19 Burst results for "American Humanist Association"

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

05:03 min | Last month

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"This kind of change. And i i have a special highlight on a representative jamie raskin. Who's done so much. Good for humanism. Both at the state level in maryland where e came from and as a representative in the house. Now today interesting to see that Someone who embraces humanism is involved in the halls of governments. People have asked me. Do you think we'll ever see atheist president. Of course my first response is oh. We've had an atheist president. They just knew better than to commit political suicide right but the normalization of the atheist and or humanist at the highest levels of governments. I'd like to think we'll see that in our lifetime. Raskin another pavement away right absolutely. It's happening faster than people realize even on the especially on the hill you know. We're some folks still think might be political suicide but we've done surveys and if you're a have you happen to be a democrat who is pro choice and pro. Lgbt rights if you then say by the way. I happened to be atheist it has almost zero effect on your electric. According to our survey work and so there is folks who can come out and be open about it about representative. Huffman from california is Very open about his non theism and humanism and his co chairs along with representative raskin of the congressional free thought caucus. Which is something i go into. I think for the very first time. A great deal of depth as to how that came to be who said what how it happened in the book. Trust the center humanism. I go into that as well. It's interesting for a guy who hosts the show with atheist title. I'm not really an atheist. I i'd like to think. I'm a humanist. I've come to the point where i'm like. I'm a humanist i like i don't believe in god's does not really define anything else about me and some people get irritated with me when i talk about social justice issues because they hear the word social justice and they immediately flip out and they get into the yesterday w and they get into all the other i mean i just i just wanted to. Everybody take a breath. Everybody stop and let's talk about. Essentially what is humanism right. The rights of our fellow human beings to live in this world to have the basic rights that we do have human dignity to have the opportunities that we do. I was shocked to Come to the realization. You know not all atheists are humanist. That was a revelation. I was so ignorant so naive. Karl rove is popularly a atheist row. They used you know there are folks who are objectives. Who believe you know. Very strict rigid Society who are atheists. I think it is an important part of who we are. I think atheism does lean one automatically a bit toward humanism. But it doesn't make what if this it opens the door. Certainly if i don't have all the other baggage i'm not looking through the religious land kind of distorted lens to route myself in reality. I think it is a lot more natural to begin to find human-to-human solutions in this very real world. So i take your point of the book. Justice centered humanism. How and why to engage in public policy for good humanism in practice. That's phrase. i like it now. we can talk about it. Let's try to get out and do it. How can we help you man. How can we help the american humanist association and the cause in general. I think getting involved whether you're getting involved online or whether you're seeking to support and become a member that's terrific get involved in the local groups. There's hundreds across the country. You can join these things matter and the numbers matter and when we go into the hall of justice and say hey we represent this community and these numbers they listen and they're they're very very interested in the small amount of support. One thing one little tidbit. That i learned in the political halls is that a little bit of support goes a long way if somebody gives a small amount of campaign contribution directly to a candidate. They're in a very small percentage of people in that constituency base and they get listened to a small donation doesn't have to be big. You don't have to billions you. Don't have to thousands hundreds they care and it's not because they're so desperate for money they wanna do the right thing and they want to know that there are people out there who can support them doing the right thing so i think that's something to keep in mind. I think we're becoming a much too great or much too. Numerous demographic to ignore. Certainly we have to let them know that we are here and we are watching and we are listening and we are interested. My hope is we will be interested and engaged. I know the american humanist association is on a day by day basis the website american humanist dot org and roy spec heart the executive director of the a h a and honor to speak with. You thank you so much for your work. Let's talk soon okay. Mic atheist on facebook and twitter for complete archive of podcasts and videos products like.

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

08:11 min | Last month

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Let's face it especially if you're progressive individual if you're lgbtq if you're caller there's so many things that have problems with religion and so leaving that is having experienced that harm. It's hard to jump into a community. Looks in any way like religion and so i think that is a real challenge for us to overcome. I think it may be a special situation for our generation however because there are so many more people are growing up without religion. And who are nonreligious as you mentioned earlier about the young folks who are you know a third of whom are not religious in college entering college and then of course if you look at any study the longer you're in college less religious you are so we're going to have like half of the population non-religious before we know it among young folks at least and then we're going to see the following generation that were raised by parents who were not in religion. It's not a big deal to a community and so the but how are we going to make it from here to there. I don't know why this dark. But i heard somebody say that a couple of generations are just going to have to die off like and that's a little bit pessimistic. I'm hoping that you know all right. We don't need all the people with bad ideas in this way or a great many of them the majority to pass away of old age peacefully in their sleep or whatever for us to achieve positive change. But i understand the spirit of what they're saying right because many of them are dragging in antiquated ideas and those ideas vote and they influenced cultures cetera. You have written a book called creating change through humanism. What kind of change. How do you define humanism. I mean give me the cliffs notes man. Well a humanism is the not so radical idea that you can be good without a gun but it's a little more than that because folks sometimes are acquaintance with anti theorists people who which you know some of us in even even most of us might feel that way once in a while but anti theism doesn't define what humanism is even if we are that way once in a while or some of us focused more on it. Religious humanism isn't part of what defines humanism even though some people might view their humanism as a religion of sorts. But it's hard to call it a religion when it's got nothing supernatural no praying to god's no devotion to ancient texts so it's a really kind of a unique thing a lot of people some people call it a life stance there humanist values and i think that's not a bad fit because it's a broad spectrum worldview opportunity for humanists i think it really rests on three pillars one being the pillar of reason and science. This is where we get our knowledge. This is our epistemology. This is what we accept his true or not true based on studies based on evidence not based on divine revelation or ancient texts. That's he pillar. But also i think is important is something that flows from empathy. I think to some degree which is compassion for others and also slowing from empathy is egalitarian. Is you know we'd have the sense that we're all basically equal here and that we all have a chance to do good in the world and that we shouldn't be discriminating against people just because of their group status and i think those three pillars from them. You can kinda come to any of the progressive humanist values that are espoused by either the american humanist association american ethical union and the other groups that are out there doing the good work. It's interesting when you eliminate this sort of distraction. These supernatural distraction. I mean i come out of a culture where oh we need to solve the world's problems world hunger or suffering or you know we need to see our government agents politicians world leaders doing this or that you know we just drop to your knees. You say a prayer dear lord please help the people and we sort of told ourselves that we'd made a difference and one thing i like about your definition of humanism is that it's It embraces the idea that you know anyone's going to solve our problems it's gotta be us. I also have other people who tell me. Why does it matter what people believe and we say we'll beliefs ripple out as actions right. It's someone's belief that keeps them from vaccinating their children during a pandemic it. It's their belief that causes them to construct foreign policy about places like israel it's belief that causes parents to frighten children with eternal damnation and hellfire. It's it's belief that causes tribal walls to go up other religion sexual identities nations etc. I mean beliefs matter. And i'm all about rooting ourselves in the real world and so i really liked the fact that. Ha a has a focus on planning our feet right here on terra firma. Definitely i think that there are group's out there and they do good work that too but that focus on while only what you do matters does matter what you believe and i think you know. There's village eighty two that you're doing good work. Everyone's getting along. We're trying to make the world better. That's nice but it has a slippery slope effect in my experience. People who don't round their actions in a firm set of ethical and reason based foundation of beliefs can easily slip into prejudices into societal biases can easily go to places where they shouldn't go just thinking that oh will. This is the modern trend. This is my knee jerk ideology. I must follow it without having that foundation and reason and science and and doing good in this world is open to a lot of dangerous and so that's why thank humanism is so import. Would you associate degree. With the claim that apocalyptic thinking that is rooted in religion has fueled the cunanan phenomenon. Are amy if you're already primed to see everything in terms of the end of days and everything is a conspiracy and it's the light versus dark than probably easier to sell a q. In on story to somebody like that right. Yeah i'm afraid. So and you know we have more reason to think that some sort of apocalyptic things can happen. I mean there's no surprise that. I mean i know when just a couple of decades ago post-apocalyptic fiction stories where you'd see them once in a while margaret atwood and you know others trying the things out but today. It's almost the norm. Is almost every fictional story is post apocalyptic because we feel like there's so many ways we can go. I remember they had a bunch of frank peretti books. When i was a believer that came out it was all about the end times. Sort of action movie about the apocalypse and those things are reflections of society popular fiction popular stories and movies. These reflections about what we're seeing and what our fears are. And i think they are fueling the fire for the religious right and the ultra conservatives. You've got a new book. just released. Called justice centered humanism. How and why to engage in public policy for good humanism in practice at the paperback just came out in april of this year. You can find that on amazon. And i'll lincoln in the description box talked me about book. Justice centered humanism. What do you mean well. Humanism today has to embrace a broad spectrum of issues if we're gonna raise our sights and yet beyond where we've been in the past and so one of the things that is on my mind is how do we make the most change possible. And i explore in the book a bunch of different possibilities and you know there are lots of ways we can change the world through education and teaching through working with others and in radical ideas. But i feel like public policy is the way you really make the needle move in a way that can be solidified in lasting for generations. And so that's what. I'm advocating for the book. And then i go into a lot of different social justice issues in depth as to why we might see this as a humanist issue what the background is on this issue how we can make a difference on the issue where we can find the information to decide for ourselves with the right positions are and i also talk a little bit about the politicians that we can support..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

06:53 min | Last month

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"All he had to do was wave of bible pander to the evangelical 's you know shit about the bible as far as i'm trying to think he knows anything. He didn't care about religion his own personal attorneys at. You're not a christian. But he knows the power of weapons in christianity. And i thought well okay fine people see right through it and instead there's a huge swath of people that seem to have embraced the authoritarian states. I agree i have seen that. Embracement of thornton. Ism that is scary and has had me worrying about drifting toward fascism. Frankly and i know that's a scary word. That sex seems like it's not possible but you know. I think it was possible. Like you see how it can happen all your like theocracy with a savior figure at the cornerstone position. I never thought we'd get there. You know i. We're used to religious or evangelical politicians but this authoritarian model. It just blew my mind that there is a tendency toward toward that among some folks who feel that their lost or they're struggling and in the world is you know has a lot of problems going on these days as we know the the pandemic and everything else and so they latch on authority. Sometimes but i think that there are other problems that we're facing as humanists as people who are committed to the separation of church and state in this country today. Even though trump's no longer in office we have a situation in the courts that i think everyone recognizes as problematic on the on the left in the middle but i think people don't realize how deeply problematic it is. I don't know if you're familiar with how church-state separation issues and civil rights issues are handled in canada but a few years back. They decided you know. There's often conflicts between a religious person's religious freedom and their protection of lgbtq rights. We see that all the time the united states but also on other issues widespread missy all kinds of and in canada they said okay religious rights come second all your civil rights come first done and so it's very simple and and they're able to adjudicate these things in relatively fairway that's universal in the united states. We are very very close to saying religious rights. Come first and the every other right comes second and that is going to be a very scary time if we fall all the way into that speaking with roy card. He is the executive director of the american humanist association. You've used the word atheist in our conversation just a few minutes ago. You don't have to be an atheist humanist which you agree with them. I'd agree with that. I think you could be agnostic. Or maybe even a diest or panatheist somebody who does not place their allegiance and reliance on knowledge in the world and the outcomes on supernatural beings. Including god's that's humanist if you step over that line and you say well you know if i just pray for this. I'll be able to get to a better place or the information that i've received from revelation or ancient texts are valuable sources of knowledge. That's outside of the bounds of humanism. So it's not it's not unrelated to the question of theism but you don't have to identify as atheist to be humorous but you guys do a lot of interfaith work coming. You've locked arms with some people of faith who still want to protect the state church. Line right definitely. I think that you know. We're minority in this country. We are growing rapidly and becoming quite a significant minority. The nonreligious non-theistic crowd. But we are still minority. And if we want to get stuff done we need to build a majority of people who agree with us on the issues that matter and there are lots of progressive religious folks that do agree with that. Some church state separation issues on Writes for others on on rights for atheists and humanists. Even i was looking at some of the data from pugh and ryan berge and some other stuff that had been posted about especially the thirty and under crowd and not engaged with religion or the church. And they're kind of not interested and part of me. My heart leapt for a moment. And then i'm a little concerned about kind of this. Apathy is because for a lot of people certainly not all not making a blanket statement but for a lot of people who are disconnected with religion. They also seem to be a little bit disconnected from state church issues and perhaps the crisis happening around is that has fueled by the kratz who have weaponized the name of god for power. Do you worry that. there was a disengagement at all i do worry about a disengagement from community one of the reasons i do worry about that not just for political reasons but just individual healthy happiness issues as well. Because we've seen studies especially those of us who've been in the atheist humanist movement for a long time that say you know every every few weeks nearly you see something on the news saying if you're a religious you're bound to be more successful happy and then you look at the study a little closer and you realize but they're comparing is people who attend services to people who don't attend services and what they're really comparing is people who have community connection versus those who have no community connection and of course community connections do give us the means of support when things are difficult ways to have a step up among above others. it's beneficial for a lot of us. And i guess what i'm worried about again. A little bit of the agent internet pace is that during this time we may not have that kind of robust network that you get in community organizations be they religious or non-religious that we need as human beings the churches amazing at community and other just so good at it. It's i think one of the reasons that Our sunday assemblies. Or whatever. You know we've been doing often will adopt the church model you know. Come in. we have special music. And here's some agendas. And we have an inspirational speaker because their model is actually not bad but then we get the hurting cats problem. Because you know here. I think we're both at a point position in atheist humanist conversations and we struggle. I think we have struggled with providing a net for people to fall in who are leaving religious communities. May i'm not sure how we get over that hump. There's so many reasons. I think that the formerly religious or the non religious they're distrustful of communities revolving around. What we do. I don't even know how to phrase the question. Roy but tell me what you man. No i hear ya. I've done talks hundreds of talks around the country different groups and one of the questions. I've asked a lot of groups is whether they came from religion or not and how many if for some reason they didn't come from a particular religious tradition where their parents religious where their grandparents relatives. There are so few generational nuncius out there even in our own community. And so i think that people have left religion and there's a lot of harm in religion..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

09:02 min | Last month

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Just get into our conversation today. I've got a special guest royce joining me. He is the executive director of the american humanist association he's also written several books including creating change through humanism and his most recent offering justice centered humanism. How and why to engage in public policy for good or humanism in practice. I got a reason for this because we talk about atheism so much right what we don't believe in we don't believe in a god we don't believe in a supernatural deity out there blah blah blah. And i'm interested this week and what we do believe it. What am i about what do i think what are my values. And how do we fix the mess. That is the world we live in and i think justice centered humanism in that context is hugely compelling subject. That's what i want to talk about today with the author of the new book roy spec heart great to have you. Thanks for coming happy to be on. Thank you so You have been a public figure. You've been on. Good morning. America but on npr cnn fox news. What's that like. What's it like. Appearing as a humanist on fox news. Roy it's interesting it's more embattled even on the other networks as well i know on. Cnn headline news. I was across. From the head of the catholic league. Bill donahue who tried to quake humanism with cannibalism. Host was actually helping are you. That's a new one. Like i've heard a lot of hurt baby eating. And maybe that does qualify and we love humanism so much. Apparently he thinks we're going but Yeah no but fox news. Of course they can be tricky. I know Megan kelly when she was there was a pretty tough character to be up against but generally speaking they. They're interested in hearing our perspective because as much is fox. News is twisting reality often and presenting the right. they also wanna present culture war issues. And so having humanist son from time to time and atheists is something they like. I think it is healthy. You know some people would ask. Why would anyone ever agreed to be interviewed. I understand the protests. Because i'm convinced the sean hannity's aren't interested. In what a humanist guest or a secular atheist gassed or even a democratic guest might have to say i think they become more of an excuse for the host to grandstand. But i guess the hope is is that you're reaching in some way the audience may be. There will be a crack in the door. I think that that happens. I mean we know folks across political spectrum to end up watching fox news whether they like it or not. Sometimes it's just on some particular venue. They're in there watching it and getting to see that. There's somebody standing up for the other point of view i think is important. You were sociologists right. Study of the culture in that way you look around at the united states in twenty twenty one. Forgive the broad question. But what's going on in your mind these days. Wow so many things i know. Forgive me. I just i figure you know where your area of focus and interest is just cast a wide net and you can decide where to start during a congressional free thought caucus meeting. We had daniel. Dan it as a guest and one of the things that he observed was that there is a level of change. That's going on that hasn't been seen in millennia that this is similar to the pre-cambrian age and eyesight was developed and people were able to see their prey and find it or predator. Run from it. He feels that the ubiquitous -ness of the internet in information today provides a transparency. That has never been there before but also at the same time a way to distort reality and to tunnel vision ourselves into our own silos and so it's a it's a very significant time of change and transition that we're seeing and it's fascinating but also a little scary sometimes when you look at the internet you have that conversation about the algorithms that place us into tiny boxes with affirming information. You know things that i already think are being fed to me which validates and reinforces my walls. I may not necessarily be introduced in a healthy way to contradicting ideas. Definitely i also think that this is part of the core of our growth of our movement. I mean a lot of people have pegged the growth of atheism in non religious folks across the united states in the world to particular authors or particular approaches by organizations. And things like that. But i think a lot of it really does have to do with this expanded access to information. I know when i was growing up. You know the idea that you could be an atheist in my little catholic jewish town upstate new york. It just wasn't on the table as an option but kids growing up today. You just can't miss it. It's there it's everywhere and we realized that it makes a lot of sense roy. You know we're talking like our parents. I remember back when we had only had the dewey decimal system microfiche and we had to drive to the library and makes xerox copies of everything a blessing and occurs. I'm amazed at how much i can discover genuinely discover from reputable resources. We talk about the resources that are out there online at the fingertip. But you're right. There's a dark side. You know i look at the agents of misinformation i guess marjorie taylor green and her ilk maybe really are that delusional. But but we see they just had a rally in my home city of tulsa oklahoma. This was Not long ago. Is that free cunanan on rally thousands of people right with lynnwood on stage doing the q. Symbol pew survey. Just came out saying last week. I believe Saying that Fifteen percent of the country. Believe the cunanan theory that the country's being led by head of files who are trying to advocate for some special far left agenda that makes no sense whatsoever the fact that that many millions of people have signed onto something like that. It really does give one pause. How do we get accurate information out to the broad populace so that we can have an informed voter group in formed group. That's thinking about how we can make this country and the world a little bit better. That's a challenge that i think we're up against is the data even matter if i go to a queue in honor and i'm like well no there aren't magnet in the vaccines or radio trackers or you know found she and bill gates didn't ruin together at cornell to come up with an end of the world kind of a scenario. I mean if i go. And i'm like well this. Here's the data quite often. People don't seem to change their mind based on improving data. We see this all the time in my circle. I'm an ex evangelical. So i grab a bible. I show up in a. Mike will look here here. Here here here here. And i'm expecting that they will join me in rationality and we will hold hands and there will be light from the sky and harps and confetti koumba ya. We will all enter the age of reason together and instead they just seem to reinforce doubled down. Well i think that there are a segment of society where trying to change. Those minds. Really is Banging your head against the wall it's similar. It goes back to george. Lay coffee in ideas about framing. You know if you have a strong enough frame of thinking that suggests that only truth comes from the bible only truth comes from these kind of wacky other sources than anything that you here or anything that you see that doesn't fit that frame you see is in league with the devil or some other kind of problem and so there isn't an easy way to reach. Folks that are that far gone might never move to a more middle ground and then be approachable later in life but right now i think it's better to focus on the middle folks. The folks who haven't quite solidified their beliefs so strongly that they're not open to conversation. I think one of the more alarming things that i'm just never realized i never realized so. Many people in this country would respond to authoritarianism. And you know being an expert. Jalal i see my former faith. As it's an authoritarian religion right. You've got to show her main icon who you follow. You are allegiant to at all costs. Even blind faith is lauded and we see then are we are prime to see. Save your figures and we rally turn off reasoning centers. We turn off sometimes our moral centers and decide that allegiance. Loyalty is number one when i see the last four years with donald trump..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

03:01 min | 1 year ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"Fighting crosses on public land with Monica Miller. Podcast you're about to listen to includes cursing and talking about who has please be advised to another another episode of atheist nomads. I am Dustin and and a little bit. I'll be joined by Monica Miller. The senior legal counsel for the American Humanist Association and the Afghans Legal Center for the American Association but really good discussion about church-state separation fights. She works on every day at her day job and at the very end we talk about her other job where she works with the non human rights project so she's fighting for human rights as well as rights four Not even human so. Yeah she fights for Rights and pretty awesome very impressively successful person and a really discussion. So I really hope you'll enjoy. I'M GONNA keep the opening here pretty short because I am not feeling well have a cold and a sore throat and my voice probably sounds like crap But the current virus scored nineteen has reached full on official global pandemic and it is continuing to spread across the United States. How much nobody does because they're still not letting testing happen the way it should as an doctor thinks you might have it so orders test for it. Yeah they've opened up testing quite a bit. They're trying to get some kids out to hospitals Quest and LABCORP contests for it depending on your stage. It's probably only if the state says that they can which is complete bullshit. Considering the fact that I do work for Health Organization I do at this point need to specify that I do not in any way. Speak on behalf of my employer This is bullshit and they need to beef even if it's just for epidemiological reasons We didn't know how many people have this and it needs to be more than just how many people are hospitalized for it because it could spread through schools in towns and cities long before it starts killing people because it's almost exclusively killing killing because it's almost exclusively killing the elderly so getting as much data as we can make much easier to track. What's going on but it definitely looks like the government doesn't actually want to track it. They want to pretend it's not happening. And that's really disappointing and this needs to change. They've got test kits out there. They need to really work on upping the the rate at which they are approving test kits the commercially produced ones. So that they can be tested more.

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

Atheist Nomads

04:26 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Atheist Nomads

"This goes on the offensive. It is an assault on the christian nationalist identity not only christian national this wrong their beliefs and identity run counter to the ideals on which this nation was founded they they are unamerican and that is the central argument of the book really trying to do is give our side better arguments because we we had the facts on our side and we're not winning those we need better arguments and it's not enough to simply rely on logic and reason we also have to hit them where it hurts <hes> in and we i think one of the best ways that we do that is by re claiming the american identity and that is absolutely what i am seeking to try to do in miss book and there are few christian nationalists out there that i'm sure we'll be convinced by this. <hes> i've talked to a few people who are are surprised by a lot of the content in the book book and you know wow i have to rethink some things but really i'm writing for the progressive americans the secular americans the left that needs to have better arguments that beacon employ when fighting christian nationalism and for the middle section of the country to try to explain swing to them that this is christian nationalism is in existential threat is a threat it is be biggest threat to a government for the people of the people invited people that we've ever seen and if we do not confronted head on and push it back to the fringes from whence it came we're gonna lose democracy and i am sure that sounds hyperbolic to a few of your listeners but it is the absolute gut injured well man just just recently mcconnell crammed through thirteen successful lifetime appointments to the courts absolutely and that judges are christian nationalist and and it's already is already impacting the decisions. They're making especially when you look at justice gorsuch justice cabin on the supreme court in the decision to the came down in june in the american legion versus the american humanist association case which was splaine's burned cross case centered around a forty foot tall concrete cross on government property maintained government expense hundreds of thousands of dollars spent to maintain this cross. This is a symbol title of christian nationalism and we would never we would never let a symbol of white nationalism stand on public land but we this supreme court decided that this <music> symbol of christian nationalism was absolutely appropriate to stand any did so solely on the basis of history it elevated history above love legal principle and i have to believe that if we had been better at deploying the arguments in the founding myth we might have been able to head this. I mean yeah. We absolutely tried to do that. In a brief that we submitted to the court we weren't litigating this case or or representing any parties but despres <unk> recalled friend of the court briefs amigas brings me. We did do some of that. I have to believe that if we had done a better job of of fighting for history reclaiming history reclaiming what it is to be an american that the court could not have decided the case the way because it would have been there would have been no veneer of respectability on it because the history is is so bad so flawed. I'm in boise idaho and we have a across up on table rock of our city and from almost anywhere in town you can look up and see that cross it was put up on public property but the city he did a land swap illegal land trade of ten square feet and that's now private property that used to be the the popular way to do that. We we actually successfully challenged. Those land swaps as well because they were so very clearly meant to keep the appearance of the across as a government simple but they are there. They were notoriously already before that yeah and when you see that it sends sends a very clear message and you know if you've got the entrance into your your city is a giant cross that you have to drive by on public public land. That is a very clear message to who's in charge..

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Supreme Court rules 'peace cross' in Maryland can remain

Whiskey Tango's Run Down

04:17 min | 2 years ago

Supreme Court rules 'peace cross' in Maryland can remain

"The supreme court ruled Thursday that peace cross war memorial on public land outside Washington DC can stand determining determining a seven two decision that it does not violate the constitution residents of Prince George's county Maryland and the American humanist association had sued to have the cross taken down and the American Legion who symbols also the more memorial intervene to defend it, while the resonance and AH a claimed that across memorial on public land violated the constitution, the court determined that factors including the history of the. Memorial support the idea that it is not a religious in nature. So that was pretty much the argument here with this was that it's a giant cross, and it is actually being run by a governmental facility is being cared for. Where did I see that there it? Is it supporters including the Trump administration said it was created solely to honor those heroes and a secular nature opponents, call it in impermissible overlap of church and state since it is controlled and cared for by the Maryland parks commission, and that's right there. So that was the argument. They are it is kind of what they're saying is that it is an overlap of the church and state divisions guys, icier, Asli apologize. I'm like all over the place here right now. But I am so tired. I could screen anyway. Back to the story. So as I was saying their argument is that it isn't overlap of the separation of church and state, and the people who are for the monument or saying that it isn't religious in nature, and they are citing things like. What is it that the blue what is a Blue Cross? And Blue Shield was one of the ones that they mentioned now I can't even find that again. And I just saw a minute ago but they were talking about that. And they were talking about bear, and things like that, where you can use across it. It's not considered religious in nature. It's a war memorial. Okay. I want to go ahead and continue reading some more of the article, the court's decision, reverses the four circuit court of appeals, which rolled across was unconstitutional. So there was a court that actually ruled that it should be taken down. Okay. The seven to majority on Thursday cited the structure's historical nature and its narrowly drawn the season saying the Latin cross design reflected, the nationwide trend at the time it was arrested the honor award, they'd with comment with community monuments. The cross was associated with World War One and the court noted that the US used used it in military honors such as distinguished service cross in nineteen eighteen and navy. Cross in nineteen nineteen the blends Berg piece cross as it is known sits in a traffic circle in the Washington suburbs to honor, forty forty-nine local ward World War One soldiers who done in battles overseas. Let's see what else do we have here. Even a recognized across memorials may be permissible in some cases, like certain World War, One Latin crosses, an Arlington National Cemetery, while HA claims that those courses are different because they are in a cemetery, and our a are more associated with individual soldiers. The court said that does not make a difference as memorial serve the same purposes. Gravestones for many grieving families. See, it's sort of the same idea as pulling down historical statues. This Magno put up quite a long time ago, regardless of whether or not it is, actually a religious symbol, because it kind of is. But at the same time, it kind of isn't, but it's the same as pulling down historical statues, and things of that nature. And as I have said, in the past of bowel pulling down those historical statues, if we're going to start doing all of this, which obviously, we already have started doing all that. But if we're actually going to do all of that, I'm thinking, if we're gonna pull them down. Let's not replace them with anything and the reason I say, if we're going to pull them down. Don't replace him with anything is because unfortunately, we are living in a generation, who is also going to start raising another generation of kids. But this generation is extremely offended by absolutely everything. And if they continue to be absolutely offended by everything. Imagine what their kids are going to be like just imagine the height of offense that their children are gonna

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

03:07 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"Hello. And welcome to opening arguments abso-, two hundred eighty nine I'm Thomas Smith. That over there is Andrew Torres. Hey doing Andrew. Well, I am phantom coming out of your ears. Yup. Yeah, quite a lot of breaking news this week. And I, I believe that we have unique insight into the latest Trump nominee to the federal judiciary is a lifetime appointment to the federal bench to the US district court for the western district of Kentucky, and I am. I'm excited to tell people about that. Even if I am not excited about why I'm telling people about that. Well, I woke up, and I am being on the west coast things happen later over here. I wake up to a million notifications of new different news, New York Times, Washington, both were going to war with Iran or something. God knows what and then all this, this other stuff. And I thought I bet you Optimus prime just called in sick today, you know that it was like it was like the dude after the day after Saint Patrick's Day, the calls. Sick and you're like, oh, yeah, sure, sure. You got a virus? Big virus, buddy. Oh, yeah. Gotta definitely got a touch the stomach flu over there. Yeah. I think I think Optimus prime is just like I. My robot parts. I can't even something like that. I definitely have a touch of the stomach flu after winning. So. But yeah, we'll we'll get there. All right. Well, why don't you tell us? What we were going to talk about the now will be moved to another day because of the news today. Once you got lay out our landscape for us here. Yeah. On, on Tuesday's show we're going to discuss two things that were initially pencilled in for today's show. Number one is the decision which broke the smarting in the American Legion versus American humanist association case, that's the Bladensburg cross case we covered that multiple episodes, episode to fifty six with Sarah, Henry of the American humanist association really laid out the facts of that case boiler alert, nothing religious about a forty foot cross yet in the middle of the chain novel religious about that totally normal. Episode two seventy four we had Monica Miller on who was an amazing guests. She was the lawyer for the HA who argued before the supreme court, and, you know, we pushed her for some pessimistic view. And I think this decision came out below and beneath her worst expectations. We're gonna get Monica back on, I talked to her this morning. She's come back on the show and, and we'll do an in-depth post mortem but, but we're going to discuss that opinion in, in some depth next week..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

Thank God I'm Atheist

05:02 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist

"They don't participate in resurrections or in fake because they're they don't they don't wanna promote resurrection. So they're clearly in the funeral business and resurrections are only going to hurt the the. Well. No. But but it's clear that yes, they wouldn't. They do have a vested interest in people not being Raza industry. They cannot promote resurrection. They need deaths. Anyway, these three companies kingdom, blue kings and queens funeral services. And black Phoenix have told local media that church representatives trick them. You know, if you're going to name, your company Phoenix anything to do with the Phoenix. You should be pro resurrection should be progressive action. I'm just gonna apparently some people who were acting who were posing as family members of this deceased, man. Told the kings and queens funeral services that they had a dispute with a different funeral service provider. And that's why they were coming to them. I don't know what this is all about and they also had placed black Phoenix stickers on their private car. So that when they went to hire a hearse from them. They would believe them more. It's all very very very strange, but you're gonna go they are the funeral services companies are very upset. They they're involved in this horrible horrible thing. That's. Yeah. The whole thing though. Apparently, there's also a hash tag that has been trending hashtag resurrection challenge. Oh my God. So people are doing resurrection challenges now. Oh, my God response to this making fun of it. Yes. Okay. And so you're supposed to bring somebody back to write hashtag it. And apparently, it's at least in Africa and Africa observing parts of the world. It's become an become a thing. There you go. What a what a very silly silly thing to have happened. Here in these United States. By the time, our listeners here, this the supreme court will have heard arguments about a about a case that's coming to them. It is to do with a giant. Concrete slash stone cross. Okay. Which is in the middle of a roundabout, a traffic roundabout in in Maryland outside of DC. Okay. And that is it. It's a it's a memorial to World War One veterans. Okay. And has been there since about that time almost almost one hundred years. It's been there since nineteen twenty five okay? And they and now the American humanist association has brought suit they lost in the first court in the district court and then. An appellate court over tour overturned that lower court's decision. Okay. Ruling that the monument had quote, the primary affect of endorsing religion exclusively, and and excessively and tangles the government in religion. Okay. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. But has as we've known from other. US supreme court cases length of time that it's been. There has become an issue. They, you know. And so I and this supreme court the current lineup. Including I like beer Cavanaugh. It's I I have very low hopes now for this particular one and for future cases that are like this now now the court has made it clear on numerous occasions that cases like this are a case by case basis. Okay. Are not something to be taken as precedent for the rest of the country. Although that is a concern revisit his precedent. Yeah. I mean, it's or rather it's not to be taken as it is to be taken precedent. But it's not to be taken as like instructive like all the crosses after come down. God there have been a lot of cases like this including here in our own Utah where the highway patrol association was forced to remove some of. It's memorial crosses. Okay. Because they were on public property, right? Like the little beside the highway. Yeah. Yeah. That's sort of thing in whatever. Right. And of course, people are doing that may be forcing the removal of these memorial crosses..

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Supreme Court: Is Peace Cross a war memorial or Christian symbol?

Radio Night Live with Kevin McCullough

00:39 sec | 2 years ago

Supreme Court: Is Peace Cross a war memorial or Christian symbol?

"The feet of a giant cross was the focus of the Wednesday morning arguments. Heard by the supreme court in Washington. Chris Barnes reports. The forty five foot tall so-called peace. Cross is located in Washington DC suburb in Maryland, the monument was built over ninety years ago to commemorate forty nine service members who died in World War One the American humanist association filed a lawsuit in two thousand twelve claiming its presence on public land, violates the constitution amounting to a government establishment of religion, the court of appeals agreed and the cases now to be decided again by the highest court in the land

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"american humanist association" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

KOA 850 AM

01:43 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on KOA 850 AM

"Mention enjoy tomorrow? Yeah. Enjoy tomorrow, and I was just telling April just driveway completely shoveled off. Yes. He didn't. He didn't store the shelf or anything. Shirts today. Thank you, my friend guys soon. All right now on Colorado's morning news. It's a case concerning a war memorial and across it's getting extra time at the US court. The concerns separation of church and state and could impact war memorials across the country. ABC's John Doman reports from Washington in two thousand seventeen federal appeals court sided with the American humanist association over the American Legion said the nearly one hundred year old piece cross in Bladensburg Maryland needed to be removed relocated or redesigned the cross was built as a memorial for the forty nine residents. From Prince George's county, Maryland who died in World War. One originally privately funded on private land in now sits in a traffic circle in the state of Maryland has taken care of the site since nineteen sixty a rare seventy minutes have been allotted for oral arguments. John Doman ABC news, Washington. President Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen is arriving now on Capitol Hill before he testifies around eight o'clock hour time for house oversight committee hearing he's expected to tell house members that he knew. About illegal activities carried out by he says, Donald Trump and members of his campaign team and Cohen is facing prison time. I think about three years, I don't know if this is going to get them less prison time, it could understand getting more prison time what he says today what he doesn't say yet, depending on who's going to reveal gonna share. And of course, we're going to dip into some of that coverage. If he has some compelling things to say, and we'll continue to monitor that here on Colorado's morning news at seven forty.

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"american humanist association" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK

106.1 FM WTKK

04:48 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK

"Of a forty foot Latin cross honoring World War One dead that reignited the nation's never ending battle between church and state at first glance the question before the supreme court seems simple enough does the monument violate the first amendment which prohibits government establishment of religion. But rich wolf supreme court correspondent at USA. Today says the answer is complicated, by opinion after opinion from the court over the past several decades rich set this up if you go into Bladensburg, Maryland, which is only a few miles from Washington DC there is and there has been for more than ninety years. A forty foot tall some would say it's thirty two feet because it's about an eight foot pedestal. But anyway, it's about forty foot up in the air a Latin cross there's no question that it looks like a religious symbol. But it was put there. Ninety three years ago as a memorial to remember, the exact number forty some odd World War One veterans who died during that war and from from that general area. So it's a World War One memorial completed by the American Legion. There's no question that that was the main purpose of it at the time was as a Veterans Memorial. But no question. It is clearly a religious simple. So it's being challenged as other similar religious symbols. Have from time to time under the establishment clause of the first amendment, which basically says the government isn't in the business of stabbing one religion or favoring one religion over another say, they deplete. In this case who are by the way, the American humanist association. This is a group that basically consisted atheists agnostics anyone who just isn't overly religious, and doesn't think that religion ought to play this kind of a role in society released in government. They basically say that despite the establishment clause because it looks like since it's government land in government maintained. It looks like the government is favoring Christianity over other religions on its face. It's a pretty good argument. But to the justices are gonna do everything they can I think maybe not even just the conservative justices could try to find a way out of this case without seeing this to different ninety three years either come down. We'll be moved or be changed. So really does presented with the dilemma. We're speaking with ritual supreme court correspondent at USA today. He's written a piece about a forty foot Latin cross in Bladensburg, Maryland that honors World War One veterans. And the question is does it violate the constitution something the supreme court's gonna have to look at? This is probably not a word. That's in the supreme court's dictionary. Whatever what about grandfathering this thing in? That actually is a suggestion by one of the groups that is on the side of the of the humanist one one of the breach elites one of the breach came and said, look, we agree that this this is a religious symbol. And it shouldn't this shouldn't be if you were starting from scratch today. Quirky clearly say, no, you can't put up a forty foot off a Latin cross with all sorts of religious symbolism for your for your mind, you've been to name your new military, our veterans monument, and no you can't do it. But this one's been here for ninety three years. So there are some who are on the side of the humanist to think that this is a religious symbols say, well, maybe the court could say that could say never again. But allow this one to remain a narrow a couple of other shortage failsafe that might allow. Court to say, well, wait a minute. Maybe another another brief says. These should not be allowed. But maybe we can show that each and every single one of the forty nine will war one dead who are listed here. We're all Christians there are new Jews or Muslims or agnostics atheists. Maybe we can say well in that case, it's okay kinda Corky argument, but these quirky arguments grandfathering in a Laker being rates because it may be that that a majority on the court feels they have to say something about. Yeah. You do need a certain amount of church state separation and since this is a religious symbol and since John state land. We can't just say, it's hunky Dory. There may be some justices who think it is hunky Dory. But probably not five thanks rich rich wolf supreme court correspondent at USA today. It's twenty minutes.

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

04:12 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"It's clear that when they said devotion. It was meant to be a reference to devotion to a Christian God. No that I I I'm doing my best to make the the the devil's advocacy arts down. That's that's that's a tough one. I it is there anything else. I mean, one of the things, you know, we've had interest idol on from from Morella and foundation, and and one of the things that Andrew, and I have talked about on a number of occasions in these kinds of cases is the the sort of repackaging rewriting of the facts at the supreme court level that that sometimes goes on. And are there any other sort of efforts to re characterize what this giant cross is? You know in the middle of busy intersection in Prince, George's county, Maryland like is there anything else where you see where we're, you know, you're kind of watching efforts to rewrite history take place before your eyes. And and it's worth. You know, sort of clarifying. No, that's not those aren't the facts. Yeah. I think one of those things is that there's some sentiment that the cross serves as a tombstone for those families whose war dead were buried overseas. And while that's an absolutely heartbreaking position. Frankly from a military family end. I completely understand the devastation that comes with losing a loved one to war. This isn't that case? And in fact, we fully support an effort to memorialize all veterans. And in fact, this cross was rededicated in nineteen eighty five to honour quoting from the city here all veterans of all wars. There's just no way that a Christian cross can do that. We're really trying to find something that can on our veterans of all wars. But I think this idea that it's tombstone or a grave marker is really a a misconception. There's no-one buried near that cross. It's an intersection. In fact, it's one of the busiest intersections in the county. It's it's really just disruptive. And would be frankly, a terrible tombstone. So I think that's one concern. I think another concern is that just this idea that Christian symbol, can you know, legitimately represent everyone. We know that it can't Ray we've spoken to so many veterans so many veterans have reached out to us whether they're non nonreligious from a minority religion or even Christian who've reached out to as just said like, I we haven't especially compelling story. Actually from one of our one of our good friends who has reached out to us and said, I'm a Christian. I'm very devout. But I served in the military for my country. I didn't serve in the military for my religion. And when I die I want the government to recognize my service, and I want my family to recognize my religion. And I think that that's just such an impactful point of view, right? Like, these people served with people from from minority faiths and no faith. And this memorial is frankly disrespectful to that service. So I completely agree with that. What does the American humanist association? What what do you want done with the cross? Right. I mean, do you want you want it torn down or, you know, do we wanna hang a couple of other religious symbols on it? Like, what do you want to do? So I think that idea putting other religious symbols near it is really not a realistic option. The cross is so big that it would be near impossible for any symbol to match the sort of towering presence. That's let's get a fifty foot Islam a crescent and a hundred foot high star of David, and, you know, be like that persona the Simpsons where all the billboards. Sorry. Anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt for Easter. More than that. There's just not that much space. Right. It's a highway intersection. There's not a whole lot of space there. It's really challenging even to get to the cross to to view it and look at the plaque..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

Opening Arguments

02:50 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on Opening Arguments

"I mean, this is this is terrifying stuff. But I've I think I've terrified you enough. So might you depressed to be terrified. I don't know. All right. Manafort. We'll bang about. So in episode two fifty three we discussed judge Jackson's findings that Manafort lied. The the sentencing report came in for the eastern district of Virginia so relying upon that those findings, but judge Jackson, obviously in the DC case I predicted that that that sentencing was going to get Manafort at least a forty and maybe up to forty three on the on the US sentencing guidelines, the the report was thirty eight. This is still twenty to twenty eight years in prison nineteen and a half to two twenty eight years in prison. It is very very conservative and very very defensible. And that's what Manafort is going to get. He's going to get a a sentence level of of thirty eight in the eastern district of Virginia. He will still be awaiting sentencing, which will come down the second week of March in the DC trial. And remember the fact that he's violated. His plea deal means that he can be not only subject to a superseding indictment. But, but he can be retried on the ten counts in the eastern district of Virginia for which the jury hung the first time again a sensitive because Rick gates was such terrible witness. The prosecutors could recharge and retry Manafort on on those ten counts, they don't even need to get a superseding indictment on that. So Moore is coming for our ostrich jacket wearing friend, Paul Manafort, all right and Cohen going to be testifying. This is how this will be a big this absolutely will be a big event February twenty seventh which is so Wednesday. Day. So so we get to talk about this week doing early. Well, sneak preview of of Tuesday's episode. The the twenty seventh is also the day for oral arguments in the in the Bladensburg cross case before the supreme court, and I will be at the supreme court along with our friends from the American humanist association, our friends from the f f r f I'm I'm speaking at their at their rally on the supreme court steps. So so I I don't think we'll be able to record on that Wednesday..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Atheist Experience

The Atheist Experience

04:14 min | 2 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Atheist Experience

"And in order for us to have a sustainable community in writing taint, it there are some things that we need to addressed address and resolve. And so this is what black nonbelievers does as an organization, and we weren't with other organizations to and this is why we say, yeah. You don't have to be black to support us and also participate with us. We hope that everyone I will say that at our events they actually represent what the community and most conventions and conferences, look like they would they should look lighter. So, you know, we just encourage you to just participate more with us. It's not that where totally different. But there are some unique issues that we do address. And it is just there's a nice feeling to go somewhere and see some folks that look like you write it instead of never seen people that look like you, you know, like all the time. So yeah, definitely if you're in a position where everywhere you go most of the. People look like you. It may be hard to wrap your brain around. Let his leg to walk everywhere and hardly ever see somebody. That's like you unless you're just within your tight knit community where you're kind of, you know, hold up for that reason. So you're kind of like a minority community within a minority community that is mostly religious, correct? And that makes it really tough it does. But we are fighting the good fight. You know, we are helping we are building that support mechanism and also bridging those gaps, and we are amplifying the voices who wants felt like they didn't have them. So you know, we are continuing to, you know, continuing to do this work, and we are expanding. We are starting are a filial in the Richmond Virginia area, which means fourteenth affiliate across the United States. So I'm happy to see the growth that we've you know that that we've developed over the years and also, yeah. And you're also imported. Of American atheist. I am still I also serve as the chair of the board nominating committee for the American humanist association. All right. So yeah, I guess I do have some sort of tentacles within the community. The program. Yes. That is parenting beyond belief every fourth Saturday. You are busy. I am. Yes. Wow. Okay. And that was just spinning off of one of the announcements. So we're just really quickly going to the rest so for Valentine's Day in. Austin secular sexuality show is going to be followed by a show. Shelly Siegel concert at Chateau Bellevue, which is here in Austin tickets are going to be thirty dollars per person. And also we want to announce that godless bitches are episode of the women's March here in Austin that we just filmed yesterday feels like already a week ago, but it was just yesterday, and they're going to have that editing done and have that show up literally by tomorrow. So we're announcing that because it normally comes out on a Saturday. So just f y we are going to be posting that sometime tomorrow. So that's amazing that they were able to get that edited. And we'll get that out within just a day or two. And also, our January addition of the ACA newsletter is out it's being produced. Also in Germany, I've been told and it can be accessed through social media. Yeah. They I asked why German, and they said we're gonna. Start putting it out in any language. We can get it out in so good enough. I guess they're starting with German, and they're gonna just work from their awesome. And then we also let's see we have a lot of other shows. I think the last time I was on which seems like forever ago. I had said you can has shows and we do have other shows that are put out by the atheist experience network. And that was as I mentioned Mandy says also hosting a parenting beyond belief on that. And I'm on this show, the experience it also godless bitches, and we have other folks that y'all are familiar with their on many of the other programs that lots of content is going out. I also want to just quickly announce on upcoming shows that I'm going to be hosting with Phil Ferguson on February third. So if you're, you know, follow Phil on his podcast financial podcast that might be something you wanna tune in for..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on First Mondays

First Mondays

04:25 min | 3 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on First Mondays

"But one is a case that we have talked about at least once or twice. On the show over the recent months it which is Merican legion versus American humanist association. And this is one that we talked about with our friends at first liberty. This is a very significant Subash MC clause case. And this is about this ninety three year old a memorial to the World War One dead. That's in the shape of a cross and that is on publicly owned and that the fourth circuit said violated establishment clause in that now has been granted. So so why is this important case just seems like, you know, the court always has some case. But across on top of something is different. I think it's potentially. I think it's potentially important because the courts composition has changed. And there is a like a greater likelihood of getting more definitive statement. I mean, the last time this came up was Sal sales versus Buna, which I think was about eight years ago. Yep. In in that case, there was no opinion from ruin correctly. There's no opinion for the court because of a disagreement between the sort. More originalist justices and Justice Kennedy sort of his head is sort of narrow Pinon. And so now, the Justice can use off the court replace as Cavanaugh, I could imagine getting a bolder statement about establishment clause jurisprudence, and because he had his own, you know, his own kind of quirky views on that topic. Right. What what what did he think about about giant crosses the desert? Well, he you know, he thought they were. Okay. But I would imagine, you know, the doctrinal task could look a little different. I mean, so he, you know, he famously wrote lever says Weisman, right? And so is he's the court says that it's constitutionally coercive to have prayer at your graduation. Yeah. Yeah. And so to the extent that there are people who are in one embrace of a a much bolder test for such close claims that might say permit much more. It's able. Could be I don't know. I don't I don't know enough about whether that's that's possible. But. Did I skimmed some of the country? Where Why are are you? you skeptical, and I noticed one by the Becket fund that I thought was amusing that said, you know? Yeah, we we agree. This cross is not a violation. But we would urge the court to either rule. Unusually broadly in this case or look for a better vehicle. The problem is this case is so easy for us that it doesn't provide a good opportunity to change the doctrine and settle all cases where x-rays into their well those. Yeah. Then that may may turn out to be sort of a little bit of a nothing. But I mean, these these cases are always controversial, even if the result, you know, seems fairly for deigned under existing president released under you know, sort of prevailing winds, right? I I'm just going to say right now, not even this case briefs across the state up. Of course is not going anywhere. Okay. Dan, you're gonna you're gonna disagree here. Right. Yeah. It's. Legal realist. It's just like you. You know, we know the way this works. We sort of have a sense of the views of at least five of the justices. Right. I don't see a way we get to the cross coming down. And there's there's some indication in the fourth circuit. Well, maybe you could take the chop the arms of the cross note. No, it's not happening. It's not happening dismembering the cross I is the least likely outcome. Yes. Just desecrate a religious symbol in the hopes of avoiding the government. Sending a message that religion that seems like the wrong way to go. All right. Another case flowers versus Mississippi. This is a case where the court is going to take the case to resolve. What seems to be a fairly fact bound bats in issue in a criminal case. It's pretty interesting though. Because the underlying case is the defendant's got him curse lowers his cases profiled in the second season of a podcast by American public media called in the dark and they've been an entire season on his case. You know, the conviction has been overturned at various points, including on bats previous. Really? Usually give up after some number of these wells. Yes, that's what makes it kind of interesting. And there's lots of reasons if you listen to the show, there's there's lots of reasons to think there's this..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on First Mondays

First Mondays

03:09 min | 3 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on First Mondays

"Well, and then of course, that makes me think what about public universities that require of their students, certain fees to be turned over for the privilege of paying for public education than may be spent on. You know, things they don't agree with whatever. But my my only point is Janice, I know it's it's formerly a case about the first amendment in labor unions in the public sector. But it's logic if taken seriously as a first case is quite far reaching. And so I think that you know, we've got so the the point of by the way for those people don't know. The reason we talk about realists is it. These are cases the court might be thinking about granting the right that we have some information. They've taken one look at the conference and then now. There decided to take another look at the mid conference, and that is often a sign that they're taking the case seriously in the they might wanna granted. So that's why we say this kid's hasn't been looked set for argument or anything yet, but that's that's the deal. So that was pretty cool. And also I saw that over the summer we talked with our friends at first liberty, which is a sort of religious liberty advocacy organization that have been supporters of the show and that have you know they're, they're sort of impact litigators about this really interesting case concerning a World War One memorial that it's in suburban, Washington, and it's shaped as across. And the fourth circuit basically said, you know, you've got to get rid of this thing because it's stablishment of religion, and we thought that there was a decent chance. The court would get interested in this. So the two cases that involve it are brought by both the American Legion and the American humanist association. I guess probably on opposite sides of opposite sides of the question. And. The court has relisted those and the lawyers in that case are Neil Kat. Y'all and Mike carbon. You've heard of those guys, James and I have. Yeah, both. I'm proud to say. Sure. Yeah, we'll you if there's one thing I know about you, it's it's, you know your advocates. So that's just a, we always say that about you and you're not around. And so the these guys are not typically on the same side of any cases, I guess maybe they actually the public sector employees cases because you'll cod. Y'all has done a bunch of work for the right to work people, but the fact that you've got kind of a lib oriented lawyer and a conservative oriented lawyer both involved in this case, challenging the sort of thing. I think it's going to get taken very seriously, so that'd be pretty exciting. Did you hear that that we did about the stone cross? You didn't hear it. You're going to lie. I did hear it. Was your favorite part the middle part? Yeah, that's not what we really. That's really pick up speed, right? Because the beginning is kind of like right now, we're just kind of feeling our way through it in the end is like boring. Not even listening to that part. It's the middle. It's the middle that we love to do that. That's where the meat is. That's where the meat is. Right? You gotta get past a past the crust and past the the wrapping paper, and then right there in the middle is where the meat is so so all right, we had arguments last week. That was pretty good. I liked that that was exciting reading those transcript pages again. And there was one in particular that I was really interested to get your take on because we talked about it a little bit during the preview event it William and Mary, but because you're a property law guru, really many ways sort of super guru, which is even higher rank of guru..

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

01:52 min | 4 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"Andrew seidel constitutional attorney for the ffr f i referred someone to you just a this morning in fact guide somebody they were in oklahoma parent they discovered that their teachers of their child's elementary school was doing like a morning prayer in public school pre class prayer you know like it's the first thing you do you say you're pledges new the prayer and so i'd like go to f f r f go to legal contact those guys because they handle this all the time and you do right that that's what we do we handle more than a thousand of those issues every year about half of them are in public schools alah oath allow teachers still think they have the right to use their public position to promote their personal religion or rather to impose that personal religious not other people's children of and so that's why we exist that's what we do i mean we have now started attorneys on staff bit handle cases from people white who booed the family you just sets us that's how he to sue your inbox must be insane but i'll send moorefield if you know of it of a violation happening man that's the work they do is amazing f f r f dot org will follow the story andrew seidel thanks for your perspective and your input greatly appreciated sir thank you use it we go from a loss to a victory as we shift gears and talk about this baby you cross in pensacola on park land on taxpayerfunded property monica miller heavily involved with the american humanist association arguing against the use of taxpayer funds to have this big religious icon a federal judge says the cross has to come down within thirty days that ruling was handed out just a few days ago and then monica miller immediately becomes the target of some of the worst the nastiest language on the internet i've seen recently.

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"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

The Thinking Atheist

01:47 min | 4 years ago

"american humanist association" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist

"And i know a lot of people have seen the headlines about trinity lutheran but they're not sure exactly what it all means the supreme court on monday of this week it's a rule that the effort to separating church and state go too far when they deny religious institutions access to government grants that are meant for a secular purpose and this has to do with trinity lutheran church in missouri that had been denied money taxpayer money and it went to the supreme court over this deal and so i wanted someone to give some clarity to the case and tell us why the supreme court's ruling is so tragic and so backward and so wrongheaded andrew saidals going to give us the details in his perspective and then i just released the video of a conversation i had with monica miller she senior counsel at the american humanist association you know she was part of this pensacola cross controversy right it's a baby you crossed it's on park land it's on taxpayerfunded land and a federal judge just ruled that the cross has to come down and so people have gone after monica in a way that i just can't believe calling her the worst of names i think there were some implied threats if not overt threats against her safety she's really put herself out there that hamid met a did a path joost article about the whole story i'll linked that article in the description box you should go read it because he screen shouted some of the tweets against monica by these supposed a jesus followers ended blows my mind it is absolutely unbelievably nasty and offensive to the extreme and worthy of our condemnation.

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