18 Episode results for "American Federation Of Government"
AP One Minute Headlines Jan 10 2019 17:00 (EST)
"Trump at the border. I'm Tim Maguire within news minute as the partial federal government shutdown nears the three week Mark President Trump travels to mcallen, Texas along the Rio Grande he was asked by reporters. How long he thinks the shutdown will last. That I can't tell you. He also warned Democrats in congress for any reason, we don't get this going, and they're not gonna act responsibly and Dale mind, death and grime and all of the problems that they caused by not having a barrier. Then you will see what happens with national emergency, which I can do very easily in Washington at a rally organized by unions federal workers, demanded an end to the shutdown. Geoffrey Cox, president of the American federation of government employees accuses President Trump and Senate Republicans of robbing the people down brothers and sisters shakedown. It couldn't be more of a shakedown if they were wearing a mask and a gun. I can tell you that what's being held hostage. Our tax dollars are being held hostage. I'm Tim Maguire. With virgin media. You can build up the entertainment and tear down the price. Switch to virgin media today and get super broadband and TV for just forty nine euro month for an awesome, twelve months the sale that stacks up now on C, virgin media dot e and check out how mobile sales tax up to TT's pies. Virgin media dot I e twelve month contract upper ends twenty seven to February twenty nineteen.
January 3, 2019: Hour 2
"From NPR and WBZ are Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. It's here and now federal workers across the country are feeling the impact on this thirteenth day of the government shutdown. The vast majority of government employees work outside of Washington. There are some twenty seven thousand incentive Tonio, Texas, nineteen thousand in Kansas City, and several thousand in southern Indiana in the small city of Jeffersonville Indiana, nearly two thousand people work for the census bureau about half of been furloughed. According to the American federation of government employees, local fourteen thirty eight which represents the workers, the president of that union is Victoria, Martin Batory. We understand that earlier today you had to tell more employees that they've been furloughed. How many did he speak with approximately succeed eighty total today just out of two units? What does it mean for them to be furloughed? There's a lot of uncertainty. They're not sure when they will be recalled to perform the work. So they're not going to be. Working at all for for an unknown period of time. Correct. Either until the workload is available and the recalled or until the government reopens completely when the discussions take place, and the workers are told that they're being furloughed. What's what's the reaction been like even today when when you speak to them, it's kind of a, you know, a little bit of shock. They weren't expecting it since they had previously been funded and working everyone's a little worried about their payroll, and and all those things. Well, the payroll is, of course, in issued the government pays people on a scale of GS one two GS fifteen a GS one on the lower side. You have said that the office has workers who are predominantly GS four, which means they make under forty thousand dollars a year. How do they say the shutdown will affect them financially? And for those workers have already been furloughed. How is it affecting them for those who are currently being furloughed or have been furloughed? You know, many of them are seeking unemployment compensation. You know, they're just really uncertain most of our employees don't have a lot of money in savings, and therefore many work, they live paycheck to paycheck. So they are very much concerned. You know, just recently there was one employee that we learned had received a denial from the unemployment office in Indiana. And you know, she obviously was in a an extreme panic, you know, depending on how long the shutdown last. She's unable to get to receive unemployment benefits. Then, you know, of course, her bills won't be paid came put food on the table. And it's heartbreaking and can the union do anything to help. We have a lot of programs and benefits through partners with af g e to lessen the blow in some of the areas, but you know, the unions not in a position to compensate people for their salary of. Front speaking about the census bureau, but I know that the the union represents government offices in other departments, wouldn't what others do you. Do you represent we represent the VA, of course, social security parks and recreation border patrol our ice agents bureau th prisons as well. So you name it we pretty much represent them throughout government, and what's happening in those offices well for the agencies that are funded, you know, it's business as usual for those individuals, but you know, across the agencies that are not funded. You know, we have staff going to work without pay especially our border patrol and ice and our prison staff. They're putting their lives on the line every day. And it is just unbelievable that they have to go to work wondering if they're going to. Be able to pay their bills and support their families as well. Do you know if they'll get paid eventually for this time that is dependent on whether or not congress passes a Bill that grants retroactive pay to federal employees during the shutdown, Victoria. The census comes out every ten years. What happens to the work that for instance, census bureau workers do when there's a shutdown like this? The work POWs up, you know, when we reopen. It will be very chaotic for a little while trying to get the work process. Not only in our agency, but at others as well, can you see since you're there in Jeffersonville? Can you see the ripple effects throughout the community even for people far removed from those who have been furloughed? Oh, absolutely. You know, just going out at lunchtime. You can tell the decrease of traffic on the main thoroughfares and the restaurants are not nearly as full. So definitely the local economy here in Jeffersonville is is suffering. You know with with all of the furloughed employees and those who are not currently furloughed they're watching their spending. They're spending less right now because of the unknown. Well, thank you very much for speaking. With us, Victoria, Martin president of the American federation of government employees. Fourteen thirty eight in Jeffersonville, Indiana. Thanks victory. Thank you. Lisa. Well, now to Philadelphia where you might know the mayor declared gun violence, a public health crisis back in September and gave his cabinet one hundred days to come up with a plan to slow it down. While that deadline is Saturday. And it comes after news that the city's homicide rate hit a ten year high last year as a part of the city's plan Philadelphia's expected to propose investing millions in crisis intervention teams known as violence interrupters. Bobby Allen from member station. WHYY followed a team on the overnight shift as it tried to stop gunfights before they started Sean does reveal had a tough upbringing in Brooklyn. He's got a big scar down the side of his face to prove it. He says he didn't get it by smiling at people as people so much, man. I know how it is to go to see concrete. You know know, how it is to be faced with that situation to make bad decisions. He used to work as a corrections officer the past two decades, he's been in Philly. He now is the executive director of. The city's new office of violence prevention he oversees dozens of crisis intervention teams the violence interrupters. Streets because ready to roll violence. Interrupters have been shown to drop violence in cities, like Los Angeles and New York. The idea is to hire and train former drug dealers and gangsters and have them in bed and trouble neighborhoods to try to broker peace in Philadelphia reveal says these interrupters are also doing something else. Spreading the word about city services. We can't go on communities and not give something right? You can't corner and not give them a job not give some resources we spill into white minivans and head out. Sam white sitting in the seat behind me describes their approach. We don't come into neighborhoods like we carry guns and badges we come in his guests. We come in as as the apartments, and we asked their permission. Hey, fellas. How you doing? What's going on if they will? Engage engage if they're not you don't as they drive around during the wee hours, another group dig sue social media for beefs between neighborhoods, which they say often start with a post on. Degrom or Snapchat. These workers tap into their former networks and try to intimidate tensions coming to ahead. But when there's no social media activity to look into they act as street diplomats. The idea is to go to the site of a crime to try to cool things down. So there's not another retaliatory gunfight. That's what white tells me as we approach a house where there was a recent shooting. This is the scene of it was a double shooting on his block. So we're not really clear on what was going on. So in instances like this because just because at the time we are not going to knock on people's door because it's so late at night. But what we're gonna do is canvas this block and leave literature for the neighbors. Another worker James Shuler approaches. The house where the shooting happened. A woman answered the door holding a baby I watched this interaction from a distance. They tell me to stay behind since the woman nausea as a witness in an ongoing criminal investigation. Schuler walks back to us with Nigeria was the name of the door. So I gave it a literature gave her the whole. Spill give it a car. And yes, she said that she'll get back to us Shuler says he made a connection with the woman she's supposed to give him a heads up. If she feels endangered again. It's one of a long list of cases there now keeping tabs on white says they're building trust in ways. The police might not be able to as we're walking around north Philly after midnight. We find Omar Smith hanging outside a corner store. He's twenty four he has a three year old daughter. He says he was shot six times in the leg last year. I m- shot me was the friend since two thousand eleven so that's the crazy. Like oh. After that. I realized I ain't got no friends none on his family. Smith says he used to sell drugs, but that's an his past the interrupters some who used to sell drugs themselves understand that passed more than a typical city bureaucrat Smith says he recently landed a job as a cleaner at the stadium where the eagles play knob ING out the way doing good. No mom's going right now. No, I'm the youngest. So she checkup. Me all the time white with the crisis team walks over and grabs the phone from Smith. He on his way home news. We pay the Bill. That's right. Mop and cost to eat a bowl. Absolutely. His mom wanted to know where he was a crisis team member in another van gave him a lift home back of the van reveal reflects on the interaction Samsung to the mother, you know, who's concerned about her son. You know, you evolve. What issues is she have? How can we help her life? Because if you don't help the home life, right? Young man is gonna go home when we're gonna go home back to a bad situation. Philadelphia officials say their goal is for the interrupters to help prevent gun violence, just as they connect people with more city services, like GED classes job training and housing help. The hope is with more jobs and opportunity. More people will put down their guns. Sean del reveal admits it's not going to work in every case some people just like the game just like the violence. You know in in is going to be what is going to be for them. It's the people that did that need that second chance they need to have third chance. Yes. People that we aim for for here. Now, I'm Bobby Allen in Philadelphia. A job. Search can be fraught what to wear what to say. But for candidates with neurological differences autism social anxiety disorders. It's often impossible. That's why recent reporting in the Boston Globe got our attention about companies, adding neuro diversity to their recruitment actively seeking people who might not get through traditional job interviews because maybe they don't make eye contact or are nervous and unfamiliar settings. And these companies say, this, isn't charity. It's about getting the best employees. Neil Barnett heads up Microsoft's autism hiring program, and he joins us from Seattle. Neil. That's a thing autism hiring. It is it's one of my favorite topics. There's just a huge under an unemployment rate when it comes to autism close to eighty percent. And there's just a lot of town out there and more and more companies are seeing that. Okay. So you have a title. And there are people who are doing this within Microsoft is a thing. We'll find out more about. That. But also joining us as twenty eight year old Oliver Willcox, he has a master's in applied math from Loyola University in Chicago, he also has ADHD social anxiety, a speech and language disorder. But now, he's a software tester at a tech startup iterative which hires only neuro diverse candidates will learn more about that company. But Oliver I want to congratulate you because you're on something called a reported app. You're recording yourself on your smartphone. And apparently you set it up in a second. And we have people who can never set it up. So this is these are skills you have. But just tell us what was it like when you first tried to go on job interviews, I applied for one hundred jobs in Boston. I applied. I'm companies universities, hospitals, engine situations, and more and all the jobs. I had this goes and passed the assignments and was excited about the company, and the people underestimate of me because I talked differently even there. Had the scouts for the job traffic assumed I was to not missing that. Maybe it was because I tend to pitch it and take some extra time to share my thoughts. Well, for instance, how you nervous right now. I'm just the just a tiny bit. So, you know, maybe you had just a little bit of nervousness that most people have in job interviews or radio interviews, but there were other mannerisms that you say me people misunderstood how frustrating was that for you to know that you know, you had the skills, and we're not getting the jobs. It was very frustrating. I thought that I was not a culture that or appeared very nervous. They tell me down not because of my skills, but because of things like can't change about myself. Let's go back to kneel for a second. Is that something you hear that? There's an impression that comes across in job interviews, and it's almost impossible for people like Oliver to overcome that. I would say the interview process for anyone is a as a challenge experience. But definitely we've seen candidates that are on the autism spectrum express. This thing things that offer had stated whether it's making I contact or just the initial interaction. One of the reasons we created this program at Microsoft is to really think about how we could be more inclusive in heaven interview process that candidates could come be theirselves and really showcase their skills to get employment instead of just basing it on the interview. So what do you do if you think about going through that traditional front door at a company our front doors a little bit different for kennison's program? It's a five day program. And we really bring the candidates and let them get. Comfortable get to know one. Another get to know the hiring teams, we do team exercises kind of like the marshmallow challenge at where you use toothpicks and marshmallows to build a bridge to kind of look at you know, teamwork. We spend time doing practice interviews. And then like anything else, we do typical interviews like we do at Microsoft. But instead of doing it in one day back to back we spread out over two days. So what do people on your staff, and again, you're heading up the autism hiring program at Microsoft is just amazing. What are they looking for? Well, I mean, we're looking for the same things that we look on poise. We're looking for talent we're looking for people that work with one and other. We're looking for people that can really make an impact with the products and services that we're producing. And so the whole goal of the program is just leading candidates have a better way to showcase and shine their skills than just that typical you know, one day and tencent view that many companies do the net wider than people on the autism spectrum because there are people with obsessive compulsive disorder. Orders, you know, social interaction issues. Oliver spoke of those who do you throw it wider? We do broad -clusive hiring for people with disabilities. Microsoft, and so that's everything that you just stated this program in particular is focused on autism. But we're always hiring people with all this abilities at the company talk more about the the work that you're doing now, this is a company iterative. It was actually started by your mom. We understand when she saw this the frustration that young people with some neurological difference, we're having what kind of work do you do there? So I must software tester. I find errors, and and blogs and websites and mobile apps, so companies can fix them and have their products funds moves the job than with a company called hydro, which is looking on a new lawyer machine and test software while going because that's when the air is a car. Well, okay. So you test for bugs and errors and the one that you liked the best. You have to row did you say like, you're rowing rowing machine? But they're not that hard is that hard. What kinds of mistakes have you spotted sometimes the sticks around on the exercise machine or the or the workout end through early or something like that. I'm sure you've heard Oliver that some very often people who have what other people would call neurological issues are actually neurological gifts, and that there are people like yourself who see patterns and spot things that others. Can't is this something that you you're finding and I've been able to see patterns that other people can't throw a long time. Yeah. Neil terrific that you have this autism hiring program. But as I said, I I'm betting it's not, you know, to be kind although that would be a side effect rookie. As a business in the business impact. And again, it's finding talent in. So the spectrum is wide and diverse. And so everyone brings something unique to the table. And we have people that we've hired that are writing code. That's being used by millions of people or they're contributing to the next version of windows or office. And so again, it's for us. It's been a talent play. In fact, are people that you are hiring. They have the education right talk about what some of their professional jobs are degrees are so this goes back to the under an unemployment rate, which is really high around eighty percent. You know, we have individuals with your degrees masters PHD's that are working at retail or packing boxes and they're not utilizing their skills. And you know, this is why a program that can be more inclusive in help you screen in individuals to find the talent is something that both Microsoft and other companies are finding really valuable. Yeah. Many other companies Microsoft SAP Ford, foes, have all seen the benefit in this Oliver feel to you to hear the extent to which people are looking for people like you. Well, it's good to hear that people are realizing that people are not I can have some things that take an offer that companies that other people can't and that would make it easier to get jobs for other people who are not diverse. In fact, people are calling this not a disability, but a cool ability. But what would you say Oliver to someone who says helped me work alongside you? That's just something. I do like I'm sometimes bitch it with things. But it's not because I'm based it's because I just do it sometimes and sometimes look around and see. Might say things. So that's not not because notice and Neil you're doing these job searches for people on the autism spectrum four times a year. What would you say to the employer who's not sure how to start talk a lot to other companies that are thinking about starting programs? And I always talk about the business impact that they will see. And so this is not charity. This is business impact. Whether it's a benefit to culture to the products of services that the produced and so when you frame it up in that frame companies are a lot more open and really trying to understand what it would take to do something similar that fits their own culture. Well, maybe be in touch with other companies that are doing this. Yeah. So we've actually Microsoft we started a coalition it's called autism at work employer. Roundtable there's about fifteen companies in there today and our goals are to help other companies star programs. We also have created a job board on the website. And then we're all trying to obviously. Share best practices amongst ourselves. So there's a lot of momentum in the space, and we're really looking for more companies to join the coalition. It's good for business. You know, what impresses you most about? Your employees skill sets about fifty percent of the people who have come through our program out apply to Microsoft before through that traditional process, and you know, sometimes their resumes, Warren picked up or sometimes the phone screen was was tough, and they didn't get past the phone screen, but we brought him in this more inclusive way through that other front door that different lens of wave of thinking they got in front of hiring managers and hiring managers say while I want you not just on my team XBox? But I want you to have a career at Microsoft, and we're hiring people all across the company Oliver you have a job at the company where you're looking for bugs in software, but what would you say to a future employer? You know, why why should they hire you? So I think that companies should look at people that they're interviewing about if they can do the job. This is looking at their experience about the about their social skills or perceived comfort and interview. And they did that they would have better until he's because people who are not diverse can do some tasks better than traditional imply because the way they see at the world that's all over Wilcox. He has a master's in applied mathematics. He also is neuro diverse. And he's a software tester now. And you'll Barnette runs the autism hiring program at Microsoft in Seattle. We'll hook you up to any information. But meantime, Neil Oliver. Thank you so much for speaking with us. The UP over you should resume if you wanna right down and give you my Email. Okay. We'll let you guys go. Thank you both so much. This message comes from here now sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. With indeed posted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Stocks fell sharply again this morning after the surprising news from apple that it's cutting revenue projections for the first quarter. The first time the company has done. So in sixteen years, and it's blaming slow iphone sales in China and China's slowing economy, which is added to fears that a China slowdown could make the global economy sees up like an old engine, Robin Farzad is host of public radio's podcast. Full disclosure. Apple stock down nearly ten percent since CEO Tim cook. May this announcement yesterday? He said apple had expected headwinds in emerging markets. But nothing this big. And this is big remind us trying to represent nearly twenty percent of apple sales. And it's arguably the most followed company in America. This was that great success story that be ipod. Brought it back, you know, twenty one years ago, it was close to bankruptcy, and it doesn't with like this. It certainly doesn't within the era of the iphone which has been out for eleven years and. China. I mean is a make or break growth market for it. If China's and doing well than other emerging economies aren't doing well, so it's just so rare to Seattle blindsided like, and we know the China's slowing down and the the automakers there in particular General Motors and Ford are seeing their sales in China fall around forty five percent how much of this has to do with President Trump tariffs, and the trade war what to be fair, Robin. I think China is just so centrally planned I mean, whether you're talking about the major banks or the tech players that are so closely supervised by Beijing that it's really hard to know whether to trust those government sanctioned economic indicators versus the observations of multinationals like apple and apple was until recently, the most valued company in the United States, the most highly valued company and investors and traders pay outside attention to what it says, especially when you're talking about a a juggernaut like China. Yeah. We know the China had this construction explosion. They were building apartments in cities, but many. The are sitting empty. So there's that there's that slowdown there. But what Tim cook didn't mention is that China also has the second biggest smartphone maker, which is why away and while ways sales actually rose by thirty three percent from year ago while iphones, obviously or have fallen. So the Chinese are buying smartphones. Just not apples you. No. But I think this cuts both ways there's no doubt that while way is in national champion of China and Beijing really wants it to thrive it's not gonna budget fail, but is the growing Chinese middle class. Are they perhaps wary of paying up for iphones at the margins that that Tim cook an apple and its investors one, especially when you have so many homegrown cheap knockoffs. That are available there. And here's another wrinkle is apple maybe a national champion of China as well, they're millions of Chinese jobs that would be lost if iphone manufacturing just went kaput. And so I'm not so convinced zero sum game. Yeah. We're back to the possibility that this is tariffs are at least they they are playing. A big part in this. What are we busters thinking of about where this could lead? It certainly a headache. In addition to the vagaries of interest rate policy and his our economy slowing down, even if you back I'll try to it was surreal to see the chairman of the White House counsel of economic advisers say it himself today that there are signs that the Chinese economy is slowing sharply multinational firms with profits in China are probably going to see at least part of their profit picture sour a little bit. So you wonder who is better position to whether this spat between China and the United States world economic growth desperately needs the Chinese consumer. But China's government has also veracious buyer of our debt, the United States and other wealthy economies. They benefit from any sort of of drop in bond yields or commodity prices when China get sick rather than five hosted public radio's podcast. Full disclosure. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you. For more than two years. The United States has not had an ambassador in Australia, a close ally, nor their US ambassador's in places where Washington has more contentious relationships, including Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Turkey. Many diplomats say the record high number of embassador vacancies is damaging American foreign policy. Nicholas Burns of Harvard's Kennedy School of government is a former high level State Department official and ambassador to Greece and to NATO, hyper, fester hollow. If there is no confirmed ambassador in a given country, and there are many countries as we said, we're where there is no US ambassador. How does that hinder if at all US presence there and US clout there will it damages the United States, and it limits what we can do because in most countries of the world. The American ambassador is the one person who can call the prime minister or the defence minister of that country or the king or Queen whatever the system of government is. Is to get something done on behalf of the United States. In a very good example of how we were limited by this absence of embassador overseas was the Jamal kashogi affair back in October November. When he went missing, the United States had no American ambassador in on cry in Turkey, and we did not have an ambassador and still don't have an ambassador in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis wouldn't see any American officials at a high level below the level of embassador. And so we were very much constricted in our ability to communicate with these governments and to be persuasive with them and to be insistent with them on the kashogi affair. So that's a practical example of what happens when it administration like this administration doesn't care to a point embassador on a timely basis. Doesn't care part in just a second. But, but when it comes down to it, it doesn't mean that the United States has lost all presence in particular country because there is a huge network of officials and. People who work for consulates or embassies who are still functioning lower level officials. Yes. But they are still running things just below the surface. I mean, that's that's some consequence. Oh, it definitely is the United States. Foreign service are the people who staff are career men and women staff our embassies in cussedness worldwide. They are first rate they're skilled they're experienced there at all levels, junior officers mid level officers senior officers, and they carry out the work that the American people need them to do. They help American citizens in distress. They negotiate trade agreements, they work with countries, for instance, on counter Tara policies. But in the final analysis, you do want to have that embassador in place because that's the senior woman of the senior man who represents the president and secretary state personally, roughly about seventy percent of our ambassadors are career foreign service officer ambassadors about thirty percents are politically appointed members of the president's political party that hasn't changed very much since the Kennedy administer. Nations. So you have this apparatus in embassies and consulates, but you do need that person at the top and the kashogi fair was dramatic representation of that. What's the on the ground experience for people who work in these embassies or consular offices when there is no embassador? I mean, they they know their jobs. They know what they're doing. What what's the the daily affect? They can get the majority of their work done. But in the crisis in a war situation or conflict resolution or an American citizens been jailed unfairly which has happened this week in Russia where the Russians have taken an American prisoner. I think in retribution for the fact that Maria Boutin a- has been arrested in the United States, and some people believe she might be a Russian spy that has to be determined in court. But in this kind of case, you do need an American ambassador. Luckily, we have an American ambassador a very good embassador embassador, Jon Huntsman in Moscow, he can intervene directly at the highest levels of the Russian government. That's what we did not have in Riyadh in Saudi Arabia in Ankara in Turkey. We don't have an American ambassador in South Africa. We do not have an American embassador in Pakistan, and there are countless countries around the world. Now what we have historically high level of vacancies. And that's because the Trump administration has been so slow in appointing embassador, so in the areas where a you just mentioned many of them where the rules have not been filled. They're they're simply a vacancy the president hasn't nominated anybody. You can't read the president's mind. But does it serve his political purpose at all to leave? These ambassadorships open. I think it's an attention by the president failure to understand the importance of diplomacy. President Trump has never spoken up in support of American diplomacy. In fact, he's tried to cut the State Department budget by thirty one percent over the last two years two years running, and he of all modern presidents in the last half century has appointed the fewest ambassadors. And so I think it does tell you the value to which that he is scribes to embassador. He also has to my knowledge has not appointed a single African American woman, the great majority of his appointees are white men people like me, but not people of color, not women, and at least in the Obama administration when secretary Hillary Clinton was in place secretary, John Kerry, there was a big emphasis as there was when secretary Condie rice was an office to appoint people do point in greater number of women and people of color because we want our ambassadors to look like an represent the entire United States. Not just one. Part of it. We should say through our countries where he has indeed nominated people for embassador ships such as Saudi Arabia and Yemen. But the Senate has not acted on the nomination. And and the president tweeted about this on New Year's Eve, he blamed Democrats for what he called record delays in approving embassador. He wrote heads of countries are calling wanting to know why Senator Schumer is not approving there. Otherwise approved ambassadors. Republicans control the Senate, but how much are Senate Democrats to blame. Here. Why think historically both parties both Democrats and Republicans have tended sometimes to hold these embassador Oriel, and other senior appointments they've they've held the appointments they blocked them until they get what they want on some unrelated issues unrelated Bill, so both parties have been guilty of that. And there's too much of it. And it does stall the appointment of senior officials. So I think it's fair to say that congress should do its part now ambassadors only needed to be confirmed by the Senate by fifty votes. The Republicans still have them. Authority in the US Senate. And so the majority leader Mitch McConnell ought to be able to push these embassador nominations through. But I do think it's fair to say that both political parties need to make a stronger effort to get these embassador positions filled in by the Senate of the United States. We haven't talked at all about some of the international positions ambassadorships to UNESCO and United Nations positions. We do know that President Trump has chosen former Fox News anchor and current State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert to replace Nikki Haley as the next UN ambassador. I wonder if you can tell us what you think her charge should be as UN ambassador, and what you think of the choice. Well, I certainly wish her well we should want our ambassador to succeed. This is going to be a big challenge because the people who are sent to the Security Council to the United Nations by other countries are the very top career diplomats that Russia and China, and France and Germany have. And she's going to have to go toe to toe with the Russians and Chinese every day on the most difficult, sometimes most arcane issues it requires a lot of experience if you think about some of the people we've had in that role. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Jeanne Kirkpatrick had lay Stevenson who ran for president twice. Samantha power. Susan Rice more recently, these are people whose entire careers have been devoted to foreign and defense policy. Their experts Heather new art, whom I do not know. But I have a lot of respect for hasn't had that type of experience. So it's going to be a steep learning curve. She will be assisted by the career foreign service officers on her staff, and that'll be a great advantage to her. And I assume it she'll be looking to them for advice as well one. Final question on this. The the number of ambassadorships in general that are open is so surprising. But is it alarming to me? It's alarming, but I'm. Highly subjective. I'm a former career foreign service officer the United States is still a by a long margin the most powerful country in the world. But we say what we do where we are where we involve ourselves is central to the fate of the rest of the world. And so we need these investors in place, we need them to be working every day. And I think it is just a travesty that the Trump administration has been so slow two years now in appointing people to these offices, and I think it does tell us a lot about how President Trump seized diplomacy. He doesn't value it. He doesn't practice it very carefully himself and increasingly the United States, and our military leaders will be the first to tell you this. We can't fight everybody around the world we have to be very spare and conservative about the use of military force. We've got to depend more on diplomacy are embassador. Our frontline people. We need them in place around the world with a Senate children some of the blame as well. That's right, Nick. Earns professor of diplomacy at the hurried Kennedy School of government. Thank you very much. Thank you. Lisa. This week. We've been looking at new laws in the new year physician assisted suicide is now legal in Hawaii. Former felons can vote in Florida in Ohio kids will be required to learn cursive script by the NFL fifth grade. They probably only no texting. And today there is a new law in Vermont. It's called the remote worker grant program. But the headlines are screaming Vermont will pay you ten thousand dollars to move there. And my Vermont cousins have been screaming at me tell people that's not exactly true. Let's do that Joan Goldstein is Commissioner of the Remond department of economic development. She's been spearheading this program. I Commissioner Goldstein. Hello. And the headlines are not true. Are they telling no? It's added to significant amount of hype. But it is a grant program. So it's it's got some element of truth in there. And it is a great program. We spoke to you when you're governor Phil Scott signed this Bill back in June. So tell us what is the remote worker grant program? How does it work? Great. So if you work remotely for an employer that's located outside of the state of Vermont for Mont will help defray the expenses of relocating to the state as well as any hardware and software expenses you need to do your job. And if you have interest in joining up with a co working space, it would help defray the expense of rent. So that's where the ten thousand dollars comes in a five thousand dollars per year over two years to defray as you say those costs, and what's key? Is you cannot work for a company within the state, correct? What is it that you're trying to do? Well, we want to ease the transition when people. Think about relocating. There are so many elements to that not just relocating their home. But also then having to find a job. So this idea would be that they could move to the state but keep their current job. And the the idea is that we need more people in the state and on some people as a result of all of the press are interested in working for an employer in the state. So it's got ancillary benefits as well as the intention of getting remote workers into the state. And one of the reasons why we understand is that the median age in Vermont has risen by ten years. It's forty two point seven over the country. It's thirty seven point eight. So you're workforces aging. Yes, we are an older state for sure, and we just were looking at some of the in-state moving statistics. And it turns out the people who are moving to the state are older. And so we do want to attract actually went to attract all kinds, we're not necessary. Early thinking about just one type of age I moved to the state when I was middle aged. So we definitely welcoming to all ages people like my cousins who are have mixed feelings about this. You know, everybody. Everybody wants there to be new revenue new tax base. But Vermont are very covetous of their space. You know, they don't want it to get too crowded there. But in the meantime, talk more about how this program works. Winston is enough money in this first year for about twenty five people of all those people need ten thousand dollars over two years to relocate if they don't he'll take more people. Have you had applicants we already have applicants? I mean. It just went live January first, and yeah, there's been tremendous activity already the website has received about ten thousand hits on that page alone. So we do, and we're getting inquiries that are legitimate inquiries. Not just oh, pay me ten thousand. So so we are we're quite enthused. But how do you decide? So basically first-come-first-served CNN somebody fills out a complete application the application will require a verification from the employer that this person is indeed an employee working remotely for them. They will need proof of residency in Vermont. So as soon as we get a fully complete application will be able to issue a grant agreement. Look who doesn't love Vermont is is a beautiful green state. So we're sure you have applicants, but other rural states Wyoming's won the Dakotas have tried strategies. Like, these there have been mixed results. You seem to be having a success. Are you all concerned about the other thinking that many Vermont is have they wanna keep it Vermont? And you know, there's a derisive word about I think New Yorkers it is who come up to Vermont the flatliners. Guilty as charged d do you do people worry about that? Losing that flavor of Vermont? Well, I think I would hear that more several years ago than what I hear now. And that's because over the period of the last decade population has been flat to decreasing so I don't hear that fear of overpopulation as much as I hear the fear of. Oh my goodness. You know, what if we don't get enough people to take the jobs that are available? What if we don't have enough students in our schools? So I think that has won a bit. I mean, obviously, there are definitely people who don't want any change and don't really want to see crowds. You know, I myself when I drive into Burlington sometimes is a traffic jam just like, whoa. You know, how could this be? But you know, I think that the sentiment has swung. Where people are knowledge that we we need youth, and we need more people Joan Goldstein Commissioner of the department of economic development. Thank you. Thank you. In here now is protection of NPR in WVU aren't association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. It's here now.
NPR News: 01-27-2019 1AM ET
"NPR podcasts are now. Available on every platform checkout all our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jim hawk the head of the largest government workers union says the partial government shutdown may be over. But paychecks are lagging as NPR's, Greg myrie reports. It could take up to a week before affected workers receive back pay. Jay, David Cox, head of the American federation of government employees has been through shutdowns before. And he's learned that it takes time for payroll systems to get geared up again. Hopefully, by at least the middle no later than the end of next week that employs will be paid the union represent some seven hundred thousand government workers, including many of those furloughed, but we won't are people backed were there so happy to be back at work. They want to serve the American people. Cock says he expects most of those not working will return on Monday, or even sooner in some cases. Gregory NPR news Washington winemakers in the Pacific northwest or eager to get back to work now that the partial government shutdown his end. As the northwest news networks. King reports Wayne Reyes need the foods to approve fresh labels for their winter and spring bottling Washington and Oregon winemakers are eager to bottle up their popular Chris whites and rose as here's the problem when wineries bottle to also label and many wineries don't have their own bottling equipment. So they need to set up bottling date with a rental company months in advance. And now those dates are falling through because many wineries don't have a federally approved label the office that does that work has been shut down along with much of the government wine without approve labels. Can't be moved to storage warehouses or sold. Even when the government is fully back online the backlog could last several weeks for NPR news. I'm Anna king in Richland Washington in Venezuela, President Nicolas Maduro as backing down from ordering Washington. Withdraw diplomats by this weekend. NPR's Philip brief says the US plan to ignore the expulsion. As it. No longer recognizes him as president Modesto seven relations with Washington on Wednesday after it recognized an opposition leader whine quavo as Venezuela's. Interim president diplomats would give them three days to leave. The US rejected. This saying it's keeping its embassy open, although families in some non essential staff have left with the deadline looming with doto has retreated from possible showdown. He says he's suspending the expulsion to provide a thirty day window to negotiate setting up scaled down offices in both capitals the US for God's his decisions. As invalid as it recognizes Guadagno as Venezuela's president and Guido said throughout the embassy should stay becomes his precious mounting on the doodo. Why does summoned his supporters to the streets for week of protests? But breathes NPR news is another round of extreme cold as affecting North Dakota and Minnesota wind chills as low as forty five degrees below zero are expected through Sunday morning. This is NPR news. Britain's Daily Telegraph is apologizing to Melania Trump as Larry Miller reports from London the newspaper says it published a cover story containing many false claims about the first lady the Daily Telegraph retracted a number of surgeons in allegations about MRs Trump acknowledging they were false and should never have been published. The glossy magazine cover story was entitled the mystery of Milania among the items retracted the paper had said, MRs Trump's father was a fearsome presence and controlled his family. The paper also accepts this not true. Mrs Trump was struggling in her modeling career before she met Donald Trump and that he helped advance her career. The paper also says it's not true. Mrs Trump cried on election night as it reported the Daily Telegraph agreed to pay the first lady what it describes as substantial damages and her legal costs for NPR news. I'm Larry Miller in London two bombs exploded outside a Roman Catholic church in southern. Philippine island where Muslim militants are active killing at least nineteen people and wounding nearly fifty during a Sunday mass police and military reports said the casualties included both troops and civilians. The death toll from the collapse of dam holding back mine waste and southeastern Brazil rose to forty on Saturday and searchers laboring and deep mud uncovered more bodies several hundred people are still reported missing. Brazil's attorney general is promising to investigate another damn administered by the same mining company collapsed in two thousand fifteen killing nineteen people and forcing hundreds from their homes. I'm Jim hijack NPR news in Washington.
NPR News: 01-26-2019 8AM ET
"NPR podcasts are now. Available on every platform checkout. All our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Giles Snyder. President Trump says his decision to agree to a deal reopening, the federal agencies closed by the partial government shutdown is in no way, a concession. He tweeted about it last night after signing short-term legislation that does not include border wall funding agreement funds government operations for three weeks onto gauche eaters. Try to work out a broader deal on border security, the head of the largest government workers union says the partial government shutdown may be over. But it could still be close to a week before affected workers receive backpay NPR's. Greg Meyer has details. Jay, David Cox, head of the American federation of government employees his been through shutdowns before. And he's learned that it takes time for. Payroll systems to get geared up again. Hopefully by at least the middle. No later than the end of next week. Then employs will be paid the union represent some seven hundred thousand government workers, including many of those furloughed, but we won't are people backed were there so happy to be back at work. They want to serve the American people. Cox says expects most of those not working will return on Monday, or even sooner in some cases. Greg Mayari NPR news Washington Secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, preparing to address the UN Security Council on Venezuela's political crisis today NPR's Michelle Kellerman reports at he'll likely face pushback from Russia, which is still supporting Venezuela's. Embattled President Nicolas Maduro secretary pump peyot describes Madero as illegitimate and says the US is doing what it can to back. The interim president Pompeo has tapped a Reagan era diplomat Elliot Abrams to lead US efforts. These are just the first step on Venezuela's road to liberty Elliot will be. Asset to our mission to help the Venezuelan people fully restore democracy and prosperity to their country. The US embassy in Venezuela remains open, though, family members and non essential employees were evacuated. Bombayo says he expects those remaining will be protected since the interim president invited them to stay after Maduro expelled them. Michelle Kellerman, NPR news, the State Department Brazil now or seven people are confirmed dead. But some two hundred remain missing after a dam collapsed at an IRA or mine and eastern Brazil to go pal. Gero volunteer with a Brazilian Red Cross describe devastation when he spoke to the BBC theorists. Who would be interpreter? It took away everything the mode took everything it became a sea of mud the places, unrecognizable. It's difficult to say, what is what train wagon completely twisted. You could only recognize it from a will. The verse Damas zone by Brazilian company called delay the company partly owned a separate Dan that collapsed in twenty fifteen killing nineteen people. That's considered Brazil's worst environmental disaster. This is NPR news. French president Emmanuel Macron is seeing a rise in his popularity as he participates in a series of nationwide debates around the country NPR's Eleanor Beardsley reports a public forums were among the demands from yellow vest. Protesters mackerel has gained four points since he began taking part in. What is being called the great national debate thirty percent of the French now say he's a good president macaroni is trying to shed his image as an aloof arrogant leader by plunging into the debates which have turned out to be quite popular. But he told one crowd of yellow vectors. They couldn't have it. All macro said changing the system is not about saying I don't vote, but I'm angry, and I'm just going to wreak havoc. But I have nothing to propose. He added that France is not an open bar and everything has a cost. Eleanor Beardsley PR news Paris, you'll Oba's protests in France today. Several demonstrations expected around Paris and other French cities for the eleventh straight weekend. The government has deployed tens of thousands of police officers to guard against the sort of violence that Mark the demonstrations fac in December, the Oscar winning composer and pianist Michelle grant has died the grants management company confirmed on Facebook that he died today in Paris. He was eighty six years old grand won three Oscars over more than fifty year career. The Australian Open has a new champion Naomi Osaka on the women's titled today. Four months after capturing her first grand slam championship. The US open Asaka beat Petric Uva in the women's final on trial Snyder. This is NPR news from Washington.
AP Headline News Jan 24 2019 06:00 (EST)
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TSA Employees Quitting Amid Govt. Shutdown
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But I was a armed security guard for reston town center in rushing Virginia. I was a mall cop, and I. Good money for part time work having to just literally stand around outside all day, look, tough and direct people to Victoria's Secret. Ben and Jerry's and Starbucks. But I if you'd a lot of tickets, if you're from the northern Virginia area beltway are and you know, about town center, you understand that we were the only mall in this area, the actually charges people for parking, and that did not make me very popular person. Hey, everyone. Welcome to some Martinez experience. I'm your host is always tubby Martinez. Go ahead and do me a favor. Follow me on Twitter today at Remm. So for VA that's four spelled out. F- O R V A R M S O F O R V A on Twitter. You can follow me on Instagram as well. You more stuff there? She's rhames. So the number four and then VA Sarim so the number four and back back to why was saying so. Yeah. That that job was basically I stood around. I looked tough. I gave people parking tickets, and I directed them to Starbucks in Victoria, secret, believer, Victoria, secret was the most. I think we got more thefts and theft reports from Victoria secret than any other location on rest in town center. It was a pretty unrewarding job. No one really likes you as a mall a needed the money. It was easy. I got to work part time doing that out. Regretted? Good learning experience. Good good humbling experience, but you know, many people when you when you think of mall cops you think that's probably like the bottom. You know, ball cops are the butt of most jokes. I mean, I've heard every Paul blurt jokey could imagine. But the thing is like even mall cops have people that we kinda shit on to make fun of. Yes, I am talking about let's say, you might hate mall cops. But on ball cop has never fondled you in areas, you did not give them explicit permission to go out, and touch as of now, we are hitting day eighteen of the federal government shutdown, and yeah, you'd think by some reports that were entering Mad Max issue toy. Via and others. It's like, you know, nothing nothing has happened. I can tell you this. I don't watch cable news. I have not really gone online to learn about this much unless I'm prepping for episode of the show and then each time, I go and Google shutdown news. It's like, you know, it's the funniest stories of popped up. If you listen to Monday's episode. I went ahead and talked about that absolutely ridiculous. Just completely fabricated article by BuzzFeed, we went ahead and broke down the false reports of deaths at national parks. They're basically saying all these people were dying national parks because of the shutdown. Then all we had to do is read the article and even the reporter admitted that none of that was true. But you know, most people just look at the headlines, so you can go ahead and check out that up. So that was that will probably lead us into today because we're covering the same thing. This is this is probably funnier than faking deaths Atta Yosemite national park and yellow. Stone and other places like all the rock canyons out. And there's out a jury seriously, just Google Ayers Rock canyon death. You're probably on the fines at least a Zev every month. It's it's terrible. But it's funny when you really think about it people just don't pay attention to where they step, and they go on places where it's pretty obvious. You probably should not be standing say. We're reading an article from the Huffington Post post TSA union warns of massive security risk as some officers quit amid shutdown. Because they're someone we feel bad for its TSA agents. We'll go ahead, and I'll just I'll just read the the gist of the article now linked to it in the show notes. Let's get started at first Transportation Security Administration. Screeners were just calling out sick from work. Now, some are quitting altogether. Their union says in a statement released Tuesday, the American federation of government employees, which represents the workers warned that safety. Take a big hit in transit hubs as the federal government shutdown drags into week three leaving staff without pay. Now. Just so, you know, federal government employees during shutdown. They so yes, they are working without pay. But they will get paid. They will get back pay for that. So yes, it sucks now by if they show up to work, they will still get that cumulated pay for the days that they? Were not getting paid immediately. So all the money that they should be getting for the work that they did put in will eventually come. There's something you never hear about on the news. Every day. I'm getting calls from my from my members about their extreme financial hardships and need for paycheck said hydric Thomas, the organizations TSA council, president some of them have already quit and many are considering quitting the federal workforce because of the shutdown. The loss of officers while were already shorthanded will create a massive security risk for American travelers since we don't get enough trainees the pipeline or the ability of process new hires. Don't you think it's funny that no one complains about this shutdown when Obama shut down the government? Our remember anything really terrible happen. Excepts everyone saying that the Republicans were about to launch a nuclear holocaust. But you know, apparently, this is just something that happens. When a Republican is president the government shuts down. Let's continue on the fact that no one wants to be they have a lack of trainees who wants to work for the. I don't know anyone that wants to work from TSA. I don't feel that did work for the left the TSA. I've never met anyone that wants to go work at the say, let's continue last week. The af GE launched a lawsuit against the federal government for forcing federal employees to show up to work. Uncompensated calling the demands in humane they're going to get compensated. Eventually it's just not happening now, but they're going to get compensated if they didn't get compensated for that then. Yeah. That would probably be inhumane, but that's not happening. Let's continue around that sign. The union stated TSA agents were starting to skip work the situation. Now appearing to be escalating. In addition to raising security issues fewer staffers on duty will increase wait times with longer lines at airports. You mean it's going to be longer than already is like my God. That's that. Okay. That is pretty terrifying. It is completely unacceptable that the women men who risk their lives. Safeguarding our airports. What's? Okay. Let's read that again is completely unacceptable that the women and men who risk their lives. Safeguarding our airports. Okay. Let's say fun fact if I were to run through a TSA security point airport would the TSA agent. Chase me don't think too hard. No because CSA has no law enforcement capability Dale have guns. They'll have tasers. They can't chase. You can't tackle you. They can't do anything. It's full on security theater. What happens is the TSA will call airport security. You know, those little police cars outside they'll call air marshals US marshals they'll get literally someone with an actual badge and the gun to go out and take care of you. But to say that the TSA is risking their lives. Have we ever heard of TSA agent dying in the line of duty last? I checked to the thin blue line flags don't really extend out to TSA if. They do. I'd like to make the argument that that more mall cops have died and risk their lives than say just just putting that out there. That is. That's that's ridiculous. That is that is just oh my gosh. I it's hard to read past that. I'm sorry. It's just a little distracting, but it is completely unacceptable that the women men who risk their safeguarding. Our airports are still required to report for work without knowing when they'll be paid again. Okay. That that part because we all know in the government's opening backup. I I understand that. But there's gotta be provision out there. I'll know that there are, but like this, you know, that part ideal understands because it's not like they're getting type of insight as to win it happens. They know as much as we do. Say officers already had the least amount of rights of any federal officer yet because they're just a step. I'm sorry. They're stuck below mall. Cops there mall cops that are called federal employees. But whatever some of the lowest pay in highest attrition rates in the government because no one wants to work there because it sucks stupid that doesn't do anything among the lowest morale of any federal agency. I believe that because if mall cops dishing on you like we used to then you've got a problem anyway working for weeks on end without being compensated while already being short staffed only makes their situation worse. He said and that part I do get. I my heart goes out to them continuing the federal government spiraled into a partial shutdown last month over congresses in the Bill to pass a spending Bill including president Donald Trump's demand for border wall funding, he seeking more than five billion. But Democrats yet budge and no end to the impasse in sight. I think it was Mark Levin. He did a breakdown. Federal budget five billion falls into and this this should who. Are if your numbers guy. It makes up point. I'm sorry zero point zero zero one percent of federal budget. Dad is chump change five billion dollars chump change compared to what the federal government spends things on. And you know, some people are wondering how should Trump deal with this issue because it's are becoming pretty pretty more parent as people start to really think of ways these the TSA, which is just full on security theater. No one really loves them as a way to score political points two things. I wanna point you two are the Boston police strike and then Ronald Reagan, dealing the air traffic controllers, but will try and break it down one by one for some of the don't know Calvin Coolidge is probably my favorite president all American history. And I'm reading an article from US history dot com. Go ahead and link this article in the show notes, but long story short there were series of strikes that were going on because of unions. And according to the article by the fall of nineteen nineteen series of strikes, hit the United States as unions attempted to gain higher wages to adjust for wartime inflation that was a big issue because of World War One. And it was our first major foreign war where I mean, we were just that was also a few years after the Federal Reserve came out. So we're just printing inflating money, and it's affecting people at home because of the draft austerity. It was a bad time. The article continues collective bargaining had long been viewed by with suspicion by many Americans who suspicions were heightened by the worker. Evolution Russian efforts to spread communism throughout the western world. In Boston, the largely Irish American police force had it's wages lag badly during the war efforts were made organized in order gain. Not only higher pay shorter hours and better working conditions. Police Commissioner Edwin you Curtis refused to sanction a police union and suspended the leaders from the workforce. I'm sorry. From the police force in August, nineteen nineteen on September ninth. More than eleven hundred officers went out on strike, which removed three fourths of of the city's which removed three fourths of the force from the city streets. Rabble-rousing Bostonians took advantage of the lack of authority and rioted on the following day. Mayor Andrew j Peter some and local militia units which managed to restore order at this juncture governor Calvin Coolidge elected the previous November decided to enter the picture after having passed up in the Nishel opportunity to resolve the matter Coolidge, some in the entire Massachusetts national guard a show of force that rapidly caused the strike to collapse in earned the governor the reputation of strict enforcer of law and order. Skip a paragraph here, and we're just remember all posts article in the in the show notes continuing Coolidge defended the decision not. Oh, actually, no, I ne- read that the striking the striking. Policemen were not allowed to recover their jobs, which wins overwhelmingly to returning servicemen coming back from the war. The new officers were granted higher pay in additional holidays and gain the additional benefit of free informs Coolidge defended the decision not to rehire. The strikers remarked to Sanyal the head of the American federation of labor proclaiming there is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody anywhere anytime and this prompted Coolidge cool just reputation to rise eventually became Harding's vice president than he succeeded Harding when he died and that he won his first reelections its own right in the in the roaring twenties. So that's what Coolidge and in a in Coolidge, the the. Biography by historian Amdi sleighs, one reason why those police officers also striked was because they refused patrol black neighborhoods, which gives cool. It's also the reputation of one of the first major civil rights president's post reconstruction, so postive awar-, obviously. That's what he did with them. Think about that. There is no right to strike against the public safety by anybody anywhere anytime. That should bother you, especially if you're one of those people that think that everyone in government is moral and righteous because obviously they wouldn't just do this for money with. They know they're they're doing it for they're they're doing it for like, you know. Grands grands reasons of success and civility and society and democracy. They're not doing it. Because they want more things though, let's continue and this article I'm reading from politico. Reagan fires eleven thousand. So it's kind of funny when you look at the numbers Calvin Coolidge fired eleven hundred police officers Reagan fires eleven thousand striking air traffic controllers on August fifth nineteen Eighty-one as a short article go ahead and jump through this real fast in one thousand nine hundred one president Ronald Reagan fired more than eleven thousand air traffic controllers who had ignored his orders to return to work sweeping mass firing federal employees showed commercial air travel. But I mean, the sweeping mass firing of federal employees slowed commercial air travel, but it did not cripple the system as. Acres had forecast two days. Earlier nearly thirteen thousand controllers walked out after contract talks with the Federal Aviation ministration clapsed as a result some seven thousand flights across the country were canceled on that day at the peak of the summer travel season. Reagan skipping a paragraph. Reagan branded the strike a legal. He threatens a fire any controller who failed to return to work within forty eight hours federal judges levied fines of one million day against the union in nineteen fifty five. Congress had made such strikes punishable by fines or one year in jail law. The US supreme court upheld in nineteen seventy-one to the chagrin of the strikers the F as contingency plans. Worked some three thousand supervisors joined in two thousand nine striking controllers and nine hundred military controllers manning, but commercial airports hours. In carrying out his threat. Reagan also imposed a lifetime ban on rehiring. The strikers in October nineteen Eighty-one the FAA authority decertified, Pat co that was the union historic historian. Joseph a McCarthy and conclude that the nineteen Eighty-one strike in defeat of Pat co was quote, one of the most important events and quote in the late twentieth century labor movement, Donald J Devine the director of the office of personal management time said quote, when the president said, no American business leaders were given a lesson in managerial leadership that they could not and did not ignore many, private sector executives have told me that they were able to cut fat from their organization and adopt more competitive work practices because what the government didn't those days. I would not be surprised if these unseen effects of this. Sector shakeout under the inspiration of the president were as profound influencing the recovery that occurred as the formal economic and fiscal programs continued to cause American discussions to grow. So right, there, you have to examples of presidents that actually, you know, took a hard stance that were deemed by the media insanely popular. But it had to be done. Nothing else could have happened when you're working for the public. I'm sorry. But things are a little bit different. You're not a private sector employees. You don't get to argue as much you don't get in the Goshi this much. And when you're looking at something that has that drastic effects? Eve gotta you gotta play ball. And you God you the hardship. And I do believe though that in situations like this there should be some emergency fund. If anything I look at TSA, and I'm thinking, why out these government agencies have anything that could at least protect their employees from at most maybe a ninety day shutdown. I think it's I think more blame needs to be put on them because they're working borrowed time borrowed money. And at some point we need to really address this. I'm hoping that is something has dressed from this. Now, bigger bigger discussion. I mean, the fact that the TSA is holding American flyers hostage. Why is that not bothering anybody? Like that. That bothers the hell out of me. I mean, it's not like they've ever not caught a tear stowaway. They haven't. In fact, I'm pretty sure that TSA let's people get through with a guns drugs and other mentionable illegal things on the pretty regular basis. So let's go ahead. And really think about this. Why not abolish? The TSA found a pretty good case for it. I know what you're thinking ram. So you're Scott site quedo or heritage or something. No, my silly, progressive friend. Let me help you this articles coming from a place that I do not necessarily care for. But it was a good article. This comes from vox, and I will go ahead include this in the show notes as well by Dylan Matthys of vox, the case for Bala Shing TSA, and is a pretty old article two way before the shutdown. So I wonder if his opinions of change, but nonetheless, good article may twenty six twenty fourteen. So he he talks about the frisking invasive body scans, racial, profiling and other indignities that we've had to deal with for when the time this at the time this was written thirteen years, and he continues it's worth remembering that, the inconvenience and injustice of TSA's activities exist for literally no reason if the agency's privacy violations knowing carry on regulations were merely the price we paid for Dusing. The incidence the incidence of terrorist attacks that'd be one thing. But as expert Bruce Schneier likes to know, there's no evidence of TSA has ever prevented a terrorist attack. And there some research suggesting it could serve to increase non airborne terrorist attacks airline security is so far as we can tell totally useless, and there's coming from vox. I don't necessarily think he has a libertarian constitutionalist stance against the TSA, but that's a good. He's providing good enough reasons right there, we continue a literature review by George Mason's, Cynthia Lum and rectors, Leslie Kennedy. Allison Shirley show. The studies testing the effectiveness of airport security specifically of metal detectors and security screenings found on average that the measures in question prevented about six point three hijackings over the years examined if that were all they found that'd be a pretty solid case for the TSA. This is one of my favorite parts. But the attacks warrant simply prevented they were barely displaced while there were six point three fewer hijackings. There were six point eight more miscellaneous bombings armed attacks hostage taking events, which which included death or wounded individuals. As opposed to non casualty incidents in both the short and long run. Oh that is things a little bit. Don't you think making hijackings harder? In other words, didn't reduce attacks. But encouraged would be hijackers to attack through other Maine's additional research done after the review has merrily concluded the screenings are infect a wash. And you can go ahead and read that entire article your cell phone clued in the show notes. Oh, man. This is like. And I'm glad to get a different perspective on this. Because I mean, definitely strengthens my opposition to the validity of the TSA by. I mean, just just the examples he provided it would've have been perfect. If he could have provided that a clip from SpongeBob where they're talking about moving the town from the giant worm that's gonna come eat it and Patrick is. Like what if we just take the city here push shoot over there? And by the time, the warm eventually does eventually plow through where the city would have been the town folks of bikini bottom got together. And they went ahead and actually literally moved the city. Man. This is this is ridiculous and two points to conclude the show. If you're TSA employees, if you're any type, public, sector employees. I'm sorry. Even when government shutdown you have to go to work, you have to go to work. That's that's actually part of your contract as a federal employee. State employs local employs you have to do. What's best for the public? Good. The public defense the common good for the public as a public sector employees. So that's that's a message to that crowd. Secondly, I'm hoping that a lesson. We learn is that we don't want to be in the situation later emergency funds. Need to be set up contingencies needs to be planned. I do feel bad for TSA workers and other federal contractors and workers who are going without pay him by contractors. You probably might think of mental image of a Raytheon or Halliburton employees. But the thing is like when they're talking about the contractors that aren't getting money. It's people that are like janitors people that are actual Labor's people that actually do need their paycheck, and I do. That is wrong for them. Not to get paid for the work. That's happening because you know, the people at the bottom usually get screwed and what's to say, they don't come up with something. That says oh sorry. We were not pay back for that. But, you know, thanks for coming in the work. We we are nation of adults running this adult government. I think is it too hard to just ask for contingency plan. So that way when this happens because it will always happen democrat, Republican, whatever this will happen, again, the future don't think this is the first government shutdown history didn't start eighteen days ago. And don't think there's going to be the last government shutdown. We to each other. It'd be responsible. But we also it to our posterity to come up with better options for how we take care of situations and each other. I do feel bad for TSA agents that are having to go through this. They don't deserve that. No one deserves that everyone needs to get paid on time. Every time all the time. But we still find something to laugh about for those of you that aren't following culture on Twitter. That's C U L T t t your e culture with three TS on Twitter. It's probably the only pages actually keep me on that side. What they did was they they're like the now this of the maga- movement to say, and it got a little bit of teams vibe to I'm doing a little bit contributing to them. I I like I like their their game. And what they did was they posted a clip from a song that comedian Owen Benjamin when ahead and wrote and sang, and I think it's beautiful, and I can't sell it. Simply just you know comedic or if it's sadly, sadly true. Oh, there's word for that satirical. I'm just gonna go ahead, and the, you know, finish the show that and take care, folks. We'll talk to you later. Who will? Sean. Lasco build the wall. 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"Live from NPR. News Washington on Giles Snyder at the daily White House Corona reaping president trump focus more on getting the economy going again. We ask every American to maintain vigilance and hygiene social. Distancing involuntary use of face coverings. Were opening our country. It's very exciting to see. We have a lot of talent involved from governors down to people that just Stand there and help you with the doors. there's been tremendous talent involved and tremendous spirit from our country and with President did not take questions and the briefing was much shorter than usual as the White House deals with backlash over. The president's remarks about whether disinfectant could prove to be a treatment for covert nineteen trump said earlier Friday that he was being sarcastic after the comments received sharp criticism warnings for melt experts amid the debate over win and how to reopen the economy Republicans Michigan's legislature appear to want to rein. In the governor's authority Michigan Governor Gretchen. Whitmer has issued a new executive order. Michigan public radio's recruiter reports a move to a rebuke from Republicans. It may have seemed like a tradeoff. Governor whitmer extended hurry emergency powers into mid-may by issuing a new executive order but the new order also relaxes some restrictions and will allow activities such as golf and boating as long as people wear face masks and remained six feet apart. She says the pace of known. New Infections is slowing. It's doing the right thing and is paying off. The majority of people in businesses also have done the right thing over the last six weeks. Let's keep it up. But Republicans in the legislature are not happy and returned to the state capital to name a special committee to examine her handling of the crisis and to require her to return more often to renew her orders for NPR news. I'm Rick Luda in Lansing Michigan West. Virginia Governor Jim Justice urging the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons to halt the plan. Transfer of inmates to a federal facility in the state they missed it of West Virginia public broadcasting reports justices arguing at the transfer could undo successful Corona Virus. Mitigation Practices justices allowing the transfer of inmates. Would be quote unwise and unnecessary. The letter comes after the president of a local labor union said. He was made aware this week of the plan. Transfers American Federation of Government Employees Local for twenty president. Richard Hildreth says he was told hundreds of inmates would be brought to Hazleton pitted injury from jails in the District of Columbia. The DC Department of Corrections has reported one hundred ten cases of the virus in one death. A federal judge ordered the system to improve hygiene and social distancing in their facilities the Hazelton complex which houses more than four thousand. Inmates has not reported case of the virus the US Bureau of prisons declined to comment on any transfers for NPR news. I'm Dave mistake in Morgantown West Virginia. And you're listening to NPR news. A California law requiring background checks for people buying ammunition has been blocked by a federal judge in Peers Twain. Brown reports judge ruled. The law violates the constitutional right to bear arms. The ruling takes effect immediately in California at the time when some gun stores have been ordered to shut down due to the corona virus. There was even a run on people trying to buy firearms as the pandemic force. Most non essential businesses in the state to close on Thursday a federal judge in San Diego ruled in favor of the California Rifle Association scrapping the State's requirement for people purchasing ammunition. The also pass a background check. California will likely appeal the decision Dwayne Brown. Npr News Los Angeles early fifty three thousand people in Brazil or now confirmed as infected with the corona virus and now another top government official has resigned. Npr's Philip Reeve says this comes says President Bolsonaro faces increasing political upheaval. Says Yo Mato has quit? As Justice Minister he was one of the Brazilian governments most powerful figures a former judge. Who before taking this one huge popularity for CAMPAIGNING AGAINST CORRUPTION MOTTO SAYS? He resigned because both sacked the federal police chief. That's unacceptable political interference Mojo. His departure comes at a particularly turbulent. Time Bolsonaro is struggling with the corona virus pandemic and the vast economic damage. That's causing last week. Not Caused widespread anger by firing his Health Minister. Partly because they disagreed of social isolation measures for the breathes. Npr News Radio. Nato and Joyal Snyder in Washington.
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"Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the. Hi, jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like tell us what you want to pay. Hey, and the trombone goes, blah, blah, blah, and you say, we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at ya. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. APD radio news. I'm Ed Donahue, President Trump says he has options when it comes to border security. Emergency before leaving for Texas in an area near the Mexico border. The president talked about border security and the partial government shutdown. He says Democrats have gone crazy and won't budge on his insistence of five point seven billion dollars for a border wall in my vocabulary. So we're either going to have a win make compromise. Because I think it compromises a win for everybody or I will declare a national house speaker Nancy Pelosi was in a very quick meeting yesterday at the White House with President Trump president unpresidential surprise surprise yesterday and his and his behavior. I think the meeting was set up. So it could walk out in the Senate. Vermont Democrat Patrick layhee says the partial shutdown needs to end his tire for Republicans and Democrats are joined together to tell the president to put a stop to the south from flicked wound on this great country. The partial shutdown means some government workers will not be getting paychecks. Job. Jay, David Cox. When the American federation of government workers was speaking to Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell at a rally in Washington, shakedown brothers and sisters, if a shakedown it couldn't be more of a shakedown if they were wearing a mask and a gun. I can tell you that what's being held hostage. Our tax dollars are being held hostage. The association that represents thousands of FBI agents warned of a partial shutdown could cause laboratory delays reduce money for investigations as well department store. Retailers getting hammered this morning on Wall Street after lackluster holiday sales. This is AP radio. News lady Gaga is regretting a recording. With our Kelly lady Gaga says she Surrey. She did this. Gaga did her song. Do what you want with my body in two thousand thirteen is a duet with our Kelly hitmaker been the subject of years of allegations that he abused women and girls charges covered in new TV series. Gaga says the collaboration came at a dark time in her life is a sex assault survivor and that she should have sought therapy. Instead our Kelly's denied wrongdoing. Warren Levinson, New York. Police in South Carolina, say McDonald's customer became angry over the wait for his order and through hot coffee in the face of a teenage dry through worker that worker in Camden, South Carolina, did not require any medical treatment. Police releasing surveillance video of the man in the public for help in finding no arrests have been made. I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio news.
Democracy Now! 2019-01-02 Wednesday
"From New York, this is democracy. Now, if we don't get what we want one way or the other whether it's through you through military through anything you want to call. I will shut down. And I am proud. I am proud to shut down the government for border security. It's twelve of the government shutdown is President Trump prepares for another White House meeting with congressional leaders. We look at the impact on the eight hundred thousand federal workers furloughed or being forced to work without pay one of the country's largest unions representing federal government workers is suing the Trump administration over the shutdown. We'll speak with the lead of Terni in lawsuit and David Borer general counsel for the American federation of government employees, then to Brazil where former far-right army captain j or both scenario has been sworn in as president to the world's fourth largest democracy. You're going to restore order in this country. We are aware of this awesome responsibility. And the challenges that we will face. We know where we want to go and the potential that Brazil has. Now, the Workers Party candidate who ran against Bolsonaro per precedent. Both out his whole life has been lifting not only the dictatorship itself. But also the methods that tater ship used to stay in power, including torture is Brazil's young democracy at risk all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot or the warring piece report, I make Goodman in Brazil, the far, right? Former army captain j Bolsonaro was sworn in as Brazil's forty second president on New Year's day declaring liberation from socialism and promising to restore law and order to Brazilian society. Barka gets also urgent that we put an end to this ideology of defending the criminals and criminalizing the police this has brought about an increase in violence in Brazil, and in the power of organized crime taking the lives of those who are innocent, destroying families and bringing insecurity everywhere. All we are going to restore order in this country. We are aware of this awesome responsibility. And the challenges that we will face. We know where we want to go and the potential that Brazil has many the're Brazil's young democracy is now at risk for years. Both Sinato has praised bristles former military dictatorship while speaking in favor of torture and threatening to destroy him prisoner banishes political opponents later in the broadcast. We'll air our interview with Fernando had Daddah the Workers Party candidate who lost in the runoff election against Bolsonaro last October the partial government shutdown enters its twelfth day today as President Trump prepares to meet with congressional leaders. Just today before Democrats take control of the house, President Trump's insisted on including five billion dollars for border wall funding before he'll agree to sign any spending measure eight hundred thousand government workers lives have been thrown into disarray by the shutdown with three hundred eighty thousand workers furloughed and another four hundred twenty. Force to work without pay since the house and Senate failed to pass an end-of-year spending Bill on December twenty second after headlines, we'll speak with lawyers for the federal workers union. That's suing the Trump administration saying it's illegal to make federal workers work without pay US border agents tear-gas migrants at the US Mexico border early Tuesday, the attack occurred in the same area as the teargassing November at the border between Tijuana and Sunday, the tear-gas reportedly affected women and children who are midst the group of targeted migrants. Meanwhile, President Trump addressed the deaths of two migrant children in US custody Saturday in a tweet he blamed Democrats for their deaths saying, quote, any deaths of children or others at the border was strictly the full of the Democrats in their pathetic immigration policies that allow people to make the long trek thinking they can enter our country legally, they can't if we had a wall, they wouldn't even. Try the president tweeted. In texas. Immigrant rights activists. Shut down the entrance to the tornado tent camp on New Year's Eve where several thousand immigrant youth are being detained. The activists have been organizing daily actions for the past two weeks under the banner of Christmas in tornado. So my name is did you spend. I have a Dallas county committee organiser, and we are here. That's her Neo Puerto entry in front of a cousin Chason cow. Essential American miners who are teenagers between the ages of twelve and seventeen. This is the only way we're gonna shut this place down with resistance with action is with our voices is with the stories that we here, we're tired of this. This shouldn't be happening in America. We are the most incarcerated country in the world. And it's sad that we celebrate. Freedom tornado facility has come under fire from immigrant and human rights activists democratic lawmakers and health professionals last month this shelter operator Baptist child and family services said. Expected to close the facility by mid January. Meanwhile in Arizona, the Maricopa County sheriff's office referred apparent evidence of abuse at a children's immigration prison to prosecutors Monday. Last week local publication posted surveillance video reportedly dating from September from the hussy ended they'll sold attention center. In young town, showing staffers dragging slapping and pushing children the facility run by south west key was shut down at the end of October. The Arizona department of health services had accused southwest key in September of failing to provide evidence of staff background checks US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Brazil, where both men were attendance for the new Brazilian president show your bowl sonatas inauguration palm peyot address. Trump's recent decision to withdraw US troops from Syria. President on Syria in no way, changes anything that doesn't ministration is working alongside Israel, the counter ISIS campaign continues or efforts to counter rainy aggression continue and our commitment to Middle East ability in the protection of Israel continues. In the same way. Didn't for that decision was made US officials said Monday, the military will have four months to withdraw troops from Syria rather than the thirty days initially announced by Trump. The withdrawal will be overseen by Patrick Shanahan, the former Boeing executive though weapons manufacturer Shanahan became acting secretary of defense on New Year's day after the former Pentagon chief James Mattis resigned in protest of Trump's foreign policy is rarely Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also met with president poll. Sonata in Brazil Netanyahu said the newly inaugurated president told them Brazil would move their embassy to Jerusalem following the US move to may of last year. Both not reportedly said, it's not a question of if just a question. Of when is also reportedly considering moving their embassy to Jerusalem in Gaza mourners gathered at the funeral of Twenty-six-year-old Khurram, Fiat on Saturday, a Palestinian man who was killed Friday rarely forces during a protest of the separation barrier with Israel Friday, Mark the fortieth consecutive week of protests under the banner of the great March of return Israeli forces have killed at least two hundred forty Palestinian protesters injured at least eighteen thousand others since March thirtieth of last year, the United States in Israel are as of yesterday officially out of UNESCO. That's the United Nations scientific and Cultural Organization. The Trump administration announced withdrawal October of two thousand seventeen citing anti-israel bias with Israel following suit immediately after both the US and Israel had stopped paying member do since two thousand eleven after Palestine joined UNESCO and televised. New Year's address North Korean leader. Kim. On said he would like to meet with President Trump for a second summit on a possible denuclearization deal while threatening to resume nuclear efforts. If the US does not offer any concessions on sanctions. Didn't that he'd be? I am always ready to sit down again with the US president at any time, and we'll make efforts to produce an outcome that the international community would welcome. However, the US miscalculates our people's patients forces something upon us in pursues sanctions and pressure without keeping a promise. It made in front of the world. We've no option but to explore a new path in order to protect our sovereignty, and she peace on the Korean peninsula historic summit in June Trump and Kim pledge to work toward completing nuclearization the Korean peninsula, but since been at an impasse over the issue of lifting sanctions on North Korea net. Flicks is coming under fire for pulling an episode of the US Canadian has son manha- GIS show Patriot Act from Saudi Arabia after officials from the kingdom complained to the streaming company. The episode which became available in late October a few weeks after Saudi journalists Jamaica show, she's. Murder in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was sharply critical of the Saudi Royal family, and in particular crown prince Mohammad bin some on. Was shocked by all of the anger over the killing of one journalist. According to the Wall Street Journal on a phone call with Jared Kushner, NBS asked why the outrage in frankly, NBS is confusion is completely understandable. He's been getting away with critic like this for years with almost no blowback from the international community slams, the Saudi regime and the crown prince for its cover up of kashogi, she's killing its persecution of women and human rights activists, and it central and the ongoing war on Yemen. He also calls out the long standing relationship between Saudi Arabia and the United States and skewers the western portrayal of the crown prince as a modern reformer in Bangladesh at least seventeen people were killed during violent clashes between the leading party and its opposition voters headed to the poll Sunday, the ruling Awami League party swept the parliamentary elections ensuring a third term for the. Prime minister Shaka sina opposition leaders election observers who called out gross regularities and voting alleging widespread voter, intimidation and restrictions on polling agents in the Philippines. Flash floods and landslides killed at least eighty five people since Saturday when a tropical depression dumped, torrential rain onto the Philippines. Search and rescue teams are looking for survivors. Meanwhile, a landslide and Indonesia's West Java province killed at least fifteen people in New Year's Eve with scores. Still missing this came just over week after a devastating snob. Provoked by the eruption of Krakatoa. Volcano killed at least four hundred thirty Indonesians Massachusetts democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren announced Monday, she's launching an exploratory committee for a possible. Twenty twenty presidential campaign should becomes the first highest profile democrat to confirm her likely presidential bid, and what is expected to be a crowded primary field for video announcement took on the familiar themes of economic inequality. Entity and raining in corporate greed. This is Warren speaking to reporters later that day America's middle class is getting hollowed out and opportunity for too many of our young people is shrinking. So I'm in this fight all the way right now. Washington works great for the wealthy. And the well connected is just not working for anyone else. But I am optimistic. I believe in what we can do together. I'm going to build a grassroots campaign on Tuesday. Senator Warren said she plans to visit Iowa this weekend. I was a popular I stop for presidential candidates is it's the first state to vote in the primaries. Climate activists pushing for the creation of a green new deal committee when Democrats take control of the house this week. We're met with disappointment Friday when presumptive incoming house speaker Nancy Pelosi announced the creation of another environmental panel. Instead, the select committee on the crime climate crisis is set to be led. By longstanding, Florida, congressman Kathy castor, proponents of the green new deal have argued the panel will be too weak as it will not have legislative power and may not have subpoena power. The proposal for green new deal also sought to bar congress members who accept money from the fossil fuel industry at least forty five. Congress members have backed the green new deal spearheaded by incoming New York. Congress member Alexandra Cossio Cortez high profile senators, including Bernie Sanders, Cory Booker and Elizabeth Warren have also come out in support of the proposal. The Trump administration's proposed rule changes that would make it far easier for coal fired power plants to release mercury and other toxins into the atmosphere. The plan proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency Friday with change how the federal government calculates the cost of pollution on Uman health dramatically. Downplaying the financial burden to society from debts and Ellis's the Obama administration estimated the rules now set to be overturned would prevent eleven thou-. Thousand premature deaths each year incoming Republican Senator Mitt Romney of Utah rights. President Trump has not risen to the mantle of the office. And a New Year's day up published by the Washington Post Romney says he supports Trump's policies, including tax cut, St. regulation, the appointment of conservative judges to federal courts, but Romney says Trump has failed to show. Honesty, and integrity is president writing quote with the nation so divided resentful and angry presidential leadership and qualities of character is indispensable, and it is in this province where the incumbent shortfall has been most glaring Romney's. Among the freshmen members of congress set to be sworn in by vice President Mike Pence on Thursday. The Trump administration's taken steps to shield the interior department from public scrutiny proposing rule changes that would allow it to deny freedom of information act request it considers too large or quote unreasonably. Burdensome the interior department's proposed rule changes were filed in the Federal Register. On Friday, just two weeks after interior secretary. Ryan Zinke was forced to step down amid seventeen federal investigations into a suspected ethics violations and corruption in California, the two year old boy whose Yemeni mother was banned from entering the US due to the Trump administration's travel ban died on Friday of the Hassan who is an American citizen had aware brain disorder and was being treated in the US, but his mother shaima sweater had had to sue in order to get a waiver to travel because she was from Yemen, one of the five majority Muslim countries who citizens are barred from entering the US. They were reunited just over a week before the toddler's death. This is up Dula Hassan's father, Ali Hassan. Leo her today because my govern fell off family. I am US citizen mustn't US citizen. The Muslim ban. My wife from coming to the years for over a year. I meet to choose between my son health and keeping our together. We are nine we know our son did neither by in vain. We hope Phyllis Drago and passing. The people who are picked by the Muslim ban from Yemen. Leave yet Iran, Somalia and Syria. Through his life policy will be changed and families would be reunited, and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy. Now democracy, now dot or the Warren peace report. I mean, he Goodman Gonzalves welcome tool of our listen viewers across the country and around the world. The government shutdown enters its twelfth day as President Trump prepares to meet with congressional leaders. Just a day before Democrats take control of the house. President Trump has insisted on including five billion dollars for a border wall. Funding before he'll agree to sign any spending measure Trump tweeted, Tuesday, quote, border security, and the wall thing and shut is not where Nancy Pelosi wanted to start her tenure as speaker. Let's make a deal. Eight hundred thousand government workers lies have been thrown into disarray by the shutdown with three hundred eighty thousand on furlough and four hundred and twenty thousand who have worked without pay since the house and Senate fail to pass end of year spending Bill on December twenty second. This is President Trump. Speaking of Fox News on New Year's day. So how are you willing to go? Mr President, Wendy anticipate talks with Chuck and Nancy as you say, sir. Well, I assume when they get back I'm in Washington, I'm ready willing and able in the White House. I'm ready to go that can come over right now. They could've come over. Anytime. I spend Christmas in the White House. I spent New Year's Eve now in the White House. And you know, I'm here, I'm ready to go. It's very important to lot of people are looking paycheck. And so I'm ready to go anytime they want. No, we are not giving up. We have to have security and the wall is a big part of border security. The biggest part this comes as Trump is issued an executive order freezing federal workers pay eliminating two point one percent pay raise that was set to kick in in January turn out to look at federal workers union that's suing the Trump administration over the shutdown the American federation of government employees, or af she says it's legal for federal workers to be forced to work without pay in Washington DC were joined by two guests, David borers general counsel, the American federation of government employees. As and Heidi Brakha wits is the lead attorney in a lawsuit suing the federal government and behalf of members of af AFG and federal employees being forced to work without pay during the partial government shutdown. She's a partner at the law firm college RV choosy Newman, Fitch, we welcome you both to democracy now, David Borer, let's begin with you. Spent a lot of time in airports this weekend. And I talked to a lot of TSA agents. They're all being forced to work without pay. Can you explain how this is legal in any way? Good morning, Amy. That's right. We represent forty two thousand TSA workers. And yes, they're being forced to work without pay. They've been designated as a central employee's in. There is no pay for for them or other the furloughed employees because of the laps and appropriations when the spending authority ran out before the holidays. So yes, they're being forced to work without pay four hundred thousand federal employees coming to work every day and essential services like TSA like the bureau prisons, like food inspectors and so forth, and yet no promise even that they will ever be paid for this. Well, Heidi Barack oh, it's this is not the first time. This has happened. Can you talk about the lawsuit that was previously filed on this issue? It was back in two thousand thirteen and how far that got along the way in terms of legally deciding the government's power in regard, the shutdowns. Yes, good morning. The lawsuit that we filed just a few days ago alleges that the government's violating the fair labor standards act. It's a depression era law that sets the basic floor in minimum for worker protections in this country, it applies to all employers, including the United States of America in two thousand and thirteen on after the government shutdown in October two thousand and thirteen we've held a similar lawsuit also alleging violation of the say in response to the government's motion to dismiss the judge determined that. In fact, the government had violated the F say, the only issue left in the case was whether or not the government was liable for liquidated damages the. Court subsequently ruled that the government had not acted in good faith, when it required all of these essential workers to go to work and not get paid on their regularly scheduled payday during the shutdown, and that's exactly what's happening again. Now, we're going to go to break and then come back to this discussion with Heidi Barack wits lead attorney in a lawsuit against the federal government on behalf of the workers. David Borer, the general counsel for af G E. That's the American federation of government employees about eight hundred thousand workers are being forced to work without pay or are furloughed right now, those that are furloughed will not be paid for this time. This is democracy. Now back in a minute. Somebody changed the lock by Dr John this is democracy. Now. I mean, he Goodman with one Gonzales the government shutdown enters its twelfth day today as President Trump prepares to meet with congressional leaders. Just a day before Democrats take control of the house. Eight hundred thousand government workers lives have been disrupted by the shutdown three hundred eighty thousand workers on furlough four hundred twenty thousand who work without pay since December twenty second Rosen Trump insisted on including five billion dollars for Boorda wolf funding before he will agree to sign and he's spending measure on Christmas day. Trump said the partial government shutdown will last until Democrats agree to five billion dollars water invulnerable funding, despite his campaign pledge that he would make Mexico pay for a wall. I can't tell you what the government's going to be open. I can tell you. It's not gonna be open until we have a wall fence, whatever they'd like to call it. I'll call whatever they will. What it's all the same thing. It's a barrier. From people pouring into our company into our country from drugs, it's a barrier from drugs. The only way you're going to do is to have a physical barrier meaning of wall. And if you don't have that then which is not opening in Washington DC still with us, David general counsel American federation of government employees and Heidi Barack wits lead attorney lawsuits suing the federal government on behalf of federal workers. Now, he's talking about the wall for security, David. I mean, this is an astounding story you have all of these people in charge of security the TSA agents at the airports like the border agents on the border. None of them are being paid. And it's we've you the Trump shutdown is another example of what happens when the government plays politics with the federal workforce. If you remember the government shutdown nineteen ninety five and ninety six Newt Gingrich said part of the reason for it was that President Clinton had not talked to him on their way back from soccer beans funeral on Air Force One. And he felt snubbed. And therefore he shut down the government this time, even though in in the first two years of his administration, the Republicans control both houses of the congress. President Trump was unable to get funding for his supposed wall. And now he's throwing tampering much like Newt Gingrich did and making federal employees pay the price and David for one about this. This. Freeze on the cost of living increases that workers are supposed to receive in January again, this is not the first time. This has happened. It's and it's happened not just under Republican presidents. But also on the democratic presidents that the White House has used pay scheduled pay increases for federal workers to in essence raid, the federal work is money in order to to deal with other issues in the budget. That's right. They we've we've said they've they've used the federal employees pay and benefits as an ATM for many years. There was pay freezes under the Obama administration in now President Trump has stopped the pay increase. It was already slated for twenty nineteen. We still have a broad support in the congress for that pay increase. So we're hopeful and we're working every day to revive that in in the new congress. But. Yes. It's part of a pattern where the politicians try to balance their books on the backs of federal workers. Heidi Barack wits. Can you talk about the working people who are not being paid right now from the airports the busiest time the holiday time to the prisons? Yes. The named plaintiffs in the lawsuit both work for the Federal Bureau of prisons. They have extremely dangerous jobs over the last two years. The prisons Federal Bureau prisons has become incredibly understaffed critically understaffed. So these people who are working dangerous jobs are also having to work, excessive amounts of overtime. And they're having to do it. And they don't know when the shutdowns going to end when they're going to get their next paycheck. I can't imagine what it's like to walk into federal prison and not know of today's the day something bad's going to happen. And also be worried about how gonna pay my mortgage when I'm gonna get my next paycheck. How I'm going to buy groceries for my kids. It's not just the Federal Bureau prisons as David said, it's TSA workers during the busiest time of the year in the airports federal law enforcement, federal firefighters, all the people who we think of as first responders and David Borer, assuming. This thing is resolved of soon. Hopefully or in the next week or two what is what's the historical record? In terms of how people are made whole will congress pass a a budget resolution that in essence provides back pay to both those who worked without pay as well as those who were furloughed what's been a usual procedure. That's right. The we will work closely with our our key members of congress in past shutdowns they've adopted along with the resolution to reopen government funding for back pay for both those who are. Working without pay and for those who are furloughed through no fault of their own and sitting home with no prospect of their next paycheck. Self. Talk about who essential workers are and how it's decided who gets who's forced to pay and Heidi wanted to ask you about overtime or workers who are not being paid right now also being forced to work overtime. So who gets furloughed and who has to work without pay. Well, the employees who are determined to be your -sential are literally just that. They're the essential people that are needed to keep our country functioning to keep the rest of his safe as I mentioned before the people that run the Federal Bureau of prisons. There's approximately one hundred twenty federal prisons around the country TSA federal law enforcement. And so these are people are absolutely working during the shutdown without pay, and they are required to work overtime, one of the named plaintiffs in the case went into work at four PM on New Year's Eve expecting to get off at twelve AM because of the understaffing he was mandatory didn't had to stay until eight AM the next morning that's happening routinely, and all of these employees are not getting paid for it while they're doing this work. And of course, when you have understaffed persons, you have less safe prisons for the prisoners as well, absolutely David bore. This whole issue of which this is a partial shutdown there. Many government agencies that are functioning we'll saw the the all of the press releases over Nastase recent. Of flights of. Could you talk about how the decision is made which agencies are being closed down and not funded and and which contain a function. Yeah. It's all about the appropriations process in congress. And. About half of the government or more than half actually is already funded separately through congressional action. It was approved some point earlier that still in effect. So for example, you mentioned asks the social security administration, the VA those are all running as usual on on the basis of funding that was approved separately at an earlier time as it happened. The the appropriations Bill for the department of homeland security in some of these other departments agriculture and several others was what was expiring here at the end of the year. And so those are the agencies now that are affected by this. You talk about this whole issue of constantly doing continuing resolutions instead of actually getting an annual budget approved so that both the agencies and their employees can have some sense of security in terms of their of their revenue. Streams? I I wish I had the solution for that. The our politics are such that, you know, getting an actual government wide budget resolution passed and approved by the president has been virtually impossible for a long time. And so we've fallen into this sort of bad habit of operating the government on continuing resolutions, and that sets us up for each time. The continuing resolution is about to expire. It's an invitation for the politicians to play games with their pet projects and jeopardize the incomes and livelihood of our workers. I want to ask you about the impact of the shutdown in the national parks, the Washington Post reporting, quote, the government shut ten is left, America's national parks. Largely unsupervised. No one's that. The gate. No one's collecting feed. The visitors centers closed there's some law enforcement emergency personnel on site. But certainly nothing as standard as a park ranger who can answer question. People are streaming into the parks. Join the free access, but they're finding trash can's overflowing restrooms. Locked vault toilets or not service. There's hardly a flush toilet to be found anywhere nature calls. Well, the woods are over that way. They quote, the Los Angeles Times reporting parts of Yosemite national park as people are just using the ground as toilet of had to be closed for public safety reasons. Heidi Barack quits, if you could talk more about this and other workers around the country that people might not think about and then although you're suing on behalf of federal workers like the prison where. Workers you've got the kora Laurie effects. This are the the private sector that serve the federal workers that usually go to work. Yes. Well, the federal employees that I represent federal workers that I know they take great pride in their job. And no one is happy. Whether it's the furloughed employees who are sitting at home who are not able to take care of the national parks, or it's the people who are going to work because they're essential and doing dangerous job. This is an example of dysfunction at its best in what we want is shutdown to end in these employees to be able to get back to work taking care of the parks and the rest of our country and know when they're going to get their next paycheck. So what do you expect to come out of your lawsuit? Now has the government responded. And what do you understand is happening at this meeting today between President Trump and the Republican and democratic legislative leaders? As far as the lawsuit. The next step will be that the government will file a responsive pleading. So we don't expect anything to happen with the lawsuit and the next day or two for example. I can't under estimate. However that the federal workforce has already been severely harmed by the shutdown and how long it's lasted thus far. They don't know when it's going to end, and they don't know how to budget for their own finances because they don't know when they're going to get another paycheck the creators of the epilepsy. Back in the depression made the decision that the workforce should be able to depend on when they're going to get their paychecks. So that they can schedule their own finances take care of their own affairs in this is a blatant violation of the laws. The judge said in our two thousand and thirteen case the government just didn't act in good faith, when it didn't take steps to make sure that these workers are getting paid on time potential for damages on on top of the. The the backpay of Lawson's goals to an actual trial. Absolutely. The the apple say provides for liquidated or double damages, and that's to compensate the employee is for interest charges late payment fees and the stress that they're going through now of not getting their pay on time. David your final comment is we go out today and Trump prepares for this meeting blaming the Democrats, particularly Nancy Pelosi is drop tr- Charles Schumer from the blame at the moment and going into this meeting. Now that we said he would take the blame for this. Of course, he's now putting the blame on others. Whoa. He's attempting to we've you this is the Trump shut down. And I think it's obvious to everybody. The last spending Bill was approved overwhelmingly in the congress with bipartisan support, it was unanimous in the Senate. And that's such a rare thing we should take note of that the the only hold up at this point is President Trump, and you know, too bad about his wall. But if he couldn't get it through the Republican congress, he's not going to get it through the democratic house, and it's time to let federal workers go back to work and pay them on time. David barr. Thank you for being with us general counsel for Chee, Heidi Berkowitz, the lead attorney in a lawsuit suing the federal government on behalf of AFG members and federal employees being forced to work without pay. Thanks so much for being with us. This is democracy. Now when we come back GR sonata. Oh has been sworn in as the next president of the world's fourth largest democracy. Brazil, we'll speak with the men who lost to him about what? Brazil might look like stay with us. Six. Multi food because of. TD get bus to synthesize movies. Komo selene. News. This. Rutten powers by Layla Pineyro, this is democracy. Now. I mean me Goodman with one Gonzales, we turn now to Brazil. We're far right Fulmer army captain Abel scenario was sworn in as president of the world's fourth largest democracy on New Year's day. I state the four everyone today the day when people were liberated from socialism. This is our flag, and it will never again be read. Both an hour was sworn in as Brazil's forty second president marking the most radical political shift in the country since military rule ended more than thirty years ago. Many fear Brazil's young democracy is now at risk scenario has announced Brazil will withdraw from hosting this year's United Nations climate change conference. This comes as environmentalists fear. He will speed catastrophic climate change by opening a vast swath of the Amazon to agribusiness giants Brazil's new foreign minister at Nestle auto has described climate change as a plot by cultural marxists, aiming to help China so far both in that has named five. Former military officials to serve in his cabinet for years supposed to not us praise Brazil's former military dictatorship which ended thirty three years. Ago. He's also spoken in favour of torture and threaten to destroy imprison or banish, his political opponents human rights groups are also alarmed over both Sinatra's pass comments about women in the community. He wants told a female lawmaker she was too ugly to rape. He also said he would rather hear his son died in a car crashed and learned that his son is gay. But also not oh has been warmly received by the Trump administration national security adviser, John Bolton describable sonata a like-minded partner Bolton in both Sinato met in Rio in November where they reportedly talked about trade Israel and Cuba during the meeting Bolton invited both Sinato to come to Washington on the economic front. Jere Bolsonaro has tapped an economist who was told at the university of Chicago oversee is economic plan which includes slashing pensions and the mass privatization of many state run companies. The economists Powell who Edis taught at the university of Chile during the reign of general. Still Pinochet Bolsonaro recently picked search you'll model to service Justice minister Moto is the judge who convicted the former Brazilian president louisi- NAS your Silva in a controversial corruption case that prevented Lula from running for president than last year's election. This helped pave the way for both victory remains in prison serving a twelve year sentence, we'll democracy now recently spoke with for non though dodger who ran against ball Sinato, the Workers Party wants Lula was barred from running both in auto beat him fifty five to forty five percent dodge is Brazil's former minister of education, the former mayor of Sao Paulo when it largest cities in the world. I began by asking for NANDA had idea about the comparisons between both Sinato and Donald Trump. The Steelers and the boss natto is a tropical Trump. They have a very common agenda, very regressive agenda when it comes to civil rights social rights. Environmental rights is the conomic standpoint. There's a major difference between the two of them adot. The also Naido deceive adopting might hey, regressive policy as regards rights, but a neo-liberal policy when it comes to economic policy. This who you mentioned who is going to be his minister of the economy. When he was that. She Kabul was trained at the university of Chicago says meant he maintains that belief his belief in that sort of thinking which was actually defeated by history of total liberalisation Chieveley stop ties. Hugh talked about the massive state assets. Particularly oil companies that are managed by the state today. Suvival next year, there's likely to be a savage privatization of those assets. GD and unbound struggle against workers rights and social rights in Brazil to keep rotations my sports gutting the about five shit that protects the poorest of the poor and workers in relation to their employers. So if I mean economic standpoint there is a difference. That should be noted is once again Dopp thing new liberal agenda, very strong, neoliberal agenda beyond what happened in the nineteen ninety s. Can you talk about the cabinet that fall Sinato is putting together? Now, five former military officials serving in his cabinet praising the former military dictatorship. Major to pass new, but as it's really unprecedented certainly getting pretty sale. See him all day on the content as militates very difficult to attain a contest and modern to my proceed with the appointment of so many military people as is going to happen in the future nistration abo-. So not therefore it isn't alliance. That involves externally alignment with Trump policies highly regressive do point as I've indicated from the standpoint radicalized version of Neo clip. But I would also not attention to both an appreciation of a fundamentalist enchanted from the standpoint of customs, he is very close to Neo Pentecostal, which in Brazil recently has been dotting positions hostile towards political minorities in Brazil, but even against a Joyti such as blacks and women did Macy's was cheese hostile messages in his discourse. Go ahead. Support. It would be very difficult for the Stamford without strong military support school, Gino tizzy mail to digest do be consistent with his discourse of lifting up the military dictatorship in Brazil the dictatorship that extended from nineteen sixty four to nineteen eighty five. Also out his whole life has been uplifting. Not only the dictatorship itself. But also the methods that tater ship used to stay in power, including torture has threatened to destroy in prison or banish political opponents certainly you would be chief among them. You ran against him for president and men he was running against before Lula is in prison. Are you concerned? Mys- biblical course acquaintances Lou just more concerned about the consequences of both when I was in discourse on regular citizens and its impact on myself because what is happening in Brazil is that as. Regular folk journalists and university professors LGBT Memphis, LGBT community are all feeling insecure in Brazil and my concern. Well. With saints. Let me put his you have sufficient means to protect myself to all those who get involved in politics in Latin America nowadays cannot be afraid of anything because they really don't have a right to the afraid. But my concern is with common citizens common citizens who may be suffering anguish at this time. It is he'll be because of no assurance for their lives on the part of the state. This is the problem that is facing and the resistance will also be based on those persons because presume the situations very complex forty five percent of the voters that I won the we'll go into organize and resist threats that sort. So I believe that in Brazil, there will be as there is in the United States. Sport. And I say effort defense rights that have been defended for two hundred years in the west of world, the expansion of civil political, social and environmental rights the push Simpson's. Well, it's after two hundred years of struggle. They can't just Sapir when you first came into our studio today, and I asked you what you're doing here in the United States. You said well Trump spent empower for two years you guys are preparing for both Sinato talk about that. What that means to you that Trump won love, I consider the Trump administration to be serious backside in relation to what I believe is the objective of politics. The objective of politics is always to build a scenarios in which horizons can be expanded ever more any political action that is aimed at restricting individuals horizons is as I see it. Regressive action in relations political scope it as who the political values that I am brace aspect. Also Nado in that regard. I do Trump is an ally of Trump. He is a person who is constantly announcing restrictions on rights, and I would include environmental rights in that. As I see it the right to healthy environment is a human right because disrespecting the future of the future generations. Well, safeguarding the ability of generations with a planet is part. T- expansion of horizons in western democracies for our selves and for future generations. So I stopped. Those would like to understand what's happening in the United States. Via university. Professor I foresaw Trump's victory because if the movements I was surfing around the world, I am professor political science, but I believe. The United States has become a laboratory for us for us to organize and opposition which is not opposition to the country, but rather invasion of humanism in favor of the human species in favor. Expanding. This space for freedom and for the emancipation of each and every one of us, President Trump calls the media. The enemy of the people talk about the role of the media and Brazil also in your campaign running for president who it served. Amedure noble zoo mood, conservative the median Brazil is very conservative middle star Mundi boot pocus funny. Liz most spoke was group as you're going to cut some of all they're very I it's in the hands of just a few families. It's practically cartels the media and it operates ideologically. So we'll have been -opoly bought a single sink familias Bill. Meaning now, even though it's four or five families that dominates circulation of information in Brazil, feminine idol standpoint, they very much aligned with the same purpose since synthetic while throughout the nineteen sixteen four Khuda time media was consistent with it. Peach them being in the two thousand sixteen coup that resulted in the impeachment the. Media articles all acted with the single voice. It's as though they were all Fox News. Nothing really different. If the Fox News in Brazil. Choice that we don't really have a plurality of opinions being voice as the United States. So it's even tougher than here. And even so we'll their elite will there. The bulls on the incoming administration the most night administration criticizes the little bit that is left of fact of turtles in Brazil the little bit that has remained of critical thought is the target of hostility by the incoming administration. Both natto calls media in Brazil, fake news. Just like President Trump calls the media here in this country. What impact do you think Facebook had the election? Facebook owns what's at the popular message site that was widely used to distribute false news leading up to the election. What's a little bit of Zuta v? What's up in Brazil played a crucial role decisive role in the elections. We have a two round election in Brazil because we have many political parties then so there are two rounds for the presidential election. And till the we one week before the first round to us, not all the polls said that I would be winning in the projections for the second round, they they both had not only would I go to the second round. But that I would likely win in the second round now that ended interest in week Jamaica science false with a massive triggering of false messages tonight, use Twitter Facebook, but did use what's happy to heavier difficult in the second round now to turn back to undo damage done in the last week. The first is found election up to the first round election, and they. We don't know what that is. Wet focused up behind all of this the resources behind this those who finance these actions, and these occur not only in Brazil there several specialists in the United States as well. But as you Brexit who have said that Ville Brexit. Saudi in Italy, put assassin all pied of a single process that might now occur in western Europe. You'll be elections in western Europe in the coming year and issues such as climate European Union. All of that is up for discussion multi-lateralism, these are several issues that will be to baited of the most importance and for those who would like to see a world in which there is no had Gemini of one power or another rather spaces for people to organize more freely and to act as citizens well Buddha. Lease dark actions of unknown groups is very worrisome groups, which based on money operating, social in the social networks. Let's talk about Brazil's indigenous people the Amazon is about the environment. And also about the indigenous people of present on the Amazon and beyond. And also not a once said, it's a shame that the Brazilian cavalry. Wasn't as a fish int- as the Americans who exterminated they are Indians. Dodgy? What almost being too stone has you stone be on noted and quite rightly so the indigenous question and the environmental question intimately connected in Brazil. Because the best way we have found to preserve force on this precisely to preserve all the indigenous deserves our Jimmy there's an intimate connection zone. Toco hill due to second tween come age the deforestation of the that occurred throughout the twentieth century and the question of indigenous peoples rights pesification see vice when a little claiming it be administrate new administration announced that it's going to step out of the. As I could stop sign that agreement and stop delimiting, g marketing indigenous lands, those two are totally to connected. There is resistance to this in Brazil's, do even on the part of the most lucid leaders have act business because the more lucid persons agro-business understand that the certification of all cadets school, but I do pens and environmental certification. That are buyers seen most of them will continue to be attractive will not be attracted to us anymore. If we don't maintain a commitment to the climate part of those who by Brazilian products interested in knowing where those products come from and how they're being produced. Now if we to the contrary. Sunday frontier. Glad again bowl on hillside. Deforesting deforestation to expand. Yeah. The cultural frontier, which is totally unnecessary. We have enough open land to produce more without having to fellow single tree the agenda. He statment don't wet cloud. To this. We might be compromising Cloyne policy agenda. So nor would billable when we have any economic gain by this agenda proposed by both auto. But there is a reaction in Brazil, gene to me steady. Mayo and being hea head announce that he was going to do away with the ministry of the environment that he had to step back from that decision. Would you parts of this? Cise Lee because of the commitment to the environment on the part of a large part of our society, busy. She to-. We cannot consider anything lost. We have to resist all of those regressive proposals and clarify to society. What it is that is steak because you you too because they have that even pointed out short-term economic gains from that proposal. Do you plan to run for president of Brazil again? They jets piss Weiss. I don't have personal plans. I always believed in collective projects and plans forces. I think that over time the forces that I belong to. Door form will be able to figure out who can best represent us food, which I hope that I answered to the those forces in the last election to and hopefully we'll make a good choice in twenty twenty two visited Lula in jail. And how is he simply always switchable by was Lula's attorney. I am Luna's attorney to this day zoo fan, I act on his behalf in Brazil and outside of. Associatively because I believe that he was the target of an unfair trial. So it is is that after the election seat, you'll up as soon they story of this. He felt the pressure of history you could say with the electro outcome, but he is a great capacity for me generation. It's not the first time. He is in prison used to me was imprisoned as a trade unionist and the nineteen eighties. Let's put it though, I'm sorry. Late nineteen seventies. He lost his wife to cancer overcame case of cancer. He was defeated three times before he was elected president. So he put him as his history is strength and being able to overcome. And I hope he overcomes the situation. Dodgy former Brazilian presidential candidate the Workers Party lost to chair both Sinato in a runoff election in October first impulse not was sworn into office on New Year's day declaring liberation from socialism. And that doesn't for our show democracy now has an immediate job opening for a time social media manager here in New York resumes are being reviewed as received so ply online today at democracy now dot org. Democracy now is produced by Mike burp, Dana geyser near Mainz chez, Carla wills Tammy Warren off Sam out cau- John Hamilton Robbie Karen honeymoon suturing, endure tame Maria studio and Libby raining. Mike to flip on the gallon of Garin Chenier special. Thanks to Becca Staley and Julie Crosby happy new year. I mean, he Goodman, thanks for joining us.
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Would encourage all georgians to make it known that you will not vote at all until your vote is secure. Powell joined by republican attorney wood. Who said georgia. Republican should refuse to vote for incumbent. Senators david purdue and kelly leffler saying they haven't done enough to overturn the results of the election. They have not earned vote. Don't you give it to them. Why would you go back in. Vote in another ridge election for god's sakes fixing republican senators. Doing leffler lose their re election bids to democratic challengers jon ossoff and reverend raphael warnock democrats will claim a narrow fifty one fifty majority in the senate with vice-president kamala harris serving as the tiebreaker the world meteorological organization warned wednesday. Twenty twenty set to be one of the three hottest years on record. Despite anaemia weather pattern that usually cools the climate here in new york united nations. Secretary-general antonio gutierrez said. There was no way. The world could prevent the worst effects of climate crisis unless the us rejoins the paris climate agreement and unites with other nations to reach net zero carbon emissions by twenty fifty to put it simply. The state of the planet is broken. The friends you manage the is waging war on nature. These suicidal nature always strikes back. And he's already doing so with force and fury in news from afghanistan. The afghan government and taliban have reached a preliminary deal to move ahead with peace talks. And what's being hailed as a major breakthrough. The two sides agreed on a three page written document to codify rules and procedures for future negotiations. Iran's enacted a new law to increase uranium and richmond and to expel international nuclear inspectors if you sanctions or not lifted by early february iranian lawmakers approved the measure in response to the assassination of the nuclear scientists Last friday israel's widely assumed to have carried out the attack likely with a blessing from the united states. Meanwhile the daily beast is reporting. President trump has given a green light to intensify. us campaign against iran under condition. That it doesn't start quote world war three the us envoy for iran. Elliot abrams said. The trump administration will continue to intensify the already devastating sanctions up until trump leaves office. Meanwhile president-elect joe biden's reaffirmed his commitment to rejoin the landmark iran nuclear deal once. He takes office in an interview with the new york. Times biden said quote. The last. God damn thing we need in that part of the world is buildup of nuclear capability saudi arabian cutter or reportedly close to reaching an agreement and more than three years. Saudi led blockade of cutter. The possible deal comes after senior white house adviser. Trump's son-in-law jared kushner visited the gulf this week saudi arabia bahrain united arab emirates and egypt imposed a blockade on cutter in two thousand seventeen after accusing it of becoming too close to iran analysts. Say the push. By the trump administration as part of its effort to isolate iran elevate israeli interests in the region. In two thousand. Seventeen kushner's family real estate business appeal to cutters billionaire former prime minister to finance a fouling manhattan property one month after he another country. Investors refused. Jared kushner push the trump administration to support. The saudi led blockade of cutter back in the united states. Ivanka trump was deposed. Tuesday as part of the district of columbia attorney general's lawsuit over misuse of inaugural funds. The dc attorney general is pursuing the trump organization and presidential inaugural committee for grossly overpaying for use of the trump international hotel in dc at his two thousand seventeen inauguration where the committee spent over one million dollars to book a ballroom. The national labor relations board is accused google of illegally firing several workers who are trying to organize a union or protests the company policies. The be also accused google of interrogating and spying on its workers part of the crackdown of google targeted workers who organize protests over the company's handling of sexual harassment allegations an over google's work with us customs and border protection in other labor news unions and democrats are condemning the move by president trump and republicans to freeze the pay of federal workers. Trump previously supported a meager one percent pay increase for federal workers but now backing republican funding bill. That offers no raise for over two million executive branch workers. The american federation of government employees said in a statement. The wage freeze proposal is a cruel slap in the face to those who've risked their lives to maintain government services for all americans during the worst health crisis in our lifetimes the. Us women's soccer team has reached a settlement with the us soccer federation to receive equal working conditions to their counterparts in the national. men's team. The next legal move for the two-time world cup champions will be appeal. The case over wage discrimination which was tossed in may a spokesperson for the team said quote our focuses on the future and ensuring we leave the game a better place for the next generation of women who will play for this team and this country and the renowned native american activists that benton banana has died at the age of nine button benin grew up on the likud array of gibb way reservation northern wisconsin in the nineteen thirties in the sixties. He met native american activist. Clyde bellecourt and minnesota prison. The pair went on to co found. The american indian movement where benton banai led organizing efforts against police harassment and brutality directed indigenous people in minneapolis. He also helped launch the international indian treaty council which works for the sovereignty and self determination of indigenous peoples and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org quarantine report. I mean he goodman with no remains shape higher. Nermeen the morning. Amy and welcome to our listeners and viewers around the country and around the world. Well we begin. Today's show in africa's most populous country in nigeria. The country's been stunned by a brutal massacre of more than one hundred farm workers by suspected members of the militant group boko haram on saturday arm men on motorcycles slaughtered people harvesting rice in a rural part of borno state a survivor said the attackers quote engaged in murderous insanity grabbing workers tying them up and slitting their throats at least thirty of the victims were reportedly beheaded. No group has claimed responsibility. Meanwhile new revelations have come to light about a bloody government. Crackdown in lagos in nigeria. Which helped to quash movement against police brutality. A cnn investigation has exposed. The nigerian army's role in an attack on protesters in lagos in october in a shocking display violence on october twentieth. The army opened fire on. Protesters gathered at lucky tollgate. A key roadway and protests site at least twelve people were killed. The lucky togay massacre came after weeks of demonstrations against the notorious nigerian police unit known as sars the special anti robbery squad. This is the full report of the award winning. Cnn senior reporter named a warning some of the images and descriptions are extremely graphic. Nigerian government denies this happened. The peaceful protest turned deadly police star shooting outdoors. Cnn investigated the events tailgate. The night of october twentieth in lagos nigeria. After analyzing hours of footage. We are going to tell. A story is radically different than the one. The authorities are telling. This is god said. He was one of the demonstrators having fun live streaming. The event key like many others gathered a peaceful demonstration of discontent after weeks of protests against what they called. Systemic police brutality and corruption will godson and the presents did not know is that the army is already on its way. This is bonny camp a military garrison on the south side of legos. We know through analyzing footage. They left at six twenty nine pm heading towards lucky tollgate. We can see here. The nigerian government forces approaching the protesters gathered on the other side of the gate. As my june enforces get closer. You can see shots at six forty three. Pm we start hearing gunfire. We know this from the time. Sound and data on this video. His another angle. This lawyer nigerian authorities say they find blanks into the protests but cnn obtain video that appears to show the army shooting toward the crowd. Here and at the top of your screen hand in the midst of the chaotic scenes is dj switch and jaren celebrity and activist. She is broadcasting. Live on instagram. Wanted people to see what was happening. I didn't want anybody to come and trista. The story witnesses tell cnn. I'm lens's says were stopped from entering by nigerian authorities. You can see here people at the scene trying to conduct. Cpr speech parts of the world. View with do bullets. Did you blitz. cnn has verified that these bullet casings are from live ammunition. They are of mixed origins. Some are serbian this one from two thousand five nigerian military sources verified to us that these are munitions that are currently in use by nigeria's army and in collaboration with the balkan investigative reporting network we were also able to procure savvy and export documents proving that nigeria purchase weaponry from savia. For almost every year between two thousand and five and two thousand and sixteen. The shooting continued past midnight. I witnesses tell us it wasn't just the army at this point. They say police arrive and open. Fire will shooting night. I'd i'd fight thing. So why live rounds used a peaceful protest. Many family members of those still missing are asking that question as they hunt for answers of the bodies of their loved ones lashes brother. Victor was at process that night. Song pecan my brother for now. See dot my future. So on the komo news dot for short lindsey to an anti into the author to on such a. You know seeing him. We are trying no way to find what we're about to show. You is incredibly graphic but it's also incredibly important. This is alisha brother. Victor the data in this footage shows it was filmed at one. Oh four an lucky. Tollgate says he received a call about his brother's death around this time. This place is victor exactly at the location of the protest on the night. Witnesses say they were shot at. This is important because my journal deny anyone was killed at the scene since this incident. Cnn has contacted one hundred protesters and family members appointed a concept. We asked what they hide. Shots from behind and fout is short on the back. Many are in hiding some have fled the country. Cnn tried to share these findings with the nigerian army but received no response legos state authorities would not comment on our reporting until they said judicial of inquiry presents. Its findings the wait for answers. Here continues nemo by cnn london after that initial cnn investigation. The nigerian army admitted they did they. Did use live bullets and the lucky tollgate massacre. This is part of the follow-up report by name here it begins with jenner ahmet taiwo speaking to the logos judicial panel of inquiry about the attack. I believe list by. But i witnesses and families. We spoke to say the amunition us that night by nigerian authorities was very real. Israel was short on. The bullet went through a back up until this point the army had denied. They had lights at all on that night. It confirms a key finding in our investigation that there was live ammunition at the scene. And that again is cnn reporter a name about here and we are joined by the award. Winning senior international correspondent faced in london name. It's great to have you back. Under these difficult difficult circumstances though talk about the significance of this protests that happen not only in lagos. But all over nigeria. But this live ammunition used by the military. And what you force the nigerian military to admit and what this means for the country. It had a chilling effect on the protest movement on the ability for these young people and it was generally young people to come forward and make their voices heard one of the activists whose instagram live. Actually was was a key part of the evidence that we review dj switch. She said it made us realize that. Nigeria is a dictatorship wearing the face of a democracy. And that really goes to the heart of the sentiment of people who who thought that they had the legal right to protest a now find themselves in hiding or having been forced to flee the country or was under some kind of arrest. It has been really really difficult for people in the country from our perspective. We never wanted to get into a back and forth with the nigerian authorities. When we put out a piece we kept hearing from these families who are still looking for their loved ones. How hurtful it had been for them to hear. The nigerian government deny that that that they had anything to do with this huge in grievous loss so we went back in my colleague. Stephanie bazaar received a cool with somebody who had access to the footage and so it was very important for us to come back out. And and just reinforce what we had been able to find an to use the government's on was you saw bridget brigadier high with saying admitting that they did have live ammunition. That was such a key issue because up until that point they denied it entirely and anima in addition to that response from the nigerian government. The minister of information responded to the allegations in the report by threatening to sanction cnn for spreading misinformation as he said and saying the shooting was a massacre without bodies has since changed his perspective. No no and i can only imagine if i was grieving a loved one how it would feel to hear the minister of information. Speak that way about that night. They have breakfast with santions. They've accused us of being fake news. They had fake human rights rights advocates putting forward petitions and funds of the tribunal to be forced to appear otherwise we would face criminal action. And that's what they're doing to us. Can you imagine what they're doing to nigerian. Journalists nigerian television channels will find for reporting on lucky. Tollgate really waged war against the press. And and in a way. I'm wheaty glad that they come off to see. Because it's allowed nigerian journalist able to report and in a way that allowed them to evade the wrath of the government. Come out and say this is what the media landscape in. Nigeria looks like and and yet we hear nothing from the leadership around the world about this and they might your. Your report mentioned the legos. Judicial panel of that is looking into this the incident as well as broader abuses by the police and that inquiry is supposed to go on for about six months. Can you tell us what the inquiry has so far found and what you expect to come out of it eventually. Well most of the people we've spoken to the ground already concerned because a minister live hammered. The minister information at one of the press conferences. Where he was having a go at cnn came out and said well. We are very satisfied. We is the federal government of very satisfied with the conduct of the police and the army and that rings bells because it presumes innocence months ahead of the findings of the panel and witnesses have ostra protection to appear in funding the pinal the council representing the end saws the end police brutality processes has asked for protections by the panel for the penalty officially compel the government to give him some kind of security because he says he has received some pretty frightening threats. None of that has been forthcoming. So if many of those who were there at the c. Feel unsafe appearing in front of the paddle. What exactly is the panel going to be able to adjudicate on and of course what we're talking about here. These protests were precisely against police brutality. If you can talk about the significance of this movement throughout and jiri right now and then also refer to. The latest master wasn't a military massacre. But what happened with boko haram. Well both what happened with boko and both what we saw over the last few months with the protest against police brutality. Speak to the same thing which is a sense by the people of nigeria. That the state has fundamentally failed in its duties towards whether it's failed with regards to civilian authorities and that policing this perception that corruption isn't just something that is being ignored or being perpetuated by politicians within the state system but even the police those who was supposed to be cracking down on this all themselves corrupt and although at the moment this does seem to have had a chilling effect. There is a sense from the activists that i'm speaking to that. They are trying very hard to find a way to make that voices hide again. One of the activists who organized the process spoke at the senate foreign relations committee a few weeks ago. They're also speaking to the democratic black caucus. They are trying very hard. Those who have gotten out to safety to amplify what's happening entirely in nigeria now with the boko haram massacred and we believe about one hundred and ten civilians were killed. This was because that local community felt so unprotected by the state authorities but they actually made a deal with boko haram militants that they would feed them that they would provide them with resources and support if they were left alone and some militants came back and overstep to an and actually took forcibly cattle. They took key elements of these farmers livelihood and when the farmers just went to get that possessions back this is what it resulted in it resulted in a in the horror that was perpetuated at the weekend and they both rise from the same place which is a sense by nigeria citizens but it's government is is ineffective bashed and corrupt was name avakian. We're going to ask you to stay with us. We're going to break when we come back. We want ask you your based right now in london. Now what's happening with covid and the vaccine in london but also the latest news on ethiopia with so many refugees fleeing from two gray into sudan. Which is where you are from. This is democracy now. We're speaking to the award winning senior international correspondent for cnn. Name all bogere. Stay with us. Red red wasn't it wounded tennis by rexy featuring gyro marley. This is democracy now quarantine report. I made me goodman with nermeen. The united nations says it's reached a deal with ethiopia's government to allow humanitarian access to the northern tigray region and start providing aid to some six million people caught in the crossfire the deadly conflict. The un's warn tens of thousands of error train refugees into gray camps are running out of food ethiopian. Prime minister the launch military action against regional forces a month ago setting off a bloody conflict adding to the already alarming number of displaced people and refugees in the country neighboring nations like sedan if the opiate declared victory over the weekend after announcing it took control of the capital of tigray but the tigray people's liberation front say they're continuing to fight still with us name obamacare award winning senior international correspondent for cnn. She's right now based in london. I'm sure covert is keeping you down there for the moment but Name if you can explain what is happening. Both in ethiopia and its effects on the surrounding area country of sudan in essence. I think the best way to understand what's happening copious to consider it a conflict overpower that has descended into potentially a form of ethnic cleansing. So you had the people's liberation front who themselves were were empowered in for decades mode comes from a separate ethnic grouping the aroma and they have allied with many elements from within the camera. There's all sounds complicated. But fundamentally it's about who gets to rule and and how do you maintain that rule and how about that seems to be choosing to maintain that role is to wage war against the tigray region. He was forced. He says to postpone elections because of the impact of covid. Nineteen on seo pierre. He accused the people's liberation front of waging an internal war. This is all politics essentially but what it's meant is today. People say that they have been targeted based on the ethnic distinction on their. Id cards so people are telling us that. They're being pulled over at best jailed in detained was being forced to flee into see that prime minister. Ahmed says that not a single civilian was injured. In all of this in all of these weeks of fighting. And what we're hearing from our team that's down. That sudanese ethiopian border is. That's just not true. We have images of civilians who are injured who've been hit by bullets. One lady told us that she had to flee her home and was forced to give birth on the route that they weren't allowed to crossover into sit down to the direct rates by the european army. So on the back roads that took days to do a trip. That should have taken hours. She eventually gave birth and she was met at the border by our teams and by the doctors fortunately wonderfully her child survived and so did she. But that's just one story. And one of the only stores were able to hear because mott has instated a complete communications blackout. So it's very hard to find out what's actually going on inside today. And meanwhile ibm of course was just awarded the nobel peace prize less than a year ago. Four finally signing a peace treaty with our trae and the irony is that as he signed that peace treaty that allowed both him and our trae to unite against the common foe. The people's liberation front so in hindsight the him to have won a nobel peace prize for something that has enabled him to wage. A war. an entire region on six million people is just. It's a polling. It's appalling to think about and named my. You mentioned of course that tens of thousands of refugees from if european from the tigray region have fled into sudan at this comes of course amidst the coronavirus outbreak in the country Just last month. The last democratically elected prime minister died from the virus after spending several weeks in a hospital in the united arab emirates. Could you talk about what the situation is in sudan with the pandemic has people have been infected. How many have died and what. The prospects are for any kind of vaccine reaching the country within the next several months. Well in terms of the vaccine the vaccine that have been approved so far or in are in the fast track to be approved the medina vaccine and the fis of acting both of the biontech vaccine both of them need to be kept at minus seventy so that obviously is impractical. It's impossible and country like sedan in terms of hard data. We don't have any because there is an absence of a substantial testing regime. I mean that's not really substantial testing regime here in the uk or even in the us so imagine what that's like in sudan. But anecdotally i alone know maybe ten people who've died of of covert or covert related complications in the last few months so i can only imagine what that actually looks like on the ground and the economic effects of this asking people to isolate when they institute subsistence farming or or live day. Two days you asking them to starve so people that just hoping against hope that the oxford university vaccine which can be kept at normal temperatures that that finally comes online. We're speaking with name wagner the award winning senior international correspondent for cnn. She is based in london. And before we go. I want to ask you about this latest news. That britain has become the first country in the world to approve use of the pfizer. Biontech coronavirus vaccine pfizer has said the vaccine ninety five percent effective at preventing cove in nineteen in a large clinical trial. Authorities said the first eight hundred thousand doses will become available across britain starting next week the british health minister matt hancock spoke earlier. This week will start with those who are most vulnerable to corona virus. And then once we've started to protect the most vulnerable it will help us get back to normal and and by all the things that we love. The uk has europe's highest cove in nineteen death toll nearing sixty thousand with over one point. Six million confirmed cases. Name a your in london. If you can talk about written being the first to start to use this vaccine it's raised a number of issues of course for the united states. The head of the fda has been called twice to the white house in the last two days clearly because of trump's anger that the us is not the first but the e u expressing concern about how fast the uk is doing. This you mentioned sudan. Not being able to keep to pfizer's what one hundred degrees below. One hundred degrees fahrenheit below zero temperatures even that is preventing the vaccine apparently in your country throughout britain of getting to nursing homes because they cannot figure out a way to keep. The cold is all that and getting little bits of vaccines to different places you well. It seems that prime minister. Boris johnson and his government. They did this to themselves. Being so quick to announce victory we won and the managing to go the european union. And into saying well you would because you'll public health body the body that governs when vaccines or medications come online the general public reviewed less data. Which i think was both for people here but also completely unsurprising given the crisis of public confidence that has been in this government both because of its handling of of the entire crisis. Death toll is appalling but also because of their willingness to turn anything into propaganda. This was not a propaganda moment and all it seems to have done is the scientists to raise their head above the parapet and other countries and say well. I wouldn't be too happy about the ways that you went around but realistically i think in spicer that crisis of public health pretty much almost everyone. I've spoken to has said. Hey we will be in that queue. There is such desperation just to get back to any sense of reality. I is unsure. There is in the. Us name of we want to thank you so much for being with us name. Oh award winning senior international correspondent for cnn based in london her recent investigative report on. Nigeria is headline. They pointed their guns at us and started shooting. How a bloody night of bullets and brutality quashed a young protest movement next step. We go to india where two hundred fifty million formers workers and their allies recently joined in in what's believed to be the largest organized strike in world history. Stay with us a by the brooklyn musician. Sonny thing this is democracy now. I'm amy goodman with nermeen shea as we turn to india where tens of thousands of farmers are converging on the capital city of new delhi by tractor and on foot to demand the repeal of new laws that deregulate agricultural markets. The indian prime minister narendra. Modi's says the measures give farmers more freedom to set their own prices and sell directly to corporate buyers but opponents say the neoliberal policies are a boon to corporations and roll back key labor and crop prices protections that could have a devastating impact on the livelihood of farmers. Agriculture is the leading source of income for more than half of india's one point three billion population the ongoing protests come after a nationwide demonstration thursday when an estimated two hundred fifty million workers farmers and their allies joined in. What's believed to be the largest organized strike in history anywhere. In the world organizers say tens of thousands of demonstrators have now gathered at each of new delhi's three borders in cold winter conditions and more farmers are on their way beliefs have put up barriers to block them from coming into the center of the city. This is one of the farmers protesting. Because i'd be completely condone is a couple of my country. I'm not even allowed to enter my city. This spite of hamas never doing any hooliganism old movie has been peaceful. They all showed us water cannons also beat. No farmers retaliated today. Indian government officials are meeting with farmer representatives for a fourth time and former union leaders have invaded agricultural minister narendra singh tomar to their protest site. This comes as cova rages through india which has reported more cases than any country in the world. Outside the united states for more we go to mumbai to speak with sinus longtime journalist founder of people's archive of rural india or powering. Have you back again. Used to write for the hindu and use right for the times of india. You're an award winning journalist but felt that the majority of people were not being heard and you wanted to give voice to the voiceless. Talk about this. Most significant protests the largest. It's believed the largest organized protest and world history p. Sign the on on the twenty twenty six four tober amy all the workers in the country and many many gigantic public sector units in electric in power and transport in a number of public sector organizations and across the banks. The insurance companies and workers from other set of departments seized work and went out. And it's interesting. They were protesting against the new set of labor coats. Absolutely vicious goats that have been rammed through parliament but the working class out on the streets endorsed the demands of the farmer's daily. So it was. It was a tremendous show of unity and solidarity when billions of workers. Were saying we are with the families so that that was one extraordinary thing that was on the twenty sixth of october the farmers. Now i think that maybe there's two hundred thousand to a quarter of million of them on five points on the daily border. The government approach to them is actually extremely careless and very very aggressive on the one hand. They're putting out some stuff for the media saying you know we're talking to them. They want to solve this problem on the other. The prime minister is making speeches in his own constituency that the entire thing is a conspiracy by the opposition. Now if you need to know how deep. This problem is biting in the farmers as of yesterday punjab which is famous state for athletics in india. The olympians those athletes of punjab who have won multiple medals at the commonwealth nashville games and participated in the olympics. Are planning to throw them. Medals back at the government on the fifth of december. Many artists and poets and others are returning their civilian awards. So this is slated for the fifth and the government has no sign of shame about it at all. It is trying to look like the reasonable host at the same time it has put up barricades barbed wire. It has dug ten foot by ten feet by ten feet trenches in the national. I is to prevent these families from reaching daily and have used water cannon and tear gas water cannon in the coldest winter that daily has had tired. Its coldest day in seventy years two days ago. And you're using cannons on people. Men several of whom those farmers are in their late sixties and early seventies on that kind of person. You are using water canons and telling them. And you have a captive media. Of course that makes it look like the government is just getting it wrong in the way they are talking to the farmers these are all hicks and brutal yokels they need to be spoken to sweetly whereas to laws that they are protesting. Amy are devastated. Will be signed. Not could you a talk about this protest. These protests in the wider economic context in india unemployment is now at twenty seven percent which is unprecedented in the country. As we mentioned earlier almost sixty percent of india's one point three billion people rely on agriculture as their main source of livelihood in just two years from two thousand eighteen to two thousand nineteen over twenty thousand farmers died by suicide. Meanwhile a billionaire the richest man in india mukesh ambani has made twelve million dollars an hour. Since the lockdown began as a result of the pandemic in march could you talk about the broader context of these protests will be entire entire protests driven by a deepening agrarian. Crisis are very fundamentally tied to the larger structural inequalities that you are pointing to in just four months of the pandemic just up to july nutley mr embodied but the entire bunch of indian billionaires dollar billionaires. There's about one hundred. Twenty of them added thirty five percent to their wealth. One third to the already considerable wealth and it's number four hundred. Eighty five billion dollars cumulatively. Mr ambani went from being the nine. The richest indian and the nine hundred nineteenth richest person in the world in the last year and a half. he's made it down to made it up to ranked number four at the same time. Amy that our new papers studies showing us. Seventy six percent of the rural population. That is three fourths of the rural. Population cannot afford a nutritious meal. They cannot afford a basic nutritious diet even if they spend even if they spent two thirds of their income on food now if a part that even if they all rule indians spent one hundred percent of their income on food and nothing else no transport health education rent. They didn't spend anything of that. It would still mean sixty three point. Three percent cannot afford a nutritious diet if they spent every last by saturday earned as they got as income. so you're seeing these unbelievable gaps phenomenal gaps. India ranks fourth or fifth in the list of dollar billionaires in the world and one hundred twenty nine on the un human development index so and the pandemic has provided you need to understand one very important thing about the protests and for that you need to understand what kind of mr was played in the laws. Three major laws have been passed in parliament which devastate the farmers and you mentioned them as you introduced the subject two days later when the opposition walked out in protest. They rammed through four labor laws. Twenty twenty-nine existing complex legislations and made them into four and crammed it through now. The question is why did they feel the need to pass these laws. At the height of the pandemic mr moody had a majority before the pandemic he has a big majority. He will habit for two three years. After the pandemic the reasoning was these blocks are on their knees now. They can't organize. They can't hit back. And in fact many leading neo liberal intellectuals economists and journalists editors incited the government saying never waste a good crisis paraphrasing winston churchill by the way badly never waste a good crisis. This is india's second nineteen ninety-one moment the when we embrace the world of neoliberalism. This is the time to ramp through aggressive next generation preforms and the government believing that went for this action not understanding the result of these families who have come back massively at the government. Just one close. I want to read you. From the laws you will not believe. I don't know you can tell me if you've ever read lows in democratic nation which have a close like this not only have they rammed through these laws you know on on prices on contract farming on essential commodities. They have included this clause in one of the most important of these laws. It says no suit. No prosecution or other legal proceedings shall ally against the central government all the state government or or any other purpose or any officer at the central government or any officer of the state government or any other person in respect of anything read corporations read corporations and brackets or any other person in respect of anything which is done in good faith or intended to be done in good faith under this act and no civil court shall have jurisdiction to to entertain any suit of proceedings in respect of any matter connected to this to the actions under this law. Have you read many laws like that in a democratic country so they have taken away the legal recourse of the citizen. And i'm i've been yelling at this that it's not just the farmers who are affected. Nobody else could sue either. They are dismantling the right to legal. Recourse the bar council of daily you capital city. The bar council of delhi yesterday wrote to the president of india. Saying this is an extremely dangerous thing. That's happening you're taking away the fundamental rights of the citizen to move the court when in distress so this. This is the kind of stuff at the same time. The inequalities are deepening. The unemployment figures. That amy come down as some amount of opening up happens but people are returning to much worse conditions as workers. We have tempered with the gold standard of labor law which used to be eight hours a day. Now you can have twelve hours a day without overtime for the last four hours it will be at perorated thing. You are having a massive massive class. Divide in what's happening with the top zero point zero one percent adding phenomenally to its wealth and a huge amount of districts at the bottom and i want to go to a clip birendra singh as we talk about covert and the effect of the pandemic on india. He used to run a food stall and andhra pradesh. She explained to your news organization to pari the people's archive of rural india. How his family's been affected by the lockdown logged on a cappella cheaper cartel attack before the lockdown. Our days of collect this food wake up at four. in the morning starts pures. Four hours would go in just making the purest three in the afternoon to ten at night we used to do business by eleven. In the night. I would reach home from the next day this same work. Sergio going well eighty properly. I could take care of my parents to since the lockdown began. Have in deep trouble so piece i not. Could you talk about what the situation with lockdown in india is and the fact that the mortality rate there from the corona virus is apparently reportedly much lower than the mortality rate. Certainly than here in the us but also europe it may be it may be lower than that of the us but the numbers we have on covid nineteen on infections on the fatal. T rates are extremely suspect barring one or two states which are very good at following up tracking tracing a state like kerala which has done much better and a hell of a lot of the testing. I mean we are doing very low levels of testing and you will get lower numbers second. The much of the testing the bulk of the testing in many states is done on a rapid end pigeon basis. Not on the artie and the rapid engine. Has you know the rat tests very high proportion of false negatives. So we don't really know and i don't buy this idea of being one of the lowest fatality rates in the world. It's true of one or two states which have a much better health infrastructure and a much better system of public health than a country as a whole which spent one point two eight percent of its gross domestic product on health and to most of the expenditure on health is out of pocket by ordinary indians. In fact the last three surveys on health in the national sample survey have shown the number of indians not seeking medical attention purely for financial reasons has doubled in twenty years. So i don't i'm not going to buy into the second. The second part of your question the second aspect of your question meanest that there are an incredible number of non cova debts which have been which have happened because of the complete collapse of the health infrastructure. And it's and the total focus of what little there is on cove it so people dying of cardiac arrest people dying of diabetic and stroke at people dying of a number of other diseases curable. Treatable diseases that number is surging massively. I myself since april five have lost fourteen friends and acquaintances whom i knew very well all just one of them. Just one of them died of covid k. Many of the others their families took them from hospital to hospital to hospital to try and get admission and could it he signs. We're going to have to leave it there. But i wanna thank you so much for being with us and of course we'll be visiting with you again in mumbai. India peace sign at the award. Award-winning indian journalist. Founder of peoples are five of rural india or powrie. Very happy birthday to emily. Gosselin tomorrow pull former. I made me goodman with their mission.
Amanpour: Tony Blair, J. David Cox, David Mulroney and Claire Lehmann
"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five visits any today at Zanny dot com slash CNN. Hello, everyone and welcome to on four. Here's what's coming up. The elite gathering Davos, but the big guns staying away from wall. Trump is absent is federal shutdown squeezing, maybe a million government workers. I'll talk to a union leader. Britain's Theresa May is absent I'll talk to the former Prime Minister Tony Blair about the Brexit mess and China's G is absent while his Konami is slowing and a tit for tat with Canada is escalating I'll speak with a former ambassador to Beijing, plus discourse or discord are at least Menendez speaks to the highly controversial website editor who's questioning everything from race issues to feminism. Welcome to the program, everyone, I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. You could very easily be excused for not quite getting Brexit or frankly, not even beginning to understand the whole process in a turbulent world. It's a slow moving story about bureaucracy backroom dealing and how to honor a referendum that was held back in two thousand sixteen offering no facts about the future right now, the UK remains in the European Union. But in less than seventy days, it leaves the problem is Britain has no exit agreement yet experts say that if it leaves the EU like that on March twenty ninth hurling itself off a cliff. The economic impact will be disastrous. Meantime, the British parliament has roundly rejected prime minister May's deal and the plan b she brought forward on Monday looks an awful lot like plan the drama in parliament, some say the soap opera. Has made this story oddly compelling around the world, even in the United States where this government dysfunction is looking a lot like that government dysfunction. So what's to be done? I've been speaking to Tony Blair, the former British Prime minister who tells me that it's time now to take the choice back to the British people with another referendum. Tony Blair, welcome to the program. Thank you. Well, so you you very well known to Americans and not just Americans, but people around the world scratching their head now after two and a half years of this and trying to figure out which way is up about Brexit. So I wonder if you could explain what's going on. Let me just read you a little from the Wall Street Journal, they have an essay entitled the great Brexit breakdown. And it says from the spectacle of the UK undergoing the national political equivalent of a nervous breakdown has been a source of head scratching the country wants defined by stiff upper lip has been indulging in a kind of orgy of public history. Awnings more commonly associated with Latin American telenovelas, what do you say to that? As a former prime minister. Well, it's it's a pretty difficult time for us. So loop situation is is the country voted to leave the European Union June twenty sixteen since then we've had thirty months negotiation. And what the negotiations really revealed is that in the end Britain faces a choice of two different futures. It can either stay close to the trading system of the European Union because we've been four and a half decades in Europe. So you've got a host of commercial relationships investment relationships. Trading relationships for four and a half decades, our economy has been trading within the European system. And roughly sixty percent of our trade is governed by European arrangements. So you can either stay close to that trading system. But in which case Europe's going to say, okay, if you want access to our markets like you have the access now you've got to keep to our rules. Right. You can't you can't join the club or be part of the club and have your own rules. So that's one Brexit. But the problem with that is it immediately leads you to the question. Well, what's the point of Briggs it if the purpose of breaks, it is to break free of all those rules. If you stay part of the. European system. People say, well, we've left, but we've not left. Okay. So that's one alternative the other alternative is that you do what the the hard. Brexit is the true breaks. It is in a way really want. You get out of the single market of Europe. It's unique trading system. You get out of the customs union, you break free of all those rules. But then since business is going to be severely disrupted by that. Because you've been trading within this system for a long time. Then it's going to be painful. And so what's the point? This is what's the price? And the trouble is painful pointless is not a good choice. So really what these thirty months of done. The prime minister is trying to reach agreement. She eventually has come out with the deal. That's frankly, neither one nor the other and parliament split parliament's Griddle. Right. So parliament here we are. I mean, you've just I think just going to new slogan was the point versus what's the price? That's pretty interesting. Now, we all know where. You stand as former prime ministers. Former leader of the labour party. You obviously were remain. You remain remain. And you want a second referendum is that wishful thinking at this point. Or do you believe seriously, politically that momentum is seriously moving towards a second referendum? Yes. I think it is moving that way. Look a year ago when I said this I think eighteen months ago when I first said that people dismissed it as as fantasy indefinitely as wishful thinking. But no, I think is carry on. And you see the mess of this negotiation. Look parliament, Konta -gree. You've got the prime minister subject to a no confidence vote from her own party. And then from the parliament, okay, she survived both. But you got one part of the cabinet saying one thing another part of the cabinet. This is the cabinet saying another thing, I don't think it's unreasonable. No circumstances to say, we gotta take this back to the British people to resolve exit. First of all said they wanted to leave now when we're. Grid-locked? They've got to resolve the gridlock. So would just for you know, an exercise in this. What would you put as the questions for second referendum? It cannot be the same question. Yes. Or no in all out as the last one in two thousand sixteen I think the thing is you can do the question one of two ways. I mean, some people are saying in parliament that you can have a question that is it were has staying or close to Europe or breaking free from Europe. So you can have an options. I mean. I mean, I think they're. Some difficulties with that. But you could do that alternatively. You just take the two things that really have public support. I mean in every single published opinion poll, there are two propositions that have support one is staying the other is what I will call true Brexit. In other words, you break free of that trading system. You're prepared to go through the pain because you think it's so important to be free of the European Union, and you could have a referendum with that simple choice. So I didn't do the questions that difficult. The real issue is people say look we made our decision June twenty sixteen if you go back and ask the people again, that's that's dishonoring the mandate of June twenty sixteen to which my answer is. Yep. But we can't we don't know precisely what that mandate is now because you got different versions of Brexit, even thirty months of negotiation. Our knowledge of what has happened is infinitely greater is not really a democratic outrage to go back and ask the. People again. Okay. Well, the current prime minister, that's your view is the former prime minister, the Cairo Prime Minister Theresa may has said exactly the opposite. She's implied that it's anti-democratic that it's akin to a coup. I mean, those on her words, but others have used it, and even some Tories and some members of your own party have used the specter of social unrest should the country. Go to what they call it a very divisive another referendum. Here's what the prime minister said just yesterday in parliament. I've said many times my deep concerns about returning to the British people for a second referendum argue is to implement the decision of the first one, I fear a second referendum would set difficult precedent that could have significant implications. The how we handle referendums in this country. Not least not least strengthening the hand of those campaigning to break up. Our United Kingdom. So there's a lot in their democratic break. Break-up our United Kingdom. A lot of that. What do you say to that? Okay. Well, let's just unpack that for moving. First of all, by the way, the single biggest threat to the UK to the United Kingdom is Brexit. It causes enormous tensions in Northern Ireland. And we haven't yet resolve the Irish border issue. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the United in the European Union. So you've got a problem with Scotland when you do Brexit if you do a hard Brexit that is that is for sure the biggest strain you're going to impose on on the integrity of the United Kingdom. Secondly, look. Even if we'd had a good negotiation, even if out of the negotiation you'd had a deal in parliament, pasta deal. There is a perfectly reasonable case for saying back in June twenty sixteen we didn't know the alternative to European Union membership that was to be negotiated and it's perfectly reasonable. Once. You see the alternative once you, you know, the house you're going to be moving to after you've decided to leave the house, you're in that you're entitled to think again that would be perfectly reasonable my view. But okay, the situation we're in today is where there's no agreement is to what form of breaks. It the prime minister can get her deal defeated by two hundred votes on it now comments a huge defeat. So in those circumstances wherein, this mess is it really undemocratic to go back and ask the people. We're not asking some other people, by the way, we're asking the people whether they want to recede or not. And people say it's going to cause social unrest. I mean. From whom I mean people who if they if they still want to leave got a perfect opportunity to come make their case. But this was a boat tuna half years ago that wasn't like sixty five or seventy percent thirty or sixty five thirty five. I think if you really take a step back and look at it in these stances isn't really unreasonable for MP's to say, look, we've looked at the deal the various options are author. We can't personally support those. We don't think this is in the interest of you are constituents that we represent in this parliament. But we're handing the decision final decision back to you. I mean, I think it's a little unreasonable people protesting about being asked their opinion, those circumstances, and we do know that there have been referendums that have been run again in other countries about other issues, and it's gone down fine. But I guess the real question is so if you. A prime minister now and you had put some kind of proposal to parliament. And you see this deadlock not just in in the conservative party, which is riven by hardliners against the the moderates against the prime minister. But also in your own party. The loyal opposition is now riven also by by remain or or the leaders designed for Brexit. I'm not to have a second referendum. What would you as a guy who was elected three times to be prime minister of this country? What would you do to unblock this? I would have a situation where you lay out the options for people because these are the options stay close to your like, for example, Norway break free from Europe the free trade agreement light Canada. No deal, right? Right. Solve CPA bad idea. Her deal or another referendum and the only way of resolving this is to lay laid out for people. Explain the options, they're all perfectly clear in their implications, by the way, and then allow parliament to decide, and that's the only way really you can resolve this gonna run an indicative set votes and Indian parliament's can have to make up its mind. And that's what it will do by the way. And the reason why I think in the end it will come to another referendum is because alternatives. They're all unpalatable the thing about this is all the way through people thought of this as an ago, she Asian, and it's really a choice in the end. Britain's got to choose which future it wants. And what this the goes taught us is what the those future's really looked like. And any sensible thing is to have peace decided. And then if they decide that the people. Okay. So you said no sensible people can really get behind no deal. But these people they make up from what I gather about fifteen percent of the relevant people the sort of. Hardliners in the Tory party. And this prime minister apparently doesn't want to be the prime minister who splits the Tory party or splits the country or whatever. But it seems that she's in hawk to them. I don't know how you view it again as a former prime minister, you know, having this insurgency on her right flank. The by the way is already played its cards and they've lost. But do you think she still tacking to the hard line Brexit as the Boris Johnson's the Jacob breeze marks the John Redwood's those types? I think degree. Yes. But I mean, I think be on the shield tack which have always she thinks there is a majority for her deal. And I think at the moment she thinks it's best to tack towards towards them. But. If the purpose was to reunite the conservative party. I think we can agree it's failed. And you said the labor party's divided Christiane. And that's true to a much more limited degree, the labor party is a party, by the way is massively in favor of staying in Europe. And in favor of another effort end of it's true. There are and leave. It is vote prime minister the leader, isn't and you're right. That rank and file want to remain. And there seems to be a lot of build for a second referendum amongst the rank and file of the labor party. But not the leadership there, the leadership's been very reluctant to I think the amendment tabled yesterday is a big step forward in an indication that they're recognizing this eventually where we'll we'll get to another effort. But. They're all look this is really difficult and no one should pretend they're easy solutions. And I've often said, by the way at one level, I completely sympathize the prime minister, it's a hugely difficult task she's faced on every side by people advocating different things in her own party's pretty unreasonable coalition party, the UP could often be extremely unreasonable. So it's a difficult difficult situation that she's in. But. The only way out is parliament try and reach an agreement. You can't do that. Really? Unless you put each option before them and say here, it is you've got to decide which one do you on? Okay. So let me just go back to how it's being viewed overseas. I mean on the one hand Britain always. Surfin? It's modern history was the little country that could constantly punching above its weight and people are now thinking, oh, boy, you know, what what's up. I mean, this common-sense country is in meltdown. It is you know, can't going little viral around the world. Now, this constant soap opera and drama that was seeing played out here and even celebrities. A busy tweeting we have one American model, and this is a British columnist who wrote this spoke for large swaths of society when she tweeted one of my goals for twenty nine hundred eighteen is to understand UK politics. I read and read, and I try and learn, but my brain cannot grasp it so I can see smiling. I'm sure you agree. But let me ask you about the European leaders there. I mean, you have tried to do an end run around the prime minister, and you've been lobbying for a second referendum with the Europeans. What are they saying? Now today at this point where do they think it's going to go? I think everyone's pretty confused right now, by the way, just to make this point. And I should say this in defense of my country in Britain remains a serious in great nation. We'll get through this one way or another. And even if we end up doing Brexit, which I passionately hope we don't get an we'll move forward. So don't anyone who writes off will be making a mistake. And but I agree. Our politics is pretty confusing right now even to those of us involvement. What I've been saying to the European leaders is is not you should support a second referendum. That's not their business. It's up to us to decide the way forward. What I've been saying to them is the underlying causes of Brexit. The immigration issue anxiety about cultural and national identity. These are underlying issues everywhere in Europe today. I mean, the last thirty months hasn't just turn British politics on its head. You look around Europe. And you'll know this Christie, I'm very well for the analysis. You do the interviews with people in Europe. I mean, the truth is the whole of European politics is convulsed at the moment. And that's why the sensible thing in my view is for Britain to think again, but Europe to think again to realize that that it's going to have to come to a different type of settlement around issues to do with my Gration and identity and this going to have to recognize that in the future. Those countries that part of the euro-zone are going to integrate in the different way. And in a big away, those countries outside it, and so what I've really been discussing with the European leaders is it's all business to build a support for going back to the people. But should we do? So you guys should think carefully. Also about what you can say that helps a process of Europe staying together and staying together some potent for Europe as well Britain coming out of Europe. It's not just bad for Britain is very bad for your if as well, again, I'm assuming you're putting that case to the European leaders you meet there right now. But let me ask you finally, our final question about the point of Davos, all these years later, you know, very, well, the Davos is considered these sort of hobnobbing of the elite the very people who through so many millions of people around the world into the calamity that they find themselves in now and led to the rise of populism. Let me just play you this little soundbite from. A guy who's kind of going viral right now on gear dust, who's just written this book winner takes all the charade of the global elites look what he just told me I dove should end. I think it should be canceled this year and should should end going forward. It is a family reunion for the people who in my view broke the modern world. I mean, you can't argue with that, right? Gotten look. The easiest line in the world to by the way. I tell you what I do when I come to doubles. So later today, I'll be meeting three of my presidents from Africa. They broke the economic system. I'll be meeting a whole lot of people from multilateral institutions who work in the developing world, I'm here because my institute was not for profit works in in some of the poorest parts of the world trying to help them and to be fair the people who come here the discussing series issues. So the easiest play in the world. They, oh, you know, all these people are coming along here the global elite and so on. And by the way. These arguments about cultural identity nationalism in my experience, you elites on either side of the argument, so devils it is what it is. It's it's an opportunity for people to come a network on issues of importance and some people may come here who billionaires from different parts of the world. But other people come because some of the issues discussing hair important on that note. Tony Blair, former prime minister, thank you for joining me. Thanks, very much Christiane will the best. Now, President Trump would also have been in Davos, but he canceled because its shutdown which is now hitting the one month. Mark he seems as far away from a deal with Democrats. The British Prime minister does on a deal for Brexit. And it's important to remember that this is not just a political, but it is a humanitarian crisis government workers and contractors keep missing out on their paychecks. Which for many means trouble paying rent utilities and even buying food. Jay, David, Cox, senior is president of the American federation of government employees. His union sued the administration earlier this month for making some of his members work without pay. And he's joining me now from Washington mister cogs, welcome to the program. Thank you very much for having me on today. Just tell me the, you know, the way you'll suit lies do have any hope of winning this. Have you tried this before we? We have tried it before and we got a favorable ruling and the past and winning the suit, however with a partial government shutdown our Justice system now shut down an America. So therefore the case can't move forward. Eight hundred thousand people are being required. Either go to work without pay or sent home from their jobs through no fault of their own with this government shutdown that President Trump and majority leader Mitch McConnell have imposed on the American people. I mean cuff guys go one hand, you're saying you suing the government, but the the ministry in charge. So to speak is is also out. So it can't process. It just tell me what are the grounds of your lawsuit on what basis are you suing? We're sewing for the fact that the laws require employees to be paid at least the minimum wage and employees have not been paid the minimum wage because they've received zero. In their paycheck. So therefore, they weren't paid properly. Also, the law requires employers to be paid Tom and a half for overtime. And again, they were not paid for anything. So the lawsuit deals with that. We believe we will prevail in the end. But currently eight hundred thousand federal employees are literally in soup kitchen lines asked him for free meals trying to barter as a President Trump said for the rent for the mortgage payments car payments. They are suffering tremendously going to work every day, but not being paid on pay day. I think one of the things that really sort of illustrates this kind of desperation is always when people need to survive by using food stamps, and even that is at risk of grinding to a halt, tell me what the status of the food stamp issue is right now, and how many of your work is that would affect. The food stamp program is ministered by the department of agriculture, which President Trump and majority leader Mitch McConnell have chosen to shutdown will not open at the current time. So therefore, the food stamp program snap as called is getting in jeopardy. There are many people that are working for the federal government. Now who are receiving no income would be eligible for it. But again, those resources are starting to dry up also because of this partial government shutdown. We're back to all Senator McConnell needs to do is call for a vote in the United States Senate to open up the government, the president's on the low and continue to operate our government, Mr. cokes. I don't know whether it's just me, but I feel that the advice of government agencies right now for workers like the ones you represent to hold Yod sales will try. Getting a side job as a dog Walker or a babysitter. I mean is awfully callous that. What is it doing to the morale of your people? The morale is a rock bottom TSA or transportation security officers who have done a superb job in this country protecting this country ever since the nine eleven and a great job. They're not being paid. They are the some of the lowest paid federal employees in this country. They are struggling they make about forty thousand dollars a year. They're living paycheck to paycheck, many of them. Do not have the resources to get to work to buy groceries to provide for their families. But yet the required to go to work every day or either they faced disciplinary adverse action could lose their jobs, and they're very dedicated civil servants very dedicate, we've have heard a lot about some of the most crucial because you just mentioned I mean, all of them are obviously, but to work in such a high stress high security area as the or even the eh traffic controllers and other people, you know, it must add considerably to the stress. And this forget you once worked for a government agency. How does it sit with you to hear other government workers being told just either don't come to work all all don't expect to paycheck come to work? Well, it does not set. Well, I went through a government shutdown lockout and nineteen ninety five ninety six my wife, and I both worked for the government. The department of veterans affairs. Neither one of us was paid on payday. We had young children we had to buy groceries. So it was a very difficult situation. That's what we're having to occur now with TSA, and we don't talk much about the fact because correctional officers and all of our federal penitentiaries bureau prisons, they're being required to work without pay and very dangerous jobs guarding us from some of the most heinous criminals in this country who are being fed every day, but they don't have enough money to buy food for their own children. So you mentioned that you once a government official fat you won't for the Veterans Administration. And right now, the head of the Veterans Administration is really angry and demanding an apology from your union because some local leaders. Suggested that the pressures of this shutdown could particularly effect vulnerable veterans where the and and potentially lead to suicides. And he's very angry is demanded an apology. Tell me where you stand on that. What why would you local leaders said that is that evidenced in that regard? Yes. That local leader is a service connected. Disabled veteran in this country. He works and the bureau prisons. He's a local president. He has hundreds of correctional officers coming to him continuously saying look, my children need food. My mortgage is due by car payment is due. I'm pay my bills. Wow. Are you going to get the government to pay me my paycheck on payday and yet Mr. Trump is not paying on pay day? And for the secretary of the VA to say that about a service connected. Disabled veteran is unconscionable. I cannot believe that the secretary of the depar-. Of veterans affairs would say that I worked in psychiatry, I'm registered nurse. I understand about disabled veterans, and we need to show compassion for our veterans in this country and a third of the men and women locked out of their jobs, not being paid in this country right now, our veterans, and I say shame on the secretary of the department of veterans affairs for even say such a thing about a man or woman that served their country. I mean, it really does bring it home very, very Stockley. So I think I hear you saying and many others have said that all these workers being used essentially as bogging chips full political process of political game of chicken in Washington. Do you see any way out of this impasse? As you stand. Right now is this hits since one month? Mark. Yes. It's a very simple way out of the past. So turn McConnell always got to do is allow vote in the Senate on the legislation that the house has passed that legislation will pass overwhelmingly with a veto proof. Majority of Democrats and Republicans send it to the president and allow the president to sign the legislation. There's a simple way out except Senator McConnell does not seem to want to do that. He doesn't want to upset the president. We have our system of checks and balances and our government. That's what congress opposed to do federal employees need to be paid. They're required to work all workers want to be paid on payday. They shouldn't be asking for a handout, they should just be getting their fair wages on pay very very briefly because I'm running out of time shouldn't the work because then be out in the streets protesting. How do you put you on the Republican majority? Leader to do something, but often things don't happen unless there is pressure on these haven't seen people out on the streets in this shutdown workers who are being witted. We have been having protest every day. We've had them all over the country. There's continuous protests. There will be a protest Tamara on Capitol Hill. There's been protests in front of the White House workers have been constantly protesting. Many in the religious faith community are beginning to protest because in the book of Loretta says that you know, that you not shown out rob from anyone that you shall pay your hired hand before the day comes to an end. It's unconscionable that the United States government would not pay its employees ease who are going to work every day providing services to the American people and all those visit our great country. Jay, David, Cox, president of one of the biggest unions affecting so many government workers. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Thank you so much for having today. You know, it's not smart job boards that overwhelmed with tons of the wrong resumes. Monthly there's a smarter way to hire at ZipRecruiter. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology finds the right people for you. And actively invites them to apply. 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Any today at Xeni dot com slash CNN. That's Z E N. I dot com slash CNN. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. So the American economy is also taking a big hit from the federal shutdown and also from the two year long trade war with China, but China is hurting to new figures released by the government in Beijing show that the economy grew at its slowest rate in almost three decades. So is economic executive one reason for Beijing's escalating diplomatic standoff with Canada. It's arrested two of Canada's citizens and sentence a third to death just last week most see this as retaliation for Canada's arrest of top Chinese tech official who's wanted by Washington for allegedly violating sanctions against Iran. It is complicated. David Maruni is counted as ambassador to China, he's one of more than one hundred diplomats academics and activists who signed a letter to Beijing demanding the release of those two Canadians and he's joining. Now from Toronto, I'm busting Maruni. Thank you, welcome to the program. Thank you for having me Christiane. So I set up by saying, first and foremost that you've written this letter. That's the latest intervention from from you and others. The Chinese have responded, very verbally violently. If you like and then completely dismissed that. What do you think is going to make the Chinese reconsider? This is a these situations are very tough, and when China has taken a step like detaining Canadians. And and as you say reopening, the conviction of a Canadian giving him the death sentence. It's very hard to change their behavior, and you have to work at it too many steps this is just another of those steps, but what's important is illustrated into the Chinese this isn't a Canada China dispute. China likes to isolate countries pick them off one by one the only country can't do that to the United States, and what we're saying is many people governments, but also scholars and diplomats and people around the world are concerned about some of the things that China's doing we hope that registers. So in part of the letter you've said, it's understandable, rather the Chinese ambassador said it's understandable that these Canadians are concerned about their own citizens. But have they shown any concern sympathy for men now, she is the official who's being arrested in China after she was they say Elise. Legally detained and deprived of freedom. So give us an update about MS manning who is an executive chief financial officer at the big wall way tech giant, what is her condition? I mean, yo citizens are in jail. They haven't had access to lawyers and let me add Christine if I may not only are over to citizens in detention, we know from their testimony and from the testimony of others that their subject the lights are on twenty four seven other subjects around the clock interrogation. These things actually constitute torture in international law, sleep deprivation, what's happening with MS mum. Couldn't be more different. She got a good Canadian lawyer when she was arrested in Vancouver. She had a bail hearing. She made the case that she should be allowed to live in one of her two properties in Vancouver. She has hired her own security guards. And she's on a curfew where she has to be back in a residence at eleven o'clock at night. She's free to go again at six in the morning, and she's been seen many times in. Vancouver shopping and going about her business. So candidate is following the rule of law to the letter, and we're treating MS mung fairly. She will have her day in court through this process. However it unfolds the same is absolutely not true of what's happening to our Canadians. So do you have any doubt because the Chinese completely reject any linkage? They'd say this is not a tit-for-tat response is the official position of Canada and your analysis that this is a tit for tat. What's happened to Mr. coverage, and Mr. spa will use citizens in China? Yes, this has to be seen as a tit-for-tat. In fact, the Chinese ambassador to Ottawa who's been very very outspoken and very feisty in his rhetoric and his in his denunciation of Canada, basically made that point and the point is to we've seen it before in two thousand fourteen Canada extradited a Chinese aerospace technician to the United States on suspicion of stealing US military secret. He subsequently but guilty and was sentenced to jail, but in the wake of that two Canadians a couple up in north China who ran a coffee shop on the North Korean border would detained. The husband was kept in detention for nineteen months. This is China's response of choice in these incidents, and they know that countries like, Canada and the United States the UK are very vulnerable because we care about our citizens. We don't want them to be held hostage like this. What do you think is going to be the outcome? Historically, these kinds of letters. Does this kind of pressure public pressure work on Beijing? These are all small steps but steps in the right direction. President Xi Jinping of China is a very powerful leader. And he's made himself more powerful through the years of his leadership and presidency. But he is vulnerable to a certain extent, every leader has enemies, and she has made his his share of them, and what is susceptible to in China is criticism that he's being too assertive China against. And this is why we've been warned the Canadian minister has been warned not to seek allies Davos because that's precisely what China doesn't want to have happen. They don't want to hear that serious countries. Like, the UK, and France, and Australia and others. The United States are all concerned about its behavior. So this is not this is really one of the best options that we have available to us. It's going to take some time. I think that relations with China are really a succession of of plateaus and valleys, you descend into difficulties inevitably because of the difference in your systems, Norway has gone through this because of the award of the Nobel prize to the Chinese human rights champion Lucia ball, and they stayed in the dog house for several years Sweden is just coming out of appeared of like that because they had the temerity to complain about the detention of two Swedish citizens, so we're going into that too. I think today's news, which is that the it seems. The United States will indeed proceed with the extradition request only prolongs this because the Chinese haven't found bottom yet. They don't know where this is ending their tremendously concerned that while way will be exposed to all of the scrutiny of a trial in the United States. Why is there tech champion and its business dealings will be put in in a probably a very negative light. By by prosecutors in the US if indeed MS mung stance stands for trial there. So this is a great concern from China. We haven't heard the last from them on this one. I'm, but how much of this do you think or how much does the economic worries for China right now play into this? We said that this latest figures show slowing economy. It's got this trade war spot with the United States as lasted the best part of two years. Still unresolved how much economic anxiety China face right now. They face a great deal of economic anxiety. And you reported on their the the numbers at the end of the year. They're in the annual number is a slowest since nineteen ninety. So there's a lot of concern there. And what's really happening is that this is taking place as China hopes to get into the final round of its negotiations with the US to end the trade war. So it was a very senior Chinese person you who the vice premier who's the economic czar is going to be in Washington next week, and the Chinese were hoping that they could sort of put this to rest and their their strategy was essentially to buy their way out of the impasse with the US to say we will buy at an accelerated rate and through two through twenty twenty four and by that stage, the trade deficit will have disappeared. So let's just get on with things, and you don't need to raise anymore tariffs that addresses the concerns of a part of the US delegation who really want this thing to end. To they don't want any disturbances in the markets. They wanna kick the problem down the road. But there are some true believers, and apparently that includes USA Representative lighthizer who who keeps a list of all the failed deals with China and doesn't want to do another one. Yeah. And for those folks really key is intellectual property piracy and cyber espionage old things that are associated with the hallway file, so this is a nightmare scenario for China. And it could up end the trade talks as well. And you just mentioned the trade talks. I've just had would quoting the FTC now that the United States has turned down China's offer of these prepartory trade toke, so former ambassador mall Rooney. Thank you very much. Indeed for talking to us about all of this is really really important issue because it also affects the global economy. Now, we turned back to the United States where a group of online writers of forcing us to off the question where should we draw the line between provocative thought and those who simply want to be. Evocative as the editor Clare Lehman founded the website Quillet as part of the so-called intellectual dog web. It's oftentimes a platform for those whose controversial views on issues like race gender and even sexual sold will consider fall to extreme for mainstream publications. So when they spoke in New York Lehman told at least Menendez why she's so determined to keep prodding the boundaries of acceptable discourse. Thank you so much for joining us. Thanks having me. You yourself were writing pieces yet you felt weren't getting the publication or the attention that you believe they deserved. Yeah. And I think this simply because my thoughts, and my views didn't neatly fit into a box conservative box or progressive books somewhat in the middle somewhere or just outside that framework. So I was interested in for example, men and women's different interest in occupations and often criticized a feminist narrative, which portrays men and women's choices as being somewhat forced or socially constructed. I was interested in evidence that suggested that many women come to different patients because they have innate differences a term. We hear thrown around a lot these days, and that is PC culture. So I wonder I if you're a believer that we're living in a time of PC culture. And if so if you can define that for me. Yes, I do believe we're living in a time of increasing political correctness, and it's difficult to define exactly. But. I think one of the the some evidence that we are is the amount of people who are getting into trouble voicing opinions that they wouldn't have gotten into trouble for maybe five or ten years ago, and we can see this on social media, people get mobbed people are losing their jobs. Now, some pretty benign opinions even saying something like men and women different or have biological differences can be considered controversial in some context. Can you give me an example of someone who you believe in lost their job over? What was a benign opinion. I think this. The example of James damore, Google, the he write a memo, and it had various occupants hypotheses in it. But then he's memo was presented in mainstream press being this anti-diversity screed. And he said that women can't do the jobs of computer science and technology engineering up to the same standard as men, but he he never made those occupants he presented much more nuanced com. Arguments based on empirical evidence showing that many women have on average different interests. And so I think the way in which we stripped down complicated and complex occupants and present them in these simplistic fashion is a symptom of pacey coach, and it's driving pacey coacher as well. There's currently apiece on Colette the new war on comedy, which takes a look at Louis CK who is someone who is admitted to wrongdoing, but there's there's question of if he gets to return when he gets to return, and how free speech operates in the context of comedy. Where do you come down on that? Well, I come down on the side of whatever is funny, east comedy and understanding that that's why subjective. Absolutely. But laughing at something laughter is an involuntary response. So if a comedian makes a joke, and we love this. There's no gap between the joke, and the the active law thing where we can say hang on is that an appropriate Joko. We just laugh if it's funny, and I think comedians player really important role in. Exposing some of the hypocrisies and some of the. Empty dogmas in society, and breaking convention and being transgressive. I think as soon as we start clamping down on comedians and telling them what they can. And can't Jerry about I think, we've become less, free, culture and society. And I think it's dangerous. Is it wrong for me to victims to be upset then by his comeback? All look me to victims can be upset over whatever they want. I just don't think the rest of us have to necessarily pay attention only into that amounts. I mean, people can have any kind of emotional response that they choose to have. But it's not it's not that doesn't mean we all have to suddenly comply with with Domon. These people have there's also a piece on the site about the post to Mus missed metoo in of JD Salinger is going too far to look back retrospectively at the men of history in the context. Of mute to there's nothing wrong with going back in we looking at behavior of historical figures, I think it just becomes problematic. When suddenly we don't read the books of Albelda office because they went up to our moral standards. And I think we miss out on precious literature and precious ought if we constantly judge oddest s- and people of the poss by current moral standards. What do you define as dangerous idea? What crosses line for you? Well, we we're all liberal humanists, and we believe in the dignity of human beings. And we don't like we don't publish anything where individuals. Denigrated or groups at denigrated in more moralistic terms. And so we don't this one reason why we reject identity politics, we think people at you cool in oak groups that equal. However, we do think that there are impure questions that open, and we'd like to explore them about differences between people in the interests, occupations and preferences, in that type of thing, the vast majority of names that are publicly identified with the intellectual dark web or white men. Yeah. What do you make of that? Well, I think it's a bit of misrepresentation because there are people in this, circle intellectual dot quip who aren't what men such as Komen Hughes. My stock and tribute to John MC water Glenn Lurie. Yon Hersi Ali. My should know was. Debra sorry. You'll agree that those names are not nearly as well known as Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro. Well, I mean that's pot because the mainstream. Give Jordan Payson and Ben Shapiro more of a platform than these less well-known names. And and perhaps that's something that should be remedied in rectify Pepsi's. Other individuals should be given more of a platform. If the intellectual dark web is anti tribalism, how'd your spun to the critique that you're simply creating your own tribe. Well, I think the critique is correct. I think we all creating our tribe and eighty something to chat fall because we will become susceptible to own form of group think and confirmation buzz. Absolutely. Where do you see that tribalism manifesting while unfortunately today, see that kind of tribalism occurring on in university settings more and more? With theories like such as intersection -ality becoming more popular where for example. Not just on university settings. But I believe the women's March that has occurred here in the United States is going into a bit of trouble for excluding Jewish women for the privilege, and I know that in California women's March was canceled because some of the organizers thought that too many what women going to be on the women's much, and it's that kind of tribalism, which we critique because we don't think that's helpful. We don't think that judging people or shutting down conversations or ranking people according to their privilege on the vet you of this skin color easing anyway useful at own. I wonder how much of it though in the context of America and America becoming a majority minority country has to do with the fact that people who have marginalized identities African Americans Latinos women for so long were shut out of the corridors of power. And in many ways, what they're looking for now is not to exclude to create a sense of community. On belonging for those have often felt on the margins. Yeah. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I don't think that is not beneficial. I think it becomes a problem. However if. Groups of seeking reparations or seeking to punish. Groups that they perceive as being a presses or the moment. Watchmen sort of this group who are perceived as. Speak oppressive clause, and because what men have always helped pal throughout history. Now, the needs to be some kind of redrew this, and I'm not saying that power should we shifted away towards other groups. But if we're going to be. Looking at individual white men. They're not necessarily guilty for hundreds of years of of power held by the arts cheek route. So I think the problem is when we we attribute guilt and blame to people who have have not done anything personally wrong to can you give me an example of someone who has experienced that. Oh, well, you see we've seen it in the United States on college campuses with some of the rape culture rhetoric where young men have found themselves caught up in unjust. This sort of procedures on campus where they found guilty by universities. But they haven't had the food you process rights. Protected and often the arguments made well what men for so long have had so much power and ripe has has sexual assault hasn't been prosecuted as aggressively as it should have. So what does it matter? If some innocent men being unfairly convicted or charged on university campuses, who's making that argument. Jessica Valenti on Twitter has made the point that she doesn't care if innocent Mindanao afraid of women because this is the time for redress the metoo movement and prosecuting aggressively prosecuting sexual assaults and sexual harassment in the workplace it's time for our reckoning and if innocent minner freight, then that's bad luck. The argument has been made there's a difference between innocent men being afraid and innocent men being unduly prosecuted. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I would say someone like. The math the mathematics professor who had his paper. Censored in an academic setting would say that's an innocent. Man. We had the click cross. Plays who? Charged the the accusations of rape against them fell pot. It was the Rolling Stone audible which alleged right happening at Virginia university UVA and that Philip hot that was a false story. And now the Rolling Stone of being sued. I know that there's been dozens of lawsuits in the United States on behalf of young male students who have been found guilty on university campuses. But in actual quotes in the actual Justice system. They've that decision has been overturned in their their dozens and dozens of Louis, so I think I think there is a a real issue and econ just be swept under the rug. Would you say that the intellectual dark web is anti victimhood? Yeah. Yes. Yes. Is there then a contradiction in declaring yourselves victims of culture who are anti victimhood? Yes. I think there is a contradiction somewhat. And it's it's an interesting one to navigate certainly that are true victims of coal out coach people who have lost their jobs because of something I've said on social media, and I would argue that using job. Of a comment made on Twitter perhaps disproportionate punishment at the same time. I think there's a real danger in people like myself and the tribe that we're a pot of. Perceiving Esso's victims because soon as you perceive yourself as victim, you lose a sense of agency in a sense of purpose. And so older there. Problems with coal out culture. And some people have lost jobs in some people do feel silenced in university settings. And that type of thing we have to always be very careful not to overplay that. And undermine our agency by thinking that we are. The demo- of of this cultural phenomenon in the long run. We really don't you so much thanks for having me. Some controversial views there for sure. But let's go back to an end on a more optimistic note with two of the most famous people around plugging are need to combat climate change, the legendary conservationists and broadcast David Attenborough was interviewed on stage by Britain's Prince William and tomorrow, we'll have more on this issue with the former vice president and environmental activist Al Gore himself, but that's it for now. Thanks for watching who buy from London. 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"NPR podcasts are now. Available on every platform checkout. All our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein, the UN Security Council is holding an emergency meeting on Venezuela where the head of the national assembly is claiming the presidency a move supported by the US NPR's. Michelle Kellerman reports secretary of state Mike Pompeo is trying to drum up more support arguing it's time to end what he calls the nightmare of nNcholas Medeiros regime secretary Pompeii oh tells the UN Security Council that Medeiros socialist rule has brought misery to the ones prosperous country, the US and many other countries. Now view the head of the national assembly one guy DOE as the interim president of Venezuela. Now, it's time for every other nation to pick a side. No, more delays. No, more games. If you stand with. Forces of freedom or you're in league with Madero and his mayhem ignoring Medeiros decision to expel you. As diplomats warning Venezuela, insecurity, forces not to test, the US resolve Russia tried but failed to block the Security Council meeting calling this an internal matter. Michelle Kellerman, NPR news, Washington in Brazil, ten people are confirmed dead after a dam collapsed at an iron ore mine in eastern Brasilia's today. But hundreds are still missing Brazilian Red Cross volunteer Tiago pollyannas says through an interpreter for the BBC the area around the dam is devastated. It took away. Everything the mud took everything it became a sea of mud the places, unrecognizable. It's difficult to say, what is what train wagon completely twisted. You could only recognize it from will rescue helicopters are searching for survivors by air crews are digging through several feet of mud and mine waste, the burst. Dam is owned by the Brazilian company volley which partially owned another dam that collapsed in two thousand fifteen President Trump has tweeted that negotiations with Democrats on border security, including a wall will start immediately. In the meantime, NPR's, Greg. My reports the head of the largest government workers union says government workers may have to wait another week to receive backpay. Jay, David Cox, head of the American federation of government employees has been through shutdowns before. And he's learned that it takes time for payroll systems. Geared up again. Hopefully by at least the middle. No later than the end of next week that employs will be paid the union represent some seven hundred thousand government workers, including many of those furloughed, but we won't are people backed were there so happy to be back at work. They want to serve the American people. Cox says the expects most of those not working will return on Monday, or even sooner in some cases. Gregory NPR news Washington. This is NPR. A government appointed panel in Germany is recommending the country permanently shut down its coal-fired power plants by the year, twenty thirty eight fossil fuels provide some forty percent of Germany's energy the plan includes financial help for energy companies and consumers Canada's ambassador to China's suggesting the US should drop its high profile extradition case of wall way. CFO mung one Joe the case deepen tensions between Beijing and Ottawa Craig McCullough reports Joe McConnell, the Canadian ambassador to China told a reporter from the Toronto Star newspaper. The it would be great for Canada. If the United States drops extradition proceedings against the chief financial officer while way. Mum one Joe was out on bail here in Vancouver awaiting possible extradition on allegations of violating trade sanctions against Iran. Mccallum? Alrighty retracted comments made earlier in the week. Week when he said monks extradition to the United States would not be a happy outcome and is politically motivated Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has refused to discipline. The ambassador seeing that would do nothing to free to Canadians who were detained in China shortly after amongst arrest for NPR news. I'm Craig McCullough in Vancouver. Japan's Naomi Osaka's now the world's top-ranked female tennis player winning the women's championship at the Australian Open today the twenty one year old beat twenty eight-year-old Petra Kavita for her second consecutive grand slam title. I'm Barbara Klein NPR news.
Is immigration the key to dealing with a shrinking workforce?
"This marketplace podcast is brought to you by sign now e signature solution that powers workflows for organizations such as zoom, Xerox. And the Boston Red Sox create an collaboratively manage e-signature workflows while tracking their progress in real time from any device. Visit sign now dot com slash marketplace. And get a free thirty day trial and by alliance for lifetime income an organization dedicated to educating and raising awareness about how a new console retirement income needs because income planning that includes protected monthly income solutions helps ensure you'll never outlive. Your money in retirement. Find out if making new ities vital component of your portfolio is the right choice for you. Learn more at retire your risk dot org. Oil prices in the new Venezuela. Oil sanctions, I'm David Brancaccio. The price of crude oil is up two point six percent. Fifty three thirty two dollars a barrel. Now this with new US sanctions on Venezuela. The oil rich country where the economy is already in deep disarray under the policies of President Nicolas Maduro, his leadership is being challenged by an opposition leader favored by the Trump administration. The main lever here cash from Venezuelan oil sales to the US would be held in escrow. Venezuela is America's fourth largest foreign oil supplier. But it's down to six percent of US imports and US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin implied yesterday that the sanctions will not destabilise prices. I'm sure many of our friends in the Middle East will be happy to make up the supply as we pushed down Venezuela's supply for more. Let's go to research grace targa Latin America director at the political risk consultancy the Eurasia group. Thanks for connecting. So as we try to parse these new Venezuela sanctions, the US Treasury Secretary thinks the Mideast could make up for lost supply. You think that's the case? So it's true that they're heavy barrels currently going to to Asia that that could come to Gold Coast refiners, easy, was that Venezuela is going to have to send its barrels to refineries in India, and China there's the only other refineries in the world that can handle that as well. As particular type. They're going to need to send those barrels there at just place Middle Eastern, heavy crudes, but that would free up those crews to then come to to the US. Now, what about this matter of China taking up the slack year? Buying more Venezuelan oil thing is they tend not to pay cash when they buy Venezuelan oil the Chinese that's going to be an issue that the government is going to have to work out with China in the past the government has repeatedly thought flexibility on existing loan. I just sent China fewer barrels. So the government is now going to have to see if they'll take more barrels and give them cash, but certainly that's going to require some negotiation with their Chinese counterparts. Then you mentioned India, they have the refineries that could take this type of oil. They do pay cash, I suppose, the Indians could drive a harder bargain, knowing there's this extra oil out there looking for a home absolutely of this is not going to have leverage in these talk. Again, they're going to need to charge enough of a discount on their barrels displace. Those those Middle Eastern heavy crews that are currently being processed and in India and China not to mention much higher transportation costs. Right. So clearly the refineries in India and China are going to be the ones with the upper hand in these negotiations. Reese agrees target is Latin America director at the political risk consultancy Eurasia group. Thank you so much. Thank you about eight hundred thousand federal employees missed two paychecks during the government shutdown now the scrambles onto get their back pay awfully by the end of this week. Marketplace's not say go has more. Before President Trump announced the end of the shutdown. He'd signed a Bill that gives back pay to furloughed federal workers, the head of the office of management and budget. Mick Mulvaney, said on Sunday on CBS face the nation that he expects employees ease. We'll see their paychecks this week some of them may be later this week, but we hope that by the end of this week all of the backpay will be will be made up. And of course, the next payroll will go out on time regular pay days for more than two million, federal employees are massive undertakings. But the system is number. Richard Loeb is senior counsel with the American federation of government employees. He says normally the government is able to pay workers within ninety six hours of receiving payroll information buddy thinks some federal employees may not even have to wait that long executive branch agencies and government, we're working all weekend to make the payroll entries. Some federal employees will get their back pay into paychecks. According to union officials others will get it as one lump sum. I'm. Renata sago for marketplace. As a nonprofit organization. Marketplace's able to do what we do everyday thanks to funding from radio stations foundations or underwriters and listeners like you. Thank you to all the marketplace investors contributed over the last year for helping keep public service journalism strong all of us really appreciate their support. That's marketplace podcast is brought to you by with Sabi. Hot cloud storage. If your company's thinking about moving data storage to the cloud, check out the company. That's rethinking cloud storage with Sabi is less expensive than just the maintenance on your current on premises storage. Plus, it's eighty percents cheaper and six times faster than Amazon S three with no egress fees. Experience. It for yourself with free unlimited storage for a month. Go to Assab dot com. Click free trial and use the offer code with Sabi. We're looking at America's low birth rate from several angles this month. The recent government report shows that the country's birth rate in two thousand seventeen was below the threshold for replacing the number of people dying the birth rate for some groups including Hispanic women are converging with the lower rates. Among white women today a discussion of demographics with Jack Goldstone, George Mason University, professor of public policy. He spoke with marketplace's Sabrina Benesch. You're what we see with regard to fertility. It's very much a question of desired lifestyle, we see more and more women, whether they are immigrant minority seeking to pursue a situation of greater autonomy and greater participation in the workforce, and the more women engage in the workforce, the more they develop a career ambitions, the fewer children. They tend to have do we actually need a stable or growing population. It depen-. Ends on your goals. If you wanna have a economy that's fast, growing and competitive, you need more young workers, you need more high-skill top of their game, energetic, entrepreneurs and workers and to get those we need either higher birth rates or more generous immigration policy. There are people out there who complain or are fearful of immigration because they say or are frayed that in some capacity might take jobs from Americans. But you're pointing out that we need immigration to fill the gap in a fertility rate. If our unemployment rate was still at ten percent. I would say, hey, maybe it's time to hold the line on immigration. That's not the world we live in. We're living in a world where the biggest problem of employers is finding people to do the jobs that are open. It's also the case that our population is aging the more young people in a sense the fan. Faster, we grow and we're in a world where young people who can be productive workers are the new scarce resource more than capital more than oil more than rare metals productive young people are going to be the key to growth, Jack Goldstone professor of public policy at George Mason, speaking with marketplace's Sabrina sure, this is the marketplace morning report from APM American public media. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by well frame does your healthcare organization. Give people the support they need outside the walls of care delivery. 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How The Government Shutdown Affects The Country
"Support for NPR and the following message. Come from we work. How do you feel about your office? Is it just a space for your company? Or is it a space to help you grow your company from new HQ's two satellite offices with we work. You can find a space that works for you. Visit we dot co slash space matters to learn more. This is one A. I'm Joshua Johnson. Visiting KPCC southern California Public radio parts of the country are not working. The federal government has been shut down for a record twenty three days and counting in Los Angeles. More than thirty two thousand teachers are on strike for better pay and working conditions. LA unified is the nation's second largest school district with six hundred thousand students will hear more about that later in the week. But we begin with the discord in Washington and the disruption in pain, it's causing nationally more than eighty five percent of federal workers work outside of Washington. Eighty five percent. Hundreds of thousands of people across the country have not seen the paycheck this year. Some TSA workers are calling out sick. And it's affecting everyday Americans in small businesses in lots of ways like FDA food safety inspections being temporarily put on hold. What is the continued shutdown mean for our safety? Our security and our sanity we asked you for your stories on how this shutdown is affecting you. Here's some of what you said, this is coal from Omaha Nebraska, while I am not impacted by the government shutdown due to employment through the government or use of food stamps or something like that. I have been being hounded by telemarketers offering pain medication and as a recovering addict, it's been incredibly hard for me to get ten calls a day that start went the name Oxy cotton. And I have tried to call the government line to report them and discovered that Intel the government reopened that is a service that can no longer be provided. This is Sharon in Colorado. I've been working on something for several months, which is joining the peace corps now everything has stopped because the peace corps, people are on furlough. So I'm not getting responses on my screenings. It's a whole long process. You have to go through the takes a few months to do. And now it stopped. I have decisions to make before I'm supposed to leave to go to another country at the end of may. And I don't know whether to put my house up for sale, I don't know what to do about my job. It's just stopped everything. And I think that's unfortunate. I'm surely, I'm calling from Long Beach, California. I'm calling in response to these government shutdowns. I m senior citizen I live in subsidized housing, please include in your broadcasts. How these downs are affecting people. I am a senior who is seventy two years old and my health and good. No one has the right to do this to anyone joining us to discuss this further from W T public radio at the university of Florida in Gainesville is Craig Fugate. He's the former head of FEMA and also Florida's former emergency management director, Craig. Welcome back to one A. Thanks for having me. Joining us back at our home base. In DC is David Borer, the general counsel at the American federation of government employees. Or after the union is suing the Trump administration for workers pay during the shutdown and the union is affiliated with the AFL CIO. David welcome to the program. Thank you. Glad to be here. Also back at our home base is our colleague from W A M U Patrick Madden. A senior reporter who has been covering the effects of the shutdown in DC, Maryland and Virginia Patrick, thanks for making time for us. Thanks, Joshua, David Borer. Let me start with you. Tell us a little bit more about after what kinds of government employees. Does your union represent well AFG represents about seven hundred thousand federal workers at seventy different agencies around the government. So everything literally from rocket scientists at NASA to cemetery attendance in VA, cemeteries and everything in between. In this shutdown. We have tens of thousands of our members either walked out of their jobs on furlough or being forced to come to work without pay. Can you give us a sense of which of those workers are being locked out? You said you represent all kinds of people are there certain groups of workers that you cover that your union represents that are the most heavily affected. The the biggest group the biggest single group is the DHS employees. We have forty five dollars of homeland security. That's right. We have forty five thousand officers at TSA that we represent there's another thirty thousand bureau, prisons are corrections officers who are working without pay and the list goes on and on and then others who have been deemed non-essential are at home unpaid on furlough Patrick Madden. Give us a sense of what you've been seeing in and outside of. Washington DC as it relates to the shutdown other than a foot of snow when else are we noticing around the region in terms of the effect of the shutdown. I say just it's it's having a really demoralizing effect on the federal workers and contractors that live in this region by one count, you know, a quarter of a million federal workers and contractors who live in DC right now are not getting paychecks. And so I I've I've been talking to workers who say they're they're seeking unemployment. I've I've actually met workers at the unemployment office who were there, you know, there are folks now that are going to food banks to get produce and groceries, you know, other people are trying to sort of figure out, you know, getting help from their credit unions to try to sort through the financial mess that this is creating in their lives. Let me play a quick clip from a woman you spoke with a federal employee who was part of a rally for federal workers in Maryland last week. Listen, it's it's really demoralizing. And it feels like people. Well, I don't know about the general public. But at least the president doesn't respect what we do. I mean, we are civil servants. I think several other people said that we are here to serve the American public. This is the first time in my working life. I ain't gonna have to go to my creditors and say, I don't know how to pay and it's embarrassing Patrick tell us a little bit more about her. And the workers you saw at that rally. A lot of the workers were were really emotional. You know, as you can hear in her voice. I mean, she was now facing the prospect of having to seek unemployment which was something. She was this was not something she ever thought she'd be in this position. You know, she she has she said she has her job. She's going to work on now. She's she's she kind of has had her life upended, and she talked about, you know, civil servants as she told me, I mean, they're really mission driven. They're doing this work because they think, you know, because they want to sort of help the government to help people, and they feel a lot of them that I spoke with feel like they're under attack because of this shutdown Craig Fugate, you lead FEMA during another shutdown in twenty thirteen give us a sense of what that looks like from inside the agency when there is a shutdown. The most immediate thing is you furlough almost all of your headquarters and regional staff to public tends to think FEMA still working because we're still doing disaster work, but anything that's not tied to the immediate response. To disaster is shut down. All our training shutdown all our ability to manage in run the programs all our ability to prepare for the next disaster. Fema just suspended all the contracting. That was done to have contracts in place before the next disaster. So this will have direct impacts when the next disaster strikes. I remember back in the last shutdown. We had to call people that were furloughed back into FEMA just begin preparing for storm that was in the Gulf of Mexico. So you kind of required them to work without pay because they became essentially essential employee's and for over week, they were considered unessential, which is kind of a misnomer. Also morale issue is everybody was essential. You're funded by congress. But who you could keep in the office, and who had to go home was always a challenge in plus two people you sent home you had to keep reminding. You cannot do any work as much as they wanted to do work. We had to remind them. You are prohibited from doing any work. Don't check your emails. Don't call anybody. Don't do any work. You can get in trouble. That Richard in Miami gardens, Florida wrote, our senators and congress people being paid during the shutdown if so why David I wonder how some of your members are responding to being in the middle of this political standoff is this just kind of par for the course, kind of thing. They knew might happen. How are they taking what is far too frequent? But I I think we're missing the outrage here. No, other employer in America can force their employees to come to work and not be paid. And the idea that four hundred twenty thousand federal workers are doing just that many something like fifty thousand law enforcement officers are risking their lives every day without even the promise of a paycheck. It's illegal in America to do this. If you're a private employer, but the government is doing it to our workers and it needs to stop. We'll get some more of your stories and questions in just a moment. I'm joshua. Glad to be with you today from Los Angeles. You're listening to one A from W AMU and NPR. This message comes from NPR sponsor ADT, America's trusted home security company can help protect you against the break ins fires and carbon monoxide twenty four seven emergency response when you needed most more at ADT dot com. What's unique about the human experience? And what are we all have in common? I'm guy Roz every week on Ted radio hour, we go on a journey to the big ideas, emotions and discoveries that fill all of us with wonder find it on NPR one or wherever you get your podcasts before we continue. Let me gets with few more of your comments and stories Moya is in Washington. More a tweeted, I hope you'll give some attention to US government staff overseas, they have few options, they can't get extra jobs because they aren't permitted to work in the country. They're stationed they can't just fly back to the US. What are they supposed to do? Tracy tweeted. My husband falls in this group. We live in north. Virginia and have four teenagers. We were in the middle of college applications for our oldest. But now we're struggling to find grocery money. Everything is on hold y'all. Want him doing his job? Trust me the region is grinding to a halt Patrick Madden. In response to Tracy's tweet. How are some government workers dealing with not having their paychecks? What are they doing? Well, you're you're hearing more and more about people trying to do. As one person told me a story, I reported, you know, whatever it takes from from washing cars to to to washing windows, but you know, in in this region in the region, so many people either work for the federal government. They're a contractor or their business is, you know, d- indirectly impacted by this one one one estimate is that it'll cost the DC region one hundred and twenty million dollars a day because because of this shutdown so one hundred twenty million a day, right? That'll be the economic impact on the greater DC region because of this shutdown, and you know, and it's having an effect on people, you know, up people make who seem to be making a lot of money. But once they're you know, these paycheck stop coming in. They are left struggling, and then you also have a low wage contractors who work at federal buildings that really when when when the shutdown began they were really impacted and missing paychecks has had devastating Conseco. Quences on them. And and they're not eligible for back pay from the government. Just by way of context. Patrick if that estimate is correct one hundred twenty million dollars a day. We're going into our twenty-fourth day. That's just under two point nine billion dollars of economic impact. Just so far. Right. And and of course, you you Cording to this estimate you'd have to take into account once there is back pay. But it still will have a significant impact. Craig Fugate talked a little bit about how you handle the last shutdown. Give me a sense of some of the other knock on offense. You mentioned there were some folks who were furloughed and had to come back in and worked, anyway, what other effects were that you noticed during that shutdown? Well, you know, one of the things that we hear annually from the partnership for public services employee engagement or what we call morale. And there's always a big deal about we need to make out better. I'm like, well, why don't we pay people? It's hard for people that you know, you don't get paid. You got bills coming in even when we reopen. It will take days if not over a week just to get people back up the speed to get things going. So even when the shutdown ends, it doesn't end it still takes time to get everything back up and get caught up think about we're almost now a month behind everything emails applications. So the stress for coming back in is is is going to be as bad for some folks. But it's just a day to day not knowing how do I how do I make decisions about which bills? I pay, you know, people say, well, I'm gonna get another job. We have to have your ethics officer sign off on that while they're furloughed. So I can't even do that. There may be people that are taking second jobs that could potentially be. Facing disciplinary actions. If anybody decides to go after them because they didn't have prior permission. I I wonder if you since you talked about morale at agencies like FEMA, I I wonder if you can talk about the kinds of people who work in emergency management. I remember what you were Florida's emergency manager. And I worked at wwl oriented Miami earlier in my career. And so I remember kind of seeing you walk the state through disasters. There's a certain kind of person there's a certain kind of a professional who commits to do the kind of work that an emergency management agency or that FEMA does. And I imagine those kinds of folks are hard to find in the first place. Let alone hard to retain when something like this happens. It's hard to recruit it's hard to retain. And if you've looked at pass reports from the bombing ministration currently through Maria and last year famous always had a challenge filling positions and now they can't even do hiring. But it's not just, you know, FEMA your everybody in the national weather service. That's no. Disastrous just hit all those forecasters, they're not getting paid every TSA agent. I see I think I'm because I know they're not getting paid. You know, this is just incredible that it's gone this long. And these people are dedicated they come the work. They don't I mean, this was our issue. We had to tell people quit responding to emails when your load. You're not allowed to do that. And they're going, but I want to do something. It was like your furloughed. You're not allowed to do anything, and they go that's not what I signed up for. And I'm like, yeah. Nobody signs up for furloughs. Trust me. But you cannot do work when you're furloughed, and you're telling people that's why they here they wanna help. They wanna do stuff. They see the need. And they're told your furloughed don't do anything Turner in Florida tweeted doesn't as working without pay violate some kind of slave law in America, especially with our history. How can the government demand that person not receive pay while they're working, David Bora? That might be a good question to put to you. Because if she has filed a lawsuit against the administration, right? Yes, we have and our lawsuit alleges that this idea of making people work without pay violates the fair labor standards act. It's a law that was passed in nineteen thirty eight after the depression. It's meant to protect workers from. Exactly this kind of exploitation and the federal government as an employer is bound by that law the same as private employers. And so our lawsuit seeking back pay and damages. This happened in a separate lawsuit in twenty thirteen after that government shutdown in the court there ruled in favor of the workers in has ruled that they should receive damages double the amount of back. Pay back. Pay is calculated as everybody is required by the water receive at least the minimum wage for any hours, they work. And so that lawsuit is going forward and given the precedent. That was set in twenty thirteen we expect that same judge will now rule in our favor. Very quickly. Where does that lawsuit? Stand right now, David it's been filed in the US court of federal claims, and it's. It's been submitted. The judge we have mended. The the lawsuit last week to broaden it to cover more employees, and we are pursuing that is exponentially as possible, it's a court process. Of course, takes some time. But we expect that case to move forward. Lou wrote on our Facebook page a self created crisis by an unstable man child and with the GOP unwilling to take any action against him. There is little we can do, but comment, Patrick, what is your sense of how federal employees feel about being caught in the middle of all these politics. I know that if you work for the federal government, you know, that it is an inherently political workforce in politics, definitely play definitely play into it. But does this feel different in some way to the federal employees? You've talked to that was my sense at this shutdown it, it feels different for them that this that they are being caught in the middle in this political fight right now, and they're paying the consequences. For it. But also that they do feel not only because of this shutdown, but because of the general tone and tenor in in Washington that that they're under attack. And and so I think you know, when you and the other part of this is why I think this is different than other shutdowns is that it seems like we don't know when this is going to end that how does this shutdown end in a way that this government can get reopened quickly. And you know, when you hear comments like this could stretch on for months years. I mean, when I spoke with with federal workers that that's the comment that stuck in their head that they have no idea how long this is gonna gonna last. And that's why there are they're thinking about all the sort of things that they're going to have to do to make that work and for some that might mean looking for other jobs. I mean, I spoke with one person who left a higher paying job in the private sector to come work for the federal government. They have a valuable skill set. But they wanted to do a job that you know, in their words was going to make the world safer place. And now they're thinking, why am I? Doing this. You know, I so I think there are going to be a a lot of costs and some of them could be, you know, problems with folk staying in their jobs. We were glad to get a number of your messages about how the shutdown is affecting you and your communities. Max left voicemail. Here's what he left in. Our inbox max Magden Utah and just call him to say of the TSA people in the border security, if they wanted to go shut down to stop real quick all they had to do is all walk out together with the blue flu. And again, t that those airlines would be losing millions of dollars. And all businesses would be losing a lot of money, and they would have their lobbyists. Putting those congressmen and also says congressman got trapped in Washington for the weekend or longer because of their lands. They would also have a little different opinion. Trump is a smartest man in the world. And I know he. He would never work for nothing. So why should these people be working for nothing? You know, Maximes for sharing that saw it into that point. We'd be interested to hear from someone who does work with TSA who can talk to us about how this is going on the ground. Joining us now from Seattle is Cairo deal. Mita a TSA officer at the Seattle Tacoma international airport. He's also the president of AFG local eleven twenty one Cairo. Welcome to the program for having me. I mean listening to all of you in. Thank you for the support. The last speaker talk to my officers the other way around a Chow told him, you know, remember, the traffic controllers, they all fired after they walk out completely. I do not want that to happen to my officers. So I'm doing my best to keep them working. I swim as the shutdown kicked in. I went online. I got an employment forms, I got a welfare forms. I sent to all of them some of them found out that they don't qualify for time because they still fully employed, although they're not getting paid. So what else do that Alaska and horizon, manages kicked in and breathing food all kinds of things with the officers and leaving the conference room offices are coming to me, what am I going to get my paycheck nex wet safety doing for me? So I told him that. If you swing them for that will pay we just don't know when that's going to happen soon. Enough them done speaking with all of you guys showing what's going on in Seattle. I'm planning to rent a u haul van and go through the food banks and get as much food as I can't give to those off. So keep them working them working. And I don't want them to lose their job. We want you're going from this interview to a food Bank to help feed TSA agents. Yes, I am. That has to be horrible feeling. However, I feel I have to overcome that. And make sure that my officers a feed into family one way or another. I also have access to union fund. 'cause I'm the president of the union when I can no longer access the food banks, I'm gonna chain of with the uniforms, and I'm going to try to get them working. So I can only imagine what morale is like if you're heading to the the food Bank to help feed your members in spending dues money on, you know, just basic basic needs. I I wondered how how your doing? I mean, you you personally, how are you holding up with all this? That's a good question before this all happened. That was giving my own time move at ours. Youth to my members three leave without a union right now. It's affecting my sleep. I'm sleeping fee to five hours every day. But I'm not gonna give it up as long as I can still get work. And keep those officers working. I'm going to doing I don't know if you've noticed this case Cairo. But I've noticed even just on the flight here from Washington to LAX that people have been extra nice to TSA agents. Lately, they've been very complimentary. These thank you for showing up. How is have you noticed anything from passengers any sense of solidarity with the public to people kind of get what y'all going through? Thank you for bringing that up. Yes. That is a true statement Dade have coming to to Seattle. They not only have been excellent ice, but being unaware that GSA officers are not supposed to affect in ago. Chips for anybody. They come up with. Starbucks gives God all the gift cards and one offs a grabbed a cod, and then the manager saw into the the card away from seeing who we know suppose affected, but we've talked to upper management. We'll put that in a Bank. Find a way you guys get rough weight later. So yes, thank you to all the pesticides come to Seattle and being extra nice really really extra nights in the dental there where did serve them. What would you like congress to know about what your fellow TSA agents are going through? What would you like them to know that might help end the standoff mess night around five o'clock congressman Adam Smith called me? And he asked the same question. I totally I don't understand why they fed a workforce is being held hostage for an issue that could have been solved between congress senators in the president. Why these officers have to pay for an issue that can be taking care of some? Other way. At least you've got your local congressman congressman, Adam Smith listening. I I really hope that this breaks in a positive way for you and your agents, and I'm sorry that you have to deal with this Cairo deal. Mehta a TSE officer at seatac international in Seattle and president of af she local eleven Twenty-one Cairo. I appreciate your time. Thanks very much for talking to us having we'll have more on the shutdown and more of your stories in a moment. Sticklers? Support also comes from Rossi's ralphie's is the everyday flat for life on the go. 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I'd love to get some reaction to what we heard from Cairo deal Mita, Craig Fugate, your reaction to what we heard from Mr. deal Meena, you know, starting sound like we're third world country. We came impair on folks. And they're having to go out and fend for themselves while they're still performing, you know, what we would consider a priority security service to keep air travel going. We get to a few more of your stories. Thank you again. For those of you who are sharing your stories of dealing with the shutdown. We know this is hard to talk about at times, it can feel shameful or embarrassing to tell the story of kind of how you're struggling. But your courage your willingness to tell these stories helps the rest of the country really understand what's going on. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being willing to talk about this Kelly in morehead Kentucky tweeted think about the SBA loans. The small business administration loans that are on hold. I have a friend in business seriously affected. By this. Thanks, also to those of you who have sent us some voicemails. Here's what Ashley left in our inbox. I'm Ashley from Sanford, North Carolina. I used to be contractor for the government. And I know that there's a lot of sort of questioning as to whether or not government contractors will be paid after the government shutdown is over with and I can attest to the bag that at least for my specific contracts. If I had been working for the government whenever this was going on. I would not have been paid either even retroactively this would not have happened. So, you know, for all the people who aren't being paid and who were on furlough as federal employees and they end up receiving pay retroactively. That is not something that contractors, at least that are contracted in the way that I was would ever be compensated in anyway. So I just wanted to add that so that everyone understood the financial impact of the shutdown really has on the smaller. Scale yet. Actually, thanks very much for sharing that with Patrick Madden. I'd love to get your reactions to what we heard from. Ashley as is relates to federal contractors. I mean, that's right. I mean, when I went to the unemployment office in DC and spoke, I spoke with several of these these contractors who, you know, some of them work as janitors or cafeteria workers at federal buildings, and in DC, and you know, they are they are struggling they're living paycheck to paycheck and is actually points out. You know, they are they're not expecting to get any back pay like a federal government employees. And so, you know, they're they really don't know what they're going to do in terms of of of whether they need to find new jobs. The the only thing that they these workers told me as their bosses said, hey, you know, your job will be here when when you get back, but that's it there. I don't they're not expecting to get any back pay. You did speak to a man named John Woodson. Who's a longtime federal contractor you spoke to him about how the shutdown is affecting him. While you were at that unemployment office. Here is. Part of what mister Woodson had to say can do you think he you know, if shutdown last what's going to happen for you personally? Well, my define about three or four part times equal to four pay or my washing cars or go back the detail, and whatever they watch them. When does whatever it takes, you know, put food on my table, and you know. You're here today. Hopefully start receiving some unemployment benefits. Hopefully, you know, who knows he might get away putting a freeze on it too. So let's hope see we get some done today. John Woodson speaking at an unemployment office in Washington, Patrick Duino what what became of mister Woodson. Did he get any unemployment benefits? I'm not sure. But the the the the other challenges that, you know, the unemployment assistance doesn't happen right away can take you know, a week or a couple of weeks for for the claims to get processed. So you know, he's hoping to get help. But it's not gonna happen. It's not going to happen right away. And there are a number of stories just like Mr. Woodson's of people that are really really struggling because of this David bore. What is your sense of what some of the long term effects of all of this are going to be particularly as it relates to the federal workforce. But are there any other kind of knock on offense in the aftermath of all this that that you and the members of your union or the most concerned about well, the human impact, really? Is what we're concerned about you heard from the gentleman it's trying to ply for unemployment, but the four hundred twenty thousand people who were working without pay most likely won't be eligible for unemployment benefits. So they really are in a dilemma long-term, if you lose your house, you don't get it back. If you get back pay after this is all over in the future if your child dies because you can't afford their medication. You can't fix that afterwards. This whole thing is an outrage in it needs to stop Philip emailed this morning. I heard Newt Gingrich interviewed on NPR. He said that most of the unpaid federal workers were Democrats. Now, I understand why Trump isn't worried about the length of the shutdown. Newt Gingrich wasn't eat on morning edition. We wanted to play one quick clip of his conversation with David Greene. Gingrich was the former speaker of the house who presided over one. The longest shutdowns of the federal government back in nineteen ninety five. Here's a clip from the interview with David where they looked forward at the potential for how long this shutdown might last. How long is this is shutdown gonna go onto you think? Oh, mid to late for what do you predict that? Nobody's trying to. I mean, I I in policies feeling Roach. She's a brand new first reelected speakers and Sam Rayburn in nineteen fifty four. So she has no reason right now to be reasonable Schumer, basically is tied to her. He he is the tail on the kite, and she's the kite and Trump is genuinely determined to protect the southern border. That was former house speaker, Newt Gingrich speaking to David Greene this morning, Patrick. I wonder what your sense of how federal workers might react. I know I'm asking you to speak for a large group of people, but how they might react to speaker Gingrich's comment. I mean, he's basically saying that Nancy Pelosi is benefiting politically by digging her heels in and that the president is is acting with ideological integrity in his shutdown of the government in the name of border security. How do you think federal workers by react to that argument for a lot of these workers? They do not consider themselves. Partisan democrat Republicans they're here to to do the job that they want to do. Do in whatever agency that is. So I think they would take offense probably again. Trying to to say what they would be feeling. But I think they would take offense at the notion that they are, you know, with one side or the other and just the fact that, you know, former speaker Gingrich talking about the stretching onto late February. I mean, I can imagine how federal workers would feel when they hear that you know, the sort of decisions that was running through their head. I know we're low on time. But Craig Fugate I'd love you to respond with regards to our security in the shutdown. Whether it's a threat at the border or a natural disaster. How safe do you think we are right now, we're becoming more unsafe? Everyday this shutdown goes on people are not able to do their jobs. People came by gas to get the work. These are people that they didn't sign up not to do their jobs. They want to be there. And they're going to do everything they can to be there. But every day this roads, our workforce is a roadster ability to do their jobs, and that in turn is making us more unsafe faster than anything else that's happening on the border which. Your sense of how long this might last. Greg. I think when congress can't fly home, maybe one. But I think it's when the journal public basically yells at everybody loud enough that this is enough stop as long as the echo chamber Washington thinks this is the debate they can have without consequences. It will keep going everybody in Washington knees understand this has got consequences in the public's tired of it Craig Fugate, the former head of FEMA Craig thanks for spending the hour with us. Thanks for having me, David Bora general counsel at the American federation of government employees. Thank you. David. Thank you and w AMU senior reporter Patrick Madden. Thanks, patrick. Thank you. This conversation was produced by Bianca Martin and edited by Miranda, full more. You can learn more about them and the rest of our team online at the one eight dot org slash staff. This program comes to you from W A M U part of American University. In Washington distributed by NPR until we meet again, I'm Joshua Johnson. Thanks for listening. This is one A.
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Hey, so deep let me start with you just for the heck of it test. My thesis test my premise, what do you think big picture versus micro week, the state of the macro-economy straw? The headline has never state of the union, but the president did have a hearty paragraph where he got to brag accurately about low unemployment higher wages people across the spectrum. The demographic spectrum the age spectrum the gender spectrum all getting jobs. That's that's that's all good. And obviously the big question is whether the president can sustain all of this for the coming months, if you can keep the economy afloat for just five more months than you get to brag about having the longest expansion in American history. That's another brag line, even before the twenty twenty state of the union catered so interesting that that when you talk about the president bragging about the economy you have to say brags accurately because as he points out. I mean, the president get some share the credit for what's going on. I was gonna say mostly accurate. Okay. Well, I mean, these are like fairly minor quibbles. But I was helping the Wall Street Journal team with our fact checking in, you know, the the president said, I think five point three million jobs created since he became president. It's five point one. You know, he said six hundred thousand manufacturing jobs, it's four twenty five. But this is with the president does. And but I guess some of us wonder why as who'd he pointed out there are plenty of things to accurately. Brag about but sending out aside for a minute. Yeah. He did he pointed to the fact that there are a lot of women participating in the workforce women's work. First petition participation has has gone up. We have low unemployment rates among Hispanics and African Americans. We you know, there there's a lot that he could point to. But he he conspicuously absent was any mention of the deficit which deficits have gone way up. And also he didn't make knowledge that a lot of forecasters are predicting the US economy is going to slow in two thousand nineteen. He said it was hotter than hot basically hottest in the world. Not even close, and that's not really true. Okay. So that was in fact, unim- one on my. Pitcher lists. So listeners out there. If you had that put that on your bingo card, number two city, I wanna get your sense of the global economy, the China trade negotiations secretary Mnuchin and trade Representative lighthizer going to China next week and the idea that we're kind of holding our breath all of us to see if the president and his staff can figure out this trade relationship lest things go really sour. Yeah. It's just like a tornado right in the middle of a beautiful landscape Accu don't know like is that gonna come and destroy everything that looks pretty good right now. Or are we going to be able to to drive away? And and avoid the storm in a in a moment like this and the Chinese economy, obviously at any point in the last decade, you can find found a reason to worry about the Chinese economy. All right. So we can happen. It feels kind of more real now. So deep though, doesn't it that that maybe it it does because you have this added complication, it's not just the Chinese economy. Emme? It's it's the Trump factor involving itself in the Chinese economy and the Trump factor always involves some bit of uncertainty. And so the US is inflicting wounds on itself fighting this battle the trade war that the Trump team argues will lead to some to long term gains having some short term pain. We're actually having casualties. You have them in the farming sector. You have across the manufacturing sector companies are starting to to recognize. Oh crap. This might not be as good as we thought it was going to be and something's got to change. And so that's the nervousness animating the moment K, what's your sense of the nervousness? I'm I'm figuratively, holding my breath. Yeah. Well, we we know that there are now your top American business figures, if you will that are pushing both sides to compromise and come together because they're worried about, you know, the potential for a lack of trade deal to to undermine the economy to Royal financial markets, apparently Steven Schwartzman, the CEO of Blackstone group, my colleagues at the journal reported he's been calling the Whitehouse. And encouraging them to to work things out. Former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, he's of course, a China expert. He's been pushing as well. Locate is listening. Well, I I don't exactly know. I'm not as close to the story of some of my colleagues, but there, but we have heard that you know, advisers are are still optimistic that something will come together. You know, we're probably not going to see some big broad, you know, fully complete deal come out before the deadline. But but outside adviser seemed to think there will be some kind of limited pact that will allow them to come back to serve these tougher issues later on. So that was a number two on my list, again listeners cross it off your bingo card number three for me deep, and I'll be curious to what you think to see what you think about this is is the conversation that's happening in Washington now around some more, shall we say progressive or left leaning way left-leaning economic ideas, the green new deal, and how to spend for that Senator Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer in their up Ed talking about stopping buybacks and the traction that they are trying to get for some of those ideas. Well, obviously, none none of these are going to take shape and become real policy in the next two years. What's? Interesting about this moment having in such a comically crowded. Presidential field is that you can you can debate along a will very wide spectrum of policy prescriptions. What is the right path to adopt take on Trumpism like what is the the animating idea? And some of these ideas that like look like super crazy now once people talk about them, and and get a little more of the details. They may not seem that crazy. Most people who are involved in this recognize movements take years sometimes decades to to build, and this these this could be that part of that Kate real quick. Do you think economics is the way to take on Trumpism come twenty twenty? I don't know. That's that's a really interesting question. I I would I would agree with deep set. It certainly feels like it's a it's a moment. I think that for the reasons we laid out the president has a pretty strong case in a said, just five more months. He'll be able to say that he you know, he was he was in office when he reached the longest expansion ever going to say more than. All right. All him. Yeah. Right. But. So so I think that I think that Republicans will will push that strong case, and we'll just have to see how Democrats answer that k Davidson of the Wall Street Journal city Brady from politico both of them in our studios in Washington. Thanks you too. Thanks guy next weekend. Wall Street today things kind of faded as the we came to a close. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. If you thought shutting down the federal government was hard, and it was in a very real and disruptive that people's lives kind of way. Restarting a monolith. That big is no mean feat either. There are paychecks still not delivered for sure but also a whole bunch of on their unexpected delays as marketplace's Eric embarrassed reports land, the shutdown ended on January twenty fifth affected government worker still had to wait for the next payday which wasn't for another week. So neat Verizon is with the national treasury employee's union, which represents workers at thirty three agencies, including the IRS, the EPA and customs and border protection. He says for those workers, although it was a thirty five day shut down. It was really at least forty two days before folks ended up getting any pay at all. And when they did get their pay stops, lots of workers found they were incomplete or even for zero dollars j David Cox presidents of the American federation of government employees. He says that's because the people that run the T systems the people that run the payroll systems many. I'm more self home said you cannot work. You cannot read your Email. So when everyone went back to work, they found a backlog of everything it just creates a collapse earlier this week, hundreds of female employees still hadn't gotten their paychecks. So their union president Steve Reeves, call the national finance center, which processes the agency's payroll to find out what was going on. There is not glitch in the paces. So the volume of backpay that was submitted to the national finance center for the program that they round he fault wasn't able to handle the volume of pay requests that were submitted at the same time, far lots of government employees checks were cut today. David Gherardo works at the National Science Foundation since the shutdown. He's gotten paid in two lump sums both of them short. He got his remaining backpay today. But also it looks like the took the federal taxes for all three paychecks all in one. Lump-sum? He's trying to get that figured out before the next potential shutdown America barriers for marketplace. There's a subsidiary of Volkswagen that's putting big money into electric vehicles nut cars, but charging stations for those cars two billion dollars to build thousands of high-speed chargers that it'll be able to juice up the newest cars in about ten minutes or so, and yes, it sounds like an infrastructure story and kind of is, but really it's more about consumer psychology. Marketplace's Scott Tong has that story. From the sustainability desk this investment tries to calm. What's called range, anxiety, the fear that your electric car can't veer too far from the plug? It's a little like phone charging Zaidi says David Santillo at the center on global energy policy at Columbia, if you're out and about you want to know that you can recharge the battery if you need it, and that's why public charging infrastructure for vehicles this whole important VW subsidiary electrify America, just announce a half billion dollars in new charging stations. As part of a total investment of two billion charges will go in your highways in CDs. Never more than one hundred and twenty miles apart VW agreed to this as part of a government settlement after admitting to cheating. Unemotional testing endless. Sam Jaffe at the firm cairn era says this brings competition to Karcher arching currently dominated by tesla. The significance of this electrify. America announcement is that they are a true competitor to tesla that's going to open the gates for others by one industry estimate. Electric vehicle sales grew Eighty-one percent last year and did use this sector on electrify America is not just installing stuff. Me. It's messaging with this commercial a knockoff of the Jetsons cartoon show called jet stones. With instant acceleration electric cars are more fun to drive and more affordable than ever it all comes as electric car technology is going through its own breakthroughs. Chris Miller is what the Rocky Mountain institute battery capacity of yokels is going up the charging speed of charging stations is going up. The Rangers going up just as the energy infrastructure starts to plug into. I'm Scott Tong for marketplace. British Prime Minister Theresa May's on the road again Dublin day trying trying trying and the deadlock over Brexit the big sticking point other than maize colleagues in parliament. And the European Union itself is what's called the Irish backstop the land border between British Northern Ireland and European Ireland. The deal at hand the one that may is already negotiated would commit the UK to staying in the us customs union. So there is no hard mortar. No customs inspections. No tariffs. No delays between the two. It is. Yes, an economic issue, but also one that could have real political, insecurity implications as marketplace's Stephen beard reports from the European desk. In Brussels this week the Irish prime minister stood toll on the European stage. Layover add Cup proudly declared the EU still unanimously backs the backstop. We agreed again today that it's needed as legal guaranteed to ensure that there's no return to heart border on the island of Ireland, and he could not resist. Side swipe at Britain's political shambles. I think the events in London and instability in British politics in recent weeks, demonstrates exactly why we need a legal guarantee on this issue. Radka has the overwhelming support of islands politicians and public. There's a widespread concern that that if Britain leaves the EU without a trade deal. It could reignite the power minitry war over the status of Northern Ireland. As left tenant, Colonel Michael Murphy of the Irish defence forces is explained in an interview with the BBC, you would have to bring back customs posts somewhere along the border along the main roads, and that physical infrastructure. He said could once again become a target for paramilitaries the and then that was Roger dope again, then you'd have to bring in the military rifle on the border once again to prevent the terrorists from a succeeding in what they wish to do. Hence, the backstop to prevent the reemergence of physical Boda checks between the north and south. But. May be another way of cheating the same go. You can move the way from the borders and do the shakes information gathering and controls in other places. That's laws Carlson, director of the World Customs Organisation. He advocates the smart or invisible Bulte using a combination of trusted trader registration cell phone GPS tracking to check trade flows and Levy tariffs instead of doing all these Mattis by the border who actually do them at the exporters premises. In a simplified way at the impetus premises at Nissim provide way trucks, do not have to be stopped necessarily at the bowl though. That is correct. The EU dismissed this as magical thinking, but calls and says many of these techniques are already in use around the world and was successfully tested in an e you trial involving Norway and Sweden that worked very well. And again, remember that was done on the European Union customs law and with the scrutiny and supervision of the. The European Union institutions Brexit is claim this proves the backstop is a cynical ploy to use the issue of peace to lock the UK permanently into the us customs union, and it could yield a political benefit for prime minister Radka. This is lavar. Add Kaz drive to win an election. Gnawed byu a British academic historian from Norfolk Island believes that for ad is whipping up anti British nationalist support for his fragile minority. Government byu wrote a paper for the policy exchange think tank, attacking the backstop are now has got itself a new mode of operating in Europe, which is very satisfying. Because now, you're beating up the old historical adversary. Bashing bit bashing is what they call it mind you with the British parliament in turmoil over Brexit and with the British government in disarray. The Brits seem to be doing a pretty good job of bashing themselves in London. I'm Stephen bid for marketplace. Coming up. You have to be there or you're like goals on the industry. You know, the digital music industry be there or be ghosted. But first, let's do the numbers down chose off a quarter percent today. Sixty three points twenty five thousand one zero six for the blue chips that has that up a tenth percent almost ten points into things at seventy to ninety eight. Yes. P five hundred basically flat twenty seven seven four the five days gone by the Dow up ten percent. Nasdaq up half percent the S and P five hundred again flat for the week Volkswagen, which we heard about from Scott Tong stories down. One point seven percent today. Ford though up almost one percent tech stocks kind of a mixed bag. Netflix up eight tenths percent. Facebook of a half percent. Google also known as alphabet down three tenths of one percent today. Amazon down one point six percent. With news reports that can reconsidering its decision to base half of the new headquarters known as H Q two in New York City. Also, there's that other story. You're listening to marketplace. Everybody, I'm KAI Ryssdal. Do me a favor. Check out the latest episode of make me smart. Maybe heard about that eg the one that went viral on Instagram well before cracked during the Super Bowl advertising rights related to it's worth ten million dollars. It's reported. Yeah. We're getting smart about memes, those cute little things that you share on the internet. They found a market. It's one of these things where if like money can be made money will be made mix mart. Check it out. This marketplace podcast is brought to you by the United States postal service. 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I also mentioned it though because by next year packaged foods is expected to be three trillion dollar industry worldwide. And if you ain't innovating in a market that big you're losing, marketplace's Renat, a sago explains consumers want healthier food these days, you know, plant based proteins and items, you can scoop up along the perimeter of the grocery store that desire for fresh has packaged food industry. Giants hungry to stay relevant Britney Weisman. A consumer analyst at Edward Jones says that's why companies like canal GRA are going for new new new gay created new Powerball lines on health each. Choice. They up to the quality of ingredients in a lot of their frozen offerings. And they updated the packaging another approach big package. Food companies are buying up smaller companies Kanako acquire the natural foods line boulder. Brands through its purchase of pinnacle last year Campbell bought bottle juice maker bolt house farms in two thousand twelve with the same intention food industry analyst, Phil Limpert says big package food companies have even launched their own startups, and frankly they've failed. He says some companies are simply putting money into newer companies Tyson Foods, the meat producer is now an investor in the plant based protein company beyond meat, they're giving funding they're giving facilities to these small startups in lieu of taking a little piece of the company hoping that they'll be a success outside of acquisitions mergers and investments Vic packaged food companies are partnering with universities to do agricultural work bird flick and the third. Of strategic resource group. The brands are definitely looking to the institutions for innovation. An Acura did not respond to requests for comment about its layoff plans. It's deal with pinnacle foods was valued at nearly eleven billion dollars. I'm not a Seiko for marketplace. The music business in this digital economy is overwhelmingly streaming. That's the obvious part. Right. The perhaps less obvious part of that though is that according to Spotify. One of the biggest music streaming companies. Mexico City is a hotbed of digital music. It's spotify. Biggest market in point of fact, Amazon music launched their last year as well. Which is great for artists in Mexico who want to be heard, but it's also a business opportunity for marketers and promoters from K J Z Z their Mexico City bureau chief Rodrigo surveys reports. In Morgan extremely pack venue, everyone sings along with ho swaggie Colson also known as a folk rock artist kill Aniston. Geico says it's a crowd built not by some records, but through social media and streaming platforms. Deploy these are the new thing, you know, like the new radio kill Aniston has been streaming on Spotify since twenty sixteen his Spotify data show over one million place and more than one hundred and fifty thousand followers in sixty two countries deter music right now is the thing like you have to be there or jor like a ghost on the industry. You know? Geico says started to play decades ago when big record labels controlled the market something he always disliked streaming music gives him freedom exposure and royalties still there's something he misses the thing that I don't like from from the streaming is the now you have to do albums you just do singles. So for me. It's kind of sad, you know, but those singles can have a brought reach and advertising companies are also using digital str-. Seeming to connect audiences artists and brands Mexico City is major metropolitan contemporary place and the music reflects that that Samantha Borden, owner of a marketing and music agency in Mexico City, Parvin music has worked with major brands such as on a beer and emerging in detail. It's like the band soaked on my. Marvin says corporations want more ears than eyeballs on their brands and streaming platforms such as Spotify apple music or YouTube are bringing in the big audience numbers. It's definitely a growing market especially in the world of advertising and someone who has witnessed the evolution of music industry in Mexico is gummy Luleta, he's a producer. Former director of a record label and co owner of a music company called Kasich. This song is one of many from. He's project called the Mexican institute of sound which constantly tourists around a US. It was used in Pixar's cocoa where an animated DJ was modeled after Ladda. It'd be not learning curve to try to discover how is going to behave the whole music business. Lhota says he owns around forty five thousand vinyls and fifty five thousand CDs. But mainly listens to streaming music. Now, as technology has changed the way music is distributed. He's company focuses on the artist and not under medium instead of putting together a traditional record label. We decide to just offer the tools to make your own independent label laddis company gets a cut of the digital distribution income for the artists he manages but allows them to keep their own copyrights. He viewed or known you rights, basically urine. You don't have anything and thanks to a growing international digital profile. Mexican artists are starting to get gig. And sponsors outside their homeland like you'll Aniston toward in Spain. Last year. In Mexico City. I'm role that he goes on this for marketplace. This final note on the way out today a worthy use for all the precious metals and all those zillions of electronic devices that get tossed every year the Tokyo Olympic organizing committee, the twenty twenty summer games are going to be there. The committee's announce it has met its goal to collect enough metal from recycled electronics smartphones, laptops, all those things to make all the medals that will be awarded at the games, which I think is cool. All right. We gotta go down dust drills off a quarter percent, sixty three points. The NASDAQ up a ten percent, that's almost ten points s and p five hundred basically unchanged. Our theme music was composed by BJ Liederman. Marketplace's executive producer is Nancy fog. Allier executive editor is Evelyn the Rubia. Deborah Clark is the senior vice president and general manager on KYW Rozelle great weekend. Everybody we will see again on Monday. This is APN.
Trump Refuses Border Wall Negotiations And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez DESTROYS Trump
"If you like the young Turks podcasts, I think a lot of the podcasts on the TRT network old school. It's one of my favorites. One of the favorites for a lot of the listeners. Please check that out. Subscribe share it at makes a big difference and give it a five star rating. Thank you. Hey, everybody. It's feeling Turks. I was doing an Anna impression there if anybody knows. But during this year, I'm here Johnny ROY Jenkins, still gone, still good riddance. But we have a lot of I'm kidding. And he he might actually watch. Honestly, no need travels. I think he's still pays attention to the news a lot. But anyway, we've got a great couple of hours for you. And I are gonna lead you through the first hour, we're we're gonna be talking about the fallout from last night's presidential address as well as a bunch of additional news. And in fact, more good news. We have just a little bit more good news for you. We don't often get that. We certainly don't get that two days running, but we do today, and it's not all good, obviously, we're going to be talking about the government shutdown. The wait is affecting working Americans the way, it's affecting national security as well. So lots to talk about and then we'll have a second hour. I'm really looking forward to the second hour. There is no government shutdown news in our two of today's show mostly because. I don't know if you can relate to this. I am exhausted from talking about the same thing over and over again. So we are going to cover the relevant part of that story in our one. But in our two we're actually going to revisit the financial situation that millennials are dealing with. And it's not just about millennials older generations or dealing with an insane amount of consumer debt, and we're also going to discuss Donald Trump threatening the state of California yet again with a recinding FEMA funding for wildfires. Arguably threatening us with a fiery death, actually, much, really, exaggerating it, but just the firemen, you know, just the people out there fighting he wants them to be left without resource exciting level of or the lack I should say, of empathy and common sense and just leadership skills that Trump or, you know, shows on on on a regular basis is mind blowing to me. Well, look, we should've known. He's a guy who doesn't like dogs tells you everything you need to know. He does. Dogs. No, where's the White House dog? Is there any redeemable quality with this guy hair? Anyway, so we do we're going to get to. So why don't we just jump right into it? I know that you don't wanna talk about the shutdown. So that's gonna do for the next forty hour one hour two. So exactly okay. Let's do that earlier today. Donald Trump met with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi obviously yesterday, he addressed the nation. They gave their counter attacks such as it was and today, they met and since then the media has been wall to wall coverage about it. That is a complete waste of time. We're going to walk you through everything you need to know about this meeting in like, sixty seconds. So they met reports from inside of the meeting both from Donald Trump, and from others who are actually somewhat trustworthy, say he asked for funding for the wall. They said, no he stormed out. That's the whole thing. I don't know. I don't know how you feel multiple hours of news coverage about it. But that is not only what happened. That's what we would have predicted would happen. He is going to. I would assume break eventually, but we're not quite there yet. Yeah. So the financial situation for these government workers has become increasingly dire for obvious reasons. A lot of them are working for free. Lot of them have given up and they've quit. And here we have a president who is ignoring the advice of every competent person and continuing on with his temper tantrum. And there is no end in sight. So again Democrats have offered funding for border protection. Okay. To the tune of of I believe one point three billion dollars not funding for this nonsense wall, but funding for increased border security, and it's not good enough for him. He demands five point seven billion dollars the border wall. So. So this continues. I mean right now, this is the second longest government shutdown. I believe the longest government shutdown in history was in the nineteen ninety s and it was twenty one days we're quickly approaching that by this weekend. We'll have that the one thing he has going for him is that if there are any political leaders in this country who would actually buckle and hand over billions of dollars for wall. I think Chuck Nancy might might potentially be them. I mean, I it's like the idea that they're definitely not going to give him the wall. How many years into this whole Trump thing are we if you could still maintain that sort of positivity. I can't match you on that. Do you think that they will eventually cave and give him? I don't think that that's the more likely outcome. I think that he is now flying high off of his speech not because it actually changes situation. But because as soon as he stopped talking and breathing heavily through his nose. He began being stroked by all of his advisors saying you did a great job. You're amazing and that will sustain him for a little while. But then he goes back. He starts watching the news. And he sees that. I mean, look maybe pulling will come out, and it was a gigantic success. I kinda doubt it and his mood is going to dark, and again the thing is in past shutdowns. You had a politicians who had a degree of perhaps shame and also empathy for the people, whether they're Democrats or Republicans they had some of that he doesn't care about anyone other than himself, including his family. And so because this shutdown is that personally hurting him all of we're going to talk about for the rest of the hour or a good chunk of it. Anyway, having to do with how this is. Eating real Americans. He doesn't care about any of that. But if this does hurt him more in the polls, if it seems like it's likely that it'll hurt him in his reelection bid. Then I think perhaps it's about immigration, and so maybe he'll buckle. He'll come up with some argument about how he never actually was asking for wall or the Democrats are gonna pay for it. I don't know. I don't know what it'll be. But maybe that's what happens. He does have this incredible ability to completely change his messaging, and then claim that he had been saying the same thing all along. So is it possible that he can argue agree to what the Democrats want? And then later argued that he never really wanted the funding for the wall in the first place. Sure. In fact, I encourage him to go in that direction. That is a good direction to go to because right now his popularity his approval rating is being hit by this. The majority of Americans do blame Trump for these for the government shutdown. They probably blame him for the government shutdown because he was on the record saying, quote, I would be. Be proud to shut down the government for border security. And that is what he said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He said, you know, why don't we why don't we go to video for actually just in case? There's anyone who wasn't around a couple of weeks ago when this process started a video is going to lay out that he is very willing in advance to take Clinton the claim with the situation. We're now in if we don't get what we want one way or the other whether it's through you through a military through anything you want to call I will shut down the cap, and I answered around, and I am proud to shut down the government. So I will take the mantle I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for the last time you shut it down. It didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting down. Okay there. So he has the Mansell. He's not blaming Schumer. Just so that we're clear on that. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And it doesn't matter if you can't get it through them. He'll get it through a military. We don't know who's military of Sweden. I don't know. He doesn't make any sense. Anyway, why don't we move onto something a little bit more? I think productive a little bit more positive. All right last night's democratic response to what Donald Trump said I found to be a little bit weak. But there was a strong response not long after and that was new. Representative Alexandria, Cossio Cortez who happened to be on Rachel Maddow show. And so she was able to live responded, Donald Trump Donald Trump's address immediately afterward. And here's what she said. He has separated children from their families. He talked about what happened the day after Christmas on the day of Christmas a child died in ice custody. The president should not be asking for more money to agency that has systematically violated human rights. The president should be really defending why we are funding. Such an agency at all is the majority of the reason that people are undocumented is visa overstay. It's not because people are crossing a border illegally. It is it is because of visa overstay which mind you he's talking about legal immigration. He's trying to restrict every former legal immigration there is in the United States. He's fighting against family reunification. He's fighting against the diversity visa lottery. He's fighting against almost every way that people can actually legally enter this country, forcing them to become. Undocumented and then he's trying to attack their undocumented status. This is systematic it is wrong, and it is anti-american. And again, those women and children trying to come here with nothing, but the shirts on their back to create an opportunity and to provide for this nation are acting more an American tradition than this president is right now. Good. I just got chills. I just got chills. Yeah. Other way, this is a point aside from policy. It's incredible. How much more articulate she is than the president of the United States. You know, someone who's much younger, obviously, someone who is not as experienced in the political world, but has a better grasp of what this country stands for has a better grasp of how things really work with immigration was a better grasp of what the actual issues are in terms of how to fix our broken immigration system. I mean, really no one else in the mainstream media mentions, and they should there should be something repeated over and over again, Trump is not going after illegal immigration what he's doing is trying to restrict legal immigration. These are people who are seeking asylum at the border that is a form of seeking legal entry into the United States. So when he keeps referring to. Legal aliens or when he fearmongers about undocumented immigrants in the United States. He's not actually talking about people who are trying to come in through the legal way of seeking asylum. And that is the issue that's happening at the border right now people were fleeing violence in their own countries to seek asylum and safety here in the United States. That's what's really happening. Alexandria of Cortez is amazing and fantastic. And it feels good to see someone who's intelligent speak about this issue. Exactly. And because of the time of her covenants coming not long after Donald Trump's address we were able to compare it almost directly to other modes of communication. I mean, obviously with Donald Trump. You had endless lies. We debunk them at the time. And then you have the democratic response which largely on the policy was fine. I mean, they didn't they didn't say much. Of course, they didn't lay necessarily exactly what they want to see done, but they did lay on a good case for what they did not want to see him do which is fine. But with Alex. Sandra cortez. You not only have the right policies. You have an expression of the right values delivered in the right way. You have the trifecta. That's what we need to counter this. I don't think that it's ridiculous to say that the democratic leadership. Look if they want to be behind the scenes, and they they wanna be pulling the strings, obviously, they're going to do that. They're the leadership, but they should push her forward as a messenger on this issue. Look how mocked were those two leaders in the Senate and the house side last night. I think obviously optically it was kind of a disaster. There are other people who could pick up that mantle who agree with you on stopping the wall who wanna see far more humane treatment of these people fleeing from violence in their home, countries and could deliver it in a way that expresses the values underlying the policies in a way that is human. So last night when we did live coverage of both Trump's speech. We fact checked him. Obviously, we went to the response by Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi. Well, all of this was happening. I felt a little bad when we wrapped up our coverage. Because I was very critical of the optics in which that were portrayed when Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. We're speaking, and I was like do I have this anti establishment democrat bias that's making me see things in a way that might not be accurate. So I immediately started listening to MSNBC after we wrapped our show because I wanted to hear what the pros stablishment Cable News Network had to say about their response. And sure enough there were very similar criticisms. And I commend them for that. Because I know MSNBC shies away from criticizing establishment Democrats or these in general and look their response was void of any passion. Void of any emotion. Right. And I think that in a case like this. It's important to show that this is an issue care about that you're compassionate toward asylum-seekers at the border. But more importantly that you're passionate about sharing the reality and the truth with the American people. And it was just such an awkward display. It made me feel a little uncomfortable. Watching it even though the content of what they're saying wasn't necessarily wrong. It just felt like this rehearsed response that was void of any passion. And it was it was strange to see that. And then of course, that was followed with Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders was a person like that's the best way to describe it. He came at it for with facts, he came out with a genuine concern over what's going on right now. And he came out with the reality of what Americans are really facing right now with the real crises are right now, it's not women and children at the border seeking asylum. If you're really genuinely worried about a national security threat, you should be worried about what's happening with our climate. You should be concerned about what's happening with healthcare in the country. And so it's good to see real progressives. Come out this from the right angle from the right perspective. I just want to briefly point. I loved Bernie's remarks as good Elvis. He had had more time. We had Alexandra participated like a minute of video, and he went on for longer than so he included a lot. I would say second for second though of the four addresses. We've now seen I liked hers better. And this is gonna piss off all the people that want to say that she's a lightweight. She was the only one not reading from a teleprompter. Yeah. That's a good. She'll just talking and she was expressing those things not to say that she's ever thought about those things or or spoken before. Obviously, you know, you start to get certain things we did the same thing. But she was just communicating based on questions that happened to be posed door all the rest, including Bernie, we're reading prepared remarks. Yeah. That's a great point. And there's nothing wrong with reading prepared remarks. I mean politicians do it all the time. But I think that when you speak off the cuff, and you do so passionately and with the facts, you know, on your mind that is way more effective in communicating. The truths to the American people. I think that resonates more than reading a script. Yeah. And in terms, I'm going to read from some of my prepared graph. Fix in terms of some of the other potential messengers. I mean, including AFC on this issue. Let's go to a tweet that she sent out later last night. She quotes from the nineteen twenty four Ku Klux Klan convention, a quote, build a wall of steel a wall this high as heaven against immigrants. Some great idea never really dies. And then says we know our history, and we're determined not to repeat its darkest hour America is a nation of immigrants without immigrants. We are not America that is a strong expression of our values. And then I also liked Representative Omar if we bring up her tweet doing a bit of fact checking four Donald Trump with US immigrant apprehensions at the border with Mexico going back to the year two thousand showing that they are now at a forty five year low down seventy five percent from the year two thousand the facts don't lie, but Trump does not one dollar for his vanity wall. Hashtag Trump shut down. So I can I just jump in on that. First Representative Omar is one hundred percent correct in the statistics there and that is based on what border patrol has reported. And the reason why it's important some people might look at those numbers, and they might think well nearly four hundred thousand immigrants trying to enter the country illegally is still a problem. And if you wanna make that point. Have no problem with that. That's fine. I might disagree with you. But the reason why it's important to show that statistic and juxtaposed that number two what apprehensions were like in earlier years in the two thousands and the early two thousands. We're not undergoing a crisis right now where there is a record number of people trying to enter the country illegally. That is just not the case. So the problem that we're having right now is that people are not even agreeing on the facts because look immigration is broken. We do need to come up with solutions for immigration there. Does we do need comprehensive immigration reform? But we can never get that. If you can't agree on the foundation. And the foundation includes the facts, what is the real problem? What are the real numbers? How can we solve it? Right. And that's just not where we're at right now if you can look at that and think that we are in a national -mergency, then fine. But we were at a national -mergency that was more severe for literally. Every other year stretching back a half century a half century of which I'm not necessarily prepared to say, I don't know the numbers exactly we were governed more by Republican presence. But a lot of them were Republican presidential years. Two of them were years governed by Donald Trump's. So if we were in more of a national emergency during those two years, what was he doing during that time was he was watching TV was eating flail fish? Why did he wait two years until the eve of a Democratic Congress before finally declaring the national emergency that you believe we've been in for at least a half century if not longer, but those are just the facts? Thank you, Omar for pointing out. Yes. Okay. I don't know if Donald Trump is necessarily thrilled with his performance. I have a feeling he's you know, he has a high opinion himself. He probably will. But he also looks to external validation that is one of the reasons why years after his inauguration, he still talks, you know, inaccurately about the crowd. He was able to draw. So let's talk about numbers, then let's talk about ratings something that he as. Our reality TV star in chief is certainly interested in the quarter hour containing the president's speech, drew combined twenty eight point one household rating in metered markets across all of the major networks, basically that were displaying his speech. So this is trying to be as fair as possible, including all of them. Interestingly though, the following fifteen minutes, including analysis of his speech and the Pelosi Schumer rebuttal averaged a twenty nine point three four percent higher, which means after Donald Trump stopped talking. And we went back to those purveyors of fake news on all of those networks, and then Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi more people tuned in now once he gets these numbers. I have a feeling that that is going to know him that makes me a little bit happier. Yeah. That's a little tiny bit of good news. I don't know why the numbers are the way that they are. I would assume that he would have high ratings I guess for this Oval Office address. It could be that people were slow in tuning in. And they may be. It didn't have the opportunity to at the top of the hour. Who knows who cares? But regardless of what the reasons are it does bother him when he's not able to put on a show because that's really the thing that he's always cared. The most about he's a showman. And he always brags about ratings. He always brags about the drama, and the popularity and all of that. And so if Democrats had higher viewership than he did, I'm sure it will get under his skin. I do get a little bit of pleasure out of knowing that the one other thing that I thought was fascinating. And this was reported by the New York Times this morning was that Trump actually did not think this Oval Office address was a good idea. His aides persuaded him to do it. And so that could be the reason why he came off as very low energy as he was reading a script off the teleprompter. And so yes, I think you're right in that his aides will probably tell him. He did a great job and applaud him. And you know, blow up his eagle a little more. But every show that I watched every report that I read following the address was a little critical of his energy, and reiterated what we've been saying that anything that he has to say isn't going to change anything. It's no different from what he's been doing on Twitter. And I think that you know, that's that's another. I don't know if it's a win. But it it's another upside to the aftermath of this. I don't think that it really helped him in any way. I don't think it's changed anyone's mind. And I was worried that he would fearmongers so much that some Americans who are kind of on the fence would end up believing him and thinking that this border wall funding is necessary. So I listed those numbers. I wanted to talk about this just briefly not just to hopefully anger him. If he sees it. That's a good part of it. It makes me feel better. But also on the flip side, we talked after watching Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi last night and said that that also probably. Would not change many people's minds if at all, and that was before we knew that more people would see it than would see the president as well. So imagine in a different world. We're had not been those two were it had been Representative of Cossio Cortez or some other more dynamic persuasive effective communicator that was a gigantic opportunity that they were given to respond to the president. And I would say that it was kind of flubbed. I absolutely agree with you. So I don't know I don't know whether or not more people watching the democratic response works to our favor because that response was so incredibly awkward, but can you imagine them giving someone like Representative Cossio Cortez the opportunity to address Trump's statements? I mean, the the mentality in Washington. And unfortunately, I think this is the mentality in pretty much any other workspace is that someone needs to pay their dues. It doesn't matter. How? Popular. They are how good their ideas are how passionate they are on the issue or how much first hand experience. They have with the issue at hand the person needs to pay their dues if they're new to the workspace. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if they're policies differ from the political leadership. I mean, I don't know exactly. How long has it been around? But didn't after one of the state of the unions. Didn't the young Kennedy gets to respond? Oh, let me say at times have as long as your policies. Don't diverge too much for the leadership may be point. You can jump ahead. Yeah. Anyway. Oh, and by the way, brief credit to Rachel Maddow. So the Democrats didn't dare put forward to give the response, but Rachel Manno had her on knowing that was the night of the address. So that she could respond which gave her a very big platform. Thankfully. So. Exactly. Yeah. And I would assume that if you'll Rachel Maddow. I bet the ratings. We're pretty good on that. I could see her inviting back near future. I hope so. Okay. We are going to take a short break when we come back a little bit more. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the young Turks cynic experience. John I'd Arolla lots more news for you before that though, I do want to give shots to a couple of TYP members. Those would be Heather ghosts. And Jeffrey Wallace thank you for being members. Obviously, you know, you quite a bit in terms of access to additional materials like last night's special. But we very much. Appreciate you doing what you do. So that we can do what we do. I've got some super chats for you from a shoo-in who says that someone take his bottle away. So he shut the government down until he gets back. That is a theory. We will send Ken cope Stein to look into that. Deploy. Philippa Fisher says looks like Whoopi got triggered with the idea of a seventy percent top marginal tax rate, probably because she's worth forty million dollars. So I didn't watch that. So I don't know lumpy has been on this like warpath against congresswoman Alexandria costume Cortes. Yeah. I love saying congress for a while she's attacker several times on really do at this point. And I look I want you guys to understand if someone is giving you the news. And there are a household name. Chances are that they're making tens of millions of dollars a year doing what they do. So do you think that they have an incentive we look in some cases wealthy people like Warren Buffett, for instance, do want to pay more taxes. I don't wanna make generalization that rich people don't want to contribute more to society. But for the most part if people are making a ton of money and a marginal tax rate increase is going to negatively impact them where they perceive it as a negative impact. They're going to give you. You false information about what's really going on. So just know who you're getting your news from that's that is true. You know, if she is attacking her, I don't like that. But she played Guinan on Star Trek the next generation. So she's bought a lot of goodwill for me. Let alone sister act which. Appreciate someone's lifetime of work. You can really like someone and you can still disagree with them politically when it comes to I guess a lot of political issues at this point. I disagree with Whoopi Goldberg by just AFC proposes higher marginal tax rates, and like on cable TV, they don't generally like it how we're how weird on CNN. You get your news from a literal air on Fox News Tucker Carlson, illiberal air, these are people who have a special term for how much wealthier they are than we are. Exactly, Sean Hannity made thirty six million dollars last year. I wonder what his position on raising taxes is going to be. I'm sure he's a critically think about it and talked to some economists and see whether or not it raises government revenue versus. Yeah. You know, what lucky for you guys? You get to find out. What is views are in the second hour of the show. Exactly. We're going to talk about his response to AOC's proposed increase for marginal taxes, exactly and one more comment on that. So Frank sensitive member. Events saying she makes me want run for US Senate in twenty twenty of Frank run for use in twenty twenty more and more people should I mean, it worked out pretty well this cycle a lot of how many names are we talking about this show and yesterday that probably two years ago weren't even thinking about the possibility of running for office. And now, they're driving the conversation. It's been a long time since I've been inspired. And she inspires me. She makes me want to be a better person. So I'm grateful for that. I wanna be, but it seems really difficult. So instead, I'll just talk about how often they are. Okay. Great. Yeah. Okay. Let's jump back in the news. Well, Donald Trump is still considering. Declaring a national emergency, and thus extending this government shutdown. I mean, we've reached eighteen days. I think today the second longest in history. The people who have been sort of cast aside without pay during this eight hundred thousand federal government workers are now being forced to crowd fund for medicine and rent to make car payments for food. I mean that is sort of uniquely American thing to begin with that we we make people so dependent on the online charity of others. Well that is now had a bit of gasoline thrown on it. Because so many people suddenly receiving no pay. Yeah. Eight hundred thousand Americans have been furloughed and are working without a paycheck. Don't know when the paycheck will actually come and more than seven hundred accounts have been created on go fund me related to the shutdown. According to a spokeswoman for the company, I actually saw earlier today that number is now over one thousand and expect that every day that this shutdown continues, more and more people will have to do that or else. They will lose their cars. They will lose their apartments. God knows what else will end up happening to them and their families, and some of the people talking about this about you know, how willing these workers are to forego their pay are speaking of these workers in a variety of different incredibly, disrespectful fashion. So some people are saying that they're in this position because they re responsible. They should have thought about the possibility of there being shut down or whatever we'll return to that. I've heard is on Twitter. Unfortunately, jump in real quick, okay. Around seventy percent of federal workers are living paycheck to paycheck. We got don't even more. That's. I'm stepping on your lunch jar. But for anyone who makes that argument. Oh, well, you should have prepared for a government shutdown. The vast majority of these workers can are living paycheck to paycheck. They're barely making it. So just keep that in mind. Exactly. Well, Trump is also speaking about them in ways that are sort of disconnected from reality. So remember as we've video to over seven hundred perhaps over a thousand accounts on go fund me he wants you to believe that they're not only doing. Okay, they're enthusiastic about the position that they've been put into. I'm here. That's the people at are for the receiving end will make it just been. They always do. I think they will get adjustment. Because they wanna see the voter takin care. They'll make adjustment. People understand. Exactly what's going on. Those people are great Americans are great patriots. They wanna make sure we have a strong books, you know, government workers want to see the border taking care of it affects them very dearly. They love our country. And they wanna make sure that we have is strong voter. But many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck. Benny of those people agree one hundred percents with what I'm doing many of those people, maybe even most of those people that really have not been and will not be getting the money in at this moment. Those people in many cases are the biggest fan of what we're doing. Okay. So there is no actual polling to support that and to give of how little Donald Trump actually cares about that talking point, but he has been deploying over and over I can guarantee that among the eight hundred thousand workers some of them are Trump supporters. Some of them are Trump fanatics and probably don't really mind you could find two or three people like that do that. And then use their names pretend that you care about the way that you're lying to the American people. But they don't so from the president. They're perfect. Fine with this from go fund me. No, they need money to pay for their rent. So I wanna give you some what has been posted online by these people in trying to get money. I defense of these individuals because as we said some people are saying, well, they put themselves in bad economic positions. If a a month or two off of pay leaves them unable to to pay for their necessities. So you'll HANA Petrocelli. A NASA safety engineer says these aren't people who are irresponsible or having saved for emergencies or spend beyond their means. They're highly educated people to work at NASA people with PHD's and astrophysics from MIT flight controllers and astronauts safe day after day, there are also janitors administrative assistance facility, maintenance and security guards who work long hours for very little pay. So from the top to the bottom. These are people who were working fulltime jobs and did not expect that simply because Donald Trump got us hackles up over the border wall that they might end up getting kicked out of their apartments. But now. That is the position that they're in. So here are some of the experiences of those individuals. Julie birds a government worker says being a contract at government worker. I'm losing pay everyday that this government shutdown continues. I've taken on extra shifts at my second job, but it isn't going to pay rent and all my bills being a single mom. I'm in panic mode right now, if you'd like to help any donations or appreciated Jeffrey Davis and other worker says as you may know, we are in the middle of a government shutdown. How this personally affects me, and my family is that while I am still required to go to work like normal. I'm not currently receiving a paycheck. The president has already said he could go months or even a year under the shutdown until the shutdown ends each day funds are getting more and more tight and will eventually run out. And I will no longer be able to pay rent or utilities and buy food any amount. You're willing to donate will be greatly appreciated a Kanada Holt. Another worker says I am a single mom of six children who depend solely on me. As a veteran and federal employees by only income has been stopped due to the government shutdown. I've sought and exhausted all other resources, but they have not been enough to keep up with my bills or my children's needs. I am not sure when we will be able to return to work, and I'm merely asking for those who can to please help with a monetary donation of your choice, a mom and need. God bless Celia handled. One more TSA worker says it's starting to get scary still obligated to work, but not getting paid is not going to cut it for the Bill. Collectors right now, I'm sick. But as soon as I'm better, it's back to work. There was medicine doctor. Visit I need help. I don't think creditors will be compassionate to our plate. Please help me mortgage food electric gas the little things that we really take for granted when we were working and getting paid. I'm trying to contact creditors. But they aren't all that receptive. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of additional people who have already signed up on gofundme who had very similar experiences soon. In all likelihood, there are hundreds of thousands of others who might not sign up on go fund me, but are every bit as much in need of assistance. You know? It's pretty incredible. How effective the attempts to divide the country have been because the dysfunction of our government is now being blamed on the very workers who have due to fully show up to their jobs. They work full-time. They do everything that they need to do to be good members productive members of society. And they're somehow getting blamed for not preparing in advance for the dysfunction that we're now seeing within our government, we need to get back to a point where we actually had compassion empathy and love for our fellow Americans. These are good people who work hard, and they're unfortunately on. They got the short end of the stake. When it came to what's happening with this government shutdown. I mean that that story of the mother the single mother with six children, I can't even imagine. And again to reiterate seventy eight percent of these federal workers are are living paycheck to paycheck. So to argue that they're to blame that they didn't prepare enough for what's happening right now is complete and utter nonsense. It's so incredibly insulting it is. It is and to say that while they're suffering. They've really support me. They like what I am doing to them. They can't pay for their medicine, but they don't care because they wanna wall Trump is gonna Trump Trump is going to insult whoever. He needs to insult or put down whoever he needs to put down or lie about whoever he needs to lie about to get his point across to push his agenda. So anything he says doesn't surprise me at this point. But I just hope that Americans in general really understand what's going on right now. And they don't blame. I'm the federal workers for what they're going through that. They don't add insult to injury because these are people who need help right now. And the last thing they need is to be on the receiving end of insult and vitriol. Unfortunately, it appears it to some extent. That's what's going on here. And it's it's devastating. Exactly. Well, look at the last worker that we reference there was a worker. So why don't we transition to that part of this story? Shutdown that we are in is supposedly about a national emergency. Well, whether you believe that that is true or not whether that emergency actually exists, the shutdown itself has perched us on the precipice of national emergency that having to do with the safety of our airports and airplanes. And that is because about ten thousand air traffic controllers who worked for the Federal Aviation Administration at about fifty one thousand TSA administration. Officers have been told to keep working to keep reporting to work because they're deemed essential, but many as we've been talking about they're not getting paid. And so they're starting to call in sick. How long will they actually last how many days would you go to work at a job? There's a chance you probably didn't love going, regardless of the pay if you were no longer paid. Would you make it ten days fifteen days twenty days that you're working before you finally crack, here's the thing? People love to hate the TSA and airport security. They are there for a reason though wheth-. You like all of what they do. There are some concerns about security that we should care about. Now in terms of their commitment in a statement released earlier today or I should do. This was yesterday the American federation of government employees, which represents the workers warned that safety could take a big hit and transit hubs as a federal government shutdown drags into week three leaving staff without pay. So that big organization, which represents them worried about the long term impact and the council president for the TSA section of that organization said every damn getting calls from my members about their extreme financial hardships and need for a paycheck. Some of them have already quit and many are considering quitting the federal workforce. Because of the shutdown the loss of officers while we're already shorthanded will create a massive security risk for American travelers since we don't have enough trainees in the pipeline or the ability to process new hires. And I would say if they were already having trouble attracting enough applicants the prospect of starting job with no pay is probably going to hurt recruitment, even more. That's a great point. And. In an earlier story. We were talking about how the vast majority of these government workers are working jobs that unfortunately, don't pay enough to begin with they're living paycheck to paycheck. And so the people who were either quitting or calling in sick aren't just doing so to protests. They're doing it. So they can go work somewhere else and actually earn a paycheck to take care of their families. So think about that. I mean, what who would be willing to continue working for the federal government? When there is no solution in sight when the president argues that this shutdown could last months and even a year all over the border wall. Right. I know that if I had a family to take care of if I were the breadwinner in my family, the number one thing I would consider doing is calling in sick. I as long as I can. So I can go work somewhere else and earn some money to provide for my family. I mean what? What do lawmakers think that government workers are supposed to do? I don't really what is Trump think they're supposed to do more importantly because he's really the one holding these people hostage right now. Yes. And holding them hostage again as you said for the wall not for border security, right? Democrats. The party said they would give one point seven billion dollars for a number of different measures, many of which I think are probably a complete waste of money and the resources would be much better use somewhere else. But if that's what you care about they're willing to give it he's just not willing to take it without a wall. So let's let's talk about this a little bit more. We had the TSA that side of it, thankfully, the media is actually talking a little bit about it's the sort of obvious public part of airport and airplane safety. And when it starts to become an issue in the line start getting longer people notice that, but there are other concerns lurking in the background that aren't quite as obvious, but perhaps even more dire. And that has to do not with the TSA, but with the FAA and the safety of the actual airplanes themselves because while the people at the actual airport that we're talking about that are starting to call in sick are deemed essential. There are other people that are not including safety inspectors for the FAA now because they're not deemed essential. They're both not being paid and not working. So that does not mean that they're not showing up at the airports, and in some cases, some of them have shown up at a protested outside of the airports holding up signs talking about how essential. They are. I wanna show you a short video of one of these safety inspectors talking about how significant it is that they are not on the job reason, we're educating the public that because of the partial government shutdown the FAA safety inspectors have been non essential the American public is being affected because we're not on the job. So look at aviation state. We're not inspecting the pilots. We're not inspecting the airlines we're not expecting facilities. Days. Sometimes we find that thinks lip and mistakes happen, we have found planes that are flying unsafe and without without us on the job in this nobody to fulfill that function. This is out of control. This is out of control the whole argument in favor of this wall is that it's supposed to keep Americans safe because there's all this fearmongering and nonsense going on about how you know, these asylum seekers, most of whom are women and children are somehow going to rape and murder Americans. Now again, that's complete and utter lives coming from the president of the United States. He will use anecdotal evidence of undocumented immigrants in the United States who have committed crimes in order to bolster his claims. Right. But what he's doing right now actually leads to an unsafe situation for how many Americans travel on planes on a daily basis. So this is out of control is out of control. He's a child he's a child, and the fact that people still support him after all of this is unbelievable to me. Yeah. Yeah. Over a trumped up national emergency, and they're willing to create actual ones as a result of it. I'm not of the pinion that there's never been a justifiable government shutdown. There are things we're fighting over I'll be asleep. This is not an especially to have the second longest government shutdown ever for complete BS. And allowing all of these other things the fall by the wayside. That is truly scary. I will go to two zero because my goal is not so scary about this. But there's there's a ton of don't know about planes or airports or air travel all that. But I was speaking with our co worker Edwin, and he was talking about how this FA safety inspection process, actually works. If you believe that let's say tomorrow, they end the shutdown. Oh, good. Everything's cured. They go back to work and everything's fine. That's not actually how it works. The stuff. That's being missed right now. Hypothetically will not be checked once they come back, and it might not immediately cause the problem, but in a year or two or three years it might and so we might end up having some sort of tragic accident years from now caused by the Trump shut down and. We will have no idea his hands will be clean at least technically. But the actual threat is still out there. Yeah. So just to give you guys some background Edwin worked for a major airline company here in the US. So he has a lot of insight into how these safety regulations said that sorry. No, no. I just wanna make sure you guys know, it's not just some random person who told us work and someone who actually has firsthand experience with it. I assume you know, who win is. I know. Edwin is jack-of-all-trades stage manages here in TY T. But he also for very long time worked for a major airline company. And so this is terrifying. This this is really terrifying. And it's kind of incredible that these inspectors are not considered essential government workers. I don't think they know what the word. Essential means, right? Yeah. Get why don't we take our second break when we come back a little bit of good news for you. Once again as was the case yesterday coming out of New York City after this. We hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more exclusive content while supporting independent media become a member TY T dot com slash joined today. In the meantime, enjoy this free segment. Okay. Just a little bit more time in the first hour for you. But I do want to read a couple of comments. I member comment. I mostly want to read this because of the name I just want to say it sartorial NAR. Wall says tell me Trump will have to make an adjustment. When Muller comes knocking that perhaps? We'll see let's see onto IT live banks teric said I can't imagine making thirty six million dollars in one year and not thinking. Yeah, I don't actually need all this money. But then he did thing. They all do think they need the money. Which is why you're not supposed to say it this way, they go insane. I had it is a kind of a diction. So look, obviously, it's one thing to be in the financial situation that you're currently in and think that you're going to act a certain way, if you become wealthy, but I have I have fantasies about what I would do if I made that kind of money right because like nothing feels better. Better than helping someone in need like knowing that you have the ability to really change someone's life. So being able to create a scholarship fund, so many awesome things you can do. And then you have the wealthy in this country. Who are like no can't meet my precious rewatch. Not only did she watch the movie, but it's gotten in there. Yeah. Yeah. I I don't want to spook this Addy. I hope this continues like the idea of being able to change someone's life for the better. Like, you have the power to do that. And you want to do the exact opposite. As I said on Twitter, if I had the money, I would open up a board game cafe it'd be done everything about politics. Of course, he went. That's also true and tie Johnston sensitive super chat, saying what are the odds that the shutdown hurts the stock market and brings us closer to a recession or crash. The odds seemed good the thing that we have working in the stock market's favor is that in many ways has absolutely nothing to do with the actual economy. So it might be insulated from it. But there are a lot of businesses that will not be able to get government back to loans during this time that could hurt the stock market is pathetically. Yeah. There's a lot of concern about how this will impact the economy. It hasn't yet. So some investors are finicky right now. But they haven't really started selling their shares. There was a lot more concern about trade negotiations, and it appears that trade negotiations which high no. Anna. Will yield some better results. I don't know what the results are yet. Neither do investors. So the stocks the stock market's been doing pretty well over over this past week. Yeah. I want to say one more thing. I know that we've got to move on. But I happened to see a guy that the coastguard had sent out to its officers who, you know, as with many, others are not receiving pay things you can do during the shutdown. They were told to do garage sales so sell their belongings. And then there was other things like that. But I would argue are pretty insulting that these people full grown adults with full grown careers would have to do. But there was also stuff about the long term effects of it. And the thing is I am sure. Trump, and Sean Hannity and all those others, and they're once thought about this. They think. The poor the peasants still hurt for a little bit. But they'll eventually get their pay no harm done. That's not how it works. When you don't make millions of dollars. These People's Credit is likely to be shredded by this experience when they when they can't pay certain bills when they get kicked out of their apartment when their car gets repossessed. That is not something that economically simply wiped clean when Chuck and John junior or Donald Trump, shake hands. Their credit is going to be ruined for a long time. Which means they're going to have to pay more for all these necessities in the future. If they had ideas of getting a home, they might have to say goodbye to that possibility if they wanted to start a business, well, perhaps not oh my God. Imagine if you're living in a rent controlled apartment, and you get a victim. I mean, there's all sorts of ripple effects my God. Anyway, let's turn to we're gonna end on on a slightly positive story. New York City mayor Bill de Blasio has introduced legislation earlier today that would four I believe the. First time in US history guarantee, paid vacation of the people living in a particular city of of course, that city is New York City that's only its power over the legislation would extend paid leads to two hundred thousand workers in the hotel and food industries one hundred eight thousand workers in professional and business services and ninety thousand workers in retail. According to the mayor's office all told five hundred thousand workers in New York City who do not currently have any right or ability to access paid leave could get it. If this actually becomes law. Those companies would be required to grant at least two weeks off a fulltime workers and paid time off for part time workers as well. It would give employees the ability to gradually accrue paid time off amounting to ten days over a year. So depending on ten days fourteen days, depending on the position how long you've been there. So let me just start off by saying that all of these proposals coming from Bill de Blasios or great yesterday. We covered a story about how he wants to provide health care for every New Yorker, and that's great as well. But also he's flirting with a running for president in two thousand twenty he hasn't announced yet or anything like that. But all of a sudden he's like Oprah when she gave away cars to her audience. Right. It's like you get healthcare, and you get paid time off like it's a mazing how these very real and important issues don't really seem to matter to some of our leaders until it could benefit them and their chances of getting something that they want know, maybe I'm being unfair to build a Blasi. Oh, but he's had the opportunity to do this for a while. Now, I'm glad he finally got around to it. I wish it came a little sooner build the buzzer design the perfect reputation, but he has a little bit more historic call that this is not totally out of the norm for him than some do. Sure. Yeah. Look, and maybe I'm being too unfair to him. But I also want to be honest with the audience, you know, again, I applaud him for doing what he's doing. But it is also important to know what the. Intentions are. That's true. But I will say let's say that you're one hundred percent, right. Let's say there's just pragmatic. I mean, the the thing we talked about yesterday's is largely in his direct control to be able to do this. When asked that passed legislature is a little more complicated. But there are different ways of like I want to run for president. What am I going to do? There's this propose actual worker focused progressive changes historic changes will break down. And then there's like Jila, and apparently was going and talking to people on Wall Street and seeing if they're interested in her potentially running or you know, there's all the billionaires saying I could sell fun by campaign. Isn't that awesome? Okay. That's awesome. That you're rich that is really do much for me or working class Americans. So of the different models. I like this one I'll take it apps. And and there's also the possibility that actually believes that, but I just do want to point out a no US city or state requires paid time off for workers while Puerto Rico does require employers to pay for time off the law. Aw would exempt firms with fewer than five employees from the requirement. But again, if this passes, it will be historic and hopefully as with fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage once you get set up in certain important cities, then it can start to spread that is. Of course, the hope and by the way, there are at least twenty countries around the world that do mandate at least ten days of paid vacation some have higher thresholds as well. It's weird. I thought America was number one weird. It's weird. How all these other countries somehow managed to take care of their citizens more than the United States does weird. It is worth it is if we're not number one almost and some people I'm going to send Ken clip inside. By the way, right like when you point out flaws in this country because you love this country, and you want it to do better you want the lawmakers to do better you want to take care of your fellow Americans and make sure that they have a better quality of life. And for some reason pointing that out offends people, but you sound like a person hates America. Well, right now, I would say that I hate America. But right, now, America's deeply deeply deeply flawed. And I think that it makes you more patriotic to point to those flaws and one to find solutions for them because what's more patriotic pretending that this country's perfect while Americans suffer or factually pointing out the flaws and trying to find solutions for them. But, but we certainly agree with you. Obviously we have used that model for a while now. So maybe we can keep going. I don't know. I just want to briefly mentioned we're on a tangent. But I want to mention I remember it was from one of Al Franken's books years and years and years ago, I read it, and he talked about the ways that liberals and conservatives love America need a great analogy for it. He said liberal liberals love America conservatives love America. Like you. Love your mom, but at different stages of your life conservatives love America, the way child loves their mother. Their mother is perfect and virtuous and beautiful. And how dare you insult their mother? Whereas liberals love America the way grown kids love their parents. They realized that their dad used to be an alcoholic and their moms kind of racist. And you wanna make them a little bit better. So you nudge them in the right direction. Doesn't mean you'll love him. But you see them accurately you see them for who. They really are. So Al Franken. Good job there that was you messed up after. Yeah. He did a good job. Yeah. Earlier. That's a great description. Yeah. I probably bungled it, by the way. I'll try to track down the actual thing. Anyway, that's more than all the time. We have the first hour. I was fine. Let's do more that once. We all do it more. We're going to do it tomorrow. There you go, and we're gonna take a break and then second hour. Yes. I had Rigas and Brett Erlich will be joining me for our two. We're gonna talk about a wide variety of topics today. As I mentioned earlier, we will talk about what's happening with millennials and their finances. Things are looking pretty grim just giving you a little spoiler alert there and later on we will talk about Sean Hannity who earns thirty six million dollars a year complaining about paying a little more in taxes. We'll see if that.
2020 Census Starts In Remote Alaskan Villages; VA Smoking Ban
"From NPR and WBZ. I'm Robin Young. I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now. The third presidential impeachment trial in American history begins to unfold in the US. Senate Senate today president. Donald trump faces two articles of impeachment abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. Both articles are related to his July phone call with the president of Ukraine in which trump asked for an investigation into potential twenty twenty rival. Joe Biden today's session is going to focus on the rules for the trial. How it will be conducted the house managers or the prosecutors and members of president? Trump's defense team will debate the various proposals Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell wants a condensed trial but there have been objections objections to his plan. For twelve hour. Sessions some senators saying at their age. They can't sit that long and when it comes to witnesses and evidence Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer. Mr Blasts McConnell's plan and says Democrats will offer amendments let's bring in Julian Salazar professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University Julian. Hi Nice to with the Nice to have you here. And what are your thoughts as we come to you on yet another historic day. Well it comes after an evening Where senator McConnell made made it very clear that he wants to try to contain this as much as possible that he's not going to replicate the exact rules of the Clinton impeachment trial in nineteen ninety? Nine and Democrats are finding themselves fighting to have as much of a trial as possible so he kind of laid down the law before this it's even began. Jerry Nadler the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee or the ranking member. The Chairman Chairman. Now he said today that the focus on the rules for the Clinton trial is kind of relevant Because this is a different trial and it's a new trial and McConnell shouldn't be saying we've got to do everything like the Clinton trial well. It's true I I think what McConnell says is usually some kind of justification to maintain partisan power. We always have to start with that basis. I'm not sure he was genuinely committed to recreating the Clinton trial. I think that was a way to already limit Whether there would be witnesses and how long this would go on The most notable difference his that in nineteen ninety nine Trent Lott who is the Republican leader and And Tom Daschle. Who is the Democratic Arctic leader? At this point we're working together behind the scenes to make. This is bipartisan and orderly as possible today. I doubt that's happening between McConnell and Chuck Schumer we'll and when you say you know the difference between then and now a lot of people may not know what we're talking about in the Clinton era hadn't almost all of the witnesses already gone before the house impeachment inquiry in other words the difference today. Is that some of the major people in the room. When it happened you know the phone call at Cetera? We're not allowed to testify. That's right Back with Bill. Clinton there had been Extensive investigation by an independent prosecutor named Ken Starr. That report had been public blick. We had lots of testimony. We had lots of documentation. That was all out there. And even though the president opposed the impeachment process I says he didn't totally obstruct and we've had a much more aggressive approach without the independent prosecutor so so we just have less information. Ah just take a look back just a little further. We don't WanNA spend all the time in the past. But you mentioned Ken Starr's investigation the Ken Starr report. This was when Ken Starr was was an independent counsel and he began by investigating the Clintons Investments Swell in Arkansas. In real estate it was called the Whitewater scandal but he couldn't find any any charges against the Clinton Clinton that and then widened his investigation with the Okay of Clinton's Ag Janet Reno into claims the Clintons fired travel agents the claims of abuse of F. B. I. Files then. There was a lawsuit claim that Clinton sexually harassed a woman named Paula Jones and then another woman named Linda. TRIPP REP contacted star. This is going on over a long period of time to tell her about an interim named Monica Lewinsky. Bill Clinton lied. He said he didn't have relations with her and he did did so. His impeachment was because he lied after all of these investigations into other things. Nothing stuck you could say that president trump I'm kind of avoided that because he never testified. Now that's that's true I mean in the heart of the Clinton impeachment was was a An offense that many people acknowledged but didn't think was worthy of of impeachment of removing the president. In this case the president president hasn't been forced to testify but he said things that don't accord with everything we know so he's been caught not telling the truth not in a court of law not in an official capacity but in this case. It's not the lie so much as what he actually did. It's the substance of how he used foreign policy. That's at issue and I think that's why many Democrats and some Republicans quietly think it's more serious of an accusation in terms of using presidential power in an aggressive and abusive fashion Julian. Do the Democrats have any power here to get what they are asking for. They basically want to have first of all not twelve hour days in the trial. They want to have witnesses called and they want to have more documents provided By the White House do they have any power at this point to get what they want because it does does seem even when you look at some of these. Moderate Republicans like Mitt Romney. And what they're saying. It sounds like they're gonNA vote along with Mitch McConnell right now so far last tonight. Romney already made that clear that he satisfied with what McConnell is doing. They don't have a lot of power. The only power they have right now is public sentiment and public pressure and if that pressure increases on those Republicans the Republicans need fifty one votes for the rules in. That's the only thing that can really really break it at this point. It's not look as if they're changed worth pointing out that it was one hundred two zero on the rules back in the Clinton management and could I just ask do is is the power that they have maybe Hunter Biden. I mean if the Democrats were to say okay we will give you. Hunter Biden Joe Biden. If you will give us all of these other witnesses well they could and and I think some Democrats would they wouldn't love to have hunter Biden testify. They think it's ridiculous because it has nothing to do With the charge of how the president used his power. But they'd be willing to do that. In exchange for high level officials like John Bolton who who theoretically would be willing to say that the president misused his authority but again there's also there's the time line I mean Both parties have incentives. have to keep this somewhat constrained for senators are looking very anxiously at the clock right now. Well let's talk about that because this is the first time that there has been an impeachment impeachment trial in an election year and the senators. You're talking about are the senators who are running for president. What does it mean for the Presidential Lynch campaign? Do you think that these senators are going to be kept off the trail leading up to the Iowa caucuses and even the fact that this trial is going on as people are starting to think about about who. They'll vote for November well for the Democrats as a party. I think this is relevant. I think the revelations that have come forward the polls we keep you've seen that upwards of fifty one percent think a sitting president should be removed from office that's pretty stunning From the perspective of presidential history. That's all going to matter matter. Come November to twenty. This will be part of what people are. Judging in terms of do they want a second trump term in terms of the immediate future. Though you know senator former Vice President Biden Pete Buddha judge they have an open field right now in Iowa and for someone like Senator Clova Char. This could be pretty devastating not to beyond the ground in the next couple of weeks just to underscore what you just said Julian because when you say fifty one percent of the American Public WanNa have They're sitting president removed. That's pretty incredible. Comparatively is it because people I mean would you elaborate on that because people would say let people might be astonished. There are people who would be astonished. DARNEST fifty percent of Americans don't want Donald Trump removed after some of the actions. He's taken but you think that this is historic sure this. This is a very high part of the population. The pulse of fluctuated but they've been between forty five percent to a majority and even if many people naturally naturally don't want a president remove that is the default position for most Americans. What's more striking to me is? How many are willing to say yes? He deserves that and that it says a lot about how people see the character of this president. The president is in Switzerland today as this trial gets underway in Davos at the World Ecconomic Forum and he spoke today. Let's listen when I spoke at this forum. Two years ago I told you that we had launched the great American Comeback Today. I'm proud to clear that the United States is in the midst of an economic boom. The likes of which the world it has never seen before. Julian what does it mean that. The president is overseas. Is he trying to show that he's just doing business. As usual. Not Paying attention and remind us is what Clinton did during his trial. Yeah I mean he he. Well Clinton did try to show. It was business as usual. He was very explicit talking about the fact he would govern while the Senate conducted this trial. I don't know if president trump going overseas boasting about the economy will mean we'll see business as usual usual. I doubt it. I'm sure we're going to see tweets. I'm sure we're going to see statements. The president can't help but undercutting his own message on the economy. So I think it will be a very different different kind of trajectory Jillian. Everybody's done the math over and over again and you know many Americans are saying why should even watch this. Because I know the outcome I know that the Republicans are going to try to drive it through. The Democrats. Don't have the votes or the power to do anything to change where this is probably going rolling. Why should we watch? What are you watching for or listens? Not Look it's not just about the outcome for the president's about the substance of what's revealed so like like the hearings in the house. The record matters in the way in which the president has conducted himself and threats that might exist are serious if if if they are proven to be true and I think all Americans should be attuned to this and I think it's worth watching how the parties react to what is revealed this says a lot about Senate Republicans not simply about the president. Julian sellers were thank you. Thanks for having me in. The world is complicated implicated but knowing that can help us understand it so much better. That's where we come in I'm Rhonda I'm running out of Louis and we're the host through line. NPR's NPR's history podcast every week. We'll dig into forgotten stories from the moments that shaped our world through live from NPR. Listen and subscribe now. Twenty twenty is shaping up to be a great year for rapper and actress. aquafina okay. She didn't get an Oscar nomination for her role in the farewell but she won the Golden Globe for Best Actress for that role. How does that happen and this week? She debuts a new show on the comedy channel Aquafina is nor up from Queens. It's based on her own in life for given name. Is Nora Lum. Let's back up. AQUAFINA had a breakout video in two thousand twelve. It extolled her lady part. I'm not sure we can even play any of it. Then she had another breakout year in two thousand eighteen with comic roles like Paik Lynn. The over the top best friend in crazy rich Asians who makes her first appearance bursting from a mansion attention to greet her friend. Rachel played by Constance Wu. You look amazing number change. I know in the farewell. There are laughs and tears aquafina plays billy a chinese-born girl raised in New York by parents. Who thought it was the best thing to do for her to bring her to the states and then they think they're doing the right thing by traveling? Travelling back to China for a remarkable ruse the entire extended family will gather for a hastily thrown together. Wedding a guys together around Bitlis beloved grandmother nine nine who doesn't know she has cancer and maybe weeks to live in this scene back in New York. Billy's father played by ty Ma tells her the plan. Dan Family thinks it's better not to tell so. You can't see anything I understand. She didn't have a lot of time left. She should know right. There's nothing you can do to. Who went to side? It's better not to tell. And what's remarkable. This all really happened. The Farewell L. is from writer director. Lulu Wong it's based on her family. You probably heard her story. On this American Life we spoke with the film's Star when it first opened and began by asking. If she preferred Aquafina or Nora. You can call me either. It's really your call or is it. Just call me that. Please tell us a little bit about yourself because I understand. Your Dad was chinese-american. Your Mom Korean and you're playing a character who's going back to China after spending spending years in New York that must've just resonated for you. Oh yeah a lot of things resonated for me in this movie. I think the biggest one is my relationship with my grandma I was raised by her. My mom who was Korean past when I was four I was raised by my paternal grandma and She was Chinese. And so when I got the script it resonated in a lot of ways. Yeah and for me personally. It was a definitely a departure from a lot of my past roles else but a lot of that had to do with actually confronting things you know like for for the first time in my life this role caused me to preemptively confront the death of my own grandma which I've always thought about and I think he taught me to be vulnerable in ways that I really haven't been what tension for you because here you are. You're playing a character WHO's not allowed to share these feelings of grief with this beautiful Chinese actress. Who Plays Your grandmother and meanwhile you are? You just told us you're struggling to maybe feel some grief about your real grandmother. Yeah Yeah exactly. It stifled a bit You know a billion is obviously loosely based on that actually happened to Lulu and but Lulu was never like I want her played this way. Study me it was never that and there is me the in there. But it's a role that eventually came to be like a vessel for the Asian American experience. Because a lot of people have to do this when you when you see a family in this your family early in this context you have to make the decision whether to greet them with sadness or degree them with joy it always is like a matter of like how different families deal with grief. Everyone does it in their own way but it also for billy. It is a period of growth for her because she goes back to learn that her way is not the right way. Always you said as a child when your mom for pasture the little one and you became a fixture of sorrow you know almost a totem family members would come up to you and cry and you don't like then maybe that's part of why you began to turn toward comedy. You wanted some joy your character travels from New York to China where the entire sensibility lady about death is. We're not going to talk about it. WE'VE TALKED TO AUTHOR GIFT Jan about East West cultural differences. She says Americans place emphasis on the development. The individual Asian see themselves in relation to the society. There's almost that exact conversation from the person pleasure uncle in the film. Yeah it stems from from wanting to to literally take burn. That shouldn't belong to someone that you love and it also stems from this concept called filial piety which is like you never hear unless it's in the context of like East Asian culture and it is just this undying respect for your elders for your ancestors. It's something that Asian American people have but along with that they also have elements of resentment and obviously guilt. Well what's your uncle says to you is you want and your character does really very much want to tell l.. Your grandmother shouldn't she no she should know she doesn't have much time and he says that's to make you feel better. We're taking on the burden of knowing so that she doesn't have to know so we're we're gonNA feel worse but that's the way it goes and by the way I should say. This is a very heavy subject. But it's hilarious article. Yeah what was it like for are you there. I mean because your character speaks of. I don't know who I am and I you know I don't know where I belong and am I speaking correctly. How about you? Yeah my my Chinese not perfect like I did not grow up in a Chinese speaking household but at the same time there is a very personal journey that occurs when you are Asian American Eric in this country and you go back to Asia. You always feel like you're an outsider in America but when you go there you really understand how much of an outsider you are yet what you have history there and you can't forget that as an actor that happened for me but I think that also I know what it's like to go and meet someone a family members that may live in another country that you can't communicate with but the love is there and like trying to make them laugh and stuff like that and I think that's what billy's trip was trying to convey the joy that you feel when you when you see your family and maybe you can communicate with them properly but you still feel the love. I just want to detour for a second. Because we mentioned your career prior to this film including your twenty twelve viral video. I I want you to say it at some point about your lady part. Yes four point. Five million views women throwing down about another comparing during her was just listened to little bows J.. Lo Vashon James Lipton. It's on a mental just a have. PBS what were you thinking. Man You know there was a song that add a similar title that it was actually a cover of a parody of I should say about male part right and it was a simple question of why don't women women have one and so. That's what. I don't know what I was thinking. Well I was kind of thinking about your new film Again the farewell it kind of debunks the myth of the submissive Asian woman because. Here's this strong grandmother. The matriarch of the family. You said your grandma became the matriarch of yours strong somewhat vulgar. At times you know issue. Yeah well and I'm wondering if doing something like that. Video was about throwing off some of those expectations of Asian women. Yeah I think I think that at that time a not a lot of Asian women presented themselves in that way and very quickly after that I was told various things like I was very brave. You know like wow you must wanNA confidence. But that's that's true. I think that I've always found truth and being shameless. I think that we're taught You know actual asian-americans of the ones who grew up in this country. I think that we all grow up with very strong wrong matriarchs and and I grew up with one and that stereotype that example of WHO. We actually grew up with influences more people than like who were fed in virtual portrayed in the media and my grandma always nurtured like what part of people would would label weird. She told me that was the best part. And since I was like a very the young child so she always believed in me and I think that if she didn't see let me like explore that that aspect of my personality aquafina would never have have been formed. Look at maybe doing a role or a video in defiance of an expectation of you but then there's also a burden to get it right. Of course. Yeah we do as asian-americans owes something back to our community not in a way that it's like if we make something great and it blows up in the box office but morally right and I think that if we're given right now in twenty nine thousand the platform to tell our stories let's do so with truth with authenticity and also also with being uniquely ourselves because we're not all the same and we have different stories. We come from different places and so I think that there is always. He's going to be that responsibility. Because there's just not that much well and on the other hand I should say that while there's something very specific to the Chinese culture this idea of throwing a huge wedding. Just you know. Say Goodbye to grandma without telling her that she has a terminal illness. That may be specific but I wept. There's there's so much truth no matter what race you are what you are. You will connect to this because it's we all experience loss and we all experienced love love whether it's a grandma or family you know we know what that's like and we know what it's like to lose there is an image and to me. It's one of the saddest images in the world. No matter where it is the receding image of an elder from the back of the cars. You drive away killer a wrecker and we're not going to give away the ending except to to say there will be a snap back just before the credits. There will be Uncle Gina. Thank you so much. Thank you Robin Robin. This is lovely. You the Farewell Star Aquafina speaking with US last July the farewell is available on DVD and streaming her new comedy Channel Show. AQUAFINA is Nora from Queens debuts tomorrow the Veterans Administration has now banned smoking at all of its medical facilities eliminating the designated smoking areas at hospitals and clinics. The change went into effect for patients and visitors back in October. As of this month the ban also extends to employee's for some. It has been a difficult transition. Stephanie Columbine WSF REPORTS FOR THE AMERICAN Home Front Project Seventy year old air force veteran Ronald West sits in his wheelchair just outside the fence that encloses the Tampa va hospital grounds announce. It's a Cold Day for Florida. So He's wearing a sweatshirt a winter hat and has wrapped in a blanket. He lights up a newport cigarette his second since since willing himself out of his hospital room for smoke west is being treated for spinal cord injury and he says he comes out here a few times a day since he's no longer allowed to smoke. Oh come property. You're actually sucks Disney smokin areas. That's what the veterans and human too with now. No Smoking on campus car. West isn't alone on the sidewalk. The hospital fancies lined with smokers. Most sporting employee badges Ajez wearing Scrubs plus humor patients army veteran Tom Rogers comes to the. Va for his lung disease and other medical needs. He was angry to find out about the smoke free policy. We gotTA lives in Vietnam over fifty years ago and they have a cigarette. Patients aren't the only ones griping raping the. Va announced earlier. This year that the band would also apply to staff the American Federation of Government Employees Filed a grievance saying it violates a union alien contract that allows workers to smoke in designated areas. The issue was not everyone was sticking to those areas. According to Dr Don Johnson she promote smoking cessation at the tamp. Va We had a lot of problems for patients. We'd be walking in to their medical appointments and would have to walk through people. Smoking replacing smoking areas are signs throughout the campus informing people about the change eventually. Va Hospitals will enforce the policy with citations nations and fines. But many like Tampa's are taking time to educate I. Some of our patients only come here once a year. And if they didn't hear about it we he can hold them responsible for it. Thousands of other healthcare facilities have already banned smoking and research shows. It improves public health. Still Smoking Smoking has long been connected with military culture. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says more than a third of veterans started using tobacco after they entered the service although less than fifteen percent who used the. Va smoke now. Bettering Calling Danielson was already smoking before she joined the Marines in the eighties but says it was is a huge part of her life. I used it. I thought a stress management in the marines. We we we got a few extra breaks for you know when we I smoked outside a little bit. More Danielson quit cold Turkey years ago. Now she's A. Va Peer Support specialist. Who helps other vets quit the? Va also offers counseling. A help line and nicotine replacement products like patches and gum rules taking care L.. You know house workers in Tampa say. They're not asking every to quit smoking. Just do it on the other side of the fence for here and now I'm Stephanie. Columbine the two thousand twenty census officially kicks off today in took bay a small fishing village in Far Western Alaska on the Bering Sea since his workers are gathering gathering there equipped with Parkas and smartphones. Ready to knock on doors and take demographic information tonight but when the rest of us get canvassed we can do it online. In fact this'll be the first. US Census that will be conducted primarily online. And it comes. After a month long attempt by the trump administration to add a citizenship question to the census an attempt that failed we'll also took bay waiting eagerly for the first person to take the census is NPR's hunt along Hansie remind us why does the Census S. is beginning this remote village. Well this is a tradition that goes back to the nineteen sixty cents is. That's the first one that was conducted in the US. After Alaska Alaska became a state in one thousand nine fifty nine and the reason for that is because the Census Bureau realize that in the remote parts of Alaska January. Harry is the time to go to try to visit households because that is when the ground is still frozen and that means there are multiple modes of transportation. You can take a dog sled snow machine then also. It's a time when a lot of these communities which are subsistence communities that rely on seasonal seasonal hunting and gathering traditions and maybe moving around different areas. Once the weather gets warmer the wintertime January. That's when folks are are still in their communities and makes it easier to find them into them enough fascinating and this. This sense is going to travel to different remote parts of the US but for instance the senses not starting today even in Anchorage. It doesn't start in the rest of the country till mid-march exactly march twelfth is when most households households in the country are expected to receive a letter from the US Census Bureau with instructions on how to participate somehow skills get a paper form. Most households will only get instructions to go online or to dial one eight hundred number to participate. Yeah and so. What are people there telling you about this spotlight? That is on them. It's quite a moment for took bay. I think it's safe to say most folks. I never dreamed that this would happen. Most folks for an even Really familiar with this idea of being the first community unity counted or at a Have to be selected from their community to be the first person counted and Talk to be trouble. Administrator Took Bay Child Minister of the New Narcotic Traditional National Council which governs the new coq. Meet trial took Robert Petka and listen to what he said. What's taking place is so important for all the communities throw Alaska and throughout the nation because there is so many needs? We need bigger school. Our school is overcrowded. It's not just but I'm searching all religious and shovel administrator Robert Picker Yeah. He told me that he hoped that conducting the census and making making sure there's an accurate count will ultimately lead to the community getting a greater share of the more than estimated one point five trillion dollars in federal funding a year then gets distributed based on census numbers the federal funding for health care for roads for schools public public services. Well you know it is hard to overstate the importance of the census. It determines representation in Congress as you say funding. I mean this is. It's it's very important exactly even though it is a very under the radar constitutional mandate required by the Constitution. Every ten years account of every person living in the country if forms how local local representation of it will funding are distributed but also really sets the reality that everyone living in the United States will be living under because even businesses rely on this information to determine for example where to open new supermarkets. Yeah well and as you say everyone living in the United States that's the key to the census and that's why the controversy over whether or not there would be a citizenship question kind of rocked. The Census Bureau so much people were worried that if people were concerned about their citizenship status Addis. They wouldn't respond and it isn't about people who are citizens it's about people are living here. So how have they recovered. If that's the right word from all that controversy it it was a really major major controversy again to be very clear there will not be a citizenship question on the twenty twenty cents is forms. Because is that question has been permanently blocked from twenty two thousand forms by three federal courts and the US Supreme Court has upheld lower court rulings in part because if found that the trump administration's nations reasoning for why one it white said it wanted to add this question to Supposedly better enforce the Voting Rights Act. That was found by multiple the federal judges to be essentially a sham justification. And at this point the Census Bureau is trying to it. It's best to move forward because it's research research has shown that this is a particularly sensitive question to groups that have been historically undercounted including immigrant communities Latino Communities Asian Americans arrogance and this is why you say the census spent what a half billion dollars on an ad campaign directed to those groups. This is an ad campaign that actually trying to reach the the entire country but also have to specific focused messages to historically undercounted groups including communities of color and trying to encourage people to to participate in the census also to increase awareness about the census. But what I've heard from census advocates that what actually is the most effective tool to encourage people to become aware and to participate is to hear it from a local community leader. A trusted person. Those are the most effective ways and the big question is is that in. This current is local climate and a lot of fear about how the census information could be misused by the trump administration. Even though federal law prohibits the Census Bureau and Leasing data identifying individuals until seventy two years after its collected. The question is will people trust them. Nistration will hold those laws. That's interesting can't release any this material for seventy only two years and yet as you say. Because of the whole controversy over you know whether or not the question was going to be added before the courts ruled some people may still think it's in there so that word S. to get out Census Questionnaires are made available in thirteen languages. But back to where you are in Alaska do they. They have indigenous languages there and are they on the form. The forms are not available in any Alaska native languages. There's also only one. The American Indian language the forms are available. And that's Navajo. And the reason for that is the Census Bureau. This time around came up with a very specific standard entered policy and they focused on nine English languages spoken in around sixty thousand or more households with limited English skills and that was the cutoff and because of that a lot of languages spoken by a smaller sized populations including a number of Southeast Asian languages. Those are not been included looted and have raised concerns among sense advocates that in the groups that are historically undercounted that having as many language resources would be the ideal situation situation but it is a matter of choice and deciding how to best use the limited resources. The Census Bureau has so haunted along there. You weren't took bay. I love saying saying that. Can you take one second. What does it feel like? What what are you seeing? It's a small fishing village. And what you see is a lot of white whitestone on on the ground obviously because it is Alaska in January but also a couple of days here have been so cloudy. The Sky is also very white and so you just feel like walking around yours enveloped in white. And then you see these really brightly colored houses and in Bright Blues and yellows and Greens sticking out from the white snow Their small ranch style homes and You have power lines Draping overhead. And as you get closer to the beach which just looks like a a snowfield because it's all covered and the bay is frozen over. There are some boats lying around sticking out outside the snow and it just looks like a really really charming seaside town. Well sounds wonderful and and I know that you are also anticipating the very first person now are people in this town dreading that or excited about who might be the very first person who is asked questions on the census. There's a lot of emotions going gone. I think this is Again a small town last time in two thousand. Ten Census Bureau counted five hundred ninety people living here and took Suck Bay. We're not sure how many people orval be counted on today and so they're not used to having so many visitors all at once including journalists ourselves. Were camping out here at the school in classrooms classrooms because there's no hotel restaurants This is really just for people who live here and so the first person to be counted We visited with her Lizzie. COMMU ACC and she is preparing to receive Census Bureau officials who are home to conduct this count in private because of the privacy restrictions but it will be a very tight fit if a lot of census bureau workers are are inside the home ready to gather information. Well it sounds like a wonderful thing thing for Lizzie. But also something that they might dread there. NPR's Hansie. Long from folks up there in Alaska as the first person gets ready to the asked questions for the twenty twenty census. Thank you so much. You're very welcome rather well. President trump is far away from Washington today as the impeachment trial begins in the Senate. He's in Davos Switzerland at the World Economic Forum's annual meeting today. He gave a speech touting the strong U. S. economy years of economic stagnation have given way to a roaring geyser of opportunity. US stock market. Kids have soared by more than fifty percent since my election adding more than nine thousand nine hundred trillion dollars to household wealth and boosting hosting 401K's pensions in college savings accounts for millions of hardworking families. Joining us now from Davos. Is Tom. KEENE host of Bloomberg Bloomberg surveillance. Tom Welcome. It's great to have you back. Jeremy Wonderful to be with you. How has president trump and received their dubs fascinating and very very different than the previous visit? He came here with a little less HOOPLA clearly in the Congress Center. There wasn't the uproar of his celebration in after election and also fascinating. I thought Jeremy was the speech here. There was a real belief he would in some way turn. Global speech sounded like a speech. You could give in Charlotte August of this year. What do you mean by that? Well you know. Sounds like a domestic speech that he would give at the Republican convention mentioned victory lap of all of his attainments and that only late in the speech to really pay any damage to the global elites here talking about Europe. One of the other people who've gotten a lot of attention today giving a speech there at Davos is the climate change teen activist credit tune. Berg who spoken She she pointed out to world leaders that they're all about to fail in their commitments that they made in the Paris climate agreement but no one seems to care. She says here she is any plan or policy of yours that doesn't include radical emission cuts at the source. Starting today is completely insufficient sufficient for meeting the one point five or well below two degree commitments of the Paris agreements. How was that speech received their it? It was received differently than it would have been received a year ago and it was received with an incredible intensity of listening this places aces been humbled Jeremy over the last number of years where climate change global warming is an issue. Is something to worry about Out No question about that but far more than that is the new of global warming. It's the key difference at this Davos and she was listened to most most carefully and are the business leaders ready to take action in a way that they have in the past on climate change. That's something that they can do. Well we'll see about that. Mackenzie ends. He came out with an important study That was I think. Made a nice splash. The other day Lawrence think of blackrock. Of course it's made to splashes in the last twenty days but to your point can't be executed on and that's a great debate. I'd say the senator tendency here is private. Enterprise is doing the best yes they can and the question is how do they engage government. Who else is there at Davos? This year what I noticed this year is far less celebrities. Yes there's fewer academics talking to Ken Rogoff of Harvard University today about this and there was a real shift six seven years ago towards less academics. That makes less experts and much more of a corporatists. Feel I can tell you down the prominent the main avenue here in Davos. It's ever more corporate corporatists year there front and center. So what do they think about. What's going on in the global economy right now? President trump obviously likes to tout the US US economy The stock market low on employment here in the US. But what do people feeling about how the global economy is doing right now. It's an interesting picture picture and that it's not on the radar. The markets are not in the radar. Of course the great bull market. And we've seen that in the last couple of weeks but the economy is is a feel good economy for these elites in as you. Well Know Jeremy There's a whole `nother part of the developed world that saying well we're not participating one one of the big splashes in the last twenty four hours has been Richard Eshelman's Ataman Trust Barometer. Which is completely devoted to your question? Tim which is capitalism is advantage will leads but so many of the people they pulled. Don't feel like they're part of that economy. Are they expecting recession or people that you're talking to expecting that they'll need a downturn. No I don't think so. In fact we were on set today. John John Golub at Credit Suisse. Uh Racist Price target on the S. and P. Five hundred. You don't do that if you're expecting a recession and putting on the spot but what's the most interesting thing you've heard this year from somebody. Somebody talked to well. That's a loaded question. The most interesting thing I've seen Donaldson we're only in the first day has been how serious climate changes become this year. I can't convey enough the difference whether it's the Australian fires. The heat wave in Europe last summer. However you WANNA put it has been the big shock? The real shock of Dabo's is berry the piano player at the acclaimed. Piano Bar moved his venue. So that's been the real news. Is the guy at the piano. Tom Kean. Who is the host of Bloomberg surveillance joining us from Davos Switzerland? Tom Thanks as always awesome. Grigsby within production of N._P._R.. And W association with the B._B._C.. World Service. I'm Jeremy Hobson Robin Young. It's here now.
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"Yeah. From New York. This is democracy. Now. Yes. Speaker Pelosi will you agree to my walls and said, no, and he just got up and said, then we have nothing to discuss. And he just walked down. Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way. And he just walked out of the meeting that partial government shutdown enters its twentieth day one day after President Trump storms out of a meeting with democratic leaders. The impact of the shutdown is growing as the FDA hall. True, teen food monitoring, the scales back its monitoring toxic sites, and the TSA faces a possible crisis as a wave of unpaid airport, screeners quit and volunteers are now helping national parks. This trash continues to pile up. We'll get the latest then to the case of sin Toya Brown. The sex trafficking survivor has been granted clemency by the Tennessee. Governor after serving fifteen years in prison for shooting her rapist when she was sixteen years old. What did but they get in chance to do so much more. I've been able to help people which is amazing. Young young kids. Listen, I'm still gonna try to help you finally a group of patients are challenging the Trump administration's plan to deport over fifty thousand patients living in the US who were given temporary protected status after an earthquake devastated Haiti nine years ago this week all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I'm Amy Goodman with the partial government shutdown now in its twentieth day. President Trump reportedly stormed out of a meeting with house speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer Wednesday after they refused to back a deal to fund a wall on the southern border in a tweet Trump called the meeting total waste of time. Adding, quote, I asked what's going to happen in thirty days. If I quickly opened things up or you're going to prove border security, which includes a wall or steel barrier. Nancy said, no I said bye bye nothing else. Works Senator Schumer accused the president throwing a temper tantrum. Speaker Pelosi will you agree to my walls? She said, no. And he just got up and said, then we have nothing to discuss. And he just walked down. Again, we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way. And he just walked out of the meeting. This comes as unions representing workers at the federal government will rally at noon today in Washington DC to demand end to the partial shutdown, which has left three hundred eighty thousand workers furloughed, which means they will never be paid and another four hundred twenty thousand forced to work without a paycheck at the White House reporter asked President Trump about the impacts of the shutdown because people have to go without their paychecks. There'd be some are being forced to work without pay. Some have been furloughed. These are they are green money. They're all gonna get the money. And I think they're going to be happy the partial shutdown increasingly threatening safety nets for the poorest Americans while allowing corporations to go unregulated, Robert Weisman price. Of the watchdog group Public Citizen wrote corporate lawbreakers, you're going unpunished safety inspections or being postponed. Discrimination charges are going on investigated. Polluters are not being held in check financial fraudsters are not being policed consumer complaints or not being received an accident investigations have ceased after headlines will go to Washington DC to speak with Robert Weisman. President Trump and his White House counsel plan to visit mcallen Texas today amid speculation he made clear a national emergency and try to use Pentagon funds to pay for part of an expanded border wall. Meanwhile, the president's oldest son Donald Trump junior shared a post on Instagram comparing immigrants to animals Trump junior wrote, quote, do you know, why you can enjoy a day at the zoo because walls work unquote, Donald Trump junior's post echoes President Trump's past comment calling immigrant gang members. Animals and not people. President Trump's nominated former co lobbyist Andrew Wheeler. As Environmental Protection Agency administrator Wheeler is a former co lobbyists and has been the acting head of the Scott Pruitt resigned in July. Amidst to non-slaughter financial ethics scandals Wheeler has regularly engaged with right wing conspiracy. Accounts on social media and liked racist posts, featuring the Obamas in two thousand thirteen in the Democratic Republic of Congo. The opposition leader Felix a- Keti has been declared the provisional winner in December's presidential election. Congo's independent national election commission says just a Kennedy won a plurality of votes with almost thirty nine percent of the total. But election observers, including the influential churches, bishops conference, say another opposition leader Martin fi. You Lou won handily fi. You Lou has denounced the results as an election coup and promised to challenge. The result comes election that observers say was marred by irregularities with position groups alleging fraud. More than a million Congolese voters were unable to cast ballots violence from armed opposition groups as well. As an outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus a candidate groom by longtime thorough -tarian President Joseph Kabila came in third place. Kabila's promised to step down this month after eighteen years in power and more than two years since his presidential mandate expired. Secretary of state Mike Pompeo has arrived in Cairo Egypt where he discussed security and economic cooperation with Egypt's are tearing president dilford El Sisi Pompeo is set to deliver a foreign policy speech today at the American University in Cairo. His visit comes on the heels of a surprise trip to Iraq Wednesday where he discussed President Trump's plans to withdraw US troops from Syria. Secretary Pompeo's trip to Egypt comes on the hundredth day of Saudi dissident Jamaica show, she's death after he entered the Saudi consulate in this dumble Turkey, October second and never reemerged palm peyot. And the Trump administration have defended Saudi Crown prince Mohammad bin someone even though congress voted unanimously to find him responsible for choke. She's murder in another recent development. Turkish officials have released footage purporting to show members of Saudi hit squad carrying kashogi. She's body parts out of the Turkish consulate in. In large black that s- in the Mediterranean. The government of Malta has allowed nearly fifty asylum-seekers who'd been stranded at sea for weeks to come ashore onto rescue vessels, the decision ended in nineteen day standoff that saw other European Union members to ni- port of entry to the migrants and move. That's been blasted by human rights groups this shameful aboard. The C watched three vessel run by German humanitarian group, there were cheers Wednesday as news of an agreement to process the asylum seekers spread. An increasing number of asylum seekers are dying see Italy's right-wing government move last year to deny migrant rescue ships entry at a talion ports in Lebanon blanket of snow has fallen on makeshift camps for Syrian refugees. Compounding, the misery of thousands of people whose tense flooded with rainwater during intense winter storms over the weekend. The UN says flooding effected over ten thousand refugees across Lebanon with a further seventy thousand Syrians at risk. The storms claimed the life of an eight year old Syrian girl who fell into a river and drowned. Amidst heavy wind and rain CNN reports police have issued an arrest warrant for James Mason. The former manager for popstar R Kelly Mason's accused of threatening to kill the father of Joycelyn savage who alleges R Kelly is holding his daughter against her will in an abusive Colt. A police report of tain by CNN quotes, Mason, est, threatening savage and a text message that. Needs. I'm gonna do harm to you and your family when I see you. I'm going to get you. I'm going to f ING kill. You are Kelly has been accused of sexual assault predatory behavior and pedophilia for two decades. But has never been criminally convicted in Chicago, Cook County state's attorney Kim, FOX says offices investigating numerous complaints against R Kelly and is encouraged other victims to step forward. Meanwhile, pop star lady Gaga apologize Wednesday for collaborating with our Kellyanne a two thousand thirteen single do what you want with my body lady Gaga herself a survivor of sexual assault. She says she'll remove the single from streaming services like Spotify in Kentucky. State lawmakers have introduced a Bill that would affectively outlaw abortions even in cases of fetal abnormalities, rape, or incest. Abortions are already highly restricted in Kentucky, which is just one abortion provider for the entire state Bill similar to Kentucky. So. So called heartbeat. Bill have been struck down by federal courts in New York. Three climate activists who took direct action to halt construction of the aim frac gas pipeline have been found guilty of criminal trespass, Rebecca Berlin, David publ. Oh and genital and solace lock themselves inside a three and a half foot wide section of pipeline. In two thousand sixteen stopping construction for eighteen hours on Tuesday. Judge rejected a necessity defense mounted by the activists who argue their action was necessitated by the clear and present tanger- posed by climate change. But the judge did let the three walk free without any additional punishment. In Los Angeles. The union representing tens of thousands of public school. Teachers has delayed plans to begin a strike today. Even teachers remain far from a breakthrough in contract. Talks the union now says it's prepared to strike on Monday. Unless its demands are met the union negotiators want an immediate six and a half percent. Raise along with smaller. Class sizes more librarians fewer standardized tests and more teacher input and local school leadership councils and Louis garden Kosta the founder and president from thirty five years of the nationally known point they youth and community leadership program in Brooklyn, New York, long regarded as one of New York City's foremost human rights and Latino community activists died on Tuesday night following a long illness. He was seventy two years old, the former seminarian who had been active in the Catholic antiwar movement in Brooklyn garden Kosta joined the young lords party in one thousand nine hundred seventy and later founded that groups Massachusetts. It's chapter while he was still a student at Harvard Medical School in two thousand nine garden at cost a total democracy. Now about as participation in the young lords takeover of the first Spanish Methodist church, and he's tore and late nineteen sixty nine which the group used to house free breakfast and clothing programs health services daycare center, a liberation school and community dinners, the occupation ended in January nineteen seventy when police raided the church arresting one hundred five members of the young lords. Very much involved in Catholic social action, a former seminary for the Catholic priesthood a former monk. And so the question of liberal theology was very much part of my life. And my whole struggle was against the war in Vietnam. But at the same time as I said, they would maybe many missing issues that weren't connecting. I thought and then I heard that young people who were trying to feed the hungry clothe. The naked. Deal with the imprisoned who actually trying to perform the Christian mandate of what we call. The corporal works of mercy had been bloodied in his in church by police officers who had come in that have an unprecedented thing. It's chills up my spine in a church a sacred space. So I immediately the next Sunday went investigate and be part of it. Scarred cost to went onto pioneer successful nonviolent direct action campaigns against segregated public schools and against environmental racism in New York City in his later years together with his wife Francis. Lucerne a- garden Kosta created alternative public high school geared toward human rights, activism. The appointee academy for peace and Justice again, Louis garden, Kosta dead at the age of seventy two and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy. Now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I make Goodman, the partial government shutdown has entered its twentieth day on Saturday. It will become the longest shutdown in US. History of a deal is not reached on Wednesday. President Trump reportedly stormed out of a meeting with house speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer after they refused to back a deal to fund a wall on the southern border Schumer accused Trump of throwing temper trench from Trump described the meeting as a total waste of time. This comes as the impact of the shutdown. Is growing across the country. The shutdown has left three hundred eighty thousand workers furloughed, which means they will never be paid for that time lost and another four hundred twenty thousand force to work without pay the food and Drug administration has announced his suspended all routine food inspections at the Environmental Protection Agency. More than thirteen thousand employees have been furloughed forcing the agency to hold work on air quality monitoring enforcement of toxic polluters and cleanups. At Superfund sites. States are scrambling to administer snap food stamp benefits for three point four million Americans after more than four billion dollars in federal payments failed to materialize housing advocates feared the shutdown could lead to the victims of thousands of low income renters who live in government, subsidized apartments over Levin hundred contracts between the government and private landlords have already expired at the TSA. There are reports of a wave of resignations by airports. Screeners because they're not being paid the American federation of government employees sued the government last week over the situation. Heidrick Thomas, president of the unions TSA council said the shutdowns causing a quote massive security risk for American travelers as the TSA is unable to hire or train new workers during the shutdown. We're joined right now by rob Weisman, president of Public Citizen, the group just released a report, titled shutdown drags on agencies devoted to consumer and worker health and safety unfunded and de prioritized, Robert Weisman, welcome to democracy. Now. Can you start off by talking about what will happen to these workers were talking about eight hundred thousand workers for people to understand those that have been furloughed who are not been working for the last week's will never get paid. And those that are working like TSA agents if they have not quit supposedly will be paid. When the government shutdown ends but talk about the significance of this yesterday. The president said they're all happy. Of course, the president is delusional for the for the eight hundred thousand workers, you know, that's most people in America, including most of these workers live paycheck to paycheck. So they're missing paychecks. And they're just going to have to scramble and they're being put in an impossible situations, historically when these shutdowns of occurred when it settled the workers are paid both the ones who were forced to work where legally required to be their jobs, even though they're not being paid and the ones who've been furloughed or not working. There's another category of people who are comparably being affected who will not be paid ever, which is the huge number of government contractors as you've discussed in recent shows, the government contracts because privatize so much of its business to a huge number of agencies and workers those people aren't working now, and they will not be reimbursed. So people are scrambling, and it's huge here in the Washington DC area. But the federal government is spread across the country. It is happening in every state and every community across the country. So talk about what's at risk from agency to agency. Right. Well, there's a couple couple of ways to think about it. One is the things that they are not doing and the agencies are not doing a lot as you were describing earlier. So the EPA has cut back on routine inspections of of plans and toxic facilities the food and drug administration's not doing its regular inspections of of food packaging facilities. The pipeline safety agency has is scaling back. Its inspections the securities and Exchange Commission is more or less shut down. Which means it's not really able to investigate anything efforts at the federal communication commission or the Federal Trade Commission to monitor ongoing consumer fraud shutdown. So all this stuff is happening in the corporations who were normally being inspected or held into account at least a little bit by government enforcement. It's free rein for them right now. And there's really no avenue of redress for for consumers for these various media things that are happening. You know, maybe one of the most worrisome ones in addition to as at the Federal Aviation Administration where inspection of airplanes is routine inspection by the government has been suspended the company's still do their own inspection. But you know, I feel safer knowing that the government is independently doing the inspections, and that's not happening. That's one whole huge category. The other categories things that are still going on by these workers who these were forced to work, even though they're not being paid. That's a huge number of government functions. It's not possible for people who are not being paid to do their job. Well, it just has to be the case. If you're worried about paying your bills your credit card what you're going to do with your kids. You're upset you're not focused on the job. And you're not going to do as good a job. So the air traffic controllers are still at work, but they're not being paid. And you got to worry about how while they're able to do their job you've reported it also, you know, at the border the border agents are not being paid right now. So has to be that they're going to be worse at their job more brutal shorter temper and so on and as this drags on. It's going to get more and more severe. There are also a category of government activities that either have stopped or are going to stop in the future, including you talked about the provision of the deal making for contracts for low income people. We may see a total end to payments for food stamps at the end of the it sometime in in February funding for the federal courts, at least on the civil side funding for the federal courts is going to run out later this month and probably most civil suits in federal courts are going to be suspended. This stuff is going to really stack up as we move forward. FDA Lee all remember what happened on the round the holidays with Romain lettuce recall, which has just been announced be over. What would happen if something like that happened right now at the FDA, rob? Well, the things that are life threatening. Either were regard to food safety other things they say, look, we're we've got that covered. The problem is you don't know that something's life threatening until it emerges as of outbreak. So then they'll be staffed on and they'll find a way to deal with it on on a -mergency recall like that. But they won't do their forward-looking inspections that might have prevented it and the first place, but the exact same thing the highway the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration routine recalls and inspections aren't going on if there's something that's virgin and life threatening. Once they've discovered it to be so they have a capacity to act, but we're gonna gonna know about it until the above problem becomes a crisis. Something that would have been prevented if they were properly staffed, I wanna ask you about the Fox News how how Fox News is covering the shutdown, and this clip here, Steve Doocy, and FOX and friends, but first FOX contributor, Charlie hurt. You can shut down half. Of the government agencies, and literally it would be years if it were not for the media. It would be years before the regular person the normal average working American would even know that the department had been shut down in terms of how much it affects their lives a lot of people across the country. Don't even notice that part of the federal government is shut so sort of suggesting that the government workers are not normal Americans. But rob Weisman FOX using this as an argument to downsize government. Yeah. Absolutely. I think that there's sort of two strains that are coming together in this for sure on FOX. But also the administration one strain is the hardcore dialogues who actually want to shrink government. This is this is a business friend the argument, but its even beyond business because they're actually impacting things that business absolutely needs to go forward. So that's one strain. These hardcore people in the government would be chief-of-staff acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney. The other strain is people who are just stupid and ignorant who heard all this stuff. How the governor about how the government doesn't do anything actually have no idea what the government actually does. And we're just repeat dumb things because they've got no idea and are informed by this hardcore ideology, I think that the comment you just played is probably a mix of both those things I think President Trump himself and most of the White House fall and both these categories they actually don't know there've been a lot of reports that when they forced the shutdown. They didn't realize gosh, the government does a lot of stuff. There's going to be a lot of impacts about this. I think one thing that they picked up on was they didn't want pictures of the national parks being shutdown. So they've left the park's open on safely without staffing. But they. Mostly don't know what the government does the government there in charge of running. And we're gonna talk about the parks in a minute. But let me ask you about President Trump declaring a national emergency summer speculating that the fact that the White House counsel is with him as he goes down to the border to mcallen, Texas, suggests he might be talking about declaring this emergency, which he says he is an absolute right to do. What is the significance of this? And then possibly the Pentagon coming up with two and a half billion dollars extra to build the wall. What does it say about budget where an agency confined to and a half billion dollars extra? Well, you know, I we shouldn't ignore that. Last point. You may. I mean, there's so much money being wasted on military spending right now, huge amounts of just money inside the Pentagon sloshing around going to places where they can identify who's being paid. And what it's what it's for that its own legitimate national crisis that needs to be addressed. But to the bigger point about the emergency as a matter of law. It's going to be a complicated thing. The congress has given the president quite a bit of a thority to declare emergencies with terms that are almost unbounded and with powers that have few bounds. Congress has always expected in society is always expected that presidents wouldn't abuse that a thority recklessly declaring emergencies just because they want to we have a president now who has no such constraints. So if he does perceive, which I think is reasonably likely it's going to be a complicated matter of law, but beyond what the law is. Just think about the underlying principles the sort of real constitutional principles the democracy principles. It's a serious matter beyond just the outrage of funding stupid, needless and immoral wall or even part of one which is what he would propose to do. He wants funding for border wall. Congress saying no, the the move to call a national emergency is for the president to say, I will not be constrained by what congress says even though there's not really a national merge salads invoke. These powers. I can do something that otherwise be a legal simply by declaring a national emergency. Now that is if you follow the logic of that that leads to almost unbounded presidential power when you have an authoritarian like Donald Trump in office that is a frightening prospect. It does not have to end just at the reality of billions of dollars from the Pentagon. For whatever it was going to be spent on towards building, a useless and immoral while that of Florida could be invoked for all kinds of quite terrifying purposes. And it's it's something that goes actually way beyond significance of the wallet self and something that we should be very very concerned about if it happens is I think is reasonably likely, and of course, this would all go to court, but before we go there, I wanna go to what's happening in the national park since the shutdown began their around the country have seen overflowing toilets trash piling up park. Experts are warning that the damage may take years to undo on Tuesday afternoon, democratic representatives cheque's speier and Charrette Huffman, California delivered a blue bin full of garbage collected from national parks to the White House. They labeled the Ben Trump trash. This is congress member Huffman. I'm bringing boxes of trash from that rainy Saturday in San Francisco to provide a reality check to the president. So that he understands that his political stunt and shutting down the government over the border wall has real world consequences trash like this diaper burrito. Rappers cups or his building up parks. We represent a national parks all over the country. We're joined right now by Jonathan Asher government relations manager at the wilderness society. What's happening in the country's parks. Amy. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. The national parks are kind of one of the main ways that the public interacts with their government. It's from the parks to the national forests, and and, you know, local communities and right now, I think we're seeing a lot of resource damage a lot of unsafe conditions, and we're really hoping that the president will move to reopen. The government, you know, quickly and and get our parks back in safe condition and really protecting our resources. So there have been what seven deaths in the national park since the shutdown began this unusual. The parks are always a natural place. There can be risks. But, but you know, I think some of the some of the deaths are likely preventable. But it's hard to know without having the staff there to do the research without having the staff there to file reports. We'll probably learn more exactly about what happened in those instances later, but you know, regardless of actual deaths. I think we're seeing reports out of say Joshua tree national park where folks were making their own roads, cutting down the landmark Joshua trees that are kind of this staple of that park in Yosemite trash along the sides of the roads and people when you have no one to take entrance fees or guide people as they're coming in. You know, folks, well-meaning or or not or just kind of unknowing of how to interact in the parks tend to tend to go kind of run amok. And so I think were hoping that the shutdown in soon, and and that the resource can be protected because it's rough situation. Border wall, a border wall between US and Mexico mean for the fragile ecosystem there. Yeah. A lot of people don't understand that, you know, along our southern border are really wild places, really important. You know, ecosystems that have, you know, hundreds of endangered species thousands of very special types of of animals and wildlife, and you know, a border wall would mean a lack of the ability for these animals too. Move amongst the ecosystem and be able to have genetic diversity within their within their, gene pool. It would mean impacts to the inability for a lot of these animals to find water in kind of a, you know, a very dry environment. So what have really negative impacts on a lot of very important species from endangered pronghorns antelope to Jaguars that are making their way back after after some some challenges in in their their systems. So it's it would be very damaging to the the environment as well as you know. It just being kind of a waste of money. And finally the five point seven billion dollars. Trump is demanding for the border wall. What would it look like if that went to conservation efforts into wilderness to parks in this country, or even fraction of it? Absolutely. One of the great ironies, I think with all of this is that the Trump administration has taken it upon themselves to promote the park maintenance backlog, as one of the one of the conservation ish ideas that they could get behind, and you know, our parks have been loved to death for so long that they they face about a twelve billion dollar backlog in in maintenance fees and maintenance projects that congress hasn't and the administration hasn't funded for for quite a long time. And so five billion dollars would go a long way towards fixing the digging out of the hole that. We're already in with taking care of our national parks. Not to mention the fact that all of this damage being done to our parks and public lands generally national forest. Beal lands at cetera. That's gonna take us a while to to from a budgetary perspective. And so I think for those folks who do care about how government resources are are used. You know, this is not only bad policy, but it's it's a waste of money. President Trump just once again threatened to cut off federal funds to fight California wildfire saying the money's being wasted. Your response yet. Complete ignorance with how force policy works with how forced ecosystems work, you know. You know, the reality is with this shutdown one of the primary times for our forest service and firefighters in and the associated companies that that you know, that work with them right now is the time that they plan for the upcoming fire season. It's when they do their training when they write contracts for for equipment for for for fighting forest. Fires and they're not able to do that. There are examples in California specifically where projects are being put on hold mitigation projects that would help alleviate concerns for the upcoming fire season. In a lot of these entities already are dealing with longer. Firefighting seasons and shorter periods of time to plan. So this is eating into on already very small window that they have to prepare for an upcoming likely, you know, rough fire season again as we've seen increasingly bad over the years with. Climate change Jonathan Asher. Thank you for being with us government relations manager with the wilderness society and Robert Weisman, president of Public Citizen will link to your report at Public Citizen is shutdown drags on agencies devoted to consumer and work our health and safety unfunded and deep prioritized when we come back young woman raped at sixteen who killed her rapist is going to be freed from prison by the Tennessee governor stay with us. You. 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Now, I made me Goodman, as we turn to the story of sin Toya Brown who on Monday was granted full clemency by Republican Tennessee governor Bill Haslam after serving fifteen years in person, the decision follows months of intense public pressure and outrage over her case Brown was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted of first degree murder for shooting her rapist as a teenager. She had been sexually trafficked repeatedly abused drugged the shooting happened when Brown was just sixteen years old. But she was tried nece. Don't this isn't Toya Brown. Speaking at our clemency hearing in may. It's been a very long time. And. When I was sixteen. I didn't. In have carried that with me this whole time. Always hear people say like if I could go back and change things. But when you really realize that you've done something can't undo. Like, it states, and it stayed with me that's whole, Tom. People here today that like are there hurting now fourteen years later, they've been hurting for fourteen years, and I did that. And. Can't picks. It. I can't fix like had to change because I could not live with myself being the site in person that did that I can do that. I face that. I can't make what did that they've chance to so much more. You know, I've been able to help people amazing young people young kids. Listen in. I'm still going to try to help people still him because it's something that people need to understand that something people need to know. There's so many things that I've actually now that I didn't know, and there's so many young people that still don't know. And I called to share that. And. Whatever you decide Everson did. But I do private you show me Marsin that you get music contains that is my prayer, and I can assure each and everyone view that if you do like a walk disappoint you. I'm not gonna let you down sinto Brown. Her attorney Houston, Gordon addressed reporters shortly after Brown was granted clemency Monday. Her story is a story that should be a catalyst for a lot of others. Thousands of other juvenile's we need to see this as an national waken to change the county and laws that allow juvenile's children to be placed in adult prison over the years in Toyo Brown's case to widespread attention on social media under the hash tag free, send Toyo Brown popstar riana wrote something horror. Ably wrong when the system enables these rapists, and the victim is thrown away for life. PBS independent lens featured Brown story and its series sentencing. Children. This is a clip of then sixteen year old son Toyo Brown being interrogated by assistant district attorney Jeff Burks during juvenile court hearing. If you try to leave arm. And you, but you believe in that is based on the fact that he told you get some dons and he's a short. Not only that. But the way we'll only that. We know is that the food took you home you used as bathroom those notable doing that you ate with it you that you settled couch. One teeny would do that you got a bed and at least one time to sleep while he was. He just Grammy. Like and to Molly. He just grabbed there were you just gave me this look like a fierce, look, and I just sent these chills mice fine. I'm thinking me or do something like it. But then he rose over and reaches like, he's reaching to side of the bed or something. So I'm thinking he's not gonna hit me. He's been a gun and want to do that. I just grab begun in our shot that which Sinn Toya Brown at sixteen. She's now thirty years old set to be released an August for more. We're joined by Mariam Kaba, organize your educator who's worked on anti domestic violence programs as well as anti Carson racial Justice program since the late eighties. She's the co founder of survived in punished an organization that supports survivors of violence who've been criminalised for defending themselves aboard member of critical resistance Mariam Kaba. Welcome to buckle. She now. Thanks for having me talk about what has taken place in this case in the significance of the Republican governor of Tennessee granting her clemency. How did this happen while I think it's important to note that since has been surrounded by support team of people for at least the past decade in the beginning. She had a very kind of proactive lawyer who was very supportive of her and has become a lifelong friend and continues to support her her her subsequent lawyers where people also who really fought for her to to try to make sure that she wouldn't end up with a life sentence. She has had community members family people who've kept her story and her name alive for all of these years. So I think I want to you know, kind of make sure people understand that this didn't come out of nowhere. And that people have been fighting on her behalf for almost as long as she's been incarcerated. It was recently with in two thousand seventeen of last year you Mench. Riana and Kim Kardashian posting stuff on Instagram, which got more people to know her case in the modern era. Most people actually still thought she was sixteen and most people also thought hit just happened. Well, let's back for a moment. Yeah. What did happen happen to sin Toya, well, sin Toya in two thousand and four scenario was sixteen years old? She was picked up for sex by a forty three year old man named Johnny Allen who took her to his house and sin Toya says that when she got there first he was haggling her for money about the money. Secondly, he showed her a bunch of guns that he had in his possession Thirdly as you heard in the tape before she was worried because he was acting what she felt was strange and when he leaned over on his bed. She he she he had showed her some guns under his bed. She thought that he was going for a gun and yet he was going to harm her. She had a gun that had been given to her by her pimp a guy named cutthroat. Who she'd been living without a motel from the time. She was about fifteen years old because she'd run away from home at that point. And she used the gun that had been given to her for protection to shoot this, man. And he ended up dying. Let me go to a clip another clip from the film me facing. Life's in Toy Story, which aired on PBS independent lens in this clips and Toya's questioned about her trafficker. Guy. What's his room? So how long were you live in? Thanks. So what was the only? I. These. He was a joke. What else did he do? Boom. Have you ever have sex with the guys? Did he that he have sex with you too? Communicate with him. I'm not having money. He wasn't rights. Only kim. He does. Tones. That's annoying and me facing life's and Toya story which aired on PBS independent lens take it from there. So she ends up going to trial two years after her arrest in two thousand and four and they decide that they're going to try her. She was juvenile at the time that this happened and that they would try her as an adult. I think some things that people probably know intuitively is that black children. Don't get to be children. There's a kind of adult affiliation of children, particularly black children and children of color. So sin Toya at sixteen wasn't seen as a young person. She was seen as an adult already, basically. And they put her on trial as an adult. She ended up getting convicted. And she ended up getting convicted her sentence was life in prison. So you could imagine the shock to the system of somebody who has basically been sexually course, turn tire life who had a run away. So she was already precarious defended herself against somebody. Who basically if nothing else was doing Salvatori rate. He was forty three. She was sixteen years old, and she ends up and in situation where she has got to figure out and she's going to, you know, take potentially put herself at risk of dying or. If she's going to take action she chooses to take action she's punished for it. So she she's punished basically for survival. Yeah. Do you think our case would have ended up differently? If she was white and her us was block. I mean, it's hard to know about these things I will say this black people in this country. Have traditionally historically been punished for any perceived transcript transgression, and so and punish more excessively than white people. But if you wanna make a point that I think is important, which is that we have a mass incarceration problem in this country that whole that basically also sweeps in a bunch of poor white people. So, you know, while while black people are disproportionately targeted by the system. White people are pulled into the system as well. So what we have is a mass criminalization mass incarceration problem. I think we're going to have to do some work to dismantle they'll so sin. Toya Brown was sentenced to life in prison. He was she has served what she will serve fifteen years for her relief in Hong, that's right ex-. And you've talked about the support. She's head the all the time. She's been in prison. But what force the Republican Tennessee governor has lem to grant clemency. And were you surprised when he did? I wasn't surprised that he no because I'm an organizer when people mobilize in put pressure on targets we can win. And I think what happened was that the supreme court in Tennessee in early December came back of helds decision to say that. In fact, he wasn't going to ever be able to be paroled before serving fifty one years in prison. So that she would have gotten out of prison had a chance to get out of prison and going front of parole board at the age of sixty seven and that particular supreme court's decision in Tennessee is what galvanize this latest version of a mobilization on her behalf. So people were like, wait a minute. First of all, this is unjust that she spent one day in prison. Secondly, they're going to have her spend fifty one years in prison before she even gets a chance for. Second chance this is unacceptable. And at that point, a group of different groups all around the country came together with a targeted effort to go. After that that included groups like Nashville color of change, the Highlander center that some of those three two of those three are based in Tennessee. So it made sense that they would kind of push. I want to bring up the fact that, you know, a lot of people on social media got involved and started making phone calls at one point. My understanding was that the governor's office was getting six thousand calls in a day. That's, you know, unprecedented. Unheard of they have to like switch over their lines to another line hold together in order to keep up with amount of people that were pushing for her to get out. So. Reaction. Well, my understanding was that she put out a statement at the end of that she was really thankful for people's support. I think she's I'm sure she's absolutely thrilled to be able to be released from prison you've called her act radical act of self love explained. Well, I think that in this culture where black lives are incredibly devalued where we are in a position of always having to defend our very existence that to insist that you deserve to live by any means necessary is inactive radical self love absolately believe that that's the case. I do want to say something though that I think is very important right now for people who are really in the moment very excited about this. It is very good that she's out of prison. I think people should know that she's being released into supervise parole, which she's going to be on for ten years. That's a decade, which means she's going to have spent twenty five years of her very. A young life in under state supervision for those people who don't know parole is extremely extremely restrictive. They're gonna give a whole set of conditions, which mostly be arbitrary. If she violates any of those conditions. They could violate her right back to prison. She's going to be spending ten years, basically on pins and needles making sure that nothing goes wrong missing missing any sort of parole. You know, meetings ending up going somewhere that she wasn't supposed to go by accident those things violate you. And so she's going to have to be very careful for the next ten years that she doesn't get violated back. So she's not one hundred percent free. And I think that's something people should pay attention to you. You have traced the treatment of black woman who dared to fend themselves back to slavery. Right. Yeah. Up least. Yeah. I mean in this country coming to this country as chattel so property not person we as black women. In particular were continuously subjected to sexual violence with no recourse, absolute impunity. I wrote a piece for the guardian last week that talked about the story of enslave young woman named Celia who fought back against her master who was also her rapist killing him, and she went to trial. She had very vigorous defences eighteen fifty five in Missouri, and the court found that she was property not person therefore could not be raped, and they ended up executing her in in December of eighteen eighteen fifty five, and I think a lot about that. Because it it shows something about black women having no selves worth defending having no selves worth being seen as valuable enough that you can have bodily autonomy really important how many sin Toyota Browns are invalid soms Dr thousands of sin Toyo Browns in prison. I think I wanna also make the point that overwhelmingly. Especially when you look at women's prisons, the overwhelming majority up to ninety percent of the people in there have had histories of sexual and physical violence prior to ending up in prison. What there's a wonderful activists, formerly incarcerated survivor herself named Susan Burton who talks about the fact that what we do is incarcerate trauma when we incarcerate women, and when we incarcerate gender, non conforming people. So there are thousands of civilians, and I think we should really pay attention to the fact that we should be fighting for all of those to be free. And that this example of a governor doing commutations shows how much power the executive has to actually free people, and we are in a state in New York where we have a governor who's probably one of the most merciless governors. We have who almost never commutes anybody sentence, and we have close to fifty thousand people locked up in our state here in New York, supposedly progressive haven, right? And he has commuted nineteen sentences in eight years. Nineteenth. And one of those was a domestic violence criminalized survivor. That's unacceptable. So if people have energy as a result of sin Toya's case, I'm excited about that. But I want people to channel that energy into fighting in your own state and figuring out how we're gonna free all criminalized survivors of Cobb. I want to thank you so much for being with us organizer educator who's worked anti-domestic violence programs as well as anti incarceration, racial Justice program. She's the co founder of survived and punished the ses democracy now when we come back could fifty thousand Haitians who fled the earthquake nine years ago this week be about to be deported. Stay with us. Channel. Them. That's that's shit. So the. And it's. Hey. Dad? That's got Izzo. It's got his. This yet snow? The league wins being empty. Three. Bliss. It's. That's is. So. Not so. God bless the child Billie holiday, and Tony Scott miss orchestra. This is democracy. Now, we end today show with a New York City trial currently underway challenging the Trump administration's attempt to end temporary protected status known as TPS for more than fifty thousand Haitians living in the US. Tens of thousands of patients were granted TPS after an earthquake devastated Haiti nine years ago this week in November two thousand seventeen the Trump administration announced it would revoke TPS for Haitian sparking protests multiple lawsuits around the country. The trial's expected to go into closing arguments today for more we're joined by Marlene bus skin, executive director of the family action network movement or fun one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. She testified Wednesday as a witness in the trial. Welcome back to demolish. Now. It's great to have you live in studio here in New York. You're usually in Miami where we talked to you. What's happening right now or fifty thousand Haitians threatened with deportation. The. And that is why we are in court this week to show and demonstrate that the Trump's administration decision to terminate TBS was based on animus and not on conditions in country conditions in Haiti and that when you say, animus humane, hate racism and xenophobia toward immediate of color Brown and Brown reckon Brown immigrants and also the immigrants from Central America and Africa last year. President Trump reportedly told lawmakers that hey deal Salvador and unspecified African nations where s whole countries, but he used the word and in two thousand seventeen he said that recent immigrants from heyday, quote all have aids he did say that he did say that. And that is why we we we are in court to the judge to restore. Wool of law. And so that these fifty thousand Haitians I'm Elise hu deeply rooted in communities. They have twenty seven thousand years children among among them. They are teachers doctors or nurses. They are all or church friends that they are able to stay what do you say to people who say TPS is temporary protective status temporary Maine's temporary talk about what they would face if they were deported to hate employments emperor in as much as the conditions improved. TPS has been terminated before. If the conditions the incomplete conditions warrant, munition it. It's been done before the right now, we know hate it, you still reeling under the worst crisis natural crisis in modern history. An earthquake that killed people even the US, which is the worst powerful nation in the world. It takes years full, Katrina, for example, to recover fee. See my still in interview. Eating and helping families in in in Orleans. So when we talk about Haiti is smallish in and we're talking about such the breath of the destruction. We know that it's still recovering. We'll have the corner outbreak on the a few months after the the. Unit or two dozen sixteenth. You have Ricken Matthew, which cuisine destroyed him dire. South bend Sula, which is considered the breast by scuttle Haiti that's where most of the crops grown. So we also we've also witnessed in the past few weeks, the the instability political instability worsening everyday, including a reset massacre that is still being investigated right now. And then during the hurricane nine years ago three hundred thousand people estimated died and heyday indeed. So what are you calling for right? We all calling for a reinstatement of temporary protected status. Because when we got the the the the earthquake when we look at a cholera outbreak. When we look at hurricane Matthew each could qualify hates for a redesigned vision of tippy s today Haiti qualifies today, so we're going to remove people will gainfully employed. What? Employers important people while homeowners what parents will go to sip Redan from their from their children. So we ask him for reinstatement, and we also asking congress to find a permanent solution. So that this hard working individuals while contributing so much being taxes investing to put that they won't even be able to to use if they're becoming capacity. I know people if we realize that are working Bank axes. Yes, they're not qualified for any benefits any resources, even though they become incapacitated. So we will certainly continue to cover the story Marlene bounced Yan executive director fan the family action network movement. And that does it for our broadcast action produced by Mike birthday. And the governor me shake Carla wills are now sent out John Karen, many mistakes.