewals and we'll talk about that later if you wish so. This is one of those mnuchin immigration things. That affects a lot of different ways that makes it really complicated to explain. Yeah. I think what might be helpful for our listeners is to sort of get a primer as to what these visas which category applies to you which person? So, do you intend to divide them up? I ten prefers. which do you want to take? Kathleen Kathy why don't you go ahead? Because you know the categories in much more detail than I do I can talk about some of the general impact. But why don't you just run down the big ones insurance kitchen? Okay, we'll rip through it real fast, so H. One B. Specialty occupation. You'd think that would be simple It's not I got a degree. The job requires a degree and is the employer's going GonNa pay the higher, the actual or the prevailing wage for the area of intended Employment WanNa. Make sure and say that because you asked me Alexandra earlier to address the issue. Taking jobs away I have to pay almost three grand in order to apply for this thing, this H., one B. Category and I have to make sure that I meet those requirements on the payment of that wage, and that's a big investment for an employer if I'm complying with the law as it exists. the L., one intercompany transferee. In order for me to be able to do this as an employer. I'm typically showing how I'm growing my business and I'm employing US workers. And I'm bringing experienced individuals from my related company abroad to help me expand my business in the United States part of that business plan is normally creation of jobs similar to the visa in some ways, and we have lots of multinational companies with thousands of employees in the United States. using the old category one of my. Companies that I work with employees twenty thousand people in the United States, the vast majority are not for nationals. the J. One category exchange visitors now there's a bunch of different subcategories. The one that we're talking about that are affected here our. Interns Trainees Teachers Camp Counselors payers and the summer work travel program as well as dependence. So those are the categories impacted and again the J. Program. That's stupid minister through the ACA. Department of the Department of State. Has A lot of restrictions on insurance where the person is going to be what the person is going to be paid, and you can look that up on the Internet, just J. One department state. You could find out a lot of information about it. Finally the age to be category not for agricultural workers. This is for non-agricultural workers in a variety of different physicians that are temporary in nature, transitional recomend and there's a lot of requirements regarding what's the wage? Where are you going to work? And what are you going to be doing in your subject to oversight on your site from the government? So that's the quick rundown. Let me if I if I could just add Alexandra mean in in terms of the broader theme of economic competitiveness that H H. One B., the L. Visa in particular are absolutely critical to the success of US companies in the tech sector of foreign companies investing in the United States I mean the. The thing that that makes the United States still quite unique among the advanced economies. We got this incredible pipeline that kind of works through our universities, so you have foreign students largely in science and engineering coming in studying the best universities and we've got this path that runs through the optional practical training program with this administration also wants to curb to the H. One B. Visa in eventually the with. With very long waits particularly people from India to a green card, and it's been a powerful pipeline which has attracted the lion's share of talented scientists and engineers from around the world I mean there was a study for macro Polo the think tank of the Pulse Institute Chicago last week or week before I don't remember exactly looking at at researchers, working on artificial intelligence and China is graduating. Graduating far more of those researchers than any other country, but almost half of them are coming to graduate work in the United, states and then ninety percent of those are staying here in the United, states, so the real danger here is that we severed that pipeline in bright potential immigrants, thinking about the United States versus other places may say this is just getting too risky to try to build A. A life for myself in the United States, I mean on the l one visa side. Every state in the country wants to attract foreign investments critical for job. Creation companies are going to be really reluctant to invest if they can't bring any of their own executives over to work in the united. States and there is an international competition for that investment, so each of these steps little by little erodes. Competitive Position in in the world economy and I think to some extent because this administration has rolled these things out over very long period of time. It's kind kinda snuck up on us a little bit, but if you look at the current situation, it's it's by far the most restrictive. We've seen in the United States since. Nineteen twenties maybe I. Don't know what the appropriate comparison. Time when we've been in a similarly restrictive position regarding immigration. Actually end I think a follow on to that which we haven't discussed in detail is the extended van on Green Cards that was first announced a few months ago and now we've been told will extend through the year. What kind of impact you think that is going to have on the attractiveness of the United States you know as a place to attempt to relocate you. Talk about as highly sought after workers, and then I guess also keping I'd be interested in your perspective on how this affects your clients just on, you know these are real people right to some. Was Lowest we're. We're playing with people's lives and creating unpredictability and uncertainty, and often what happens. Is You know for example something as simplistic as Theon the right now? the proclamation was issued as to immigrant bases able twenty three. It doesn't specifically state that K. ones. which it's kind of this hybrid kind of visa for Fiancee's. It's sort of like a nonimmigrant visa, but they have immigrant overtones on how you get it. and. Basically if you have fiance, these already petitioned approve. You're stuck unable to get appointments because the the appointments are suspended I wanNA make sure correct. At least from my my perspective, the word or phrase Green Card because the permanent resident card it's issued done by US citizenship and immigration services, and what we're talking about our people applying consular posts, so they're taking the path being outside of the United States trying to get a visa lawfully integrate to the United States. They've already gone through this preliminary process with US citizenship and immigration to say hey, I qualify. And they're stuck in interminable limbo right now. Not Knowing how they can emigrate, this does not apply to certain immediate relatives like. You know I'm spouse of a US citizen. however parents of US citizens are in this limbo. So what's happened? Is that People's lives are totally disrupted. immigration lawyers dealing with changes on a day to day basis on what an interpretation may be. We checked every day about whether or not certain consular appointments available on the nonimmigrant cy, the part that just was affected in June or the immigrant side, and we have the overlay from March twenty consular services have been suspended both immigrant and non immigrant. So we've already been dealing with the ability to get these appointments. And now we have this on top of it, so it's an insane world that we are trying to deal with. techy one address the issue of decision to suspend green cards. And the broader impact that might have. I! Mean I think I? Think what's important. Recognize when when talking about. The trump administration's approach is just philosophically how different this is from every administration Republican Democratic for the last four or five decades, so the trump administration under mentally sees immigrants as competition for US workers jobs that are being taken by immigrants are not available for us workers, and so you know the suspension of employment based green cards or the suspension of H. One BS, it all comes out of that same philosophy that well we're in a jobs crisis, which we are clearly right now is as a result. We should save all the jobs that are going to be created for Americans. The problem is everything we know about. The modern US economy suggests that that's not the way job creation operates. The A lot of the jobs are being created a dynamic companies, many of them technology companies that are on the leading edge of the sectors in which there working and having talk, great people both Americans and people from the rest of the world is critical, the expansion of those companies you look at immigrants in terms of entrepreneurialism I know you worked on this, Alexandra? They start a lot more companies on a on a sort of person basis than than Americans do so. The evidence on this is just absolutely clear. Clear that these immigrants are creating a lot more jobs in the United States than they are taking away from other people who might occupy those chairs, but this administration categorically does not believe that it has been looking for the past several years to find ways to restrict legal immigration across the board both temporary visas and permanent in terms of the green cards and the crisis. The crisis is really given the administration the opportunity it wanted but I think it's pretty clear that that it will not achieve what the administration hopes. It will achieve in terms of preserving jobs for Americans and will harm an economy that is already in deep trouble rate were were already facing a long slow recovery. I'm afraid. The J. One I know you looked a lot at that visa and the impact. It has for US universities. Is. We know a lot of universities are going to be in a lot of trouble, given the virus and enrollment rates and It struck me was honestly maybe I shouldn't have been I was sort of surprised to see that on the list. I mean I don't want to overstate it. But what kind of impact do you think it's going to have? been. Kathleen could elaborate on this a little more I think, the the J. One is more for. Visiting professors and other things, and I think there may even be some exceptions there. She can go into the details. What was not included on this list? Fortunately was the F one visas for international students, and again that pipeline I talked about the foreign students come to the United States. That's sort of the the first step on that pipeline, so so the FTC's are not directly affected. However were already I. Mean What we've been seeing for the past several years so I'm going to back up one more step if you look at foreign students coming to the United, states going as far back as we've got data to the you know into the eighties and Seventies. Steady upward trend year after year after year we have more foreign students coming to the United States, there was a little bit of a blip after nine eleven that I wrote about in my book, but then it recovered well since two thousand fifteen. We have seen a small but steady decline in the number of new foreign students come to the United. States is down about ten percent since two thousand fifteen by comparison, those numbers are up fifty percent in Australia and Canada. So it's not that foreign students aren't going abroad. They're just coming less. Less to the United States, so I think we'd already seen the effect of previous restrictions discouraging students coming from the United. Maybe some of that also has to do with the cost of higher education here, but the numbers have been dropping this fall. and I think this is just an effect of the of the pandemic situation higher education on teaching now and we're going to be mostly online in the fall, and so the calculations for students are really different, but the universities are anticipating probably a twenty five percent decline in foreign students. The other challenge on the visa fronts is going to be in Lincoln, may be talked about this. A little more US citizenship and immigration services depends on fees to operate. Their fee revenue is way down and. US is about to furlough about two thirds of its staff, so the processing of student visas which are particularly important in terms of timeliness. You've gotTA. Have the bees adjudicated in process before your academic year starts I'm expecting real problems. This fall with people thought they were to be able to come and study in the United States. They're gonNA find out. They don't get their views in a timely fashion. And that's really because of the suspension of. Visa Processing State Department so. You're issued at I. Twenty from the schools form, and then what happens is he didn't take that your documents and you go apply for a visa. Will how the heck you GonNa do that. The State Department yesterday. in its F accused issued. Concerning this lovely proclamation indicated that they're going to think about the problem. They've got with the ability of students to get in now. Does that mean they're going to get stamping? The Furlough of the US CIS officers is going to kill us concerning the ability of people to change status. when they have to because. Right now our processing times or take several months. They just restored premium processing in some categories, but This is the way to strangulate End To end legal immigration without changing the law. You take, away staff. You take away by. These proclamations the ability to do your normal day to day tasks. and. That's pretty easy to stop immigration without having to lift a pen to change the law or to go through the administrative procedures act change regulation, and that's what's happening. We're getting changes by Fiat. Not by the normal process through the administrative procedures act to get new regulations, etc.. and. Things happen overnight like this week on this particular proclamation. I. Don't see how that makes us competitive. That makes us sort of like number one ranked on the ability to be unpredictable for an employer or business. In and just you know to reinforce Kathleen spot I think it's impossible to overstate how contrary this is the way the United States normally operates right. You know we we. Have a long history of either making these changes through through legal changes through acts of Congress or through a transparent regulatory process that allows for noticing comment from all the parties that might be affected, but the administration is seizing on the economic situation as crisis that you know it believes empowers. To to do these things and the courts have been fairly differential talk about other court cases on this. Horse have been pretty differentially, said you know at the end of the day. The administration has a lot of authority in terms of who is admitted to the United States, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it's a blatant abuse of the way. US governments have historically operated in this area. I mean getting back to the business connections one of the things that has made the United States a very attractive place for both domestic companies and foreign companies that are legal administrative and regulatory processes. Processes have been quite transparent and predictable. You can't say that anymore. They've become non-transparent unpredictable, and that's a tremendous challenge for business I mean you talked to company executives and they will tell you I, you know I see this a lot in trade space, which I work on as well that they can adapt almost anything if they know what the rules are, and they have time to adjust, but these actions that come down in unpredictable ways very very difficult for companies to respond to this daft effectively. Your comments about. And the role it plays I think we have a little bit of time before I opened it up to questions, and that seemed good segue to talk decision. Look Down So. which we popularly purchased daca deferred action for early childhood arrivals as Supreme Court, ruled that the way the administration had attempted to do away with the program. Did Not Pass Muster, so some seven hundred thousand immigrants who came to the United States when they were underage. We'll be able to renew their status into your increments. Even, though you know I, guess, there's the question there. Apparently sixty six thousands of these kids who were not able to buy when the administration when this process worked its way through the courts Can you talk a little bit about? The impact of that rolling, and you know again American competitiveness how we treat this cohort of people like the broader ramifications that has. You want me to take a step Alexandra. Please! Okay so just briefly so the good side is that it creates this alleged open door to be able to renew for those who already had doc authorisation, and also is sort of transporting his back in time to twenty twelve, Daca took place so that we believe certain people that did not apply may still be able to as initial cats. And, we don't have that guidance yet. And what we have, unfortunately as a quick statement from the administration that they plan to end, find a way to end Daca by urine and I thought and I love to hear what you think about it on June nineteenth when US citizenship and immigration services and agency under the Department of Homeland Security posted a press release regarding the docket decision of the Supreme Court. And USCIS stated the decision has no basis in law and merely delays the president's lawful ability to end the illegal deferred action for childhood arrivals and misty. They used that word, which is not. Not Applicable, but anyway the amnesty program so I found that just astounding to how the agency make that statement, and if I'm sitting here, trying to advise people what to do, I I know that in December of Twenty nineteen that I started reopening administratively close deportation cases for Dr Recipients. And scheduling them for, removal. I know that in April twenty twenty. There was a freedom of information. ACT Response received by. Entity PROPUBLICA APPLICA- whichever you pronounce it. indicating that ice had very broad access to the duck. And the EMBIID, the information about where people are etc.. And you worry about that from an enforcement perspective, the two thousand twelve Guidance for people applying for Dhaka says I'm supposed to be protected. The information I provided supposed to be protected and not utilized in an enforcement context except. More extreme circumstances where there's a enforcement issues related to the individual that. have basis in fact. So. While we have an open door, I think that anybody trying to advise. Someone is GonNa. Have a hard time explaining here are the pros and cons. Here's what I think you should do and people should be cautious. LemMe Lemme. Just add I just like to reinforce what what Kathleen is saying about the normal personal impacts. Of all of these decisions have been you put. Individuals in an almost impossible situation in terms of making life altering choices Do you apply for Dhaka now, and and and somehow expose yourself to the possibility of deportation, but again just to back up and to put into context how far we have moved as as a country I mean I was following the immigration reform debates very closely under George W Bush in that under President Obama. It was a widespread. Consensus into Congress across both parties that legal status for young people who were brought here by their parents, aren't they had no moral agency in the decision to come here That was something of a no brainer I. mean the dream if it if it could have stood as a standalone piece of legislation, and it got caught up in all the complexities of trying to fix the whole immigration system, and there's a lot of the new fix it, but it would have passed quite easily on its own I think any time during the two thousands and even. Even, perhaps into the early part of of this decade, the two thousand and intends, but now you've got an administration which indicate remember the president for some time after his campaign indicated, this wasn't a step he wanted to take is now determined to double down even after the court's ruling and try to find some legal way to shove this through You know we know again. Lot of these DACA, eligible young people are working in the health industry in in one way or another. You know they've been doctors on the front line of the Cova crisis. They know they're Americans on everything but paper. They don't know their home countries for the most part it's just it's morally quite outrageous, and yet we find ourselves as a country in that position, and can debate the particulars of the Supreme Court decision. It was a pretty narrow regulatory action Kathleen can. Operate on that, but you know the fundamental issue is. Why would we want to deport these people? On what grounds a terrible thing for our economy, terrible thing for moral standing in the world, terrible them as individuals. It's just a morally indefensible action, and the fact that it's still on the table here in in two thousand twenty s pretty shocking. That sobering notion I'm going you happy now. I'm going to. Up for questions. Ladies and gentlemen as a reminder to ask a question, click on the raise hand icon zoom window when you're called on fleeces up the UNU- now button and proceed with your name affiliation followed by your question. We'll take the first question from Eric Pelewski. Thank you very much for doing this I guess. I had a couple of. Quick questions. On the ones that are already existing in this country are they allowed to come and go, or does their departure from the US even for vacation jeopardy. To the these two questions, servants fired by what you were commenting on. Given a lot of Ford. Students pay full freight. Is this put a lot of our universities and colleges into more economics? Stress in? They're already going to be. In three you mentioned about the fiancee's not being get interviews I guess I wonder. What is the explanation for? Delaying those kinds of visas inasmuch as. I guess I would assume that the folks at the White House or not expecting those people to find a more appropriate American Thank you. If you don't mind, I'll take the the first one on on the L.. So what we know at the moment is within the United States on June. Twenty Four. I have a valid visa. I travel outside of the United States and I return. I'm eligible to be admitted. Because I've got a valid. Ellison and I'm not subject to the proclamation. Here's the tricky part. What if I in the United States with a valid visa on June twenty fourth? My these than expires. And I depart the United States and I have to get a new base among going to be able to get a new L. Unqualified for it. We believe the answer to that one is yes, but get this State Department yesterday issued an Faq with an example of somebody. Outside of the United States slowdown with an L.. On June twenty. And they come into the United States. The visa expires. Are they going to be able to leave and be renewed and right now the answer seems to be. No. So we're really going to have to hang on and just be very cautious before you engage in international travel to get some better. Information. On the second part that's really more Ted with the issue of students and the logistics and logic, if there is any in this decision, the impact on. Universities which he borey said Ted is negative. I don't think it's going to improve it. Yeah I mean you know there's there's very clearly going to be a significant financial hit for the universities. The fact that foreign students pay you know for instance at public universities much higher tuition rates than the in state tuition that is paid by American. Students is is an important source of financing for many public universities across the country, and and we are. We are going into this fall looking at the biggest financial crisis that the universities of ever face, you'll be focused on the public university there you know some of the private universities have big endowments, and they probably ride this out, but but the knows a result of rising unemployment falling tax revenues Most states are looking at having. Having to cut their budgets for higher education anywhere between about fifteen and twenty five percent, which is an enormous company consider most of that is going to salaries, it one level or another I mean my own institution out here in western Washington a basically all non tenure track faculty are are not going to be rehired for the fall. Course offerings are going to be down dramatically to try to meet the budget target states are required to balance their budgets. They don't have the flexibility that the federal government has to run an ever expanding deficit there'll be a debate. This summer the Democrats in the house have passed legislation and want to push assistance to the state so direct. Contributions going to the states to help them meet their budget shortfalls that would reduce the impact somewhat, but the Republicans in the house have said they don't support that. The president has suggested he doesn't support it, so The universities were looking at a critical budget situation. With or without the restrictions on foreign students who put that on top, and and you're really you're facing the worst budget situation that universities in this country has faced in many many decades. Last part of your question related to k. one. Fiancee's and your question about whether or not they should be getting better US citizen. Spouse? That one! But but As far as Is, the is the K. One fiance, a threat to the US economy and I I just can't see that. The the K. One numbers of loan it to me are not a threat to the economy. But of course, the argument was made that. Immigrants people who applying for permanent residence. Eventually they get the green. Card are somehow all threat and I just don't think that we can use such broad brushes to up with a correct analysis of what the economic impact is, and that's short sighted in my opinion. To our detriment. Just to just to be clear. I wasn't actually suggesting that I was merely trying to say that I. Don't understand what the intellectual argument would be. Not Yeah, we're not talking in my opinion I. Don't know the argument either issue could come up with him. Please please tell me. Thank you thanks for the answers. I, thank you for an excellent question, excellent questions, I should say. So I want to expand the the discussion a little bit because this isn't the only movement we've seen on immigration policy recently I. Assume you you handle. Asylum cases as well Kathleen. Not many. I have other other people too many more than I do, but I can at least be at least. I can give you some information. People are way way more experience than I am in this area. So you know we've seen recently that the number of asylum-seekers, the United States is taken has fallen. Just think around eighteen, thousand, certainly less than twenty thousand a year, and Joe Biden has in his speech. He gave last week said that he would raise the number to about one hundred twenty five thousand I know that probably for the A in our audience today. This doesn't impact their businesses as much but. You know what kind of signal do you think it sends? When the United States has taken a position like this on people seeking asylum refugees, you want what's year. We'll. Start with this Catholic. Let me, just give you two sentences and alternative To me what it means. Is that. We are off course regarding where we stand as a nation from compassion perspective and historically why recreated? Asylum policy in refugee policy. and. It's to our collective detriment in my opinion embarrassment. I'll go ahead and say that. The number of individuals who seek this benefit. Is proportionately very small to our economy. And I think that it's it's a statement about where we. Place our importance, regarding our values by having an asylum policy that is welcoming and I do not WanNa put a shroud over the Statue of Liberty House that. so there are two different pieces of us just to be clear on, so the the numbers out center that you referring to have to do with refugee admissions the united. States and these are people who are abroad. The United States usually rayburn countries. There's a whole formal process that operates through the United Nations. High Commissioner for Refugees that involves the US State Department for a vetting these people and finding homes for them in countries that are willing to admit them. United States historically has been quite generous in admitting refugees from around the world mean most famously in the aftermath of the war in southeast. Asia, but at many other times, and so so the trump administration's. Progressive Lowering of the refugee cap to an unprecedented low of eighteen thousand again is completely out of character with every other administration, both parties for for decades the actual refugee admissions finger, going to be far smaller than that, and some of it is the disruption from Kobe. The other piece of this hits the news. A lot more often is is people arriving at the southern border if you arrive? Orders of the United States and say look I'm facing the same dangers. Refugee applicants are are claiming fear going back being tortured, being persecuted for my political opinions. It's not safe for me to go back home. Then there's a process for adjudicating that when you arrive at the border and be a longer conversation than we can have here, but the but the process has not worked well for for some number of years is a long backlog in the immigration courts that are adjudicating these cases. Cases and the trump administration has an endoscope back. The Obama Administration to be fair concerned about people arriving than being able to stay in the United States while their cases are being heard often you know two three four years, so the administration moved initially to persuade the Mexican government to hold these people on the Mexican side of the border while their cases are being adjudicated, that went into effect some months ago, and now with the covid crisis administration were not going to process any. Asylum applications at all, and so they shut down, the southern border for asylum application so much as we are closing all forms of immigration, we are basically closed to refugee and asylum seekers, and again that's just a a such a dramatic move from where the United. States has been historically, which is seeing itself as a champion in providing a safe haven for people who are fleeing persecution. It was a big part of our message to the world during the Cold War, so the fact that we have moved so far from that is is quite disturbing. said. Is there another question? Hugh, yes, we'll take the next question from Wassef a shadowy. Hi Guys, thanks for putting together such useful. Forum today for all of us with different sets of questions just do not take the same thread, but maybe for a different group of people. Do you foresee any legal options that us? Who are applying for their spouses green cards for example the consular processing waiting interviews that they can seek given the this law does not. Seem to be ending anytime soon, and there's a potential of being even expanded further. Are there any legal options they can seek on humanitarian grounds. Can a question for Kathleen. Yeah I mean as far as what we're talking about on. Let's go back to the April proclamation as what you're talking about when you mentioned immigrant visas, and so we know that they have an exception for spouses of US citizens, but we don't have that same exception for legal permanent residents, so you're left with I mean. You're left with the concern about whether or not I can go ahead and try to get a national interest exception depending upon what the person might be doing. It might have a medical spouse for example would be an example where we may be able to get an an appointment. But other than that. I mean we have the American immigration. Lawyers Association right now. Among others is considering a lawsuit concerning this current proclamation. And we'll see how that progresses, and if anybody might benefit from it, but that's only in a very nascent stage, so I wish I had a great answer of. Yes, there's a secret. Exception or clue that you can follow and right now. No, we don't have it. So. I I could ask you guys to look forward. And Queer, we need some positive things to talk about our potentially positive things. We don't obviously we do not know what's going to happen in November. But I have heard among people that. Know There were to be. A President Biden and if the Democrats were to take the Senate that quote I've heard a great quote here. Democrats have learned their lesson, and that they would prioritize immigration reform now. At This A. G. You think that there might be a moment arriving where we can't. We might see changes. And what kind of changes would you like to see now? I know where we don't have a tremendous amount of time and I'm sure the list is long and I know you intend served on. The Task Force novel job, and I hope that blueprint pulled off the shelf again, but. What are your thoughts on that? There in the Obama administration dead. Why would why would that change I? Mean unless there's serious control that shifts to the House and the Senate. What Yeah clearly there would have to be a serious shift to control but I do think. If if we have a strong democratic showing, if they take the Senate than and the in the White House. I think the debate will be very different so again to contrast what we were dealing with when we were on the task force, Kathleen, name you had think by and large both Republicans and Democrats pretty sympathetic to the idea of comprehensive immigration reform and Republicans very concerned about the enforcement piece you know the huge increase in the number of unauthorized migrants through the nineties and early parts of the two thousands concerned about border security in the wake of nine eleven, and so the magic formula there seemed to be some blending of immigration enforcement at the borders at the workplace monitoring overstays. Overstays all those issues plus the positive reforms in terms of changing some of the categories up. US Immigration providing a pass citizenship for unauthorized immigrants I. Don't think that's going to be where this debate starts. If the if the Democrats take the White House I suspect it's going to be much more. Can we move on a series of discrete pieces, no more effort to create a grand bipartisan compromise. The Republican Party is not the same. Republican Party has no interest in grand bipartisan compromise on this issue, so the question would be. What are the pieces where the Democrats can muster majority? Maybe if they need to get a few Republican votes to push these things, forward me I do think. Action by Congress is absolutely critical to take this back a bit to where we started. Which is the uncertainty? This causes for business in the United States. The uncertainty this causes for people thinking about coming in making their careers here. If all we were to get in a hypothetical Biden administration was a series of administrative actions that undid many of you know what was many of the things that were done during the trump administration. That would provide any more security than the current situation we've got because then. Presumably, a new administration could undo. Those were the stroke of a pen again, so we are desperately in need. Of Congressional reform to the laws, both because they're terribly out of date and ill, suited in many respects, but also just offer some kind of certainty going forward on what the rules are going to be here in the United States which you can tell from Kathleen. immigrants had no idea it very very hard to to know how you can get on the right side of the law anymore, and that's a terrible situation convenience. We'll take the next question from Jim Benjamin. Yet, thank you You know I'm looking at the polls of Republican voters in various border stage. And they historically have been overwhelmingly against undocumented immigrants. and. We have an unprecedent situation. We're going through right now. With I, the Chola crisis then literally tens of millions of people out of work, and then the reaction to George Floyd and I'm wondering what the panel thinks about this bleak base, which is so unpredictable, so. Who knows what's going to happen next tomorrow a week from now the can change things and what I find interesting is the duct position. Of Opinion About favorability tube immigration with black lives matter it's you see the pupils. It shows that so I'm wondering what you guys think about what is happening right now, and what could happen terms of changing perhaps those hardheaded people in the trump coalition that. have very tangible interest because they feel these undocumented people are threats to the precariousness. They have in terms of jobs. Just you know just a brief retort on that. When you think about what did not get included right now as far as these categories that are restricted for entry, non immigrant categories, the H. to the agricultural workers. Are Not included in this ban. And you know that the age to be category is utilized by. President trump among others to help out in providing essential workers. To me when we talked to the ranchers, for example, the dairy people people in agriculture. And, then we're talking about it legitimately that they cannot find someone with a particular expertise. and Ted already mentioned in his conversation with us today as well as in the article, he wrote about the importance of artificial intelligence in Hell. That's being vocal, pointed China. If? We're really trying to be competitive and provide jobs. The statistics regarding immigration support the fact that immigrants create jobs. That's a hard thing for people to get their head around right now. But we're cutting off. What is that expression cutting off your leg? Rather body parts? Fight your face because you're not considering a whole. Situation and how countries benefited by immigrants? What's going to work in my state in Texas. we have a lot of people that are are very pro immigrant a still. We're in a horrible economy right now, so my my pitches. Job Resources coming from immigrants and trying to document that whether or not that logic works is a different issue on some people but. It's all I can do as an attorney in trying to provide information for people to Digest. Ted You are way more the policy person than I. Am so I'd love to hear what you say. I mean I think those are all excellent comments. I mean if I go back to our our task force report. I we argued at the time that you know a proper immigration system would have some flexibility to adjust according to economic conditions right around when when you have very high rates of joblessness in the United States is not a time when you want to be expanding immigration dramatically, you don't want to be cutting it off entirely either for all the reasons we've talked about here today, but if you had flexible system, you would probably try to turn the tap off a little bit. When unemployment was high gear and turn it back on more when unemployment was lower at lot of. Do that we don't have that flexibility here. Because the Lahser were, numbers are actually written by Congress and Congress has been unable to to change the the the question about unauthorized migrants, it's been front and center now in the debate in this country for for twenty five years, I think if you look at the numbers, it's far more under control than it has ever been before I mean. Mean even as joblessness came down following the great recession to historically low levels, the number of people crossing illegally did not increase in significant ways as you would have expected. Most of the people arriving at the border now are asylum-seekers. They're two different grounds. They're saying they're fleeing persecution. Clearly, there are economic migrants among them, but I think the illegal migration piece is far more under control. Control than it's ever been before that southern border is more secure than it's been in any of our lifetimes. There is still room I think for much better enforcement at the workplace we, we still don't have Greeley adequate workable workplace enforcement system, but but it seems to me. We've moved a long way from some of those practical conversations about how to find the right balance between A. A general openness immigrants awareness of how much they have brought to this country. Making sure we have a reasonable rule of law. I would like to get back to that conversation. Rather than the sort of absurd claims we have from this administration that cutting off legal immigration is somehow going to help workers in the United States we know pretty clearly from the evidence s just not true. So I think we're. We're at the end of our time. I WANNA. Thank our terrific panelists. Kathleen in Ted for joining us today and for all of you. Out there on zoom. and I believe that this is this is recorded right so people can access it later, but again. Thank you for joining us at an uncertain time and extra terrific panelists. Thanks very much. Thank you, thank you take care.

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Visa restrictions could lead to more offshoring

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Visa restrictions could lead to more offshoring

"Yes, macroeconomics can be hard, but the law of unintended consequences does not grade on a curve. From American public media. This is marketplace. In Los Angeles I'm Kai. Tuesday today twenty three June is always to have your long everybody. We begin today with Presidential Proclamation Number One, zero, zero, one four, the official title of which is proclamation suspending entry of aliens who present a risk to the US labor market, following the coronavirus outbreak. In somewhat more plain language president trump has decided to stop hundreds of thousands of foreign workers from getting jobs in this economy, their stricken on work visas are in place through the end of the year, although renewable, and they apply to a whole lot of highly skilled jobs, usually in stem fields, also those seasonal hospitality, workers and students on summer work study programs to stories on this story. Start things off today, the common theme of which is. You know sometimes things. Don't work out the way you think. They're gonNA from the Workplace Culture Desk Marketplace's Megan mcardle. CARINO'S UP I. The cutting off the says is that American companies will hire Americans, but it's often not that simple foreign workers helped the economy says Giovanni petty an economist at the University of California, Davis worker are allowing these companies to grow to improve their productivity day are connected with other jobs. We American are doing. He's found cities that have higher numbers of immigrants working in stem fields on H.. One B. Visas for specialty occupations also have more job and wage growth for. Workers and when companies can't hire workers from abroad, they often simply move jobs instead says. British Glennon a professor of management at University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, so those jobs aren't necessarily Americans. It just means that those jobs are going to another country. She found restrictions on H.. One B. Visas led firms to move more jobs to China India and Canada during the early two thousands, but allowing companies to. To hire more immigrants doesn't necessarily slow. The exporting of jobs overseas says Ron, here, a professor of political science at Howard, university and author of outsourcing America, so the net effect of H. One bs to speed up offshoring. He says of the top thirty companies that received the most H.. One B. Visas. Half of them are staffing firms that send jobs abroad, so they have the US workers trained. Trained the H. One B. Workers who had a return home as their ultimate aim is to try to shift the work off shores just possible. He advocates reforms to the immigration system to limit such abuses, while still allowing for innovation growth but Warton's British Glennon, says the limits put in place by the trump administration could change the course of business for years or even decades to come if it. It becomes difficult to hire people in your US office. You may shift more than just those immigrant jobs abroad. She says once companies start moving jobs. The innovation that fuels growth goes along with them I. Megan mccurdy, Carino for marketplace, so let's take a slice of the American labor force. Because immigration is right, it's a labor story. Let's take a slice and apply this new trump administration rule to. Of course the rule of unintended consequences. A category of work visa known as H. One B. is Meghan saying among the visas that have been shut off its among the biggest categories of work visas, and it is used by among other industries healthcare, and as marketplace's Jasmine GARS reminds us. We got a pandemic on. Dr Mu Cash Gopala. Krishna is an emergency cardiologists at a retirement community an hour outside of Tucson Arizona ongoing cardiologists who bad luck! Basin the week these days. He sees a lot of covid nineteen patients. He was born in India and is here on H. One B. Visa in America around twenty eight percent of doctors, thirty five percent of home aids and twenty percent of nursing assistance are foreign born for many international medical students. The way to stay in the US after graduation is by serving at risk communities that includes rural areas much like where Dr Gopala Krishna is practicing last year. Rural areas accounted for sixty six percent of the health. Professional Shortage Areas Richard Burke. Burke is with envoy global which prepares visa applications for businesses like hospitals. He says the issue is simply supply and demand you. Citizens of the students are not graduating in the requisite levels with stem degrees to address this shortage, which is only gonNA. Get more profound. The trump administration has said the freeze on work. Visas will protect jobs that could go to American Workers Masa. Come Bobby an attorney with the American immigration. Lawyers Association says that won't happen. You need these H.. One B. Physicians who are willing to go to Alabama or Georgia. Parts of the beltway just don't have enough doctors now. This sends a signal to all of them. Look, we don't care about you. We don't want you to come here and work in the United States and she's worried. The visa freeze will push them to get jobs in other countries. I'm Jasmine garnished for marketplace. This quick item immigration adjacent from the marketplace desk of Yeah I guess turnabout is fair. Play the, new. York Times reports today that as the European Union prepares to reopen its borders, a draft list of countries whose nationals will not be welcome to travel to the European Union because they failed to control the virus. That list includes Russia Brazil. And the United States. There was a little aga in the markets overnight, but all was well once the bell sounded. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. There was a bit of a set to last night. A been back and forth some cross trade policy wires. I guess you'd say the Guy. who was nominally in charge of this administration's trade policy that it'd be Peter Navarro. The Director of the National Trade Council said on Fox News yesterday that the U. S. China. Trade deal was over. It's over is what he said. Couple three hours later Navarro had said the videotape had quoted him out of context. National Economic, Council Director Larry Cudlow, had said the trade deal is not dead, and their boss had taken to his favorite social media website, and said it is in fact firmly intact that deal. The futures markets had a modified freak out to the whole thing was over, but then this morning the world. Trade Organization said global trade in the second quarter, had dropped eighteen and a half percent compared to a year ago. Marketplace's Kimberly Adams is on the trade desk today for context that big a drop in trade is really bad. Here's WTO director. General Roberto as Vado in a youtube video. It will be the. The steepest on record, but there is an important civil irony here. The falling trade could have been much worse. Earlier. Estimates had trade falling more than thirty percent this year. Now it looks like the hit will be closer to thirteen percent. Trade is about people wanting stuff in one country within parts and labor coming together from other countries to get that thing to them, but that's tough to do in pandemic there's. There's five different countries involved in making a blue widget with white POLKA DOTS. Christine mcdaniel is a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center. In one of those countries is not operating at full capacity than the rest of the supply chain, either has to slow down or stop or find an alternative earlier in the pandemic. A lot of trade just stopped, but now says Jeffrey Gertz at the Brookings Institution now we're. We're entering this new phase where there seems to be these rolling blackouts of country is turning on and off the economy's going in and out of lockdowns, even as economies in Europe, and the US reopen for now more cases and lockdowns and Brazil India and sub Saharan. Africa create more disruptions doubted. Jawara is with Africa focused investment firm Alta partners. He gives the example of a key port in Kenya ships on. Mamba than room to unfinished materials on being sold and distributed in Kenya. Rwanda Burundi Tanzania all of the kind of inland countries, keeping trade flowing requires countries to keep the virus under control, but that's a big, if so the WTO and other trade groups create a best case scenario, a worst case scenario and crossed their fingers in Washington I'm Kimberly Adams for marketplace? I. I. We're what now three days into the summer of two thousand twenty. And for those, for whom summer jobs are an economic necessity. Well. Sorry last year this time with unemployment at record lows more than half of sixteen to twenty four year. Olds had a summer job not so here in this pandemic economy. Marketplace's Kristen Schwab is on that one. Maybe you've been to camp or your kids. Have you know arts and crafts? Swimming Bug Bites, and of course the camp song raw bre Canfora. Firm together. Stand really. Slaughter has been going to rock camp for girls in North Carolina since she was, Tan. She's twenty two now, and this would have been her fifth summer as a counselor. Would have been because camp is canceled Sarah. T. So route camp thin lar- hearts will stand for loyalty. Slaughter is an English lit major at Auburn University in Alabama and the thirty three hundred dollars. She makes every summer usually helps her pay for books, which doesn't go very far because text books are expensive, but it's not just money. She'll miss out on. Slaughter wants to be a teacher and she says camp helps her build leadership skills. It gives me the opportunity to create bonds with these campers a lot of times. These girls are looking. Looking for role models, this summer is going to be hard on a lot of young people who are counting on being able to get a job especially in travel, tourism and restaurants which hire a lot of seasonal workers. What happens to a seasonal economy when the season doesn't come, that's Betsy Stevenson. A former chief economist with the Labor Department. What will actually see? Is the season not coming, but it coming in such a partial way. That there is a lot of permanent job destruction, and it reaches far beyond young people to workers who take on second jobs in the summer and teachers who use the season to earn extra cash and for a lot of businesses in vacation towns. Summer isn't just these season. It's the only season tour operators, bike, rentals and boardwalk shops typically closed for winter. This year is GonNa be a tough year financially. There's no answer US Mark Nevada manages will cross it resort on Cape Cod. He usually brings in around five hundred employees to work as housekeepers, servers and. And groundskeepers nearly all of them are seasonal and come back year after year. This summer he thinks will have to cut hiring in half because bookings are way down. We're going to onboard as demand grows, but we don't know exactly what that demand will be. A lot of businesses like sports franchises. Don't if there will be any demand at all, Sarah, Alcoa is twenty and we'll be a senior at UC. Santa Cruz in the fall. She was supposed to work for the La Dodgers Foundation this summer, but with the season disrupted. She's out of a job. When working every summer and follow. or really tough situation. She said she looked everywhere for work, but didn't have any luck so instead. It decided to take classes while I didn't really have a choice. Then, she got an internship with an education nonprofit show work fewer hours and won't make as much as she would have with the dodgers, but the internship could help her when she applies to Grad School in the fall. I'm kristen trump, for marketplace. Coming up twenty twenty is probably going to be the most challenging year. Chinese companies ever. Oh It's a challenging year everywhere gang but I. WanNa. Let's do the numbers. Industrial is up one hundred and thirty one points today, a half, percent, twenty, six, thousand, one, five, six, the Nasdaq up seventy four points, three quarters of one percent at ten, thousand, one, hundred, thirty, one, and the Nasdaq the S. and P. Five hundred up thirteen about four tenths percent, thirty, one and thirty one their meat, alternative producer beyond meat lost more than four percent today, starbucks travel impossible foods maker, the impossible Burger for its summer menu meatless breakfast sandwich say that ten times fast beyond meat recall when public in May of last year impossible foods is private starbucks up a tenth of one percent today and you're listening to marketplace. This is marketplace. I'm Kai Ryssdal. Megan Jasmine were laying out earlier in the program. What president trump's new limits on work? Visas might mean for this economy because to repeat myself. Immigration is a labor force story. We are going to turn now. Though to some immigration history how we used to let people come to America, and how that relates to some of what is happening today. Jilin Yang's new book about her family and the changes we've made immigration laws through the years is called one mighty and irresistible tied welcome to the program. Thanks for having me told me first of all, would you? How your parents came to the United States? They came as students really so they grew up in Taiwan, and in their twenties they came to the US for graduate education, my dad and economics, my mom and science, and they then decided to stay and build a life here, and for me I never really knew the story of why they were allowed to stay sort of took that part for granted, but the story of coming for their education than settling in being married having me, that was always the story. The back story of course is the immigration law of nineteen sixty five. Yeah, how did they? How did that benefit them I guess the question. So, our entire family is here. My my mom's siblings are here. They have kids of their own, and essentially the story of why everyone is here is traced back to this law. And I think that's the case for many Americans, especially asian-americans. This law was really important, because it basically said we're not going to be picking immigrants based on their ethnicity anymore. In the past, the government had prioritized people. People from northern. Western Europe to deter people from countries that they thought were undesirable, and so in sixty five they eliminated that form of discrimination and instead said you know if you already have someone coming here. This is what the trump administration calls chain migration, their sibling, their parents. Their child gets priority to get a visa, and it really is why the demographics of this country are changing so rapidly. Has To be pointed out that this law comes amid the Civil Rights Act of the mid nineteen sixties in the protests, and yet somehow gets subsumed right. It does kind of get lost. You say in your introduction. It's kind of a little known law. From this time it relatively little known I think it's increasingly recognized as an important one. I think probably because the people who wrote it didn't realize how significant it would be, either you know for them. It was this capstone achievement to rectify discrimination against. In particular, Jewish and Italian Americans, but no one thought that through the way that this law would reshape our immigration system that America's racial demographics would be changed forever. That was not on people's minds. There is. Certainly now, and I'll leave it to you to explain how might have existed in the past, but attention between. the family reunification. For American immigration policy and the desire of getting skilled emigrants to this country. Does that play in this law and in the decades since? It's a really critical piece of the history. The thing to remember is that for a long time we essentially had open borders, but over time starting in the fifties, we began to sort of these requirements and ways of thinking about you know. Do we want people who are highly skilled and in sixty five and there was this huge debate over okay. You're not going to do ethnic quotas. How are we going to pick? WHO's GONNA come into this country and they arrived at family. Interestingly as a way of keeping the country more white, in fact, at first, they wanted to prioritize skills, but they switched it and said let's actually prioritize families because that'll protect the white ethnic identity of this country, and ever, since then most of the green cards that are issued are based on family ties, and now the trump White House of course is really trying to change that you know they keep claiming that this is because of the pandemic. It's because of the economic fallout, and so they constantly talk about chain migration. Migration and our laws, I think they realize are exactly why this country's demographics have changed so much in ways that I think we haven't really fully grappled with. We just sort of assume that we've always been a nation of immigrants, but I think when you look at the history, you begin to see the ways in which were constantly choosing who can come in who cannot who has the right papers who doesn't each of these decisions are very political fight and we're just in the middle of that all over again now. Jilin Yang is a deputy national editor at The New York Times. Her book is called one mighty and irresistible time. Thanks for coming in. Thanks for having me so much. Jackson's book is out now. We've got an excerpt at marketplace dot org about why the practical effects of that law were so much different than anybody had been guessing. You know I've been saying since this pandemic started that it's exposing some of the troubling underlying realities of this economy, some of them big like inequality and racism, some of them a little bit less big supply chain problems in the like. Same thing is happening elsewhere in the world in China for sure shops and businesses, most of them anyway are open, and the talk is turning to practicalities like getting paid and as marketplace's Jennifer pack reports from Shanghai. That is not a new problem over there. Was it. At a starbucks in Shanghai. Jiao gend is on the phone. He runs a company that supplies pumps and pipes to float and pharmaceutical factories since the coronavirus outbreak. He chases clients to pay overdue bills once a week. Or seventy by. About a third of my clients don't pay on time. That was true even before the pandemic it some won't transfer the money unless I remind them. So far. He says he's only had one client default on payment. He took the firm to court and won, but still hasn't seen the money he's owed for him. It's all about what Chinese call one sheet, personal trust and connections. Go just as one you. How's your shampoo to? Do Business, in China, we operate on mutual trust, contracts are useless. Courts can do much for us either. He says he can't be too picky about clients. Business hasn't been as good in the downturn of the past few years. There's too much competition and less easy credit. John Wall owns a fabric trading company in eastern Gijon province. You know so about in twenty fourteen payments would arrive one month after we delivered coming became forty five days than three months now payments take six months or longer, and that's risky for businesses. If a client delays payment for more than six months, there's an eighty percent chance he won't pay. Says Asia. Economists Carlos Cazenove with the credit insurance firm. Firm Co fast when you already have accumulated a payment delay, and this accounts for large portion of your annual turnover ten percent, then you are in a situation where if there's an exogenous shock like over Nineteen, you might stumble into Castro difficulties out of some one thousand companies. He served in China last year. Sixty six percent said their clients delayed payments. He expects the situation will be worse this year. Twenty is probably going to be the most challenging year for Chinese companies ever. With growth expected to drop according to our forecasts to one percent in two thousand twenty. That is quite unprecedented cove in nineteen, crisis has wiped out overseas orders for fabric, traitor junk wall, but he says he has some domestic orders that should keep him afloat. He admits though he has a lot more time to go fishing these days. Back at starbucks factory equipment supplier walks out in says he's more proactive about chasing debt nowadays, but he doesn't push to heart. You got your challenge. Chinese people care a lot about relationships. Chase, my clients to aggressively it might hurt their self-esteem. They'll say. I never said I won't pay you. He says find an excuse. A good time to chase debts in China is the end of the lunar year. When businesses need to close their books, the practice is so common that before the Lunar New Year back in January and days before the pandemic shutdown. Much of China's economy, you could hear on public transport people, chasing death, or like this businessman being asked to pay up. August yeah Algebra. You need to send me an invoice. You only sent me a picture of your bank. How do I know how much money I owe you? Humor can help to businessmen. Junkin who sells lights posted a video on the Chinese version of TIKTOK. Clients will mean money he points. The camera to a bowl of rice topped with Lao Gunma Chili Sauce Magen CNN. One can look at this without money. I can only afford logon macchia. SASA, my rice, please. He says. Send your payment to me as soon as you can. In Shanghai, I'm Jennifer Pack. For marketplace. Will. ooh! This final note on the way out today. I'm going to go to the Transportation Security Administration well one more time as you know, it's one of my key indicators in this whole thing, TSA passenger throughput for yesterday and a year ago yesterday we are over six hundred thousand people who are feeling good enough about what's going on to fly six, hundred, seven, thousand, actually the. The first time north of six hundred cases March. Yes, YOU'RE AGO! Yesterday was two point seven million, but you know progress not for nothing, but molly would, and I were talking to a doctor about this pandemic on our podcast this morning. Make me smart. It's called the podcast. Check it out anyway. He said this doctor. Did you know all precautions? Being taken, he would fly. Are we are Outta here, but not without a moment of economic context. We got numbers on May home sales this week. New Home Sales this morning to be specific up almost thirteen percent in May from a year ago and in closely related news mortgage rates about as low as they have ever been. Our digital and on demand team includes carry Barber Samantha, Fields Ben Heck Code Sarah. Menendez Allies Mills Janet Win Zarni have is is their executive director of on demand, and I'm Kai Ryssdal we will see Mar, but. This is APN.

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The Iranian American Perspective On The U.S. And Iran

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47:15 min | 1 year ago

The Iranian American Perspective On The U.S. And Iran

"This is one A.. I'm todd's Willik in Washington in Washington state last week and more than sixty travelers of Iranian descent were detained and questioned at the US. Canada border now. Many among them were Iranian Americans pickens United States citizens which meant they should have been granted lawful entry without delay. US Customs and Border Protection claimed the initial reports on these detachments were false. We have more on that story in just a few minutes here on Wednesday but up I in two thousand fourteen. Jason Ryan was working as a journalist in Tehran. When the Iranian then government forces raided his home arrested he and his wife? y'All GonNa also journalist. He was held hostage for five hundred forty four days before his release taken captive active by the Iranian revolutionary. Guard Corps costume. Sulamani was a major general of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps before he was killed in the US air strike over the weekend. Resigned joins me now with his perspective on this latest confrontation with Iran. Jason is the author of the memoir prisoner my five hundred forty four days in an Iranian prison. He's also a global opinions writer at the Washington Post and he joins me now. Jason Great to talk to you once again. Thanks for having me on talk Jason the I. R. G.. See How do you think they'll respond to the killing of General Suleimani. It's GonNa take some time for us to issue how this actually plays out there. Still in the midst of their public mourning for general soul money And that is typical of Of Shia tradition. But I think that we should expect is the unexpected. That's been the hallmark of Iran's responses over the years it frankly because they don't have the kind of military might that could Stack up against What the US has in terms of firepower? So you might concern. Concern is the response will be audacious in nature targeting potentially American citizens or interests in the region along with possibility even of attempts to to make attacks here on US soil. I don't want to be alarmist about that but a I think that the the nature of The killing of of of general money is such that They feel like they're gonNA after respond in some sort of commensurate way But as I said it'll be a matter of time before before we actually know what that we read last evening. Being that the Ayatollah Khamenei spoke to the Iranian National Security Council in a rare meeting and instructed them at the response should be out in the open not Iranian Iranian proxy Shiite militia but Irani and military out in the open. I may have also read that. It should be against American military targets. But I'm not sure if that last part is right. How do you interpret purpose? Those instructions I- I think that that's kind of par for the course I told Hamas one of the original members of Of this regime one of the founding members has been supreme leader for over thirty years now And one of the main pillars of of his reign as you want to call it. That has been a staunch anti us. Approach I think that we've seen the Iran's is proxies in Iraq Syria Yemen Afghanistan Do very damaging destructive things against Our allies and in some cases against American soldiers I think this is an indication that you know. There's response we'll have Iran on signature on it Jason. The New York Times quoted Afghan Asta scholar on Iran at the Naval Postgraduate School. WHO said we are in uncharted territory? And the truth of the matter is nobody knows how Iran is going to respond. I don't even think Iran knows but I think there is a bloodlust right now in the Revolutionary Guards What does that mean? Aside from the immediate anger over Sulamani assasination. Look these are people who have been involved in armed conflicts conflict Since the early nineteen eighty s I Iran fought a of an incredibly bloody eight-year war with Iraq under Saddam Hussein at the time and Over a million people were killed in that war. This was the last sort of a front to front a trench style. wore the that maybe the world will ever see a but these are people who have a lot of experience with killing and also the ideology of of the Islamic Republic and the Revolutionary Guard Corps is is kind of guided by that ideology is one of seeking martyrdom for martyrdom for the cause laws of the revolution so You know these people are very afraid of dying if you WANNA put it like that and and I think that for for those in the I. R. G. C. Somali was such a revered figure. Such a cult of personality built around him in Iran state media that that That this is a major affront to those individuals who part of that That Revolutionary Guard Corps her and was designed to such. Now you've been writing in the Washington Post of course about this confrontation and on the other side of this calculus. You write that. Even though there are a lot of different opinions in Iran about how to respond to this escalation as they see it from the United States certainly in Esscalation that in the end no one in Iran in any position. Authorioty actually wants a war Do you believe that that's the case. Do believe that. That's an adequate ballast towards Spiraling out of control control here. Look I would. I would say that there actually are some people within the power structure who Would would actually welcome a war. I think that the the Iranian people Are Are the ones that you have to think about. In this case there's eighty million of them They've been through a long war. They've been through economic warfare in the form of sanctions nations. These people are tired. They don't want to To be Subjected to another decade or or generation of conflict with a foreign power so that being said although Iran's government is not necessarily or isn't I should say representative. There is a need to bend to public opinion from time to time. And I just don't see the likelihood of Iranians lining up to join the military frontlines in this in this specific circumstance. So I think there will be a tendency to trying right void a prolonged conflict with us. I certainly don't think it's in anybody's interest. We're going to be speaking later in the show with Iranian Americans Arkins getting the perspective on Iranian Americans in Los Angeles in across the country and their reaction to this latest escalation. But we've been hearing from listeners. Jason including Zafar. Listen Hi my name is Afar. I'm calling from Fairfax Virginia. I'm Moosonee from Afghanistan and go. I don't defense money in any way. I'm really gravely concerned about the consequences of a possible war with Iran affecting up Ghanistan. It's very fadul situation and while L. Afghanistan is on like the US we also have a neighbor nealon and I think that's GonNa be very precarious to carry on both of those relationship nations ship on Afghan and then we don't need any more naked baby. We don't need any more attention because as it is we're already dealing with so much and this is just it's something that's GonNa set everything back and I hope I hope it doesn't get to that. Thanks my mistake I I. It's hard isn't Iranian-american. Clearly Roots in Afghanistan Dan adjacent but he is concerned about regional stability ajar as are a lot of people look I. I think that that's been an issue in the Middle East and western Asia for a very long time. It'll continue to be and I know it's not a popular view among Among eh the US policy establishment. But you know so money was Fighting alongside the US in In a way in the fight against Isis this was there the figure that was sort of most successful in putting down Isis in In Syria and Iraq in coordination the weather or not direct coordination is not abundantly clear but with the United States An and I think it's that concern that this will be even more of a destabilizing Turn of events is one that's shared by a lot of people inside Iran and regionally that's is not to say that People aren't necessarily fans of him or the I. R. J. C. A.. But the fact is there is a sort of unspoken contract between states states and their populations whether or not they're democratically representatives states or not That there's an expectation that the state is is going to provide certain services education healthcare jobs also security within your borders and as is disruptive as the I. R. G. C. has been in many ways. One cannot argue the fact that Iran has been mostly free from internal internal attacks on their country over the past. It's Jason we're going to go in just a minute We've been talking about the prospects of escalation and re-escalation Shen and spiraling confrontation. Is there a way that you see to peacefully Disa- deescalate tensions at this point real estate. Always they're always as a way to de-escalate tensions. You know any war and conflict. We've ever had ends with negotiation. So let's let's get to that a little sooner than than than having to put American troops Lives on the line unfortunately You know the the. US government has made the decision to not allow Iran's Foreign Minister Amodu a give a talk at the UN This week I'm no fan of his and I've have written very critically about him In my own personal feelings about him in my book because he was a key figure in my Prolonged period as a hostage hostage of the Islamic Republic at the end of the day though there are rules and regulations that the UN we host the UN and part of that that hosting is that we have to allow all member states representatives into the US to air their views. When we don't do that we're closing off pathways diplomacy and I think that's mistake? The Jason Resign is global opinions writer at The Washington Post and author of prisoner. My five hundred forty four days in an Iranian prison Jason as always is your perspective means so much to us. Thanks for being here is pleasure. Thank you still to come. We'll add more voices to this conversation. Talk about how. 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Start Your Day informed six days a week now from NPR news. Welcome back one A.. It's Todd's Willeke as we were talking with. Jason resigned on. We took a call from afar from Fairfax Virginia. WHO said he was concerned about? Regional tensions escalation with ron destabilizing his home country of Afghanistan and Secretary of State Mike pompeo appearing before the press now says that Iran is he's actively and this is a quote quote actively working to undermine the peace process in Afghanistan by continuing its long global effort to support militant groups there. That's that's the statement from the Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. We're going to keep following that story as people look toward regional stability in the confrontation between the United States in in Iran. But let's move it domestically now because there were more than sixty Iranians and Iranian Americans many of them. US citizens reportedly detained detained at the border with Canada over the weekend. Why did that happen? Such a move would be unprecedented. President Trump's travel ban implemented in two thousand seventeen included Iran on and has resulted in increased scrutiny and barriers of travelers to a of Iranian descent entering the United States. Customs and Border Protection says much the reporting so far has been false on this story joining us by phone to talk about the weekends. Border issue is Sarah Vini Metro reporter for the Los Sandra Time Sarah. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Also with me in the studio is on Connor Young's homeland security correspondent for the New York Times. I want to have you thanks so much. We're we're talking about escalating tensions between the US and Iran and how it impacts iranian-americans and Sara you reported on the detaining of these Iranian Americans at the border last weekend In the La Times many of these people are US citizens. What kinds of stories did you hear? What do we know about exactly what happened? Yes so there been a few people that we've been able to talk to you over the course of the last few days who shared experiences of sort of being pulled aside given a slip and taken into a a general room where a lot of other people of Iranian descent were waiting to be questioned by a CPA DP officials and they sort of described the questioning the they received. which was you know kind of some of the basic questions that you would expect at the border but then also names? A family members the immigration status of family members Whether their fathers served in the Iranian military which is mandatory in Iran although some wealthy people have been able to sort of buy out of being in the military all that being he said there are there questions that people especially who are American citizens did not expect being subjected to didn't expect It's troubling I mean. US citizens. I'm not a lawyer and we're about to introduce a person who is who can help us on this Sarah but a US citizen. It does say on the inside of my passport passport that I'm supposed to be sped through without delay Not a not a citizen of a foreign country at the US border but a US citizen. Why would they be detained at all? All it's a good question you know. CB says that they were not detained But our our first hand witnesses are people who actually went through the process of being held. Say that they spent several hours in some cases. It's eleven hours sometimes. Twelve hours In in this room basically waiting to be able to cross back into the country which which they live in America so I we're still trying to get answers on exactly what happened and why so? Many people were delayed for so long zone Kinda young the New York Times. You've been reporting on this to. Can you tell them right. So the difficult thing here and in the confusing thing is that if you look at C. P. Statement what they're denying is that people were detained or turned away but what they're not denying that people were given what's known as a secondary screening now secondary screening. When you look at what what is described from these witness accounts that seems to be what happened and they have not denied that so to describe that c. p. said that they did not detain anybody as as a result of their country of origin? However they did not deny that that anybody was given a secondary screening that being taken to a waiting room and held held for hours and questioned about their background as a result of their country of origin? You speak to current as well as former customs and border protection officials. They they will tell you that. One of the factors for taking somebody in for that extra. Scrutiny is their country of origin for furthermore when there is an incident like we've I've seen over the past week when there is a heightened threat level from Iran and even when DHS issues terrorism advisory now highlighting Iran. When you speak to CB officials they will tell you? I mean we spoke to a former commissioner for customs and Border Protection. WHO said after you issue that bulletin agents on the ground are going to look at country origin? It is now going to be given a heightened emphasis and for that you look at these agents on the ground. They see this bulletin. They're going to then look at people's country of origin and probably take them in for extra scrutiny. We reached out to sea for comment. They didn't give us a response response. zone on January fifth see. BP tweeted in this is social media posts that CPI is detaining iranian-americans and refusing their entry into the United States because of country of origin are false dimension that reports that VHS CB has issued a related directive are also false. Now you were just talking about the bulletin. Yeah I don't know if a bulletin editor are different things in bureaucratic lands or what exactly this means. So they were denying is what was put out on social media by certain advocacy groups a national directive that they would detain in pullover Iran Iranians who looked quote unquote suspicious. That's what they were denying. However as you noted in what we reported on Saturday the Department of Homeland Security issued an update due to its terrorism advisory now these advisories are issued periodically? The last one was issued July of last year. And what it does is it is a I warning is supposed to be a guide for law enforcement in the public around the country. To be on heightened alert and what this advisory said is that what Iran is now. There's now a heightened threat level for Iran and. They've warned that there is going to or that. There could be. I should say Retaliation from Iran. Iran has said that themselves and what they warned of is that it could come in the form of a inspired attacked by homegrown extremists. Miss there were. CPP's works But more likely that it could be a cyber attack but again and that happens on Saturday We also know based off of a letter that we've obtained let's see BP sent to members of Congress that there was also a a telephone conference by. CB P officials with multiple leaders across the country in the agency saying to be on heightened alert. So you have those two things then. This happens and as C. B. P. officials have said when something like this happens there's going to be an added focus on country of origin so it sounds like while the top of the hierarchy is saying no bulletin no bulletin the reality on the ground for agents in the wickets in the booths. When when somebody steps up is there is a torrent of bulletins flying around regardless of who in the government issued them? And there's this this this heightened sense of of I'll call it threat if you're if you're a border official I want to bring in David. Leopold former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association practicing immigration. Gracious Attorney David. Welcome thanks for having me secondary screening for a US citizen As was just mentioned. Is that things things that appropriate if you have a US passport and your US citizen are you subjected to eleven hours of questioning absolutely not The US a US citizen returning from overseas or from Canada who shows a US passport and identifies him herself must be allowed entry into into United States. The only other issue would be common customs. Questions what did you buy overseas that sort of thing and the same actually goes for a lawful permanent resident a green card holder older. You know once they show their green card that once they establish their residency and their identification and they have a proper passport. They should be allowed in most circumstances to proceed into the United States so to detain somebody for eleven hours and ask about a military Family history or religion or politics or allegiance to the United States or to Iran or to any other country is illegal legal and this detention these detentions that have been described Reporting and and just now smack of illegal activity by customs customs and border protection. And if you read their tweet which you did if you read it carefully they do not deny the interogations. What they're denying thing is that they didn't that they Prohibited Entry and by law. They have to permit entry of any. US citizen into the United States And a lawful permanent resident for that matter Who establishes the residency so I don't trust that tweet. And frankly I don't trust anything. That customs and Border Protection. Says we know this is the same agency that that was perpetrating. Separation of children from their parents that perpetrated All kinds of of horrors over the last two years so their credibility is really low. Sarah Parveen what did you hear from the people you talked to about the condition the circumstances the the vibe of that time in detention if indeed it was ten or eleven hours there's no way it was pleasant What did you hear so one of the things I actually heard across the board word? was that the officers themselves. Were pretty friendly and weren't trying to give people a hard time while they were waiting That said you know it was as you said about sixty people Over the KORCEA of of Saturday who had been put into a large waiting room and so it was cramped. I heard descriptions of people saying that you know parents were kind of sitting down or curling up on the floor because there wasn't enough seats seats for everyone you know people were hungry and so the officers would try to bring snacks or toys for the kids The over all you know people were pretty distraught because they didn't think they would be in this situation and then there's a bunch of people sitting in a waiting room sort of being called hold up one by one asked questions being sent back and then if they had more questions being called back up again So it was just a little bit of a hectic tactic and yet prolonged at the same time situation. David I wanted to just go back to what David because he mentioned something very important. And that's CBP statement and again. It didn't acknowledge what seemed to have happened here you know. They denied that they were turning people. Away that in there were detainment but again that term it seems like they don't consider what happened to be detainment and thus they're not addressing what actually happened at the Washington into port of entry As far as the confusion as well of what happened. We've seen this before you know the guests here of said that today Age Age for our reporting showed as well the agents would rotate on shift. Come in and they'd be confused at what was happening. What's going on? There's a room full of these people here. This this isn't normal and we can go back. You opened up the segment by mentioning the travel ban. You know there is a history here of this administration rushing after a change and national security policy and agents at airports and at Port of entries being confused about how to implement David. I WANNA connect us to two thousand seventeen in the travel ban because in many senses this story with people from Iran isn't new parts of last week or new but the travel ban included included Iranians in barred Iranian nationals. From entering to this country at all in many Iranian Americans were affected at that time as well. Well look look. Let's be really clear. I think it's really important to separate out the the American citizens. First of all I mean they may be of Iranian descent but they they are u s citizens and they are entitled to expedited review and entrance into the United States period. I don't care what author politics are. I don't care what their allegiances I don't care what their family members do. These are United States citizens and for them to be treated differently because of national origin is illegal. It violates the constitution it violates the law and that's what see BP apparently from this reporting was engaging the you know and they can parse words and tell us this wasn't a detention quote unquote detention. But the question I have at that point is these children sleeping on on the floor and he's US citizen children sleeping on the floor in Blaine Washington at the CBT detention at the border facility We're AFRITA leave with these. US citizens free to get up and leave during that eleven hour period. It doesn't sound like it. This was a detention and this was illegal and it has nothing to do with our. It should have nothing to do with the current Current heightened tensions with Iran. And taking this us to travel ban. That was awful. And that was that was thrown out by that had to be reiterate redone and redone until finally they got it right in a much more watered down version of banning Iranians and others from the United States but still even the travel ban in its final iteration. The travel ban three point. Oh had to recognize that Iranians who are not citizens of the United States had ties to the United States. So what we find here. Three years later is now. This administration is justifying going after United States states. Citizens based on heightened tensions with a foreign country and this is this is a pattern. This is not something new that we're seeing in twenty twenty. We've we've seen this over the last three years we've seen increased denaturalization taking away of citizenship. Efforts we've seen DNA sampling at the border we've seen land seizures from US citizens at the southern border for the wall. This is a pattern and practice of the trump administration that needs to stop and it is a very hate to use a cliche but it is a very slippery slope because today it's the Iranian Americans. Tomorrow Morrogh who will it be if there was confusion in this situation at the border the point of passport to this non lawyer was supposed to be that there is no confusion this document identifies you as a US citizen who supposed to have speedy entry zone. I WANNA put this question from Dorset to you because this is a good question by email. Is it true that the Patriot Act now known as the USA Freedom Act would allow a US citizen to be detained or questioned etcetera. You know at this point in terms terms of port of entry. I I would have to go back. I'm not sure At that at this point David you're the lawyer in the room. We just have a second but is that the case that the they can detain Tena. US citizen upon reasonable suspicion of crime. But that's not what was going on in Blaine Washington and they wouldn't be detained To to refuse them admission into the United States that would be detained on probable cause of criminal activity. That's a completely different issue. And that's not what we're talking about today. We're talking about the the the detention of United States citizens simply coming home because they worry Iranians who were not suspected of any crime anywhere in the world that's shocking and it should always be shocking compete. David Leopold his former president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association Practicing Immigration Attorney with Leopold cold and associates. David thanks for your expertise assure. Actually the firm ULMER burn burn. Pardon me while you got your plug there. It is thank you David. We appreciate it. uh-huh on Connor Young's is homeland security correspondent for the New York Times though on. Thanks for being here. Thank you Sarah. You'll hang in with us. 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We've got new episodes almost to help you start the year off right. The episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life Kit. Welcome back to one. I'm todd's Willett. I want to add another another voice to our conversation now on Iranian Americans amidst the confrontation between the United States and Iran. Yoga tour body is Iranian American journalist. Who has is covered Iran for Reuters? She currently works as a reporter for PROPUBLICA covering immigration policy. You're gonNA thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having great to have you. Let's talk a little little bit about the history of US Iran relations. You've been reporting on this for years. We could go all the way back to nineteen fifty three in the. US backed coup. That installed the Shah Let's let's stipulate that I don't know that we wanna go back quite that far where for you is. The is the the start point of modern bad tensions between Iran and the United States. I think it really starts with the nineteen seventy nine revolution the the Islamic Republic That came to power or in that revolution has its one of its central tenets opposition to US foreign policy in the Middle East and globally That was I told the Khomeini's message from the beginning and it's certainly present in Iran's policies today now do you buy the analysis. A lot of people think yes they agree. Certainly nineteen seventy nine thousand nine hundred and the hostage crisis was awful awful the ending of diplomatic relations and the rest of it to say the least but the two thousand to January President George W Bush after nine eleven making the axis of evil speech taking essentially Sunni attack on the United States through Al Qaeda on nine eleven and lumping in Iran with the axis of evil many analysts have said that at that point you might not have seen it but relations were actually warming or at least getting a tepid is aside for instead of ice cold and access of evil really send things back in the other direction. I think that's a little bit of a simplistic implicit analysis As far as I'm concerned I think that there are definitely signs that at that point Iran was considering possibly some tactical cooperation and was undertaking taking some of that tactical cooperation with the United States. But the idea that But for that speech and but for those specific words Iran would have undertaken some major strategic Detente with the United States. I find that a little bit hard to believe and not really supported by the evidence I think again enmity with the United States. It's has been a core parts of the Islamic republic's identity and it's a question of whether it was. That was a wise speech for president From President George W Bush to make some what are you that it was not by by casting them as this this enemy and this sort of playing them up to be perhaps a bigger threat than they were and Painting them into a corner maybe that was an unwise thing to do but necessarily saying that bud for that speech the US in Iran would be friends. Stay would be cooperating in the Middle East. I think that's a bit too simplistic nineteen seventy-nine and the Islamic Revolution. The hostage crisis In Iran in Tehran. Your parents came to this country from Iran. Right around that time How were they treated when they came here? What two how did they feel about the United States in those early years or at that time? Oh I think they were both very grateful to be in the United States and they came my father came alone As a student study my mother came with her family You you know however that was a really tense time and you know my father has an accent. He has dark skin he definitely looks Middle Eastern And you know he's described to me some of the discrimination the nation that he and his friends faced being at that time in Oklahoma and actually both of them are still in Oklahoma It was a difficult time. I think Some of what. We're seeing right now with the reaction to house. EP is treating Iranians and post travel ban. All the things that are happening there. I think people have real legitimate flashbacks to Widespread discrimination against Iranians in the aftermath of the of the revolution and the hostage crisis when they felt out of place and and targeted because they came from a certain country. We mentioned the travel ban Just before the break and it's important because these latest reports of detentions thousands of US citizens or green card holders at the border isn't new. I mean you have to just look at the immediate antecedent which is twenty seventeen right. I mean I certainly certainly got some flashbacks. Not necessarily because the policy itself was exactly the same. I think what we saw when the travel ban happened was far more widespread and people being you know at risk serious risk of being sent back to Iran or sent back to the countries that they had come from or not being allowed to come here in the first place or other family members who were here not being able to visit or cut off. No one knowing what's going on that was really. It was the chaotic Feeling on social media on news just not knowing what the actual policy was that that was sort of the flashback And I think people are sensitive to the idea of being targeted for their national origin. Because that's what we're seeing has already happened. I mean Iranians and the citizens of several other Muslim-majority countries have been targeted basically solely because of their national national origin from entering this country that obviously has an extended to Iranian American citizens or Green Card holders. But there is some certainly this feeling among both Iranians and Iranian Americans that either they or their family members have been targeted simply because of their national except of the reports that we got from the border outside of Seattle with candidate that there may may have been indeed. US citizens passport-holders deceive. EP does not call it detained. Because there's a bureaucratic difference to keeping somebody in a room for ten hours. What I meant with a citizen comment was specifically with the travel? Of course right and I understand that I guess the reason I bring it up in that way is to is to get a sense of the impact on the community. Look whether you call all it detention whether it was seven hours or eight or two for. US citizens with an origin in another country to be treated differently at all. especially at a time. I'm of confrontation. I think it just goes back to a a feeling that many Iranian Americans have just for my own presence in the community and from speaking to my own family. Family that You know there are two countries have so much enmity and so much negative history between each other over the last forty years as an Iranian with American AIRCON citizenship. When you travel to Iran you are at risk there have been many detentions of American citizens in Iran within those people have very little recourse? And they're in a very difficult situation situation and then not exactly compare this to situations but there is a feeling that also now with these actions here with the travel ban you also are being questioned questioned for your Americanise while you're in the United States as well and so you know we. We don't have the same relationship with our motherland or with our home country on where many of us were born or parents were born that you know maybe a Mexican American would have or a Turkish American there's just much more tense And and Troubled environment and feeling sir. Parveen you've been reporting and interviewing Iranian Americans about the killing of Qasim Sulamani general role in in Baghdad what are some of the perspectives. That you've heard from the people you've talked to so running Americans. It was sort of a mix right. A A lot of people were shocked or alarmed and some of them were relieved. You know the the this man that had caused so many problems looms You know in the region was just suddenly gone At the same time some of those celebrations that they might have been having having internally were were tempered by the fact that so many Iranian Americans have family still Iran and the this latest esscalation between the United States in Iran might affect their family there in in some sort of negative way they could Up The risk of violence for them that it could make them targeted in some other way So on the one hand a lot of people were very happy but uh on the other they were still concerned that there would be negative side effects from this action. What about concerns in the immediate sense of escalation confrontation and and the possibility of war? So anyone that I talked to did not want to go to war with Iran Ron. I should I should say that first. Second a lot of people didn't think it would necessarily get there. The people who I spoke with my colleague spoke with believed that the violence that might come as retaliation would stay within the Middle East But just because it stays within the Middle East doesn't mean that it wouldn't be their problem because again their family members their friends live in the Middle East they live in Iran and so oh any kind of backlash in that manner would still affect their families in some sort of way we've been hearing from listeners including ANA who's a first generation Aronie in American who shared her insights. This is ANA from Orlando Florida. I'm a first generation. You Ronnie American and the first Iranian American elected to any public office in Florida Boorda serving as a state lawmaker for House district. Forty seven The situation with Iran is is is been really stressful. I family in Iran and and Of course love the United States and everything that we stand for and seeing these this this esscalation and lead to war It seems like a terrible terrible outcome for both of our countries and I I'm really hopeful that Congress Along with the trump administration were realized with relation. Makes no sense and that we wanna see Democratic Iran when you support the people of Iran above anything. Sarah you you hear. Time and again when we talk about the the enmity between these two countries that it doesn't really extend to the Iranian people and to a large extent. The American people Americans who travel to Tehran around the country say Iranians love US people on the streets they love Oh Americans they love you. It's it's the Islamic government And the the geopolitical positions of these two countries. That's really the problem of. Do you get that that vibe from the people you talk to as well. Do I get the vibe that the Iranians I spoke with have a problem with with American. No do you get the vibe that they're living in a space where the people of these two countries generally have no quarrel with one another but their their governments. Really really we do. Yeah absolutely of course you can find factions within any group that might not fall into that category but on the whole just you know my years of reporting in the Iranian American community being on in America Myself You know the diaspora finds itself now in a very familiar position which which is sort of straddling two worlds where you are on one hand concerned with a dramatic rise intentions in the Middle East And further destabilization within the region and then on the other hand you're concerned about friends and family in Iran and so that sort of being tugged in two different directions. Nations is a very familiar feeling. YOU'RE GONNA. What's your perspective on on this question? Of of the t the two people and this conspicuous lack of enmity. There are millions of Americans who have a bad opinion of Iran. Frankly I'm not sure that that many Americans quite know why if they have a negative feeling toward Iranian Iranian people not the government. That's obvious but what about your perspective on the the tens of hundreds of millions of people who were behind all this escalation I think that ah it's one of the biggest cliches when people go visit Iran they're always sort of They come back a few sieve about the hospitality of Iranians You know there's a there's large Interest in inside Iran in American culture and American pop culture. They've they follow the news. They follow things here I think it's it's it's always the case case that it's just a much more complicated picture when you actually talk to individual people then when you're taking government officials statements I think there is It's just a much more nuanced portrait of these two countries and the people that make each country than we often get just from watching the news and listening to government officials. So you're talking about the travel ban going back to twenty seventeen. We even went back to two thousand into at this part of this discussion with with access of evil regardless of where the tensions had their worst point This is one of the worst points. what are some of the concerns within the community about what they might be looking forward to. Things can certainly get worse I don't know how concerned Iranian Americans are about their position in this country. If things do go worse I think that The travel ban showed that the this administration is willing to take pretty drastic immigration action without really Having a a a big justification for us I think the justifications that have come out of to Sort of a national security basis justify the travel ban have been pretty scattered and Post Hawk rather than really thought through and so I think there is a real concern that if there were to be some sort of military action action that would translate into a reduction of civil liberties and a reduction of privileges and rights for Certainly Iranians Iranians on visas visas. And then I think there is a legitimate concern that that could translate transcend into running Americans as well citizens as well Sarah. Are you hearing that as well in your reporting and the people that you talk walk to the that further escalation of could mean a clampdown or in erasure of civil rights civil liberties for for some people. There's certainly a concern especially after what happened. You know just on Saturday where Iranian Americans. US citizens were being pulled in for some secondary questioning for several hours. You know the there was a sense of surprise it. Something like that happened so quickly After the assassination Russian and therefore sense that you know people don't know what's GONNA come next I. I should say though that from a lot of people that I have spoken with and it doesn't necessarily -sarily always make it into articles unfortunately because we have space issues But you know people are very concerned about Iranians in Iran. And what this could mean for them if there's further escalation if you're on retaliates and the US retaliates and they just keep going back and forth north There is a sense that you know you know. Iranian Americans are the ones who hold the US passports and therefore are afforded a lot more rights And an almost a sense of guilt among some people that they at the end of the day feel even if they're held up a little bit or bothered in some way They still have more agency and more rights than their counterparts. Clooney Ron Confusion and concern among Iranian Americans Iranians hold green cards and visas for this country and their loved ones and their relatives. Sarah Parveen Reporter L. A. Times Sarah. Thank you for joining and for your reporting thank you. You'RE GONNA tour body is a reporter for PROPUBLICA. You're gonNA thank you so much for your reporting. Thank you for being here. Thanks for having. This conversation was produced by Statium Brown and edited by Matthew Simonsen soon to learn more about them and the rest of the team. visit the one eight dot org. You can hear Mary. Louise Kelly's interview with Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on all things considered so be sure to check your local stations for that. This program comes from W. Amu part of American University in Washington it's distributed by NPR until we meet again. I'm todd's will lick thank you so much for listening. This is one.

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"The show we did nine stern on m._s._n._b._c. happy to have you with us this fine wednesday night first things first. We must poof. One of the record breaking things about the democratic presidential field this year is that there are more women running for president in this field than have ever run run for president in any field before it's it's been a landmark thing. It's been kind of an inspiring thing to see six women up on the stage among the the democratic contenders at the first two presidential democratic debates six women running and they are a diverse bunch. They run the gamut in terms of their places on the audio logical number line their political style their experience the platforms they're running on honestly run the gamut in terms of their ultimate chances of winning this thing thing as far as we can predict that at this point i mean from marianne williamson to congresswoman tulsi gabbard two senators kirsten gillibrand and amy klobuchar dr elizabeth warren and kamala harris. I mean this has been a history making six women tableau in terms of women's political power our political aspirations in this country the last presidential nominee of the democratic party who after all did win the popular vote by several million million votes was a woman named hillary clinton the most powerful democrat in washington right now the most powerful woman ever elected in the history of the us government is the current current democratic speaker of the house nancy pelosi and these six democratic women all running for president in the same field similarly that is a a way yeah of melting down the glass ceiling and top tier american politics but contending that lovell also inevitably entails some off ramps and so now tonight for the first time we have a woman candidate dropping out of the democratic race for president of the six women who who made the first two democratic debates. Only three of the six are gonna make it on stage for the next update the third debate those three are senators amy klobuchar kamala harris us and elizabeth warren of the three other female candidates who made the first two debates but they're not gonna meet the criteria to get onto the third debate stage <hes> <hes> well among them. It looks like marianne williamson and congresswoman. Tulsi gabbard are staying in the race. They are keeping their campaigns going forward. Presumably there are hoping to make it onstage agent debate number four with actually might be a little bit easier for candidates to get into the debate number three for a variety of reasons that are too boring to discuss right now but we will get to the mall all in great detail at some point but that still leaves the sixth female contender in this pioneering field democratic new york senator kirsten gillibrand today senator gillibrand announced that she is taking herself out of the running for the presidential nomination of her party she made the announcement with this tweet in this campaign video and and also with a missive from her campaign manager summarizing what they saw as the successes of their campaign to gillaibrand remains a popular u._s. Senator from the state native new york she was just re elected by overwhelming margins to the senate last year among other things that means she's not up for reelection again for her senate seat in new york until twenty twenty four for should she choose to run for re election as senator again which presumably she will senator kirsten gillibrand in other words in her political career will be obsolete they just fine but she is the first female candidate to close her campaign and so we must poof i to go of course was eric swallow. Oh poof john hickenlooper than it was jay inslee washington who go on there you go right after jay inslee it was ready ready ready sophomore and now three to one senator kirsten gillibrand who thank thank you senator unless someone miraculously invents and conducts and then releases the results of brand new qualifying poll basically right now as i speak at the second we now know the final field of candidates qualifying for the debate. That'll be hosted by a._b._c. news next month in texas. Is these ten folks. It's it's interesting. I didn't really think about this in these terms before we got to today's deadline and got this confirmation about who's in and who's not for that debate but the democrats did end up with this round number of ten candidates qualifying for the houston debates and we know that if more than ten candidates had qualified the plan would once again have been to split up the field into two successive nights. It's for debate like we had in detroit like we had in miami now that we know though that only ten candidates qualified that means they are going do the whole thing on one night and apart from the separate and individual consequences for all the individual candidates and their campaigns right right what that means for us the public planning to watch that next debate looking forward to that debate helping us understand the differences between the candidates and who might make the strongest democratic graddick nominee to go up against trump for all of us in the country who are going to watch that third democratic debate the fact that a nice round number of ten democratic candidates has qualified for that night means that once again just like the first two debates. They're going to have ten freaking podiums up there all at once i had been thinking thinking about it in these terms but yeah there's going to be ten candidates on stage at once again all fighting to be heard which means take it for me. No matter how many moderators raiders a._b._c. puts up there to try to handle the ten candidate all at once field. All of those moderators will have twenty years added to their non crawl non chronological age by the the end of the night trust me they will all have new elements and new gray hair. I mean numerically. It's just weird and coincidental that the d._n._c. debate qualifying the criteria made the field go from exactly twenty candidates for the first two debates two exactly ten candidates for the next debate but by happenstance that is how i would has worked out and that means by happenstance once again. It's going to be ten freaking podiums up there. All at once the ten portia standard for the twenty twenty twenty democratic debates which honestly is just logistically a terrible thing. I mean nobody planned it that way but yeah and that is essentially now l. settled that debate is in two weeks. It's two weeks from tomorrow night in houston texas. It'll be just one night all ten podiums all at once so i wanted to get that out there right off the top democratic presidential field saying goodbye to senator kirsten gillibrand but the lead story that i really wanna focus on tonight. Is something very different. It's something the thing that we started covering here on last night. Show and this is something that a other than our coverage here last night in there tonight. This is not something that's really had. A lot of national press coverage other than what we've done here. At least as far as i can tell but i do think this is a really big deal and today it took a big unexpected turn what this is a new and importantly unannounced program from the trump administration. I say unannounced because they never put out. Some statements saying this is what they were going to do. The only way we learned about this new thing the trump administration is doing is because individual families around the country started getting letters from the trump administration letters from the federal government and the letters were so shocking in their implication and so surprising and so out of the blue comport with anything the trump administration had said publicly they were going to do these letters were so shocking and upsetting that some of these families who got these letters as best as we can tell they took these letters to lawyers and advocacy groups to local public officials to try to get help help in understanding what exactly these letters met and whether the u._s. government could really be trying to do what these letters said to their families and particularly to their kids the panic and upset of these individual families who got these letters started to come to the attention of the local press where these families live that is how we became aware of this at all and this has been particularly focused thus far in massachusetts. It's the public radio station w. b. u. r. in boston and the boston globe. I picked up the story over the last couple of days. The globe story as you can see here carries this very stark headline quote. I feel like i'm signing. My son's death warrant children at boston hospitals face deportation. The inset photo there in that photo is a five year old boy named samuel kosta who has a rare condition that inhibits his body his body's ability to absorb nutrients from food and so he's a little five year old kid he has to have a feeding tube that goes directly into his torso can't take by mouth but he gets regular expert very a delicate medical care for this rare dangerous condition that he's got. He gets that care at boston. Children's hospital boston children's hospital by some measures the number one pediatric hospital in this country country. Here's the lead of the globe story quote severely ill immigrants including children with cancer cystic fibrosis and other grave conditions are facing deportation under a change in trump administration policy that immigration advocates are calling cruel and inhumane beginning last week citizens citizenship ship immigration services u._s._c._i._s. started sending out boilerplate letters to these families with sick kids quote telling the families that if they didn't leave the united states in thirty three days they would become undocumented and face deportation so we covered this story last night and the response we got to our reporting was frankly was overwhelming and to be honest pretty enraged up in boston austin the boston. Globe editorial board was clearly outraged by their own news divisions reporting on this story. You can see the globes editorial on the subject bears this headline can the trump administration sink any lower than threatening to deport sick kids. Here's the lead in that editorial step by militias step the trump open. Ministration has turning the immigration system into an apparatus of appalling intentional cruelty. The latest case in point is a relatively small program known as medical deferred action russian in which immigrants without legal status who are suffering from serious medical conditions are granted a reprieve from deportation so they can have access to much needed medical treatment in the united states trump halted the program this month threatening to deport these patients including children with leukemia children with muscular dystrophy children with cystic cystic fibrosis. The program's termination means suspending or interrupting. The children's medical care which in some cases is virtually a the death sentence democratic senator. Ed markey of massachusetts attended a press conference with a number of these families who have just been told to take their kids out of medical treatment treatment and get out of the country senators senator. Marty's take on this last night as we as we highlighted on last night show. Is this quote it is unconscionable. It is just wrong long. We have now reached the most inhumane of all of donald trump's policies. You said quote the trump. Administration is literally deporting kids with cancer. There are few things that are at least at this point unusual or unknown about this story without a lot more reporting on this nationwide. I think it's it's gonna take us a little time to get to the bottom of this but as we are trying to figure out what's going on here. It's particularly interesting that this is a policy change that hasn't been announced which which i think ultimately starts to become important in terms of how well the trump administration is coping with what they're trying to do to these kids and they just started sending letters to parents whose kids are receiving leaving lifesaving medical care that they can't get anywhere else. They just started sending these letters to those kids parents telling them that they need to get out now right now. You've got thirty three days these yes. We know your kid is receiving ongoing lifesaving medical treatment. We don't care stop the treatment and leave now. It's possible hustle as i said the news that we've been getting about. This for the first few days has been out of massachusetts and i don't know why that is. I mean it's conceivable that massachusetts has maybe been targeted here because they've got boston children's hospital right. They've arguably the best children's hospital in the country so boston. Children's hospital is a place where a lot of kids kids who have life threatening illnesses and super advanced delicate medical needs. A lot of kids are getting treated at that hospital so maybe that's why this new trump administration policy surfacing there in this concentrated way. We don't know exactly but these initial reports do come from the boston area massachusetts in massachusetts. There's was an organization called the irish international immigrant center that doesn't just serve irish immigrants serves everybody. They happen to have a whole bunch of clients who have sick kids who have kids who are getting advanced lifesaving medical care clients who have received these letters now ordering them out of the country well. Here's what their legal director told us last night here. They're saying that they have the power to just eliminate it altogether. Which is what they've done and that there is no appeal. I don't know why they came up with thirty three days <hes> <hes> but <hes> yeah they're they're telling these people that they need to leave on their own and i don't know how they expect parents to pull their children from hospital beds disconnect disconnect them from life saving treatment and go somewhere where they know the child's gonna die but that's what they're telling them to do. So that was here on this show last night this emerging news the trump administration has quietly without announcing it implemented a new policy that specifically targets kids with cancer and other terminal life threatening illnesses. There's no telling their parents they must stop medical treatment for their kids and get out immediately within thirty three days with no right to appeal can see why imagine that this is the kind of story that ultimately will get a lot of national news coverage even if it hasn't yet as our coverage here last night most of what we were able to learn about what's been going on in. This story is out of massachusetts out of the boston area specifically but now today the miami herald has the story miami herald has story because they say now they too are seeing some of the same in things happening to families in south florida quote the trump administration is ending a federal program that removed the threat of deportation at least temporarily for immigrant families facing using serious illnesses such as cancer the herald says they have obtained several of these letters that have been sent to families or somebody in the family's receiving lifesaving medical care quote the herald reviewed the case of miami man whose child was diagnosed with metastatic stage four neuroblastoma type of cancer that develops nerve tissue. The man received a rejection letter for his application to the medical deferred action program on august thirteenth. The man tells them herald he is desperate to stay in the country and to remain with his daughter now as i said we are just seeing these initial news reports that these cases of this news stories emerging locally the families are telling advocates. They're telling the local press their in some cases telling public officials that they have received letters from the trump administration <unk> essentially demanding the depths of their children right demanding that their children stop receiving medical treatment that saving their lives stop trying to get out of this country. We we are seeing these cases emerged so far in massachusetts over the last couple of days now in florida today we have every reason to believe that this is happening all over the country as we have been trying to further the report this story today what emerged over the course of this afternoon was no further clarity on why the trump administration has decided to prioritize you know kids is with cancer and tumors in terms of going after next to my surprise. We also got no further clarity today on where else in the country this may be happening still these reports that we've got our from massachusetts and florida and we're not seeing news reports from other places at least that we could find today. We are looking for that local coverage because i think that's going to be how we figure out what the scope is of what the trump administration is trying to do what did emerge today though is that as this new trump administration policy targeting sick kids kids has started to receive just the first little bit of scrutiny. It's essentially already blowing up what the trump administration is trying to do. Honestly there has been a lot of national pressure on the store yet. I think we are the first national outlet to be covering this at all but as the trump administration has just tried to answer basic questions about what they are doing doing here about why they're sending these letters what this means and why they brought about this change in policy that's going to have such dire specific humanitarian consequences and potentially essentially fatal consequences for kids in this country as local radio stations and the first newspapers start to call the administration to figure out what is going on here just to get comment meant for their stories. The trump administration is already completely flailing on this. They have no idea what to say about it and apparently they didn't really understand what it was. They were launching thing when they started this program attacking these kids and when people finally started to ask them to answer for it and i will show you what i mean after w._b. You are the the public radio station in boston posted their groundbreaking terrifying initial story about these kids in boston. Being targeted kids being treated at the children's hospital in boston. Kids with rare genetic disorders cystic fibrosis kids with seizure disorders after w. b. u. R. published their first story. They apparently hours after publication received a whoa. Whoa whoa whoa whoa kind of comment from the u._s. Customs and immigration service that had sent out these letters to these families these death sentence letters to these families with sick kids customs and immigration told me you are after they published their first story but they wanted it to be known that this medical deferred action program that had been allowing all these kids to stay alive despite what you might have seen in these letters. That program isn't ending per se. It's just being shifted to a different part of the trump. Administration asian quote medical deferred action pests are now submitted to ice different agency for consideration. Oh okay that's their first explanation when they get their first hard questions. Yes yes family in the boston area. You've been told you have to get out of the country and stop providing lifesaving treatment to your ill child but what we didn't mention is that some other part of the trump administration might be able to help you out so you can keep staying. Go did not mention that to you. That was their first explanation right. You know it turns out the other agency that is supposedly picking up this program the other agency inside the trump administration that supposedly is going going to process these requests for dying children to stay here in order to receive medical care. That's keeping them alive now. Find out. That agency actually is not doing this. They have no intention of handling these kinds of requests for kids in this kind of circumstance. They have no program like this and they say today. They have no idea why some other agency in the trump administration has been telling reporters now that they do great. Here's how this today in the miami herald you can see it play out quote three officials with ice who asked not to be named due to fears of speaking outside official channels. Tell the miami herald today that the agency was blindsided by the move quote high level sources said that management at the agency had no idea u._s. Customs and immigration was transferring over deferred action responsibilities noting that ranking officials were scrambling ambling to respond to the unexpected move. That's how it played at the herald. Here's how played at w._b._z. You are and their follow up story today. Quote an ice official told w._b. You are or that. The agency was not informed by us customs and immigration that that agency would stop processing the deferral requests quote. There is no program at ice. That's going to take over that function isis not going to implement any sort of a program or procedure or policy to take over that function we'd like u._s. Customs and immigration to clarify what they mean. That's how it played at w._b._z. Are here's how it played today at n._b._c. News quote an ice official speaking on the condition of anonymity said ice was blindsided by the u._s. customs and immigration decision to refer all immigrants applying for deferred action to them. Ice currently has no plans in place to review. These applications. Quote ice does is not have a program for this nor do we plan to at commonwealth magazine in massachusetts which has done some great reporting already over the past couple of days on this there reporter got this quote ice and u._s. Customs and immigration service officials allegedly had a meeting for the first time about this policy. See this morning meaning this morning wednesday morning. Ice is one hundred percent punting this back to customs and immigration. Take just take a step back from this for a second. We're going to talk to a lawyer who is right in the middle of this fight is trying to represent some of these families and keep some of these kids alive. We're gonna talk about that in just a second but just take a step back from this for a second imagine being in charge of the federal government of the richest and most powerful nation on earth and deciding that what that government ought to work on is figuring out where all the really good pediatric hospitals in this country and then trying to figure out if there might be kids in those hospitals who are currently receiving ongoing treatment that is saving their lives so you can somehow figure out a way to force a stop to that treatment and kick those kids and their families out of this country so that they can no longer get the care. That's keeping them alive. Kids with cystic fibrosis kids cancer. It's with rare diseases imagine being in charge of the u._s. Federal government and choosing to use it for that purpose to target the power of the the u._s. government at children with cancer then imagine that once you've decided to do this you what hope nobody would care are nobody would notice because heck. It's just immigrants and you're not planning on announcing it and so therefore your figure you're never going to have to answer for it so you come up with no plan for how to explain this. When people local officials local reporters local news outlets outlets local advocacy organizations people inevitably come to you asking questions about what the heck you're doing in the name of the american people and so having come up with no way to explain this your makeshift responses to say oh actually no big deal. Some other agency will take care of it yeah. We're not doing this anymore but we're sure somebody else's got. It sounds terrible when you say that we're going gonna be sending kids with cancer to their deaths. We're sure somebody else's taking care of it right some other agency you guys. They're doing it and the trump. Administration has no idea what it is doing or how to handle the inevitable reaction to this from the american people all they have no idea what they are doing here except for the fact that they have decided to tell parents that they must withhold lifesaving ongoing medical treatment from their seriously. Ill kids on orders from from the u._s. Government so that they could get out of this country because president trump wants them out imagine being u._s. Official who's been doing that kind of work doc and now imagine being the parent of a sick kid who's holding onto one of these letters sent to you by those officials and realizing that this is now what you are up up against and that this is the exact way your child's life is being put at stake in the very short term over the next thirty days <music> by by this president by this president by this administration and the people who work for them and their priorities imagine here's some local coverage from massachusetts from mass live dot com on how the families of kids receiving lifesaving saving medical treatment have been told over the last few days that they would have to pick up and returned to their home countries and stopped this crucial medical treatment for their kids quote. Quote attorneys and doctors started hearing from clients late last week that they received the notices in the mail. There was no announcement other than the letters giving patients thirty three days to leave the country. Many of those letters arrived in patients mailboxes halfway through that grace period one attorney representing some of those families telling mass live quote our government government should focus its limited resources on truly dangerous people not on the most vulnerable joining us now. Is that attorney just quoted. Ramos masa can bobby. She's the head of the new england oakland chapter of the american immigration lawyers association this can bobby is representing some families who may be forced out of the country <hes> do this unannounced change in policy from the trump administration restauration miskin bobby. Thank you very much for giving us some of your time. I appreciate being appreciate you being here. Yeah thank you rachel. It's a pleasure to be here. Let me ask you. I if i've if i've explain lean this right i've been trying to piece this together from local news coverage and a couple of different locations now have i basically got this right in terms of what your clients are up against right now absolutely absolutely yes. You described it perfectly today. This story got a little bit strange when u._s. Citizenship and immigration started saying that some other other agency in the trump administration is going to keep running the medical deferral program and then that other agency. I said oh no. We're not we don't know what you're talking about. Do you have any clarity on this. Have your clients been able to figure out what that might be about. The trump administration seems to not know what it's talking about on this anymore. Yeah no sadly there's really been no explanation nation of what we can expect as attorneys or what our clients can expect in terms of what they should be doing. There's been no guidance. It's been totally silent. <hes> <hes> from the government and frankly like you said i think they really didn't care to even put a plan in place to try to help these really desperate invulnerable people or to even explain to the public what they're doing. I mean the part of it. That is rising to me is that there's been no announcement. There's been no no plan to explain this. I mean obviously this is such an inflammatory thing. There are going to be hard. Questions asked people are going to want an explanation and justification for what they're doing and it. It's just a gaping ping mall over there from administration. I'm sorry i don't mean to put that on you but let me let me just ask you in terms of your your clients what you're learning about this. What can you advise. Your clients wants to do it. This time yeah i mean sadly i think we're really just trying to figure out the best way to move forward for our clients and whether or not applying to ice is <hes> is a valid option or not i mean ice obviously is really not known and being a friendly <hes> humanitarian type of agency see that would be willing to take these really sensitive cases seriously <hes> and so i think it's it's really frightening for a lot of people and that's part of what the administration has has been trying to do over these last two years is too so a lot of fear and panic among immigrants and hope that they'll just kind of quietly go away and and not apply and not make a fuss about this because they're scared and really i mean not only worried about their safety here but about their child's life are you in fact facing cases in terms of your own clients in which this is a potentially life threatening situation for <hes> for children on these families for other family members here where they're getting treatment here that they can't get other places that if they are forced out of the country that their lives will be endangered. Yeah i actually have have a couple of clients that just got denial notices over this past week. I have one young man really nice. Young man who sadly okay has some mental health issues. He came here on a visitor visa to <hes> get some treatment and sadly his condition deteriorated significantly and and he's actually been hospitalized now but he's getting the best care that he can get for his condition. <hes> and the government has now told them no sorry. You need to leave in thirty three days. I mean there's no way this young man is going to be able to leave a hospital. He's he's committed there because of the seriousness of his condition and my other client is this young girl fourteen eighteen years old who has a very serious heart condition she had heart surgery and she's recovering now but he's going to need follow up surgery and constant the monitoring and care and again. She came on a visitor visa. She came here illegally applied for this and sadly has now been told no sorry you need to leave in thirty three days. She's literally between heart operations. She's had one. She is recovering. She has another one ahead of her and they're trying to force out of the country. That's right and i honestly i rachel. I'm not shocked. This administration has tried to dismantle legal immigration over the last two years on on a number of different fronts. When you look at it the travel ban i mean that's a perfect example of again of the inhumanity of this administration and not caring that are that there are people people that need urgent lifesaving care to come here for that or to come here to see a family member that may be dying to other avenues avenue's like the h. One b. program being targeted or international students being targeted <hes> and the morale at the state department for example is terrible because of the conditions that these political appointees have created in these agencies and also bobby chair of the new england chapter of the american immigration lawyers association news representing <hes> some of these families who are up against this unannounced change in policy from the trump administration misconduct. Thank you for helping us with this as i said there's not often a lot of national coverage on this yet applause. Please do stay in touch. We'd love to for you to keep us apprised as this continues to develop thank you. I'd love to much more to get to tonight. Stay it was it was election night in mississippi last night a runoff election to pick the republican nominee to run in this year's governor's race the current mississippi lieutenant governor tate reeves won the election last night. He'd beat a former state supreme court justice named bill waller. This wasn't a a high profile race at least not on the national level not until this okay now how did is not letting voted. I'm from this video was posted to facebook yesterday appearing to show someone trying to vote in that mississippi run off a four bill waller one of the two republicans in the run-up but the machine will not let him cast that vote every time it pushes the screen vote for waller. It takes the box for the other guy. Now we do not know exactly what caused that one machine in that one video two seemingly malfunction but what is interesting about this video out of mississippi yesterday is that we we know for sure. This was not a one off problem. Local elections officials in mississippi told the clarion ledger newspaper today that vote-switching glitch happened on at least these three different machines spread across two different counties one official telling the clarion ledger quote. We're doing what we can to rectify the situation. How would louis rectify that. I mean particularly when the elections just been called me when the state's admitting this is happening in multiple locations. How do they make voters. Feel confident the next time they touch their finger to voting machine what we don't know exactly but in mississippi's not quite neighboring state state of georgia in georgia they're still trying to figure out what happened and their last statewide election in two thousand eighteen last year november two thousand eighteen while the country was electing a new house of representatives resentatives and a whole bunch of new senators in the great state of georgia last november. They were electing a new governor. This was this big marquee national attention race you remember the democrat stacey abrams ultimately refused to concede to republican brian kemp brian kemp both ran the election for the state of georgia and he ran in it himself <unk> as the republican candidate for governor stacey abrams didn't concede a lot of democrats still don't concede that she lost that race because of widespread reports about voter suppression and anomalies in the election that disproportionately affected minority democratic voters that overall controversy about that georgia race has been well documented what generated way fewer headlines though was a truly weird phenomenon that happened one notch down the ballot in georgia and and as people are starting to think ahead about the election integrity of twenty twenty <hes>. We just got new details today on what happened one not stay on the ballot in georgia last november which is an absolutely bonkers story and if you have not heard it yet you will want to. We've got it here next the same night election-night last year. When georgia had its big marquee governor's race and stacey abrams narrowly lost brian camp and then refused to concede and there's all that attention on what was going in georgia that same night enjoy that was lower-profile race that has never been a matter of national focus the way that stacey abrams governor's race was but it has turned into a mystery ever since that is getting weirder and more difficult with each passing month lieutenant governor's race that night in georgia last november remember in the lieutenant governor's race last election night. The republican candidate won that race too but when people started sifting through the results from the lieutenant governor's race the numbers did paint an odd picture. This is a sample ballot from georgia last year typically in statewide elections. There is a drop off in the number of votes that are cast s. People make their way down the ticket so if you're just using this ballot as a guide state wide races what i mean is that more people the most people tend to vote in the governor's race six more people voted in the governor's race then vote in the lieutenant governor's race more people tend to vote for the lieutenant governor's race then vote in the secretary of state's race where people tend to vote for the secretary of state than vote for the state attorney general and this trend usually happens all the way down the ballot and statewide elections. It's like the opposite of a trickle down effect or maybe it's a trickle down effect. It's kind of decay in turnout as you make your way down the ticket more people vote for top of the ticket stuff then vote down the bottom people sort of run out of steam and stop filling out. The bubble says they go down on their ballot. That's almost always how it goes. That is not what happened in georgia last year of all the state wide races on the ticket last year. Fewer people voted for lieutenant china governor second on the ballot then any other race and by a lot going on there around eighty thousand fewer people voted in the lieutenant governor's governor's race than in other races even further down the ballot like votes for labor commissioner. More people voted for labor commissioner than voted for lieutenant governor. The state's number two elected official. That's weird that drop off in the lieutenant governor's race vote has been a mystery since november two thousand eighteen and it has led local reporters to try to figure out why and how that happened in georgia well today. We got this from the atlanta journal constitution. The paper took a look at one crucial social precinct in georgia a precinct that had seven voting machines in that precinct. The democrat won every single race on every single machine except for one machine quote to find out a clue. Excuse me to find a clue about what might have gone wrong with georgia's election last fall. Look no further than voting machine number. The three at the winter ville train depot outside athens georgia on machine number. Three republicans won every race but on each of the other six machines in that precinct zinc democrats want every race the odds of an anomaly that large or less than one in a million but there might be a simple explanation for it. If you took that one outlier machine machine number three and you switch to the vote tallies you awarded all its democratic votes to republican republican votes democrats that anomaly would disappear sapir and those results on machine number three with statistically fall right in line with the other six machines in that precinct so one machine had literally exactly opposite results than you would expect in terms of party line voting. It's like the results just got reversed in terms of the parties on that one machine. It would be like if you took all the votes from that. One machine held him up to a mirror before you counted them. This scoop from the atlanta journal constitution was born out of documents that were unearthed by public public records requests. The paper says those same documents have been given to the oversight committee in the house of representatives which is investigating what happened in georgia's election last year. More than fifteen eighteen thousand pages of records have been turned over to that committee but if what's in this fifteen thousand pages or evidence like from that one precinct with the one phantom voters machine which seems to have taken every vote backwards. What's the oversight committee gonna do about that evidence. What should they do about it. Joining us now is kristin clark president and executive director rector of the lawyers committee for civil rights under law miss clark. Thank you very much for being with us tonight. Thanks for having me so there is always a low level of sort of low level rumble rumble of worry in this country about whether our elections are running right. There's also a well-founded concern that people might be discouraged from turning out to vote at all if they don't have confidence that it will no matter that their vote will be properly cast and and properly counted given that sort of that balance that concern on both sides what is your take on these problems that we saw yesterday and mississippi and that we saw last year in georgia that these are red flags of democracy that is broken and and screaming out for repair. These are not conspiracy theories that we're talking about. Rachel eliezer real issues that voters have been facing with intensifying defying degree over the last several years and georgia is kind of the in the belly of the beast if you will when it comes to all things that are broken in our democracy see we we see widespread voter suppression but we actually just sued the state of georgia in federal court over these very issues the fact that across across the state of georgia they are using outdated vulnerable machines that are hackel bowl and in the course of our trial. We talked about the drop off that you just highlighted rachel. A federal contractor actually looked at that dropped off and there's a one in ten thousand chance that you'd see see a drop off for the lieutenant governor race that spikes back up when you go down to those races at the lower end of the ballot in our case there was evidence presented by the state's own expert whenever you put this evidence before any reasonable person they come up with the same conclusion georgia's own expert dr shame ohs agreed that georgia's equipment is outdated and antiquated and hackel that they fail l. to conduct audits and they actually use a version of microsoft for their software that hasn't been updated in ten years microsoft soft actually no longer <hes> updates or creates security patches for this this software and so from georgia zone expert. This is broken system. The judge in our case issued a ruling about two weeks ago. <hes> declaring georgia's system null and void loyd georgia has to go back to the drawing board and put a new system in place at all deliberate speed. This is the first time a federal court has actually struck struck down an entire states voting system <hes> because they are violating the fundamental right to vote but it's time for states like mississippi be in south carolina and texas and florida that are using these paperless antiquated systems. That can't be audited. It's time for them to to modernize systems and we've got to do it before twenty twenty. Is it feasible logistically to get the systems. Even let's just focus on georgia for a second. Is it logistically feasible to have that whole system not only installed but tested and audited running up to snuff in time for an election russian. That's coming around the bend november twenty twenty. They don't have any choice. I mean they've cried about the expense involved and the time involved but at the end of the day we're talking about the most sacred right in our democracy the right to vote and at every turn in georgia for two decades. We've seen a system that is broken and we've seen problems problems that are intensifying so you know it's time that they stepped up there are they are supposed to put a new system in place in twenty twenty but what that means is that for voters right now who are going to the polls in georgia for municipal elections they have every reason to have grave concerns about the integrity already <hes> of their ballot so this is a moment that requires vigilance. We know that these problems are nationwide. We know that we are up against threats both domestic domestic and foreign when it comes to <hes> the hacking of our systems in our country so our plan now is to take this victory in in georgia in federal court and to hold other states accountable. They're failing to update and modernize their systems and give voters the confidence that they deserve when they go to the polls cast a ballot christian clark president executive director of the lawyers committee for civil rights under law this clock. I really appreciate you being here with us tonight. Thanks thanks and come back soon. Thanks for having me. We'll be right back. Stay with us so we've been following hurricane doria and all over the course of over the course of today and into tonight as you can see from these images the u._s. Virgin islands saint john saint thomas newest virgin islands took the brunt front already <hes> during the virgin islands is a category one hurricane and as of right now thousands of people in the us virgin islands are without power because the strength of this storm and what it was able to take out just two years after the disaster of hurricane maria puerto rico that killed nearly three thousand americans there was real concerned about what this the storm might do if it hit puerto rico full on puerto rico has taken a more glancing blow avoided a direct hit. The storm is now on its way toward florida. It's it's on track to make landfall along the eastern coast of florida sometime over this weekend the thing to keep an eye on is how quickly dorian powers up as it closes in on the florida coast meteorologists say this has been a hard one to forecast but dorian could become a major hurricane could become a category three storm by the time it's bearing down on florida in anticipation of that a state of emergency has been declared across the state but as you as much as you'd imagine in florida tonight they are bracing for what looks like it could be a super serious hurricane this holiday weekend stay with us. That is going to do it for me tonight. I do have one correction to make <hes> earlier in the show for a reason that i don't understand those buried somewhere in my aging brain <hes> i kept referring to u._s. Customs and immigration services <hes> when the correct name for that agency now is u._s. Citizenship and immigration services. 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Pod save America?

Marketplace with Kai Ryssdal

26:13 min | 6 months ago

Pod save America?

"Gold closed day at a nine year. Now we're not doing a safe haven story think. Federal Reserve. From American public media. This is marketplace. In. Los Angeles. I'm Kai Ryssdal Tuesday today. The twenty first of July good has always have a long everybody. We begin today with a personnel story president trump's proposed staffing of the Federal Reserve Board of Governors the Senate Banking Committee Voted Day on two of the president's nominees economist Chris Waller. He's Kern executive, vice, president and head of research at the Saint Louis. Fed was approved easily. The other nominee economist Judy Shelton was approved with a much thinner margin thirteen to twelve straight party line. Both of course have to go to the full Senate for approval, but Chilton's controversial here for a couple of reasons. She has said the Federal Reserve ought to be much more closely aligned with the White House, an interesting point of view on a famously independent agency and she has said she wants to put this economy back on the gold standard, which we got rid of almost fifty years ago, marketplace's Mitchell Hartman reminds why the gold standard is such a central banking hot potato this morning I pulled out a five dollar bill to pay for my coffee, and just below the Federal Reserve seal, it says this note is legal tender for all debts, public and private would. It doesn't say. Say is this piece of paper can be redeemed for five dollars worth of US government gold once upon a time. It could be though I asked University of Oklahoma economist Gary Hoover to give me the thirty second monetary history. Initially, we actually printed gold coins, but carrying around all those heavy coins was cumbersome, so the government decided okay. Let's print out paper money, but they'll be redeemable for certain amounts of gold that lasted until World War One when the government needed to borrow and print a lot of money to fund the war. Then there was a great depression another. Another World War and the US gradually went off the gold standard altogether, and now we simply have paper dollars, which good faith of the United States government now every economist I talked to today, dismissed out of hand, the idea of the US going back to the gold standard but Scott Sumner at Mason. Universities Mercatus Center says he does understand the appeal of the idea to cut the Fed out of its current role of controlling the money supply in the economy, keeping the value of money strong, and in some sense, removing the role of government from the monetary system those. Those are things that attract people to the gold standard, but he says in the face of a great recession or pandemic downturn. The Fed needs its current monetary tools. The central bank the Fed can inject board dollars into the economy under a gold standard. Were dollars have to be back for gold as much less ability to do that and without the ability to control how much the dollar is worth. The US can't make its exports cheaper and more competitive, which is especially useful during a downturn I'm Mitchell Hartman for marketplace the by word of this pandemic so far. There are probably a lot of bywords. Actually pick your own, but the one I'm thinking of right now is adaptation. We are all adapting in one way or another to our changed circumstances. And for working parents though. Include Juggling Childcare. Schooling because what's going to happen, there is kind of up in the air as you now. Along with their full time jobs, they're juggling all that stuff, so the parental adaptation pandemic pods. Marketplace's Meghan McCarthy Corinna has that one taking care of twin nine year. Old Girls has become almost a full time job for DC photographer d'alene rows. He could use a break, but he's not sending the kids back to school in the fall. It doesn't matter how much you learn is not alive, right? He started seeing similar concerns from other parents on facebook and. And, just thinking, how can we make this team work? But maybe not having to be responsible for all the learning for five days a week, so he's looking into a pod. The idea being that trusted households can safely gather along with a teacher paid higher and share the cost. I'm mathematics specialists that can provide one and a half hour sessions to your. Former math teacher Geoffrey hollen posted that classified ad on his Brooklyn neighborhood for him yesterday. His base rate for pod teaching is two hundred fifty dollars a session and he's already getting interest, so is Mike Tang who runs swing education company that matches substitute teachers to schools in California and several other states, and now hires them for private learning pods, and it ends up being priced in a range. That's close to what private daycare private childcare might look like which of course raises concerns about equity the? The pandemic has already widened disparities in our education system says Matthew Craft. A professor of economics and education at Brown I don't fall. Parent's for trying to be creative, but why can't we provide that type of opportunity for all students? He says federal investments could help match newly graduated college students Surp- educators who have lost work to provide pod style tutoring for all families. I Megan McCarthy Carino for marketplace little up a little down inequities today we will have the details when we do the numbers. There's the political and epidemiological side of the trump administration's recent change in how data is getting tracked moving it from the Centers for Disease Control to the Department of Health and Human Services. It is not without controversy, but there's also the practical side as the data. Tracking site went live yesterday. Marketplace's Eric. Embarrass reports that hospitals already in the middle of a pandemic. New System to learn now. Less than half of the nation's hospitals reported to the old system about three quarters will report the new system and they'll have to enter the data manually. Katherine Baker held economist at the University of Chicago says the goal here is commendable. Having harmonized information is really crucial both to individual decision making, but also to getting resources in the right place at the right time, the problem is ideally you wouldn't be starting to do it in a pandemic, not only during the pandemic, but with only days of notice according to Dave Dillon up Missouri. Missouri, Hospital Association. We have not had the ramp up period to encourage hospitals to engage in this, but hospitals will have to engage if they want resources. The federal government controls such as the scarce supply of Antiviral Drugs Dylan, says the changeover has been more of a sanction than an inducement and hospitals already stretched thin by the pandemic, says Georgia's Benjamin. President of the American Public Health Association, the confusion over what to report and to whom and how may actually impair federal efforts in many ways that may very well delay the response. That they're having and I think that's that's the biggest rhys that. It really undermines their ability to move as quickly as they would lie. Benjamin says understaffed and underfunded. Hospitals may not have the resources to devote to typing information into this platform, and those are the hospitals that could most use help from the federal government. America barriers for marketplace. Negotiations over what a new federal government economic support plan started dig shaped day. The Secretary of the Treasury and others from the White House were up on Capitol Hill making the rounds. At issue keeping some kind of extended unemployment benefits the six hundred dollars a week. We've been telling you about that goes away next week. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell wants liability protections for companies from corona virus lawsuits, and the president of the United States, says he wants a payroll tax cuts. That particular line item isn't getting a whole lot of attraction right now, but Washington's a funny town that way things just happen sometimes so today a payroll tax primer so payroll tax is a tax on earnings, and the more that you earn the more that you pay. That's Chris Cox Senior Tax Policy Analyst at the Center on Budget and policy priorities you and your employer, generally speaking each pay those taxes on every paycheck, hence payroll taxes six point two percent to help fund security our the one point four five percent for Medicare. You cut those taxes. People get more money to spend right. It's been done before president. Obama cut payroll taxes two percent back in two thousand eleven, but today in this economic climate when millions of people have. Have lost their jobs. The payroll tax cut delivers zero benefits to the jobless. Remember we told you yesterday. Thirty two and a half million Americans are getting unemployment benefits of one kind or another from the government, so some other suggestions from Chris Cox expansion extension of unemployment, insurance and state fiscal relief to states and localities. Otherwise we'll have to make large budget cuts and could result in many people losing additional jobs, which is also by the way that fiscal relief for states. A big bone of contention in this next package as well. On? The list of positive developments in the world day there is this marketplace has a new podcast launched today for kids and their families answering those tricky to answer questions that kids have about money. The show is called million Brazilian. Here is a little teaser from episode one. If you had all the money in the world. What would you do if I had all the money in the world I our find my private jets. Voter to my favorite Taco place called tackle Stan. I'll give it some foundations that of the world I looking dogs from the shelter homes. Then I would say to charity. May I add all the money in the world. Out of make own hundred feet, tall robot, I would I a full of stadiums I would plan multiple force then I would by hang glider. By some fever points and Save barraged for later I would be rich. That was banning in Irvine California Louise in Connecticut Chamara and here in Austin Texas, seven and AS Roma here in Los Angeles for new podcast million Brazilian. The first episode is out right now all about by the way who invented money downloadable pretty much wherever you live. gumming up if you really want to make a change in the world, you can do it with things that you're putting on the table food straight ahead, but first let's do the numbers. Dow Up one hundred fifty nine points today, six tenths percent, twenty, six, thousand, eight, forty, the Nasdaq down eighty-six points, eight tenths percent, ten, thousand, six eighty. Five hundred found five points in the couch cushions about a tenth percent, thirty, two and fifty seven. There are lots of quarterly earnings. Reports docked bats a here. We Go Coca Cola reported. A thirty three percent. year-over-year sales declined, but Gabriel's your guidance for the future, thus shares bubbled up. Coke Two point three percent I B I. Love My job. IBM reported better than expected profit and revenue results for the shares down two tenths of one percent United Airlines reported second quarter profits today. Revenue Down Ninety nine zero percent shares, though the session two and a quarter percent up after hours as well. You're listening to marketplace. This is marketplace. I'm Kai resolve were to ask you to name the biggest most important companies in this economy. Even Amazon Right Apple for sure facebook may be probably not though General Electric but once upon a time, and not that long ago, either GE was the most valuable company in America, making and or selling everything from home appliances to television shows to oil now. Not so much. The company's fall is the subject of new book called Lights Out Pride, delusion and the fall of general. Electric Tom Greta and Ted man from the Wall Street. Journal wrote it Tom Greta Welcome to the program. Thank you tell me the story? Would you the anecdote with which you start this book? John Flannery then about to be new. CEO of one of the Great American. Industrial conglomerates goes to one of the big subsidiaries GE power I think it was up in Schenectady. And starts going through the books. Tell me that story. Yeah I. Mean This was a where we're John, flannery had been named to the coveted position of becoming the next CEO of GE and he was examining the operations, and what he found was not what he expected. A The power business was. A mess there were some accounting shenanigans going on. Jeeze, biggest deal ever was buying this French Power Company and the integration has been. Quite a mess and all this is going on as the power market is taking turn, so they're bet essentially was failing. You end with a with a quote from Mister Flannery that I cannot repeat here on this family aren't the Public Radio Program But suffice it to say he was shocked and the question is. To step back to the thirty thousand foot view. How did G fall so far so fast? I think part of it is that GE never thought it could. It could fail. It was unbreakable. Costs got out of control. They took their eyes off of operations. the idea they would do these deals that didn't work out and nobody worried about it too much because Ge is so big that they could absorb missteps, but There are limits and they exceeded them. Maybe it would be helpful for people who don't follow this closely, certainly as closely as you, and and you know as as passing as I do. How was GE thought of in this economy back in Taytay? It was I. Mean for investors essential part of the portfolio they were. Or two in almost every industry they were in. For for folks in the factory floor, it was like a lottery ticket. You know great pension great benefits, and this goes back decades it really was this iconic model of American corporate culture, and just speaking a guy who radio program on which the General Electric theme song used to be embedded in our theme, music and longtime listeners will remember that, and maybe we should get out and put her on the Web it was a consumer products do right. It made appliances and all that good stuff. Oh, for sure for sure appliances, light bulbs. Some of these products still have the GE logo on it because they've licensed them. We have a general electric air conditioner in our house. It's made by a Chinese company now. And I think that that still holds true for a lot of people. It's a very recognizable brand I. think people feel that this sort of inherently American company? Okay but the reality now of General Electric as a corporate structure is completely different. What is GE? Look like today? Today, they are basically power aviation, which makes jet engines, they essentially dominate the jet engine, market, and healthcare which. X Ray machines scanners MRI's is in all these all those industries they have innovated for decades. They have gotten out of pretty much everything consumer. They recently sold the last piece of their light bulb business. So it's a very much a changed company in recent years. Do you think a general electric could start up again today? To be honest if you could look at Amazon or Google, and you could argue that these companies are conglomerates. What is key to conglomerate these days is about its management, and so if you have the right leadership. It's possible that you could make that work. Could you make it work for for decades and could some of these companies that are structured like conglomerates? Could they survive a hundred and twenty one hundred and thirty years like General Electric has time will tell you. Tom Greta with Ted man. both of the wall. Street Journal have a new book out about Gender Electric it's called lights out pride, delusion and the fall of General Electric. Thanks a lot. Appreciate time. Thanks, guys. Thanks for having me on. We've got an excerpt from Town Dad's book about that filled acquisition of the French. Company sound, mentioned and wine. Nobody stopped it. What say marketplace dot org also there and you're gonNA want to check this out that old marketplace theme music I mentioned with the Audio logo in it there. It's Kinda wild. US citizenship and immigration services, which is of course, the government's main office for Citizenship and immigration services says it's going to have to furlough two thirds of its staff unless Congress. One point two billion dollars its way by the first week of August why I hear you asking. because. By user fees, and as applications for legal immigration have dropped because fewer people want to come here, the agency is running out of money, and that means as marketplace's and Euler reports that for people trying to get work, visas or green cards, and already long and arduous process is gonNA longer and more arduous Sarraj. Voss came to the United States in two thousand to get a masters degree in Computer Science North Carolina. He's been working under an H.. One B. Visa since two thousand five, and he got tentative approval for permanent residence for years later. He's been waiting for his green card ever since after dying, we just stopped looking Suraj in his wife. Galina have two daughters born in America. Is a dentist and together they own their own practice in York Pennsylvania where they employ seven people. He's still works in it and has to renew his visa every couple of years. That is like a sword hanging hanging on your neck all the time because. Unless you, get your green card in your hand. You never know what happens is your age. When gets denied next FAT MONON? Shah data specialists in Austin. Texas is also waiting for his green card, but he's got a more pressing concern right now. He needs to visit his father in India who has cancer Shah's waiting for immigration officials to give him documentation that will allow him to get back into America if If they're already backlogged. And if the remote people my buddy is, it might even pause for the delay in a Lotta ways. Shah's experience is typical to be an evergreen in this country is to ship one anxiety to the Knicks Allen or is president of the American. Immigration Lawyers Association. He says the US CIS budget is so dire because it is discouraged new applicants double the amount of money it spends on. On fraud prevention and tripled what it spends on vetting shortfall right now with the budget is for mismanagement of the government by imposing new regulations. Warm needed USCIS declined comment. The agency also made it more expensive to apply for a visa raising fees earlier this year to make up for fewer applications, Richard Burke CEO of on boy global affirm that helps companies navigate the visa process says companies are willing to pay. Pay those higher fees, but just want certainty. Employers are worried that a reduction in us. CIS staff could mean they don't get the workers that they need those that we serve you. This is an entirely self inflicted wound, and the consequence is just another challenge is these companies try to rebound from Covid antsy to hire the best brightest without intervention from Congress. The shortfall threatens to put more than thirteen thousand. Employees on furlough beginning August third. I made be Euler marketplace. The United. States is the biggest cultural trading partner Mexico has, and as here a lot of small local farmers in Mexico wind up competing with big conglomerates and with pandemic. They're having to adapt to changes in farm production as well from K. Jay Z's Mexico, city bureau Rodrigo surveys reports. This think of on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico out Aliev Alabama recorded some of a sounds from the jungle where she grows organic produce and medicinal herbs. She uses them in lotions that. She sales for her business called monthly. The environmental. She says she's been forced by the pandemic to reinvent her business. Normally ships are products throughout Mexico. Because someone ordered anything since April, she had to shut down her first store close to where she lives, which opened fifteen days before the pan-demic dollars scale. Online, so during dispose volume. She's been taking online seminars about gardening to improve her skills knows evokes i. Said Gore saw and the intrepid enroll, so he's using this time to share her knowledge to create a free e book on how to farm vegetables at home and plans to teach people about gardening using social media. She hopes to find customers that way, but at the moment she's living on her savings. In Mexico City Enrica. Cervantes is also reinventing his business red frame to make a bridge between the people from the field with the people from the set of aunt. This organized Bonita, Yankees and Organic Produce Street market has been around for nine years. The last bizarre held in January attracted more than fifteen thousand people in four days, but the pandemic changed everything. We have canceled six events. When the market business closed, he opened a new store. It's not replacing the street market business, but at least it's helping him survive. If you really want to make a change in the world is, you don't have to wait, so the government makes its you'll have to wait coordinates. You can do it with things that you're putting on the table. Some farmers are flourishing independent. Make like blunt as he. Florida's is such miracle. It's a community of dozens of family owned businesses that grow decorative plants at the outskirts of Mexico City. Still dickey Sudan is a member of your organization. He shows me a cargo of pot. Flowers told plants perfume shrubs. These are all being delivered to customers in quarantine. Many people have found about instagram which the gross are using to sell plants. Says Zanthosyn. Interest Dude on the sales are up sixty seventy percents since ZIP endemic was also. Though. He says the government recently requested that blunt AC- floors such Emeco close. Some of its facilities weakens to decrease the chance of spreading covert. Nineteen could seriously affect the business as many plants need daily care. Around the GONNA. Says they'll keep improving their business model to build loyalty among customers. He says growth is important, not only for sales, but also for benefiting families dead depend on it in Mexico City. That Eagles this for marketplace. This. Final note on the way out today it has been fifty nine years in a row that Congress has passed and president of each party have signed a key piece of legislation known as the national. Defense Authorization Act the Pentagon's spending package, basically the house's version this year, coming in at seven hundred and forty billion dollars, including three percent pay raise for the military and a billion dollars for the corona virus, also language in the Senate version, requiring the Department of Defense to rename military bases, currently memorializing confederate heroes. The White House said today. If that provision is in the bills sent to the president, he will veto it one notes here for the record. The trump administration frequently makes threats. It doesn't follow through on. Here is your moment of economic context for this Tuesday air. We leave you the European edition today. The EU agreed on a corona virus rescue package early this morning Europe time almost two trillion dollars an all. Here's what's interesting. Though number one, it was a unanimous vote of all twenty-seven. E You members remember there used to be twenty eight, but brexit also number two. You can make a case that after Brexit, and all the warnings about the end of the EU. This actually brings that block closer together. We'll see. Our digital on demand team includes carry Barbara Samantha. Fields Ben Heck Coats Menendez. Allies, mills and Janet Win Attorney of is is our executive director of on demand and I am Kai. Ryssdal we will see everybody. This is APM.

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Day one of the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump

PRI's The World

46:01 min | 1 year ago

Day one of the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump

"The following was recorded at four. PM Eastern time the impeachment trial the president trump has begun. The eyes of the founding fathers are upon US history will be our final judge will senators rise to the occasion. We've got the latest also. A Chinese executive with tech giant Weiwei faces trial in Canada. There's a big risk. Canada could upset Beijing. If if you do something that doesn't like China will take hostages on behalf of that company to. It's finding new ways to circumvent the law. Also ever wonder what you'd find at the other end and if you drilled a hole straight through the earth it's quite nice to just know that there is someone at the exact opposite point of the world that has done exactly the same thing as it's you. I'm Marco Werman stick around to hear what they did today here on the world. I'm Marco Werman. This is the world here you hear you hear Ye. All persons are commanded to keep silent on pain of imprisonment while the Senate of the United States is sitting for the trial of the articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives Against Donald John Trump president of the United States. Eight the voice of the sergeant at arms of the United States. Senate Michael Stagger a little after one o'clock eastern time this afternoon. President trump faces charges of abusing power and obstructing in Congress. Here's democratic representative. Adam Schiff. Who is leading the team of House? Managers conducting the case against the president. The misconduct set out in those articles is the most serious various ever charged against the president. Opposing shift is PAT SIP Baloney leading. Trump's defense we believe that once you hear those initial presentations. The only conclusion will be that the president has done absolutely nothing wrong. The world's Chris Wolf has been following events says they unfold today Chris. What have we seen so far? Well they began as we heard with a fairly Solomon grave tone with everyone acknowledging the seriousness of the occasion but nevertheless those clips starting indicate they're bitter divisions between the parties of quickly resurfaced resurfaced. So now this is only the third impeachment trial of a president in the history of the United States. So for that reason the first order of business has been to decide the rules. And we've already seen some surprises which I can Give details in a moment but just to bring you up to speed on. What's taking in place right? Now is that we're seeing arguments from the two legal teams over those rules and amendments being put forward by the Democrats and just to clarify those legal teams are on the one hand. The House manages for the prosecution. If you will and president trump's attorneys in the White House legal stuff on the other hand So we're not. It actually hearing from senators today correct to the senators in this. Trial are effectively jurors. They will have a chance to speak but only later in the trial so but the Senate leaders did have a chance to make some final comments on the Senate floor just before taking their seats as the jurors in this case. His Senate majority leader leader. Mitch McConnell the Senate still serve our founding purpose. Can we still put fairness even headedness an historical precedent ahead of the partisan passions of the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer in some ways agreed agreed the eyes of the nation. The eyes of history. The eyes of the founding fathers are upon us. History will the our final judge will senators rise to the occasion. So as you can see the Schumer they're indicating that he's concerned about Republicans voting along partisan lines in fact He even went on so far as to call McConnell's rules for the trial Cover up yes. So let's get back to that the fight over how to conduct the trial the rules. How come there are no set rules for impeachment of a president? Well as the founding fathers didn't give us a rule book they're sent normal Senate rules do not apply and the only president we have is in modern history is the Clinton proceedings So the proceedings up today with Mitch. McConnell introducing an organizing resolution and what's being debated now as I said the amendments being put forward to that organization organizing rule by the Democrats. Have you been able to determine Chris. What's different about these roles? Say compared to the Clinton impeachment rules. Yeah that several key rules one is over really the pace and content of the. It's all about the pace and content of the trial in a proposal really released by McConnell night The two sides we're going to be able to give opening opening arguments over for twenty four hours that was going to be crammed into two days so we can have twelve hours of test of legal talk per day. That's now been spread over three days so that was a surprise concession At also there were slight changes in the rules of evidence so everything was admitted in the Clinton trial while McConnell said we have to have a house Senate vote to admit evidence. He's now made some concessions on that we're GONNA see more evidence And also the final difference to the Clinton impeachment was This one includes a motion to dismiss at any time. So what exactly is the process for the rest of the trial. What are we going to be seeing over the next few days and weeks? Well it depends exactly what's agreed at the end of these debate over the rules but what it's looking like is we're GONNA get those opening arguments as I said twenty four hours spread over three days From from the two sides in each then senators will be allowed sixty hours of time for their questions. That's one we'll hear from the senators probably middle of next week. Then after that there'll be vote Maybe as early as next week possibly the week after on evidence and witnesses. So how do you think this is GonNa end. Is there any chance right now that donald trump gets removed from from office. Well that's always a theoretical possibility politically. It's unlikely given the composition of the Senate but you can't rule it out The if the witnesses and evidence in the form of documentation is admitted especially new witnesses and new evidence. Anything could happen. It could be a game game changer. Within the Senate and in the Court of Public Opinion Meantime President Trump is at the world economic forum in Davos more on that when we head to Davos later in the show. The world's Chris Wolf thank. Thank you very much. You're welcome Marco. An Iranian student hoping to continue his studies. Here in Boston was deported against Federal Judges Orders Shabaab the Ghani anti-hussein was flying back to Boston from Iran when he landed in Boston on Sunday customs and border patrol cousins border protection. Detained him last night. Dozens of the demonstrators went to the airport in protest according to one of Immigration Attorneys Carrie Doyle speaking to our local partner. WGN To Ghana body was deported. Anyway really outraged at customs and Border Protection. Who appeared to deported Mr Hussein Cena body in contravention to judge roses order? We feel this is a pattern of customs and Border Protection Ignoring court orders. I and ignoring the law. We feel the Iranian community has been unfortunately targeted it appears because we're hearing many reports especially at the Boston in Port of entry. Mesa Bobby is the chair of the New England. Chapter of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. It is incredibly concerning for a number of reasons. UH-HUH I a lot of these students go through extensive screening and vetting by number of different agencies as part of their visa application at the embassy or consulate. So it's pretty clear that they've been vetted and have been determined to have a credible need to come to the united. I states to enter for example in this case studies and that they've been determined not to be a danger at present any threat to the United States so to have customs and Border Protection Action turnaround like this and subject someone. To An extreme version of removal from the United States known as extreme expedited removal is pretty concerning and I think correct answers would be quite helpful for not only the community of international students in particular Iranian students but for individuals like myself and other attorneys that are concerned learned about upholding the law. What grounds could customs and Border Protection actually detain and deport him what we've been seeing these expedited? Removal is that the government is charging urging them with one of two grounds arguing that they're intending immigrants. meaning that they're coming to stay in the United States single and live here and not really followed the purpose of going to school which is highly doubtful and second that some of them have committed fraud and those are the only two provisions that students can be subject to expedited removal so it it appears that the CBP grasping at straws in wanting to try to impose these very extreme measures on removing students from the airport directly not allowing them in to be able to continue their studies in many cases and as far as shot hub to Gonese expedited removal. What have you heard from? CB P or homeland security. I don't think we've heard anything officially from them. They have been showing their generic statements saying that we can provide any information on this case. I'm GONNA similar to the same response that we got for a client of mine who underwent a similar situation. This is not the first time we're seeing Iranian detained at US ports of entry. Recently there were reports that dozens of Iranian Americans were detained at the Canadian. US border so what's going on. Yeah that's a great question and I love to know the answer to that and would Expect that the government would want to be transparent and explain what it's doing instead. They've been hiding behind. I think random instances like this that we're all trying to tie the pieces together but what we have seen is that over the last one year especially Iranians Iranian Americans have been subject to all kinds of extra scrutiny on a wide net basis. Right this is not any targeted investigation or targeted background search. It seems that it's just assists wide net. Hey let's let's talk to any Iranian any Iranian American and gather information store it. What do you think needs to happen now? In dig on his case. And what advice do you have for other Iranian traveling to the US with what they believe are valid documents. Yeah I mean I think a lot for a lot of students. It's important for them to be able to talk to an attorney attorney to get advice to be aware of their rights and perhaps avoid Logan and for Diani specifically I mean does he have any options chance to try and appeal this and return to studies. Yeah I mean I think that there might be some options. It's going to be important to get some full details. Sadly this is really just a rapid response right now because this happened so suddenly no one was aware of the fact that he was coming in and might be subject to being detained in subject to expedited the removal. So it's kind of catching up now. Getting all the details getting all the facts and looking at the options Mexican. Bobby is the chair of the New England. Chapter the American Immigration Lawyers Association. She's been speaking with us about the deportation of Schaja Addict Ghani an Iranian student at Northeastern University here in Boston who had valid residency residency documents. Massa thank you very much and my pleasure. Thank you for asking me to be on the show. A spokesperson from Northeastern University says they are in touch with federal officials. About two Ghani's case we reached out to customs and Border Protection and the Department of Homeland Security. We did not hear back by airtime to WHO people two pieces of bread. One random question if two people were to accidentally drop a slice of bread at exact opposite points of the globe would form home the into a sandwich an earth sandwich. Yeah just what it sounds like a guy in New Zealand and a willing stranger in Spain have created an earth sandwich by by placing slices of bread on precise points marking opposite nodes on the planet nineteen year old. A ten not from Auckland said he has been wanting to do this for years and finally did it. He used longitude and latitude points to plot. What was on the opposite side of the globe from him? That would be Spain than not posted on Reddit and found his Spanish manage counterpart on health. Sierra they agreed on a date and time plus some other key details. We had to try to organize the same kind of bread which is surprisingly zingy difficult. You'd expect trump well to have the exact same kind. Apparently not we also try to get both of them facing north. The time came to position their bread slices one in New Zealand and Spain and Voila. The Earth Sandwich was complete. There is one thing. That's still nagging me. You know. Why why do it in the first place notice? Says he's on vacation and simply didn't have anything better to do. It's also quite nice to just know that there is someone correct opposite point of the world that has done exactly the same thing as you in this one particular instance. We've got entirely different lives but we are now connected connected by this one point now before you think that it yen noda had some totally random thought this is not the first attempt at making an earth sandwich. A few people left tried the one of the best ones walls with begets. But there was a big controversy Into a sandwich world about the orientation of the begets facing the right way Yeah baguettes a notoriously tough medium to work in photos of notice and Sierras Earth Sandwich look remarkably like pieces of bread ed sitting on the ground still. It's on our instagram. We are at PRI. The World I'm Marco Werman. This is the world a psychologist named James. Mitchell walked into a military court room in Guantanamo Bay Cuba today on the other side of the room Hala Shaykh Muhammad or or K.. Assem the self-declared mastermind behind the nine eleven plot. It is a bizarre reunion for the two men they'd first met in a secret oversee. CIA prison in two two thousand three where Mitchell was part of a team that tortured K.. SM including waterboarding him more than one hundred eighty times. Now Mitchell is having to testify about Out His work Julia Hall is a Human Rights. Attorney with Amnesty International was in the courtroom and get today. A Julia described the scene in the courtroom. Well Mr Mitchell was and what we would call in an ordinary criminal court hostile witness and he actually said right to j Connell the defense lawyer he said. I came down hair for the families and for the victims. You people have been saying malicious things about me for years. So listeners may recall the James Mitchell the psychologist who's testifying at Gitmo today along with his partner. Dr Bruce Jessen they devise the CIA is now outlawed torture. Program and netted eighty million dollars for their work and in some cases administered torture themselves at black sites overseas. Was Mitchell asked specifically about torture today not yet but he will be what he was asked. Today was about his book called enhanced interrogation which really from a human rights lawyer point of view is an admission that they developed the program the program included waterboarding and confinement and small boxes and walling which is a form of feeding and those are all torture techniques. Dr Mitchell chill has never testified in open court before. This is the first time that is happening down here. Quantum oh there was a civil suit in the United States where two of the persons who were subject to enhanced interrogation techniques and man by the name of go Hoffman. Who actually died in Guantanamo Bay brought a suit against the the psychologists now that case which was again a civil suit that was settled? Obviously the terms of the settlement our secret but what was has released was the notion that mister man who died in Guantanamo Bay while they were sorry that he died they had nothing to do with his stuff. This is what they said Ed and that they were sorry than anyone might have been hurt but it was never their intention right so that process never really resulted in accountability for the two psychologists and so they're being down here is the first time that we're actually getting them in an adversarial proceeding preceding so in two thousand seventeen Mitchell and his partner. Justin gave depositions in response to that lawsuit against them the ACLU which brought the lawsuit posted portions of the deposition online. And I'd like to see here next up where I Mitchell and then just argue that. Their superiors pressured them to continue the torture program. Even when they had doubts Bruce and I had said we're not gonNA continue doing this and what they said was well. We'll you guys have lost your spine. They kept telling me every day. A nuclear the bomb exploded in the United States and that because I told him to stop I lost my nerve and it was gonna be my fault if I didn't continue. I think the word that was actually used as as you guys. He's going to be another attack. America and the blood of dead civilians are going to be on your hands. If you won't follow through with this we're going to send somebody out there. Who Will Julia said today was largely procedural but Did the court here of whether Mitchell or or Jackson had any misgivings about the use of what is euphemistically. Come to be called enhanced interrogation not at all at one point. Dr Mitchell said that he was very happy the role he played in the in the program. So knee heard no contrition today. Not Clear whether we'll hear any in the coming days but certainly today was a very adversarial approach approach to the defense counsel so just to clarify Julia. What you're attending? This week is not the nine eleven trial that's later for next year right. These are the hearings that kind of set the scene and make sure that all of the discovery and all of the testimonies taken an advance of the trial. Now that trial is supposed to start in January twenty twenty want want but just being down here for the last few days. It is abundantly clear to me into many others that that timeline is really tight and there may be a need to extend extend beyond two thousand twenty one. So that's eight years today that we still don't have a trial and even having set the date for twenty twenty one. It really doesn't. It doesn't look very promising that it's going to start then. Attorney Julia Hall with Amnesty. International was in the courtroom today in Guantanamo Bay Cuba watching the pretrial testimony taking replace in preparation for the nine eleven trial. Julia thank you very much time. Thanks very much marco. Africa Britain wants Your Business. The UK is the ultimate one stop shop for the ambitious growing international economy. That was the message. British Prime Minister Mr Bars Johnson delivered to sixteen heads of state at the UK Africa Investment Summit. Yesterday the leaders met in London to discuss future trade relationships after Brexit Brexit is official the BBC's Anne Soy reports from Kisumu Kenya on the shift in focus away from aid and toward private sector investment. I've come come to a brewery in Kisumu in front of me. I can see FECTA liter kids off into a conveyor belt being branded ready for shipment into the market this the East African breweries owned by one of the world's biggest prince manufacturers here it becomes clear the British government is trying trying something different then giving dear jo any money but they do increasingly see companies like them as a vehicle for change as lock Shama Chama explained to me ultimately want to help people in countries to become economically self sustaining. The reality is that countries around the world put about one hundred. I'm forty billion dollars a year into aid but the UN estimates that to meet the global goes by twenty thirty. We'll need an extra two point five trillion dollars every year Governments aren't going to provide that. Ultimately that bridge has to be fried by the private sector adding lighter of that. You know that changing focus. What's the future of aid? What we we will continue to Support Countries We have a strong commitment to development dot will continue but ultimately I said this is about helping countries to become self sustaining and and that is why the work that we are doing with countries in Africa is so important and in light of Brexit. How do you see that shaping the UK's engagement to Africa going forward? It opens up an opportunity for us to turbo charge our relationship with countries around the world including in Africa. I'm really excited about this. And the whole point point to the UK Africa investment is to provide a real boost that relationship that is already strong but as we go forward beyond Brexit will allow was to have these trade agreements and to work more closely together creating jobs in Africa but also in the UK go seven point five. The British government is trying out new strategy on African development the traditional aid we continue but is now more emphasis on infrastructure and trade. It seems part ideology part Mississippi not forced by Britain's global rivals and post brexit realities the BBC's Anne Soy reporting there air from Kisumu Kenya. You're with the world. President trump is on trial in the Senate today by the President himself is in Switzerland. Perhaps a deliberate choice to stay far away from DC. He thinks impeachment is some sort of semi show that if he continues with business as usual that will cut through to the electric. The president hits the Davos World Economic mkx forum. That's coming up on the world. I'm Marco Werman this is the world we're a CO production of the BBC World Service W. G. B. H. Boston Npr X.. As president trump impeachment trial begins in the Senate. Today trump himself is in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum each year business leaders politicians titians activists and celebrities. Gather to quote improve the State of the world three thousand participants from more than one hundred twenty countries and Macelroy is senior on your editor of the Economist. She's in Davos and joins us from the World Economic Forum there last year and president trump's skipped the world economic forum due to the US government shutdown. This year. You're his impeachment. Trial is underway. Here's what president. Trump told the media today in Davos when they asked why he wasn't in Washington. Lula he'll media were the world laid is it's the biggest Most important people in the world and we're bringing back tremendous business the United States and they're all here to see I'll be making a speech and then we'll be leaving shortly eh But I think it's very important the others just a hoax at C.. which has been going on for years? And it's frankly it's disgraceful but And macelroy why was was seemingly a priority for trump. This year this week well I think Donald Trump has a funny relationship with devils on the face of it represents the very every international liberal elites that he most scorns the other thing is he likes. Event is someone who likes to be on the front foot in terms of international stage age. It's glitzy everyone else's here. It's a party right. So trump is present in Davos absent in Washington. What message do you think that sense of the world and to the Senate? Could it possibly impact the trial. I think the message that it sending is that he thinks that he keeps saying that impeachment is just something that's being cooked up against him by his enemies for years and continues with business as usual the that will through to the electorate. I think he's thinking how does does this look to people who catch me on the television. Do I look confident. Do I look my best. So you could argue that rather perversely. Devos's ended up as a positive to backdrop as sort of marketing opportunity for president. WHO's under more pressure at home? There's also this twitter quarrel that could play out in real life Gretchen Berg and Donald trump intrude. Greta fashion. She actually tracked to Davos no public transit there were speculations about a face off of sorts. Did we see anything like that. Play out today. Oh Oh yes. Greta van Burg versus Donald. Trump was definitely a theme of the day. I'm show and head out this evening. Swiss time it'll be the talk of all the Suarez. Well trump did not directly aggress Greta van Bergen a speech today but he did try to get out of that misery fest by focusing on America's economy today. I'm proud to clear that the United States is in the midst of an economic boom. The likes of which the world has never seen before we've regained leaned. Our stride rediscovered our spirit in reawakened powerful machinery of American Enterprise. America's thriving being America's flourishing. Yes America is winning again like never before so and the theme of this year's meeting is stakeholders colder for a cohesive and sustainable world considering this devos theme. Is it surprising that President Trump gave a thirty minute speech and did not mention climate change. I think from Donald. Oh trump's perspective. Climate change is a subject where he doesn't feel particularly engaged or interested in it what he wants to talk about. which is the kind of boom mentality? I thought the tone was very interesting. I think he was trying to sound like the grownup in the room. He Sang. Follow me on this. Let the doomsters get on with climate change over there in the other room and not to say that. He didn't address the environment at all. He spoke about a one trillion trees initiative initiative that the. US has now joining and soon after his speech was then Greta tune Burg's turn to speak and she seemed to respond directly to this one trillion trees announcement clunking. She's is good of course but it's nowhere near enough of what is needed and it cannot replace real mitigation and re wilding wilding nature. And how did the room react to Timberg speech. It's quite interesting that she often says one thing that you feel. Everyone's nodding along with and then she says something else and you can see browse. How's four rowing rewarding? Really do we have to have that. Is What is the mitigation. But if you say did she get the respect of the room and was packed to the rafters as it would be for for. Angela Merkel. Absolutely this is a very great thickest event it is the World Economic Forum it's not the World Economic Forum road I mean there is an inherent tension there. AH IN DAVOS I mean. It's not a typical conference. World leaders and celebrities are ferried in by private jets. But the people who go they say the goal is to improve the state of the world and yet they're they're behaving unsustainably. So what is the point of all of this. I think the question you're driving me towards is does Davos man or woman person indeed to do more harm than good or the other way round and I think that they all having their consciences pricked even though they're doing so high altitude intensive at the life around this week at a pretty high level and mckelvy senior editor the Economist speaking with us from Davos. She Jose weekly podcast called. The economists asks WCHS am thanks very much. Thanks for having me for years. The international community has been playing hot potato with so called climate refugees. For starters the concept concept does not exist in international law but a United Nations ruling. This month could change things. Essentially this is a landmark decision and it does constitute a very air real amount of progress within this very narrow legal space that has always had challenges. Kelly Ober manages the climate displacement program at Refugees International. We reach out and Kito Ecuador where she's attending the Global Forum on Migration and development she says the case the UN ruled on concerns a man from a Pacific island nation who's has been seeking refuge in New Zealand. So there is a man from Cuba's that sought refuge in New Zealand. Actually in two thousand thirteen and it was one of the first of its kind where I'm an application for asylum was filed due to reasons of climate change and so basically his argument was this that he was from Kiribati and living in Carrabba's his whole life and he's only recently begun to notice that sea level rises continuing to be a problem so his argument is that it's very hard hard to live on Carrabba's it exists and climate change is making it harder so this panel is a human rights panel. What exactly did they rule? Oh so basically. New Zealand ruled initially that his application for asylum should be denied. Bear reasoning was pretty concrete. It was is that although he had a legitimate case in worry about climate change that impacts to the degree with which he was arguing would not be seen for another ten to fifteen years and the government of Curabaz is doing all it can to mitigate those impacts the UN Human Rights Committee which released this ruling agreed lead in upheld museums decision but they added some texts that left room for maneuver for those who are seeking other types of protection text mechanisms for those who may be potentially displaced by climate change. So with this kind of nebulous definition of what a refugee is right now given giving climate change. What is the implication for countries that might experience people coming to their cities seeking refugee status? Well you know at the moment. There's no clear answer. I think what this decision does is allow the very real realm of possibilities to open up for a legal pathways ways in which lawyers would be able to argue that those who live in places that are adversely affected to climate change to such a degree. That they can't move back should be able to stay. I mean my mind goes to a powerful moment at A. UN Climate Conference a few years ago. The poet from the Marshall Islands. Kathy jet no kitchener read this poem onto a daughter. No one's drowning baby. No one's moving. No one's losing their homeland. No one's becoming a climate change refugee not or. Should I say no one else to the Carter at islanders of Papa New Guinea and to the Tarot Islanders of Fiji. I take this moment to apologize to you. We are drawing the line here because we are going to fight. I mean. Her work captures is pulled between communities threatened by climate disasters in the fight to preserve a culture and a place to preserve home. Kelly do you think it is a numbers game right now like we keep seeing growing catastrophic events due to the climate change pressure at some point isn't going to be very clear that a category is needed for these people. You know I think we are at a very real crossroads at the moment in which which climate change impacts are ramping up but I think that what is happening on the international stage and probably which will trickle down to the national is trying to parse out what kind of climate change impacts were willing to consider as real reasons for why someone won't be able to come back home and I think part of the problem is disentangling to what degree climate change is responsible and to what degree economic opportunities is. I think we're seeing some movement in recognizing that there's certain certain impacts slow onset impact such as sea level rise which are incontrovertible as being caused by climate change and perhaps there is a very real way four to addressing these sorts of climate change impacts rather than others that are less clear Labor's with Refugees International. She's been speaking with us from Global Forum on Migration and development in Kito Ecuador. Thanks very much Kaley. Thank you the. US China trade. War has reached a truce. Thanks to the deal signed last week. But that agreement left a lot of issues between the two superpowers unresolved both trade related and otherwise take a look at China Related Social Media And you'll see that right away. There's an online slang term that's become more common womb. Oh it's an insult meaning. Someone is a Schill for Beijing but what is. The world's Patrick Wind discovered the insult is full of misconceptions. Let's start with the original definition of womb. Here's Roy Jong a China analyst. At the Wilson Center it described people that were essentially paid to post things that were favorable to the C. c. p. the CCP. That's the Chinese Communist Party. Now a woman is someone who says Nice stuff about China's government online for a tiny bit of cash. The term itself is usually translated as fifty cents and this pay per post thing started happening in a big way in China about fifteen years ago. The Chinese Internet was more wild and open then and the government wanted to flood it with harmonious content so womb would post on message boards positive stuff not like picking fights on social media instead there coasting more like positive energy proactive political posts. They WANNA spread positive of energy and tell good stories about China now. Fast forward to today is also used by English speakers to insult anyone who they see as pro Beijing like this guy yelling on social media that the manager of the Houston Rockets. NBA team is terrible. Because that manager Daryl Morey supports protesters in Hong Kong phone. Padres beat who yet so hold you want around Super Patriots. Every country has them. But if they're in China they get called womb out. But let's be clear there was this guy paid to yell all that stuff probably not even though the term implies that they're paid David Bender. Ski is a CO Director of the China Media Project. A research group in Hong Kong. He was the first to write in English about the phenomenon. This has become a kind of generalized slur. It essentially means that you're not here as an honest participant. You are here as a she'll for the government or the party because China China has paid citizens to churn out amateur propaganda that makes it easier to cast doubt on any Chinese national who sincerely holds pro government limit beliefs which can make the alleged even matter as Roy Jong puts it. The term can be used to sort of rile people up in in addition to actually described that exist. Oh and she says if you're ethnically Chinese no matter where you live. People will more readily call you a woman they get put in the line of fire because you know some of it is racism. Some of it is the fact that they're not as critical call of China in certain respects but Internet discourse is very tricky and when it comes to China getting trickier all the time take twitter for example it's blocked in China but there are Chinese nationals who get around those blocks just to jump on twitter and defend the country's honor honor against what they see as China haters. There inevitably called Luma when they do this but they're better described by another term zoo gun. Woo It's hard hard to translate actually but it's like eating one's own grain eating one's own grain meaning they don't need help from the government to post their crusade is self supported awarded. I met a guy like this on. Twitter goes by Alan and he told me quote. The reason I called is voice out for my country. There are so many the anti-china propagandist spreading fake news to smear China. He said adding that this quote social media empire is controlled by the West. I wanted to get him on the phone to talk about this but he said honestly I don't trust you. I ran all this by David. Bender ski the researcher telling him I I don't see why I should assume the guy isn't sincere in his patriotism. Yes don't assume that these people don't have real conviction about these ideas but also remember China's information space is an extremely it controlled information space. So how do you know if you've spotted an actual womb out in the wild well. There's there's a Harvard study from two years ago that says China's government still fabricates more than four hundred and forty million social media posts every year presenting them. I'm as the thoughts of ordinary citizens. But they're usually just made up by bureaucrats who have to post this stuff as part of their job for no extra pay not even fifty cents. It's it's mostly cute or patriotic. Click bait sort of content. which can be used to distract people from serious issues once again analysts right John? They're starting to use that cliche to say. Oh you know there's nothing happening in Xinjiang or Tabet look at these cool pictures so even though the word woman Bouma gets used more and more. It's often used wrong. People think the combative hardline posters are backed by the Communist Party. But they usually aren't and those who really are working for the state they aren't even getting paid fifty cents per post well at least not anymore for the world. I'm Patrick win. A courtroom in British Columbia is facing a thorny question whether to turn a Chinese executive over to the US extradition. It's been more than a year. Since while way `executive among Joe was arrested in Canada on a US warrant the company's chief financial operator is wanted by the US because while way allegedly violated sanctions sanctions against Iran. Canada has faced considerable pressure to release Mungo. Meantime China has detained to Canadian citizens on espionage charges that move is being called hostage. Diplomacy as the BBC's jitender sit who reports. There's a lot more at stake in Vancouver courtroom than just the fate of one woman on trial. Oh I'm peering into the class windows of Vancouver's law courts complex that housed in a monumental modernist building of giant concentric centric concrete squares with vast sloping glass roof on one side. On which at the moment there's quite a lot of snow sliding down in this complex flex a judge sitting in the BC. Supreme Court will decide on whether or not mung one joke should be extradited to the US previously on sanctioned a routine flight from Hong Kong to Vancouver leads to the arrest of a global telecommunications Titan Mung Joe is accused of violating US sanctions against Iran. That's a documentary series from the BBC Canada's public broadcaster. I've come to CBS's Vancouver offices to speak to the reporter. Who probably knows more about this story than anyone else? Jason proctor. Monjo is accused of lying to banks and intern. The banks made decisions which put them allegedly at risk of violating those same US economic sanctions. The argument against extradition would be that the crime. She's alleged to have committed in the. US would not be considered a crime in Canada because we don't have those same economic sanctions and there's also an argument that's being made that harass were violated from the moment. She landed in Canada when the Canadian Border Service agents detained her for about three hours before she who's actually arrested that they violated her rights by kind of conspiring with the FBI is also an argument that she's being used as a political pawn by us. President Donald Donald Trump in order to get a better trade deal with China. While we spokesman Benjamin House is scathing about the treatment of Mung One. Joe The approach the Trump government has taken with the extradition order is a blatant abuse of process. You don't tell someone you're being stopped for a regular customs check when that's not true. You don't see vices and search them to try to find something juicy and you don't treat another country like they did with Canada. We don't blame Canada for the misdeeds then abuses of the trump administration and what about the two Canadians. Michael SPA Foreign Michal. Kovac arrested exactly a week after one. Juror that connection in between the two Canadians and Miss Mung has nothing to do with hallway. We do not play a role in that. It's not for us to get involved. Ottawa sees it very very differently. However the arrest of the Canadians was retaliation and in what some saw as a sign of desperation? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asked Donald Trump to stall a potential U. S. China trade deal only Zika for the Speaking in French he said the the US should not sign a final agreement with China. That does not settle the question of Joe and the two Canadians. But while way remains A big stumbling block. Canada is caught up in a global argument over the company's five G. Network equipment. It's claimed that China could gained back door access to critical infrastructure for UK several members of the EU and Canada. Say they can manage the risk on the other hand the US Japan and some other countries have banned while we technology. China doesn't need alway to spy on Western countries China's quite good on spying on western countries without the help of w-way. My name is Stephanie Carbon. And I'm an Assistant Professor at the Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University. You and I'm a former national security analyst with the government of Canada. This does seem to be about. How Western democracies are dealing with state champions companies from authoritarian regimes that may have more nefarious purposes in mind in the long run? It will say it's following the law and your country but if you do something it doesn't like China will take hostages on behalf of that company to. It's finding new ways to circumvent the law so the risk here is much greater than just the technical risk. There's a much greater larger national security issue. Here the hearings are expected to take up to five days with the judgment. Not expected expected for several weeks if the judge rejects the extradition request or if mongering Joe wins the separate challenge. She will be able to come back home whatever happens. This is just the end of the beginning the BBC's Jitender said who in Vancouver British Columbia. Let's return to the top story the day. The impeachment trial of President Trump Republican Senate majority leader Mitch. McConnell kicked off the proceedings. He said our founders trusted the Senate to rise above short-term passions. They trusted the Senate soberly. Consider what has actually been proven and which outcome best serves the nation at a pretty high Bar Mr President and you might say that later today is body. We'll take our entrance exam. America's third presidential impeachment. The trial began with a partisan clash over the rules for the trial. Today we will consider and pass and organizing resolution that will structure the first phase of the trial. This initial step will offer an early signal to our country. McConnell said he will table or kill motions to subpoena specific witnesses or documents McConnell also said his rules are a fair roadmap and follow the Senate Impeachment Trial Royal President Bill Clinton Democrats harshly argued Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said. Today's trial has substantial differences from the Clinton trial two decades ago. Oh now leader. McConnell is just said he wants to go by the Clinton rules then why did he changed them. In four important ways at minimum to all make the trial less is transparent less clear and with less evidence. The four ways include making the trial shorter and not allowing further evidence and witnesses a later stage of the trial following the democratic uproar McConnell revise some of the rules to allow previous evidence collected during the house proceedings Democratic Congressman Adam Schiff who oversaw the impeachment process in. The House also made his case on the Senate floor today he said the president abused his power and obstructed justice when the founders wrote the impeachment in clause they had precisely this type of misconduct in mind conduct that abuses the power of his office for personal benefit that undermines minds our national security that invites foreign interference in our democratic process of an election. It is the Trifecta of constitutional misconduct conduct justifying impeachment. President trump weighed in on today's proceedings. He tweeted from Switzerland in all caps. Read the transcripts. The Senate trial rolls goes on but that is all the time we have today from the Nanan Bill Harris Studio at WBZ in Boston. I'm Marco Werman back with you tomorrow. The world is a CO production of W. G. B. H. Boston the B._B._C.. World Service and Pierre Ex.

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"The show we at nine eastern on m._s._n._b._c. we're gonna be joined by phone in just a moment live by the prime minister of off the bahamas country that has been in right now continues to be just absolutely pummeled by hurricane dorian the bahamas of course our nation of about about four hundred thousand people about seven hundred islands in the bahamas the devastation there from hurricane dorian is is not evenly spread to say the least the focus for rescue recovery now is on the places in the bahamas that have been hardest hits hardest hit and it's all just almost impossible to visually take again what you're looking at here but this is what it looks like as of now in the avocado islands which is part of the northern bahamas. This is less than two hundred miles else off the florida coast hurricane dorian hit avocado on sunday as a category five hurricane with winds that reached more than one hundred and eighty eighty five miles per hour. This is the most powerful storm to ever have been known to have hit. The bahamas prime. Minister hubert menace announced just in this past our that the known death toll in his country has risen to seven before tonight. It had been five now seven. It is feared that that toll will further rise is for the reasons you can see on your screen right now. This widespread devastation in the bahamas as aerial photography is finally able to get in there and as people are finally able to get in there to see the results of what has happened with that storm. I mean beyond the hurricanes shear strength the death and destruction. I an avocado and on the neighboring island of grand bahama are in part the result of how static dorian has been how slowly it has been moving the storm basically basically stalled over grand bahama for forty one straight hours to get a sense of what that means the washington post described as the equivalent of a strong tornado and a flash flash flood happening at the same time but roaring on and on and on for more than a day and a half tornadoes don't usually last a day and a half for visual visual perspective. I know that some of these images are sort of hard to place in part. This looks sort of like a boat out on the ocean out out in the open ocean like maybe you're looking from a vessel here. This is actually a view taken at the international airport. This is the airport in freeport in the bahamas. Which is the nation's second largest city. This is not a boat out on the ocean. This is the land or what used to be at. This is the international airport. This is the town of marsh harbour on avocado. Just entirely underwater the fact that dorian wouldn't move that it was stuck there for so long <unk> has meant that it took a long time to get these images it was basically impossible to get a sense of what had happened there and to get relief efforts underway until the eye of the storm. Finally he moved off grand bahama which only happened this afternoon as the washington post reports tonight. Emergency responders are now conducting quote targeted rescues on on the facebook page of the prime minister's office. The government asked people stranded on grand bahama to send their g._p._s. locations via whatsapp one user posted quote freeport gospel chapel multipurpose building meaning. I'm trapped there. I need rescuing there. Another person posted quote hi stuck by grand central four way in plot in excuse me grand central four-way. Please send help holding onto a wall. The people sending live reports with their g._p._s. coordinates. What's happening them to the facebook page of the prime minister. You have to try try to save people however you can in circumstances like this but again. This is the strongest storm to have ever been known to hit the bahamas joining us now by phone from nassau from the capital of the bahamas. Hamas is prime minister hubert menace mister prime minister sir. I know this is an incredibly difficult time. I will not keep you long but thank you for taking a moment to talk with us about what's happening there. Thank you very much. I know sorry that you were able to survey the damage in the bahamas among other places from the air today you were able to get up in a plane and can you tell us what you've been able to see as we were able to survey obstacle wannabe islands that was hit by this monster hurricanes arkansas' and the damage is less in the southern. <hes> area is more progressive as it moved north as we enter the airport with international airport and mice however we find that the runway and joining areas on the water and therefore no aircraft can land bring any form of relief and i'd be moved for the north. We know that <hes> <hes> marsh harbour area has been decimated. I would estimate that at least sixty percent of the homes and mice however has either been destroyed or or or by damaged <hes> the an area to be called the mud <hes> <hes> many of the asian nationals <hes> live that area has been completely destroyed and as we komo for the north i'm heading into the cooperstown other northern areas find that i'm the roadway is flooded flooded and in some aspects would be broken therefore there's no <hes> roadway transportation network between the north central. They're different communities and <hes> the uproar in the traffic area thirty one the northern settlement that airport though the runway is usable well. There's no access between the main road and the airport because that's joining thoroughfare is again flooded and underwater and there was a community unity <hes> the home within that community a gravely damaged passionately destroyed and <hes> that right lease. It's about thirty individuals who were standing outside the home on on dry ground would be considered relatively high ground those individuals repassed by were the being yellow cloth any type of clothing that they had available to them <hes> trying to point out to us that they were still alive and needed some form of assistance at elite <hes> that exact location was mopped and <hes> information was sent to <hes> helicopter in the nearby i <hes> area and those three individuals would have been rescued and transported to safety so basically <hes> what we're seeing with <hes> with <hes> avocado at this particular time the not yet surveyed grand bahama is not a clear yet so we cannot <hes> so they grandmamma but we expect to find quite a bit of devastation there and damage as a result the flooding. I you know the full the storm essentially <hes> fell asleep on grandma which would have <hes> even more damaged you can imagine <hes> being battered by one hundred and eighty to two hundred miles power wind for an excess of almost two days that can be very devastating mister prime minister so that the amount of devastation that you were describing avocados if you were able to get up and see today from the air when you describe neighborhoods with sixty percent of homes destroyed or damaged other neighborhoods that appeared to be entirely destroyed coupling coupling that with what you were describing about the infrastructure in terms of roads and airports being inundated in unusable have to ask if you feel that that evacuation orders were successful will there be large numbers of people that need rescue efforts in avocado or where people largely evacuated from the areas that were most resilient goup which you will find that even if <hes> evacuation after i leave cetera you find that the average behemoth want to stay in their community and rebuild the face challenges. I'm just not as bad as this before. These faced many hurricanes where areas and communities would ever stated and community tend to come together. Ah rebuild homes built at a very great standard building codes were built to withstand about one hundred and fifty miles per hour in the never expected that they would wendy encounter the velocity as high as one hundred the eighty to two hundred miles per hour but we would take the lesson and we would even build our strengthen our cords <hes> even more to ensure that <hes> the <hes> <hes> protected and protect ourselves and prepare as best we can in the end that straw that <hes> storms <hes> approach shores with even greater velocity but the billion people and <hes> <hes> stay and rebuild <hes> we would not leave island to move another survey in terms of people people who may still be there and who may need help either on grand bahama or anybody remaining an avocado especially as the storm now moves away from the bahamas and people start to emerging realized what around them and realize that they may not be able to travel is there communication are cell towers down are people able to communicate <hes> <hes> who who may need help as he passed through the arbuckle area <hes> several of our towers down and communication is limited <hes> we're using satellite phones to communicate with the various areas <hes> still in some areas. We're getting what up messages going through so <hes> communicating prior to that but <hes> as soon as the all clear is given even you can be assured that <hes> <hes> vessels on international community will be there and would commence rebuilding building their lives immediately <hes> were happy that <hes> but great for legacy that the storm had not hit <hes> economic engine of obama's which is new problems <hes> this is men tourist destination and they can see that new providence was not attached to the hotel airport street infrastructure telephone systems. Everything is still one hundred percent folks. No just <hes> just is was before hurricane those islands that are here that were hit does not necessarily affect new providence i economic engine functions and economic engines will use it our resources to help rebuild those two islands prime minister hubert minnesota nisa the bahamas sir. Thank you so much for giving us some of your time tonight. People around this country and around the world are obviously expressing concerns in prayers for the people of the bahamas. Thank for helping us understand. What's happening there so good luck. Thank you very much a live report there from the prime minister of the bahamas. He just completed a press conference earlier tonight. We're able to get him on the phone grateful for his time. As i mentioned earlier hurricane dorian i wall did finally move off of grand bahama this afternoon the prime minister mr saying there that it was as if the storm went to sleep over grand bahama island it is here the prime minister say listen. We'd build one hundred fifty mile an hour wind standard here. We didn't expect to have one hundred and eighty mile two hundred mile an hour winds for that sustained period right again strongest strongest storm to ever know ever known to have hit the bahamas now that the iowa has moved off of the bahamas. It is still moving slowly toward the u._s. Coast and and it is still a hurricane. Doreen is now a category two hurricane. It's gone from tropical storm two one two two all the way up to five. It's now back down to two right now. The winds are topping out at as you can see there about one hundred ten miles per hour. According to the national hurricane center they expect the storm now to move what they call dangerously close close to the florida coast and the georgia coast late tonight through tomorrow and into tomorrow night's then they expect it to be near or over over the coast of south carolina and north carolina <hes> through friday morning florida's east coast is already getting rain from the outer bands of dory and right now there are hurricane warnings and storm surge warnings in effect for most of the southeast coast. There are mandatory evacuation orders along the coast of florida and georgia and south carolina. We we expect north carolina's mandatory evacuations to begin tomorrow morning so again we will continue to track dorian as it threatens the united states. Those scenes from the bahamas is are absolutely devastating interesting to hear the prime minister there talk about the economic engine of the hamas being alive and being relatively untouched by the storm. He's talking that is being key to being able to mount rescue and rebuilding efforts and avocado and grand bahama that were so badly but we're just starting to get the first images off of those this island's because the storm just stayed there for so long so we will stay on that over the course of tonight. I also want to update tonight on a story that we covered pretty intensively intensively last week. This was a story i broken by w._v._u. Our public radio station in boston and by commonwealth magazine in massachusetts was also picked up thereafter by the boston globe and the miami herald then ultimately by the new york times but when this story first broke it massachusetts it was based on a couple of cases that centered around boston children's hospital boston children's hospital really elite children's hospital and it was almost as an unbelievable evil bit of news when this first started to emerge in the northeast last week there had been no announcement about this from the trump administration the only way anybody learned this trump administration plan was unfolding was when individual families started receiving letters from the trump administration that they had no warning of they couldn't believe them when they received them. They didn't know what to make of them. They started to turn to doctors and lawyers and advocacy groups to help for help with understanding what this could mean but the longest shortest the cartoonish lee evil caricatured bottom line of it as we the merged last week and as we reported here on the shell last week is that the trump administration had had somehow figured out a way to zero in on kids with life threatening illnesses kids with cancer kids with cystic fibrosis kids with rare diseases for which they they need specialized delicate advanced medical care of the kind that you can only get at elite children's hospitals the trump administration in their wisdom figured your daughter way to find those kids and those families in america and target them target them in some cases for death the trump the station with no warning started sending families of those kids in those situations letters telling them that even though those kids were here in this country legally to receive lifesaving medical care the trump administration has decided in its wisdom that that was no longer reason for those kids to be allowed to stay here so those parents needed to stop getting lifesaving medical care for their children and they needed to get them in their families out of this country within thirty three days. They all got the same boilerplate little letter this policy this program no longer applies. You need to be out in thirty three days. No appeal no referral that's and as i said this started as a local local story in massachusetts i think it took a few days to boil up into a national news story in part because who could believe this was really happening right. This was so oh indefensible. This is so morally repugnant literally. They're targeting kids with cancer now. I think the national press corps may not have been able able to fully sort of that. This really was the trump administration had decided to do next <hes> but this is real news. This is a real thing they've been doing and they're targeting. These kids actually extended to kids and families who were literally invited to come to this country by america's best children's hospitals invited here not as charity cases heartstrings cases where america was being generous literally. These families and these kids were invited here simply because american medical researchers needed needed access to these kids to try to develop cures to rare diseases. I don't know if you ever wanted to be a doctor. When you were growing up. I was always israeli squeamish about needles and blood and everything so i knew that i could never do it so it was never one of my fantasies ever but i know that for all the people who do end up becoming ming doctors and medical researchers in this country there are thousands more americans who grow up having this kind of superhero fantasy about how cool it would be to become a great doctor right right how cool it would be to become a groundbreaking medical researcher. It's an understandable like childhood fantasy right one of the great super heroic conquests. You could imagine imagine for yourself as one of the world's great doctors. It's one of the world's great researchers would be if you could come up with a cure or treatment for previously untreatable rare disease imagine what that would mean how meaningful that would make your life. If that was your life's work right. There are real doctors. There are real super heroic roic doctors who do that kind of work at the best children's hospitals in the world many of which are in the united states but that work doesn't just happen by genius alone it doesn't happen with capes and superpowers in order to develop cures for rare diseases. What you need is the ability to work with patients who have those rare diseases diseases and by definition of the word rare. There are not all that many of those patients and doctors for example at the u._c. San francisco children's hospital in northern california doctors doctors who are looking to test a potential treatment for a devastating rare disease called m. p. s. six where kids are born without an enzyme. They need to live doctors doctors wanting to develop a treatment for that rare disease well. They found a little seven year. Old girl named isabel isabel wessel who lived in another country. She had that rare disease at u._c._s._f. They recruited her and her family. They asked her family to please come to this country so she it could be part of a clinical trial that was testing an experimental treatment for her rare disease. They need patience to be able to test these treatments to be able to develop develop these treatments to be able to cure diseases. There's no other way to do it and so they need to find these patients wherever they are in the world and bring them here and because isabelle was able to come from another country to california to be part of this clinical trial that clinical trial finally had enough patients to be allowed to go ahead and the clinical trial went ahead had and it was successful and that treatment for that rare diseases now f._d._a. Approved thanks to her and her family and then last week. We learned that the trump administration had decided it was time for i heard a die. She gets weekly intravenous infusions of that experimental treatment which is not approved for distribution in her home country. Nevertheless the trump administration sent her family only a boilerplate letter a form letter telling them they needed to take isabel off treatment and get out of this country go back to where they came from and so that letter to isabelle's family and other families like isabelle's led to this initial coverage at w._b. Warr magazine follow up coverage from the boston austin globe including a devastating editorial from the boston globe. We picked up the story here on this show. Story also started getting covered in florida. The miami herald the new york times ultimately front page the story with this headline sick migrants undergoing lifesaving care can now be deported the oversight committee in the house notice what was happening. They announced an emergency hearing to be held this week friday of this week at which the head of the us citizenship and immigration services and the acting head of ice were both told to who appear then this letter went out signed by one hundred twenty seven members of congress remarkably every single one of the democrat apparently republicans don't care about this <music> one hundred twenty seven members of congress. All democrats sent this letter to the trump administration demanding a reversal of this policy demanding that they don't kill these kids but also demanding answers to a bunch of pretty direct questions like for example this one which is essentially who did it and why what was the rationale for the policy change. Please provide any emails memoranda guidance or other documents discussing the rationale for the policy change also who were the most senior officials in the white house and the department of homeland security who approved this change. Why did you not provide advance notice to the public to congress before this change was enacted for that matter what formal notice at all has been provided to the public or to congress that this change has been enacted in other words we the congress are only learning about this from the press the press only learning about it from the families you have taken aim at this is a major policy change where you just not gonna mention it the ground swell of disbelief and criticism and outrage over what the trump administration was doing here just kept building steadily over the course of last week. The story started to make network t._v. t._v. News anchors gayle king c._b._s. Morning show expressing on the air that surely surely this must be an error. Surely something could be done to fix this boston. Globe brand second editorial blistering one headline the most inhumane of trump's immigration policies. Here's the lead editorial quote president and it trump's latest outrageous immigration policy has become a bureaucratic hot potato an attack on sick immigrants so cruel that seemingly no part of the federal immigration asian system wants to implement it and really why would they unless the administration takes the hint and withdraws the proposal. It's asking officials to take actions that that ought to haunt their conscience and the countries and then finally after a week of this we have been watching this the story break and massachusetts and slowly build and slowly get flushed out and congress start to notice and editorial board start. Pick it up and it become a national news story. We've seen a week of this growing disbelief and outrage at what they're doing and now trump administration has changed their mind and they have reversed the policy sort of that's next hi. It's katy tur want to keep up with m._s._n._b._c. While you're on the go subscribe to the m._s._n._b._c. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text m._s._n._b._c. two six six eight six six to subscribe you might have seen some of these headlines over the last twenty four hours to send the new york times faced. I with criticism trump administration reverses abrupt end. She humanitarian relief from from w._v._u. Are in boston which did the some of the first reporting on the story. After public outcry feds agree to reopen certain medical deferral requests at commonwealth magazine in massachusetts which also did great reporting on the story from the very beginning ginning quote trump administration changes course on immigrant parents those told to leave the country will be allowed to stay for now that for now is doing a lot of work there because even though the trump administration appears to have caved on this they appeared to reverse themselves on this they will at least now consider the applications of kids who are already currently here in this country receiving lifesaving medical treatment they will consider the applications of those kids to stay on which which is a reversal it appears that the bigger picture of what they're doing here is not so much a reversal of this astonishing policy they were trying to get away with it appears to be more of just a temporary reprieve to try to cool down the heat of the spotlight that has been burning into them about this over the course of the last week and you know we should have expected that we have seen this before when it comes to the trump administration's anti immigrant policies that they want to crow about to their base for political purposes but they really don't wanna defend on the merits we saw for example when the trump administration was initially found to be taking little kids and babies away from their moms and dads at the border forcibly separating families families against their will you might remember the trump. Administration initially claimed that that wasn't their policy at all then they've made it okay. It was their policy but it wasn't a new the policy everybody's always done this hadn't they. Then in the face of a nationwide convulsion of outrage over their policy they made a big show of announcing they were stopping the policy well of course we've since learned that despite that big showy announcement and despite court orders telling them that they can't separate kids from their parents anymore the trump administration has actually just gone ahead and continued taking little kids away from their families at the border even to this day and it looks like that may be sort of what they're trying to pull pull off with this new announced apparent reversal of their new policy targeting kids with cancer and kids with cystic fibrosis and kids with rare diseases who are undergoing lifesaving medical care. The new england chair of the american immigration lawyers association has multiple clients who have been targeted by the trump administration in this latest dystopia intern. She tells commonwealth magazine in massachusetts today. Quote they created problem and are now pretending to solve it. They are not solving the problem with this new announcement. They are just pumping it to be dealt with later joining us now. Is that immigration attorney masa convy. I i miss combine. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. I appreciate you making time to be here. Thank you so much for having me rachel and drawing attention to this so we've seen all these headlines suggesting suggesting that the trump administration has backed off that maybe this was an error that maybe they didn't necessarily know what they were getting into and they started telling all these families that they were gonna and have to stop lifesaving medical treatment and leave this country but you're suggesting at least from the way you understand it that this may not be a reversal. They essentially may just be. He's sort of hitting pause. Yeah definitely the seems to just be a temporarily step temporary step back from their policy change change in that they're going to no longer retroactively apply this policy which is what one would have expected in the first place but going forward any application that was it was filed after august seventh will no longer be accepted or reviewed and instead they will have to go through the deportation process as the government recently recently stated so the people who've been profiled in the press reports about this policy change from the trump administration and some of them are people who had applied for this status and received this form letter in response saying no. We're no longer considering that. We can imagine what will happen now now that those applications will be reconsidered but you're saying anybody else who's in this similar situation who's in this country who was receiving life-threatening threatening lifesaving medical care here who can't get that lifesaving medical care in another country while that previously would have been the basis for applying to stay in this country. They're not hot planning on looking at any of those applications in the future correct right so essentially they're continuing with this gratuitously cruel policy so if someone were to apply on august eighth or today saying i have a very rare heart condition for example like my client who did not have arteries connecting electing to her heart and had to come to the united states for the treatment. If she tried to apply today they would not take her case and instead she would have to go into the deportation station process which would use tremendous government resources from ice to having to process these individuals to going to an immigration court where they have to see a the judge and use the resources of an already overburdened immigration court and the trial court system and then finally when they get a deportation deportation order from an immigration judge only then could they ask the immigration and customs enforcement office ice saying. Please don't carry out this deportation tation order. Let me apply for a stay of deportation. That's a very key distinction there that this is a legal status that is being taken away way. There's not people who are here in an illegal status. These are people who have legal status now on it's being removed putting them in a totally different part of the enforcement section. Let me just ask you briefly. You mentioned in your fourteen year old client there. We talked about her. The last time you were here miscount bobby she's fourteen years old. She has had how heart surgery for this condition. She is expected. She's recovering. I'm from that. She's expected to have further heart surgery in the future. Can i just ask what this has been like for her and her family having received this word that she would have to leave and they'll going through this apparent reprieve bright there obviously so thankful that the issue will no longer have to worry about this in the near future but we're not not sure yet how the government's even going to look at these applications when they put their statement. They seemed to bring a new condition a higher standard or burden it into be matt comparable to what individuals have to do when they're applying for a visitor visa at a u._s. Embassy so frankly i'm still concerned about how her application and all the others will be looked at also bobby who's chair of the new england chapter the american immigration lawyers association representing several people who have been caught up in this this new nightmare from the trump administration and thank you very much for joining us. Please keep us apprised. Thank you thank you so much rachel. Appreciate it much more to tonight. Stay with us in the great on winnowing so the next democratic presidential debate is next week ten candidates thursday next week in houston the d._n._c. set tougher criteria for qualifying for next week's debate that cut the field in half right so the previous debates had twenty contenders contenders competing back to back over two nights the next one the third debate is just going to be ten candidates all on one night in other words. The winnowing of the democratic presidential angel field begins but now let it also start on beginning because why not democrats the d._n._c. Just this week and confirmed the qualifying criteria for the fourth debate the one that happens in october next month under the rules just announced by the d._n._c. e._n._c. All of the candidates who qualify for next week's debate are definitely already in for october but people who don't qualify for next week's debate people who don't hit their remarks either in polling or fundraising times for next week's debate will get another month to try so the criteria for getting into the next two debates the one next week and one in october criteria is the same but the window for qualifying for the second one is longer so same start debate for qualifying for both debates that means you get a longer time to to try to get into the october one that means even though the september debate is going to reduce the candidate numbers down to ten the october. Debate is probably going to open them back up the october. Debate will end up being an unwin knowing which is the opposite of trying to zero in on the strongest candidate to represent the party right but that's it's where democrats are with one night of debate set in september and as they announced over this labor day weekend possibly two nights again in october for a newly re expanded banded field people who got cut for this next debate might be there next month democrats that said we also learned about something else that is likely likely to have significant political impact that could be happening at the exact same time of that weird winnowing debate and that story is next the washington post today broke some surprising news that as soon as next month as soon as october the house judiciary committee is preparing to hold hold hearings and call witnesses involved in hush money payments two ex playboy model karen mcdougal and adult film star stormy daniels. This is the case that already put the president's personal lawyer michael cohen in federal prison for campaign finance felonies. It's a case in which federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york have already named the president as individual one who they say directed the commission of these felonies will now among other things. The judiciary committee apparently wants to find out what the president knew about these felonies. They're interested in exploring the president's own evolving explanations about what he knew of the scheme judiciary. The democrats also apparently want to investigate why the justice department ended their own criminal investigation of this hush money scheme after michael cohen was sent to prison for it. Clearly other people were involved in this or wouldn't have been a scheme. Why did the justice department ended after only charging michael cohen joining us now. Is tom. Hamburger reporters. Washington post was part of breaking the story hamburger really appreciate you making time to be here with us tonight. Thanks to be with you rachel. Thanks so. I say this is surprising news because i'd wile weil. This seemed to me like a big dangling threat in terms of the various scandals that have surrounded the president this particularly interesting one because of what federal prosecutors told the federal judge in this case about the president's own involvement. We didn't previously have any sense that the democrats in the house were interested in pursuing this on their own terms terms. Am i right that this is the first we've known that they've been interested in going after this. This is the first indication we've had from the judiciary committee that they are putting this on their list of priorities topics to investigate. We knew rachel already that they were focused on some of the things that were that were front and center in the mother report award particularly the alleged incidents of of possible obstruction of justice but this six case sixth <hes> matter involving the hush money payments had been very much on the back burner and there was no definite sign that it was going to be investigated by the judiciary committee or other committees. He's until just the last few weeks the prospect of there being hearings on this in the house. I suppose could go a couple of different ways a lot of the high profile witnesses that the committees have gone after they haven't been able to get to come in to testify at all when people have been able to come in and testify more often than not we have seen those people testifying behind closed doors. We have any sense as to whether or not the witnesses for this this hearing including presumably stormy daniels herself who said today on twitter bring it that she's willing to testify. Do we expect that these hearings would be held in in public that these would be televised hearings rather than closed door hearings a <hes> rachel the terms of the hearing have not been formally set but our expectation of the interviews that my colleague rachel baid at the post and i did suggest ask this is a high profile hearing a high profile hearing so yes public it is something that the members of the judiciary committee felt in a sense <hes> <hes> that they have a public duty to to present publicly in part because you just suggested the investigation of this hush money payment seemed to end rather. There's suddenly in the southern district of new york. Michael cohen was sentenced to <hes> is doing jail time because of his involvement with it but the documents that were released by a federal judge also concerned about getting public attention to this <hes> showed that there were strong indications that there was <hes> a group of individuals not just michael cohen <hes> involved in a conspiracy to basically subvert campaign finance laws make payments <hes> that would assure that the testimony of these women would remain quiet at least not go public at least not before election day and tom. We know that the judiciary committee authorized authorize some subpoenas that seem to be related to this case earlier in the summer like in july they authorized subpoenas for keith davidson one of the attorneys who is involved in this also stormy daniels yourself also current mcdougal also david pecker dylan howard from the national enquirer as far as we've been able to figure out here on on the staff of my show those subpoenas while they got a lot of attention at the time they were authorized by the committee but as far as we can tell they have not yet been served for those peop- they have have not actually received subpoenas. Is that true. That's that's what we understand is well rachel. There are reports that there have been some preliminary discussions sion's with some of those people and i wanted to turn back to a point you mentioned just moment a moment ago which is one of the reasons there's excitement about. This particular. Case is that unlike the five obstruction cases for example where the judiciary and other committees have been frustrated in their investigation because the trump administration has basically refused present or former administration employees to testify in this case you're dealing with employees and individuals including those you just mentioned who have never been employed by the administration and thus may not be subject to that sort of constraint. There's one other thing that i think it has has the investigators attention and has members of the committee <hes> eager to move forward and that is unlike some of the other investigations at subpoenas that have been issued for government documents in this case we know so that the publisher of the national enquirer has turned over to the committee some documents already so there are documents in hand and there is a affair possibility of getting some witnesses to testify <hes> what that the bottom line for the committee is <hes> <hes> the possibility of getting of having some real <hes> drama <hes> at a public hearing and i think that's where they're headed in early october. Tom hamburger our reporter with the washington post. Tom thank you very much for helping us understand this reporting that you broke with rachel beta really really appreciate it. Thank you all right. Thanks more news to get to tonight. Stay with us. This is something you have to see whether or not you've been following following every twist and turn in the ongoing debate in our great ally the u._k. Where this ancient story democratic government is basically falling apart over brexit of the question of whether and how and when britain should leave the european union whether or not you have been following that at all today you should know they went over a bit of a cliff owns the ice and the rights three hundred and twenty eight the nose left three hundred one offers not a good start boris that was the new british prime minister boris johnson losing his very first brexit vote in parliament and brexit is the reason he's prime minister even worse for him. A whole bunch of members of his own party crossed over to the other side to vote against him despite the threat that they would actually be kicked out of the conservative party permanently if they did sell and again you don't need to know all the ins and outs of the briggs fight to get a sense of how out of control and chaotic things are right there right now. After that initial vote today that not a good start boris. I suppose what boris johnson decided to do. In response was called a snap national election and by snap. I mean six weeks from now. Ready set go new national election and then lawmakers and parliament got so riled up by the leader of the opposition labor party that the speaker of parliament the guy who controls the business on the floor of the guy who's always yelling order her. He basically had to take one of boris johnson's top cabinet officials out behind the woodshed election piece both tomorrow to stop negotiations and to compel another pointless delay to brexit potentially two years then that would be the only the way to resolve this. I can confirm that we are tonight. Tabling a motion under the fixed term parliament he wants to table a motion for general election sign the bill through in order to take no deal off the table who's the members <music> of the duchy when he turns out but our children's school as apparent. He's a betty well-behaved. He wouldn't dare behave like that. In front of choline rent sean spirits to theatrics yourself it. Yes we know the theatrics that he would. They don't seem to be a good boy to the chancellor of the duchy. I don't know what the chancellor of the duchy. Is anybody anybody who tells you they know. Even just what's going to happen tomorrow. In britain is lying. Nobody knows how this is going to resolve is just a remarkable situation over there right now. Whether or not you have been watching the brexit brexit. Fiasco closely really is threatening the basic idea of political conflict resolution it really is threatening governance and a basic way in our most important horton overseas ally in a way that is utterly unpredictable. Watch this space that is going to do it for us tonight. I will tell you though that if you are interested in this story that we've been covering over the past week about the trump administration literally targeting sick and dying children for deportation tation along with their families lawrence is going to be speaking live in the next hour with congressman mark to sonia who is a congressman from california who has been right out in front front on this issue he in fact was the congressman for isabel boy so that young girl who was brought to california at the age of seven to help out in that clinical trial who now relies on weekly treatment at u._c. San francisco children's hospital to keep ourselves alive. She's one of the people who targeted by the trump administration and told to get out of this country congressman. Dasani is going to be joining lawrence. Live ahead plus lots more the show weeknights at nine on m._s._n._b._c. new for me depressed arrest chuck todd cast. 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"From New York. This is democracy now? He kind of frame narrative around disease outbreaks is something foreign like an encroachment from outside that invades us in kind of posits. These passive victims, but actually and I think that really obscures the larger story which is, there's a lot of human agency involved in how we're turning microbes into. Pathogenic. And pandemic causing pathogens. It's time to tell a new story about corona virus. Our lives depend on it as the United States shatters its record at Nineteen and Texas and Florida report their highest death tolls of the pandemic. We'll speak with science investigative journalists Sonia Shop. Then tm were Unisex is warning. Children face deadly hunger in h shortages as the covid nineteen pandemic spreads. Catholic! spanking deaths because the coronavirus. Diseases, the workers were not able to keep up with the digging, the Barrio and the finishing up graves. This comes after years of us-backed Saudi bombing in Yemen that's created the world's worst humanitarian crisis, and is the Center for Disease Control Says Unh- Oush. People living in encampment should be allowed to remain where they are to help. Stop the spread of covid nineteen. We go to Philadelphia where the Mayor's postponed the addiction of an encampment plan for this morning. We. Looked up? How dare? All that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman. The United States has shattered its own record for Covid, nineteen, confirming seventy, five thousand six hundred cases of the disease on Thursday as Texas and Florida, both reported their highest death tolls of the pandemic speaking in an online forum hosted by facebook top US. Infectious Disease Expert Dr Anthony Fauci, said the records, Spike and infections, which is the worst in the world, resulted from states rushing to reopen their economies too quickly. You can't jump over steps, which is very perilous when you think about rebound and the proof of the pudding is look what's happened. There really is no reason why we're having forty fifty, sixty, thousand, other than the fact that we're not doing something correctly vouching with speaking with facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, Dr. Fatty said the US economy will continue to suffer unless the. The virus is brought under control through simple measures like mask-wearing avoiding crowds and practicing social distancing in Colorado Democratic governor jared police issued a statewide mask mandate Thursday a week after refusing public health officials pleased to require facial coverings and public, Arkansas, Republican Governor Asa Hutchinson issued a similar mask mandate in Georgia Republican governor Brian Kemp has filed a lawsuit seeking to overturn. And, Atlanta Mask Ordinance ordered by Mayor Kisha Lance Bottoms, who is at home sick with Cova meanwhile target and CVS became the latest major US retailers to require masks nationwide mayor Barrows is home diagnosed with Kovic as is her husband and her child in Detroit. Michigan Police arrested eleven people Thursday as they blocked school buses and non violent protests, demanding the cancellation of in person classes during the pandemic. At least six hundred children are attending summer classes at. At Detroit, area politics goals even as corona virus infections have been rising in Michigan for the last three weeks in Saint, Louis, Missouri contact tracers have linked the spread of corona virus to summer, extracurricular programs including football conditioning camps at two high schools despite the surge Missouri High School Football Games are set to begin August, twenty eighth at the white. House Press Secretary Kalay mcenaney was said Thursday science should not stand in the way of reopening schools. and. The president has said unmistakably that he wants to open, and I was just in the oval talking about that. And when he says open, he means open full kids being able to attend each and every day at school the science should not stand in the way of this in response American. Federation of Teachers President Randi Weingarten accused President trump in education secretary, betsy devos of disregarding the safety of children and school employees Weingarten told The Guardian quote. It's as if trump and devos want to create chaos and want to jeopardize reopening. There's no other reason why they would be this reckless this. This callous, this cruel, she said, in Brazil confirmed cases of coronavirus of surpassed the two million mark with an official Covid, nineteen death toll of more than seventy, six thousand India recorded another record daily toll as corona virus cases passed the one million mark. Several Indian states have reintroduced lockdown measures. They lifted just last month in eastern India flooding from monsoon rains has force more than a million people into shelters were social distancing is difficult or impossible in Bogota. Colombia doctors are demanding a citywide lockdown as a surge of covid, nineteen cases overwhelms hospitals. This is Dr. BAYONA president of the Colombian Medical College. In this, Kim says that's always. Emergency services overcrowded in some places. Respiratory rooms are at more than one hundred fifty percent occupancy, and that concerns us a lot. We're very close to collapse. Even in emergency wards, their patients on respirators that are waiting to be transferred to intensive care elsewhere and Columbia legal armed groups have been enforcing their own quarantine scenarios with limited government control, threatening civilians who failed to comply with orders by paramilitaries Human Rights Watch reports. At least nine people have been killed for defying the measures with some residents barred from leaving their homes even if they're sick. Back in the United States Republican leaders, said Thursday they'll scale back in person attendance at the Republican. National Convention in Jacksonville next. Month is Florida's suffers one of the world's worst outbreaks of covid nineteen, the Republican National Committees plans call for a mix of indoor and outdoor fence with only regular delegates permitted to attend the first three days of convention business about. Twenty five hundred people each day, when president trump formerly accepts the nomination August twenty seventh. The RNC plan calls for a crowd of up to seven thousand people. A federal judge on Thursday extended the deadline for immigration and Customs Enforcement or ice to release immigrant children and its custody last month. The US District Judge Dolly G told ICE IT had until today July seventeenth through release children from its family detention centers in Texas and Pennsylvania due to concerns over rising corona virus infections, ice now has until July twenty seven to comply with the order of this comes as another federal judge is poised to rule next week on the trump administration requests to keep immigrant families jailed and quote family detention centers, prompting fears that immigrant children could once again be separated from their parents. After a year long investigation US Customs and Border Protection says it's fired for employees and suspended dozens more without pay over their participation in a facebook group filled with racist, homophobic and misogynistic content. In one post, a photo shopped image depicted congressman Alexandra Cossio. Cortez being sexually assaulted by president trump and another thread, members of the group made fun of a video of an immigrant man, trying to carry a through a raging river in a plastic bag. One group member commented. At least it's already in a trash back. In Monroe Louisiana, a twenty six year old Guatemalan men in the custody of ice that's immigration and Customs Enforcement Forty six year old watermelon man has died in hospital where he'd been receiving care since February Louise Sanchez. Perez had been imprisoned at the Carter Hula Correctional Center. We're over one. Hundred have tested positive for covid. Nineteen ice alleges his death was unrelated to corona virus. The American Immigration Lawyers Association reports at. At. Least Thirteen asylum-seekers have died this year after being jailed by ice in Texas a Houston. Jail is reporting a new surge in corona virus cases linked to newly booked personnel confirmed cases at Harris County jail had dropped in recent weeks after the jail cut some of its population to ease and earlier outbreak, nearly thousand people held in jail have tested positive for covid nineteen since the start of the pandemic. In Portland. Oregon police arrested nine people. Thursday morning after declaring their protest encampment near a downtown federal courthouse and illegal assembly. The crackdown came as acting homeland. Security Secretary Chad. Wolf accused Portland officials of failing to restore order during seven weeks of protests that erupted after the killing of George Floyd during a visit to Portland. Thursday wolf blasted black lives matter protesters as lawless. Lawless anarchists and a violent mob that desecrated and destroyed Federal Property Oregon Governor Kate Brown clap back on twitter. Writing this political theater from President, trump has nothing to do with public safety. The president's failing to lead this nation. Now he's deploying federal officers to patrol the streets of Portland and a blatant abuse of power by the Federal Government Shoe said government Brown. That was governor Brown video circulating on Social Media Show heavily armed federal officers with no agency marking snatching people off Portland streets and forcing them into unmarked cars. Oregon public broadcasting reports. One protester ran when he saw people wearing camouflage jump out of an unmarked vehicle, not knowing whether he was being arrested or kidnapped. The, US Supreme Courts declined to overturn a lower court's ruling that could strip the voting rights of one million formerly incarcerated citizens in Florida in an unsigned opinion. The court let Stand Appeals Court ruling, upholding a Florida law signed by Republican Governor Ron Disentis that requires people with felony convictions to pay court, fines and fees before they can register to vote a US District Court previously compared the fees to the poll. Taxes of the Jim Crow South in a scathing dissent signed by justices, Kagan and. Justice Sonia. Sotomayor wrote quote. This court's order prevents thousands of otherwise eligible voters from participating in Florida's primary election, simply because they are poor unquote here in New York, hundreds of immigrant protesters camped out overnight outside Amazon. CEO Jeff Bezos as Penthouse apartment on Fifth Avenue calling for the passage of a New York state tax on billionaires, a proposed capital gains tax backed by Congress member. Alexander Custody Cortez would fun food and rental assistance for people who've lost jobs during the pandemic including immigrants shut out of unemployment, benefits and government stimulus funds. US, Canadian and British intelligence agencies on Thursday accused Russian hackers of stealing proprietary research on the development of vaccines for Covid nineteen the National Security Agency blamed the Russian hacker group known as cozy bear that intelligence officials accused of hacking into Democratic Party Service during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign, the hacking claim has raised fears of growing vaccine nationalism with countries competing to become the first with the vaccine rather than sharing research data Dr. Ali Khan Dean of the College of Public Health at the University of Nebraska Medical Center. I know the Russian government or the bad guys, but I don't see. This is any different than stealing bread. If you're starving, make open source Dr. Cohen tweeted. Russia has denied the claims in climate news new research finds a record breaking heat wave in Siberia is directly linked to greenhouse gas emissions from human activity. The study by the U. K. Met Office finds temperatures in Russia's Arctic this year where five degrees Celsius, above historical averages, the report warns. Warns of the widespread melting of Siberian permafrost, an explosion of populations of soap moths that have damaged forests, helping to spark massive Arctic wildfires. Meanwhile, the United States is heading into a record breaking heat wave with forecasters warning nine Outta. Tenuous residents will experience high temperatures of ninety degrees, Fahrenheit or more over the next week Death Valley California reached one hundred twenty eight degrees, Fahrenheit Sunday just one degrees shy of the highest temperature ever recorded anywhere on earth. A federal judge has barred the trump administration from gutting an obama era rule, limiting emissions of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas Thursday's ruling by US District Judge. Yvonne Rogers will reimpose limits on the amount of methane that oil and gas companies can allowed to leak from drilling sites public lines. Scores of prominent environmentalists have signed an open letter demanding a halt, all investments in fossil fuel, exploration and extraction and immediate end to all fossil fuel subsidies there were also calling on member states the International. Criminal Court to make ecocide and international crime. The letter was written by Swedish climate. Activists could have to tune, but he who says world leaders need to face the climate emergency. We need to steed as above all. An existential crisis as long as it's not being treated as a crisis, we can have as many of these climate change negotiations. Talks conferences as possible. It won't change the thing in California twenty two year old transgender woman was found killed in an abandoned building in the city of Brawley earlier this week. Police are investigating the death. Maryland Casado's as a homicide custody. Aunt described her as charismatic, brave and outspoken. She's at least the twenty-third transgender gender non conforming person killed in the US this year. In sports news at least fifteen women have come forward with allegations of sexual harassment and verbal abuse against several executives and other employees of Washington's and team. The name is the R word in details provided to the Washington Post the women describe male executives constantly commenting on their locks, sending inappropriate text messages and pursuing unwanted relationships. The team announced this week it could be changing its name and its mascot, a racist slur against native Americans which at first adopted in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty three. A tell all book. By president trump's knee sold nearly one million copies Thursday on its first day of publication record for publisher, Simon and Schuster in her book titled Too Much and Never Enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man, clinical psychologist Mary Trump describes her uncle donald as a sociopath who grew up in a dysfunctional family that fostered his greed and cruelty on Thursday Mary. Trump told MSNBC host Rachel maddow. She's heard her uncle. Repeatedly US racists language. Have, you heard. The president used the N. word. And Antisemitic slurs specifically. And former game show host, who's conspiracy theory about corona virus was recently re tweeted by President Trump has revealed his son contract. Cova nineteen over the weekend president trump re tweeted acclaimed by chuck woolery, the former host of love connection that quote the most outrageous lies are the ones about covid nineteen. Everyone's lying the media. Democrats are doctors a day after woolery tweeted quote cove in one, thousand nine hundred is real, and it is here. My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for those suffering, and especially for those who lost loved ones. President. Trump did not re tweet that tweet on Wednesday. woolery abruptly deactivated his twitter account. And those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now. Democracy now dot org quarantine report. I'm Amy Goodman. We begin today's show in Yemen where UNICEF is warning. Children face deadly hunger and shortages as the covid nineteen pandemic spread through a country that already faces the world's worst humanitarian crisis. This comes as medical workers say. A us-backed Saudi led bombing raid on a residential neighborhood in northern Yemen Wednesday, Killed Twenty five civilians critically injured nine others. A local doctor treated several injured children. Found Injured victims are all children. Received three or four people can beat mortared women and children. In today's a painful and sad day for the Free Yemeni people. The Yemen data project estimates. The Saudi led coalition has carried out more than twenty one thousand airstrikes in five years of war, killing more than eighty seven hundred civilians. Most of the raids were carried out with weapons sold by the United States, and they haven't stopped even amidst the global pandemic, meanwhile, the United Nations warning of a looming environmental disaster in the Red Sea. Where stricken oil tankers been abandoned off Yemen's coast since the war began five years ago, the vessel loaded with more than a million barrels of crude oil four times as much oil has spilled from the Exxon Valdez off Alaska in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, you, humanitarian affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Mark Lowcock, said Wednesday. A spill would directly affect one point six million Yemenis. Every fishing communities along Yemen's west coast would see their livelihoods. Collapse I'm would suffer substantial economic losses. About Ninety percent of in these communities, Reggie needs humanitarian. Assistance All of this is happening as the US back Saudi. Bombing Campaign in Yemen has been devastated by a conflict leaving millions of people without access to proper healthcare clean water sanitation for more. We're joined by Shreen Allah Dini Yemeni scholar. And? Assistant Professor at Michigan State University Welcome back to democracy. Now it's great to have you with US professor Jimmy. Can you start off by talking about the situation of the corona virus and Yemen right now? A country devastated by the US back Saudi bombing. Thank you for having me back on the situation like a as you said as dire, said this before, but every time I come on the show. It just seems to be getting worse, and the reason is because the war continues. The bombing continues. The blockade is still enforced and so a coronavirus. Initially, they weren't a lot of cases. They weren't any recorded cases until April. But ever, since then it's you know starting to wreak havoc and racine death rates that are just astronomical were seeing thirty percent nearly thirty percent death rates from coronavirus in the cases that have been documented in Yemen, which is of course very difficult to do. Given the healthcare crisis in the ongoing blockade in the shortage of medicine and fuel and. All the things that needed to keep hospitals functioning. I want to turn to the Yemeni epidemiologists have half who speaking to the BBC. goes out. The medical team knew this was covert nineteen. The authorities didn't announce it, but then the cases started to increase rapidly the next day there were seventeen confirmed cases the day after another twenty two. Then we started hearing. People were dying in their homes. Professor Sharona. Demi, you're here in Michigan where you teach. Your family remains in Yemen. How are they doing in the midst of this pandemic? There's not much that they can do given that. Livelihoods depend on those of them who are still able to work still have to go out and work. If you're talking about for example protecting themselves from masks, they try to do or with masks. They try to do what they can, but you know it's not easy to purchase these things There's a lot of misinformation. People are just not sure. Should they be taking precautions? Is this really happening? You know as the interviewee said you know they were certain. This was happening, but they weren't being announced so. People are still unsure about what's happening, but they're also not able to kind of take precautions that we're able to take. Many of us are able to take here for example, there's seventeen million people in Yemen. That's about fifty six percent of the population doesn't have access to clean water this drinking water. So how are they gonNA use soap and water to wash their hands frequently. We have three four million people internally who are internally displaced that are in camps. How are they going to social distance where they're going to get water where they GONNA get food? You have eighty percent of the population. That's immuno-compromised because they're hungry and so you know this isn't a country that's. Kind of precautions. So people are confused. They know that a lot of people are dying around. We've heard of many people in Friends Mike my parents swear. Professors are university and we received a list of all of these people who died many of them were their former colleagues. We don't know for sure if it was because of coronavirus or not, but chances are you know? The coronavirus, or when one of the many outbreaks that are currently plaguing the Yemeni healthcare system are your family members or any sick with Cova. A WE, did have, family members, WHO! Again. They weren't tested because they can't get tested, but they. The symptoms seem to be coronavirus. Symptoms so far they've recovered. You know we're still keeping in touch with them in jump. There's very little anybody can do. Can you talk about? The US back, Saudi bombing campaign ease it still going on through the pandemic can what have been the US measures that have been taken or not taken. Here's the really frustrating, amy. All of this is happening and the US is still helping the Saudis and the teams drowns and Yemen two days ago. Sixteen people were killed in an airstrike and mostly women and children. Today's before that eleven people were killed the near strike, and so the airstrikes are still ongoing. The blockade is still ongoing and. This is in the middle of pandemic and you know I I can't imagine a country that has a worse than Yemen. Currently it was the world's worst humanitarian crisis before Kobe, and because of the US intervention, and now it's even worse than that, and so there's a fuel crisis where people aren't. You know they're queuing for fuel form. Sunrise to sunset and often they're still not able to get any fuel. Those fuel of course is needed to run the generators the The water pumps the ventilators, the very few hundred ventilators that remain in the country. And so this will be absolutely catch catastrophic, and it's all because of the root cause, which is this ongoing bombardment of Yemen and the ongoing blockade that's enforced by the Saudi led coalition. President trump vetoed legislation last year. Bipartisan legislation that sought to bring us complicity and the war to an end. What do you think Congress should be doing right now? It it took Congress for years to pass that legislation, which is frankly unacceptable given that they agree that this was an unconstitutional war. The started of course by Obama with Obama, and continued into the trump presidency and four years later It was great that we had this bipartisan bill. It was vetoed, but you know. The role of Congress shouldn't and right there. It was predicted that trump was gonNA veto this. Of course he has spoken publicly about the support. His support for the Saudi led coalition because of all the contracts for the weapon. For the defense industry here. But you know Congress. Still has the authority to declare war any I don't think that they should be giving up. We haven't had any kind of debate on Yemen for a year and a half since this bill was passed, and so I would urge them to introduce legislation that continues to challenge this. There are ways to introduce legislation that his veto proof, and that's what they have to keep going. This can't be an issue that is. Discussed, for a very short period of time, and then forgotten about because the suffering is just unbelievable and we're GONNA have millions of people dead before. I think anybody wants to do anything about it, and then it's going to be too late. There's been a lot of blame on migrants passing through Yemen that they're bringing cove in nineteen in without discussing the devastation that the bombing, the constant bombing of Yemen has caused. Such A. Destruction of the infrastructure. Absolutely. I mean there is no infrastructure to speak of half the hospitals have been bond. The other half are barely functioning at ten percent capacity. The blockade is preventing important medicine from entering the country. There's a shortage of personnel. The Health Ministry hasn't been able to pay people for two years, and so people are volunteering in these hospitals. and. Migrants! Of course they're the most vulnerable situation, the most vulnerable situation because if you have to cross tm into, get to your destination. You know that's a very awful thing to have to do. And before the war force Yemen was home to many migrants Hundreds of thousands of migrants from East Africa. and Vice Versa but the situation right now is dire for everybody and we. We can't talk about these things in isolation. The root causes here is that Yemen is under occupation? It's under bombardment. It's under a blockade. That's killing. A child every ten minutes at least for the last five years from preventable in this is like cholera, diphtheria fever child could die from simple fever, because there's no medicine to relieve fever, children are starving to death. Because there's no, there's no water and so. We really have to be talking about the root causes, and not think about all of these as as I selected incidents. And the problem of people already grappling with Diptheria Dang Gay Cholera in Yemen. Absolutely, H, one n one, and so therefore outbreaks that are currently stressing the whatever remaining healthcare system. Is in Yemen and now out on top of that caller. Sorry coronavirus and there's really no way to. Track it to treat it to you know supply people with the kinds of medicines that they need. There's only three hundred ventilators in the entire. Country of thirty million people. And so you know what are people gonNA. Do they just expect they're going to die? From from whatever diseases come at the next, so your message to lawmakers here in the United. States and to the world professor -ality me. And it's really time to take back responsibility and for people to be held accountable for this. This is trump's war and this is congress. Doing if they continue to stay silent, while he is perpetuating this violence against these and the countries like Canada or France or the UK or Germany. Countries are benefiting still from the sale of weapons to the Saudis and MIT's. You can't go and say well. We want peace in Yemen when you are actively profiting from the war in Yemen, participating in the killing of civilians in Yemen and so I think Yemenis feel like the international community has let them down absolutely. Let them down but it's really time to. Stop blaming people who are occupied and think about the people who are occupying them and bombing them and starving them to death, and it's time to put an end to all of that. Serena. Thank you for being with us? Yemeni scholar Activists Assistant Professor at Michigan State University in east. Lansing next up. It's time to tell a new story. ABOUT CORONA VIRUS! Our lives depend on it. That's the headline of a new piece by science investigative journalist. Sonia stay with us. Hud. Yemeni artists singing at home is part of the Social Media Campaign Hashtag. Remote Yemeni arch. This is democracy. Now I'm amy, Goodman the quarantine report the united. States hit an all time high of seventy, five, thousand, six hundred new covid cases Thursday. The largest number recorded in a single day since the pandemic began, and that number's expected to be much higher as it's increasingly difficult now to get tests across the country in some places and Texas and Arizona and other states, the lines are hours hours long Texas and Florida hit record covid nineteen daily death tolls Thursday, Joining Alabama Arizona Hawaii Idaho Montana Oregon South Carolina and Utah which also their highest number of dead in a single day this week. As the US spirals into a disaster that public health experts warn could get much worse in the fall. Half of the states in the country have now issued mask mandates, but some Republican leaders are continuing to fight the basic public health measure. Georgia governor Brian Kemp suspended local mask requirements this week and has sued the city of Atlanta, and it's mayor mayor bottoms for its mask. Man Take President. Trump has repeatedly refused to wear a mask as he did. When he landed in Atlanta this week a university of Washington motto predicts near Universal. mask-wearing could save up to twenty eight thousand lives in the US before October first top US infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Found. She said Thursday. The spike in Corona virus cases resulted from states rushing to reopen their economies. And that the economy will continue to suffer, unless the virus is brought under control through simple measures like mask-wearing, avoiding crowds and practicing social distancing despite this president, trump and education secretary, Betsy Devos are continuing to push schools to reopen in person in the fall. This is the White House press secretary speaking at the White House. The president has said unmistakably that he wants to open, and I was just in the oval, talking him about that, and when he says open, open and full kids being able to attend each and every day at their school, the science should not stand in the way of this. We're joined right now by Sonia Shah Investigative Journalist, and the author of pandemic tracking contagion, from Colorado, table, and beyond and the next great migration, the beauty terror of life on the move, her new piece for the nation's headlined. It's time to tell a new story about corona virus. Our lives depend on it. Welcome back to democracy now. Sonia Shah. What is that new story that must be told. Well I think the way we think about infectious diseases like covid nineteen is as if they are a foreign incursion that we have to repel with military might and weaponry, but in fact we're not passive victims of these things. There's a lot of human agency involved in the infectious disease process and I think we need to start talking about. COVID nineteen and other infectious diseases as the social and political phenomenon that they also are. So talk about that further. Elaborate on what you think is the real crisis here and that even find a vaccine is not going to cure that catastrophe. We're facing. Right so so the the way we talk about the disease. That that is, what propels our policy responses, so if we think of it as a foreign incursion than we want to do things like close the borders, or you know control people's movements who are unwanted people's movements, and we want to create these weapons, vaccines and drugs, and you know that might work for older diseases that we already had under control, but when you have a brand new disease like this one, and we're already seeing this, you cannot make a drug or vaccine fast enough to protect people from the first wave, and the first wave is the most deadly wave because that's when we have no immunity at all. And we're. We're seeing the effect of that now. Instead of spending you know, we should have been spending way more time and resources prioritizing collective actions, which were having so much difficulty doing now sort of after the fact after we've had these huge outbreaks may have so much virus around now. We're trying to talk about well. Maybe we should wear masks. Maybe we should stay home. Maybe we should close restaurants. We should have been doing that early on and I. Think if. If we had told a different story about this pathogen that it is a social phenomenon that it is within our ability to arrest. It's spread by changing our behavior through cooperative actions together. I think we might have been in a different place. Some might say that the best vaccine for the Corona Virus is Medicare for all is health care for all. Can you fit the disparities the racial disparities and who lives and who dies who get sick and who doesn't into that? Yeah I think that's absolutely right. I mean I think when we spent. If we look at where we're spending our resources as a nation where we're spending our attention, it's very much into this market driven proprietary. Vaccine Development Development, and that serve certain interests. Of course those companies are going to make a lot of money. You get a Lotta Glory for creating a vaccine. Of course. The vaccine will help us if we actually ever get one. But the people who can wait for the vaccine have privileges right. There's a lot of people who can't wait for a vaccine. to, collective actions and behavior changes now we need everyone on board, so we need to build that trust up again. And to think of this disease is something that is within our power. We are not the passive victims that we blame other people for. The that they're bringing it to us, and we need to keep them out, or we need to have weapons to destroy the microbes in their bodies. We need to think of it as something you know all these microbes. They have no independent locomotion. They rely entirely on us to spread from one person to the next. So even if you have the introduction of a deadly pathogen community and we've seen this over time, historically you may not have an epidemic if behaviors don't sustain it, so these are things that we have to. Rethink what our role is in the disease, process Sonia Sean, gives us a history lesson. Take us back through the contagion from eighteen thirty two cholera outbreak in nineteen in eighteen, thirty two and come to the to the present. To Win Cholera first emerged in the eighteen hundreds was like covid nineteen today brand new disease. No one had ever seen anything like it. It tore across. The world started in South Asia moved up into Europe, and then across into North America, and it was carried through contaminated water people in New York. Physicians collected data showing very clearly that cholera was coming down. The Hudson River is coming down the Erie Canal heading straight for New York City, but a commercial interests at the time said well, we cannot quarantine the waterways because that would be too disruptive to trade and so public health. Public Health. Interventions never included any quarantines of the waterways So that was part of the resistance to controlling the disease was just it was too costly to the economy, but the other part of it was that it. It wasn't the way they understood the disease. The way they understood diseases at that time was that. Disease contagious diseases or carried into air that these were carried by me as Mazey's smelly clouds of gas that if you inhale them that that's what would make you sick so rather than quarantining the waterways, people did things like string up sides of beef to soak up the cholera vapors, or they burned barrels of tar. To repel the asthma's in the city of London. People would install flush toilets. What they called water closets, not because he wanted to get rid of human waste and contain human waste, which was in fact contaminated with cholera, but because he wanted to get rid of the smells, and so since they didn't care about the contents of their privies outhouses, they dumped all of that human waste into their drinking water into the river tens, and after every cholera outbreak, they actually installed more flush toilets to. Dump more human waste into the rivers and their drinking water, rather than less than so they probably made cholera a lot worse, and so we had these cholera outbreaks, continuing for nearly a century over eighteen over that sent over the nineteenth century, and thousands and thousands of people died, of course, and then talk about how society has dealt with for example, Zeka and Ebola, and how covert nineteen is different from those pandemics. Zeke any below never really became full on. Down and pandemic of course, but as as outbreaks. there. You know that those are much more have been much more containable, but I think it's you know. This is the same approach where we look for drugs and vaccines rather than looking at the deep root cod, as which are. Human driven. All of these things are coming out of wildlife in animals. All of these microbes live animals and wildlife and are harmless in those environments. So we think of them as invading us, but what's really happening is we're invading their territory so when we invade wildlife habitat, we destroy where the bats roost, and so they don't just go away. They come in living our farms in backyards instead. And that facilities, all kinds of novel intimate contact between Wildlife and human bodies, whether it's wildlife, trade, or Bushmeat, hunting, or wet markets, or you know casual contact any number of those things we are not getting at those root causes, and so since nineteen forty we've had hundreds of these new pathogens emerge whether it's Ebola in west Africa where it had never been seen before Zeka in. In the Americas were, it had never been seen before or this new corona virus and so this is this is a drip drip drip of new pathogens that are merging, and it's the underlying reasons, or because of the way we're interacting with the environment and with nature, these are things that are under control, so we need to start talking about it that way rather than. Casting ourselves it's sort of the passive victims of these foreign invading germs. People in many cases are you learning the words zoonotic disease for the first time the spillover, the jumping from animals to humans If you could explain that further just what you were talking about. So about sixty percent of the new pathogens that we've been seeing since nineteen forty originate in the bodies of animals about seventy percent of them in in the bodies of wild animals, those are not microbes. It caused disease in those creatures, so just like we have lots of microbes live in our bodies. They don't make us sick. You know we have you know things in guts and they don't make us sick. They actually are beneficial to us. So those microbes are living in animals bodies. When we come into novel intimate contact with those animals say for example if a bat. There's bad excreta around, and your kid is playing your tree and gets a little bit about on their hands, and put their puts their hand in their mouth, the microbes that live inside the bats body then enter the human body, if that happens again and again often enough, that micro will start to adapt to the human body, and like every other living thing when it finds a new territory to exploit, it starts to thrive starts to adapt and evolve to to to colonize that new environment and. And, so that's how these new pathogens are being born we are creating these bridges between wild between the bodies of wild animals and our own bodies, because we're destroying so much of the habitat that where they live in so instead of these animals living in far off places where they don't encounter us very much. We are cutting down the forest and paving over the wetlands where they would normally live in instead they're coming in living in our farms and gardens and backyard's instead with the climate. Prediction beating the climate crisis contributing to this. Yes we'll because of the climate crisis. We also have wild animals moving in all new all different places, right we have eighty percent of wild species are on the move right now moving into into the heights, and towards the Poles and so they are encountering new human populations as they move into new places, and those movements, of course, our life saving for them, but it just adds to these collisions between humans microbes in animals, and that is the process that brings us new diseases. So you shot before we end I wanted to get into what you think are some solutions for example explain the concept of one health. To one health is a concept in public health circles, and as a theoretical construct. It's gotten a lot of purchase. The idea is that human health is not just the absence of pathogens or the absence of certain kinds of sicknesses human is connected to the health of our livestock, the health of our wildlife and the health of our ecosystems, and so if we think of human health that way, then it's not just an issue for biomedical experts. It's not just an issue for drug companies to come up. Up with new medicines and new vaccines for us what we have to create good health is to make sure that our livestock are healthy to make sure that our wildlife is healthy and to make sure our ecosystems are healthy, so that's the idea of one health at an operationalized on a on a kind of a low level. There's a lot more we can do to make the one health appro, no more common, but it's starting, so it's there. Um and I think this is something that is. A promise as we move into this new era. Seeing a lot more of these emerging and You know in our headlines Today we covered the story of the U. K Canada and the United States. Saying that Russia is trying to hack. The vaccine research that's being done in different countries I was wondering and of course Russia is denying this if you can talk about vaccine nationalism. Instead of sharing knowledge to cure the world, countries are racing to be the first to make the sane, and then get a monopoly on it. We just spoke to Dr. Ali Khan who is a former CDC official and now dean of the. School University of Nebraska. And he just tweeted that. If all of this were open source, then you wouldn't have the time spent on these accusations. Absolutely I think that I think he's absolutely right. It needs to be a open source, and this goes back to the whole way. We think about diseases as a problem of foreign invasion. Really lends itself to these nationalistic kind of enterprises. Well, we need to come up with our own thing to our people with our weapon. Instead of but what we have already seen is the only thing that is helping in this last six months is international solidarity. It's the fact that we understand so much about the disease, because scientists in China and Europe and elsewhere have been sharing data with people with other scientists around the world. That's what is actually helping US understand. How does this thing spread from one person to another? How much how much pathogen do you need to have an infectious dose? Do Masks really work? Does hand washing really work all of these things we're learning because of international solidarity across borders, these international scientific collaborations which are really unheard of. Unprecedented amount of. Collaboration that's happening across borders right now, and that's what we need to support moving forward this whole idea a. Vaccine Search! That's funded through taxpayer dollars to a large extent and yet being capitalizing and creating creating proprietary products, instead is going in the absolute wrong direction. There's a front page piece in the New York Times today. Unproven firm got one point six billion dollars to find a cure for vaccine research. But this issue of where the money goes, and where the money could be better spent makes me think about Jonas Salk, who refused to? Make the pro polio vaccine. Let it be trademarked. He said it must be free to all. Yeah absolutely and I think the other part of it. Amy Is that we have put a lot of faith in stock into vaccine development, and I think you know I think if you look at the history of our viral threats are microbial threats has been very few that we've been able to control our even radic kate through vaccines. There's only been one that we've actually ever radical through a vaccine. And that was smallpox, and that was actually the smallpox vaccine was not based on a proprietary high-tech. high-tech process it was based on a folk remedy that had been developed for hundreds of years in Asia and Africa, so this idea that we can very rapidly produce this product and it's going to save us all I think is a little bit exaggerated. When you really consider the whole history of how vaccines have have been able to control contagious diseases, and almost all the big diseases, we've encountered in our history whether it's cholera, malaria, tuberculosis, etc, it's been behavior change that is has changed that has. Saved us from the Ben Housing Reform and Social Forum. Sanitary form clean water. All of those things hard wine, social changes that actually build us out of the contagious way of life. Sonia shy I wanNA. Thank you for being with us and end with the exact quote of Jonas Salk. He was asked by Ed Murrow. Who owns this? This patent? Soak replied well. The people I would say there is no patent. Could you patent the sun? He asked. Sonya Shah Science investigative journalist author of pandemic tracking contagion from Colorado be Ebola and beyond as well as the next great migration, the beauty and terror of life on the move. We'll link to your latest article published in the nation. It's headlined. It's time to tell a new story about corona virus. Our lives depend on it. When we come back the Center for Disease Control says on. How is people living? An encampment should be allowed to remain there which will help stop the spread of covid nineteen. We'll go to Philadelphia stay with us. More. That, I noticed. Have Mercy Aaron Allen Kane. This is democracy now. The quarantine report I made me Goodman as public health officials plead with people to follow guidance from the Centers for disease. Control and Prevention to stop the spread of the coronavirus. Many cities are going against these recommendations when it comes to working with people who are on housed CDC guideline state quote, if individual housing options are not available, allow people who are living unsheltered or an encampments to remain where they are. Are, unquote, despite this sweeps have been conducted in new. York Saint Louis Minneapolis deliver, and elsewhere for more. We go to Philadelphia where the mayor has postponed. The addiction of an encampment of allows people that was scheduled for this morning about right now. In fact, Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney said in a statement Thursday the camp quote cast an important light on the racial inequities in our society impact homelessness and said he's committed to taking steps to provide affordable housing. For more, we're going to go to one of those encampments of in House. People near the Benjamin Franklin Parkway! And Join Sterling Johnson and organizer with Black and Brown Workers Cooperative in Philadelphia spokesperson for Philadelphia. Action Sterling Johnson welcomed democracy now. Please describe for us where you are and what's happening at this encampment. So thank you. For having US right now we are at. Read between the city. Hall and Art Museum. it's called the Vo von Kohl memorial field, the James Setup Dina, encampment. We have taken this face of occupied this face. It is right in front of the Parktown Plaza. That's where people pay about five thousand a month to stay in. There is a very very. Open and clear occupation of land that is not meant for us. Talk about how it is that. The encampment of on House people manage to get the mayor not to raid and take down this encampment today. What kind of negotiations have been taking place? So. Upon. Setting up tents, they did contact me specifically. About negotiation, we had been in negotiations for a long period of time. We'd had eight demands. The first demand was to transfer. The vacant homes that the city of Philadelphia and the Housing Authority Philadelphia. Housing Authority own into a community land trusts. They refused to talk to us about those issues. They raise many other issues. That were important, but they refused to talk about those they then. We decided that we would walk out that we needed to have a one conversation that was about permanent housing. Upon doing that then they started to escalate into threaten us. Cut Our sanitation contracts. We then engage them again. And that is where we're at now. They've decided to the table with the May. The actual mayor and the actual housing authority CEO to have a real conversation about permanent low income housing. Last month, one of your fellow housing activists Jennifer Bennett and nounce they were helping in house. Families Occupy multiple homes in this clip from an interview with Unicorn Riot. She describes who owns the homes. So we're over here, right across the street from the forty five million dollar housing authority headquarters where we just broke at news and if you look over and. Begin, public? Housing? Authority owned properties are Housing Authority as I? Say earlier is processing applications from twenty ten has stopped applications in two thousand thirteen, but there are just baking properties. Who Three right here? There's two more. Down there at the end, all of these lattes are also owned by the Housing Authority. That's Jennifer Bench. Front of all these closed homes boarded poems. Sterling. Can you tell us? WHAT IS THE PHILADELPHIA Housing Authority? How many homes does it own? How many are empty? So the Housing Authority as the largest. Housing provider in the city of Philadelphia they have a weightless where nobody has moved. Well that has been closed since two thousand thirteen they are a group that has a history of Mathewson's has a history of corruption of using money for other. For other. For to make market rate housing, they have a history of properties. They have a history of taking black and Brown homeowners properties and giving them. dimes on their for their properties, for they have a history of also putting money into their headquarters, which is forty five billion dollars, and and not really focusing on the people that are around them. The Housing Authority has about five thousand vacant properties right now. We want to use them to creates. Actually Land Trust what they want to do. Is You auction them off to private developers every single year? So, they can. Act as a private rental company a real estate company. We have decided to occupy those homes. We don't believe that it's a crime to place a family with small children into a home, so they can sleep safely and soundly. Those aren't crimes. That's an act of love. You know it's. It's really important to see what the Housing Authority in Philadelphia and not only Philadelphia, but other other housing authority across the country have been doing to. Privatize, public property this is. Public property. So Sterling, I want to ask you about the resignation. This week of the Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney second-in-command managing. Brian Abernathy who face criticism for his handling of homeless services and policing. It's been reported investigators from a police counter terrorism unit. visited the home of a Philadelphia Man Jose DeMarco. WHO SENT FLOWER ARRANGEMENTS TO ABERNATHY? As part of a demonstration to call attention to the Cova death of a man living in a shelter and the city's affordable housing crisis talk about the resignation. And what this was all about? It's very important to to see the response to legitimate. Legitimate protests. Jose DEMARCO is an organizer for active Philadelphia. We are coalition of groups that. Talk to the of services and talk to him specifically about all the trouble that people are going to. Have staying at home due to Covid nineteen. They continued to increase the budget for the police. They continued to say that they were doing what they could for homeless services. We know that's not true when they cut the budget by twelve million. We have a call to defend the police and invest in housing. Invest in the people that are here invest. Don't take a federal money. That's supposed to people experiencing homelessness and give it to the police. That's very simple very simple as Sterling, Johnson talk about what's next. The Philadelphia Mayor says he plans to meet with the in campus organizers. Directly, next week, will you be there? What do you plan to tell him? You're standing in front of this tent encampment. It's not the only encampment to say the least and Philadelphia and will you also be able to meet with Kelvin Jeremiah CEO of the Housing Authority and we just have thirty seconds. Yes. They both said that they will meet. Kenny and Jeremiah have said that they will meet with us. We will tell them that this is not for us. You're not the beneficiaries of this. We have a deep deep love for everybody that is low and no income. We're not asking for affordable housing. Housing for no income, people for disabled people I'm a disabled person. We deserve every right to stay in this city and to live peacefully and sterling. How are you keeping safe? I see you've got a mask that you've pulled down just for this interview. How are folks staying safe in this last ten seconds? Yes. We have regular testing. We have hand washing. We have hand sanitizer little medic tents. We care about everybody in this community cares about each other in might shock people to know the CDC recommendation. Is that Peon House people not be moved from encampments like yours five seconds sterling. Of course, yes. Build Avi has rejected. That has told us that as one bands opinion. We have that on video sterling, Johnson I want to thank you for being with us. Organizer with Black and Brown Workers Cooperative in Philadelphia spokesperson for Philadelphia Housing, Action. That does it for our show. Wear a mask. Stay Safe and save lives I'm Amy Goodman. Thanks for joining us.

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Reports: Trump vows pardons for aides wo break law to build wall

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Reports: Trump vows pardons for aides wo break law to build wall

"Hello there everyone that made me more hidden in for our. We have a lot to get to tonight. Including multiple reports that donald trump is pushing staffers to disregard regulations and sees private lands to build his border wall while promising to pardon them if in fact they break the law former solicitor general neo caccia will be here on that and much more plus plus a new trump role would deport undocumented immigrants receiving lifesaving medical care. I have an exclusive guest on that and the impeachment caucus gets a little bigger tonight as another democrat announces that he is in favor of an impeachment inquiry. It is a busy night that just saw a twenty twenty democrat kirsten gillibrand drop drop out of the race but we start with the new explosive reports about trump's extraordinary effort to bypass procedures defy regulations and even break break laws as he tries to build his long promised border wall the washington post. I reporting trump has quote directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars worth of construction election contracts aggressively seized private land and disregard environmental rules telling them to quote take the land and then assuring worried aides quote. Don't don't worry. I will pardon you a white house. Official telling the post trump is joking when he makes these remarks but today the new york times matching the post's reporting leading the post also reporting that trump has told aides that failure to deliver on this promise of his two thousand sixteen campaign would be let down to his supporters and an embarrassing racing defeat and one thing is true. Not a single mile of new border wall has been built since trump took office even while trump publicly touted progress us on the wall. It has yet to happen. We're going to have the wall. We've already started building and we have a billion six. We started building. We started building our waltham so proud of that we started. We started and we have one point six billion and we've already started. We're building a wall. We're gonna show you a section and a lot of things things happening. Joining me. Now is danielle belton editor in chief of the root nicholas confiscatory political reporter for the new york times oliver director of campaigns at the center for american progress action fund great to have all of you with us danielle. Let me begin with you first of all. Is this a joking matter. I mean the president a a aides are coming out and dismissing this joking matter but when you look at the surface of what the president of the united states is apparently ordering his subordinates to do break the law sees the land get this done by any means necessary. I'm i would always make a joke to tell my staff to commit crimes. Yes that's hilarious joke. I it's terrible but let's see that's not good at all. This is an increasingly unserious president and increasingly serious time. It's extremely disturbing that someone who is supposed to help uphold the law be an example of the law enforce the law as president of the united states would make a goal. I don't think he was joking. I wanted to be honest but if he was joking. How is that appropriate. Clearly he just wants us all built just to appease his base which is disgusting. Give me your thoughts on this trump telling his aides to break the laws we we outlined there and then aids coming out trying to spin this as a joking matter. Well look the trump. Wall is a classic trump a project right. He's oversold. It is marketed the heck out of it but he hasn't actually built a yet and he can't find the money for it and so he's in a pinch. Everyone's watching what he'll do. I think when i hear him mm say i'm just joking. It sounds kind of joke. That isn't really joking. You met the joke seagram who actually do with the joke and then you can say i wasn't joking really go do it yeah with a lincoln and knocked his his history on pardons. It puts us in a place to not give them the benefit of the doubt that he is talking on this. He has always viewed a <hes> pardons as a purely political instrument. He's he's he's had him in the past and i'm not surprised if it happens again in the future juanita to that point <hes> given what nick just said how important this wall is has been to the president's entire campaign. I can't think of any other rally rally cry if you'll besides lock her up and build the wall that define and the trump presidency what is that risk for president trump in twenty twenty if he does not get this all started and constructed. I mean everything is at risk for trump if he does not get this wall. This is honestly the one campaign promise that he's really pushing for now and he's extremely desperate to deliver on it because what you have juxtaposed supposed to. This is an economy that is trending negatively. You have his trade war. That is exacerbating. The economic issues that americans are facing right now and so this is what he's leaning on so not only is this illegal but it reeks of desperation because he has nothing but a laundry list of broken promises and now with his back against the wall. He knows he has to do something to show voters. Show americans that he has delivered on any one of his bad promises. I want to play for you. Guys with senior trump campaign official. Mark ladder told ari on the be it just this summer watch. This mexico is paying a lot for our southern security and that i would call it a virtual wall. That's that's your closing argument. They're paying for virtual. They are paying for a virtual virtual wall not even sure what that means. Let me start with you danielle now. Is that a legitimate argument. Can you have what mark laudner was saying. They're a virtual wall. Mexico is paying for no except except there's no wall mexico's not paying for a be a virtual world. What is it. I mean everything about about this. Wall is preposterous that trump's out like the fact that they want to spend another seventy to one hundred and thirty three million that painted black because black absorbs heat but make the wall hot hot which would make it harder to climb what we build up moat to input sharks in it with lasers on their heads up their mouths. What are we talking about right now. It seems somewhat absurd but nick wh when you hear the administration come out and they know what's at risk because this was such a cornerstone of the president's <hes> political campaign in twenty sixteen mark lauder and others the president is i mean he's either lying about the fact that the has been constructed or he simply misstating the truth. Nothing has been built about it but then you go. You have mark laudner going on saying. This is a virtual wall. Well it striking about. It is the dissonance between the private panic. We have to get a bill bill and the public message. Their campaign is already saying promise. Thomas kept note the wall. Here's a clip right so i'm not sure what they're actually afraid of. He's obviously going to run on the promise. Being kept regardless of how many the new walls are built or or kind of miles or bill. I do think the virtual wall is a totally absurd argument weights referring to there obviously surveillance challenging -nology things but like a smart whitewater which is which is what democrats by the way what makes us also strange we had all. We still have a wall so he can't pain on claiming. I mean there wasn't a wall and now he's campaigning on building a wall that he hasn't built even though one is already actually there it just doesn't mind up a little bit how when you think about this juanita juanita for a moment that the republican party is the party or at least this president should be clear. This president is the one making the argument into seizing land from american landowners owners to build this wall that certainly not something that you would expect would be part of a republican platform but he wants to make. I mean it's incredulous. First foremost you have the president of the country saying like just commit a crime and then let's be real about how triggering that just sees the land language anguish is considering the just horrific treatment of native americans and tribal communities in our country so it just hearkens back to language and rhetoric that he he is driving home but repeating there is a wall is not a ridiculous ploy in this case because let's be real some trump voters will probably accept that there was something done here even though the sixty miles of wall that have been <hes> modified during the two and a half years of trump's presidency are just reinforcing existing being structures but he hasn't done anything not a single. Mom wall has been built here. Let me dig into that a little bit deeper the suggestion that trump is telling his aides that they should he's private land. It is the idea of eminent domain the government taking property from private landowners for a project and paying out some money in return trump's primary opponents hit him him for taking that approach in business in fact he famously tried to do it in atlantic city and lost to this woman who actually got to keep her home. He doesn't have that man. I think he has run. He's worried about himself. All right i want to bring in bill kristol conservative journalist journalist and former republican white house aide now director of the group defending democracy together bill good to have you on with us this evening first of all give me your response to trump telling aides to take the land look. I mean we should take this seriously. It's really about more than the wall. It's about more than lying about the politicians are entitled to lie. I mean they should be called on on it but this is ordering subordinates apparently to break the law or at least to consider breaking the law or to do things that might well be unlawful. I mean that is the definition of an impeachable events a superior officer orders subordinate officer to knowingly and consciously do something that's against the laws for me. This is about the rule of law much more than about the wall and the pardons of course makes makes it even worse if the president wants to put this to bed. Here's one thing you could do. He could say he's not going to pardon anyone. Who's worked worked in his white house to take that issue off the table. Say that publicly reassure people that we're not in a situation where he's ordering people to do something unlawful which again is if you look at richard nixon's impeachment articles. What are the articles section article two is. He knowingly ordered people to his subordinates to break the law so that's really what this is about and i. I think it's a mistake in a way to get distracted. You know the wall is silly. He's misleading people but how many miles that aren't all that but that's the way politics that's normal politics. He's president of the united states and he now seems to be using the combination of bullying his subordinates and promised pardons to do to get the u._s. Government to use government authority unlawful lawful acts so are you expecting at this point given what has transpired in terms of the news reports about this that you're going to see fellow colleagues of yours from the g._o._p. Stand up and draw a red line for the president about the pardons about breaking law about the imminent domain. What do you expect their reaction to be in. Should there be investigations into this account. I think it's perfectly legitimate intimate to look into their congressional committees. I don't expect much of the republicans but i hope the house really it under democratic leadership really looks closely into this and calls officials from the relevant the agencies and say as the president or did you directly or indirectly to break the law justify what you're doing here. When you're building this wall using eminent domain eminent domain something conservative. There's a lot of liberals don't like much either but there are ways to legally use eminent domain governments do it all the time. There are restrictions their procedures. You have to go through if he's shorts short cutting those procedures there's knowingly again violating existing rules regulations and laws. That's something to look into having said all that yeah. I don't have confidence that. The republican party in congress is gonna stand up. It's really really pathetic. I have seen that some of the challenges to trump and the republican primary joe walsh and bill weld have denounced this and said the whole the the core of our system works as the president has to faithfully see that the laws are faithfully executed. The list of investigations into this presidency continues danielle. Do you think it should be added on there that this president should be investigated for possibly telling his subordinates break. The law sees the land yes most definitely i mean the fact doc that he would even say this giving them vocation of his level of power because of who he is and the office that he holds sit there and make one of his aides are trying to pass off the joke about essentially ordering them to break the law and order to build a wall as part of his campaign. Promise is unconscious and to that point. One of the investigations is that we're talking about here. They continue to grow by the day but realistically speaking as saying the g._o._p. Is gonna probably be pretty silent on this yeah. Of course i think the they are falling in line behind trump and honestly taking scientists against anything. This president does throughout the twenty twenty the election. I'm not expecting anything from the g._o._p. But i do think it is a cup of congress to ask the question do a little digging here. Try to get to the truth. Yeah let me play you guys. A match up of some republicans publican's talking about eminent domain watch us eminent domain fancy term for politicians seizing private property to enrich the fat cats who bankroll them like trump these supports taking private property through eminent domain from small property owners and giving it to big corporations. I don't know if one conservative in america who supports that abuse of eminent domain what donald trump did was used him at domain to try to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip in atlantic city so nick when you look at that and this was all from the two thousand sixteen campaign you look at what the president is doing today the silence of the g._o._p. It is safe to say he is totally. We redefine the republican party not just on this issue but so many others he saw how powerful argument was in two thousand sixteen. It wasn't powerful at all right. Nobody cared in that primary. He won the election but look. I think what we see here. Over and over again is that people in his party will wait and try to wait as long as they can for the worst things actually come to fruition a lot of them are going to say look this is up and he said it hasn't actually happened yet and people will just wanna wait out the problem as long as they can so bill to that point in two thousand twenty if in fact president trump fails to build a single mile of new wall. How damaging will it be to him politically or is he just going to stand up there and lie about it to the cameras and say it's actually being built and people are just going to believe it. Yeah i think he can say it's being built or you can say that he's being stopped by nancy pelosi or the court sir the fake news media or anything like that actually that's what's so funny about this i mean. I don't know that there's much evidence that votes move one way or the other on how much of the wall is being. I'm bill. He's obsessed with it but again. It seems to me if i were a democrat but also the republicans challenging trump and if there were any republican elected officials who wanted to stand up for the principal rule of law. This is the moment to say hey look. We all have policy goals. We all have campaign. Promises presidents have that but you cannot order subordinates knowingly to violate the law yeah. I have a feeling that we're probably not going to hear a lot about it from other g._o._p. Members this week danielle belton nicholas conference story bill kristol. Thank you very much needed oliver. Please stay with. We're gonna talk to you again. In in just a little bit and breaking news democrats demanding an investigation into trump's coach to hold a world summit at his own florida resort. We'll have the details along with the former white house. Ethics lawyer under bush was blasting trump about that plus. A democratic senator is calling for a new low for the trump administration deporting deporting kids with cancer and cystic fibrosis and former acting solicitor general neo cocktail is here on trump's promise to pardon aides who do his dirty work work on indian in for ari melber. You're watching the beat on m._s._n._b._c. We're back with breaking news this out of the house judiciary committee announcing tonight that they will investigate donald trump's pushed to host next year's g seven summit at his own durant resort in florida saying quote wrote the president's personal financial interests are clearly shaping decisions about official u._s. government activities and calling it only the latest in a troubling pattern of corruption and self dealing by the president this just days after the president used the international stage to pitch his property durrell happens to be within miami. It's a city. It's a wonderful place to very very successful area florida <hes> it's very importantly only five minutes from the airport by the way my people looked at twelve sites all good but some were two hours from an airport somewhere. Four hours response was so far away but it's not about me. It's about getting the right location. The committee says that they will hold a hearing on this in september joining me. Now is richard a painter former chief white house ethics lawyer under president george w bush mr painter great to have you with us this evening first your reaction to the house judiciary committee's investigation well. It's about time <hes> they should be investigating all of the illegal unconstitutional emoluments profits and manifests that this president is receiving from foreign governments. He's been receiving them through the trump business empire ever since he <hes> became president in jaguar two thousand seventeen he's been in violation of the constitution and now he is so brazen that is going out and soliciting emoluments province of it's unconstitutional illegal you go from the other members of the g. Seven <hes> that after you actually walked out of the climate change discussions who has no real interest in anything goes on at the g seven other than then collecting unconstitutional monuments and prophets of benefits for his hotel he should be impeached for that so this investigation should have happened a long time ago and if if they do not proceed with impeachment is just gonna keep breaking the law we just heard that he's telling us aboard is to go out and break the law and building the wall and give pardon that in itself should lead to his impeachment is conviction and putting them in jail if he actually did that so it just going to go on and on if he isn't shut down by the house of representatives in an impeachment proceeding all right so the president tried to make his pitch for that proper saying it's close to an airport. You got beautiful bungalows. Everyone one can stay there but from the investigation standpoint from the committee's investigation standpoint. What are they going to be looking for in a case like this well. These are our government's. They're going to be paying for those bungalows lots of money so let's donald trump wants to copy everything. The mongol owes the golf the food the booze the entertainment whatever that is. Let's see what the cop every think he is. In violation of the constitution he is soliciting unconstitutional social illegal profits and benefits of mine so that right there is a serious violation would amount high crimes and misdemeanors that would justify impeachment alone never mind everything else he's done so this is a serious matter to investigate. He's also of course using the presidency to get other business even if it's not from foreign governments into his properties whether it's lobbyist for now we hear bill boras own attorney general of low thirty grand or something like that at the trump hotel hotel for a party well. That's also legal. You're not allowed to give any gift to yours. Superior said the federal government worth more than ten dollars dollars and i guarantee you the profit margin on that party but barwa throw it. The trump hotels lot more than ten dollars. That's not allowed you gotta attorney. General has no respect for the law how this goes on and on and on until he gets paged all right. Let me play you this sound bite from president trump at the g seven presser essentially saying he doesn't want to make any money off of this watch this in my opinion. I'm not gonna make any money. I don't want to make money. I don't care about making money. If i wanted to make money. I wouldn't worry about three billion to five billion. I think think it's just a great place to be your response to that. Mr painter was he copying everything. Invite everyone to come in for free if he's not he's making money on it is a moment says profits and benefits. It's unconstitutional. It's illegal to federal district. Courts have already interpreted the mimas clause to prohibit prophets and benefits of this nature going to the president of the united states. I know that there is some disagreement about who has standing to sue the president over this but it is illegal. It's cost social unless he wants to pay for. Everything and everybody just comes for free at his expense and that's not what he's saying. I was gonna say given all the g seven summits that have been held in the u._s. In the past with the same security considerations same logistics considerations. I've never heard an american president. Make the case for his own properties the way this president has would you say that what you have seen so far from this on this subject alone just the kevin durant resort is grounds for impeachment or at least part of the impeachment incredibly put part of the impeachment inquiry yes. He has not said that. He's going to be copying this. He is said that he wants wants to use his resort. That's a for profit resort. He knows that foreign governments would be paying for that so what is doing is he is soliciting illegal unconstitutional profits benefits from not only one or two foreign governments but the six largest leading a a free market economies in the world and he is asking them to pay him in order a host this meeting to pay him personally. It is illegal. It's unconstitutional. It could also amount to bribery. This is unacceptable. He should be impeached and removed from office. All right richard pedro was a pleasure. Thank you thank all right one more thing about trump's durell resort. We're learning new details about the conditions there the washington post reporting in two thousand fifteen health inspectors closed the main kitchen after they found twenty to thirty live small flying insects they found food in the buffet served a temperature temperatures more than twenty degrees to warm to warm live roaches were found near the dishwasher and behind the main stove after an earlier inspection where regulators found rodent rodent droppings but of course this is much bigger than any health code violations critics say this push to host the world summit his golf resort proves trump is using his office for personal gain. We just heard there from richard painter and now house democrats are investigating it new reports. Donald trump promised to dole out pardons to aides who broke the law alabama supreme court lawyer. Neal katyal is here on that next donald trump facing new allegations of abuse of power today with reports that he is preemptively offering aids pardons if they break the law the washington post first broke broke the story reporting that when aides warned that some of trump's demands to build a border while maybe illegal or unworkable he tells me to do it anyway saying don't worry. I'll partying you in meetings about the wall. Trump today denied the story but when the white house was priced about trump pushing aides to break the law the didn't actually deny it instead. They said he was just joking. We want to take a look at the legal and constitutional implications of this story and we have the perfect guest to do it here for the opening opening arguments series is former acting solicitor general neal cocktail who's argued dozens of cases before the supreme court. Neil great to have you with us this evening. I i want to get your thoughts on one is just kidding a legal excuse. Is that a plausible defense. That could hold up in court. No it's not too i. Let's just set the context here so before talking about the pardons think about what what this about this is about the wall. This is about donald trump in twenty sixteen campaigning on this insane mexico's gonna pay for it and then of course mexico exco didn't pay for it and then he tried to shut down the government for thirty five days to try and coerce congress to pay for it. They didn't pay for it and then he said well. I'm going to go ahead and do it anyway. This washington post stories about his about the do it. Anyway and his aides are saying hey you know you gotta have an appropriation from congress. You can't just take this property and without eminent domain restrictions and the like and he's just saying go ahead do it anyway and i'll party afterwards and the idea yeah that oh he's just joking around. I mean we don't have presidents who joke around about deeply unconstitutional things and you know it'd be one thing if it was a president who is known for scrupulous adherence to the rule of law but i think any day of the trump administration you see trump defying the law and so you know it's entirely believable that he wasn't just joking around that. This was actually a serious thing and i guess it's true on t._v. Shows like twenty four jack. Jack bauer gets a preemptive pardon from the president but in the american system that the real american system as opposed to the fictional one that never happens so to that point <hes> you know what kinds of legal issues does the does. This raise really if trump is pressuring aides to take actions that they think are illegal. I mean immediately comes to mind when you think gove somebody in the battlefield being told by commanding officer to do something their defense tends to be. I was told by my superior would that hold up in a situation like this well. I certainly think that you know the individual officers under the president who are carrying out his orders. I think it's very hard to say that they themselves should be personally personally liable for acting illegally but the president himself. I think does face consequences for this. I mean one obvious. One is the house of representatives. It's no the secret is considering impeachment of the president for abuse of power. There is no more textbook example of abuse of power than a president who says to his to his subordinates break the law just to help me and i'll give you a partner get out of jail free card afterward so i think that's the first thing and then there could be any number of legal. Go ramifications as well. There are already lawsuits to try and stop trump from building his wall on his own without authorization from congress and stories like yesterday saturday. I think we'll get fuel to that to those lawsuits and indeed may be the subject of live testimony in these cases and let me shift gears for a moment. Get your thoughts on something else. Trump has has talked about in specific immigration recently. That is the topic of birthright citizenship. Watch this. We're looking at that very seriously birthright citizenship where you have a baby on our land walk over the border have a baby congratulations babies babies now a u._s. citizen. We're looking at it very very seriously. We are looking at birthright citizenship very seriously. It's it's frankly ridiculous. Victims does the president neil have any right to do anything through executive action executive order on the topic of birthright citizenship kinship zero. None trump only talks about this when poll numbers are going down on me scared and then he resuscitate said he did last year. He's done in the last week back. Nobody any serious constitutional scholar thinks there's any ability to do this and it's because of a very simple thing the language of the fourteenth amendment right after after the civil war done precisely to overturn prior rules that said that you could you could deny citizenship to people if you're born in america. Oh you are a citizen that is the plain text of the constitution and it's striking to me that conservatives who claim fidelity to the plain text of the constitution ignore it here i mean it is as clear as day and i mean honestly my left shoe could walk into court. Bring that lawsuit against the executive order and win it requires literally literally no nothing except to just the words read the text of the fourteenth amendment read the supreme court case in eighteen ninety six karma k. mark all right so let me get your thoughts on one one last thing that is justice ruth bader ginsburg. She made her first public appearance this week since getting treated for cancer here's what a part of what she had to say. Watch it must beyond my wildest imagination that i would one day become the notorious your reaction to that neil that she is joking rb joking about being notorious. I mean look. There are some women in older. Women like my mom. One does ginsburg another who are toughest nails and nothing stops them. They take it and they keep on ticking and you know i read a bunch of stuff this weekend about justice ginsburg's cancer scare this i mean there's no one who's tougher and who's gonna be around. I mean who can fight eight this more than her so she has been one of the most momentous justices to ever serve on the court just from joining the court right away. She authored the b._m._i. Yeah my opinion which eliminated single-sex virginia military institute in so many other things that she has done and so i look forward to to seeing her on on the bench this fall and her giving me in all the other advocates a really hard time because she is fabulous at that. I think a lot of people would echo your sentiments. Neil cocktail always always a pleasure. Thank you very much of course you can go to m._s._n._b._c. Dot com slash opening arguments for videos of all of the beat segments with neil and his expert analysis a lot more to come including a new trump policy to deport undocumented migrants receiving lifesaving medical care. It's got some kids fearing for their lives. If they denied the program that i need to go back to my country and i believe because the good there is no treatment for i'm gonna talk to someone directly involved in this ongoing fight. Uh gut wrenching new report on the trump administration's immigration policy according to the boston in globes severally several severely ill immigrants. Excuse me including children with cancer and cystic fibrosis are now facing deportation as the trump administration ends an an obama era protection. Let's immigrants stay in the country while they or their relatives receive life saving treatment while it is not exactly clear how many people would be affected. Some advocates estimate it to be in the thousands. One mother who seven year old has epilepsy says they're facing deportation in the spring and and she says that she feels like i'm signing my son's death warned and the teacher and a teenager. Excuse me with cystic fibrosis also speaking out saying he fears he'll die live. He's deported denied the program that i need to go back to my country. I believe the because there's no treatment for doctors don't even woods who can help me or here. In the united states all right joining me now is ronny remillard. He is the executive director of the irish international immigration center which represents jonathan sanchez who you just heard from in that clip heartbreaking clip. I should say hey ronnie explain this to us into all of our viewers out there. What does this mean for your clients like jonathan sanchez good leaving <hes> just when we thought that the administration couldn't sink any lower depths they find a new way to torture immigrant children and families <hes> this <hes> ending this medical deferred action program is really cruel and unjust. <hes> families leased the sanchez family. <hes> are receiving letters to say that they have thirty three days to leave. The united states or the fierce deportation on many of these children are receiving treatment for cancer and for all their life threatening illnesses on they're actually receiving these letters in the hospitals also in the hospital bedrooms telling them that they have to leave the united states so it's just horrific. The families are devastated and <hes> on really traumatized by this. What can you tell us about jonathan's particular case. I mean how how is he holding up. Since he obviously came forward with his story and what is his current status right now oh well jonathan and his mom and dad are just so courageous and sort of <hes> for speaking art <hes> on this <hes> situation <hes> jonathan is just a tremendous young man who <hes> so brief <hes> he's been treated for cystic fibrosis on has anxiety the attacks <hes> you know the family or really sort of speaking about this because they <hes> they want to help other families want to see that this program can be restored again <hes> they did receive a letter to say that they need to to leave the country and thirty-three days so whether very traumatized about this on anxious texas <hes> we're really counseling. Are attorneys are really constantly coming alongside them. What is your plan of action now that they have received this letter. What are you attempting to to do to try to either. Stop this policy and more specifically. Try to keep jonathan <hes> in the country to receive his treatment well. There's been a tremendous response from the community. <hes> we're working with <hes> medical professionals community partners a._c._l._u. The american immigration lawyers association all came mm together as a community on monday to <hes> to talk about this. We're exploring all legal options with a._c._l._u. and we're going to really challenge challenge this on fight this. This is incredibly on just we're going to try to stop this deportation machine and fight this all the way ronnie runny. Stay with me for a second. I'd like to bring in one to tell her. She is from the center for american progress when you good to have you back with us i'd like to first get your reaction to this that we just heard there from ronnie about jonathan's case but also about this rule that is now in place. It's flat out disgusting at this point it falls in line with the inhumane inhumane and just depraved tactics that trump and his administration have leveraged against emigrant communities since day one and taking office from separating families from from putting kids in cages to not giving them soap and clean clothes now he's going after the most vulnerable segment of immigrant communities who come to the country and seek lifesaving medical care oftentimes not available elsewhere and it's just another sign of the depravity associated with the administration for what ah targeting the most vulnerable communities here these are children and families who need this care to survive and honestly the the mother who said it's like signing the death sentence for her child. This is a reality that they're facing and this is impacting this community in a tragically there is no doubt juanita that the trump administration is trying to make it harder for poor immigrants to become citizens. They want indefinite detention centers. They're denying flu vaccines in those detention centers. Why is this administration from your perspective so adamant about trying to make it hard for immigrants in in this country. It's another one of the disgusting promises that trump made he said i'm gonna crack down and he is targeting the most vulnerable segments agnes of the immigrant community to do just that and what's also ridiculous about all of this is these are families who have followed the rules. They have applied for the program. They have applied right for renewals and what's also come to light through the boston. Globe pace is that the trump administration stopped offering renewals on august seven and for them to now. I'll say that this program is not over there. Just pausing it is is a little incredulous. Oh they're doing this to appeal to his base and for him to be able to stand on the campaign nine stage and say look. I lowered the numbers of immigrants in this community but his activities are inhumane and ultimately depraved ronnie. You talked about the coalition organizations helping you. I'm curious to get your thoughts. If there are any on capitol hill who you are working with to try and stop or even reverse this whether or not senators here's or members of congress have come forward to try and help your organization and try to reverse this. Yes <hes> senator markey and senator warren have already spoken to fight this <hes> congresswoman i on a presley all there's the whole congressional delegation as his art rates to bite this on. We are working with <hes> the the delegation to to try to reverse this policy decisions so there's a tremendous support and they have been in <hes> contacted by other congressional offices across the country so there seems to be a real movement here to try to reverse this decision all right ronnie miller tall. Thank you both very much for joining us this hour ahead. The impeachment caucus grows with a new democrat announcing. He backs impeachment inquiry curry. David corn will be here on that tonight. The impeachment caucus growing again and democratic congressman bill foster announcing his support for an impeachment inquiry citing issues of obstruction outlined in the mullahs report that brings the number of house lawmakers backing lacking impeachment to one hundred and thirty five including fifty seven percent of the entire democratic caucus it comes amid a flurry of new trump controversies including pulling pulling millions from emergency management to fund his immigration agenda trump's attorney general planning eight thirty thousand dollars holiday party at trump property and trump reportedly promising pardons to aides who break the law to build his border wall. Nancy pelosi has criticized trump's plan to raid fema money and democrats say they plan to investigate investigate trump's idea of using his miami property for the g. seven summit but n._b._c.'s. I reading points out democrats. Don't seem to have a single overarching ching strategy to deal with these stories noting the lack of coordinated democratic response with me. Now is mother jones washington bureau chief david corn david good to have you with me. Let's talk a little bit about the impeachment damn so to speak is the dam breaking on impeachment as the number of democrats calling for an inquiry takes up every day the number you put it on the screen. They're one hundred thirty five democrats. Calling for impeachment is an important number. The more important number is is to eighteen which is a far distance from one thirty five. Whys to eighteen important. That's the number of votes. You need to impeach president president now. How many democrats are there in the house to thirty five so that means that nancy pelosi can only lose eighteen democrats and right now there are a couple dozen democrats more moderate or new democrats who come from trump districts where trump won one in two thousand sixteen who are not eager or who have said they don't want to a won't vote for impeachment so what's the worst scenario for nancy people ac- and the democrats perhaps bringing impeachment and not winning the vote because you don't have two hundred eighteen democrats so the numbers getting closer closer but there still is a ways to go which brings me if i can keep goiania who what you just raised and that is impeachment or no impeachment. There are a number of key issues that the democrats in the house where they control things should be having a high profile hearings. You don't have to call them impeachment hearings but you mentioned a few emoluments money flowing into the trump hotels from foreign sources. We still have trump's russian business connections. We have deutsche bank <hes> which has been in the news lately of two point one billion dollars loan to donald trump and we don't have a good explanation about his relationship with that bake we have the the trump inauguration committee. Millions of dollars unaccounted for foreign money coming into that as well. You have several cabinet members with dicey. See financial dealings including wilbur ross and you know what i what i read said this morning was correct is no overarching story or narrative tired of coming from yes so that i want to pick up on that point for just a moment here because as you outlined all these cases you would think that the democrats would have a clear strategy in terms of the communication mutation in terms of the investigations and all the probes. Do you get a sense in fact at that is what the democrats are doing or is it kind of an ad hoc committee by committee individual reaction at a time not a coordinated party wide strategy. My impression is the latter there and if there's anyone from from nancy pelosi's office or other people who wanna talk to me please do so my questioning of people on the hill has led me to believe that it's basically every committee for itself alf with the committees themselves going over some turf issues who get to do what and that there's no war room. There's no overarching strategy. What links all this together together corruption trump and corruption nepotism everything else that's going on and telling that story might be as important more important then rushing ahead with impeachment all right. David corn live in washington d._c. For us this evening. Thanks david. Hey yes it is time we will reconsider the obama ten suit. We talk a lot about scandals in washington but five years ago today this was treated like a scandal by many on the right president obama holding a press conference in a tan suit in fact. Here's a recap put together from now. This news one of the ugliest suits in the history of america. I think it was shocking. Report that horrible light tan suit an impeachable offense right there who talked him going into a tan suit. They're so desperate because of these low poll numbers they're willing to do anything. Serious businessman wears dark blue or black to important meetings. I think it's a sign to enemies that he's a wimp. This confirms he's there's no way any of us but the president did yesterday to walk out and they light to. He looks like he's on his way to a audio the hamptons it's a non show the series of herbs that you need a commander in chief the seriousness of purpose that you need from a president that was then fast fast forward five years. Donald trump has reportedly floated the idea of nuking hurricanes detaining migrant children indefinitely offering pardons to age who break the law and hosting hosting a world summit at his own resort and that's just in the last week alone but today we look back at the tan suit and how president obama responded joking about it at his final press conference as president. I was sorely tempted to wear a tan suit today for my last press governs but michelle who's fashion sense is a little better than mine tells me that's not appropriate in january all right the good old days all right that does does it for me. You can catch me every morning on morning joe. I look right here on m._s._n._b._c. at five a._m. Eastern hey it's chris hayes from m._s._n._b._c. Every day i come to the office and we make a television show and every day i think to myself there's so much more. I want to talk about and so this is our podcast. It's called. 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"Uh-huh. Difficu- this is democracy. Now when I was confronted with the images yesterday. I was appalled that they appeared on my page. But I believe then. And now that I am not either of the people in that photo calls are mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam to resign after a photo surfaced from his medical school yearbook page featuring a man wearing black face posing next to a man, wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit. We'll speak with Lamont bag be Virginia state delegate chair of the junior legislative black caucus and Reverend Kevin Chandler Virginia. State conference president of the end AA C P, then to Princeton, professor railing Barnes about the troubling history behind Ralf north black face clan photo. She's the author of the forthcoming book, Dr college when the americ-. Dream war. Black face a lot of Americans, especially white Americans feel that black faces and knock you ass- not harmful. But African Americans. This is a really important issue and protests erupt after more than sixteen hundred prisoners have Brooklyn New York federal detention center were forced to endure. Freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat. No light. No hot water for showers and no hot meals being in the dark when the weather is plummeting. And they were saying the inside it's according to accounts from people that were inside that it was like thirty degrees indoors. It was great Chuck Schumer, Kristen Jubran would've showed up or even has some kind of a presence here. But that's not the case. So. You know, things like this will continue to go on it. So people speak up about days of protests officials say electric is your stored, but many cells still lacked Keat, we'll speak with Brad. Lander city council member who went inside to speak with the fficials and prisoners all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I made me Goodman calls are mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor route north to resign after a photo surfaced from his medical school book medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man in a Ku Klux Klan outfit on Friday. North apologize for the photo in his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook but walked back his statements the following day in a news conference claiming neither of the men in the photo were him. Although he did admit to using black face to portray Michael Jackson at a dance. Contest on Saturday. Protesters gathered near the Virginia governor's mansion calling for north resignation. Space codified, the love debt created slavery. Put us in a brutal system that we're still struggling to get out from under today, we're here because history of Jim crow is obviously still alive and up into governor. North met with senior staff Sunday night to discuss possible next steps including resignation if the governor steps down Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax would fill the seat and become the only current African American governor in the United States will have more on the story after headlines. President Trump said Sunday sending you as -sition leader one Guido calling him a young and energetic, gentlemen and said the events unfolding in Venezuela. Our democracy in action the US said Saturday at sending humanitarian aid to Venezuela in response to a request from Guadagno who's proclaimed himself. President the arrival of USA will likely set up a test for the Venezuelan military, which will have to decide whether to allow supplies to enter Venezuela. The military's continued to support President Nicolas Maduro, however on Saturday air force general Francisco Janas as defected and pledged loyalty to Widodo meanwhile in. Ultimatum issued by Britain, France, Germany and Spain from Madurai toe to call new presidential elections expired Sunday in the capital dacas thousands participated in competing protests at a pro Madore protests. The president called on Melissa members to join the Venezuelan army on Saturday Madonna called for early elections in the national assembly once again warned against foreign military intervention. Step forward, abandoned, interventionism Yankee imperialism stop calling for war. Stop calling for Yankee military intervention of the country. Stop supporting coup that has already failed Canada is hosting a meeting of the Lima group today, Canada and the Lima group minus Mexico say they recognize opposition later one Guido as president during his CBS interviews Sunday. President Trump confirmed his plans to withdraw US troops from Syria after Senate Republicans last week rebuked move saying the Slavic state is still a threat in the region. Trump also said he wants to maintain a US military presence in Iraq to monitor Iran. I want to do is be able to watch. We have an unbelievable and expensive military base spilt in Iraq. It's perfectly situated for looking at all over different parts of the troubled Middle East when asked about the government funding Bill currently being negotiated before. February fifteenth headline Trump did not rule out shutting down the government. Again. If no satisfactory deal is made on Friday, Trump told reporters a good chance. He would call a national emergency to get around congress. Despite reports that Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell warned Trump, the move with split the Republican party and prompt resolution disapproving the emergency declaration. Meanwhile, the Pentagon confirmed Sunday at sending three thousand seven hundred fifty more troops to the US Mexico border for a period of ninety days and move announced by acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan last week in El Salvador Naib Kelly was elected president Sunday handily. Defeating his opponents from the two main parties that have dominated El Salvador's political scene for over a quarter a century Kelly who has been dubbed a social media stars of Palestinian heritage thirty seven year old former mayor of sunset door beat out candidates from the white ring nationals publican alliance and the left is far into Martine front for national liberation or FMLN Kelly joined the conservative grand alliance for national unity or Ghana after being expelled from the Fhimah Lennon two thousand seventeen ran on an anti corruption platform to US attorneys and two journalists who have been working with members of the Central American caravan in Mexico have been removed from Mexico after their passports were flagged, it's unknown where the orders to restrict their travel came from Norah Phillips and Erica Pineyro our attorneys with a low Tra LA though and migrant rights group that in two thousand seventeen lawsuit accusing customs and border protection of depriving asylum seekers access to the asylum. In a tweet. The American immigration lawyers association said it's urging congress to conduct a thorough and immediate investigation into their removal 's in Iraq, and or motorcyclist shocked at rocky novelist, Allah Massu in the city of Karbala on Saturday, the fifty year old author and poet was heading home when the shooting happened. According to police mushoo was an outspoken critic of foreign intervention in Iraq, radicalism and corruption Iraq's writers union blame the Iraqi government for failing to protect public intellectuals. No group has claimed responsibility for the murder. Amnesty International said on Friday. The group Boko haram killed at least sixty people last week in attack on the northeastern border town of ran in Nigeria. Witnesses told I'm gonna stay Nigerian military left the area the day before the attack leading to an exodus of residents who feared attacks by Boko haram. The UN says tens of thousands of Nigerians fled to neighboring Cameroon in January Boca. Haram attacked ran earlier in January killing fourteen people Russian president flooding. Putin responded to the US withdraw from the nineteen eighty-seven intermediate range nuclear forces treaty by saying Russia to is suspending its commitment to the landmark agreement. We will provide a mirror like response. The American partners have declared that they suspend the participation in the deal. We are suspending it as well. They have announced that they will engage in research and development programs. We will do the same peace prize recipient international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons tweeted Friday by pulling out of the f the US waves. The start flag for a new nuclear arms race in proves. There's no such thing as a responsible nuclear armed state. This is why we need to end all nuclear weapon states must join the nuclear van treaty. They tweeted at least sixty at least twenty nine children and babies have died on the way to a camp for displaced people in northeastern Syria since early December, according to the United Nations, the primary causes of the deaths are nourishment and hypothermia the UN said Friday at asked the US back Syrian democratic forces to provide a safe transit site for civilians fleeing violence. In the area. They said over twenty three thousand people of fled to the camp in the past two months. Vice media announced Friday, it's laying off ten percent of its staff or two hundred fifty employees and latest cut to newsrooms around the country, which is affected at least two thousand people since the start of the year. Also Friday reports emerged of cuts at McClatchy with the company reportedly offering buyouts to ten percent of its workers in late January BuzzFeed Heff, posting Gannett which owns over one thousand publications across the country. Also announced layoffs with around fourteen hundred people losing their jobs on Friday, Taiwanese electrics, manufacturer Foxconn, walk back reports it's recognizing a plan to build flat screen, TV panels at Wisconsin plant Terry that chairman of Foxconn said he spoke to President Trump and confirmed plans to go ahead with the construction the factory the comments contradicted, Thursdays report that said the facility will focus on research and development rather than manufacturing in two thousand seventeen Wisconsin governor. Scott Walker who was defeated in the midterm elections offered Foxconn three billion dollars in state and local tax credits, which has since balloon to four billion dollars while the tech giant promised to create thirteen thousand jobs twenty twenty democratic presidential hopeful Senator Elizabeth Warren apologized to the Cherokee nation for taking DNA tests to demonstrate her native American ancestry, a spokesperson for the Cherokee nation told the intercept Warren privately apologized to the nation last week Warren came under fire for the widely publicized release of the DNA test in October, which was accompanied by video claiming strong evidence of partial native American lineage and her family tree in response. Chuck Hoskin junior of the Cherokee nation said using DNA tests to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee nation or any travel nation, even vaguely an appropriate and wrong, unquote. Senator Warren who announced a New Year's Eve, she is setting up a presidential exploratory committee as expected to formally announce her run later this week. Hawaii Democratic Congress member Tulsi Gabbard officially launched her twenty twenty presidential run Saturday. I will bring this soul soldiers principles to the White House, restoring the values of dignity, honor and respect to the presidency and above all else. Love for our people and love for our country. Congressman Gabbard has supported progressive legislation including backing Medicare for all in a green new deal in two thousand sixteen. The Iraq war veteran quit as Democratic National Committee vice chair and threw her support behind Senator Bernie Sanders run for president. She says her candidacy will center on Warren peace, and we'll focus on the US's foreign wars, though, some on the left of criticized some of her foreign policy views, including her relationship with India's ruling far-right BJP party and prime minister Narendra Modi last month. Gabbard apologize for past derogatory statements about the OJ BT Q community and in New York. Protesters rallied throughout the weekend at the metropolitan. Tension center in Brooklyn. We're more than sixteen hundred prisoners were forced to endure freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat, no light. And no hot water about six thirty pm. Sunday officials said electricity was stored, but many cells still lack heat will have more on this story later in the broadcast, and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy. Now democracy now dot or the Warren peach report, I'm Amy Goodman calls or mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph north to resign after a photo surface from his medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit on Friday, north apologized for the photo in his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page. That photo and the racist and offensive attitude represents does not reflect that person. I am today or the way that I have conducted myself as soldier a doctor and a public servant. I'm deeply sorry. I cannot change the decision. I made nor can I undo the harm my behavior calls then and today, but I set responsibility for my past actions. And I'm ready to do the hard work of regaining your trust. However on Saturday governor north them, reverse course, enduring news conference claimed neither of the men in the race. This year book photo were him and initially thought north them also resisted growing calls for his resignation. This is them speaking at the news conference Saturday. It was offensive racist. And the spectacle. When my staff showed me the photo in question yesterday. I was seeing it for the first time I did not purchase the EVS yearbook. And I was unaware of what was all my page when I was confronted with the images yesterday. I was appalled that they appeared on my page. But I believe then. And now that I am not either of the people in that photo during that same news conference governor north and admitted to a separate instance of wearing black face. He admitted he darkened his face to imitate. Michael Jackson in nineteen Eighty-four dance. Contest. Meanwhile, a separate nineteen Eighty-one yearbook. From the Virginia Military institute has surfaced revealing north which known by the racist nickname Koon man as an undergraduate student there north has denied widespread use of the nickname, climbing tooled or boys cold in the name for reasons. He didn't understand the controversy is sparked public outrage in Kohl's across the aisle for north immediate resignation on Saturday democratic house speaker. Nancy Pelosi said north should step down. So for Jinya could heal and move forward. Nearly every declared democratic presidential contender in the twenty twenty race has also called for north to resign. As has the end AA CPI and the Virginia legislative black caucus on Sunday evening, north in reportedly convened, an impromptu senior staff meeting head of the Super Bowl to gauge support from staffers continued leadership Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax was reportedly not in attendance. Fairfax is next in line to become governor of of Virginia. If north them resigns when sworn into office last year. Fairfax reportedly had in his pocket, the document that emancipated his great great, great grandfather from slavery. If their facts were to become governor. He would be the only African American governor in the country for more. We're joined in Richmond Virginia. By Lamont bag chair of the Virginia legislative black caucus. We welcome you to democracy now. Thanks so much for joining us. Governor north them cold you on Friday is that right to have a meeting to decide what to do before. He changed his story on Saturday. Tell us what who he met with in that meeting and what he told you. Was a meeting that we both decided we needed to have in that meeting took tin ten of Virginia legislative black caucus colleagues. And we talked to the governor directly. It was it was a bit of an emotional conversation. We got a little bit more insight everything that the public in Virginia have heard the far he laid out on the table. We have returned to the capital and caucus Blackhawks in came to the conclusion that governor north connect continue as the top elected official income with gene, we return to the to the governor, and expressed that we thought it was in the best interest of the comma will. And I thought he agreed that it was in the best interest of the Commonwealth. And for an order fuss. Start the healing process. The he step aside and allow us to turn a corner. Can you describe your response to what happened on Saturday by then the Virginia legislative black caucus, which you lead? Had said he should resign. But then he holds this news conference. Yes. And we were beginning to hear the rumors about him net resenting, and I was attributing that to him getting his ducks in order preparing for his his transition. But then once we saw the press conference, I think all of us were disappointed in that price conference in the communications that came out from that press conference. I think the governor missed the Mark on that one. One of the few people who had come out kind of in support for north is former Virginia Democratic Congress member, Jim Moran. Speaking on ABC's this week. Miranda fended north record and said he should be given a chance to redeem himself has expanded Medicaid to hundreds of thousands of uninsured Virginians. A disproportionate number of whom are African Americans. He has promoted the career of his very talented, Lieutenant governor and every possible way he's invested in better pre-schools, and and public schools, and minority neighborhoods. So we know what he has done as governor. But even if the worst case scenario is true, George, I think there is an issue of redemption. Retention is a very powerful factor in what people are able to accomplish. Ralph understands the endemic racism that has. Has been part of Jinya society for so long. It was four hundred years ago to this year when the first African Americans were brought his slaves to point comfort that now if what Monroe and he understands that legacy better than many people are able to I think we ought to give him an opportunity. So that's congressman Jim Moran. Your response you to delegate Lamont bagging. You have been a longtime supporter of north them. While he's been governor. So as I did yesterday, right after Jim Moran may statement statements. I wanna make it very clear that Justin. Fairfax was promoted by Ralph Northam, Justin. Fairfax not Lieutenant governor because Ralph Novum selected him love Ralph. But just in. Fairfax is Lieutenant governor and has been successful Lieutenant governor because of Justin Fairfax, and can you tell us a little doubt who Justin Fairfax is remarkable moment when a sworn in as Lieutenant governor, and he's a has in his pocket. The emancipation papers of his great great. Great grandfather. Justify is prepared to leave. He's not perfect. He's a Duke blue devils fan, but just in Fairfax is prepared to lead. And I don't want to say that we're gonna throw Ralph out. Ralph Northam has an opportunity to still contribute to the Commonwealth of genius in some of the factors that he's already done. So he can he will. I would imagine go back to seeing patients he will have a voice in the comma, well particular as relates to reconciliation, redemption. And in race relations think he has he will have an opportunity to have allowed was I just don't believe he has opportunity to continue as. The highest ranking elected official in Commonwealth with all the history and the revelations. From friday. Last month for the second year in a row, Ken, Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax, sow doubt sat out a session of the Virginia Senate over which he presides as the body as the body honored confederate general Robert Lee, Fairfax tweeted history repeats itself, I will be stepping off the day today in protest of the Virginia. Senate honoring Robert Lee, I'll be thinking of this June fifth seventeen ninety eight menu mission document that freed my great great. Great grandfather, Simon Fairfax from slavery in Virginia hashtag we rise together. Fairfax had those emancipation papers in his pocket when he was sworn in talk about that scene. And what that was all about. Well, it Australia who the main just axes also wanna make sure that we make very clear Ralph north them just in Fairfax, the black caucus the house caucus, both as the Al have worked together to make to make sure that the most vulnerable of our citizens received the services and equity and adjusted that they deserve just for. At around one o'clock, I gave a floor speech that shared that the Virginia legislative black caucus as no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, only permanent interest. And over the time. We have worked with Ralph north the main just in Fairfax in inches of those most vulnerable individuals in every corner of the Commonwealth. And so we don't want to discount the work that either them have done, but just as as we say, no, permanent enemies, no permanent Frayn's only permanent inches that was challenged on Friday when we had these revelations, and we had to go to Adia frame, the governor of the Commonwealth graph north and actually him to step aside, the work. What is your understanding of the meeting last night, the emergency meeting that governor northbound call his staff? I'm going to be Frank with you. I decided I was going to take a break pair for your show your show and watch Super Bowl. And so after that I went to bed, and we prepared the caucus just after I come off with you, medifast my Jane legislative black caucus members are waiting for me. And then we will go into the democratic caucus house caucus meeting, and then we will go onto the floor. And this is the day before crossover for those individuals that are familiar with crossover in the state of Virginia with Virginia. This is a day where house bills go to the Senate and Senate bills go into the house one of the business days of ashen. And so we have to be mindful that we were sent here to do the work and then southwest to be recommitted to doing the work. Well, the not being thank you so much for being with us chair of the Virginia legislative black caucus. When we come back. We go. Durham North Carolina where we joined by Reverend Kevin Chandler, president of the Virginia state conference of the N W C P stay with us. To give you the. Sleet. Women. Never go back by birds of Chicago. This is democracy now democracy now or the Warren peach report, I mean, he could minutes we continue to look at calls for democratic Virginia. Governor north to resign after a photo surfaced on his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man wearing Ku Klux Klan outfit, north apologize for the photo Friday. But then walked back statement Saturday during a news conference claiming neither of the men in the photo were him though. He did admit to using black face to portray Michael Jackson at a dance contest in Durham, North Carolina. We're joined by Reverend Kevin Chandler, president of the Virginia state conference of the end up Lacey. Pe- the end early on came out for the resignation of governor of governor north on Friday. I of African American history month when the picture first emerged and when at the time. Reverend Chandler governor north them admitted the picture said this was a picture of him not clear which one it was the KKK guy or the guy in black face. But then the next day held a news conference where he said it wasn't him. Although he had a Warren black face before impersonating. Michael Jackson in dance. Contest Reverend Chandler. What are you calling for now? Virginia state conference in a CPI is calling in demanding for route north to step down as the governor Virginia. Talk about why want this to happen? Now in what you understand the governor will do he did hold a meeting last night with his staff weighing. Weighing? That he would step down as governor. Although he said the day before he wouldn't. Yes. So on Friday evening prior to the governor going on a national television to apologize. He gave me a call just as he's done before. And the governor was very apologetic. And what it taken place? He stated that that that day was the worst day of his career in office. And he wanted to reach out to me prior to him going on live television. And what did he say you, and what did you say to him? I told him I could understand where he felt that. This was the worst day, and I heard him, and I felt his apology was sincere genuine and so on Saturday morning when I heard of the press conference. Virginia state conference CPA executive committee was actually in session. We were having a quarterly meeting and we were expecting. The governor to resign at that time and later on finding out that that was not the case. And now he was denying that it was him. And so his his apology. In some ways was invalid when he called me on on Friday because his apology once again, as I said, it was once before I received a call from the governor any apologized of him just recently in Halloween, some three months ago dressing up as a former governor and slave owner. And so in him apologizing for that. And hearing him say that that he is a better man than back in nineteen eighty four. When the pictures were bear in his yearbook. I can't see where it is that he is changed. If he doesn't really have a connection with the hurt that all of the racism and someone dressing in black face is not accepted at anytime. And at twenty five years old, I'm sure that he should have known better even with a picture being beside someone in klu Klux Klan vere. Uniform is just unacceptable. I'd like to go back to north news conference on Saturday when he was asked about his high school nickname, quote, Kuna, man, my main nickname in high school, and in college was goods because when my voice was changed, and I would change an octave. There were two individuals as best I can relax at via. My they were a year ahead of me that called me Coon, man, I don't know their motives are intent I know who they are. But that was the extent of that. And it ended up in the yearbook, and I regret that Reverend Kevin Chandler your response. I understand him being regretful of that. But in saying that he doesn't know why they call them that also the have that being printed in material under his his picture. You know, I don't think I would have anything such as that. If I did not understand what it meant. So he doesn't know why he was called that he doesn't remember to the best of his ability the photograph, which is why he said if you could explain on Friday, he thought the photograph was of him not clear if the men in black face or the Ku Klux Klan regalia and the next day said, no, he's pretty sure it's not him though. He does remember this time of dancing is Michael Jackson, amazingly when someone asked him to do the moonwalk he looked like he was finding some space for it until his wife behind him said that's inappropriate. Yes. And I was so glad that he did not do that. Because again, he in some way does not connect with the hurt and the racism and how it affects citizens of Virginia. And so in him saying he does not see how this is a -fensive even in dressing up Michael Jackson and putting on a little bit of shoe polish. In black face black faces black face, and again, it should not be accepted condone at anytime. Finally, this is the four hundred anniversary Reverend Kevin Chandler of inflamed. Africans being I brought to Jamestown. Can you talk about the significance of this for Virginia? And what it would mean if the Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax becomes governor? The only black governor in the country. It is a time of Virginia getting past the hurtful history in which it it has. And when we via with this racism, whether it be Charlottesville, whether it be photos in the yearbook, whether it be. EMT worker in Patrick county. Ten not happen. And we as citizens in two thousand nineteen should be beyond this. This thing of racism, although Virginia has a history we cannot deny that history. But we don't need to continue to relive that. And so. Lieutenant governor just in Fairfax spoke volumes in where it was. He sat out he was there by himself and just seeing that picture of him sitting there by himself, the Virginia say conference as he becomes the governor. We can we will stand beside him in the efforts of moving Virginia forward and healing. And so the main focus should be healing. I think that Ralph north should also consider Virginians and step down step aside. And in the Lao Virginia to move forward and heal and as I heard delegate bag say there's a lot of work that has to be done. And with this hanging over Virginia. I think that it's continuing to hinder the process of the great work that needs to be refuses to step down, which she might by the time. Some people watch this broadcast or listen to it or read it, do you think the low Virginia legislature should impatient? I think that big if stated that that's the process in what they are planning to do. I do agree with that again because he has betrayed the trust of Virginians is betrayed the trust of so many on his side even the party in again. This is not a party issue. But he has to work with the Democratic Party has to work with the Republican party, and many have stated loudly that he should step aside. And so as a person, I think that he is able to redeem himself, but as the governor, I don't forsee him being able to the business of the leadership of Regina. We're having Kevin Chandler. Thanks so much for joining us from Durham, North Carolina. President of the Virginia state conference of the end of Lacey pe-, this is democracy. Now. I'm Amy Goodman is we turn. To discuss the history behind calls for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam to resign after the photo surfaced in nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page showing man wearing black face next to a man in Ku Klux Klan regalia north apologized for the photo Friday, then the next day at a news conference. He walked back. His statements and said neither of the men in the photo were him. The photo north is facing backlash for is not the only racist image in the yearbook the annual yearbook. Also features an image of white men in a wig dress and black face the photos, caption reads, baby love, whoever thought Diana Ross would make it to medical school on quote another photo in the medical school yearbook shows three men in black face. Well for more. We're joined in our New York studio by railing Barnes assistant, professor of American cultural history. Princeton University author of the forthcoming book, Dr college when the American dream were black face. She's just written a. Piece for the Washington Post headline that troubling history behind Ralf northbound's black face clan photo. Welcome to democracy now. Professor Barnes, describe your reaction. First day of black history month was Friday. That's the day. The photo appears. Talk about put that photo your sponsor governor north them whether he should resign. And then the history of the use of black face. Thank you for having me here this morning, aiming because I think it's really important that we talk about this longer history. Most Americans feel very uncomfortable when they see these photographs, but the aren't really able to articulate why they know that this is wrong somehow, but they don't understand the longer history. And ironically, this is a blowback from civil rights victory. What I mean by that is immature black face minstrel. See was the number one entertainment form throughout the nineteenth century and the twentieth century. Black face was used in schools. It was federalized by the US government. The works progress administration during the great depression during World War Two every American soldier was given a handbook about how to perform Stephen foster music, and it was really seen as a celebrate Ori forum to understand American culture. It was a way to articulate patriotism, but also obviously performed very grotesque representations of African Americans. So when I saw the photograph I wasn't initially surprised because millions of Americans were taught for most of the twentieth century that this was a positive thing. However that photograph was in nineteen Eighty-four, which was substantially after the civil rights movement. And one thing that I think it's really important to say during black history month is that we're focusing so much on the governor. But this story part of why it's shocking is because every day black mothers during the civil rights movement in the nineteen fifties. The nineteen sixties fought to shut down black face and said, this is unacceptable. They worked with the end of the Lacey pe- and said, we need to outlaw this that it's no longer in our schools, it's no longer in government spaces. And there was a lot of pushback to these black mothers, especially from the men in the civil rights movement. Who said we need to focus on voting rights. We need to focus on anti lynching, and these black mothers said, no, my son was lynched because of these stereotypes because of these grotesque representations that objectify African Americans. This is the thing. The thing the seat of the seed that allows racism to to thrive in America, and it needs to be stopped and they were successful. And so because of that success black bass has become so taboo that most Americans don't know the through line of how and why these stereotypes were transmitted to us. But we all know the song extol Susanna, and we know the joke. Why did the chicken cross the road and those are central to the history of black fakes fine. So Stephen foster was the number one. Composer really of the nineteenth century, and he wrote for the Virginia minstrels and a lot of the classic American songs that are in public domain cap town races. Oh suzanna. These songs are songs that we sing in pre-schools the background to a lot of cartoons Warner Brothers. But they're hyper violent if you look at the lyric. So Susannah is actually song about an African American slave who is separated from his family forcibly in the internal slave market desperately trying to get back to his family, and we think of it as this western song or a piece of classic Americana that every American should know, and that's really coming out of this idea in the mid twentieth century that black face was sort of the Pitney of American culture that every American to know, which is why people of a certain generation are quite confused by the backlash now by younger generations and also people who were racially conscious since the sixties after the civil rights movement because they were really taught to believe that. This was an accurate representation of African American life. When it's actually the opposite. Professor Barnes talk about the difference in reaction to black face of African Americans for many white Americans. Sure. So we've seen even recently. The Megan Kelly issue where she sort of said, I grew up with this, and it was positive, and I don't understand the issue and a lot of white Americans feel that way who came of age in a moment where this was seen as completely acceptable. What I mean by that for let me let me stop you for second because I have this clip and Tober former Fox News and NBC journalists Megan Kelly, sparking outrage when she defended white people using black faces part of Halloween, costumes. This is Meghan Kelly questioning why black faces considered racist during a discussion with an all white panel on her morning show. Megan Kelly today was racist. Because you do get in trouble. If you are a white person who puts on the or. Black person who puts on Whiteface Halloween. Like, I was a kid. That was okay. As long as you addressing character. There was a controversy on the real housewives of New York with Luan and she dresses, Diana Ross, and she made her skin look darker than it really is. And people said that that was racist. And I don't know I felt like kudos love Diana Ross. She wants to look Diana Ross for one day. And I don't know how that got racist on Halloween. Nagin Kelly later apologized for the comments amidst intense backlash included from NBC colleague at Roker, and she eventually which pushed out of NBC but expand on that, professor points. Yeah. So one thing I think it's really important understand is block as has been intimately linked to every major form of American culture. Which is why someone like Megan Kelly thinks that this is a knock you ass-. So for example, the first major film birth of a nation silent film, the first talkie, the jazz singer a black face film. The first cartoon was synchronized sounds deem boat Willie. Mickey Mouse, all of that is happening to Stephen foster songs and. Pretty pretty horrific references to minstrel. And so we see over and over and over again that advancements in American culture, and technology are linked to black face in a way that makes it celebrated and so by the time, you get to someone like Meghan Kelly. You might have somebody who's great grandparents grandparents, and parents were all raised to believe that this is an accurate representation of African American life and that by donating black face, you are appreciating someone she talked about Diana Ross. But what I want to say here is there is a massive difference between watching something and in consuming, it passably and physically painting your face learning how to walk stir typically speaking in dialect and imitating African Americans in a way that is very -fensive. My book titled archaeology is a reference to a common phrase that was used an amateur how to block face guides, which is Dirk is the act of learning. To represent African Americans in a way that is stereotypical comical. And it was always mean it always always meant as a way to demean African Americans. And I think we can't lose that the fact that these were comedy shows. And so these are things that were always intended to make fun of African Americans not honor them. I want to go back to governor rough Martha press conference he said he had a clear memory of not appearing in the yearbook picture and black face because well, he had put on black face on another occasion. When he was dressing. This Michael Jackson did not appear in this photo. I am not surprised, but it's appearance in the VM s yearbook in the place and time where I grew many actions that we rightfully recognize as horn today, we're coming place, my belief that I did not wear that costume or attend that party stems in part from my clear memory of other mistakes. I made in the same period of my life. That same year did participate in dance contest in San Antonio in which I darkened my face as part of a Michael Jackson costume. I look back now and regret that I did not understand the harmful legacy of an action. Like that it is because my memory of that episode is so vivid that I truly did not believe I'm into picture my yearbook. You remember these things head the shoes I had a glove, and I used us a little bit of shoe polish to put under my all, my cheeks, and the reason I used a very little bit is because I don't know if anybody's ever tried that, but you cannot get shoe polish off. But but it was a it was a dance contest. I had always like Michael Jackson. I actually won the contest because I had learned how to do the moon wall. So that's governor north them ever porter. Then asked ten if he could do the moonwalk. Yes. That's right. Appropriate. My wife says inappropriate circumstances. So he looked around to see fear were space for him to do the moonwalk. But then his wife the first lady Virginia suggested he shouldn't Ray Lynn Barnes. Yeah. So obviously, this was pretty disgusting. He clearly has not learned the depth of the racism that he actually is embodying when he does these these forms. But I think it's important to say while this news conference was going on. I had hundreds literally hundreds of Americans who wrote to me on my Email account at Princeton University who are saying I feel so ashamed that I feel so guilty because when I was a child I had to put I had to participate in a block basements ratio when I was in elementary school, or when I was in junior high or my mother did this my grandfather did this, and I found the photos when I was cleaning out my attic, and I've cataloged over ten thousand black face plays that were circulated throughout the twentieth century for everyday Americans. And so I have sort of two messages, the first is to everyday Americans, you can grow, and you can learn from this moment, and if you are required to do these in school sort of just the height of white supremacy. And it shows you how systemic this was, but it's different for the governor. The governor represents the people of Virginia. There are twenty percent. Of the Virginia population who are African American and every American deserves to believe that their leader can look at them and feel their empathy fit empathetic about their life. They want to see themselves in their leaders. You want to believe that if there's a natural disaster or a catastrophe in your impacted that your governor is going to see you as a human being. But because black faces about ridicule and humiliation then to Boise to call it a thing apart it makes African-Americans thing apart from American civilization. And that's really why the governor should resign. And if he doesn't I grew up in the state of California, we had a recall election, the people over Jinya have the power they are the people they should stand up. And if they want him gone, they should work to do that Ryland Barnes wanna thank you for being with us assistant, professor of American cultural history, Princeton University, author of the forthcoming book dark college when the American dream wore black face and. We'll linked to your piece in the Washington Post. The troubling history behind Ralph Northam black face clan photo says democracy now when we come back well for people who experience the polar vortex. You know, how cold it was imagine being imprisoned and the jail, you're in has no electricity or heat well prisoners in Brooklyn, New York didn't have to imagine that they experienced it. Stay with us. Love at the gate Reverend belly in the stop shopping choir. This is democracy now. I'm Amy Goodman. We end today show here in New York. We're more than sixteen hundred prisoners at a Brooklyn federal detention center were forced to endure. Freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat. No, light, no water for showers. No hot meals. Demonstrators rallied throughout the weekend to protest the conditions at metropolitan detention center, which is run by the bureau of prisons. He issues at the facility have been ongoing officials said the electricity problem was caused in part by a fire the previous week, and that the jail had switched over to emergency power legal aid society said it wrote to the jail's warden as early as January twenty second to demand be restored before temperatures arrive that were quote dangerous to human life. As the news of the condition. Spread. Crowds of protesters gathered outside the prison known as MDC prisoners communicated with them by banging on the jail windows on Sunday afternoon. Some of the protesters, including family. Members of those incarcerated where pepper sprayed by guards democracy. Now is there and spoke to family members activists including women's March co-chair, Linda Sarsour. That we were here for you. The back of his organizers and family members have actually been out here since yesterday many of us left overnight year on the ground here in front of MDC. We have been figuring out communication system that works really well with the incarcerated brothers that are inside we ask them questions. And they answer by banging on the windows. And it's been in unison literally like, yes. Yes. Everybody's yes. If it's no, no. And the fact that they're not in the same cells to go then can answer questions makes us believe that what they are telling us is to be true. We just watched some incarcerated folks actually recognize their families voices and started talking to us to a different area of here. We have videos of people talking to their moms. I hear you mom. I see you mom. It was really heartbreaking to watch people to talk to their family members were not wearing shirts. And we don't have heat inside one of the mothers went to confirm that that was her son who was talking to her and there without a shirt, she went inside with some folks next thing, you know, the CEO's started beating people up and throw. When people on the floor, pepper, spraying, the mom and all the people the media. They were picked up cameras and then throwing them out. People falling down the stairs. It was really horrible to watch it happen. And all the mom wanted to do is go into confirm if that was her son's speaking to her from this other designated area that we don't even know what this area is. He was climbing up on the the window. It's horrible the ward and has been not responsive yesterday. The mayor's office delivered trucks of blankets for everyone generators, and they lawyers from federal defenders one inside. To see their clients and ask them. Did. You get blankets. Nobleman gets. None of these people have gotten blankets. Yesterday told us that six o'clock is when they got their first meal of the day. They're not getting hot meals. They don't have hot water. I mean, this is inhumane. It's cruel. There are people in there who have asthma who are not able to use realize people who have sleep apnea machines who are not able to have those apnea machines during the night, which means that they are at high risk of stroke. There are people with diabetes at are in their older folks in there people who need medication who have not had any access to medical care. I mean, this is outrageous and the issues the families, you don't even know if you family members allied station here. Was it in New York City councilmember Jimani Williams regard urgency of any? Things happen emergencies happen, but you have a. They had. No. And didn't see the kid. We have what's going? He puffy regulated the war that the contractor and went home. What are you talking about getting another contract and get fixed? Would not see the blankets and the generator. The office of imagine the city was not accepting. No excuse he said we getting maybe we will now because it wasn't emergency. It wasn't emergency on Sunday when it happened. What? What's happening? The microcosm of this country. Man in the why? The people continued to all. Don't even know what it kids separated from the core. Melania too. That's why they lost the majority of people here on Monday. Even the one that the poor communities. So they don't care, but we are we gonna stay. Dissolve. Name's elizabeth. I'm here for my brother Jason who has been here at MDC for the past five years this condition with the heat is not new it happened last year. But fortunately for Jason he has family that sends him money. He can buy what he needs to layer up and have blankets and food and resources, I'm here because one I want my brother to know, I love him too. I do not want this problem to keep going on God forbid, if the temperatures plummet again, really worried about his health we contacted his attorney demanded that he find out what's going on. You know, this has been an ongoing issue that the power went out last year for like three or four days and that the heat went out three or four days last year, you know, so and it's discussing Nydia Velazquez came out. She was saying that they were wet mattresses from leaks in the ceiling and crumbling conditions in ceilings and things like that. It's just it's disgusting. And we can only imagine the vermin and the rodents and everything else, you know. So again, you know. Is discussing. But you know, this has restored my faith and humanity is really made me very proud to be New Yorker, no one wants to see any human being suffer, especially knowing what we know about sentencing extreme sentences, and and mistreatment of people, you know, as some so many people here haven't even really been convicted of anything not that that makes a difference. But they're just waiting because they're poor and they can't afford Bill. So it's unfortunate. But it is what it is. So, thankfully, nobody showed up them voices from the protest outside MDC metro detention center special. Thanks to Tamera Astra do and areo boon for that report around six thirty pm Sunday officials said electricity restored, but many cells still lack heat as protesters gathered outside many lawmakers toward the metropolitan detention center, one of them who is standing next to Johnny Williams. This city councilman who is speaking outside was Brad Lander in New York City council member he's with us. Now, we have very little time has electric been restored. Restored last night at six thirty about one full week still reporting they're freezing it's cold in that facility. It's going to take more changes to make it could there have been no plan with this polar vortex this week with people freezing sign for an emergency provisions when the power went off a week ago last Sunday, they did not act with any urgency that could had an emergency plan. If there been around the clock contractor in their power could have been back on Tuesdays federal prison mayor to Blasio's sent in hundreds of blankets. They didn't distribute them. There was just from the staff from the prison officials from the facilities manager no sense of urgency. No sense that there were human beings in those who had the right to talk to their families who needed light eating in the dark. They're they're they're toilets in their cells. They were in other couldn't shower for forty eight hours. Federal Bureau prisons Federal Bureau prisons now Jerry Nadler's has to dish eight. There was. Cami on Saturday and Sunday. And he says he is going to have hearings. Member Brad Lander. Thanks so much. I make good Goodman. Thanks for joining us.

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Immigration Lawyer Marko Maglich, What If You Cant Afford Therapy and Healthy Relationships

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Immigration Lawyer Marko Maglich, What If You Cant Afford Therapy and Healthy Relationships

"Yes okay I'm out Raskin. I may writer director and arm shaver. Hi I'm Gabby done John and I'm a writer by CON Bisexual. I got an extra have her. How's that going in this wintertime? Not Good Yeah are you. Taking short cool showers. Is that what you've heard about exit my mom has it. She says she's not supposed to take showers. Yeah but I love odd shower shower. I couldn't do it. Yeah what am I I mean what am I supposed to do. Does it have a prescription medication. No it's just dry and like Yeah ever prescription medication. And then I went out on a limb to try to new face wash. That's a mistake. What kind or should we not saying? Yeah no no no but yeah I like not even that. That's a bad face wash. It's just the thing of like if you change your skin routine even one second in your face decides to throw mutiny got it but you I mean you don't do what do you do so I have a face wash. Okay Sweetie well I use in the shower and then at night I use a makeup remover. Wipe yes see that's privilege. It's it's all genetics when people are like how did why is your skin like that. I'm like I'm lucky. Yeah there's not I can't promote any sort of skin care because it's just genetics. Here's the thing. Well I'M GONNA choose to believe it makes me relatable. Yeah that's just part of me being like you know a human on this earth like I'm just like you celebrities. They're just like us. You know what I mean I get a lot of rashes wear When I was in Mexico I got some rashes on my four arms What it's unclear? We're not sure sunscreen. No I second. We thought Papaya but then thank God. It wasn't that they you're allergic to Papaya And you're finding out now. I love it. So much at age thirty-one sorry Very red often. Yeah my chest gets very red. Yeah yeah but it's temporary. So who am I to complain. No I mean I just want to listen to try to be relief. I know listen acne averages out there I'm with you I'm here eggs Mahathir's hello lucky for us with our little dry patches. You know what I mean it. Just it just makes us humble just keeps us from being a he because otherwise I'd be perfect. Variety show filled with heartfelt advice. I want to say that I'm also. You're you're even if you do. I don't WanNa make it seem like you don't have. You're not perfect okay. Sorry I'm perfect just the way. I am ridiculous game and brutal honesty. We've got a great episode for you this this week. WE'RE GONNA be talking to Immigration Lawyer Marco who my dad set us up with we're GONNA be talking about visas. Green cards people seeking asylum in the. US is the immigration system working Hot Topic. You're not impressed that my dad hooked us up with though that your dad knows a bunch of lawyers. Yeah I've been wanting an immigration lawyer for a long time and Ken Raskin really pulled through on this one and later later we'll be discussing. What defines a healthy relationship? And how can it be different for different people. Oh boy but I heard US Julia. London international and I shall read the British accent. Oh here we go. What else can I do to help my mental health? When I can't afford therapy so I had issues with that one? Can you read the question. which is not protocol? I'm sorry and also a very very bad and Julia wants to know it's actually very serious. Question Okay what. What else can I do to help my mental health when I can't afford therapy huge and so basically she's in the UK so they have free on demand healthcare but unfortunately they ridiculously over oversubscribed and the waiting lists are longer than you can imagine? She says that She went to a GP and she got put on anti-depressants so that's good and she tried to see a therapist. I was told that the union overstretch for mental health support. They can offer me five sessions of CBT but that's pretty much it before going back on a waiting list. I feel like diamond crisis and I need help now but I can't afford to go private for therapy at all. I joined a gym because I know a lot of people feel better. If they're working out I really just don't WanNa feel like this anymore and I don't know what else should be doing. Have you guys found anything that helps you. What would you do if you couldn't have access to therapy? Well I've said this before that literally the only thing that I've done with any money that I've made it is pay off my debts and then go to therapy. You have some cool sneakers. I've gotten some cool sneakers but mostly all of it has gone to like trauma therapy psychiatrist kyw interest therapist. You know what I mean. It's all gone towards mental health stuff. How is that helpful with her expensive? I'm just saying that it's expensive and it's a privilege coverage to go to therapy like I'm up. I have money. That's a privilege. Yeah I mean it shouldn't be. It should be something that's accessible to everyone and not with a ridiculous weightless no totally so in terms of actual tangible things that you can do for me. I've always found a lot of help and understanding why I'm thinking taking the way that I think and why I'm behaving the way that I do. And whenever I can label my behaviorist either related to anxiety or CD than it really helps me because then I don't listen. Listen to those feelings as much so I would honestly recommend like doing some research into whatever disorder. You're struggling with I don't know exactly but let's say that you're dealing with anxiety because that is very common very common so I would kind of like do some research into brings ID. I'd I'd look up what it looks like for other people. I would really does like youtube videos about other people dealing with it so you don't feel alone and I mean talking to us is is a great idea and in terms of CBT which is cognitive behavioral therapy. That is very focused on how powerful your thoughts are and how if you change your thoughts then you can change your feelings and change your behavior so I actually think that this is something that you can do for yourself for many years. I've therapies myself Which A- term armide love to coin one day so a therapist self alison out soon so basically? So let's say like again. I'm making making assumptions saying it's anxiety but let's say that you're feeling anxious right and your heart is racing and you're feeling uncomfortable. I interviewed a therapist. WHO also happens to be my mom's best friend love to keep it in the family and she was talking about this method that she does where she asks the person to locate where they're feeling the anxiety in their body? So let's say for me. I haven't feel anxiety and my chest right so I would put my hand on my chest and I would feel that it's coming in my chest and then I would center myself and I would put my feet on the floor. You know like really sit up straight. Have my feet on the floor and acknowledged that my is happening in my chest and then I would say I'd kind talk to it. I would say like what like what's up. Why why are you feeling this way And so if it's like feeling this way because because because has been hasn't back then you're like okay so this is just my exciting right. No actual issues here. I'm just having like a physical reaction and you can say okay. Understand that you're feeling this way I acknowledge that but you're safe. You're able to cope. We will get through do this. You're not endanger your body thinks that you're endanger my. You're not actually because that's what is. Yeah with depression to you. You have to convince yourself alf like for me I I you convince yourself that. There's no hope there's nothing right. Nothing's worth it blah blah. And that's the same thing it's like your brain working against you. You have to just like sit and be like no. Oh this is not what's happening. Your brain is tricking you. You know what I mean. Or if you're making a lot of assumptions about what's going to happen in the future you have to remember that you have no idea what's going GonNa Happen in the future. You have no control over what's going to happen in the future and just trying to guess and assuming the worst is just harmful for everybody involved I would keep a journal like right down. You know what you're feeling on certain days so you can notice patterns so you can see if there are certain things that trigger us you can see like you know. Sometimes I think think Oh. I've never had a good day. But then you look at your journal and you're like no two weeks ago or like last week. I had a great day. It's just trying to put your brain back in reality and this might sound silly but make sure that you're well fed. Yeah like it's actually a really big part of it My mood is very dependent dependent on whether or not I'm fed and also make sure that you're getting protein. I think if you I would take care of your body as much as you're taking care of your mind so really try to try to eat As well as you can and You're going to the gym. Try to go to bed early. Yes sleepy eating working out. Those are all great things and then it's also just like acknowledging that that the disorder is like a part of you that you can talk to. Yeah and that you can actually have a conversation with if you are in crisis and I've never talked about this. Yes but I've called a suicide hotline. So if you are in crisis you can call a suicide hotline. You can also text suicide hotline so if you have social society which doesn't allow you to be on the phone or you're not sure you could get the words out or whatever They have services where you can text. Sometimes you would think like well well. It's not a it's not a media I don't know I'm not worth calling or whatever but my take on. It was like if I was even thinking about harming myself I was even thinking about it. let's just call. Let's just get someone else to talk. You know 'cause you you talk to yourself and you spiral yourself like get someone else on the line who's like. Hey man this is not what's happening. This is not as bad you know just externalizing it and talking to someone else can be can be really helpful. And I don't know what your situation is but if you have a good relationship with your family and you have some good friends it's okay to say. Hey I need some extra support right now. You know. It's okay to say like wow. I'm really struggling. Like I honestly honestly like I just need to have a night where you come over and hang out with me or I just like if you could check on me every couple of days. That would be great. It's just talked to them. Yeah talk to them and and I mean I think sometimes you can spiral out through talking. Yeah you can't use and you can't use their advices like bond because they're just another person with no no training right so but I think just having. I think that like honestly hugging people helps holding hands helped things like honestly like physical comforts like like. Let's say that you have a relationship with your mom like her getting you. A Cup of tea could really help London Baby. Oh Yeah I was GONNA say t even if you're in America but I bet it will be even more more helpful in London. Yeah people have t there's also you know APPs for their me. I haven't used them but you know the other people really like them. So there's APPs for therapy where you can just have a therapist that you talk to via an APP that could do it immediately for waiters is also like mindfulness APPs. So you're not talking meditation. Your they're giving you some coping skills for sure honestly just like do not the spare I think that while it's unfortunate you're not able to get the therapy that you want and need. I think that you can kind of like macgyver yeah put a band aid on like macgyver. Some skills and Co and learned some coping skills and also know that You're more resilient than you think in that if this is something you want to tackle them and you will tackle it and you will get better. Yeah you're already doing half the work. which is knowing what to do and trying to tackle it and asking for help also I can recommend a meditation. Tation sir. thing on spotify called the honest guys who are great and so Check them out. They helped me a lot. Just remember to be kind to yourself herself which is how we love to end every segment. I know right. We should just say the theme of this show is to be kind to yourself unless you've made a new seat. They kind to yourself. 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It's time for the juiciest most scandalous controversial segment known to olive podcasting. Tough question today. Our guest ask immigration lawyer Marco. Magli thank you for coming. You're most welcome the floor we get into the real stuff. How working with my dad? Oh yeah it was fantastic. He was a great teacher. I remember he used to force us to sit around one that we can have lunch and prepare pair something that had come out recently and of course you know we were terrified now to talk about at lunch but everybody got free lunch out of it and I've tried to borrow. Oh things from him where I can because when I wrote to his firm they send me to him they say go to Ken Raskin's for six months 'cause he will actually teach you. Oh Aw. That's so lovely. I'm so honored to be his daughter. Oh my gosh well so we wanted to talk to you. We wanted to have an immigration lawyer on on for a while. So can you tell our audience a bit about what you do. Yeah so I am an immigration and you know the the coolest business immigration lawyers which means we basically work on the immigration world. If you're going to immigrate here they're kind of two columns of ways you get here. One is by family ties. And one is by your employment and I work on that employment stuff so I do work for a bunch of different corporations big ones one or small companies or startups or people themselves who have the ability to sponsor themselves. Because they're either you know they're a big deal or are there entrepeneurship starting something but everything that has to do with employment and and that can mean a bunch of things You know I did calls from companies all day long. I WanNa hire this person. I want to bring this person over or please help. I'm concerned that not not complying with those laws. You know when you get a job and you have to go in and When you start a new job you have to fill out that little form where you prove of what your identity is and lies to work and most of us just hand over our passports? If we're American citizens and well those little forms generate a whole a lot of fines so the government who loves to go out and check on companies to see if they're doing those forms right and because they know you need one or two people to do it basically you know. Bring a spreadsheet and tally up a bunch of fines because they find you put something in the wrong box or something like that and can You know collect a lot of money without a lot of work to do that. That's right it sounds like a really boring paper pushing kind of job. I'm filling out applications applications and writing about why this person or that person is qualified to get a visa for like extraordinary ability because they're specialized in a certain something that you know. It's very hard to find stuff like that sounds boring. It's actually at least to me. Pretty pretty fascinating and especially now. Because we're kind of on war-footing everything is being pushed back at. Because if the goal here is to from the government side is really to reduce numbers and and so it just means I have a lot. Fourteen hour. Days is what it means. Yeah Kim's so you were talking about the ways in which the government is trying to limit immigration now and and that's in the news a lot so can you talk a bit about that. Yeah like how has it changed since since trump has taken office. Okay so what they've done is interpret existing rules that are there. There's a heck of a lot more harshly and just make it kind of find ways to make it a lot a lot more expensive and to make these employers have to jump through a lot more hoops pay us for a lot. More time. Spent whatever things that would you know oh to to clearly kind of discourage You know just discourage System that's right it just becomes. He comes too expensive right so In some cases they've done that with no rules but mostly it's just by interpreting rules In a new way they've they started right off by saying you know within a few months of of of coming into office A memo was put out for this. This part of okay. It's all like instant sound like bureaucratic. Maze Hell this part of Department of Homeland Security called Citizenship Citizenship and immigration services. And they're the ones we go to apply for all these benefits the H. One B. Visas you've heard about all these other alphabet letters t. he and e. l.. You may not have heard about them. But they're there and they all have their own requirements and you have people who've been here for a while and they're extending for example but they sent out a mental that said it does not matter what any administration before us did. It does not matter so you might be looking at just an extension for another three years of somebody who's already been here for three years on one kind of visa and seven years of schooling before that you know and you know there's been here for more than a decade or whatever we think they were all softies so you have to look at this though you've never seen it before and apply much higher standards and you know push back wherever you want to push back so what it's meant is everything is send in first of all you get these wildly different results because it's really vague. The guidance from the government is vague. It's really honestly Outside the rules they make stuff up all the time. Yeah I mean I they I send in a petition I stay. Say they come back and how to explain it. It's it's turned the relationship in two very different one between us and the government. It's this contentious thing now so we send them something day right back and it's like they're trying to get away with something they say well you sent ABMC and and that didn't prove anything and then you have to come back at them and go. Well I think you missed A. D. F. G. H. I. N. J. which I also included Th that kind of stuff didn't really go on before and you have to point it out. It's sort of like they're they're bullying and you have to believe back. Have you seen more success. From people from certain countries versus other countries. That's interesting. It's it's indirect They sent out around the same time. Another memo. That said be particularly tough essentially on the computer programmer programmer and computer types of jobs. A lot of those jobs are held by people from you know India Pakistan. Yeah that's right that part out of the world and so the result is that a lot of people from that part of the world. Even if they've been here for years or getting denials having to go oh home sometimes home for a while before you get something together and refile of course. That's only in those instances where you know. The employer cares enough have to spend money on people like me not just once but to three what however many times it takes to get the person so it seems it out so so the result is yes. People from certain countries have more trouble. I mean an example of that is if you're on one of these temporary visas and you're also trying to ultimately immigrate it's important say that a lot of people come over and they do schooling and then they moved to a temporary visa visa might even be here for a while but a lot of people still. They don't want to stay here forever. They might actually spend some years here but they go back for the ones that are staying and they decide to stay if they are in the Green Card Q.. And we have a per country limit on how many people are GONNA EH emigrate each year or get a green card. Well what that means is you're on one of these temporary visas. You only get a certain number of years. But if you're we're going for a green card you might be subject to like a ten year backlog on the Green Card which is way more years than you're giving so then they have all these exception adoption upon exception that they've built so that you can kind of keep stretching out the temporary visa and the spouses of a lot of those folks they are allowed to get employment authorization. They're not allowed to get employment authorization he just temporary but if they're on track they're allowed to get employment authorization and this government since they came in has been trying to knock that out since they came in first of all. They know. It's going to discourage a lot of people from staying right because they're back down to one income so they don't want the people who are married to people on the Green Card list to be able to work exactly that's right. Vat Falls huge disproportionately again on women from that part of the world because because of the per country quotas quotas we have by far the ones that are most backed up or people that are born in India because the numbers are bigger right. So it's like the pig moving through the snake right like the more of those you have from one country the more pushes everybody down the line. Because you've got ten times as many people as you have in the quota so it ends of being the really disproportionately affected people are people from that. Part of the world and their spouses are unable to get work authorization. They he hasn't been stopped yet. They're trying to stop the rule but the way it's being discouraged now is you can for example. There's a rule. You can only renew your employment card up just six months before it expires. But they take eight or nine months to renew the card on my God. So it's all very like insidious because they can't get their way and actually changing the laws. That's it I mean it is also 'cause they're in a bit of chaos like this government is asking these officers to do way more stuff without really any the increase in resources so I think honestly is too that they simply just can't get all these things so what happens in that situation while people often lose their jobs right if there's a woman on such an employment card I mean. She gets to the point where hers expires and she says. I'm sorry I'm you know you're supposed to show up than to do that. Same little form I talked about. You know we have to show up and show that we've still got work authorization and they can't and you know. How long is the employer going going to allow that to happen? So it's just one of many little pieces that discourage people and then people have left and this is markedly different friend from prior administrations. Yesterday's we've always had problems with backlogs. There's always been problems with suddenly some kinds of applications taking a long time. I started in this right after nine. Eleven so there were big backlog then and then people from the Middle East and various places. They'd be applying for citizenship. Listen ship and instead of waiting eight months for an interview they were waiting three years You know things like that would happen so I've seen versions of it but this is really concerted across the whole board and everything is taking a really long time and obstacles are just being thrown up everywhere and it's racism you know is it. The thing is well. Okay so the the spouse were the couple is Norwegian. Aijun will never be stuck in that situation because they're never going to exceed the per country quota right so they will have had their green cards a long long time before the folks from India so that it has a racist Effect but you know I have to say when I'm filing H. H. ONE BS for Financial analysts from Germany who were at the top of their class at the kinds of schools. You would have heard of I. I still get the pushback that says you haven't proven their specialized. You know okay. So it's really more. It's more Zine Athena Phobia. It's a phobia but you you know you can't make it's hard to tell I mean Stephen Miller is kind of making a policy right for driving a lot of the policy if you've heard of him. Oh Oh yeah yeah you know. We know about his leanings. Because of certain emails that have recently been released meal kind of knew them anyway. You know so you can't make overtly racist policy but if you make difficult for certain occupations that are generally populated by people from certain parts of the world. Okay you're GONNA have that effect but I don't know that it's then it's over that I can see it having effect and I made a lot of you know I go out to clients and I do. I do something doctors in you know. And everybody gets fifteen minutes with Marco you remember Lucy. The doctor is in. I'm showing my age against Charlie Brown. Yeah Charlie Brown and Lucy so I go to. The doctor is in one after another person comes in very anxious right because they they. They've really built something here at this point and the message is it doesn't matter and they're they know people who have had to go home after whenever it is a number of years and they're going back to place where they haven't built their contacts write contacts are here now and it's very anxiety provoking so obviously the purpose of these policies that you want companies to hire Americans right that would be the government's explanation of trite and the laws are designed that way you know the to make it so you know like if you transfer someone in on something called an L. Visa you have to it. Oh you did. It has to be because you can't just you can't get easily that particular kind of specialist here and the idea is that it's the kinds of people where if we let those people come in it's actually going to generate. Hopefully more Americans work right The same thing with the H.. One BS their rules there to make it harder and it's supposed to be harder to hire the foreigner. You have to pay a certain amount you know you're required like you're required to pay the lawyer's fees for an H.. One B. Visa when you can't pass that that cost onto the foreign national you have to jump through some hope so they make it tougher and yes it's not supposed to be just like hiring an American or just as easy. It's supposed to be tougher. Sure do you see that. It's working like it is helping American employment or is that something that's too tough even call on the macro side and what I mean anybody the macro side like in the big picture it may be. I mean I think it's cutting both ways because the companies that can afford to say oh to heck with it. I'm just going to set up shop somewhere somewhere else. Are doing that more. You know because they want to get who they can get and they don't want to feel like they're compromising on that so there are companies that can afford to are setting up stuff in Canada. Canada has responded by saying. Hey Wow okay. We're going to be really open. And they've Added some visa classifications that streamline the ability for people to get those visas in Canada so that they can say to companies. You know I mean if it's so tough down here to get who you want. Come on up to Canada. It's it's you know. I bet that benefits the Canadian economy. I should think so I mean. That's that's why they're doing it right so it was actually doing the opposite. We're losing business by having these strict rules. We are losing business. Losing some business because of Because companies also want predictability. You know and and it's it's hard when you can send in exactly the same petition and get two opposite results because partly because of this vagueness it seems maybe who knows. Maybe some offices are taking the cue to be aggressive more than others are. I don't know I mean I've had instances for example where you send a like there's a kind of a block filing that you do with a bunch of petitions and there were like thirty thirty of them and we got okay on most of them and then we got pushback on another group and we could tell by the little codes at the bottom that the the pushback was all from the same officer so obviously taken the block divided up amongst three or four. People just depends on who you get. It's random cam depend on who you get uh-huh harder tougher you know but the standards are like toughened up but there is. There is some variance there. Say I ask you. Maybe you're not qualified qualified but an immigration lawyer in someone who works in immigration the situation at the Mexican border with the separation of families and all of that is that something that is unprecedented. Is that something that you guys are concerned about. It's not something I touch a lot and so I can't talk a lot about it but It is you know the trump administration will be the first to say. Hey you know. Obama separated families as well but it's a little deceptive because what they did was criminalised silom. Yeah they they had criminal charges for for folks crossing the border and what that does is. When there's a criminal charge you can separate a family? And the Obama Administration didn't criminalize. The trump administration is what made it criminal they changed. They changed that policy because the law was sort of always there but then it wasn't enforced. I until trump right well again I think it's a different way of enforcing it but I think yeah I mean it's it's a little out of my daily work. I'm afraid so I don't want it so to speak irresponsibly on it but It's Kinda true at least the illustration I just gave. You is something I do know so. That's the way you take something. That's it's there as a possibility and enforced to the different way and it can result in the separation of families a lot more separation of families. And then I've also seen that immigration judges are just sort of quitting has. Is this news well. The morale is low A.. A Jeff sessions was the attorney general for Awhile and he's gone but he hired a bunch of New People. He wanted them to behave a different way. He also got in and kind of changed. A lot of law himself like what what happens in Immigration Court is a Lotta Times. They follow something. Something called precedent decisions. which are what they sound like? They come from important court decisions that have come before the immigration courts are all under the Attorney Attorney General. They're actually all really part of the president's bureaucracy so they're not like courts you think of where the judiciary you know where we're federal courts parts can actually Are separate from. The president can actually stopped him the way that they've been doing on travel ban and things like that. It's a court system. That's administrative eight of so at the end of the day the President or in this case his attorney general is the boss so basically he just went in and took some precedent decisions Asians and he didn't like and just negated them rewrote them. So this is not the rule anymore and appointed. I know it's hard to think of because we think think of these courts as having an independent being but immigration courts don't immigration courts are actually all part of the executive branch just like the AG AG is part of the executive branch he's appointed by the president. He works for him And then he in turn appoints the judges that's right ultimately yes So you know this. Jeff sessions had training sessions for immigration judges where essentially said. I don't trust these immigration lawyers. They're just trying to figure out tricks. So there's just a lot of in tag like the the relationship is antagonist like I've had to wrench my head around from being like you know a person applying for benefits for companies to. That's all I said the beginning it's more like we're on a war footing I send it out there. And I'm ready for a fight. And he's sending their answer back and the first thing. I'm doing like aggressively going through finding all of the things that they say wrong. And actually I pick out grammatical stuff and all of that to point out the fact that I say they can't have read this very closely because you know. Look look what they look how they misquoted this or did that. We're all just attack each other now it's kind of a little bit of a microcosm of what we're seeing right in the country. We're all of server. We're all contentious against each other if there were to be a new administration. How quickly do you think the stuff could be? Reversed can take a couple of years. I would think to get new judges into reverse all the backup and everything that's right. I mean the judge thing I mean you still have a lot of good judges judges and on what I do in terms of these policies that that they're following At these autism these big service centers that you pack your application off to. They have to go through a process to push through policies or their habits. The bits that are going to have to be changed. There's so much of it That it's not GonNa happen right away on the other hand. These changes happen so quickly that maybe that should make us a little optimistic. That's true you know it depends. How quickly how an administration? What kind of a priority are they going to make it? Um because you have to throw thought and bodies audit a lot at it a lot of time and effort into them into this administration. Just kicking out these memos going out putting people in all the offices were like envisioned hanging over people's shoulders take to get them to do things in entirely different way than they've been doing it because they obviously made a focus on that so there are a lot of things in new administration would have to deal with a lot of areas love different parts of immigration a lot of different things. So what are their priorities gonNA be. How quickly would they put just as much energy into Getting this stuff back to normal or you know maybe a new normal uh-huh versus the other priorities. They would know they would focus on. Are we losing out like in terms of people wanting to come to the US or feeling mm safe in the US like are we losing out on people coming here anecdotally. I've heard people say that you know they're we're not really sure how welcome they are. Welcome they would be. However that's just here and there I I still think that there are people who wanna come here? There's still so there's still a sense that there's opportunity here that they would rather be here if they could but they go to other places now because it's easier easier. There's still this idea about him. And this sounds Corny but there is still this idea about America that it would still be the first choice. It's just that the first choice. It's just become so difficult and people don't WanNa go someplace where every couple of years. They're gonNA worry that they might get. They might not be renewed this time because the more you invest the much more painful it becomes to their nasty leads yeah. I think that we are probably losing out on innovation and People that could benefit our our society and our economy if to take a capitalist view of the whole thing you know as share from clueless said it does not say. RSVP on the Statue of Liberty on that note would you like to play a game show. Sure Okay Great. I'm still processing everything you said and horrify but we have to persevere. That's why I tried to take to clueless to lighten the mood. So hypotheticals is a game show or are you and Gaviard contestants. I'm going to give you some hypothetical situations and you guys can ask as many questions as you want. Then you tell me what you would do in those situations then and I decide if you're right or wrong completely arbitrarily so sort of like it's me against Gabby yes yes we are adversaries right now. Think of of me as an immigration judge okay an impartial one Nanno incredibly partial. Okay Okay Okay so our first game is would you lie or tell the truth. You hate your neighbour a lot. One night you see their child sneaking out of the House and getting getting into someone's car with a suitcase the next morning your neighbor asks if you've seen their kid they can't find them. Would you lie or tell the truth for context context. This neighbor has called the police on their blackmail man three times for Trespassing Aka delivering the mail to the mailbox. Okay so the person's persons kid we can assume is like leaving because the parents are conservative and And Racist Yes okay we can assume okay micah thoughts so just because they're conservative and racist but not like I don't know any abuse or anything like that right so if that's it honestly I would. I would still tell them. Wow so not. All lawyers are crooked. It has to say he'd tell the truth day that I only heard him layers crooked thing and I go wait wait a minute. We actually have these ethical rules that you know I mean I know they're all the stories and everything but you know we do things that some other people do we lose our license people find out about. I don't know I love lawyers. I just think divorce lawyers are crooked. That's my mother divorce attorney. Oh Wow oh yeah no no in Florida. She's really taking one for the team so I I think I would also tell the truth you would. You'd say they ran away because you're you're terrible person. Yeah and also like I mean. I don't know that I would like give a description of the car or anything but I'd be like. Oh Yeah I saw it. I saw I saw them leave and they'd be like what did you see and I did not my glasses. You'd be like they're safe but I'm not telling you where they went. Well how do we know who they run off with like. Thank you like say something like You know like use it as leverage and say even though I've seen you do all these like mean things because I'm well in my case because I'm a father I'm gonNa Tell L. U.. This where you can say. Don't ever call the police again and I'll tell you ooh yeah. We solve that one good job guys got more points. I'll give you more points. Good Yeah 'cause you're partial. Yes I'm very we're all very partial in this game. There are bias Knicks game. Are you a terrible parent similar theme your that. Your child is bad at dating. Especially Sean I states so you create fake online profile with the help of a woman you've hired so she can go on a date with your kid and report back on how they behave on the date eight. You then tell your kids therapist what you learned so they can help your kid in therapy better at dating without your kid. Knowing you're involved at all your the kid goes on to successfully date someone you absolutely hate. Are you a terrible terrible parent. Yeah I I mean I think I am because all that bind the back stuff that led to it. Did they fall in love with the person that they the person you hired. I thought about about taking it that direction but that was already movie with Matthew mcconaughey. Hey and Sarah Jessica Parker so I don't want to step on their toes but okay then how does the person and they went on a date with that you hired and it ghosting ghosting. We'll know the date was so terrible. That your kid understood that they never get a second date. Oh so the kid knows. They're bad at dating waiting. They they look at the facts to say. Don't know why they're bad at dating and they don't know what they're doing wrong but somehow through this whole trick in the therapy at least got a date finally but then they started dating a person that I hate yes. Golly that's a tough one workers. You're happy with their dating on the one hand you have been now. You have to deal with their significant other WHO's awful. I think I think like that's the penance. Like you did all this stuff behind their back. They're happy you got to hang out with Angela. Who Sucks Yeah? You know what they'll try you're paying the price in the price and they may just be joining to get back to you because somehow they figured out you did that. Twist and turn. Let me tell you what happens. Is that their your partner hates you back and they take your kid away and you never see him again. What I am sorry about that? They immigrate to Canada go to Canada and they find it pretty easy to get exactly how full circle full circle our final game. Are they an alien alien from outer space. I WANNA clarify situation worse or are they just rude while at the gym a very old man takes the treadmill next next to you even though there are many others free he then proceeds to yell at you to go faster and faster despite only walking on his treadmill is he a an alien or just rude. It ends up being the best workout of your life. Wow and how. What results are you seeing? No this is the best workout of your life. Just like the calories burned is the most because he's been screaming at you to go faster. I love this guy reminds me of my son's baseball coach. When my son was eight would scream at your kin? Oh this guy would scream and he would light a cigarette and walk up to the left field line and all the parents on the other teams thought we were crazy for having our kids with him but He got results he he got resolved. Boyd noticed takes me back to my terrible double parents. Thank you so much for joining us. This was so informative and important. Where do you think people can find more information? You know what's going on in in the immigration courts. If if they're interested our bar association is called Ayla American Immigration Lawyers Association Association and then they also have like a separate foundation thing called American immigration counsel and they're constantly putting out how you know. I just get these news blurbs or I get things that are going on in courts or things that are going on down in Texas and policy stuff that's going on so they can be a good good grief source There's another place for people like you know when they worry about the have a friend and they're they're worried about the travel ban and Oh my lord or they're gonNa you know what. What do I do you with my phone? When I'm they WANNA take my phone for me and look at it when I come into immigration and all of that will the ACLU website always trust some good guidance on things like that? Because that's been a thing that you get asked about more and more because when you come into the airport they're asking to your cell phone and to look through it and ridiculous list. Yeah well thank you. We'll we'll provide links to both those things in the episode prescription and thank you for coming on you so much and my dad says hi. Thanks for having me terrific. I really appreciate it guys after the break. We'll be talking all about what defines a healthy not relationship like we know back to just between us it's time for topics. XXXXX XXXXX ex- ex- baby. I kinda sing along to the music to like banner. Were I was doing. I was doing it quietly quietly. They'll pick it up on Mike they'll pick it up in post. This week's topic is healthy relationships. What's that like? No just kidding readers. Listeners audience please write in this no what is that. Look like. This topic was inspired by this tweet. That's kind of gone viral Arrow where this woman said you know writers if your partner doesn't read your work then there's not supportive and you should break up with them Its author Morgan Jenkins and I think it was like hey date someone who reads your work and people were divided on it. Yes so there was a lot of response where it was like. Absolutely your partner should read your work and support your work and then other people being like I've been married for twenty years. My partner doesn't read any of the books. I right but is supportive of me in so many other ways and sometimes people were like I would die if my partner read my work which is very funny so it just got me thinking about like that there are so many different relationship styles that work for different people right. I was wondering if we could sort of like find some tenants that sort of apply to everybody everybody well. My partner is a musician and I love their music. I listen to their music. Even if we weren't dating that's huge I know. Do you think you could date them if you didn't like their music. So that's the thing right like I have dated a musician who did not like his music and it was. Oh let's bleep that bit so it's like you know. Oh this thing where it affects your respect for your partner and obviously you and I both know. Respect is huge and important in a relationship respecting each other. I say that's the number KNBR. One tenant of a healthy relationship right so I would hope that they liked my work and respected my work and we're interested in you know like my partner read my comic book and like Ah Breezed through it in a day and I would hope that I would like their work and they would like my work but I think that's just something that makes me. That's my definition of respect back which I other people might have a totally different definition of respect. What could you be with someone who didn't consumer work? I'd feel sad. Yeah I would feel sad but I would want to curate. What of my work? They they don't they don't need to see all of it. There's certain things we're partners have been like. Oh I watched and I'm like you really didn't have to write or like AAC. This isn't representative of what I do like. They watch like a branded video. And I'm like no no no no no but then you know. The person I'm dating now is like only listened to the new record. Don't listen to anything I put out before. Oh really yeah and I'm like I love those songs and they're like a embarrassing. That's so funny. I know I think I have dated people. They didn't respect their work or didn't think we're funny or didn't think they were talented and I want to be with someone who I would consume their work even if we weren't together well I can't believe you dated someone you didn't think was funny. Oh yeah in or didn't think was talented or would like worry that they weren't good that things or get frustrated that they were like bad at their chosen career. So I think that that kind of comes back to like respect. Yeah so obviously in different careers like I'm not qualified. You know someone's a good doctor or a good accountant or good right but you can kind of get the sense of your partner if you feel like they're capable person that yeah and that's part of it but also some people are like I dunno my partners Like a shitty their chef and their bad at it but I they also who are really supportive of me and they do other things that I love and they're kind and they treat animals. Well I don't know you know what I mean. People have different standards. But that's what that's what we're getting into is like you have to figure out what matters to you and what's important to you so for me like I couldn't date someone. I didn't find funny right. Obviously the law geary with someone. The more likely likely this is to happen. But I think it's really bad when someone's personality annoys you. Oh my God and you see that with so many couples especially the older couples where it's just like the basic principles of this person's personality. Annoy them if they seem to hate each other right. I think it's really important into can always find each other amusing. Yeah and to share a sense of humor I hate. There's like couples that I know that have like one person says. Is that something to the other person where they're like. They hate this thing and they hate their personality and they hate all these things and try to change them and stuff and my thought is always like back. If they don't like all of these things about you go like leave like why do you WanNa be with someone who you think all of this negative stuff about right so I think the important thing for a healthy relationship is not wanting your partner to change significantly right because then then you're just like in a relationship for the hope of the future. Sure I think like what the relationship is today. Yeah it's so weird like 'cause there's like stuff you know where friends will say well. My partner doesn't like this this and this and I'll be like well that's pretty mean of them to say to you like you should kind of stuff like you don't know how to take care of me. You don't know what to do when I'm upset you're selfish and you work too much stuff like that right and so it's like okay. Well my advice is like you should leave them. Because they're being really mean to you but also they. It shouldn't be with you like why are you with someone who you are like mad at all the time and don't seem to enjoy. I would argue that sometimes. There is a learning curve curve on figuring out how your partner wants to be cared for. Definitely you have to communicate that someone might not get that right right away then. What matters is if they are responsive to what? Ah You're telling them a hugely so for me. The thing that has made me feel that my current relationship is very healthy is that there is is so much communication and the assumption of good intentions. Yes the benefit of the doubt that when we disagree on something we are coming coming from a baseline of you are good person and I am a good person and nobody is trying to hurt each other and things get resolved like that for rush because it's just snapped in case on Mike. Yeah because because everyone yeah good job thank you yes Amar I assume but yeah like everybody is coming at it being like. I believe that you are not militias huge and the hi dear that you to our team yes as something that Jake says all the time that like. He wanted a teammate. Like we were on the team if there's issues it's not like us against each other. It's like us against the world. Yes yeah and that's really important and not taking things personally that they don't take things personally. I don't take things personally like the assumption is always love or that they just didn't realize or you. You need to explain something which is like I was like like talking about Maybe buying a place in L. A. eventually and My partner was like a little upset and I was like. Why are you upset like like why? I don't understand what I did and they were like. I don't want you to talk about buying a place like I want you to include me in your future and I was like Oh. I was just like mindlessly chattering about like what I might do. When I buy a house I so did not realize like but instead of being like you? Don't think of me. And you cut cut me out and Blah Blah Blah. They were like hey just include me and I like Oh my God absolutely. I'm like you know what I mean. The assumption that the other person is just like you know l.. Like not coming at you to hurt you but like just being a little whatever and then communicating that need without anger. I also think it's so crucial to share the same values news. You're going to have a healthy relationship and obviously those values can vary very much between couple to couple. Yeah but like it's family a priority. Right is traveling a priority right like what do we want the future to look like. Do you WANNA have kids. We want to save money. Do we spend more money day to day. Like I think that all of that stuff is just going to set you up much more success than like if you have different values you're constantly going to be battling each other. Yeah and sometimes your values can be we both of you value independence absolutely and so you don't necessarily want a future that is Traditional right I mean it it is like really he just down to like lining and I. We've talked on this show how much you and I both hate the concept of soulmates and how that is garbage and I think a lot of people get into super were unhealthy relationships. Because they're like no. This is my soul mate. This is my purse and for some reason because because they're addicted to you know oh obsessive love or because they have been with someone for a long time so they must be their soulmate or whatever it is. If things aren't working you can always like not be together. You know what I mean. There's no obligation to be with someone if it's unhealthy and I think that like you should be with someone who's willing to put in the same amount amount of work as you. Yeah so for one couple. That could be very little work. Yeah their relationships will be the priority and that's fine as long as that's both people right or another couple might like the relationship is they're both there's number one priority and so they're willing to put in all the work they need to to make it work but you just have to be aligned on those things. Yeah I I think sometimes Your Body reacts to like your body gives you clues like sometimes I've been with people and you you know that your partner's coming over and you're anxious anxious Or like I've been with people where I like kind of in the back of my mind to know that it's not good and we should break up it's unhealthy but I don't WanNa do anything but then my body audio's like my stomach hurts all the time and my like eyes are sunk in my hair is like falling out or whatever I don't mean you're is like physical symptoms Adams of stress. I know you do but what what happens. I like dark circles. Oh like I have like very physical reactions to stress and so like when I know. I know that something isn't right. Even if I don't WanNa admit it your body will tell you And that's something to pay attention to because if your relationship is unhealthy your body body will feel it. I I think like a thing that is really nice and I was talking to my therapist about my current partner and my therapist was like it's just com- Like it's just calm. There's no like intense drama day to day. There's no like I'm not trying to decode messages or a of fight. You know it's just like discussions and also like I just feel calm. It's so nice to become. Can you imagine think about what are pass. Can you fucking imagine being calm like in the past. Could you imagine being calm like we are now new. WHOA I don't even relate to myself in other relationships anymore oh it's bunkers and like if you're partners yelling at you by you know I was driving down beverly with Dan and I screamed. I hate you then. He tried to get out of the moving car. Like what that is not. Okay Yeah UH obviously you might not be that. You're a bad person but like two people can be triggers for each other right so that's the other big component is. I think a healthy relationship is when someone brings out the best in you and and you like the person you are when you're with them. Oh huge huge man so many relationships were so bad. Yeah it's hard and you know what it's it's hard to get out of them when you're when you're like in the middle of it in the midst of it you go nobody understands. This is just how we are this. Is You know what I mean like you do this whole rationalizing in your head. It's scary to be alone. It's scary to go through a break-up but there is hope to make a come on. Tell us your thoughts. This is a very heavy episode. Yeah Super Heavy so we love to meander between very heavy and very relight here on just between us so I was just going to add. It's really interesting to be in the room with two people and really great stable healthy relationships because I was gonna come in and say I've been on a break from relationships because I know exactly what you guys are talking about and when you just don't have that then sometimes it's nice to take a break doc. I think yeah. I had to take a break before I started dating. Jake and like is like really reassess a lot of stuff and work on myself a bunch like. I don't think that I could have had the healthy relationship in Japan. Have with him now if it was me a couple years ago. Yeah me too me too. It was all bad behavior. Like I don't want to seem like it was other people. It was like other people in also. Oh my own bad behavior and why was that my instinct to just act like that. Yeah I think like it. It's like really important for both people or multiple people to be in a good place when you finally meet. Yeah so I think it's really important. That's the only thing that went to add to this conversation. It's just so important to like understand who you are and what you want what you need before you can get to a place where you can be a team and that you don't need the relationship that the relationship isn't what makes you whole as a person it's something you want is a great addition but like I think I think that then you get into codependency. which isn't healthy? All so people act like they can't control who they are attracted to but you can know if you know that you're attracted to terrible people you can work on that and try steer yourself away. Save yourself bud. You know how it's going to end and don't do it. What are we rate this episode? Ten out of ten Marco's. I don't know I just found interesting interesting interesting. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's very interesting. Well Irate at ten ten new administration's yeah please please. I liked that. He was up like at first. 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"The starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. <hes> let's go tickling the ivories he just saved by bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally for that gal of yours ugo sending my condolences this is it measured the distance of the body from the door stuff like that but as far as anything that would give me a freshly. There was nothing nothing at all. I was licked and i knew it it. Oh mr dollar good evening. Mrs russell i just dropped in to say goodbye was very thoughtful of you. Please please come in. Thanks when i'm checking out in the morning. What are your plans. I'm not sure mr dollar. I'll probably get rid of the house and denver and take an apartment for a while after that. I i don't know filed your claim on your husband's insurance policy no not yet my my lawyer will take care of it for me. I'd rather not have any more to do with things like that. Personally i can help mr dollar. Have you gotten anywhere where with your investigation. Have you found anyone at all. Who could have had a reason to kill my husband to tell you the truth. Mrs russell out now. I've gotten them. They saw something leona russell's rome just a little thing but all of a sudden the whole deal slip neatly into place but but i had to be sure somehow i had to start the ball rolling and see what happened. You were saying mr dollar. Oh yeah i i was saying up to now. I haven't been able to get any. What time is it what quarter to ten phone call. If i use your phone a no not not at all i was supposed to call deputy sheriff garrett to check on a new lead and if it's panned out looks like we're in the deputy sheriff garrett. Johnny donner aunt's house that newly look ah good. Oh maybe putting on an act for somebody. That's right looks like we're on the right track the last <hes> you can't beat a lab test thanks something newly developed mister dole looks like we're finally closing in on the right man dan mrs russell. I gotta run now. Got a date with a sheriff but i'll keep you posted. I went outside our hotel cottage outage and wait a minute. I can hear her on the phone and a moment she came started on the trail. In the late. Show i followed. I was sure i was finding getting close to russell's killer but then a gun barrel back told me i'd gotten a little too close. Well mister big surprise as a matter of fact. I know that you bill hello. Leona the super little falling for gag. Egli dollar just pulled on you but i had talked to you to warn you. It's like you're a little stupid. Toolbox being spotted one of them leona scotty. I should never come to your cost of your so now. You would have had to see what threw me about you bixby clarence but a middle name of william <hes> do you any good now it was u._n. Leona right from the start her husband found out about it but all he had to go on was the name bill somehow he gotta leave that brought him up here to crystal arranged for him to get the lead. You wanted to be easy to to find you had higher on the taxi driver decoy russell to you then killed hire him to shut his mouth. They'll get rid of it and then you killed russell in your cabin and left his body. Actual people have an the next cabinet moved in that night. I was afraid they'd see me. If i moved the body so you played it smart stola padlock from bill jensen to throw suspicion on him then you advertise your cabin and discover discover the body when a prospect wanted to see the place a pretty neat cover bixby you had a lot of nice chill have enough to do what has to be done and sweet little liane russell the poor grieving wife in it whittier right from the start and do what bill then you and i can go no. That's where you're wrong leona. It's not gonna be you and i anymore. Roar bill. You can't say that the whole deal right from the start. I'm sick of it. I'm giving you can't get out there. You hear me you can't you're innocent. Deep as i am i can get out all right leone. 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All you have to do is dial in toll free where you are invited to take control of the airwaves. You can bring up whatever's on your mind although tonight tonight. We're going to start by talking about the on going drama in portland not portland maine. Which is you yeah closer to where we are here in new hampshire but portland oregon where once again the what they call proud boys and antiques vaca- anti-fascists supposedly purportedly yeah they are coming together once again to have themselves a fight at least that's is likely what is going to occur ford fisher who we met actually in vegas who's a libertarian journalists. Basically he's actually actually been on the ground out there if he loves to put himself into. These situations reached out to ford to see if we get him on tonight. I don't know if we'll be able to because he's he's like he's got a helmet element on and you know basically armor because these two sides these proud boys and the antifa <hes> they are not friendly only to one another at all. This is not the first time that they have had conflict and it's not the first time they've conflicted together in the city of portland specifically so this seems to be a bit of a flash point for these two groups to get together. Well portland like a a lot of cities on the west. Coast is pretty liberal. Yep that's true and this is a place where if you are right leaning you can certainly if you hold a rally then. You're going to get some attention exactly well. I mean we've had rallies here in in keene new hampshire where there's some liberal people and nothing like this ever happens but we're not right wing either were here. Don't tracked correct extremist types either well. I mean define extremist type. I would say violent extremists by the way it's ian riley and chris here in the studio. I don't know if we did that the beginning of the show but we're here. We'll take your calls your thoughts. Yeah thankfully the various different <hes> protests in such that have happened here in new hampshire. I'm sure is part of the liberty. Movement have been relatively unopposed as far as violent lunatics are concerned so like we've got it easy <music> over here by comparison we also don't have near the numbers as either of these two sides appear to have i mean we're talking about a a group of probably mostly men n. or certainly the proud boys are likely all male and then the antifa probably more of a mix but still probably likely mostly males because those tend to be the types of the people who are coming out looking for an opportunity to commence a beaten on the other side now according to tweets from ford fisher he says as of at least three hours ago he has yet to witness violence on either side however chris you say there have already been thirteen arrests. That doesn't necessarily mean all thirteen arrests were for violence correct. I know that the police apparently are seizing according to the a._p. Report here seizing things that they believe could be used as as weapons so even flagpoles apparently are being prohibited in the <hes>. The various protests areas yeah. It's it's interesting. I it's it's interesting to see how the press portrays this stuff too and right and this is a rally i from what i understand. <hes> was organized by patriot a prayer and they are a. I don't know if i'd i don't know enough about them to say they're far right to me. They look right wing. They they go go to places and they like to demonstrate in favor of free speech and you know they have a right to do this. Is that all they're in favor of because i from what i understand about at least a proud boys we've talked about this patriot prayer group at least once in the past in relation to things that have gone on in portland and i'm. I'm not sure what the differences are between patriot prayer and proud boys. I suspect there's a lot of crossover between both of those groups if there is much of a separation at at all between them but as i understand it at least a proud boys and please if i'm wrong about this please call in toll free numbers eight fifty five four hundred fifty free this is it's just me going on memory of what we've talked about. Four is the proud boys are supposedly proud of being western and they like believe that a woman's places aces in the kitchen and the bedroom that kind of thing so the old fashioned misogynist types but everything i read about that you can look at it that way hatred prayer everybody who tries to tear them down seems to point out that well they attract groups like the proud boys they attract people like hell shaking street street preachers and i'm having a hard time locating exactly what it is that patriot prayer is actually saying or are are they. What do they stand for yeah. Are they inviting well. They certainly sound religious right. I mean that's they've got the name prayer right. Perhaps they're more of a religious right wing sect instead of the proud boys. Maybe the proud boys aren't as aren't as you know upfront religious again. I'm i'm somewhat speculating here. I think i'd i'd based on what i've seen. Proud boys would fall into far-right from my estimation. I think these guys are gonna be right wing. Definitely trump supporters <hes> they wanna get some make some noise. I don't know if <hes> see everything's hard right-left. It left hard right hard left hard right. You know it's just which is really sad. There are a lot of moderate people briley. Do you know anything about these. <hes> these these groups. I didn't get enough information on them before we started the show so we don't know enough about them and just want to say that what's really sad that we have all these extremists command dan force. It's like what's going on here well. That's what i wanna know is like. Why are these people fighting so darn much. I just don't understand <hes> <hes> it's just i think people want an excuse to have conflict. You know like oh this. This group that i hate is going out in the street so i need to go out and show people how much i hate them and for antiga antifa certainly has made a made their share of right wing haters and and basically for the left. They hate all groups that support trump. That's that's all it takes to be considered far right wing well. There is and you can argue that the <hes> the proud boys slash pay trip prayer group you know they are they going out there for the purpose of starting a fight are they hoping that by being there that they will you know that somebody will throw a punch somebody from antifa will try try to start something and therefore give them the excuse to commence whatever beat down they were hoping to do because in that case they didn't start it right. If if you know a patriot prayer shows up and they're well we're just here protesting and somebody from antifa comes up and throws a throws a punch well then it's on right right it becomes so how far are is either side going to take it. <hes> and tika seems to be willing to always. Let's have a fight <hes> the proud boys noise. I don't know anything about proud boys. I don't know anything about these far right groups but i'm just kind of going back over stories to see what they've actually done and if you're yelling you're in the street yelling because you don't like somebody else's opinion you gotta right to yell. You don't have a right to beat somebody over the ahead on either side does that is in the wrong <hes> from a libertarian point of view all right so according to now the patriot prayer group does have official website and we'll see if we can pull up some information because you know i don't wanna just necessarily rely on what wikipedia says about it because obviously can be edited by anybody anybody although that's certainly is a a fine place to get started <hes> patriot prayer. It says here join us but it doesn't say anything about hey. This is what we believe. Here's why you should join. It's just like the front page of the website is just a bunch of like news stories stories about them right. There's not really anything here about you. Know what we believe. At least if it's there it's not jumping out at me. They do have a logo logo that says god in freedom courage and faith patriot prayer so that's what they're you know that gives you some idea of what these people might believe in their logo appears to be a lion with a crown of bloody looking thorns around its head so like jesus jesus reference. Yes it is difference as i understand it but it's on a lion. So what is the what's the relevance of the lion. I guess they're big and tough. I guess the thing toll free number here tonight. If you wanna join us eight fifty five four fifty free so right now. These two groups are in the streets in portland. If you're out there and you wanna comment you're certainly welcome to join us toll free number fifty five four fifty free like freedom if you are a member of either of these groups or maybe three different groups here at least probably there's probably different subgroups in i anti fa as well <hes> would be my guess. 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I'm not seeing anything that says patriot prayer started started violence against anybody else. They seem to hold these events <hes> and they seem to be promoting free speech now. Undoubtedly people in portland take this differently because they are pro-trump so if if you have anything to say about patriot prayer i'd love to hear <hes> yeah. Maybe you've been involved before or you're currently involved with him now. Maybe you are the opposition and you wanna tell us what you think. They're really about toll free numbers eight fifty five four fifty free so did you want to go through what <hes> wikipedia article says this guy believes because presumably his group would share some of those beliefs even though it's not clear from the patriot prayer website what they actually believe in right so if you skip past the references to do you know him being all right and stuff like that he says and let me get back to his pace. <hes> he says is that he considers himself fe moderate libertarian <hes> but his organization has been described by the media as all right. There's a whole lot of that <hes> described by the media as all right now of course the media doesn't really understand what libertarian is anyway. They pay libertarians. Excuse me they pay libertarians. Maybe slightly conservative some like that. I don't know they do have a tendency to do that. Which is understandable given the libertarian party which is one of the more visible aspects of the libertarian movement by no means the only aspect but one of the more visible ones has per proffered in their last three election campaigns a former republican governor slash representative. They are in two thousand aid. Who's you know awful and then gary johnson in two thousand twelve and two thousand sixteen dean who's a little less awful but awful but still not libertarian not eber terry and so it's understandable why the media would look at the libertarian party and say oh yeah. There's some somewhat conservative people so gibson ran force for a u._s. Senate seat in washington state. He lives in washington state right across <hes> the river from portland. He describes himself as quote a moderate libertarian and some of the positions that they've listed <hes> have to do with you know immigration say a pathway to citizenship for non criminal illegal aliens. He supports decriminalization of marijuana that one one same sex marriage should be legal. Yes legal. You'd be legal. Yes okay that doesn't sound too right wing. You know that sounds. It does sound a little bit libertarian. He advocates for term limits for congress implementation of a national sales tax. It's a frequently proposed <unk> idea that if you do this it'll be more fair we had a guy on during the porcupine freedom festival who went out during the forecast we have on during forecast worked fast and he is big time into the whole fair tax thing and i understand why because he believes it's going to get rid of the income tax. I don't believe that it will. I don't think you can get that deal out of the government so either a politician will tell you a well. He's in favor of abolition of the internal journal revenue service. He wants to abolish the i._r._s. As part of his ocassional sales tax idea. He doesn't think that he thinks state. Government is too much control by the pharmaceutical and healthcare industries so definitely highly influenced yeah so you you know again when i look into this guy and i could be completely wrong. It seems to be every article. I read on him. It says is known nonni to or attended. His rallies are attended by people that are are more far-right. I think the proud boys would probably describe themselves as a a far right group possibly so yeah. I don't know any proud boys. So i don't mean we we would ask about that. We need some proud voice to call well. Let's go we get bad slave on malign here and i guess he's been watching some footage from portland right now. Good that slave. You're calling from new hampshire. Yeah thanks <music> i i. I've been kind of following because i like gavin mckiness. Who are you following. Well gavin gavin mcginnis he was one of the founders didn't renounce himself from the proud boys recently proud boys and you know i'm not even sure serves on the detail. Normally that only happens when somebody feels as though the organization they founded has strayed from its original core principles the case i i don't know but i'm looking ja froude boys u._s._a. About us right now okay and and you know just a big box on the screen it says how to save america abolish prison and give everyone a gun legalized drugs and welfare close the borders bene- rake the housewife. The entrepreneurial shut down the government. I think there's only in there that that's really negative in l. Libertarian standpoint well. I mean you know boards and their housewife or something. That's going to a lot of strong opinions. Well well no. I you know the the housewife is if you expect. The woman chose that life then yes. That's that's the writing and that's something that somebody wants to do but i think these guys want and thank you for the call tonight. Bad slave these guys. That's all they want for women from what i i understand and they like him white. 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It seems to be patriot prayer at least and go into the s._p._i._c. They don't even name patriot prayer as one of their hate groups and that's unusual okay. I thought the s._p._i._c. named everyone who voted for donald trump as a hate person at least but a lot of these <hes> clashes occur atta atta vents that patriot prayer puts on and they are frequently attended by some far right groups and that includes the proud oh boy and stuff like that and and antifa is always there to counter protest and i don't know you know who who threw the first <hes> <hes> who throws the first fist. I guess that's the that's the big question here game a chicken in portland so if you wanna weigh in you're welcome to join us toll free number is eight fifty five. 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Maybe maybe it's going to be a group of people who kinda agree with you on some things but not on a bunch of other things but they wanted to come out to your anyway just to see what was going to happen or and maybe in the hopes of getting into a fight with the violent angry haters who will show up so that's one of the problems with <hes> with public property is anybody anybody can be there and it gets really difficult to discern sometimes who is with who and who's on whose side in allows a politicians tends to interject themselves into it <hes> based on their beliefs exactly and we'll do that a lot and you know and and portland. It seems to have kind of the you have the city government. That's been pretty supportive. I should say not supportive of the of the right <hes> <hes> protests but also trying not to appear to pro and antiga and you have the police which seemed to be more more supportive of the right you think the police are more supportive of the right that in portland that has been the allegation a couple times by antifa by by other interesting yeah because they haven't can't well believes the opposite's true at least in charlottesville right the right. Just hasn't <hes> hasn't really been the ones who of initiated violence in portland. They've been pretty much. We're going to hold a protest and and i'm just looking at the the news from today you know they. They held their rally and i guess around noon. <hes> the proud boys notified the portland cops that they'd like to go now so could you please clear clear way so we don't encounter any violence and they left so that's it the rallies over that rally what's gone on since then but you know that's the type of thing and it's it's gonna be interesting to see how plays out in a trump tweeted today that he was watching this very closely tweets about everything and he looking at antiga. We've <hes> whether antifa should be named as a terrorist organization. According to the story of the daily beast dot com proud boys or declaring their rallyists success citing donald trump's tweets as evidence hundreds of far-right protesters swarmed downtown portland today with many of them looking as if they were ready to to do battle against the anti-fascist demonstrators who gathered to confront them but he potentially dangerous and volatile situation the city's mayor had warned up seems to have fizzled out rather quickly after the proud boys and other foreign groups behind the protests reportedly asked police to help them leave the area there quick exit from the long-awaited standoff against. I anti fascist groups came just a few hours. After president trump signaled he was watching which was apparently all many on the far right wanted anyway proud boys protest protest organizers joe biggs told the oregonian quote go look at president trump's twitter when asked what message the group wanted to convey quote. He talked about portland and he said he's watching antifa. That's all we wanted. We wanted national attention and we got it michigan success that was it yeah that's it. <hes> <hes> and i don't know more stuff is possible but it seems like it was a non event like the politicians nations were so worried about what the left in the writer gonna do and we're gonna freak. Everybody out and get everybody looking and they. It looks like they just said yeah. We're going on home well. I'm glad to hear that they're you know that it was a non event. I mean i i don't relish seeing people being beaten over their beliefs in the streets which is why l. This song is just seems so silly to me especially if your point was to just get national attention you know normally when you go i i mean i don't know what these people do. Normally but normally you know as an activist or somebody who's going out into the streets to do some sort of form of protest or speech or whatever national attention's a nice thing to get but that's not what you should hope for or that. At least that's not what you should expect out of something like that or make that you know your your main goal to me. The goal is to reach out to the people who are there the people <hes> who are in the streets now you can obviously you know you can you can promote what you're doing. You can put <hes> photographs and videos videos and interviews and try to get as much attention because it is obviously about getting attention for usually some sort of purpose. Initially there was some kind of goal you want people to know about an issue. You want to raise awareness so like we talked about the other night. There was the the <hes> situation with the truck that almost ran into or did literally kind of run into some protesters that were outside of a detention facility. This was friday night so you guys are on the show but it was in rhode island. There was a black truck driven by one of the guards of the facility that just decided he was. I was going to go right through a line of protesters now. He you know he didn't go fast but he did kind of rev up his engine and move for and lurch forward at one point and <hes> luckily nobody got run underneath the truck in that case but those those protesters were there for a purpose they they were there not to get national attention necessarily but to draw anyone's attention to what was going on at that particular location. They wanted to give out their message of what's going on right so i'm still not a clear exactly you know. Was there a message today. Was this a free speech event. If so what was the speech that they were supporting what was it that they were saying hang with. Did they have a speech where they said we want. We want trump to acknowledge us. Is that what this was all about kind of unclear. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty the free that's eight five five four five zero three seven three three okay trump acknowledged you. What's your next step. Get rid of antifa well well. I think you're rid of all of these people. There's more coming up here in moments eight fifty five four fifty free like freedom. It's free talk live fellow patriots. My name is todd. Savage founder of black rifle real estate dot com like you. I was a prisoner of the left sanctuary state until one day chose to leave my family to freedom. 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I got the feeling that this was going to go on into the evening but perhaps not we just found out that the proud boys and or for patriot prayer it's still not clear you know which group it was or if it was both or whatever <hes> they they had their event they got a tweet eight from donald trump and called it a day and are acting as though they've they've succeeded that they up wait. We got our national attention and that's actually what the quote is here from the media that i'd i'd pulled up. This is the daily beast in the daily beast dot com. This is the organizer of the proud boys so they're not patriots. Prayer joe biggs said quote. He talked about portland. He said he's watching antifa. That's all we wanted. We wanted natural at national attention. We got admission success all right well. I guess shutdown the organization. I'm not sure what oh what the point was so. I did pull up this proud boys website and chris chris. You had said earlier that that you thought they were like a pro white group but it says here all racist that's good so it says gay or straight trade. It says all religions okay. They say to join proud boys. You must be a man and you must love the west. Whatever satu does that mean western civilization. Okay yeah doesn't include mexico include canada. I would think i would think so. What about out south america. Is that the west. I think so okay. There's always some z. The orient no that's bad right. According to the other probably saying you can't love the east. I think it's just western culture. The idea of western culture versus other muslim are probably nice part part of western culture all right well. Let's go to your phone calls and thoughts. If you wanna weigh in here. What are these people believe. We're trying to figure it out. The the toll free number is eight fifty. Five four hundred fifty free actually going to go into a prison here where bradley is calling from the par- nell correct. I think that's what it's called. Parnell corrections directions in what is that main or michigan. Excuse me michigan bradley. Are you with us. You have sixty seconds remaining. I just ran out of money on the phone <hes> but today. I wanted to talk about prisoners for liberty. I'm one of the founders and basically we are. We're just trying to educate people about the ideas of liberty inside of prison. <hes> my name is bradley hunt if anybody's interested in helping me out <hes> my my prison number is three five five seven three one. I'll repeat that one more time. My name is bradley hunt and my prison number three five seven three one in the parnell arnold michigan prisoner. I wish we had more time with you to talk about this saturday okay. Hey thanks man. I appreciate it. That's bradley from the prisoner's owners for liberty group. He has been sending mail to the studios. I am familiar with the group gotcha. <hes> it started there at <hes> jackson. Michigan is is is where they're at. That's cool w._h._m. Is actually our station out there so that's how they're they're listening to the show so if you want to join us here eight fifty five four fifty three every what is this group all about they say that they are the world's greatest fraternal organization forget about the lions club or whatever we're always outdoors is a shriners and but there you go do they have little cars then. That's how i judge how great yeah yeah if you don't have great yeah that's that's the standard you're just you know some people the website that show up at various events man i dunno oh yeah i i. I've just been looking at portland protests and this is just twitter just skimmed down my feed. What i see is a a violent group of people attacking bus and they all have masks on now. These are the chiefs. I can't find an example of of the right wing groups doing anything other than you know listening to a guy talk <hes> maybe there are you got something you can point me to. I'd i'd be happy to look at it but it seems this is pretty much an antique show and this is what makes me wonder i mean where are where are the pro antiques antiga people where where's the politician standing up going. You know what i'm all behind. What antifa is doing isn't the portland mayor or lefty yeah yeah but i don't hear pro antifa from anybody well. I mean it's hard to it wouldn't surprise me if there's plenty of people out there who are are against against fascism. I'm against fascism. I am too yeah. Absolutely that doesn't mean i'm in favor of the black mask people who are causing destruction yeah or starting fights or whatever it is. They're allegedly doing now to be clear ford. Fishers twitter update says he didn't see any violence today whatsoever out there so you know maybe this attacking the school bus. I don't know what that was about. No i- lottery i saw probably six different videos that may have been a couple of them same thing from different angles but they're showing violence <hes> uh-huh and that may have been all the went on and <hes> i just don't. I don't know you know people love to look at any right wing group. Ben say you are pro trump. You are there for a nazi and if the antifa groups always seemed to get kind of a pass well the news media definitely doesn't seem to be opposed to antifa yeah. They seem to right relatively positively towards them in a lot of cases <hes> but honestly. I don't know what they believe either america's. I'm not clear that at least from what we've read so far about the proud boys and or patriot prayer that they aren't aren't necessarily fascist right so are they are is antifa really anti-fascist or are they just anti right wing did do here. They're just anti anti right wing right now. I think so too and i'm not really sure they understand what fascism is because you have lots of examples in history of left-wingers being very fascist american defined fascism yeah. They need to define that. Can you define. Can i define that classical fascism would would be sort of a it's a political philosophy where the state doesn't own the means of production but the state works very closely with business to ensure ensure that <hes> that it it gets everything it needs now it it limits liberty the best example you can look at it as mussolini's delaney's italy and that was not by any stretch a free free country but things got done on and i think that's what a lot of the left is probably scared of things might get done and the right <hes> you know will we'll turn to the the alright will turn and go well. That does really work me. I'm sitting here in the middle going. You're wrong <hes>. You can't have government running mean anything because it does fall apart. It's it's central planning right governments. Don't run things well. They run things terribly well. That's true <hes> but i mean having government regulate galet. The marketplace is basically what we have. Today i mean government tying in with government which is corporations by the way they're all municipal corporations and other forms of corporations <hes> tying in with these mega corporations. I mean couldn't be argued that we're living in a fascist state right. Now you can argue were living in lots of things except for a free country braida <hes> but yeah there are certainly aspects of fascism which are alive and well did fascist <hes> the class. I gotta admit i've not studied. I'm not a student of history mystery. <hes> did they have welfare programs to kind of like this. Country has sort of fascism with corporate corporatism but also bunch of socialist kind of welfare programs. Yeah i'd have to go back in and look at because it wasn't really around that long it sprung up a right before world war two <hes> it lasted i think into the early the seventies and i wasn't paying much of much attention to italy then but it would be an interesting <hes> question to interesting subject to dig into and i just <hes> you know the idea that even if industries are guided by or directed by government. That's still central planning you know <hes> fascism is to me a lighter form of or a moderate form of socialism. It's there's no difference. I mean you're still still gotta. You still have a central body directing things and that's not going to work and it didn't otherwise we'd still have strong fascist states and we don't unless you listen to antifa and this is one. I don't think <hes> fascism as a the defining characteristic of where are we are now. What is i think just it's it's an oligarchy just stadium basically yeah. We have a country that is is regardless of what different components call themselves. They are directed by the extremely wealthy <hes>. Nobody's you don't have elected officials here. You have directed officials and that to me really is what defines us. The toll free number is eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero zero three seven three three. Apparently the police state is coming down on greyhound riders in miami. They are being told to show their papers at south florida bus. Terminals is up fascist or socialist or just straight up status. They authoritarian authoritarian fifty five four hundred fifty free like freedom eight five five four five zero three seven three three. This is free. Talk live twos next. Do you have a crypto wealth advisor riser a coach. 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It's ian riley and chris off. You're just tuning in. We've been talking about the proud boys and an tif apparently coming together and not ought fighting for once in portland oregon today there we kind of dissected that as much as we could knowing not a whole lot about really any of the groups groups involved as far as what they believe we were able to discern a little bit about it. If you wanna still weigh in on it you're certainly welcome to join us at ended up in a discussion about what is fascism versus socialism. These are two 'isms. I want nothing to do with agree. I just i just want a freedom yeah exactly instead of it's no oh apparently not apparently we can't just have freedom because it doesn't seem like that's what people really want. That's really sad they. They want somebody to tell them what to do. And tell elem everything will be okay or maybe they wanna. Tell people what to do. That's true too. I mean the proud boys apparently are all in favor of keeping women in the kitchen for instance since and there may be some women who want that role in which case that's fine if that's what you guys wanted to if that's what makes you feel happy then awesome go for it. I don't see any reason to protest that because it's a choice on both parties parts so that doesn't get me all whipped up like the fact that these guys want to go out and have have themselves an event and as we found out in the last hour according to the leader of the proud boys it was all about getting donald trump to acknowledge their existence. It wasn't about anything else but that right so i mean it just seems like a pointless thing to do but i guess that's what makes these people feel relevant or <hes> you know to to be acknowledged by the president well and when you add in antifa that's what really caused this. This would have been a non story of patriot. Prayer decided to have a prayer breakfast right. You've ever and antifa didn't show up right. There's there's no store. Somebody gave a speech. Everybody went home right. You know it's no they didn't call that they wouldn't have called out a thousand police according to the stories that that i've been hearing right a thousand cops that's a lot of police so tremendous taxpayer dollars were expanded to supposedly protect these groups from mitch other yeah and i think streets portland's portland had just does this. Every single time to a new public works project right. You know full employment of police. He's according to different stories change gears and get down to miami so all the way across the country from actually <hes>. Let's see it looks like the miami herald. Federal immigration agents are beefing up efforts to apprehend undocumented immigrants in south florida part of a nationwide effort to quote. Oh keep communities safe now didn't <hes> didn't the proud boys in their list of things that you were going through chris. Maybe ibm re recalling this incorrectly but weren't they against undocumented immigration but also against the government patriot prayer says that they wanted a a pathway to citizenship okay on violent imagery am immigrants. There wasn't anything in there about building a wall though now but you you know i. I don't know if they're opposed to that. In the past few weeks. Customs and border patrol officials have been spotted by commuters at greyhound bus stations across miami dade and broward county's asking just asking asking writers on board or in the process of boarding a bus proof of legal status doesn't like nazi germany when they wanted your papers absolutely no. They're not speaking german. Okay totally by. How is your seat okay. He's you find the bus. Okay jeff wealth asking it's just asking right when they've got their hand on their gun and they come up to you and say something like i'm going to have to ask to see your immigration papers. Yeah doesn't sound like asking does it when they do that because that's that's what's happening here. You know that's what's happening. They didn't come to this. They didn't come to this event without their sidearms on them. They didn't come not looking in like a thorough -tarian. You know police state goons. These people are trained to be intimidating. They're trained to get their way a through intimidation because they don't have any right to demand papers so they are just asking for the papers yeah just just wondering if you have them with you for those of you on the left i mean trump's numbers are getting pretty scary. As far as immigration goes by pretty scary i mean here's here's approaching you know obama levels of enforcement approaching obama levels so he hasn't exceeded obama levels. I don't know if he has yet right but it was always you know. Media makes it sound like it's way worse for the first couple years of trump's presidency. He was definitely lagging behind behind <hes> obama and you know. I don't know if he's if he's really surpassed it. Here's where libertarians are going to differ with you on the laughed and on the right this whole debate about immigration and open immigration versus closed immigration or pathway to citizenship borders are simply a they are a necessary component of a state. There has to be borders. You have to define your states states territories and they're your four. You're gonna defend it and i understand from a statist view this debate you gotta have it y- in really you should be in favor of closed borders if you believe in a state that there should be checkpoints and there should be vetting eighteen and things like that and that's one of the things they do agree on the left and the right absolutely agree with most of them with closed borders with border checkpoints with <hes> you know with with forms to fill out an attorneys to hire hoops to jump through in order to immigrate there may be some on the far left to support open borders <hes> but it certainly doesn't seem to be the majority of them dig up some obama quotes on on you know legal immigration. You know we've got to know who's coming into to this country. We we can't have people coming here for our welfare. They have to be offering us something. You know they've almost oh my god yeah. Yeah just just google bomb on immigration and it's not trump and obama. It's george w bush at the bill clone. It's you know jimmy carter. They all said the same thing. War is the health of the state and this is a war on people so we have the war on drugs. We have the the wars around the planet. We have the war on poverty and you have a war on immigration. You have a war on so called illegal immigration and it's expensive and then the more they spend the bigger bureaucracy becomes and the more power they have over people and that they do and they can you know pick and choose what they want to implement to support port their political base so you know this. This one's always interesting because there for a long time the republicans were very much catering drain to the latino vote and winning it. You know they did that very successfully. In the eighties and in in the nineties got the latino vote the democrats learn from that and now they're trying to steer this as you know republicans bad orangemen bad <hes> democrats good and you know no. It's just i i it amazes me that whole groups of people can be played this way you know. Are you sick of of just being upon. I see you as a person. People should stop being pawns in the hands of politicians. They played so easily a- and it's disgusting i mean these are real. People with real lives who should just be free to make a living. You know do their best have a beer at the end of the day. I'm sure you can make a living and have a beer at the end of the day. Just make sure you pay the government. I make sure you jump through all their hoops. They've got a bunch of hoops. They've put out for you to jump through. If you wanna come and do those things here otherwise you know the people who control the borders say that you'd better just stay home and drink beer where you're from right and uh-huh and never mind all all the economic arguments against strong you know anti immigration policies. I it's not good for america. Its meaning the argument that it hurts. Business at hurts does <hes> we should be inviting people. We should have welcome centers on our borders. You can check them out if you if you can find nine people that that are you know have a squeaky clean background. That's fine but you know we still need people to pick lettuce well. It doesn't feel welcoming when armed men demand papers from you i don. We're gonna continue here. Your thoughts welcome our toll free number's eight fifty five four fifty free. That's eight five five four five zero three seven even three three. You can bring up whatever's on your mind here. This is free talk live. I'm a little obsessed with my magic mud. Several oh years ago. I met jessica harmon the founder and c._e._o. My magic bud and i don't even know my teeth were coffee stained a week's worth of use convinced me and now i use it every three or four days. 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I wanted to talk to the quaker on your panel. Is there a quaker in the room tonight not nine martin's. He's you leave him a message. Well i mean i don't know it depends on what the messages i wanted. I just wanted to tell him. I love his oatmeal meal. Oh yeah that's awesome that all right. I want to say thank you for. Did i called john really appreciate people ate more oatmeal. They would be cleaned out and they wouldn't be f._o._x. And be happy then that line of suda it wouldn't be fighting because they wouldn't be all constipated cute just came to me people. I wanted to say those people in oregon because i think oregon's are pretty nice. I am from what do studio this. I am from origin so thank you and i think they're good people up there and it's kind of virgin country you know in west west means cowboy. You know yeah yeah yeah and and i think those people are coming in from outside causing trouble. I really do the when you think about cowboys and the traditional west you pretty much have to look to the eastern half of oregon and on the west coast of the far left side of oregon. It's much similar. It's like california. You know you have the big cities. They're all along the coastline and then interior. It's just farmers and stuff. I like that oregon's much the same way so washington washington seattle and then everything everything else jan. Thanks for the call tonight. I definitely appreciate is it as we go to. <hes> let's back to michigan. Where art is on the line. Hello art good evening. I i wanted to follow up a little about about pri a prison for liberty. We're trying to unite prisoners across the united states on the importance of educating other prisoners about the libertarian party because this this is the way that we can make a difference and because people that are incarcerated. They know how corrupt the system is. They know how corrupt corrupt government is so important <hes> people in the outside as well realize that they can get involved as well but simply just by supporting the libertarian party 'cause they're totally totally opposed to the corruption in the government <hes> they're totally opposed to mass incarceration and many of the other things that the government's doing that's that's really against freedom freedom and our liberty are can can you tell me a little bit about michigan. Does it have <hes>. Does it allow felons to vote. Yes it does once. You're on the outside outside majority of the states. Do there's only a handful that don't allow felons to vote somebody a yelling in the background. I'm just curious. Yeah we get prisoners all around the it's pretty typical for a jails actually quieter than i expected it to be. It actually sounds so muffled. It almost sounded it might have been coming from some other. You know sound element on the board so i just wanted to make sure because normally if somebody calls from a prison there's almost always shouting in the background and it's like really really loud. It's not necessarily a bad thing. Just serious isn't so bad so <hes> prisoners for liberty you know how do people out there. Get in touch because you guys don't the website i mean. How do you do this from the inside we we we've got there's a facebook <hes> website on that as well we started a gofundme dot com account as well <hes> but they can go to the facebook <hes> prisoner liberty and they can get some more information about us. <hes> and of course they can contact bradley just gave his information. They contact me as we go right on jay. Pay they have any questions they can actually say like j._p. Pay is <hes> is the way that way we can email back and forth emails the people on the outside information on the prisoners for liberty facebook page. Yes we have some of that on there for sure great <hes> but of course simply they just gogel who <hes> jay pay dot com and then they type in either bradley's number or my number two seven four two three seven and they can actually email us something as basically basically i could call them and then do you guys have pay per word on the email system. I think that's how the federal email system works. It's like twenty cents. Basically it's twenty cents for me to send <hes> <hes> send a like a five or ten page email but pretty recent. Hey three dollars michigan art. Thanks for the call tonight. Definitely appreciate hearing from you good good luck with the <hes> the prisoners for liberty appreciate that <hes> we got some great listeners in jail because they don't have anything else to do and j of course brought to you by secure so oh boy name the two largest prison phone service manufacturing or whatever companies you want to call them that just basically exists fleece prisoners in their loved ones from as much money as they can possibly get. Let's go to wayne. He's listening in aberdeen washington listening to katie k. w. hello wayne hey. How's it going tonight win. <hes> owner to speak briefly about fascists fascism please. <hes> the the term fascist <hes> comes from the words stick <hes> i guess the the italian or whatever group of bundled sticks x was one of their symbols yeah but basically is referred to the club and bay and it was the <hes> mussalini a <hes> version of the browns shirt out with their with their sticks and beat up anybody that opposed their point of a political point of view and so it and that's exactly what so called anti fascist anti fascist doing antiques is doing gene going around beating up any actually the fastest so you're saying that antifa has embraced the methods of the fascist and have basically they are fascists ashes and calling themselves anti-fascists chidi calling and calling them <hes> group of anti-fascists known as antifa if <hes> you're saying they have become what they supposedly hate. It's not that they have become. They have been really okay. Okay yeah and if you look at you know whole segments whole industries controlled by government which from an economic point of view was a cornerstone of of socialism socialism of the thought of fascism way industries controlled by government. Yes is that different from being owned by government now. No fascist didn't <music> own the means of production. They didn't own industries. The government told them everything to do. I see and you can see that under republicans and democrats you see just as much under democrat. Democrat administrations do republican wayne good call. Thanks for sharing that tonight. I definitely appreciate it. Our toll free number's eight fifty five four fifty free. That's that's eight five five four five zero three seven three three. We're gonna continue here and if you're on the line. 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I'm a proud pledge myself really all the rumors. You've been hearing guessing hurt all the rumors you hear on the news about them being white supremacist group is a load owed alarm okay. That's what it says on their front page they are. They are pro all races yeah they are. They're they're the big thing about the about. The problem is it's. It's a it's an idea to get me into men instead of being these little beta boys lately <hes>. Why didn't they call themselves. Men well in question for me. <hes> i find it. You know the issues not with the name of it. It's <hes> i for myself. It's more about being a stronger stronger more of an alpha male trying to be too over the top but at the same time you people better start growing pair depend lots of speakers that have come out and said you know men need to take charge. I mean there was a a black movement several years ago. That was promoting this young. Yeah men need to be the leaders of their families like they had been the past right. It's a it's become a bit of a problem album and even for me. I spent sixteen years in the military and <hes> you know with all the craziness. That's going on right now and i. I used to be a hard core liberal <hes> when i was in college what have you went to school of the arts. In north carolina <hes> graduated from chapel hill very liberal college as well but it's at the military for me to wake up to be a man and when i went to the military i went into combat photography and ended up coming out. I was para-rescue in the air force and <hes> so this real high risk rescue operations for for many years there and that's basically what really changed my mindset mindset a bit. So what does it mean proud boy <hes>. I mean everything that you read right now. I'm just cut a pledged right takes a while to get in with. These guys really work it. It's tough. I mean <hes> contact with them. Part secretive like the masons or is it kind of. Could you talk about it and hoping like that <hes> it's a boy roy had it's almost like it's almost like being in a bike club but it's not by club <hes> if you're a really to read the biology and what the problems are about and really read it in detail you'll get better and it's because it's quite quite extensive but the big push there is is who hold on let me through the process here so did you reach out to a local proud boys group and say you're interested in joining and they said all right well read our bylaws and then fill out a form. I mean what's this you know. How does it happen. You change a tire in front of them. I mean well. It's not even that simple you actually have to go to their main website and application and you have to really get down into the nitty eighty greedy why you want to join you know they're trying to filter out infiltrators with this process absolutely <hes> especially with antifa <hes> most of these cats running around screaming and calling other people fascist visit the other. I say i ah been a leftist most of my wife but it was it was under barack obama and i voted for obama twice and i regret every minute of it <hes> and and the bad thing there is is that he was on that really started pushing the 'isms <hes> around our country and i've seen it firsthand a lot of people. Don't get really truly what's going on right now and i hate to say they're communism is being pushed in our country hardcore and it and it's partly why i decided to join the cowboys myself was because i've seen what they were doing with. Their political activists are they far right is that that's how they're being described. Is it ahead. That's what the every everything with the news media and i work in the entertainment business myself. I work in the film and t._v. Business and <hes> the bad thing is is that the business a narrative that's being pushed by the media the media and by the politicians basically nuclear what the media and the politicians are doing are arwa what the the extremist do in other countries then other countries that that are under fascist rule or communist rule or whatever trying i'm to save people from these types of tyrannical governments before and <hes> and you know americans hate to say a lot of americans just sit there and preaches nonsense to to the people have never even pen to a communist country. I've never been to fascist country. Have never you mean the socialist list people. They haven't gone to former soviet russia. They didn't live there and they didn't. They don't live in venezuela right so they're just talking out of ignorance basically so are are the proud boys. Supporters are the proud boys supporters of state. Ism believe it'd it'd be a strong u._s. Government <hes> now. Here's the deal here's what my understanding about the universe this is right and the extreme left you have anarchy and extreme-right you have anarchy and then the dead center between the two left and right. You have totalitarianism china's where it's hard coolest me to keep going basically. You're if you're if if you're an anarchist you don't believe in any government at all doors tearing ism well. You know it's just kind of like going hand in hand with everything we do here in this country a lot of things that we do here now that is socialism and pushes on the border borderlines of communism if you can hang on. I want you to stick with us as you know we've got a. He's not a proud boy yet but he's a proud boy. 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Yeah he was making making clear that they are not in favor of 'isms and one of the 'isms that we talk a lot about is state. Ism the belief that government can do a better job than you s. numbers so what you're saying is there's actually you're enforcement actions now or pure successful enforcement well warranted argue the maybe maybe there's just less illegal immigration i if you were constant on your forcement actions through all this and i got to think that the budgets have dropped so is this just measuring deportations or people being questioned deportations or how did they put it close the damn page they had deportations and they had a separate removals up. That's the same thing they there was another. There was something else on their backup yeah so let me tell you a little bit more about this. The presence of immigration officials conducting quote strength transportation checks at transit hotspots isn't necessarily new however c._b.'s enforcement operations as well as missions by ice have been exponentially ramped up by the trump administration ministration. They claim as part of the president's vision to fix the country's broken immigration system. You're saying that's just a straight up lie according to the data chris risk because here's the media in form the miami herald and and posted on microsoft's website right that <hes> it has been exponentially ramped up that these missions they well okay. They're doing lots of missions that aren't successful the numbers aren't hidden and and i got this the the charts and things like that from originally from an article how 'bout how obama or how excuse me biden is under fire fire from lots on the left because he supported obama's deportations and mike and when they called obama the reporter in chief that was a nickname forgot yeah so i don't know you know you're throwing people out left and right. You're saying and you're doing it more than anybody else but your predecessor who constantly criticize did a better job of it than you sorry trump trump you gotta gotta beef it up if you're ultimately maybe that's all that really matters right for trump is well. We've got more missions. We've we've got more bureaucrats going on more missions. They're looking. They're out there. They're worried we've made the bureaucracy bigger see more enforcement and then you know they are getting publicity around the various different enforcements that they are attempting to do and some of them successfully doing and that's ultimately what matters to trump right is what people perceive seve not necessarily what the reality is. The perception is <hes> that <hes> exponentially increased and so therefore people will jump to the conclusion asian that well more enforcement must mean more arrests but you're saying that's not what's happening yeah. These charts are the information. The data comes to us from the u._s. Department of homeland homeland security the the slides are put together by believe it or not c._n._n. That's where the story was titled. Yes obama deported more people than trump trump. The context is everything trump's still evil so don't don't lose sight of that but under <hes> in two thousand and under george bush ah shoe had deportations they they say removals or returns off lunga what but they returned over one point six million million people to their country of origin that is down to around one hundred seventy five thousand estimate tenth as far as removals which i would call a deportation. <hes> obama hit highs well over four hundred thousand <hes> trump has has never passed two hundred thousand so quote people know that people can't fly because of their legal status. So what do they do. They take trains or greyhound buses. This is known especially to ice and see b._p. Said a prominent south florida immigration attorney who sits on the board of the american immigration lawyers association and as we talked about previously greyhound does have some you know your rights information out there so i'm really glad to see that's happening so so that they can inform people of what their rights are. People don't know you're not being taught in government school how how to turn down a police offer of search you know because when they ask you if they can search or when they ask you for your papers that usually means they don't have a legal right to know like under their own system. They don't have have enough evidence to suspect you to actually search you. They don't have enough probable cause to actually search you with you know just because they have to ask for permission. They don't have the ability to demand your i._d. Now in some states they they actually canceled like state police or whatever can demand identification but but these the federal guys don't have the ability to demand it necessarily because you're not at the border but you need to learn how to say no to that yeah <hes> and they need to make sure that's in multiple languages because a lot of these people they're. They're not even from the country if they are here. Illegally they probably have have a cursory knowledge of what their rights may be <hes> and that's it and they're they're gonna be vulnerable c._b. Agents according to federal law don't don't need a warrant cook to quote within a reasonable distance from any external boundary of united states to board and search for aliens in any vessel within the territorial waters of the united added states in any railcar aircraft conveyance or vehicle meaning they could board your vehicle and search for aliens anytime they they want to hearing keene new hampshire absolutely but that does not mean that they can demand you. Show them your identification correct. They don't have the right to search search in your pockets for that. I'm not an attorney but that's just you know. That's my understanding of these. These situations and i'll tell you that the time that we went through some of the freetalklive talk live co host some of the folks from forecast. A couple of years ago went through an immigration checkpoint inside new hampshire. They didn't want to do anything thing to us once they saw the cameras that was it so cameras moral story well yeah if you've got video than you actually have evidence of what it was the the transpired and then it's not just your word versus. There's about what allegedly happened there so of course if c._b._c. p._b. Or ep or whatever they whoever they are these goons uh-huh if they come onto a bus where you're on pull out your camera right get these people on the record and you know if you feel comfortable doing wing it. Ask them some questions and if you feel like you. Are you know you know your rights and you want other people to know their rights. You don't have to be all why agents people walk into a courtroom pal why it's like this weird religious thing. You don't have to be quiet with these agents around you can say out loud. Hey hey everybody make sure you record video. You can say hey don't forget your rights are to you don't have to show i._d. To these people don't have to show i._d. You don't have to let them search you. You can just you can just announce things like that. In these circumstances and let people know. I think more people did that. People will be people being more aware wear their rights and the goons would stop hopefully harassing people but would they stop. They have a tendency to pick on people the ones they think think they can get away with but certainly if they were being turned away at every bus yeah then they might actually they might actually give up at some point one would hope but the likelihood that that's it's going to happen anytime. Soon is pretty slim. Hey thanks for joining me guys here tonight. Pleasure checkout riley's daily digest of free talk live good of feeds dot freetalklive dot com boils down three hour long radio show into about a thirty minute highlights reel so check that out and we'll see you tomorrow and you can join us online over at freetalklive. 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Get not ah all right and welcome everyone to this. Latest pre recorded of sort of questioning authority <hes> yes. I'm sorry for <hes> for everyone. Who's been you know waiting on an episode i know it was. I didn't intend on last week and the week before both being <hes> <hes> reruns pretty much reruns. You know the thing. I hate the worst watching t._v. So sorry about that. It's just i'm only spend a minute talking about this. Things haven't exactly been going right. I've been very sad recently this month but <hes> i'll be back in keene in about a week actually yeah exactly in a week and <hes> you know no matter what you know that always tends to bring up my mood. I enjoy being being able to just go back to work back in the saddle again have a purpose. You know so yeah i don't like. I don't really really think much is going to get better but you know you never know. What's going to happen so anyway so i have an episode to today and jeez. I mean that part of what really sucked not doing an episode last week was the whole fucking killing himself right before i normally would excuse me killing himself in quotes. Were literally right before i was you know right before ten pm on a saturday so that sorta sucks but you know i mean i've been talking talking about it so much but people are probably sick of. It and i don't really know what's going on in regards to that because even i was watching fox's my dad yesterday a. and the literal text that always crawls underneath the video the it said that even for the always official corners corners and stuff saying that epstein's wounds right around his neck are more indicative of strangulation homicide and and then suicide so go go figure go figure for that so turn up the levels here all right so instead of talking about the news and serving all when the recession and the election and frago cuomo and all of this. I decided let's have a book people watching too much t._v. Looking too much screen time. I think think i saw in drudge. It said that children more and more and more young people are needing classes because all screen time and you know people don't read enough books so today is going to be the q._a. Book club special that's right. I went through my dad's amateur library here he is sort of. I guess it's sort veyron it's ironic iconic. It's like you know of a contradiction of modern day boomer because he his bookshelf is. I don't know if the official name for it but it's also where t._v. Is it's very very beautiful and now probably won't make i won't be interesting but and so a t._v. Is surrounded by two cabinets filled with books and like i recognize some of those books like a decade ago where he got it as a gift from a family bernie just never got around to reading it but what inspired me was you know so my father he versus over something called act for america which is is i guess it's like an anti radical islam group or something and <unk> versus. One woman named brigid gabriel who gave apparently a new york times bestselling author and somewhere. I heard you know i mean this is just speculation but whenever i'd remember whenever i'd noticed my dad watching fox news they'd have a guest on or you know they say oh you know greg jarrett his his book is new york times bestseller. You bill o'reilly would have always quote bestsellers and end somewhere. I read that would what reason why we get on the bestseller. List is because whatever company that's behind them like if it's a coke rubbers or the heritage foundation or something think they in fact by up books had to turn a gain down so that their company in fact spies fair books which is why they always end up on the <hes> bestselling list not because i don't think we're good or anything he just. I just don't think that many people apple read anymore or buy books. Bill o'reilly had killing franchise killing linkin killing kennedy killing jesus killing hitler and i'm like are are his this fan so sieve sycophantic that they're gonna like buy literally all of his hardcover books so anyways this is book my dad he bought the book and i think it was in exchange to get into the event and it was signed by this lady so and it was a book is titled rise in defense of judeo christian values and freedom actually before i even even get into that so i have quite a few of these books here i have. I'd say diverse <hes> diverse assortment. I decide to avoid some of a more in-depth history history books. Just because you know it's boring doesn't make good radio. I'm not gonna read the entire book on the air on discussing to read like you know about the offer a blurb and maybe be an introduction the first time time and then finally as a special treat in exchange for sitting through obvious. I'm gonna be providing my commentary. I mean some of these books are ridiculous but or concepts of the book are ridiculous at the very end speaking of ridiculousness. I will read you know after getting for all his hard reading. I'll give you all some light reading and i'm going to read elizabeth. Elizabeth warren storybook her her <unk> fy book. Which is a this just in the classroom. I worked in they. Had you know book. I think it's called like she persisted or whatever ever and it's a it's like a fairy tale version of elizabeth warren is life now not because it before the twenty twenty election actually not because it's like birds magic or so venue of a magic of socialism and how was she thinks he can work but it's just like white. No pun intended a very whitewashed story of her history so we're gonna say that for v end. I have here book liberal fascism by jona goldburg or go. What are you know another new york times bestseller. I have let's see here. My dad actually had this one for so long. He lost the cover liberty so you liberty and tyranny by mark levin a conservative manifesto. We have one america alone the end of the world as we know it by mark stein nina can get into that to save a cover has u._s. Flag <hes> planted in the united states and the islamic crescent flag with a sword planted in every other country around it. So you know you can only guess what this book's going to be about. I have are we rome which is one i actually wanted to read myself and it's about the fall of an empire in the fate of america and then finally i have this one which i'm probably going to read the least from brazil i mean since i'm not taking calls to be unfair but this book sculpture people versus muhammad psychological analysis the shocking evidence which exposes his catalog of mental illnesses psychopaths sex addict schizophrenic arctic and more by j k scheindlin and this is this is the only one to the best of my knowledge that is self published visits in a soft back so in time. We have left for this segment. I'm going to <hes> oh yeah and i will be back ieuan. Let something bad happens like i die or something thing. I shouldn't jinx it. I will be back. Let's see once next saturday saturday. Is i believe the twenty four if i will be back in studio joe saturday the twenty four from looking forward to it. I'm you know i mean i guess technically. I guess this is like the last summer where i mean education location right so the last quote summer vacation. Even notes called summer semester but i'm just so glad it's coming to an end. I mean like i don't know what to do with myself. I'm not working. I live in such a rural area that it was a difficult really do anything else except was i did theater in the second half of the summer and worked in the first half and and obviously went to went to france and four best yeah i mean i guess sort of this is via transition shen from me in from you know a college student into a joyless adults. Really i mean like i know i was sort of vague earlier but pretty much chaffee about being sad. It's like everything everything that i was afraid of happening. When i was younger when i was a child and a teenager has had pretty much happens or uh not has is happening now so yes i have to. I have to deal with that but you know i mean that's that's the important thing to have to deal with that. I have to live through at the important thing is that i have to live so that's part of living and christ crisis risen and i have hoped for that <hes> you know if i don't have any hope in this world have hope for the next so anyways when we come back we'll be getting into a rise in defensive judeo quote judeo christian in values and freedom began to liberal fascism and much more business question forty and i have a few seconds so i'm going to hold this out for as long as possible. Are you tired tired of governments murdering people around the world stop using their money. There is an alternative bitcoin is a stateless free-market non-political currency. Z. bitcoin cannot be inflated or controlled by any government by using their money. You're helping. The state stopped doing it. You have an incredible alternative available available now. Learn it use it spread. It get started with bitcoin at bitcoin dot com. That's bitcoin dot com from that romantic summer evening. 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To learn how broadcast dot l. r. n. dot f._m. All right and welcome back everyone to this <hes> question authority book club special and i actually wanted to do this for a while. I just never got a chance and you know my dad has more interesting and colorful books and i do so i'm going to get into this might my father's most recent acquisition into his his library here here rise in defense of judeo christian values and freedom by bridget gabrielle and before i get into it. I probably should just read about the offer here so we have bridge. Every al is one of the leading terrorism experts in the world providing information and analysis on the rise of global islamic terrorism. She lectures nationally. She lectures nationally and internationally about terrorism and current affairs. She has addressed the united nations members of the u._s. Congress the pentagon. The joint forces staff college the u._s. Special operations command the f._b._i. And many others in addition gabrielle is a regular <unk> guest analyst on fox news c._n._n. M._s._n._b._c. okay. That's enough to discredit a right then and there in radio stations across america. She is the founder manchester chairman <hes> gee. That's very gendered language. I think may mean chairwoman or chairperson chairman of act for america the largest national security pretty grassroots organization with almost one million members dedicated keeping america and its citizens safe from foreign and domestic threats. Gabrielle is the author of two new york times bestsellers sellers because they hate and vay must be stopped so now the blurb here about what the book is about and and it's sort of like i imagined it's before reading this that i didn't read all of it but it would just be like non just nonstop talking about islam but it's interesting. She's dancing around dancing around around the issue this okay so if this book is critical to your family and your personal freedom will you sit back and watch greatest country our world has ever seen slowly holy fade or will you rise so as if it's already sounding like an onta thing issuing a bold wakeup call to america new york times bestselling offer bridget gabrielle reveals people organizations and forces at work to dismantle our judeo christian values and freedom destabilize threaten our national security security and radically redefine our very way of life in rise. Gabrielle does more of an inform you. She empowers you by providing a plan for preserving your freedom before before it's too late educating you on how do identify behaviors and ideas i could frighten the local community and ultimately national security okay so there's pretty much see something say they something then motivated you motivating you to unite with other patriots who wished to preserve our endangered judeo christian values helping you understand what you can do to fight the forces aim to undermine our nation so and i just want to say about last one could be it could be an anti semitic dog whistle but i just want to say you want to talk about like judeo christian values and how it just like a such a such an empty hollow fabrication location where it's like. I hear my dad say all the time gov ezio. He's muslims want to destroy our judeo christian values and it's like well you know let's let's say let's use in the united night well first off. I mean just yeah judeo christian. I mean it's like if i'm trump trying to find a way it's like our water oil values i mean for we're just two things that are impossible to combine and people say oh jesus was you know jesus was son of god jesus was the geez was was beloved of god so it's like people say try to use the fact that you know if it happened to be even you'll because jesus was born a vic line. He was you know his physical body. Auty was a descent it was you know as came from was obliged of david bad. You know somehow that means. He's not god he was just an ethnic jew. That's it's what they mean right. Whenever christian say oh jesus was a jew. It's like well. No i mean he. He was the son of god he pretty. He predates judah the son of son son of joseph who you know where we get the word jews from judah so already you know number one. That's out number two. I mean it was the <hes> <hes> it was the jewish religious leaders who led the persecution and murder of jesus not to jewish people but you know the pharisees at the time so it's all right and envy <hes> for was darah rabbinical judaism which i believe is the most <hes> which is the most popular form of judaism today or the successors to the pharisees so i mean even today and if you look into the talmud and see what they say about jesus it's awful they call him the son of the bastard son of a roman soldier and he was he was a magician and t- you know he's right now in hell boiling in a cauldron of excrement and all sorts awful thing so it just absolutely ridiculous judeo-christian thing and then if most christians knew what the talmadge what salvat said about jesus and what some of the the more i guess if like ben shapiro some slight ben shapiro who said that he viewed jesus being terrorist and or a bandit is so ridiculous anyway so that's all i'm going to spend all day talking about that so i'm just gonna i obviously i'm not going to read this whole thing so i'm just gonna go to my dad has a bookmark here. <hes> okay all right. Let's see your it's not it's this. This is on page fifteen the cost of terror. It's if that's not enough costs of post nine eleven wars are predicted to total more than a mind boggling five point six trillion dollars by the end of twenty eighteen yeah well whose fault is that how much of money came out of your pocket v. average amount every single american taxpayer has already spent meant fighting islamic terrorism since two thousand one is twenty three thousand three hundred eighty six dollars so no it hasn't been spent fighting his it's been spent replacing five thousand dollar toilet seats as the pentagon budget stuff goes is gonna blow destabilizing secular secular regimes like assad regime said i'm hussein's regime gaddafi's regime the who've iranians aren't aren't secular actually so so not at them so i mean here go that's money out of your pocket and the pockets of your children and grandchildren all which has left us fighting the exact same enemy and arguably probably more vulnerable than ever before think about that for a moment that's almost one hundred thousand dollars out of a bank account of a family of four at tha that grandparents aunts uncles else cousins and other extended family members and a number becomes astronomical so she's continuing doing math here. Just i guess it is obviously written for boomers just so to get them to be obsessed over money. Even though the government could literally just type in whatever number of <hes> money they wanted to bank accounts and the federal reserve will give it to him and you know the grandchildren thing to me. Voca boca evoke emotional emotional response we were advised by radical islamic lobby organizations in america with the obama white house welcoming the individuals associated with groups such as a council on american islamic relations cair and the islamic society of north america. I have to say in regards to care. I i've even heard will coley say negative things about linda sarsour so it looks like everyone could agree there so that's really all i'm gonna read from it just because it looks like she takes forever to get to appoint like if you go into the back like from page one ninety-six to page two hundred and forty six to two hundred and forty forty. It's all annotation so i'm just going to finish by reading here. This is what some <hes> people had to say about sean hannity see here it is our responsibility to recognizing confront evil in the world and i'm convinced that if we fail this mission will lead to disaster. That's why applaud bridget for writing rise. If you're certain american who wants to know the truth you need need to read this book and now judge janine piero. Who's a huge zionist. Schill rises a must read for every american who senses a perilous path or on wants to do bear part to change the course of our country and that's literally how she sounds all right so <hes> when we come back. I'm going to be getting into more interesting fair going to be getting into liberal fascism. I'm going to be reading some excerpts from that and <hes> yeah a liberal fascism and the people vs mohammed. Don't go away. We'll be right back since time signed. Began tyrants have taken that personal liberties now. 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I i wonder if <hes> oh here's this here's the of the sub head the secret history of the american left from mussolini the politics of change with a new afterward award so this is actually the most beat up book bennett will be reading from my dad's <hes> library cautiously. When did he buy this why i can't find the pretty old pretty it's pretty old. Wonder what kant would have to think about this book anyways so just going to begin so i'm just gonna read the blurb into back act to begin with so the new york sun is described it as brilliant it's insightful and important fierce funny and controversial ursel jonah goldberg's number one new york times bestseller traces fascism back to it's surprising roots in liberalism since horizon fall of a nazis. His fascism has seen as has been seen as an extreme right-wing phenomenon. Whoever real fascist today liberal fascism exposes for shocking links between the fascism of mussolini and hitler and modern day liberalism covering such hot issues of morality science versus religion healthcare and cultural values. Jonah goldberg reminds us that fascism was born on the left and today's left retains of disturbing family resemblance in fact the modern ears of his dictatorial doctrine include the new york times the liberals of hollywood and the democratic party now in a sm- smart new afterward goldberg takes account of brock obama <hes> in his politics of change showing the new president's ideas aren't so new after all in at liberal fascism is alive and well in the age of barack so yeah and to hear go talks about the the offer. Jody goldberg is a columnist from los angeles times and a contributing editor to national review you and he lives washington d._c. And the birds a sticker that blocks the rest of it so. I can't read versus bio but it was short so oh okay here we go so my dad has like a by. He has a lot of things highlighted in this so i'm just going to be going through and reading some highlighted things so here we go. Mussalini did not move fascism visits from mussalini father fascism page forty forty-seven mislead did not move fascism from left to right. He moved it from socialist. Populist in unwieldly phenomenon populism has never been known as a conservative or ring orientation before and is because so many were determined to label fascism right wing populism under mussalini was redefined as such. I wonder what what he would have to say about trump because like i think the thing that i hear described how trump most ravaged like i haven't heard him described as right wing very often or conservative very often. It's it's populist by the by the fatman but it's an and i mean i'm inclined to agree. It's like you know he says all the stuff at the base ace wants to hear but then when it comes to action he doesn't do anything after all the notion that political power is and should be vested in the the people was a classical liberal position. Populism was a more radical version of his position. It's still a power to the people ideology but is skeptical of the parliamentary machinery three of conventional liberalism e._g. Checks and balances in the united states for populists always a force on the left in nineteenth and early twentieth centuries push for such such reforms as direct elections of senators the nationalization of industry and banking again to both bad terrible things which i mean maybe if we're using that again with with trump now because you have his base like people formerly pro freedom people jones who are calling for you know internet in internet bill of rights which pretty much you no says government allowed to determine what's can and cannot be said on the internet and <hes> yeah i mean we're just you know it's like just demanding the government to get involved in in free speech so direct direct democracy and nationalization were two of the main planks of the fascist agenda. Mussalini mussalini stopped calling it. Il popolo d'italia a socialist daily in favor of a producers daily. The popular sought to expand the scope of government in order to smash the economic royalists and help the little guy in my dad had that highlighted highlighted so it's interesting. I sort of wish he was here right now. He's he's getting his vehicle. Check just to <hes> realize some of this so some highlights from a program program of alive to have two previous page to see what he's done. Oh yeah so some of what was is it. Mussolini's of program original program was lowering the minimum voting age to eighteen the minimum minimum age for representatives to twenty-five and universal suffrage for women the abolition of the senate and creation of a national technical council on intellectual in manual manual labor industry commerce and culture end of a draft repeal of titles of nobility a minimum wage chretien of vari various various government bodies run by workers representatives the obligation of the state to build a rigidly secular schools for raising of proletariates moral and cultural condition listen a large progressive tax on capital that would amount to a one time partial expropriation of all riches the nationalization socialization of all arms and explosive industries yeah that was back when you could just go to the store and bhai dynamite or blasting caps at least in the u._s. The reform of the old age pension system in the establishment of age limits for hazardous work so yeah i mean this is a lot of his stuff is already happening in the states. We're gonna go to be afterward can't find it going to read the beginning of the afterward here. Hearing the politics of change this book is entirely about the politics of change wherever it was softer fascism of the new dealers or the evil totalitarianism of the nazis change has been the lodestar of every fascist movement from the jacob into the weather underground. The fundamental political aspiration nation was a do over to begin fresh from years zero progressives believed it was time to exercise the old constitution in contra new living constitution. What was the new deal well. If not well a new deal do over a fresh start and i mean obviously with barack obama you know his whole thing of hope and change fit into that but i mean with trump or maybe it's my dad's not here is he would just constantly shout at me for criticizing. I mean with trump. It's sort of similar acceptance of saying changes make america great again so oh he doesn't use the word change but that evokes idea of change and assuming that that describes what he's doing <hes> yeah yeah i mean that's that's <hes> very greatly describes what he's doing here unity. This never highlighted passage unity for obama. The greatest political virtue is unity. Unity is great great need of the hour. Obama often poor claimed on the stump obama has an answer we need unity not because it sounds pleasant or because it makes us feel good but because it's the only way we could overcome the essential empathy deficit that exists in our country. This idea better described as a sentiment that unity in and of itself has curative redemptive powers is essentially fascistic it underlies hillary clinton's policies of meaning in her concept upped of the all inclusive village. It was a hard mussolini's definition of fascism as everything within the state nothing outside of the state it drove hitler's relentless campaign for a a single boy volks your mind schaaf and vanu dealers quest for eight national community it girded everything progressives believed in unity first individualism the last or not at all and here you see that with trump <hes> you see that with trump where he says oh you know we're all americans and these people may hate. They hate israel. They hate america always in that order when he talks about the squad in any actually someone brought up a very interesting point about the squad is the squad itself is racist because it's <hes> group. Doesn't you know it's group is all people of similar shade of brown right. They don't have any very very dark skinned people or very light skinned people like white so you know the new inova squad is very very racist and sexist is all made <unk> out of women so they should go. They're living in a glass house. See here this bad better dead air. Let's see what else to read here all right. I'll just read a son anyways. That's that's that's all. I'm going to read from that interesting book. Recommend you read it so next. We have the people vs mohammed comet these psychological analysis plus america alone because you know if i have more than one islamophobic book per segment people are gonna freak out but the question for you don't go away we sell for one. One is a free app for android android and i._o._s. 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His books are anti islamic extremists but many times these offer conflates but to and i asked my father ed white man like islam is to my dad as jews to can't well pretty much and so i said to my dad like you know why why why do you feel this way about him and my father is explanation is and i've heard heard of her family members corroborate this my father in the i don't know exactly what i forget what decade it was my father used to work in defense contracting contracting and he so if a company he he worked for sold weapons to both sides of the israeli arab conflict and so my dad obviously so i realize allies like oh my god. He obviously has a conflict of interest. You're probably because the most money he ever made was during this period. When reagan was was having the military buildup and that's what my dad defends neo cons john bolton and everything because they they gave him a job so anyways here we go. I'm going to read the people vs muhammad tom so this is a huge blurb on the back. So you're ago <hes> it begins with a quote here karan three one five one quote i shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve in blur begins is islamic quote religion of peace was mohammed. Vi true and final prophet off of god is a korean fulfillment of bible in legitimately continuing the traditions of a judeo judeo christian scriptures. No you have the jewish scriptures. I which is what we call the old testament and the christian scriptures will be called a gospel. Get it right. Perhaps one of the most audacious shocking unthinkable and highly controversial auburn now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with dominion energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. 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